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| msb_ | http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/32876-leaked-tpp-intellectual-property-chapter-spells-doom-for-free-speech-online | Oct 11 02:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readersupportednews.org | Leaked TPP Intellectual Property Chapter Spells Doom for Free Speech Online [ http://ur1.ca/nze9w ] | Oct 11 02:00 | |
| msb_ | By Cory Doctorow, | Oct 11 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/lmbrownlee1/status/653132197071683584 | Oct 11 04:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lmbrownlee1: Yeah. This is going to be real popular. Software patents. Like patent reform - just keeps boomeranging back. https://t.co/JEJK5eYzeE | Oct 11 04:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: European Pirate Party MEP Julia Reda Says #TPP Will Bring Software Patents to #Europe and Other Continents/Countries http://t.co/g2dVWNsxrR | Oct 11 04:58 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: thanks | Oct 11 04:58 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: A luta continua | Oct 11 05:03 |
| msb_ | They never stop. The Earth has been invaded by insectoid psychopath predators in human form. | Oct 11 05:05 |
| msb_ | We, the human race, are their prey. | Oct 11 05:06 |
| msb_ | God created Arrakis to train the faithful. | Oct 11 05:07 |
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| msb_ | This is our planet. It was nice here until about 5,000 years ago when they appeared. | Oct 11 05:09 |
| msb_ | We had Goddess religions -- Earth-centered religions -- that told us how to take care of our world. | Oct 11 05:10 |
| msb_ | The insectoids programmed people to destroy it. | Oct 11 05:11 |
| msb_ | To dominate. | Oct 11 05:11 |
| msb_ | But this is still our planet. We must awaken those of us who have been programmed. | Oct 11 05:12 |
| msb_ | We must take the power away from the psychopaths. We are many and they are few. | Oct 11 05:13 |
| msb_ | They use mind-control to dominate us. If we wake up, we can take our world back. | Oct 11 05:15 |
| msb_ | "Come all you working men, farmers and weavers too. If you would only stand as one, this world belongs to you." Ballad of the Carpenter -- Phil Ochs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TvfBxIkupA | Oct 11 05:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Phil Ochs - Ballad Of The Carpenter - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n1f7x ] | Oct 11 05:21 | |
| msb_ | "Two thousand years have passed and gone, many a hero too. But the dream of this poor carpenter remains in the hands of you." | Oct 11 05:24 |
| msb_ | The correct wording of the phrase is actually "A luta continua, vitória é certa" meaning, "The struggle continues, victory is certain". | Oct 11 05:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/653145382810222594 | Oct 11 05:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz #Apple Another #IT giant colluding w/#NSA | Oct 11 05:53 | |
| MinceR | "God" does not exist. | Oct 11 08:40 |
| MinceR | and religions only tell us lies. | Oct 11 08:41 |
| MinceR | we must use our reason, if we can and are willing to do so. | Oct 11 08:41 |
| MinceR | i wonder if openbsd has better task/io scheduling than linux | Oct 11 09:06 |
| MinceR | http://8ch.net/tech/src/1444325882472-0.jpg http://8ch.net/tech/src/1444325882473-2.jpg | Oct 11 09:58 |
| schestowitz | > http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/ | Oct 11 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzhna ] | Oct 11 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 10:03 |
| schestowitz | > systemd is not "here to stay" it is merely very pernicious and spreading | Oct 11 10:03 |
| schestowitz | > at the moment. | Oct 11 10:03 |
| schestowitz | It'll take a lot to stop Red Hat's grand plan though. | Oct 11 10:03 |
| schestowitz | > " Not one person (including my offender manager) thought the punishment | Oct 11 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > fit the crime," | Oct 11 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-isnt-worth-the-risk-of-prison-freed-cammer-says-150927/ | Oct 11 10:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com | Piracy Isn't Worth The Risk of Prison, Freed Cammer Says - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/nzho0 ] | Oct 11 10:06 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > an effect of privatization of prisons | Oct 11 10:06 |
| schestowitz | https://github.com/wimpunk/ddclient | Oct 11 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | wimpunk/ddclient · GitHub | Oct 11 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | - | Oct 11 10:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.noip.com/ | Oct 11 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.noip.com | Free Dynamic DNS - Managed DNS - Managed Email - Domain Registration - No-IP | Oct 11 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | - | Oct 11 10:53 |
| schestowitz | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS#Registering_with_a_Dynamic_DNS_provider | Oct 11 10:54 |
| schestowitz | You can then point your own CNAME at their A record | Oct 11 10:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-help.ubuntu.com | DynamicDNS - Community Help Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/nzhye ] | Oct 11 10:54 | |
| schestowitz | > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/theres-nothing-mindblowing-about-windows-releasing-a-linux-os | Oct 11 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com | There's Nothing Mindblowing About Windows Releasing Its Own Linux OS | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/nzhyq ] | Oct 11 10:55 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > opening pp is wrong. no, only < 90% of all desktops and definitely | Oct 11 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > barely present in embedded systems and consoles. | Oct 11 10:55 |
| schestowitz | I noticed that very same line 2 weeks ago and pointed that out in Twitter. I didn't miss this lie either. I wonder if the author noticed his critics... | Oct 11 10:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/653224382676996096 | Oct 11 11:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Most of them actually are, being foreign-funded. | Oct 11 11:07 | |
| schestowitz | Some, not all, and it's being used by extension to crush dissent | Oct 11 11:08 |
| schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/snowden-treaty-proposed-to-curtail-mass-surveillance-and-protect-whistleblowers/ | Oct 11 11:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | “Snowden Treaty” proposed to curtail mass surveillance and protect whistleblowers | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nuuqv ] | Oct 11 11:16 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | > can't recall if I sent this via .co.uk | Oct 11 11:16 |
| schestowitz | maybe, I'm going backwards in time now, so I don't know... yet. :-) | Oct 11 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | >>> >> http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/ | Oct 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Oct 11 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzhna ] | Oct 11 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> systemd is not "here to stay" it is merely very pernicious and spreading | Oct 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> at the moment. | Oct 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | >> > It'll take a lot to stop Red Hat's grand plan though. | Oct 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | > They probably saw the Halloween Documents and realized to try the same | Oct 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | > as M$, to decommoditize Linux. | Oct 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Will help sell RHEL support contracts, that's for sure... | Oct 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JamieXML/status/653241663997935616 | Oct 11 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JamieXML: "When fighting monsters … do not become a monster." Open hackathons versus hypercommercialized resume mills? https://t.co/ATdNoAdOx6 | Oct 11 12:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Selling Out and the Death of Hacker Culture https://t.co/1WdP9DsHGo "We’ve sold each other for profit and lost what makes us happy." | Oct 11 12:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6691730 | Oct 11 12:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: " If you head to WPS.com, you find only Android, iOS and Linux versions of the suite." http://www.cnet.com/news/whats-the-best-free-alternative-to-microsoft-office/ no #microsoft #windows | Oct 11 12:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnet.com | What's the best free alternative to Microsoft Office? - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/nzih8 ] | Oct 11 12:39 | |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: Regarding systemd "here to stay", the author Christine Hall is not a software engineer, and knows nothing of good engineering principles. This according to her autobio in one of her sites. She's a literary writer. | Oct 11 16:29 |
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| msb_ | MinceR: "<MinceR> and religions only tell us lies". You really should do some research before spouting such huge generalizations (Karl Marx didn't invent capitalism, either). What I wrote about were "Goddess religions -- Earth-centered religions -- that told us how to take care of our world". These gave people instructions for planting, weeding, harvesting, raising animals, etc., told as _stories_ by and about beings. This format | Oct 11 16:37 |
| msb_ | made the information much more interesting and memorable to people than a bare list of instructions, because it appealed to their associative/metaphorical minds, not just their linear/literal minds. Read up on Wicca. | Oct 11 16:37 |
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| MinceR | yes, let's confuse agriculture with religion | Oct 11 17:19 |
| MinceR | confusion works in putin's favor, after all | Oct 11 17:19 |
| msb_ | I wrote a lengthy comment about systemd: http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671 | Oct 11 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671 ) | Oct 11 17:21 | |
| MinceR | and even if you get the procedure right by rote, embedding it in religion makes it static and impossible to improve | Oct 11 17:26 |
| MinceR | thus you get rules that forbid eating pork, shellfish, etc. | Oct 11 17:26 |
| msb_ | MinceR: No, you are confusing JCI religion with Wicca/Witchcraft/Goddess religion, which you probably have never researched. Goddess religions are joyful and flexible. And BTW, if you put some milk and cookies under your bed for Putin, who lives there, he'll be happy and will stop plotting against you. | Oct 11 17:32 |
| MinceR | no, i'm talking about the fundamental principles of religion | Oct 11 17:34 |
| MinceR | the idea of possessing a "Truth" that is inaccessible to reason, unprovable and delivered via revelation | Oct 11 17:34 |
| MinceR | typically marking the ones possessing it as the Chosen People and everyone else as evil and/or expendable | Oct 11 17:34 |
| MinceR | and since it's inaccessible to reason and unprovable, it's also typically static | Oct 11 17:35 |
| MinceR | and the only thing that will stop putin plotting against me is his death | Oct 11 17:35 |
| MinceR | and by the way, putin is plotting against you as well, even if you refuse to realize it | Oct 11 17:35 |
| msb_ | So put poison in his milk and cookies. | Oct 11 17:36 |
| MinceR | i don't have access to his food or drink. | Oct 11 17:36 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You are talking about the fundamental principles of Judeo/Christian/Islamic religion. Goddess religions are very different. Read about them. | Oct 11 17:45 |
| MinceR | are goddess religions devoid of dogma and magical thinking, then? | Oct 11 17:52 |
| MinceR | do they apply the scientific method? | Oct 11 17:52 |
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| msb_ | Goddess religions use metaphor, song, and dance, and are not absolutist. Note that _you_ don't use the scientific method, whose first principle is to gather information. You refuse to do that. | Oct 11 18:02 |
| MinceR | no, the first principle of the scientific method is _not_ "gobble up all the bullshit from putin's propaganda machine" | Oct 11 18:02 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Do you think that Putin invented Goddess religions, as you think that Karl Marx invented capitalism? | Oct 11 18:05 |
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| cubexyz | AMI is under Microsoft's thumb | Oct 11 19:20 |
| cubexyz | it's an inescapeable conclusion | Oct 11 19:20 |
| cubexyz | everything they do uses Microsoft tech | Oct 11 19:23 |
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| cubexyz | motherboard ID utility? Naturally it only works with windows | Oct 11 19:23 |
| cubexyz | BIOS update? same | Oct 11 19:24 |
| cubexyz | building the BIOS image? MASM | Oct 11 19:24 |
| cubexyz | oh well, screw AMI | Oct 11 19:29 |
| cubexyz | I can't over-emphasize how bad this situation is | Oct 11 19:30 |
| cubexyz | one might think, ok things aren't that bad but... | Oct 11 19:32 |
| cubexyz | I can just turn off secure boot or whatever | Oct 11 19:32 |
| cubexyz | but that is just the tip of the iceberg | Oct 11 19:32 |
| cubexyz | Tyan offers coreboot with there Opteron Line (I think you have to ask for it though) | Oct 11 19:35 |
| cubexyz | s/there/their/ | Oct 11 19:35 |
| cubexyz | so Tyan, MSI, and Gigabyte are one's best bet for coreboot | Oct 11 19:36 |
| cubexyz | I guess I'll contact Gigabyte and see what's up | Oct 11 19:39 |
| cubexyz | are they actually shipping coreboot on some motherboards, that is the question | Oct 11 19:39 |
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| cubexyz | we need to guard ourselves against the proprietary firmware companies | Oct 11 21:21 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: You seem to be using a "contamination" paradigm here, i.e., because AMI uses MS tools, their product is "under Microsoft's thumb" and therefore as evil as Microshit. | Oct 11 21:25 |
| cubexyz | it's worse than merely used Microsoft tools | Oct 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6680679 | Oct 11 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Software that is called "app" is almost always proprietary and connected to GPS, gyro etc. and can therefore never be trusted. Trendy? Yes. | Oct 11 21:26 | |
| schestowitz | "Yes, F-droid alerts you to antifeatures https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/Antifeatures" | Oct 11 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-f-droid.org | Antifeatures - F-Droid [ http://ur1.ca/nzkma ] | Oct 11 21:26 | |
| cubexyz | it's using M$ tools to generate a proprietary blackbox product | Oct 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Nice | Oct 11 21:26 |
| cubexyz | I'm just pointing out that AMI is heavily dependent on Microsoft | Oct 11 21:26 |
| cubexyz | and of course it makes it harder to do basic stuff with AMI BIOS with a Linux computer | Oct 11 21:27 |
| cubexyz | like flashing your bios | Oct 11 21:27 |
| cubexyz | Hence AMI is bad, and better alternatives exist | Oct 11 21:27 |
| msb_ | I would like to present an alternative. When I first bought a mobo, and maybe before when I looked into the B | Oct 11 21:29 |
| msb_ | BIOS of my first PC. The BIOS mfr that I remember is AMI. They may have been the first and principal bios mfr. | Oct 11 21:30 |
| cubexyz | Gary Kildall invented the first BIOS | Oct 11 21:30 |
| msb_ | They started using MS tools because those were what was available for PCs. I did too. | Oct 11 21:30 |
| cubexyz | originally Intel wrote their own tools | Oct 11 21:31 |
| cubexyz | then shortly after that they started using MASM | Oct 11 21:32 |
| msb_ | But AMI was the popular BIOS mfr, not Kildall. | Oct 11 21:32 |
| cubexyz | there was a history of CP/M computers before then IBM PC existed | Oct 11 21:34 |
| msb_ | You say updating the bios requires a windows program. It's not true, at least with the asus 990fx mobo. A bios image can be loaded from a usb stick using only the bios, no OS at all. | Oct 11 21:34 |
| msb_ | The point is, the fact that AMI uses MS tools does not mean that their BIOS is "bad". | Oct 11 21:35 |
| cubexyz | I fail to see how it could be any worse | Oct 11 21:36 |
| msb_ | The 990FX mobo uses an ami bios, but it can be updated without using windows. | Oct 11 21:36 |
| cubexyz | that's about as bad as can be | Oct 11 21:36 |
| MinceR | i think we'll find out in a decade or a few decades how bad it can be | Oct 11 21:36 |
| MinceR | apparently everyone who has power wants that | Oct 11 21:37 |
| cubexyz | the original IBM PC BIOS was built with Intel ASM86 | Oct 11 21:37 |
| msb_ | Your use of "bad" and "worse" are contentless judgement terms. You're afraid of contamination. You have to specify precisely _what_ is bad and _why_ it is bad. | Oct 11 21:37 |
| cubexyz | I did specifiy _exactly_ what was bad | Oct 11 21:38 |
| msb_ | What? Everything from AMI? | Oct 11 21:38 |
| cubexyz | proprietary closed source BIOS which can't be reviewed or checked in any way other than reverse engineering | Oct 11 21:38 |
| cubexyz | if it wasn't for the leaks, I would have no clue at all about what AMI does | Oct 11 21:39 |
| msb_ | What I suspect you're going to come up with is a slow expensive mobo/cpu combination, that will be of no use to people who want to play games or watch videos. But you won't care because _you_ don't play games or watch videos. | Oct 11 21:40 |
| cubexyz | msb_ you are a real goof | Oct 11 21:40 |
| cubexyz | I worked for LGP | Oct 11 21:40 |
| cubexyz | do you know what that means? | Oct 11 21:41 |
| msb_ | No, I'm telling the truth. | Oct 11 21:41 |
| msb_ | No | Oct 11 21:41 |
| cubexyz | it means I worked for a video game publisher | Oct 11 21:41 |
| cubexyz | Linux Game Publishing | Oct 11 21:41 |
| msb_ | So what? If your solution is no good for playing games or watching compressed videos, it will not be accepted by the majority of people. If you don't care about that, then you should admit it. | Oct 11 21:42 |
| msb_ | Linux can already circumvent UEFI, and the 990FX mobo can even turn it off entirely. | Oct 11 21:43 |
| MinceR | can it circumvent Restricted Boot that presents no option for disabling and doesn't let you to change the keys? | Oct 11 21:44 |
| msb_ | So the problem that remains is AMT/DASH, and if that can be solved with a $50 to $100 SBC router with open-source code, then _that_ solution _will_ work for most people. | Oct 11 21:45 |
| msb_ | MinceR: There is some kind of shim loader that is signed with MS keys that enables all Linuxes to boot. | Oct 11 21:46 |
| MinceR | until m$ makes up a malware scare and revokes those keys. | Oct 11 21:46 |
| MinceR | s/those keys/the certificate that loader is signed with/ | Oct 11 21:47 |
| cubexyz | right, let's become more dependent on Microsoft :-P | Oct 11 21:47 |
| cubexyz | what a stupid idea | Oct 11 21:47 |
| MinceR | having m$ hold the only keys to one's "computer" is unacceptable | Oct 11 21:47 |
| cubexyz | it's very simple... | Oct 11 21:47 |
| msb_ | Can those keys be revoked? That would require the bios to call home to MS before accepting the keys.] | Oct 11 21:47 |
| cubexyz | if you don't have the source code you don't have control, simple as that | Oct 11 21:47 |
| MinceR | afaik it's designed so it can be revoked | Oct 11 21:47 |
| msb_ | MinceR: please give a reference. | Oct 11 21:48 |
| MinceR | but it may require booting some OS that's obedient to m$ to actually do the call home | Oct 11 21:48 |
| MinceR | another way would be exploiting a security hole in winblows to chain-load your own bootloader | Oct 11 21:48 |
| MinceR | but i don't want to have to jailbreak my computer | Oct 11 21:48 |
| msb_ | In that case, if the shim loader loads Linux, the MS key cannot be revoked. | Oct 11 21:48 |
| MinceR | until someone boots winblows on that system once | Oct 11 21:49 |
| MinceR | or until systemd does the call home, etc. | Oct 11 21:49 |
| MinceR | https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html-single/UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide/#sect-UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide-What_is_Secure_Boot-Risks-Unproven_Revocation | Oct 11 21:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html-single/UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide/#sect-UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide-What_is_Secure_Boot-Risks-Unproven_Revocation ) | Oct 11 21:49 | |
| msb_ | On the 990FX mobo all the keys can be removed in the process of turning off UEFI. | Oct 11 21:49 |
| MinceR | as usual, they aren't terribly forthcoming on the details | Oct 11 21:50 |
| MinceR | apparently what our computers are doing are the business of m$, crApple and redcrap | Oct 11 21:50 |
| cubexyz | there's redboot now | Oct 11 21:50 |
| cubexyz | Redhat made it | Oct 11 21:50 |
| MinceR | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12897.html | Oct 11 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | The security of Secure Boot | Oct 11 21:51 | |
| MinceR | find: "revocation" | Oct 11 21:51 |
| MinceR | "But eventually you'll be noticed, and then Microsoft produce a key revocation blob and vendors push it out via their OS update mechanisms." | Oct 11 21:51 |
| cubexyz | why put yourselves in a position where you'd be dependent on Microsoft's key? | Oct 11 21:52 |
| cubexyz | madness... | Oct 11 21:52 |
| MinceR | is it madness if most people are "mad"? | Oct 11 21:52 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RedBoot | Oct 11 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | RedBoot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 11 21:52 | |
| cubexyz | MinceR, yes | Oct 11 21:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 11 21:52 |
| cubexyz | the truth is the truth | Oct 11 21:52 |
| cubexyz | most people aren't 'mad', they just don't think about stuff like BIOS | Oct 11 21:53 |
| MinceR | it seems to me that most people happily cede control to companies like m$ and crApple | Oct 11 21:53 |
| MinceR | for example, see the popularity of crApple's backdoored mobile devices | Oct 11 21:54 |
| cubexyz | what they tell me is one of two things: | Oct 11 21:54 |
| MinceR | also, talk to such people | Oct 11 21:54 |
| MinceR | they'll tell you they don't mind | Oct 11 21:54 |
| cubexyz | I'm too old to learn $NEW_THING | Oct 11 21:54 |
| cubexyz | or | Oct 11 21:54 |
| cubexyz | It's too hard to learn, I can't understand it | Oct 11 21:54 |
| cubexyz | I made the same mistakes when I was younger | Oct 11 21:55 |
| cubexyz | it's taken me a long time to get to this point | Oct 11 21:55 |
| cubexyz | and they are right, it is hard to learn all the details about the BIOS | Oct 11 21:56 |
| cubexyz | but that's what I've decided to do | Oct 11 21:56 |
| cubexyz | like I said before, I'm seeing more customers use chromebooks, so there is some will to break away from the "mother-ship" of Microsoft | Oct 11 21:57 |
| amarsh04 | forgot to repost this here from the author of uselessd: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ | Oct 11 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ] | Oct 11 21:57 | |
| MinceR | if only to move to the "mother-ship" of google | Oct 11 21:57 |
| MinceR | as most of them will never use developer mode | Oct 11 21:57 |
| cubexyz | Mincer, if you have a superior suggestion, I'm all ears :) | Oct 11 21:58 |
| MinceR | but at least they could if they wanted to | Oct 11 21:58 |
| MinceR | i don't have any suggestion that can be practically implemented right now | Oct 11 21:58 |
| cubexyz | I can tell you I've talked to some Google and Coreboot people | Oct 11 21:58 |
| cubexyz | and they are much friendlier than Microsoft people by far | Oct 11 21:59 |
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| cubexyz | all AMI has to do to change my mind about them is simple: give me commented source code to one motherboard | Oct 11 21:59 |
| cubexyz | that's it... if they do that, I'll give them a thumbs up | Oct 11 22:00 |
| cubexyz | people do have a vague idea that the computer world is getting more closed | Oct 11 22:01 |
| cubexyz | look at PVRs, once they did not encrypt the video, now they almost always do | Oct 11 22:01 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, hopefully Novena will catch on and become cheaper | Oct 11 22:02 |
| MinceR | hopefully they're willing to manufacture the Senoko boards again | Oct 11 22:03 |
| MinceR | without those, it isn't even a laptop | Oct 11 22:03 |
| MinceR | at any rate, it's probably a PITA to acquire at all | Oct 11 22:04 |
| MinceR | well, at least some chromebooks are available for sale in hungary now | Oct 11 22:04 |
| MinceR | afaict a few months ago there were none | Oct 11 22:04 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: It's ridiculous to expect AMI to give you "commented source code to one motherboard". They would be killing their entire business -- their source of income. | Oct 11 22:06 |
| cubexyz | msb_, I told them any motherboard, no matter how old | Oct 11 22:06 |
| cubexyz | well, newer than IBM PC at least | Oct 11 22:07 |
| msb_ | What would a very old one accomplish? | Oct 11 22:07 |
| cubexyz | I have commented AMI BIOS source code anyways | Oct 11 22:07 |
| msb_ | Please share it. | Oct 11 22:07 |
| msb_ | Does it deal with UEFI/secure-boot or AMT/DASH? | Oct 11 22:08 |
| MinceR | well, redcrap has apparently developed a method to avoid leaking commented source code | Oct 11 22:08 |
| cubexyz | I have two: 1999 era, and 2011 era BIOS | Oct 11 22:08 |
| MinceR | they don't write comments in the first place | Oct 11 22:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ami-firmware.torrent | Oct 11 22:09 |
| cubexyz | that's the newer one | Oct 11 22:09 |
| msb_ | So far, what I've seen about MS revoking their keys involves MS putting out a BIOS update. | Oct 11 22:09 |
| MinceR | i don't think that's a full-blown BIOS update | Oct 11 22:10 |
| MinceR | but what if it is? | Oct 11 22:10 |
| MinceR | they're still going to install it automatically if you let their malware boot once | Oct 11 22:10 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/mystery-code-do-not-look.zip | Oct 11 22:10 |
| cubexyz | ok, that disappears in a hour :) | Oct 11 22:10 |
| cubexyz | you have your chance, make your time :) | Oct 11 22:10 |
| MinceR | mystery meat! | Oct 11 22:11 |
| MinceR | you have no chance to survive make your time. | Oct 11 22:11 |
| msb_ | To avoid that, one can refuse any BIOS update. But a safer approach is to save your working BIOS, and reflash with that if your bios gets updated against your wishes. | Oct 11 22:11 |
| MinceR | if they allow you to reflash | Oct 11 22:11 |
| cubexyz | some notes: | Oct 11 22:12 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/bios.txt | Oct 11 22:12 |
| cubexyz | the weird thing is AMI does have a SVN for BIOS source code | Oct 11 22:14 |
| cubexyz | not sure how much $$$ you need to get access | Oct 11 22:15 |
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| cubexyz | the problem with using Microsoft's key is what if you compile your kernel and now they need you to have a signed kernel? | Oct 11 22:19 |
| cubexyz | it's a problem | Oct 11 22:19 |
| MinceR | probably one of the first steps will involve demanding you to use redcrap's signed kernel blob | Oct 11 22:21 |
| MinceR | and it will get darker from there | Oct 11 22:21 |
| cubexyz | so forced systemd potentially | Oct 11 22:21 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 11 22:21 |
| MinceR | i suspect that kernel will be garrettux anyway | Oct 11 22:22 |
| MinceR | with kdbus | Oct 11 22:22 |
| cubexyz | the 1999 BIOS is pretty clean, I haven't found anything bad | Oct 11 22:22 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Thanks for that stuff! | Oct 11 22:23 |
| cubexyz | msb_, what stuff? | Oct 11 22:23 |
| cubexyz | :) | Oct 11 22:23 |
| cubexyz | just a mystery file that will be deleted | Oct 11 22:23 |
| msb_ | Can't one just use the signed shim-loader and then any OS? | Oct 11 22:23 |
| cubexyz | maybe | Oct 11 22:24 |
| MinceR | only as long as m$ will sign (and not revoke the signature on) a loader that will load any OS | Oct 11 22:24 |
| MinceR | see 'malware scare' above | Oct 11 22:24 |
| cubexyz | it's such a simple thing, wanting the BIOS source code | Oct 11 22:25 |
| cubexyz | and yet, so difficult to get | Oct 11 22:25 |
| MinceR | it's such a simple thing, wanting control over what a device someone bought with their own money | Oct 11 22:26 |
| msb_ | But if you can save the original bios image, and then reflash it if MS manages to change your bios, you're ok, right? | Oct 11 22:26 |
| MinceR | does | Oct 11 22:26 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if you can even dump the image | Oct 11 22:26 |
| MinceR | or where it actually stores the revocation information | Oct 11 22:26 |
| cubexyz | right, it's all a big mystery | Oct 11 22:27 |
| msb_ | With the 990FX mobo, you can dump the bios image to a usb stick and restore it from there using only the bios -- no os. You can do the same with the keys. | Oct 11 22:28 |
| cubexyz | the fact of the matter is, not even raspberry pi has BIOS source code | Oct 11 22:28 |
| msb_ | But hopefully some SBC does, with two ethernet ports, that can be used to make a router. | Oct 11 22:30 |
| MinceR | or an ethernet port and a usb port, or two usb ports | Oct 11 22:30 |
| MinceR | though i guess usb ethernet dongles are less than optimal | Oct 11 22:31 |
| cubexyz | eventually someone is going to do it | Oct 11 22:31 |
| MinceR | but afaik raspberry pi-s already use an ethernet port that's internally connected via usb | Oct 11 22:31 |
| cubexyz | Award merged with Phoenix btw | Oct 11 22:31 |
| cubexyz | the other question is why did IBM offer 286 BIOS source code, and never again after that? | Oct 11 22:32 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Right! Two more names I remember. | Oct 11 22:33 |
| cubexyz | but I don't remember flashing the BIOS on a 286 | Oct 11 22:34 |
| cubexyz | imagine booting into a BASIC of your own design | Oct 11 22:35 |
| *MinceR shudders | Oct 11 22:35 | |
| cubexyz | on the Amiga we changed the rom chip | Oct 11 22:39 |
| MinceR | apparently now discrete rom chips and sockets are too expensive | Oct 11 22:40 |
| msb_ | The hard part may be finding the AMT/DASH command packet codes so they can be filtered out. | Oct 11 22:40 |
| cubexyz | you had to update the BIOS somehow on the IBM AT to get 720K 3.5" drives working | Oct 11 22:41 |
| cubexyz | my 286 clone had 1.2 meg 5.25 drives | Oct 11 22:42 |
| cubexyz | Compaq reverse engineerede the IBM BIOS | Oct 11 22:49 |
| cubexyz | engineered | Oct 11 22:49 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Franklin_Computer_Corp. | Oct 11 22:50 |
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| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Franklin_Computer_Corp | Oct 11 22:51 |
| cubexyz | ok, just search on "Apple Computer vs Franklin" | Oct 11 22:53 |
| cubexyz | Franklin cloned the Apple II | Oct 11 22:53 |
| cubexyz | Franklin actually won their case but... | Oct 11 22:54 |
| cubexyz | Apple appealed | Oct 11 22:55 |
| cubexyz | I think the IBM 286 used Phoenix BIOS | Oct 11 22:55 |
| cubexyz | or maybe it was the clones | Oct 11 22:55 |
| cubexyz | anyways, Phoenix made the first PC ROM BIOS 'clone' | Oct 11 22:57 |
| cubexyz | Phoenix also developed the PS/2 BIOS | Oct 11 22:58 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/jepsFVd.jpg | Oct 11 23:38 |
| cubexyz | interesting magazine prediction from 1987: | Oct 12 00:02 |
| cubexyz | "the market will transition from an IBM standard to a Intel/MS-DOS/expansion bus standard" | Oct 12 00:02 |
| msb_ | Can't find anything on the AMD website about whether the FX-8350 contains the DASH system. DASH is supposed to be an "open standard" so maybe they'll talk to me on the phone about it. | Oct 12 00:34 |
| msb_ | I've narrowed the population I want to find secure solutions for two groups: 1. People willing to use Linux who already have a computer they like 2. People willing to use Linux and are looking to buy a new fast computer. | Oct 12 00:38 |
| msb_ | Of course windows users are hopeless. | Oct 12 00:38 |
| msb_ | AMD FX-8350 CPU and ASUS 990FX mobo will work for group 2 (which includes me) if that CPU doesn't have DASH or if its command packets can be filtered out by an SBC router. | Oct 12 00:41 |
| cubexyz | the corporate forces are aligned against the people | Oct 12 00:41 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft, AMI, Adobe, Apple, etc etc | Oct 12 00:41 |
| cubexyz | oh you may as well add HP to that list | Oct 12 00:42 |
| cubexyz | they've been quite unhelpful in the last decade or so | Oct 12 00:42 |
| msb_ | Why include AMI? Their BIOS for the 990FX can totally disable secure-boot, and can easily (re-)flash the BIOS. | Oct 12 00:43 |
| cubexyz | well AMI is a google partner | Oct 12 00:49 |
| msb_ | ...and remove and replace the secure-boot keys. | Oct 12 00:49 |
| msb_ | So? | Oct 12 00:50 |
| cubexyz | I have to study this on a case by case basis but so far I do not trust AMI | Oct 12 00:53 |
| cubexyz | there's been cases of ASUS notebook owners getting locked out of Linux | Oct 12 00:54 |
| cubexyz | AMI BIOS | Oct 12 00:55 |
| msb_ | Were you able to fix them? | Oct 12 00:55 |
| cubexyz | no, these were people I haven't met in person | Oct 12 00:56 |
| cubexyz | just telling me about it via email | Oct 12 00:56 |
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| msb_ | Did they get fixed? | Oct 12 00:56 |
| cubexyz | basically what they tell me is that they disabled secure boot and still couldn't load linux on | Oct 12 00:56 |
| msb_ | So this was during Linux installation? | Oct 12 00:57 |
| cubexyz | yes, I think after quite a long time they did manage to get Kubuntu on | Oct 12 00:59 |
| msb_ | What did the problem turn out to be? | Oct 12 00:59 |
| cubexyz | something about "launch CSM" | Oct 12 00:59 |
| msb_ | That's the compatibility (no secure-boot) module. | Oct 12 01:00 |
| msb_ | Was their bios up to date? | Oct 12 01:01 |
| cubexyz | I doubt it | Oct 12 01:01 |
| msb_ | maybe thi | Oct 12 01:01 |
| msb_ | maybe their CSM was half-baked. | Oct 12 01:02 |
| msb_ | It might be a comparatively new feature, as AMI realized that there are a lot of Linu | Oct 12 01:03 |
| msb_ | Linux users. | Oct 12 01:03 |
| msb_ | So that's not a reason to reject AMI. | Oct 12 01:04 |
| cubexyz | I'm looking at some AMI code right now | Oct 12 01:12 |
| cubexyz | and it's clear it's been designed mainly for Windows 7 | Oct 12 01:12 |
| cubexyz | there is much to study here | Oct 12 01:13 |
| msb_ | Does Linux ever execute any bios code once it has booted up? | Oct 12 01:14 |
| cubexyz | I'll say that modern BIOS can operate at a level which is invisible to the main OS | Oct 12 01:17 |
| cubexyz | so basically AMI is writing for Windows first | Oct 12 01:18 |
| msb_ | can it do that if it never gets executed after boot. | Oct 12 01:18 |
| cubexyz | Linux is an after-thought | Oct 12 01:18 |
| cubexyz | I know the Linux folks try to use the BIOS as little as possible since they don't trust it | Oct 12 01:18 |
| msb_ | So we're interested in whether there are any nasties built into bios that could operate under Linux. | Oct 12 01:19 |
| cubexyz | invisible to Linux I think is the best way to describe it | Oct 12 01:19 |
| cubexyz | sometimes that is called ring -1 | Oct 12 01:19 |
| cubexyz | I know AMI tests on Redhat | Oct 12 01:21 |
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| cubexyz | the BIOS knows which OS you have | Oct 12 01:21 |
| msb_ | First off, one should boot Linux air-gapped -- with the Net physically disconnected. That way any nasties couldn't phone home. So they'd have to know how to mess up any of the many distros from info included in the bios. | Oct 12 01:21 |
| cubexyz | well the first place I'm looking is SmmDriverDispatcher.c | Oct 12 01:22 |
| cubexyz | some of it is under a BSD license | Oct 12 01:25 |
| cubexyz | also there's comments complaining about what the Microsoft compiler does | Oct 12 01:29 |
| cubexyz | well probably wireshark or tcpdump would be good enough to see any phone home activity | Oct 12 01:31 |
| cubexyz | I guess it wouldn't show everything | Oct 12 01:32 |
| cubexyz | if you ran everything for 10 years and never had a problem well then I would say it's fine | Oct 12 01:35 |
| cubexyz | but my computers are all non-DASH | Oct 12 01:36 |
| cubexyz | it's interesting watching the ARP traffic | Oct 12 01:40 |
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| cubexyz | if the router becomes unreponsive I'll watch to see if the ARP messages are still happening | Oct 12 01:42 |
| msb_ | Ring -1 is for VM execs, right? And since there are open-source VM execs, we should be able to figure out how to detect ring -1 activity. | Oct 12 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653461705704538112 | Oct 12 04:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Congratulations on obtaining a copy of the Closer Contact With Major Applicants document that you were able to publish. Great. | Oct 12 04:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/653462041374687232 | Oct 12 04:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID. | Oct 12 04:48 | |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: https://community.amd.com/ideas/1115 | Oct 12 12:13 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: on the phone now with AMD customer service to get info on DASH | Oct 12 12:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrauweilerK/status/653593778322731011 | Oct 12 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrauweilerK: Brisanter Vermerk: Europäisches Patentamt soll Großkunden wie Microsoft bevorzugen: Das Blog "Techrights" hat ... http://t.co/vsPNx1GpUY | Oct 12 12:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.heise.de | Brisanter Vermerk: Europäisches Patentamt soll Großkunden wie Microsoft bevorzugen | heise online | Oct 12 12:26 | |
| schestowitz | germany's biggest it news site | Oct 12 12:26 |
| schestowitz | techrights cited | Oct 12 12:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653598877371793408 | Oct 12 12:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz cool Heise story about your EPO closer contacts post! | Oct 12 12:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LibertyIsALady/status/653572395043651584 | Oct 12 12:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LibertyIsALady: @bi_politics Righttttt. http://t.co/oqp0RX9cQd http://t.co/U7hjygr6VX | Oct 12 12:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.jbbardot.com | Doomsday Seed Vault In The Arctic - Bill Gates, Rockefeller And GMO Giants Monsanto, Syngenta Know Something We Don’t | Oct 12 12:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CMSFreiberufler/status/653599027087339521 | Oct 12 12:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CMSFreiberufler: Brisanter Vermerk: Europäisches Patentamt soll Großkunden wie Microsoft bevorzugen: Das Blog "Techrights" hat ... http://t.co/GoMaIdX5S1 | Oct 12 12:36 | |
| msb_ | DASH info should be coming from AMD in the next two days. | Oct 12 12:40 |
| msb_ | ...or a SWAT team. I told him I wanted the info so people could _prevent_ their computer from being remote controlled. | Oct 12 12:42 |
| schestowitz | without the pointer to the document title it wouldn't have happened, so thanks | Oct 12 12:44 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Congratulations! | Oct 12 12:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/653551114021904384 | Oct 12 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Actual link to the article is http://t.co/Z5H1vaNce6 :-) | Oct 12 12:47 | |
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| schestowitz | oops, I was on the phone when I posted this... | Oct 12 12:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653612661117198336 | Oct 12 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz no problem. I just had to honor a promise not to publish or share it myself. Glad you're increasingly focused on EPO isses | Oct 12 12:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/653520905339998209 | Oct 12 12:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "ppl may face jail time for ©® infringements [even]without financial gain if [such] significantly impact ©® holders" https://t.co/iijxJSnxuE | Oct 12 12:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Leaked #TPP Chapter Proposes Drastic Copyright Changes https://t.co/gtm1PER2WQ tilting law against the poor, the empower Power | Oct 12 12:49 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: thanks | Oct 12 12:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Rich61080/status/653615616411176960 | Oct 12 13:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Rich61080: @schestowitz Genghis Khan is celebrated in Mongolia and has been recognized by the Chinese government. | Oct 12 13:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694325 | Oct 12 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux golden age threatened by bug army http://www.techeye.net/news/linux-golden-age-threatened-by-bug-army well, compare to https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/653185875715624960 | Oct 12 13:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Why are you sharing a 2 year old story?" | Oct 12 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techeye.net | Linux golden age threatened by bug army | TechEye [ http://ur1.ca/nzpv8 ] | Oct 12 13:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixcraft: New @Snowden revelations confirm @Microsoft Tells the NSA about encryption backdoors in proprietary Windows software https://t.co/SskMDnXQEc | Oct 12 13:02 | |
| schestowitz | Both links are new, but the third one is old and relevant | Oct 12 13:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6600006 | Oct 12 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Driver development for Windows, in #vista10 included, is still a sordid mess. Windows has hardly evolved, based on inside sources.Marketing. | Oct 12 13:03 | |
| schestowitz | "yes indeed" | Oct 12 13:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DickInman/status/653616852724154368 | Oct 12 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DickInman: @schestowitz Genghis Khan's exploits didn't have this wonderful result: #merica #HappyColumbusDay | Oct 12 13:04 | |
| schestowitz | Merica? | Oct 12 13:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694260 | Oct 12 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: White Hat Hackers Would Have Their Devices Destroyed Under the TPP http://motherboard.vice.com/read/white-hat-hackers-would-have-their-devices-destroyed-under-the-tpp #tpp is like #whitecollar crime against society | Oct 12 13:05 | |
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| schestowitz | "Secret IP police." | Oct 12 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Goons of the rich | Oct 12 13:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694474 | Oct 12 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When my wife worked in #taiwan (for US company) she said they did union-busting, fired >potential< charismatic person >AND< her friend | Oct 12 13:05 | |
| schestowitz | "wtf" | Oct 12 13:05 |
| schestowitz | #china #prc | Oct 12 13:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6693412 | Oct 12 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Solus Is Getting User Repositories http://news.softpedia.com/news/solus-is-getting-user-repositories-494310.shtml #gnu #linux | Oct 12 13:06 | |
| schestowitz | "what is their package manager? is it one that other distros use too or do they develop it completely from scratch?" | Oct 12 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | Haven't checked myself, maybe others can weigh in | Oct 12 13:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/653617330807816192 | Oct 12 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz There needs to be more shoe throwing all round. | Oct 12 13:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695575 | Oct 12 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ColumbusDay is a celebration of aggressive invasion. Imagine Iraqis celebrating "Bush Day" or Cambodia celebrating "Kissinger Day". | Oct 12 13:25 | |
| schestowitz | "You're preaching to the choir, my friend." | Oct 12 13:25 |
| schestowitz | I used the hashtag hoping to reach outside the choir | Oct 12 13:25 |
| schestowitz | [21:29] <msb_> schestowitz: Regarding systemd "here to stay", the author Christine Hall is not a software engineer, and knows nothing of good engineering principles. This according to her autobio in one of her sites. She's a literary writer. | Oct 12 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but... | Oct 12 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Don't go ad hominem on her | Oct 12 13:28 |
| schestowitz | she's pro FOSS | Oct 12 13:28 |
| schestowitz | but also pro DRM gasp | Oct 12 13:28 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <cubexyz> HA, dual core 2 gigahertz is old | Oct 12 13:31 |
| schestowitz | My wife has 1.5 dual | Oct 12 13:31 |
| schestowitz | both of us have just 2gb of ram | Oct 12 13:31 |
| schestowitz | and it's mostly enough, although kf5 is choking on it | Oct 12 13:31 |
| schestowitz | too bloated and buggy, still | Oct 12 13:31 |
| schestowitz | needs to stablise | Oct 12 13:31 |
| schestowitz | *stabilise | Oct 12 13:31 |
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| msb_ | To Christine Hall's credit, she not only left my very large comment in, but cited it in the recent comments column. http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671 | Oct 12 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzqlv ] | Oct 12 14:02 | |
| msb_ | Oops, not in the recent column anymore, but still with the article. | Oct 12 14:05 |
| msb_ | This article is truly excellent, and turned me on to her site: http://fossforce.com/2015/09/in-the-seed-of-a-raspberry-is-the-future-of-linux/ | Oct 12 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nv5mb ] | Oct 12 14:09 | |
| msb_ | If you see an article on fossforce promoting DRM, add a comment to the article explaining why it's so bad. Include a link to techrights. | Oct 12 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/653650361211817985 | Oct 12 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wendycockcroft: #opensource for the win! https://t.co/JG9bz6tGdM | Oct 12 15:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Italy’s Bari switching to #LibreOffice and ODF https://t.co/CiP4zqHVXe #europe #italy #freesw #odf #standard #bari | Oct 12 15:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/invizbox/status/653655509652930560 | Oct 12 15:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@invizbox: @schestowitz thanks for the tweet! | Oct 12 15:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653655679270449152 | Oct 12 15:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: How to be critical of systemd, without devolving into the tired religious wars. Long and technical. @schestowitz http://t.co/Y2Yvg2yDwx | Oct 12 15:39 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653671925403664384 | Oct 12 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz it's a discussion that needs to happen and has been long overdue. It needs to run its course or it'll keep occurring. | Oct 12 16:45 | |
| schestowitz | There are more discussions, mostly technical, worth having. This one has taken up over a week... | Oct 12 16:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653673337562886144 | Oct 12 16:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz absolutely! But this is still one that needs to happen alongside those. | Oct 12 16:48 | |
| schestowitz | it distracts developers who work on Linux for nearly a week now. They need to get on with work... | Oct 12 16:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653674081540112384 | Oct 12 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz there's nothing stopping them or distracting them. The people who need to focus, will. | Oct 12 16:51 | |
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| schestowitz | hard when a shitstorm on the Internet speaks personally about them | Oct 12 16:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695888 | Oct 12 17:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 5 Reasons to Still Choose an Android Phone Over an iPhone http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/10/5-reasons-to-choose-an-android-device-over-an-ipho.html | Oct 12 17:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pastemagazine.com | 5 Reasons to Still Choose an Android Phone Over an iPhone :: Tech :: Lists :: Paste [ http://ur1.ca/nzt9j ] | Oct 12 17:03 | |
| schestowitz | "I’m sure listing “deep integration with Google services” as a benefit will go over really well with the Diaspora community lol." | Oct 12 17:03 |
| schestowitz | "I remember in Cory Doctorow’s For The Win, Coca Cola was the maker of the mmorpg around which the story centers." | Oct 12 17:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695783 | Oct 12 17:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Leak reveals a brand-new Android phone made by… Pepsi http://bgr.com/2015/10/12/pepsi-android-smartphone-price-leak/ #android #linux #pepsi | Oct 12 17:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bgr.com | Pepsi Android smartphone price leak | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/nztcf ] | Oct 12 17:08 | |
| schestowitz | I remember playing computer games revolving around food products like 7UP and others... | Oct 12 17:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653676322795814912 | Oct 12 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz and there's a bloody good reason for that happening. | Oct 12 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hydrofal78/status/653678002870616064 | Oct 12 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hydrofal78: @schestowitz @KimDotcom is there a chance we get our documents downloaded?There was no warning email and cannot access the cloud now. | Oct 12 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | FBI et al want all the files wiped. Because they said so. Not even hosted in the US at the time. | Oct 12 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hydrofal78/status/653679534198407168 | Oct 12 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hydrofal78: @schestowitz @KimDotcom that's not fair;I've got old work documents kept as an archive;how can we ask for a chance to get them? | Oct 12 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | > x http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-the-linux-company/ | Oct 12 17:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 12 17:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Microsoft's love affair with Linux deepens | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/nztj1 ] | Oct 12 17:19 | |
| schestowitz | > does he write those titles or do the editors? | Oct 12 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Editors. i challenged him over it... | Oct 12 17:19 |
| schestowitz | "on the same day that the country's President Xi Jinping and a | Oct 12 17:21 |
| schestowitz | delegation visited its campus at Redmond" | Oct 12 17:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2985902/microsoft-cuts-deals-in-china-with-government-organizations-and-companies.html | Oct 12 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Microsoft tailors Windows 10 for China, cutting deals with Baidu and others | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/nztkv ] | Oct 12 17:21 | |
| schestowitz | == | Oct 12 17:21 |
| schestowitz | https://consent.google.com/ui/ | Oct 12 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://consent.google.com/ui/ ) | Oct 12 17:21 | |
| schestowitz | > https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/Platforms/ | Oct 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | > ? | Oct 12 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ec.europa.eu | EUSurvey - Survey [ http://ur1.ca/nztm0 ] | Oct 12 17:24 | |
| schestowitz | Need JS to use... | Oct 12 17:24 |
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| msb_ | XRevan86: cubexyz: MinceR: Have any of you read this entire article? http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ | Oct 12 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ] | Oct 12 18:14 | |
| MinceR | i'm reading it | Oct 12 18:14 |
| MinceR | i'm at 53% | Oct 12 18:14 |
| msb_ | systemd is an enormous godawful mess. No wonder it has 36MB of source code. | Oct 12 18:15 |
| cubexyz | motherboard BIOS is getting very big also | Oct 12 18:15 |
| cubexyz | Cedar Trail on it's own is 87 megs of files | Oct 12 18:16 |
| cubexyz | not the sort of thing your going to be able to study easily | Oct 12 18:16 |
| cubexyz | s/your/you're/ | Oct 12 18:16 |
| cubexyz | my advice remains the same: | Oct 12 18:17 |
| cubexyz | keep one older computer with non-systemd and simpler BIOS (with source code if at all possible) | Oct 12 18:17 |
| msb_ | I once programmed for a company that made implantable defibrillators. They had a test setup consisting of six PCs running some kind of object-oriented system to test the defibrillators (which were 6502 based). | Oct 12 18:17 |
| cubexyz | did you know that some of the PDP-11 folks consider PCs to be broken? | Oct 12 18:19 |
| msb_ | None of them could figure out what the object-oriented realtime system was actually doing. I wrote a simple program to analyze the defibrillator output, which revealed that it was emitting spurious pulses that could cause fibrillation and kill the patient. The company was not going to fix the defib, as they had already written up some 600 pages of test data for the FDA. So they fired me the next week. | Oct 12 18:20 |
| cubexyz | as in the design itself is bad | Oct 12 18:20 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: "bad" how? With a good OS, PCs work fine. | Oct 12 18:22 |
| cubexyz | except they mess up all the time | Oct 12 18:23 |
| msb_ | What are you talking about? Mine runs for months with no problems until there's a power failure. | Oct 12 18:24 |
| msb_ | You have a dozen of them. Are they messing up all the time? | Oct 12 18:24 |
| cubexyz | at the application level? definitely | Oct 12 18:25 |
| cubexyz | at the X11 level? surely | Oct 12 18:25 |
| cubexyz | does the text console fail? it does | Oct 12 18:25 |
| msb_ | Not that I see such problems, but how do you figure that the fundamental structure of the computer is at fault> | Oct 12 18:26 |
| msb_ | ? | Oct 12 18:26 |
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| msb_ | Anyhow, you changed the subject to BIOS, which is mostly doing one thing at a time if it's doing anything (in Linux). | Oct 12 18:28 |
| cubexyz | What I'm saying is that the complexitiy of the PC is such that one person can't understand it | Oct 12 18:28 |
| cubexyz | I'm not saying the architecture is broken, this PDP-11 guy is saying that | Oct 12 18:29 |
| MinceR | i think there are too many dirty little secrets in all modern computers | Oct 12 18:29 |
| MinceR | secret hardware designs, secret microcode, secret firmware, etc. | Oct 12 18:30 |
| cubexyz | if you aren't switching from text console to X11 mode a lot you might not see some of the problems I'm seeing | Oct 12 18:30 |
| msb_ | What I'm talking about is this article: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ which reveals systemd to be a super-complex object-oriented real-time abortion enormously bigger than the one I encountered at the defibrillator company, which hid the fact that their product was going to stop people's hearts and kill them. | Oct 12 18:31 |
| cubexyz | if I ran a system with no sound card, and no X11 at all then it would be extremely stable | Oct 12 18:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ] | Oct 12 18:31 | |
| MinceR | it's worse than that | Oct 12 18:31 |
| cubexyz | even so I've run X11 for over a year, so it's not bad | Oct 12 18:32 |
| MinceR | it reveals the service manager aspect of systemd to be that | Oct 12 18:32 |
| MinceR | and on top of that, there's a mandatory broken syslogd replacement | Oct 12 18:32 |
| cubexyz | it's just that it fails under certain conditions | Oct 12 18:32 |
| MinceR | and a dozen other things | Oct 12 18:32 |
| MinceR | or more | Oct 12 18:32 |
| MinceR | plus there's the toxic attitude of its backers | Oct 12 18:32 |
| MinceR | and the atrocious code quality | Oct 12 18:32 |
| cubexyz | systemd isn't Unix philosophy | Oct 12 18:33 |
| cubexyz | so I don't use it | Oct 12 18:33 |
| cubexyz | PDP11 guy says: | Oct 12 18:33 |
| cubexyz | Anyone still recall how the memory layout actually looks like on a PC? Or the ugly architecture that x86 is? Or the strange and silly IRQ and DMA setups you needed to do on cards on the ISA bus, or the dependecies on the BIOS, which in the old days had the geometry of every kind of disk in tables in the BIOS, fixed even... Or the various video cards with incompatible interfaces and peculiarities.. | Oct 12 18:33 |
| msb_ | To make systemd into something that could brick Linux computers at government command, probably no code changes would even be needed, just some parameter changes. | Oct 12 18:34 |
| cubexyz | you can brick the BIOS for that matter | Oct 12 18:34 |
| cubexyz | no systemd needed :) | Oct 12 18:34 |
| msb_ | Not remotely, unless via DASH. | Oct 12 18:35 |
| cubexyz | there's lots of other problems too, but in the hardware | Oct 12 18:35 |
| cubexyz | sure, you can brick the BIOS with DASH | Oct 12 18:35 |
| cubexyz | just overwrite it with malicious code | Oct 12 18:36 |
| cubexyz | uh, without DASH I mean | Oct 12 18:36 |
| cubexyz | it's not likely though | Oct 12 18:36 |
| MinceR | CIH bricked the BIOS without DASH :> | Oct 12 18:36 |
| cubexyz | right | Oct 12 18:36 |
| cubexyz | that's kind of why we have all this secure boot stuff now | Oct 12 18:37 |
| cubexyz | it's good and bad at the same time | Oct 12 18:37 |
| cubexyz | DASH is good and bad as well | Oct 12 18:38 |
| cubexyz | with DASH you could remotely fix problems | Oct 12 18:38 |
| cubexyz | and cause them in the first place | Oct 12 18:38 |
| cubexyz | if your BIOS has unused space, the bad code can hide in it | Oct 12 18:39 |
| cubexyz | I've already mentioned the BMP vulerability | Oct 12 18:40 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: PCs evolved with innovation on top of innovation. That's why the architecture is so "ugly" now. But it works great! And what happened to DEC, with its beautifully designed PDP-11 series? They were too expensive, and DEC was sold off to Compaq, HP and Intel. | Oct 12 18:40 |
| cubexyz | msb_, right, DEC messed up big time | Oct 12 18:41 |
| msb_ | CIH is a windows virus, right? Windows systems are hopelessly insecure. | Oct 12 18:43 |
| cubexyz | CIH could KO the BIOS itself, not sure if that could happen with Linux | Oct 12 18:44 |
| cubexyz | if the BIOS gets overwritten, all bets are off | Oct 12 18:44 |
| cubexyz | personally I can't think of PCs as 'great' | Oct 12 18:46 |
| cubexyz | if you repair laptops often enough... you'll see what I mean | Oct 12 18:47 |
| cubexyz | damaged GDUs, and other kinds of heat damage | Oct 12 18:47 |
| cubexyz | GPU? GPU | Oct 12 18:47 |
| MinceR | there are no PDP-11 laptops though, afaik | Oct 12 18:48 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: PCs are what we've got. Staying with AMD for the moment, the FX-8350 is an excellent CPU and the ASUS 990FX is an excellent mobo in which secure-boot can easily be turned off. So if the DASH vulnerability can be fixed, or doesn't even exist with the 8350, that combination provides a superb high-speed computer suitable for everyone. | Oct 12 18:48 |
| msb_ | High-speed _and_ secure. | Oct 12 18:49 |
| cubexyz | no, no PDP-11 laptops, microPDP in a small case is the best you can do | Oct 12 18:49 |
| cubexyz | except you have tons of binary blobs, and no clue what they do | Oct 12 18:49 |
| cubexyz | that's the problem with modern PCs | Oct 12 18:50 |
| msb_ | Well, we now have the C and assembly source code to modern AMI BIOS, so you can see what the blobs made from that will do. I predict it's nothing malicious. | Oct 12 18:52 |
| cubexyz | from 2011, nothing from 2015 | Oct 12 18:52 |
| cubexyz | that doesn't include other types of firmware either | Oct 12 18:53 |
| cubexyz | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ | Oct 12 18:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Meet “badBIOS,” the mysterious Mac and PC malware that jumps airgaps | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fys2h ] | Oct 12 18:54 | |
| msb_ | The Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge code in the torrent are from 2012. | Oct 12 18:55 |
| cubexyz | I just grepped the whole thing for 2012 and zero matches | Oct 12 18:56 |
| cubexyz | well hold on, I don't think I've looked at Sandy Bridge yet | Oct 12 18:57 |
| cubexyz | no matches in Cedar Trail I should say | Oct 12 18:57 |
| cubexyz | it's huge | Oct 12 18:58 |
| cubexyz | no matches in Sandy Bridge either | Oct 12 18:59 |
| cubexyz | ok, Ivy Bridge does have files with 2012 in them | Oct 12 19:01 |
| cubexyz | I think the leak was announced in 2013 | Oct 12 19:01 |
| cubexyz | lots of good info though, it will be years before one can digest all this | Oct 12 19:09 |
| cubexyz | you can see in Luna Pier's History.txt that testing was done on Windows XP | Oct 12 19:10 |
| cubexyz | one can see my point AMI tests mainly for Windows | Oct 12 19:12 |
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| cubexyz | the proof is voluminous | Oct 12 19:13 |
| cubexyz | and we say that win95 is bad but... | Oct 12 19:14 |
| cubexyz | and it was terrible... | Oct 12 19:14 |
| cubexyz | but to suggest that windows 10 is fine and everything's A-OK would be crazy | Oct 12 19:15 |
| cubexyz | to me, this code just reaffirms that Microsoft has their hooks into everything | Oct 12 19:17 |
| cubexyz | I predicted the Microsoft only computer would happen | Oct 12 19:17 |
| cubexyz | computers will become balkanized | Oct 12 19:18 |
| cubexyz | Google computer, Apple computer, Microsoft computer | Oct 12 19:18 |
| cubexyz | on the fringe we'll have Amiga, Vax, PDP-11, etc | Oct 12 19:19 |
| cubexyz | read that Arstechnica article... | Oct 12 19:21 |
| msb_ | Yeah, and Putin is going to blow the tits off the Earth. | Oct 12 19:21 |
| msb_ | The Ars article reminds me of this deliciously scary movie about an alien lifeform that comes to Earth via a radio signal: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138304/combined | Oct 12 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Astronaut's Wife (1999) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvc8 ] | Oct 12 19:22 | |
| cubexyz | Ruiu did sound a bit paranoid | Oct 12 19:23 |
| cubexyz | but he had a major problem, no doubt about that | Oct 12 19:23 |
| msb_ | Do Windows machines instantly execute any program they find on a USB stick? Do Linux machines? | Oct 12 19:24 |
| cubexyz | ha | Oct 12 19:24 |
| cubexyz | good question | Oct 12 19:24 |
| cubexyz | pretty sure Linux doesn't | Oct 12 19:24 |
| cubexyz | but remember CDs with autostart? | Oct 12 19:25 |
| msb_ | Windows certainly used to execute any exe file it got in an e-mail. Fun and games there! | Oct 12 19:25 |
| cubexyz | windows had autorun on CDs for sure | Oct 12 19:25 |
| msb_ | Even the most devilish virus is harmless as long as it remains just data and doesn't get executed. | Oct 12 19:26 |
| cubexyz | I had a customer ask me for a computer without USB | Oct 12 19:27 |
| cubexyz | you can disconnect the ribbon cable :) | Oct 12 19:28 |
| cubexyz | one scenario... hacker leaves a usb stick by your computer | Oct 12 19:29 |
| cubexyz | curious user plugs it in to see what's on it | Oct 12 19:29 |
| msb_ | There's another great movie, "Virus", with Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Sutherland: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120458/combined | Oct 12 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Virus (1999) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvfo ] | Oct 12 19:30 | |
| msb_ | A virus comes to earth and begins building robot bodies for itself, some incorporating human parts! | Oct 12 19:31 |
| cubexyz | 1999 was a rather pessimistic year it seems | Oct 12 19:31 |
| cubexyz | Y2K! Grocery stores will be empty! Planes will fall out of the sky! | Oct 12 19:31 |
| msb_ | Then there was this one, about an electrical virus traveling through the power lines: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095924/combined | Oct 12 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pulse (1988) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvh9 ] | Oct 12 19:33 | |
| msb_ | So good! | Oct 12 19:33 |
| msb_ | "Paranoia is just another word for heightened awareness." | Oct 12 19:35 |
| cubexyz | high frequency transmissions passed between computer speakers and microphones? | Oct 12 19:36 |
| cubexyz | that's movie material right there :) | Oct 12 19:37 |
| msb_ | "It don't just crawl in on your wires. It ain't a *thing*. It's a *signal*. A *pulse*. Kinda like a *voice*. So what you've got to do is to get rid of anything in your house that might have ears to hear it. " | Oct 12 19:37 |
| MinceR | 012116 < msb_> Yeah, and Putin is going to blow the tits off the Earth. | Oct 12 19:41 |
| MinceR | and unless the usian missile defense works out, he'll nuke you too | Oct 12 19:41 |
| msb_ | Oops, I triggered PARRY. | Oct 12 19:44 |
| MinceR | oops, i triggered the kremlin's troll army | Oct 12 19:44 |
| msb_ | Too bad for you that Putin is doing such a great job saving Syria from ISIL and Al-Nusrah. The syrians are very grateful. | Oct 12 19:46 |
| msb_ | ISIL and Al-Nusrah (Al-Qaeda) are armed by the US, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. | Oct 12 19:49 |
| msb_ | Head choppers and clit cutters. | Oct 12 19:49 |
| MinceR | i'm sure it will ease your pains when dying of radiation sickness and/or starving to death in nuclear winter triggered by putin | Oct 12 19:49 |
| msb_ | All so that Israel can dominate the Middle East. | Oct 12 19:49 |
| MinceR | putin is a religious fundamentalist all the same | Oct 12 19:49 |
| cubexyz | it's unlikely anyone will get nuked | Oct 12 20:07 |
| cubexyz | MAD still holds, and people aren't that crazy | Oct 12 20:07 |
| cubexyz | The US could have used nukes in Vietnam for example | Oct 12 20:10 |
| cubexyz | China has a NFU (No first Use) policy | Oct 12 20:12 |
| cubexyz | Russia's policy is it reserves the right to use nuclear weapons "in response to a large-scale conventional agression" | Oct 12 20:14 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use | Oct 12 20:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | No first use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzvwz ] | Oct 12 20:14 | |
| MinceR | MAD won't deter people who believe only the afterlife matters, or people as desperate as putin | Oct 12 20:15 |
| MinceR | see, even that policy is more trigger-happy than the policies of other countries | Oct 12 20:17 |
| MinceR | or the policies of the first cold war | Oct 12 20:17 |
| msb_ | MinceR is a depressed paranoid schizophrenic who refuses to get any help. | Oct 12 20:18 |
| MinceR | msb_ is a fascist who refuses to stop pushing putin's propaganda. | Oct 12 20:19 |
| msb_ | MinceR says that almost all people are worthless, and want to be enslaved and killed. | Oct 12 20:20 |
| MinceR | msb_ wants us all to be enslaved and/or killed by putin | Oct 12 20:20 |
| MinceR | msb_ supports the destruction of human rights and freedoms while claiming he doesn't support that. | Oct 12 20:21 |
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| msb_ | MinceR is unable to provide quotes from me supporting _any_ of the lies he tells about me. He comes up with lame excuses for not posting such quotes. | Oct 12 20:23 |
| cubexyz | Ruiu is saying that once he removed the internal speaker and microphone that the bad packets stopped transmitting, curious stuff | Oct 12 20:23 |
| MinceR | msb_ likes to pretend that evidence that was presented (often more than once) doesn't exist | Oct 12 20:24 |
| msb_ | But that was after the machines had been infected from USB sticks. | Oct 12 20:24 |
| MinceR | msb_ also can't tell the difference between data and noise | Oct 12 20:24 |
| cubexyz | he's saying infected machines are talking to each other via ultrasound | Oct 12 20:26 |
| cubexyz | and he's saying it infected his BSD machine, not just his windows boxes | Oct 12 20:28 |
| msb_ | But only to repair changes he made to the viral code. | Oct 12 20:29 |
| cubexyz | https://www.facebook.com/dragosr/posts/10151655183445588 | Oct 12 20:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.facebook.com | Dragos Ruiu - More on my ongoing chase of #badBIOS... | Facebook [ http://ur1.ca/nzw51 ] | Oct 12 20:30 | |
| msb_ | Any OS that launches an executable it finds on a usb stick would be vulnerable. | Oct 12 20:30 |
| cubexyz | yeah if it's DASH related... then no knows | Oct 12 20:30 |
| cubexyz | but he says the machine was air gapped, so it's very odd | Oct 12 20:31 |
| msb_ | It infected Macs -- no DASH. | Oct 12 20:31 |
| cubexyz | you're certain Macs don't have DASH? | Oct 12 20:31 |
| cubexyz | these problems seem very modern to me | Oct 12 20:33 |
| cubexyz | mystery fonts on windows 8, well if he keeps using windows 8 then no wonder | Oct 12 20:34 |
| msb_ | windows anything. ttf fonts are executable!!! | Oct 12 20:35 |
| cubexyz | ttf files get previewed by windows, yes :) | Oct 12 20:35 |
| cubexyz | Dragos should have one or two older computers | Oct 12 20:36 |
| cubexyz | and yes, stop using windows | Oct 12 20:36 |
| MinceR | winblows puts executable stubs with PE headers on everything | Oct 12 20:37 |
| MinceR | it's like they _want_ everything to be able to carry malware | Oct 12 20:37 |
| cubexyz | but if someone is reprogramming the USB controller, you are screwed right there | Oct 12 20:37 |
| msb_ | I thought DASH was only in AMD CPUs, but it's part of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Management_Task_Force | Oct 12 20:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Distributed Management Task Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzw8l ] | Oct 12 20:38 | |
| cubexyz | no, Intel Vpro has a subset of DASH | Oct 12 20:38 |
| MinceR | i think that's vPro :> | Oct 12 20:38 |
| cubexyz | think about that for a second... reprogramming the USB Controller | Oct 12 20:39 |
| cubexyz | USB keyboard? keyloggers? | Oct 12 20:39 |
| cubexyz | Intel vPro, right | Oct 12 20:40 |
| cubexyz | I know I don't want it | Oct 12 20:40 |
| msb_ | I guess badbios wasn't designed to spread via the Net or it would be everywhere. | Oct 12 20:41 |
| cubexyz | how did he get it in the first place? | Oct 12 20:44 |
| cubexyz | unless it's all a hoax | Oct 12 20:44 |
| cubexyz | "ascousitc mesm networking at 20 bits per second" | Oct 12 20:45 |
| cubexyz | acoustic | Oct 12 20:45 |
| cubexyz | acoustic mesh networking | Oct 12 20:46 |
| msb_ | usb stick or cd-rom | Oct 12 20:46 |
| msb_ | maybe somebody dropped a usb stick in his bag at a security convention | Oct 12 20:48 |
| cubexyz | possible | Oct 12 20:48 |
| cubexyz | I learned today that ARP tries to talk to 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.254 | Oct 12 20:51 |
| cubexyz | I just started watching the ARP stuff yesterday | Oct 12 20:51 |
| msb_ | That's your cable or dsl node identifying all the leaf nodes, including yours. | Oct 12 20:54 |
| msb_ | My router filters that out. It was annoying. | Oct 12 20:55 |
| msb_ | ARP means Alien Repersonalization Pulse. MinceR was hit by one, and look at him now. | Oct 12 21:05 |
| MinceR | no, i'm being hit by personal attacks | Oct 12 21:06 |
| MinceR | something msb_ used to complain about | Oct 12 21:06 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: I think when your system sees an ARP packet with its ip-address, it responds with a packet containing its MAC address. So the upstream node knows which customer is on which ip-address. | Oct 12 21:08 |
| msb_ | But that's just from memory. | Oct 12 21:08 |
| cubexyz | msb_, how do you know the ARP requests are coming from the ISP and not the router? | Oct 12 21:15 |
| msb_ | Interesting stuff here: https://www.reddit.com/r/badBIOS/ | Oct 12 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BadBIOS, firmware rootkits, side channel attacks, power line hacking | Oct 12 21:17 | |
| cubexyz | "libreboot project recommends avoiding all modern Intel hardware" | Oct 12 21:18 |
| msb_ | I was seeing the ARP packets on my computer with xnetload and ethereal _before_ I installed the router. | Oct 12 21:18 |
| msb_ | Suits me! | Oct 12 21:19 |
| msb_ | The router blocked them. | Oct 12 21:19 |
| msb_ | Now I see only incoming and outgoing packets from my software on my graphic net indicators. | Oct 12 21:20 |
| msb_ | Before it was full of ARP hair that obscured them. | Oct 12 21:21 |
| cubexyz | your router has an option to block ARP messages? | Oct 12 21:29 |
| cubexyz | I don't think my router can do that | Oct 12 21:29 |
| cubexyz | wow, the Reddit folks are saying there's a hidden gizmo in the cmos battery | Oct 12 21:34 |
| cubexyz | these guys are even more paranoid that us | Oct 12 21:34 |
| cubexyz | s/that/than/ | Oct 12 21:34 |
| cubexyz | some of the things they are talking about I don't understand | Oct 12 21:37 |
| cubexyz | I don't remember any microphone on 1997 motherboards (or newer) | Oct 12 21:38 |
| cubexyz | "all laptops are sold with webcams and microphones" | Oct 12 21:40 |
| msb_ | Look thru the advanced settings in your router menu. | Oct 12 21:59 |
| cubexyz | there's nothing about ARP | Oct 12 22:02 |
| msb_ | I wish I could block AARP from my snail-mail! | Oct 12 22:03 |
| msb_ | I'll look in my router. | Oct 12 22:04 |
| cubexyz | I'm not that worried about my ISP | Oct 12 22:06 |
| cubexyz | it's community based | Oct 12 22:06 |
| cubexyz | an ARP attack would be different | Oct 12 22:06 |
| cubexyz | guess my router is too old | Oct 12 22:07 |
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| msb_ | I can | Oct 12 23:07 |
| msb_ | I can't find the setting in my router or firewall to block ARP. Maybe it does it automatically. | Oct 12 23:07 |
| msb_ | I set this system up years ago -- don't remember. | Oct 12 23:08 |
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| cubexyz | more freaky stuff: | Oct 12 23:32 |
| cubexyz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/05/airgap_chatting_malware/ | Oct 12 23:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Hear that? It's the sound of BadBIOS wannabe chatting over air gaps • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nzyfl ] | Oct 12 23:32 | |
| cubexyz | looks like the mothership has phone ARP 3 times so far | Oct 12 23:41 |
| cubexyz | s/phone/phoned/ | Oct 12 23:41 |
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| cubexyz | umm, techrights seems unacessible atm | Oct 13 00:19 |
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| cubexyz | check it out.. I can run bios images in dosbox using biosview.exe | Oct 13 01:23 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/biosview-dosbox.png | Oct 13 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/653830217761427456 | Oct 13 05:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: long overdue #opensource https://t.co/UDCh8mI9SZ | Oct 13 05:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Taunton and Somerset trust explores wider open source adoption http://t.co/3wWKe7rYDG #NHS #freesw #uk @glynmoody | Oct 13 05:50 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653864899362353152 | Oct 13 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @glynmoody It would be great if you could write about EPO issues, especially pro-large-corp bias, in some high-profile media. @schestowitz | Oct 13 05:56 | |
| schestowitz | I agree and I told him that earlier this year. German and Dutch media not accessible to English-speaking crowds. | Oct 13 05:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/653865114655961088 | Oct 13 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz funny you should mention that...on it | Oct 13 05:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653865338287882240 | Oct 13 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @glynmoody @schestowitz That's great news! BTW, I just did a post linking to Roy's post on major applicants and published a new legal letter | Oct 13 05:57 | |
| schestowitz | More on the way... | Oct 13 05:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bosson/status/653871390060363776 | Oct 13 05:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bosson: @schestowitz How much of this corruption will bleed into the Unified Patent Court once UPC-epo patents are legal w.o. national checks. | Oct 13 05:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/653868845057331200 | Oct 13 06:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz thanks, I'll take a look... | Oct 13 06:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653863273591361536 | Oct 13 06:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: European Patent Office intentionally treats patent applicants and staff unfairly: leaked documents http://t.co/LPus50A0Mr #epo @schestowitz | Oct 13 06:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: European Patent Office intentionally treats patent applicants and staff unfairly: leaked documents | Oct 13 06:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/653876445060722688 https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/653876752234774528 | Oct 13 06:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yeah, that's why no one now in South America is an "indigenist", as opposed to native-ruled USA. Oh wait... | Oct 13 06:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Tell me a single US president with a drop of Native blood. I can tell you several Mexican ones 100% Zapoteca or Mayo. | Oct 13 06:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/653884191424311298 | Oct 13 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Reminds me so much of Thatcher... | Oct 13 07:11 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686760 | Oct 13 07:22 |
| schestowitz | "Cisco is mostly good at backdoors." | Oct 13 07:22 |
| schestowitz | And intercepts | Oct 13 07:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linksys WRT router gains faster SoC, more RAM, OpenWrt http://linuxgizmos.com/linksys-wrt-gains-faster-soc-more-ram-and-openwrt/ "open source OpenWrt support out of the box." #linux | Oct 13 07:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxgizmos.com | Linksys WRT router gains faster SoC, more RAM, OpenWrt · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/o030t ] | Oct 13 07:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686759 | Oct 13 07:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Lastpass sold to LogMeIn -- should Linux users panic? http://betanews.com/2015/10/09/lastpass-sold-to-logmein-should-linux-users-panic/ No. EVERYONE should panic and quit #lastpass | Oct 13 07:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betanews.com | Lastpass sold to LogMeIn -- should Linux users panic? [ http://ur1.ca/o030x ] | Oct 13 07:23 | |
| schestowitz | "I’m using KDE Wallet and letting Iceweasel remember. I’ve done this with Chromium Browser too. KDE is the only one I really trust and it makes it easy to search and see the information so you can use it in other places." | Oct 13 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Kwallet in KF5 still too messy for me :/ waiting for bugfixes... | Oct 13 07:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697197 | Oct 13 07:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #KWrite on a platform where people hardly care about #freesw and probably will use whatever necro-Jobs gives them http://kate-editor.org/2015/10/12/kwrite-on-mac/ | Oct 13 07:24 | |
| schestowitz | "I’m sure it’s relatively easy to get KDE working on Mac, as it is a *nix." | Oct 13 07:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> kate-editor.org | KWrite on Mac | Kate | Get an Edge in Editing [ http://ur1.ca/o031q ] | Oct 13 07:24 | |
| schestowitz | There was work on it back in the days (almost a decade ago), but haven't heard of it for years (same for KDE on Windows), hence I imagine for KDE on a "Mac" you need to dual boot or wipe OSuX | Oct 13 07:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6680937 | Oct 13 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NASA Gives Back What It Took Away in the Form of Patent Monopolies for Private Gain http://techrights.org/2015/10/08/nasa-publicity-stunt/ #nasa #patents | Oct 13 07:26 | |
| schestowitz | "The model was government owned, contractor run. I think NASA’s budget went to zero, so what’s left is all private owned. I’m not close enough to know if there’s been a great theft of NASA public facilities, but it did happen to software and seems to be a general, Republican theme to “privatize” everything." | Oct 13 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | NASA Gives Back What It Took Away in the Form of Patent Monopolies for Private Gain | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nzb2q ] | Oct 13 07:27 | |
| schestowitz | Not only GOP privatise things. Sadly, on corporatism, there is a difference between radical 'free' market (GOP) and less radical 'free' market (D) | Oct 13 07:27 |
| schestowitz | "Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) what is your opinion of Sarah Sharp quitting as Linux Kernel development due to the hostile environment of the top-level Kernel Maintainers?" | Oct 13 07:34 |
| schestowitz | I wrote two responses to it http://techrights.org/2015/10/11/microsoft-sexism-lawsuits/ http://techrights.org/2015/10/07/forking-with-hypocrisy/ | Oct 13 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Don’t Look at Linux For Sexism, Look at Microsoft (Although Microsoft Hides the Newest Lawsuits) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o0355 ] | Oct 13 07:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o035a ] | Oct 13 07:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686740 | Oct 13 07:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FSF: The party is over... but the fight for freedom is ready for another thirty years http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/the-party-is-over-but-the-fight-for-freedom-is-ready-for-another-thirty-years #fsf | Oct 13 07:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org | The party is over... but the fight for freedom is ready for another thirty years — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/nyya8 ] | Oct 13 07:37 | |
| schestowitz | "Hmm, I thought the FSF announced it and I shared some of that." | Oct 13 07:37 |
| schestowitz | Hardly noticed in blogs, let alone in the media... | Oct 13 07:37 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697076 | Oct 13 07:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #france doesn't like #freespeech (forget #paris charade). France one of the worst in Europe. Blocks even sites about eating disorders. | Oct 13 07:43 | |
| schestowitz | "Unfortunatelly … I’m in shame for my country." | Oct 13 07:44 |
| schestowitz | "Sadly…" | Oct 13 07:44 |
| schestowitz | UK also pretty bad... filtered one of my sites... about FOSS! | Oct 13 07:44 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/653980142369402880 | Oct 13 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Et les français? @axellelemaire | Oct 13 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | [05:19] <cubexyz> umm, techrights seems unacessible atm | Oct 13 13:09 |
| schestowitz | too much traffic today, due to epo articles | Oct 13 13:10 |
| schestowitz | cited in the media | Oct 13 13:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/653980988079501313 | Oct 13 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Unfortunate that @johnalty1 will not be meeting staff. | Oct 13 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | just needs to know what's going on at #epo http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Oct 13 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Oct 13 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | [01:18] <msb_> MinceR is a depressed paranoid schizophrenic who refuses to get any help. | Oct 13 13:13 |
| schestowitz | No personal insults here | Oct 13 13:14 |
| schestowitz | It's counterproductive to the goals | Oct 13 13:14 |
| MinceR | none at all, no sir! | Oct 13 13:14 |
| schestowitz | and petty | Oct 13 13:14 |
| schestowitz | [01:14] <cubexyz> Russia's policy is it reserves the right to use nuclear weapons "in response to a large-scale conventional agression" | Oct 13 13:14 |
| schestowitz | [01:14] <cubexyz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use | Oct 13 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | No first use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzvwz ] | Oct 13 13:14 | |
| schestowitz | That's what the US did in Japan | Oct 13 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Even though it was already winning the war | Oct 13 13:15 |
| schestowitz | [19:13] <msb_> If you see an article on fossforce promoting DRM, add a comment to the article explaining why it's so bad. Include a link to techrights. | Oct 13 13:18 |
| schestowitz | People did this already | Oct 13 13:18 |
| schestowitz | (at the time) | Oct 13 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they even had her change her mind, who knows....? | Oct 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Oct 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | I need to catch up with linux news pretty badly... | Oct 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | spent all day on patent articles.. | Oct 13 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/653982648449167360 | Oct 13 13:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: A quick line ABOUT that, please ! https://t.co/GRjF0OfoXQ | Oct 13 13:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Before #uefi attacks on computing freedom http://t.co/dHnIe9xtxm http://t.co/qBkwRQKxS3 #intel #backdoor | Oct 13 13:21 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Perhaps you could tell MinceR to avoid personal insults like these three: "<MinceR> msb_ is a fascist who refuses to stop pushing putin's propaganda." "<MinceR> msb_ wants us all to be enslaved and/or killed by putin" " <MinceR> msb_ supports the destruction of human rights and freedoms while claiming he doesn't support that." | Oct 13 13:27 |
| MinceR | i wonder which of those lines came first | Oct 13 13:27 |
| MinceR | again, msb_ doesn't let the facts stand in the way of his argumentation | Oct 13 13:27 |
| MinceR | (wouldn't call it reasoning, as there's no reason involved) | Oct 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | msb_: you both agree on systemd | Oct 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | and I do too | Oct 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | so let's try to stay focused on tech | Oct 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | for other topic -- other IRC channels | Oct 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | it's tech-rights | Oct 13 13:38 |
| schestowitz | not russia-rights | Oct 13 13:38 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Is that directed to MinceR as well as to me, or only to me? | Oct 13 13:38 |
| schestowitz | he's not the one bringing it up | Oct 13 13:40 |
| schestowitz | it's you | Oct 13 13:40 |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: MinceR introduced Putin into a brief discussion about religion: "[10/11/15 14:19] <MinceR> yes, let's confuse agriculture with religion" "<MinceR> confusion works in putin's favor, after all" | Oct 13 13:46 |
| MinceR | religion is also not relevant to technology | Oct 13 13:46 |
| MinceR | and neither is agriculture | Oct 13 13:46 |
| MinceR | you brought both of them up | Oct 13 13:46 |
| msb_ | I brought them up after mention of the TPP, in a far-reaching statement about the control of humanity by psychopaths. | Oct 13 13:48 |
| MinceR | and yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness | Oct 13 13:50 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You have spewed out yet another lying personal attack. "<MinceR> and yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness" Please quote a statement from me to justify your lie. | Oct 13 13:53 |
| MinceR | 164837 < msb_> The men say that freedom of speech entitles game creators to make games that victimize women, and entitles game players to play and enjoy them. | Oct 13 13:54 |
| MinceR | 165029 < msb_> The problem is, that humans are programmable by speech and video, and they can be programmed into psychopath behaviors like rape, torture, and murder. | Oct 13 13:54 |
| MinceR | Some speech has consequences -- yelling "fire" in a crowded theater -- so freedom of speech requires some limitations. | Oct 13 13:54 |
| MinceR | i know you will ignore this, and i will not quote it again. | Oct 13 13:54 |
| msb_ | I went on to say that game creators and game reviewers should self-limit their creation and approval of games that victimize women. I did not in any way "come out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness", as you lied that I did. | Oct 13 13:57 |
| MinceR | the context was the UN plotting global censorship on behalf of the SJWs | Oct 13 13:58 |
| msb_ | Which is totally different from people _self-limiting speech_ that encourages attacks on women. | Oct 13 13:59 |
| MinceR | right, chilling effects, self-censorship and "socially acceptable" bullying are A-OK | Oct 13 14:01 |
| msb_ | There is also the principle that the remedy for evil speech is more speech condemning it. In this case, feminists should publicly shame those who create and approve of games that encourage the victimization of women. | Oct 13 14:02 |
| MinceR | that's better, yes | Oct 13 14:02 |
| MinceR | but that's not where the UN and the SJWs are going | Oct 13 14:02 |
| msb_ | Only governments can create "chilling effects". And public disaproval and shaming of those who encourage rape, torture and murder of women is _not_ "bullying". | Oct 13 14:03 |
| msb_ | While encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women _is_ bullying. | Oct 13 14:04 |
| MinceR | public disapproval and shaming of those who use neutral words you think are evil is bullying | Oct 13 14:05 |
| MinceR | for example: http://www.ghacks.net/2015/10/11/bro-file-extension-offensive-changed-to-br-instead/ | Oct 13 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Bro file extension offensive, changed to Br instead - gHacks Tech News [ http://ur1.ca/o07j6 ] | Oct 13 14:05 | |
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| MinceR | seeing encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women into everything also makes a fine starting point for bullying | Oct 13 14:06 |
| MinceR | bullying those who play video games because they play video games is also not acceptable | Oct 13 14:06 |
| MinceR | SJWs do the exact things they're allegedly against | Oct 13 14:06 |
| MinceR | oh, and campaigning to place women into a superior social position to men is not feminism, it's chauvinism | Oct 13 14:07 |
| MinceR | and it's no better than when it's done the other way around | Oct 13 14:07 |
| MinceR | and now, msb_ rages... | Oct 13 14:07 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Let's see how many lies you've just told: 1. "public disapproval and shaming of those who use neutral words you think are evil is bullying" The words I used were "rape, torture, and murder of women". MinceR: Do you think of these as "neutral words"? | Oct 13 14:09 |
| MinceR | how do you survive in the usa without speaking the language? | Oct 13 14:09 |
| msb_ | Lie #2: "seeing encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women into everything also makes a fine starting point for bullying". Neither I nor SJWs do this. | Oct 13 14:10 |
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| msb_ | Lie #3: "bullying those who play video games because they play video games is also not acceptable" Nobody does this. Many disapprove of playing video games that encourage the rape, torture, and murder of women. That is a _subset_ of video games, not all of them. | Oct 13 14:12 |
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| MinceR | ah, so we should ask msb_ which video games we're allowed to play | Oct 13 14:13 |
| msb_ | Lie #4: "campaigning to place women into a superior social position to men" Nobody does that. Feminists/SJW say that men should not attack women. | Oct 13 14:13 |
| MinceR | that's totally not fascist | Oct 13 14:13 |
| MinceR | apparently they also say that women should attack men | Oct 13 14:14 |
| msb_ | Lie #5 "ah, so we should ask msb_ which video games we're allowed to play" I never said that people should not be allowed to play video games that victimize women. I said they should be criticized and shamed if they do. | Oct 13 14:16 |
| MinceR | they should be bullied, fired from their jobs and jailed, but not disallowed. got it. | Oct 13 14:16 |
| msb_ | Lie #6 "they should be bullied, fired from their jobs and jailed, but not disallowed. got it." If a person tells others that he enjoys simulated rape, torture and murder of women, then people should try to discourage him (non-violently), as that may save women's lives. If an employee publicly admits such enjoyment, his employer may reasonably fire him to protect the women in the workplace. Only government can jail people. | Oct 13 14:25 |
| msb_ | Discouragement and firing are not "disallowing" the sadist from playing the games, but are making him face the reasonable consequences of publicly advocating rape, torture and murder. | Oct 13 14:25 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I have just publicly exposed and shamed you for telling six lies. Why don't you stop attacking me? | Oct 13 14:28 |
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| MinceR | you have just told a series of lies and misconceptions based on your lack of understanding of the language and the brainwashing you've received | Oct 13 14:30 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you stop crapflooding this channel? | Oct 13 14:30 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you stop diverting this channel off topic? | Oct 13 14:30 |
| MinceR | i know Roy wants to keep you around, i just can't find out why | Oct 13 14:30 |
| msb_ | MinceR: It was _you_ who crapflooded and diverted this channel with this statement out of the blue: "10:51] <MinceR> and yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness". | Oct 13 14:32 |
| msb_ | When I refuted that lie, you spewed out more lies. | Oct 13 14:35 |
| MinceR | apparently msb_ doesn't know what "flood" means either | Oct 13 14:35 |
| MinceR | you did not refute any lies | Oct 13 14:35 |
| MinceR | you spewed all the lies | Oct 13 14:35 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Why don't you restrict your attacks on me to a personal message channel? I will ignore them, and no one else will have to see them. | Oct 13 14:38 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you? | Oct 13 14:39 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you take your putinist madness to another channel? | Oct 13 14:40 |
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| msb_ | MinceR: Do you consider opposition to violence against women to be "putinist madness" ? | Oct 13 14:43 |
| MinceR | no | Oct 13 14:44 |
| MinceR | but putinist madness was the main theme of your crapflooding this channel until the UN plot for global censorship was mentioned | Oct 13 14:44 |
| MinceR | now you seem to be primarily crapflooding with SJW propaganda | Oct 13 14:45 |
| msb_ | MinceR: When you lie about me, I refute it. Then you lie about me again and I refute that one also. Then you lie again... This creates a flood. | Oct 13 14:46 |
| MinceR | no, that's not what creates a flood | Oct 13 14:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheOrderRebel/status/654005412618981378 | Oct 13 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheOrderRebel: @schestowitz @All4Privacy Kind of makes me want to get rid of my facebook...like, right now. | Oct 13 14:49 | |
| MinceR | getting rid of dumbFuckBook is always a good ide | Oct 13 14:50 |
| MinceR | a | Oct 13 14:50 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 13 14:50 |
| schestowitz | do you use wiki search? | Oct 13 14:50 |
| schestowitz | One of your links recently indicated this | Oct 13 14:51 |
| schestowitz | wikia? | Oct 13 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I still use ixquick, for now... | Oct 13 14:51 |
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| MinceR | http://ur1.ca/o08g5 | Oct 13 15:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@aral: Erdoğan: “If I was a dictator, they couldn’t insult me.” ‘Since 2015, 213 arrests for insulting the president.’ https://t.co/MwV559FJ2M | Oct 13 15:08 | |
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| schestowitz | "Yeah. I was surprised to learn that one of Nouveau’s main developers works for Intel." | Oct 13 15:41 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6699751 | Oct 13 15:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Oct 13 15:41 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654024931055828992 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654024977214144512 | Oct 13 16:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz fuck sakes, man. The first step to correcting a problem, is admitting it is a problem. Just because it exists, doesn't mean | Oct 13 16:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz that it is okay. | Oct 13 16:05 | |
| schestowitz | the problem is bigger than Linux. Sharp would be wise to take on her employer ($), Intel, for its notorious support of sexism. Linux an easy target. | Oct 13 16:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654025847037292544 | Oct 13 16:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz totally agreed. But what I mean to say is that just because it happens elsewhere, doesn't make it OK to ignore it in any case | Oct 13 16:09 | |
| schestowitz | All the debate is in Linux site, detracting and hurting the Linux brand. She didnt' quit an employer. | Oct 13 16:09 |
| schestowitz | *sites | Oct 13 16:09 |
| schestowitz | All the debate is in Linux sites, detracting and hurting the Linux brand. She didn't quit an employer. | Oct 13 16:10 |
| MinceR | just as m$, crApple and the SJW troll army wanted | Oct 13 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Cherry-picking (hypocritically) sexism and LGBT rights a common trick in foreign policy (maligning others). See the recent visit of Obama to Africa. | Oct 13 16:11 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux enables people to communicate at a much higher standard of security, therefore it must be destroyed | Oct 13 16:11 |
| MinceR | and so we have systemd, garrettux and debian 8 | Oct 13 16:11 |
| schestowitz | It's not uncommon for the US/UK to berate invaded/looted countries over women's rights | Oct 13 16:12 |
| MinceR | and various attacks on other free software projects too | Oct 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | yeah... | Oct 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | socially-engineering FOSS | Oct 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | (corporations) | Oct 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654026721876836356 | Oct 13 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz yep, ikr. But now Linux is in spotlight, can't just ignore the problems/carry on as normal, need to deal with them. | Oct 13 16:13 | |
| MinceR | (like demanding XY to be blocked from a free software project for comments made on social media that offended some people, without any offers to take over their work or contribute in any way) | Oct 13 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | who's huggi? | Oct 13 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillance | Oct 13 16:16 |
| cubexyz | if you think the Linux environment is toxic, just imagine what the Microsoft environment is like | Oct 13 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it | Oct 13 16:18 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/10/11/microsoft-sexism-lawsuits/ | Oct 13 16:18 |
| schestowitz | two days ago | Oct 13 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Don’t Look at Linux For Sexism, Look at Microsoft (Although Microsoft Hides the Newest Lawsuits) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o0355 ] | Oct 13 16:18 | |
| MinceR | i can imagine it, but it's mostly kept secret | Oct 13 16:19 |
| MinceR | so gullible people believe everything is just peachy there | Oct 13 16:19 |
| cubexyz | that Xbox incident comes to mind | Oct 13 16:19 |
| cubexyz | immature trash talk | Oct 13 16:21 |
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| cubexyz | people leave Micrsoft all the time | Oct 13 16:25 |
| cubexyz | s/Micrsoft/Microsoft/ | Oct 13 16:25 |
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| cubexyz | Mark Lukovsky comes to mind :) | Oct 13 16:27 |
| cubexyz | Ballmer was going to "bury Eric Schmidt" | Oct 13 16:29 |
| cubexyz | can't get much more toxic than Ballmer | Oct 13 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654035280370925568 | Oct 13 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Go to NZ Armageddon and get Microsoft sponsored tattoos, free! Hey @schestowitz this is right up your alley. https://t.co/pBnmSGV3eg | Oct 13 16:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PhidMcAwesome: .@retroDoomer they look pretty cool.... http://t.co/HmRpuINXzP | Oct 13 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | Next comes the virus | Oct 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Another one http://techrights.org/2015/10/13/the-rpo-tumour/ | Oct 13 16:50 |
| schestowitz | And another one on its way... working on it..... till I'm too tired. | Oct 13 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Lobbies for the Unitary Patent (UPC) and Uses This to Advance Software Patents in Europe | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o09tq ] | Oct 13 16:51 | |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: "I am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillance" Isn't this channel publicly accessible? How can there be a mole? | Oct 13 18:27 |
| msb_ | If I may counter the doom-and-gloom, Devuan Linux is already being used in alpha state, including by a person here. Once it's declared fully ready, concerns about "systemd, garrettux and debian 8" will go away. And for people who want to buy a new desktop, I've found an excellent cheap fast AMD 8-core CPU FX-8350 and a superb mobo in which UEFI/secure-boot can easily be turned off. I should soon receive info from AMD that will | Oct 13 18:46 |
| msb_ | prevent intrusions using the DASH system with a $50 SBC custom open-source router (if the FX-8350 even _has_ the DASH system). So with the help of cubexyz and others, we'll have a secure Linux and a secure platform to run it on. Life is good! | Oct 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | they won't go away | Oct 13 18:47 |
| MinceR | it will be an ongoing battle | Oct 13 18:47 |
| MinceR | especially once Linus loses control of Linux somehow | Oct 13 18:48 |
| msb_ | If he does, the current state of the kernel can simply be saved and used into the future. As to systemd, etc, there are always lousy alternatives, like windows. But all that's needed is one _good_ alternative, like Devuan, and smart people can make the good choice, and others will follow. | Oct 13 18:50 |
| MinceR | consider how microsoft kept (and still keeps) trying to keep their competition off the market | Oct 13 18:50 |
| MinceR | redcrap is already employing similar tactics | Oct 13 18:50 |
| msb_ | One can always find a dire negative possibility in anything and everything. If one focusses on that, one will be miserable and frightened. But if one focusses on the positive possibilities, and how to make them work, then life is a beautiful happy adventure. It's up to you! | Oct 13 18:53 |
| MinceR | “It’s not safe to hope for the best without preparing for the worst.” | Oct 13 18:53 |
| MinceR | we can't win the fight against lendows if we deny that the fight is happening | Oct 13 18:54 |
| msb_ | Of course you don't deny it. You present the good alternative and explain the differences. And expose the evil tactics of RedHat, etc. | Oct 13 18:55 |
| MinceR | you also need to deal with lock-in injected into applications you use | Oct 13 18:57 |
| msb_ | You have to prepare for the best, not just hope for it. | Oct 13 18:57 |
| MinceR | and of course there are and will be attacks on the free software we use | Oct 13 18:57 |
| MinceR | in part to try and prop up lendows | Oct 13 18:57 |
| msb_ | If you mean apps dependent on systemd, presumably Devuan is patching or shimming those. | Oct 13 18:58 |
| MinceR | hopefully | Oct 13 18:58 |
| MinceR | funtoo's doing that too | Oct 13 18:58 |
| MinceR | but the opposition will increase | Oct 13 18:58 |
| MinceR | look at the dirty tricks m$ has done over the years. expect redcrap to bring out all of those and some new ones too. | Oct 13 18:59 |
| msb_ | Basically Free Software _can't_ be successfully attacked! Because it's free and infinitely accessible all over the Earth. It _can't_ be suppressed! | Oct 13 18:59 |
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| MinceR | debian has already been taken away from us | Oct 13 19:00 |
| msb_ | Devuan takes all that's good in Debian and fixes the rest. | Oct 13 19:01 |
| cubexyz | my advice is to get a non-DASH motherboard | Oct 13 19:02 |
| cubexyz | for starters | Oct 13 19:02 |
| msb_ | As to "the dirty tricks m$ has done over the years", what has it gotten them? With windows 10 their company is going down the drain, severely criticized everywhere. While Linux is thriving, and as soon as Devuan is ready, Linux will be purified. | Oct 13 19:03 |
| MinceR | it has gotten them Restricted Boot | Oct 13 19:04 |
| MinceR | and the anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws aren't enforced | Oct 13 19:04 |
| MinceR | we're being locked out of our own computers | Oct 13 19:04 |
| MinceR | that's what it has gotten them | Oct 13 19:04 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: We don't know at this point whether DASH can be enabled without BIOS support. | Oct 13 19:04 |
| msb_ | MinceR: But the _actual fact_ is that Linux isn't locked out of _any_ computers. | Oct 13 19:05 |
| cubexyz | msb_, I wouldn't say that | Oct 13 19:05 |
| cubexyz | Linux is locked out on Windows ARM computers | Oct 13 19:06 |
| cubexyz | some folks are having problems disabling secure boot | Oct 13 19:06 |
| msb_ | Yes, we talked about that and you said their bios was not up to date. | Oct 13 19:07 |
| cubexyz | that's part of it | Oct 13 19:07 |
| cubexyz | do you think Linux is going to be easily loadable on that new Microsoft Laptop? | Oct 13 19:07 |
| cubexyz | it's dubious at best | Oct 13 19:07 |
| msb_ | brb You guys can piss and moan among yourselves. | Oct 13 19:07 |
| msb_ | So never buy anything from microshit. Doctor, it hurts when I go like this. So don't go like that! | Oct 13 19:08 |
| cubexyz | you still need to be aware of the situation | Oct 13 19:09 |
| cubexyz | people need to know what to avoid | Oct 13 19:09 |
| msb_ | Yep, and its up to us to tell them. We are the heroes we've been waiting for! | Oct 13 19:09 |
| cubexyz | we don't really know what the exactly situation is for surface books | Oct 13 19:10 |
| cubexyz | eventually hackers will find a way though | Oct 13 19:10 |
| cubexyz | how difficult it will be, that's the question | Oct 13 19:10 |
| msb_ | So, there's one kind of new computer that people should avoid. Big Deal. | Oct 13 19:11 |
| cubexyz | if someone asks me if they can run Linux on surface book, I don't have an answer | Oct 13 19:11 |
| msb_ | Yes you do. Tell them to buy something else instead. | Oct 13 19:12 |
| MinceR | afaik winblows x86 tablets tend to have a broken 32bit uefi implementation that tends to make it an even greater pain in the ass to run linux on them | Oct 13 19:12 |
| cubexyz | I say buy MSI, Gigabyte or Chromebooks | Oct 13 19:13 |
| cubexyz | maybe Tyan, still researching that | Oct 13 19:13 |
| msb_ | ASUS is good too. | Oct 13 19:13 |
| MinceR | also, the reason m$ didn't completely kill gnu/linux is that we the people opposed them | Oct 13 19:14 |
| cubexyz | I managed to get some good search done on Award BIOS last night, made some good progress | Oct 13 19:15 |
| MinceR | for the same reason, we'll need to oppose redcrap as well | Oct 13 19:15 |
| cubexyz | s/search/research/ | Oct 13 19:15 |
| msb_ | Make sure that when you make a recommendation, you clearly and fully tell them how fast it runs. Many people want a fast computer, and if you send those toward a slow one they will be very pissed and will hate Linux. | Oct 13 19:16 |
| cubexyz | for distros I'm going Q4OS, OpenBSD, AntiX, etc | Oct 13 19:16 |
| cubexyz | you can get an i7 chromebook if you want | Oct 13 19:17 |
| msb_ | We need a non-systemd distro that has a large staff so it can keep up with the latest apps, which people want. | Oct 13 19:17 |
| cubexyz | personally I think it's too expensive, but some folks got money so... | Oct 13 19:17 |
| msb_ | Many folks have limited money. | Oct 13 19:17 |
| msb_ | brb | Oct 13 19:17 |
| cubexyz | chromebooks have a sub-$300 option | Oct 13 19:18 |
| cubexyz | it's affordable | Oct 13 19:18 |
| cubexyz | there's no DASH | Oct 13 19:18 |
| cubexyz | coreboot firmware | Oct 13 19:18 |
| cubexyz | I have customers I never thought in a million years would use Linux, but they seem to like chromebooks | Oct 13 19:19 |
| cubexyz | that's a huge shift in thinking | Oct 13 19:19 |
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| MinceR | we seem to have lost a lot of staff to cancerd | Oct 13 19:21 |
| cubexyz | there's three different tiers: | Oct 13 19:23 |
| cubexyz | hardware | Oct 13 19:23 |
| cubexyz | BIOS | Oct 13 19:23 |
| cubexyz | Operating System | Oct 13 19:24 |
| cubexyz | you really need to know all three to get the most of out of one's computer | Oct 13 19:24 |
| cubexyz | I'm still learning stuff about my Tyan motherboard from 1998 | Oct 13 19:25 |
| cubexyz | I thought msb_ would like Q4OS since it comes with trinity repos | Oct 13 19:28 |
| cubexyz | seems a decent choice | Oct 13 19:28 |
| cubexyz | but not for very old hardware (14 years or more) | Oct 13 19:28 |
| cubexyz | assuming you have a P4 or faster, it's OK | Oct 13 19:29 |
| cubexyz | on the BSD side, OpenBSD or PC-BSD | Oct 13 19:30 |
| MinceR | no netbsd? | Oct 13 19:30 |
| cubexyz | not sure what the status is for netbsd to be honest | Oct 13 19:32 |
| cubexyz | The advantage of NetBSD used to be that it ran on everything | Oct 13 19:32 |
| MinceR | afaik its advantages also include virtualization, LKM support and no consorting with launchd and similar garbage | Oct 13 19:33 |
| cubexyz | it's not the leanest distro out there, but if you have 24 megs of ram or more it's OK | Oct 13 19:35 |
| cubexyz | OpenBSD focuses more on security, NetBSD focuses more on portability | Oct 13 19:37 |
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| cubexyz | do I recommend people running Linux and BSD, depending on the situation? Definitely | Oct 13 19:38 |
| cubexyz | for non-x86 NetBSD is probably the best choice | Oct 13 19:41 |
| MinceR | afaik linux still runs on more architectures than netbsd | Oct 13 19:42 |
| MinceR | but if redcrap has their way, this will change | Oct 13 19:42 |
| cubexyz | PC-BSD is strictly x86-64 | Oct 13 19:42 |
| cubexyz | didn't redhat already drop a bunch of architectures? | Oct 13 19:44 |
| MinceR | dunno, debian started dropping stuff left and right ever since they decided they'll force systemd on their users | Oct 13 19:45 |
| cubexyz | hard to keep away from x86 :) | Oct 13 19:48 |
| cubexyz | there's ARM based chromebooks of course | Oct 13 19:49 |
| cubexyz | did you know that chromium OS is based on Gentoo? | Oct 13 19:50 |
| cubexyz | http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-secret-origins-of-googles-chrome-os/ | Oct 13 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | The secret origins of Google's Chrome OS | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/o0cpf ] | Oct 13 19:52 | |
| cubexyz | Google liked Portage it seems | Oct 13 19:56 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: How big is the Q4OS staff? Do they keep up with the latest apps? | Oct 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | [23:27] <msb_> schestowitz: "I am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillance" Isn't this channel publicly accessible? How can there be a mole? | Oct 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Real time | Oct 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | i know for a fact they read logs | Oct 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | based on leaked information | Oct 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | but I don't want them to see what's planned in real time | Oct 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | as it can help them crush the staff | Oct 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | (i use alternative channels for EPO-related comms) | Oct 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | If we derail EPO, whose special partner turns out to be Microsoft (in IT and as kickbacking applicant), we can stop Microsoft amassing software patents to attack Linux in Europe | Oct 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I think we're winning two battles here | Oct 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | one against software patents | Oct 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | and another against the criminals (MicrosofT) | Oct 13 20:14 |
| msb_ | How can you tell who is here? There are two Guestxxxx. | Oct 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | maybe they are staff lurking | Oct 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | so either way, there are unknowns here | Oct 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | there are often moles infiltrating staff unions | Oct 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | to spy, to bust, or to act of provocatuers | Oct 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | *eurs | Oct 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | I think i have a big target on my arse right now | Oct 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | big protest tomorrow in munich and I'm the main source the staff is citing for info, along perhaps with IP Kat | Oct 13 20:16 |
| cubexyz | Q4OS is based on Debian Wheezy, and they even offer preinstalled computers with Q4OS and paid support | Oct 13 20:17 |
| msb_ | More important -- look out for your personal safety. Watch for cars following you, etc. Remember, the govts/corps have murdered millions in the last 15 years alone. | Oct 13 20:17 |
| cubexyz | no idea how many people are behind it | Oct 13 20:17 |
| cubexyz | http://www.q4os.org/shop/ | Oct 13 20:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.q4os.org | Q4OS Store | Oct 13 20:17 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Bullet-proof vest might be a good idea. | Oct 13 20:18 |
| MinceR | combat armor | Oct 13 20:18 |
| cubexyz | I've largely done my own support of FC1 since 2003 so the support thing isn't a big deal to me | Oct 13 20:19 |
| cubexyz | certain project maintainers still support the old stuff, at least security-wise | Oct 13 20:19 |
| cubexyz | Q4OS does have fixes for problems that were in KDE 3.5.10 | Oct 13 20:20 |
| schestowitz | msb_: lol | Oct 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | leave that to battistelli | Oct 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | he has had personal bodyguards for a while | Oct 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | more than one | Oct 13 20:25 |
| MinceR | power armor would be nice | Oct 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | I have my alibi (rianne) | Oct 13 20:30 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 13 20:30 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: the democratic debate intro was literally a professional sports intro | Oct 13 21:02 |
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| MinceR | :) | Oct 13 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | XFaCE: do who 'won'? | Oct 13 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Did that arse, Clinton, lose the crowd to Sanders? | Oct 13 21:47 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: dunno, stopped watching after ROFLOL at that intro | Oct 13 21:49 |
| MinceR | did they invite Lessig at all? | Oct 13 21:50 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: also the canadian election has given me an allergy to debates | Oct 13 21:50 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 13 21:50 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: I'm sure Trinity DE will have a version for Devuan when it's ready. Did not get any docs from AMD re DASH, past their deadline, will call them again tomorrow. | Oct 14 00:12 |
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| msb_ | Wow, the latest version of handbrake, built 2 months ago, is in the repo for my 4 year old Linux! It didn't get installed in the menu, but I found the program and can call it from a bash script, and the docs are on the Web. I should be able to compress 1GB 720p videos down to perfectly watchable 250MB 360p ones. Let's see if it can convert them as fast as I can watch them...8^) | Oct 14 04:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bagaar/status/654211878537658368 | Oct 14 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bagaar: Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (@schestowitz): Norwegian Financial Institution VPS Modernizes IT with #OpenShift... http://t.co/637aPioCkr | Oct 14 05:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businesswire.com | Norwegian Financial Institution VPS Modernizes IT with OpenShift Enterprise by Red Hat | Business Wire | Oct 14 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | Wow https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654221318217449472 | Oct 14 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz just got an email from someone that the EPO has blocked my latest post, allegedly per presidential order | Oct 14 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/654221369459240961 | Oct 14 05:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: or using "StingRay" IMSI catchers https://t.co/F746TGcFjl | Oct 14 05:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: To >effectively< ban #techrights access at the #epo the Battistelli Gang will need to confiscate the smartphones (3/4G) of >all< staff. | Oct 14 05:14 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe the #epo consultants at @Control_Risks can phone up their mates in the US and UK to send some #stingray over to Munich... | Oct 14 05:15 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/slothygeek/status/654229749796106240 | Oct 14 05:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@slothygeek: Hello @schestowitz I made a list of 6 Raspberry Pi Youtube channels for beginners. Check out and comment please :) http://t.co/HUh8NmJc5F | Oct 14 05:42 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/h4ck3rm1k3/status/654255525878726656 | Oct 14 07:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@h4ck3rm1k3: @schestowitz I switched back to #debian a long time ago and am very happy. | Oct 14 07:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JayVuppuluri/status/654256779598143488 | Oct 14 07:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JayVuppuluri: RT https://t.co/P3s38oOJfn | Oct 14 07:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The University of Manchester, where I studied, is now attacking #freespeech http://t.co/YsZCB2Hp8J http://t.co/1fOOqmFinO #gop | Oct 14 07:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/h4ck3rm1k3/status/654261136737587200 | Oct 14 07:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@h4ck3rm1k3: @schestowitz How do you post to all these networks automatically? | Oct 14 07:48 | |
| schestowitz | I just post to diaspora, which then sends a copy to twitter... | Oct 14 07:48 |
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| msb_ | I used handbrake to convert a 926MB 720p video to a 370MB 360p. Took 30 minutes and result was great! Heated both cores to 70C. Maybe if I blow the dust out again,.. | Oct 14 08:01 |
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| msb_ | great. To make an x265 -- half the size -- it's gonna take more than 8 hours. That | Oct 14 08:17 |
| msb_ | That's why people need 8 cores. | Oct 14 08:18 |
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| msb_ | Back to mp4, 540x304, 25 minutes. Should be 260MB. | Oct 14 08:41 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/654327848111501312 | Oct 14 12:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Has 'feminism' become a reactionary vehicle for to push state interests such as censorship and imprisonment? https://t.co/WF4UPrSUx6 | Oct 14 12:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HuffPostUK: 'Inviting Assange to speak is an affront to those frequently silenced' - @charchorley blogs http://t.co/fGTDlO1MCn http://t.co/g9ySGv7K5c | Oct 14 12:20 | |
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| msb_ | Nothing yet from AMD regarding DASH. Cust svc says should rcv by tomorrow. | Oct 14 14:37 |
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| msb_ | Please donate to Trinity project to keep one good DE alive. They need $ to pay for build farm, etc. https://www.trinitydesktop.org/donate.php | Oct 14 14:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How SUSE Linux Makes Use Of Btrfs Rollbacks | Tux Machines | Oct 14 14:49 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BeagleBoard-x15 to arrive in time for holiday hacking | Tux Machines | Oct 14 14:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to Android | Oct 14 15:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to Android | Tux Machines | Oct 14 15:03 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Asus ZenPad 8.0 (Z380KL) Review: Flying the | Oct 14 15:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Reverting to Gnome Scroll Bars | Oct 14 15:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu: New 15.04 stable release | Oct 14 15:39 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | November 18, 2015 http://t.co/pKYaXB8WZz | Oct 14 15:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | FFmpeg 2.8.1 "Feynman" Arrives with Multiple Fixes - Softpedia | Oct 14 16:58 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Krita 2.9.8 http://t.co/jqopFlQn4j | Oct 14 17:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 2.9.8 | Tux Machines | Oct 14 17:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13% | Oct 14 17:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13% | Tux Machines | Oct 14 17:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SFLC Confronts FCC, OSI Supports GPL | Oct 14 17:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enforcement Principles http://t.co/tjRDRsCjbW | Oct 14 17:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 14 17:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SFLC Confronts FCC, OSI Supports GPL Enforcement Principles | Tux Machines | Oct 14 17:35 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704042 | Oct 14 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ubuntu 15.10 Might Ship with a Couple of Annoying Trash-Related Bugs http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-10-might-ship-with-a-couple-of-annoying-trash-related-bugs-494518.shtml #gnu #linux | Oct 14 17:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Might Ship with a Couple of Annoying Trash-Related Bugs - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/o0uwz ] | Oct 14 17:41 | |
| schestowitz | "Deception on Ubuntu 15.10 until now… http://libuntu.net/2015/10/11/hasta-los-momentos-ubuntu-15-10-decepciona/ " | Oct 14 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libuntu.net | Hasta los momentos, Ubuntu 15.10 decepciona | Libuntu - Linux, OpenSource, Software Libre y Mas [ http://ur1.ca/o0ux1 ] | Oct 14 17:42 | |
| cubexyz | the official word from Linus on BIOS: | Oct 14 18:03 |
| cubexyz | - the BIOS is written mostly in assembly - the BIOS is tested exclusively with DOS and Windows - most BIOS writers appear to simply be incompetent, or just not care. | Oct 14 18:03 |
| cubexyz | so yes, Linux tries very hard to avoid BIOS calls | Oct 14 18:03 |
| cubexyz | but Linux does not avoid BIOS calls all together | Oct 14 18:04 |
| cubexyz | some are still used | Oct 14 18:04 |
| cubexyz | however, Linux also does a few things wrong which the BIOS does correctly | Oct 14 18:05 |
| cubexyz | the real trick is knowing which one is right, it differs from case to case | Oct 14 18:05 |
| XFaCE | yo schestowitz | Oct 14 18:16 |
| XFaCE | funny on the sarah sharp follow-up articles | Oct 14 18:17 |
| XFaCE | the guy who "agreed" with you, completely missed the point entirely | Oct 14 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | who? | Oct 14 18:27 |
| schestowitz | gamergate not mentioned? | Oct 14 18:28 |
| XFaCE | http://ostatic.com/blog/linux-discussion-continues-fedora-welcomes-chromium | Oct 14 18:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Linux Discussion Continues, Fedora Welcomes Chromium [ http://ur1.ca/o0vl4 ] | Oct 14 18:29 | |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: "He agreed with Dr. Roy Schestowitz in that all this is a "PR nightmare" threatening the "flagship of the open-source movement." He placed part of the blame on what he calls the "Internet of hate"" | Oct 14 18:29 |
| XFaCE | he took your comments out of context and made you look like you agreed with increasing political correctness basically | Oct 14 18:30 |
| XFaCE | even though you said specifically | Oct 14 18:30 |
| XFaCE | ""This outburst against Linux has nothing to do with women’s rights or manners. There is no threat of violence (as once alleged) and there is no language directly offensive to women (no more than it can be offensive to men). Some people have too thin a skin, especially where free speech is highly valued."" | Oct 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | right... | Oct 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | but never mind that... it's old news | Oct 14 18:30 |
| schestowitz | just got a tuxmanchines comment on this article | Oct 14 18:31 |
| schestowitz | e "Internet of hate"" | Oct 14 18:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rust programming language for speed, safety, | Oct 14 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and concurrency http://t.co/tYDcqXkXqE | Oct 14 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 14 18:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rust programming language for speed, safety, and concurrency | Tux Machines | Oct 14 18:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Oct 14 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/I2tVhXeIaK (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 14 18:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Tux Machines | Oct 14 18:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux | Oct 14 18:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Foundation, New CentOS http://t.co/saaNaWR79b | Oct 14 18:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Oct 14 18:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux Foundation, New CentOS | Techrights | Oct 14 18:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BeagleBoard-x15 to arrive in time for holiday | Oct 14 18:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | hacking http://t.co/twElpn4qFh | Oct 14 18:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Oct 14 18:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | BeagleBoard-X15 to arrive in time for holiday hacking · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 14 18:50 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to Android | Oct 14 18:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/vw7ilsAGi0 (www.yahoo.com) | Oct 14 18:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.yahoo.com | 6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to Android | Oct 14 18:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially Adding | Oct 14 18:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PlayOnLinux http://t.co/1V91xtoPhC | Oct 14 18:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Oct 14 18:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially Adding PlayOnLinux - Phoronix | Oct 14 18:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Oct 14 18:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WxhlBWlVFJ (www.linuxinsider.com) | Oct 14 18:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Oct 14 18:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines North Americans Love /Linux ON THE DESKTOP | Oct 14 18:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/qpjDwhfby3 (mrpogson.com) "/Linux | Oct 14 18:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | has ~5% share." | Oct 14 18:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | North Americans Love */Linux ON THE DESKTOP | Robert Pogson | Oct 14 18:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mangaka Chu Out Now as an Ubuntu | Oct 14 18:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Derivative for Anime and Manga Fans | Oct 14 18:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JlbnDqyTKO (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 14 18:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | NO TITLE | Oct 14 18:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsbarretto/status/654429905548132352 | Oct 14 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jsbarretto: @schestowitz But rising. Mobile market takeover too. There is no "year of Linux desktop", it's happening being the scenes. Look at Android. | Oct 14 18:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Software 3.18.1 Now Downloads Firmware | Oct 14 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Metadata Signatures Once Per Day | Oct 14 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/57w3xjLrrp (linux.softpedia.com) | Oct 14 19:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | NO TITLE | Oct 14 19:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qseven module runs Linux on Bay Trail, targets | Oct 14 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | industrial apps http://t.co/aP0QBclKZg | Oct 14 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Oct 14 19:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Qseven module runs Linux on Bay Trail, targets industrial apps · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 14 19:01 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Mangaka Chu Out Now as an Ubuntu...' | Oct 14 19:01 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Software 3.18.1 Now Downloads Firmware Metadata Signatures...' | Oct 14 19:01 | |
| MinceR | http://www.itworld.com/article/2990861/linux/linux-sarah-sharp-defines-what-makes-a-good-community.html | Oct 14 19:12 |
| MinceR | http://www.itworld.com/article/2989588/linux/linux-is-sarah-sharp-a-social-justice-warrior.html | Oct 14 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Linux: Sarah Sharp defines what makes a good community | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o0w7d ] | Oct 14 19:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Linux: Is Sarah Sharp a Social Justice Warrior? | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o0w7f ] | Oct 14 19:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What I learned while securing Ubuntu | Oct 14 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LP1OWJt5BI (major.io) | Oct 14 19:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-major.io | What I learned while securing Ubuntu - major.io | Oct 14 19:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines It Walks like Windows, It Talks like Windows, | Oct 14 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | but Q4OS 1.4.3 Is a Linux Distro | Oct 14 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/4iNphYf8cC (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 14 19:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | NO TITLE | Oct 14 19:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark | Oct 14 19:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Brown http://t.co/YwqenxjJq3 (www.linux.com) | Oct 14 19:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark Brown | Linux.com | Oct 14 19:14 | |
| cubexyz | update on listening to CBC Radio on Linux: | Oct 14 19:28 |
| cubexyz | http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/search?q=CBC | Oct 14 19:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca | Notes on Linux | Oct 14 19:28 | |
| schestowitz | The Telegraph seems to have shut off its content. So it's unlikely I'll | Oct 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | have any links to forward from them for the foreseeable future." | Oct 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | iophk | Oct 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | didn't notice this issue | Oct 14 19:37 |
| MinceR | http://www.preining.info/blog/2015/10/looking-at-the-facts-sarah-sharps-crusade/ | Oct 14 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Looking at the facts: Sarah Sharp’s crusade | There and back again [ http://ur1.ca/o0wlh ] | Oct 14 19:43 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2015/10/13/tale-of-the-tape-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders | Oct 14 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Tale of the Tape: Hillary Clinton vs. Bernie Sanders | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/o0wud ] | Oct 14 20:01 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704875 | Oct 14 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Oct 14 20:12 | |
| schestowitz | "old and busted" | Oct 14 20:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fqxjv/status/654449282976628737 | Oct 14 20:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fqxjv: No, Hillary, Snowden did not have whistleblower protections http://t.co/AbqQEKIHb3 MT @schestowitz Spying & Fatherland Security are exempt | Oct 14 20:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.motherjones.com | No, Hillary, Edward Snowden Didn't Have Whistleblower Protections | Mother Jones | Oct 14 20:14 | |
| schestowitz | So now it will become another Maxim. I do not understand. In Japan they take care of covering pubic hair for their photos. What would stop them to have a non nude for the Chinese market and a “regular” one for the US one. | Oct 14 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I think that Maxim and the ones from the same ilk are cannibalizing sales, than a problem with China. IMHO. | Oct 14 20:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704889 | Oct 14 20:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #China —not online porn—is why #Playboy is dumping nude photographs http://qz.com/522672/china-not-online-porn-is-why-playboy-is-dumping-nude-photographs/ | Oct 14 20:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> qz.com | China—not online porn—is why Playboy is dumping nude photographs - Quartz [ http://ur1.ca/o0x0x ] | Oct 14 20:16 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 14 20:16 |
| schestowitz | So now it will become another Maxim. I do not understand. In Japan they take care of covering pubic hair for their photos. What would stop them to have a non nude for the Chinese market and a “regular” one for the US one. | Oct 14 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I think that Maxim and the ones from the same ilk are cannibalizing sales, than a problem with China. IMHO. | Oct 14 20:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 14 20:16 |
| schestowitz | censoring bodies | Oct 14 20:16 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: censoring *everything | Oct 14 20:20 |
| cubexyz | regarding the Microsoft is being sneaky article... | Oct 14 20:21 |
| cubexyz | I always tell people if you must run windows then have separate computers for windows and linux | Oct 14 20:22 |
| cubexyz | don't try to run both on the same computer | Oct 14 20:22 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: "internet of hate", ugh | Oct 14 20:22 |
| XFaCE | fear monger everywhere \o/ | Oct 14 20:23 |
| cubexyz | on the other hand, I've never had a problem running FreeDOS and Linux on the same machine | Oct 14 20:24 |
| cubexyz | or Plan 9 and Linux | Oct 14 20:24 |
| XFaCE | cubexyz: what's Plan 9 like in modern times? | Oct 14 20:25 |
| cubexyz | it's pretty stagnant actually | Oct 14 20:26 |
| cubexyz | only works well on older hardware | Oct 14 20:26 |
| cubexyz | but I have older hardware, so no big problem | Oct 14 20:26 |
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| XFaCE | so a good 2005 OS? :P | Oct 14 20:27 |
| cubexyz | put it in a similar cateogory to ReactOS, AROS, and other research OSes | Oct 14 20:27 |
| XFaCE | ah | Oct 14 20:27 |
| cubexyz | I would probably say older than that | Oct 14 20:27 |
| cubexyz | use a computer with PS/2 ports for keyboard and mouse for sure | Oct 14 20:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Final Freeze https://t.co/SrF4L9lc6X | Oct 14 21:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux | Oct 14 21:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Foundation, New CentOS http://t.co/saaNaWR79b | Oct 14 21:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (techrights.org) | Oct 14 21:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux Foundation, New CentOS | Techrights | Oct 14 21:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/AmuzigNa8L | Oct 14 21:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Oct 14 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/S8dyPzGTYb | Oct 14 21:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 14 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark | Oct 14 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Brown http://t.co/UPdRde92d9 | Oct 14 21:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark Brown | Tux Machines | Oct 14 21:22 | |
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| cubexyz | some baseline info on vPro: | Oct 14 23:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.howtogeek.com/56538/how-to-remotely-control-your-pc-even-when-it-crashes/ | Oct 14 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | How to Remotely Control Your PC (Even When it Crashes) [ http://ur1.ca/o0z5j ] | Oct 14 23:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Free, open source alternatives to LastPass | Oct 14 23:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0EbOb3mQcg (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 14 23:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free, open source alternatives to LastPass | Tux Machines | Oct 14 23:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why open source is a safe choice for agencies | Oct 14 23:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/NaS7oHm4ZO (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 14 23:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why open source is a safe choice for agencies | Tux Machines | Oct 14 23:09 | |
| cubexyz | msb_, note you can get some info about vPro in the Ivy Bridge section | Oct 14 23:11 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Thanks! But at this point I'm focussing on AMD. | Oct 14 23:13 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/amd-dashconfig.pdf | Oct 14 23:18 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Amazing that howtogeek thinks AMT is a _good_ thing! | Oct 14 23:18 |
| cubexyz | the bad outweights the good I'd say | Oct 14 23:19 |
| cubexyz | it's like when major power plants started adding remote access to control panels | Oct 14 23:19 |
| cubexyz | they used be operated by physical switches only | Oct 14 23:19 |
| cubexyz | I guess if there was a bad crash and you wanted to remotely restart a computer, it could be useful | Oct 14 23:21 |
| cubexyz | but I don't think I ever want to reflash the BIOS remotely | Oct 14 23:22 |
| msb_ | You saw the page I found that explains how to wipe the hard drive remotely? | Oct 14 23:22 |
| cubexyz | no, I don't think I saw that | Oct 14 23:23 |
| cubexyz | probably a stolen laptop scenario | Oct 14 23:24 |
| msb_ | https://community.amd.com/ideas/1115 | Oct 14 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-community.amd.com | Remote Diskwipe Solution for IT Administrator | Community | Oct 14 23:24 | |
| cubexyz | is there a way to remove that facebook/twitter/print thing? | Oct 14 23:27 |
| msb_ | I think that very few people are 1. aware of the murderous psychopathy of the US government and its motivation to kill Net communication and 2. knowledgeable about methods it could do that like AMT and DASH. | Oct 14 23:27 |
| cubexyz | actually there was a WNED show about the NSA and stuxnet on TV tonight | Oct 14 23:28 |
| msb_ | Good, but people think things like stuxnet would never apply to them. | Oct 14 23:28 |
| cubexyz | but mostly it was presented in way that made NSA look like the good guys | Oct 14 23:28 |
| cubexyz | even had a Snowden interview about 'cyberwar' | Oct 14 23:29 |
| msb_ | Yeah. Israel has 400 nukes and has been committing genocide for 50 years, but preventing Iran from having one nuke is portrayed as good. | Oct 14 23:29 |
| cubexyz | ah, found a way to hide it | Oct 14 23:29 |
| msb_ | What are you talking about? | Oct 14 23:30 |
| cubexyz | there was a vertical strip on the left side of that community amd page you posted | Oct 14 23:30 |
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| cubexyz | maybe your browser is blocking it automatically | Oct 14 23:30 |
| msb_ | No. How did you do it? | Oct 14 23:31 |
| msb_ | It blocks some of the text. | Oct 14 23:31 |
| cubexyz | at the bottom there's a tiny greyish triangle | Oct 14 23:32 |
| cubexyz | click it and it hides the strip | Oct 14 23:32 |
| cubexyz | there's also another triangle higher up that brings it back | Oct 14 23:32 |
| msb_ | I don't see that. At the bottom is a cartoon of a printer. | Oct 14 23:34 |
| cubexyz | the bottom of the strip :) | Oct 14 23:35 |
| cubexyz | you may need to hover the mouse just under the print icon to see it | Oct 14 23:35 |
| msb_ | Got it! Had to use kmag to see it. | Oct 14 23:35 |
| msb_ | Very faint grey. | Oct 14 23:36 |
| cubexyz | exactly | Oct 14 23:36 |
| msb_ | I loathe social media! | Oct 14 23:36 |
| cubexyz | I don't like facebook, but all my old friends are on it | Oct 14 23:37 |
| cubexyz | note that DASH can view a BIOS screen remotely | Oct 14 23:38 |
| cubexyz | lots of scary potential | Oct 14 23:39 |
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| msb_ | Very few computer-savvy people are capable of understanding that the US govt destr0yed Afgh. Iraq, Libya, half of Syria, installed a Nazi govt in Ukraine, and murdered 2,000,000 people, all since 2001. Their eyes just glaze over and they change the subject. It's like they're under a post-hypnotic suggestion. They _can't_ think about it. | Oct 14 23:45 |
| msb_ | Anyhow that pdf on DASH is gold! The xml schemas toward the end even seem to have a port number. Maybe filtering out packets with that port# would do it! | Oct 14 23:47 |
| msb_ | Thanks! | Oct 14 23:47 |
| msb_ | It's gonna take me a while to study it though. Just the fact that it's all about windows programs makes me want to puke. | Oct 14 23:54 |
| cubexyz | Linus himself has remarked that BIOS development is windows-centric to a large degree | Oct 14 23:55 |
| cubexyz | of course, older BIOSes were DOS-centric | Oct 14 23:55 |
| msb_ | Here's a yahoo group: Necromocracy ! | Oct 14 23:57 |
| cubexyz | just for fun I'm going to have a look at http://award-bios.com | Oct 15 00:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-award-bios.com | Award Software and Phoenix Technologies Have Merged | Oct 15 00:00 | |
| msb_ | Found it: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/necromocracy/conversations/messages | Oct 15 00:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.yahoo.com | Yahoo! Groups [ http://ur1.ca/o0zoi ] | Oct 15 00:04 | |
| cubexyz | bad hackers could attack the firmware of your CDROM | Oct 15 00:11 |
| cubexyz | I think Dragos was talking about that | Oct 15 00:11 |
| cubexyz | the other thing I didn't like was the region code thing... you could change it half a dozen times then it gets locked | Oct 15 00:12 |
| msb_ | I guess once bad hackers get in (and the govt are the worst) they can change anything changeable. | Oct 15 00:13 |
| msb_ | A typical scenario the US govt could do, following from their actions in Ukraine and Syria, is to blow off a nuke somewhere in the US and say that Russia did it, and then kill the Internet and all computers so that researchers and honest news sources couldn't talk about it. | Oct 15 00:17 |
| cubexyz | ransomware :) | Oct 15 00:17 |
| cubexyz | I even know people who have paid the ransom | Oct 15 00:17 |
| msb_ | This would be much worse. | Oct 15 00:17 |
| cubexyz | killing the whole internet would be pretty hard to do | Oct 15 00:18 |
| cubexyz | satellite/wifi/ethernet/3G/everything... | Oct 15 00:18 |
| msb_ | The govt controls the top-level domain servers. Remember, they killed that guy who tried to stop it. | Oct 15 00:18 |
| msb_ | Then they could kill every computer they could via AMT and DASH. And of course the microshit botnet. | Oct 15 00:19 |
| msb_ | Wht | Oct 15 00:20 |
| msb_ | Whatever was left they could just take over with a few soldiers. | Oct 15 00:20 |
| cubexyz | there's always AX.25 | Oct 15 00:21 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure they probably could knock out a lot of the internet | Oct 15 00:21 |
| msb_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel | Oct 15 00:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jon Postel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 15 00:25 | |
| msb_ | Died at the age of 55, 9 months after trying to get control of the root servers away from the US necromocracy. | Oct 15 00:26 |
| msb_ | We lost World War Z about a hundred years ago. | Oct 15 00:27 |
| cubexyz | there was something about complications from heart surgery | Oct 15 00:27 |
| msb_ | Yeah, fascist political complications. | Oct 15 00:29 |
| cubexyz | doesn't seem to be much info about it | Oct 15 00:29 |
| msb_ | Don't worry, it was just a coincidence, nothing to see here, move on. | Oct 15 00:29 |
| msb_ | Somebody just walked past him, sprayed an aerosol in his face, and kept walking. That's all it would take. | Oct 15 00:30 |
| cubexyz | ok, he actually died on the operating table, I wasn't sure about that | Oct 15 00:30 |
| cubexyz | did you know that Postel was opposed by NSI? | Oct 15 00:31 |
| msb_ | The poison would have given him the heart problem to start with. | Oct 15 00:31 |
| cubexyz | and the NSI were well connected with washington defense contractors? | Oct 15 00:31 |
| msb_ | The psychopaths are all interconnected. They are predatory aliens in human bodies, and their prey is the human race. | Oct 15 00:32 |
| cubexyz | check these names: | Oct 15 00:32 |
| cubexyz | Ira Magaziner and Becky Burr | Oct 15 00:33 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, Ira didn't seem too nice | Oct 15 00:34 |
| cubexyz | interesting nickname: | Oct 15 00:35 |
| cubexyz | "Hillary's Rasputin" :) | Oct 15 00:35 |
| msb_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computers,_Freedom_and_Privacy_Conference Becky Burr, head of the Commerce Department unit overseeing many Internet issues | Oct 15 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Computers, Freedom and Privacy Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/o0zzh ] | Oct 15 00:37 | |
| cubexyz | it definitely sounded like a bork-up of the public trust | Oct 15 00:38 |
| msb_ | "Public trust" is a total charade. Americans are given just enough to enable them to survive (mostly), but without spare time or money to investigage and organize. The Internet is changing that, but you can see all the malware and propaganda that are being used to prevent people from using it. | Oct 15 00:42 |
| msb_ | Talk about rt.com or globalresearch.ca, even here, and blammo! | Oct 15 00:43 |
| msb_ | The power of the Bernays method is enormous. Not just "what you tell me three times is true", but what you tell me 3,000 times is absolute fact that can never be questioned. | Oct 15 00:45 |
| msb_ | The monsters have defense in depth. | Oct 15 00:45 |
| msb_ | I don't know how we've survived this long. It's as if there is some invisible force opposing and limiting them. | Oct 15 00:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian GNU/Linux Jessie, Wheezy and Sid Receive | Oct 15 00:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Linux Kernel Updates http://t.co/0nrO8EJpXD | Oct 15 00:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 00:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux Jessie, Wheezy and Sid Receive New Linux Kernel Updates | Tux Machines | Oct 15 00:47 | |
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| msb_ | Hillary Clinton, the gleeful murderer of Gaddafi and Libya, will probably be elected president. Or the lunatic Donald tRump. | Oct 15 00:50 |
| cubexyz | I'll have to have a look at rt.com later | Oct 15 00:50 |
| msb_ | If you don't get it on cable tv, I'm sure they are streaming constantly over the web. | Oct 15 00:51 |
| msb_ | I have it on cable! | Oct 15 00:51 |
| cubexyz | it's Bell Satellite, not that I'm a big fan of Bell :-P | Oct 15 00:53 |
| cubexyz | we have a bit of a duopoly here | Oct 15 00:53 |
| cubexyz | no, I don't get Russia Today | Oct 15 00:54 |
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| msb_ | There are stories on the rt.com homepage, and each of the weekly shows here: https://www.rt.com/shows/ has its own page listing recent shows with links to downloadable videos. | Oct 15 01:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Shows — RT | Oct 15 01:00 | |
| msb_ | Watching the Hawks, The Big Picture, Crosstalk are particularly good. | Oct 15 01:01 |
| msb_ | Despite what we've been told, very little of it has to do with, er, the P-man. | Oct 15 01:02 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: There's a where-to-watch page: https://www.rt.com/where-to-watch/ It's probably been on my system for years but just called a "leased channel". I only found out about it a month or two ago when a neighbor on the same system told me. | Oct 15 01:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Where to watch — RT | Oct 15 01:13 | |
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| msb_ | http://fossforce.com/2015/10/microsoft-infects-windows-computers-with-advertising-malware/ | Oct 15 03:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Microsoft Infects Windows Computers With Malvertising | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/o11ud ] | Oct 15 03:47 | |
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| schestowitz | > http://fossforce.com/2015/10/good-software-bad-behavior/ | Oct 15 04:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Good Software, Bad Behavior | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/o1297 ] | Oct 15 04:31 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 04:31 |
| schestowitz | > Larry seeing only the opposing side's press statements, see next link | Oct 15 04:31 |
| schestowitz | > for how it should have been handled. | Oct 15 04:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 04:32 |
| schestowitz | > - | Oct 15 04:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 04:32 |
| schestowitz | > "I have now spent two hours reading through lkml posts, and want to | Oct 15 04:32 |
| schestowitz | > summarize a few mails from the long thread, since most of the usual news | Oct 15 04:32 |
| schestowitz | > sites just rewrap the original blog of hers without adding any background." | Oct 15 04:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 04:32 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.preining.info/blog/2015/10/looking-at-the-facts-sarah-sharps-crusade/ | Oct 15 04:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I don't want to spend more time on this. It only helps Linux foes. | Oct 15 04:32 |
| schestowitz | I have an explosive MS/EPO article coming tonight... | Oct 15 04:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Looking at the facts: Sarah Sharp’s crusade | There and back again [ http://ur1.ca/o0wlh ] | Oct 15 04:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, | Oct 15 04:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Happy Birthday! http://t.co/On20kCk3DS | Oct 15 04:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 04:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, Happy Birthday! | Tux Machines | Oct 15 04:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Liberty Is First OpenStack Release Under 'Big | Oct 15 04:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tent' Model http://t.co/h7WJINsbxi | Oct 15 04:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 04:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Liberty Is First OpenStack Release Under 'Big Tent' Model | Tux Machines | Oct 15 04:33 | |
| schestowitz | New leak in the kitchen today (just discovered). Another weekend project, I guess. :/ | Oct 15 04:42 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2990107/windows-server/hands-on-with-powershell-for-windows-server-admins.html | Oct 15 04:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | The power of PowerShell: An intro for Windows Server admins | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/o12gl ] | Oct 15 04:52 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 04:52 |
| schestowitz | > SPAM | Oct 15 04:52 |
| schestowitz | "Adam is a Microsoft Windows PowerShell MVP, 2015 powershell.org PowerShell hero, and has numerous Microsoft IT pro certifications." | Oct 15 04:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/654589394146324480 | Oct 15 05:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz I use Pass, an encrypted #CLI password keeper. | Oct 15 05:30 | |
| cubexyz | if you really want to know about shells, you write one :) | Oct 15 05:31 |
| cubexyz | ancient shells are quite interesting | Oct 15 05:37 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-v5-thompson-shell.c | Oct 15 05:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS 7 Linux OS Has Been Officially Released | Oct 15 05:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for the 32-Bit (i386) Architecture | Oct 15 05:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lCpe51MQGj (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 05:41 |
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| cubexyz | the old knowledge has really atrophied, I'm sorry to say | Oct 15 05:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS 7 Linux OS Has Been Officially Released for the 32-Bit (i386) Architecture | Tux Machines | Oct 15 05:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Arrive in the First Half | Oct 15 05:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Next Week, Says Canonical | Oct 15 05:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/KzAY9Nnf7n (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 05:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Arrive in the First Half of Next Week, Says Canonical | Tux Machines | Oct 15 05:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner’s | Oct 15 05:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Guide http://t.co/W0lIcY9mfw | Oct 15 05:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.sitepoint.com) | Oct 15 05:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sitepoint.com | Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner's Guide | Oct 15 05:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally) | Oct 15 05:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | also Pepsi and some Business phone stats | Oct 15 05:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/4bsgIUSPym | Oct 15 05:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (communities-dominate.blogs.com) | Oct 15 05:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally) also Pepsi and some Business phone stats | Oct 15 05:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian GNU/Linux Jessie, Wheezy and Sid Receive | Oct 15 05:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Linux Kernel Updates http://t.co/fJxlsAAKqR | Oct 15 05:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian GNU/Linux Jessie, Wheezy and Sid Receive New Linux Kernel Updates - Softpedia | Oct 15 05:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, | Oct 15 05:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Happy Birthday! http://t.co/TSGiYf13j8 | Oct 15 05:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 05:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, Happy Birthday! - Softpedia | Oct 15 05:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS 7 Linux OS Has Been Officially Released | Oct 15 05:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for the 32-Bit (i386) Architecture | Oct 15 05:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/nmBqx1abxw (linux.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 05:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | CentOS 7 Linux OS Has Been Officially Released for the 32-Bit (i386) Architecture - Softpedia | Oct 15 05:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Arrive in the First Half | Oct 15 05:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Next Week, Says Canonical | Oct 15 05:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Arrive in the First Half of Next Week, Says Canonical - Softpedia | Oct 15 05:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, | Oct 15 06:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Happy Birthday! http://t.co/TSGiYf13j8 | Oct 15 06:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi (linux.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 06:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dual-core, Cortex-A15 Sitara arrives with Linux | Oct 15 06:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Android http://t.co/yzvuUqm8ee | Oct 15 06:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Oct 15 06:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Dual-core, Cortex-A15 Sitara arrives with Linux and Android · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 15 06:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Six Updated Themes for the Moksha Desktop | Oct 15 06:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bodhilinux.com | Six Updated Themes for the Moksha Desktop | Bodhi Linux | Oct 15 06:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Reynolds/status/654606093654605824 https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/654606407099154432 | Oct 15 06:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reynolds: @schestowitz @glynmoody '10,000 police officers'? What? | Oct 15 06:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @Reynolds @schestowitz surreal | Oct 15 06:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Summary: Flock to Fedora 2015 | Oct 15 07:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | In Summary: Flock to Fedora 2015 - Fedora Magazine | Oct 15 07:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 8 best free and open source inventory | Oct 15 07:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | management systems: how to save money and | Oct 15 07:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | improve service for your customers | Oct 15 07:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 best free and open source inventory management systems: how to save money and improve service for your customers | Tux Machines | Oct 15 07:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally) | Oct 15 07:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | also Pepsi and some Business phone stats | Oct 15 07:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/bvbJWXdgsF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 07:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally) also Pepsi and some Business phone stats | Tux Machines | Oct 15 07:17 | |
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| cubexyz | PC Mag is such a crock of shit | Oct 15 07:38 |
| cubexyz | "de-gunk your PC's OS" | Oct 15 07:39 |
| cubexyz | I'm just not the target demographic | Oct 15 07:39 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 15 08:06 |
| MinceR | maybe you'll become that, as cancerd and launchd are forced everywhere :> | Oct 15 08:07 |
| cubexyz | isn't launchd a OS X thing? | Oct 15 08:11 |
| cubexyz | I'll never run that | Oct 15 08:11 |
| cubexyz | can't see OpenBSD ever using it | Oct 15 08:12 |
| MinceR | it's also being pushed into bsd | Oct 15 08:12 |
| cubexyz | there's no launchd in OpenBSD | Oct 15 08:14 |
| cubexyz | maybe FreeBSD | Oct 15 08:14 |
| cubexyz | haven't really looked at FreeBSD developments in quite a while | Oct 15 08:15 |
| MinceR | "next"bsd has it, hopefully it won't be merged into freebsd | Oct 15 08:16 |
| cubexyz | thanks for the warning | Oct 15 08:17 |
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| MinceR | http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/41069/hacking/control-mobile-phone-16-feet.html | Oct 15 10:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-securityaffairs.co | How to silently control a mobile phone from 16 Feet AwaySecurity Affairs [ http://ur1.ca/o15z0 ] | Oct 15 10:18 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/654619174468218880 | Oct 15 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Proof that RedHat has anything to do with that? #FUD | Oct 15 11:59 | |
| schestowitz | It is mostly Red Hat that funds #systemd development | Oct 15 11:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Smoothiefy/status/654644003040829440 | Oct 15 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Smoothiefy: @schestowitz #icann promotes corrupt registrars by lacking safeguards to protect consumers from domain name IP theft by registrar | Oct 15 12:00 | |
| schestowitz | Also enables abuse by efforts to take down domains (for various reasons, including purely bogus ones) #internet #icann #censorship | Oct 15 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Walmart decries cloud lock-in, plans to | Oct 15 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | open-source OneOps http://t.co/o6HzDRaQjP | Oct 15 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 12:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Walmart decries cloud lock-in, plans to open-source OneOps | Tux Machines | Oct 15 12:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner’s | Oct 15 12:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Guide http://t.co/WYI20uwgqd | Oct 15 12:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 12:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner’s Guide | Tux Machines | Oct 15 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/654701676910120960 | Oct 15 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Half of "Japanese" recipes in restaurants are in fact Japanised Western dishes. Tempura=deep-frying, tataki=barbecue... | Oct 15 13:00 | |
| msb_ | https://www.rt.com/shows/watching-the-hawks/318728-cia-black-sites-us/ " David Talbot talks about his new book, ‘The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government’ | Oct 15 13:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | CIA chronicles: Black sites & Allen Dulles’ legacy with David Talbot (E115) RT — Watching the Hawks [ http://ur1.ca/o17yz ] | Oct 15 13:01 | |
| msb_ | Talks about how Dulles helped smuggle Nazis to safety after WW2, overthrew many governments, plotted against the USSR, etc. | Oct 15 13:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jason4e/status/654450531314733056?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=547c58cb78dbc529c9dc31479bd8084fa1aa9501&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=c069650d0829458bb0af7e8d205aa1f5&autoactions=1444868140&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Oct 15 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jason4e: @fqxjv @schestowitz @AJVicens either way hope he likes Moscow. Get a jacket Punk! | Oct 15 13:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Can the Internet exist without Linux? | Oct 15 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/eQakpjd8cW (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o17zq | Oct 15 13:03 |
| schestowitz | msb_: we are not talking about Nazis | Oct 15 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Can the Internet exist without Linux? | Tux Machines | Oct 15 13:03 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: don't get started | Oct 15 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NASA Just Released the Massive VICAR Collection | Oct 15 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Apps as Open Source http://t.co/POQkiK8ny0 | Oct 15 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 13:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NASA Just Released the Massive VICAR Collection of Apps as Open Source | Tux Machines | Oct 15 13:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch | Oct 15 13:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Store http://t.co/jbv1yecvIa | Oct 15 13:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 13:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch Store | Tux Machines | Oct 15 13:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and a | Oct 15 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux learner bundle http://t.co/K7HyJz0B0d | Oct 15 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 13:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and a Linux learner bundle | Tux Machines | Oct 15 13:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leap Release Candidate gets new office suite | Oct 15 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/3Yjm6YuqQ6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 13:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leap Release Candidate gets new office suite | Tux Machines | Oct 15 13:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Can the Internet exist without Linux? | Oct 15 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/3cF0yd4RLz (www.zdnet.com) | Oct 15 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o182p | Oct 15 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Can the Internet exist without Linux? | ZDNet | Oct 15 13:09 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: I'm not "getting started", just posting a single link about an extremely informative show and book that talks about the _roots_ of our present situation. You post links to important info that isn't strictly tech. What is Microsoft, EPO, swpats, systemd, etc, if not corporate domination of the world with govt help? What is another word for govt alliance with corporations against the people? | Oct 15 13:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654705728192516097 | Oct 15 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Journalists afraid? | Oct 15 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | Topic brought to the #epo a legacy of suing people for years in his own country for libel (despite losing in court). SLAPP=>self censorship. | Oct 15 13:11 |
| schestowitz | msb_: you can keep quiet about OT here.. | Oct 15 13:13 |
| schestowitz | .just making a mockery of the site and the channel | Oct 15 13:13 |
| schestowitz | there are channels about politics | Oct 15 13:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ircolle/status/654705980249239552 | Oct 15 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ircolle: @schestowitz No. ;-) | Oct 15 13:14 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: What exactly is your definition of "politics"? Aren't SLAPP suits politics? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation | Oct 15 13:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Strategic lawsuit against public participation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/o185k ] | Oct 15 13:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654707527301500928 | Oct 15 13:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz I thought the uk was the libel tourist's destination of choice. | Oct 15 13:18 | |
| schestowitz | Even worse then for people like me and journalists who write >in English< about #epo #organisedCrime | Oct 15 13:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654707889366396928 | Oct 15 13:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz But no does outside Croatia? | Oct 15 13:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch | Oct 15 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Store http://t.co/tjONgUJTc4 | Oct 15 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch Store - Softpedia | Oct 15 13:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o18c0 | Oct 15 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and a | Oct 15 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux learner bundle http://t.co/HdiofxMcx1 | Oct 15 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Oct 15 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Deal: score a VoCore Mini Linux Computer and a Linux Learner Bundle | Oct 15 13:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o18c2 | Oct 15 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leap Release Candidate gets new office suite | Oct 15 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ozQEm2K1ee (news.opensuse.org) | Oct 15 13:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | openSUSE News | Oct 15 13:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HAProxy 1.6.0 released http://t.co/aNFgYuj1Kw | Oct 15 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.haproxy.com) | Oct 15 13:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.haproxy.com | What’s new in HAProxy 1.6 | HAProxy Technologies – Aloha Load Balancer | Oct 15 13:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is the KDE 5 desktop stable enough for normal | Oct 15 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | users? https://t.co/ac8merXNAi | Oct 15 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (btux1984.wordpress.com) no, wait until 2017 | Oct 15 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | maybe. | Oct 15 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-btux1984.wordpress.com | Is the KDE 5 desktop stable enough for normal users? | Ruberg's blog | Oct 15 13:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Blocks: Modularity Comes to Smartwatches | Oct 15 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/YbU8veQgh8 (www.linux.com) | Oct 15 13:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Blocks: Modularity Comes to Smartwatches | Linux.com | Oct 15 13:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Processor utilization difference between IBM | Oct 15 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple | Oct 15 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | comparison http://t.co/CzuRvd5MTQ- | Oct 15 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.ibm.com) | Oct 15 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://t.co/CzuRvd5MTQ- ) | Oct 15 13:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o18m4 | Oct 15 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Before the Echo comes to Mac and Linux with | Oct 15 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | literally no warning whatsoever | Oct 15 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ZmzaWiQwF9 (www.gamasutra.com) | Oct 15 13:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamasutra.com | Gamasutra - Press Releases - Before the Echo comes to Mac and Linux with literally no warning whatsoever | Oct 15 13:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines “We’ve seen basic researchers learning Linux | Oct 15 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and cloud computing to keep up with it all” | Oct 15 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/g4Ne7m3oez | Oct 15 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.sandiegouniontribune.com) | Oct 15 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sandiegouniontribune.com | Comet will be used by 10,000 investigators per year | SanDiegoUnionTribune.com | Oct 15 13:55 | |
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| schestowitz | Possibly just IBM 'marketing' in disguise https://joindiaspora.com/p/6707580 | Oct 15 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power... | Oct 15 13:59 | |
| schestowitz | Possibly just IBM 'marketing' in disguise https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6707580 | Oct 15 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-processor-utilization-difference-aix-lop-trs/index.html?ca=drs- #ibm #aix #linux #unix | Oct 15 13:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ibm.com | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison [ http://ur1.ca/o18o6 ] | Oct 15 13:59 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: is this believable? | Oct 15 14:00 |
| schestowitz | IBm benchmarks its proprietary/secret system | Oct 15 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Re: Fwd: TR: LogNo 2011/0338 -- Unauthorised Use of EPO Logo on the website www.unitary-patent.eu | Oct 15 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Excellent. Zoobab mentioned this briefly at the time, now I can do an article about it... | Oct 15 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Just got a scoop | Oct 15 14:13 |
| msb_ | Since AIX is secret it can easily contain code for optimizing performance on a particular benchmark. This has been done before. | Oct 15 14:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Crimp nasty privilege escalation bug by | Oct 15 14:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | running it in Linux instead says Rapid7" | Oct 15 14:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/pUMjems9Z6 (www.theregister.co.uk) | Oct 15 14:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | HP perfomance monitor can climb through Windows • The Register | Oct 15 14:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DFileManager: Cover Flow File Manager | Oct 15 14:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QHpoYsMt7t (gofk.tumblr.com) | Oct 15 14:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gofk.tumblr.com | gofk Blog — DFileManager: Cover Flow File Manager A real gem... | Oct 15 14:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Processor utilization difference between IBM | Oct 15 14:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple | Oct 15 14:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | comparison http://t.co/Z27wr0jFLK | Oct 15 14:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 14:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison | Tux Machines | Oct 15 14:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is open source killing end-to-end products? | Oct 15 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Q3TrhLU3TA (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 14:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is open source killing end-to-end products? | Tux Machines | Oct 15 14:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PHP 7.0 RC5 Released, PHP 7.0 In Under One | Oct 15 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Month http://t.co/EInCPp1zFj | Oct 15 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PHP 7.0 RC5 Released, PHP 7.0 In Under One Month | Tux Machines | Oct 15 14:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1959 | Oct 15 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Syncloud: personal services device | Oct 15 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ye3XOXsJUX (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 14:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Syncloud: personal services device | Tux Machines | Oct 15 14:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Mutter 3.18.1 Brings Better HiDPI On | Oct 15 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wayland http://t.co/eOWFHXhqmX | Oct 15 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 14:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME's Mutter 3.18.1 Brings Better HiDPI On Wayland | Tux Machines | Oct 15 14:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Launches in India, | Oct 15 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Sale next week 21 October | Oct 15 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/5vaIG9xnzp (www.tizenexperts.com) | Oct 15 14:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Launches in India, On Sale next week 21 October - Tizen Experts | Oct 15 14:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone – Hands on Web | Oct 15 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Reviews http://t.co/nRXdVpu8i5 | Oct 15 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Oct 15 14:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Video] Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone - Hands on Web Reviews - Tizen Experts | Oct 15 14:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Medtronic's George, Red Hat's Whitehurst, | Oct 15 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Citrix's Lipson talk leadership in the C-Suite | Oct 15 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/anplWMHWNh (www.bizjournals.com) | Oct 15 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "left..Delta for Red Hat." | Oct 15 14:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | Medtronic's George, Red Hat's Whitehurst, Citrix's Lipson talk leadership - Triangle Business Journal | Oct 15 14:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Red Hat, Inc. will host the 2015 Government | Oct 15 15:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Symposium on Tuesday, November 10th" | Oct 15 15:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WDPigzlvhT (www.washingtonexec.com) | Oct 15 15:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonexec.com | 2015 Red Hat Government Symposium Set for November 10 | WashingtonExec | Oct 15 15:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LG begins rolling out Android 6.0 Marshmallow | Oct 15 15:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the G4 next week http://t.co/bPjafOLyNx | Oct 15 15:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.theverge.com) | Oct 15 15:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | LG begins rolling out Android 6.0 Marshmallow to the G4 next week | The Verge | Oct 15 15:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7 Of The Best Android Video Player Apps | Oct 15 15:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/omRts7Uu96 (tech.co) | Oct 15 15:04 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google’s Nexus Lineup Offers Better Security | Oct 15 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Among Android Phones: Cambridge Report | Oct 15 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Zp0wi5pggc (www.ibtimes.com) | Oct 15 15:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | Google’s Nexus Lineup Offers Better Security Among Android Phones: Cambridge Report | Oct 15 15:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry Priv Android Slider Smartphone Goes | Oct 15 15:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Up for Pre-Registration http://t.co/hOS3B231Wd | Oct 15 15:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (gadgets.ndtv.com) | Oct 15 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | BlackBerry Priv Android Slider Smartphone Goes Up for Pre-Registration | NDTV Gadgets360.com | Oct 15 15:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Now Launched in | Oct 15 15:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Moscow, Russia http://t.co/Hx946l2OVO | Oct 15 15:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Now Launched in Moscow, Russia - Tizen Experts | Oct 15 15:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Daily Deal: Linux Computer And Linux Learner | Oct 15 15:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bundle https://t.co/8sQb50eM2U | Oct 15 15:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techdirt.com) | Oct 15 15:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | Daily Deal: Linux Computer And Linux Learner Bundle | Techdirt | Oct 15 15:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow review | Oct 15 15:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/OIwSacDZKI (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 15:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android 6.0 Marshmallow review | Tux Machines | Oct 15 15:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen Leftovers http://t.co/256cavUdmM | Oct 15 15:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 15 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.iam-media.com/Blog/Detail.aspx?g=f9b020d4-57b8-41c1-97df-9db6edf3be20 | Oct 15 15:58 |
| schestowitz | "Grant Philpott, principal director for information and communications technology at the European Patent Office (EPO), looked at the issue from a slightly different angle. While the number of filings handled by SIPO has shot through the roof in recent years - making it the world's largest patent office by volume – he noted that Chinese residents still constitute a conspicuously small proportion of applicants in foreign jurisdictions. "I am | Oct 15 15:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | A new approach to the reform debate; China's IP future; the European tide; and much more at IPBC Global Day 3 - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business [ http://ur1.ca/o1a5i ] | Oct 15 15:58 | |
| schestowitz | not so sure we will see a flood of Chinese patents coming our way any time soon," he forecast, suggesting that Chinese companies' relatively small patent holdings outside of their own country is perhaps indicative that they have some way to go in terms of IP sophistication. For Laura Quatela- head of IP at Alcatel-Lucent, as well as a member of the board at Technicolor – that implied that we will see even more of a phenomenon that has | Oct 15 15:58 |
| schestowitz | become increasingly apparent over recent years: the acquisition of foreign patent assets by Chinese entities. (JE)" | Oct 15 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Two notoriously corrupt entities find common grounds. I think this necessitates WIPR coverage and do does my source http://techrights.org/2015/10/14/epo-against-patent-neutrality/ | Oct 15 17:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Says Crushing Patent Neutrality is a Good Thing® Because Authenticity of Self-Incriminating EPO Document Cannot be Denied | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o1b1c ] | Oct 15 17:08 | |
| schestowitz | oops, wrong link http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ | Oct 15 17:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Exclusive: Leaked E-mail From Grant Philpott (EPO Principal Telecommunications Director) Shows Collusion Between EPO and Microsoft to Prioritise Most Notorious Patent Bully, Microsoft | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o1b1r ] | Oct 15 17:08 | |
| schestowitz | Oops. Sent wrong link. This one: | Oct 15 17:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ | Oct 15 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I can defend all my claims there; been writing about these issues for over a decade and collected references... | Oct 15 17:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/pNEbCZP6gr | Oct 15 17:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Oct 15 17:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/3vP1j86nNZ | Oct 15 17:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Oct 15 17:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/654768463253102593 | Oct 15 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Two primes. Multiples of primes can be very useful. This is mindblowing: http://t.co/XYfc7OyNXL | Oct 15 17:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.newyorker.com | The Cicada’s Love Affair With Prime Numbers - The New Yorker | Oct 15 17:20 | |
| schestowitz | Prime number in a dating system would make division hard, except 3 week cycles and 7 day parts... | Oct 15 17:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/3vP1j86nNZ | Oct 15 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Oct 15 17:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam | Oct 15 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Machines & The Steam Controller | Oct 15 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JOkO0TBeS9 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Oct 15 17:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam Machines & The Steam Controller | GamingOnLinux | Oct 15 17:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Says Ubuntu Phones Will Run Any Linux | Oct 15 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | App on Open Source OS http://t.co/Q5iZRwtsPG | Oct 15 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thevarguy.com) | Oct 15 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | Canonical Says Ubuntu Phones Will Run Any Linux App on Open Source OS | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy | Oct 15 17:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654783203496976384 | Oct 15 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Based on … drum rolls … http://t.co/mdqbmQFaaG :D | Oct 15 18:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Phones Will Run Any Linux Application on Top of Unity 8 - Softpedia | Oct 15 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | Nice to be the trend-setting media. Take these as a compliment. | Oct 15 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654783638303694850 | Oct 15 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Thank you ;) | Oct 15 18:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654783629038514176 | Oct 15 18:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: (Tories are dullest cards in your deck -- on the Island.) https://t.co/sBIseaX1zX | Oct 15 18:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I might, if time permits, return to writing about #drones this weekend. It's infuriating that Tories copied defunct #CIA policy >WHOLESALE<. | Oct 15 18:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654784517585022977 | Oct 15 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone hit with serious security | Oct 15 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz BTW, did you noticed a much smaller number of visitors lately? | Oct 15 18:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | vulnerability http://t.co/hzSOv5qYWM | Oct 15 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (betanews.com) http://t.co/1myCv8IYg3 | Oct 15 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Ubuntu Phone hit with serious security vulnerability | Oct 15 18:28 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Major Ubuntu Touch Exploit Is a Wake-up Call for Canonical - Softpedia | Oct 15 18:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam | Oct 15 18:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Machines & The Steam Controller | Oct 15 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | In general, in tux machines, in linux sites, softpedia? | Oct 15 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam Machines & The Steam Controller | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/LbsrFu7BjT | Oct 15 18:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/elFqVJXdcY | Oct 15 18:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @MariusNestor @schestowitz On @tuxmachines yes. | Oct 15 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654786162662375425 | Oct 15 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz On @tuxmachines yes. | Oct 15 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | No, same as before (big increase since mid year), why? | Oct 15 18:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654786282548137984 | Oct 15 18:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Cards Against Humanity...? | Oct 15 18:31 | |
| schestowitz | Exactly. Ear-catching name. They did it! | Oct 15 18:32 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/LbsrFu7BjT' | Oct 15 18:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/LbsrFu7BjT' | Oct 15 18:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz @MariusNestor @tuxmachines No, same as before | Oct 15 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (big increase since mid year), why? | Oct 15 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654787296172969984 | Oct 15 18:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz I believe there's something strange lately on the Internet… like many people vanished, still our followers have increased… | Oct 15 18:34 | |
| schestowitz | Android became mainstream, desktop GNU/Linux doesn't enjoy the same following, not even Ubuntu anymore | Oct 15 18:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654787009878212608 | Oct 15 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Yes, but WHAT ? | Oct 15 18:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328 | Oct 15 18:48 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux stories almost never make it into front page of anything anymore. Reddit is famously astroturfed by Microsoft. | Oct 15 18:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328 | Oct 15 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328 | Oct 15 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Yeah, for that I need to write the story of the century :)) | Oct 15 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654787009878212608 | Oct 15 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Yes, but WHAT ? | Oct 15 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/654790908781596672 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/654791298293985281 https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/654737160549961728 | Oct 15 19:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just added a sentence to clarify that Philpott also pushes (even politically lobbies) for the #UPC http://t.co/aQJ2X3YGgs #microsoft #epo | Oct 15 19:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Exclusive: Leaked E-mail From Grant Philpott (EPO Principal Telecommunications Director) Shows Collusion Between EPO and Microsoft to Prioritise Most Notorious Patent Bully, Microsoft | Techrights | Oct 15 19:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@MariusNestor #GNU/#Linux stories almost never make it into front page of anything anymore. #Reddit is famously astroturfed by #Microsoft. | Oct 15 19:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NHAparty: NHS children's services in Bristol not handed to Virgin Care after anti-privatisation protest: http://t.co/IHmcaO0j7b via @BristolPost | Oct 15 19:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bristolpost.co.uk | NHS children's services in Bristol not handed to Virgin Care after anti-privatisation protest | Bristol Post | Oct 15 19:03 | |
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| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/submission/5101535/epo-admits-the-unitary-patent-is-all-about-software-patents | Oct 15 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | EPO admits the Unitary Patent is all about software patents - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/o1cme ] | Oct 15 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | "The European Patent Office (EPO) has recognised that the Unitary Patent Court will provide harmonisation across Europe on the issue of software patents. In a conference in London held few days ago, EPO’s Grant Philpott said "The UPC (Unitary Patent Court) will provide strong harmonisation in ICT applications that will play a dominant role in patent world". A recent leak by Techrights.org also shows that the EPO has been prioritizing | Oct 15 19:11 |
| schestowitz | patent applications for a few large non-European companies, such as Microsoft or Huawei. The leaked document and webpage is now made inacessible and filtered from the internet access within the EPO premises." | Oct 15 19:11 |
| cubexyz | it wouldn't surprise me at all that IBM AIX runs better than Linux on Power CPU | Oct 15 19:14 |
| cubexyz | they know everything about the POWER CPU, IBM made it | Oct 15 19:15 |
| cubexyz | just like icc (intel's c compiler) can optimize code on Intel CPU's better than gcc | Oct 15 19:15 |
| cubexyz | naturally intel knows more about their own CPUs | Oct 15 19:16 |
| cubexyz | just like IBM mainframes are better than PCs, their IO capability is a lot better | Oct 15 19:17 |
| MinceR | i've heard horror stories about how AIX does shared libraries, though | Oct 15 19:18 |
| cubexyz | AIX came out of the Unix Sys V and 4.3BSD, IBM combined ideas from both | Oct 15 19:20 |
| cubexyz | but it is closed source of course | Oct 15 19:20 |
| cubexyz | the big downside... IBM doesn't like giving out source code, unless it's for very old stuff | Oct 15 19:22 |
| cubexyz | SCO actually tried to revoke IBM's AIX license | Oct 15 19:27 |
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| cubexyz | AIX is expensive, you have to buy the software and hardware | Oct 15 19:30 |
| cubexyz | $85 per core, plus $299 per year for maintainance | Oct 15 19:30 |
| cubexyz | they do have a "low cost" option | Oct 15 19:32 |
| cubexyz | AIX Express Edition | Oct 15 19:32 |
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| cubexyz | probably AIX would have better uptimes than Linux | Oct 15 19:39 |
| cubexyz | more conservative programming, less untest code | Oct 15 19:39 |
| cubexyz | you're not going to have customers playing games on AIX | Oct 15 19:39 |
| cubexyz | better memory management too | Oct 15 19:40 |
| cubexyz | but the big downside remains: AIX is closed | Oct 15 19:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494 | Oct 15 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The nasty company that uses large-breasted women to market its #censorship -happy 'products': "workforce diversity"? http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/10/14/diversity-transparency-and-sharing-data-at-godaddy-ghc15/ | Oct 15 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | "From Silicon Angle. GoDaddy has a similar website, Silicone Angle." | Oct 15 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> siliconangle.com | Diversity, transparency and sharing data at GoDaddy | #GHC15 | SiliconANGLE [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0b ] | Oct 15 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <cubexyz> $85 per core, plus $299 per year for maintainance | Oct 15 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Meh | Oct 15 19:42 |
| schestowitz | More expensive than a whole new dual-core PC | Oct 15 19:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708459 | Oct 15 19:43 |
| schestowitz | "Windows it’s a crap!" | Oct 15 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Don't insult crap | Oct 15 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-upgrade-nags-become-more-aggressive-offer-no-opt-out/ #vista10 dirty tricks http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log | Oct 15 19:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0o ] | Oct 15 19:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ] | Oct 15 19:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708784 | Oct 15 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/653724738280386561 | Oct 15 19:43 | |
| schestowitz | "There's a Diaspora feed for Snowden Tweets btw." | Oct 15 19:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Snowden: An individual trying to limit speech at universities is interested in neither university nor justice. https://t.co/JHNEbIAfa3 | Oct 15 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | Where? | Oct 15 19:44 |
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| MinceR | https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/24/142 | Oct 15 20:26 |
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| cubexyz | The fact that that old guy switched over to Linux isn't too surprising | Oct 15 20:40 |
| cubexyz | Phd in Astrophysics? Taught at Universities? | Oct 15 20:40 |
| cubexyz | No wonder | Oct 15 20:40 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-progress-zero-percent.jpg | Oct 15 20:52 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-error-too-many-errors.jpg | Oct 15 20:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 15 20:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did you get it from my link? | Oct 15 21:04 |
| MinceR | probably | Oct 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | it's only surfacing now.. | Oct 15 21:06 |
| schestowitz | bullied her husband too | Oct 15 21:06 |
| schestowitz | poor thing.. | Oct 15 21:06 |
| schestowitz | "It has a back door at OS level, so I think dual boot with Linux and encrypted file system would be the best bet" -me | Oct 15 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. Appreciated. | Oct 15 21:09 |
| schestowitz | context: "Any suggestions for decent drive encryption for windows 10? Obviously not using bitlocker and have been using programs to disable all the anti privacy crap that microsoft put into windows 10 but I would feel better if I had a good open source encryption program to use for both my laptop and external hard drive. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks." | Oct 15 21:09 |
| cubexyz | don't use windows 10 | Oct 15 21:11 |
| cubexyz | :) | Oct 15 21:11 |
| cubexyz | what is wrong with people, does Bill Gates have their balls in an iron grip? | Oct 15 21:13 |
| cubexyz | metaphorically speaking | Oct 15 21:13 |
| schestowitz | some people need information and courage | Oct 15 21:16 |
| schestowitz | introduce them to gnu/linux | Oct 15 21:16 |
| schestowitz | or even chromebooks | Oct 15 21:16 |
| schestowitz | or android | Oct 15 21:16 |
| schestowitz | it'll help them realise they don't NEED windows | Oct 15 21:16 |
| schestowitz | i got my mom using android for most things | Oct 15 21:16 |
| MinceR | some people apparently like the design flaws winblows is built on | Oct 15 21:16 |
| cubexyz | I don't think the users like the flaws | Oct 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | (side story, and one I don't mind sharing publicly, the other week I opened her android tablet and was horrified to find closed tabs in chrome that were pr0nograph..... ewwww) | Oct 15 21:17 |
| MinceR | yesterday one of them zealously defended that broken kind of thinking | Oct 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: they don't know of the flaws | Oct 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | also about privacy violations in the Net | Oct 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | drpizza is not around now | Oct 15 21:18 |
| MinceR | not on this channel, i mean :) | Oct 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | today he sort of defended Microsoft force-feeding vista 10 | Oct 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | he quotes Micfrosoft | Oct 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | they frame it as "accident" | Oct 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | the accident is that they got caught, I guess... | Oct 15 21:19 |
| cubexyz | who is drpizza? | Oct 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | and got negative press for it | Oct 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | MS Peter | Oct 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Peter brights | Oct 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Arse 'Tech'ni-kaka | Oct 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://grep.be/blog//en/life/debian/On_Planet_Debian_and_the_Code_of_Conduct/ | Oct 15 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-grep.be | On Planet Debian and the Code of Conduct [ http://ur1.ca/o1e9j ] | Oct 15 21:23 | |
| schestowitz | no free speech in debian? | Oct 15 21:23 |
| MinceR | they don't need any | Oct 15 21:23 |
| MinceR | you don't need to speak to do redcrap's bidding, after all | Oct 15 21:24 |
| MinceR | also, SJWs are for censorship, not free speech | Oct 15 21:24 |
| cubexyz | there pretty much is free speech on the internet | Oct 15 21:25 |
| cubexyz | at least, I can't think of many counter-examples | Oct 15 21:25 |
| cubexyz | maybe not China or North Korea though | Oct 15 21:25 |
| cubexyz | I'm more worried about systemd creeping up on me | Oct 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/216361-vint-cerf-hundreds-of-researchers-call-on-fcc-to-mandate-open-source-router-firmware | Oct 15 21:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.extremetech.com | Vint Cerf, hundreds of researchers, call on FCC to mandate open-source router firmware | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/o1ebs ] | Oct 15 21:28 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: no free speech here | Oct 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | in canada? maybe... | Oct 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | can't think offhand of MAJOR censorship | Oct 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | not even under harper | Oct 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | but in europe? | Oct 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Ha | Oct 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | France.... see their censorship policy | Oct 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | UK... lots | Oct 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | techrights is now banned by EPO | Oct 15 21:29 |
| cubexyz | banned? | Oct 15 21:30 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I am forced into systemd | Oct 15 21:30 |
| schestowitz | it reminds me of windows when it starts | Oct 15 21:30 |
| schestowitz | nothing onscreen | Oct 15 21:30 |
| schestowitz | until the x/wayland session starts | Oct 15 21:31 |
| schestowitz | all opaque | Oct 15 21:31 |
| cubexyz | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | Oct 15 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-without-systemd.org | Without Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/mvnix ] | Oct 15 21:31 | |
| cubexyz | I'm always checking that site | Oct 15 21:31 |
| cubexyz | I've also stockpiled all the Fedoras up to version 14 | Oct 15 21:32 |
| cubexyz | I have slackware 12.1, various openbsd boxes... | Oct 15 21:32 |
| schestowitz | thankfully we're a safe haven for free speech | Oct 15 21:33 |
| schestowitz | including unpleasant (to some) speech | Oct 15 21:33 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: SJWs are in cahoots with redcrap/cancerd | Oct 15 21:33 |
| cubexyz | AntiX and Q4OS are derived from Debian Wheezy | Oct 15 21:33 |
| cubexyz | Vector Linux should be OK as well | Oct 15 21:33 |
| cubexyz | one should be able to avoid systemd with some care | Oct 15 21:34 |
| cubexyz | yes, things are still somewhat opaque due to closed source BIOS | Oct 15 21:34 |
| cubexyz | it is a pity about Redhat and Fedora, but I still run FC1 and a few older ones | Oct 15 21:35 |
| cubexyz | The SysV world isn't dead by any means | Oct 15 21:37 |
| cubexyz | there's OpenIndiana | Oct 15 21:38 |
| cubexyz | I definitely hope slackware doesn't go systemd but if worst comes to worst, there's openbsd | Oct 15 21:41 |
| cubexyz | Volkerding is worried he might be _forced_ to go systemd | Oct 15 21:41 |
| cubexyz | you might even say that Slackware has more in common with BSD than Linux (in some ways) | Oct 15 21:43 |
| cubexyz | and I guess there's Devuan | Oct 15 21:44 |
| cubexyz | if you care about Unix Philosophy and Unix principles then you might have to go BSD, hopefully not but we will see | Oct 15 21:45 |
| cubexyz | what it looks like is that Slackware will release 14.2 if they haven't already done so | Oct 15 21:47 |
| cubexyz | ok, one more thing about AntiX... | Oct 15 21:51 |
| cubexyz | AntiX will not be following Debian with the implmentation of systemd and so sysvinit to continue to be the default init system | Oct 15 21:52 |
| MinceR | what will they do with the next distro release? | Oct 15 21:52 |
| cubexyz | just don't install Gnome 3 on AntiX | Oct 15 21:54 |
| cubexyz | http://sourceforge.net/projects/antix-linux/files/ | Oct 15 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | antiX-Linux - Browse Files at SourceForge.net [ http://ur1.ca/o1elm ] | Oct 15 21:54 | |
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| cubexyz | http://all-things-linux.blogspot.ca/2015/06/looking-for-alternatives-to-systemd.html | Oct 15 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-all-things-linux.blogspot.ca | Linux, BSD, and everything else...: Looking for Alternatives to Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/o1ema ] | Oct 15 21:56 | |
| cubexyz | for old hardware, I still would say go OpenBSD | Oct 15 21:57 |
| cubexyz | slackware never used pam or pulseaudio | Oct 15 21:58 |
| cubexyz | anyways, all the usual choices are there... slackware derivatives, plus Void and some other ones | Oct 15 21:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/URZkgcrrAM | Oct 15 22:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 22:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1eob | Oct 15 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 15 22:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Devices http://t.co/0LCJOURXel | Oct 15 22:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 22:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1eof | Oct 15 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Devices | Tux Machines | Oct 15 22:02 | |
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| cubexyz | rm | Oct 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | -rf | Oct 15 22:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/RrVTCIAAMU | Oct 15 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1fj6 | Oct 15 23:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Oct 15 23:10 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines too | Oct 15 23:10 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines too | Oct 15 23:11 | |
| cubexyz | Windows 10 is not compatible with 2nd gen i3/i5/i7 processors with internal graphics - it causes many BSOD and various system problems after about 30-90 minutes usage | Oct 15 23:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Firefox 41.0.2 Hotfix to Fix a | Oct 15 23:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | High Impact Issue, Update Now | Oct 15 23:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/TJuF31RHFk (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 23:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1fl4 | Oct 15 23:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Releases Firefox 41.0.2 Hotfix to Fix a High Impact Issue, Update Now | Tux Machines | Oct 15 23:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone Users Will Receive an OTA-6 Hotfix | Oct 15 23:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Patch a Security Vulnerability | Oct 15 23:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lHvWMUaVXn (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 23:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1fl7 | Oct 15 23:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Phone Users Will Receive an OTA-6 Hotfix to Patch a Security Vulnerability | Tux Machines | Oct 15 23:15 | |
| MinceR | fun | Oct 15 23:16 |
| MinceR | then again, that sort of stuff is business as usual on winblows | Oct 15 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494 | Oct 16 01:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The nasty company that uses large-breasted women to market its #censorship -happy 'products': "workforce diversity"? http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/10/14/diversity-transparency-and-sharing-data-at-godaddy-ghc15/ | Oct 16 01:52 | |
| schestowitz | "…with a CEO fond of hunting endangered species." | Oct 16 01:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> siliconangle.com | Diversity, transparency and sharing data at GoDaddy | #GHC15 | SiliconANGLE [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0b ] | Oct 16 01:52 | |
| schestowitz | Iraqis? | Oct 16 01:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697205 | Oct 16 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Best Web Browsers for the Linux Desktop http://www.datamation.com/open-source/best-web-browsers-for-the-linux-desktop.html #gnu #linux #www | Oct 16 01:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.datamation.com | Best Web Browsers for the Linux Desktop - Datamation [ http://ur1.ca/o038j ] | Oct 16 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | "has happened to me on several occasions: comment state ambiguity" | Oct 16 01:53 |
| schestowitz | "I use several browsers, too. I have a particularly slutty chrome for shopping, which I flush out after use, and for researching and socnetting I have iceweasel with all the bells and whistles (for privacy), and I check in to my snoopy and ancient Yahoo account currently with opera developer which is smooth, but a little hard to monitor for security… arora is good at spoofing explorer or safari if the need arises…" | Oct 16 01:53 |
| schestowitz | [03:50] <cubexyz> rm | Oct 16 01:53 |
| schestowitz | [03:54] <MinceR> -rf | Oct 16 01:53 |
| schestowitz | /: | Oct 16 01:54 |
| cubexyz | ok... | Oct 16 02:01 |
| cubexyz | alias rm='rm -iv' | Oct 16 02:01 |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: "techrights is now banned by EPO" Banned in what way? | Oct 16 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | site blocked | Oct 16 02:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654905933055836160 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654906208290238464 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654906413878153216 | Oct 16 02:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: RT'ing this because it shows in further detail just how corrupt the EPO is. As for MSFT, not endorsing vilification. https://t.co/IeyTkpJ12d | Oct 16 02:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody @FOSSpatents #microsoft and the #epo - two notoriously corrupt entities find common grounds http://t.co/aQJ2X3YGgs | Oct 16 02:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: Re. previous RT: @schestowitz and I don't have the same perspective on the current MSFT. We more or less agree re. the old MSFT under Gates. | Oct 16 02:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: Unlike @schestowitz, who thinks MSFT has always been evil, I believe MSFT has gone from immoral to amoral. Almost all companies are amoral. | Oct 16 02:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654911695127748608 | Oct 16 02:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @Ipkat @schestowitz An English translation of this Dutch article about the suspended BoA member may be interesting: http://t.co/v3fWoLstNJ | Oct 16 02:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fd.nl | Hoge medewerker saboteerde Europees octrooibureau | Het Financieele Dagblad | Oct 16 02:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494 | Oct 16 02:56 |
| schestowitz | "Those, too." | Oct 16 02:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/godaddy-ceo-videotapes-himself-killing-an-elephant-2011-3 | Oct 16 02:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | GoDaddy CEO Videotapes Himself Killing An Elephant - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/o1iaz ] | Oct 16 02:56 | |
| schestowitz | "Grateful that I got out with the boycott and moved to a combination of NameCheap and selfhosting (with ArkOS years ago." | Oct 16 02:56 |
| schestowitz | I inherited a domain from godaddy and quit them quickly... they're not a bad service, just immoral. I do the same when it comes to Walmart (ASDA in the UK). If only more did like me.... | Oct 16 02:57 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Where is techrights blocked? Within the EPO offices? I can see it in California. | Oct 16 02:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494 | Oct 16 03:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 16 03:20 |
| cubexyz | ha, that's naive | Oct 16 03:20 |
| schestowitz | Even morality aside, the number of upsells / cross sells / promotions is just… extreme. It can take 10 minutes to check out an order for a simple domain renewal, and even then you have to be careful that you unselected all of the added-by-default extra (for pay) services like “business registration”. | Oct 16 03:20 |
| schestowitz | No other domain registrar I know makes things this slow and difficult. | Oct 16 03:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 16 03:20 |
| schestowitz | msb_: yes, in all EPO offices | Oct 16 03:20 |
| cubexyz | at best Microsoft is pretending to be amoral | Oct 16 03:20 |
| cubexyz | just read some of those confidential emails and tell yourself Microsoft isn't evil | Oct 16 03:22 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: That will probably insure that all personnel will read it at home! | Oct 16 03:22 |
| cubexyz | M$ wants to make certain everyone continually pays them money without end | Oct 16 03:22 |
| cubexyz | the end user is reduced in status to a plebeian who pays taxes but has no power at all | Oct 16 03:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 16 03:24 |
| schestowitz | "If you do not receive the invoice 1 week before the expiry date, please contact us to request the renewal." | Oct 16 03:24 |
| schestowitz | Can you please confirm this will be done (less than a week left now)? :-) | Oct 16 03:24 |
| schestowitz | "Your domain will be due for renewal in the next few weeks, please note you do not need to take any action at present. We will automatically raise the renewal invoice on your billing account a few days before and you will be emailed separately regarding this." | Oct 16 03:24 |
| schestowitz | A renewal for 2 years (default) would be fine. thank you. :-) | Oct 16 03:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 16 03:24 |
| schestowitz | [08:22] <msb_> schestowitz: That will probably insure that all personnel will read it at home! | Oct 16 03:24 |
| schestowitz | or their mobile phones (on 3/4g, not wifi) | Oct 16 03:25 |
| schestowitz | (at work) | Oct 16 03:25 |
| schestowitz | which is exactly what this blocking has achieved, it's ineffective | Oct 16 03:25 |
| cubexyz | I have heard that dot.tk gives free domain names | Oct 16 03:26 |
| cubexyz | techrights.tk wouldn't be too bad :) | Oct 16 03:27 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: ms paid hi | Oct 16 03:29 |
| schestowitz | him=florian | Oct 16 03:29 |
| schestowitz | and they might pay again, so he plays it like a businessman | Oct 16 03:29 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, but for how long? | Oct 16 03:29 |
| schestowitz | one time tim from techbytes registered it | Oct 16 03:29 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: https://web.archive.org/web/20110627205958/http://nodaddy.com/ | Oct 16 03:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | NoDaddy.Com - Exposing the Many Reasons Not to Trust GoDaddy with Your Domain Names [ http://ur1.ca/o1ip9 ] | Oct 16 03:29 | |
| schestowitz | people needn't get accustomed to accessing this way | Oct 16 03:29 |
| schestowitz | in case you stop the domain entry | Oct 16 03:30 |
| schestowitz | I have techrights dot COM | Oct 16 03:30 |
| cubexyz | they say you can have unlimited renewals | Oct 16 03:30 |
| schestowitz | but it links to same IP | Oct 16 03:30 |
| schestowitz | hence the filters will pick it up at EPO | Oct 16 03:30 |
| schestowitz | and they can always had more domains/aliases | Oct 16 03:30 |
| schestowitz | it's not that simple | Oct 16 03:30 |
| cubexyz | piratebay does the same thing | Oct 16 03:30 |
| schestowitz | THAT SAID... | Oct 16 03:30 |
| schestowitz | I saw internally... | Oct 16 03:30 |
| cubexyz | they have many domains :) | Oct 16 03:30 |
| schestowitz | That some access the site via GOOGLE CACHE | Oct 16 03:30 |
| schestowitz | which makes me appreciative of Google | Oct 16 03:30 |
| schestowitz | I also salvaged some deleted pages for people from Google Cache | Oct 16 03:31 |
| schestowitz | it also also be used for bad | Oct 16 03:31 |
| schestowitz | when one tries to hide something | Oct 16 03:31 |
| schestowitz | or changes text to brush something out | Oct 16 03:31 |
| cubexyz | I'm going to grab cubeman.tk while I can, may as well | Oct 16 03:31 |
| schestowitz | if the Google cache isn't too old, or not just taken (snapshot) | Oct 16 03:31 |
| schestowitz | also .tk domain would probably just link to another domain | Oct 16 03:32 |
| schestowitz | and not serve as an alias | Oct 16 03:32 |
| schestowitz | it's funny that people would use TK to circumvent censorship | Oct 16 03:32 |
| cubexyz | I think it just links to a numeric ip | Oct 16 03:32 |
| schestowitz | I mean, come on, TK? | Oct 16 03:32 |
| schestowitz | !google turkey censorship | Oct 16 03:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Censorship in Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Turkey | Oct 16 03:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Internet censorship in Turkey | Internet Policy Review | http://policyreview.info/articles/analysis/internet-censorship-turkey | Oct 16 03:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 10 Facts About Censorship In Turkey - Business Insider | http://www.businessinsider.com/10-facts-about-censorship-in-turkey-2014-3 | Oct 16 03:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Internet censorship reaching dangerous levels in Turkey | http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_internet-censorship-reaching-dangerous-levels-in-turkey_393727.html | Oct 16 03:32 |
| schestowitz | we once thought about taking techrights.ca | Oct 16 03:33 |
| schestowitz | but what purpose for? | Oct 16 03:33 |
| schestowitz | At the time, domains were up for the picking by censors | Oct 16 03:33 |
| schestowitz | and a CA suffix was seen as safer | Oct 16 03:33 |
| schestowitz | .org and .com are US | Oct 16 03:33 |
| cubexyz | ah I see | Oct 16 03:33 |
| schestowitz | and the US has more power over them, legally | Oct 16 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Harper doesn't seem any safer | Oct 16 03:33 |
| schestowitz | nor Tories | Oct 16 03:34 |
| schestowitz | Tories... | Oct 16 03:34 |
| schestowitz | Cameron | Oct 16 03:34 |
| schestowitz | so co.uk not much safer, either | Oct 16 03:34 |
| schestowitz | at least .org makes it clear it's not some business | Oct 16 03:34 |
| cubexyz | a business can have org if it wants | Oct 16 03:34 |
| cubexyz | I think they dropped that a while ago | Oct 16 03:34 |
| schestowitz | yeah, but what for? | Oct 16 03:34 |
| schestowitz | like vanity plates | Oct 16 03:35 |
| cubexyz | different nameservers, could be safer | Oct 16 03:35 |
| cubexyz | if one nameserver stops working, your other domain is probably still OK | Oct 16 03:35 |
| cubexyz | ok, cubeman.tk is working :) | Oct 16 03:36 |
| cubexyz | it appears that tk uses nameservers based in the Netherlands | Oct 16 03:37 |
| schestowitz | so if you give people this address, you need to keep it forever | Oct 16 03:44 |
| schestowitz | http://openbytes.tk | Oct 16 03:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openbytes.tk | openbytes.tk | Oct 16 03:44 | |
| schestowitz | see what happened there? | Oct 16 03:45 |
| schestowitz | Used to link to TIm's blog | Oct 16 03:45 |
| schestowitz | now wants to run some JS on my PC (I block it) | Oct 16 03:45 |
| cubexyz | just use virtual hosts | Oct 16 03:46 |
| cubexyz | set the document root to whatever you want | Oct 16 03:46 |
| cubexyz | e.g. | Oct 16 03:47 |
| cubexyz | <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName www.cubeman.tk ServerAlias cubeman.tk DocumentRoot /var/www/maxhost/cubeman </VirtualHost> | Oct 16 03:47 |
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| cubexyz | some folks like owning com, net and org | Oct 16 03:52 |
| cubexyz | I was offered cubeman.com but I didn't bother | Oct 16 03:53 |
| cubexyz | http://openbytes.tk took me to a survey :-/ | Oct 16 04:01 |
| cubexyz | ah, ok... you mentioned that | Oct 16 04:01 |
| cubexyz | yeah, you've have to renew it but renewals are free | Oct 16 04:02 |
| schestowitz | for now... | Oct 16 04:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/meneer/status/654935383055147008 | Oct 16 04:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@meneer: @schestowitz I would love to try, but today my time is too limited :-/ | Oct 16 04:24 | |
| schestowitz | No urgency, I just want to publish it in English in Techrights to help support the staff in Holland... giving them a voice | Oct 16 04:24 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708459 | Oct 16 04:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-upgrade-nags-become-more-aggressive-offer-no-opt-out/ #vista10 dirty tricks http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log | Oct 16 04:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0o ] | Oct 16 04:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ] | Oct 16 04:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Not crap, its spyware. They need as much as possible spy-bots in every home. Worldwar 3 is coming." | Oct 16 04:51 |
| schestowitz | PC botnet/zombie apocalypse | Oct 16 04:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/654942730926301184 | Oct 16 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz I am in there as well. | Oct 16 04:55 | |
| schestowitz | I think I will root my BT routers (I have 4)... just for the sake of it... | Oct 16 04:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654943349766418440 | Oct 16 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz my father said that once. I offered to share his email and passwords of his biz, publicly on the net. Changed his tune quickly. | Oct 16 04:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6709718 | Oct 16 05:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Whoever leaked the #drone documents may deserve a Nobel prize (for peace). Helps defend claims of whistleblowers like https://twitter.com/backavar | Oct 16 05:04 | |
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| msb_ | "Whoever leaked the #drone documents may deserve a Nobel prize (for peace)." Too late. The prize was already given to the guy who's _using_ the drones to murder dozens of people at a time in apartment blocks, wedding parties, hospitals, etc. | Oct 16 06:26 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > It’s ,.... is putting together the article for publication this afternoon, so any help with the original PDF would be appreciated. | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > Regards, | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for deciding to highlight this issue (we share a common pain here). Here is the PDF for your eyes only, not for publication (so as to protect the source). Let me know if there's anything else you need. | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Best regards, | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Roy | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | msb_not the latest such prize | Oct 16 07:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654983358074724352 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654983767635959808 | Oct 16 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz It's an age old stigma....but agree the Troll hysteria impacted. I support vast majority of misunderstood NPE activity 1/2 | Oct 16 07:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz Have you noticed who are throwing brickbats at lawyers acting for NPES? Some NPEs were once SMEs with potential until they died | Oct 16 07:35 | |
| schestowitz | Not the big NPEs which I know of | Oct 16 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Think Acacia, Int. Ven., MOSAID, Ray Niro, Erich S. and so on | Oct 16 07:36 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks Roy! This is incredible stuff and proves what we knew--the EPO | Oct 16 07:39 |
| schestowitz | > has a cosy relationship with Microsoft. I spoke with my edifor and he | Oct 16 07:39 |
| schestowitz | > said we'd rather do a bit more digging into the issue first before | Oct 16 07:39 |
| schestowitz | > publishing something on it. | Oct 16 07:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 07:39 |
| schestowitz | > Today, the EPO directed us to a comminique from the AC that it will not | Oct 16 07:39 |
| schestowitz | > overried article 23 of the EPC in dismissing a member of the EBA. They | Oct 16 07:39 |
| schestowitz | > still think the member should be dismissed. Story should be up shortly | Oct 16 07:39 |
| schestowitz | > and I will send you a link. | Oct 16 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, I will help circulate the finding when it's published (give me a headsup). IAM is going to write about it this afternoon (I just send them some docs)... | Oct 16 07:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654984467568807937 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654984726072205312 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985178448855041 | Oct 16 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz The ones who have been fed by the PAEs who now complain about NPEs? Hypocrisy does not even come close. It's a broad church 1/2 | Oct 16 07:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz But for many reasons I am pro NPE but very anti bottom feeding Troll. Problem is there are 101 agendas in what should be simple | Oct 16 07:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz All the same yet so different. The biggest "Patent Troll" is now a University apparently. Don't you see how pointless this is? | Oct 16 07:41 | |
| schestowitz | I am against transfers of patents (sales). They shouldn't be viewed as tangible or property. | Oct 16 07:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985602257936384 | Oct 16 07:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz It's a debate about global weather from a town perspective. Largely pointless and futile. There will always be differences. | Oct 16 07:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985868588003328 | Oct 16 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz We should not react to the external forces but simply focus on core values and get back to basics on purpose of patent system. | Oct 16 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | Clearly, as we both appear to agree, the EPO got things wrong, in numerous ways, except mistreatment of staff | Oct 16 07:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654986405848985600 | Oct 16 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz 180 degrees. The No 1 issue is liquidity of IP and reward for creation. If have no right to transfer/ability to use why bother? | Oct 16 07:45 | |
| schestowitz | Can assert is for defensive purposes while still having the potential to bring value to market, not just destroy | Oct 16 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Can assert it for defensive purposes while still having the potential to bring value to market, not just destroy | Oct 16 07:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654986684287852544 | Oct 16 07:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz From this perspective individual creativity and reward is dead ergo no innovation. Plays into hands of status quo | Oct 16 07:46 | |
| schestowitz | people innovate even without patents (see Free software movement), like musicians are creative irrespective of (C)/$ | Oct 16 07:47 |
| schestowitz | > As discussed on Twitter can you send me the PDF of the Grant Philpott email as I’d like to link to it in the report I am putting together. | Oct 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Here is the PDF (please don't publish, for your eyes only), in case of meta/watermarking that jeopardises the source... | Oct 16 08:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654993323988537345 | Oct 16 08:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz This is key not all creation and innovation sits in same box. U2 did not file patents to protect The Joshua Tree. | Oct 16 08:14 | |
| schestowitz | Depends on domains too. Patents, copyright , TM separate. Same situation/breakdown for different domains, e.g. software | Oct 16 08:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654993845567037440 | Oct 16 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz They did not have too. How do you secure reward for a cure for cancer? | Oct 16 08:16 | |
| schestowitz | I am against software patents (primarily), I am not against patents as a whole | Oct 16 08:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654994967790755840 | Oct 16 08:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz I have concerns about software patents.......but also inability of system to effectively reward software innovation. Difficult. | Oct 16 08:23 | |
| schestowitz | Copyrights do this, and they're cheap ($0) | Oct 16 08:24 |
| schestowitz | The notion of "software innovation" often thrown around by people who never wrote a computer program. No breakthroughs, math. | Oct 16 08:25 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/RFsCMC3.jpg | Oct 16 08:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TechJournalist/status/655002055053090816 https://twitter.com/emorisse/status/655002310553247744 https://twitter.com/TechJournalist/status/655002537536393216 | Oct 16 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TechJournalist: @schestowitz actual press release doesn’t put the @ansible deal at $100M - (so don’t believe everything you read) http://t.co/9OKLwDSqR4 | Oct 16 09:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.redhat.com | Red Hat to Acquire IT Automation and DevOps Leader Ansible | Red Hat | Oct 16 09:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emorisse: @TechJournalist @schestowitz if you’re interested in the thinking behind @redhatnews acquisition of @ansible http://t.co/ERQvChXtUE | Oct 16 09:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.redhat-cloudstrategy.com | Why did Red Hat acquire Ansible? | Cloud Strategy Blog | Oct 16 09:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TechJournalist: @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible umm no. Given that nearly every @RedHatNews user i know uses Puppet / makes little sense. | Oct 16 09:08 | |
| schestowitz | Our clients use puppet on debian | Oct 16 09:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/655004933192830976 https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/655005214894903296 | Oct 16 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz I missread your tweet, I thought you were linking KDE moving to logind to some RH pressure. 1/2 | Oct 16 09:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Oh and BTW, suse and canonical are also funding systemd development, they both have employees working on the code… | Oct 16 09:09 | |
| schestowitz | yes, but fewer | Oct 16 09:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/655006911650242560 | Oct 16 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: IPKat: EPO Admin Council says no to Battistelli & yes to the rule of law http://t.co/QwDvgcX6et good headline by @Ipkat cc: @schestowitz | Oct 16 09:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> ipkitten.blogspot.de | The IPKat: EPO AC says no to Battistelli & yes to the rule of law | Oct 16 09:10 | |
| schestowitz | WIPR and IAM to have EPO articles this afternoon | Oct 16 09:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sparkycollier/status/655007728411111424 | Oct 16 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sparkycollier: @TechJournalist @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews fwiw I've talked to a lot of Openstack users who love Ansible in the mix. | Oct 16 09:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/emorisse/status/655007951984447488 | Oct 16 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emorisse: @sparkycollier @TechJournalist @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews I’m glad to hear it! We’re excited! | Oct 16 09:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/robynbergeron/status/655008672729272320 | Oct 16 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@robynbergeron: @sparkycollier @TechJournalist @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews http://t.co/x9TOTtZUVi is just a preview :) | Oct 16 09:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ansible.com | Your Ansible Playbook for OpenStack Summit Tokyo | Oct 16 09:16 | |
| schestowitz | I'm just trying to understand what's >really< happening | Oct 16 09:16 |
| schestowitz | <p><span class="pullQuote" style="width:200px">""</span> | Oct 16 09:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sparkycollier/status/655009882983165952 | Oct 16 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sparkycollier: @schestowitz @robynbergeron @TechJournalist @emorisse @ansible @RedHatNews I don't claim to know that :) | Oct 16 09:21 | |
| schestowitz | I am >HAPPY< that Ansible >officially< nets Red Hat's umbrella, but $100m figure is BS | Oct 16 09:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.iam-media.com/blog/Detail.aspx?g=0b8ffc2c-3a2a-49d7-ac0f-2d94d4a23ffd | Oct 16 10:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Pilot project with Microsoft and other big filers will directly help SMEs, not hinder them, says EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business | Oct 16 10:42 | |
| schestowitz | "The memo was originally published on the TechDirt website run by Dr Roy Schestowitz – a long-time and highly vocal critic of the EPO, and a campaigner against software patents. He claimed it showed the EPO “is tossing aside patent applications of small European companies and instead researching, under pressure and in a rush (hence unlikely to find adequate prior art) for large foreign corporations”. Schestowitz subsequently published | Oct 16 10:42 |
| schestowitz | a further memo, this time from Grant Philpott (no relation to Jeremy), principal director of the office’s main information and communication technology area, which talks of the “closer cooperation” with Microsoft." | Oct 16 10:42 |
| schestowitz | techDirt? | Oct 16 10:42 |
| schestowitz | PJ made this mistake too | Oct 16 10:42 |
| schestowitz | calling techrights techdirt | Oct 16 10:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/6550300699377541127 | Oct 16 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID. | Oct 16 10:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/655030069937754112 | Oct 16 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @FOSSpatents @TangibleIP_ @schestowitz FYI ... http://t.co/kRYJxuWTmn | Oct 16 10:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655038528557051904 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655038817561350144 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655039051918155777 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655039900518100992 | Oct 16 11:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz Not that reassuring for smaller corporate filers with in-house attorneys or small advisor firms. 1/2 | Oct 16 11:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz I think it's time for serious analytics and transparency. At the USPTO I can check performance. 2/2 | Oct 16 11:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz It's all very well making a formal complaint but many are recticent to do so for obviosu reasons. | Oct 16 11:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz I doubt Microsoft was threatening to use KIPO on quality basis. They want speed just like SMEs. | Oct 16 11:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655039541804474368 | Oct 16 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz The observations on competition are interesting. Quality is not the issue....its quantity. 1/2 | Oct 16 11:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655040962511642625 | Oct 16 11:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz One more point on this topic. Microsoft should be encoiraged to use USPTO for PCT and not swamp EPO | Oct 16 11:22 | |
| schestowitz | I will quote you on that later | Oct 16 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/655052604007960576 | Oct 16 12:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Who do you include under "they"? | Oct 16 12:09 | |
| schestowitz | EPO suits | Oct 16 12:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655052618029473792 | Oct 16 12:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents Let's be fair about this. It's not just Microsoft. | Oct 16 12:09 | |
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| schestowitz | I am in the process of preparing a third (for today) article about the EPO. You can find all those articles in the front page of the blog once I finish that last (longer) article... | Oct 16 12:30 |
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| lirodon | PC does WHAAAAT? is the dumbest thing I've ever seen | Oct 16 12:46 |
| schestowitz | PC? | Oct 16 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Personal Computer? | Oct 16 13:56 |
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| msb_ | https://plus.google.com/+otakarschon/posts Translation from Czech: Intel, Microsoft and computer manufacturers launches campaign "PC knows what?" Why? | Oct 16 14:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | Otakar Schön - Google+ | Oct 16 14:07 | |
| msb_ | But the picture says "PC DOES WHAAAT?! | Oct 16 14:09 |
| msb_ | http://tech.ihned.cz/pocitace/c1-64752760-pc-dokaze-co-reklamni-kampan-pc-prumyslu-co-je-s-pc-spatne | Oct 16 14:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.ihned.cz | Intel, Microsoft a vrobci pota spout zoufalou prodejn kampa [ http://ur1.ca/o1rby ] | Oct 16 14:12 | |
| msb_ | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cs&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftech.ihned.cz%2Fpocitace%2Fc1-64752760-pc-dokaze-co-reklamni-kampan-pc-prumyslu-co-je-s-pc-spatne&edit-text= | Oct 16 14:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [ http://ur1.ca/o1rdm ] | Oct 16 14:14 | |
| msb_ | The largest manufacturer of processors, operating system manufacturer and the three largest computer makers put into the common pot $ 70 million on an advertising campaign to revive weak sales of personal computers. Intel, Microsoft, Lenovo, HP and Dell have come together to convince the owners of computers over four years to purchase new hardware with Windows 10. As the main motto of the campaign "PC can COOO?" (PC Does Whaat?) | Oct 16 14:17 |
| lirodon | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/pc-industry-takes-on-apple-with-cringing-pc-does-what-ad-campaign/ Even Ars thinks its stupid. | Oct 16 14:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Cringe-worthy “PC Does What?” campaign wants you to upgrade | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/o1ncg ] | Oct 16 14:18 | |
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| msb_ | The answer to "PC Does Whaat?" is that a PC with Windows 10 will sell your ass to Microsoft and other greedy megacorporations. | Oct 16 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Meh | Oct 16 14:29 |
| schestowitz | waste of time to cover as it would only help MSFT | Oct 16 14:30 |
| schestowitz | very stupid slogan and marketing strategy | Oct 16 14:30 |
| schestowitz | not many people woould notice, it's like those Vista 7 launch parties | Oct 16 14:30 |
| schestowitz | which became an epic fail and widely ridiculed | Oct 16 14:30 |
| msb_ | But it's really a good thing because every time someone spends money on a new computer, and then feels ripped off when they see how crappy windows 10 is, that's when we can tell them about absolutely free Linux. | Oct 16 14:31 |
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| MinceR | well, pc does many things unless it's turned into a dumb appliance via Restricted Boot | Oct 16 14:51 |
| MinceR | they shouldn't have fucked it up if they don't like them not selling well | Oct 16 14:51 |
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| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 15:23 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.iam-media.com/blog/Detail.aspx?g=0b8ffc2c-3a2a-49d7-ac0f-2d94d4a23ffd | Oct 16 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Pilot project with Microsoft and other big filers will directly help SMEs, not hinder them, says EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business | Oct 16 15:23 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, they respond to me (damage control) and today I responded to them again. More coming, stay tuned... | Oct 16 15:23 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1968-we-trade-pictures-your-junk-8-realities-inside-tsa.html | Oct 16 15:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cracked.com | 8 Things You Don't (Want To) Know About TSA Checkpoints | Cracked.com [ http://ur1.ca/o1sfr ] | Oct 16 15:28 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 15:28 |
| schestowitz | > #4 | Oct 16 15:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/655101979870367744 | Oct 16 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The goal is totalitarian corporate feudalism. Mankind is entering a dark, greed driven, dog eat dog era http://t.co/dV453sr0w5 | Oct 16 15:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The goal is totalitarian corporate feudalism. Mankind is entering a dark, greed driven, dog eat dog era http://t.co/dV453sr0w5 | Oct 16 15:29 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/GyFiayJ | Oct 16 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Scientists discover miraculous way to stop Cyber-Bullying - Imgur | Oct 16 16:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/655113104540340224 | Oct 16 16:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz They are not stupid, and know who to believe. The intended audience I'd not the staff. | Oct 16 16:10 | |
| schestowitz | Well, some Dutch media is evidently gullible enough http://techrights.org/2015/10/16/crushing-dissent-at-epo/ | Oct 16 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The ‘Sherlocks’ of EPO/Spin-Doctoring Pretend That All of the EPO’s Problems Boil Down to One Disgruntled Person (Updated) | Techrights | Oct 16 16:11 | |
| schestowitz | or... complicit | Oct 16 16:11 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6711813 | Oct 16 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Lenovo takes a stand against Microsoft Surface as other OEMs begrudgingly sell it http://www.pcworld.com/article/2993846/computers/lenovo-takes-a-stand-against-microsoft-surface-as-other-oems-begrudgingly-sell-it.html piece of garbage, money in bin | Oct 16 16:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | Lenovo takes a stand against Microsoft Surface as other OEMs begrudgingly sell it | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/o1tb5 ] | Oct 16 16:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 16 16:35 |
| r_schestowitz | The story behind the story: In the past, vendors like Lenovo and Dell politely dismissed Microsoft’s Surface devices as uncompetitive, and in some cases even praised them as helping strengthen the PC market. While they continue to put on brave faces publicly, reports are emerging of behind-the-scenes hostility as the Surface Pro line gains sales traction and the Surface Book takes direct aim at traditional laptops. | Oct 16 16:35 |
| r_schestowitz | :D | Oct 16 16:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Fuck you, Microsoft. Go fuck yourself :D | Oct 16 16:35 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 16 16:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Hope they go bankrupt in the coming years... | Oct 16 16:35 |
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| cubexyz | I bet the OEMs are really tired of dealing with Microsoft | Oct 16 18:08 |
| cubexyz | part of the anti-trust settlement was a proposal to allow PC manufacturers to adopt non-Microsoft software | Oct 16 18:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Robolinux 8.2 Is Based on Debian 8.2, Runs | Oct 16 20:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows Virus Free Inside VMs | Oct 16 20:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Robolinux 8.2 Is Based on Debian 8.2, Runs Windows Virus Free Inside VMs | Tux Machines | Oct 16 20:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here's What's New in Ubuntu Touch OTA-7, the | Oct 16 20:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Update Arrives on October 19 | Oct 16 20:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Here's What's New in Ubuntu Touch OTA-7, the Update Arrives on October 19 | Tux Machines | Oct 16 20:37 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Here's What's New in Ubuntu Touch OTA-7, the...' | Oct 16 20:37 | |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: ROFL! | Oct 17 00:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Updated with | Oct 17 04:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Better Support for Google Drive | Oct 17 04:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Updated with Better Support for Google Drive | Tux Machines | Oct 17 04:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Wants You to Design Your Own Ubuntu | Oct 17 04:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (Suru) Icons, Here's How http://t.co/ziA08XQ3hU | Oct 17 04:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Wants You to Design Your Own Ubuntu (Suru) Icons, Here's How | Tux Machines | Oct 17 04:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GSA goes open source for its integrated | Oct 17 04:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | acquisition platform http://t.co/O5o3vjPpJH | Oct 17 04:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GSA goes open source for its integrated acquisition platform | Tux Machines | Oct 17 04:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mutter Window Manager for GNOME 3.18.1 Has | Oct 17 04:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mutter Window Manager for GNOME 3.18.1 Has Improved HiDPI Support on Wayland | Tux Machines | Oct 17 04:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko | Oct 17 04:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Email Client App by Default | Oct 17 04:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko Email Client App by Default | Tux Machines | Oct 17 04:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Youtube-DL A Command-Line & GUI Youtube, | Oct 17 06:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Facebook, Dailymotion Videos Downloading Tool | Oct 17 06:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | For Linux http://t.co/Kjau9LX9VN | Oct 17 06:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Youtube-DL A Command-Line & GUI Youtube, Facebook, Dailymotion Videos Downloading Tool For Linux | Tux Machines | Oct 17 06:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Releases OTA-7 Update for Ubuntu | Oct 17 06:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Touch Two Days Early by Mistake | Oct 17 06:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Releases OTA-7 Update for Ubuntu Touch Two Days Early by Mistake - Softpedia | Oct 17 06:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Robolinux 8.2 Is Based on Debian 8.2, Runs | Oct 17 06:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows Virus Free Inside VMs | Oct 17 06:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Robolinux 8.2 Is Based on Debian 8.2, Runs Windows Virus Free Inside VMs - Softpedia | Oct 17 06:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here's What's New in Ubuntu Touch OTA-7, the | Oct 17 07:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Update Arrives on October 19 | Oct 17 07:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Here's What's New in Ubuntu Touch OTA-7, the Update Arrives on October 19 - Softpedia | Oct 17 07:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Coming soon: modular Android watches and phones | Oct 17 07:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Coming soon: modular Android watches and phones · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 17 07:51 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenStack and Servers | Tux Machines | Oct 17 07:51 | |
| gde33 | http://www.bioinitiative.org/table-of-contents/ skyvisionsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/health-argument-for-replacing-wireless-smart-meters-in-maryland.pdf http://smartgridawareness.org/2014/04/20/the-health-argument-against-wireless-smart-meters/ | Oct 17 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bioinitiative.org | BioInitiative Report 2012: Table of Contents [ http://ur1.ca/o26ht ] | Oct 17 07:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smartgridawareness.org | The Health Argument Against Wireless Smart Meters | Smart Grid Awareness [ http://ur1.ca/o26hu ] | Oct 17 07:55 | |
| gde33 | http://skyvisionsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/health-argument-for-replacing-wireless-smart-meters-in-maryland.pdf | Oct 17 07:56 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6711817 | Oct 17 08:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This article has been corrected to say I'm from #techrights and not from #techdirt http://www.iam-media.com/blog/Detail.aspx?g=0b8ffc2c-3a2a-49d7-ac0f-2d94d4a23ffd | Oct 17 08:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.iam-media.com | Pilot project with Microsoft and other big filers will directly help SMEs, not hinder them, says EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business | Oct 17 08:27 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 17 08:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Mention to discredit is not much of a favor. They probably do it to knock down the Google rankings of your articles. Microsoft toads will linkfarm it. | Oct 17 08:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Another trick is to use similar language. The Slashdot “Vista Failure Log” was top of the search returns for “Vista Failure” until someone published an article titled “Vista’s 11 Pillars of Failure” and several Microsoft press copycats followed. | Oct 17 08:27 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 17 08:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Interesting premise | Oct 17 08:27 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/655359727396868096 | Oct 17 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Ours are just more subtle and insidious. | Oct 17 08:29 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6712152 | Oct 17 08:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5 must-have open source apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux http://www.itworld.com/article/2994023/open-source-tools/5-must-have-open-source-apps-for-windows-mac-and-linux.html#slide1 #freesw | Oct 17 08:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com | 5 must-have open source apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o26zc ] | Oct 17 08:30 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Seriously?! Chrome?!!!" | Oct 17 08:30 |
| r_schestowitz | Not FOSS | Oct 17 08:30 |
| cubexyz | a lot of articles have little substance | Oct 17 08:31 |
| cubexyz | but I'm impressed with the negative comments on Microsoft's own forums... really tells the story of what people think | Oct 17 08:32 |
| cubexyz | I can remember some people even saying win2k was the 'best' version of windows | Oct 17 08:34 |
| cubexyz | I'd say the astro-turing is getting drowned out by real grass-roots bitching :) | Oct 17 08:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Delays with ubuntu convergence | Oct 17 08:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Ubuntu delays PC-phone convergence as Microsoft's Windows 10 forges ahead | PCWorld | Oct 17 08:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Wants You to Design Your Own Ubuntu | Oct 17 08:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Valve puling Linux games from Steam that fail | Oct 17 08:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcvuk.com | Valve puling Linux games from Steam that fail to meet SteamOS standards - report | Games industry news | MCV | Oct 17 08:37 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Updated with Better Support for Google Drive - Softpedia | Oct 17 08:43 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME 3.18.1 Hits the Streets with Many Wayland Fixes, Lots of Improvements - Softpedia | Oct 17 08:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.18, KDE Apps 15.08.2 and Linux Kernel | Oct 17 08:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.2.3 Land in openSUSE Tumbleweed | Oct 17 08:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME 3.18, KDE Apps 15.08.2 and Linux Kernel 4.2.3 Land in openSUSE Tumbleweed - Softpedia | Oct 17 08:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.18.1 released http://t.co/yAAiGDz7pr | Oct 17 08:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME 3.18.1 released | Oct 17 08:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 17 wild uses for your old Android smartphone | Oct 17 08:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Alternate uses for old Android smartphones - Business Insider | Oct 17 08:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @UbuntuTopNews Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko | Oct 17 08:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko | Oct 17 08:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko Email Client App by Default - Softpedia | Oct 17 08:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mutter Window Manager for GNOME 3.18.1 Has | Oct 17 08:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improved HiDPI Support on Wayland | Oct 17 08:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Mutter Window Manager for GNOME 3.18.1 Has Improved HiDPI Support on Wayland - Softpedia | Oct 17 08:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Learn to embrace open source, or get buried | Oct 17 08:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Learn to embrace open source, or get buried | Tux Machines | Oct 17 08:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.18.1 released http://t.co/ddRWHiXDJI | Oct 17 08:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.18.1 released | Tux Machines | Oct 17 08:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 17 wild uses for your old Android smartphone | Oct 17 12:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 17 wild uses for your old Android smartphone | Tux Machines | Oct 17 12:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice Is Working On Redoing Their Toolbar | Oct 17 12:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Layout http://t.co/FIGy7JtmS8 | Oct 17 12:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice Is Working On Redoing Their Toolbar Layout | Tux Machines | Oct 17 12:47 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 AppPack Releas | Tux Machines | Oct 17 15:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why hardware needs to go open source | Oct 17 15:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why hardware needs to go open source | Tux Machines | Oct 17 15:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Facing Account Authentication | Oct 17 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Issues, Could Offer Feedback Option | Oct 17 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XRD2toaXun (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 17 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o2c1e | Oct 17 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Facing Account Authentication Issues, Could Offer Feedback Option | Tux Machines | Oct 17 15:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The state of KDE: Pretty but unstable | Oct 17 22:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lsuXxig93y (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 17 22:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o2g3l | Oct 17 22:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The state of KDE: Pretty but unstable | Tux Machines | Oct 17 22:00 | |
| cubexyz | http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/2015/10/internet-biase-against-older-computers.html | Oct 17 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca | Notes on Linux: Internet Biase Against Older Computers | Oct 17 22:46 | |
| MinceR | the "modern" web is biased against sanity | Oct 17 23:06 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Does wikipedia require https? Can you just use http? | Oct 17 23:52 |
| cubexyz | no, if you use a browser that can't use SSL you get nothing at all | Oct 17 23:52 |
| msb_ | Wow, that's right. I thought it was because I was using HTTPS Everywhere, but I just tried it with lynx and it switched from http to https. Why should it do that? | Oct 17 23:59 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: "hardly anyone seems to be able to function on a computer without windows, it's sad" That's not the problem. People (except you) want _fast_ computers so they can watch highly-compressed videos, and do video editing and play action games. These activities, and others like fast compiles, fast switching between virtual desktops, and good speed with interpreted languages like Ruby, REQUIRE A FAST COMPUTER, whether it's running | Oct 11 01:01 |
| msb_ | Linux or Windows. | Oct 11 01:01 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: People also want large displays, which are easier on the eyes, and more entertaining when watching movies, and more functional when editing text or source code because you can view two or three documents on the screen side by side at the same time. Big screens with lots of pixels require a FAST COMPUTER to calculate all those pixels when watching a highly-compressed video or playing an action game. | Oct 11 01:08 |
| cubexyz | msb_, you're so fixated on watching videos | Oct 11 01:09 |
| cubexyz | I almost never bother doing that | Oct 11 01:09 |
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| cubexyz | I can assure you there's lots of people who don't use their computers to edit video | Oct 11 01:10 |
| cubexyz | they do online banking, write emails, some people program | Oct 11 01:10 |
| cubexyz | I watched all the stuff you sent me (most of it at least) on my P3 | Oct 11 01:11 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: "fixated" "bother" are propaganda words the way you're using them here. The vast majority of people enjoy watching movies and other videos like ones about drug companies, political goings-on, etc. | Oct 11 01:11 |
| cubexyz | you are fixated :) | Oct 11 01:12 |
| cubexyz | you endless blather on about it | Oct 11 01:12 |
| cubexyz | I had far older computers that could watch CDI's on | Oct 11 01:13 |
| cubexyz | I think Tivos had a 486 class CPU | Oct 11 01:13 |
| cubexyz | but with special video chips | Oct 11 01:13 |
| cubexyz | I think people waste a lot of time watching youtube and TV | Oct 11 01:14 |
| cubexyz | what is that quote... "poor people have big TVs and rich peopel have big libraries" | Oct 11 01:14 |
| msb_ | Most people probably don't edit videos. But _many_ play action computer games. And _most_ watch movies and other videos, and they like big displays with lots of sharp detail. | Oct 11 01:15 |
| cubexyz | well I haven't seen an statistics so any comment on my part would be just speculation | Oct 11 01:16 |
| cubexyz | s/an/any/ | Oct 11 01:16 |
| cubexyz | I don't play games much | Oct 11 01:17 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: "fixated" "blather" "I think people waste a lot of time watching youtube and TV" You think everyone should be like you and have your likes and dislikes. Well, they aren't, and it's not going to happen. | Oct 11 01:18 |
| cubexyz | TV is a utter waste of time | Oct 11 01:18 |
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| msb_ | "I don't play games much" What is the purpose of our discussion here? To find good computer solutions for YOU, or to find them for EVERYONE? I think it's to help everyone. | Oct 11 01:19 |
| cubexyz | if you had a kid, a teenager, and he/she played games all the time and watched a lot of TV and was failing in school what would you say then? | Oct 11 01:20 |
| cubexyz | I don't think you would like that | Oct 11 01:20 |
| cubexyz | people watching game shows promoting consumerism? | Oct 11 01:21 |
| cubexyz | it's just sad | Oct 11 01:21 |
| msb_ | That's a Red Herring propaganda ploy. Many people play games, and watch certain things on TV that they specifically like, in moderation. | Oct 11 01:22 |
| cubexyz | so no thanks | Oct 11 01:22 |
| cubexyz | I'd love to look at some statistics on that | Oct 11 01:23 |
| msb_ | So what are you trying to do? Foist computers on people that will be incapable of giving them the things they enjoy, so they will be forced into your monastic existence? | Oct 11 01:23 |
| cubexyz | I'd say people are watching more TV now than in the past | Oct 11 01:23 |
| cubexyz | no, the customer tells me what they want :) | Oct 11 01:24 |
| cubexyz | I merely make suggestions | Oct 11 01:24 |
| cubexyz | I did warn people not to use windows 10 though | Oct 11 01:25 |
| msb_ | Is that a "yes" answer to my question? Are you trying to reduce people's computer capabilities in order to force them into your life-style? | Oct 11 01:25 |
| cubexyz | I can't force people to do anything, I assure you | Oct 11 01:25 |
| cubexyz | I'm trying to get FOSS BIOS going actually | Oct 11 01:26 |
| cubexyz | I have nothing against new computers except for secure boot/intel boot guard, and things of that nature | Oct 11 01:26 |
| msb_ | If people buy new fast computers because they want Windows 10, that's a good thing, because when they find out how bad 10 is, we can tell them about Linux, and they'll have a good fast machine to run it on, | Oct 11 01:27 |
| cubexyz | and currently network television is bad bad bad | Oct 11 01:27 |
| cubexyz | you know it's bad :) | Oct 11 01:27 |
| cubexyz | they don't even like windows 10, that's what I've been hearing lately | Oct 11 01:28 |
| cubexyz | well, people usually call me when they're having a problem | Oct 11 01:28 |
| cubexyz | so I fix the problem... if they feel like hearing my philosophic observations on stuff then I'll tell them what I think | Oct 11 01:29 |
| cubexyz | otherwise it's problem fixed, paid, bye | Oct 11 01:29 |
| cubexyz | it's mostly in here that I ramble on about stuff because they tend to be more receptive | Oct 11 01:30 |
| msb_ | "Madame Secretary" is good. "Marvel's Agents of SHIELD" is good. "Castle" is good. "Limitless" is good. These are all current network TV series. | Oct 11 01:30 |
| cubexyz | they do ask me on occassion | Oct 11 01:30 |
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| cubexyz | no one asks me about TV though | Oct 11 01:31 |
| msb_ | You don't try to convert them all to Linux? | Oct 11 01:31 |
| cubexyz | well what I do is point out the alternatives like Linux/BSD/ChromeOS | Oct 11 01:31 |
| cubexyz | a few have actually listened and bought machines with those OSes from me | Oct 11 01:32 |
| cubexyz | no not necessarily Linux | Oct 11 01:32 |
| cubexyz | sometimes they buy Linux without realizing it, ironically enough | Oct 11 01:33 |
| cubexyz | sometimes I talk about repairability | Oct 11 01:33 |
| cubexyz | I've fixed a few HDTVs :) | Oct 11 01:33 |
| cubexyz | so you see, I'm not totally against TV | Oct 11 01:34 |
| cubexyz | Sony Bravia TVs are basically Linux computers | Oct 11 01:34 |
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| cubexyz | I should say no one asks me which TV programs I watch, beyond the fact I'm interested in Sci-FI | Oct 11 01:35 |
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| cubexyz | but if I watch ABC or CBS and see 8 or 9 commercials in a row, that's it, I'm done | Oct 11 01:35 |
| cubexyz | I have a PVR (which I'm not completely happy with) so I can on the few occasions where I do watch TV, fast-forward through any commercials | Oct 11 01:36 |
| cubexyz | but it's like 35% to 40% commercials now | Oct 11 01:36 |
| cubexyz | I can live without it | Oct 11 01:37 |
| cubexyz | I think I mentioned the Microsoft ads on Elementary already | Oct 11 01:38 |
| cubexyz | monastic life is surely an exaggeration :) | Oct 11 01:38 |
| cubexyz | I'd rather read books on Gutenberg than watch TV | Oct 11 01:39 |
| cubexyz | a real monk wouldn't fix TVs I don't think | Oct 11 01:39 |
| msb_ | The shows I watch are no more than about 30%, and I record them from cable-TV and then skip past the commercials. I also remove those obnoxious channel logos from the lower right corner, using an mplayer feature and some scripts I wrote. | Oct 11 01:42 |
| cubexyz | I once saw an ad take up a good 25% of the lower screen during the program | Oct 11 01:43 |
| cubexyz | it just gets worse and worse each year | Oct 11 01:43 |
| cubexyz | it's better to wait for the DVD/Bluray and rip it to the computer | Oct 11 01:43 |
| cubexyz | Bell and Rogers have a duopoly in Canada, and it's not a good thing | Oct 11 01:44 |
| cubexyz | I imagine the United States is similar | Oct 11 01:44 |
| cubexyz | the PVR from Bell must be the most blacked-boxed device I've ever seen | Oct 11 01:46 |
| cubexyz | videos are encrypted and non-transferable | Oct 11 01:47 |
| msb_ | "Elementary" will be back next month -- great! Did you refuse to watch it because it had Microshit ads? | Oct 11 01:47 |
| cubexyz | no, I just complain about it :) | Oct 11 01:47 |
| cubexyz | sometimes I read when on the exercise bike as I'm a bit worried I'm sitting too much | Oct 11 01:48 |
| msb_ | Not all good shows come out on DVD. | Oct 11 01:49 |
| cubexyz | they put "My Mother the Car" on DVD, they don't seem to be too choosey :) | Oct 11 01:49 |
| cubexyz | youtube as a 240p mode for us techno-minimalists | Oct 11 01:51 |
| msb_ | I'm told one can even find highly compressed high resolution copies of TV shows, with the commercials removed, on file-sharing cites. Maybe on the Dark Web, along with the Kitty Porn. | Oct 11 01:51 |
| msb_ | cites -> sites | Oct 11 01:51 |
| cubexyz | yes, I downloaded a few Elementary episodes like that | Oct 11 01:52 |
| msb_ | 360p minimal for me. | Oct 11 01:52 |
| msb_ | youtube-dl allows you to select the rez that you want. | Oct 11 01:53 |
| msb_ | -F lists them and -f select one. | Oct 11 01:53 |
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| msb_ | selects | Oct 11 01:53 |
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| msb_ | Some very old (and funky) scifi movies can be found whole on youtube. | Oct 11 01:54 |
| cubexyz | Sony wasn't helpful at all when I asked them about replacement TV parts | Oct 11 01:55 |
| cubexyz | I still managed to source the parts though | Oct 11 01:55 |
| msb_ | I loved it when North Korea stole their movie! (If it did.) | Oct 11 01:56 |
| cubexyz | it's the parts cross-reference info that's the real gold | Oct 11 01:56 |
| cubexyz | they don't want you to know that stuff | Oct 11 01:56 |
| cubexyz | I know one guy who puts me to shame... | Oct 11 01:57 |
| cubexyz | he only uses a human-powered lawnmower :) | Oct 11 01:57 |
| cubexyz | doesn't even own a TV | Oct 11 01:57 |
| cubexyz | but that kind of person is very rare | Oct 11 01:58 |
| cubexyz | he lived during the Great Depression, so he's programmed himself to be very frugal | Oct 11 01:58 |
| msb_ | And rides a horse to work. | Oct 11 01:58 |
| cubexyz | no, he owns a car but... | Oct 11 01:58 |
| cubexyz | it doesn't have radio :) | Oct 11 01:59 |
| msb_ | Runs a version of Unix so old it doesn't even have files. | Oct 11 01:59 |
| cubexyz | it's the only car I've ever seen without a radio | Oct 11 01:59 |
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| cubexyz | no, retired | Oct 11 02:00 |
| cubexyz | he's a good person, always tries to help others | Oct 11 02:01 |
| cubexyz | just very frugal | Oct 11 02:01 |
| cubexyz | dries his clothes on a clothes-line | Oct 11 02:02 |
| cubexyz | http://www.buddhanet.net/mag_surf.htm | Oct 11 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buddhanet.net | BuddhaNet Article: Should Monks Surf the Internet? - by Ven. Pannyavaro | Oct 11 02:07 | |
| cubexyz | cyber monks! | Oct 11 02:07 |
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| cubexyz | I used to spend a fair amount of time de-crypting wma and wmv files, but now I try to avoid that | Oct 11 02:15 |
| cubexyz | lately the problem has been fdf files, a kind of DRM-protected pdf file | Oct 11 02:16 |
| cubexyz | who wants ebooks with DRM? Not me | Oct 11 02:17 |
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| MinceR | 030759 < cubexyz> cyber monks! | Oct 11 02:55 |
| MinceR | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/quake/images/c/c5/P_xaero.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120224104616 | Oct 11 02:55 |
| cubexyz | Loki Software seems like a million years ago now | Oct 11 02:59 |
| cubexyz | ok, just did something interesting, never happened before... | Oct 11 03:18 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 03:18 |
| cubexyz | x2x is running and I switched to text console | Oct 11 03:19 |
| cubexyz | so you x2x and use a different keyboard, you lose control at that point | Oct 11 03:19 |
| cubexyz | since X doesn't control the keyboard at that point | Oct 11 03:19 |
| MinceR | you switched the controlled machine to text console? | Oct 11 03:20 |
| cubexyz | yes | Oct 11 03:20 |
| MinceR | i never did that :) | Oct 11 03:20 |
| cubexyz | it actually switched the controller machine to text console as well | Oct 11 03:21 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 11 03:21 |
| cubexyz | if the cursor is on the controller machine, then I can just switch that machine to text console (as expected) | Oct 11 03:22 |
| cubexyz | and as I bonus, I managed to bork up both text consoles | Oct 11 03:22 |
| cubexyz | but ... interestingly enough, not by x2x | Oct 11 03:23 |
| cubexyz | and there's no get-out-of-borked-up-text-console free framebuffer module on openbsd | Oct 11 03:24 |
| cubexyz | if the text console gets borked up on Linux I can do: sudo modprobe radeonfb | Oct 11 03:25 |
| cubexyz | but that does't exist in openbsd | Oct 11 03:25 |
| MinceR | do openbsd gurus have an idea to fix that? | Oct 11 03:25 |
| cubexyz | not really | Oct 11 03:26 |
| cubexyz | you can use serial terminal or ssh from ethernet to do stuff of course | Oct 11 03:26 |
| cubexyz | maybe if you knew exactly which registers to write to you could fix it | Oct 11 03:27 |
| cubexyz | I know openbsd does: | Oct 11 03:30 |
| cubexyz | wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console #2880x25, vt100 emulation#29 | Oct 11 03:31 |
| cubexyz | ah, that's garbled | Oct 11 03:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 11 03:31 |
| cubexyz | the parathensis has been converted to #28 and #29 | Oct 11 03:32 |
| cubexyz | wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) | Oct 11 03:32 |
| cubexyz | that is correct | Oct 11 03:32 |
| cubexyz | I must admit Linux does this better than openbsd | Oct 11 03:35 |
| MinceR | but not for long, if redcrap has its way :> | Oct 11 03:35 |
| cubexyz | the openbsd gurus don't think the framebuffer is important | Oct 11 03:36 |
| cubexyz | you can control the text console on openbsd with: | Oct 11 03:37 |
| cubexyz | wsconscfg -t 80x50 6 | Oct 11 03:37 |
| cubexyz | but if it completely goes blank then you're screwed | Oct 11 03:37 |
| cubexyz | parenthesis | Oct 11 03:40 |
| cubexyz | it's stupid there's no reset feature | Oct 11 03:46 |
| cubexyz | System/390 does things a lot better than PCs | Oct 11 04:03 |
| cubexyz | separate memory partitions for one thing | Oct 11 04:04 |
| cubexyz | basically less code for GUIs and more code for error detection, error isolation and recovery | Oct 11 04:05 |
| cubexyz | that's not to say Linux or BSD couldn't be better than it currently is | Oct 11 04:06 |
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| msb_ | http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/32876-leaked-tpp-intellectual-property-chapter-spells-doom-for-free-speech-online | Oct 11 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readersupportednews.org | Leaked TPP Intellectual Property Chapter Spells Doom for Free Speech Online [ http://ur1.ca/nze9w ] | Oct 11 07:00 | |
| msb_ | By Cory Doctorow, | Oct 11 07:00 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/lmbrownlee1/status/653132197071683584 | Oct 11 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lmbrownlee1: Yeah. This is going to be real popular. Software patents. Like patent reform - just keeps boomeranging back. https://t.co/JEJK5eYzeE | Oct 11 09:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: European Pirate Party MEP Julia Reda Says #TPP Will Bring Software Patents to #Europe and Other Continents/Countries http://t.co/g2dVWNsxrR | Oct 11 09:58 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: thanks | Oct 11 09:58 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: A luta continua | Oct 11 10:03 |
| msb_ | They never stop. The Earth has been invaded by insectoid psychopath predators in human form. | Oct 11 10:05 |
| msb_ | We, the human race, are their prey. | Oct 11 10:06 |
| msb_ | God created Arrakis to train the faithful. | Oct 11 10:07 |
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| msb_ | This is our planet. It was nice here until about 5,000 years ago when they appeared. | Oct 11 10:09 |
| msb_ | We had Goddess religions -- Earth-centered religions -- that told us how to take care of our world. | Oct 11 10:10 |
| msb_ | The insectoids programmed people to destroy it. | Oct 11 10:11 |
| msb_ | To dominate. | Oct 11 10:11 |
| msb_ | But this is still our planet. We must awaken those of us who have been programmed. | Oct 11 10:12 |
| msb_ | We must take the power away from the psychopaths. We are many and they are few. | Oct 11 10:13 |
| msb_ | They use mind-control to dominate us. If we wake up, we can take our world back. | Oct 11 10:15 |
| msb_ | "Come all you working men, farmers and weavers too. If you would only stand as one, this world belongs to you." Ballad of the Carpenter -- Phil Ochs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TvfBxIkupA | Oct 11 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Phil Ochs - Ballad Of The Carpenter - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n1f7x ] | Oct 11 10:21 | |
| msb_ | "Two thousand years have passed and gone, many a hero too. But the dream of this poor carpenter remains in the hands of you." | Oct 11 10:24 |
| msb_ | The correct wording of the phrase is actually "A luta continua, vitória é certa" meaning, "The struggle continues, victory is certain". | Oct 11 10:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/653145382810222594 | Oct 11 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz #Apple Another #IT giant colluding w/#NSA | Oct 11 10:53 | |
| MinceR | "God" does not exist. | Oct 11 13:40 |
| MinceR | and religions only tell us lies. | Oct 11 13:41 |
| MinceR | we must use our reason, if we can and are willing to do so. | Oct 11 13:41 |
| MinceR | i wonder if openbsd has better task/io scheduling than linux | Oct 11 14:06 |
| MinceR | http://8ch.net/tech/src/1444325882472-0.jpg http://8ch.net/tech/src/1444325882473-2.jpg | Oct 11 14:58 |
| schestowitz | > http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/ | Oct 11 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzhna ] | Oct 11 15:02 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > systemd is not "here to stay" it is merely very pernicious and spreading | Oct 11 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > at the moment. | Oct 11 15:03 |
| schestowitz | It'll take a lot to stop Red Hat's grand plan though. | Oct 11 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > " Not one person (including my offender manager) thought the punishment | Oct 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | > fit the crime," | Oct 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | > https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-isnt-worth-the-risk-of-prison-freed-cammer-says-150927/ | Oct 11 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com | Piracy Isn't Worth The Risk of Prison, Freed Cammer Says - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/nzho0 ] | Oct 11 15:06 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | > an effect of privatization of prisons | Oct 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | https://github.com/wimpunk/ddclient | Oct 11 15:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | wimpunk/ddclient · GitHub | Oct 11 15:53 | |
| schestowitz | - | Oct 11 15:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.noip.com/ | Oct 11 15:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.noip.com | Free Dynamic DNS - Managed DNS - Managed Email - Domain Registration - No-IP | Oct 11 15:53 | |
| schestowitz | - | Oct 11 15:53 |
| schestowitz | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS#Registering_with_a_Dynamic_DNS_provider | Oct 11 15:54 |
| schestowitz | You can then point your own CNAME at their A record | Oct 11 15:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-help.ubuntu.com | DynamicDNS - Community Help Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/nzhye ] | Oct 11 15:54 | |
| schestowitz | > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/theres-nothing-mindblowing-about-windows-releasing-a-linux-os | Oct 11 15:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com | There's Nothing Mindblowing About Windows Releasing Its Own Linux OS | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/nzhyq ] | Oct 11 15:55 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 15:55 |
| schestowitz | > opening pp is wrong. no, only < 90% of all desktops and definitely | Oct 11 15:55 |
| schestowitz | > barely present in embedded systems and consoles. | Oct 11 15:55 |
| schestowitz | I noticed that very same line 2 weeks ago and pointed that out in Twitter. I didn't miss this lie either. I wonder if the author noticed his critics... | Oct 11 15:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/653224382676996096 | Oct 11 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Most of them actually are, being foreign-funded. | Oct 11 16:07 | |
| schestowitz | Some, not all, and it's being used by extension to crush dissent | Oct 11 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/snowden-treaty-proposed-to-curtail-mass-surveillance-and-protect-whistleblowers/ | Oct 11 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | “Snowden Treaty” proposed to curtail mass surveillance and protect whistleblowers | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nuuqv ] | Oct 11 16:16 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | > can't recall if I sent this via .co.uk | Oct 11 16:16 |
| schestowitz | maybe, I'm going backwards in time now, so I don't know... yet. :-) | Oct 11 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | >>> >> http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/ | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Oct 11 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzhna ] | Oct 11 17:02 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> systemd is not "here to stay" it is merely very pernicious and spreading | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> at the moment. | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | >> > It'll take a lot to stop Red Hat's grand plan though. | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > They probably saw the Halloween Documents and realized to try the same | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > as M$, to decommoditize Linux. | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Will help sell RHEL support contracts, that's for sure... | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JamieXML/status/653241663997935616 | Oct 11 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JamieXML: "When fighting monsters … do not become a monster." Open hackathons versus hypercommercialized resume mills? https://t.co/ATdNoAdOx6 | Oct 11 17:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Selling Out and the Death of Hacker Culture https://t.co/1WdP9DsHGo "We’ve sold each other for profit and lost what makes us happy." | Oct 11 17:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6691730 | Oct 11 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: " If you head to WPS.com, you find only Android, iOS and Linux versions of the suite." http://www.cnet.com/news/whats-the-best-free-alternative-to-microsoft-office/ no #microsoft #windows | Oct 11 17:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnet.com | What's the best free alternative to Microsoft Office? - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/nzih8 ] | Oct 11 17:39 | |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: Regarding systemd "here to stay", the author Christine Hall is not a software engineer, and knows nothing of good engineering principles. This according to her autobio in one of her sites. She's a literary writer. | Oct 11 21:29 |
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| msb_ | MinceR: "<MinceR> and religions only tell us lies". You really should do some research before spouting such huge generalizations (Karl Marx didn't invent capitalism, either). What I wrote about were "Goddess religions -- Earth-centered religions -- that told us how to take care of our world". These gave people instructions for planting, weeding, harvesting, raising animals, etc., told as _stories_ by and about beings. This format | Oct 11 21:37 |
| msb_ | made the information much more interesting and memorable to people than a bare list of instructions, because it appealed to their associative/metaphorical minds, not just their linear/literal minds. Read up on Wicca. | Oct 11 21:37 |
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| MinceR | yes, let's confuse agriculture with religion | Oct 11 22:19 |
| MinceR | confusion works in putin's favor, after all | Oct 11 22:19 |
| msb_ | I wrote a lengthy comment about systemd: http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671 | Oct 11 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671 ) | Oct 11 22:21 | |
| MinceR | and even if you get the procedure right by rote, embedding it in religion makes it static and impossible to improve | Oct 11 22:26 |
| MinceR | thus you get rules that forbid eating pork, shellfish, etc. | Oct 11 22:26 |
| msb_ | MinceR: No, you are confusing JCI religion with Wicca/Witchcraft/Goddess religion, which you probably have never researched. Goddess religions are joyful and flexible. And BTW, if you put some milk and cookies under your bed for Putin, who lives there, he'll be happy and will stop plotting against you. | Oct 11 22:32 |
| MinceR | no, i'm talking about the fundamental principles of religion | Oct 11 22:34 |
| MinceR | the idea of possessing a "Truth" that is inaccessible to reason, unprovable and delivered via revelation | Oct 11 22:34 |
| MinceR | typically marking the ones possessing it as the Chosen People and everyone else as evil and/or expendable | Oct 11 22:34 |
| MinceR | and since it's inaccessible to reason and unprovable, it's also typically static | Oct 11 22:35 |
| MinceR | and the only thing that will stop putin plotting against me is his death | Oct 11 22:35 |
| MinceR | and by the way, putin is plotting against you as well, even if you refuse to realize it | Oct 11 22:35 |
| msb_ | So put poison in his milk and cookies. | Oct 11 22:36 |
| MinceR | i don't have access to his food or drink. | Oct 11 22:36 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You are talking about the fundamental principles of Judeo/Christian/Islamic religion. Goddess religions are very different. Read about them. | Oct 11 22:45 |
| MinceR | are goddess religions devoid of dogma and magical thinking, then? | Oct 11 22:52 |
| MinceR | do they apply the scientific method? | Oct 11 22:52 |
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| msb_ | Goddess religions use metaphor, song, and dance, and are not absolutist. Note that _you_ don't use the scientific method, whose first principle is to gather information. You refuse to do that. | Oct 11 23:02 |
| MinceR | no, the first principle of the scientific method is _not_ "gobble up all the bullshit from putin's propaganda machine" | Oct 11 23:02 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Do you think that Putin invented Goddess religions, as you think that Karl Marx invented capitalism? | Oct 11 23:05 |
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| cubexyz | AMI is under Microsoft's thumb | Oct 12 00:20 |
| cubexyz | it's an inescapeable conclusion | Oct 12 00:20 |
| cubexyz | everything they do uses Microsoft tech | Oct 12 00:23 |
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| cubexyz | motherboard ID utility? Naturally it only works with windows | Oct 12 00:23 |
| cubexyz | BIOS update? same | Oct 12 00:24 |
| cubexyz | building the BIOS image? MASM | Oct 12 00:24 |
| cubexyz | oh well, screw AMI | Oct 12 00:29 |
| cubexyz | I can't over-emphasize how bad this situation is | Oct 12 00:30 |
| cubexyz | one might think, ok things aren't that bad but... | Oct 12 00:32 |
| cubexyz | I can just turn off secure boot or whatever | Oct 12 00:32 |
| cubexyz | but that is just the tip of the iceberg | Oct 12 00:32 |
| cubexyz | Tyan offers coreboot with there Opteron Line (I think you have to ask for it though) | Oct 12 00:35 |
| cubexyz | s/there/their/ | Oct 12 00:35 |
| cubexyz | so Tyan, MSI, and Gigabyte are one's best bet for coreboot | Oct 12 00:36 |
| cubexyz | I guess I'll contact Gigabyte and see what's up | Oct 12 00:39 |
| cubexyz | are they actually shipping coreboot on some motherboards, that is the question | Oct 12 00:39 |
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| cubexyz | we need to guard ourselves against the proprietary firmware companies | Oct 12 02:21 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: You seem to be using a "contamination" paradigm here, i.e., because AMI uses MS tools, their product is "under Microsoft's thumb" and therefore as evil as Microshit. | Oct 12 02:25 |
| cubexyz | it's worse than merely used Microsoft tools | Oct 12 02:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6680679 | Oct 12 02:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Software that is called "app" is almost always proprietary and connected to GPS, gyro etc. and can therefore never be trusted. Trendy? Yes. | Oct 12 02:26 | |
| schestowitz | "Yes, F-droid alerts you to antifeatures https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/Antifeatures" | Oct 12 02:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-f-droid.org | Antifeatures - F-Droid [ http://ur1.ca/nzkma ] | Oct 12 02:26 | |
| cubexyz | it's using M$ tools to generate a proprietary blackbox product | Oct 12 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Nice | Oct 12 02:26 |
| cubexyz | I'm just pointing out that AMI is heavily dependent on Microsoft | Oct 12 02:26 |
| cubexyz | and of course it makes it harder to do basic stuff with AMI BIOS with a Linux computer | Oct 12 02:27 |
| cubexyz | like flashing your bios | Oct 12 02:27 |
| cubexyz | Hence AMI is bad, and better alternatives exist | Oct 12 02:27 |
| msb_ | I would like to present an alternative. When I first bought a mobo, and maybe before when I looked into the B | Oct 12 02:29 |
| msb_ | BIOS of my first PC. The BIOS mfr that I remember is AMI. They may have been the first and principal bios mfr. | Oct 12 02:30 |
| cubexyz | Gary Kildall invented the first BIOS | Oct 12 02:30 |
| msb_ | They started using MS tools because those were what was available for PCs. I did too. | Oct 12 02:30 |
| cubexyz | originally Intel wrote their own tools | Oct 12 02:31 |
| cubexyz | then shortly after that they started using MASM | Oct 12 02:32 |
| msb_ | But AMI was the popular BIOS mfr, not Kildall. | Oct 12 02:32 |
| cubexyz | there was a history of CP/M computers before then IBM PC existed | Oct 12 02:34 |
| msb_ | You say updating the bios requires a windows program. It's not true, at least with the asus 990fx mobo. A bios image can be loaded from a usb stick using only the bios, no OS at all. | Oct 12 02:34 |
| msb_ | The point is, the fact that AMI uses MS tools does not mean that their BIOS is "bad". | Oct 12 02:35 |
| cubexyz | I fail to see how it could be any worse | Oct 12 02:36 |
| msb_ | The 990FX mobo uses an ami bios, but it can be updated without using windows. | Oct 12 02:36 |
| cubexyz | that's about as bad as can be | Oct 12 02:36 |
| MinceR | i think we'll find out in a decade or a few decades how bad it can be | Oct 12 02:36 |
| MinceR | apparently everyone who has power wants that | Oct 12 02:37 |
| cubexyz | the original IBM PC BIOS was built with Intel ASM86 | Oct 12 02:37 |
| msb_ | Your use of "bad" and "worse" are contentless judgement terms. You're afraid of contamination. You have to specify precisely _what_ is bad and _why_ it is bad. | Oct 12 02:37 |
| cubexyz | I did specifiy _exactly_ what was bad | Oct 12 02:38 |
| msb_ | What? Everything from AMI? | Oct 12 02:38 |
| cubexyz | proprietary closed source BIOS which can't be reviewed or checked in any way other than reverse engineering | Oct 12 02:38 |
| cubexyz | if it wasn't for the leaks, I would have no clue at all about what AMI does | Oct 12 02:39 |
| msb_ | What I suspect you're going to come up with is a slow expensive mobo/cpu combination, that will be of no use to people who want to play games or watch videos. But you won't care because _you_ don't play games or watch videos. | Oct 12 02:40 |
| cubexyz | msb_ you are a real goof | Oct 12 02:40 |
| cubexyz | I worked for LGP | Oct 12 02:40 |
| cubexyz | do you know what that means? | Oct 12 02:41 |
| msb_ | No, I'm telling the truth. | Oct 12 02:41 |
| msb_ | No | Oct 12 02:41 |
| cubexyz | it means I worked for a video game publisher | Oct 12 02:41 |
| cubexyz | Linux Game Publishing | Oct 12 02:41 |
| msb_ | So what? If your solution is no good for playing games or watching compressed videos, it will not be accepted by the majority of people. If you don't care about that, then you should admit it. | Oct 12 02:42 |
| msb_ | Linux can already circumvent UEFI, and the 990FX mobo can even turn it off entirely. | Oct 12 02:43 |
| MinceR | can it circumvent Restricted Boot that presents no option for disabling and doesn't let you to change the keys? | Oct 12 02:44 |
| msb_ | So the problem that remains is AMT/DASH, and if that can be solved with a $50 to $100 SBC router with open-source code, then _that_ solution _will_ work for most people. | Oct 12 02:45 |
| msb_ | MinceR: There is some kind of shim loader that is signed with MS keys that enables all Linuxes to boot. | Oct 12 02:46 |
| MinceR | until m$ makes up a malware scare and revokes those keys. | Oct 12 02:46 |
| MinceR | s/those keys/the certificate that loader is signed with/ | Oct 12 02:47 |
| cubexyz | right, let's become more dependent on Microsoft :-P | Oct 12 02:47 |
| cubexyz | what a stupid idea | Oct 12 02:47 |
| MinceR | having m$ hold the only keys to one's "computer" is unacceptable | Oct 12 02:47 |
| cubexyz | it's very simple... | Oct 12 02:47 |
| msb_ | Can those keys be revoked? That would require the bios to call home to MS before accepting the keys.] | Oct 12 02:47 |
| cubexyz | if you don't have the source code you don't have control, simple as that | Oct 12 02:47 |
| MinceR | afaik it's designed so it can be revoked | Oct 12 02:47 |
| msb_ | MinceR: please give a reference. | Oct 12 02:48 |
| MinceR | but it may require booting some OS that's obedient to m$ to actually do the call home | Oct 12 02:48 |
| MinceR | another way would be exploiting a security hole in winblows to chain-load your own bootloader | Oct 12 02:48 |
| MinceR | but i don't want to have to jailbreak my computer | Oct 12 02:48 |
| msb_ | In that case, if the shim loader loads Linux, the MS key cannot be revoked. | Oct 12 02:48 |
| MinceR | until someone boots winblows on that system once | Oct 12 02:49 |
| MinceR | or until systemd does the call home, etc. | Oct 12 02:49 |
| MinceR | https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html-single/UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide/#sect-UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide-What_is_Secure_Boot-Risks-Unproven_Revocation | Oct 12 02:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html-single/UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide/#sect-UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide-What_is_Secure_Boot-Risks-Unproven_Revocation ) | Oct 12 02:49 | |
| msb_ | On the 990FX mobo all the keys can be removed in the process of turning off UEFI. | Oct 12 02:49 |
| MinceR | as usual, they aren't terribly forthcoming on the details | Oct 12 02:50 |
| MinceR | apparently what our computers are doing are the business of m$, crApple and redcrap | Oct 12 02:50 |
| cubexyz | there's redboot now | Oct 12 02:50 |
| cubexyz | Redhat made it | Oct 12 02:50 |
| MinceR | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12897.html | Oct 12 02:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | The security of Secure Boot | Oct 12 02:51 | |
| MinceR | find: "revocation" | Oct 12 02:51 |
| MinceR | "But eventually you'll be noticed, and then Microsoft produce a key revocation blob and vendors push it out via their OS update mechanisms." | Oct 12 02:51 |
| cubexyz | why put yourselves in a position where you'd be dependent on Microsoft's key? | Oct 12 02:52 |
| cubexyz | madness... | Oct 12 02:52 |
| MinceR | is it madness if most people are "mad"? | Oct 12 02:52 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RedBoot | Oct 12 02:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | RedBoot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 12 02:52 | |
| cubexyz | MinceR, yes | Oct 12 02:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 12 02:52 |
| cubexyz | the truth is the truth | Oct 12 02:52 |
| cubexyz | most people aren't 'mad', they just don't think about stuff like BIOS | Oct 12 02:53 |
| MinceR | it seems to me that most people happily cede control to companies like m$ and crApple | Oct 12 02:53 |
| MinceR | for example, see the popularity of crApple's backdoored mobile devices | Oct 12 02:54 |
| cubexyz | what they tell me is one of two things: | Oct 12 02:54 |
| MinceR | also, talk to such people | Oct 12 02:54 |
| MinceR | they'll tell you they don't mind | Oct 12 02:54 |
| cubexyz | I'm too old to learn $NEW_THING | Oct 12 02:54 |
| cubexyz | or | Oct 12 02:54 |
| cubexyz | It's too hard to learn, I can't understand it | Oct 12 02:54 |
| cubexyz | I made the same mistakes when I was younger | Oct 12 02:55 |
| cubexyz | it's taken me a long time to get to this point | Oct 12 02:55 |
| cubexyz | and they are right, it is hard to learn all the details about the BIOS | Oct 12 02:56 |
| cubexyz | but that's what I've decided to do | Oct 12 02:56 |
| cubexyz | like I said before, I'm seeing more customers use chromebooks, so there is some will to break away from the "mother-ship" of Microsoft | Oct 12 02:57 |
| amarsh04 | forgot to repost this here from the author of uselessd: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ | Oct 12 02:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ] | Oct 12 02:57 | |
| MinceR | if only to move to the "mother-ship" of google | Oct 12 02:57 |
| MinceR | as most of them will never use developer mode | Oct 12 02:57 |
| cubexyz | Mincer, if you have a superior suggestion, I'm all ears :) | Oct 12 02:58 |
| MinceR | but at least they could if they wanted to | Oct 12 02:58 |
| MinceR | i don't have any suggestion that can be practically implemented right now | Oct 12 02:58 |
| cubexyz | I can tell you I've talked to some Google and Coreboot people | Oct 12 02:58 |
| cubexyz | and they are much friendlier than Microsoft people by far | Oct 12 02:59 |
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| cubexyz | all AMI has to do to change my mind about them is simple: give me commented source code to one motherboard | Oct 12 02:59 |
| cubexyz | that's it... if they do that, I'll give them a thumbs up | Oct 12 03:00 |
| cubexyz | people do have a vague idea that the computer world is getting more closed | Oct 12 03:01 |
| cubexyz | look at PVRs, once they did not encrypt the video, now they almost always do | Oct 12 03:01 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, hopefully Novena will catch on and become cheaper | Oct 12 03:02 |
| MinceR | hopefully they're willing to manufacture the Senoko boards again | Oct 12 03:03 |
| MinceR | without those, it isn't even a laptop | Oct 12 03:03 |
| MinceR | at any rate, it's probably a PITA to acquire at all | Oct 12 03:04 |
| MinceR | well, at least some chromebooks are available for sale in hungary now | Oct 12 03:04 |
| MinceR | afaict a few months ago there were none | Oct 12 03:04 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: It's ridiculous to expect AMI to give you "commented source code to one motherboard". They would be killing their entire business -- their source of income. | Oct 12 03:06 |
| cubexyz | msb_, I told them any motherboard, no matter how old | Oct 12 03:06 |
| cubexyz | well, newer than IBM PC at least | Oct 12 03:07 |
| msb_ | What would a very old one accomplish? | Oct 12 03:07 |
| cubexyz | I have commented AMI BIOS source code anyways | Oct 12 03:07 |
| msb_ | Please share it. | Oct 12 03:07 |
| msb_ | Does it deal with UEFI/secure-boot or AMT/DASH? | Oct 12 03:08 |
| MinceR | well, redcrap has apparently developed a method to avoid leaking commented source code | Oct 12 03:08 |
| cubexyz | I have two: 1999 era, and 2011 era BIOS | Oct 12 03:08 |
| MinceR | they don't write comments in the first place | Oct 12 03:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ami-firmware.torrent | Oct 12 03:09 |
| cubexyz | that's the newer one | Oct 12 03:09 |
| msb_ | So far, what I've seen about MS revoking their keys involves MS putting out a BIOS update. | Oct 12 03:09 |
| MinceR | i don't think that's a full-blown BIOS update | Oct 12 03:10 |
| MinceR | but what if it is? | Oct 12 03:10 |
| MinceR | they're still going to install it automatically if you let their malware boot once | Oct 12 03:10 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/mystery-code-do-not-look.zip | Oct 12 03:10 |
| cubexyz | ok, that disappears in a hour :) | Oct 12 03:10 |
| cubexyz | you have your chance, make your time :) | Oct 12 03:10 |
| MinceR | mystery meat! | Oct 12 03:11 |
| MinceR | you have no chance to survive make your time. | Oct 12 03:11 |
| msb_ | To avoid that, one can refuse any BIOS update. But a safer approach is to save your working BIOS, and reflash with that if your bios gets updated against your wishes. | Oct 12 03:11 |
| MinceR | if they allow you to reflash | Oct 12 03:11 |
| cubexyz | some notes: | Oct 12 03:12 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/bios.txt | Oct 12 03:12 |
| cubexyz | the weird thing is AMI does have a SVN for BIOS source code | Oct 12 03:14 |
| cubexyz | not sure how much $$$ you need to get access | Oct 12 03:15 |
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| cubexyz | the problem with using Microsoft's key is what if you compile your kernel and now they need you to have a signed kernel? | Oct 12 03:19 |
| cubexyz | it's a problem | Oct 12 03:19 |
| MinceR | probably one of the first steps will involve demanding you to use redcrap's signed kernel blob | Oct 12 03:21 |
| MinceR | and it will get darker from there | Oct 12 03:21 |
| cubexyz | so forced systemd potentially | Oct 12 03:21 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 12 03:21 |
| MinceR | i suspect that kernel will be garrettux anyway | Oct 12 03:22 |
| MinceR | with kdbus | Oct 12 03:22 |
| cubexyz | the 1999 BIOS is pretty clean, I haven't found anything bad | Oct 12 03:22 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Thanks for that stuff! | Oct 12 03:23 |
| cubexyz | msb_, what stuff? | Oct 12 03:23 |
| cubexyz | :) | Oct 12 03:23 |
| cubexyz | just a mystery file that will be deleted | Oct 12 03:23 |
| msb_ | Can't one just use the signed shim-loader and then any OS? | Oct 12 03:23 |
| cubexyz | maybe | Oct 12 03:24 |
| MinceR | only as long as m$ will sign (and not revoke the signature on) a loader that will load any OS | Oct 12 03:24 |
| MinceR | see 'malware scare' above | Oct 12 03:24 |
| cubexyz | it's such a simple thing, wanting the BIOS source code | Oct 12 03:25 |
| cubexyz | and yet, so difficult to get | Oct 12 03:25 |
| MinceR | it's such a simple thing, wanting control over what a device someone bought with their own money | Oct 12 03:26 |
| msb_ | But if you can save the original bios image, and then reflash it if MS manages to change your bios, you're ok, right? | Oct 12 03:26 |
| MinceR | does | Oct 12 03:26 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if you can even dump the image | Oct 12 03:26 |
| MinceR | or where it actually stores the revocation information | Oct 12 03:26 |
| cubexyz | right, it's all a big mystery | Oct 12 03:27 |
| msb_ | With the 990FX mobo, you can dump the bios image to a usb stick and restore it from there using only the bios -- no os. You can do the same with the keys. | Oct 12 03:28 |
| cubexyz | the fact of the matter is, not even raspberry pi has BIOS source code | Oct 12 03:28 |
| msb_ | But hopefully some SBC does, with two ethernet ports, that can be used to make a router. | Oct 12 03:30 |
| MinceR | or an ethernet port and a usb port, or two usb ports | Oct 12 03:30 |
| MinceR | though i guess usb ethernet dongles are less than optimal | Oct 12 03:31 |
| cubexyz | eventually someone is going to do it | Oct 12 03:31 |
| MinceR | but afaik raspberry pi-s already use an ethernet port that's internally connected via usb | Oct 12 03:31 |
| cubexyz | Award merged with Phoenix btw | Oct 12 03:31 |
| cubexyz | the other question is why did IBM offer 286 BIOS source code, and never again after that? | Oct 12 03:32 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Right! Two more names I remember. | Oct 12 03:33 |
| cubexyz | but I don't remember flashing the BIOS on a 286 | Oct 12 03:34 |
| cubexyz | imagine booting into a BASIC of your own design | Oct 12 03:35 |
| *MinceR shudders | Oct 12 03:35 | |
| cubexyz | on the Amiga we changed the rom chip | Oct 12 03:39 |
| MinceR | apparently now discrete rom chips and sockets are too expensive | Oct 12 03:40 |
| msb_ | The hard part may be finding the AMT/DASH command packet codes so they can be filtered out. | Oct 12 03:40 |
| cubexyz | you had to update the BIOS somehow on the IBM AT to get 720K 3.5" drives working | Oct 12 03:41 |
| cubexyz | my 286 clone had 1.2 meg 5.25 drives | Oct 12 03:42 |
| cubexyz | Compaq reverse engineerede the IBM BIOS | Oct 12 03:49 |
| cubexyz | engineered | Oct 12 03:49 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Franklin_Computer_Corp. | Oct 12 03:50 |
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| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Franklin_Computer_Corp | Oct 12 03:51 |
| cubexyz | ok, just search on "Apple Computer vs Franklin" | Oct 12 03:53 |
| cubexyz | Franklin cloned the Apple II | Oct 12 03:53 |
| cubexyz | Franklin actually won their case but... | Oct 12 03:54 |
| cubexyz | Apple appealed | Oct 12 03:55 |
| cubexyz | I think the IBM 286 used Phoenix BIOS | Oct 12 03:55 |
| cubexyz | or maybe it was the clones | Oct 12 03:55 |
| cubexyz | anyways, Phoenix made the first PC ROM BIOS 'clone' | Oct 12 03:57 |
| cubexyz | Phoenix also developed the PS/2 BIOS | Oct 12 03:58 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/jepsFVd.jpg | Oct 12 04:38 |
| cubexyz | interesting magazine prediction from 1987: | Oct 12 05:02 |
| cubexyz | "the market will transition from an IBM standard to a Intel/MS-DOS/expansion bus standard" | Oct 12 05:02 |
| msb_ | Can't find anything on the AMD website about whether the FX-8350 contains the DASH system. DASH is supposed to be an "open standard" so maybe they'll talk to me on the phone about it. | Oct 12 05:34 |
| msb_ | I've narrowed the population I want to find secure solutions for two groups: 1. People willing to use Linux who already have a computer they like 2. People willing to use Linux and are looking to buy a new fast computer. | Oct 12 05:38 |
| msb_ | Of course windows users are hopeless. | Oct 12 05:38 |
| msb_ | AMD FX-8350 CPU and ASUS 990FX mobo will work for group 2 (which includes me) if that CPU doesn't have DASH or if its command packets can be filtered out by an SBC router. | Oct 12 05:41 |
| cubexyz | the corporate forces are aligned against the people | Oct 12 05:41 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft, AMI, Adobe, Apple, etc etc | Oct 12 05:41 |
| cubexyz | oh you may as well add HP to that list | Oct 12 05:42 |
| cubexyz | they've been quite unhelpful in the last decade or so | Oct 12 05:42 |
| msb_ | Why include AMI? Their BIOS for the 990FX can totally disable secure-boot, and can easily (re-)flash the BIOS. | Oct 12 05:43 |
| cubexyz | well AMI is a google partner | Oct 12 05:49 |
| msb_ | ...and remove and replace the secure-boot keys. | Oct 12 05:49 |
| msb_ | So? | Oct 12 05:50 |
| cubexyz | I have to study this on a case by case basis but so far I do not trust AMI | Oct 12 05:53 |
| cubexyz | there's been cases of ASUS notebook owners getting locked out of Linux | Oct 12 05:54 |
| cubexyz | AMI BIOS | Oct 12 05:55 |
| msb_ | Were you able to fix them? | Oct 12 05:55 |
| cubexyz | no, these were people I haven't met in person | Oct 12 05:56 |
| cubexyz | just telling me about it via email | Oct 12 05:56 |
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| msb_ | Did they get fixed? | Oct 12 05:56 |
| cubexyz | basically what they tell me is that they disabled secure boot and still couldn't load linux on | Oct 12 05:56 |
| msb_ | So this was during Linux installation? | Oct 12 05:57 |
| cubexyz | yes, I think after quite a long time they did manage to get Kubuntu on | Oct 12 05:59 |
| msb_ | What did the problem turn out to be? | Oct 12 05:59 |
| cubexyz | something about "launch CSM" | Oct 12 05:59 |
| msb_ | That's the compatibility (no secure-boot) module. | Oct 12 06:00 |
| msb_ | Was their bios up to date? | Oct 12 06:01 |
| cubexyz | I doubt it | Oct 12 06:01 |
| msb_ | maybe thi | Oct 12 06:01 |
| msb_ | maybe their CSM was half-baked. | Oct 12 06:02 |
| msb_ | It might be a comparatively new feature, as AMI realized that there are a lot of Linu | Oct 12 06:03 |
| msb_ | Linux users. | Oct 12 06:03 |
| msb_ | So that's not a reason to reject AMI. | Oct 12 06:04 |
| cubexyz | I'm looking at some AMI code right now | Oct 12 06:12 |
| cubexyz | and it's clear it's been designed mainly for Windows 7 | Oct 12 06:12 |
| cubexyz | there is much to study here | Oct 12 06:13 |
| msb_ | Does Linux ever execute any bios code once it has booted up? | Oct 12 06:14 |
| cubexyz | I'll say that modern BIOS can operate at a level which is invisible to the main OS | Oct 12 06:17 |
| cubexyz | so basically AMI is writing for Windows first | Oct 12 06:18 |
| msb_ | can it do that if it never gets executed after boot. | Oct 12 06:18 |
| cubexyz | Linux is an after-thought | Oct 12 06:18 |
| cubexyz | I know the Linux folks try to use the BIOS as little as possible since they don't trust it | Oct 12 06:18 |
| msb_ | So we're interested in whether there are any nasties built into bios that could operate under Linux. | Oct 12 06:19 |
| cubexyz | invisible to Linux I think is the best way to describe it | Oct 12 06:19 |
| cubexyz | sometimes that is called ring -1 | Oct 12 06:19 |
| cubexyz | I know AMI tests on Redhat | Oct 12 06:21 |
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| cubexyz | the BIOS knows which OS you have | Oct 12 06:21 |
| msb_ | First off, one should boot Linux air-gapped -- with the Net physically disconnected. That way any nasties couldn't phone home. So they'd have to know how to mess up any of the many distros from info included in the bios. | Oct 12 06:21 |
| cubexyz | well the first place I'm looking is SmmDriverDispatcher.c | Oct 12 06:22 |
| cubexyz | some of it is under a BSD license | Oct 12 06:25 |
| cubexyz | also there's comments complaining about what the Microsoft compiler does | Oct 12 06:29 |
| cubexyz | well probably wireshark or tcpdump would be good enough to see any phone home activity | Oct 12 06:31 |
| cubexyz | I guess it wouldn't show everything | Oct 12 06:32 |
| cubexyz | if you ran everything for 10 years and never had a problem well then I would say it's fine | Oct 12 06:35 |
| cubexyz | but my computers are all non-DASH | Oct 12 06:36 |
| cubexyz | it's interesting watching the ARP traffic | Oct 12 06:40 |
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| cubexyz | if the router becomes unreponsive I'll watch to see if the ARP messages are still happening | Oct 12 06:42 |
| msb_ | Ring -1 is for VM execs, right? And since there are open-source VM execs, we should be able to figure out how to detect ring -1 activity. | Oct 12 07:32 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653461705704538112 | Oct 12 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Congratulations on obtaining a copy of the Closer Contact With Major Applicants document that you were able to publish. Great. | Oct 12 09:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/653462041374687232 | Oct 12 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID. | Oct 12 09:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/653462041374687232 | Oct 12 09:54 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: https://community.amd.com/ideas/1115 | Oct 12 17:13 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: on the phone now with AMD customer service to get info on DASH | Oct 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrauweilerK/status/653593778322731011 | Oct 12 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrauweilerK: Brisanter Vermerk: Europäisches Patentamt soll Großkunden wie Microsoft bevorzugen: Das Blog "Techrights" hat ... http://t.co/vsPNx1GpUY | Oct 12 17:25 | |
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| schestowitz | germany's biggest it news site | Oct 12 17:26 |
| schestowitz | techrights cited | Oct 12 17:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653598877371793408 | Oct 12 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz cool Heise story about your EPO closer contacts post! | Oct 12 17:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LibertyIsALady/status/653572395043651584 | Oct 12 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LibertyIsALady: @bi_politics Righttttt. http://t.co/oqp0RX9cQd http://t.co/U7hjygr6VX | Oct 12 17:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.jbbardot.com | Doomsday Seed Vault In The Arctic - Bill Gates, Rockefeller And GMO Giants Monsanto, Syngenta Know Something We Don’t | Oct 12 17:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | Oct 12 17:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CMSFreiberufler/status/653599027087339521 | Oct 12 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CMSFreiberufler: Brisanter Vermerk: Europäisches Patentamt soll Großkunden wie Microsoft bevorzugen: Das Blog "Techrights" hat ... http://t.co/GoMaIdX5S1 | Oct 12 17:36 | |
| msb_ | DASH info should be coming from AMD in the next two days. | Oct 12 17:40 |
| msb_ | ...or a SWAT team. I told him I wanted the info so people could _prevent_ their computer from being remote controlled. | Oct 12 17:42 |
| schestowitz | without the pointer to the document title it wouldn't have happened, so thanks | Oct 12 17:44 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Congratulations! | Oct 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/653551114021904384 | Oct 12 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Actual link to the article is http://t.co/Z5H1vaNce6 :-) | Oct 12 17:47 | |
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| schestowitz | oops, I was on the phone when I posted this... | Oct 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653612661117198336 | Oct 12 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz no problem. I just had to honor a promise not to publish or share it myself. Glad you're increasingly focused on EPO isses | Oct 12 17:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/653520905339998209 | Oct 12 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "ppl may face jail time for ©® infringements [even]without financial gain if [such] significantly impact ©® holders" https://t.co/iijxJSnxuE | Oct 12 17:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Leaked #TPP Chapter Proposes Drastic Copyright Changes https://t.co/gtm1PER2WQ tilting law against the poor, the empower Power | Oct 12 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: thanks | Oct 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Rich61080/status/653615616411176960 | Oct 12 18:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Rich61080: @schestowitz Genghis Khan is celebrated in Mongolia and has been recognized by the Chinese government. | Oct 12 18:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694325 | Oct 12 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux golden age threatened by bug army http://www.techeye.net/news/linux-golden-age-threatened-by-bug-army well, compare to https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/653185875715624960 | Oct 12 18:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Why are you sharing a 2 year old story?" | Oct 12 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techeye.net | Linux golden age threatened by bug army | TechEye [ http://ur1.ca/nzpv8 ] | Oct 12 18:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixcraft: New @Snowden revelations confirm @Microsoft Tells the NSA about encryption backdoors in proprietary Windows software https://t.co/SskMDnXQEc | Oct 12 18:02 | |
| schestowitz | Both links are new, but the third one is old and relevant | Oct 12 18:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6600006 | Oct 12 18:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Driver development for Windows, in #vista10 included, is still a sordid mess. Windows has hardly evolved, based on inside sources.Marketing. | Oct 12 18:03 | |
| schestowitz | "yes indeed" | Oct 12 18:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DickInman/status/653616852724154368 | Oct 12 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DickInman: @schestowitz Genghis Khan's exploits didn't have this wonderful result: #merica #HappyColumbusDay | Oct 12 18:04 | |
| schestowitz | Merica? | Oct 12 18:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694260 | Oct 12 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: White Hat Hackers Would Have Their Devices Destroyed Under the TPP http://motherboard.vice.com/read/white-hat-hackers-would-have-their-devices-destroyed-under-the-tpp #tpp is like #whitecollar crime against society | Oct 12 18:05 | |
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| schestowitz | "Secret IP police." | Oct 12 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Goons of the rich | Oct 12 18:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694474 | Oct 12 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When my wife worked in #taiwan (for US company) she said they did union-busting, fired >potential< charismatic person >AND< her friend | Oct 12 18:05 | |
| schestowitz | "wtf" | Oct 12 18:05 |
| schestowitz | #china #prc | Oct 12 18:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6693412 | Oct 12 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Solus Is Getting User Repositories http://news.softpedia.com/news/solus-is-getting-user-repositories-494310.shtml #gnu #linux | Oct 12 18:06 | |
| schestowitz | "what is their package manager? is it one that other distros use too or do they develop it completely from scratch?" | Oct 12 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Solus Is Getting User Repositories - Softpedia | Oct 12 18:06 | |
| schestowitz | Haven't checked myself, maybe others can weigh in | Oct 12 18:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/653617330807816192 | Oct 12 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz There needs to be more shoe throwing all round. | Oct 12 18:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695575 | Oct 12 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ColumbusDay is a celebration of aggressive invasion. Imagine Iraqis celebrating "Bush Day" or Cambodia celebrating "Kissinger Day". | Oct 12 18:25 | |
| schestowitz | "You're preaching to the choir, my friend." | Oct 12 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I used the hashtag hoping to reach outside the choir | Oct 12 18:25 |
| schestowitz | [21:29] <msb_> schestowitz: Regarding systemd "here to stay", the author Christine Hall is not a software engineer, and knows nothing of good engineering principles. This according to her autobio in one of her sites. She's a literary writer. | Oct 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but... | Oct 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Don't go ad hominem on her | Oct 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | she's pro FOSS | Oct 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | but also pro DRM gasp | Oct 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <cubexyz> HA, dual core 2 gigahertz is old | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | My wife has 1.5 dual | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | both of us have just 2gb of ram | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | and it's mostly enough, although kf5 is choking on it | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | too bloated and buggy, still | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | needs to stablise | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | *stabilise | Oct 12 18:31 |
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| msb_ | To Christine Hall's credit, she not only left my very large comment in, but cited it in the recent comments column. http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671 | Oct 12 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzqlv ] | Oct 12 19:02 | |
| msb_ | Oops, not in the recent column anymore, but still with the article. | Oct 12 19:05 |
| msb_ | This article is truly excellent, and turned me on to her site: http://fossforce.com/2015/09/in-the-seed-of-a-raspberry-is-the-future-of-linux/ | Oct 12 19:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nv5mb ] | Oct 12 19:09 | |
| msb_ | If you see an article on fossforce promoting DRM, add a comment to the article explaining why it's so bad. Include a link to techrights. | Oct 12 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/653650361211817985 | Oct 12 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wendycockcroft: #opensource for the win! https://t.co/JG9bz6tGdM | Oct 12 20:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Italy’s Bari switching to #LibreOffice and ODF https://t.co/CiP4zqHVXe #europe #italy #freesw #odf #standard #bari | Oct 12 20:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/invizbox/status/653655509652930560 | Oct 12 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@invizbox: @schestowitz thanks for the tweet! | Oct 12 20:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653655679270449152 | Oct 12 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: How to be critical of systemd, without devolving into the tired religious wars. Long and technical. @schestowitz http://t.co/Y2Yvg2yDwx | Oct 12 20:39 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653671925403664384 | Oct 12 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz it's a discussion that needs to happen and has been long overdue. It needs to run its course or it'll keep occurring. | Oct 12 21:45 | |
| schestowitz | There are more discussions, mostly technical, worth having. This one has taken up over a week... | Oct 12 21:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653673337562886144 | Oct 12 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz absolutely! But this is still one that needs to happen alongside those. | Oct 12 21:48 | |
| schestowitz | it distracts developers who work on Linux for nearly a week now. They need to get on with work... | Oct 12 21:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653674081540112384 | Oct 12 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz there's nothing stopping them or distracting them. The people who need to focus, will. | Oct 12 21:51 | |
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| schestowitz | hard when a shitstorm on the Internet speaks personally about them | Oct 12 21:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695888 | Oct 12 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 5 Reasons to Still Choose an Android Phone Over an iPhone http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/10/5-reasons-to-choose-an-android-device-over-an-ipho.html | Oct 12 22:03 | |
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| schestowitz | "I’m sure listing “deep integration with Google services” as a benefit will go over really well with the Diaspora community lol." | Oct 12 22:03 |
| schestowitz | "I remember in Cory Doctorow’s For The Win, Coca Cola was the maker of the mmorpg around which the story centers." | Oct 12 22:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695783 | Oct 12 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Leak reveals a brand-new Android phone made by… Pepsi http://bgr.com/2015/10/12/pepsi-android-smartphone-price-leak/ #android #linux #pepsi | Oct 12 22:08 | |
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| schestowitz | I remember playing computer games revolving around food products like 7UP and others... | Oct 12 22:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653676322795814912 | Oct 12 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz and there's a bloody good reason for that happening. | Oct 12 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hydrofal78/status/653678002870616064 | Oct 12 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hydrofal78: @schestowitz @KimDotcom is there a chance we get our documents downloaded?There was no warning email and cannot access the cloud now. | Oct 12 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | FBI et al want all the files wiped. Because they said so. Not even hosted in the US at the time. | Oct 12 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hydrofal78/status/653679534198407168 | Oct 12 22:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hydrofal78: @schestowitz @KimDotcom that's not fair;I've got old work documents kept as an archive;how can we ask for a chance to get them? | Oct 12 22:15 | |
| schestowitz | > x http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-the-linux-company/ | Oct 12 22:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 12 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Microsoft's love affair with Linux deepens | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/nztj1 ] | Oct 12 22:19 | |
| schestowitz | > does he write those titles or do the editors? | Oct 12 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Editors. i challenged him over it... | Oct 12 22:19 |
| schestowitz | "on the same day that the country's President Xi Jinping and a | Oct 12 22:21 |
| schestowitz | delegation visited its campus at Redmond" | Oct 12 22:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2985902/microsoft-cuts-deals-in-china-with-government-organizations-and-companies.html | Oct 12 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Microsoft tailors Windows 10 for China, cutting deals with Baidu and others | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/nztkv ] | Oct 12 22:21 | |
| schestowitz | == | Oct 12 22:21 |
| schestowitz | https://consent.google.com/ui/ | Oct 12 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://consent.google.com/ui/ ) | Oct 12 22:21 | |
| schestowitz | > https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/Platforms/ | Oct 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | > ? | Oct 12 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ec.europa.eu | EUSurvey - Survey [ http://ur1.ca/nztm0 ] | Oct 12 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | Need JS to use... | Oct 12 22:24 |
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| msb_ | XRevan86: cubexyz: MinceR: Have any of you read this entire article? http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ | Oct 12 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ] | Oct 12 23:14 | |
| MinceR | i'm reading it | Oct 12 23:14 |
| MinceR | i'm at 53% | Oct 12 23:14 |
| msb_ | systemd is an enormous godawful mess. No wonder it has 36MB of source code. | Oct 12 23:15 |
| cubexyz | motherboard BIOS is getting very big also | Oct 12 23:15 |
| cubexyz | Cedar Trail on it's own is 87 megs of files | Oct 12 23:16 |
| cubexyz | not the sort of thing your going to be able to study easily | Oct 12 23:16 |
| cubexyz | s/your/you're/ | Oct 12 23:16 |
| cubexyz | my advice remains the same: | Oct 12 23:17 |
| cubexyz | keep one older computer with non-systemd and simpler BIOS (with source code if at all possible) | Oct 12 23:17 |
| msb_ | I once programmed for a company that made implantable defibrillators. They had a test setup consisting of six PCs running some kind of object-oriented system to test the defibrillators (which were 6502 based). | Oct 12 23:17 |
| cubexyz | did you know that some of the PDP-11 folks consider PCs to be broken? | Oct 12 23:19 |
| msb_ | None of them could figure out what the object-oriented realtime system was actually doing. I wrote a simple program to analyze the defibrillator output, which revealed that it was emitting spurious pulses that could cause fibrillation and kill the patient. The company was not going to fix the defib, as they had already written up some 600 pages of test data for the FDA. So they fired me the next week. | Oct 12 23:20 |
| cubexyz | as in the design itself is bad | Oct 12 23:20 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: "bad" how? With a good OS, PCs work fine. | Oct 12 23:22 |
| cubexyz | except they mess up all the time | Oct 12 23:23 |
| msb_ | What are you talking about? Mine runs for months with no problems until there's a power failure. | Oct 12 23:24 |
| msb_ | You have a dozen of them. Are they messing up all the time? | Oct 12 23:24 |
| cubexyz | at the application level? definitely | Oct 12 23:25 |
| cubexyz | at the X11 level? surely | Oct 12 23:25 |
| cubexyz | does the text console fail? it does | Oct 12 23:25 |
| msb_ | Not that I see such problems, but how do you figure that the fundamental structure of the computer is at fault> | Oct 12 23:26 |
| msb_ | ? | Oct 12 23:26 |
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| msb_ | Anyhow, you changed the subject to BIOS, which is mostly doing one thing at a time if it's doing anything (in Linux). | Oct 12 23:28 |
| cubexyz | What I'm saying is that the complexitiy of the PC is such that one person can't understand it | Oct 12 23:28 |
| cubexyz | I'm not saying the architecture is broken, this PDP-11 guy is saying that | Oct 12 23:29 |
| MinceR | i think there are too many dirty little secrets in all modern computers | Oct 12 23:29 |
| MinceR | secret hardware designs, secret microcode, secret firmware, etc. | Oct 12 23:30 |
| cubexyz | if you aren't switching from text console to X11 mode a lot you might not see some of the problems I'm seeing | Oct 12 23:30 |
| msb_ | What I'm talking about is this article: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ which reveals systemd to be a super-complex object-oriented real-time abortion enormously bigger than the one I encountered at the defibrillator company, which hid the fact that their product was going to stop people's hearts and kill them. | Oct 12 23:31 |
| cubexyz | if I ran a system with no sound card, and no X11 at all then it would be extremely stable | Oct 12 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ] | Oct 12 23:31 | |
| MinceR | it's worse than that | Oct 12 23:31 |
| cubexyz | even so I've run X11 for over a year, so it's not bad | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | it reveals the service manager aspect of systemd to be that | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | and on top of that, there's a mandatory broken syslogd replacement | Oct 12 23:32 |
| cubexyz | it's just that it fails under certain conditions | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | and a dozen other things | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | or more | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | plus there's the toxic attitude of its backers | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | and the atrocious code quality | Oct 12 23:32 |
| cubexyz | systemd isn't Unix philosophy | Oct 12 23:33 |
| cubexyz | so I don't use it | Oct 12 23:33 |
| cubexyz | PDP11 guy says: | Oct 12 23:33 |
| cubexyz | Anyone still recall how the memory layout actually looks like on a PC? Or the ugly architecture that x86 is? Or the strange and silly IRQ and DMA setups you needed to do on cards on the ISA bus, or the dependecies on the BIOS, which in the old days had the geometry of every kind of disk in tables in the BIOS, fixed even... Or the various video cards with incompatible interfaces and peculiarities.. | Oct 12 23:33 |
| msb_ | To make systemd into something that could brick Linux computers at government command, probably no code changes would even be needed, just some parameter changes. | Oct 12 23:34 |
| cubexyz | you can brick the BIOS for that matter | Oct 12 23:34 |
| cubexyz | no systemd needed :) | Oct 12 23:34 |
| msb_ | Not remotely, unless via DASH. | Oct 12 23:35 |
| cubexyz | there's lots of other problems too, but in the hardware | Oct 12 23:35 |
| cubexyz | sure, you can brick the BIOS with DASH | Oct 12 23:35 |
| cubexyz | just overwrite it with malicious code | Oct 12 23:36 |
| cubexyz | uh, without DASH I mean | Oct 12 23:36 |
| cubexyz | it's not likely though | Oct 12 23:36 |
| MinceR | CIH bricked the BIOS without DASH :> | Oct 12 23:36 |
| cubexyz | right | Oct 12 23:36 |
| cubexyz | that's kind of why we have all this secure boot stuff now | Oct 12 23:37 |
| cubexyz | it's good and bad at the same time | Oct 12 23:37 |
| cubexyz | DASH is good and bad as well | Oct 12 23:38 |
| cubexyz | with DASH you could remotely fix problems | Oct 12 23:38 |
| cubexyz | and cause them in the first place | Oct 12 23:38 |
| cubexyz | if your BIOS has unused space, the bad code can hide in it | Oct 12 23:39 |
| cubexyz | I've already mentioned the BMP vulerability | Oct 12 23:40 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: PCs evolved with innovation on top of innovation. That's why the architecture is so "ugly" now. But it works great! And what happened to DEC, with its beautifully designed PDP-11 series? They were too expensive, and DEC was sold off to Compaq, HP and Intel. | Oct 12 23:40 |
| cubexyz | msb_, right, DEC messed up big time | Oct 12 23:41 |
| msb_ | CIH is a windows virus, right? Windows systems are hopelessly insecure. | Oct 12 23:43 |
| cubexyz | CIH could KO the BIOS itself, not sure if that could happen with Linux | Oct 12 23:44 |
| cubexyz | if the BIOS gets overwritten, all bets are off | Oct 12 23:44 |
| cubexyz | personally I can't think of PCs as 'great' | Oct 12 23:46 |
| cubexyz | if you repair laptops often enough... you'll see what I mean | Oct 12 23:47 |
| cubexyz | damaged GDUs, and other kinds of heat damage | Oct 12 23:47 |
| cubexyz | GPU? GPU | Oct 12 23:47 |
| MinceR | there are no PDP-11 laptops though, afaik | Oct 12 23:48 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: PCs are what we've got. Staying with AMD for the moment, the FX-8350 is an excellent CPU and the ASUS 990FX is an excellent mobo in which secure-boot can easily be turned off. So if the DASH vulnerability can be fixed, or doesn't even exist with the 8350, that combination provides a superb high-speed computer suitable for everyone. | Oct 12 23:48 |
| msb_ | High-speed _and_ secure. | Oct 12 23:49 |
| cubexyz | no, no PDP-11 laptops, microPDP in a small case is the best you can do | Oct 12 23:49 |
| cubexyz | except you have tons of binary blobs, and no clue what they do | Oct 12 23:49 |
| cubexyz | that's the problem with modern PCs | Oct 12 23:50 |
| msb_ | Well, we now have the C and assembly source code to modern AMI BIOS, so you can see what the blobs made from that will do. I predict it's nothing malicious. | Oct 12 23:52 |
| cubexyz | from 2011, nothing from 2015 | Oct 12 23:52 |
| cubexyz | that doesn't include other types of firmware either | Oct 12 23:53 |
| cubexyz | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ | Oct 12 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Meet “badBIOS,” the mysterious Mac and PC malware that jumps airgaps | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fys2h ] | Oct 12 23:54 | |
| msb_ | The Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge code in the torrent are from 2012. | Oct 12 23:55 |
| cubexyz | I just grepped the whole thing for 2012 and zero matches | Oct 12 23:56 |
| cubexyz | well hold on, I don't think I've looked at Sandy Bridge yet | Oct 12 23:57 |
| cubexyz | no matches in Cedar Trail I should say | Oct 12 23:57 |
| cubexyz | it's huge | Oct 12 23:58 |
| cubexyz | no matches in Sandy Bridge either | Oct 12 23:59 |
| cubexyz | ok, Ivy Bridge does have files with 2012 in them | Oct 13 00:01 |
| cubexyz | I think the leak was announced in 2013 | Oct 13 00:01 |
| cubexyz | lots of good info though, it will be years before one can digest all this | Oct 13 00:09 |
| cubexyz | you can see in Luna Pier's History.txt that testing was done on Windows XP | Oct 13 00:10 |
| cubexyz | one can see my point AMI tests mainly for Windows | Oct 13 00:12 |
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| cubexyz | the proof is voluminous | Oct 13 00:13 |
| cubexyz | and we say that win95 is bad but... | Oct 13 00:14 |
| cubexyz | and it was terrible... | Oct 13 00:14 |
| cubexyz | but to suggest that windows 10 is fine and everything's A-OK would be crazy | Oct 13 00:15 |
| cubexyz | to me, this code just reaffirms that Microsoft has their hooks into everything | Oct 13 00:17 |
| cubexyz | I predicted the Microsoft only computer would happen | Oct 13 00:17 |
| cubexyz | computers will become balkanized | Oct 13 00:18 |
| cubexyz | Google computer, Apple computer, Microsoft computer | Oct 13 00:18 |
| cubexyz | on the fringe we'll have Amiga, Vax, PDP-11, etc | Oct 13 00:19 |
| cubexyz | read that Arstechnica article... | Oct 13 00:21 |
| msb_ | Yeah, and Putin is going to blow the tits off the Earth. | Oct 13 00:21 |
| msb_ | The Ars article reminds me of this deliciously scary movie about an alien lifeform that comes to Earth via a radio signal: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138304/combined | Oct 13 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Astronaut's Wife (1999) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvc8 ] | Oct 13 00:22 | |
| cubexyz | Ruiu did sound a bit paranoid | Oct 13 00:23 |
| cubexyz | but he had a major problem, no doubt about that | Oct 13 00:23 |
| msb_ | Do Windows machines instantly execute any program they find on a USB stick? Do Linux machines? | Oct 13 00:24 |
| cubexyz | ha | Oct 13 00:24 |
| cubexyz | good question | Oct 13 00:24 |
| cubexyz | pretty sure Linux doesn't | Oct 13 00:24 |
| cubexyz | but remember CDs with autostart? | Oct 13 00:25 |
| msb_ | Windows certainly used to execute any exe file it got in an e-mail. Fun and games there! | Oct 13 00:25 |
| cubexyz | windows had autorun on CDs for sure | Oct 13 00:25 |
| msb_ | Even the most devilish virus is harmless as long as it remains just data and doesn't get executed. | Oct 13 00:26 |
| cubexyz | I had a customer ask me for a computer without USB | Oct 13 00:27 |
| cubexyz | you can disconnect the ribbon cable :) | Oct 13 00:28 |
| cubexyz | one scenario... hacker leaves a usb stick by your computer | Oct 13 00:29 |
| cubexyz | curious user plugs it in to see what's on it | Oct 13 00:29 |
| msb_ | There's another great movie, "Virus", with Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Sutherland: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120458/combined | Oct 13 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Virus (1999) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvfo ] | Oct 13 00:30 | |
| msb_ | A virus comes to earth and begins building robot bodies for itself, some incorporating human parts! | Oct 13 00:31 |
| cubexyz | 1999 was a rather pessimistic year it seems | Oct 13 00:31 |
| cubexyz | Y2K! Grocery stores will be empty! Planes will fall out of the sky! | Oct 13 00:31 |
| msb_ | Then there was this one, about an electrical virus traveling through the power lines: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095924/combined | Oct 13 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pulse (1988) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvh9 ] | Oct 13 00:33 | |
| msb_ | So good! | Oct 13 00:33 |
| msb_ | "Paranoia is just another word for heightened awareness." | Oct 13 00:35 |
| cubexyz | high frequency transmissions passed between computer speakers and microphones? | Oct 13 00:36 |
| cubexyz | that's movie material right there :) | Oct 13 00:37 |
| msb_ | "It don't just crawl in on your wires. It ain't a *thing*. It's a *signal*. A *pulse*. Kinda like a *voice*. So what you've got to do is to get rid of anything in your house that might have ears to hear it. " | Oct 13 00:37 |
| MinceR | 012116 < msb_> Yeah, and Putin is going to blow the tits off the Earth. | Oct 13 00:41 |
| MinceR | and unless the usian missile defense works out, he'll nuke you too | Oct 13 00:41 |
| msb_ | Oops, I triggered PARRY. | Oct 13 00:44 |
| MinceR | oops, i triggered the kremlin's troll army | Oct 13 00:44 |
| msb_ | Too bad for you that Putin is doing such a great job saving Syria from ISIL and Al-Nusrah. The syrians are very grateful. | Oct 13 00:46 |
| msb_ | ISIL and Al-Nusrah (Al-Qaeda) are armed by the US, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. | Oct 13 00:49 |
| msb_ | Head choppers and clit cutters. | Oct 13 00:49 |
| MinceR | i'm sure it will ease your pains when dying of radiation sickness and/or starving to death in nuclear winter triggered by putin | Oct 13 00:49 |
| msb_ | All so that Israel can dominate the Middle East. | Oct 13 00:49 |
| MinceR | putin is a religious fundamentalist all the same | Oct 13 00:49 |
| cubexyz | it's unlikely anyone will get nuked | Oct 13 01:07 |
| cubexyz | MAD still holds, and people aren't that crazy | Oct 13 01:07 |
| cubexyz | The US could have used nukes in Vietnam for example | Oct 13 01:10 |
| cubexyz | China has a NFU (No first Use) policy | Oct 13 01:12 |
| cubexyz | Russia's policy is it reserves the right to use nuclear weapons "in response to a large-scale conventional agression" | Oct 13 01:14 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use | Oct 13 01:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | No first use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzvwz ] | Oct 13 01:14 | |
| MinceR | MAD won't deter people who believe only the afterlife matters, or people as desperate as putin | Oct 13 01:15 |
| MinceR | see, even that policy is more trigger-happy than the policies of other countries | Oct 13 01:17 |
| MinceR | or the policies of the first cold war | Oct 13 01:17 |
| msb_ | MinceR is a depressed paranoid schizophrenic who refuses to get any help. | Oct 13 01:18 |
| MinceR | msb_ is a fascist who refuses to stop pushing putin's propaganda. | Oct 13 01:19 |
| msb_ | MinceR says that almost all people are worthless, and want to be enslaved and killed. | Oct 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | msb_ wants us all to be enslaved and/or killed by putin | Oct 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | msb_ supports the destruction of human rights and freedoms while claiming he doesn't support that. | Oct 13 01:21 |
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| msb_ | MinceR is unable to provide quotes from me supporting _any_ of the lies he tells about me. He comes up with lame excuses for not posting such quotes. | Oct 13 01:23 |
| cubexyz | Ruiu is saying that once he removed the internal speaker and microphone that the bad packets stopped transmitting, curious stuff | Oct 13 01:23 |
| MinceR | msb_ likes to pretend that evidence that was presented (often more than once) doesn't exist | Oct 13 01:24 |
| msb_ | But that was after the machines had been infected from USB sticks. | Oct 13 01:24 |
| MinceR | msb_ also can't tell the difference between data and noise | Oct 13 01:24 |
| cubexyz | he's saying infected machines are talking to each other via ultrasound | Oct 13 01:26 |
| cubexyz | and he's saying it infected his BSD machine, not just his windows boxes | Oct 13 01:28 |
| msb_ | But only to repair changes he made to the viral code. | Oct 13 01:29 |
| cubexyz | https://www.facebook.com/dragosr/posts/10151655183445588 | Oct 13 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.facebook.com | Dragos Ruiu - More on my ongoing chase of #badBIOS... | Facebook [ http://ur1.ca/nzw51 ] | Oct 13 01:30 | |
| msb_ | Any OS that launches an executable it finds on a usb stick would be vulnerable. | Oct 13 01:30 |
| cubexyz | yeah if it's DASH related... then no knows | Oct 13 01:30 |
| cubexyz | but he says the machine was air gapped, so it's very odd | Oct 13 01:31 |
| msb_ | It infected Macs -- no DASH. | Oct 13 01:31 |
| cubexyz | you're certain Macs don't have DASH? | Oct 13 01:31 |
| cubexyz | these problems seem very modern to me | Oct 13 01:33 |
| cubexyz | mystery fonts on windows 8, well if he keeps using windows 8 then no wonder | Oct 13 01:34 |
| msb_ | windows anything. ttf fonts are executable!!! | Oct 13 01:35 |
| cubexyz | ttf files get previewed by windows, yes :) | Oct 13 01:35 |
| cubexyz | Dragos should have one or two older computers | Oct 13 01:36 |
| cubexyz | and yes, stop using windows | Oct 13 01:36 |
| MinceR | winblows puts executable stubs with PE headers on everything | Oct 13 01:37 |
| MinceR | it's like they _want_ everything to be able to carry malware | Oct 13 01:37 |
| cubexyz | but if someone is reprogramming the USB controller, you are screwed right there | Oct 13 01:37 |
| msb_ | I thought DASH was only in AMD CPUs, but it's part of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Management_Task_Force | Oct 13 01:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Distributed Management Task Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzw8l ] | Oct 13 01:38 | |
| cubexyz | no, Intel Vpro has a subset of DASH | Oct 13 01:38 |
| MinceR | i think that's vPro :> | Oct 13 01:38 |
| cubexyz | think about that for a second... reprogramming the USB Controller | Oct 13 01:39 |
| cubexyz | USB keyboard? keyloggers? | Oct 13 01:39 |
| cubexyz | Intel vPro, right | Oct 13 01:40 |
| cubexyz | I know I don't want it | Oct 13 01:40 |
| msb_ | I guess badbios wasn't designed to spread via the Net or it would be everywhere. | Oct 13 01:41 |
| cubexyz | how did he get it in the first place? | Oct 13 01:44 |
| cubexyz | unless it's all a hoax | Oct 13 01:44 |
| cubexyz | "ascousitc mesm networking at 20 bits per second" | Oct 13 01:45 |
| cubexyz | acoustic | Oct 13 01:45 |
| cubexyz | acoustic mesh networking | Oct 13 01:46 |
| msb_ | usb stick or cd-rom | Oct 13 01:46 |
| msb_ | maybe somebody dropped a usb stick in his bag at a security convention | Oct 13 01:48 |
| cubexyz | possible | Oct 13 01:48 |
| cubexyz | I learned today that ARP tries to talk to 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.254 | Oct 13 01:51 |
| cubexyz | I just started watching the ARP stuff yesterday | Oct 13 01:51 |
| msb_ | That's your cable or dsl node identifying all the leaf nodes, including yours. | Oct 13 01:54 |
| msb_ | My router filters that out. It was annoying. | Oct 13 01:55 |
| msb_ | ARP means Alien Repersonalization Pulse. MinceR was hit by one, and look at him now. | Oct 13 02:05 |
| MinceR | no, i'm being hit by personal attacks | Oct 13 02:06 |
| MinceR | something msb_ used to complain about | Oct 13 02:06 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: I think when your system sees an ARP packet with its ip-address, it responds with a packet containing its MAC address. So the upstream node knows which customer is on which ip-address. | Oct 13 02:08 |
| msb_ | But that's just from memory. | Oct 13 02:08 |
| cubexyz | msb_, how do you know the ARP requests are coming from the ISP and not the router? | Oct 13 02:15 |
| msb_ | Interesting stuff here: https://www.reddit.com/r/badBIOS/ | Oct 13 02:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BadBIOS, firmware rootkits, side channel attacks, power line hacking | Oct 13 02:17 | |
| cubexyz | "libreboot project recommends avoiding all modern Intel hardware" | Oct 13 02:18 |
| msb_ | I was seeing the ARP packets on my computer with xnetload and ethereal _before_ I installed the router. | Oct 13 02:18 |
| msb_ | Suits me! | Oct 13 02:19 |
| msb_ | The router blocked them. | Oct 13 02:19 |
| msb_ | Now I see only incoming and outgoing packets from my software on my graphic net indicators. | Oct 13 02:20 |
| msb_ | Before it was full of ARP hair that obscured them. | Oct 13 02:21 |
| cubexyz | your router has an option to block ARP messages? | Oct 13 02:29 |
| cubexyz | I don't think my router can do that | Oct 13 02:29 |
| cubexyz | wow, the Reddit folks are saying there's a hidden gizmo in the cmos battery | Oct 13 02:34 |
| cubexyz | these guys are even more paranoid that us | Oct 13 02:34 |
| cubexyz | s/that/than/ | Oct 13 02:34 |
| cubexyz | some of the things they are talking about I don't understand | Oct 13 02:37 |
| cubexyz | I don't remember any microphone on 1997 motherboards (or newer) | Oct 13 02:38 |
| cubexyz | "all laptops are sold with webcams and microphones" | Oct 13 02:40 |
| msb_ | Look thru the advanced settings in your router menu. | Oct 13 02:59 |
| cubexyz | there's nothing about ARP | Oct 13 03:02 |
| msb_ | I wish I could block AARP from my snail-mail! | Oct 13 03:04 |
| msb_ | I'll look in my router. | Oct 13 03:04 |
| cubexyz | I'm not that worried about my ISP | Oct 13 03:06 |
| cubexyz | it's community based | Oct 13 03:06 |
| cubexyz | an ARP attack would be different | Oct 13 03:06 |
| cubexyz | guess my router is too old | Oct 13 03:07 |
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| msb_ | I can | Oct 13 04:07 |
| msb_ | I can't find the setting in my router or firewall to block ARP. Maybe it does it automatically. | Oct 13 04:07 |
| msb_ | I set this system up years ago -- don't remember. | Oct 13 04:08 |
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| cubexyz | more freaky stuff: | Oct 13 04:32 |
| cubexyz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/05/airgap_chatting_malware/ | Oct 13 04:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Hear that? It's the sound of BadBIOS wannabe chatting over air gaps • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nzyfl ] | Oct 13 04:32 | |
| cubexyz | looks like the mothership has phone ARP 3 times so far | Oct 13 04:41 |
| cubexyz | s/phone/phoned/ | Oct 13 04:41 |
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| cubexyz | umm, techrights seems unacessible atm | Oct 13 05:19 |
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| cubexyz | check it out.. I can run bios images in dosbox using biosview.exe | Oct 13 06:23 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/biosview-dosbox.png | Oct 13 06:23 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/653830217761427456 | Oct 13 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: long overdue #opensource https://t.co/UDCh8mI9SZ | Oct 13 10:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Taunton and Somerset trust explores wider open source adoption http://t.co/3wWKe7rYDG #NHS #freesw #uk @glynmoody | Oct 13 10:50 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653864899362353152 | Oct 13 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @glynmoody It would be great if you could write about EPO issues, especially pro-large-corp bias, in some high-profile media. @schestowitz | Oct 13 10:56 | |
| schestowitz | I agree and I told him that earlier this year. German and Dutch media not accessible to English-speaking crowds. | Oct 13 10:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/653865114655961088 | Oct 13 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz funny you should mention that...on it | Oct 13 10:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653865338287882240 | Oct 13 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @glynmoody @schestowitz That's great news! BTW, I just did a post linking to Roy's post on major applicants and published a new legal letter | Oct 13 10:57 | |
| schestowitz | More on the way... | Oct 13 10:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bosson/status/653871390060363776 | Oct 13 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bosson: @schestowitz How much of this corruption will bleed into the Unified Patent Court once UPC-epo patents are legal w.o. national checks. | Oct 13 10:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/653868845057331200 | Oct 13 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz thanks, I'll take a look... | Oct 13 11:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653863273591361536 | Oct 13 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: European Patent Office intentionally treats patent applicants and staff unfairly: leaked documents http://t.co/LPus50A0Mr #epo @schestowitz | Oct 13 11:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: European Patent Office intentionally treats patent applicants and staff unfairly: leaked documents | Oct 13 11:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/653876445060722688 https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/653876752234774528 | Oct 13 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yeah, that's why no one now in South America is an "indigenist", as opposed to native-ruled USA. Oh wait... | Oct 13 11:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Tell me a single US president with a drop of Native blood. I can tell you several Mexican ones 100% Zapoteca or Mayo. | Oct 13 11:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/653884191424311298 | Oct 13 12:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Reminds me so much of Thatcher... | Oct 13 12:11 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686760 | Oct 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | "Cisco is mostly good at backdoors." | Oct 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | And intercepts | Oct 13 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linksys WRT router gains faster SoC, more RAM, OpenWrt http://linuxgizmos.com/linksys-wrt-gains-faster-soc-more-ram-and-openwrt/ "open source OpenWrt support out of the box." #linux | Oct 13 12:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxgizmos.com | Linksys WRT router gains faster SoC, more RAM, OpenWrt · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/o030t ] | Oct 13 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686759 | Oct 13 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Lastpass sold to LogMeIn -- should Linux users panic? http://betanews.com/2015/10/09/lastpass-sold-to-logmein-should-linux-users-panic/ No. EVERYONE should panic and quit #lastpass | Oct 13 12:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betanews.com | Lastpass sold to LogMeIn -- should Linux users panic? [ http://ur1.ca/o030x ] | Oct 13 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | "I’m using KDE Wallet and letting Iceweasel remember. I’ve done this with Chromium Browser too. KDE is the only one I really trust and it makes it easy to search and see the information so you can use it in other places." | Oct 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Kwallet in KF5 still too messy for me :/ waiting for bugfixes... | Oct 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697197 | Oct 13 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #KWrite on a platform where people hardly care about #freesw and probably will use whatever necro-Jobs gives them http://kate-editor.org/2015/10/12/kwrite-on-mac/ | Oct 13 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | "I’m sure it’s relatively easy to get KDE working on Mac, as it is a *nix." | Oct 13 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> kate-editor.org | KWrite on Mac | Kate | Get an Edge in Editing [ http://ur1.ca/o031q ] | Oct 13 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | There was work on it back in the days (almost a decade ago), but haven't heard of it for years (same for KDE on Windows), hence I imagine for KDE on a "Mac" you need to dual boot or wipe OSuX | Oct 13 12:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6680937 | Oct 13 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NASA Gives Back What It Took Away in the Form of Patent Monopolies for Private Gain http://techrights.org/2015/10/08/nasa-publicity-stunt/ #nasa #patents | Oct 13 12:26 | |
| schestowitz | "The model was government owned, contractor run. I think NASA’s budget went to zero, so what’s left is all private owned. I’m not close enough to know if there’s been a great theft of NASA public facilities, but it did happen to software and seems to be a general, Republican theme to “privatize” everything." | Oct 13 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | NASA Gives Back What It Took Away in the Form of Patent Monopolies for Private Gain | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nzb2q ] | Oct 13 12:27 | |
| schestowitz | Not only GOP privatise things. Sadly, on corporatism, there is a difference between radical 'free' market (GOP) and less radical 'free' market (D) | Oct 13 12:27 |
| schestowitz | "Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) what is your opinion of Sarah Sharp quitting as Linux Kernel development due to the hostile environment of the top-level Kernel Maintainers?" | Oct 13 12:34 |
| schestowitz | I wrote two responses to it http://techrights.org/2015/10/11/microsoft-sexism-lawsuits/ http://techrights.org/2015/10/07/forking-with-hypocrisy/ | Oct 13 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Don’t Look at Linux For Sexism, Look at Microsoft (Although Microsoft Hides the Newest Lawsuits) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o0355 ] | Oct 13 12:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o035a ] | Oct 13 12:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686740 | Oct 13 12:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FSF: The party is over... but the fight for freedom is ready for another thirty years http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/the-party-is-over-but-the-fight-for-freedom-is-ready-for-another-thirty-years #fsf | Oct 13 12:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org | The party is over... but the fight for freedom is ready for another thirty years — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/nyya8 ] | Oct 13 12:37 | |
| schestowitz | "Hmm, I thought the FSF announced it and I shared some of that." | Oct 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Hardly noticed in blogs, let alone in the media... | Oct 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697076 | Oct 13 12:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #france doesn't like #freespeech (forget #paris charade). France one of the worst in Europe. Blocks even sites about eating disorders. | Oct 13 12:43 | |
| schestowitz | "Unfortunatelly … I’m in shame for my country." | Oct 13 12:44 |
| schestowitz | "Sadly…" | Oct 13 12:44 |
| schestowitz | UK also pretty bad... filtered one of my sites... about FOSS! | Oct 13 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/653980142369402880 | Oct 13 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Et les français? @axellelemaire | Oct 13 18:09 | |
| schestowitz | [05:19] <cubexyz> umm, techrights seems unacessible atm | Oct 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | too much traffic today, due to epo articles | Oct 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | cited in the media | Oct 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/653980988079501313 | Oct 13 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Unfortunate that @johnalty1 will not be meeting staff. | Oct 13 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | just needs to know what's going on at #epo http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Oct 13 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Oct 13 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | [01:18] <msb_> MinceR is a depressed paranoid schizophrenic who refuses to get any help. | Oct 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | No personal insults here | Oct 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | It's counterproductive to the goals | Oct 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | none at all, no sir! | Oct 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | and petty | Oct 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | [01:14] <cubexyz> Russia's policy is it reserves the right to use nuclear weapons "in response to a large-scale conventional agression" | Oct 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | [01:14] <cubexyz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use | Oct 13 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | No first use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzvwz ] | Oct 13 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | That's what the US did in Japan | Oct 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Even though it was already winning the war | Oct 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | [19:13] <msb_> If you see an article on fossforce promoting DRM, add a comment to the article explaining why it's so bad. Include a link to techrights. | Oct 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | People did this already | Oct 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | (at the time) | Oct 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they even had her change her mind, who knows....? | Oct 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Oct 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I need to catch up with linux news pretty badly... | Oct 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | spent all day on patent articles.. | Oct 13 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/653982648449167360 | Oct 13 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: A quick line ABOUT that, please ! https://t.co/GRjF0OfoXQ | Oct 13 18:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Before #uefi attacks on computing freedom http://t.co/dHnIe9xtxm http://t.co/qBkwRQKxS3 #intel #backdoor | Oct 13 18:21 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Perhaps you could tell MinceR to avoid personal insults like these three: "<MinceR> msb_ is a fascist who refuses to stop pushing putin's propaganda." "<MinceR> msb_ wants us all to be enslaved and/or killed by putin" " <MinceR> msb_ supports the destruction of human rights and freedoms while claiming he doesn't support that." | Oct 13 18:27 |
| MinceR | i wonder which of those lines came first | Oct 13 18:27 |
| MinceR | again, msb_ doesn't let the facts stand in the way of his argumentation | Oct 13 18:27 |
| MinceR | (wouldn't call it reasoning, as there's no reason involved) | Oct 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | msb_: you both agree on systemd | Oct 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | and I do too | Oct 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | so let's try to stay focused on tech | Oct 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | for other topic -- other IRC channels | Oct 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | it's tech-rights | Oct 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | not russia-rights | Oct 13 18:38 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Is that directed to MinceR as well as to me, or only to me? | Oct 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | he's not the one bringing it up | Oct 13 18:40 |
| schestowitz | it's you | Oct 13 18:40 |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: MinceR introduced Putin into a brief discussion about religion: "[10/11/15 14:19] <MinceR> yes, let's confuse agriculture with religion" "<MinceR> confusion works in putin's favor, after all" | Oct 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | religion is also not relevant to technology | Oct 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | and neither is agriculture | Oct 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | you brought both of them up | Oct 13 18:46 |
| msb_ | I brought them up after mention of the TPP, in a far-reaching statement about the control of humanity by psychopaths. | Oct 13 18:48 |
| MinceR | and yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness | Oct 13 18:50 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You have spewed out yet another lying personal attack. "<MinceR> and yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness" Please quote a statement from me to justify your lie. | Oct 13 18:53 |
| MinceR | 164837 < msb_> The men say that freedom of speech entitles game creators to make games that victimize women, and entitles game players to play and enjoy them. | Oct 13 18:54 |
| MinceR | 165029 < msb_> The problem is, that humans are programmable by speech and video, and they can be programmed into psychopath behaviors like rape, torture, and murder. | Oct 13 18:54 |
| MinceR | Some speech has consequences -- yelling "fire" in a crowded theater -- so freedom of speech requires some limitations. | Oct 13 18:54 |
| MinceR | i know you will ignore this, and i will not quote it again. | Oct 13 18:54 |
| msb_ | I went on to say that game creators and game reviewers should self-limit their creation and approval of games that victimize women. I did not in any way "come out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness", as you lied that I did. | Oct 13 18:57 |
| MinceR | the context was the UN plotting global censorship on behalf of the SJWs | Oct 13 18:58 |
| msb_ | Which is totally different from people _self-limiting speech_ that encourages attacks on women. | Oct 13 18:59 |
| MinceR | right, chilling effects, self-censorship and "socially acceptable" bullying are A-OK | Oct 13 19:01 |
| msb_ | There is also the principle that the remedy for evil speech is more speech condemning it. In this case, feminists should publicly shame those who create and approve of games that encourage the victimization of women. | Oct 13 19:02 |
| MinceR | that's better, yes | Oct 13 19:02 |
| MinceR | but that's not where the UN and the SJWs are going | Oct 13 19:02 |
| msb_ | Only governments can create "chilling effects". And public disaproval and shaming of those who encourage rape, torture and murder of women is _not_ "bullying". | Oct 13 19:03 |
| msb_ | While encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women _is_ bullying. | Oct 13 19:04 |
| MinceR | public disapproval and shaming of those who use neutral words you think are evil is bullying | Oct 13 19:05 |
| MinceR | for example: http://www.ghacks.net/2015/10/11/bro-file-extension-offensive-changed-to-br-instead/ | Oct 13 19:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Bro file extension offensive, changed to Br instead - gHacks Tech News [ http://ur1.ca/o07j6 ] | Oct 13 19:05 | |
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| MinceR | seeing encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women into everything also makes a fine starting point for bullying | Oct 13 19:06 |
| MinceR | bullying those who play video games because they play video games is also not acceptable | Oct 13 19:06 |
| MinceR | SJWs do the exact things they're allegedly against | Oct 13 19:06 |
| MinceR | oh, and campaigning to place women into a superior social position to men is not feminism, it's chauvinism | Oct 13 19:07 |
| MinceR | and it's no better than when it's done the other way around | Oct 13 19:07 |
| MinceR | and now, msb_ rages... | Oct 13 19:07 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Let's see how many lies you've just told: 1. "public disapproval and shaming of those who use neutral words you think are evil is bullying" The words I used were "rape, torture, and murder of women". MinceR: Do you think of these as "neutral words"? | Oct 13 19:09 |
| MinceR | how do you survive in the usa without speaking the language? | Oct 13 19:09 |
| msb_ | Lie #2: "seeing encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women into everything also makes a fine starting point for bullying". Neither I nor SJWs do this. | Oct 13 19:10 |
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| msb_ | Lie #3: "bullying those who play video games because they play video games is also not acceptable" Nobody does this. Many disapprove of playing video games that encourage the rape, torture, and murder of women. That is a _subset_ of video games, not all of them. | Oct 13 19:12 |
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| MinceR | ah, so we should ask msb_ which video games we're allowed to play | Oct 13 19:13 |
| msb_ | Lie #4: "campaigning to place women into a superior social position to men" Nobody does that. Feminists/SJW say that men should not attack women. | Oct 13 19:13 |
| MinceR | that's totally not fascist | Oct 13 19:13 |
| MinceR | apparently they also say that women should attack men | Oct 13 19:14 |
| msb_ | Lie #5 "ah, so we should ask msb_ which video games we're allowed to play" I never said that people should not be allowed to play video games that victimize women. I said they should be criticized and shamed if they do. | Oct 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | they should be bullied, fired from their jobs and jailed, but not disallowed. got it. | Oct 13 19:16 |
| msb_ | Lie #6 "they should be bullied, fired from their jobs and jailed, but not disallowed. got it." If a person tells others that he enjoys simulated rape, torture and murder of women, then people should try to discourage him (non-violently), as that may save women's lives. If an employee publicly admits such enjoyment, his employer may reasonably fire him to protect the women in the workplace. Only government can jail people. | Oct 13 19:25 |
| msb_ | Discouragement and firing are not "disallowing" the sadist from playing the games, but are making him face the reasonable consequences of publicly advocating rape, torture and murder. | Oct 13 19:25 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I have just publicly exposed and shamed you for telling six lies. Why don't you stop attacking me? | Oct 13 19:28 |
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| MinceR | you have just told a series of lies and misconceptions based on your lack of understanding of the language and the brainwashing you've received | Oct 13 19:30 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you stop crapflooding this channel? | Oct 13 19:30 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you stop diverting this channel off topic? | Oct 13 19:30 |
| MinceR | i know Roy wants to keep you around, i just can't find out why | Oct 13 19:30 |
| msb_ | MinceR: It was _you_ who crapflooded and diverted this channel with this statement out of the blue: "10:51] <MinceR> and yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness". | Oct 13 19:32 |
| msb_ | When I refuted that lie, you spewed out more lies. | Oct 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | apparently msb_ doesn't know what "flood" means either | Oct 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | you did not refute any lies | Oct 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | you spewed all the lies | Oct 13 19:35 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Why don't you restrict your attacks on me to a personal message channel? I will ignore them, and no one else will have to see them. | Oct 13 19:38 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you? | Oct 13 19:39 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you take your putinist madness to another channel? | Oct 13 19:40 |
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| msb_ | MinceR: Do you consider opposition to violence against women to be "putinist madness" ? | Oct 13 19:43 |
| MinceR | no | Oct 13 19:44 |
| MinceR | but putinist madness was the main theme of your crapflooding this channel until the UN plot for global censorship was mentioned | Oct 13 19:44 |
| MinceR | now you seem to be primarily crapflooding with SJW propaganda | Oct 13 19:45 |
| msb_ | MinceR: When you lie about me, I refute it. Then you lie about me again and I refute that one also. Then you lie again... This creates a flood. | Oct 13 19:46 |
| MinceR | no, that's not what creates a flood | Oct 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheOrderRebel/status/654005412618981378 | Oct 13 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheOrderRebel: @schestowitz @All4Privacy Kind of makes me want to get rid of my facebook...like, right now. | Oct 13 19:49 | |
| MinceR | getting rid of dumbFuckBook is always a good ide | Oct 13 19:50 |
| MinceR | a | Oct 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | do you use wiki search? | Oct 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | One of your links recently indicated this | Oct 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | wikia? | Oct 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | I still use ixquick, for now... | Oct 13 19:51 |
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| MinceR | http://ur1.ca/o08g5 | Oct 13 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@aral: Erdoğan: “If I was a dictator, they couldn’t insult me.” ‘Since 2015, 213 arrests for insulting the president.’ https://t.co/MwV559FJ2M | Oct 13 20:08 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@biliyormusuncom: Erdoğan: "Ben diktatör olsam bana hakaret edemezlerdi." 2015 itibariyle CB'ye hakaretten tutuklananların sayısı 213. Biliyor musun? | Oct 13 20:08 | |
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| schestowitz | "Yeah. I was surprised to learn that one of Nouveau’s main developers works for Intel." | Oct 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6699751 | Oct 13 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654024931055828992 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654024977214144512 | Oct 13 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz fuck sakes, man. The first step to correcting a problem, is admitting it is a problem. Just because it exists, doesn't mean | Oct 13 21:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz that it is okay. | Oct 13 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | the problem is bigger than Linux. Sharp would be wise to take on her employer ($), Intel, for its notorious support of sexism. Linux an easy target. | Oct 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654025847037292544 | Oct 13 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz totally agreed. But what I mean to say is that just because it happens elsewhere, doesn't make it OK to ignore it in any case | Oct 13 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | All the debate is in Linux site, detracting and hurting the Linux brand. She didnt' quit an employer. | Oct 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | *sites | Oct 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | All the debate is in Linux sites, detracting and hurting the Linux brand. She didn't quit an employer. | Oct 13 21:10 |
| MinceR | just as m$, crApple and the SJW troll army wanted | Oct 13 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Cherry-picking (hypocritically) sexism and LGBT rights a common trick in foreign policy (maligning others). See the recent visit of Obama to Africa. | Oct 13 21:11 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux enables people to communicate at a much higher standard of security, therefore it must be destroyed | Oct 13 21:11 |
| MinceR | and so we have systemd, garrettux and debian 8 | Oct 13 21:11 |
| schestowitz | It's not uncommon for the US/UK to berate invaded/looted countries over women's rights | Oct 13 21:12 |
| MinceR | and various attacks on other free software projects too | Oct 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | yeah... | Oct 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | socially-engineering FOSS | Oct 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | (corporations) | Oct 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654026721876836356 | Oct 13 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz yep, ikr. But now Linux is in spotlight, can't just ignore the problems/carry on as normal, need to deal with them. | Oct 13 21:13 | |
| MinceR | (like demanding XY to be blocked from a free software project for comments made on social media that offended some people, without any offers to take over their work or contribute in any way) | Oct 13 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | who's huggi? | Oct 13 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillance | Oct 13 21:16 |
| cubexyz | if you think the Linux environment is toxic, just imagine what the Microsoft environment is like | Oct 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it | Oct 13 21:18 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/10/11/microsoft-sexism-lawsuits/ | Oct 13 21:18 |
| schestowitz | two days ago | Oct 13 21:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Don’t Look at Linux For Sexism, Look at Microsoft (Although Microsoft Hides the Newest Lawsuits) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o0355 ] | Oct 13 21:18 | |
| MinceR | i can imagine it, but it's mostly kept secret | Oct 13 21:19 |
| MinceR | so gullible people believe everything is just peachy there | Oct 13 21:19 |
| cubexyz | that Xbox incident comes to mind | Oct 13 21:19 |
| cubexyz | immature trash talk | Oct 13 21:21 |
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| cubexyz | people leave Micrsoft all the time | Oct 13 21:25 |
| cubexyz | s/Micrsoft/Microsoft/ | Oct 13 21:25 |
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| cubexyz | Mark Lukovsky comes to mind :) | Oct 13 21:27 |
| cubexyz | Ballmer was going to "bury Eric Schmidt" | Oct 13 21:29 |
| cubexyz | can't get much more toxic than Ballmer | Oct 13 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654035280370925568 | Oct 13 21:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Go to NZ Armageddon and get Microsoft sponsored tattoos, free! Hey @schestowitz this is right up your alley. https://t.co/pBnmSGV3eg | Oct 13 21:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PhidMcAwesome: .@retroDoomer they look pretty cool.... http://t.co/HmRpuINXzP | Oct 13 21:49 | |
| schestowitz | Next comes the virus | Oct 13 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Another one http://techrights.org/2015/10/13/the-rpo-tumour/ | Oct 13 21:50 |
| schestowitz | And another one on its way... working on it..... till I'm too tired. | Oct 13 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Lobbies for the Unitary Patent (UPC) and Uses This to Advance Software Patents in Europe | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o09tq ] | Oct 13 21:51 | |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: "I am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillance" Isn't this channel publicly accessible? How can there be a mole? | Oct 13 23:27 |
| msb_ | If I may counter the doom-and-gloom, Devuan Linux is already being used in alpha state, including by a person here. Once it's declared fully ready, concerns about "systemd, garrettux and debian 8" will go away. And for people who want to buy a new desktop, I've found an excellent cheap fast AMD 8-core CPU FX-8350 and a superb mobo in which UEFI/secure-boot can easily be turned off. I should soon receive info from AMD that will | Oct 13 23:46 |
| msb_ | prevent intrusions using the DASH system with a $50 SBC custom open-source router (if the FX-8350 even _has_ the DASH system). So with the help of cubexyz and others, we'll have a secure Linux and a secure platform to run it on. Life is good! | Oct 13 23:46 |
| MinceR | they won't go away | Oct 13 23:47 |
| MinceR | it will be an ongoing battle | Oct 13 23:47 |
| MinceR | especially once Linus loses control of Linux somehow | Oct 13 23:48 |
| msb_ | If he does, the current state of the kernel can simply be saved and used into the future. As to systemd, etc, there are always lousy alternatives, like windows. But all that's needed is one _good_ alternative, like Devuan, and smart people can make the good choice, and others will follow. | Oct 13 23:50 |
| MinceR | consider how microsoft kept (and still keeps) trying to keep their competition off the market | Oct 13 23:50 |
| MinceR | redcrap is already employing similar tactics | Oct 13 23:50 |
| msb_ | One can always find a dire negative possibility in anything and everything. If one focusses on that, one will be miserable and frightened. But if one focusses on the positive possibilities, and how to make them work, then life is a beautiful happy adventure. It's up to you! | Oct 13 23:53 |
| MinceR | “It’s not safe to hope for the best without preparing for the worst.” | Oct 13 23:53 |
| MinceR | we can't win the fight against lendows if we deny that the fight is happening | Oct 13 23:54 |
| msb_ | Of course you don't deny it. You present the good alternative and explain the differences. And expose the evil tactics of RedHat, etc. | Oct 13 23:55 |
| MinceR | you also need to deal with lock-in injected into applications you use | Oct 13 23:57 |
| msb_ | You have to prepare for the best, not just hope for it. | Oct 13 23:57 |
| MinceR | and of course there are and will be attacks on the free software we use | Oct 13 23:57 |
| MinceR | in part to try and prop up lendows | Oct 13 23:57 |
| msb_ | If you mean apps dependent on systemd, presumably Devuan is patching or shimming those. | Oct 13 23:58 |
| MinceR | hopefully | Oct 13 23:58 |
| MinceR | funtoo's doing that too | Oct 13 23:58 |
| MinceR | but the opposition will increase | Oct 13 23:58 |
| MinceR | look at the dirty tricks m$ has done over the years. expect redcrap to bring out all of those and some new ones too. | Oct 13 23:59 |
| msb_ | Basically Free Software _can't_ be successfully attacked! Because it's free and infinitely accessible all over the Earth. It _can't_ be suppressed! | Oct 13 23:59 |
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| MinceR | debian has already been taken away from us | Oct 14 00:00 |
| msb_ | Devuan takes all that's good in Debian and fixes the rest. | Oct 14 00:01 |
| cubexyz | my advice is to get a non-DASH motherboard | Oct 14 00:02 |
| cubexyz | for starters | Oct 14 00:02 |
| msb_ | As to "the dirty tricks m$ has done over the years", what has it gotten them? With windows 10 their company is going down the drain, severely criticized everywhere. While Linux is thriving, and as soon as Devuan is ready, Linux will be purified. | Oct 14 00:03 |
| MinceR | it has gotten them Restricted Boot | Oct 14 00:04 |
| MinceR | and the anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws aren't enforced | Oct 14 00:04 |
| MinceR | we're being locked out of our own computers | Oct 14 00:04 |
| MinceR | that's what it has gotten them | Oct 14 00:04 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: We don't know at this point whether DASH can be enabled without BIOS support. | Oct 14 00:04 |
| msb_ | MinceR: But the _actual fact_ is that Linux isn't locked out of _any_ computers. | Oct 14 00:05 |
| cubexyz | msb_, I wouldn't say that | Oct 14 00:05 |
| cubexyz | Linux is locked out on Windows ARM computers | Oct 14 00:06 |
| cubexyz | some folks are having problems disabling secure boot | Oct 14 00:06 |
| msb_ | Yes, we talked about that and you said their bios was not up to date. | Oct 14 00:07 |
| cubexyz | that's part of it | Oct 14 00:07 |
| cubexyz | do you think Linux is going to be easily loadable on that new Microsoft Laptop? | Oct 14 00:07 |
| cubexyz | it's dubious at best | Oct 14 00:07 |
| msb_ | brb You guys can piss and moan among yourselves. | Oct 14 00:07 |
| msb_ | So never buy anything from microshit. Doctor, it hurts when I go like this. So don't go like that! | Oct 14 00:08 |
| cubexyz | you still need to be aware of the situation | Oct 14 00:09 |
| cubexyz | people need to know what to avoid | Oct 14 00:09 |
| msb_ | Yep, and its up to us to tell them. We are the heroes we've been waiting for! | Oct 14 00:09 |
| cubexyz | we don't really know what the exactly situation is for surface books | Oct 14 00:10 |
| cubexyz | eventually hackers will find a way though | Oct 14 00:10 |
| cubexyz | how difficult it will be, that's the question | Oct 14 00:10 |
| msb_ | So, there's one kind of new computer that people should avoid. Big Deal. | Oct 14 00:11 |
| cubexyz | if someone asks me if they can run Linux on surface book, I don't have an answer | Oct 14 00:11 |
| msb_ | Yes you do. Tell them to buy something else instead. | Oct 14 00:12 |
| MinceR | afaik winblows x86 tablets tend to have a broken 32bit uefi implementation that tends to make it an even greater pain in the ass to run linux on them | Oct 14 00:12 |
| cubexyz | I say buy MSI, Gigabyte or Chromebooks | Oct 14 00:13 |
| cubexyz | maybe Tyan, still researching that | Oct 14 00:13 |
| msb_ | ASUS is good too. | Oct 14 00:13 |
| MinceR | also, the reason m$ didn't completely kill gnu/linux is that we the people opposed them | Oct 14 00:14 |
| cubexyz | I managed to get some good search done on Award BIOS last night, made some good progress | Oct 14 00:15 |
| MinceR | for the same reason, we'll need to oppose redcrap as well | Oct 14 00:15 |
| cubexyz | s/search/research/ | Oct 14 00:15 |
| msb_ | Make sure that when you make a recommendation, you clearly and fully tell them how fast it runs. Many people want a fast computer, and if you send those toward a slow one they will be very pissed and will hate Linux. | Oct 14 00:16 |
| cubexyz | for distros I'm going Q4OS, OpenBSD, AntiX, etc | Oct 14 00:16 |
| cubexyz | you can get an i7 chromebook if you want | Oct 14 00:17 |
| msb_ | We need a non-systemd distro that has a large staff so it can keep up with the latest apps, which people want. | Oct 14 00:17 |
| cubexyz | personally I think it's too expensive, but some folks got money so... | Oct 14 00:17 |
| msb_ | Many folks have limited money. | Oct 14 00:17 |
| msb_ | brb | Oct 14 00:17 |
| cubexyz | chromebooks have a sub-$300 option | Oct 14 00:18 |
| cubexyz | it's affordable | Oct 14 00:18 |
| cubexyz | there's no DASH | Oct 14 00:18 |
| cubexyz | coreboot firmware | Oct 14 00:18 |
| cubexyz | I have customers I never thought in a million years would use Linux, but they seem to like chromebooks | Oct 14 00:19 |
| cubexyz | that's a huge shift in thinking | Oct 14 00:19 |
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| MinceR | we seem to have lost a lot of staff to cancerd | Oct 14 00:21 |
| cubexyz | there's three different tiers: | Oct 14 00:23 |
| cubexyz | hardware | Oct 14 00:23 |
| cubexyz | BIOS | Oct 14 00:23 |
| cubexyz | Operating System | Oct 14 00:24 |
| cubexyz | you really need to know all three to get the most of out of one's computer | Oct 14 00:24 |
| cubexyz | I'm still learning stuff about my Tyan motherboard from 1998 | Oct 14 00:25 |
| cubexyz | I thought msb_ would like Q4OS since it comes with trinity repos | Oct 14 00:28 |
| cubexyz | seems a decent choice | Oct 14 00:28 |
| cubexyz | but not for very old hardware (14 years or more) | Oct 14 00:28 |
| cubexyz | assuming you have a P4 or faster, it's OK | Oct 14 00:29 |
| cubexyz | on the BSD side, OpenBSD or PC-BSD | Oct 14 00:30 |
| MinceR | no netbsd? | Oct 14 00:30 |
| cubexyz | not sure what the status is for netbsd to be honest | Oct 14 00:32 |
| cubexyz | The advantage of NetBSD used to be that it ran on everything | Oct 14 00:32 |
| MinceR | afaik its advantages also include virtualization, LKM support and no consorting with launchd and similar garbage | Oct 14 00:33 |
| cubexyz | it's not the leanest distro out there, but if you have 24 megs of ram or more it's OK | Oct 14 00:35 |
| cubexyz | OpenBSD focuses more on security, NetBSD focuses more on portability | Oct 14 00:37 |
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| cubexyz | do I recommend people running Linux and BSD, depending on the situation? Definitely | Oct 14 00:38 |
| cubexyz | for non-x86 NetBSD is probably the best choice | Oct 14 00:41 |
| MinceR | afaik linux still runs on more architectures than netbsd | Oct 14 00:42 |
| MinceR | but if redcrap has their way, this will change | Oct 14 00:42 |
| cubexyz | PC-BSD is strictly x86-64 | Oct 14 00:42 |
| cubexyz | didn't redhat already drop a bunch of architectures? | Oct 14 00:44 |
| MinceR | dunno, debian started dropping stuff left and right ever since they decided they'll force systemd on their users | Oct 14 00:45 |
| cubexyz | hard to keep away from x86 :) | Oct 14 00:48 |
| cubexyz | there's ARM based chromebooks of course | Oct 14 00:49 |
| cubexyz | did you know that chromium OS is based on Gentoo? | Oct 14 00:50 |
| cubexyz | http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-secret-origins-of-googles-chrome-os/ | Oct 14 00:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | The secret origins of Google's Chrome OS | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/o0cpf ] | Oct 14 00:52 | |
| cubexyz | Google liked Portage it seems | Oct 14 00:56 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: How big is the Q4OS staff? Do they keep up with the latest apps? | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | [23:27] <msb_> schestowitz: "I am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillance" Isn't this channel publicly accessible? How can there be a mole? | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Real time | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | i know for a fact they read logs | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | based on leaked information | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | but I don't want them to see what's planned in real time | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | as it can help them crush the staff | Oct 14 01:13 |
| schestowitz | (i use alternative channels for EPO-related comms) | Oct 14 01:13 |
| schestowitz | If we derail EPO, whose special partner turns out to be Microsoft (in IT and as kickbacking applicant), we can stop Microsoft amassing software patents to attack Linux in Europe | Oct 14 01:14 |
| schestowitz | I think we're winning two battles here | Oct 14 01:14 |
| schestowitz | one against software patents | Oct 14 01:14 |
| schestowitz | and another against the criminals (MicrosofT) | Oct 14 01:14 |
| msb_ | How can you tell who is here? There are two Guestxxxx. | Oct 14 01:14 |
| schestowitz | maybe they are staff lurking | Oct 14 01:14 |
| schestowitz | so either way, there are unknowns here | Oct 14 01:15 |
| schestowitz | there are often moles infiltrating staff unions | Oct 14 01:15 |
| schestowitz | to spy, to bust, or to act of provocatuers | Oct 14 01:15 |
| schestowitz | *eurs | Oct 14 01:15 |
| schestowitz | I think i have a big target on my arse right now | Oct 14 01:15 |
| schestowitz | big protest tomorrow in munich and I'm the main source the staff is citing for info, along perhaps with IP Kat | Oct 14 01:16 |
| cubexyz | Q4OS is based on Debian Wheezy, and they even offer preinstalled computers with Q4OS and paid support | Oct 14 01:17 |
| msb_ | More important -- look out for your personal safety. Watch for cars following you, etc. Remember, the govts/corps have murdered millions in the last 15 years alone. | Oct 14 01:17 |
| cubexyz | no idea how many people are behind it | Oct 14 01:17 |
| cubexyz | http://www.q4os.org/shop/ | Oct 14 01:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.q4os.org | Q4OS Store | Oct 14 01:17 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Bullet-proof vest might be a good idea. | Oct 14 01:18 |
| MinceR | combat armor | Oct 14 01:18 |
| cubexyz | I've largely done my own support of FC1 since 2003 so the support thing isn't a big deal to me | Oct 14 01:19 |
| cubexyz | certain project maintainers still support the old stuff, at least security-wise | Oct 14 01:19 |
| cubexyz | Q4OS does have fixes for problems that were in KDE 3.5.10 | Oct 14 01:20 |
| schestowitz | msb_: lol | Oct 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | leave that to battistelli | Oct 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | he has had personal bodyguards for a while | Oct 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | more than one | Oct 14 01:25 |
| MinceR | power armor would be nice | Oct 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | I have my alibi (rianne) | Oct 14 01:30 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 14 01:30 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: the democratic debate intro was literally a professional sports intro | Oct 14 02:02 |
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| MinceR | :) | Oct 14 02:05 |
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| schestowitz | XFaCE: do who 'won'? | Oct 14 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Did that arse, Clinton, lose the crowd to Sanders? | Oct 14 02:47 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: dunno, stopped watching after ROFLOL at that intro | Oct 14 02:49 |
| MinceR | did they invite Lessig at all? | Oct 14 02:50 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: also the canadian election has given me an allergy to debates | Oct 14 02:50 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 14 02:50 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: I'm sure Trinity DE will have a version for Devuan when it's ready. Did not get any docs from AMD re DASH, past their deadline, will call them again tomorrow. | Oct 14 05:12 |
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| msb_ | Wow, the latest version of handbrake, built 2 months ago, is in the repo for my 4 year old Linux! It didn't get installed in the menu, but I found the program and can call it from a bash script, and the docs are on the Web. I should be able to compress 1GB 720p videos down to perfectly watchable 250MB 360p ones. Let's see if it can convert them as fast as I can watch them...8^) | Oct 14 09:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bagaar/status/654211878537658368 | Oct 14 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bagaar: Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (@schestowitz): Norwegian Financial Institution VPS Modernizes IT with #OpenShift... http://t.co/637aPioCkr | Oct 14 10:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businesswire.com | Norwegian Financial Institution VPS Modernizes IT with OpenShift Enterprise by Red Hat | Business Wire | Oct 14 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | Wow https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654221318217449472 | Oct 14 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz just got an email from someone that the EPO has blocked my latest post, allegedly per presidential order | Oct 14 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/654221369459240961 | Oct 14 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: or using "StingRay" IMSI catchers https://t.co/F746TGcFjl | Oct 14 10:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: To >effectively< ban #techrights access at the #epo the Battistelli Gang will need to confiscate the smartphones (3/4G) of >all< staff. | Oct 14 10:14 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe the #epo consultants at @Control_Risks can phone up their mates in the US and UK to send some #stingray over to Munich... | Oct 14 10:15 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/slothygeek/status/654229749796106240 | Oct 14 10:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@slothygeek: Hello @schestowitz I made a list of 6 Raspberry Pi Youtube channels for beginners. Check out and comment please :) http://t.co/HUh8NmJc5F | Oct 14 10:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.slothygeek.com | 6 Youtube Channels For Beginner Raspberry Pi Users | Tutorials | Oct 14 10:42 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/h4ck3rm1k3/status/654255525878726656 | Oct 14 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@h4ck3rm1k3: @schestowitz I switched back to #debian a long time ago and am very happy. | Oct 14 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JayVuppuluri/status/654256779598143488 | Oct 14 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JayVuppuluri: RT https://t.co/P3s38oOJfn | Oct 14 12:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The University of Manchester, where I studied, is now attacking #freespeech http://t.co/YsZCB2Hp8J http://t.co/1fOOqmFinO #gop | Oct 14 12:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/h4ck3rm1k3/status/654261136737587200 | Oct 14 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@h4ck3rm1k3: @schestowitz How do you post to all these networks automatically? | Oct 14 12:48 | |
| schestowitz | I just post to diaspora, which then sends a copy to twitter... | Oct 14 12:48 |
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| msb_ | I used handbrake to convert a 926MB 720p video to a 370MB 360p. Took 30 minutes and result was great! Heated both cores to 70C. Maybe if I blow the dust out again,.. | Oct 14 13:01 |
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| msb_ | great. To make an x265 -- half the size -- it's gonna take more than 8 hours. That | Oct 14 13:17 |
| msb_ | That's why people need 8 cores. | Oct 14 13:18 |
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| msb_ | Back to mp4, 540x304, 25 minutes. Should be 260MB. | Oct 14 13:41 |
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| msb_ | Nothing yet from AMD regarding DASH. Cust svc says should rcv by tomorrow. | Oct 14 19:37 |
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| msb_ | Please donate to Trinity project to keep one good DE alive. They need $ to pay for build farm, etc. https://www.trinitydesktop.org/donate.php | Oct 14 19:47 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How SUSE Linux Makes Use Of Btrfs Rollbacks | Oct 14 19:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How SUSE Linux Makes Use Of Btrfs Rollbacks | Tux Machines | Oct 14 19:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Richard Matthew Stallman – The Father Of Free | Oct 14 19:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BeagleBoard-x15 to arrive in time for holiday | Oct 14 19:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to Android | Oct 14 20:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to Android | Tux Machines | Oct 14 20:03 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Asus ZenPad 8.0 (Z380KL) Review: Flying the | Oct 14 20:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Reverting to Gnome Scroll Bars | Oct 14 20:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu: New 15.04 stable release | Oct 14 20:39 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP launches open source network operating | Oct 14 20:39 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Lose Another Big Name, This Time To Nvidia | Oct 14 20:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android dominates DxOMark as iPhone 6S ranks | Oct 14 21:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Arch Linux has much to offer savvy Linux | Oct 14 21:22 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | those who want a distro" http://t.co/KZ2IkN3ftP | Oct 14 21:22 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially Adding | Oct 14 21:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially Adding PlayOnLinux | Tux Machines | Oct 14 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Q4OS 1.4.3, Orion http://t.co/YLYNOLRov7 | Oct 14 21:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-q4os.org | Q4OS - desktop operating system | Oct 14 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Krita 2.9.8 released https://t.co/PvXbT240sv | Oct 14 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (krita.org) | Oct 14 21:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org | Krita 2.9.8 | Krita | Oct 14 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LightZone 4.1.3 Has Been Released | Oct 14 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/dyla7FWhf6 (linuxg.net) | Oct 14 21:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13% | Oct 14 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/P7zLvnjrNK (www.geeky-gadgets.com) | Oct 14 21:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FFmpeg 2.8.1 "Feynman" Arrives with Multiple | Oct 14 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fixes http://news.softFFmpeg 2.8.1 "Feynman" | Oct 14 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arrives with Multiple Fixes | Oct 14 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EUtOhzuM6A (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 14 21:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | LightZone 4.1.3 Has Been Released | LinuxG.net | Oct 14 21:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeky-gadgets.com | VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13% | Oct 14 21:58 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | FFmpeg 2.8.1 "Feynman" Arrives with Multiple Fixes - Softpedia | Oct 14 21:58 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Krita 2.9.8 http://t.co/jqopFlQn4j | Oct 14 22:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 2.9.8 | Tux Machines | Oct 14 22:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13% | Oct 14 22:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13% | Tux Machines | Oct 14 22:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SFLC Confronts FCC, OSI Supports GPL | Oct 14 22:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enforcement Principles http://t.co/tjRDRsCjbW | Oct 14 22:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SFLC Confronts FCC, OSI Supports GPL Enforcement Principles | Tux Machines | Oct 14 22:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704042 | Oct 14 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ubuntu 15.10 Might Ship with a Couple of Annoying Trash-Related Bugs http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-10-might-ship-with-a-couple-of-annoying-trash-related-bugs-494518.shtml #gnu #linux | Oct 14 22:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Might Ship with a Couple of Annoying Trash-Related Bugs - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/o0uwz ] | Oct 14 22:41 | |
| schestowitz | "Deception on Ubuntu 15.10 until now… http://libuntu.net/2015/10/11/hasta-los-momentos-ubuntu-15-10-decepciona/ " | Oct 14 22:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libuntu.net | Hasta los momentos, Ubuntu 15.10 decepciona | Libuntu - Linux, OpenSource, Software Libre y Mas [ http://ur1.ca/o0ux1 ] | Oct 14 22:42 | |
| cubexyz | the official word from Linus on BIOS: | Oct 14 23:03 |
| cubexyz | - the BIOS is written mostly in assembly - the BIOS is tested exclusively with DOS and Windows - most BIOS writers appear to simply be incompetent, or just not care. | Oct 14 23:03 |
| cubexyz | so yes, Linux tries very hard to avoid BIOS calls | Oct 14 23:03 |
| cubexyz | but Linux does not avoid BIOS calls all together | Oct 14 23:04 |
| cubexyz | some are still used | Oct 14 23:04 |
| cubexyz | however, Linux also does a few things wrong which the BIOS does correctly | Oct 14 23:05 |
| cubexyz | the real trick is knowing which one is right, it differs from case to case | Oct 14 23:05 |
| XFaCE | yo schestowitz | Oct 14 23:16 |
| XFaCE | funny on the sarah sharp follow-up articles | Oct 14 23:17 |
| XFaCE | the guy who "agreed" with you, completely missed the point entirely | Oct 14 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | who? | Oct 14 23:27 |
| schestowitz | gamergate not mentioned? | Oct 14 23:28 |
| XFaCE | http://ostatic.com/blog/linux-discussion-continues-fedora-welcomes-chromium | Oct 14 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Linux Discussion Continues, Fedora Welcomes Chromium [ http://ur1.ca/o0vl4 ] | Oct 14 23:29 | |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: "He agreed with Dr. Roy Schestowitz in that all this is a "PR nightmare" threatening the "flagship of the open-source movement." He placed part of the blame on what he calls the "Internet of hate"" | Oct 14 23:29 |
| XFaCE | he took your comments out of context and made you look like you agreed with increasing political correctness basically | Oct 14 23:30 |
| XFaCE | even though you said specifically | Oct 14 23:30 |
| XFaCE | ""This outburst against Linux has nothing to do with women’s rights or manners. There is no threat of violence (as once alleged) and there is no language directly offensive to women (no more than it can be offensive to men). Some people have too thin a skin, especially where free speech is highly valued."" | Oct 14 23:30 |
| schestowitz | right... | Oct 14 23:30 |
| schestowitz | but never mind that... it's old news | Oct 14 23:30 |
| schestowitz | just got a tuxmanchines comment on this article | Oct 14 23:31 |
| schestowitz | e "Internet of hate"" | Oct 14 23:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rust programming language for speed, safety, | Oct 14 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and concurrency http://t.co/tYDcqXkXqE | Oct 14 23:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rust programming language for speed, safety, and concurrency | Tux Machines | Oct 14 23:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Oct 14 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/I2tVhXeIaK (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 14 23:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Tux Machines | Oct 14 23:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux | Oct 14 23:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Foundation, New CentOS http://t.co/saaNaWR79b | Oct 14 23:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Oct 14 23:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux Foundation, New CentOS | Techrights | Oct 14 23:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BeagleBoard-x15 to arrive in time for holiday | Oct 14 23:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | hacking http://t.co/twElpn4qFh | Oct 14 23:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | BeagleBoard-X15 to arrive in time for holiday hacking · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 14 23:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to Android | Oct 14 23:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/vw7ilsAGi0 (www.yahoo.com) | Oct 14 23:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.yahoo.com | 6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to Android | Oct 14 23:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially Adding | Oct 14 23:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PlayOnLinux http://t.co/1V91xtoPhC | Oct 14 23:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Oct 14 23:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially Adding PlayOnLinux - Phoronix | Oct 14 23:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Oct 14 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WxhlBWlVFJ (www.linuxinsider.com) | Oct 14 23:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Oct 14 23:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines North Americans Love /Linux ON THE DESKTOP | Oct 14 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/qpjDwhfby3 (mrpogson.com) "/Linux | Oct 14 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | has ~5% share." | Oct 14 23:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | North Americans Love */Linux ON THE DESKTOP | Robert Pogson | Oct 14 23:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mangaka Chu Out Now as an Ubuntu | Oct 14 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Derivative for Anime and Manga Fans | Oct 14 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JlbnDqyTKO (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 14 23:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | NO TITLE | Oct 14 23:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsbarretto/status/654429905548132352 | Oct 14 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jsbarretto: @schestowitz But rising. Mobile market takeover too. There is no "year of Linux desktop", it's happening being the scenes. Look at Android. | Oct 14 23:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Software 3.18.1 Now Downloads Firmware | Oct 15 00:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Metadata Signatures Once Per Day | Oct 15 00:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/57w3xjLrrp (linux.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 00:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | NO TITLE | Oct 15 00:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qseven module runs Linux on Bay Trail, targets | Oct 15 00:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | industrial apps http://t.co/aP0QBclKZg | Oct 15 00:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Qseven module runs Linux on Bay Trail, targets industrial apps · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 15 00:01 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Mangaka Chu Out Now as an Ubuntu...' | Oct 15 00:01 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Software 3.18.1 Now Downloads Firmware Metadata Signatures...' | Oct 15 00:01 | |
| MinceR | http://www.itworld.com/article/2990861/linux/linux-sarah-sharp-defines-what-makes-a-good-community.html | Oct 15 00:12 |
| MinceR | http://www.itworld.com/article/2989588/linux/linux-is-sarah-sharp-a-social-justice-warrior.html | Oct 15 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Linux: Sarah Sharp defines what makes a good community | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o0w7d ] | Oct 15 00:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Linux: Is Sarah Sharp a Social Justice Warrior? | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o0w7f ] | Oct 15 00:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What I learned while securing Ubuntu | Oct 15 00:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LP1OWJt5BI (major.io) | Oct 15 00:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-major.io | What I learned while securing Ubuntu - major.io | Oct 15 00:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines It Walks like Windows, It Talks like Windows, | Oct 15 00:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | but Q4OS 1.4.3 Is a Linux Distro | Oct 15 00:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/4iNphYf8cC (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 00:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | NO TITLE | Oct 15 00:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark | Oct 15 00:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Brown http://t.co/YwqenxjJq3 (www.linux.com) | Oct 15 00:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark Brown | Linux.com | Oct 15 00:14 | |
| cubexyz | update on listening to CBC Radio on Linux: | Oct 15 00:28 |
| cubexyz | http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/search?q=CBC | Oct 15 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca | Notes on Linux | Oct 15 00:28 | |
| schestowitz | The Telegraph seems to have shut off its content. So it's unlikely I'll | Oct 15 00:37 |
| schestowitz | have any links to forward from them for the foreseeable future." | Oct 15 00:37 |
| schestowitz | iophk | Oct 15 00:37 |
| schestowitz | didn't notice this issue | Oct 15 00:37 |
| MinceR | http://www.preining.info/blog/2015/10/looking-at-the-facts-sarah-sharps-crusade/ | Oct 15 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Looking at the facts: Sarah Sharp’s crusade | There and back again [ http://ur1.ca/o0wlh ] | Oct 15 00:43 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2015/10/13/tale-of-the-tape-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders | Oct 15 00:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Tale of the Tape: Hillary Clinton vs. Bernie Sanders | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/o0wud ] | Oct 15 01:01 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704875 | Oct 15 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Oct 15 01:12 | |
| schestowitz | "old and busted" | Oct 15 01:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fqxjv/status/654449282976628737 | Oct 15 01:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fqxjv: No, Hillary, Snowden did not have whistleblower protections http://t.co/AbqQEKIHb3 MT @schestowitz Spying & Fatherland Security are exempt | Oct 15 01:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.motherjones.com | No, Hillary, Edward Snowden Didn't Have Whistleblower Protections | Mother Jones | Oct 15 01:14 | |
| schestowitz | So now it will become another Maxim. I do not understand. In Japan they take care of covering pubic hair for their photos. What would stop them to have a non nude for the Chinese market and a “regular” one for the US one. | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | I think that Maxim and the ones from the same ilk are cannibalizing sales, than a problem with China. IMHO. | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704889 | Oct 15 01:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #China —not online porn—is why #Playboy is dumping nude photographs http://qz.com/522672/china-not-online-porn-is-why-playboy-is-dumping-nude-photographs/ | Oct 15 01:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> qz.com | China—not online porn—is why Playboy is dumping nude photographs - Quartz [ http://ur1.ca/o0x0x ] | Oct 15 01:16 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | So now it will become another Maxim. I do not understand. In Japan they take care of covering pubic hair for their photos. What would stop them to have a non nude for the Chinese market and a “regular” one for the US one. | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | I think that Maxim and the ones from the same ilk are cannibalizing sales, than a problem with China. IMHO. | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | censoring bodies | Oct 15 01:16 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: censoring *everything | Oct 15 01:20 |
| cubexyz | regarding the Microsoft is being sneaky article... | Oct 15 01:21 |
| cubexyz | I always tell people if you must run windows then have separate computers for windows and linux | Oct 15 01:22 |
| cubexyz | don't try to run both on the same computer | Oct 15 01:22 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: "internet of hate", ugh | Oct 15 01:22 |
| XFaCE | fear monger everywhere \o/ | Oct 15 01:23 |
| cubexyz | on the other hand, I've never had a problem running FreeDOS and Linux on the same machine | Oct 15 01:24 |
| cubexyz | or Plan 9 and Linux | Oct 15 01:24 |
| XFaCE | cubexyz: what's Plan 9 like in modern times? | Oct 15 01:25 |
| cubexyz | it's pretty stagnant actually | Oct 15 01:26 |
| cubexyz | only works well on older hardware | Oct 15 01:26 |
| cubexyz | but I have older hardware, so no big problem | Oct 15 01:26 |
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| XFaCE | so a good 2005 OS? :P | Oct 15 01:27 |
| cubexyz | put it in a similar cateogory to ReactOS, AROS, and other research OSes | Oct 15 01:27 |
| XFaCE | ah | Oct 15 01:27 |
| cubexyz | I would probably say older than that | Oct 15 01:27 |
| cubexyz | use a computer with PS/2 ports for keyboard and mouse for sure | Oct 15 01:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Final Freeze https://t.co/SrF4L9lc6X | Oct 15 02:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2015-October/001687.html ) | Oct 15 02:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux | Oct 15 02:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Foundation, New CentOS http://t.co/saaNaWR79b | Oct 15 02:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (techrights.org) | Oct 15 02:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux Foundation, New CentOS | Techrights | Oct 15 02:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/AmuzigNa8L | Oct 15 02:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Oct 15 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/S8dyPzGTYb | Oct 15 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 15 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark | Oct 15 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Brown http://t.co/UPdRde92d9 | Oct 15 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark Brown | Tux Machines | Oct 15 02:22 | |
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| cubexyz | some baseline info on vPro: | Oct 15 04:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.howtogeek.com/56538/how-to-remotely-control-your-pc-even-when-it-crashes/ | Oct 15 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | How to Remotely Control Your PC (Even When it Crashes) [ http://ur1.ca/o0z5j ] | Oct 15 04:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Free, open source alternatives to LastPass | Oct 15 04:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0EbOb3mQcg (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 04:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free, open source alternatives to LastPass | Tux Machines | Oct 15 04:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why open source is a safe choice for agencies | Oct 15 04:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/NaS7oHm4ZO (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 04:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why open source is a safe choice for agencies | Tux Machines | Oct 15 04:09 | |
| cubexyz | msb_, note you can get some info about vPro in the Ivy Bridge section | Oct 15 04:11 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Thanks! But at this point I'm focussing on AMD. | Oct 15 04:13 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/amd-dashconfig.pdf | Oct 15 04:18 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Amazing that howtogeek thinks AMT is a _good_ thing! | Oct 15 04:18 |
| cubexyz | the bad outweights the good I'd say | Oct 15 04:19 |
| cubexyz | it's like when major power plants started adding remote access to control panels | Oct 15 04:19 |
| cubexyz | they used be operated by physical switches only | Oct 15 04:19 |
| cubexyz | I guess if there was a bad crash and you wanted to remotely restart a computer, it could be useful | Oct 15 04:21 |
| cubexyz | but I don't think I ever want to reflash the BIOS remotely | Oct 15 04:22 |
| msb_ | You saw the page I found that explains how to wipe the hard drive remotely? | Oct 15 04:22 |
| cubexyz | no, I don't think I saw that | Oct 15 04:23 |
| cubexyz | probably a stolen laptop scenario | Oct 15 04:24 |
| msb_ | https://community.amd.com/ideas/1115 | Oct 15 04:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-community.amd.com | Remote Diskwipe Solution for IT Administrator | Community | Oct 15 04:24 | |
| cubexyz | is there a way to remove that facebook/twitter/print thing? | Oct 15 04:27 |
| msb_ | I think that very few people are 1. aware of the murderous psychopathy of the US government and its motivation to kill Net communication and 2. knowledgeable about methods it could do that like AMT and DASH. | Oct 15 04:27 |
| cubexyz | actually there was a WNED show about the NSA and stuxnet on TV tonight | Oct 15 04:28 |
| msb_ | Good, but people think things like stuxnet would never apply to them. | Oct 15 04:28 |
| cubexyz | but mostly it was presented in way that made NSA look like the good guys | Oct 15 04:28 |
| cubexyz | even had a Snowden interview about 'cyberwar' | Oct 15 04:29 |
| msb_ | Yeah. Israel has 400 nukes and has been committing genocide for 50 years, but preventing Iran from having one nuke is portrayed as good. | Oct 15 04:29 |
| cubexyz | ah, found a way to hide it | Oct 15 04:29 |
| msb_ | What are you talking about? | Oct 15 04:30 |
| cubexyz | there was a vertical strip on the left side of that community amd page you posted | Oct 15 04:30 |
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| cubexyz | maybe your browser is blocking it automatically | Oct 15 04:30 |
| msb_ | No. How did you do it? | Oct 15 04:31 |
| msb_ | It blocks some of the text. | Oct 15 04:31 |
| cubexyz | at the bottom there's a tiny greyish triangle | Oct 15 04:32 |
| cubexyz | click it and it hides the strip | Oct 15 04:32 |
| cubexyz | there's also another triangle higher up that brings it back | Oct 15 04:32 |
| msb_ | I don't see that. At the bottom is a cartoon of a printer. | Oct 15 04:34 |
| cubexyz | the bottom of the strip :) | Oct 15 04:35 |
| cubexyz | you may need to hover the mouse just under the print icon to see it | Oct 15 04:35 |
| msb_ | Got it! Had to use kmag to see it. | Oct 15 04:36 |
| msb_ | Very faint grey. | Oct 15 04:36 |
| cubexyz | exactly | Oct 15 04:36 |
| msb_ | I loathe social media! | Oct 15 04:36 |
| cubexyz | I don't like facebook, but all my old friends are on it | Oct 15 04:37 |
| cubexyz | note that DASH can view a BIOS screen remotely | Oct 15 04:38 |
| cubexyz | lots of scary potential | Oct 15 04:39 |
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| msb_ | Very few computer-savvy people are capable of understanding that the US govt destr0yed Afgh. Iraq, Libya, half of Syria, installed a Nazi govt in Ukraine, and murdered 2,000,000 people, all since 2001. Their eyes just glaze over and they change the subject. It's like they're under a post-hypnotic suggestion. They _can't_ think about it. | Oct 15 04:45 |
| msb_ | Anyhow that pdf on DASH is gold! The xml schemas toward the end even seem to have a port number. Maybe filtering out packets with that port# would do it! | Oct 15 04:47 |
| msb_ | Thanks! | Oct 15 04:47 |
| msb_ | It's gonna take me a while to study it though. Just the fact that it's all about windows programs makes me want to puke. | Oct 15 04:54 |
| cubexyz | Linus himself has remarked that BIOS development is windows-centric to a large degree | Oct 15 04:55 |
| cubexyz | of course, older BIOSes were DOS-centric | Oct 15 04:55 |
| msb_ | Here's a yahoo group: Necromocracy ! | Oct 15 04:57 |
| cubexyz | just for fun I'm going to have a look at http://award-bios.com | Oct 15 05:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-award-bios.com | Award Software and Phoenix Technologies Have Merged | Oct 15 05:00 | |
| msb_ | Found it: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/necromocracy/conversations/messages | Oct 15 05:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.yahoo.com | Yahoo! Groups [ http://ur1.ca/o0zoi ] | Oct 15 05:04 | |
| cubexyz | bad hackers could attack the firmware of your CDROM | Oct 15 05:11 |
| cubexyz | I think Dragos was talking about that | Oct 15 05:11 |
| cubexyz | the other thing I didn't like was the region code thing... you could change it half a dozen times then it gets locked | Oct 15 05:12 |
| msb_ | I guess once bad hackers get in (and the govt are the worst) they can change anything changeable. | Oct 15 05:13 |
| msb_ | A typical scenario the US govt could do, following from their actions in Ukraine and Syria, is to blow off a nuke somewhere in the US and say that Russia did it, and then kill the Internet and all computers so that researchers and honest news sources couldn't talk about it. | Oct 15 05:17 |
| cubexyz | ransomware :) | Oct 15 05:17 |
| cubexyz | I even know people who have paid the ransom | Oct 15 05:17 |
| msb_ | This would be much worse. | Oct 15 05:17 |
| cubexyz | killing the whole internet would be pretty hard to do | Oct 15 05:18 |
| cubexyz | satellite/wifi/ethernet/3G/everything... | Oct 15 05:18 |
| msb_ | The govt controls the top-level domain servers. Remember, they killed that guy who tried to stop it. | Oct 15 05:18 |
| msb_ | Then they could kill every computer they could via AMT and DASH. And of course the microshit botnet. | Oct 15 05:19 |
| msb_ | Wht | Oct 15 05:20 |
| msb_ | Whatever was left they could just take over with a few soldiers. | Oct 15 05:20 |
| cubexyz | there's always AX.25 | Oct 15 05:21 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure they probably could knock out a lot of the internet | Oct 15 05:21 |
| msb_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel | Oct 15 05:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jon Postel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 15 05:25 | |
| msb_ | Died at the age of 55, 9 months after trying to get control of the root servers away from the US necromocracy. | Oct 15 05:26 |
| msb_ | We lost World War Z about a hundred years ago. | Oct 15 05:27 |
| cubexyz | there was something about complications from heart surgery | Oct 15 05:27 |
| msb_ | Yeah, fascist political complications. | Oct 15 05:29 |
| cubexyz | doesn't seem to be much info about it | Oct 15 05:29 |
| msb_ | Don't worry, it was just a coincidence, nothing to see here, move on. | Oct 15 05:29 |
| msb_ | Somebody just walked past him, sprayed an aerosol in his face, and kept walking. That's all it would take. | Oct 15 05:30 |
| cubexyz | ok, he actually died on the operating table, I wasn't sure about that | Oct 15 05:30 |
| cubexyz | did you know that Postel was opposed by NSI? | Oct 15 05:31 |
| msb_ | The poison would have given him the heart problem to start with. | Oct 15 05:31 |
| cubexyz | and the NSI were well connected with washington defense contractors? | Oct 15 05:31 |
| msb_ | The psychopaths are all interconnected. They are predatory aliens in human bodies, and their prey is the human race. | Oct 15 05:32 |
| cubexyz | check these names: | Oct 15 05:32 |
| cubexyz | Ira Magaziner and Becky Burr | Oct 15 05:33 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, Ira didn't seem too nice | Oct 15 05:34 |
| cubexyz | interesting nickname: | Oct 15 05:35 |
| cubexyz | "Hillary's Rasputin" :) | Oct 15 05:35 |
| msb_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computers,_Freedom_and_Privacy_Conference Becky Burr, head of the Commerce Department unit overseeing many Internet issues | Oct 15 05:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Computers, Freedom and Privacy Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/o0zzh ] | Oct 15 05:37 | |
| cubexyz | it definitely sounded like a bork-up of the public trust | Oct 15 05:38 |
| msb_ | "Public trust" is a total charade. Americans are given just enough to enable them to survive (mostly), but without spare time or money to investigage and organize. The Internet is changing that, but you can see all the malware and propaganda that are being used to prevent people from using it. | Oct 15 05:42 |
| msb_ | Talk about rt.com or globalresearch.ca, even here, and blammo! | Oct 15 05:43 |
| msb_ | The power of the Bernays method is enormous. Not just "what you tell me three times is true", but what you tell me 3,000 times is absolute fact that can never be questioned. | Oct 15 05:45 |
| msb_ | The monsters have defense in depth. | Oct 15 05:45 |
| msb_ | I don't know how we've survived this long. It's as if there is some invisible force opposing and limiting them. | Oct 15 05:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian GNU/Linux Jessie, Wheezy and Sid Receive | Oct 15 05:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Linux Kernel Updates http://t.co/0nrO8EJpXD | Oct 15 05:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 05:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux Jessie, Wheezy and Sid Receive New Linux Kernel Updates | Tux Machines | Oct 15 05:47 | |
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| msb_ | Hillary Clinton, the gleeful murderer of Gaddafi and Libya, will probably be elected president. Or the lunatic Donald tRump. | Oct 15 05:50 |
| cubexyz | I'll have to have a look at rt.com later | Oct 15 05:50 |
| msb_ | If you don't get it on cable tv, I'm sure they are streaming constantly over the web. | Oct 15 05:51 |
| msb_ | I have it on cable! | Oct 15 05:51 |
| cubexyz | it's Bell Satellite, not that I'm a big fan of Bell :-P | Oct 15 05:53 |
| cubexyz | we have a bit of a duopoly here | Oct 15 05:53 |
| cubexyz | no, I don't get Russia Today | Oct 15 05:54 |
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| msb_ | There are stories on the rt.com homepage, and each of the weekly shows here: https://www.rt.com/shows/ has its own page listing recent shows with links to downloadable videos. | Oct 15 06:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Shows — RT | Oct 15 06:00 | |
| msb_ | Watching the Hawks, The Big Picture, Crosstalk are particularly good. | Oct 15 06:01 |
| msb_ | Despite what we've been told, very little of it has to do with, er, the P-man. | Oct 15 06:02 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: There's a where-to-watch page: https://www.rt.com/where-to-watch/ It's probably been on my system for years but just called a "leased channel". I only found out about it a month or two ago when a neighbor on the same system told me. | Oct 15 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Where to watch — RT | Oct 15 06:13 | |
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| msb_ | http://fossforce.com/2015/10/microsoft-infects-windows-computers-with-advertising-malware/ | Oct 15 08:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Microsoft Infects Windows Computers With Malvertising | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/o11ud ] | Oct 15 08:47 | |
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| schestowitz | > http://fossforce.com/2015/10/good-software-bad-behavior/ | Oct 15 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Good Software, Bad Behavior | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/o1297 ] | Oct 15 09:31 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 09:31 |
| schestowitz | > Larry seeing only the opposing side's press statements, see next link | Oct 15 09:31 |
| schestowitz | > for how it should have been handled. | Oct 15 09:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > - | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > "I have now spent two hours reading through lkml posts, and want to | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > summarize a few mails from the long thread, since most of the usual news | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > sites just rewrap the original blog of hers without adding any background." | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.preining.info/blog/2015/10/looking-at-the-facts-sarah-sharps-crusade/ | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I don't want to spend more time on this. It only helps Linux foes. | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | I have an explosive MS/EPO article coming tonight... | Oct 15 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Looking at the facts: Sarah Sharp’s crusade | There and back again [ http://ur1.ca/o0wlh ] | Oct 15 09:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, | Oct 15 09:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Happy Birthday! http://t.co/On20kCk3DS | Oct 15 09:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 09:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, Happy Birthday! | Tux Machines | Oct 15 09:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Liberty Is First OpenStack Release Under 'Big | Oct 15 09:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tent' Model http://t.co/h7WJINsbxi | Oct 15 09:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 09:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Liberty Is First OpenStack Release Under 'Big Tent' Model | Tux Machines | Oct 15 09:33 | |
| schestowitz | New leak in the kitchen today (just discovered). Another weekend project, I guess. :/ | Oct 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2990107/windows-server/hands-on-with-powershell-for-windows-server-admins.html | Oct 15 09:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | The power of PowerShell: An intro for Windows Server admins | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/o12gl ] | Oct 15 09:52 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 09:52 |
| schestowitz | > SPAM | Oct 15 09:52 |
| schestowitz | "Adam is a Microsoft Windows PowerShell MVP, 2015 powershell.org PowerShell hero, and has numerous Microsoft IT pro certifications." | Oct 15 09:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/654589394146324480 | Oct 15 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz I use Pass, an encrypted #CLI password keeper. | Oct 15 10:30 | |
| cubexyz | if you really want to know about shells, you write one :) | Oct 15 10:31 |
| cubexyz | ancient shells are quite interesting | Oct 15 10:37 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-v5-thompson-shell.c | Oct 15 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS 7 Linux OS Has Been Officially Released | Oct 15 10:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for the 32-Bit (i386) Architecture | Oct 15 10:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lCpe51MQGj (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 10:41 |
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| cubexyz | the old knowledge has really atrophied, I'm sorry to say | Oct 15 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS 7 Linux OS Has Been Officially Released for the 32-Bit (i386) Architecture | Tux Machines | Oct 15 10:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Arrive in the First Half | Oct 15 10:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Next Week, Says Canonical | Oct 15 10:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/KzAY9Nnf7n (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 10:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Arrive in the First Half of Next Week, Says Canonical | Tux Machines | Oct 15 10:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner’s | Oct 15 10:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Guide http://t.co/W0lIcY9mfw | Oct 15 10:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.sitepoint.com) | Oct 15 10:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sitepoint.com | Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner's Guide | Oct 15 10:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, | Oct 15 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Happy Birthday! http://t.co/TSGiYf13j8 | Oct 15 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi (linux.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 11:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dual-core, Cortex-A15 Sitara arrives with Linux | Oct 15 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Android http://t.co/yzvuUqm8ee | Oct 15 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Oct 15 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Dual-core, Cortex-A15 Sitara arrives with Linux and Android · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 15 11:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Six Updated Themes for the Moksha Desktop | Oct 15 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/BefSxoupFj (www.bodhilinux.com) | Oct 15 11:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bodhilinux.com | Six Updated Themes for the Moksha Desktop | Bodhi Linux | Oct 15 11:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Reynolds/status/654606093654605824 https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/654606407099154432 | Oct 15 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reynolds: @schestowitz @glynmoody '10,000 police officers'? What? | Oct 15 11:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @Reynolds @schestowitz surreal | Oct 15 11:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Summary: Flock to Fedora 2015 | Oct 15 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/uiMn7HUfdA (fedoramagazine.org) | Oct 15 12:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | In Summary: Flock to Fedora 2015 - Fedora Magazine | Oct 15 12:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 8 best free and open source inventory | Oct 15 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | management systems: how to save money and | Oct 15 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | improve service for your customers | Oct 15 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/D7Mf6dfcor (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 12:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 best free and open source inventory management systems: how to save money and improve service for your customers | Tux Machines | Oct 15 12:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally) | Oct 15 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | also Pepsi and some Business phone stats | Oct 15 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/bvbJWXdgsF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 12:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally) also Pepsi and some Business phone stats | Tux Machines | Oct 15 12:17 | |
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| cubexyz | PC Mag is such a crock of shit | Oct 15 12:38 |
| cubexyz | "de-gunk your PC's OS" | Oct 15 12:39 |
| cubexyz | I'm just not the target demographic | Oct 15 12:39 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 15 13:06 |
| MinceR | maybe you'll become that, as cancerd and launchd are forced everywhere :> | Oct 15 13:07 |
| cubexyz | isn't launchd a OS X thing? | Oct 15 13:11 |
| cubexyz | I'll never run that | Oct 15 13:11 |
| cubexyz | can't see OpenBSD ever using it | Oct 15 13:12 |
| MinceR | it's also being pushed into bsd | Oct 15 13:12 |
| cubexyz | there's no launchd in OpenBSD | Oct 15 13:14 |
| cubexyz | maybe FreeBSD | Oct 15 13:15 |
| cubexyz | haven't really looked at FreeBSD developments in quite a while | Oct 15 13:15 |
| MinceR | "next"bsd has it, hopefully it won't be merged into freebsd | Oct 15 13:16 |
| cubexyz | thanks for the warning | Oct 15 13:17 |
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| MinceR | http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/41069/hacking/control-mobile-phone-16-feet.html | Oct 15 15:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-securityaffairs.co | How to silently control a mobile phone from 16 Feet AwaySecurity Affairs [ http://ur1.ca/o15z0 ] | Oct 15 15:18 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/654619174468218880 | Oct 15 16:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Proof that RedHat has anything to do with that? #FUD | Oct 15 16:59 | |
| schestowitz | It is mostly Red Hat that funds #systemd development | Oct 15 16:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Smoothiefy/status/654644003040829440 | Oct 15 17:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Smoothiefy: @schestowitz #icann promotes corrupt registrars by lacking safeguards to protect consumers from domain name IP theft by registrar | Oct 15 17:00 | |
| schestowitz | Also enables abuse by efforts to take down domains (for various reasons, including purely bogus ones) #internet #icann #censorship | Oct 15 17:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Walmart decries cloud lock-in, plans to | Oct 15 17:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | open-source OneOps http://t.co/o6HzDRaQjP | Oct 15 17:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 17:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o176u | Oct 15 17:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Walmart decries cloud lock-in, plans to open-source OneOps | Tux Machines | Oct 15 17:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner’s | Oct 15 17:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Guide http://t.co/WYI20uwgqd | Oct 15 17:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 17:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o176w | Oct 15 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner’s Guide | Tux Machines | Oct 15 17:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/654701676910120960 | Oct 15 18:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Half of "Japanese" recipes in restaurants are in fact Japanised Western dishes. Tempura=deep-frying, tataki=barbecue... | Oct 15 18:00 | |
| msb_ | https://www.rt.com/shows/watching-the-hawks/318728-cia-black-sites-us/ " David Talbot talks about his new book, ‘The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government’ | Oct 15 18:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | CIA chronicles: Black sites & Allen Dulles’ legacy with David Talbot (E115) RT — Watching the Hawks [ http://ur1.ca/o17yz ] | Oct 15 18:01 | |
| msb_ | Talks about how Dulles helped smuggle Nazis to safety after WW2, overthrew many governments, plotted against the USSR, etc. | Oct 15 18:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jason4e/status/654450531314733056?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=547c58cb78dbc529c9dc31479bd8084fa1aa9501&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=c069650d0829458bb0af7e8d205aa1f5&autoactions=1444868140&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Oct 15 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jason4e: @fqxjv @schestowitz @AJVicens either way hope he likes Moscow. Get a jacket Punk! | Oct 15 18:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Can the Internet exist without Linux? | Oct 15 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/eQakpjd8cW (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o17zq | Oct 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | msb_: we are not talking about Nazis | Oct 15 18:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Can the Internet exist without Linux? | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:03 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: don't get started | Oct 15 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NASA Just Released the Massive VICAR Collection | Oct 15 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Apps as Open Source http://t.co/POQkiK8ny0 | Oct 15 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NASA Just Released the Massive VICAR Collection of Apps as Open Source | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch | Oct 15 18:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Store http://t.co/jbv1yecvIa | Oct 15 18:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 18:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch Store | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and a | Oct 15 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux learner bundle http://t.co/K7HyJz0B0d | Oct 15 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 18:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and a Linux learner bundle | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leap Release Candidate gets new office suite | Oct 15 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/3Yjm6YuqQ6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 18:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leap Release Candidate gets new office suite | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Can the Internet exist without Linux? | Oct 15 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/3cF0yd4RLz (www.zdnet.com) | Oct 15 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o182p | Oct 15 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Can the Internet exist without Linux? | ZDNet | Oct 15 18:09 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: I'm not "getting started", just posting a single link about an extremely informative show and book that talks about the _roots_ of our present situation. You post links to important info that isn't strictly tech. What is Microsoft, EPO, swpats, systemd, etc, if not corporate domination of the world with govt help? What is another word for govt alliance with corporations against the people? | Oct 15 18:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654705728192516097 | Oct 15 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Journalists afraid? | Oct 15 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | Topic brought to the #epo a legacy of suing people for years in his own country for libel (despite losing in court). SLAPP=>self censorship. | Oct 15 18:11 |
| schestowitz | msb_: you can keep quiet about OT here.. | Oct 15 18:13 |
| schestowitz | .just making a mockery of the site and the channel | Oct 15 18:13 |
| schestowitz | there are channels about politics | Oct 15 18:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ircolle/status/654705980249239552 | Oct 15 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ircolle: @schestowitz No. ;-) | Oct 15 18:14 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: What exactly is your definition of "politics"? Aren't SLAPP suits politics? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation | Oct 15 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Strategic lawsuit against public participation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/o185k ] | Oct 15 18:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654707527301500928 | Oct 15 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz I thought the uk was the libel tourist's destination of choice. | Oct 15 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | Even worse then for people like me and journalists who write >in English< about #epo #organisedCrime | Oct 15 18:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654707889366396928 | Oct 15 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz But no does outside Croatia? | Oct 15 18:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch | Oct 15 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Store http://t.co/tjONgUJTc4 | Oct 15 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch Store - Softpedia | Oct 15 18:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and a | Oct 15 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux learner bundle http://t.co/HdiofxMcx1 | Oct 15 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Oct 15 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Deal: score a VoCore Mini Linux Computer and a Linux Learner Bundle | Oct 15 18:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leap Release Candidate gets new office suite | Oct 15 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ozQEm2K1ee (news.opensuse.org) | Oct 15 18:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | openSUSE News | Oct 15 18:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HAProxy 1.6.0 released http://t.co/aNFgYuj1Kw | Oct 15 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.haproxy.com) | Oct 15 18:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.haproxy.com | What’s new in HAProxy 1.6 | HAProxy Technologies – Aloha Load Balancer | Oct 15 18:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is the KDE 5 desktop stable enough for normal | Oct 15 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | users? https://t.co/ac8merXNAi | Oct 15 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (btux1984.wordpress.com) no, wait until 2017 | Oct 15 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | maybe. | Oct 15 18:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-btux1984.wordpress.com | Is the KDE 5 desktop stable enough for normal users? | Ruberg's blog | Oct 15 18:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Blocks: Modularity Comes to Smartwatches | Oct 15 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/YbU8veQgh8 (www.linux.com) | Oct 15 18:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Blocks: Modularity Comes to Smartwatches | Linux.com | Oct 15 18:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Processor utilization difference between IBM | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | comparison http://t.co/CzuRvd5MTQ- | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.ibm.com) | Oct 15 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://t.co/CzuRvd5MTQ- ) | Oct 15 18:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Before the Echo comes to Mac and Linux with | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | literally no warning whatsoever | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ZmzaWiQwF9 (www.gamasutra.com) | Oct 15 18:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamasutra.com | Gamasutra - Press Releases - Before the Echo comes to Mac and Linux with literally no warning whatsoever | Oct 15 18:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines “We’ve seen basic researchers learning Linux | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and cloud computing to keep up with it all” | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/g4Ne7m3oez | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.sandiegouniontribune.com) | Oct 15 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sandiegouniontribune.com | Comet will be used by 10,000 investigators per year | SanDiegoUnionTribune.com | Oct 15 18:55 | |
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| schestowitz | Possibly just IBM 'marketing' in disguise https://joindiaspora.com/p/6707580 | Oct 15 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power... | Oct 15 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | Possibly just IBM 'marketing' in disguise https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6707580 | Oct 15 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-processor-utilization-difference-aix-lop-trs/index.html?ca=drs- #ibm #aix #linux #unix | Oct 15 18:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ibm.com | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison [ http://ur1.ca/o18o6 ] | Oct 15 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: is this believable? | Oct 15 19:00 |
| schestowitz | IBm benchmarks its proprietary/secret system | Oct 15 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Re: Fwd: TR: LogNo 2011/0338 -- Unauthorised Use of EPO Logo on the website www.unitary-patent.eu | Oct 15 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Excellent. Zoobab mentioned this briefly at the time, now I can do an article about it... | Oct 15 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Just got a scoop | Oct 15 19:13 |
| msb_ | Since AIX is secret it can easily contain code for optimizing performance on a particular benchmark. This has been done before. | Oct 15 19:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Crimp nasty privilege escalation bug by | Oct 15 19:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | running it in Linux instead says Rapid7" | Oct 15 19:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/pUMjems9Z6 (www.theregister.co.uk) | Oct 15 19:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | HP perfomance monitor can climb through Windows • The Register | Oct 15 19:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DFileManager: Cover Flow File Manager | Oct 15 19:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QHpoYsMt7t (gofk.tumblr.com) | Oct 15 19:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gofk.tumblr.com | gofk Blog — DFileManager: Cover Flow File Manager A real gem... | Oct 15 19:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Processor utilization difference between IBM | Oct 15 19:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple | Oct 15 19:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | comparison http://t.co/Z27wr0jFLK | Oct 15 19:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 19:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison | Tux Machines | Oct 15 19:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is open source killing end-to-end products? | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Q3TrhLU3TA (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 19:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is open source killing end-to-end products? | Tux Machines | Oct 15 19:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PHP 7.0 RC5 Released, PHP 7.0 In Under One | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Month http://t.co/EInCPp1zFj | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PHP 7.0 RC5 Released, PHP 7.0 In Under One Month | Tux Machines | Oct 15 19:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Syncloud: personal services device | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ye3XOXsJUX (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 19:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Syncloud: personal services device | Tux Machines | Oct 15 19:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Mutter 3.18.1 Brings Better HiDPI On | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wayland http://t.co/eOWFHXhqmX | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 19:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME's Mutter 3.18.1 Brings Better HiDPI On Wayland | Tux Machines | Oct 15 19:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Launches in India, | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Sale next week 21 October | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/5vaIG9xnzp (www.tizenexperts.com) | Oct 15 19:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Launches in India, On Sale next week 21 October - Tizen Experts | Oct 15 19:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone – Hands on Web | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Reviews http://t.co/nRXdVpu8i5 | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Oct 15 19:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Video] Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone - Hands on Web Reviews - Tizen Experts | Oct 15 19:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Medtronic's George, Red Hat's Whitehurst, | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Citrix's Lipson talk leadership in the C-Suite | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/anplWMHWNh (www.bizjournals.com) | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "left..Delta for Red Hat." | Oct 15 19:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | Medtronic's George, Red Hat's Whitehurst, Citrix's Lipson talk leadership - Triangle Business Journal | Oct 15 19:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Red Hat, Inc. will host the 2015 Government | Oct 15 20:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Symposium on Tuesday, November 10th" | Oct 15 20:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WDPigzlvhT (www.washingtonexec.com) | Oct 15 20:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonexec.com | 2015 Red Hat Government Symposium Set for November 10 | WashingtonExec | Oct 15 20:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LG begins rolling out Android 6.0 Marshmallow | Oct 15 20:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the G4 next week http://t.co/bPjafOLyNx | Oct 15 20:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.theverge.com) | Oct 15 20:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | LG begins rolling out Android 6.0 Marshmallow to the G4 next week | The Verge | Oct 15 20:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7 Of The Best Android Video Player Apps | Oct 15 20:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/omRts7Uu96 (tech.co) | Oct 15 20:04 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google’s Nexus Lineup Offers Better Security | Oct 15 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Among Android Phones: Cambridge Report | Oct 15 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Zp0wi5pggc (www.ibtimes.com) | Oct 15 20:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | Google’s Nexus Lineup Offers Better Security Among Android Phones: Cambridge Report | Oct 15 20:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry Priv Android Slider Smartphone Goes | Oct 15 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Up for Pre-Registration http://t.co/hOS3B231Wd | Oct 15 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (gadgets.ndtv.com) | Oct 15 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | BlackBerry Priv Android Slider Smartphone Goes Up for Pre-Registration | NDTV Gadgets360.com | Oct 15 20:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Now Launched in | Oct 15 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Moscow, Russia http://t.co/Hx946l2OVO | Oct 15 20:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Now Launched in Moscow, Russia - Tizen Experts | Oct 15 20:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Daily Deal: Linux Computer And Linux Learner | Oct 15 20:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bundle https://t.co/8sQb50eM2U | Oct 15 20:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techdirt.com) | Oct 15 20:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | Daily Deal: Linux Computer And Linux Learner Bundle | Techdirt | Oct 15 20:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow review | Oct 15 20:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/OIwSacDZKI (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 20:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android 6.0 Marshmallow review | Tux Machines | Oct 15 20:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen Leftovers http://t.co/256cavUdmM | Oct 15 20:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 15 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.iam-media.com/Blog/Detail.aspx?g=f9b020d4-57b8-41c1-97df-9db6edf3be20 | Oct 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | "Grant Philpott, principal director for information and communications technology at the European Patent Office (EPO), looked at the issue from a slightly different angle. While the number of filings handled by SIPO has shot through the roof in recent years - making it the world's largest patent office by volume – he noted that Chinese residents still constitute a conspicuously small proportion of applicants in foreign jurisdictions. "I am | Oct 15 20:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | A new approach to the reform debate; China's IP future; the European tide; and much more at IPBC Global Day 3 - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business [ http://ur1.ca/o1a5i ] | Oct 15 20:58 | |
| schestowitz | not so sure we will see a flood of Chinese patents coming our way any time soon," he forecast, suggesting that Chinese companies' relatively small patent holdings outside of their own country is perhaps indicative that they have some way to go in terms of IP sophistication. For Laura Quatela- head of IP at Alcatel-Lucent, as well as a member of the board at Technicolor – that implied that we will see even more of a phenomenon that has | Oct 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | become increasingly apparent over recent years: the acquisition of foreign patent assets by Chinese entities. (JE)" | Oct 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Two notoriously corrupt entities find common grounds. I think this necessitates WIPR coverage and do does my source http://techrights.org/2015/10/14/epo-against-patent-neutrality/ | Oct 15 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Says Crushing Patent Neutrality is a Good Thing® Because Authenticity of Self-Incriminating EPO Document Cannot be Denied | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o1b1c ] | Oct 15 22:08 | |
| schestowitz | oops, wrong link http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ | Oct 15 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Exclusive: Leaked E-mail From Grant Philpott (EPO Principal Telecommunications Director) Shows Collusion Between EPO and Microsoft to Prioritise Most Notorious Patent Bully, Microsoft | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o1b1r ] | Oct 15 22:08 | |
| schestowitz | Oops. Sent wrong link. This one: | Oct 15 22:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ | Oct 15 22:09 |
| schestowitz | I can defend all my claims there; been writing about these issues for over a decade and collected references... | Oct 15 22:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/pNEbCZP6gr | Oct 15 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Oct 15 22:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/3vP1j86nNZ | Oct 15 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 22:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Oct 15 22:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/654768463253102593 | Oct 15 22:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Two primes. Multiples of primes can be very useful. This is mindblowing: http://t.co/XYfc7OyNXL | Oct 15 22:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.newyorker.com | The Cicada’s Love Affair With Prime Numbers - The New Yorker | Oct 15 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | Prime number in a dating system would make division hard, except 3 week cycles and 7 day parts... | Oct 15 22:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/3vP1j86nNZ | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Oct 15 22:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Machines & The Steam Controller | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JOkO0TBeS9 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Oct 15 22:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam Machines & The Steam Controller | GamingOnLinux | Oct 15 22:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Says Ubuntu Phones Will Run Any Linux | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | App on Open Source OS http://t.co/Q5iZRwtsPG | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thevarguy.com) | Oct 15 22:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | Canonical Says Ubuntu Phones Will Run Any Linux App on Open Source OS | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy | Oct 15 22:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654783203496976384 | Oct 15 23:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Based on … drum rolls … http://t.co/mdqbmQFaaG :D | Oct 15 23:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Phones Will Run Any Linux Application on Top of Unity 8 - Softpedia | Oct 15 23:18 | |
| schestowitz | Nice to be the trend-setting media. Take these as a compliment. | Oct 15 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654783638303694850 | Oct 15 23:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Thank you ;) | Oct 15 23:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654783629038514176 | Oct 15 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: (Tories are dullest cards in your deck -- on the Island.) https://t.co/sBIseaX1zX | Oct 15 23:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I might, if time permits, return to writing about #drones this weekend. It's infuriating that Tories copied defunct #CIA policy >WHOLESALE<. | Oct 15 23:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654784517585022977 | Oct 15 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone hit with serious security | Oct 15 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz BTW, did you noticed a much smaller number of visitors lately? | Oct 15 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | vulnerability http://t.co/hzSOv5qYWM | Oct 15 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (betanews.com) http://t.co/1myCv8IYg3 | Oct 15 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Ubuntu Phone hit with serious security vulnerability | Oct 15 23:28 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Major Ubuntu Touch Exploit Is a Wake-up Call for Canonical - Softpedia | Oct 15 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam | Oct 15 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Machines & The Steam Controller | Oct 15 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/D7rH38fmZb (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | In general, in tux machines, in linux sites, softpedia? | Oct 15 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam Machines & The Steam Controller | Tux Machines | Oct 15 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/LbsrFu7BjT | Oct 15 23:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Oct 15 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/elFqVJXdcY | Oct 15 23:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 23:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Oct 15 23:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @MariusNestor @schestowitz On @tuxmachines yes. | Oct 15 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654786162662375425 | Oct 15 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz On @tuxmachines yes. | Oct 15 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | No, same as before (big increase since mid year), why? | Oct 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654786282548137984 | Oct 15 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Cards Against Humanity...? | Oct 15 23:31 | |
| schestowitz | Exactly. Ear-catching name. They did it! | Oct 15 23:32 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/LbsrFu7BjT' | Oct 15 23:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/LbsrFu7BjT' | Oct 15 23:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz @MariusNestor @tuxmachines No, same as before | Oct 15 23:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (big increase since mid year), why? | Oct 15 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654787296172969984 | Oct 15 23:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz I believe there's something strange lately on the Internet… like many people vanished, still our followers have increased… | Oct 15 23:34 | |
| schestowitz | Android became mainstream, desktop GNU/Linux doesn't enjoy the same following, not even Ubuntu anymore | Oct 15 23:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654787009878212608 | Oct 15 23:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Yes, but WHAT ? | Oct 15 23:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328 | Oct 15 23:48 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux stories almost never make it into front page of anything anymore. Reddit is famously astroturfed by Microsoft. | Oct 15 23:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328 | Oct 15 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328 | Oct 16 00:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Yeah, for that I need to write the story of the century :)) | Oct 16 00:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654787009878212608 | Oct 16 00:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Yes, but WHAT ? | Oct 16 00:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/654790908781596672 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/654791298293985281 https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/654737160549961728 | Oct 16 00:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just added a sentence to clarify that Philpott also pushes (even politically lobbies) for the #UPC http://t.co/aQJ2X3YGgs #microsoft #epo | Oct 16 00:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Exclusive: Leaked E-mail From Grant Philpott (EPO Principal Telecommunications Director) Shows Collusion Between EPO and Microsoft to Prioritise Most Notorious Patent Bully, Microsoft | Techrights | Oct 16 00:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@MariusNestor #GNU/#Linux stories almost never make it into front page of anything anymore. #Reddit is famously astroturfed by #Microsoft. | Oct 16 00:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NHAparty: NHS children's services in Bristol not handed to Virgin Care after anti-privatisation protest: http://t.co/IHmcaO0j7b via @BristolPost | Oct 16 00:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bristolpost.co.uk | NHS children's services in Bristol not handed to Virgin Care after anti-privatisation protest | Bristol Post | Oct 16 00:03 | |
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| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/submission/5101535/epo-admits-the-unitary-patent-is-all-about-software-patents | Oct 16 00:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | EPO admits the Unitary Patent is all about software patents - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/o1cme ] | Oct 16 00:11 | |
| schestowitz | "The European Patent Office (EPO) has recognised that the Unitary Patent Court will provide harmonisation across Europe on the issue of software patents. In a conference in London held few days ago, EPO’s Grant Philpott said "The UPC (Unitary Patent Court) will provide strong harmonisation in ICT applications that will play a dominant role in patent world". A recent leak by Techrights.org also shows that the EPO has been prioritizing | Oct 16 00:11 |
| schestowitz | patent applications for a few large non-European companies, such as Microsoft or Huawei. The leaked document and webpage is now made inacessible and filtered from the internet access within the EPO premises." | Oct 16 00:11 |
| cubexyz | it wouldn't surprise me at all that IBM AIX runs better than Linux on Power CPU | Oct 16 00:14 |
| cubexyz | they know everything about the POWER CPU, IBM made it | Oct 16 00:15 |
| cubexyz | just like icc (intel's c compiler) can optimize code on Intel CPU's better than gcc | Oct 16 00:15 |
| cubexyz | naturally intel knows more about their own CPUs | Oct 16 00:16 |
| cubexyz | just like IBM mainframes are better than PCs, their IO capability is a lot better | Oct 16 00:17 |
| MinceR | i've heard horror stories about how AIX does shared libraries, though | Oct 16 00:18 |
| cubexyz | AIX came out of the Unix Sys V and 4.3BSD, IBM combined ideas from both | Oct 16 00:20 |
| cubexyz | but it is closed source of course | Oct 16 00:20 |
| cubexyz | the big downside... IBM doesn't like giving out source code, unless it's for very old stuff | Oct 16 00:22 |
| cubexyz | SCO actually tried to revoke IBM's AIX license | Oct 16 00:27 |
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| cubexyz | AIX is expensive, you have to buy the software and hardware | Oct 16 00:30 |
| cubexyz | $85 per core, plus $299 per year for maintainance | Oct 16 00:30 |
| cubexyz | they do have a "low cost" option | Oct 16 00:32 |
| cubexyz | AIX Express Edition | Oct 16 00:32 |
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| cubexyz | probably AIX would have better uptimes than Linux | Oct 16 00:39 |
| cubexyz | more conservative programming, less untest code | Oct 16 00:39 |
| cubexyz | you're not going to have customers playing games on AIX | Oct 16 00:39 |
| cubexyz | better memory management too | Oct 16 00:40 |
| cubexyz | but the big downside remains: AIX is closed | Oct 16 00:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494 | Oct 16 00:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The nasty company that uses large-breasted women to market its #censorship -happy 'products': "workforce diversity"? http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/10/14/diversity-transparency-and-sharing-data-at-godaddy-ghc15/ | Oct 16 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | "From Silicon Angle. GoDaddy has a similar website, Silicone Angle." | Oct 16 00:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> siliconangle.com | Diversity, transparency and sharing data at GoDaddy | #GHC15 | SiliconANGLE [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0b ] | Oct 16 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <cubexyz> $85 per core, plus $299 per year for maintainance | Oct 16 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Meh | Oct 16 00:42 |
| schestowitz | More expensive than a whole new dual-core PC | Oct 16 00:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708459 | Oct 16 00:43 |
| schestowitz | "Windows it’s a crap!" | Oct 16 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Don't insult crap | Oct 16 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-upgrade-nags-become-more-aggressive-offer-no-opt-out/ #vista10 dirty tricks http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log | Oct 16 00:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0o ] | Oct 16 00:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ] | Oct 16 00:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708784 | Oct 16 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/653724738280386561 | Oct 16 00:43 | |
| schestowitz | "There's a Diaspora feed for Snowden Tweets btw." | Oct 16 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Snowden: An individual trying to limit speech at universities is interested in neither university nor justice. https://t.co/JHNEbIAfa3 | Oct 16 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | Where? | Oct 16 00:44 |
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| MinceR | https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/24/142 | Oct 16 01:26 |
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| cubexyz | The fact that that old guy switched over to Linux isn't too surprising | Oct 16 01:40 |
| cubexyz | Phd in Astrophysics? Taught at Universities? | Oct 16 01:40 |
| cubexyz | No wonder | Oct 16 01:40 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-progress-zero-percent.jpg | Oct 16 01:52 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-error-too-many-errors.jpg | Oct 16 01:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 16 01:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did you get it from my link? | Oct 16 02:04 |
| MinceR | probably | Oct 16 02:05 |
| schestowitz | it's only surfacing now.. | Oct 16 02:06 |
| schestowitz | bullied her husband too | Oct 16 02:06 |
| schestowitz | poor thing.. | Oct 16 02:06 |
| schestowitz | "It has a back door at OS level, so I think dual boot with Linux and encrypted file system would be the best bet" -me | Oct 16 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. Appreciated. | Oct 16 02:09 |
| schestowitz | context: "Any suggestions for decent drive encryption for windows 10? Obviously not using bitlocker and have been using programs to disable all the anti privacy crap that microsoft put into windows 10 but I would feel better if I had a good open source encryption program to use for both my laptop and external hard drive. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks." | Oct 16 02:09 |
| cubexyz | don't use windows 10 | Oct 16 02:11 |
| cubexyz | :) | Oct 16 02:11 |
| cubexyz | what is wrong with people, does Bill Gates have their balls in an iron grip? | Oct 16 02:13 |
| cubexyz | metaphorically speaking | Oct 16 02:13 |
| schestowitz | some people need information and courage | Oct 16 02:16 |
| schestowitz | introduce them to gnu/linux | Oct 16 02:16 |
| schestowitz | or even chromebooks | Oct 16 02:16 |
| schestowitz | or android | Oct 16 02:16 |
| schestowitz | it'll help them realise they don't NEED windows | Oct 16 02:16 |
| schestowitz | i got my mom using android for most things | Oct 16 02:16 |
| MinceR | some people apparently like the design flaws winblows is built on | Oct 16 02:16 |
| cubexyz | I don't think the users like the flaws | Oct 16 02:17 |
| schestowitz | (side story, and one I don't mind sharing publicly, the other week I opened her android tablet and was horrified to find closed tabs in chrome that were pr0nograph..... ewwww) | Oct 16 02:17 |
| MinceR | yesterday one of them zealously defended that broken kind of thinking | Oct 16 02:18 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: they don't know of the flaws | Oct 16 02:18 |
| schestowitz | also about privacy violations in the Net | Oct 16 02:18 |
| schestowitz | drpizza is not around now | Oct 16 02:18 |
| MinceR | not on this channel, i mean :) | Oct 16 02:18 |
| schestowitz | today he sort of defended Microsoft force-feeding vista 10 | Oct 16 02:18 |
| schestowitz | he quotes Micfrosoft | Oct 16 02:19 |
| schestowitz | they frame it as "accident" | Oct 16 02:19 |
| schestowitz | the accident is that they got caught, I guess... | Oct 16 02:19 |
| cubexyz | who is drpizza? | Oct 16 02:19 |
| schestowitz | and got negative press for it | Oct 16 02:19 |
| schestowitz | MS Peter | Oct 16 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Peter brights | Oct 16 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Arse 'Tech'ni-kaka | Oct 16 02:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://grep.be/blog//en/life/debian/On_Planet_Debian_and_the_Code_of_Conduct/ | Oct 16 02:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-grep.be | On Planet Debian and the Code of Conduct [ http://ur1.ca/o1e9j ] | Oct 16 02:23 | |
| schestowitz | no free speech in debian? | Oct 16 02:23 |
| MinceR | they don't need any | Oct 16 02:23 |
| MinceR | you don't need to speak to do redcrap's bidding, after all | Oct 16 02:24 |
| MinceR | also, SJWs are for censorship, not free speech | Oct 16 02:24 |
| cubexyz | there pretty much is free speech on the internet | Oct 16 02:25 |
| cubexyz | at least, I can't think of many counter-examples | Oct 16 02:25 |
| cubexyz | maybe not China or North Korea though | Oct 16 02:25 |
| cubexyz | I'm more worried about systemd creeping up on me | Oct 16 02:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/216361-vint-cerf-hundreds-of-researchers-call-on-fcc-to-mandate-open-source-router-firmware | Oct 16 02:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.extremetech.com | Vint Cerf, hundreds of researchers, call on FCC to mandate open-source router firmware | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/o1ebs ] | Oct 16 02:28 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: no free speech here | Oct 16 02:29 |
| schestowitz | in canada? maybe... | Oct 16 02:29 |
| schestowitz | can't think offhand of MAJOR censorship | Oct 16 02:29 |
| schestowitz | not even under harper | Oct 16 02:29 |
| schestowitz | but in europe? | Oct 16 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Ha | Oct 16 02:29 |
| schestowitz | France.... see their censorship policy | Oct 16 02:29 |
| schestowitz | UK... lots | Oct 16 02:29 |
| schestowitz | techrights is now banned by EPO | Oct 16 02:29 |
| cubexyz | banned? | Oct 16 02:30 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I am forced into systemd | Oct 16 02:30 |
| schestowitz | it reminds me of windows when it starts | Oct 16 02:30 |
| schestowitz | nothing onscreen | Oct 16 02:30 |
| schestowitz | until the x/wayland session starts | Oct 16 02:31 |
| schestowitz | all opaque | Oct 16 02:31 |
| cubexyz | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | Oct 16 02:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-without-systemd.org | Without Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/mvnix ] | Oct 16 02:31 | |
| cubexyz | I'm always checking that site | Oct 16 02:31 |
| cubexyz | I've also stockpiled all the Fedoras up to version 14 | Oct 16 02:32 |
| cubexyz | I have slackware 12.1, various openbsd boxes... | Oct 16 02:32 |
| schestowitz | thankfully we're a safe haven for free speech | Oct 16 02:33 |
| schestowitz | including unpleasant (to some) speech | Oct 16 02:33 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: SJWs are in cahoots with redcrap/cancerd | Oct 16 02:33 |
| cubexyz | AntiX and Q4OS are derived from Debian Wheezy | Oct 16 02:33 |
| cubexyz | Vector Linux should be OK as well | Oct 16 02:33 |
| cubexyz | one should be able to avoid systemd with some care | Oct 16 02:34 |
| cubexyz | yes, things are still somewhat opaque due to closed source BIOS | Oct 16 02:34 |
| cubexyz | it is a pity about Redhat and Fedora, but I still run FC1 and a few older ones | Oct 16 02:35 |
| cubexyz | The SysV world isn't dead by any means | Oct 16 02:37 |
| cubexyz | there's OpenIndiana | Oct 16 02:38 |
| cubexyz | I definitely hope slackware doesn't go systemd but if worst comes to worst, there's openbsd | Oct 16 02:41 |
| cubexyz | Volkerding is worried he might be _forced_ to go systemd | Oct 16 02:41 |
| cubexyz | you might even say that Slackware has more in common with BSD than Linux (in some ways) | Oct 16 02:43 |
| cubexyz | and I guess there's Devuan | Oct 16 02:44 |
| cubexyz | if you care about Unix Philosophy and Unix principles then you might have to go BSD, hopefully not but we will see | Oct 16 02:45 |
| cubexyz | what it looks like is that Slackware will release 14.2 if they haven't already done so | Oct 16 02:47 |
| cubexyz | ok, one more thing about AntiX... | Oct 16 02:51 |
| cubexyz | AntiX will not be following Debian with the implmentation of systemd and so sysvinit to continue to be the default init system | Oct 16 02:52 |
| MinceR | what will they do with the next distro release? | Oct 16 02:52 |
| cubexyz | just don't install Gnome 3 on AntiX | Oct 16 02:54 |
| cubexyz | http://sourceforge.net/projects/antix-linux/files/ | Oct 16 02:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | antiX-Linux - Browse Files at SourceForge.net [ http://ur1.ca/o1elm ] | Oct 16 02:54 | |
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| cubexyz | http://all-things-linux.blogspot.ca/2015/06/looking-for-alternatives-to-systemd.html | Oct 16 02:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-all-things-linux.blogspot.ca | Linux, BSD, and everything else...: Looking for Alternatives to Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/o1ema ] | Oct 16 02:56 | |
| cubexyz | for old hardware, I still would say go OpenBSD | Oct 16 02:57 |
| cubexyz | slackware never used pam or pulseaudio | Oct 16 02:58 |
| cubexyz | anyways, all the usual choices are there... slackware derivatives, plus Void and some other ones | Oct 16 02:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/URZkgcrrAM | Oct 16 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 16 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1eob | Oct 16 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 16 03:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Devices http://t.co/0LCJOURXel | Oct 16 03:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 16 03:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1eof | Oct 16 03:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Devices | Tux Machines | Oct 16 03:02 | |
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| cubexyz | rm | Oct 16 03:50 |
| MinceR | -rf | Oct 16 03:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/RrVTCIAAMU | Oct 16 04:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 16 04:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1fj6 | Oct 16 04:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Oct 16 04:10 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines too | Oct 16 04:10 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines too | Oct 16 04:11 | |
| cubexyz | Windows 10 is not compatible with 2nd gen i3/i5/i7 processors with internal graphics - it causes many BSOD and various system problems after about 30-90 minutes usage | Oct 16 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Firefox 41.0.2 Hotfix to Fix a | Oct 16 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | High Impact Issue, Update Now | Oct 16 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/TJuF31RHFk (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 16 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1fl4 | Oct 16 04:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Releases Firefox 41.0.2 Hotfix to Fix a High Impact Issue, Update Now | Tux Machines | Oct 16 04:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone Users Will Receive an OTA-6 Hotfix | Oct 16 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Patch a Security Vulnerability | Oct 16 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lHvWMUaVXn (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 16 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1fl7 | Oct 16 04:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Phone Users Will Receive an OTA-6 Hotfix to Patch a Security Vulnerability | Tux Machines | Oct 16 04:15 | |
| MinceR | fun | Oct 16 04:16 |
| MinceR | then again, that sort of stuff is business as usual on winblows | Oct 16 04:16 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494 | Oct 16 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The nasty company that uses large-breasted women to market its #censorship -happy 'products': "workforce diversity"? http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/10/14/diversity-transparency-and-sharing-data-at-godaddy-ghc15/ | Oct 16 06:52 | |
| schestowitz | "…with a CEO fond of hunting endangered species." | Oct 16 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> siliconangle.com | Diversity, transparency and sharing data at GoDaddy | #GHC15 | SiliconANGLE [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0b ] | Oct 16 06:52 | |
| schestowitz | Iraqis? | Oct 16 06:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697205 | Oct 16 06:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Best Web Browsers for the Linux Desktop http://www.datamation.com/open-source/best-web-browsers-for-the-linux-desktop.html #gnu #linux #www | Oct 16 06:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.datamation.com | Best Web Browsers for the Linux Desktop - Datamation [ http://ur1.ca/o038j ] | Oct 16 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | "has happened to me on several occasions: comment state ambiguity" | Oct 16 06:53 |
| schestowitz | "I use several browsers, too. I have a particularly slutty chrome for shopping, which I flush out after use, and for researching and socnetting I have iceweasel with all the bells and whistles (for privacy), and I check in to my snoopy and ancient Yahoo account currently with opera developer which is smooth, but a little hard to monitor for security… arora is good at spoofing explorer or safari if the need arises…" | Oct 16 06:53 |
| schestowitz | [03:50] <cubexyz> rm | Oct 16 06:53 |
| schestowitz | [03:54] <MinceR> -rf | Oct 16 06:53 |
| schestowitz | /: | Oct 16 06:54 |
| cubexyz | ok... | Oct 16 07:01 |
| cubexyz | alias rm='rm -iv' | Oct 16 07:01 |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: "techrights is now banned by EPO" Banned in what way? | Oct 16 07:13 |
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| schestowitz | site blocked | Oct 16 07:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654905933055836160 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654906208290238464 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654906413878153216 | Oct 16 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: RT'ing this because it shows in further detail just how corrupt the EPO is. As for MSFT, not endorsing vilification. https://t.co/IeyTkpJ12d | Oct 16 07:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody @FOSSpatents #microsoft and the #epo - two notoriously corrupt entities find common grounds http://t.co/aQJ2X3YGgs | Oct 16 07:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: Re. previous RT: @schestowitz and I don't have the same perspective on the current MSFT. We more or less agree re. the old MSFT under Gates. | Oct 16 07:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: Unlike @schestowitz, who thinks MSFT has always been evil, I believe MSFT has gone from immoral to amoral. Almost all companies are amoral. | Oct 16 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654911695127748608 | Oct 16 07:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @Ipkat @schestowitz An English translation of this Dutch article about the suspended BoA member may be interesting: http://t.co/v3fWoLstNJ | Oct 16 07:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fd.nl | Hoge medewerker saboteerde Europees octrooibureau | Het Financieele Dagblad | Oct 16 07:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494 | Oct 16 07:56 |
| schestowitz | "Those, too." | Oct 16 07:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/godaddy-ceo-videotapes-himself-killing-an-elephant-2011-3 | Oct 16 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | GoDaddy CEO Videotapes Himself Killing An Elephant - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/o1iaz ] | Oct 16 07:56 | |
| schestowitz | "Grateful that I got out with the boycott and moved to a combination of NameCheap and selfhosting (with ArkOS years ago." | Oct 16 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I inherited a domain from godaddy and quit them quickly... they're not a bad service, just immoral. I do the same when it comes to Walmart (ASDA in the UK). If only more did like me.... | Oct 16 07:57 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Where is techrights blocked? Within the EPO offices? I can see it in California. | Oct 16 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494 | Oct 16 08:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 16 08:20 |
| cubexyz | ha, that's naive | Oct 16 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Even morality aside, the number of upsells / cross sells / promotions is just… extreme. It can take 10 minutes to check out an order for a simple domain renewal, and even then you have to be careful that you unselected all of the added-by-default extra (for pay) services like “business registration”. | Oct 16 08:20 |
| schestowitz | No other domain registrar I know makes things this slow and difficult. | Oct 16 08:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 16 08:20 |
| schestowitz | msb_: yes, in all EPO offices | Oct 16 08:20 |
| cubexyz | at best Microsoft is pretending to be amoral | Oct 16 08:20 |
| cubexyz | just read some of those confidential emails and tell yourself Microsoft isn't evil | Oct 16 08:22 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: That will probably insure that all personnel will read it at home! | Oct 16 08:22 |
| cubexyz | M$ wants to make certain everyone continually pays them money without end | Oct 16 08:22 |
| cubexyz | the end user is reduced in status to a plebeian who pays taxes but has no power at all | Oct 16 08:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 16 08:24 |
| schestowitz | "If you do not receive the invoice 1 week before the expiry date, please contact us to request the renewal." | Oct 16 08:24 |
| schestowitz | Can you please confirm this will be done (less than a week left now)? :-) | Oct 16 08:24 |
| schestowitz | "Your domain will be due for renewal in the next few weeks, please note you do not need to take any action at present. We will automatically raise the renewal invoice on your billing account a few days before and you will be emailed separately regarding this." | Oct 16 08:24 |
| schestowitz | A renewal for 2 years (default) would be fine. thank you. :-) | Oct 16 08:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 16 08:24 |
| schestowitz | [08:22] <msb_> schestowitz: That will probably insure that all personnel will read it at home! | Oct 16 08:24 |
| schestowitz | or their mobile phones (on 3/4g, not wifi) | Oct 16 08:25 |
| schestowitz | (at work) | Oct 16 08:25 |
| schestowitz | which is exactly what this blocking has achieved, it's ineffective | Oct 16 08:25 |
| cubexyz | I have heard that dot.tk gives free domain names | Oct 16 08:26 |
| cubexyz | techrights.tk wouldn't be too bad :) | Oct 16 08:27 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: ms paid hi | Oct 16 08:29 |
| schestowitz | him=florian | Oct 16 08:29 |
| schestowitz | and they might pay again, so he plays it like a businessman | Oct 16 08:29 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, but for how long? | Oct 16 08:29 |
| schestowitz | one time tim from techbytes registered it | Oct 16 08:29 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: https://web.archive.org/web/20110627205958/http://nodaddy.com/ | Oct 16 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | NoDaddy.Com - Exposing the Many Reasons Not to Trust GoDaddy with Your Domain Names [ http://ur1.ca/o1ip9 ] | Oct 16 08:29 | |
| schestowitz | people needn't get accustomed to accessing this way | Oct 16 08:29 |
| schestowitz | in case you stop the domain entry | Oct 16 08:30 |
| schestowitz | I have techrights dot COM | Oct 16 08:30 |
| cubexyz | they say you can have unlimited renewals | Oct 16 08:30 |
| schestowitz | but it links to same IP | Oct 16 08:30 |
| schestowitz | hence the filters will pick it up at EPO | Oct 16 08:30 |
| schestowitz | and they can always had more domains/aliases | Oct 16 08:30 |
| schestowitz | it's not that simple | Oct 16 08:30 |
| cubexyz | piratebay does the same thing | Oct 16 08:30 |
| schestowitz | THAT SAID... | Oct 16 08:30 |
| schestowitz | I saw internally... | Oct 16 08:30 |
| cubexyz | they have many domains :) | Oct 16 08:30 |
| schestowitz | That some access the site via GOOGLE CACHE | Oct 16 08:30 |
| schestowitz | which makes me appreciative of Google | Oct 16 08:30 |
| schestowitz | I also salvaged some deleted pages for people from Google Cache | Oct 16 08:31 |
| schestowitz | it also also be used for bad | Oct 16 08:31 |
| schestowitz | when one tries to hide something | Oct 16 08:31 |
| schestowitz | or changes text to brush something out | Oct 16 08:31 |
| cubexyz | I'm going to grab cubeman.tk while I can, may as well | Oct 16 08:31 |
| schestowitz | if the Google cache isn't too old, or not just taken (snapshot) | Oct 16 08:31 |
| schestowitz | also .tk domain would probably just link to another domain | Oct 16 08:32 |
| schestowitz | and not serve as an alias | Oct 16 08:32 |
| schestowitz | it's funny that people would use TK to circumvent censorship | Oct 16 08:32 |
| cubexyz | I think it just links to a numeric ip | Oct 16 08:32 |
| schestowitz | I mean, come on, TK? | Oct 16 08:32 |
| schestowitz | !google turkey censorship | Oct 16 08:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Censorship in Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Turkey | Oct 16 08:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Internet censorship in Turkey | Internet Policy Review | http://policyreview.info/articles/analysis/internet-censorship-turkey | Oct 16 08:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 10 Facts About Censorship In Turkey - Business Insider | http://www.businessinsider.com/10-facts-about-censorship-in-turkey-2014-3 | Oct 16 08:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Internet censorship reaching dangerous levels in Turkey | http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_internet-censorship-reaching-dangerous-levels-in-turkey_393727.html | Oct 16 08:32 |
| schestowitz | we once thought about taking techrights.ca | Oct 16 08:33 |
| schestowitz | but what purpose for? | Oct 16 08:33 |
| schestowitz | At the time, domains were up for the picking by censors | Oct 16 08:33 |
| schestowitz | and a CA suffix was seen as safer | Oct 16 08:33 |
| schestowitz | .org and .com are US | Oct 16 08:33 |
| cubexyz | ah I see | Oct 16 08:33 |
| schestowitz | and the US has more power over them, legally | Oct 16 08:33 |
| schestowitz | Harper doesn't seem any safer | Oct 16 08:33 |
| schestowitz | nor Tories | Oct 16 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Tories... | Oct 16 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Cameron | Oct 16 08:34 |
| schestowitz | so co.uk not much safer, either | Oct 16 08:34 |
| schestowitz | at least .org makes it clear it's not some business | Oct 16 08:34 |
| cubexyz | a business can have org if it wants | Oct 16 08:34 |
| cubexyz | I think they dropped that a while ago | Oct 16 08:34 |
| schestowitz | yeah, but what for? | Oct 16 08:34 |
| schestowitz | like vanity plates | Oct 16 08:35 |
| cubexyz | different nameservers, could be safer | Oct 16 08:35 |
| cubexyz | if one nameserver stops working, your other domain is probably still OK | Oct 16 08:35 |
| cubexyz | ok, cubeman.tk is working :) | Oct 16 08:36 |
| cubexyz | it appears that tk uses nameservers based in the Netherlands | Oct 16 08:37 |
| schestowitz | so if you give people this address, you need to keep it forever | Oct 16 08:44 |
| schestowitz | http://openbytes.tk | Oct 16 08:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openbytes.tk | openbytes.tk | Oct 16 08:44 | |
| schestowitz | see what happened there? | Oct 16 08:45 |
| schestowitz | Used to link to TIm's blog | Oct 16 08:45 |
| schestowitz | now wants to run some JS on my PC (I block it) | Oct 16 08:45 |
| cubexyz | just use virtual hosts | Oct 16 08:46 |
| cubexyz | set the document root to whatever you want | Oct 16 08:46 |
| cubexyz | e.g. | Oct 16 08:47 |
| cubexyz | <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName www.cubeman.tk ServerAlias cubeman.tk DocumentRoot /var/www/maxhost/cubeman </VirtualHost> | Oct 16 08:47 |
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| cubexyz | some folks like owning com, net and org | Oct 16 08:52 |
| cubexyz | I was offered cubeman.com but I didn't bother | Oct 16 08:53 |
| cubexyz | http://openbytes.tk took me to a survey :-/ | Oct 16 09:01 |
| cubexyz | ah, ok... you mentioned that | Oct 16 09:01 |
| cubexyz | yeah, you've have to renew it but renewals are free | Oct 16 09:02 |
| schestowitz | for now... | Oct 16 09:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/meneer/status/654935383055147008 | Oct 16 09:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@meneer: @schestowitz I would love to try, but today my time is too limited :-/ | Oct 16 09:24 | |
| schestowitz | No urgency, I just want to publish it in English in Techrights to help support the staff in Holland... giving them a voice | Oct 16 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708459 | Oct 16 09:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-upgrade-nags-become-more-aggressive-offer-no-opt-out/ #vista10 dirty tricks http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log | Oct 16 09:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0o ] | Oct 16 09:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ] | Oct 16 09:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Not crap, its spyware. They need as much as possible spy-bots in every home. Worldwar 3 is coming." | Oct 16 09:51 |
| schestowitz | PC botnet/zombie apocalypse | Oct 16 09:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/654942730926301184 | Oct 16 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz I am in there as well. | Oct 16 09:55 | |
| schestowitz | I think I will root my BT routers (I have 4)... just for the sake of it... | Oct 16 09:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654943349766418440 | Oct 16 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz my father said that once. I offered to share his email and passwords of his biz, publicly on the net. Changed his tune quickly. | Oct 16 09:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6709718 | Oct 16 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Whoever leaked the #drone documents may deserve a Nobel prize (for peace). Helps defend claims of whistleblowers like https://twitter.com/backavar | Oct 16 10:04 | |
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| msb_ | "Whoever leaked the #drone documents may deserve a Nobel prize (for peace)." Too late. The prize was already given to the guy who's _using_ the drones to murder dozens of people at a time in apartment blocks, wedding parties, hospitals, etc. | Oct 16 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > It’s ,.... is putting together the article for publication this afternoon, so any help with the original PDF would be appreciated. | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > Regards, | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for deciding to highlight this issue (we share a common pain here). Here is the PDF for your eyes only, not for publication (so as to protect the source). Let me know if there's anything else you need. | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Best regards, | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Roy | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | msb_not the latest such prize | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654983358074724352 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654983767635959808 | Oct 16 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz It's an age old stigma....but agree the Troll hysteria impacted. I support vast majority of misunderstood NPE activity 1/2 | Oct 16 12:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz Have you noticed who are throwing brickbats at lawyers acting for NPES? Some NPEs were once SMEs with potential until they died | Oct 16 12:35 | |
| schestowitz | Not the big NPEs which I know of | Oct 16 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Think Acacia, Int. Ven., MOSAID, Ray Niro, Erich S. and so on | Oct 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks Roy! This is incredible stuff and proves what we knew--the EPO | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > has a cosy relationship with Microsoft. I spoke with my edifor and he | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > said we'd rather do a bit more digging into the issue first before | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > publishing something on it. | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > Today, the EPO directed us to a comminique from the AC that it will not | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > overried article 23 of the EPC in dismissing a member of the EBA. They | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > still think the member should be dismissed. Story should be up shortly | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > and I will send you a link. | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, I will help circulate the finding when it's published (give me a headsup). IAM is going to write about it this afternoon (I just send them some docs)... | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654984467568807937 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654984726072205312 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985178448855041 | Oct 16 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz The ones who have been fed by the PAEs who now complain about NPEs? Hypocrisy does not even come close. It's a broad church 1/2 | Oct 16 12:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz But for many reasons I am pro NPE but very anti bottom feeding Troll. Problem is there are 101 agendas in what should be simple | Oct 16 12:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz All the same yet so different. The biggest "Patent Troll" is now a University apparently. Don't you see how pointless this is? | Oct 16 12:41 | |
| schestowitz | I am against transfers of patents (sales). They shouldn't be viewed as tangible or property. | Oct 16 12:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985602257936384 | Oct 16 12:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz It's a debate about global weather from a town perspective. Largely pointless and futile. There will always be differences. | Oct 16 12:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985868588003328 | Oct 16 12:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz We should not react to the external forces but simply focus on core values and get back to basics on purpose of patent system. | Oct 16 12:44 | |
| schestowitz | Clearly, as we both appear to agree, the EPO got things wrong, in numerous ways, except mistreatment of staff | Oct 16 12:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654986405848985600 | Oct 16 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz 180 degrees. The No 1 issue is liquidity of IP and reward for creation. If have no right to transfer/ability to use why bother? | Oct 16 12:45 | |
| schestowitz | Can assert is for defensive purposes while still having the potential to bring value to market, not just destroy | Oct 16 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Can assert it for defensive purposes while still having the potential to bring value to market, not just destroy | Oct 16 12:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654986684287852544 | Oct 16 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz From this perspective individual creativity and reward is dead ergo no innovation. Plays into hands of status quo | Oct 16 12:46 | |
| schestowitz | people innovate even without patents (see Free software movement), like musicians are creative irrespective of (C)/$ | Oct 16 12:47 |
| schestowitz | > As discussed on Twitter can you send me the PDF of the Grant Philpott email as I’d like to link to it in the report I am putting together. | Oct 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Here is the PDF (please don't publish, for your eyes only), in case of meta/watermarking that jeopardises the source... | Oct 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654993323988537345 | Oct 16 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz This is key not all creation and innovation sits in same box. U2 did not file patents to protect The Joshua Tree. | Oct 16 13:14 | |
| schestowitz | Depends on domains too. Patents, copyright , TM separate. Same situation/breakdown for different domains, e.g. software | Oct 16 13:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654993845567037440 | Oct 16 13:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz They did not have too. How do you secure reward for a cure for cancer? | Oct 16 13:16 | |
| schestowitz | I am against software patents (primarily), I am not against patents as a whole | Oct 16 13:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654994967790755840 | Oct 16 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz I have concerns about software patents.......but also inability of system to effectively reward software innovation. Difficult. | Oct 16 13:23 | |
| schestowitz | Copyrights do this, and they're cheap ($0) | Oct 16 13:24 |
| schestowitz | The notion of "software innovation" often thrown around by people who never wrote a computer program. No breakthroughs, math. | Oct 16 13:25 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/RFsCMC3.jpg | Oct 16 13:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TechJournalist/status/655002055053090816 https://twitter.com/emorisse/status/655002310553247744 https://twitter.com/TechJournalist/status/655002537536393216 | Oct 16 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TechJournalist: @schestowitz actual press release doesn’t put the @ansible deal at $100M - (so don’t believe everything you read) http://t.co/9OKLwDSqR4 | Oct 16 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.redhat.com | Red Hat to Acquire IT Automation and DevOps Leader Ansible | Red Hat | Oct 16 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emorisse: @TechJournalist @schestowitz if you’re interested in the thinking behind @redhatnews acquisition of @ansible http://t.co/ERQvChXtUE | Oct 16 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.redhat-cloudstrategy.com | Why did Red Hat acquire Ansible? | Cloud Strategy Blog | Oct 16 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TechJournalist: @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible umm no. Given that nearly every @RedHatNews user i know uses Puppet / makes little sense. | Oct 16 14:08 | |
| schestowitz | Our clients use puppet on debian | Oct 16 14:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/655004933192830976 https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/655005214894903296 | Oct 16 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz I missread your tweet, I thought you were linking KDE moving to logind to some RH pressure. 1/2 | Oct 16 14:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Oh and BTW, suse and canonical are also funding systemd development, they both have employees working on the code… | Oct 16 14:09 | |
| schestowitz | yes, but fewer | Oct 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/655006911650242560 | Oct 16 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: IPKat: EPO Admin Council says no to Battistelli & yes to the rule of law http://t.co/QwDvgcX6et good headline by @Ipkat cc: @schestowitz | Oct 16 14:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> ipkitten.blogspot.de | The IPKat: EPO AC says no to Battistelli & yes to the rule of law | Oct 16 14:10 | |
| schestowitz | WIPR and IAM to have EPO articles this afternoon | Oct 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sparkycollier/status/655007728411111424 | Oct 16 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sparkycollier: @TechJournalist @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews fwiw I've talked to a lot of Openstack users who love Ansible in the mix. | Oct 16 14:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/emorisse/status/655007951984447488 | Oct 16 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emorisse: @sparkycollier @TechJournalist @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews I’m glad to hear it! We’re excited! | Oct 16 14:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/robynbergeron/status/655008672729272320 | Oct 16 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@robynbergeron: @sparkycollier @TechJournalist @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews http://t.co/x9TOTtZUVi is just a preview :) | Oct 16 14:16 | |
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| schestowitz | I'm just trying to understand what's >really< happening | Oct 16 14:16 |
| schestowitz | <p><span class="pullQuote" style="width:200px">""</span> | Oct 16 14:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sparkycollier/status/655009882983165952 | Oct 16 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sparkycollier: @schestowitz @robynbergeron @TechJournalist @emorisse @ansible @RedHatNews I don't claim to know that :) | Oct 16 14:21 | |
| schestowitz | I am >HAPPY< that Ansible >officially< nets Red Hat's umbrella, but $100m figure is BS | Oct 16 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.iam-media.com/blog/Detail.aspx?g=0b8ffc2c-3a2a-49d7-ac0f-2d94d4a23ffd | Oct 16 15:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Pilot project with Microsoft and other big filers will directly help SMEs, not hinder them, says EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business | Oct 16 15:42 | |
| schestowitz | "The memo was originally published on the TechDirt website run by Dr Roy Schestowitz – a long-time and highly vocal critic of the EPO, and a campaigner against software patents. He claimed it showed the EPO “is tossing aside patent applications of small European companies and instead researching, under pressure and in a rush (hence unlikely to find adequate prior art) for large foreign corporations”. Schestowitz subsequently published | Oct 16 15:42 |
| schestowitz | a further memo, this time from Grant Philpott (no relation to Jeremy), principal director of the office’s main information and communication technology area, which talks of the “closer cooperation” with Microsoft." | Oct 16 15:42 |
| schestowitz | techDirt? | Oct 16 15:42 |
| schestowitz | PJ made this mistake too | Oct 16 15:42 |
| schestowitz | calling techrights techdirt | Oct 16 15:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/6550300699377541127 | Oct 16 15:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID. | Oct 16 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/655030069937754112 | Oct 16 15:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @FOSSpatents @TangibleIP_ @schestowitz FYI ... http://t.co/kRYJxuWTmn | Oct 16 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655038528557051904 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655038817561350144 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655039051918155777 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655039900518100992 | Oct 16 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz Not that reassuring for smaller corporate filers with in-house attorneys or small advisor firms. 1/2 | Oct 16 16:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz I think it's time for serious analytics and transparency. At the USPTO I can check performance. 2/2 | Oct 16 16:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz It's all very well making a formal complaint but many are recticent to do so for obviosu reasons. | Oct 16 16:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz I doubt Microsoft was threatening to use KIPO on quality basis. They want speed just like SMEs. | Oct 16 16:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655039541804474368 | Oct 16 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz The observations on competition are interesting. Quality is not the issue....its quantity. 1/2 | Oct 16 16:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655040962511642625 | Oct 16 16:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz One more point on this topic. Microsoft should be encoiraged to use USPTO for PCT and not swamp EPO | Oct 16 16:22 | |
| schestowitz | I will quote you on that later | Oct 16 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/655052604007960576 | Oct 16 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Who do you include under "they"? | Oct 16 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | EPO suits | Oct 16 17:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655052618029473792 | Oct 16 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents Let's be fair about this. It's not just Microsoft. | Oct 16 17:09 | |
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| schestowitz | I am in the process of preparing a third (for today) article about the EPO. You can find all those articles in the front page of the blog once I finish that last (longer) article... | Oct 16 17:30 |
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| lirodon | PC does WHAAAAT? is the dumbest thing I've ever seen | Oct 16 17:46 |
| schestowitz | PC? | Oct 16 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Personal Computer? | Oct 16 18:56 |
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| msb_ | https://plus.google.com/+otakarschon/posts Translation from Czech: Intel, Microsoft and computer manufacturers launches campaign "PC knows what?" Why? | Oct 16 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | Otakar Schön - Google+ | Oct 16 19:07 | |
| msb_ | But the picture says "PC DOES WHAAAT?! | Oct 16 19:09 |
| msb_ | http://tech.ihned.cz/pocitace/c1-64752760-pc-dokaze-co-reklamni-kampan-pc-prumyslu-co-je-s-pc-spatne | Oct 16 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.ihned.cz | Intel, Microsoft a vrobci pota spout zoufalou prodejn kampa [ http://ur1.ca/o1rby ] | Oct 16 19:12 | |
| msb_ | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cs&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftech.ihned.cz%2Fpocitace%2Fc1-64752760-pc-dokaze-co-reklamni-kampan-pc-prumyslu-co-je-s-pc-spatne&edit-text= | Oct 16 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [ http://ur1.ca/o1rdm ] | Oct 16 19:14 | |
| msb_ | The largest manufacturer of processors, operating system manufacturer and the three largest computer makers put into the common pot $ 70 million on an advertising campaign to revive weak sales of personal computers. Intel, Microsoft, Lenovo, HP and Dell have come together to convince the owners of computers over four years to purchase new hardware with Windows 10. As the main motto of the campaign "PC can COOO?" (PC Does Whaat?) | Oct 16 19:17 |
| lirodon | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/pc-industry-takes-on-apple-with-cringing-pc-does-what-ad-campaign/ Even Ars thinks its stupid. | Oct 16 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Cringe-worthy “PC Does What?” campaign wants you to upgrade | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/o1ncg ] | Oct 16 19:18 | |
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| msb_ | The answer to "PC Does Whaat?" is that a PC with Windows 10 will sell your ass to Microsoft and other greedy megacorporations. | Oct 16 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Meh | Oct 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | waste of time to cover as it would only help MSFT | Oct 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | very stupid slogan and marketing strategy | Oct 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | not many people woould notice, it's like those Vista 7 launch parties | Oct 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | which became an epic fail and widely ridiculed | Oct 16 19:30 |
| msb_ | But it's really a good thing because every time someone spends money on a new computer, and then feels ripped off when they see how crappy windows 10 is, that's when we can tell them about absolutely free Linux. | Oct 16 19:31 |
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| MinceR | well, pc does many things unless it's turned into a dumb appliance via Restricted Boot | Oct 16 19:51 |
| MinceR | they shouldn't have fucked it up if they don't like them not selling well | Oct 16 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 20:23 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.iam-media.com/blog/Detail.aspx?g=0b8ffc2c-3a2a-49d7-ac0f-2d94d4a23ffd | Oct 16 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Pilot project with Microsoft and other big filers will directly help SMEs, not hinder them, says EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business | Oct 16 20:23 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, they respond to me (damage control) and today I responded to them again. More coming, stay tuned... | Oct 16 20:23 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1968-we-trade-pictures-your-junk-8-realities-inside-tsa.html | Oct 16 20:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cracked.com | 8 Things You Don't (Want To) Know About TSA Checkpoints | Cracked.com [ http://ur1.ca/o1sfr ] | Oct 16 20:28 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 20:28 |
| schestowitz | > #4 | Oct 16 20:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/655101979870367744 | Oct 16 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The goal is totalitarian corporate feudalism. Mankind is entering a dark, greed driven, dog eat dog era http://t.co/dV453sr0w5 | Oct 16 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The goal is totalitarian corporate feudalism. Mankind is entering a dark, greed driven, dog eat dog era http://t.co/dV453sr0w5 | Oct 16 20:29 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/GyFiayJ | Oct 16 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Scientists discover miraculous way to stop Cyber-Bullying - Imgur | Oct 16 21:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/655113104540340224 | Oct 16 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz They are not stupid, and know who to believe. The intended audience I'd not the staff. | Oct 16 21:10 | |
| schestowitz | Well, some Dutch media is evidently gullible enough http://techrights.org/2015/10/16/crushing-dissent-at-epo/ | Oct 16 21:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The ‘Sherlocks’ of EPO/Spin-Doctoring Pretend That All of the EPO’s Problems Boil Down to One Disgruntled Person (Updated) | Techrights | Oct 16 21:11 | |
| schestowitz | or... complicit | Oct 16 21:11 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6711813 | Oct 16 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Lenovo takes a stand against Microsoft Surface as other OEMs begrudgingly sell it http://www.pcworld.com/article/2993846/computers/lenovo-takes-a-stand-against-microsoft-surface-as-other-oems-begrudgingly-sell-it.html piece of garbage, money in bin | Oct 16 21:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | Lenovo takes a stand against Microsoft Surface as other OEMs begrudgingly sell it | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/o1tb5 ] | Oct 16 21:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 16 21:35 |
| r_schestowitz | The story behind the story: In the past, vendors like Lenovo and Dell politely dismissed Microsoft’s Surface devices as uncompetitive, and in some cases even praised them as helping strengthen the PC market. While they continue to put on brave faces publicly, reports are emerging of behind-the-scenes hostility as the Surface Pro line gains sales traction and the Surface Book takes direct aim at traditional laptops. | Oct 16 21:35 |
| r_schestowitz | :D | Oct 16 21:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Fuck you, Microsoft. Go fuck yourself :D | Oct 16 21:35 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 16 21:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Hope they go bankrupt in the coming years... | Oct 16 21:35 |
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| cubexyz | I bet the OEMs are really tired of dealing with Microsoft | Oct 16 23:08 |
| cubexyz | part of the anti-trust settlement was a proposal to allow PC manufacturers to adopt non-Microsoft software | Oct 16 23:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Robolinux 8.2 Is Based on Debian 8.2, Runs | Oct 17 01:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows Virus Free Inside VMs | Oct 17 01:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Robolinux 8.2 Is Based on Debian 8.2, Runs Windows Virus Free Inside VMs | Tux Machines | Oct 17 01:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here's What's New in Ubuntu Touch OTA-7, the | Oct 17 01:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Update Arrives on October 19 | Oct 17 01:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Here's What's New in Ubuntu Touch OTA-7, the Update Arrives on October 19 | Tux Machines | Oct 17 01:37 | |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: ROFL! | Oct 17 05:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Updated with | Oct 17 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Better Support for Google Drive | Oct 17 09:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Updated with Better Support for Google Drive | Tux Machines | Oct 17 09:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Wants You to Design Your Own Ubuntu | Oct 17 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (Suru) Icons, Here's How http://t.co/ziA08XQ3hU | Oct 17 09:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Wants You to Design Your Own Ubuntu (Suru) Icons, Here's How | Tux Machines | Oct 17 09:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GSA goes open source for its integrated | Oct 17 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | acquisition platform http://t.co/O5o3vjPpJH | Oct 17 09:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GSA goes open source for its integrated acquisition platform | Tux Machines | Oct 17 09:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko | Oct 17 09:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Email Client App by Default | Oct 17 09:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko Email Client App by Default | Tux Machines | Oct 17 09:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Youtube-DL A Command-Line & GUI Youtube, | Oct 17 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Facebook, Dailymotion Videos Downloading Tool | Oct 17 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | For Linux http://t.co/Kjau9LX9VN | Oct 17 11:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Youtube-DL A Command-Line & GUI Youtube, Facebook, Dailymotion Videos Downloading Tool For Linux | Tux Machines | Oct 17 11:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Releases OTA-7 Update for Ubuntu | Oct 17 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Touch Two Days Early by Mistake | Oct 17 11:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Robolinux 8.2 Is Based on Debian 8.2, Runs | Oct 17 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows Virus Free Inside VMs | Oct 17 11:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here's What's New in Ubuntu Touch OTA-7, the | Oct 17 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Update Arrives on October 19 | Oct 17 12:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Coming soon: modular Android watches and phones | Oct 17 12:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Coming soon: modular Android watches and phones · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 17 12:51 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenStack and Servers | Tux Machines | Oct 17 12:51 | |
| gde33 | http://www.bioinitiative.org/table-of-contents/ skyvisionsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/health-argument-for-replacing-wireless-smart-meters-in-maryland.pdf http://smartgridawareness.org/2014/04/20/the-health-argument-against-wireless-smart-meters/ | Oct 17 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bioinitiative.org | BioInitiative Report 2012: Table of Contents [ http://ur1.ca/o26ht ] | Oct 17 12:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smartgridawareness.org | The Health Argument Against Wireless Smart Meters | Smart Grid Awareness [ http://ur1.ca/o26hu ] | Oct 17 12:55 | |
| gde33 | http://skyvisionsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/health-argument-for-replacing-wireless-smart-meters-in-maryland.pdf | Oct 17 12:56 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6711817 | Oct 17 13:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This article has been corrected to say I'm from #techrights and not from #techdirt http://www.iam-media.com/blog/Detail.aspx?g=0b8ffc2c-3a2a-49d7-ac0f-2d94d4a23ffd | Oct 17 13:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.iam-media.com | Pilot project with Microsoft and other big filers will directly help SMEs, not hinder them, says EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business | Oct 17 13:27 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 17 13:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Mention to discredit is not much of a favor. They probably do it to knock down the Google rankings of your articles. Microsoft toads will linkfarm it. | Oct 17 13:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Another trick is to use similar language. The Slashdot “Vista Failure Log” was top of the search returns for “Vista Failure” until someone published an article titled “Vista’s 11 Pillars of Failure” and several Microsoft press copycats followed. | Oct 17 13:27 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 17 13:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Interesting premise | Oct 17 13:27 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/655359727396868096 | Oct 17 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Ours are just more subtle and insidious. | Oct 17 13:29 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6712152 | Oct 17 13:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5 must-have open source apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux http://www.itworld.com/article/2994023/open-source-tools/5-must-have-open-source-apps-for-windows-mac-and-linux.html#slide1 #freesw | Oct 17 13:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com | 5 must-have open source apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o26zc ] | Oct 17 13:30 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Seriously?! Chrome?!!!" | Oct 17 13:30 |
| r_schestowitz | Not FOSS | Oct 17 13:30 |
| cubexyz | a lot of articles have little substance | Oct 17 13:31 |
| cubexyz | but I'm impressed with the negative comments on Microsoft's own forums... really tells the story of what people think | Oct 17 13:32 |
| cubexyz | I can remember some people even saying win2k was the 'best' version of windows | Oct 17 13:34 |
| cubexyz | I'd say the astro-turing is getting drowned out by real grass-roots bitching :) | Oct 17 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Delays with ubuntu convergence | Oct 17 13:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Ubuntu delays PC-phone convergence as Microsoft's Windows 10 forges ahead | PCWorld | Oct 17 13:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Wants You to Design Your Own Ubuntu | Oct 17 13:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.18, KDE Apps 15.08.2 and Linux Kernel | Oct 17 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.2.3 Land in openSUSE Tumbleweed | Oct 17 13:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME 3.18, KDE Apps 15.08.2 and Linux Kernel 4.2.3 Land in openSUSE Tumbleweed - Softpedia | Oct 17 13:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.18.1 released http://t.co/yAAiGDz7pr | Oct 17 13:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME 3.18.1 released | Oct 17 13:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 17 wild uses for your old Android smartphone | Oct 17 13:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Alternate uses for old Android smartphones - Business Insider | Oct 17 13:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @UbuntuTopNews Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Email Client App by Default | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/fg5wxYmSN9 (www.gettopical.com) via | Oct 17 13:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failure when receiving data from the peer ( status 0 @ http://gettopical.com/ubuntuos/94e6a9d1a9cb2784f9e44c7d1b21dd1a?src=twitter ) | Oct 17 13:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko | Oct 17 13:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko Email Client App by Default - Softpedia | Oct 17 13:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mutter Window Manager for GNOME 3.18.1 Has | Oct 17 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improved HiDPI Support on Wayland | Oct 17 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Mutter Window Manager for GNOME 3.18.1 Has Improved HiDPI Support on Wayland - Softpedia | Oct 17 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Learn to embrace open source, or get buried | Oct 17 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Learn to embrace open source, or get buried | Tux Machines | Oct 17 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.18.1 released http://t.co/ddRWHiXDJI | Oct 17 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.18.1 released | Tux Machines | Oct 17 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 17 wild uses for your old Android smartphone | Oct 17 17:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 17 wild uses for your old Android smartphone | Tux Machines | Oct 17 17:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice Is Working On Redoing Their Toolbar | Oct 17 17:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Layout http://t.co/FIGy7JtmS8 | Oct 17 17:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice Is Working On Redoing Their Toolbar Layout | Tux Machines | Oct 17 17:47 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 AppPack Releas | Tux Machines | Oct 17 20:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why hardware needs to go open source | Oct 17 20:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why hardware needs to go open source | Tux Machines | Oct 17 20:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Facing Account Authentication | Oct 17 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Issues, Could Offer Feedback Option | Oct 17 20:26 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: "hardly anyone seems to be able to function on a computer without windows, it's sad" That's not the problem. People (except you) want _fast_ computers so they can watch highly-compressed videos, and do video editing and play action games. These activities, and others like fast compiles, fast switching between virtual desktops, and good speed with interpreted languages like Ruby, REQUIRE A FAST COMPUTER, whether it's running | Oct 11 01:01 |
| msb_ | Linux or Windows. | Oct 11 01:01 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: People also want large displays, which are easier on the eyes, and more entertaining when watching movies, and more functional when editing text or source code because you can view two or three documents on the screen side by side at the same time. Big screens with lots of pixels require a FAST COMPUTER to calculate all those pixels when watching a highly-compressed video or playing an action game. | Oct 11 01:08 |
| cubexyz | msb_, you're so fixated on watching videos | Oct 11 01:09 |
| cubexyz | I almost never bother doing that | Oct 11 01:09 |
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| cubexyz | I can assure you there's lots of people who don't use their computers to edit video | Oct 11 01:10 |
| cubexyz | they do online banking, write emails, some people program | Oct 11 01:10 |
| cubexyz | I watched all the stuff you sent me (most of it at least) on my P3 | Oct 11 01:11 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: "fixated" "bother" are propaganda words the way you're using them here. The vast majority of people enjoy watching movies and other videos like ones about drug companies, political goings-on, etc. | Oct 11 01:11 |
| cubexyz | you are fixated :) | Oct 11 01:12 |
| cubexyz | you endless blather on about it | Oct 11 01:12 |
| cubexyz | I had far older computers that could watch CDI's on | Oct 11 01:13 |
| cubexyz | I think Tivos had a 486 class CPU | Oct 11 01:13 |
| cubexyz | but with special video chips | Oct 11 01:13 |
| cubexyz | I think people waste a lot of time watching youtube and TV | Oct 11 01:14 |
| cubexyz | what is that quote... "poor people have big TVs and rich peopel have big libraries" | Oct 11 01:14 |
| msb_ | Most people probably don't edit videos. But _many_ play action computer games. And _most_ watch movies and other videos, and they like big displays with lots of sharp detail. | Oct 11 01:15 |
| cubexyz | well I haven't seen an statistics so any comment on my part would be just speculation | Oct 11 01:16 |
| cubexyz | s/an/any/ | Oct 11 01:16 |
| cubexyz | I don't play games much | Oct 11 01:17 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: "fixated" "blather" "I think people waste a lot of time watching youtube and TV" You think everyone should be like you and have your likes and dislikes. Well, they aren't, and it's not going to happen. | Oct 11 01:18 |
| cubexyz | TV is a utter waste of time | Oct 11 01:18 |
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| msb_ | "I don't play games much" What is the purpose of our discussion here? To find good computer solutions for YOU, or to find them for EVERYONE? I think it's to help everyone. | Oct 11 01:19 |
| cubexyz | if you had a kid, a teenager, and he/she played games all the time and watched a lot of TV and was failing in school what would you say then? | Oct 11 01:20 |
| cubexyz | I don't think you would like that | Oct 11 01:20 |
| cubexyz | people watching game shows promoting consumerism? | Oct 11 01:21 |
| cubexyz | it's just sad | Oct 11 01:21 |
| msb_ | That's a Red Herring propaganda ploy. Many people play games, and watch certain things on TV that they specifically like, in moderation. | Oct 11 01:22 |
| cubexyz | so no thanks | Oct 11 01:22 |
| cubexyz | I'd love to look at some statistics on that | Oct 11 01:23 |
| msb_ | So what are you trying to do? Foist computers on people that will be incapable of giving them the things they enjoy, so they will be forced into your monastic existence? | Oct 11 01:23 |
| cubexyz | I'd say people are watching more TV now than in the past | Oct 11 01:23 |
| cubexyz | no, the customer tells me what they want :) | Oct 11 01:24 |
| cubexyz | I merely make suggestions | Oct 11 01:24 |
| cubexyz | I did warn people not to use windows 10 though | Oct 11 01:25 |
| msb_ | Is that a "yes" answer to my question? Are you trying to reduce people's computer capabilities in order to force them into your life-style? | Oct 11 01:25 |
| cubexyz | I can't force people to do anything, I assure you | Oct 11 01:25 |
| cubexyz | I'm trying to get FOSS BIOS going actually | Oct 11 01:25 |
| cubexyz | I have nothing against new computers except for secure boot/intel boot guard, and things of that nature | Oct 11 01:26 |
| msb_ | If people buy new fast computers because they want Windows 10, that's a good thing, because when they find out how bad 10 is, we can tell them about Linux, and they'll have a good fast machine to run it on, | Oct 11 01:27 |
| cubexyz | and currently network television is bad bad bad | Oct 11 01:27 |
| cubexyz | you know it's bad :) | Oct 11 01:27 |
| cubexyz | they don't even like windows 10, that's what I've been hearing lately | Oct 11 01:28 |
| cubexyz | well, people usually call me when they're having a problem | Oct 11 01:28 |
| cubexyz | so I fix the problem... if they feel like hearing my philosophic observations on stuff then I'll tell them what I think | Oct 11 01:29 |
| cubexyz | otherwise it's problem fixed, paid, bye | Oct 11 01:29 |
| cubexyz | it's mostly in here that I ramble on about stuff because they tend to be more receptive | Oct 11 01:30 |
| msb_ | "Madame Secretary" is good. "Marvel's Agents of SHIELD" is good. "Castle" is good. "Limitless" is good. These are all current network TV series. | Oct 11 01:30 |
| cubexyz | they do ask me on occassion | Oct 11 01:30 |
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| cubexyz | no one asks me about TV though | Oct 11 01:31 |
| msb_ | You don't try to convert them all to Linux? | Oct 11 01:31 |
| cubexyz | well what I do is point out the alternatives like Linux/BSD/ChromeOS | Oct 11 01:31 |
| cubexyz | a few have actually listened and bought machines with those OSes from me | Oct 11 01:32 |
| cubexyz | no not necessarily Linux | Oct 11 01:32 |
| cubexyz | sometimes they buy Linux without realizing it, ironically enough | Oct 11 01:33 |
| cubexyz | sometimes I talk about repairability | Oct 11 01:33 |
| cubexyz | I've fixed a few HDTVs :) | Oct 11 01:33 |
| cubexyz | so you see, I'm not totally against TV | Oct 11 01:34 |
| cubexyz | Sony Bravia TVs are basically Linux computers | Oct 11 01:34 |
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| cubexyz | I should say no one asks me which TV programs I watch, beyond the fact I'm interested in Sci-FI | Oct 11 01:35 |
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| cubexyz | but if I watch ABC or CBS and see 8 or 9 commercials in a row, that's it, I'm done | Oct 11 01:35 |
| cubexyz | I have a PVR (which I'm not completely happy with) so I can on the few occasions where I do watch TV, fast-forward through any commercials | Oct 11 01:36 |
| cubexyz | but it's like 35% to 40% commercials now | Oct 11 01:36 |
| cubexyz | I can live without it | Oct 11 01:37 |
| cubexyz | I think I mentioned the Microsoft ads on Elementary already | Oct 11 01:38 |
| cubexyz | monastic life is surely an exaggeration :) | Oct 11 01:38 |
| cubexyz | I'd rather read books on Gutenberg than watch TV | Oct 11 01:39 |
| cubexyz | a real monk wouldn't fix TVs I don't think | Oct 11 01:39 |
| msb_ | The shows I watch are no more than about 30%, and I record them from cable-TV and then skip past the commercials. I also remove those obnoxious channel logos from the lower right corner, using an mplayer feature and some scripts I wrote. | Oct 11 01:42 |
| cubexyz | I once saw an ad take up a good 25% of the lower screen during the program | Oct 11 01:43 |
| cubexyz | it just gets worse and worse each year | Oct 11 01:43 |
| cubexyz | it's better to wait for the DVD/Bluray and rip it to the computer | Oct 11 01:43 |
| cubexyz | Bell and Rogers have a duopoly in Canada, and it's not a good thing | Oct 11 01:44 |
| cubexyz | I imagine the United States is similar | Oct 11 01:44 |
| cubexyz | the PVR from Bell must be the most blacked-boxed device I've ever seen | Oct 11 01:46 |
| cubexyz | videos are encrypted and non-transferable | Oct 11 01:47 |
| msb_ | "Elementary" will be back next month -- great! Did you refuse to watch it because it had Microshit ads? | Oct 11 01:47 |
| cubexyz | no, I just complain about it :) | Oct 11 01:47 |
| cubexyz | sometimes I read when on the exercise bike as I'm a bit worried I'm sitting too much | Oct 11 01:48 |
| msb_ | Not all good shows come out on DVD. | Oct 11 01:48 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/lmbrownlee1/status/653132197071683584 | Oct 11 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lmbrownlee1: Yeah. This is going to be real popular. Software patents. Like patent reform - just keeps boomeranging back. https://t.co/JEJK5eYzeE | Oct 11 09:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: European Pirate Party MEP Julia Reda Says #TPP Will Bring Software Patents to #Europe and Other Continents/Countries http://t.co/g2dVWNsxrR | Oct 11 09:58 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: thanks | Oct 11 09:58 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: A luta continua | Oct 11 10:03 |
| msb_ | They never stop. The Earth has been invaded by insectoid psychopath predators in human form. | Oct 11 10:05 |
| msb_ | We, the human race, are their prey. | Oct 11 10:06 |
| msb_ | God created Arrakis to train the faithful. | Oct 11 10:07 |
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| msb_ | This is our planet. It was nice here until about 5,000 years ago when they appeared. | Oct 11 10:09 |
| msb_ | We had Goddess religions -- Earth-centered religions -- that told us how to take care of our world. | Oct 11 10:10 |
| msb_ | The insectoids programmed people to destroy it. | Oct 11 10:11 |
| msb_ | To dominate. | Oct 11 10:11 |
| msb_ | But this is still our planet. We must awaken those of us who have been programmed. | Oct 11 10:12 |
| msb_ | We must take the power away from the psychopaths. We are many and they are few. | Oct 11 10:13 |
| msb_ | They use mind-control to dominate us. If we wake up, we can take our world back. | Oct 11 10:15 |
| msb_ | "Come all you working men, farmers and weavers too. If you would only stand as one, this world belongs to you." Ballad of the Carpenter -- Phil Ochs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TvfBxIkupA | Oct 11 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Phil Ochs - Ballad Of The Carpenter - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n1f7x ] | Oct 11 10:21 | |
| msb_ | "Two thousand years have passed and gone, many a hero too. But the dream of this poor carpenter remains in the hands of you." | Oct 11 10:24 |
| msb_ | The correct wording of the phrase is actually "A luta continua, vitória é certa" meaning, "The struggle continues, victory is certain". | Oct 11 10:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/653145382810222594 | Oct 11 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz #Apple Another #IT giant colluding w/#NSA | Oct 11 10:53 | |
| MinceR | "God" does not exist. | Oct 11 13:40 |
| MinceR | and religions only tell us lies. | Oct 11 13:41 |
| MinceR | we must use our reason, if we can and are willing to do so. | Oct 11 13:41 |
| MinceR | i wonder if openbsd has better task/io scheduling than linux | Oct 11 14:06 |
| MinceR | http://8ch.net/tech/src/1444325882472-0.jpg http://8ch.net/tech/src/1444325882473-2.jpg | Oct 11 14:58 |
| schestowitz | > http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/ | Oct 11 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzhna ] | Oct 11 15:02 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 15:02 |
| schestowitz | > systemd is not "here to stay" it is merely very pernicious and spreading | Oct 11 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > at the moment. | Oct 11 15:03 |
| schestowitz | It'll take a lot to stop Red Hat's grand plan though. | Oct 11 15:03 |
| schestowitz | > " Not one person (including my offender manager) thought the punishment | Oct 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | > fit the crime," | Oct 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | > https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-isnt-worth-the-risk-of-prison-freed-cammer-says-150927/ | Oct 11 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com | Piracy Isn't Worth The Risk of Prison, Freed Cammer Says - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/nzho0 ] | Oct 11 15:06 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | > an effect of privatization of prisons | Oct 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | https://github.com/wimpunk/ddclient | Oct 11 15:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | wimpunk/ddclient · GitHub | Oct 11 15:53 | |
| schestowitz | - | Oct 11 15:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.noip.com/ | Oct 11 15:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.noip.com | Free Dynamic DNS - Managed DNS - Managed Email - Domain Registration - No-IP | Oct 11 15:53 | |
| schestowitz | - | Oct 11 15:53 |
| schestowitz | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS#Registering_with_a_Dynamic_DNS_provider | Oct 11 15:53 |
| schestowitz | You can then point your own CNAME at their A record | Oct 11 15:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-help.ubuntu.com | DynamicDNS - Community Help Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/nzhye ] | Oct 11 15:54 | |
| schestowitz | > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/theres-nothing-mindblowing-about-windows-releasing-a-linux-os | Oct 11 15:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com | There's Nothing Mindblowing About Windows Releasing Its Own Linux OS | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/nzhyq ] | Oct 11 15:55 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 15:55 |
| schestowitz | > opening pp is wrong. no, only < 90% of all desktops and definitely | Oct 11 15:55 |
| schestowitz | > barely present in embedded systems and consoles. | Oct 11 15:55 |
| schestowitz | I noticed that very same line 2 weeks ago and pointed that out in Twitter. I didn't miss this lie either. I wonder if the author noticed his critics... | Oct 11 15:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/653224382676996096 | Oct 11 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Most of them actually are, being foreign-funded. | Oct 11 16:07 | |
| schestowitz | Some, not all, and it's being used by extension to crush dissent | Oct 11 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/snowden-treaty-proposed-to-curtail-mass-surveillance-and-protect-whistleblowers/ | Oct 11 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | “Snowden Treaty” proposed to curtail mass surveillance and protect whistleblowers | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nuuqv ] | Oct 11 16:16 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 11 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | > can't recall if I sent this via .co.uk | Oct 11 16:16 |
| schestowitz | maybe, I'm going backwards in time now, so I don't know... yet. :-) | Oct 11 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | >>> >> http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/ | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Oct 11 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzhna ] | Oct 11 17:02 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> systemd is not "here to stay" it is merely very pernicious and spreading | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> at the moment. | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | >> > It'll take a lot to stop Red Hat's grand plan though. | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > They probably saw the Halloween Documents and realized to try the same | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > as M$, to decommoditize Linux. | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Will help sell RHEL support contracts, that's for sure... | Oct 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JamieXML/status/653241663997935616 | Oct 11 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JamieXML: "When fighting monsters … do not become a monster." Open hackathons versus hypercommercialized resume mills? https://t.co/ATdNoAdOx6 | Oct 11 17:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Selling Out and the Death of Hacker Culture https://t.co/1WdP9DsHGo "We’ve sold each other for profit and lost what makes us happy." | Oct 11 17:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6691730 | Oct 11 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: " If you head to WPS.com, you find only Android, iOS and Linux versions of the suite." http://www.cnet.com/news/whats-the-best-free-alternative-to-microsoft-office/ no #microsoft #windows | Oct 11 17:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnet.com | What's the best free alternative to Microsoft Office? - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/nzih8 ] | Oct 11 17:39 | |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: Regarding systemd "here to stay", the author Christine Hall is not a software engineer, and knows nothing of good engineering principles. This according to her autobio in one of her sites. She's a literary writer. | Oct 11 21:29 |
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| msb_ | MinceR: "<MinceR> and religions only tell us lies". You really should do some research before spouting such huge generalizations (Karl Marx didn't invent capitalism, either). What I wrote about were "Goddess religions -- Earth-centered religions -- that told us how to take care of our world". These gave people instructions for planting, weeding, harvesting, raising animals, etc., told as _stories_ by and about beings. This format | Oct 11 21:37 |
| msb_ | made the information much more interesting and memorable to people than a bare list of instructions, because it appealed to their associative/metaphorical minds, not just their linear/literal minds. Read up on Wicca. | Oct 11 21:37 |
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| MinceR | yes, let's confuse agriculture with religion | Oct 11 22:19 |
| MinceR | confusion works in putin's favor, after all | Oct 11 22:19 |
| msb_ | I wrote a lengthy comment about systemd: http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671 | Oct 11 22:21 |
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| MinceR | and even if you get the procedure right by rote, embedding it in religion makes it static and impossible to improve | Oct 11 22:26 |
| MinceR | thus you get rules that forbid eating pork, shellfish, etc. | Oct 11 22:26 |
| msb_ | MinceR: No, you are confusing JCI religion with Wicca/Witchcraft/Goddess religion, which you probably have never researched. Goddess religions are joyful and flexible. And BTW, if you put some milk and cookies under your bed for Putin, who lives there, he'll be happy and will stop plotting against you. | Oct 11 22:32 |
| MinceR | no, i'm talking about the fundamental principles of religion | Oct 11 22:34 |
| MinceR | the idea of possessing a "Truth" that is inaccessible to reason, unprovable and delivered via revelation | Oct 11 22:34 |
| MinceR | typically marking the ones possessing it as the Chosen People and everyone else as evil and/or expendable | Oct 11 22:34 |
| MinceR | and since it's inaccessible to reason and unprovable, it's also typically static | Oct 11 22:35 |
| MinceR | and the only thing that will stop putin plotting against me is his death | Oct 11 22:35 |
| MinceR | and by the way, putin is plotting against you as well, even if you refuse to realize it | Oct 11 22:35 |
| msb_ | So put poison in his milk and cookies. | Oct 11 22:36 |
| MinceR | i don't have access to his food or drink. | Oct 11 22:36 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You are talking about the fundamental principles of Judeo/Christian/Islamic religion. Goddess religions are very different. Read about them. | Oct 11 22:45 |
| MinceR | are goddess religions devoid of dogma and magical thinking, then? | Oct 11 22:52 |
| MinceR | do they apply the scientific method? | Oct 11 22:52 |
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| msb_ | Goddess religions use metaphor, song, and dance, and are not absolutist. Note that _you_ don't use the scientific method, whose first principle is to gather information. You refuse to do that. | Oct 11 23:02 |
| MinceR | no, the first principle of the scientific method is _not_ "gobble up all the bullshit from putin's propaganda machine" | Oct 11 23:02 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Do you think that Putin invented Goddess religions, as you think that Karl Marx invented capitalism? | Oct 11 23:05 |
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| cubexyz | AMI is under Microsoft's thumb | Oct 12 00:20 |
| cubexyz | it's an inescapeable conclusion | Oct 12 00:20 |
| cubexyz | everything they do uses Microsoft tech | Oct 12 00:23 |
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| cubexyz | motherboard ID utility? Naturally it only works with windows | Oct 12 00:23 |
| cubexyz | BIOS update? same | Oct 12 00:24 |
| cubexyz | building the BIOS image? MASM | Oct 12 00:24 |
| cubexyz | oh well, screw AMI | Oct 12 00:29 |
| cubexyz | I can't over-emphasize how bad this situation is | Oct 12 00:30 |
| cubexyz | one might think, ok things aren't that bad but... | Oct 12 00:32 |
| cubexyz | I can just turn off secure boot or whatever | Oct 12 00:32 |
| cubexyz | but that is just the tip of the iceberg | Oct 12 00:32 |
| cubexyz | Tyan offers coreboot with there Opteron Line (I think you have to ask for it though) | Oct 12 00:35 |
| cubexyz | s/there/their/ | Oct 12 00:35 |
| cubexyz | so Tyan, MSI, and Gigabyte are one's best bet for coreboot | Oct 12 00:36 |
| cubexyz | I guess I'll contact Gigabyte and see what's up | Oct 12 00:39 |
| cubexyz | are they actually shipping coreboot on some motherboards, that is the question | Oct 12 00:39 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Oct 12 17:18 | |
| msb_ | cubexyz: on the phone now with AMD customer service to get info on DASH | Oct 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrauweilerK/status/653593778322731011 | Oct 12 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrauweilerK: Brisanter Vermerk: Europäisches Patentamt soll Großkunden wie Microsoft bevorzugen: Das Blog "Techrights" hat ... http://t.co/vsPNx1GpUY | Oct 12 17:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.heise.de | Brisanter Vermerk: Europäisches Patentamt soll Großkunden wie Microsoft bevorzugen | heise online | Oct 12 17:25 | |
| schestowitz | germany's biggest it news site | Oct 12 17:26 |
| schestowitz | techrights cited | Oct 12 17:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653598877371793408 | Oct 12 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz cool Heise story about your EPO closer contacts post! | Oct 12 17:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LibertyIsALady/status/653572395043651584 | Oct 12 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LibertyIsALady: @bi_politics Righttttt. http://t.co/oqp0RX9cQd http://t.co/U7hjygr6VX | Oct 12 17:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.jbbardot.com | Doomsday Seed Vault In The Arctic - Bill Gates, Rockefeller And GMO Giants Monsanto, Syngenta Know Something We Don’t | Oct 12 17:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | Oct 12 17:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CMSFreiberufler/status/653599027087339521 | Oct 12 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CMSFreiberufler: Brisanter Vermerk: Europäisches Patentamt soll Großkunden wie Microsoft bevorzugen: Das Blog "Techrights" hat ... http://t.co/GoMaIdX5S1 | Oct 12 17:36 | |
| msb_ | DASH info should be coming from AMD in the next two days. | Oct 12 17:40 |
| msb_ | ...or a SWAT team. I told him I wanted the info so people could _prevent_ their computer from being remote controlled. | Oct 12 17:42 |
| schestowitz | without the pointer to the document title it wouldn't have happened, so thanks | Oct 12 17:44 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Congratulations! | Oct 12 17:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/653551114021904384 | Oct 12 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Actual link to the article is http://t.co/Z5H1vaNce6 :-) | Oct 12 17:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com | KDE Frameworks 5.15.0 Has Just Landed in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) - Softpedia | Oct 12 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | oops, I was on the phone when I posted this... | Oct 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653612661117198336 | Oct 12 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz no problem. I just had to honor a promise not to publish or share it myself. Glad you're increasingly focused on EPO isses | Oct 12 17:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/653520905339998209 | Oct 12 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "ppl may face jail time for ©® infringements [even]without financial gain if [such] significantly impact ©® holders" https://t.co/iijxJSnxuE | Oct 12 17:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Leaked #TPP Chapter Proposes Drastic Copyright Changes https://t.co/gtm1PER2WQ tilting law against the poor, the empower Power | Oct 12 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: thanks | Oct 12 17:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Rich61080/status/653615616411176960 | Oct 12 18:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Rich61080: @schestowitz Genghis Khan is celebrated in Mongolia and has been recognized by the Chinese government. | Oct 12 18:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694325 | Oct 12 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux golden age threatened by bug army http://www.techeye.net/news/linux-golden-age-threatened-by-bug-army well, compare to https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/653185875715624960 | Oct 12 18:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Why are you sharing a 2 year old story?" | Oct 12 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techeye.net | Linux golden age threatened by bug army | TechEye [ http://ur1.ca/nzpv8 ] | Oct 12 18:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixcraft: New @Snowden revelations confirm @Microsoft Tells the NSA about encryption backdoors in proprietary Windows software https://t.co/SskMDnXQEc | Oct 12 18:02 | |
| schestowitz | Both links are new, but the third one is old and relevant | Oct 12 18:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6600006 | Oct 12 18:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Driver development for Windows, in #vista10 included, is still a sordid mess. Windows has hardly evolved, based on inside sources.Marketing. | Oct 12 18:03 | |
| schestowitz | "yes indeed" | Oct 12 18:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DickInman/status/653616852724154368 | Oct 12 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DickInman: @schestowitz Genghis Khan's exploits didn't have this wonderful result: #merica #HappyColumbusDay | Oct 12 18:04 | |
| schestowitz | Merica? | Oct 12 18:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694260 | Oct 12 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: White Hat Hackers Would Have Their Devices Destroyed Under the TPP http://motherboard.vice.com/read/white-hat-hackers-would-have-their-devices-destroyed-under-the-tpp #tpp is like #whitecollar crime against society | Oct 12 18:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> motherboard.vice.com | White Hat Hackers Would Have Their Devices Destroyed Under the TPP | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/nzpw9 ] | Oct 12 18:05 | |
| schestowitz | "Secret IP police." | Oct 12 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Goons of the rich | Oct 12 18:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694474 | Oct 12 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When my wife worked in #taiwan (for US company) she said they did union-busting, fired >potential< charismatic person >AND< her friend | Oct 12 18:05 | |
| schestowitz | "wtf" | Oct 12 18:05 |
| schestowitz | #china #prc | Oct 12 18:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6693412 | Oct 12 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Solus Is Getting User Repositories http://news.softpedia.com/news/solus-is-getting-user-repositories-494310.shtml #gnu #linux | Oct 12 18:06 | |
| schestowitz | "what is their package manager? is it one that other distros use too or do they develop it completely from scratch?" | Oct 12 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Solus Is Getting User Repositories - Softpedia | Oct 12 18:06 | |
| schestowitz | Haven't checked myself, maybe others can weigh in | Oct 12 18:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/653617330807816192 | Oct 12 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz There needs to be more shoe throwing all round. | Oct 12 18:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695575 | Oct 12 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ColumbusDay is a celebration of aggressive invasion. Imagine Iraqis celebrating "Bush Day" or Cambodia celebrating "Kissinger Day". | Oct 12 18:25 | |
| schestowitz | "You're preaching to the choir, my friend." | Oct 12 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I used the hashtag hoping to reach outside the choir | Oct 12 18:25 |
| schestowitz | [21:29] <msb_> schestowitz: Regarding systemd "here to stay", the author Christine Hall is not a software engineer, and knows nothing of good engineering principles. This according to her autobio in one of her sites. She's a literary writer. | Oct 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but... | Oct 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Don't go ad hominem on her | Oct 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | she's pro FOSS | Oct 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | but also pro DRM gasp | Oct 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <cubexyz> HA, dual core 2 gigahertz is old | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | My wife has 1.5 dual | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | both of us have just 2gb of ram | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | and it's mostly enough, although kf5 is choking on it | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | too bloated and buggy, still | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | needs to stablise | Oct 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | *stabilise | Oct 12 18:31 |
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| msb_ | To Christine Hall's credit, she not only left my very large comment in, but cited it in the recent comments column. http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671 | Oct 12 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzqlv ] | Oct 12 19:02 | |
| msb_ | Oops, not in the recent column anymore, but still with the article. | Oct 12 19:05 |
| msb_ | This article is truly excellent, and turned me on to her site: http://fossforce.com/2015/09/in-the-seed-of-a-raspberry-is-the-future-of-linux/ | Oct 12 19:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nv5mb ] | Oct 12 19:09 | |
| msb_ | If you see an article on fossforce promoting DRM, add a comment to the article explaining why it's so bad. Include a link to techrights. | Oct 12 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/653650361211817985 | Oct 12 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wendycockcroft: #opensource for the win! https://t.co/JG9bz6tGdM | Oct 12 20:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Italy’s Bari switching to #LibreOffice and ODF https://t.co/CiP4zqHVXe #europe #italy #freesw #odf #standard #bari | Oct 12 20:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/invizbox/status/653655509652930560 | Oct 12 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@invizbox: @schestowitz thanks for the tweet! | Oct 12 20:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653655679270449152 | Oct 12 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: How to be critical of systemd, without devolving into the tired religious wars. Long and technical. @schestowitz http://t.co/Y2Yvg2yDwx | Oct 12 20:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise | Oct 12 20:39 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653671925403664384 | Oct 12 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz it's a discussion that needs to happen and has been long overdue. It needs to run its course or it'll keep occurring. | Oct 12 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | There are more discussions, mostly technical, worth having. This one has taken up over a week... | Oct 12 21:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653673337562886144 | Oct 12 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz absolutely! But this is still one that needs to happen alongside those. | Oct 12 21:48 | |
| schestowitz | it distracts developers who work on Linux for nearly a week now. They need to get on with work... | Oct 12 21:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653674081540112384 | Oct 12 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz there's nothing stopping them or distracting them. The people who need to focus, will. | Oct 12 21:51 | |
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| schestowitz | hard when a shitstorm on the Internet speaks personally about them | Oct 12 21:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695888 | Oct 12 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 5 Reasons to Still Choose an Android Phone Over an iPhone http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/10/5-reasons-to-choose-an-android-device-over-an-ipho.html | Oct 12 22:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pastemagazine.com | 5 Reasons to Still Choose an Android Phone Over an iPhone :: Tech :: Lists :: Paste [ http://ur1.ca/nzt9j ] | Oct 12 22:03 | |
| schestowitz | "I’m sure listing “deep integration with Google services” as a benefit will go over really well with the Diaspora community lol." | Oct 12 22:03 |
| schestowitz | "I remember in Cory Doctorow’s For The Win, Coca Cola was the maker of the mmorpg around which the story centers." | Oct 12 22:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695783 | Oct 12 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Leak reveals a brand-new Android phone made by… Pepsi http://bgr.com/2015/10/12/pepsi-android-smartphone-price-leak/ #android #linux #pepsi | Oct 12 22:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bgr.com | Pepsi Android smartphone price leak | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/nztcf ] | Oct 12 22:08 | |
| schestowitz | I remember playing computer games revolving around food products like 7UP and others... | Oct 12 22:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653676322795814912 | Oct 12 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz and there's a bloody good reason for that happening. | Oct 12 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hydrofal78/status/653678002870616064 | Oct 12 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hydrofal78: @schestowitz @KimDotcom is there a chance we get our documents downloaded?There was no warning email and cannot access the cloud now. | Oct 12 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | FBI et al want all the files wiped. Because they said so. Not even hosted in the US at the time. | Oct 12 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hydrofal78/status/653679534198407168 | Oct 12 22:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hydrofal78: @schestowitz @KimDotcom that's not fair;I've got old work documents kept as an archive;how can we ask for a chance to get them? | Oct 12 22:15 | |
| schestowitz | > x http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-the-linux-company/ | Oct 12 22:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 12 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Microsoft's love affair with Linux deepens | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/nztj1 ] | Oct 12 22:19 | |
| schestowitz | > does he write those titles or do the editors? | Oct 12 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Editors. i challenged him over it... | Oct 12 22:19 |
| schestowitz | "on the same day that the country's President Xi Jinping and a | Oct 12 22:21 |
| schestowitz | delegation visited its campus at Redmond" | Oct 12 22:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2985902/microsoft-cuts-deals-in-china-with-government-organizations-and-companies.html | Oct 12 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Microsoft tailors Windows 10 for China, cutting deals with Baidu and others | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/nztkv ] | Oct 12 22:21 | |
| schestowitz | == | Oct 12 22:21 |
| schestowitz | https://consent.google.com/ui/ | Oct 12 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://consent.google.com/ui/ ) | Oct 12 22:21 | |
| schestowitz | > https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/Platforms/ | Oct 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | > ? | Oct 12 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ec.europa.eu | EUSurvey - Survey [ http://ur1.ca/nztm0 ] | Oct 12 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | Need JS to use... | Oct 12 22:24 |
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| msb_ | XRevan86: cubexyz: MinceR: Have any of you read this entire article? http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ | Oct 12 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ] | Oct 12 23:14 | |
| MinceR | i'm reading it | Oct 12 23:14 |
| MinceR | i'm at 53% | Oct 12 23:14 |
| msb_ | systemd is an enormous godawful mess. No wonder it has 36MB of source code. | Oct 12 23:14 |
| cubexyz | motherboard BIOS is getting very big also | Oct 12 23:15 |
| cubexyz | Cedar Trail on it's own is 87 megs of files | Oct 12 23:16 |
| cubexyz | not the sort of thing your going to be able to study easily | Oct 12 23:16 |
| cubexyz | s/your/you're/ | Oct 12 23:16 |
| cubexyz | my advice remains the same: | Oct 12 23:17 |
| cubexyz | keep one older computer with non-systemd and simpler BIOS (with source code if at all possible) | Oct 12 23:17 |
| msb_ | I once programmed for a company that made implantable defibrillators. They had a test setup consisting of six PCs running some kind of object-oriented system to test the defibrillators (which were 6502 based). | Oct 12 23:17 |
| cubexyz | did you know that some of the PDP-11 folks consider PCs to be broken? | Oct 12 23:19 |
| msb_ | None of them could figure out what the object-oriented realtime system was actually doing. I wrote a simple program to analyze the defibrillator output, which revealed that it was emitting spurious pulses that could cause fibrillation and kill the patient. The company was not going to fix the defib, as they had already written up some 600 pages of test data for the FDA. So they fired me the next week. | Oct 12 23:20 |
| cubexyz | as in the design itself is bad | Oct 12 23:20 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: "bad" how? With a good OS, PCs work fine. | Oct 12 23:22 |
| cubexyz | except they mess up all the time | Oct 12 23:23 |
| msb_ | What are you talking about? Mine runs for months with no problems until there's a power failure. | Oct 12 23:24 |
| msb_ | You have a dozen of them. Are they messing up all the time? | Oct 12 23:24 |
| cubexyz | at the application level? definitely | Oct 12 23:25 |
| cubexyz | at the X11 level? surely | Oct 12 23:25 |
| cubexyz | does the text console fail? it does | Oct 12 23:25 |
| msb_ | Not that I see such problems, but how do you figure that the fundamental structure of the computer is at fault> | Oct 12 23:26 |
| msb_ | ? | Oct 12 23:26 |
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| msb_ | Anyhow, you changed the subject to BIOS, which is mostly doing one thing at a time if it's doing anything (in Linux). | Oct 12 23:28 |
| cubexyz | What I'm saying is that the complexitiy of the PC is such that one person can't understand it | Oct 12 23:28 |
| cubexyz | I'm not saying the architecture is broken, this PDP-11 guy is saying that | Oct 12 23:29 |
| MinceR | i think there are too many dirty little secrets in all modern computers | Oct 12 23:29 |
| MinceR | secret hardware designs, secret microcode, secret firmware, etc. | Oct 12 23:30 |
| cubexyz | if you aren't switching from text console to X11 mode a lot you might not see some of the problems I'm seeing | Oct 12 23:30 |
| msb_ | What I'm talking about is this article: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ which reveals systemd to be a super-complex object-oriented real-time abortion enormously bigger than the one I encountered at the defibrillator company, which hid the fact that their product was going to stop people's hearts and kill them. | Oct 12 23:31 |
| cubexyz | if I ran a system with no sound card, and no X11 at all then it would be extremely stable | Oct 12 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ] | Oct 12 23:31 | |
| MinceR | it's worse than that | Oct 12 23:31 |
| cubexyz | even so I've run X11 for over a year, so it's not bad | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | it reveals the service manager aspect of systemd to be that | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | and on top of that, there's a mandatory broken syslogd replacement | Oct 12 23:32 |
| cubexyz | it's just that it fails under certain conditions | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | and a dozen other things | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | or more | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | plus there's the toxic attitude of its backers | Oct 12 23:32 |
| MinceR | and the atrocious code quality | Oct 12 23:32 |
| cubexyz | systemd isn't Unix philosophy | Oct 12 23:33 |
| cubexyz | so I don't use it | Oct 12 23:33 |
| cubexyz | PDP11 guy says: | Oct 12 23:33 |
| cubexyz | Anyone still recall how the memory layout actually looks like on a PC? Or the ugly architecture that x86 is? Or the strange and silly IRQ and DMA setups you needed to do on cards on the ISA bus, or the dependecies on the BIOS, which in the old days had the geometry of every kind of disk in tables in the BIOS, fixed even... Or the various video cards with incompatible interfaces and peculiarities.. | Oct 12 23:33 |
| msb_ | To make systemd into something that could brick Linux computers at government command, probably no code changes would even be needed, just some parameter changes. | Oct 12 23:34 |
| cubexyz | you can brick the BIOS for that matter | Oct 12 23:34 |
| cubexyz | no systemd needed :) | Oct 12 23:34 |
| msb_ | Not remotely, unless via DASH. | Oct 12 23:35 |
| cubexyz | there's lots of other problems too, but in the hardware | Oct 12 23:35 |
| cubexyz | sure, you can brick the BIOS with DASH | Oct 12 23:35 |
| cubexyz | just overwrite it with malicious code | Oct 12 23:36 |
| cubexyz | uh, without DASH I mean | Oct 12 23:36 |
| cubexyz | it's not likely though | Oct 12 23:36 |
| MinceR | CIH bricked the BIOS without DASH :> | Oct 12 23:36 |
| cubexyz | right | Oct 12 23:36 |
| cubexyz | that's kind of why we have all this secure boot stuff now | Oct 12 23:37 |
| cubexyz | it's good and bad at the same time | Oct 12 23:37 |
| cubexyz | DASH is good and bad as well | Oct 12 23:38 |
| cubexyz | with DASH you could remotely fix problems | Oct 12 23:38 |
| cubexyz | and cause them in the first place | Oct 12 23:38 |
| cubexyz | if your BIOS has unused space, the bad code can hide in it | Oct 12 23:39 |
| cubexyz | I've already mentioned the BMP vulerability | Oct 12 23:40 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: PCs evolved with innovation on top of innovation. That's why the architecture is so "ugly" now. But it works great! And what happened to DEC, with its beautifully designed PDP-11 series? They were too expensive, and DEC was sold off to Compaq, HP and Intel. | Oct 12 23:40 |
| cubexyz | msb_, right, DEC messed up big time | Oct 12 23:41 |
| msb_ | CIH is a windows virus, right? Windows systems are hopelessly insecure. | Oct 12 23:43 |
| cubexyz | CIH could KO the BIOS itself, not sure if that could happen with Linux | Oct 12 23:44 |
| cubexyz | if the BIOS gets overwritten, all bets are off | Oct 12 23:44 |
| cubexyz | personally I can't think of PCs as 'great' | Oct 12 23:46 |
| cubexyz | if you repair laptops often enough... you'll see what I mean | Oct 12 23:47 |
| cubexyz | damaged GDUs, and other kinds of heat damage | Oct 12 23:47 |
| cubexyz | GPU? GPU | Oct 12 23:47 |
| MinceR | there are no PDP-11 laptops though, afaik | Oct 12 23:48 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: PCs are what we've got. Staying with AMD for the moment, the FX-8350 is an excellent CPU and the ASUS 990FX is an excellent mobo in which secure-boot can easily be turned off. So if the DASH vulnerability can be fixed, or doesn't even exist with the 8350, that combination provides a superb high-speed computer suitable for everyone. | Oct 12 23:48 |
| msb_ | High-speed _and_ secure. | Oct 12 23:49 |
| cubexyz | no, no PDP-11 laptops, microPDP in a small case is the best you can do | Oct 12 23:49 |
| cubexyz | except you have tons of binary blobs, and no clue what they do | Oct 12 23:49 |
| cubexyz | that's the problem with modern PCs | Oct 12 23:49 |
| msb_ | Well, we now have the C and assembly source code to modern AMI BIOS, so you can see what the blobs made from that will do. I predict it's nothing malicious. | Oct 12 23:52 |
| cubexyz | from 2011, nothing from 2015 | Oct 12 23:52 |
| cubexyz | that doesn't include other types of firmware either | Oct 12 23:53 |
| cubexyz | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ | Oct 12 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Meet “badBIOS,” the mysterious Mac and PC malware that jumps airgaps | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fys2h ] | Oct 12 23:54 | |
| msb_ | The Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge code in the torrent are from 2012. | Oct 12 23:55 |
| cubexyz | I just grepped the whole thing for 2012 and zero matches | Oct 12 23:56 |
| cubexyz | well hold on, I don't think I've looked at Sandy Bridge yet | Oct 12 23:57 |
| cubexyz | no matches in Cedar Trail I should say | Oct 12 23:57 |
| cubexyz | it's huge | Oct 12 23:58 |
| cubexyz | no matches in Sandy Bridge either | Oct 12 23:59 |
| cubexyz | ok, Ivy Bridge does have files with 2012 in them | Oct 13 00:01 |
| cubexyz | I think the leak was announced in 2013 | Oct 13 00:01 |
| cubexyz | lots of good info though, it will be years before one can digest all this | Oct 13 00:09 |
| cubexyz | you can see in Luna Pier's History.txt that testing was done on Windows XP | Oct 13 00:10 |
| cubexyz | one can see my point AMI tests mainly for Windows | Oct 13 00:12 |
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| cubexyz | the proof is voluminous | Oct 13 00:13 |
| cubexyz | and we say that win95 is bad but... | Oct 13 00:14 |
| cubexyz | and it was terrible... | Oct 13 00:14 |
| cubexyz | but to suggest that windows 10 is fine and everything's A-OK would be crazy | Oct 13 00:15 |
| cubexyz | to me, this code just reaffirms that Microsoft has their hooks into everything | Oct 13 00:17 |
| cubexyz | I predicted the Microsoft only computer would happen | Oct 13 00:17 |
| cubexyz | computers will become balkanized | Oct 13 00:18 |
| cubexyz | Google computer, Apple computer, Microsoft computer | Oct 13 00:18 |
| cubexyz | on the fringe we'll have Amiga, Vax, PDP-11, etc | Oct 13 00:19 |
| cubexyz | read that Arstechnica article... | Oct 13 00:21 |
| msb_ | Yeah, and Putin is going to blow the tits off the Earth. | Oct 13 00:21 |
| msb_ | The Ars article reminds me of this deliciously scary movie about an alien lifeform that comes to Earth via a radio signal: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138304/combined | Oct 13 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Astronaut's Wife (1999) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvc8 ] | Oct 13 00:22 | |
| cubexyz | Ruiu did sound a bit paranoid | Oct 13 00:23 |
| cubexyz | but he had a major problem, no doubt about that | Oct 13 00:23 |
| msb_ | Do Windows machines instantly execute any program they find on a USB stick? Do Linux machines? | Oct 13 00:23 |
| cubexyz | ha | Oct 13 00:24 |
| cubexyz | good question | Oct 13 00:24 |
| cubexyz | pretty sure Linux doesn't | Oct 13 00:24 |
| cubexyz | but remember CDs with autostart? | Oct 13 00:25 |
| msb_ | Windows certainly used to execute any exe file it got in an e-mail. Fun and games there! | Oct 13 00:25 |
| cubexyz | windows had autorun on CDs for sure | Oct 13 00:25 |
| msb_ | Even the most devilish virus is harmless as long as it remains just data and doesn't get executed. | Oct 13 00:26 |
| cubexyz | I had a customer ask me for a computer without USB | Oct 13 00:27 |
| cubexyz | you can disconnect the ribbon cable :) | Oct 13 00:28 |
| cubexyz | one scenario... hacker leaves a usb stick by your computer | Oct 13 00:29 |
| cubexyz | curious user plugs it in to see what's on it | Oct 13 00:29 |
| msb_ | There's another great movie, "Virus", with Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Sutherland: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120458/combined | Oct 13 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Virus (1999) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvfo ] | Oct 13 00:30 | |
| msb_ | A virus comes to earth and begins building robot bodies for itself, some incorporating human parts! | Oct 13 00:30 |
| cubexyz | 1999 was a rather pessimistic year it seems | Oct 13 00:31 |
| cubexyz | Y2K! Grocery stores will be empty! Planes will fall out of the sky! | Oct 13 00:31 |
| msb_ | Then there was this one, about an electrical virus traveling through the power lines: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095924/combined | Oct 13 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pulse (1988) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvh9 ] | Oct 13 00:33 | |
| msb_ | So good! | Oct 13 00:33 |
| msb_ | "Paranoia is just another word for heightened awareness." | Oct 13 00:35 |
| cubexyz | high frequency transmissions passed between computer speakers and microphones? | Oct 13 00:36 |
| cubexyz | that's movie material right there :) | Oct 13 00:37 |
| msb_ | "It don't just crawl in on your wires. It ain't a *thing*. It's a *signal*. A *pulse*. Kinda like a *voice*. So what you've got to do is to get rid of anything in your house that might have ears to hear it. " | Oct 13 00:37 |
| MinceR | 012116 < msb_> Yeah, and Putin is going to blow the tits off the Earth. | Oct 13 00:41 |
| MinceR | and unless the usian missile defense works out, he'll nuke you too | Oct 13 00:41 |
| msb_ | Oops, I triggered PARRY. | Oct 13 00:43 |
| MinceR | oops, i triggered the kremlin's troll army | Oct 13 00:44 |
| msb_ | Too bad for you that Putin is doing such a great job saving Syria from ISIL and Al-Nusrah. The syrians are very grateful. | Oct 13 00:46 |
| msb_ | ISIL and Al-Nusrah (Al-Qaeda) are armed by the US, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. | Oct 13 00:48 |
| msb_ | Head choppers and clit cutters. | Oct 13 00:49 |
| MinceR | i'm sure it will ease your pains when dying of radiation sickness and/or starving to death in nuclear winter triggered by putin | Oct 13 00:49 |
| msb_ | All so that Israel can dominate the Middle East. | Oct 13 00:49 |
| MinceR | putin is a religious fundamentalist all the same | Oct 13 00:49 |
| cubexyz | it's unlikely anyone will get nuked | Oct 13 01:07 |
| cubexyz | MAD still holds, and people aren't that crazy | Oct 13 01:07 |
| cubexyz | The US could have used nukes in Vietnam for example | Oct 13 01:10 |
| cubexyz | China has a NFU (No first Use) policy | Oct 13 01:12 |
| cubexyz | Russia's policy is it reserves the right to use nuclear weapons "in response to a large-scale conventional agression" | Oct 13 01:14 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use | Oct 13 01:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | No first use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzvwz ] | Oct 13 01:14 | |
| MinceR | MAD won't deter people who believe only the afterlife matters, or people as desperate as putin | Oct 13 01:15 |
| MinceR | see, even that policy is more trigger-happy than the policies of other countries | Oct 13 01:17 |
| MinceR | or the policies of the first cold war | Oct 13 01:17 |
| msb_ | MinceR is a depressed paranoid schizophrenic who refuses to get any help. | Oct 13 01:18 |
| MinceR | msb_ is a fascist who refuses to stop pushing putin's propaganda. | Oct 13 01:19 |
| msb_ | MinceR says that almost all people are worthless, and want to be enslaved and killed. | Oct 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | msb_ wants us all to be enslaved and/or killed by putin | Oct 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | msb_ supports the destruction of human rights and freedoms while claiming he doesn't support that. | Oct 13 01:21 |
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| msb_ | MinceR is unable to provide quotes from me supporting _any_ of the lies he tells about me. He comes up with lame excuses for not posting such quotes. | Oct 13 01:23 |
| cubexyz | Ruiu is saying that once he removed the internal speaker and microphone that the bad packets stopped transmitting, curious stuff | Oct 13 01:23 |
| MinceR | msb_ likes to pretend that evidence that was presented (often more than once) doesn't exist | Oct 13 01:24 |
| msb_ | But that was after the machines had been infected from USB sticks. | Oct 13 01:24 |
| MinceR | msb_ also can't tell the difference between data and noise | Oct 13 01:24 |
| cubexyz | he's saying infected machines are talking to each other via ultrasound | Oct 13 01:26 |
| cubexyz | and he's saying it infected his BSD machine, not just his windows boxes | Oct 13 01:28 |
| msb_ | But only to repair changes he made to the viral code. | Oct 13 01:29 |
| cubexyz | https://www.facebook.com/dragosr/posts/10151655183445588 | Oct 13 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.facebook.com | Dragos Ruiu - More on my ongoing chase of #badBIOS... | Facebook [ http://ur1.ca/nzw51 ] | Oct 13 01:30 | |
| msb_ | Any OS that launches an executable it finds on a usb stick would be vulnerable. | Oct 13 01:30 |
| cubexyz | yeah if it's DASH related... then no knows | Oct 13 01:30 |
| cubexyz | but he says the machine was air gapped, so it's very odd | Oct 13 01:31 |
| msb_ | It infected Macs -- no DASH. | Oct 13 01:31 |
| cubexyz | you're certain Macs don't have DASH? | Oct 13 01:31 |
| cubexyz | these problems seem very modern to me | Oct 13 01:33 |
| cubexyz | mystery fonts on windows 8, well if he keeps using windows 8 then no wonder | Oct 13 01:34 |
| msb_ | windows anything. ttf fonts are executable!!! | Oct 13 01:35 |
| cubexyz | ttf files get previewed by windows, yes :) | Oct 13 01:35 |
| cubexyz | Dragos should have one or two older computers | Oct 13 01:36 |
| cubexyz | and yes, stop using windows | Oct 13 01:36 |
| MinceR | winblows puts executable stubs with PE headers on everything | Oct 13 01:37 |
| MinceR | it's like they _want_ everything to be able to carry malware | Oct 13 01:37 |
| cubexyz | but if someone is reprogramming the USB controller, you are screwed right there | Oct 13 01:37 |
| msb_ | I thought DASH was only in AMD CPUs, but it's part of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Management_Task_Force | Oct 13 01:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Distributed Management Task Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzw8l ] | Oct 13 01:38 | |
| cubexyz | no, Intel Vpro has a subset of DASH | Oct 13 01:38 |
| MinceR | i think that's vPro :> | Oct 13 01:38 |
| cubexyz | think about that for a second... reprogramming the USB Controller | Oct 13 01:39 |
| cubexyz | USB keyboard? keyloggers? | Oct 13 01:39 |
| cubexyz | Intel vPro, right | Oct 13 01:40 |
| cubexyz | I know I don't want it | Oct 13 01:40 |
| msb_ | I guess badbios wasn't designed to spread via the Net or it would be everywhere. | Oct 13 01:41 |
| cubexyz | how did he get it in the first place? | Oct 13 01:44 |
| cubexyz | unless it's all a hoax | Oct 13 01:44 |
| cubexyz | "ascousitc mesm networking at 20 bits per second" | Oct 13 01:45 |
| cubexyz | acoustic | Oct 13 01:45 |
| cubexyz | acoustic mesh networking | Oct 13 01:46 |
| msb_ | usb stick or cd-rom | Oct 13 01:46 |
| msb_ | maybe somebody dropped a usb stick in his bag at a security convention | Oct 13 01:48 |
| cubexyz | possible | Oct 13 01:48 |
| cubexyz | I learned today that ARP tries to talk to 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.254 | Oct 13 01:51 |
| cubexyz | I just started watching the ARP stuff yesterday | Oct 13 01:51 |
| msb_ | That's your cable or dsl node identifying all the leaf nodes, including yours. | Oct 13 01:54 |
| msb_ | My router filters that out. It was annoying. | Oct 13 01:55 |
| msb_ | ARP means Alien Repersonalization Pulse. MinceR was hit by one, and look at him now. | Oct 13 02:05 |
| MinceR | no, i'm being hit by personal attacks | Oct 13 02:06 |
| MinceR | something msb_ used to complain about | Oct 13 02:06 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: I think when your system sees an ARP packet with its ip-address, it responds with a packet containing its MAC address. So the upstream node knows which customer is on which ip-address. | Oct 13 02:08 |
| msb_ | But that's just from memory. | Oct 13 02:08 |
| cubexyz | msb_, how do you know the ARP requests are coming from the ISP and not the router? | Oct 13 02:15 |
| msb_ | Interesting stuff here: https://www.reddit.com/r/badBIOS/ | Oct 13 02:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BadBIOS, firmware rootkits, side channel attacks, power line hacking | Oct 13 02:17 | |
| cubexyz | "libreboot project recommends avoiding all modern Intel hardware" | Oct 13 02:18 |
| msb_ | I was seeing the ARP packets on my computer with xnetload and ethereal _before_ I installed the router. | Oct 13 02:18 |
| msb_ | Suits me! | Oct 13 02:19 |
| msb_ | The router blocked them. | Oct 13 02:19 |
| msb_ | Now I see only incoming and outgoing packets from my software on my graphic net indicators. | Oct 13 02:20 |
| msb_ | Before it was full of ARP hair that obscured them. | Oct 13 02:20 |
| cubexyz | your router has an option to block ARP messages? | Oct 13 02:29 |
| cubexyz | I don't think my router can do that | Oct 13 02:29 |
| cubexyz | wow, the Reddit folks are saying there's a hidden gizmo in the cmos battery | Oct 13 02:34 |
| cubexyz | these guys are even more paranoid that us | Oct 13 02:34 |
| cubexyz | s/that/than/ | Oct 13 02:34 |
| cubexyz | some of the things they are talking about I don't understand | Oct 13 02:37 |
| cubexyz | I don't remember any microphone on 1997 motherboards (or newer) | Oct 13 02:38 |
| cubexyz | "all laptops are sold with webcams and microphones" | Oct 13 02:40 |
| msb_ | Look thru the advanced settings in your router menu. | Oct 13 02:59 |
| cubexyz | there's nothing about ARP | Oct 13 03:02 |
| msb_ | I wish I could block AARP from my snail-mail! | Oct 13 03:03 |
| msb_ | I'll look in my router. | Oct 13 03:04 |
| cubexyz | I'm not that worried about my ISP | Oct 13 03:06 |
| cubexyz | it's community based | Oct 13 03:06 |
| cubexyz | an ARP attack would be different | Oct 13 03:06 |
| cubexyz | guess my router is too old | Oct 13 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686760 | Oct 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | "Cisco is mostly good at backdoors." | Oct 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | And intercepts | Oct 13 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linksys WRT router gains faster SoC, more RAM, OpenWrt http://linuxgizmos.com/linksys-wrt-gains-faster-soc-more-ram-and-openwrt/ "open source OpenWrt support out of the box." #linux | Oct 13 12:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxgizmos.com | Linksys WRT router gains faster SoC, more RAM, OpenWrt · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/o030t ] | Oct 13 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686759 | Oct 13 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Lastpass sold to LogMeIn -- should Linux users panic? http://betanews.com/2015/10/09/lastpass-sold-to-logmein-should-linux-users-panic/ No. EVERYONE should panic and quit #lastpass | Oct 13 12:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betanews.com | Lastpass sold to LogMeIn -- should Linux users panic? [ http://ur1.ca/o030x ] | Oct 13 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | "I’m using KDE Wallet and letting Iceweasel remember. I’ve done this with Chromium Browser too. KDE is the only one I really trust and it makes it easy to search and see the information so you can use it in other places." | Oct 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Kwallet in KF5 still too messy for me :/ waiting for bugfixes... | Oct 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697197 | Oct 13 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #KWrite on a platform where people hardly care about #freesw and probably will use whatever necro-Jobs gives them http://kate-editor.org/2015/10/12/kwrite-on-mac/ | Oct 13 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | "I’m sure it’s relatively easy to get KDE working on Mac, as it is a *nix." | Oct 13 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> kate-editor.org | KWrite on Mac | Kate | Get an Edge in Editing [ http://ur1.ca/o031q ] | Oct 13 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | There was work on it back in the days (almost a decade ago), but haven't heard of it for years (same for KDE on Windows), hence I imagine for KDE on a "Mac" you need to dual boot or wipe OSuX | Oct 13 12:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6680937 | Oct 13 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NASA Gives Back What It Took Away in the Form of Patent Monopolies for Private Gain http://techrights.org/2015/10/08/nasa-publicity-stunt/ #nasa #patents | Oct 13 12:26 | |
| schestowitz | "The model was government owned, contractor run. I think NASA’s budget went to zero, so what’s left is all private owned. I’m not close enough to know if there’s been a great theft of NASA public facilities, but it did happen to software and seems to be a general, Republican theme to “privatize” everything." | Oct 13 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | NASA Gives Back What It Took Away in the Form of Patent Monopolies for Private Gain | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nzb2q ] | Oct 13 12:27 | |
| schestowitz | Not only GOP privatise things. Sadly, on corporatism, there is a difference between radical 'free' market (GOP) and less radical 'free' market (D) | Oct 13 12:27 |
| schestowitz | "Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) what is your opinion of Sarah Sharp quitting as Linux Kernel development due to the hostile environment of the top-level Kernel Maintainers?" | Oct 13 12:34 |
| schestowitz | I wrote two responses to it http://techrights.org/2015/10/11/microsoft-sexism-lawsuits/ http://techrights.org/2015/10/07/forking-with-hypocrisy/ | Oct 13 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Don’t Look at Linux For Sexism, Look at Microsoft (Although Microsoft Hides the Newest Lawsuits) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o0355 ] | Oct 13 12:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o035a ] | Oct 13 12:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686740 | Oct 13 12:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FSF: The party is over... but the fight for freedom is ready for another thirty years http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/the-party-is-over-but-the-fight-for-freedom-is-ready-for-another-thirty-years #fsf | Oct 13 12:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org | The party is over... but the fight for freedom is ready for another thirty years — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/nyya8 ] | Oct 13 12:37 | |
| schestowitz | "Hmm, I thought the FSF announced it and I shared some of that." | Oct 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Hardly noticed in blogs, let alone in the media... | Oct 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697076 | Oct 13 12:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #france doesn't like #freespeech (forget #paris charade). France one of the worst in Europe. Blocks even sites about eating disorders. | Oct 13 12:43 | |
| schestowitz | "Unfortunatelly … I’m in shame for my country." | Oct 13 12:43 |
| schestowitz | "Sadly…" | Oct 13 12:44 |
| schestowitz | UK also pretty bad... filtered one of my sites... about FOSS! | Oct 13 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/653980142369402880 | Oct 13 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Et les français? @axellelemaire | Oct 13 18:09 | |
| schestowitz | [05:19] <cubexyz> umm, techrights seems unacessible atm | Oct 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | too much traffic today, due to epo articles | Oct 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | cited in the media | Oct 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/653980988079501313 | Oct 13 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Unfortunate that @johnalty1 will not be meeting staff. | Oct 13 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | just needs to know what's going on at #epo http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Oct 13 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Oct 13 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | [01:18] <msb_> MinceR is a depressed paranoid schizophrenic who refuses to get any help. | Oct 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | No personal insults here | Oct 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | It's counterproductive to the goals | Oct 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | none at all, no sir! | Oct 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | and petty | Oct 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | [01:14] <cubexyz> Russia's policy is it reserves the right to use nuclear weapons "in response to a large-scale conventional agression" | Oct 13 18:14 |
| schestowitz | [01:14] <cubexyz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use | Oct 13 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | No first use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzvwz ] | Oct 13 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | That's what the US did in Japan | Oct 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Even though it was already winning the war | Oct 13 18:15 |
| schestowitz | [19:13] <msb_> If you see an article on fossforce promoting DRM, add a comment to the article explaining why it's so bad. Include a link to techrights. | Oct 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | People did this already | Oct 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | (at the time) | Oct 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they even had her change her mind, who knows....? | Oct 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Oct 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I need to catch up with linux news pretty badly... | Oct 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | spent all day on patent articles.. | Oct 13 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/653982648449167360 | Oct 13 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: A quick line ABOUT that, please ! https://t.co/GRjF0OfoXQ | Oct 13 18:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Before #uefi attacks on computing freedom http://t.co/dHnIe9xtxm http://t.co/qBkwRQKxS3 #intel #backdoor | Oct 13 18:21 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Perhaps you could tell MinceR to avoid personal insults like these three: "<MinceR> msb_ is a fascist who refuses to stop pushing putin's propaganda." "<MinceR> msb_ wants us all to be enslaved and/or killed by putin" " <MinceR> msb_ supports the destruction of human rights and freedoms while claiming he doesn't support that." | Oct 13 18:27 |
| MinceR | i wonder which of those lines came first | Oct 13 18:27 |
| MinceR | again, msb_ doesn't let the facts stand in the way of his argumentation | Oct 13 18:27 |
| MinceR | (wouldn't call it reasoning, as there's no reason involved) | Oct 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | msb_: you both agree on systemd | Oct 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | and I do too | Oct 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | so let's try to stay focused on tech | Oct 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | for other topic -- other IRC channels | Oct 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | it's tech-rights | Oct 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | not russia-rights | Oct 13 18:38 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Is that directed to MinceR as well as to me, or only to me? | Oct 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | he's not the one bringing it up | Oct 13 18:40 |
| schestowitz | it's you | Oct 13 18:40 |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: MinceR introduced Putin into a brief discussion about religion: "[10/11/15 14:19] <MinceR> yes, let's confuse agriculture with religion" "<MinceR> confusion works in putin's favor, after all" | Oct 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | religion is also not relevant to technology | Oct 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | and neither is agriculture | Oct 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | you brought both of them up | Oct 13 18:46 |
| msb_ | I brought them up after mention of the TPP, in a far-reaching statement about the control of humanity by psychopaths. | Oct 13 18:48 |
| MinceR | and yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness | Oct 13 18:50 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You have spewed out yet another lying personal attack. "<MinceR> and yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness" Please quote a statement from me to justify your lie. | Oct 13 18:53 |
| MinceR | 164837 < msb_> The men say that freedom of speech entitles game creators to make games that victimize women, and entitles game players to play and enjoy them. | Oct 13 18:54 |
| MinceR | 165029 < msb_> The problem is, that humans are programmable by speech and video, and they can be programmed into psychopath behaviors like rape, torture, and murder. | Oct 13 18:54 |
| MinceR | Some speech has consequences -- yelling "fire" in a crowded theater -- so freedom of speech requires some limitations. | Oct 13 18:54 |
| MinceR | i know you will ignore this, and i will not quote it again. | Oct 13 18:54 |
| msb_ | I went on to say that game creators and game reviewers should self-limit their creation and approval of games that victimize women. I did not in any way "come out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness", as you lied that I did. | Oct 13 18:57 |
| MinceR | the context was the UN plotting global censorship on behalf of the SJWs | Oct 13 18:58 |
| msb_ | Which is totally different from people _self-limiting speech_ that encourages attacks on women. | Oct 13 18:59 |
| MinceR | right, chilling effects, self-censorship and "socially acceptable" bullying are A-OK | Oct 13 19:01 |
| msb_ | There is also the principle that the remedy for evil speech is more speech condemning it. In this case, feminists should publicly shame those who create and approve of games that encourage the victimization of women. | Oct 13 19:02 |
| MinceR | that's better, yes | Oct 13 19:02 |
| MinceR | but that's not where the UN and the SJWs are going | Oct 13 19:02 |
| msb_ | Only governments can create "chilling effects". And public disaproval and shaming of those who encourage rape, torture and murder of women is _not_ "bullying". | Oct 13 19:03 |
| msb_ | While encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women _is_ bullying. | Oct 13 19:04 |
| MinceR | public disapproval and shaming of those who use neutral words you think are evil is bullying | Oct 13 19:05 |
| MinceR | for example: http://www.ghacks.net/2015/10/11/bro-file-extension-offensive-changed-to-br-instead/ | Oct 13 19:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Bro file extension offensive, changed to Br instead - gHacks Tech News [ http://ur1.ca/o07j6 ] | Oct 13 19:05 | |
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| MinceR | seeing encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women into everything also makes a fine starting point for bullying | Oct 13 19:06 |
| MinceR | bullying those who play video games because they play video games is also not acceptable | Oct 13 19:06 |
| MinceR | SJWs do the exact things they're allegedly against | Oct 13 19:06 |
| MinceR | oh, and campaigning to place women into a superior social position to men is not feminism, it's chauvinism | Oct 13 19:07 |
| MinceR | and it's no better than when it's done the other way around | Oct 13 19:07 |
| MinceR | and now, msb_ rages... | Oct 13 19:07 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Let's see how many lies you've just told: 1. "public disapproval and shaming of those who use neutral words you think are evil is bullying" The words I used were "rape, torture, and murder of women". MinceR: Do you think of these as "neutral words"? | Oct 13 19:09 |
| MinceR | how do you survive in the usa without speaking the language? | Oct 13 19:09 |
| msb_ | Lie #2: "seeing encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women into everything also makes a fine starting point for bullying". Neither I nor SJWs do this. | Oct 13 19:10 |
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| msb_ | Lie #3: "bullying those who play video games because they play video games is also not acceptable" Nobody does this. Many disapprove of playing video games that encourage the rape, torture, and murder of women. That is a _subset_ of video games, not all of them. | Oct 13 19:12 |
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| MinceR | ah, so we should ask msb_ which video games we're allowed to play | Oct 13 19:13 |
| msb_ | Lie #4: "campaigning to place women into a superior social position to men" Nobody does that. Feminists/SJW say that men should not attack women. | Oct 13 19:13 |
| MinceR | that's totally not fascist | Oct 13 19:13 |
| MinceR | apparently they also say that women should attack men | Oct 13 19:14 |
| msb_ | Lie #5 "ah, so we should ask msb_ which video games we're allowed to play" I never said that people should not be allowed to play video games that victimize women. I said they should be criticized and shamed if they do. | Oct 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | they should be bullied, fired from their jobs and jailed, but not disallowed. got it. | Oct 13 19:16 |
| msb_ | Lie #6 "they should be bullied, fired from their jobs and jailed, but not disallowed. got it." If a person tells others that he enjoys simulated rape, torture and murder of women, then people should try to discourage him (non-violently), as that may save women's lives. If an employee publicly admits such enjoyment, his employer may reasonably fire him to protect the women in the workplace. Only government can jail people. | Oct 13 19:25 |
| msb_ | Discouragement and firing are not "disallowing" the sadist from playing the games, but are making him face the reasonable consequences of publicly advocating rape, torture and murder. | Oct 13 19:25 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I have just publicly exposed and shamed you for telling six lies. Why don't you stop attacking me? | Oct 13 19:28 |
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| MinceR | you have just told a series of lies and misconceptions based on your lack of understanding of the language and the brainwashing you've received | Oct 13 19:30 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you stop crapflooding this channel? | Oct 13 19:30 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you stop diverting this channel off topic? | Oct 13 19:30 |
| MinceR | i know Roy wants to keep you around, i just can't find out why | Oct 13 19:30 |
| msb_ | MinceR: It was _you_ who crapflooded and diverted this channel with this statement out of the blue: "10:51] <MinceR> and yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness". | Oct 13 19:32 |
| msb_ | When I refuted that lie, you spewed out more lies. | Oct 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | apparently msb_ doesn't know what "flood" means either | Oct 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | you did not refute any lies | Oct 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | you spewed all the lies | Oct 13 19:35 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Why don't you restrict your attacks on me to a personal message channel? I will ignore them, and no one else will have to see them. | Oct 13 19:38 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you? | Oct 13 19:39 |
| MinceR | msb_: why don't you take your putinist madness to another channel? | Oct 13 19:40 |
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| msb_ | MinceR: Do you consider opposition to violence against women to be "putinist madness" ? | Oct 13 19:43 |
| MinceR | no | Oct 13 19:44 |
| MinceR | but putinist madness was the main theme of your crapflooding this channel until the UN plot for global censorship was mentioned | Oct 13 19:44 |
| MinceR | now you seem to be primarily crapflooding with SJW propaganda | Oct 13 19:45 |
| msb_ | MinceR: When you lie about me, I refute it. Then you lie about me again and I refute that one also. Then you lie again... This creates a flood. | Oct 13 19:46 |
| MinceR | no, that's not what creates a flood | Oct 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheOrderRebel/status/654005412618981378 | Oct 13 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheOrderRebel: @schestowitz @All4Privacy Kind of makes me want to get rid of my facebook...like, right now. | Oct 13 19:49 | |
| MinceR | getting rid of dumbFuckBook is always a good ide | Oct 13 19:50 |
| MinceR | a | Oct 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | do you use wiki search? | Oct 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | One of your links recently indicated this | Oct 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | wikia? | Oct 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | I still use ixquick, for now... | Oct 13 19:51 |
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| MinceR | http://ur1.ca/o08g5 | Oct 13 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@aral: Erdoğan: “If I was a dictator, they couldn’t insult me.” ‘Since 2015, 213 arrests for insulting the president.’ https://t.co/MwV559FJ2M | Oct 13 20:08 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@biliyormusuncom: Erdoğan: "Ben diktatör olsam bana hakaret edemezlerdi." 2015 itibariyle CB'ye hakaretten tutuklananların sayısı 213. Biliyor musun? | Oct 13 20:08 | |
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| schestowitz | "Yeah. I was surprised to learn that one of Nouveau’s main developers works for Intel." | Oct 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6699751 | Oct 13 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Oct 13 20:41 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654024931055828992 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654024977214144512 | Oct 13 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz fuck sakes, man. The first step to correcting a problem, is admitting it is a problem. Just because it exists, doesn't mean | Oct 13 21:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz that it is okay. | Oct 13 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | the problem is bigger than Linux. Sharp would be wise to take on her employer ($), Intel, for its notorious support of sexism. Linux an easy target. | Oct 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654025847037292544 | Oct 13 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz totally agreed. But what I mean to say is that just because it happens elsewhere, doesn't make it OK to ignore it in any case | Oct 13 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | All the debate is in Linux site, detracting and hurting the Linux brand. She didnt' quit an employer. | Oct 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | *sites | Oct 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | All the debate is in Linux sites, detracting and hurting the Linux brand. She didn't quit an employer. | Oct 13 21:10 |
| MinceR | just as m$, crApple and the SJW troll army wanted | Oct 13 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Cherry-picking (hypocritically) sexism and LGBT rights a common trick in foreign policy (maligning others). See the recent visit of Obama to Africa. | Oct 13 21:11 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux enables people to communicate at a much higher standard of security, therefore it must be destroyed | Oct 13 21:11 |
| MinceR | and so we have systemd, garrettux and debian 8 | Oct 13 21:11 |
| schestowitz | It's not uncommon for the US/UK to berate invaded/looted countries over women's rights | Oct 13 21:12 |
| MinceR | and various attacks on other free software projects too | Oct 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | yeah... | Oct 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | socially-engineering FOSS | Oct 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | (corporations) | Oct 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654026721876836356 | Oct 13 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz yep, ikr. But now Linux is in spotlight, can't just ignore the problems/carry on as normal, need to deal with them. | Oct 13 21:13 | |
| MinceR | (like demanding XY to be blocked from a free software project for comments made on social media that offended some people, without any offers to take over their work or contribute in any way) | Oct 13 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | who's huggi? | Oct 13 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillance | Oct 13 21:16 |
| cubexyz | if you think the Linux environment is toxic, just imagine what the Microsoft environment is like | Oct 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it | Oct 13 21:18 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/10/11/microsoft-sexism-lawsuits/ | Oct 13 21:18 |
| schestowitz | two days ago | Oct 13 21:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Don’t Look at Linux For Sexism, Look at Microsoft (Although Microsoft Hides the Newest Lawsuits) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o0355 ] | Oct 13 21:18 | |
| MinceR | i can imagine it, but it's mostly kept secret | Oct 13 21:19 |
| MinceR | so gullible people believe everything is just peachy there | Oct 13 21:19 |
| cubexyz | that Xbox incident comes to mind | Oct 13 21:19 |
| cubexyz | immature trash talk | Oct 13 21:21 |
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| cubexyz | people leave Micrsoft all the time | Oct 13 21:25 |
| cubexyz | s/Micrsoft/Microsoft/ | Oct 13 21:25 |
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| cubexyz | Mark Lukovsky comes to mind :) | Oct 13 21:27 |
| cubexyz | Ballmer was going to "bury Eric Schmidt" | Oct 13 21:29 |
| cubexyz | can't get much more toxic than Ballmer | Oct 13 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654035280370925568 | Oct 13 21:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Go to NZ Armageddon and get Microsoft sponsored tattoos, free! Hey @schestowitz this is right up your alley. https://t.co/pBnmSGV3eg | Oct 13 21:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PhidMcAwesome: .@retroDoomer they look pretty cool.... http://t.co/HmRpuINXzP | Oct 13 21:49 | |
| schestowitz | Next comes the virus | Oct 13 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Another one http://techrights.org/2015/10/13/the-rpo-tumour/ | Oct 13 21:50 |
| schestowitz | And another one on its way... working on it..... till I'm too tired. | Oct 13 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Lobbies for the Unitary Patent (UPC) and Uses This to Advance Software Patents in Europe | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o09tq ] | Oct 13 21:51 | |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: "I am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillance" Isn't this channel publicly accessible? How can there be a mole? | Oct 13 23:27 |
| msb_ | If I may counter the doom-and-gloom, Devuan Linux is already being used in alpha state, including by a person here. Once it's declared fully ready, concerns about "systemd, garrettux and debian 8" will go away. And for people who want to buy a new desktop, I've found an excellent cheap fast AMD 8-core CPU FX-8350 and a superb mobo in which UEFI/secure-boot can easily be turned off. I should soon receive info from AMD that will | Oct 13 23:46 |
| msb_ | prevent intrusions using the DASH system with a $50 SBC custom open-source router (if the FX-8350 even _has_ the DASH system). So with the help of cubexyz and others, we'll have a secure Linux and a secure platform to run it on. Life is good! | Oct 13 23:46 |
| MinceR | they won't go away | Oct 13 23:47 |
| MinceR | it will be an ongoing battle | Oct 13 23:47 |
| MinceR | especially once Linus loses control of Linux somehow | Oct 13 23:48 |
| msb_ | If he does, the current state of the kernel can simply be saved and used into the future. As to systemd, etc, there are always lousy alternatives, like windows. But all that's needed is one _good_ alternative, like Devuan, and smart people can make the good choice, and others will follow. | Oct 13 23:50 |
| MinceR | consider how microsoft kept (and still keeps) trying to keep their competition off the market | Oct 13 23:50 |
| MinceR | redcrap is already employing similar tactics | Oct 13 23:50 |
| msb_ | One can always find a dire negative possibility in anything and everything. If one focusses on that, one will be miserable and frightened. But if one focusses on the positive possibilities, and how to make them work, then life is a beautiful happy adventure. It's up to you! | Oct 13 23:53 |
| MinceR | “It’s not safe to hope for the best without preparing for the worst.” | Oct 13 23:53 |
| MinceR | we can't win the fight against lendows if we deny that the fight is happening | Oct 13 23:54 |
| msb_ | Of course you don't deny it. You present the good alternative and explain the differences. And expose the evil tactics of RedHat, etc. | Oct 13 23:55 |
| MinceR | you also need to deal with lock-in injected into applications you use | Oct 13 23:57 |
| msb_ | You have to prepare for the best, not just hope for it. | Oct 13 23:57 |
| MinceR | and of course there are and will be attacks on the free software we use | Oct 13 23:57 |
| MinceR | in part to try and prop up lendows | Oct 13 23:57 |
| msb_ | If you mean apps dependent on systemd, presumably Devuan is patching or shimming those. | Oct 13 23:58 |
| MinceR | hopefully | Oct 13 23:58 |
| MinceR | funtoo's doing that too | Oct 13 23:58 |
| MinceR | but the opposition will increase | Oct 13 23:58 |
| MinceR | look at the dirty tricks m$ has done over the years. expect redcrap to bring out all of those and some new ones too. | Oct 13 23:59 |
| msb_ | Basically Free Software _can't_ be successfully attacked! Because it's free and infinitely accessible all over the Earth. It _can't_ be suppressed! | Oct 13 23:59 |
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| MinceR | debian has already been taken away from us | Oct 14 00:00 |
| msb_ | Devuan takes all that's good in Debian and fixes the rest. | Oct 14 00:01 |
| cubexyz | my advice is to get a non-DASH motherboard | Oct 14 00:02 |
| cubexyz | for starters | Oct 14 00:02 |
| msb_ | As to "the dirty tricks m$ has done over the years", what has it gotten them? With windows 10 their company is going down the drain, severely criticized everywhere. While Linux is thriving, and as soon as Devuan is ready, Linux will be purified. | Oct 14 00:03 |
| MinceR | it has gotten them Restricted Boot | Oct 14 00:04 |
| MinceR | and the anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws aren't enforced | Oct 14 00:04 |
| MinceR | we're being locked out of our own computers | Oct 14 00:04 |
| MinceR | that's what it has gotten them | Oct 14 00:04 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: We don't know at this point whether DASH can be enabled without BIOS support. | Oct 14 00:04 |
| msb_ | MinceR: But the _actual fact_ is that Linux isn't locked out of _any_ computers. | Oct 14 00:05 |
| cubexyz | msb_, I wouldn't say that | Oct 14 00:05 |
| cubexyz | Linux is locked out on Windows ARM computers | Oct 14 00:06 |
| cubexyz | some folks are having problems disabling secure boot | Oct 14 00:06 |
| msb_ | Yes, we talked about that and you said their bios was not up to date. | Oct 14 00:07 |
| cubexyz | that's part of it | Oct 14 00:07 |
| cubexyz | do you think Linux is going to be easily loadable on that new Microsoft Laptop? | Oct 14 00:07 |
| cubexyz | it's dubious at best | Oct 14 00:07 |
| msb_ | brb You guys can piss and moan among yourselves. | Oct 14 00:07 |
| msb_ | So never buy anything from microshit. Doctor, it hurts when I go like this. So don't go like that! | Oct 14 00:08 |
| cubexyz | you still need to be aware of the situation | Oct 14 00:08 |
| cubexyz | people need to know what to avoid | Oct 14 00:09 |
| msb_ | Yep, and its up to us to tell them. We are the heroes we've been waiting for! | Oct 14 00:09 |
| cubexyz | we don't really know what the exactly situation is for surface books | Oct 14 00:10 |
| cubexyz | eventually hackers will find a way though | Oct 14 00:10 |
| cubexyz | how difficult it will be, that's the question | Oct 14 00:10 |
| msb_ | So, there's one kind of new computer that people should avoid. Big Deal. | Oct 14 00:11 |
| cubexyz | if someone asks me if they can run Linux on surface book, I don't have an answer | Oct 14 00:11 |
| msb_ | Yes you do. Tell them to buy something else instead. | Oct 14 00:12 |
| MinceR | afaik winblows x86 tablets tend to have a broken 32bit uefi implementation that tends to make it an even greater pain in the ass to run linux on them | Oct 14 00:12 |
| cubexyz | I say buy MSI, Gigabyte or Chromebooks | Oct 14 00:13 |
| cubexyz | maybe Tyan, still researching that | Oct 14 00:13 |
| msb_ | ASUS is good too. | Oct 14 00:13 |
| MinceR | also, the reason m$ didn't completely kill gnu/linux is that we the people opposed them | Oct 14 00:14 |
| cubexyz | I managed to get some good search done on Award BIOS last night, made some good progress | Oct 14 00:15 |
| MinceR | for the same reason, we'll need to oppose redcrap as well | Oct 14 00:15 |
| cubexyz | s/search/research/ | Oct 14 00:15 |
| msb_ | Make sure that when you make a recommendation, you clearly and fully tell them how fast it runs. Many people want a fast computer, and if you send those toward a slow one they will be very pissed and will hate Linux. | Oct 14 00:16 |
| cubexyz | for distros I'm going Q4OS, OpenBSD, AntiX, etc | Oct 14 00:16 |
| cubexyz | you can get an i7 chromebook if you want | Oct 14 00:17 |
| msb_ | We need a non-systemd distro that has a large staff so it can keep up with the latest apps, which people want. | Oct 14 00:17 |
| cubexyz | personally I think it's too expensive, but some folks got money so... | Oct 14 00:17 |
| msb_ | Many folks have limited money. | Oct 14 00:17 |
| msb_ | brb | Oct 14 00:17 |
| cubexyz | chromebooks have a sub-$300 option | Oct 14 00:18 |
| cubexyz | it's affordable | Oct 14 00:18 |
| cubexyz | there's no DASH | Oct 14 00:18 |
| cubexyz | coreboot firmware | Oct 14 00:18 |
| cubexyz | I have customers I never thought in a million years would use Linux, but they seem to like chromebooks | Oct 14 00:19 |
| cubexyz | that's a huge shift in thinking | Oct 14 00:19 |
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| MinceR | we seem to have lost a lot of staff to cancerd | Oct 14 00:21 |
| cubexyz | there's three different tiers: | Oct 14 00:23 |
| cubexyz | hardware | Oct 14 00:23 |
| cubexyz | BIOS | Oct 14 00:23 |
| cubexyz | Operating System | Oct 14 00:24 |
| cubexyz | you really need to know all three to get the most of out of one's computer | Oct 14 00:24 |
| cubexyz | I'm still learning stuff about my Tyan motherboard from 1998 | Oct 14 00:25 |
| cubexyz | I thought msb_ would like Q4OS since it comes with trinity repos | Oct 14 00:28 |
| cubexyz | seems a decent choice | Oct 14 00:28 |
| cubexyz | but not for very old hardware (14 years or more) | Oct 14 00:28 |
| cubexyz | assuming you have a P4 or faster, it's OK | Oct 14 00:29 |
| cubexyz | on the BSD side, OpenBSD or PC-BSD | Oct 14 00:30 |
| MinceR | no netbsd? | Oct 14 00:30 |
| cubexyz | not sure what the status is for netbsd to be honest | Oct 14 00:32 |
| cubexyz | The advantage of NetBSD used to be that it ran on everything | Oct 14 00:32 |
| MinceR | afaik its advantages also include virtualization, LKM support and no consorting with launchd and similar garbage | Oct 14 00:33 |
| cubexyz | it's not the leanest distro out there, but if you have 24 megs of ram or more it's OK | Oct 14 00:35 |
| cubexyz | OpenBSD focuses more on security, NetBSD focuses more on portability | Oct 14 00:37 |
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| cubexyz | do I recommend people running Linux and BSD, depending on the situation? Definitely | Oct 14 00:37 |
| cubexyz | for non-x86 NetBSD is probably the best choice | Oct 14 00:41 |
| MinceR | afaik linux still runs on more architectures than netbsd | Oct 14 00:42 |
| MinceR | but if redcrap has their way, this will change | Oct 14 00:42 |
| cubexyz | PC-BSD is strictly x86-64 | Oct 14 00:42 |
| cubexyz | didn't redhat already drop a bunch of architectures? | Oct 14 00:44 |
| MinceR | dunno, debian started dropping stuff left and right ever since they decided they'll force systemd on their users | Oct 14 00:45 |
| cubexyz | hard to keep away from x86 :) | Oct 14 00:48 |
| cubexyz | there's ARM based chromebooks of course | Oct 14 00:49 |
| cubexyz | did you know that chromium OS is based on Gentoo? | Oct 14 00:50 |
| cubexyz | http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-secret-origins-of-googles-chrome-os/ | Oct 14 00:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | The secret origins of Google's Chrome OS | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/o0cpf ] | Oct 14 00:52 | |
| cubexyz | Google liked Portage it seems | Oct 14 00:56 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: How big is the Q4OS staff? Do they keep up with the latest apps? | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | [23:27] <msb_> schestowitz: "I am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillance" Isn't this channel publicly accessible? How can there be a mole? | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Real time | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | i know for a fact they read logs | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | based on leaked information | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | but I don't want them to see what's planned in real time | Oct 14 01:12 |
| schestowitz | as it can help them crush the staff | Oct 14 01:13 |
| schestowitz | (i use alternative channels for EPO-related comms) | Oct 14 01:13 |
| schestowitz | If we derail EPO, whose special partner turns out to be Microsoft (in IT and as kickbacking applicant), we can stop Microsoft amassing software patents to attack Linux in Europe | Oct 14 01:14 |
| schestowitz | I think we're winning two battles here | Oct 14 01:14 |
| schestowitz | one against software patents | Oct 14 01:14 |
| schestowitz | and another against the criminals (MicrosofT) | Oct 14 01:14 |
| msb_ | How can you tell who is here? There are two Guestxxxx. | Oct 14 01:14 |
| schestowitz | maybe they are staff lurking | Oct 14 01:14 |
| schestowitz | so either way, there are unknowns here | Oct 14 01:15 |
| schestowitz | there are often moles infiltrating staff unions | Oct 14 01:15 |
| schestowitz | to spy, to bust, or to act of provocatuers | Oct 14 01:15 |
| schestowitz | *eurs | Oct 14 01:15 |
| schestowitz | I think i have a big target on my arse right now | Oct 14 01:15 |
| schestowitz | big protest tomorrow in munich and I'm the main source the staff is citing for info, along perhaps with IP Kat | Oct 14 01:16 |
| cubexyz | Q4OS is based on Debian Wheezy, and they even offer preinstalled computers with Q4OS and paid support | Oct 14 01:17 |
| msb_ | More important -- look out for your personal safety. Watch for cars following you, etc. Remember, the govts/corps have murdered millions in the last 15 years alone. | Oct 14 01:17 |
| cubexyz | no idea how many people are behind it | Oct 14 01:17 |
| cubexyz | http://www.q4os.org/shop/ | Oct 14 01:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.q4os.org | Q4OS Store | Oct 14 01:17 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Bullet-proof vest might be a good idea. | Oct 14 01:18 |
| MinceR | combat armor | Oct 14 01:18 |
| cubexyz | I've largely done my own support of FC1 since 2003 so the support thing isn't a big deal to me | Oct 14 01:19 |
| cubexyz | certain project maintainers still support the old stuff, at least security-wise | Oct 14 01:19 |
| cubexyz | Q4OS does have fixes for problems that were in KDE 3.5.10 | Oct 14 01:20 |
| schestowitz | msb_: lol | Oct 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | leave that to battistelli | Oct 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | he has had personal bodyguards for a while | Oct 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | more than one | Oct 14 01:25 |
| MinceR | power armor would be nice | Oct 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | I have my alibi (rianne) | Oct 14 01:30 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 14 01:30 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: the democratic debate intro was literally a professional sports intro | Oct 14 02:02 |
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| MinceR | :) | Oct 14 02:05 |
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| schestowitz | XFaCE: do who 'won'? | Oct 14 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Did that arse, Clinton, lose the crowd to Sanders? | Oct 14 02:47 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: dunno, stopped watching after ROFLOL at that intro | Oct 14 02:49 |
| MinceR | did they invite Lessig at all? | Oct 14 02:50 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: also the canadian election has given me an allergy to debates | Oct 14 02:50 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 14 02:50 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: I'm sure Trinity DE will have a version for Devuan when it's ready. Did not get any docs from AMD re DASH, past their deadline, will call them again tomorrow. | Oct 14 05:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/slothygeek/status/654229749796106240 | Oct 14 10:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@slothygeek: Hello @schestowitz I made a list of 6 Raspberry Pi Youtube channels for beginners. Check out and comment please :) http://t.co/HUh8NmJc5F | Oct 14 10:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.slothygeek.com | 6 Youtube Channels For Beginner Raspberry Pi Users | Tutorials | Oct 14 10:42 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/h4ck3rm1k3/status/654255525878726656 | Oct 14 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@h4ck3rm1k3: @schestowitz I switched back to #debian a long time ago and am very happy. | Oct 14 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JayVuppuluri/status/654256779598143488 | Oct 14 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JayVuppuluri: RT https://t.co/P3s38oOJfn | Oct 14 12:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The University of Manchester, where I studied, is now attacking #freespeech http://t.co/YsZCB2Hp8J http://t.co/1fOOqmFinO #gop | Oct 14 12:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/h4ck3rm1k3/status/654261136737587200 | Oct 14 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@h4ck3rm1k3: @schestowitz How do you post to all these networks automatically? | Oct 14 12:48 | |
| schestowitz | I just post to diaspora, which then sends a copy to twitter... | Oct 14 12:48 |
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| msb_ | I used handbrake to convert a 926MB 720p video to a 370MB 360p. Took 30 minutes and result was great! Heated both cores to 70C. Maybe if I blow the dust out again,.. | Oct 14 13:01 |
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| msb_ | great. To make an x265 -- half the size -- it's gonna take more than 8 hours. That | Oct 14 13:17 |
| msb_ | That's why people need 8 cores. | Oct 14 13:18 |
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| msb_ | Back to mp4, 540x304, 25 minutes. Should be 260MB. | Oct 14 13:41 |
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| msb_ | Nothing yet from AMD regarding DASH. Cust svc says should rcv by tomorrow. | Oct 14 19:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Q4OS 1.4.3, Orion http://t.co/YLYNOLRov7 | Oct 14 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (q4os.org) | Oct 14 21:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-q4os.org | Q4OS - desktop operating system | Oct 14 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Krita 2.9.8 released https://t.co/PvXbT240sv | Oct 14 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (krita.org) | Oct 14 21:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org | Krita 2.9.8 | Krita | Oct 14 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LightZone 4.1.3 Has Been Released | Oct 14 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/dyla7FWhf6 (linuxg.net) | Oct 14 21:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13% | Oct 14 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/P7zLvnjrNK (www.geeky-gadgets.com) | Oct 14 21:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FFmpeg 2.8.1 "Feynman" Arrives with Multiple | Oct 14 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fixes http://news.softFFmpeg 2.8.1 "Feynman" | Oct 14 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arrives with Multiple Fixes | Oct 14 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EUtOhzuM6A (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 14 21:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | LightZone 4.1.3 Has Been Released | LinuxG.net | Oct 14 21:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeky-gadgets.com | VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13% | Oct 14 21:58 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | FFmpeg 2.8.1 "Feynman" Arrives with Multiple Fixes - Softpedia | Oct 14 21:58 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Krita 2.9.8 http://t.co/jqopFlQn4j | Oct 14 22:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 2.9.8 | Tux Machines | Oct 14 22:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13% | Oct 14 22:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/aws0bPNGuN (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 14 22:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13% | Tux Machines | Oct 14 22:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SFLC Confronts FCC, OSI Supports GPL | Oct 14 22:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enforcement Principles http://t.co/tjRDRsCjbW | Oct 14 22:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 14 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SFLC Confronts FCC, OSI Supports GPL Enforcement Principles | Tux Machines | Oct 14 22:35 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704042 | Oct 14 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ubuntu 15.10 Might Ship with a Couple of Annoying Trash-Related Bugs http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-10-might-ship-with-a-couple-of-annoying-trash-related-bugs-494518.shtml #gnu #linux | Oct 14 22:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Might Ship with a Couple of Annoying Trash-Related Bugs - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/o0uwz ] | Oct 14 22:41 | |
| schestowitz | "Deception on Ubuntu 15.10 until now… http://libuntu.net/2015/10/11/hasta-los-momentos-ubuntu-15-10-decepciona/ " | Oct 14 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libuntu.net | Hasta los momentos, Ubuntu 15.10 decepciona | Libuntu - Linux, OpenSource, Software Libre y Mas [ http://ur1.ca/o0ux1 ] | Oct 14 22:42 | |
| cubexyz | the official word from Linus on BIOS: | Oct 14 23:03 |
| cubexyz | - the BIOS is written mostly in assembly - the BIOS is tested exclusively with DOS and Windows - most BIOS writers appear to simply be incompetent, or just not care. | Oct 14 23:03 |
| cubexyz | so yes, Linux tries very hard to avoid BIOS calls | Oct 14 23:03 |
| cubexyz | but Linux does not avoid BIOS calls all together | Oct 14 23:04 |
| cubexyz | some are still used | Oct 14 23:04 |
| cubexyz | however, Linux also does a few things wrong which the BIOS does correctly | Oct 14 23:05 |
| cubexyz | the real trick is knowing which one is right, it differs from case to case | Oct 14 23:05 |
| XFaCE | yo schestowitz | Oct 14 23:16 |
| XFaCE | funny on the sarah sharp follow-up articles | Oct 14 23:17 |
| XFaCE | the guy who "agreed" with you, completely missed the point entirely | Oct 14 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | who? | Oct 14 23:27 |
| schestowitz | gamergate not mentioned? | Oct 14 23:28 |
| XFaCE | http://ostatic.com/blog/linux-discussion-continues-fedora-welcomes-chromium | Oct 14 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Linux Discussion Continues, Fedora Welcomes Chromium [ http://ur1.ca/o0vl4 ] | Oct 14 23:29 | |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: "He agreed with Dr. Roy Schestowitz in that all this is a "PR nightmare" threatening the "flagship of the open-source movement." He placed part of the blame on what he calls the "Internet of hate"" | Oct 14 23:29 |
| XFaCE | he took your comments out of context and made you look like you agreed with increasing political correctness basically | Oct 14 23:30 |
| XFaCE | even though you said specifically | Oct 14 23:30 |
| XFaCE | ""This outburst against Linux has nothing to do with women’s rights or manners. There is no threat of violence (as once alleged) and there is no language directly offensive to women (no more than it can be offensive to men). Some people have too thin a skin, especially where free speech is highly valued."" | Oct 14 23:30 |
| schestowitz | right... | Oct 14 23:30 |
| schestowitz | but never mind that... it's old news | Oct 14 23:30 |
| schestowitz | just got a tuxmanchines comment on this article | Oct 14 23:31 |
| schestowitz | e "Internet of hate"" | Oct 14 23:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rust programming language for speed, safety, | Oct 14 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and concurrency http://t.co/tYDcqXkXqE | Oct 14 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 14 23:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rust programming language for speed, safety, and concurrency | Tux Machines | Oct 14 23:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Oct 14 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/I2tVhXeIaK (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 14 23:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Tux Machines | Oct 14 23:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux | Oct 14 23:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Foundation, New CentOS http://t.co/saaNaWR79b | Oct 14 23:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Oct 14 23:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux Foundation, New CentOS | Techrights | Oct 14 23:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BeagleBoard-x15 to arrive in time for holiday | Oct 14 23:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | hacking http://t.co/twElpn4qFh | Oct 14 23:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Oct 14 23:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | BeagleBoard-X15 to arrive in time for holiday hacking · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 14 23:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to Android | Oct 14 23:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/vw7ilsAGi0 (www.yahoo.com) | Oct 14 23:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.yahoo.com | 6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to Android | Oct 14 23:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially Adding | Oct 14 23:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PlayOnLinux http://t.co/1V91xtoPhC | Oct 14 23:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Oct 14 23:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially Adding PlayOnLinux - Phoronix | Oct 14 23:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Oct 14 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WxhlBWlVFJ (www.linuxinsider.com) | Oct 14 23:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Oct 14 23:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines North Americans Love /Linux ON THE DESKTOP | Oct 14 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/qpjDwhfby3 (mrpogson.com) "/Linux | Oct 14 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | has ~5% share." | Oct 14 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | North Americans Love */Linux ON THE DESKTOP | Robert Pogson | Oct 14 23:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mangaka Chu Out Now as an Ubuntu | Oct 14 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Derivative for Anime and Manga Fans | Oct 14 23:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JlbnDqyTKO (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 14 23:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | NO TITLE | Oct 14 23:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsbarretto/status/654429905548132352 | Oct 14 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jsbarretto: @schestowitz But rising. Mobile market takeover too. There is no "year of Linux desktop", it's happening being the scenes. Look at Android. | Oct 14 23:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Software 3.18.1 Now Downloads Firmware | Oct 15 00:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Metadata Signatures Once Per Day | Oct 15 00:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/57w3xjLrrp (linux.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 00:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | NO TITLE | Oct 15 00:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qseven module runs Linux on Bay Trail, targets | Oct 15 00:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | industrial apps http://t.co/aP0QBclKZg | Oct 15 00:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Oct 15 00:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Qseven module runs Linux on Bay Trail, targets industrial apps · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 15 00:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o0w1l | Oct 15 00:01 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Mangaka Chu Out Now as an Ubuntu...' | Oct 15 00:01 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Software 3.18.1 Now Downloads Firmware Metadata Signatures...' | Oct 15 00:01 | |
| MinceR | http://www.itworld.com/article/2990861/linux/linux-sarah-sharp-defines-what-makes-a-good-community.html | Oct 15 00:12 |
| MinceR | http://www.itworld.com/article/2989588/linux/linux-is-sarah-sharp-a-social-justice-warrior.html | Oct 15 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Linux: Sarah Sharp defines what makes a good community | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o0w7d ] | Oct 15 00:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Linux: Is Sarah Sharp a Social Justice Warrior? | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o0w7f ] | Oct 15 00:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What I learned while securing Ubuntu | Oct 15 00:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LP1OWJt5BI (major.io) | Oct 15 00:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-major.io | What I learned while securing Ubuntu - major.io | Oct 15 00:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines It Walks like Windows, It Talks like Windows, | Oct 15 00:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | but Q4OS 1.4.3 Is a Linux Distro | Oct 15 00:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/4iNphYf8cC (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 00:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | NO TITLE | Oct 15 00:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark | Oct 15 00:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Brown http://t.co/YwqenxjJq3 (www.linux.com) | Oct 15 00:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark Brown | Linux.com | Oct 15 00:14 | |
| cubexyz | update on listening to CBC Radio on Linux: | Oct 15 00:28 |
| cubexyz | http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/search?q=CBC | Oct 15 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca | Notes on Linux | Oct 15 00:28 | |
| schestowitz | The Telegraph seems to have shut off its content. So it's unlikely I'll | Oct 15 00:37 |
| schestowitz | have any links to forward from them for the foreseeable future." | Oct 15 00:37 |
| schestowitz | iophk | Oct 15 00:37 |
| schestowitz | didn't notice this issue | Oct 15 00:37 |
| MinceR | http://www.preining.info/blog/2015/10/looking-at-the-facts-sarah-sharps-crusade/ | Oct 15 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Looking at the facts: Sarah Sharp’s crusade | There and back again [ http://ur1.ca/o0wlh ] | Oct 15 00:43 | |
| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 15 00:52:27 2015 | ||
| *Now talking on #techrights | Oct 15 00:52 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Oct 15 00:52 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Oct 15 00:52 | |
| MinceR | http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2015/10/13/tale-of-the-tape-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders | Oct 15 00:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Tale of the Tape: Hillary Clinton vs. Bernie Sanders | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/o0wud ] | Oct 15 01:01 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704875 | Oct 15 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Oct 15 01:12 | |
| schestowitz | "old and busted" | Oct 15 01:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fqxjv/status/654449282976628737 | Oct 15 01:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fqxjv: No, Hillary, Snowden did not have whistleblower protections http://t.co/AbqQEKIHb3 MT @schestowitz Spying & Fatherland Security are exempt | Oct 15 01:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.motherjones.com | No, Hillary, Edward Snowden Didn't Have Whistleblower Protections | Mother Jones | Oct 15 01:14 | |
| schestowitz | So now it will become another Maxim. I do not understand. In Japan they take care of covering pubic hair for their photos. What would stop them to have a non nude for the Chinese market and a “regular” one for the US one. | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | I think that Maxim and the ones from the same ilk are cannibalizing sales, than a problem with China. IMHO. | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704889 | Oct 15 01:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #China —not online porn—is why #Playboy is dumping nude photographs http://qz.com/522672/china-not-online-porn-is-why-playboy-is-dumping-nude-photographs/ | Oct 15 01:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> qz.com | China—not online porn—is why Playboy is dumping nude photographs - Quartz [ http://ur1.ca/o0x0x ] | Oct 15 01:16 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | So now it will become another Maxim. I do not understand. In Japan they take care of covering pubic hair for their photos. What would stop them to have a non nude for the Chinese market and a “regular” one for the US one. | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | I think that Maxim and the ones from the same ilk are cannibalizing sales, than a problem with China. IMHO. | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 15 01:16 |
| schestowitz | censoring bodies | Oct 15 01:16 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: censoring *everything | Oct 15 01:20 |
| cubexyz | regarding the Microsoft is being sneaky article... | Oct 15 01:21 |
| cubexyz | I always tell people if you must run windows then have separate computers for windows and linux | Oct 15 01:22 |
| cubexyz | don't try to run both on the same computer | Oct 15 01:22 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: "internet of hate", ugh | Oct 15 01:22 |
| XFaCE | fear monger everywhere \o/ | Oct 15 01:23 |
| cubexyz | on the other hand, I've never had a problem running FreeDOS and Linux on the same machine | Oct 15 01:24 |
| cubexyz | or Plan 9 and Linux | Oct 15 01:24 |
| XFaCE | cubexyz: what's Plan 9 like in modern times? | Oct 15 01:25 |
| cubexyz | it's pretty stagnant actually | Oct 15 01:26 |
| cubexyz | only works well on older hardware | Oct 15 01:26 |
| cubexyz | but I have older hardware, so no big problem | Oct 15 01:26 |
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| XFaCE | so a good 2005 OS? :P | Oct 15 01:27 |
| cubexyz | put it in a similar cateogory to ReactOS, AROS, and other research OSes | Oct 15 01:27 |
| XFaCE | ah | Oct 15 01:27 |
| cubexyz | I would probably say older than that | Oct 15 01:27 |
| cubexyz | use a computer with PS/2 ports for keyboard and mouse for sure | Oct 15 01:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Final Freeze https://t.co/SrF4L9lc6X | Oct 15 02:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2015-October/001687.html ) | Oct 15 02:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux | Oct 15 02:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Foundation, New CentOS http://t.co/saaNaWR79b | Oct 15 02:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (techrights.org) | Oct 15 02:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux Foundation, New CentOS | Techrights | Oct 15 02:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/AmuzigNa8L | Oct 15 02:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Oct 15 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/S8dyPzGTYb | Oct 15 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 15 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark | Oct 15 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Brown http://t.co/UPdRde92d9 | Oct 15 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark Brown | Tux Machines | Oct 15 02:22 | |
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| cubexyz | some baseline info on vPro: | Oct 15 04:08 |
| cubexyz | http://www.howtogeek.com/56538/how-to-remotely-control-your-pc-even-when-it-crashes/ | Oct 15 04:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | How to Remotely Control Your PC (Even When it Crashes) [ http://ur1.ca/o0z5j ] | Oct 15 04:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Free, open source alternatives to LastPass | Oct 15 04:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0EbOb3mQcg (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 04:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free, open source alternatives to LastPass | Tux Machines | Oct 15 04:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why open source is a safe choice for agencies | Oct 15 04:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/NaS7oHm4ZO (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 04:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why open source is a safe choice for agencies | Tux Machines | Oct 15 04:09 | |
| cubexyz | msb_, note you can get some info about vPro in the Ivy Bridge section | Oct 15 04:11 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Thanks! But at this point I'm focussing on AMD. | Oct 15 04:12 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/amd-dashconfig.pdf | Oct 15 04:18 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Amazing that howtogeek thinks AMT is a _good_ thing! | Oct 15 04:18 |
| cubexyz | the bad outweights the good I'd say | Oct 15 04:19 |
| cubexyz | it's like when major power plants started adding remote access to control panels | Oct 15 04:19 |
| cubexyz | they used be operated by physical switches only | Oct 15 04:19 |
| cubexyz | I guess if there was a bad crash and you wanted to remotely restart a computer, it could be useful | Oct 15 04:21 |
| cubexyz | but I don't think I ever want to reflash the BIOS remotely | Oct 15 04:22 |
| msb_ | You saw the page I found that explains how to wipe the hard drive remotely? | Oct 15 04:22 |
| cubexyz | no, I don't think I saw that | Oct 15 04:23 |
| cubexyz | probably a stolen laptop scenario | Oct 15 04:24 |
| msb_ | https://community.amd.com/ideas/1115 | Oct 15 04:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-community.amd.com | Remote Diskwipe Solution for IT Administrator | Community | Oct 15 04:24 | |
| cubexyz | is there a way to remove that facebook/twitter/print thing? | Oct 15 04:27 |
| msb_ | I think that very few people are 1. aware of the murderous psychopathy of the US government and its motivation to kill Net communication and 2. knowledgeable about methods it could do that like AMT and DASH. | Oct 15 04:27 |
| cubexyz | actually there was a WNED show about the NSA and stuxnet on TV tonight | Oct 15 04:27 |
| msb_ | Good, but people think things like stuxnet would never apply to them. | Oct 15 04:28 |
| cubexyz | but mostly it was presented in way that made NSA look like the good guys | Oct 15 04:28 |
| cubexyz | even had a Snowden interview about 'cyberwar' | Oct 15 04:29 |
| msb_ | Yeah. Israel has 400 nukes and has been committing genocide for 50 years, but preventing Iran from having one nuke is portrayed as good. | Oct 15 04:29 |
| cubexyz | ah, found a way to hide it | Oct 15 04:29 |
| msb_ | What are you talking about? | Oct 15 04:30 |
| cubexyz | there was a vertical strip on the left side of that community amd page you posted | Oct 15 04:30 |
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| cubexyz | maybe your browser is blocking it automatically | Oct 15 04:30 |
| msb_ | No. How did you do it? | Oct 15 04:31 |
| msb_ | It blocks some of the text. | Oct 15 04:31 |
| cubexyz | at the bottom there's a tiny greyish triangle | Oct 15 04:32 |
| cubexyz | click it and it hides the strip | Oct 15 04:32 |
| cubexyz | there's also another triangle higher up that brings it back | Oct 15 04:32 |
| msb_ | I don't see that. At the bottom is a cartoon of a printer. | Oct 15 04:34 |
| cubexyz | the bottom of the strip :) | Oct 15 04:35 |
| cubexyz | you may need to hover the mouse just under the print icon to see it | Oct 15 04:35 |
| msb_ | Got it! Had to use kmag to see it. | Oct 15 04:35 |
| msb_ | Very faint grey. | Oct 15 04:36 |
| cubexyz | exactly | Oct 15 04:36 |
| msb_ | I loathe social media! | Oct 15 04:36 |
| cubexyz | I don't like facebook, but all my old friends are on it | Oct 15 04:37 |
| cubexyz | note that DASH can view a BIOS screen remotely | Oct 15 04:38 |
| cubexyz | lots of scary potential | Oct 15 04:39 |
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| msb_ | Very few computer-savvy people are capable of understanding that the US govt destr0yed Afgh. Iraq, Libya, half of Syria, installed a Nazi govt in Ukraine, and murdered 2,000,000 people, all since 2001. Their eyes just glaze over and they change the subject. It's like they're under a post-hypnotic suggestion. They _can't_ think about it. | Oct 15 04:45 |
| msb_ | Anyhow that pdf on DASH is gold! The xml schemas toward the end even seem to have a port number. Maybe filtering out packets with that port# would do it! | Oct 15 04:47 |
| msb_ | Thanks! | Oct 15 04:47 |
| msb_ | It's gonna take me a while to study it though. Just the fact that it's all about windows programs makes me want to puke. | Oct 15 04:54 |
| cubexyz | Linus himself has remarked that BIOS development is windows-centric to a large degree | Oct 15 04:55 |
| cubexyz | of course, older BIOSes were DOS-centric | Oct 15 04:55 |
| msb_ | Here's a yahoo group: Necromocracy ! | Oct 15 04:57 |
| cubexyz | just for fun I'm going to have a look at http://award-bios.com | Oct 15 05:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-award-bios.com | Award Software and Phoenix Technologies Have Merged | Oct 15 05:00 | |
| msb_ | Found it: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/necromocracy/conversations/messages | Oct 15 05:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.yahoo.com | Yahoo! Groups [ http://ur1.ca/o0zoi ] | Oct 15 05:04 | |
| cubexyz | bad hackers could attack the firmware of your CDROM | Oct 15 05:11 |
| cubexyz | I think Dragos was talking about that | Oct 15 05:11 |
| cubexyz | the other thing I didn't like was the region code thing... you could change it half a dozen times then it gets locked | Oct 15 05:12 |
| msb_ | I guess once bad hackers get in (and the govt are the worst) they can change anything changeable. | Oct 15 05:13 |
| msb_ | A typical scenario the US govt could do, following from their actions in Ukraine and Syria, is to blow off a nuke somewhere in the US and say that Russia did it, and then kill the Internet and all computers so that researchers and honest news sources couldn't talk about it. | Oct 15 05:17 |
| cubexyz | ransomware :) | Oct 15 05:17 |
| cubexyz | I even know people who have paid the ransom | Oct 15 05:17 |
| msb_ | This would be much worse. | Oct 15 05:17 |
| cubexyz | killing the whole internet would be pretty hard to do | Oct 15 05:18 |
| cubexyz | satellite/wifi/ethernet/3G/everything... | Oct 15 05:18 |
| msb_ | The govt controls the top-level domain servers. Remember, they killed that guy who tried to stop it. | Oct 15 05:18 |
| msb_ | Then they could kill every computer they could via AMT and DASH. And of course the microshit botnet. | Oct 15 05:19 |
| msb_ | Wht | Oct 15 05:20 |
| msb_ | Whatever was left they could just take over with a few soldiers. | Oct 15 05:20 |
| cubexyz | there's always AX.25 | Oct 15 05:21 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure they probably could knock out a lot of the internet | Oct 15 05:21 |
| msb_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel | Oct 15 05:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jon Postel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 15 05:25 | |
| msb_ | Died at the age of 55, 9 months after trying to get control of the root servers away from the US necromocracy. | Oct 15 05:26 |
| msb_ | We lost World War Z about a hundred years ago. | Oct 15 05:27 |
| cubexyz | there was something about complications from heart surgery | Oct 15 05:27 |
| msb_ | Yeah, fascist political complications. | Oct 15 05:29 |
| cubexyz | doesn't seem to be much info about it | Oct 15 05:29 |
| msb_ | Don't worry, it was just a coincidence, nothing to see here, move on. | Oct 15 05:29 |
| msb_ | Somebody just walked past him, sprayed an aerosol in his face, and kept walking. That's all it would take. | Oct 15 05:30 |
| cubexyz | ok, he actually died on the operating table, I wasn't sure about that | Oct 15 05:30 |
| cubexyz | did you know that Postel was opposed by NSI? | Oct 15 05:31 |
| msb_ | The poison would have given him the heart problem to start with. | Oct 15 05:31 |
| cubexyz | and the NSI were well connected with washington defense contractors? | Oct 15 05:31 |
| msb_ | The psychopaths are all interconnected. They are predatory aliens in human bodies, and their prey is the human race. | Oct 15 05:32 |
| cubexyz | check these names: | Oct 15 05:32 |
| cubexyz | Ira Magaziner and Becky Burr | Oct 15 05:33 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, Ira didn't seem too nice | Oct 15 05:34 |
| cubexyz | interesting nickname: | Oct 15 05:35 |
| cubexyz | "Hillary's Rasputin" :) | Oct 15 05:35 |
| msb_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computers,_Freedom_and_Privacy_Conference Becky Burr, head of the Commerce Department unit overseeing many Internet issues | Oct 15 05:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Computers, Freedom and Privacy Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/o0zzh ] | Oct 15 05:37 | |
| cubexyz | it definitely sounded like a bork-up of the public trust | Oct 15 05:38 |
| msb_ | "Public trust" is a total charade. Americans are given just enough to enable them to survive (mostly), but without spare time or money to investigage and organize. The Internet is changing that, but you can see all the malware and propaganda that are being used to prevent people from using it. | Oct 15 05:42 |
| msb_ | Talk about rt.com or globalresearch.ca, even here, and blammo! | Oct 15 05:43 |
| msb_ | The power of the Bernays method is enormous. Not just "what you tell me three times is true", but what you tell me 3,000 times is absolute fact that can never be questioned. | Oct 15 05:45 |
| msb_ | The monsters have defense in depth. | Oct 15 05:45 |
| msb_ | I don't know how we've survived this long. It's as if there is some invisible force opposing and limiting them. | Oct 15 05:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian GNU/Linux Jessie, Wheezy and Sid Receive | Oct 15 05:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Linux Kernel Updates http://t.co/0nrO8EJpXD | Oct 15 05:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux Jessie, Wheezy and Sid Receive New Linux Kernel Updates | Tux Machines | Oct 15 05:47 | |
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| msb_ | Hillary Clinton, the gleeful murderer of Gaddafi and Libya, will probably be elected president. Or the lunatic Donald tRump. | Oct 15 05:50 |
| cubexyz | I'll have to have a look at rt.com later | Oct 15 05:50 |
| msb_ | If you don't get it on cable tv, I'm sure they are streaming constantly over the web. | Oct 15 05:51 |
| msb_ | I have it on cable! | Oct 15 05:51 |
| cubexyz | it's Bell Satellite, not that I'm a big fan of Bell :-P | Oct 15 05:53 |
| cubexyz | we have a bit of a duopoly here | Oct 15 05:53 |
| cubexyz | no, I don't get Russia Today | Oct 15 05:54 |
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| msb_ | There are stories on the rt.com homepage, and each of the weekly shows here: https://www.rt.com/shows/ has its own page listing recent shows with links to downloadable videos. | Oct 15 06:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Shows — RT | Oct 15 06:00 | |
| msb_ | Watching the Hawks, The Big Picture, Crosstalk are particularly good. | Oct 15 06:01 |
| msb_ | Despite what we've been told, very little of it has to do with, er, the P-man. | Oct 15 06:02 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: There's a where-to-watch page: https://www.rt.com/where-to-watch/ It's probably been on my system for years but just called a "leased channel". I only found out about it a month or two ago when a neighbor on the same system told me. | Oct 15 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Where to watch — RT | Oct 15 06:13 | |
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| schestowitz | > http://fossforce.com/2015/10/good-software-bad-behavior/ | Oct 15 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Good Software, Bad Behavior | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/o1297 ] | Oct 15 09:31 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 09:31 |
| schestowitz | > Larry seeing only the opposing side's press statements, see next link | Oct 15 09:31 |
| schestowitz | > for how it should have been handled. | Oct 15 09:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > - | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > "I have now spent two hours reading through lkml posts, and want to | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > summarize a few mails from the long thread, since most of the usual news | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > sites just rewrap the original blog of hers without adding any background." | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.preining.info/blog/2015/10/looking-at-the-facts-sarah-sharps-crusade/ | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I don't want to spend more time on this. It only helps Linux foes. | Oct 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | I have an explosive MS/EPO article coming tonight... | Oct 15 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Looking at the facts: Sarah Sharp’s crusade | There and back again [ http://ur1.ca/o0wlh ] | Oct 15 09:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, | Oct 15 09:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Happy Birthday! http://t.co/On20kCk3DS | Oct 15 09:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, Happy Birthday! | Tux Machines | Oct 15 09:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Liberty Is First OpenStack Release Under 'Big | Oct 15 09:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tent' Model http://t.co/h7WJINsbxi | Oct 15 09:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Liberty Is First OpenStack Release Under 'Big Tent' Model | Tux Machines | Oct 15 09:33 | |
| schestowitz | New leak in the kitchen today (just discovered). Another weekend project, I guess. :/ | Oct 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2990107/windows-server/hands-on-with-powershell-for-windows-server-admins.html | Oct 15 09:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | The power of PowerShell: An intro for Windows Server admins | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/o12gl ] | Oct 15 09:52 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 09:52 |
| schestowitz | > SPAM | Oct 15 09:52 |
| schestowitz | "Adam is a Microsoft Windows PowerShell MVP, 2015 powershell.org PowerShell hero, and has numerous Microsoft IT pro certifications." | Oct 15 09:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/654589394146324480 | Oct 15 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz I use Pass, an encrypted #CLI password keeper. | Oct 15 10:30 | |
| cubexyz | if you really want to know about shells, you write one :) | Oct 15 10:31 |
| cubexyz | ancient shells are quite interesting | Oct 15 10:37 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-v5-thompson-shell.c | Oct 15 10:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, | Oct 15 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Happy Birthday! http://t.co/TSGiYf13j8 | Oct 15 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi (linux.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 11:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dual-core, Cortex-A15 Sitara arrives with Linux | Oct 15 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Android http://t.co/yzvuUqm8ee | Oct 15 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Oct 15 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Dual-core, Cortex-A15 Sitara arrives with Linux and Android · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 15 11:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Six Updated Themes for the Moksha Desktop | Oct 15 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/BefSxoupFj (www.bodhilinux.com) | Oct 15 11:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bodhilinux.com | Six Updated Themes for the Moksha Desktop | Bodhi Linux | Oct 15 11:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Reynolds/status/654606093654605824 https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/654606407099154432 | Oct 15 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reynolds: @schestowitz @glynmoody '10,000 police officers'? What? | Oct 15 11:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @Reynolds @schestowitz surreal | Oct 15 11:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines In Summary: Flock to Fedora 2015 | Oct 15 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/uiMn7HUfdA (fedoramagazine.org) | Oct 15 12:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | In Summary: Flock to Fedora 2015 - Fedora Magazine | Oct 15 12:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 8 best free and open source inventory | Oct 15 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | management systems: how to save money and | Oct 15 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | improve service for your customers | Oct 15 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/D7Mf6dfcor (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 12:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 best free and open source inventory management systems: how to save money and improve service for your customers | Tux Machines | Oct 15 12:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally) | Oct 15 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | also Pepsi and some Business phone stats | Oct 15 12:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally) also Pepsi and some Business phone stats | Tux Machines | Oct 15 12:17 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/654619174468218880 | Oct 15 16:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Proof that RedHat has anything to do with that? #FUD | Oct 15 16:59 | |
| schestowitz | It is mostly Red Hat that funds #systemd development | Oct 15 16:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Smoothiefy/status/654644003040829440 | Oct 15 17:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Smoothiefy: @schestowitz #icann promotes corrupt registrars by lacking safeguards to protect consumers from domain name IP theft by registrar | Oct 15 17:00 | |
| schestowitz | Also enables abuse by efforts to take down domains (for various reasons, including purely bogus ones) #internet #icann #censorship | Oct 15 17:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Walmart decries cloud lock-in, plans to | Oct 15 17:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | open-source OneOps http://t.co/o6HzDRaQjP | Oct 15 17:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Walmart decries cloud lock-in, plans to open-source OneOps | Tux Machines | Oct 15 17:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner’s | Oct 15 17:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Guide http://t.co/WYI20uwgqd | Oct 15 17:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner’s Guide | Tux Machines | Oct 15 17:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/654701676910120960 | Oct 15 18:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Half of "Japanese" recipes in restaurants are in fact Japanised Western dishes. Tempura=deep-frying, tataki=barbecue... | Oct 15 18:00 | |
| msb_ | https://www.rt.com/shows/watching-the-hawks/318728-cia-black-sites-us/ " David Talbot talks about his new book, ‘The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government’ | Oct 15 18:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | CIA chronicles: Black sites & Allen Dulles’ legacy with David Talbot (E115) RT — Watching the Hawks [ http://ur1.ca/o17yz ] | Oct 15 18:01 | |
| msb_ | Talks about how Dulles helped smuggle Nazis to safety after WW2, overthrew many governments, plotted against the USSR, etc. | Oct 15 18:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jason4e/status/654450531314733056?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=547c58cb78dbc529c9dc31479bd8084fa1aa9501&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=c069650d0829458bb0af7e8d205aa1f5&autoactions=1444868140&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Oct 15 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jason4e: @fqxjv @schestowitz @AJVicens either way hope he likes Moscow. Get a jacket Punk! | Oct 15 18:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Can the Internet exist without Linux? | Oct 15 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/eQakpjd8cW (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | msb_: we are not talking about Nazis | Oct 15 18:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Can the Internet exist without Linux? | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:03 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: don't get started | Oct 15 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NASA Just Released the Massive VICAR Collection | Oct 15 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Apps as Open Source http://t.co/POQkiK8ny0 | Oct 15 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NASA Just Released the Massive VICAR Collection of Apps as Open Source | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch | Oct 15 18:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Store http://t.co/jbv1yecvIa | Oct 15 18:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 18:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch Store | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and a | Oct 15 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux learner bundle http://t.co/K7HyJz0B0d | Oct 15 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 18:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and a Linux learner bundle | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leap Release Candidate gets new office suite | Oct 15 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/3Yjm6YuqQ6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 18:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leap Release Candidate gets new office suite | Tux Machines | Oct 15 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Can the Internet exist without Linux? | Oct 15 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/3cF0yd4RLz (www.zdnet.com) | Oct 15 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o182p | Oct 15 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Can the Internet exist without Linux? | ZDNet | Oct 15 18:09 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: I'm not "getting started", just posting a single link about an extremely informative show and book that talks about the _roots_ of our present situation. You post links to important info that isn't strictly tech. What is Microsoft, EPO, swpats, systemd, etc, if not corporate domination of the world with govt help? What is another word for govt alliance with corporations against the people? | Oct 15 18:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654705728192516097 | Oct 15 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Journalists afraid? | Oct 15 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | Topic brought to the #epo a legacy of suing people for years in his own country for libel (despite losing in court). SLAPP=>self censorship. | Oct 15 18:11 |
| schestowitz | msb_: you can keep quiet about OT here.. | Oct 15 18:13 |
| schestowitz | .just making a mockery of the site and the channel | Oct 15 18:13 |
| schestowitz | there are channels about politics | Oct 15 18:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ircolle/status/654705980249239552 | Oct 15 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ircolle: @schestowitz No. ;-) | Oct 15 18:14 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: What exactly is your definition of "politics"? Aren't SLAPP suits politics? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation | Oct 15 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Strategic lawsuit against public participation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/o185k ] | Oct 15 18:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654707527301500928 | Oct 15 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz I thought the uk was the libel tourist's destination of choice. | Oct 15 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | Even worse then for people like me and journalists who write >in English< about #epo #organisedCrime | Oct 15 18:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654707889366396928 | Oct 15 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz But no does outside Croatia? | Oct 15 18:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch | Oct 15 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Store http://t.co/tjONgUJTc4 | Oct 15 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch Store - Softpedia | Oct 15 18:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and a | Oct 15 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux learner bundle http://t.co/HdiofxMcx1 | Oct 15 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Oct 15 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Deal: score a VoCore Mini Linux Computer and a Linux Learner Bundle | Oct 15 18:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leap Release Candidate gets new office suite | Oct 15 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ozQEm2K1ee (news.opensuse.org) | Oct 15 18:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | openSUSE News | Oct 15 18:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HAProxy 1.6.0 released http://t.co/aNFgYuj1Kw | Oct 15 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.haproxy.com) | Oct 15 18:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.haproxy.com | What’s new in HAProxy 1.6 | HAProxy Technologies – Aloha Load Balancer | Oct 15 18:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is the KDE 5 desktop stable enough for normal | Oct 15 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | users? https://t.co/ac8merXNAi | Oct 15 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (btux1984.wordpress.com) no, wait until 2017 | Oct 15 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | maybe. | Oct 15 18:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-btux1984.wordpress.com | Is the KDE 5 desktop stable enough for normal users? | Ruberg's blog | Oct 15 18:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Blocks: Modularity Comes to Smartwatches | Oct 15 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/YbU8veQgh8 (www.linux.com) | Oct 15 18:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Blocks: Modularity Comes to Smartwatches | Linux.com | Oct 15 18:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Processor utilization difference between IBM | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | comparison http://t.co/CzuRvd5MTQ- | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.ibm.com) | Oct 15 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://t.co/CzuRvd5MTQ- ) | Oct 15 18:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o18m4 | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Before the Echo comes to Mac and Linux with | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | literally no warning whatsoever | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ZmzaWiQwF9 (www.gamasutra.com) | Oct 15 18:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamasutra.com | Gamasutra - Press Releases - Before the Echo comes to Mac and Linux with literally no warning whatsoever | Oct 15 18:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines “We’ve seen basic researchers learning Linux | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and cloud computing to keep up with it all” | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/g4Ne7m3oez | Oct 15 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.sandiegouniontribune.com) | Oct 15 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sandiegouniontribune.com | Comet will be used by 10,000 investigators per year | SanDiegoUnionTribune.com | Oct 15 18:55 | |
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| schestowitz | Possibly just IBM 'marketing' in disguise https://joindiaspora.com/p/6707580 | Oct 15 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power... | Oct 15 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | Possibly just IBM 'marketing' in disguise https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6707580 | Oct 15 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-processor-utilization-difference-aix-lop-trs/index.html?ca=drs- #ibm #aix #linux #unix | Oct 15 18:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ibm.com | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison [ http://ur1.ca/o18o6 ] | Oct 15 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: is this believable? | Oct 15 19:00 |
| schestowitz | IBm benchmarks its proprietary/secret system | Oct 15 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Re: Fwd: TR: LogNo 2011/0338 -- Unauthorised Use of EPO Logo on the website www.unitary-patent.eu | Oct 15 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Excellent. Zoobab mentioned this briefly at the time, now I can do an article about it... | Oct 15 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Just got a scoop | Oct 15 19:13 |
| msb_ | Since AIX is secret it can easily contain code for optimizing performance on a particular benchmark. This has been done before. | Oct 15 19:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Crimp nasty privilege escalation bug by | Oct 15 19:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | running it in Linux instead says Rapid7" | Oct 15 19:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/pUMjems9Z6 (www.theregister.co.uk) | Oct 15 19:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | HP perfomance monitor can climb through Windows • The Register | Oct 15 19:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DFileManager: Cover Flow File Manager | Oct 15 19:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QHpoYsMt7t (gofk.tumblr.com) | Oct 15 19:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gofk.tumblr.com | gofk Blog — DFileManager: Cover Flow File Manager A real gem... | Oct 15 19:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Processor utilization difference between IBM | Oct 15 19:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple | Oct 15 19:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | comparison http://t.co/Z27wr0jFLK | Oct 15 19:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 19:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison | Tux Machines | Oct 15 19:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is open source killing end-to-end products? | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Q3TrhLU3TA (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 19:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is open source killing end-to-end products? | Tux Machines | Oct 15 19:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PHP 7.0 RC5 Released, PHP 7.0 In Under One | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Month http://t.co/EInCPp1zFj | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PHP 7.0 RC5 Released, PHP 7.0 In Under One Month | Tux Machines | Oct 15 19:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o1959 | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Syncloud: personal services device | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ye3XOXsJUX (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 19:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Syncloud: personal services device | Tux Machines | Oct 15 19:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Mutter 3.18.1 Brings Better HiDPI On | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wayland http://t.co/eOWFHXhqmX | Oct 15 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 19:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME's Mutter 3.18.1 Brings Better HiDPI On Wayland | Tux Machines | Oct 15 19:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Launches in India, | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Sale next week 21 October | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/5vaIG9xnzp (www.tizenexperts.com) | Oct 15 19:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Launches in India, On Sale next week 21 October - Tizen Experts | Oct 15 19:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone – Hands on Web | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Reviews http://t.co/nRXdVpu8i5 | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Oct 15 19:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Video] Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone - Hands on Web Reviews - Tizen Experts | Oct 15 19:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Medtronic's George, Red Hat's Whitehurst, | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Citrix's Lipson talk leadership in the C-Suite | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/anplWMHWNh (www.bizjournals.com) | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "left..Delta for Red Hat." | Oct 15 19:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o19f1 | Oct 15 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | Medtronic's George, Red Hat's Whitehurst, Citrix's Lipson talk leadership - Triangle Business Journal | Oct 15 19:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Red Hat, Inc. will host the 2015 Government | Oct 15 20:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Symposium on Tuesday, November 10th" | Oct 15 20:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WDPigzlvhT (www.washingtonexec.com) | Oct 15 20:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonexec.com | 2015 Red Hat Government Symposium Set for November 10 | WashingtonExec | Oct 15 20:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LG begins rolling out Android 6.0 Marshmallow | Oct 15 20:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to the G4 next week http://t.co/bPjafOLyNx | Oct 15 20:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.theverge.com) | Oct 15 20:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | LG begins rolling out Android 6.0 Marshmallow to the G4 next week | The Verge | Oct 15 20:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7 Of The Best Android Video Player Apps | Oct 15 20:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/omRts7Uu96 (tech.co) | Oct 15 20:04 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google’s Nexus Lineup Offers Better Security | Oct 15 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Among Android Phones: Cambridge Report | Oct 15 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Zp0wi5pggc (www.ibtimes.com) | Oct 15 20:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | Google’s Nexus Lineup Offers Better Security Among Android Phones: Cambridge Report | Oct 15 20:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry Priv Android Slider Smartphone Goes | Oct 15 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Up for Pre-Registration http://t.co/hOS3B231Wd | Oct 15 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (gadgets.ndtv.com) | Oct 15 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | BlackBerry Priv Android Slider Smartphone Goes Up for Pre-Registration | NDTV Gadgets360.com | Oct 15 20:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Now Launched in | Oct 15 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Moscow, Russia http://t.co/Hx946l2OVO | Oct 15 20:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Now Launched in Moscow, Russia - Tizen Experts | Oct 15 20:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Daily Deal: Linux Computer And Linux Learner | Oct 15 20:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bundle https://t.co/8sQb50eM2U | Oct 15 20:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techdirt.com) | Oct 15 20:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | Daily Deal: Linux Computer And Linux Learner Bundle | Techdirt | Oct 15 20:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow review | Oct 15 20:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/OIwSacDZKI (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 20:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android 6.0 Marshmallow review | Tux Machines | Oct 15 20:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen Leftovers http://t.co/256cavUdmM | Oct 15 20:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 15 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.iam-media.com/Blog/Detail.aspx?g=f9b020d4-57b8-41c1-97df-9db6edf3be20 | Oct 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | "Grant Philpott, principal director for information and communications technology at the European Patent Office (EPO), looked at the issue from a slightly different angle. While the number of filings handled by SIPO has shot through the roof in recent years - making it the world's largest patent office by volume – he noted that Chinese residents still constitute a conspicuously small proportion of applicants in foreign jurisdictions. "I am | Oct 15 20:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | A new approach to the reform debate; China's IP future; the European tide; and much more at IPBC Global Day 3 - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business [ http://ur1.ca/o1a5i ] | Oct 15 20:58 | |
| schestowitz | not so sure we will see a flood of Chinese patents coming our way any time soon," he forecast, suggesting that Chinese companies' relatively small patent holdings outside of their own country is perhaps indicative that they have some way to go in terms of IP sophistication. For Laura Quatela- head of IP at Alcatel-Lucent, as well as a member of the board at Technicolor – that implied that we will see even more of a phenomenon that has | Oct 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | become increasingly apparent over recent years: the acquisition of foreign patent assets by Chinese entities. (JE)" | Oct 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Two notoriously corrupt entities find common grounds. I think this necessitates WIPR coverage and do does my source http://techrights.org/2015/10/14/epo-against-patent-neutrality/ | Oct 15 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Says Crushing Patent Neutrality is a Good Thing® Because Authenticity of Self-Incriminating EPO Document Cannot be Denied | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o1b1c ] | Oct 15 22:08 | |
| schestowitz | oops, wrong link http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ | Oct 15 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Exclusive: Leaked E-mail From Grant Philpott (EPO Principal Telecommunications Director) Shows Collusion Between EPO and Microsoft to Prioritise Most Notorious Patent Bully, Microsoft | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o1b1r ] | Oct 15 22:08 | |
| schestowitz | Oops. Sent wrong link. This one: | Oct 15 22:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ | Oct 15 22:09 |
| schestowitz | I can defend all my claims there; been writing about these issues for over a decade and collected references... | Oct 15 22:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/pNEbCZP6gr | Oct 15 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Oct 15 22:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/3vP1j86nNZ | Oct 15 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 22:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Oct 15 22:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/654768463253102593 | Oct 15 22:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Two primes. Multiples of primes can be very useful. This is mindblowing: http://t.co/XYfc7OyNXL | Oct 15 22:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.newyorker.com | The Cicada’s Love Affair With Prime Numbers - The New Yorker | Oct 15 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | Prime number in a dating system would make division hard, except 3 week cycles and 7 day parts... | Oct 15 22:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/3vP1j86nNZ | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Oct 15 22:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Machines & The Steam Controller | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JOkO0TBeS9 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Oct 15 22:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam Machines & The Steam Controller | GamingOnLinux | Oct 15 22:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Says Ubuntu Phones Will Run Any Linux | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | App on Open Source OS http://t.co/Q5iZRwtsPG | Oct 15 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thevarguy.com) | Oct 15 22:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | Canonical Says Ubuntu Phones Will Run Any Linux App on Open Source OS | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy | Oct 15 22:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654783203496976384 | Oct 15 23:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Based on … drum rolls … http://t.co/mdqbmQFaaG :D | Oct 15 23:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Phones Will Run Any Linux Application on Top of Unity 8 - Softpedia | Oct 15 23:18 | |
| schestowitz | Nice to be the trend-setting media. Take these as a compliment. | Oct 15 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654783638303694850 | Oct 15 23:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Thank you ;) | Oct 15 23:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654783629038514176 | Oct 15 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: (Tories are dullest cards in your deck -- on the Island.) https://t.co/sBIseaX1zX | Oct 15 23:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I might, if time permits, return to writing about #drones this weekend. It's infuriating that Tories copied defunct #CIA policy >WHOLESALE<. | Oct 15 23:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654784517585022977 | Oct 15 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone hit with serious security | Oct 15 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz BTW, did you noticed a much smaller number of visitors lately? | Oct 15 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | vulnerability http://t.co/hzSOv5qYWM | Oct 15 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (betanews.com) http://t.co/1myCv8IYg3 | Oct 15 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Ubuntu Phone hit with serious security vulnerability | Oct 15 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 15 23:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Major Ubuntu Touch Exploit Is a Wake-up Call for Canonical - Softpedia | Oct 15 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam | Oct 15 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Machines & The Steam Controller | Oct 15 23:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/D7rH38fmZb (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | In general, in tux machines, in linux sites, softpedia? | Oct 15 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam Machines & The Steam Controller | Tux Machines | Oct 15 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/LbsrFu7BjT | Oct 15 23:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Oct 15 23:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/elFqVJXdcY | Oct 15 23:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 15 23:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Oct 15 23:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @MariusNestor @schestowitz On @tuxmachines yes. | Oct 15 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654786162662375425 | Oct 15 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz On @tuxmachines yes. | Oct 15 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | No, same as before (big increase since mid year), why? | Oct 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654786282548137984 | Oct 15 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Cards Against Humanity...? | Oct 15 23:31 | |
| schestowitz | Exactly. Ear-catching name. They did it! | Oct 15 23:32 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/LbsrFu7BjT' | Oct 15 23:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/LbsrFu7BjT' | Oct 15 23:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz @MariusNestor @tuxmachines No, same as before | Oct 15 23:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (big increase since mid year), why? | Oct 15 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654787296172969984 | Oct 15 23:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz I believe there's something strange lately on the Internet… like many people vanished, still our followers have increased… | Oct 15 23:34 | |
| schestowitz | Android became mainstream, desktop GNU/Linux doesn't enjoy the same following, not even Ubuntu anymore | Oct 15 23:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654787009878212608 | Oct 15 23:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Yes, but WHAT ? | Oct 15 23:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328 | Oct 15 23:48 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux stories almost never make it into front page of anything anymore. Reddit is famously astroturfed by Microsoft. | Oct 15 23:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328 | Oct 15 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328 | Oct 16 00:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Yeah, for that I need to write the story of the century :)) | Oct 16 00:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654787009878212608 | Oct 16 00:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Yes, but WHAT ? | Oct 16 00:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/654790908781596672 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/654791298293985281 https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/654737160549961728 | Oct 16 00:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just added a sentence to clarify that Philpott also pushes (even politically lobbies) for the #UPC http://t.co/aQJ2X3YGgs #microsoft #epo | Oct 16 00:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Exclusive: Leaked E-mail From Grant Philpott (EPO Principal Telecommunications Director) Shows Collusion Between EPO and Microsoft to Prioritise Most Notorious Patent Bully, Microsoft | Techrights | Oct 16 00:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@MariusNestor #GNU/#Linux stories almost never make it into front page of anything anymore. #Reddit is famously astroturfed by #Microsoft. | Oct 16 00:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NHAparty: NHS children's services in Bristol not handed to Virgin Care after anti-privatisation protest: http://t.co/IHmcaO0j7b via @BristolPost | Oct 16 00:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bristolpost.co.uk | NHS children's services in Bristol not handed to Virgin Care after anti-privatisation protest | Bristol Post | Oct 16 00:03 | |
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| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/submission/5101535/epo-admits-the-unitary-patent-is-all-about-software-patents | Oct 16 00:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | EPO admits the Unitary Patent is all about software patents - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/o1cme ] | Oct 16 00:11 | |
| schestowitz | "The European Patent Office (EPO) has recognised that the Unitary Patent Court will provide harmonisation across Europe on the issue of software patents. In a conference in London held few days ago, EPO’s Grant Philpott said "The UPC (Unitary Patent Court) will provide strong harmonisation in ICT applications that will play a dominant role in patent world". A recent leak by Techrights.org also shows that the EPO has been prioritizing | Oct 16 00:11 |
| schestowitz | patent applications for a few large non-European companies, such as Microsoft or Huawei. The leaked document and webpage is now made inacessible and filtered from the internet access within the EPO premises." | Oct 16 00:11 |
| cubexyz | it wouldn't surprise me at all that IBM AIX runs better than Linux on Power CPU | Oct 16 00:14 |
| cubexyz | they know everything about the POWER CPU, IBM made it | Oct 16 00:15 |
| cubexyz | just like icc (intel's c compiler) can optimize code on Intel CPU's better than gcc | Oct 16 00:15 |
| cubexyz | naturally intel knows more about their own CPUs | Oct 16 00:16 |
| cubexyz | just like IBM mainframes are better than PCs, their IO capability is a lot better | Oct 16 00:17 |
| MinceR | i've heard horror stories about how AIX does shared libraries, though | Oct 16 00:18 |
| cubexyz | AIX came out of the Unix Sys V and 4.3BSD, IBM combined ideas from both | Oct 16 00:20 |
| cubexyz | but it is closed source of course | Oct 16 00:20 |
| cubexyz | the big downside... IBM doesn't like giving out source code, unless it's for very old stuff | Oct 16 00:22 |
| cubexyz | SCO actually tried to revoke IBM's AIX license | Oct 16 00:27 |
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| cubexyz | AIX is expensive, you have to buy the software and hardware | Oct 16 00:30 |
| cubexyz | $85 per core, plus $299 per year for maintainance | Oct 16 00:30 |
| cubexyz | they do have a "low cost" option | Oct 16 00:32 |
| cubexyz | AIX Express Edition | Oct 16 00:32 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Oct 16 02:55 | |
| cubexyz | http://all-things-linux.blogspot.ca/2015/06/looking-for-alternatives-to-systemd.html | Oct 16 02:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-all-things-linux.blogspot.ca | Linux, BSD, and everything else...: Looking for Alternatives to Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/o1ema ] | Oct 16 02:56 | |
| cubexyz | for old hardware, I still would say go OpenBSD | Oct 16 02:57 |
| cubexyz | slackware never used pam or pulseaudio | Oct 16 02:58 |
| cubexyz | anyways, all the usual choices are there... slackware derivatives, plus Void and some other ones | Oct 16 02:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/URZkgcrrAM | Oct 16 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 16 03:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 16 03:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Devices http://t.co/0LCJOURXel | Oct 16 03:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Devices | Tux Machines | Oct 16 03:02 | |
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| cubexyz | rm | Oct 16 03:50 |
| MinceR | -rf | Oct 16 03:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/RrVTCIAAMU | Oct 16 04:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 16 04:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Oct 16 04:10 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines too | Oct 16 04:10 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines too | Oct 16 04:11 | |
| cubexyz | Windows 10 is not compatible with 2nd gen i3/i5/i7 processors with internal graphics - it causes many BSOD and various system problems after about 30-90 minutes usage | Oct 16 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Firefox 41.0.2 Hotfix to Fix a | Oct 16 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | High Impact Issue, Update Now | Oct 16 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/TJuF31RHFk (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 16 04:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Releases Firefox 41.0.2 Hotfix to Fix a High Impact Issue, Update Now | Tux Machines | Oct 16 04:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone Users Will Receive an OTA-6 Hotfix | Oct 16 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Patch a Security Vulnerability | Oct 16 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lHvWMUaVXn (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 16 04:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Phone Users Will Receive an OTA-6 Hotfix to Patch a Security Vulnerability | Tux Machines | Oct 16 04:15 | |
| MinceR | fun | Oct 16 04:16 |
| MinceR | then again, that sort of stuff is business as usual on winblows | Oct 16 04:16 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494 | Oct 16 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The nasty company that uses large-breasted women to market its #censorship -happy 'products': "workforce diversity"? http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/10/14/diversity-transparency-and-sharing-data-at-godaddy-ghc15/ | Oct 16 06:52 | |
| schestowitz | "…with a CEO fond of hunting endangered species." | Oct 16 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> siliconangle.com | Diversity, transparency and sharing data at GoDaddy | #GHC15 | SiliconANGLE [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0b ] | Oct 16 06:52 | |
| schestowitz | Iraqis? | Oct 16 06:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697205 | Oct 16 06:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Best Web Browsers for the Linux Desktop http://www.datamation.com/open-source/best-web-browsers-for-the-linux-desktop.html #gnu #linux #www | Oct 16 06:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.datamation.com | Best Web Browsers for the Linux Desktop - Datamation [ http://ur1.ca/o038j ] | Oct 16 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | "has happened to me on several occasions: comment state ambiguity" | Oct 16 06:53 |
| schestowitz | "I use several browsers, too. I have a particularly slutty chrome for shopping, which I flush out after use, and for researching and socnetting I have iceweasel with all the bells and whistles (for privacy), and I check in to my snoopy and ancient Yahoo account currently with opera developer which is smooth, but a little hard to monitor for security… arora is good at spoofing explorer or safari if the need arises…" | Oct 16 06:53 |
| schestowitz | [03:50] <cubexyz> rm | Oct 16 06:53 |
| schestowitz | [03:54] <MinceR> -rf | Oct 16 06:53 |
| schestowitz | /: | Oct 16 06:54 |
| cubexyz | ok... | Oct 16 07:01 |
| cubexyz | alias rm='rm -iv' | Oct 16 07:01 |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: "techrights is now banned by EPO" Banned in what way? | Oct 16 07:13 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Oct 16 11:41 | |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > It’s ,.... is putting together the article for publication this afternoon, so any help with the original PDF would be appreciated. | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | > Regards, | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for deciding to highlight this issue (we share a common pain here). Here is the PDF for your eyes only, not for publication (so as to protect the source). Let me know if there's anything else you need. | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Best regards, | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Roy | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | msb_not the latest such prize | Oct 16 12:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654983358074724352 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654983767635959808 | Oct 16 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz It's an age old stigma....but agree the Troll hysteria impacted. I support vast majority of misunderstood NPE activity 1/2 | Oct 16 12:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz Have you noticed who are throwing brickbats at lawyers acting for NPES? Some NPEs were once SMEs with potential until they died | Oct 16 12:35 | |
| schestowitz | Not the big NPEs which I know of | Oct 16 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Think Acacia, Int. Ven., MOSAID, Ray Niro, Erich S. and so on | Oct 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks Roy! This is incredible stuff and proves what we knew--the EPO | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > has a cosy relationship with Microsoft. I spoke with my edifor and he | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > said we'd rather do a bit more digging into the issue first before | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > publishing something on it. | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > Today, the EPO directed us to a comminique from the AC that it will not | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > overried article 23 of the EPC in dismissing a member of the EBA. They | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > still think the member should be dismissed. Story should be up shortly | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | > and I will send you a link. | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, I will help circulate the finding when it's published (give me a headsup). IAM is going to write about it this afternoon (I just send them some docs)... | Oct 16 12:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654984467568807937 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654984726072205312 https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985178448855041 | Oct 16 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz The ones who have been fed by the PAEs who now complain about NPEs? Hypocrisy does not even come close. It's a broad church 1/2 | Oct 16 12:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz But for many reasons I am pro NPE but very anti bottom feeding Troll. Problem is there are 101 agendas in what should be simple | Oct 16 12:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz All the same yet so different. The biggest "Patent Troll" is now a University apparently. Don't you see how pointless this is? | Oct 16 12:41 | |
| schestowitz | I am against transfers of patents (sales). They shouldn't be viewed as tangible or property. | Oct 16 12:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985602257936384 | Oct 16 12:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz It's a debate about global weather from a town perspective. Largely pointless and futile. There will always be differences. | Oct 16 12:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985868588003328 | Oct 16 12:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz We should not react to the external forces but simply focus on core values and get back to basics on purpose of patent system. | Oct 16 12:44 | |
| schestowitz | Clearly, as we both appear to agree, the EPO got things wrong, in numerous ways, except mistreatment of staff | Oct 16 12:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654986405848985600 | Oct 16 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz 180 degrees. The No 1 issue is liquidity of IP and reward for creation. If have no right to transfer/ability to use why bother? | Oct 16 12:45 | |
| schestowitz | Can assert is for defensive purposes while still having the potential to bring value to market, not just destroy | Oct 16 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Can assert it for defensive purposes while still having the potential to bring value to market, not just destroy | Oct 16 12:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654986684287852544 | Oct 16 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz From this perspective individual creativity and reward is dead ergo no innovation. Plays into hands of status quo | Oct 16 12:46 | |
| schestowitz | people innovate even without patents (see Free software movement), like musicians are creative irrespective of (C)/$ | Oct 16 12:47 |
| schestowitz | > As discussed on Twitter can you send me the PDF of the Grant Philpott email as I’d like to link to it in the report I am putting together. | Oct 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Here is the PDF (please don't publish, for your eyes only), in case of meta/watermarking that jeopardises the source... | Oct 16 13:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654993323988537345 | Oct 16 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz This is key not all creation and innovation sits in same box. U2 did not file patents to protect The Joshua Tree. | Oct 16 13:14 | |
| schestowitz | Depends on domains too. Patents, copyright , TM separate. Same situation/breakdown for different domains, e.g. software | Oct 16 13:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654993845567037440 | Oct 16 13:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz They did not have too. How do you secure reward for a cure for cancer? | Oct 16 13:16 | |
| schestowitz | I am against software patents (primarily), I am not against patents as a whole | Oct 16 13:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654994967790755840 | Oct 16 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz I have concerns about software patents.......but also inability of system to effectively reward software innovation. Difficult. | Oct 16 13:23 | |
| schestowitz | Copyrights do this, and they're cheap ($0) | Oct 16 13:24 |
| schestowitz | The notion of "software innovation" often thrown around by people who never wrote a computer program. No breakthroughs, math. | Oct 16 13:25 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/RFsCMC3.jpg | Oct 16 13:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TechJournalist/status/655002055053090816 https://twitter.com/emorisse/status/655002310553247744 https://twitter.com/TechJournalist/status/655002537536393216 | Oct 16 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TechJournalist: @schestowitz actual press release doesn’t put the @ansible deal at $100M - (so don’t believe everything you read) http://t.co/9OKLwDSqR4 | Oct 16 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.redhat.com | Red Hat to Acquire IT Automation and DevOps Leader Ansible | Red Hat | Oct 16 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emorisse: @TechJournalist @schestowitz if you’re interested in the thinking behind @redhatnews acquisition of @ansible http://t.co/ERQvChXtUE | Oct 16 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.redhat-cloudstrategy.com | Why did Red Hat acquire Ansible? | Cloud Strategy Blog | Oct 16 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TechJournalist: @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible umm no. Given that nearly every @RedHatNews user i know uses Puppet / makes little sense. | Oct 16 14:08 | |
| schestowitz | Our clients use puppet on debian | Oct 16 14:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/655004933192830976 https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/655005214894903296 | Oct 16 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz I missread your tweet, I thought you were linking KDE moving to logind to some RH pressure. 1/2 | Oct 16 14:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Oh and BTW, suse and canonical are also funding systemd development, they both have employees working on the code… | Oct 16 14:09 | |
| schestowitz | yes, but fewer | Oct 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/655006911650242560 | Oct 16 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: IPKat: EPO Admin Council says no to Battistelli & yes to the rule of law http://t.co/QwDvgcX6et good headline by @Ipkat cc: @schestowitz | Oct 16 14:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> ipkitten.blogspot.de | The IPKat: EPO AC says no to Battistelli & yes to the rule of law | Oct 16 14:10 | |
| schestowitz | WIPR and IAM to have EPO articles this afternoon | Oct 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sparkycollier/status/655007728411111424 | Oct 16 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sparkycollier: @TechJournalist @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews fwiw I've talked to a lot of Openstack users who love Ansible in the mix. | Oct 16 14:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/emorisse/status/655007951984447488 | Oct 16 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emorisse: @sparkycollier @TechJournalist @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews I’m glad to hear it! We’re excited! | Oct 16 14:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/robynbergeron/status/655008672729272320 | Oct 16 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@robynbergeron: @sparkycollier @TechJournalist @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews http://t.co/x9TOTtZUVi is just a preview :) | Oct 16 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ansible.com | Your Ansible Playbook for OpenStack Summit Tokyo | Oct 16 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | I'm just trying to understand what's >really< happening | Oct 16 14:16 |
| schestowitz | <p><span class="pullQuote" style="width:200px">""</span> | Oct 16 14:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sparkycollier/status/655009882983165952 | Oct 16 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sparkycollier: @schestowitz @robynbergeron @TechJournalist @emorisse @ansible @RedHatNews I don't claim to know that :) | Oct 16 14:21 | |
| schestowitz | I am >HAPPY< that Ansible >officially< nets Red Hat's umbrella, but $100m figure is BS | Oct 16 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/655052604007960576 | Oct 16 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Who do you include under "they"? | Oct 16 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | EPO suits | Oct 16 17:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655052618029473792 | Oct 16 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents Let's be fair about this. It's not just Microsoft. | Oct 16 17:09 | |
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| *[freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | Oct 16 19:07 | |
| msb_ | https://plus.google.com/+otakarschon/posts Translation from Czech: Intel, Microsoft and computer manufacturers launches campaign "PC knows what?" Why? | Oct 16 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | Otakar Schön - Google+ | Oct 16 19:07 | |
| msb_ | But the picture says "PC DOES WHAAAT?! | Oct 16 19:09 |
| msb_ | http://tech.ihned.cz/pocitace/c1-64752760-pc-dokaze-co-reklamni-kampan-pc-prumyslu-co-je-s-pc-spatne | Oct 16 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.ihned.cz | Intel, Microsoft a vrobci pota spout zoufalou prodejn kampa [ http://ur1.ca/o1rby ] | Oct 16 19:12 | |
| msb_ | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cs&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftech.ihned.cz%2Fpocitace%2Fc1-64752760-pc-dokaze-co-reklamni-kampan-pc-prumyslu-co-je-s-pc-spatne&edit-text= | Oct 16 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [ http://ur1.ca/o1rdm ] | Oct 16 19:14 | |
| msb_ | The largest manufacturer of processors, operating system manufacturer and the three largest computer makers put into the common pot $ 70 million on an advertising campaign to revive weak sales of personal computers. Intel, Microsoft, Lenovo, HP and Dell have come together to convince the owners of computers over four years to purchase new hardware with Windows 10. As the main motto of the campaign "PC can COOO?" (PC Does Whaat?) | Oct 16 19:17 |
| lirodon | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/pc-industry-takes-on-apple-with-cringing-pc-does-what-ad-campaign/ Even Ars thinks its stupid. | Oct 16 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Cringe-worthy “PC Does What?” campaign wants you to upgrade | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/o1ncg ] | Oct 16 19:18 | |
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| msb_ | The answer to "PC Does Whaat?" is that a PC with Windows 10 will sell your ass to Microsoft and other greedy megacorporations. | Oct 16 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Meh | Oct 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | waste of time to cover as it would only help MSFT | Oct 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | very stupid slogan and marketing strategy | Oct 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | not many people woould notice, it's like those Vista 7 launch parties | Oct 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | which became an epic fail and widely ridiculed | Oct 16 19:30 |
| msb_ | But it's really a good thing because every time someone spends money on a new computer, and then feels ripped off when they see how crappy windows 10 is, that's when we can tell them about absolutely free Linux. | Oct 16 19:31 |
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| MinceR | well, pc does many things unless it's turned into a dumb appliance via Restricted Boot | Oct 16 19:51 |
| MinceR | they shouldn't have fucked it up if they don't like them not selling well | Oct 16 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 20:23 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.iam-media.com/blog/Detail.aspx?g=0b8ffc2c-3a2a-49d7-ac0f-2d94d4a23ffd | Oct 16 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Pilot project with Microsoft and other big filers will directly help SMEs, not hinder them, says EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business | Oct 16 20:23 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, they respond to me (damage control) and today I responded to them again. More coming, stay tuned... | Oct 16 20:23 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1968-we-trade-pictures-your-junk-8-realities-inside-tsa.html | Oct 16 20:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cracked.com | 8 Things You Don't (Want To) Know About TSA Checkpoints | Cracked.com [ http://ur1.ca/o1sfr ] | Oct 16 20:28 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 16 20:28 |
| schestowitz | > #4 | Oct 16 20:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/655101979870367744 | Oct 16 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The goal is totalitarian corporate feudalism. Mankind is entering a dark, greed driven, dog eat dog era http://t.co/dV453sr0w5 | Oct 16 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The goal is totalitarian corporate feudalism. Mankind is entering a dark, greed driven, dog eat dog era http://t.co/dV453sr0w5 | Oct 16 20:29 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/GyFiayJ | Oct 16 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Scientists discover miraculous way to stop Cyber-Bullying - Imgur | Oct 16 21:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/655113104540340224 | Oct 16 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz They are not stupid, and know who to believe. The intended audience I'd not the staff. | Oct 16 21:10 | |
| schestowitz | Well, some Dutch media is evidently gullible enough http://techrights.org/2015/10/16/crushing-dissent-at-epo/ | Oct 16 21:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The ‘Sherlocks’ of EPO/Spin-Doctoring Pretend That All of the EPO’s Problems Boil Down to One Disgruntled Person (Updated) | Techrights | Oct 16 21:11 | |
| schestowitz | or... complicit | Oct 16 21:11 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6711813 | Oct 16 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Lenovo takes a stand against Microsoft Surface as other OEMs begrudgingly sell it http://www.pcworld.com/article/2993846/computers/lenovo-takes-a-stand-against-microsoft-surface-as-other-oems-begrudgingly-sell-it.html piece of garbage, money in bin | Oct 16 21:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | Lenovo takes a stand against Microsoft Surface as other OEMs begrudgingly sell it | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/o1tb5 ] | Oct 16 21:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 16 21:35 |
| r_schestowitz | The story behind the story: In the past, vendors like Lenovo and Dell politely dismissed Microsoft’s Surface devices as uncompetitive, and in some cases even praised them as helping strengthen the PC market. While they continue to put on brave faces publicly, reports are emerging of behind-the-scenes hostility as the Surface Pro line gains sales traction and the Surface Book takes direct aim at traditional laptops. | Oct 16 21:35 |
| r_schestowitz | :D | Oct 16 21:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Fuck you, Microsoft. Go fuck yourself :D | Oct 16 21:35 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 16 21:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Hope they go bankrupt in the coming years... | Oct 16 21:35 |
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| cubexyz | I bet the OEMs are really tired of dealing with Microsoft | Oct 16 23:08 |
| cubexyz | part of the anti-trust settlement was a proposal to allow PC manufacturers to adopt non-Microsoft software | Oct 16 23:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenStack and Servers | Tux Machines | Oct 17 12:51 | |
| gde33 | http://www.bioinitiative.org/table-of-contents/ skyvisionsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/health-argument-for-replacing-wireless-smart-meters-in-maryland.pdf http://smartgridawareness.org/2014/04/20/the-health-argument-against-wireless-smart-meters/ | Oct 17 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bioinitiative.org | BioInitiative Report 2012: Table of Contents [ http://ur1.ca/o26ht ] | Oct 17 12:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smartgridawareness.org | The Health Argument Against Wireless Smart Meters | Smart Grid Awareness [ http://ur1.ca/o26hu ] | Oct 17 12:55 | |
| gde33 | http://skyvisionsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/health-argument-for-replacing-wireless-smart-meters-in-maryland.pdf | Oct 17 12:56 |
| *jono (~jono@209.116.154.70) has joined #techrights | Oct 17 13:26 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6711817 | Oct 17 13:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This article has been corrected to say I'm from #techrights and not from #techdirt http://www.iam-media.com/blog/Detail.aspx?g=0b8ffc2c-3a2a-49d7-ac0f-2d94d4a23ffd | Oct 17 13:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.iam-media.com | Pilot project with Microsoft and other big filers will directly help SMEs, not hinder them, says EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business | Oct 17 13:27 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 17 13:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Mention to discredit is not much of a favor. They probably do it to knock down the Google rankings of your articles. Microsoft toads will linkfarm it. | Oct 17 13:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Another trick is to use similar language. The Slashdot “Vista Failure Log” was top of the search returns for “Vista Failure” until someone published an article titled “Vista’s 11 Pillars of Failure” and several Microsoft press copycats followed. | Oct 17 13:27 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Oct 17 13:27 |
| r_schestowitz | Interesting premise | Oct 17 13:27 |
| *jono has quit (Client Quit) | Oct 17 13:28 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/655359727396868096 | Oct 17 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Ours are just more subtle and insidious. | Oct 17 13:29 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6712152 | Oct 17 13:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5 must-have open source apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux http://www.itworld.com/article/2994023/open-source-tools/5-must-have-open-source-apps-for-windows-mac-and-linux.html#slide1 #freesw | Oct 17 13:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com | 5 must-have open source apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o26zc ] | Oct 17 13:30 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Seriously?! Chrome?!!!" | Oct 17 13:30 |
| r_schestowitz | Not FOSS | Oct 17 13:30 |
| cubexyz | a lot of articles have little substance | Oct 17 13:31 |
| cubexyz | but I'm impressed with the negative comments on Microsoft's own forums... really tells the story of what people think | Oct 17 13:32 |
| cubexyz | I can remember some people even saying win2k was the 'best' version of windows | Oct 17 13:34 |
| cubexyz | I'd say the astro-turing is getting drowned out by real grass-roots bitching :) | Oct 17 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Delays with ubuntu convergence | Oct 17 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QwnniX6Lmz (www.pcworld.com) | Oct 17 13:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Ubuntu delays PC-phone convergence as Microsoft's Windows 10 forges ahead | PCWorld | Oct 17 13:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Wants You to Design Your Own Ubuntu | Oct 17 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (Suru) Icons, Here's How http://t.co/cFKCTN3ZQE | Oct 17 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 17 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Wants You to Design Your Own Ubuntu (Suru) Icons, Here's How - Softpedia | Oct 17 13:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Valve puling Linux games from Steam that fail | Oct 17 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to meet SteamOS standards - report | Oct 17 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/TAPAKp2BOv (www.mcvuk.com) | Oct 17 13:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcvuk.com | Valve puling Linux games from Steam that fail to meet SteamOS standards - report | Games industry news | MCV | Oct 17 13:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Updated with | Oct 17 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Better Support for Google Drive | Oct 17 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/vqiTkQBru7 (linux.softpedia.com) | Oct 17 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Uy3XvNgucf (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 17 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Updated with Better Support for Google Drive - Softpedia | Oct 17 13:43 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME 3.18.1 Hits the Streets with Many Wayland Fixes, Lots of Improvements - Softpedia | Oct 17 13:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.18, KDE Apps 15.08.2 and Linux Kernel | Oct 17 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.2.3 Land in openSUSE Tumbleweed | Oct 17 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AHE3r5HpYL (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 17 13:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME 3.18, KDE Apps 15.08.2 and Linux Kernel 4.2.3 Land in openSUSE Tumbleweed - Softpedia | Oct 17 13:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.18.1 released http://t.co/yAAiGDz7pr | Oct 17 13:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME 3.18.1 released | Oct 17 13:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 17 wild uses for your old Android smartphone | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/V6oyr3nq4I | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.businessinsider.com) | Oct 17 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Alternate uses for old Android smartphones - Business Insider | Oct 17 13:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o279d | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @UbuntuTopNews Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Email Client App by Default | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/fg5wxYmSN9 (www.gettopical.com) via | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o279e | Oct 17 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failure when receiving data from the peer ( status 0 @ http://gettopical.com/ubuntuos/94e6a9d1a9cb2784f9e44c7d1b21dd1a?src=twitter ) | Oct 17 13:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Email Client App by Default | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/1diwguecPk (news.softpedia.com) | Oct 17 13:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o279f | Oct 17 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the Dekko Email Client App by Default - Softpedia | Oct 17 13:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mutter Window Manager for GNOME 3.18.1 Has | Oct 17 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improved HiDPI Support on Wayland | Oct 17 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/HwS83UZ7BN (linux.softpedia.com) | Oct 17 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Mutter Window Manager for GNOME 3.18.1 Has Improved HiDPI Support on Wayland - Softpedia | Oct 17 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Learn to embrace open source, or get buried | Oct 17 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/oO6u1WfCRt (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 17 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o27b8 | Oct 17 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Learn to embrace open source, or get buried | Tux Machines | Oct 17 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.18.1 released http://t.co/ddRWHiXDJI | Oct 17 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 17 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.18.1 released | Tux Machines | Oct 17 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 17 wild uses for your old Android smartphone | Oct 17 17:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/H3orWSkut3 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 17 17:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 17 wild uses for your old Android smartphone | Tux Machines | Oct 17 17:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice Is Working On Redoing Their Toolbar | Oct 17 17:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Layout http://t.co/FIGy7JtmS8 | Oct 17 17:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 17 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice Is Working On Redoing Their Toolbar Layout | Tux Machines | Oct 17 17:47 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Oct 17 20:11 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Oct 17 20:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 AppPack Releas | Oct 17 20:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 AppPack Releas | Tux Machines | Oct 17 20:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why hardware needs to go open source | Oct 17 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/KtqD3Nenae (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 17 20:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why hardware needs to go open source | Tux Machines | Oct 17 20:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Facing Account Authentication | Oct 17 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Issues, Could Offer Feedback Option | Oct 17 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XRD2toaXun (www.tuxmachines.org) | Oct 17 20:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Facing Account Authentication Issues, Could Offer Feedback Option | Tux Machines | Oct 17 20:26 | |
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