IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: January 17th, 2016-January 23rd, 2016

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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6967152	Jan 17 04:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nvidia blobs and #privacy https://charliehorse55.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/how-nvidia-breaks-chrome-incognito/		Jan 17 04:16
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schestowitz	"	Jan 17 04:16
schestowitz	It’s nothing really to do with Chromium Browser. Either OSX or Nvidia was not deleting GPU memory and users were able to query it to retrieve frames.	Jan 17 04:16
schestowitz	It just goes to show that you need free software from the metal up. Some devices are unsafe, even if you can just treat them like a circuit. Given Nvidia’s long standing malice, the slop is probably intentional.	Jan 17 04:16
schestowitz	I wonder if javascript could grab video frames, so that web sites could do this. WebGL?	Jan 17 04:16
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 04:16
cubexyz	there's an xyz domain	Jan 17 04:24
schestowitz	yes, I think it's used specially in china	Jan 17 04:25
schestowitz	I once read about the original purpose of this suffix	Jan 17 04:25
cubexyz	yeah we don't really have 100% FOSS by any means	Jan 17 04:29
cubexyz	I see blackbox code everywhere	Jan 17 04:29
cubexyz	and beyond just code, there's lots of planned obsolescence in hardware	Jan 17 04:32
cubexyz	utterly 100% planned	Jan 17 04:32
cubexyz	plastic welding seems to be the new thing	Jan 17 04:33
cubexyz	plastic welding in what you may ask... well external hard drives for one	Jan 17 04:33
cubexyz	not to mention opening something that breaks a seal that automatically voids the warranty	Jan 17 04:34
cubexyz	e.g. any DVR made for Rogers/Bell/Name your Media Empire Here	Jan 17 04:34
cubexyz	soldered in batteries...	Jan 17 04:37
cubexyz	"As open source software can always be updated by somebody and maintained by others the user is not at the mercy of a proprietary vendor."	Jan 17 04:40
cubexyz	FOSS == anti obsolescence	Jan 17 04:40
schestowitz	> http://yle.fi/uutiset/paper_5000_higher_learning_jobs_cut_by_government/8601282	Jan 17 04:44
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 04:44
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schestowitz	> While everyone is fighting over the budgets and staffing, the softers	Jan 17 04:44
schestowitz	> have taken over the curricula and decided on even the teaching methods.	Jan 17 04:44
schestowitz	Are they teaching MS at schools, to what degree if so..?	Jan 17 04:44
cubexyz	that's a question I keep thinking about a lot	Jan 17 04:45
schestowitz	> older:	Jan 17 04:45
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 04:45
schestowitz	> https://news.artnet.com/art-world/facebook-censorship-little-mermaid-denmark-copenhagen-401984	Jan 17 04:46
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cubexyz	I knew about this one english professor that demanded that essays be written using a specific version of microsoft word	Jan 17 04:46
cubexyz	it wasn't enough to use microsoft word... it had to be this one specific version	Jan 17 04:46
cubexyz	based on that little experience I'm kind of worried about the microsoft influence in schools	Jan 17 04:47
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/value-of-longevity-cooper.pdf	Jan 17 04:49
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oiaohm	schestowitz: GPU for a long time had zero real memory management. Only cards GPU cards that support VT-d in fact support protected memory preventing recovery from video card ram.	Jan 17 04:55
oiaohm	schestowitz: worst part about GPU memory is a GPU reset is does not mean clear ram. So data can be in GPU ram even after a hot reboot.	Jan 17 04:56
schestowitz	> "Erickson, Jonathan (2001-07-22). "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three	Jan 17 04:56
schestowitz	> Strikes And You're Out". "	Jan 17 04:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 04:56
schestowitz	> http://www.ddj.com/184404225	Jan 17 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.drdobbs.com \| Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three Strikes And You're Out \| Dr Dobb's		Jan 17 04:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 04:56
schestowitz	> https://web.archive.org/web/20070218115715/http://www.ddj.com/184404225	Jan 17 04:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org \| Dr. Dobb's \| Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three Strikes And You're Out \| July 22, 2001 [ http://ur1.ca/of8sd ]		Jan 17 04:56
schestowitz	> probably better archive it locally if it is needed	Jan 17 04:56
schestowitz	Given copyrights, I don't think I can just make a mirror of it until or unless they remove the original.	Jan 17 04:56
oiaohm	Archive.org is under the rules of the library of alexandar what is greek rules. Good fun as long as they don't run out of disc space they can mirror anything that was placed on a publically accessable location.	Jan 17 05:04
oiaohm	schestowitz: yes web.archive.org exploits that rule.	Jan 17 05:05
cubexyz	copyright was stretched beyond (almost) all limits	Jan 17 05:08
cubexyz	archive.org might even have entire isssues of Dr Dobbs magazines	Jan 17 05:09
oiaohm	cubexyz: libraries have different rules to general people even intentationally.	Jan 17 05:09
oiaohm	That is why archive.org is special.	Jan 17 05:09
cubexyz	well I remember libraries having photo copiers	Jan 17 05:10
cubexyz	not sure if they still do, it's been a while since I've used one	Jan 17 05:11
cubexyz	don't really see any way anyone can stop the sharing of magazines	Jan 17 05:13
cubexyz	http://6502.org/documents/publications/dr_dobbs_journal/	Jan 17 05:14
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cubexyz	people have been complaining about Microsoft for some time now	Jan 17 05:17
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cubexyz	Microsoft back-petaled on the Kerberos networking protocol with "Microsoft Open Specification Promise""	Jan 17 05:23
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cubexyz	anyways, the Big Bad Wolf has lost a lot of its teeth	Jan 17 05:27
cubexyz	once you toss windows off your system, M$'s influence is minor	Jan 17 05:27
cubexyz	at least as far as your own computer is concerned	Jan 17 05:28
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cubexyz	a lot of the tech media sites are wimpy microsoft butt kissers	Jan 17 05:38
cubexyz	they can't flog windows 10 hard enough, even when they are criticizing it	Jan 17 05:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bob_moss/status/688669414221307904	Jan 17 05:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bob_moss: A wee bit of an understatement. Aside from desktops/laptops Linux dominates computing & basically runs the world https://t.co/tso4Nu44wA		Jan 17 05:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Linux has been around as an open-source, free operating system for quite some time." https://t.co/UKbNwPwBq7		Jan 17 05:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bob_moss/status/688669414221307904	Jan 17 05:45
oiaohm	cubexyz: I think it insane that its taken until the start of this year for Nvidia and AMD to agree to install drivers on non OS X and Windows platforms in ways that don't stomp on each other.	Jan 17 05:46
cubexyz	Ford switching to Linux, huh what do you know	Jan 17 05:47
cubexyz	oiaohm, on openbsd I am using the VESA driver :)	Jan 17 05:47
oiaohm	cubexyz: the issue with two different GPU sharing 1 output has been many times worse due to closed source libraries over writtening key parts.	Jan 17 05:49
cubexyz	hmmm, I wonder if the VESA driver uses the GPU	Jan 17 05:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://www.automotivelinux.org/news/announcement/2016/01/ford-mazda-mitsubishi-motors-and-subaru-join-linux-foundation-and Refering to this??	Jan 17 05:50
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oiaohm	cubexyz: VESA driver is depending on software emulation to be present.	Jan 17 05:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: lot of newer apple laptops don't have VESA for thier GPUs.	Jan 17 05:51
cubexyz	ok, we might have talked about this before... but how far back do we need to go to not need software emulation?	Jan 17 05:51
cubexyz	AGL, yes I thought that was great news	Jan 17 05:52
cubexyz	that's a big deal... Ford switching away from Microsoft to Linux	Jan 17 05:52
oiaohm	VESA has always been firmware emulation.	Jan 17 05:52
oiaohm	VESA mode was never truly implemented in hardware.	Jan 17 05:52
oiaohm	VGA was the last mode in hardware cubexyz	Jan 17 05:53
oiaohm	That was exposed directly by BIOS	Jan 17 05:53
cubexyz	wasn't there something called VESA BIOS Extensions?	Jan 17 05:53
cubexyz	it's not just real mode any more	Jan 17 05:54
cubexyz	since 1998 there was VBE 3.0	Jan 17 05:54
cubexyz	VBE accelerator functions...	Jan 17 05:55
oiaohm	All VBE stuff was not 1 to 1 mapping to hardware.	Jan 17 05:55
cubexyz	try "sudo hwinfo --framebuffer"	Jan 17 05:56
oiaohm	Instead it all firmware stuff running in x86 passing the right instruction to gpu.	Jan 17 05:56
cubexyz	that should tell you all the modes	Jan 17 05:56
oiaohm	seeing the modes does not tell you how the are implemented.	Jan 17 05:56
cubexyz	also the reported memory size is definitely wrong	Jan 17 05:57
oiaohm	So you are clearly seeing that it fake.	Jan 17 05:58
cubexyz	unless that's a different thing... just the VESA framebuffer size	Jan 17 05:58
cubexyz	oiaohm, well I just don't know enough about it to be honest	Jan 17 05:58
oiaohm	I remember under s3 cards reporting we have accelerated mouse functions by VESA then instead of drawing mouse pointer drawing white rectangle.	Jan 17 05:58
cubexyz	this card is a 256 meg ATI Radeon 9600 Pro	Jan 17 05:58
oiaohm	Of course not all cards it depended what firmware the s3 card had.	Jan 17 05:59
oiaohm	So some could draw mouse pointer correctly and some could not.	Jan 17 05:59
oiaohm	It was s3 cards when i came aware how bogus implemented VBE was.	Jan 17 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Linux has been around as an open-source, free	Jan 17 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	operating system for quite some time."	Jan 17 06:01
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oiaohm	cubexyz: that was 1992 or before that I had that with s3 before I had touched Linux.	Jan 17 06:01
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cubexyz	oiaohm, I know the MSDOS programs I wrote in 1987 still work on FreeDOS	Jan 17 06:03
cubexyz	at least on this 2001 computer	Jan 17 06:03
cubexyz	although I don't know exactly how it works	Jan 17 06:04
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cubexyz	it kicks into EGA mode	Jan 17 06:04
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oiaohm	Most of my 1987 programs are not friendly. I was playing around with self rewriting binaries back then.	Jan 17 06:04
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cubexyz	so it could just be making video BIOS calls, I'm not really sure	Jan 17 06:04
cubexyz	I was using Microsoft QuickC 2.5 I think	Jan 17 06:05
cubexyz	I'd have to go all the way back to Commodore 64 to talk about writing to video registers	Jan 17 06:05
msb_	I have a $500 air conditioner that's cripplled by a welded-closed plastic box that's designed to accumulate mold that prevents water circulation, and the box can't be cleaned. So it spews condensation water all over the floor unless tedious external fixes are applied. The mfr was totally dismissive when I phoned them.	Jan 17 06:08
oiaohm	msb_: it one of the big problems I have with some air conditioners some I think are just designed to slowly kill people with toxic fumes from mould.	Jan 17 06:11
msb_	But to partially object to one point, a disadvantage of using old computer gear is that hardware speed/power capabilities have advanced very rapidly, maybe 2X per year, due to the amazing power of photolithography and higher resolution techniques applied to it (more transistors per chip).	Jan 17 06:12
oiaohm	msb_: or worse legionnaires disease	Jan 17 06:12
oiaohm	msb_: any air conditioner that cannot be properly cleaned own them is a death wish.	Jan 17 06:13
msb_	So current CPUs, RAMs, hard disks, etc., enable things like creating and playing x265 videos, which save at least half the disk space of x264s. Also convenient editing of videos.	Jan 17 06:15
msb_	These things can't be done with old kit.	Jan 17 06:15
msb_	oiaohm: Not to worry, I have no symptoms of mold toxicity.	Jan 17 06:16
msb_	I just have to collect and drain the condensate water with a system of bowls, pumps, and buckets. However, last summer the hot air hose melted, so I have to substitute a new one, and the diameter is totally non-standard.	Jan 17 06:18
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oiaohm	msb_: so one of the mega fun ones. When you mean totally non standard you did have one of the ones designed for a heat shrinking tube.	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>> > http://yle.fi/uutiset/paper_5000_higher_learning_jobs_cut_by_government/8601282	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>>>>>> >>>> >>	Jan 17 06:20
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schestowitz	>>>>>>> >>>> >> While everyone is fighting over the budgets and staffing, the softers	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>>>>>> >>>> >> have taken over the curricula and decided on even the teaching methods.	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>>>> >>> >	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>>>> >>> > Are they teaching MS at schools, to what degree if so..?	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>> >> I'm mostly out of the loop and have no contacts in the south, so don't	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>> >> quote on this. Via the news and some 2nd and 3rd hand reports, M$ has	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>> >> given money in exchange for teaching or "researching" various products.	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>> >> But that's not what I was intending to refer to. I mean that the	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>> >> so-called IT staff has been replaced by defacto M$ resellers. All IT	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>> >> goes through them and no non-M$ activities get support or even allowed.	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>> >> As I mentioned some years ago, they went through individual faculty	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>> >> machines and deleted all non-approved software. That's at the	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>> >> University level. I'll find out about two more universities sometime	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>> >> during the year, closer to the autumn, but the prognosis is not good.	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>>> >> M$ killed Nokia but no one is reacting against it, only digging in deeper.	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 17 06:20
schestowitz	>> > Ask Torvalds about it. Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>	Jan 17 06:21
schestowitz	> He wouldn't know me from Adam and my question would have nothing to do	Jan 17 06:21
schestowitz	> with the kernel which is his area.	Jan 17 06:21
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 06:21
schestowitz	> But then again, isn't the Linux Foundation now crumbling under M$? The	Jan 17 06:21
schestowitz	> links from the web page go to M$ spam a lot these days.	Jan 17 06:21
schestowitz	yes, in the Linux news summary last week 40% of the links were Microsoft promotion. I wrote about it and pinged LF about it. Maybe shame will get them to behave.	Jan 17 06:21
msb_	I guess if I end up with a source-based Linux distro to avoid systemd, and have to compile everything, a high-speed CPU will be helpful for that too.	Jan 17 06:21
oiaohm	msb_: the ones with heat strink tube connection on the hot air lines those lines fail over and over again.	Jan 17 06:21
cubexyz	they like to follow the other sheep... baaaa :)	Jan 17 06:21
oiaohm	msb_: to be trueful systemd other than when its reloading all the unit file data due to a stupid design in that part systemd cpu load is lower than everything else on the system.	Jan 17 06:22
oiaohm	msb_: some X11 fixes have saved more cpu time than systemd uses.	Jan 17 06:22
oiaohm	msb_: by a factor of 100.	Jan 17 06:22
oiaohm	So there is a lot of crap that needs cleaning up.	Jan 17 06:23
msb_	oiaohm: There are many other reasons than speed for avoiding systemd, but I will not discuss them with you.	Jan 17 06:23
oiaohm	msb_: problem here the speed arguement is mostly invalid.	Jan 17 06:23
oiaohm	msb_: there were just as many existing issues fixed by systemd as issues it created.	Jan 17 06:24
oiaohm	Of course that is not ideal.	Jan 17 06:25
cubexyz	the best advice I can give is this: Don't rely on others to do stuff for you	Jan 17 06:25
cubexyz	do it yourself	Jan 17 06:25
cubexyz	archive what you want to keep	Jan 17 06:25
cubexyz	because I sure don't trust Fedora or Debian or even Slackware to stick around forever	Jan 17 06:26
oiaohm	Randomally glue parts into a system without any proper planing and then patching over them so they worked was the sysvinit model of Linux.	Jan 17 06:26
msb_	The A/C hoses are plastic with helical strengtheners that screw into plastic fixtures on the A/C and window panel. But their diameter is 5", while standards are 4, 6, and 8, IIRC. But I'll deal with it somehow.	Jan 17 06:27
cubexyz	which manufacturer should I be avoiding? :)	Jan 17 06:27
msb_	It's some chinese thing, but it was the most powerful and fastest cooling-down of any in Fry's when I bought it. It's a portable with hot and cold hoses. I'll tell you the mfr next time a get up, if it's visible.	Jan 17 06:29
msb_	a -> I	Jan 17 06:29
oiaohm	msb_: I think you should measure closer I would suspect they are 13cm or 5.11811 inch	Jan 17 06:29
oiaohm	msb_: basically metric pipes.	Jan 17 06:30
cubexyz	did Maytag not make air conditioners? Anyone remember Jesse Owens as the lonely maytag repair man? :)	Jan 17 06:30
msb_	They are 1 inch diameter off from any hoses I can buy.	Jan 17 06:30
oiaohm	msb_: for aircons you can by 13cm pipes here for metric systems.	Jan 17 06:31
oiaohm	msb_: that is why I said check the mesurements.	Jan 17 06:32
cubexyz	ok, maytag did in fact make air conditioners	Jan 17 06:33
msb_	cubexyz: I have probably all the software for the Linux version I'm using, which supports my 2-core cpu, and can compile any that I don't have. When I build my AMD 8-core system, I'll select the best distro I can find, and install and archive it. Probably will last til my own personal EOL.	Jan 17 06:33
cubexyz	no idea how good they were, but I've heard of maytag dishwashers lasting 30 years or more	Jan 17 06:34
cubexyz	msb_, hopefully that will be also 30 years or more :)	Jan 17 06:34
cubexyz	I'm trying to figure how which DVR to buy or build	Jan 17 06:35
oiaohm	msb_: I hope you have checked the TDP on the AMD processors.	Jan 17 06:37
msb_	cubexyz: Thank you! someone pointed out that since I've made it to 70, I have a good chance of getting a few more decades. Good Russian stock!	Jan 17 06:37
msb_	cubexyz: TDP?	Jan 17 06:38
cubexyz	thermal design power I think he means	Jan 17 06:39
oiaohm	msb_: I guess you mean me with TDP "Thermal Design Power" in otherwords how much heat the chip makes.	Jan 17 06:39
msb_	Sorry, yes. The cpu works well thermally with available mobos.	Jan 17 06:39
oiaohm	Some AMD chips spit out 220W of heat in other words over 3 old 100W lightbulbs worth of heat.	Jan 17 06:40
oiaohm	Enough to cook a chicken.	Jan 17 06:40
oiaohm	I am not kidding 3 100W lightbulb with insulation is enough to chook a chicken.	Jan 17 06:41
oiaohm	msb_: some AMD chips are sane 95W TDP	Jan 17 06:41
cubexyz	oiaohm, some of the chromebooks run quite cool	Jan 17 06:41
cubexyz	some of them don't even have fans inside	Jan 17 06:42
oiaohm	cubexyz: some intel chips have very low TDP same with some ARM. Like lightest I7 is 35 TDP.	Jan 17 06:42
cubexyz	no CPU fan, no exhaust fan in the back even	Jan 17 06:43
oiaohm	35W TDP is in the class of a 486 cubexyz	Jan 17 06:43
oiaohm	Early 486	Jan 17 06:43
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msb_	AMD FX-8350 TDP=125 watts	Jan 17 06:44
cubexyz	oiaohm, anything lower than 35W in a modern CPU?	Jan 17 06:45
oiaohm	msb_: that reqired decent cooling. Anything about 80W is PCB board destorying if not suitablely coolled..	Jan 17 06:45
oiaohm	opps anything above 80W	Jan 17 06:46
msb_	Of course. Good big fans.	Jan 17 06:46
oiaohm	msb_: I live in area where room temp can be 40C so 125W TDP is water cooling.	Jan 17 06:46
oiaohm	msb_: anything above 120W you have to check envornment of operation.	Jan 17 06:47
oiaohm	msb_: because air cooling may no longer be enough.	Jan 17 06:47
msb_	Temperate Northern California.	Jan 17 06:48
msb_	And I use A/C.	Jan 17 06:49
oiaohm	Intel® Core™ i7-6600U Processor(4M Cache, up to 3.40 GHz) that is a mobile chip is only 15W TDP there are some arm chips in phones uses lower than this	Jan 17 06:49
msb_	No Intel for me. And the cpu I mentioned is at a price/power sweet spot.	Jan 17 06:51
oiaohm	msb_: what is annoying me is amd is suffering from same problem as past. Reason why AMD chip TDP is so high is the nm of production.	Jan 17 06:52
oiaohm	To keep up on performance AMD is over driving the nm circuit size so generating way too much heat.	Jan 17 06:53
cubexyz	oiaohm, remember voyager though :)	Jan 17 06:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: correct clockspeed for nm equals long life.	Jan 17 06:54
oiaohm	32nm is really not designed 4.0/4.2 GHz that is why FX 8350 is spitting out so much heat.	Jan 17 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Below are articles that we wrote about what we	Jan 17 06:57
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msb_	The cpu has been around for a few years and works fine. If past experience holds, should serve me for 8 years. Maybe I'll buy two of them just in case. Only $175.	Jan 17 06:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Arch Linux Gets Reader’s Choice ‘Best Distro’	Jan 17 06:57
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oiaohm	msb_: Its not the CPU I am exactly worried about. Its the solder holding in the CPU sockets and parts around it.	Jan 17 06:58
msb_	The mobo is practically mil-spec.	Jan 17 06:59
oiaohm	msb_: 80W limit is about not risking solder damage.	Jan 17 06:59
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 06:59
schestowitz	UPDATE:	Jan 17 06:59
oiaohm	msb_: board layer to layer issues.	Jan 17 06:59
schestowitz	The new Croatian government is due to be confirmed on 22 January (next Friday - not Monday as originally stated).	Jan 17 06:59
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 06:59
cubexyz	oiaohm, P3 katmai's were 250 nm	Jan 17 07:00
msb_	oiaohm: In reality (not your strong suit) the cpu and mobo work fine. Please stop your constant faultfinding with me.	Jan 17 07:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: that beast was only 50W TDP.	Jan 17 07:02
cubexyz	I do wonder how much smaller transistors can get	Jan 17 07:02
oiaohm	msb_: this is my strong suit in fact.	Jan 17 07:02
cubexyz	I heard smaller than 7 nm will experience quantum tunnelling	Jan 17 07:02
cubexyz	so I guess 7 nm is the current limit	Jan 17 07:03
oiaohm	msb_: I do rugged systems. So understand TDP effects on hardware is part of it.	Jan 17 07:03
oiaohm	msb_: using aircon does give you some more room. But gerneral calculations I use normally presume aircon is either non existant or broken.	Jan 17 07:04
msb_	oiaohm: I am an electronics, computer, and software engineer. I know physics. Leave me the hell alone.	Jan 17 07:05
oiaohm	msb_: and I have 80 years of mil data on hardware durabality behind me.	Jan 17 07:07
oiaohm	msb_: so this is field I know inside out.	Jan 17 07:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://wccftech.com/tsmc-euv-lithography-5-nm-chips/ 7nm is not the limit with currently researched tech 5nm is.	Jan 17 07:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wccftech.com \| 5 nm chips from TSMC will be processed using EUV [ http://ur1.ca/of8zc ]		Jan 17 07:09
oiaohm	cubexyz: now getting past 5nm that is a nightmare.	Jan 17 07:09
msb_	oiaohm: Tabulation for oiaohm: 1. systemd is necessary and good for Linux 2. cannabis is dangerous (despite the fact that people titrate to effect) 3. blunt head trauma is the best way for police to control crowds.	Jan 17 07:15
msb_	oiaohm: I do not want your advice. Please do not address any remarks to me.	Jan 17 07:15
oiaohm	msb_: over cannabis you had the active chemicals wrong.	Jan 17 07:17
oiaohm	msb_: so you did not know that it could be dangerous because a cell killing chemical could be way way too high.	Jan 17 07:17
msb_	oiaohm: No, you are a brain-damaged sick fuck who doesn't know, and probably never can know, what psychedelic consciousness is.	Jan 17 07:18
oiaohm	msb_: no you are a idiot.	Jan 17 07:19
oiaohm	msb_: studies have show that anything above 1.1 percent will trigger psychedelic consciousness stuff and that is in studies.	Jan 17 07:20
oiaohm	So 98 percent counter chemical with 1.1 percent active generates basically the same result without the toxicity.	Jan 17 07:20
msb_	oiaohm: STOP USING MY NICK IN YOUR POSTS!	Jan 17 07:21
oiaohm	msb_: normal IRC get over it. I can pull out the studies if you like that show 98 CBD with 1.1 percent TDP still results in person geting the psychedelic effects. Without the major risk of perminate cell damage.	Jan 17 07:23
msb_	Go kill yourself.	Jan 17 07:24
oiaohm	msb_: really you said CDB is to treat cancer. The reality is not. High CDB canabis is used because a way to get TDP cheaply with enough counter agent.	Jan 17 07:25
oiaohm	msb_: basically on cannabis you had nothing wrong and saying cannabis is genericly safe is wrong.	Jan 17 07:26
oiaohm	Or at least that is your point of view.	Jan 17 07:26
oiaohm	msb_: reality on cannabis you had nothing right.	Jan 17 07:27
oiaohm	Personally I think cannabis should be made legal because correct ratio stuff is safer than cigerates and is useful medically.	Jan 17 07:28
oiaohm	Of course make it death sentence to sell anything incorrect ratio.	Jan 17 07:28
oiaohm	msb_: really even the blunt trauma bit you take out of context. Really just get over yourself you would not have half the problem with me if you did understand the facts.	Jan 17 07:31
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6967543	Jan 17 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Erickson, Jonathan. "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three Strikes And You're Out"" http://www.ddj.com/184404225 https://web.archive.org/web/20070218115715/ http://www.ddj.com/184404225 #microsoft		Jan 17 07:36
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oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_XP_microprocessors Really after AMD experience with chips getting close to 80W and having increased motherboard failures should have taught them pushing CPU hard is extremely bad thing.	Jan 17 07:42
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/688715722449661952	Jan 17 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Well, if you take money from foreign countries to destabilise your own, you ARE a traitor.		Jan 17 08:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Anti-Competitive and Anti-Choice: the ‘New’	Jan 17 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Microsoft Reveals New Abusive Policies	Jan 17 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/YOw35O1dSS (techrights.org)	Jan 17 08:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Anti-Competitive and Anti-Choice: the ‘New’ Microsoft Reveals New Abusive Policies \| Techrights		Jan 17 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 17/1/2016: 4MLinux 16.0 Beta, Black Lab	Jan 17 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Linux 8 Alpha https://t.co/tI8hlgzeSJ	Jan 17 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Jan 17 09:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Below are articles that we wrote about what we	Jan 17 09:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shakedown Hawaii, the follow up to Retro City	Jan 17 10:34
TweetTuxMachines	Rampage should be on Linux	Jan 17 10:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YNvLL3qYAo (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 17 10:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Shakedown Hawaii, the follow up to Retro City Rampage should be on Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 17 10:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The new Master of Orion 4X strategy game might	Jan 17 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	see a Linux release https://t.co/U02g9GfheL	Jan 17 10:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @yPAPAx favourited 'Shakedown Hawaii, the follow up to Retro City...'		Jan 17 10:44
schestowitz	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CY7iyjpWUAAZmhc.jpg:large	Jan 17 10:52
MinceR	"In 2291, in an attempt to control violence among deep space miners, the New Earth Government legalized no-holds-bared fighting."	Jan 17 10:54
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schestowitz	oh, look, pro-EPO spin:	Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/breaking-news-from-epo-suepo-officials.html?showComment=1453035172877#c4862246746362101065	Jan 17 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: Breaking News from the EPO - SUEPO officials fired, downgraded [ http://ur1.ca/of9g0 ]		Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	Boohoo, cry me a river! Two employees have been fired.	Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	Do you know how many get fired daily in the real world?	Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	And judging from the letters published by Techrights, this was even justified after them harrassing colleagues.	Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	Get real people, also staffreps can make mistakes. And they also get to pay the price.	Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	No, I`m not a management troll, just being realistic.	Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	Just sayin`	Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	The letters and rebuttal show the opposite	Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	Notice the troll's, "I`m not a management troll, just being realistic."	Jan 17 11:01
schestowitz	If you're not a troll, you don't need to state that	Jan 17 11:02
MinceR	no, he merely stated that he's a troll, but not from the management	Jan 17 11:02
schestowitz	yeah :-)	Jan 17 11:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3 Is Soon Turning Five Years Old: How Are	Jan 17 12:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| GNOME 3 Is Soon Turning Five Years Old: How Are You Liking It? - Phoronix		Jan 17 12:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3 Is Soon Turning Five Years Old: How Are	Jan 17 12:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME 3 Is Soon Turning Five Years Old: How Are You Liking It? \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 12:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/688782747867987968	Jan 17 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Transparancy as a money making tool: NYPD charging TV network $36,000 for body cam footage @arstechnica @schestowitz https://t.co/LUSI1k0Y3G		Jan 17 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| Police department charging TV news network $36,000 for body cam footage \| Ars Technica		Jan 17 13:03
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/688787653999878144	Jan 17 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @zoobab @schestowitz what we need is focus on true SW freedom. Freedom to tinker. And standards as a good thing.		Jan 17 14:02
schestowitz	social engineering, when the engineers overcome those who abuse their power	Jan 17 14:02
oiaohm	schestowitz: social engineering is double sided sword. engineers can abuse their power as well.	Jan 17 14:26
oiaohm	schestowitz: Social Engineering term comes from all people Adolf Hitler. http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199689590.001.0001/acprof-9780199689590	Jan 17 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oxfordscholarship.com \| Visions of Community in Nazi Germany - Oxford Scholarship [ http://ur1.ca/ofa0a ]		Jan 17 14:29
oiaohm	schestowitz: yes where the term comes from is one of the worst examples on how Social Engineering can be abused.	Jan 17 14:30
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schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/breaking-news-from-epo-suepo-officials.html?showComment=1453045328427#c565632492490759436	Jan 17 15:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: Breaking News from the EPO - SUEPO officials fired, downgraded [ http://ur1.ca/ofa3f ]		Jan 17 15:00
schestowitz	"Good point! That would most possibly align the EPO policies with the national host countries laws, international law and human rights... and of course avoid conflicting situations as we experience now! "	Jan 17 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Contributing to Open Source Projects and Code	Jan 17 15:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Contributing to Open Source Projects and Code \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 15:30
schestowitz	OT:	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>>> >> I've donated a small amount to the SFC today. It's not much but it's	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>>> >> what I have available.	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>>> >> They're unique in that they are active in supporting and defending Free	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>>> >> Software licensing, in particular the GPL.	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>>> >> https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/dec/24/private-internet-access-match/	Jan 17 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org \| Conservancy announces funding match by Private Internet Access - Software Freedom Conservancy [ http://ur1.ca/ofa54 ]		Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>>> >> They have a matching programme in effect through the end of the month,	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>>> >> so current donations count double until then.	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>> > If ever we have financial problems in tuxmachines and techrights (wife	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>> > and I work for the same employer, so it's volatile) I hope that readers	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	>> > who benefit from both would be willing to jump to our rescue...	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	> I hope so. Both TM and TR have large reader populations. TM has grown	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	> a lot since your wife and you took it over.	Jan 17 15:35
schestowitz	Yes, we needed to add varnish, 16 GB of RAM to the back end, and other things to cope with the growing load, which is still increasing (I haven't blogged about it there for a while, lack of time, may look like showfoff)	Jan 17 15:36
schestowitz	Susan told me/expressed to me a certain occasional regret that she had sold the site, but she trusts it in our hands. Rianne works really hard to keep it up to date and make it FASTER (to pick emerging news) than any other news site. Now sure everyone really appreciated it. And she isn't doing it for money, she's like me...	Jan 17 15:36
schestowitz	I didn't even have to 'incite' her against Microsoft to make her hate Microsoft. She learned that on her own. She really hates Apple too, maybe more than I do...	Jan 17 15:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RockWork Project Provides Amazing Pebble	Jan 17 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	Support on Ubuntu Touch https://t.co/t15vYzTfad	Jan 17 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 17 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa8e	Jan 17 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| RockWork Project Provides Amazing Pebble Support on Ubuntu Touch		Jan 17 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Still Has the Best and Most	Jan 17 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	Complete App Permissions	Jan 17 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/JE93ZqsrYu (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 17 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa8f	Jan 17 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch Still Has the Best and Most Complete App Permissions		Jan 17 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Yes, Mesa Is Working Towards GLVND Support	Jan 17 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/H72U1SIGoJ (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa8g	Jan 17 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Yes, Mesa Is Working Towards GLVND Support - Phoronix		Jan 17 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/SDz80iYubk	Jan 17 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa8i	Jan 17 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/I6rEK7LFLW	Jan 17 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa8j	Jan 17 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch App Permissions, RockWork	Jan 17 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Vjeiiyt7Mx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa8k	Jan 17 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch App Permissions, RockWork \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 15:54
*TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu Touch App Permissions, RockWork https://t.co/Vjeiiyt7Mx'		Jan 17 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Features & Changes Merged So Far For The Linux	Jan 17 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	4.5 Kernel https://t.co/Cea89gXhNg	Jan 17 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa8q	Jan 17 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Features & Changes Merged So Far For The Linux 4.5 Kernel - Phoronix		Jan 17 15:56
*TweetTuxMachines @ptheoiasptk retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu Touch Still Has the Best and Most...'		Jan 17 16:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Play Store Now Has a Category for	Jan 17 16:05
TweetTuxMachines	Android Wear https://t.co/fOAtqfXO81	Jan 17 16:05
TweetTuxMachines	(neurogadget.com)	Jan 17 16:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa9t	Jan 17 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neurogadget.com \| Google Play Store Now Has a Category for Android Wear - Neurogadget.com		Jan 17 16:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AsteroidOS: Open source smartwatch operating	Jan 17 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	system that can replace Android Wear (on some	Jan 17 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	watches) https://t.co/aetLrTcnT9	Jan 17 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	(liliputing.com)	Jan 17 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaav	Jan 17 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liliputing.com \| AsteroidOS: Open source smartwatch operating system that can replace Android Wear (on some watches) - Liliputing		Jan 17 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 12 Years After Launch, The GeForce 6 Can Still	Jan 17 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	Run On Modern Linux Distributions	Jan 17 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Z84lSkxZgJ (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaaw	Jan 17 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| 12 Years After Launch, The GeForce 6 Can Still Run On Modern Linux Distributions - Phoronix		Jan 17 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines First Krita 3.0 pre-alpha!	Jan 17 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/tgoXdUG3Zk (krita.org)	Jan 17 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaax	Jan 17 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org \| First Krita 3.0 pre-alpha! \| Krita		Jan 17 16:13
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MinceR	"Red Hat are a fine vendor of honeypots, but I'm not quite sure why people	Jan 17 16:37
MinceR	use it as an operating system."	Jan 17 16:37
MinceR	- pndc in irc.scsys.co.uk#chat	Jan 17 16:37
sebsebseb	MinceR: bonjour	Jan 17 16:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 2016 Has Been Off To A Great Start For	Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	Open-Source & Linux https://t.co/bk4baUdKfh	Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaen	Jan 17 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| 2016 Has Been Off To A Great Start For Open-Source & Linux - Phoronix		Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines High Performance computing and parallel	Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	computing amateur linux test lab	Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oy57uPCX1R	Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	(bsdpunk.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaeo	Jan 17 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsdpunk.blogspot.co.uk \| BSD Punk: High Performance computing and parallel computing amateur linux test lab		Jan 17 16:48
MinceR	sebsebseb: aloha	Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS 2.0 "Brewmaster" 1080p Review - The	Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	First Update in 2016: OS For Gamers From Valve	Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SdfzfcNUSv (www.youtube.com)	Jan 17 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaep	Jan 17 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| SteamOS 2.0 "Brewmaster" 1080p Review - The First Update in 2016: OS For Gamers From Valve - YouTube		Jan 17 16:48
sebsebseb	MinceR: I am happy :)	Jan 17 16:51
oiaohm	MinceR: I don't like redhat blind trust when with Debian you do have means to look under the hood of the QA process to see what is happening and what is not happening.	Jan 17 16:59
MinceR	well, i've seen enough of that too	Jan 17 17:00
oiaohm	MinceR: some distrobutions I don't like because it what QA process.	Jan 17 17:01
oiaohm	https://reproducible.debian.net/reproducible.html this is coming along nicely.	Jan 17 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://reproducible.debian.net/reproducible.html )		Jan 17 17:08
MinceR	but for what	Jan 17 17:10
MinceR	it's still lendows	Jan 17 17:10
MinceR	and even if they unfucked that, you could still count on them to pull the platform out from under you when rathat tells their gnomes to whistle	Jan 17 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Superpowers, a HTML5 development environment	Jan 17 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	for 2D & 3D games now open source	Jan 17 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Q8pKFera6x (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 17 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofahm	Jan 17 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Superpowers, a HTML5 development environment for 2D & 3D games now open source \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 17 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics (Coreboot, Linux	Jan 17 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	4.5, Nvidia, Mesa) https://t.co/75Cb08mJTv	Jan 17 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofahn	Jan 17 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics (Coreboot, Linux 4.5, Nvidia, Mesa) \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/Pov9lGRDb1	Jan 17 17:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 17:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaho	Jan 17 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 17:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming (OmniBus, SteamOS 2.0,	Jan 17 17:16
TweetTuxMachines	Superpowers) https://t.co/LAM1ocpbnT	Jan 17 17:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 17:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofahp	Jan 17 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming (OmniBus, SteamOS 2.0, Superpowers) \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 17:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/688841709166407680	Jan 17 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: Fantastic read if you care about security in the buffer: #heartbleed #ssh https://t.co/bwmqIpl3ze		Jan 17 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Things I learned from #OpenSSH about reading very sensitive files https://t.co/8ib323B4IO		Jan 17 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE (KDE PIM, Krita, FreeBSD Builds)	Jan 17 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sLnSe3mhLf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaij	Jan 17 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: KDE (KDE PIM, Krita, FreeBSD Builds) \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/1MU1o33oDA	Jan 17 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaik	Jan 17 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 17:24
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'RockWork Project Provides Amazing Pebble Support on Ubuntu...'		Jan 17 17:35
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Still Has the Best and Most...'		Jan 17 17:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Testing DDR3 and DDR4 RAM performance on Linux	Jan 17 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4rWFPg0kaE (www.rkblog.rk.edu.pl)	Jan 17 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofalr	Jan 17 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rkblog.rk.edu.pl \| Testing DDR3 and DDR4 RAM performance on Linux		Jan 17 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Popular Android-based Remix OS Violate GPL	Jan 17 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	and Apache License	Jan 17 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wyafbxms8v (tlhp.ml)	Jan 17 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofals	Jan 17 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tlhp.ml \| The Popular Android-based Remix OS Violate GPL and Apache License – The Linux Homefront Project		Jan 17 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE and Google Summer of Code 2015 Wrapup	Jan 17 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/9MpFhr2iN8 (dot.kde.org)	Jan 17 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofalt	Jan 17 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org \| KDE and Google Summer of Code 2015 Wrapup \| KDE.news		Jan 17 17:49
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MinceR	you don't have anything more to say? :>	Jan 17 18:13
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schestowitz		Jan 17 18:33
schestowitz	MinceR: just tries to get attention to get things started, I think	Jan 17 18:33
schestowitz	seeing who else is active, like a silent ping	Jan 17 18:34
*MinceR pongs so silently you never find out about it		Jan 17 18:34
schestowitz	[12:18] <msb_> oiaohm: No, you are a brain-damaged sick fuck who doesn't know, and probably never can know, what psychedelic consciousness is.	Jan 17 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.5 DRM Pull Has Initial Kabylake	Jan 17 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	Support, Open-Source Vivante 3D	Jan 17 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/cq4f0PYymg (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofar8	Jan 17 18:35
schestowitz	msb_: you're being extremely rude	Jan 17 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux 4.5 DRM Pull Has Initial Kabylake Support, Open-Source Vivante 3D - Phoronix		Jan 17 18:35
schestowitz	[12:24] <msb_> Go kill yourself.	Jan 17 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remix OS GPL Violations and More Android	Jan 17 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	Leftovers https://t.co/mnqNaHyYjh	Jan 17 18:35
schestowitz	msb_: take your pills	Jan 17 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofarc	Jan 17 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Remix OS GPL Violations and More Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Testing DDR3 and DDR4 RAM performance on Linux	Jan 17 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vdkGIbJBTv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofare	Jan 17 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Testing DDR3 and DDR4 RAM performance on Linux \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 18:35
schestowitz	[10:09] <cubexyz> archive.org might even have entire isssues of Dr Dobbs magazines	Jan 17 18:36
schestowitz	yes, but it's not indexed like most sites	Jan 17 18:36
schestowitz	so it's not really competing with them	Jan 17 18:36
schestowitz	and I think they don't mind such subservient archiving, like cloudflare but long-term	Jan 17 18:37
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msb_	schestowitz: I don't have any pills. oiaohm is stalking me here, and keeps repeating that Linux needs systemd, that police hitting people on the head with heavy clubs is the best method of controlling people (would Ian Murdock think so?), and that cannabis causes brain damage, and that anyone who sells cannabis with more than 1% THC should get the death penalty from the govt. Anything I post about, most recently CPUs, oiaohm pops up	Jan 17 18:43
msb_	and disagrees with. I told oiaohm to stop using my nick in his posts, but he says he will keep on doing it, so I lost my temper. Please tell him to stop stalking me.	Jan 17 18:44
oiaohm	msb_: I was in this channel before you.	Jan 17 18:45
msb_	That does not give you the right to stalk and harass me.	Jan 17 18:46
oiaohm	msb_: and it not like I have not provided the links on the cannabis doing brain damage.	Jan 17 18:46
oiaohm	Like it or not that is documented fact include the chemical responsable.	Jan 17 18:46
schestowitz	why is cannabis even discussed in a technical channel?	Jan 17 18:48
schestowitz	systemd -- fine!	Jan 17 18:48
oiaohm	The fact that is a techical channel as well says if you bring up something like cannabis you really should know what chemical in it does what. THC is used to kill cancer cells because its a cell killer. CDB is used with it to protect heathly cells from being harmed. Cancer studies showed where the safe cannabis is.	Jan 17 18:54
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schestowitz	hey sebsebseb	Jan 17 19:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.5 DRM Pull Has Initial Kabylake	Jan 17 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	Support, Open-Source Vivante 3D	Jan 17 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/gJZIWMZtHL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofawx	Jan 17 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.5 DRM Pull Has Initial Kabylake Support, Open-Source Vivante 3D \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/yONAQ01p5j	Jan 17 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofawy	Jan 17 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "the Chakra Project kindly informs all users of	Jan 17 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	the Chakra GNU/Linux operating system about the	Jan 17 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	latest KDE" https://t.co/BrC0q8T3FY	Jan 17 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 17 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofawz	Jan 17 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Chakra GNU/Linux Gets KDE Plasma 5.5.3, KDE Apps 15.12.1 and KDE Frameworks 5.18.0		Jan 17 19:12
MinceR	"hack into your brain like a chemical black hat / Game Genie but for life, fucking haters call it hazmat!"	Jan 17 19:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Linux to Offer Faster Package Downloads,	Jan 17 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	User Guide Updated https://t.co/4SjQOwGUGy	Jan 17 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) https://t.co/3c60jpwTYi	Jan 17 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	(solus-project.com)	Jan 17 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Linux to Offer Faster Package Downloads, User Guide Updated		Jan 17 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofay9	Jan 17 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-solus-project.com \| This Week in Solus – Install #18 \| Solus Project		Jan 17 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Back to basics with Kwort 4.3	Jan 17 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bNLhk5XO6S (distrowatch.com)	Jan 17 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofayb	Jan 17 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.		Jan 17 19:20
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Linux to Offer Faster Package Downloads, User...'		Jan 17 19:20
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '"the Chakra Project kindly informs all users of...'		Jan 17 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SMPlayer 16.1.0 Free Video Player Adds Better	Jan 17 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	Support for VEVO Videos on YouTube	Jan 17 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Qxc9inMLEr (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 17 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofayt	Jan 17 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| SMPlayer 16.1.0 Free Video Player Adds Better Support for VEVO Videos on YouTube		Jan 17 19:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BeataSamson/status/688881403325472768 https://twitter.com/BeataSamson/status/688881824987230208	Jan 17 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BeataSamson: @schestowitz Isn't it an understatement? Trump's strategy works. That's all.		Jan 17 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BeataSamson: @schestowitz If were you I would go through the previous tweets by @rupertmurdoch		Jan 17 19:37
schestowitz	His network all along promoted Rump. Did he ever say anything to refute this?	Jan 17 19:38
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BeataSamson/status/688883600427773952	Jan 17 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BeataSamson: @schestowitz He mentioned no foreign policy experience as far as I remember @rupertmurdoch		Jan 17 19:45
schestowitz	This and many other things, but alas, Fox 'news' supports Rump and ignores many other GOP candidates	Jan 17 19:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/688885106015076352	Jan 17 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@BeataSamson @rupertmurdoch This and many other things, but alas, Fox 'news' supports Rump and ignores many other GOP candidates		Jan 17 19:46
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cubexyz	wasn't too pleased to see this on fossforce:	Jan 18 01:59
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/dun-dun-dun-fossforce-microsoft-ad.png	Jan 18 01:59
msb_	Fossforce is either ignorant or bought. Not long ago it had an article by one of their staff writers about how he was switching from Linux to BSD because Linus Torvalds was too harsh in his criticism of kernal programmers. IOW he was backing one of the big attacks on Linux: 1. systemd 2. UEFI 3. KDE5/Plasma 4. SJW attack on Linus.	Jan 18 02:40
cubexyz	Torvalds can be pretty harsh	Jan 18 02:40
msb_	But he's improved a lot lately in response to the criticisms.	Jan 18 02:41
cubexyz	they could have locked out microsoft domains from adsense	Jan 18 02:42
cubexyz	I suggested that, but they didn't agree	Jan 18 02:42
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cubexyz	I may drop adsense completely	Jan 18 02:43
cubexyz	I find it usually takes people around 10 years to really change their thinking	Jan 18 02:44
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cubexyz	many times I've made suggestions that were initially ignored, but people do mull it over	Jan 18 02:44
cubexyz	it took me 9 years from my initial use of linux in 1994 to make Linux my main OS	Jan 18 02:45
cubexyz	people didn't really choose windows either	Jan 18 02:47
cubexyz	it was just there	Jan 18 02:47
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msb_	There is one phenomenon that causes all the problems of humanity -- a social/psychological illness cause by stress in childhood. It is so ubiquitous that people aren't aware of it, like fish being unaware of water. Wilhelm Reich characterized it and called it The Emotional Plague. For this he was imprisoned by the US govt and murdered.	Jan 18 02:51
msb_	The Plague is the cause of microsoft, apple, mass murders (wars), enormous income inequality, widespread starvation, etc.	Jan 18 02:52
msb_	Try getting people to understand _that_!	Jan 18 02:53
msb_	cause->caused	Jan 18 02:53
cubexyz	I think people are aware of income inequality	Jan 18 02:54
msb_	Yes, but they are not aware of this ubiquitous illness that causes people to be unkind to each other.	Jan 18 02:55
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msb_	It propagates to each new generation because of emotional maltreatment of children by Plague-programmed parents, and also Plague-inspired cultural elements like JCI religion/the "bible" and predatory capitalism.	Jan 18 02:58
cubexyz	do you think people are more selfish than say 50 years ago?	Jan 18 03:00
cubexyz	does society value honesty and being truthful?	Jan 18 03:00
cubexyz	just imagine being kind and nice and still being kicked in the arse	Jan 18 03:01
cubexyz	Kali Yuga :)	Jan 18 03:04
msb_	People can throw off the Plague by becoming aware of it and how it affects their thinking and behavior. Occasionally there are widespread recoveries, like the Renaissance and the 1960s Woodstock Nation with its music, underground newspapers, wholesale food buying clubs, etc.	Jan 18 03:08
msb_	Cannabis was an enormous influence in the creation of the 1960s renaissance. Easy to use safely, it enables the associative/lyrical mind to be active during waking hours. Analogous to lucid dreaming, in which the sequential mind is active during dreams (normally created by the associative mind alone).	Jan 18 03:11
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msb_	" just imagine being kind and nice" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwUGSYDKUxU	Jan 18 03:18
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msb_	Microcomputer pioneers like Steve Wozniak are well-known for their use of psychedelics.	Jan 18 03:35
msb_	The human mind and the influences on it are very relevant to technology.	Jan 18 03:36
msb_	I think that if the psychedelic/political music of the 1960s could be made easily and freely available today, it would have a very beneficial effect on society.	Jan 18 03:39
msb_	Of course it is there if you know where to look for it, but because of copyright it's illegal, and can't be widely publicized.	Jan 18 03:41
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cubexyz	I don't like this silent configure	Jan 18 04:07
msb_	Whazzat?	Jan 18 04:08
msb_	The hidden control program that dominates our entire society?	Jan 18 04:09
cubexyz	configure usually prints out messages immediately	Jan 18 04:10
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cubexyz	but this particular one does tons of calculations first, then barfs out all the messages at the end	Jan 18 04:10
cubexyz	building new ffmpeg for an old Linux	Jan 18 04:10
cubexyz	openbsd ffmpeg doesn't seem to be able to handle rtmp streams	Jan 18 04:12
msb_	A complex program, probably depends on some recent stuff.	Jan 18 04:13
cubexyz	yes the linux lab here has seen some interesting compiles	Jan 18 04:14
cubexyz	I've got one program here... quite a monster, only will compile on one version of gcc	Jan 18 04:15
cubexyz	no one really knows it well now	Jan 18 04:16
cubexyz	the original developers are gone, and refuse to look at the code and will barely acknowledge it even exists	Jan 18 04:17
cubexyz	no, there's no MCP as such :)	Jan 18 04:18
cubexyz	ffmpeg is getting rather big	Jan 18 04:20
msb_	what is that abandoned program?	Jan 18 04:28
cubexyz	a game by cyberlore, quasi-adandoned you could say	Jan 18 04:28
cubexyz	the linux port is somewhat abandoned	Jan 18 04:31
cubexyz	there's a new windows version called Majesty HD	Jan 18 04:31
msb_	Well, you have the source code. What do you want, egg in your beer? (As some old codger used to say when I was a kid.)	Jan 18 04:31
cubexyz	ok, not sure what that expression means	Jan 18 04:32
msb_	It means you have enough that you should be happy.	Jan 18 04:32
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cubexyz	right, but you have to understand that when we got the code we got the game code only	Jan 18 04:33
cubexyz	we didn't get any of the bytecode generators	Jan 18 04:33
cubexyz	so the game was ported to linux ok, but we have to reverse engineer the bytecode tools	Jan 18 04:34
cubexyz	so it's the old story, linux people are playing Majesty HD for windows on wine, and there's no development on a real linux version	Jan 18 04:36
msb_	Well, that gives you a hobby. 8^)	Jan 18 04:38
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msb_	cubexyz: Life is very complicated and there are many things to do. So I take the easy way out. If the game is worth playing, play it in WINE; that's nothing to be ashamed of.	Jan 18 04:46
msb_	What's preventing the further adoption of Linux is systemd, not an absence of native games. I think getting rid of systemd is the most important thing to work on,	Jan 18 04:47
cubexyz	there's no new missions	Jan 18 04:47
cubexyz	I bet the new windows developers don't have the bytecode generators either	Jan 18 04:48
msb_	I just told you the most important mission!	Jan 18 04:48
cubexyz	ummm	Jan 18 04:48
cubexyz	ok, slackware 14.2 beta 1 does NOT have systemd	Jan 18 04:50
cubexyz	I'd suggest keep checking http://without-systemd.org	Jan 18 04:51
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cubexyz	so slackware and slackware derivatives like vector linux	Jan 18 04:52
cubexyz	my last blog post actually talked about this	Jan 18 04:52
msb_	Wiki says slack has no repositories. Where do users get the packages from?	Jan 18 04:53
cubexyz	of course slack has repos :)	Jan 18 04:54
cubexyz	I use them a lot	Jan 18 04:54
cubexyz	where does it say slack has no repos?	Jan 18 04:54
msb_	"The project does not maintain a public code repository. "	Jan 18 04:55
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware	Jan 18 04:55
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cubexyz	ok, strictly speaking I am using vector repos	Jan 18 04:56
cubexyz	I'm not using baseline slackware	Jan 18 04:56
cubexyz	http://mirrors.slackware.com/slackware/slackware-12.1/	Jan 18 04:59
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msb_	You're two whole versions behind?	Jan 18 05:00
cubexyz	I have a machine that has tons of development work on it	Jan 18 05:00
cubexyz	other machines get newer distros	Jan 18 05:00
msb_	Well, however slack works, I'm sure I could use it, but I doubt that the average windows bumpkin could.	Jan 18 05:01
msb_	Also, it has exactly one developer, so if he has a microwave-induced heart attack, it's gone.	Jan 18 05:02
cubexyz	there has to be more than one	Jan 18 05:03
cubexyz	I haven't really talked to them but I know there's probably about 10 besides Volkering	Jan 18 05:04
cubexyz	plus the people who work on vector	Jan 18 05:04
msb_	Yes, wiki mentions a couple of others.	Jan 18 05:04
cubexyz	a lot of the time the distro maintainers are merely making sure that all the packages work as expected	Jan 18 05:05
msb_	There are 300 people in ##slackware. That's encouraging.	Jan 18 05:07
cubexyz	slackware is the oldest active distro	Jan 18 05:07
cubexyz	probably has a lot of oldtimers (old being relative)	Jan 18 05:07
cubexyz	slack 14.2 isn't going to have systemd	Jan 18 05:08
msb_	I'll have to submit evidence of beardlength.	Jan 18 05:08
cubexyz	so when 14.2 comes out in its final form, I'll probably upgrade	Jan 18 05:08
msb_	Has Volkerding promised to avoid systemd?	Jan 18 05:09
cubexyz	no he hasn't promised	Jan 18 05:09
msb_	explicitly?	Jan 18 05:09
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msb_	Are the packages binary or do they all have to be compiled?	Jan 18 05:10
cubexyz	in vector the packages are binary, pretty sure it's the same in slackware proper	Jan 18 05:12
cubexyz	I don't see any simple way to avoid windows completely for non technical people besides chromebooks/boxes	Jan 18 05:14
cubexyz	of course there's Mac OS X	Jan 18 05:14
msb_	Why can't ex-windows people use a good Linux?	Jan 18 05:15
cubexyz	well they can.... I just don't think they will	Jan 18 05:15
cubexyz	I've dealt with a lot of customers who are mentally entrenched on windows	Jan 18 05:16
msb_	Anyhow, Volkerding has not sworn off systemd. I just asked in irc.	Jan 18 05:16
oiaohm	I can answer why ex-windows people cannot just use Linux.	Jan 18 05:19
oiaohm	1 Vendor lockin.	Jan 18 05:20
cubexyz	can not is wrong, it's will not	Jan 18 05:20
cubexyz	of course they can	Jan 18 05:20
cubexyz	and it's stupid to flock to Mac OS X, in my opinion	Jan 18 05:20
oiaohm	Mac OS X has photoshop and more complete MS Office.	Jan 18 05:21
oiaohm	Vendor Lockin done by government departments are other places become a major problem.	Jan 18 05:21
cubexyz	I'm talking about your own personal computer	Jan 18 05:22
cubexyz	that's why I write foss-matrix.txt, so people would know what to avoid	Jan 18 05:22
oiaohm	cubexyz: submitting ones own tax return in particular countries require Windows software.	Jan 18 05:22
oiaohm	That includes where I live.	Jan 18 05:22
cubexyz	oiaohm, middleware should solve that problem	Jan 18 05:22
cubexyz	I do my taxes on firefox online no problem	Jan 18 05:23
cubexyz	as long as you can use the browser I see no problem	Jan 18 05:23
oiaohm	cubexyz: Australia tax office does not have a online option yet to use browser.	Jan 18 05:23
oiaohm	And it not the only country like this.	Jan 18 05:24
oiaohm	Insanity is OS X and Linux users in Australia get to write off a copy of MS Windows todo their tax return with.	Jan 18 05:24
oiaohm	Now that is only 1 field. To use particular Ebook publishers/print shops they demard the usage of closed source windows/os x only software.	Jan 18 05:25
cubexyz	http://www.etax.com.au	Jan 18 05:25
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cubexyz	maybe that's a service though	Jan 18 05:26
cubexyz	In Canada I've been filing tax returns for a while	Jan 18 05:27
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is a third party provided service not the governement. So your tax return done that way is not linked to your my gov login.	Jan 18 05:27
cubexyz	since 2009 at least	Jan 18 05:27
oiaohm	cubexyz: being linked to your my gov login is required to avoid pention payments and other things screwing up.	Jan 18 05:28
oiaohm	cubexyz: lets just say the Australian system has many people over a barrel and it suxs.	Jan 18 05:28
oiaohm	So the vendor lockings are serous problems.	Jan 18 05:29
cubexyz	I am seeing a lot of complaints	Jan 18 05:29
cubexyz	oiaohm, you should complain to your government	Jan 18 05:34
cubexyz	it's 2016 after all	Jan 18 05:34
cubexyz	it's cited here that ATO spent AU $45 million on etax so it would work on windows, mac, linux, mobile and web platforms	Jan 18 05:36
oiaohm	cubexyz: as I said currently. I know they are working on it and I have been complaining for the past 20 years.	Jan 18 05:39
oiaohm	Problem one for people failing to migratate is still these stupid vendor lockin things.	Jan 18 05:40
oiaohm	2 Linux inconsistyancy. Simple things like the default font that all applications should use to show text not defined to be in a single location.	Jan 18 05:42
oiaohm	This inconsistency comes as a cultural shock to Windows users.	Jan 18 05:43
oiaohm	3 Windows users expecting almost complete GUI configuration and Linux being still for configuring drivers and other thing still very command line/console.	Jan 18 05:44
oiaohm	cubexyz: so a very big case of culture shock when they migrate.	Jan 18 05:44
cubexyz	I seem to remember the human race working before windows existed	Jan 18 05:45
cubexyz	you're making it sound like people are so brain washed that they can't function without windows	Jan 18 05:46
oiaohm	One of the reason why I see the possibility Android getting more market share on desktop than general Linux is that the last 2 issues are addressed in Android yet not address in something like debian/ubuntu	Jan 18 05:46
cubexyz	it's all just programming	Jan 18 05:46
cubexyz	now no datasheets for chips, that's a problem	Jan 18 05:47
cubexyz	secret protocols, that sort of thing does worry me	Jan 18 05:47
oiaohm	cubexyz: of course number 4 is hardware compatibility.	Jan 18 05:47
cubexyz	but assuming you have the datasheets for the chips, it's all just programming	Jan 18 05:47
oiaohm	Like it stupid that closed source Nvidia/AMD drivers on Linux expose less opengl function than Windows or OS X drivers for the same card.	Jan 18 05:48
cubexyz	hardware compatibility seems to be to be a highly artificial thing	Jan 18 05:48
oiaohm	Those 4 cover fairly much all the reason why a Windows user to Linux user migration goes south.	Jan 18 05:49
cubexyz	everything operates on international standards... everything	Jan 18 05:49
cubexyz	Microsoft tries to muck that up	Jan 18 05:49
oiaohm	Also there has been the stupidity under Linux install Nvidia or AMD/ATI closed source drivers and have them replace the libopengl where under windows they would proxy under Microsoft common opengl and direct x libraries.	Jan 18 05:50
cubexyz	I think radeon is all open source	Jan 18 05:51
oiaohm	cubexyz: depends on the card.	Jan 18 05:51
oiaohm	Some radeon cards still don't work with the open source drivers.	Jan 18 05:51
oiaohm	Yes multi GPU not working under X11 was not the X11 server alone but mostly how closed source drivers installed under Linux.	Jan 18 05:52
oiaohm	So in the hardware side Linux does have some horrible issues that need addressing.	Jan 18 05:52
cubexyz	oiaohm, you can't say windows is this perfect thing with no problems because I see people with windows problems every day	Jan 18 05:53
cubexyz	major computer stopping issues, not just small stuff	Jan 18 05:54
oiaohm	Of course if you go out and buy hardware to match Linux instead of attempt to recycling pre existing random-ally compatible improves stuff a lot.	Jan 18 05:54
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-botch-up.txt	Jan 18 05:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: I have not said Windows is without it problems.	Jan 18 05:54
cubexyz	I'd say it's worse than linux	Jan 18 05:55
cubexyz	I don't even want to touch windows	Jan 18 05:55
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cubexyz	ok, back in a few mins	Jan 18 05:55
cubexyz	got to put out the recycling...	Jan 18 05:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: level of Windows problems is making Android, ChromeOS and OS X very tempting to users. Of course I wish I could say general Linux Desktop was at the same level of user tempation.	Jan 18 06:07
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cubexyz	wow the ffmpeg compile actually worked (after a few adjustments)	Jan 18 06:14
oiaohm	cubexyz: really Microsoft for home users who are using windows 7 and 8.1 pushing out updates that remove settings that prevent the update to 10 nag screens.	Jan 18 06:15
oiaohm	I somehow thing Microsoft is over estemating how much their users will tollerate.	Jan 18 06:16
oiaohm	thing/think	Jan 18 06:16
msb_	Linux computers have been put into public libraries, and people come in and use them and don't even know they're not using windows. Probably most of them don't even know what an OS is.	Jan 18 06:24
msb_	Give them a good gui like kde3.5.10 and they just use what they see and compensate for any differences from what they're used to.	Jan 18 06:25
oiaohm	msb_: difference here public space setups like that people are not attempting to be administrator themselves. Yes a lot of cost savings can be done in business due to that fact.	Jan 18 06:28
msb_	Yes, installation is harder, but local Linux User Groups will usually to that for free if you bring the computer to a meeting. Then teach them how to use irc and where their distro channel is, and they should be ok.	Jan 18 06:30
msb_	to->do	Jan 18 06:31
oiaohm	msb_: that is the problem in places Like Australia that is spread out small towns and cities. Lots and lots of places don't have local Linux User Groups.	Jan 18 06:31
oiaohm	So interface does need to improve as it is being a barrier.	Jan 18 06:32
msb_	Then get on the phone and talk them thru it.	Jan 18 06:33
oiaohm	To be truthful a lot of places you are luck to have a decent phone line let alone internet still in Australia.	Jan 18 06:34
oiaohm	msb_: talking someone through a computer problem one a phone that sounds like you are in a major echo chamber is no fun.	Jan 18 06:36
oiaohm	So OS that is relieable and straight forward to configure with all major need documentation and walk throughs included would have a serous place in the world still.	Jan 18 06:37
oiaohm	I know some rural places that switched to Libreoffice from MS Office simply due to current libreoffice having proper offline help and current MS Office wanting todo everything on-line what is no help when internet connection is unstable.	Jan 18 06:39
oiaohm	For some reason ADSL does not like phone lines running above ground exposed regular near by lightning storms.	Jan 18 06:40
oiaohm	msb_: this is a sad but true fact. If your phone line is damaged under ground in australia you might end up with an above ground bipass for 3 years before a crew gets to you to dig the cable back into the ground properly.	Jan 18 06:41
oiaohm	So forget the idea of dependable phone line/internet.	Jan 18 06:41
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msb_	oiaohm: Everything I say, you come up with some reason why it won't work I say help someone install Linux over the phone, you say Oz doesn't have functional phones. What I said works for almost everybody. OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 06:51
oiaohm	I just gave you the real conditions I have to deal with. Even in a capital city here it taken 3 years to get a phone line to a house properly fixed.	Jan 18 06:54
oiaohm	msb_: this is not stalking you. This is more pointing out that the real world conditions are not very clean at all.	Jan 18 06:55
oiaohm	Due to what real world conditions are there is a serous need for operating systems that are simpler to setup and maintain.	Jan 18 06:57
oiaohm	Why is Australia phone system such a mess. Someone drank the cool aid that making phone services run by private companies would some how improve effenency. Result is a system that has very poor maintainance responses.	Jan 18 06:59
oiaohm	msb_: the problem here you are suggesting bandade solutions then claim hey that will work for everyone. Failing to understand what you suggesting use to work in Australia and due to 1 change the privatisation of phone systems without suitable regulation of quality does not work.	Jan 18 07:07
msb_	oiaohm: What I said works for almost everybody. OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:08
oiaohm	If you class working is 1/6 of the global population.	Jan 18 07:09
oiaohm	Sorry almost everyone is not in fact true msb_	Jan 18 07:09
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:10
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oiaohm	msb_: this is not stalking you. This is a techincal channel and you keep on saying stuff that does not in fact match up to reality.	Jan 18 07:10
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:10
oiaohm	That 1/6 number is reality for the idea of phone support.	Jan 18 07:11
oiaohm	msb_: and if anyone else had said the same bogus I would have pulled them up as well. I am not treating you different to anyone else.	Jan 18 07:13
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:13
oiaohm	msb_: stop accusing me of something I am absolutley not doing.	Jan 18 07:14
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:14
oiaohm	Have you not noticed I have pulled schestowitz, cubexyz and others up for also bogus stuff.	Jan 18 07:15
oiaohm	You happen to be here you happen to say a wrong fact I pull you up end of story.	Jan 18 07:16
oiaohm	msb_: putting your name first comes out of doing support in #winehq and other places and having to answer 5 to 6 people at once at times. So it comes a habit and its a normal IRC habit.	Jan 18 07:17
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:18
oiaohm	msb_: Repeatily saying that will not make it true.	Jan 18 07:18
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:19
oiaohm	msb_: if anyone stalking anyone its you stalking me. Do I bring up over and over again so called mistakes you have made as you have been attempting to do on me.	Jan 18 07:19
oiaohm	msb_: I correct you then let it slide.	Jan 18 07:19
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:19
oiaohm	msb_: reality stop STALKING ME	Jan 18 07:20
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:20
oiaohm	I know what the problem is msb_ is not in fact in all the related channels to see that error correction is normal.	Jan 18 07:22
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:22
oiaohm	schestowitz: I know you don't do it often but I do think msb_ needs a lesson in the rules of do not spam to attempt to win a point.	Jan 18 07:24
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:24
oiaohm	msb_: I would recommend you go and reed freenode behaviour policy because what you are doing now can get you klined from services.	Jan 18 07:26
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 07:26
oiaohm	msb_: https://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml << "Avoid highlighting and repetition. Words and sentences in all-uppercase, heavy use of highlighting, beeping (^G) on public channels, repeating the same lines over and over--all of these behaviors irritate people and raise the channel temperature."	Jan 18 07:31
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oiaohm	msb_: so what you are currently doing like it or not is breach of channel behaviour rules.	Jan 18 07:32
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE!	Jan 18 07:32
oiaohm	msb_: Read the line in the rules. All-uppercase is to be avoided. Freenode has rules and everything I have done is inside the rules. About time you learn to stick to the services rules as well.	Jan 18 07:35
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE!	Jan 18 07:36
oiaohm	Little point please stop accusing me of STALKING as 1 was in this channel long before you. 2 the way I treat you is no different to the way I treat others here to say the same kinds of mistakes 3 I have not attempted to join any other channel you are part of. So there is no STALKING behavour.	Jan 18 07:42
schestowitz	msb_: chill man	Jan 18 07:42
schestowitz	if you don't want to engage with him, don't	Jan 18 07:43
schestowitz	there's no "stalking" afaict	Jan 18 07:43
schestowitz	just take a break, post something linux-related	Jan 18 07:43
schestowitz	let's get back on subject	Jan 18 07:43
schestowitz	not legalisation of some drugs, which puts us at a contentious point anyway...	Jan 18 07:44
msb_	schestowitz: Please ask oiaohm to stop objecting to everything I say, to stop correcting me, to stop telling me how to behave. I have not responded to anything he has said except to tell him to leave me alone and stop stalking me.	Jan 18 07:45
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msb_	schestowitz: In this case I said that windows users could ask a Linux User Group to install Linux on their computer. oiaohm said some countries don't have nearby LUGs. I said then help them over the phone to install it. oiaohm said Australia does not have reliable phone service. See what he's doing? He objects to everything I say. Please ask him to stop.	Jan 18 07:48
oiaohm	msb_: 1 I am a channel op on other channels. So point out miss behaviour as per Free-node rules is normal for me. If I don't I end up with cases of people saying hey you found that acceptable in X channel and you know banned me how could you do that.	Jan 18 07:50
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msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE!	Jan 18 07:51
oiaohm	msb_: not that schestowitz said I am not stalking you.	Jan 18 07:52
oiaohm	not/note	Jan 18 07:52
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE! STOP USING MY NICK IN YOUR POSTS!	Jan 18 07:52
oiaohm	msb_: number 1 it cuts both ways. You are using my oiaohm at start in your posts and then you are accusing me of something I am not doing.	Jan 18 07:54
oiaohm	All I did is what this meant to happen in this channel if a errors are said you are meant to correct them.	Jan 18 07:54
oiaohm	I was clean that I knew what you said did not line up to Australian reality.	Jan 18 07:55
cubexyz	reverting to ffmpeg-0.6.7	Jan 18 07:57
cubexyz	no way fc1 will be able to run new ffmpeg	Jan 18 07:57
oiaohm	cubexyz: there is but you will end up with more back ported libraries than what is sane.	Jan 18 07:58
cubexyz	oiaohm, I think I would have to update glibc	Jan 18 07:59
cubexyz	I don't think I want to try that	Jan 18 07:59
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep custom installing glibc into a special path just for ffmpeg same way you make old loki games work on newer Linux but reversed. As I said possible but insane.	Jan 18 08:00
cubexyz	I'll try this older ffmpeg first	Jan 18 08:00
cubexyz	if it does rtmp streaming then that's good enough	Jan 18 08:00
cubexyz	maybe could I compile ffmpeg statically	Jan 18 08:02
cubexyz	ffplay 0.4.9-pre1 is pretty old	Jan 18 08:03
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oiaohm	cubexyz: not exactly healthy. ffmpeg modular keeps it memory foot print down by unloading libraries when it no longer needs them.	Jan 18 08:06
oiaohm	cubexyz: of course static ffmpeg undoes that. So going static you might be in for a ram usage surprise.	Jan 18 08:07
cubexyz	one time I had a really hard look at libc.a in Unix	Jan 18 08:08
cubexyz	and I discovered something	Jan 18 08:08
cubexyz	part of the source code was missing... it was impossible to rebuild libc.a	Jan 18 08:08
cubexyz	so I built a different libc.a and called it something else	Jan 18 08:09
cubexyz	one guy (Original Unix guy) told me to recreate the missing c files from *.o files	Jan 18 08:10
cubexyz	actually I thought the missing files were assembly language files	Jan 18 08:11
cubexyz	one of the files was even missing from v6	Jan 18 08:12
cubexyz	but it's this arcane thing snstat.s	Jan 18 08:13
cubexyz	no one alive remembers what it even does	Jan 18 08:13
cubexyz	anyways, discounting the arcane snstat.s file, the other three missing files were:	Jan 18 08:15
cubexyz	alloc.s, getpid.s and ladd.s	Jan 18 08:15
cubexyz	ed used getpid to help create the temporary file as a workspace	Jan 18 08:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=bzTAMKnT3YUC&pg=PA399&lpg=PA399&dq=snstat+function&source=bl&ots=MysamjcsHe&sig=BsmL75RwMl6cn09yE7Q9nJfcCD8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilm-6NurPKAhVU5GMKHatVD1IQ6AEIIDAA#v=onepage&q=snstat%20function&f=false	Jan 18 08:22
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oiaohm	cubexyz: I guess snstat is not aligned to Microcontroller Snstat	Jan 18 08:22
cubexyz	coincedence I'd say	Jan 18 08:24
cubexyz	since this snstat is from the PDP-11 world	Jan 18 08:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: snstat in micro controllers trace all the way back to transistor based computers.	Jan 18 08:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: so it would have been something existing in the time of PDP-11.	Jan 18 08:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: but of course that function could be something completely different.	Jan 18 08:25
cubexyz	I have a vague idea what snstat.s is	Jan 18 08:26
cubexyz	It's a C interface to spider status call	Jan 18 08:26
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TweetTuxMachines	You Can Smoke https://t.co/klwBVazpMW	Jan 18 08:27
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cubexyz	I spoke too soon :)	Jan 18 08:34
cubexyz	in fact there is a surviving piece of code after all	Jan 18 08:34
cubexyz	but it's Unix v4 era code	Jan 18 08:35
cubexyz	tiu.c	Jan 18 08:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: you and code grave yard raiding. Really writing a book of the jigsaw could make a good read.	Jan 18 09:06
cubexyz	I'm working on that	Jan 18 09:06
cubexyz	I just wonder if anyone will want to read it :)	Jan 18 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Vendetta Online 1.8.367 3D Space Combat Game	Jan 18 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	Has Better Joystick Support on Linux >	Jan 18 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/R4sxpKpgDK (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 18 09:07
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cubexyz	there is no working Unix v4 as far as I know	Jan 18 09:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "AsteroidOS carries a full GNU/Linux on your	Jan 18 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	wrist" https://t.co/a3DSXyB83k	Jan 18 09:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Goodbye Docker on CentOS. Hello Ubuntu!	Jan 18 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5k2vzEdNqR (www.linux-toys.com)	Jan 18 09:08
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cubexyz	oiaohm, it worked :)	Jan 18 09:17
cubexyz	the old ffmpeg can stream rtmp using ffplay	Jan 18 09:17
cubexyz	now I can stream australian open tennis radio on the old box	Jan 18 09:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689091401385115648	Jan 18 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz @Telegraph Even broken clocks are right at least twice a day.		Jan 18 09:29
schestowitz	At most	Jan 18 09:30
oiaohm	schestowitz: people forget there are such thing as 24 hour clocks.	Jan 18 09:31
XRevan86	(17:30:13) oiaohm: schestowitz: people forget there are such thing as 24 hour clocks.	Jan 18 09:32
XRevan86	or do you mean analog rounded clocks?	Jan 18 09:32
oiaohm	XRevan86: http://ferkeltongs.livejournal.com/36976.html round clock with 24 hours on it instead of the normal 12.	Jan 18 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ferkeltongs.livejournal.com \| Redesigning the analog clock - Tim Hutton [ http://ur1.ca/ofcyy ]		Jan 18 09:33
oiaohm	There are even some pocket watches that are 24 hour not 12.	Jan 18 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/6hKuNWU3Rt	Jan 18 10:05
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XRevan86	oiaohm: I suspect they are less precise than 12 hour ones.	Jan 18 10:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/JGVX2Bd74B	Jan 18 10:05
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XRevan86	Although these days analog clocks are not for accuracy anyway :).	Jan 18 10:06
cubexyz	stupid ffplay	Jan 18 10:19
cubexyz	tell it not to open a display and it does anyway	Jan 18 10:19
XRevan86	cubexyz: X11 display?	Jan 18 10:19
cubexyz	yes	Jan 18 10:20
XRevan86	cubexyz: Can you just DISPLAY= it? %)	Jan 18 10:20
cubexyz	if I try -nodisp and -vn it opens the x11 display anyways	Jan 18 10:20
cubexyz	a blank window	Jan 18 10:20
XRevan86	cubexyz: DISPLAY= ffplay	Jan 18 10:21
XRevan86	It can't open anything that way	Jan 18 10:21
cubexyz	now I get "Could not initialize SDL - No available video device"	Jan 18 10:22
cubexyz	so frustrating	Jan 18 10:24
XRevan86	Hmm, -nodisp worked for mw	Jan 18 10:26
XRevan86	me	Jan 18 10:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: Apparently a bug that was fixed years ago.	Jan 18 10:26
cubexyz	I have to run old on fc1 as you can imagine	Jan 18 10:26
cubexyz	so old ffplay	Jan 18 10:27
cubexyz	if I knew what the bug fix was I could backport it	Jan 18 10:29
cubexyz	it doesn't open an X11 window at all with your version of ffplay?	Jan 18 10:32
MinceR	analog clocks are impractical	Jan 18 10:50
cubexyz	cars have them	Jan 18 10:51
MinceR	not mine	Jan 18 10:54
cubexyz	this isn't some eightysomobile is it? :)	Jan 18 10:55
cubexyz	fixed ffplay :))))))))))	Jan 18 10:56
cubexyz	stupid programmers turn the damned video back on!	Jan 18 10:56
oiaohm	MinceR: 24 hour analogue watch has a practical usage. Point hour hand at sun depending on what hemisphere you are in the 0/24 hour mark is either north or south as long as the watch is on local time. Yes they are fairly simple to set from sun dials as well.	Jan 18 10:56
MinceR	no, nineties	Jan 18 10:58
MinceR	oiaohm: i have digital compasses	Jan 18 10:58
MinceR	also, sun dials won't show you timezone-correct time and they're even less accurate to read	Jan 18 10:58
oiaohm	MinceR: some of the hills I go through digital compasses and gps are fairly much worthless.	Jan 18 10:59
cubexyz	henceforth I will be using ffplay_novideo	Jan 18 11:00
MinceR	oiaohm: what do you do if you can't see the sun?	Jan 18 11:02
MinceR	also, how is GPS worthless there?	Jan 18 11:02
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oiaohm	MinceR: due to the metal shadows in the one area the GPS reads 482 sats when only 4 are over head.	Jan 18 11:03
MinceR	:)	Jan 18 11:03
oiaohm	So basically your GPS bricks.	Jan 18 11:03
oiaohm	All that metal means a magnetic compass is also completely worthless.	Jan 18 11:04
oiaohm	MinceR: Gyro compasses and solar calculated north is all you can use in those horrible areas.	Jan 18 11:06
MinceR	have they started mining there? :>	Jan 18 11:06
oiaohm	The area is not mine-able. The metal shadows are coming from a set of small metal seams caused by historic volcanic activity and it still and actively moving fault line in a mountain range.	Jan 18 11:09
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oiaohm	Of course since it a national park and a few people stupidly believe that GPS is god. You have to go in and get a few idiots out of there every now and again.	Jan 18 11:11
MinceR	lol	Jan 18 11:11
MinceR	and if the sky is overcast, you have to wait until you can use your watches :>	Jan 18 11:12
oiaohm	MinceR: overcast does not prevent you using the shadows.	Jan 18 11:12
MinceR	or use a gyroscope	Jan 18 11:12
MinceR	if the sky is cloudy enough, the shadows become useless	Jan 18 11:12
oiaohm	There is a trick using block quartz that allows you to calibrate unless the weather is really bad.	Jan 18 11:13
oiaohm	MinceR: basically there is a trick to find the sun behind the clouds.	Jan 18 11:14
oiaohm	the quartz trick fails once you look up and you see a storm that is going to be dropping large hail.	Jan 18 11:14
oiaohm	when the quartz block trick fails find solid shelter quickly.	Jan 18 11:15
oiaohm	MinceR: even using the stars a 24 hour watch is useful if you know how to use it.	Jan 18 11:17
MinceR	maybe an ordinary polarizer would suffice	Jan 18 11:19
oiaohm	MinceR: quartz block is a dirty trick. Its not pure quartz its acts as a converter so light freq we cannot see that pass through most clouds to some we can see.	Jan 18 11:25
MinceR	is that IR or UV?	Jan 18 11:27
oiaohm	UV down to optical and a percentage of IR upto optical. So basically both.	Jan 18 11:28
oiaohm	As I said dirty trick. Its not a clean process but its good enough.	Jan 18 11:29
oiaohm	Basically when the cloud is thick enough that UV and IR are not pass though enough the cloud between you and sun is thick and hail bearing. Not safe conditions to be walking in open ground.	Jan 18 11:35
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oiaohm	MinceR: mind you pure quartz does the polariser trick that allows you still to see through clouds to a decent amount. Smart is both. When polariser fails use stone and find nearest shelter.	Jan 18 11:45
MinceR	ic	Jan 18 11:47
oiaohm	Please remember the watch, polarisers, quartz stone, map all don't take batteries and are fairly water proof. the gyro is the only thing you are depending on batteries for.	Jan 18 11:51
oiaohm	MinceR: basically no point going in there if you end up stuck as well due to tech failure.	Jan 18 11:52
oiaohm	Some cases primitive is a really good idea.	Jan 18 11:52
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blog	http://www.computerworld.com/article/3023533/microsoft-windows/microsoft-support-windows-10-new-hardware-itbwcw.html	Jan 18 12:52
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cubexyz	it's all utter shit I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole	Jan 18 13:16
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cubexyz	I couldn't care less if windows 7 or 8 or whatever was supported or not	Jan 18 13:18
cubexyz	the idea that windows 7 or any other version was somehow less shitty is a joke	Jan 18 13:19
cubexyz	because the truth is windows is closed source garbage, all the way back to windows 1.0	Jan 18 13:20
MinceR	exactly	Jan 18 13:21
MinceR	"What's the difference between an Afghani Military Base and a Pakistani Elementary School? I don't know, I just fly the drone"	Jan 18 13:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Black Lab Linux 9 "Diesel" to Be Based...'		Jan 18 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #Ubuntu #Linux beats #IBM and #Microsoft Azure	Jan 18 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	to lucrative AT&T contract	Jan 18 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HvVIjCP3n9 (www.theinquirer.net)	Jan 18 15:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net \| Ubuntu Linux beats IBM and Microsoft Azure to lucrative AT&T contract- The Inquirer		Jan 18 15:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where would we be without Ubuntu	Jan 18 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/gCtzhPZ2NR (www.techrepublic.com)	Jan 18 15:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu's Amazon 'adware' feature to be made opt	Jan 18 15:23
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Jan 18 15:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux gamers shouldn't preorder the Oculus Rift	Jan 18 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	with Linux development on hold	Jan 18 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SXLxlzlGrd (www.pcworld.com)	Jan 18 15:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| Linux gamers shouldn't preorder the Oculus Rift with Linux development on hold \| PCWorld		Jan 18 15:23
*TweetTuxMachines @cloudelicious favourited '#Ubuntu #Linux beats #IBM and #Microsoft Azure to...'		Jan 18 16:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Made Much Progress In 2015 Thanks To	Jan 18 16:07
TweetTuxMachines	Student Developers With GSoC	Jan 18 16:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/689189107877163009 https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/689189402384420864	Jan 18 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz Result! Hoping people start to pay for the value free (as in liberty to study and build with ) code/hardware. ...		Jan 18 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz Ubuntu/Debian had brought priceless value to the community, yet rpm based distros whilst also great, seem to get best buck!		Jan 18 16:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AntiSoftwarePat/status/689193390219628544	Jan 18 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AntiSoftwarePat: @schestowitz Software Patents promotes Patent Trolling		Jan 18 16:15
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schestowitz	http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/deadpool-denied-release-china-due-856627	Jan 18 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Solus 1.0 "Shannon"	Jan 18 16:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Solus 1.0 "Shannon"	Jan 18 16:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mycroft: Linux’s Own AI	Jan 18 16:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Door Kickers 2 strategy game announced, Linux	Jan 18 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	support confirmed too https://t.co/rBNE42VGoI	Jan 18 16:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Door Kickers 2 strategy game announced, Linux support confirmed too \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 18 16:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hit indie game Undertale looks like it's coming	Jan 18 16:27
TweetTuxMachines	to Linux & SteamOS https://t.co/NODwyInFpT	Jan 18 16:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Elo Module accessory brings Android to	Jan 18 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	large-format digital signage	Jan 18 16:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry to launch its first Android	Jan 18 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	smartphone Priv in India on January 28	Jan 18 16:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-timesofindia.indiatimes.com \| BlackBerry to launch its first Android smartphone Priv in India on January 28 - Times of India		Jan 18 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Hacking Apps For Android Phones	Jan 18 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/S856JGFoEB (fossbytes.com)	Jan 18 16:59
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689207127580233728	Jan 18 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz @bastianbest shame that EFF is still promoting software patents instead of fighting for abolishment.		Jan 18 17:06
schestowitz	I saw your article about this and cited it last year, but what about the positive steps, like actions against Texas courts?	Jan 18 17:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jessysaurusrex/status/689117056525012992	Jan 18 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jessysaurusrex: @Snowden @alvarombedoya There is a vast difference between security of citizens and security for the state. More people need to know this.		Jan 18 17:12
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689207845452169217	Jan 18 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz as long as defend https://t.co/Y8b9sxiu9c still believes in reform instead of no SW pat?		Jan 18 17:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Updates For Linux 4.5 Brings	Jan 18 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements For Smack, EVM & TPM	Jan 18 17:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 7 more terrific Android apps you can’t get on	Jan 18 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	the iPhone https://t.co/e1i8XllTcC (bgr.com)	Jan 18 17:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Gets A New Clock Design For Their Suru	Jan 18 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	Visual Language https://t.co/uCP7FPAQFM	Jan 18 17:42
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689227392938852352	Jan 18 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz so is it all open source or just parts? I hope the first but I fear the latter.		Jan 18 18:42
schestowitz	They claim to be FOSS	Jan 18 18:43
schestowitz	MinceR: Sanderstrike https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7rbIIhqUSfXlBq4o/giphy.gif	Jan 18 18:44
schestowitz	Came up with the word, I guess...	Jan 18 18:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689231739714154496	Jan 18 18:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz completely? That's not clear to me.		Jan 18 18:44
schestowitz	Maybe like Jolla/SailfishOS, only some parts	Jan 18 18:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 18/1/2016: AsteroidOS With GNU,	Jan 18 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	NetworkManager 1.2 https://t.co/KhQ6x5N13e	Jan 18 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 18 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofezp	Jan 18 18:47
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 18/1/2016: AsteroidOS With GNU, NetworkManager 1.2 https://t.co/KhQ6x5N13e'		Jan 18 18:47
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689232309103529984	Jan 18 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz hrmpf. Well, I backed them. Let's see how much I get.		Jan 18 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/n5f6UoOLGy	Jan 18 19:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 19:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 18 19:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/UYJHif1NZs	Jan 18 19:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 19:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/H1ymRAZDIx	Jan 18 19:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 19:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/pCEMUuhWyZ	Jan 18 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 19:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 18 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Gets New Mir Update with Fix	Jan 18 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	for Pinch-to-Zoom Reliability	Jan 18 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vnbYrnajOQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 19:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Gets New Mir Update with...'		Jan 18 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Gets New Mir Update with Fix	Jan 18 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	for Pinch-to-Zoom Reliability	Jan 18 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/iQLoPFCKN8 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 18 19:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Gets New Mir Update with Fix for Pinch-to-Zoom Reliability		Jan 18 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GParted 0.25.0 Lands with Progress Bars for	Jan 18 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	EXT4 and NTFS Operations, Bugfixes	Jan 18 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/JeFBWL1wZa (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 18 19:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GParted 0.25.0 Lands with Progress Bars for EXT4 and NTFS Operations, Bugfixes		Jan 18 19:33
*TweetTuxMachines @makersoftech favourited 'Linux gamers shouldn't preorder the Oculus Rift with...'		Jan 18 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Update 2016-01-18 (stable)	Jan 18 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3abjbFCXnO (manjaro.github.io)	Jan 18 19:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-manjaro.github.io \| Manjaro Update 2016-01-18 (stable) – Manjaro Linux – Enjoy the simplicity		Jan 18 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Deepin Takes Linux to New Depths	Jan 18 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/C3EieW0s2D (www.linuxinsider.com)	Jan 18 19:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| Deepin Takes Linux to New Depths \| Reviews \| LinuxInsider		Jan 18 19:38
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GParted 0.25.0 Lands with Progress Bars for EXT4...'		Jan 18 19:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What a Linux User Misses From Windows	Jan 18 19:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vhkrTN4Pgf (www.datamation.com)	Jan 18 19:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/off5b	Jan 18 19:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rescatux 0.40 Beta 5 System Rescue Live CD Out	Jan 18 20:20
TweetTuxMachines	Now with UEFI Boot Support	Jan 18 20:20
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0K13Io0l0o (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 18 20:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Update 2016-01-18 (stable)	Jan 18 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/yR8nCgNGFe (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 20:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where would we be without Ubuntu	Jan 18 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/T0UB6qqtu5 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 20:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Deepin Takes Linux to New Depths	Jan 18 20:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Deepin Takes Linux to New Depths \| Tux Machines		Jan 18 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What a Linux User Misses From Windows	Jan 18 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/M5lfkWNXhW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 21:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rescatux 0.40 Beta 5 System Rescue Live CD Out	Jan 18 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	Now with UEFI Boot Support	Jan 18 21:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Rescatux 0.40 Beta 5 System Rescue Live CD...'		Jan 18 22:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment 0.20.3 Linux Desktop Environment	Jan 18 22:06
TweetTuxMachines	Released with Over 30 Bugfixes	Jan 18 22:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oAUqTiG6lv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 22:06
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msb_	"Enlightenment 0.20.3 DE Released with Over 30 Bugfixes" These announcements don't inspire my confidence. Why did they release version 0.20.2 with more than 30 bugs?	Jan 19 04:42
msb_	I know that excuses can be made. But I think it would be better if they just didn't mention it, or called them "improvements".	Jan 19 04:43
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oiaohm	msb_: really when have you not looked at enlightnment bug list have you. https://phab.enlightenment.org/maniphest/	Jan 19 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://phab.enlightenment.org/maniphest/ )		Jan 19 05:03
msb_	Hey there shit-head. Who would have expected you?	Jan 19 05:04
oiaohm	msb_: Enlightenment has less than 110 bugs total.	Jan 19 05:04
oiaohm	very low for a windows manager/de	Jan 19 05:04
oiaohm	Maybe they should have pushed the fact they had got to such a low bug count.	Jan 19 05:06
oiaohm	msb_: to give you context. https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&content=&no_redirect=0&product=&query_format=specific&order=priority%2Cbug_severity&limit=0 Yep last xfce released with over 2000 open bugs.	Jan 19 05:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.xfce.org \| Bugzilla is pondering your search [ http://ur1.ca/ofgh5 ]		Jan 19 05:09
oiaohm	msb_: point releases on Enlightenment are bugfix releases. Even on Microsoft equal to point releases they list what bugs they have fixed and don't call them improvements either.	Jan 19 05:23
oiaohm	I always find it strange on some of this when projects do on releases as per CERT recommendations listing what issues have been fixed people say hey that looks bad. Never checking context.	Jan 19 05:24
oiaohm	Maybe there need to be more education on how to read release notes so people don't panic without need.	Jan 19 05:25
cubexyz	I prefer using a light wm like icewm	Jan 19 05:30
cubexyz	but I also use parts of KDE	Jan 19 05:30
oiaohm	Yep icewm is also under the 120 bug count.	Jan 19 05:33
cubexyz	oiaohm, I can't think of any icewm bugs	Jan 19 05:33
oiaohm	cubexyz: there is 111 confirmed bugs needing fixes in the last icewm release.	Jan 19 05:33
oiaohm	Of course that does not mean users are commonly going to run into any of them.	Jan 19 05:34
msb_	The sky is blue. Will shit-head argue?	Jan 19 05:35
oiaohm	msb_: please when you start a topic don't but in with crap.	Jan 19 05:37
msb_	Yep!	Jan 19 05:38
oiaohm	Totals in bugs still open when Linux, Windows, OS X, OSi... solutions ship is quite high.	Jan 19 05:39
cubexyz	with windows the whole thing is one giant bug	Jan 19 05:39
cubexyz	I've seen FC1 go over 400 days, and openbsd go over a year	Jan 19 05:42
cubexyz	I never saw a win2k box go 2 months	Jan 19 05:42
oiaohm	msb_: I did show you channel rules for freenode. And I told you I was op in other channels. So doing that crap line was going to get you yelled at for rule breaking.	Jan 19 05:43
cubexyz	essentially linux and bsd are more resilient than windows	Jan 19 05:43
cubexyz	that's based on all my years of experience with operating systems	Jan 19 05:43
msb_	Shit-head is King here. He tells people what to do. Everyone bow down to shit-head.	Jan 19 05:44
oiaohm	Not exactly sure openbsd does have very strict policy on keeping bug counts down.	Jan 19 05:44
oiaohm	msb_: using fowl language in a channel that is not mark as such is an offence that can get you k-lined by freenode ops from the network. So please do improve your language and if you don't please don't complain when you find you cannot log into freenode.	Jan 19 05:45
msb_	Go fsck yourself.	Jan 19 05:46
cubexyz	people swear on freenode all the time	Jan 19 05:47
cubexyz	it's not ideal, but I can't think of any way to stop it	Jan 19 05:47
oiaohm	cubexyz: you do need to be careful particular channels are flagged as having offensive language. So swearing in the right channels is fine.	Jan 19 05:47
cubexyz	flooding is worse than swearing, I'd say	Jan 19 05:48
msb_	He's a psychopath. I'm the target he's chosen to harass.	Jan 19 05:48
cubexyz	flagged how?	Jan 19 05:48
oiaohm	cubexyz: channel registration process.	Jan 19 05:48
cubexyz	I mean if someone came in here and starting talking about xbox and windows and microsoft all the time, then you're going to get cursing	Jan 19 05:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gorgeous Zorin OS 11 Linux Is Now in Beta,	Jan 19 05:49
TweetTuxMachines	Based on Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf)	Jan 19 05:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VQlj9tk6NX (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 05:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofgjc	Jan 19 05:49
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cubexyz	people will incite that type of behaviour	Jan 19 05:49
oiaohm	cubexyz: its luck of draw. If a freenode op happens to be in channel sees bad langauge see no flag on channel allowing it next thing the person can know is kline.	Jan 19 05:50
msb_	No wonder he's aggressively anonymous. I'm probably not the first one he's done this to.	Jan 19 05:50
cubexyz	ok, I think I can live without swearing anyways	Jan 19 05:51
msb_	Don't worry, he won't go after you. He's focussed on me.	Jan 19 05:52
cubexyz	IRC doesn't generally have a high level of etiquette	Jan 19 05:52
cubexyz	this channel used to get spammed by pro-Microsoft people but it hasn't happened much lately	Jan 19 05:53
cubexyz	people get bored and move on	Jan 19 05:53
oiaohm	msb_: https://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml the miss use of the word fsck is written in the guide lines for freenode.	Jan 19 05:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net \| freenode philosophy: channel guidelines		Jan 19 05:53
msb_	Personally, I think that stalking is a lot worse than swearing.	Jan 19 05:54
oiaohm	Serousilly it pays to know the rules of the IRC server you are on.	Jan 19 05:54
cubexyz	are these rules freenode rules or channel rules?	Jan 19 05:54
cubexyz	I guess they must be freenode rules	Jan 19 05:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: those are the rules freenode ops will enforce on channels if they are present. Channel ops are allowed extra rules.	Jan 19 05:55
cubexyz	we should tell people it's all logged as well :)	Jan 19 05:56
cubexyz	oiaohm, /#linux was a very unfriendly place	Jan 19 05:57
oiaohm	cubexyz: this is in the join message from the server "accept our policies as set out on http://www.freenode.net"	Jan 19 05:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freenode.net \| About the Network		Jan 19 05:57
cubexyz	they were very hostile to me when I first went in there	Jan 19 05:57
msb_	What if I put up a web page about him on my website, complete with quotes from him proving everything I say. Would that violate any rules.	Jan 19 05:57
msb_	?	Jan 19 05:57
cubexyz	I always thought of IRC has having almost no rules, except that ops could kick people out of the channel if things got too bad	Jan 19 05:58
oiaohm	If you just want to publish a single conversation, be careful to get permission from each participant. Provide as much context as you can. Avoid the temptation to publish or distribute logs without permission in order to portray someone in a bad light. The reputation you save will most likely be your own.	Jan 19 05:58
msb_	That worked with a psychopath who was stalking me in COLA.	Jan 19 05:58
oiaohm	msb_: that is from policy	Jan 19 05:58
cubexyz	oiaohm, utterly unenforceable	Jan 19 05:59
cubexyz	and we've been logging in here for years	Jan 19 05:59
cubexyz	and it doesn't seem to make us any more polite	Jan 19 05:59
oiaohm	cubexyz: note the word publish.	Jan 19 05:59
msb_	This channel has public archives made by schestowitz.	Jan 19 05:59
cubexyz	swearing in public places is probably against the rules too	Jan 19 06:01
cubexyz	but .... :)	Jan 19 06:01
oiaohm	schestowitz is the channel owner. He has the direct rights to info people its logged and edit logging were required.	Jan 19 06:01
cubexyz	you're not going to jail for swearing	Jan 19 06:01
msb_	So he has already published all of our posts without asking anyone's permission.	Jan 19 06:01
cubexyz	again, how could you ever stop logging?	Jan 19 06:02
cubexyz	you can't	Jan 19 06:02
msb_	I won't even swear on the web page, just quote him on favoring police causing brain injuries and other such horrors.	Jan 19 06:03
cubexyz	just like you can't stop someone from downloading pictures from the web	Jan 19 06:03
cubexyz	the whole system works based on free access	Jan 19 06:03
msb_	"Information wants to be free!"	Jan 19 06:04
cubexyz	there's absolutely no expectation of privacy on people typing text in a public forum like IRC	Jan 19 06:04
cubexyz	the idea is ridiculous	Jan 19 06:05
oiaohm	cubexyz: logging is allowed it publishing is the issue. Taking stuff out of context cause legal problems like deformation.	Jan 19 06:05
cubexyz	I bet there's nothing actionable on IRC whatsoever	Jan 19 06:06
cubexyz	how could you prove the logs are legit? who said what, etc?	Jan 19 06:06
cubexyz	emails you probably could	Jan 19 06:06
oiaohm	cubexyz: there have been 4 cases in the USA over IRC logs published on web pages. Each case the person complaining about it won.	Jan 19 06:06
cubexyz	I'd love to see an example	Jan 19 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Users Will Start Noticing Things Looking More	Jan 19 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	Different on Ubuntu, Says Canonical	Jan 19 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XjKYHedDlQ (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofgkd	Jan 19 06:07
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cubexyz	and I bet there's much more than 4 cases about IRC that were tossed out of court	Jan 19 06:07
cubexyz	like 99.999% of them	Jan 19 06:08
msb_	The more of his context I publish on recommending that cops bash people's brains in and kill them, the worse (and more mentally "deformed") he will look.	Jan 19 06:08
cubexyz	oiaohm, a fair minded jury would tear that argument to pieces	Jan 19 06:08
oiaohm	msb_: and that would be out of context because that strips out a huge stack of other information given.	Jan 19 06:08
cubexyz	"someone else used my nick that wasn't me"	Jan 19 06:09
cubexyz	so easy to fake it's not funny	Jan 19 06:09
oiaohm	Yep another problem.	Jan 19 06:09
msb_	Hell, I'll include everything he said on the subject. It will just make him look like more of a monster.	Jan 19 06:10
oiaohm	IRC is not a trust worthy source.	Jan 19 06:10
oiaohm	So attempt to use it as a source for a website to attack someone is playing on a very dangerous slope.	Jan 19 06:10
cubexyz	maybe with password protected nick you might have something	Jan 19 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gorgeous Zorin OS 11 Linux Is Now in Beta,	Jan 19 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	Based on Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf)	Jan 19 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sd9pI5n1oQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofgkp	Jan 19 06:10
cubexyz	otherwise, no	Jan 19 06:10
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oiaohm	cubexyz: even a password protected nick does not mean it was the person.	Jan 19 06:11
msb_	So you will deny that you said those things?	Jan 19 06:11
cubexyz	yes that's true	Jan 19 06:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment 0.20.3 Linux Desktop Environment	Jan 19 06:11
TweetTuxMachines	Released with Over 30 Bugfixes	Jan 19 06:11
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofgku	Jan 19 06:11
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oiaohm	msb_: question you have called me all kinds of things so why would you think I would not be underhanded?	Jan 19 06:11
msb_	You were underhanded and evil before I called you anything.	Jan 19 06:12
oiaohm	So by that means you have to presume that I would deny those things.	Jan 19 06:13
msb_	doesn't parse	Jan 19 06:14
msb_	So this totally anonymous entity proposes to sue me for quoting him out of context, when I have simply quoted his posts exactly.	Jan 19 06:14
msb_	verbatim	Jan 19 06:15
oiaohm	There is more than 1 person who uses the handle oiaohm	Jan 19 06:15
msb_	In this channel?	Jan 19 06:15
oiaohm	That is for you to guess	Jan 19 06:16
oiaohm	cubexyz the 4 cases I refered to were deformation cases wins. In deformation cases its up to the person who posts the stuff to prove they had it correct. Its not the person who bring deformation charges who has to prove anything.	Jan 19 06:22
oiaohm	cubexyz: so using a untrustworthy source is basically screwed in court.	Jan 19 06:23
msb_	Well, I have posted that the anonymous-thing has said: 1. systemd is good and necessary for Linux 2. THC does not cause the psychedelic state and anyone who sells high-THC cannabis should be put to death by the state 3. Heavy blunt trauma to the head and brain is the best way for cops to control people. And the anonymous-thing here didn't say that he said some of this but not others. So the same person said all of them.	Jan 19 06:25
msb_	I have said all three of those things in a single statement. And he did not deny he said them.	Jan 19 06:26
oiaohm	Again wrong your memory is worthless.	Jan 19 06:27
msb_	But my logs are perfect.	Jan 19 06:27
msb_	And they will match those of Schestowitz.	Jan 19 06:27
oiaohm	I have said THC causes a psycdedelic state it also causes cell death when done in high THC without counter agent.	Jan 19 06:27
oiaohm	And that is medical data.	Jan 19 06:28
msb_	No, you said CBD causes the psychedelic state.	Jan 19 06:28
oiaohm	No I did not. I said CBD increases memory and alertness.	Jan 19 06:29
oiaohm	Basically the two two drugs are doing two different brain alterations.	Jan 19 06:29
msb_	Of course half the time you said "TDP" so who knows.	Jan 19 06:30
oiaohm	I gave links to the medical data because I know I miss type THC	Jan 19 06:30
oiaohm	If you had understood the data you would know high CBD low THC can still cause psychedelic state execpt with lower risk of cell death compared ot High THC.	Jan 19 06:31
msb_	Quote yourself where you said that THC causes the psychedelic state.	Jan 19 06:32
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oiaohm	msb_: but as even you said there are other drugs that don't cause cell death that can cause the same state.	Jan 19 06:32
msb_	I did not say that any of the cannabinoids cause cell death.	Jan 19 06:33
oiaohm	THC is used in cancer treatment because it does trigger cell death.	Jan 19 06:34
oiaohm	Fun part is mulated cells can have removed the means for CBD to protect them.	Jan 19 06:35
msb_	Quote yourself where you said that THC causes the psychedelic state.	Jan 19 06:35
oiaohm	THC also causes depression.	Jan 19 06:35
oiaohm	That other alteranives to it dont	Jan 19 06:36
oiaohm	THC is not a friendly chemical.	Jan 19 06:36
msb_	Quote yourself where you said that THC causes the psychedelic state.	Jan 19 06:36
oiaohm	psychedelic state with depression can equal jump off roof or equal.	Jan 19 06:37
msb_	You can't, because you never said it.	Jan 19 06:37
oiaohm	It was in the links I gave.	Jan 19 06:37
msb_	Yeah, sure.	Jan 19 06:38
oiaohm	No Yeah sure about It I have the complete logs here.	Jan 19 06:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/scruffy_crunch/status/689410107952652288	Jan 19 06:39
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oiaohm	msb_: THC has three side effects. Imparement to memory, depression and psychedelic state caused by the imparment. CDB has 2 major states. Improved memory and Improved mood. So CDB is anti-depression.	Jan 19 06:41
oiaohm	msb_: so you want your THC with enough CDB to counter imparement to memory and depression.	Jan 19 06:43
msb_	Your statement is ridiculous. The psychedelic (mind-manifesting) state is _not_ caused by memory impairment and depression. But if it were, and CDB blocked those effects, then according to you the THC would not have the psychedelic effect.	Jan 19 06:47
oiaohm	Its that you don't understand it. CDB undoing the effects means THC is not as long lasting not that the effect cannot be generated. Issues come from THC remaining in place too long.	Jan 19 06:49
msb_	CDB->CBD	Jan 19 06:49
oiaohm	I hate dyslexia.	Jan 19 06:50
msb_	Your statement has no discernible meaning.	Jan 19 06:51
oiaohm	THC goes into receptors right you want to be cleared out in a timely manor that is what CDB achives. So preventing the worst problems.	Jan 19 06:52
oiaohm	Of course everything has side effects higher CBD means effectness time of the THC is so person may have to intake more to maintain same high.	Jan 19 06:53
msb_	Your claim that the psychedelic state is caused by memory impairment and depression is utter nonsense. If you believe that, then anything you say on the subject is worthless.	Jan 19 06:55
oiaohm	msb_: no you cannot read.	Jan 19 06:56
oiaohm	I did not say the psychedelic state was caused by memory imparment alone did I.	Jan 19 06:56
msb_	"<oiaohm> msb_: THC has three side effects. Imparement to memory, depression and psychedelic state caused by the imparment."	Jan 19 06:57
oiaohm	memory, depression and psychedelic state if you have someone in MRI you will see are different sections of brain.	Jan 19 06:57
oiaohm	So CDB at right does cleans up 2 areas of brain.	Jan 19 06:58
msb_	Are you denying what you wrote 16 minutes ago"	Jan 19 06:59
msb_	?	Jan 19 06:59
oiaohm	Not at all.	Jan 19 06:59
oiaohm	You just read something as one pience when it was in fact 3.	Jan 19 06:59
msb_	Separate the 3 piences.	Jan 19 07:00
oiaohm	Imparement to memory, psychedelic state and depression is 3 different places THC is acting on.	Jan 19 07:01
oiaohm	2 of those things you really don't want.	Jan 19 07:01
msb_	You said "psychedelic state caused by the imparment"	Jan 19 07:02
oiaohm	That is correct as neron paths get blocked brain uses other paths it has not used. So you see alterations in brain activity caused by this.	Jan 19 07:02
oiaohm	As long everything being cleaned there should be no long term issues. Of course cleaning up is where CBD comes in.	Jan 19 07:04
oiaohm	msb_: basically its a ratio. Right ratio of CBD to THC and by all studies it should be very safe.	Jan 19 07:05
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msb_	Is this your theory of the cause of the psychedelic state? Where did you get it from? "as neron paths get blocked brain uses other paths it has not used. So you see alterations in brain activity caused by this."	Jan 19 07:06
oiaohm	msb_: http://www.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosophy/2012/mar/02/how-marijuana-impairs-memory cannot find the one I want from 2013 that showed THC has effects on non memory neuronal connetions 2012 showed the disrupting memory effect.	Jan 19 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| How marijuana impairs memory \| Science \| The Guardian		Jan 19 07:12
oiaohm	msb_: so what I stated is the current theory on how THC generated psychedelic effect by messing with neuronal connections in fact blocking some of them.	Jan 19 07:13
oiaohm	msb_: of course there could be extra factors as well.	Jan 19 07:13
msb_	That article doesn't even mention the word "psychedelic", so it certainly does not prove your claim.	Jan 19 07:16
oiaohm	I said I could not find the one I wanted.	Jan 19 07:16
oiaohm	Its the weaking of connections that causes depression is stated in that one.	Jan 19 07:17
oiaohm	So you really don't want THC too strong.	Jan 19 07:18
msb_	The word "depression' in that article does not mean emotional depression. It is juxtaposed to "potentiation" and means the weakening of certain neural activity.	Jan 19 07:21
msb_	It means a decrease in the excitability of certain neurons.	Jan 19 07:22
msb_	No connection with psychological depression.	Jan 19 07:22
oiaohm	msb_: really http://www.memorylossonline.com/summer2001/depression.html	Jan 19 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.memorylossonline.com \| Depression and Memory		Jan 19 07:24
oiaohm	msb_: you don't know your facts.	Jan 19 07:24
oiaohm	As soon as you start losing memory effectiveness the risk of psychological depression skyrockets.	Jan 19 07:25
msb_	Cannabis is _prescribed_ for psychological depression.	Jan 19 07:27
msb_	And you didn't admit that you misunderstood the Guardian article.	Jan 19 07:28
oiaohm	CBD is effective against psychological depression by improving memory and improving mood. THC is not good for psychological depression because it limiting memory as one of it side effects.	Jan 19 07:28
oiaohm	msb_: I did not miss read the Guardian article I understood what depression to a particular section of brain does to psychological depression.	Jan 19 07:29
oiaohm	So high CBD low THC works resonably well on psychological depression cases.	Jan 19 07:30
oiaohm	msb_: type of cannabis prescribe is important. Cannabis is not just 1 thing. Most medical used cannabis is high CBD low THC. Exception is brain cancer treatment cases. THC can be more targeted than other brain cancer treating drugs.	Jan 19 07:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/WeiDeLi14/status/689420818497994752	Jan 19 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WeiDeLi14: @WeiDeLi14 Interesting observation -- there are many in Cambodia whose sole experience of Internet is via Facebook: https://t.co/egUMur4M7k		Jan 19 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #facebook does not want to make the #internet accessible to more Indians. Just wants to ensure that to many in #india Internet IS Facebook.		Jan 19 07:36
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schestowitz	msb_: why are you talking about drugs here?	Jan 19 07:36
schestowitz	Go to Silk Road or something (it that still exists)	Jan 19 07:36
schestowitz	[11:27] <msb_> But my logs are perfect.	Jan 19 07:36
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schestowitz	[11:27] <msb_> And they will match those of Schestowitz.	Jan 19 07:37
schestowitz	Yes, they've been very complete since 2008	Jan 19 07:37
schestowitz	maybe a little lacking when I had hardware issues and the backups weren't perfect	Jan 19 07:37
schestowitz	makes me wonder if freenode keeps logs, how long for, and whether governments ever compelled #freenode to hand some over	Jan 19 07:38
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oiaohm	schestowitz: freenode does not keep logging very long as with number of channels it would get expensive very quickly.	Jan 19 07:40
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msb_	schestowitz: oiaohm was stalking me again on a tech subject, and threatening me in various ways. I concisely listed his bizarre and anti-human beliefs, and _he_ then went off on cannabis again.	Jan 19 07:41
msb_	schestowitz: Please tell him to leave me alone.	Jan 19 07:42
oiaohm	msb_: no you raised the topic again.	Jan 19 07:44
msb_	schestowitz: Every time I say _anything_ he pops up and disagrees with it.	Jan 19 07:44
oiaohm	Please don't attempt to blame me for something you raised msb_	Jan 19 07:44
oiaohm	msb_: remember schestowitz has the logs and can see exactly who raised it.	Jan 19 07:45
msb_	oiaohm: I have added you to my "ignore list". Hopefully this means I will never see your posts.	Jan 19 07:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/METAKNlGHT/status/689428674437771265	Jan 19 07:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@METAKNlGHT: .@schestowitz @glynmoody Yes, and no. Also have to remember the anonym-ised users are using tor. https://t.co/4iTQS4pypM		Jan 19 07:47
schestowitz	Any evidence for the "yes"? And which government/s?	Jan 19 07:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/689428869103792128	Jan 19 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: I was in the dressing room with Savile back in 1996. TV Centre. BBC staff knew about him then @schestowitz		Jan 19 07:48
schestowitz	Like Blatter and Battestilli (EPO). Everyone knows something is seriously wrong, but too afraid to speak out.	Jan 19 07:49
schestowitz	*Battistelli	Jan 19 07:49
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://thestack.com/security/2014/11/14/81-of-tor-users-can-be-de-anonymised-by-analysing-router-information-research-indicates/	Jan 19 07:51
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oiaohm	schestowitz: The reality is tor is not that great of stealth.	Jan 19 07:51
oiaohm	schestowitz: that 2014 attack works against any communication that demands limited latency.	Jan 19 07:54
msb_	<test>	Jan 19 08:04
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cubexyz	can any of the smartwatches do ntp?	Jan 19 08:35
cubexyz	seems like an obvious thing to add	Jan 19 08:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: welcome to stupid. /system/etc/gps.conf exists in Android and allows maker to define ntp servers to sync against. So rooted phones and watches can set it. So ntp is built in but no GUI to configure it.	Jan 19 08:45
cubexyz	rooted watches?	Jan 19 08:46
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/01/17/asteroidos-is-an-open-source-operating-systems-for-your-android-wear-smartwatch/ Lets just say replacing the image on a lot of android watches is not hard.	Jan 19 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com \| AsteroidOS is an Open Source Operating System for Your Android (Wear) Smartwatch		Jan 19 08:47
oiaohm	Annoying but not hard.	Jan 19 08:48
cubexyz	you don't automatically get root on your watch's OS?	Jan 19 08:49
cubexyz	seems a bit user hostile	Jan 19 08:49
cubexyz	we got root on zaurus	Jan 19 08:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: on android devices most don't give you root out box.	Jan 19 08:51
schestowitz	great article from Chris Hedges http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/01/18/there-is-no-justice-in-america/	Jan 19 08:53
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cubexyz	oiaohm, I ported pack to Unix v7	Jan 19 08:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/689445412323782656	Jan 19 08:53
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cubexyz	from pdp11 sysv Unix	Jan 19 08:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/troubletroyous/status/689449208579887104	Jan 19 09:09
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6971293	Jan 19 09:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What #facebook deems "racism" is very broad, politically-motivated. See for instance techrights.org/2010/10/29/power-over-communities-misused/ & http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Facebook		Jan 19 09:45
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cubexyz	oiaohm, don't you find the whole way things get described on the web is basically poor?	Jan 19 09:48
cubexyz	howto articles for example	Jan 19 09:49
cubexyz	almost always from the pov of a windows user	Jan 19 09:49
schestowitz	Squiz 'open source' has just mailed me spam	Jan 19 09:49
schestowitz	they pretend to be FOSS	Jan 19 09:50
schestowitz	oiaohm: they're from AUssie	Jan 19 09:50
schestowitz	They're frauds	Jan 19 09:50
schestowitz	i sent back this reply	Jan 19 09:50
schestowitz	"	Jan 19 09:50
schestowitz	Hi Lisa,	Jan 19 09:50
schestowitz	Some time ago I asked Squiz for access to the source code, as per the instructions in the documentation. I have not, however, received any reply (stonewalling). Based on the fact that I now receive Squiz marketing to the e-mail from which I sent my request I can assume, correctly perhaps, that Squiz is more interested in sending its unsolicited marketing (to as many people as possible) than in allowing them to access the source code. This	Jan 19 09:50
schestowitz	makes me seriously doubt Squiz's commitment to Open Source.	Jan 19 09:50
schestowitz	"	Jan 19 09:50
cubexyz	Fake FOSS Alert! (again)	Jan 19 09:50
cubexyz	FossForce allows Microsoft Surface Ads	Jan 19 09:53
cubexyz	there was another one FOSSbytes I think	Jan 19 09:53
cubexyz	quasi-FOSS at best	Jan 19 09:54
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/howto-geek-win10.png	Jan 19 10:01
cubexyz	schestowitz, you'll note that in the SHA-1 article it has the usual overbearing assumption that the user reading the article is a windows user	Jan 19 10:05
cubexyz	are you slow to update your OS? Oh you must be a windows xp user	Jan 19 10:08
cubexyz	get your friends off windows xp.... sounds kind of good... but then the whammy .... 'upgrade' to windows 10	Jan 19 10:10
cubexyz	hell, let's just make it a permanent part of the web page at the top	Jan 19 10:10
cubexyz	computing for the masses currently means the masses are getting ripped off	Jan 19 10:14
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TweetTuxMachines	in Wi-Fi Networks on Linux Systems	Jan 19 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/au0ATJuCEs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 10:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NetworkManager 1.2 to Offer Tracking Protection in Wi-Fi Networks on Linux Systems \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 10:21
cubexyz	lifehacker is a joke as well	Jan 19 10:27
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/comparison-of-various-file-compressors.txt	Jan 19 10:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689471310313955328	Jan 19 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz That's why the only foreign attacks on American soil for 70 years have been by M-E people.		Jan 19 10:53
schestowitz	Untrue	Jan 19 10:53
cubexyz	the unabomber comes to mind	Jan 19 10:54
cubexyz	ok, not a foreign attack..	Jan 19 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro	Jan 19 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 15.12 https://t.co/QVHCCaxmrb	Jan 19 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 19 10:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro Linux 15.12 https://t.co/QVHCCaxmrb'		Jan 19 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro Linux 15.12 \| Techrights		Jan 19 10:55
msb_	9-11 wasn't a foreign attack either -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 That Chris Hedges article in Paul Craig Roberts' site is excellent. Look at PCR holding two (2) cats at the bottom.	Jan 19 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Jan 19 10:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689476469395951616	Jan 19 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz 1993, 9-11, Boston Marathon, San Bernardino... Not even the Soviet Union killed Americans on their homeland.		Jan 19 11:11
schestowitz	Soviet Union is a nation, not a religious movement	Jan 19 11:12
cubexyz	soviet union was anti-religious I think	Jan 19 11:13
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_%281958%E2%80%9364%29	Jan 19 11:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| USSR anti-religious campaign (1958–64) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jan 19 11:15
cubexyz	huh, wasn't sure that would work :)	Jan 19 11:16
cubexyz	the script transforms parathenesis	Jan 19 11:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689481104835887104	Jan 19 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Middle East is not a religious movement but a geographical concept. Exactly the same as the USSR.		Jan 19 11:18
MinceR	https://8ch.net/tech/src/1452893104164.png	Jan 19 11:18
msb_	By coincidence, here's another Paul Craig Roberts column. The site it points to links to a movie on youtube, which you can get with youtube-dl. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/01/14/british-film-destroys-official-911-story/	Jan 19 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| British Film Destroys Official 9/11 Story - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/ofhfk ]		Jan 19 11:19
MinceR	the ussr wasn't against their own cults of personality, though	Jan 19 11:19
msb_	About 600MB. Watching it now.	Jan 19 11:20
cubexyz	MinceR, Khrushchev denounced Stalin's cult of personality	Jan 19 11:21
cubexyz	I can't think of anyone after him like that	Jan 19 11:21
MinceR	what about the other cults, like lenin's?	Jan 19 11:21
cubexyz	but he was before Stalin yes?	Jan 19 11:22
cubexyz	can't see anyone elevating Lenin nowadays	Jan 19 11:23
MinceR	yes he was	Jan 19 11:23
MinceR	maybe putin's establishment will	Jan 19 11:24
MinceR	they long for the ussr days	Jan 19 11:24
MinceR	though they seem to have replaced their religion	Jan 19 11:24
MinceR	dunno if that will stick	Jan 19 11:24
cubexyz	quite a while ago Stallman was called a communist	Jan 19 11:25
cubexyz	that seems to have stopped as far as I can tell	Jan 19 11:25
cubexyz	I doubt anyone really wants the USSR back, but who knows?	Jan 19 11:27
MinceR	ask average russians	Jan 19 11:28
MinceR	they clearly want their empire back	Jan 19 11:28
msb_	They would sure like to have all their state-owned factories and other facilities back, which were stolen from them by US agent Boris Yeltsin and given to various wealthy psychopaths. As described in Naomi-Klein--2007--The-shock-doctrine--The-Rise-of-Disaster-Capitalism. Chapter 11 I think.	Jan 19 11:40
msb_	Actually sold at about 10% of their value.	Jan 19 11:42
msb_	So far the video is mostly about WTC7, whose collapse was announced over various mainstream news channels several time before it had happened. IIRC one announcement took place about an hour before it fell. One was given by a newsreader who had the intact building visible in a window behind her.	Jan 19 11:58
msb_	time->times	Jan 19 11:59
schestowitz	Some thing will have to wait until after the protest because they're not time-critical. Tonight I'll post something about Topic...	Jan 19 12:09
schestowitz	:-)	Jan 19 12:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro	Jan 19 12:20
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Linux 15.12 https://t.co/QVHCCaxmrb	Jan 19 12:20
TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts (techrights.org)	Jan 19 12:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro Linux 15.12 \| Techrights		Jan 19 12:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 11 Beta Screenshot Tour - A Superb	Jan 19 12:20
TweetTuxMachines	Windows Alternative https://t.co/AjOnrxIgcl	Jan 19 12:21
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 12:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Zorin OS 11 Beta Screenshot Tour - A Superb Windows Alternative		Jan 19 12:21
msb_	The collapse of WTC7, 50 stories high, looks _exactly_ like a standard controlled demolition, down to the center falling first so it falls in on itself. Then there were the stock "put options", made a few days before by a CIA-linked company, only on the stock of United and American Airlines, the two involved. Their stock fell almost 50%, and millions were made.	Jan 19 12:25
*TweetTuxMachines @AsteroidOS favourited 'Links 18/1/2016: AsteroidOS With GNU, NetworkManager 1.2 https://t.co/KhQ6x5N13e'		Jan 19 13:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 18/1/2016: AsteroidOS With GNU, NetworkManager 1.2 \| Techrights		Jan 19 13:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/689511594183753728	Jan 19 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freenodestaff: @schestowitz Records of connections to servers and interaction with with NickServ et al are kept for 120 days. We don't record messages.		Jan 19 13:41
schestowitz	msb_ spewing nutty 9/11 crap again...	Jan 19 13:41
*TweetTuxMachines @AsteroidOS favourited '"AsteroidOS carries a full GNU/Linux on your wrist"...'		Jan 19 13:43
*TweetTuxMachines @AsteroidOS favourited 'AsteroidOS: Open source smartwatch operating system that can...'		Jan 19 13:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Linux, Graphics	Jan 19 13:44
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/G09uNyuwAu (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 13:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Linux, Graphics \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 13:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/tSEg7EmF4E	Jan 19 13:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 13:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 13:44
msb_	schestowitz: It isn't "nutty crap". It's true. This video is specifically designed to get through to skeptics. It's UK-oriented. Why don't you watch it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UyynjxAyw	Jan 19 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Incontrovertible - New 9/11 Documentary by Tony Rooke - YouTube		Jan 19 13:47
msb_	schestowitz: People who are embedded in the corrupt establishment that you're fighting will call your work "nutty crap".	Jan 19 13:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/qX1s6pKql8	Jan 19 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 13:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/5DeB8X5frf	Jan 19 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 13:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/vhfTm22FRi	Jan 19 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 13:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@Durga_Karma The Michael Daily News by	Jan 19 14:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8L9GwMtRr0	Jan 19 14:37
TweetTuxMachines	(michael.lr-partner.com) wurde soeben	Jan 19 14:37
TweetTuxMachines	publiziert! https://t.co/QDWKtp8pnr (paper.li)	Jan 19 14:37
TweetTuxMachines	Vielen Dank an @tuxmachines @ReporterOG	Jan 19 14:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://michael.lr-partner.com )		Jan 19 14:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| The Michael Daily News by https://michael.lr-partner.com		Jan 19 14:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/qX1s6pKql8	Jan 19 14:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 14:37
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto	Jan 19 14:37
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'NetworkManager 1.2 to Offer Tracking Protection in Wi-Fi...'		Jan 19 14:38
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/689540089614094336	Jan 19 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz https://t.co/7KFlEpiNbP Error 503 Service Unavailable Service Unavailable Guru Meditation: XID: 45511964 Varnish cache serv		Jan 19 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Poor Journalism From Süddeutsche Zeitung Perpetuates the EPO Management’s Lies \| Techrights		Jan 19 15:14
schestowitz	yes, spam requests against the server, not legit traffic (for sure)	Jan 19 15:22
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schestowitz	"There is atypo:Techrights has done much of the exclusive English overage about this before"	Jan 19 15:36
schestowitz	Thanks, will fix asap	Jan 19 15:36
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schestowitz	Hope it's clearer now, I wrote it in a rush	Jan 19 15:41
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Zorin OS 11 Beta Screenshot Tour - A...'		Jan 19 15:56
*TweetTuxMachines @Container_VBP followed @tuxmachines		Jan 19 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Jan 19 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OfLBYkxOor (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 15:56
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689555046497935360	Jan 19 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: We're very careful when writing articles on WordPress security not to specify any security measures use. https://t.co/K4fTk0uXPn		Jan 19 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Can't quite divulge architecture of my sites anymore as it helps attackers (I always get hit hardest when/after writing about Croatia)		Jan 19 16:09
schestowitz	plugins are a risk (out of date ones esp.)	Jan 19 16:09
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689555896104542212	Jan 19 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz Yup. Since the PostNuke days, I'm very cautious about what plugins I use & update as soon as a new version is released.		Jan 19 16:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689556250019905537	Jan 19 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz We also subscribe to a security service that advises of new vulnerabilities as soon as they're discovered.		Jan 19 16:15
schestowitz	The problem with nuke was phpbb inclusion in the core	Jan 19 16:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689557701857296385	Jan 19 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz That was PHP Nuke, not PostNuke. BTW, I know you don't use WordPress, but we cover WP security issues extensively on FOSSForce.		Jan 19 16:25
schestowitz	I use wordpress in about 8 sites of mine	Jan 19 16:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689560215826632704	Jan 19 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz Then keep an eye on @FOSSForce . We try to publish info on plugin exploits as soon as they're discovered.		Jan 19 16:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Jan 19 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by https://t.co/OfLBYkxOor (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Jan 19 16:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How I use Android: Writer and Android Power	Jan 19 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	author JR Raphael https://t.co/HFHMCRLZSW	Jan 19 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerworld.com)	Jan 19 16:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com \| How I use Android: Writer and Android Power author JR Raphael \| Computerworld		Jan 19 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Running desktop Linux on a tablet: A lid for	Jan 19 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	every pot https://t.co/uzDCwtOVsh (www.cio.com)	Jan 19 17:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cio.com \| Running desktop Linux on a tablet: A lid for every pot \| CIO		Jan 19 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Linux distros of 2016: Something for	Jan 19 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	everyone https://t.co/f9aAV5is4V (www.cio.com)	Jan 19 17:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cio.com \| Best Linux distros of 2016: Something for everyone \| CIO		Jan 19 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDEPIM Akregator Faster than Ever	Jan 19 17:04
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0yolPpOnme (ostatic.com)	Jan 19 17:04
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/butcherbird/status/689573715902787585	Jan 19 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@butcherbird: There's nothing to watch on netflix anyway. Far more interesting things on the net. https://t.co/3A6G3TTMds		Jan 19 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #VPN Providers Condemn Netflix Blocking Crackdown https://t.co/jdPwisAgk8 #netflix has destroyed the Web with #drm		Jan 19 17:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A visit to a #Fedora datacenter	Jan 19 18:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vWnOQ2UiiK (www.scrye.com)	Jan 19 18:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scrye.com \| A vist to a Fedora datacenter – Kevin's musings		Jan 19 18:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux conference season 2016 kicks off with	Jan 19 18:27
TweetTuxMachines	SCaLE and FOSDEM https://t.co/iQzlmuSWLi	Jan 19 18:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.networkworld.com)	Jan 19 18:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com \| Linux conference season 2016 kicks off with SCaLE and FOSDEM		Jan 19 18:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine 1.8 Released	Jan 19 18:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VFQWiTU3Uo (www.linuxjournal.com)	Jan 19 18:30
TweetTuxMachines	a lot more detailed than other such coverage.	Jan 19 18:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Wine 1.8 Released \| Linux Journal		Jan 19 18:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #microsoft a company of liars (not news)	Jan 19 18:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fQPB1GcCkn (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 18:30
TweetTuxMachines	'steals' its ideas from #gnu #linux	Jan 19 18:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Microsoft About Platform Convergence and Continuum: I Made This		Jan 19 18:30
*TweetTuxMachines @RemoteWorkingCo favourited '#microsoft a company of liars (not news) https://t.co/fQPB1GcCkn...'		Jan 19 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical and BQ to Unveil the First Ubuntu	Jan 19 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	Tablet That Runs X11 Apps at MWC 2016	Jan 19 18:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6Q3BfS7e0J (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 18:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Canonical and BQ to Unveil the First Ubuntu Tablet That Runs X11 Apps at MWC 2016		Jan 19 18:35
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Canonical and BQ to Unveil the First Ubuntu...'		Jan 19 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Oracle Releases VirtualBox 5.0.14 with Support	Jan 19 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	for Linux Kernel 4.5, Mac OS X Fixes	Jan 19 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/X2ftOrdP4n (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 18:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Oracle Releases VirtualBox 5.0.14 with Support for Linux Kernel 4.5, Mac OS X Fixes		Jan 19 18:38
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Oracle Releases VirtualBox 5.0.14 with Support for Linux...'		Jan 19 19:05
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#microsoft a company of liars (not news) https://t.co/fQPB1GcCkn...'		Jan 19 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDEPIM Akregator Faster than Ever	Jan 19 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5HPxWzKzG1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 19:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu (Tablet, Zero-day, Microsoft	Jan 19 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	copycats) https://t.co/XTbCMgh5oU	Jan 19 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 19:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Ubuntu (Tablet, Zero-day, Microsoft copycats) \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What Freedom Really Means In Open Source	Jan 19 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/s7eKABqrlo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 19:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| What Freedom Really Means In Open Source \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack	Jan 19 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ozWUlNTwVj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 19:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GitHub Revolt https://t.co/19AZZgl2Te	Jan 19 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 19:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GitHub Revolt \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 19:13
*TweetTuxMachines @arsenyspb favourited 'Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack https://t.co/ozWUlNTwVj'		Jan 19 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack	Jan 19 19:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DnD Actions Land Within Wayland's Weston,	Jan 19 19:40
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schestowitz	[14:53] <cubexyz> FossForce allows Microsoft Surface Ads	Jan 19 20:28
schestowitz	needs exclusion rule in advertiser's network	Jan 19 20:28
schestowitz	i'll let christine know..	Jan 19 20:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here's why you haven't received Android	Jan 19 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	Marshmallow yet https://t.co/4kMfOmRgly	Jan 19 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidpit.com)	Jan 19 20:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpit.com \| Here's why you haven't received Android Marshmallow yet - AndroidPIT		Jan 19 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines From Android N to Self-Driving Cars: What to	Jan 19 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	Expect at Google I/O https://t.co/235p7vRcUU	Jan 19 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.eweek.com)	Jan 19 20:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google is letting Android users install apps	Jan 19 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	directly from search results	Jan 19 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/64GI2B8Prr (www.theverge.com)	Jan 19 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma tricks: smart places	Jan 19 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DnD Actions Land Within Wayland's Weston,	Jan 19 20:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone Devs Begin Work on All the New	Jan 19 20:55
TweetTuxMachines	Features for the OTA-10 Update	Jan 19 20:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 7 Truths that Open Source Struggles With	Jan 19 21:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus and Manjaro Linux Receive Patch for the	Jan 19 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	Zero-Day Linux Kernel Vulnerability	Jan 19 21:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OnePlus Recruits Beta Testers For Android	Jan 19 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	6.0-Based Hydrogen OS https://t.co/DXOoeSn3ut	Jan 19 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Jan 19 21:04
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msb_	Does this mean that Hollywood doesn't want people to _pay_ to watch movies via Netflix if they are in the wrong country? https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-providers-condemn-netflix-blocking-crackdown-160118/	Jan 19 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com \| VPN Providers Condemn Netflix Blocking Crackdown - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/ofje7 ]		Jan 19 21:06
schestowitz	msb_: it means they stick to weird business model assumptions	Jan 19 21:07
schestowitz	like region-based service	Jan 19 21:07
schestowitz	which I think it made illegal in the EU	Jan 19 21:07
schestowitz	for various different reasons, depends who you listen to....	Jan 19 21:08
msb_	But they're turning down _money_, which is what they live for!	Jan 19 21:08
msb_	I guess they would rather have domination than money.	Jan 19 21:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/msolnik/status/689630870748041216	Jan 19 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@msolnik: @tqbf @chronic @schestowitz fwiw why exploit hexagon (hard) when you have plenty of userland image parsers etc that require much less work.		Jan 19 21:13
msb_	In a certain "nutty crap" video I recommended earlier today, one of the speakers (they're mostly police and firemen) said that the ones behind the eternal wars are _organized_psychopaths_ (just as I've been saying). It's important to _identify_ the entities that are turning our world into Hell. Think about it clearly. They're not jew, reptoids, illuminati -- just the psychopath variant of human beings, which makes them no longer	Jan 19 21:19
msb_	human.	Jan 19 21:19
msb_	The human survival mechanism is to help other people, share knowledge and goods, build on what others have done before.	Jan 19 21:22
msb_	The psychopath survival method is extremely primitive. A cellular automaton program could probably come up with it. It's just "kill everything that isn't me; then nothing can hurt me".	Jan 19 21:23
msb_	I guess more accurately it's, "Control and dominate everything that isn't me, and if it resists, then kill it."	Jan 19 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Android the Future of Feature Phones?	Jan 19 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mygagma0DJ (uk.pcmag.com)	Jan 19 21:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CommOps – Year in Review	Jan 19 21:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian/TeX Live 2015.20160117-1 and biber 2.3-1	Jan 19 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zEeIyue1yu (www.preining.info)	Jan 19 21:27
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oiaohm	schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallon history of regional trade bias is old. Yes the reason for the 2 Gallon sizes is so groups exporting UK Gallons to the USA could appear to change same price per Gallon and be ripping the USA people off.	Jan 19 21:39
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oiaohm	msb_: regional movie release goes back to when making prints movie prints were expensive. Problem here the legal models movie companies have put in place have not moved with the time. It made sense when for some movies there were only 10 prints world wide.	Jan 19 21:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/chronic/status/689642699306209280	Jan 19 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@chronic: @msolnik @tqbf @schestowitz really interesting, and shocking if legit, will check this out!		Jan 19 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines group test: NAS distros https://t.co/CdC6YBz4vs	Jan 19 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxvoice.com)	Jan 19 22:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat plants containers as Jboss EAP 7 bursts	Jan 19 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	into beta https://t.co/V4lokkITgI	Jan 19 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk) https://t.co/RCmk8lN4yO	Jan 19 22:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.broadcastermagazine.com \| Red Hat JBoss Data Virtualization lets users query multiple databases without merging data \| Broadcaster - Canada's Communications Magazine		Jan 19 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What you need to know about Tizen 2.4 OS	Jan 19 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	upgrade for Samsung Z1 https://t.co/RXNuzRp1eU	Jan 19 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Jan 19 22:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| What you need to know about Tizen 2.4 OS upgrade for Samsung Z1 - Tizen Experts		Jan 19 22:02
schestowitz	cubexyz: https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689643250462892032	Jan 19 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz What do you think Redmond's chances are of convincing a FOSS Force visitor to buy a Surface? Let them waste their money.		Jan 19 22:06
schestowitz	me: Would rather not see the ads (I don't see any myself), but others do... and it annoys them, hence my headsup	Jan 19 22:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone Devs Begin Work on All the New	Jan 19 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	Features for the OTA-10 Update	Jan 19 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Wyl0lP5Xbl (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 22:08
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/drsmdg/status/689645351683272705	Jan 19 22:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drsmdg: I concur... https://t.co/U4xfzOaLEm		Jan 19 22:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @tqbf Phones are inherently not secure because of the proprietary baseband OS and back doors in the other OS, too		Jan 19 22:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/msolnik/status/689646792997076992	Jan 19 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@msolnik: @chronic @tqbf @schestowitz its legit ;-). The real question is why so many OEMs used a third party (Redbend) binary blob full of strcat...		Jan 19 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rygel 0.29.1 Open Source Media Server Adds	Jan 19 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	Support for Lightweight Media Scanner	Jan 19 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/uRKuZuzyuo (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 22:14
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6972432	Jan 19 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Calls for boycotting Samsung https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/689529450577301504 I called for it 9 years ago http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Samsung		Jan 19 22:15
schestowitz	"I’d like to see a some specs or a schematic, purely out of curiosity. bet it’s running dedicated Linux, anyway."	Jan 19 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@internetofshit: Smart TVs that add advertising to the UI are unacceptable. A reason to boycott Samsung. https://t.co/LXxXtcAuDO		Jan 19 22:15
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schestowitz	Would void warranty though	Jan 19 22:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689648738512539648	Jan 19 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz Privately would've been better.		Jan 19 22:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/OVAf5H4FbJ	Jan 19 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 22:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Development https://t.co/XcfrCbzWFm	Jan 19 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 22:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/845VdsdmXb	Jan 19 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 22:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat and Fedora \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone Devs Begin Work on All the New	Jan 19 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	Features for the OTA-10 Update	Jan 19 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/AkQKAepmft (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 22:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 7 Truths that Open Source Struggles With	Jan 19 22:35
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oiaohm	http://www.steamregionalprices.com/ Interesting want you come across from time to time.	Jan 19 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.steamregionalprices.com \| Steam All Region Price Checker		Jan 19 22:39
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cubexyz	I just think it's foolish to run Microsoft ads on a FOSS site	Jan 20 02:36
cubexyz	I have rules I follow:	Jan 20 02:37
cubexyz	no microsoft ads	Jan 20 02:37
cubexyz	no gambling or betting ads	Jan 20 02:37
cubexyz	no adult ads	Jan 20 02:37
cubexyz	it just wouldn't be appropriate	Jan 20 02:37
cubexyz	sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in, and that's definitely not Microsoft stuff	Jan 20 02:38
cubexyz	I know what Microsoft tries to do... and it's always the same thing	Jan 20 02:46
cubexyz	M$ tax on all computers	Jan 20 02:46
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msb_	Also M$ tries to kill off FOSS. There's more to FOSS than not having the M$ tax. FOSS has freedom. People can do what they want, not _controlled_ by wealthy psychopath corporations.	Jan 20 03:28
msb_	cubexyz: I know that you know that very well! I just thought I'd mention it.	Jan 20 03:29
cubexyz	I can make a radio, or a lamp, or a book shelf	Jan 20 03:34
cubexyz	I can't make a hard drive, or modern motherboard or cpu	Jan 20 03:35
cubexyz	so I have to buy those from corporations, and I'm OK with that	Jan 20 03:35
cubexyz	what I'm not OK with is Microsoft taxing everything computer-related	Jan 20 03:35
cubexyz	Sony did something very interesting with TVs	Jan 20 03:37
cubexyz	they actually made an easy to repair TV	Jan 20 03:37
cubexyz	totally by accident I bought a Sony TV, and found out later it was _fairly_ easy to take it apart	Jan 20 03:38
cubexyz	but Sony is hoarding their spare parts, so sourcing the replacement parts is hard	Jan 20 03:39
cubexyz	but there's a solution to that too... some folks with wave machines are actually doing component level repair	Jan 20 03:40
cubexyz	so even thought you could say Sony is an evil corporation, I just don't think they are in the same class as Microsoft	Jan 20 03:41
cubexyz	and it's a Linux based TV :)	Jan 20 03:44
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msb_	Didn't Sony screw up the PlayStation, which has a very powerful cpu with multiple pipelines, so that people can't root it and put Linux on it?	Jan 20 04:06
cubexyz	depends	Jan 20 04:08
cubexyz	with PS3's if the system software is earlier than version 3.21 you can use it as an open platform	Jan 20 04:09
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cubexyz	on appropriate PS3's people have put Yellow Dog, OpenSUSE, Fedora and Ubuntu on	Jan 20 04:10
cubexyz	assuming there's a way to reflash the PS3 you should be OK	Jan 20 04:11
cubexyz	now there's Linux for Playstation 2's as well	Jan 20 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	@OpenStackTpNews Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack	Jan 20 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6j4tO19OfN (gettopical.com) via	Jan 20 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://t.co/IPvmYC6ahi	Jan 20 04:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OpenStackTpNews: Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack https://t.co/6j4tO19OfN via @tuxmachines https://t.co/IPvmYC6ahi		Jan 20 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma tricks: smart places	Jan 20 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/X9yJA1Aevp (www.alexl.netsons.org)	Jan 20 04:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alexl.netsons.org \| Plasma tricks: smart places – Alex L.		Jan 20 04:12
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_2	Jan 20 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Linux for PlayStation 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ofkc9 ]		Jan 20 04:12
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS	Jan 20 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| OtherOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jan 20 04:15
cubexyz	so yes, Sony isn't being too helpful	Jan 20 04:16
cubexyz	so you want firmware 3.15 or lower	Jan 20 04:16
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6972689	Jan 20 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When #feminism games #art in #games http://www.destructoid.com/anita-sarkeesian-blows-the-pants-off-widespread-censorship-of-butts-335327.phtml http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/strategic-butt-coverings_us_569e71a5e4b04c8137618ee6 http://www.themarysue.com/feminist-frequency-strategic-butt-coverings/ http://gamepolitics.com/tag/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/		Jan 20 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.destructoid.com \| Anita Sarkeesian blows the pants off widespread censorship of butts [ http://ur1.ca/ofkcy ]		Jan 20 04:18
schestowitz	"As much as I hate Sarkeesian’s professional victim thing, I have to agree that the more skimpy clothes on guys, the better."	Jan 20 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.huffingtonpost.com \| Video Games Might Have A Butt Problem [ http://ur1.ca/ofkcz ]		Jan 20 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.themarysue.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/ofkd0 ]		Jan 20 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gamepolitics.com \| Tropes vs Women in Video Games – GamePolitics [ http://ur1.ca/ofkd1 ]		Jan 20 04:18
schestowitz	Most gamers are guys, so I think there's little demand for that	Jan 20 04:18
oiaohm	PS3 caused Sony a financial mess PS4 has been hacked to run Linux.	Jan 20 04:18
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6972613	Jan 20 04:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Seattle #Privacy Coalition joins other “state-sponsored” attack targets to demand answers from #Twitter https://www.seattleprivacy.org/seattle-privacy-coalition-joins-other-state-sponsored-attack-victims-to-demand-answers-from-twitter/		Jan 20 04:19
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schestowitz	"Or Twitter wants to say: the government wants data from us but we let you know that first. :)"	Jan 20 04:19
schestowitz	Like they did with Wikileaks	Jan 20 04:19
schestowitz	oiaohm: has did it cause a financial mess?	Jan 20 04:19
schestowitz	oiaohm: was it not profitable overall?	Jan 20 04:19
oiaohm	opps PS2	Jan 20 04:20
msb_	Interesting: PS4 uses an 8-core AMD CPU instead of the Cell.	Jan 20 04:20
oiaohm	schestowitz: early PS2 the systems were being bought for data processing.	Jan 20 04:20
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation#Comparison	Jan 20 04:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| PlayStation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ofkd7 ]		Jan 20 04:20
oiaohm	http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/01/04/ps4-hack-enables-console-to-run-using-linux-steamos-should-just-work/	Jan 20 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.playstationlifestyle.net \| PS4 Hack Enables Console to Run Using Linux, SteamOS Should "Just Work" [ http://ur1.ca/ofkdc ]		Jan 20 04:21
oiaohm	PS4 video card is even starting to work with the open source AMD drivers.	Jan 20 04:22
oiaohm	schestowitz: of course people buying 100 to 200+ units of PS2 for data processing bought zero games so console being sold under cost hurt.	Jan 20 04:23
oiaohm	msb_: of course msb most likely will not see this. Having too powerful and specialised of a process Sony learnt with PS2 could be a horiblely bad mistake.	Jan 20 04:24
cubexyz	no MMU on playstation 1	Jan 20 04:30
cubexyz	you could put Fedora 8 on PS3	Jan 20 04:33
msb_	It's good to see a corporation making powerful technology available to the public, cheap. Then people somewhere in the world are able to hack it and set it free. "Information wants to be free." Maybe CPUs want to be free too.	Jan 20 04:34
msb_	cubexyz: OK, I agree: Sony are semi-good guys.	Jan 20 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Linux Port Of Darkest Dungeon Is Planned	Jan 20 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/dD3qU1FPlJ (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 20 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkea	Jan 20 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| A Linux Port Of Darkest Dungeon Is Planned - Phoronix		Jan 20 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Initiative approves Quebec licence	Jan 20 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8cCXN5KLKq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkeb	Jan 20 04:37
cubexyz	at least Sony is better than Microsoft	Jan 20 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Initiative approves Quebec licence \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 04:37
cubexyz	japanese companies do use Linux, obvious example is Sharp and the zaurus	Jan 20 04:38
msb_	We are the new little mammals, who are finding that dinosaur eggs are very delicious and nourishing.	Jan 20 04:49
cubexyz	Sharp later on went to the dark side... they discontinued the Zaurus in 2007 and started building windows mobile devices	Jan 20 04:52
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/689759589403881472	Jan 20 05:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: How to strengthen your passwords: Eek! 'Star Wars' is now one of the most popular passwords https://t.co/kdyTD6pT64 ICYMI @schestowitz		Jan 20 05:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.co.uk \| 'Star Wars' is now one of the most popular passwords - BBC Newsbeat		Jan 20 05:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/689760326989012992	Jan 20 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @BBCNewsbeat They also advertised the GCHQ Christmas quiz rather greatly. Perhaps GCHQ have access to update the site.		Jan 20 05:46
schestowitz	Both serving power, domination	Jan 20 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source offline map tool	Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/je5jACvIQe (opensource.com)	Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	@lemberg_co_uk "mAppWidget is available to anyone in need of a	Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	mobile custom offline map solution."	Jan 20 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Creating custom offline maps for Android gets a little easier \| Opensource.com		Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkk7	Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Is Getting	Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS By the End of January	Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/DO7ijCOKma (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkk8	Jan 20 05:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Snappy Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Let You Build	Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel Snaps via Snapcraft, Says Mark	Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	Shuttleworth https://t.co/9kdYpALPAF	Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkk9	Jan 20 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Snappy Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Let You Build Kernel Snaps via Snapcraft, Says Mark Shuttleworth		Jan 20 05:47
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Snappy Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Let You Build...'		Jan 20 05:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines $65 hacker board runs 64-bit Linux on quad-core	Jan 20 05:53
TweetTuxMachines	Atom https://t.co/avXRocqx23 (linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 20 05:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkkv	Jan 20 05:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| $65 hacker board runs 64-bit Linux on quad-core Atom · LinuxGizmos.com		Jan 20 05:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Help get good looking FPS 'Squad' on Linux	Jan 20 05:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OflyicCrsW (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 20 05:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkky	Jan 20 05:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Help get good looking FPS 'Squad' on Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 20 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines That Dragon, Cancer is now doing a Linux	Jan 20 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	release on Steam https://t.co/aSnmoffRFc	Jan 20 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 20 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkl2	Jan 20 05:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| That Dragon, Cancer is now doing a Linux release on Steam \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 20 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Right now, approximately 15,000 employees of	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	the Munich City Council are using Linux"	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/E4OrjJoot2 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkm9	Jan 20 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| German City That Replaced Windows with Linux to Ditch Last Windows XP/2000 PCs		Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 6 non-code contributions you can make to open	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	source https://t.co/7vNnjLjP3P	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkma	Jan 20 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 6 non-code contributions you can make to open source \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Is Getting	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS By the End of January	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oLNQA71NYf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkmb	Jan 20 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Is Getting Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS By the End of January \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The state of container security	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/H5JDFqnp8v (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkmc	Jan 20 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The state of container security \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Vulnerability and Trojan Causing	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	Headaches https://t.co/bCIWOhJ7qT	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkme	Jan 20 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Vulnerability and Trojan Causing Headaches \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines German City That Replaced Windows with Linux to	Jan 20 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	Ditch Last Windows XP/2000 PCs	Jan 20 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sVD5ZInpAi (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkq3	Jan 20 07:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| German City That Replaced Windows with Linux to Ditch Last Windows XP/2000 PCs \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 07:05
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Is Getting Linux...'		Jan 20 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft’s Campaign to Force Everyone to Use	Jan 20 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	Vista 10 Should Drive/Motivate Immediate Escape	Jan 20 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	to GNU/Linux https://t.co/89QjoXNa6A	Jan 20 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 20 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkya	Jan 20 08:41
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Microsoft’s Campaign to Force Everyone to Use Vista...'		Jan 20 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft’s Campaign to Force Everyone to Use Vista 10 Should Drive/Motivate Immediate Escape to GNU/Linux \| Techrights		Jan 20 08:41
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schestowitz	>>> My bro,	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>>> > > Here it goes:	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>>> > > upc-epo-corporate-overlords	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>>> > > Cheers	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>>> > > Eduardo	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>> > Excellent, than k you.	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>> > I've noticed that many EPO staff and former staff reads my non-EPO	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>> > articles and take these seriously, even in some online forums. It means	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	>> > the site influences the right people these days, regarding patent policy...	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	> That´s good to know. I hope Europe can derail the UPC on time && get rid of	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	> this tyrant.	Jan 20 09:06
schestowitz	Getting rid of the tyrant will be easier than getting rid of software patents or the UPC	Jan 20 09:06
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/UnohOf3.jpg	Jan 20 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Linux, Graphics	Jan 20 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/h8NX6aMgtQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oflwk	Jan 20 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Linux, Graphics \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE) Coverage	Jan 20 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4D0ouy3s21 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oflwl	Jan 20 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE) Coverage \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MAC address scrambling coming to Linux	Jan 20 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XTyaOZAueJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oflwm	Jan 20 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MAC address scrambling coming to Linux \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 13:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/deCespedes/status/689839892587745281	Jan 20 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deCespedes: @schestowitz Something very rotten in Berlin surrounding these allegations, I would be leary, IMHO.		Jan 20 14:58
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schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/time-for-harmonised-grace-period-says.html?showComment=1453291008698#c218192606989289922	Jan 20 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: Time for a harmonised grace period, says FICPI		Jan 20 15:19
schestowitz	I would have thought that there are more pressing reforms to the patent system which could be introduced to address the "asymmetry". How about having an annuity system which kicks in only after the patent is granted? An SME or inventor/applicant typically has to pay thousands in renewal fees before they know whether their invention is patentable or not whereas a large company can spread the costs across its portfolio. Another area of	Jan 20 15:19
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schestowitz	concern might be the strict added subject matter / right to priority test implemented at the EPO which could be considered to unfairly penalise those not overly familiar with the system. "	Jan 20 15:19
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 15:19
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schestowitz	patent lawyer:	Jan 20 15:32
schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/breaking-news-from-epo-suepo-officials.html?showComment=1453312810570#c806909323242927713	Jan 20 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: Breaking News from the EPO - SUEPO officials fired, downgraded		Jan 20 15:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 15:32
schestowitz	The SI represents a somewhat interesting approach to conforming to International and EU obligations, as I have commented at "UK decides on Brexit from EPC and EU".	Jan 20 15:32
schestowitz	In particular, sections 2(3)/(4) of the SI firstly amend section 60 of the Patents Act 1977 to exempt certain matters from infringement, and then disapply one of those exemptions from national patents. The effect is that a national patent will have a broader scope than a European patent (see also page 1 of impact assessment). This is clearly in breach of Article 64 EPC.	Jan 20 15:32
schestowitz	The powers given by the Intellectual Property Act 2014, to amend primary legislation through use of secondary legislation, are somewhat unusual, and such powers should be used cautiously, and not in a manner to bring the UK into breach of a treaty that they have held to since 1978, and which is at the heart of both the UPC and Unitary Patent.	Jan 20 15:32
schestowitz	Hopefully, if the SI is passed, a correction will follow promptly to ensure compliance with the EPC.	Jan 20 15:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 15:32
schestowitz	UPC a mess	Jan 20 15:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/689827664824242176	Jan 20 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @9_ties network over HDMI should be possible no? Too bad you have not connected the serial port for some ser2net offband rescue.		Jan 20 15:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence Desktop Mode	Jan 20 16:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/BGf5dEqVc1 (www.starryhope.com)	Jan 20 16:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmlb	Jan 20 16:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.starryhope.com \| Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence Desktop Mode		Jan 20 16:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Don't Panic About Recent Zero-Day Linux Kernel	Jan 20 16:16
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerability, It's Not That Bad	Jan 20 16:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/GXiAChP8dv (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 16:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmlc	Jan 20 16:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RemixOS Now Respects Both #GPL and #Apache	Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	Licenses https://t.co/762aIrbGGk	Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) https://t.co/ZbZkCNnjpe	Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	(ostatic.com)	Jan 20 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Remix OS Now Respects Both GPL and Apache Licenses		Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmnw	Jan 20 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| With Remix OS, Run Android Apps on Your PC		Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Don't Panic About Recent Zero-Day Linux Kernel	Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerability, It's Not That Bad	Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/gAfqovfdYV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmnx	Jan 20 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Don't Panic About Recent Zero-Day Linux Kernel Vulnerability, It's Not That Bad \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remix OS Now Respects Both GPL and Apache	Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	Licenses https://t.co/JiiQT5yK1Q	Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmny	Jan 20 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Remix OS Now Respects Both GPL and Apache Licenses \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 16:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/689923901388935168 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/689924114103025664	Jan 20 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Disowning #homophobia is awesome, but can't fully endorse until he disowns #javascript ;-)		Jan 20 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: Отлично! Вот на это я пересяду! - Хромиум, вычищенный от всех гугловских шпионящих закладок. Всех. Бех исключений. https://t.co/fhadgGDydX		Jan 20 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: New open-source ad-blocking web browser emerges from brain of ex-Mozilla boss https://t.co/YgpqVtaj9F @BrendanEich fights for justice again		Jan 20 16:42
schestowitz	It did some good before bad people misused it	Jan 20 16:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/689926287859785729	Jan 20 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz It's just not good. :)		Jan 20 16:44
schestowitz	was needed back in the days	Jan 20 16:44
XRevan86	> Chromium	Jan 20 16:44
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689930491487719424	Jan 20 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Keeping Internet free an ongoing battle: 'Anti-Piracy' Site Blocking Used Against Video Game Developer" https://t.co/cfXZtJpLV7 @schestowitz		Jan 20 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| Portuguese 'Anti-Piracy' Site Blocking Used Against US Video Game Developer \| Techdirt		Jan 20 17:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence Desktop Mode	Jan 20 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/7IwBnAX23Z (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmt3	Jan 20 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence Desktop Mode \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New open-source ad-blocking web browser emerges	Jan 20 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	from brain of ex-Mozilla boss Eich	Jan 20 17:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/v3yLHALEga (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 17:12
schestowitz	BrendanEich: "Could you kindly not speak for me or my beliefs? I appreciate your support but (a) you're presuming without knowing; (b) it wouldn't help with the the neo-maoists on the net anyway"	Jan 20 17:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New open-source ad-blocking web browser emerges from brain of ex-Mozilla boss Eich \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 17:12
schestowitz	Sure, I understand and will refrain from doing so again	Jan 20 17:12
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6974200	Jan 20 17:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To #Backdoor #Encryption As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To Backdoor Encryption can bribe for it		Jan 20 17:23
MinceR	https://archive.is/jgLc6	Jan 20 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is \| For fsck's SAKKE: GCHQ-built phone voice encryption has massive backdoor – researcher • The Register		Jan 20 17:31
schestowitz	seen it	Jan 20 17:35
schestowitz	it was probablty the first decent article about this eubject	Jan 20 17:35
schestowitz	see what my tax money is doing?	Jan 20 17:35
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MinceR	yeah	Jan 20 17:39
MinceR	these "national security" institutions are so great for national security	Jan 20 17:39
MinceR	developing all the useless broken shit that breaks the taxpayers' security and privacy they could ever want	Jan 20 17:39
oiaohm	MinceR: to be correct not even good for national security because there have been many documented government breaches into the USA caused by NSA developing useless broken shit and the other government departments believing its secure story for the public.	Jan 20 17:49
MinceR	well, obviously compromising taxpayers' infrastructure is not good for national security	Jan 20 17:50
oiaohm	MinceR: worse the comprised government departments leaks the sections of the NSA own files.	Jan 20 17:51
oiaohm	So its absolutely no good for anyone.	Jan 20 17:51
MinceR	lol	Jan 20 17:51
MinceR	http://devpost.com/software/trumpscript	Jan 20 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-devpost.com \| TrumpScript \| Devpost		Jan 20 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 20/1/2016: Brave Software's New Browser,	Jan 20 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	GitHub Under Fire https://t.co/FZoeMPu0kV	Jan 20 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 20 17:58
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'RemixOS Now Respects Both #GPL and #Apache Licenses...'		Jan 20 17:58
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oiaohm	MinceR: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2015/12/15/how-the-nsa-tried-to-build-safe-encryption-but-failed/ Nice well written write up. On historic attempts at building in backdoors into encryption.	Jan 20 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| A key under the doormat isn’t safe. Neither is an encryption backdoor. - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/ofmwd ]		Jan 20 18:01
oiaohm	Every backdoor attempt in encryption has resulted in disaster sooner or latter.	Jan 20 18:01
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Remix OS Now Respects Both GPL and Apache...'		Jan 20 18:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Phones Will Get a New Music App with	Jan 20 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	Lots of Features After the OTA-9 Update	Jan 20 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XM9l2jgNMM (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 18:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Phones Will Get a New Music App with Lots of Features After the OTA-9 Update		Jan 20 18:09
schestowitz	oiaohm: spy agents now assume theere are holes	Jan 20 18:10
schestowitz	whether in chinese or russia algos	Jan 20 18:11
schestowitz	so their task is just to look for these of backward-engineer these	Jan 20 18:11
schestowitz	like in ENIGMA, excerpt I don't think ENIGMA had any intention back door the Germans knew about	Jan 20 18:11
schestowitz	the key itself was 'the door'	Jan 20 18:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 20/1/2016: Brave Software's New Browser,	Jan 20 18:30
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by GitHub Under Fire https://t.co/FZoeMPu0kV	Jan 20 18:30
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Jan 20 18:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/FheccLV07S	Jan 20 18:30
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmzn	Jan 20 18:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 18:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/ECHbBCo4nT	Jan 20 18:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/J7GnagG53Z	Jan 20 20:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Security Scares https://t.co/Vw9Oo9lNWk	Jan 20 20:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Security Scares \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ExTiX 16.1 OS Is Based on Ubuntu 15.10, Ships	Jan 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS and LXQt 0.10.0	Jan 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VNFwaHIopz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 20:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| ExTiX 16.1 OS Is Based on Ubuntu 15.10, Ships with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS and LXQt 0.10.0 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation quietly drops community	Jan 20 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	representation https://t.co/RBAArq0ada	Jan 20 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 20:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation quietly drops community representation \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 20:12
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6973404	Jan 20 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #MACaddress scrambling coming to #Linux https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/01/20/mac-address-scrambling-coming-to-linux/ can aid #privacy		Jan 20 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> nakedsecurity.sophos.com \| MAC address scrambling coming to Linux – Naked Security		Jan 20 20:58
schestowitz	"If you trust your Management Engine compliant ethernet card to do as the OS says and if you don’t have a PRISM OS, this might do some good. Isn’t 2008 about when Apple joined PRISM?"	Jan 20 20:59
schestowitz	no, 2013	Jan 20 20:59
schestowitz	no, 2013 or 2012	Jan 20 20:59
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6973279	Jan 20 21:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft ’s Campaign to Force Everyone to Use #Vista10 Should Drive/Motivate Immediate Escape to GNU/Linux http://techrights.org/2016/01/20/escaping-microsoft-malware/		Jan 20 21:00
schestowitz	"Heh, 10 years after the release of Vista, they are still trying to kill XP. They can’t because they made XP so propitiatory that billions of dollars in equipment still have IE6 quirks. They might have managed to get immediate hardware flunkies to screw their users. These are the same manufacturers who put all of Vista’s insane, power hogging, and performance destroying, “trip bits” and bus encryption into their hardware to begin	Jan 20 21:00
schestowitz	with. Medical equipment makers are reeling. They have barely started rolling out Windows 7 crap. I’ve got a $3.5 million piece of equipment that still depends on IE6. It would be nice for that vendor to get off Windows, but some combination of Gates ownership and Microsoft politics will probably keep them there forever."	Jan 20 21:00
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schestowitz	I heard of major scanners that dumped XP for Linux	Jan 20 21:00
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'ExTiX 16.1 OS Is Based on Ubuntu 15.10,...'		Jan 20 21:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Control Center Gains Better Bluetooth,	Jan 20 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	Network, and Wacom Support	Jan 20 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/iWWlRjMYkT (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 21:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GNOME Control Center Gains Better Bluetooth, Network, and Wacom Support		Jan 20 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ExTiX 16.1 OS Is Based on Ubuntu 15.10, Ships	Jan 20 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS and LXQt 0.10.0	Jan 20 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HcRctIINaL (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 21:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| ExTiX 16.1 OS Is Based on Ubuntu 15.10, Ships with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS and LXQt 0.10.0		Jan 20 21:56
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cubexyz	I've seen NASA computer screens with motif	Jan 21 02:34
cubexyz	nice to know the whole world isn't on windows	Jan 21 02:35
oiaohm	schestowitz: problem here just because they move to Linux does not mean they will improve their updating policy.	Jan 21 02:38
oiaohm	Secuirty hole central can happen with devices running like 20 year old Linux with zero updates.	Jan 21 02:39
oiaohm	Found that in a security camera set up.	Jan 21 02:39
cubexyz	I don't know anyone who runs 20 year old Linux, outside of classic computing	Jan 21 02:39
cubexyz	that's before redhat 5.2	Jan 21 02:40
oiaohm	cubexyz: gets more fun. Internet connected security camera setup requiring ie5 and active-x for remote access.	Jan 21 02:40
oiaohm	Yes this device was vomit centeral.	Jan 21 02:41
cubexyz	and if your computer is really old, it's actually more secure	Jan 21 02:41
oiaohm	OS was customised Linux from all the way back then.	Jan 21 02:41
cubexyz	that's why the nukes still use PDP-11 tech	Jan 21 02:41
oiaohm	cubexyz: not this case.	Jan 21 02:41
cubexyz	really old as in pre-TCP/IP old	Jan 21 02:42
cubexyz	even a win95 box could be fairly secure without a network card and no TCP/IP	Jan 21 02:43
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/185027-the-vacuum-tube-strikes-back-nasas-tiny-460ghz-vacuum-transistor-that-could-one-day-replace-silicon-fets	Jan 21 02:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.extremetech.com \| The vacuum tube strikes back: NASA’s tiny 460GHz vacuum transistor that could one day replace silicon FETs \| ExtremeTech		Jan 21 02:43
oiaohm	I don't know exactly why we would need 100Ghz + computer that 460GHz transistor allows but we will find something.	Jan 21 02:45
cubexyz	extreme tech is extreme crap	Jan 21 02:45
cubexyz	meaning the site design	Jan 21 02:45
cubexyz	dillo to the rescue for this one	Jan 21 02:46
oiaohm	Mind you they have good writers they are totally let down by poor site design.	Jan 21 02:47
cubexyz	I always thought that Sci-Am was well written	Jan 21 02:50
oiaohm	http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/devices/introducing-the-vacuum-transistor-a-device-made-of-nothing	Jan 21 02:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spectrum.ieee.org \| Introducing the Vacuum Transistor: A Device Made of Nothing - IEEE Spectrum [ http://ur1.ca/ofoh1 ]		Jan 21 02:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: you might like that one better.	Jan 21 02:50
cubexyz	oiaohm, extreme tech gave me a blank screen (probably because of noscript) and 100% cpu use	Jan 21 02:52
oiaohm	I run no script cubexyz	Jan 21 02:52
oiaohm	so it was not noscript.	Jan 21 02:52
cubexyz	ok, odd	Jan 21 02:53
cubexyz	I just tried firefox again, no blank screen this time	Jan 21 02:53
cubexyz	but 100% cpu still	Jan 21 02:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: wait sorry I had allowed www.extremetech.com only.	Jan 21 02:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: without that allowed it blank.	Jan 21 02:54
cubexyz	pretty poor in any case	Jan 21 02:55
oiaohm	spectrum will work without allowing anything.	Jan 21 02:55
cubexyz	I'll just go straight to dillo for these types of URLs	Jan 21 02:55
cubexyz	I would expect spectrum.ieee.org not to be glutted with tons of ads	Jan 21 02:56
oiaohm	Basically we have gone around in a huge circle.	Jan 21 02:57
cubexyz	oiaohm, I can remember when local hardware stores had tube testers for TVs	Jan 21 02:58
oiaohm	It makes me wonder how faster todays computers would be if we had just scaled down the valve instead of going to silicon doping transistors.	Jan 21 02:58
cubexyz	oiaohm, everything had to go to semiconductors	Jan 21 02:59
cubexyz	tubes/values just used way too much power	Jan 21 03:00
cubexyz	MIT Whirlwind used 1 megawatt	Jan 21 03:00
oiaohm	The modern vacuum transistor is still semiconductor scale.	Jan 21 03:05
cubexyz	I don't think it's beyond the proof of concept stage	Jan 21 03:06
cubexyz	one thing we know about transistor based computers... they are pretty durable	Jan 21 03:10
cubexyz	it was a huge improvement over the vacuum tube based stuff	Jan 21 03:11
cubexyz	http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-dmca-rulemaking-is-an-unsustainable-garbage-train?trk_source=recommended	Jan 21 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com \| Why DMCA Rulemaking Is an Unsustainable Garbage Train \| Motherboard		Jan 21 03:14
cubexyz	also ENIAC had 20,000 tubes with each tube having a lifetime of about 2 years	Jan 21 03:14
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://euronanoforum2015.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ENF15_Submit.pdf	Jan 21 03:18
oiaohm	scaling down the vacuum tube gets away from requiring heating and even more shocking even the requirement to have a vacuum.	Jan 21 03:18
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically for some reason we made transistors small scale and never bothered until now to make vacuum tube design small.	Jan 21 03:19
cubexyz	I thought we were going to start printing CPUs :)	Jan 21 03:20
oiaohm	It funny the reason why the old ENIAC valves only lasted 2 years was heating.	Jan 21 03:21
oiaohm	When scaled down to silicon levels no need for heating so massively lifespan extend to vacuum tube designs.	Jan 21 03:22
cubexyz	"Vacuum electronics _may be_ back to the future"	Jan 21 03:22
cubexyz	meaning it's still on the drawing board	Jan 21 03:22
oiaohm	Not exactly on the drawing board 100 percent. High freq radio detection systems need the speeds vacuum transistors can do and nothing else can at the moment.	Jan 21 03:23
cubexyz	also babbages computer wouldn't have overheated either	Jan 21 03:24
cubexyz	not sure how programmable it was though	Jan 21 03:24
cubexyz	I'm guessing not very	Jan 21 03:24
cubexyz	it did have punched cards I think	Jan 21 03:25
cubexyz	Analytical Engine was using Jacquard loom tech	Jan 21 03:26
cubexyz	I think the current tech is better than anything else at the moment	Jan 21 03:28
cubexyz	the big drawback I see now is lack of understanding of computers, inability to repair anything or even source parts	Jan 21 03:32
cubexyz	in my Dad's time he never really dealt with computers much at all	Jan 21 03:34
cubexyz	his world was largely a mechanical world	Jan 21 03:34
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oiaohm	cubexyz: if you look around people have considered nano scaling babbege style computers. Problem is the same issues. Insanely low tolerances so anything getting in the works will screw it results up.	Jan 21 04:04
oiaohm	Out of all the old computer techs the vacuum tubes look like the best to down scale.	Jan 21 04:05
oiaohm	Its not like vacuum tubes had to be close to perfect to work.	Jan 21 04:05
*TweetTuxMachines @faukyx followed @tuxmachines		Jan 21 04:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines File Roller Open Source Archive Manager Now	Jan 21 04:06
TweetTuxMachines	Supports Ubuntu's Click Packages	Jan 21 04:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pwv8UtmZm4 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 04:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam Now Offers Over 1,800 Games to Linux	Jan 21 04:08
TweetTuxMachines	Users, but Usage Remains Under 1%	Jan 21 04:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/d4h3QiRHnN (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 04:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Steam Now Offers Over 1,800 Games to Linux Users, but Usage Remains Under 1%		Jan 21 04:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation shows it backs corporates,	Jan 21 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	not community https://t.co/sPiQaUqLhi	Jan 21 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itwire.com) glad someone said it	Jan 21 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/lerlRyQcJw (ostatic.com)	Jan 21 04:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com \| iTWire - Linux Foundation shows it backs corporates, not community		Jan 21 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| Garrett: Linux Foundation Says Let Them Eat Cake		Jan 21 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Delvv Launches Defumblr Smart Lock Screen for	Jan 21 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	Android https://t.co/0le55nKlmQ	Jan 21 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.adweek.com)	Jan 21 04:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.adweek.com \| Delvv Launches Defumblr Smart Lock Screen for Android \| SocialTimes		Jan 21 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why it's so hard to find good Android tablet	Jan 21 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	apps https://t.co/0O1o8IZh2Y (www.cio.com)	Jan 21 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	"most of them were games."	Jan 21 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oforr	Jan 21 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cio.com \| Why it's so hard to find good Android tablet apps \| CIO		Jan 21 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Marshmallow vs. iOS 9: The Biggest &	Jan 21 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	Best Compared	Jan 21 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8TkFR5r6Sc	Jan 21 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.knowyourmobile.com)	Jan 21 04:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.knowyourmobile.com \| Android Marshmallow vs. iOS 9: The Biggest & Best Compared \| Know Your Mobile		Jan 21 04:35
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schestowitz	> one more:	Jan 21 04:45
schestowitz	> ==	Jan 21 04:45
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 04:45
schestowitz	> "hosted by Jose Miguel Parrella, a Debian Developer and member of	Jan 21 04:45
schestowitz	> Microsoft’s Open Source Strategy team."	Jan 21 04:45
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 04:45
schestowitz	> http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debian-8-linuxfest/	Jan 21 04:45
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 04:45
schestowitz	> There's at least one M$ staff inside Debian	Jan 21 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openness.microsoft.com \| Join the Microsoft Openness team to celebrate Debian 8 at LinuxFest Northwest \| Microsoft Openness Blog		Jan 21 04:45
cubexyz	that's a bit scary	Jan 21 04:45
cubexyz	he's getting the appropriate flack:	Jan 21 04:50
cubexyz	"Embrace Extend Extinguish"	Jan 21 04:50
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Steam Now Offers Over 1,800 Games to Linux...'		Jan 21 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Poker Face? Red Hat plays 'de facto standard'	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	card for enterprise Java apps	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/DTMW6j5OqU	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerweekly.com)	Jan 21 04:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerweekly.com \| Poker Face? Red Hat plays 'de facto standard' card for enterprise Java apps - Open Source Insider		Jan 21 04:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sw1ayfe/status/690110505495740416	Jan 21 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sw1ayfe: @schestowitz techrights or your home page?		Jan 21 04:57
schestowitz	front page	Jan 21 04:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sw1ayfe/status/690112505176309760	Jan 21 05:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sw1ayfe: ha the front page of techrights?		Jan 21 05:07
schestowitz	Yes, not useful to returning visitors, apparently	Jan 21 05:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/EsRevorTeR/status/690113622610173952	Jan 21 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EsRevorTeR: @DavidAllenGreen @schestowitz on topic - same for nitrous oxide in netherlands go figure...		Jan 21 05:21
schestowitz	> x	Jan 21 05:33
schestowitz	> https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=rush+limbaugh+talking+up+apple+products	Jan 21 05:33
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schestowitz	>	Jan 21 05:33
schestowitz	> not worth posting, just FYI about where some of the Apple boosting is from	Jan 21 05:33
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schestowitz	> old	Jan 21 05:33
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schestowitz	> https://theweek.com/articles/461417/rush-limbaugh-republicans-are-apple-democrats-are-android	Jan 21 05:33
schestowitz	I never noticed this, but it sounds familiar.	Jan 21 05:33
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/tekcurmudgeon/status/690127270372073476	Jan 21 06:04
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schestowitz	Google is not an excuse. Comparing two bad actors does not serve to legitimise neither. We need to support GNU/Linux.	Jan 21 06:04
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6974508	Jan 21 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #indonesia is burning its land, polluting the world so that few super-rich people will profit https://www.vice.com/read/whats-being-done-to-stop-palm-oil-plantations-from-destroying-indonesias-rainforests http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-19/oil-rout-threatens-to-scupper-demand-for-palm-oil-in-biodiesel		Jan 21 06:09
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6974200	Jan 21 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To #Backdoor #Encryption As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To Backdoor Encryption can bribe for it		Jan 21 06:09
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6975102	Jan 21 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: “journey through India and Nepal, with the aim of learning about needs of Debian derivatives” http://dr.jones.dk//blends/it-at-school/ http://dr.jones.dk//blends/india2015/		Jan 21 06:10
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schestowitz	>>>>> https://brave.com/#about	Jan 21 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-brave.com \| Brave Software \| Building a Better Web		Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> https://brave.com/#faster	Jan 21 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-brave.com \| Brave Software \| Building a Better Web		Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop	Jan 21 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| brave/browser-laptop: Brave browser for Desktop and Laptop computers running Windows, OSX, and Linux		Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>>	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> Licensed under MPL according to source code, but missing a traditional	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> LICENSE or COPYING file. Not all source files contain licensing info.	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>>> >>>	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>>> >>> Maybe not yet camera-ready. I chatted with Brendan yesterday, should I	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>>> >>> pass this feedback to him?	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>> >> It would be nice to have the i's dotted and the t's crossed. Not all	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>> >> the files have copyright attribution so without a blanket license for	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>> >> the whole project, they are not FOSS. But I only checked the	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>> >> 'browser-laptop' code, if it's elsewhere, then the license should be	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>> >> copied to each subproject so that it is guaranteed to contain licensing	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>>> >> information.	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	>> > I've just told Brendan.	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	> Thanks. I only just now found what might be the contact info. I hope	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	> the browser is a good one. I guess we'll see soon.	Jan 21 06:23
schestowitz	it's an overcrowded space already, even if you're using FOSS as a selling point. I guess offering no ads as a selling point is a new one...	Jan 21 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Game: Teen Patti Live for Samsung Z1 and Z3	Jan 21 06:52
TweetTuxMachines	Available in Tizen Store	Jan 21 06:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/2D3BoS6g4R (www.tizenexperts.com)	Jan 21 06:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| Game: Teen Patti Live for Samsung Z1 and Z3 Available in Tizen Store - Tizen Experts		Jan 21 06:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines File Roller Open Source Archive Manager Now	Jan 21 06:52
TweetTuxMachines	Supports Ubuntu's Click Packages	Jan 21 06:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ln2HBBugeQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 06:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofp4w	Jan 21 06:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| File Roller Open Source Archive Manager Now Supports Ubuntu's Click Packages \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 06:52
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 06:55
schestowitz	Please don't post with Brendan's name visible should you publish this. It's more an FYI.	Jan 21 06:55
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Jan 21 06:55
schestowitz	I guess they will shut down the individual membership program altogether. Let's wait.	Jan 21 06:55
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to improve tech skills while contributing	Jan 21 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	to open source projects https://t.co/ChdSvPSEu1	Jan 21 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofp68	Jan 21 07:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to improve tech skills while contributing to open source projects \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall	Jan 21 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes	Jan 21 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/uguwIaPJ7I (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofp69	Jan 21 07:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 07:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall	Jan 21 07:06
TweetTuxMachines	OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes	Jan 21 07:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Scd05JStgT (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 07:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes		Jan 21 07:06
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS...'		Jan 21 07:06
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS...'		Jan 21 08:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a	Jan 21 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence	Jan 21 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	Included https://t.co/1flaGjFWc5	Jan 21 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 21 08:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included \| Techrights		Jan 21 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Jan 21 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/MQrxjFmOLs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 08:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today and Yesterday in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 08:30
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate...'		Jan 21 08:30
*TweetTuxMachines @TechJournalist favourited 'The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate...'		Jan 21 08:38
*TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate...'		Jan 21 08:38
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today and Yesterday in Techrights https://t.co/MQrxjFmOLs'		Jan 21 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/UVpBpwwyRY	Jan 21 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 09:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/4OLFHtT61S	Jan 21 09:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 09:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 09:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/lbjYNkPTRi	Jan 21 09:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 09:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 09:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Jan 21 09:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/aArnCFPcEn (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 09:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today and Yesterday in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 09:11
msb_	British report says Putin "probably" ordered the murder of Litvinenko, using polonium-210. MPs demand sanctions against Russia.	Jan 21 09:19
msb_	There are so many undetectable ways to kill someone, why would Russians use one that pointed to a nation with a nuclear programme?	Jan 21 09:20
msb_	More likely the CIA killed him that way for that very reason.	Jan 21 09:21
schestowitz	nonsense	Jan 21 09:41
schestowitz	cui bono?	Jan 21 09:41
schestowitz	and you haven't, as far as I knew, yielded any potent evidence for this	Jan 21 09:42
schestowitz	that's like saying Oswald worked for Castro	Jan 21 09:42
schestowitz	the cost analysis suggests Russia had the motivation to kill Litvinenko	Jan 21 09:42
schestowitz	And barring any evidence to implicate those who benefited from Litvinenko's knowledge, it's a weak if not laughable argument	Jan 21 09:43
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today and Yesterday in Techrights https://t.co/aArnCFPcEn'		Jan 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enhanced BeagleBone SBC has 1GB RAM, GbE,	Jan 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	sensors https://t.co/fSKTeK0Nvi	Jan 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 21 09:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Enhanced BeagleBone SBC has 1GB RAM, GbE, sensors · LinuxGizmos.com		Jan 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Other Linux Expos Can Learn a Thing or Two From	Jan 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	SCALE https://t.co/VQFjGpgSdH (fossforce.com)	Jan 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofplt	Jan 21 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Other Linux Expos Can Learn a Thing or Two From SCALE \| FOSS Force		Jan 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kwort 4.3.1 released https://t.co/HoZEz0HHSd	Jan 21 10:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kwort.org \| Kwort Linux \| HomePage		Jan 21 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad	Jan 21 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	News For Linux And Open Source?	Jan 21 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/rgVJ6OhdMb (fossbytes.com)	Jan 21 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1flaGjFWc5 (techrights.org)	Jan 21 10:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossbytes.com \| Why Is Linux Foundation's Latest Change A Bad News For Linux And Open Source?		Jan 21 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam On Linux Hits 1,800 Games Available	Jan 21 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XdzqTV0Btt (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 10:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included \| Techrights		Jan 21 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Steam On Linux Hits 1,800 Games Available - Phoronix		Jan 21 10:00
msb_	schestowitz: Every false-flag operation relies on people suspecting the obvious perpetrator. Cui bono. Occam's Razor. But we know there are false-flag operations. The Reichstag fire. Operation Northwoods. Various attacks by Gladio. Why would Russia use a murder method that points directly to them?	Jan 21 10:06
msb_	...When they could have used any number of methods that _didn't_ point to a nuclear power. Even if you think the Russians are evil, they're not stupid.	Jan 21 10:08
schestowitz	they're not stupid, that's why they'd want to kill Litvinenko	Jan 21 10:11
schestowitz	Even with blowback and public backlash taken into account	Jan 21 10:11
msb_	Suppose they did want to kill him. Why wouldn't they use an undetectable poison, or fake a robbery, or do a drive-by shooting? Any method that wouldn't point to Russia's nuclear capability.	Jan 21 10:20
MinceR	they were stupid enough to destroy their own economy	Jan 21 10:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/690203435006836736	Jan 21 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Because Kernel != RedHat != Distributions? And you still have to show that systemd is desktop only		Jan 21 11:08
schestowitz	just excuses now...	Jan 21 11:08
MinceR	that's what it always was	Jan 21 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Team Fortress 2 Update Brings More Balancing	Jan 21 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements https://t.co/sc3oYKg70V	Jan 21 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 11:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Team Fortress 2 Update Brings More Balancing Improvements		Jan 21 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU/FSF https://t.co/yElN5SU459	Jan 21 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 11:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU/FSF \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 11:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/elbekgt/status/690205135369289728	Jan 21 11:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@elbekgt: #stuxnet, el virus para Windows creado por varias agencias gubernamentales de inteligencia https://t.co/RZp2V9A0uX		Jan 21 11:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Back doors cannot be built which only one side (the Good Guys) can exploit. See how #stuxnet went out of control https://t.co/R8IjlH2x20		Jan 21 11:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Under Fire	Jan 21 11:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/g4zwPwR8Ol (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 11:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation Under Fire \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 11:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenStack Conference https://t.co/QzOuLRLJyh	Jan 21 11:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 11:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenStack Conference \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 11:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE Coverage https://t.co/UMhZTwqH2r	Jan 21 11:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 11:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SCALE Coverage \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 11:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today on Brave Browser https://t.co/eqLs1TqP7c	Jan 21 11:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 11:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today on Brave Browser \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 11:14
msb_	The Russians did not destroy their own economy. It was done by Boris Yeltsin, working with the US "Chicago School" of capitalist economists. This is described in chapter 11 of Naomi Klein''s book The shock doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism. Yeltsin sold off the government-owned factories, etc, of Russia to wealthy investors at a tiny fraction of their actual value. That is what wrecked the Russian economy.	Jan 21 11:33
MinceR	yeah, Yeltsin and his time machine	Jan 21 11:35
msb_	Russians were also smart enough to bring their economy and industrial plant from horse-and-buggy in a couple of decades to the point where they could fight off the Germans. They orbited the first satellite, and designed the first solid H-bomb that could actually be delivered. The US one was liquid.	Jan 21 11:37
msb_	MinceR: what "time machine"?	Jan 21 11:38
msb_	MinceR: Have you read Klein's book?	Jan 21 11:38
MinceR	msb_: russian economy was in the dump well before yeltsin came to power	Jan 21 11:38
MinceR	so was the entire eastern bloc, thanks to the russians	Jan 21 11:39
MinceR	it's probably the reason their empire fell apart	Jan 21 11:39
MinceR	(which they're trying to put together again now)	Jan 21 11:39
msb_	It may have been slow, but he completely destr0yed it.	Jan 21 11:39
msb_	MinceR: Have you read Klein's book?	Jan 21 11:40
MinceR	no	Jan 21 11:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/690207921888706560	Jan 21 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Still the reality, distributions are integrators taking bits of code to make something usable. 1/2		Jan 21 11:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/690208040474271744	Jan 21 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Sounds normal that they integrate stuffs they develop. 2/2		Jan 21 11:40
msb_	Don't refuse to access the information. Please read it.	Jan 21 11:40
MinceR	i have it but i don't read that quickly	Jan 21 11:40
MinceR	and there are other things in the pipeline	Jan 21 11:40
msb_	You only need to read chapter 11.	Jan 21 11:41
msb_	Take you an hour at most.	Jan 21 11:41
MinceR	i have, however, lived in the eastern bloc before the dissolution of the USSR	Jan 21 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Digital Painting with Krita 2.9 provides the	Jan 21 11:46
TweetTuxMachines	missing Krita documentation	Jan 21 11:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3vJt9G2dgY (opensource.com)	Jan 21 11:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Improve your Krita chops with the Digital Painting with Krita 2.9 book \| Opensource.com		Jan 21 11:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad	Jan 21 11:46
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by News For Linux And Open Source?	Jan 21 11:46
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/rgVJ6OhdMb (fossbytes.com)	Jan 21 11:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1flaGjFWc5 (techrights.org)	Jan 21 11:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossbytes.com \| Why Is Linux Foundation's Latest Change A Bad News For Linux And Open Source?		Jan 21 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included \| Techrights		Jan 21 11:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Zeipt retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad News...'		Jan 21 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This Virtual Phone Within Your Android Lets You	Jan 21 11:55
TweetTuxMachines	Use Tor More Securely https://t.co/carQlck4Ky	Jan 21 11:55
TweetTuxMachines	(motherboard.vice.com)	Jan 21 11:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com \| This Virtual Phone Within Your Android Lets You Use Tor More Securely \| Motherboard		Jan 21 11:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Massive ARM v6/v7 Rework Is Landing With	Jan 21 11:55
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.5 Plus Raspberry Pi 2 Support	Jan 21 11:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QAfZOUtCPI (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 11:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofq7n	Jan 21 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| A Massive ARM v6/v7 Rework Is Landing With Linux 4.5 Plus Raspberry Pi 2 Support - Phoronix		Jan 21 11:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/motters/status/690215587671363584	Jan 21 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @fu11circ1e @schestowitz but if members can't vote it may be difficult to elect Karen Sandler		Jan 21 11:55
schestowitz	It might not too late to vote, esp. if there's backlash in the coming week	Jan 21 11:55
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Team Fortress 2 Update Brings More Balancing Improvements...'		Jan 21 11:57
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'A Massive ARM v6/v7 Rework Is Landing With...'		Jan 21 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Material Design-Inspired Linux Distro Papyros	Jan 21 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	Looks Amazing https://t.co/I9ls8pJ3L3	Jan 21 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 11:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Music App for GNOME 3.20 to Feature Truly	Jan 21 12:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad	Jan 21 12:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Some Quick Tests With ZFS, F2FS, Btrfs &	Jan 21 12:28
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schestowitz	"LXF changing bylaws like Facebook changes privacy settings ;-)"	Jan 21 12:31
schestowitz	I can't say I'm sad because this issue is old (I got used to it), it's only now that more people speak out, so maybe things will change	Jan 21 12:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/690218328422518785	Jan 21 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Sadly, I must agree: Linux Foundation a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included #Techrights https://t.co/8wLkMyJDei @schestowitz		Jan 21 12:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ACROPOLITESSE/status/690221190904987648	Jan 21 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ACROPOLITESSE: Un téléphone virtuel sécurisé dans son Android pas pour tous les modèles et avec une base certaine de technicité https://t.co/aDKk1HJHaK		Jan 21 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: This Virtual Phone Within Your Android Lets You Use Tor More Securely https://t.co/anwRLCZTkp #android #linux		Jan 21 12:32
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6975294	Jan 21 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included http://techrights.org/2016/01/21/linux-foundation-coup/		Jan 21 12:35
schestowitz	"Heartbreaking :("	Jan 21 12:35
msb_	We now see FIVE attacks on Linux: 1. systemd 2. UEFI 3. KDE5/Plasma 4. SJWs vs Linus 5. Corporatization of the Linux Foundation	Jan 21 12:41
MinceR	the LF wasn't always corporatized?	Jan 21 12:42
MinceR	also, don't forget kdbus and related efforts to fuck up the kernel	Jan 21 12:43
msb_	goes with systemd	Jan 21 12:43
msb_	LF previously had some input from smaller donors, but no longer.	Jan 21 12:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 21/1/2016: Linux Foundation, Gates	Jan 21 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	Foundation Under Fire; OpenStack Foundation	Jan 21 13:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 21/1/2016: Linux Foundation, Gates Foundation Under Fire; OpenStack Foundation Event Coverage \| Techrights		Jan 21 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/3bQJpOYGng	Jan 21 13:02
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schestowitz	[17:47] <msb_> LF previously had some input from smaller donors, but no longer.	Jan 21 13:11
schestowitz	it's a big issue	Jan 21 13:11
schestowitz	please speak about it online	Jan 21 13:11
schestowitz	it's our first chance in years to change LF for the better	Jan 21 13:11
MinceR	like they'll change	Jan 21 13:11
MinceR	even the fsf is dead	Jan 21 13:11
schestowitz	I've noticed someone posted a response to reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included : linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofqg4 ]		Jan 21 13:12
schestowitz	maybe you can upvote it	Jan 21 13:12
schestowitz	the Mono/MS people already mock me in the comments, ad hominem	Jan 21 13:12
schestowitz	MinceR: FSF isn't dead	Jan 21 13:12
MinceR	what are they doing?	Jan 21 13:12
schestowitz	and they stabilised budget-wise	Jan 21 13:12
schestowitz	I think their budget is over $1m now	Jan 21 13:12
MinceR	what good is all that money for?	Jan 21 13:13
schestowitz	never underestimate their ability to rise again (they fall around 7 years aog)	Jan 21 13:13
MinceR	are they making a stand for free software?	Jan 21 13:13
schestowitz	that money is for campaigns	Jan 21 13:13
schestowitz	and for supportin g some gnu developers/projects	Jan 21 13:13
MinceR	will rms read the FSD ever again and realize it's not a copy of the OSD?	Jan 21 13:13
schestowitz	RMS travel expenses too	Jan 21 13:13
schestowitz	to help him inspire people in other countries to join the cause	Jan 21 13:13
MinceR	what good will those campaigns do if they continue supporting cancerd?	Jan 21 13:13
cubexyz	FSF did work on coreboot too	Jan 21 13:13
schestowitz	they dont' support it	Jan 21 13:14
MinceR	what good will those campaigns do if they continue supporting the destruction of GNU?	Jan 21 13:14
schestowitz	they make a non-statement on it	Jan 21 13:14
schestowitz	which arguably doesn't help eliminate it	Jan 21 13:14
MinceR	they said it's "free software"	Jan 21 13:14
MinceR	which means, according to _their_ definition, that it supports the users' freedoms	Jan 21 13:14
schestowitz	by their 4 freedoms def, it is...	Jan 21 13:14
MinceR	it does no such thing	Jan 21 13:14
schestowitz	they need to change the def	Jan 21 13:14
schestowitz	how about the OSD, Open Source Def?	Jan 21 13:14
schestowitz	did OSI ever comment on... well, anything?	Jan 21 13:14
MinceR	the OSD does what rms apparently believes the FSD is now	Jan 21 13:15
schestowitz	OSI is kind of a zombie now	Jan 21 13:15
MinceR	it's open source because it's under an open source license	Jan 21 13:15
schestowitz	right...	Jan 21 13:15
schestowitz	there are three issues ATM:	Jan 21 13:15
schestowitz	1. OSD/GPL doesn't deal well with "services'	Jan 21 13:15
schestowitz	['cloud' BS, where you keep the software tucked away without source, only HTTP as interface]	Jan 21 13:16
schestowitz	2. software patents	Jan 21 13:16
schestowitz	[I'm working almost ONLY on that ATM]	Jan 21 13:16
schestowitz	3. systemd crap and corporate abuse of Linux development	Jan 21 13:16
schestowitz	[that's why we need to pressure the LF]	Jan 21 13:16
schestowitz	1 and 2 kind of dealt with by (A)GPLv3	Jan 21 13:17
schestowitz	and (3) is an issue, esp. when LF/Trovalds continue to decline to adopt gplv3	Jan 21 13:17
schestowitz	they're funded DIRECTLY by patrons that promote swpats	Jan 21 13:17
MinceR	and it shows	Jan 21 13:18
schestowitz	namely (off top of head) Intel, IBM, HP...	Jan 21 13:18
schestowitz	And there are more	Jan 21 13:18
schestowitz	MS also funds them less directly	Jan 21 13:18
schestowitz	Not sure about Apple...	Jan 21 13:18
schestowitz	But IBM is close to Apple	Jan 21 13:18
schestowitz	for business crap	Jan 21 13:18
msb_	https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/39546.html "The Linux Foundation is an industry organisation dedicated to "promoting, protecting and standardising Linux and open source software"[1]. The majority of its board is chosen by the member companies - 10 by platinum members (platinum membership costs $500,000 a year), 3 by gold members (gold membership costs $100,000 a year) and 1 by silver members (silver membership costs between $5,000 and $20,	Jan 21 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org \| mjg59 \| Linux Foundation quietly drops community representation		Jan 21 13:22
msb_	000 a year, depending on company size). Up until recently individual members ($99 a year) could also elect two board members, allowing for community perspectives to be represented at the board level." But that's now changed. The individual members can no longer vote for board members, and have in fact been relabelled as "individual supporters".	Jan 21 13:22
schestowitz	Jan: "Greg kroah-Hartman shares his view at https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/41x5ec/linux_foundation_quietly_drops_community/cz6193q …"	Jan 21 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| gregkh comments on Linux Foundation quietly drops community representation [ http://ur1.ca/ofqo5 ]		Jan 21 13:26
schestowitz	Good to know, will read...	Jan 21 13:26
schestowitz	from Matthew:	Jan 21 13:28
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 13:28
schestowitz	The LF was, up until recently, soliciting money from individuals with the promise that they'd be allowed to stand and vote for the board. This had been happening since 2008. Deciding to change this without giving any notice to existing members is odd.	Jan 21 13:28
schestowitz	they have continued to support and encourage the SFC to help educate and speak about their issues to the Linux community for all of 2005	Jan 21 13:28
schestowitz	Other than canceling Karen's presentation at Linuxcon Japan shortly before the event? I agree that correlation is not causation, but there's been plenty of hostile behaviour from the LF towards the SFC in the past year. The revocation of an entire class of membership and the amendment of the bylaws to remove two board seats is an unusual act, and taken in the context of this hostility it's completely reasonable to express concern that they'	Jan 21 13:28
schestowitz	re linked.	Jan 21 13:28
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 13:28
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 13:29
schestowitz	A scheduling misunderstanding that results in Karen's talk being canceled and a change in the bylaws that prevents Karen being on the board of directors. The LF is excellent at event organisation - scheduling errors are hardly common occurrences. And this is the first change in the bylaws in 8 years. Two very rare events that both end up affecting the same person could certainly be coincidence, but it's not obvious that that's the most	Jan 21 13:29
schestowitz	plausible explanation.	Jan 21 13:29
schestowitz	I've never served on a board that's made significant changes to membership, published a new version of the bylaws, rewritten the website to remove any references to the old membership class or benefits, taken down the page about the upcoming elections, changed the titles of the existing directors and somehow failed to tell anybody else that this had happened.	Jan 21 13:29
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 13:29
schestowitz	team mono is now attacking me with total nonsense https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included : linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofqg4 ]		Jan 21 13:30
schestowitz	not even factual attacks, just any crap flunk at the wall to discourage people from reading the article	Jan 21 13:30
schestowitz	Mono/MS/Xamarin:	Jan 21 13:30
schestowitz	"Boycott Novell is not a credible source, it's FOSS Infowars."	Jan 21 13:30
schestowitz	And his buddies then, maybe they coordinate it:	Jan 21 13:31
schestowitz	"but the lizardpeople"	Jan 21 13:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 13:31
schestowitz	Please, techrighst are a bunch os loonies, liers, and FUD spreaders and their credibility is zero.	Jan 21 13:31
schestowitz	Its not worth a discussion in reddit.	Jan 21 13:31
schestowitz	'	Jan 21 13:31
schestowitz	"Next up on Techrights: How Microsoft assassinated JFK and faked the moon landing"	Jan 21 13:31
schestowitz	Maybe they mistake me for msb_ ;-p	Jan 21 13:31
msb_	You wish!	Jan 21 13:31
msb_	http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/board-members "The Linux Foundation board of directors currently consists of 16 directors, as specified by the Bylaws." This is consistent with the previous article.	Jan 21 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxfoundation.org \| Board Members [ http://ur1.ca/9xc4l ]		Jan 21 13:32
schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36063/	Jan 21 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com \| LXer: Linus Torvalds: The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included		Jan 21 13:33
schestowitz	"As long as Torvalds is alive, and the source code is available, the Linux kernel project will always exist. I've said it in the past and I'll say it again. The problem with Microsoft isn't their developers. It's the board of directors, executives, and legal team that are the problem."	Jan 21 13:33
cubexyz	reddit isn't any great thing either	Jan 21 13:34
cubexyz	just a bunch of goldfish with 2 second attention spans	Jan 21 13:34
msb_	The previous community influence in the Linux Foundation was 2 of 16 board members -- 12.5% Now it is zero.	Jan 21 13:35
cubexyz	the informational content on that section of reddit was zero	Jan 21 13:37
schestowitz	docker just contacted me	Jan 21 13:37
msb_	Anything on Ian?	Jan 21 13:39
schestowitz	nope	Jan 21 13:39
schestowitz	I checked again 2 days ago	Jan 21 13:39
schestowitz	i might check next month	Jan 21 13:39
schestowitz	but it looks like we'll hear nothing new	Jan 21 13:40
msb_	Do we still not know the cause of death?	Jan 21 13:40
schestowitz	the coroner said probabyl suicide, someone told me	Jan 21 13:40
schestowitz	but that's not really the part I'm interested in	Jan 21 13:40
schestowitz	need witnesses like neighbours regarding the run-in	Jan 21 13:40
schestowitz	the police almost certainly lied about what they did to him	Jan 21 13:40
schestowitz	and got away with it	Jan 21 13:41
schestowitz	to refute we need more witnesses	Jan 21 13:41
msb_	I mean gunshot, overdose, what?	Jan 21 13:41
schestowitz	it doesn't look like Ian's kids and ex-wife are pursuing this	Jan 21 13:41
schestowitz	at least not publicly	Jan 21 13:41
schestowitz	didn't say cause of death	Jan 21 13:41
schestowitz	i'm guessing hanging, based on his last tweet	Jan 21 13:41
schestowitz	a reply to some 4chan troll	Jan 21 13:41
schestowitz	a lot of people didn't see that tweet	Jan 21 13:42
msb_	Actual hanging would be difficult. More likely end up with slow strangulation.	Jan 21 13:44
msb_	Sorry, that is _really_ OT.	Jan 21 13:45
schestowitz	well, talks about Debian founder, so not altogether off topic imho	Jan 21 13:58
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 14:03
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schestowitz	"Linux is a corporation, BSD is a foundation. Why is that surprising?"	Jan 21 14:03
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 14:03
schestowitz	I just was in another thread explaining how companies love the MIT license and hate GPL.	Jan 21 14:03
schestowitz	If i had written a lot of code for FreeBSD and then Apple Inc. took my code i would cut my arm.	Jan 21 14:03
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 14:03
cubexyz	well if Apple was charging money yeah	Jan 21 14:15
cubexyz	if Apple was just distributing the code then no	Jan 21 14:15
cubexyz	depends if it's kernel or userland code	Jan 21 14:15
cubexyz	I thought about a different problem	Jan 21 14:19
cubexyz	what if you write a nice program and someone comes along and ports it to windows?	Jan 21 14:19
cubexyz	on the surface.. it's reasonable and it's happened	Jan 21 14:19
cubexyz	then the windows program could gain all the attention and the Unix version languishes	Jan 21 14:20
cubexyz	the motif license actually stops that from happening	Jan 21 14:20
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 14:33
schestowitz	"Seeing that has affirmed my position on this issue."	Jan 21 14:33
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	I love how RMS talks about freedom out the wazoo, but when someone brings up BSD licenses, he says "Releasing free software under a non-copyleft free software license is basically good (i.e., not evil), but that using copyleft is better."	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	Basically good? People who release software under BSD style licenses are well aware that companies can take their code and profit from it without releasing modified source code.	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	Nobody is holding a gun to you when you choose a distribution license.	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	The MIT license is far more free than the GPL will ever be. How can you claim copyleft is free? I'm not free to modify code and say screw you to the developer?	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	""True" freedom is never desirable. Nobody should be free to steal or vandalize, for example. Stopping people from performing selfish or harmful actions is a good thing. The GPL is "less free" in the same way that not being allowed to mug someone makes you "less free"."	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	If you would written the same code and release it on GLP v3 and no one would use it... what would you do?	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	And we're not talking about licensing here but about way of getting money to pay for software development.	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	"You are assuming GPLv3 code is code "no one would use", which is clearly nonsense."	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	What GPL software do you use in enterprise and what permissive software do you use?	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	BSD and Apache 2 rule the world.	Jan 21 14:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 14:34
cubexyz	gcc?	Jan 21 14:35
cubexyz	kind of important	Jan 21 14:35
schestowitz	kind of ;-)	Jan 21 14:46
schestowitz	even for Linux	Jan 21 14:46
schestowitz	I think at least a few of the GPL violators that are on the members list are VMware (of course), Mediatek, and Allwinner. Do anyone has any other that you can think of?"	Jan 21 14:49
schestowitz	"For the record BTW, I do believe there are problems in the "new Microsoft". My favorite is the Casper Bowden fiasco: http://www.networkworld.com/article/2866286/microsoft-subnet/former-microsoft-chief-privacy-officer-on-the-cloud-conspiracy.html'	Jan 21 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com \| Former Microsoft Chief Privacy Officer on the Cloud Conspiracy \| Network World [ http://ur1.ca/ofr2y ]		Jan 21 14:49
schestowitz	"Ooooohhh you almost got me OP. Almost clicked that link. "	Jan 21 14:49
schestowitz	Trolls from MS Mono try to just defame me there	Jan 21 14:49
schestowitz	"Kind of ironic comment, considering this thread is all about lamenting the (GPLv2'd) Linux kernel's Foundation being too corporate-ised."	Jan 21 14:49
schestowitz	Copyleft restricts people from restricting others. If the argument for releasing under MIT license is "I should give others' freedom in their software usage", then GPL is an alternative, and potentially better, strategy for achieving that."	Jan 21 14:50
cubexyz	I don't really have the heart to argue against BSD folks	Jan 21 14:55
cubexyz	a lot of good things originated from Unix/BSD	Jan 21 14:55
cubexyz	so I use both BSD and Linux (and historical Bell Labs Unix)	Jan 21 14:56
schestowitz	"Oh hell no - you leave us openSUSE/SLE users out of it!"	Jan 21 15:00
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 15:18
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schestowitz	"	Jan 21 15:18
schestowitz	"GPL-Violator Allwinner Joins The Linux Foundation"	Jan 21 15:18
schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=allwinner-joins-lf	Jan 21 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| GPL-Violator Allwinner Joins The Linux Foundation - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/mt3ov ]		Jan 21 15:18
schestowitz	I wonder why Linus Torvalds endorsed this foundation. He gave them access to the trademark too. Maybe the name Linux Foundation should have been used for a more appropriate organization. Something like FSF. The current Linux Foundation is an organization that promotes the use of linux in commercial space.	Jan 21 15:18
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 15:18
schestowitz	"It would be GPL and FOSS incompatible."	Jan 21 15:18
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 15:18
schestowitz	"I'm not free to modify code and say screw you to the developer and every single user?"	Jan 21 15:18
schestowitz	FTFY	Jan 21 15:18
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 15:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/yuhong2/status/690262418094628864	Jan 21 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@yuhong2: @schestowitz To make it clear, you are arguing that all telemetry is bad, right?		Jan 21 15:29
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oiaohm	schestowitz: there are many companies that joined the Linux foundation while they were GPL violators then cleaned up their act. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2012/03/fluendo-lineo-solutions-mocana-and-nvidia-join-linux-foundation	Jan 21 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxfoundation.org \| Fluendo, Lineo Solutions, Mocana and NVIDIA Join The Linux Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/ofreg ]		Jan 21 16:01
oiaohm	schestowitz: that back in 2012 is really lot more controveral than allwinner.	Jan 21 16:01
oiaohm	Remember 2012 Nvidia was still hostile about giving any documentation to open source nvidia hardware driver developers.	Jan 21 16:02
oiaohm	schestowitz: now what makes it super controlersal is this. http://www.wired.com/2012/06/torvalds-nvidia-linux/ Yes Nvidia joins the Linux foundation a few days latter Linus lets them have it.	Jan 21 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wired.com \| Linus Torvalds Gives Nvidia the Finger. Literally \| WIRED [ http://ur1.ca/ofrev ]		Jan 21 16:03
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oiaohm	schestowitz: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2015/06/new-linux-foundation-members-advance-open-source-enterprise I like the allwinner statement.	Jan 21 16:18
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oiaohm	schestowitz: "Allwinner is joining the Linux Foundation to support Linux and to improve what we see as two important open source software development capabilities: collaboration and compliance," said Jack Lee, Chief Marketing Officer, Allwinner Technology. "These two concepts are critical yet difficult to master for new Linux community entrants like ourselves."	Jan 21 16:18
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schestowitz	oiaohm: i know	Jan 21 18:26
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 18:28
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schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	ITT: People asking for a better source as if this is a revelation.	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	The Linux Foundation is a consortium of corporations guys, their interest is of course purposing Linux to corporate ends, is that surprising?	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	The discussion is not whether or not RH, GNOME, Linux Foundation, Freedesktop.org and all those other big organizations whose staff is mostly employed by organizations with a profit margin serve a corporate agendum first and foremost. The discussion is whether by doing so they benefit us or not.	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	One may argue that in doing so we are benefited, not an argument I necessarily agree with but a reasonable one all the same. Arguing against that these organizations with a profit margin staffed by people paid by organizations with a profit margin are some-how not looking after the corporate interest of their employers is ridiculous. If they did not do so they should be fired. If you're employed by a corporation your first and foremost	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	responsibility is the financial well being of that corporation. It's almost like asking whether a lawyer should look out for the interests of his or her client.	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	"/r/stallmanwasright"	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	"I am in particular talking about the culture though."	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	"The fiasco definitely doesn't fit under the "new Microsoft" label then; it occurred squarely under Balmer. Also, I'll take the reason he says he was fired with a grain of salt; I never outright trust what anyone says when they've been fired from a company."	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	LOL	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	"But I am thinking that Satya probably made it worse, see Win10 for an example."	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	"We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the W10 stuff is far more a mountain-from-a-mole-hill situation."	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	Looks like some Microsoft PR got in there..	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	"Once they start buying the nice things in life like they would expect of their "standing" it is game over and Linux foundation be owned."	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	Down voted due to the crap that techrights posts, if you're british you would know of the sun newspaper.... well techrights is basically the sun but for the computer industry.	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	They have no credible sources and yes the linux foundation isn't all that its cracked up to be but thats got nothing to do with microsoft, techrights just bash microsoft for the sake of it.	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	Has a lot to do with Microsoft	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	Time to fork Linux. I obviously mean in a comprehensive sustained way with much backing from the community, not just some random guy forking it and adding features on his own. I'm talking about Linux's "LibreSSL" moment.	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	Even better if we start with a Grsec kernel and go from there.	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	What a fucking load of bullshit.	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	We have /nothing/ to do with this. We have /nothing/ to do with the LXF's changes.	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	These mother fuckers have VMWare influencing them and AllWinner on the board.	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	And you fucking want to point the finger at MS?	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	I've just about fucking had it with how far this subreddit's members have their heads shoved up an anti-MS asshole.	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	the MSFTers have arrived	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	to plant seeds of BS	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	LITERALLY THE ONLY LINK MS HAS TO ANY OF THIS IS:	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	We open sourced Chakra and are in the process of contributing it back to node.js. The node community seems very excited about this as Chakra is faster than V8, has more of ES6 implemented, AND breaks up the V8-monoculture that has permeated node.js.	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	There's no downside. The community has been very welcoming.	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	That's the ONLY link this article uses to trash Microsoft. Fuck off. Microsoft has nothing to do with the problems at LXF right now.	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	LMFAO. You've got to be fucking kidding me, right?	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	Our "open source strategy team" is a bunch of fucking dorky tech-heads that probably lurk in /r/linux and wound up in this group at Microsoft because they wanted to be part of the OSS community.	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	Really, the FUD here, as someone who knows the day-to-day reality... it just makes you all look incredibly god damn childish.	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	Don't even say what's not correct	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	If you would written the same code and release it on GLP v3 and no one would use it... what would you do?	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	And we're not talking about licensing here but about way of getting money to pay for software development.	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	You are assuming GPLv3 code is code "no one would use", which is clearly nonsense."	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	What GPL software do you use in enterprise and what permissive software do you use?	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	BSD and Apache 2 rule the world.	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	"Kind of ironic comment, considering this thread is all about lamenting the (GPLv2'd) Linux kernel's Foundation being too corporate-ised."	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	"Pretty much everything is GPL. The kernel. Userland, for the most part."	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	"Pretty much the only GPL thing I use at work is... git."	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	"So you don't use Linux or any of the gnu userland. Color me skeptical."	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	No, I write software infrastructure for loans and credits, it's oracle-java based, runs on Windows, we write in IDEA, work with maven which is apace licensed, all libraries we use are of course apache and BSD licenced, because it would be too problematic too attach any GPL code. In many cases we had to develop wheels all over, because from financial and legal POV it's cheaper than attacking GPL library. Code hosted on gitlab (MIT) on Docker (	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	Apache2). Some people write in Spring (apache2) in Eclipse (eclipse public license). I use Firefox (MPL + GPL), but it's not essential to my work.	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	The only GPL thing we use is git. GPL has no place in the industry. It's permissive or close-source. Google and IBM and MS are working on RISC architecture reborn, it will be BSD-licensed hardware+software (also firmware), companies decided it have to be BSD or nothing.	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	Software like Linux are too technologically advanced and too important to be lead by community, and because Linux foundation model is to get rich supporters it had to happen sooner or later, BSD is foundation driven by donations from supporters, not "financial leaders" who dictate what development steps system will follow: https://i.imgur.com/iC0j45J.png	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	Anyone who complains about this issue and had never given any donation to FSF or Linux should just stay quiet, you can't get Linux for free, so you have to deal with companies that pay for it.	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors	Jan 21 18:33
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schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	"I dint know what industry you work in, but everything is gpl. It's the license de rigueur."	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	Not all people feel this way, which is why some release their code under very permissive licenses.	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	Part of writing code for FreeBSD is using their list of acceptable licenses and the repercussions of such licenses, including the possible commercial use.	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	It is very likely that code contributed to FreeBSD will be used by Apple because of the close ties between the two operating systems.	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	Apple also uses some GPL stuff, like CUPS, which they maintain.	Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:33
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201393 apple in fact uses a lot of different GPL stuff all over the place in OS X.	Jan 21 18:37
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schestowitz	yes, is that a good thing?	Jan 21 18:42
oiaohm	Here is the insanity. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-amd64/2011-March/013740.html Even Sony making game stations has been forced to upstream so much using BSD licenses due to how much maintaince effect not upstreaming is.	Jan 21 18:43
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oiaohm	So the bit about GPL forcing the release of source code being a problem. People forget not releasing source code can be equally big problem.	Jan 21 18:44
oiaohm	schestowitz: with apple bash and other GPL parts have got patches from Apple developers. So good thing.	Jan 21 18:45
schestowitz	can you show me apple.com addresses committing changes to GNU projects?	Jan 21 18:45
schestowitz	I can't think of any (GNU)	Jan 21 18:46
schestowitz	like bash...	Jan 21 18:46
oiaohm	schestowitz: you will never see that. Annoying all Apple developers have personalised email addresses. Goes back to steven jobs. remember steven jobs exploited loop hole in law to always drive cars without number plates.	Jan 21 18:53
oiaohm	Basically it simple to find redhat, intel, ibm.... everyone else contributors than apples.	Jan 21 18:54
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 19:15
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schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:15
schestowitz	Time to fork Linux. I obviously mean in a comprehensive sustained way with much backing from the community, not just some random guy forking it and adding features on his own. I'm talking about Linux's "LibreSSL" moment.	Jan 21 19:15
schestowitz	Even better if we start with a Grsec kernel and go from there.	Jan 21 19:15
schestowitz	'	Jan 21 19:15
schestowitz	"Once they start buying the nice things in life like they would expect of their "standing" it is game over and Linux foundation be owned."	Jan 21 19:15
schestowitz	oiaohm: so the answer regarding apple and gnu is no	Jan 21 19:16
schestowitz	to your best knowledge	Jan 21 19:16
schestowitz	apple.com address do show up in some bsd things like clang/llvm	Jan 21 19:16
schestowitz	anyway, they took lgpl khtml	Jan 21 19:16
schestowitz	made it their own pretty much	Jan 21 19:17
schestowitz	webkit	Jan 21 19:17
schestowitz	as for jobs, I once heard this story	Jan 21 19:17
schestowitz	which I cannot verify with a link	Jan 21 19:17
oiaohm	schestowitz: apple addresses show up when they have maintainership.	Jan 21 19:17
schestowitz	it's about jobs contacting mit (IIRC) to urge them to supoort gnu and rms	Jan 21 19:17
oiaohm	Not invidual submissions.	Jan 21 19:17
schestowitz	commits are not made anonymosuly	Jan 21 19:18
schestowitz	unless for some bizarre reason 9-5 apple staff uses pseusonyms	Jan 21 19:18
oiaohm	Even some redhat developers don't sumbit under redhat email addresses.	Jan 21 19:18
schestowitz	but you know who they are	Jan 21 19:19
schestowitz	base don their namee	Jan 21 19:19
schestowitz	BTW, NSA too submits patches, via redhat.com addresses	Jan 21 19:19
schestowitz	pushing it via Fedora/Red Hat devs, someone told me (who works for red hat)	Jan 21 19:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Opinion: Open source for all mankind	Jan 21 19:20
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oiaohm	9-5 apple developer staff normally have 3 to 4 email addresses used. For something simple to see.	Jan 21 19:24
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sweet-90848120	Jan 21 19:25
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oiaohm	100 percent apple.	Jan 21 19:25
oiaohm	schestowitz: code of his into no cups projects appears coming from http://www.msweet.org/	Jan 21 19:25
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oiaohm	no cups/non cups	Jan 21 19:25
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oiaohm	schestowitz: that is the way the apple developers are.	Jan 21 19:26
oiaohm	schestowitz: so working out apple submissions is a pure pain.	Jan 21 19:27
schestowitz	"Especially me ... and especially this comment ;)"	Jan 21 19:29
schestowitz	"Protecting VMware.'	Jan 21 19:29
schestowitz	oiaohm: doubt it	Jan 21 19:29
schestowitz	oiaohm: I'm not buying it	Jan 21 19:29
schestowitz	just find one example of an apple employee, any for that matter, submitting a patch or actively developing some gnu package	Jan 21 19:30
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oiaohm	schestowitz: I could remember Michael Sweets off top of head. The others are harder. I can tell you that does not actively develop some gnu package. They are all 1 off patches address issues.	Jan 21 19:47
oiaohm	schestowitz: what drew my attention was particular developers doing a lot of OS X releated patches for items like bash that are normally not built third party due to being supplied with OS X.	Jan 21 19:48
oiaohm	schestowitz: so could they do more yes. But they are not doing nothing.	Jan 21 19:49
schestowitz	"What's wrong with corporations? You sound like a bunch of whiny liberals. There's nothing in the GPL saying you can't use free software to make money."	Jan 21 20:02
oiaohm	Not all corporations.	Jan 21 20:04
oiaohm	Percentage of corporations complain long and loud about GPL.	Jan 21 20:04
oiaohm	Percentage of corporations don't care.	Jan 21 20:05
oiaohm	and a Percentage got on with the job of using GPL selling support and making money.	Jan 21 20:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The cost of ditching Windows XP? More than	Jan 21 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	$12,000 per person https://t.co/BQDMi69J2q	Jan 21 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.techrepublic.com) #microsoft does a lot of	Jan 21 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	damage. #gnu #linux	Jan 21 20:26
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oiaohm	Sad part is cost $12000 dollars per person could apply upgrade those systems to WIndows 10, OS X or anything else yet I expect trolls not to know that.	Jan 21 20:28
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MinceR	014916 < oiaohm> schestowitz: so could they do more yes. But they are not doing nothing.	Jan 21 20:43
MinceR	they're doing worse than nothing	Jan 21 20:43
MinceR	they've sold the idea of locked-down, backdoored, dumbed-down computers to the masses	Jan 21 20:43
MinceR	they're one of the main reasons closed platforms are spreading	Jan 21 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromium OS for Raspberry Pi 2 Gets an 8%	Jan 21 20:45
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oiaohm	MinceR: again that is still not doing nothing. Dumbed-down computers is the idea Apple started with even when they were fully closed source.	Jan 21 20:46
MinceR	yeah	Jan 21 20:46
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oiaohm	MinceR: the idea of dumbed down interface may not be wrong. Backdoored and locked-down in ways end users cannot control those without question fail secuirty base principles so are absolutely wrong.	Jan 21 20:55
MinceR	i can't decode that	Jan 21 20:55
MinceR	anyway, dumbed down interfaces do not belong on general purpose computers	Jan 21 20:55
MinceR	then again, crApple and their like are doing everything they can to make general purpose computers a thing of the past	Jan 21 20:56
oiaohm	Nothing says general purpose computer has to require lots of training to use.	Jan 21 20:56
oiaohm	So the idea of simplified straight forwards interfaces of apple could the correct way.	Jan 21 20:57
MinceR	if the ui limits you to a small set of options (or none), you can't express the things you could otherwise do with a computer	Jan 21 20:57
MinceR	removing options because they might confuse idiots is not the correct way	Jan 21 20:57
oiaohm	Simplified straight forward interfaces does not say no advanced option buttons.	Jan 21 20:58
MinceR	removing functionality because they might confuse idiots is not the correct way	Jan 21 20:58
MinceR	the crApple/gnome way has no place for "advanced option buttons"	Jan 21 20:58
oiaohm	MinceR: you do find advanced option buttons in difference places in OS X and OS i	Jan 21 20:59
oiaohm	Gnome not having them at all is 100 percent problem.	Jan 21 20:59
MinceR	yeah, i've seen the system settings dialog in OSux	Jan 21 20:59
MinceR	it's a joke.	Jan 21 20:59
MinceR	and some of the settings they did put in do not even work	Jan 21 21:00
oiaohm	That is poor implementation of the idea.	Jan 21 21:00
MinceR	like the alleged shortcut for more keyboard-friendly GUI still doesn't let you select some widgets	Jan 21 21:00
oiaohm	In fact settings not connected to anything is poor coding.	Jan 21 21:00
MinceR	macos is not a work environment, it's a toy	Jan 21 21:00
MinceR	and where humanity's going, there won't be any tools or workstations, there will be only toys and prisons	Jan 21 21:01
oiaohm	Backdoors breach basic security principles. Build in a backdoor someone else other than you will use it one day.	Jan 21 21:01
MinceR	yet our governments and oligarchs love backdoors so much	Jan 21 21:02
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oiaohm	Even when long term it always results in them hacked they don't learn from history. If they did they would not want back doors.	Jan 21 21:03
oiaohm	Locked down computer with the keys in the own of the machines hands is good. Locked down like what apple is doing is putting trust that apple will not be forced to hand over master keys to government or get breached themselves.	Jan 21 21:05
MinceR	even if they aren't forced or breached, they're untrustworthy	Jan 21 21:05
MinceR	i wouldn't let those criminals have such access to any piece of my infrastructure	Jan 21 21:05
oiaohm	Basically its the old Polyculture vs monoculture from cropping.	Jan 21 21:06
oiaohm	The better your diversity in protection values the harder a security system is to attack.	Jan 21 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Company of Heroes 2: The Western Front Armies	Jan 21 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	to Arrive on Linux Soon	Jan 21 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/xjxnTm8rSw (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wkd3m41XD5	Jan 21 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.develop-online.net)	Jan 21 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofsri	Jan 21 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Company of Heroes 2: The Western Front Armies to Arrive on Linux Soon		Jan 21 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.develop-online.net \| Company of Heroes™ 2 – The Western Front Armies deploying across Mac and Linux January 21st \| Games industry press releases \| Develop		Jan 21 21:07
oiaohm	So a lock down system in control of the supplier is less of a Polyculture than a lock down system that the owner controls.	Jan 21 21:08
oiaohm	MinceR: basically we have learnt nothing from history. Monoculture was proven bad from many famines cause by crop infections.	Jan 21 21:09
oiaohm	To be correct learnt nothing from history or nature.	Jan 21 21:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE 14X Thursday: New Morning in Pasadena	Jan 21 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oxyFH5IsZZ (fossforce.com)	Jan 21 22:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| SCALE 14X Thursday: New Morning in Pasadena \| FOSS Force		Jan 21 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Major Banks Complete ‘Modest’ Blockchain Test	Jan 21 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KZOubdZfj9 (blogs.wsj.com)	Jan 21 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oft2a	Jan 21 22:15
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DuoAphex	anyone here familiar with Remix OS?	Jan 21 23:05
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msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remix_OS	Jan 21 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Remix OS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jan 21 23:09
msb_	Try ##linux	Jan 21 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Are you a Fedora Women? Then Let us Know!	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/9WaSbrEL64 (tatica.org)	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oftb9	Jan 21 23:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tatica.org \| Are you a Fedora Women? Then Let us Know!		Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nyko Unveils Cygnus Gaming Controller For	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	Android Devices https://t.co/Si6XVzVKHx	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.ubergizmo.com)	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oftba	Jan 21 23:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Security https://t.co/HiXrOCXDe3	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oftbb	Jan 21 23:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Security \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kwort Linux 4.3.1 Officially Released with	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	Security Patches, Bootloader Improvements	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/9oWj3aADzt (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oftbe	Jan 21 23:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kwort Linux 4.3.1 Officially Released with Security Patches, Bootloader Improvements \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.4 Milestone Brings the GNOME 3.20	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	Desktop Environment Closer to Reality	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RezsQOyBrd (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oftbf	Jan 21 23:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME 3.19.4 Milestone Brings the GNOME 3.20 Desktop Environment Closer to Reality \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The cost of ditching Windows XP? More than	Jan 21 23:12
TweetTuxMachines	$12,000 per person https://t.co/yA1haE05R2	Jan 21 23:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 23:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oftbg	Jan 21 23:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The cost of ditching Windows XP? More than $12,000 per person \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 23:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux Gets a Rolling Edition with	Jan 21 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	Continuously Updated Penetration Testing Tools	Jan 21 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/LtnKM7UdER (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oftbs	Jan 21 23:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kali Linux Gets a Rolling Edition with Continuously Updated Penetration Testing Tools \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 23:13
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DuoAphex	thanks	Jan 21 23:14
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cubexyz	oiaohm, monoculture on computers is over	Jan 22 03:24
cubexyz	and not soon enough	Jan 22 03:24
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oiaohm	cubexyz: we are not free of monoculture risks just yet but its better than it was for a long time.	Jan 22 04:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/DJJesC/status/690448249359044608	Jan 22 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DJJesC: @d_seaman pretty much what he said. https://t.co/s5ANjyb7CP		Jan 22 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #facebook has done enormous damage to people's lives, people's time, people's egos, the Internet and the world. It's our job to undo this.		Jan 22 04:17
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 22 04:18
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schestowitz	"Dorky tech head lurker, can confirm."	Jan 22 04:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GParted Live 0.25.0-1 Is Based on Debian Sid,	Jan 22 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.3.3, and GParted 0.25.0	Jan 22 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/i9S1HqiIGc (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofudk	Jan 22 04:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kwort Linux 4.3.1 Officially Released with	Jan 22 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	Security Patches, Bootloader Improvements	Jan 22 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/cEHO6AYN86 (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofudl	Jan 22 04:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.4 Milestone Brings the GNOME 3.20	Jan 22 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	Desktop Environment Closer to Reality	Jan 22 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/PRkYKbCkzU (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofudz	Jan 22 04:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GNOME 3.19.4 Milestone Brings the GNOME 3.20 Desktop Environment Closer to Reality		Jan 22 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Maps 3.19.4 Is Out with OpenStreetMap	Jan 22 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements, Keyboard Navigation Overlay	Jan 22 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/L4nTlrsHIU (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofue0	Jan 22 04:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GNOME Maps 3.19.4 Is Out with OpenStreetMap Improvements, Keyboard Navigation Overlay		Jan 22 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux Gets a Rolling Edition with	Jan 22 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	Continuously Updated Penetration Testing Tools	Jan 22 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ofRn0qCQN5 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofue1	Jan 22 04:25
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cubexyz	don't listen to wintards that only know how to use windows and nothing else	Jan 22 04:42
cubexyz	I've used windows, and I rejected it	Jan 22 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Early 2016 Look: OpenCL & CUDA Comparison On 13	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	NVIDIA GPUs https://t.co/qbkZUEqOaV	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofufz	Jan 22 04:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Early 2016 Look: OpenCL & CUDA Comparison On 13 NVIDIA GPUs - Phoronix		Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines USB Suspend Changes Coming For The Linux 4.5	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel https://t.co/JdmaxoeW3k	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofug0	Jan 22 04:43
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*TweetTuxMachines @InetUnlimited followed @tuxmachines		Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sink or swim is one way to learn Linux	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/LCYSt9cisS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofug1	Jan 22 04:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Sink or swim is one way to learn Linux \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines USB Suspend Changes Coming For The Linux 4.5	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel https://t.co/3Z8eBN4Lv8	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofug3	Jan 22 04:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| USB Suspend Changes Coming For The Linux 4.5 Kernel \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Update https://t.co/nQjOpAy5wf	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofug4	Jan 22 04:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	Remaining Bugs Before GNOME 3.20	Jan 22 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OKePKqIc0z (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 04:43
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cubexyz	the real experts of computing: David A. Huffman, Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie	Jan 22 04:44
cubexyz	I can't believe how shitty windows is... really it's nothing to be proud of	Jan 22 04:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Wayland ready yet? https://t.co/sz1FfDd2DG	Jan 22 04:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 04:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofugf	Jan 22 04:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Maps 3.19.4 Is Out with OpenStreetMap Improvements,...'		Jan 22 04:45
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MaMagruder/status/690470012000321536	Jan 22 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MaMagruder: Omfg this is the best https://t.co/1qmtwZImXd		Jan 22 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Canada may "scrub" #CETA rule allowing corporations to sue governments but we'll keep it in the TPP? https://t.co/oVnr6SIA7f #isds #tpp		Jan 22 04:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Chaim__Goldberg/status/690470209879183360	Jan 22 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Chaim__Goldberg: *Criminal Bruce Jenner https://t.co/DowYjGC172		Jan 22 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Students hit back at fancy-dress #censorship https://t.co/4r8eC9yphK https://t.co/S6KfRJKEYT policy gone awry		Jan 22 04:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/DJJesC/status/690448249359044608	Jan 22 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DJJesC: @d_seaman pretty much what he said. https://t.co/s5ANjyb7CP		Jan 22 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #facebook has done enormous damage to people's lives, people's time, people's egos, the Internet and the world. It's our job to undo this.		Jan 22 04:56
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6976983	Jan 22 04:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/690477179646447616	Jan 22 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @Softpedia Not willing to use a kali rolling release full time yet but I shall put this on a spare x60 to see how it goes.		Jan 22 05:21
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last Remaining...'		Jan 22 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Headliner: Will Android On PC Finally	Jan 22 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	Become Mainstream? https://t.co/8WOUyFRPll	Jan 22 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Jan 22 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofunc	Jan 22 06:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CoH2 The Western Front Armies Is Arriving For	Jan 22 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Next Week https://t.co/C6136QDvje	Jan 22 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 22 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofupl	Jan 22 06:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.4 released https://t.co/tSKEeT09ni	Jan 22 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	(permalink.gmane.org)	Jan 22 06:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org \| GNOME 3.19.4 released		Jan 22 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sink or swim is one way to learn Linux	Jan 22 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pjoEjePYF8 (opensource.com)	Jan 22 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofupy	Jan 22 06:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Brian Rogers tells us how he got started with Linux \| Opensource.com		Jan 22 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Update https://t.co/MycqDKG0f0	Jan 22 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxfoundation.org) parts of it	Jan 22 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	reassuring, others more like damage control	Jan 22 06:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxfoundation.org \| Linux Foundation Update		Jan 22 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofupz	Jan 22 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last	Jan 22 06:22
TweetTuxMachines	Remaining Bugs Before GNOME 3.20	Jan 22 06:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SFdsmJstJW (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 06:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuq8	Jan 22 06:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Shell Adds Style Week Numbers in	Jan 22 06:22
TweetTuxMachines	Calendar, Mutter Support Screen Rotation	Jan 22 06:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KxG2e4laGE (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 06:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use of	Jan 22 06:22
TweetTuxMachines	the Name, Cub Linux Is Born	Jan 22 06:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/03HR6ZFclz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 06:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqa	Jan 22 06:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BQ is about to drop an Ubuntu tablet that	Jan 22 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	doubles as a PC https://t.co/CKJFyvzCdd	Jan 22 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqf	Jan 22 06:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android on PC https://t.co/h0pSfmSJmk	Jan 22 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqg	Jan 22 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android on PC \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Wayland ready yet? https://t.co/4X2786UhpS	Jan 22 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	(who-t.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 22 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqh	Jan 22 06:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use of	Jan 22 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	the Name, Cub Linux Is Born	Jan 22 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/cRGOb65Ozg (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqi	Jan 22 06:23
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schestowitz	http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/23171/linux-foundation-gemeinschaft-im-vorstand-nicht-mehr-erwuenscht.html	Jan 22 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pro-linux.de \| Linux Foundation: Gemeinschaft im Vorstand nicht mehr erwünscht - Pro-Linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofuek ]		Jan 22 06:28
schestowitz	"Das Programm der individuellen Mitgliedschaft der Linux Foundation wurde entsprechend in Individual Supporter umbenannt. Die Bedingungen und Vergünstigungen sind wie bisher, vielleicht sogar besser, nur das aktive und passive Wahlrecht entfällt. Die Gemeinschaft hat immer noch eine Stimme im Vorstand, und zwar über den technischen Beirat (TAB), der einen Vertreter aus der Gemeinschaft wählt. Neben Garrett sehen auch Beobachter wie Roy	Jan 22 06:28
schestowitz	Schestowitz in dem Schritt eine Abwendung von der Gemeinschaft, möglicherweise als direkte Folge einer Beeinflussung durch Microsoft. Die einzige Reaktion der Linux Foundation bestand bisher darin, bestehende Individualmitgliedschaften nicht mehr automatisch zu verlängern - möglicherweise, weil aufgrund der Satzungsänderung sowieso ein außerordentliches Kündigungsrecht besteht."	Jan 22 06:28
schestowitz	techrights	Jan 22 06:28
schestowitz	also in http://www.golem.de/news/matthew-garrett-linux-foundation-verhindert-vorstand-aus-der-community-1601-118671.html http://www.computerbase.de/2016-01/wirtschaft-linux-foundation-schwaecht-community-vertreter/	Jan 22 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.golem.de \| Matthew Garrett: Linux Foundation verhindert Vorstand aus der Community - Golem.de [ http://ur1.ca/ofuqs ]		Jan 22 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerbase.de \| Wirtschaft: Linux Foundation schwächt Community-Vertreter - ComputerBase [ http://ur1.ca/ofuqt ]		Jan 22 06:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/690494134646411264	Jan 22 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: @schestowitz I've been a Linux user for 11 years & I'm still learning. My ignorance threshold is now more rarefied.		Jan 22 06:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6976983	Jan 22 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "How transatlantic regulatory cooperation under TTIP will allow bureaucrats and big business to attack the public interest" http://corporateeurope.org/international-trade/2016/01/dangerous-regulatory-duet		Jan 22 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> corporateeurope.org \| Dangerous Regulatory Duet \| Corporate Europe Observatory [ http://ur1.ca/ofuhp ]		Jan 22 06:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BQ is about to drop an Ubuntu tablet that	Jan 22 06:36
TweetTuxMachines	doubles as a PC https://t.co/QL2J7u79JG	Jan 22 06:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.digitaltrends.com)	Jan 22 06:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofurf	Jan 22 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaltrends.com \| BQ Is About to Drop the World's First Ubuntu Tablet \| Digital Trends		Jan 22 06:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last Remaining...'		Jan 22 06:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Shell Adds Style Week Numbers in Calendar,...'		Jan 22 06:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use...'		Jan 22 06:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use...'		Jan 22 06:38
schestowitz	[01:44] <MinceR> they're one of the main reasons closed platforms are spreading	Jan 22 07:04
schestowitz	You mean like ChromeOS?	Jan 22 07:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@timwillo Looking forward to hearing @Mark_Antony at the	Jan 22 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Open for Business 2.0 Conference in Dublin	Jan 22 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Castle -2nd March... Open Data, Source,	Jan 22 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	Standard	Jan 22 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuvh	Jan 22 07:28
*TweetTuxMachines @CarsonArtz favourited 'Indus OS Raises $5M To Make Android Work...'		Jan 22 07:28
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MinceR	no, i mean like iOS	Jan 22 07:45
*TweetTuxMachines @CarsonArtz favourited 'Bluboo Xwatch claims to be a $99 Android...'		Jan 22 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Looking forward to having the lovely	Jan 22 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	@hammondazizsays for a visit at our new offices	Jan 22 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	in Bracknell.	Jan 22 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofv74	Jan 22 09:26
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Big__Kev/status/690506992293650432	Jan 22 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Big__Kev: @AJimenez1988 @schestowitz we don't know that's speculation.		Jan 22 12:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/690506639489785856	Jan 22 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @Big__Kev @schestowitz Meanwhile Putin is responsible for the death of someone who had a long list of enemies.		Jan 22 12:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/690508121106747392	Jan 22 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @Big__Kev @schestowitz My point exactly. Double standards.		Jan 22 12:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/amaginnit/status/690510360152035329	Jan 22 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@amaginnit: @AJimenez1988 @Big__Kev @schestowitz you mean he got Blair? (Rereads tweet) oh I see.		Jan 22 12:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/690526628540223488	Jan 22 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @amaginnit @Big__Kev @schestowitz We won't be so lucky.		Jan 22 12:03
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schestowitz	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2016/Jan-22.html	Jan 22 13:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No single license to success	Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/S3dfN8pXBK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwj8	Jan 22 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| No single license to success \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/7jy9dnShCZ	Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwj9	Jan 22 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 8 Reasons to Consider Open-Source Databases for	Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	Your Business https://t.co/onQDYU7eX4	Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwja	Jan 22 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 8 Reasons to Consider Open-Source Databases for Your Business \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux Reviewed, Release	Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SXgqf4dOVy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 14:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwjb	Jan 22 14:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation News https://t.co/4OBBOTYzWX	Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxbg	Jan 22 17:59
*TweetTuxMachines @Unnamed0ne followed @tuxmachines		Jan 22 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation News \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics https://t.co/C3kNZIJ1MT	Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxbi	Jan 22 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Graphics \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.5 Through Linux 4.4 Kernel Benchmarks:	Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	A 19-Way Kernel Showdown Shows Some Regressions	Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3Gj2PWnshh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxbl	Jan 22 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 3.5 Through Linux 4.4 Kernel Benchmarks: A 19-Way Kernel Showdown Shows Some Regressions \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat News https://t.co/6bA7d2pasX	Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxbm	Jan 22 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat News \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/lddgD0YRQ3	Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxbn	Jan 22 17:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE 14X https://t.co/M8qNt9rT7m	Jan 22 20:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 20:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxx0	Jan 22 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SCALE 14X \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 20:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LF's Zemlin: Nothing's Changed Quit Complaining	Jan 22 20:41
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0dw3XqyZCg (ostatic.com) covering	Jan 22 20:41
TweetTuxMachines	up the core issue	Jan 22 20:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxx2	Jan 22 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| LF's Zemlin: Nothing's Changed Quit Complaining		Jan 22 20:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I hope Sandler [...] not only is allowed to	Jan 22 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	run for office, but wins a place on the board."	Jan 22 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/hOieNOuYcl (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 22 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxy9	Jan 22 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Linux Foundation leadership controversy erupts \| ZDNet		Jan 22 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why did Linux Foundation cut independent board	Jan 22 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	seats? https://t.co/7pU9PIGw0l	Jan 22 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.networkworld.com)	Jan 22 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxya	Jan 22 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com \| Why did Linux Foundation cut independent board seats? \| Network World		Jan 22 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Might Be Delayed with One	Jan 22 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	Day Due to a Unity 8 Security Bug	Jan 22 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eLe2Y0ZlKa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxyb	Jan 22 20:47
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msb_	I added my comment to the RT article about Litvinenko, using my google+ account, and the website worked perfectly and took it, which is more than can be said for some. https://www.rt.com/op-edge/329815-litvinenko-british-hypocrisy-cameron/	Jan 22 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Litvinenko saga: British hypocrisy exposed in verdict 'probably' influenced by politics — RT Op-Edge [ http://ur1.ca/ofy2g ]		Jan 22 21:14
msb_	Note my avatar, which is a picture of my sister's cute cat.	Jan 22 21:15
MinceR	http://www.politics.hu/20160122/opposition-wary-of-terrorist-threat-basic-law-amendment-proposal/	Jan 22 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politics.hu \| Opposition wary of ‘terrorist threat” basic law amendment proposal \| Politics.hu [ http://ur1.ca/ofy4u ]		Jan 22 21:34
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Might Be Delayed with One...'		Jan 22 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines If #RedHat is an open organisation, then so is	Jan 22 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	the #NSA https://t.co/zD1DThWV2M	Jan 22 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itwire.com)	Jan 22 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofy7w	Jan 22 22:08
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msb_	9,000 children permanently brain damaged by lead in the drinking water of Flint, Michigan, known by the Republican governor and his cronies, who kept it secret and did nothing to correct it. Here is American "news" program "20/20" billed as honest professional news topic tonight: "A Capitol Offense -- Michigan state Rep. Todd Courser is caught on tape scheming to spread rumors he was involved in casual gay sex to help cover an	Jan 23 00:10
msb_	extramarital affair between him and a colleague, Rep. Cindy Gamrat."	Jan 23 00:10
msb_	MinceR, we _already_ have government-controlled TV news.	Jan 23 00:12
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oiaohm	msb_: Australia had something kinda worse instead of water airbone lead.	Jan 23 02:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remote Wayland Preview, GNOME 3.20 / Fedora 24	Jan 23 02:47
TweetTuxMachines	Is Shaping Up Well For #	Jan 23 02:47
TweetTuxMachines	Wayland https://t.co/ltte6OLurM	Jan 23 02:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 02:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofz60	Jan 23 02:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Remote Wayland Preview, GNOME 3.20 / Fedora 24 Is Shaping Up Well For Wayland - Phoronix		Jan 23 02:47
oiaohm	msb_: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-17/mining-emissions-in-mount-isa-cause-lead-poisoning-in-children/4757502 Environmental protection controls not working happens in many places this was kept secret for 3 decades.	Jan 23 02:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abc.net.au \| Xstrata mining emissions causing lead poisoning in Mount Isa children: report - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) [ http://ur1.ca/ofz66 ]		Jan 23 02:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Stoney APUs Bring ETC2 Open-Source Driver	Jan 23 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	Support https://t.co/DGD98xKBvw	Jan 23 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzgn	Jan 23 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| AMD Stoney APUs Bring ETC2 Open-Source Driver Support - Phoronix		Jan 23 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Miguel de Icaza says "Linux kernel source code	Jan 23 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	such a pleasure to use" https://t.co/0lwvXSHRoL	Jan 23 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	(tirania.org) but serves #microsoft	Jan 23 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jg4yHsEnOZ (techrights.org)	Jan 23 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tirania.org \| Shared Projects or PCL? - Miguel de Icaza		Jan 23 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzgo	Jan 23 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Miguel de Icaza - Techrights		Jan 23 04:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/690827200623415296	Jan 23 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: #Україна Мораль истории с кибератаками? Вообще не пользоваться ничем от microsoft. https://t.co/D0999uLWr2		Jan 23 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Moral of the #ukraine story? Don't use #microsoft https://t.co/lMCQdqEPQc https://t.co/pw2T2Ssk2S https://t.co/MrB7HqJVua		Jan 23 04:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/robtaylor78/status/690836493045207040	Jan 23 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@robtaylor78: @schestowitz https://t.co/TJpOg7JiLD		Jan 23 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bloomberglabs.com \| About \| Bloomberg API \| Bloomberg Labs		Jan 23 05:03
schestowitz	Thanks	Jan 23 05:03
*TweetTuxMachines @BenLeeNR favourited 'Indus OS Raises $5M To Make Android Work...'		Jan 23 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines uNav GPS navigator for Ubuntu Touch Receives	Jan 23 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	Several Improvements https://t.co/XgkqfH1sd0	Jan 23 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzq0	Jan 23 06:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| uNav GPS navigator for Ubuntu Touch Receives Several Improvements		Jan 23 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on with Kali Linux Rolling	Jan 23 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/PnEEKk3kj0 (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 23 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzq7	Jan 23 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Hands-on with Kali Linux Rolling \| ZDNet		Jan 23 06:06
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'uNav GPS navigator for Ubuntu Touch Receives Several...'		Jan 23 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port	Jan 23 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	on their radar https://t.co/SgxdAkO3tr	Jan 23 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 23 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzr4	Jan 23 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Wayland status update https://t.co/ENJzlDVwiK	Jan 23 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	(blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 23 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzr8	Jan 23 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port on their radar \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 23 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/01/22/a-wayland-status-update-2/ )		Jan 23 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Bug Butcher released for Linux & SteamOS,	Jan 23 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	here's some thoughts for you	Jan 23 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ysnSZVrGsi (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 23 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzr9	Jan 23 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Bug Butcher released for Linux & SteamOS, here's some thoughts for you \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 23 06:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 things every Android user should know	Jan 23 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/UJONBWfCec (www.technobuffalo.com)	Jan 23 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzvx	Jan 23 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.technobuffalo.com \| 5 things every Android user should know		Jan 23 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Development kit runs Linux on Renesas	Jan 23 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	Cortex-A15 SoC https://t.co/Eh2xDu1Kvz	Jan 23 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 23 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzvy	Jan 23 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Development kit runs Linux on Renesas Cortex-A15 SoC · LinuxGizmos.com		Jan 23 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PulseAudio 8.0 Officially Released	Jan 23 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eJJdcorlQX (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/yOd0avjb07 (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5VJfEjgq0U (www.winehq.org)	Jan 23 07:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's Gedit App to Be Known as "Text Editor"	Jan 23 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	Among GNU/Linux Distributions	Jan 23 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/WLVsBYljuz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 07:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why open source is the 'new normal' for big	Jan 23 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	data https://t.co/yXX7M6DqzL	Jan 23 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzwp	Jan 23 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why open source is the 'new normal' for big data \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for	Jan 23 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	elementary OS https://t.co/3OfCwucFfc	Jan 23 07:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 07:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for elementary OS \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 07:29
msb_	Habitat (1997) -- a wonderful sci-fi movie starring Alice Krige (Borg Queen, Mother Vamp in Sleepwalkers) in another courageous role. Humanity has destroyed the ozone layer, causing intense UV bombardment, but a scientist develops a method for humanity to evolve biologically into a whole new life-form. The movie is obtainable.	Jan 23 07:29
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MinceR	msb_: so do we	Jan 23 09:06
MinceR	msb_: and we don't have anything else	Jan 23 09:07
MinceR	atv makes a really weak pretense of being opposition, but that fell apart when its owner commanded its most vocal opposition program to be shut down	Jan 23 09:07
msb_	At least you can access alternative new sites on the Web.	Jan 23 09:08
msb_	Do you get RT?	Jan 23 09:08
MinceR	i do	Jan 23 09:08
msb_	Lots of good stuff on there.	Jan 23 09:08
MinceR	but under those provisions, they can shut down internet access as well	Jan 23 09:08
MinceR	what's more worrying is that they can also restrict travel	Jan 23 09:09
MinceR	locking down the borders, just like under the communist/socialist dictatorship	Jan 23 09:09
MinceR	to prevent the slaves from escaping	Jan 23 09:09
msb_	It would be very bad PR if they did that.	Jan 23 09:09
msb_	Best for you to focus on the world as it is, not the worst case of how it might be.	Jan 23 09:10
msb_	Live in the now.	Jan 23 09:11
msb_	Imagining a dystopic future will make you depressed.	Jan 23 09:11
msb_	If it does get bad you can fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQMAGT-3wx4	Jan 23 09:15
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MinceR	me and what army?	Jan 23 09:17
msb_	The army of other displeased people. You're not the only one.	Jan 23 09:18
msb_	Watch RT. They cover events of the whole world.	Jan 23 09:19
msb_	It's not controlled by Putin.	Jan 23 09:19
MinceR	most people embrace oppression	Jan 23 09:20
MinceR	and yes it is	Jan 23 09:20
MinceR	even people i would previously mistake for intelligent people on irc keep echoing orban's bullshit to me	Jan 23 09:20
MinceR	and other nazi bullshit too	Jan 23 09:21
MinceR	this is nazi hungary	Jan 23 09:21
msb_	Nazi like Ukraine or just authoritarian?	Jan 23 09:23
MinceR	nazi like nazi germany and putin	Jan 23 09:23
msb_	you're confusing a corporatist political movement with authoritarianism.	Jan 23 09:24
msb_	Putin is authoritarian. He's not nazi.	Jan 23 09:24
msb_	If you confuse concepts, you won't be able to think accurately.	Jan 23 09:25
MinceR	he's also fascist, nationalist, is in cahoots with a cult and is trying to bring back an empire that called itself communist and socialist	Jan 23 09:25
MinceR	i'm just tired of the various authoritarian sects' game of "we're totally different from those guys which makes us good!"	Jan 23 09:26
MinceR	i'm also tired of various cults trying on labels by the dozen in the hope that it will obscure their true nature	Jan 23 09:26
msb_	He's doing some good things -- fighting ISIL working with various non-US-aligned nations economically.	Jan 23 09:27
msb_	You are purposely distorting your thinking.	Jan 23 09:27
MinceR	yeah, it's interesting how putler and the us allegedly "fighting" ISIL somehow end up attacking each other's allies	Jan 23 09:28
MinceR	but i'm sure they both want to beat the ISIL	Jan 23 09:28
MinceR	it's not like they both want a place where they can test their military equipment	Jan 23 09:28
msb_	You are purposely distorting your thinking. I can't talk with you.	Jan 23 09:29
MinceR	then don't	Jan 23 09:29
MinceR	it's an interesting new expression for "disagreeing with me"	Jan 23 09:30
MinceR	(the crime of our age)	Jan 23 09:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine 1.9.2 Lands with GStreamer 1.0 and Shader	Jan 23 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	Model 4 Support https://t.co/zcIoYAJGxO	Jan 23 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) https://t.co/pgj6fEn3EN	Jan 23 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 10:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Wine 1.9.2 Lands with GStreamer 1.0 and Shader Model 4 Support		Jan 23 10:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SUSE Survey Finds There Just Aren't Enough	Jan 23 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	OpenStack Skills to Go Around	Jan 23 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/T050OypKTH (ostatic.com)	Jan 23 10:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE 14X: Making the Mark and Getting Ready	Jan 23 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	for Doctorow https://t.co/jBWRcQOrjl	Jan 23 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	(fossforce.com)	Jan 23 10:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| SCALE 14X: Making the Mark and Getting Ready for Doctorow \| FOSS Force		Jan 23 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCaLE 14x, day 1: Shuttleworth delivers the	Jan 23 10:39
TweetTuxMachines	grand vision for #Ubuntu	Jan 23 10:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bfjCrTHmTt (www.cio.com)	Jan 23 10:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cio.com \| SCaLE 14x, day 1: Shuttleworth delivers the grand vision for Ubuntu \| CIO		Jan 23 10:40
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msb_	MinceR: At some point in your life you decided to always look at the worst in everything. Probably because you figured that then you would never be taken by surprise. You made that decision so long ago that you forgot that you made it, and so you think that the distorted way you see the world is the way it really is. I made the same decision, with the same result, when I was a child. But later I remembered it and realized it was	Jan 23 10:45
msb_	wrong.	Jan 23 10:45
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msb_	MinceR: Now you're used to being a miserable depresso, and you don't want to change. But you're just being silly.	Jan 23 10:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.5 Through Linux 4.4 Kernel Benchmarks:	Jan 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	A 19-Way Kernel Showdown Shows Some Regressions	Jan 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/lg3OYz9gre (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 10:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux 3.5 Through Linux 4.4 Kernel Benchmarks: A 19-Way Kernel Showdown Shows Some Regressions - Phoronix		Jan 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma Mobile’s Vision https://t.co/J17jydbF0o	Jan 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	(sessellift.wordpress.com)	Jan 23 10:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sessellift.wordpress.com \| Plasma Mobile’s Vision \| sessellift		Jan 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android-powered Acer Jade Primo apparently in	Jan 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	the works https://t.co/rZaXIXomfc	Jan 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gsmarena.com) https://t.co/E3m4RqEA6g	Jan 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Jan 23 10:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com \| Android-powered Acer Jade Primo apparently in the works - GSMArena.com news		Jan 23 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com \| Rumor: Acer Developing Android Variant Of The Jade Primo \| Androidheadlines.com		Jan 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Might Be Delayed with One	Jan 23 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	Day Due to a Unity 8 Security Bug	Jan 23 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ghjjGAFIY5 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 11:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Feature Request: Why Android Wear needs Force	Jan 23 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	Touch-like features https://t.co/uq9bz8L2Ao	Jan 23 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	(9to5google.com)	Jan 23 11:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com \| Feature Request: Why Android Wear needs Force Touch-like features \| 9to5Google		Jan 23 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Marshmallow: release date, name and	Jan 23 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	features https://t.co/35RThEiCoI	Jan 23 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itpro.co.uk)	Jan 23 11:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's Gedit App to Be Known as "Text Editor"	Jan 23 11:34
TweetTuxMachines	Among GNU/Linux Distributions	Jan 23 11:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8gFAF5Nqam (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 11:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for	Jan 23 11:34
TweetTuxMachines	elementary OS https://t.co/fWrltEKcid	Jan 23 11:34
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 11:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for elementary OS		Jan 23 11:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.76 LTS Has MIPS, x86 and IPv6	Jan 23 11:34
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements, Updated Drivers	Jan 23 11:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/f3IUqDEMIQ (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 11:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og0ox	Jan 23 11:34
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schestowitz	> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-cost-of-ditching-windows-xp-more-than-12000-per-person/#previous-next-top	Jan 23 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| The cost of ditching Windows XP? More than $12,000 per person - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/og0r7 ]		Jan 23 11:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 23 11:56
schestowitz	> The exit cost needs to be counted in the TCO for any software,	Jan 23 11:56
schestowitz	> especially proprietary:	Jan 23 11:56
schestowitz	> http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/informatics/oss_tech/index_en.htm	Jan 23 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ec.europa.eu \| Open Source Strategy in the European Commission - DIGIT [ http://ur1.ca/331n3 ]		Jan 23 11:57
schestowitz	yes, but some framed it as a cost of Linux!	Jan 23 11:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.76 LTS Has MIPS, x86 and IPv6	Jan 23 12:52
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements, Updated Drivers	Jan 23 12:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/EFQGDOtYJ1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 12:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Kernel 3.2.76 LTS Has MIPS, x86 and IPv6 Improvements, Updated Drivers \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 12:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation chief spins to justify	Jan 23 12:52
TweetTuxMachines	keeping community out https://t.co/9yFwSfRWRl	Jan 23 12:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itwire.com)	Jan 23 12:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com \| iTWire - Linux Foundation chief spins to justify keeping community out		Jan 23 12:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 23/1/2016: New Kali Linux, Google Teams	Jan 23 12:52
TweetTuxMachines	with Red Hat https://t.co/wgSj2S0FKN	Jan 23 12:52
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 23 12:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/HojozV1J5T	Jan 23 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 12:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 23/1/2016: New Kali Linux, Google Teams with Red Hat \| Techrights		Jan 23 12:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: OSS \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/drQOFC3CBh	Jan 23 12:53
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6975574	Jan 23 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 12:53
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schestowitz	"	Jan 23 12:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 12:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: .@LinuxFoundation causes uproar by quietly removing community representation from its board http://www.information-age.com/industry/software/123460821/linux-foundation-causes-uproar-quietly-removing-community-representation-its-board time to demand answers		Jan 23 12:53
schestowitz	This is probably coordinated with the Azure push. Watch them start training for and recommending Suse on Azure. All the benefits of software freedom all the hardware Wintel has to offer, in a PRISM. Watch that be the “solution,” the accepted backdoor, to “terrorists” using strong encryption. Red Hat bent to UEFI, if they go along with this, it will be more disgrace for them.	Jan 23 12:53
schestowitz	Microsoft wins no matter how things end up. The infiltrated Linux Foundation will be accepted as a corporate safe way, perhaps the only legal way, of running free software. That, or the community rejects the Linux Foundation and it goes the way of ISO, discredited and impotent.	Jan 23 12:53
schestowitz	The lack of community cohesion and action is disgraceful. Microsoft continues to destroy free software commercial support, and they continue to pit the survivors against each other. Even if our governments are too corrupt to step in on obvious anti-trust grounds, the free software community should recognize the game and plan a united front to escape. Red Hat, IBM, Google, and other surviving free software using companies should escape the	Jan 23 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/pAoqGyzHHv	Jan 23 12:53
schestowitz	Intel hardware lock and make platforms that they can all trust. If they keep trading software freedom for some petty advantage on x86, the software owners will win and all of them will be gutted like Nokia, Yahoo, Novell and, SCO before them. It’s so obvious that all of them need hardware that’s free software from the metal up.	Jan 23 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 12:53
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schestowitz	"	Jan 23 12:53
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cubexyz	we don't really have hardware we can understand	Jan 23 13:13
cubexyz	or repair for that matter	Jan 23 13:13
cubexyz	sure, we can do component replacement, replace old RTCs, old SIMMs, old BIOS chips	Jan 23 13:14
cubexyz	but the reality is more like a bic-lighter for most	Jan 23 13:15
cubexyz	but there are a few specialists out there that can do board level repair	Jan 23 13:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/690958201324462082	Jan 23 13:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IBMLinuxONE: Catch @WIREDInsider stream the IBM LinuxONE launch 🐧🐧🐧🐧 https://t.co/DqP0RbWbD0		Jan 23 13:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ManCityPhotos/status/690961206442618882	Jan 23 13:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ManCityPhotos: Joe Hart is special. https://t.co/ATD3YRPO3g		Jan 23 13:28
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msb_	schestowitz: Maybe I'm not understanding you, but using x86 machines is a huge advantage, because that's what most computer professionals and users already have. And can't all Linux distros work around UEFI? You also said that some people framed the $12,000 cost of getting rid of Windows XP as a cost of Linux. Mental framing is very important. We see the use of FOSS and open standards as being virtually cost-free, and also the	Jan 23 13:33
msb_	natural (world-wide human) way of doing things. But some Microsoft victims think that the MS way is normal, and FOSS is something new and exotic.	Jan 23 13:33
MinceR	for now, we can work around uefi, but the noose is tightening	Jan 23 13:36
MinceR	uefi on x86, that is	Jan 23 13:37
MinceR	probably not on arm, and that's what it will look like on x86	Jan 23 13:37
MinceR	then again, a sechole in winblows could probably be used to chain-load a real OS even from there	Jan 23 13:38
msb_	X86 machines are also cheap and powerful. But it's always best to choose AMD CPUs if possible, because these are less likely to have backdoors than Intel.	Jan 23 13:38
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msb_	If AMD CPUs dissipate a little more heat than Intel, make sure they have good heat-sinking and ventilation.	Jan 23 13:40
cubexyz	evidently there's a guide for installing Ubuntu on Surface Pro 3	Jan 23 13:40
cubexyz	they are replacing EFI boot with something called eEFind	Jan 23 13:41
cubexyz	er, rEFind	Jan 23 13:42
cubexyz	not my first choice, but it shows that people who really want linux on their systems can do it	Jan 23 13:44
MinceR	afaik that's still EFI boot	Jan 23 13:44
MinceR	just a UI to select which os/bootloader you want to use	Jan 23 13:45
cubexyz	yeah it looks messy	Jan 23 13:52
cubexyz	I wasn't about to suggest everyone go out and buy surface pro 3's :)	Jan 23 13:52
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cubexyz	http://www.computerworld.com/article/2471299/open-source-tools/dennis-ritchie-and-steve-jobs----quite-the-juxtaposition.html	Jan 23 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com \| Dennis Ritchie and Steve Jobs -- quite the juxtaposition \| Computerworld		Jan 23 15:22
MinceR	"Jobs arguably founded an industry based on the integrated circuit."	Jan 23 15:25
MinceR	[citation needed]	Jan 23 15:25
cubexyz	yeah I thought that sounded wrong	Jan 23 15:25
MinceR	but then, what did i expect from IDG	Jan 23 15:25
cubexyz	at least he tried, better than some	Jan 23 15:26
cubexyz	at least he had some inkling of the importance of Tesla	Jan 23 15:28
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 15:28
cubexyz	integrated circuit is also a bit vague	Jan 23 15:30
cubexyz	microprocessor would have been closer to the truth	Jan 23 15:31
MinceR	"dumbed-down computers" would have been even closer	Jan 23 15:33
MinceR	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-23/anyone-using-new-york-city-roads-after-230pm-will-be-arrested	Jan 23 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| Anyone Using New York City Roads After 2:30pm Will Be Arrested \| Zero Hedge		Jan 23 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation and Linux	Jan 23 15:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/j3abaagCpg	Jan 23 15:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rockstor 3.8-11 Linux-Based Free NAS Solution	Jan 23 15:51
TweetTuxMachines	Has Rock-Ons and UI Improvements	Jan 23 15:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HQJD1DyhuT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 15:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice Picks https://t.co/fcIu6FwaT7	Jan 23 15:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 15:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora N-1 Upgrades Approved, F24 June 7, F25	Jan 23 15:51
TweetTuxMachines	Nov 8 https://t.co/AGOGA6eTTI	Jan 23 15:51
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MinceR	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-23/bloomberg-may-run-president-after-becoming-frustrated-race-gone-haywire	Jan 23 16:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| Bloomberg May Run For President After Becoming "Frustrated" With Race Gone "Haywire" \| Zero Hedge		Jan 23 16:28
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MinceR		Jan 23 16:41
schestowitz		Jan 23 16:52
schestowitz	ewww... bloomberg	Jan 23 16:52
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 16:52
schestowitz	we already have clinton running for wall street	Jan 23 16:52
schestowitz	we don't need mr wall street himself to run directly	Jan 23 16:52
MinceR	maybe we'll get more comedy out of the race this way	Jan 23 16:52
schestowitz	maybe he'll make the coke ban (sort of) nationwise	Jan 23 16:53
schestowitz	*wide	Jan 23 16:53
MinceR	soft drinks or cocaine?	Jan 23 16:53
schestowitz	it would be funny if he ran against rump	Jan 23 16:53
schestowitz	though I think he's conservative too	Jan 23 16:53
schestowitz	it would show, for the first time, the real owners of the country running directly	Jan 23 16:53
schestowitz	who else to join? Waltons and Bill Gates?	Jan 23 16:53
schestowitz	bezos?	Jan 23 16:53
schestowitz	!google bloomberg can coke	Jan 23 16:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - What #Shareacoke Reveals About Advertising - Bloomberg View \| http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-26/what-shareacoke-reveals-about-advertising	Jan 23 16:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - U.S. Urged to Cut Sugar Equal to a Half-Can of Coke a ... - Bloomberg \| http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-07/new-diet-guidelines-say-americans-should-cut-back-on-sugar-meat	Jan 23 16:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Germany: Coca-Cola Seeks Sales Boost via Food ... - Bloomberg \| http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-28/germany-coca-cola-seeks-sales-boost-via-food-delivery-app	Jan 23 16:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Can Coke Fight Obesity By Making Soda a Treat? - Bloomberg ... \| http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/b/847867d9-87f9-4411-83f6-5152a686b902	Jan 23 16:54
schestowitz	wait, was it Cuomo's idea?	Jan 23 16:54
MinceR	:D	Jan 23 16:54
schestowitz	Andrew Cuomo?	Jan 23 16:55
schestowitz	Can't even reall his surname, but he did a publicity stunt recently, regarding the homeless in NY	Jan 23 16:55
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/425s2j/jim_zemlin_on_the_linux_foundations_bylaw_changes/	Jan 23 17:46
schestowitz	"So, am I understanding that they did in fact change it so that the $99 members can't replace either Larry or Bdale with Karen?"	Jan 23 17:46
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4250u3/scale14x_linux_sucks/	Jan 23 17:49
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schestowitz	"Bryan Lunduke, a Linux lover working at Suse"	Jan 23 17:49
schestowitz	Working at SUSE?>!	Jan 23 17:49
MinceR	"working" at suse	Jan 23 17:49
schestowitz	is it true though?	Jan 23 17:55
schestowitz	He never stated this afaik	Jan 23 17:55
schestowitz	By Rob Enderle http://www.datamation.com/commentary/cyber-insecurity-in-2016-we-are-not-ready.html	Jan 23 17:56
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oiaohm	The part that annoys me is that the security nightmare is not new.	Jan 23 18:16
oiaohm	Also I like how they say Microsoft and Intel have it right yet the most common complaint about Linux distrobutions is the forced updating breaking applications that have not been maintained.	Jan 23 18:17
cubexyz	that's ridiculous	Jan 23 18:28
cubexyz	Microsoft is worse not better	Jan 23 18:28
cubexyz	windows uses more cpu cycles to do the same work	Jan 23 18:32
cubexyz	plus they force upgrades people don't want in an endless cycle	Jan 23 18:32
oiaohm	Problem here is security is a endless cycle it self.	Jan 23 18:34
oiaohm	Because what is secure today may not be secure in a few months time.	Jan 23 18:34
cubexyz	not at all	Jan 23 18:37
cubexyz	that would assume infinite bugs	Jan 23 18:37
cubexyz	well, it's not infinite	Jan 23 18:37
cubexyz	eventually if the internet facing stuff is hardened enough it's good enough	Jan 23 18:37
oiaohm	There are endless bugs due to encryption.	Jan 23 18:37
cubexyz	eh?	Jan 23 18:38
oiaohm	encryption is a attempt to make a solution that is too hard to brute force and does not have flaws.	Jan 23 18:38
cubexyz	not in reality	Jan 23 18:38
cubexyz	anyways I don't use ssl on my server	Jan 23 18:39
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oiaohm	Of course as computer power increases old encryptions and checksum solutions come open to brute forcing.	Jan 23 18:40
oiaohm	Like SHA1 collisions recently.	Jan 23 18:40
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oiaohm	Even if you don't use ssl on your server you have banking and system integrity metrics that depend on stuff not being able to be brute-forced.	Jan 23 18:41
cubexyz	it's locked down by a bunch of different things	Jan 23 18:41
oiaohm	So encryption endless bugs end when we cannot make faster and more powerful computers.	Jan 23 18:41
cubexyz	for one thing, I only allow online banking from one IP address	Jan 23 18:42
cubexyz	I never use any other computer for it	Jan 23 18:42
cubexyz	so I'm pretty sure the banks are fine	Jan 23 18:44
cubexyz	I even do periodically checks on my BIOS, the bash shell, etc	Jan 23 18:46
cubexyz	static ip even	Jan 23 18:54
cubexyz	some banks even let you define access times	Jan 23 18:55
cubexyz	transaction limits too	Jan 23 18:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: remember lot of banks if you attempt to use a 4 year old webbrowser will just drop your connection.	Jan 23 18:56
oiaohm	So there is a percentage of mandatory upgrading.	Jan 23 18:57
oiaohm	x86 Personal Computer when IBM designed it was designed as toy and was never designed to be secure.	Jan 23 19:00
cubexyz	I think the standard the banks use nowadays is 128-bit encryption	Jan 23 19:01
oiaohm	Now that groups are attempt to after market fix the security design in a peace meal method equals bigger mess.	Jan 23 19:01
cubexyz	the banks are probably more out of date than I am	Jan 23 19:05
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cubexyz	IE 5.01 SP2 or higher?	Jan 23 19:06
cubexyz	Netscape Communicator 7.1 with 128-bit encryption	Jan 23 19:06
oiaohm	To be stupid those don't pass current day PCI DSS that currently mandates 256 AES as min.	Jan 23 19:07
oiaohm	Yes banks don't even obey the standards they are meant to in a lot of cases.	Jan 23 19:07
cubexyz	I have SSL3 with AES 256 but who knows if the bank uses it	Jan 23 19:09
oiaohm	But that is what they are meant to be using by PCI DSS. What is the standards banks are meant to obey.	Jan 23 19:10
oiaohm	This is half the problem with security. Not only are end users lax as anything. Big important things like Banks are also horribly lax. Yes why banks are so fast to refund invalid transaction on credit cards.	Jan 23 19:11
oiaohm	You think about the PR nightmare if the banks refused to refund a invalid translation and it came out in court the banks were not up to standard and that is why it happened.	Jan 23 19:12
cubexyz	well, it's good to check things of course	Jan 23 19:13
oiaohm	cubexyz: super fun https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page all bank sites are meant to conform to everything recommend here as well as part of PCI DSS	Jan 23 19:28
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oiaohm	How secure is you bank sad to run in some cases following what PCI DSS recommends and how many places different banks break it.	Jan 23 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux Rolling Released With Features That	Jan 23 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	Make It The Best OS For Ethical Hackers	Jan 23 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/D9b4NrLAIc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 19:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux and Linux Foundation News	Jan 23 19:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/3tWtypgcpG	Jan 23 19:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Divided Over Ubuntu’s Unity	Jan 23 19:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Desktop GNU/Linux and Chrome OS	Jan 23 19:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.3.4 https://t.co/0m286qQeWU	Jan 23 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 19:48
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/691040435167465473 https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/691040606215409665	Jan 23 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I've read your artivle about Linux foundation (though I never had too much faith on it, it's a front for a pool of corps)		Jan 23 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Now, I'm slowly going BSD. I wonder if there's so much corporate intrusion in BSD side.		Jan 23 20:07
oiaohm	http://devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelforall/egl-eye-opengl-visualization-without-x-server/ At long last. Looks like I might be able to run blender slaves without X11 instances.	Jan 23 20:08
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MinceR	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/22/japanese_chief_tpp_negotiator_accused_of_100000_bribe/	Jan 23 20:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Divided Over Ubuntu’s Unity	Jan 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bq8BntniaB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines La Fundación Linux se ha Convertido en Un	Jan 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines	Títere Favoreciendo Corporaciones, Gran	Jan 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines	Influencia ($$) de Microsoft	Jan 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ANeV7wVFB3 (techrights.org)	Jan 23 20:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rockstor 3.8-11 Linux-Based Free NAS Solution	Jan 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines	Has Rock-Ons and UI Improvements	Jan 23 20:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8y9l71w3PI (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 20:35
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msb_	Wow, that NYC travel ban reported in zerohedge is true! Imposed due to super snowstorm.	Jan 23 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Picard brings order to your music library	Jan 23 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KmGVSDsPSd (fedoramagazine.org)	Jan 23 20:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE 14X Gets Rolling for the Weekend	Jan 23 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/n1tv00o5Cu (fossforce.com)	Jan 23 20:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Overview Of The KDE Desktop Environment	Jan 23 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FZKcduz9QI (linux.about.com)	Jan 23 20:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What #redhat logo is all about	Jan 23 20:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@LessGovMoreFun The Right News Brought To You is out!	Jan 23 23:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RnV0lyo4yE (paper.li) Stories via	Jan 23 23:12
TweetTuxMachines	@governmentbuzz @tuxmachines @Momcat2111	Jan 23 23:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Chakra] Plasma 5.5.3, Applications 15.12.1 and	Jan 17 00:08
TweetTuxMachines	Frameworks 5.18.0 by KDE now available	Jan 17 00:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Xf9ADPF1Yo (chakraos.org)	Jan 17 00:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint: from Rafaela to Rosa	Jan 17 00:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/JEk1K5EvH3	Jan 17 00:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/ppyoeFgs6S	Jan 17 00:08
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/688515019387088896	Jan 17 00:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz @nayafia Demand for @bunniestudios' Novena will only grow - free hardware #FTW		Jan 17 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/1G97GNdwp2	Jan 17 00:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers (GNU/Linux)	Jan 17 00:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YVyJRApC34 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 00:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bedrock Linux 1.0beta2 Nyla Major Features	Jan 17 00:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KTK2UBjPJp (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 00:23
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6967013	Jan 17 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Very cheesy: Year of the Linux Desktop http://webmshare.com/play/YXbAw		Jan 17 00:31
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schestowitz	"nice"	Jan 17 00:31
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6967152	Jan 17 09:16
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schestowitz	"	Jan 17 09:16
schestowitz	It’s nothing really to do with Chromium Browser. Either OSX or Nvidia was not deleting GPU memory and users were able to query it to retrieve frames.	Jan 17 09:16
schestowitz	It just goes to show that you need free software from the metal up. Some devices are unsafe, even if you can just treat them like a circuit. Given Nvidia’s long standing malice, the slop is probably intentional.	Jan 17 09:16
schestowitz	I wonder if javascript could grab video frames, so that web sites could do this. WebGL?	Jan 17 09:16
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 09:16
cubexyz	there's an xyz domain	Jan 17 09:24
schestowitz	yes, I think it's used specially in china	Jan 17 09:25
schestowitz	I once read about the original purpose of this suffix	Jan 17 09:25
cubexyz	yeah we don't really have 100% FOSS by any means	Jan 17 09:29
cubexyz	I see blackbox code everywhere	Jan 17 09:29
cubexyz	and beyond just code, there's lots of planned obsolescence in hardware	Jan 17 09:32
cubexyz	utterly 100% planned	Jan 17 09:32
cubexyz	plastic welding seems to be the new thing	Jan 17 09:33
cubexyz	plastic welding in what you may ask... well external hard drives for one	Jan 17 09:33
cubexyz	not to mention opening something that breaks a seal that automatically voids the warranty	Jan 17 09:34
cubexyz	e.g. any DVR made for Rogers/Bell/Name your Media Empire Here	Jan 17 09:34
cubexyz	soldered in batteries...	Jan 17 09:37
cubexyz	"As open source software can always be updated by somebody and maintained by others the user is not at the mercy of a proprietary vendor."	Jan 17 09:40
cubexyz	FOSS == anti obsolescence	Jan 17 09:40
schestowitz	> http://yle.fi/uutiset/paper_5000_higher_learning_jobs_cut_by_government/8601282	Jan 17 09:44
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yle.fi \| Paper: 5,000 higher learning jobs cut by government \| Yle Uutiset \| yle.fi [ http://ur1.ca/of8ra ]		Jan 17 09:44
schestowitz	> While everyone is fighting over the budgets and staffing, the softers	Jan 17 09:44
schestowitz	> have taken over the curricula and decided on even the teaching methods.	Jan 17 09:44
schestowitz	Are they teaching MS at schools, to what degree if so..?	Jan 17 09:44
cubexyz	that's a question I keep thinking about a lot	Jan 17 09:45
schestowitz	> older:	Jan 17 09:45
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 09:45
schestowitz	> https://news.artnet.com/art-world/facebook-censorship-little-mermaid-denmark-copenhagen-401984	Jan 17 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.artnet.com \| Facebook Censored Copenhagen's Mermaid - artnet News [ http://ur1.ca/of8re ]		Jan 17 09:46
cubexyz	I knew about this one english professor that demanded that essays be written using a specific version of microsoft word	Jan 17 09:46
cubexyz	it wasn't enough to use microsoft word... it had to be this one specific version	Jan 17 09:46
cubexyz	based on that little experience I'm kind of worried about the microsoft influence in schools	Jan 17 09:47
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/value-of-longevity-cooper.pdf	Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines We Support Linux! (Maybe)	Jan 17 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/stJYg9BPF5	Jan 17 09:49
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oiaohm	schestowitz: GPU for a long time had zero real memory management. Only cards GPU cards that support VT-d in fact support protected memory preventing recovery from video card ram.	Jan 17 09:55
oiaohm	schestowitz: worst part about GPU memory is a GPU reset is does not mean clear ram. So data can be in GPU ram even after a hot reboot.	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	> "Erickson, Jonathan (2001-07-22). "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	> Strikes And You're Out". "	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	> http://www.ddj.com/184404225	Jan 17 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.drdobbs.com \| Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three Strikes And You're Out \| Dr Dobb's		Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	> https://web.archive.org/web/20070218115715/http://www.ddj.com/184404225	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org \| Dr. Dobb's \| Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three Strikes And You're Out \| July 22, 2001 [ http://ur1.ca/of8sd ]		Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	> probably better archive it locally if it is needed	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	Given copyrights, I don't think I can just make a mirror of it until or unless they remove the original.	Jan 17 09:56
oiaohm	Archive.org is under the rules of the library of alexandar what is greek rules. Good fun as long as they don't run out of disc space they can mirror anything that was placed on a publically accessable location.	Jan 17 10:04
oiaohm	schestowitz: yes web.archive.org exploits that rule.	Jan 17 10:05
cubexyz	copyright was stretched beyond (almost) all limits	Jan 17 10:08
cubexyz	archive.org might even have entire isssues of Dr Dobbs magazines	Jan 17 10:09
oiaohm	cubexyz: libraries have different rules to general people even intentationally.	Jan 17 10:09
oiaohm	That is why archive.org is special.	Jan 17 10:09
cubexyz	well I remember libraries having photo copiers	Jan 17 10:10
cubexyz	not sure if they still do, it's been a while since I've used one	Jan 17 10:11
cubexyz	don't really see any way anyone can stop the sharing of magazines	Jan 17 10:13
cubexyz	http://6502.org/documents/publications/dr_dobbs_journal/	Jan 17 10:15
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cubexyz	people have been complaining about Microsoft for some time now	Jan 17 10:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kabylake HDMI/DP Codec Support Comes With Sound	Jan 17 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	Pull For #Linux 4.5 https://t.co/nIAh0o0qVe	Jan 17 10:20
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cubexyz	Microsoft back-petaled on the Kerberos networking protocol with "Microsoft Open Specification Promise""	Jan 17 10:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox to convert old YouTube Flash code to	Jan 17 10:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “I worked on akregator2 (a akregator based on	Jan 17 10:24
TweetTuxMachines	akonadi) but it was never released and there is	Jan 17 10:24
TweetTuxMachines	no future for it.” https://t.co/ai5yTqtQwQ	Jan 17 10:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines First January Fedora meetup in Pune	Jan 17 10:24
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cubexyz	anyways, the Big Bad Wolf has lost a lot of its teeth	Jan 17 10:27
cubexyz	once you toss windows off your system, M$'s influence is minor	Jan 17 10:27
cubexyz	at least as far as your own computer is concerned	Jan 17 10:28
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cubexyz	a lot of the tech media sites are wimpy microsoft butt kissers	Jan 17 10:38
cubexyz	they can't flog windows 10 hard enough, even when they are criticizing it	Jan 17 10:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bob_moss/status/688669414221307904	Jan 17 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bob_moss: A wee bit of an understatement. Aside from desktops/laptops Linux dominates computing & basically runs the world https://t.co/tso4Nu44wA		Jan 17 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Linux has been around as an open-source, free operating system for quite some time." https://t.co/UKbNwPwBq7		Jan 17 10:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bob_moss/status/688669414221307904	Jan 17 10:45
oiaohm	cubexyz: I think it insane that its taken until the start of this year for Nvidia and AMD to agree to install drivers on non OS X and Windows platforms in ways that don't stomp on each other.	Jan 17 10:46
cubexyz	Ford switching to Linux, huh what do you know	Jan 17 10:47
cubexyz	oiaohm, on openbsd I am using the VESA driver :)	Jan 17 10:47
oiaohm	cubexyz: the issue with two different GPU sharing 1 output has been many times worse due to closed source libraries over writtening key parts.	Jan 17 10:49
cubexyz	hmmm, I wonder if the VESA driver uses the GPU	Jan 17 10:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://www.automotivelinux.org/news/announcement/2016/01/ford-mazda-mitsubishi-motors-and-subaru-join-linux-foundation-and Refering to this??	Jan 17 10:50
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oiaohm	cubexyz: VESA driver is depending on software emulation to be present.	Jan 17 10:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: lot of newer apple laptops don't have VESA for thier GPUs.	Jan 17 10:51
cubexyz	ok, we might have talked about this before... but how far back do we need to go to not need software emulation?	Jan 17 10:51
cubexyz	AGL, yes I thought that was great news	Jan 17 10:52
cubexyz	that's a big deal... Ford switching away from Microsoft to Linux	Jan 17 10:52
oiaohm	VESA has always been firmware emulation.	Jan 17 10:52
oiaohm	VESA mode was never truly implemented in hardware.	Jan 17 10:52
oiaohm	VGA was the last mode in hardware cubexyz	Jan 17 10:53
oiaohm	That was exposed directly by BIOS	Jan 17 10:53
cubexyz	wasn't there something called VESA BIOS Extensions?	Jan 17 10:53
cubexyz	it's not just real mode any more	Jan 17 10:54
cubexyz	since 1998 there was VBE 3.0	Jan 17 10:54
cubexyz	VBE accelerator functions...	Jan 17 10:55
oiaohm	All VBE stuff was not 1 to 1 mapping to hardware.	Jan 17 10:55
cubexyz	try "sudo hwinfo --framebuffer"	Jan 17 10:56
oiaohm	Instead it all firmware stuff running in x86 passing the right instruction to gpu.	Jan 17 10:56
cubexyz	that should tell you all the modes	Jan 17 10:56
oiaohm	seeing the modes does not tell you how the are implemented.	Jan 17 10:56
cubexyz	also the reported memory size is definitely wrong	Jan 17 10:57
oiaohm	So you are clearly seeing that it fake.	Jan 17 10:58
cubexyz	unless that's a different thing... just the VESA framebuffer size	Jan 17 10:58
cubexyz	oiaohm, well I just don't know enough about it to be honest	Jan 17 10:58
oiaohm	I remember under s3 cards reporting we have accelerated mouse functions by VESA then instead of drawing mouse pointer drawing white rectangle.	Jan 17 10:58
cubexyz	this card is a 256 meg ATI Radeon 9600 Pro	Jan 17 10:58
oiaohm	Of course not all cards it depended what firmware the s3 card had.	Jan 17 10:59
oiaohm	So some could draw mouse pointer correctly and some could not.	Jan 17 10:59
oiaohm	It was s3 cards when i came aware how bogus implemented VBE was.	Jan 17 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Linux has been around as an open-source, free	Jan 17 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	operating system for quite some time."	Jan 17 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mYgXGJtqiP (fleetowner.com)	Jan 17 11:01
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oiaohm	cubexyz: that was 1992 or before that I had that with s3 before I had touched Linux.	Jan 17 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 17/1/2016: 4MLinux 16.0 Beta, Black Lab	Jan 17 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 8 Alpha https://t.co/tI8hlgzeSJ	Jan 17 11:01
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cubexyz	oiaohm, I know the MSDOS programs I wrote in 1987 still work on FreeDOS	Jan 17 11:03
cubexyz	at least on this 2001 computer	Jan 17 11:03
cubexyz	although I don't know exactly how it works	Jan 17 11:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Get incentives for using Android Pay	Jan 17 11:04
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cubexyz	it kicks into EGA mode	Jan 17 11:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Hardware https://t.co/LagwZaufu9	Jan 17 11:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/MAdjDTTL3t	Jan 17 11:04
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oiaohm	Most of my 1987 programs are not friendly. I was playing around with self rewriting binaries back then.	Jan 17 11:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/etncubd6Nj	Jan 17 11:04
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cubexyz	so it could just be making video BIOS calls, I'm not really sure	Jan 17 11:04
cubexyz	I was using Microsoft QuickC 2.5 I think	Jan 17 11:05
cubexyz	I'd have to go all the way back to Commodore 64 to talk about writing to video registers	Jan 17 11:05
msb_	I have a $500 air conditioner that's cripplled by a welded-closed plastic box that's designed to accumulate mold that prevents water circulation, and the box can't be cleaned. So it spews condensation water all over the floor unless tedious external fixes are applied. The mfr was totally dismissive when I phoned them.	Jan 17 11:08
oiaohm	msb_: it one of the big problems I have with some air conditioners some I think are just designed to slowly kill people with toxic fumes from mould.	Jan 17 11:11
msb_	But to partially object to one point, a disadvantage of using old computer gear is that hardware speed/power capabilities have advanced very rapidly, maybe 2X per year, due to the amazing power of photolithography and higher resolution techniques applied to it (more transistors per chip).	Jan 17 11:12
oiaohm	msb_: or worse legionnaires disease	Jan 17 11:12
oiaohm	msb_: any air conditioner that cannot be properly cleaned own them is a death wish.	Jan 17 11:13
msb_	So current CPUs, RAMs, hard disks, etc., enable things like creating and playing x265 videos, which save at least half the disk space of x264s. Also convenient editing of videos.	Jan 17 11:15
msb_	These things can't be done with old kit.	Jan 17 11:15
msb_	oiaohm: Not to worry, I have no symptoms of mold toxicity.	Jan 17 11:16
msb_	I just have to collect and drain the condensate water with a system of bowls, pumps, and buckets. However, last summer the hot air hose melted, so I have to substitute a new one, and the diameter is totally non-standard.	Jan 17 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/u7zr0OcAuh	Jan 17 11:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Arch Linux Gets Honours, Red Hat Receives	Jan 17 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	Positive Recommendation https://t.co/2vUYaOwoIR	Jan 17 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Anti-Competitive and Anti-Choice: the ‘New’	Jan 17 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	Microsoft Reveals New Abusive Policies	Jan 17 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YOw35O1dSS (techrights.org)	Jan 17 11:19
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oiaohm	msb_: so one of the mega fun ones. When you mean totally non standard you did have one of the ones designed for a heat shrinking tube.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>> > http://yle.fi/uutiset/paper_5000_higher_learning_jobs_cut_by_government/8601282	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>>>>>> >>>> >>	Jan 17 11:20
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schestowitz	>>>>>>> >>>> >> While everyone is fighting over the budgets and staffing, the softers	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>>>>>> >>>> >> have taken over the curricula and decided on even the teaching methods.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>>>> >>> >	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>>>> >>> > Are they teaching MS at schools, to what degree if so..?	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> I'm mostly out of the loop and have no contacts in the south, so don't	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> quote on this. Via the news and some 2nd and 3rd hand reports, M$ has	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> given money in exchange for teaching or "researching" various products.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> But that's not what I was intending to refer to. I mean that the	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> so-called IT staff has been replaced by defacto M$ resellers. All IT	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> goes through them and no non-M$ activities get support or even allowed.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> As I mentioned some years ago, they went through individual faculty	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> machines and deleted all non-approved software. That's at the	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> University level. I'll find out about two more universities sometime	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> during the year, closer to the autumn, but the prognosis is not good.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> M$ killed Nokia but no one is reacting against it, only digging in deeper.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>> > Ask Torvalds about it. Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>	Jan 17 11:21
schestowitz	> He wouldn't know me from Adam and my question would have nothing to do	Jan 17 11:21
schestowitz	> with the kernel which is his area.	Jan 17 11:21
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 11:21
schestowitz	> But then again, isn't the Linux Foundation now crumbling under M$? The	Jan 17 11:21
schestowitz	> links from the web page go to M$ spam a lot these days.	Jan 17 11:21
schestowitz	yes, in the Linux news summary last week 40% of the links were Microsoft promotion. I wrote about it and pinged LF about it. Maybe shame will get them to behave.	Jan 17 11:21
msb_	I guess if I end up with a source-based Linux distro to avoid systemd, and have to compile everything, a high-speed CPU will be helpful for that too.	Jan 17 11:21
oiaohm	msb_: the ones with heat strink tube connection on the hot air lines those lines fail over and over again.	Jan 17 11:21
cubexyz	they like to follow the other sheep... baaaa :)	Jan 17 11:21
oiaohm	msb_: to be trueful systemd other than when its reloading all the unit file data due to a stupid design in that part systemd cpu load is lower than everything else on the system.	Jan 17 11:22
oiaohm	msb_: some X11 fixes have saved more cpu time than systemd uses.	Jan 17 11:22
oiaohm	msb_: by a factor of 100.	Jan 17 11:22
oiaohm	So there is a lot of crap that needs cleaning up.	Jan 17 11:23
msb_	oiaohm: There are many other reasons than speed for avoiding systemd, but I will not discuss them with you.	Jan 17 11:23
oiaohm	msb_: problem here the speed arguement is mostly invalid.	Jan 17 11:23
oiaohm	msb_: there were just as many existing issues fixed by systemd as issues it created.	Jan 17 11:24
oiaohm	Of course that is not ideal.	Jan 17 11:25
cubexyz	the best advice I can give is this: Don't rely on others to do stuff for you	Jan 17 11:25
cubexyz	do it yourself	Jan 17 11:25
cubexyz	archive what you want to keep	Jan 17 11:25
cubexyz	because I sure don't trust Fedora or Debian or even Slackware to stick around forever	Jan 17 11:26
oiaohm	Randomally glue parts into a system without any proper planing and then patching over them so they worked was the sysvinit model of Linux.	Jan 17 11:26
msb_	The A/C hoses are plastic with helical strengtheners that screw into plastic fixtures on the A/C and window panel. But their diameter is 5", while standards are 4, 6, and 8, IIRC. But I'll deal with it somehow.	Jan 17 11:27
cubexyz	which manufacturer should I be avoiding? :)	Jan 17 11:27
msb_	It's some chinese thing, but it was the most powerful and fastest cooling-down of any in Fry's when I bought it. It's a portable with hot and cold hoses. I'll tell you the mfr next time a get up, if it's visible.	Jan 17 11:29
msb_	a -> I	Jan 17 11:29
oiaohm	msb_: I think you should measure closer I would suspect they are 13cm or 5.11811 inch	Jan 17 11:29
oiaohm	msb_: basically metric pipes.	Jan 17 11:30
cubexyz	did Maytag not make air conditioners? Anyone remember Jesse Owens as the lonely maytag repair man? :)	Jan 17 11:30
msb_	They are 1 inch diameter off from any hoses I can buy.	Jan 17 11:30
oiaohm	msb_: for aircons you can by 13cm pipes here for metric systems.	Jan 17 11:31
oiaohm	msb_: that is why I said check the mesurements.	Jan 17 11:32
cubexyz	ok, maytag did in fact make air conditioners	Jan 17 11:33
msb_	cubexyz: I have probably all the software for the Linux version I'm using, which supports my 2-core cpu, and can compile any that I don't have. When I build my AMD 8-core system, I'll select the best distro I can find, and install and archive it. Probably will last til my own personal EOL.	Jan 17 11:33
cubexyz	no idea how good they were, but I've heard of maytag dishwashers lasting 30 years or more	Jan 17 11:34
cubexyz	msb_, hopefully that will be also 30 years or more :)	Jan 17 11:34
cubexyz	I'm trying to figure how which DVR to buy or build	Jan 17 11:35
oiaohm	msb_: I hope you have checked the TDP on the AMD processors.	Jan 17 11:37
msb_	cubexyz: Thank you! someone pointed out that since I've made it to 70, I have a good chance of getting a few more decades. Good Russian stock!	Jan 17 11:37
msb_	cubexyz: TDP?	Jan 17 11:38
cubexyz	thermal design power I think he means	Jan 17 11:39
oiaohm	msb_: I guess you mean me with TDP "Thermal Design Power" in otherwords how much heat the chip makes.	Jan 17 11:39
msb_	Sorry, yes. The cpu works well thermally with available mobos.	Jan 17 11:39
oiaohm	Some AMD chips spit out 220W of heat in other words over 3 old 100W lightbulbs worth of heat.	Jan 17 11:40
oiaohm	Enough to cook a chicken.	Jan 17 11:40
oiaohm	I am not kidding 3 100W lightbulb with insulation is enough to chook a chicken.	Jan 17 11:41
oiaohm	msb_: some AMD chips are sane 95W TDP	Jan 17 11:41
cubexyz	oiaohm, some of the chromebooks run quite cool	Jan 17 11:41
cubexyz	some of them don't even have fans inside	Jan 17 11:42
oiaohm	cubexyz: some intel chips have very low TDP same with some ARM. Like lightest I7 is 35 TDP.	Jan 17 11:42
cubexyz	no CPU fan, no exhaust fan in the back even	Jan 17 11:43
oiaohm	35W TDP is in the class of a 486 cubexyz	Jan 17 11:43
oiaohm	Early 486	Jan 17 11:43
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msb_	AMD FX-8350 TDP=125 watts	Jan 17 11:44
cubexyz	oiaohm, anything lower than 35W in a modern CPU?	Jan 17 11:45
oiaohm	msb_: that reqired decent cooling. Anything about 80W is PCB board destorying if not suitablely coolled..	Jan 17 11:45
oiaohm	opps anything above 80W	Jan 17 11:46
msb_	Of course. Good big fans.	Jan 17 11:46
oiaohm	msb_: I live in area where room temp can be 40C so 125W TDP is water cooling.	Jan 17 11:46
oiaohm	msb_: anything above 120W you have to check envornment of operation.	Jan 17 11:47
oiaohm	msb_: because air cooling may no longer be enough.	Jan 17 11:47
msb_	Temperate Northern California.	Jan 17 11:48
msb_	And I use A/C.	Jan 17 11:49
oiaohm	Intel® Core™ i7-6600U Processor(4M Cache, up to 3.40 GHz) that is a mobile chip is only 15W TDP there are some arm chips in phones uses lower than this	Jan 17 11:49
msb_	No Intel for me. And the cpu I mentioned is at a price/power sweet spot.	Jan 17 11:51
oiaohm	msb_: what is annoying me is amd is suffering from same problem as past. Reason why AMD chip TDP is so high is the nm of production.	Jan 17 11:52
oiaohm	To keep up on performance AMD is over driving the nm circuit size so generating way too much heat.	Jan 17 11:53
cubexyz	oiaohm, remember voyager though :)	Jan 17 11:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: correct clockspeed for nm equals long life.	Jan 17 11:54
oiaohm	32nm is really not designed 4.0/4.2 GHz that is why FX 8350 is spitting out so much heat.	Jan 17 11:55
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msb_	The cpu has been around for a few years and works fine. If past experience holds, should serve me for 8 years. Maybe I'll buy two of them just in case. Only $175.	Jan 17 11:57
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oiaohm	msb_: Its not the CPU I am exactly worried about. Its the solder holding in the CPU sockets and parts around it.	Jan 17 11:58
msb_	The mobo is practically mil-spec.	Jan 17 11:59
oiaohm	msb_: 80W limit is about not risking solder damage.	Jan 17 11:59
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 11:59
schestowitz	UPDATE:	Jan 17 11:59
oiaohm	msb_: board layer to layer issues.	Jan 17 11:59
schestowitz	The new Croatian government is due to be confirmed on 22 January (next Friday - not Monday as originally stated).	Jan 17 11:59
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 11:59
cubexyz	oiaohm, P3 katmai's were 250 nm	Jan 17 12:00
msb_	oiaohm: In reality (not your strong suit) the cpu and mobo work fine. Please stop your constant faultfinding with me.	Jan 17 12:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: that beast was only 50W TDP.	Jan 17 12:02
cubexyz	I do wonder how much smaller transistors can get	Jan 17 12:02
oiaohm	msb_: this is my strong suit in fact.	Jan 17 12:02
cubexyz	I heard smaller than 7 nm will experience quantum tunnelling	Jan 17 12:02
cubexyz	so I guess 7 nm is the current limit	Jan 17 12:03
oiaohm	msb_: I do rugged systems. So understand TDP effects on hardware is part of it.	Jan 17 12:03
oiaohm	msb_: using aircon does give you some more room. But gerneral calculations I use normally presume aircon is either non existant or broken.	Jan 17 12:04
msb_	oiaohm: I am an electronics, computer, and software engineer. I know physics. Leave me the hell alone.	Jan 17 12:05
oiaohm	msb_: and I have 80 years of mil data on hardware durabality behind me.	Jan 17 12:07
oiaohm	msb_: so this is field I know inside out.	Jan 17 12:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://wccftech.com/tsmc-euv-lithography-5-nm-chips/ 7nm is not the limit with currently researched tech 5nm is.	Jan 17 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wccftech.com \| 5 nm chips from TSMC will be processed using EUV [ http://ur1.ca/of8zc ]		Jan 17 12:09
oiaohm	cubexyz: now getting past 5nm that is a nightmare.	Jan 17 12:09
msb_	oiaohm: Tabulation for oiaohm: 1. systemd is necessary and good for Linux 2. cannabis is dangerous (despite the fact that people titrate to effect) 3. blunt head trauma is the best way for police to control crowds.	Jan 17 12:15
msb_	oiaohm: I do not want your advice. Please do not address any remarks to me.	Jan 17 12:15
oiaohm	msb_: over cannabis you had the active chemicals wrong.	Jan 17 12:17
oiaohm	msb_: so you did not know that it could be dangerous because a cell killing chemical could be way way too high.	Jan 17 12:17
msb_	oiaohm: No, you are a brain-damaged sick fuck who doesn't know, and probably never can know, what psychedelic consciousness is.	Jan 17 12:18
oiaohm	msb_: no you are a idiot.	Jan 17 12:19
oiaohm	msb_: studies have show that anything above 1.1 percent will trigger psychedelic consciousness stuff and that is in studies.	Jan 17 12:20
oiaohm	So 98 percent counter chemical with 1.1 percent active generates basically the same result without the toxicity.	Jan 17 12:20
msb_	oiaohm: STOP USING MY NICK IN YOUR POSTS!	Jan 17 12:21
oiaohm	msb_: normal IRC get over it. I can pull out the studies if you like that show 98 CBD with 1.1 percent TDP still results in person geting the psychedelic effects. Without the major risk of perminate cell damage.	Jan 17 12:23
msb_	Go kill yourself.	Jan 17 12:24
oiaohm	msb_: really you said CDB is to treat cancer. The reality is not. High CDB canabis is used because a way to get TDP cheaply with enough counter agent.	Jan 17 12:25
oiaohm	msb_: basically on cannabis you had nothing wrong and saying cannabis is genericly safe is wrong.	Jan 17 12:26
oiaohm	Or at least that is your point of view.	Jan 17 12:26
oiaohm	msb_: reality on cannabis you had nothing right.	Jan 17 12:27
oiaohm	Personally I think cannabis should be made legal because correct ratio stuff is safer than cigerates and is useful medically.	Jan 17 12:28
oiaohm	Of course make it death sentence to sell anything incorrect ratio.	Jan 17 12:28
oiaohm	msb_: really even the blunt trauma bit you take out of context. Really just get over yourself you would not have half the problem with me if you did understand the facts.	Jan 17 12:31
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6967543	Jan 17 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Erickson, Jonathan. "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three Strikes And You're Out"" http://www.ddj.com/184404225 https://web.archive.org/web/20070218115715/ http://www.ddj.com/184404225 #microsoft		Jan 17 12:36
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oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_XP_microprocessors Really after AMD experience with chips getting close to 80W and having increased motherboard failures should have taught them pushing CPU hard is extremely bad thing.	Jan 17 12:42
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/688715722449661952	Jan 17 13:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Anti-Competitive and Anti-Choice: the ‘New’	Jan 17 13:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Below are articles that we wrote about what we	Jan 17 14:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shakedown Hawaii, the follow up to Retro City	Jan 17 15:34
TweetTuxMachines	Rampage should be on Linux	Jan 17 15:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Shakedown Hawaii, the follow up to Retro City Rampage should be on Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 17 15:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The new Master of Orion 4X strategy game might	Jan 17 15:44
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schestowitz	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CY7iyjpWUAAZmhc.jpg:large	Jan 17 15:52
MinceR	"In 2291, in an attempt to control violence among deep space miners, the New Earth Government legalized no-holds-bared fighting."	Jan 17 15:54
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schestowitz	oh, look, pro-EPO spin:	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/breaking-news-from-epo-suepo-officials.html?showComment=1453035172877#c4862246746362101065	Jan 17 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: Breaking News from the EPO - SUEPO officials fired, downgraded [ http://ur1.ca/of9g0 ]		Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	Boohoo, cry me a river! Two employees have been fired.	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	Do you know how many get fired daily in the real world?	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	And judging from the letters published by Techrights, this was even justified after them harrassing colleagues.	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	Get real people, also staffreps can make mistakes. And they also get to pay the price.	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	No, I`m not a management troll, just being realistic.	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	Just sayin`	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	The letters and rebuttal show the opposite	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	Notice the troll's, "I`m not a management troll, just being realistic."	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	If you're not a troll, you don't need to state that	Jan 17 16:02
MinceR	no, he merely stated that he's a troll, but not from the management	Jan 17 16:02
schestowitz	yeah :-)	Jan 17 16:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3 Is Soon Turning Five Years Old: How Are	Jan 17 17:59
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/688782747867987968	Jan 17 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Transparancy as a money making tool: NYPD charging TV network $36,000 for body cam footage @arstechnica @schestowitz https://t.co/LUSI1k0Y3G		Jan 17 18:03
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/688787653999878144	Jan 17 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @zoobab @schestowitz what we need is focus on true SW freedom. Freedom to tinker. And standards as a good thing.		Jan 17 19:02
schestowitz	social engineering, when the engineers overcome those who abuse their power	Jan 17 19:02
oiaohm	schestowitz: social engineering is double sided sword. engineers can abuse their power as well.	Jan 17 19:26
oiaohm	schestowitz: Social Engineering term comes from all people Adolf Hitler. http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199689590.001.0001/acprof-9780199689590	Jan 17 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oxfordscholarship.com \| Visions of Community in Nazi Germany - Oxford Scholarship [ http://ur1.ca/ofa0a ]		Jan 17 19:29
oiaohm	schestowitz: yes where the term comes from is one of the worst examples on how Social Engineering can be abused.	Jan 17 19:30
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schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/breaking-news-from-epo-suepo-officials.html?showComment=1453045328427#c565632492490759436	Jan 17 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: Breaking News from the EPO - SUEPO officials fired, downgraded [ http://ur1.ca/ofa3f ]		Jan 17 20:00
schestowitz	"Good point! That would most possibly align the EPO policies with the national host countries laws, international law and human rights... and of course avoid conflicting situations as we experience now! "	Jan 17 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Contributing to Open Source Projects and Code	Jan 17 20:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Contributing to Open Source Projects and Code \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 20:30
schestowitz	OT:	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> I've donated a small amount to the SFC today. It's not much but it's	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> what I have available.	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> They're unique in that they are active in supporting and defending Free	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> Software licensing, in particular the GPL.	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/dec/24/private-internet-access-match/	Jan 17 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org \| Conservancy announces funding match by Private Internet Access - Software Freedom Conservancy [ http://ur1.ca/ofa54 ]		Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> They have a matching programme in effect through the end of the month,	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> so current donations count double until then.	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>> > If ever we have financial problems in tuxmachines and techrights (wife	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>> > and I work for the same employer, so it's volatile) I hope that readers	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>> > who benefit from both would be willing to jump to our rescue...	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	> I hope so. Both TM and TR have large reader populations. TM has grown	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	> a lot since your wife and you took it over.	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	Yes, we needed to add varnish, 16 GB of RAM to the back end, and other things to cope with the growing load, which is still increasing (I haven't blogged about it there for a while, lack of time, may look like showfoff)	Jan 17 20:36
schestowitz	Susan told me/expressed to me a certain occasional regret that she had sold the site, but she trusts it in our hands. Rianne works really hard to keep it up to date and make it FASTER (to pick emerging news) than any other news site. Now sure everyone really appreciated it. And she isn't doing it for money, she's like me...	Jan 17 20:36
schestowitz	I didn't even have to 'incite' her against Microsoft to make her hate Microsoft. She learned that on her own. She really hates Apple too, maybe more than I do...	Jan 17 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RockWork Project Provides Amazing Pebble	Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	Support on Ubuntu Touch https://t.co/t15vYzTfad	Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 17 20:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Still Has the Best and Most	Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	Complete App Permissions	Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/JE93ZqsrYu (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 17 20:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch Still Has the Best and Most Complete App Permissions		Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Yes, Mesa Is Working Towards GLVND Support	Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/H72U1SIGoJ (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa8g	Jan 17 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Yes, Mesa Is Working Towards GLVND Support - Phoronix		Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/SDz80iYubk	Jan 17 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 20:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/I6rEK7LFLW	Jan 17 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch App Permissions, RockWork	Jan 17 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Vjeiiyt7Mx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa8k	Jan 17 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch App Permissions, RockWork \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 20:54
*TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu Touch App Permissions, RockWork https://t.co/Vjeiiyt7Mx'		Jan 17 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Features & Changes Merged So Far For The Linux	Jan 17 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	4.5 Kernel https://t.co/Cea89gXhNg	Jan 17 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa8q	Jan 17 20:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Features & Changes Merged So Far For The Linux 4.5 Kernel - Phoronix		Jan 17 20:56
*TweetTuxMachines @ptheoiasptk retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu Touch Still Has the Best and Most...'		Jan 17 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Play Store Now Has a Category for	Jan 17 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	Android Wear https://t.co/fOAtqfXO81	Jan 17 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	(neurogadget.com)	Jan 17 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa9t	Jan 17 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neurogadget.com \| Google Play Store Now Has a Category for Android Wear - Neurogadget.com		Jan 17 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AsteroidOS: Open source smartwatch operating	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	system that can replace Android Wear (on some	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	watches) https://t.co/aetLrTcnT9	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	(liliputing.com)	Jan 17 21:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liliputing.com \| AsteroidOS: Open source smartwatch operating system that can replace Android Wear (on some watches) - Liliputing		Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 12 Years After Launch, The GeForce 6 Can Still	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	Run On Modern Linux Distributions	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Z84lSkxZgJ (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaaw	Jan 17 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| 12 Years After Launch, The GeForce 6 Can Still Run On Modern Linux Distributions - Phoronix		Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines First Krita 3.0 pre-alpha!	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/tgoXdUG3Zk (krita.org)	Jan 17 21:13
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MinceR	"Red Hat are a fine vendor of honeypots, but I'm not quite sure why people	Jan 17 21:37
MinceR	use it as an operating system."	Jan 17 21:37
MinceR	- pndc in irc.scsys.co.uk#chat	Jan 17 21:37
sebsebseb	MinceR: bonjour	Jan 17 21:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 2016 Has Been Off To A Great Start For	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	Open-Source & Linux https://t.co/bk4baUdKfh	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 21:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| 2016 Has Been Off To A Great Start For Open-Source & Linux - Phoronix		Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines High Performance computing and parallel	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	computing amateur linux test lab	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oy57uPCX1R	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	(bsdpunk.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 17 21:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsdpunk.blogspot.co.uk \| BSD Punk: High Performance computing and parallel computing amateur linux test lab		Jan 17 21:48
MinceR	sebsebseb: aloha	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS 2.0 "Brewmaster" 1080p Review - The	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	First Update in 2016: OS For Gamers From Valve	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SdfzfcNUSv (www.youtube.com)	Jan 17 21:48
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sebsebseb	MinceR: I am happy :)	Jan 17 21:51
oiaohm	MinceR: I don't like redhat blind trust when with Debian you do have means to look under the hood of the QA process to see what is happening and what is not happening.	Jan 17 21:59
MinceR	well, i've seen enough of that too	Jan 17 22:00
oiaohm	MinceR: some distrobutions I don't like because it what QA process.	Jan 17 22:01
oiaohm	https://reproducible.debian.net/reproducible.html this is coming along nicely.	Jan 17 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://reproducible.debian.net/reproducible.html )		Jan 17 22:08
MinceR	but for what	Jan 17 22:10
MinceR	it's still lendows	Jan 17 22:10
MinceR	and even if they unfucked that, you could still count on them to pull the platform out from under you when rathat tells their gnomes to whistle	Jan 17 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Superpowers, a HTML5 development environment	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	for 2D & 3D games now open source	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Q8pKFera6x (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofahm	Jan 17 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Superpowers, a HTML5 development environment for 2D & 3D games now open source \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics (Coreboot, Linux	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	4.5, Nvidia, Mesa) https://t.co/75Cb08mJTv	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofahn	Jan 17 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics (Coreboot, Linux 4.5, Nvidia, Mesa) \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/Pov9lGRDb1	Jan 17 22:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 22:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming (OmniBus, SteamOS 2.0,	Jan 17 22:16
TweetTuxMachines	Superpowers) https://t.co/LAM1ocpbnT	Jan 17 22:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 22:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofahp	Jan 17 22:16
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/688841709166407680	Jan 17 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: Fantastic read if you care about security in the buffer: #heartbleed #ssh https://t.co/bwmqIpl3ze		Jan 17 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Things I learned from #OpenSSH about reading very sensitive files https://t.co/8ib323B4IO		Jan 17 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE (KDE PIM, Krita, FreeBSD Builds)	Jan 17 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sLnSe3mhLf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaij	Jan 17 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: KDE (KDE PIM, Krita, FreeBSD Builds) \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/1MU1o33oDA	Jan 17 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaik	Jan 17 22:24
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'RockWork Project Provides Amazing Pebble Support on Ubuntu...'		Jan 17 22:35
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Still Has the Best and Most...'		Jan 17 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Testing DDR3 and DDR4 RAM performance on Linux	Jan 17 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4rWFPg0kaE (www.rkblog.rk.edu.pl)	Jan 17 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofalr	Jan 17 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rkblog.rk.edu.pl \| Testing DDR3 and DDR4 RAM performance on Linux		Jan 17 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Popular Android-based Remix OS Violate GPL	Jan 17 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	and Apache License	Jan 17 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wyafbxms8v (tlhp.ml)	Jan 17 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofals	Jan 17 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tlhp.ml \| The Popular Android-based Remix OS Violate GPL and Apache License – The Linux Homefront Project		Jan 17 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE and Google Summer of Code 2015 Wrapup	Jan 17 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/9MpFhr2iN8 (dot.kde.org)	Jan 17 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofalt	Jan 17 22:49
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MinceR	you don't have anything more to say? :>	Jan 17 23:13
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schestowitz		Jan 17 23:33
schestowitz	MinceR: just tries to get attention to get things started, I think	Jan 17 23:33
schestowitz	seeing who else is active, like a silent ping	Jan 17 23:34
*MinceR pongs so silently you never find out about it		Jan 17 23:34
schestowitz	[12:18] <msb_> oiaohm: No, you are a brain-damaged sick fuck who doesn't know, and probably never can know, what psychedelic consciousness is.	Jan 17 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.5 DRM Pull Has Initial Kabylake	Jan 17 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	Support, Open-Source Vivante 3D	Jan 17 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/cq4f0PYymg (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 23:35
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schestowitz	msb_: you're being extremely rude	Jan 17 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux 4.5 DRM Pull Has Initial Kabylake Support, Open-Source Vivante 3D - Phoronix		Jan 17 23:35
schestowitz	[12:24] <msb_> Go kill yourself.	Jan 17 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remix OS GPL Violations and More Android	Jan 17 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	Leftovers https://t.co/mnqNaHyYjh	Jan 17 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 23:35
schestowitz	msb_: take your pills	Jan 17 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofarc	Jan 17 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Remix OS GPL Violations and More Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Testing DDR3 and DDR4 RAM performance on Linux	Jan 17 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vdkGIbJBTv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofare	Jan 17 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Testing DDR3 and DDR4 RAM performance on Linux \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 23:35
schestowitz	[10:09] <cubexyz> archive.org might even have entire isssues of Dr Dobbs magazines	Jan 17 23:36
schestowitz	yes, but it's not indexed like most sites	Jan 17 23:36
schestowitz	so it's not really competing with them	Jan 17 23:36
schestowitz	and I think they don't mind such subservient archiving, like cloudflare but long-term	Jan 17 23:37
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msb_	schestowitz: I don't have any pills. oiaohm is stalking me here, and keeps repeating that Linux needs systemd, that police hitting people on the head with heavy clubs is the best method of controlling people (would Ian Murdock think so?), and that cannabis causes brain damage, and that anyone who sells cannabis with more than 1% THC should get the death penalty from the govt. Anything I post about, most recently CPUs, oiaohm pops up	Jan 17 23:43
msb_	and disagrees with. I told oiaohm to stop using my nick in his posts, but he says he will keep on doing it, so I lost my temper. Please tell him to stop stalking me.	Jan 17 23:44
oiaohm	msb_: I was in this channel before you.	Jan 17 23:45
msb_	That does not give you the right to stalk and harass me.	Jan 17 23:46
oiaohm	msb_: and it not like I have not provided the links on the cannabis doing brain damage.	Jan 17 23:46
oiaohm	Like it or not that is documented fact include the chemical responsable.	Jan 17 23:46
schestowitz	why is cannabis even discussed in a technical channel?	Jan 17 23:48
schestowitz	systemd -- fine!	Jan 17 23:48
oiaohm	The fact that is a techical channel as well says if you bring up something like cannabis you really should know what chemical in it does what. THC is used to kill cancer cells because its a cell killer. CDB is used with it to protect heathly cells from being harmed. Cancer studies showed where the safe cannabis is.	Jan 17 23:54
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schestowitz	hey sebsebseb	Jan 18 00:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.5 DRM Pull Has Initial Kabylake	Jan 18 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	Support, Open-Source Vivante 3D	Jan 18 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/gJZIWMZtHL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofawx	Jan 18 00:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.5 DRM Pull Has Initial Kabylake Support, Open-Source Vivante 3D \| Tux Machines		Jan 18 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/yONAQ01p5j	Jan 18 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofawy	Jan 18 00:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 18 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "the Chakra Project kindly informs all users of	Jan 18 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	the Chakra GNU/Linux operating system about the	Jan 18 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	latest KDE" https://t.co/BrC0q8T3FY	Jan 18 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 18 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofawz	Jan 18 00:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Chakra GNU/Linux Gets KDE Plasma 5.5.3, KDE Apps 15.12.1 and KDE Frameworks 5.18.0		Jan 18 00:12
MinceR	"hack into your brain like a chemical black hat / Game Genie but for life, fucking haters call it hazmat!"	Jan 18 00:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Linux to Offer Faster Package Downloads,	Jan 18 00:20
TweetTuxMachines	User Guide Updated https://t.co/4SjQOwGUGy	Jan 18 00:20
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) https://t.co/3c60jpwTYi	Jan 18 00:20
TweetTuxMachines	(solus-project.com)	Jan 18 00:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofay9	Jan 18 00:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Linux to Offer Faster Package Downloads, User Guide Updated		Jan 18 00:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-solus-project.com \| This Week in Solus – Install #18 \| Solus Project		Jan 18 00:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Back to basics with Kwort 4.3	Jan 18 00:20
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bNLhk5XO6S (distrowatch.com)	Jan 18 00:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofayb	Jan 18 00:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.		Jan 18 00:20
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus Linux to Offer Faster Package Downloads, User...'		Jan 18 00:20
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '"the Chakra Project kindly informs all users of...'		Jan 18 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SMPlayer 16.1.0 Free Video Player Adds Better	Jan 18 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	Support for VEVO Videos on YouTube	Jan 18 00:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BeataSamson: @schestowitz Isn't it an understatement? Trump's strategy works. That's all.		Jan 18 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BeataSamson: @schestowitz If were you I would go through the previous tweets by @rupertmurdoch		Jan 18 00:37
schestowitz	His network all along promoted Rump. Did he ever say anything to refute this?	Jan 18 00:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BeataSamson: @schestowitz He mentioned no foreign policy experience as far as I remember @rupertmurdoch		Jan 18 00:45
schestowitz	This and many other things, but alas, Fox 'news' supports Rump and ignores many other GOP candidates	Jan 18 00:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/688885106015076352	Jan 18 00:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@BeataSamson @rupertmurdoch This and many other things, but alas, Fox 'news' supports Rump and ignores many other GOP candidates		Jan 18 00:46
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schestowitz	not altogether ignored but de-emphasised	Jan 18 00:52
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cubexyz	wasn't too pleased to see this on fossforce:	Jan 18 06:59
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/dun-dun-dun-fossforce-microsoft-ad.png	Jan 18 06:59
msb_	Fossforce is either ignorant or bought. Not long ago it had an article by one of their staff writers about how he was switching from Linux to BSD because Linus Torvalds was too harsh in his criticism of kernal programmers. IOW he was backing one of the big attacks on Linux: 1. systemd 2. UEFI 3. KDE5/Plasma 4. SJW attack on Linus.	Jan 18 07:40
cubexyz	Torvalds can be pretty harsh	Jan 18 07:40
msb_	But he's improved a lot lately in response to the criticisms.	Jan 18 07:41
cubexyz	they could have locked out microsoft domains from adsense	Jan 18 07:42
cubexyz	I suggested that, but they didn't agree	Jan 18 07:42
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cubexyz	I may drop adsense completely	Jan 18 07:43
cubexyz	I find it usually takes people around 10 years to really change their thinking	Jan 18 07:44
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cubexyz	many times I've made suggestions that were initially ignored, but people do mull it over	Jan 18 07:44
cubexyz	it took me 9 years from my initial use of linux in 1994 to make Linux my main OS	Jan 18 07:45
cubexyz	people didn't really choose windows either	Jan 18 07:47
cubexyz	it was just there	Jan 18 07:47
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msb_	There is one phenomenon that causes all the problems of humanity -- a social/psychological illness cause by stress in childhood. It is so ubiquitous that people aren't aware of it, like fish being unaware of water. Wilhelm Reich characterized it and called it The Emotional Plague. For this he was imprisoned by the US govt and murdered.	Jan 18 07:51
msb_	The Plague is the cause of microsoft, apple, mass murders (wars), enormous income inequality, widespread starvation, etc.	Jan 18 07:52
msb_	Try getting people to understand _that_!	Jan 18 07:53
msb_	cause->caused	Jan 18 07:53
cubexyz	I think people are aware of income inequality	Jan 18 07:54
msb_	Yes, but they are not aware of this ubiquitous illness that causes people to be unkind to each other.	Jan 18 07:55
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msb_	It propagates to each new generation because of emotional maltreatment of children by Plague-programmed parents, and also Plague-inspired cultural elements like JCI religion/the "bible" and predatory capitalism.	Jan 18 07:58
cubexyz	do you think people are more selfish than say 50 years ago?	Jan 18 08:00
cubexyz	does society value honesty and being truthful?	Jan 18 08:00
cubexyz	just imagine being kind and nice and still being kicked in the arse	Jan 18 08:01
cubexyz	Kali Yuga :)	Jan 18 08:04
msb_	People can throw off the Plague by becoming aware of it and how it affects their thinking and behavior. Occasionally there are widespread recoveries, like the Renaissance and the 1960s Woodstock Nation with its music, underground newspapers, wholesale food buying clubs, etc.	Jan 18 08:08
msb_	Cannabis was an enormous influence in the creation of the 1960s renaissance. Easy to use safely, it enables the associative/lyrical mind to be active during waking hours. Analogous to lucid dreaming, in which the sequential mind is active during dreams (normally created by the associative mind alone).	Jan 18 08:11
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msb_	" just imagine being kind and nice" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwUGSYDKUxU	Jan 18 08:18
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msb_	https://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml	Jan 18 08:35
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msb_	Microcomputer pioneers like Steve Wozniak are well-known for their use of psychedelics.	Jan 18 08:35
msb_	The human mind and the influences on it are very relevant to technology.	Jan 18 08:36
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cubexyz	I don't like this silent configure	Jan 18 09:07
msb_	Whazzat?	Jan 18 09:08
msb_	The hidden control program that dominates our entire society?	Jan 18 09:09
cubexyz	configure usually prints out messages immediately	Jan 18 09:10
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cubexyz	but this particular one does tons of calculations first, then barfs out all the messages at the end	Jan 18 09:10
cubexyz	building new ffmpeg for an old Linux	Jan 18 09:10
cubexyz	openbsd ffmpeg doesn't seem to be able to handle rtmp streams	Jan 18 09:12
msb_	A complex program, probably depends on some recent stuff.	Jan 18 09:13
cubexyz	yes the linux lab here has seen some interesting compiles	Jan 18 09:14
cubexyz	I've got one program here... quite a monster, only will compile on one version of gcc	Jan 18 09:15
cubexyz	no one really knows it well now	Jan 18 09:16
cubexyz	the original developers are gone, and refuse to look at the code and will barely acknowledge it even exists	Jan 18 09:17
cubexyz	no, there's no MCP as such :)	Jan 18 09:18
cubexyz	ffmpeg is getting rather big	Jan 18 09:20
msb_	what is that abandoned program?	Jan 18 09:28
cubexyz	a game by cyberlore, quasi-adandoned you could say	Jan 18 09:28
cubexyz	the linux port is somewhat abandoned	Jan 18 09:31
cubexyz	there's a new windows version called Majesty HD	Jan 18 09:31
msb_	Well, you have the source code. What do you want, egg in your beer? (As some old codger used to say when I was a kid.)	Jan 18 09:31
cubexyz	ok, not sure what that expression means	Jan 18 09:32
msb_	It means you have enough that you should be happy.	Jan 18 09:32
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cubexyz	right, but you have to understand that when we got the code we got the game code only	Jan 18 09:33
cubexyz	we didn't get any of the bytecode generators	Jan 18 09:33
cubexyz	so the game was ported to linux ok, but we have to reverse engineer the bytecode tools	Jan 18 09:34
cubexyz	so it's the old story, linux people are playing Majesty HD for windows on wine, and there's no development on a real linux version	Jan 18 09:36
msb_	Well, that gives you a hobby. 8^)	Jan 18 09:38
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msb_	cubexyz: Life is very complicated and there are many things to do. So I take the easy way out. If the game is worth playing, play it in WINE; that's nothing to be ashamed of.	Jan 18 09:46
msb_	What's preventing the further adoption of Linux is systemd, not an absence of native games. I think getting rid of systemd is the most important thing to work on,	Jan 18 09:47
cubexyz	there's no new missions	Jan 18 09:47
cubexyz	I bet the new windows developers don't have the bytecode generators either	Jan 18 09:48
msb_	I just told you the most important mission!	Jan 18 09:48
cubexyz	ummm	Jan 18 09:48
cubexyz	ok, slackware 14.2 beta 1 does NOT have systemd	Jan 18 09:50
cubexyz	I'd suggest keep checking http://without-systemd.org	Jan 18 09:51
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cubexyz	so slackware and slackware derivatives like vector linux	Jan 18 09:52
cubexyz	my last blog post actually talked about this	Jan 18 09:52
msb_	Wiki says slack has no repositories. Where do users get the packages from?	Jan 18 09:53
cubexyz	of course slack has repos :)	Jan 18 09:54
cubexyz	I use them a lot	Jan 18 09:54
cubexyz	where does it say slack has no repos?	Jan 18 09:54
msb_	"The project does not maintain a public code repository. "	Jan 18 09:55
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware	Jan 18 09:55
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cubexyz	ok, strictly speaking I am using vector repos	Jan 18 09:56
cubexyz	I'm not using baseline slackware	Jan 18 09:56
cubexyz	http://mirrors.slackware.com/slackware/slackware-12.1/	Jan 18 09:59
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msb_	You're two whole versions behind?	Jan 18 10:00
cubexyz	I have a machine that has tons of development work on it	Jan 18 10:00
cubexyz	other machines get newer distros	Jan 18 10:00
msb_	Well, however slack works, I'm sure I could use it, but I doubt that the average windows bumpkin could.	Jan 18 10:01
msb_	Also, it has exactly one developer, so if he has a microwave-induced heart attack, it's gone.	Jan 18 10:02
cubexyz	there has to be more than one	Jan 18 10:03
cubexyz	I haven't really talked to them but I know there's probably about 10 besides Volkering	Jan 18 10:04
cubexyz	plus the people who work on vector	Jan 18 10:04
msb_	Yes, wiki mentions a couple of others.	Jan 18 10:04
cubexyz	a lot of the time the distro maintainers are merely making sure that all the packages work as expected	Jan 18 10:05
msb_	There are 300 people in ##slackware. That's encouraging.	Jan 18 10:07
cubexyz	slackware is the oldest active distro	Jan 18 10:07
cubexyz	probably has a lot of oldtimers (old being relative)	Jan 18 10:07
cubexyz	slack 14.2 isn't going to have systemd	Jan 18 10:08
msb_	I'll have to submit evidence of beardlength.	Jan 18 10:08
cubexyz	so when 14.2 comes out in its final form, I'll probably upgrade	Jan 18 10:08
msb_	Has Volkerding promised to avoid systemd?	Jan 18 10:09
cubexyz	no he hasn't promised	Jan 18 10:09
msb_	explicitly?	Jan 18 10:09
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msb_	Are the packages binary or do they all have to be compiled?	Jan 18 10:10
cubexyz	in vector the packages are binary, pretty sure it's the same in slackware proper	Jan 18 10:12
cubexyz	I don't see any simple way to avoid windows completely for non technical people besides chromebooks/boxes	Jan 18 10:14
cubexyz	of course there's Mac OS X	Jan 18 10:14
msb_	Why can't ex-windows people use a good Linux?	Jan 18 10:15
cubexyz	well they can.... I just don't think they will	Jan 18 10:15
cubexyz	I've dealt with a lot of customers who are mentally entrenched on windows	Jan 18 10:16
msb_	Anyhow, Volkerding has not sworn off systemd. I just asked in irc.	Jan 18 10:16
oiaohm	I can answer why ex-windows people cannot just use Linux.	Jan 18 10:19
oiaohm	1 Vendor lockin.	Jan 18 10:20
cubexyz	can not is wrong, it's will not	Jan 18 10:20
cubexyz	of course they can	Jan 18 10:20
cubexyz	and it's stupid to flock to Mac OS X, in my opinion	Jan 18 10:20
oiaohm	Mac OS X has photoshop and more complete MS Office.	Jan 18 10:21
oiaohm	Vendor Lockin done by government departments are other places become a major problem.	Jan 18 10:21
cubexyz	I'm talking about your own personal computer	Jan 18 10:22
cubexyz	that's why I write foss-matrix.txt, so people would know what to avoid	Jan 18 10:22
oiaohm	cubexyz: submitting ones own tax return in particular countries require Windows software.	Jan 18 10:22
oiaohm	That includes where I live.	Jan 18 10:22
cubexyz	oiaohm, middleware should solve that problem	Jan 18 10:22
cubexyz	I do my taxes on firefox online no problem	Jan 18 10:23
cubexyz	as long as you can use the browser I see no problem	Jan 18 10:23
oiaohm	cubexyz: Australia tax office does not have a online option yet to use browser.	Jan 18 10:23
oiaohm	And it not the only country like this.	Jan 18 10:24
oiaohm	Insanity is OS X and Linux users in Australia get to write off a copy of MS Windows todo their tax return with.	Jan 18 10:24
oiaohm	Now that is only 1 field. To use particular Ebook publishers/print shops they demard the usage of closed source windows/os x only software.	Jan 18 10:25
cubexyz	http://www.etax.com.au	Jan 18 10:25
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cubexyz	maybe that's a service though	Jan 18 10:26
cubexyz	In Canada I've been filing tax returns for a while	Jan 18 10:27
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is a third party provided service not the governement. So your tax return done that way is not linked to your my gov login.	Jan 18 10:27
cubexyz	since 2009 at least	Jan 18 10:27
oiaohm	cubexyz: being linked to your my gov login is required to avoid pention payments and other things screwing up.	Jan 18 10:28
oiaohm	cubexyz: lets just say the Australian system has many people over a barrel and it suxs.	Jan 18 10:28
oiaohm	So the vendor lockings are serous problems.	Jan 18 10:29
cubexyz	I am seeing a lot of complaints	Jan 18 10:29
cubexyz	oiaohm, you should complain to your government	Jan 18 10:34
cubexyz	it's 2016 after all	Jan 18 10:34
cubexyz	it's cited here that ATO spent AU $45 million on etax so it would work on windows, mac, linux, mobile and web platforms	Jan 18 10:36
oiaohm	cubexyz: as I said currently. I know they are working on it and I have been complaining for the past 20 years.	Jan 18 10:39
oiaohm	Problem one for people failing to migratate is still these stupid vendor lockin things.	Jan 18 10:40
oiaohm	2 Linux inconsistyancy. Simple things like the default font that all applications should use to show text not defined to be in a single location.	Jan 18 10:42
oiaohm	This inconsistency comes as a cultural shock to Windows users.	Jan 18 10:43
oiaohm	3 Windows users expecting almost complete GUI configuration and Linux being still for configuring drivers and other thing still very command line/console.	Jan 18 10:44
oiaohm	cubexyz: so a very big case of culture shock when they migrate.	Jan 18 10:44
cubexyz	I seem to remember the human race working before windows existed	Jan 18 10:45
cubexyz	you're making it sound like people are so brain washed that they can't function without windows	Jan 18 10:46
oiaohm	One of the reason why I see the possibility Android getting more market share on desktop than general Linux is that the last 2 issues are addressed in Android yet not address in something like debian/ubuntu	Jan 18 10:46
cubexyz	it's all just programming	Jan 18 10:46
cubexyz	now no datasheets for chips, that's a problem	Jan 18 10:47
cubexyz	secret protocols, that sort of thing does worry me	Jan 18 10:47
oiaohm	cubexyz: of course number 4 is hardware compatibility.	Jan 18 10:47
cubexyz	but assuming you have the datasheets for the chips, it's all just programming	Jan 18 10:47
oiaohm	Like it stupid that closed source Nvidia/AMD drivers on Linux expose less opengl function than Windows or OS X drivers for the same card.	Jan 18 10:48
cubexyz	hardware compatibility seems to be to be a highly artificial thing	Jan 18 10:48
oiaohm	Those 4 cover fairly much all the reason why a Windows user to Linux user migration goes south.	Jan 18 10:49
cubexyz	everything operates on international standards... everything	Jan 18 10:49
cubexyz	Microsoft tries to muck that up	Jan 18 10:49
oiaohm	Also there has been the stupidity under Linux install Nvidia or AMD/ATI closed source drivers and have them replace the libopengl where under windows they would proxy under Microsoft common opengl and direct x libraries.	Jan 18 10:50
cubexyz	I think radeon is all open source	Jan 18 10:51
oiaohm	cubexyz: depends on the card.	Jan 18 10:51
oiaohm	Some radeon cards still don't work with the open source drivers.	Jan 18 10:51
oiaohm	Yes multi GPU not working under X11 was not the X11 server alone but mostly how closed source drivers installed under Linux.	Jan 18 10:52
oiaohm	So in the hardware side Linux does have some horrible issues that need addressing.	Jan 18 10:52
cubexyz	oiaohm, you can't say windows is this perfect thing with no problems because I see people with windows problems every day	Jan 18 10:53
cubexyz	major computer stopping issues, not just small stuff	Jan 18 10:54
oiaohm	Of course if you go out and buy hardware to match Linux instead of attempt to recycling pre existing random-ally compatible improves stuff a lot.	Jan 18 10:54
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-botch-up.txt	Jan 18 10:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: I have not said Windows is without it problems.	Jan 18 10:54
cubexyz	I'd say it's worse than linux	Jan 18 10:55
cubexyz	I don't even want to touch windows	Jan 18 10:55
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cubexyz	ok, back in a few mins	Jan 18 10:55
cubexyz	got to put out the recycling...	Jan 18 10:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: level of Windows problems is making Android, ChromeOS and OS X very tempting to users. Of course I wish I could say general Linux Desktop was at the same level of user tempation.	Jan 18 11:07
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cubexyz	wow the ffmpeg compile actually worked (after a few adjustments)	Jan 18 11:14
oiaohm	cubexyz: really Microsoft for home users who are using windows 7 and 8.1 pushing out updates that remove settings that prevent the update to 10 nag screens.	Jan 18 11:15
oiaohm	I somehow thing Microsoft is over estemating how much their users will tollerate.	Jan 18 11:16
oiaohm	thing/think	Jan 18 11:16
msb_	Linux computers have been put into public libraries, and people come in and use them and don't even know they're not using windows. Probably most of them don't even know what an OS is.	Jan 18 11:24
msb_	Give them a good gui like kde3.5.10 and they just use what they see and compensate for any differences from what they're used to.	Jan 18 11:25
oiaohm	msb_: difference here public space setups like that people are not attempting to be administrator themselves. Yes a lot of cost savings can be done in business due to that fact.	Jan 18 11:28
msb_	Yes, installation is harder, but local Linux User Groups will usually to that for free if you bring the computer to a meeting. Then teach them how to use irc and where their distro channel is, and they should be ok.	Jan 18 11:30
msb_	to->do	Jan 18 11:31
oiaohm	msb_: that is the problem in places Like Australia that is spread out small towns and cities. Lots and lots of places don't have local Linux User Groups.	Jan 18 11:31
oiaohm	So interface does need to improve as it is being a barrier.	Jan 18 11:32
msb_	Then get on the phone and talk them thru it.	Jan 18 11:33
oiaohm	To be truthful a lot of places you are luck to have a decent phone line let alone internet still in Australia.	Jan 18 11:34
oiaohm	msb_: talking someone through a computer problem one a phone that sounds like you are in a major echo chamber is no fun.	Jan 18 11:36
oiaohm	So OS that is relieable and straight forward to configure with all major need documentation and walk throughs included would have a serous place in the world still.	Jan 18 11:37
oiaohm	I know some rural places that switched to Libreoffice from MS Office simply due to current libreoffice having proper offline help and current MS Office wanting todo everything on-line what is no help when internet connection is unstable.	Jan 18 11:39
oiaohm	For some reason ADSL does not like phone lines running above ground exposed regular near by lightning storms.	Jan 18 11:40
oiaohm	msb_: this is a sad but true fact. If your phone line is damaged under ground in australia you might end up with an above ground bipass for 3 years before a crew gets to you to dig the cable back into the ground properly.	Jan 18 11:41
oiaohm	So forget the idea of dependable phone line/internet.	Jan 18 11:41
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msb_	oiaohm: Everything I say, you come up with some reason why it won't work I say help someone install Linux over the phone, you say Oz doesn't have functional phones. What I said works for almost everybody. OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 11:51
oiaohm	I just gave you the real conditions I have to deal with. Even in a capital city here it taken 3 years to get a phone line to a house properly fixed.	Jan 18 11:54
oiaohm	msb_: this is not stalking you. This is more pointing out that the real world conditions are not very clean at all.	Jan 18 11:55
oiaohm	Due to what real world conditions are there is a serous need for operating systems that are simpler to setup and maintain.	Jan 18 11:57
oiaohm	Why is Australia phone system such a mess. Someone drank the cool aid that making phone services run by private companies would some how improve effenency. Result is a system that has very poor maintainance responses.	Jan 18 11:59
oiaohm	msb_: the problem here you are suggesting bandade solutions then claim hey that will work for everyone. Failing to understand what you suggesting use to work in Australia and due to 1 change the privatisation of phone systems without suitable regulation of quality does not work.	Jan 18 12:07
msb_	oiaohm: What I said works for almost everybody. OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:08
oiaohm	If you class working is 1/6 of the global population.	Jan 18 12:09
oiaohm	Sorry almost everyone is not in fact true msb_	Jan 18 12:09
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:10
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oiaohm	msb_: this is not stalking you. This is a techincal channel and you keep on saying stuff that does not in fact match up to reality.	Jan 18 12:10
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:10
oiaohm	That 1/6 number is reality for the idea of phone support.	Jan 18 12:11
oiaohm	msb_: and if anyone else had said the same bogus I would have pulled them up as well. I am not treating you different to anyone else.	Jan 18 12:13
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:13
oiaohm	msb_: stop accusing me of something I am absolutley not doing.	Jan 18 12:14
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:14
oiaohm	Have you not noticed I have pulled schestowitz, cubexyz and others up for also bogus stuff.	Jan 18 12:15
oiaohm	You happen to be here you happen to say a wrong fact I pull you up end of story.	Jan 18 12:16
oiaohm	msb_: putting your name first comes out of doing support in #winehq and other places and having to answer 5 to 6 people at once at times. So it comes a habit and its a normal IRC habit.	Jan 18 12:17
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:18
oiaohm	msb_: Repeatily saying that will not make it true.	Jan 18 12:18
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:19
oiaohm	msb_: if anyone stalking anyone its you stalking me. Do I bring up over and over again so called mistakes you have made as you have been attempting to do on me.	Jan 18 12:19
oiaohm	msb_: I correct you then let it slide.	Jan 18 12:19
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:19
oiaohm	msb_: reality stop STALKING ME	Jan 18 12:20
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:20
oiaohm	I know what the problem is msb_ is not in fact in all the related channels to see that error correction is normal.	Jan 18 12:22
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:22
oiaohm	schestowitz: I know you don't do it often but I do think msb_ needs a lesson in the rules of do not spam to attempt to win a point.	Jan 18 12:24
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:24
oiaohm	msb_: I would recommend you go and reed freenode behaviour policy because what you are doing now can get you klined from services.	Jan 18 12:26
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:26
oiaohm	msb_: https://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml << "Avoid highlighting and repetition. Words and sentences in all-uppercase, heavy use of highlighting, beeping (^G) on public channels, repeating the same lines over and over--all of these behaviors irritate people and raise the channel temperature."	Jan 18 12:31
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oiaohm	msb_: so what you are currently doing like it or not is breach of channel behaviour rules.	Jan 18 12:32
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE!	Jan 18 12:32
oiaohm	msb_: Read the line in the rules. All-uppercase is to be avoided. Freenode has rules and everything I have done is inside the rules. About time you learn to stick to the services rules as well.	Jan 18 12:35
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE!	Jan 18 12:36
oiaohm	Little point please stop accusing me of STALKING as 1 was in this channel long before you. 2 the way I treat you is no different to the way I treat others here to say the same kinds of mistakes 3 I have not attempted to join any other channel you are part of. So there is no STALKING behavour.	Jan 18 12:42
schestowitz	msb_: chill man	Jan 18 12:42
schestowitz	if you don't want to engage with him, don't	Jan 18 12:43
schestowitz	there's no "stalking" afaict	Jan 18 12:43
schestowitz	just take a break, post something linux-related	Jan 18 12:43
schestowitz	let's get back on subject	Jan 18 12:43
schestowitz	not legalisation of some drugs, which puts us at a contentious point anyway...	Jan 18 12:44
msb_	schestowitz: Please ask oiaohm to stop objecting to everything I say, to stop correcting me, to stop telling me how to behave. I have not responded to anything he has said except to tell him to leave me alone and stop stalking me.	Jan 18 12:45
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msb_	schestowitz: In this case I said that windows users could ask a Linux User Group to install Linux on their computer. oiaohm said some countries don't have nearby LUGs. I said then help them over the phone to install it. oiaohm said Australia does not have reliable phone service. See what he's doing? He objects to everything I say. Please ask him to stop.	Jan 18 12:48
oiaohm	msb_: 1 I am a channel op on other channels. So point out miss behaviour as per Free-node rules is normal for me. If I don't I end up with cases of people saying hey you found that acceptable in X channel and you know banned me how could you do that.	Jan 18 12:50
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msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE!	Jan 18 12:51
oiaohm	msb_: not that schestowitz said I am not stalking you.	Jan 18 12:52
oiaohm	not/note	Jan 18 12:52
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE! STOP USING MY NICK IN YOUR POSTS!	Jan 18 12:52
oiaohm	msb_: number 1 it cuts both ways. You are using my oiaohm at start in your posts and then you are accusing me of something I am not doing.	Jan 18 12:54
oiaohm	All I did is what this meant to happen in this channel if a errors are said you are meant to correct them.	Jan 18 12:54
oiaohm	I was clean that I knew what you said did not line up to Australian reality.	Jan 18 12:55
cubexyz	reverting to ffmpeg-0.6.7	Jan 18 12:57
cubexyz	no way fc1 will be able to run new ffmpeg	Jan 18 12:57
oiaohm	cubexyz: there is but you will end up with more back ported libraries than what is sane.	Jan 18 12:58
cubexyz	oiaohm, I think I would have to update glibc	Jan 18 12:59
cubexyz	I don't think I want to try that	Jan 18 12:59
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep custom installing glibc into a special path just for ffmpeg same way you make old loki games work on newer Linux but reversed. As I said possible but insane.	Jan 18 13:00
cubexyz	I'll try this older ffmpeg first	Jan 18 13:00
cubexyz	if it does rtmp streaming then that's good enough	Jan 18 13:00
cubexyz	maybe could I compile ffmpeg statically	Jan 18 13:02
cubexyz	ffplay 0.4.9-pre1 is pretty old	Jan 18 13:03
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oiaohm	cubexyz: not exactly healthy. ffmpeg modular keeps it memory foot print down by unloading libraries when it no longer needs them.	Jan 18 13:06
oiaohm	cubexyz: of course static ffmpeg undoes that. So going static you might be in for a ram usage surprise.	Jan 18 13:07
cubexyz	one time I had a really hard look at libc.a in Unix	Jan 18 13:08
cubexyz	and I discovered something	Jan 18 13:08
cubexyz	part of the source code was missing... it was impossible to rebuild libc.a	Jan 18 13:08
cubexyz	so I built a different libc.a and called it something else	Jan 18 13:09
cubexyz	one guy (Original Unix guy) told me to recreate the missing c files from *.o files	Jan 18 13:10
cubexyz	actually I thought the missing files were assembly language files	Jan 18 13:11
cubexyz	one of the files was even missing from v6	Jan 18 13:12
cubexyz	but it's this arcane thing snstat.s	Jan 18 13:13
cubexyz	no one alive remembers what it even does	Jan 18 13:13
cubexyz	anyways, discounting the arcane snstat.s file, the other three missing files were:	Jan 18 13:15
cubexyz	alloc.s, getpid.s and ladd.s	Jan 18 13:15
cubexyz	ed used getpid to help create the temporary file as a workspace	Jan 18 13:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=bzTAMKnT3YUC&pg=PA399&lpg=PA399&dq=snstat+function&source=bl&ots=MysamjcsHe&sig=BsmL75RwMl6cn09yE7Q9nJfcCD8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilm-6NurPKAhVU5GMKHatVD1IQ6AEIIDAA#v=onepage&q=snstat%20function&f=false	Jan 18 13:22
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oiaohm	cubexyz: I guess snstat is not aligned to Microcontroller Snstat	Jan 18 13:22
cubexyz	coincedence I'd say	Jan 18 13:24
cubexyz	since this snstat is from the PDP-11 world	Jan 18 13:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: snstat in micro controllers trace all the way back to transistor based computers.	Jan 18 13:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: so it would have been something existing in the time of PDP-11.	Jan 18 13:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: but of course that function could be something completely different.	Jan 18 13:25
cubexyz	I have a vague idea what snstat.s is	Jan 18 13:26
cubexyz	It's a C interface to spider status call	Jan 18 13:26
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cubexyz	I spoke too soon :)	Jan 18 13:34
cubexyz	in fact there is a surviving piece of code after all	Jan 18 13:34
cubexyz	but it's Unix v4 era code	Jan 18 13:35
cubexyz	tiu.c	Jan 18 13:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: you and code grave yard raiding. Really writing a book of the jigsaw could make a good read.	Jan 18 14:06
cubexyz	I'm working on that	Jan 18 14:06
cubexyz	I just wonder if anyone will want to read it :)	Jan 18 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Vendetta Online 1.8.367 3D Space Combat Game	Jan 18 14:07
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cubexyz	there is no working Unix v4 as far as I know	Jan 18 14:07
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cubexyz	oiaohm, it worked :)	Jan 18 14:17
cubexyz	the old ffmpeg can stream rtmp using ffplay	Jan 18 14:17
cubexyz	now I can stream australian open tennis radio on the old box	Jan 18 14:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689091401385115648	Jan 18 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz @Telegraph Even broken clocks are right at least twice a day.		Jan 18 14:29
schestowitz	At most	Jan 18 14:30
oiaohm	schestowitz: people forget there are such thing as 24 hour clocks.	Jan 18 14:31
XRevan86	(17:30:13) oiaohm: schestowitz: people forget there are such thing as 24 hour clocks.	Jan 18 14:32
XRevan86	or do you mean analog rounded clocks?	Jan 18 14:32
oiaohm	XRevan86: http://ferkeltongs.livejournal.com/36976.html round clock with 24 hours on it instead of the normal 12.	Jan 18 14:33
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oiaohm	There are even some pocket watches that are 24 hour not 12.	Jan 18 14:33
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XRevan86	oiaohm: I suspect they are less precise than 12 hour ones.	Jan 18 15:05
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XRevan86	Although these days analog clocks are not for accuracy anyway :).	Jan 18 15:06
cubexyz	stupid ffplay	Jan 18 15:19
cubexyz	tell it not to open a display and it does anyway	Jan 18 15:19
XRevan86	cubexyz: X11 display?	Jan 18 15:19
cubexyz	yes	Jan 18 15:20
XRevan86	cubexyz: Can you just DISPLAY= it? %)	Jan 18 15:20
cubexyz	if I try -nodisp and -vn it opens the x11 display anyways	Jan 18 15:20
cubexyz	a blank window	Jan 18 15:20
XRevan86	cubexyz: DISPLAY= ffplay	Jan 18 15:21
XRevan86	It can't open anything that way	Jan 18 15:21
cubexyz	now I get "Could not initialize SDL - No available video device"	Jan 18 15:22
cubexyz	so frustrating	Jan 18 15:24
XRevan86	Hmm, -nodisp worked for mw	Jan 18 15:26
XRevan86	me	Jan 18 15:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: Apparently a bug that was fixed years ago.	Jan 18 15:26
cubexyz	I have to run old on fc1 as you can imagine	Jan 18 15:26
cubexyz	so old ffplay	Jan 18 15:27
cubexyz	if I knew what the bug fix was I could backport it	Jan 18 15:29
cubexyz	it doesn't open an X11 window at all with your version of ffplay?	Jan 18 15:32
MinceR	analog clocks are impractical	Jan 18 15:50
cubexyz	cars have them	Jan 18 15:51
MinceR	not mine	Jan 18 15:54
cubexyz	this isn't some eightysomobile is it? :)	Jan 18 15:55
cubexyz	fixed ffplay :))))))))))	Jan 18 15:56
cubexyz	stupid programmers turn the damned video back on!	Jan 18 15:56
oiaohm	MinceR: 24 hour analogue watch has a practical usage. Point hour hand at sun depending on what hemisphere you are in the 0/24 hour mark is either north or south as long as the watch is on local time. Yes they are fairly simple to set from sun dials as well.	Jan 18 15:56
MinceR	no, nineties	Jan 18 15:58
MinceR	oiaohm: i have digital compasses	Jan 18 15:58
MinceR	also, sun dials won't show you timezone-correct time and they're even less accurate to read	Jan 18 15:58
oiaohm	MinceR: some of the hills I go through digital compasses and gps are fairly much worthless.	Jan 18 15:59
cubexyz	henceforth I will be using ffplay_novideo	Jan 18 16:00
MinceR	oiaohm: what do you do if you can't see the sun?	Jan 18 16:02
MinceR	also, how is GPS worthless there?	Jan 18 16:02
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oiaohm	MinceR: due to the metal shadows in the one area the GPS reads 482 sats when only 4 are over head.	Jan 18 16:03
MinceR	:)	Jan 18 16:03
oiaohm	So basically your GPS bricks.	Jan 18 16:03
oiaohm	All that metal means a magnetic compass is also completely worthless.	Jan 18 16:04
oiaohm	MinceR: Gyro compasses and solar calculated north is all you can use in those horrible areas.	Jan 18 16:06
MinceR	have they started mining there? :>	Jan 18 16:06
oiaohm	The area is not mine-able. The metal shadows are coming from a set of small metal seams caused by historic volcanic activity and it still and actively moving fault line in a mountain range.	Jan 18 16:09
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oiaohm	Of course since it a national park and a few people stupidly believe that GPS is god. You have to go in and get a few idiots out of there every now and again.	Jan 18 16:11
MinceR	lol	Jan 18 16:11
MinceR	and if the sky is overcast, you have to wait until you can use your watches :>	Jan 18 16:12
oiaohm	MinceR: overcast does not prevent you using the shadows.	Jan 18 16:12
MinceR	or use a gyroscope	Jan 18 16:12
MinceR	if the sky is cloudy enough, the shadows become useless	Jan 18 16:12
oiaohm	There is a trick using block quartz that allows you to calibrate unless the weather is really bad.	Jan 18 16:13
oiaohm	MinceR: basically there is a trick to find the sun behind the clouds.	Jan 18 16:14
oiaohm	the quartz trick fails once you look up and you see a storm that is going to be dropping large hail.	Jan 18 16:14
oiaohm	when the quartz block trick fails find solid shelter quickly.	Jan 18 16:15
oiaohm	MinceR: even using the stars a 24 hour watch is useful if you know how to use it.	Jan 18 16:17
MinceR	maybe an ordinary polarizer would suffice	Jan 18 16:19
oiaohm	MinceR: quartz block is a dirty trick. Its not pure quartz its acts as a converter so light freq we cannot see that pass through most clouds to some we can see.	Jan 18 16:25
MinceR	is that IR or UV?	Jan 18 16:27
oiaohm	UV down to optical and a percentage of IR upto optical. So basically both.	Jan 18 16:28
oiaohm	As I said dirty trick. Its not a clean process but its good enough.	Jan 18 16:29
oiaohm	Basically when the cloud is thick enough that UV and IR are not pass though enough the cloud between you and sun is thick and hail bearing. Not safe conditions to be walking in open ground.	Jan 18 16:35
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oiaohm	MinceR: mind you pure quartz does the polariser trick that allows you still to see through clouds to a decent amount. Smart is both. When polariser fails use stone and find nearest shelter.	Jan 18 16:45
MinceR	ic	Jan 18 16:47
oiaohm	Please remember the watch, polarisers, quartz stone, map all don't take batteries and are fairly water proof. the gyro is the only thing you are depending on batteries for.	Jan 18 16:51
oiaohm	MinceR: basically no point going in there if you end up stuck as well due to tech failure.	Jan 18 16:52
oiaohm	Some cases primitive is a really good idea.	Jan 18 16:52
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cubexyz	it's all utter shit I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole	Jan 18 18:16
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cubexyz	I couldn't care less if windows 7 or 8 or whatever was supported or not	Jan 18 18:18
cubexyz	the idea that windows 7 or any other version was somehow less shitty is a joke	Jan 18 18:19
cubexyz	because the truth is windows is closed source garbage, all the way back to windows 1.0	Jan 18 18:20
MinceR	exactly	Jan 18 18:21
MinceR	"What's the difference between an Afghani Military Base and a Pakistani Elementary School? I don't know, I just fly the drone"	Jan 18 18:56
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TweetTuxMachines	with Linux development on hold	Jan 18 20:23
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TweetTuxMachines	smartphone Priv in India on January 28	Jan 18 21:59
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689207127580233728	Jan 18 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz @bastianbest shame that EFF is still promoting software patents instead of fighting for abolishment.		Jan 18 22:06
schestowitz	I saw your article about this and cited it last year, but what about the positive steps, like actions against Texas courts?	Jan 18 22:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jessysaurusrex/status/689117056525012992	Jan 18 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jessysaurusrex: @Snowden @alvarombedoya There is a vast difference between security of citizens and security for the state. More people need to know this.		Jan 18 22:12
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689207845452169217	Jan 18 22:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz as long as defend https://t.co/Y8b9sxiu9c still believes in reform instead of no SW pat?		Jan 18 22:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> innovation.org \| PhRMA: Innovation Hub		Jan 18 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Updates For Linux 4.5 Brings	Jan 18 22:42
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements For Smack, EVM & TPM	Jan 18 22:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 7 more terrific Android apps you can’t get on	Jan 18 22:42
TweetTuxMachines	the iPhone https://t.co/e1i8XllTcC (bgr.com)	Jan 18 22:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Gets A New Clock Design For Their Suru	Jan 18 22:42
TweetTuxMachines	Visual Language https://t.co/uCP7FPAQFM	Jan 18 22:42
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MinceR	https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7rbIIhqUSfXlBq4o/giphy.gif	Jan 18 23:24
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689227392938852352	Jan 18 23:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz so is it all open source or just parts? I hope the first but I fear the latter.		Jan 18 23:42
schestowitz	They claim to be FOSS	Jan 18 23:43
schestowitz	MinceR: Sanderstrike https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7rbIIhqUSfXlBq4o/giphy.gif	Jan 18 23:44
schestowitz	Came up with the word, I guess...	Jan 18 23:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689231739714154496	Jan 18 23:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz completely? That's not clear to me.		Jan 18 23:44
schestowitz	Maybe like Jolla/SailfishOS, only some parts	Jan 18 23:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 18/1/2016: AsteroidOS With GNU,	Jan 18 23:47
TweetTuxMachines	NetworkManager 1.2 https://t.co/KhQ6x5N13e	Jan 18 23:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 18/1/2016: AsteroidOS With GNU, NetworkManager 1.2 https://t.co/KhQ6x5N13e'		Jan 18 23:47
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689232309103529984	Jan 19 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz hrmpf. Well, I backed them. Let's see how much I get.		Jan 19 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/n5f6UoOLGy	Jan 19 00:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/UYJHif1NZs	Jan 19 00:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/H1ymRAZDIx	Jan 19 00:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/pCEMUuhWyZ	Jan 19 00:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Gets New Mir Update with Fix	Jan 19 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	for Pinch-to-Zoom Reliability	Jan 19 00:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Gets New Mir Update with Fix	Jan 19 00:33
TweetTuxMachines	for Pinch-to-Zoom Reliability	Jan 19 00:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GParted 0.25.0 Lands with Progress Bars for	Jan 19 00:33
TweetTuxMachines	EXT4 and NTFS Operations, Bugfixes	Jan 19 00:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Update 2016-01-18 (stable)	Jan 19 00:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Deepin Takes Linux to New Depths	Jan 19 00:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What a Linux User Misses From Windows	Jan 19 00:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vhkrTN4Pgf (www.datamation.com)	Jan 19 00:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rescatux 0.40 Beta 5 System Rescue Live CD Out	Jan 19 01:20
TweetTuxMachines	Now with UEFI Boot Support	Jan 19 01:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Update 2016-01-18 (stable)	Jan 19 01:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where would we be without Ubuntu	Jan 19 01:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Deepin Takes Linux to New Depths	Jan 19 01:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Deepin Takes Linux to New Depths \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What a Linux User Misses From Windows	Jan 19 02:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rescatux 0.40 Beta 5 System Rescue Live CD Out	Jan 19 02:08
TweetTuxMachines	Now with UEFI Boot Support	Jan 19 02:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment 0.20.3 Linux Desktop Environment	Jan 19 03:06
TweetTuxMachines	Released with Over 30 Bugfixes	Jan 19 03:06
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msb_	"Enlightenment 0.20.3 DE Released with Over 30 Bugfixes" These announcements don't inspire my confidence. Why did they release version 0.20.2 with more than 30 bugs?	Jan 19 09:42
msb_	I know that excuses can be made. But I think it would be better if they just didn't mention it, or called them "improvements".	Jan 19 09:43
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oiaohm	msb_: really when have you not looked at enlightnment bug list have you. https://phab.enlightenment.org/maniphest/	Jan 19 10:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://phab.enlightenment.org/maniphest/ )		Jan 19 10:03
msb_	Hey there shit-head. Who would have expected you?	Jan 19 10:04
oiaohm	msb_: Enlightenment has less than 110 bugs total.	Jan 19 10:04
oiaohm	very low for a windows manager/de	Jan 19 10:04
oiaohm	Maybe they should have pushed the fact they had got to such a low bug count.	Jan 19 10:05
oiaohm	msb_: to give you context. https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&content=&no_redirect=0&product=&query_format=specific&order=priority%2Cbug_severity&limit=0 Yep last xfce released with over 2000 open bugs.	Jan 19 10:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.xfce.org \| Bugzilla is pondering your search [ http://ur1.ca/ofgh5 ]		Jan 19 10:09
oiaohm	msb_: point releases on Enlightenment are bugfix releases. Even on Microsoft equal to point releases they list what bugs they have fixed and don't call them improvements either.	Jan 19 10:23
oiaohm	I always find it strange on some of this when projects do on releases as per CERT recommendations listing what issues have been fixed people say hey that looks bad. Never checking context.	Jan 19 10:24
oiaohm	Maybe there need to be more education on how to read release notes so people don't panic without need.	Jan 19 10:25
cubexyz	I prefer using a light wm like icewm	Jan 19 10:30
cubexyz	but I also use parts of KDE	Jan 19 10:30
oiaohm	Yep icewm is also under the 120 bug count.	Jan 19 10:33
cubexyz	oiaohm, I can't think of any icewm bugs	Jan 19 10:33
oiaohm	cubexyz: there is 111 confirmed bugs needing fixes in the last icewm release.	Jan 19 10:33
oiaohm	Of course that does not mean users are commonly going to run into any of them.	Jan 19 10:34
msb_	The sky is blue. Will shit-head argue?	Jan 19 10:35
oiaohm	msb_: please when you start a topic don't but in with crap.	Jan 19 10:37
msb_	Yep!	Jan 19 10:38
oiaohm	Totals in bugs still open when Linux, Windows, OS X, OSi... solutions ship is quite high.	Jan 19 10:39
cubexyz	with windows the whole thing is one giant bug	Jan 19 10:39
cubexyz	I've seen FC1 go over 400 days, and openbsd go over a year	Jan 19 10:42
cubexyz	I never saw a win2k box go 2 months	Jan 19 10:42
oiaohm	msb_: I did show you channel rules for freenode. And I told you I was op in other channels. So doing that crap line was going to get you yelled at for rule breaking.	Jan 19 10:43
cubexyz	essentially linux and bsd are more resilient than windows	Jan 19 10:43
cubexyz	that's based on all my years of experience with operating systems	Jan 19 10:43
msb_	Shit-head is King here. He tells people what to do. Everyone bow down to shit-head.	Jan 19 10:44
oiaohm	Not exactly sure openbsd does have very strict policy on keeping bug counts down.	Jan 19 10:44
oiaohm	msb_: using fowl language in a channel that is not mark as such is an offence that can get you k-lined by freenode ops from the network. So please do improve your language and if you don't please don't complain when you find you cannot log into freenode.	Jan 19 10:45
msb_	Go fsck yourself.	Jan 19 10:46
cubexyz	people swear on freenode all the time	Jan 19 10:47
cubexyz	it's not ideal, but I can't think of any way to stop it	Jan 19 10:47
oiaohm	cubexyz: you do need to be careful particular channels are flagged as having offensive language. So swearing in the right channels is fine.	Jan 19 10:47
cubexyz	flooding is worse than swearing, I'd say	Jan 19 10:48
msb_	He's a psychopath. I'm the target he's chosen to harass.	Jan 19 10:48
cubexyz	flagged how?	Jan 19 10:48
oiaohm	cubexyz: channel registration process.	Jan 19 10:48
cubexyz	I mean if someone came in here and starting talking about xbox and windows and microsoft all the time, then you're going to get cursing	Jan 19 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gorgeous Zorin OS 11 Linux Is Now in Beta,	Jan 19 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	Based on Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf)	Jan 19 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VQlj9tk6NX (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 10:49
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cubexyz	people will incite that type of behaviour	Jan 19 10:49
oiaohm	cubexyz: its luck of draw. If a freenode op happens to be in channel sees bad langauge see no flag on channel allowing it next thing the person can know is kline.	Jan 19 10:50
msb_	No wonder he's aggressively anonymous. I'm probably not the first one he's done this to.	Jan 19 10:50
cubexyz	ok, I think I can live without swearing anyways	Jan 19 10:51
msb_	Don't worry, he won't go after you. He's focussed on me.	Jan 19 10:52
cubexyz	IRC doesn't generally have a high level of etiquette	Jan 19 10:52
cubexyz	this channel used to get spammed by pro-Microsoft people but it hasn't happened much lately	Jan 19 10:53
cubexyz	people get bored and move on	Jan 19 10:53
oiaohm	msb_: https://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml the miss use of the word fsck is written in the guide lines for freenode.	Jan 19 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net \| freenode philosophy: channel guidelines		Jan 19 10:53
msb_	Personally, I think that stalking is a lot worse than swearing.	Jan 19 10:54
oiaohm	Serousilly it pays to know the rules of the IRC server you are on.	Jan 19 10:54
cubexyz	are these rules freenode rules or channel rules?	Jan 19 10:54
cubexyz	I guess they must be freenode rules	Jan 19 10:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: those are the rules freenode ops will enforce on channels if they are present. Channel ops are allowed extra rules.	Jan 19 10:55
cubexyz	we should tell people it's all logged as well :)	Jan 19 10:56
cubexyz	oiaohm, /#linux was a very unfriendly place	Jan 19 10:57
oiaohm	cubexyz: this is in the join message from the server "accept our policies as set out on http://www.freenode.net"	Jan 19 10:57
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cubexyz	they were very hostile to me when I first went in there	Jan 19 10:57
msb_	What if I put up a web page about him on my website, complete with quotes from him proving everything I say. Would that violate any rules.	Jan 19 10:57
msb_	?	Jan 19 10:58
cubexyz	I always thought of IRC has having almost no rules, except that ops could kick people out of the channel if things got too bad	Jan 19 10:58
oiaohm	If you just want to publish a single conversation, be careful to get permission from each participant. Provide as much context as you can. Avoid the temptation to publish or distribute logs without permission in order to portray someone in a bad light. The reputation you save will most likely be your own.	Jan 19 10:58
msb_	That worked with a psychopath who was stalking me in COLA.	Jan 19 10:58
oiaohm	msb_: that is from policy	Jan 19 10:58
cubexyz	oiaohm, utterly unenforceable	Jan 19 10:59
cubexyz	and we've been logging in here for years	Jan 19 10:59
cubexyz	and it doesn't seem to make us any more polite	Jan 19 10:59
oiaohm	cubexyz: note the word publish.	Jan 19 10:59
msb_	This channel has public archives made by schestowitz.	Jan 19 10:59
cubexyz	swearing in public places is probably against the rules too	Jan 19 11:01
cubexyz	but .... :)	Jan 19 11:01
oiaohm	schestowitz is the channel owner. He has the direct rights to info people its logged and edit logging were required.	Jan 19 11:01
cubexyz	you're not going to jail for swearing	Jan 19 11:01
msb_	So he has already published all of our posts without asking anyone's permission.	Jan 19 11:01
cubexyz	again, how could you ever stop logging?	Jan 19 11:02
cubexyz	you can't	Jan 19 11:02
msb_	I won't even swear on the web page, just quote him on favoring police causing brain injuries and other such horrors.	Jan 19 11:03
cubexyz	just like you can't stop someone from downloading pictures from the web	Jan 19 11:03
cubexyz	the whole system works based on free access	Jan 19 11:03
msb_	"Information wants to be free!"	Jan 19 11:04
cubexyz	there's absolutely no expectation of privacy on people typing text in a public forum like IRC	Jan 19 11:04
cubexyz	the idea is ridiculous	Jan 19 11:05
oiaohm	cubexyz: logging is allowed it publishing is the issue. Taking stuff out of context cause legal problems like deformation.	Jan 19 11:05
cubexyz	I bet there's nothing actionable on IRC whatsoever	Jan 19 11:06
cubexyz	how could you prove the logs are legit? who said what, etc?	Jan 19 11:06
cubexyz	emails you probably could	Jan 19 11:06
oiaohm	cubexyz: there have been 4 cases in the USA over IRC logs published on web pages. Each case the person complaining about it won.	Jan 19 11:06
cubexyz	I'd love to see an example	Jan 19 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Users Will Start Noticing Things Looking More	Jan 19 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	Different on Ubuntu, Says Canonical	Jan 19 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XjKYHedDlQ (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 11:07
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cubexyz	and I bet there's much more than 4 cases about IRC that were tossed out of court	Jan 19 11:07
cubexyz	like 99.999% of them	Jan 19 11:08
msb_	The more of his context I publish on recommending that cops bash people's brains in and kill them, the worse (and more mentally "deformed") he will look.	Jan 19 11:08
cubexyz	oiaohm, a fair minded jury would tear that argument to pieces	Jan 19 11:08
oiaohm	msb_: and that would be out of context because that strips out a huge stack of other information given.	Jan 19 11:08
cubexyz	"someone else used my nick that wasn't me"	Jan 19 11:09
cubexyz	so easy to fake it's not funny	Jan 19 11:09
oiaohm	Yep another problem.	Jan 19 11:09
msb_	Hell, I'll include everything he said on the subject. It will just make him look like more of a monster.	Jan 19 11:10
oiaohm	IRC is not a trust worthy source.	Jan 19 11:10
oiaohm	So attempt to use it as a source for a website to attack someone is playing on a very dangerous slope.	Jan 19 11:10
cubexyz	maybe with password protected nick you might have something	Jan 19 11:10
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cubexyz	otherwise, no	Jan 19 11:10
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oiaohm	cubexyz: even a password protected nick does not mean it was the person.	Jan 19 11:11
msb_	So you will deny that you said those things?	Jan 19 11:11
cubexyz	yes that's true	Jan 19 11:11
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oiaohm	msb_: question you have called me all kinds of things so why would you think I would not be underhanded?	Jan 19 11:11
msb_	You were underhanded and evil before I called you anything.	Jan 19 11:12
oiaohm	So by that means you have to presume that I would deny those things.	Jan 19 11:13
msb_	doesn't parse	Jan 19 11:14
msb_	So this totally anonymous entity proposes to sue me for quoting him out of context, when I have simply quoted his posts exactly.	Jan 19 11:14
msb_	verbatim	Jan 19 11:15
oiaohm	There is more than 1 person who uses the handle oiaohm	Jan 19 11:15
msb_	In this channel?	Jan 19 11:15
oiaohm	That is for you to guess	Jan 19 11:16
oiaohm	cubexyz the 4 cases I refered to were deformation cases wins. In deformation cases its up to the person who posts the stuff to prove they had it correct. Its not the person who bring deformation charges who has to prove anything.	Jan 19 11:22
oiaohm	cubexyz: so using a untrustworthy source is basically screwed in court.	Jan 19 11:23
msb_	Well, I have posted that the anonymous-thing has said: 1. systemd is good and necessary for Linux 2. THC does not cause the psychedelic state and anyone who sells high-THC cannabis should be put to death by the state 3. Heavy blunt trauma to the head and brain is the best way for cops to control people. And the anonymous-thing here didn't say that he said some of this but not others. So the same person said all of them.	Jan 19 11:25
msb_	I have said all three of those things in a single statement. And he did not deny he said them.	Jan 19 11:26
oiaohm	Again wrong your memory is worthless.	Jan 19 11:27
msb_	But my logs are perfect.	Jan 19 11:27
msb_	And they will match those of Schestowitz.	Jan 19 11:27
oiaohm	I have said THC causes a psycdedelic state it also causes cell death when done in high THC without counter agent.	Jan 19 11:27
oiaohm	And that is medical data.	Jan 19 11:28
msb_	No, you said CBD causes the psychedelic state.	Jan 19 11:28
oiaohm	No I did not. I said CBD increases memory and alertness.	Jan 19 11:29
oiaohm	Basically the two two drugs are doing two different brain alterations.	Jan 19 11:29
msb_	Of course half the time you said "TDP" so who knows.	Jan 19 11:30
oiaohm	I gave links to the medical data because I know I miss type THC	Jan 19 11:30
oiaohm	If you had understood the data you would know high CBD low THC can still cause psychedelic state execpt with lower risk of cell death compared ot High THC.	Jan 19 11:31
msb_	Quote yourself where you said that THC causes the psychedelic state.	Jan 19 11:32
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oiaohm	msb_: but as even you said there are other drugs that don't cause cell death that can cause the same state.	Jan 19 11:32
msb_	I did not say that any of the cannabinoids cause cell death.	Jan 19 11:33
oiaohm	THC is used in cancer treatment because it does trigger cell death.	Jan 19 11:34
oiaohm	Fun part is mulated cells can have removed the means for CBD to protect them.	Jan 19 11:35
msb_	Quote yourself where you said that THC causes the psychedelic state.	Jan 19 11:35
oiaohm	THC also causes depression.	Jan 19 11:35
oiaohm	That other alteranives to it dont	Jan 19 11:36
oiaohm	THC is not a friendly chemical.	Jan 19 11:36
msb_	Quote yourself where you said that THC causes the psychedelic state.	Jan 19 11:36
oiaohm	psychedelic state with depression can equal jump off roof or equal.	Jan 19 11:37
msb_	You can't, because you never said it.	Jan 19 11:37
oiaohm	It was in the links I gave.	Jan 19 11:37
msb_	Yeah, sure.	Jan 19 11:38
oiaohm	No Yeah sure about It I have the complete logs here.	Jan 19 11:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/scruffy_crunch/status/689410107952652288	Jan 19 11:39
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oiaohm	msb_: THC has three side effects. Imparement to memory, depression and psychedelic state caused by the imparment. CDB has 2 major states. Improved memory and Improved mood. So CDB is anti-depression.	Jan 19 11:41
oiaohm	msb_: so you want your THC with enough CDB to counter imparement to memory and depression.	Jan 19 11:43
msb_	Your statement is ridiculous. The psychedelic (mind-manifesting) state is _not_ caused by memory impairment and depression. But if it were, and CDB blocked those effects, then according to you the THC would not have the psychedelic effect.	Jan 19 11:47
oiaohm	Its that you don't understand it. CDB undoing the effects means THC is not as long lasting not that the effect cannot be generated. Issues come from THC remaining in place too long.	Jan 19 11:49
msb_	CDB->CBD	Jan 19 11:49
oiaohm	I hate dyslexia.	Jan 19 11:50
msb_	Your statement has no discernible meaning.	Jan 19 11:51
oiaohm	THC goes into receptors right you want to be cleared out in a timely manor that is what CDB achives. So preventing the worst problems.	Jan 19 11:52
oiaohm	Of course everything has side effects higher CBD means effectness time of the THC is so person may have to intake more to maintain same high.	Jan 19 11:53
msb_	Your claim that the psychedelic state is caused by memory impairment and depression is utter nonsense. If you believe that, then anything you say on the subject is worthless.	Jan 19 11:55
oiaohm	msb_: no you cannot read.	Jan 19 11:56
oiaohm	I did not say the psychedelic state was caused by memory imparment alone did I.	Jan 19 11:56
msb_	"<oiaohm> msb_: THC has three side effects. Imparement to memory, depression and psychedelic state caused by the imparment."	Jan 19 11:57
oiaohm	memory, depression and psychedelic state if you have someone in MRI you will see are different sections of brain.	Jan 19 11:57
oiaohm	So CDB at right does cleans up 2 areas of brain.	Jan 19 11:58
msb_	Are you denying what you wrote 16 minutes ago"	Jan 19 11:59
msb_	?	Jan 19 11:59
oiaohm	Not at all.	Jan 19 11:59
oiaohm	You just read something as one pience when it was in fact 3.	Jan 19 11:59
msb_	Separate the 3 piences.	Jan 19 12:00
oiaohm	Imparement to memory, psychedelic state and depression is 3 different places THC is acting on.	Jan 19 12:01
oiaohm	2 of those things you really don't want.	Jan 19 12:01
msb_	You said "psychedelic state caused by the imparment"	Jan 19 12:02
oiaohm	That is correct as neron paths get blocked brain uses other paths it has not used. So you see alterations in brain activity caused by this.	Jan 19 12:02
oiaohm	As long everything being cleaned there should be no long term issues. Of course cleaning up is where CBD comes in.	Jan 19 12:04
oiaohm	msb_: basically its a ratio. Right ratio of CBD to THC and by all studies it should be very safe.	Jan 19 12:05
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msb_	Is this your theory of the cause of the psychedelic state? Where did you get it from? "as neron paths get blocked brain uses other paths it has not used. So you see alterations in brain activity caused by this."	Jan 19 12:06
oiaohm	msb_: http://www.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosophy/2012/mar/02/how-marijuana-impairs-memory cannot find the one I want from 2013 that showed THC has effects on non memory neuronal connetions 2012 showed the disrupting memory effect.	Jan 19 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| How marijuana impairs memory \| Science \| The Guardian		Jan 19 12:12
oiaohm	msb_: so what I stated is the current theory on how THC generated psychedelic effect by messing with neuronal connections in fact blocking some of them.	Jan 19 12:13
oiaohm	msb_: of course there could be extra factors as well.	Jan 19 12:13
msb_	That article doesn't even mention the word "psychedelic", so it certainly does not prove your claim.	Jan 19 12:16
oiaohm	I said I could not find the one I wanted.	Jan 19 12:16
oiaohm	Its the weaking of connections that causes depression is stated in that one.	Jan 19 12:17
oiaohm	So you really don't want THC too strong.	Jan 19 12:18
msb_	The word "depression' in that article does not mean emotional depression. It is juxtaposed to "potentiation" and means the weakening of certain neural activity.	Jan 19 12:21
msb_	It means a decrease in the excitability of certain neurons.	Jan 19 12:22
msb_	No connection with psychological depression.	Jan 19 12:22
oiaohm	msb_: really http://www.memorylossonline.com/summer2001/depression.html	Jan 19 12:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.memorylossonline.com \| Depression and Memory		Jan 19 12:24
oiaohm	msb_: you don't know your facts.	Jan 19 12:24
oiaohm	As soon as you start losing memory effectiveness the risk of psychological depression skyrockets.	Jan 19 12:25
msb_	Cannabis is _prescribed_ for psychological depression.	Jan 19 12:27
msb_	And you didn't admit that you misunderstood the Guardian article.	Jan 19 12:28
oiaohm	CBD is effective against psychological depression by improving memory and improving mood. THC is not good for psychological depression because it limiting memory as one of it side effects.	Jan 19 12:28
oiaohm	msb_: I did not miss read the Guardian article I understood what depression to a particular section of brain does to psychological depression.	Jan 19 12:29
oiaohm	So high CBD low THC works resonably well on psychological depression cases.	Jan 19 12:30
oiaohm	msb_: type of cannabis prescribe is important. Cannabis is not just 1 thing. Most medical used cannabis is high CBD low THC. Exception is brain cancer treatment cases. THC can be more targeted than other brain cancer treating drugs.	Jan 19 12:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/WeiDeLi14/status/689420818497994752	Jan 19 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WeiDeLi14: @WeiDeLi14 Interesting observation -- there are many in Cambodia whose sole experience of Internet is via Facebook: https://t.co/egUMur4M7k		Jan 19 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #facebook does not want to make the #internet accessible to more Indians. Just wants to ensure that to many in #india Internet IS Facebook.		Jan 19 12:36
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schestowitz	msb_: why are you talking about drugs here?	Jan 19 12:36
schestowitz	Go to Silk Road or something (it that still exists)	Jan 19 12:36
schestowitz	[11:27] <msb_> But my logs are perfect.	Jan 19 12:36
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schestowitz	[11:27] <msb_> And they will match those of Schestowitz.	Jan 19 12:37
schestowitz	Yes, they've been very complete since 2008	Jan 19 12:37
schestowitz	maybe a little lacking when I had hardware issues and the backups weren't perfect	Jan 19 12:37
schestowitz	makes me wonder if freenode keeps logs, how long for, and whether governments ever compelled #freenode to hand some over	Jan 19 12:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel P-State Is Faster Than ACPI CPUFreq	Jan 19 12:38
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oiaohm	schestowitz: freenode does not keep logging very long as with number of channels it would get expensive very quickly.	Jan 19 12:40
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msb_	schestowitz: oiaohm was stalking me again on a tech subject, and threatening me in various ways. I concisely listed his bizarre and anti-human beliefs, and _he_ then went off on cannabis again.	Jan 19 12:41
msb_	schestowitz: Please tell him to leave me alone.	Jan 19 12:42
oiaohm	msb_: no you raised the topic again.	Jan 19 12:44
msb_	schestowitz: Every time I say _anything_ he pops up and disagrees with it.	Jan 19 12:44
oiaohm	Please don't attempt to blame me for something you raised msb_	Jan 19 12:44
oiaohm	msb_: remember schestowitz has the logs and can see exactly who raised it.	Jan 19 12:45
msb_	oiaohm: I have added you to my "ignore list". Hopefully this means I will never see your posts.	Jan 19 12:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/METAKNlGHT/status/689428674437771265	Jan 19 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@METAKNlGHT: .@schestowitz @glynmoody Yes, and no. Also have to remember the anonym-ised users are using tor. https://t.co/4iTQS4pypM		Jan 19 12:47
schestowitz	Any evidence for the "yes"? And which government/s?	Jan 19 12:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/689428869103792128	Jan 19 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: I was in the dressing room with Savile back in 1996. TV Centre. BBC staff knew about him then @schestowitz		Jan 19 12:48
schestowitz	Like Blatter and Battestilli (EPO). Everyone knows something is seriously wrong, but too afraid to speak out.	Jan 19 12:49
schestowitz	*Battistelli	Jan 19 12:49
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://thestack.com/security/2014/11/14/81-of-tor-users-can-be-de-anonymised-by-analysing-router-information-research-indicates/	Jan 19 12:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thestack.com \| 81% of Tor users can be de-anonymised via router information [ http://ur1.ca/ofgt9 ]		Jan 19 12:51
oiaohm	schestowitz: The reality is tor is not that great of stealth.	Jan 19 12:51
oiaohm	schestowitz: that 2014 attack works against any communication that demands limited latency.	Jan 19 12:54
msb_	<test>	Jan 19 13:04
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cubexyz	can any of the smartwatches do ntp?	Jan 19 13:35
cubexyz	seems like an obvious thing to add	Jan 19 13:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: welcome to stupid. /system/etc/gps.conf exists in Android and allows maker to define ntp servers to sync against. So rooted phones and watches can set it. So ntp is built in but no GUI to configure it.	Jan 19 13:45
cubexyz	rooted watches?	Jan 19 13:46
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/01/17/asteroidos-is-an-open-source-operating-systems-for-your-android-wear-smartwatch/ Lets just say replacing the image on a lot of android watches is not hard.	Jan 19 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com \| AsteroidOS is an Open Source Operating System for Your Android (Wear) Smartwatch		Jan 19 13:47
oiaohm	Annoying but not hard.	Jan 19 13:48
cubexyz	you don't automatically get root on your watch's OS?	Jan 19 13:49
cubexyz	seems a bit user hostile	Jan 19 13:49
cubexyz	we got root on zaurus	Jan 19 13:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: on android devices most don't give you root out box.	Jan 19 13:51
schestowitz	great article from Chris Hedges http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/01/18/there-is-no-justice-in-america/	Jan 19 13:53
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cubexyz	oiaohm, I ported pack to Unix v7	Jan 19 13:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/689445412323782656	Jan 19 13:53
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cubexyz	from pdp11 sysv Unix	Jan 19 13:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/troubletroyous/status/689449208579887104	Jan 19 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@troubletroyous: @schestowitz @katalin_pota @the_intercept national security means lies, they are protecting their lies. The seals didn't do it, #diabetes		Jan 19 14:09
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6971293	Jan 19 14:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What #facebook deems "racism" is very broad, politically-motivated. See for instance techrights.org/2010/10/29/power-over-communities-misused/ & http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Facebook		Jan 19 14:45
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cubexyz	oiaohm, don't you find the whole way things get described on the web is basically poor?	Jan 19 14:48
cubexyz	howto articles for example	Jan 19 14:49
cubexyz	almost always from the pov of a windows user	Jan 19 14:49
schestowitz	Squiz 'open source' has just mailed me spam	Jan 19 14:49
schestowitz	they pretend to be FOSS	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	oiaohm: they're from AUssie	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	They're frauds	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	i sent back this reply	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	"	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	Hi Lisa,	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	Some time ago I asked Squiz for access to the source code, as per the instructions in the documentation. I have not, however, received any reply (stonewalling). Based on the fact that I now receive Squiz marketing to the e-mail from which I sent my request I can assume, correctly perhaps, that Squiz is more interested in sending its unsolicited marketing (to as many people as possible) than in allowing them to access the source code. This	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	makes me seriously doubt Squiz's commitment to Open Source.	Jan 19 14:50
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cubexyz	Fake FOSS Alert! (again)	Jan 19 14:50
cubexyz	FossForce allows Microsoft Surface Ads	Jan 19 14:53
cubexyz	there was another one FOSSbytes I think	Jan 19 14:53
cubexyz	quasi-FOSS at best	Jan 19 14:54
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/howto-geek-win10.png	Jan 19 15:01
cubexyz	schestowitz, you'll note that in the SHA-1 article it has the usual overbearing assumption that the user reading the article is a windows user	Jan 19 15:05
cubexyz	are you slow to update your OS? Oh you must be a windows xp user	Jan 19 15:08
cubexyz	get your friends off windows xp.... sounds kind of good... but then the whammy .... 'upgrade' to windows 10	Jan 19 15:10
cubexyz	hell, let's just make it a permanent part of the web page at the top	Jan 19 15:10
cubexyz	computing for the masses currently means the masses are getting ripped off	Jan 19 15:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 11 Beta Screenshot Tour - A Superb	Jan 19 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	Windows Alternative https://t.co/e7CHePdqCh	Jan 19 15:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LOHAN takes the stage at Oz Linux shindig	Jan 19 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Vcj8wffb0n (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 15:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NetworkManager 1.2 to Offer Tracking Protection	Jan 19 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	in Wi-Fi Networks on Linux Systems	Jan 19 15:21
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cubexyz	lifehacker is a joke as well	Jan 19 15:27
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/comparison-of-various-file-compressors.txt	Jan 19 15:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689471310313955328	Jan 19 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz That's why the only foreign attacks on American soil for 70 years have been by M-E people.		Jan 19 15:53
schestowitz	Untrue	Jan 19 15:53
cubexyz	the unabomber comes to mind	Jan 19 15:54
cubexyz	ok, not a foreign attack..	Jan 19 15:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro	Jan 19 15:55
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 15.12 https://t.co/QVHCCaxmrb	Jan 19 15:55
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 19 15:55
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msb_	9-11 wasn't a foreign attack either -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 That Chris Hedges article in Paul Craig Roberts' site is excellent. Look at PCR holding two (2) cats at the bottom.	Jan 19 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Jan 19 15:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689476469395951616	Jan 19 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz 1993, 9-11, Boston Marathon, San Bernardino... Not even the Soviet Union killed Americans on their homeland.		Jan 19 16:11
schestowitz	Soviet Union is a nation, not a religious movement	Jan 19 16:12
cubexyz	soviet union was anti-religious I think	Jan 19 16:13
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_%281958%E2%80%9364%29	Jan 19 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| USSR anti-religious campaign (1958–64) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jan 19 16:15
cubexyz	huh, wasn't sure that would work :)	Jan 19 16:16
cubexyz	the script transforms parathenesis	Jan 19 16:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689481104835887104	Jan 19 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Middle East is not a religious movement but a geographical concept. Exactly the same as the USSR.		Jan 19 16:18
MinceR	https://8ch.net/tech/src/1452893104164.png	Jan 19 16:18
msb_	By coincidence, here's another Paul Craig Roberts column. The site it points to links to a movie on youtube, which you can get with youtube-dl. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/01/14/british-film-destroys-official-911-story/	Jan 19 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| British Film Destroys Official 9/11 Story - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/ofhfk ]		Jan 19 16:19
MinceR	the ussr wasn't against their own cults of personality, though	Jan 19 16:19
msb_	About 600MB. Watching it now.	Jan 19 16:20
cubexyz	MinceR, Khrushchev denounced Stalin's cult of personality	Jan 19 16:21
cubexyz	I can't think of anyone after him like that	Jan 19 16:21
MinceR	what about the other cults, like lenin's?	Jan 19 16:21
cubexyz	but he was before Stalin yes?	Jan 19 16:22
cubexyz	can't see anyone elevating Lenin nowadays	Jan 19 16:23
MinceR	yes he was	Jan 19 16:23
MinceR	maybe putin's establishment will	Jan 19 16:24
MinceR	they long for the ussr days	Jan 19 16:24
MinceR	though they seem to have replaced their religion	Jan 19 16:24
MinceR	dunno if that will stick	Jan 19 16:24
cubexyz	quite a while ago Stallman was called a communist	Jan 19 16:25
cubexyz	that seems to have stopped as far as I can tell	Jan 19 16:25
cubexyz	I doubt anyone really wants the USSR back, but who knows?	Jan 19 16:27
MinceR	ask average russians	Jan 19 16:28
MinceR	they clearly want their empire back	Jan 19 16:28
msb_	They would sure like to have all their state-owned factories and other facilities back, which were stolen from them by US agent Boris Yeltsin and given to various wealthy psychopaths. As described in Naomi-Klein--2007--The-shock-doctrine--The-Rise-of-Disaster-Capitalism. Chapter 11 I think.	Jan 19 16:40
msb_	Actually sold at about 10% of their value.	Jan 19 16:42
msb_	So far the video is mostly about WTC7, whose collapse was announced over various mainstream news channels several time before it had happened. IIRC one announcement took place about an hour before it fell. One was given by a newsreader who had the intact building visible in a window behind her.	Jan 19 16:58
msb_	time->times	Jan 19 16:59
schestowitz	Some thing will have to wait until after the protest because they're not time-critical. Tonight I'll post something about Topic...	Jan 19 17:09
schestowitz	:-)	Jan 19 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro	Jan 19 17:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 11 Beta Screenshot Tour - A Superb	Jan 19 17:20
TweetTuxMachines	Windows Alternative https://t.co/AjOnrxIgcl	Jan 19 17:21
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msb_	The collapse of WTC7, 50 stories high, looks _exactly_ like a standard controlled demolition, down to the center falling first so it falls in on itself. Then there were the stock "put options", made a few days before by a CIA-linked company, only on the stock of United and American Airlines, the two involved. Their stock fell almost 50%, and millions were made.	Jan 19 17:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/689511594183753728	Jan 19 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freenodestaff: @schestowitz Records of connections to servers and interaction with with NickServ et al are kept for 120 days. We don't record messages.		Jan 19 18:41
schestowitz	msb_ spewing nutty 9/11 crap again...	Jan 19 18:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Linux, Graphics	Jan 19 18:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/tSEg7EmF4E	Jan 19 18:44
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msb_	schestowitz: It isn't "nutty crap". It's true. This video is specifically designed to get through to skeptics. It's UK-oriented. Why don't you watch it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UyynjxAyw	Jan 19 18:47
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msb_	schestowitz: People who are embedded in the corrupt establishment that you're fighting will call your work "nutty crap".	Jan 19 18:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/qX1s6pKql8	Jan 19 18:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/5DeB8X5frf	Jan 19 18:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/vhfTm22FRi	Jan 19 18:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@Durga_Karma The Michael Daily News by	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8L9GwMtRr0	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	(michael.lr-partner.com) wurde soeben	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	publiziert! https://t.co/QDWKtp8pnr (paper.li)	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	Vielen Dank an @tuxmachines @ReporterOG	Jan 19 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://michael.lr-partner.com )		Jan 19 19:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/qX1s6pKql8	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto	Jan 19 19:37
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/689540089614094336	Jan 19 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz https://t.co/7KFlEpiNbP Error 503 Service Unavailable Service Unavailable Guru Meditation: XID: 45511964 Varnish cache serv		Jan 19 20:12
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schestowitz	yes, spam requests against the server, not legit traffic (for sure)	Jan 19 20:22
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schestowitz	"There is atypo:Techrights has done much of the exclusive English overage about this before"	Jan 19 20:36
schestowitz	Thanks, will fix asap	Jan 19 20:36
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schestowitz	Hope it's clearer now, I wrote it in a rush	Jan 19 20:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Jan 19 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OfLBYkxOor (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 20:56
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689555046497935360	Jan 19 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: We're very careful when writing articles on WordPress security not to specify any security measures use. https://t.co/K4fTk0uXPn		Jan 19 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Can't quite divulge architecture of my sites anymore as it helps attackers (I always get hit hardest when/after writing about Croatia)		Jan 19 21:09
schestowitz	plugins are a risk (out of date ones esp.)	Jan 19 21:09
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689555896104542212	Jan 19 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz Yup. Since the PostNuke days, I'm very cautious about what plugins I use & update as soon as a new version is released.		Jan 19 21:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689556250019905537	Jan 19 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz We also subscribe to a security service that advises of new vulnerabilities as soon as they're discovered.		Jan 19 21:15
schestowitz	The problem with nuke was phpbb inclusion in the core	Jan 19 21:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689557701857296385	Jan 19 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz That was PHP Nuke, not PostNuke. BTW, I know you don't use WordPress, but we cover WP security issues extensively on FOSSForce.		Jan 19 21:25
schestowitz	I use wordpress in about 8 sites of mine	Jan 19 21:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689560215826632704	Jan 19 21:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz Then keep an eye on @FOSSForce . We try to publish info on plugin exploits as soon as they're discovered.		Jan 19 21:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How I use Android: Writer and Android Power	Jan 19 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	author JR Raphael https://t.co/HFHMCRLZSW	Jan 19 21:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com \| How I use Android: Writer and Android Power author JR Raphael \| Computerworld		Jan 19 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Running desktop Linux on a tablet: A lid for	Jan 19 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	every pot https://t.co/uzDCwtOVsh (www.cio.com)	Jan 19 22:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Linux distros of 2016: Something for	Jan 19 22:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDEPIM Akregator Faster than Ever	Jan 19 22:04
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/butcherbird/status/689573715902787585	Jan 19 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@butcherbird: There's nothing to watch on netflix anyway. Far more interesting things on the net. https://t.co/3A6G3TTMds		Jan 19 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #VPN Providers Condemn Netflix Blocking Crackdown https://t.co/jdPwisAgk8 #netflix has destroyed the Web with #drm		Jan 19 22:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A visit to a #Fedora datacenter	Jan 19 23:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scrye.com \| A vist to a Fedora datacenter – Kevin's musings		Jan 19 23:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux conference season 2016 kicks off with	Jan 19 23:27
TweetTuxMachines	SCaLE and FOSDEM https://t.co/iQzlmuSWLi	Jan 19 23:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine 1.8 Released	Jan 19 23:30
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TweetTuxMachines	a lot more detailed than other such coverage.	Jan 19 23:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #microsoft a company of liars (not news)	Jan 19 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fQPB1GcCkn (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	'steals' its ideas from #gnu #linux	Jan 19 23:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical and BQ to Unveil the First Ubuntu	Jan 19 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	Tablet That Runs X11 Apps at MWC 2016	Jan 19 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6Q3BfS7e0J (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 23:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Oracle Releases VirtualBox 5.0.14 with Support	Jan 19 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	for Linux Kernel 4.5, Mac OS X Fixes	Jan 19 23:38
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Oracle Releases VirtualBox 5.0.14 with Support for Linux...'		Jan 20 00:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDEPIM Akregator Faster than Ever	Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5HPxWzKzG1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 00:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDEPIM Akregator Faster than Ever \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu (Tablet, Zero-day, Microsoft	Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	copycats) https://t.co/XTbCMgh5oU	Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 00:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Ubuntu (Tablet, Zero-day, Microsoft copycats) \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What Freedom Really Means In Open Source	Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/s7eKABqrlo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 00:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack	Jan 20 00:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GitHub Revolt https://t.co/19AZZgl2Te	Jan 20 00:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack	Jan 20 00:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DnD Actions Land Within Wayland's Weston,	Jan 20 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	Already Being Used In GTK+	Jan 20 00:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| DnD Actions Land Within Wayland's Weston, Already Being Used In GTK+ - Phoronix		Jan 20 00:40
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schestowitz	[14:53] <cubexyz> FossForce allows Microsoft Surface Ads	Jan 20 01:28
schestowitz	needs exclusion rule in advertiser's network	Jan 20 01:28
schestowitz	i'll let christine know..	Jan 20 01:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here's why you haven't received Android	Jan 20 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	Marshmallow yet https://t.co/4kMfOmRgly	Jan 20 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidpit.com)	Jan 20 01:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpit.com \| Here's why you haven't received Android Marshmallow yet - AndroidPIT		Jan 20 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines From Android N to Self-Driving Cars: What to	Jan 20 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	Expect at Google I/O https://t.co/235p7vRcUU	Jan 20 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.eweek.com)	Jan 20 01:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| From Android N to Self-Driving Cars: What to Expect at Google I/O		Jan 20 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google is letting Android users install apps	Jan 20 01:54
TweetTuxMachines	directly from search results	Jan 20 01:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/64GI2B8Prr (www.theverge.com)	Jan 20 01:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Google is letting Android users install apps directly from search results \| The Verge		Jan 20 01:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma tricks: smart places	Jan 20 01:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Plasma tricks: smart places \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 01:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DnD Actions Land Within Wayland's Weston,	Jan 20 01:55
TweetTuxMachines	Already Being Used In GTK+	Jan 20 01:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone Devs Begin Work on All the New	Jan 20 01:55
TweetTuxMachines	Features for the OTA-10 Update	Jan 20 01:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 7 Truths that Open Source Struggles With	Jan 20 02:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus and Manjaro Linux Receive Patch for the	Jan 20 02:04
TweetTuxMachines	Zero-Day Linux Kernel Vulnerability	Jan 20 02:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Solus and Manjaro Linux Receive Patch for the Zero-Day Linux Kernel Vulnerability \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 02:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OnePlus Recruits Beta Testers For Android	Jan 20 02:04
TweetTuxMachines	6.0-Based Hydrogen OS https://t.co/DXOoeSn3ut	Jan 20 02:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Jan 20 02:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com \| OnePlus Recruits Beta Testers For Android 6.0-Based Hydrogen OS \| Androidheadlines.com		Jan 20 02:04
msb_	Does this mean that Hollywood doesn't want people to _pay_ to watch movies via Netflix if they are in the wrong country? https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-providers-condemn-netflix-blocking-crackdown-160118/	Jan 20 02:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com \| VPN Providers Condemn Netflix Blocking Crackdown - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/ofje7 ]		Jan 20 02:06
schestowitz	msb_: it means they stick to weird business model assumptions	Jan 20 02:07
schestowitz	like region-based service	Jan 20 02:07
schestowitz	which I think it made illegal in the EU	Jan 20 02:07
schestowitz	for various different reasons, depends who you listen to....	Jan 20 02:08
msb_	But they're turning down _money_, which is what they live for!	Jan 20 02:08
msb_	I guess they would rather have domination than money.	Jan 20 02:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/msolnik/status/689630870748041216	Jan 20 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@msolnik: @tqbf @chronic @schestowitz fwiw why exploit hexagon (hard) when you have plenty of userland image parsers etc that require much less work.		Jan 20 02:13
msb_	In a certain "nutty crap" video I recommended earlier today, one of the speakers (they're mostly police and firemen) said that the ones behind the eternal wars are _organized_psychopaths_ (just as I've been saying). It's important to _identify_ the entities that are turning our world into Hell. Think about it clearly. They're not jew, reptoids, illuminati -- just the psychopath variant of human beings, which makes them no longer	Jan 20 02:19
msb_	human.	Jan 20 02:19
msb_	The human survival mechanism is to help other people, share knowledge and goods, build on what others have done before.	Jan 20 02:22
msb_	The psychopath survival method is extremely primitive. A cellular automaton program could probably come up with it. It's just "kill everything that isn't me; then nothing can hurt me".	Jan 20 02:23
msb_	I guess more accurately it's, "Control and dominate everything that isn't me, and if it resists, then kill it."	Jan 20 02:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Android the Future of Feature Phones?	Jan 20 02:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mygagma0DJ (uk.pcmag.com)	Jan 20 02:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.pcmag.com \| Motorola i886 (Sprint): Is Android the Future of Feature Phones?		Jan 20 02:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CommOps – Year in Review	Jan 20 02:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RkzZ38381D	Jan 20 02:27
TweetTuxMachines	(communityblog.fedoraproject.org)	Jan 20 02:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian/TeX Live 2015.20160117-1 and biber 2.3-1	Jan 20 02:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zEeIyue1yu (www.preining.info)	Jan 20 02:27
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oiaohm	schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallon history of regional trade bias is old. Yes the reason for the 2 Gallon sizes is so groups exporting UK Gallons to the USA could appear to change same price per Gallon and be ripping the USA people off.	Jan 20 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Gallon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jan 20 02:39
oiaohm	msb_: regional movie release goes back to when making prints movie prints were expensive. Problem here the legal models movie companies have put in place have not moved with the time. It made sense when for some movies there were only 10 prints world wide.	Jan 20 02:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/chronic/status/689642699306209280	Jan 20 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@chronic: @msolnik @tqbf @schestowitz really interesting, and shocking if legit, will check this out!		Jan 20 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines group test: NAS distros https://t.co/CdC6YBz4vs	Jan 20 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxvoice.com)	Jan 20 03:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat plants containers as Jboss EAP 7 bursts	Jan 20 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	into beta https://t.co/V4lokkITgI	Jan 20 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk) https://t.co/RCmk8lN4yO	Jan 20 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.broadcastermagazine.com)	Jan 20 03:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Red Hat plants containers as Jboss EAP 7 bursts into beta • The Register		Jan 20 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.broadcastermagazine.com \| Red Hat JBoss Data Virtualization lets users query multiple databases without merging data \| Broadcaster - Canada's Communications Magazine		Jan 20 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What you need to know about Tizen 2.4 OS	Jan 20 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	upgrade for Samsung Z1 https://t.co/RXNuzRp1eU	Jan 20 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Jan 20 03:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| What you need to know about Tizen 2.4 OS upgrade for Samsung Z1 - Tizen Experts		Jan 20 03:02
schestowitz	cubexyz: https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689643250462892032	Jan 20 03:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz What do you think Redmond's chances are of convincing a FOSS Force visitor to buy a Surface? Let them waste their money.		Jan 20 03:06
schestowitz	me: Would rather not see the ads (I don't see any myself), but others do... and it annoys them, hence my headsup	Jan 20 03:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone Devs Begin Work on All the New	Jan 20 03:08
TweetTuxMachines	Features for the OTA-10 Update	Jan 20 03:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Wyl0lP5Xbl (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 03:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Phone Devs Begin Work on All the New Features for the OTA-10 Update		Jan 20 03:08
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/drsmdg/status/689645351683272705	Jan 20 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drsmdg: I concur... https://t.co/U4xfzOaLEm		Jan 20 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @tqbf Phones are inherently not secure because of the proprietary baseband OS and back doors in the other OS, too		Jan 20 03:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/msolnik/status/689646792997076992	Jan 20 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@msolnik: @chronic @tqbf @schestowitz its legit ;-). The real question is why so many OEMs used a third party (Redbend) binary blob full of strcat...		Jan 20 03:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rygel 0.29.1 Open Source Media Server Adds	Jan 20 03:14
TweetTuxMachines	Support for Lightweight Media Scanner	Jan 20 03:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/uRKuZuzyuo (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 03:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Rygel 0.29.1 Open Source Media Server Adds Support for Lightweight Media Scanner		Jan 20 03:14
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6972432	Jan 20 03:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Calls for boycotting Samsung https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/689529450577301504 I called for it 9 years ago http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Samsung		Jan 20 03:15
schestowitz	"I’d like to see a some specs or a schematic, purely out of curiosity. bet it’s running dedicated Linux, anyway."	Jan 20 03:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@internetofshit: Smart TVs that add advertising to the UI are unacceptable. A reason to boycott Samsung. https://t.co/LXxXtcAuDO		Jan 20 03:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Samsung - Techrights		Jan 20 03:15
schestowitz	Would void warranty though	Jan 20 03:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689648738512539648	Jan 20 03:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz Privately would've been better.		Jan 20 03:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/OVAf5H4FbJ	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 03:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Development https://t.co/XcfrCbzWFm	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 03:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME Development \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/845VdsdmXb	Jan 20 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 03:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat and Fedora \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone Devs Begin Work on All the New	Jan 20 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	Features for the OTA-10 Update	Jan 20 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/AkQKAepmft (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 03:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 7 Truths that Open Source Struggles With	Jan 20 03:35
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oiaohm	http://www.steamregionalprices.com/ Interesting want you come across from time to time.	Jan 20 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.steamregionalprices.com \| Steam All Region Price Checker		Jan 20 03:39
*TweetTuxMachines @00pii retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu Phone Devs Begin Work on All the...'		Jan 20 03:41
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cubexyz	I just think it's foolish to run Microsoft ads on a FOSS site	Jan 20 07:36
cubexyz	I have rules I follow:	Jan 20 07:37
cubexyz	no microsoft ads	Jan 20 07:37
cubexyz	no gambling or betting ads	Jan 20 07:37
cubexyz	no adult ads	Jan 20 07:37
cubexyz	it just wouldn't be appropriate	Jan 20 07:37
cubexyz	sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in, and that's definitely not Microsoft stuff	Jan 20 07:38
cubexyz	I know what Microsoft tries to do... and it's always the same thing	Jan 20 07:46
cubexyz	M$ tax on all computers	Jan 20 07:46
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msb_	Also M$ tries to kill off FOSS. There's more to FOSS than not having the M$ tax. FOSS has freedom. People can do what they want, not _controlled_ by wealthy psychopath corporations.	Jan 20 08:28
msb_	cubexyz: I know that you know that very well! I just thought I'd mention it.	Jan 20 08:29
cubexyz	I can make a radio, or a lamp, or a book shelf	Jan 20 08:34
cubexyz	I can't make a hard drive, or modern motherboard or cpu	Jan 20 08:35
cubexyz	so I have to buy those from corporations, and I'm OK with that	Jan 20 08:35
cubexyz	what I'm not OK with is Microsoft taxing everything computer-related	Jan 20 08:35
cubexyz	Sony did something very interesting with TVs	Jan 20 08:37
cubexyz	they actually made an easy to repair TV	Jan 20 08:37
cubexyz	totally by accident I bought a Sony TV, and found out later it was _fairly_ easy to take it apart	Jan 20 08:38
cubexyz	but Sony is hoarding their spare parts, so sourcing the replacement parts is hard	Jan 20 08:39
cubexyz	but there's a solution to that too... some folks with wave machines are actually doing component level repair	Jan 20 08:40
cubexyz	so even thought you could say Sony is an evil corporation, I just don't think they are in the same class as Microsoft	Jan 20 08:41
cubexyz	and it's a Linux based TV :)	Jan 20 08:44
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msb_	Didn't Sony screw up the PlayStation, which has a very powerful cpu with multiple pipelines, so that people can't root it and put Linux on it?	Jan 20 09:06
cubexyz	depends	Jan 20 09:08
cubexyz	with PS3's if the system software is earlier than version 3.21 you can use it as an open platform	Jan 20 09:09
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cubexyz	on appropriate PS3's people have put Yellow Dog, OpenSUSE, Fedora and Ubuntu on	Jan 20 09:10
cubexyz	assuming there's a way to reflash the PS3 you should be OK	Jan 20 09:11
cubexyz	now there's Linux for Playstation 2's as well	Jan 20 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@OpenStackTpNews Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack	Jan 20 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6j4tO19OfN (gettopical.com) via	Jan 20 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://t.co/IPvmYC6ahi	Jan 20 09:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gettopical.com \| Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack		Jan 20 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OpenStackTpNews: Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack https://t.co/6j4tO19OfN via @tuxmachines https://t.co/IPvmYC6ahi		Jan 20 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma tricks: smart places	Jan 20 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/X9yJA1Aevp (www.alexl.netsons.org)	Jan 20 09:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alexl.netsons.org \| Plasma tricks: smart places – Alex L.		Jan 20 09:12
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_2	Jan 20 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Linux for PlayStation 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ofkc9 ]		Jan 20 09:12
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS	Jan 20 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| OtherOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jan 20 09:15
cubexyz	so yes, Sony isn't being too helpful	Jan 20 09:16
cubexyz	so you want firmware 3.15 or lower	Jan 20 09:16
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6972689	Jan 20 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When #feminism games #art in #games http://www.destructoid.com/anita-sarkeesian-blows-the-pants-off-widespread-censorship-of-butts-335327.phtml http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/strategic-butt-coverings_us_569e71a5e4b04c8137618ee6 http://www.themarysue.com/feminist-frequency-strategic-butt-coverings/ http://gamepolitics.com/tag/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/		Jan 20 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.destructoid.com \| Anita Sarkeesian blows the pants off widespread censorship of butts [ http://ur1.ca/ofkcy ]		Jan 20 09:18
schestowitz	"As much as I hate Sarkeesian’s professional victim thing, I have to agree that the more skimpy clothes on guys, the better."	Jan 20 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.huffingtonpost.com \| Video Games Might Have A Butt Problem [ http://ur1.ca/ofkcz ]		Jan 20 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.themarysue.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/ofkd0 ]		Jan 20 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gamepolitics.com \| Tropes vs Women in Video Games – GamePolitics [ http://ur1.ca/ofkd1 ]		Jan 20 09:18
schestowitz	Most gamers are guys, so I think there's little demand for that	Jan 20 09:18
oiaohm	PS3 caused Sony a financial mess PS4 has been hacked to run Linux.	Jan 20 09:18
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6972613	Jan 20 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Seattle #Privacy Coalition joins other “state-sponsored” attack targets to demand answers from #Twitter https://www.seattleprivacy.org/seattle-privacy-coalition-joins-other-state-sponsored-attack-victims-to-demand-answers-from-twitter/		Jan 20 09:19
schestowitz	"Or Twitter wants to say: the government wants data from us but we let you know that first. :)"	Jan 20 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.seattleprivacy.org/seattle-privacy-coalition-joins-other-state-sponsored-attack-victims-to-demand-answers-from-twitter/ )		Jan 20 09:19
schestowitz	Like they did with Wikileaks	Jan 20 09:19
schestowitz	oiaohm: has did it cause a financial mess?	Jan 20 09:19
schestowitz	oiaohm: was it not profitable overall?	Jan 20 09:19
oiaohm	opps PS2	Jan 20 09:20
msb_	Interesting: PS4 uses an 8-core AMD CPU instead of the Cell.	Jan 20 09:20
oiaohm	schestowitz: early PS2 the systems were being bought for data processing.	Jan 20 09:20
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation#Comparison	Jan 20 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| PlayStation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ofkd7 ]		Jan 20 09:20
oiaohm	http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/01/04/ps4-hack-enables-console-to-run-using-linux-steamos-should-just-work/	Jan 20 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.playstationlifestyle.net \| PS4 Hack Enables Console to Run Using Linux, SteamOS Should "Just Work" [ http://ur1.ca/ofkdc ]		Jan 20 09:22
oiaohm	PS4 video card is even starting to work with the open source AMD drivers.	Jan 20 09:22
oiaohm	schestowitz: of course people buying 100 to 200+ units of PS2 for data processing bought zero games so console being sold under cost hurt.	Jan 20 09:23
oiaohm	msb_: of course msb most likely will not see this. Having too powerful and specialised of a process Sony learnt with PS2 could be a horiblely bad mistake.	Jan 20 09:24
cubexyz	no MMU on playstation 1	Jan 20 09:30
cubexyz	you could put Fedora 8 on PS3	Jan 20 09:33
msb_	It's good to see a corporation making powerful technology available to the public, cheap. Then people somewhere in the world are able to hack it and set it free. "Information wants to be free." Maybe CPUs want to be free too.	Jan 20 09:34
msb_	cubexyz: OK, I agree: Sony are semi-good guys.	Jan 20 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Linux Port Of Darkest Dungeon Is Planned	Jan 20 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/dD3qU1FPlJ (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 20 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkea	Jan 20 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| A Linux Port Of Darkest Dungeon Is Planned - Phoronix		Jan 20 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Initiative approves Quebec licence	Jan 20 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8cCXN5KLKq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkeb	Jan 20 09:37
cubexyz	at least Sony is better than Microsoft	Jan 20 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Initiative approves Quebec licence \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 09:37
cubexyz	japanese companies do use Linux, obvious example is Sharp and the zaurus	Jan 20 09:38
msb_	We are the new little mammals, who are finding that dinosaur eggs are very delicious and nourishing.	Jan 20 09:49
cubexyz	Sharp later on went to the dark side... they discontinued the Zaurus in 2007 and started building windows mobile devices	Jan 20 09:52
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/689759589403881472	Jan 20 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: How to strengthen your passwords: Eek! 'Star Wars' is now one of the most popular passwords https://t.co/kdyTD6pT64 ICYMI @schestowitz		Jan 20 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.co.uk \| 'Star Wars' is now one of the most popular passwords - BBC Newsbeat		Jan 20 10:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/689760326989012992	Jan 20 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @BBCNewsbeat They also advertised the GCHQ Christmas quiz rather greatly. Perhaps GCHQ have access to update the site.		Jan 20 10:46
schestowitz	Both serving power, domination	Jan 20 10:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source offline map tool	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/je5jACvIQe (opensource.com)	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	@lemberg_co_uk "mAppWidget is available to anyone in need of a	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	mobile custom offline map solution."	Jan 20 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Creating custom offline maps for Android gets a little easier \| Opensource.com		Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkk7	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Is Getting	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS By the End of January	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/DO7ijCOKma (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkk8	Jan 20 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Is Getting Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS by the End of January		Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Snappy Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Let You Build	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel Snaps via Snapcraft, Says Mark	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	Shuttleworth https://t.co/9kdYpALPAF	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkk9	Jan 20 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Snappy Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Let You Build Kernel Snaps via Snapcraft, Says Mark Shuttleworth		Jan 20 10:47
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Snappy Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Let You Build...'		Jan 20 10:47
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Is Getting Linux...'		Jan 20 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines $65 hacker board runs 64-bit Linux on quad-core	Jan 20 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	Atom https://t.co/avXRocqx23 (linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 20 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkkv	Jan 20 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| $65 hacker board runs 64-bit Linux on quad-core Atom · LinuxGizmos.com		Jan 20 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Help get good looking FPS 'Squad' on Linux	Jan 20 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OflyicCrsW (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 20 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkky	Jan 20 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Help get good looking FPS 'Squad' on Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 20 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines That Dragon, Cancer is now doing a Linux	Jan 20 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	release on Steam https://t.co/aSnmoffRFc	Jan 20 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 20 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkl2	Jan 20 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| That Dragon, Cancer is now doing a Linux release on Steam \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 20 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Right now, approximately 15,000 employees of	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	the Munich City Council are using Linux"	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/E4OrjJoot2 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkm9	Jan 20 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| German City That Replaced Windows with Linux to Ditch Last Windows XP/2000 PCs		Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 6 non-code contributions you can make to open	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	source https://t.co/7vNnjLjP3P	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkma	Jan 20 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 6 non-code contributions you can make to open source \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Is Getting	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS By the End of January	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oLNQA71NYf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkmb	Jan 20 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Is Getting Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS By the End of January \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The state of container security	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/H5JDFqnp8v (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkmc	Jan 20 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The state of container security \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Vulnerability and Trojan Causing	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	Headaches https://t.co/bCIWOhJ7qT	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkme	Jan 20 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Vulnerability and Trojan Causing Headaches \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines German City That Replaced Windows with Linux to	Jan 20 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	Ditch Last Windows XP/2000 PCs	Jan 20 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sVD5ZInpAi (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkq3	Jan 20 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| German City That Replaced Windows with Linux to Ditch Last Windows XP/2000 PCs \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 12:05
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Is Getting Linux...'		Jan 20 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft’s Campaign to Force Everyone to Use	Jan 20 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	Vista 10 Should Drive/Motivate Immediate Escape	Jan 20 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	to GNU/Linux https://t.co/89QjoXNa6A	Jan 20 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 20 13:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkya	Jan 20 13:41
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Microsoft’s Campaign to Force Everyone to Use Vista...'		Jan 20 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft’s Campaign to Force Everyone to Use Vista 10 Should Drive/Motivate Immediate Escape to GNU/Linux \| Techrights		Jan 20 13:41
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schestowitz	>>> My bro,	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > > Here it goes:	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > > upc-epo-corporate-overlords	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > > Cheers	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > > Eduardo	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> > Excellent, than k you.	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> > I've noticed that many EPO staff and former staff reads my non-EPO	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> > articles and take these seriously, even in some online forums. It means	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> > the site influences the right people these days, regarding patent policy...	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	> That´s good to know. I hope Europe can derail the UPC on time && get rid of	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	> this tyrant.	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	Getting rid of the tyrant will be easier than getting rid of software patents or the UPC	Jan 20 14:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Linux, Graphics	Jan 20 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/h8NX6aMgtQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oflwk	Jan 20 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Linux, Graphics \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE) Coverage	Jan 20 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4D0ouy3s21 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/oflwl	Jan 20 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE) Coverage \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MAC address scrambling coming to Linux	Jan 20 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XTyaOZAueJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 18:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/deCespedes/status/689839892587745281	Jan 20 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deCespedes: @schestowitz Something very rotten in Berlin surrounding these allegations, I would be leary, IMHO.		Jan 20 19:58
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schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/time-for-harmonised-grace-period-says.html?showComment=1453291008698#c218192606989289922	Jan 20 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: Time for a harmonised grace period, says FICPI		Jan 20 20:19
schestowitz	I would have thought that there are more pressing reforms to the patent system which could be introduced to address the "asymmetry". How about having an annuity system which kicks in only after the patent is granted? An SME or inventor/applicant typically has to pay thousands in renewal fees before they know whether their invention is patentable or not whereas a large company can spread the costs across its portfolio. Another area of	Jan 20 20:19
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schestowitz	concern might be the strict added subject matter / right to priority test implemented at the EPO which could be considered to unfairly penalise those not overly familiar with the system. "	Jan 20 20:19
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 20:19
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schestowitz	patent lawyer:	Jan 20 20:32
schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/breaking-news-from-epo-suepo-officials.html?showComment=1453312810570#c806909323242927713	Jan 20 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: Breaking News from the EPO - SUEPO officials fired, downgraded		Jan 20 20:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 20:32
schestowitz	The SI represents a somewhat interesting approach to conforming to International and EU obligations, as I have commented at "UK decides on Brexit from EPC and EU".	Jan 20 20:32
schestowitz	In particular, sections 2(3)/(4) of the SI firstly amend section 60 of the Patents Act 1977 to exempt certain matters from infringement, and then disapply one of those exemptions from national patents. The effect is that a national patent will have a broader scope than a European patent (see also page 1 of impact assessment). This is clearly in breach of Article 64 EPC.	Jan 20 20:32
schestowitz	The powers given by the Intellectual Property Act 2014, to amend primary legislation through use of secondary legislation, are somewhat unusual, and such powers should be used cautiously, and not in a manner to bring the UK into breach of a treaty that they have held to since 1978, and which is at the heart of both the UPC and Unitary Patent.	Jan 20 20:32
schestowitz	Hopefully, if the SI is passed, a correction will follow promptly to ensure compliance with the EPC.	Jan 20 20:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 20:32
schestowitz	UPC a mess	Jan 20 20:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/689827664824242176	Jan 20 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @9_ties network over HDMI should be possible no? Too bad you have not connected the serial port for some ser2net offband rescue.		Jan 20 20:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence Desktop Mode	Jan 20 21:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/BGf5dEqVc1 (www.starryhope.com)	Jan 20 21:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmlb	Jan 20 21:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.starryhope.com \| Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence Desktop Mode		Jan 20 21:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Don't Panic About Recent Zero-Day Linux Kernel	Jan 20 21:16
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerability, It's Not That Bad	Jan 20 21:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/GXiAChP8dv (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 21:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RemixOS Now Respects Both #GPL and #Apache	Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	Licenses https://t.co/762aIrbGGk	Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) https://t.co/ZbZkCNnjpe	Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	(ostatic.com)	Jan 20 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Remix OS Now Respects Both GPL and Apache Licenses		Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmnw	Jan 20 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| With Remix OS, Run Android Apps on Your PC		Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Don't Panic About Recent Zero-Day Linux Kernel	Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerability, It's Not That Bad	Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/gAfqovfdYV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmnx	Jan 20 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Don't Panic About Recent Zero-Day Linux Kernel Vulnerability, It's Not That Bad \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remix OS Now Respects Both GPL and Apache	Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	Licenses https://t.co/JiiQT5yK1Q	Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 21:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmny	Jan 20 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Remix OS Now Respects Both GPL and Apache Licenses \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 21:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/689923901388935168 https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/689924114103025664	Jan 20 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Disowning #homophobia is awesome, but can't fully endorse until he disowns #javascript ;-)		Jan 20 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: Отлично! Вот на это я пересяду! - Хромиум, вычищенный от всех гугловских шпионящих закладок. Всех. Бех исключений. https://t.co/fhadgGDydX		Jan 20 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: New open-source ad-blocking web browser emerges from brain of ex-Mozilla boss https://t.co/YgpqVtaj9F @BrendanEich fights for justice again		Jan 20 21:42
schestowitz	It did some good before bad people misused it	Jan 20 21:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/689926287859785729	Jan 20 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz It's just not good. :)		Jan 20 21:44
schestowitz	was needed back in the days	Jan 20 21:44
XRevan86	> Chromium	Jan 20 21:44
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689930491487719424	Jan 20 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Keeping Internet free an ongoing battle: 'Anti-Piracy' Site Blocking Used Against Video Game Developer" https://t.co/cfXZtJpLV7 @schestowitz		Jan 20 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| Portuguese 'Anti-Piracy' Site Blocking Used Against US Video Game Developer \| Techdirt		Jan 20 22:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence Desktop Mode	Jan 20 22:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence Desktop Mode \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 22:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New open-source ad-blocking web browser emerges	Jan 20 22:12
TweetTuxMachines	from brain of ex-Mozilla boss Eich	Jan 20 22:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/v3yLHALEga (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 22:12
schestowitz	BrendanEich: "Could you kindly not speak for me or my beliefs? I appreciate your support but (a) you're presuming without knowing; (b) it wouldn't help with the the neo-maoists on the net anyway"	Jan 20 22:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmt4	Jan 20 22:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New open-source ad-blocking web browser emerges from brain of ex-Mozilla boss Eich \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 22:12
schestowitz	Sure, I understand and will refrain from doing so again	Jan 20 22:12
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6974200	Jan 20 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To #Backdoor #Encryption As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To Backdoor Encryption can bribe for it		Jan 20 22:23
MinceR	https://archive.is/jgLc6	Jan 20 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is \| For fsck's SAKKE: GCHQ-built phone voice encryption has massive backdoor – researcher • The Register		Jan 20 22:31
schestowitz	seen it	Jan 20 22:35
schestowitz	it was probablty the first decent article about this eubject	Jan 20 22:35
schestowitz	see what my tax money is doing?	Jan 20 22:35
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MinceR	yeah	Jan 20 22:39
MinceR	these "national security" institutions are so great for national security	Jan 20 22:39
MinceR	developing all the useless broken shit that breaks the taxpayers' security and privacy they could ever want	Jan 20 22:39
oiaohm	MinceR: to be correct not even good for national security because there have been many documented government breaches into the USA caused by NSA developing useless broken shit and the other government departments believing its secure story for the public.	Jan 20 22:49
MinceR	well, obviously compromising taxpayers' infrastructure is not good for national security	Jan 20 22:50
oiaohm	MinceR: worse the comprised government departments leaks the sections of the NSA own files.	Jan 20 22:51
oiaohm	So its absolutely no good for anyone.	Jan 20 22:51
MinceR	lol	Jan 20 22:51
MinceR	http://devpost.com/software/trumpscript	Jan 20 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-devpost.com \| TrumpScript \| Devpost		Jan 20 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 20/1/2016: Brave Software's New Browser,	Jan 20 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	GitHub Under Fire https://t.co/FZoeMPu0kV	Jan 20 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 20 22:58
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'RemixOS Now Respects Both #GPL and #Apache Licenses...'		Jan 20 22:58
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Don't Panic About Recent Zero-Day Linux Kernel Vulnerability,...'		Jan 20 22:58
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Don't Panic About Recent Zero-Day Linux Kernel Vulnerability,...'		Jan 20 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 20/1/2016: Brave Software’s New Browser, GitHub Under Fire \| Techrights		Jan 20 22:58
oiaohm	MinceR: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2015/12/15/how-the-nsa-tried-to-build-safe-encryption-but-failed/ Nice well written write up. On historic attempts at building in backdoors into encryption.	Jan 20 23:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| A key under the doormat isn’t safe. Neither is an encryption backdoor. - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/ofmwd ]		Jan 20 23:01
oiaohm	Every backdoor attempt in encryption has resulted in disaster sooner or latter.	Jan 20 23:01
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Remix OS Now Respects Both GPL and Apache...'		Jan 20 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Phones Will Get a New Music App with	Jan 20 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	Lots of Features After the OTA-9 Update	Jan 20 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XM9l2jgNMM (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 23:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Phones Will Get a New Music App with Lots of Features After the OTA-9 Update		Jan 20 23:09
schestowitz	oiaohm: spy agents now assume theere are holes	Jan 20 23:10
schestowitz	whether in chinese or russia algos	Jan 20 23:11
schestowitz	so their task is just to look for these of backward-engineer these	Jan 20 23:11
schestowitz	like in ENIGMA, excerpt I don't think ENIGMA had any intention back door the Germans knew about	Jan 20 23:11
schestowitz	the key itself was 'the door'	Jan 20 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 20/1/2016: Brave Software's New Browser,	Jan 20 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by GitHub Under Fire https://t.co/FZoeMPu0kV	Jan 20 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Jan 20 23:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/FheccLV07S	Jan 20 23:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/ECHbBCo4nT	Jan 20 23:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/J7GnagG53Z	Jan 21 01:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 01:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Security Scares https://t.co/Vw9Oo9lNWk	Jan 21 01:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Security Scares \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 01:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ExTiX 16.1 OS Is Based on Ubuntu 15.10, Ships	Jan 21 01:09
TweetTuxMachines	with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS and LXQt 0.10.0	Jan 21 01:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VNFwaHIopz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 01:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| ExTiX 16.1 OS Is Based on Ubuntu 15.10, Ships with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS and LXQt 0.10.0 \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 01:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation quietly drops community	Jan 21 01:12
TweetTuxMachines	representation https://t.co/RBAArq0ada	Jan 21 01:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 01:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation quietly drops community representation \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 01:12
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6973404	Jan 21 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #MACaddress scrambling coming to #Linux https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/01/20/mac-address-scrambling-coming-to-linux/ can aid #privacy		Jan 21 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> nakedsecurity.sophos.com \| MAC address scrambling coming to Linux – Naked Security		Jan 21 01:58
schestowitz	"If you trust your Management Engine compliant ethernet card to do as the OS says and if you don’t have a PRISM OS, this might do some good. Isn’t 2008 about when Apple joined PRISM?"	Jan 21 01:59
schestowitz	no, 2013	Jan 21 01:59
schestowitz	no, 2013 or 2012	Jan 21 01:59
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6973279	Jan 21 02:00
schestowitz	"Heh, 10 years after the release of Vista, they are still trying to kill XP. They can’t because they made XP so propitiatory that billions of dollars in equipment still have IE6 quirks. They might have managed to get immediate hardware flunkies to screw their users. These are the same manufacturers who put all of Vista’s insane, power hogging, and performance destroying, “trip bits” and bus encryption into their hardware to begin	Jan 21 02:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft ’s Campaign to Force Everyone to Use #Vista10 Should Drive/Motivate Immediate Escape to GNU/Linux http://techrights.org/2016/01/20/escaping-microsoft-malware/		Jan 21 02:00
schestowitz	with. Medical equipment makers are reeling. They have barely started rolling out Windows 7 crap. I’ve got a $3.5 million piece of equipment that still depends on IE6. It would be nice for that vendor to get off Windows, but some combination of Gates ownership and Microsoft politics will probably keep them there forever."	Jan 21 02:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft’s Campaign to Force Everyone to Use Vista 10 Should Drive/Motivate Immediate Escape to GNU/Linux \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ofnfw ]		Jan 21 02:00
schestowitz	I heard of major scanners that dumped XP for Linux	Jan 21 02:00
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'ExTiX 16.1 OS Is Based on Ubuntu 15.10,...'		Jan 21 02:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Control Center Gains Better Bluetooth,	Jan 21 02:56
TweetTuxMachines	Network, and Wacom Support	Jan 21 02:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/iWWlRjMYkT (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 02:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GNOME Control Center Gains Better Bluetooth, Network, and Wacom Support		Jan 21 02:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ExTiX 16.1 OS Is Based on Ubuntu 15.10, Ships	Jan 21 02:56
TweetTuxMachines	with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS and LXQt 0.10.0	Jan 21 02:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HcRctIINaL (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 02:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofnlo	Jan 21 02:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| ExTiX 16.1 OS Is Based on Ubuntu 15.10, Ships with Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS and LXQt 0.10.0		Jan 21 02:56
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cubexyz	I've seen NASA computer screens with motif	Jan 21 07:34
cubexyz	nice to know the whole world isn't on windows	Jan 21 07:35
oiaohm	schestowitz: problem here just because they move to Linux does not mean they will improve their updating policy.	Jan 21 07:38
oiaohm	Secuirty hole central can happen with devices running like 20 year old Linux with zero updates.	Jan 21 07:38
oiaohm	Found that in a security camera set up.	Jan 21 07:39
cubexyz	I don't know anyone who runs 20 year old Linux, outside of classic computing	Jan 21 07:39
cubexyz	that's before redhat 5.2	Jan 21 07:40
oiaohm	cubexyz: gets more fun. Internet connected security camera setup requiring ie5 and active-x for remote access.	Jan 21 07:40
oiaohm	Yes this device was vomit centeral.	Jan 21 07:41
cubexyz	and if your computer is really old, it's actually more secure	Jan 21 07:41
oiaohm	OS was customised Linux from all the way back then.	Jan 21 07:41
cubexyz	that's why the nukes still use PDP-11 tech	Jan 21 07:41
oiaohm	cubexyz: not this case.	Jan 21 07:41
cubexyz	really old as in pre-TCP/IP old	Jan 21 07:42
cubexyz	even a win95 box could be fairly secure without a network card and no TCP/IP	Jan 21 07:43
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/185027-the-vacuum-tube-strikes-back-nasas-tiny-460ghz-vacuum-transistor-that-could-one-day-replace-silicon-fets	Jan 21 07:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.extremetech.com \| The vacuum tube strikes back: NASA’s tiny 460GHz vacuum transistor that could one day replace silicon FETs \| ExtremeTech		Jan 21 07:43
oiaohm	I don't know exactly why we would need 100Ghz + computer that 460GHz transistor allows but we will find something.	Jan 21 07:45
cubexyz	extreme tech is extreme crap	Jan 21 07:45
cubexyz	meaning the site design	Jan 21 07:45
cubexyz	dillo to the rescue for this one	Jan 21 07:46
oiaohm	Mind you they have good writers they are totally let down by poor site design.	Jan 21 07:47
cubexyz	I always thought that Sci-Am was well written	Jan 21 07:50
oiaohm	http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/devices/introducing-the-vacuum-transistor-a-device-made-of-nothing	Jan 21 07:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spectrum.ieee.org \| Introducing the Vacuum Transistor: A Device Made of Nothing - IEEE Spectrum [ http://ur1.ca/ofoh1 ]		Jan 21 07:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: you might like that one better.	Jan 21 07:50
cubexyz	oiaohm, extreme tech gave me a blank screen (probably because of noscript) and 100% cpu use	Jan 21 07:52
oiaohm	I run no script cubexyz	Jan 21 07:52
oiaohm	so it was not noscript.	Jan 21 07:52
cubexyz	ok, odd	Jan 21 07:53
cubexyz	I just tried firefox again, no blank screen this time	Jan 21 07:53
cubexyz	but 100% cpu still	Jan 21 07:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: wait sorry I had allowed www.extremetech.com only.	Jan 21 07:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: without that allowed it blank.	Jan 21 07:54
cubexyz	pretty poor in any case	Jan 21 07:55
oiaohm	spectrum will work without allowing anything.	Jan 21 07:55
cubexyz	I'll just go straight to dillo for these types of URLs	Jan 21 07:55
cubexyz	I would expect spectrum.ieee.org not to be glutted with tons of ads	Jan 21 07:56
oiaohm	Basically we have gone around in a huge circle.	Jan 21 07:57
cubexyz	oiaohm, I can remember when local hardware stores had tube testers for TVs	Jan 21 07:58
oiaohm	It makes me wonder how faster todays computers would be if we had just scaled down the valve instead of going to silicon doping transistors.	Jan 21 07:58
cubexyz	oiaohm, everything had to go to semiconductors	Jan 21 07:59
cubexyz	tubes/values just used way too much power	Jan 21 08:00
cubexyz	MIT Whirlwind used 1 megawatt	Jan 21 08:00
oiaohm	The modern vacuum transistor is still semiconductor scale.	Jan 21 08:05
cubexyz	I don't think it's beyond the proof of concept stage	Jan 21 08:06
cubexyz	one thing we know about transistor based computers... they are pretty durable	Jan 21 08:10
cubexyz	it was a huge improvement over the vacuum tube based stuff	Jan 21 08:11
cubexyz	http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-dmca-rulemaking-is-an-unsustainable-garbage-train?trk_source=recommended	Jan 21 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com \| Why DMCA Rulemaking Is an Unsustainable Garbage Train \| Motherboard		Jan 21 08:14
cubexyz	also ENIAC had 20,000 tubes with each tube having a lifetime of about 2 years	Jan 21 08:14
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://euronanoforum2015.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ENF15_Submit.pdf	Jan 21 08:18
oiaohm	scaling down the vacuum tube gets away from requiring heating and even more shocking even the requirement to have a vacuum.	Jan 21 08:18
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically for some reason we made transistors small scale and never bothered until now to make vacuum tube design small.	Jan 21 08:19
cubexyz	I thought we were going to start printing CPUs :)	Jan 21 08:20
oiaohm	It funny the reason why the old ENIAC valves only lasted 2 years was heating.	Jan 21 08:21
oiaohm	When scaled down to silicon levels no need for heating so massively lifespan extend to vacuum tube designs.	Jan 21 08:22
cubexyz	"Vacuum electronics _may be_ back to the future"	Jan 21 08:22
cubexyz	meaning it's still on the drawing board	Jan 21 08:22
oiaohm	Not exactly on the drawing board 100 percent. High freq radio detection systems need the speeds vacuum transistors can do and nothing else can at the moment.	Jan 21 08:23
cubexyz	also babbages computer wouldn't have overheated either	Jan 21 08:24
cubexyz	not sure how programmable it was though	Jan 21 08:24
cubexyz	I'm guessing not very	Jan 21 08:24
cubexyz	it did have punched cards I think	Jan 21 08:25
cubexyz	Analytical Engine was using Jacquard loom tech	Jan 21 08:26
cubexyz	I think the current tech is better than anything else at the moment	Jan 21 08:28
cubexyz	the big drawback I see now is lack of understanding of computers, inability to repair anything or even source parts	Jan 21 08:32
cubexyz	in my Dad's time he never really dealt with computers much at all	Jan 21 08:34
cubexyz	his world was largely a mechanical world	Jan 21 08:34
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oiaohm	cubexyz: if you look around people have considered nano scaling babbege style computers. Problem is the same issues. Insanely low tolerances so anything getting in the works will screw it results up.	Jan 21 09:04
oiaohm	Out of all the old computer techs the vacuum tubes look like the best to down scale.	Jan 21 09:05
oiaohm	Its not like vacuum tubes had to be close to perfect to work.	Jan 21 09:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines File Roller Open Source Archive Manager Now	Jan 21 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	Supports Ubuntu's Click Packages	Jan 21 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pwv8UtmZm4 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 09:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam Now Offers Over 1,800 Games to Linux	Jan 21 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	Users, but Usage Remains Under 1%	Jan 21 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/d4h3QiRHnN (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 09:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Steam Now Offers Over 1,800 Games to Linux Users, but Usage Remains Under 1%		Jan 21 09:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation shows it backs corporates,	Jan 21 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	not community https://t.co/sPiQaUqLhi	Jan 21 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itwire.com) glad someone said it	Jan 21 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/lerlRyQcJw (ostatic.com)	Jan 21 09:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com \| iTWire - Linux Foundation shows it backs corporates, not community		Jan 21 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| Garrett: Linux Foundation Says Let Them Eat Cake		Jan 21 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Delvv Launches Defumblr Smart Lock Screen for	Jan 21 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	Android https://t.co/0le55nKlmQ	Jan 21 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.adweek.com)	Jan 21 09:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.adweek.com \| Delvv Launches Defumblr Smart Lock Screen for Android \| SocialTimes		Jan 21 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why it's so hard to find good Android tablet	Jan 21 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	apps https://t.co/0O1o8IZh2Y (www.cio.com)	Jan 21 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	"most of them were games."	Jan 21 09:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cio.com \| Why it's so hard to find good Android tablet apps \| CIO		Jan 21 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Marshmallow vs. iOS 9: The Biggest &	Jan 21 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	Best Compared	Jan 21 09:35
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofors	Jan 21 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.knowyourmobile.com \| Android Marshmallow vs. iOS 9: The Biggest & Best Compared \| Know Your Mobile		Jan 21 09:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'File Roller Open Source Archive Manager Now Supports...'		Jan 21 09:39
schestowitz	> one more:	Jan 21 09:45
schestowitz	> ==	Jan 21 09:45
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 09:45
schestowitz	> "hosted by Jose Miguel Parrella, a Debian Developer and member of	Jan 21 09:45
schestowitz	> Microsoft’s Open Source Strategy team."	Jan 21 09:45
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 09:45
schestowitz	> http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debian-8-linuxfest/	Jan 21 09:45
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 09:45
schestowitz	> There's at least one M$ staff inside Debian	Jan 21 09:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openness.microsoft.com \| Join the Microsoft Openness team to celebrate Debian 8 at LinuxFest Northwest \| Microsoft Openness Blog		Jan 21 09:45
cubexyz	that's a bit scary	Jan 21 09:45
cubexyz	he's getting the appropriate flack:	Jan 21 09:50
cubexyz	"Embrace Extend Extinguish"	Jan 21 09:50
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Steam Now Offers Over 1,800 Games to Linux...'		Jan 21 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Poker Face? Red Hat plays 'de facto standard'	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	card for enterprise Java apps	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/DTMW6j5OqU	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerweekly.com)	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofotn	Jan 21 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerweekly.com \| Poker Face? Red Hat plays 'de facto standard' card for enterprise Java apps - Open Source Insider		Jan 21 09:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sw1ayfe/status/690110505495740416	Jan 21 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sw1ayfe: @schestowitz techrights or your home page?		Jan 21 09:57
schestowitz	front page	Jan 21 09:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sw1ayfe/status/690112505176309760	Jan 21 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sw1ayfe: ha the front page of techrights?		Jan 21 10:07
schestowitz	Yes, not useful to returning visitors, apparently	Jan 21 10:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/EsRevorTeR/status/690113622610173952	Jan 21 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EsRevorTeR: @DavidAllenGreen @schestowitz on topic - same for nitrous oxide in netherlands go figure...		Jan 21 10:21
schestowitz	> x	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	> https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=rush+limbaugh+talking+up+apple+products	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 10:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.startpage.com \| rush limbaugh talking up apple products - Startpage Web Search [ http://ur1.ca/ofoxt ]		Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	> not worth posting, just FYI about where some of the Apple boosting is from	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	> -	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	> old	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	> https://theweek.com/articles/461417/rush-limbaugh-republicans-are-apple-democrats-are-android	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	I never noticed this, but it sounds familiar.	Jan 21 10:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theweek.com \| Rush Limbaugh: Republicans are Apple, Democrats are Android [ http://ur1.ca/ofoxu ]		Jan 21 10:33
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/tekcurmudgeon/status/690127270372073476	Jan 21 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tekcurmudgeon: @schestowitz https://t.co/RBdSSSoE0b		Jan 21 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tekcurmudgeon.livejournal.com \| Let's Cut Micorosoft A Little Slack! - tekcurmudgeon		Jan 21 11:04
schestowitz	Google is not an excuse. Comparing two bad actors does not serve to legitimise neither. We need to support GNU/Linux.	Jan 21 11:04
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6974508	Jan 21 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #indonesia is burning its land, polluting the world so that few super-rich people will profit https://www.vice.com/read/whats-being-done-to-stop-palm-oil-plantations-from-destroying-indonesias-rainforests http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-19/oil-rout-threatens-to-scupper-demand-for-palm-oil-in-biodiesel		Jan 21 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.vice.com \| What's Being Done to Stop Palm Oil Plantations from Destroying Indonesia's Rainforests? \| VICE \| United States [ http://ur1.ca/ofp0z ]		Jan 21 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bloomberg.com \| Oil Rout Threatens to Scupper Demand for Palm Oil in Biofuel - Bloomberg Business [ http://ur1.ca/ofp10 ]		Jan 21 11:09
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6974200	Jan 21 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To #Backdoor #Encryption As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To Backdoor Encryption can bribe for it		Jan 21 11:09
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6975102	Jan 21 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: “journey through India and Nepal, with the aim of learning about needs of Debian derivatives” http://dr.jones.dk//blends/it-at-school/ http://dr.jones.dk//blends/india2015/		Jan 21 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> dr.jones.dk \| IT@school		Jan 21 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> dr.jones.dk \| India 2015		Jan 21 11:10
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schestowitz	>>>>> https://brave.com/#about	Jan 21 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-brave.com \| Brave Software \| Building a Better Web		Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> https://brave.com/#faster	Jan 21 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-brave.com \| Brave Software \| Building a Better Web		Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop	Jan 21 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| brave/browser-laptop: Brave browser for Desktop and Laptop computers running Windows, OSX, and Linux		Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>>	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> Licensed under MPL according to source code, but missing a traditional	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> LICENSE or COPYING file. Not all source files contain licensing info.	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>> >>>	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>> >>> Maybe not yet camera-ready. I chatted with Brendan yesterday, should I	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>> >>> pass this feedback to him?	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> It would be nice to have the i's dotted and the t's crossed. Not all	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> the files have copyright attribution so without a blanket license for	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> the whole project, they are not FOSS. But I only checked the	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> 'browser-laptop' code, if it's elsewhere, then the license should be	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> copied to each subproject so that it is guaranteed to contain licensing	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> information.	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>> > I've just told Brendan.	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	> Thanks. I only just now found what might be the contact info. I hope	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	> the browser is a good one. I guess we'll see soon.	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	it's an overcrowded space already, even if you're using FOSS as a selling point. I guess offering no ads as a selling point is a new one...	Jan 21 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Game: Teen Patti Live for Samsung Z1 and Z3	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	Available in Tizen Store	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/2D3BoS6g4R (www.tizenexperts.com)	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofp4v	Jan 21 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| Game: Teen Patti Live for Samsung Z1 and Z3 Available in Tizen Store - Tizen Experts		Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines File Roller Open Source Archive Manager Now	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	Supports Ubuntu's Click Packages	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ln2HBBugeQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofp4w	Jan 21 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| File Roller Open Source Archive Manager Now Supports Ubuntu's Click Packages \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 11:52
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 11:55
schestowitz	Please don't post with Brendan's name visible should you publish this. It's more an FYI.	Jan 21 11:55
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Jan 21 11:55
schestowitz	I guess they will shut down the individual membership program altogether. Let's wait.	Jan 21 11:55
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 11:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to improve tech skills while contributing	Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	to open source projects https://t.co/ChdSvPSEu1	Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofp68	Jan 21 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to improve tech skills while contributing to open source projects \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall	Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes	Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/uguwIaPJ7I (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofp69	Jan 21 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall	Jan 21 12:06
TweetTuxMachines	OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes	Jan 21 12:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Scd05JStgT (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 12:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofp6a	Jan 21 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes		Jan 21 12:06
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS...'		Jan 21 12:06
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS...'		Jan 21 13:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a	Jan 21 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence	Jan 21 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	Included https://t.co/1flaGjFWc5	Jan 21 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 21 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofpdx	Jan 21 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included \| Techrights		Jan 21 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Jan 21 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/MQrxjFmOLs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofpdz	Jan 21 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today and Yesterday in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 13:30
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate...'		Jan 21 13:30
*TweetTuxMachines @TechJournalist favourited 'The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate...'		Jan 21 13:38
*TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate...'		Jan 21 13:38
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today and Yesterday in Techrights https://t.co/MQrxjFmOLs'		Jan 21 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/UVpBpwwyRY	Jan 21 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofphr	Jan 21 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/4OLFHtT61S	Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofpi3	Jan 21 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/lbjYNkPTRi	Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofpi5	Jan 21 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/aArnCFPcEn (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofpi6	Jan 21 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today and Yesterday in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:11
msb_	British report says Putin "probably" ordered the murder of Litvinenko, using polonium-210. MPs demand sanctions against Russia.	Jan 21 14:19
msb_	There are so many undetectable ways to kill someone, why would Russians use one that pointed to a nation with a nuclear programme?	Jan 21 14:20
msb_	More likely the CIA killed him that way for that very reason.	Jan 21 14:21
schestowitz	nonsense	Jan 21 14:41
schestowitz	cui bono?	Jan 21 14:41
schestowitz	and you haven't, as far as I knew, yielded any potent evidence for this	Jan 21 14:42
schestowitz	that's like saying Oswald worked for Castro	Jan 21 14:42
schestowitz	the cost analysis suggests Russia had the motivation to kill Litvinenko	Jan 21 14:42
schestowitz	And barring any evidence to implicate those who benefited from Litvinenko's knowledge, it's a weak if not laughable argument	Jan 21 14:43
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today and Yesterday in Techrights https://t.co/aArnCFPcEn'		Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enhanced BeagleBone SBC has 1GB RAM, GbE,	Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	sensors https://t.co/fSKTeK0Nvi	Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofpls	Jan 21 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Enhanced BeagleBone SBC has 1GB RAM, GbE, sensors · LinuxGizmos.com		Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Other Linux Expos Can Learn a Thing or Two From	Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	SCALE https://t.co/VQFjGpgSdH (fossforce.com)	Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofplt	Jan 21 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Other Linux Expos Can Learn a Thing or Two From SCALE \| FOSS Force		Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kwort 4.3.1 released https://t.co/HoZEz0HHSd	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	(kwort.org)	Jan 21 15:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kwort.org \| Kwort Linux \| HomePage		Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	News For Linux And Open Source?	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/rgVJ6OhdMb (fossbytes.com)	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1flaGjFWc5 (techrights.org)	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofpoi	Jan 21 15:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossbytes.com \| Why Is Linux Foundation's Latest Change A Bad News For Linux And Open Source?		Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam On Linux Hits 1,800 Games Available	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XdzqTV0Btt (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofpoj	Jan 21 15:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included \| Techrights		Jan 21 15:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Steam On Linux Hits 1,800 Games Available - Phoronix		Jan 21 15:00
msb_	schestowitz: Every false-flag operation relies on people suspecting the obvious perpetrator. Cui bono. Occam's Razor. But we know there are false-flag operations. The Reichstag fire. Operation Northwoods. Various attacks by Gladio. Why would Russia use a murder method that points directly to them?	Jan 21 15:06
msb_	...When they could have used any number of methods that _didn't_ point to a nuclear power. Even if you think the Russians are evil, they're not stupid.	Jan 21 15:08
schestowitz	they're not stupid, that's why they'd want to kill Litvinenko	Jan 21 15:11
schestowitz	Even with blowback and public backlash taken into account	Jan 21 15:11
msb_	Suppose they did want to kill him. Why wouldn't they use an undetectable poison, or fake a robbery, or do a drive-by shooting? Any method that wouldn't point to Russia's nuclear capability.	Jan 21 15:20
MinceR	they were stupid enough to destroy their own economy	Jan 21 15:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/690203435006836736	Jan 21 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Because Kernel != RedHat != Distributions? And you still have to show that systemd is desktop only		Jan 21 16:08
schestowitz	just excuses now...	Jan 21 16:08
MinceR	that's what it always was	Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Team Fortress 2 Update Brings More Balancing	Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements https://t.co/sc3oYKg70V	Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofpzv	Jan 21 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Team Fortress 2 Update Brings More Balancing Improvements		Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU/FSF https://t.co/yElN5SU459	Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofpzw	Jan 21 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU/FSF \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 16:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/elbekgt/status/690205135369289728	Jan 21 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@elbekgt: #stuxnet, el virus para Windows creado por varias agencias gubernamentales de inteligencia https://t.co/RZp2V9A0uX		Jan 21 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Back doors cannot be built which only one side (the Good Guys) can exploit. See how #stuxnet went out of control https://t.co/R8IjlH2x20		Jan 21 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Under Fire	Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/g4zwPwR8Ol (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofq0p	Jan 21 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation Under Fire \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenStack Conference https://t.co/QzOuLRLJyh	Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofq0q	Jan 21 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenStack Conference \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE Coverage https://t.co/UMhZTwqH2r	Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 16:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SCALE Coverage \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today on Brave Browser https://t.co/eqLs1TqP7c	Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofq0s	Jan 21 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today on Brave Browser \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 16:14
msb_	The Russians did not destroy their own economy. It was done by Boris Yeltsin, working with the US "Chicago School" of capitalist economists. This is described in chapter 11 of Naomi Klein''s book The shock doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism. Yeltsin sold off the government-owned factories, etc, of Russia to wealthy investors at a tiny fraction of their actual value. That is what wrecked the Russian economy.	Jan 21 16:33
MinceR	yeah, Yeltsin and his time machine	Jan 21 16:35
msb_	Russians were also smart enough to bring their economy and industrial plant from horse-and-buggy in a couple of decades to the point where they could fight off the Germans. They orbited the first satellite, and designed the first solid H-bomb that could actually be delivered. The US one was liquid.	Jan 21 16:37
msb_	MinceR: what "time machine"?	Jan 21 16:38
msb_	MinceR: Have you read Klein's book?	Jan 21 16:38
MinceR	msb_: russian economy was in the dump well before yeltsin came to power	Jan 21 16:38
MinceR	so was the entire eastern bloc, thanks to the russians	Jan 21 16:39
MinceR	it's probably the reason their empire fell apart	Jan 21 16:39
MinceR	(which they're trying to put together again now)	Jan 21 16:39
msb_	It may have been slow, but he completely destr0yed it.	Jan 21 16:39
msb_	MinceR: Have you read Klein's book?	Jan 21 16:40
MinceR	no	Jan 21 16:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/690207921888706560	Jan 21 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Still the reality, distributions are integrators taking bits of code to make something usable. 1/2		Jan 21 16:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/690208040474271744	Jan 21 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Sounds normal that they integrate stuffs they develop. 2/2		Jan 21 16:40
msb_	Don't refuse to access the information. Please read it.	Jan 21 16:40
MinceR	i have it but i don't read that quickly	Jan 21 16:40
MinceR	and there are other things in the pipeline	Jan 21 16:40
msb_	You only need to read chapter 11.	Jan 21 16:41
msb_	Take you an hour at most.	Jan 21 16:41
MinceR	i have, however, lived in the eastern bloc before the dissolution of the USSR	Jan 21 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Digital Painting with Krita 2.9 provides the	Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	missing Krita documentation	Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3vJt9G2dgY (opensource.com)	Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofq5z	Jan 21 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Improve your Krita chops with the Digital Painting with Krita 2.9 book \| Opensource.com		Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad	Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by News For Linux And Open Source?	Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/rgVJ6OhdMb (fossbytes.com)	Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1flaGjFWc5 (techrights.org)	Jan 21 16:46
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*TweetTuxMachines @Zeipt retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad News...'		Jan 21 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This Virtual Phone Within Your Android Lets You	Jan 21 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	Use Tor More Securely https://t.co/carQlck4Ky	Jan 21 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	(motherboard.vice.com)	Jan 21 16:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com \| This Virtual Phone Within Your Android Lets You Use Tor More Securely \| Motherboard		Jan 21 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Massive ARM v6/v7 Rework Is Landing With	Jan 21 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.5 Plus Raspberry Pi 2 Support	Jan 21 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QAfZOUtCPI (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 16:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| A Massive ARM v6/v7 Rework Is Landing With Linux 4.5 Plus Raspberry Pi 2 Support - Phoronix		Jan 21 16:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/motters/status/690215587671363584	Jan 21 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @fu11circ1e @schestowitz but if members can't vote it may be difficult to elect Karen Sandler		Jan 21 16:55
schestowitz	It might not too late to vote, esp. if there's backlash in the coming week	Jan 21 16:55
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Team Fortress 2 Update Brings More Balancing Improvements...'		Jan 21 16:57
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'A Massive ARM v6/v7 Rework Is Landing With...'		Jan 21 16:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Material Design-Inspired Linux Distro Papyros	Jan 21 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	Looks Amazing https://t.co/I9ls8pJ3L3	Jan 21 16:59
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Material Design-Inspired Linux Distro Papyros Looks Amazing https://t.co/I9ls8pJ3L3'		Jan 21 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Music App for GNOME 3.20 to Feature Truly	Jan 21 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	Asynchronous Album Art Fetching	Jan 21 17:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Music App for GNOME 3.20 to Feature...'		Jan 21 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad	Jan 21 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by News For Linux And Open Source?	Jan 21 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	@GerritASmit https://t.co/rgVJ6OhdMb (fossbytes.com)	Jan 21 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1flaGjFWc5 (techrights.org)	Jan 21 17:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Some Quick Tests With ZFS, F2FS, Btrfs &	Jan 21 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	Friends On Linux 4.4 https://t.co/QdoUymgAfV	Jan 21 17:28
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schestowitz	"LXF changing bylaws like Facebook changes privacy settings ;-)"	Jan 21 17:31
schestowitz	I can't say I'm sad because this issue is old (I got used to it), it's only now that more people speak out, so maybe things will change	Jan 21 17:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/690218328422518785	Jan 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Sadly, I must agree: Linux Foundation a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included #Techrights https://t.co/8wLkMyJDei @schestowitz		Jan 21 17:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ACROPOLITESSE/status/690221190904987648	Jan 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ACROPOLITESSE: Un téléphone virtuel sécurisé dans son Android pas pour tous les modèles et avec une base certaine de technicité https://t.co/aDKk1HJHaK		Jan 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: This Virtual Phone Within Your Android Lets You Use Tor More Securely https://t.co/anwRLCZTkp #android #linux		Jan 21 17:32
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6975294	Jan 21 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included http://techrights.org/2016/01/21/linux-foundation-coup/		Jan 21 17:35
schestowitz	"Heartbreaking :("	Jan 21 17:35
msb_	We now see FIVE attacks on Linux: 1. systemd 2. UEFI 3. KDE5/Plasma 4. SJWs vs Linus 5. Corporatization of the Linux Foundation	Jan 21 17:41
MinceR	the LF wasn't always corporatized?	Jan 21 17:42
MinceR	also, don't forget kdbus and related efforts to fuck up the kernel	Jan 21 17:43
msb_	goes with systemd	Jan 21 17:43
msb_	LF previously had some input from smaller donors, but no longer.	Jan 21 17:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 21/1/2016: Linux Foundation, Gates	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	Foundation Under Fire; OpenStack Foundation	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	Event Coverage https://t.co/BHw7l6j7va	Jan 21 18:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 21/1/2016: Linux Foundation, Gates Foundation Under Fire; OpenStack Foundation Event Coverage \| Techrights		Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/3bQJpOYGng	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 18:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat and Fedora \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/7Sa6iA1iTx	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 18:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 18:02
schestowitz	[17:47] <msb_> LF previously had some input from smaller donors, but no longer.	Jan 21 18:11
schestowitz	it's a big issue	Jan 21 18:11
schestowitz	please speak about it online	Jan 21 18:11
schestowitz	it's our first chance in years to change LF for the better	Jan 21 18:11
MinceR	like they'll change	Jan 21 18:11
MinceR	even the fsf is dead	Jan 21 18:11
schestowitz	I've noticed someone posted a response to reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included : linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofqg4 ]		Jan 21 18:12
schestowitz	maybe you can upvote it	Jan 21 18:12
schestowitz	the Mono/MS people already mock me in the comments, ad hominem	Jan 21 18:12
schestowitz	MinceR: FSF isn't dead	Jan 21 18:12
MinceR	what are they doing?	Jan 21 18:12
schestowitz	and they stabilised budget-wise	Jan 21 18:12
schestowitz	I think their budget is over $1m now	Jan 21 18:12
MinceR	what good is all that money for?	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	never underestimate their ability to rise again (they fall around 7 years aog)	Jan 21 18:13
MinceR	are they making a stand for free software?	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	that money is for campaigns	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	and for supportin g some gnu developers/projects	Jan 21 18:13
MinceR	will rms read the FSD ever again and realize it's not a copy of the OSD?	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	RMS travel expenses too	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	to help him inspire people in other countries to join the cause	Jan 21 18:13
MinceR	what good will those campaigns do if they continue supporting cancerd?	Jan 21 18:13
cubexyz	FSF did work on coreboot too	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	they dont' support it	Jan 21 18:14
MinceR	what good will those campaigns do if they continue supporting the destruction of GNU?	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	they make a non-statement on it	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	which arguably doesn't help eliminate it	Jan 21 18:14
MinceR	they said it's "free software"	Jan 21 18:14
MinceR	which means, according to _their_ definition, that it supports the users' freedoms	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	by their 4 freedoms def, it is...	Jan 21 18:14
MinceR	it does no such thing	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	they need to change the def	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	how about the OSD, Open Source Def?	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	did OSI ever comment on... well, anything?	Jan 21 18:14
MinceR	the OSD does what rms apparently believes the FSD is now	Jan 21 18:15
schestowitz	OSI is kind of a zombie now	Jan 21 18:15
MinceR	it's open source because it's under an open source license	Jan 21 18:15
schestowitz	right...	Jan 21 18:15
schestowitz	there are three issues ATM:	Jan 21 18:15
schestowitz	1. OSD/GPL doesn't deal well with "services'	Jan 21 18:15
schestowitz	['cloud' BS, where you keep the software tucked away without source, only HTTP as interface]	Jan 21 18:16
schestowitz	2. software patents	Jan 21 18:16
schestowitz	[I'm working almost ONLY on that ATM]	Jan 21 18:16
schestowitz	3. systemd crap and corporate abuse of Linux development	Jan 21 18:16
schestowitz	[that's why we need to pressure the LF]	Jan 21 18:16
schestowitz	1 and 2 kind of dealt with by (A)GPLv3	Jan 21 18:17
schestowitz	and (3) is an issue, esp. when LF/Trovalds continue to decline to adopt gplv3	Jan 21 18:17
schestowitz	they're funded DIRECTLY by patrons that promote swpats	Jan 21 18:17
MinceR	and it shows	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	namely (off top of head) Intel, IBM, HP...	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	And there are more	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	MS also funds them less directly	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	Not sure about Apple...	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	But IBM is close to Apple	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	for business crap	Jan 21 18:18
msb_	https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/39546.html "The Linux Foundation is an industry organisation dedicated to "promoting, protecting and standardising Linux and open source software"[1]. The majority of its board is chosen by the member companies - 10 by platinum members (platinum membership costs $500,000 a year), 3 by gold members (gold membership costs $100,000 a year) and 1 by silver members (silver membership costs between $5,000 and $20	Jan 21 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org \| mjg59 \| Linux Foundation quietly drops community representation		Jan 21 18:22
msb_	000 a year, depending on company size). Up until recently individual members ($99 a year) could also elect two board members, allowing for community perspectives to be represented at the board level." But that's now changed. The individual members can no longer vote for board members, and have in fact been relabelled as "individual supporters".	Jan 21 18:22
schestowitz	Jan: "Greg kroah-Hartman shares his view at https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/41x5ec/linux_foundation_quietly_drops_community/cz6193q …"	Jan 21 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| gregkh comments on Linux Foundation quietly drops community representation [ http://ur1.ca/ofqo5 ]		Jan 21 18:26
schestowitz	Good to know, will read...	Jan 21 18:26
schestowitz	from Matthew:	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	The LF was, up until recently, soliciting money from individuals with the promise that they'd be allowed to stand and vote for the board. This had been happening since 2008. Deciding to change this without giving any notice to existing members is odd.	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	they have continued to support and encourage the SFC to help educate and speak about their issues to the Linux community for all of 2005	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	Other than canceling Karen's presentation at Linuxcon Japan shortly before the event? I agree that correlation is not causation, but there's been plenty of hostile behaviour from the LF towards the SFC in the past year. The revocation of an entire class of membership and the amendment of the bylaws to remove two board seats is an unusual act, and taken in the context of this hostility it's completely reasonable to express concern that they'	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	re linked.	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	A scheduling misunderstanding that results in Karen's talk being canceled and a change in the bylaws that prevents Karen being on the board of directors. The LF is excellent at event organisation - scheduling errors are hardly common occurrences. And this is the first change in the bylaws in 8 years. Two very rare events that both end up affecting the same person could certainly be coincidence, but it's not obvious that that's the most	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	plausible explanation.	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	I've never served on a board that's made significant changes to membership, published a new version of the bylaws, rewritten the website to remove any references to the old membership class or benefits, taken down the page about the upcoming elections, changed the titles of the existing directors and somehow failed to tell anybody else that this had happened.	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	team mono is now attacking me with total nonsense https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 18:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included : linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofqg4 ]		Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	not even factual attacks, just any crap flunk at the wall to discourage people from reading the article	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	Mono/MS/Xamarin:	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	"Boycott Novell is not a credible source, it's FOSS Infowars."	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	And his buddies then, maybe they coordinate it:	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	"but the lizardpeople"	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	Please, techrighst are a bunch os loonies, liers, and FUD spreaders and their credibility is zero.	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	Its not worth a discussion in reddit.	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	'	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	"Next up on Techrights: How Microsoft assassinated JFK and faked the moon landing"	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	Maybe they mistake me for msb_ ;-p	Jan 21 18:31
msb_	You wish!	Jan 21 18:31
msb_	http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/board-members "The Linux Foundation board of directors currently consists of 16 directors, as specified by the Bylaws." This is consistent with the previous article.	Jan 21 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxfoundation.org \| Board Members [ http://ur1.ca/9xc4l ]		Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36063/	Jan 21 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com \| LXer: Linus Torvalds: The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included		Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	"As long as Torvalds is alive, and the source code is available, the Linux kernel project will always exist. I've said it in the past and I'll say it again. The problem with Microsoft isn't their developers. It's the board of directors, executives, and legal team that are the problem."	Jan 21 18:33
cubexyz	reddit isn't any great thing either	Jan 21 18:34
cubexyz	just a bunch of goldfish with 2 second attention spans	Jan 21 18:34
msb_	The previous community influence in the Linux Foundation was 2 of 16 board members -- 12.5% Now it is zero.	Jan 21 18:35
cubexyz	the informational content on that section of reddit was zero	Jan 21 18:37
schestowitz	docker just contacted me	Jan 21 18:37
msb_	Anything on Ian?	Jan 21 18:39
schestowitz	nope	Jan 21 18:39
schestowitz	I checked again 2 days ago	Jan 21 18:39
schestowitz	i might check next month	Jan 21 18:39
schestowitz	but it looks like we'll hear nothing new	Jan 21 18:40
msb_	Do we still not know the cause of death?	Jan 21 18:40
schestowitz	the coroner said probabyl suicide, someone told me	Jan 21 18:40
schestowitz	but that's not really the part I'm interested in	Jan 21 18:40
schestowitz	need witnesses like neighbours regarding the run-in	Jan 21 18:40
schestowitz	the police almost certainly lied about what they did to him	Jan 21 18:40
schestowitz	and got away with it	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	to refute we need more witnesses	Jan 21 18:41
msb_	I mean gunshot, overdose, what?	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	it doesn't look like Ian's kids and ex-wife are pursuing this	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	at least not publicly	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	didn't say cause of death	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	i'm guessing hanging, based on his last tweet	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	a reply to some 4chan troll	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	a lot of people didn't see that tweet	Jan 21 18:42
msb_	Actual hanging would be difficult. More likely end up with slow strangulation.	Jan 21 18:44
msb_	Sorry, that is _really_ OT.	Jan 21 18:45
schestowitz	well, talks about Debian founder, so not altogether off topic imho	Jan 21 18:58
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 19:03
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schestowitz	"Linux is a corporation, BSD is a foundation. Why is that surprising?"	Jan 21 19:03
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:03
schestowitz	I just was in another thread explaining how companies love the MIT license and hate GPL.	Jan 21 19:03
schestowitz	If i had written a lot of code for FreeBSD and then Apple Inc. took my code i would cut my arm.	Jan 21 19:03
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:03
cubexyz	well if Apple was charging money yeah	Jan 21 19:15
cubexyz	if Apple was just distributing the code then no	Jan 21 19:15
cubexyz	depends if it's kernel or userland code	Jan 21 19:15
cubexyz	I thought about a different problem	Jan 21 19:19
cubexyz	what if you write a nice program and someone comes along and ports it to windows?	Jan 21 19:19
cubexyz	on the surface.. it's reasonable and it's happened	Jan 21 19:19
cubexyz	then the windows program could gain all the attention and the Unix version languishes	Jan 21 19:20
cubexyz	the motif license actually stops that from happening	Jan 21 19:20
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 19:33
schestowitz	"Seeing that has affirmed my position on this issue."	Jan 21 19:33
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	I love how RMS talks about freedom out the wazoo, but when someone brings up BSD licenses, he says "Releasing free software under a non-copyleft free software license is basically good (i.e., not evil), but that using copyleft is better."	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	Basically good? People who release software under BSD style licenses are well aware that companies can take their code and profit from it without releasing modified source code.	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	Nobody is holding a gun to you when you choose a distribution license.	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	The MIT license is far more free than the GPL will ever be. How can you claim copyleft is free? I'm not free to modify code and say screw you to the developer?	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	""True" freedom is never desirable. Nobody should be free to steal or vandalize, for example. Stopping people from performing selfish or harmful actions is a good thing. The GPL is "less free" in the same way that not being allowed to mug someone makes you "less free"."	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	If you would written the same code and release it on GLP v3 and no one would use it... what would you do?	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	And we're not talking about licensing here but about way of getting money to pay for software development.	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"You are assuming GPLv3 code is code "no one would use", which is clearly nonsense."	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	What GPL software do you use in enterprise and what permissive software do you use?	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	BSD and Apache 2 rule the world.	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
cubexyz	gcc?	Jan 21 19:35
cubexyz	kind of important	Jan 21 19:35
schestowitz	kind of ;-)	Jan 21 19:46
schestowitz	even for Linux	Jan 21 19:46
schestowitz	I think at least a few of the GPL violators that are on the members list are VMware (of course), Mediatek, and Allwinner. Do anyone has any other that you can think of?"	Jan 21 19:49
schestowitz	"For the record BTW, I do believe there are problems in the "new Microsoft". My favorite is the Casper Bowden fiasco: http://www.networkworld.com/article/2866286/microsoft-subnet/former-microsoft-chief-privacy-officer-on-the-cloud-conspiracy.html'	Jan 21 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com \| Former Microsoft Chief Privacy Officer on the Cloud Conspiracy \| Network World [ http://ur1.ca/ofr2y ]		Jan 21 19:49
schestowitz	"Ooooohhh you almost got me OP. Almost clicked that link. "	Jan 21 19:49
schestowitz	Trolls from MS Mono try to just defame me there	Jan 21 19:49
schestowitz	"Kind of ironic comment, considering this thread is all about lamenting the (GPLv2'd) Linux kernel's Foundation being too corporate-ised."	Jan 21 19:49
schestowitz	Copyleft restricts people from restricting others. If the argument for releasing under MIT license is "I should give others' freedom in their software usage", then GPL is an alternative, and potentially better, strategy for achieving that."	Jan 21 19:50
cubexyz	I don't really have the heart to argue against BSD folks	Jan 21 19:55
cubexyz	a lot of good things originated from Unix/BSD	Jan 21 19:55
cubexyz	so I use both BSD and Linux (and historical Bell Labs Unix)	Jan 21 19:56
schestowitz	"Oh hell no - you leave us openSUSE/SLE users out of it!"	Jan 21 20:00
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 20:18
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schestowitz	"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"GPL-Violator Allwinner Joins The Linux Foundation"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=allwinner-joins-lf	Jan 21 20:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| GPL-Violator Allwinner Joins The Linux Foundation - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/mt3ov ]		Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	I wonder why Linus Torvalds endorsed this foundation. He gave them access to the trademark too. Maybe the name Linux Foundation should have been used for a more appropriate organization. Something like FSF. The current Linux Foundation is an organization that promotes the use of linux in commercial space.	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"It would be GPL and FOSS incompatible."	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"I'm not free to modify code and say screw you to the developer and every single user?"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	FTFY	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/yuhong2/status/690262418094628864	Jan 21 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@yuhong2: @schestowitz To make it clear, you are arguing that all telemetry is bad, right?		Jan 21 20:29
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oiaohm	schestowitz: there are many companies that joined the Linux foundation while they were GPL violators then cleaned up their act. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2012/03/fluendo-lineo-solutions-mocana-and-nvidia-join-linux-foundation	Jan 21 21:01
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oiaohm	schestowitz: that back in 2012 is really lot more controveral than allwinner.	Jan 21 21:01
oiaohm	Remember 2012 Nvidia was still hostile about giving any documentation to open source nvidia hardware driver developers.	Jan 21 21:02
oiaohm	schestowitz: now what makes it super controlersal is this. http://www.wired.com/2012/06/torvalds-nvidia-linux/ Yes Nvidia joins the Linux foundation a few days latter Linus lets them have it.	Jan 21 21:03
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oiaohm	schestowitz: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2015/06/new-linux-foundation-members-advance-open-source-enterprise I like the allwinner statement.	Jan 21 21:18
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oiaohm	schestowitz: "Allwinner is joining the Linux Foundation to support Linux and to improve what we see as two important open source software development capabilities: collaboration and compliance," said Jack Lee, Chief Marketing Officer, Allwinner Technology. "These two concepts are critical yet difficult to master for new Linux community entrants like ourselves."	Jan 21 21:18
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schestowitz	oiaohm: i know	Jan 21 23:26
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 23:28
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schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	ITT: People asking for a better source as if this is a revelation.	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	The Linux Foundation is a consortium of corporations guys, their interest is of course purposing Linux to corporate ends, is that surprising?	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	The discussion is not whether or not RH, GNOME, Linux Foundation, Freedesktop.org and all those other big organizations whose staff is mostly employed by organizations with a profit margin serve a corporate agendum first and foremost. The discussion is whether by doing so they benefit us or not.	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	One may argue that in doing so we are benefited, not an argument I necessarily agree with but a reasonable one all the same. Arguing against that these organizations with a profit margin staffed by people paid by organizations with a profit margin are some-how not looking after the corporate interest of their employers is ridiculous. If they did not do so they should be fired. If you're employed by a corporation your first and foremost	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	responsibility is the financial well being of that corporation. It's almost like asking whether a lawyer should look out for the interests of his or her client.	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	"/r/stallmanwasright"	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	"I am in particular talking about the culture though."	Jan 21 23:29
schestowitz	"The fiasco definitely doesn't fit under the "new Microsoft" label then; it occurred squarely under Balmer. Also, I'll take the reason he says he was fired with a grain of salt; I never outright trust what anyone says when they've been fired from a company."	Jan 21 23:29
schestowitz	LOL	Jan 21 23:29
schestowitz	"But I am thinking that Satya probably made it worse, see Win10 for an example."	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	"We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the W10 stuff is far more a mountain-from-a-mole-hill situation."	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	Looks like some Microsoft PR got in there..	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	"Once they start buying the nice things in life like they would expect of their "standing" it is game over and Linux foundation be owned."	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	Down voted due to the crap that techrights posts, if you're british you would know of the sun newspaper.... well techrights is basically the sun but for the computer industry.	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	They have no credible sources and yes the linux foundation isn't all that its cracked up to be but thats got nothing to do with microsoft, techrights just bash microsoft for the sake of it.	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	Has a lot to do with Microsoft	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	Time to fork Linux. I obviously mean in a comprehensive sustained way with much backing from the community, not just some random guy forking it and adding features on his own. I'm talking about Linux's "LibreSSL" moment.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	Even better if we start with a Grsec kernel and go from there.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	What a fucking load of bullshit.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	We have /nothing/ to do with this. We have /nothing/ to do with the LXF's changes.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	These mother fuckers have VMWare influencing them and AllWinner on the board.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	And you fucking want to point the finger at MS?	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	I've just about fucking had it with how far this subreddit's members have their heads shoved up an anti-MS asshole.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	the MSFTers have arrived	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	to plant seeds of BS	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	LITERALLY THE ONLY LINK MS HAS TO ANY OF THIS IS:	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	We open sourced Chakra and are in the process of contributing it back to node.js. The node community seems very excited about this as Chakra is faster than V8, has more of ES6 implemented, AND breaks up the V8-monoculture that has permeated node.js.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	There's no downside. The community has been very welcoming.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	That's the ONLY link this article uses to trash Microsoft. Fuck off. Microsoft has nothing to do with the problems at LXF right now.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	LMFAO. You've got to be fucking kidding me, right?	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	Our "open source strategy team" is a bunch of fucking dorky tech-heads that probably lurk in /r/linux and wound up in this group at Microsoft because they wanted to be part of the OSS community.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	Really, the FUD here, as someone who knows the day-to-day reality... it just makes you all look incredibly god damn childish.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	Don't even say what's not correct	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	If you would written the same code and release it on GLP v3 and no one would use it... what would you do?	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	And we're not talking about licensing here but about way of getting money to pay for software development.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	You are assuming GPLv3 code is code "no one would use", which is clearly nonsense."	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	What GPL software do you use in enterprise and what permissive software do you use?	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	BSD and Apache 2 rule the world.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"Kind of ironic comment, considering this thread is all about lamenting the (GPLv2'd) Linux kernel's Foundation being too corporate-ised."	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"Pretty much everything is GPL. The kernel. Userland, for the most part."	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"Pretty much the only GPL thing I use at work is... git."	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"So you don't use Linux or any of the gnu userland. Color me skeptical."	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	No, I write software infrastructure for loans and credits, it's oracle-java based, runs on Windows, we write in IDEA, work with maven which is apace licensed, all libraries we use are of course apache and BSD licenced, because it would be too problematic too attach any GPL code. In many cases we had to develop wheels all over, because from financial and legal POV it's cheaper than attacking GPL library. Code hosted on gitlab (MIT) on Docker	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Apache2). Some people write in Spring (apache2) in Eclipse (eclipse public license). I use Firefox (MPL + GPL), but it's not essential to my work.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	The only GPL thing we use is git. GPL has no place in the industry. It's permissive or close-source. Google and IBM and MS are working on RISC architecture reborn, it will be BSD-licensed hardware+software (also firmware), companies decided it have to be BSD or nothing.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Software like Linux are too technologically advanced and too important to be lead by community, and because Linux foundation model is to get rich supporters it had to happen sooner or later, BSD is foundation driven by donations from supporters, not "financial leaders" who dictate what development steps system will follow: https://i.imgur.com/iC0j45J.png	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Anyone who complains about this issue and had never given any donation to FSF or Linux should just stay quiet, you can't get Linux for free, so you have to deal with companies that pay for it.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors	Jan 21 23:33
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schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"I dint know what industry you work in, but everything is gpl. It's the license de rigueur."	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Not all people feel this way, which is why some release their code under very permissive licenses.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Part of writing code for FreeBSD is using their list of acceptable licenses and the repercussions of such licenses, including the possible commercial use.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	It is very likely that code contributed to FreeBSD will be used by Apple because of the close ties between the two operating systems.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Apple also uses some GPL stuff, like CUPS, which they maintain.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:33
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201393 apple in fact uses a lot of different GPL stuff all over the place in OS X.	Jan 21 23:37
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schestowitz	yes, is that a good thing?	Jan 21 23:42
oiaohm	Here is the insanity. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-amd64/2011-March/013740.html Even Sony making game stations has been forced to upstream so much using BSD licenses due to how much maintaince effect not upstreaming is.	Jan 21 23:43
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oiaohm	So the bit about GPL forcing the release of source code being a problem. People forget not releasing source code can be equally big problem.	Jan 21 23:44
oiaohm	schestowitz: with apple bash and other GPL parts have got patches from Apple developers. So good thing.	Jan 21 23:45
schestowitz	can you show me apple.com addresses committing changes to GNU projects?	Jan 21 23:45
schestowitz	I can't think of any (GNU)	Jan 21 23:46
schestowitz	like bash...	Jan 21 23:46
oiaohm	schestowitz: you will never see that. Annoying all Apple developers have personalised email addresses. Goes back to steven jobs. remember steven jobs exploited loop hole in law to always drive cars without number plates.	Jan 21 23:53
oiaohm	Basically it simple to find redhat, intel, ibm.... everyone else contributors than apples.	Jan 21 23:54
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 22 00:15
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schestowitz	"	Jan 22 00:15
schestowitz	Time to fork Linux. I obviously mean in a comprehensive sustained way with much backing from the community, not just some random guy forking it and adding features on his own. I'm talking about Linux's "LibreSSL" moment.	Jan 22 00:15
schestowitz	Even better if we start with a Grsec kernel and go from there.	Jan 22 00:15
schestowitz	'	Jan 22 00:15
schestowitz	"Once they start buying the nice things in life like they would expect of their "standing" it is game over and Linux foundation be owned."	Jan 22 00:15
schestowitz	oiaohm: so the answer regarding apple and gnu is no	Jan 22 00:16
schestowitz	to your best knowledge	Jan 22 00:16
schestowitz	apple.com address do show up in some bsd things like clang/llvm	Jan 22 00:16
schestowitz	anyway, they took lgpl khtml	Jan 22 00:16
schestowitz	made it their own pretty much	Jan 22 00:17
schestowitz	webkit	Jan 22 00:17
schestowitz	as for jobs, I once heard this story	Jan 22 00:17
schestowitz	which I cannot verify with a link	Jan 22 00:17
oiaohm	schestowitz: apple addresses show up when they have maintainership.	Jan 22 00:17
schestowitz	it's about jobs contacting mit (IIRC) to urge them to supoort gnu and rms	Jan 22 00:17
oiaohm	Not invidual submissions.	Jan 22 00:17
schestowitz	commits are not made anonymosuly	Jan 22 00:18
schestowitz	unless for some bizarre reason 9-5 apple staff uses pseusonyms	Jan 22 00:18
oiaohm	Even some redhat developers don't sumbit under redhat email addresses.	Jan 22 00:18
schestowitz	but you know who they are	Jan 22 00:19
schestowitz	base don their namee	Jan 22 00:19
schestowitz	BTW, NSA too submits patches, via redhat.com addresses	Jan 22 00:19
schestowitz	pushing it via Fedora/Red Hat devs, someone told me (who works for red hat)	Jan 22 00:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Opinion: Open source for all mankind	Jan 22 00:20
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oiaohm	9-5 apple developer staff normally have 3 to 4 email addresses used. For something simple to see.	Jan 22 00:24
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sweet-90848120	Jan 22 00:25
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oiaohm	100 percent apple.	Jan 22 00:25
oiaohm	schestowitz: code of his into no cups projects appears coming from http://www.msweet.org/	Jan 22 00:25
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oiaohm	no cups/non cups	Jan 22 00:25
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oiaohm	schestowitz: that is the way the apple developers are.	Jan 22 00:26
oiaohm	schestowitz: so working out apple submissions is a pure pain.	Jan 22 00:27
schestowitz	"Especially me ... and especially this comment ;)"	Jan 22 00:29
schestowitz	"Protecting VMware.'	Jan 22 00:29
schestowitz	oiaohm: doubt it	Jan 22 00:29
schestowitz	oiaohm: I'm not buying it	Jan 22 00:29
schestowitz	just find one example of an apple employee, any for that matter, submitting a patch or actively developing some gnu package	Jan 22 00:30
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oiaohm	schestowitz: I could remember Michael Sweets off top of head. The others are harder. I can tell you that does not actively develop some gnu package. They are all 1 off patches address issues.	Jan 22 00:47
oiaohm	schestowitz: what drew my attention was particular developers doing a lot of OS X releated patches for items like bash that are normally not built third party due to being supplied with OS X.	Jan 22 00:48
oiaohm	schestowitz: so could they do more yes. But they are not doing nothing.	Jan 22 00:49
schestowitz	"What's wrong with corporations? You sound like a bunch of whiny liberals. There's nothing in the GPL saying you can't use free software to make money."	Jan 22 01:02
oiaohm	Not all corporations.	Jan 22 01:04
oiaohm	Percentage of corporations complain long and loud about GPL.	Jan 22 01:04
oiaohm	Percentage of corporations don't care.	Jan 22 01:05
oiaohm	and a Percentage got on with the job of using GPL selling support and making money.	Jan 22 01:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The cost of ditching Windows XP? More than	Jan 22 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	$12,000 per person https://t.co/BQDMi69J2q	Jan 22 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.techrepublic.com) #microsoft does a lot of	Jan 22 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	damage. #gnu #linux	Jan 22 01:26
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oiaohm	Sad part is cost $12000 dollars per person could apply upgrade those systems to WIndows 10, OS X or anything else yet I expect trolls not to know that.	Jan 22 01:28
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MinceR	014916 < oiaohm> schestowitz: so could they do more yes. But they are not doing nothing.	Jan 22 01:43
MinceR	they're doing worse than nothing	Jan 22 01:43
MinceR	they've sold the idea of locked-down, backdoored, dumbed-down computers to the masses	Jan 22 01:43
MinceR	they're one of the main reasons closed platforms are spreading	Jan 22 01:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromium OS for Raspberry Pi 2 Gets an 8%	Jan 22 01:45
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oiaohm	MinceR: again that is still not doing nothing. Dumbed-down computers is the idea Apple started with even when they were fully closed source.	Jan 22 01:46
MinceR	yeah	Jan 22 01:46
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oiaohm	MinceR: the idea of dumbed down interface may not be wrong. Backdoored and locked-down in ways end users cannot control those without question fail secuirty base principles so are absolutely wrong.	Jan 22 01:55
MinceR	i can't decode that	Jan 22 01:55
MinceR	anyway, dumbed down interfaces do not belong on general purpose computers	Jan 22 01:55
MinceR	then again, crApple and their like are doing everything they can to make general purpose computers a thing of the past	Jan 22 01:56
oiaohm	Nothing says general purpose computer has to require lots of training to use.	Jan 22 01:56
oiaohm	So the idea of simplified straight forwards interfaces of apple could the correct way.	Jan 22 01:57
MinceR	if the ui limits you to a small set of options (or none), you can't express the things you could otherwise do with a computer	Jan 22 01:57
MinceR	removing options because they might confuse idiots is not the correct way	Jan 22 01:57
oiaohm	Simplified straight forward interfaces does not say no advanced option buttons.	Jan 22 01:58
MinceR	removing functionality because they might confuse idiots is not the correct way	Jan 22 01:58
MinceR	the crApple/gnome way has no place for "advanced option buttons"	Jan 22 01:58
oiaohm	MinceR: you do find advanced option buttons in difference places in OS X and OS i	Jan 22 01:59
oiaohm	Gnome not having them at all is 100 percent problem.	Jan 22 01:59
MinceR	yeah, i've seen the system settings dialog in OSux	Jan 22 01:59
MinceR	it's a joke.	Jan 22 01:59
MinceR	and some of the settings they did put in do not even work	Jan 22 02:00
oiaohm	That is poor implementation of the idea.	Jan 22 02:00
MinceR	like the alleged shortcut for more keyboard-friendly GUI still doesn't let you select some widgets	Jan 22 02:00
oiaohm	In fact settings not connected to anything is poor coding.	Jan 22 02:00
MinceR	macos is not a work environment, it's a toy	Jan 22 02:00
MinceR	and where humanity's going, there won't be any tools or workstations, there will be only toys and prisons	Jan 22 02:01
oiaohm	Backdoors breach basic security principles. Build in a backdoor someone else other than you will use it one day.	Jan 22 02:01
MinceR	yet our governments and oligarchs love backdoors so much	Jan 22 02:02
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oiaohm	Even when long term it always results in them hacked they don't learn from history. If they did they would not want back doors.	Jan 22 02:03
oiaohm	Locked down computer with the keys in the own of the machines hands is good. Locked down like what apple is doing is putting trust that apple will not be forced to hand over master keys to government or get breached themselves.	Jan 22 02:05
MinceR	even if they aren't forced or breached, they're untrustworthy	Jan 22 02:05
MinceR	i wouldn't let those criminals have such access to any piece of my infrastructure	Jan 22 02:05
oiaohm	Basically its the old Polyculture vs monoculture from cropping.	Jan 22 02:06
oiaohm	The better your diversity in protection values the harder a security system is to attack.	Jan 22 02:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Company of Heroes 2: The Western Front Armies	Jan 22 02:07
TweetTuxMachines	to Arrive on Linux Soon	Jan 22 02:07
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oiaohm	So a lock down system in control of the supplier is less of a Polyculture than a lock down system that the owner controls.	Jan 22 02:08
oiaohm	MinceR: basically we have learnt nothing from history. Monoculture was proven bad from many famines cause by crop infections.	Jan 22 02:09
oiaohm	To be correct learnt nothing from history or nature.	Jan 22 02:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE 14X Thursday: New Morning in Pasadena	Jan 22 03:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Major Banks Complete ‘Modest’ Blockchain Test	Jan 22 03:15
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DuoAphex	anyone here familiar with Remix OS?	Jan 22 04:05
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msb_	Try ##linux	Jan 22 04:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Are you a Fedora Women? Then Let us Know!	Jan 22 04:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nyko Unveils Cygnus Gaming Controller For	Jan 22 04:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Security https://t.co/HiXrOCXDe3	Jan 22 04:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kwort Linux 4.3.1 Officially Released with	Jan 22 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	Security Patches, Bootloader Improvements	Jan 22 04:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.4 Milestone Brings the GNOME 3.20	Jan 22 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	Desktop Environment Closer to Reality	Jan 22 04:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The cost of ditching Windows XP? More than	Jan 22 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	$12,000 per person https://t.co/yA1haE05R2	Jan 22 04:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux Gets a Rolling Edition with	Jan 22 04:13
TweetTuxMachines	Continuously Updated Penetration Testing Tools	Jan 22 04:13
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DuoAphex	thanks	Jan 22 04:14
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cubexyz	oiaohm, monoculture on computers is over	Jan 22 08:24
cubexyz	and not soon enough	Jan 22 08:24
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oiaohm	cubexyz: we are not free of monoculture risks just yet but its better than it was for a long time.	Jan 22 09:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/DJJesC/status/690448249359044608	Jan 22 09:17
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TweetTuxMachines	Desktop Environment Closer to Reality	Jan 22 09:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Maps 3.19.4 Is Out with OpenStreetMap	Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements, Keyboard Navigation Overlay	Jan 22 09:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux Gets a Rolling Edition with	Jan 22 09:25
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cubexyz	don't listen to wintards that only know how to use windows and nothing else	Jan 22 09:42
cubexyz	I've used windows, and I rejected it	Jan 22 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Early 2016 Look: OpenCL & CUDA Comparison On 13	Jan 22 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines USB Suspend Changes Coming For The Linux 4.5	Jan 22 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last	Jan 22 09:43
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cubexyz	the real experts of computing: David A. Huffman, Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie	Jan 22 09:44
cubexyz	I can't believe how shitty windows is... really it's nothing to be proud of	Jan 22 09:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DJJesC: @d_seaman pretty much what he said. https://t.co/s5ANjyb7CP		Jan 22 09:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Headliner: Will Android On PC Finally	Jan 22 11:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CoH2 The Western Front Armies Is Arriving For	Jan 22 11:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sink or swim is one way to learn Linux	Jan 22 11:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Update https://t.co/MycqDKG0f0	Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxfoundation.org) parts of it	Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	reassuring, others more like damage control	Jan 22 11:20
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TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SFdsmJstJW (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 11:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last Remaining Bugs Before GNOME 3.20		Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Shell Adds Style Week Numbers in	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	Calendar, Mutter Support Screen Rotation	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KxG2e4laGE (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuq9	Jan 22 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GNOME Shell Adds Style Week Numbers in Calendar, Mutter Support Screen Rotation		Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use of	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	the Name, Cub Linux Is Born	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/03HR6ZFclz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqa	Jan 22 11:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BQ is about to drop an Ubuntu tablet that	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	doubles as a PC https://t.co/CKJFyvzCdd	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqf	Jan 22 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BQ is about to drop an Ubuntu tablet that doubles as a PC \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android on PC https://t.co/h0pSfmSJmk	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqg	Jan 22 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android on PC \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Wayland ready yet? https://t.co/4X2786UhpS	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(who-t.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqh	Jan 22 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-who-t.blogspot.co.uk \| Who-T: Is Wayland ready yet?		Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use of	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	the Name, Cub Linux Is Born	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/cRGOb65Ozg (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqi	Jan 22 11:23
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schestowitz	http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/23171/linux-foundation-gemeinschaft-im-vorstand-nicht-mehr-erwuenscht.html	Jan 22 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pro-linux.de \| Linux Foundation: Gemeinschaft im Vorstand nicht mehr erwünscht - Pro-Linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofuek ]		Jan 22 11:28
schestowitz	"Das Programm der individuellen Mitgliedschaft der Linux Foundation wurde entsprechend in Individual Supporter umbenannt. Die Bedingungen und Vergünstigungen sind wie bisher, vielleicht sogar besser, nur das aktive und passive Wahlrecht entfällt. Die Gemeinschaft hat immer noch eine Stimme im Vorstand, und zwar über den technischen Beirat (TAB), der einen Vertreter aus der Gemeinschaft wählt. Neben Garrett sehen auch Beobachter wie Roy	Jan 22 11:28
schestowitz	Schestowitz in dem Schritt eine Abwendung von der Gemeinschaft, möglicherweise als direkte Folge einer Beeinflussung durch Microsoft. Die einzige Reaktion der Linux Foundation bestand bisher darin, bestehende Individualmitgliedschaften nicht mehr automatisch zu verlängern - möglicherweise, weil aufgrund der Satzungsänderung sowieso ein außerordentliches Kündigungsrecht besteht."	Jan 22 11:28
schestowitz	techrights	Jan 22 11:28
schestowitz	also in http://www.golem.de/news/matthew-garrett-linux-foundation-verhindert-vorstand-aus-der-community-1601-118671.html http://www.computerbase.de/2016-01/wirtschaft-linux-foundation-schwaecht-community-vertreter/	Jan 22 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.golem.de \| Matthew Garrett: Linux Foundation verhindert Vorstand aus der Community - Golem.de [ http://ur1.ca/ofuqs ]		Jan 22 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerbase.de \| Wirtschaft: Linux Foundation schwächt Community-Vertreter - ComputerBase [ http://ur1.ca/ofuqt ]		Jan 22 11:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/690494134646411264	Jan 22 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: @schestowitz I've been a Linux user for 11 years & I'm still learning. My ignorance threshold is now more rarefied.		Jan 22 11:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6976983	Jan 22 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "How transatlantic regulatory cooperation under TTIP will allow bureaucrats and big business to attack the public interest" http://corporateeurope.org/international-trade/2016/01/dangerous-regulatory-duet		Jan 22 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> corporateeurope.org \| Dangerous Regulatory Duet \| Corporate Europe Observatory [ http://ur1.ca/ofuhp ]		Jan 22 11:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BQ is about to drop an Ubuntu tablet that	Jan 22 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	doubles as a PC https://t.co/QL2J7u79JG	Jan 22 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.digitaltrends.com)	Jan 22 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofurf	Jan 22 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaltrends.com \| BQ Is About to Drop the World's First Ubuntu Tablet \| Digital Trends		Jan 22 11:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last Remaining...'		Jan 22 11:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Shell Adds Style Week Numbers in Calendar,...'		Jan 22 11:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use...'		Jan 22 11:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use...'		Jan 22 11:38
schestowitz	[01:44] <MinceR> they're one of the main reasons closed platforms are spreading	Jan 22 12:04
schestowitz	You mean like ChromeOS?	Jan 22 12:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@timwillo Looking forward to hearing @Mark_Antony at the	Jan 22 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Open for Business 2.0 Conference in Dublin	Jan 22 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Castle -2nd March... Open Data, Source,	Jan 22 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	Standard	Jan 22 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuvh	Jan 22 12:28
*TweetTuxMachines @CarsonArtz favourited 'Indus OS Raises $5M To Make Android Work...'		Jan 22 12:28
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MinceR	no, i mean like iOS	Jan 22 12:45
*TweetTuxMachines @CarsonArtz favourited 'Bluboo Xwatch claims to be a $99 Android...'		Jan 22 14:26
TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Looking forward to having the lovely	Jan 22 14:26
TweetTuxMachines	@hammondazizsays for a visit at our new offices	Jan 22 14:26
TweetTuxMachines	in Bracknell.	Jan 22 14:26
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Big__Kev/status/690506992293650432	Jan 22 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Big__Kev: @AJimenez1988 @schestowitz we don't know that's speculation.		Jan 22 17:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/690506639489785856	Jan 22 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @Big__Kev @schestowitz Meanwhile Putin is responsible for the death of someone who had a long list of enemies.		Jan 22 17:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/690508121106747392	Jan 22 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @Big__Kev @schestowitz My point exactly. Double standards.		Jan 22 17:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/amaginnit/status/690510360152035329	Jan 22 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@amaginnit: @AJimenez1988 @Big__Kev @schestowitz you mean he got Blair? (Rereads tweet) oh I see.		Jan 22 17:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/690526628540223488	Jan 22 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @amaginnit @Big__Kev @schestowitz We won't be so lucky.		Jan 22 17:03
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schestowitz	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2016/Jan-22.html	Jan 22 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tirania.org \| Shared Projects or PCL? - Miguel de Icaza		Jan 22 18:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No single license to success	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/S3dfN8pXBK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwj8	Jan 22 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| No single license to success \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/7jy9dnShCZ	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwj9	Jan 22 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 8 Reasons to Consider Open-Source Databases for	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	Your Business https://t.co/onQDYU7eX4	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwja	Jan 22 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 8 Reasons to Consider Open-Source Databases for Your Business \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux Reviewed, Release	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SXgqf4dOVy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwjb	Jan 22 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kali Linux Reviewed, Release \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 19:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation News https://t.co/4OBBOTYzWX	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxbg	Jan 22 22:59
*TweetTuxMachines @Unnamed0ne followed @tuxmachines		Jan 22 22:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation News \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics https://t.co/C3kNZIJ1MT	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxbi	Jan 22 22:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Graphics \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.5 Through Linux 4.4 Kernel Benchmarks:	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	A 19-Way Kernel Showdown Shows Some Regressions	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3Gj2PWnshh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxbl	Jan 22 22:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 3.5 Through Linux 4.4 Kernel Benchmarks: A 19-Way Kernel Showdown Shows Some Regressions \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat News https://t.co/6bA7d2pasX	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxbm	Jan 22 22:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat News \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/lddgD0YRQ3	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxbn	Jan 22 22:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE 14X https://t.co/M8qNt9rT7m	Jan 23 01:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 01:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxx0	Jan 23 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SCALE 14X \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 01:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LF's Zemlin: Nothing's Changed Quit Complaining	Jan 23 01:41
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0dw3XqyZCg (ostatic.com) covering	Jan 23 01:41
TweetTuxMachines	up the core issue	Jan 23 01:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxx2	Jan 23 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| LF's Zemlin: Nothing's Changed Quit Complaining		Jan 23 01:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I hope Sandler [...] not only is allowed to	Jan 23 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	run for office, but wins a place on the board."	Jan 23 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/hOieNOuYcl (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 23 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxy9	Jan 23 01:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Linux Foundation leadership controversy erupts \| ZDNet		Jan 23 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why did Linux Foundation cut independent board	Jan 23 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	seats? https://t.co/7pU9PIGw0l	Jan 23 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.networkworld.com)	Jan 23 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxya	Jan 23 01:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com \| Why did Linux Foundation cut independent board seats? \| Network World		Jan 23 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Might Be Delayed with One	Jan 23 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	Day Due to a Unity 8 Security Bug	Jan 23 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eLe2Y0ZlKa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofxyb	Jan 23 01:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Might Be Delayed with One Day Due to a Unity 8 Security Bug \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 01:47
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msb_	I added my comment to the RT article about Litvinenko, using my google+ account, and the website worked perfectly and took it, which is more than can be said for some. https://www.rt.com/op-edge/329815-litvinenko-british-hypocrisy-cameron/	Jan 23 02:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Litvinenko saga: British hypocrisy exposed in verdict 'probably' influenced by politics — RT Op-Edge [ http://ur1.ca/ofy2g ]		Jan 23 02:14
msb_	Note my avatar, which is a picture of my sister's cute cat.	Jan 23 02:15
MinceR	http://www.politics.hu/20160122/opposition-wary-of-terrorist-threat-basic-law-amendment-proposal/	Jan 23 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politics.hu \| Opposition wary of ‘terrorist threat” basic law amendment proposal \| Politics.hu [ http://ur1.ca/ofy4u ]		Jan 23 02:34
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Might Be Delayed with One...'		Jan 23 03:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines If #RedHat is an open organisation, then so is	Jan 23 03:08
TweetTuxMachines	the #NSA https://t.co/zD1DThWV2M	Jan 23 03:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itwire.com)	Jan 23 03:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofy7w	Jan 23 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com \| iTWire - If Red Hat is an open organisation, then so is the NSA		Jan 23 03:08
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msb_	9,000 children permanently brain damaged by lead in the drinking water of Flint, Michigan, known by the Republican governor and his cronies, who kept it secret and did nothing to correct it. Here is American "news" program "20/20" billed as honest professional news topic tonight: "A Capitol Offense -- Michigan state Rep. Todd Courser is caught on tape scheming to spread rumors he was involved in casual gay sex to help cover an	Jan 23 05:10
msb_	extramarital affair between him and a colleague, Rep. Cindy Gamrat."	Jan 23 05:10
msb_	MinceR, we _already_ have government-controlled TV news.	Jan 23 05:12
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oiaohm	msb_: Australia had something kinda worse instead of water airbone lead.	Jan 23 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remote Wayland Preview, GNOME 3.20 / Fedora 24	Jan 23 07:47
TweetTuxMachines	Is Shaping Up Well For #	Jan 23 07:47
TweetTuxMachines	Wayland https://t.co/ltte6OLurM	Jan 23 07:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 07:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofz60	Jan 23 07:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Remote Wayland Preview, GNOME 3.20 / Fedora 24 Is Shaping Up Well For Wayland - Phoronix		Jan 23 07:47
oiaohm	msb_: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-17/mining-emissions-in-mount-isa-cause-lead-poisoning-in-children/4757502 Environmental protection controls not working happens in many places this was kept secret for 3 decades.	Jan 23 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abc.net.au \| Xstrata mining emissions causing lead poisoning in Mount Isa children: report - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) [ http://ur1.ca/ofz66 ]		Jan 23 07:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Stoney APUs Bring ETC2 Open-Source Driver	Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	Support https://t.co/DGD98xKBvw	Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzgn	Jan 23 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| AMD Stoney APUs Bring ETC2 Open-Source Driver Support - Phoronix		Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Miguel de Icaza says "Linux kernel source code	Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	such a pleasure to use" https://t.co/0lwvXSHRoL	Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	(tirania.org) but serves #microsoft	Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jg4yHsEnOZ (techrights.org)	Jan 23 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tirania.org \| Shared Projects or PCL? - Miguel de Icaza		Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzgo	Jan 23 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Miguel de Icaza - Techrights		Jan 23 09:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/690827200623415296	Jan 23 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: #Україна Мораль истории с кибератаками? Вообще не пользоваться ничем от microsoft. https://t.co/D0999uLWr2		Jan 23 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Moral of the #ukraine story? Don't use #microsoft https://t.co/lMCQdqEPQc https://t.co/pw2T2Ssk2S https://t.co/MrB7HqJVua		Jan 23 09:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/robtaylor78/status/690836493045207040	Jan 23 10:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@robtaylor78: @schestowitz https://t.co/TJpOg7JiLD		Jan 23 10:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bloomberglabs.com \| About \| Bloomberg API \| Bloomberg Labs		Jan 23 10:03
schestowitz	Thanks	Jan 23 10:03
*TweetTuxMachines @BenLeeNR favourited 'Indus OS Raises $5M To Make Android Work...'		Jan 23 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines uNav GPS navigator for Ubuntu Touch Receives	Jan 23 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	Several Improvements https://t.co/XgkqfH1sd0	Jan 23 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzq0	Jan 23 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| uNav GPS navigator for Ubuntu Touch Receives Several Improvements		Jan 23 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on with Kali Linux Rolling	Jan 23 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/PnEEKk3kj0 (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 23 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzq7	Jan 23 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Hands-on with Kali Linux Rolling \| ZDNet		Jan 23 11:06
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'uNav GPS navigator for Ubuntu Touch Receives Several...'		Jan 23 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port	Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	on their radar https://t.co/SgxdAkO3tr	Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 23 11:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Wayland status update https://t.co/ENJzlDVwiK	Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 23 11:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port on their radar \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 23 11:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Bug Butcher released for Linux & SteamOS,	Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	here's some thoughts for you	Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ysnSZVrGsi (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 23 11:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Bug Butcher released for Linux & SteamOS, here's some thoughts for you \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 23 11:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 things every Android user should know	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/UJONBWfCec (www.technobuffalo.com)	Jan 23 12:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Development kit runs Linux on Renesas	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	Cortex-A15 SoC https://t.co/Eh2xDu1Kvz	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 23 12:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PulseAudio 8.0 Officially Released	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eJJdcorlQX (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/yOd0avjb07 (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5VJfEjgq0U (www.winehq.org)	Jan 23 12:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| PulseAudio 8.0 Brings Systemd Journal Logging, OS X / NetBSD Improvements - Phoronix		Jan 23 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org \| WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.9.2 is now available.		Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's Gedit App to Be Known as "Text Editor"	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	Among GNU/Linux Distributions	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/WLVsBYljuz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 12:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why open source is the 'new normal' for big	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	data https://t.co/yXX7M6DqzL	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 12:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why open source is the 'new normal' for big data \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	elementary OS https://t.co/3OfCwucFfc	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 12:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for elementary OS \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 12:29
msb_	Habitat (1997) -- a wonderful sci-fi movie starring Alice Krige (Borg Queen, Mother Vamp in Sleepwalkers) in another courageous role. Humanity has destroyed the ozone layer, causing intense UV bombardment, but a scientist develops a method for humanity to evolve biologically into a whole new life-form. The movie is obtainable.	Jan 23 12:29
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MinceR	msb_: so do we	Jan 23 14:06
MinceR	msb_: and we don't have anything else	Jan 23 14:07
MinceR	atv makes a really weak pretense of being opposition, but that fell apart when its owner commanded its most vocal opposition program to be shut down	Jan 23 14:07
msb_	At least you can access alternative new sites on the Web.	Jan 23 14:08
msb_	Do you get RT?	Jan 23 14:08
MinceR	i do	Jan 23 14:08
msb_	Lots of good stuff on there.	Jan 23 14:08
MinceR	but under those provisions, they can shut down internet access as well	Jan 23 14:08
MinceR	what's more worrying is that they can also restrict travel	Jan 23 14:09
MinceR	locking down the borders, just like under the communist/socialist dictatorship	Jan 23 14:09
MinceR	to prevent the slaves from escaping	Jan 23 14:09
msb_	It would be very bad PR if they did that.	Jan 23 14:09
msb_	Best for you to focus on the world as it is, not the worst case of how it might be.	Jan 23 14:10
msb_	Live in the now.	Jan 23 14:11
msb_	Imagining a dystopic future will make you depressed.	Jan 23 14:11
msb_	If it does get bad you can fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQMAGT-3wx4	Jan 23 14:15
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MinceR	me and what army?	Jan 23 14:17
msb_	The army of other displeased people. You're not the only one.	Jan 23 14:18
msb_	Watch RT. They cover events of the whole world.	Jan 23 14:19
msb_	It's not controlled by Putin.	Jan 23 14:19
MinceR	most people embrace oppression	Jan 23 14:20
MinceR	and yes it is	Jan 23 14:20
MinceR	even people i would previously mistake for intelligent people on irc keep echoing orban's bullshit to me	Jan 23 14:20
MinceR	and other nazi bullshit too	Jan 23 14:21
MinceR	this is nazi hungary	Jan 23 14:21
msb_	Nazi like Ukraine or just authoritarian?	Jan 23 14:23
MinceR	nazi like nazi germany and putin	Jan 23 14:23
msb_	you're confusing a corporatist political movement with authoritarianism.	Jan 23 14:24
msb_	Putin is authoritarian. He's not nazi.	Jan 23 14:24
msb_	If you confuse concepts, you won't be able to think accurately.	Jan 23 14:25
MinceR	he's also fascist, nationalist, is in cahoots with a cult and is trying to bring back an empire that called itself communist and socialist	Jan 23 14:25
MinceR	i'm just tired of the various authoritarian sects' game of "we're totally different from those guys which makes us good!"	Jan 23 14:26
MinceR	i'm also tired of various cults trying on labels by the dozen in the hope that it will obscure their true nature	Jan 23 14:26
msb_	He's doing some good things -- fighting ISIL working with various non-US-aligned nations economically.	Jan 23 14:27
msb_	You are purposely distorting your thinking.	Jan 23 14:27
MinceR	yeah, it's interesting how putler and the us allegedly "fighting" ISIL somehow end up attacking each other's allies	Jan 23 14:28
MinceR	but i'm sure they both want to beat the ISIL	Jan 23 14:28
MinceR	it's not like they both want a place where they can test their military equipment	Jan 23 14:28
msb_	You are purposely distorting your thinking. I can't talk with you.	Jan 23 14:29
MinceR	then don't	Jan 23 14:29
MinceR	it's an interesting new expression for "disagreeing with me"	Jan 23 14:30
MinceR	(the crime of our age)	Jan 23 14:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine 1.9.2 Lands with GStreamer 1.0 and Shader	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	Model 4 Support https://t.co/zcIoYAJGxO	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) https://t.co/pgj6fEn3EN	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 15:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Wine 1.9.2 Lands with GStreamer 1.0 and Shader Model 4 Support		Jan 23 15:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SUSE Survey Finds There Just Aren't Enough	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	OpenStack Skills to Go Around	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/T050OypKTH (ostatic.com)	Jan 23 15:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| SUSE Survey Finds There Just Aren't Enough OpenStack Skills to Go Around		Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE 14X: Making the Mark and Getting Ready	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	for Doctorow https://t.co/jBWRcQOrjl	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	(fossforce.com)	Jan 23 15:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| SCALE 14X: Making the Mark and Getting Ready for Doctorow \| FOSS Force		Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCaLE 14x, day 1: Shuttleworth delivers the	Jan 23 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	grand vision for #Ubuntu	Jan 23 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bfjCrTHmTt (www.cio.com)	Jan 23 15:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cio.com \| SCaLE 14x, day 1: Shuttleworth delivers the grand vision for Ubuntu \| CIO		Jan 23 15:40
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Wine 1.9.2 Lands with GStreamer 1.0 and Shader...'		Jan 23 15:40
msb_	MinceR: At some point in your life you decided to always look at the worst in everything. Probably because you figured that then you would never be taken by surprise. You made that decision so long ago that you forgot that you made it, and so you think that the distorted way you see the world is the way it really is. I made the same decision, with the same result, when I was a child. But later I remembered it and realized it was	Jan 23 15:45
msb_	wrong.	Jan 23 15:45
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msb_	MinceR: Now you're used to being a miserable depresso, and you don't want to change. But you're just being silly.	Jan 23 15:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.5 Through Linux 4.4 Kernel Benchmarks:	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	A 19-Way Kernel Showdown Shows Some Regressions	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/lg3OYz9gre (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 15:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux 3.5 Through Linux 4.4 Kernel Benchmarks: A 19-Way Kernel Showdown Shows Some Regressions - Phoronix		Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma Mobile’s Vision https://t.co/J17jydbF0o	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	(sessellift.wordpress.com)	Jan 23 15:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sessellift.wordpress.com \| Plasma Mobile’s Vision \| sessellift		Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android-powered Acer Jade Primo apparently in	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	the works https://t.co/rZaXIXomfc	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gsmarena.com) https://t.co/E3m4RqEA6g	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Jan 23 15:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com \| Android-powered Acer Jade Primo apparently in the works - GSMArena.com news		Jan 23 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com \| Rumor: Acer Developing Android Variant Of The Jade Primo \| Androidheadlines.com		Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Might Be Delayed with One	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	Day Due to a Unity 8 Security Bug	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ghjjGAFIY5 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 16:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Might Be Delayed for One Day Due to a Unity 8 Security Bug		Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Feature Request: Why Android Wear needs Force	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	Touch-like features https://t.co/uq9bz8L2Ao	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	(9to5google.com)	Jan 23 16:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com \| Feature Request: Why Android Wear needs Force Touch-like features \| 9to5Google		Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Marshmallow: release date, name and	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	features https://t.co/35RThEiCoI	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itpro.co.uk)	Jan 23 16:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk \| Android Marshmallow: release date, name and features \| IT PRO		Jan 23 16:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's Gedit App to Be Known as "Text Editor"	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	Among GNU/Linux Distributions	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8gFAF5Nqam (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 16:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GNOME's Gedit App to Be Known as "Text Editor" Among GNU/Linux Distributions		Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	elementary OS https://t.co/fWrltEKcid	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 16:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for elementary OS		Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.76 LTS Has MIPS, x86 and IPv6	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements, Updated Drivers	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/f3IUqDEMIQ (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 16:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux Kernel 3.2.76 LTS Has MIPS, x86 and IPv6 Improvements, Updated Drivers		Jan 23 16:35
schestowitz	> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-cost-of-ditching-windows-xp-more-than-12000-per-person/#previous-next-top	Jan 23 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| The cost of ditching Windows XP? More than $12,000 per person - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/og0r7 ]		Jan 23 16:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 23 16:56
schestowitz	> The exit cost needs to be counted in the TCO for any software,	Jan 23 16:56
schestowitz	> especially proprietary:	Jan 23 16:56
schestowitz	> http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/informatics/oss_tech/index_en.htm	Jan 23 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ec.europa.eu \| Open Source Strategy in the European Commission - DIGIT [ http://ur1.ca/331n3 ]		Jan 23 16:57
schestowitz	yes, but some framed it as a cost of Linux!	Jan 23 16:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.76 LTS Has MIPS, x86 and IPv6	Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements, Updated Drivers	Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/EFQGDOtYJ1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 17:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Kernel 3.2.76 LTS Has MIPS, x86 and IPv6 Improvements, Updated Drivers \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation chief spins to justify	Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	keeping community out https://t.co/9yFwSfRWRl	Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itwire.com)	Jan 23 17:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com \| iTWire - Linux Foundation chief spins to justify keeping community out		Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 23/1/2016: New Kali Linux, Google Teams	Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	with Red Hat https://t.co/wgSj2S0FKN	Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 23 17:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/HojozV1J5T	Jan 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 17:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 23/1/2016: New Kali Linux, Google Teams with Red Hat \| Techrights		Jan 23 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: OSS \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/drQOFC3CBh	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6975574	Jan 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 17:53
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schestowitz	"	Jan 23 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: .@LinuxFoundation causes uproar by quietly removing community representation from its board http://www.information-age.com/industry/software/123460821/linux-foundation-causes-uproar-quietly-removing-community-representation-its-board time to demand answers		Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	This is probably coordinated with the Azure push. Watch them start training for and recommending Suse on Azure. All the benefits of software freedom all the hardware Wintel has to offer, in a PRISM. Watch that be the “solution,” the accepted backdoor, to “terrorists” using strong encryption. Red Hat bent to UEFI, if they go along with this, it will be more disgrace for them.	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	Microsoft wins no matter how things end up. The infiltrated Linux Foundation will be accepted as a corporate safe way, perhaps the only legal way, of running free software. That, or the community rejects the Linux Foundation and it goes the way of ISO, discredited and impotent.	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	The lack of community cohesion and action is disgraceful. Microsoft continues to destroy free software commercial support, and they continue to pit the survivors against each other. Even if our governments are too corrupt to step in on obvious anti-trust grounds, the free software community should recognize the game and plan a united front to escape. Red Hat, IBM, Google, and other surviving free software using companies should escape the	Jan 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/pAoqGyzHHv	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	Intel hardware lock and make platforms that they can all trust. If they keep trading software freedom for some petty advantage on x86, the software owners will win and all of them will be gutted like Nokia, Yahoo, Novell and, SCO before them. It’s so obvious that all of them need hardware that’s free software from the metal up.	Jan 23 17:53
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schestowitz	"	Jan 23 17:53
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cubexyz	we don't really have hardware we can understand	Jan 23 18:13
cubexyz	or repair for that matter	Jan 23 18:13
cubexyz	sure, we can do component replacement, replace old RTCs, old SIMMs, old BIOS chips	Jan 23 18:14
cubexyz	but the reality is more like a bic-lighter for most	Jan 23 18:15
cubexyz	but there are a few specialists out there that can do board level repair	Jan 23 18:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/690958201324462082	Jan 23 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz https://t.co/DLamKeiswn		Jan 23 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IBMLinuxONE: Catch @WIREDInsider stream the IBM LinuxONE launch 🐧🐧🐧🐧 https://t.co/DqP0RbWbD0		Jan 23 18:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ManCityPhotos/status/690961206442618882	Jan 23 18:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ManCityPhotos: Joe Hart is special. https://t.co/ATD3YRPO3g		Jan 23 18:28
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msb_	schestowitz: Maybe I'm not understanding you, but using x86 machines is a huge advantage, because that's what most computer professionals and users already have. And can't all Linux distros work around UEFI? You also said that some people framed the $12,000 cost of getting rid of Windows XP as a cost of Linux. Mental framing is very important. We see the use of FOSS and open standards as being virtually cost-free, and also the	Jan 23 18:33
msb_	natural (world-wide human) way of doing things. But some Microsoft victims think that the MS way is normal, and FOSS is something new and exotic.	Jan 23 18:33
MinceR	for now, we can work around uefi, but the noose is tightening	Jan 23 18:36
MinceR	uefi on x86, that is	Jan 23 18:37
MinceR	probably not on arm, and that's what it will look like on x86	Jan 23 18:37
MinceR	then again, a sechole in winblows could probably be used to chain-load a real OS even from there	Jan 23 18:38
msb_	X86 machines are also cheap and powerful. But it's always best to choose AMD CPUs if possible, because these are less likely to have backdoors than Intel.	Jan 23 18:38
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msb_	If AMD CPUs dissipate a little more heat than Intel, make sure they have good heat-sinking and ventilation.	Jan 23 18:40
cubexyz	evidently there's a guide for installing Ubuntu on Surface Pro 3	Jan 23 18:40
cubexyz	they are replacing EFI boot with something called eEFind	Jan 23 18:41
cubexyz	er, rEFind	Jan 23 18:42
cubexyz	not my first choice, but it shows that people who really want linux on their systems can do it	Jan 23 18:44
MinceR	afaik that's still EFI boot	Jan 23 18:44
MinceR	just a UI to select which os/bootloader you want to use	Jan 23 18:45
cubexyz	yeah it looks messy	Jan 23 18:52
cubexyz	I wasn't about to suggest everyone go out and buy surface pro 3's :)	Jan 23 18:52
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cubexyz	http://www.computerworld.com/article/2471299/open-source-tools/dennis-ritchie-and-steve-jobs----quite-the-juxtaposition.html	Jan 23 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com \| Dennis Ritchie and Steve Jobs -- quite the juxtaposition \| Computerworld		Jan 23 20:22
MinceR	"Jobs arguably founded an industry based on the integrated circuit."	Jan 23 20:25
MinceR	[citation needed]	Jan 23 20:25
cubexyz	yeah I thought that sounded wrong	Jan 23 20:25
MinceR	but then, what did i expect from IDG	Jan 23 20:25
cubexyz	at least he tried, better than some	Jan 23 20:26
cubexyz	at least he had some inkling of the importance of Tesla	Jan 23 20:28
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 20:28
cubexyz	integrated circuit is also a bit vague	Jan 23 20:30
cubexyz	microprocessor would have been closer to the truth	Jan 23 20:31
MinceR	"dumbed-down computers" would have been even closer	Jan 23 20:33
MinceR	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-23/anyone-using-new-york-city-roads-after-230pm-will-be-arrested	Jan 23 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| Anyone Using New York City Roads After 2:30pm Will Be Arrested \| Zero Hedge		Jan 23 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation and Linux	Jan 23 20:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/j3abaagCpg	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rockstor 3.8-11 Linux-Based Free NAS Solution	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	Has Rock-Ons and UI Improvements	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HQJD1DyhuT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og1hy	Jan 23 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Rockstor 3.8-11 Linux-Based Free NAS Solution Has Rock-Ons and UI Improvements \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice Picks https://t.co/fcIu6FwaT7	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og1hz	Jan 23 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice Picks \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora N-1 Upgrades Approved, F24 June 7, F25	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	Nov 8 https://t.co/AGOGA6eTTI	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og1i0	Jan 23 20:51
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MinceR	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-23/bloomberg-may-run-president-after-becoming-frustrated-race-gone-haywire	Jan 23 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| Bloomberg May Run For President After Becoming "Frustrated" With Race Gone "Haywire" \| Zero Hedge		Jan 23 21:28
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schestowitz		Jan 23 21:52
schestowitz	ewww... bloomberg	Jan 23 21:52
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 21:52
schestowitz	we already have clinton running for wall street	Jan 23 21:52
schestowitz	we don't need mr wall street himself to run directly	Jan 23 21:52
MinceR	maybe we'll get more comedy out of the race this way	Jan 23 21:52
schestowitz	maybe he'll make the coke ban (sort of) nationwise	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	*wide	Jan 23 21:53
MinceR	soft drinks or cocaine?	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	it would be funny if he ran against rump	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	though I think he's conservative too	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	it would show, for the first time, the real owners of the country running directly	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	who else to join? Waltons and Bill Gates?	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	bezos?	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	!google bloomberg can coke	Jan 23 21:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - What #Shareacoke Reveals About Advertising - Bloomberg View \| http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-26/what-shareacoke-reveals-about-advertising	Jan 23 21:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - U.S. Urged to Cut Sugar Equal to a Half-Can of Coke a ... - Bloomberg \| http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-07/new-diet-guidelines-say-americans-should-cut-back-on-sugar-meat	Jan 23 21:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Germany: Coca-Cola Seeks Sales Boost via Food ... - Bloomberg \| http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-28/germany-coca-cola-seeks-sales-boost-via-food-delivery-app	Jan 23 21:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Can Coke Fight Obesity By Making Soda a Treat? - Bloomberg ... \| http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/b/847867d9-87f9-4411-83f6-5152a686b902	Jan 23 21:54
schestowitz	wait, was it Cuomo's idea?	Jan 23 21:54
MinceR	:D	Jan 23 21:54
schestowitz	Andrew Cuomo?	Jan 23 21:55
schestowitz	Can't even reall his surname, but he did a publicity stunt recently, regarding the homeless in NY	Jan 23 21:55
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/425s2j/jim_zemlin_on_the_linux_foundations_bylaw_changes/	Jan 23 22:46
schestowitz	"So, am I understanding that they did in fact change it so that the $99 members can't replace either Larry or Bdale with Karen?"	Jan 23 22:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Jim Zemlin on the Linux Foundation's by-law changes : linux		Jan 23 22:46
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4250u3/scale14x_linux_sucks/	Jan 23 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Scale14x: Linux Sucks : linux [ http://ur1.ca/og1t1 ]		Jan 23 22:49
schestowitz	"Bryan Lunduke, a Linux lover working at Suse"	Jan 23 22:49
schestowitz	Working at SUSE?>!	Jan 23 22:49
MinceR	"working" at suse	Jan 23 22:49
schestowitz	is it true though?	Jan 23 22:55
schestowitz	He never stated this afaik	Jan 23 22:55
schestowitz	By Rob Enderle http://www.datamation.com/commentary/cyber-insecurity-in-2016-we-are-not-ready.html	Jan 23 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| Cyber Insecurity In 2016: We Are Not Ready - Datamation [ http://ur1.ca/og1to ]		Jan 23 22:56
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oiaohm	The part that annoys me is that the security nightmare is not new.	Jan 23 23:16
oiaohm	Also I like how they say Microsoft and Intel have it right yet the most common complaint about Linux distrobutions is the forced updating breaking applications that have not been maintained.	Jan 23 23:17
cubexyz	that's ridiculous	Jan 23 23:28
cubexyz	Microsoft is worse not better	Jan 23 23:28
cubexyz	windows uses more cpu cycles to do the same work	Jan 23 23:32
cubexyz	plus they force upgrades people don't want in an endless cycle	Jan 23 23:32
oiaohm	Problem here is security is a endless cycle it self.	Jan 23 23:34
oiaohm	Because what is secure today may not be secure in a few months time.	Jan 23 23:34
cubexyz	not at all	Jan 23 23:37
cubexyz	that would assume infinite bugs	Jan 23 23:37
cubexyz	well, it's not infinite	Jan 23 23:37
cubexyz	eventually if the internet facing stuff is hardened enough it's good enough	Jan 23 23:37
oiaohm	There are endless bugs due to encryption.	Jan 23 23:37
cubexyz	eh?	Jan 23 23:38
oiaohm	encryption is a attempt to make a solution that is too hard to brute force and does not have flaws.	Jan 23 23:38
cubexyz	not in reality	Jan 23 23:38
cubexyz	anyways I don't use ssl on my server	Jan 23 23:39
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oiaohm	Of course as computer power increases old encryptions and checksum solutions come open to brute forcing.	Jan 23 23:40
oiaohm	Like SHA1 collisions recently.	Jan 23 23:40
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oiaohm	Even if you don't use ssl on your server you have banking and system integrity metrics that depend on stuff not being able to be brute-forced.	Jan 23 23:41
cubexyz	it's locked down by a bunch of different things	Jan 23 23:41
oiaohm	So encryption endless bugs end when we cannot make faster and more powerful computers.	Jan 23 23:41
cubexyz	for one thing, I only allow online banking from one IP address	Jan 23 23:42
cubexyz	I never use any other computer for it	Jan 23 23:42
cubexyz	so I'm pretty sure the banks are fine	Jan 23 23:44
cubexyz	I even do periodically checks on my BIOS, the bash shell, etc	Jan 23 23:46
cubexyz	static ip even	Jan 23 23:54
cubexyz	some banks even let you define access times	Jan 23 23:55
cubexyz	transaction limits too	Jan 23 23:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: remember lot of banks if you attempt to use a 4 year old webbrowser will just drop your connection.	Jan 23 23:56
oiaohm	So there is a percentage of mandatory upgrading.	Jan 23 23:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Chakra] Plasma 5.5.3, Applications 15.12.1 and	Jan 17 00:08
TweetTuxMachines	Frameworks 5.18.0 by KDE now available	Jan 17 00:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Xf9ADPF1Yo (chakraos.org)	Jan 17 00:08
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MinceR	https://archive.is/ksSpD	Jan 17 01:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint: from Rafaela to Rosa	Jan 17 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/yxN8JOtu2T (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of83j	Jan 17 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint: from Rafaela to Rosa \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma 5.5.3, Applications 15.12.1 and	Jan 17 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	Frameworks 5.18.0 by KDE now available	Jan 17 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/cPIvJSn18m (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of83k	Jan 17 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Plasma 5.5.3, Applications 15.12.1 and Frameworks 5.18.0 by KDE now available \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing Phoenix OS, an Alternative to Remix	Jan 17 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	OS and Android-x86 Made in China	Jan 17 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/qUpqFDtUjv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of884	Jan 17 04:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Introducing Phoenix OS, an Alternative to Remix OS and Android-x86 Made in China \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 04:53
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6967152	Jan 17 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nvidia blobs and #privacy https://charliehorse55.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/how-nvidia-breaks-chrome-incognito/		Jan 17 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> charliehorse55.wordpress.com \| How Nvidia breaks Chrome Incognito \| charliehorse55 [ http://ur1.ca/of8p2 ]		Jan 17 09:16
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 09:16
schestowitz	It’s nothing really to do with Chromium Browser. Either OSX or Nvidia was not deleting GPU memory and users were able to query it to retrieve frames.	Jan 17 09:16
schestowitz	It just goes to show that you need free software from the metal up. Some devices are unsafe, even if you can just treat them like a circuit. Given Nvidia’s long standing malice, the slop is probably intentional.	Jan 17 09:16
schestowitz	I wonder if javascript could grab video frames, so that web sites could do this. WebGL?	Jan 17 09:16
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 09:16
cubexyz	there's an xyz domain	Jan 17 09:24
schestowitz	yes, I think it's used specially in china	Jan 17 09:25
schestowitz	I once read about the original purpose of this suffix	Jan 17 09:25
cubexyz	yeah we don't really have 100% FOSS by any means	Jan 17 09:28
cubexyz	I see blackbox code everywhere	Jan 17 09:29
cubexyz	and beyond just code, there's lots of planned obsolescence in hardware	Jan 17 09:32
cubexyz	utterly 100% planned	Jan 17 09:32
cubexyz	plastic welding seems to be the new thing	Jan 17 09:33
cubexyz	plastic welding in what you may ask... well external hard drives for one	Jan 17 09:33
cubexyz	not to mention opening something that breaks a seal that automatically voids the warranty	Jan 17 09:34
cubexyz	e.g. any DVR made for Rogers/Bell/Name your Media Empire Here	Jan 17 09:34
cubexyz	soldered in batteries...	Jan 17 09:37
cubexyz	"As open source software can always be updated by somebody and maintained by others the user is not at the mercy of a proprietary vendor."	Jan 17 09:40
cubexyz	FOSS == anti obsolescence	Jan 17 09:40
schestowitz	> http://yle.fi/uutiset/paper_5000_higher_learning_jobs_cut_by_government/8601282	Jan 17 09:44
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yle.fi \| Paper: 5,000 higher learning jobs cut by government \| Yle Uutiset \| yle.fi [ http://ur1.ca/of8ra ]		Jan 17 09:44
schestowitz	> While everyone is fighting over the budgets and staffing, the softers	Jan 17 09:44
schestowitz	> have taken over the curricula and decided on even the teaching methods.	Jan 17 09:44
schestowitz	Are they teaching MS at schools, to what degree if so..?	Jan 17 09:44
cubexyz	that's a question I keep thinking about a lot	Jan 17 09:45
schestowitz	> older:	Jan 17 09:45
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 09:45
schestowitz	> https://news.artnet.com/art-world/facebook-censorship-little-mermaid-denmark-copenhagen-401984	Jan 17 09:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.artnet.com \| Facebook Censored Copenhagen's Mermaid - artnet News [ http://ur1.ca/of8re ]		Jan 17 09:46
cubexyz	I knew about this one english professor that demanded that essays be written using a specific version of microsoft word	Jan 17 09:46
cubexyz	it wasn't enough to use microsoft word... it had to be this one specific version	Jan 17 09:46
cubexyz	based on that little experience I'm kind of worried about the microsoft influence in schools	Jan 17 09:47
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/value-of-longevity-cooper.pdf	Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines We Support Linux! (Maybe)	Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/7qG8Wo8MqU (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of8ri	Jan 17 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| We Support Linux! (Maybe) \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Kernel https://t.co/wovDlGIfoA	Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of8rk	Jan 17 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Kernel \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Screenshots/Screencasts https://t.co/zoTdQTjiey	Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of8rl	Jan 17 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/stJYg9BPF5	Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of8rm	Jan 17 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora: The Latest \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 09:49
oiaohm	schestowitz: GPU for a long time had zero real memory management. Only cards GPU cards that support VT-d in fact support protected memory preventing recovery from video card ram.	Jan 17 09:55
oiaohm	schestowitz: worst part about GPU memory is a GPU reset is does not mean clear ram. So data can be in GPU ram even after a hot reboot.	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	> "Erickson, Jonathan (2001-07-22). "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	> Strikes And You're Out". "	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	> http://www.ddj.com/184404225	Jan 17 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.drdobbs.com \| Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three Strikes And You're Out \| Dr Dobb's		Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	> https://web.archive.org/web/20070218115715/http://www.ddj.com/184404225	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org \| Dr. Dobb's \| Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three Strikes And You're Out \| July 22, 2001 [ http://ur1.ca/of8sd ]		Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	> probably better archive it locally if it is needed	Jan 17 09:56
schestowitz	Given copyrights, I don't think I can just make a mirror of it until or unless they remove the original.	Jan 17 09:56
oiaohm	Archive.org is under the rules of the library of alexandar what is greek rules. Good fun as long as they don't run out of disc space they can mirror anything that was placed on a publically accessable location.	Jan 17 10:04
oiaohm	schestowitz: yes web.archive.org exploits that rule.	Jan 17 10:05
cubexyz	copyright was stretched beyond (almost) all limits	Jan 17 10:08
cubexyz	archive.org might even have entire isssues of Dr Dobbs magazines	Jan 17 10:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: libraries have different rules to general people even intentationally.	Jan 17 10:09
oiaohm	That is why archive.org is special.	Jan 17 10:09
cubexyz	well I remember libraries having photo copiers	Jan 17 10:10
cubexyz	not sure if they still do, it's been a while since I've used one	Jan 17 10:11
cubexyz	don't really see any way anyone can stop the sharing of magazines	Jan 17 10:13
cubexyz	http://6502.org/documents/publications/dr_dobbs_journal/	Jan 17 10:14
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cubexyz	people have been complaining about Microsoft for some time now	Jan 17 10:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/fEzDqtUjTr	Jan 17 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of8tr	Jan 17 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines We Support Linux! (Maybe)	Jan 17 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/uqqNNapvqt	Jan 17 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	(mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com)	Jan 17 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of8ts	Jan 17 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com \| Mandriva Linux Chronicles: We Support Linux! (Maybe)		Jan 17 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kabylake HDMI/DP Codec Support Comes With Sound	Jan 17 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	Pull For #Linux 4.5 https://t.co/nIAh0o0qVe	Jan 17 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of8tt	Jan 17 10:20
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cubexyz	Microsoft back-petaled on the Kerberos networking protocol with "Microsoft Open Specification Promise""	Jan 17 10:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox to convert old YouTube Flash code to	Jan 17 10:23
TweetTuxMachines	HTML5 Video	Jan 17 10:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FZErJa9Dn1 (www.ghacks.net)	Jan 17 10:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of8tz	Jan 17 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net \| Firefox to convert old YouTube Flash code to HTML5 Video - gHacks Tech News		Jan 17 10:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “I worked on akregator2 (a akregator based on	Jan 17 10:24
TweetTuxMachines	akonadi) but it was never released and there is	Jan 17 10:24
TweetTuxMachines	no future for it.” https://t.co/ai5yTqtQwQ	Jan 17 10:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.aegiap.eu)	Jan 17 10:24
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cubexyz	anyways, the Big Bad Wolf has lost a lot of its teeth	Jan 17 10:27
cubexyz	once you toss windows off your system, M$'s influence is minor	Jan 17 10:27
cubexyz	at least as far as your own computer is concerned	Jan 17 10:28
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cubexyz	a lot of the tech media sites are wimpy microsoft butt kissers	Jan 17 10:38
cubexyz	they can't flog windows 10 hard enough, even when they are criticizing it	Jan 17 10:38
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oiaohm	cubexyz: I think it insane that its taken until the start of this year for Nvidia and AMD to agree to install drivers on non OS X and Windows platforms in ways that don't stomp on each other.	Jan 17 10:46
cubexyz	Ford switching to Linux, huh what do you know	Jan 17 10:47
cubexyz	oiaohm, on openbsd I am using the VESA driver :)	Jan 17 10:47
oiaohm	cubexyz: the issue with two different GPU sharing 1 output has been many times worse due to closed source libraries over writtening key parts.	Jan 17 10:49
cubexyz	hmmm, I wonder if the VESA driver uses the GPU	Jan 17 10:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://www.automotivelinux.org/news/announcement/2016/01/ford-mazda-mitsubishi-motors-and-subaru-join-linux-foundation-and Refering to this??	Jan 17 10:50
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oiaohm	cubexyz: VESA driver is depending on software emulation to be present.	Jan 17 10:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: lot of newer apple laptops don't have VESA for thier GPUs.	Jan 17 10:51
cubexyz	ok, we might have talked about this before... but how far back do we need to go to not need software emulation?	Jan 17 10:51
cubexyz	AGL, yes I thought that was great news	Jan 17 10:52
cubexyz	that's a big deal... Ford switching away from Microsoft to Linux	Jan 17 10:52
oiaohm	VESA has always been firmware emulation.	Jan 17 10:52
oiaohm	VESA mode was never truly implemented in hardware.	Jan 17 10:52
oiaohm	VGA was the last mode in hardware cubexyz	Jan 17 10:52
oiaohm	That was exposed directly by BIOS	Jan 17 10:53
cubexyz	wasn't there something called VESA BIOS Extensions?	Jan 17 10:53
cubexyz	it's not just real mode any more	Jan 17 10:54
cubexyz	since 1998 there was VBE 3.0	Jan 17 10:54
cubexyz	VBE accelerator functions...	Jan 17 10:54
oiaohm	All VBE stuff was not 1 to 1 mapping to hardware.	Jan 17 10:55
cubexyz	try "sudo hwinfo --framebuffer"	Jan 17 10:56
oiaohm	Instead it all firmware stuff running in x86 passing the right instruction to gpu.	Jan 17 10:56
cubexyz	that should tell you all the modes	Jan 17 10:56
oiaohm	seeing the modes does not tell you how the are implemented.	Jan 17 10:56
cubexyz	also the reported memory size is definitely wrong	Jan 17 10:57
oiaohm	So you are clearly seeing that it fake.	Jan 17 10:58
cubexyz	unless that's a different thing... just the VESA framebuffer size	Jan 17 10:58
cubexyz	oiaohm, well I just don't know enough about it to be honest	Jan 17 10:58
oiaohm	I remember under s3 cards reporting we have accelerated mouse functions by VESA then instead of drawing mouse pointer drawing white rectangle.	Jan 17 10:58
cubexyz	this card is a 256 meg ATI Radeon 9600 Pro	Jan 17 10:58
oiaohm	Of course not all cards it depended what firmware the s3 card had.	Jan 17 10:59
oiaohm	So some could draw mouse pointer correctly and some could not.	Jan 17 10:59
oiaohm	It was s3 cards when i came aware how bogus implemented VBE was.	Jan 17 11:00
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oiaohm	cubexyz: that was 1992 or before that I had that with s3 before I had touched Linux.	Jan 17 11:01
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cubexyz	oiaohm, I know the MSDOS programs I wrote in 1987 still work on FreeDOS	Jan 17 11:03
cubexyz	at least on this 2001 computer	Jan 17 11:03
cubexyz	although I don't know exactly how it works	Jan 17 11:03
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cubexyz	it kicks into EGA mode	Jan 17 11:04
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oiaohm	Most of my 1987 programs are not friendly. I was playing around with self rewriting binaries back then.	Jan 17 11:04
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cubexyz	so it could just be making video BIOS calls, I'm not really sure	Jan 17 11:04
cubexyz	I was using Microsoft QuickC 2.5 I think	Jan 17 11:05
cubexyz	I'd have to go all the way back to Commodore 64 to talk about writing to video registers	Jan 17 11:05
msb_	I have a $500 air conditioner that's cripplled by a welded-closed plastic box that's designed to accumulate mold that prevents water circulation, and the box can't be cleaned. So it spews condensation water all over the floor unless tedious external fixes are applied. The mfr was totally dismissive when I phoned them.	Jan 17 11:08
oiaohm	msb_: it one of the big problems I have with some air conditioners some I think are just designed to slowly kill people with toxic fumes from mould.	Jan 17 11:11
msb_	But to partially object to one point, a disadvantage of using old computer gear is that hardware speed/power capabilities have advanced very rapidly, maybe 2X per year, due to the amazing power of photolithography and higher resolution techniques applied to it (more transistors per chip).	Jan 17 11:12
oiaohm	msb_: or worse legionnaires disease	Jan 17 11:12
oiaohm	msb_: any air conditioner that cannot be properly cleaned own them is a death wish.	Jan 17 11:13
msb_	So current CPUs, RAMs, hard disks, etc., enable things like creating and playing x265 videos, which save at least half the disk space of x264s. Also convenient editing of videos.	Jan 17 11:15
msb_	These things can't be done with old kit.	Jan 17 11:15
msb_	oiaohm: Not to worry, I have no symptoms of mold toxicity.	Jan 17 11:16
msb_	I just have to collect and drain the condensate water with a system of bowls, pumps, and buckets. However, last summer the hot air hose melted, so I have to substitute a new one, and the diameter is totally non-standard.	Jan 17 11:18
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oiaohm	msb_: so one of the mega fun ones. When you mean totally non standard you did have one of the ones designed for a heat shrinking tube.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>> > http://yle.fi/uutiset/paper_5000_higher_learning_jobs_cut_by_government/8601282	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>>>>>> >>>> >>	Jan 17 11:20
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schestowitz	>>>>>>> >>>> >> While everyone is fighting over the budgets and staffing, the softers	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>>>>>> >>>> >> have taken over the curricula and decided on even the teaching methods.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>>>> >>> >	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>>>> >>> > Are they teaching MS at schools, to what degree if so..?	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> I'm mostly out of the loop and have no contacts in the south, so don't	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> quote on this. Via the news and some 2nd and 3rd hand reports, M$ has	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> given money in exchange for teaching or "researching" various products.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> But that's not what I was intending to refer to. I mean that the	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> so-called IT staff has been replaced by defacto M$ resellers. All IT	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> goes through them and no non-M$ activities get support or even allowed.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> As I mentioned some years ago, they went through individual faculty	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> machines and deleted all non-approved software. That's at the	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> University level. I'll find out about two more universities sometime	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> during the year, closer to the autumn, but the prognosis is not good.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>>> >> M$ killed Nokia but no one is reacting against it, only digging in deeper.	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	>> > Ask Torvalds about it. Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>	Jan 17 11:20
schestowitz	> He wouldn't know me from Adam and my question would have nothing to do	Jan 17 11:21
schestowitz	> with the kernel which is his area.	Jan 17 11:21
schestowitz	>	Jan 17 11:21
schestowitz	> But then again, isn't the Linux Foundation now crumbling under M$? The	Jan 17 11:21
schestowitz	> links from the web page go to M$ spam a lot these days.	Jan 17 11:21
schestowitz	yes, in the Linux news summary last week 40% of the links were Microsoft promotion. I wrote about it and pinged LF about it. Maybe shame will get them to behave.	Jan 17 11:21
msb_	I guess if I end up with a source-based Linux distro to avoid systemd, and have to compile everything, a high-speed CPU will be helpful for that too.	Jan 17 11:21
oiaohm	msb_: the ones with heat strink tube connection on the hot air lines those lines fail over and over again.	Jan 17 11:21
cubexyz	they like to follow the other sheep... baaaa :)	Jan 17 11:21
oiaohm	msb_: to be trueful systemd other than when its reloading all the unit file data due to a stupid design in that part systemd cpu load is lower than everything else on the system.	Jan 17 11:22
oiaohm	msb_: some X11 fixes have saved more cpu time than systemd uses.	Jan 17 11:22
oiaohm	msb_: by a factor of 100.	Jan 17 11:22
oiaohm	So there is a lot of crap that needs cleaning up.	Jan 17 11:23
msb_	oiaohm: There are many other reasons than speed for avoiding systemd, but I will not discuss them with you.	Jan 17 11:23
oiaohm	msb_: problem here the speed arguement is mostly invalid.	Jan 17 11:23
oiaohm	msb_: there were just as many existing issues fixed by systemd as issues it created.	Jan 17 11:24
oiaohm	Of course that is not ideal.	Jan 17 11:25
cubexyz	the best advice I can give is this: Don't rely on others to do stuff for you	Jan 17 11:25
cubexyz	do it yourself	Jan 17 11:25
cubexyz	archive what you want to keep	Jan 17 11:25
cubexyz	because I sure don't trust Fedora or Debian or even Slackware to stick around forever	Jan 17 11:26
oiaohm	Randomally glue parts into a system without any proper planing and then patching over them so they worked was the sysvinit model of Linux.	Jan 17 11:26
msb_	The A/C hoses are plastic with helical strengtheners that screw into plastic fixtures on the A/C and window panel. But their diameter is 5", while standards are 4, 6, and 8, IIRC. But I'll deal with it somehow.	Jan 17 11:27
cubexyz	which manufacturer should I be avoiding? :)	Jan 17 11:27
msb_	It's some chinese thing, but it was the most powerful and fastest cooling-down of any in Fry's when I bought it. It's a portable with hot and cold hoses. I'll tell you the mfr next time a get up, if it's visible.	Jan 17 11:29
msb_	a -> I	Jan 17 11:29
oiaohm	msb_: I think you should measure closer I would suspect they are 13cm or 5.11811 inch	Jan 17 11:29
oiaohm	msb_: basically metric pipes.	Jan 17 11:30
cubexyz	did Maytag not make air conditioners? Anyone remember Jesse Owens as the lonely maytag repair man? :)	Jan 17 11:30
msb_	They are 1 inch diameter off from any hoses I can buy.	Jan 17 11:30
oiaohm	msb_: for aircons you can by 13cm pipes here for metric systems.	Jan 17 11:31
oiaohm	msb_: that is why I said check the mesurements.	Jan 17 11:31
cubexyz	ok, maytag did in fact make air conditioners	Jan 17 11:33
msb_	cubexyz: I have probably all the software for the Linux version I'm using, which supports my 2-core cpu, and can compile any that I don't have. When I build my AMD 8-core system, I'll select the best distro I can find, and install and archive it. Probably will last til my own personal EOL.	Jan 17 11:33
cubexyz	no idea how good they were, but I've heard of maytag dishwashers lasting 30 years or more	Jan 17 11:34
cubexyz	msb_, hopefully that will be also 30 years or more :)	Jan 17 11:34
cubexyz	I'm trying to figure how which DVR to buy or build	Jan 17 11:35
oiaohm	msb_: I hope you have checked the TDP on the AMD processors.	Jan 17 11:37
msb_	cubexyz: Thank you! someone pointed out that since I've made it to 70, I have a good chance of getting a few more decades. Good Russian stock!	Jan 17 11:37
msb_	cubexyz: TDP?	Jan 17 11:38
cubexyz	thermal design power I think he means	Jan 17 11:39
oiaohm	msb_: I guess you mean me with TDP "Thermal Design Power" in otherwords how much heat the chip makes.	Jan 17 11:39
msb_	Sorry, yes. The cpu works well thermally with available mobos.	Jan 17 11:39
oiaohm	Some AMD chips spit out 220W of heat in other words over 3 old 100W lightbulbs worth of heat.	Jan 17 11:40
oiaohm	Enough to cook a chicken.	Jan 17 11:40
oiaohm	I am not kidding 3 100W lightbulb with insulation is enough to chook a chicken.	Jan 17 11:41
oiaohm	msb_: some AMD chips are sane 95W TDP	Jan 17 11:41
cubexyz	oiaohm, some of the chromebooks run quite cool	Jan 17 11:41
cubexyz	some of them don't even have fans inside	Jan 17 11:42
oiaohm	cubexyz: some intel chips have very low TDP same with some ARM. Like lightest I7 is 35 TDP.	Jan 17 11:42
cubexyz	no CPU fan, no exhaust fan in the back even	Jan 17 11:43
oiaohm	35W TDP is in the class of a 486 cubexyz	Jan 17 11:43
oiaohm	Early 486	Jan 17 11:43
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msb_	AMD FX-8350 TDP=125 watts	Jan 17 11:44
cubexyz	oiaohm, anything lower than 35W in a modern CPU?	Jan 17 11:45
oiaohm	msb_: that reqired decent cooling. Anything about 80W is PCB board destorying if not suitablely coolled..	Jan 17 11:45
oiaohm	opps anything above 80W	Jan 17 11:46
msb_	Of course. Good big fans.	Jan 17 11:46
oiaohm	msb_: I live in area where room temp can be 40C so 125W TDP is water cooling.	Jan 17 11:46
oiaohm	msb_: anything above 120W you have to check envornment of operation.	Jan 17 11:47
oiaohm	msb_: because air cooling may no longer be enough.	Jan 17 11:47
msb_	Temperate Northern California.	Jan 17 11:48
msb_	And I use A/C.	Jan 17 11:49
oiaohm	Intel® Core™ i7-6600U Processor(4M Cache, up to 3.40 GHz) that is a mobile chip is only 15W TDP there are some arm chips in phones uses lower than this	Jan 17 11:49
msb_	No Intel for me. And the cpu I mentioned is at a price/power sweet spot.	Jan 17 11:51
oiaohm	msb_: what is annoying me is amd is suffering from same problem as past. Reason why AMD chip TDP is so high is the nm of production.	Jan 17 11:52
oiaohm	To keep up on performance AMD is over driving the nm circuit size so generating way too much heat.	Jan 17 11:53
cubexyz	oiaohm, remember voyager though :)	Jan 17 11:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: correct clockspeed for nm equals long life.	Jan 17 11:54
oiaohm	32nm is really not designed 4.0/4.2 GHz that is why FX 8350 is spitting out so much heat.	Jan 17 11:55
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msb_	The cpu has been around for a few years and works fine. If past experience holds, should serve me for 8 years. Maybe I'll buy two of them just in case. Only $175.	Jan 17 11:57
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oiaohm	msb_: Its not the CPU I am exactly worried about. Its the solder holding in the CPU sockets and parts around it.	Jan 17 11:58
msb_	The mobo is practically mil-spec.	Jan 17 11:59
oiaohm	msb_: 80W limit is about not risking solder damage.	Jan 17 11:59
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 11:59
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oiaohm	msb_: board layer to layer issues.	Jan 17 11:59
schestowitz	The new Croatian government is due to be confirmed on 22 January (next Friday - not Monday as originally stated).	Jan 17 11:59
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cubexyz	oiaohm, P3 katmai's were 250 nm	Jan 17 11:59
msb_	oiaohm: In reality (not your strong suit) the cpu and mobo work fine. Please stop your constant faultfinding with me.	Jan 17 12:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: that beast was only 50W TDP.	Jan 17 12:02
cubexyz	I do wonder how much smaller transistors can get	Jan 17 12:02
oiaohm	msb_: this is my strong suit in fact.	Jan 17 12:02
cubexyz	I heard smaller than 7 nm will experience quantum tunnelling	Jan 17 12:02
cubexyz	so I guess 7 nm is the current limit	Jan 17 12:03
oiaohm	msb_: I do rugged systems. So understand TDP effects on hardware is part of it.	Jan 17 12:03
oiaohm	msb_: using aircon does give you some more room. But gerneral calculations I use normally presume aircon is either non existant or broken.	Jan 17 12:04
msb_	oiaohm: I am an electronics, computer, and software engineer. I know physics. Leave me the hell alone.	Jan 17 12:05
oiaohm	msb_: and I have 80 years of mil data on hardware durabality behind me.	Jan 17 12:07
oiaohm	msb_: so this is field I know inside out.	Jan 17 12:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://wccftech.com/tsmc-euv-lithography-5-nm-chips/ 7nm is not the limit with currently researched tech 5nm is.	Jan 17 12:09
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oiaohm	cubexyz: now getting past 5nm that is a nightmare.	Jan 17 12:09
msb_	oiaohm: Tabulation for oiaohm: 1. systemd is necessary and good for Linux 2. cannabis is dangerous (despite the fact that people titrate to effect) 3. blunt head trauma is the best way for police to control crowds.	Jan 17 12:15
msb_	oiaohm: I do not want your advice. Please do not address any remarks to me.	Jan 17 12:15
oiaohm	msb_: over cannabis you had the active chemicals wrong.	Jan 17 12:17
oiaohm	msb_: so you did not know that it could be dangerous because a cell killing chemical could be way way too high.	Jan 17 12:17
msb_	oiaohm: No, you are a brain-damaged sick fuck who doesn't know, and probably never can know, what psychedelic consciousness is.	Jan 17 12:18
oiaohm	msb_: no you are a idiot.	Jan 17 12:19
oiaohm	msb_: studies have show that anything above 1.1 percent will trigger psychedelic consciousness stuff and that is in studies.	Jan 17 12:20
oiaohm	So 98 percent counter chemical with 1.1 percent active generates basically the same result without the toxicity.	Jan 17 12:20
msb_	oiaohm: STOP USING MY NICK IN YOUR POSTS!	Jan 17 12:21
oiaohm	msb_: normal IRC get over it. I can pull out the studies if you like that show 98 CBD with 1.1 percent TDP still results in person geting the psychedelic effects. Without the major risk of perminate cell damage.	Jan 17 12:23
msb_	Go kill yourself.	Jan 17 12:24
oiaohm	msb_: really you said CDB is to treat cancer. The reality is not. High CDB canabis is used because a way to get TDP cheaply with enough counter agent.	Jan 17 12:25
oiaohm	msb_: basically on cannabis you had nothing wrong and saying cannabis is genericly safe is wrong.	Jan 17 12:26
oiaohm	Or at least that is your point of view.	Jan 17 12:26
oiaohm	msb_: reality on cannabis you had nothing right.	Jan 17 12:27
oiaohm	Personally I think cannabis should be made legal because correct ratio stuff is safer than cigerates and is useful medically.	Jan 17 12:28
oiaohm	Of course make it death sentence to sell anything incorrect ratio.	Jan 17 12:28
oiaohm	msb_: really even the blunt trauma bit you take out of context. Really just get over yourself you would not have half the problem with me if you did understand the facts.	Jan 17 12:31
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6967543	Jan 17 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Erickson, Jonathan. "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three Strikes And You're Out"" http://www.ddj.com/184404225 https://web.archive.org/web/20070218115715/ http://www.ddj.com/184404225 #microsoft		Jan 17 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.drdobbs.com \| Embrace, Extend, Extinguish: Three Strikes And You're Out \| Dr Dobb's		Jan 17 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20070218115715/ )		Jan 17 12:36
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_XP_microprocessors Really after AMD experience with chips getting close to 80W and having increased motherboard failures should have taught them pushing CPU hard is extremely bad thing.	Jan 17 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| List of AMD Athlon XP microprocessors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/of90g ]		Jan 17 12:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This is the hardest Android quiz you'll ever	Jan 17 12:59
TweetTuxMachines	take https://t.co/6EAfAv7NXj	Jan 17 12:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidpit.com)	Jan 17 12:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpit.com \| This is the hardest Android quiz you'll ever take - AndroidPIT		Jan 17 12:59
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Introducing Phoenix OS, an Alternative to Remix OS...'		Jan 17 12:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/688715722449661952	Jan 17 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Well, if you take money from foreign countries to destabilise your own, you ARE a traitor.		Jan 17 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Years before the BlackBerry Priv, the Motorola	Jan 17 13:53
TweetTuxMachines	DROID PRO brought Android to the enterprise >	Jan 17 13:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/w3Rhg7rmGz (www.phonearena.com)	Jan 17 13:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of954	Jan 17 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com \| Years before the BlackBerry Priv, the Motorola DROID PRO brought Android to the enterprise		Jan 17 13:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dramatically improve your Android experience	Jan 17 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	with the Google Now Launcher	Jan 17 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Bmov4bzsMd (www.androidguys.com)	Jan 17 13:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidguys.com \| Dramatically improve your Android experience with the Google Now Launcher		Jan 17 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Anti-Competitive and Anti-Choice: the ‘New’	Jan 17 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Microsoft Reveals New Abusive Policies	Jan 17 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/YOw35O1dSS (techrights.org)	Jan 17 13:58
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*TweetTuxMachines @HomeMckee followed @tuxmachines		Jan 17 13:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Anti-Competitive and Anti-Choice: the ‘New’ Microsoft Reveals New Abusive Policies \| Techrights		Jan 17 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 17/1/2016: 4MLinux 16.0 Beta, Black Lab	Jan 17 14:18
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Linux 8 Alpha https://t.co/tI8hlgzeSJ	Jan 17 14:18
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Jan 17 14:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Below are articles that we wrote about what we	Jan 17 14:18
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by intentionally call (as a warning sigh) "Vista	Jan 17 14:18
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz 10"." https://t.co/uh0QkLYUv8 (techrights.org)	Jan 17 14:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 17/1/2016: 4MLinux 16.0 Beta, Black Lab Linux 8 Alpha \| Techrights		Jan 17 14:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights		Jan 17 14:18
*TweetTuxMachines @FFuqiang followed @tuxmachines		Jan 17 15:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shakedown Hawaii, the follow up to Retro City	Jan 17 15:34
TweetTuxMachines	Rampage should be on Linux	Jan 17 15:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YNvLL3qYAo (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 17 15:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Shakedown Hawaii, the follow up to Retro City Rampage should be on Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 17 15:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The new Master of Orion 4X strategy game might	Jan 17 15:44
TweetTuxMachines	see a Linux release https://t.co/U02g9GfheL	Jan 17 15:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 17 15:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The new Master of Orion 4X strategy game might see a Linux release \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 17 15:44
*TweetTuxMachines @yPAPAx favourited 'Shakedown Hawaii, the follow up to Retro City...'		Jan 17 15:44
schestowitz	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CY7iyjpWUAAZmhc.jpg:large	Jan 17 15:52
MinceR	"In 2291, in an attempt to control violence among deep space miners, the New Earth Government legalized no-holds-bared fighting."	Jan 17 15:54
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schestowitz	oh, look, pro-EPO spin:	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/breaking-news-from-epo-suepo-officials.html?showComment=1453035172877#c4862246746362101065	Jan 17 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: Breaking News from the EPO - SUEPO officials fired, downgraded [ http://ur1.ca/of9g0 ]		Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	Boohoo, cry me a river! Two employees have been fired.	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	Do you know how many get fired daily in the real world?	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	And judging from the letters published by Techrights, this was even justified after them harrassing colleagues.	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	Get real people, also staffreps can make mistakes. And they also get to pay the price.	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	No, I`m not a management troll, just being realistic.	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	Just sayin`	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	"	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	The letters and rebuttal show the opposite	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	Notice the troll's, "I`m not a management troll, just being realistic."	Jan 17 16:01
schestowitz	If you're not a troll, you don't need to state that	Jan 17 16:01
MinceR	no, he merely stated that he's a troll, but not from the management	Jan 17 16:02
schestowitz	yeah :-)	Jan 17 16:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3 Is Soon Turning Five Years Old: How Are	Jan 17 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	You Liking It? https://t.co/dmuw5R3wGy	Jan 17 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of9ps	Jan 17 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| GNOME 3 Is Soon Turning Five Years Old: How Are You Liking It? - Phoronix		Jan 17 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3 Is Soon Turning Five Years Old: How Are	Jan 17 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	You Liking It? https://t.co/tUJ1nYJ8vk	Jan 17 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/of9pt	Jan 17 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME 3 Is Soon Turning Five Years Old: How Are You Liking It? \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 17:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/688782747867987968	Jan 17 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Transparancy as a money making tool: NYPD charging TV network $36,000 for body cam footage @arstechnica @schestowitz https://t.co/LUSI1k0Y3G		Jan 17 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| Police department charging TV news network $36,000 for body cam footage \| Ars Technica		Jan 17 18:03
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/688787653999878144	Jan 17 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @zoobab @schestowitz what we need is focus on true SW freedom. Freedom to tinker. And standards as a good thing.		Jan 17 19:02
schestowitz	social engineering, when the engineers overcome those who abuse their power	Jan 17 19:02
oiaohm	schestowitz: social engineering is double sided sword. engineers can abuse their power as well.	Jan 17 19:26
oiaohm	schestowitz: Social Engineering term comes from all people Adolf Hitler. http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199689590.001.0001/acprof-9780199689590	Jan 17 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oxfordscholarship.com \| Visions of Community in Nazi Germany - Oxford Scholarship [ http://ur1.ca/ofa0a ]		Jan 17 19:29
oiaohm	schestowitz: yes where the term comes from is one of the worst examples on how Social Engineering can be abused.	Jan 17 19:30
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schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/breaking-news-from-epo-suepo-officials.html?showComment=1453045328427#c565632492490759436	Jan 17 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: Breaking News from the EPO - SUEPO officials fired, downgraded [ http://ur1.ca/ofa3f ]		Jan 17 20:00
schestowitz	"Good point! That would most possibly align the EPO policies with the national host countries laws, international law and human rights... and of course avoid conflicting situations as we experience now! "	Jan 17 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Contributing to Open Source Projects and Code	Jan 17 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OhbQHTHQvX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa6a	Jan 17 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Contributing to Open Source Projects and Code \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 20:30
schestowitz	OT:	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> I've donated a small amount to the SFC today. It's not much but it's	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> what I have available.	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> They're unique in that they are active in supporting and defending Free	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> Software licensing, in particular the GPL.	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/dec/24/private-internet-access-match/	Jan 17 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org \| Conservancy announces funding match by Private Internet Access - Software Freedom Conservancy [ http://ur1.ca/ofa54 ]		Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> They have a matching programme in effect through the end of the month,	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>>> >> so current donations count double until then.	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>> > If ever we have financial problems in tuxmachines and techrights (wife	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>> > and I work for the same employer, so it's volatile) I hope that readers	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	>> > who benefit from both would be willing to jump to our rescue...	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	> I hope so. Both TM and TR have large reader populations. TM has grown	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	> a lot since your wife and you took it over.	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	Yes, we needed to add varnish, 16 GB of RAM to the back end, and other things to cope with the growing load, which is still increasing (I haven't blogged about it there for a while, lack of time, may look like showfoff)	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	Susan told me/expressed to me a certain occasional regret that she had sold the site, but she trusts it in our hands. Rianne works really hard to keep it up to date and make it FASTER (to pick emerging news) than any other news site. Now sure everyone really appreciated it. And she isn't doing it for money, she's like me...	Jan 17 20:35
schestowitz	I didn't even have to 'incite' her against Microsoft to make her hate Microsoft. She learned that on her own. She really hates Apple too, maybe more than I do...	Jan 17 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RockWork Project Provides Amazing Pebble	Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	Support on Ubuntu Touch https://t.co/t15vYzTfad	Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 17 20:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| RockWork Project Provides Amazing Pebble Support on Ubuntu Touch		Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Still Has the Best and Most	Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	Complete App Permissions	Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/JE93ZqsrYu (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 17 20:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch Still Has the Best and Most Complete App Permissions		Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Yes, Mesa Is Working Towards GLVND Support	Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/H72U1SIGoJ (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 20:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Yes, Mesa Is Working Towards GLVND Support - Phoronix		Jan 17 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/SDz80iYubk	Jan 17 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 20:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/I6rEK7LFLW	Jan 17 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofa8j	Jan 17 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch App Permissions, RockWork	Jan 17 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Vjeiiyt7Mx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 20:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch App Permissions, RockWork \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 20:54
*TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu Touch App Permissions, RockWork https://t.co/Vjeiiyt7Mx'		Jan 17 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Features & Changes Merged So Far For The Linux	Jan 17 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	4.5 Kernel https://t.co/Cea89gXhNg	Jan 17 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 20:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Features & Changes Merged So Far For The Linux 4.5 Kernel - Phoronix		Jan 17 20:56
*TweetTuxMachines @ptheoiasptk retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu Touch Still Has the Best and Most...'		Jan 17 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Play Store Now Has a Category for	Jan 17 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	Android Wear https://t.co/fOAtqfXO81	Jan 17 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	(neurogadget.com)	Jan 17 21:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neurogadget.com \| Google Play Store Now Has a Category for Android Wear - Neurogadget.com		Jan 17 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AsteroidOS: Open source smartwatch operating	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	system that can replace Android Wear (on some	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	watches) https://t.co/aetLrTcnT9	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	(liliputing.com)	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaav	Jan 17 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liliputing.com \| AsteroidOS: Open source smartwatch operating system that can replace Android Wear (on some watches) - Liliputing		Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 12 Years After Launch, The GeForce 6 Can Still	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	Run On Modern Linux Distributions	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Z84lSkxZgJ (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofaaw	Jan 17 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| 12 Years After Launch, The GeForce 6 Can Still Run On Modern Linux Distributions - Phoronix		Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines First Krita 3.0 pre-alpha!	Jan 17 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/tgoXdUG3Zk (krita.org)	Jan 17 21:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org \| First Krita 3.0 pre-alpha! \| Krita		Jan 17 21:13
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MinceR	"Red Hat are a fine vendor of honeypots, but I'm not quite sure why people	Jan 17 21:37
MinceR	use it as an operating system."	Jan 17 21:37
MinceR	- pndc in irc.scsys.co.uk#chat	Jan 17 21:37
sebsebseb	MinceR: bonjour	Jan 17 21:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 2016 Has Been Off To A Great Start For	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	Open-Source & Linux https://t.co/bk4baUdKfh	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 17 21:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| 2016 Has Been Off To A Great Start For Open-Source & Linux - Phoronix		Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines High Performance computing and parallel	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	computing amateur linux test lab	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oy57uPCX1R	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	(bsdpunk.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 17 21:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsdpunk.blogspot.co.uk \| BSD Punk: High Performance computing and parallel computing amateur linux test lab		Jan 17 21:48
MinceR	sebsebseb: aloha	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS 2.0 "Brewmaster" 1080p Review - The	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	First Update in 2016: OS For Gamers From Valve	Jan 17 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SdfzfcNUSv (www.youtube.com)	Jan 17 21:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| SteamOS 2.0 "Brewmaster" 1080p Review - The First Update in 2016: OS For Gamers From Valve - YouTube		Jan 17 21:48
sebsebseb	MinceR: I am happy :)	Jan 17 21:51
oiaohm	MinceR: I don't like redhat blind trust when with Debian you do have means to look under the hood of the QA process to see what is happening and what is not happening.	Jan 17 21:59
MinceR	well, i've seen enough of that too	Jan 17 22:00
oiaohm	MinceR: some distrobutions I don't like because it what QA process.	Jan 17 22:01
oiaohm	https://reproducible.debian.net/reproducible.html this is coming along nicely.	Jan 17 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://reproducible.debian.net/reproducible.html )		Jan 17 22:08
MinceR	but for what	Jan 17 22:09
MinceR	it's still lendows	Jan 17 22:10
MinceR	and even if they unfucked that, you could still count on them to pull the platform out from under you when rathat tells their gnomes to whistle	Jan 17 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Superpowers, a HTML5 development environment	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	for 2D & 3D games now open source	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Q8pKFera6x (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofahm	Jan 17 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Superpowers, a HTML5 development environment for 2D & 3D games now open source \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics (Coreboot, Linux	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	4.5, Nvidia, Mesa) https://t.co/75Cb08mJTv	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofahn	Jan 17 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics (Coreboot, Linux 4.5, Nvidia, Mesa) \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/Pov9lGRDb1	Jan 17 22:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 17 22:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 17 22:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming (OmniBus, SteamOS 2.0,	Jan 17 22:16
TweetTuxMachines	Superpowers) https://t.co/LAM1ocpbnT	Jan 17 22:16
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cubexyz	wasn't too pleased to see this on fossforce:	Jan 18 06:59
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/dun-dun-dun-fossforce-microsoft-ad.png	Jan 18 06:59
msb_	Fossforce is either ignorant or bought. Not long ago it had an article by one of their staff writers about how he was switching from Linux to BSD because Linus Torvalds was too harsh in his criticism of kernal programmers. IOW he was backing one of the big attacks on Linux: 1. systemd 2. UEFI 3. KDE5/Plasma 4. SJW attack on Linus.	Jan 18 07:40
cubexyz	Torvalds can be pretty harsh	Jan 18 07:40
msb_	But he's improved a lot lately in response to the criticisms.	Jan 18 07:41
cubexyz	they could have locked out microsoft domains from adsense	Jan 18 07:42
cubexyz	I suggested that, but they didn't agree	Jan 18 07:42
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cubexyz	I may drop adsense completely	Jan 18 07:43
cubexyz	I find it usually takes people around 10 years to really change their thinking	Jan 18 07:44
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cubexyz	many times I've made suggestions that were initially ignored, but people do mull it over	Jan 18 07:44
cubexyz	it took me 9 years from my initial use of linux in 1994 to make Linux my main OS	Jan 18 07:45
cubexyz	people didn't really choose windows either	Jan 18 07:47
cubexyz	it was just there	Jan 18 07:47
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msb_	There is one phenomenon that causes all the problems of humanity -- a social/psychological illness cause by stress in childhood. It is so ubiquitous that people aren't aware of it, like fish being unaware of water. Wilhelm Reich characterized it and called it The Emotional Plague. For this he was imprisoned by the US govt and murdered.	Jan 18 07:51
msb_	The Plague is the cause of microsoft, apple, mass murders (wars), enormous income inequality, widespread starvation, etc.	Jan 18 07:52
msb_	Try getting people to understand _that_!	Jan 18 07:53
msb_	cause->caused	Jan 18 07:53
cubexyz	I think people are aware of income inequality	Jan 18 07:54
msb_	Yes, but they are not aware of this ubiquitous illness that causes people to be unkind to each other.	Jan 18 07:55
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msb_	It propagates to each new generation because of emotional maltreatment of children by Plague-programmed parents, and also Plague-inspired cultural elements like JCI religion/the "bible" and predatory capitalism.	Jan 18 07:58
cubexyz	do you think people are more selfish than say 50 years ago?	Jan 18 08:00
cubexyz	does society value honesty and being truthful?	Jan 18 08:00
cubexyz	just imagine being kind and nice and still being kicked in the arse	Jan 18 08:01
cubexyz	Kali Yuga :)	Jan 18 08:04
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msb_	Are the packages binary or do they all have to be compiled?	Jan 18 10:10
cubexyz	in vector the packages are binary, pretty sure it's the same in slackware proper	Jan 18 10:12
cubexyz	I don't see any simple way to avoid windows completely for non technical people besides chromebooks/boxes	Jan 18 10:14
cubexyz	of course there's Mac OS X	Jan 18 10:14
msb_	Why can't ex-windows people use a good Linux?	Jan 18 10:15
cubexyz	well they can.... I just don't think they will	Jan 18 10:15
cubexyz	I've dealt with a lot of customers who are mentally entrenched on windows	Jan 18 10:16
msb_	Anyhow, Volkerding has not sworn off systemd. I just asked in irc.	Jan 18 10:16
oiaohm	I can answer why ex-windows people cannot just use Linux.	Jan 18 10:19
oiaohm	1 Vendor lockin.	Jan 18 10:20
cubexyz	can not is wrong, it's will not	Jan 18 10:20
cubexyz	of course they can	Jan 18 10:20
cubexyz	and it's stupid to flock to Mac OS X, in my opinion	Jan 18 10:20
oiaohm	Mac OS X has photoshop and more complete MS Office.	Jan 18 10:21
oiaohm	Vendor Lockin done by government departments are other places become a major problem.	Jan 18 10:21
cubexyz	I'm talking about your own personal computer	Jan 18 10:22
cubexyz	that's why I write foss-matrix.txt, so people would know what to avoid	Jan 18 10:22
oiaohm	cubexyz: submitting ones own tax return in particular countries require Windows software.	Jan 18 10:22
oiaohm	That includes where I live.	Jan 18 10:22
cubexyz	oiaohm, middleware should solve that problem	Jan 18 10:22
cubexyz	I do my taxes on firefox online no problem	Jan 18 10:22
cubexyz	as long as you can use the browser I see no problem	Jan 18 10:23
oiaohm	cubexyz: Australia tax office does not have a online option yet to use browser.	Jan 18 10:23
oiaohm	And it not the only country like this.	Jan 18 10:24
oiaohm	Insanity is OS X and Linux users in Australia get to write off a copy of MS Windows todo their tax return with.	Jan 18 10:24
oiaohm	Now that is only 1 field. To use particular Ebook publishers/print shops they demard the usage of closed source windows/os x only software.	Jan 18 10:25
cubexyz	http://www.etax.com.au	Jan 18 10:25
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cubexyz	maybe that's a service though	Jan 18 10:26
cubexyz	In Canada I've been filing tax returns for a while	Jan 18 10:27
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is a third party provided service not the governement. So your tax return done that way is not linked to your my gov login.	Jan 18 10:27
cubexyz	since 2009 at least	Jan 18 10:27
oiaohm	cubexyz: being linked to your my gov login is required to avoid pention payments and other things screwing up.	Jan 18 10:28
oiaohm	cubexyz: lets just say the Australian system has many people over a barrel and it suxs.	Jan 18 10:28
oiaohm	So the vendor lockings are serous problems.	Jan 18 10:29
cubexyz	I am seeing a lot of complaints	Jan 18 10:29
cubexyz	oiaohm, you should complain to your government	Jan 18 10:34
cubexyz	it's 2016 after all	Jan 18 10:34
cubexyz	it's cited here that ATO spent AU $45 million on etax so it would work on windows, mac, linux, mobile and web platforms	Jan 18 10:36
oiaohm	cubexyz: as I said currently. I know they are working on it and I have been complaining for the past 20 years.	Jan 18 10:39
oiaohm	Problem one for people failing to migratate is still these stupid vendor lockin things.	Jan 18 10:40
oiaohm	2 Linux inconsistyancy. Simple things like the default font that all applications should use to show text not defined to be in a single location.	Jan 18 10:42
oiaohm	This inconsistency comes as a cultural shock to Windows users.	Jan 18 10:43
oiaohm	3 Windows users expecting almost complete GUI configuration and Linux being still for configuring drivers and other thing still very command line/console.	Jan 18 10:44
oiaohm	cubexyz: so a very big case of culture shock when they migrate.	Jan 18 10:44
cubexyz	I seem to remember the human race working before windows existed	Jan 18 10:45
cubexyz	you're making it sound like people are so brain washed that they can't function without windows	Jan 18 10:46
oiaohm	One of the reason why I see the possibility Android getting more market share on desktop than general Linux is that the last 2 issues are addressed in Android yet not address in something like debian/ubuntu	Jan 18 10:46
cubexyz	it's all just programming	Jan 18 10:46
cubexyz	now no datasheets for chips, that's a problem	Jan 18 10:47
cubexyz	secret protocols, that sort of thing does worry me	Jan 18 10:47
oiaohm	cubexyz: of course number 4 is hardware compatibility.	Jan 18 10:47
cubexyz	but assuming you have the datasheets for the chips, it's all just programming	Jan 18 10:47
oiaohm	Like it stupid that closed source Nvidia/AMD drivers on Linux expose less opengl function than Windows or OS X drivers for the same card.	Jan 18 10:48
cubexyz	hardware compatibility seems to be to be a highly artificial thing	Jan 18 10:48
oiaohm	Those 4 cover fairly much all the reason why a Windows user to Linux user migration goes south.	Jan 18 10:49
cubexyz	everything operates on international standards... everything	Jan 18 10:49
cubexyz	Microsoft tries to muck that up	Jan 18 10:49
oiaohm	Also there has been the stupidity under Linux install Nvidia or AMD/ATI closed source drivers and have them replace the libopengl where under windows they would proxy under Microsoft common opengl and direct x libraries.	Jan 18 10:50
cubexyz	I think radeon is all open source	Jan 18 10:51
oiaohm	cubexyz: depends on the card.	Jan 18 10:51
oiaohm	Some radeon cards still don't work with the open source drivers.	Jan 18 10:51
oiaohm	Yes multi GPU not working under X11 was not the X11 server alone but mostly how closed source drivers installed under Linux.	Jan 18 10:52
oiaohm	So in the hardware side Linux does have some horrible issues that need addressing.	Jan 18 10:52
cubexyz	oiaohm, you can't say windows is this perfect thing with no problems because I see people with windows problems every day	Jan 18 10:53
cubexyz	major computer stopping issues, not just small stuff	Jan 18 10:54
oiaohm	Of course if you go out and buy hardware to match Linux instead of attempt to recycling pre existing random-ally compatible improves stuff a lot.	Jan 18 10:54
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-botch-up.txt	Jan 18 10:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: I have not said Windows is without it problems.	Jan 18 10:54
cubexyz	I'd say it's worse than linux	Jan 18 10:55
cubexyz	I don't even want to touch windows	Jan 18 10:55
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cubexyz	ok, back in a few mins	Jan 18 10:55
cubexyz	got to put out the recycling...	Jan 18 10:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: level of Windows problems is making Android, ChromeOS and OS X very tempting to users. Of course I wish I could say general Linux Desktop was at the same level of user tempation.	Jan 18 11:07
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cubexyz	wow the ffmpeg compile actually worked (after a few adjustments)	Jan 18 11:14
oiaohm	cubexyz: really Microsoft for home users who are using windows 7 and 8.1 pushing out updates that remove settings that prevent the update to 10 nag screens.	Jan 18 11:15
oiaohm	I somehow thing Microsoft is over estemating how much their users will tollerate.	Jan 18 11:16
oiaohm	thing/think	Jan 18 11:16
msb_	Linux computers have been put into public libraries, and people come in and use them and don't even know they're not using windows. Probably most of them don't even know what an OS is.	Jan 18 11:24
msb_	Give them a good gui like kde3.5.10 and they just use what they see and compensate for any differences from what they're used to.	Jan 18 11:25
oiaohm	msb_: difference here public space setups like that people are not attempting to be administrator themselves. Yes a lot of cost savings can be done in business due to that fact.	Jan 18 11:28
msb_	Yes, installation is harder, but local Linux User Groups will usually to that for free if you bring the computer to a meeting. Then teach them how to use irc and where their distro channel is, and they should be ok.	Jan 18 11:30
msb_	to->do	Jan 18 11:31
oiaohm	msb_: that is the problem in places Like Australia that is spread out small towns and cities. Lots and lots of places don't have local Linux User Groups.	Jan 18 11:31
oiaohm	So interface does need to improve as it is being a barrier.	Jan 18 11:32
msb_	Then get on the phone and talk them thru it.	Jan 18 11:33
oiaohm	To be truthful a lot of places you are luck to have a decent phone line let alone internet still in Australia.	Jan 18 11:34
oiaohm	msb_: talking someone through a computer problem one a phone that sounds like you are in a major echo chamber is no fun.	Jan 18 11:36
oiaohm	So OS that is relieable and straight forward to configure with all major need documentation and walk throughs included would have a serous place in the world still.	Jan 18 11:37
oiaohm	I know some rural places that switched to Libreoffice from MS Office simply due to current libreoffice having proper offline help and current MS Office wanting todo everything on-line what is no help when internet connection is unstable.	Jan 18 11:39
oiaohm	For some reason ADSL does not like phone lines running above ground exposed regular near by lightning storms.	Jan 18 11:40
oiaohm	msb_: this is a sad but true fact. If your phone line is damaged under ground in australia you might end up with an above ground bipass for 3 years before a crew gets to you to dig the cable back into the ground properly.	Jan 18 11:41
oiaohm	So forget the idea of dependable phone line/internet.	Jan 18 11:41
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msb_	oiaohm: Everything I say, you come up with some reason why it won't work I say help someone install Linux over the phone, you say Oz doesn't have functional phones. What I said works for almost everybody. OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 11:51
oiaohm	I just gave you the real conditions I have to deal with. Even in a capital city here it taken 3 years to get a phone line to a house properly fixed.	Jan 18 11:54
oiaohm	msb_: this is not stalking you. This is more pointing out that the real world conditions are not very clean at all.	Jan 18 11:55
oiaohm	Due to what real world conditions are there is a serous need for operating systems that are simpler to setup and maintain.	Jan 18 11:57
oiaohm	Why is Australia phone system such a mess. Someone drank the cool aid that making phone services run by private companies would some how improve effenency. Result is a system that has very poor maintainance responses.	Jan 18 11:59
oiaohm	msb_: the problem here you are suggesting bandade solutions then claim hey that will work for everyone. Failing to understand what you suggesting use to work in Australia and due to 1 change the privatisation of phone systems without suitable regulation of quality does not work.	Jan 18 12:07
msb_	oiaohm: What I said works for almost everybody. OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:08
oiaohm	If you class working is 1/6 of the global population.	Jan 18 12:09
oiaohm	Sorry almost everyone is not in fact true msb_	Jan 18 12:09
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:10
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oiaohm	msb_: this is not stalking you. This is a techincal channel and you keep on saying stuff that does not in fact match up to reality.	Jan 18 12:10
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:10
oiaohm	That 1/6 number is reality for the idea of phone support.	Jan 18 12:11
oiaohm	msb_: and if anyone else had said the same bogus I would have pulled them up as well. I am not treating you different to anyone else.	Jan 18 12:13
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:13
oiaohm	msb_: stop accusing me of something I am absolutley not doing.	Jan 18 12:14
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:14
oiaohm	Have you not noticed I have pulled schestowitz, cubexyz and others up for also bogus stuff.	Jan 18 12:15
oiaohm	You happen to be here you happen to say a wrong fact I pull you up end of story.	Jan 18 12:16
oiaohm	msb_: putting your name first comes out of doing support in #winehq and other places and having to answer 5 to 6 people at once at times. So it comes a habit and its a normal IRC habit.	Jan 18 12:17
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:18
oiaohm	msb_: Repeatily saying that will not make it true.	Jan 18 12:18
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:19
oiaohm	msb_: if anyone stalking anyone its you stalking me. Do I bring up over and over again so called mistakes you have made as you have been attempting to do on me.	Jan 18 12:19
oiaohm	msb_: I correct you then let it slide.	Jan 18 12:19
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:19
oiaohm	msb_: reality stop STALKING ME	Jan 18 12:20
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:20
oiaohm	I know what the problem is msb_ is not in fact in all the related channels to see that error correction is normal.	Jan 18 12:22
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:22
oiaohm	schestowitz: I know you don't do it often but I do think msb_ needs a lesson in the rules of do not spam to attempt to win a point.	Jan 18 12:24
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:24
oiaohm	msb_: I would recommend you go and reed freenode behaviour policy because what you are doing now can get you klined from services.	Jan 18 12:26
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME!	Jan 18 12:26
oiaohm	msb_: https://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml << "Avoid highlighting and repetition. Words and sentences in all-uppercase, heavy use of highlighting, beeping (^G) on public channels, repeating the same lines over and over--all of these behaviors irritate people and raise the channel temperature."	Jan 18 12:31
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oiaohm	msb_: so what you are currently doing like it or not is breach of channel behaviour rules.	Jan 18 12:32
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE!	Jan 18 12:32
oiaohm	msb_: Read the line in the rules. All-uppercase is to be avoided. Freenode has rules and everything I have done is inside the rules. About time you learn to stick to the services rules as well.	Jan 18 12:35
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE!	Jan 18 12:36
oiaohm	Little point please stop accusing me of STALKING as 1 was in this channel long before you. 2 the way I treat you is no different to the way I treat others here to say the same kinds of mistakes 3 I have not attempted to join any other channel you are part of. So there is no STALKING behavour.	Jan 18 12:42
schestowitz	msb_: chill man	Jan 18 12:42
schestowitz	if you don't want to engage with him, don't	Jan 18 12:42
schestowitz	there's no "stalking" afaict	Jan 18 12:43
schestowitz	just take a break, post something linux-related	Jan 18 12:43
schestowitz	let's get back on subject	Jan 18 12:43
schestowitz	not legalisation of some drugs, which puts us at a contentious point anyway...	Jan 18 12:44
msb_	schestowitz: Please ask oiaohm to stop objecting to everything I say, to stop correcting me, to stop telling me how to behave. I have not responded to anything he has said except to tell him to leave me alone and stop stalking me.	Jan 18 12:45
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msb_	schestowitz: In this case I said that windows users could ask a Linux User Group to install Linux on their computer. oiaohm said some countries don't have nearby LUGs. I said then help them over the phone to install it. oiaohm said Australia does not have reliable phone service. See what he's doing? He objects to everything I say. Please ask him to stop.	Jan 18 12:48
oiaohm	msb_: 1 I am a channel op on other channels. So point out miss behaviour as per Free-node rules is normal for me. If I don't I end up with cases of people saying hey you found that acceptable in X channel and you know banned me how could you do that.	Jan 18 12:50
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msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE!	Jan 18 12:51
oiaohm	msb_: not that schestowitz said I am not stalking you.	Jan 18 12:52
oiaohm	not/note	Jan 18 12:52
msb_	oiaohm: OIAOHM, STOP STALKING ME! LEAVE ME ALONE! STOP USING MY NICK IN YOUR POSTS!	Jan 18 12:52
oiaohm	msb_: number 1 it cuts both ways. You are using my oiaohm at start in your posts and then you are accusing me of something I am not doing.	Jan 18 12:54
oiaohm	All I did is what this meant to happen in this channel if a errors are said you are meant to correct them.	Jan 18 12:54
oiaohm	I was clean that I knew what you said did not line up to Australian reality.	Jan 18 12:55
cubexyz	reverting to ffmpeg-0.6.7	Jan 18 12:57
cubexyz	no way fc1 will be able to run new ffmpeg	Jan 18 12:57
oiaohm	cubexyz: there is but you will end up with more back ported libraries than what is sane.	Jan 18 12:58
cubexyz	oiaohm, I think I would have to update glibc	Jan 18 12:59
cubexyz	I don't think I want to try that	Jan 18 12:59
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep custom installing glibc into a special path just for ffmpeg same way you make old loki games work on newer Linux but reversed. As I said possible but insane.	Jan 18 13:00
cubexyz	I'll try this older ffmpeg first	Jan 18 13:00
cubexyz	if it does rtmp streaming then that's good enough	Jan 18 13:00
cubexyz	maybe could I compile ffmpeg statically	Jan 18 13:02
cubexyz	ffplay 0.4.9-pre1 is pretty old	Jan 18 13:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/689067085968846849	Jan 18 13:04
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oiaohm	cubexyz: not exactly healthy. ffmpeg modular keeps it memory foot print down by unloading libraries when it no longer needs them.	Jan 18 13:06
oiaohm	cubexyz: of course static ffmpeg undoes that. So going static you might be in for a ram usage surprise.	Jan 18 13:07
cubexyz	one time I had a really hard look at libc.a in Unix	Jan 18 13:08
cubexyz	and I discovered something	Jan 18 13:08
cubexyz	part of the source code was missing... it was impossible to rebuild libc.a	Jan 18 13:08
cubexyz	so I built a different libc.a and called it something else	Jan 18 13:09
cubexyz	one guy (Original Unix guy) told me to recreate the missing c files from *.o files	Jan 18 13:10
cubexyz	actually I thought the missing files were assembly language files	Jan 18 13:11
cubexyz	one of the files was even missing from v6	Jan 18 13:12
cubexyz	but it's this arcane thing snstat.s	Jan 18 13:13
cubexyz	no one alive remembers what it even does	Jan 18 13:13
cubexyz	anyways, discounting the arcane snstat.s file, the other three missing files were:	Jan 18 13:15
cubexyz	alloc.s, getpid.s and ladd.s	Jan 18 13:15
cubexyz	ed used getpid to help create the temporary file as a workspace	Jan 18 13:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=bzTAMKnT3YUC&pg=PA399&lpg=PA399&dq=snstat+function&source=bl&ots=MysamjcsHe&sig=BsmL75RwMl6cn09yE7Q9nJfcCD8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilm-6NurPKAhVU5GMKHatVD1IQ6AEIIDAA#v=onepage&q=snstat%20function&f=false	Jan 18 13:22
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oiaohm	cubexyz: I guess snstat is not aligned to Microcontroller Snstat	Jan 18 13:22
cubexyz	coincedence I'd say	Jan 18 13:24
cubexyz	since this snstat is from the PDP-11 world	Jan 18 13:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: snstat in micro controllers trace all the way back to transistor based computers.	Jan 18 13:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: so it would have been something existing in the time of PDP-11.	Jan 18 13:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: but of course that function could be something completely different.	Jan 18 13:25
cubexyz	I have a vague idea what snstat.s is	Jan 18 13:26
cubexyz	It's a C interface to spider status call	Jan 18 13:26
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cubexyz	I spoke too soon :)	Jan 18 13:34
cubexyz	in fact there is a surviving piece of code after all	Jan 18 13:34
cubexyz	but it's Unix v4 era code	Jan 18 13:35
cubexyz	tiu.c	Jan 18 13:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: you and code grave yard raiding. Really writing a book of the jigsaw could make a good read.	Jan 18 14:06
cubexyz	I'm working on that	Jan 18 14:06
cubexyz	I just wonder if anyone will want to read it :)	Jan 18 14:06
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cubexyz	there is no working Unix v4 as far as I know	Jan 18 14:07
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cubexyz	oiaohm, it worked :)	Jan 18 14:17
cubexyz	the old ffmpeg can stream rtmp using ffplay	Jan 18 14:17
cubexyz	now I can stream australian open tennis radio on the old box	Jan 18 14:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689091401385115648	Jan 18 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz @Telegraph Even broken clocks are right at least twice a day.		Jan 18 14:29
schestowitz	At most	Jan 18 14:30
oiaohm	schestowitz: people forget there are such thing as 24 hour clocks.	Jan 18 14:31
XRevan86	(17:30:13) oiaohm: schestowitz: people forget there are such thing as 24 hour clocks.	Jan 18 14:32
XRevan86	or do you mean analog rounded clocks?	Jan 18 14:32
oiaohm	XRevan86: http://ferkeltongs.livejournal.com/36976.html round clock with 24 hours on it instead of the normal 12.	Jan 18 14:33
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oiaohm	There are even some pocket watches that are 24 hour not 12.	Jan 18 14:33
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XRevan86	oiaohm: I suspect they are less precise than 12 hour ones.	Jan 18 15:05
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XRevan86	Although these days analog clocks are not for accuracy anyway :).	Jan 18 15:06
cubexyz	stupid ffplay	Jan 18 15:19
cubexyz	tell it not to open a display and it does anyway	Jan 18 15:19
XRevan86	cubexyz: X11 display?	Jan 18 15:19
cubexyz	yes	Jan 18 15:19
XRevan86	cubexyz: Can you just DISPLAY= it? %)	Jan 18 15:20
cubexyz	if I try -nodisp and -vn it opens the x11 display anyways	Jan 18 15:20
cubexyz	a blank window	Jan 18 15:20
XRevan86	cubexyz: DISPLAY= ffplay	Jan 18 15:21
XRevan86	It can't open anything that way	Jan 18 15:21
cubexyz	now I get "Could not initialize SDL - No available video device"	Jan 18 15:22
cubexyz	so frustrating	Jan 18 15:24
XRevan86	Hmm, -nodisp worked for mw	Jan 18 15:26
XRevan86	me	Jan 18 15:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: Apparently a bug that was fixed years ago.	Jan 18 15:26
cubexyz	I have to run old on fc1 as you can imagine	Jan 18 15:26
cubexyz	so old ffplay	Jan 18 15:27
cubexyz	if I knew what the bug fix was I could backport it	Jan 18 15:29
cubexyz	it doesn't open an X11 window at all with your version of ffplay?	Jan 18 15:32
MinceR	analog clocks are impractical	Jan 18 15:50
cubexyz	cars have them	Jan 18 15:51
MinceR	not mine	Jan 18 15:54
cubexyz	this isn't some eightysomobile is it? :)	Jan 18 15:55
cubexyz	fixed ffplay :))))))))))	Jan 18 15:56
cubexyz	stupid programmers turn the damned video back on!	Jan 18 15:56
oiaohm	MinceR: 24 hour analogue watch has a practical usage. Point hour hand at sun depending on what hemisphere you are in the 0/24 hour mark is either north or south as long as the watch is on local time. Yes they are fairly simple to set from sun dials as well.	Jan 18 15:56
MinceR	no, nineties	Jan 18 15:57
MinceR	oiaohm: i have digital compasses	Jan 18 15:58
MinceR	also, sun dials won't show you timezone-correct time and they're even less accurate to read	Jan 18 15:58
oiaohm	MinceR: some of the hills I go through digital compasses and gps are fairly much worthless.	Jan 18 15:59
cubexyz	henceforth I will be using ffplay_novideo	Jan 18 16:00
MinceR	oiaohm: what do you do if you can't see the sun?	Jan 18 16:02
MinceR	also, how is GPS worthless there?	Jan 18 16:02
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oiaohm	MinceR: due to the metal shadows in the one area the GPS reads 482 sats when only 4 are over head.	Jan 18 16:03
MinceR	:)	Jan 18 16:03
oiaohm	So basically your GPS bricks.	Jan 18 16:03
oiaohm	All that metal means a magnetic compass is also completely worthless.	Jan 18 16:04
oiaohm	MinceR: Gyro compasses and solar calculated north is all you can use in those horrible areas.	Jan 18 16:06
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689227392938852352	Jan 18 23:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz so is it all open source or just parts? I hope the first but I fear the latter.		Jan 18 23:42
schestowitz	They claim to be FOSS	Jan 18 23:43
schestowitz	MinceR: Sanderstrike https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7rbIIhqUSfXlBq4o/giphy.gif	Jan 18 23:44
schestowitz	Came up with the word, I guess...	Jan 18 23:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/689231739714154496	Jan 18 23:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz completely? That's not clear to me.		Jan 18 23:44
schestowitz	Maybe like Jolla/SailfishOS, only some parts	Jan 18 23:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Update 2016-01-18 (stable)	Jan 19 01:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where would we be without Ubuntu	Jan 19 01:47
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oiaohm	msb_: but as even you said there are other drugs that don't cause cell death that can cause the same state.	Jan 19 11:32
msb_	I did not say that any of the cannabinoids cause cell death.	Jan 19 11:33
oiaohm	THC is used in cancer treatment because it does trigger cell death.	Jan 19 11:34
oiaohm	Fun part is mulated cells can have removed the means for CBD to protect them.	Jan 19 11:35
msb_	Quote yourself where you said that THC causes the psychedelic state.	Jan 19 11:35
oiaohm	THC also causes depression.	Jan 19 11:35
oiaohm	That other alteranives to it dont	Jan 19 11:36
oiaohm	THC is not a friendly chemical.	Jan 19 11:36
msb_	Quote yourself where you said that THC causes the psychedelic state.	Jan 19 11:36
oiaohm	psychedelic state with depression can equal jump off roof or equal.	Jan 19 11:37
msb_	You can't, because you never said it.	Jan 19 11:37
oiaohm	It was in the links I gave.	Jan 19 11:37
msb_	Yeah, sure.	Jan 19 11:38
oiaohm	No Yeah sure about It I have the complete logs here.	Jan 19 11:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/scruffy_crunch/status/689410107952652288	Jan 19 11:39
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oiaohm	msb_: THC has three side effects. Imparement to memory, depression and psychedelic state caused by the imparment. CDB has 2 major states. Improved memory and Improved mood. So CDB is anti-depression.	Jan 19 11:41
oiaohm	msb_: so you want your THC with enough CDB to counter imparement to memory and depression.	Jan 19 11:43
msb_	Your statement is ridiculous. The psychedelic (mind-manifesting) state is _not_ caused by memory impairment and depression. But if it were, and CDB blocked those effects, then according to you the THC would not have the psychedelic effect.	Jan 19 11:47
oiaohm	Its that you don't understand it. CDB undoing the effects means THC is not as long lasting not that the effect cannot be generated. Issues come from THC remaining in place too long.	Jan 19 11:49
msb_	CDB->CBD	Jan 19 11:49
oiaohm	I hate dyslexia.	Jan 19 11:50
msb_	Your statement has no discernible meaning.	Jan 19 11:51
oiaohm	THC goes into receptors right you want to be cleared out in a timely manor that is what CDB achives. So preventing the worst problems.	Jan 19 11:55
oiaohm	Of course everything has side effects higher CBD means effectness time of the THC is so person may have to intake more to maintain same high.	Jan 19 11:55
msb_	Your claim that the psychedelic state is caused by memory impairment and depression is utter nonsense. If you believe that, then anything you say on the subject is worthless.	Jan 19 11:55
oiaohm	msb_: no you cannot read.	Jan 19 11:56
oiaohm	I did not say the psychedelic state was caused by memory imparment alone did I.	Jan 19 11:56
msb_	"<oiaohm> msb_: THC has three side effects. Imparement to memory, depression and psychedelic state caused by the imparment."	Jan 19 11:57
oiaohm	memory, depression and psychedelic state if you have someone in MRI you will see are different sections of brain.	Jan 19 11:58
oiaohm	So CDB at right does cleans up 2 areas of brain.	Jan 19 11:58
msb_	Are you denying what you wrote 16 minutes ago"	Jan 19 11:59
msb_	?	Jan 19 11:59
oiaohm	Not at all.	Jan 19 11:59
oiaohm	You just read something as one pience when it was in fact 3.	Jan 19 11:59
msb_	Separate the 3 piences.	Jan 19 12:00
oiaohm	Imparement to memory, psychedelic state and depression is 3 different places THC is acting on.	Jan 19 12:01
oiaohm	2 of those things you really don't want.	Jan 19 12:01
msb_	You said "psychedelic state caused by the imparment"	Jan 19 12:02
oiaohm	That is correct as neron paths get blocked brain uses other paths it has not used. So you see alterations in brain activity caused by this.	Jan 19 12:02
oiaohm	As long everything being cleaned there should be no long term issues. Of course cleaning up is where CBD comes in.	Jan 19 12:04
oiaohm	msb_: basically its a ratio. Right ratio of CBD to THC and by all studies it should be very safe.	Jan 19 12:05
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msb_	Is this your theory of the cause of the psychedelic state? Where did you get it from? "as neron paths get blocked brain uses other paths it has not used. So you see alterations in brain activity caused by this."	Jan 19 12:06
oiaohm	msb_: http://www.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosophy/2012/mar/02/how-marijuana-impairs-memory cannot find the one I want from 2013 that showed THC has effects on non memory neuronal connetions 2012 showed the disrupting memory effect.	Jan 19 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| How marijuana impairs memory \| Science \| The Guardian		Jan 19 12:12
oiaohm	msb_: so what I stated is the current theory on how THC generated psychedelic effect by messing with neuronal connections in fact blocking some of them.	Jan 19 12:13
oiaohm	msb_: of course there could be extra factors as well.	Jan 19 12:13
msb_	That article doesn't even mention the word "psychedelic", so it certainly does not prove your claim.	Jan 19 12:16
oiaohm	I said I could not find the one I wanted.	Jan 19 12:16
oiaohm	Its the weaking of connections that causes depression is stated in that one.	Jan 19 12:17
oiaohm	So you really don't want THC too strong.	Jan 19 12:18
msb_	The word "depression' in that article does not mean emotional depression. It is juxtaposed to "potentiation" and means the weakening of certain neural activity.	Jan 19 12:21
msb_	It means a decrease in the excitability of certain neurons.	Jan 19 12:21
msb_	No connection with psychological depression.	Jan 19 12:22
oiaohm	msb_: really http://www.memorylossonline.com/summer2001/depression.html	Jan 19 12:24
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oiaohm	msb_: you don't know your facts.	Jan 19 12:24
oiaohm	As soon as you start losing memory effectiveness the risk of psychological depression skyrockets.	Jan 19 12:25
msb_	Cannabis is _prescribed_ for psychological depression.	Jan 19 12:27
msb_	And you didn't admit that you misunderstood the Guardian article.	Jan 19 12:28
oiaohm	CBD is effective against psychological depression by improving memory and improving mood. THC is not good for psychological depression because it limiting memory as one of it side effects.	Jan 19 12:28
oiaohm	msb_: I did not miss read the Guardian article I understood what depression to a particular section of brain does to psychological depression.	Jan 19 12:29
oiaohm	So high CBD low THC works resonably well on psychological depression cases.	Jan 19 12:30
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Jan 19 12:36
schestowitz	[11:27] <msb_> And they will match those of Schestowitz.	Jan 19 12:36
schestowitz	Yes, they've been very complete since 2008	Jan 19 12:37
schestowitz	maybe a little lacking when I had hardware issues and the backups weren't perfect	Jan 19 12:37
schestowitz	makes me wonder if freenode keeps logs, how long for, and whether governments ever compelled #freenode to hand some over	Jan 19 12:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel P-State Is Faster Than ACPI CPUFreq	Jan 19 12:38
TweetTuxMachines	Performance On Linux 4.4	Jan 19 12:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/nOKLDqpkEJ (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 19 12:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Intel P-State Is Faster Than ACPI CPUFreq Performance On Linux 4.4 - Phoronix		Jan 19 12:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.7.1 Free System Recovery Live	Jan 19 12:38
TweetTuxMachines	CD Incorporates GParted 0.25.0	Jan 19 12:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/V8nM4oD1xD (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 12:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| SystemRescueCd 4.7.1 Free System Recovery Live CD Incorporates GParted 0.25.0		Jan 19 12:38
oiaohm	schestowitz: freenode does not keep logging very long as with number of channels it would get expensive very quickly.	Jan 19 12:40
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'SystemRescueCd 4.7.1 Free System Recovery Live CD Incorporates...'		Jan 19 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on with piCore 7.0: Tiny Core Linux for	Jan 19 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	the Raspberry Pi https://t.co/qwY2xP9hqb	Jan 19 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 12:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Hands-on with piCore 7.0: Tiny Core Linux for the Raspberry Pi \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source software powers NASA's Mars VR	Jan 19 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	project https://t.co/6s5RLLiHgB	Jan 19 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 12:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source software powers NASA's Mars VR project \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 12:41
msb_	schestowitz: oiaohm was stalking me again on a tech subject, and threatening me in various ways. I concisely listed his bizarre and anti-human beliefs, and _he_ then went off on cannabis again.	Jan 19 12:41
msb_	schestowitz: Please tell him to leave me alone.	Jan 19 12:42
oiaohm	msb_: no you raised the topic again.	Jan 19 12:44
msb_	schestowitz: Every time I say _anything_ he pops up and disagrees with it.	Jan 19 12:44
oiaohm	Please don't attempt to blame me for something you raised msb_	Jan 19 12:44
oiaohm	msb_: remember schestowitz has the logs and can see exactly who raised it.	Jan 19 12:45
msb_	oiaohm: I have added you to my "ignore list". Hopefully this means I will never see your posts.	Jan 19 12:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/METAKNlGHT/status/689428674437771265	Jan 19 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@METAKNlGHT: .@schestowitz @glynmoody Yes, and no. Also have to remember the anonym-ised users are using tor. https://t.co/4iTQS4pypM		Jan 19 12:47
schestowitz	Any evidence for the "yes"? And which government/s?	Jan 19 12:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/689428869103792128	Jan 19 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: I was in the dressing room with Savile back in 1996. TV Centre. BBC staff knew about him then @schestowitz		Jan 19 12:48
schestowitz	Like Blatter and Battestilli (EPO). Everyone knows something is seriously wrong, but too afraid to speak out.	Jan 19 12:49
schestowitz	*Battistelli	Jan 19 12:49
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://thestack.com/security/2014/11/14/81-of-tor-users-can-be-de-anonymised-by-analysing-router-information-research-indicates/	Jan 19 12:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thestack.com \| 81% of Tor users can be de-anonymised via router information [ http://ur1.ca/ofgt9 ]		Jan 19 12:51
oiaohm	schestowitz: The reality is tor is not that great of stealth.	Jan 19 12:51
oiaohm	schestowitz: that 2014 attack works against any communication that demands limited latency.	Jan 19 12:54
msb_	<test>	Jan 19 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.7.1 Free System Recovery Live	Jan 19 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	CD Incorporates GParted 0.25.0	Jan 19 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ygh29CdBkK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 13:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SystemRescueCd 4.7.1 Free System Recovery Live CD Incorporates GParted 0.25.0 \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bluboo Xwatch claims to be a $99 Android Wear	Jan 19 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	superwatch https://t.co/MUh0acZgXs	Jan 19 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	(techcrunch.com)	Jan 19 13:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| Indus OS Raises $5M To Make Android Work For First-Time Smartphone Users In India \| TechCrunch		Jan 19 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Indus OS Raises $5M To Make Android Work For	Jan 19 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	First-Time Smartphone Users In India	Jan 19 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/MUh0acZgXs (techcrunch.com)	Jan 19 13:18
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cubexyz	can any of the smartwatches do ntp?	Jan 19 13:35
cubexyz	seems like an obvious thing to add	Jan 19 13:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: welcome to stupid. /system/etc/gps.conf exists in Android and allows maker to define ntp servers to sync against. So rooted phones and watches can set it. So ntp is built in but no GUI to configure it.	Jan 19 13:45
cubexyz	rooted watches?	Jan 19 13:46
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/01/17/asteroidos-is-an-open-source-operating-systems-for-your-android-wear-smartwatch/ Lets just say replacing the image on a lot of android watches is not hard.	Jan 19 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com \| AsteroidOS is an Open Source Operating System for Your Android (Wear) Smartwatch		Jan 19 13:47
oiaohm	Annoying but not hard.	Jan 19 13:48
cubexyz	you don't automatically get root on your watch's OS?	Jan 19 13:49
cubexyz	seems a bit user hostile	Jan 19 13:49
cubexyz	we got root on zaurus	Jan 19 13:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: on android devices most don't give you root out box.	Jan 19 13:51
schestowitz	great article from Chris Hedges http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/01/18/there-is-no-justice-in-america/	Jan 19 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| There Is NO Justice In America - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/ofgyp ]		Jan 19 13:53
cubexyz	oiaohm, I ported pack to Unix v7	Jan 19 13:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/689445412323782656	Jan 19 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz One for you? https://t.co/c33nK8X4IK		Jan 19 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EPOorg: Join us in Manchester on 25 January 2016 for the Guidelines2day & Article 123(2) EPC event: https://t.co/SP5yqHIVCG https://t.co/pFeyPuN9vy		Jan 19 13:54
cubexyz	from pdp11 sysv Unix	Jan 19 13:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/troubletroyous/status/689449208579887104	Jan 19 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@troubletroyous: @schestowitz @katalin_pota @the_intercept national security means lies, they are protecting their lies. The seals didn't do it, #diabetes		Jan 19 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Edge Could Finally Become Real in 2016,	Jan 19 14:20
TweetTuxMachines	Sort Of https://t.co/GGB7UHM0C9	Jan 19 14:20
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 14:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Edge Could Finally Become Real in 2016, Sort Of		Jan 19 14:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LOHAN takes the stage at Oz Linux shindig	Jan 19 14:20
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/2jQUJO202G (www.theregister.co.uk)	Jan 19 14:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| LOHAN takes the stage at Oz Linux shindig • The Register		Jan 19 14:20
*TweetTuxMachines @Idea_Funders favourited 'Indus OS Raises $5M To Make Android Work...'		Jan 19 14:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora plans formal upgrade leapfrog scheme	Jan 19 14:24
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ZxuYShlRqp (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 14:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora plans formal upgrade leapfrog scheme \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 14:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Kubernetes is helping Docker blossom	Jan 19 14:24
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8H3dveCQxZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 14:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How Kubernetes is helping Docker blossom \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 14:24
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6971293	Jan 19 14:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What #facebook deems "racism" is very broad, politically-motivated. See for instance techrights.org/2010/10/29/power-over-communities-misused/ & http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Facebook		Jan 19 14:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Facebook - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/22y3v ]		Jan 19 14:45
cubexyz	oiaohm, don't you find the whole way things get described on the web is basically poor?	Jan 19 14:48
cubexyz	howto articles for example	Jan 19 14:49
cubexyz	almost always from the pov of a windows user	Jan 19 14:49
schestowitz	Squiz 'open source' has just mailed me spam	Jan 19 14:49
schestowitz	they pretend to be FOSS	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	oiaohm: they're from AUssie	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	They're frauds	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	i sent back this reply	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	"	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	Hi Lisa,	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	Some time ago I asked Squiz for access to the source code, as per the instructions in the documentation. I have not, however, received any reply (stonewalling). Based on the fact that I now receive Squiz marketing to the e-mail from which I sent my request I can assume, correctly perhaps, that Squiz is more interested in sending its unsolicited marketing (to as many people as possible) than in allowing them to access the source code. This	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	makes me seriously doubt Squiz's commitment to Open Source.	Jan 19 14:50
schestowitz	"	Jan 19 14:50
cubexyz	Fake FOSS Alert! (again)	Jan 19 14:50
cubexyz	FossForce allows Microsoft Surface Ads	Jan 19 14:53
cubexyz	there was another one FOSSbytes I think	Jan 19 14:53
cubexyz	quasi-FOSS at best	Jan 19 14:54
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/howto-geek-win10.png	Jan 19 15:01
cubexyz	schestowitz, you'll note that in the SHA-1 article it has the usual overbearing assumption that the user reading the article is a windows user	Jan 19 15:05
cubexyz	are you slow to update your OS? Oh you must be a windows xp user	Jan 19 15:08
cubexyz	get your friends off windows xp.... sounds kind of good... but then the whammy .... 'upgrade' to windows 10	Jan 19 15:10
cubexyz	hell, let's just make it a permanent part of the web page at the top	Jan 19 15:10
cubexyz	computing for the masses currently means the masses are getting ripped off	Jan 19 15:14
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/hey-kid-upgrade-to-windows-10.png	Jan 19 15:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 11 Beta Screenshot Tour - A Superb	Jan 19 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	Windows Alternative https://t.co/e7CHePdqCh	Jan 19 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 15:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Zorin OS 11 Beta Screenshot Tour - A Superb Windows Alternative \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LOHAN takes the stage at Oz Linux shindig	Jan 19 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Vcj8wffb0n (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 15:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LOHAN takes the stage at Oz Linux shindig \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NetworkManager 1.2 to Offer Tracking Protection	Jan 19 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	in Wi-Fi Networks on Linux Systems	Jan 19 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/au0ATJuCEs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 15:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NetworkManager 1.2 to Offer Tracking Protection in Wi-Fi Networks on Linux Systems \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 15:21
cubexyz	lifehacker is a joke as well	Jan 19 15:27
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/comparison-of-various-file-compressors.txt	Jan 19 15:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689471310313955328	Jan 19 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz That's why the only foreign attacks on American soil for 70 years have been by M-E people.		Jan 19 15:53
schestowitz	Untrue	Jan 19 15:53
cubexyz	the unabomber comes to mind	Jan 19 15:54
cubexyz	ok, not a foreign attack..	Jan 19 15:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro	Jan 19 15:55
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 15.12 https://t.co/QVHCCaxmrb	Jan 19 15:55
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 19 15:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro Linux 15.12 https://t.co/QVHCCaxmrb'		Jan 19 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro Linux 15.12 \| Techrights		Jan 19 15:55
msb_	9-11 wasn't a foreign attack either -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 That Chris Hedges article in Paul Craig Roberts' site is excellent. Look at PCR holding two (2) cats at the bottom.	Jan 19 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Jan 19 15:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689476469395951616	Jan 19 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz 1993, 9-11, Boston Marathon, San Bernardino... Not even the Soviet Union killed Americans on their homeland.		Jan 19 16:11
schestowitz	Soviet Union is a nation, not a religious movement	Jan 19 16:12
cubexyz	soviet union was anti-religious I think	Jan 19 16:13
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_%281958%E2%80%9364%29	Jan 19 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| USSR anti-religious campaign (1958–64) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jan 19 16:15
cubexyz	huh, wasn't sure that would work :)	Jan 19 16:16
cubexyz	the script transforms parathenesis	Jan 19 16:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/689481104835887104	Jan 19 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Middle East is not a religious movement but a geographical concept. Exactly the same as the USSR.		Jan 19 16:18
MinceR	https://8ch.net/tech/src/1452893104164.png	Jan 19 16:18
msb_	By coincidence, here's another Paul Craig Roberts column. The site it points to links to a movie on youtube, which you can get with youtube-dl. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/01/14/british-film-destroys-official-911-story/	Jan 19 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| British Film Destroys Official 9/11 Story - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/ofhfk ]		Jan 19 16:18
MinceR	the ussr wasn't against their own cults of personality, though	Jan 19 16:19
msb_	About 600MB. Watching it now.	Jan 19 16:20
cubexyz	MinceR, Khrushchev denounced Stalin's cult of personality	Jan 19 16:21
cubexyz	I can't think of anyone after him like that	Jan 19 16:21
MinceR	what about the other cults, like lenin's?	Jan 19 16:21
cubexyz	but he was before Stalin yes?	Jan 19 16:22
cubexyz	can't see anyone elevating Lenin nowadays	Jan 19 16:23
MinceR	yes he was	Jan 19 16:23
MinceR	maybe putin's establishment will	Jan 19 16:24
MinceR	they long for the ussr days	Jan 19 16:24
MinceR	though they seem to have replaced their religion	Jan 19 16:24
MinceR	dunno if that will stick	Jan 19 16:24
cubexyz	quite a while ago Stallman was called a communist	Jan 19 16:25
cubexyz	that seems to have stopped as far as I can tell	Jan 19 16:25
cubexyz	I doubt anyone really wants the USSR back, but who knows?	Jan 19 16:27
MinceR	ask average russians	Jan 19 16:28
MinceR	they clearly want their empire back	Jan 19 16:28
msb_	They would sure like to have all their state-owned factories and other facilities back, which were stolen from them by US agent Boris Yeltsin and given to various wealthy psychopaths. As described in Naomi-Klein--2007--The-shock-doctrine--The-Rise-of-Disaster-Capitalism. Chapter 11 I think.	Jan 19 16:40
msb_	Actually sold at about 10% of their value.	Jan 19 16:42
msb_	So far the video is mostly about WTC7, whose collapse was announced over various mainstream news channels several time before it had happened. IIRC one announcement took place about an hour before it fell. One was given by a newsreader who had the intact building visible in a window behind her.	Jan 19 16:58
msb_	time->times	Jan 19 16:59
schestowitz	Some thing will have to wait until after the protest because they're not time-critical. Tonight I'll post something about Topic...	Jan 19 17:09
schestowitz	:-)	Jan 19 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro	Jan 19 17:20
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Linux 15.12 https://t.co/QVHCCaxmrb	Jan 19 17:20
TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts (techrights.org)	Jan 19 17:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 19/1/2016: qBittorrent 3.3.2, Manjaro Linux 15.12 \| Techrights		Jan 19 17:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 11 Beta Screenshot Tour - A Superb	Jan 19 17:20
TweetTuxMachines	Windows Alternative https://t.co/AjOnrxIgcl	Jan 19 17:20
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 17:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Zorin OS 11 Beta Screenshot Tour - A Superb Windows Alternative		Jan 19 17:21
msb_	The collapse of WTC7, 50 stories high, looks _exactly_ like a standard controlled demolition, down to the center falling first so it falls in on itself. Then there were the stock "put options", made a few days before by a CIA-linked company, only on the stock of United and American Airlines, the two involved. Their stock fell almost 50%, and millions were made.	Jan 19 17:25
*TweetTuxMachines @AsteroidOS favourited 'Links 18/1/2016: AsteroidOS With GNU, NetworkManager 1.2 https://t.co/KhQ6x5N13e'		Jan 19 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 18/1/2016: AsteroidOS With GNU, NetworkManager 1.2 \| Techrights		Jan 19 18:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/689511594183753728	Jan 19 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freenodestaff: @schestowitz Records of connections to servers and interaction with with NickServ et al are kept for 120 days. We don't record messages.		Jan 19 18:41
schestowitz	msb_ spewing nutty 9/11 crap again...	Jan 19 18:41
*TweetTuxMachines @AsteroidOS favourited '"AsteroidOS carries a full GNU/Linux on your wrist"...'		Jan 19 18:43
*TweetTuxMachines @AsteroidOS favourited 'AsteroidOS: Open source smartwatch operating system that can...'		Jan 19 18:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Linux, Graphics	Jan 19 18:44
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/G09uNyuwAu (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 18:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Linux, Graphics \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 18:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/tSEg7EmF4E	Jan 19 18:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 18:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 18:44
msb_	schestowitz: It isn't "nutty crap". It's true. This video is specifically designed to get through to skeptics. It's UK-oriented. Why don't you watch it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UyynjxAyw	Jan 19 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Incontrovertible - New 9/11 Documentary by Tony Rooke - YouTube		Jan 19 18:47
msb_	schestowitz: People who are embedded in the corrupt establishment that you're fighting will call your work "nutty crap".	Jan 19 18:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/qX1s6pKql8	Jan 19 18:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/5DeB8X5frf	Jan 19 18:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/vhfTm22FRi	Jan 19 18:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@Durga_Karma The Michael Daily News by	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8L9GwMtRr0	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	(michael.lr-partner.com) wurde soeben	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	publiziert! https://t.co/QDWKtp8pnr (paper.li)	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	Vielen Dank an @tuxmachines @ReporterOG	Jan 19 19:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| The Michael Daily News by https://michael.lr-partner.com		Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/qX1s6pKql8	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto	Jan 19 19:37
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Jan 19 20:41
schestowitz	Hope it's clearer now, I wrote it in a rush	Jan 19 20:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Jan 19 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OfLBYkxOor (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 20:56
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689555046497935360	Jan 19 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: We're very careful when writing articles on WordPress security not to specify any security measures use. https://t.co/K4fTk0uXPn		Jan 19 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Can't quite divulge architecture of my sites anymore as it helps attackers (I always get hit hardest when/after writing about Croatia)		Jan 19 21:09
schestowitz	plugins are a risk (out of date ones esp.)	Jan 19 21:09
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689555896104542212	Jan 19 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz Yup. Since the PostNuke days, I'm very cautious about what plugins I use & update as soon as a new version is released.		Jan 19 21:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689556250019905537	Jan 19 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz We also subscribe to a security service that advises of new vulnerabilities as soon as they're discovered.		Jan 19 21:15
schestowitz	The problem with nuke was phpbb inclusion in the core	Jan 19 21:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689557701857296385	Jan 19 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz That was PHP Nuke, not PostNuke. BTW, I know you don't use WordPress, but we cover WP security issues extensively on FOSSForce.		Jan 19 21:25
schestowitz	I use wordpress in about 8 sites of mine	Jan 19 21:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689560215826632704	Jan 19 21:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: @schestowitz Then keep an eye on @FOSSForce . We try to publish info on plugin exploits as soon as they're discovered.		Jan 19 21:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Jan 19 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by https://t.co/OfLBYkxOor (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Jan 19 21:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How I use Android: Writer and Android Power	Jan 19 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	author JR Raphael https://t.co/HFHMCRLZSW	Jan 19 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerworld.com)	Jan 19 21:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com \| How I use Android: Writer and Android Power author JR Raphael \| Computerworld		Jan 19 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Running desktop Linux on a tablet: A lid for	Jan 19 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	every pot https://t.co/uzDCwtOVsh (www.cio.com)	Jan 19 22:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cio.com \| Running desktop Linux on a tablet: A lid for every pot \| CIO		Jan 19 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Linux distros of 2016: Something for	Jan 19 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	everyone https://t.co/f9aAV5is4V (www.cio.com)	Jan 19 22:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDEPIM Akregator Faster than Ever	Jan 19 22:04
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0yolPpOnme (ostatic.com)	Jan 19 22:04
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/butcherbird/status/689573715902787585	Jan 19 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@butcherbird: There's nothing to watch on netflix anyway. Far more interesting things on the net. https://t.co/3A6G3TTMds		Jan 19 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #VPN Providers Condemn Netflix Blocking Crackdown https://t.co/jdPwisAgk8 #netflix has destroyed the Web with #drm		Jan 19 22:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A visit to a #Fedora datacenter	Jan 19 23:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vWnOQ2UiiK (www.scrye.com)	Jan 19 23:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scrye.com \| A vist to a Fedora datacenter – Kevin's musings		Jan 19 23:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux conference season 2016 kicks off with	Jan 19 23:27
TweetTuxMachines	SCaLE and FOSDEM https://t.co/iQzlmuSWLi	Jan 19 23:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.networkworld.com)	Jan 19 23:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com \| Linux conference season 2016 kicks off with SCaLE and FOSDEM		Jan 19 23:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine 1.8 Released	Jan 19 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VFQWiTU3Uo (www.linuxjournal.com)	Jan 19 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	a lot more detailed than other such coverage.	Jan 19 23:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Wine 1.8 Released \| Linux Journal		Jan 19 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #microsoft a company of liars (not news)	Jan 19 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fQPB1GcCkn (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	'steals' its ideas from #gnu #linux	Jan 19 23:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical and BQ to Unveil the First Ubuntu	Jan 19 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	Tablet That Runs X11 Apps at MWC 2016	Jan 19 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6Q3BfS7e0J (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 23:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Oracle Releases VirtualBox 5.0.14 with Support	Jan 19 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	for Linux Kernel 4.5, Mac OS X Fixes	Jan 19 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/X2ftOrdP4n (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 19 23:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDEPIM Akregator Faster than Ever	Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5HPxWzKzG1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 00:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDEPIM Akregator Faster than Ever \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu (Tablet, Zero-day, Microsoft	Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	copycats) https://t.co/XTbCMgh5oU	Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 00:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Ubuntu (Tablet, Zero-day, Microsoft copycats) \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What Freedom Really Means In Open Source	Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/s7eKABqrlo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 00:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| What Freedom Really Means In Open Source \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack	Jan 20 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ozWUlNTwVj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 00:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GitHub Revolt https://t.co/19AZZgl2Te	Jan 20 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 00:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GitHub Revolt \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 00:13
*TweetTuxMachines @arsenyspb favourited 'Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack https://t.co/ozWUlNTwVj'		Jan 20 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack	Jan 20 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by https://t.co/ozWUlNTwVj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	@NoSQLDigest	Jan 20 00:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DnD Actions Land Within Wayland's Weston,	Jan 20 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	Already Being Used In GTK+	Jan 20 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/t3jsdfjJ34 (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 20 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofj6b	Jan 20 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| DnD Actions Land Within Wayland's Weston, Already Being Used In GTK+ - Phoronix		Jan 20 00:40
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schestowitz	[14:53] <cubexyz> FossForce allows Microsoft Surface Ads	Jan 20 01:28
schestowitz	needs exclusion rule in advertiser's network	Jan 20 01:28
schestowitz	i'll let christine know..	Jan 20 01:28
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		Jan 20 08:52
*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Jan 20 08:52
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msb_	Didn't Sony screw up the PlayStation, which has a very powerful cpu with multiple pipelines, so that people can't root it and put Linux on it?	Jan 20 09:06
cubexyz	depends	Jan 20 09:08
cubexyz	with PS3's if the system software is earlier than version 3.21 you can use it as an open platform	Jan 20 09:09
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cubexyz	on appropriate PS3's people have put Yellow Dog, OpenSUSE, Fedora and Ubuntu on	Jan 20 09:10
cubexyz	assuming there's a way to reflash the PS3 you should be OK	Jan 20 09:11
cubexyz	now there's Linux for Playstation 2's as well	Jan 20 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@OpenStackTpNews Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack	Jan 20 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6j4tO19OfN (gettopical.com) via	Jan 20 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://t.co/IPvmYC6ahi	Jan 20 09:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gettopical.com \| Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack		Jan 20 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OpenStackTpNews: Hadoop, Spark, and OpenStack https://t.co/6j4tO19OfN via @tuxmachines https://t.co/IPvmYC6ahi		Jan 20 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma tricks: smart places	Jan 20 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/X9yJA1Aevp (www.alexl.netsons.org)	Jan 20 09:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alexl.netsons.org \| Plasma tricks: smart places – Alex L.		Jan 20 09:12
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_2	Jan 20 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Linux for PlayStation 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ofkc9 ]		Jan 20 09:12
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS	Jan 20 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| OtherOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jan 20 09:15
cubexyz	so yes, Sony isn't being too helpful	Jan 20 09:16
cubexyz	so you want firmware 3.15 or lower	Jan 20 09:16
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6972689	Jan 20 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When #feminism games #art in #games http://www.destructoid.com/anita-sarkeesian-blows-the-pants-off-widespread-censorship-of-butts-335327.phtml http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/strategic-butt-coverings_us_569e71a5e4b04c8137618ee6 http://www.themarysue.com/feminist-frequency-strategic-butt-coverings/ http://gamepolitics.com/tag/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/		Jan 20 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.destructoid.com \| Anita Sarkeesian blows the pants off widespread censorship of butts [ http://ur1.ca/ofkcy ]		Jan 20 09:18
schestowitz	"As much as I hate Sarkeesian’s professional victim thing, I have to agree that the more skimpy clothes on guys, the better."	Jan 20 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.huffingtonpost.com \| Video Games Might Have A Butt Problem [ http://ur1.ca/ofkcz ]		Jan 20 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.themarysue.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/ofkd0 ]		Jan 20 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gamepolitics.com \| Tropes vs Women in Video Games – GamePolitics [ http://ur1.ca/ofkd1 ]		Jan 20 09:18
schestowitz	Most gamers are guys, so I think there's little demand for that	Jan 20 09:18
oiaohm	PS3 caused Sony a financial mess PS4 has been hacked to run Linux.	Jan 20 09:18
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6972613	Jan 20 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Seattle #Privacy Coalition joins other “state-sponsored” attack targets to demand answers from #Twitter https://www.seattleprivacy.org/seattle-privacy-coalition-joins-other-state-sponsored-attack-victims-to-demand-answers-from-twitter/		Jan 20 09:19
schestowitz	"Or Twitter wants to say: the government wants data from us but we let you know that first. :)"	Jan 20 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.seattleprivacy.org/seattle-privacy-coalition-joins-other-state-sponsored-attack-victims-to-demand-answers-from-twitter/ )		Jan 20 09:19
schestowitz	Like they did with Wikileaks	Jan 20 09:19
schestowitz	oiaohm: has did it cause a financial mess?	Jan 20 09:19
schestowitz	oiaohm: was it not profitable overall?	Jan 20 09:19
oiaohm	opps PS2	Jan 20 09:20
msb_	Interesting: PS4 uses an 8-core AMD CPU instead of the Cell.	Jan 20 09:20
oiaohm	schestowitz: early PS2 the systems were being bought for data processing.	Jan 20 09:20
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation#Comparison	Jan 20 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| PlayStation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ofkd7 ]		Jan 20 09:20
oiaohm	http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/01/04/ps4-hack-enables-console-to-run-using-linux-steamos-should-just-work/	Jan 20 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.playstationlifestyle.net \| PS4 Hack Enables Console to Run Using Linux, SteamOS Should "Just Work" [ http://ur1.ca/ofkdc ]		Jan 20 09:21
oiaohm	PS4 video card is even starting to work with the open source AMD drivers.	Jan 20 09:22
oiaohm	schestowitz: of course people buying 100 to 200+ units of PS2 for data processing bought zero games so console being sold under cost hurt.	Jan 20 09:23
oiaohm	msb_: of course msb most likely will not see this. Having too powerful and specialised of a process Sony learnt with PS2 could be a horiblely bad mistake.	Jan 20 09:24
cubexyz	no MMU on playstation 1	Jan 20 09:30
cubexyz	you could put Fedora 8 on PS3	Jan 20 09:33
msb_	It's good to see a corporation making powerful technology available to the public, cheap. Then people somewhere in the world are able to hack it and set it free. "Information wants to be free." Maybe CPUs want to be free too.	Jan 20 09:34
msb_	cubexyz: OK, I agree: Sony are semi-good guys.	Jan 20 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Linux Port Of Darkest Dungeon Is Planned	Jan 20 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/dD3qU1FPlJ (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 20 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkea	Jan 20 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| A Linux Port Of Darkest Dungeon Is Planned - Phoronix		Jan 20 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Initiative approves Quebec licence	Jan 20 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8cCXN5KLKq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkeb	Jan 20 09:37
cubexyz	at least Sony is better than Microsoft	Jan 20 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Initiative approves Quebec licence \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 09:37
cubexyz	japanese companies do use Linux, obvious example is Sharp and the zaurus	Jan 20 09:38
msb_	We are the new little mammals, who are finding that dinosaur eggs are very delicious and nourishing.	Jan 20 09:49
cubexyz	Sharp later on went to the dark side... they discontinued the Zaurus in 2007 and started building windows mobile devices	Jan 20 09:52
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/689759589403881472	Jan 20 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: How to strengthen your passwords: Eek! 'Star Wars' is now one of the most popular passwords https://t.co/kdyTD6pT64 ICYMI @schestowitz		Jan 20 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.co.uk \| 'Star Wars' is now one of the most popular passwords - BBC Newsbeat		Jan 20 10:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/689760326989012992	Jan 20 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @BBCNewsbeat They also advertised the GCHQ Christmas quiz rather greatly. Perhaps GCHQ have access to update the site.		Jan 20 10:46
schestowitz	Both serving power, domination	Jan 20 10:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source offline map tool	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/je5jACvIQe (opensource.com)	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	@lemberg_co_uk "mAppWidget is available to anyone in need of a	Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	mobile custom offline map solution."	Jan 20 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Creating custom offline maps for Android gets a little easier \| Opensource.com		Jan 20 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofkk7	Jan 20 10:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) Is Getting Linux Kernel 4.4 LTS by the End of January		Jan 20 10:47
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TweetTuxMachines	Shuttleworth https://t.co/9kdYpALPAF	Jan 20 10:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines That Dragon, Cancer is now doing a Linux	Jan 20 10:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| That Dragon, Cancer is now doing a Linux release on Steam \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 20 10:55
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schestowitz	>>> My bro,	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > > Here it goes:	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > > upc-epo-corporate-overlords	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > > Cheers	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>>> > > Eduardo	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> > Excellent, than k you.	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> > I've noticed that many EPO staff and former staff reads my non-EPO	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> > articles and take these seriously, even in some online forums. It means	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	>> > the site influences the right people these days, regarding patent policy...	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	> That´s good to know. I hope Europe can derail the UPC on time && get rid of	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	> this tyrant.	Jan 20 14:06
schestowitz	Getting rid of the tyrant will be easier than getting rid of software patents or the UPC	Jan 20 14:06
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Jan 20 21:47
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/689930491487719424	Jan 20 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Keeping Internet free an ongoing battle: 'Anti-Piracy' Site Blocking Used Against Video Game Developer" https://t.co/cfXZtJpLV7 @schestowitz		Jan 20 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com \| Portuguese 'Anti-Piracy' Site Blocking Used Against US Video Game Developer \| Techdirt		Jan 20 22:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence Desktop Mode	Jan 20 22:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/7IwBnAX23Z (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 22:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmt3	Jan 20 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence Desktop Mode \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 22:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New open-source ad-blocking web browser emerges	Jan 20 22:12
TweetTuxMachines	from brain of ex-Mozilla boss Eich	Jan 20 22:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/v3yLHALEga (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 22:12
schestowitz	BrendanEich: "Could you kindly not speak for me or my beliefs? I appreciate your support but (a) you're presuming without knowing; (b) it wouldn't help with the the neo-maoists on the net anyway"	Jan 20 22:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmt4	Jan 20 22:12
*TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter...		Jan 20 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New open-source ad-blocking web browser emerges from brain of ex-Mozilla boss Eich \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 22:12
schestowitz	Sure, I understand and will refrain from doing so again	Jan 20 22:12
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6974200	Jan 20 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To #Backdoor #Encryption As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To Backdoor Encryption can bribe for it		Jan 20 22:23
MinceR	https://archive.is/jgLc6	Jan 20 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is \| For fsck's SAKKE: GCHQ-built phone voice encryption has massive backdoor – researcher • The Register		Jan 20 22:31
schestowitz	seen it	Jan 20 22:35
schestowitz	it was probablty the first decent article about this eubject	Jan 20 22:35
schestowitz	see what my tax money is doing?	Jan 20 22:35
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MinceR	yeah	Jan 20 22:39
MinceR	these "national security" institutions are so great for national security	Jan 20 22:39
MinceR	developing all the useless broken shit that breaks the taxpayers' security and privacy they could ever want	Jan 20 22:39
oiaohm	MinceR: to be correct not even good for national security because there have been many documented government breaches into the USA caused by NSA developing useless broken shit and the other government departments believing its secure story for the public.	Jan 20 22:49
MinceR	well, obviously compromising taxpayers' infrastructure is not good for national security	Jan 20 22:50
oiaohm	MinceR: worse the comprised government departments leaks the sections of the NSA own files.	Jan 20 22:51
oiaohm	So its absolutely no good for anyone.	Jan 20 22:51
MinceR	lol	Jan 20 22:51
MinceR	http://devpost.com/software/trumpscript	Jan 20 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-devpost.com \| TrumpScript \| Devpost		Jan 20 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 20/1/2016: Brave Software's New Browser,	Jan 20 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	GitHub Under Fire https://t.co/FZoeMPu0kV	Jan 20 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 20 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmw2	Jan 20 22:58
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'RemixOS Now Respects Both #GPL and #Apache Licenses...'		Jan 20 22:58
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Don't Panic About Recent Zero-Day Linux Kernel Vulnerability,...'		Jan 20 22:58
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oiaohm	MinceR: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2015/12/15/how-the-nsa-tried-to-build-safe-encryption-but-failed/ Nice well written write up. On historic attempts at building in backdoors into encryption.	Jan 20 23:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| A key under the doormat isn’t safe. Neither is an encryption backdoor. - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/ofmwd ]		Jan 20 23:01
oiaohm	Every backdoor attempt in encryption has resulted in disaster sooner or latter.	Jan 20 23:01
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Remix OS Now Respects Both GPL and Apache...'		Jan 20 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Phones Will Get a New Music App with	Jan 20 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	Lots of Features After the OTA-9 Update	Jan 20 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XM9l2jgNMM (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmxd	Jan 20 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Phones Will Get a New Music App with Lots of Features After the OTA-9 Update		Jan 20 23:09
schestowitz	oiaohm: spy agents now assume theere are holes	Jan 20 23:10
schestowitz	whether in chinese or russia algos	Jan 20 23:10
schestowitz	so their task is just to look for these of backward-engineer these	Jan 20 23:11
schestowitz	like in ENIGMA, excerpt I don't think ENIGMA had any intention back door the Germans knew about	Jan 20 23:11
schestowitz	the key itself was 'the door'	Jan 20 23:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 20/1/2016: Brave Software's New Browser,	Jan 20 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by GitHub Under Fire https://t.co/FZoeMPu0kV	Jan 20 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Jan 20 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmzm	Jan 20 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/FheccLV07S	Jan 20 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmzn	Jan 20 23:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/ECHbBCo4nT	Jan 20 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofmzo	Jan 20 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 23:31
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Jan 21 10:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sw1ayfe/status/690112505176309760	Jan 21 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sw1ayfe: ha the front page of techrights?		Jan 21 10:07
schestowitz	Yes, not useful to returning visitors, apparently	Jan 21 10:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/EsRevorTeR/status/690113622610173952	Jan 21 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EsRevorTeR: @DavidAllenGreen @schestowitz on topic - same for nitrous oxide in netherlands go figure...		Jan 21 10:21
schestowitz	> x	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	> https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=rush+limbaugh+talking+up+apple+products	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 10:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.startpage.com \| rush limbaugh talking up apple products - Startpage Web Search [ http://ur1.ca/ofoxt ]		Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	> not worth posting, just FYI about where some of the Apple boosting is from	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	> -	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	> old	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	>	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	> https://theweek.com/articles/461417/rush-limbaugh-republicans-are-apple-democrats-are-android	Jan 21 10:33
schestowitz	I never noticed this, but it sounds familiar.	Jan 21 10:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theweek.com \| Rush Limbaugh: Republicans are Apple, Democrats are Android [ http://ur1.ca/ofoxu ]		Jan 21 10:33
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/tekcurmudgeon/status/690127270372073476	Jan 21 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tekcurmudgeon: @schestowitz https://t.co/RBdSSSoE0b		Jan 21 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tekcurmudgeon.livejournal.com \| Let's Cut Micorosoft A Little Slack! - tekcurmudgeon		Jan 21 11:04
schestowitz	Google is not an excuse. Comparing two bad actors does not serve to legitimise neither. We need to support GNU/Linux.	Jan 21 11:04
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6974508	Jan 21 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #indonesia is burning its land, polluting the world so that few super-rich people will profit https://www.vice.com/read/whats-being-done-to-stop-palm-oil-plantations-from-destroying-indonesias-rainforests http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-19/oil-rout-threatens-to-scupper-demand-for-palm-oil-in-biodiesel		Jan 21 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.vice.com \| What's Being Done to Stop Palm Oil Plantations from Destroying Indonesia's Rainforests? \| VICE \| United States [ http://ur1.ca/ofp0z ]		Jan 21 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bloomberg.com \| Oil Rout Threatens to Scupper Demand for Palm Oil in Biofuel - Bloomberg Business [ http://ur1.ca/ofp10 ]		Jan 21 11:09
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6974200	Jan 21 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To #Backdoor #Encryption As Law To Backdoor Encryption Stalls, Congress Tries Backup Stupid Plan To Backdoor Encryption can bribe for it		Jan 21 11:09
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6975102	Jan 21 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: “journey through India and Nepal, with the aim of learning about needs of Debian derivatives” http://dr.jones.dk//blends/it-at-school/ http://dr.jones.dk//blends/india2015/		Jan 21 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> dr.jones.dk \| IT@school		Jan 21 11:10
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schestowitz	>>>>> https://brave.com/#about	Jan 21 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-brave.com \| Brave Software \| Building a Better Web		Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> https://brave.com/#faster	Jan 21 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-brave.com \| Brave Software \| Building a Better Web		Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop	Jan 21 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| brave/browser-laptop: Brave browser for Desktop and Laptop computers running Windows, OSX, and Linux		Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>>	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> Licensed under MPL according to source code, but missing a traditional	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>>> >>>> LICENSE or COPYING file. Not all source files contain licensing info.	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>> >>>	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>> >>> Maybe not yet camera-ready. I chatted with Brendan yesterday, should I	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>>> >>> pass this feedback to him?	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> It would be nice to have the i's dotted and the t's crossed. Not all	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> the files have copyright attribution so without a blanket license for	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> the whole project, they are not FOSS. But I only checked the	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> 'browser-laptop' code, if it's elsewhere, then the license should be	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> copied to each subproject so that it is guaranteed to contain licensing	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>>> >> information.	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	>> > I've just told Brendan.	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	> Thanks. I only just now found what might be the contact info. I hope	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	> the browser is a good one. I guess we'll see soon.	Jan 21 11:23
schestowitz	it's an overcrowded space already, even if you're using FOSS as a selling point. I guess offering no ads as a selling point is a new one...	Jan 21 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Game: Teen Patti Live for Samsung Z1 and Z3	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	Available in Tizen Store	Jan 21 11:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| Game: Teen Patti Live for Samsung Z1 and Z3 Available in Tizen Store - Tizen Experts		Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines File Roller Open Source Archive Manager Now	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	Supports Ubuntu's Click Packages	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ln2HBBugeQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 11:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| File Roller Open Source Archive Manager Now Supports Ubuntu's Click Packages \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 11:52
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 11:55
schestowitz	Please don't post with Brendan's name visible should you publish this. It's more an FYI.	Jan 21 11:55
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Jan 21 11:55
schestowitz	I guess they will shut down the individual membership program altogether. Let's wait.	Jan 21 11:55
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 11:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to improve tech skills while contributing	Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	to open source projects https://t.co/ChdSvPSEu1	Jan 21 12:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to improve tech skills while contributing to open source projects \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall	Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes	Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/uguwIaPJ7I (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 12:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall	Jan 21 12:06
TweetTuxMachines	OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes	Jan 21 12:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Scd05JStgT (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 12:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS Brings Ramdisk Usage Changes		Jan 21 12:06
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS...'		Jan 21 12:06
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest IPFire 2.17 Open Source Linux Firewall OS...'		Jan 21 13:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a	Jan 21 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence	Jan 21 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	Included https://t.co/1flaGjFWc5	Jan 21 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 21 13:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included \| Techrights		Jan 21 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Jan 21 13:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today and Yesterday in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 13:30
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate...'		Jan 21 13:30
*TweetTuxMachines @TechJournalist favourited 'The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate...'		Jan 21 13:38
*TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate...'		Jan 21 13:38
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today and Yesterday in Techrights https://t.co/MQrxjFmOLs'		Jan 21 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/UVpBpwwyRY	Jan 21 14:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/4OLFHtT61S	Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/lbjYNkPTRi	Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Jan 21 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/aArnCFPcEn (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today and Yesterday in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:11
msb_	British report says Putin "probably" ordered the murder of Litvinenko, using polonium-210. MPs demand sanctions against Russia.	Jan 21 14:19
msb_	There are so many undetectable ways to kill someone, why would Russians use one that pointed to a nation with a nuclear programme?	Jan 21 14:20
msb_	More likely the CIA killed him that way for that very reason.	Jan 21 14:21
schestowitz	nonsense	Jan 21 14:41
schestowitz	cui bono?	Jan 21 14:41
schestowitz	and you haven't, as far as I knew, yielded any potent evidence for this	Jan 21 14:42
schestowitz	that's like saying Oswald worked for Castro	Jan 21 14:42
schestowitz	the cost analysis suggests Russia had the motivation to kill Litvinenko	Jan 21 14:42
schestowitz	And barring any evidence to implicate those who benefited from Litvinenko's knowledge, it's a weak if not laughable argument	Jan 21 14:43
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today and Yesterday in Techrights https://t.co/aArnCFPcEn'		Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enhanced BeagleBone SBC has 1GB RAM, GbE,	Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	sensors https://t.co/fSKTeK0Nvi	Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 21 14:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Enhanced BeagleBone SBC has 1GB RAM, GbE, sensors · LinuxGizmos.com		Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Other Linux Expos Can Learn a Thing or Two From	Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	SCALE https://t.co/VQFjGpgSdH (fossforce.com)	Jan 21 14:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Other Linux Expos Can Learn a Thing or Two From SCALE \| FOSS Force		Jan 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kwort 4.3.1 released https://t.co/HoZEz0HHSd	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	(kwort.org)	Jan 21 15:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kwort.org \| Kwort Linux \| HomePage		Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	News For Linux And Open Source?	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/rgVJ6OhdMb (fossbytes.com)	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1flaGjFWc5 (techrights.org)	Jan 21 15:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossbytes.com \| Why Is Linux Foundation's Latest Change A Bad News For Linux And Open Source?		Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam On Linux Hits 1,800 Games Available	Jan 21 15:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XdzqTV0Btt (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 15:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included \| Techrights		Jan 21 15:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Steam On Linux Hits 1,800 Games Available - Phoronix		Jan 21 15:00
msb_	schestowitz: Every false-flag operation relies on people suspecting the obvious perpetrator. Cui bono. Occam's Razor. But we know there are false-flag operations. The Reichstag fire. Operation Northwoods. Various attacks by Gladio. Why would Russia use a murder method that points directly to them?	Jan 21 15:06
msb_	...When they could have used any number of methods that _didn't_ point to a nuclear power. Even if you think the Russians are evil, they're not stupid.	Jan 21 15:08
schestowitz	they're not stupid, that's why they'd want to kill Litvinenko	Jan 21 15:11
schestowitz	Even with blowback and public backlash taken into account	Jan 21 15:11
msb_	Suppose they did want to kill him. Why wouldn't they use an undetectable poison, or fake a robbery, or do a drive-by shooting? Any method that wouldn't point to Russia's nuclear capability.	Jan 21 15:20
MinceR	they were stupid enough to destroy their own economy	Jan 21 15:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/690203435006836736	Jan 21 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Because Kernel != RedHat != Distributions? And you still have to show that systemd is desktop only		Jan 21 16:08
schestowitz	just excuses now...	Jan 21 16:08
MinceR	that's what it always was	Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Team Fortress 2 Update Brings More Balancing	Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements https://t.co/sc3oYKg70V	Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 16:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Team Fortress 2 Update Brings More Balancing Improvements		Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU/FSF https://t.co/yElN5SU459	Jan 21 16:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 16:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU/FSF \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 16:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/elbekgt/status/690205135369289728	Jan 21 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@elbekgt: #stuxnet, el virus para Windows creado por varias agencias gubernamentales de inteligencia https://t.co/RZp2V9A0uX		Jan 21 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Back doors cannot be built which only one side (the Good Guys) can exploit. See how #stuxnet went out of control https://t.co/R8IjlH2x20		Jan 21 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Under Fire	Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/g4zwPwR8Ol (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 16:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation Under Fire \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenStack Conference https://t.co/QzOuLRLJyh	Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 16:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenStack Conference \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE Coverage https://t.co/UMhZTwqH2r	Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 16:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SCALE Coverage \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today on Brave Browser https://t.co/eqLs1TqP7c	Jan 21 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 16:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today on Brave Browser \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 16:14
msb_	The Russians did not destroy their own economy. It was done by Boris Yeltsin, working with the US "Chicago School" of capitalist economists. This is described in chapter 11 of Naomi Klein''s book The shock doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism. Yeltsin sold off the government-owned factories, etc, of Russia to wealthy investors at a tiny fraction of their actual value. That is what wrecked the Russian economy.	Jan 21 16:33
MinceR	yeah, Yeltsin and his time machine	Jan 21 16:34
msb_	Russians were also smart enough to bring their economy and industrial plant from horse-and-buggy in a couple of decades to the point where they could fight off the Germans. They orbited the first satellite, and designed the first solid H-bomb that could actually be delivered. The US one was liquid.	Jan 21 16:37
msb_	MinceR: what "time machine"?	Jan 21 16:38
msb_	MinceR: Have you read Klein's book?	Jan 21 16:38
MinceR	msb_: russian economy was in the dump well before yeltsin came to power	Jan 21 16:38
MinceR	so was the entire eastern bloc, thanks to the russians	Jan 21 16:39
MinceR	it's probably the reason their empire fell apart	Jan 21 16:39
MinceR	(which they're trying to put together again now)	Jan 21 16:39
msb_	It may have been slow, but he completely destr0yed it.	Jan 21 16:39
msb_	MinceR: Have you read Klein's book?	Jan 21 16:39
MinceR	no	Jan 21 16:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/690207921888706560	Jan 21 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Still the reality, distributions are integrators taking bits of code to make something usable. 1/2		Jan 21 16:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/690208040474271744	Jan 21 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Sounds normal that they integrate stuffs they develop. 2/2		Jan 21 16:40
msb_	Don't refuse to access the information. Please read it.	Jan 21 16:40
MinceR	i have it but i don't read that quickly	Jan 21 16:40
MinceR	and there are other things in the pipeline	Jan 21 16:40
msb_	You only need to read chapter 11.	Jan 21 16:41
msb_	Take you an hour at most.	Jan 21 16:41
MinceR	i have, however, lived in the eastern bloc before the dissolution of the USSR	Jan 21 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Digital Painting with Krita 2.9 provides the	Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	missing Krita documentation	Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3vJt9G2dgY (opensource.com)	Jan 21 16:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Improve your Krita chops with the Digital Painting with Krita 2.9 book \| Opensource.com		Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad	Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by News For Linux And Open Source?	Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/rgVJ6OhdMb (fossbytes.com)	Jan 21 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1flaGjFWc5 (techrights.org)	Jan 21 16:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossbytes.com \| Why Is Linux Foundation's Latest Change A Bad News For Linux And Open Source?		Jan 21 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included \| Techrights		Jan 21 16:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Zeipt retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad News...'		Jan 21 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This Virtual Phone Within Your Android Lets You	Jan 21 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	Use Tor More Securely https://t.co/carQlck4Ky	Jan 21 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	(motherboard.vice.com)	Jan 21 16:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com \| This Virtual Phone Within Your Android Lets You Use Tor More Securely \| Motherboard		Jan 21 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Massive ARM v6/v7 Rework Is Landing With	Jan 21 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.5 Plus Raspberry Pi 2 Support	Jan 21 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QAfZOUtCPI (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 16:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| A Massive ARM v6/v7 Rework Is Landing With Linux 4.5 Plus Raspberry Pi 2 Support - Phoronix		Jan 21 16:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/motters/status/690215587671363584	Jan 21 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @fu11circ1e @schestowitz but if members can't vote it may be difficult to elect Karen Sandler		Jan 21 16:55
schestowitz	It might not too late to vote, esp. if there's backlash in the coming week	Jan 21 16:55
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Team Fortress 2 Update Brings More Balancing Improvements...'		Jan 21 16:57
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'A Massive ARM v6/v7 Rework Is Landing With...'		Jan 21 16:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Material Design-Inspired Linux Distro Papyros	Jan 21 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	Looks Amazing https://t.co/I9ls8pJ3L3	Jan 21 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 16:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Material Design-Inspired Linux Distro Papyros Looks Amazing		Jan 21 16:59
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Material Design-Inspired Linux Distro Papyros Looks Amazing https://t.co/I9ls8pJ3L3'		Jan 21 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Music App for GNOME 3.20 to Feature Truly	Jan 21 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	Asynchronous Album Art Fetching	Jan 21 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/C32XF8xnst (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 17:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GNOME Music App for GNOME 3.20 to Feature Truly Asynchronous Album Art Fetching		Jan 21 17:00
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Music App for GNOME 3.20 to Feature...'		Jan 21 17:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Is @LinuxFoundation Latest Change A Bad	Jan 21 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by News For Linux And Open Source?	Jan 21 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	@GerritASmit https://t.co/rgVJ6OhdMb (fossbytes.com)	Jan 21 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1flaGjFWc5 (techrights.org)	Jan 21 17:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossbytes.com \| Why Is Linux Foundation's Latest Change A Bad News For Linux And Open Source?		Jan 21 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Some Quick Tests With ZFS, F2FS, Btrfs &	Jan 21 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	Friends On Linux 4.4 https://t.co/QdoUymgAfV	Jan 21 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 17:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included \| Techrights		Jan 21 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Some Quick Tests With ZFS, F2FS, Btrfs & Friends On Linux 4.4 - Phoronix		Jan 21 17:28
*pidgin_log (~roy@host86-136-99-19.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights		Jan 21 17:29
schestowitz	"LXF changing bylaws like Facebook changes privacy settings ;-)"	Jan 21 17:31
schestowitz	I can't say I'm sad because this issue is old (I got used to it), it's only now that more people speak out, so maybe things will change	Jan 21 17:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/690218328422518785	Jan 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Sadly, I must agree: Linux Foundation a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included #Techrights https://t.co/8wLkMyJDei @schestowitz		Jan 21 17:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ACROPOLITESSE/status/690221190904987648	Jan 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ACROPOLITESSE: Un téléphone virtuel sécurisé dans son Android pas pour tous les modèles et avec une base certaine de technicité https://t.co/aDKk1HJHaK		Jan 21 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: This Virtual Phone Within Your Android Lets You Use Tor More Securely https://t.co/anwRLCZTkp #android #linux		Jan 21 17:32
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6975294	Jan 21 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included http://techrights.org/2016/01/21/linux-foundation-coup/		Jan 21 17:35
schestowitz	"Heartbreaking :("	Jan 21 17:35
msb_	We now see FIVE attacks on Linux: 1. systemd 2. UEFI 3. KDE5/Plasma 4. SJWs vs Linus 5. Corporatization of the Linux Foundation	Jan 21 17:41
MinceR	the LF wasn't always corporatized?	Jan 21 17:42
MinceR	also, don't forget kdbus and related efforts to fuck up the kernel	Jan 21 17:43
msb_	goes with systemd	Jan 21 17:43
msb_	LF previously had some input from smaller donors, but no longer.	Jan 21 17:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 21/1/2016: Linux Foundation, Gates	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	Foundation Under Fire; OpenStack Foundation	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	Event Coverage https://t.co/BHw7l6j7va	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofqit	Jan 21 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 21/1/2016: Linux Foundation, Gates Foundation Under Fire; OpenStack Foundation Event Coverage \| Techrights		Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/3bQJpOYGng	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofqiu	Jan 21 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat and Fedora \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/7Sa6iA1iTx	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofqiw	Jan 21 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 18:02
schestowitz	[17:47] <msb_> LF previously had some input from smaller donors, but no longer.	Jan 21 18:11
schestowitz	it's a big issue	Jan 21 18:11
schestowitz	please speak about it online	Jan 21 18:11
schestowitz	it's our first chance in years to change LF for the better	Jan 21 18:11
MinceR	like they'll change	Jan 21 18:11
MinceR	even the fsf is dead	Jan 21 18:11
schestowitz	I've noticed someone posted a response to reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included : linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofqg4 ]		Jan 21 18:11
schestowitz	maybe you can upvote it	Jan 21 18:12
schestowitz	the Mono/MS people already mock me in the comments, ad hominem	Jan 21 18:12
schestowitz	MinceR: FSF isn't dead	Jan 21 18:12
MinceR	what are they doing?	Jan 21 18:12
schestowitz	and they stabilised budget-wise	Jan 21 18:12
schestowitz	I think their budget is over $1m now	Jan 21 18:12
MinceR	what good is all that money for?	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	never underestimate their ability to rise again (they fall around 7 years aog)	Jan 21 18:13
MinceR	are they making a stand for free software?	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	that money is for campaigns	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	and for supportin g some gnu developers/projects	Jan 21 18:13
MinceR	will rms read the FSD ever again and realize it's not a copy of the OSD?	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	RMS travel expenses too	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	to help him inspire people in other countries to join the cause	Jan 21 18:13
MinceR	what good will those campaigns do if they continue supporting cancerd?	Jan 21 18:13
cubexyz	FSF did work on coreboot too	Jan 21 18:13
schestowitz	they dont' support it	Jan 21 18:14
MinceR	what good will those campaigns do if they continue supporting the destruction of GNU?	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	they make a non-statement on it	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	which arguably doesn't help eliminate it	Jan 21 18:14
MinceR	they said it's "free software"	Jan 21 18:14
MinceR	which means, according to _their_ definition, that it supports the users' freedoms	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	by their 4 freedoms def, it is...	Jan 21 18:14
MinceR	it does no such thing	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	they need to change the def	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	how about the OSD, Open Source Def?	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	did OSI ever comment on... well, anything?	Jan 21 18:14
MinceR	the OSD does what rms apparently believes the FSD is now	Jan 21 18:14
schestowitz	OSI is kind of a zombie now	Jan 21 18:15
MinceR	it's open source because it's under an open source license	Jan 21 18:15
schestowitz	right...	Jan 21 18:15
schestowitz	there are three issues ATM:	Jan 21 18:15
schestowitz	1. OSD/GPL doesn't deal well with "services'	Jan 21 18:15
schestowitz	['cloud' BS, where you keep the software tucked away without source, only HTTP as interface]	Jan 21 18:16
schestowitz	2. software patents	Jan 21 18:16
schestowitz	[I'm working almost ONLY on that ATM]	Jan 21 18:16
schestowitz	3. systemd crap and corporate abuse of Linux development	Jan 21 18:16
schestowitz	[that's why we need to pressure the LF]	Jan 21 18:16
schestowitz	1 and 2 kind of dealt with by (A)GPLv3	Jan 21 18:17
schestowitz	and (3) is an issue, esp. when LF/Trovalds continue to decline to adopt gplv3	Jan 21 18:17
schestowitz	they're funded DIRECTLY by patrons that promote swpats	Jan 21 18:17
MinceR	and it shows	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	namely (off top of head) Intel, IBM, HP...	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	And there are more	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	MS also funds them less directly	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	Not sure about Apple...	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	But IBM is close to Apple	Jan 21 18:18
schestowitz	for business crap	Jan 21 18:18
msb_	https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/39546.html "The Linux Foundation is an industry organisation dedicated to "promoting, protecting and standardising Linux and open source software"[1]. The majority of its board is chosen by the member companies - 10 by platinum members (platinum membership costs $500,000 a year), 3 by gold members (gold membership costs $100,000 a year) and 1 by silver members (silver membership costs between $5,000 and $20	Jan 21 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org \| mjg59 \| Linux Foundation quietly drops community representation		Jan 21 18:22
msb_	000 a year, depending on company size). Up until recently individual members ($99 a year) could also elect two board members, allowing for community perspectives to be represented at the board level." But that's now changed. The individual members can no longer vote for board members, and have in fact been relabelled as "individual supporters".	Jan 21 18:22
schestowitz	Jan: "Greg kroah-Hartman shares his view at https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/41x5ec/linux_foundation_quietly_drops_community/cz6193q …"	Jan 21 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| gregkh comments on Linux Foundation quietly drops community representation [ http://ur1.ca/ofqo5 ]		Jan 21 18:26
schestowitz	Good to know, will read...	Jan 21 18:26
schestowitz	from Matthew:	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	The LF was, up until recently, soliciting money from individuals with the promise that they'd be allowed to stand and vote for the board. This had been happening since 2008. Deciding to change this without giving any notice to existing members is odd.	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	they have continued to support and encourage the SFC to help educate and speak about their issues to the Linux community for all of 2005	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	Other than canceling Karen's presentation at Linuxcon Japan shortly before the event? I agree that correlation is not causation, but there's been plenty of hostile behaviour from the LF towards the SFC in the past year. The revocation of an entire class of membership and the amendment of the bylaws to remove two board seats is an unusual act, and taken in the context of this hostility it's completely reasonable to express concern that they'	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	re linked.	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:28
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	A scheduling misunderstanding that results in Karen's talk being canceled and a change in the bylaws that prevents Karen being on the board of directors. The LF is excellent at event organisation - scheduling errors are hardly common occurrences. And this is the first change in the bylaws in 8 years. Two very rare events that both end up affecting the same person could certainly be coincidence, but it's not obvious that that's the most	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	plausible explanation.	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	I've never served on a board that's made significant changes to membership, published a new version of the bylaws, rewritten the website to remove any references to the old membership class or benefits, taken down the page about the upcoming elections, changed the titles of the existing directors and somehow failed to tell anybody else that this had happened.	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:29
schestowitz	team mono is now attacking me with total nonsense https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 18:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included : linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofqg4 ]		Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	not even factual attacks, just any crap flunk at the wall to discourage people from reading the article	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	Mono/MS/Xamarin:	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	"Boycott Novell is not a credible source, it's FOSS Infowars."	Jan 21 18:30
schestowitz	And his buddies then, maybe they coordinate it:	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	"but the lizardpeople"	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	Please, techrighst are a bunch os loonies, liers, and FUD spreaders and their credibility is zero.	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	Its not worth a discussion in reddit.	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	'	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	"Next up on Techrights: How Microsoft assassinated JFK and faked the moon landing"	Jan 21 18:31
schestowitz	Maybe they mistake me for msb_ ;-p	Jan 21 18:31
msb_	You wish!	Jan 21 18:31
msb_	http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/board-members "The Linux Foundation board of directors currently consists of 16 directors, as specified by the Bylaws." This is consistent with the previous article.	Jan 21 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxfoundation.org \| Board Members [ http://ur1.ca/9xc4l ]		Jan 21 18:32
schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36063/	Jan 21 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com \| LXer: Linus Torvalds: The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included		Jan 21 18:33
schestowitz	"As long as Torvalds is alive, and the source code is available, the Linux kernel project will always exist. I've said it in the past and I'll say it again. The problem with Microsoft isn't their developers. It's the board of directors, executives, and legal team that are the problem."	Jan 21 18:33
cubexyz	reddit isn't any great thing either	Jan 21 18:34
cubexyz	just a bunch of goldfish with 2 second attention spans	Jan 21 18:34
msb_	The previous community influence in the Linux Foundation was 2 of 16 board members -- 12.5% Now it is zero.	Jan 21 18:35
cubexyz	the informational content on that section of reddit was zero	Jan 21 18:37
schestowitz	docker just contacted me	Jan 21 18:37
msb_	Anything on Ian?	Jan 21 18:39
schestowitz	nope	Jan 21 18:39
schestowitz	I checked again 2 days ago	Jan 21 18:39
schestowitz	i might check next month	Jan 21 18:39
schestowitz	but it looks like we'll hear nothing new	Jan 21 18:40
msb_	Do we still not know the cause of death?	Jan 21 18:40
schestowitz	the coroner said probabyl suicide, someone told me	Jan 21 18:40
schestowitz	but that's not really the part I'm interested in	Jan 21 18:40
schestowitz	need witnesses like neighbours regarding the run-in	Jan 21 18:40
schestowitz	the police almost certainly lied about what they did to him	Jan 21 18:40
schestowitz	and got away with it	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	to refute we need more witnesses	Jan 21 18:41
msb_	I mean gunshot, overdose, what?	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	it doesn't look like Ian's kids and ex-wife are pursuing this	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	at least not publicly	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	didn't say cause of death	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	i'm guessing hanging, based on his last tweet	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	a reply to some 4chan troll	Jan 21 18:41
schestowitz	a lot of people didn't see that tweet	Jan 21 18:42
msb_	Actual hanging would be difficult. More likely end up with slow strangulation.	Jan 21 18:44
msb_	Sorry, that is _really_ OT.	Jan 21 18:45
schestowitz	well, talks about Debian founder, so not altogether off topic imho	Jan 21 18:58
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included : linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofqg4 ]		Jan 21 19:03
schestowitz	"Linux is a corporation, BSD is a foundation. Why is that surprising?"	Jan 21 19:03
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:03
schestowitz	I just was in another thread explaining how companies love the MIT license and hate GPL.	Jan 21 19:03
schestowitz	If i had written a lot of code for FreeBSD and then Apple Inc. took my code i would cut my arm.	Jan 21 19:03
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:03
cubexyz	well if Apple was charging money yeah	Jan 21 19:14
cubexyz	if Apple was just distributing the code then no	Jan 21 19:15
cubexyz	depends if it's kernel or userland code	Jan 21 19:15
cubexyz	I thought about a different problem	Jan 21 19:19
cubexyz	what if you write a nice program and someone comes along and ports it to windows?	Jan 21 19:19
cubexyz	on the surface.. it's reasonable and it's happened	Jan 21 19:19
cubexyz	then the windows program could gain all the attention and the Unix version languishes	Jan 21 19:20
cubexyz	the motif license actually stops that from happening	Jan 21 19:20
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 19:33
schestowitz	"Seeing that has affirmed my position on this issue."	Jan 21 19:33
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	I love how RMS talks about freedom out the wazoo, but when someone brings up BSD licenses, he says "Releasing free software under a non-copyleft free software license is basically good (i.e., not evil), but that using copyleft is better."	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	Basically good? People who release software under BSD style licenses are well aware that companies can take their code and profit from it without releasing modified source code.	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	Nobody is holding a gun to you when you choose a distribution license.	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	The MIT license is far more free than the GPL will ever be. How can you claim copyleft is free? I'm not free to modify code and say screw you to the developer?	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	""True" freedom is never desirable. Nobody should be free to steal or vandalize, for example. Stopping people from performing selfish or harmful actions is a good thing. The GPL is "less free" in the same way that not being allowed to mug someone makes you "less free"."	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	If you would written the same code and release it on GLP v3 and no one would use it... what would you do?	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	And we're not talking about licensing here but about way of getting money to pay for software development.	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"You are assuming GPLv3 code is code "no one would use", which is clearly nonsense."	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	What GPL software do you use in enterprise and what permissive software do you use?	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	BSD and Apache 2 rule the world.	Jan 21 19:34
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:34
cubexyz	gcc?	Jan 21 19:35
cubexyz	kind of important	Jan 21 19:35
schestowitz	kind of ;-)	Jan 21 19:46
schestowitz	even for Linux	Jan 21 19:46
schestowitz	I think at least a few of the GPL violators that are on the members list are VMware (of course), Mediatek, and Allwinner. Do anyone has any other that you can think of?"	Jan 21 19:48
schestowitz	"For the record BTW, I do believe there are problems in the "new Microsoft". My favorite is the Casper Bowden fiasco: http://www.networkworld.com/article/2866286/microsoft-subnet/former-microsoft-chief-privacy-officer-on-the-cloud-conspiracy.html'	Jan 21 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com \| Former Microsoft Chief Privacy Officer on the Cloud Conspiracy \| Network World [ http://ur1.ca/ofr2y ]		Jan 21 19:49
schestowitz	"Ooooohhh you almost got me OP. Almost clicked that link. "	Jan 21 19:49
schestowitz	Trolls from MS Mono try to just defame me there	Jan 21 19:49
schestowitz	"Kind of ironic comment, considering this thread is all about lamenting the (GPLv2'd) Linux kernel's Foundation being too corporate-ised."	Jan 21 19:49
schestowitz	Copyleft restricts people from restricting others. If the argument for releasing under MIT license is "I should give others' freedom in their software usage", then GPL is an alternative, and potentially better, strategy for achieving that."	Jan 21 19:50
cubexyz	I don't really have the heart to argue against BSD folks	Jan 21 19:55
cubexyz	a lot of good things originated from Unix/BSD	Jan 21 19:55
cubexyz	so I use both BSD and Linux (and historical Bell Labs Unix)	Jan 21 19:56
schestowitz	"Oh hell no - you leave us openSUSE/SLE users out of it!"	Jan 21 20:00
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 20:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included : linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofqg4 ]		Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"GPL-Violator Allwinner Joins The Linux Foundation"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=allwinner-joins-lf	Jan 21 20:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| GPL-Violator Allwinner Joins The Linux Foundation - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/mt3ov ]		Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	I wonder why Linus Torvalds endorsed this foundation. He gave them access to the trademark too. Maybe the name Linux Foundation should have been used for a more appropriate organization. Something like FSF. The current Linux Foundation is an organization that promotes the use of linux in commercial space.	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"It would be GPL and FOSS incompatible."	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"I'm not free to modify code and say screw you to the developer and every single user?"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	FTFY	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 20:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/yuhong2/status/690262418094628864	Jan 21 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@yuhong2: @schestowitz To make it clear, you are arguing that all telemetry is bad, right?		Jan 21 20:29
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oiaohm	schestowitz: there are many companies that joined the Linux foundation while they were GPL violators then cleaned up their act. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2012/03/fluendo-lineo-solutions-mocana-and-nvidia-join-linux-foundation	Jan 21 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxfoundation.org \| Fluendo, Lineo Solutions, Mocana and NVIDIA Join The Linux Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/ofreg ]		Jan 21 21:01
oiaohm	schestowitz: that back in 2012 is really lot more controveral than allwinner.	Jan 21 21:01
oiaohm	Remember 2012 Nvidia was still hostile about giving any documentation to open source nvidia hardware driver developers.	Jan 21 21:02
oiaohm	schestowitz: now what makes it super controlersal is this. http://www.wired.com/2012/06/torvalds-nvidia-linux/ Yes Nvidia joins the Linux foundation a few days latter Linus lets them have it.	Jan 21 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wired.com \| Linus Torvalds Gives Nvidia the Finger. Literally \| WIRED [ http://ur1.ca/ofrev ]		Jan 21 21:03
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oiaohm	schestowitz: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2015/06/new-linux-foundation-members-advance-open-source-enterprise I like the allwinner statement.	Jan 21 21:18
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oiaohm	schestowitz: "Allwinner is joining the Linux Foundation to support Linux and to improve what we see as two important open source software development capabilities: collaboration and compliance," said Jack Lee, Chief Marketing Officer, Allwinner Technology. "These two concepts are critical yet difficult to master for new Linux community entrants like ourselves."	Jan 21 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Certified Engineer: Francisco	Jan 21 21:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation Certified Engineer: Francisco Tsao \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 21:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox OS \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 21:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source database player MariaDB appoints	Jan 21 21:20
TweetTuxMachines	Michael Howard as CEO https://t.co/pElJfBvlpb	Jan 21 21:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source database player MariaDB appoints Michael Howard as CEO \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 21:20
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schestowitz	oiaohm: i know	Jan 21 23:26
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 21 23:28
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schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	ITT: People asking for a better source as if this is a revelation.	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	The Linux Foundation is a consortium of corporations guys, their interest is of course purposing Linux to corporate ends, is that surprising?	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	The discussion is not whether or not RH, GNOME, Linux Foundation, Freedesktop.org and all those other big organizations whose staff is mostly employed by organizations with a profit margin serve a corporate agendum first and foremost. The discussion is whether by doing so they benefit us or not.	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	One may argue that in doing so we are benefited, not an argument I necessarily agree with but a reasonable one all the same. Arguing against that these organizations with a profit margin staffed by people paid by organizations with a profit margin are some-how not looking after the corporate interest of their employers is ridiculous. If they did not do so they should be fired. If you're employed by a corporation your first and foremost	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	responsibility is the financial well being of that corporation. It's almost like asking whether a lawyer should look out for the interests of his or her client.	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	"/r/stallmanwasright"	Jan 21 23:28
schestowitz	"I am in particular talking about the culture though."	Jan 21 23:29
schestowitz	"The fiasco definitely doesn't fit under the "new Microsoft" label then; it occurred squarely under Balmer. Also, I'll take the reason he says he was fired with a grain of salt; I never outright trust what anyone says when they've been fired from a company."	Jan 21 23:29
schestowitz	LOL	Jan 21 23:29
schestowitz	"But I am thinking that Satya probably made it worse, see Win10 for an example."	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	"We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the W10 stuff is far more a mountain-from-a-mole-hill situation."	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	Looks like some Microsoft PR got in there..	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	"Once they start buying the nice things in life like they would expect of their "standing" it is game over and Linux foundation be owned."	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	Down voted due to the crap that techrights posts, if you're british you would know of the sun newspaper.... well techrights is basically the sun but for the computer industry.	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	They have no credible sources and yes the linux foundation isn't all that its cracked up to be but thats got nothing to do with microsoft, techrights just bash microsoft for the sake of it.	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	Has a lot to do with Microsoft	Jan 21 23:30
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	Time to fork Linux. I obviously mean in a comprehensive sustained way with much backing from the community, not just some random guy forking it and adding features on his own. I'm talking about Linux's "LibreSSL" moment.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	Even better if we start with a Grsec kernel and go from there.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	What a fucking load of bullshit.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	We have /nothing/ to do with this. We have /nothing/ to do with the LXF's changes.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	These mother fuckers have VMWare influencing them and AllWinner on the board.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	And you fucking want to point the finger at MS?	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	I've just about fucking had it with how far this subreddit's members have their heads shoved up an anti-MS asshole.	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	the MSFTers have arrived	Jan 21 23:31
schestowitz	to plant seeds of BS	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	LITERALLY THE ONLY LINK MS HAS TO ANY OF THIS IS:	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	We open sourced Chakra and are in the process of contributing it back to node.js. The node community seems very excited about this as Chakra is faster than V8, has more of ES6 implemented, AND breaks up the V8-monoculture that has permeated node.js.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	There's no downside. The community has been very welcoming.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	That's the ONLY link this article uses to trash Microsoft. Fuck off. Microsoft has nothing to do with the problems at LXF right now.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	LMFAO. You've got to be fucking kidding me, right?	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	Our "open source strategy team" is a bunch of fucking dorky tech-heads that probably lurk in /r/linux and wound up in this group at Microsoft because they wanted to be part of the OSS community.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	Really, the FUD here, as someone who knows the day-to-day reality... it just makes you all look incredibly god damn childish.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	Don't even say what's not correct	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	If you would written the same code and release it on GLP v3 and no one would use it... what would you do?	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	And we're not talking about licensing here but about way of getting money to pay for software development.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	You are assuming GPLv3 code is code "no one would use", which is clearly nonsense."	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	What GPL software do you use in enterprise and what permissive software do you use?	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	BSD and Apache 2 rule the world.	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"Kind of ironic comment, considering this thread is all about lamenting the (GPLv2'd) Linux kernel's Foundation being too corporate-ised."	Jan 21 23:32
schestowitz	"Pretty much everything is GPL. The kernel. Userland, for the most part."	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"Pretty much the only GPL thing I use at work is... git."	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"So you don't use Linux or any of the gnu userland. Color me skeptical."	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	No, I write software infrastructure for loans and credits, it's oracle-java based, runs on Windows, we write in IDEA, work with maven which is apace licensed, all libraries we use are of course apache and BSD licenced, because it would be too problematic too attach any GPL code. In many cases we had to develop wheels all over, because from financial and legal POV it's cheaper than attacking GPL library. Code hosted on gitlab (MIT) on Docker	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Apache2). Some people write in Spring (apache2) in Eclipse (eclipse public license). I use Firefox (MPL + GPL), but it's not essential to my work.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	The only GPL thing we use is git. GPL has no place in the industry. It's permissive or close-source. Google and IBM and MS are working on RISC architecture reborn, it will be BSD-licensed hardware+software (also firmware), companies decided it have to be BSD or nothing.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Software like Linux are too technologically advanced and too important to be lead by community, and because Linux foundation model is to get rich supporters it had to happen sooner or later, BSD is foundation driven by donations from supporters, not "financial leaders" who dictate what development steps system will follow: https://i.imgur.com/iC0j45J.png	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Anyone who complains about this issue and had never given any donation to FSF or Linux should just stay quiet, you can't get Linux for free, so you have to deal with companies that pay for it.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors	Jan 21 23:33
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schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"I dint know what industry you work in, but everything is gpl. It's the license de rigueur."	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Not all people feel this way, which is why some release their code under very permissive licenses.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Part of writing code for FreeBSD is using their list of acceptable licenses and the repercussions of such licenses, including the possible commercial use.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	It is very likely that code contributed to FreeBSD will be used by Apple because of the close ties between the two operating systems.	Jan 21 23:33
schestowitz	Apple also uses some GPL stuff, like CUPS, which they maintain.	Jan 21 23:33
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oiaohm	schestowitz: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201393 apple in fact uses a lot of different GPL stuff all over the place in OS X.	Jan 21 23:37
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schestowitz	yes, is that a good thing?	Jan 21 23:42
oiaohm	Here is the insanity. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-amd64/2011-March/013740.html Even Sony making game stations has been forced to upstream so much using BSD licenses due to how much maintaince effect not upstreaming is.	Jan 21 23:43
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oiaohm	So the bit about GPL forcing the release of source code being a problem. People forget not releasing source code can be equally big problem.	Jan 21 23:44
oiaohm	schestowitz: with apple bash and other GPL parts have got patches from Apple developers. So good thing.	Jan 21 23:45
schestowitz	can you show me apple.com addresses committing changes to GNU projects?	Jan 21 23:45
schestowitz	I can't think of any (GNU)	Jan 21 23:46
schestowitz	like bash...	Jan 21 23:46
oiaohm	schestowitz: you will never see that. Annoying all Apple developers have personalised email addresses. Goes back to steven jobs. remember steven jobs exploited loop hole in law to always drive cars without number plates.	Jan 21 23:53
oiaohm	Basically it simple to find redhat, intel, ibm.... everyone else contributors than apples.	Jan 21 23:54
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 22 00:14
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schestowitz	"	Jan 22 00:15
schestowitz	Time to fork Linux. I obviously mean in a comprehensive sustained way with much backing from the community, not just some random guy forking it and adding features on his own. I'm talking about Linux's "LibreSSL" moment.	Jan 22 00:15
schestowitz	Even better if we start with a Grsec kernel and go from there.	Jan 22 00:15
schestowitz	'	Jan 22 00:15
schestowitz	"Once they start buying the nice things in life like they would expect of their "standing" it is game over and Linux foundation be owned."	Jan 22 00:15
schestowitz	oiaohm: so the answer regarding apple and gnu is no	Jan 22 00:16
schestowitz	to your best knowledge	Jan 22 00:16
schestowitz	apple.com address do show up in some bsd things like clang/llvm	Jan 22 00:16
schestowitz	anyway, they took lgpl khtml	Jan 22 00:16
schestowitz	made it their own pretty much	Jan 22 00:17
schestowitz	webkit	Jan 22 00:17
schestowitz	as for jobs, I once heard this story	Jan 22 00:17
schestowitz	which I cannot verify with a link	Jan 22 00:17
oiaohm	schestowitz: apple addresses show up when they have maintainership.	Jan 22 00:17
schestowitz	it's about jobs contacting mit (IIRC) to urge them to supoort gnu and rms	Jan 22 00:17
oiaohm	Not invidual submissions.	Jan 22 00:17
schestowitz	commits are not made anonymosuly	Jan 22 00:18
schestowitz	unless for some bizarre reason 9-5 apple staff uses pseusonyms	Jan 22 00:18
oiaohm	Even some redhat developers don't sumbit under redhat email addresses.	Jan 22 00:18
schestowitz	but you know who they are	Jan 22 00:19
schestowitz	base don their namee	Jan 22 00:19
schestowitz	BTW, NSA too submits patches, via redhat.com addresses	Jan 22 00:19
schestowitz	pushing it via Fedora/Red Hat devs, someone told me (who works for red hat)	Jan 22 00:19
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oiaohm	schestowitz: I could remember Michael Sweets off top of head. The others are harder. I can tell you that does not actively develop some gnu package. They are all 1 off patches address issues.	Jan 22 00:47
oiaohm	schestowitz: what drew my attention was particular developers doing a lot of OS X releated patches for items like bash that are normally not built third party due to being supplied with OS X.	Jan 22 00:48
oiaohm	schestowitz: so could they do more yes. But they are not doing nothing.	Jan 22 00:49
schestowitz	"What's wrong with corporations? You sound like a bunch of whiny liberals. There's nothing in the GPL saying you can't use free software to make money."	Jan 22 01:02
oiaohm	Not all corporations.	Jan 22 01:04
oiaohm	Percentage of corporations complain long and loud about GPL.	Jan 22 01:04
oiaohm	Percentage of corporations don't care.	Jan 22 01:05
oiaohm	and a Percentage got on with the job of using GPL selling support and making money.	Jan 22 01:05
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oiaohm	Sad part is cost $12000 dollars per person could apply upgrade those systems to WIndows 10, OS X or anything else yet I expect trolls not to know that.	Jan 22 01:28
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MinceR	014916 < oiaohm> schestowitz: so could they do more yes. But they are not doing nothing.	Jan 22 01:43
MinceR	they're doing worse than nothing	Jan 22 01:43
MinceR	they've sold the idea of locked-down, backdoored, dumbed-down computers to the masses	Jan 22 01:43
MinceR	they're one of the main reasons closed platforms are spreading	Jan 22 01:44
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oiaohm	MinceR: again that is still not doing nothing. Dumbed-down computers is the idea Apple started with even when they were fully closed source.	Jan 22 01:46
MinceR	yeah	Jan 22 01:46
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oiaohm	MinceR: the idea of dumbed down interface may not be wrong. Backdoored and locked-down in ways end users cannot control those without question fail secuirty base principles so are absolutely wrong.	Jan 22 01:55
MinceR	i can't decode that	Jan 22 01:55
MinceR	anyway, dumbed down interfaces do not belong on general purpose computers	Jan 22 01:55
MinceR	then again, crApple and their like are doing everything they can to make general purpose computers a thing of the past	Jan 22 01:56
oiaohm	Nothing says general purpose computer has to require lots of training to use.	Jan 22 01:56
oiaohm	So the idea of simplified straight forwards interfaces of apple could the correct way.	Jan 22 01:57
MinceR	if the ui limits you to a small set of options (or none), you can't express the things you could otherwise do with a computer	Jan 22 01:57
MinceR	removing options because they might confuse idiots is not the correct way	Jan 22 01:57
oiaohm	Simplified straight forward interfaces does not say no advanced option buttons.	Jan 22 01:58
MinceR	removing functionality because they might confuse idiots is not the correct way	Jan 22 01:58
MinceR	the crApple/gnome way has no place for "advanced option buttons"	Jan 22 01:58
oiaohm	MinceR: you do find advanced option buttons in difference places in OS X and OS i	Jan 22 01:59
oiaohm	Gnome not having them at all is 100 percent problem.	Jan 22 01:59
MinceR	yeah, i've seen the system settings dialog in OSux	Jan 22 01:59
MinceR	it's a joke.	Jan 22 01:59
MinceR	and some of the settings they did put in do not even work	Jan 22 02:00
oiaohm	That is poor implementation of the idea.	Jan 22 02:00
MinceR	like the alleged shortcut for more keyboard-friendly GUI still doesn't let you select some widgets	Jan 22 02:00
oiaohm	In fact settings not connected to anything is poor coding.	Jan 22 02:00
MinceR	macos is not a work environment, it's a toy	Jan 22 02:00
MinceR	and where humanity's going, there won't be any tools or workstations, there will be only toys and prisons	Jan 22 02:01
oiaohm	Backdoors breach basic security principles. Build in a backdoor someone else other than you will use it one day.	Jan 22 02:01
MinceR	yet our governments and oligarchs love backdoors so much	Jan 22 02:02
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oiaohm	Even when long term it always results in them hacked they don't learn from history. If they did they would not want back doors.	Jan 22 02:03
oiaohm	Locked down computer with the keys in the own of the machines hands is good. Locked down like what apple is doing is putting trust that apple will not be forced to hand over master keys to government or get breached themselves.	Jan 22 02:05
MinceR	even if they aren't forced or breached, they're untrustworthy	Jan 22 02:05
MinceR	i wouldn't let those criminals have such access to any piece of my infrastructure	Jan 22 02:05
oiaohm	Basically its the old Polyculture vs monoculture from cropping.	Jan 22 02:06
oiaohm	The better your diversity in protection values the harder a security system is to attack.	Jan 22 02:07
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oiaohm	So a lock down system in control of the supplier is less of a Polyculture than a lock down system that the owner controls.	Jan 22 02:08
oiaohm	MinceR: basically we have learnt nothing from history. Monoculture was proven bad from many famines cause by crop infections.	Jan 22 02:09
oiaohm	To be correct learnt nothing from history or nature.	Jan 22 02:09
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Jan 22 09:11
oiaohm	cubexyz: we are not free of monoculture risks just yet but its better than it was for a long time.	Jan 22 09:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/DJJesC/status/690448249359044608	Jan 22 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DJJesC: @d_seaman pretty much what he said. https://t.co/s5ANjyb7CP		Jan 22 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #facebook has done enormous damage to people's lives, people's time, people's egos, the Internet and the world. It's our job to undo this.		Jan 22 09:17
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/420l5d/the_linux_foundation_has_become_like_a_corporate/	Jan 22 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The Linux Foundation Has Become Like a Corporate Think Tank, Microsoft Influence Included : linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofqg4 ]		Jan 22 09:18
schestowitz	"Dorky tech head lurker, can confirm."	Jan 22 09:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GParted Live 0.25.0-1 Is Based on Debian Sid,	Jan 22 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.3.3, and GParted 0.25.0	Jan 22 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/i9S1HqiIGc (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofudk	Jan 22 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GParted Live 0.25.0-1 Is Based on Debian Sid, Linux Kernel 4.3.3, and GParted 0.25.0		Jan 22 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kwort Linux 4.3.1 Officially Released with	Jan 22 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	Security Patches, Bootloader Improvements	Jan 22 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/cEHO6AYN86 (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofudl	Jan 22 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Kwort Linux 4.3.1 Officially Released with Security Patches, Bootloader Improvements		Jan 22 09:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.4 Milestone Brings the GNOME 3.20	Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	Desktop Environment Closer to Reality	Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/PRkYKbCkzU (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofudz	Jan 22 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GNOME 3.19.4 Milestone Brings the GNOME 3.20 Desktop Environment Closer to Reality		Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Maps 3.19.4 Is Out with OpenStreetMap	Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements, Keyboard Navigation Overlay	Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/L4nTlrsHIU (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofue0	Jan 22 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GNOME Maps 3.19.4 Is Out with OpenStreetMap Improvements, Keyboard Navigation Overlay		Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux Gets a Rolling Edition with	Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	Continuously Updated Penetration Testing Tools	Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ofRn0qCQN5 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofue1	Jan 22 09:25
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cubexyz	don't listen to wintards that only know how to use windows and nothing else	Jan 22 09:42
cubexyz	I've used windows, and I rejected it	Jan 22 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Early 2016 Look: OpenCL & CUDA Comparison On 13	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	NVIDIA GPUs https://t.co/qbkZUEqOaV	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofufz	Jan 22 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Early 2016 Look: OpenCL & CUDA Comparison On 13 NVIDIA GPUs - Phoronix		Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines USB Suspend Changes Coming For The Linux 4.5	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel https://t.co/JdmaxoeW3k	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofug0	Jan 22 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| USB Suspend Changes Coming For The Linux 4.5 Kernel - Phoronix		Jan 22 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sink or swim is one way to learn Linux	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/LCYSt9cisS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofug1	Jan 22 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Sink or swim is one way to learn Linux \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines USB Suspend Changes Coming For The Linux 4.5	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel https://t.co/3Z8eBN4Lv8	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofug3	Jan 22 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| USB Suspend Changes Coming For The Linux 4.5 Kernel \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Update https://t.co/nQjOpAy5wf	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofug4	Jan 22 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation Update \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	Remaining Bugs Before GNOME 3.20	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OKePKqIc0z (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofug5	Jan 22 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last Remaining Bugs Before GNOME 3.20 \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 09:43
cubexyz	the real experts of computing: David A. Huffman, Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie	Jan 22 09:44
cubexyz	I can't believe how shitty windows is... really it's nothing to be proud of	Jan 22 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Wayland ready yet? https://t.co/sz1FfDd2DG	Jan 22 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofugf	Jan 22 09:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is Wayland ready yet? \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 09:45
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GParted Live 0.25.0-1 Is Based on Debian Sid,...'		Jan 22 09:45
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Kwort Linux 4.3.1 Officially Released with Security Patches,...'		Jan 22 09:45
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME 3.19.4 Milestone Brings the GNOME 3.20 Desktop...'		Jan 22 09:45
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Maps 3.19.4 Is Out with OpenStreetMap Improvements,...'		Jan 22 09:45
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Kali Linux Gets a Rolling Edition with Continuously...'		Jan 22 09:45
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MaMagruder/status/690470012000321536	Jan 22 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MaMagruder: Omfg this is the best https://t.co/1qmtwZImXd		Jan 22 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Canada may "scrub" #CETA rule allowing corporations to sue governments but we'll keep it in the TPP? https://t.co/oVnr6SIA7f #isds #tpp		Jan 22 09:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Chaim__Goldberg/status/690470209879183360	Jan 22 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Chaim__Goldberg: *Criminal Bruce Jenner https://t.co/DowYjGC172		Jan 22 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Students hit back at fancy-dress #censorship https://t.co/4r8eC9yphK https://t.co/S6KfRJKEYT policy gone awry		Jan 22 09:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/DJJesC/status/690448249359044608	Jan 22 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DJJesC: @d_seaman pretty much what he said. https://t.co/s5ANjyb7CP		Jan 22 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #facebook has done enormous damage to people's lives, people's time, people's egos, the Internet and the world. It's our job to undo this.		Jan 22 09:56
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6976983	Jan 22 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "How transatlantic regulatory cooperation under TTIP will allow bureaucrats and big business to attack the public interest" http://corporateeurope.org/international-trade/2016/01/dangerous-regulatory-duet		Jan 22 09:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/690477179646447616	Jan 22 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @Softpedia Not willing to use a kali rolling release full time yet but I shall put this on a spare x60 to see how it goes.		Jan 22 10:21
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last Remaining...'		Jan 22 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Headliner: Will Android On PC Finally	Jan 22 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	Become Mainstream? https://t.co/8WOUyFRPll	Jan 22 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Jan 22 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofunc	Jan 22 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com \| Android Headliner: Will Android On PC Finally Become Mainstream? \| Androidheadlines.com		Jan 22 11:00
*TweetTuxMachines @s3eed_IT favourited 'Android Headliner: Will Android On PC Finally Become...'		Jan 22 11:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CoH2 The Western Front Armies Is Arriving For	Jan 22 11:17
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Next Week https://t.co/C6136QDvje	Jan 22 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 22 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofupl	Jan 22 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| CoH2 The Western Front Armies Is Arriving For Linux Next Week - Phoronix		Jan 22 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.4 released https://t.co/tSKEeT09ni	Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	(permalink.gmane.org)	Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofupx	Jan 22 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org \| GNOME 3.19.4 released		Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sink or swim is one way to learn Linux	Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pjoEjePYF8 (opensource.com)	Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofupy	Jan 22 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Brian Rogers tells us how he got started with Linux \| Opensource.com		Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Update https://t.co/MycqDKG0f0	Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxfoundation.org) parts of it	Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	reassuring, others more like damage control	Jan 22 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxfoundation.org \| Linux Foundation Update		Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofupz	Jan 22 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	Remaining Bugs Before GNOME 3.20	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SFdsmJstJW (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuq8	Jan 22 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last Remaining Bugs Before GNOME 3.20		Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Shell Adds Style Week Numbers in	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	Calendar, Mutter Support Screen Rotation	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KxG2e4laGE (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuq9	Jan 22 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GNOME Shell Adds Style Week Numbers in Calendar, Mutter Support Screen Rotation		Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use of	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	the Name, Cub Linux Is Born	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/03HR6ZFclz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqa	Jan 22 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use of the Name, Cub Linux Is Born \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BQ is about to drop an Ubuntu tablet that	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	doubles as a PC https://t.co/CKJFyvzCdd	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqf	Jan 22 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BQ is about to drop an Ubuntu tablet that doubles as a PC \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android on PC https://t.co/h0pSfmSJmk	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqg	Jan 22 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android on PC \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Wayland ready yet? https://t.co/4X2786UhpS	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(who-t.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqh	Jan 22 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-who-t.blogspot.co.uk \| Who-T: Is Wayland ready yet?		Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use of	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	the Name, Cub Linux Is Born	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/cRGOb65Ozg (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 22 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuqi	Jan 22 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use of the Name, Cub Linux Is Born		Jan 22 11:23
schestowitz	http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/23171/linux-foundation-gemeinschaft-im-vorstand-nicht-mehr-erwuenscht.html	Jan 22 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pro-linux.de \| Linux Foundation: Gemeinschaft im Vorstand nicht mehr erwünscht - Pro-Linux [ http://ur1.ca/ofuek ]		Jan 22 11:28
schestowitz	"Das Programm der individuellen Mitgliedschaft der Linux Foundation wurde entsprechend in Individual Supporter umbenannt. Die Bedingungen und Vergünstigungen sind wie bisher, vielleicht sogar besser, nur das aktive und passive Wahlrecht entfällt. Die Gemeinschaft hat immer noch eine Stimme im Vorstand, und zwar über den technischen Beirat (TAB), der einen Vertreter aus der Gemeinschaft wählt. Neben Garrett sehen auch Beobachter wie Roy	Jan 22 11:28
schestowitz	Schestowitz in dem Schritt eine Abwendung von der Gemeinschaft, möglicherweise als direkte Folge einer Beeinflussung durch Microsoft. Die einzige Reaktion der Linux Foundation bestand bisher darin, bestehende Individualmitgliedschaften nicht mehr automatisch zu verlängern - möglicherweise, weil aufgrund der Satzungsänderung sowieso ein außerordentliches Kündigungsrecht besteht."	Jan 22 11:28
schestowitz	techrights	Jan 22 11:28
schestowitz	also in http://www.golem.de/news/matthew-garrett-linux-foundation-verhindert-vorstand-aus-der-community-1601-118671.html http://www.computerbase.de/2016-01/wirtschaft-linux-foundation-schwaecht-community-vertreter/	Jan 22 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.golem.de \| Matthew Garrett: Linux Foundation verhindert Vorstand aus der Community - Golem.de [ http://ur1.ca/ofuqs ]		Jan 22 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerbase.de \| Wirtschaft: Linux Foundation schwächt Community-Vertreter - ComputerBase [ http://ur1.ca/ofuqt ]		Jan 22 11:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/690494134646411264	Jan 22 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wood5y: @schestowitz I've been a Linux user for 11 years & I'm still learning. My ignorance threshold is now more rarefied.		Jan 22 11:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6976983	Jan 22 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "How transatlantic regulatory cooperation under TTIP will allow bureaucrats and big business to attack the public interest" http://corporateeurope.org/international-trade/2016/01/dangerous-regulatory-duet		Jan 22 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> corporateeurope.org \| Dangerous Regulatory Duet \| Corporate Europe Observatory [ http://ur1.ca/ofuhp ]		Jan 22 11:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BQ is about to drop an Ubuntu tablet that	Jan 22 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	doubles as a PC https://t.co/QL2J7u79JG	Jan 22 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.digitaltrends.com)	Jan 22 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofurf	Jan 22 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaltrends.com \| BQ Is About to Drop the World's First Ubuntu Tablet \| Digital Trends		Jan 22 11:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Evolution Email and Groupware Client Fixes Last Remaining...'		Jan 22 11:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Shell Adds Style Week Numbers in Calendar,...'		Jan 22 11:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use...'		Jan 22 11:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Google Asks Chromixium OS Devs to Cease Use...'		Jan 22 11:38
schestowitz	[01:44] <MinceR> they're one of the main reasons closed platforms are spreading	Jan 22 12:04
schestowitz	You mean like ChromeOS?	Jan 22 12:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@timwillo Looking forward to hearing @Mark_Antony at the	Jan 22 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Open for Business 2.0 Conference in Dublin	Jan 22 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	@SiriusCorp Castle -2nd March... Open Data, Source,	Jan 22 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	Standard	Jan 22 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofuvh	Jan 22 12:28
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		Jan 22 17:44
*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Jan 22 17:44
schestowitz	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2016/Jan-22.html	Jan 22 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tirania.org \| Shared Projects or PCL? - Miguel de Icaza		Jan 22 18:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No single license to success	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/S3dfN8pXBK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwj8	Jan 22 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| No single license to success \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/7jy9dnShCZ	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwj9	Jan 22 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 8 Reasons to Consider Open-Source Databases for	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	Your Business https://t.co/onQDYU7eX4	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwja	Jan 22 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 8 Reasons to Consider Open-Source Databases for Your Business \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux Reviewed, Release	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SXgqf4dOVy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofwjb	Jan 22 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kali Linux Reviewed, Release \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 19:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation News https://t.co/4OBBOTYzWX	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 22:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics https://t.co/C3kNZIJ1MT	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 22:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.5 Through Linux 4.4 Kernel Benchmarks:	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	A 19-Way Kernel Showdown Shows Some Regressions	Jan 22 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3Gj2PWnshh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 22:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat News https://t.co/6bA7d2pasX	Jan 22 22:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/lddgD0YRQ3	Jan 22 22:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE 14X https://t.co/M8qNt9rT7m	Jan 23 01:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LF's Zemlin: Nothing's Changed Quit Complaining	Jan 23 01:41
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0dw3XqyZCg (ostatic.com) covering	Jan 23 01:41
TweetTuxMachines	up the core issue	Jan 23 01:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Stoney APUs Bring ETC2 Open-Source Driver	Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	Support https://t.co/DGD98xKBvw	Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 09:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Miguel de Icaza says "Linux kernel source code	Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	such a pleasure to use" https://t.co/0lwvXSHRoL	Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	(tirania.org) but serves #microsoft	Jan 23 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jg4yHsEnOZ (techrights.org)	Jan 23 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tirania.org \| Shared Projects or PCL? - Miguel de Icaza		Jan 23 09:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/690827200623415296	Jan 23 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: #Україна Мораль истории с кибератаками? Вообще не пользоваться ничем от microsoft. https://t.co/D0999uLWr2		Jan 23 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Moral of the #ukraine story? Don't use #microsoft https://t.co/lMCQdqEPQc https://t.co/pw2T2Ssk2S https://t.co/MrB7HqJVua		Jan 23 09:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/robtaylor78/status/690836493045207040	Jan 23 10:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bloomberglabs.com \| About \| Bloomberg API \| Bloomberg Labs		Jan 23 10:03
schestowitz	Thanks	Jan 23 10:03
*TweetTuxMachines @BenLeeNR favourited 'Indus OS Raises $5M To Make Android Work...'		Jan 23 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines uNav GPS navigator for Ubuntu Touch Receives	Jan 23 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	Several Improvements https://t.co/XgkqfH1sd0	Jan 23 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 11:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on with Kali Linux Rolling	Jan 23 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/PnEEKk3kj0 (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 23 11:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Hands-on with Kali Linux Rolling \| ZDNet		Jan 23 11:06
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'uNav GPS navigator for Ubuntu Touch Receives Several...'		Jan 23 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port	Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	on their radar https://t.co/SgxdAkO3tr	Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 23 11:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Wayland status update https://t.co/ENJzlDVwiK	Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzr8	Jan 23 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port on their radar \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 23 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/01/22/a-wayland-status-update-2/ )		Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Bug Butcher released for Linux & SteamOS,	Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	here's some thoughts for you	Jan 23 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ysnSZVrGsi (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 23 11:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 things every Android user should know	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/UJONBWfCec (www.technobuffalo.com)	Jan 23 12:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Development kit runs Linux on Renesas	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	Cortex-A15 SoC https://t.co/Eh2xDu1Kvz	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 23 12:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Development kit runs Linux on Renesas Cortex-A15 SoC · LinuxGizmos.com		Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PulseAudio 8.0 Officially Released	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eJJdcorlQX (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/yOd0avjb07 (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5VJfEjgq0U (www.winehq.org)	Jan 23 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| PulseAudio 8.0 Officially Released		Jan 23 12:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| PulseAudio 8.0 Brings Systemd Journal Logging, OS X / NetBSD Improvements - Phoronix		Jan 23 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org \| WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.9.2 is now available.		Jan 23 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's Gedit App to Be Known as "Text Editor"	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	Among GNU/Linux Distributions	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/WLVsBYljuz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 12:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why open source is the 'new normal' for big	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	data https://t.co/yXX7M6DqzL	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 12:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why open source is the 'new normal' for big data \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	elementary OS https://t.co/3OfCwucFfc	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/ofzwq	Jan 23 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for elementary OS \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 12:29
msb_	Habitat (1997) -- a wonderful sci-fi movie starring Alice Krige (Borg Queen, Mother Vamp in Sleepwalkers) in another courageous role. Humanity has destroyed the ozone layer, causing intense UV bombardment, but a scientist develops a method for humanity to evolve biologically into a whole new life-form. The movie is obtainable.	Jan 23 12:29
*TweetTuxMachines @fndraising favourited 'Indus OS Raises $5M To Make Android Work...'		Jan 23 12:57
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App...'		Jan 23 12:57
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME's Gedit App to Be Known as "Text...'		Jan 23 12:57
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MinceR	msb_: so do we	Jan 23 14:06
MinceR	msb_: and we don't have anything else	Jan 23 14:07
MinceR	atv makes a really weak pretense of being opposition, but that fell apart when its owner commanded its most vocal opposition program to be shut down	Jan 23 14:07
msb_	At least you can access alternative new sites on the Web.	Jan 23 14:08
msb_	Do you get RT?	Jan 23 14:08
MinceR	i do	Jan 23 14:08
msb_	Lots of good stuff on there.	Jan 23 14:08
MinceR	but under those provisions, they can shut down internet access as well	Jan 23 14:08
MinceR	what's more worrying is that they can also restrict travel	Jan 23 14:08
MinceR	locking down the borders, just like under the communist/socialist dictatorship	Jan 23 14:09
MinceR	to prevent the slaves from escaping	Jan 23 14:09
msb_	It would be very bad PR if they did that.	Jan 23 14:09
msb_	Best for you to focus on the world as it is, not the worst case of how it might be.	Jan 23 14:10
msb_	Live in the now.	Jan 23 14:11
msb_	Imagining a dystopic future will make you depressed.	Jan 23 14:11
msb_	If it does get bad you can fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQMAGT-3wx4	Jan 23 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| talking heads - life during wartime - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/og059 ]		Jan 23 14:15
MinceR	me and what army?	Jan 23 14:17
msb_	The army of other displeased people. You're not the only one.	Jan 23 14:18
msb_	Watch RT. They cover events of the whole world.	Jan 23 14:19
msb_	It's not controlled by Putin.	Jan 23 14:19
MinceR	most people embrace oppression	Jan 23 14:20
MinceR	and yes it is	Jan 23 14:20
MinceR	even people i would previously mistake for intelligent people on irc keep echoing orban's bullshit to me	Jan 23 14:20
MinceR	and other nazi bullshit too	Jan 23 14:21
MinceR	this is nazi hungary	Jan 23 14:21
msb_	Nazi like Ukraine or just authoritarian?	Jan 23 14:23
MinceR	nazi like nazi germany and putin	Jan 23 14:23
msb_	you're confusing a corporatist political movement with authoritarianism.	Jan 23 14:24
msb_	Putin is authoritarian. He's not nazi.	Jan 23 14:24
msb_	If you confuse concepts, you won't be able to think accurately.	Jan 23 14:25
MinceR	he's also fascist, nationalist, is in cahoots with a cult and is trying to bring back an empire that called itself communist and socialist	Jan 23 14:25
MinceR	i'm just tired of the various authoritarian sects' game of "we're totally different from those guys which makes us good!"	Jan 23 14:26
MinceR	i'm also tired of various cults trying on labels by the dozen in the hope that it will obscure their true nature	Jan 23 14:26
msb_	He's doing some good things -- fighting ISIL working with various non-US-aligned nations economically.	Jan 23 14:27
msb_	You are purposely distorting your thinking.	Jan 23 14:27
MinceR	yeah, it's interesting how putler and the us allegedly "fighting" ISIL somehow end up attacking each other's allies	Jan 23 14:28
MinceR	but i'm sure they both want to beat the ISIL	Jan 23 14:28
MinceR	it's not like they both want a place where they can test their military equipment	Jan 23 14:28
msb_	You are purposely distorting your thinking. I can't talk with you.	Jan 23 14:29
MinceR	then don't	Jan 23 14:29
MinceR	it's an interesting new expression for "disagreeing with me"	Jan 23 14:29
MinceR	(the crime of our age)	Jan 23 14:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine 1.9.2 Lands with GStreamer 1.0 and Shader	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	Model 4 Support https://t.co/zcIoYAJGxO	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) https://t.co/pgj6fEn3EN	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og0fx	Jan 23 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Wine 1.9.2 Lands with GStreamer 1.0 and Shader Model 4 Support		Jan 23 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Wine 1.9.2 Released: Finally Presents GStreamer 1.0 Support - Phoronix		Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SUSE Survey Finds There Just Aren't Enough	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	OpenStack Skills to Go Around	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/T050OypKTH (ostatic.com)	Jan 23 15:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| SUSE Survey Finds There Just Aren't Enough OpenStack Skills to Go Around		Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCALE 14X: Making the Mark and Getting Ready	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	for Doctorow https://t.co/jBWRcQOrjl	Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	(fossforce.com)	Jan 23 15:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| SCALE 14X: Making the Mark and Getting Ready for Doctorow \| FOSS Force		Jan 23 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SCaLE 14x, day 1: Shuttleworth delivers the	Jan 23 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	grand vision for #Ubuntu	Jan 23 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bfjCrTHmTt (www.cio.com)	Jan 23 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og0gk	Jan 23 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cio.com \| SCaLE 14x, day 1: Shuttleworth delivers the grand vision for Ubuntu \| CIO		Jan 23 15:40
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Wine 1.9.2 Lands with GStreamer 1.0 and Shader...'		Jan 23 15:40
msb_	MinceR: At some point in your life you decided to always look at the worst in everything. Probably because you figured that then you would never be taken by surprise. You made that decision so long ago that you forgot that you made it, and so you think that the distorted way you see the world is the way it really is. I made the same decision, with the same result, when I was a child. But later I remembered it and realized it was	Jan 23 15:45
msb_	wrong.	Jan 23 15:45
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msb_	MinceR: Now you're used to being a miserable depresso, and you don't want to change. But you're just being silly.	Jan 23 15:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.5 Through Linux 4.4 Kernel Benchmarks:	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	A 19-Way Kernel Showdown Shows Some Regressions	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/lg3OYz9gre (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 15:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma Mobile’s Vision https://t.co/J17jydbF0o	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	(sessellift.wordpress.com)	Jan 23 15:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sessellift.wordpress.com \| Plasma Mobile’s Vision \| sessellift		Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android-powered Acer Jade Primo apparently in	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	the works https://t.co/rZaXIXomfc	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gsmarena.com) https://t.co/E3m4RqEA6g	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og0iq	Jan 23 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com \| Android-powered Acer Jade Primo apparently in the works - GSMArena.com news		Jan 23 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com \| Rumor: Acer Developing Android Variant Of The Jade Primo \| Androidheadlines.com		Jan 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Might Be Delayed with One	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	Day Due to a Unity 8 Security Bug	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ghjjGAFIY5 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og0jy	Jan 23 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Might Be Delayed for One Day Due to a Unity 8 Security Bug		Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Feature Request: Why Android Wear needs Force	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	Touch-like features https://t.co/uq9bz8L2Ao	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	(9to5google.com)	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og0jz	Jan 23 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com \| Feature Request: Why Android Wear needs Force Touch-like features \| 9to5Google		Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Marshmallow: release date, name and	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	features https://t.co/35RThEiCoI	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itpro.co.uk)	Jan 23 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og0k0	Jan 23 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk \| Android Marshmallow: release date, name and features \| IT PRO		Jan 23 16:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's Gedit App to Be Known as "Text Editor"	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	Among GNU/Linux Distributions	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8gFAF5Nqam (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og0ov	Jan 23 16:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	elementary OS https://t.co/fWrltEKcid	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/og0ow	Jan 23 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Birdie Will Be the Best Linux Twitter App for elementary OS		Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.76 LTS Has MIPS, x86 and IPv6	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements, Updated Drivers	Jan 23 16:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/f3IUqDEMIQ (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 16:34
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schestowitz	> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-cost-of-ditching-windows-xp-more-than-12000-per-person/#previous-next-top	Jan 23 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| The cost of ditching Windows XP? More than $12,000 per person - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/og0r7 ]		Jan 23 16:56
schestowitz	>	Jan 23 16:56
schestowitz	> The exit cost needs to be counted in the TCO for any software,	Jan 23 16:56
schestowitz	> especially proprietary:	Jan 23 16:56
schestowitz	> http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/informatics/oss_tech/index_en.htm	Jan 23 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ec.europa.eu \| Open Source Strategy in the European Commission - DIGIT [ http://ur1.ca/331n3 ]		Jan 23 16:56
schestowitz	yes, but some framed it as a cost of Linux!	Jan 23 16:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.76 LTS Has MIPS, x86 and IPv6	Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements, Updated Drivers	Jan 23 17:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation chief spins to justify	Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	keeping community out https://t.co/9yFwSfRWRl	Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itwire.com)	Jan 23 17:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 23/1/2016: New Kali Linux, Google Teams	Jan 23 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	with Red Hat https://t.co/wgSj2S0FKN	Jan 23 17:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/HojozV1J5T	Jan 23 17:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 23/1/2016: New Kali Linux, Google Teams with Red Hat \| Techrights		Jan 23 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: OSS \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/drQOFC3CBh	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6975574	Jan 23 17:53
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schestowitz	"	Jan 23 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: .@LinuxFoundation causes uproar by quietly removing community representation from its board http://www.information-age.com/industry/software/123460821/linux-foundation-causes-uproar-quietly-removing-community-representation-its-board time to demand answers		Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	This is probably coordinated with the Azure push. Watch them start training for and recommending Suse on Azure. All the benefits of software freedom all the hardware Wintel has to offer, in a PRISM. Watch that be the “solution,” the accepted backdoor, to “terrorists” using strong encryption. Red Hat bent to UEFI, if they go along with this, it will be more disgrace for them.	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	Microsoft wins no matter how things end up. The infiltrated Linux Foundation will be accepted as a corporate safe way, perhaps the only legal way, of running free software. That, or the community rejects the Linux Foundation and it goes the way of ISO, discredited and impotent.	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	The lack of community cohesion and action is disgraceful. Microsoft continues to destroy free software commercial support, and they continue to pit the survivors against each other. Even if our governments are too corrupt to step in on obvious anti-trust grounds, the free software community should recognize the game and plan a united front to escape. Red Hat, IBM, Google, and other surviving free software using companies should escape the	Jan 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/pAoqGyzHHv	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	Intel hardware lock and make platforms that they can all trust. If they keep trading software freedom for some petty advantage on x86, the software owners will win and all of them will be gutted like Nokia, Yahoo, Novell and, SCO before them. It’s so obvious that all of them need hardware that’s free software from the metal up.	Jan 23 17:53
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cubexyz	we don't really have hardware we can understand	Jan 23 18:13
cubexyz	or repair for that matter	Jan 23 18:13
cubexyz	sure, we can do component replacement, replace old RTCs, old SIMMs, old BIOS chips	Jan 23 18:14
cubexyz	but the reality is more like a bic-lighter for most	Jan 23 18:15
cubexyz	but there are a few specialists out there that can do board level repair	Jan 23 18:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/690958201324462082	Jan 23 18:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IBMLinuxONE: Catch @WIREDInsider stream the IBM LinuxONE launch 🐧🐧🐧🐧 https://t.co/DqP0RbWbD0		Jan 23 18:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ManCityPhotos/status/690961206442618882	Jan 23 18:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ManCityPhotos: Joe Hart is special. https://t.co/ATD3YRPO3g		Jan 23 18:28
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msb_	schestowitz: Maybe I'm not understanding you, but using x86 machines is a huge advantage, because that's what most computer professionals and users already have. And can't all Linux distros work around UEFI? You also said that some people framed the $12,000 cost of getting rid of Windows XP as a cost of Linux. Mental framing is very important. We see the use of FOSS and open standards as being virtually cost-free, and also the	Jan 23 18:33
msb_	natural (world-wide human) way of doing things. But some Microsoft victims think that the MS way is normal, and FOSS is something new and exotic.	Jan 23 18:33
MinceR	for now, we can work around uefi, but the noose is tightening	Jan 23 18:36
MinceR	uefi on x86, that is	Jan 23 18:36
MinceR	probably not on arm, and that's what it will look like on x86	Jan 23 18:37
MinceR	then again, a sechole in winblows could probably be used to chain-load a real OS even from there	Jan 23 18:37
msb_	X86 machines are also cheap and powerful. But it's always best to choose AMD CPUs if possible, because these are less likely to have backdoors than Intel.	Jan 23 18:38
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msb_	If AMD CPUs dissipate a little more heat than Intel, make sure they have good heat-sinking and ventilation.	Jan 23 18:40
cubexyz	evidently there's a guide for installing Ubuntu on Surface Pro 3	Jan 23 18:40
cubexyz	they are replacing EFI boot with something called eEFind	Jan 23 18:41
cubexyz	er, rEFind	Jan 23 18:42
cubexyz	not my first choice, but it shows that people who really want linux on their systems can do it	Jan 23 18:44
MinceR	afaik that's still EFI boot	Jan 23 18:44
MinceR	just a UI to select which os/bootloader you want to use	Jan 23 18:45
cubexyz	yeah it looks messy	Jan 23 18:52
cubexyz	I wasn't about to suggest everyone go out and buy surface pro 3's :)	Jan 23 18:52
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cubexyz	http://www.computerworld.com/article/2471299/open-source-tools/dennis-ritchie-and-steve-jobs----quite-the-juxtaposition.html	Jan 23 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com \| Dennis Ritchie and Steve Jobs -- quite the juxtaposition \| Computerworld		Jan 23 20:22
MinceR	"Jobs arguably founded an industry based on the integrated circuit."	Jan 23 20:25
MinceR	[citation needed]	Jan 23 20:25
cubexyz	yeah I thought that sounded wrong	Jan 23 20:25
MinceR	but then, what did i expect from IDG	Jan 23 20:25
cubexyz	at least he tried, better than some	Jan 23 20:26
cubexyz	at least he had some inkling of the importance of Tesla	Jan 23 20:28
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 20:28
cubexyz	integrated circuit is also a bit vague	Jan 23 20:30
cubexyz	microprocessor would have been closer to the truth	Jan 23 20:30
MinceR	"dumbed-down computers" would have been even closer	Jan 23 20:33
MinceR	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-23/anyone-using-new-york-city-roads-after-230pm-will-be-arrested	Jan 23 20:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation and Linux	Jan 23 20:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/j3abaagCpg	Jan 23 20:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rockstor 3.8-11 Linux-Based Free NAS Solution	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	Has Rock-Ons and UI Improvements	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HQJD1DyhuT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice Picks https://t.co/fcIu6FwaT7	Jan 23 20:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora N-1 Upgrades Approved, F24 June 7, F25	Jan 23 20:51
TweetTuxMachines	Nov 8 https://t.co/AGOGA6eTTI	Jan 23 20:51
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MinceR	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-23/bloomberg-may-run-president-after-becoming-frustrated-race-gone-haywire	Jan 23 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| Bloomberg May Run For President After Becoming "Frustrated" With Race Gone "Haywire" \| Zero Hedge		Jan 23 21:28
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schestowitz	ewww... bloomberg	Jan 23 21:52
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 21:52
schestowitz	we already have clinton running for wall street	Jan 23 21:52
schestowitz	we don't need mr wall street himself to run directly	Jan 23 21:52
MinceR	maybe we'll get more comedy out of the race this way	Jan 23 21:52
schestowitz	maybe he'll make the coke ban (sort of) nationwise	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	*wide	Jan 23 21:53
MinceR	soft drinks or cocaine?	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	it would be funny if he ran against rump	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	though I think he's conservative too	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	it would show, for the first time, the real owners of the country running directly	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	who else to join? Waltons and Bill Gates?	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	bezos?	Jan 23 21:53
schestowitz	!google bloomberg can coke	Jan 23 21:54
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schestowitz	wait, was it Cuomo's idea?	Jan 23 21:54
MinceR	:D	Jan 23 21:54
schestowitz	Andrew Cuomo?	Jan 23 21:55
schestowitz	Can't even reall his surname, but he did a publicity stunt recently, regarding the homeless in NY	Jan 23 21:55
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/425s2j/jim_zemlin_on_the_linux_foundations_bylaw_changes/	Jan 23 22:46
schestowitz	"So, am I understanding that they did in fact change it so that the $99 members can't replace either Larry or Bdale with Karen?"	Jan 23 22:46
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4250u3/scale14x_linux_sucks/	Jan 23 22:48
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schestowitz	"Bryan Lunduke, a Linux lover working at Suse"	Jan 23 22:49
schestowitz	Working at SUSE?>!	Jan 23 22:49
MinceR	"working" at suse	Jan 23 22:49
schestowitz	is it true though?	Jan 23 22:55
schestowitz	He never stated this afaik	Jan 23 22:55
schestowitz	By Rob Enderle http://www.datamation.com/commentary/cyber-insecurity-in-2016-we-are-not-ready.html	Jan 23 22:56
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oiaohm	The part that annoys me is that the security nightmare is not new.	Jan 23 23:16
oiaohm	Also I like how they say Microsoft and Intel have it right yet the most common complaint about Linux distrobutions is the forced updating breaking applications that have not been maintained.	Jan 23 23:17
cubexyz	that's ridiculous	Jan 23 23:28
cubexyz	Microsoft is worse not better	Jan 23 23:28
cubexyz	windows uses more cpu cycles to do the same work	Jan 23 23:32
cubexyz	plus they force upgrades people don't want in an endless cycle	Jan 23 23:32
oiaohm	Problem here is security is a endless cycle it self.	Jan 23 23:34
oiaohm	Because what is secure today may not be secure in a few months time.	Jan 23 23:34
cubexyz	not at all	Jan 23 23:37
cubexyz	that would assume infinite bugs	Jan 23 23:37
cubexyz	well, it's not infinite	Jan 23 23:37
cubexyz	eventually if the internet facing stuff is hardened enough it's good enough	Jan 23 23:37
oiaohm	There are endless bugs due to encryption.	Jan 23 23:37
cubexyz	eh?	Jan 23 23:38
oiaohm	encryption is a attempt to make a solution that is too hard to brute force and does not have flaws.	Jan 23 23:38
cubexyz	not in reality	Jan 23 23:38
cubexyz	anyways I don't use ssl on my server	Jan 23 23:39
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oiaohm	Of course as computer power increases old encryptions and checksum solutions come open to brute forcing.	Jan 23 23:40
oiaohm	Like SHA1 collisions recently.	Jan 23 23:40
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oiaohm	Even if you don't use ssl on your server you have banking and system integrity metrics that depend on stuff not being able to be brute-forced.	Jan 23 23:41
cubexyz	it's locked down by a bunch of different things	Jan 23 23:41
oiaohm	So encryption endless bugs end when we cannot make faster and more powerful computers.	Jan 23 23:41
cubexyz	for one thing, I only allow online banking from one IP address	Jan 23 23:42
cubexyz	I never use any other computer for it	Jan 23 23:42
cubexyz	so I'm pretty sure the banks are fine	Jan 23 23:44
cubexyz	I even do periodically checks on my BIOS, the bash shell, etc	Jan 23 23:46
cubexyz	static ip even	Jan 23 23:54
cubexyz	some banks even let you define access times	Jan 23 23:55
cubexyz	transaction limits too	Jan 23 23:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: remember lot of banks if you attempt to use a 4 year old webbrowser will just drop your connection.	Jan 23 23:56
oiaohm	So there is a percentage of mandatory upgrading.	Jan 23 23:57

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