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| MinceR | btw, mega sucks | Mar 12 07:52 |
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| cubexyz | sounds crappy | Mar 12 09:05 |
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| MinceR | i keep hearing how he still cheerleads for the nazis | Mar 12 09:12 |
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| One_ | The Battistelli system I think the scandal regarding the colleague who produced 63 searches and 20 grants in one month deserves a deeper look into. For anybody who´s ever done a search and an examination it´s clear that 83 products a month (in January) is an impossible achievement. Even if one admits that some of the files were transferred from the previous month, as explained by the director, this is not a remotely credible pe | Mar 12 15:23 |
| One_ | December is a short month and an average of 40 products per month in two consecutive months which include the winter holidays is in the realm of fantasy. Moreover, if a search is started, according to the new regulations, the examiner has ten days for finishing the search, so if one starts treating files in December without finishing them there will be a lot of red-flagged files in January. | Mar 12 15:23 |
| One_ | That should´ve rung a bell for the director who is supposed to keep an eye on timeliness. He should also have known that the respective production was impossible in the given time period. But enquiries of the staff as to the preposterous 83 products a month were brushed aside by the director in those fateful emails in a knee-jerk reaction that shows that nowadays at he EPO production, even unrealistic, is protected from all critic | Mar 12 15:23 |
| One_ | What happened is a compound failure of the examiner and the director, symbolic of the “everything goes” scam system implemented by Battistelli in which production figures are disconnected from quality in spite of the achievements trumpeted by Battistelli in the all too subservient press and his self-serving events. | Mar 12 15:24 |
| One_ | It´s not that quality at all levels is that compromised but the high producer bonus system incentives a low number of greedy examiners to cut corners and attempt to produce a high number of searches and grants regardless of quality in search of the yearly bonus. If Battistelli really wanted to restore a minimum of credibility to the office he should start by ordering the Quality Control Department to carry out an examination of c | Mar 12 15:24 |
| One_ | searches and grants – and make the findings public. Otherwise the EPO will be regarded with even more mistrust and its reputation will continue to sink. Even better, Battistelli should retire (which he will certainly not do of his own will) or the Administrative Council should finally grow a spine (hard to believe either) and decide to oust him and let somebody else restore the credibility of the EPO after the disastruous years | Mar 12 15:24 |
| One_ | disastrous | Mar 12 15:25 |
| One_ | We´ve seen over and over again that dictators are adulated during their reign and accepted even by democratic countries but after their demise all the dirt comes out from under the carpet tainting all those who supported them in the past. There is no reason to believe that Battistelli will suffer a different fate after his departure. A petty wannabe grand dictator who, fortunately for the world, has ended up mistreating only a Eur | Mar 12 15:25 |
| One_ | instead of a whole country. With his own secret service, destroying the lives of the inconvenient staff representation members by firing them, one can only imagine his behaviour, and his opponents´end, had he been the president of a Central Asian or African country. | Mar 12 15:26 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 12 15:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ping | Mar 12 15:27 |
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| razielle_tzu | 'sup SebthreeBQM10HD | Mar 12 15:49 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, in a bit of a interesting situation in a way | Mar 12 15:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | now | Mar 12 15:50 |
| razielle_tzu | oh? | Mar 12 15:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, got two venues for the event again next month, now, but can only go with one of course | Mar 12 15:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yes doing that event again next month | Mar 12 15:50 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Mar 12 15:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, where went before didn't reply untill earlier | Mar 12 15:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I emailed about 9 days ago | Mar 12 15:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, and I found out about a more central place and went on thursdya with my other gorup, so went with some of them there on saturday to see the place etc | Mar 12 15:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and that one is about as central as can get | Mar 12 15:51 |
| razielle_tzu | not bad | Mar 12 15:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, however, got a smaller space there, or as a base | Mar 12 15:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | much smaller base space | Mar 12 15:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and also been given less time offically, but thats also free | Mar 12 15:52 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 12 15:52 |
| razielle_tzu | i use the computer club room for small scale stuff | Mar 12 15:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, its a cofeee house, with a floor up stairs, so can probably move out a bit into it etc as well | Mar 12 15:52 |
| razielle_tzu | one of our sessions coming up is all about back-ups | Mar 12 15:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but at the back of that room, is this small meeting room | Mar 12 15:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, even with a load of marketting on facebook and such its probably still going to be qutie small really | Mar 12 15:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but I am a bit concerned if say 20 or 30 people turn up at the begining | Mar 12 15:53 |
| razielle_tzu | try doing it in villages rather than a town/city | Mar 12 15:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, we can only really have four people demoing things, since the small space | Mar 12 15:53 |
| razielle_tzu | then you'll see small scale :P | Mar 12 15:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the room itself they given us can fit the four demoers, plus a few or so visitors | Mar 12 15:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | 12 people in there at mos I Guess with a squeeze | Mar 12 15:54 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 12 15:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hats visitors or demoers | Mar 12 15:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, or could go with the otehr place, again, same day, longer time, but wtould be at a cost | Mar 12 15:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | thing is sure we had a bigger space, but hardly anyone actsaully came down from up stairs, with the coffee house well usaully students go there to study etc to that floor | Mar 12 15:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | with lap tops and yeah | Mar 12 15:55 |
| razielle_tzu | use whichever you think is more effecient | Mar 12 15:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, so should have some people already outside the room, who should come in for at least a bit of a look I guess | Mar 12 15:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well two of the other organisers think this newer place shoujld be better, since more centraal much more central | Mar 12 15:56 |
| razielle_tzu | you don't have to highlight me every other line | Mar 12 15:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | good cofee apparnatly to | Mar 12 15:56 |
| razielle_tzu | then go with the new place | Mar 12 15:56 |
| razielle_tzu | good drinks is IMPORTANT | Mar 12 15:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | h eh yeah this isn't #ubuntu was just in there a bit so | Mar 12 15:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | a coke was two pounds on Thursday | Mar 12 15:56 |
| razielle_tzu | for a pint of it? | Mar 12 15:56 |
| razielle_tzu | or only half? | Mar 12 15:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | nope a bottle in a glass with ice | Mar 12 15:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | spilled even | Mar 12 15:57 |
| razielle_tzu | o.O | Mar 12 15:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | my fruit tea, but a good size was two pounds 10 p | Mar 12 15:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that all seems a bit pricey to me to be honest | Mar 12 15:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but I dont tend to go to cofee houses | Mar 12 15:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | ok now I will, since will be going to this one a lot probably soon with my other group | Mar 12 15:57 |
| razielle_tzu | about £2 for a tea is about right | Mar 12 15:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | ok but not for a coke ? | Mar 12 15:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well maybe a coke as well | Mar 12 15:58 |
| razielle_tzu | nah, that's overpriced | Mar 12 15:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | in a place like that | Mar 12 15:58 |
| razielle_tzu | a coke should be around £1.50 | Mar 12 15:58 |
| razielle_tzu | unless it's close to a pint | Mar 12 15:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yep that sounds more like it, and maybe this was close toa pint, but probably more like a half or 500 mle bottle so | Mar 12 15:58 |
| razielle_tzu | a 500 ml bottle? definitely should have been closer to £1.50 | Mar 12 15:59 |
| razielle_tzu | at least it would be here :P | Mar 12 15:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah that coke seemed pricey | Mar 12 15:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | for what I actsually got | Mar 12 15:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but did spill some too! | Mar 12 15:59 |
| razielle_tzu | doesn't matter if you spilled some | Mar 12 16:00 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, on the oweners card machine ! hmm, ok no big deal, they cleared up | Mar 12 16:00 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | didnt no he was the owener at the time to o :d | Mar 12 16:00 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 12 16:00 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | appologized | Mar 12 16:00 |
| razielle_tzu | they're pretty water/fluid resistant usually | Mar 12 16:00 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well knocked it over a bit so | Mar 12 16:00 |
| razielle_tzu | usually bar 2 water resistant iirc | Mar 12 16:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | cajll the mid wife uh no thanks | Mar 12 16:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | i don't wnat to see this | Mar 12 16:01 |
| razielle_tzu | so don't watch it | Mar 12 16:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | someone put on record too | Mar 12 16:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | for my mum I Guess | Mar 12 16:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah about to have to get up to change hcannel or whateer | Mar 12 16:01 |
| razielle_tzu | heh | Mar 12 16:02 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, your meant to like this kind of stuff now :d | Mar 12 16:02 |
| razielle_tzu | i can no longer see the tv properly from my desk so if the sound is annyoing i just put on headphones | Mar 12 16:02 |
| razielle_tzu | i already liked call the midwife though | Mar 12 16:02 |
| razielle_tzu | it's a good show | Mar 12 16:02 |
| razielle_tzu | and based on memoirs of an actual midwife | Mar 12 16:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu well its for women mostly | Mar 12 16:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that kind of stuff | Mar 12 16:03 |
| razielle_tzu | not really | Mar 12 16:03 |
| razielle_tzu | it's just a drama | Mar 12 16:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | custome dramas uh | Mar 12 16:03 |
| razielle_tzu | i know a fwe guys that watch it | Mar 12 16:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | my mum likes them a lot though | Mar 12 16:03 |
| razielle_tzu | i prefer rugby or documentaries | Mar 12 16:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, anyway what happens if hte marketting is good | Mar 12 16:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and we get say 20 people turning up at the cafe | Mar 12 16:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | at the beggining ? | Mar 12 16:04 |
| razielle_tzu | then you're packed from the start | Mar 12 16:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah then our space our base space is too small | Mar 12 16:05 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | where these people going to go ? into the rest of the floor, where some students were studying? oh its no longer that quiet up there | Mar 12 16:05 |
| *razielle_tzu shrugs | Mar 12 16:05 | |
| razielle_tzu | students will usually put up with a lot at this point in the semester | Mar 12 16:05 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, thats the thing that worrys me a bi, another ugy is like don't worry about it | Mar 12 16:05 |
| razielle_tzu | it's not close enough to deadlines for them to be stressed out that much | Mar 12 16:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | sounded like on the phone, that we could go out into the cafe a bit etc anyway though | Mar 12 16:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but they might wan to bring us back into the bas space more, people back in if, yeah | Mar 12 16:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I had a call with a woman on friday to | Mar 12 16:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I guess its more money for htem thoguh, if we bring them like 20 people | Mar 12 16:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I guess they wioll see it that way | Mar 12 16:07 |
| razielle_tzu | yup | Mar 12 16:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | usaully people order stuff when going to a place like that so | Mar 12 16:07 |
| razielle_tzu | and the students /might/ be interested too | Mar 12 16:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah looked like had quite a few young windows and mac users, there on saturday | Mar 12 16:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, they apparnatly got some of the best wifi there as well if not like the best in a place like that | Mar 12 16:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | direct virgin media box he said basically, and then its not like going through lots of thick walls and such to or whatever he said | Mar 12 16:08 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Mar 12 16:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | where as in the other place, the wifi woudn't be that good | Mar 12 16:08 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Mar 12 16:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, thats the idea though to bring general pbulic in | Mar 12 16:09 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so whoever is there already etc | Mar 12 16:09 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, but going to market htis thig like before well better than before ! | Mar 12 16:09 |
| razielle_tzu | good | Mar 12 16:09 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | got to work on a new flyer text, so we can do flyers next week | Mar 12 16:09 |
| razielle_tzu | are you already posting about it without the posters on social media? | Mar 12 16:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | got to work on new facebook text to, so can start runing a paid add next week to, and untill day of event | Mar 12 16:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | then got people who will put flyers up around city | Mar 12 16:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well mentioend on the facebook page the like feed that an event is coming up a bit, but thats it so far reallly | Mar 12 16:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | its still not saying that a proper upcoming event is coming up soon, but it should realy, I guess can add or change descritpon later anyway, I don't remember quite from before | Mar 12 16:11 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, also I can get it into a loacl magazin hopefully this time, if early enough, and a few linux magazines even | Mar 12 16:11 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, should I mentoin in adveritsing that its a small space though ? | Mar 12 16:12 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | if we get too many its a issue | Mar 12 16:12 |
| razielle_tzu | maybe mention it on any FB posts and stuff but not on the posters/flyers | Mar 12 16:12 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yah the flyers and posters should link to the facebook | Mar 12 16:13 |
| razielle_tzu | can you generate a QR code for the page of the event? (i forget if FB allows that now or not) | Mar 12 16:15 |
| razielle_tzu | if you can stick that on the poster | Mar 12 16:15 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | whats a QR code ? | Mar 12 16:15 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, oh and is it ok showing a ubuntu tablet, with a few cracks here and there on the front at event, or should I have my guy really fix it for me, for like 50 pounds too | Mar 12 16:18 |
| razielle_tzu | if it's for demoing things i'd get it fixed.. | Mar 12 16:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah I guess it looks a bit bad, oh techei guy, and hes got some dmage on his tablet ! | Mar 12 16:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well its my main device now | Mar 12 16:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that and my ubuntu phone | Mar 12 16:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, its like a crack going across the screen on thecenre to right top | Mar 12 16:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and some stuf on the bezel some damgae there to | Mar 12 16:20 |
| razielle_tzu | get it fixed or use something else as a demo piece | Mar 12 16:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well I only got one ubuntu tablet | Mar 12 16:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so | Mar 12 16:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I hadn't got rid of some of my perosnal stuff in time yestrday so didn't give then | Mar 12 16:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but in like two weeks I should relaly | Mar 12 16:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when should be meeting again etc | Mar 12 16:21 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 12 16:22 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, factory re set it, and he can have he code this time to fix screen even | Mar 12 16:22 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to test screen better | Mar 12 16:22 |
| razielle_tzu | good idea, personally i'd do it myself but yeah... not everyone is up for that | Mar 12 16:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, fixing a tablet? | Mar 12 16:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I got onto a guide thing the toher week | Mar 12 16:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but yeah thers this and that invovled and glueing etc | Mar 12 16:25 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Mar 12 16:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and then yep can replace a screen | Mar 12 16:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and so on | Mar 12 16:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the outter glass | Mar 12 16:25 |
| razielle_tzu | i've rebuilt a few android phones, tablets and of course actual computers over the years but never just replacing glass | Mar 12 16:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | same with him | Mar 12 16:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | he has a business doing this kind of stuff | Mar 12 16:26 |
| razielle_tzu | i've had to do the entire digitizer though | Mar 12 16:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well its a just him business | Mar 12 16:26 |
| razielle_tzu | i do it freelance, nothing official | Mar 12 16:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yes he replaced the digitizer when I gave him my i pad air back in like december | Mar 12 16:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that he had lareayd fixed one before | Mar 12 16:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | fell again dogs etc | Mar 12 16:26 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 12 16:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when it fell | Mar 12 16:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the side went off though | Mar 12 16:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | down the side | Mar 12 16:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | makes me wonder how good his job really was ! | Mar 12 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, hence being a bit reluctant to just give him this ubuntu tablet to fix as well | Mar 12 16:27 |
| razielle_tzu | ipads are a bitch to do properly if you're not in an apple repair shop | Mar 12 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but uhmm | Mar 12 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, why since non standard parts ? | Mar 12 16:27 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Mar 12 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I guess a bq table should be easier then | Mar 12 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | since its just a andorid tablet really | Mar 12 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I just happen to have it with other software instead thats all | Mar 12 16:28 |
| razielle_tzu | yup | Mar 12 16:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but yeah for the ipad he probably got some part off ebaby or wahtever | Mar 12 16:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | in fact I think he did | Mar 12 16:28 |
| razielle_tzu | i would have too | Mar 12 16:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | now then a linux lap top case | Mar 12 16:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | theres a sale toil mid night on some site zabble whatever it was | Mar 12 16:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | they got unoffical mageia t-shirts and such too | Mar 12 16:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, my hp case is some where but the zip is borken really | Mar 12 16:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | would be nice to bring my lap top along next time, in a linuxey case as well I am thinking | Mar 12 16:30 |
| razielle_tzu | any laptop case can be turned to a linuxy one with stickers and drawings | Mar 12 16:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | think I got a big enough bag now as well to possibly, put in a 15 inch lap top, plus remix os ultra table, and ubuntu tablet, without having to worry too much but hmm | Mar 12 16:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well yeah true can put stickers on things | Mar 12 16:31 |
| razielle_tzu | or if you're good at it and patient... embroidery with logos and stuff | Mar 12 16:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I think thts what tthey done | Mar 12 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | put some logo on some already exisitng case probably | Mar 12 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | then selling that | Mar 12 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I don't have as much money currently for things since ah! | Mar 12 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, but got money back on pay pal that was nice | Mar 12 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | only some but yeah | Mar 12 16:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | actsually 81 pounds is quite a bit | Mar 12 16:33 |
| razielle_tzu | i don't even have that right now | Mar 12 16:33 |
| razielle_tzu | until friday anyway | Mar 12 16:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | what do you mean? | Mar 12 16:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, they cut your money too? | Mar 12 16:34 |
| razielle_tzu | nah, just overspent due to unexpected changes to direct debits | Mar 12 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | oh | Mar 12 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, pm me | Mar 12 16:35 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: urgent | Mar 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | I need help | Mar 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | got a link re | Mar 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | upc prediction for march 7th? | Mar 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | I am going to show how their predictions are BS | Mar 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ping pint | Mar 12 16:40 |
| schestowitz | *ping ping | Mar 12 16:40 |
| razielle_tzu | a pint sounds good though schestowitz | Mar 12 16:42 |
| schestowitz | cheers mate | Mar 12 16:47 |
| razielle_tzu | :) | Mar 12 16:47 |
| razielle_tzu | what you having? | Mar 12 16:48 |
| razielle_tzu | bitter, ale, lager, stout? | Mar 12 16:50 |
| razielle_tzu | :P | Mar 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Hate them all | Mar 12 16:52 |
| schestowitz | I prefer cider, not as fattening either | Mar 12 16:52 |
| razielle_tzu | fair enough | Mar 12 16:52 |
| razielle_tzu | i like ales and bitters but prefer wines and spirits atm | Mar 12 16:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz razielle_tzu I like cider | Mar 12 16:54 |
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| cubexyz | can't believe how cold it was yesterday | Mar 12 18:28 |
| cubexyz | -15 C | Mar 12 18:28 |
| schestowitz | wow | Mar 12 19:32 |
| schestowitz | it's warn here | Mar 12 19:32 |
| schestowitz | almost 15 daytime | Mar 12 19:32 |
| schestowitz | abotu 13 | Mar 12 19:32 |
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| cubexyz | just realized Bell can delete recordings on my PVR at will :-/ | Mar 12 20:30 |
| cubexyz | it's a crap system | Mar 12 20:31 |
| cubexyz | I think it prioritizes new recordings over old ones actually | Mar 12 20:31 |
| cubexyz | so if you don't have enough space, the oldest recordings disappear | Mar 12 20:32 |
| cubexyz | it's just ext2 partition inside so I should be able to just pop the drive out and back up everything | Mar 12 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | if you are not in control of the program, then the device controls you | Mar 12 21:21 |
| schestowitz | or enables some company to dominate 'your' gear | Mar 12 21:21 |
| cubexyz | I'm gathering more data on this | Mar 12 21:24 |
| cubexyz | I have a list of hard drives that will work on the Bell 9241 PVR | Mar 12 21:25 |
| cubexyz | the PVR's firmware is keyed to only work with certain hard drives... | Mar 12 21:25 |
| cubexyz | I assume Bell will switch to SSD's (or are currently switching to SSD) | Mar 12 21:27 |
| cubexyz | although hard drives are cheaper so... they may only care about maximizing $$$ | Mar 12 21:28 |
| cubexyz | seems to work off 320 gig drives | Mar 12 21:32 |
| cubexyz | larger drives don't seem to add to capacity (still limited to 320 gig) | Mar 12 21:32 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, if you're around.... | Mar 13 03:41 |
| cubexyz | have you any experience with intersecting wifi fields? | Mar 13 03:41 |
| cubexyz | I'm thinking of running 2.4 ghz with 5 ghz in the same house | Mar 13 03:42 |
| cubexyz | no idea if it will be a problem or not | Mar 13 03:42 |
| cubexyz | I seem to remember wave interference in physics class | Mar 13 03:43 |
| cubexyz | of course I don't really much now :-/ | Mar 13 03:43 |
| cubexyz | remember much | Mar 13 03:43 |
| cubexyz | they talk about channels... | Mar 13 03:46 |
| cubexyz | e.g. 2.4 ghz wifi has 14 channels | Mar 13 03:46 |
| cubexyz | did you know lead paint can be a problem? | Mar 13 03:48 |
| cubexyz | it shields the radio signals | Mar 13 03:48 |
| cubexyz | the new stuff like 802.11ac uses 5 ghz exclusively | Mar 13 03:50 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I am in a house with iron in the brickwork. That messes with anything wifi you attempt to use. | Mar 13 03:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: using 2.4ghz and 5ghz at the same time in wifi is normally ok | Mar 13 03:54 |
| cubexyz | ok, good | Mar 13 03:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: lead paint don't think that would effected it much. Lead is not exactly the best thing in the world to block radio signals with. | Mar 13 03:55 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Lead it not the best thing in 2.4 or 5ghz signal zones. And lead paint is not that strong in lead. | Mar 13 03:57 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: lead sheet would be another matter. | Mar 13 03:57 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: biggest issue with wifi is if you have stacks of other people around you using it. | Mar 13 04:00 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: the bricks here used a iron oxide for the red colour. Those are true nightmares for wifi. | Mar 13 04:01 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ODjIZwW.gifv | Mar 13 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Remember to "Stroke" it. | Mar 13 14:55 | |
| schestowitz | weird | Mar 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | real video? | Mar 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Or modified? | Mar 13 15:26 |
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| MinceR | modified | Mar 13 15:43 |
| MinceR | the joke was pretty much the same, but with different texts | Mar 13 15:43 |
| MinceR | comments have a link to the original version | Mar 13 15:43 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/oLoQd | Mar 13 15:49 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/6t9dCnb.jpg | Mar 13 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: wtf? | Mar 13 16:42 |
| schestowitz | not sure who I feel worse for... | Mar 13 16:42 |
| schestowitz | child abuse of animal abuse | Mar 13 16:42 |
| schestowitz | maybe daddy was a butcher | Mar 13 16:42 |
| MinceR | re which pic? | Mar 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | the one which looks like sheep or pig | Mar 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | with a baby in it | Mar 13 16:44 |
| MinceR | i doubt that animal feels anything at that point | Mar 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NTechlibre/status/841394608277970944 | Mar 13 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NTechlibre: @zoobab @schestowitz They use the troll money to buy WAPO embedded ads, it appears. | Mar 13 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | (qualcomm) | Mar 13 17:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LeftiesExposed/status/841398326952108032 https://twitter.com/atSwell/status/841398417913966592 | Mar 13 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LeftiesExposed: @schestowitz @ManUtd errrr there are no replays. | Mar 13 17:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@atSwell: @schestowitz @ManUtd There's no replay 😂 | Mar 13 17:21 | |
| schestowitz | Oh, my bad. Not good. | Mar 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_nickwebber/status/841398444233224192 | Mar 13 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_nickwebber: @schestowitz @ManUtd they're doing a new rule where they do extra time and pens now | Mar 13 17:21 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I didn't know | Mar 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841403688509947904 | Mar 13 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz @ManUtd And @paulpogba | Mar 13 17:41 | |
| schestowitz | He doesn't seem to do much. | Mar 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841404439588147202 | Mar 13 17:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz @ManUtd @paulpogba He can't do much. And that's that! | Mar 13 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | More haircuts than assists and goals | Mar 13 17:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MattAnsell3/status/841405169480925185 | Mar 13 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MattAnsell3: @schestowitz @ManUtd and Paul pogba | Mar 13 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ajipson10/status/841405377111588864 | Mar 13 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ajipson10: @schestowitz @TheKenroyJacobs @ManUtd @paulpogba he always flop in big matches.... | Mar 13 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | At least he didn't cost 0.1 billion pounds or something... | Mar 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841405673229414401 | Mar 13 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @Ajipson10 @schestowitz @ManUtd @paulpogba It's a sad sad situation. | Mar 13 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841406356968087555 | Mar 13 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz @Ajipson10 @ManUtd @paulpogba T shirt sales basically | Mar 13 17:52 | |
| schestowitz | Time for for United to focus on winning the Europa League & getting top 4 position for CL next week. Both doable | Mar 13 17:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841407879957626882 | Mar 13 17:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz They'll need to win the @EuropaLeague. They aren't finishing fourth. | Mar 13 17:58 | |
| schestowitz | very close to Arsenal and Liv, which have had a spotty record of late | Mar 13 17:58 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/ThkHA | Mar 13 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841408446620696577 | Mar 13 18:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz With performances like tonight and the kind of fixtures coming up. I doubt it. | Mar 13 18:01 | |
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| MinceR | http://imgur.com/r/justrolledintotheshop/wa6VQ | Mar 13 18:29 |
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| agent725 | Hello all! | Mar 14 04:49 |
| agent725 | While reading LXER I stumbled on an article by schestowitz about Microsoft. | Mar 14 04:49 |
| agent725 | So I decided to drop in for a chat. | Mar 14 04:50 |
| agent725 | I'm founder of the Internet of Coins project. What has me a bit worried is the fact that the Linux foundation is doing a blockchain project called Hyperledger, but that Microsoft had earlier joined the Linux foundation. | Mar 14 04:52 |
| agent725 | Soon payment standards will be influenced by MS. Not something I'm particularly looking forward to. | Mar 14 04:52 |
| agent725 | Source: http://thehackernews.com/2016/11/microsoft-linux-foundation.html | Mar 14 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Microsoft Joins The Linux Foundation — Turns Love Affair Into a Relationship [ http://ur1.ca/qmw3l ] | Mar 14 04:55 | |
| agent725 | Our project: https://coinstorm.net | Mar 14 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coinstorm.net | Internet of Coins | Mar 14 04:55 | |
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| oiaohm | http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ioquake3-Security-Update old software causing strangeness. | Mar 14 05:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ioquake3 Pushes Out Important Security Update - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/qmwam ] | Mar 14 05:05 | |
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| schestowitz | [08:52] <agent725> Soon payment standards will be influenced by MS. Not something I'm particularly looking forward to. | Mar 14 05:25 |
| schestowitz | yes, not surprising | Mar 14 05:25 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft had earlier joined the Linux foundation." | Mar 14 05:25 |
| schestowitz | I'd say, Linux Foundation joined Microsoft :-) | Mar 14 05:25 |
| schestowitz | Joined the b0rg | Mar 14 05:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not too shocking | Mar 14 05:26 |
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| schestowitz | "[use the png, if you like]" | Mar 14 05:31 |
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| MinceR | 14 102526 < schestowitz> I'd say, Linux Foundation joined Microsoft :-) | Mar 14 11:36 |
| MinceR | this | Mar 14 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: :) | Mar 14 14:49 |
| schestowitz | iophk came up with it, iirc | Mar 14 14:50 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/LclGBFw.gifv (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/NC17a ) | Mar 14 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Unscooping ice cream | Mar 14 16:04 | |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/thoughtland/status/841190579333660673 | Mar 14 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@thoughtland: Liam Fox: "I didn't tweet that". While sitting in front of it (here it is: https://t.co/t0B7iao5X0) https://t.co/Lnetd2X9mm Gormless. | Mar 14 16:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LiamFoxMP: "The United Kingdom, is one of the few countries in the European Union that does not need to bury its 20th century history" #scc16 | Mar 14 16:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AngrySalmond: Liam Fox denies sending controversial tweet while sitting in front of a giant picture of it. https://t.co/TARGC0qLgu | Mar 14 16:29 | |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/t4Jr9qO.jpg | Mar 14 16:38 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/BhysDJb.jpg | Mar 14 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | I say "soda" when I mean "soda". | Mar 14 17:34 |
| MinceR | NaOH? | Mar 14 17:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: NaHCO3 | Mar 14 17:35 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 17:35 |
| MinceR | i tend to use the actual brand names | Mar 14 17:35 |
| MinceR | i'd have to think what i'd refer to them as in general | Mar 14 17:35 |
| MinceR | probably "carbonated drinks" or something like that | Mar 14 17:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I wouldn't advise drinking NaHCO3'd drinks %). | Mar 14 17:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 17:36 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't advise drinking drinks with a significant amount of NaOH in themeither | Mar 14 17:37 |
| MinceR | s/eme/em e/ | Mar 14 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, it's all variations of sodium. | Mar 14 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | Food soda is NaHCO3, so that's the most commonly referred one. | Mar 14 17:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | I'm really not sure why would anyone call CO2-enriched drinks "soda". | Mar 14 17:39 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 14 17:39 |
| MinceR | i'm also not sure why anyone would call non-coke soft drinks "coke" | Mar 14 17:40 |
| MinceR | and yet... | Mar 14 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe it's like coke to them. | Mar 14 17:40 |
| MinceR | (javascript) http://popvssoda.com/ | Mar 14 17:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popvssoda.com | The Pop vs. Soda Page | Mar 14 17:40 | |
| XRevan86 | Some very old-school Russians call them "lemonade" :). | Mar 14 17:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 17:42 |
| XRevan86 | Haven't heard that in a while but it was around. | Mar 14 17:42 |
| MinceR | someone even calls them "horse salive" | Mar 14 17:42 |
| MinceR | s/ive/iva/ | Mar 14 17:42 |
| MinceR | (it's one word in hungarian, though) | Mar 14 17:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Is there a thing with saliva in Hungary? :) | Mar 14 17:43 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 14 17:43 |
| MinceR | if you mean a drink that contains that, most likely not | Mar 14 17:43 |
| MinceR | it's just people's disdain for something that doesn't harm you that much | Mar 14 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, if such an idiom came to be then maybe there's something to it. | Mar 14 17:43 |
| MinceR | because it doesn't contain any organic solvents | Mar 14 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not sure what you mean. | Mar 14 17:45 |
| MinceR | ethanol | Mar 14 17:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah. | Mar 14 17:45 |
| MinceR | self-harm is expected of all "adult"s | Mar 14 17:46 |
| MinceR | the "other" answers on popvssoda.com are mostly random crap :D | Mar 14 17:47 |
| XRevan86 | I usually don't drink pop/soda/etc drinks, preferring tea or juice. | Mar 14 17:47 |
| MinceR | same for me | Mar 14 17:47 |
| MinceR | or filtered tap water | Mar 14 17:47 |
| MinceR | or uncarbonated mineral/spring water | Mar 14 17:48 |
| MinceR | or (more rarely) coffee | Mar 14 17:48 |
| XRevan86 | carbonated water is the worst for my taste | Mar 14 17:48 |
| MinceR | yeah, i don't like that either | Mar 14 17:50 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if people tend to count kvass as pop/soda :). | Mar 14 17:50 |
| MinceR | though it does manage to quench my thirst, surprisingly :> | Mar 14 17:50 |
| XRevan86 | (kvass selled in shops is CO2'd) | Mar 14 17:50 |
| MinceR | i'm guessing russians don't and others do | Mar 14 17:50 |
| MinceR | (since it has a low level of ethanol in it) | Mar 14 17:50 |
| XRevan86 | Having a low level of ethanol has an effect on being counted as pop/soda? :) | Mar 14 17:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-14232970 | Mar 14 17:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russia classifies beer as alcoholic - BBC News | Mar 14 17:53 | |
| MinceR | apparently it was changed a few years ago | Mar 14 17:53 |
| XRevan86 | Well, beer is alcoholic. | Mar 14 17:54 |
| MinceR | yes, but it wasn't classified as such in russia until 2011 | Mar 14 17:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I didn't know that %). | Mar 14 17:54 |
| MinceR | i only seemed to recall because i saw one of the reports on this | Mar 14 17:54 |
| XRevan86 | Kvass is not considered alcoholic. I was wondering if pop/soda can only be a big branded thing like cola and stuff. | Mar 14 17:55 |
| MinceR | well, there are small cola brands | Mar 14 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | By the definition of being CO2'd it is that :). | Mar 14 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If I'm telling somebody I'm drinking pop and then say it's specifically Baikal, will that be in any way unexpected? %) | Mar 14 17:59 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 14 17:59 |
| MinceR | apparently even usians are sometimes unaware of the soft drink terminology being different in other parts of the usa | Mar 14 18:00 |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/9772801/Beer-to-become-alcohol-in-Russia-on-New-Years-Day.html | Mar 14 18:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Beer to become 'alcohol' in Russia on New Year's Day - Telegraph | Mar 14 18:01 | |
| XRevan86 | Does that mean kids could buy beer before 2011?… | Mar 14 18:01 |
| XRevan86 | This is hard to believe. | Mar 14 18:01 |
| MinceR | i suspect it does | Mar 14 18:01 |
| MinceR | but i don't live in russia and i'm not a lawyer :> | Mar 14 18:01 |
| XRevan86 | And I never tried %). | Mar 14 18:01 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/zklvI6L.jpg | Mar 14 18:05 |
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| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/1807/ | Mar 14 19:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Listening | Mar 14 19:24 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/vi6jIhB.jpg | Mar 14 19:47 |
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| Discoman | Good morning | Mar 15 01:47 |
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| lnicopl | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juNAzuE3M1M | Mar 15 02:03 |
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| gde33 | https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5zhtk8/i_make_a_fake_news_aggregator_so_you_dont_have_to | Mar 15 03:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I make a "Fake news" aggregator so you don't have to : The_Donald | Mar 15 03:06 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 15 03:43 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: weird | Mar 15 04:49 |
| schestowitz | the faces thing | Mar 15 04:50 |
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| MinceR | it's a face swap between a human and a resuscitation practice dummy | Mar 15 07:00 |
| MinceR | the human has a pretty unrealistic face though :> | Mar 15 07:00 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/80c67eG.jpg | Mar 15 07:12 |
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| MinceR | https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/15/theresa-may-dragging-uk-under-scotland-must-cut-rope | Mar 15 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Theresa May is dragging the UK under. This time Scotland must cut the rope | George Monbiot | Opinion | The Guardian | Mar 15 07:35 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/9SdnfsP.jpg | Mar 15 08:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 15 08:15 |
| schestowitz | x http://www.pcworld.com/article/3179675/windows/microsoft-teams-what-to-expect-if-your-company-switches.html | Mar 15 08:15 |
| schestowitz | what to expect? expect failure and expense. | Mar 15 08:15 |
| schestowitz | - | Mar 15 08:15 |
| schestowitz | x http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3006487/microsoft-teams-slack-wannabe-now-available-to-all-office-365-users | Mar 15 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Teams: What to expect if your company switches | PCWorld | Mar 15 08:16 | |
| schestowitz | - | Mar 15 08:16 |
| schestowitz | x https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/microsofts-teams-is-an-almost-excellent-slack-killer-and-its-now-live-for-o365/ | Mar 15 08:16 |
| schestowitz | lots of spam for their attack on IRC (aka Slack) | Mar 15 08:16 |
| schestowitz | - | Mar 15 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net | Microsoft Teams: Slack wannabe now available to all Office 365 users | TheINQUIRER | Mar 15 08:16 | |
| schestowitz | x http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/14/14920892/microsoft-teams-interview-behind-the-scenes-slack-competition | Mar 15 08:16 |
| schestowitz | time to point out, again, that it is gunning for IRC | Mar 15 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 15 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft’s Teams is almost an excellent Slack-killer, and it’s now live for O365 | Ars Technica | Mar 15 08:16 | |
| schestowitz | So much MS spam... | Mar 15 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | How Microsoft built its Slack competitor - The Verge | Mar 15 08:16 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: context might make it funnier | Mar 15 08:16 |
| schestowitz | maybe someone saying Microsoft is still evil | Mar 15 08:16 |
| zoobab | hi | Mar 15 09:06 |
| zoobab | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/841984920113315840 | Mar 15 09:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: Some ways in which the UK might get round its UPC CJEU problem are clearly identifiable here. https://t.co/0WhAlKM8Ap | Mar 15 09:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.lawgazette.co.uk | CJEU will be kept out of new patent regime, legal academics say | News | Law Society Gazette | Mar 15 09:07 | |
| zoobab | https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/cjeu-will-be-kept-out-of-new-patent-regime-legal-academics-say/5060225.article | Mar 15 09:07 |
| MinceR | http://zenpencils.com/comic/spirit/ | Mar 15 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zenpencils.com | ZEN PENCILS » 186. My spirit is a roaring sea | Mar 15 09:28 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: hi | Mar 15 09:46 |
| schestowitz | thanks, saw that, responded | Mar 15 09:46 |
| schestowitz | not sure why he wrote such an article | Mar 15 09:47 |
| schestowitz | and it's hard to say what he ISN'T covering about this event | Mar 15 09:47 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://techrights.org/2017/03/15/unitary-patent-news-is-fake/ | Mar 15 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Examples of Fake News About the Unitary Patent (UPC), Courtesy of Patent Law Firms Looking to Prey on Gullible SMEs | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/qn4ov ] | Mar 15 09:48 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: that Tube video is incredible | Mar 15 16:08 |
| schestowitz | i wonder which staions there are | Mar 15 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Cannot be too far apart | Mar 15 16:08 |
| MinceR | the front of one is shown, that might be easy to identify | Mar 15 16:09 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: WTF | Mar 15 18:39 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 15 18:39 |
| *XRevan86 is unsettled. | Mar 15 18:39 | |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 15 18:40 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, hi | Mar 16 05:37 |
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| DaemonFC | So, there's two new things going on with Windows 10 that caught my attention. | Mar 16 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | The first thing is that there's a nag screen in the April update that warns you about installing a local software package. Spooky language designed to make you feel like you're certainly going to get malware if you do. | Mar 16 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | The Win32 API is still fully available to apps in the Windows Store, but Microsoft has ultimate say over what's there and has the same "commission" of 30% that Apple takes. | Mar 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | hi DaemonFC | Mar 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | I want to show you something | Mar 16 14:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/842431338502213633 | Mar 16 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: When Windows 10 ( #Vista10) does things without so much as a by-your-leave. https://t.co/SB6BPd3BwF https://t.co/bPyYmfcuLe | Mar 16 14:10 | |
| DaemonFC | I have a feeling that the "choice" to disable the nag screen or click through it is transitioning for a mandatory Windows Store later. | Mar 16 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: Absolutely the last OS one should run when a quick restart is required. It never even asked if I wanted to update.… https://t.co/SnLRM4OXi9 | Mar 16 14:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: When Windows 10 ( #Vista10) does things without so much as a by-your-leave. https://t.co/SB6BPd3BwF https://t.co/bPyYmfcuLe | Mar 16 14:10 | |
| schestowitz | This was posted a short while ago | Mar 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | mind the tag | Mar 16 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | Then, they have a new update scheduling mechanism that says "Windows is a service and to keep getting this service, you are required to install updates.". | Mar 16 14:10 |
| cubexyz | you have no control... | Mar 16 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's no longer an operating system. It's a "service". | Mar 16 14:10 |
| cubexyz | just like with modern PVRs | Mar 16 14:10 |
| schestowitz | or some routers from an ISP | Mar 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | like BT's | Mar 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | but DaemonFC | Mar 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | see the above | Mar 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | is this related to it? | Mar 16 14:11 |
| schestowitz | MS imposing its 'free' upgrade again | Mar 16 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, there is no option to shut down or restart without upgrading if an upgrade is available. | Mar 16 14:11 |
| cubexyz | I own my own DSL modem and router though | Mar 16 14:12 |
| cubexyz | and use Toronto Free-net... so I do have quite a lot of control | Mar 16 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | It spends a lot of time installing it, and it's painful even if you have a really fast SSD. | Mar 16 14:12 |
| cubexyz | well everybody I've talked to disliked win10 | Mar 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | but are they pushing people to Vista10? | Mar 16 14:12 |
| cubexyz | that says enough for me | Mar 16 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Or is this for existing useds [sic]? | Mar 16 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | There's some practical advantages to forced upgrades, but that still doesn't make them right, and Microsoft will use them to slip in poison pills that people would've just rejected before. | Mar 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | obviously | Mar 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | google does this too | Mar 16 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, No, they stopped the nags for earlier Windows versions when the free upgrade offer expired. | Mar 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | I guess it makes Microsoft feel like, "hey, if Google does it..." | Mar 16 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | But the free upgrade never went away, really. | Mar 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ok | Mar 16 14:13 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-botch-up.txt | Mar 16 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | You can still go to a web page and say "I need this update because I use accessibility features." | Mar 16 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | They never check to see if you do, it just generates an upgrade license then and there and doesn't bill you anything. | Mar 16 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | So, they left the back door to free upgrades open. The official end was to stop them from trickling off and having news articles saying that they couldn't even give it away after several months. | Mar 16 14:15 |
| cubexyz | I'd never run a non-FOSS OS | Mar 16 14:15 |
| cubexyz | even non-FOSS BIOS is a bit dubious | Mar 16 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 and 8.1 have a new upgrade system though, and it works like Windows 10. | Mar 16 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | The only way to avoid it is to install a clean copy and then all the updates up until the point where the new upgrade system was available, and then you're basically running Windows 7 with no security patches past last year. | Mar 16 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | So, MSFT did this to make people who were conservative about what updates to install say "Screw it. Might as well use Windows 10.". | Mar 16 14:17 |
| schestowitz | more enterprises will look at alternatives | Mar 16 14:18 |
| schestowitz | inc crhome os I guess | Mar 16 14:18 |
| schestowitz | it's malware too, but based on FOSS | Mar 16 14:18 |
| cubexyz | it's really happening now | Mar 16 14:18 |
| schestowitz | and WIndows is even worse malware | Mar 16 14:18 |
| schestowitz | see market share stats | Mar 16 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Windows at 37% for Web traffic | Mar 16 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | MSFT can't get updates to be reliable because they are not Apple. Apple has this thing where they only ever really support maybe 30-35 configurations of Macs at once. | Mar 16 14:18 |
| schestowitz | and they'd have you believe 95%+ | Mar 16 14:18 |
| schestowitz | (they=Microsoft) | Mar 16 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | Once they're over 3-4 years old, you go into the store to have it worked on and the employees actually shame you for having something "that old". | Mar 16 14:19 |
| cubexyz | ha | Mar 16 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, other options, which is one of the reasons I went after Lenovo so aggressively. | Mar 16 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | What if MSFT cuts off Lenovo laptops from new updates in 4-5 years, but your computer is still going to work for another 4-5 years? | Mar 16 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | If it can't run another OS, that's a computer in the garbage that was only middle-aged, mechanically. | Mar 16 14:20 |
| cubexyz | one of my customers likes to brag about his TV from 1972 :) | Mar 16 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | It also gives people an out if Windows becomes intolerable for them. | Mar 16 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Well, old drivers eventually get removed from Linux too, but by the time even Fedora starts dropping them, they're like 10-12 years old and haven't been properly maintained in a while. | Mar 16 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously, you can just use CentOS or Ubuntu LTS and milk a few more years past that if you really want to. | Mar 16 14:22 |
| cubexyz | I still run FC1 24/7 | Mar 16 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | Intel has not been particularly forthcoming about how their newer hardware works. | Mar 16 14:22 |
| cubexyz | augmented of course :) | Mar 16 14:22 |
| cubexyz | which drivers has linux retired? | Mar 16 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | They released documentation about the RAID controller on the Skylake/Kaby Lake platform, as spillover from my fight with Lenovo. | Mar 16 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Old 3dFX stuff. Really old Intel integrated graphics from like 2003. | Mar 16 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What really pisses me off is how politically correct and non-offensive the kernel maintainers tend to be. To the point where it's offensively non-offensive. | Mar 16 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | Like, they were moaning about not getting that documentation and stuff for an entire YEAR and then I ruffle some feathers and Intel releases that and driver code a few weeks later. | Mar 16 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | Then MJG goes back to saying it was really the fault of the Linux maintainers for not supporting something that was 100% secret. | Mar 16 14:25 |
| cubexyz | Torvalds isn't non-offensive :) | Mar 16 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | How could they support something that has almost a hundred pages of documents that are basically classified by Intel? | Mar 16 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | The only other way I can see them doing it is maybe if one of them buys the product and then spends months or even a year reverse engineering it just for the hell of it because it amuses them, getting things wrong the entire way, and then maybe you get a driver that has data corrupting bugs in it. | Mar 16 14:27 |
| MinceR | 16 191002 < DaemonFC> I have a feeling that the "choice" to disable the nag screen or click through it is transitioning for a mandatory Windows Store later. | Mar 16 14:28 |
| MinceR | macos is doing the same | Mar 16 14:28 |
| MinceR | https://forums.xonotic.org/showthread.php?tid=6748 | Mar 16 14:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.xonotic.org | macOS Sierra: -basedir /path/to/game | Mar 16 14:28 | |
| MinceR | breaking applications that don't pay the tax | Mar 16 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | Interacting with the storage controller is something that you really have to get right or else people who go to use that driver might have data corruption at any time or place. | Mar 16 14:28 |
| cubexyz | 2.4.22 still had 3dfx driver I think | Mar 16 14:28 |
| cubexyz | never used it myself though | Mar 16 14:29 |
| MinceR | i'd like to not hate winblows and macos so much, but it's impossible when they keep pulling shit like this | Mar 16 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, tdfx driver was still in the 3.x branch up to a point. | Mar 16 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | Not sure when the kernel dropped it. I think Fedora 20 did, but it was still in the mainline kernel at that point. | Mar 16 14:29 |
| cubexyz | on really old hardware I'd just use old software (usually) | Mar 16 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | 3dfx is really bad hardware though. | Mar 16 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | It never had a full hardware implementation of any level of OpenGL. | Mar 16 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | It supported a small subset that could be implemented in late 90s consumer graphics cards. | Mar 16 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | That pared down API was called Glide. | Mar 16 14:30 |
| cubexyz | I think 3dfx interactive went defunct long ago... 2002 I think | Mar 16 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | It did. Nvidia bought them. | Mar 16 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | No, the hardware never even had a Windows XP driver. | Mar 16 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | None of it did. The Windows XP support was available through a BETA driver that leaked that was intended for Windows 2000. | Mar 16 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | The 3dfx cards used a pass through system that made use of onboard graphics as a framebuffer. That's what you were actually using when you weren't using an application that used Glide or (really awful) DirectX support (in the beta driver near the end of life). | Mar 16 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | The cards had no accelerated 2D graphics support. | Mar 16 14:33 |
| cubexyz | Riva TNT2 is the oldest card I still use, not counting the 486 which isn't really working now | Mar 16 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | Man, I got totally blindsided by that stock rally after the Fed RAISED rates. | Mar 16 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | That's just so counterintuitive that it simply can't go on. | Mar 16 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | It's no longer reacting based on reality. The US stock market is now a cult of personality responding to conservatives dumping huge amounts of money into it because they like Donald Trump. | Mar 16 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | The problem is that reality has to happen sooner or later, and all of this money that is pouring in now will pour out/vanish at some point relatively quickly (a matter of days). | Mar 16 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | I see a recession of some kind happening within the next 6-12 months. | Mar 16 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | I sold all of our stocks on March 1st at their all time high and purchased government debt to hold on for a while. | Mar 16 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | My hope is that while investors are throwing themselves out and turning into pavement pizza, that at least our gains are preserved. | Mar 16 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'll buy back into the market after the crash. The rest of the central banks in the world seem to have taken a lesson from Japan that deflationary recessions are something to be avoided at all costs. | Mar 16 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | This stupid Thrift Savings Plan forces me to put fully a quarter of my investments into stocks in Japan if I want to get into international markets. | Mar 16 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | The upside to it is that we get access to a bond fund that pays out the interest rate on the ten year US Treasury Note and matures every day, so I can get the money back out whenever I want. | Mar 16 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | The downside is that the Republicans are controlling the entire government now and there's no evidence that they'll respond to a crisis. They have a history of not only bringing about recessions, but also sitting there doing nothing while things get worse. | Mar 16 14:46 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/934hfAo.gifv | Mar 16 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Droids interrupt Darth Vader Interview | Mar 16 14:49 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/cOUGAu5.gifv | Mar 16 15:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | flight of the sugar glider | Mar 16 15:01 | |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/842422435374866432?ref_src=twsrc^tfw | Mar 16 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NatashaBertrand: Mike Flynn was paid 11k to work for a Russian cybersecurity company while he still had top-secret level security cl… https://t.co/dJiWBbnXIQ | Mar 16 15:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NatashaBertrand: Mike Flynn was paid 11k to work for a Russian cybersecurity company while he still had top-secret level security cl… https://t.co/dJiWBbnXIQ | Mar 16 15:02 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: wow | Mar 16 15:30 |
| cubexyz | I got two wifis now :) | Mar 16 15:53 |
| cubexyz | seems to work OK | Mar 16 15:53 |
| schestowitz | I read that as wives | Mar 16 15:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe you ARE a little Amish after all :-) | Mar 16 15:56 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to repair and reuse an old tablet right now | Mar 16 15:56 |
| cubexyz | hurray for repairing :) | Mar 16 16:00 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/sGa9Ijk.png (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/aZeS0 ) | Mar 16 16:33 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, John got some passengers coming through the airport with state IDs with no picture on them. | Mar 16 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | Amish.... | Mar 16 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | They had to get extra screening because of it. | Mar 16 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/16/investing/wells-fargo-gender-gap-bank/index.html | Mar 16 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com | Women financial advisers at Wells Fargo 27% more likely to lose their job: study - Mar. 16, 2017 | Mar 16 17:27 | |
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| patentaki | Like...his greek tyrant friend Serafeim Stasinos- used to "represent" greece in the Finance nd Budget Comittee of EPO, while in his country had no insitutional position!!!! just by being Beny's friend | Mar 17 05:23 |
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| schestowitz | Dutch Parl cites not one but TWO (out of a total of 3) El Reg articles (English text): The EPO's Abuses and Claims of Immunity From Prosecution Increasingly Fracture the Dutch Establishment http://techrights.org/2017/03/17/dutch-epo-immunity/ | Mar 17 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Abuses and Claims of Immunity From Prosecution Increasingly Fracture the Dutch Establishment | Techrights | Mar 17 11:36 | |
| schestowitz | We're making a MASSIVE difference now, politically too | Mar 17 11:36 |
| schestowitz | The days of EPO management are numbered | Mar 17 11:36 |
| schestowitz | then we can get back to other things | Mar 17 11:36 |
| MinceR | nice | Mar 17 11:46 |
| schestowitz | El Reg is fed by us | Mar 17 12:11 |
| schestowitz | and admits it | Mar 17 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/8969234 | Mar 17 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Washed away https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_1722920889f2e3709a6a.jpg | Mar 17 13:37 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/63YCg.gif | Mar 17 13:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: animal abuse | Mar 17 14:10 |
| schestowitz | for "likes" | Mar 17 14:10 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/LAMbdpc.gifv (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/KNjPg ) | Mar 17 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | HMC so I can show you the dance of my people... | Mar 17 14:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Let me show you the dance of my people... - Album on Imgur | Mar 17 14:48 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/3hZZZuu.gifv (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/J1bh9 ) | Mar 17 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Determination | Mar 17 15:11 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: ha | Mar 17 16:19 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 17 16:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ping | Mar 17 16:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz ping | Mar 17 16:20 |
| *razielle_tzu pongs | Mar 17 16:27 | |
| schestowitz | 0/ | Mar 17 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | both of you perfect | Mar 17 16:28 |
| razielle_tzu | i wouldn't say perfect but i try | Mar 17 16:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, schestowitz I am thinking about putting something up maybe on facebook, on my like articles etc page, for event | Mar 17 16:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | about the company who owns mercedz benz, joinig a anti patents organisation | Mar 17 16:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but then again I am trying to aim that page, at average people ewho mght get on it, so anything patents is going to be a bit uh really? | Mar 17 16:29 |
| razielle_tzu | you might be better just linking to some of schestowitz' stuff or creating a blog post somewhere that references it and explains things | Mar 17 16:30 |
| razielle_tzu | but i wouldn't know i don't create event pages on FB | Mar 17 16:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, well this is just the general feed really, for the event | Mar 17 16:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | soon will have another event page as well, since got an upcoming event | Mar 17 16:31 |
| razielle_tzu | i barely do anything on the group page for the computer club i run nevermind keeping an event feed active | Mar 17 16:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, schestowitz 's some of it is to much I think, unless into this stuff | Mar 17 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, sure but I am wanting to build this thing up, make it bigger | Mar 17 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | run two of these a year | Mar 17 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | etc | Mar 17 16:32 |
| razielle_tzu | i'm still not the person to ask about social media, i have enough issues keeping my personal stuff up to date | Mar 17 16:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | your personal stuff such as? | Mar 17 16:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah schestowitz on the other hand is obbssed with social media basically | Mar 17 16:33 |
| razielle_tzu | my FB page, twitter, my two blogs | Mar 17 16:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, what I meant though if trying to aim a page at mostly the lay man | Mar 17 16:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | someone who might become interested in linux etc | Mar 17 16:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | telling them something anything to do with software patents, even if it s some big company who has something famous joined an anti patents group | Mar 17 16:34 |
| razielle_tzu | i do that stuff face to face, through FB messenger or rarely irc | Mar 17 16:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | maybe its not that great doing that, and on facebook to | Mar 17 16:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | facebook messenger is going uh with my ubuntu tablet | Mar 17 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | now | Mar 17 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | since its not working proeprly at times now etc, or its just broke stuff, not sure yet | Mar 17 16:35 |
| razielle_tzu | i use pidgin and a custom built plugin to connect to the new FB api | Mar 17 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah I used to use pidgin a lot to connect | Mar 17 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to fb | Mar 17 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | on normal computer | Mar 17 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I am doing more personal commetns with articles that being linked to here and there on it to | Mar 17 16:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | maybe if I keep on doing that, certain people will see it go on it, and think oh, I wonder who doing that etc, lets go to event | Mar 17 16:37 |
| razielle_tzu | maybe | Mar 17 16:38 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, personal facebook feed? I dont use that | Mar 17 16:40 |
| razielle_tzu | i have friends in america and other places i can't text or chat to via irc, sometimes i miss them being online so i leave updates in my feed for them to check out | Mar 17 16:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, right ok | Mar 17 16:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and yes it can be good for that long distance contact | Mar 17 16:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | be they with in person peoploe, or online peopl | Mar 17 16:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | e | Mar 17 16:46 |
| schestowitz | [20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> about the company who owns mercedz benz, joinig a anti patents organisation | Mar 17 16:52 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Mar 17 16:52 |
| schestowitz | OIN isn't anti-patent | Mar 17 16:53 |
| schestowitz | it's the opposite of that | Mar 17 16:53 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ^ | Mar 17 16:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz oh is it really, really the opposite? | Mar 17 16:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz I thought I read it was one of the good ones ? | Mar 17 16:53 |
| schestowitz | yes, it recently promotes a pro software patents thing | Mar 17 16:53 |
| schestowitz | it claims to support Linux | Mar 17 16:53 |
| schestowitz | but does too little to that effect | Mar 17 16:54 |
| schestowitz | it's a bit like "controlled opposition" | Mar 17 16:54 |
| schestowitz | to convince us to co-exist with patents in the area | Mar 17 16:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz it was this one I read: http://www.zdnet.com/article/daimler-joins-linuxs-open-invention-network-patent-protection-group/ | Mar 17 16:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Daimler joins Linux's Open Invention Network patent-protection group | ZDNet | Mar 17 16:54 | |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 17 16:54 |
| schestowitz | it's the only such report | Mar 17 16:54 |
| schestowitz | that I've seen | Mar 17 16:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so your saying that its a bit fake? | Mar 17 16:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | they aren't that anti patents | Mar 17 16:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe Kieth B called SJVN | Mar 17 16:55 |
| schestowitz | to "generate" that article | Mar 17 16:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | whos keith b ? | Mar 17 16:55 |
| schestowitz | the CEO of OIN | Mar 17 16:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | oh | Mar 17 16:55 |
| schestowitz | I forget how to spell his surname | Mar 17 16:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so is this a good thing or not then | Mar 17 16:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | them joining o in ? | Mar 17 16:55 |
| schestowitz | anyway, OIN are not our ally, the FSF is | Mar 17 16:55 |
| schestowitz | FFII may be | Mar 17 16:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | whats FF11 ? | Mar 17 16:56 |
| schestowitz | not sure about their German wing | Mar 17 16:56 |
| schestowitz | ask zoobab | Mar 17 16:56 |
| schestowitz | ffii.org | Mar 17 16:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitzOIN isn't much good for us, the FSF is instead, is that what you mean ? | Mar 17 16:56 |
| schestowitz | they fought to abolish any change of software patents in Europe a decade ago or more | Mar 17 16:56 |
| schestowitz | also against OOXML | Mar 17 16:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | you mean the FSF ? | Mar 17 16:57 |
| schestowitz | do you want to help us fight software patents? | Mar 17 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you can help combat the UPC in EUrope | Mar 17 16:57 |
| MinceR | the FSF isn't much good for us anymore either | Mar 17 16:57 |
| MinceR | they support systemd lock-in | Mar 17 16:57 |
| schestowitz | and reach crowd with the relevant messages and actions | Mar 17 16:57 |
| schestowitz | get people to sign this petition: nounitarysoftwarepatents.uk/ | Mar 17 16:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz how should the public be made aware at least to some extent, about software patents, so to do with Linux specifically as well, in lay mans terms ? | Mar 17 16:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | if at all for that even | Mar 17 16:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | maybe ignorance is bliss | Mar 17 16:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when not into something enough anyway, and some things to do with it | Mar 17 16:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:57] <MinceR> they support systemd lock-in | Mar 17 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Nobody is perfect | Mar 17 16:58 |
| schestowitz | they also gave Mathew Microsoft an award | Mar 17 16:58 |
| schestowitz | for UEFI 'secure' boot work | Mar 17 16:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz I was thinking of linking to the oin article on Facebook for my generally public aimed at event | Mar 17 16:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but I am a bit more hmm now | Mar 17 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | maybe paste the petition text re UPC | Mar 17 16:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | plus its probably not really the best idea to start going on about software patents on there really ! trying to explain about them a bit, what they are etc | Mar 17 16:59 |
| schestowitz | and get people to sign it | Mar 17 16:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | oh DaemonFC is here | Mar 17 16:59 |
| schestowitz | hide your daughters! | Mar 17 16:59 |
| MinceR | hide yo' kids, hide yo' wife, 'cause they're rapin' everybody out there! | Mar 17 17:00 |
| schestowitz | bbll | Mar 17 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The guy that robbed John was like "You finna come with me.". | Mar 17 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | When he told me that, I was like, "Finna? What's that?". | Mar 17 17:02 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 17 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | He said, "It's how black people here say 'gonna'.". | Mar 17 17:02 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 17 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, I was laughing "Oh, he got away with six dollars and a broken Galaxy S6. That's gangsta.". | Mar 17 17:03 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 17 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | I hated my Galaxy S6. It got like four hours on a charge, if you were lucky. | Mar 17 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | I heard that the government has a new regulation that says that no new cell phones can have a user-replaceable battery. Not sure if that's true or not. If it is, I'll be keeeping my LG G5 for a while. | Mar 17 17:06 |
| MinceR | that's shitty | Mar 17 17:07 |
| MinceR | still, i thought i've read about a recent midrange phone from lenovo (moto) that had a removable battery | Mar 17 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I'm not sure of any reason that ddoesn't involve spyware for that one. | Mar 17 17:07 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll buy an LG V20 and then hold on to it for a while | Mar 17 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, After dealing with Lenovo last year, I doubt I'd buy another one. | Mar 17 17:07 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 17 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe if they actually do keep allowing Linux to be installed from now on. | Mar 17 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | The complaint I filed with the Illinois state government was what kicked them in the nuts. | Mar 17 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | Before that, it seemed that no amount of negative media coverage would change their position. | Mar 17 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | After the complaint to the government, they did a complete 180, fixed all existing systems with new BIOSes and announced that the 910 would allow AHCI mode in the default BIOS. | Mar 17 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | I can see why companies want to tear down government regulations. | Mar 17 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | On a related note, our current landlords are having a hell of a time with Chicago's anti-slumlord laws. | Mar 17 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | They've been written up and ordered to fix something in this building 93 times since we moved in last year. | Mar 17 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | Things still aren't right, but they've been forced to fix the worst of it. | Mar 17 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | Everything from leaking plumbing, to backed up drains, to rotting stairwells, to exterior work because pieces of the building were falling off onto the sidewalk, to rodent control.... | Mar 17 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | A bunch of stuff. | Mar 17 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | We're getting the hell out of here before the end of the month. We put down on a new apartment in Roger's Park. It's more expensive, but only slightly, and it's twice as big, all utilities paid by the landlord, and in a much nicer building. | Mar 17 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Violent crime rate in the neighborhood is 1/5th of what it is where we live now. | Mar 17 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | I pulled up the public records before we signed a lease this time. The place where we live now has been awful. | Mar 17 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | On top of the violations, they were fined about $10,000 last year. | Mar 17 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | Chicago Department of Revenue probably loves them. | Mar 17 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | Their property tax bill for this place is running $58,000 a year now. | Mar 17 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | They were appealing it each year, but they quit doing it because the appeals were being denied and the lawyer gets paid anyway. | Mar 17 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's not just the number of apartments, it's the footprint of the building. | Mar 17 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | The only reason this thing is still standing is because they built great stuff in the 1920s. | Mar 17 17:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 17 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's been through decades of neglect. | Mar 17 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://betanews.com/2017/03/12/disgustingly-sneaky-windows-10-ads/ | Mar 17 17:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Microsoft is disgustingly sneaky: Windows 10 isn't an operating system, it's an advertising platform | Mar 17 17:17 | |
| DaemonFC | BetaNews is criticizing Microsoft. That's new. | Mar 17 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | Each update puts ads in some new place and you have to find out where to go to turn the new ones off. | Mar 17 17:17 |
| MinceR | Backdoors10 is malware | Mar 17 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They know that most people won't bother to turn the ads off. | Mar 17 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | So they can say "You can if you want to." because probably single digit percentages of the people using Windows 10 actually will.. | Mar 17 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't seem to really matter much what web browser you use anymore. | Mar 17 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Somewhere along the way, DRM and binary applications running in your browser became "open standards". | Mar 17 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | This "WebAssembly" will make obfuscated Javascript look pleasant. | Mar 17 17:21 |
| MinceR | they're more into saying either "you can if you want to, but we'll just switch it back" or "you can't, even if you want to" nowadays | Mar 17 17:22 |
| MinceR | and the moronic masses are OK with that | Mar 17 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | I can see GNU IceCat turning it off, but sites will slowly start using it and then the web will be broken without it. | Mar 17 17:22 |
| MinceR | apparently they have new APIs applications can only use if they're distributed via the winblows store now | Mar 17 17:22 |
| MinceR | meanwhile macos breaks applications if crApple wasn't paid to sign them | Mar 17 17:23 |
| MinceR | Backdoors10 and macos sierra are dangerously close to not being general purpose computer OSes anymore | Mar 17 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, but most apps people use are not from the Windows store. | Mar 17 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, I've never used it. | Mar 17 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Mar 17 17:34 |
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| MinceR | they'll probably start treating the old APIs negatively | Mar 17 17:36 |
| MinceR | maybe even break them, microsoft style | Mar 17 17:36 |
| MinceR | "DOS Ain't Done 'til Lotus Won't Run" | Mar 17 17:37 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, There's already some of that. | Mar 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to embed a web browser engine in a "classic" app, it has to be Trident. | Mar 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | You can't use EdgeHTML in such an app. | Mar 17 17:40 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 17 17:40 |
| MinceR | not much of a difference though :> | Mar 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | IE is pretty much frozen in time. | Mar 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Security updates only. | Mar 17 17:40 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't trust m$ with security anyway | Mar 17 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | The extensions system in Edge is still totally broken. | Mar 17 17:41 |
| MinceR | but yeah, i can see the sort of people who would primarily target windows fall for that sort of crap | Mar 17 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | If you try to use TamperMonkey, Edge starts saying "Page Not Found" all the time. | Mar 17 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Norton was recommending people keep using IE 11 because Microsoft won't let shitty extensions like theirs into Edge. | Mar 17 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | The extension system from Chrome is quickly becoming the de facto standard. | Mar 17 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | Soon, that'll be the only kind of extension that works in Firefox. | Mar 17 17:44 |
| MinceR | if anything at all will work on firefox, anyway | Mar 17 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/WebExtensions/Porting_a_Google_Chrome_extension | Mar 17 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.mozilla.org | Porting a Google Chrome extension - Mozilla | MDN | Mar 17 17:45 | |
| MinceR | mozilla is breaking everything | Mar 17 17:46 |
| MinceR | they broke the UI, they're breaking extensions, they're forcing ALSA | Mar 17 17:46 |
| MinceR | failfox is swarming with bugs | Mar 17 17:46 |
| MinceR | oops | Mar 17 17:46 |
| MinceR | they're forcing pulseaudio, of course | Mar 17 17:47 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: some alsa sound cards and setups don't pass the ALSA test suite | Mar 17 18:12 |
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| MinceR | i don't care | Mar 17 18:14 |
| MinceR | also, pulseaudio won't work without alsa either | Mar 17 18:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pulseaudio in fact includes a lot of detect broken combination apply work around. | Mar 17 18:15 |
| MinceR | where's the workaround for pulseaudio itself being a bloated, buggy pile of shit? | Mar 17 18:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: some of pulseaudio buggyness at times is pulseaudio using more features on ALSA than the applications to are using so finding sound card driver being a buggy pile of trouble. | Mar 17 18:16 |
| MinceR | also, i don't need the retards at mozilla to pick audio drivers for me | Mar 17 18:17 |
| MinceR | i can do it myself, thank-you-very-much | Mar 17 18:17 |
| XRevan86 | Then apulse | Mar 17 18:17 |
| MinceR | fuck apulse | Mar 17 18:17 |
| XRevan86 | okay | Mar 17 18:17 |
| MinceR | i switched to palemoon and i won't use skype | Mar 17 18:17 |
| MinceR | poettering can stick his malware where the sun doesn't shine | Mar 17 18:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse is not poettering | Mar 17 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - i-rinat/apulse: PulseAudio emulation for ALSA | Mar 17 18:18 | |
| oiaohm | But of course is does not have pulseaudio quirks data. | Mar 17 18:19 |
| oiaohm | Alsa it self does not have any valid way of storing sound card quirks/ features not to touch with a ten foot barge poll when using X driver. | Mar 17 18:19 |
| MinceR | apulse is a hack to accommodate broken crap that insists on pulseaudio | Mar 17 18:26 |
| MinceR | and pulseaudio is poetteringware | Mar 17 18:26 |
| MinceR | i prefer to avoid broken crap | Mar 17 18:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: alsa is broken crap. | Mar 17 18:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Find a automated test suite for ALSA it does not exist. | Mar 17 18:27 |
| MinceR | and despite all the FUD, intel/conexant HDA and soundblaster omni are both working fine | Mar 17 18:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: other than pulseaudio one. | Mar 17 18:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct intel/conexant HDA if you run everything in the alsa-lib test directory you will find things that should work that don't. | Mar 17 18:28 |
| MinceR | i don't use my audio hardware to run test suites | Mar 17 18:28 |
| MinceR | i use my audio hardware to play audio | Mar 17 18:28 |
| MinceR | music, video and games all work fine | Mar 17 18:28 |
| MinceR | which they did not with PA | Mar 17 18:29 |
| MinceR | it skipped; now it doesn't skip | Mar 17 18:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pure manual testing runs though all the different ways alsa should support playing audio and that at least 1 application out their requests. | Mar 17 18:29 |
| MinceR | and all the FUD and hostile software and dependencies used as weapons against the user won't change that fact. | Mar 17 18:29 |
| *MinceR yawns | Mar 17 18:29 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: come on alsa-lib does a release are you aware they don't have a even a automated build server to confirm that applies patches even works. | Mar 17 18:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that they even build. | Mar 17 18:30 |
| oiaohm | Pulseaudio and other sound servers basically have existed because alsa development methods are in need of some serous overhauling. | Mar 17 18:31 |
| *MinceR yawns again | Mar 17 18:31 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so you want to be rid of Pulseaudio what are you going to do fix up alsa so items like hotplugging works. | Mar 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: how many more of these lines will it take to fix pulseaudio? | Mar 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | also, even if it was the way you say, that still doesn't justify forcing pulseaudio on users | Mar 17 18:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have never liked any sound server | Mar 17 18:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have always looked at them as hacks. | Mar 17 18:33 |
| MinceR | if PA is so great, let it succeed by its virtues, not by forcing it on users | Mar 17 18:33 |
| MinceR | same is true for cancerd | Mar 17 18:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and it always because the low systems are not fixed. | Mar 17 18:33 |
| MinceR | if it was so great, ratcrap wouldn't need to use all the dirty tricks from microsoft's book to get people to use it | Mar 17 18:33 |
| MinceR | also, when will PA stop breaking ALSA's low-level API? | Mar 17 18:33 |
| oiaohm | Sound servers all the way back to esound and artsd fighting with each other should never have been required. | Mar 17 18:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what do you mean breaking ALSA low-level API. | Mar 17 18:34 |
| MinceR | blocking it from applications | Mar 17 18:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: put up what you are refering to. | Mar 17 18:34 |
| MinceR | i can't, it was a long time ago | Mar 17 18:34 |
| MinceR | i didn't think it was going to be a "use pulseaudio or else" issue eventually | Mar 17 18:34 |
| MinceR | i didn't see all this poetteringware and cancerd forcing coming | Mar 17 18:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that was implemented for sound servers before pulseaudio and part alsa standard to allow third party mixing to be added to fix up Alsa broken known defective dmix. | Mar 17 18:35 |
| MinceR | if i had, i would have given ratcrap's stuff a wide berth | Mar 17 18:35 |
| MinceR | ooh, "known defective" | Mar 17 18:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so my question is when is ALSA sound mixing going to be properly fixed. | Mar 17 18:35 |
| MinceR | is skipping required by the specification? or by some test suite somewhere? :> | Mar 17 18:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so we don't need sound servers. | Mar 17 18:35 |
| MinceR | i don't need sound servers. | Mar 17 18:36 |
| MinceR | neither does palemoon. | Mar 17 18:36 |
| MinceR | neither does failfox, if it's built from source, configured properly (not like the morons at mozilla do) | Mar 17 18:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: skipping is in the specification and how the sound card is meant to inform applications so it does not happen. | Mar 17 18:36 |
| MinceR | also, if ratcrap manages to kill linux, it will be moot | Mar 17 18:36 |
| MinceR | openbsd and netbsd probably have this figured out already | Mar 17 18:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: does not help that a lot of sound cards drivers in alsa report the wrong buffer and fail to send notification when buffer it getting near empty. | Mar 17 18:37 |
| MinceR | too bad the specification of my audio processing wasn't informed that gratuitous gaps in music playback are to be enjoyed, not avoided | Mar 17 18:37 |
| MinceR | i guess my brain wasn't designed by poettering | Mar 17 18:37 |
| oiaohm | openbsd and netbsd and freebsd use oss that is more sanely designed and has working sound mixing. | Mar 17 18:37 |
| MinceR | i thought openbsd used sndio | Mar 17 18:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sndio still has working sound mixing. | Mar 17 18:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: alsa has sound mixing that breaks without anything else. | Mar 17 18:38 |
| MinceR | breaks how? | Mar 17 18:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: dmix cannot cope with applicaitons wanting to-do different bit depths and speeds at the same time. | Mar 17 18:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: both sndio and oss can cope with that. | Mar 17 18:39 |
| MinceR | then i guess they never want to do that | Mar 17 18:39 |
| MinceR | or perhaps you're working with outdated information | Mar 17 18:40 |
| oiaohm | No because under Linux every time someone did that people used sound servers so alsa was never fixed up properly. | Mar 17 18:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes it because alsa was designed to be sound server dependant. | Mar 17 18:40 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Mar 17 18:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-913432-start-0.html I cannot find the email back in early alsa development at the moment where dmix limit support was justified. Like systems with more than 2 speakers existed when the first lines of dmix was coded. | Mar 17 18:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - ALSA dmix not working Intel HDA [Solved] | Mar 17 18:42 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yet dmix only support 2 speakers. | Mar 17 18:42 |
| MinceR | i have 2 speakers | Mar 17 18:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about a person with 5.1 | Mar 17 18:43 |
| MinceR | well, there's also a bass speaker in there, but it's managed by the speaker unit | Mar 17 18:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 5.1 works correctly with OSS and sndio | Mar 17 18:43 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: are you saying that i should break my audio and get used to skips in music when the system is loaded because somebody else has a 5.1 system? | Mar 17 18:43 |
| MinceR | that's just like saying my servers should boot and shutdown unreliably and should be forced to reboot often because somebody wants to run multihead desktops. | Mar 17 18:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the skips issue with HDA turns up with different applications using ALSA directly without pulseaudio as well. | Mar 17 18:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: because a lot of HDA report the wrong information. | Mar 17 18:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and there is no valid test suite for those making drivers. | Mar 17 18:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: also, what if i wanted to use a sound server other than PA? | Mar 17 18:45 |
| MinceR | is that heresy? | Mar 17 18:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I use jackaudio as well and I had particular cards skip and do stuff stupid with it as well. | Mar 17 18:46 |
| MinceR | so, am i the sysadmin of my own computers, or is poettering the sysadmin of my own computers? | Mar 17 18:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: a lot of issue put on PA are not PA its the lower level being absolutely bad. | Mar 17 18:47 |
| MinceR | yet it magically goes away if i get rid of PA | Mar 17 18:47 |
| MinceR | and still, i am not to get rid of PA because the high priest said so. | Mar 17 18:47 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i really miss the time when free software was about freedom. | Mar 17 18:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: PA attempt to use larger buffer sizes and what the driver reported it could handle. Lot of application just pick their own buffer size and throw that at sound card. | Mar 17 18:48 |
| MinceR | so, where are your magical quirk lists now? | Mar 17 18:48 |
| oiaohm | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Choppy_sound_with_analog_surround_sound_setup Please frequency = 48000 having to be set in openal that uses alsa directly at times to avoid alsa being choppy. | Mar 17 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki | Mar 17 18:51 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pulseaudio include a lot of manual controls to allow setting to sound card because quirk list is not complete. | Mar 17 18:52 |
| MinceR | it's funny how the selling points evaporate | Mar 17 18:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wrong buffersizes wrong clockspeed support all come up from the driver level. | Mar 17 18:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so if you application asks the alsa driver what it can do and attempt to do it everything goes wrong. | Mar 17 18:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the thing is here is why does pulseaudio, jack and other sound servers even need a quirk list. | Mar 17 18:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it a symptom that lower down is broken. | Mar 17 18:56 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the thing is that this does not magically make pulseaudio not broken | Mar 17 18:57 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and even if it did, it's still rude to force users to one particular sound server with such excuses | Mar 17 18:57 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: especially when the code is already there to use ALSA | Mar 17 18:58 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. artsd, jackaudio, esound... every sound server in history has implemented own API/ABI because the ALSA API/ABI is lacking stuff sound servers need. Like the means to tell applications they are disconnected from audio stop sending stuff to be played. | Mar 17 18:59 |
| MinceR | what "not exactly"? | Mar 17 19:00 |
| oiaohm | Not what I said other than sound server muting audio when else do you think you would want to tell an application to stop sending audio. | Mar 17 19:01 |
| oiaohm | Not/Note | Mar 17 19:01 |
| MinceR | depends on the application | Mar 17 19:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about if you disconenct the speakers or pull the usb sound card out or change where the speakers are connected.... | Mar 17 19:02 |
| MinceR | usually i quit the audio player, then unplug the usb sound card | Mar 17 19:02 |
| MinceR | if i want to use the builtin audio hw, i edit my .asoundrc | Mar 17 19:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you forget things don't go right. | Mar 17 19:02 |
| MinceR | i still should have the freedom to do so | Mar 17 19:03 |
| MinceR | especially when PA would waste CPU and RAM | Mar 17 19:03 |
| MinceR | some people have 5.1 audio systems and multiseat desktops. well, i have weak computers. | Mar 17 19:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes I am not saying you should not have the freedom to use ALSA but it also should work right. | Mar 17 19:03 |
| MinceR | actually, that's what you've been arguing for almost an hour | Mar 17 19:03 |
| MinceR | oh, also, i have a laptop | Mar 17 19:04 |
| MinceR | the battery lasts longer if useless crap like PA and libvirtd don't get to waste power for nothing | Mar 17 19:04 |
| MinceR | oh, also, systemd | Mar 17 19:04 |
| oiaohm | Why we are getting stuck with sound servers and this goes back to esound. artsd and before because the lower sound stuff is not getting fixed. | Mar 17 19:04 |
| oiaohm | And application developers don't want to deal with quirks. | Mar 17 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I decided to go bargain shopping thanks to the strong dollar. | Mar 17 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | I bought up shares of an index fund that tracks the MSCI EAFE index. | Mar 17 19:05 |
| oiaohm | Pulseaudio becomes application developers scape goat when audio does not work instead of user blaming them in most cases. | Mar 17 19:05 |
| MinceR | then perhaps application developers should look for a job they're qualified for | Mar 17 19:06 |
| MinceR | perhaps they should look into developing applications that don't need audio. | Mar 17 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | The dollar is hugely overvalued right now, so it makes foreign investing mighty tempting. | Mar 17 19:06 |
| MinceR | in general, if mozilla can't improve firefox even though they have money, they shouldn't try to work around that by spending money on making firefox worse instead | Mar 17 19:06 |
| MinceR | if they just burned the money, even that would be less of a waste than what they're doing | Mar 17 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | So, as things return to their long term average, in dollar terms, this stands to make a pretty hefty profit. | Mar 17 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't trust the US stock market. | Mar 17 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | It made some good gains for me over the last few years, but I can see that coming to an end. | Mar 17 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | Everything is overvalued, especially Microsoft. | Mar 17 19:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not having money it cost resources to maintain alsa working with all the quirks it has. It also cheaper for application developers to drop alsa support and mandate uses use pulseaudio. | Mar 17 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | P/E of 30.5? Fuck. | Mar 17 19:08 |
| MinceR | apparently destructive change for the sake of change is the "trendy", "cool", "modern" thing to do nowadays | Mar 17 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | People are still buying that? | Mar 17 19:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it's also cheaper to not develop bullshit such as australis, or that pocket bullshit, or EME support, or patent-encumbered codec support | Mar 17 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, I owned some Microsoft and Apple in there somewhere, but I sold at an all time high, so I'm feeling good about that. | Mar 17 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | Let the big shitpile come down on someone else. | Mar 17 19:08 |
| MinceR | the alternative is literally doing nothing | Mar 17 19:08 |
| MinceR | which costs literally nothing | Mar 17 19:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pocket bullshit they paid for the location. So that was income. | Mar 17 19:09 |
| MinceR | good for them | Mar 17 19:09 |
| MinceR | too bad every user got the shaft | Mar 17 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, We went to see that movie "Get Out" the other day. | Mar 17 19:09 |
| MinceR | makes me wonder who the fuck mozilla is developing their shit for now | Mar 17 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft product placements everywhere. | Mar 17 19:09 |
| MinceR | it sure isn't the users | Mar 17 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | Surface Books. Windows Phones. | Mar 17 19:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember the project need money. | Mar 17 19:09 |
| MinceR | what for? | Mar 17 19:09 |
| MinceR | what can they use that money for? | Mar 17 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | I leaned over to John and said "Oh look, the only person who bought a Windows Phone in the entire world.". | Mar 17 19:10 |
| MinceR | all they do is add shit nobody needs, rearrange the ui so it becomes less usable, and add tons of bugs everywhere that won't ever get fixed. | Mar 17 19:10 |
| MinceR | oh, and new "features" that break everything and add nothing useful | Mar 17 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That describes modern software in general. | Mar 17 19:10 |
| MinceR | yeah | Mar 17 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | Start over, break everything, let the poor saps try to figure out how to do the same tasks they were doing fine before. | Mar 17 19:11 |
| MinceR | like the shiny new ui that makes tabs randomly forget their icons or their contents (including the URL) | Mar 17 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Mar 17 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, KDE... Jesus | Mar 17 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | The 4 series wasn't even usable day to day until 4.3 was out. | Mar 17 19:12 |
| MinceR | kde is gone, let it go | Mar 17 19:12 |
| MinceR | kde3 was good, and then it was all over | Mar 17 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | They tossed out the 3 series even though it was working perfectly fine. | Mar 17 19:12 |
| MinceR | at least they managed to do 3 major releases before going to hell | Mar 17 19:12 |
| MinceR | gnome only managed 1 | Mar 17 19:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: australis the UI rework in Firefox started as attempt to fix the UI up to work with Electrolysis what is multi process support. | Mar 17 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They wait until everything is working too well and there's no reason to change much of anything. | Mar 17 19:12 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yeah, electrolysis also turned out to be perfectly useless | Mar 17 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | Then they toss it out. | Mar 17 19:12 |
| MinceR | but hey, at least they get to break most extensions | Mar 17 19:13 |
| MinceR | it's not like anyone used failfox for the extensions, right? | Mar 17 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Ideally, software would be improved incrementally. | Mar 17 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | The user says "Hmm, there's a new feature but everything is basically the same.". | Mar 17 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | Instead, it's this churn and burn process where nothing ever works right and when it does, it's time to start over. | Mar 17 19:13 |
| MinceR | oh, also, this shiny new ui wastes screen spaces as if i was using a 10x10 grid of 4K displays or something | Mar 17 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | I have a 4k display. | Mar 17 19:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not really electrolysis work was required to make firefox work better on multi core systems as well. Having almost a single thread to render all open pages and interfaces was not exaclty a good idea. | Mar 17 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | The original Windows 10 was horrendous with 4k. | Mar 17 19:14 |
| MinceR | i have to install MicroFox/MicroMoon if i want to leave some pixels for the actual web pages | Mar 17 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | They improved that part, at least. | Mar 17 19:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yet if one process crashes, the whole browser becomes unusable. | Mar 17 19:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and as an added bonus, it consumes more RAM | Mar 17 19:15 |
| MinceR | as if "modern" websites didn't waste enough RAM already. | Mar 17 19:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: multi threading support does cost more ram with the ram per thread issue. | Mar 17 19:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you'll have to tell someone else about that. i think it was DaemonFC. :> | Mar 17 19:16 |
| MinceR | oh, you said it does cost more | Mar 17 19:16 |
| MinceR | never mind, then | Mar 17 19:16 |
| oiaohm | The price of supporting multi core cpus is using more ram. | Mar 17 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | Multiprocess does use a lot of extra RAM. | Mar 17 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | With Firefox, there's been this one really big process. With Chrome or Edge, there's a bunch of smaller ones that collectively use 20-30% more. | Mar 17 19:17 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: under Linux at kernel level there is very little difference in cost between a thread and a process. | Mar 17 19:18 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: because the same structures exist anyhow. | Mar 17 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | Windows processes are much more expensive. | Mar 17 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | That's why the RAM use is horrible with browsers like Chrome. | Mar 17 19:18 |
| MinceR | i wonder why would the rendering of text, images and link need more than one core | Mar 17 19:19 |
| oiaohm | It one of the clear difference between OS X/Linux/BSD vs windows. Windows really does not like multi process applications. | Mar 17 19:19 |
| MinceR | what could possibly so heavy about such a simple task in 2017? | Mar 17 19:19 |
| MinceR | processes are so costly in winblows they wrote svchost.exe to stuff multiple services in one process | Mar 17 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Chrome Sandbox in Windows uses Integrity Levels. | Mar 17 19:19 |
| MinceR | dave cutler's design "genius" in action! | Mar 17 19:20 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: ooh, buzzwords! | Mar 17 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | In Windows, the trust level of a process, is System, High, Medium, Low, and AppContainer. | Mar 17 19:20 |
| MinceR | the robber barons of redmond throw "ASLR" around as if they invented it | Mar 17 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | AppConntainer is new to Windows 8. | Mar 17 19:20 |
| MinceR | ooh, AppContainer(tm)! | Mar 17 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, by the time you're in AppContainer, the process can't do very much other than ask another process to do something for it. | Mar 17 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | It's meant for Windows Store apps and Edge. | Mar 17 19:21 |
| MinceR | does AppContainer(tm) manage to isolate the event loop of a window from the process using the window? :> | Mar 17 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Although it is available to "classic" apps too. | Mar 17 19:21 |
| oiaohm | https://news.saferbytes.it/analisi/2013/07/securing-microsoft-windows-8-appcontainers/ | Mar 17 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.saferbytes.it | Securing Microsoft Windows 8: AppContainers | Mar 17 19:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has done a horrible job documenting this. | Mar 17 19:22 |
| MinceR | Securing Microsoft Windows 8: How to Uninstall It And Get a Real Operating System | Mar 17 19:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you set up Appcontainers wrong yes you can have a application create a window then not be able to put anything in it under Windwos. | Mar 17 19:22 |
| MinceR | microsoft in general does a horrible job documenting anything | Mar 17 19:22 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: great, sounds very useful | Mar 17 19:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: put it this way Microsoft appcontainers starts making cgroup and namespaces on Linux look friendly. | Mar 17 19:23 |
| MinceR | microsoft makes everything except apple look friendly | Mar 17 19:23 |
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| MinceR | ...and maybe also except redhat | Mar 17 19:26 |
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| cubexyz | winwoes :) | Mar 17 22:33 |
| cubexyz | I try to avoid it | Mar 17 22:33 |
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| cubexyz | I've avoided windows and I've also avoided UEFI | Mar 17 23:55 |
| cubexyz | chromebooks don't use UEFI... | Mar 17 23:55 |
| cubexyz | and my 2008 PC is one of the last to not use UEFI | Mar 17 23:56 |
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| cubexyz | really my setup with konsole is best on KDE 3.5.10 still | Mar 18 00:08 |
| cubexyz | wow, 4k 28" monitors | Mar 18 01:23 |
| cubexyz | what is the point of that? | Mar 18 01:23 |
| cubexyz | I think I'd rather have a bunch of smaller monitors instead | Mar 18 01:24 |
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| cubexyz | ok, I need a wifi card for the 5 ghz service | Mar 18 01:51 |
| cubexyz | no idea what is good...hmmm | Mar 18 01:53 |
| cubexyz | there's 300 Mbps | Mar 18 01:54 |
| cubexyz | surely that would be fast enough | Mar 18 01:54 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, that one is just 2.4 ghz | Mar 18 01:55 |
| cubexyz | I'm still in 32-bit land for this one... HP NX9030... kind of old | Mar 18 01:58 |
| cubexyz | so I'm installing Linux Mint 18.1 32-bit on it | Mar 18 01:58 |
| cubexyz | so no more using Fedora 16... it's getting the boot | Mar 18 01:59 |
| cubexyz | unworthy of memory I'm sorry to say | Mar 18 01:59 |
| cubexyz | anyways, with two internet services I can run the 6 mbps service flat-out and still use wifi with no slowdown whatsoever | Mar 18 02:02 |
| cubexyz | pretty nice :) | Mar 18 02:02 |
| cubexyz | Bell offered me free internet (50 Mbps) for a year | Mar 18 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | just decided to write to RMS about twitter: | Mar 18 04:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 18 04:55 |
| schestowitz | Hi Richard, | Mar 18 04:56 |
| schestowitz | 3 years ago we spoke about Twitter. You said it was OK at the time. I want to let you know that Twitter now keeps censoring me, for no good reason. I wrote two posts about it in my web site (does not require JavaScript): | Mar 18 04:56 |
| schestowitz | Censored by Twitter for Mentioning Being Censored by Twitter | Mar 18 04:56 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2017/03/18/censored-by-twitter-for-mentioning-being-censored-by-twitter/ | Mar 18 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Censored by Twitter for Mentioning Being Censored by Twitter | Mar 18 04:56 | |
| schestowitz | Twitter Stands for Censorship | Mar 18 04:56 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2017/03/08/twitter-stands-for-censorship/ | Mar 18 04:56 |
| schestowitz | As you can imagine, I mostly "tweet" (actually copies from Diaspora) stuff about Free software. | Mar 18 04:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 18 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Twitter Stands for Censorship | Mar 18 04:56 | |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/is7BKp1.gifv | Mar 18 08:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Nuclear reactor starting up | Mar 18 08:06 | |
| schestowitz | never seen this before | Mar 18 09:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rbanffy/status/843089213419589632 | Mar 18 09:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rbanffy: @schestowitz that flash looks odd. Is it the camera adjusting aperture? | Mar 18 09:23 | |
| schestowitz | Not sure, not my area | Mar 18 09:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/843089452331360259 | Mar 18 09:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wendycockcroft: The multiplicity of #GIMP tutorials makes using it easy. It's more intuitive than #Photoshop. https://t.co/KhWTLTzlby | Mar 18 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Gimp 2.8 Reviewed: Open-Source Photo Editor https://t.co/G2RRqGEQL5 definitely usable, easy. Wife uses it. #gimp #gnu #freesw #graphics | Mar 18 09:23 | |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/Trbe3 | Mar 18 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Diamonds arent all that - Album on Imgur | Mar 18 09:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BellaMagnani/status/843096574783905792 | Mar 18 10:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BellaMagnani: .@schestowitz https://t.co/hFam776S0V | Mar 18 10:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Wikileaks | Facebook | Mar 18 10:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dekdarion/status/843098447406399488 | Mar 18 10:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dekdarion: @schestowitz @wikileaks has a FB page. | Mar 18 10:05 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I was not ware | Mar 18 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I was not aware | Mar 18 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sainsburys/status/843104297722281984 | Mar 18 10:40 |
| schestowitz | damage control | Mar 18 10:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unexpected response | Mar 18 10:40 | |
| schestowitz | "Hey there Roy. Can you DM us some more information please? You can do this on the link provided. Megan" | Mar 18 10:40 |
| schestowitz | they try to silence critics | Mar 18 10:40 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/iohUWQv.gif | Mar 18 11:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170316/08471136931/how-drones-help-transparency-activists-to-see-things-hungarian-government-wants-to-hide.shtml | Mar 18 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Drones Help Transparency Activists To See Things The Hungarian Government Wants To Hide | Techdirt | Mar 18 12:06 | |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 18 12:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/842996187741523969 | Mar 18 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz infestation they say allowed pictures and videos. Now every tweet is an image or video. #sad | Mar 18 12:14 | |
| XRevan86 | > Viktor Orbán, is a self-confessed believer in the "illiberal state," which Wikipedia describes as follows: a governing system in which, although elections take place, citizens are cut off from knowledge about the activities of those who exercise real power because of the lack of civil liberties. It is not an "open society". | Mar 18 12:17 |
| XRevan86 | An honest guy :). | Mar 18 12:17 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/2Bt3LV3.jpg (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/vkMhQ ) | Mar 18 12:41 |
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| MinceR | who? | Mar 18 12:41 |
| MinceR | http://namelesspcs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2017-03-16-TrumpsRealSecret.png | Mar 18 13:04 |
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| MinceR | https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Neonazi_undermentsch.jpg | Mar 18 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-encyclopediadramatica.se | File:Neonazi undermentsch.jpg - Encyclopedia Dramatica | Mar 18 16:21 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 18 16:35 |
| razielle_tzu | hi | Mar 18 16:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, woo twitter | Mar 18 16:40 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 18 16:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah got to twweet some stuff to really | Mar 18 16:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to try and gain interst in things | Mar 18 16:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to do with event | Mar 18 16:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, forgot had already done an account for it | Mar 18 16:42 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 18 16:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but it was just ther ewanting email confimred earlioer so | Mar 18 16:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when going to sucker | Mar 18 16:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | Mar 18 16:42 | |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, if you do enough on social media, might become bigish | Mar 18 16:42 |
| razielle_tzu | true | Mar 18 16:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but mostly just going to re tweet stuff there so eh | Mar 18 16:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | omg ubuntu and such | Mar 18 16:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I can't be obssed with stuff like that like schestowitz | Mar 18 16:44 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to time consuming and uh | Mar 18 16:44 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, tweeting to no followeres, is a little hmm, but how it goes at first I suppouse | Mar 18 16:45 |
| razielle_tzu | i don't have many followers either | Mar 18 16:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, this should build up when we got upcoming event | Mar 18 16:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | a guy been doing a flyer text | Mar 18 16:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but it's not quite right yet | Mar 18 16:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hopeully tommorw | Mar 18 16:48 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 18 16:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | going to run a paid facebook advert for it as well | Mar 18 16:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but for longer this time | Mar 18 16:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | five weeks ? | Mar 18 16:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | or about five weeks | Mar 18 16:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but yes it all relys on the text ! | Mar 18 16:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I don't even have it saying upcoming event on facebook since yeah | Mar 18 16:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yet | Mar 18 16:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | properly | Mar 18 16:48 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/KYA86 | Mar 18 17:16 |
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| cubexyz | there's a certain chaos element to computers | Mar 12 04:08 |
| cubexyz | I have no idea why dosbox sometimes will not run certain games | Mar 12 04:09 |
| cubexyz | and sometimes the game comes up as fullscreen, and sometimes in a window | Mar 12 04:10 |
| cubexyz | you didn't see things like that on a sega genesis | Mar 12 04:11 |
| cubexyz | far less complexity... | Mar 12 04:11 |
| cubexyz | I wonder what would happen running old dos games on the chromebook | Mar 12 04:16 |
| cubexyz | so many things to consider now: scummvm, dosobox, wine, MAME | Mar 12 04:19 |
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| cubexyz | a few years ago I added a Modeline to xorg.conf so 640x400 mode would work on one machine | Mar 12 04:23 |
| cubexyz | one game used it | Mar 12 04:23 |
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| cubexyz | unfortunately the scanning frequency of my CRTs are all in the 30 to 71 kHz range | Mar 12 04:28 |
| cubexyz | at least that's what the manual says | Mar 12 04:28 |
| cubexyz | naturally lower resolutions use lower frequencies | Mar 12 04:29 |
| cubexyz | some of the early NEC multisync monitors could do 15 kHz | Mar 12 04:32 |
| cubexyz | now the interesting thing is, there's LCD NEC Multi-sync monitors | Mar 12 04:34 |
| cubexyz | anyways, the old NEC's could do 15 to 60 kHz | Mar 12 04:35 |
| cubexyz | feels like I've spent the last 20 years or so thinking about getting a 'new' monitor for the amiga :-/ | Mar 12 04:36 |
| cubexyz | no one wants to touch the 1080 | Mar 12 04:37 |
| cubexyz | there's also RGB to S-video, hmmm | Mar 12 04:47 |
| cubexyz | I don't want to try to fix the 1080 either | Mar 12 04:59 |
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| MinceR | btw, mega sucks | Mar 12 11:52 |
| MinceR | (kimdotcom's cancerous page) | Mar 12 11:52 |
| MinceR | downloads for ages, slowing my pc to a crawl, then announces it needs me to register an account to continue | Mar 12 11:52 |
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| MinceR | it ate 2GB of RAM | Mar 12 11:53 |
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| cubexyz | sounds crappy | Mar 12 13:05 |
| cubexyz | I heard kim dotcom lost most of his ill-gotten gains | Mar 12 13:10 |
| MinceR | i keep hearing how he still cheerleads for the nazis | Mar 12 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | [11:53] <MinceR> it ate 2GB of RAM | Mar 12 15:01 |
| schestowitz | yes, it's horrid | Mar 12 15:01 |
| schestowitz | rianne stopped using it | Mar 12 15:01 |
| schestowitz | it didn't even work reliably anmore | Mar 12 15:01 |
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| One_ | The Battistelli system I think the scandal regarding the colleague who produced 63 searches and 20 grants in one month deserves a deeper look into. For anybody who´s ever done a search and an examination it´s clear that 83 products a month (in January) is an impossible achievement. Even if one admits that some of the files were transferred from the previous month, as explained by the director, this is not a remotely credible pe | Mar 12 19:23 |
| One_ | December is a short month and an average of 40 products per month in two consecutive months which include the winter holidays is in the realm of fantasy. Moreover, if a search is started, according to the new regulations, the examiner has ten days for finishing the search, so if one starts treating files in December without finishing them there will be a lot of red-flagged files in January. | Mar 12 19:23 |
| One_ | That should´ve rung a bell for the director who is supposed to keep an eye on timeliness. He should also have known that the respective production was impossible in the given time period. But enquiries of the staff as to the preposterous 83 products a month were brushed aside by the director in those fateful emails in a knee-jerk reaction that shows that nowadays at he EPO production, even unrealistic, is protected from all critic | Mar 12 19:23 |
| One_ | What happened is a compound failure of the examiner and the director, symbolic of the “everything goes” scam system implemented by Battistelli in which production figures are disconnected from quality in spite of the achievements trumpeted by Battistelli in the all too subservient press and his self-serving events. | Mar 12 19:24 |
| One_ | It´s not that quality at all levels is that compromised but the high producer bonus system incentives a low number of greedy examiners to cut corners and attempt to produce a high number of searches and grants regardless of quality in search of the yearly bonus. If Battistelli really wanted to restore a minimum of credibility to the office he should start by ordering the Quality Control Department to carry out an examination of c | Mar 12 19:24 |
| One_ | searches and grants – and make the findings public. Otherwise the EPO will be regarded with even more mistrust and its reputation will continue to sink. Even better, Battistelli should retire (which he will certainly not do of his own will) or the Administrative Council should finally grow a spine (hard to believe either) and decide to oust him and let somebody else restore the credibility of the EPO after the disastruous years | Mar 12 19:24 |
| One_ | disastrous | Mar 12 19:25 |
| One_ | We´ve seen over and over again that dictators are adulated during their reign and accepted even by democratic countries but after their demise all the dirt comes out from under the carpet tainting all those who supported them in the past. There is no reason to believe that Battistelli will suffer a different fate after his departure. A petty wannabe grand dictator who, fortunately for the world, has ended up mistreating only a Eur | Mar 12 19:25 |
| One_ | instead of a whole country. With his own secret service, destroying the lives of the inconvenient staff representation members by firing them, one can only imagine his behaviour, and his opponents´end, had he been the president of a Central Asian or African country. | Mar 12 19:26 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 12 19:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ping | Mar 12 19:27 |
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| razielle_tzu | 'sup SebthreeBQM10HD | Mar 12 19:49 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, in a bit of a interesting situation in a way | Mar 12 19:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | now | Mar 12 19:50 |
| razielle_tzu | oh? | Mar 12 19:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, got two venues for the event again next month, now, but can only go with one of course | Mar 12 19:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yes doing that event again next month | Mar 12 19:50 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Mar 12 19:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, where went before didn't reply untill earlier | Mar 12 19:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I emailed about 9 days ago | Mar 12 19:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, and I found out about a more central place and went on thursdya with my other gorup, so went with some of them there on saturday to see the place etc | Mar 12 19:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and that one is about as central as can get | Mar 12 19:51 |
| razielle_tzu | not bad | Mar 12 19:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, however, got a smaller space there, or as a base | Mar 12 19:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | much smaller base space | Mar 12 19:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and also been given less time offically, but thats also free | Mar 12 19:52 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 12 19:52 |
| razielle_tzu | i use the computer club room for small scale stuff | Mar 12 19:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, its a cofeee house, with a floor up stairs, so can probably move out a bit into it etc as well | Mar 12 19:52 |
| razielle_tzu | one of our sessions coming up is all about back-ups | Mar 12 19:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but at the back of that room, is this small meeting room | Mar 12 19:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, even with a load of marketting on facebook and such its probably still going to be qutie small really | Mar 12 19:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but I am a bit concerned if say 20 or 30 people turn up at the begining | Mar 12 19:53 |
| razielle_tzu | try doing it in villages rather than a town/city | Mar 12 19:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, we can only really have four people demoing things, since the small space | Mar 12 19:53 |
| razielle_tzu | then you'll see small scale :P | Mar 12 19:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the room itself they given us can fit the four demoers, plus a few or so visitors | Mar 12 19:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | 12 people in there at mos I Guess with a squeeze | Mar 12 19:54 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 12 19:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hats visitors or demoers | Mar 12 19:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, or could go with the otehr place, again, same day, longer time, but wtould be at a cost | Mar 12 19:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | thing is sure we had a bigger space, but hardly anyone actsaully came down from up stairs, with the coffee house well usaully students go there to study etc to that floor | Mar 12 19:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | with lap tops and yeah | Mar 12 19:55 |
| razielle_tzu | use whichever you think is more effecient | Mar 12 19:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, so should have some people already outside the room, who should come in for at least a bit of a look I guess | Mar 12 19:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well two of the other organisers think this newer place shoujld be better, since more centraal much more central | Mar 12 19:56 |
| razielle_tzu | you don't have to highlight me every other line | Mar 12 19:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | good cofee apparnatly to | Mar 12 19:56 |
| razielle_tzu | then go with the new place | Mar 12 19:56 |
| razielle_tzu | good drinks is IMPORTANT | Mar 12 19:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | h eh yeah this isn't #ubuntu was just in there a bit so | Mar 12 19:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | a coke was two pounds on Thursday | Mar 12 19:56 |
| razielle_tzu | for a pint of it? | Mar 12 19:56 |
| razielle_tzu | or only half? | Mar 12 19:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | nope a bottle in a glass with ice | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | spilled even | Mar 12 19:57 |
| razielle_tzu | o.O | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | my fruit tea, but a good size was two pounds 10 p | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that all seems a bit pricey to me to be honest | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but I dont tend to go to cofee houses | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | ok now I will, since will be going to this one a lot probably soon with my other group | Mar 12 19:57 |
| razielle_tzu | about £2 for a tea is about right | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | ok but not for a coke ? | Mar 12 19:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well maybe a coke as well | Mar 12 19:58 |
| razielle_tzu | nah, that's overpriced | Mar 12 19:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | in a place like that | Mar 12 19:58 |
| razielle_tzu | a coke should be around £1.50 | Mar 12 19:58 |
| razielle_tzu | unless it's close to a pint | Mar 12 19:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yep that sounds more like it, and maybe this was close toa pint, but probably more like a half or 500 mle bottle so | Mar 12 19:58 |
| razielle_tzu | a 500 ml bottle? definitely should have been closer to £1.50 | Mar 12 19:59 |
| razielle_tzu | at least it would be here :P | Mar 12 19:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah that coke seemed pricey | Mar 12 19:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | for what I actsually got | Mar 12 19:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but did spill some too! | Mar 12 19:59 |
| razielle_tzu | doesn't matter if you spilled some | Mar 12 19:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, on the oweners card machine ! hmm, ok no big deal, they cleared up | Mar 12 20:00 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | didnt no he was the owener at the time to o :d | Mar 12 20:00 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 12 20:00 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | appologized | Mar 12 20:00 |
| razielle_tzu | they're pretty water/fluid resistant usually | Mar 12 20:00 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well knocked it over a bit so | Mar 12 20:00 |
| razielle_tzu | usually bar 2 water resistant iirc | Mar 12 20:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | cajll the mid wife uh no thanks | Mar 12 20:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | i don't wnat to see this | Mar 12 20:01 |
| razielle_tzu | so don't watch it | Mar 12 20:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | someone put on record too | Mar 12 20:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | for my mum I Guess | Mar 12 20:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah about to have to get up to change hcannel or whateer | Mar 12 20:01 |
| razielle_tzu | heh | Mar 12 20:02 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, your meant to like this kind of stuff now :d | Mar 12 20:02 |
| razielle_tzu | i can no longer see the tv properly from my desk so if the sound is annyoing i just put on headphones | Mar 12 20:02 |
| razielle_tzu | i already liked call the midwife though | Mar 12 20:02 |
| razielle_tzu | it's a good show | Mar 12 20:02 |
| razielle_tzu | and based on memoirs of an actual midwife | Mar 12 20:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu well its for women mostly | Mar 12 20:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that kind of stuff | Mar 12 20:03 |
| razielle_tzu | not really | Mar 12 20:03 |
| razielle_tzu | it's just a drama | Mar 12 20:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | custome dramas uh | Mar 12 20:03 |
| razielle_tzu | i know a fwe guys that watch it | Mar 12 20:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | my mum likes them a lot though | Mar 12 20:03 |
| razielle_tzu | i prefer rugby or documentaries | Mar 12 20:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, anyway what happens if hte marketting is good | Mar 12 20:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and we get say 20 people turning up at the cafe | Mar 12 20:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | at the beggining ? | Mar 12 20:04 |
| razielle_tzu | then you're packed from the start | Mar 12 20:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah then our space our base space is too small | Mar 12 20:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | where these people going to go ? into the rest of the floor, where some students were studying? oh its no longer that quiet up there | Mar 12 20:05 |
| *razielle_tzu shrugs | Mar 12 20:05 | |
| razielle_tzu | students will usually put up with a lot at this point in the semester | Mar 12 20:05 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, thats the thing that worrys me a bi, another ugy is like don't worry about it | Mar 12 20:05 |
| razielle_tzu | it's not close enough to deadlines for them to be stressed out that much | Mar 12 20:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | sounded like on the phone, that we could go out into the cafe a bit etc anyway though | Mar 12 20:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but they might wan to bring us back into the bas space more, people back in if, yeah | Mar 12 20:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I had a call with a woman on friday to | Mar 12 20:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I guess its more money for htem thoguh, if we bring them like 20 people | Mar 12 20:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I guess they wioll see it that way | Mar 12 20:07 |
| razielle_tzu | yup | Mar 12 20:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | usaully people order stuff when going to a place like that so | Mar 12 20:07 |
| razielle_tzu | and the students /might/ be interested too | Mar 12 20:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah looked like had quite a few young windows and mac users, there on saturday | Mar 12 20:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, they apparnatly got some of the best wifi there as well if not like the best in a place like that | Mar 12 20:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | direct virgin media box he said basically, and then its not like going through lots of thick walls and such to or whatever he said | Mar 12 20:08 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Mar 12 20:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | where as in the other place, the wifi woudn't be that good | Mar 12 20:08 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Mar 12 20:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, thats the idea though to bring general pbulic in | Mar 12 20:09 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so whoever is there already etc | Mar 12 20:09 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, but going to market htis thig like before well better than before ! | Mar 12 20:09 |
| razielle_tzu | good | Mar 12 20:09 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | got to work on a new flyer text, so we can do flyers next week | Mar 12 20:09 |
| razielle_tzu | are you already posting about it without the posters on social media? | Mar 12 20:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | got to work on new facebook text to, so can start runing a paid add next week to, and untill day of event | Mar 12 20:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | then got people who will put flyers up around city | Mar 12 20:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well mentioend on the facebook page the like feed that an event is coming up a bit, but thats it so far reallly | Mar 12 20:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | its still not saying that a proper upcoming event is coming up soon, but it should realy, I guess can add or change descritpon later anyway, I don't remember quite from before | Mar 12 20:11 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, also I can get it into a loacl magazin hopefully this time, if early enough, and a few linux magazines even | Mar 12 20:11 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, should I mentoin in adveritsing that its a small space though ? | Mar 12 20:12 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | if we get too many its a issue | Mar 12 20:12 |
| razielle_tzu | maybe mention it on any FB posts and stuff but not on the posters/flyers | Mar 12 20:12 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yah the flyers and posters should link to the facebook | Mar 12 20:13 |
| razielle_tzu | can you generate a QR code for the page of the event? (i forget if FB allows that now or not) | Mar 12 20:15 |
| razielle_tzu | if you can stick that on the poster | Mar 12 20:15 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | whats a QR code ? | Mar 12 20:15 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, oh and is it ok showing a ubuntu tablet, with a few cracks here and there on the front at event, or should I have my guy really fix it for me, for like 50 pounds too | Mar 12 20:18 |
| razielle_tzu | if it's for demoing things i'd get it fixed.. | Mar 12 20:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah I guess it looks a bit bad, oh techei guy, and hes got some dmage on his tablet ! | Mar 12 20:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well its my main device now | Mar 12 20:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that and my ubuntu phone | Mar 12 20:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, its like a crack going across the screen on thecenre to right top | Mar 12 20:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and some stuf on the bezel some damgae there to | Mar 12 20:20 |
| razielle_tzu | get it fixed or use something else as a demo piece | Mar 12 20:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well I only got one ubuntu tablet | Mar 12 20:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so | Mar 12 20:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I hadn't got rid of some of my perosnal stuff in time yestrday so didn't give then | Mar 12 20:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but in like two weeks I should relaly | Mar 12 20:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when should be meeting again etc | Mar 12 20:21 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 12 20:22 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, factory re set it, and he can have he code this time to fix screen even | Mar 12 20:22 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to test screen better | Mar 12 20:22 |
| razielle_tzu | good idea, personally i'd do it myself but yeah... not everyone is up for that | Mar 12 20:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, fixing a tablet? | Mar 12 20:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I got onto a guide thing the toher week | Mar 12 20:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but yeah thers this and that invovled and glueing etc | Mar 12 20:25 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Mar 12 20:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and then yep can replace a screen | Mar 12 20:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and so on | Mar 12 20:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the outter glass | Mar 12 20:25 |
| razielle_tzu | i've rebuilt a few android phones, tablets and of course actual computers over the years but never just replacing glass | Mar 12 20:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | same with him | Mar 12 20:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | he has a business doing this kind of stuff | Mar 12 20:26 |
| razielle_tzu | i've had to do the entire digitizer though | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well its a just him business | Mar 12 20:26 |
| razielle_tzu | i do it freelance, nothing official | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yes he replaced the digitizer when I gave him my i pad air back in like december | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that he had lareayd fixed one before | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | fell again dogs etc | Mar 12 20:26 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when it fell | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the side went off though | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | down the side | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | makes me wonder how good his job really was ! | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, hence being a bit reluctant to just give him this ubuntu tablet to fix as well | Mar 12 20:27 |
| razielle_tzu | ipads are a bitch to do properly if you're not in an apple repair shop | Mar 12 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but uhmm | Mar 12 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, why since non standard parts ? | Mar 12 20:27 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Mar 12 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I guess a bq table should be easier then | Mar 12 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | since its just a andorid tablet really | Mar 12 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I just happen to have it with other software instead thats all | Mar 12 20:27 |
| razielle_tzu | yup | Mar 12 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but yeah for the ipad he probably got some part off ebaby or wahtever | Mar 12 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | in fact I think he did | Mar 12 20:28 |
| razielle_tzu | i would have too | Mar 12 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | now then a linux lap top case | Mar 12 20:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | theres a sale toil mid night on some site zabble whatever it was | Mar 12 20:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | they got unoffical mageia t-shirts and such too | Mar 12 20:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, my hp case is some where but the zip is borken really | Mar 12 20:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | would be nice to bring my lap top along next time, in a linuxey case as well I am thinking | Mar 12 20:30 |
| razielle_tzu | any laptop case can be turned to a linuxy one with stickers and drawings | Mar 12 20:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | think I got a big enough bag now as well to possibly, put in a 15 inch lap top, plus remix os ultra table, and ubuntu tablet, without having to worry too much but hmm | Mar 12 20:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well yeah true can put stickers on things | Mar 12 20:31 |
| razielle_tzu | or if you're good at it and patient... embroidery with logos and stuff | Mar 12 20:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I think thts what tthey done | Mar 12 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | put some logo on some already exisitng case probably | Mar 12 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | then selling that | Mar 12 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I don't have as much money currently for things since ah! | Mar 12 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, but got money back on pay pal that was nice | Mar 12 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | only some but yeah | Mar 12 20:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | actsually 81 pounds is quite a bit | Mar 12 20:33 |
| razielle_tzu | i don't even have that right now | Mar 12 20:33 |
| razielle_tzu | until friday anyway | Mar 12 20:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | what do you mean? | Mar 12 20:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, they cut your money too? | Mar 12 20:34 |
| razielle_tzu | nah, just overspent due to unexpected changes to direct debits | Mar 12 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | oh | Mar 12 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, pm me | Mar 12 20:35 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: urgent | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I need help | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | got a link re | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | upc prediction for march 7th? | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I am going to show how their predictions are BS | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ping pint | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | *ping ping | Mar 12 20:40 |
| razielle_tzu | a pint sounds good though schestowitz | Mar 12 20:42 |
| schestowitz | cheers mate | Mar 12 20:47 |
| razielle_tzu | :) | Mar 12 20:47 |
| razielle_tzu | what you having? | Mar 12 20:48 |
| razielle_tzu | bitter, ale, lager, stout? | Mar 12 20:50 |
| razielle_tzu | :P | Mar 12 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Hate them all | Mar 12 20:52 |
| schestowitz | I prefer cider, not as fattening either | Mar 12 20:52 |
| razielle_tzu | fair enough | Mar 12 20:52 |
| razielle_tzu | i like ales and bitters but prefer wines and spirits atm | Mar 12 20:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz razielle_tzu I like cider | Mar 12 20:54 |
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| cubexyz | can't believe how cold it was yesterday | Mar 12 22:28 |
| cubexyz | -15 C | Mar 12 22:28 |
| schestowitz | wow | Mar 12 23:32 |
| schestowitz | it's warn here | Mar 12 23:32 |
| schestowitz | almost 15 daytime | Mar 12 23:32 |
| schestowitz | abotu 13 | Mar 12 23:32 |
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| cubexyz | just realized Bell can delete recordings on my PVR at will :-/ | Mar 13 00:30 |
| cubexyz | it's a crap system | Mar 13 00:31 |
| cubexyz | I think it prioritizes new recordings over old ones actually | Mar 13 00:31 |
| cubexyz | so if you don't have enough space, the oldest recordings disappear | Mar 13 00:32 |
| cubexyz | it's just ext2 partition inside so I should be able to just pop the drive out and back up everything | Mar 13 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | if you are not in control of the program, then the device controls you | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | or enables some company to dominate 'your' gear | Mar 13 01:21 |
| cubexyz | I'm gathering more data on this | Mar 13 01:24 |
| cubexyz | I have a list of hard drives that will work on the Bell 9241 PVR | Mar 13 01:25 |
| cubexyz | the PVR's firmware is keyed to only work with certain hard drives... | Mar 13 01:25 |
| cubexyz | I assume Bell will switch to SSD's (or are currently switching to SSD) | Mar 13 01:27 |
| cubexyz | although hard drives are cheaper so... they may only care about maximizing $$$ | Mar 13 01:28 |
| cubexyz | seems to work off 320 gig drives | Mar 13 01:32 |
| cubexyz | larger drives don't seem to add to capacity (still limited to 320 gig) | Mar 13 01:32 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, if you're around.... | Mar 13 07:41 |
| cubexyz | have you any experience with intersecting wifi fields? | Mar 13 07:41 |
| cubexyz | I'm thinking of running 2.4 ghz with 5 ghz in the same house | Mar 13 07:42 |
| cubexyz | no idea if it will be a problem or not | Mar 13 07:42 |
| cubexyz | I seem to remember wave interference in physics class | Mar 13 07:43 |
| cubexyz | of course I don't really much now :-/ | Mar 13 07:43 |
| cubexyz | remember much | Mar 13 07:43 |
| cubexyz | they talk about channels... | Mar 13 07:46 |
| cubexyz | e.g. 2.4 ghz wifi has 14 channels | Mar 13 07:46 |
| cubexyz | did you know lead paint can be a problem? | Mar 13 07:48 |
| cubexyz | it shields the radio signals | Mar 13 07:48 |
| cubexyz | the new stuff like 802.11ac uses 5 ghz exclusively | Mar 13 07:50 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I am in a house with iron in the brickwork. That messes with anything wifi you attempt to use. | Mar 13 07:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: using 2.4ghz and 5ghz at the same time in wifi is normally ok | Mar 13 07:54 |
| cubexyz | ok, good | Mar 13 07:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: lead paint don't think that would effected it much. Lead is not exactly the best thing in the world to block radio signals with. | Mar 13 07:55 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Lead it not the best thing in 2.4 or 5ghz signal zones. And lead paint is not that strong in lead. | Mar 13 07:57 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: lead sheet would be another matter. | Mar 13 07:57 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: biggest issue with wifi is if you have stacks of other people around you using it. | Mar 13 08:00 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: the bricks here used a iron oxide for the red colour. Those are true nightmares for wifi. | Mar 13 08:01 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ODjIZwW.gifv | Mar 13 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Remember to "Stroke" it. | Mar 13 18:55 | |
| schestowitz | weird | Mar 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | real video? | Mar 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Or modified? | Mar 13 19:26 |
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| MinceR | modified | Mar 13 19:43 |
| MinceR | the joke was pretty much the same, but with different texts | Mar 13 19:43 |
| MinceR | comments have a link to the original version | Mar 13 19:43 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/oLoQd | Mar 13 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: wtf? | Mar 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | not sure who I feel worse for... | Mar 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | child abuse of animal abuse | Mar 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | maybe daddy was a butcher | Mar 13 20:42 |
| MinceR | re which pic? | Mar 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | the one which looks like sheep or pig | Mar 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | with a baby in it | Mar 13 20:44 |
| MinceR | i doubt that animal feels anything at that point | Mar 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NTechlibre/status/841394608277970944 | Mar 13 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NTechlibre: @zoobab @schestowitz They use the troll money to buy WAPO embedded ads, it appears. | Mar 13 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | (qualcomm) | Mar 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LeftiesExposed/status/841398326952108032 https://twitter.com/atSwell/status/841398417913966592 | Mar 13 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LeftiesExposed: @schestowitz @ManUtd errrr there are no replays. | Mar 13 21:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@atSwell: @schestowitz @ManUtd There's no replay 😂 | Mar 13 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | Oh, my bad. Not good. | Mar 13 21:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_nickwebber/status/841398444233224192 | Mar 13 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_nickwebber: @schestowitz @ManUtd they're doing a new rule where they do extra time and pens now | Mar 13 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I didn't know | Mar 13 21:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841403688509947904 | Mar 13 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz @ManUtd And @paulpogba | Mar 13 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | He doesn't seem to do much. | Mar 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841404439588147202 | Mar 13 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz @ManUtd @paulpogba He can't do much. And that's that! | Mar 13 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | More haircuts than assists and goals | Mar 13 21:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MattAnsell3/status/841405169480925185 | Mar 13 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MattAnsell3: @schestowitz @ManUtd and Paul pogba | Mar 13 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ajipson10/status/841405377111588864 | Mar 13 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ajipson10: @schestowitz @TheKenroyJacobs @ManUtd @paulpogba he always flop in big matches.... | Mar 13 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | At least he didn't cost 0.1 billion pounds or something... | Mar 13 21:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841405673229414401 | Mar 13 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @Ajipson10 @schestowitz @ManUtd @paulpogba It's a sad sad situation. | Mar 13 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841406356968087555 | Mar 13 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz @Ajipson10 @ManUtd @paulpogba T shirt sales basically | Mar 13 21:52 | |
| schestowitz | Time for for United to focus on winning the Europa League & getting top 4 position for CL next week. Both doable | Mar 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841407879957626882 | Mar 13 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz They'll need to win the @EuropaLeague. They aren't finishing fourth. | Mar 13 21:58 | |
| schestowitz | very close to Arsenal and Liv, which have had a spotty record of late | Mar 13 21:58 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/ThkHA | Mar 13 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841408446620696577 | Mar 13 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz With performances like tonight and the kind of fixtures coming up. I doubt it. | Mar 13 22:01 | |
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| agent725 | Hello all! | Mar 14 08:49 |
| agent725 | While reading LXER I stumbled on an article by schestowitz about Microsoft. | Mar 14 08:49 |
| agent725 | So I decided to drop in for a chat. | Mar 14 08:50 |
| agent725 | I'm founder of the Internet of Coins project. What has me a bit worried is the fact that the Linux foundation is doing a blockchain project called Hyperledger, but that Microsoft had earlier joined the Linux foundation. | Mar 14 08:52 |
| agent725 | Soon payment standards will be influenced by MS. Not something I'm particularly looking forward to. | Mar 14 08:52 |
| agent725 | Source: http://thehackernews.com/2016/11/microsoft-linux-foundation.html | Mar 14 08:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Microsoft Joins The Linux Foundation — Turns Love Affair Into a Relationship [ http://ur1.ca/qmw3l ] | Mar 14 08:55 | |
| agent725 | Our project: https://coinstorm.net | Mar 14 08:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coinstorm.net | Internet of Coins | Mar 14 08:55 | |
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| oiaohm | http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ioquake3-Security-Update old software causing strangeness. | Mar 14 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | [08:52] <agent725> Soon payment standards will be influenced by MS. Not something I'm particularly looking forward to. | Mar 14 09:25 |
| schestowitz | yes, not surprising | Mar 14 09:25 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft had earlier joined the Linux foundation." | Mar 14 09:25 |
| schestowitz | I'd say, Linux Foundation joined Microsoft :-) | Mar 14 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Joined the b0rg | Mar 14 09:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not too shocking | Mar 14 09:25 |
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| schestowitz | "[use the png, if you like]" | Mar 14 09:31 |
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| MinceR | 14 102526 < schestowitz> I'd say, Linux Foundation joined Microsoft :-) | Mar 14 15:36 |
| MinceR | this | Mar 14 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: :) | Mar 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | iophk came up with it, iirc | Mar 14 18:49 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/LclGBFw.gifv (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/NC17a ) | Mar 14 20:04 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/thoughtland/status/841190579333660673 | Mar 14 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@thoughtland: Liam Fox: "I didn't tweet that". While sitting in front of it (here it is: https://t.co/t0B7iao5X0) https://t.co/Lnetd2X9mm Gormless. | Mar 14 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LiamFoxMP: "The United Kingdom, is one of the few countries in the European Union that does not need to bury its 20th century history" #scc16 | Mar 14 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AngrySalmond: Liam Fox denies sending controversial tweet while sitting in front of a giant picture of it. https://t.co/TARGC0qLgu | Mar 14 20:29 | |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/t4Jr9qO.jpg | Mar 14 20:38 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/BhysDJb.jpg | Mar 14 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | I say "soda" when I mean "soda". | Mar 14 21:34 |
| MinceR | NaOH? | Mar 14 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: NaHCO3 | Mar 14 21:35 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 21:35 |
| MinceR | i tend to use the actual brand names | Mar 14 21:35 |
| MinceR | i'd have to think what i'd refer to them as in general | Mar 14 21:35 |
| MinceR | probably "carbonated drinks" or something like that | Mar 14 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I wouldn't advise drinking NaHCO3'd drinks %). | Mar 14 21:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 21:36 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't advise drinking drinks with a significant amount of NaOH in themeither | Mar 14 21:37 |
| MinceR | s/eme/em e/ | Mar 14 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, it's all variations of sodium. | Mar 14 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | Food soda is NaHCO3, so that's the most commonly referred one. | Mar 14 21:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | I'm really not sure why would anyone call CO2-enriched drinks "soda". | Mar 14 21:39 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 14 21:39 |
| MinceR | i'm also not sure why anyone would call non-coke soft drinks "coke" | Mar 14 21:40 |
| MinceR | and yet... | Mar 14 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe it's like coke to them. | Mar 14 21:40 |
| MinceR | (javascript) http://popvssoda.com/ | Mar 14 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popvssoda.com | The Pop vs. Soda Page | Mar 14 21:40 | |
| XRevan86 | Some very old-school Russians call them "lemonade" :). | Mar 14 21:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | Haven't heard that in a while but it was around. | Mar 14 21:42 |
| MinceR | someone even calls them "horse salive" | Mar 14 21:42 |
| MinceR | s/ive/iva/ | Mar 14 21:42 |
| MinceR | (it's one word in hungarian, though) | Mar 14 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Is there a thing with saliva in Hungary? :) | Mar 14 21:43 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 14 21:43 |
| MinceR | if you mean a drink that contains that, most likely not | Mar 14 21:43 |
| MinceR | it's just people's disdain for something that doesn't harm you that much | Mar 14 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, if such an idiom came to be then maybe there's something to it. | Mar 14 21:43 |
| MinceR | because it doesn't contain any organic solvents | Mar 14 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not sure what you mean. | Mar 14 21:45 |
| MinceR | ethanol | Mar 14 21:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah. | Mar 14 21:45 |
| MinceR | self-harm is expected of all "adult"s | Mar 14 21:46 |
| MinceR | the "other" answers on popvssoda.com are mostly random crap :D | Mar 14 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | I usually don't drink pop/soda/etc drinks, preferring tea or juice. | Mar 14 21:47 |
| MinceR | same for me | Mar 14 21:47 |
| MinceR | or filtered tap water | Mar 14 21:47 |
| MinceR | or uncarbonated mineral/spring water | Mar 14 21:47 |
| MinceR | or (more rarely) coffee | Mar 14 21:48 |
| XRevan86 | carbonated water is the worst for my taste | Mar 14 21:48 |
| MinceR | yeah, i don't like that either | Mar 14 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if people tend to count kvass as pop/soda :). | Mar 14 21:50 |
| MinceR | though it does manage to quench my thirst, surprisingly :> | Mar 14 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | (kvass selled in shops is CO2'd) | Mar 14 21:50 |
| MinceR | i'm guessing russians don't and others do | Mar 14 21:50 |
| MinceR | (since it has a low level of ethanol in it) | Mar 14 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | Having a low level of ethanol has an effect on being counted as pop/soda? :) | Mar 14 21:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-14232970 | Mar 14 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russia classifies beer as alcoholic - BBC News | Mar 14 21:53 | |
| MinceR | apparently it was changed a few years ago | Mar 14 21:53 |
| XRevan86 | Well, beer is alcoholic. | Mar 14 21:54 |
| MinceR | yes, but it wasn't classified as such in russia until 2011 | Mar 14 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I didn't know that %). | Mar 14 21:54 |
| MinceR | i only seemed to recall because i saw one of the reports on this | Mar 14 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | Kvass is not considered alcoholic. I was wondering if pop/soda can only be a big branded thing like cola and stuff. | Mar 14 21:55 |
| MinceR | well, there are small cola brands | Mar 14 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | By the definition of being CO2'd it is that :). | Mar 14 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If I'm telling somebody I'm drinking pop and then say it's specifically Baikal, will that be in any way unexpected? %) | Mar 14 21:59 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 14 21:59 |
| MinceR | apparently even usians are sometimes unaware of the soft drink terminology being different in other parts of the usa | Mar 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/9772801/Beer-to-become-alcohol-in-Russia-on-New-Years-Day.html | Mar 14 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Beer to become 'alcohol' in Russia on New Year's Day - Telegraph | Mar 14 22:01 | |
| XRevan86 | Does that mean kids could buy beer before 2011?… | Mar 14 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | This is hard to believe. | Mar 14 22:01 |
| MinceR | i suspect it does | Mar 14 22:01 |
| MinceR | but i don't live in russia and i'm not a lawyer :> | Mar 14 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | And I never tried %). | Mar 14 22:01 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/zklvI6L.jpg | Mar 14 22:05 |
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| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/1807/ | Mar 14 23:24 |
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| Discoman | Good morning | Mar 15 05:47 |
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| lnicopl | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juNAzuE3M1M | Mar 15 06:03 |
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| gde33 | https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5zhtk8/i_make_a_fake_news_aggregator_so_you_dont_have_to | Mar 15 07:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I make a "Fake news" aggregator so you don't have to : The_Donald | Mar 15 07:06 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 15 07:42 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: weird | Mar 15 08:49 |
| schestowitz | the faces thing | Mar 15 08:50 |
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| MinceR | it's a face swap between a human and a resuscitation practice dummy | Mar 15 10:59 |
| MinceR | the human has a pretty unrealistic face though :> | Mar 15 11:00 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/80c67eG.jpg | Mar 15 11:12 |
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| MinceR | https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/15/theresa-may-dragging-uk-under-scotland-must-cut-rope | Mar 15 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Theresa May is dragging the UK under. This time Scotland must cut the rope | George Monbiot | Opinion | The Guardian | Mar 15 11:35 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/9SdnfsP.jpg | Mar 15 12:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 15 12:15 |
| schestowitz | x http://www.pcworld.com/article/3179675/windows/microsoft-teams-what-to-expect-if-your-company-switches.html | Mar 15 12:15 |
| schestowitz | what to expect? expect failure and expense. | Mar 15 12:15 |
| schestowitz | - | Mar 15 12:15 |
| schestowitz | x http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3006487/microsoft-teams-slack-wannabe-now-available-to-all-office-365-users | Mar 15 12:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Teams: What to expect if your company switches | PCWorld | Mar 15 12:15 | |
| schestowitz | - | Mar 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | x https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/microsofts-teams-is-an-almost-excellent-slack-killer-and-its-now-live-for-o365/ | Mar 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | lots of spam for their attack on IRC (aka Slack) | Mar 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | - | Mar 15 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net | Microsoft Teams: Slack wannabe now available to all Office 365 users | TheINQUIRER | Mar 15 12:16 | |
| schestowitz | x http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/14/14920892/microsoft-teams-interview-behind-the-scenes-slack-competition | Mar 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | time to point out, again, that it is gunning for IRC | Mar 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 15 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft’s Teams is almost an excellent Slack-killer, and it’s now live for O365 | Ars Technica | Mar 15 12:16 | |
| schestowitz | So much MS spam... | Mar 15 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | How Microsoft built its Slack competitor - The Verge | Mar 15 12:16 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: context might make it funnier | Mar 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | maybe someone saying Microsoft is still evil | Mar 15 12:16 |
| zoobab | hi | Mar 15 13:06 |
| zoobab | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/841984920113315840 | Mar 15 13:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: Some ways in which the UK might get round its UPC CJEU problem are clearly identifiable here. https://t.co/0WhAlKM8Ap | Mar 15 13:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.lawgazette.co.uk | CJEU will be kept out of new patent regime, legal academics say | News | Law Society Gazette | Mar 15 13:07 | |
| zoobab | https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/cjeu-will-be-kept-out-of-new-patent-regime-legal-academics-say/5060225.article | Mar 15 13:07 |
| MinceR | http://zenpencils.com/comic/spirit/ | Mar 15 13:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zenpencils.com | ZEN PENCILS » 186. My spirit is a roaring sea | Mar 15 13:28 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: hi | Mar 15 13:46 |
| schestowitz | thanks, saw that, responded | Mar 15 13:46 |
| schestowitz | not sure why he wrote such an article | Mar 15 13:46 |
| schestowitz | and it's hard to say what he ISN'T covering about this event | Mar 15 13:47 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://techrights.org/2017/03/15/unitary-patent-news-is-fake/ | Mar 15 13:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Examples of Fake News About the Unitary Patent (UPC), Courtesy of Patent Law Firms Looking to Prey on Gullible SMEs | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/qn4ov ] | Mar 15 13:48 | |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/eYTBvRU.gifv | Mar 15 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: that Tube video is incredible | Mar 15 20:08 |
| schestowitz | i wonder which staions there are | Mar 15 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Cannot be too far apart | Mar 15 20:08 |
| MinceR | the front of one is shown, that might be easy to identify | Mar 15 20:09 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/wqmykwd.gifv (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/WVl8B ) | Mar 15 20:20 |
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| MinceR | (possibly unsettling imagery) http://i.imgur.com/Ny3dNvO.gifv | Mar 15 22:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Jim Beam is helping | Mar 15 22:38 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: WTF | Mar 15 22:39 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 15 22:39 |
| *XRevan86 is unsettled. | Mar 15 22:39 | |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 15 22:40 |
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| cubexyz | what do they mean by "slack killer"? | Mar 16 02:25 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 16 08:06 |
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| razielle_tzu | hai SebthreeBQM10HD | Mar 16 09:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, hi | Mar 16 09:37 |
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| DaemonFC | So, there's two new things going on with Windows 10 that caught my attention. | Mar 16 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | The first thing is that there's a nag screen in the April update that warns you about installing a local software package. Spooky language designed to make you feel like you're certainly going to get malware if you do. | Mar 16 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | The Win32 API is still fully available to apps in the Windows Store, but Microsoft has ultimate say over what's there and has the same "commission" of 30% that Apple takes. | Mar 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | hi DaemonFC | Mar 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I want to show you something | Mar 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/842431338502213633 | Mar 16 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: When Windows 10 ( #Vista10) does things without so much as a by-your-leave. https://t.co/SB6BPd3BwF https://t.co/bPyYmfcuLe | Mar 16 18:10 | |
| DaemonFC | I have a feeling that the "choice" to disable the nag screen or click through it is transitioning for a mandatory Windows Store later. | Mar 16 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: Absolutely the last OS one should run when a quick restart is required. It never even asked if I wanted to update.… https://t.co/SnLRM4OXi9 | Mar 16 18:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: When Windows 10 ( #Vista10) does things without so much as a by-your-leave. https://t.co/SB6BPd3BwF https://t.co/bPyYmfcuLe | Mar 16 18:10 | |
| schestowitz | This was posted a short while ago | Mar 16 18:10 |
| schestowitz | mind the tag | Mar 16 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Then, they have a new update scheduling mechanism that says "Windows is a service and to keep getting this service, you are required to install updates.". | Mar 16 18:10 |
| cubexyz | you have no control... | Mar 16 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's no longer an operating system. It's a "service". | Mar 16 18:10 |
| cubexyz | just like with modern PVRs | Mar 16 18:10 |
| schestowitz | or some routers from an ISP | Mar 16 18:11 |
| schestowitz | like BT's | Mar 16 18:11 |
| schestowitz | but DaemonFC | Mar 16 18:11 |
| schestowitz | see the above | Mar 16 18:11 |
| schestowitz | is this related to it? | Mar 16 18:11 |
| schestowitz | MS imposing its 'free' upgrade again | Mar 16 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, there is no option to shut down or restart without upgrading if an upgrade is available. | Mar 16 18:11 |
| cubexyz | I own my own DSL modem and router though | Mar 16 18:11 |
| cubexyz | and use Toronto Free-net... so I do have quite a lot of control | Mar 16 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | It spends a lot of time installing it, and it's painful even if you have a really fast SSD. | Mar 16 18:12 |
| cubexyz | well everybody I've talked to disliked win10 | Mar 16 18:12 |
| schestowitz | but are they pushing people to Vista10? | Mar 16 18:12 |
| cubexyz | that says enough for me | Mar 16 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Or is this for existing useds [sic]? | Mar 16 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | There's some practical advantages to forced upgrades, but that still doesn't make them right, and Microsoft will use them to slip in poison pills that people would've just rejected before. | Mar 16 18:13 |
| schestowitz | obviously | Mar 16 18:13 |
| schestowitz | google does this too | Mar 16 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, No, they stopped the nags for earlier Windows versions when the free upgrade offer expired. | Mar 16 18:13 |
| schestowitz | I guess it makes Microsoft feel like, "hey, if Google does it..." | Mar 16 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | But the free upgrade never went away, really. | Mar 16 18:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ok | Mar 16 18:13 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-botch-up.txt | Mar 16 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | You can still go to a web page and say "I need this update because I use accessibility features." | Mar 16 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | They never check to see if you do, it just generates an upgrade license then and there and doesn't bill you anything. | Mar 16 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | So, they left the back door to free upgrades open. The official end was to stop them from trickling off and having news articles saying that they couldn't even give it away after several months. | Mar 16 18:14 |
| cubexyz | I'd never run a non-FOSS OS | Mar 16 18:15 |
| cubexyz | even non-FOSS BIOS is a bit dubious | Mar 16 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 and 8.1 have a new upgrade system though, and it works like Windows 10. | Mar 16 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | The only way to avoid it is to install a clean copy and then all the updates up until the point where the new upgrade system was available, and then you're basically running Windows 7 with no security patches past last year. | Mar 16 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | So, MSFT did this to make people who were conservative about what updates to install say "Screw it. Might as well use Windows 10.". | Mar 16 18:17 |
| schestowitz | more enterprises will look at alternatives | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | inc crhome os I guess | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | it's malware too, but based on FOSS | Mar 16 18:18 |
| cubexyz | it's really happening now | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | and WIndows is even worse malware | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | see market share stats | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Windows at 37% for Web traffic | Mar 16 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | MSFT can't get updates to be reliable because they are not Apple. Apple has this thing where they only ever really support maybe 30-35 configurations of Macs at once. | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | and they'd have you believe 95%+ | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | (they=Microsoft) | Mar 16 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | Once they're over 3-4 years old, you go into the store to have it worked on and the employees actually shame you for having something "that old". | Mar 16 18:19 |
| cubexyz | ha | Mar 16 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, other options, which is one of the reasons I went after Lenovo so aggressively. | Mar 16 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | What if MSFT cuts off Lenovo laptops from new updates in 4-5 years, but your computer is still going to work for another 4-5 years? | Mar 16 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | If it can't run another OS, that's a computer in the garbage that was only middle-aged, mechanically. | Mar 16 18:20 |
| cubexyz | one of my customers likes to brag about his TV from 1972 :) | Mar 16 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | It also gives people an out if Windows becomes intolerable for them. | Mar 16 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Well, old drivers eventually get removed from Linux too, but by the time even Fedora starts dropping them, they're like 10-12 years old and haven't been properly maintained in a while. | Mar 16 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously, you can just use CentOS or Ubuntu LTS and milk a few more years past that if you really want to. | Mar 16 18:22 |
| cubexyz | I still run FC1 24/7 | Mar 16 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Intel has not been particularly forthcoming about how their newer hardware works. | Mar 16 18:22 |
| cubexyz | augmented of course :) | Mar 16 18:22 |
| cubexyz | which drivers has linux retired? | Mar 16 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | They released documentation about the RAID controller on the Skylake/Kaby Lake platform, as spillover from my fight with Lenovo. | Mar 16 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Old 3dFX stuff. Really old Intel integrated graphics from like 2003. | Mar 16 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What really pisses me off is how politically correct and non-offensive the kernel maintainers tend to be. To the point where it's offensively non-offensive. | Mar 16 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | Like, they were moaning about not getting that documentation and stuff for an entire YEAR and then I ruffle some feathers and Intel releases that and driver code a few weeks later. | Mar 16 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | Then MJG goes back to saying it was really the fault of the Linux maintainers for not supporting something that was 100% secret. | Mar 16 18:25 |
| cubexyz | Torvalds isn't non-offensive :) | Mar 16 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | How could they support something that has almost a hundred pages of documents that are basically classified by Intel? | Mar 16 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | The only other way I can see them doing it is maybe if one of them buys the product and then spends months or even a year reverse engineering it just for the hell of it because it amuses them, getting things wrong the entire way, and then maybe you get a driver that has data corrupting bugs in it. | Mar 16 18:27 |
| MinceR | 16 191002 < DaemonFC> I have a feeling that the "choice" to disable the nag screen or click through it is transitioning for a mandatory Windows Store later. | Mar 16 18:28 |
| MinceR | macos is doing the same | Mar 16 18:28 |
| MinceR | https://forums.xonotic.org/showthread.php?tid=6748 | Mar 16 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.xonotic.org | macOS Sierra: -basedir /path/to/game | Mar 16 18:28 | |
| MinceR | breaking applications that don't pay the tax | Mar 16 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | Interacting with the storage controller is something that you really have to get right or else people who go to use that driver might have data corruption at any time or place. | Mar 16 18:28 |
| cubexyz | 2.4.22 still had 3dfx driver I think | Mar 16 18:28 |
| cubexyz | never used it myself though | Mar 16 18:28 |
| MinceR | i'd like to not hate winblows and macos so much, but it's impossible when they keep pulling shit like this | Mar 16 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, tdfx driver was still in the 3.x branch up to a point. | Mar 16 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | Not sure when the kernel dropped it. I think Fedora 20 did, but it was still in the mainline kernel at that point. | Mar 16 18:29 |
| cubexyz | on really old hardware I'd just use old software (usually) | Mar 16 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | 3dfx is really bad hardware though. | Mar 16 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | It never had a full hardware implementation of any level of OpenGL. | Mar 16 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | It supported a small subset that could be implemented in late 90s consumer graphics cards. | Mar 16 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | That pared down API was called Glide. | Mar 16 18:30 |
| cubexyz | I think 3dfx interactive went defunct long ago... 2002 I think | Mar 16 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | It did. Nvidia bought them. | Mar 16 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | No, the hardware never even had a Windows XP driver. | Mar 16 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | None of it did. The Windows XP support was available through a BETA driver that leaked that was intended for Windows 2000. | Mar 16 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | The 3dfx cards used a pass through system that made use of onboard graphics as a framebuffer. That's what you were actually using when you weren't using an application that used Glide or (really awful) DirectX support (in the beta driver near the end of life). | Mar 16 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | The cards had no accelerated 2D graphics support. | Mar 16 18:33 |
| cubexyz | Riva TNT2 is the oldest card I still use, not counting the 486 which isn't really working now | Mar 16 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | Man, I got totally blindsided by that stock rally after the Fed RAISED rates. | Mar 16 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | That's just so counterintuitive that it simply can't go on. | Mar 16 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | It's no longer reacting based on reality. The US stock market is now a cult of personality responding to conservatives dumping huge amounts of money into it because they like Donald Trump. | Mar 16 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | The problem is that reality has to happen sooner or later, and all of this money that is pouring in now will pour out/vanish at some point relatively quickly (a matter of days). | Mar 16 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | I see a recession of some kind happening within the next 6-12 months. | Mar 16 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | I sold all of our stocks on March 1st at their all time high and purchased government debt to hold on for a while. | Mar 16 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | My hope is that while investors are throwing themselves out and turning into pavement pizza, that at least our gains are preserved. | Mar 16 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'll buy back into the market after the crash. The rest of the central banks in the world seem to have taken a lesson from Japan that deflationary recessions are something to be avoided at all costs. | Mar 16 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | This stupid Thrift Savings Plan forces me to put fully a quarter of my investments into stocks in Japan if I want to get into international markets. | Mar 16 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | The upside to it is that we get access to a bond fund that pays out the interest rate on the ten year US Treasury Note and matures every day, so I can get the money back out whenever I want. | Mar 16 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | The downside is that the Republicans are controlling the entire government now and there's no evidence that they'll respond to a crisis. They have a history of not only bringing about recessions, but also sitting there doing nothing while things get worse. | Mar 16 18:46 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/934hfAo.gifv | Mar 16 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Droids interrupt Darth Vader Interview | Mar 16 18:49 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/cOUGAu5.gifv | Mar 16 19:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | flight of the sugar glider | Mar 16 19:01 | |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/842422435374866432?ref_src=twsrc^tfw | Mar 16 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NatashaBertrand: Mike Flynn was paid 11k to work for a Russian cybersecurity company while he still had top-secret level security cl… https://t.co/dJiWBbnXIQ | Mar 16 19:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NatashaBertrand: Mike Flynn was paid 11k to work for a Russian cybersecurity company while he still had top-secret level security cl… https://t.co/dJiWBbnXIQ | Mar 16 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: wow | Mar 16 19:30 |
| cubexyz | I got two wifis now :) | Mar 16 19:53 |
| cubexyz | seems to work OK | Mar 16 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I read that as wives | Mar 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe you ARE a little Amish after all :-) | Mar 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to repair and reuse an old tablet right now | Mar 16 19:56 |
| cubexyz | hurray for repairing :) | Mar 16 20:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fortune - Album on Imgur | Mar 16 20:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, John got some passengers coming through the airport with state IDs with no picture on them. | Mar 16 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Amish.... | Mar 16 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | They had to get extra screening because of it. | Mar 16 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/16/investing/wells-fargo-gender-gap-bank/index.html | Mar 16 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com | Women financial advisers at Wells Fargo 27% more likely to lose their job: study - Mar. 16, 2017 | Mar 16 21:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This had to be a repost, but I've only just seen it... - Album on Imgur | Mar 16 21:56 | |
| MinceR | http://img.memecdn.com/leopard-got-style_o_811034.jpg | Mar 16 22:04 |
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| patentaki | Like...his greek tyrant friend Serafeim Stasinos- used to "represent" greece in the Finance nd Budget Comittee of EPO, while in his country had no insitutional position!!!! just by being Beny's friend | Mar 17 09:23 |
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| schestowitz | Dutch Parl cites not one but TWO (out of a total of 3) El Reg articles (English text): The EPO's Abuses and Claims of Immunity From Prosecution Increasingly Fracture the Dutch Establishment http://techrights.org/2017/03/17/dutch-epo-immunity/ | Mar 17 15:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Abuses and Claims of Immunity From Prosecution Increasingly Fracture the Dutch Establishment | Techrights | Mar 17 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | We're making a MASSIVE difference now, politically too | Mar 17 15:36 |
| schestowitz | The days of EPO management are numbered | Mar 17 15:36 |
| schestowitz | then we can get back to other things | Mar 17 15:36 |
| MinceR | nice | Mar 17 15:46 |
| schestowitz | El Reg is fed by us | Mar 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | and admits it | Mar 17 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/8969234 | Mar 17 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Washed away https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_1722920889f2e3709a6a.jpg | Mar 17 17:36 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/63YCg.gif | Mar 17 17:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: animal abuse | Mar 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | for "likes" | Mar 17 18:10 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/LAMbdpc.gifv (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/KNjPg ) | Mar 17 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | HMC so I can show you the dance of my people... | Mar 17 18:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Let me show you the dance of my people... - Album on Imgur | Mar 17 18:48 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/3hZZZuu.gifv (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/J1bh9 ) | Mar 17 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Determination | Mar 17 19:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wasted Guy Vs Flip Flop - Album on Imgur | Mar 17 19:11 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: ha | Mar 17 20:19 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 17 20:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ping | Mar 17 20:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz ping | Mar 17 20:20 |
| *razielle_tzu pongs | Mar 17 20:27 | |
| schestowitz | 0/ | Mar 17 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | both of you perfect | Mar 17 20:28 |
| razielle_tzu | i wouldn't say perfect but i try | Mar 17 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, schestowitz I am thinking about putting something up maybe on facebook, on my like articles etc page, for event | Mar 17 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | about the company who owns mercedz benz, joinig a anti patents organisation | Mar 17 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but then again I am trying to aim that page, at average people ewho mght get on it, so anything patents is going to be a bit uh really? | Mar 17 20:29 |
| razielle_tzu | you might be better just linking to some of schestowitz' stuff or creating a blog post somewhere that references it and explains things | Mar 17 20:30 |
| razielle_tzu | but i wouldn't know i don't create event pages on FB | Mar 17 20:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, well this is just the general feed really, for the event | Mar 17 20:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | soon will have another event page as well, since got an upcoming event | Mar 17 20:31 |
| razielle_tzu | i barely do anything on the group page for the computer club i run nevermind keeping an event feed active | Mar 17 20:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, schestowitz 's some of it is to much I think, unless into this stuff | Mar 17 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, sure but I am wanting to build this thing up, make it bigger | Mar 17 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | run two of these a year | Mar 17 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | etc | Mar 17 20:32 |
| razielle_tzu | i'm still not the person to ask about social media, i have enough issues keeping my personal stuff up to date | Mar 17 20:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | your personal stuff such as? | Mar 17 20:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah schestowitz on the other hand is obbssed with social media basically | Mar 17 20:33 |
| razielle_tzu | my FB page, twitter, my two blogs | Mar 17 20:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, what I meant though if trying to aim a page at mostly the lay man | Mar 17 20:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | someone who might become interested in linux etc | Mar 17 20:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | telling them something anything to do with software patents, even if it s some big company who has something famous joined an anti patents group | Mar 17 20:34 |
| razielle_tzu | i do that stuff face to face, through FB messenger or rarely irc | Mar 17 20:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | maybe its not that great doing that, and on facebook to | Mar 17 20:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | facebook messenger is going uh with my ubuntu tablet | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | now | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | since its not working proeprly at times now etc, or its just broke stuff, not sure yet | Mar 17 20:35 |
| razielle_tzu | i use pidgin and a custom built plugin to connect to the new FB api | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah I used to use pidgin a lot to connect | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to fb | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | on normal computer | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I am doing more personal commetns with articles that being linked to here and there on it to | Mar 17 20:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | maybe if I keep on doing that, certain people will see it go on it, and think oh, I wonder who doing that etc, lets go to event | Mar 17 20:37 |
| razielle_tzu | maybe | Mar 17 20:38 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, personal facebook feed? I dont use that | Mar 17 20:40 |
| razielle_tzu | i have friends in america and other places i can't text or chat to via irc, sometimes i miss them being online so i leave updates in my feed for them to check out | Mar 17 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, right ok | Mar 17 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and yes it can be good for that long distance contact | Mar 17 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | be they with in person peoploe, or online peopl | Mar 17 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | e | Mar 17 20:46 |
| schestowitz | [20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> about the company who owns mercedz benz, joinig a anti patents organisation | Mar 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Mar 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | OIN isn't anti-patent | Mar 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | it's the opposite of that | Mar 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ^ | Mar 17 20:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz oh is it really, really the opposite? | Mar 17 20:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz I thought I read it was one of the good ones ? | Mar 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | yes, it recently promotes a pro software patents thing | Mar 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | it claims to support Linux | Mar 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | but does too little to that effect | Mar 17 20:54 |
| schestowitz | it's a bit like "controlled opposition" | Mar 17 20:54 |
| schestowitz | to convince us to co-exist with patents in the area | Mar 17 20:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz it was this one I read: http://www.zdnet.com/article/daimler-joins-linuxs-open-invention-network-patent-protection-group/ | Mar 17 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Daimler joins Linux's Open Invention Network patent-protection group | ZDNet | Mar 17 20:54 | |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 17 20:54 |
| schestowitz | it's the only such report | Mar 17 20:54 |
| schestowitz | that I've seen | Mar 17 20:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so your saying that its a bit fake? | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | they aren't that anti patents | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe Kieth B called SJVN | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | to "generate" that article | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | whos keith b ? | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | the CEO of OIN | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | oh | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I forget how to spell his surname | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so is this a good thing or not then | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | them joining o in ? | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | anyway, OIN are not our ally, the FSF is | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | FFII may be | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | whats FF11 ? | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | not sure about their German wing | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | ask zoobab | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | ffii.org | Mar 17 20:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitzOIN isn't much good for us, the FSF is instead, is that what you mean ? | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | they fought to abolish any change of software patents in Europe a decade ago or more | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | also against OOXML | Mar 17 20:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | you mean the FSF ? | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | do you want to help us fight software patents? | Mar 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you can help combat the UPC in EUrope | Mar 17 20:57 |
| MinceR | the FSF isn't much good for us anymore either | Mar 17 20:57 |
| MinceR | they support systemd lock-in | Mar 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | and reach crowd with the relevant messages and actions | Mar 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | get people to sign this petition: nounitarysoftwarepatents.uk/ | Mar 17 20:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz how should the public be made aware at least to some extent, about software patents, so to do with Linux specifically as well, in lay mans terms ? | Mar 17 20:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | if at all for that even | Mar 17 20:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | maybe ignorance is bliss | Mar 17 20:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when not into something enough anyway, and some things to do with it | Mar 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:57] <MinceR> they support systemd lock-in | Mar 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Nobody is perfect | Mar 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | they also gave Mathew Microsoft an award | Mar 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | for UEFI 'secure' boot work | Mar 17 20:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz I was thinking of linking to the oin article on Facebook for my generally public aimed at event | Mar 17 20:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but I am a bit more hmm now | Mar 17 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | maybe paste the petition text re UPC | Mar 17 20:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | plus its probably not really the best idea to start going on about software patents on there really ! trying to explain about them a bit, what they are etc | Mar 17 20:59 |
| schestowitz | and get people to sign it | Mar 17 20:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | oh DaemonFC is here | Mar 17 20:59 |
| schestowitz | hide your daughters! | Mar 17 20:59 |
| MinceR | hide yo' kids, hide yo' wife, 'cause they're rapin' everybody out there! | Mar 17 21:00 |
| schestowitz | bbll | Mar 17 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The guy that robbed John was like "You finna come with me.". | Mar 17 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | When he told me that, I was like, "Finna? What's that?". | Mar 17 21:02 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 17 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | He said, "It's how black people here say 'gonna'.". | Mar 17 21:02 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 17 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, I was laughing "Oh, he got away with six dollars and a broken Galaxy S6. That's gangsta.". | Mar 17 21:03 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 17 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | I hated my Galaxy S6. It got like four hours on a charge, if you were lucky. | Mar 17 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | I heard that the government has a new regulation that says that no new cell phones can have a user-replaceable battery. Not sure if that's true or not. If it is, I'll be keeeping my LG G5 for a while. | Mar 17 21:06 |
| MinceR | that's shitty | Mar 17 21:07 |
| MinceR | still, i thought i've read about a recent midrange phone from lenovo (moto) that had a removable battery | Mar 17 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I'm not sure of any reason that ddoesn't involve spyware for that one. | Mar 17 21:07 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll buy an LG V20 and then hold on to it for a while | Mar 17 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, After dealing with Lenovo last year, I doubt I'd buy another one. | Mar 17 21:07 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 17 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe if they actually do keep allowing Linux to be installed from now on. | Mar 17 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | The complaint I filed with the Illinois state government was what kicked them in the nuts. | Mar 17 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | Before that, it seemed that no amount of negative media coverage would change their position. | Mar 17 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | After the complaint to the government, they did a complete 180, fixed all existing systems with new BIOSes and announced that the 910 would allow AHCI mode in the default BIOS. | Mar 17 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | I can see why companies want to tear down government regulations. | Mar 17 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | On a related note, our current landlords are having a hell of a time with Chicago's anti-slumlord laws. | Mar 17 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | They've been written up and ordered to fix something in this building 93 times since we moved in last year. | Mar 17 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | Things still aren't right, but they've been forced to fix the worst of it. | Mar 17 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | Everything from leaking plumbing, to backed up drains, to rotting stairwells, to exterior work because pieces of the building were falling off onto the sidewalk, to rodent control.... | Mar 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | A bunch of stuff. | Mar 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | We're getting the hell out of here before the end of the month. We put down on a new apartment in Roger's Park. It's more expensive, but only slightly, and it's twice as big, all utilities paid by the landlord, and in a much nicer building. | Mar 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | Violent crime rate in the neighborhood is 1/5th of what it is where we live now. | Mar 17 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | I pulled up the public records before we signed a lease this time. The place where we live now has been awful. | Mar 17 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | On top of the violations, they were fined about $10,000 last year. | Mar 17 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | Chicago Department of Revenue probably loves them. | Mar 17 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | Their property tax bill for this place is running $58,000 a year now. | Mar 17 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | They were appealing it each year, but they quit doing it because the appeals were being denied and the lawyer gets paid anyway. | Mar 17 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's not just the number of apartments, it's the footprint of the building. | Mar 17 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | The only reason this thing is still standing is because they built great stuff in the 1920s. | Mar 17 21:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 17 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's been through decades of neglect. | Mar 17 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://betanews.com/2017/03/12/disgustingly-sneaky-windows-10-ads/ | Mar 17 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Microsoft is disgustingly sneaky: Windows 10 isn't an operating system, it's an advertising platform | Mar 17 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC | BetaNews is criticizing Microsoft. That's new. | Mar 17 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | Each update puts ads in some new place and you have to find out where to go to turn the new ones off. | Mar 17 21:17 |
| MinceR | Backdoors10 is malware | Mar 17 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They know that most people won't bother to turn the ads off. | Mar 17 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | So they can say "You can if you want to." because probably single digit percentages of the people using Windows 10 actually will.. | Mar 17 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't seem to really matter much what web browser you use anymore. | Mar 17 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Somewhere along the way, DRM and binary applications running in your browser became "open standards". | Mar 17 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | This "WebAssembly" will make obfuscated Javascript look pleasant. | Mar 17 21:21 |
| MinceR | they're more into saying either "you can if you want to, but we'll just switch it back" or "you can't, even if you want to" nowadays | Mar 17 21:22 |
| MinceR | and the moronic masses are OK with that | Mar 17 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | I can see GNU IceCat turning it off, but sites will slowly start using it and then the web will be broken without it. | Mar 17 21:22 |
| MinceR | apparently they have new APIs applications can only use if they're distributed via the winblows store now | Mar 17 21:22 |
| MinceR | meanwhile macos breaks applications if crApple wasn't paid to sign them | Mar 17 21:23 |
| MinceR | Backdoors10 and macos sierra are dangerously close to not being general purpose computer OSes anymore | Mar 17 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, but most apps people use are not from the Windows store. | Mar 17 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, I've never used it. | Mar 17 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Mar 17 21:34 |
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| MinceR | they'll probably start treating the old APIs negatively | Mar 17 21:36 |
| MinceR | maybe even break them, microsoft style | Mar 17 21:36 |
| MinceR | "DOS Ain't Done 'til Lotus Won't Run" | Mar 17 21:36 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, There's already some of that. | Mar 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to embed a web browser engine in a "classic" app, it has to be Trident. | Mar 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | You can't use EdgeHTML in such an app. | Mar 17 21:40 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 17 21:40 |
| MinceR | not much of a difference though :> | Mar 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | IE is pretty much frozen in time. | Mar 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | Security updates only. | Mar 17 21:40 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't trust m$ with security anyway | Mar 17 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | The extensions system in Edge is still totally broken. | Mar 17 21:41 |
| MinceR | but yeah, i can see the sort of people who would primarily target windows fall for that sort of crap | Mar 17 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | If you try to use TamperMonkey, Edge starts saying "Page Not Found" all the time. | Mar 17 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Norton was recommending people keep using IE 11 because Microsoft won't let shitty extensions like theirs into Edge. | Mar 17 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | The extension system from Chrome is quickly becoming the de facto standard. | Mar 17 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Soon, that'll be the only kind of extension that works in Firefox. | Mar 17 21:44 |
| MinceR | if anything at all will work on firefox, anyway | Mar 17 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/WebExtensions/Porting_a_Google_Chrome_extension | Mar 17 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.mozilla.org | Porting a Google Chrome extension - Mozilla | MDN | Mar 17 21:45 | |
| MinceR | mozilla is breaking everything | Mar 17 21:46 |
| MinceR | they broke the UI, they're breaking extensions, they're forcing ALSA | Mar 17 21:46 |
| MinceR | failfox is swarming with bugs | Mar 17 21:46 |
| MinceR | oops | Mar 17 21:46 |
| MinceR | they're forcing pulseaudio, of course | Mar 17 21:47 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: some alsa sound cards and setups don't pass the ALSA test suite | Mar 17 22:12 |
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| MinceR | i don't care | Mar 17 22:14 |
| MinceR | also, pulseaudio won't work without alsa either | Mar 17 22:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pulseaudio in fact includes a lot of detect broken combination apply work around. | Mar 17 22:15 |
| MinceR | where's the workaround for pulseaudio itself being a bloated, buggy pile of shit? | Mar 17 22:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: some of pulseaudio buggyness at times is pulseaudio using more features on ALSA than the applications to are using so finding sound card driver being a buggy pile of trouble. | Mar 17 22:16 |
| MinceR | also, i don't need the retards at mozilla to pick audio drivers for me | Mar 17 22:17 |
| MinceR | i can do it myself, thank-you-very-much | Mar 17 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | Then apulse | Mar 17 22:17 |
| MinceR | fuck apulse | Mar 17 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | okay | Mar 17 22:17 |
| MinceR | i switched to palemoon and i won't use skype | Mar 17 22:17 |
| MinceR | poettering can stick his malware where the sun doesn't shine | Mar 17 22:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse is not poettering | Mar 17 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - i-rinat/apulse: PulseAudio emulation for ALSA | Mar 17 22:18 | |
| oiaohm | But of course is does not have pulseaudio quirks data. | Mar 17 22:19 |
| oiaohm | Alsa it self does not have any valid way of storing sound card quirks/ features not to touch with a ten foot barge poll when using X driver. | Mar 17 22:19 |
| MinceR | apulse is a hack to accommodate broken crap that insists on pulseaudio | Mar 17 22:26 |
| MinceR | and pulseaudio is poetteringware | Mar 17 22:26 |
| MinceR | i prefer to avoid broken crap | Mar 17 22:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: alsa is broken crap. | Mar 17 22:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Find a automated test suite for ALSA it does not exist. | Mar 17 22:27 |
| MinceR | and despite all the FUD, intel/conexant HDA and soundblaster omni are both working fine | Mar 17 22:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: other than pulseaudio one. | Mar 17 22:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct intel/conexant HDA if you run everything in the alsa-lib test directory you will find things that should work that don't. | Mar 17 22:28 |
| MinceR | i don't use my audio hardware to run test suites | Mar 17 22:28 |
| MinceR | i use my audio hardware to play audio | Mar 17 22:28 |
| MinceR | music, video and games all work fine | Mar 17 22:28 |
| MinceR | which they did not with PA | Mar 17 22:29 |
| MinceR | it skipped; now it doesn't skip | Mar 17 22:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pure manual testing runs though all the different ways alsa should support playing audio and that at least 1 application out their requests. | Mar 17 22:29 |
| MinceR | and all the FUD and hostile software and dependencies used as weapons against the user won't change that fact. | Mar 17 22:29 |
| *MinceR yawns | Mar 17 22:29 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: come on alsa-lib does a release are you aware they don't have a even a automated build server to confirm that applies patches even works. | Mar 17 22:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that they even build. | Mar 17 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Pulseaudio and other sound servers basically have existed because alsa development methods are in need of some serous overhauling. | Mar 17 22:31 |
| *MinceR yawns again | Mar 17 22:31 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so you want to be rid of Pulseaudio what are you going to do fix up alsa so items like hotplugging works. | Mar 17 22:32 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: how many more of these lines will it take to fix pulseaudio? | Mar 17 22:32 |
| MinceR | also, even if it was the way you say, that still doesn't justify forcing pulseaudio on users | Mar 17 22:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have never liked any sound server | Mar 17 22:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have always looked at them as hacks. | Mar 17 22:33 |
| MinceR | if PA is so great, let it succeed by its virtues, not by forcing it on users | Mar 17 22:33 |
| MinceR | same is true for cancerd | Mar 17 22:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and it always because the low systems are not fixed. | Mar 17 22:33 |
| MinceR | if it was so great, ratcrap wouldn't need to use all the dirty tricks from microsoft's book to get people to use it | Mar 17 22:33 |
| MinceR | also, when will PA stop breaking ALSA's low-level API? | Mar 17 22:33 |
| oiaohm | Sound servers all the way back to esound and artsd fighting with each other should never have been required. | Mar 17 22:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what do you mean breaking ALSA low-level API. | Mar 17 22:34 |
| MinceR | blocking it from applications | Mar 17 22:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: put up what you are refering to. | Mar 17 22:34 |
| MinceR | i can't, it was a long time ago | Mar 17 22:34 |
| MinceR | i didn't think it was going to be a "use pulseaudio or else" issue eventually | Mar 17 22:34 |
| MinceR | i didn't see all this poetteringware and cancerd forcing coming | Mar 17 22:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that was implemented for sound servers before pulseaudio and part alsa standard to allow third party mixing to be added to fix up Alsa broken known defective dmix. | Mar 17 22:35 |
| MinceR | if i had, i would have given ratcrap's stuff a wide berth | Mar 17 22:35 |
| MinceR | ooh, "known defective" | Mar 17 22:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so my question is when is ALSA sound mixing going to be properly fixed. | Mar 17 22:35 |
| MinceR | is skipping required by the specification? or by some test suite somewhere? :> | Mar 17 22:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so we don't need sound servers. | Mar 17 22:35 |
| MinceR | i don't need sound servers. | Mar 17 22:36 |
| MinceR | neither does palemoon. | Mar 17 22:36 |
| MinceR | neither does failfox, if it's built from source, configured properly (not like the morons at mozilla do) | Mar 17 22:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: skipping is in the specification and how the sound card is meant to inform applications so it does not happen. | Mar 17 22:36 |
| MinceR | also, if ratcrap manages to kill linux, it will be moot | Mar 17 22:36 |
| MinceR | openbsd and netbsd probably have this figured out already | Mar 17 22:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: does not help that a lot of sound cards drivers in alsa report the wrong buffer and fail to send notification when buffer it getting near empty. | Mar 17 22:37 |
| MinceR | too bad the specification of my audio processing wasn't informed that gratuitous gaps in music playback are to be enjoyed, not avoided | Mar 17 22:37 |
| MinceR | i guess my brain wasn't designed by poettering | Mar 17 22:37 |
| oiaohm | openbsd and netbsd and freebsd use oss that is more sanely designed and has working sound mixing. | Mar 17 22:37 |
| MinceR | i thought openbsd used sndio | Mar 17 22:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sndio still has working sound mixing. | Mar 17 22:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: alsa has sound mixing that breaks without anything else. | Mar 17 22:38 |
| MinceR | breaks how? | Mar 17 22:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: dmix cannot cope with applicaitons wanting to-do different bit depths and speeds at the same time. | Mar 17 22:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: both sndio and oss can cope with that. | Mar 17 22:39 |
| MinceR | then i guess they never want to do that | Mar 17 22:39 |
| MinceR | or perhaps you're working with outdated information | Mar 17 22:39 |
| oiaohm | No because under Linux every time someone did that people used sound servers so alsa was never fixed up properly. | Mar 17 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes it because alsa was designed to be sound server dependant. | Mar 17 22:40 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Mar 17 22:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-913432-start-0.html I cannot find the email back in early alsa development at the moment where dmix limit support was justified. Like systems with more than 2 speakers existed when the first lines of dmix was coded. | Mar 17 22:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - ALSA dmix not working Intel HDA [Solved] | Mar 17 22:42 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yet dmix only support 2 speakers. | Mar 17 22:42 |
| MinceR | i have 2 speakers | Mar 17 22:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about a person with 5.1 | Mar 17 22:43 |
| MinceR | well, there's also a bass speaker in there, but it's managed by the speaker unit | Mar 17 22:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 5.1 works correctly with OSS and sndio | Mar 17 22:43 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: are you saying that i should break my audio and get used to skips in music when the system is loaded because somebody else has a 5.1 system? | Mar 17 22:43 |
| MinceR | that's just like saying my servers should boot and shutdown unreliably and should be forced to reboot often because somebody wants to run multihead desktops. | Mar 17 22:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the skips issue with HDA turns up with different applications using ALSA directly without pulseaudio as well. | Mar 17 22:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: because a lot of HDA report the wrong information. | Mar 17 22:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and there is no valid test suite for those making drivers. | Mar 17 22:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: also, what if i wanted to use a sound server other than PA? | Mar 17 22:45 |
| MinceR | is that heresy? | Mar 17 22:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I use jackaudio as well and I had particular cards skip and do stuff stupid with it as well. | Mar 17 22:46 |
| MinceR | so, am i the sysadmin of my own computers, or is poettering the sysadmin of my own computers? | Mar 17 22:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: a lot of issue put on PA are not PA its the lower level being absolutely bad. | Mar 17 22:47 |
| MinceR | yet it magically goes away if i get rid of PA | Mar 17 22:47 |
| MinceR | and still, i am not to get rid of PA because the high priest said so. | Mar 17 22:47 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i really miss the time when free software was about freedom. | Mar 17 22:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: PA attempt to use larger buffer sizes and what the driver reported it could handle. Lot of application just pick their own buffer size and throw that at sound card. | Mar 17 22:48 |
| MinceR | so, where are your magical quirk lists now? | Mar 17 22:48 |
| oiaohm | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Choppy_sound_with_analog_surround_sound_setup Please frequency = 48000 having to be set in openal that uses alsa directly at times to avoid alsa being choppy. | Mar 17 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki | Mar 17 22:51 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pulseaudio include a lot of manual controls to allow setting to sound card because quirk list is not complete. | Mar 17 22:52 |
| MinceR | it's funny how the selling points evaporate | Mar 17 22:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wrong buffersizes wrong clockspeed support all come up from the driver level. | Mar 17 22:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so if you application asks the alsa driver what it can do and attempt to do it everything goes wrong. | Mar 17 22:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the thing is here is why does pulseaudio, jack and other sound servers even need a quirk list. | Mar 17 22:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it a symptom that lower down is broken. | Mar 17 22:56 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the thing is that this does not magically make pulseaudio not broken | Mar 17 22:57 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and even if it did, it's still rude to force users to one particular sound server with such excuses | Mar 17 22:57 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: especially when the code is already there to use ALSA | Mar 17 22:58 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. artsd, jackaudio, esound... every sound server in history has implemented own API/ABI because the ALSA API/ABI is lacking stuff sound servers need. Like the means to tell applications they are disconnected from audio stop sending stuff to be played. | Mar 17 22:59 |
| MinceR | what "not exactly"? | Mar 17 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Not what I said other than sound server muting audio when else do you think you would want to tell an application to stop sending audio. | Mar 17 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Not/Note | Mar 17 23:01 |
| MinceR | depends on the application | Mar 17 23:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about if you disconenct the speakers or pull the usb sound card out or change where the speakers are connected.... | Mar 17 23:02 |
| MinceR | usually i quit the audio player, then unplug the usb sound card | Mar 17 23:02 |
| MinceR | if i want to use the builtin audio hw, i edit my .asoundrc | Mar 17 23:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you forget things don't go right. | Mar 17 23:02 |
| MinceR | i still should have the freedom to do so | Mar 17 23:03 |
| MinceR | especially when PA would waste CPU and RAM | Mar 17 23:03 |
| MinceR | some people have 5.1 audio systems and multiseat desktops. well, i have weak computers. | Mar 17 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes I am not saying you should not have the freedom to use ALSA but it also should work right. | Mar 17 23:03 |
| MinceR | actually, that's what you've been arguing for almost an hour | Mar 17 23:03 |
| MinceR | oh, also, i have a laptop | Mar 17 23:04 |
| MinceR | the battery lasts longer if useless crap like PA and libvirtd don't get to waste power for nothing | Mar 17 23:04 |
| MinceR | oh, also, systemd | Mar 17 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Why we are getting stuck with sound servers and this goes back to esound. artsd and before because the lower sound stuff is not getting fixed. | Mar 17 23:04 |
| oiaohm | And application developers don't want to deal with quirks. | Mar 17 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I decided to go bargain shopping thanks to the strong dollar. | Mar 17 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | I bought up shares of an index fund that tracks the MSCI EAFE index. | Mar 17 23:05 |
| oiaohm | Pulseaudio becomes application developers scape goat when audio does not work instead of user blaming them in most cases. | Mar 17 23:05 |
| MinceR | then perhaps application developers should look for a job they're qualified for | Mar 17 23:05 |
| MinceR | perhaps they should look into developing applications that don't need audio. | Mar 17 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | The dollar is hugely overvalued right now, so it makes foreign investing mighty tempting. | Mar 17 23:06 |
| MinceR | in general, if mozilla can't improve firefox even though they have money, they shouldn't try to work around that by spending money on making firefox worse instead | Mar 17 23:06 |
| MinceR | if they just burned the money, even that would be less of a waste than what they're doing | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | So, as things return to their long term average, in dollar terms, this stands to make a pretty hefty profit. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't trust the US stock market. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | It made some good gains for me over the last few years, but I can see that coming to an end. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | Everything is overvalued, especially Microsoft. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not having money it cost resources to maintain alsa working with all the quirks it has. It also cheaper for application developers to drop alsa support and mandate uses use pulseaudio. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | P/E of 30.5? Fuck. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| MinceR | apparently destructive change for the sake of change is the "trendy", "cool", "modern" thing to do nowadays | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | People are still buying that? | Mar 17 23:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it's also cheaper to not develop bullshit such as australis, or that pocket bullshit, or EME support, or patent-encumbered codec support | Mar 17 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, I owned some Microsoft and Apple in there somewhere, but I sold at an all time high, so I'm feeling good about that. | Mar 17 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | Let the big shitpile come down on someone else. | Mar 17 23:08 |
| MinceR | the alternative is literally doing nothing | Mar 17 23:08 |
| MinceR | which costs literally nothing | Mar 17 23:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pocket bullshit they paid for the location. So that was income. | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | good for them | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | too bad every user got the shaft | Mar 17 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, We went to see that movie "Get Out" the other day. | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | makes me wonder who the fuck mozilla is developing their shit for now | Mar 17 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft product placements everywhere. | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | it sure isn't the users | Mar 17 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Surface Books. Windows Phones. | Mar 17 23:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember the project need money. | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | what for? | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | what can they use that money for? | Mar 17 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | I leaned over to John and said "Oh look, the only person who bought a Windows Phone in the entire world.". | Mar 17 23:10 |
| MinceR | all they do is add shit nobody needs, rearrange the ui so it becomes less usable, and add tons of bugs everywhere that won't ever get fixed. | Mar 17 23:10 |
| MinceR | oh, and new "features" that break everything and add nothing useful | Mar 17 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That describes modern software in general. | Mar 17 23:10 |
| MinceR | yeah | Mar 17 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Start over, break everything, let the poor saps try to figure out how to do the same tasks they were doing fine before. | Mar 17 23:11 |
| MinceR | like the shiny new ui that makes tabs randomly forget their icons or their contents (including the URL) | Mar 17 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Mar 17 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, KDE... Jesus | Mar 17 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | The 4 series wasn't even usable day to day until 4.3 was out. | Mar 17 23:11 |
| MinceR | kde is gone, let it go | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | kde3 was good, and then it was all over | Mar 17 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | They tossed out the 3 series even though it was working perfectly fine. | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | at least they managed to do 3 major releases before going to hell | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | gnome only managed 1 | Mar 17 23:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: australis the UI rework in Firefox started as attempt to fix the UI up to work with Electrolysis what is multi process support. | Mar 17 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They wait until everything is working too well and there's no reason to change much of anything. | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yeah, electrolysis also turned out to be perfectly useless | Mar 17 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Then they toss it out. | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | but hey, at least they get to break most extensions | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | it's not like anyone used failfox for the extensions, right? | Mar 17 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Ideally, software would be improved incrementally. | Mar 17 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | The user says "Hmm, there's a new feature but everything is basically the same.". | Mar 17 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | Instead, it's this churn and burn process where nothing ever works right and when it does, it's time to start over. | Mar 17 23:13 |
| MinceR | oh, also, this shiny new ui wastes screen spaces as if i was using a 10x10 grid of 4K displays or something | Mar 17 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | I have a 4k display. | Mar 17 23:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not really electrolysis work was required to make firefox work better on multi core systems as well. Having almost a single thread to render all open pages and interfaces was not exaclty a good idea. | Mar 17 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | The original Windows 10 was horrendous with 4k. | Mar 17 23:14 |
| MinceR | i have to install MicroFox/MicroMoon if i want to leave some pixels for the actual web pages | Mar 17 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | They improved that part, at least. | Mar 17 23:14 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yet if one process crashes, the whole browser becomes unusable. | Mar 17 23:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and as an added bonus, it consumes more RAM | Mar 17 23:15 |
| MinceR | as if "modern" websites didn't waste enough RAM already. | Mar 17 23:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: multi threading support does cost more ram with the ram per thread issue. | Mar 17 23:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you'll have to tell someone else about that. i think it was DaemonFC. :> | Mar 17 23:16 |
| MinceR | oh, you said it does cost more | Mar 17 23:16 |
| MinceR | never mind, then | Mar 17 23:16 |
| oiaohm | The price of supporting multi core cpus is using more ram. | Mar 17 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Multiprocess does use a lot of extra RAM. | Mar 17 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | With Firefox, there's been this one really big process. With Chrome or Edge, there's a bunch of smaller ones that collectively use 20-30% more. | Mar 17 23:17 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: under Linux at kernel level there is very little difference in cost between a thread and a process. | Mar 17 23:18 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: because the same structures exist anyhow. | Mar 17 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | Windows processes are much more expensive. | Mar 17 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | That's why the RAM use is horrible with browsers like Chrome. | Mar 17 23:18 |
| MinceR | i wonder why would the rendering of text, images and link need more than one core | Mar 17 23:18 |
| oiaohm | It one of the clear difference between OS X/Linux/BSD vs windows. Windows really does not like multi process applications. | Mar 17 23:19 |
| MinceR | what could possibly so heavy about such a simple task in 2017? | Mar 17 23:19 |
| MinceR | processes are so costly in winblows they wrote svchost.exe to stuff multiple services in one process | Mar 17 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Chrome Sandbox in Windows uses Integrity Levels. | Mar 17 23:19 |
| MinceR | dave cutler's design "genius" in action! | Mar 17 23:19 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: ooh, buzzwords! | Mar 17 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | In Windows, the trust level of a process, is System, High, Medium, Low, and AppContainer. | Mar 17 23:20 |
| MinceR | the robber barons of redmond throw "ASLR" around as if they invented it | Mar 17 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | AppConntainer is new to Windows 8. | Mar 17 23:20 |
| MinceR | ooh, AppContainer(tm)! | Mar 17 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, by the time you're in AppContainer, the process can't do very much other than ask another process to do something for it. | Mar 17 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | It's meant for Windows Store apps and Edge. | Mar 17 23:21 |
| MinceR | does AppContainer(tm) manage to isolate the event loop of a window from the process using the window? :> | Mar 17 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Although it is available to "classic" apps too. | Mar 17 23:21 |
| oiaohm | https://news.saferbytes.it/analisi/2013/07/securing-microsoft-windows-8-appcontainers/ | Mar 17 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.saferbytes.it | Securing Microsoft Windows 8: AppContainers | Mar 17 23:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has done a horrible job documenting this. | Mar 17 23:22 |
| MinceR | Securing Microsoft Windows 8: How to Uninstall It And Get a Real Operating System | Mar 17 23:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you set up Appcontainers wrong yes you can have a application create a window then not be able to put anything in it under Windwos. | Mar 17 23:22 |
| MinceR | microsoft in general does a horrible job documenting anything | Mar 17 23:22 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: great, sounds very useful | Mar 17 23:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: put it this way Microsoft appcontainers starts making cgroup and namespaces on Linux look friendly. | Mar 17 23:23 |
| MinceR | microsoft makes everything except apple look friendly | Mar 17 23:23 |
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| MinceR | ...and maybe also except redhat | Mar 17 23:26 |
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| cubexyz | winwoes :) | Mar 18 02:33 |
| cubexyz | I try to avoid it | Mar 18 02:33 |
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| cubexyz | I've avoided windows and I've also avoided UEFI | Mar 18 03:55 |
| cubexyz | chromebooks don't use UEFI... | Mar 18 03:55 |
| cubexyz | and my 2008 PC is one of the last to not use UEFI | Mar 18 03:56 |
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| cubexyz | really my setup with konsole is best on KDE 3.5.10 still | Mar 18 04:08 |
| cubexyz | wow, 4k 28" monitors | Mar 18 05:23 |
| cubexyz | what is the point of that? | Mar 18 05:23 |
| cubexyz | I think I'd rather have a bunch of smaller monitors instead | Mar 18 05:24 |
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| cubexyz | ok, I need a wifi card for the 5 ghz service | Mar 18 05:51 |
| cubexyz | no idea what is good...hmmm | Mar 18 05:53 |
| cubexyz | there's 300 Mbps | Mar 18 05:54 |
| cubexyz | surely that would be fast enough | Mar 18 05:54 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, that one is just 2.4 ghz | Mar 18 05:55 |
| cubexyz | I'm still in 32-bit land for this one... HP NX9030... kind of old | Mar 18 05:58 |
| cubexyz | so I'm installing Linux Mint 18.1 32-bit on it | Mar 18 05:58 |
| cubexyz | so no more using Fedora 16... it's getting the boot | Mar 18 05:59 |
| cubexyz | unworthy of memory I'm sorry to say | Mar 18 05:59 |
| cubexyz | anyways, with two internet services I can run the 6 mbps service flat-out and still use wifi with no slowdown whatsoever | Mar 18 06:02 |
| cubexyz | pretty nice :) | Mar 18 06:02 |
| cubexyz | Bell offered me free internet (50 Mbps) for a year | Mar 18 06:03 |
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| schestowitz | just decided to write to RMS about twitter: | Mar 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Hi Richard, | Mar 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz | 3 years ago we spoke about Twitter. You said it was OK at the time. I want to let you know that Twitter now keeps censoring me, for no good reason. I wrote two posts about it in my web site (does not require JavaScript): | Mar 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Censored by Twitter for Mentioning Being Censored by Twitter | Mar 18 08:56 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2017/03/18/censored-by-twitter-for-mentioning-being-censored-by-twitter/ | Mar 18 08:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Censored by Twitter for Mentioning Being Censored by Twitter | Mar 18 08:56 | |
| schestowitz | Twitter Stands for Censorship | Mar 18 08:56 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2017/03/08/twitter-stands-for-censorship/ | Mar 18 08:56 |
| schestowitz | As you can imagine, I mostly "tweet" (actually copies from Diaspora) stuff about Free software. | Mar 18 08:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 18 08:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Twitter Stands for Censorship | Mar 18 08:56 | |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/is7BKp1.gifv | Mar 18 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Nuclear reactor starting up | Mar 18 12:06 | |
| schestowitz | never seen this before | Mar 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rbanffy/status/843089213419589632 | Mar 18 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rbanffy: @schestowitz that flash looks odd. Is it the camera adjusting aperture? | Mar 18 13:22 | |
| schestowitz | Not sure, not my area | Mar 18 13:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/843089452331360259 | Mar 18 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wendycockcroft: The multiplicity of #GIMP tutorials makes using it easy. It's more intuitive than #Photoshop. https://t.co/KhWTLTzlby | Mar 18 13:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Gimp 2.8 Reviewed: Open-Source Photo Editor https://t.co/G2RRqGEQL5 definitely usable, easy. Wife uses it. #gimp #gnu #freesw #graphics | Mar 18 13:23 | |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/Trbe3 | Mar 18 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Diamonds arent all that - Album on Imgur | Mar 18 13:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BellaMagnani/status/843096574783905792 | Mar 18 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BellaMagnani: .@schestowitz https://t.co/hFam776S0V | Mar 18 14:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Wikileaks | Facebook | Mar 18 14:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dekdarion/status/843098447406399488 | Mar 18 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dekdarion: @schestowitz @wikileaks has a FB page. | Mar 18 14:05 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I was not ware | Mar 18 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I was not aware | Mar 18 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sainsburys/status/843104297722281984 | Mar 18 14:39 |
| schestowitz | damage control | Mar 18 14:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unexpected response | Mar 18 14:40 | |
| schestowitz | "Hey there Roy. Can you DM us some more information please? You can do this on the link provided. Megan" | Mar 18 14:40 |
| schestowitz | they try to silence critics | Mar 18 14:40 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/iohUWQv.gif | Mar 18 15:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170316/08471136931/how-drones-help-transparency-activists-to-see-things-hungarian-government-wants-to-hide.shtml | Mar 18 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Drones Help Transparency Activists To See Things The Hungarian Government Wants To Hide | Techdirt | Mar 18 16:06 | |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 18 16:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/842996187741523969 | Mar 18 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz infestation they say allowed pictures and videos. Now every tweet is an image or video. #sad | Mar 18 16:14 | |
| XRevan86 | > Viktor Orbán, is a self-confessed believer in the "illiberal state," which Wikipedia describes as follows: a governing system in which, although elections take place, citizens are cut off from knowledge about the activities of those who exercise real power because of the lack of civil liberties. It is not an "open society". | Mar 18 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | An honest guy :). | Mar 18 16:17 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/2Bt3LV3.jpg (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/vkMhQ ) | Mar 18 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lol he is so adorable - Album on Imgur | Mar 18 16:41 | |
| MinceR | who? | Mar 18 16:41 |
| MinceR | http://namelesspcs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2017-03-16-TrumpsRealSecret.png | Mar 18 17:04 |
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| MinceR | https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Neonazi_undermentsch.jpg | Mar 18 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-encyclopediadramatica.se | File:Neonazi undermentsch.jpg - Encyclopedia Dramatica | Mar 18 20:21 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 18 20:35 |
| razielle_tzu | hi | Mar 18 20:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, woo twitter | Mar 18 20:40 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 18 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah got to twweet some stuff to really | Mar 18 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to try and gain interst in things | Mar 18 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to do with event | Mar 18 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, forgot had already done an account for it | Mar 18 20:42 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 18 20:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but it was just ther ewanting email confimred earlioer so | Mar 18 20:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when going to sucker | Mar 18 20:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | Mar 18 20:42 | |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, if you do enough on social media, might become bigish | Mar 18 20:42 |
| razielle_tzu | true | Mar 18 20:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but mostly just going to re tweet stuff there so eh | Mar 18 20:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | omg ubuntu and such | Mar 18 20:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I can't be obssed with stuff like that like schestowitz | Mar 18 20:44 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to time consuming and uh | Mar 18 20:44 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, tweeting to no followeres, is a little hmm, but how it goes at first I suppouse | Mar 18 20:45 |
| razielle_tzu | i don't have many followers either | Mar 18 20:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, this should build up when we got upcoming event | Mar 18 20:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | a guy been doing a flyer text | Mar 18 20:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but it's not quite right yet | Mar 18 20:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hopeully tommorw | Mar 18 20:48 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | going to run a paid facebook advert for it as well | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but for longer this time | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | five weeks ? | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | or about five weeks | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but yes it all relys on the text ! | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I don't even have it saying upcoming event on facebook since yeah | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yet | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | properly | Mar 18 20:48 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/KYA86 | Mar 18 21:16 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/Yb2bfeQ.png | Mar 18 22:53 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/0jg5K | Mar 18 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enjoy some Die Hard facts - Album on Imgur | Mar 18 23:48 | |
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| cubexyz | there's a certain chaos element to computers | Mar 12 04:08 |
| cubexyz | I have no idea why dosbox sometimes will not run certain games | Mar 12 04:09 |
| cubexyz | and sometimes the game comes up as fullscreen, and sometimes in a window | Mar 12 04:10 |
| cubexyz | you didn't see things like that on a sega genesis | Mar 12 04:11 |
| cubexyz | far less complexity... | Mar 12 04:11 |
| cubexyz | I wonder what would happen running old dos games on the chromebook | Mar 12 04:16 |
| cubexyz | so many things to consider now: scummvm, dosobox, wine, MAME | Mar 12 04:19 |
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| cubexyz | a few years ago I added a Modeline to xorg.conf so 640x400 mode would work on one machine | Mar 12 04:23 |
| cubexyz | one game used it | Mar 12 04:23 |
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| cubexyz | unfortunately the scanning frequency of my CRTs are all in the 30 to 71 kHz range | Mar 12 04:28 |
| cubexyz | at least that's what the manual says | Mar 12 04:28 |
| cubexyz | naturally lower resolutions use lower frequencies | Mar 12 04:29 |
| cubexyz | some of the early NEC multisync monitors could do 15 kHz | Mar 12 04:32 |
| cubexyz | now the interesting thing is, there's LCD NEC Multi-sync monitors | Mar 12 04:34 |
| cubexyz | anyways, the old NEC's could do 15 to 60 kHz | Mar 12 04:35 |
| cubexyz | feels like I've spent the last 20 years or so thinking about getting a 'new' monitor for the amiga :-/ | Mar 12 04:36 |
| cubexyz | no one wants to touch the 1080 | Mar 12 04:37 |
| cubexyz | there's also RGB to S-video, hmmm | Mar 12 04:47 |
| cubexyz | I don't want to try to fix the 1080 either | Mar 12 04:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"you can't make real art with spray paint" - some dumb fuck. - Album on Imgur | Mar 12 11:30 | |
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| MinceR | btw, mega sucks | Mar 12 11:52 |
| MinceR | (kimdotcom's cancerous page) | Mar 12 11:52 |
| MinceR | downloads for ages, slowing my pc to a crawl, then announces it needs me to register an account to continue | Mar 12 11:52 |
| MinceR | (after doing a lot of alleged downloading of a single file) | Mar 12 11:52 |
| MinceR | it ate 2GB of RAM | Mar 12 11:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | MRW I find out this username isn't taken | Mar 12 12:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MRW I find out this username isn't taken - GIF on Imgur | Mar 12 12:10 | |
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| cubexyz | sounds crappy | Mar 12 13:05 |
| cubexyz | I heard kim dotcom lost most of his ill-gotten gains | Mar 12 13:10 |
| MinceR | i keep hearing how he still cheerleads for the nazis | Mar 12 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | [11:53] <MinceR> it ate 2GB of RAM | Mar 12 15:01 |
| schestowitz | yes, it's horrid | Mar 12 15:01 |
| schestowitz | rianne stopped using it | Mar 12 15:01 |
| schestowitz | it didn't even work reliably anmore | Mar 12 15:01 |
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| One_ | The Battistelli system I think the scandal regarding the colleague who produced 63 searches and 20 grants in one month deserves a deeper look into. For anybody who´s ever done a search and an examination it´s clear that 83 products a month (in January) is an impossible achievement. Even if one admits that some of the files were transferred from the previous month, as explained by the director, this is not a remotely credible p | Mar 12 19:23 |
| One_ | December is a short month and an average of 40 products per month in two consecutive months which include the winter holidays is in the realm of fantasy. Moreover, if a search is started, according to the new regulations, the examiner has ten days for finishing the search, so if one starts treating files in December without finishing them there will be a lot of red-flagged files in January. | Mar 12 19:23 |
| One_ | That should´ve rung a bell for the director who is supposed to keep an eye on timeliness. He should also have known that the respective production was impossible in the given time period. But enquiries of the staff as to the preposterous 83 products a month were brushed aside by the director in those fateful emails in a knee-jerk reaction that shows that nowadays at he EPO production, even unrealistic, is protected from all criti | Mar 12 19:23 |
| One_ | What happened is a compound failure of the examiner and the director, symbolic of the “everything goes” scam system implemented by Battistelli in which production figures are disconnected from quality in spite of the achievements trumpeted by Battistelli in the all too subservient press and his self-serving events. | Mar 12 19:24 |
| One_ | It´s not that quality at all levels is that compromised but the high producer bonus system incentives a low number of greedy examiners to cut corners and attempt to produce a high number of searches and grants regardless of quality in search of the yearly bonus. If Battistelli really wanted to restore a minimum of credibility to the office he should start by ordering the Quality Control Department to carry out an examination of | Mar 12 19:24 |
| One_ | searches and grants – and make the findings public. Otherwise the EPO will be regarded with even more mistrust and its reputation will continue to sink. Even better, Battistelli should retire (which he will certainly not do of his own will) or the Administrative Council should finally grow a spine (hard to believe either) and decide to oust him and let somebody else restore the credibility of the EPO after the disastruous year | Mar 12 19:24 |
| One_ | disastrous | Mar 12 19:25 |
| One_ | We´ve seen over and over again that dictators are adulated during their reign and accepted even by democratic countries but after their demise all the dirt comes out from under the carpet tainting all those who supported them in the past. There is no reason to believe that Battistelli will suffer a different fate after his departure. A petty wannabe grand dictator who, fortunately for the world, has ended up mistreating only a Eu | Mar 12 19:25 |
| One_ | instead of a whole country. With his own secret service, destroying the lives of the inconvenient staff representation members by firing them, one can only imagine his behaviour, and his opponents´end, had he been the president of a Central Asian or African country. | Mar 12 19:26 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 12 19:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ping | Mar 12 19:27 |
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| razielle_tzu | 'sup SebthreeBQM10HD | Mar 12 19:49 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, in a bit of a interesting situation in a way | Mar 12 19:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | now | Mar 12 19:50 |
| razielle_tzu | oh? | Mar 12 19:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, got two venues for the event again next month, now, but can only go with one of course | Mar 12 19:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yes doing that event again next month | Mar 12 19:50 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Mar 12 19:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, where went before didn't reply untill earlier | Mar 12 19:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I emailed about 9 days ago | Mar 12 19:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, and I found out about a more central place and went on thursdya with my other gorup, so went with some of them there on saturday to see the place etc | Mar 12 19:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and that one is about as central as can get | Mar 12 19:51 |
| razielle_tzu | not bad | Mar 12 19:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, however, got a smaller space there, or as a base | Mar 12 19:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | much smaller base space | Mar 12 19:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and also been given less time offically, but thats also free | Mar 12 19:52 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 12 19:52 |
| razielle_tzu | i use the computer club room for small scale stuff | Mar 12 19:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, its a cofeee house, with a floor up stairs, so can probably move out a bit into it etc as well | Mar 12 19:52 |
| razielle_tzu | one of our sessions coming up is all about back-ups | Mar 12 19:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but at the back of that room, is this small meeting room | Mar 12 19:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, even with a load of marketting on facebook and such its probably still going to be qutie small really | Mar 12 19:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but I am a bit concerned if say 20 or 30 people turn up at the begining | Mar 12 19:53 |
| razielle_tzu | try doing it in villages rather than a town/city | Mar 12 19:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, we can only really have four people demoing things, since the small space | Mar 12 19:53 |
| razielle_tzu | then you'll see small scale :P | Mar 12 19:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the room itself they given us can fit the four demoers, plus a few or so visitors | Mar 12 19:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | 12 people in there at mos I Guess with a squeeze | Mar 12 19:54 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 12 19:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hats visitors or demoers | Mar 12 19:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, or could go with the otehr place, again, same day, longer time, but wtould be at a cost | Mar 12 19:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | thing is sure we had a bigger space, but hardly anyone actsaully came down from up stairs, with the coffee house well usaully students go there to study etc to that floor | Mar 12 19:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | with lap tops and yeah | Mar 12 19:55 |
| razielle_tzu | use whichever you think is more effecient | Mar 12 19:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, so should have some people already outside the room, who should come in for at least a bit of a look I guess | Mar 12 19:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well two of the other organisers think this newer place shoujld be better, since more centraal much more central | Mar 12 19:56 |
| razielle_tzu | you don't have to highlight me every other line | Mar 12 19:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | good cofee apparnatly to | Mar 12 19:56 |
| razielle_tzu | then go with the new place | Mar 12 19:56 |
| razielle_tzu | good drinks is IMPORTANT | Mar 12 19:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | h eh yeah this isn't #ubuntu was just in there a bit so | Mar 12 19:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | a coke was two pounds on Thursday | Mar 12 19:56 |
| razielle_tzu | for a pint of it? | Mar 12 19:56 |
| razielle_tzu | or only half? | Mar 12 19:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | nope a bottle in a glass with ice | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | spilled even | Mar 12 19:57 |
| razielle_tzu | o.O | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | my fruit tea, but a good size was two pounds 10 p | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that all seems a bit pricey to me to be honest | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but I dont tend to go to cofee houses | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | ok now I will, since will be going to this one a lot probably soon with my other group | Mar 12 19:57 |
| razielle_tzu | about £2 for a tea is about right | Mar 12 19:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | ok but not for a coke ? | Mar 12 19:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well maybe a coke as well | Mar 12 19:58 |
| razielle_tzu | nah, that's overpriced | Mar 12 19:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | in a place like that | Mar 12 19:58 |
| razielle_tzu | a coke should be around £1.50 | Mar 12 19:58 |
| razielle_tzu | unless it's close to a pint | Mar 12 19:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yep that sounds more like it, and maybe this was close toa pint, but probably more like a half or 500 mle bottle so | Mar 12 19:58 |
| razielle_tzu | a 500 ml bottle? definitely should have been closer to £1.50 | Mar 12 19:59 |
| razielle_tzu | at least it would be here :P | Mar 12 19:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah that coke seemed pricey | Mar 12 19:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | for what I actsually got | Mar 12 19:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but did spill some too! | Mar 12 19:59 |
| razielle_tzu | doesn't matter if you spilled some | Mar 12 19:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, on the oweners card machine ! hmm, ok no big deal, they cleared up | Mar 12 20:00 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | didnt no he was the owener at the time to o :d | Mar 12 20:00 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 12 20:00 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | appologized | Mar 12 20:00 |
| razielle_tzu | they're pretty water/fluid resistant usually | Mar 12 20:00 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well knocked it over a bit so | Mar 12 20:00 |
| razielle_tzu | usually bar 2 water resistant iirc | Mar 12 20:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | cajll the mid wife uh no thanks | Mar 12 20:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | i don't wnat to see this | Mar 12 20:01 |
| razielle_tzu | so don't watch it | Mar 12 20:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | someone put on record too | Mar 12 20:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | for my mum I Guess | Mar 12 20:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah about to have to get up to change hcannel or whateer | Mar 12 20:01 |
| razielle_tzu | heh | Mar 12 20:02 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, your meant to like this kind of stuff now :d | Mar 12 20:02 |
| razielle_tzu | i can no longer see the tv properly from my desk so if the sound is annyoing i just put on headphones | Mar 12 20:02 |
| razielle_tzu | i already liked call the midwife though | Mar 12 20:02 |
| razielle_tzu | it's a good show | Mar 12 20:02 |
| razielle_tzu | and based on memoirs of an actual midwife | Mar 12 20:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu well its for women mostly | Mar 12 20:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that kind of stuff | Mar 12 20:03 |
| razielle_tzu | not really | Mar 12 20:03 |
| razielle_tzu | it's just a drama | Mar 12 20:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | custome dramas uh | Mar 12 20:03 |
| razielle_tzu | i know a fwe guys that watch it | Mar 12 20:03 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | my mum likes them a lot though | Mar 12 20:03 |
| razielle_tzu | i prefer rugby or documentaries | Mar 12 20:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, anyway what happens if hte marketting is good | Mar 12 20:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and we get say 20 people turning up at the cafe | Mar 12 20:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | at the beggining ? | Mar 12 20:04 |
| razielle_tzu | then you're packed from the start | Mar 12 20:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah then our space our base space is too small | Mar 12 20:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | where these people going to go ? into the rest of the floor, where some students were studying? oh its no longer that quiet up there | Mar 12 20:05 |
| *razielle_tzu shrugs | Mar 12 20:05 | |
| razielle_tzu | students will usually put up with a lot at this point in the semester | Mar 12 20:05 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, thats the thing that worrys me a bi, another ugy is like don't worry about it | Mar 12 20:05 |
| razielle_tzu | it's not close enough to deadlines for them to be stressed out that much | Mar 12 20:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | sounded like on the phone, that we could go out into the cafe a bit etc anyway though | Mar 12 20:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but they might wan to bring us back into the bas space more, people back in if, yeah | Mar 12 20:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I had a call with a woman on friday to | Mar 12 20:06 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I guess its more money for htem thoguh, if we bring them like 20 people | Mar 12 20:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I guess they wioll see it that way | Mar 12 20:07 |
| razielle_tzu | yup | Mar 12 20:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | usaully people order stuff when going to a place like that so | Mar 12 20:07 |
| razielle_tzu | and the students /might/ be interested too | Mar 12 20:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah looked like had quite a few young windows and mac users, there on saturday | Mar 12 20:07 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, they apparnatly got some of the best wifi there as well if not like the best in a place like that | Mar 12 20:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | direct virgin media box he said basically, and then its not like going through lots of thick walls and such to or whatever he said | Mar 12 20:08 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Mar 12 20:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | where as in the other place, the wifi woudn't be that good | Mar 12 20:08 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Mar 12 20:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, thats the idea though to bring general pbulic in | Mar 12 20:09 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so whoever is there already etc | Mar 12 20:09 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, but going to market htis thig like before well better than before ! | Mar 12 20:09 |
| razielle_tzu | good | Mar 12 20:09 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | got to work on a new flyer text, so we can do flyers next week | Mar 12 20:09 |
| razielle_tzu | are you already posting about it without the posters on social media? | Mar 12 20:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | got to work on new facebook text to, so can start runing a paid add next week to, and untill day of event | Mar 12 20:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | then got people who will put flyers up around city | Mar 12 20:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well mentioend on the facebook page the like feed that an event is coming up a bit, but thats it so far reallly | Mar 12 20:10 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | its still not saying that a proper upcoming event is coming up soon, but it should realy, I guess can add or change descritpon later anyway, I don't remember quite from before | Mar 12 20:11 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, also I can get it into a loacl magazin hopefully this time, if early enough, and a few linux magazines even | Mar 12 20:11 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, should I mentoin in adveritsing that its a small space though ? | Mar 12 20:12 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | if we get too many its a issue | Mar 12 20:12 |
| razielle_tzu | maybe mention it on any FB posts and stuff but not on the posters/flyers | Mar 12 20:12 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yah the flyers and posters should link to the facebook | Mar 12 20:13 |
| razielle_tzu | can you generate a QR code for the page of the event? (i forget if FB allows that now or not) | Mar 12 20:15 |
| razielle_tzu | if you can stick that on the poster | Mar 12 20:15 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | whats a QR code ? | Mar 12 20:15 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, oh and is it ok showing a ubuntu tablet, with a few cracks here and there on the front at event, or should I have my guy really fix it for me, for like 50 pounds too | Mar 12 20:18 |
| razielle_tzu | if it's for demoing things i'd get it fixed.. | Mar 12 20:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah I guess it looks a bit bad, oh techei guy, and hes got some dmage on his tablet ! | Mar 12 20:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well its my main device now | Mar 12 20:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that and my ubuntu phone | Mar 12 20:19 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, its like a crack going across the screen on thecenre to right top | Mar 12 20:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and some stuf on the bezel some damgae there to | Mar 12 20:20 |
| razielle_tzu | get it fixed or use something else as a demo piece | Mar 12 20:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well I only got one ubuntu tablet | Mar 12 20:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so | Mar 12 20:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I hadn't got rid of some of my perosnal stuff in time yestrday so didn't give then | Mar 12 20:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but in like two weeks I should relaly | Mar 12 20:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when should be meeting again etc | Mar 12 20:21 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 12 20:22 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, factory re set it, and he can have he code this time to fix screen even | Mar 12 20:22 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to test screen better | Mar 12 20:22 |
| razielle_tzu | good idea, personally i'd do it myself but yeah... not everyone is up for that | Mar 12 20:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, fixing a tablet? | Mar 12 20:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I got onto a guide thing the toher week | Mar 12 20:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but yeah thers this and that invovled and glueing etc | Mar 12 20:25 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Mar 12 20:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and then yep can replace a screen | Mar 12 20:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and so on | Mar 12 20:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the outter glass | Mar 12 20:25 |
| razielle_tzu | i've rebuilt a few android phones, tablets and of course actual computers over the years but never just replacing glass | Mar 12 20:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | same with him | Mar 12 20:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | he has a business doing this kind of stuff | Mar 12 20:26 |
| razielle_tzu | i've had to do the entire digitizer though | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well its a just him business | Mar 12 20:26 |
| razielle_tzu | i do it freelance, nothing official | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yes he replaced the digitizer when I gave him my i pad air back in like december | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that he had lareayd fixed one before | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | fell again dogs etc | Mar 12 20:26 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when it fell | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the side went off though | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | down the side | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | makes me wonder how good his job really was ! | Mar 12 20:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, hence being a bit reluctant to just give him this ubuntu tablet to fix as well | Mar 12 20:27 |
| razielle_tzu | ipads are a bitch to do properly if you're not in an apple repair shop | Mar 12 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but uhmm | Mar 12 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, why since non standard parts ? | Mar 12 20:27 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Mar 12 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I guess a bq table should be easier then | Mar 12 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | since its just a andorid tablet really | Mar 12 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I just happen to have it with other software instead thats all | Mar 12 20:27 |
| razielle_tzu | yup | Mar 12 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but yeah for the ipad he probably got some part off ebaby or wahtever | Mar 12 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | in fact I think he did | Mar 12 20:28 |
| razielle_tzu | i would have too | Mar 12 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | now then a linux lap top case | Mar 12 20:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | theres a sale toil mid night on some site zabble whatever it was | Mar 12 20:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | they got unoffical mageia t-shirts and such too | Mar 12 20:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, my hp case is some where but the zip is borken really | Mar 12 20:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | would be nice to bring my lap top along next time, in a linuxey case as well I am thinking | Mar 12 20:30 |
| razielle_tzu | any laptop case can be turned to a linuxy one with stickers and drawings | Mar 12 20:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | think I got a big enough bag now as well to possibly, put in a 15 inch lap top, plus remix os ultra table, and ubuntu tablet, without having to worry too much but hmm | Mar 12 20:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well yeah true can put stickers on things | Mar 12 20:31 |
| razielle_tzu | or if you're good at it and patient... embroidery with logos and stuff | Mar 12 20:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I think thts what tthey done | Mar 12 20:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | put some logo on some already exisitng case probably | Mar 12 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | then selling that | Mar 12 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I don't have as much money currently for things since ah! | Mar 12 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, but got money back on pay pal that was nice | Mar 12 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | only some but yeah | Mar 12 20:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | actsually 81 pounds is quite a bit | Mar 12 20:33 |
| razielle_tzu | i don't even have that right now | Mar 12 20:33 |
| razielle_tzu | until friday anyway | Mar 12 20:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | what do you mean? | Mar 12 20:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, they cut your money too? | Mar 12 20:34 |
| razielle_tzu | nah, just overspent due to unexpected changes to direct debits | Mar 12 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | oh | Mar 12 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, pm me | Mar 12 20:35 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: urgent | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I need help | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | got a link re | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | upc prediction for march 7th? | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I am going to show how their predictions are BS | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ping pint | Mar 12 20:40 |
| schestowitz | *ping ping | Mar 12 20:40 |
| razielle_tzu | a pint sounds good though schestowitz | Mar 12 20:42 |
| schestowitz | cheers mate | Mar 12 20:47 |
| razielle_tzu | :) | Mar 12 20:47 |
| razielle_tzu | what you having? | Mar 12 20:48 |
| razielle_tzu | bitter, ale, lager, stout? | Mar 12 20:50 |
| razielle_tzu | :P | Mar 12 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Hate them all | Mar 12 20:52 |
| schestowitz | I prefer cider, not as fattening either | Mar 12 20:52 |
| razielle_tzu | fair enough | Mar 12 20:52 |
| razielle_tzu | i like ales and bitters but prefer wines and spirits atm | Mar 12 20:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz razielle_tzu I like cider | Mar 12 20:54 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, if you're around.... | Mar 13 07:41 |
| cubexyz | have you any experience with intersecting wifi fields? | Mar 13 07:41 |
| cubexyz | I'm thinking of running 2.4 ghz with 5 ghz in the same house | Mar 13 07:42 |
| cubexyz | no idea if it will be a problem or not | Mar 13 07:42 |
| cubexyz | I seem to remember wave interference in physics class | Mar 13 07:43 |
| cubexyz | of course I don't really much now :-/ | Mar 13 07:43 |
| cubexyz | remember much | Mar 13 07:43 |
| cubexyz | they talk about channels... | Mar 13 07:46 |
| cubexyz | e.g. 2.4 ghz wifi has 14 channels | Mar 13 07:46 |
| cubexyz | did you know lead paint can be a problem? | Mar 13 07:48 |
| cubexyz | it shields the radio signals | Mar 13 07:48 |
| cubexyz | the new stuff like 802.11ac uses 5 ghz exclusively | Mar 13 07:50 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I am in a house with iron in the brickwork. That messes with anything wifi you attempt to use. | Mar 13 07:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: using 2.4ghz and 5ghz at the same time in wifi is normally ok | Mar 13 07:54 |
| cubexyz | ok, good | Mar 13 07:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: lead paint don't think that would effected it much. Lead is not exactly the best thing in the world to block radio signals with. | Mar 13 07:55 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Lead it not the best thing in 2.4 or 5ghz signal zones. And lead paint is not that strong in lead. | Mar 13 07:57 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: lead sheet would be another matter. | Mar 13 07:57 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: biggest issue with wifi is if you have stacks of other people around you using it. | Mar 13 08:00 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: the bricks here used a iron oxide for the red colour. Those are true nightmares for wifi. | Mar 13 08:01 |
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| MinceR | modified | Mar 13 19:43 |
| MinceR | the joke was pretty much the same, but with different texts | Mar 13 19:43 |
| MinceR | comments have a link to the original version | Mar 13 19:43 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/oLoQd | Mar 13 19:49 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/6t9dCnb.jpg | Mar 13 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: wtf? | Mar 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | not sure who I feel worse for... | Mar 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | child abuse of animal abuse | Mar 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | maybe daddy was a butcher | Mar 13 20:42 |
| MinceR | re which pic? | Mar 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | the one which looks like sheep or pig | Mar 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | with a baby in it | Mar 13 20:44 |
| MinceR | i doubt that animal feels anything at that point | Mar 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NTechlibre/status/841394608277970944 | Mar 13 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NTechlibre: @zoobab @schestowitz They use the troll money to buy WAPO embedded ads, it appears. | Mar 13 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | (qualcomm) | Mar 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LeftiesExposed/status/841398326952108032 https://twitter.com/atSwell/status/841398417913966592 | Mar 13 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LeftiesExposed: @schestowitz @ManUtd errrr there are no replays. | Mar 13 21:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@atSwell: @schestowitz @ManUtd There's no replay 😂 | Mar 13 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | Oh, my bad. Not good. | Mar 13 21:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_nickwebber/status/841398444233224192 | Mar 13 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_nickwebber: @schestowitz @ManUtd they're doing a new rule where they do extra time and pens now | Mar 13 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I didn't know | Mar 13 21:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841403688509947904 | Mar 13 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz @ManUtd And @paulpogba | Mar 13 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | He doesn't seem to do much. | Mar 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841404439588147202 | Mar 13 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz @ManUtd @paulpogba He can't do much. And that's that! | Mar 13 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | More haircuts than assists and goals | Mar 13 21:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MattAnsell3/status/841405169480925185 | Mar 13 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MattAnsell3: @schestowitz @ManUtd and Paul pogba | Mar 13 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ajipson10/status/841405377111588864 | Mar 13 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ajipson10: @schestowitz @TheKenroyJacobs @ManUtd @paulpogba he always flop in big matches.... | Mar 13 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | At least he didn't cost 0.1 billion pounds or something... | Mar 13 21:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841405673229414401 | Mar 13 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @Ajipson10 @schestowitz @ManUtd @paulpogba It's a sad sad situation. | Mar 13 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841406356968087555 | Mar 13 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz @Ajipson10 @ManUtd @paulpogba T shirt sales basically | Mar 13 21:52 | |
| schestowitz | Time for for United to focus on winning the Europa League & getting top 4 position for CL next week. Both doable | Mar 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841407879957626882 | Mar 13 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz They'll need to win the @EuropaLeague. They aren't finishing fourth. | Mar 13 21:58 | |
| schestowitz | very close to Arsenal and Liv, which have had a spotty record of late | Mar 13 21:58 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/ThkHA | Mar 13 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheKenroyJacobs/status/841408446620696577 | Mar 13 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheKenroyJacobs: @schestowitz With performances like tonight and the kind of fixtures coming up. I doubt it. | Mar 13 22:01 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Mar 14 01:07 | |
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| agent725 | Hello all! | Mar 14 08:49 |
| agent725 | While reading LXER I stumbled on an article by schestowitz about Microsoft. | Mar 14 08:49 |
| agent725 | So I decided to drop in for a chat. | Mar 14 08:50 |
| agent725 | I'm founder of the Internet of Coins project. What has me a bit worried is the fact that the Linux foundation is doing a blockchain project called Hyperledger, but that Microsoft had earlier joined the Linux foundation. | Mar 14 08:52 |
| agent725 | Soon payment standards will be influenced by MS. Not something I'm particularly looking forward to. | Mar 14 08:52 |
| agent725 | Source: http://thehackernews.com/2016/11/microsoft-linux-foundation.html | Mar 14 08:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Microsoft Joins The Linux Foundation — Turns Love Affair Into a Relationship [ http://ur1.ca/qmw3l ] | Mar 14 08:55 | |
| agent725 | Our project: https://coinstorm.net | Mar 14 08:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coinstorm.net | Internet of Coins | Mar 14 08:55 | |
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| oiaohm | http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ioquake3-Security-Update old software causing strangeness. | Mar 14 09:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ioquake3 Pushes Out Important Security Update - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/qmwam ] | Mar 14 09:05 | |
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| schestowitz | [08:52] <agent725> Soon payment standards will be influenced by MS. Not something I'm particularly looking forward to. | Mar 14 09:25 |
| schestowitz | yes, not surprising | Mar 14 09:25 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft had earlier joined the Linux foundation." | Mar 14 09:25 |
| schestowitz | I'd say, Linux Foundation joined Microsoft :-) | Mar 14 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Joined the b0rg | Mar 14 09:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not too shocking | Mar 14 09:25 |
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| schestowitz | "[use the png, if you like]" | Mar 14 09:31 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Mar 14 10:51 | |
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| MinceR | 14 102526 < schestowitz> I'd say, Linux Foundation joined Microsoft :-) | Mar 14 15:36 |
| MinceR | this | Mar 14 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: :) | Mar 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | iophk came up with it, iirc | Mar 14 18:49 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/LclGBFw.gifv (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/NC17a ) | Mar 14 20:04 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/thoughtland/status/841190579333660673 | Mar 14 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@thoughtland: Liam Fox: "I didn't tweet that". While sitting in front of it (here it is: https://t.co/t0B7iao5X0) https://t.co/Lnetd2X9mm Gormless. | Mar 14 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LiamFoxMP: "The United Kingdom, is one of the few countries in the European Union that does not need to bury its 20th century history" #scc16 | Mar 14 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AngrySalmond: Liam Fox denies sending controversial tweet while sitting in front of a giant picture of it. https://t.co/TARGC0qLgu | Mar 14 20:29 | |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/t4Jr9qO.jpg | Mar 14 20:38 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/BhysDJb.jpg | Mar 14 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | I say "soda" when I mean "soda". | Mar 14 21:34 |
| MinceR | NaOH? | Mar 14 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: NaHCO3 | Mar 14 21:35 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 21:35 |
| MinceR | i tend to use the actual brand names | Mar 14 21:35 |
| MinceR | i'd have to think what i'd refer to them as in general | Mar 14 21:35 |
| MinceR | probably "carbonated drinks" or something like that | Mar 14 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I wouldn't advise drinking NaHCO3'd drinks %). | Mar 14 21:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 21:36 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't advise drinking drinks with a significant amount of NaOH in themeither | Mar 14 21:37 |
| MinceR | s/eme/em e/ | Mar 14 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, it's all variations of sodium. | Mar 14 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | Food soda is NaHCO3, so that's the most commonly referred one. | Mar 14 21:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | I'm really not sure why would anyone call CO2-enriched drinks "soda". | Mar 14 21:39 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 14 21:39 |
| MinceR | i'm also not sure why anyone would call non-coke soft drinks "coke" | Mar 14 21:40 |
| MinceR | and yet... | Mar 14 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe it's like coke to them. | Mar 14 21:40 |
| MinceR | (javascript) http://popvssoda.com/ | Mar 14 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popvssoda.com | The Pop vs. Soda Page | Mar 14 21:40 | |
| XRevan86 | Some very old-school Russians call them "lemonade" :). | Mar 14 21:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 14 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | Haven't heard that in a while but it was around. | Mar 14 21:42 |
| MinceR | someone even calls them "horse salive" | Mar 14 21:42 |
| MinceR | s/ive/iva/ | Mar 14 21:42 |
| MinceR | (it's one word in hungarian, though) | Mar 14 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Is there a thing with saliva in Hungary? :) | Mar 14 21:43 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 14 21:43 |
| MinceR | if you mean a drink that contains that, most likely not | Mar 14 21:43 |
| MinceR | it's just people's disdain for something that doesn't harm you that much | Mar 14 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, if such an idiom came to be then maybe there's something to it. | Mar 14 21:43 |
| MinceR | because it doesn't contain any organic solvents | Mar 14 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not sure what you mean. | Mar 14 21:45 |
| MinceR | ethanol | Mar 14 21:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah. | Mar 14 21:45 |
| MinceR | self-harm is expected of all "adult"s | Mar 14 21:46 |
| MinceR | the "other" answers on popvssoda.com are mostly random crap :D | Mar 14 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | I usually don't drink pop/soda/etc drinks, preferring tea or juice. | Mar 14 21:47 |
| MinceR | same for me | Mar 14 21:47 |
| MinceR | or filtered tap water | Mar 14 21:47 |
| MinceR | or uncarbonated mineral/spring water | Mar 14 21:47 |
| MinceR | or (more rarely) coffee | Mar 14 21:48 |
| XRevan86 | carbonated water is the worst for my taste | Mar 14 21:48 |
| MinceR | yeah, i don't like that either | Mar 14 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if people tend to count kvass as pop/soda :). | Mar 14 21:50 |
| MinceR | though it does manage to quench my thirst, surprisingly :> | Mar 14 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | (kvass selled in shops is CO2'd) | Mar 14 21:50 |
| MinceR | i'm guessing russians don't and others do | Mar 14 21:50 |
| MinceR | (since it has a low level of ethanol in it) | Mar 14 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | Having a low level of ethanol has an effect on being counted as pop/soda? :) | Mar 14 21:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-14232970 | Mar 14 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russia classifies beer as alcoholic - BBC News | Mar 14 21:53 | |
| MinceR | apparently it was changed a few years ago | Mar 14 21:53 |
| XRevan86 | Well, beer is alcoholic. | Mar 14 21:54 |
| MinceR | yes, but it wasn't classified as such in russia until 2011 | Mar 14 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I didn't know that %). | Mar 14 21:54 |
| MinceR | i only seemed to recall because i saw one of the reports on this | Mar 14 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | Kvass is not considered alcoholic. I was wondering if pop/soda can only be a big branded thing like cola and stuff. | Mar 14 21:55 |
| MinceR | well, there are small cola brands | Mar 14 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | By the definition of being CO2'd it is that :). | Mar 14 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If I'm telling somebody I'm drinking pop and then say it's specifically Baikal, will that be in any way unexpected? %) | Mar 14 21:59 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Mar 14 21:59 |
| MinceR | apparently even usians are sometimes unaware of the soft drink terminology being different in other parts of the usa | Mar 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/9772801/Beer-to-become-alcohol-in-Russia-on-New-Years-Day.html | Mar 14 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Beer to become 'alcohol' in Russia on New Year's Day - Telegraph | Mar 14 22:01 | |
| XRevan86 | Does that mean kids could buy beer before 2011?… | Mar 14 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | This is hard to believe. | Mar 14 22:01 |
| MinceR | i suspect it does | Mar 14 22:01 |
| MinceR | but i don't live in russia and i'm not a lawyer :> | Mar 14 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | And I never tried %). | Mar 14 22:01 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/zklvI6L.jpg | Mar 14 22:05 |
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| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/1807/ | Mar 14 23:24 |
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| Discoman | Good morning | Mar 15 05:47 |
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| lnicopl | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juNAzuE3M1M | Mar 15 06:03 |
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| gde33 | https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5zhtk8/i_make_a_fake_news_aggregator_so_you_dont_have_to | Mar 15 07:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I make a "Fake news" aggregator so you don't have to : The_Donald | Mar 15 07:06 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 15 07:42 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: weird | Mar 15 08:49 |
| schestowitz | the faces thing | Mar 15 08:50 |
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| MinceR | it's a face swap between a human and a resuscitation practice dummy | Mar 15 10:59 |
| MinceR | the human has a pretty unrealistic face though :> | Mar 15 11:00 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/80c67eG.jpg | Mar 15 11:12 |
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| MinceR | https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/15/theresa-may-dragging-uk-under-scotland-must-cut-rope | Mar 15 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Theresa May is dragging the UK under. This time Scotland must cut the rope | George Monbiot | Opinion | The Guardian | Mar 15 11:35 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/9SdnfsP.jpg | Mar 15 12:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 15 12:15 |
| schestowitz | x http://www.pcworld.com/article/3179675/windows/microsoft-teams-what-to-expect-if-your-company-switches.html | Mar 15 12:15 |
| schestowitz | what to expect? expect failure and expense. | Mar 15 12:15 |
| schestowitz | - | Mar 15 12:15 |
| schestowitz | x http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3006487/microsoft-teams-slack-wannabe-now-available-to-all-office-365-users | Mar 15 12:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Teams: What to expect if your company switches | PCWorld | Mar 15 12:15 | |
| schestowitz | - | Mar 15 12:15 |
| schestowitz | x https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/microsofts-teams-is-an-almost-excellent-slack-killer-and-its-now-live-for-o365/ | Mar 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | lots of spam for their attack on IRC (aka Slack) | Mar 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | - | Mar 15 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net | Microsoft Teams: Slack wannabe now available to all Office 365 users | TheINQUIRER | Mar 15 12:16 | |
| schestowitz | x http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/14/14920892/microsoft-teams-interview-behind-the-scenes-slack-competition | Mar 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | time to point out, again, that it is gunning for IRC | Mar 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 15 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft’s Teams is almost an excellent Slack-killer, and it’s now live for O365 | Ars Technica | Mar 15 12:16 | |
| schestowitz | So much MS spam... | Mar 15 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | How Microsoft built its Slack competitor - The Verge | Mar 15 12:16 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: context might make it funnier | Mar 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | maybe someone saying Microsoft is still evil | Mar 15 12:16 |
| zoobab | hi | Mar 15 13:06 |
| zoobab | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/841984920113315840 | Mar 15 13:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: Some ways in which the UK might get round its UPC CJEU problem are clearly identifiable here. https://t.co/0WhAlKM8Ap | Mar 15 13:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.lawgazette.co.uk | CJEU will be kept out of new patent regime, legal academics say | News | Law Society Gazette | Mar 15 13:07 | |
| zoobab | https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/cjeu-will-be-kept-out-of-new-patent-regime-legal-academics-say/5060225.article | Mar 15 13:07 |
| MinceR | http://zenpencils.com/comic/spirit/ | Mar 15 13:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zenpencils.com | ZEN PENCILS » 186. My spirit is a roaring sea | Mar 15 13:28 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: hi | Mar 15 13:46 |
| schestowitz | thanks, saw that, responded | Mar 15 13:46 |
| schestowitz | not sure why he wrote such an article | Mar 15 13:46 |
| schestowitz | and it's hard to say what he ISN'T covering about this event | Mar 15 13:47 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://techrights.org/2017/03/15/unitary-patent-news-is-fake/ | Mar 15 13:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Examples of Fake News About the Unitary Patent (UPC), Courtesy of Patent Law Firms Looking to Prey on Gullible SMEs | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/qn4ov ] | Mar 15 13:48 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Mar 15 20:42 | |
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| MinceR | (possibly unsettling imagery) http://i.imgur.com/Ny3dNvO.gifv | Mar 15 22:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Jim Beam is helping | Mar 15 22:38 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: WTF | Mar 15 22:39 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 15 22:39 |
| *XRevan86 is unsettled. | Mar 15 22:39 | |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 15 22:40 |
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| razielle_tzu | hai SebthreeBQM10HD | Mar 16 09:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, hi | Mar 16 09:37 |
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| DaemonFC | So, there's two new things going on with Windows 10 that caught my attention. | Mar 16 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | The first thing is that there's a nag screen in the April update that warns you about installing a local software package. Spooky language designed to make you feel like you're certainly going to get malware if you do. | Mar 16 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | The Win32 API is still fully available to apps in the Windows Store, but Microsoft has ultimate say over what's there and has the same "commission" of 30% that Apple takes. | Mar 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | hi DaemonFC | Mar 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I want to show you something | Mar 16 18:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/842431338502213633 | Mar 16 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: When Windows 10 ( #Vista10) does things without so much as a by-your-leave. https://t.co/SB6BPd3BwF https://t.co/bPyYmfcuLe | Mar 16 18:09 | |
| DaemonFC | I have a feeling that the "choice" to disable the nag screen or click through it is transitioning for a mandatory Windows Store later. | Mar 16 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: Absolutely the last OS one should run when a quick restart is required. It never even asked if I wanted to update.… https://t.co/SnLRM4OXi9 | Mar 16 18:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: When Windows 10 ( #Vista10) does things without so much as a by-your-leave. https://t.co/SB6BPd3BwF https://t.co/bPyYmfcuLe | Mar 16 18:10 | |
| schestowitz | This was posted a short while ago | Mar 16 18:10 |
| schestowitz | mind the tag | Mar 16 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Then, they have a new update scheduling mechanism that says "Windows is a service and to keep getting this service, you are required to install updates.". | Mar 16 18:10 |
| cubexyz | you have no control... | Mar 16 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's no longer an operating system. It's a "service". | Mar 16 18:10 |
| cubexyz | just like with modern PVRs | Mar 16 18:10 |
| schestowitz | or some routers from an ISP | Mar 16 18:11 |
| schestowitz | like BT's | Mar 16 18:11 |
| schestowitz | but DaemonFC | Mar 16 18:11 |
| schestowitz | see the above | Mar 16 18:11 |
| schestowitz | is this related to it? | Mar 16 18:11 |
| schestowitz | MS imposing its 'free' upgrade again | Mar 16 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, there is no option to shut down or restart without upgrading if an upgrade is available. | Mar 16 18:11 |
| cubexyz | I own my own DSL modem and router though | Mar 16 18:11 |
| cubexyz | and use Toronto Free-net... so I do have quite a lot of control | Mar 16 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | It spends a lot of time installing it, and it's painful even if you have a really fast SSD. | Mar 16 18:12 |
| cubexyz | well everybody I've talked to disliked win10 | Mar 16 18:12 |
| schestowitz | but are they pushing people to Vista10? | Mar 16 18:12 |
| cubexyz | that says enough for me | Mar 16 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Or is this for existing useds [sic]? | Mar 16 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | There's some practical advantages to forced upgrades, but that still doesn't make them right, and Microsoft will use them to slip in poison pills that people would've just rejected before. | Mar 16 18:13 |
| schestowitz | obviously | Mar 16 18:13 |
| schestowitz | google does this too | Mar 16 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, No, they stopped the nags for earlier Windows versions when the free upgrade offer expired. | Mar 16 18:13 |
| schestowitz | I guess it makes Microsoft feel like, "hey, if Google does it..." | Mar 16 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | But the free upgrade never went away, really. | Mar 16 18:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ok | Mar 16 18:13 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-botch-up.txt | Mar 16 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | You can still go to a web page and say "I need this update because I use accessibility features." | Mar 16 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | They never check to see if you do, it just generates an upgrade license then and there and doesn't bill you anything. | Mar 16 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | So, they left the back door to free upgrades open. The official end was to stop them from trickling off and having news articles saying that they couldn't even give it away after several months. | Mar 16 18:14 |
| cubexyz | I'd never run a non-FOSS OS | Mar 16 18:15 |
| cubexyz | even non-FOSS BIOS is a bit dubious | Mar 16 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 and 8.1 have a new upgrade system though, and it works like Windows 10. | Mar 16 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | The only way to avoid it is to install a clean copy and then all the updates up until the point where the new upgrade system was available, and then you're basically running Windows 7 with no security patches past last year. | Mar 16 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | So, MSFT did this to make people who were conservative about what updates to install say "Screw it. Might as well use Windows 10.". | Mar 16 18:17 |
| schestowitz | more enterprises will look at alternatives | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | inc crhome os I guess | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | it's malware too, but based on FOSS | Mar 16 18:18 |
| cubexyz | it's really happening now | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | and WIndows is even worse malware | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | see market share stats | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Windows at 37% for Web traffic | Mar 16 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | MSFT can't get updates to be reliable because they are not Apple. Apple has this thing where they only ever really support maybe 30-35 configurations of Macs at once. | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | and they'd have you believe 95%+ | Mar 16 18:18 |
| schestowitz | (they=Microsoft) | Mar 16 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | Once they're over 3-4 years old, you go into the store to have it worked on and the employees actually shame you for having something "that old". | Mar 16 18:19 |
| cubexyz | ha | Mar 16 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, other options, which is one of the reasons I went after Lenovo so aggressively. | Mar 16 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | What if MSFT cuts off Lenovo laptops from new updates in 4-5 years, but your computer is still going to work for another 4-5 years? | Mar 16 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | If it can't run another OS, that's a computer in the garbage that was only middle-aged, mechanically. | Mar 16 18:20 |
| cubexyz | one of my customers likes to brag about his TV from 1972 :) | Mar 16 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | It also gives people an out if Windows becomes intolerable for them. | Mar 16 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Well, old drivers eventually get removed from Linux too, but by the time even Fedora starts dropping them, they're like 10-12 years old and haven't been properly maintained in a while. | Mar 16 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously, you can just use CentOS or Ubuntu LTS and milk a few more years past that if you really want to. | Mar 16 18:22 |
| cubexyz | I still run FC1 24/7 | Mar 16 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Intel has not been particularly forthcoming about how their newer hardware works. | Mar 16 18:22 |
| cubexyz | augmented of course :) | Mar 16 18:22 |
| cubexyz | which drivers has linux retired? | Mar 16 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | They released documentation about the RAID controller on the Skylake/Kaby Lake platform, as spillover from my fight with Lenovo. | Mar 16 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Old 3dFX stuff. Really old Intel integrated graphics from like 2003. | Mar 16 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What really pisses me off is how politically correct and non-offensive the kernel maintainers tend to be. To the point where it's offensively non-offensive. | Mar 16 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | Like, they were moaning about not getting that documentation and stuff for an entire YEAR and then I ruffle some feathers and Intel releases that and driver code a few weeks later. | Mar 16 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | Then MJG goes back to saying it was really the fault of the Linux maintainers for not supporting something that was 100% secret. | Mar 16 18:25 |
| cubexyz | Torvalds isn't non-offensive :) | Mar 16 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | How could they support something that has almost a hundred pages of documents that are basically classified by Intel? | Mar 16 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | The only other way I can see them doing it is maybe if one of them buys the product and then spends months or even a year reverse engineering it just for the hell of it because it amuses them, getting things wrong the entire way, and then maybe you get a driver that has data corrupting bugs in it. | Mar 16 18:27 |
| MinceR | 16 191002 < DaemonFC> I have a feeling that the "choice" to disable the nag screen or click through it is transitioning for a mandatory Windows Store later. | Mar 16 18:28 |
| MinceR | macos is doing the same | Mar 16 18:28 |
| MinceR | https://forums.xonotic.org/showthread.php?tid=6748 | Mar 16 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.xonotic.org | macOS Sierra: -basedir /path/to/game | Mar 16 18:28 | |
| MinceR | breaking applications that don't pay the tax | Mar 16 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | Interacting with the storage controller is something that you really have to get right or else people who go to use that driver might have data corruption at any time or place. | Mar 16 18:28 |
| cubexyz | 2.4.22 still had 3dfx driver I think | Mar 16 18:28 |
| cubexyz | never used it myself though | Mar 16 18:28 |
| MinceR | i'd like to not hate winblows and macos so much, but it's impossible when they keep pulling shit like this | Mar 16 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, tdfx driver was still in the 3.x branch up to a point. | Mar 16 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | Not sure when the kernel dropped it. I think Fedora 20 did, but it was still in the mainline kernel at that point. | Mar 16 18:29 |
| cubexyz | on really old hardware I'd just use old software (usually) | Mar 16 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | 3dfx is really bad hardware though. | Mar 16 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | It never had a full hardware implementation of any level of OpenGL. | Mar 16 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | It supported a small subset that could be implemented in late 90s consumer graphics cards. | Mar 16 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | That pared down API was called Glide. | Mar 16 18:30 |
| cubexyz | I think 3dfx interactive went defunct long ago... 2002 I think | Mar 16 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | It did. Nvidia bought them. | Mar 16 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | No, the hardware never even had a Windows XP driver. | Mar 16 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | None of it did. The Windows XP support was available through a BETA driver that leaked that was intended for Windows 2000. | Mar 16 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | The 3dfx cards used a pass through system that made use of onboard graphics as a framebuffer. That's what you were actually using when you weren't using an application that used Glide or (really awful) DirectX support (in the beta driver near the end of life). | Mar 16 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | The cards had no accelerated 2D graphics support. | Mar 16 18:33 |
| cubexyz | Riva TNT2 is the oldest card I still use, not counting the 486 which isn't really working now | Mar 16 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | Man, I got totally blindsided by that stock rally after the Fed RAISED rates. | Mar 16 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | That's just so counterintuitive that it simply can't go on. | Mar 16 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | It's no longer reacting based on reality. The US stock market is now a cult of personality responding to conservatives dumping huge amounts of money into it because they like Donald Trump. | Mar 16 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | The problem is that reality has to happen sooner or later, and all of this money that is pouring in now will pour out/vanish at some point relatively quickly (a matter of days). | Mar 16 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | I see a recession of some kind happening within the next 6-12 months. | Mar 16 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | I sold all of our stocks on March 1st at their all time high and purchased government debt to hold on for a while. | Mar 16 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | My hope is that while investors are throwing themselves out and turning into pavement pizza, that at least our gains are preserved. | Mar 16 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'll buy back into the market after the crash. The rest of the central banks in the world seem to have taken a lesson from Japan that deflationary recessions are something to be avoided at all costs. | Mar 16 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | This stupid Thrift Savings Plan forces me to put fully a quarter of my investments into stocks in Japan if I want to get into international markets. | Mar 16 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | The upside to it is that we get access to a bond fund that pays out the interest rate on the ten year US Treasury Note and matures every day, so I can get the money back out whenever I want. | Mar 16 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | The downside is that the Republicans are controlling the entire government now and there's no evidence that they'll respond to a crisis. They have a history of not only bringing about recessions, but also sitting there doing nothing while things get worse. | Mar 16 18:46 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/934hfAo.gifv | Mar 16 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Droids interrupt Darth Vader Interview | Mar 16 18:49 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/cOUGAu5.gifv | Mar 16 19:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | flight of the sugar glider | Mar 16 19:01 | |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/842422435374866432?ref_src=twsrc^tfw | Mar 16 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NatashaBertrand: Mike Flynn was paid 11k to work for a Russian cybersecurity company while he still had top-secret level security cl… https://t.co/dJiWBbnXIQ | Mar 16 19:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NatashaBertrand: Mike Flynn was paid 11k to work for a Russian cybersecurity company while he still had top-secret level security cl… https://t.co/dJiWBbnXIQ | Mar 16 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: wow | Mar 16 19:30 |
| cubexyz | I got two wifis now :) | Mar 16 19:53 |
| cubexyz | seems to work OK | Mar 16 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I read that as wives | Mar 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe you ARE a little Amish after all :-) | Mar 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to repair and reuse an old tablet right now | Mar 16 19:56 |
| cubexyz | hurray for repairing :) | Mar 16 20:00 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/sGa9Ijk.png (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/aZeS0 ) | Mar 16 20:33 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, John got some passengers coming through the airport with state IDs with no picture on them. | Mar 16 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Amish.... | Mar 16 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | They had to get extra screening because of it. | Mar 16 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/16/investing/wells-fargo-gender-gap-bank/index.html | Mar 16 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com | Women financial advisers at Wells Fargo 27% more likely to lose their job: study - Mar. 16, 2017 | Mar 16 21:27 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/HbMhiKb.png (sauce: https://imgur.com/gallery/SYOKM ) | Mar 16 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This had to be a repost, but I've only just seen it... - Album on Imgur | Mar 16 21:56 | |
| MinceR | http://img.memecdn.com/leopard-got-style_o_811034.jpg | Mar 16 22:04 |
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| patentaki | Like...his greek tyrant friend Serafeim Stasinos- used to "represent" greece in the Finance nd Budget Comittee of EPO, while in his country had no insitutional position!!!! just by being Beny's friend | Mar 17 09:23 |
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| schestowitz | Dutch Parl cites not one but TWO (out of a total of 3) El Reg articles (English text): The EPO's Abuses and Claims of Immunity From Prosecution Increasingly Fracture the Dutch Establishment http://techrights.org/2017/03/17/dutch-epo-immunity/ | Mar 17 15:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Abuses and Claims of Immunity From Prosecution Increasingly Fracture the Dutch Establishment | Techrights | Mar 17 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | We're making a MASSIVE difference now, politically too | Mar 17 15:36 |
| schestowitz | The days of EPO management are numbered | Mar 17 15:36 |
| schestowitz | then we can get back to other things | Mar 17 15:36 |
| MinceR | nice | Mar 17 15:46 |
| schestowitz | El Reg is fed by us | Mar 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | and admits it | Mar 17 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/8969234 | Mar 17 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Washed away https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_1722920889f2e3709a6a.jpg | Mar 17 17:36 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/63YCg.gif | Mar 17 17:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: animal abuse | Mar 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | for "likes" | Mar 17 18:10 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/LAMbdpc.gifv (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/KNjPg ) | Mar 17 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | HMC so I can show you the dance of my people... | Mar 17 18:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Let me show you the dance of my people... - Album on Imgur | Mar 17 18:48 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/3hZZZuu.gifv (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/J1bh9 ) | Mar 17 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Determination | Mar 17 19:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wasted Guy Vs Flip Flop - Album on Imgur | Mar 17 19:11 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: ha | Mar 17 20:19 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 17 20:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, ping | Mar 17 20:20 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz ping | Mar 17 20:20 |
| *razielle_tzu pongs | Mar 17 20:27 | |
| schestowitz | 0/ | Mar 17 20:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | both of you perfect | Mar 17 20:28 |
| razielle_tzu | i wouldn't say perfect but i try | Mar 17 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, schestowitz I am thinking about putting something up maybe on facebook, on my like articles etc page, for event | Mar 17 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | about the company who owns mercedz benz, joinig a anti patents organisation | Mar 17 20:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but then again I am trying to aim that page, at average people ewho mght get on it, so anything patents is going to be a bit uh really? | Mar 17 20:29 |
| razielle_tzu | you might be better just linking to some of schestowitz' stuff or creating a blog post somewhere that references it and explains things | Mar 17 20:30 |
| razielle_tzu | but i wouldn't know i don't create event pages on FB | Mar 17 20:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, well this is just the general feed really, for the event | Mar 17 20:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | soon will have another event page as well, since got an upcoming event | Mar 17 20:31 |
| razielle_tzu | i barely do anything on the group page for the computer club i run nevermind keeping an event feed active | Mar 17 20:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, schestowitz 's some of it is to much I think, unless into this stuff | Mar 17 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, sure but I am wanting to build this thing up, make it bigger | Mar 17 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | run two of these a year | Mar 17 20:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | etc | Mar 17 20:32 |
| razielle_tzu | i'm still not the person to ask about social media, i have enough issues keeping my personal stuff up to date | Mar 17 20:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | your personal stuff such as? | Mar 17 20:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah schestowitz on the other hand is obbssed with social media basically | Mar 17 20:33 |
| razielle_tzu | my FB page, twitter, my two blogs | Mar 17 20:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, what I meant though if trying to aim a page at mostly the lay man | Mar 17 20:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | someone who might become interested in linux etc | Mar 17 20:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | telling them something anything to do with software patents, even if it s some big company who has something famous joined an anti patents group | Mar 17 20:34 |
| razielle_tzu | i do that stuff face to face, through FB messenger or rarely irc | Mar 17 20:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | maybe its not that great doing that, and on facebook to | Mar 17 20:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | facebook messenger is going uh with my ubuntu tablet | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | now | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | since its not working proeprly at times now etc, or its just broke stuff, not sure yet | Mar 17 20:35 |
| razielle_tzu | i use pidgin and a custom built plugin to connect to the new FB api | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah I used to use pidgin a lot to connect | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to fb | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | on normal computer | Mar 17 20:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I am doing more personal commetns with articles that being linked to here and there on it to | Mar 17 20:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | maybe if I keep on doing that, certain people will see it go on it, and think oh, I wonder who doing that etc, lets go to event | Mar 17 20:37 |
| razielle_tzu | maybe | Mar 17 20:38 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, personal facebook feed? I dont use that | Mar 17 20:40 |
| razielle_tzu | i have friends in america and other places i can't text or chat to via irc, sometimes i miss them being online so i leave updates in my feed for them to check out | Mar 17 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, right ok | Mar 17 20:45 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and yes it can be good for that long distance contact | Mar 17 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | be they with in person peoploe, or online peopl | Mar 17 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | e | Mar 17 20:46 |
| schestowitz | [20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> about the company who owns mercedz benz, joinig a anti patents organisation | Mar 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Mar 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | OIN isn't anti-patent | Mar 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | it's the opposite of that | Mar 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ^ | Mar 17 20:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz oh is it really, really the opposite? | Mar 17 20:53 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz I thought I read it was one of the good ones ? | Mar 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | yes, it recently promotes a pro software patents thing | Mar 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | it claims to support Linux | Mar 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | but does too little to that effect | Mar 17 20:54 |
| schestowitz | it's a bit like "controlled opposition" | Mar 17 20:54 |
| schestowitz | to convince us to co-exist with patents in the area | Mar 17 20:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz it was this one I read: http://www.zdnet.com/article/daimler-joins-linuxs-open-invention-network-patent-protection-group/ | Mar 17 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Daimler joins Linux's Open Invention Network patent-protection group | ZDNet | Mar 17 20:54 | |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 17 20:54 |
| schestowitz | it's the only such report | Mar 17 20:54 |
| schestowitz | that I've seen | Mar 17 20:54 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so your saying that its a bit fake? | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | they aren't that anti patents | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe Kieth B called SJVN | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | to "generate" that article | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | whos keith b ? | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | the CEO of OIN | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | oh | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I forget how to spell his surname | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so is this a good thing or not then | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | them joining o in ? | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | anyway, OIN are not our ally, the FSF is | Mar 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | FFII may be | Mar 17 20:55 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | whats FF11 ? | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | not sure about their German wing | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | ask zoobab | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | ffii.org | Mar 17 20:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitzOIN isn't much good for us, the FSF is instead, is that what you mean ? | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | they fought to abolish any change of software patents in Europe a decade ago or more | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | also against OOXML | Mar 17 20:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | you mean the FSF ? | Mar 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | do you want to help us fight software patents? | Mar 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you can help combat the UPC in EUrope | Mar 17 20:57 |
| MinceR | the FSF isn't much good for us anymore either | Mar 17 20:57 |
| MinceR | they support systemd lock-in | Mar 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | and reach crowd with the relevant messages and actions | Mar 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | get people to sign this petition: nounitarysoftwarepatents.uk/ | Mar 17 20:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz how should the public be made aware at least to some extent, about software patents, so to do with Linux specifically as well, in lay mans terms ? | Mar 17 20:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | if at all for that even | Mar 17 20:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | maybe ignorance is bliss | Mar 17 20:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when not into something enough anyway, and some things to do with it | Mar 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:57] <MinceR> they support systemd lock-in | Mar 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Nobody is perfect | Mar 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | they also gave Mathew Microsoft an award | Mar 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | for UEFI 'secure' boot work | Mar 17 20:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | schestowitz I was thinking of linking to the oin article on Facebook for my generally public aimed at event | Mar 17 20:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but I am a bit more hmm now | Mar 17 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | maybe paste the petition text re UPC | Mar 17 20:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | plus its probably not really the best idea to start going on about software patents on there really ! trying to explain about them a bit, what they are etc | Mar 17 20:59 |
| schestowitz | and get people to sign it | Mar 17 20:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | oh DaemonFC is here | Mar 17 20:59 |
| schestowitz | hide your daughters! | Mar 17 20:59 |
| MinceR | hide yo' kids, hide yo' wife, 'cause they're rapin' everybody out there! | Mar 17 21:00 |
| schestowitz | bbll | Mar 17 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The guy that robbed John was like "You finna come with me.". | Mar 17 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | When he told me that, I was like, "Finna? What's that?". | Mar 17 21:02 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 17 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | He said, "It's how black people here say 'gonna'.". | Mar 17 21:02 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 17 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, I was laughing "Oh, he got away with six dollars and a broken Galaxy S6. That's gangsta.". | Mar 17 21:03 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 17 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | I hated my Galaxy S6. It got like four hours on a charge, if you were lucky. | Mar 17 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | I heard that the government has a new regulation that says that no new cell phones can have a user-replaceable battery. Not sure if that's true or not. If it is, I'll be keeeping my LG G5 for a while. | Mar 17 21:06 |
| MinceR | that's shitty | Mar 17 21:07 |
| MinceR | still, i thought i've read about a recent midrange phone from lenovo (moto) that had a removable battery | Mar 17 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I'm not sure of any reason that ddoesn't involve spyware for that one. | Mar 17 21:07 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll buy an LG V20 and then hold on to it for a while | Mar 17 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, After dealing with Lenovo last year, I doubt I'd buy another one. | Mar 17 21:07 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 17 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe if they actually do keep allowing Linux to be installed from now on. | Mar 17 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | The complaint I filed with the Illinois state government was what kicked them in the nuts. | Mar 17 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | Before that, it seemed that no amount of negative media coverage would change their position. | Mar 17 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | After the complaint to the government, they did a complete 180, fixed all existing systems with new BIOSes and announced that the 910 would allow AHCI mode in the default BIOS. | Mar 17 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | I can see why companies want to tear down government regulations. | Mar 17 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | On a related note, our current landlords are having a hell of a time with Chicago's anti-slumlord laws. | Mar 17 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | They've been written up and ordered to fix something in this building 93 times since we moved in last year. | Mar 17 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | Things still aren't right, but they've been forced to fix the worst of it. | Mar 17 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | Everything from leaking plumbing, to backed up drains, to rotting stairwells, to exterior work because pieces of the building were falling off onto the sidewalk, to rodent control.... | Mar 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | A bunch of stuff. | Mar 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | We're getting the hell out of here before the end of the month. We put down on a new apartment in Roger's Park. It's more expensive, but only slightly, and it's twice as big, all utilities paid by the landlord, and in a much nicer building. | Mar 17 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | Violent crime rate in the neighborhood is 1/5th of what it is where we live now. | Mar 17 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | I pulled up the public records before we signed a lease this time. The place where we live now has been awful. | Mar 17 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | On top of the violations, they were fined about $10,000 last year. | Mar 17 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | Chicago Department of Revenue probably loves them. | Mar 17 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | Their property tax bill for this place is running $58,000 a year now. | Mar 17 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | They were appealing it each year, but they quit doing it because the appeals were being denied and the lawyer gets paid anyway. | Mar 17 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's not just the number of apartments, it's the footprint of the building. | Mar 17 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | The only reason this thing is still standing is because they built great stuff in the 1920s. | Mar 17 21:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 17 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's been through decades of neglect. | Mar 17 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://betanews.com/2017/03/12/disgustingly-sneaky-windows-10-ads/ | Mar 17 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Microsoft is disgustingly sneaky: Windows 10 isn't an operating system, it's an advertising platform | Mar 17 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC | BetaNews is criticizing Microsoft. That's new. | Mar 17 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | Each update puts ads in some new place and you have to find out where to go to turn the new ones off. | Mar 17 21:17 |
| MinceR | Backdoors10 is malware | Mar 17 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They know that most people won't bother to turn the ads off. | Mar 17 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | So they can say "You can if you want to." because probably single digit percentages of the people using Windows 10 actually will.. | Mar 17 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't seem to really matter much what web browser you use anymore. | Mar 17 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Somewhere along the way, DRM and binary applications running in your browser became "open standards". | Mar 17 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | This "WebAssembly" will make obfuscated Javascript look pleasant. | Mar 17 21:21 |
| MinceR | they're more into saying either "you can if you want to, but we'll just switch it back" or "you can't, even if you want to" nowadays | Mar 17 21:22 |
| MinceR | and the moronic masses are OK with that | Mar 17 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | I can see GNU IceCat turning it off, but sites will slowly start using it and then the web will be broken without it. | Mar 17 21:22 |
| MinceR | apparently they have new APIs applications can only use if they're distributed via the winblows store now | Mar 17 21:22 |
| MinceR | meanwhile macos breaks applications if crApple wasn't paid to sign them | Mar 17 21:23 |
| MinceR | Backdoors10 and macos sierra are dangerously close to not being general purpose computer OSes anymore | Mar 17 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, but most apps people use are not from the Windows store. | Mar 17 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, I've never used it. | Mar 17 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Mar 17 21:34 |
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| MinceR | they'll probably start treating the old APIs negatively | Mar 17 21:36 |
| MinceR | maybe even break them, microsoft style | Mar 17 21:36 |
| MinceR | "DOS Ain't Done 'til Lotus Won't Run" | Mar 17 21:36 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, There's already some of that. | Mar 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to embed a web browser engine in a "classic" app, it has to be Trident. | Mar 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | You can't use EdgeHTML in such an app. | Mar 17 21:40 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 17 21:40 |
| MinceR | not much of a difference though :> | Mar 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | IE is pretty much frozen in time. | Mar 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | Security updates only. | Mar 17 21:40 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't trust m$ with security anyway | Mar 17 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | The extensions system in Edge is still totally broken. | Mar 17 21:41 |
| MinceR | but yeah, i can see the sort of people who would primarily target windows fall for that sort of crap | Mar 17 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | If you try to use TamperMonkey, Edge starts saying "Page Not Found" all the time. | Mar 17 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Norton was recommending people keep using IE 11 because Microsoft won't let shitty extensions like theirs into Edge. | Mar 17 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | The extension system from Chrome is quickly becoming the de facto standard. | Mar 17 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Soon, that'll be the only kind of extension that works in Firefox. | Mar 17 21:44 |
| MinceR | if anything at all will work on firefox, anyway | Mar 17 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/WebExtensions/Porting_a_Google_Chrome_extension | Mar 17 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.mozilla.org | Porting a Google Chrome extension - Mozilla | MDN | Mar 17 21:45 | |
| MinceR | mozilla is breaking everything | Mar 17 21:46 |
| MinceR | they broke the UI, they're breaking extensions, they're forcing ALSA | Mar 17 21:46 |
| MinceR | failfox is swarming with bugs | Mar 17 21:46 |
| MinceR | oops | Mar 17 21:46 |
| MinceR | they're forcing pulseaudio, of course | Mar 17 21:47 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: some alsa sound cards and setups don't pass the ALSA test suite | Mar 17 22:12 |
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| MinceR | i don't care | Mar 17 22:14 |
| MinceR | also, pulseaudio won't work without alsa either | Mar 17 22:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pulseaudio in fact includes a lot of detect broken combination apply work around. | Mar 17 22:15 |
| MinceR | where's the workaround for pulseaudio itself being a bloated, buggy pile of shit? | Mar 17 22:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: some of pulseaudio buggyness at times is pulseaudio using more features on ALSA than the applications to are using so finding sound card driver being a buggy pile of trouble. | Mar 17 22:16 |
| MinceR | also, i don't need the retards at mozilla to pick audio drivers for me | Mar 17 22:17 |
| MinceR | i can do it myself, thank-you-very-much | Mar 17 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | Then apulse | Mar 17 22:17 |
| MinceR | fuck apulse | Mar 17 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | okay | Mar 17 22:17 |
| MinceR | i switched to palemoon and i won't use skype | Mar 17 22:17 |
| MinceR | poettering can stick his malware where the sun doesn't shine | Mar 17 22:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse is not poettering | Mar 17 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - i-rinat/apulse: PulseAudio emulation for ALSA | Mar 17 22:18 | |
| oiaohm | But of course is does not have pulseaudio quirks data. | Mar 17 22:19 |
| oiaohm | Alsa it self does not have any valid way of storing sound card quirks/ features not to touch with a ten foot barge poll when using X driver. | Mar 17 22:19 |
| MinceR | apulse is a hack to accommodate broken crap that insists on pulseaudio | Mar 17 22:26 |
| MinceR | and pulseaudio is poetteringware | Mar 17 22:26 |
| MinceR | i prefer to avoid broken crap | Mar 17 22:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: alsa is broken crap. | Mar 17 22:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Find a automated test suite for ALSA it does not exist. | Mar 17 22:27 |
| MinceR | and despite all the FUD, intel/conexant HDA and soundblaster omni are both working fine | Mar 17 22:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: other than pulseaudio one. | Mar 17 22:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct intel/conexant HDA if you run everything in the alsa-lib test directory you will find things that should work that don't. | Mar 17 22:28 |
| MinceR | i don't use my audio hardware to run test suites | Mar 17 22:28 |
| MinceR | i use my audio hardware to play audio | Mar 17 22:28 |
| MinceR | music, video and games all work fine | Mar 17 22:28 |
| MinceR | which they did not with PA | Mar 17 22:28 |
| MinceR | it skipped; now it doesn't skip | Mar 17 22:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pure manual testing runs though all the different ways alsa should support playing audio and that at least 1 application out their requests. | Mar 17 22:29 |
| MinceR | and all the FUD and hostile software and dependencies used as weapons against the user won't change that fact. | Mar 17 22:29 |
| *MinceR yawns | Mar 17 22:29 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: come on alsa-lib does a release are you aware they don't have a even a automated build server to confirm that applies patches even works. | Mar 17 22:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that they even build. | Mar 17 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Pulseaudio and other sound servers basically have existed because alsa development methods are in need of some serous overhauling. | Mar 17 22:31 |
| *MinceR yawns again | Mar 17 22:31 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so you want to be rid of Pulseaudio what are you going to do fix up alsa so items like hotplugging works. | Mar 17 22:32 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: how many more of these lines will it take to fix pulseaudio? | Mar 17 22:32 |
| MinceR | also, even if it was the way you say, that still doesn't justify forcing pulseaudio on users | Mar 17 22:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have never liked any sound server | Mar 17 22:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have always looked at them as hacks. | Mar 17 22:33 |
| MinceR | if PA is so great, let it succeed by its virtues, not by forcing it on users | Mar 17 22:33 |
| MinceR | same is true for cancerd | Mar 17 22:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and it always because the low systems are not fixed. | Mar 17 22:33 |
| MinceR | if it was so great, ratcrap wouldn't need to use all the dirty tricks from microsoft's book to get people to use it | Mar 17 22:33 |
| MinceR | also, when will PA stop breaking ALSA's low-level API? | Mar 17 22:33 |
| oiaohm | Sound servers all the way back to esound and artsd fighting with each other should never have been required. | Mar 17 22:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what do you mean breaking ALSA low-level API. | Mar 17 22:34 |
| MinceR | blocking it from applications | Mar 17 22:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: put up what you are refering to. | Mar 17 22:34 |
| MinceR | i can't, it was a long time ago | Mar 17 22:34 |
| MinceR | i didn't think it was going to be a "use pulseaudio or else" issue eventually | Mar 17 22:34 |
| MinceR | i didn't see all this poetteringware and cancerd forcing coming | Mar 17 22:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that was implemented for sound servers before pulseaudio and part alsa standard to allow third party mixing to be added to fix up Alsa broken known defective dmix. | Mar 17 22:35 |
| MinceR | if i had, i would have given ratcrap's stuff a wide berth | Mar 17 22:35 |
| MinceR | ooh, "known defective" | Mar 17 22:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so my question is when is ALSA sound mixing going to be properly fixed. | Mar 17 22:35 |
| MinceR | is skipping required by the specification? or by some test suite somewhere? :> | Mar 17 22:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so we don't need sound servers. | Mar 17 22:35 |
| MinceR | i don't need sound servers. | Mar 17 22:36 |
| MinceR | neither does palemoon. | Mar 17 22:36 |
| MinceR | neither does failfox, if it's built from source, configured properly (not like the morons at mozilla do) | Mar 17 22:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: skipping is in the specification and how the sound card is meant to inform applications so it does not happen. | Mar 17 22:36 |
| MinceR | also, if ratcrap manages to kill linux, it will be moot | Mar 17 22:36 |
| MinceR | openbsd and netbsd probably have this figured out already | Mar 17 22:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: does not help that a lot of sound cards drivers in alsa report the wrong buffer and fail to send notification when buffer it getting near empty. | Mar 17 22:37 |
| MinceR | too bad the specification of my audio processing wasn't informed that gratuitous gaps in music playback are to be enjoyed, not avoided | Mar 17 22:37 |
| MinceR | i guess my brain wasn't designed by poettering | Mar 17 22:37 |
| oiaohm | openbsd and netbsd and freebsd use oss that is more sanely designed and has working sound mixing. | Mar 17 22:37 |
| MinceR | i thought openbsd used sndio | Mar 17 22:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sndio still has working sound mixing. | Mar 17 22:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: alsa has sound mixing that breaks without anything else. | Mar 17 22:38 |
| MinceR | breaks how? | Mar 17 22:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: dmix cannot cope with applicaitons wanting to-do different bit depths and speeds at the same time. | Mar 17 22:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: both sndio and oss can cope with that. | Mar 17 22:39 |
| MinceR | then i guess they never want to do that | Mar 17 22:39 |
| MinceR | or perhaps you're working with outdated information | Mar 17 22:39 |
| oiaohm | No because under Linux every time someone did that people used sound servers so alsa was never fixed up properly. | Mar 17 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes it because alsa was designed to be sound server dependant. | Mar 17 22:40 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Mar 17 22:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-913432-start-0.html I cannot find the email back in early alsa development at the moment where dmix limit support was justified. Like systems with more than 2 speakers existed when the first lines of dmix was coded. | Mar 17 22:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - ALSA dmix not working Intel HDA [Solved] | Mar 17 22:42 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yet dmix only support 2 speakers. | Mar 17 22:42 |
| MinceR | i have 2 speakers | Mar 17 22:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about a person with 5.1 | Mar 17 22:43 |
| MinceR | well, there's also a bass speaker in there, but it's managed by the speaker unit | Mar 17 22:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 5.1 works correctly with OSS and sndio | Mar 17 22:43 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: are you saying that i should break my audio and get used to skips in music when the system is loaded because somebody else has a 5.1 system? | Mar 17 22:43 |
| MinceR | that's just like saying my servers should boot and shutdown unreliably and should be forced to reboot often because somebody wants to run multihead desktops. | Mar 17 22:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the skips issue with HDA turns up with different applications using ALSA directly without pulseaudio as well. | Mar 17 22:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: because a lot of HDA report the wrong information. | Mar 17 22:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and there is no valid test suite for those making drivers. | Mar 17 22:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: also, what if i wanted to use a sound server other than PA? | Mar 17 22:45 |
| MinceR | is that heresy? | Mar 17 22:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I use jackaudio as well and I had particular cards skip and do stuff stupid with it as well. | Mar 17 22:46 |
| MinceR | so, am i the sysadmin of my own computers, or is poettering the sysadmin of my own computers? | Mar 17 22:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: a lot of issue put on PA are not PA its the lower level being absolutely bad. | Mar 17 22:47 |
| MinceR | yet it magically goes away if i get rid of PA | Mar 17 22:47 |
| MinceR | and still, i am not to get rid of PA because the high priest said so. | Mar 17 22:47 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i really miss the time when free software was about freedom. | Mar 17 22:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: PA attempt to use larger buffer sizes and what the driver reported it could handle. Lot of application just pick their own buffer size and throw that at sound card. | Mar 17 22:48 |
| MinceR | so, where are your magical quirk lists now? | Mar 17 22:48 |
| oiaohm | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Choppy_sound_with_analog_surround_sound_setup Please frequency = 48000 having to be set in openal that uses alsa directly at times to avoid alsa being choppy. | Mar 17 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | PulseAudio/Troubleshooting - ArchWiki | Mar 17 22:51 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pulseaudio include a lot of manual controls to allow setting to sound card because quirk list is not complete. | Mar 17 22:52 |
| MinceR | it's funny how the selling points evaporate | Mar 17 22:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wrong buffersizes wrong clockspeed support all come up from the driver level. | Mar 17 22:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so if you application asks the alsa driver what it can do and attempt to do it everything goes wrong. | Mar 17 22:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the thing is here is why does pulseaudio, jack and other sound servers even need a quirk list. | Mar 17 22:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it a symptom that lower down is broken. | Mar 17 22:56 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the thing is that this does not magically make pulseaudio not broken | Mar 17 22:57 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and even if it did, it's still rude to force users to one particular sound server with such excuses | Mar 17 22:57 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: especially when the code is already there to use ALSA | Mar 17 22:57 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. artsd, jackaudio, esound... every sound server in history has implemented own API/ABI because the ALSA API/ABI is lacking stuff sound servers need. Like the means to tell applications they are disconnected from audio stop sending stuff to be played. | Mar 17 22:59 |
| MinceR | what "not exactly"? | Mar 17 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Not what I said other than sound server muting audio when else do you think you would want to tell an application to stop sending audio. | Mar 17 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Not/Note | Mar 17 23:01 |
| MinceR | depends on the application | Mar 17 23:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about if you disconenct the speakers or pull the usb sound card out or change where the speakers are connected.... | Mar 17 23:02 |
| MinceR | usually i quit the audio player, then unplug the usb sound card | Mar 17 23:02 |
| MinceR | if i want to use the builtin audio hw, i edit my .asoundrc | Mar 17 23:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you forget things don't go right. | Mar 17 23:02 |
| MinceR | i still should have the freedom to do so | Mar 17 23:03 |
| MinceR | especially when PA would waste CPU and RAM | Mar 17 23:03 |
| MinceR | some people have 5.1 audio systems and multiseat desktops. well, i have weak computers. | Mar 17 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes I am not saying you should not have the freedom to use ALSA but it also should work right. | Mar 17 23:03 |
| MinceR | actually, that's what you've been arguing for almost an hour | Mar 17 23:03 |
| MinceR | oh, also, i have a laptop | Mar 17 23:04 |
| MinceR | the battery lasts longer if useless crap like PA and libvirtd don't get to waste power for nothing | Mar 17 23:04 |
| MinceR | oh, also, systemd | Mar 17 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Why we are getting stuck with sound servers and this goes back to esound. artsd and before because the lower sound stuff is not getting fixed. | Mar 17 23:04 |
| oiaohm | And application developers don't want to deal with quirks. | Mar 17 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I decided to go bargain shopping thanks to the strong dollar. | Mar 17 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | I bought up shares of an index fund that tracks the MSCI EAFE index. | Mar 17 23:05 |
| oiaohm | Pulseaudio becomes application developers scape goat when audio does not work instead of user blaming them in most cases. | Mar 17 23:05 |
| MinceR | then perhaps application developers should look for a job they're qualified for | Mar 17 23:05 |
| MinceR | perhaps they should look into developing applications that don't need audio. | Mar 17 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | The dollar is hugely overvalued right now, so it makes foreign investing mighty tempting. | Mar 17 23:06 |
| MinceR | in general, if mozilla can't improve firefox even though they have money, they shouldn't try to work around that by spending money on making firefox worse instead | Mar 17 23:06 |
| MinceR | if they just burned the money, even that would be less of a waste than what they're doing | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | So, as things return to their long term average, in dollar terms, this stands to make a pretty hefty profit. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't trust the US stock market. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | It made some good gains for me over the last few years, but I can see that coming to an end. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | Everything is overvalued, especially Microsoft. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not having money it cost resources to maintain alsa working with all the quirks it has. It also cheaper for application developers to drop alsa support and mandate uses use pulseaudio. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | P/E of 30.5? Fuck. | Mar 17 23:07 |
| MinceR | apparently destructive change for the sake of change is the "trendy", "cool", "modern" thing to do nowadays | Mar 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | People are still buying that? | Mar 17 23:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it's also cheaper to not develop bullshit such as australis, or that pocket bullshit, or EME support, or patent-encumbered codec support | Mar 17 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, I owned some Microsoft and Apple in there somewhere, but I sold at an all time high, so I'm feeling good about that. | Mar 17 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | Let the big shitpile come down on someone else. | Mar 17 23:08 |
| MinceR | the alternative is literally doing nothing | Mar 17 23:08 |
| MinceR | which costs literally nothing | Mar 17 23:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: pocket bullshit they paid for the location. So that was income. | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | good for them | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | too bad every user got the shaft | Mar 17 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, We went to see that movie "Get Out" the other day. | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | makes me wonder who the fuck mozilla is developing their shit for now | Mar 17 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft product placements everywhere. | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | it sure isn't the users | Mar 17 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Surface Books. Windows Phones. | Mar 17 23:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember the project need money. | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | what for? | Mar 17 23:09 |
| MinceR | what can they use that money for? | Mar 17 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | I leaned over to John and said "Oh look, the only person who bought a Windows Phone in the entire world.". | Mar 17 23:10 |
| MinceR | all they do is add shit nobody needs, rearrange the ui so it becomes less usable, and add tons of bugs everywhere that won't ever get fixed. | Mar 17 23:10 |
| MinceR | oh, and new "features" that break everything and add nothing useful | Mar 17 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That describes modern software in general. | Mar 17 23:10 |
| MinceR | yeah | Mar 17 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | Start over, break everything, let the poor saps try to figure out how to do the same tasks they were doing fine before. | Mar 17 23:11 |
| MinceR | like the shiny new ui that makes tabs randomly forget their icons or their contents (including the URL) | Mar 17 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Mar 17 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, KDE... Jesus | Mar 17 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | The 4 series wasn't even usable day to day until 4.3 was out. | Mar 17 23:11 |
| MinceR | kde is gone, let it go | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | kde3 was good, and then it was all over | Mar 17 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | They tossed out the 3 series even though it was working perfectly fine. | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | at least they managed to do 3 major releases before going to hell | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | gnome only managed 1 | Mar 17 23:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: australis the UI rework in Firefox started as attempt to fix the UI up to work with Electrolysis what is multi process support. | Mar 17 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They wait until everything is working too well and there's no reason to change much of anything. | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yeah, electrolysis also turned out to be perfectly useless | Mar 17 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Then they toss it out. | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | but hey, at least they get to break most extensions | Mar 17 23:12 |
| MinceR | it's not like anyone used failfox for the extensions, right? | Mar 17 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Ideally, software would be improved incrementally. | Mar 17 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | The user says "Hmm, there's a new feature but everything is basically the same.". | Mar 17 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | Instead, it's this churn and burn process where nothing ever works right and when it does, it's time to start over. | Mar 17 23:13 |
| MinceR | oh, also, this shiny new ui wastes screen spaces as if i was using a 10x10 grid of 4K displays or something | Mar 17 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | I have a 4k display. | Mar 17 23:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not really electrolysis work was required to make firefox work better on multi core systems as well. Having almost a single thread to render all open pages and interfaces was not exaclty a good idea. | Mar 17 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | The original Windows 10 was horrendous with 4k. | Mar 17 23:14 |
| MinceR | i have to install MicroFox/MicroMoon if i want to leave some pixels for the actual web pages | Mar 17 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | They improved that part, at least. | Mar 17 23:14 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yet if one process crashes, the whole browser becomes unusable. | Mar 17 23:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and as an added bonus, it consumes more RAM | Mar 17 23:15 |
| MinceR | as if "modern" websites didn't waste enough RAM already. | Mar 17 23:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: multi threading support does cost more ram with the ram per thread issue. | Mar 17 23:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you'll have to tell someone else about that. i think it was DaemonFC. :> | Mar 17 23:16 |
| MinceR | oh, you said it does cost more | Mar 17 23:16 |
| MinceR | never mind, then | Mar 17 23:16 |
| oiaohm | The price of supporting multi core cpus is using more ram. | Mar 17 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Multiprocess does use a lot of extra RAM. | Mar 17 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | With Firefox, there's been this one really big process. With Chrome or Edge, there's a bunch of smaller ones that collectively use 20-30% more. | Mar 17 23:17 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: under Linux at kernel level there is very little difference in cost between a thread and a process. | Mar 17 23:17 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: because the same structures exist anyhow. | Mar 17 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | Windows processes are much more expensive. | Mar 17 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | That's why the RAM use is horrible with browsers like Chrome. | Mar 17 23:18 |
| MinceR | i wonder why would the rendering of text, images and link need more than one core | Mar 17 23:18 |
| oiaohm | It one of the clear difference between OS X/Linux/BSD vs windows. Windows really does not like multi process applications. | Mar 17 23:19 |
| MinceR | what could possibly so heavy about such a simple task in 2017? | Mar 17 23:19 |
| MinceR | processes are so costly in winblows they wrote svchost.exe to stuff multiple services in one process | Mar 17 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Chrome Sandbox in Windows uses Integrity Levels. | Mar 17 23:19 |
| MinceR | dave cutler's design "genius" in action! | Mar 17 23:19 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: ooh, buzzwords! | Mar 17 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | In Windows, the trust level of a process, is System, High, Medium, Low, and AppContainer. | Mar 17 23:20 |
| MinceR | the robber barons of redmond throw "ASLR" around as if they invented it | Mar 17 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | AppConntainer is new to Windows 8. | Mar 17 23:20 |
| MinceR | ooh, AppContainer(tm)! | Mar 17 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, by the time you're in AppContainer, the process can't do very much other than ask another process to do something for it. | Mar 17 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | It's meant for Windows Store apps and Edge. | Mar 17 23:21 |
| MinceR | does AppContainer(tm) manage to isolate the event loop of a window from the process using the window? :> | Mar 17 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Although it is available to "classic" apps too. | Mar 17 23:21 |
| oiaohm | https://news.saferbytes.it/analisi/2013/07/securing-microsoft-windows-8-appcontainers/ | Mar 17 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.saferbytes.it | Securing Microsoft Windows 8: AppContainers | Mar 17 23:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has done a horrible job documenting this. | Mar 17 23:22 |
| MinceR | Securing Microsoft Windows 8: How to Uninstall It And Get a Real Operating System | Mar 17 23:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you set up Appcontainers wrong yes you can have a application create a window then not be able to put anything in it under Windwos. | Mar 17 23:22 |
| MinceR | microsoft in general does a horrible job documenting anything | Mar 17 23:22 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: great, sounds very useful | Mar 17 23:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: put it this way Microsoft appcontainers starts making cgroup and namespaces on Linux look friendly. | Mar 17 23:23 |
| MinceR | microsoft makes everything except apple look friendly | Mar 17 23:23 |
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| MinceR | ...and maybe also except redhat | Mar 17 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | just decided to write to RMS about twitter: | Mar 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Hi Richard, | Mar 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz | 3 years ago we spoke about Twitter. You said it was OK at the time. I want to let you know that Twitter now keeps censoring me, for no good reason. I wrote two posts about it in my web site (does not require JavaScript): | Mar 18 08:55 |
| schestowitz | Censored by Twitter for Mentioning Being Censored by Twitter | Mar 18 08:56 |
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| schestowitz | As you can imagine, I mostly "tweet" (actually copies from Diaspora) stuff about Free software. | Mar 18 08:56 |
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| schestowitz | never seen this before | Mar 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rbanffy/status/843089213419589632 | Mar 18 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rbanffy: @schestowitz that flash looks odd. Is it the camera adjusting aperture? | Mar 18 13:22 | |
| schestowitz | Not sure, not my area | Mar 18 13:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/843089452331360259 | Mar 18 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wendycockcroft: The multiplicity of #GIMP tutorials makes using it easy. It's more intuitive than #Photoshop. https://t.co/KhWTLTzlby | Mar 18 13:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Gimp 2.8 Reviewed: Open-Source Photo Editor https://t.co/G2RRqGEQL5 definitely usable, easy. Wife uses it. #gimp #gnu #freesw #graphics | Mar 18 13:23 | |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/Trbe3 | Mar 18 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BellaMagnani/status/843096574783905792 | Mar 18 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BellaMagnani: .@schestowitz https://t.co/hFam776S0V | Mar 18 14:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Wikileaks | Facebook | Mar 18 14:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dekdarion/status/843098447406399488 | Mar 18 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dekdarion: @schestowitz @wikileaks has a FB page. | Mar 18 14:05 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I was not ware | Mar 18 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I was not aware | Mar 18 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | damage control | Mar 18 14:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unexpected response | Mar 18 14:40 | |
| schestowitz | "Hey there Roy. Can you DM us some more information please? You can do this on the link provided. Megan" | Mar 18 14:40 |
| schestowitz | they try to silence critics | Mar 18 14:40 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/iohUWQv.gif | Mar 18 15:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170316/08471136931/how-drones-help-transparency-activists-to-see-things-hungarian-government-wants-to-hide.shtml | Mar 18 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Drones Help Transparency Activists To See Things The Hungarian Government Wants To Hide | Techdirt | Mar 18 16:06 | |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 18 16:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/842996187741523969 | Mar 18 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz infestation they say allowed pictures and videos. Now every tweet is an image or video. #sad | Mar 18 16:14 | |
| XRevan86 | > Viktor Orbán, is a self-confessed believer in the "illiberal state," which Wikipedia describes as follows: a governing system in which, although elections take place, citizens are cut off from knowledge about the activities of those who exercise real power because of the lack of civil liberties. It is not an "open society". | Mar 18 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | An honest guy :). | Mar 18 16:17 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/2Bt3LV3.jpg (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/vkMhQ ) | Mar 18 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lol he is so adorable - Album on Imgur | Mar 18 16:41 | |
| MinceR | who? | Mar 18 16:41 |
| MinceR | http://namelesspcs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2017-03-16-TrumpsRealSecret.png | Mar 18 17:04 |
| *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Mar 18 17:06 | |
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| MinceR | https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Neonazi_undermentsch.jpg | Mar 18 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-encyclopediadramatica.se | File:Neonazi undermentsch.jpg - Encyclopedia Dramatica | Mar 18 20:21 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 18 20:35 |
| razielle_tzu | hi | Mar 18 20:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, woo twitter | Mar 18 20:40 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 18 20:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, yeah got to twweet some stuff to really | Mar 18 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to try and gain interst in things | Mar 18 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to do with event | Mar 18 20:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, forgot had already done an account for it | Mar 18 20:42 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Mar 18 20:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but it was just ther ewanting email confimred earlioer so | Mar 18 20:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when going to sucker | Mar 18 20:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | Mar 18 20:42 | |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, if you do enough on social media, might become bigish | Mar 18 20:42 |
| razielle_tzu | true | Mar 18 20:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but mostly just going to re tweet stuff there so eh | Mar 18 20:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | omg ubuntu and such | Mar 18 20:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, I can't be obssed with stuff like that like schestowitz | Mar 18 20:44 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | to time consuming and uh | Mar 18 20:44 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, tweeting to no followeres, is a little hmm, but how it goes at first I suppouse | Mar 18 20:45 |
| razielle_tzu | i don't have many followers either | Mar 18 20:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | razielle_tzu, this should build up when we got upcoming event | Mar 18 20:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | a guy been doing a flyer text | Mar 18 20:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but it's not quite right yet | Mar 18 20:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hopeully tommorw | Mar 18 20:48 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | going to run a paid facebook advert for it as well | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but for longer this time | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | five weeks ? | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | or about five weeks | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but yes it all relys on the text ! | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I don't even have it saying upcoming event on facebook since yeah | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yet | Mar 18 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | properly | Mar 18 20:48 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/KYA86 | Mar 18 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kitty dump with a strategically placed thumbnail - Album on Imgur | Mar 18 21:16 | |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/Yb2bfeQ.png | Mar 18 22:53 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/0jg5K | Mar 18 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enjoy some Die Hard facts - Album on Imgur | Mar 18 23:48 | |
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