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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/8KpiPID.gifv (sauce: http://imgur.com/gallery/tJjP7 ) | Mar 19 07:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Brother let me help you put some weight on that pavement sign! | Mar 19 07:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brother let me help you put some weight on that pavement sign! - Album on Imgur | Mar 19 07:30 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zbh1w/bought_this_for_my_1_month_old_son_my_wife_is_not/ | Mar 19 10:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Bought this for my 1 month old son. My wife is not so happy about it. : linux | Mar 19 10:13 | |
| schestowitz | "Wife is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." | Mar 19 10:13 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/605svb/ext4_can_store_checksums_of_your_metadata_now_as/ | Mar 19 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | EXT4 can store checksums of your metadata now! (as of e2fsprogs 1.43 eg. in Ubuntu 16.10) : linux | Mar 19 10:57 | |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zl1a7/linux_distros_that_do_not_use_systemd_or_can_be/ | Mar 19 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Linux distros that do not use systemd (or can be configured not to) : linux [ http://ur1.ca/qnuq4 ] | Mar 19 11:04 | |
| XRevan86 | > Any *BSD: Not actually the linux kernel but a good alternative. Includes MacOS | Mar 19 11:06 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zbjto/who_actually_gets_the_money_when_somebody_donates/ | Mar 19 11:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Who actually gets the money when somebody donates to https://www.archlinux.org/donate/? : linux [ http://ur1.ca/qnuqx ] | Mar 19 11:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Isn't it right there on the page? Software in the Public Interest foundation." | Mar 19 11:10 |
| XRevan86 | If macOS is *BSD and a good alternative, then I'm Marie Curie. | Mar 19 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: Marie Curie and STeve Jobs both died of cancer | Mar 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | one copied with xrays | Mar 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | the other copies ('stole' from) Xerox | Mar 19 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's one hell of an analogy :). | Mar 19 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | One is a science hero, one is a businessman. | Mar 19 17:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 19 18:22 |
| MinceR | more like a career criminal than a businessman | Mar 19 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I've use a softer term, as it still doesn't look pretty that way either :) | Mar 19 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | used* | Mar 19 18:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 19 18:23 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/IPY7Kq9.jpg | Mar 19 18:26 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/WpKhtQO.gifv | Mar 19 18:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | O.O | Mar 19 18:34 | |
| XRevan86 | is that a chicken or a rooster? | Mar 19 18:35 |
| MinceR | probably a rooster | Mar 19 18:36 |
| MinceR | but i'm no ornithologist | Mar 19 18:36 |
| MinceR | http://wandpcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/wandp71site.png | Mar 19 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Time for Wiktionary | Mar 19 19:13 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 19 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | Now I get it. | Mar 19 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | English is siiiiick | Mar 19 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | Such basic words, man. | Mar 19 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | Unlike Russian where the cognate means… err, dekulakisation %). | Mar 19 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | Totally 100% better, yeah. | Mar 19 19:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 19 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | Good night. | Mar 19 19:28 |
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| cubexyz | screw systemd, I won't use it | Mar 19 19:40 |
| cubexyz | FC1, openbsd, vector, slack, chromeos... | Mar 19 19:40 |
| cubexyz | probably other ones... oh yeah Fedora 14 | Mar 19 19:41 |
| cubexyz | I support Mint for customers | Mar 19 19:41 |
| cubexyz | too heavy a distro for me though | Mar 19 19:41 |
| cubexyz | makes the ol' Hp NX9030 chug a bit | Mar 19 19:42 |
| cubexyz | don't want to argue with systemd fans though, no thanks | Mar 19 19:42 |
| cubexyz | I had 9 gigs of udp port 123 traffic blocked this month | Mar 19 19:48 |
| cubexyz | insane... | Mar 19 19:48 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/spzoV.gif | Mar 19 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: nice one | Mar 19 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Mar 20 10:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 20 10:24 |
| schestowitz | > Here is today's batch. | Mar 20 10:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 20 10:24 |
| schestowitz | > I'm looking into slimbook (r) notebooks and trying to get past a bug in | Mar 20 10:24 |
| schestowitz | > their web order form. | Mar 20 10:24 |
| schestowitz | That looks like a decent machine | Mar 20 10:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PEIangelis1/status/843832309157675008 | Mar 20 10:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PEIangelis1: @schestowitz @wikileaks Yep they seem to have limited creativity in terms of narrative development. Blahblah Russia… https://t.co/Wr282QEFlR | Mar 20 10:33 | |
| schestowitz | There are enough scandals associated with Trump opposing science and helping billionaires, no need for "Russia!" | Mar 20 10:34 |
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| cubexyz | hmmm, killing Xorg messes up klipper's history | Mar 20 11:02 |
| cubexyz | had to learn about invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE(s) today | Mar 20 11:06 |
| cubexyz | quite a pain actually | Mar 20 11:07 |
| cubexyz | I wonder if lifi is a thing yet or is it still in the lab stage | Mar 20 11:23 |
| cubexyz | supposedly it's way faster than wifi and has a much broader spectrum | Mar 20 11:24 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, sounds like it needs to be line-of-sight to work... | Mar 20 11:27 |
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| cubexyz | ok, I don't think it's widely available as yet | Mar 20 11:28 |
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| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/j2n6xoxl2kmy.jpg | Mar 20 15:01 |
| MinceR | https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/17265040_1397565410286680_115934218305117334_n.jpg?oh=27f236debb3a881e6c6099a397d961d0&oe=5972C25B | Mar 20 15:03 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/GrQosJb.gifv (sauce: https://imgur.com/gallery/Jz3Jd ) | Mar 20 15:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Mar 20 15:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nerf John Wick - Album on Imgur | Mar 20 15:42 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/wR1Zzcg.jpg (sauce: https://imgur.com/gallery/DDpkO ) | Mar 20 16:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As an artist myself who encourages creativity in my students, this makes me sad - Album on Imgur | Mar 20 16:08 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: cheers | Mar 20 17:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 20 17:48 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Apzsrtn.png | Mar 20 19:07 |
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| SilverSlimer | hey vallor! | Mar 20 20:51 |
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| MinceR | http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/1329cbCOMIC-trump-protects-americans.jpg | Mar 21 01:50 |
| cubeman_ | how about this gem: | Mar 21 02:55 |
| cubeman_ | "if you need to run windows on new hardware (Kaby Lake processors and later) you will have to install windows 10" | Mar 21 02:55 |
| cubeman_ | HA | Mar 21 02:56 |
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| cubexyz | I still use KDE actually | Mar 21 02:56 |
| cubexyz | just not exclusively | Mar 21 02:57 |
| cubexyz | to avoid M$ you have to think ahead... | Mar 21 02:59 |
| cubexyz | the trend now is to use an advertising based model for windows | Mar 21 03:03 |
| cubexyz | so that's going to be a pain for windows users | Mar 21 03:03 |
| cubexyz | oh and some tech told me something else interesting... | Mar 21 03:04 |
| cubexyz | he's seeing more BSODs on win10 than any version of windows past win2k | Mar 21 03:05 |
| MinceR | they like pain | Mar 21 03:10 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/yrpDlrR.jpg (sauce: https://imgur.com/gallery/iFeDP ) | Mar 21 03:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Went from really interesting to jusy down right funny - Album on Imgur | Mar 21 03:11 | |
| cubexyz | the nagware is just stupid | Mar 21 03:22 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/uNjQCt6.jpg | Mar 21 03:22 |
| cubexyz | I don't see enough ads already? I have to see them in solitaire? | Mar 21 03:24 |
| cubexyz | sure, the M$ apologists will keep on using it no matter what | Mar 21 03:26 |
| cubexyz | I'm way past that theshold | Mar 21 03:27 |
| oiaohm | I wonder if Microsoft is going to move the min hardware version to run Windows 10 as well. | Mar 21 03:31 |
| cubexyz | I predicted windows only computers 2 years ago | Mar 21 03:32 |
| cubexyz | all hardware must be researched and checked now | Mar 21 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Really we have buggy hardware in x86 that kind of hates everything. | Mar 21 03:35 |
| cubexyz | what would you recommend oiaohm ? | Mar 21 03:36 |
| oiaohm | Like realtek card reader inside without its unused ports correctly terminated in some laptops preventing people using windows from using the usb 3.0 mode and Linux users have to black list the not connected driver parts. | Mar 21 03:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Laptops and desktop certified for Linux. At least most of them contain hardware sanity. | Mar 21 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Please note the word most. Some still have stupid bit. | Mar 21 03:37 |
| MinceR | not only using it, also pushing it | Mar 21 03:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have to repair what ever. | Mar 21 03:41 |
| oiaohm | But something are more friendly. | Mar 21 03:41 |
| cubexyz | I've had pretty good experiences with ASUS motherboards | Mar 21 03:43 |
| oiaohm | ASUS are fairly good there are 1 or 2 boards that have odd ball features. Mostly targeting the gamer market. | Mar 21 03:46 |
| cubexyz | https://www.howtogeek.com/243581/windows-10-may-delete-your-programs-without-asking/ | Mar 21 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Windows 10 May Delete Your Programs Without Asking | Mar 21 04:09 | |
| cubexyz | funny (also not funny): | Mar 21 04:16 |
| cubexyz | A friend's Dell that uses bluetooth for everything was hosed beyond repair, because it killed the keyboard and mouse functionality even in the bios. He closed the popup for weeks and was caught by the latest "update" that made the red X mean "yes, please fubar my box." | Mar 21 04:16 |
| cubexyz | FUBARed to the BIOS level is a new level of FUBAR | Mar 21 04:17 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 21 04:28 |
| zoobab | hi | Mar 21 04:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | zoobab, hi | Mar 21 04:28 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: hi | Mar 21 05:34 |
| schestowitz | news? | Mar 21 05:34 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: back in 2006 dell also make a foobar bios update. | Mar 21 06:02 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: dell has done that from time to time. | Mar 21 06:02 |
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| schestowitz | https://dot.kde.org/2017/03/20/plasma-team-discusses-web-browser-integration-bundled-apps-and-new-features | Mar 21 06:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | Plasma Team Discusses Web-browser integration, Bundled Apps and new Features | KDE.news | Mar 21 06:09 | |
| schestowitz | no girls there | Mar 21 06:09 |
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| cubexyz | I asked Dell... as in Michael Dell, for BIOS source code | Mar 21 07:28 |
| cubexyz | naturally I was ignored | Mar 21 07:28 |
| cubexyz | you never know, sometimes asking for source code works :) | Mar 21 07:28 |
| oiaohm | Number one I could tell you that was not going to work. | Mar 21 07:30 |
| oiaohm | Because in most case Dell does not have the source code to their complete bios. | Mar 21 07:30 |
| oiaohm | Instead they got most of their bios and efi from third parties. | Mar 21 07:31 |
| cubexyz | ah, but this was for an old computer | Mar 21 07:31 |
| cubexyz | so I figured maybe | Mar 21 07:31 |
| cubexyz | I got 2011 era, 1999, and 1987 BIOS source | Mar 21 07:33 |
| cubexyz | even got MASM611 to assemble it | Mar 21 07:34 |
| cubexyz | I actually had an easier time with coreboot than the Award BIOS | Mar 21 07:35 |
| oiaohm | There are different bios makers from the 1980 to now that have never released a single bit of source code. | Mar 21 07:48 |
| oiaohm | And a lot of those vendors dell has used. | Mar 21 07:48 |
| oiaohm | Nothing like lack of quality control. | Mar 21 07:49 |
| cubexyz | Award got merged into Phoenix Technologies I think | Mar 21 07:50 |
| cubexyz | quite a while ago actually | Mar 21 07:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep and Phoenix Technologies has never released bios/efi source code even to vendors using their products. | Mar 21 07:51 |
| oiaohm | So lot of the bioses we have depend on only 1 company knows what is in them really in source code. | Mar 21 07:52 |
| cubexyz | the earliest clones I can remember had Phoenix BIOS | Mar 21 07:58 |
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| cubexyz | did you know early PCs didn't even have a serial or parallel port? | Mar 21 08:19 |
| cubexyz | maintainance programs were loaded through the keyboard port | Mar 21 08:20 |
| cubexyz | Programmable Peripheral Interface | Mar 21 08:34 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: https://t.co/Ytanx11RYs | Mar 21 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@theBDR: Saddest sign ever. https://t.co/Ytanx11RYs | Mar 21 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | humanity... or Hilton at least | Mar 21 10:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 21 10:56 |
| *MinceR displays the contents of a book to himself | Mar 21 10:57 | |
| MinceR | "Videri quam esse" | Mar 21 11:00 |
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| schestowitz | hope in humanity lost | Mar 21 11:08 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking, driving just to cruise is a bit like killing just to "hunt", for fun | Mar 21 11:08 |
| schestowitz | but pollution and murder aren't the same direct suffering | Mar 21 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Either way, one day books will be just a display item | Mar 21 11:09 |
| schestowitz | "naughty" because "no DRM" | Mar 21 11:09 |
| schestowitz | "piracy" | Mar 21 11:09 |
| MinceR | or they will be fuel | Mar 21 11:12 |
| MinceR | illegal ideas, plus the government can't see what you're reading | Mar 21 11:12 |
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| cubexyz | paper books avoids DRM | Mar 21 12:39 |
| cubexyz | and sure, minimizing resource use is smart and ethical | Mar 21 12:40 |
| cubexyz | minimizing e-waste... very important | Mar 21 12:43 |
| cubexyz | current level of consumption of resources is just not sustainable | Mar 21 12:43 |
| cubexyz | https://www.foe.co.uk/page/reducing-consumption | Mar 21 12:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foe.co.uk | Reducing consumption | Friends of the Earth [ http://ur1.ca/qo4st ] | Mar 21 12:44 | |
| cubexyz | at least let's use less plastic | Mar 21 12:46 |
| cubexyz | that's a no-brainer | Mar 21 12:46 |
| cubexyz | especially Bisphenol A | Mar 21 12:52 |
| cubexyz | need a way to list directories only in wide form | Mar 21 14:31 |
| cubexyz | tree -d -L 1 is close but I want it listed with multiple directories in each line | Mar 21 14:33 |
| cubexyz | ls -d */ | Mar 21 14:42 |
| zoobab | @cubexyz still hunting for a decent parallel port replacement | Mar 21 14:48 |
| cubexyz | no, I was just trying to remember if the original IBM PC came with a parallel port | Mar 21 14:53 |
| cubexyz | I still use parallel port sometimes | Mar 21 14:54 |
| cubexyz | all my linux boxes have parallel ports except for the chromebook | Mar 21 15:06 |
| cubexyz | /dev/parport0 etc | Mar 21 15:07 |
| zoobab | I tried ch341 usb chip | Mar 21 15:15 |
| zoobab | but it does not emulate a full parallel port | Mar 21 15:15 |
| zoobab | https://github.com/zoobab/ch341-parport | Mar 21 15:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - zoobab/ch341-parport: Parallel port driver for Linux for WinChipHead ch341 chip | Mar 21 15:16 | |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure what to recommend these days actually | Mar 21 15:20 |
| cubexyz | startech makes several different cards | Mar 21 15:20 |
| cubexyz | I heard Syba was good | Mar 21 15:22 |
| zoobab | cardbus card has full modes | Mar 21 15:22 |
| cubexyz | my old toughbook had a parallel port built-in | Mar 21 15:24 |
| cubexyz | everything except chromebook and zaurus | Mar 21 15:25 |
| cubexyz | not that I use parallel port a ton but I do use it to get files over to the amiga sometimes | Mar 21 15:26 |
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| cubexyz | hmm, bridging the two routers is harder than I thought :-/ | Mar 22 07:43 |
| cubexyz | the bell fibe service has good upload speed though | Mar 22 07:44 |
| cubexyz | the old dsl upload speed was positively dire | Mar 22 07:44 |
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| cubexyz | ok, just have to figure out which wifi receiver card is good and I'm done | Mar 22 08:05 |
| cubexyz | :w | Mar 22 10:21 |
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| cubexyz | well learned a bit today | Mar 22 11:11 |
| cubexyz | wifi on the acer laptop shuts off when you close the lid | Mar 22 11:11 |
| cubexyz | no idea why that is | Mar 22 11:12 |
| cubexyz | the wired ethernet connection doesn't do that | Mar 22 11:12 |
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| One_ | LOAT decisions Report on the 123rd session of the ILOAT At its 123rd session, the Administrative Tribunal of the International Labour Organization (the Tribunal) delivered 97 judgments involving 21 Organisations. In total the Tribunal dismissed the complaints in 60 judgments and granted them, partly or in full, in 37 judgments. The judgments have been exceptionally delivered in two steps with 4 judgments on 30 November 2016 and 9 | Mar 22 12:38 |
| One_ | The EPO took specific measures to address the orders contained in the two judgments delivered in November 2016. These judgments concerned the composition of the Appeals Committee (No. 3785) and the competent authority to hear a request for review (No. 3796). The judgment delivered by the Dutch Supreme Court on 20 January 2017 whereby the Court upheld the legal protection available to staff of the EPO through the internal and externa | Mar 22 12:39 |
| One_ | As for the EPO, 33 judgments were delivered in total, with 2 judgments on 30 November 2016 and 31 on 8 February 2017. In his introductory statement of the public delivery on 8 February 2017, the President of the Tribunal noted with satisfaction that: | Mar 22 12:39 |
| One_ | safeguarding the role of the Tribunal in the legal protection of staff of international organisations. | Mar 22 12:39 |
| One_ | Out of the 33 judgments involving EPO, the following figures are worth highlighting. 25 judgments confirmed in full the position of the Office. This is a high success rate in absolute (i.e. when compared to the EPO's own figures) as well as relative terms (i.e. when the EPO is compared to other international organisations). | Mar 22 12:39 |
| One_ | 3 judgments in which the substance of the challenged decisions was not at stake but where, due to the length of the procedures, moral damages have been awarded to the complainants (Nos. 3782 and 3795 for the duration of the internal appeals procedure and No. 3792 for a medical issue). | Mar 22 12:40 |
| One_ | 2 cases were lost on the substance (No. 3781 regarding school fees - Article 120a ServRegs - and No. 3788 regarding the computation of reckonable experience). | Mar 22 12:40 |
| One_ | 3 judgments referring cases back to the EPO for resuming the internal procedures, without any comment on the substance of the challenged decisions. The decisions concerned relate to the right to strike and the New Career system (Nos. 3786 and 3796). | Mar 22 12:40 |
| One_ | On the substance the following needs to be highlighted. In judgments Nos. 3786 and 3796 the Tribunal confirmed its case law (No. 3700, consideration 7) concerning the competent authority to hear a request for review or an appeal. Hence the Tribunal interpreted the applicable provisions (Articles 107(2), 109(2), 109(4) and (110(1) ServRegs) as follows. | Mar 22 12:41 |
| One_ | For employees appointed by the President, all requests for review must be lodged with, and decided by, the President; For employees appointed by the Council: | Mar 22 12:42 |
| One_ | requests for review against individual decisions concerning them and taken by the Council must be lodged with, and decided by, the Council, whereas requests for review against individual decisions concerning them and taken by the President must be lodged with, and decided by, the President. | Mar 22 12:42 |
| One_ | Furthermore, the Tribunal conveyed the following messages to the stakeholders. Defendant organisations need to handle staff requests and internal appeals diligently (judgments Nos. 3782, 3795 and 3792). Thus the Tribunal confirms its case law that dealings between an organisation and its staff should comply with the duty of care and due diligence. | Mar 22 12:42 |
| One_ | Complainants should pay attention to the following messages. Care needs to be taken to identify the right decision to be challenged and to exhaust all internal means of redress before filing a complaint (judgments Nos. 3779, 3780, 3791, 3811). | Mar 22 12:42 |
| One_ | If a given situation has already been settled through previous judgments further cases raising the same topic will therefore be rejected on the same grounds (judgments Nos. 3786, 3789, 3806, 3810). | Mar 22 12:43 |
| One_ | Several cases were found to be clearly devoid of merits as they raised "entirely unsubstantiated allegations [of harassment] and amount[ed] to mere assertions" (judgment No. 3806, consideration 6) and a further complaint was considered as being "no more than a collateral attack on judgment 3426" (judgment No. 3807, consideration 4) or "speculative assertions" (judgment No. 3808, consideration 5). | Mar 22 12:43 |
| One_ | To conclude, the Tribunal stressed again the respective responsibilities of the stakeholders for the functioning of the legal protection of staff through a system of internal and external means of redress. It is of paramount importance for all stakeholders to preserve it by using it in line with the above. | Mar 22 12:43 |
| One_ | 14.03.17 | Author: Employment Law - Employment Law | Target group: DG4, DG5, President-DG0, DG1, DG2, BoA | Mar 22 12:44 |
| One_ | That´s how the ILOAT decisions were presented to the EPO staff ... | Mar 22 12:44 |
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| MarkBilk | Nice video on backdoors in Intel and AMD CPUs: Is Your CPU Spying On You? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grb-_xdqpEQ | Mar 22 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is Your CPU Spying On You? - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/qo8b6 ] | Mar 22 14:38 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 22 14:47 |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk: based on what evidence? | Mar 22 14:53 |
| schestowitz | in this case? | Mar 22 14:53 |
| schestowitz | ME etc? | Mar 22 14:54 |
| MarkBilk | yes | Mar 22 14:54 |
| schestowitz | vault7 doesn't suggest they use that much | Mar 22 14:54 |
| schestowitz | they probably don't need to even drill down to the chip level | Mar 22 14:54 |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk: will watch, thanks | Mar 22 14:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rw_fraley/status/844623071247945728 | Mar 22 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rw_fraley: @schestowitz @TheMusach @tandk9596 @wikileaks it's so true. The biggest change in my life is because I begin to read labels and compare | Mar 22 14:55 | |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk: thanks, good vide | Mar 22 14:59 |
| schestowitz | just shared it | Mar 22 14:59 |
| schestowitz | doesn't address too technical an audience, so anyone can grasp it | Mar 22 14:59 |
| MarkBilk | It's another weapon the ruling psychopaths can use to control everyone on the planet if most people become aware of them and start resisting. MSwindows and probably systemd are avl to them also. | Mar 22 14:59 |
| MarkBilk | schestowitz: yw! Lots of good stuff on youtube -- worth checking every day and subscribing to good channels. | Mar 22 15:01 |
| schestowitz | also mentioned the baseband OS | Mar 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | so covers all the key points | Mar 22 15:03 |
| schestowitz | with diagrams for the newbs | Mar 22 15:03 |
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| MinceR | https://www.shoelace.org/pics/2016/12-31-2016/winter-sucks-set-fire.gif | Mar 22 18:38 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Ab7WhGa.gifv | Mar 22 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | I identify as an AH-64 Apache...this is just my pre-Date routine | Mar 22 18:40 | |
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| cubexyz | if there's ME stuff in vault7 I should dig into it again | Mar 23 02:45 |
| cubexyz | it appears that the intel ME is actually part of the CPU in some cases | Mar 23 02:49 |
| cubexyz | or at least closely integrated into the northbridge | Mar 23 02:50 |
| cubexyz | the bell fibe hardware actually runs a web server on my PVR | Mar 23 02:51 |
| cubexyz | a portal for techs I reckon | Mar 23 02:52 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/jRAqSTri66I This is Mozilla developers listing why dropping Alsa. | Mar 23 03:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com | Google Groups | Mar 23 03:44 | |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: regarding how much i care about mozilla's excuses: http://i.imgur.com/2bY9hT4.jpg | Mar 23 04:21 |
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| MinceR | also, if alsa is so evil, how are they going to drive the hardware under poettering's train wreck? | Mar 23 04:21 |
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| schestowitz | [06:45] <cubexyz> if there's ME stuff in vault7 I should dig into it again | Mar 23 04:32 |
| schestowitz | None that I have seen so far | Mar 23 04:32 |
| schestowitz | it does show they bypass encryption by taking over the OS though (mobile), does not mention the baseband OS | Mar 23 04:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: going on top of pulseaudio means they don't have to maintainer their own 5.1 to 2 channel audio converter. | Mar 23 04:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also that forces apulse wrapper to implement that. | Mar 23 04:35 |
| MinceR | i see you love forcing | Mar 23 04:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly why should programs have to implement there own copies of those converters. | Mar 23 04:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not that I like forcing. I am willing to admit what the problem is. | Mar 23 04:51 |
| MinceR | no, you are not | Mar 23 04:56 |
| MinceR | you don't even seem to be aware of what the problem is | Mar 23 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Request to add a mixer system to support 5.1 and all those other parts was first placed in the alsa-project bugzilla in 1998 by me. | Mar 23 04:59 |
| oiaohm | So its now almost 20 years later. | Mar 23 05:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so I am kinda aware of the problem and how little progress Alsa has been making. | Mar 23 05:01 |
| oiaohm | At some point someone was going to go stuff it. | Mar 23 05:01 |
| MinceR | no, the problem is that redhat is trying to co-opt control of everything on unix | Mar 23 05:02 |
| oiaohm | Same with ignoring that sysvinit did not match the Linux kernel and saying lets keep on using it. That was going to have to end at some point. | Mar 23 05:02 |
| MinceR | they're trying to turn all free software into a closed shop where they call all the shots and if you want something, you have to pay them | Mar 23 05:03 |
| oiaohm | Who ever puts up the resources to fix the problem decides how it fixed. | Mar 23 05:03 |
| MinceR | at some point != we didn't care until today, but now it must happen by yesterday | Mar 23 05:03 |
| oiaohm | If you don't like it you should be working on getting resources for other groups. | Mar 23 05:03 |
| MinceR | i am working on fixing the redhat problem, actually | Mar 23 05:03 |
| oiaohm | Complain about pulseaudio and systemd will not fix anything. | Mar 23 05:04 |
| oiaohm | What is needing is working solutions. | Mar 23 05:04 |
| MinceR | devuan is a working solution | Mar 23 05:04 |
| oiaohm | So you have to understand why groups will be going pulseaudio to understand what is wrong with ALSA. | Mar 23 05:04 |
| MinceR | i'll eventually write a semi-automatic mount tool to fill the hole udisks2 has left behind | Mar 23 05:05 |
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| MinceR | you have to understand how free software works to understand what is wrong with mozilla and redhat | Mar 23 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Devuan uses sysvinit , offers openrc , runit , sinit and out that list only openrc really works with how the Linux kernel is designed. | Mar 23 05:06 |
| oiaohm | Yet that is not where Devuan is focusing their resources. | Mar 23 05:06 |
| oiaohm | So projects like Devuan are fairly much spinning their wheels getting no where. | Mar 23 05:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: reality you don't want change so you will stay with techically incompatible and yell at anyone who attempt to go after compadible to kernel solution. | Mar 23 05:08 |
| MinceR | getting nowhere is preferable to turning unix into windows | Mar 23 05:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: throwing words like "reality" doesn't actually change reality | Mar 23 05:08 |
| oiaohm | Sorry systemd is not designed after WIndows. It design after solarias. | Mar 23 05:09 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: fact is, gnu/linux worked before redhat started playing microsoft | Mar 23 05:09 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: solaris is broken as well. | Mar 23 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Not fact | Mar 23 05:09 |
| MinceR | unix is not solaris; unix is not windows. | Mar 23 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Saying fact is does not make it true. | Mar 23 05:09 |
| MinceR | ooh, then i must have lived in an illusion before | Mar 23 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Alsa has been known broken since it was made because it standard was never completed. | Mar 23 05:10 |
| MinceR | good thing PA isn't broken | Mar 23 05:10 |
| MinceR | oh wait | Mar 23 05:10 |
| MinceR | i guess the problem is with me, in that i don't enjoy random skips in music | Mar 23 05:10 |
| MinceR | perhaps poettering should found his own new music genre | Mar 23 05:10 |
| oiaohm | You get random skips in music running Alsa without pulseaudio on some hardware as well. | Mar 23 05:11 |
| MinceR | like nightcore, except instead of speeding up, he'd insert random intervals of silence in random places | Mar 23 05:11 |
| MinceR | he could call it pulsecore or something | Mar 23 05:11 |
| MinceR | no, i don't get it | Mar 23 05:11 |
| oiaohm | And random skips under alsa disappear if you load palseaudio. | Mar 23 05:11 |
| oiaohm | Because there are ways to make incomplete dmix play up. | Mar 23 05:11 |
| MinceR | once again, stop breaking people's stuff for other people's fringe use cases | Mar 23 05:11 |
| oiaohm | Pulseaudio exists because ALSA is majorally broken. | Mar 23 05:12 |
| MinceR | if alsa is broken, fix alsa | Mar 23 05:12 |
| MinceR | instead of piling yet another broken layer on top | Mar 23 05:12 |
| MinceR | and especially instead of forcing everyone to use that broken layer on top | Mar 23 05:12 |
| oiaohm | Not simple to fix. | Mar 23 05:13 |
| oiaohm | ALSA need a v2 like cgroups did. | Mar 23 05:13 |
| oiaohm | ALSA need to be ripped to the ground and rebuilt. The ABI design of ALSA is complete fail. | Mar 23 05:13 |
| cubexyz | umm | Mar 23 05:14 |
| cubexyz | I worked with Alsa -> SDL and it worked pretty good | Mar 23 05:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: tried removing a sound card. | Mar 23 05:14 |
| cubexyz | most of the LGP games used it | Mar 23 05:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: or adding one. | Mar 23 05:14 |
| MinceR | i suspect cgroups will need a v3 :> | Mar 23 05:14 |
| MinceR | 23 101151 < MinceR> once again, stop breaking people's stuff for other people's fringe use cases | Mar 23 05:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: v2 in cgroups is way better than v1. | Mar 23 05:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: if you like one vendor playing king and forcing shit on everybody, go use windows | Mar 23 05:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: apparently v2 still doesn't fucking work | Mar 23 05:15 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I can't remember the last time I added a sound card to anything | Mar 23 05:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: but i guess that's not a problem for you guys | Mar 23 05:15 |
| cubexyz | sb32 maybe was the last one :) | Mar 23 05:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have used cgroup v2. It works. | Mar 23 05:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cgroup v1 you could put a process in a IO controller and cpu access controller with confliting settings. | Mar 23 05:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and yet cancerd still can't terminate processes properly on shutdown | Mar 23 05:16 |
| cubexyz | let me see... the old server box had ummm... | Mar 23 05:17 |
| MinceR | and they claim it's because of cgroups | Mar 23 05:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also ALSA has had the trouble of no proper testsuite so vendors writing drivers how ever they like. | Mar 23 05:17 |
| cubexyz | Ensoniq CT4810 PCI sound card | Mar 23 05:17 |
| MinceR | i guess shutting down is not a functionality of an "init system" anymore :> | Mar 23 05:17 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: i can imagine how traumatic it must be to you that some people get to do what they like. | Mar 23 05:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so vendors forcing crap on developers is exactly what has been happening with ALSA so why are you still compaling. | Mar 23 05:17 |
| MinceR | but once again, there's windows for you. | Mar 23 05:17 |
| cubexyz | the sound stuff on the motherboard has been good enough I guess | Mar 23 05:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you have said if vendors were forcing stuff you people you would be back on Windows. | Mar 23 05:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not redhat that is the only problem here. | Mar 23 05:18 |
| cubexyz | I wonder what chromeos uses | Mar 23 05:18 |
| MinceR | indeed it is not | Mar 23 05:18 |
| MinceR | it's also microsoft and canonical | Mar 23 05:18 |
| MinceR | the rest of this triad of evil | Mar 23 05:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about realtek | Mar 23 05:18 |
| MinceR | but redhat is most active | Mar 23 05:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about dell | Mar 23 05:19 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i don't remember realtek killing the distro i was using | Mar 23 05:19 |
| MinceR | dHell makes shitty hardware and provides no warranty, but i don't see how that's relevant | Mar 23 05:19 |
| cubexyz | btw on openbsd we use sndio :) | Mar 23 05:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have had realtek sound cards cause systems not to boot. | Mar 23 05:19 |
| cubexyz | works fine | Mar 23 05:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and that is runnign Linux | Mar 23 05:19 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: but but but slowlaris is the only unix, don't you see? :> | Mar 23 05:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: please note sndio is a standardised sound server. | Mar 23 05:20 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: taht the bsd world was sane todo. | Mar 23 05:20 |
| cubexyz | the BSD world is saner nowadays | Mar 23 05:21 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sndio Yes sndio will covert 5.1 from an application to 2 for speakers or 2 channel to 5.1 | Mar 23 05:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | sndio - Wikipedia | Mar 23 05:21 | |
| cubexyz | that's why I always keep a couple of BSD boxes around | Mar 23 05:21 |
| MinceR | they don't have redhat, at least not yet | Mar 23 05:21 |
| MinceR | OTOH freebsd has its gaggle of crApple/m$ worshipers | Mar 23 05:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the reality is ALSA in it current form is not providing min requirements it should even when you compare to what you get on a BSD system. | Mar 23 05:22 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the reality is PA does neither | Mar 23 05:23 |
| oiaohm | Even the BSD init on a BSD kernel has better process tracking. | Mar 23 05:23 |
| MinceR | then go use bsd | Mar 23 05:23 |
| oiaohm | Than sysvinit or runit | Mar 23 05:23 |
| cubexyz | I'm typing on BSD right now :) | Mar 23 05:23 |
| oiaohm | PA does in fact do 5.1 to 2 and 2 to 5.1 | Mar 23 05:23 |
| MinceR | so, not knowing whether processes have exited when you're shutting down is "better process tracking", now? | Mar 23 05:23 |
| MinceR | or are you just ignoring any fact that's inconvenient to you? | Mar 23 05:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: better process tracking means you know what in fact started X process. | Mar 23 05:24 |
| MinceR | or are you comparing the sysvinit we do have with the systemd you imagine you might eventually have? | Mar 23 05:24 |
| MinceR | oh, i see | Mar 23 05:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not have everything magically connected to PID 1 with no clue what started it. | Mar 23 05:24 |
| MinceR | so you like a bloated "init system" that can't boot or shutdown reliably | Mar 23 05:24 |
| MinceR | but why is it such a trauma to you that other people disagree about that? | Mar 23 05:24 |
| oiaohm | In fact I like openrc more than systemd due to less bloat. | Mar 23 05:25 |
| MinceR | so why do you shill cancerd every day? | Mar 23 05:25 |
| oiaohm | I wish there was another way with a Linux kernel to do process tracking correctly but the only working option cgroups. | Mar 23 05:25 |
| MinceR | why do you keep bringing up slowlaris as *the* unix? | Mar 23 05:25 |
| MinceR | no, cgroups is not "working" | Mar 23 05:25 |
| oiaohm | I don't shill for cancerd. I hate people suggesting solutions to systemd that are not solutions. | Mar 23 05:25 |
| MinceR | even cancerd "developers" know that | Mar 23 05:25 |
| oiaohm | For process tracking that works in cgroupv1 | Mar 23 05:26 |
| MinceR | but you don't hate people suggesting solutions to non-poetteringware that are not solutions | Mar 23 05:26 |
| cubexyz | I'm cancerd free now :) | Mar 23 05:26 |
| MinceR | so am i | Mar 23 05:26 |
| cubexyz | I deleted fedora 16 :) | Mar 23 05:26 |
| oiaohm | Its when you attempt to use IO controls and the like in cgroupv1 does cgroupv1 go wrong. | Mar 23 05:26 |
| MinceR | if mozilla tries to force poetteringware on me, i'll just stop using mozilla | Mar 23 05:26 |
| MinceR | fuck mozilla | Mar 23 05:26 |
| oiaohm | Of course of systemd was simpler like openrc those io controllers issues on cgroup v1 would not have happened. | Mar 23 05:27 |
| cubexyz | really what I want is an os that works and is understandable | Mar 23 05:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when you choose X kernel it as X feature this means you have X feature limited ways of doing stuff. | Mar 23 05:28 |
| cubexyz | that's why I have fun programming with unix v5 | Mar 23 05:28 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so you don't like me being able to _choose_ | Mar 23 05:29 |
| cubexyz | I keep the old stuff around... | Mar 23 05:29 |
| MinceR | like i said, if you want users to have no choice, there's windows for that | Mar 23 05:29 |
| cubexyz | loki and lgp games worked fine on FC1 | Mar 23 05:29 |
| MinceR | and there's also macos for that | Mar 23 05:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I want to be able to choose between stuff that has a chance of working correctly all the time. | Mar 23 05:29 |
| cubexyz | I admit they are pretty old | Mar 23 05:29 |
| MinceR | hell, macos won't even let you choose hardware | Mar 23 05:29 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: then keep on living in this dream world where stuff well known to be broken works perfectly all the time | Mar 23 05:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I don't like have to choose between broken in X conditions for broken in Y condition. | Mar 23 05:30 |
| cubexyz | mac is off the radar | Mar 23 05:30 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: i'm putting it on the radar :> | Mar 23 05:30 |
| MinceR | apparently some people enjoy being oppressed | Mar 23 05:31 |
| MinceR | they can have that with crApple products | Mar 23 05:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note my world "chance". I don't expect it to work all the time. But I don't want to go and do basic feature checks and find critical things missing. | Mar 23 05:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: starting services being unable to track them so unable to terminate them cleanly every single time I don't class as acceptable. | Mar 23 05:32 |
| MinceR | you want to be ignorant of critical things being missing? | Mar 23 05:32 |
| MinceR | or you don't consider being able to boot or shut down as "critical" to an "init system"? | Mar 23 05:32 |
| cubexyz | heck, I'm still learning about openmotif stuff... so much to learn | Mar 23 05:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: do current versions of systemd have that issue. | Mar 23 05:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the reality is you are stuck in past with a lot of the issues you bring up. | Mar 23 05:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes at the time those faults I classed as not acceptable. | Mar 23 05:33 |
| cubexyz | I'm stuck in the past because I know the past :) | Mar 23 05:34 |
| cubexyz | I get upgrade fatigue | Mar 23 05:34 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: but where you go is init systems matched to kernel. | Mar 23 05:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the reality is everybody is stuck in the past because the speed of light is not infinite. | Mar 23 05:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the reality is also that i don't have the time or the energy or the patience to test bleeding edge crap daily to see if it's less broken | Mar 23 05:34 |
| MinceR | especially when i can already tell that the underlying design is braindead | Mar 23 05:35 |
| cubexyz | are these nano usb wifi adapters any good? | Mar 23 05:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: software needs to mature before it's usable in production environments | Mar 23 05:35 |
| cubexyz | they seem to be in the clearance section for some reason :-/ | Mar 23 05:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: afaict systemd has not yet been released in a stable release of a distro in a version that is itself mature | Mar 23 05:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: nano usb wifi mostly no human hand/arm is mostly water and blocks wifi very good. | Mar 23 05:36 |
| cubexyz | oh dear, 1 out of 5 rating | Mar 23 05:36 |
| cubexyz | ok, I'll not bother then | Mar 23 05:36 |
| MinceR | what have human arms have to do with nano usb wifi adapters? | Mar 23 05:36 |
| cubexyz | "not reliable" say all the reviewers | Mar 23 05:37 |
| MinceR | i've had good results with some mini tenda usb wifi dongles that can work as access points | Mar 23 05:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: they are normally stuck in laptops and where do people put there computer mouse. Little thinking should work out problem. | Mar 23 05:37 |
| MinceR | i put my mouse away from the laptop so it doesn't bump into the laptop when i move left | Mar 23 05:37 |
| MinceR | but i suppose there's a lesser amount of thinking that would cause that problem | Mar 23 05:38 |
| MinceR | then again, i didn't plug those dongles directly into a laptop | Mar 23 05:38 |
| MinceR | they were either plugged directly into a rpi2, or into a laptop via a cable so i could put it where it had better reception | Mar 23 05:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so you gave it some cable and kept it away from the block of water that is a human. | Mar 23 05:38 |
| MinceR | (and no, not because of anyone's hand) | Mar 23 05:39 |
| cubexyz | the antenna must be very tiny | Mar 23 05:39 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it isn't significantly different from a normal-sized usb dongle | Mar 23 05:39 |
| MinceR | it is | Mar 23 05:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is significatly different to some normal-sized usb dongles. | Mar 23 05:40 |
| MinceR | unless they can use some trickery to use the wire inside the computer as antenna :> | Mar 23 05:40 |
| cubexyz | I need PCI for the older computers | Mar 23 05:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: why is some normal sized dongles are a nano usb wifi dongle with airspace. | Mar 23 05:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: because manufacturing both normal and nano sized components could be more expensive? | Mar 23 05:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: correct it a price cut. But the true fullsize has bigger arials and tollerates more interference. | Mar 23 05:41 |
| MinceR | too few people care about that | Mar 23 05:43 |
| MinceR | it's the tragedy of the market economy | Mar 23 05:43 |
| MinceR | clueless masses determine everything, so good products die and we all get only crap | Mar 23 05:44 |
| cubexyz | I hate it when I search for PCI and get PCI express instead | Mar 23 05:44 |
| oiaohm | I know the difference because using a 40db dish with wifi you need proper. | Mar 23 05:44 |
| MinceR | i probably couldn't buy such equipment here | Mar 23 05:44 |
| MinceR | they hardly sell anything here | Mar 23 05:44 |
| oiaohm | The wifi dongles I use for that are off the shelf in many places. | Mar 23 05:45 |
| oiaohm | Not special orders. | Mar 23 05:45 |
| MinceR | in australia, yes | Mar 23 05:46 |
| MinceR | in hungary, no | Mar 23 05:46 |
| cubexyz | you guys can buy chromebooks though right? | Mar 23 05:48 |
| MinceR | only some uninteresting models | Mar 23 05:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so no tp-link stuff over there. | Mar 23 05:48 |
| MinceR | i think there is some tp-link stuff here | Mar 23 05:48 |
| MinceR | at least SOHO routers | Mar 23 05:49 |
| cubexyz | tp-link is OK? | Mar 23 05:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it one of the cheaper brands that don't to cut down usb dongals in in full size usb dongle cases. | Mar 23 05:49 |
| MinceR | i've heard their quality varies wildly | Mar 23 05:49 |
| oiaohm | There is a price for cheap. | Mar 23 05:49 |
| cubexyz | my choice for wifi PCI card seems to be either intel or tp-link | Mar 23 05:51 |
| oiaohm | The big give away to nano wifi in a full size usb dongle case is normally complete lack of externel arial support. | Mar 23 05:51 |
| oiaohm | tp-link sells a stack of external aerials to extend range. | Mar 23 05:52 |
| oiaohm | So a full sized USB dongle without a external aerial straight up skip it. | Mar 23 05:52 |
| MinceR | not sure about that -- the connector for the external aerial also has its extra costs | Mar 23 05:53 |
| MinceR | plus i'm not sure of the EU/hungarian authorities' stance on such aerials | Mar 23 05:53 |
| oiaohm | To support external aerials is required for PCI/PCI-e cards. | Mar 23 05:54 |
| oiaohm | So they allow wifi they have to allow the external aerial port. | Mar 23 05:54 |
| MinceR | they could still use a proprietary connector on a connection that can't be cleanly dismantled by the consumer, though | Mar 23 05:55 |
| oiaohm | http://76.my/Malaysia/tp-link-high-gain-wireless-n-usb-adapter-wifi-tl-wn722n-ookas-1205-02-ookas@6.jpg Note how this one has high gain written on it. | Mar 23 05:56 |
| oiaohm | The external aerial port equals bigger amps in the stick as well. So it does eat some more power. | Mar 23 05:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and the good brands they are a standard port. | Mar 23 05:57 |
| cubexyz | neat | Mar 23 05:58 |
| MinceR | yeah, neat | Mar 23 05:58 |
| oiaohm | Please note you can by tp-links in large case cheaper without the aerial port and they are nano in big case. | Mar 23 05:58 |
| MinceR | i wonder if it works with gnu/linux | Mar 23 05:58 |
| oiaohm | So some of the complaint about tp-link being different quality with wifi is people not paying attention to what they are buying. | Mar 23 05:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes the port on the side of that tp-link is the same port tp-link cards have on the back of a computer. | Mar 23 06:00 |
| oiaohm | from pci | Mar 23 06:00 |
| MinceR | i think the specific complaint i remembered was about routers | Mar 23 06:00 |
| oiaohm | You see tp-link routers with and without aerials. | Mar 23 06:00 |
| oiaohm | Yep router with nano wifi hardware is not good. | Mar 23 06:00 |
| oiaohm | Tp-link is cheap and they will sell you too cheap. | Mar 23 06:01 |
| oiaohm | Of course there are other brands that you are looking for exactly the same things. | Mar 23 06:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/arc-wireless-ant-186-arc-30dbi-5ghz-dual-pol-dish-antenna-arc-wireless/ I don't think you would be allowed to by aerials like this and hook up to a router. | Mar 23 06:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ARC Wireless ANT-186 ARC 30dBi 5GHz Dual Pol Dish Antenna - Kogan.com [ http://ur1.ca/qob6q ] | Mar 23 06:05 | |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 23 06:05 |
| oiaohm | That what you call needing serous range. | Mar 23 06:05 |
| oiaohm | Yes the 180 AUD is normally more than the wifi parts it connected it. | Mar 23 06:06 |
| oiaohm | So break anything bar the dish. | Mar 23 06:06 |
| cubexyz | if you install firmware-atheros the TL-WN772N should work | Mar 23 06:14 |
| cubexyz | and that was from a message from 2 years ago | Mar 23 06:15 |
| cubexyz | slack has madwifi for atheros based wireless cards | Mar 23 06:17 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: tp-link stuff is fairly much cheep and generic atheros stuff. | Mar 23 06:18 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I just choose that as common everywhere brand I knew. | Mar 23 06:18 |
| cubexyz | but yeah, there could be some hand-turning involved there | Mar 23 06:20 |
| oiaohm | Adding firmware what is kinda normal for most wifi cards. | Mar 23 06:21 |
| cubexyz | I don't suppose any atx motherboards come with wifi? | Mar 23 06:26 |
| MinceR | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12117 | Mar 23 06:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.xfce.org | 12117 – The default desktop startup screen causes damage to monitor! [ http://ur1.ca/qob84 ] | Mar 23 06:27 | |
| cubexyz | yikes | Mar 23 06:29 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Don't worry, it's only reproducible when one has a cat. | Mar 23 06:30 |
| cubexyz | ok, you can get atx motherboards with wifi, you just have to pay a bit extra | Mar 23 06:30 |
| MinceR | even then only with some cats | Mar 23 06:30 |
| XRevan86 | One could argue the problem even only exists between the monitor and the chair :). | Mar 23 06:31 |
| cubexyz | garfield :) | Mar 23 06:31 |
| XRevan86 | (and that's the cat) | Mar 23 06:31 |
| XRevan86 | (and not the usual suspect :)) | Mar 23 06:35 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, guess the VGA connector is passé now | Mar 23 06:35 |
| cubexyz | oh wait, it's got HDMI and VGA | Mar 23 06:37 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: cats sleeping on laptop keyboards and pressing random keys to hell is quite common. | Mar 23 06:47 |
| oiaohm | https://mysmelly.com/content/cats/25-cats-on-keyboards-amp-laptops.htm Not one is good for the computer | Mar 23 06:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mysmelly.com | 25 Cats On Keyboards & Laptops [ http://ur1.ca/qob9k ] | Mar 23 06:49 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | Senate Republicans Just Sold You Out to Advertisers [ http://ur1.ca/qoeat ] | Mar 24 02:19 | |
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| razielle_tzu | sebsebseb: what's with the blank lines? | Mar 24 12:59 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: h eh nevermind | Mar 24 12:59 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: h eh I think this German girl likes me :d | Mar 24 12:59 |
| sebsebseb | oh just soeone was helping with mint | Mar 24 12:59 |
| sebsebseb | / linux | Mar 24 12:59 |
| razielle_tzu | ok | Mar 24 12:59 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: from technically the wrong channel for that, but anyway :d | Mar 24 13:00 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: now if only there were more British girls into Linux etc, hmm | Mar 24 13:00 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: by the way Unity 8 preview in Ubuntu 17.04 Beta 2. nice itw orked in virtualbox :) | Mar 24 13:01 |
| sebsebseb | the 16.10 one that I tried after though nope | Mar 24 13:01 |
| *razielle_tzu shrugs | Mar 24 13:01 | |
| razielle_tzu | i still don't like unity | Mar 24 13:01 |
| sebsebseb | on the verge of vm trying the new gnome shell | Mar 24 13:01 |
| sebsebseb | in ubuntu | Mar 24 13:01 |
| sebsebseb | the actsual ubuntu gnome iso | Mar 24 13:01 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: well its got like a app menu lanucher type thing in the unity 8 in 17.04 as well, that was nice :) | Mar 24 13:02 |
| sebsebseb | give it another year or so, and should be more developed | Mar 24 13:02 |
| sebsebseb | maybe even default for the next lts, maybe | Mar 24 13:02 |
| razielle_tzu | so... they did a microsoft? first get rid of the standard app menu/launcher and then bring it back? | Mar 24 13:02 |
| sebsebseb | well I think it was the ubuntu logo or something that bought a menu type thing up yeah | Mar 24 13:03 |
| sebsebseb | but that's more for things like libre office firefox and what not it seems | Mar 24 13:03 |
| sebsebseb | but that's great it works in virtualbox :) | Mar 24 13:03 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I am thinking of using virtualbox sto demo certain things at my event next month | Mar 24 13:03 |
| sebsebseb | instead of logging in and out of things | Mar 24 13:03 |
| sebsebseb | re booting lap top and what not uh | Mar 24 13:03 |
| sebsebseb | or re boot less | Mar 24 13:04 |
| razielle_tzu | virtualbox is fun, i'm using it now | Mar 24 13:04 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yes I have been today :) | Mar 24 13:04 |
| sebsebseb | and about to do Ubuntu GNOME as I put | Mar 24 13:04 |
| sebsebseb | indeed it's fun :) | Mar 24 13:04 |
| sebsebseb | and useful | Mar 24 13:04 |
| sebsebseb | what are you using it for ? | Mar 24 13:05 |
| razielle_tzu | i use it to run a small/lightweight VM on my gaming computer so i don't have to reboot to go back to linux | Mar 24 13:05 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yeah that's what I mean | Mar 24 13:05 |
| sebsebseb | can avoide having to re boot if got a v m for something | Mar 24 13:05 |
| sebsebseb | or having to log out | Mar 24 13:05 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I'll juse have to choose my host OS or for the most part, Ubuntu 17.04, or well probably Mageia 5 | Mar 24 13:06 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think Mageia 6 will be out in final in time for my event | Mar 24 13:06 |
| sebsebseb | that's something else, I want to virtual machine Mageia 6 then | Mar 24 13:06 |
| sebsebseb | the release candidate or whatever it will be at the time. | Mar 24 13:06 |
| razielle_tzu | i do everything on the VM in a terminal so i installed the guest addons and run it seamlessly with the terminal completely maxed out | Mar 24 13:06 |
| sebsebseb | can show other interfaces like xfce and such to | Mar 24 13:07 |
| sebsebseb | if I got a vm for that | Mar 24 13:07 |
| sebsebseb | rather than having to log in and out of each one on the phsyicall host, which takes time etc | Mar 24 13:07 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: and with 4gb ram altough could get a bit slowk, can probably run a few vm's really | Mar 24 13:07 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yep virgualbox is awesome :) | Mar 24 13:08 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: giving my talbet to my guy to fix tommorow | Mar 24 13:10 |
| sebsebseb | some cracked screen damage so | Mar 24 13:10 |
| sebsebseb | and using that device as a demo device at evenet to so | Mar 24 13:10 |
| sebsebseb | ubuntu tablet | Mar 24 13:10 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 24 13:10 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: gnome 3.24 looks impressive from what i saw on omgubuntu | Mar 24 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | the recpies program | Mar 24 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | games | Mar 24 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | program | Mar 24 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | weather built in over due for that | Mar 24 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | night light feature as well | Mar 24 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | let's try n a vm now then. ubuntu gnome 17.04 beta 2 | Mar 24 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: what do you think is the better interface to show at event, on the host. unity 7 or gnome shell | Mar 24 13:22 |
| razielle_tzu | plasm and /or lxde | Mar 24 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | h eh you really don't like either | Mar 24 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I could show in Mageia 5, but that's a older gnome shell | Mar 24 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | plus I'll have the gpd win along where can show that anyway | Mar 24 13:22 |
| razielle_tzu | if you want gnome use gnome classic or jump to mate/cinnamon | Mar 24 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | another guy will be showing fedora 25 | Mar 24 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | and then another guy will be oding mate as well | Mar 24 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | and someone will b e doing kde in aother distro as well | Mar 24 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: we have a nice selection of distros and interfaces really :d | Mar 24 13:23 |
| razielle_tzu | ooo i know... ratpoison, openbox and xfce | Mar 24 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | h eh | Mar 24 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | open box for the general public | Mar 24 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Mar 24 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | it's a black screen! | Mar 24 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | no no it's got a right click menu see! | Mar 24 13:24 |
| razielle_tzu | sure, with lxdepanel | Mar 24 13:24 |
| razielle_tzu | and conky | Mar 24 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | hmm maybe | Mar 24 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | if I can just log in with that set up | Mar 24 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking can briefuly if got itme show tings like open box and lxde and xfce as well | Mar 24 13:24 |
| razielle_tzu | my vm uses openbox, conky and tint2 | Mar 24 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | and those programs come up on auto log in ? | Mar 24 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | I know conky can be interesting have used that before | Mar 24 13:25 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Mar 24 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | but yeah openbox by itself is a bit u | Mar 24 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | h | Mar 24 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | black screen and right click menu as I put | Mar 24 13:25 |
| razielle_tzu | it's supposed to have other things like connky and tint2 added... the point is you make it look exactly how you want it to | Mar 24 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Mar 24 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | well maybe should look into that a bit then with your assitNACE | Mar 24 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | then can show that in a vm at least :d | Mar 24 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | or possibly | Mar 24 13:27 |
| razielle_tzu | sebsebseb: for a distro that runs openbox with tint2 and coky at login... download and play with bunsenlabs | Mar 24 13:27 |
| razielle_tzu | *conky | Mar 24 13:28 |
| razielle_tzu | https://www.bunsenlabs.org/ | Mar 24 13:29 |
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| razielle_tzu | anyway, i'll be back later. going to see people now | Mar 24 13:30 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Mar 24 13:31 |
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| MinceR | http://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/godsofthemoon.jpg | Mar 24 15:30 |
| MinceR | bunsenlabs is lendows | Mar 24 15:30 |
| MinceR | https://www.sixxs.net/sunset/ | Mar 24 15:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sixxs.net | Sunset :: SixXS - IPv6 Deployment & Tunnel Broker | Mar 24 15:54 | |
| schestowitz | what is this? | Mar 24 15:59 |
| schestowitz | never heard of either, MinceR | Mar 24 16:00 |
| schestowitz | (I suppose I could read up on it) | Mar 24 16:00 |
| MinceR | i assume you don't mean depression | Mar 24 16:01 |
| MinceR | bunsenlabs is some supposed sequel to crunchbang | Mar 24 16:01 |
| MinceR | only the people who made crunchbang forgot that it was supposed to be lightweight | Mar 24 16:01 |
| MinceR | (i.e. cancerd has no business appearing in it) | Mar 24 16:01 |
| MinceR | sixxs is an ipv6-over-ipv4 service | Mar 24 16:01 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/L2q56Cy.gifv (moar links on gallery page) | Mar 24 16:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Caught my cat stealing money from me. | Mar 24 16:23 | |
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| schestowitz | [20:01] <MinceR> bunsenlabs is some supposed sequel to crunchbang | Mar 24 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Mar 24 16:30 |
| schestowitz | I thought the original was still alive | Mar 24 16:30 |
| schestowitz | just stagnant | Mar 24 16:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <MinceR> only the people who made crunchbang forgot that it was supposed to be lightweight | Mar 24 16:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <MinceR> (i.e. cancerd has no business appearing in it) | Mar 24 16:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm not liking systemd | Mar 24 16:30 |
| schestowitz | I thankfully have some PCs left without it | Mar 24 16:30 |
| schestowitz | they perform a lot better | Mar 24 16:30 |
| schestowitz | applications start a lot faster, for instance | Mar 24 16:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 24 16:31 |
| schestowitz | server of techrights uses systemd | Mar 24 16:31 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines - NOT YET! | Mar 24 16:31 |
| MinceR | ew | Mar 24 16:31 |
| schestowitz | but I haven't profiled it properly | Mar 24 16:34 |
| schestowitz | performance I mean | Mar 24 16:34 |
| schestowitz | there are some factors not taken into account | Mar 24 16:34 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to hypothesise systemd ensures gnu linux is never suitable for desktops | Mar 24 16:34 |
| schestowitz | thus perpetuating vista* malware on desktop | Mar 24 16:34 |
| schestowitz | while red hat mostly gives a crap about servers | Mar 24 16:35 |
| schestowitz | just needs some gnome and tools for VMs, for newbie sysadmins who must use GUIs | Mar 24 16:35 |
| schestowitz | when did red hat last issue a press release about desktop? | Mar 24 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Canonical does, more so than Red Hat | Mar 24 16:36 |
| MinceR | cancerd also breaks servers | Mar 24 16:36 |
| MinceR | also canonical and ratcrap are both buddies with m$ now | Mar 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2017/03/curtain-merpels-final-epo-post.html?showComment=1490344152099#c6663410397289106590 | Mar 24 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Curtain - Merpel's final EPO post | Mar 24 16:36 | |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | The Administrative Council of the European Patent Organisation Has Just Buried an Innocent Judge That Battistelli Does Not Like | Mar 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2017/03/23/forgotten-casualties-of-battistelli-regime/ | Mar 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, MS pays them | Mar 24 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Administrative Council of the European Patent Organisation Has Just Buried an Innocent Judge That Battistelli Does Not Like | Techrights | Mar 24 16:36 | |
| schestowitz | dividends to move everything to patent-taxed Azure | Mar 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | with back doors | Mar 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/28/microsoft_update_servers_left_all_azure_rhel_instances_hackable/ | Mar 24 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft update servers left all Azure RHEL instances hackable • The Register | Mar 24 16:37 | |
| MinceR | >hackable | Mar 24 16:37 |
| MinceR | if only | Mar 24 16:37 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, they're crackable instead | Mar 24 16:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/adymitruk/status/845326321429336064 | Mar 24 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@adymitruk: What a brutal mark on Lenovo's reputation. Hope they turn things around. https://t.co/Dg0OkTwkvD | Mar 24 16:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: After getting burned by #microsoft deals #lenovo offers new #linux based phones https://t.co/2TQBMpBbrj recall https://t.co/PntgVUjKcc | Mar 24 16:39 | |
| schestowitz | They've improved since, in numerous ways I've noted. That's what we want. | Mar 24 16:39 |
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| MinceR | https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=149028593819547&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=149032069130072&w=2 | Mar 24 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marc.info | 'regarding OpenSSL License change' - MARC | Mar 24 19:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marc.info | 'GCC licence change' - MARC | Mar 24 19:36 | |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/KrZVDsP.png | Mar 24 22:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: OOP in C and ASM looks like what OOP users normally claim. Add C++ and other so called OOP languages hello rats nest. | Mar 24 22:33 |
| MinceR | wrong again | Mar 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | OOP in C often looks like an undecipherable tangle of ugly hacks | Mar 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | "look how cool this macro i've come up with to help implement OOP in C!" :macro doesn't work: | Mar 24 22:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.cs.rit.edu/~ats/books/ooc.pdf There are formal guides to-doing oop in C. Lots of macros is not OOP in C. Its a rats nest. | Mar 24 22:41 |
| MinceR | yes, and there are humans ignoring all formal guides and reason | Mar 24 22:42 |
| MinceR | also, OOP in C is unavoidably harder on the eyes and minds than OOP in C++ | Mar 24 22:42 |
| oiaohm | OOP in C and ASM are nightmares to read. | Mar 24 22:43 |
| oiaohm | https://lwn.net/Articles/444910/ The Linux kernel is OOP in C boy is it hell to read in places. | Mar 24 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Object-oriented design patterns in the kernel, part 1 [LWN.net] | Mar 24 22:44 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but guessing what a C++ or the like complier has added and end with you code doing something strange is worse. | Mar 24 22:45 |
| MinceR | people always assuming they're smarter than the compiler | Mar 24 22:46 |
| MinceR | and being wrong | Mar 24 22:46 |
| MinceR | business as usual. | Mar 24 22:46 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's a lawsuit against Microsoft in the Federal district court for Northern Illinois. | Mar 24 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Three people filed a lawsuit claiming that the Windows 10 upgrade installed itself without asking, trashed their computer, and cost them their data. | Mar 24 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | The lawyers are trying to get it turned into a class action. | Mar 24 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | Proprietary software EULAs are being stuffed with forced arbitration clauses, but the courts don't seem to care. | Mar 24 22:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no we are getting to the point compliers think they are smarter than the programmer where they alter the order operations happen in to save cpu time. Lets ignore that it has to be that way to work. | Mar 24 23:01 |
| *MinceR wonders what oiaohm will say when he realizes even CPUs have been reordering instructions for years | Mar 24 23:02 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: I have talked about the problems of that as well. | Mar 24 23:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Its hard enough dealing with CPU instruction reordering. Without complier instruction reodering. Modern cpu stall and fall back when their order prediction goes wrong. Complier normally does not code anything like that in. | Mar 24 23:29 |
| cubexyz | haha, a bingbot is cataloging all my bsod pics | Mar 25 01:07 |
| cubexyz | anyways, some things are definitely getting worse | Mar 25 01:11 |
| cubexyz | the web for example... | Mar 25 01:11 |
| cubexyz | it might be faster now, but it's definitely not better | Mar 25 01:11 |
| cubexyz | TVs are better though.. at least some of them are | Mar 25 01:13 |
| cubexyz | meh, not finding any Sharp LCD19D44U's | Mar 25 02:00 |
| cubexyz | good grief the search for an amiga monitor is taking a hell of a long time :-/ | Mar 25 02:01 |
| cubexyz | I should just by the adapter and start experimenting | Mar 25 02:02 |
| cubexyz | s/by/buy/ | Mar 25 02:03 |
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| cubexyz | ok, I know OneDrive probably doesn't work well on Linux, but why in the world would I ever use OneDrive? | Mar 25 11:00 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Do you drink alcohol? %) | Mar 25 11:31 |
| cubexyz | nope | Mar 25 11:31 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Then I see no reasons :). | Mar 25 11:32 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/4VV0pKI.gifv | Mar 25 12:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | I'm going to melt this cheese WCGW? | Mar 25 12:15 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/UEcJa | Mar 25 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zl0tv/why_use_a_tiling_window_manager_over_a_floating/ | Mar 25 15:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why use a tiling window manager over a floating one? : linux | Mar 25 15:55 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/STiiG | Mar 25 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oh glorious history - Album on Imgur | Mar 25 16:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60emmf/i_just_want_to_say_how_nice_new_installers_are/ | Mar 25 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I just want to say how nice new installers are. : linux | Mar 25 16:18 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/612khu/as_a_professional_video_editor_i_have_to_say/ | Mar 25 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | As a professional video editor I have to say Lightworks 14 beta is incredible ! I am so glad that I can finally, completely switch to Linux. : linux | Mar 25 16:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6114ou/i_guess_this_means_linux_also/ | Mar 25 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I guess this means linux also : linux | Mar 25 16:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=149032069130072&w=2 | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | To push this change through we are going to follow the re-licensing | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | procedure recently proposed by OpenSSL, which has been signed off by | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | their lawyers at the SFLC. This process has significant signoff from | Mar 25 16:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marc.info | 'GCC licence change' - MARC | Mar 25 16:43 | |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation, Intel, and others. | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-7.5 | Mar 25 16:43 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/618s9u/why_are_reported_bugs_so_often_ignored/ | Mar 25 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why are reported bugs so often ignored? : linux | Mar 25 16:56 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60z7bq/kernel_49_and_skylake_processors/ | Mar 25 17:19 |
| schestowitz | "The heck is that flair?" | Mar 25 17:19 |
| schestowitz | WJW | Mar 25 17:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | kernel 4.9 and skylake processors : linux | Mar 25 17:19 | |
| schestowitz | SJW | Mar 25 17:19 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 | Mar 25 17:19 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/613ghr/alleged_former_intel_engineer_warns_of_the/ | Mar 25 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Alleged Former Intel Engineer Warns of the Dangers of Intel ME. (no proof but interesting nonetheless). : linux | Mar 25 17:29 | |
| schestowitz | 4chan as a source? | Mar 25 17:29 |
| MinceR | hardly reliable | Mar 25 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | The lawsuit against MS for forcing the Windows 10 update on people without asking and trashing their data should be interesting. | Mar 25 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | I say that it does go class action and MSFT offers a settlement to make it go away. | Mar 25 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | It won't be much of a settlement. It'll be one of those "Gosh, we destroyed all your work? Here's $40.". | Mar 25 17:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 25 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | Still, people should sign up to get it since they do get $40 and don't have to exclude themselves and try to sue Microsoft individually later. | Mar 25 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | (Or whatever the settlement amount is.) | Mar 25 17:39 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: annoyingly, the TuxMachines bot works fine locally... just not on VPS. x_x | Mar 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | very odd | Mar 25 18:15 |
| schestowitz | why this and nowthe other bot? | Mar 25 18:15 |
| schestowitz | *now>not | Mar 25 18:15 |
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| qu1j0t3 | well, i had 3 connections going. tuxmachines was one of two that didn't work on vps. | Mar 25 18:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | i wonder if it's IP blocking | Mar 25 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | by freenode? | Mar 25 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, good, let me test | Mar 25 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/845765184761331712 | Mar 25 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Unintended learned helplessly in #gnu #linux when dumbed | Mar 25 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | down by #google https://t.co/ArX9BOSpht (i.redd.it) | Mar 25 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mar 25 18:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/845765475300626432 | Mar 25 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The End of Ownership | Mar 25 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/houqEpJ6zF (soundcloud.com) | Mar 25 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mar 25 18:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The End of Ownership by MOTHERBOARD | Free Listening on SoundCloud | Mar 25 18:33 | |
| schestowitz | It's alllive | Mar 25 18:33 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: cheers | Mar 25 18:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: by twitter. | Mar 25 18:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/845765607836528645 | Mar 25 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beginners Guide To Linux https://t.co/GxDIlyNUmK | Mar 25 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (recursive.codes) | Mar 25 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mar 25 18:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beginners Guide To Linux - recursive.codes | Mar 25 18:39 | |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: that would be odd, as the account itself didn't change its nature of activity | Mar 25 18:41 |
| schestowitz | nor did the bot AFAIK | Mar 25 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe only Twitter is changing | Mar 25 18:41 |
| schestowitz | because "trolls"/"terror"/"hate"/"copyright"... | Mar 25 18:41 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: could be various reason | Mar 25 18:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: false positive in algorithm | Mar 25 18:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | *shrug* | Mar 25 18:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | and yeah here we go, it just can't connect from vps | Mar 25 18:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i'm going to change IP and see what happens | Mar 25 18:49 |
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| MinceR | maybe you could stop relying on twatter :> | Mar 25 18:56 |
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| qu1j0t3 | okay, it's not IP based, i changed IP and no difference :| | Mar 25 18:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | i think i figured it out , schestowitz | Mar 25 19:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's related to the # cores vs # threads, and i downgraded the instance. fix should be easy. | Mar 25 19:16 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: ok, finally. | Mar 25 19:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Brother let me help you put some weight on that pavement sign! | Mar 19 11:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brother let me help you put some weight on that pavement sign! - Album on Imgur | Mar 19 11:30 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zbh1w/bought_this_for_my_1_month_old_son_my_wife_is_not/ | Mar 19 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Bought this for my 1 month old son. My wife is not so happy about it. : linux | Mar 19 14:13 | |
| schestowitz | "Wife is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." | Mar 19 14:13 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/605svb/ext4_can_store_checksums_of_your_metadata_now_as/ | Mar 19 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | EXT4 can store checksums of your metadata now! (as of e2fsprogs 1.43 eg. in Ubuntu 16.10) : linux | Mar 19 14:57 | |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zl1a7/linux_distros_that_do_not_use_systemd_or_can_be/ | Mar 19 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Linux distros that do not use systemd (or can be configured not to) : linux [ http://ur1.ca/qnuq4 ] | Mar 19 15:04 | |
| XRevan86 | > Any *BSD: Not actually the linux kernel but a good alternative. Includes MacOS | Mar 19 15:06 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zbjto/who_actually_gets_the_money_when_somebody_donates/ | Mar 19 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Who actually gets the money when somebody donates to https://www.archlinux.org/donate/? : linux [ http://ur1.ca/qnuqx ] | Mar 19 15:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Isn't it right there on the page? Software in the Public Interest foundation." | Mar 19 15:10 |
| XRevan86 | If macOS is *BSD and a good alternative, then I'm Marie Curie. | Mar 19 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: Marie Curie and STeve Jobs both died of cancer | Mar 19 21:00 |
| schestowitz | one copied with xrays | Mar 19 21:01 |
| schestowitz | the other copies ('stole' from) Xerox | Mar 19 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's one hell of an analogy :). | Mar 19 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | One is a science hero, one is a businessman. | Mar 19 21:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 19 22:21 |
| MinceR | more like a career criminal than a businessman | Mar 19 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I've use a softer term, as it still doesn't look pretty that way either :) | Mar 19 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | used* | Mar 19 22:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 19 22:23 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/IPY7Kq9.jpg | Mar 19 22:26 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/WpKhtQO.gifv | Mar 19 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | O.O | Mar 19 22:34 | |
| XRevan86 | is that a chicken or a rooster? | Mar 19 22:35 |
| MinceR | probably a rooster | Mar 19 22:36 |
| MinceR | but i'm no ornithologist | Mar 19 22:36 |
| MinceR | http://wandpcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/wandp71site.png | Mar 19 23:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Time for Wiktionary | Mar 19 23:12 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 19 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | Now I get it. | Mar 19 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | English is siiiiick | Mar 19 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | Such basic words, man. | Mar 19 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | Unlike Russian where the cognate means… err, dekulakisation %). | Mar 19 23:17 |
| XRevan86 | Totally 100% better, yeah. | Mar 19 23:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 19 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | Good night. | Mar 19 23:28 |
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| cubexyz | screw systemd, I won't use it | Mar 19 23:40 |
| cubexyz | FC1, openbsd, vector, slack, chromeos... | Mar 19 23:40 |
| cubexyz | probably other ones... oh yeah Fedora 14 | Mar 19 23:41 |
| cubexyz | I support Mint for customers | Mar 19 23:41 |
| cubexyz | too heavy a distro for me though | Mar 19 23:41 |
| cubexyz | makes the ol' Hp NX9030 chug a bit | Mar 19 23:42 |
| cubexyz | don't want to argue with systemd fans though, no thanks | Mar 19 23:42 |
| cubexyz | I had 9 gigs of udp port 123 traffic blocked this month | Mar 19 23:48 |
| cubexyz | insane... | Mar 19 23:48 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/spzoV.gif | Mar 20 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: nice one | Mar 20 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | > Here is today's batch. | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | > I'm looking into slimbook (r) notebooks and trying to get past a bug in | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | > their web order form. | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | That looks like a decent machine | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PEIangelis1/status/843832309157675008 | Mar 20 14:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PEIangelis1: @schestowitz @wikileaks Yep they seem to have limited creativity in terms of narrative development. Blahblah Russia… https://t.co/Wr282QEFlR | Mar 20 14:33 | |
| schestowitz | There are enough scandals associated with Trump opposing science and helping billionaires, no need for "Russia!" | Mar 20 14:33 |
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| cubexyz | hmmm, killing Xorg messes up klipper's history | Mar 20 15:02 |
| cubexyz | had to learn about invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE(s) today | Mar 20 15:06 |
| cubexyz | quite a pain actually | Mar 20 15:07 |
| cubexyz | I wonder if lifi is a thing yet or is it still in the lab stage | Mar 20 15:23 |
| cubexyz | supposedly it's way faster than wifi and has a much broader spectrum | Mar 20 15:24 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, sounds like it needs to be line-of-sight to work... | Mar 20 15:27 |
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| cubexyz | ok, I don't think it's widely available as yet | Mar 20 15:28 |
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| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/j2n6xoxl2kmy.jpg | Mar 20 19:01 |
| MinceR | https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/17265040_1397565410286680_115934218305117334_n.jpg?oh=27f236debb3a881e6c6099a397d961d0&oe=5972C25B | Mar 20 19:03 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/GrQosJb.gifv (sauce: https://imgur.com/gallery/Jz3Jd ) | Mar 20 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Mar 20 19:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nerf John Wick - Album on Imgur | Mar 20 19:42 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/wR1Zzcg.jpg (sauce: https://imgur.com/gallery/DDpkO ) | Mar 20 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As an artist myself who encourages creativity in my students, this makes me sad - Album on Imgur | Mar 20 20:07 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: cheers | Mar 20 21:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 20 21:48 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Apzsrtn.png | Mar 20 23:07 |
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| SilverSlimer | hey vallor! | Mar 21 00:51 |
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| MinceR | http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/1329cbCOMIC-trump-protects-americans.jpg | Mar 21 05:50 |
| cubeman_ | how about this gem: | Mar 21 06:55 |
| cubeman_ | "if you need to run windows on new hardware (Kaby Lake processors and later) you will have to install windows 10" | Mar 21 06:55 |
| cubeman_ | HA | Mar 21 06:56 |
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| cubexyz | I still use KDE actually | Mar 21 06:56 |
| cubexyz | just not exclusively | Mar 21 06:57 |
| cubexyz | to avoid M$ you have to think ahead... | Mar 21 06:59 |
| cubexyz | the trend now is to use an advertising based model for windows | Mar 21 07:03 |
| cubexyz | so that's going to be a pain for windows users | Mar 21 07:03 |
| cubexyz | oh and some tech told me something else interesting... | Mar 21 07:04 |
| cubexyz | he's seeing more BSODs on win10 than any version of windows past win2k | Mar 21 07:05 |
| MinceR | they like pain | Mar 21 07:10 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/yrpDlrR.jpg (sauce: https://imgur.com/gallery/iFeDP ) | Mar 21 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Went from really interesting to jusy down right funny - Album on Imgur | Mar 21 07:11 | |
| cubexyz | the nagware is just stupid | Mar 21 07:22 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/uNjQCt6.jpg | Mar 21 07:22 |
| cubexyz | I don't see enough ads already? I have to see them in solitaire? | Mar 21 07:24 |
| cubexyz | sure, the M$ apologists will keep on using it no matter what | Mar 21 07:26 |
| cubexyz | I'm way past that theshold | Mar 21 07:27 |
| oiaohm | I wonder if Microsoft is going to move the min hardware version to run Windows 10 as well. | Mar 21 07:30 |
| cubexyz | I predicted windows only computers 2 years ago | Mar 21 07:32 |
| cubexyz | all hardware must be researched and checked now | Mar 21 07:32 |
| oiaohm | Really we have buggy hardware in x86 that kind of hates everything. | Mar 21 07:35 |
| cubexyz | what would you recommend oiaohm ? | Mar 21 07:36 |
| oiaohm | Like realtek card reader inside without its unused ports correctly terminated in some laptops preventing people using windows from using the usb 3.0 mode and Linux users have to black list the not connected driver parts. | Mar 21 07:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Laptops and desktop certified for Linux. At least most of them contain hardware sanity. | Mar 21 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Please note the word most. Some still have stupid bit. | Mar 21 07:37 |
| MinceR | not only using it, also pushing it | Mar 21 07:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have to repair what ever. | Mar 21 07:41 |
| oiaohm | But something are more friendly. | Mar 21 07:41 |
| cubexyz | I've had pretty good experiences with ASUS motherboards | Mar 21 07:43 |
| oiaohm | ASUS are fairly good there are 1 or 2 boards that have odd ball features. Mostly targeting the gamer market. | Mar 21 07:46 |
| cubexyz | https://www.howtogeek.com/243581/windows-10-may-delete-your-programs-without-asking/ | Mar 21 08:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Windows 10 May Delete Your Programs Without Asking | Mar 21 08:09 | |
| cubexyz | funny (also not funny): | Mar 21 08:16 |
| cubexyz | A friend's Dell that uses bluetooth for everything was hosed beyond repair, because it killed the keyboard and mouse functionality even in the bios. He closed the popup for weeks and was caught by the latest "update" that made the red X mean "yes, please fubar my box." | Mar 21 08:16 |
| cubexyz | FUBARed to the BIOS level is a new level of FUBAR | Mar 21 08:17 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 21 08:27 |
| zoobab | hi | Mar 21 08:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | zoobab, hi | Mar 21 08:28 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: hi | Mar 21 09:34 |
| schestowitz | news? | Mar 21 09:34 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: back in 2006 dell also make a foobar bios update. | Mar 21 10:02 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: dell has done that from time to time. | Mar 21 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | https://dot.kde.org/2017/03/20/plasma-team-discusses-web-browser-integration-bundled-apps-and-new-features | Mar 21 10:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | Plasma Team Discusses Web-browser integration, Bundled Apps and new Features | KDE.news | Mar 21 10:09 | |
| schestowitz | no girls there | Mar 21 10:09 |
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| cubexyz | I asked Dell... as in Michael Dell, for BIOS source code | Mar 21 11:28 |
| cubexyz | naturally I was ignored | Mar 21 11:28 |
| cubexyz | you never know, sometimes asking for source code works :) | Mar 21 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Number one I could tell you that was not going to work. | Mar 21 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Because in most case Dell does not have the source code to their complete bios. | Mar 21 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Instead they got most of their bios and efi from third parties. | Mar 21 11:31 |
| cubexyz | ah, but this was for an old computer | Mar 21 11:31 |
| cubexyz | so I figured maybe | Mar 21 11:31 |
| cubexyz | I got 2011 era, 1999, and 1987 BIOS source | Mar 21 11:33 |
| cubexyz | even got MASM611 to assemble it | Mar 21 11:34 |
| cubexyz | I actually had an easier time with coreboot than the Award BIOS | Mar 21 11:35 |
| oiaohm | There are different bios makers from the 1980 to now that have never released a single bit of source code. | Mar 21 11:48 |
| oiaohm | And a lot of those vendors dell has used. | Mar 21 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Nothing like lack of quality control. | Mar 21 11:48 |
| cubexyz | Award got merged into Phoenix Technologies I think | Mar 21 11:49 |
| cubexyz | quite a while ago actually | Mar 21 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep and Phoenix Technologies has never released bios/efi source code even to vendors using their products. | Mar 21 11:51 |
| oiaohm | So lot of the bioses we have depend on only 1 company knows what is in them really in source code. | Mar 21 11:52 |
| cubexyz | the earliest clones I can remember had Phoenix BIOS | Mar 21 11:58 |
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| cubexyz | did you know early PCs didn't even have a serial or parallel port? | Mar 21 12:19 |
| cubexyz | maintainance programs were loaded through the keyboard port | Mar 21 12:20 |
| cubexyz | Programmable Peripheral Interface | Mar 21 12:34 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: https://t.co/Ytanx11RYs | Mar 21 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@theBDR: Saddest sign ever. https://t.co/Ytanx11RYs | Mar 21 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | humanity... or Hilton at least | Mar 21 14:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 21 14:56 |
| *MinceR displays the contents of a book to himself | Mar 21 14:57 | |
| MinceR | "Videri quam esse" | Mar 21 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | hope in humanity lost | Mar 21 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking, driving just to cruise is a bit like killing just to "hunt", for fun | Mar 21 15:08 |
| schestowitz | but pollution and murder aren't the same direct suffering | Mar 21 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Either way, one day books will be just a display item | Mar 21 15:09 |
| schestowitz | "naughty" because "no DRM" | Mar 21 15:09 |
| schestowitz | "piracy" | Mar 21 15:09 |
| MinceR | or they will be fuel | Mar 21 15:12 |
| MinceR | illegal ideas, plus the government can't see what you're reading | Mar 21 15:12 |
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| cubexyz | paper books avoids DRM | Mar 21 16:38 |
| cubexyz | and sure, minimizing resource use is smart and ethical | Mar 21 16:40 |
| cubexyz | minimizing e-waste... very important | Mar 21 16:43 |
| cubexyz | current level of consumption of resources is just not sustainable | Mar 21 16:43 |
| cubexyz | https://www.foe.co.uk/page/reducing-consumption | Mar 21 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foe.co.uk | Reducing consumption | Friends of the Earth [ http://ur1.ca/qo4st ] | Mar 21 16:44 | |
| cubexyz | at least let's use less plastic | Mar 21 16:46 |
| cubexyz | that's a no-brainer | Mar 21 16:46 |
| cubexyz | especially Bisphenol A | Mar 21 16:52 |
| cubexyz | need a way to list directories only in wide form | Mar 21 18:31 |
| cubexyz | tree -d -L 1 is close but I want it listed with multiple directories in each line | Mar 21 18:33 |
| cubexyz | ls -d */ | Mar 21 18:42 |
| zoobab | @cubexyz still hunting for a decent parallel port replacement | Mar 21 18:48 |
| cubexyz | no, I was just trying to remember if the original IBM PC came with a parallel port | Mar 21 18:53 |
| cubexyz | I still use parallel port sometimes | Mar 21 18:54 |
| cubexyz | all my linux boxes have parallel ports except for the chromebook | Mar 21 19:06 |
| cubexyz | /dev/parport0 etc | Mar 21 19:07 |
| zoobab | I tried ch341 usb chip | Mar 21 19:15 |
| zoobab | but it does not emulate a full parallel port | Mar 21 19:15 |
| zoobab | https://github.com/zoobab/ch341-parport | Mar 21 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - zoobab/ch341-parport: Parallel port driver for Linux for WinChipHead ch341 chip | Mar 21 19:16 | |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure what to recommend these days actually | Mar 21 19:20 |
| cubexyz | startech makes several different cards | Mar 21 19:20 |
| cubexyz | I heard Syba was good | Mar 21 19:22 |
| zoobab | cardbus card has full modes | Mar 21 19:22 |
| cubexyz | my old toughbook had a parallel port built-in | Mar 21 19:24 |
| cubexyz | everything except chromebook and zaurus | Mar 21 19:25 |
| cubexyz | not that I use parallel port a ton but I do use it to get files over to the amiga sometimes | Mar 21 19:26 |
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| cubexyz | hmm, bridging the two routers is harder than I thought :-/ | Mar 22 11:43 |
| cubexyz | the bell fibe service has good upload speed though | Mar 22 11:44 |
| cubexyz | the old dsl upload speed was positively dire | Mar 22 11:44 |
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| cubexyz | ok, just have to figure out which wifi receiver card is good and I'm done | Mar 22 12:05 |
| cubexyz | :w | Mar 22 14:21 |
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| cubexyz | well learned a bit today | Mar 22 15:11 |
| cubexyz | wifi on the acer laptop shuts off when you close the lid | Mar 22 15:11 |
| cubexyz | no idea why that is | Mar 22 15:12 |
| cubexyz | the wired ethernet connection doesn't do that | Mar 22 15:12 |
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| One_ | LOAT decisions Report on the 123rd session of the ILOAT At its 123rd session, the Administrative Tribunal of the International Labour Organization (the Tribunal) delivered 97 judgments involving 21 Organisations. In total the Tribunal dismissed the complaints in 60 judgments and granted them, partly or in full, in 37 judgments. The judgments have been exceptionally delivered in two steps with 4 judgments on 30 November 2016 and 9 | Mar 22 16:38 |
| One_ | The EPO took specific measures to address the orders contained in the two judgments delivered in November 2016. These judgments concerned the composition of the Appeals Committee (No. 3785) and the competent authority to hear a request for review (No. 3796). The judgment delivered by the Dutch Supreme Court on 20 January 2017 whereby the Court upheld the legal protection available to staff of the EPO through the internal and externa | Mar 22 16:39 |
| One_ | As for the EPO, 33 judgments were delivered in total, with 2 judgments on 30 November 2016 and 31 on 8 February 2017. In his introductory statement of the public delivery on 8 February 2017, the President of the Tribunal noted with satisfaction that: | Mar 22 16:39 |
| One_ | safeguarding the role of the Tribunal in the legal protection of staff of international organisations. | Mar 22 16:39 |
| One_ | Out of the 33 judgments involving EPO, the following figures are worth highlighting. 25 judgments confirmed in full the position of the Office. This is a high success rate in absolute (i.e. when compared to the EPO's own figures) as well as relative terms (i.e. when the EPO is compared to other international organisations). | Mar 22 16:39 |
| One_ | 3 judgments in which the substance of the challenged decisions was not at stake but where, due to the length of the procedures, moral damages have been awarded to the complainants (Nos. 3782 and 3795 for the duration of the internal appeals procedure and No. 3792 for a medical issue). | Mar 22 16:40 |
| One_ | 2 cases were lost on the substance (No. 3781 regarding school fees - Article 120a ServRegs - and No. 3788 regarding the computation of reckonable experience). | Mar 22 16:40 |
| One_ | 3 judgments referring cases back to the EPO for resuming the internal procedures, without any comment on the substance of the challenged decisions. The decisions concerned relate to the right to strike and the New Career system (Nos. 3786 and 3796). | Mar 22 16:40 |
| One_ | On the substance the following needs to be highlighted. In judgments Nos. 3786 and 3796 the Tribunal confirmed its case law (No. 3700, consideration 7) concerning the competent authority to hear a request for review or an appeal. Hence the Tribunal interpreted the applicable provisions (Articles 107(2), 109(2), 109(4) and (110(1) ServRegs) as follows. | Mar 22 16:41 |
| One_ | For employees appointed by the President, all requests for review must be lodged with, and decided by, the President; For employees appointed by the Council: | Mar 22 16:41 |
| One_ | requests for review against individual decisions concerning them and taken by the Council must be lodged with, and decided by, the Council, whereas requests for review against individual decisions concerning them and taken by the President must be lodged with, and decided by, the President. | Mar 22 16:42 |
| One_ | Furthermore, the Tribunal conveyed the following messages to the stakeholders. Defendant organisations need to handle staff requests and internal appeals diligently (judgments Nos. 3782, 3795 and 3792). Thus the Tribunal confirms its case law that dealings between an organisation and its staff should comply with the duty of care and due diligence. | Mar 22 16:42 |
| One_ | Complainants should pay attention to the following messages. Care needs to be taken to identify the right decision to be challenged and to exhaust all internal means of redress before filing a complaint (judgments Nos. 3779, 3780, 3791, 3811). | Mar 22 16:42 |
| One_ | If a given situation has already been settled through previous judgments further cases raising the same topic will therefore be rejected on the same grounds (judgments Nos. 3786, 3789, 3806, 3810). | Mar 22 16:43 |
| One_ | Several cases were found to be clearly devoid of merits as they raised "entirely unsubstantiated allegations [of harassment] and amount[ed] to mere assertions" (judgment No. 3806, consideration 6) and a further complaint was considered as being "no more than a collateral attack on judgment 3426" (judgment No. 3807, consideration 4) or "speculative assertions" (judgment No. 3808, consideration 5). | Mar 22 16:43 |
| One_ | To conclude, the Tribunal stressed again the respective responsibilities of the stakeholders for the functioning of the legal protection of staff through a system of internal and external means of redress. It is of paramount importance for all stakeholders to preserve it by using it in line with the above. | Mar 22 16:43 |
| One_ | 14.03.17 | Author: Employment Law - Employment Law | Target group: DG4, DG5, President-DG0, DG1, DG2, BoA | Mar 22 16:44 |
| One_ | That´s how the ILOAT decisions were presented to the EPO staff ... | Mar 22 16:44 |
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| MarkBilk | Nice video on backdoors in Intel and AMD CPUs: Is Your CPU Spying On You? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grb-_xdqpEQ | Mar 22 18:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is Your CPU Spying On You? - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/qo8b6 ] | Mar 22 18:38 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 22 18:47 |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk: based on what evidence? | Mar 22 18:53 |
| schestowitz | in this case? | Mar 22 18:53 |
| schestowitz | ME etc? | Mar 22 18:53 |
| MarkBilk | yes | Mar 22 18:54 |
| schestowitz | vault7 doesn't suggest they use that much | Mar 22 18:54 |
| schestowitz | they probably don't need to even drill down to the chip level | Mar 22 18:54 |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk: will watch, thanks | Mar 22 18:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rw_fraley/status/844623071247945728 | Mar 22 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rw_fraley: @schestowitz @TheMusach @tandk9596 @wikileaks it's so true. The biggest change in my life is because I begin to read labels and compare | Mar 22 18:55 | |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk: thanks, good vide | Mar 22 18:59 |
| schestowitz | just shared it | Mar 22 18:59 |
| schestowitz | doesn't address too technical an audience, so anyone can grasp it | Mar 22 18:59 |
| MarkBilk | It's another weapon the ruling psychopaths can use to control everyone on the planet if most people become aware of them and start resisting. MSwindows and probably systemd are avl to them also. | Mar 22 18:59 |
| MarkBilk | schestowitz: yw! Lots of good stuff on youtube -- worth checking every day and subscribing to good channels. | Mar 22 19:01 |
| schestowitz | also mentioned the baseband OS | Mar 22 19:03 |
| schestowitz | so covers all the key points | Mar 22 19:03 |
| schestowitz | with diagrams for the newbs | Mar 22 19:03 |
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| MinceR | https://www.shoelace.org/pics/2016/12-31-2016/winter-sucks-set-fire.gif | Mar 22 22:38 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Ab7WhGa.gifv | Mar 22 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | I identify as an AH-64 Apache...this is just my pre-Date routine | Mar 22 22:40 | |
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| cubexyz | if there's ME stuff in vault7 I should dig into it again | Mar 23 06:45 |
| cubexyz | it appears that the intel ME is actually part of the CPU in some cases | Mar 23 06:49 |
| cubexyz | or at least closely integrated into the northbridge | Mar 23 06:50 |
| cubexyz | the bell fibe hardware actually runs a web server on my PVR | Mar 23 06:51 |
| cubexyz | a portal for techs I reckon | Mar 23 06:52 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/jRAqSTri66I This is Mozilla developers listing why dropping Alsa. | Mar 23 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com | Google Groups | Mar 23 07:44 | |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: regarding how much i care about mozilla's excuses: http://i.imgur.com/2bY9hT4.jpg | Mar 23 08:21 |
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| MinceR | also, if alsa is so evil, how are they going to drive the hardware under poettering's train wreck? | Mar 23 08:21 |
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| schestowitz | [06:45] <cubexyz> if there's ME stuff in vault7 I should dig into it again | Mar 23 08:32 |
| schestowitz | None that I have seen so far | Mar 23 08:32 |
| schestowitz | it does show they bypass encryption by taking over the OS though (mobile), does not mention the baseband OS | Mar 23 08:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: going on top of pulseaudio means they don't have to maintainer their own 5.1 to 2 channel audio converter. | Mar 23 08:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also that forces apulse wrapper to implement that. | Mar 23 08:35 |
| MinceR | i see you love forcing | Mar 23 08:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly why should programs have to implement there own copies of those converters. | Mar 23 08:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not that I like forcing. I am willing to admit what the problem is. | Mar 23 08:51 |
| MinceR | no, you are not | Mar 23 08:56 |
| MinceR | you don't even seem to be aware of what the problem is | Mar 23 08:56 |
| oiaohm | Request to add a mixer system to support 5.1 and all those other parts was first placed in the alsa-project bugzilla in 1998 by me. | Mar 23 08:59 |
| oiaohm | So its now almost 20 years later. | Mar 23 09:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so I am kinda aware of the problem and how little progress Alsa has been making. | Mar 23 09:01 |
| oiaohm | At some point someone was going to go stuff it. | Mar 23 09:01 |
| MinceR | no, the problem is that redhat is trying to co-opt control of everything on unix | Mar 23 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Same with ignoring that sysvinit did not match the Linux kernel and saying lets keep on using it. That was going to have to end at some point. | Mar 23 09:02 |
| MinceR | they're trying to turn all free software into a closed shop where they call all the shots and if you want something, you have to pay them | Mar 23 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Who ever puts up the resources to fix the problem decides how it fixed. | Mar 23 09:03 |
| MinceR | at some point != we didn't care until today, but now it must happen by yesterday | Mar 23 09:03 |
| oiaohm | If you don't like it you should be working on getting resources for other groups. | Mar 23 09:03 |
| MinceR | i am working on fixing the redhat problem, actually | Mar 23 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Complain about pulseaudio and systemd will not fix anything. | Mar 23 09:04 |
| oiaohm | What is needing is working solutions. | Mar 23 09:04 |
| MinceR | devuan is a working solution | Mar 23 09:04 |
| oiaohm | So you have to understand why groups will be going pulseaudio to understand what is wrong with ALSA. | Mar 23 09:04 |
| MinceR | i'll eventually write a semi-automatic mount tool to fill the hole udisks2 has left behind | Mar 23 09:05 |
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| MinceR | you have to understand how free software works to understand what is wrong with mozilla and redhat | Mar 23 09:05 |
| oiaohm | Devuan uses sysvinit , offers openrc , runit , sinit and out that list only openrc really works with how the Linux kernel is designed. | Mar 23 09:06 |
| oiaohm | Yet that is not where Devuan is focusing their resources. | Mar 23 09:06 |
| oiaohm | So projects like Devuan are fairly much spinning their wheels getting no where. | Mar 23 09:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: reality you don't want change so you will stay with techically incompatible and yell at anyone who attempt to go after compadible to kernel solution. | Mar 23 09:08 |
| MinceR | getting nowhere is preferable to turning unix into windows | Mar 23 09:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: throwing words like "reality" doesn't actually change reality | Mar 23 09:08 |
| oiaohm | Sorry systemd is not designed after WIndows. It design after solarias. | Mar 23 09:09 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: fact is, gnu/linux worked before redhat started playing microsoft | Mar 23 09:09 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: solaris is broken as well. | Mar 23 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Not fact | Mar 23 09:09 |
| MinceR | unix is not solaris; unix is not windows. | Mar 23 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Saying fact is does not make it true. | Mar 23 09:09 |
| MinceR | ooh, then i must have lived in an illusion before | Mar 23 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Alsa has been known broken since it was made because it standard was never completed. | Mar 23 09:10 |
| MinceR | good thing PA isn't broken | Mar 23 09:10 |
| MinceR | oh wait | Mar 23 09:10 |
| MinceR | i guess the problem is with me, in that i don't enjoy random skips in music | Mar 23 09:10 |
| MinceR | perhaps poettering should found his own new music genre | Mar 23 09:10 |
| oiaohm | You get random skips in music running Alsa without pulseaudio on some hardware as well. | Mar 23 09:11 |
| MinceR | like nightcore, except instead of speeding up, he'd insert random intervals of silence in random places | Mar 23 09:11 |
| MinceR | he could call it pulsecore or something | Mar 23 09:11 |
| MinceR | no, i don't get it | Mar 23 09:11 |
| oiaohm | And random skips under alsa disappear if you load palseaudio. | Mar 23 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Because there are ways to make incomplete dmix play up. | Mar 23 09:11 |
| MinceR | once again, stop breaking people's stuff for other people's fringe use cases | Mar 23 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Pulseaudio exists because ALSA is majorally broken. | Mar 23 09:12 |
| MinceR | if alsa is broken, fix alsa | Mar 23 09:12 |
| MinceR | instead of piling yet another broken layer on top | Mar 23 09:12 |
| MinceR | and especially instead of forcing everyone to use that broken layer on top | Mar 23 09:12 |
| oiaohm | Not simple to fix. | Mar 23 09:12 |
| oiaohm | ALSA need a v2 like cgroups did. | Mar 23 09:13 |
| oiaohm | ALSA need to be ripped to the ground and rebuilt. The ABI design of ALSA is complete fail. | Mar 23 09:13 |
| cubexyz | umm | Mar 23 09:14 |
| cubexyz | I worked with Alsa -> SDL and it worked pretty good | Mar 23 09:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: tried removing a sound card. | Mar 23 09:14 |
| cubexyz | most of the LGP games used it | Mar 23 09:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: or adding one. | Mar 23 09:14 |
| MinceR | i suspect cgroups will need a v3 :> | Mar 23 09:14 |
| MinceR | 23 101151 < MinceR> once again, stop breaking people's stuff for other people's fringe use cases | Mar 23 09:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: v2 in cgroups is way better than v1. | Mar 23 09:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: if you like one vendor playing king and forcing shit on everybody, go use windows | Mar 23 09:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: apparently v2 still doesn't fucking work | Mar 23 09:15 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I can't remember the last time I added a sound card to anything | Mar 23 09:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: but i guess that's not a problem for you guys | Mar 23 09:15 |
| cubexyz | sb32 maybe was the last one :) | Mar 23 09:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have used cgroup v2. It works. | Mar 23 09:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cgroup v1 you could put a process in a IO controller and cpu access controller with confliting settings. | Mar 23 09:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and yet cancerd still can't terminate processes properly on shutdown | Mar 23 09:16 |
| cubexyz | let me see... the old server box had ummm... | Mar 23 09:16 |
| MinceR | and they claim it's because of cgroups | Mar 23 09:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also ALSA has had the trouble of no proper testsuite so vendors writing drivers how ever they like. | Mar 23 09:17 |
| cubexyz | Ensoniq CT4810 PCI sound card | Mar 23 09:17 |
| MinceR | i guess shutting down is not a functionality of an "init system" anymore :> | Mar 23 09:17 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: i can imagine how traumatic it must be to you that some people get to do what they like. | Mar 23 09:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so vendors forcing crap on developers is exactly what has been happening with ALSA so why are you still compaling. | Mar 23 09:17 |
| MinceR | but once again, there's windows for you. | Mar 23 09:17 |
| cubexyz | the sound stuff on the motherboard has been good enough I guess | Mar 23 09:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you have said if vendors were forcing stuff you people you would be back on Windows. | Mar 23 09:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not redhat that is the only problem here. | Mar 23 09:18 |
| cubexyz | I wonder what chromeos uses | Mar 23 09:18 |
| MinceR | indeed it is not | Mar 23 09:18 |
| MinceR | it's also microsoft and canonical | Mar 23 09:18 |
| MinceR | the rest of this triad of evil | Mar 23 09:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about realtek | Mar 23 09:18 |
| MinceR | but redhat is most active | Mar 23 09:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about dell | Mar 23 09:18 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i don't remember realtek killing the distro i was using | Mar 23 09:19 |
| MinceR | dHell makes shitty hardware and provides no warranty, but i don't see how that's relevant | Mar 23 09:19 |
| cubexyz | btw on openbsd we use sndio :) | Mar 23 09:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have had realtek sound cards cause systems not to boot. | Mar 23 09:19 |
| cubexyz | works fine | Mar 23 09:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and that is runnign Linux | Mar 23 09:19 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: but but but slowlaris is the only unix, don't you see? :> | Mar 23 09:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: please note sndio is a standardised sound server. | Mar 23 09:20 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: taht the bsd world was sane todo. | Mar 23 09:20 |
| cubexyz | the BSD world is saner nowadays | Mar 23 09:21 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sndio Yes sndio will covert 5.1 from an application to 2 for speakers or 2 channel to 5.1 | Mar 23 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | sndio - Wikipedia | Mar 23 09:21 | |
| cubexyz | that's why I always keep a couple of BSD boxes around | Mar 23 09:21 |
| MinceR | they don't have redhat, at least not yet | Mar 23 09:21 |
| MinceR | OTOH freebsd has its gaggle of crApple/m$ worshipers | Mar 23 09:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the reality is ALSA in it current form is not providing min requirements it should even when you compare to what you get on a BSD system. | Mar 23 09:22 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the reality is PA does neither | Mar 23 09:22 |
| oiaohm | Even the BSD init on a BSD kernel has better process tracking. | Mar 23 09:23 |
| MinceR | then go use bsd | Mar 23 09:23 |
| oiaohm | Than sysvinit or runit | Mar 23 09:23 |
| cubexyz | I'm typing on BSD right now :) | Mar 23 09:23 |
| oiaohm | PA does in fact do 5.1 to 2 and 2 to 5.1 | Mar 23 09:23 |
| MinceR | so, not knowing whether processes have exited when you're shutting down is "better process tracking", now? | Mar 23 09:23 |
| MinceR | or are you just ignoring any fact that's inconvenient to you? | Mar 23 09:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: better process tracking means you know what in fact started X process. | Mar 23 09:24 |
| MinceR | or are you comparing the sysvinit we do have with the systemd you imagine you might eventually have? | Mar 23 09:24 |
| MinceR | oh, i see | Mar 23 09:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not have everything magically connected to PID 1 with no clue what started it. | Mar 23 09:24 |
| MinceR | so you like a bloated "init system" that can't boot or shutdown reliably | Mar 23 09:24 |
| MinceR | but why is it such a trauma to you that other people disagree about that? | Mar 23 09:24 |
| oiaohm | In fact I like openrc more than systemd due to less bloat. | Mar 23 09:25 |
| MinceR | so why do you shill cancerd every day? | Mar 23 09:25 |
| oiaohm | I wish there was another way with a Linux kernel to do process tracking correctly but the only working option cgroups. | Mar 23 09:25 |
| MinceR | why do you keep bringing up slowlaris as *the* unix? | Mar 23 09:25 |
| MinceR | no, cgroups is not "working" | Mar 23 09:25 |
| oiaohm | I don't shill for cancerd. I hate people suggesting solutions to systemd that are not solutions. | Mar 23 09:25 |
| MinceR | even cancerd "developers" know that | Mar 23 09:25 |
| oiaohm | For process tracking that works in cgroupv1 | Mar 23 09:26 |
| MinceR | but you don't hate people suggesting solutions to non-poetteringware that are not solutions | Mar 23 09:26 |
| cubexyz | I'm cancerd free now :) | Mar 23 09:26 |
| MinceR | so am i | Mar 23 09:26 |
| cubexyz | I deleted fedora 16 :) | Mar 23 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Its when you attempt to use IO controls and the like in cgroupv1 does cgroupv1 go wrong. | Mar 23 09:26 |
| MinceR | if mozilla tries to force poetteringware on me, i'll just stop using mozilla | Mar 23 09:26 |
| MinceR | fuck mozilla | Mar 23 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Of course of systemd was simpler like openrc those io controllers issues on cgroup v1 would not have happened. | Mar 23 09:27 |
| cubexyz | really what I want is an os that works and is understandable | Mar 23 09:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when you choose X kernel it as X feature this means you have X feature limited ways of doing stuff. | Mar 23 09:28 |
| cubexyz | that's why I have fun programming with unix v5 | Mar 23 09:28 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so you don't like me being able to _choose_ | Mar 23 09:29 |
| cubexyz | I keep the old stuff around... | Mar 23 09:29 |
| MinceR | like i said, if you want users to have no choice, there's windows for that | Mar 23 09:29 |
| cubexyz | loki and lgp games worked fine on FC1 | Mar 23 09:29 |
| MinceR | and there's also macos for that | Mar 23 09:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I want to be able to choose between stuff that has a chance of working correctly all the time. | Mar 23 09:29 |
| cubexyz | I admit they are pretty old | Mar 23 09:29 |
| MinceR | hell, macos won't even let you choose hardware | Mar 23 09:29 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: then keep on living in this dream world where stuff well known to be broken works perfectly all the time | Mar 23 09:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I don't like have to choose between broken in X conditions for broken in Y condition. | Mar 23 09:30 |
| cubexyz | mac is off the radar | Mar 23 09:30 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: i'm putting it on the radar :> | Mar 23 09:30 |
| MinceR | apparently some people enjoy being oppressed | Mar 23 09:31 |
| MinceR | they can have that with crApple products | Mar 23 09:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note my world "chance". I don't expect it to work all the time. But I don't want to go and do basic feature checks and find critical things missing. | Mar 23 09:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: starting services being unable to track them so unable to terminate them cleanly every single time I don't class as acceptable. | Mar 23 09:32 |
| MinceR | you want to be ignorant of critical things being missing? | Mar 23 09:32 |
| MinceR | or you don't consider being able to boot or shut down as "critical" to an "init system"? | Mar 23 09:32 |
| cubexyz | heck, I'm still learning about openmotif stuff... so much to learn | Mar 23 09:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: do current versions of systemd have that issue. | Mar 23 09:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the reality is you are stuck in past with a lot of the issues you bring up. | Mar 23 09:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes at the time those faults I classed as not acceptable. | Mar 23 09:33 |
| cubexyz | I'm stuck in the past because I know the past :) | Mar 23 09:34 |
| cubexyz | I get upgrade fatigue | Mar 23 09:34 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: but where you go is init systems matched to kernel. | Mar 23 09:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the reality is everybody is stuck in the past because the speed of light is not infinite. | Mar 23 09:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the reality is also that i don't have the time or the energy or the patience to test bleeding edge crap daily to see if it's less broken | Mar 23 09:34 |
| MinceR | especially when i can already tell that the underlying design is braindead | Mar 23 09:35 |
| cubexyz | are these nano usb wifi adapters any good? | Mar 23 09:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: software needs to mature before it's usable in production environments | Mar 23 09:35 |
| cubexyz | they seem to be in the clearance section for some reason :-/ | Mar 23 09:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: afaict systemd has not yet been released in a stable release of a distro in a version that is itself mature | Mar 23 09:35 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: nano usb wifi mostly no human hand/arm is mostly water and blocks wifi very good. | Mar 23 09:36 |
| cubexyz | oh dear, 1 out of 5 rating | Mar 23 09:36 |
| cubexyz | ok, I'll not bother then | Mar 23 09:36 |
| MinceR | what have human arms have to do with nano usb wifi adapters? | Mar 23 09:36 |
| cubexyz | "not reliable" say all the reviewers | Mar 23 09:36 |
| MinceR | i've had good results with some mini tenda usb wifi dongles that can work as access points | Mar 23 09:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: they are normally stuck in laptops and where do people put there computer mouse. Little thinking should work out problem. | Mar 23 09:37 |
| MinceR | i put my mouse away from the laptop so it doesn't bump into the laptop when i move left | Mar 23 09:37 |
| MinceR | but i suppose there's a lesser amount of thinking that would cause that problem | Mar 23 09:37 |
| MinceR | then again, i didn't plug those dongles directly into a laptop | Mar 23 09:38 |
| MinceR | they were either plugged directly into a rpi2, or into a laptop via a cable so i could put it where it had better reception | Mar 23 09:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so you gave it some cable and kept it away from the block of water that is a human. | Mar 23 09:38 |
| MinceR | (and no, not because of anyone's hand) | Mar 23 09:39 |
| cubexyz | the antenna must be very tiny | Mar 23 09:39 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it isn't significantly different from a normal-sized usb dongle | Mar 23 09:39 |
| MinceR | it is | Mar 23 09:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is significatly different to some normal-sized usb dongles. | Mar 23 09:39 |
| MinceR | unless they can use some trickery to use the wire inside the computer as antenna :> | Mar 23 09:40 |
| cubexyz | I need PCI for the older computers | Mar 23 09:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: why is some normal sized dongles are a nano usb wifi dongle with airspace. | Mar 23 09:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: because manufacturing both normal and nano sized components could be more expensive? | Mar 23 09:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: correct it a price cut. But the true fullsize has bigger arials and tollerates more interference. | Mar 23 09:41 |
| MinceR | too few people care about that | Mar 23 09:43 |
| MinceR | it's the tragedy of the market economy | Mar 23 09:43 |
| MinceR | clueless masses determine everything, so good products die and we all get only crap | Mar 23 09:44 |
| cubexyz | I hate it when I search for PCI and get PCI express instead | Mar 23 09:44 |
| oiaohm | I know the difference because using a 40db dish with wifi you need proper. | Mar 23 09:44 |
| MinceR | i probably couldn't buy such equipment here | Mar 23 09:44 |
| MinceR | they hardly sell anything here | Mar 23 09:44 |
| oiaohm | The wifi dongles I use for that are off the shelf in many places. | Mar 23 09:45 |
| oiaohm | Not special orders. | Mar 23 09:45 |
| MinceR | in australia, yes | Mar 23 09:46 |
| MinceR | in hungary, no | Mar 23 09:46 |
| cubexyz | you guys can buy chromebooks though right? | Mar 23 09:47 |
| MinceR | only some uninteresting models | Mar 23 09:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so no tp-link stuff over there. | Mar 23 09:48 |
| MinceR | i think there is some tp-link stuff here | Mar 23 09:48 |
| MinceR | at least SOHO routers | Mar 23 09:48 |
| cubexyz | tp-link is OK? | Mar 23 09:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it one of the cheaper brands that don't to cut down usb dongals in in full size usb dongle cases. | Mar 23 09:49 |
| MinceR | i've heard their quality varies wildly | Mar 23 09:49 |
| oiaohm | There is a price for cheap. | Mar 23 09:49 |
| cubexyz | my choice for wifi PCI card seems to be either intel or tp-link | Mar 23 09:51 |
| oiaohm | The big give away to nano wifi in a full size usb dongle case is normally complete lack of externel arial support. | Mar 23 09:51 |
| oiaohm | tp-link sells a stack of external aerials to extend range. | Mar 23 09:51 |
| oiaohm | So a full sized USB dongle without a external aerial straight up skip it. | Mar 23 09:52 |
| MinceR | not sure about that -- the connector for the external aerial also has its extra costs | Mar 23 09:53 |
| MinceR | plus i'm not sure of the EU/hungarian authorities' stance on such aerials | Mar 23 09:53 |
| oiaohm | To support external aerials is required for PCI/PCI-e cards. | Mar 23 09:54 |
| oiaohm | So they allow wifi they have to allow the external aerial port. | Mar 23 09:54 |
| MinceR | they could still use a proprietary connector on a connection that can't be cleanly dismantled by the consumer, though | Mar 23 09:55 |
| oiaohm | http://76.my/Malaysia/tp-link-high-gain-wireless-n-usb-adapter-wifi-tl-wn722n-ookas-1205-02-ookas@6.jpg Note how this one has high gain written on it. | Mar 23 09:56 |
| oiaohm | The external aerial port equals bigger amps in the stick as well. So it does eat some more power. | Mar 23 09:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and the good brands they are a standard port. | Mar 23 09:57 |
| cubexyz | neat | Mar 23 09:58 |
| MinceR | yeah, neat | Mar 23 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Please note you can by tp-links in large case cheaper without the aerial port and they are nano in big case. | Mar 23 09:58 |
| MinceR | i wonder if it works with gnu/linux | Mar 23 09:58 |
| oiaohm | So some of the complaint about tp-link being different quality with wifi is people not paying attention to what they are buying. | Mar 23 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes the port on the side of that tp-link is the same port tp-link cards have on the back of a computer. | Mar 23 10:00 |
| oiaohm | from pci | Mar 23 10:00 |
| MinceR | i think the specific complaint i remembered was about routers | Mar 23 10:00 |
| oiaohm | You see tp-link routers with and without aerials. | Mar 23 10:00 |
| oiaohm | Yep router with nano wifi hardware is not good. | Mar 23 10:00 |
| oiaohm | Tp-link is cheap and they will sell you too cheap. | Mar 23 10:01 |
| oiaohm | Of course there are other brands that you are looking for exactly the same things. | Mar 23 10:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/arc-wireless-ant-186-arc-30dbi-5ghz-dual-pol-dish-antenna-arc-wireless/ I don't think you would be allowed to by aerials like this and hook up to a router. | Mar 23 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ARC Wireless ANT-186 ARC 30dBi 5GHz Dual Pol Dish Antenna - Kogan.com [ http://ur1.ca/qob6q ] | Mar 23 10:05 | |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 23 10:05 |
| oiaohm | That what you call needing serous range. | Mar 23 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Yes the 180 AUD is normally more than the wifi parts it connected it. | Mar 23 10:06 |
| oiaohm | So break anything bar the dish. | Mar 23 10:06 |
| cubexyz | if you install firmware-atheros the TL-WN772N should work | Mar 23 10:14 |
| cubexyz | and that was from a message from 2 years ago | Mar 23 10:15 |
| cubexyz | slack has madwifi for atheros based wireless cards | Mar 23 10:17 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: tp-link stuff is fairly much cheep and generic atheros stuff. | Mar 23 10:18 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I just choose that as common everywhere brand I knew. | Mar 23 10:18 |
| cubexyz | but yeah, there could be some hand-turning involved there | Mar 23 10:20 |
| oiaohm | Adding firmware what is kinda normal for most wifi cards. | Mar 23 10:21 |
| cubexyz | I don't suppose any atx motherboards come with wifi? | Mar 23 10:26 |
| MinceR | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12117 | Mar 23 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.xfce.org | 12117 – The default desktop startup screen causes damage to monitor! [ http://ur1.ca/qob84 ] | Mar 23 10:27 | |
| cubexyz | yikes | Mar 23 10:29 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Don't worry, it's only reproducible when one has a cat. | Mar 23 10:30 |
| cubexyz | ok, you can get atx motherboards with wifi, you just have to pay a bit extra | Mar 23 10:30 |
| MinceR | even then only with some cats | Mar 23 10:30 |
| XRevan86 | One could argue the problem even only exists between the monitor and the chair :). | Mar 23 10:31 |
| cubexyz | garfield :) | Mar 23 10:31 |
| XRevan86 | (and that's the cat) | Mar 23 10:31 |
| XRevan86 | (and not the usual suspect :)) | Mar 23 10:35 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, guess the VGA connector is passé now | Mar 23 10:35 |
| cubexyz | oh wait, it's got HDMI and VGA | Mar 23 10:37 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: cats sleeping on laptop keyboards and pressing random keys to hell is quite common. | Mar 23 10:47 |
| oiaohm | https://mysmelly.com/content/cats/25-cats-on-keyboards-amp-laptops.htm Not one is good for the computer | Mar 23 10:49 |
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| razielle_tzu | sebsebseb: what's with the blank lines? | Mar 24 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: h eh nevermind | Mar 24 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: h eh I think this German girl likes me :d | Mar 24 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | oh just soeone was helping with mint | Mar 24 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | / linux | Mar 24 16:59 |
| razielle_tzu | ok | Mar 24 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: from technically the wrong channel for that, but anyway :d | Mar 24 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: now if only there were more British girls into Linux etc, hmm | Mar 24 17:00 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: by the way Unity 8 preview in Ubuntu 17.04 Beta 2. nice itw orked in virtualbox :) | Mar 24 17:01 |
| sebsebseb | the 16.10 one that I tried after though nope | Mar 24 17:01 |
| *razielle_tzu shrugs | Mar 24 17:01 | |
| razielle_tzu | i still don't like unity | Mar 24 17:01 |
| sebsebseb | on the verge of vm trying the new gnome shell | Mar 24 17:01 |
| sebsebseb | in ubuntu | Mar 24 17:01 |
| sebsebseb | the actsual ubuntu gnome iso | Mar 24 17:01 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: well its got like a app menu lanucher type thing in the unity 8 in 17.04 as well, that was nice :) | Mar 24 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | give it another year or so, and should be more developed | Mar 24 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | maybe even default for the next lts, maybe | Mar 24 17:02 |
| razielle_tzu | so... they did a microsoft? first get rid of the standard app menu/launcher and then bring it back? | Mar 24 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | well I think it was the ubuntu logo or something that bought a menu type thing up yeah | Mar 24 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | but that's more for things like libre office firefox and what not it seems | Mar 24 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | but that's great it works in virtualbox :) | Mar 24 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I am thinking of using virtualbox sto demo certain things at my event next month | Mar 24 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | instead of logging in and out of things | Mar 24 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | re booting lap top and what not uh | Mar 24 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | or re boot less | Mar 24 17:04 |
| razielle_tzu | virtualbox is fun, i'm using it now | Mar 24 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yes I have been today :) | Mar 24 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | and about to do Ubuntu GNOME as I put | Mar 24 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | indeed it's fun :) | Mar 24 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | and useful | Mar 24 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | what are you using it for ? | Mar 24 17:05 |
| razielle_tzu | i use it to run a small/lightweight VM on my gaming computer so i don't have to reboot to go back to linux | Mar 24 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yeah that's what I mean | Mar 24 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | can avoide having to re boot if got a v m for something | Mar 24 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | or having to log out | Mar 24 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I'll juse have to choose my host OS or for the most part, Ubuntu 17.04, or well probably Mageia 5 | Mar 24 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think Mageia 6 will be out in final in time for my event | Mar 24 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | that's something else, I want to virtual machine Mageia 6 then | Mar 24 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | the release candidate or whatever it will be at the time. | Mar 24 17:06 |
| razielle_tzu | i do everything on the VM in a terminal so i installed the guest addons and run it seamlessly with the terminal completely maxed out | Mar 24 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | can show other interfaces like xfce and such to | Mar 24 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | if I got a vm for that | Mar 24 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | rather than having to log in and out of each one on the phsyicall host, which takes time etc | Mar 24 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: and with 4gb ram altough could get a bit slowk, can probably run a few vm's really | Mar 24 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: yep virgualbox is awesome :) | Mar 24 17:08 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: giving my talbet to my guy to fix tommorow | Mar 24 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | some cracked screen damage so | Mar 24 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | and using that device as a demo device at evenet to so | Mar 24 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | ubuntu tablet | Mar 24 17:10 |
| razielle_tzu | fair | Mar 24 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: gnome 3.24 looks impressive from what i saw on omgubuntu | Mar 24 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | the recpies program | Mar 24 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | games | Mar 24 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | program | Mar 24 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | weather built in over due for that | Mar 24 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | night light feature as well | Mar 24 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | let's try n a vm now then. ubuntu gnome 17.04 beta 2 | Mar 24 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: what do you think is the better interface to show at event, on the host. unity 7 or gnome shell | Mar 24 17:22 |
| razielle_tzu | plasm and /or lxde | Mar 24 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | h eh you really don't like either | Mar 24 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: I could show in Mageia 5, but that's a older gnome shell | Mar 24 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | plus I'll have the gpd win along where can show that anyway | Mar 24 17:22 |
| razielle_tzu | if you want gnome use gnome classic or jump to mate/cinnamon | Mar 24 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | another guy will be showing fedora 25 | Mar 24 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | and then another guy will be oding mate as well | Mar 24 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | and someone will b e doing kde in aother distro as well | Mar 24 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: we have a nice selection of distros and interfaces really :d | Mar 24 17:23 |
| razielle_tzu | ooo i know... ratpoison, openbox and xfce | Mar 24 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | h eh | Mar 24 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | open box for the general public | Mar 24 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Mar 24 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | it's a black screen! | Mar 24 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | no no it's got a right click menu see! | Mar 24 17:24 |
| razielle_tzu | sure, with lxdepanel | Mar 24 17:24 |
| razielle_tzu | and conky | Mar 24 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | hmm maybe | Mar 24 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | if I can just log in with that set up | Mar 24 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking can briefuly if got itme show tings like open box and lxde and xfce as well | Mar 24 17:24 |
| razielle_tzu | my vm uses openbox, conky and tint2 | Mar 24 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | and those programs come up on auto log in ? | Mar 24 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | I know conky can be interesting have used that before | Mar 24 17:25 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Mar 24 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | but yeah openbox by itself is a bit u | Mar 24 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | h | Mar 24 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | black screen and right click menu as I put | Mar 24 17:25 |
| razielle_tzu | it's supposed to have other things like connky and tint2 added... the point is you make it look exactly how you want it to | Mar 24 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Mar 24 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | well maybe should look into that a bit then with your assitNACE | Mar 24 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | then can show that in a vm at least :d | Mar 24 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | or possibly | Mar 24 17:27 |
| razielle_tzu | sebsebseb: for a distro that runs openbox with tint2 and coky at login... download and play with bunsenlabs | Mar 24 17:27 |
| razielle_tzu | *conky | Mar 24 17:28 |
| razielle_tzu | https://www.bunsenlabs.org/ | Mar 24 17:29 |
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| razielle_tzu | anyway, i'll be back later. going to see people now | Mar 24 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Mar 24 17:31 |
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| MinceR | http://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/godsofthemoon.jpg | Mar 24 19:30 |
| MinceR | bunsenlabs is lendows | Mar 24 19:30 |
| MinceR | https://www.sixxs.net/sunset/ | Mar 24 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sixxs.net | Sunset :: SixXS - IPv6 Deployment & Tunnel Broker | Mar 24 19:54 | |
| schestowitz | what is this? | Mar 24 19:59 |
| schestowitz | never heard of either, MinceR | Mar 24 20:00 |
| schestowitz | (I suppose I could read up on it) | Mar 24 20:00 |
| MinceR | i assume you don't mean depression | Mar 24 20:00 |
| MinceR | bunsenlabs is some supposed sequel to crunchbang | Mar 24 20:01 |
| MinceR | only the people who made crunchbang forgot that it was supposed to be lightweight | Mar 24 20:01 |
| MinceR | (i.e. cancerd has no business appearing in it) | Mar 24 20:01 |
| MinceR | sixxs is an ipv6-over-ipv4 service | Mar 24 20:01 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/L2q56Cy.gifv (moar links on gallery page) | Mar 24 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Caught my cat stealing money from me. | Mar 24 20:23 | |
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| schestowitz | [20:01] <MinceR> bunsenlabs is some supposed sequel to crunchbang | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I thought the original was still alive | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | just stagnant | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <MinceR> only the people who made crunchbang forgot that it was supposed to be lightweight | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <MinceR> (i.e. cancerd has no business appearing in it) | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm not liking systemd | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I thankfully have some PCs left without it | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | they perform a lot better | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | applications start a lot faster, for instance | Mar 24 20:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 24 20:31 |
| schestowitz | server of techrights uses systemd | Mar 24 20:31 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines - NOT YET! | Mar 24 20:31 |
| MinceR | ew | Mar 24 20:31 |
| schestowitz | but I haven't profiled it properly | Mar 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | performance I mean | Mar 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | there are some factors not taken into account | Mar 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to hypothesise systemd ensures gnu linux is never suitable for desktops | Mar 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | thus perpetuating vista* malware on desktop | Mar 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | while red hat mostly gives a crap about servers | Mar 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | just needs some gnome and tools for VMs, for newbie sysadmins who must use GUIs | Mar 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | when did red hat last issue a press release about desktop? | Mar 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Canonical does, more so than Red Hat | Mar 24 20:35 |
| MinceR | cancerd also breaks servers | Mar 24 20:36 |
| MinceR | also canonical and ratcrap are both buddies with m$ now | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2017/03/curtain-merpels-final-epo-post.html?showComment=1490344152099#c6663410397289106590 | Mar 24 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Curtain - Merpel's final EPO post | Mar 24 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | The Administrative Council of the European Patent Organisation Has Just Buried an Innocent Judge That Battistelli Does Not Like | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2017/03/23/forgotten-casualties-of-battistelli-regime/ | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, MS pays them | Mar 24 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Administrative Council of the European Patent Organisation Has Just Buried an Innocent Judge That Battistelli Does Not Like | Techrights | Mar 24 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | dividends to move everything to patent-taxed Azure | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | with back doors | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/28/microsoft_update_servers_left_all_azure_rhel_instances_hackable/ | Mar 24 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft update servers left all Azure RHEL instances hackable • The Register | Mar 24 20:37 | |
| MinceR | >hackable | Mar 24 20:37 |
| MinceR | if only | Mar 24 20:37 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, they're crackable instead | Mar 24 20:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/adymitruk/status/845326321429336064 | Mar 24 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@adymitruk: What a brutal mark on Lenovo's reputation. Hope they turn things around. https://t.co/Dg0OkTwkvD | Mar 24 20:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: After getting burned by #microsoft deals #lenovo offers new #linux based phones https://t.co/2TQBMpBbrj recall https://t.co/PntgVUjKcc | Mar 24 20:39 | |
| schestowitz | They've improved since, in numerous ways I've noted. That's what we want. | Mar 24 20:39 |
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| MinceR | https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=149028593819547&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=149032069130072&w=2 | Mar 24 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marc.info | 'regarding OpenSSL License change' - MARC | Mar 24 23:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marc.info | 'GCC licence change' - MARC | Mar 24 23:36 | |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/KrZVDsP.png | Mar 25 02:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: OOP in C and ASM looks like what OOP users normally claim. Add C++ and other so called OOP languages hello rats nest. | Mar 25 02:33 |
| MinceR | wrong again | Mar 25 02:36 |
| MinceR | OOP in C often looks like an undecipherable tangle of ugly hacks | Mar 25 02:36 |
| MinceR | "look how cool this macro i've come up with to help implement OOP in C!" :macro doesn't work: | Mar 25 02:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.cs.rit.edu/~ats/books/ooc.pdf There are formal guides to-doing oop in C. Lots of macros is not OOP in C. Its a rats nest. | Mar 25 02:41 |
| MinceR | yes, and there are humans ignoring all formal guides and reason | Mar 25 02:42 |
| MinceR | also, OOP in C is unavoidably harder on the eyes and minds than OOP in C++ | Mar 25 02:42 |
| oiaohm | OOP in C and ASM are nightmares to read. | Mar 25 02:43 |
| oiaohm | https://lwn.net/Articles/444910/ The Linux kernel is OOP in C boy is it hell to read in places. | Mar 25 02:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Object-oriented design patterns in the kernel, part 1 [LWN.net] | Mar 25 02:44 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but guessing what a C++ or the like complier has added and end with you code doing something strange is worse. | Mar 25 02:45 |
| MinceR | people always assuming they're smarter than the compiler | Mar 25 02:46 |
| MinceR | and being wrong | Mar 25 02:46 |
| MinceR | business as usual. | Mar 25 02:46 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's a lawsuit against Microsoft in the Federal district court for Northern Illinois. | Mar 25 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | Three people filed a lawsuit claiming that the Windows 10 upgrade installed itself without asking, trashed their computer, and cost them their data. | Mar 25 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | The lawyers are trying to get it turned into a class action. | Mar 25 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | Proprietary software EULAs are being stuffed with forced arbitration clauses, but the courts don't seem to care. | Mar 25 02:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no we are getting to the point compliers think they are smarter than the programmer where they alter the order operations happen in to save cpu time. Lets ignore that it has to be that way to work. | Mar 25 03:01 |
| *MinceR wonders what oiaohm will say when he realizes even CPUs have been reordering instructions for years | Mar 25 03:02 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: I have talked about the problems of that as well. | Mar 25 03:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Its hard enough dealing with CPU instruction reordering. Without complier instruction reodering. Modern cpu stall and fall back when their order prediction goes wrong. Complier normally does not code anything like that in. | Mar 25 03:29 |
| cubexyz | haha, a bingbot is cataloging all my bsod pics | Mar 25 05:07 |
| cubexyz | anyways, some things are definitely getting worse | Mar 25 05:11 |
| cubexyz | the web for example... | Mar 25 05:11 |
| cubexyz | it might be faster now, but it's definitely not better | Mar 25 05:11 |
| cubexyz | TVs are better though.. at least some of them are | Mar 25 05:13 |
| cubexyz | meh, not finding any Sharp LCD19D44U's | Mar 25 06:00 |
| cubexyz | good grief the search for an amiga monitor is taking a hell of a long time :-/ | Mar 25 06:01 |
| cubexyz | I should just by the adapter and start experimenting | Mar 25 06:02 |
| cubexyz | s/by/buy/ | Mar 25 06:03 |
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| cubexyz | ok, I know OneDrive probably doesn't work well on Linux, but why in the world would I ever use OneDrive? | Mar 25 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Do you drink alcohol? %) | Mar 25 15:31 |
| cubexyz | nope | Mar 25 15:31 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Then I see no reasons :). | Mar 25 15:32 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/4VV0pKI.gifv | Mar 25 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | I'm going to melt this cheese WCGW? | Mar 25 16:15 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zl0tv/why_use_a_tiling_window_manager_over_a_floating/ | Mar 25 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why use a tiling window manager over a floating one? : linux | Mar 25 19:55 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/STiiG | Mar 25 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60emmf/i_just_want_to_say_how_nice_new_installers_are/ | Mar 25 20:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I just want to say how nice new installers are. : linux | Mar 25 20:18 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/612khu/as_a_professional_video_editor_i_have_to_say/ | Mar 25 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | As a professional video editor I have to say Lightworks 14 beta is incredible ! I am so glad that I can finally, completely switch to Linux. : linux | Mar 25 20:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6114ou/i_guess_this_means_linux_also/ | Mar 25 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I guess this means linux also : linux | Mar 25 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=149032069130072&w=2 | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | To push this change through we are going to follow the re-licensing | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | procedure recently proposed by OpenSSL, which has been signed off by | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | their lawyers at the SFLC. This process has significant signoff from | Mar 25 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marc.info | 'GCC licence change' - MARC | Mar 25 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation, Intel, and others. | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-7.5 | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/618s9u/why_are_reported_bugs_so_often_ignored/ | Mar 25 20:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why are reported bugs so often ignored? : linux | Mar 25 20:56 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60z7bq/kernel_49_and_skylake_processors/ | Mar 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | "The heck is that flair?" | Mar 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | WJW | Mar 25 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | kernel 4.9 and skylake processors : linux | Mar 25 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | SJW | Mar 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 | Mar 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/613ghr/alleged_former_intel_engineer_warns_of_the/ | Mar 25 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Alleged Former Intel Engineer Warns of the Dangers of Intel ME. (no proof but interesting nonetheless). : linux | Mar 25 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | 4chan as a source? | Mar 25 21:29 |
| MinceR | hardly reliable | Mar 25 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | The lawsuit against MS for forcing the Windows 10 update on people without asking and trashing their data should be interesting. | Mar 25 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | I say that it does go class action and MSFT offers a settlement to make it go away. | Mar 25 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | It won't be much of a settlement. It'll be one of those "Gosh, we destroyed all your work? Here's $40.". | Mar 25 21:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 25 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Still, people should sign up to get it since they do get $40 and don't have to exclude themselves and try to sue Microsoft individually later. | Mar 25 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | (Or whatever the settlement amount is.) | Mar 25 21:39 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: annoyingly, the TuxMachines bot works fine locally... just not on VPS. x_x | Mar 25 22:06 |
| schestowitz | very odd | Mar 25 22:15 |
| schestowitz | why this and nowthe other bot? | Mar 25 22:15 |
| schestowitz | *now>not | Mar 25 22:15 |
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| qu1j0t3 | well, i had 3 connections going. tuxmachines was one of two that didn't work on vps. | Mar 25 22:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | i wonder if it's IP blocking | Mar 25 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | by freenode? | Mar 25 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, good, let me test | Mar 25 22:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/845765184761331712 | Mar 25 22:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Unintended learned helplessly in #gnu #linux when dumbed | Mar 25 22:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | down by #google https://t.co/ArX9BOSpht (i.redd.it) | Mar 25 22:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mar 25 22:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/845765475300626432 | Mar 25 22:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The End of Ownership | Mar 25 22:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/houqEpJ6zF (soundcloud.com) | Mar 25 22:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mar 25 22:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The End of Ownership by MOTHERBOARD | Free Listening on SoundCloud | Mar 25 22:33 | |
| schestowitz | It's alllive | Mar 25 22:33 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: cheers | Mar 25 22:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: by twitter. | Mar 25 22:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/845765607836528645 | Mar 25 22:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beginners Guide To Linux https://t.co/GxDIlyNUmK | Mar 25 22:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (recursive.codes) | Mar 25 22:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mar 25 22:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beginners Guide To Linux - recursive.codes | Mar 25 22:39 | |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: that would be odd, as the account itself didn't change its nature of activity | Mar 25 22:41 |
| schestowitz | nor did the bot AFAIK | Mar 25 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe only Twitter is changing | Mar 25 22:41 |
| schestowitz | because "trolls"/"terror"/"hate"/"copyright"... | Mar 25 22:41 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: could be various reason | Mar 25 22:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: false positive in algorithm | Mar 25 22:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | *shrug* | Mar 25 22:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | and yeah here we go, it just can't connect from vps | Mar 25 22:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i'm going to change IP and see what happens | Mar 25 22:49 |
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| MinceR | maybe you could stop relying on twatter :> | Mar 25 22:56 |
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| qu1j0t3 | okay, it's not IP based, i changed IP and no difference :| | Mar 25 22:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | i think i figured it out , schestowitz | Mar 25 23:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's related to the # cores vs # threads, and i downgraded the instance. fix should be easy. | Mar 25 23:16 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: ok, finally. | Mar 25 23:39 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/lrDZ8ye.jpg | Mar 19 10:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Brother let me help you put some weight on that pavement sign! | Mar 19 11:30 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zbh1w/bought_this_for_my_1_month_old_son_my_wife_is_not/ | Mar 19 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Bought this for my 1 month old son. My wife is not so happy about it. : linux | Mar 19 14:13 | |
| schestowitz | "Wife is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." | Mar 19 14:13 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/605svb/ext4_can_store_checksums_of_your_metadata_now_as/ | Mar 19 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | EXT4 can store checksums of your metadata now! (as of e2fsprogs 1.43 eg. in Ubuntu 16.10) : linux | Mar 19 14:57 | |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zl1a7/linux_distros_that_do_not_use_systemd_or_can_be/ | Mar 19 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Linux distros that do not use systemd (or can be configured not to) : linux [ http://ur1.ca/qnuq4 ] | Mar 19 15:04 | |
| XRevan86 | > Any *BSD: Not actually the linux kernel but a good alternative. Includes MacOS | Mar 19 15:06 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zbjto/who_actually_gets_the_money_when_somebody_donates/ | Mar 19 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Who actually gets the money when somebody donates to https://www.archlinux.org/donate/? : linux [ http://ur1.ca/qnuqx ] | Mar 19 15:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Isn't it right there on the page? Software in the Public Interest foundation." | Mar 19 15:10 |
| XRevan86 | If macOS is *BSD and a good alternative, then I'm Marie Curie. | Mar 19 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: Marie Curie and STeve Jobs both died of cancer | Mar 19 21:00 |
| schestowitz | one copied with xrays | Mar 19 21:01 |
| schestowitz | the other copies ('stole' from) Xerox | Mar 19 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's one hell of an analogy :). | Mar 19 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | One is a science hero, one is a businessman. | Mar 19 21:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 19 22:21 |
| MinceR | more like a career criminal than a businessman | Mar 19 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I've use a softer term, as it still doesn't look pretty that way either :) | Mar 19 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | used* | Mar 19 22:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 19 22:23 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/IPY7Kq9.jpg | Mar 19 22:26 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/WpKhtQO.gifv | Mar 19 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | O.O | Mar 19 22:34 | |
| XRevan86 | is that a chicken or a rooster? | Mar 19 22:35 |
| MinceR | probably a rooster | Mar 19 22:36 |
| MinceR | but i'm no ornithologist | Mar 19 22:36 |
| MinceR | http://wandpcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/wandp71site.png | Mar 19 23:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Time for Wiktionary | Mar 19 23:12 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 19 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | Now I get it. | Mar 19 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | English is siiiiick | Mar 19 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | Such basic words, man. | Mar 19 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | Unlike Russian where the cognate means… err, dekulakisation %). | Mar 19 23:17 |
| XRevan86 | Totally 100% better, yeah. | Mar 19 23:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 19 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | Good night. | Mar 19 23:28 |
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| cubexyz | screw systemd, I won't use it | Mar 19 23:40 |
| cubexyz | FC1, openbsd, vector, slack, chromeos... | Mar 19 23:40 |
| cubexyz | probably other ones... oh yeah Fedora 14 | Mar 19 23:41 |
| cubexyz | I support Mint for customers | Mar 19 23:41 |
| cubexyz | too heavy a distro for me though | Mar 19 23:41 |
| cubexyz | makes the ol' Hp NX9030 chug a bit | Mar 19 23:42 |
| cubexyz | don't want to argue with systemd fans though, no thanks | Mar 19 23:42 |
| cubexyz | I had 9 gigs of udp port 123 traffic blocked this month | Mar 19 23:48 |
| cubexyz | insane... | Mar 19 23:48 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/spzoV.gif | Mar 20 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: nice one | Mar 20 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | > Here is today's batch. | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | > I'm looking into slimbook (r) notebooks and trying to get past a bug in | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | > their web order form. | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | That looks like a decent machine | Mar 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PEIangelis1/status/843832309157675008 | Mar 20 14:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PEIangelis1: @schestowitz @wikileaks Yep they seem to have limited creativity in terms of narrative development. Blahblah Russia… https://t.co/Wr282QEFlR | Mar 20 14:33 | |
| schestowitz | There are enough scandals associated with Trump opposing science and helping billionaires, no need for "Russia!" | Mar 20 14:33 |
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| cubexyz | hmmm, killing Xorg messes up klipper's history | Mar 20 15:02 |
| cubexyz | had to learn about invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE(s) today | Mar 20 15:06 |
| cubexyz | quite a pain actually | Mar 20 15:07 |
| cubexyz | I wonder if lifi is a thing yet or is it still in the lab stage | Mar 20 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: cheers | Mar 20 21:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 20 21:48 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Apzsrtn.png | Mar 20 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: hi | Mar 21 09:34 |
| schestowitz | news? | Mar 21 09:34 |
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| cubexyz | paper books avoids DRM | Mar 21 16:38 |
| cubexyz | and sure, minimizing resource use is smart and ethical | Mar 21 16:40 |
| cubexyz | minimizing e-waste... very important | Mar 21 16:43 |
| cubexyz | current level of consumption of resources is just not sustainable | Mar 21 16:43 |
| cubexyz | https://www.foe.co.uk/page/reducing-consumption | Mar 21 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foe.co.uk | Reducing consumption | Friends of the Earth [ http://ur1.ca/qo4st ] | Mar 21 16:44 | |
| cubexyz | at least let's use less plastic | Mar 21 16:46 |
| cubexyz | that's a no-brainer | Mar 21 16:46 |
| cubexyz | especially Bisphenol A | Mar 21 16:52 |
| cubexyz | need a way to list directories only in wide form | Mar 21 18:31 |
| cubexyz | tree -d -L 1 is close but I want it listed with multiple directories in each line | Mar 21 18:33 |
| cubexyz | ls -d */ | Mar 21 18:42 |
| zoobab | @cubexyz still hunting for a decent parallel port replacement | Mar 21 18:48 |
| cubexyz | no, I was just trying to remember if the original IBM PC came with a parallel port | Mar 21 18:53 |
| cubexyz | I still use parallel port sometimes | Mar 21 18:54 |
| cubexyz | all my linux boxes have parallel ports except for the chromebook | Mar 21 19:06 |
| cubexyz | /dev/parport0 etc | Mar 21 19:07 |
| zoobab | I tried ch341 usb chip | Mar 21 19:15 |
| zoobab | but it does not emulate a full parallel port | Mar 21 19:15 |
| zoobab | https://github.com/zoobab/ch341-parport | Mar 21 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - zoobab/ch341-parport: Parallel port driver for Linux for WinChipHead ch341 chip | Mar 21 19:16 | |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure what to recommend these days actually | Mar 21 19:20 |
| cubexyz | startech makes several different cards | Mar 21 19:20 |
| cubexyz | I heard Syba was good | Mar 21 19:22 |
| zoobab | cardbus card has full modes | Mar 21 19:22 |
| cubexyz | my old toughbook had a parallel port built-in | Mar 21 19:24 |
| cubexyz | everything except chromebook and zaurus | Mar 21 19:25 |
| cubexyz | not that I use parallel port a ton but I do use it to get files over to the amiga sometimes | Mar 21 19:26 |
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| cubexyz | hmm, bridging the two routers is harder than I thought :-/ | Mar 22 11:43 |
| cubexyz | the bell fibe service has good upload speed though | Mar 22 11:44 |
| cubexyz | the old dsl upload speed was positively dire | Mar 22 11:44 |
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| cubexyz | ok, just have to figure out which wifi receiver card is good and I'm done | Mar 22 12:05 |
| cubexyz | :w | Mar 22 14:21 |
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| MarkBilk | Nice video on backdoors in Intel and AMD CPUs: Is Your CPU Spying On You? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grb-_xdqpEQ | Mar 22 18:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is Your CPU Spying On You? - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/qo8b6 ] | Mar 22 18:38 | |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | Mar 22 18:47 |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk: based on what evidence? | Mar 22 18:53 |
| schestowitz | in this case? | Mar 22 18:53 |
| schestowitz | ME etc? | Mar 22 18:53 |
| MarkBilk | yes | Mar 22 18:54 |
| schestowitz | vault7 doesn't suggest they use that much | Mar 22 18:54 |
| schestowitz | they probably don't need to even drill down to the chip level | Mar 22 18:54 |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk: will watch, thanks | Mar 22 18:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rw_fraley/status/844623071247945728 | Mar 22 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rw_fraley: @schestowitz @TheMusach @tandk9596 @wikileaks it's so true. The biggest change in my life is because I begin to read labels and compare | Mar 22 18:55 | |
| schestowitz | MarkBilk: thanks, good vide | Mar 22 18:59 |
| schestowitz | just shared it | Mar 22 18:59 |
| schestowitz | doesn't address too technical an audience, so anyone can grasp it | Mar 22 18:59 |
| MarkBilk | It's another weapon the ruling psychopaths can use to control everyone on the planet if most people become aware of them and start resisting. MSwindows and probably systemd are avl to them also. | Mar 22 18:59 |
| MarkBilk | schestowitz: yw! Lots of good stuff on youtube -- worth checking every day and subscribing to good channels. | Mar 22 19:01 |
| schestowitz | also mentioned the baseband OS | Mar 22 19:03 |
| schestowitz | so covers all the key points | Mar 22 19:03 |
| schestowitz | with diagrams for the newbs | Mar 22 19:03 |
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| cubexyz | if there's ME stuff in vault7 I should dig into it again | Mar 23 06:45 |
| cubexyz | it appears that the intel ME is actually part of the CPU in some cases | Mar 23 06:49 |
| cubexyz | or at least closely integrated into the northbridge | Mar 23 06:50 |
| cubexyz | the bell fibe hardware actually runs a web server on my PVR | Mar 23 06:51 |
| cubexyz | a portal for techs I reckon | Mar 23 06:52 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/jRAqSTri66I This is Mozilla developers listing why dropping Alsa. | Mar 23 07:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com | Google Groups | Mar 23 07:44 | |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: regarding how much i care about mozilla's excuses: http://i.imgur.com/2bY9hT4.jpg | Mar 23 08:20 |
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| MinceR | also, if alsa is so evil, how are they going to drive the hardware under poettering's train wreck? | Mar 23 08:21 |
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| schestowitz | [06:45] <cubexyz> if there's ME stuff in vault7 I should dig into it again | Mar 23 08:32 |
| schestowitz | None that I have seen so far | Mar 23 08:32 |
| schestowitz | it does show they bypass encryption by taking over the OS though (mobile), does not mention the baseband OS | Mar 23 08:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: going on top of pulseaudio means they don't have to maintainer their own 5.1 to 2 channel audio converter. | Mar 23 08:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also that forces apulse wrapper to implement that. | Mar 23 08:35 |
| MinceR | i see you love forcing | Mar 23 08:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly why should programs have to implement there own copies of those converters. | Mar 23 08:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not that I like forcing. I am willing to admit what the problem is. | Mar 23 08:51 |
| MinceR | no, you are not | Mar 23 08:56 |
| MinceR | you don't even seem to be aware of what the problem is | Mar 23 08:56 |
| oiaohm | Request to add a mixer system to support 5.1 and all those other parts was first placed in the alsa-project bugzilla in 1998 by me. | Mar 23 08:59 |
| oiaohm | So its now almost 20 years later. | Mar 23 09:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so I am kinda aware of the problem and how little progress Alsa has been making. | Mar 23 09:01 |
| oiaohm | At some point someone was going to go stuff it. | Mar 23 09:01 |
| MinceR | no, the problem is that redhat is trying to co-opt control of everything on unix | Mar 23 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Same with ignoring that sysvinit did not match the Linux kernel and saying lets keep on using it. That was going to have to end at some point. | Mar 23 09:02 |
| MinceR | they're trying to turn all free software into a closed shop where they call all the shots and if you want something, you have to pay them | Mar 23 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Who ever puts up the resources to fix the problem decides how it fixed. | Mar 23 09:03 |
| MinceR | at some point != we didn't care until today, but now it must happen by yesterday | Mar 23 09:03 |
| oiaohm | If you don't like it you should be working on getting resources for other groups. | Mar 23 09:03 |
| MinceR | i am working on fixing the redhat problem, actually | Mar 23 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Complain about pulseaudio and systemd will not fix anything. | Mar 23 09:04 |
| oiaohm | What is needing is working solutions. | Mar 23 09:04 |
| MinceR | devuan is a working solution | Mar 23 09:04 |
| oiaohm | So you have to understand why groups will be going pulseaudio to understand what is wrong with ALSA. | Mar 23 09:04 |
| MinceR | i'll eventually write a semi-automatic mount tool to fill the hole udisks2 has left behind | Mar 23 09:05 |
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| MinceR | you have to understand how free software works to understand what is wrong with mozilla and redhat | Mar 23 09:05 |
| oiaohm | Devuan uses sysvinit , offers openrc , runit , sinit and out that list only openrc really works with how the Linux kernel is designed. | Mar 23 09:06 |
| oiaohm | Yet that is not where Devuan is focusing their resources. | Mar 23 09:06 |
| oiaohm | So projects like Devuan are fairly much spinning their wheels getting no where. | Mar 23 09:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: reality you don't want change so you will stay with techically incompatible and yell at anyone who attempt to go after compadible to kernel solution. | Mar 23 09:08 |
| MinceR | getting nowhere is preferable to turning unix into windows | Mar 23 09:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: throwing words like "reality" doesn't actually change reality | Mar 23 09:08 |
| oiaohm | Sorry systemd is not designed after WIndows. It design after solarias. | Mar 23 09:09 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: fact is, gnu/linux worked before redhat started playing microsoft | Mar 23 09:09 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: solaris is broken as well. | Mar 23 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Not fact | Mar 23 09:09 |
| MinceR | unix is not solaris; unix is not windows. | Mar 23 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Saying fact is does not make it true. | Mar 23 09:09 |
| MinceR | ooh, then i must have lived in an illusion before | Mar 23 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Alsa has been known broken since it was made because it standard was never completed. | Mar 23 09:10 |
| MinceR | good thing PA isn't broken | Mar 23 09:10 |
| MinceR | oh wait | Mar 23 09:10 |
| MinceR | i guess the problem is with me, in that i don't enjoy random skips in music | Mar 23 09:10 |
| MinceR | perhaps poettering should found his own new music genre | Mar 23 09:10 |
| oiaohm | You get random skips in music running Alsa without pulseaudio on some hardware as well. | Mar 23 09:11 |
| MinceR | like nightcore, except instead of speeding up, he'd insert random intervals of silence in random places | Mar 23 09:11 |
| MinceR | he could call it pulsecore or something | Mar 23 09:11 |
| MinceR | no, i don't get it | Mar 23 09:11 |
| oiaohm | And random skips under alsa disappear if you load palseaudio. | Mar 23 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Because there are ways to make incomplete dmix play up. | Mar 23 09:11 |
| MinceR | once again, stop breaking people's stuff for other people's fringe use cases | Mar 23 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Pulseaudio exists because ALSA is majorally broken. | Mar 23 09:12 |
| MinceR | if alsa is broken, fix alsa | Mar 23 09:12 |
| MinceR | instead of piling yet another broken layer on top | Mar 23 09:12 |
| MinceR | and especially instead of forcing everyone to use that broken layer on top | Mar 23 09:12 |
| oiaohm | Not simple to fix. | Mar 23 09:12 |
| oiaohm | ALSA need a v2 like cgroups did. | Mar 23 09:13 |
| oiaohm | ALSA need to be ripped to the ground and rebuilt. The ABI design of ALSA is complete fail. | Mar 23 09:13 |
| cubexyz | umm | Mar 23 09:14 |
| cubexyz | I worked with Alsa -> SDL and it worked pretty good | Mar 23 09:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: tried removing a sound card. | Mar 23 09:14 |
| cubexyz | most of the LGP games used it | Mar 23 09:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: or adding one. | Mar 23 09:14 |
| MinceR | i suspect cgroups will need a v3 :> | Mar 23 09:14 |
| MinceR | 23 101151 < MinceR> once again, stop breaking people's stuff for other people's fringe use cases | Mar 23 09:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: v2 in cgroups is way better than v1. | Mar 23 09:14 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: if you like one vendor playing king and forcing shit on everybody, go use windows | Mar 23 09:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: apparently v2 still doesn't fucking work | Mar 23 09:15 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I can't remember the last time I added a sound card to anything | Mar 23 09:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: but i guess that's not a problem for you guys | Mar 23 09:15 |
| cubexyz | sb32 maybe was the last one :) | Mar 23 09:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have used cgroup v2. It works. | Mar 23 09:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cgroup v1 you could put a process in a IO controller and cpu access controller with confliting settings. | Mar 23 09:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and yet cancerd still can't terminate processes properly on shutdown | Mar 23 09:16 |
| cubexyz | let me see... the old server box had ummm... | Mar 23 09:16 |
| MinceR | and they claim it's because of cgroups | Mar 23 09:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also ALSA has had the trouble of no proper testsuite so vendors writing drivers how ever they like. | Mar 23 09:17 |
| cubexyz | Ensoniq CT4810 PCI sound card | Mar 23 09:17 |
| MinceR | i guess shutting down is not a functionality of an "init system" anymore :> | Mar 23 09:17 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: i can imagine how traumatic it must be to you that some people get to do what they like. | Mar 23 09:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so vendors forcing crap on developers is exactly what has been happening with ALSA so why are you still compaling. | Mar 23 09:17 |
| MinceR | but once again, there's windows for you. | Mar 23 09:17 |
| cubexyz | the sound stuff on the motherboard has been good enough I guess | Mar 23 09:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you have said if vendors were forcing stuff you people you would be back on Windows. | Mar 23 09:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not redhat that is the only problem here. | Mar 23 09:18 |
| cubexyz | I wonder what chromeos uses | Mar 23 09:18 |
| MinceR | indeed it is not | Mar 23 09:18 |
| MinceR | it's also microsoft and canonical | Mar 23 09:18 |
| MinceR | the rest of this triad of evil | Mar 23 09:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about realtek | Mar 23 09:18 |
| MinceR | but redhat is most active | Mar 23 09:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what about dell | Mar 23 09:18 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i don't remember realtek killing the distro i was using | Mar 23 09:19 |
| MinceR | dHell makes shitty hardware and provides no warranty, but i don't see how that's relevant | Mar 23 09:19 |
| cubexyz | btw on openbsd we use sndio :) | Mar 23 09:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have had realtek sound cards cause systems not to boot. | Mar 23 09:19 |
| cubexyz | works fine | Mar 23 09:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and that is runnign Linux | Mar 23 09:19 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: but but but slowlaris is the only unix, don't you see? :> | Mar 23 09:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: please note sndio is a standardised sound server. | Mar 23 09:20 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: taht the bsd world was sane todo. | Mar 23 09:20 |
| cubexyz | the BSD world is saner nowadays | Mar 23 09:21 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sndio Yes sndio will covert 5.1 from an application to 2 for speakers or 2 channel to 5.1 | Mar 23 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | sndio - Wikipedia | Mar 23 09:21 | |
| cubexyz | that's why I always keep a couple of BSD boxes around | Mar 23 09:21 |
| MinceR | they don't have redhat, at least not yet | Mar 23 09:21 |
| MinceR | OTOH freebsd has its gaggle of crApple/m$ worshipers | Mar 23 09:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the reality is ALSA in it current form is not providing min requirements it should even when you compare to what you get on a BSD system. | Mar 23 09:22 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the reality is PA does neither | Mar 23 09:22 |
| oiaohm | Even the BSD init on a BSD kernel has better process tracking. | Mar 23 09:23 |
| MinceR | then go use bsd | Mar 23 09:23 |
| oiaohm | Than sysvinit or runit | Mar 23 09:23 |
| cubexyz | I'm typing on BSD right now :) | Mar 23 09:23 |
| oiaohm | PA does in fact do 5.1 to 2 and 2 to 5.1 | Mar 23 09:23 |
| MinceR | so, not knowing whether processes have exited when you're shutting down is "better process tracking", now? | Mar 23 09:23 |
| MinceR | or are you just ignoring any fact that's inconvenient to you? | Mar 23 09:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: better process tracking means you know what in fact started X process. | Mar 23 09:24 |
| MinceR | or are you comparing the sysvinit we do have with the systemd you imagine you might eventually have? | Mar 23 09:24 |
| MinceR | oh, i see | Mar 23 09:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not have everything magically connected to PID 1 with no clue what started it. | Mar 23 09:24 |
| MinceR | so you like a bloated "init system" that can't boot or shutdown reliably | Mar 23 09:24 |
| MinceR | but why is it such a trauma to you that other people disagree about that? | Mar 23 09:24 |
| oiaohm | In fact I like openrc more than systemd due to less bloat. | Mar 23 09:25 |
| MinceR | so why do you shill cancerd every day? | Mar 23 09:25 |
| oiaohm | I wish there was another way with a Linux kernel to do process tracking correctly but the only working option cgroups. | Mar 23 09:25 |
| MinceR | why do you keep bringing up slowlaris as *the* unix? | Mar 23 09:25 |
| MinceR | no, cgroups is not "working" | Mar 23 09:25 |
| oiaohm | I don't shill for cancerd. I hate people suggesting solutions to systemd that are not solutions. | Mar 23 09:25 |
| MinceR | even cancerd "developers" know that | Mar 23 09:25 |
| oiaohm | For process tracking that works in cgroupv1 | Mar 23 09:26 |
| MinceR | but you don't hate people suggesting solutions to non-poetteringware that are not solutions | Mar 23 09:26 |
| cubexyz | I'm cancerd free now :) | Mar 23 09:26 |
| MinceR | so am i | Mar 23 09:26 |
| cubexyz | I deleted fedora 16 :) | Mar 23 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Its when you attempt to use IO controls and the like in cgroupv1 does cgroupv1 go wrong. | Mar 23 09:26 |
| MinceR | if mozilla tries to force poetteringware on me, i'll just stop using mozilla | Mar 23 09:26 |
| MinceR | fuck mozilla | Mar 23 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Of course of systemd was simpler like openrc those io controllers issues on cgroup v1 would not have happened. | Mar 23 09:27 |
| cubexyz | really what I want is an os that works and is understandable | Mar 23 09:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when you choose X kernel it as X feature this means you have X feature limited ways of doing stuff. | Mar 23 09:28 |
| cubexyz | that's why I have fun programming with unix v5 | Mar 23 09:28 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so you don't like me being able to _choose_ | Mar 23 09:29 |
| cubexyz | I keep the old stuff around... | Mar 23 09:29 |
| MinceR | like i said, if you want users to have no choice, there's windows for that | Mar 23 09:29 |
| cubexyz | loki and lgp games worked fine on FC1 | Mar 23 09:29 |
| MinceR | and there's also macos for that | Mar 23 09:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I want to be able to choose between stuff that has a chance of working correctly all the time. | Mar 23 09:29 |
| cubexyz | I admit they are pretty old | Mar 23 09:29 |
| MinceR | hell, macos won't even let you choose hardware | Mar 23 09:29 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: then keep on living in this dream world where stuff well known to be broken works perfectly all the time | Mar 23 09:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I don't like have to choose between broken in X conditions for broken in Y condition. | Mar 23 09:30 |
| cubexyz | mac is off the radar | Mar 23 09:30 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: i'm putting it on the radar :> | Mar 23 09:30 |
| MinceR | apparently some people enjoy being oppressed | Mar 23 09:31 |
| MinceR | they can have that with crApple products | Mar 23 09:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note my world "chance". I don't expect it to work all the time. But I don't want to go and do basic feature checks and find critical things missing. | Mar 23 09:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: starting services being unable to track them so unable to terminate them cleanly every single time I don't class as acceptable. | Mar 23 09:32 |
| MinceR | you want to be ignorant of critical things being missing? | Mar 23 09:32 |
| MinceR | or you don't consider being able to boot or shut down as "critical" to an "init system"? | Mar 23 09:32 |
| cubexyz | heck, I'm still learning about openmotif stuff... so much to learn | Mar 23 09:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: do current versions of systemd have that issue. | Mar 23 09:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the reality is you are stuck in past with a lot of the issues you bring up. | Mar 23 09:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes at the time those faults I classed as not acceptable. | Mar 23 09:33 |
| cubexyz | I'm stuck in the past because I know the past :) | Mar 23 09:34 |
| cubexyz | I get upgrade fatigue | Mar 23 09:34 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: but where you go is init systems matched to kernel. | Mar 23 09:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the reality is everybody is stuck in the past because the speed of light is not infinite. | Mar 23 09:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the reality is also that i don't have the time or the energy or the patience to test bleeding edge crap daily to see if it's less broken | Mar 23 09:34 |
| MinceR | especially when i can already tell that the underlying design is braindead | Mar 23 09:35 |
| cubexyz | are these nano usb wifi adapters any good? | Mar 23 09:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: software needs to mature before it's usable in production environments | Mar 23 09:35 |
| cubexyz | they seem to be in the clearance section for some reason :-/ | Mar 23 09:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: afaict systemd has not yet been released in a stable release of a distro in a version that is itself mature | Mar 23 09:35 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: nano usb wifi mostly no human hand/arm is mostly water and blocks wifi very good. | Mar 23 09:36 |
| cubexyz | oh dear, 1 out of 5 rating | Mar 23 09:36 |
| cubexyz | ok, I'll not bother then | Mar 23 09:36 |
| MinceR | what have human arms have to do with nano usb wifi adapters? | Mar 23 09:36 |
| cubexyz | "not reliable" say all the reviewers | Mar 23 09:36 |
| MinceR | i've had good results with some mini tenda usb wifi dongles that can work as access points | Mar 23 09:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: they are normally stuck in laptops and where do people put there computer mouse. Little thinking should work out problem. | Mar 23 09:37 |
| MinceR | i put my mouse away from the laptop so it doesn't bump into the laptop when i move left | Mar 23 09:37 |
| MinceR | but i suppose there's a lesser amount of thinking that would cause that problem | Mar 23 09:37 |
| MinceR | then again, i didn't plug those dongles directly into a laptop | Mar 23 09:38 |
| MinceR | they were either plugged directly into a rpi2, or into a laptop via a cable so i could put it where it had better reception | Mar 23 09:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so you gave it some cable and kept it away from the block of water that is a human. | Mar 23 09:38 |
| MinceR | (and no, not because of anyone's hand) | Mar 23 09:39 |
| cubexyz | the antenna must be very tiny | Mar 23 09:39 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it isn't significantly different from a normal-sized usb dongle | Mar 23 09:39 |
| MinceR | it is | Mar 23 09:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is significatly different to some normal-sized usb dongles. | Mar 23 09:39 |
| MinceR | unless they can use some trickery to use the wire inside the computer as antenna :> | Mar 23 09:40 |
| cubexyz | I need PCI for the older computers | Mar 23 09:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: why is some normal sized dongles are a nano usb wifi dongle with airspace. | Mar 23 09:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: because manufacturing both normal and nano sized components could be more expensive? | Mar 23 09:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: correct it a price cut. But the true fullsize has bigger arials and tollerates more interference. | Mar 23 09:41 |
| MinceR | too few people care about that | Mar 23 09:43 |
| MinceR | it's the tragedy of the market economy | Mar 23 09:43 |
| MinceR | clueless masses determine everything, so good products die and we all get only crap | Mar 23 09:44 |
| cubexyz | I hate it when I search for PCI and get PCI express instead | Mar 23 09:44 |
| oiaohm | I know the difference because using a 40db dish with wifi you need proper. | Mar 23 09:44 |
| MinceR | i probably couldn't buy such equipment here | Mar 23 09:44 |
| MinceR | they hardly sell anything here | Mar 23 09:44 |
| oiaohm | The wifi dongles I use for that are off the shelf in many places. | Mar 23 09:45 |
| oiaohm | Not special orders. | Mar 23 09:45 |
| MinceR | in australia, yes | Mar 23 09:46 |
| MinceR | in hungary, no | Mar 23 09:46 |
| cubexyz | you guys can buy chromebooks though right? | Mar 23 09:47 |
| MinceR | only some uninteresting models | Mar 23 09:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so no tp-link stuff over there. | Mar 23 09:48 |
| MinceR | i think there is some tp-link stuff here | Mar 23 09:48 |
| MinceR | at least SOHO routers | Mar 23 09:48 |
| cubexyz | tp-link is OK? | Mar 23 09:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it one of the cheaper brands that don't to cut down usb dongals in in full size usb dongle cases. | Mar 23 09:49 |
| MinceR | i've heard their quality varies wildly | Mar 23 09:49 |
| oiaohm | There is a price for cheap. | Mar 23 09:49 |
| cubexyz | my choice for wifi PCI card seems to be either intel or tp-link | Mar 23 09:51 |
| oiaohm | The big give away to nano wifi in a full size usb dongle case is normally complete lack of externel arial support. | Mar 23 09:51 |
| oiaohm | tp-link sells a stack of external aerials to extend range. | Mar 23 09:51 |
| oiaohm | So a full sized USB dongle without a external aerial straight up skip it. | Mar 23 09:52 |
| MinceR | not sure about that -- the connector for the external aerial also has its extra costs | Mar 23 09:53 |
| MinceR | plus i'm not sure of the EU/hungarian authorities' stance on such aerials | Mar 23 09:53 |
| oiaohm | To support external aerials is required for PCI/PCI-e cards. | Mar 23 09:54 |
| oiaohm | So they allow wifi they have to allow the external aerial port. | Mar 23 09:54 |
| MinceR | they could still use a proprietary connector on a connection that can't be cleanly dismantled by the consumer, though | Mar 23 09:55 |
| oiaohm | http://76.my/Malaysia/tp-link-high-gain-wireless-n-usb-adapter-wifi-tl-wn722n-ookas-1205-02-ookas@6.jpg Note how this one has high gain written on it. | Mar 23 09:56 |
| oiaohm | The external aerial port equals bigger amps in the stick as well. So it does eat some more power. | Mar 23 09:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and the good brands they are a standard port. | Mar 23 09:57 |
| cubexyz | neat | Mar 23 09:57 |
| MinceR | yeah, neat | Mar 23 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Please note you can by tp-links in large case cheaper without the aerial port and they are nano in big case. | Mar 23 09:58 |
| MinceR | i wonder if it works with gnu/linux | Mar 23 09:58 |
| oiaohm | So some of the complaint about tp-link being different quality with wifi is people not paying attention to what they are buying. | Mar 23 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes the port on the side of that tp-link is the same port tp-link cards have on the back of a computer. | Mar 23 10:00 |
| oiaohm | from pci | Mar 23 10:00 |
| MinceR | i think the specific complaint i remembered was about routers | Mar 23 10:00 |
| oiaohm | You see tp-link routers with and without aerials. | Mar 23 10:00 |
| oiaohm | Yep router with nano wifi hardware is not good. | Mar 23 10:00 |
| oiaohm | Tp-link is cheap and they will sell you too cheap. | Mar 23 10:01 |
| oiaohm | Of course there are other brands that you are looking for exactly the same things. | Mar 23 10:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/arc-wireless-ant-186-arc-30dbi-5ghz-dual-pol-dish-antenna-arc-wireless/ I don't think you would be allowed to by aerials like this and hook up to a router. | Mar 23 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ARC Wireless ANT-186 ARC 30dBi 5GHz Dual Pol Dish Antenna - Kogan.com [ http://ur1.ca/qob6q ] | Mar 23 10:05 | |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 23 10:05 |
| oiaohm | That what you call needing serous range. | Mar 23 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Yes the 180 AUD is normally more than the wifi parts it connected it. | Mar 23 10:06 |
| oiaohm | So break anything bar the dish. | Mar 23 10:06 |
| cubexyz | if you install firmware-atheros the TL-WN772N should work | Mar 23 10:14 |
| cubexyz | and that was from a message from 2 years ago | Mar 23 10:15 |
| cubexyz | slack has madwifi for atheros based wireless cards | Mar 23 10:17 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: tp-link stuff is fairly much cheep and generic atheros stuff. | Mar 23 10:18 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I just choose that as common everywhere brand I knew. | Mar 23 10:18 |
| cubexyz | but yeah, there could be some hand-turning involved there | Mar 23 10:20 |
| oiaohm | Adding firmware what is kinda normal for most wifi cards. | Mar 23 10:21 |
| cubexyz | I don't suppose any atx motherboards come with wifi? | Mar 23 10:26 |
| MinceR | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12117 | Mar 23 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.xfce.org | 12117 – The default desktop startup screen causes damage to monitor! [ http://ur1.ca/qob84 ] | Mar 23 10:27 | |
| cubexyz | yikes | Mar 23 10:29 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Don't worry, it's only reproducible when one has a cat. | Mar 23 10:30 |
| cubexyz | ok, you can get atx motherboards with wifi, you just have to pay a bit extra | Mar 23 10:30 |
| MinceR | even then only with some cats | Mar 23 10:30 |
| XRevan86 | One could argue the problem even only exists between the monitor and the chair :). | Mar 23 10:31 |
| cubexyz | garfield :) | Mar 23 10:31 |
| XRevan86 | (and that's the cat) | Mar 23 10:31 |
| XRevan86 | (and not the usual suspect :)) | Mar 23 10:35 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, guess the VGA connector is passé now | Mar 23 10:35 |
| cubexyz | oh wait, it's got HDMI and VGA | Mar 23 10:37 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: cats sleeping on laptop keyboards and pressing random keys to hell is quite common. | Mar 23 10:47 |
| oiaohm | https://mysmelly.com/content/cats/25-cats-on-keyboards-amp-laptops.htm Not one is good for the computer | Mar 23 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mysmelly.com | 25 Cats On Keyboards & Laptops [ http://ur1.ca/qob9k ] | Mar 23 10:49 | |
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| anna_ | dear mr schestowitz, i would like to write you personally an email, could you share your contact details? | Mar 23 20:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | Senate Republicans Just Sold You Out to Advertisers [ http://ur1.ca/qoeat ] | Mar 24 06:19 | |
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| schestowitz | [20:01] <MinceR> bunsenlabs is some supposed sequel to crunchbang | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I thought the original was still alive | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | just stagnant | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <MinceR> only the people who made crunchbang forgot that it was supposed to be lightweight | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <MinceR> (i.e. cancerd has no business appearing in it) | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm not liking systemd | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I thankfully have some PCs left without it | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | they perform a lot better | Mar 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | applications start a lot faster, for instance | Mar 24 20:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 24 20:31 |
| schestowitz | server of techrights uses systemd | Mar 24 20:31 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines - NOT YET! | Mar 24 20:31 |
| MinceR | ew | Mar 24 20:31 |
| schestowitz | but I haven't profiled it properly | Mar 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | performance I mean | Mar 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | there are some factors not taken into account | Mar 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to hypothesise systemd ensures gnu linux is never suitable for desktops | Mar 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | thus perpetuating vista* malware on desktop | Mar 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | while red hat mostly gives a crap about servers | Mar 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | just needs some gnome and tools for VMs, for newbie sysadmins who must use GUIs | Mar 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | when did red hat last issue a press release about desktop? | Mar 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Canonical does, more so than Red Hat | Mar 24 20:35 |
| MinceR | cancerd also breaks servers | Mar 24 20:36 |
| MinceR | also canonical and ratcrap are both buddies with m$ now | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2017/03/curtain-merpels-final-epo-post.html?showComment=1490344152099#c6663410397289106590 | Mar 24 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Curtain - Merpel's final EPO post | Mar 24 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | The Administrative Council of the European Patent Organisation Has Just Buried an Innocent Judge That Battistelli Does Not Like | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2017/03/23/forgotten-casualties-of-battistelli-regime/ | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, MS pays them | Mar 24 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Administrative Council of the European Patent Organisation Has Just Buried an Innocent Judge That Battistelli Does Not Like | Techrights | Mar 24 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | dividends to move everything to patent-taxed Azure | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | with back doors | Mar 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/28/microsoft_update_servers_left_all_azure_rhel_instances_hackable/ | Mar 24 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft update servers left all Azure RHEL instances hackable • The Register | Mar 24 20:37 | |
| MinceR | >hackable | Mar 24 20:37 |
| MinceR | if only | Mar 24 20:37 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, they're crackable instead | Mar 24 20:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/adymitruk/status/845326321429336064 | Mar 24 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@adymitruk: What a brutal mark on Lenovo's reputation. Hope they turn things around. https://t.co/Dg0OkTwkvD | Mar 24 20:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: After getting burned by #microsoft deals #lenovo offers new #linux based phones https://t.co/2TQBMpBbrj recall https://t.co/PntgVUjKcc | Mar 24 20:39 | |
| schestowitz | They've improved since, in numerous ways I've noted. That's what we want. | Mar 24 20:39 |
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| MinceR | https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=149028593819547&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=149032069130072&w=2 | Mar 24 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marc.info | 'regarding OpenSSL License change' - MARC | Mar 24 23:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marc.info | 'GCC licence change' - MARC | Mar 24 23:36 | |
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| cubexyz | ok, I know OneDrive probably doesn't work well on Linux, but why in the world would I ever use OneDrive? | Mar 25 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Do you drink alcohol? %) | Mar 25 15:31 |
| cubexyz | nope | Mar 25 15:31 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Then I see no reasons :). | Mar 25 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5zl0tv/why_use_a_tiling_window_manager_over_a_floating/ | Mar 25 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why use a tiling window manager over a floating one? : linux | Mar 25 19:55 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60emmf/i_just_want_to_say_how_nice_new_installers_are/ | Mar 25 20:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I just want to say how nice new installers are. : linux | Mar 25 20:18 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/612khu/as_a_professional_video_editor_i_have_to_say/ | Mar 25 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | As a professional video editor I have to say Lightworks 14 beta is incredible ! I am so glad that I can finally, completely switch to Linux. : linux | Mar 25 20:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6114ou/i_guess_this_means_linux_also/ | Mar 25 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I guess this means linux also : linux | Mar 25 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=149032069130072&w=2 | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | To push this change through we are going to follow the re-licensing | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | procedure recently proposed by OpenSSL, which has been signed off by | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | their lawyers at the SFLC. This process has significant signoff from | Mar 25 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marc.info | 'GCC licence change' - MARC | Mar 25 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation, Intel, and others. | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-7.5 | Mar 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/618s9u/why_are_reported_bugs_so_often_ignored/ | Mar 25 20:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why are reported bugs so often ignored? : linux | Mar 25 20:56 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60z7bq/kernel_49_and_skylake_processors/ | Mar 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | "The heck is that flair?" | Mar 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | WJW | Mar 25 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | kernel 4.9 and skylake processors : linux | Mar 25 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | SJW | Mar 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 | Mar 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/613ghr/alleged_former_intel_engineer_warns_of_the/ | Mar 25 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Alleged Former Intel Engineer Warns of the Dangers of Intel ME. (no proof but interesting nonetheless). : linux | Mar 25 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | 4chan as a source? | Mar 25 21:29 |
| MinceR | hardly reliable | Mar 25 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | The lawsuit against MS for forcing the Windows 10 update on people without asking and trashing their data should be interesting. | Mar 25 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | I say that it does go class action and MSFT offers a settlement to make it go away. | Mar 25 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | It won't be much of a settlement. It'll be one of those "Gosh, we destroyed all your work? Here's $40.". | Mar 25 21:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 25 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Still, people should sign up to get it since they do get $40 and don't have to exclude themselves and try to sue Microsoft individually later. | Mar 25 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | (Or whatever the settlement amount is.) | Mar 25 21:39 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: annoyingly, the TuxMachines bot works fine locally... just not on VPS. x_x | Mar 25 22:06 |
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