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msb_http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/32876-leaked-tpp-intellectual-property-chapter-spells-doom-for-free-speech-onlineOct 11 02:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readersupportednews.org | Leaked TPP Intellectual Property Chapter Spells Doom for Free Speech Online [ http://ur1.ca/nze9w ]Oct 11 02:00
msb_By Cory Doctorow,Oct 11 02:00
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/lmbrownlee1/status/653132197071683584Oct 11 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lmbrownlee1: Yeah. This is going to be real popular. Software patents. Like patent reform - just keeps boomeranging back. https://t.co/JEJK5eYzeEOct 11 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: European Pirate Party MEP Julia Reda Says #TPP Will Bring Software Patents to #Europe and Other Continents/Countries http://t.co/g2dVWNsxrROct 11 04:58
schestowitzmsb_: thanksOct 11 04:58
msb_schestowitz: A luta continuaOct 11 05:03
msb_They never stop.  The Earth has been invaded by insectoid psychopath predators in human form.  Oct 11 05:05
msb_We, the human race, are their prey.Oct 11 05:06
msb_God created Arrakis to train the faithful.Oct 11 05:07
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msb_This is our planet.  It was nice here until about 5,000 years ago when they appeared.  Oct 11 05:09
msb_We had Goddess religions -- Earth-centered religions -- that told us how to take care of our world.Oct 11 05:10
msb_The insectoids programmed people to destroy it.Oct 11 05:11
msb_To dominate.Oct 11 05:11
msb_But this is still our planet.  We must awaken those of us who have been programmed.Oct 11 05:12
msb_We must take the power away from the psychopaths.  We are many and they are few.Oct 11 05:13
msb_They use mind-control to dominate us.  If we wake up, we can take our world back.Oct 11 05:15
msb_"Come all you working men, farmers and weavers too.  If you would only stand as one, this world belongs to you."  Ballad of the Carpenter -- Phil Ochs  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TvfBxIkupAOct 11 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Phil Ochs - Ballad Of The Carpenter - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n1f7x ]Oct 11 05:21
msb_"Two thousand years have passed  and gone, many a hero too.  But the dream of this poor carpenter remains in the hands of you."Oct 11 05:24
msb_The correct wording of the phrase is actually "A luta continua, vitória é certa" meaning, "The struggle continues, victory is certain".Oct 11 05:30
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/653145382810222594Oct 11 05:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz #Apple Another #IT giant colluding w/#NSAOct 11 05:53
MinceR"God" does not exist.Oct 11 08:40
MinceRand religions only tell us lies.Oct 11 08:41
MinceRwe must use our reason, if we can and are willing to do so.Oct 11 08:41
MinceRi wonder if openbsd has better task/io scheduling than linuxOct 11 09:06
MinceRhttp://8ch.net/tech/src/1444325882472-0.jpg   http://8ch.net/tech/src/1444325882473-2.jpgOct 11 09:58
schestowitz> http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/Oct 11 10:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzhna ]Oct 11 10:02
schestowitz>Oct 11 10:03
schestowitz> systemd is not "here to stay" it is merely very pernicious and spreadingOct 11 10:03
schestowitz> at the moment.Oct 11 10:03
schestowitzIt'll take a lot to stop Red Hat's grand plan though.Oct 11 10:03
schestowitz> " Not one person (including my offender manager) thought the punishmentOct 11 10:06
schestowitz> fit the crime,"Oct 11 10:06
schestowitz>Oct 11 10:06
schestowitz> https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-isnt-worth-the-risk-of-prison-freed-cammer-says-150927/Oct 11 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com | Piracy Isn't Worth The Risk of Prison, Freed Cammer Says - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/nzho0 ]Oct 11 10:06
schestowitz>Oct 11 10:06
schestowitz> an effect of privatization of prisonsOct 11 10:06
schestowitzhttps://github.com/wimpunk/ddclientOct 11 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | wimpunk/ddclient · GitHubOct 11 10:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.noip.com/Oct 11 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.noip.com | Free Dynamic DNS - Managed DNS - Managed Email - Domain Registration - No-IPOct 11 10:53
schestowitz-Oct 11 10:53
schestowitzhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS#Registering_with_a_Dynamic_DNS_providerOct 11 10:54
schestowitzYou can then point your own CNAME at their A recordOct 11 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-help.ubuntu.com | DynamicDNS - Community Help Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/nzhye ]Oct 11 10:54
schestowitz> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/theres-nothing-mindblowing-about-windows-releasing-a-linux-osOct 11 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com | There's Nothing Mindblowing About Windows Releasing Its Own Linux OS | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/nzhyq ]Oct 11 10:55
schestowitz>Oct 11 10:55
schestowitz> opening pp is wrong.  no, only < 90% of all desktops and definitelyOct 11 10:55
schestowitz> barely present in embedded systems and consoles.Oct 11 10:55
schestowitzI noticed that very same line 2 weeks ago and pointed that out in Twitter. I didn't miss this lie either. I wonder if the author noticed his critics...Oct 11 10:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/653224382676996096Oct 11 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Most of them actually are, being foreign-funded.Oct 11 11:07
schestowitzSome, not all, and it's being used by extension to crush dissentOct 11 11:08
schestowitz> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/snowden-treaty-proposed-to-curtail-mass-surveillance-and-protect-whistleblowers/Oct 11 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | “Snowden Treaty” proposed to curtail mass surveillance and protect whistleblowers | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nuuqv ]Oct 11 11:16
schestowitz>Oct 11 11:16
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schestowitz> can't recall if I sent this via .co.ukOct 11 11:16
schestowitzmaybe, I'm going backwards in time now, so I don't know... yet. :-)Oct 11 11:16
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schestowitz>>> >> http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/Oct 11 12:02
schestowitz>>> >>Oct 11 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzhna ]Oct 11 12:02
schestowitz>>> >> systemd is not "here to stay" it is merely very pernicious and spreadingOct 11 12:02
schestowitz>>> >> at the moment.Oct 11 12:02
schestowitz>> > It'll take a lot to stop Red Hat's grand plan though.Oct 11 12:02
schestowitz> They probably saw the Halloween Documents and realized to try the sameOct 11 12:02
schestowitz> as M$, to decommoditize Linux.Oct 11 12:02
schestowitzWill help sell RHEL support contracts, that's for sure...Oct 11 12:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JamieXML/status/653241663997935616Oct 11 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JamieXML: "When fighting monsters … do not become a monster." Open hackathons versus hypercommercialized resume mills? https://t.co/ATdNoAdOx6Oct 11 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Selling Out and the Death of Hacker Culture https://t.co/1WdP9DsHGo "We’ve sold each other for profit and lost what makes us happy."Oct 11 12:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6691730Oct 11 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: " If you head to WPS.com, you find only Android, iOS and Linux versions of the suite." http://www.cnet.com/news/whats-the-best-free-alternative-to-microsoft-office/ no #microsoft #windowsOct 11 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnet.com | What's the best free alternative to Microsoft Office? - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/nzih8 ]Oct 11 12:39
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msb_schestowitz: Regarding systemd "here to stay", the author Christine Hall is not a software engineer, and knows nothing of good engineering principles.  This according to her autobio in one of her sites.  She's a literary writer.Oct 11 16:29
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msb_MinceR: "<MinceR> and religions only tell us lies".  You really should do some research before spouting such huge generalizations (Karl Marx didn't invent capitalism, either).   What I wrote about were "Goddess religions -- Earth-centered religions -- that told us how to take care of our world".  These gave people instructions for planting, weeding, harvesting, raising animals, etc., told as _stories_ by and about beings.  This format Oct 11 16:37
msb_made the information much more interesting and memorable to people than a bare list of instructions, because it appealed to their associative/metaphorical minds, not just their linear/literal minds.  Read up on Wicca.Oct 11 16:37
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MinceRyes, let's confuse agriculture with religionOct 11 17:19
MinceRconfusion works in putin's favor, after allOct 11 17:19
msb_I wrote a lengthy comment about systemd:  http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671Oct 11 17:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671 )Oct 11 17:21
MinceRand even if you get the procedure right by rote, embedding it in religion makes it static and impossible to improveOct 11 17:26
MinceRthus you get rules that forbid eating pork, shellfish, etc.Oct 11 17:26
msb_MinceR: No, you are confusing JCI religion with Wicca/Witchcraft/Goddess religion, which you probably have never researched.  Goddess religions are joyful and flexible.  And BTW, if you put some milk and cookies under your bed for Putin, who lives there, he'll be happy and will stop plotting against you.Oct 11 17:32
MinceRno, i'm talking about the fundamental principles of religionOct 11 17:34
MinceRthe idea of possessing a "Truth" that is inaccessible to reason, unprovable and delivered via revelationOct 11 17:34
MinceRtypically marking the ones possessing it as the Chosen People and everyone else as evil and/or expendableOct 11 17:34
MinceRand since it's inaccessible to reason and unprovable, it's also typically staticOct 11 17:35
MinceRand the only thing that will stop putin plotting against me is his deathOct 11 17:35
MinceRand by the way, putin is plotting against you as well, even if you refuse to realize itOct 11 17:35
msb_So put poison in his milk and cookies.Oct 11 17:36
MinceRi don't have access to his food or drink.Oct 11 17:36
msb_MinceR: You are talking about the fundamental principles of Judeo/Christian/Islamic religion.  Goddess religions are very different.  Read about them.Oct 11 17:45
MinceRare goddess religions devoid of dogma and magical thinking, then?Oct 11 17:52
MinceRdo they apply the scientific method?Oct 11 17:52
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msb_Goddess religions use metaphor, song, and dance, and are not absolutist.  Note that _you_ don't use the scientific method, whose first principle is to gather information.  You refuse to do that.Oct 11 18:02
MinceRno, the first principle of the scientific method is _not_ "gobble up all the bullshit from putin's propaganda machine"Oct 11 18:02
msb_MinceR: Do  you think that Putin invented Goddess religions, as you think that Karl Marx invented capitalism?Oct 11 18:05
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cubexyzAMI is under Microsoft's thumbOct 11 19:20
cubexyzit's an inescapeable conclusionOct 11 19:20
cubexyzeverything they do uses Microsoft techOct 11 19:23
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cubexyzmotherboard ID utility? Naturally it only works with windowsOct 11 19:23
cubexyzBIOS update? sameOct 11 19:24
cubexyzbuilding the BIOS image? MASM Oct 11 19:24
cubexyzoh well, screw AMIOct 11 19:29
cubexyzI can't over-emphasize how bad this situation isOct 11 19:30
cubexyzone might think, ok things aren't that bad but...Oct 11 19:32
cubexyzI can just turn off secure boot or whateverOct 11 19:32
cubexyzbut that is just the tip of the icebergOct 11 19:32
cubexyzTyan offers coreboot with there Opteron Line (I think you have to ask for it though)Oct 11 19:35
cubexyzs/there/their/Oct 11 19:35
cubexyzso Tyan, MSI, and Gigabyte are one's best bet for corebootOct 11 19:36
cubexyzI guess I'll contact Gigabyte and see what's upOct 11 19:39
cubexyzare they actually shipping coreboot on some motherboards, that is the questionOct 11 19:39
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cubexyzwe need to guard ourselves against the proprietary firmware companiesOct 11 21:21
msb_cubexyz: You seem to be using a "contamination" paradigm here, i.e., because AMI uses MS tools, their product is "under Microsoft's thumb" and therefore as evil as Microshit.Oct 11 21:25
cubexyzit's worse than merely used Microsoft toolsOct 11 21:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6680679Oct 11 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Software that is called "app" is almost always proprietary and connected to GPS, gyro etc. and can therefore never be trusted. Trendy? Yes.Oct 11 21:26
schestowitz"Yes, F-droid alerts you to antifeatures https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/Antifeatures"Oct 11 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-f-droid.org | Antifeatures - F-Droid [ http://ur1.ca/nzkma ]Oct 11 21:26
cubexyzit's using M$ tools to generate a proprietary blackbox productOct 11 21:26
schestowitzNiceOct 11 21:26
cubexyzI'm just pointing out that AMI is heavily dependent on MicrosoftOct 11 21:26
cubexyzand of course it makes it harder to do basic stuff with AMI BIOS with a Linux computerOct 11 21:27
cubexyzlike flashing your biosOct 11 21:27
cubexyzHence AMI is bad, and better alternatives existOct 11 21:27
msb_I would like to present an alternative.  When I first bought a mobo, and maybe before when I looked into the BOct 11 21:29
msb_BIOS of my first PC.  The BIOS mfr that I remember is AMI.  They may have been the first and principal bios mfr.Oct 11 21:30
cubexyzGary Kildall invented the first BIOSOct 11 21:30
msb_They started using MS tools because those were what was available for PCs.  I did too.Oct 11 21:30
cubexyzoriginally Intel wrote their own toolsOct 11 21:31
cubexyzthen shortly after that they started using MASMOct 11 21:32
msb_But AMI was the popular BIOS mfr, not Kildall.Oct 11 21:32
cubexyzthere was a history of CP/M computers before then IBM PC existedOct 11 21:34
msb_You say updating the bios requires a windows program.  It's not true, at least with the asus 990fx mobo.  A bios image can be loaded from a usb stick using only the bios, no OS at all.Oct 11 21:34
msb_The point is, the fact that AMI uses MS tools does not mean that their BIOS is "bad".  Oct 11 21:35
cubexyzI fail to see how it could be any worseOct 11 21:36
msb_The 990FX mobo uses an ami bios, but it can be updated without using windows.Oct 11 21:36
cubexyzthat's about as bad as can beOct 11 21:36
MinceRi think we'll find out in a decade or a few decades how bad it can beOct 11 21:36
MinceRapparently everyone who has power wants thatOct 11 21:37
cubexyzthe original IBM PC BIOS was built with Intel ASM86 Oct 11 21:37
msb_Your use of "bad" and "worse" are contentless judgement terms.  You're afraid of contamination.  You have to specify precisely _what_ is bad and _why_ it is bad.Oct 11 21:37
cubexyzI did specifiy _exactly_ what was badOct 11 21:38
msb_What?  Everything from AMI?Oct 11 21:38
cubexyzproprietary closed source BIOS which can't be reviewed or checked in any way other than reverse engineeringOct 11 21:38
cubexyzif it wasn't for the leaks, I would have no clue at all about what AMI does Oct 11 21:39
msb_What I suspect you're going to come up with is a slow expensive mobo/cpu combination, that will be of no use to people who want to play games or watch videos.  But you won't care because _you_ don't play games or watch videos.Oct 11 21:40
cubexyzmsb_ you are a real goofOct 11 21:40
cubexyzI worked for LGPOct 11 21:40
cubexyzdo you know what that means?Oct 11 21:41
msb_No, I'm telling the truth.Oct 11 21:41
msb_NoOct 11 21:41
cubexyzit means I worked for a video game publisherOct 11 21:41
cubexyzLinux Game PublishingOct 11 21:41
msb_So what?  If your solution is no good for playing games or watching compressed videos, it will not be accepted by the majority of people.  If you don't care about that, then you should admit it.Oct 11 21:42
msb_Linux can already circumvent UEFI, and the 990FX mobo can even turn it off entirely.Oct 11 21:43
MinceRcan it circumvent Restricted Boot that presents no option for disabling and doesn't let you to change the keys?Oct 11 21:44
msb_So the problem that remains is AMT/DASH, and if that can be solved with a $50 to $100 SBC router with open-source code, then _that_ solution _will_ work for most people.Oct 11 21:45
msb_MinceR: There is some kind of shim loader that is signed with MS keys that enables all Linuxes to boot.Oct 11 21:46
MinceRuntil m$ makes up a malware scare and revokes those keys.Oct 11 21:46
MinceRs/those keys/the certificate that loader is signed with/Oct 11 21:47
cubexyzright, let's become more dependent on Microsoft :-POct 11 21:47
cubexyzwhat a stupid ideaOct 11 21:47
MinceRhaving m$ hold the only keys to one's "computer" is unacceptableOct 11 21:47
cubexyzit's very simple...Oct 11 21:47
msb_Can those keys be revoked?  That would require the bios to call home to MS before accepting the keys.]Oct 11 21:47
cubexyzif you don't have the source code you don't have control, simple as thatOct 11 21:47
MinceRafaik it's designed so it can be revokedOct 11 21:47
msb_MinceR: please give a reference.Oct 11 21:48
MinceRbut it may require booting some OS that's obedient to m$ to actually do the call homeOct 11 21:48
MinceRanother way would be exploiting a security hole in winblows to chain-load your own bootloaderOct 11 21:48
MinceRbut i don't want to have to jailbreak my computerOct 11 21:48
msb_In that case, if the shim loader loads Linux, the MS key cannot be revoked.Oct 11 21:48
MinceRuntil someone boots winblows on that system onceOct 11 21:49
MinceRor until systemd does the call home, etc.Oct 11 21:49
MinceRhttps://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html-single/UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide/#sect-UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide-What_is_Secure_Boot-Risks-Unproven_RevocationOct 11 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html-single/UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide/#sect-UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide-What_is_Secure_Boot-Risks-Unproven_Revocation )Oct 11 21:49
msb_On the 990FX mobo all the keys can be removed in the process of turning off UEFI.Oct 11 21:49
MinceRas usual, they aren't terribly forthcoming on the detailsOct 11 21:50
MinceRapparently what our computers are doing are the business of m$, crApple and redcrapOct 11 21:50
cubexyzthere's redboot nowOct 11 21:50
cubexyzRedhat made itOct 11 21:50
MinceRhttps://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12897.htmlOct 11 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | The security of Secure BootOct 11 21:51
MinceRfind: "revocation"Oct 11 21:51
MinceR"But eventually you'll be noticed, and then Microsoft produce a key revocation blob and vendors push it out via their OS update mechanisms."Oct 11 21:51
cubexyzwhy put yourselves in a position where you'd be dependent on Microsoft's key?Oct 11 21:52
cubexyzmadness...Oct 11 21:52
MinceRis it madness if most people are "mad"?Oct 11 21:52
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RedBootOct 11 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | RedBoot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaOct 11 21:52
cubexyzMinceR, yesOct 11 21:52
MinceR:>Oct 11 21:52
cubexyzthe truth is the truthOct 11 21:52
cubexyzmost people aren't 'mad', they just don't think about stuff like BIOSOct 11 21:53
MinceRit seems to me that most people happily cede control to companies like m$ and crAppleOct 11 21:53
MinceRfor example, see the popularity of crApple's backdoored mobile devicesOct 11 21:54
cubexyzwhat they tell me is one of two things:Oct 11 21:54
MinceRalso, talk to such peopleOct 11 21:54
MinceRthey'll tell you they don't mindOct 11 21:54
cubexyzI'm too old to learn $NEW_THINGOct 11 21:54
cubexyzorOct 11 21:54
cubexyzIt's too hard to learn, I can't understand itOct 11 21:54
cubexyzI made the same mistakes when I was youngerOct 11 21:55
cubexyzit's taken me a long time to get to this pointOct 11 21:55
cubexyzand they are right, it is hard to learn all the details about the BIOSOct 11 21:56
cubexyzbut that's what I've decided to doOct 11 21:56
cubexyzlike I said before, I'm seeing more customers use chromebooks, so there is some will to break away from the "mother-ship" of MicrosoftOct 11 21:57
amarsh04forgot to repost this here from the author of uselessd: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/Oct 11 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ]Oct 11 21:57
MinceRif only to move to the "mother-ship" of googleOct 11 21:57
MinceRas most of them will never use developer modeOct 11 21:57
cubexyzMincer, if you have a superior suggestion, I'm all ears :)Oct 11 21:58
MinceRbut at least they could if they wanted toOct 11 21:58
MinceRi don't have any suggestion that can be practically implemented right nowOct 11 21:58
cubexyzI can tell you I've talked to some Google and Coreboot peopleOct 11 21:58
cubexyzand they are much friendlier than Microsoft people by farOct 11 21:59
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cubexyzall AMI has to do to change my mind about them is simple: give me commented source code to one motherboardOct 11 21:59
cubexyzthat's it... if they do that, I'll give them a thumbs upOct 11 22:00
cubexyzpeople do have a vague idea that the computer world is getting more closedOct 11 22:01
cubexyzlook at PVRs, once they did not encrypt the video, now they almost always doOct 11 22:01
cubexyzMinceR, hopefully Novena will catch on and become cheaperOct 11 22:02
MinceRhopefully they're willing to manufacture the Senoko boards againOct 11 22:03
MinceRwithout those, it isn't even a laptopOct 11 22:03
MinceRat any rate, it's probably a PITA to acquire at allOct 11 22:04
MinceRwell, at least some chromebooks are available for sale in hungary nowOct 11 22:04
MinceRafaict a few months ago there were noneOct 11 22:04
msb_cubexyz: It's ridiculous to expect AMI to give you "commented source code to one motherboard".  They would be killing their entire business -- their source of income.Oct 11 22:06
cubexyzmsb_, I told them any motherboard, no matter how oldOct 11 22:06
cubexyzwell, newer than IBM PC at leastOct 11 22:07
msb_What would a very old one accomplish?Oct 11 22:07
cubexyzI have commented AMI BIOS source code anywaysOct 11 22:07
msb_Please share it.Oct 11 22:07
msb_Does it deal with UEFI/secure-boot or AMT/DASH?Oct 11 22:08
MinceRwell, redcrap has apparently developed a method to avoid leaking commented source codeOct 11 22:08
cubexyzI have two: 1999 era, and 2011 era BIOSOct 11 22:08
MinceRthey don't write comments in the first placeOct 11 22:08
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/ami-firmware.torrentOct 11 22:09
cubexyzthat's the newer oneOct 11 22:09
msb_So far, what I've seen about MS revoking their keys involves MS putting out a BIOS update.  Oct 11 22:09
MinceRi don't think that's a full-blown BIOS updateOct 11 22:10
MinceRbut what if it is?Oct 11 22:10
MinceRthey're still going to install it automatically if you let their malware boot onceOct 11 22:10
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/mystery-code-do-not-look.zipOct 11 22:10
cubexyzok, that disappears in a hour :)Oct 11 22:10
cubexyzyou have your chance, make your time :)Oct 11 22:10
MinceRmystery meat!Oct 11 22:11
MinceRyou have no chance to survive make your time.Oct 11 22:11
msb_To avoid that, one can refuse any BIOS update.  But a safer approach is to save your working BIOS, and reflash with that if your bios gets updated against your wishes.Oct 11 22:11
MinceRif they allow you to reflashOct 11 22:11
cubexyzsome notes:Oct 11 22:12
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/bios.txtOct 11 22:12
cubexyzthe weird thing is AMI does have a SVN for BIOS source codeOct 11 22:14
cubexyznot sure how much $$$ you need to get accessOct 11 22:15
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cubexyzthe problem with using Microsoft's key is what if you compile your kernel and now they need you to have a signed kernel?Oct 11 22:19
cubexyzit's a problemOct 11 22:19
MinceRprobably one of the first steps will involve demanding you to use redcrap's signed kernel blobOct 11 22:21
MinceRand it will get darker from thereOct 11 22:21
cubexyzso forced systemd potentiallyOct 11 22:21
MinceRindeedOct 11 22:21
MinceRi suspect that kernel will be garrettux anywayOct 11 22:22
MinceRwith kdbusOct 11 22:22
cubexyzthe 1999 BIOS is pretty clean, I haven't found anything bad Oct 11 22:22
msb_cubexyz: Thanks for that stuff!Oct 11 22:23
cubexyzmsb_, what stuff?Oct 11 22:23
cubexyz:)Oct 11 22:23
cubexyzjust a mystery file that will be deletedOct 11 22:23
msb_Can't one just use the signed shim-loader and then any OS?Oct 11 22:23
cubexyzmaybeOct 11 22:24
MinceRonly as long as m$ will sign (and not revoke the signature on) a loader that will load any OSOct 11 22:24
MinceRsee 'malware scare' aboveOct 11 22:24
cubexyzit's such a simple thing, wanting the BIOS source codeOct 11 22:25
cubexyzand yet, so difficult to getOct 11 22:25
MinceRit's such a simple thing, wanting control over what a device someone bought with their own moneyOct 11 22:26
msb_But if you can save the original bios image, and then reflash it if MS manages to change your bios, you're ok, right?Oct 11 22:26
MinceRdoesOct 11 22:26
MinceRi'm not sure if you can even dump the imageOct 11 22:26
MinceRor where it actually stores the revocation informationOct 11 22:26
cubexyzright, it's all a big mysteryOct 11 22:27
msb_With the 990FX mobo, you can dump the bios image to a usb stick and restore it from there using only the bios -- no os.  You can do the same with the keys.Oct 11 22:28
cubexyzthe fact of the matter is, not even raspberry pi has BIOS source code Oct 11 22:28
msb_But hopefully some SBC does, with two ethernet ports, that can be used to make a router.Oct 11 22:30
MinceRor an ethernet port and a usb port, or two usb portsOct 11 22:30
MinceRthough i guess usb ethernet dongles are less than optimalOct 11 22:31
cubexyzeventually someone is going to do itOct 11 22:31
MinceRbut afaik raspberry pi-s already use an ethernet port that's internally connected via usbOct 11 22:31
cubexyzAward merged with Phoenix btwOct 11 22:31
cubexyzthe other question is why did IBM offer 286 BIOS source code, and never again after that?Oct 11 22:32
msb_cubexyz: Right!  Two more names I remember.Oct 11 22:33
cubexyzbut I don't remember flashing the BIOS on a 286Oct 11 22:34
cubexyzimagine booting into a BASIC of your own designOct 11 22:35
*MinceR shuddersOct 11 22:35
cubexyzon the Amiga we changed the rom chipOct 11 22:39
MinceRapparently now discrete rom chips and sockets are too expensiveOct 11 22:40
msb_The hard part may be finding the AMT/DASH command packet codes so they can be filtered out.Oct 11 22:40
cubexyzyou had to update the BIOS somehow on the IBM AT to get 720K 3.5" drives workingOct 11 22:41
cubexyzmy 286 clone had 1.2 meg 5.25 drivesOct 11 22:42
cubexyzCompaq reverse engineerede the IBM BIOSOct 11 22:49
cubexyzengineeredOct 11 22:49
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Franklin_Computer_Corp.Oct 11 22:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Franklin_Computer_Corp )Oct 11 22:50
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Franklin_Computer_CorpOct 11 22:51
cubexyzok, just search on "Apple Computer vs Franklin"Oct 11 22:53
cubexyzFranklin cloned the Apple IIOct 11 22:53
cubexyzFranklin actually won their case but...Oct 11 22:54
cubexyzApple appealedOct 11 22:55
cubexyzI think the IBM 286 used Phoenix BIOSOct 11 22:55
cubexyzor maybe it was the clonesOct 11 22:55
cubexyzanyways, Phoenix made the first PC ROM BIOS 'clone'Oct 11 22:57
cubexyzPhoenix also developed the PS/2 BIOSOct 11 22:58
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/jepsFVd.jpgOct 11 23:38
cubexyzinteresting magazine prediction from 1987:Oct 12 00:02
cubexyz"the market will transition from an IBM standard to a Intel/MS-DOS/expansion bus standard"Oct 12 00:02
msb_Can't find anything on the AMD website about whether the FX-8350 contains the DASH system.  DASH is supposed to be an "open standard" so maybe they'll talk to me on the phone about it.Oct 12 00:34
msb_I've narrowed the population I want to find secure solutions for two groups:  1. People willing to use Linux who already have a computer they like 2. People willing to use Linux and are looking to buy a new fast computer.Oct 12 00:38
msb_Of course windows users are hopeless.Oct 12 00:38
msb_AMD FX-8350 CPU and ASUS 990FX mobo will work for group 2 (which includes me) if that CPU doesn't have DASH or if its command packets can be filtered out by an SBC router.Oct 12 00:41
cubexyzthe corporate forces are aligned against the peopleOct 12 00:41
cubexyzMicrosoft, AMI, Adobe, Apple, etc etcOct 12 00:41
cubexyzoh you may as well add HP to that listOct 12 00:42
cubexyzthey've been quite unhelpful in the last decade or soOct 12 00:42
msb_Why include AMI?  Their BIOS for the 990FX can totally disable secure-boot, and can easily (re-)flash the BIOS.Oct 12 00:43
cubexyzwell AMI is a google partnerOct 12 00:49
msb_...and remove and replace the secure-boot keys.Oct 12 00:49
msb_So?Oct 12 00:50
cubexyzI have to study this on a case by case basis but so far I do not trust AMIOct 12 00:53
cubexyzthere's been cases of ASUS notebook owners getting locked out of LinuxOct 12 00:54
cubexyzAMI BIOSOct 12 00:55
msb_Were you able to fix them?Oct 12 00:55
cubexyzno, these were people I haven't met in personOct 12 00:56
cubexyzjust telling me about it via emailOct 12 00:56
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msb_Did they get fixed?Oct 12 00:56
cubexyzbasically what they tell me is that they disabled secure boot and still couldn't load linux onOct 12 00:56
msb_So this was during Linux installation?Oct 12 00:57
cubexyzyes, I think after quite a long time they did manage to get Kubuntu on Oct 12 00:59
msb_What did the problem turn out to be?Oct 12 00:59
cubexyzsomething about "launch CSM"Oct 12 00:59
msb_That's the compatibility (no secure-boot) module.Oct 12 01:00
msb_Was their bios up to date?Oct 12 01:01
cubexyzI doubt itOct 12 01:01
msb_maybe thiOct 12 01:01
msb_maybe their CSM was half-baked.Oct 12 01:02
msb_It might be a comparatively new feature, as AMI realized that there are a lot of Linu Oct 12 01:03
msb_Linux users.Oct 12 01:03
msb_So that's not a reason to reject AMI.Oct 12 01:04
cubexyzI'm looking at some AMI code right nowOct 12 01:12
cubexyzand it's clear it's been designed mainly for Windows 7 Oct 12 01:12
cubexyzthere is much to study hereOct 12 01:13
msb_Does Linux ever execute any bios code once it has booted up?Oct 12 01:14
cubexyzI'll say that modern BIOS can operate at a level which is invisible to the main OSOct 12 01:17
cubexyzso basically AMI is writing for Windows firstOct 12 01:18
msb_can it do that if it never gets executed after boot.Oct 12 01:18
cubexyzLinux is an after-thoughtOct 12 01:18
cubexyzI know the Linux folks try to use the BIOS as little as possible since they don't trust itOct 12 01:18
msb_So we're interested in whether there are any nasties built into bios that could operate under Linux.Oct 12 01:19
cubexyzinvisible to Linux I think is the best way to describe itOct 12 01:19
cubexyzsometimes that is called ring -1Oct 12 01:19
cubexyzI know AMI tests on RedhatOct 12 01:21
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cubexyzthe BIOS knows which OS you haveOct 12 01:21
msb_First off, one should boot Linux air-gapped -- with the Net physically disconnected.  That way any nasties couldn't phone home.  So they'd have to know how to mess up any of the many distros from info included in the bios.Oct 12 01:21
cubexyzwell the first place I'm looking is SmmDriverDispatcher.cOct 12 01:22
cubexyzsome of it is under a BSD licenseOct 12 01:25
cubexyzalso there's comments complaining about what the Microsoft compiler doesOct 12 01:29
cubexyzwell probably wireshark or tcpdump would be good enough to see any phone home activityOct 12 01:31
cubexyzI guess it wouldn't show everythingOct 12 01:32
cubexyzif you ran everything for 10 years and never had a problem well then I would say it's fineOct 12 01:35
cubexyzbut my computers are all non-DASHOct 12 01:36
cubexyzit's interesting watching the ARP trafficOct 12 01:40
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cubexyzif the router becomes unreponsive I'll watch to see if the ARP messages are still happeningOct 12 01:42
msb_Ring -1 is for VM execs, right?  And since there are open-source VM execs, we should be able to figure out how to detect ring -1 activity.Oct 12 02:32
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653461705704538112Oct 12 04:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Congratulations on obtaining a copy of the Closer Contact With Major Applicants document that you were able to publish. Great.Oct 12 04:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/653462041374687232Oct 12 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID.Oct 12 04:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/653462041374687232Oct 12 04:54
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msb_cubexyz: https://community.amd.com/ideas/1115Oct 12 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-community.amd.com | Remote Diskwipe Solution for IT Administrator | CommunityOct 12 12:13
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msb_cubexyz: on the phone now with AMD customer service to get info on DASHOct 12 12:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BrauweilerK/status/653593778322731011Oct 12 12:25
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schestowitzgermany's biggest it news siteOct 12 12:26
schestowitztechrights citedOct 12 12:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653598877371793408Oct 12 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz cool Heise story about your EPO closer contacts post!Oct 12 12:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/LibertyIsALady/status/653572395043651584Oct 12 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LibertyIsALady: @bi_politics Righttttt. http://t.co/oqp0RX9cQd http://t.co/U7hjygr6VXOct 12 12:36
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CMSFreiberufler/status/653599027087339521Oct 12 12:36
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msb_DASH info should be coming from AMD in the next two days.Oct 12 12:40
msb_...or a SWAT team.  I told him I wanted the info so people could _prevent_ their computer from being remote controlled.Oct 12 12:42
schestowitzwithout the pointer to the document title it wouldn't have happened, so thanksOct 12 12:44
msb_schestowitz: Congratulations!  Oct 12 12:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/653551114021904384Oct 12 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Actual link to the article is http://t.co/Z5H1vaNce6 :-)Oct 12 12:47
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schestowitzoops, I was on the phone when I posted this...Oct 12 12:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653612661117198336Oct 12 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz no problem. I just had to honor a promise not to publish or share it myself. Glad you're increasingly focused on EPO issesOct 12 12:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/653520905339998209Oct 12 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "ppl may face jail time for ©® infringements [even]without financial gain if [such] significantly impact ©® holders" https://t.co/iijxJSnxuEOct 12 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Leaked #TPP Chapter Proposes Drastic Copyright Changes https://t.co/gtm1PER2WQ tilting law against the poor, the empower PowerOct 12 12:49
schestowitzmsb_: thanksOct 12 12:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Rich61080/status/653615616411176960Oct 12 13:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Rich61080: @schestowitz Genghis Khan is celebrated in Mongolia and has been recognized by the Chinese government.Oct 12 13:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694325Oct 12 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux golden age threatened by bug army http://www.techeye.net/news/linux-golden-age-threatened-by-bug-army well, compare to https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/653185875715624960Oct 12 13:02
schestowitz"Why are you sharing a 2 year old story?"Oct 12 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techeye.net | Linux golden age threatened by bug army | TechEye [ http://ur1.ca/nzpv8 ]Oct 12 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nixcraft: New @Snowden revelations confirm @Microsoft Tells the NSA about encryption backdoors in proprietary Windows software https://t.co/SskMDnXQEcOct 12 13:02
schestowitzBoth links are new, but the third one is old and relevantOct 12 13:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6600006Oct 12 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Driver development for Windows, in #vista10 included, is still a sordid mess. Windows has hardly evolved, based on inside sources.Marketing.Oct 12 13:03
schestowitz"yes indeed"Oct 12 13:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DickInman/status/653616852724154368Oct 12 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DickInman: @schestowitz Genghis Khan's exploits didn't have this wonderful result: #merica #HappyColumbusDayOct 12 13:04
schestowitzMerica?Oct 12 13:04
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694260Oct 12 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: White Hat Hackers Would Have Their Devices Destroyed Under the TPP http://motherboard.vice.com/read/white-hat-hackers-would-have-their-devices-destroyed-under-the-tpp #tpp is like #whitecollar crime against societyOct 12 13:05
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schestowitz"Secret IP police."Oct 12 13:05
schestowitzGoons of the richOct 12 13:05
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6694474Oct 12 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When my wife worked in #taiwan (for US company) she said they did union-busting, fired >potential< charismatic person >AND< her friendOct 12 13:05
schestowitz"wtf"Oct 12 13:05
schestowitz#china #prcOct 12 13:05
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6693412Oct 12 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Solus Is Getting User Repositories http://news.softpedia.com/news/solus-is-getting-user-repositories-494310.shtml #gnu #linuxOct 12 13:06
schestowitz"what is their package manager? is it one that other distros use too or do they develop it completely from scratch?"Oct 12 13:06
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schestowitzHaven't checked myself, maybe others can weigh inOct 12 13:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/653617330807816192Oct 12 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz There needs to be more shoe throwing all round.Oct 12 13:06
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695575Oct 12 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ColumbusDay is a celebration of aggressive invasion. Imagine Iraqis celebrating "Bush Day" or Cambodia celebrating "Kissinger Day".Oct 12 13:25
schestowitz"You're preaching to the choir, my friend."Oct 12 13:25
schestowitzI used the hashtag hoping to reach outside the choirOct 12 13:25
schestowitz[21:29] <msb_> schestowitz: Regarding systemd "here to stay", the author Christine Hall is not a software engineer, and knows nothing of good engineering principles.  This according to her autobio in one of her sites.  She's a literary writer.Oct 12 13:28
schestowitzYes, but...Oct 12 13:28
schestowitzDon't go ad hominem on herOct 12 13:28
schestowitzshe's pro FOSSOct 12 13:28
schestowitzbut also pro DRM gaspOct 12 13:28
schestowitz[23:09] <cubexyz> HA, dual core 2 gigahertz is oldOct 12 13:31
schestowitzMy wife has 1.5 dualOct 12 13:31
schestowitzboth of us have just 2gb of ramOct 12 13:31
schestowitzand it's mostly enough, although kf5 is choking on itOct 12 13:31
schestowitztoo bloated and buggy, stillOct 12 13:31
schestowitzneeds to stabliseOct 12 13:31
schestowitz*stabiliseOct 12 13:31
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msb_To Christine Hall's credit, she not only left my very large comment in, but cited it in the recent comments column.  http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671Oct 12 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzqlv ]Oct 12 14:02
msb_Oops, not in the recent column anymore, but still with the article.Oct 12 14:05
msb_This article is truly excellent, and turned me on to her site:  http://fossforce.com/2015/09/in-the-seed-of-a-raspberry-is-the-future-of-linux/Oct 12 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nv5mb ]Oct 12 14:09
msb_If you see an article on fossforce promoting DRM, add a comment to the article explaining why it's so bad.  Include a link to techrights.Oct 12 14:13
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/653650361211817985Oct 12 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wendycockcroft: #opensource for the win! https://t.co/JG9bz6tGdMOct 12 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Italy’s Bari switching to #LibreOffice and ODF https://t.co/CiP4zqHVXe #europe #italy #freesw #odf #standard #bariOct 12 15:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/invizbox/status/653655509652930560Oct 12 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@invizbox: @schestowitz thanks for the tweet!Oct 12 15:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653655679270449152Oct 12 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: How to be critical of systemd, without devolving into the tired religious wars. Long and technical. @schestowitz http://t.co/Y2Yvg2yDwxOct 12 15:39
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653671925403664384Oct 12 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz it's a discussion that needs to happen and has been long overdue. It needs to run its course or it'll keep occurring.Oct 12 16:45
schestowitzThere are more discussions, mostly technical, worth having. This one has taken up over a week...Oct 12 16:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653673337562886144Oct 12 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz absolutely! But this is still one that needs to happen alongside those.Oct 12 16:48
schestowitzit distracts developers who work on Linux for nearly a week now. They need to get on with work...Oct 12 16:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653674081540112384Oct 12 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz there's nothing stopping them or distracting them. The people who need to focus, will.Oct 12 16:51
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schestowitzhard when a shitstorm on the Internet speaks personally about themOct 12 16:52
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695888Oct 12 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 5 Reasons to Still Choose an Android Phone Over an iPhone http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/10/5-reasons-to-choose-an-android-device-over-an-ipho.htmlOct 12 17:03
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schestowitz"I’m sure listing “deep integration with Google services” as a benefit will go over really well with the Diaspora community lol."Oct 12 17:03
schestowitz"I remember in Cory Doctorow’s For The Win, Coca Cola was the maker of the mmorpg around which the story centers."Oct 12 17:08
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6695783Oct 12 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Leak reveals a brand-new Android phone made by… Pepsi http://bgr.com/2015/10/12/pepsi-android-smartphone-price-leak/ #android #linux #pepsiOct 12 17:08
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schestowitzI remember playing computer games revolving around food products like 7UP and others...Oct 12 17:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/653676322795814912Oct 12 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz and there's a bloody good reason for that happening.Oct 12 17:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/hydrofal78/status/653678002870616064Oct 12 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hydrofal78: @schestowitz @KimDotcom is there a chance we get our documents downloaded?There was no warning email and cannot access the cloud now.Oct 12 17:09
schestowitzFBI et al want all the files wiped. Because they said so. Not even hosted in the US at the time.Oct 12 17:10
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/hydrofal78/status/653679534198407168Oct 12 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hydrofal78: @schestowitz @KimDotcom that's not fair;I've got old work documents kept as an archive;how can we ask for a chance to get them?Oct 12 17:15
schestowitz> x http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-the-linux-company/Oct 12 17:19
schestowitz>Oct 12 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | ​Microsoft's love affair with Linux deepens | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/nztj1 ]Oct 12 17:19
schestowitz> does he write those titles or do the editors?Oct 12 17:19
schestowitzEditors. i challenged him over it...Oct 12 17:19
schestowitz"on the same day that the country's President Xi Jinping and aOct 12 17:21
schestowitzdelegation visited its campus at Redmond"Oct 12 17:21
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2985902/microsoft-cuts-deals-in-china-with-government-organizations-and-companies.htmlOct 12 17:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Microsoft tailors Windows 10 for China, cutting deals with Baidu and others | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/nztkv ]Oct 12 17:21
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schestowitz> https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/Platforms/Oct 12 17:24
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msb_XRevan86: cubexyz: MinceR:  Have any of you read this entire article?   http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/Oct 12 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ]Oct 12 18:14
MinceRi'm reading itOct 12 18:14
MinceRi'm at 53%Oct 12 18:14
msb_systemd is an enormous godawful mess.  No wonder it has 36MB of source code.Oct 12 18:15
cubexyzmotherboard BIOS is getting very big alsoOct 12 18:15
cubexyzCedar Trail on it's own is 87 megs of filesOct 12 18:16
cubexyznot the sort of thing your going to be able to study easilyOct 12 18:16
cubexyzs/your/you're/Oct 12 18:16
cubexyzmy advice remains the same:Oct 12 18:17
cubexyzkeep one older computer with non-systemd and simpler BIOS (with source code if at all possible)Oct 12 18:17
msb_I once programmed for a company that made implantable defibrillators.  They had a test setup consisting of six PCs running some kind of object-oriented system to test the defibrillators (which were 6502 based).Oct 12 18:17
cubexyzdid you know that some of the PDP-11 folks consider PCs to be broken?Oct 12 18:19
msb_None of them could figure out what the object-oriented realtime system was actually doing.  I wrote a simple program to analyze the defibrillator output, which revealed that it was emitting spurious pulses that could cause fibrillation and kill the patient.  The company was not going to fix the defib, as they had already written up some 600 pages of test data for the FDA.  So they fired me the next week.Oct 12 18:20
cubexyzas in the design itself is badOct 12 18:20
msb_cubexyz: "bad" how?  With a good OS, PCs work fine.Oct 12 18:22
cubexyzexcept they mess up all the timeOct 12 18:23
msb_What are you talking about?  Mine runs for months with no problems until there's a power failure.Oct 12 18:24
msb_You have a dozen of them.  Are they messing up all the time?Oct 12 18:24
cubexyzat the application level? definitelyOct 12 18:25
cubexyzat the X11 level? surelyOct 12 18:25
cubexyzdoes the text console fail? it doesOct 12 18:25
msb_Not that I see such problems, but how do you figure that the fundamental structure of the computer is at fault>Oct 12 18:26
msb_?Oct 12 18:26
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msb_Anyhow, you changed the subject to BIOS, which is mostly doing one thing at a time if it's doing anything (in Linux).Oct 12 18:28
cubexyzWhat I'm saying is that the complexitiy of the PC is such that one person can't understand itOct 12 18:28
cubexyzI'm not saying the architecture is broken, this PDP-11 guy is saying thatOct 12 18:29
MinceRi think there are too many dirty little secrets in all modern computersOct 12 18:29
MinceRsecret hardware designs, secret microcode, secret firmware, etc.Oct 12 18:30
cubexyzif you aren't switching from text console to X11 mode a lot you might not see some of the problems I'm seeingOct 12 18:30
msb_What I'm talking about is this article:  http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/  which reveals systemd to be a super-complex object-oriented real-time abortion enormously bigger than the one I encountered at the defibrillator company, which hid the fact that their product was going to stop people's hearts and kill them.Oct 12 18:31
cubexyzif I ran a system with no sound card, and no X11 at all then it would be extremely stableOct 12 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ]Oct 12 18:31
MinceRit's worse than thatOct 12 18:31
cubexyzeven so I've run X11 for over a year, so it's not badOct 12 18:32
MinceRit reveals the service manager aspect of systemd to be thatOct 12 18:32
MinceRand on top of that, there's a mandatory broken syslogd replacementOct 12 18:32
cubexyzit's just that it fails under certain conditionsOct 12 18:32
MinceRand a dozen other thingsOct 12 18:32
MinceRor moreOct 12 18:32
MinceRplus there's the toxic attitude of its backersOct 12 18:32
MinceRand the atrocious code qualityOct 12 18:32
cubexyzsystemd isn't Unix philosophyOct 12 18:33
cubexyzso I don't use itOct 12 18:33
cubexyzPDP11 guy says:Oct 12 18:33
cubexyzAnyone still recall how the memory layout actually looks like on a PC? Or the ugly architecture that x86 is? Or the strange and silly IRQ and DMA setups you needed to do on cards on the ISA bus, or the dependecies on the BIOS, which in the old days had the geometry of every kind of disk in tables in the BIOS, fixed even... Or the various video cards with incompatible interfaces and peculiarities..Oct 12 18:33
msb_To make systemd into something that could brick Linux computers at government command, probably no code changes would even be needed, just some parameter changes.Oct 12 18:34
cubexyzyou can brick the BIOS for that matterOct 12 18:34
cubexyzno systemd needed :)Oct 12 18:34
msb_Not remotely, unless via DASH.Oct 12 18:35
cubexyzthere's lots of other problems too, but in the hardwareOct 12 18:35
cubexyzsure, you can brick the BIOS with DASHOct 12 18:35
cubexyzjust overwrite it with malicious codeOct 12 18:36
cubexyzuh, without DASH I meanOct 12 18:36
cubexyzit's not likely thoughOct 12 18:36
MinceRCIH bricked the BIOS without DASH :>Oct 12 18:36
cubexyzrightOct 12 18:36
cubexyzthat's kind of why we have all this secure boot stuff nowOct 12 18:37
cubexyzit's good and bad at the same timeOct 12 18:37
cubexyzDASH is good and bad as wellOct 12 18:38
cubexyzwith DASH you could remotely fix problemsOct 12 18:38
cubexyzand cause them in the first placeOct 12 18:38
cubexyzif your BIOS has unused space, the bad code can hide in itOct 12 18:39
cubexyzI've already mentioned the BMP vulerabilityOct 12 18:40
msb_cubexyz: PCs evolved with innovation on top of innovation.  That's why the architecture is so "ugly" now.  But it works great!  And what happened to DEC, with its beautifully designed PDP-11 series?  They were too expensive, and DEC was sold off to Compaq, HP and Intel.Oct 12 18:40
cubexyzmsb_, right, DEC messed up big timeOct 12 18:41
msb_CIH is a windows virus, right?  Windows systems are hopelessly insecure.Oct 12 18:43
cubexyzCIH could KO the BIOS itself, not sure if that could happen with Linux Oct 12 18:44
cubexyzif the BIOS gets overwritten, all bets are offOct 12 18:44
cubexyzpersonally I can't think of PCs as 'great'Oct 12 18:46
cubexyzif you repair laptops often enough... you'll see what I meanOct 12 18:47
cubexyzdamaged GDUs, and other kinds of heat damageOct 12 18:47
cubexyzGPU? GPUOct 12 18:47
MinceRthere are no PDP-11 laptops though, afaikOct 12 18:48
msb_cubexyz: PCs are what we've got.  Staying with AMD for the moment, the FX-8350 is an excellent CPU and the ASUS 990FX is an excellent mobo in which secure-boot can easily be turned off.  So if the DASH vulnerability can be fixed, or doesn't even exist with the 8350, that combination provides a superb high-speed computer suitable for everyone.Oct 12 18:48
msb_High-speed _and_ secure.Oct 12 18:49
cubexyzno, no PDP-11 laptops, microPDP in a small case is the best you can do Oct 12 18:49
cubexyzexcept you have tons of binary blobs, and no clue what they doOct 12 18:49
cubexyzthat's the problem with modern PCsOct 12 18:50
msb_Well, we now have the C and assembly source code to modern AMI BIOS, so you can see what the blobs made from that will do.  I predict it's nothing malicious.Oct 12 18:52
cubexyzfrom 2011, nothing from 2015Oct 12 18:52
cubexyzthat doesn't include other types of firmware eitherOct 12 18:53
cubexyzhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/Oct 12 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Meet “badBIOS,” the mysterious Mac and PC malware that jumps airgaps | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fys2h ]Oct 12 18:54
msb_The Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge code in the torrent are from 2012.Oct 12 18:55
cubexyzI just grepped the whole thing for 2012 and zero matchesOct 12 18:56
cubexyzwell hold on, I don't think I've looked at Sandy Bridge yetOct 12 18:57
cubexyzno matches in Cedar Trail I should sayOct 12 18:57
cubexyzit's hugeOct 12 18:58
cubexyzno matches in Sandy Bridge eitherOct 12 18:59
cubexyzok, Ivy Bridge does have files with 2012 in themOct 12 19:01
cubexyzI think the leak was announced in 2013Oct 12 19:01
cubexyzlots of good info though, it will be years before one can digest all thisOct 12 19:09
cubexyzyou can see in Luna Pier's History.txt that testing was done on Windows XPOct 12 19:10
cubexyzone can see my point AMI tests mainly for WindowsOct 12 19:12
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cubexyzthe proof is voluminousOct 12 19:13
cubexyzand we say that win95 is bad but...Oct 12 19:14
cubexyzand it was terrible...Oct 12 19:14
cubexyzbut to suggest that windows 10 is fine and everything's A-OK would be crazyOct 12 19:15
cubexyzto me, this code just reaffirms that Microsoft has their hooks into everythingOct 12 19:17
cubexyzI predicted the Microsoft only computer would happenOct 12 19:17
cubexyzcomputers will become balkanized Oct 12 19:18
cubexyzGoogle computer, Apple computer, Microsoft computerOct 12 19:18
cubexyzon the fringe we'll have Amiga, Vax, PDP-11, etcOct 12 19:19
cubexyzread that Arstechnica article...Oct 12 19:21
msb_Yeah, and Putin is going to blow the tits off the Earth.Oct 12 19:21
msb_The Ars article reminds me of this deliciously scary movie about an alien lifeform that comes to Earth via a radio signal:  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138304/combinedOct 12 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The Astronaut's Wife (1999) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvc8 ]Oct 12 19:22
cubexyzRuiu did sound a bit paranoidOct 12 19:23
cubexyzbut he had a major problem, no doubt about thatOct 12 19:23
msb_Do Windows machines instantly execute any program they find on a USB stick?  Do Linux machines?Oct 12 19:24
cubexyzhaOct 12 19:24
cubexyzgood questionOct 12 19:24
cubexyzpretty sure Linux doesn'tOct 12 19:24
cubexyzbut remember CDs with autostart?Oct 12 19:25
msb_Windows certainly used to execute any exe file it got in an e-mail.  Fun and games there!Oct 12 19:25
cubexyzwindows had autorun on CDs for sureOct 12 19:25
msb_Even the most devilish virus is harmless as long as it remains just data and doesn't get executed.Oct 12 19:26
cubexyzI had a customer ask me for a computer without USBOct 12 19:27
cubexyzyou can disconnect the ribbon cable :)Oct 12 19:28
cubexyzone scenario... hacker leaves a usb stick by your computerOct 12 19:29
cubexyzcurious user plugs it in to see what's on itOct 12 19:29
msb_There's another great movie, "Virus", with Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Sutherland:  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120458/combinedOct 12 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Virus (1999) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvfo ]Oct 12 19:30
msb_A virus comes to earth and begins building robot bodies for itself, some incorporating human parts!Oct 12 19:31
cubexyz1999 was a rather pessimistic year it seemsOct 12 19:31
cubexyzY2K! Grocery stores will be empty! Planes will fall out of the sky!Oct 12 19:31
msb_Then there was this one, about an electrical virus traveling through the power lines:  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095924/combinedOct 12 19:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Pulse (1988) [ http://ur1.ca/nzvh9 ]Oct 12 19:33
msb_So good!Oct 12 19:33
msb_"Paranoia is just another word for heightened awareness."Oct 12 19:35
cubexyzhigh frequency transmissions passed between computer speakers and microphones?Oct 12 19:36
cubexyzthat's movie material right there :)Oct 12 19:37
msb_"It don't just crawl in on your wires.   It ain't a *thing*.  It's a *signal*.   A *pulse*. Kinda like a *voice*.    So what you've got to do  is to get rid of anything in your house that might  have ears to hear it. "Oct 12 19:37
MinceR012116 < msb_> Yeah, and Putin is going to blow the tits off the Earth.Oct 12 19:41
MinceRand unless the usian missile defense works out, he'll nuke you tooOct 12 19:41
msb_Oops, I triggered PARRY.Oct 12 19:44
MinceRoops, i triggered the kremlin's troll armyOct 12 19:44
msb_Too bad for you that Putin is doing such a great job saving Syria from ISIL and Al-Nusrah.  The syrians are very grateful.Oct 12 19:46
msb_ISIL and Al-Nusrah (Al-Qaeda) are armed by the US, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia.Oct 12 19:49
msb_Head choppers and clit cutters.Oct 12 19:49
MinceRi'm sure it will ease your pains when dying of radiation sickness and/or starving to death in nuclear winter triggered by putinOct 12 19:49
msb_All so that Israel can dominate the Middle East.Oct 12 19:49
MinceRputin is a religious fundamentalist all the sameOct 12 19:49
cubexyzit's unlikely anyone will get nukedOct 12 20:07
cubexyzMAD still holds, and people aren't that crazyOct 12 20:07
cubexyzThe US could have used nukes in Vietnam for exampleOct 12 20:10
cubexyzChina has a NFU (No first Use) policyOct 12 20:12
cubexyzRussia's policy is it reserves the right to use nuclear weapons "in response to a large-scale conventional agression"Oct 12 20:14
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_useOct 12 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | No first use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzvwz ]Oct 12 20:14
MinceRMAD won't deter people who believe only the afterlife matters, or people as desperate as putinOct 12 20:15
MinceRsee, even that policy is more trigger-happy than the policies of other countriesOct 12 20:17
MinceRor the policies of the first cold warOct 12 20:17
msb_MinceR is a depressed paranoid schizophrenic who refuses to get any help.Oct 12 20:18
MinceRmsb_ is a fascist who refuses to stop pushing putin's propaganda.Oct 12 20:19
msb_MinceR says that almost all people are worthless, and want to be enslaved and killed.Oct 12 20:20
MinceRmsb_ wants us all to be enslaved and/or killed by putinOct 12 20:20
MinceRmsb_ supports the destruction of human rights and freedoms while claiming he doesn't support that.Oct 12 20:21
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msb_MinceR is unable to provide quotes from me supporting _any_ of the lies he tells about me.  He comes up with lame excuses for not posting such quotes.Oct 12 20:23
cubexyzRuiu is saying that once he removed the internal speaker and microphone that the bad packets stopped transmitting, curious stuffOct 12 20:23
MinceRmsb_ likes to pretend that evidence that was presented (often more than once) doesn't existOct 12 20:24
msb_But that was after the machines had been infected from USB sticks.Oct 12 20:24
MinceRmsb_ also can't tell the difference between data and noiseOct 12 20:24
cubexyzhe's saying infected machines are talking to each other via ultrasoundOct 12 20:26
cubexyzand he's saying it infected his BSD machine, not just his windows boxesOct 12 20:28
msb_But only to repair changes he made to the viral code.Oct 12 20:29
cubexyzhttps://www.facebook.com/dragosr/posts/10151655183445588Oct 12 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.facebook.com | Dragos Ruiu - More on my ongoing chase of #badBIOS... | Facebook [ http://ur1.ca/nzw51 ]Oct 12 20:30
msb_Any OS that launches an executable it finds on a usb stick would be vulnerable.Oct 12 20:30
cubexyzyeah if it's DASH related... then no knowsOct 12 20:30
cubexyzbut he says the machine was air gapped, so it's very oddOct 12 20:31
msb_It infected Macs -- no DASH.Oct 12 20:31
cubexyzyou're certain Macs don't have DASH?Oct 12 20:31
cubexyzthese problems seem very modern to meOct 12 20:33
cubexyzmystery fonts on windows 8, well if he keeps using windows 8 then no wonderOct 12 20:34
msb_windows anything.  ttf fonts are executable!!!Oct 12 20:35
cubexyzttf files get previewed by windows, yes :)Oct 12 20:35
cubexyzDragos should have one or two older computersOct 12 20:36
cubexyzand yes, stop using windowsOct 12 20:36
MinceRwinblows puts executable stubs with PE headers on everythingOct 12 20:37
MinceRit's like they _want_ everything to be able to carry malwareOct 12 20:37
cubexyzbut if someone is reprogramming the USB controller, you are screwed right thereOct 12 20:37
msb_I thought DASH was only in AMD CPUs, but it's part of this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Management_Task_ForceOct 12 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Distributed Management Task Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzw8l ]Oct 12 20:38
cubexyzno, Intel Vpro has a subset of DASHOct 12 20:38
MinceRi think that's vPro :>Oct 12 20:38
cubexyzthink about that for a second... reprogramming the USB ControllerOct 12 20:39
cubexyzUSB keyboard? keyloggers?Oct 12 20:39
cubexyzIntel vPro, rightOct 12 20:40
cubexyzI know I don't want itOct 12 20:40
msb_I guess badbios wasn't designed to spread via the Net or it would be everywhere.Oct 12 20:41
cubexyzhow did he get it in the first place?Oct 12 20:44
cubexyzunless it's all a hoaxOct 12 20:44
cubexyz"ascousitc mesm networking at 20 bits per second"Oct 12 20:45
cubexyzacousticOct 12 20:45
cubexyzacoustic mesh networkingOct 12 20:46
msb_usb stick or cd-romOct 12 20:46
msb_maybe somebody dropped a usb stick in his bag at a security conventionOct 12 20:48
cubexyzpossibleOct 12 20:48
cubexyzI learned today that ARP tries to talk to 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.254Oct 12 20:51
cubexyzI just started watching the ARP stuff yesterdayOct 12 20:51
msb_That's your cable or dsl node identifying all the leaf nodes, including yours.Oct 12 20:54
msb_My router filters that out.  It was annoying.Oct 12 20:55
msb_ARP means Alien Repersonalization Pulse.  MinceR was hit by one, and look at him now.Oct 12 21:05
MinceRno, i'm being hit by personal attacksOct 12 21:06
MinceRsomething msb_ used to complain aboutOct 12 21:06
msb_cubexyz: I think when your system sees an ARP packet with its ip-address, it responds with a packet containing its MAC address.  So the upstream node knows which customer is on which ip-address.Oct 12 21:08
msb_But that's just from memory.Oct 12 21:08
cubexyzmsb_, how do you know the ARP requests are coming from the ISP and not the router?Oct 12 21:15
msb_Interesting stuff here:  https://www.reddit.com/r/badBIOS/Oct 12 21:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | BadBIOS, firmware rootkits, side channel attacks, power line hackingOct 12 21:17
cubexyz"libreboot project recommends avoiding all modern Intel hardware"Oct 12 21:18
msb_I was seeing the ARP packets on my computer with xnetload and ethereal _before_ I installed the router.  Oct 12 21:18
msb_Suits me!Oct 12 21:19
msb_The router blocked them.Oct 12 21:19
msb_Now I see only incoming and outgoing packets from my software on my graphic net indicators.  Oct 12 21:20
msb_Before it was full of ARP hair that obscured them.Oct 12 21:21
cubexyzyour router has an option to block ARP messages?Oct 12 21:29
cubexyzI don't think my router can do thatOct 12 21:29
cubexyzwow, the Reddit folks are saying there's a hidden gizmo in the cmos batteryOct 12 21:34
cubexyzthese guys are even more paranoid that usOct 12 21:34
cubexyzs/that/than/Oct 12 21:34
cubexyzsome of the things they are talking about I don't understandOct 12 21:37
cubexyzI don't remember any microphone on 1997 motherboards (or newer)Oct 12 21:38
cubexyz"all laptops are sold with webcams and microphones"Oct 12 21:40
msb_Look thru the advanced settings in your router menu.Oct 12 21:59
cubexyzthere's nothing about ARPOct 12 22:02
msb_I wish I could block AARP from my snail-mail!Oct 12 22:03
msb_I'll look in my router.Oct 12 22:04
cubexyzI'm not that worried about my ISPOct 12 22:06
cubexyzit's community basedOct 12 22:06
cubexyzan ARP attack would be differentOct 12 22:06
cubexyzguess my router is too oldOct 12 22:07
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msb_I canOct 12 23:07
msb_I can't find the setting in my router or firewall to block ARP.  Maybe it does it automatically.Oct 12 23:07
msb_I set this system up years ago -- don't remember.Oct 12 23:08
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cubexyzmore freaky stuff:Oct 12 23:32
cubexyzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/05/airgap_chatting_malware/Oct 12 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Hear that? It's the sound of BadBIOS wannabe chatting over air gaps • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nzyfl ]Oct 12 23:32
cubexyzlooks like the mothership has phone ARP 3 times so farOct 12 23:41
cubexyzs/phone/phoned/Oct 12 23:41
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cubexyzumm, techrights seems unacessible atmOct 13 00:19
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cubexyzcheck it out.. I can run bios images in dosbox using biosview.exeOct 13 01:23
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/biosview-dosbox.pngOct 13 01:23
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/653830217761427456Oct 13 05:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: long overdue #opensource https://t.co/UDCh8mI9SZOct 13 05:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Taunton and Somerset trust explores wider open source adoption http://t.co/3wWKe7rYDG #NHS #freesw #uk @glynmoodyOct 13 05:50
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653864899362353152Oct 13 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @glynmoody It would be great if you could write about EPO issues, especially pro-large-corp bias, in some high-profile media. @schestowitzOct 13 05:56
schestowitzI agree and I told him that earlier this year. German and Dutch media not accessible to English-speaking crowds.Oct 13 05:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/653865114655961088Oct 13 05:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz funny you should mention that...on itOct 13 05:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653865338287882240Oct 13 05:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @glynmoody @schestowitz That's great news! BTW, I just did a post linking to Roy's post on major applicants and published a new legal letterOct 13 05:57
schestowitzMore on the way...Oct 13 05:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bosson/status/653871390060363776Oct 13 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bosson: @schestowitz How much of this corruption will bleed into the Unified Patent Court once UPC-epo patents are legal w.o. national checks.Oct 13 05:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/653868845057331200Oct 13 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz thanks, I'll take a look...Oct 13 06:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/653863273591361536Oct 13 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: European Patent Office intentionally treats patent applicants and staff unfairly: leaked documents http://t.co/LPus50A0Mr #epo @schestowitzOct 13 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: European Patent Office intentionally treats patent applicants and staff unfairly: leaked documentsOct 13 06:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/653876445060722688   https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/653876752234774528Oct 13 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yeah, that's why no one now in South America is an "indigenist", as opposed to native-ruled USA. Oh wait...Oct 13 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Tell me a single US president with a drop of Native blood. I can tell you several Mexican ones 100% Zapoteca or Mayo.Oct 13 06:36
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/653884191424311298Oct 13 07:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Reminds me so much of Thatcher...Oct 13 07:11
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686760Oct 13 07:22
schestowitz"Cisco is mostly good at backdoors."Oct 13 07:22
schestowitzAnd interceptsOct 13 07:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linksys WRT router gains faster SoC, more RAM, OpenWrt http://linuxgizmos.com/linksys-wrt-gains-faster-soc-more-ram-and-openwrt/ "open source OpenWrt support out of the box." #linuxOct 13 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxgizmos.com | Linksys WRT router gains faster SoC, more RAM, OpenWrt ·  LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/o030t ]Oct 13 07:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686759Oct 13 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Lastpass sold to LogMeIn -- should Linux users panic? http://betanews.com/2015/10/09/lastpass-sold-to-logmein-should-linux-users-panic/ No. EVERYONE should panic and quit #lastpassOct 13 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betanews.com | Lastpass sold to LogMeIn -- should Linux users panic? [ http://ur1.ca/o030x ]Oct 13 07:23
schestowitz"I’m using KDE Wallet and letting Iceweasel remember. I’ve done this with Chromium Browser too. KDE is the only one I really trust and it makes it easy to search and see the information so you can use it in other places."Oct 13 07:23
schestowitzKwallet in KF5 still too messy for me :/ waiting for bugfixes...Oct 13 07:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697197Oct 13 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #KWrite on a platform where people hardly care about #freesw and probably will use whatever necro-Jobs gives them http://kate-editor.org/2015/10/12/kwrite-on-mac/Oct 13 07:24
schestowitz"I’m sure it’s relatively easy to get KDE working on Mac, as it is a *nix."Oct 13 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> kate-editor.org | KWrite on Mac | Kate | Get an Edge in Editing [ http://ur1.ca/o031q ]Oct 13 07:24
schestowitzThere was work on it back in the days (almost a decade ago), but haven't heard of it for years (same for KDE on Windows), hence I imagine for KDE on a "Mac" you need to dual boot or wipe OSuXOct 13 07:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6680937Oct 13 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NASA Gives Back What It Took Away in the Form of Patent Monopolies for Private Gain http://techrights.org/2015/10/08/nasa-publicity-stunt/ #nasa #patentsOct 13 07:26
schestowitz"The model was government owned, contractor run. I think NASA’s budget went to zero, so what’s left is all private owned. I’m not close enough to know if there’s been a great theft of NASA public facilities, but it did happen to software and seems to be a general, Republican theme to “privatize” everything."Oct 13 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | NASA Gives Back What It Took Away in the Form of Patent Monopolies for Private Gain | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nzb2q ]Oct 13 07:27
schestowitzNot only GOP privatise things. Sadly, on corporatism, there is a difference  between radical 'free' market (GOP) and less radical 'free' market (D)Oct 13 07:27
schestowitz"Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) what is your opinion of Sarah Sharp quitting as Linux Kernel development due to the hostile environment of the top-level Kernel Maintainers?"Oct 13 07:34
schestowitzI wrote two responses to it http://techrights.org/2015/10/11/microsoft-sexism-lawsuits/ http://techrights.org/2015/10/07/forking-with-hypocrisy/Oct 13 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Don’t Look at Linux For Sexism, Look at Microsoft (Although Microsoft Hides the Newest Lawsuits) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o0355 ]Oct 13 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o035a ]Oct 13 07:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6686740Oct 13 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FSF: The party is over... but the fight for freedom is ready for another thirty years http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/the-party-is-over-but-the-fight-for-freedom-is-ready-for-another-thirty-years #fsfOct 13 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org | The party is over... but the fight for freedom is ready for another thirty years — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/nyya8 ]Oct 13 07:37
schestowitz"Hmm, I thought the FSF announced it and I shared some of that."Oct 13 07:37
schestowitzHardly noticed in blogs, let alone in the media...Oct 13 07:37
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697076Oct 13 07:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #france doesn't like #freespeech (forget #paris charade). France one of the worst in Europe. Blocks even sites about eating disorders.Oct 13 07:43
schestowitz"Unfortunatelly … I’m in shame for my country."Oct 13 07:44
schestowitz"Sadly…"Oct 13 07:44
schestowitzUK also pretty bad... filtered one of my sites... about FOSS!Oct 13 07:44
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/653980142369402880Oct 13 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Et les français? @axellelemaireOct 13 13:09
schestowitz[05:19] <cubexyz> umm, techrights seems unacessible atmOct 13 13:09
schestowitztoo much traffic today, due to epo articlesOct 13 13:10
schestowitzcited in the mediaOct 13 13:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/653980988079501313Oct 13 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Unfortunate that @johnalty1 will not be meeting staff.Oct 13 13:11
schestowitzjust needs to know what's going on at #epo http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPOOct 13 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - TechrightsOct 13 13:11
schestowitz[01:18] <msb_> MinceR is a depressed paranoid schizophrenic who refuses to get any help.Oct 13 13:13
schestowitzNo personal insults hereOct 13 13:14
schestowitzIt's counterproductive to the goalsOct 13 13:14
MinceRnone at all, no sir!Oct 13 13:14
schestowitzand pettyOct 13 13:14
schestowitz[01:14] <cubexyz> Russia's policy is it reserves the right to use nuclear weapons "in response to a large-scale conventional agression"Oct 13 13:14
schestowitz[01:14] <cubexyz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_useOct 13 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | No first use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nzvwz ]Oct 13 13:14
schestowitzThat's what the US did in JapanOct 13 13:15
schestowitzEven though it was already winning the warOct 13 13:15
schestowitz[19:13] <msb_> If you see an article on fossforce promoting DRM, add a comment to the article explaining why it's so bad.  Include a link to techrights.Oct 13 13:18
schestowitzPeople did this alreadyOct 13 13:18
schestowitz(at the time)Oct 13 13:18
schestowitzMaybe they even had her change her mind, who knows....?Oct 13 13:19
schestowitzbblOct 13 13:19
schestowitzI need to catch up with linux news pretty badly...Oct 13 13:19
schestowitzspent all day on patent articles..Oct 13 13:19
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/653982648449167360Oct 13 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: A quick line ABOUT that, please ! https://t.co/GRjF0OfoXQOct 13 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Before #uefi attacks on computing freedom http://t.co/dHnIe9xtxm http://t.co/qBkwRQKxS3 #intel #backdoorOct 13 13:21
msb_schestowitz: Perhaps you could tell MinceR to avoid personal insults like these three:  "<MinceR> msb_ is a fascist who refuses to stop pushing putin's propaganda."   "<MinceR> msb_ wants us all to be enslaved and/or killed by putin"  "  <MinceR> msb_ supports the destruction of human rights and freedoms while claiming he doesn't support that."          Oct 13 13:27
MinceRi wonder which of those lines came firstOct 13 13:27
MinceRagain, msb_ doesn't let the facts stand in the way of his argumentationOct 13 13:27
MinceR(wouldn't call it reasoning, as there's no reason involved)Oct 13 13:28
schestowitzmsb_: you both agree on systemdOct 13 13:37
schestowitzand I do tooOct 13 13:37
schestowitzso let's try to stay focused on techOct 13 13:37
schestowitzfor other topic -- other IRC channelsOct 13 13:37
schestowitzit's tech-rightsOct 13 13:38
schestowitznot russia-rightsOct 13 13:38
msb_schestowitz: Is that directed to MinceR as well as to me, or only to me?Oct 13 13:38
schestowitzhe's not the one bringing it upOct 13 13:40
schestowitzit's youOct 13 13:40
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msb_schestowitz: MinceR introduced Putin into a brief discussion about religion:  "[10/11/15 14:19] <MinceR> yes, let's confuse agriculture with religion"  "<MinceR> confusion works in putin's favor, after all"Oct 13 13:46
MinceRreligion is also not relevant to technologyOct 13 13:46
MinceRand neither is agricultureOct 13 13:46
MinceRyou brought both of them upOct 13 13:46
msb_I brought them up after mention of the TPP, in a far-reaching statement about the control of humanity by psychopaths.Oct 13 13:48
MinceRand yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctnessOct 13 13:50
msb_MinceR: You have spewed out yet another lying personal attack.  "<MinceR> and yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness"  Please quote a statement from me to justify your lie.Oct 13 13:53
MinceR164837 < msb_> The men say that freedom of speech entitles game creators to make games that victimize women, and entitles game players to play and enjoy them.Oct 13 13:54
MinceR165029 < msb_> The problem is, that humans are programmable by speech and video, and they can be programmed into psychopath behaviors like rape, torture, and murder.  Oct 13 13:54
MinceR               Some speech has consequences -- yelling "fire" in a crowded theater  -- so freedom of speech requires some limitations.Oct 13 13:54
MinceRi know you will ignore this, and i will not quote it again.Oct 13 13:54
msb_I went on to say that game creators and game reviewers should self-limit their creation and approval of games that victimize women.  I did not in any way "come out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness", as you lied that I did.Oct 13 13:57
MinceRthe context was the UN plotting global censorship on behalf of the SJWsOct 13 13:58
msb_Which is totally different from people _self-limiting speech_ that encourages attacks on women.Oct 13 13:59
MinceRright, chilling effects, self-censorship and "socially acceptable" bullying are A-OKOct 13 14:01
msb_There is also the principle that the remedy for evil speech is more speech condemning it.  In this case, feminists should publicly shame those who create and approve of games that encourage the victimization of women.Oct 13 14:02
MinceRthat's better, yesOct 13 14:02
MinceRbut that's not where the UN and the SJWs are goingOct 13 14:02
msb_Only governments can create "chilling effects".   And public disaproval and shaming of those who encourage rape, torture and murder of women is _not_ "bullying".Oct 13 14:03
msb_While encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women _is_ bullying.Oct 13 14:04
MinceRpublic disapproval and shaming of those who use neutral words you think are evil is bullyingOct 13 14:05
MinceRfor example: http://www.ghacks.net/2015/10/11/bro-file-extension-offensive-changed-to-br-instead/Oct 13 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Bro file extension offensive, changed to Br instead - gHacks Tech News [ http://ur1.ca/o07j6 ]Oct 13 14:05
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MinceRseeing encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women into everything also makes a fine starting point for bullyingOct 13 14:06
MinceRbullying those who play video games because they play video games is also not acceptableOct 13 14:06
MinceRSJWs do the exact things they're allegedly againstOct 13 14:06
MinceRoh, and campaigning to place women into a superior social position to men is not feminism, it's chauvinismOct 13 14:07
MinceRand it's no better than when it's done the other way aroundOct 13 14:07
MinceRand now, msb_ rages...Oct 13 14:07
msb_MinceR: Let's see how many lies you've just told:  1. "public disapproval and shaming of those who use neutral words you think are evil is bullying"  The words I used were "rape, torture, and murder of women".  MinceR: Do you think of these as "neutral words"?Oct 13 14:09
MinceRhow do you survive in the usa without speaking the language?Oct 13 14:09
msb_Lie #2: "seeing encouragement of rape, torture and murder of women into everything also makes a fine starting point for bullying".  Neither I nor SJWs do this.Oct 13 14:10
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msb_Lie #3:  "bullying those who play video games because they play video games is also not acceptable"  Nobody does this.  Many disapprove of playing video games that encourage the  rape, torture, and murder of women.  That is a _subset_ of video games, not all of them.  Oct 13 14:12
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MinceRah, so we should ask msb_ which video games we're allowed to playOct 13 14:13
msb_Lie #4: "campaigning to place women into a superior social position to men"  Nobody does that.  Feminists/SJW say that men should not attack women.Oct 13 14:13
MinceRthat's totally not fascistOct 13 14:13
MinceRapparently they also say that women should attack menOct 13 14:14
msb_Lie #5 "ah, so we should ask msb_ which video games we're allowed to play"  I never said that people should not be allowed to play video games that victimize women.  I said they should be criticized and shamed if they do.Oct 13 14:16
MinceRthey should be bullied, fired from their jobs and jailed, but not disallowed. got it.Oct 13 14:16
msb_Lie #6 "they should be bullied, fired from their jobs and jailed, but not disallowed. got it."  If a person tells others that he enjoys simulated rape, torture and murder of women, then people should try to discourage him (non-violently), as that may save women's lives.  If an employee publicly admits such enjoyment, his employer may reasonably fire him to protect the women in the workplace.  Only government can jail people.  Oct 13 14:25
msb_Discouragement and firing are not "disallowing" the sadist from playing the games, but are making him face the reasonable consequences of publicly advocating rape, torture and murder.Oct 13 14:25
msb_MinceR: I have just publicly exposed and shamed you for telling six lies.  Why don't you stop attacking me?Oct 13 14:28
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MinceRyou have just told a series of lies and misconceptions based on your lack of understanding of the language and the brainwashing you've receivedOct 13 14:30
MinceRmsb_: why don't you stop crapflooding this channel?Oct 13 14:30
MinceRmsb_: why don't you stop diverting this channel off topic?Oct 13 14:30
MinceRi know Roy wants to keep you around, i just can't find out whyOct 13 14:30
msb_MinceR: It was _you_ who crapflooded and diverted this channel with this statement out of the blue:  "10:51] <MinceR> and yet you came out in support of global internet censorship in the service of political correctness".Oct 13 14:32
msb_When I refuted that lie, you spewed out more lies.Oct 13 14:35
MinceRapparently msb_ doesn't know what "flood" means eitherOct 13 14:35
MinceRyou did not refute any liesOct 13 14:35
MinceRyou spewed all the liesOct 13 14:35
msb_MinceR: Why don't  you restrict your attacks on me to a personal message channel?  I will ignore them, and no one else will have to see them.Oct 13 14:38
MinceRmsb_: why don't you?Oct 13 14:39
MinceRmsb_: why don't you take your putinist madness to another channel?Oct 13 14:40
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msb_MinceR: Do you consider opposition to violence against women to be "putinist madness" ?Oct 13 14:43
MinceRnoOct 13 14:44
MinceRbut putinist madness was the main theme of your crapflooding this channel until the UN plot for global censorship was mentionedOct 13 14:44
MinceRnow you seem to be primarily crapflooding with SJW propagandaOct 13 14:45
msb_MinceR: When you lie about me, I refute it.  Then you lie about me again and I refute that one also.  Then you lie again...  This creates a flood.Oct 13 14:46
MinceRno, that's not what creates a floodOct 13 14:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TheOrderRebel/status/654005412618981378Oct 13 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheOrderRebel: @schestowitz @All4Privacy Kind of makes me want to get rid of my facebook...like, right now.Oct 13 14:49
MinceRgetting rid of dumbFuckBook is always a good ideOct 13 14:50
MinceRaOct 13 14:50
schestowitzyeahOct 13 14:50
schestowitzdo you use wiki search?Oct 13 14:50
schestowitzOne of your links recently indicated thisOct 13 14:51
schestowitzwikia?Oct 13 14:51
schestowitzI still use ixquick, for now...Oct 13 14:51
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MinceRhttp://ur1.ca/o08g5Oct 13 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@aral: Erdoğan: “If I was a dictator, they couldn’t insult me.” ‘Since 2015, 213 arrests for insulting the president.’ https://t.co/MwV559FJ2MOct 13 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)Oct 13 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@biliyormusuncom: Erdoğan: "Ben diktatör olsam bana hakaret edemezlerdi." 2015 itibariyle CB'ye hakaretten tutuklananların sayısı 213. Biliyor musun?Oct 13 15:08
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schestowitz"Yeah. I was surprised to learn that one of Nouveau’s main developers works for Intel."Oct 13 15:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6699751Oct 13 15:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?Oct 13 15:41
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654024931055828992  https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654024977214144512Oct 13 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz fuck sakes, man. The first step to correcting a problem, is admitting it is a problem. Just because it exists, doesn't meanOct 13 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz that it is okay.Oct 13 16:05
schestowitzthe problem is bigger than Linux. Sharp would be wise to take on her employer ($), Intel, for its notorious support of sexism. Linux an easy target.Oct 13 16:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654025847037292544Oct 13 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz totally agreed. But what I mean to say is that just because it happens elsewhere, doesn't make it OK to ignore it in any caseOct 13 16:09
schestowitzAll the debate is in Linux site, detracting and hurting the Linux brand. She didnt' quit an employer.Oct 13 16:09
schestowitz*sitesOct 13 16:09
schestowitzAll the debate is in Linux sites, detracting and hurting the Linux brand. She didn't quit an employer.Oct 13 16:10
MinceRjust as m$, crApple and the SJW troll army wantedOct 13 16:10
schestowitzCherry-picking (hypocritically) sexism and LGBT rights a common trick in foreign policy (maligning others). See the recent visit of Obama to Africa.Oct 13 16:11
MinceRgnu/linux enables people to communicate at a much higher standard of security, therefore it must be destroyedOct 13 16:11
MinceRand so we have systemd, garrettux and debian 8Oct 13 16:11
schestowitzIt's not uncommon for the US/UK to berate invaded/looted countries over women's rightsOct 13 16:12
MinceRand various attacks on other free software projects tooOct 13 16:12
schestowitzyeah...Oct 13 16:12
schestowitzsocially-engineering FOSSOct 13 16:12
schestowitz(corporations)Oct 13 16:12
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654026721876836356Oct 13 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz yep, ikr. But now Linux is in spotlight, can't just ignore the problems/carry on as normal, need to deal with them.Oct 13 16:13
MinceR(like demanding XY to be blocked from a free software project for comments made on social media that offended some people, without any offers to take over their work or contribute in any way)Oct 13 16:13
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schestowitzwho's huggi?Oct 13 16:16
schestowitzI am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillanceOct 13 16:16
cubexyzif you think the Linux environment is toxic, just imagine what the Microsoft environment is likeOct 13 16:17
schestowitzI wrote about itOct 13 16:18
schestowitz http://techrights.org/2015/10/11/microsoft-sexism-lawsuits/Oct 13 16:18
schestowitztwo days agoOct 13 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Don’t Look at Linux For Sexism, Look at Microsoft (Although Microsoft Hides the Newest Lawsuits) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o0355 ]Oct 13 16:18
MinceRi can imagine it, but it's mostly kept secretOct 13 16:19
MinceRso gullible people believe everything is just peachy thereOct 13 16:19
cubexyzthat Xbox incident comes to mindOct 13 16:19
cubexyzimmature trash talkOct 13 16:21
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cubexyzpeople leave Micrsoft all the timeOct 13 16:25
cubexyzs/Micrsoft/Microsoft/Oct 13 16:25
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cubexyzMark Lukovsky comes to mind :)Oct 13 16:27
cubexyzBallmer was going to "bury Eric Schmidt"Oct 13 16:29
cubexyzcan't get much more toxic than BallmerOct 13 16:30
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654035280370925568Oct 13 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Go to NZ Armageddon and get Microsoft sponsored tattoos, free! Hey @schestowitz this is right up your alley. https://t.co/pBnmSGV3egOct 13 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PhidMcAwesome: .@retroDoomer they look pretty cool.... http://t.co/HmRpuINXzPOct 13 16:49
schestowitzNext comes the virusOct 13 16:49
schestowitzAnother one http://techrights.org/2015/10/13/the-rpo-tumour/Oct 13 16:50
schestowitzAnd another one on its way... working on it..... till I'm too tired.Oct 13 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Lobbies for the Unitary Patent (UPC) and Uses This to Advance Software Patents in Europe | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o09tq ]Oct 13 16:51
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msb_schestowitz: "I am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillance"  Isn't this channel publicly accessible?  How can there be a mole?Oct 13 18:27
msb_If I may counter the doom-and-gloom, Devuan Linux is already being used in alpha state, including by a person here.  Once it's declared fully ready, concerns about "systemd, garrettux and debian 8" will go away.  And for people who want to buy a new desktop, I've found an excellent cheap fast AMD 8-core CPU FX-8350 and a superb mobo in which UEFI/secure-boot can easily be turned off.  I should soon receive info from AMD that will Oct 13 18:46
msb_prevent intrusions using the DASH system with a $50 SBC custom open-source router (if the FX-8350 even _has_ the DASH system).  So with the help of cubexyz and others, we'll have a secure Linux and a secure platform to run it on.  Life is good!Oct 13 18:46
MinceRthey won't go awayOct 13 18:47
MinceRit will be an ongoing battleOct 13 18:47
MinceRespecially once Linus loses control of Linux somehowOct 13 18:48
msb_If he does, the current state of the kernel can simply be saved and used into the future.  As to systemd, etc, there are always lousy alternatives, like windows.  But all that's needed is one _good_ alternative, like Devuan, and smart people can make the good choice, and others will follow.Oct 13 18:50
MinceRconsider how microsoft kept (and still keeps) trying to keep their competition off the marketOct 13 18:50
MinceRredcrap is already employing similar tacticsOct 13 18:50
msb_One can always find a dire negative possibility in anything and everything.  If one focusses on that, one will be miserable and frightened.  But if one focusses on the positive possibilities, and how to make them work, then life is a beautiful happy adventure.  It's up to you!Oct 13 18:53
MinceR“It’s not safe to hope for the best without preparing for the worst.”Oct 13 18:53
MinceRwe can't win the fight against lendows if we deny that the fight is happeningOct 13 18:54
msb_Of course you don't deny it.  You present the good alternative and explain the differences.  And expose the evil tactics of RedHat, etc.Oct 13 18:55
MinceRyou also need to deal with lock-in injected into applications you useOct 13 18:57
msb_You have to prepare for the best, not just hope for it.Oct 13 18:57
MinceRand of course there are and will be attacks on the free software we useOct 13 18:57
MinceRin part to try and prop up lendowsOct 13 18:57
msb_If you mean apps dependent on systemd, presumably Devuan is patching or shimming those.Oct 13 18:58
MinceRhopefullyOct 13 18:58
MinceRfuntoo's doing that tooOct 13 18:58
MinceRbut the opposition will increaseOct 13 18:58
MinceRlook at the dirty tricks m$ has done over the years. expect redcrap to bring out all of those and some new ones too.Oct 13 18:59
msb_Basically Free Software _can't_ be successfully attacked!  Because it's free and infinitely accessible all over the Earth.  It _can't_ be suppressed!Oct 13 18:59
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MinceRdebian has already been taken away from usOct 13 19:00
msb_Devuan takes all that's good in Debian and fixes the rest.Oct 13 19:01
cubexyzmy advice is to get a non-DASH motherboardOct 13 19:02
cubexyzfor startersOct 13 19:02
msb_As to "the dirty tricks m$ has done over the years", what has it gotten them?  With windows 10 their company is going down the drain, severely criticized everywhere.  While Linux is thriving, and as soon as Devuan is ready, Linux will be purified.Oct 13 19:03
MinceRit has gotten them Restricted BootOct 13 19:04
MinceRand the anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws aren't enforcedOct 13 19:04
MinceRwe're being locked out of our own computersOct 13 19:04
MinceRthat's what it has gotten themOct 13 19:04
msb_cubexyz: We don't know at this point whether DASH can be enabled without BIOS support.  Oct 13 19:04
msb_MinceR: But the _actual fact_ is that Linux isn't locked out of _any_ computers.Oct 13 19:05
cubexyzmsb_, I wouldn't say thatOct 13 19:05
cubexyzLinux is locked out on Windows ARM computersOct 13 19:06
cubexyzsome folks are having problems disabling secure bootOct 13 19:06
msb_Yes, we talked about that and you said their bios was not up to date.Oct 13 19:07
cubexyzthat's part of itOct 13 19:07
cubexyzdo you think Linux is going to be easily loadable on that new Microsoft Laptop?Oct 13 19:07
cubexyzit's dubious at bestOct 13 19:07
msb_brb  You guys can piss and moan among yourselves.Oct 13 19:07
msb_So never buy anything from microshit.  Doctor, it hurts when I go like this.  So don't go like that!Oct 13 19:08
cubexyzyou still need to be aware of the situationOct 13 19:09
cubexyzpeople need to know what to avoidOct 13 19:09
msb_Yep, and its up to us to tell them.  We are the heroes we've been waiting for!Oct 13 19:09
cubexyzwe don't really know what the exactly situation is for surface booksOct 13 19:10
cubexyzeventually hackers will find a way thoughOct 13 19:10
cubexyzhow difficult it will be, that's the questionOct 13 19:10
msb_So, there's one kind of new computer that people should avoid.  Big Deal.Oct 13 19:11
cubexyzif someone asks me if they can run Linux on surface book, I don't have an answerOct 13 19:11
msb_Yes you do.  Tell them to buy something else instead.Oct 13 19:12
MinceRafaik winblows x86 tablets tend to have a broken 32bit uefi implementation that tends to make it an even greater pain in the ass to run linux on themOct 13 19:12
cubexyzI say buy MSI, Gigabyte or ChromebooksOct 13 19:13
cubexyzmaybe Tyan, still researching thatOct 13 19:13
msb_ASUS is good too.Oct 13 19:13
MinceRalso, the reason m$ didn't completely kill gnu/linux is that we the people opposed themOct 13 19:14
cubexyzI managed to get some good search done on Award BIOS last night, made some good progressOct 13 19:15
MinceRfor the same reason, we'll need to oppose redcrap as wellOct 13 19:15
cubexyzs/search/research/Oct 13 19:15
msb_Make sure that when you make a recommendation, you clearly and fully tell them how fast it runs.  Many people want a fast computer, and if you send those toward a slow one they will be very pissed and will hate Linux.Oct 13 19:16
cubexyzfor distros I'm going Q4OS, OpenBSD, AntiX, etcOct 13 19:16
cubexyzyou can get an i7 chromebook if you wantOct 13 19:17
msb_We need a non-systemd distro that has a large staff so it can keep up with the latest apps, which people want.Oct 13 19:17
cubexyzpersonally I think it's too expensive, but some folks got money so...Oct 13 19:17
msb_Many folks have limited money.Oct 13 19:17
msb_brbOct 13 19:17
cubexyzchromebooks have a sub-$300 optionOct 13 19:18
cubexyzit's affordableOct 13 19:18
cubexyzthere's no DASHOct 13 19:18
cubexyzcoreboot firmwareOct 13 19:18
cubexyzI have customers I never thought in a million years would use Linux, but they seem to like chromebooksOct 13 19:19
cubexyzthat's a huge shift in thinkingOct 13 19:19
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MinceRwe seem to have lost a lot of staff to cancerdOct 13 19:21
cubexyzthere's three different tiers:Oct 13 19:23
cubexyzhardwareOct 13 19:23
cubexyzBIOSOct 13 19:23
cubexyzOperating SystemOct 13 19:24
cubexyzyou really need to know all three to get the most of out of one's computerOct 13 19:24
cubexyzI'm still learning stuff about my Tyan motherboard from 1998Oct 13 19:25
cubexyzI thought msb_ would like Q4OS since it comes with trinity reposOct 13 19:28
cubexyzseems a decent choiceOct 13 19:28
cubexyzbut not for very old hardware (14 years or more)Oct 13 19:28
cubexyzassuming you have a P4 or faster, it's OKOct 13 19:29
cubexyzon the BSD side, OpenBSD or PC-BSDOct 13 19:30
MinceRno netbsd?Oct 13 19:30
cubexyznot sure what the status is for netbsd to be honestOct 13 19:32
cubexyzThe advantage of NetBSD used to be that it ran on everythingOct 13 19:32
MinceRafaik its advantages also include virtualization, LKM support and no consorting with launchd and similar garbageOct 13 19:33
cubexyzit's not the leanest distro out there, but if you have 24 megs of ram or more it's OKOct 13 19:35
cubexyzOpenBSD focuses more on security, NetBSD focuses more on portabilityOct 13 19:37
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cubexyzdo I recommend people running Linux and BSD, depending on the situation? DefinitelyOct 13 19:38
cubexyzfor non-x86 NetBSD is probably the best choiceOct 13 19:41
MinceRafaik linux still runs on more architectures than netbsdOct 13 19:42
MinceRbut if redcrap has their way, this will changeOct 13 19:42
cubexyzPC-BSD is strictly x86-64Oct 13 19:42
cubexyzdidn't redhat already drop a bunch of architectures?Oct 13 19:44
MinceRdunno, debian started dropping stuff left and right ever since they decided they'll force systemd on their usersOct 13 19:45
cubexyzhard to keep away from x86 :)Oct 13 19:48
cubexyzthere's ARM based chromebooks of courseOct 13 19:49
cubexyzdid you know that chromium OS is based on Gentoo?Oct 13 19:50
cubexyzhttp://www.zdnet.com/article/the-secret-origins-of-googles-chrome-os/Oct 13 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | The secret origins of Google's Chrome OS | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/o0cpf ]Oct 13 19:52
cubexyzGoogle liked Portage it seemsOct 13 19:56
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msb_cubexyz: How big is the Q4OS staff?  Do they keep up with the latest apps?Oct 13 20:12
schestowitz[23:27] <msb_> schestowitz: "I am just a tad worried that we might have a COntrol Risks/EPO mole among us in IRC for real-time surveillance"  Isn't this channel publicly accessible?  How can there be a mole?Oct 13 20:12
schestowitzReal timeOct 13 20:12
schestowitzi know for a fact they read logsOct 13 20:12
schestowitzbased on leaked informationOct 13 20:12
schestowitzbut I don't want them to see what's planned in real timeOct 13 20:12
schestowitzas it can help them crush the staffOct 13 20:13
schestowitz(i use alternative channels for EPO-related comms)Oct 13 20:13
schestowitzIf we derail EPO, whose special partner turns out to be Microsoft (in IT and as kickbacking applicant), we can stop Microsoft amassing software patents to attack Linux in EuropeOct 13 20:14
schestowitzI think we're winning two battles hereOct 13 20:14
schestowitzone against software patentsOct 13 20:14
schestowitzand another against the criminals (MicrosofT)Oct 13 20:14
msb_How can you tell who is here?  There are two Guestxxxx.Oct 13 20:14
schestowitzmaybe they are staff lurkingOct 13 20:14
schestowitzso either way, there are unknowns hereOct 13 20:15
schestowitzthere are often moles infiltrating staff unionsOct 13 20:15
schestowitzto spy, to bust, or to act of provocatuersOct 13 20:15
schestowitz*eursOct 13 20:15
schestowitzI think i have a big target on my arse right nowOct 13 20:15
schestowitzbig protest tomorrow in munich and I'm the main source the staff is citing for info, along perhaps with IP KatOct 13 20:16
cubexyzQ4OS is based on Debian Wheezy, and they even offer preinstalled computers with Q4OS and paid supportOct 13 20:17
msb_More important -- look out for your personal safety.  Watch for cars following you, etc.  Remember, the govts/corps have murdered millions in the last 15 years alone.Oct 13 20:17
cubexyzno idea how many people are behind itOct 13 20:17
cubexyzhttp://www.q4os.org/shop/Oct 13 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.q4os.org | Q4OS StoreOct 13 20:17
msb_schestowitz: Bullet-proof vest might be a good idea.Oct 13 20:18
MinceRcombat armorOct 13 20:18
cubexyzI've largely done my own support of FC1 since 2003 so the support thing isn't a big deal to meOct 13 20:19
cubexyzcertain project maintainers still support the old stuff, at least security-wiseOct 13 20:19
cubexyzQ4OS does have fixes for problems that were in KDE 3.5.10Oct 13 20:20
schestowitzmsb_: lolOct 13 20:25
schestowitzleave that to battistelliOct 13 20:25
schestowitzhe has had personal bodyguards for a whileOct 13 20:25
schestowitzmore than oneOct 13 20:25
MinceRpower armor would be niceOct 13 20:25
schestowitzI have my alibi (rianne)Oct 13 20:30
MinceR:)Oct 13 20:30
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XFaCEMinceR: the democratic debate intro was literally a professional sports introOct 13 21:02
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MinceR:)Oct 13 21:05
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schestowitzXFaCE: do who 'won'?Oct 13 21:47
schestowitzDid that arse, Clinton, lose the crowd to Sanders?Oct 13 21:47
XFaCEschestowitz: dunno, stopped watching after ROFLOL at that introOct 13 21:49
MinceRdid they invite Lessig at all?Oct 13 21:50
XFaCEschestowitz: also the canadian election has given me an allergy to debatesOct 13 21:50
MinceR:>Oct 13 21:50
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msb_cubexyz: I'm sure Trinity DE will have a version for Devuan when it's ready.  Did not get any docs from AMD re DASH, past their deadline, will call them again tomorrow.Oct 14 00:12
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msb_Wow, the latest version of handbrake, built 2 months ago, is in the repo for my 4 year old Linux!  It didn't get installed in the menu, but I found the program and can call it from a bash script, and the docs are on the Web.  I should be able to compress 1GB 720p videos down to perfectly watchable 250MB 360p ones.  Let's see if it can convert them as fast as I can watch them...8^)Oct 14 04:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bagaar/status/654211878537658368Oct 14 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bagaar: Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (@schestowitz): Norwegian Financial Institution VPS Modernizes IT with #OpenShift... http://t.co/637aPioCkrOct 14 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businesswire.com | Norwegian Financial Institution VPS Modernizes IT with OpenShift Enterprise by Red Hat | Business WireOct 14 05:11
schestowitzWow https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654221318217449472Oct 14 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz just got an email from someone that the EPO has blocked my latest post, allegedly per presidential orderOct 14 05:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/654221369459240961Oct 14 05:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: or using "StingRay" IMSI catchers https://t.co/F746TGcFjlOct 14 05:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: To >effectively< ban #techrights access at the #epo the Battistelli Gang will need to confiscate the smartphones (3/4G) of >all< staff.Oct 14 05:14
schestowitzMaybe the #epo consultants at @Control_Risks can phone up their mates in the US and UK to send some #stingray over to Munich...Oct 14 05:15
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/slothygeek/status/654229749796106240Oct 14 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@slothygeek: Hello @schestowitz I made a list of 6 Raspberry Pi Youtube channels for beginners. Check out and comment please :) http://t.co/HUh8NmJc5FOct 14 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.slothygeek.com | 6 Youtube Channels For Beginner Raspberry Pi Users | TutorialsOct 14 05:42
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/h4ck3rm1k3/status/654255525878726656Oct 14 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@h4ck3rm1k3: @schestowitz I switched back to #debian a long time ago and am very happy.Oct 14 07:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JayVuppuluri/status/654256779598143488Oct 14 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JayVuppuluri: RT https://t.co/P3s38oOJfnOct 14 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The University of Manchester, where I studied, is now attacking #freespeech http://t.co/YsZCB2Hp8J http://t.co/1fOOqmFinO #gopOct 14 07:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/h4ck3rm1k3/status/654261136737587200Oct 14 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@h4ck3rm1k3: @schestowitz How do you post to all these networks automatically?Oct 14 07:48
schestowitzI just post to diaspora, which then sends a copy to twitter...Oct 14 07:48
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msb_I used handbrake to convert a 926MB 720p video to a 370MB 360p.  Took 30 minutes and result was great!  Heated both cores to 70C.  Maybe if I blow the dust out again,..Oct 14 08:01
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msb_great.  To make an x265 -- half the size -- it's gonna take more than 8 hours.  ThatOct 14 08:17
msb_That's why people need 8 cores.Oct 14 08:18
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msb_Back to mp4, 540x304, 25 minutes.  Should be 260MB.Oct 14 08:41
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MinceRhttps://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/654327848111501312Oct 14 12:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Has 'feminism' become a reactionary vehicle for to push state interests such as censorship and imprisonment? https://t.co/WF4UPrSUx6Oct 14 12:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HuffPostUK: 'Inviting Assange to speak is an affront to those frequently silenced' - @charchorley blogs http://t.co/fGTDlO1MCn http://t.co/g9ySGv7K5cOct 14 12:20
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msb_Nothing yet from AMD regarding DASH.  Cust svc says should rcv by tomorrow.Oct 14 14:37
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msb_Please donate to Trinity project to keep one good DE alive.  They need $ to pay for build farm, etc.  https://www.trinitydesktop.org/donate.phpOct 14 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.trinitydesktop.org/donate.php )Oct 14 14:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How SUSE Linux Makes Use Of Btrfs RollbacksOct 14 14:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Reverting to Gnome Scroll BarsOct 14 15:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu: New 15.04 stable releaseOct 14 15:39
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/aMaePaf16w (lists.ubuntu.com)Oct 14 15:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.ubuntu.com | New 15.04 stable releaseOct 14 15:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Is Planned for Release onOct 14 15:39
TweetTuxMachines                 November 18, 2015 http://t.co/pKYaXB8WZzOct 14 15:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Oct 14 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Is Planned for Release on November 18, 2015 - SoftpediaOct 14 15:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     HP launches open source network operatingOct 14 15:39
TweetTuxMachines                 system http://t.co/z5WhoCxavQOct 14 15:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.firstpost.com | HP launches open source network operating systemOct 14 15:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux LightBulb pioneers LED lightOct 14 15:44
TweetTuxMachines                 communication for IoT http://t.co/CzXzIelSTWOct 14 15:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.electronicsweekly.com | Linux LightBulb pioneers LED light communication for IoT | Electronics WeeklyOct 14 15:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Magellan’s eXplorist TRX7 Is An Android-Based,Oct 14 15:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Weatherproof GPS Unit For Off-Road AdventurersOct 14 15:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/0MXyCeFDcH (www.techtimes.com)Oct 14 15:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Magellan’s eXplorist TRX7 Is An Android-Based, Weatherproof GPS Unit For Off-Road Adventurers : PERSONAL TECH : Tech TimesOct 14 15:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review: Lenovo Yoga Tab 3 8″ Android TabletOct 14 15:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/jRY9HizoAD (geekdad.com)Oct 14 15:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-geekdad.com | Review: Lenovo Yoga Tab 3 8" Android Tablet - GeekDadOct 14 15:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD Lose Another Big Name, This Time To NvidiaOct 14 15:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/mXKtQmfhCo (www.gamingonlinux.com)Oct 14 15:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | AMD Lose Another Big Name, This Time To Nvidia | GamingOnLinuxOct 14 15:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How a love for open source led to the firstOct 14 15:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu magazine http://t.co/3mRyvazsKpOct 14 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Ronnie Tucker: My open source story | Opensource.comOct 14 15:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Might Ship with a Couple ofOct 14 15:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Annoying Trash-Related BugsOct 14 15:49
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/2bKWEBzTYZ (news.softpedia.com)Oct 14 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Might Ship with a Couple of Annoying Trash-Related Bugs - SoftpediaOct 14 15:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical's Snappy Creator Tool Snapcraft GetsOct 14 16:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Updated to Version 0.3 http://t.co/n7SLUqlrQeOct 14 16:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Oct 14 16:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical's Snappy Creator Tool Snapcraft Gets Updated to Version 0.3 - SoftpediaOct 14 16:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android dominates DxOMark as iPhone 6S ranksOct 14 16:00
TweetTuxMachines                 10th http://t.co/cvrXRzltfgOct 14 16:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidauthority.com)Oct 14 16:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Android dominates DxOMark as iPhone 6S ranks 10th - Android AuthorityOct 14 16:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How SUSE Linux Makes Use Of Btrfs RollbacksOct 14 16:00
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/KL2Y8QUqno (www.phoronix.com)Oct 14 16:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Canonical's Snappy Creator Tool Snapcraft Gets Updated to...'Oct 14 16:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "Arch Linux has much to offer savvy LinuxOct 14 16:22
TweetTuxMachines                 users, but it's not for the faint of heart orOct 14 16:22
TweetTuxMachines                 those who want a distro" http://t.co/KZ2IkN3ftPOct 14 16:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Is Arch Linux more trouble than it's worth? | ITworldOct 14 16:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially AddingOct 14 16:22
TweetTuxMachines                 PlayOnLinux http://t.co/2diQd1IjGFOct 14 16:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 14 16:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially Adding PlayOnLinux | Tux MachinesOct 14 16:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Q4OS 1.4.3, Orion http://t.co/YLYNOLRov7Oct 14 16:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (q4os.org)Oct 14 16:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-q4os.org | Q4OS - desktop operating systemOct 14 16:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Krita 2.9.8 released https://t.co/PvXbT240svOct 14 16:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (krita.org)Oct 14 16:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org | Krita 2.9.8 | KritaOct 14 16:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LightZone 4.1.3 Has Been ReleasedOct 14 16:58
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/dyla7FWhf6 (linuxg.net)Oct 14 16:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13%Oct 14 16:58
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/P7zLvnjrNK (www.geeky-gadgets.com)Oct 14 16:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FFmpeg 2.8.1 "Feynman" Arrives with MultipleOct 14 16:58
TweetTuxMachines                 Fixes http://news.softFFmpeg 2.8.1 "Feynman"Oct 14 16:58
TweetTuxMachines                 Arrives with Multiple FixesOct 14 16:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | LightZone 4.1.3 Has Been Released | LinuxG.netOct 14 16:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Krita 2.9.8 http://t.co/jqopFlQn4jOct 14 17:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 2.9.8 | Tux MachinesOct 14 17:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13%Oct 14 17:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | VoCore Mini Linux Computer, Save 13% | Tux MachinesOct 14 17:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SFLC Confronts FCC, OSI Supports GPLOct 14 17:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Enforcement Principles http://t.co/tjRDRsCjbWOct 14 17:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 14 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SFLC Confronts FCC, OSI Supports GPL Enforcement Principles | Tux MachinesOct 14 17:35
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704042Oct 14 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ubuntu 15.10 Might Ship with a Couple of Annoying Trash-Related Bugs http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-10-might-ship-with-a-couple-of-annoying-trash-related-bugs-494518.shtml #gnu #linuxOct 14 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Might Ship with a Couple of Annoying Trash-Related Bugs - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/o0uwz ]Oct 14 17:41
schestowitz"Deception on Ubuntu 15.10 until now… http://libuntu.net/2015/10/11/hasta-los-momentos-ubuntu-15-10-decepciona/ "Oct 14 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libuntu.net | Hasta los momentos, Ubuntu 15.10 decepciona | Libuntu - Linux, OpenSource, Software Libre y Mas [ http://ur1.ca/o0ux1 ]Oct 14 17:42
cubexyzthe official word from Linus on BIOS:Oct 14 18:03
cubexyz- the BIOS is written mostly in assembly - the BIOS is tested exclusively with DOS and Windows - most BIOS writers appear to simply be incompetent, or just not care.Oct 14 18:03
cubexyzso yes, Linux tries very hard to avoid BIOS callsOct 14 18:03
cubexyzbut Linux does not avoid BIOS calls all togetherOct 14 18:04
cubexyzsome are still usedOct 14 18:04
cubexyzhowever, Linux also does a few things wrong which the BIOS does correctlyOct 14 18:05
cubexyzthe real trick is knowing which one is right, it differs from case to caseOct 14 18:05
XFaCEyo schestowitz Oct 14 18:16
XFaCEfunny on the sarah sharp follow-up articlesOct 14 18:17
XFaCEthe guy who "agreed" with you, completely missed the point entirelyOct 14 18:17
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schestowitzwho?Oct 14 18:27
schestowitzgamergate not mentioned?Oct 14 18:28
XFaCEhttp://ostatic.com/blog/linux-discussion-continues-fedora-welcomes-chromiumOct 14 18:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Linux Discussion Continues, Fedora Welcomes Chromium [ http://ur1.ca/o0vl4 ]Oct 14 18:29
XFaCEschestowitz: "He agreed with Dr. Roy Schestowitz in that all this is a "PR nightmare" threatening the "flagship of the open-source movement." He placed part of the blame on what he calls the "Internet of hate""Oct 14 18:29
XFaCEhe took your comments out of context and made you look like you agreed with increasing political correctness basicallyOct 14 18:30
XFaCEeven though you said specificallyOct 14 18:30
XFaCE""This outburst against Linux has nothing to do with women’s rights or manners. There is no threat of violence (as once alleged) and there is no language directly offensive to women (no more than it can be offensive to men). Some people have too thin a skin, especially where free speech is highly valued.""Oct 14 18:30
schestowitzright...Oct 14 18:30
schestowitzbut never mind that... it's old newsOct 14 18:30
schestowitzjust got a tuxmanchines comment on this articleOct 14 18:31
schestowitze "Internet of hate""Oct 14 18:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Rust programming language for speed, safety,Oct 14 18:46
TweetTuxMachines                 and concurrency http://t.co/tYDcqXkXqEOct 14 18:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 14 18:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rust programming language for speed, safety, and concurrency | Tux MachinesOct 14 18:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor SoarOct 14 18:46
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/I2tVhXeIaK (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 14 18:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Tux MachinesOct 14 18:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With LinuxOct 14 18:47
TweetTuxMachines                 Foundation, New CentOS http://t.co/saaNaWR79bOct 14 18:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (techrights.org)Oct 14 18:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With Linux Foundation, New CentOS | TechrightsOct 14 18:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     BeagleBoard-x15 to arrive in time for holidayOct 14 18:49
TweetTuxMachines                 hacking http://t.co/twElpn4qFhOct 14 18:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Oct 14 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | BeagleBoard-X15 to arrive in time for holiday hacking ·  LinuxGizmos.comOct 14 18:50
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o0vv4Oct 14 18:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to AndroidOct 14 18:50
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/vw7ilsAGi0 (www.yahoo.com)Oct 14 18:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.yahoo.com | 6 Reasons You Should Switch From iOS to AndroidOct 14 18:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially AddingOct 14 18:50
TweetTuxMachines                 PlayOnLinux http://t.co/1V91xtoPhCOct 14 18:50
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Oct 14 18:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Fedora Stakeholders Look At Potentially Adding PlayOnLinux - PhoronixOct 14 18:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor SoarOct 14 18:54
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/WxhlBWlVFJ (www.linuxinsider.com)Oct 14 18:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Mate Makes Robolinux Raptor Soar | Reviews | LinuxInsiderOct 14 18:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     North Americans Love /Linux ON THE DESKTOPOct 14 18:54
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/qpjDwhfby3 (mrpogson.com) "/LinuxOct 14 18:54
TweetTuxMachines                 has ~5% share."Oct 14 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | North Americans Love */Linux ON THE DESKTOP | Robert PogsonOct 14 18:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o0vxvOct 14 18:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Mangaka Chu Out Now as an UbuntuOct 14 18:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Derivative for Anime and Manga FansOct 14 18:54
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/JlbnDqyTKO (news.softpedia.com)Oct 14 18:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o0vxwOct 14 18:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jsbarretto/status/654429905548132352Oct 14 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jsbarretto: @schestowitz But rising. Mobile market takeover too. There is no "year of Linux desktop", it's happening being the scenes. Look at Android.Oct 14 18:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME Software 3.18.1 Now Downloads FirmwareOct 14 19:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Metadata Signatures Once Per DayOct 14 19:00
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/57w3xjLrrp (linux.softpedia.com)Oct 14 19:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | NO TITLEOct 14 19:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qseven module runs Linux on Bay Trail, targetsOct 14 19:01
TweetTuxMachines                 industrial apps http://t.co/aP0QBclKZgOct 14 19:01
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Oct 14 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Qseven module runs Linux on Bay Trail, targets industrial apps ·  LinuxGizmos.comOct 14 19:01
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o0w1lOct 14 19:01
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Mangaka Chu Out Now as an Ubuntu...'Oct 14 19:01
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MinceRhttp://www.itworld.com/article/2990861/linux/linux-sarah-sharp-defines-what-makes-a-good-community.htmlOct 14 19:12
MinceRhttp://www.itworld.com/article/2989588/linux/linux-is-sarah-sharp-a-social-justice-warrior.htmlOct 14 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Linux: Sarah Sharp defines what makes a good community | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o0w7d ]Oct 14 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Linux: Is Sarah Sharp a Social Justice Warrior? | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o0w7f ]Oct 14 19:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What I learned while securing UbuntuOct 14 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/LP1OWJt5BI (major.io)Oct 14 19:14
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o0w7wOct 14 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-major.io | What I learned while securing Ubuntu - major.ioOct 14 19:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     It Walks like Windows, It Talks like Windows,Oct 14 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                 but Q4OS 1.4.3 Is a Linux DistroOct 14 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/4iNphYf8cC (news.softpedia.com)Oct 14 19:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | NO TITLEOct 14 19:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: MarkOct 14 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Brown  http://t.co/YwqenxjJq3 (www.linux.com)Oct 14 19:14
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o0w7yOct 14 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Mark Brown | Linux.comOct 14 19:14
cubexyzupdate on listening to CBC Radio on Linux:Oct 14 19:28
cubexyzhttp://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/search?q=CBCOct 14 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca | Notes on LinuxOct 14 19:28
schestowitzThe Telegraph seems to have shut off its content.  So it's unlikely I'llOct 14 19:37
schestowitzhave any links to forward from them for the foreseeable future."Oct 14 19:37
schestowitziophkOct 14 19:37
schestowitzdidn't notice this issueOct 14 19:37
MinceRhttp://www.preining.info/blog/2015/10/looking-at-the-facts-sarah-sharps-crusade/Oct 14 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Looking at the facts: Sarah Sharp’s crusade | There and back again [ http://ur1.ca/o0wlh ]Oct 14 19:43
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MinceRhttp://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2015/10/13/tale-of-the-tape-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sandersOct 14 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Tale of the Tape: Hillary Clinton vs. Bernie Sanders | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/o0wud ]Oct 14 20:01
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704875Oct 14 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?Oct 14 20:12
schestowitz"old and busted"Oct 14 20:12
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fqxjv/status/654449282976628737Oct 14 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fqxjv: No, Hillary, Snowden did not have whistleblower protections http://t.co/AbqQEKIHb3 MT @schestowitz Spying & Fatherland Security are exemptOct 14 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.motherjones.com | No, Hillary, Edward Snowden Didn't Have Whistleblower Protections | Mother JonesOct 14 20:14
schestowitzSo now it will become another Maxim. I do not understand. In Japan they take care of covering pubic hair for their photos. What would stop them to have a non nude for the Chinese market and a “regular” one for the US one.Oct 14 20:16
schestowitzI think that Maxim and the ones from the same ilk are cannibalizing sales, than a problem with China. IMHO.Oct 14 20:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6704889Oct 14 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #China —not online porn—is why #Playboy is dumping nude photographs http://qz.com/522672/china-not-online-porn-is-why-playboy-is-dumping-nude-photographs/Oct 14 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> qz.com | China—not online porn—is why Playboy is dumping nude photographs - Quartz [ http://ur1.ca/o0x0x ]Oct 14 20:16
schestowitz"Oct 14 20:16
schestowitzSo now it will become another Maxim. I do not understand. In Japan they take care of covering pubic hair for their photos. What would stop them to have a non nude for the Chinese market and a “regular” one for the US one.Oct 14 20:16
schestowitzI think that Maxim and the ones from the same ilk are cannibalizing sales, than a problem with China. IMHO.Oct 14 20:16
schestowitz"Oct 14 20:16
schestowitzcensoring bodiesOct 14 20:16
XFaCEschestowitz: censoring *everythingOct 14 20:20
cubexyzregarding the Microsoft is being sneaky article...Oct 14 20:21
cubexyzI always tell people if you must run windows then have separate computers for windows and linuxOct 14 20:22
cubexyzdon't try to run both on the same computerOct 14 20:22
XFaCEschestowitz: "internet of hate", ughOct 14 20:22
XFaCEfear monger everywhere \o/Oct 14 20:23
cubexyzon the other hand, I've never had a problem running FreeDOS and Linux on the same machineOct 14 20:24
cubexyzor Plan 9 and LinuxOct 14 20:24
XFaCEcubexyz: what's Plan 9 like in modern times?Oct 14 20:25
cubexyzit's pretty stagnant actuallyOct 14 20:26
cubexyzonly works well on older hardwareOct 14 20:26
cubexyzbut I have older hardware, so no big problemOct 14 20:26
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XFaCEso a good 2005 OS? :POct 14 20:27
cubexyzput it in a similar cateogory to ReactOS, AROS, and other research OSesOct 14 20:27
XFaCEahOct 14 20:27
cubexyzI would probably say older than thatOct 14 20:27
cubexyzuse a computer with PS/2 ports for keyboard and mouse for sureOct 14 20:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 14/10/2015: ONOS Liaises With LinuxOct 14 21:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/AmuzigNa8LOct 14 21:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesOct 14 21:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/S8dyPzGTYbOct 14 21:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: MarkOct 14 21:22
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cubexyzsome baseline info on vPro:Oct 14 23:08
cubexyzhttp://www.howtogeek.com/56538/how-to-remotely-control-your-pc-even-when-it-crashes/Oct 14 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | How to Remotely Control Your PC (Even When it Crashes) [ http://ur1.ca/o0z5j ]Oct 14 23:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Free, open source alternatives to LastPassOct 14 23:09
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/0EbOb3mQcg (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 14 23:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free, open source alternatives to LastPass | Tux MachinesOct 14 23:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Why open source is a safe choice for agenciesOct 14 23:09
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/NaS7oHm4ZO (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 14 23:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why open source is a safe choice for agencies | Tux MachinesOct 14 23:09
cubexyzmsb_, note you can get some info about vPro in the Ivy Bridge sectionOct 14 23:11
msb_cubexyz: Thanks!  But at this point I'm focussing on AMD.Oct 14 23:13
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cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/amd-dashconfig.pdfOct 14 23:18
msb_cubexyz: Amazing that howtogeek thinks AMT is a _good_ thing!Oct 14 23:18
cubexyzthe bad outweights the good I'd sayOct 14 23:19
cubexyzit's like when major power plants started adding remote access to control panelsOct 14 23:19
cubexyzthey used be operated by physical switches onlyOct 14 23:19
cubexyzI guess if there was a bad crash and you wanted to remotely restart a computer, it could be usefulOct 14 23:21
cubexyzbut I don't think I ever want to reflash the BIOS remotelyOct 14 23:22
msb_You saw the page I found that explains how to wipe the hard drive remotely?Oct 14 23:22
cubexyzno, I don't think I saw thatOct 14 23:23
cubexyzprobably a stolen laptop scenarioOct 14 23:24
msb_https://community.amd.com/ideas/1115Oct 14 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-community.amd.com | Remote Diskwipe Solution for IT Administrator | CommunityOct 14 23:24
cubexyzis there a way to remove that facebook/twitter/print thing?Oct 14 23:27
msb_I think that very few people are 1. aware of the murderous psychopathy of the US government and its motivation to kill Net communication  and 2. knowledgeable about methods it could do that like AMT and DASH.Oct 14 23:27
cubexyzactually there was a WNED show about the NSA and stuxnet on TV tonightOct 14 23:28
msb_Good, but people think things like stuxnet would never apply to them.Oct 14 23:28
cubexyzbut mostly it was presented in way that made NSA look like the good guysOct 14 23:28
cubexyzeven had a Snowden interview about 'cyberwar'Oct 14 23:29
msb_Yeah.  Israel has 400 nukes and has been committing genocide for 50 years, but preventing Iran from having one nuke is portrayed as good.Oct 14 23:29
cubexyzah, found a way to hide itOct 14 23:29
msb_What are you talking about?Oct 14 23:30
cubexyzthere was a vertical strip on the left side of that community amd page you postedOct 14 23:30
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cubexyzmaybe your browser is blocking it automaticallyOct 14 23:30
msb_No.  How did you do it?Oct 14 23:31
msb_It blocks some of the text.Oct 14 23:31
cubexyzat the bottom there's a tiny greyish triangleOct 14 23:32
cubexyzclick it and it hides the stripOct 14 23:32
cubexyzthere's also another triangle higher up that brings it backOct 14 23:32
msb_I don't see that.  At the bottom is a cartoon of a printer.Oct 14 23:34
cubexyzthe bottom of the strip :)Oct 14 23:35
cubexyzyou may need to hover the mouse just under the print icon to see itOct 14 23:35
msb_Got it!  Had to use kmag to see it.Oct 14 23:35
msb_Very faint grey.Oct 14 23:36
cubexyzexactlyOct 14 23:36
msb_I loathe social media!Oct 14 23:36
cubexyzI don't like facebook, but all my old friends are on itOct 14 23:37
cubexyznote that DASH can view a BIOS screen remotelyOct 14 23:38
cubexyzlots of scary potential Oct 14 23:39
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msb_Very few computer-savvy people are capable of understanding that the US govt destr0yed Afgh. Iraq, Libya, half of Syria, installed a Nazi govt in Ukraine, and murdered 2,000,000 people, all since 2001.  Their eyes just glaze over and they change the subject.  It's like they're under a post-hypnotic suggestion.  They _can't_ think about it.Oct 14 23:45
msb_Anyhow that pdf on DASH is gold!  The xml schemas toward the end even seem to have a port number.  Maybe filtering out packets with that port# would do it!Oct 14 23:47
msb_Thanks!Oct 14 23:47
msb_It's gonna take me a while to study it though.  Just the fact that it's all about windows programs makes me want to puke.Oct 14 23:54
cubexyzLinus himself has remarked that BIOS development is windows-centric to a large degreeOct 14 23:55
cubexyzof course, older BIOSes were DOS-centricOct 14 23:55
msb_Here's a yahoo group:  Necromocracy !Oct 14 23:57
cubexyzjust for fun I'm going to have a look at http://award-bios.comOct 15 00:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-award-bios.com | Award Software and Phoenix Technologies Have MergedOct 15 00:00
msb_Found it:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/necromocracy/conversations/messagesOct 15 00:04
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cubexyzbad hackers could attack the firmware of your CDROMOct 15 00:11
cubexyzI think Dragos was talking about thatOct 15 00:11
cubexyzthe other thing I didn't like was the region code thing... you could change it half a dozen times then it gets lockedOct 15 00:12
msb_I guess once bad hackers get in (and the govt are the worst) they can change anything changeable.Oct 15 00:13
msb_A typical scenario the US govt could do, following from their actions in Ukraine and Syria, is to blow off a nuke somewhere in the US and say that Russia did it, and then kill the Internet and all computers so that researchers and honest news sources couldn't talk about it.Oct 15 00:17
cubexyzransomware :)Oct 15 00:17
cubexyzI even know people who have paid the ransomOct 15 00:17
msb_This would be much worse.Oct 15 00:17
cubexyzkilling the whole internet would be pretty hard to doOct 15 00:18
cubexyzsatellite/wifi/ethernet/3G/everything... Oct 15 00:18
msb_The govt controls the top-level domain servers.  Remember, they killed that guy who tried to stop it.Oct 15 00:18
msb_Then they could kill every computer they could via AMT and DASH.  And of course the microshit botnet.Oct 15 00:19
msb_WhtOct 15 00:20
msb_Whatever was left they could just take over with a few soldiers.Oct 15 00:20
cubexyzthere's always AX.25Oct 15 00:21
cubexyzI'm sure they probably could knock out a lot of the internet Oct 15 00:21
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_PostelOct 15 00:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jon Postel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaOct 15 00:25
msb_Died at the age of 55, 9 months after trying to get control of the root servers away from the US necromocracy.Oct 15 00:26
msb_We lost World War Z about a hundred years ago.Oct 15 00:27
cubexyzthere was something about complications from heart surgeryOct 15 00:27
msb_Yeah, fascist political complications.Oct 15 00:29
cubexyzdoesn't seem to be much info about itOct 15 00:29
msb_Don't worry, it was just a coincidence, nothing to see here, move on.Oct 15 00:29
msb_Somebody just walked past him, sprayed an aerosol in his face, and kept walking.  That's all it would take.Oct 15 00:30
cubexyzok, he actually died on the operating table, I wasn't sure about that Oct 15 00:30
cubexyzdid you know that Postel was opposed by NSI?Oct 15 00:31
msb_The poison would have given him the heart problem to start with.Oct 15 00:31
cubexyzand the NSI were well connected with washington defense contractors?Oct 15 00:31
msb_The psychopaths are all interconnected.  They are predatory aliens in human bodies, and their  prey is the human race.Oct 15 00:32
cubexyzcheck these names:Oct 15 00:32
cubexyzIra Magaziner and Becky BurrOct 15 00:33
cubexyzhmmm, Ira didn't seem too niceOct 15 00:34
cubexyzinteresting nickname:Oct 15 00:35
cubexyz"Hillary's Rasputin" :)Oct 15 00:35
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computers,_Freedom_and_Privacy_Conference  Becky Burr, head of the Commerce Department unit overseeing many Internet issuesOct 15 00:37
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cubexyzit definitely sounded like a bork-up of the public trustOct 15 00:38
msb_"Public trust" is a total charade.  Americans are given just enough to enable them to survive (mostly), but without spare time or money to investigage and organize.  The Internet is changing that, but you can see all the malware and propaganda that are being used to prevent people from using it.Oct 15 00:42
msb_Talk about rt.com or globalresearch.ca, even here, and blammo!Oct 15 00:43
msb_The power of the Bernays method is enormous.  Not just "what you tell me three times is true", but what  you tell me 3,000 times is absolute fact that can never be questioned.Oct 15 00:45
msb_The monsters have defense in depth.Oct 15 00:45
msb_I don't know how we've survived this long.  It's as if there is some invisible force opposing and limiting them.Oct 15 00:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian GNU/Linux Jessie, Wheezy and Sid ReceiveOct 15 00:47
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msb_Hillary Clinton, the gleeful murderer of Gaddafi and Libya, will probably be elected president.  Or  the lunatic Donald tRump.Oct 15 00:50
cubexyzI'll have to have a look at rt.com laterOct 15 00:50
msb_If you don't get it on cable tv, I'm sure they are streaming constantly over the web.  Oct 15 00:51
msb_I have it on cable!Oct 15 00:51
cubexyzit's Bell Satellite, not that I'm a big fan of Bell :-POct 15 00:53
cubexyzwe have a bit of a duopoly hereOct 15 00:53
cubexyzno, I don't get Russia TodayOct 15 00:54
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msb_There are stories on the rt.com homepage, and each of the weekly shows here: https://www.rt.com/shows/  has its own page listing recent shows with links to downloadable videos.Oct 15 01:00
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msb_Watching the Hawks, The Big Picture, Crosstalk are particularly good.Oct 15 01:01
msb_Despite what we've been told, very little of it has to do with, er, the P-man.Oct 15 01:02
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msb_cubexyz: There's a where-to-watch page:  https://www.rt.com/where-to-watch/   It's probably been on my system for  years but just called a "leased channel".  I only found out about it a month or two ago when a neighbor on the same system told me.  Oct 15 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Where to watch — RTOct 15 01:13
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msb_http://fossforce.com/2015/10/microsoft-infects-windows-computers-with-advertising-malware/Oct 15 03:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Microsoft Infects Windows Computers With Malvertising | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/o11ud ]Oct 15 03:47
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schestowitz> http://fossforce.com/2015/10/good-software-bad-behavior/Oct 15 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Good Software, Bad Behavior | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/o1297 ]Oct 15 04:31
schestowitz>Oct 15 04:31
schestowitz> Larry seeing only the opposing side's press statements, see next linkOct 15 04:31
schestowitz> for how it should have been handled.Oct 15 04:31
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schestowitz>Oct 15 04:32
schestowitz> "I have now spent two hours reading through lkml posts, and want toOct 15 04:32
schestowitz> summarize a few mails from the long thread, since most of the usual newsOct 15 04:32
schestowitz> sites just rewrap the original blog of hers without adding any background."Oct 15 04:32
schestowitz>Oct 15 04:32
schestowitz> http://www.preining.info/blog/2015/10/looking-at-the-facts-sarah-sharps-crusade/Oct 15 04:32
schestowitzYes, I don't want to spend more time on this. It only helps Linux foes.Oct 15 04:32
schestowitzI have an explosive MS/EPO article coming tonight...Oct 15 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Looking at the facts: Sarah Sharp’s crusade | There and back again [ http://ur1.ca/o0wlh ]Oct 15 04:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19,Oct 15 04:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Happy Birthday! http://t.co/On20kCk3DSOct 15 04:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, Happy Birthday! | Tux MachinesOct 15 04:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Liberty Is First OpenStack Release Under 'BigOct 15 04:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Tent' Model http://t.co/h7WJINsbxiOct 15 04:33
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o129qOct 15 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Liberty Is First OpenStack Release Under 'Big Tent' Model | Tux MachinesOct 15 04:33
schestowitzNew leak in the kitchen today (just discovered). Another weekend project, I guess. :/Oct 15 04:42
schestowitz> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2990107/windows-server/hands-on-with-powershell-for-windows-server-admins.htmlOct 15 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | The power of PowerShell: An intro for Windows Server admins | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/o12gl ]Oct 15 04:52
schestowitz>Oct 15 04:52
schestowitz> SPAMOct 15 04:52
schestowitz"Adam is a Microsoft Windows PowerShell MVP, 2015 powershell.org PowerShell hero, and has numerous Microsoft IT pro certifications."Oct 15 04:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/encycl/status/654589394146324480Oct 15 05:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz I use Pass, an encrypted #CLI password keeper.Oct 15 05:30
cubexyzif you really want to know about shells, you write one :)Oct 15 05:31
cubexyzancient shells are quite interestingOct 15 05:37
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-v5-thompson-shell.cOct 15 05:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CentOS 7 Linux OS Has Been Officially ReleasedOct 15 05:41
TweetTuxMachines                 for the 32-Bit (i386) ArchitectureOct 15 05:41
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cubexyzthe old knowledge has really atrophied, I'm sorry to sayOct 15 05:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS 7 Linux OS Has Been Officially Released for the 32-Bit (i386) Architecture | Tux MachinesOct 15 05:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Arrive in the First HalfOct 15 05:41
TweetTuxMachines                 of Next Week, Says CanonicalOct 15 05:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/KzAY9Nnf7n (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 05:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Arrive in the First Half of Next Week, Says Canonical | Tux MachinesOct 15 05:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner’sOct 15 05:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Guide http://t.co/W0lIcY9mfwOct 15 05:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sitepoint.com | Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner's GuideOct 15 05:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally)Oct 15 05:44
TweetTuxMachines                 also Pepsi and some Business phone statsOct 15 05:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/4bsgIUSPymOct 15 05:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (communities-dominate.blogs.com)Oct 15 05:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally) also Pepsi and some Business phone statsOct 15 05:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian GNU/Linux Jessie, Wheezy and Sid ReceiveOct 15 05:44
TweetTuxMachines                 New Linux Kernel Updates http://t.co/fJxlsAAKqROct 15 05:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Oct 15 05:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian GNU/Linux Jessie, Wheezy and Sid Receive New Linux Kernel Updates - SoftpediaOct 15 05:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19,Oct 15 05:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Happy Birthday! http://t.co/TSGiYf13j8Oct 15 05:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Oct 15 05:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19, Happy Birthday! - SoftpediaOct 15 05:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CentOS 7 Linux OS Has Been Officially ReleasedOct 15 05:55
TweetTuxMachines                 for the 32-Bit (i386) ArchitectureOct 15 05:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/nmBqx1abxw (linux.softpedia.com)Oct 15 05:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | CentOS 7 Linux OS Has Been Officially Released for the 32-Bit (i386) Architecture - SoftpediaOct 15 05:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Arrive in the First HalfOct 15 05:56
TweetTuxMachines                 of Next Week, Says CanonicalOct 15 05:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Ot1wIpqwFC (news.softpedia.com)Oct 15 05:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Arrive in the First Half of Next Week, Says Canonical - SoftpediaOct 15 05:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Kool Desktop Environment (KDE) Turns 19,Oct 15 06:36
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Happy Birthday! http://t.co/TSGiYf13j8Oct 15 06:36
TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi     (linux.softpedia.com)Oct 15 06:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o13o8Oct 15 06:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Dual-core, Cortex-A15 Sitara arrives with LinuxOct 15 06:36
TweetTuxMachines                 and Android http://t.co/yzvuUqm8eeOct 15 06:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Oct 15 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Dual-core, Cortex-A15 Sitara arrives with Linux and Android ·  LinuxGizmos.comOct 15 06:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o13o9Oct 15 06:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Six Updated Themes for the Moksha DesktopOct 15 06:36
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/BefSxoupFj (www.bodhilinux.com)Oct 15 06:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o13oaOct 15 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bodhilinux.com | Six Updated Themes for the Moksha Desktop | Bodhi LinuxOct 15 06:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Reynolds/status/654606093654605824  https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/654606407099154432Oct 15 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reynolds: @schestowitz @glynmoody '10,000 police officers'? What?Oct 15 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @Reynolds @schestowitz surrealOct 15 06:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     In Summary: Flock to Fedora 2015Oct 15 07:17
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/uiMn7HUfdA (fedoramagazine.org)Oct 15 07:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o142qOct 15 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | In Summary: Flock to Fedora 2015 - Fedora MagazineOct 15 07:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     8 best free and open source inventoryOct 15 07:17
TweetTuxMachines                 management systems: how to save money andOct 15 07:17
TweetTuxMachines                 improve service for your customersOct 15 07:17
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/D7Mf6dfcor (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 07:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o142sOct 15 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 best free and open source inventory management systems: how to save money and improve service for your customers | Tux MachinesOct 15 07:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally)Oct 15 07:17
TweetTuxMachines                 also Pepsi and some Business phone statsOct 15 07:17
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/bvbJWXdgsF (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 07:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o142tOct 15 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hey Tizen Second Smartphone Released (Finally) also Pepsi and some Business phone stats | Tux MachinesOct 15 07:17
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cubexyzPC Mag is such a crock of shitOct 15 07:38
cubexyz"de-gunk your PC's OS"Oct 15 07:39
cubexyzI'm just not the target demographicOct 15 07:39
MinceR:>Oct 15 08:06
MinceRmaybe you'll become that, as cancerd and launchd are forced everywhere :>Oct 15 08:07
cubexyzisn't launchd a OS X thing?Oct 15 08:11
cubexyzI'll never run thatOct 15 08:11
cubexyzcan't see OpenBSD ever using itOct 15 08:12
MinceRit's also being pushed into bsdOct 15 08:12
cubexyzthere's no launchd in OpenBSDOct 15 08:14
cubexyzmaybe FreeBSDOct 15 08:14
cubexyzhaven't really looked at FreeBSD developments in quite a whileOct 15 08:15
MinceR"next"bsd has it, hopefully it won't be merged into freebsdOct 15 08:16
cubexyzthanks for the warningOct 15 08:17
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MinceRhttp://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/41069/hacking/control-mobile-phone-16-feet.htmlOct 15 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-securityaffairs.co | How to silently control a mobile phone from 16 Feet AwaySecurity Affairs [ http://ur1.ca/o15z0 ]Oct 15 10:18
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/654619174468218880Oct 15 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Proof that RedHat has anything to do with that? #FUDOct 15 11:59
schestowitzIt is mostly Red Hat that funds #systemd developmentOct 15 11:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Smoothiefy/status/654644003040829440Oct 15 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Smoothiefy: @schestowitz #icann promotes corrupt registrars by lacking safeguards to protect consumers from domain name IP theft by registrarOct 15 12:00
schestowitzAlso enables abuse by efforts to take down domains (for various reasons, including purely bogus ones) #internet #icann #censorshipOct 15 12:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Walmart decries cloud lock-in, plans toOct 15 12:01
TweetTuxMachines                 open-source OneOps http://t.co/o6HzDRaQjPOct 15 12:01
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 12:01
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o176uOct 15 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Walmart decries cloud lock-in, plans to open-source OneOps | Tux MachinesOct 15 12:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner’sOct 15 12:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Guide http://t.co/WYI20uwgqdOct 15 12:02
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 12:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o176wOct 15 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Trying Linux for the First Time: A Beginner’s Guide | Tux MachinesOct 15 12:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/654701676910120960Oct 15 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Half of "Japanese" recipes in restaurants are in fact Japanised Western dishes. Tempura=deep-frying, tataki=barbecue...Oct 15 13:00
msb_https://www.rt.com/shows/watching-the-hawks/318728-cia-black-sites-us/  " David Talbot talks about his new book, ‘The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government’Oct 15 13:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | CIA chronicles: Black sites & Allen Dulles’ legacy with David Talbot (E115) RT — Watching the Hawks [ http://ur1.ca/o17yz ]Oct 15 13:01
msb_Talks about how Dulles helped smuggle Nazis to safety after WW2, overthrew many governments, plotted against the USSR, etc.Oct 15 13:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jason4e/status/654450531314733056?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=547c58cb78dbc529c9dc31479bd8084fa1aa9501&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=c069650d0829458bb0af7e8d205aa1f5&autoactions=1444868140&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267Oct 15 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jason4e: @fqxjv @schestowitz @AJVicens either way hope he likes Moscow. Get a jacket Punk!Oct 15 13:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Can the Internet exist without Linux?Oct 15 13:03
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/eQakpjd8cW (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 13:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o17zqOct 15 13:03
schestowitzmsb_: we are not talking about NazisOct 15 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Can the Internet exist without Linux? | Tux MachinesOct 15 13:03
schestowitzmsb_: don't get startedOct 15 13:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NASA Just Released the Massive VICAR CollectionOct 15 13:03
TweetTuxMachines                 of Apps as Open Source http://t.co/POQkiK8ny0Oct 15 13:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 13:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o17zuOct 15 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NASA Just Released the Massive VICAR Collection of Apps as Open Source | Tux MachinesOct 15 13:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu TouchOct 15 13:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Store http://t.co/jbv1yecvIaOct 15 13:08
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 13:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o182jOct 15 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch Store | Tux MachinesOct 15 13:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and aOct 15 13:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux learner bundle http://t.co/K7HyJz0B0dOct 15 13:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 13:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o182kOct 15 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and a Linux learner bundle | Tux MachinesOct 15 13:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leap Release Candidate gets new office suiteOct 15 13:09
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/3Yjm6YuqQ6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 13:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o182nOct 15 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leap Release Candidate gets new office suite | Tux MachinesOct 15 13:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Can the Internet exist without Linux?Oct 15 13:09
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/3cF0yd4RLz (www.zdnet.com)Oct 15 13:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o182pOct 15 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | ​Can the Internet exist without Linux? | ZDNetOct 15 13:09
msb_schestowitz: I'm not "getting started", just posting a single link about an extremely informative show and book that talks about the _roots_ of our present situation.  You post links to important info that isn't strictly tech.  What is Microsoft, EPO, swpats, systemd, etc, if not corporate domination of the world with govt help?  What is another word for govt alliance with corporations  against the people?   Oct 15 13:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654705728192516097Oct 15 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Journalists afraid?Oct 15 13:11
schestowitzTopic brought to the #epo a legacy of suing people for years in his own country for libel (despite losing in court). SLAPP=>self censorship.Oct 15 13:11
schestowitzmsb_: you can keep quiet about OT here..Oct 15 13:13
schestowitz.just making a mockery of the site and the channelOct 15 13:13
schestowitzthere are channels about politicsOct 15 13:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ircolle/status/654705980249239552Oct 15 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ircolle: @schestowitz No. ;-)Oct 15 13:14
msb_schestowitz: What exactly is your definition of "politics"?  Aren't SLAPP suits politics?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participationOct 15 13:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Strategic lawsuit against public participation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/o185k ]Oct 15 13:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654707527301500928Oct 15 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz I thought the uk was the libel tourist's destination of choice.Oct 15 13:18
schestowitzEven worse then for people like me and journalists who write >in English< about #epo #organisedCrimeOct 15 13:18
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/654707889366396928Oct 15 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz But no does outside Croatia?Oct 15 13:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu TouchOct 15 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Store http://t.co/tjONgUJTc4Oct 15 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Oct 15 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Malicious App Published in Ubuntu Touch Store - SoftpediaOct 15 13:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o18c0Oct 15 13:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Deal: score a VoCore mini Linux computer and aOct 15 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux learner bundle http://t.co/HdiofxMcx1Oct 15 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidauthority.com)Oct 15 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Deal: score a VoCore Mini Linux Computer and a Linux Learner BundleOct 15 13:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o18c2Oct 15 13:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leap Release Candidate gets new office suiteOct 15 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ozQEm2K1ee (news.opensuse.org)Oct 15 13:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o18c3Oct 15 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | openSUSE NewsOct 15 13:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     HAProxy 1.6.0 released http://t.co/aNFgYuj1KwOct 15 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (blog.haproxy.com)Oct 15 13:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o18e1Oct 15 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.haproxy.com | What’s new in HAProxy 1.6 | HAProxy Technologies – Aloha Load BalancerOct 15 13:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Is the KDE 5 desktop stable enough for normalOct 15 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 users? https://t.co/ac8merXNAiOct 15 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (btux1984.wordpress.com) no, wait until 2017Oct 15 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 maybe.Oct 15 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-btux1984.wordpress.com | Is the KDE 5 desktop stable enough for normal users? | Ruberg's blogOct 15 13:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o18e2Oct 15 13:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Blocks: Modularity Comes to SmartwatchesOct 15 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/YbU8veQgh8 (www.linux.com)Oct 15 13:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o18e3Oct 15 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Blocks: Modularity Comes to Smartwatches | Linux.comOct 15 13:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Processor utilization difference between IBMOct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 AIX and Linux on Power – apple to appleOct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 comparison http://t.co/CzuRvd5MTQ-Oct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.ibm.com)Oct 15 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://t.co/CzuRvd5MTQ- )Oct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o18m4Oct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Before the Echo comes to Mac and Linux withOct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 literally no warning whatsoeverOct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ZmzaWiQwF9 (www.gamasutra.com)Oct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o18m5Oct 15 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamasutra.com | Gamasutra - Press Releases - Before the Echo comes to Mac and Linux with literally no warning whatsoeverOct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     “We’ve seen basic researchers learning LinuxOct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 and cloud computing to keep up with it all”Oct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/g4Ne7m3oezOct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.sandiegouniontribune.com)Oct 15 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sandiegouniontribune.com | Comet will be used by 10,000 investigators per year | SanDiegoUnionTribune.comOct 15 13:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o18m6Oct 15 13:55
schestowitzPossibly just IBM 'marketing' in disguise https://joindiaspora.com/p/6707580Oct 15 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power...Oct 15 13:59
schestowitzPossibly just IBM 'marketing' in disguise https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6707580Oct 15 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-processor-utilization-difference-aix-lop-trs/index.html?ca=drs- #ibm #aix #linux #unixOct 15 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ibm.com | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison [ http://ur1.ca/o18o6 ]Oct 15 13:59
schestowitzcubexyz: is this believable?Oct 15 14:00
schestowitzIBm benchmarks its proprietary/secret systemOct 15 14:00
schestowitzRe: Fwd: TR: LogNo 2011/0338 -- Unauthorised Use of EPO Logo on the website www.unitary-patent.euOct 15 14:13
schestowitzExcellent. Zoobab mentioned this briefly at the time, now I can do an article about it...Oct 15 14:13
schestowitzJust got a scoopOct 15 14:13
msb_Since AIX is secret it can easily contain code for optimizing performance on a particular benchmark.  This has been done before.Oct 15 14:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "Crimp nasty privilege escalation bug byOct 15 14:28
TweetTuxMachines                 running it in Linux instead says Rapid7"Oct 15 14:29
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/pUMjems9Z6 (www.theregister.co.uk)Oct 15 14:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o1924Oct 15 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | HP perfomance monitor can climb through Windows • The RegisterOct 15 14:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     DFileManager: Cover Flow File ManagerOct 15 14:29
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/QHpoYsMt7t (gofk.tumblr.com)Oct 15 14:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o1926Oct 15 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gofk.tumblr.com | gofk Blog — DFileManager: Cover Flow File Manager A real gem...Oct 15 14:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Processor utilization difference between IBMOct 15 14:29
TweetTuxMachines                 AIX and Linux on Power – apple to appleOct 15 14:29
TweetTuxMachines                 comparison http://t.co/Z27wr0jFLKOct 15 14:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 14:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o1927Oct 15 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Processor utilization difference between IBM AIX and Linux on Power – apple to apple comparison | Tux MachinesOct 15 14:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Is open source killing end-to-end products?Oct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Q3TrhLU3TA (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o1955Oct 15 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is open source killing end-to-end products? | Tux MachinesOct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PHP 7.0 RC5 Released, PHP 7.0 In Under OneOct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Month http://t.co/EInCPp1zFjOct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PHP 7.0 RC5 Released, PHP 7.0 In Under One Month | Tux MachinesOct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o1959Oct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Syncloud: personal services deviceOct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ye3XOXsJUX (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o195aOct 15 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Syncloud: personal services device | Tux MachinesOct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME's Mutter 3.18.1 Brings Better HiDPI OnOct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Wayland http://t.co/eOWFHXhqmXOct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o195bOct 15 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME's Mutter 3.18.1 Brings Better HiDPI On Wayland | Tux MachinesOct 15 14:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Launches in India,Oct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines                 On Sale next week 21 OctoberOct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/5vaIG9xnzp (www.tizenexperts.com)Oct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o19ezOct 15 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone Launches in India, On Sale next week 21 October - Tizen ExpertsOct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone – Hands on WebOct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Reviews http://t.co/nRXdVpu8i5Oct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tizenexperts.com)Oct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o19f0Oct 15 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Video] Samsung Z3 Tizen Smartphone - Hands on Web Reviews - Tizen ExpertsOct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Medtronic's George, Red Hat's Whitehurst,Oct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Citrix's Lipson talk leadership in the C-SuiteOct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/anplWMHWNh (www.bizjournals.com)Oct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines                 "left..Delta for Red Hat."Oct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o19f1Oct 15 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | Medtronic's George, Red Hat's Whitehurst, Citrix's Lipson talk leadership - Triangle Business JournalOct 15 14:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "Red Hat, Inc. will host the 2015 GovernmentOct 15 15:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Symposium on Tuesday, November 10th"Oct 15 15:04
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/WDPigzlvhT (www.washingtonexec.com)Oct 15 15:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o19iwOct 15 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonexec.com | 2015 Red Hat Government Symposium Set for November 10 | WashingtonExecOct 15 15:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LG begins rolling out Android 6.0 MarshmallowOct 15 15:04
TweetTuxMachines                 to the G4 next week  http://t.co/bPjafOLyNxOct 15 15:04
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.theverge.com)Oct 15 15:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o19ixOct 15 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | LG begins rolling out Android 6.0 Marshmallow to the G4 next week | The VergeOct 15 15:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     7 Of The Best Android Video Player AppsOct 15 15:04
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/omRts7Uu96 (tech.co)Oct 15 15:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o19iyOct 15 15:04
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google’s Nexus Lineup Offers Better SecurityOct 15 15:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | Google’s Nexus Lineup Offers Better Security Among Android Phones: Cambridge ReportOct 15 15:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     BlackBerry Priv Android Slider Smartphone GoesOct 15 15:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Daily Deal: Linux Computer And Linux LearnerOct 15 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | Daily Deal: Linux Computer And Linux Learner Bundle | TechdirtOct 15 15:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android 6.0 Marshmallow reviewOct 15 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android 6.0 Marshmallow review | Tux MachinesOct 15 15:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen Leftovers http://t.co/256cavUdmMOct 15 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 15 15:49
schestowitzhttp://www.iam-media.com/Blog/Detail.aspx?g=f9b020d4-57b8-41c1-97df-9db6edf3be20Oct 15 15:58
schestowitz"Grant Philpott, principal director for information and communications technology at the European Patent Office (EPO), looked at the issue from a slightly different angle. While the number of filings handled by SIPO has shot through the roof in recent years - making it the world's largest patent office by volume – he noted that Chinese residents still constitute a conspicuously small proportion of applicants in foreign jurisdictions. "I am Oct 15 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | A new approach to the reform debate; China's IP future; the European tide; and much more at IPBC Global Day 3 - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business [ http://ur1.ca/o1a5i ]Oct 15 15:58
schestowitznot so sure we will see a flood of Chinese patents coming our way any time soon," he forecast, suggesting that Chinese companies' relatively small patent holdings outside of their own country is perhaps indicative that they have some way to go in terms of IP sophistication. For Laura Quatela- head of IP at Alcatel-Lucent, as well as a member of the board at Technicolor – that implied that we will see even more of a phenomenon that has Oct 15 15:58
schestowitzbecome increasingly apparent over recent years: the acquisition of foreign patent assets by Chinese entities. (JE)"Oct 15 15:58
schestowitzTwo notoriously corrupt entities find common grounds. I think this necessitates WIPR coverage and do does my source http://techrights.org/2015/10/14/epo-against-patent-neutrality/Oct 15 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Says Crushing Patent Neutrality is a Good Thing® Because Authenticity of Self-Incriminating EPO Document Cannot be Denied | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o1b1c ]Oct 15 17:08
schestowitzoops, wrong link http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/Oct 15 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Exclusive: Leaked E-mail From Grant Philpott (EPO Principal Telecommunications Director) Shows Collusion Between EPO and Microsoft to Prioritise Most Notorious Patent Bully, Microsoft | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o1b1r ]Oct 15 17:08
schestowitzOops. Sent wrong link. This one:Oct 15 17:09
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/Oct 15 17:09
schestowitzI can defend all my claims there; been writing about these issues for over a decade and collected references...Oct 15 17:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat News http://t.co/pNEbCZP6grOct 15 17:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux MachinesOct 15 17:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/3vP1j86nNZOct 15 17:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesOct 15 17:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/654768463253102593Oct 15 17:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Two primes. Multiples of primes can be very useful. This is mindblowing: http://t.co/XYfc7OyNXLOct 15 17:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.newyorker.com | The Cicada’s Love Affair With Prime Numbers - The New YorkerOct 15 17:20
schestowitzPrime number in a dating system would make division hard, except 3 week cycles and 7 day parts...Oct 15 17:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/3vP1j86nNZOct 15 17:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On SteamOct 15 17:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam Machines & The Steam Controller | GamingOnLinuxOct 15 17:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Says Ubuntu Phones Will Run Any LinuxOct 15 17:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654783203496976384Oct 15 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Based on … drum rolls … http://t.co/mdqbmQFaaG :DOct 15 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Phones Will Run Any Linux Application on Top of Unity 8 - SoftpediaOct 15 18:18
schestowitzNice to be the trend-setting media. Take these as a compliment.Oct 15 18:18
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654783638303694850Oct 15 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Thank you ;)Oct 15 18:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654783629038514176Oct 15 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: (Tories are dullest cards in your deck -- on the Island.) https://t.co/sBIseaX1zXOct 15 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I might, if time permits, return to writing about #drones this weekend. It's infuriating that Tories copied defunct #CIA policy >WHOLESALE<.Oct 15 18:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654784517585022977Oct 15 18:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Phone hit with serious securityOct 15 18:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz BTW, did you noticed a much smaller number of visitors lately?Oct 15 18:28
TweetTuxMachines                 vulnerability http://t.co/hzSOv5qYWMOct 15 18:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Ubuntu Phone hit with serious security vulnerabilityOct 15 18:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First Major Ubuntu Touch Exploit Is a Wake-up Call for Canonical - SoftpediaOct 15 18:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On SteamOct 15 18:28
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schestowitzIn general, in tux machines, in linux sites, softpedia?Oct 15 18:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Several Sites Publish Their Thoughts On Steam Machines & The Steam Controller | Tux MachinesOct 15 18:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/LbsrFu7BjTOct 15 18:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesOct 15 18:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/elFqVJXdcYOct 15 18:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux MachinesOct 15 18:29
TweetTuxMachines@MariusNestor    @schestowitz On @tuxmachines yes.Oct 15 18:29
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654786162662375425Oct 15 18:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz On @tuxmachines yes.Oct 15 18:30
schestowitzNo, same as before (big increase since mid year), why?Oct 15 18:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654786282548137984Oct 15 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Cards Against Humanity...?Oct 15 18:31
schestowitzExactly. Ear-catching name. They did it!Oct 15 18:32
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/LbsrFu7BjT'Oct 15 18:32
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TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     @MariusNestor @tuxmachines No, same as beforeOct 15 18:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (big increase since mid year), why?Oct 15 18:32
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654787296172969984Oct 15 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz I believe there's something strange lately on the Internet… like many people vanished, still our followers have increased…Oct 15 18:34
schestowitzAndroid became mainstream, desktop GNU/Linux doesn't enjoy the same following, not even Ubuntu anymoreOct 15 18:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654787009878212608Oct 15 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Yes, but WHAT ?Oct 15 18:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328Oct 15 18:48
schestowitzGNU/Linux stories almost never make it into front page of anything anymore. Reddit is famously astroturfed by Microsoft.Oct 15 18:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328Oct 15 18:50
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/654789383057379328Oct 15 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Yeah, for that I need to write the story of the century :))Oct 15 19:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/654787009878212608Oct 15 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Yes, but WHAT ?Oct 15 19:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/654790908781596672   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/654791298293985281   https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/654737160549961728Oct 15 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just added a sentence to clarify that Philpott also pushes (even politically lobbies) for the #UPC http://t.co/aQJ2X3YGgs #microsoft #epoOct 15 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Exclusive: Leaked E-mail From Grant Philpott (EPO Principal Telecommunications Director) Shows Collusion Between EPO and Microsoft to Prioritise Most Notorious Patent Bully, Microsoft | TechrightsOct 15 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@MariusNestor #GNU/#Linux stories almost never make it into front page of anything anymore. #Reddit is famously astroturfed by #Microsoft.Oct 15 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NHAparty: NHS children's services in Bristol not handed to Virgin Care after anti-privatisation protest: http://t.co/IHmcaO0j7b via @BristolPostOct 15 19:03
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schestowitzhttp://slashdot.org/submission/5101535/epo-admits-the-unitary-patent-is-all-about-software-patentsOct 15 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | EPO admits the Unitary Patent is all about software patents - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/o1cme ]Oct 15 19:11
schestowitz"The European Patent Office (EPO) has recognised that the Unitary Patent Court will provide harmonisation across Europe on the issue of software patents. In a conference in London held few days ago, EPO’s Grant Philpott said "The UPC (Unitary Patent Court) will provide strong harmonisation in ICT applications that will play a dominant role in patent world". A recent leak by Techrights.org also shows that the EPO has been prioritizing Oct 15 19:11
schestowitzpatent applications for a few large non-European companies, such as Microsoft or Huawei. The leaked document and webpage is now made inacessible and filtered from the internet access within the EPO premises."Oct 15 19:11
cubexyzit wouldn't surprise me at all that IBM AIX runs better than Linux on Power CPUOct 15 19:14
cubexyzthey know everything about the POWER CPU, IBM made itOct 15 19:15
cubexyzjust like icc (intel's c compiler) can optimize code on Intel CPU's better than gccOct 15 19:15
cubexyznaturally intel knows more about their own CPUsOct 15 19:16
cubexyzjust like IBM mainframes are better than PCs, their IO capability is a lot betterOct 15 19:17
MinceRi've heard horror stories about how AIX does shared libraries, thoughOct 15 19:18
cubexyzAIX came out of the Unix Sys V and 4.3BSD, IBM combined ideas from bothOct 15 19:20
cubexyzbut it is closed source of courseOct 15 19:20
cubexyzthe big downside... IBM doesn't like giving out source code, unless it's for very old stuffOct 15 19:22
cubexyzSCO actually tried to revoke IBM's AIX licenseOct 15 19:27
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cubexyzAIX is expensive, you have to buy the software and hardware Oct 15 19:30
cubexyz$85 per core, plus $299 per year for maintainanceOct 15 19:30
cubexyzthey do have a "low cost" optionOct 15 19:32
cubexyzAIX Express EditionOct 15 19:32
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cubexyzprobably AIX would have better uptimes than LinuxOct 15 19:39
cubexyzmore conservative programming, less untest codeOct 15 19:39
cubexyzyou're not going to have customers playing games on AIXOct 15 19:39
cubexyzbetter memory management tooOct 15 19:40
cubexyzbut the big downside remains: AIX is closedOct 15 19:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494Oct 15 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The nasty company that uses large-breasted women to market its #censorship -happy 'products': "workforce diversity"? http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/10/14/diversity-transparency-and-sharing-data-at-godaddy-ghc15/Oct 15 19:42
schestowitz"From Silicon Angle. GoDaddy has a similar website, Silicone Angle."Oct 15 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> siliconangle.com | Diversity, transparency and sharing data at GoDaddy | #GHC15 | SiliconANGLE [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0b ]Oct 15 19:42
schestowitz[00:30] <cubexyz> $85 per core, plus $299 per year for maintainanceOct 15 19:42
schestowitzMehOct 15 19:42
schestowitzMore expensive than a whole new dual-core PCOct 15 19:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708459Oct 15 19:43
schestowitz"Windows it’s a crap!"Oct 15 19:43
schestowitzDon't insult crapOct 15 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-upgrade-nags-become-more-aggressive-offer-no-opt-out/ #vista10 dirty tricks http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_LogOct 15 19:43
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708784Oct 15 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/653724738280386561Oct 15 19:43
schestowitz"There's a Diaspora feed for Snowden Tweets btw."Oct 15 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Snowden: An individual trying to limit speech at universities is interested in neither university nor justice. https://t.co/JHNEbIAfa3Oct 15 19:44
schestowitzWhere?Oct 15 19:44
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MinceRhttps://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/24/142Oct 15 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org | LKML: "Francesca V.": Speaking out against Sarah SharpOct 15 20:26
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cubexyzThe fact that that old guy switched over to Linux isn't too surprisingOct 15 20:40
cubexyzPhd in Astrophysics? Taught at Universities?Oct 15 20:40
cubexyzNo wonderOct 15 20:40
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-progress-zero-percent.jpgOct 15 20:52
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-error-too-many-errors.jpgOct 15 20:55
MinceR:)Oct 15 20:56
schestowitzMinceR: did you get it from my link?Oct 15 21:04
MinceRprobablyOct 15 21:05
schestowitzit's only surfacing now..Oct 15 21:06
schestowitzbullied her husband tooOct 15 21:06
schestowitzpoor thing..Oct 15 21:06
schestowitz"It has a back door at OS level, so I think dual boot with Linux and encrypted file system would be the best bet" -meOct 15 21:09
schestowitzThanks. Appreciated.Oct 15 21:09
schestowitzcontext: "Any suggestions for decent drive encryption for windows 10? Obviously not using bitlocker and have been using programs to disable all the anti privacy crap that microsoft put into windows 10 but I would feel better if I had a good open source encryption program to use for both my laptop and external hard drive. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks."Oct 15 21:09
cubexyzdon't use windows 10Oct 15 21:11
cubexyz:)Oct 15 21:11
cubexyzwhat is wrong with people, does Bill Gates have their balls in an iron grip?Oct 15 21:13
cubexyzmetaphorically speakingOct 15 21:13
schestowitzsome people need information and courageOct 15 21:16
schestowitzintroduce them to gnu/linuxOct 15 21:16
schestowitzor even chromebooksOct 15 21:16
schestowitzor androidOct 15 21:16
schestowitzit'll help them realise they don't NEED windowsOct 15 21:16
schestowitzi got my mom using android for most thingsOct 15 21:16
MinceRsome people apparently like the design flaws winblows is built onOct 15 21:16
cubexyzI don't think the users like the flawsOct 15 21:17
schestowitz(side story, and one I don't mind sharing publicly, the other week I opened her android tablet and was horrified to find closed tabs in chrome that were pr0nograph..... ewwww)Oct 15 21:17
MinceRyesterday one of them zealously defended that broken kind of thinkingOct 15 21:18
schestowitzcubexyz: they don't know of the flawsOct 15 21:18
schestowitzalso about privacy violations in the NetOct 15 21:18
schestowitzdrpizza is not around nowOct 15 21:18
MinceRnot on this channel, i mean :)Oct 15 21:18
schestowitztoday he sort of defended Microsoft force-feeding vista 10Oct 15 21:18
schestowitzhe quotes MicfrosoftOct 15 21:19
schestowitzthey frame it as "accident"Oct 15 21:19
schestowitzthe accident is that they got caught, I guess...Oct 15 21:19
cubexyzwho is drpizza?Oct 15 21:19
schestowitzand got negative press for itOct 15 21:19
schestowitzMS PeterOct 15 21:19
schestowitzPeter brightsOct 15 21:19
schestowitzArse 'Tech'ni-kakaOct 15 21:19
schestowitzMinceR: http://grep.be/blog//en/life/debian/On_Planet_Debian_and_the_Code_of_Conduct/Oct 15 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-grep.be | On Planet Debian and the Code of Conduct [ http://ur1.ca/o1e9j ]Oct 15 21:23
schestowitzno free speech in debian?Oct 15 21:23
MinceRthey don't need anyOct 15 21:23
MinceRyou don't need to speak to do redcrap's bidding, after allOct 15 21:24
MinceRalso, SJWs are for censorship, not free speechOct 15 21:24
cubexyzthere pretty much is free speech on the internetOct 15 21:25
cubexyzat least, I can't think of many counter-examplesOct 15 21:25
cubexyzmaybe not China or North Korea thoughOct 15 21:25
cubexyzI'm more worried about systemd creeping up on meOct 15 21:28
schestowitzhttp://www.extremetech.com/computing/216361-vint-cerf-hundreds-of-researchers-call-on-fcc-to-mandate-open-source-router-firmwareOct 15 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.extremetech.com | Vint Cerf, hundreds of researchers, call on FCC to mandate open-source router firmware | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/o1ebs ]Oct 15 21:28
schestowitzcubexyz: no free speech hereOct 15 21:29
schestowitzin canada? maybe...Oct 15 21:29
schestowitzcan't think offhand of MAJOR censorshipOct 15 21:29
schestowitznot even under harperOct 15 21:29
schestowitzbut in europe?Oct 15 21:29
schestowitzHaOct 15 21:29
schestowitzFrance.... see their censorship policyOct 15 21:29
schestowitzUK... lotsOct 15 21:29
schestowitztechrights is now banned by EPOOct 15 21:29
cubexyzbanned?Oct 15 21:30
schestowitzcubexyz: I am forced into systemdOct 15 21:30
schestowitzit reminds me of windows when it startsOct 15 21:30
schestowitznothing onscreenOct 15 21:30
schestowitzuntil the x/wayland session startsOct 15 21:31
schestowitzall opaqueOct 15 21:31
cubexyzhttp://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_PageOct 15 21:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-without-systemd.org | Without Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/mvnix ]Oct 15 21:31
cubexyzI'm always checking that siteOct 15 21:31
cubexyzI've also stockpiled all the Fedoras up to version 14Oct 15 21:32
cubexyzI have slackware 12.1, various openbsd boxes...Oct 15 21:32
schestowitzthankfully we're a safe haven for free speechOct 15 21:33
schestowitzincluding unpleasant (to some) speechOct 15 21:33
MinceRcubexyz: SJWs are in cahoots with redcrap/cancerdOct 15 21:33
cubexyzAntiX and Q4OS are derived from Debian WheezyOct 15 21:33
cubexyzVector Linux should be OK as wellOct 15 21:33
cubexyzone should be able to avoid systemd with some careOct 15 21:34
cubexyzyes, things are still somewhat opaque due to closed source BIOSOct 15 21:34
cubexyzit is a pity about Redhat and Fedora, but I still run FC1 and a few older onesOct 15 21:35
cubexyzThe SysV world isn't dead by any meansOct 15 21:37
cubexyzthere's OpenIndianaOct 15 21:38
cubexyzI definitely hope slackware doesn't go systemd but if worst comes to worst, there's openbsdOct 15 21:41
cubexyzVolkerding is worried he might be _forced_ to go systemdOct 15 21:41
cubexyzyou might even say that Slackware has more in common with BSD than Linux (in some ways)Oct 15 21:43
cubexyzand I guess there's DevuanOct 15 21:44
cubexyzif you care about Unix Philosophy and Unix principles then you might have to go BSD, hopefully not but we will seeOct 15 21:45
cubexyzwhat it looks like is that Slackware will release 14.2 if they haven't already done soOct 15 21:47
cubexyzok, one more thing about AntiX...Oct 15 21:51
cubexyzAntiX will not be following Debian with the implmentation of systemd and so sysvinit to continue to be the default init systemOct 15 21:52
MinceRwhat will they do with the next distro release?Oct 15 21:52
cubexyzjust don't install Gnome 3 on AntiXOct 15 21:54
cubexyzhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/antix-linux/files/Oct 15 21:54
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cubexyzhttp://all-things-linux.blogspot.ca/2015/06/looking-for-alternatives-to-systemd.htmlOct 15 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-all-things-linux.blogspot.ca | Linux, BSD, and everything else...: Looking for Alternatives to Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/o1ema ]Oct 15 21:56
cubexyzfor old hardware, I still would say go OpenBSDOct 15 21:57
cubexyzslackware never used pam or pulseaudioOct 15 21:58
cubexyzanyways, all the usual choices are there... slackware derivatives, plus Void and some other onesOct 15 21:59
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TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 22:01
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o1eobOct 15 22:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 15 22:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Devices http://t.co/0LCJOURXelOct 15 22:02
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 22:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o1eofOct 15 22:02
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MinceR-rfOct 15 22:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/RrVTCIAAMUOct 15 23:10
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o1fj6Oct 15 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesOct 15 23:10
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cubexyzWindows 10 is not compatible with 2nd gen i3/i5/i7 processors with internal graphics - it causes many BSOD and various system problems after about 30-90 minutes usageOct 15 23:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mozilla Releases Firefox 41.0.2 Hotfix to Fix aOct 15 23:15
TweetTuxMachines                 High Impact Issue, Update NowOct 15 23:15
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/TJuF31RHFk (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 23:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o1fl4Oct 15 23:15
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Phone Users Will Receive an OTA-6 HotfixOct 15 23:15
TweetTuxMachines                 to Patch a Security VulnerabilityOct 15 23:15
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/lHvWMUaVXn (www.tuxmachines.org)Oct 15 23:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/o1fl7Oct 15 23:15
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MinceRfunOct 15 23:16
MinceRthen again, that sort of stuff is business as usual on winblowsOct 15 23:16
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494Oct 16 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The nasty company that uses large-breasted women to market its #censorship -happy 'products': "workforce diversity"? http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/10/14/diversity-transparency-and-sharing-data-at-godaddy-ghc15/Oct 16 01:52
schestowitz"…with a CEO fond of hunting endangered species."Oct 16 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> siliconangle.com | Diversity, transparency and sharing data at GoDaddy | #GHC15 | SiliconANGLE [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0b ]Oct 16 01:52
schestowitzIraqis?Oct 16 01:52
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6697205Oct 16 01:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Best Web Browsers for the Linux Desktop http://www.datamation.com/open-source/best-web-browsers-for-the-linux-desktop.html #gnu #linux #wwwOct 16 01:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.datamation.com | Best Web Browsers for the Linux Desktop - Datamation [ http://ur1.ca/o038j ]Oct 16 01:53
schestowitz"has happened to me on several occasions: comment state ambiguity"Oct 16 01:53
schestowitz"I use several browsers, too. I have a particularly slutty chrome for shopping, which I flush out after use, and for researching and socnetting I have iceweasel with all the bells and whistles (for privacy), and I check in to my snoopy and ancient Yahoo account currently with opera developer which is smooth, but a little hard to monitor for security… arora is good at spoofing explorer or safari if the need arises…"Oct 16 01:53
schestowitz[03:50] <cubexyz> rm Oct 16 01:53
schestowitz[03:54] <MinceR> -rfOct 16 01:53
schestowitz /:Oct 16 01:54
cubexyzok...Oct 16 02:01
cubexyzalias rm='rm -iv'Oct 16 02:01
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msb_schestowitz: "techrights is now banned by EPO"  Banned in what way?Oct 16 02:13
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schestowitzsite blockedOct 16 02:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654905933055836160   https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654906208290238464   https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654906413878153216Oct 16 02:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: RT'ing this because it shows in further detail just how corrupt the EPO is. As for MSFT, not endorsing vilification. https://t.co/IeyTkpJ12dOct 16 02:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody @FOSSpatents #microsoft and the #epo - two notoriously corrupt entities find common grounds http://t.co/aQJ2X3YGgsOct 16 02:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: Re. previous RT: @schestowitz and I don't have the same perspective on the current MSFT. We more or less agree re. the old MSFT under Gates.Oct 16 02:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: Unlike @schestowitz, who thinks MSFT has always been evil, I believe MSFT has gone from immoral to amoral. Almost all companies are amoral.Oct 16 02:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/654911695127748608Oct 16 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @Ipkat @schestowitz An English translation of this Dutch article about the suspended BoA member may be interesting: http://t.co/v3fWoLstNJOct 16 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fd.nl | Hoge medewerker saboteerde Europees octrooibureau | Het Financieele DagbladOct 16 02:52
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494Oct 16 02:56
schestowitz"Those, too."Oct 16 02:56
schestowitzhttp://www.businessinsider.com/godaddy-ceo-videotapes-himself-killing-an-elephant-2011-3Oct 16 02:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | GoDaddy CEO Videotapes Himself Killing An Elephant - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/o1iaz ]Oct 16 02:56
schestowitz"Grateful that I got out with the boycott and moved to a combination of NameCheap and selfhosting (with ArkOS years ago."Oct 16 02:56
schestowitzI inherited a domain from godaddy and quit them quickly... they're not a bad service, just immoral. I do the same when it comes to Walmart (ASDA in the UK). If only more did like me....Oct 16 02:57
msb_schestowitz: Where  is techrights blocked?  Within the EPO offices?  I can see it in California.Oct 16 02:59
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708494Oct 16 03:20
schestowitz"Oct 16 03:20
cubexyzha, that's naiveOct 16 03:20
schestowitzEven morality aside, the number of upsells / cross sells / promotions is just… extreme. It can take 10 minutes to check out an order for a simple domain renewal, and even then you have to be careful that you unselected all of the added-by-default extra (for pay) services like “business registration”.Oct 16 03:20
schestowitzNo other domain registrar I know makes things this slow and difficult.Oct 16 03:20
schestowitz"Oct 16 03:20
schestowitzmsb_: yes, in all EPO officesOct 16 03:20
cubexyzat best Microsoft is pretending to be amoralOct 16 03:20
cubexyzjust read some of those confidential emails and tell yourself Microsoft isn't evilOct 16 03:22
msb_schestowitz: That will probably insure that all personnel will read it at home!Oct 16 03:22
cubexyzM$ wants to make certain everyone continually pays them money without endOct 16 03:22
cubexyzthe end user is reduced in status to a plebeian who pays taxes but has no power at allOct 16 03:23
schestowitz"Oct 16 03:24
schestowitz"If you do not receive the invoice 1 week before the expiry date, please contact us to request the renewal."Oct 16 03:24
schestowitzCan you please confirm this will be done (less than a week left now)? :-)Oct 16 03:24
schestowitz"Your domain will be due for renewal in the next few weeks, please note you do not need to take any action at present. We will automatically raise the renewal invoice on your billing account a few days before and you will be emailed separately regarding this."Oct 16 03:24
schestowitzA renewal for 2 years (default) would be fine. thank you. :-)Oct 16 03:24
schestowitz"Oct 16 03:24
schestowitz[08:22] <msb_> schestowitz: That will probably insure that all personnel will read it at home!Oct 16 03:24
schestowitzor their mobile phones (on 3/4g, not wifi)Oct 16 03:25
schestowitz(at work)Oct 16 03:25
schestowitzwhich is exactly what this blocking has achieved, it's ineffectiveOct 16 03:25
cubexyzI have heard that dot.tk gives free domain namesOct 16 03:26
cubexyztechrights.tk wouldn't be too bad :)Oct 16 03:27
schestowitzcubexyz: ms paid hiOct 16 03:29
schestowitzhim=florianOct 16 03:29
schestowitzand they might pay again, so he plays it like a businessmanOct 16 03:29
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schestowitzcubexyz: yeah, but for how long?Oct 16 03:29
schestowitzone time tim from techbytes registered itOct 16 03:29
msb_schestowitz: https://web.archive.org/web/20110627205958/http://nodaddy.com/Oct 16 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | NoDaddy.Com - Exposing the Many Reasons Not to Trust GoDaddy with Your Domain Names [ http://ur1.ca/o1ip9 ]Oct 16 03:29
schestowitzpeople needn't get accustomed to accessing this wayOct 16 03:29
schestowitzin case you stop the domain entryOct 16 03:30
schestowitzI have techrights dot COMOct 16 03:30
cubexyzthey say you can have unlimited renewalsOct 16 03:30
schestowitzbut it links to same IPOct 16 03:30
schestowitzhence the filters will pick it up at EPOOct 16 03:30
schestowitzand they can always had more domains/aliasesOct 16 03:30
schestowitzit's not that simpleOct 16 03:30
cubexyzpiratebay does the same thingOct 16 03:30
schestowitzTHAT SAID...Oct 16 03:30
schestowitzI saw internally...Oct 16 03:30
cubexyzthey have many domains :)Oct 16 03:30
schestowitzThat some access the site via GOOGLE CACHEOct 16 03:30
schestowitzwhich makes me appreciative of GoogleOct 16 03:30
schestowitzI also salvaged some deleted pages for people from Google CacheOct 16 03:31
schestowitzit also also be used for badOct 16 03:31
schestowitzwhen one tries to hide somethingOct 16 03:31
schestowitzor changes text to brush something outOct 16 03:31
cubexyzI'm going to grab cubeman.tk while I can, may as wellOct 16 03:31
schestowitzif the Google cache isn't too old, or not just taken (snapshot)Oct 16 03:31
schestowitzalso .tk domain would probably just link to another domainOct 16 03:32
schestowitzand not serve as an aliasOct 16 03:32
schestowitzit's funny that people would use TK to circumvent censorshipOct 16 03:32
cubexyzI think it just links to a numeric ipOct 16 03:32
schestowitzI mean, come on, TK?Oct 16 03:32
schestowitz!google turkey censorshipOct 16 03:32
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Censorship in Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_TurkeyOct 16 03:32
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Internet censorship in Turkey | Internet Policy Review | http://policyreview.info/articles/analysis/internet-censorship-turkeyOct 16 03:32
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - 10 Facts About Censorship In Turkey - Business Insider | http://www.businessinsider.com/10-facts-about-censorship-in-turkey-2014-3Oct 16 03:32
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Internet censorship reaching dangerous levels in Turkey | http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_internet-censorship-reaching-dangerous-levels-in-turkey_393727.htmlOct 16 03:32
schestowitzwe once thought about taking techrights.caOct 16 03:33
schestowitzbut what purpose for?Oct 16 03:33
schestowitzAt the time, domains were up for the picking by censorsOct 16 03:33
schestowitzand a CA suffix was seen as saferOct 16 03:33
schestowitz.org and .com are USOct 16 03:33
cubexyzah I seeOct 16 03:33
schestowitzand the US has more power over them, legallyOct 16 03:33
schestowitzHarper doesn't seem any saferOct 16 03:33
schestowitznor ToriesOct 16 03:34
schestowitzTories...Oct 16 03:34
schestowitzCameronOct 16 03:34
schestowitzso co.uk not much safer, eitherOct 16 03:34
schestowitzat least .org makes it clear it's not some businessOct 16 03:34
cubexyza business can have org if it wantsOct 16 03:34
cubexyzI think they dropped that a while agoOct 16 03:34
schestowitzyeah, but what for?Oct 16 03:34
schestowitzlike vanity platesOct 16 03:35
cubexyzdifferent nameservers, could be saferOct 16 03:35
cubexyzif one nameserver stops working, your other domain is probably still OKOct 16 03:35
cubexyzok, cubeman.tk is working :)Oct 16 03:36
cubexyzit appears that tk uses nameservers based in the NetherlandsOct 16 03:37
schestowitzso if you give people this address, you need to keep it foreverOct 16 03:44
schestowitzhttp://openbytes.tkOct 16 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openbytes.tk | openbytes.tkOct 16 03:44
schestowitzsee what happened there?Oct 16 03:45
schestowitzUsed to link to TIm's blogOct 16 03:45
schestowitznow wants to run some JS on my PC (I block it)Oct 16 03:45
cubexyzjust use virtual hostsOct 16 03:46
cubexyzset the document root to whatever you wantOct 16 03:46
cubexyze.g.Oct 16 03:47
cubexyz<VirtualHost *:80> ServerName www.cubeman.tk ServerAlias cubeman.tk DocumentRoot /var/www/maxhost/cubeman </VirtualHost>Oct 16 03:47
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cubexyzsome folks like owning com, net and orgOct 16 03:52
cubexyzI was offered cubeman.com but I didn't botherOct 16 03:53
cubexyzhttp://openbytes.tk took me to a survey :-/Oct 16 04:01
cubexyzah, ok... you mentioned that Oct 16 04:01
cubexyzyeah, you've have to renew it but renewals are freeOct 16 04:02
schestowitzfor now...Oct 16 04:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/meneer/status/654935383055147008Oct 16 04:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@meneer: @schestowitz I would love to try, but today my time is too limited :-/Oct 16 04:24
schestowitzNo urgency, I just want to publish it in English in Techrights to help support the staff in Holland... giving them a voiceOct 16 04:24
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6708459Oct 16 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-upgrade-nags-become-more-aggressive-offer-no-opt-out/ #vista10 dirty tricks http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_LogOct 16 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Windows 10 upgrade nags become more aggressive, offer no opt-out | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/o1d0o ]Oct 16 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]Oct 16 04:51
schestowitz"Not crap, its spyware. They need as much as possible spy-bots in every home. Worldwar 3 is coming."Oct 16 04:51
schestowitzPC botnet/zombie apocalypseOct 16 04:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/654942730926301184Oct 16 04:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz I am in there as well.Oct 16 04:55
schestowitzI think I will root my BT routers (I have 4)... just for the sake of it...Oct 16 04:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/654943349766418440Oct 16 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz my father said that once. I offered to share his email and passwords of his biz, publicly on the net. Changed his tune quickly.Oct 16 04:56
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6709718Oct 16 05:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Whoever leaked the #drone documents may deserve a Nobel prize (for peace). Helps defend claims of whistleblowers like https://twitter.com/backavarOct 16 05:04
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msb_"Whoever leaked the #drone documents may deserve a Nobel prize (for peace)."  Too late.  The prize was already given to the guy who's _using_ the drones to murder dozens of people at a time in apartment blocks, wedding parties, hospitals, etc.Oct 16 06:26
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schestowitz> Hi Roy,Oct 16 07:34
schestowitz>Oct 16 07:34
schestowitz>  Oct 16 07:34
schestowitz>Oct 16 07:34
schestowitz> It’s ,.... is putting together the article for publication this afternoon, so any help with the original PDF would be appreciated.Oct 16 07:34
schestowitz>Oct 16 07:34
schestowitz>  Oct 16 07:34
schestowitz>Oct 16 07:34
schestowitz> Regards,Oct 16 07:34
schestowitzHi,Oct 16 07:34
schestowitzThanks for deciding to highlight this issue (we share a common pain here). Here is the PDF for your eyes only, not for publication (so as to protect the source). Let me know if there's anything else you need.Oct 16 07:34
schestowitzBest regards,Oct 16 07:34
schestowitzRoyOct 16 07:34
schestowitz msb_not the latest such prizeOct 16 07:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654983358074724352  https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654983767635959808Oct 16 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz It's an age old stigma....but agree the Troll hysteria impacted. I support vast majority of misunderstood NPE activity 1/2Oct 16 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz Have you noticed who are throwing brickbats at lawyers acting for NPES? Some NPEs were once SMEs with potential until they diedOct 16 07:35
schestowitzNot the big NPEs which I know ofOct 16 07:35
schestowitz Think Acacia, Int. Ven., MOSAID, Ray Niro, Erich S. and so onOct 16 07:36
schestowitz> Thanks Roy! This is incredible stuff and proves what we knew--the EPOOct 16 07:39
schestowitz> has a cosy relationship with Microsoft. I spoke with my edifor and heOct 16 07:39
schestowitz> said we'd rather do a bit more digging into the issue first beforeOct 16 07:39
schestowitz> publishing something on it.Oct 16 07:39
schestowitz> Oct 16 07:39
schestowitz> Today, the EPO directed us to a comminique from the AC that it will notOct 16 07:39
schestowitz> overried article 23 of the EPC in dismissing a member of the EBA. TheyOct 16 07:39
schestowitz> still think the member should be dismissed. Story should be up shortlyOct 16 07:39
schestowitz> and I will send you a link.Oct 16 07:39
schestowitzThank you, I will help circulate the finding when it's published (give me a headsup). IAM is going to write about it this afternoon (I just send them some docs)...Oct 16 07:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654984467568807937   https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654984726072205312  https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985178448855041Oct 16 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz The ones who have been fed by the PAEs who now complain about NPEs? Hypocrisy does not even come close. It's a broad church 1/2Oct 16 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz But for many reasons I am pro NPE but very anti bottom feeding Troll. Problem is there are 101 agendas in what should be simpleOct 16 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz All the same yet so different. The biggest "Patent Troll" is now a University apparently. Don't you see how pointless this is?Oct 16 07:41
schestowitzI am against transfers of patents (sales). They shouldn't be viewed as tangible or property.Oct 16 07:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985602257936384Oct 16 07:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz It's a debate about global weather from a town perspective. Largely pointless and futile. There will always be differences.Oct 16 07:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654985868588003328Oct 16 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz We should not react to the external forces but simply focus on core values and get back to basics on purpose of patent system.Oct 16 07:44
schestowitzClearly, as we both appear to agree, the EPO got things wrong, in numerous ways, except mistreatment of staffOct 16 07:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654986405848985600Oct 16 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz 180 degrees. The No 1 issue is liquidity of IP and reward for creation. If have no right to transfer/ability to use why bother?Oct 16 07:45
schestowitzCan assert is for defensive purposes while still having the potential to bring value to market, not just destroyOct 16 07:46
schestowitz Can assert it for defensive purposes while still having the potential to bring value to market, not just destroyOct 16 07:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654986684287852544Oct 16 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz From this perspective individual creativity and reward is dead ergo no innovation. Plays into hands of status quoOct 16 07:46
schestowitzpeople innovate even without patents (see Free software movement), like musicians are creative irrespective of (C)/$Oct 16 07:47
schestowitz> As discussed on Twitter can you send me the PDF of the Grant Philpott email as I’d like to link to it in the report I am putting together.Oct 16 08:04
schestowitzHere is the PDF (please don't publish, for your eyes only), in case of meta/watermarking that jeopardises the source...Oct 16 08:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654993323988537345Oct 16 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz This is key not all creation and innovation sits in same box. U2 did not file patents to protect The Joshua Tree.Oct 16 08:14
schestowitzDepends on domains too. Patents, copyright , TM separate. Same situation/breakdown for different domains, e.g. softwareOct 16 08:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654993845567037440Oct 16 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz They did not have too. How do you secure reward for a cure for cancer?Oct 16 08:16
schestowitzI am against software patents (primarily), I am not against patents as a wholeOct 16 08:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/654994967790755840Oct 16 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz I have concerns about software patents.......but also inability of system to effectively reward software innovation. Difficult.Oct 16 08:23
schestowitzCopyrights do this, and they're cheap ($0)Oct 16 08:24
schestowitzThe notion of "software innovation" often thrown around by people who never wrote a computer program. No breakthroughs, math.Oct 16 08:25
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/RFsCMC3.jpgOct 16 08:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TechJournalist/status/655002055053090816   https://twitter.com/emorisse/status/655002310553247744  https://twitter.com/TechJournalist/status/655002537536393216Oct 16 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TechJournalist: @schestowitz actual press release doesn’t put the @ansible deal at $100M - (so don’t believe everything you read) http://t.co/9OKLwDSqR4Oct 16 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.redhat.com | Red Hat to Acquire IT Automation and DevOps Leader Ansible | Red HatOct 16 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emorisse: @TechJournalist @schestowitz if you’re interested in the thinking behind @redhatnews acquisition of @ansible http://t.co/ERQvChXtUEOct 16 09:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TechJournalist: @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible umm no. Given that nearly every @RedHatNews user i know uses Puppet / makes little sense.Oct 16 09:08
schestowitzOur clients use puppet on debianOct 16 09:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/655004933192830976   https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/655005214894903296Oct 16 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz I missread your tweet, I thought you were linking KDE moving to logind to some RH pressure. 1/2Oct 16 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Oh and BTW, suse and canonical are also funding systemd development, they both have employees working on the code…Oct 16 09:09
schestowitzyes, but fewerOct 16 09:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/655006911650242560Oct 16 09:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: IPKat: EPO Admin Council says no to Battistelli & yes to the rule of law http://t.co/QwDvgcX6et good headline by @Ipkat cc: @schestowitzOct 16 09:10
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schestowitzWIPR and IAM to have EPO articles this afternoonOct 16 09:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/sparkycollier/status/655007728411111424Oct 16 09:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sparkycollier: @TechJournalist @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews fwiw I've talked to a lot of Openstack users who love Ansible in the mix.Oct 16 09:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/emorisse/status/655007951984447488Oct 16 09:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emorisse: @sparkycollier @TechJournalist @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews I’m glad to hear it! We’re excited!Oct 16 09:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/robynbergeron/status/655008672729272320Oct 16 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@robynbergeron: @sparkycollier @TechJournalist @emorisse @schestowitz @ansible @RedHatNews http://t.co/x9TOTtZUVi is just a preview :)Oct 16 09:16
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schestowitzI'm just trying to understand what's >really< happeningOct 16 09:16
schestowitz<p><span class="pullQuote" style="width:200px">""</span>Oct 16 09:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/sparkycollier/status/655009882983165952Oct 16 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sparkycollier: @schestowitz @robynbergeron @TechJournalist @emorisse @ansible @RedHatNews I don't claim to know that :)Oct 16 09:21
schestowitzI am >HAPPY< that Ansible >officially< nets Red Hat's umbrella, but $100m figure is BSOct 16 09:22
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schestowitzhttp://www.iam-media.com/blog/Detail.aspx?g=0b8ffc2c-3a2a-49d7-ac0f-2d94d4a23ffdOct 16 10:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Pilot project with Microsoft and other big filers will directly help SMEs, not hinder them, says EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for BusinessOct 16 10:42
schestowitz"The memo was originally published on the TechDirt website run by Dr Roy Schestowitz – a long-time and highly vocal critic of the EPO, and a campaigner against software patents. He claimed it showed the EPO “is tossing aside patent applications of small European companies and instead researching, under pressure and in a rush (hence unlikely to find adequate prior art) for large foreign corporations”. Schestowitz subsequently published Oct 16 10:42
schestowitza further memo, this time from Grant Philpott (no relation to Jeremy), principal director of the office’s main information and communication technology area, which talks of the “closer cooperation” with Microsoft."Oct 16 10:42
schestowitztechDirt?Oct 16 10:42
schestowitzPJ made this mistake tooOct 16 10:42
schestowitzcalling techrights techdirtOct 16 10:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/6550300699377541127Oct 16 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID.Oct 16 10:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/655030069937754112Oct 16 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @FOSSpatents @TangibleIP_ @schestowitz FYI ... http://t.co/kRYJxuWTmnOct 16 10:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655038528557051904   https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655038817561350144  https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655039051918155777  https://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655039900518100992Oct 16 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz Not that reassuring for smaller corporate filers with in-house attorneys or small advisor firms. 1/2Oct 16 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz I think it's time for serious analytics and transparency. At the USPTO I can check performance. 2/2Oct 16 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz It's all very well making a formal complaint but many are recticent to do so for obviosu reasons.Oct 16 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz I doubt Microsoft was threatening to use KIPO on quality basis. They want speed just like SMEs.Oct 16 11:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655039541804474368Oct 16 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz The observations on competition are interesting. Quality is not the issue....its quantity. 1/2Oct 16 11:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655040962511642625Oct 16 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents @schestowitz One more point on this topic. Microsoft should be encoiraged to use USPTO for PCT and not swamp EPOOct 16 11:22
schestowitzI will quote you on that laterOct 16 11:22
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/655052604007960576Oct 16 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Who do you include under "they"?Oct 16 12:09
schestowitzEPO suitsOct 16 12:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/655052618029473792Oct 16 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @schestowitz @IAM_magazine @FOSSpatents Let's be fair about this. It's not just Microsoft.Oct 16 12:09
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schestowitzI am in the process of preparing a third (for today) article about the EPO. You can find all those articles in the front page of the blog once I finish that last (longer) article...Oct 16 12:30
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lirodonPC does WHAAAAT? is the dumbest thing I've ever seenOct 16 12:46
schestowitzPC?Oct 16 13:55
schestowitzPersonal Computer?Oct 16 13:56
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msb_https://plus.google.com/+otakarschon/posts  Translation from Czech:  Intel, Microsoft and computer manufacturers launches campaign "PC knows what?" Why?Oct 16 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | Otakar Schön - Google+Oct 16 14:07
msb_But the picture says "PC DOES WHAAAT?!Oct 16 14:09
msb_http://tech.ihned.cz/pocitace/c1-64752760-pc-dokaze-co-reklamni-kampan-pc-prumyslu-co-je-s-pc-spatneOct 16 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.ihned.cz | Intel, Microsoft a vrobci pota spout zoufalou prodejn kampa [ http://ur1.ca/o1rby ]Oct 16 14:12
msb_https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cs&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftech.ihned.cz%2Fpocitace%2Fc1-64752760-pc-dokaze-co-reklamni-kampan-pc-prumyslu-co-je-s-pc-spatne&edit-text=Oct 16 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [ http://ur1.ca/o1rdm ]Oct 16 14:14
msb_The largest manufacturer of processors, operating system manufacturer and the three largest computer makers put into the common pot $ 70 million on an advertising campaign to revive weak sales of personal computers.  Intel, Microsoft, Lenovo, HP and Dell have come together to convince the owners of computers over four years to purchase new hardware with Windows 10. As the main motto of the campaign "PC can COOO?" (PC Does Whaat?) Oct 16 14:17
lirodonhttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/pc-industry-takes-on-apple-with-cringing-pc-does-what-ad-campaign/ Even Ars thinks its stupid.Oct 16 14:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Cringe-worthy “PC Does What?” campaign wants you to upgrade | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/o1ncg ]Oct 16 14:18
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msb_The answer to "PC Does Whaat?" is that a PC with Windows 10 will sell your ass to Microsoft and other greedy megacorporations.Oct 16 14:24
schestowitzMehOct 16 14:29
schestowitzwaste of time to cover as it would only help MSFTOct 16 14:30
schestowitzvery stupid slogan and marketing strategyOct 16 14:30
schestowitznot many people woould notice, it's like those Vista 7 launch partiesOct 16 14:30
schestowitzwhich became an epic fail and widely ridiculedOct 16 14:30
msb_But it's really a good thing because every time someone spends money on a new computer, and then feels ripped off when they see how crappy windows 10 is, that's when we can tell them about absolutely free Linux.  Oct 16 14:31
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MinceRwell, pc does many things unless it's turned into a dumb appliance via Restricted BootOct 16 14:51
MinceRthey shouldn't have fucked it up if they don't like them not selling wellOct 16 14:51
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schestowitz>Oct 16 15:23
schestowitz> http://www.iam-media.com/blog/Detail.aspx?g=0b8ffc2c-3a2a-49d7-ac0f-2d94d4a23ffdOct 16 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Pilot project with Microsoft and other big filers will directly help SMEs, not hinder them, says EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for BusinessOct 16 15:23
schestowitzYes, they respond to me (damage control) and today I responded to them again. More coming, stay tuned...Oct 16 15:23
schestowitz> http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1968-we-trade-pictures-your-junk-8-realities-inside-tsa.htmlOct 16 15:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cracked.com | 8 Things You Don't (Want To) Know About TSA Checkpoints | Cracked.com [ http://ur1.ca/o1sfr ]Oct 16 15:28
schestowitz>Oct 16 15:28
schestowitz> #4Oct 16 15:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/655101979870367744Oct 16 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The goal is totalitarian corporate feudalism. Mankind is entering a dark, greed driven, dog eat dog era http://t.co/dV453sr0w5Oct 16 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The goal is totalitarian corporate feudalism. Mankind is entering a dark, greed driven, dog eat dog era http://t.co/dV453sr0w5Oct 16 15:29
MinceRhttps://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12112385_10153681069647630_4820458252820847684_n.jpg?oh=7a8ad7129dd9098d92ad69803726f5e9&oe=568AC22COct 16 15:49
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MinceRhttps://imgur.com/GyFiayJOct 16 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Scientists discover miraculous way to stop Cyber-Bullying - ImgurOct 16 16:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/655113104540340224Oct 16 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz They are not stupid, and know who to believe. The intended audience I'd not the staff.Oct 16 16:10
schestowitzWell, some Dutch media is evidently gullible enough http://techrights.org/2015/10/16/crushing-dissent-at-epo/Oct 16 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The ‘Sherlocks’ of EPO/Spin-Doctoring Pretend That All of the EPO’s Problems Boil Down to One Disgruntled Person (Updated) | TechrightsOct 16 16:11
schestowitzor... complicitOct 16 16:11
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r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6711813Oct 16 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Lenovo takes a stand against Microsoft Surface as other OEMs begrudgingly sell it http://www.pcworld.com/article/2993846/computers/lenovo-takes-a-stand-against-microsoft-surface-as-other-oems-begrudgingly-sell-it.html piece of garbage, money in binOct 16 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | Lenovo takes a stand against Microsoft Surface as other OEMs begrudgingly sell it | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/o1tb5 ]Oct 16 16:35
r_schestowitz"Oct 16 16:35
r_schestowitz    The story behind the story: In the past, vendors like Lenovo and Dell politely dismissed Microsoft’s Surface devices as uncompetitive, and in some cases even praised them as helping strengthen the PC market. While they continue to put on brave faces publicly, reports are emerging of behind-the-scenes hostility as the Surface Pro line gains sales traction and the Surface Book takes direct aim at traditional laptops.Oct 16 16:35
r_schestowitz:DOct 16 16:35
r_schestowitzFuck you, Microsoft. Go fuck yourself :DOct 16 16:35
r_schestowitz"Oct 16 16:35
r_schestowitzHope they go bankrupt in the coming years...Oct 16 16:35
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cubexyzI bet the OEMs are really tired of dealing with MicrosoftOct 16 18:08
cubexyzpart of the anti-trust settlement was a proposal to allow PC manufacturers to adopt non-Microsoft softwareOct 16 18:11
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cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-expired.gifOct 17 00:05
msb_cubexyz: ROFL!Oct 17 00:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Wants You to Design Your Own UbuntuOct 17 04:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GSA goes open source for its integratedOct 17 04:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the DekkoOct 17 04:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Youtube-DL A Command-Line & GUI Youtube,Oct 17 06:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Releases OTA-7 Update for UbuntuOct 17 06:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Robolinux 8.2 Is Based on Debian 8.2, RunsOct 17 06:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Coming soon: modular Android watches and phonesOct 17 07:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenStack and Servers http://t.co/Jfbw1MKcReOct 17 07:51
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gde33http://www.bioinitiative.org/table-of-contents/ skyvisionsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/health-argument-for-replacing-wireless-smart-meters-in-maryland.pdf http://smartgridawareness.org/2014/04/20/the-health-argument-against-wireless-smart-meters/Oct 17 07:55
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gde33http://skyvisionsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/health-argument-for-replacing-wireless-smart-meters-in-maryland.pdfOct 17 07:56
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r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6711817Oct 17 08:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This article has been corrected to say I'm from #techrights and not from #techdirt http://www.iam-media.com/blog/Detail.aspx?g=0b8ffc2c-3a2a-49d7-ac0f-2d94d4a23ffdOct 17 08:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.iam-media.com | Pilot project with Microsoft and other big filers will directly help SMEs, not hinder them, says EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for BusinessOct 17 08:27
r_schestowitz"Oct 17 08:27
r_schestowitzMention to discredit is not much of a favor. They probably do it to knock down the Google rankings of your articles. Microsoft toads will linkfarm it.Oct 17 08:27
r_schestowitzAnother trick is to use similar language. The Slashdot “Vista Failure Log” was top of the search returns for “Vista Failure” until someone published an article titled “Vista’s 11 Pillars of Failure” and several Microsoft press copycats followed.Oct 17 08:27
r_schestowitz"Oct 17 08:27
r_schestowitzInteresting premiseOct 17 08:27
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/655359727396868096Oct 17 08:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Ours are just more subtle and insidious.Oct 17 08:29
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6712152Oct 17 08:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5 must-have open source apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux http://www.itworld.com/article/2994023/open-source-tools/5-must-have-open-source-apps-for-windows-mac-and-linux.html#slide1 #freeswOct 17 08:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com | 5 must-have open source apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/o26zc ]Oct 17 08:30
r_schestowitz"Seriously?! Chrome?!!!"Oct 17 08:30
r_schestowitzNot FOSSOct 17 08:30
cubexyza lot of articles have little substanceOct 17 08:31
cubexyzbut I'm impressed with the negative comments on Microsoft's own forums... really tells the story of what people thinkOct 17 08:32
cubexyzI can remember some people even saying win2k was the 'best' version of windowsOct 17 08:34
cubexyzI'd say the astro-turing is getting drowned out by real grass-roots bitching :)Oct 17 08:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Delays with ubuntu convergenceOct 17 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Wants You to Design Your Own UbuntuOct 17 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve puling Linux games from Steam that failOct 17 08:37
TweetTuxMachines                 to meet SteamOS standards - reportOct 17 08:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcvuk.com | Valve puling Linux games from Steam that fail to meet SteamOS standards - report | Games industry news | MCVOct 17 08:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Updated withOct 17 08:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.18, KDE Apps 15.08.2 and Linux KernelOct 17 08:43
TweetTuxMachines                 4.2.3 Land in openSUSE TumbleweedOct 17 08:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME 3.18, KDE Apps 15.08.2 and Linux Kernel 4.2.3 Land in openSUSE Tumbleweed - SoftpediaOct 17 08:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.18.1 released http://t.co/yAAiGDz7prOct 17 08:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME 3.18.1 releasedOct 17 08:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     17 wild uses for your old Android smartphoneOct 17 08:49
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TweetTuxMachines@UbuntuTopNews   Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the DekkoOct 17 08:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS to Include the DekkoOct 17 08:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mutter Window Manager for GNOME 3.18.1 HasOct 17 08:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Learn to embrace open source, or get buriedOct 17 08:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.18.1 released http://t.co/ddRWHiXDJIOct 17 08:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     17 wild uses for your old Android smartphoneOct 17 12:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 17 wild uses for your old Android smartphone | Tux MachinesOct 17 12:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LibreOffice Is Working On Redoing Their ToolbarOct 17 12:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Why hardware needs to go open sourceOct 17 15:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Facing Account AuthenticationOct 17 15:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Issues, Could Offer Feedback OptionOct 17 15:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The state of KDE: Pretty but unstableOct 17 22:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The state of KDE: Pretty but unstable | Tux MachinesOct 17 22:00
cubexyzhttp://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/2015/10/internet-biase-against-older-computers.htmlOct 17 22:46
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MinceRthe "modern" web is biased against sanityOct 17 23:06
msb_cubexyz: Does wikipedia require https?  Can you just use http?Oct 17 23:52
cubexyzno, if you use a browser that can't use SSL you get nothing at allOct 17 23:52
msb_Wow, that's right.  I thought it was because I was using HTTPS Everywhere, but I just tried it with lynx and it switched from http to https.  Why should it do that?Oct 17 23:59
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msb_cubexyz: "hardly anyone seems to be able to function on a computer without windows, it's sad"  That's not the problem.  People (except you) want _fast_ computers so they can watch highly-compressed videos, and do video editing and play action games.  These activities, and others like fast compiles, fast switching between virtual desktops, and good speed with interpreted languages like Ruby, REQUIRE A FAST COMPUTER, whether it's running Oct 11 01:01
msb_Linux or Windows.Oct 11 01:01
msb_cubexyz: People also want large displays, which are easier on the eyes, and more entertaining when watching movies, and more functional when editing text or source code because you can view two or three documents on the screen side by side at the same time.  Big screens with lots of pixels require a FAST COMPUTER to calculate all those pixels when watching a highly-compressed video or playing an action game.Oct 11 01:08
cubexyzmsb_, you're so fixated on watching videosOct 11 01:09
cubexyzI almost never bother doing thatOct 11 01:09
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cubexyzI can assure you there's lots of people who don't use their computers to edit videoOct 11 01:10
cubexyzthey do online banking, write emails, some people programOct 11 01:10
cubexyzI watched all the stuff you sent me (most of it at least) on my P3Oct 11 01:11
msb_cubexyz: "fixated" "bother" are propaganda words the way you're using them here.  The vast majority of people enjoy watching movies and other videos like ones about drug companies, political goings-on, etc.Oct 11 01:11
cubexyzyou are fixated :)Oct 11 01:12
cubexyzyou endless blather on about itOct 11 01:12
cubexyzI had far older computers that could watch CDI's onOct 11 01:13
cubexyzI think Tivos had a 486 class CPUOct 11 01:13
cubexyzbut with special video chipsOct 11 01:13
cubexyzI think people waste a lot of time watching youtube and TVOct 11 01:14
cubexyzwhat is that quote... "poor people have big TVs and rich peopel have big libraries"Oct 11 01:14
msb_Most people probably don't edit videos.  But _many_ play action computer games.  And _most_ watch movies and other videos, and they like big displays with lots of sharp detail.Oct 11 01:15
cubexyzwell I haven't seen an statistics so any comment on my part would be just speculationOct 11 01:16
cubexyzs/an/any/Oct 11 01:16
cubexyzI don't play games muchOct 11 01:17
msb_cubexyz: "fixated"  "blather" "I think people waste a lot of time watching youtube and TV"  You think everyone should be like you and have your likes and dislikes.  Well, they aren't, and it's not going to happen.  Oct 11 01:18
cubexyzTV is a utter waste of timeOct 11 01:18
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msb_"I don't play games much"  What is the purpose of our discussion here?  To find good computer solutions for YOU, or to find them for EVERYONE?  I think it's to help everyone.Oct 11 01:19
cubexyzif you had a kid, a teenager, and he/she played games all the time and watched a lot of TV and was failing in school what would you say then?Oct 11 01:20
cubexyzI don't think you would like thatOct 11 01:20
cubexyzpeople watching game shows promoting consumerism?Oct 11 01:21
cubexyzit's just sadOct 11 01:21
msb_That's a Red Herring propaganda ploy.  Many people play games, and watch certain things on TV that they specifically like, in moderation. Oct 11 01:22
cubexyzso no thanksOct 11 01:22
cubexyzI'd love to look at some statistics on thatOct 11 01:23
msb_So what are you trying to do?  Foist computers on people that will be incapable of giving them the things they enjoy, so they will be forced into your monastic existence?Oct 11 01:23
cubexyzI'd say people are watching more TV now than in the pastOct 11 01:23
cubexyzno, the customer tells me what they want :)Oct 11 01:24
cubexyzI merely make suggestionsOct 11 01:24
cubexyzI did warn people not to use windows 10 thoughOct 11 01:25
msb_Is that a "yes" answer to my question?  Are you trying to reduce people's computer capabilities in order to force them into your life-style?Oct 11 01:25
cubexyzI can't force people to do anything, I assure youOct 11 01:25
cubexyzI'm trying to get FOSS BIOS going actuallyOct 11 01:26
cubexyzI have nothing against new computers except for secure boot/intel boot guard, and things of that natureOct 11 01:26
msb_If people buy new fast computers because they want Windows 10, that's a good thing, because when they find out how bad 10 is, we can tell them about Linux, and they'll have a good fast machine to run it on,Oct 11 01:27
cubexyzand currently network television is bad bad badOct 11 01:27
cubexyzyou know it's bad :)Oct 11 01:27
cubexyzthey don't even like windows 10, that's what I've been hearing latelyOct 11 01:28
cubexyzwell, people usually call me when they're having a problemOct 11 01:28
cubexyzso I fix the problem... if they feel like hearing my philosophic observations on stuff then I'll tell them what I thinkOct 11 01:29
cubexyzotherwise it's problem fixed, paid, byeOct 11 01:29
cubexyzit's mostly in here that I ramble on about stuff because they tend to be more receptive Oct 11 01:30
msb_"Madame Secretary" is good.  "Marvel's Agents of SHIELD" is good.  "Castle" is good.  "Limitless" is good.  These are all current network TV series.Oct 11 01:30
cubexyzthey do ask me on occassionOct 11 01:30
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cubexyzno one asks me about TV thoughOct 11 01:31
msb_You don't try to convert them all to Linux?Oct 11 01:31
cubexyzwell what I do is point out the alternatives like Linux/BSD/ChromeOSOct 11 01:31
cubexyza few have actually listened and bought machines with those OSes from meOct 11 01:32
cubexyzno not necessarily LinuxOct 11 01:32
cubexyzsometimes they buy Linux without realizing it, ironically enoughOct 11 01:33
cubexyzsometimes I talk about repairabilityOct 11 01:33
cubexyzI've fixed a few HDTVs :)Oct 11 01:33
cubexyzso you see, I'm not totally against TVOct 11 01:34
cubexyzSony Bravia TVs are basically Linux computersOct 11 01:34
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cubexyzI should say no one asks me which TV programs I watch, beyond the fact I'm interested in Sci-FIOct 11 01:35
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cubexyzbut if I watch ABC or CBS and see 8 or 9 commercials in a row, that's it, I'm doneOct 11 01:35
cubexyzI have a PVR (which I'm not completely happy with) so I can on the few occasions where I do watch TV, fast-forward through any commercialsOct 11 01:36
cubexyzbut it's like 35% to 40% commercials nowOct 11 01:36
cubexyzI can live without itOct 11 01:37
cubexyzI think I mentioned the Microsoft ads on Elementary alreadyOct 11 01:38
cubexyzmonastic life is surely an exaggeration :)Oct 11 01:38
cubexyzI'd rather read books on Gutenberg than watch TV Oct 11 01:39
cubexyza real monk wouldn't fix TVs I don't thinkOct 11 01:39
msb_The shows I watch are no more than about 30%, and I record them from cable-TV and then skip past the commercials.  I also remove those obnoxious channel logos from the lower right corner, using an mplayer feature and some scripts I wrote.Oct 11 01:42
cubexyzI once saw an ad take up a good 25% of the lower screen during the programOct 11 01:43
cubexyzit just gets worse and worse each yearOct 11 01:43
cubexyzit's better to wait for the DVD/Bluray and rip it to the computerOct 11 01:43
cubexyzBell and Rogers have a duopoly in Canada, and it's not a good thingOct 11 01:44
cubexyzI imagine the United States is similarOct 11 01:44
cubexyzthe PVR from Bell must be the most blacked-boxed device I've ever seenOct 11 01:46
cubexyzvideos are encrypted and non-transferableOct 11 01:47
msb_"Elementary" will be back next month -- great!  Did you refuse to watch it because it had Microshit ads?Oct 11 01:47
cubexyzno, I just complain about it :)Oct 11 01:47
cubexyzsometimes I read when on the exercise bike as I'm a bit worried I'm sitting too muchOct 11 01:48
msb_Not all good shows come out on DVD.Oct 11 01:49
cubexyzthey put "My Mother the Car" on DVD, they don't seem to be too choosey :)Oct 11 01:49
cubexyzyoutube as a 240p mode for us techno-minimalistsOct 11 01:51
msb_I'm told one can even find highly compressed high resolution copies of TV shows, with the commercials removed, on file-sharing cites.  Maybe on the Dark Web, along with the Kitty Porn.Oct 11 01:51
msb_cites -> sitesOct 11 01:51
cubexyzyes, I downloaded a few Elementary episodes like thatOct 11 01:52
msb_360p minimal for me.Oct 11 01:52
msb_youtube-dl allows you to select the rez that you want.Oct 11 01:53
msb_-F lists them and -f select one.Oct 11 01:53
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msb_selectsOct 11 01:53
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msb_Some very old (and funky) scifi movies can be found whole on youtube.Oct 11 01:54
cubexyzSony wasn't helpful at all when I asked them about replacement TV partsOct 11 01:55
cubexyzI still managed to source the parts thoughOct 11 01:55
msb_I loved it when North Korea stole their movie!  (If it did.)Oct 11 01:56
cubexyzit's the parts cross-reference info that's the real goldOct 11 01:56
cubexyzthey don't want you to know that stuffOct 11 01:56
cubexyzI know one guy who puts me to shame...Oct 11 01:57
cubexyzhe only uses a human-powered lawnmower :)Oct 11 01:57
cubexyzdoesn't even own a TVOct 11 01:57
cubexyzbut that kind of person is very rareOct 11 01:58
cubexyzhe lived during the Great Depression, so he's programmed himself to be very frugalOct 11 01:58
msb_And rides a horse to work.Oct 11 01:58
cubexyzno, he owns a car but...Oct 11 01:58
cubexyzit doesn't have radio :)Oct 11 01:59
msb_Runs a version of Unix so old it doesn't even have files.Oct 11 01:59
cubexyzit's the only car I've ever seen without a radioOct 11 01:59
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cubexyzno, retired Oct 11 02:00
cubexyzhe's a good person, always tries to help othersOct 11 02:01
cubexyzjust very frugalOct 11 02:01
cubexyzdries his clothes on a clothes-lineOct 11 02:02
cubexyzhttp://www.buddhanet.net/mag_surf.htmOct 11 02:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buddhanet.net | BuddhaNet Article: Should Monks Surf the Internet? - by Ven. PannyavaroOct 11 02:07
cubexyzcyber monks!Oct 11 02:07
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cubexyzI used to spend a fair amount of time de-crypting wma and wmv files, but now I try to avoid thatOct 11 02:15
cubexyzlately the problem has been fdf files, a kind of DRM-protected pdf fileOct 11 02:16
cubexyzwho wants ebooks with DRM? Not meOct 11 02:17
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MinceR030759 < cubexyz> cyber monks!Oct 11 02:55
MinceRhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/quake/images/c/c5/P_xaero.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120224104616Oct 11 02:55
cubexyzLoki Software seems like a million years ago nowOct 11 02:59
cubexyzok, just did something interesting, never happened before...Oct 11 03:18
MinceR:)Oct 11 03:18
cubexyzx2x is running and I switched to text consoleOct 11 03:19
cubexyzso you x2x and use a different keyboard, you lose control at that pointOct 11 03:19
cubexyzsince X doesn't control the keyboard at that pointOct 11 03:19
MinceRyou switched the controlled machine to text console?Oct 11 03:20
cubexyzyesOct 11 03:20
MinceRi never did that :)Oct 11 03:20
cubexyzit actually switched the controller machine to text console as wellOct 11 03:21
MinceR:DOct 11 03:21
cubexyzif the cursor is on the controller machine, then I can just switch that machine to text console (as expected)Oct 11 03:22
cubexyzand as I bonus, I managed to bork up both text consolesOct 11 03:22
cubexyzbut ... interestingly enough, not by x2xOct 11 03:23
cubexyzand there's no get-out-of-borked-up-text-console free framebuffer module on openbsdOct 11 03:24
cubexyzif the text console gets borked up on Linux I can do: sudo modprobe radeonfbOct 11 03:25
cubexyzbut that does't exist in openbsdOct 11 03:25
MinceRdo openbsd gurus have an idea to fix that?Oct 11 03:25
cubexyznot reallyOct 11 03:26
cubexyzyou can use serial terminal or ssh from ethernet to do stuff of courseOct 11 03:26
cubexyzmaybe if you knew exactly which registers to write to you could fix itOct 11 03:27
cubexyzI know openbsd does: Oct 11 03:30
cubexyzwsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console #2880x25, vt100 emulation#29Oct 11 03:31
cubexyzah, that's garbledOct 11 03:31
MinceR:)Oct 11 03:31
cubexyzthe parathensis has been converted to #28 and #29Oct 11 03:32
cubexyzwsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)Oct 11 03:32
cubexyzthat is correctOct 11 03:32
cubexyzI must admit Linux does this better than openbsdOct 11 03:35
MinceRbut not for long, if redcrap has its way :>Oct 11 03:35
cubexyzthe openbsd gurus don't think the framebuffer is importantOct 11 03:36
cubexyzyou can control the text console on openbsd with:Oct 11 03:37
cubexyzwsconscfg -t 80x50 6Oct 11 03:37
cubexyzbut if it completely goes blank then you're screwedOct 11 03:37
cubexyzparenthesisOct 11 03:40
cubexyzit's stupid there's no reset featureOct 11 03:46
cubexyzSystem/390 does things a lot better than PCsOct 11 04:03
cubexyzseparate memory partitions for one thingOct 11 04:04
cubexyzbasically less code for GUIs and more code for error detection, error isolation and recoveryOct 11 04:05
cubexyzthat's not to say Linux or BSD couldn't be better than it currently isOct 11 04:06
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msb_http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/32876-leaked-tpp-intellectual-property-chapter-spells-doom-for-free-speech-onlineOct 11 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readersupportednews.org | Leaked TPP Intellectual Property Chapter Spells Doom for Free Speech Online [ http://ur1.ca/nze9w ]Oct 11 07:00
msb_By Cory Doctorow,Oct 11 07:00
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/lmbrownlee1/status/653132197071683584Oct 11 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lmbrownlee1: Yeah. This is going to be real popular. Software patents. Like patent reform - just keeps boomeranging back. https://t.co/JEJK5eYzeEOct 11 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: European Pirate Party MEP Julia Reda Says #TPP Will Bring Software Patents to #Europe and Other Continents/Countries http://t.co/g2dVWNsxrROct 11 09:58
schestowitzmsb_: thanksOct 11 09:58
msb_schestowitz: A luta continuaOct 11 10:03
msb_They never stop.  The Earth has been invaded by insectoid psychopath predators in human form.  Oct 11 10:05
msb_We, the human race, are their prey.Oct 11 10:06
msb_God created Arrakis to train the faithful.Oct 11 10:07
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msb_This is our planet.  It was nice here until about 5,000 years ago when they appeared.  Oct 11 10:09
msb_We had Goddess religions -- Earth-centered religions -- that told us how to take care of our world.Oct 11 10:10
msb_The insectoids programmed people to destroy it.Oct 11 10:11
msb_To dominate.Oct 11 10:11
msb_But this is still our planet.  We must awaken those of us who have been programmed.Oct 11 10:12
msb_We must take the power away from the psychopaths.  We are many and they are few.Oct 11 10:13
msb_They use mind-control to dominate us.  If we wake up, we can take our world back.Oct 11 10:15
msb_"Come all you working men, farmers and weavers too.  If you would only stand as one, this world belongs to you."  Ballad of the Carpenter -- Phil Ochs  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TvfBxIkupAOct 11 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Phil Ochs - Ballad Of The Carpenter - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n1f7x ]Oct 11 10:21
msb_"Two thousand years have passed  and gone, many a hero too.  But the dream of this poor carpenter remains in the hands of you."Oct 11 10:24
msb_The correct wording of the phrase is actually "A luta continua, vitória é certa" meaning, "The struggle continues, victory is certain".Oct 11 10:30
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/653145382810222594Oct 11 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz #Apple Another #IT giant colluding w/#NSAOct 11 10:53
MinceR"God" does not exist.Oct 11 13:40
MinceRand religions only tell us lies.Oct 11 13:41
MinceRwe must use our reason, if we can and are willing to do so.Oct 11 13:41
MinceRi wonder if openbsd has better task/io scheduling than linuxOct 11 14:06
MinceRhttp://8ch.net/tech/src/1444325882472-0.jpg   http://8ch.net/tech/src/1444325882473-2.jpgOct 11 14:58
schestowitz> http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/Oct 11 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzhna ]Oct 11 15:02
schestowitz>Oct 11 15:03
schestowitz> systemd is not "here to stay" it is merely very pernicious and spreadingOct 11 15:03
schestowitz> at the moment.Oct 11 15:03
schestowitzIt'll take a lot to stop Red Hat's grand plan though.Oct 11 15:03
schestowitz> " Not one person (including my offender manager) thought the punishmentOct 11 15:06
schestowitz> fit the crime,"Oct 11 15:06
schestowitz>Oct 11 15:06
schestowitz> https://torrentfreak.com/piracy-isnt-worth-the-risk-of-prison-freed-cammer-says-150927/Oct 11 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com | Piracy Isn't Worth The Risk of Prison, Freed Cammer Says - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/nzho0 ]Oct 11 15:06
schestowitz>Oct 11 15:06
schestowitz> an effect of privatization of prisonsOct 11 15:06
schestowitzhttps://github.com/wimpunk/ddclientOct 11 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | wimpunk/ddclient · GitHubOct 11 15:53
schestowitz-Oct 11 15:53
schestowitzhttp://www.noip.com/Oct 11 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.noip.com | Free Dynamic DNS - Managed DNS - Managed Email - Domain Registration - No-IPOct 11 15:53
schestowitz-Oct 11 15:53
schestowitzhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS#Registering_with_a_Dynamic_DNS_providerOct 11 15:54
schestowitzYou can then point your own CNAME at their A recordOct 11 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-help.ubuntu.com | DynamicDNS - Community Help Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/nzhye ]Oct 11 15:54
schestowitz> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/theres-nothing-mindblowing-about-windows-releasing-a-linux-osOct 11 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com | There's Nothing Mindblowing About Windows Releasing Its Own Linux OS | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/nzhyq ]Oct 11 15:55
schestowitz>Oct 11 15:55
schestowitz> opening pp is wrong.  no, only < 90% of all desktops and definitelyOct 11 15:55
schestowitz> barely present in embedded systems and consoles.Oct 11 15:55
schestowitzI noticed that very same line 2 weeks ago and pointed that out in Twitter. I didn't miss this lie either. I wonder if the author noticed his critics...Oct 11 15:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/653224382676996096Oct 11 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Most of them actually are, being foreign-funded.Oct 11 16:07
schestowitzSome, not all, and it's being used by extension to crush dissentOct 11 16:08
schestowitz> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/snowden-treaty-proposed-to-curtail-mass-surveillance-and-protect-whistleblowers/Oct 11 16:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | “Snowden Treaty” proposed to curtail mass surveillance and protect whistleblowers | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nuuqv ]Oct 11 16:16
schestowitz>Oct 11 16:16
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schestowitz> can't recall if I sent this via .co.ukOct 11 16:16
schestowitzmaybe, I'm going backwards in time now, so I don't know... yet. :-)Oct 11 16:16
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schestowitz>>> >> http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/Oct 11 17:02
schestowitz>>> >>Oct 11 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | My Dance Card for 'All Things Open' | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nzhna ]Oct 11 17:02
schestowitz>>> >> systemd is not "here to stay" it is merely very pernicious and spreadingOct 11 17:02
schestowitz>>> >> at the moment.Oct 11 17:02
schestowitz>> > It'll take a lot to stop Red Hat's grand plan though.Oct 11 17:02
schestowitz> They probably saw the Halloween Documents and realized to try the sameOct 11 17:02
schestowitz> as M$, to decommoditize Linux.Oct 11 17:02
schestowitzWill help sell RHEL support contracts, that's for sure...Oct 11 17:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JamieXML/status/653241663997935616Oct 11 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JamieXML: "When fighting monsters … do not become a monster." Open hackathons versus hypercommercialized resume mills? https://t.co/ATdNoAdOx6Oct 11 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Selling Out and the Death of Hacker Culture https://t.co/1WdP9DsHGo "We’ve sold each other for profit and lost what makes us happy."Oct 11 17:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6691730Oct 11 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: " If you head to WPS.com, you find only Android, iOS and Linux versions of the suite." http://www.cnet.com/news/whats-the-best-free-alternative-to-microsoft-office/ no #microsoft #windowsOct 11 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnet.com | What's the best free alternative to Microsoft Office? - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/nzih8 ]Oct 11 17:39
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msb_schestowitz: Regarding systemd "here to stay", the author Christine Hall is not a software engineer, and knows nothing of good engineering principles.  This according to her autobio in one of her sites.  She's a literary writer.Oct 11 21:29
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msb_MinceR: "<MinceR> and religions only tell us lies".  You really should do some research before spouting such huge generalizations (Karl Marx didn't invent capitalism, either).   What I wrote about were "Goddess religions -- Earth-centered religions -- that told us how to take care of our world".  These gave people instructions for planting, weeding, harvesting, raising animals, etc., told as _stories_ by and about beings.  This format Oct 11 21:37
msb_made the information much more interesting and memorable to people than a bare list of instructions, because it appealed to their associative/metaphorical minds, not just their linear/literal minds.  Read up on Wicca.Oct 11 21:37
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MinceRyes, let's confuse agriculture with religionOct 11 22:19
MinceRconfusion works in putin's favor, after allOct 11 22:19
msb_I wrote a lengthy comment about systemd:  http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671Oct 11 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://fossforce.com/2015/09/my-dance-card-for-all-things-open/#comment-15671 )Oct 11 22:21
MinceRand even if you get the procedure right by rote, embedding it in religion makes it static and impossible to improveOct 11 22:26
MinceRthus you get rules that forbid eating pork, shellfish, etc.Oct 11 22:26
msb_MinceR: No, you are confusing JCI religion with Wicca/Witchcraft/Goddess religion, which you probably have never researched.  Goddess religions are joyful and flexible.  And BTW, if you put some milk and cookies under your bed for Putin, who lives there, he'll be happy and will stop plotting against you.Oct 11 22:32
MinceRno, i'm talking about the fundamental principles of religionOct 11 22:34
MinceRthe idea of possessing a "Truth" that is inaccessible to reason, unprovable and delivered via revelationOct 11 22:34
MinceRtypically marking the ones possessing it as the Chosen People and everyone else as evil and/or expendableOct 11 22:34
MinceRand since it's inaccessible to reason and unprovable, it's also typically staticOct 11 22:35
MinceRand the only thing that will stop putin plotting against me is his deathOct 11 22:35
MinceRand by the way, putin is plotting against you as well, even if you refuse to realize itOct 11 22:35
msb_So put poison in his milk and cookies.Oct 11 22:36
MinceRi don't have access to his food or drink.Oct 11 22:36
msb_MinceR: You are talking about the fundamental principles of Judeo/Christian/Islamic religion.  Goddess religions are very different.  Read about them.Oct 11 22:45
MinceRare goddess religions devoid of dogma and magical thinking, then?Oct 11 22:52
MinceRdo they apply the scientific method?Oct 11 22:52
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msb_Goddess religions use metaphor, song, and dance, and are not absolutist.  Note that _you_ don't use the scientific method, whose first principle is to gather information.  You refuse to do that.Oct 11 23:02
MinceRno, the first principle of the scientific method is _not_ "gobble up all the bullshit from putin's propaganda machine"Oct 11 23:02
msb_MinceR: Do  you think that Putin invented Goddess religions, as you think that Karl Marx invented capitalism?Oct 11 23:05
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cubexyzAMI is under Microsoft's thumbOct 12 00:20
cubexyzit's an inescapeable conclusionOct 12 00:20
cubexyzeverything they do uses Microsoft techOct 12 00:23
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cubexyzmotherboard ID utility? Naturally it only works with windowsOct 12 00:23
cubexyzBIOS update? sameOct 12 00:24
cubexyzbuilding the BIOS image? MASM Oct 12 00:24
cubexyzoh well, screw AMIOct 12 00:29
cubexyzI can't over-emphasize how bad this situation isOct 12 00:30
cubexyzone might think, ok things aren't that bad but...Oct 12 00:32
cubexyzI can just turn off secure boot or whateverOct 12 00:32
cubexyzbut that is just the tip of the icebergOct 12 00:32
cubexyzTyan offers coreboot with there Opteron Line (I think you have to ask for it though)Oct 12 00:35
cubexyzs/there/their/Oct 12 00:35
cubexyzso Tyan, MSI, and Gigabyte are one's best bet for corebootOct 12 00:36
cubexyzI guess I'll contact Gigabyte and see what's upOct 12 00:39
cubexyzare they actually shipping coreboot on some motherboards, that is the questionOct 12 00:39
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cubexyzwe need to guard ourselves against the proprietary firmware companiesOct 12 02:21
msb_cubexyz: You seem to be using a "contamination" paradigm here, i.e., because AMI uses MS tools, their product is "under Microsoft's thumb" and therefore as evil as Microshit.Oct 12 02:25
cubexyzit's worse than merely used Microsoft toolsOct 12 02:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6680679Oct 12 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Software that is called "app" is almost always proprietary and connected to GPS, gyro etc. and can therefore never be trusted. Trendy? Yes.Oct 12 02:26
schestowitz"Yes, F-droid alerts you to antifeatures https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/Antifeatures"Oct 12 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-f-droid.org | Antifeatures - F-Droid [ http://ur1.ca/nzkma ]Oct 12 02:26
cubexyzit's using M$ tools to generate a proprietary blackbox productOct 12 02:26
schestowitzNiceOct 12 02:26
cubexyzI'm just pointing out that AMI is heavily dependent on MicrosoftOct 12 02:26
cubexyzand of course it makes it harder to do basic stuff with AMI BIOS with a Linux computerOct 12 02:27
cubexyzlike flashing your biosOct 12 02:27
cubexyzHence AMI is bad, and better alternatives existOct 12 02:27
msb_I would like to present an alternative.  When I first bought a mobo, and maybe before when I looked into the BOct 12 02:29
msb_BIOS of my first PC.  The BIOS mfr that I remember is AMI.  They may have been the first and principal bios mfr.Oct 12 02:30
cubexyzGary Kildall invented the first BIOSOct 12 02:30
msb_They started using MS tools because those were what was available for PCs.  I did too.Oct 12 02:30
cubexyzoriginally Intel wrote their own toolsOct 12 02:31
cubexyzthen shortly after that they started using MASMOct 12 02:32
msb_But AMI was the popular BIOS mfr, not Kildall.Oct 12 02:32
cubexyzthere was a history of CP/M computers before then IBM PC existedOct 12 02:34
msb_You say updating the bios requires a windows program.  It's not true, at least with the asus 990fx mobo.  A bios image can be loaded from a usb stick using only the bios, no OS at all.Oct 12 02:34
msb_The point is, the fact that AMI uses MS tools does not mean that their BIOS is "bad".  Oct 12 02:35
cubexyzI fail to see how it could be any worseOct 12 02:36
msb_The 990FX mobo uses an ami bios, but it can be updated without using windows.Oct 12 02:36
cubexyzthat's about as bad as can beOct 12 02:36
MinceRi think we'll find out in a decade or a few decades how bad it can beOct 12 02:36
MinceRapparently everyone who has power wants thatOct 12 02:37
cubexyzthe original IBM PC BIOS was built with Intel ASM86 Oct 12 02:37
msb_Your use of "bad" and "worse" are contentless judgement terms.  You're afraid of contamination.  You have to specify precisely _what_ is bad and _why_ it is bad.Oct 12 02:37
cubexyzI did specifiy _exactly_ what was badOct 12 02:38
msb_What?  Everything from AMI?Oct 12 02:38
cubexyzproprietary closed source BIOS which can't be reviewed or checked in any way other than reverse engineeringOct 12 02:38
cubexyzif it wasn't for the leaks, I would have no clue at all about what AMI does Oct 12 02:39
msb_What I suspect you're going to come up with is a slow expensive mobo/cpu combination, that will be of no use to people who want to play games or watch videos.  But you won't care because _you_ don't play games or watch videos.Oct 12 02:40
cubexyzmsb_ you are a real goofOct 12 02:40
cubexyzI worked for LGPOct 12 02:40
cubexyzdo you know what that means?Oct 12 02:41
msb_No, I'm telling the truth.Oct 12 02:41
msb_NoOct 12 02:41
cubexyzit means I worked for a video game publisherOct 12 02:41
cubexyzLinux Game PublishingOct 12 02:41
msb_So what?  If your solution is no good for playing games or watching compressed videos, it will not be accepted by the majority of people.  If you don't care about that, then you should admit it.Oct 12 02:42
msb_Linux can already circumvent UEFI, and the 990FX mobo can even turn it off entirely.Oct 12 02:43
MinceRcan it circumvent Restricted Boot that presents no option for disabling and doesn't let you to change the keys?Oct 12 02:44
msb_So the problem that remains is AMT/DASH, and if that can be solved with a $50 to $100 SBC router with open-source code, then _that_ solution _will_ work for most people.Oct 12 02:45
msb_MinceR: There is some kind of shim loader that is signed with MS keys that enables all Linuxes to boot.Oct 12 02:46
MinceRuntil m$ makes up a malware scare and revokes those keys.Oct 12 02:46
MinceRs/those keys/the certificate that loader is signed with/Oct 12 02:47
cubexyzright, let's become more dependent on Microsoft :-POct 12 02:47
cubexyzwhat a stupid ideaOct 12 02:47
MinceRhaving m$ hold the only keys to one's "computer" is unacceptableOct 12 02:47
cubexyzit's very simple...Oct 12 02:47
msb_Can those keys be revoked?  That would require the bios to call home to MS before accepting the keys.]Oct 12 02:47
cubexyzif you don't have the source code you don't have control, simple as thatOct 12 02:47
MinceRafaik it's designed so it can be revokedOct 12 02:47
msb_MinceR: please give a reference.Oct 12 02:48
MinceRbut it may require booting some OS that's obedient to m$ to actually do the call homeOct 12 02:48
MinceRanother way would be exploiting a security hole in winblows to chain-load your own bootloaderOct 12 02:48
MinceRbut i don't want to have to jailbreak my computerOct 12 02:48
msb_In that case, if the shim loader loads Linux, the MS key cannot be revoked.Oct 12 02:48
MinceRuntil someone boots winblows on that system onceOct 12 02:49
MinceRor until systemd does the call home, etc.Oct 12 02:49
MinceRhttps://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html-single/UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide/#sect-UEFI_Secure_Boot_Guide-What_is_Secure_Boot-Risks-Unproven_RevocationOct 12 02:49
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msb_On the 990FX mobo all the keys can be removed in the process of turning off UEFI.Oct 12 02:49
MinceRas usual, they aren't terribly forthcoming on the detailsOct 12 02:50
MinceRapparently what our computers are doing are the business of m$, crApple and redcrapOct 12 02:50
cubexyzthere's redboot nowOct 12 02:50
cubexyzRedhat made itOct 12 02:50
MinceRhttps://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12897.htmlOct 12 02:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | The security of Secure BootOct 12 02:51
MinceRfind: "revocation"Oct 12 02:51
MinceR"But eventually you'll be noticed, and then Microsoft produce a key revocation blob and vendors push it out via their OS update mechanisms."Oct 12 02:51
cubexyzwhy put yourselves in a position where you'd be dependent on Microsoft's key?Oct 12 02:52
cubexyzmadness...Oct 12 02:52
MinceRis it madness if most people are "mad"?Oct 12 02:52
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RedBootOct 12 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | RedBoot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaOct 12 02:52
cubexyzMinceR, yesOct 12 02:52
MinceR:>Oct 12 02:52
cubexyzthe truth is the truthOct 12 02:52
cubexyzmost people aren't 'mad', they just don't think about stuff like BIOSOct 12 02:53
MinceRit seems to me that most people happily cede control to companies like m$ and crAppleOct 12 02:53
MinceRfor example, see the popularity of crApple's backdoored mobile devicesOct 12 02:54
cubexyzwhat they tell me is one of two things:Oct 12 02:54
MinceRalso, talk to such peopleOct 12 02:54
MinceRthey'll tell you they don't mindOct 12 02:54
cubexyzI'm too old to learn $NEW_THINGOct 12 02:54
cubexyzorOct 12 02:54
cubexyzIt's too hard to learn, I can't understand itOct 12 02:54
cubexyzI made the same mistakes when I was youngerOct 12 02:55
cubexyzit's taken me a long time to get to this pointOct 12 02:55
cubexyzand they are right, it is hard to learn all the details about the BIOSOct 12 02:56
cubexyzbut that's what I've decided to doOct 12 02:56
cubexyzlike I said before, I'm seeing more customers use chromebooks, so there is some will to break away from the "mother-ship" of MicrosoftOct 12 02:57
amarsh04forgot to repost this here from the author of uselessd: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/Oct 12 02:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise [ http://ur1.ca/nzkqb ]Oct 12 02:57
MinceRif only to move to the "mother-ship" of googleOct 12 02:57
MinceRas most of them will never use developer modeOct 12 02:57
cubexyzMincer, if you have a superior suggestion, I'm all ears :)Oct 12 02:58
MinceRbut at least they could if they wanted toOct 12 02:58
MinceRi don't have any suggestion that can be practically implemented right nowOct 12 02:58
cubexyzI can tell you I've talked to some Google and Coreboot peopleOct 12 02:58
cubexyzand they are much friendlier than Microsoft people by farOct 12 02:59
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cubexyzall AMI has to do to change my mind about them is simple: give me commented source code to one motherboardOct 12 02:59
cubexyzthat's it... if they do that, I'll give them a thumbs upOct 12 03:00
cubexyzpeople do have a vague idea that the computer world is getting more closedOct 12 03:01
cubexyzlook at PVRs, once they did not encrypt the video, now they almost always doOct 12 03:01
cubexyzMinceR, hopefully Novena will catch on and become cheaperOct 12 03:02
MinceRhopefully they're willing to manufacture the Senoko boards againOct 12 03:03
MinceRwithout those, it isn't even a laptopOct 12 03:03
MinceRat any rate, it's probably a PITA to acquire at allOct 12 03:04
MinceRwell, at least some chromebooks are available for sale in hungary nowOct 12 03:04
MinceRafaict a few months ago there were noneOct 12 03:04
msb_cubexyz: It's ridiculous to expect AMI to give you "commented source code to one motherboard".  They would be killing their entire business -- their source of income.Oct 12 03:06
cubexyzmsb_, I told them any motherboard, no matter how oldOct 12 03:06
cubexyzwell, newer than IBM PC at leastOct 12 03:07
msb_What would a very old one accomplish?Oct 12 03:07
cubexyzI have commented AMI BIOS source code anywaysOct 12 03:07
msb_Please share it.Oct 12 03:07
msb_Does it deal with UEFI/secure-boot or AMT/DASH?Oct 12 03:08
MinceRwell, redcrap has apparently developed a method to avoid leaking commented source codeOct 12 03:08
cubexyzI have two: 1999 era, and 2011 era BIOSOct 12 03:08
MinceRthey don't write comments in the first placeOct 12 03:08
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/ami-firmware.torrentOct 12 03:09
cubexyzthat's the newer oneOct 12 03:09
msb_So far, what I've seen about MS revoking their keys involves MS putting out a BIOS update.  Oct 12 03:09
MinceRi don't think that's a full-blown BIOS updateOct 12 03:10
MinceRbut what if it is?Oct 12 03:10
MinceRthey're still going to install it automatically if you let their malware boot onceOct 12 03:10
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/mystery-code-do-not-look.zipOct 12 03:10
cubexyzok, that disappears in a hour :)Oct 12 03:10
cubexyzyou have your chance, make your time :)Oct 12 03:10
MinceRmystery meat!Oct 12 03:11
MinceRyou have no chance to survive make your time.Oct 12 03:11
msb_To avoid that, one can refuse any BIOS update.  But a safer approach is to save your working BIOS, and reflash with that if your bios gets updated against your wishes.Oct 12 03:11
MinceRif they allow you to reflashOct 12 03:11
cubexyzsome notes:Oct 12 03:12
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/bios.txtOct 12 03:12
cubexyzthe weird thing is AMI does have a SVN for BIOS source codeOct 12 03:14
cubexyznot sure how much $$$ you need to get accessOct 12 03:15
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cubexyzthe problem with using Microsoft's key is what if you compile your kernel and now they need you to have a signed kernel?Oct 12 03:19
cubexyzit's a problemOct 12 03:19
MinceRprobably one of the first steps will involve demanding you to use redcrap's signed kernel blobOct 12 03:21
MinceRand it will get darker from thereOct 12 03:21
cubexyzso forced systemd potentiallyOct 12 03:21
MinceRindeedOct 12 03:21
MinceRi suspect that kernel will be garrettux anywayOct 12 03:22
MinceRwith kdbusOct 12 03:22
cubexyzthe 1999 BIOS is pretty clean, I haven't found anything bad Oct 12 03:22
msb_cubexyz: Thanks for that stuff!Oct 12 03:23
cubexyzmsb_, what stuff?Oct 12 03:23
cubexyz:)Oct 12 03:23
cubexyzjust a mystery file that will be deletedOct 12 03:23
msb_Can't one just use the signed shim-loader and then any OS?Oct 12 03:23
cubexyzmaybeOct 12 03:24
MinceRonly as long as m$ will sign (and not revoke the signature on) a loader that will load any OSOct 12 03:24
MinceRsee 'malware scare' aboveOct 12 03:24
cubexyzit's such a simple thing, wanting the BIOS source codeOct 12 03:25
cubexyzand yet, so difficult to getOct 12 03:25
MinceRit's such a simple thing, wanting control over what a device someone bought with their own moneyOct 12 03:26
msb_But if you can save the original bios image, and then reflash it if MS manages to change your bios, you're ok, right?Oct 12 03:26
MinceRdoesOct 12 03:26
MinceRi'm not sure if you can even dump the imageOct 12 03:26
MinceRor where it actually stores the revocation informationOct 12 03:26
cubexyzright, it's all a big mysteryOct 12 03:27
msb_With the 990FX mobo, you can dump the bios image to a usb stick and restore it from there using only the bios -- no os.  You can do the same with the keys.Oct 12 03:28
cubexyzthe fact of the matter is, not even raspberry pi has BIOS source code Oct 12 03:28
msb_But hopefully some SBC does, with two ethernet ports, that can be used to make a router.Oct 12 03:30
MinceRor an ethernet port and a usb port, or two usb portsOct 12 03:30
MinceRthough i guess usb ethernet dongles are less than optimalOct 12 03:31
cubexyzeventually someone is going to do itOct 12 03:31
MinceRbut afaik raspberry pi-s already use an ethernet port that's internally connected via usbOct 12 03:31
cubexyzAward merged with Phoenix btwOct 12 03:31
cubexyzthe other question is why did IBM offer 286 BIOS source code, and never again after that?Oct 12 03:32
msb_cubexyz: Right!  Two more names I remember.Oct 12 03:33
cubexyzbut I don't remember flashing the BIOS on a 286Oct 12 03:34
cubexyzimagine booting into a BASIC of your own designOct 12 03:35
*MinceR shuddersOct 12 03:35
cubexyzon the Amiga we changed the rom chipOct 12 03:39
MinceRapparently now discrete rom chips and sockets are too expensiveOct 12 03:40
msb_The hard part may be finding the AMT/DASH command packet codes so they can be filtered out.Oct 12 03:40
cubexyzyou had to update the BIOS somehow on the IBM AT to get 720K 3.5" drives workingOct 12 03:41
cubexyzmy 286 clone had 1.2 meg 5.25 drivesOct 12 03:42
cubexyzCompaq reverse engineerede the IBM BIOSOct 12 03:49
cubexyzengineeredOct 12 03:49
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Franklin_Computer_Corp.Oct 12 03:50
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cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Franklin_Computer_CorpOct 12 03:51
cubexyzok, just search on "Apple Computer vs Franklin"Oct 12 03:53
cubexyzFranklin cloned the Apple IIOct 12 03:53
cubexyzFranklin actually won their case but...Oct 12 03:54
cubexyzApple appealedOct 12 03:55
cubexyzI think the IBM 286 used Phoenix BIOSOct 12 03:55
cubexyzor maybe it was the clonesOct 12 03:55
cubexyzanyways, Phoenix made the first PC ROM BIOS 'clone'Oct 12 03:57
cubexyzPhoenix also developed the PS/2 BIOSOct 12 03:58
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/jepsFVd.jpgOct 12 04:38
cubexyzinteresting magazine prediction from 1987:Oct 12 05:02
cubexyz"the market will transition from an IBM standard to a Intel/MS-DOS/expansion bus standard"Oct 12 05:02
msb_Can't find anything on the AMD website about whether the FX-8350 contains the DASH system.  DASH is supposed to be an "open standard" so maybe they'll talk to me on the phone about it.Oct 12 05:34
msb_I've narrowed the population I want to find secure solutions for two groups:  1. People willing to use Linux who already have a computer they like 2. People willing to use Linux and are looking to buy a new fast computer.Oct 12 05:38
msb_Of course windows users are hopeless.Oct 12 05:38
msb_AMD FX-8350 CPU and ASUS 990FX mobo will work for group 2 (which includes me) if that CPU doesn't have DASH or if its command packets can be filtered out by an SBC router.Oct 12 05:41
cubexyzthe corporate forces are aligned against the peopleOct 12 05:41
cubexyzMicrosoft, AMI, Adobe, Apple, etc etcOct 12 05:41
cubexyzoh you may as well add HP to that listOct 12 05:42
cubexyzthey've been quite unhelpful in the last decade or soOct 12 05:42
msb_Why include AMI?  Their BIOS for the 990FX can totally disable secure-boot, and can easily (re-)flash the BIOS.Oct 12 05:43
cubexyzwell AMI is a google partnerOct 12 05:49
msb_...and remove and replace the secure-boot keys.Oct 12 05:49
msb_So?Oct 12 05:50
cubexyzI have to study this on a case by case basis but so far I do not trust AMIOct 12 05:53
cubexyzthere's been cases of ASUS notebook owners getting locked out of LinuxOct 12 05:54
cubexyzAMI BIOSOct 12 05:55
msb_Were you able to fix them?Oct 12 05:55
cubexyzno, these were people I haven't met in personOct 12 05:56
cubexyzjust telling me about it via emailOct 12 05:56
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msb_Did they get fixed?Oct 12 05:56
cubexyzbasically what they tell me is that they disabled secure boot and still couldn't load linux onOct 12 05:56
msb_So this was during Linux installation?Oct 12 05:57
cubexyzyes, I think after quite a long time they did manage to get Kubuntu on Oct 12 05:59
msb_What did the problem turn out to be?Oct 12 05:59
cubexyzsomething about "launch CSM"Oct 12 05:59
msb_That's the compatibility (no secure-boot) module.Oct 12 06:00
msb_Was their bios up to date?Oct 12 06:01
cubexyzI doubt itOct 12 06:01
msb_maybe thiOct 12 06:01
msb_maybe their CSM was half-baked.Oct 12 06:02
msb_It might be a comparatively new feature, as AMI realized that there are a lot of Linu Oct 12 06:03
msb_Linux users.Oct 12 06:03
msb_So that's not a reason to reject AMI.Oct 12 06:04
cubexyzI'm looking at some AMI code right nowOct 12 06:12
cubexyzand it's clear it's been designed mainly for Windows 7 Oct 12 06:12
cubexyzthere is much to study hereOct 12 06:13
msb_Does Linux ever execute any bios code once it has booted up?Oct 12 06:14
cubexyzI'll say that modern BIOS can operate at a level which is invisible to the main OSOct 12 06:17
cubexyzso basically AMI is writing for Windows firstOct 12 06:18
msb_can it do that if it never gets executed after boot.Oct 12 06:18
cubexyzLinux is an after-thoughtOct 12 06:18
cubexyzI know the Linux folks try to use the BIOS as little as possible since they don't trust itOct 12 06:18
msb_So we're interested in whether there are any nasties built into bios that could operate under Linux.Oct 12 06:19
cubexyzinvisible to Linux I think is the best way to describe itOct 12 06:19
cubexyzsometimes that is called ring -1Oct 12 06:19
cubexyzI know AMI tests on RedhatOct 12 06:21
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cubexyzthe BIOS knows which OS you haveOct 12 06:21
msb_First off, one should boot Linux air-gapped -- with the Net physically disconnected.  That way any nasties couldn't phone home.  So they'd have to know how to mess up any of the many distros from info included in the bios.Oct 12 06:21
cubexyzwell the first place I'm looking is SmmDriverDispatcher.cOct 12 06:22
cubexyzsome of it is under a BSD licenseOct 12 06:25
cubexyzalso there's comments complaining about what the Microsoft compiler doesOct 12 06:29
cubexyzwell probably wireshark or tcpdump would be good enough to see any phone home activityOct 12 06:31
cubexyzI guess it wouldn't show everythingOct 12 06:32
cubexyzif you ran everything for 10 years and never had a problem well then I would say it's fineOct 12 06:35
cubexyzbut my computers are all non-DASHOct 12 06:36
cubexyzit's interesting watching the ARP trafficOct 12 06:40
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cubexyzif the router becomes unreponsive I'll watch to see if the ARP messages are still happeningOct 12 06:42
msb_Ring -1 is for VM execs, right?  And since there are open-source VM execs, we should be able to figure out how to detect ring -1 activity.Oct 12 07:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Congratulations on obtaining a copy of the Closer Contact With Major Applicants document that you were able to publish. Great.Oct 12 09:47
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