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DaaemonFCschestowitz, I see that Linsux is still semi-active on Reddit.Jun 11 02:36
DaaemonFCI'll give them this, they do love to troll.Jun 11 02:36
DaaemonFCLinux has been getting more consistent and coherent, but BSD is showing signs of advanced decay, at least as a desktop OS.Jun 11 02:36
DaaemonFCGTK+ seems to deal with super high res displays a lot better than Qt apps do.Jun 11 02:41
DaaemonFCYou can scale KDE and its apps, but things like the Qt file picker are still wrong. Checkboxes are teeny tiny. Auto spell check becomes unusable due to font rendering issues.Jun 11 02:42
DaaemonFCThey need to fix some bugs in Qt. Jun 11 02:42
DaaemonFCGNOME decided to do HiDPI right and for some reason, KDE didn't.Jun 11 02:43
oiaohmDaaemonFC: I would not say Gnome got HiDPI right.Jun 11 02:50
oiaohmDaaemonFC: Gnome did the stuffed up integer base scaling that has to be recreated and Qt had floating point scaling.Jun 11 02:50
oiaohmDaaemonFC: also Gnome has been picking bugs out of GTK as well.Jun 11 02:52
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schestowitz[07:35] <DaaemonFC> schestowitz, I see that Linsux is still semi-active on Reddit.Jun 11 02:57
schestowitzyes, they're rude and hostleJun 11 02:57
schestowitzI don't like Reddit crowd thereJun 11 02:57
schestowitzsome pro-Microsoft people there, some MS employeesJun 11 02:57
schestowitz(in Linux subs)Jun 11 02:57
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oiaohmDaaemonFC: I would not say gnome got HiDPI right.   The integer based scaling come out of Gnome.    Qt had floating point scaleing.      Both GTK and QT have had glitches for HiDPIJun 11 03:02
oiaohmDaaemonFC: Linux HiDPI from KDE and Gnome has been choose your broken.Jun 11 03:02
DaaemonFCHmmJun 11 03:08
DaaemonFCI heard that more improvements for GNOME are coming.Jun 11 03:08
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oiaohmDaaemonFC: https://blog.hetzenecker.me/2017-05-15-hello-gsoc/  One of KDE summer of code group will be working on HiDPIJun 11 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.hetzenecker.me | Making Hi-DPI awesomeJun 11 03:12
oiaohmDaaemonFC: There is work going on with both Gnome and KDE to fix the messes.Jun 11 03:12
DaaemonFChttp://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com/2017/06/uefi-and-mageia-6-adventure.htmlJun 11 03:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com | Mandriva Linux Chronicles: UEFI and Mageia 6 RC AdventureJun 11 03:27
DaaemonFCI wonder if Mageia handles uEFI and Secure Boot these days.Jun 11 03:27
DaaemonFCThe last time I paid attention to it, they were one of the last distributions still using the patched-to-hell version of Grub 0.97. Jun 11 03:28
DaaemonFCObviously, the only way that could work is with BIOS Boot enabled.Jun 11 03:28
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn He may never come here https://t.co/FmjamZHy0n'Jun 11 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-petition.parliament.uk | Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom. - PetitionsJun 11 09:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn He may never come here...'Jun 11 09:53
MinceRhttps://i.redd.it/xwlb42y2nx2z.gifJun 11 09:56
MinceRhttps://twitter.com/BarnabyEdwards/status/873246062932369409Jun 11 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BarnabyEdwards: This is why I love Twitter. https://t.co/2bKtlFZNXSJun 11 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BarnabyEdwards: This is why I love Twitter. https://t.co/2bKtlFZNXSJun 11 10:00
schestowitzMinceR: from that same complilation of lame UX for volume controol?Jun 11 10:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn #trumpOut and soon #MayOut - his BFF....'Jun 11 10:05
MinceRnot from that dump, but on the same topicJun 11 10:09
schestowitzI c...Jun 11 10:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/PlebianPrime/status/873906576075231233Jun 11 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PlebianPrime: @schestowitz @jeremycorbyn Prove their terrorists you babbling desperate mumble crust. Saudi arabia is a state. Don… https://t.co/0eK7vyBI8GJun 11 10:18
schestowitzProve their terrorists you babbling desperate mumble crust. Saudi arabia is a state. Dont tarnish you all say. Then i want every arab gone.""Jun 11 10:18
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Saudi_role_in_September_11_attacksJun 11 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Alleged Saudi role in September 11 attacks - WikipediaJun 11 10:18
MinceRhttp://assets.amuniversal.com/bfd522c01bb90135b144005056a9545d   (gallery: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-05-30 )Jun 11 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wally Has A Doctor's Note - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-05-30 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsJun 11 10:46
oiaohmschestowitz: the Arabia problem is part the usage of militia Jun 11 10:46
oiaohmschestowitz: http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/05/01/520183/Yemen-AlQaeda-AQAP-Qasim-alRimi-Saudi-Arabia-US-UN-Houthis-Hadi-Hudaydah  It this stuff that make your go what in heck.Jun 11 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.presstv.ir | PressTV-'Al-Qaeda fights alongside US, S Arabia in Yemen' [ http://ur1.ca/qzkup ]Jun 11 10:52
oiaohmschestowitz: trumps call to not support terrorist groups is a very big issue in the Arabia area.   When a terrorist group will fight on the side the political wants they get paid then wonder why down the track they turn around and bite them.Jun 11 10:53
oiaohmhttp://www.zdnet.com/article/encryption-leaves-authorities-not-in-a-good-place-former-us-intelligence-chief/  Lets ask for the impossible.Jun 11 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Encryption leaves authorities 'not in a good place': Former US intelligence chief | ZDNetJun 11 10:58
oiaohmYou cannot have encryption that protects privacy and a back door.Jun 11 10:59
cubexyzwrite your own :)Jun 11 10:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/873918151720919041Jun 11 11:05
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TweetTuxMachines                 Professional #Audio Production  https://t.co/Cs84rAsNStJun 11 11:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #multimedia #freesw #gnu #linuxJun 11 11:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KXStudio 14.04.5 Linux Distribution Released for Professional Audio Production | Tux MachinesJun 11 11:05
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @theresa_may https://t.co/Ybvm2clRgI'Jun 11 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @theresa_may https://t.co/Ybvm2clRgIJun 11 11:06
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/jdSL61S.gifvJun 11 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | ImgurJun 11 11:07
schestowitzoiaohm: thanks for the linksJun 11 11:08
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schestowitzMinceR: I don't understand http://i.imgur.com/jdSL61S.gifvJun 11 11:14
schestowitzmassive tetrisJun 11 11:14
MinceRthe point is the endJun 11 11:15
schestowitzMaybe it gets clipped for meJun 11 11:15
MinceRwhere the player deliberately places the piece off to the side, instead of in the hole? :>Jun 11 11:16
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/BfQJ4Jun 11 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Glad you made this far. Here's some more! - Album on ImgurJun 11 11:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/873924899412336640Jun 11 11:29
TweetTuxMachines                 #Robolinux Project Announces New Releases That Let YouJun 11 11:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Run Windows Virus Free https://t.co/yKguEBdAeJJun 11 11:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #windowsJun 11 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Robolinux Project Announces New Releases That Let You Run Windows Virus Free | Tux MachinesJun 11 11:29
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schestowitzMinceR: I still don't get itJun 11 11:30
schestowitzsome taste of art?Jun 11 11:30
MinceRannoying people with OCD tendencies, i guessJun 11 11:31
oiaohmschestowitz: its one of those odd games.   Its there are some really old rule variations to tetrisJun 11 11:35
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Robolinux Project Announces New Releases That Let You...'Jun 11 11:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/873927425465483269Jun 11 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers https://t.co/oWDJLZU9MSJun 11 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #google #security #debian #raspiJun 11 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 11 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #chrome #android #sambaJun 11 11:39
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MinceRhttp://assets.amuniversal.com/c3af67201bb90135b144005056a9545d   (sauce: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-06-02 )Jun 11 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Modular Workstations - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-06-02 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsJun 11 11:40
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Security Leftovers https://t.co/oWDJLZU9MS #google #security #debian #raspi #chrome...'Jun 11 11:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/873928547135631360Jun 11 11:43
TweetTuxMachines                 #Servers: #OpenStack, #OpenDaylight, #Rackspace, andJun 11 11:43
TweetTuxMachines                 #Serverless https://t.co/SRvmgRDBuF (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 11 11:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Servers: OpenStack, OpenDaylight, Rackspace, and 'Serverless' | Tux MachinesJun 11 11:43
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Distributions News: #MX 16.1, #Clonezilla, #PorteusKioskJun 11 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 4.4.0, and #openSUSE #Tumbleweed https://t.co/xj7LsAXOq2Jun 11 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 11 11:51
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/GxNJNJun 11 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An Eternal Struggle for the Immature  - Album on ImgurJun 11 12:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/SecurityNews6/status/873933220819066880Jun 11 12:09
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Security Leftovers https://t.co/oWDJLZU9MSJun 11 12:09
TweetTuxMachines @SecurityNews6  (www.tuxmachines.org) #google #security #debian #raspiJun 11 12:09
TweetTuxMachines                 #chrome #android #sambaJun 11 12:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/873935038676709377Jun 11 12:11
TweetTuxMachines                 GNOME News (and Olds): #GNOME3 Pimping, This week inJun 11 12:11
TweetTuxMachines                 #GNOMEBuilder, and Older News https://t.co/oQPvvoqs7LJun 11 12:11
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnome #gtk #gnu #linuxJun 11 12:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME News (and Olds): GNOME 3 Pimping, This week in GNOME Builder, and Older News | Tux MachinesJun 11 12:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/873935673115496448Jun 11 12:12
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/mnG7qwzy3MJun 11 12:12
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #unix #gnu #linuxJun 11 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 11 12:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/cybershellsec/status/873937047685406721Jun 11 12:20
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Robolinux Project Announces New Releases That Let YouJun 11 12:20
TweetTuxMachines @cybershellsec  Run Windows Virus Free https://t.co/yKguEBdAeJJun 11 12:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #windowsJun 11 12:20
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: pingJun 11 13:17
sebsebsebschestowitz: DUPJun 11 13:17
sebsebsebMinceR: AppleJun 11 13:17
sebsebsebMinceR: SystemDJun 11 13:17
sebsebsebMinceR: LinuxJun 11 13:17
sebsebsebcubexyz: Fedora Core 1 Man !Jun 11 13:18
MinceRsebsebseb: microsoftJun 11 13:20
schestowitzWHAT?Jun 11 13:20
schestowitzf* datJun 11 13:20
MinceR:)Jun 11 13:20
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NAUgCm-3TcJun 11 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Louis C.K. Faggot, Cunt, Nigger - YouTubeJun 11 13:21
*TweetTuxMachines @manpageio favourited '#Ubuntu -driven #TurtleBot gets a major rev with...'Jun 11 13:23
sebsebsebschestowitz: yes  DUPJun 11 13:24
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Robolinux Project Announces New Releases That Let You...'Jun 11 13:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: interesting times ayeJun 11 13:25
sebsebsebMinceR: Microsoft  Ubuntu  bash shell in Windows 10Jun 11 13:25
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#KXStudio 14.04.5 Linux Distribution Released for Professional #Audio...'Jun 11 13:26
MinceRsebsebseb: WannaCryJun 11 13:32
MinceRhttp://index.hu/mindekozben/poszt/2017/06/10/kiderult_donald_trump_donald_kacsa_megforditva/Jun 11 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-index.hu | Index - Mindeközben - Kiderült: Donald Trump = Donald kacsa megfordítvaJun 11 13:33
sebsebsebMinceR: yep NHS spyware adwaare malwareJun 11 13:36
sebsebsebMinceR: but UK sucks for IT in general soJun 11 13:36
cubexyzjust general badwareJun 11 13:50
cubexyzthat includes lots of just plain bad hardware tooJun 11 13:50
MinceRhttps://i.redd.it/1lkra3s3e13z.pngJun 11 13:53
cubexyzI never did get a straight answer from intel about which CPUs didn't have Intel MEJun 11 13:59
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#Robolinux Project Announces New Releases That Let You...'Jun 11 14:01
cubexyzit's stuff like this that makes me think about vax and amigaJun 11 14:03
cubexyzthere's some talk about using a 2nd nicJun 11 14:04
cubexyzdon't use the one on the motherboardJun 11 14:04
cubexyzI heard the intel me isn't located on the CPU die Jun 11 14:08
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/F306ilg.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/F306ilg )Jun 11 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | I am Death! Feel my wrath!Jun 11 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I am Death! Feel my wrath! - GIF on ImgurJun 11 14:13
MinceRit makes me think about FPGA-based cpusJun 11 14:14
oiaohmcubexyz: it has been located in the Northbridge chipJun 11 14:14
oiaohmcubexyz: https://www.coreboot.org/Intel_Management_EngineJun 11 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.coreboot.org | Intel Management Engine - corebootJun 11 14:16
oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_Controller_Hub  the scary point is ME can run and do network connectivity with no x86 CPU chip on the motherboard. Jun 11 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Platform Controller Hub - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/qzlo4 ]Jun 11 14:17
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DaaemonFCMinceR, What's your take on the BSD approach to systemd?Jun 11 15:21
MinceRlaunchd?Jun 11 15:21
DaaemonFCThey seem to be writing stub services that redirect systemd functionality to the native services.Jun 11 15:21
DaaemonFCThey have enough stubs to get recent versions of GNOME and KDE running.Jun 11 15:21
MinceRso they'll support poettering's shitty dbus APIs? i don't like itJun 11 15:22
MinceRthose APIs should dieJun 11 15:22
MinceRpreferably along with dbusJun 11 15:22
DaaemonFCThe idea is that the program is fooled into believing systemd is there, but it isn't.Jun 11 15:23
DaaemonFCI guess it's easier to do that than port the software without systemd support.Jun 11 15:23
DaaemonFCSeems kind of gross, but I suspect Devuan is doing something similar.Jun 11 15:23
DaaemonFCMinceR, The Lumina Desktop does not use systemd, dbus, or any of that.Jun 11 15:24
MinceRwell, it's better than letting cancerd runJun 11 15:25
MinceRand no, devuan does not do thisJun 11 15:25
DaaemonFCWhat do they do?Jun 11 15:25
DaaemonFCHow are they avoiding it?Jun 11 15:25
MinceRit disables compile-time options to depend on cancerdJun 11 15:25
MinceRand the default desktop is xfce, which doesn't depend on cancerdJun 11 15:26
DaaemonFCOh, well.Jun 11 15:26
MinceRi don't think anyone cared about running gnome or kde enough to patch themJun 11 15:26
DaaemonFCFrom what I can tell, Lumina is written in Qt and uses Fluxbox as the window manager.Jun 11 15:27
DaaemonFCThe Lumina code is licensed under the 3 clause BSD license.Jun 11 15:27
DaaemonFCSome Linux distributions offer it as well, but Fedora doesn't have it.Jun 11 15:27
DaaemonFCSpeaking of licenses, I think that as of 3.24, all of GNOME is now using GPL3+ or LGPL3+.Jun 11 15:28
DaaemonFCGNOME Web switched from GPL2+ this release.Jun 11 15:28
DaaemonFCThe more code switches to the newer GPL, the better, especially since Canonical is so hostile with licensing.Jun 11 15:29
DaaemonFCThey haven't named names, but they said that basing a distribution on Ubuntu's packages is illegal even if you strip them of Ubuntu's copyright.Jun 11 15:29
DaaemonFCSo they were implying Linux Mint is pirated without saying it.Jun 11 15:29
DaaemonFCMark Shuttleworth came out and said that they made this policy because some "shoddy distributions" were passing themselves off as Ubuntu and hurting their brand.Jun 11 15:30
DaaemonFCWhatever that means.Jun 11 15:30
oiaohmDaaemonFC: kind of wrong.  Stripping the copyright would be illegal.  removing the trademarks is legal.Jun 11 15:30
DaaemonFCMatthew Garrett is correct that this makes Ubuntu nonfree.Jun 11 15:30
oiaohmDaaemonFC: there are some out there doing the wrong thing with copyright.Jun 11 15:31
DaaemonFCThe correct way to protect your brand is with trademark enforcement.Jun 11 15:31
DaaemonFCErrr, strip them of Ubuntu's marks I meant.Jun 11 15:31
MinceRDaaemonFC: can you link these statements from canonical?Jun 11 15:31
oiaohmDaaemonFC: there have been a few ubuntu forks that have in fact stripped copyright headers.   Ie got a little to over active on trademark removal.Jun 11 15:32
DaaemonFCMinceR, Matthew Garrett's comments: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/45939.htmlJun 11 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Ubuntu still isn't free softwareJun 11 15:32
DaaemonFCMinceR, Original post from Ubuntu: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/45939.htmlJun 11 15:32
DaaemonFCerrrJun 11 15:32
DaaemonFChttps://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/12/01/taking-a-stand-against-unstable-risky-unofficial-ubuntu-images/Jun 11 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insights.ubuntu.com | Taking a stand against unofficial Ubuntu images | Ubuntu InsightsJun 11 15:32
MinceRthxJun 11 15:32
DaaemonFC"We do not make this move lightly, but have come to the view that the value of Ubuntu to its users rests on these commitments to security, quality and updates."Jun 11 15:33
DaaemonFCLOLJun 11 15:33
DaaemonFCMust be why I STILL can't connect to my Bluetooth stereo system with A2DP for the third Ubuntu release in a row.Jun 11 15:34
DaaemonFC:)Jun 11 15:34
DaaemonFCWorks fine in Fedora.Jun 11 15:34
DaaemonFCI like Fedora better anyway. Jun 11 15:34
DaaemonFCIt's surprisingly much more stable than Ubuntu and much more user friendly than Debian, especially considering how new all of the packages tend to be.Jun 11 15:35
oiaohmDaaemonFC: some of those risky distributions have delete sections on the package management that include like what license files are.Jun 11 15:35
DaaemonFCThe Debian/Ubuntu mindset seems to be that if you don't like what a package is doing, then patch it and never worry about sending the patch upstream or even working with upstream at all.Jun 11 15:35
oiaohmDaaemonFC: so there is some copyright infringment going on due to removing information that should not be removed.Jun 11 15:35
DaaemonFCThat way you can hve hundreds of packages that don't work like the upstream version and all have their own bugs too!Jun 11 15:36
DaaemonFCAt least, that's the way it was when I looked last time. And their Ubuntu kernel was carrying nearly 100 patches as of about 4 years ago vs the mainline. It was so bad that if you compiled and used a mainline kernel, you broke things that were supposed to work in Ubuntu.Jun 11 15:37
DaaemonFCAgain, might have improved. Some of the AppArmor stuff was upstreamed since then and the patches for Upstart's readahead are irrelevant now that they use systemd, which has its own readahead.Jun 11 15:38
XRevan86DaaemonFC: systemd-readahead has been removed.Jun 11 15:38
XRevan86since systemd 217Jun 11 15:39
oiaohmDaaemonFC: Debian policy rules do say that patches are meant to be sent up stream.   Debian does have issues with maintainers not always following the rules.   Ubuntu does not have that policy.Jun 11 15:39
MinceRlolJun 11 15:42
DaaemonFCFedora doesn't carry its own patches unless it's going to be upstreamed very soon.Jun 11 15:42
MinceRthe only thing canonical is committed to is not doing any work other than putting their branding on debianJun 11 15:42
DaaemonFCPretty much every package is vanilla or with as few patches as possible.Jun 11 15:43
DaaemonFCI'm not entirely thrilled with the Wayland by default. It's still not ready.Jun 11 15:44
DaaemonFCMost of the problems are with XWayland.Jun 11 15:44
DaaemonFCThe performance is pretty bad with XWayland and some bugs with touch and things like that.Jun 11 15:45
DaaemonFCThe overhead is sufficient that many games become unplayable when you run them like that, but there's a GNOME on Xorg session.Jun 11 15:45
DaaemonFCI feel like that's going to be there for a while as a crutch until XWayland performance gets a lot better.Jun 11 15:46
MinceRgames will never work right if they stick to their commitment to enforcing vsync at all timesJun 11 15:46
DaaemonFCMinceR, That's one of the problems, yeah.Jun 11 15:47
DaaemonFCIt's better to just drop frames if you have to.Jun 11 15:47
DaaemonFCThe stuttering from trying to use vsync is much worse.Jun 11 15:47
DaaemonFCbrbJun 11 15:48
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DaaemonFChttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/5h2uvg/wayland_bad_for_gaming/Jun 11 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Wayland - bad for gaming? : linux_gamingJun 11 15:50
DaaemonFCMinceR, Apparently, you can work around some of the problems, at least with games that use SDL.Jun 11 15:50
DaaemonFCMinceR, Oddly enough, Microsoft forces vsync on when you run a game that you bought in the Windows Store.Jun 11 15:52
DaaemonFCSo you get the same problem there.Jun 11 15:52
MinceRlolJun 11 15:52
DaaemonFCSurprised that people who bought Gears of War 4 weren't angrier about that.Jun 11 15:52
MinceRwhich one took it from the other?Jun 11 15:52
DaaemonFCWell, Wayland predates the Universal Windows Platform.Jun 11 15:54
DaaemonFCMinceR, Also, games in the Windows Store can't use SLI/Crossfire.Jun 11 15:54
DaaemonFCSo if you have dual graphics cards, it will only use one of them.Jun 11 15:55
DaaemonFCThere are really awful limitations on Windows Store apps and Microsoft wonders why they can't get any big name third party titles on it instead of on Steam.Jun 11 15:56
DaaemonFCIt's going to take Microsoft years to sort through this Windows Store mess to the point where they've caught up with Steam, if it ever happens.Jun 11 15:56
DaaemonFCSteam has the advantage of being cross platform too, so there's that.Jun 11 15:57
DaaemonFCIf you buy a game that is cross-platform and then later switch to Mac or Linux, it should keep working.Jun 11 15:57
DaaemonFCWhen you get a Windows app, it only works on Windows. Jun 11 15:57
MinceRlolJun 11 15:57
DaaemonFCI mean, technically the developer could release an AppX package and tell you how to enable sideloading, assuming your Windows SKU allows you to do that.Jun 11 15:58
MinceRapparently it doesn't even work on windowsJun 11 15:58
DaaemonFCBut Windows still won't allow an AppX to be installed unless it's signed with your developer key, issued by Microsoft or one of their supported CAs.Jun 11 15:58
DaaemonFCI suppose....that Wine could be made to allow AppX installs and ignore the signing requirement, but....You'd still have to get the developer to release an AppX package. Or maybe use the pirate bay as your app store. :)Jun 11 15:59
MinceRi wonder which DirectSuX version will be the first one that's limited to winblows store crAppsJun 11 16:00
MinceRto force game developers into the storeJun 11 16:00
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XRevan86> it only works on WindowsJun 11 16:01
XRevan86DaaemonFC: Like… on Windows 7? :)Jun 11 16:01
XRevan86So there's also that: it only works on Windows 10 even, not just only on Windows.Jun 11 16:02
oiaohmDaaemonFC: codeweavers did get windows store app to run on wine but thing you run into a legal hell.   Sideloading store applications is not in fact permitted.Jun 11 16:03
oiaohmDaaemonFC: and of course Microsoft does not make a MIcrosoft store for wine.Jun 11 16:03
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DaaemonFCMinceR, You don't have to be a UWP app to use the latest DirectX for now.Jun 11 16:12
DaaemonFCI think they'd be sued massively for that.Jun 11 16:12
DaaemonFCYou do have to be a UWP app if you want access to EdgeHTML, otherwise you have to use Trident to render web pages.Jun 11 16:13
DaaemonFCYou could bundle Xulrunner, I guess, but that makes your app bigger. Also, how much longer will that work with the "overhaul" being done on Firefox.Jun 11 16:13
MinceRfor now.Jun 11 16:14
MinceRyou could use Blink insteadJun 11 16:14
MinceRbut it wouldn't be nearly as broken as EdgeHTML or TridentJun 11 16:14
DaaemonFCMinceR, EdgeHTML reports that it is Blink.Jun 11 16:15
MinceRand since your first ideas were to use one of those, you probably wanted your app to be brokenJun 11 16:15
MinceRthat doesn't make it BlinkJun 11 16:15
MinceRit's just IE pretending to be BlinkJun 11 16:15
DaaemonFCAnd Microsoft says that any rendering differences are bugs that it wants to fix.Jun 11 16:15
DaaemonFCYeah, but their goal is compatibility with Blink.Jun 11 16:15
MinceRsure it isJun 11 16:15
DaaemonFCFake it til you make it.Jun 11 16:15
MinceRmicrosoft never lies!Jun 11 16:15
DaaemonFCB-)Jun 11 16:15
DaaemonFCFirefox is, sadly, still the de facto browser on Linux.Jun 11 16:17
DaaemonFCGoogle has no intention of becoming anything resembling a proper upstream with Chromium.Jun 11 16:18
DaaemonFCThey've left most of the Linux packaging issues closed with WONTFIX and so Chromium from your distribution has to bring in hundreds of MB of "chromium-liba", and Chrome is worse.Jun 11 16:18
MinceRgreatJun 11 16:19
DaaemonFCIt depends on "Red Hat LSB" which depends on tons of crap that Chrome doesn't even use.Jun 11 16:19
MinceRmeanwhile palemoon still has some annoying bugsJun 11 16:19
DaaemonFCMinceR, How long has the Firefox bug that makes it unusable with dark themes on Linux been open?Jun 11 16:19
DaaemonFCLonger than I can remember.Jun 11 16:19
DaaemonFCPossibly ~15 years.Jun 11 16:19
DaaemonFCThey say a fix has been checked in for Firefox 55.Jun 11 16:20
DaaemonFCI'll believe that when I see it.Jun 11 16:20
MinceRdunnoJun 11 16:21
MinceRthe one that annoys me the most is when it randomly decides not to play animated gifsJun 11 16:21
DaaemonFCIt's simply not acceptable to go to install a web browser (Chromium/Chrome) and have your package manager tell you that 500 MB of packages will be installed.Jun 11 16:22
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MinceRit's the natural way of the "modern" webJun 11 16:24
MinceRthey keep tacking shit on top of everything that was there beforeJun 11 16:24
DaaemonFCMinceR, The guy who develops higan posted a rant about how difficult it is to get a SSL certificate and how the CAs are basically a cartel.Jun 11 16:26
MinceRand there isn't much of a point to it anywayJun 11 16:27
MinceRas PKI is laughably vulnerableJun 11 16:27
DaaemonFCHe said that browsers are starting to warn people that unencrypted HTTP browsing is unsafe, but will happily download and run binary apps on your computer.Jun 11 16:27
MinceR:>Jun 11 16:28
MinceRthey'll also happily download and run javascript on your computerJun 11 16:28
MinceRwithout asking youJun 11 16:28
MinceRbut i'm sure their sandbox is the one piece of software that has no bugsJun 11 16:28
MinceRhttp://assets.amuniversal.com/b1d0101006b4013593f4005056a9545d   (sauce: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-06-04 )Jun 11 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-06-04 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsJun 11 16:30
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/lXGgztG.gif   (gallery: https://imgur.com/lXGgztG )Jun 11 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The most awesome images on the InternetJun 11 16:35
DaaemonFCRyan FarmerJun 11 16:39
DaaemonFCJust now · Jun 11 16:39
DaaemonFCWeb browsers are starting to warn people that unencrypted HTTP browsing is unsafe (and the certificate authorities operate as a cartel, requiring hundreds of dollars to sign your domains), but will happily download and run binary apps on your computer.Jun 11 16:39
DaaemonFCI've decided to switch my main browser to GNOME Web with Webkit2-GTK and keep Firefox around for stubborn websites. Nobody is going to test for Web since it has a marketshare of probably 1/1000 people who use the GNOME Desktop Environment on Linux. The fact that it uses Webkit makes it work though, usually, since Webkit is the engine that Safari uses, and it's also what Chrome's Blink engine is based on.Jun 11 16:39
DaaemonFCAs an aside, Webkit's origins are from KHTML. The rendering engine used in KDE. At the time Apple forked it (in 2002), they praised KHTML and KJS for coming in at 140,000 source lines of code. After all this "modern web" bullshit, 15 years later, Apple, Google, and other companies have Webkit sitting at 10,383,538 source lines of code. Yes, Apple and Google have managed to bloat Webkit to 74 times its original size in just 15 years.Jun 11 16:39
DaaemonFCIt can take 300 MB of RAM to load one tab with Facebook in it, in a "modern web" browser. :(Jun 11 16:39
DaaemonFCAt this point, it's all about which rendering engine is the least bad.Jun 11 16:39
DaaemonFCFor GNOME's part, they made a decent browser around the shit sandwich that is Webkit. It reuses code and functionality from GNOME instead of duplicating the code for the browser itself, so it's less of a shit sandwich than Chrome.Jun 11 16:39
DaaemonFCWhen you go to install Chrome on Linux, your package manager will tell you that 500 MB of garbage is about to be added to your computer. By comparison, everything that Web needs is already in GNOME and GTK.Jun 11 16:39
DaaemonFCMinceR, I edited that to include (Is the web 74 times more useful now than it was in 2002?).Jun 11 16:42
MinceR:>Jun 11 16:42
DaaemonFCMinceR, "Modern Web" means making it easy for random websites to run programs on your computer that you're not allowed to audit/inspect, etc.Jun 11 16:44
DaaemonFCIt's becoming a platform for non-free software distribution instead of simply viewing pages and downloading software to use on your computer.Jun 11 16:44
MinceRyeahJun 11 16:44
DaaemonFCThe W3C has allowed a few companies to take over the web and reshape it how a company like Microsoft or Apple sees fit. Jun 11 16:45
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/LPJHQIj.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/LPJHQIj )Jun 11 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | The original fidget spinnerJun 11 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The original fidget spinner - GIF on ImgurJun 11 16:48
DaaemonFCMinceR, Then there's the problem of "premium content".Jun 11 16:54
DaaemonFCWidevineJun 11 16:54
DaaemonFCThey've turned HTML 5 into everything that was wrong with Flash.Jun 11 16:54
MinceRexactlyJun 11 16:54
DaaemonFCIncluding a proprietary DRM module that opens your computer up to attack. Or else, you can't watch Netflix or listen to Spotify. More stuff will break without it in the future.Jun 11 16:54
MinceRthey'll probably start blocking ordinary textJun 11 16:55
MinceRmaybe they'll make support for their DRM contingent on removing adblockers or somethingJun 11 16:55
DaaemonFCThanks to Chrome's massive market share, they can commit atrocities against the web and its users. Next up is a program called "Funding Choices" which gives an ultimatum to adblock users to disable their ad filters or pay to use websites.Jun 11 16:58
DaaemonFCWe've seen this sort of stuff before, but more filter lists and userscripts came along to detect the anti-adblock code and disable it, allowing access to the site. Will Funding Choices be as easy to disable? Not if you use Chrome. Google will simply boot any program that's capable of interfering with it out of the Chrome Web Store, and there's nothing you can do about it as long as you use Chrome.Jun 11 17:00
MinceR"clouds have made changes"Jun 11 17:01
MinceRi see that canonical is also struggling with the english languageJun 11 17:01
DaaemonFCI added, "Google's motto used to be "Don't Be Evil!", but you, dear reader, tell me which part of Chrome is good. It's certainly not well designed. It's certainly there to abuse you. It's not going to get any better than it is now. The only way to win the game is to refuse to play it. Uninstall Chrome and use a different browser!"Jun 11 17:02
MinceRhttp://scorpiondagger.tumblr.com/post/160242457753Jun 11 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-scorpiondagger.tumblr.com | scorpion dagger [ http://ur1.ca/qzm7p ]Jun 11 17:05
schestowitzweirdJun 11 17:08
MinceR:)Jun 11 17:08
MinceRDaaemonFC: what is canonical's mechanism for enforcing this ban?Jun 11 17:11
MinceRpresumably copyright, but i can't see itJun 11 17:11
DaaemonFCMinceR, I think they just contacted Amazon and filed a DMCA complaint.Jun 11 17:13
DaaemonFCMost web services don't even really investigate the complaint, they just take down your stuff and there's nothing you can do about it, even if the DMCA complaint was completely bogus.Jun 11 17:13
MinceRicJun 11 17:13
DaaemonFCFacebook and Youtube are even worse. If they detect any copyrighted sound in your video, they won't let you post it, or disable all sound.Jun 11 17:14
DaaemonFCMinceR, Youtube is worse yet. They let anyone file a DMCA complaint and then demand to put ads in your video in exchange for their permission to use the content....Except that people with no copyright to anything file these on random videos to stuff them full of ads. They usually drop their claim if you challenge it. Most people don't, so it's a way of stealing from you. Youtube (Google) doesn't care.Jun 11 17:15
MinceRhttps://www.demilked.com/funny-design-fails/Jun 11 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.demilked.com | 10+ Most Hilarious Design Fails By “Crappy Design” [ http://ur1.ca/qzmb1 ]Jun 11 17:36
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DaaemonFCLooks like Fedora still has Banshee Media Player.Jun 11 18:06
DaaemonFCThe site says the last update was released in 2014.Jun 11 18:06
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MinceRspot the differences >> https://www.poolpro.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/650x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/2/8/28270_intex-rectangular-frame-pool-7ft-1.jpg   http://catalog.saco-ksa.com/ramadan-offers-2017/files/assets/basic-html/page-46.html#Jun 11 18:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-catalog.saco-ksa.com | Ramadan Offers 2017 [ http://ur1.ca/qzmf8 ]Jun 11 18:13
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MinceRhttps://images.discordapp.net/attachments/168113248724320258/323206982624608256/u81F8.jpgJun 11 18:44
DaaemonFCI guess I need to look at my Ogg files and re-encode from Flac any that were encoded with libvorbis before 1.3.2.Jun 11 18:52
DaaemonFCxiphmont backed out some AoTuv changes that resulted in sound quality problems.Jun 11 18:52
DaaemonFCNo wonder he's never merged AoTuv since the last time, many years ago.Jun 11 18:52
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MinceRhttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/31/bofh_2017_episode_4/Jun 11 18:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | BOFH: The Boss, the floppy and the work 'experience' • The RegisterJun 11 19:00
DaaemonFCMinceR, Pale Moon is probably unmanageable anyway.Jun 11 19:26
DaaemonFCThey don't have the resources that Mozilla does, and XUL Add Ons are going to be history soon.Jun 11 19:26
DaaemonFCInevitably, they'll need to fork Firefox from scratch again to get WebExtension support, give up on Pale Moon completely, or try to fork and maintain a few really important XUL extensions themselves.Jun 11 19:27
DaaemonFCThey're going to creak and clank in other ways too.Jun 11 19:28
DaaemonFCThey won't have the Wayland support that's going into Firefox without rebasing the patches onto Pale Moon.Jun 11 19:29
DaaemonFCThat's not trivial.Jun 11 19:29
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oiaohmDaaemonFC: I don't see where Wayland support equals changing everything.   Jun 11 19:43
oiaohmDaaemonFC: its not like XUL direct stuff talks X11.Jun 11 19:44
oiaohmDaaemonFC: https://eischmann.wordpress.com/2017/02/15/nightly-and-wayland-builds-of-firefox-for-flatpak/  there are development branches of firefox that work on Wayland that are still XUL extention supporting.Jun 11 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eischmann.wordpress.com | Nightly and Wayland Builds of Firefox for Flatpak | Brno hatJun 11 19:46
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MinceR12 012605 < DaaemonFC> MinceR, Pale Moon is probably unmanageable anyway.Jun 12 01:20
MinceRso's failfoxJun 12 01:20
MinceRmozilla just keeps making it worse and worseJun 12 01:21
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MinceRhttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/07/bofh_2017_episode_5/Jun 12 01:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/874136497380880384Jun 12 01:56
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Software Releases: The New and the Slightly OlderJun 12 01:56
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/jHPvac0mFB (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 12 01:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @OpenWareB favourited '#Robolinux Project Announces New Releases That Let You...'Jun 12 02:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks These things have escalated further since. The...'Jun 12 03:00
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schestowitzhttps://securityreactions.tumblr.com/post/160811148746/how-would-you-describe-your-experience-with #securityJun 12 03:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks These things have escalated further...'Jun 12 03:08
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DaaemonFChttp://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2014/04/brendan_eich_quits_mozilla_let_s_purge_all_the_antigay_donors_to_prop_8.htmlJun 12 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slate.com | Brendan Eich quits Mozilla: Let’s purge all the anti-gay donors to Prop 8.Jun 12 03:45
DaaemonFCI seem to recall people defending the prick.Jun 12 03:45
DaaemonFCHe put money towards a political campaign designed to deny people civil rights and was dumb enough to think that nobody would ever notice that his name and donation were public records because of campaign finance laws?Jun 12 03:46
DaaemonFCschestowitz, Now he's in charge of a fork of Google Chrome that has no reason to exist.Jun 12 03:47
DaaemonFCI can't imagine why anyone would use "Brave". It sounds like what Google is about to do with their "ad filter" and "Funding Choices".Jun 12 03:48
DaaemonFCBrave had no chance. Google can boil the frog. Introduce user hostile shit a piece at a time and people will sit there and take it.Jun 12 03:48
DaaemonFCIf Widevine, Funding Choices, and booting ad blockers out of the Chrome Web Store happened at the same time, people might have noticed.Jun 12 03:49
DaaemonFCUnfortunately, people are so used to being pissed on that they barely notice it anymore.Jun 12 03:49
DaaemonFCWindows 10 is one giant piece of malware and people use it.Jun 12 03:50
DaaemonFCWhat's one more layer of malware?Jun 12 03:50
DaaemonFCHmm, my media player is playing Angry Chair by Alice in Chains.Jun 12 03:56
DaaemonFCI think of Ballmer whenever I hear this.Jun 12 03:56
DaaemonFCHe managed to destroy Microsoft as a company even if people don't realize it yet.Jun 12 03:57
DaaemonFCHe could not see five feet in front of him.Jun 12 03:57
DaaemonFCMinceR, I looked into ZFS on Ubuntu.Jun 12 03:59
DaaemonFCApparently, they broke it again.Jun 12 04:00
DaaemonFCThe Wiki says not to try to install Ubuntu 17.04 to ZFS.Jun 12 04:01
DaaemonFChttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1685528Jun 12 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.launchpad.net | Bug #1685528 “ZFS initramfs mounts dataset explicitly set not to...” : Bugs : zfs-linux package : UbuntuJun 12 04:03
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#FreeBSD -Based #TrueOS Gets New Stable Update, Adds...'Jun 12 04:04
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited 'Gentoo Linux Is Dropping SPARC as a Security...'Jun 12 04:04
DaaemonFC"Somehow the upstream initramfs zfs script got pulled in, which can break the boot process due to some funky mount overruling."Jun 12 04:04
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#ParrotSecurity OS Ethical Hacking Distro Considers Ditching #Debian...'Jun 12 04:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874175754396991488Jun 12 04:07
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers https://t.co/8wr0x8GDNQJun 12 04:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #windows #backdoorJun 12 04:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 12 04:07
TweetTuxMachines                 #https #intelJun 12 04:07
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/8wr0x8GDNQ #microsoft #windows #backdoor #https #intel'Jun 12 04:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874178268286595072Jun 12 04:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #FOSS and #eGov in #Europe https://t.co/bNKsvcol2iJun 12 04:16
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #eu #freesw #sk #slovakia #italyJun 12 04:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FOSS and eGov in Europe | Tux MachinesJun 12 04:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #uk #gds sharingJun 12 04:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FOSS and #eGov in #Europe https://t.co/bNKsvcol2i #eu #freesw...'Jun 12 04:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874178865429704704Jun 12 04:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Older #FSF / #GNU / #GPL News https://t.co/cRRzdsGdykJun 12 04:19
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 12 04:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Older FSF/GNU/GPL News | Tux MachinesJun 12 04:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#FreeBSD -Based #TrueOS Gets New Stable Update, Adds...'Jun 12 04:20
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#ParrotSecurity OS Ethical Hacking Distro Considers Ditching #Debian...'Jun 12 04:20
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Gentoo Linux Is Dropping SPARC as a Security...'Jun 12 04:20
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Our possibly next Prime Minister @jeremycorbyn ought...'Jun 12 04:20
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Our possibly next Prime Minister...'Jun 12 04:20
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Older #FSF / #GNU / #GPL News https://t.co/cRRzdsGdyk'Jun 12 04:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874180528290836480Jun 12 04:25
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/GqPQTnhdCqJun 12 04:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw #lullaby #librem #purismJun 12 04:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #kodi #dgplug #bsd #microsoft #gnu #linuxJun 12 04:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux MachinesJun 12 04:25
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/GqPQTnhdCq #freesw #lullaby #librem #purism #kodi...'Jun 12 04:26
*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited 'Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/GqPQTnhdCq #freesw #lullaby #librem #purism #kodi...'Jun 12 04:28
TweetTuxMachines@Thinkfoundation  https://twitter.com/Thinkfoundation/status/874181587608514562Jun 12 04:33
TweetTuxMachines                 The latest The THINK! Daily! https://t.co/Up6sA039WxJun 12 04:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (paper.li) Thanks to @Anandstweets @tuxmachinesJun 12 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | The THINK! DailyJun 12 04:33
TweetTuxMachines                 @DaveAMontez #opengov #ict4dJun 12 04:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874182714383106048Jun 12 04:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Browsers: #Chrome 61, #Mozilla Against #SoftwarePatents,Jun 12 04:35
TweetTuxMachines                 #Firefox Photon, and #Tor 7.0 https://t.co/aAqH7xc2H8Jun 12 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Browsers: Chrome 61, Mozilla Against Software Patents, Firefox Photon, and Tor 7.0 | Tux MachinesJun 12 04:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #www #swpats #anonymityJun 12 04:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Browsers: #Chrome 61, #Mozilla Against #SoftwarePatents, #Firefox Photon,...'Jun 12 04:35
DaaemonFCI might try out XFCE in Fedora.Jun 12 04:39
DaaemonFCGNOME seems to be a little piggish.Jun 12 04:40
*TweetTuxMachines @StayBeauti_ful retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Browsers: #Chrome 61, #Mozilla Against #SoftwarePatents, #Firefox Photon,...'Jun 12 04:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874185138418065408Jun 12 04:44
TweetTuxMachines                 More #Android Leftovers  https://t.co/fUEvz8unDkJun 12 04:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)  #RaspAnd #androido and #btrfs inJun 12 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 12 04:45
TweetTuxMachines                 AndroidJun 12 04:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More #Android Leftovers https://t.co/fUEvz8unDk #RaspAnd #androido...'Jun 12 04:45
*TweetTuxMachines @CGS_Computers retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Browsers: #Chrome 61, #Mozilla Against #SoftwarePatents, #Firefox Photon,...'Jun 12 04:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874186386517106693Jun 12 04:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: #Ubuntu and #Debian https://t.co/gByhrDPgujJun 12 04:50
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #canonical #freeswJun 12 04:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu and Debian | Tux MachinesJun 12 04:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Leftovers: #Ubuntu and #Debian https://t.co/gByhrDPguj #gnu #linux #canonical...'Jun 12 04:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874187270529482752Jun 12 04:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat Financial News and Fedora/Flock PreparationsJun 12 04:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874187411269443584Jun 12 04:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat Financial News and Fedora/Flock PreparationsJun 12 04:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/GMQ4gSjHv0 (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhatJun 12 04:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #flock #fedora #gnu #linuxJun 12 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Financial News and Fedora/Flock Preparations | Tux MachinesJun 12 04:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat Financial News and Fedora/Flock Preparations https://t.co/GMQ4gSjHv0...'Jun 12 04:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874189415329017856Jun 12 05:01
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/xWHuOSY3uJJun 12 05:01
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto  #unix #gnu #linuxJun 12 05:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874189941022089216Jun 12 05:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/h8AyB1xV7aJun 12 05:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #games #gnu #linux #gamingJun 12 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesJun 12 05:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat Financial News and Fedora/Flock Preparations https://t.co/GMQ4gSjHv0...'Jun 12 05:04
*TweetTuxMachines @rbanffy favourited 'Red Hat Financial News and Fedora/Flock Preparations https://t.co/GMQ4gSjHv0...'Jun 12 05:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874191104463310848Jun 12 05:06
TweetTuxMachines                 today's #tuxmachines leftovers https://t.co/BOMXDz3vHXJun 12 05:06
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 12 05:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 12 05:06
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/xWHuOSY3uJ #howto #unix #gnu #linux'Jun 12 05:06
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/h8AyB1xV7a #games #gnu #linux #gaming'Jun 12 05:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874191770791407616Jun 12 05:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Links 12/6/2017: Linux 4.12RC5, KDE Frameworks 5.35.0,Jun 12 05:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Tanglu 4 https://t.co/KTKQLvZBOd (techrights.org)Jun 12 05:09
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's #tuxmachines leftovers https://t.co/BOMXDz3vHX'Jun 12 05:23
*TweetTuxMachines @Pyrokitteh favourited 'Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/GqPQTnhdCq #freesw #lullaby #librem #purism #kodi...'Jun 12 05:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux MachinesJun 12 05:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/874199357607882752Jun 12 06:00
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Links 12/6/2017: Linux 4.12RC5, KDE Frameworks 5.35.0,Jun 12 06:00
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Tanglu 4 https://t.co/KTKQLvZBOd (techrights.org)Jun 12 06:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874204744725778433Jun 12 06:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Getting started with #Go https://t.co/D7OqmU1RpZJun 12 06:01
TweetTuxMachines                 (opensource.com) #golang #google #programmingJun 12 06:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Getting started with Go | Opensource.comJun 12 06:01
*TweetTuxMachines @cool_golang retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Getting started with #Go https://t.co/D7OqmU1RpZ #golang #google #programming'Jun 12 06:02
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Getting started with #Go https://t.co/D7OqmU1RpZ #golang #google #programming'Jun 12 06:13
*TweetTuxMachines @matias_baruch favourited 'Getting started with #Go https://t.co/D7OqmU1RpZ #golang #google #programming'Jun 12 06:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874208270516465666Jun 12 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #Microsoft raises concerns on Government’s open sourceJun 12 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 push in GeM https://t.co/ezLx6SoVc1 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 12 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft raises concerns on Government’s open source push in GeM | Tux MachinesJun 12 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #indiaJun 12 06:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Microsoft raises concerns on Government’s open source push...'Jun 12 06:17
*TweetTuxMachines @lauramorelliphd favourited '#FOSS and #eGov in #Europe https://t.co/bNKsvcol2i #eu #freesw...'Jun 12 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FOSS and eGov in Europe | Tux MachinesJun 12 06:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/4thdoctor_scarf/status/874209502807162880Jun 12 06:21
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #ParrotSecurity OS Ethical Hacking Distro ConsidersJun 12 06:21
TweetTuxMachines @4thdoctor_scarf  Ditching #Debian for #Devuan https://t.co/HK01st50FjJun 12 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Parrot Security OS Ethical Hacking Distro Considers Ditching Debian for Devuan | Tux MachinesJun 12 06:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #security #gnu #linux #systemdJun 12 06:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874217183689281537Jun 12 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/rLlrteShy3Jun 12 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #google #linux #androidoJun 12 06:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 12 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #openplus #chromeJun 12 06:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/rLlrteShy3 #android #google #linux #androido #openplus...'Jun 12 06:52
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/rLlrteShy3 #android #google #linux #androido #openplus...'Jun 12 06:54
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump @foxandfriends Quick! Buy her stuff. Daddy approves....'Jun 12 06:59
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump @foxandfriends Quick! Buy her stuff....'Jun 12 07:10
oiaohmhttp://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/startup/microsoft-raises-concerns-on-governments-open-source-push-in-gem-2299293.html  Now that is a read and a half.Jun 12 07:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft raises concerns on Government’s open source push in GeM - Moneycontrol.comJun 12 07:19
*TweetTuxMachines @luismoran favourited 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/rLlrteShy3 #android #google #linux #androido #openplus...'Jun 12 07:40
cubexyzhorseshitJun 12 07:41
cubexyzM$ isn't one of the biggest contributors to "open source"Jun 12 07:42
cubexyzthey are the biggest closed source dog of them allJun 12 07:43
cubexyzavoid using microsoft products, that's the best advice I can giveJun 12 07:44
cubexyz" But when you change the user-agent string of your browser on Linux to match IE or Edge, suddenly OneDrive's web code runs fine"Jun 12 07:45
cubexyzsee? same horseshit as alwaysJun 12 07:45
oiaohmcubexyz: to be correct its statement is part true over 1billion dollars a year goes into security auditing software.Jun 12 07:46
oiaohmcubexyz: Microsoft does in fact invest a lot in open source but its open source for their own benefit.Jun 12 07:47
cubexyzon cyber security, that doesn't necessarily mean open sourceJun 12 07:49
oiaohmcubexyz: its into a set of join USA government and industry projects that are open source.Jun 12 07:50
oiaohmcubexyz: this is because the tools have to be peer reviewed.Jun 12 07:50
oiaohmcubexyz: Microsoft cannot trust their own staff neither can any of the other companies involved.Jun 12 07:51
oiaohmcubexyz: making closed source software without sold cybersecurity is not going to work right if other parties can break in and steal the source code.Jun 12 07:52
oiaohmcubexyz: think of it this way Microsoft does not trust it own security software as a black box yet it sells closed source software.   Now this is really the pot calling the kettle black right.Jun 12 07:56
MinceRm$ never cared about security, thoughJun 12 07:59
oiaohmMinceR: when it comes to their own data yes.Jun 12 08:00
MinceRor anyone'sJun 12 08:01
oiaohmMinceR: Ie Microsoft cares about security when it there own stuff.   When it anyone else they don't give a stuff.Jun 12 08:01
oiaohmMinceR: and that is backed by where Microsoft invests the money.Jun 12 08:01
MinceRthen they're just incompetentJun 12 08:02
cubexyzM$ cares about lock-in and $$$Jun 12 08:02
oiaohmMinceR: 1 billion dollars in cybersecurity that does not end up shipped in any of their own products.Jun 12 08:02
oiaohmcubexyz: yes cybersecurity to protect their $$$Jun 12 08:02
cubexyzwhat microsoft did to scanners and printers was criminalJun 12 08:03
cubexyzinfluencing harware like thatJun 12 08:03
cubexyzI don't recall DEC doing thatJun 12 08:03
cubexyzhardwareJun 12 08:03
cubexyzthen this secure boot crap happendJun 12 08:04
MinceRoiaohm: yeah, they love wasting money and bragging about itJun 12 08:05
MinceRand at the end their products and services are still all atrociousJun 12 08:05
cubexyzwhen I heard people say "oh, it's time for a giant windows 10 update, I can't use my computer for hours" I knew that was the endJun 12 08:06
oiaohmMinceR: if they sold proper solid products where would be the upgrade treadmill.Jun 12 08:06
cubexyzpeople _expect_ things to be shitty nowJun 12 08:06
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/jNf8pa8.png   (html: https://imgur.com/jNf8pa8 )Jun 12 08:06
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MinceRoiaohm: dunno, but sounds like it's worth a tryJun 12 08:07
MinceRoiaohm: i have yet to see perfect products on that scale.Jun 12 08:07
oiaohmMinceR: some of the mil grade drone control software.   Its insanely bug free.Jun 12 08:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/luismoran/status/874229949724594176Jun 12 08:18
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Android Leftovers https://t.co/rLlrteShy3Jun 12 08:18
TweetTuxMachines @luismoran      (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #google #linux #androidoJun 12 08:18
TweetTuxMachines                 #openplus #chromeJun 12 08:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 12 08:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874239305224519681Jun 12 08:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Review: The 10.5-inch iPad Pro is much more “pro” thanJun 12 08:18
TweetTuxMachines                 what it replaces https://t.co/sV8Q4EHmpoJun 12 08:18
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux inside.Jun 12 08:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: The 10.5-inch iPad Pro is much more “pro” than what it replaces | Tux MachinesJun 12 08:18
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Review: The 10.5-inch iPad Pro is much more...'Jun 12 08:24
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks As of the 9th of June, for...'Jun 12 08:24
XRevan86https://youtu.be/7N9c0L5drak https://youtu.be/HPJtF5yGx6AJun 12 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Задержания на Марсовом поле 12 июня - YouTubeJun 12 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Около 300 человек уже задержаны в Петербурге на Марсовом поле - YouTubeJun 12 08:38
XRevan86Today's an interesting day in Russia, as predicted.Jun 12 08:39
XRevan86The anti-corruption meeting on the Field of Mars in St. Petersburg.Jun 12 08:40
MinceRgovernment deceit is interesting? :>Jun 12 08:42
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe I'm biased :)Jun 12 08:43
MinceR:)Jun 12 08:43
XRevan86If I would've been a better citizen, I'd be there, on the Field of Mars.Jun 12 08:43
XRevan86Anyway, this is the biggest anti-institutional event in Russia since 2011Jun 12 08:44
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XRevan86And the regime is more concerned than ever before.Jun 12 08:45
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XRevan86The leader of this whole thing Aleksey Navalny was apprehended at the entry of his apartment earlier today.Jun 12 08:48
MinceRoh, a protestJun 12 08:50
MinceRi wonder how many people putler will have killedJun 12 08:50
XRevan86s/meeting/protest/ oops :)Jun 12 08:50
XRevan86MinceR: killed?…Jun 12 08:51
XRevan86Today's Russia Day, BTW.Jun 12 08:53
XRevan86A person I know just came from the protest (on the Field of Mars), he says everything went relatively calm except for people who were trying to get on the monument.Jun 12 09:07
XRevan86I guess it's better to wait for better, more complete, news about the whole thing…Jun 12 09:08
XRevan86instead of Breaking News :)Jun 12 09:08
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schestowitzXRevan86: what do you make of the famous arrest today?Jun 12 14:05
schestowitzI don't trust the BBC much...Jun 12 14:05
XRevan86schestowitz: It was kind of expected.Jun 12 14:12
XRevan86Not the first time/Jun 12 14:13
XRevan86What does BBC write about it?Jun 12 14:13
XRevan86If I understood it right, the government sanctioned the demonstration on Sakharova prospect but sound system providers refused to provide for the demostration, saying they are being threatenedJun 12 14:15
XRevan86so Navalny decided to make the demonstration on a better, but not santioned place – Tverskaya street.Jun 12 14:15
XRevan86So he was probably taken by attempting to make an unsanctioned demostration, which apparently counts as extremism %)Jun 12 14:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874330405486211072Jun 12 14:20
TweetTuxMachines                 #Samsung and #Tizen / #Android https://t.co/oMP0ucoc6mJun 12 14:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tizenexperts.com) #linuxJun 12 14:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Mobile Navigator App Released for Tizen-based Samsung Z1, Z2, Z3 and Z4 - Tizen ExpertsJun 12 14:20
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Samsung and #Tizen / #Android https://t.co/oMP0ucoc6m #linux'Jun 12 14:20
cubexyzoh dear... 1/3 of world overweightJun 12 14:29
*XRevan86 reads: for an administrative punishment by laws "Secondary violation of demonstration organisation rules" and "Disobidience of lawful orders of a police officer"Jun 12 14:30
XRevan86for that Navalny will either get a fine of 20 000 rubles, mandatory labour for 40 hours or 10 days arrestJun 12 14:31
XRevan86cubexyz: What is?Jun 12 14:32
XRevan86https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCHTAwVWsAAlwFY.jpg and here's the photo of the arrest.Jun 12 14:34
MinceRhttp://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/se-1.jpgJun 12 14:36
cubexyza third of the population of humans on earth are fat :)Jun 12 14:37
XRevan86cubexyz: Huh, I didn't realise there are so many first world peopleJun 12 14:38
MinceRpatience, they're working on itJun 12 14:39
XRevan86And… a third?Jun 12 14:40
XRevan86When I walk on streets, I barely see anyJun 12 14:40
XRevan86How fat are the UK and US really?Jun 12 14:41
MinceRhere's that photo in higher resolution: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCHTAwVWsAAlwFY.jpg:origJun 12 14:42
MinceRthe roof of that tiny building is really weirdJun 12 14:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/verfassungklage/status/874330528723480576Jun 12 14:43
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden Trump is busy shredding the Constitution while...'Jun 12 14:43
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden @NatVasilyevaAP @max_katz Trump find authoritarianism attractive. Just...'Jun 12 14:43
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XRevan86MinceR: Huh, now that you mentioned it, WTF is that building?Jun 12 14:43
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Educate yourself, Donnie. I know it's hard...'Jun 12 14:43
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cubexyzSamoa, Tonga and Kiribati are 80% overweightJun 12 14:44
MinceRXRevan86: i guess it's a public toiletJun 12 14:44
MinceRpossibly for a single person at a timeJun 12 14:44
cubexyzhttp://www.worldatlas.com/articles/29-most-obese-countries-in-the-world.htmlJun 12 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-29 Most Obese Countries In The World - WorldAtlas.com [ http://ur1.ca/qzqfs ]Jun 12 14:44
XRevan86MinceR: Not a logical place for thatJun 12 14:45
XRevan86Most of the people passing that building by would be able to use the loo at their own homes because are living in the local building.Jun 12 14:46
cubexyzevidently there's tons of fast food places in pacific island nations Jun 12 14:46
MinceRXRevan86: entrance to FSB black siteJun 12 14:47
MinceR...disguised as public toiletJun 12 14:47
XRevan86or a solitary confinement conviniently placed right next to the place Navalny lives inJun 12 14:49
XRevan86"in times of uncertainty place your Navalny in the box until the police officers arrive"Jun 12 14:50
MinceRhttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/28/bofh_2017_episode_6/Jun 12 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | BOFH: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back • The RegisterJun 12 14:50
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/Lc7pesU.jpgJun 12 15:04
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump Dark humour on dark energy...'Jun 12 15:04
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TweetTuxMachines                 #LinuxMint 18.2 “Sonya” Xfce – BETA ReleaseJun 12 15:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 18.2 “Sonya” Xfce – BETA Release | Tux MachinesJun 12 15:05
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MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfTPlsIq7d0Jun 12 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Happy Tree Friends - Friday the 13th - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/qzqk5 ]Jun 12 15:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump @Cabinet You have become another billionaire-approved billionaire....'Jun 12 17:16
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TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/ovvWSEknqfJun 12 17:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #google #linuxJun 12 17:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 12 17:37
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/ovvWSEknqf #android #google #linux'Jun 12 17:40
*TweetTuxMachines @corbyn_man retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/ovvWSEknqf #android #google #linux'Jun 12 17:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874381733134827520Jun 12 17:44
TweetTuxMachines                 No lack of Linux IoT projects https://t.co/pQKYAGlBLVJun 12 17:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux #iot #device #gnu #sbcJun 12 17:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | No lack of Linux IoT projects | Tux MachinesJun 12 17:44
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'No lack of Linux IoT projects https://t.co/pQKYAGlBLV #linux...'Jun 12 17:45
XRevan86https://newsru.com/russia/12jun2017/navalny_sud.html Navalny will get a month of an administrative arrest.Jun 12 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NEWSru.com :: Суд вынес приговор Алексею НавальномуJun 12 17:46
*TweetTuxMachines @roomeezon retweeted @tuxmachines: 'No lack of Linux IoT projects https://t.co/pQKYAGlBLV #linux...'Jun 12 17:46
*TweetTuxMachines @corbyn_man retweeted @tuxmachines: 'No lack of Linux IoT projects https://t.co/pQKYAGlBLV #linux...'Jun 12 17:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'No lack of Linux IoT projects https://t.co/pQKYAGlBLV #linux...'Jun 12 17:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874382982479532036Jun 12 17:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Open source RF signal generator features WiFiJun 12 17:49
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/BDiBL3mUyU (www.tuxmachines.org) #wifiJun 12 17:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #freesw #arduiuno #multiloop #ERASynthJun 12 17:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source RF signal generator features WiFi | Tux MachinesJun 12 17:49
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Open source RF signal generator features WiFi https://t.co/BDiBL3mUyU...'Jun 12 17:49
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TweetTuxMachines                 Makers of the $249 #Litebook Linux laptop launchJun 12 17:58
TweetTuxMachines                 mini-desktop and a bigger (and pricier) laptopJun 12 17:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Makers of the $249 Litebook Linux laptop launch mini-desktop and a bigger (and pricier) laptop | Tux MachinesJun 12 17:58
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Makers of the $249 #Litebook Linux laptop launch...'Jun 12 17:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874385598559203330Jun 12 18:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #benchmark of #macOS 10.12.5 vs. #Ubuntu 17.04 vs.Jun 12 18:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #ClearLinux On A Mac Mini https://t.co/q2tqH6twh4Jun 12 18:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 12 18:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | macOS 10.12.5 vs. Ubuntu 17.04 vs. Clear Linux On A Mac Mini | Tux MachinesJun 12 18:00
*TweetTuxMachines @kaddourkardio favourited 'Makers of the $249 #Litebook Linux laptop launch...'Jun 12 18:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874387077022056448Jun 12 18:05
TweetTuxMachines                 We can now detect recurrent events in #GNOMECalendarJun 12 18:05
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/FgaE7I2Jfv (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 12 18:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | We can now detect recurrent events in GNOME Calendar | Tux MachinesJun 12 18:05
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'We can now detect recurrent events in #GNOMECalendar...'Jun 12 18:09
*TweetTuxMachines @corbyn_man favourited 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/ovvWSEknqf #android #google #linux'Jun 12 18:13
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Tanglu 4 #GNU #Linux Distro Released with #UEFI Support,Jun 12 18:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #KDE #Plasma 5.8 LTS Desktop https://t.co/3dey9zmq0BJun 12 18:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 12 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tanglu 4 GNU/Linux Distro Released with UEFI Support, KDE Plasma 5.8 LTS Desktop | Tux MachinesJun 12 18:14
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Tanglu 4 #GNU #Linux Distro Released with #UEFI...'Jun 12 18:15
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TweetTuxMachines                 Zorin OS 12 Lite  Adopts #Xfce as Default DesktopJun 12 18:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Environment Instead of #LXDE https://t.co/HS73NzpNpJJun 12 18:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 12 Lite Beta Adopts Xfce as Default Desktop Environment Instead of LXDE | Tux MachinesJun 12 18:16
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Zorin OS 12 Lite Adopts #Xfce as...'Jun 12 18:21
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TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu Desktop – GNOME Extensions poll resultsJun 12 18:23
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/O9b5eWtDQ1 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnomeJun 12 18:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Desktop – GNOME Extensions poll results | Tux MachinesJun 12 18:23
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu Desktop – GNOME Extensions poll results https://t.co/O9b5eWtDQ1...'Jun 12 18:24
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cubexyzok, if you are running a computer older than 2005 you don't have Intel MEJun 12 19:16
cubexyzprobably up to 2007 is also safeJun 12 19:16
cubexyzit wasn't until 2005 that intel started the funny business with ethernet controllersJun 12 19:17
cubexyzI'm not clear on how it can intercept TCP/IP traffic when the computer is suspendedJun 12 19:17
oiaohmcubexyz: 2005 and before it could be hiding in a network cardJun 12 19:25
oiaohmcubexyz: controller that could keybord video mouse appears 2001.Jun 12 19:26
oiaohmcubexyz: network controllers that should have been.Jun 12 19:26
cubexyzthat sounds more like a KVM switchJun 12 19:28
cubexyzor KVM over IP (which I definitely do not have)Jun 12 19:29
oiaohmcubexyz: what I am refering to is network cards.Jun 12 19:30
cubexyzgive me some examplesJun 12 19:31
oiaohmThe most powerful example is https://www.uxd.com/phdpci2.shtmlJun 12 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.uxd.com | P.H.D. PCI 2 - Professional Hardware Diagnostics PCIJun 12 19:31
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oiaohmIt scary how much can be controlled from PCI bus back into system.Jun 12 19:32
oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input%E2%80%93output_memory_management_unit in the chipset before vt-d your PCI bus can do what ever it likes.Jun 12 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Input–output memory management unit - WikipediaJun 12 19:35
oiaohmcubexyz: so from 1992 until the introduction of vt-d a ME like chip could be hidden in any PCI card with a powerful enough cpu.Jun 12 19:36
oiaohmcubexyz: even before PCI there were major bus security issues.Jun 12 19:37
oiaohmcubexyz: basically general PC was not designed for security.Jun 12 19:38
cubexyzbefore vt-d?Jun 12 19:41
MinceRand during and after vt-dJun 12 19:43
MinceRat least you can remove PCI cards and use the system without a particular cardJun 12 19:43
cubexyzoh, I get itJun 12 19:46
cubexyz"Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O"Jun 12 19:46
cubexyzwhen did that first appear?Jun 12 19:48
cubexyzseems to be a x86 virtualization thingJun 12 19:49
MinceRafter plain vt-xJun 12 19:50
cubexyzok, so Pentium 4 era... around 2005Jun 12 19:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/874397713856700422Jun 12 19:54
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TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 12 19:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu & UKUI desktop - Not a good idea | Tux MachinesJun 12 19:54
cubexyzdon't think I have thatJun 12 19:54
oiaohm2007 is when vt-d first appears.Jun 12 19:54
oiaohmcubexyz: when you get old enough to avoid me in the motherboard you are also old enough that you don't have protection from pci cards.Jun 12 19:55
oiaohmcubexyz: basically stuffed either way.Jun 12 19:55
oiaohmcubexyz: remember the one with firewire card accessing all of memory.Jun 12 19:56
cubexyzso what computer should I use? Jun 12 19:56
oiaohmhttps://github.com/carmaa/inception  open source version of memory mugging.Jun 12 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - carmaa/inception: Inception is a physical memory manipulation and hacking tool exploiting PCI-based DMA. The tool can attack over FireWire, Thunderbolt, ExpressCard, PC Card and any other PCI/PCIe interfaces.Jun 12 19:57
oiaohmcubexyz: I don't have a recommendation.   PC desktop/Server systems I have looked at have major design issues.Jun 12 19:58
oiaohmEven arm devices in phones and the like can be lacking vt-d stuff this is how come the broadcom wifi attack recently against iphone and many android devices worked so well.Jun 12 19:59
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*TweetTuxMachines @rfc5984 favourited '#benchmark of #macOS 10.12.5 vs. #Ubuntu 17.04 vs....'Jun 12 21:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/sopanx/status/874472265408106496Jun 12 23:47
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Zorin OS 12 Lite  Adopts #Xfce as Default DesktopJun 12 23:47
TweetTuxMachines @sopanx         Environment Instead of #LXDE https://t.co/HS73NzpNpJJun 12 23:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #zorin #zorinos #russia #gnu #linuxJun 12 23:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 12 Lite Beta Adopts Xfce as Default Desktop Environment Instead of LXDE | Tux MachinesJun 12 23:47
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DaaemonFChttps://blogs.igalia.com/carlosgc/2017/03/20/webkitgtk-2-16/Jun 12 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.igalia.com | WebKitGTK+ 2.16 | Carlos Garcia CamposJun 12 23:54
DaaemonFC"The overlay can be shown/hidden by pressing CTRL+Shit+G."Jun 12 23:55
DaaemonFC*giggles*Jun 12 23:55
*TweetTuxMachines @sopanx favourited '#Tanglu 4 #GNU #Linux Distro Released with #UEFI...'Jun 13 00:14
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/plRwrlT.pngJun 13 01:07
MinceRi don't have a Shit key :(Jun 13 01:07
MinceR12 072021 < MinceR> 12 012605 < DaaemonFC> MinceR, Pale Moon is probably unmanageable anyway.Jun 13 01:08
MinceR12 072024 < MinceR> so's failfoxJun 13 01:08
MinceR12 072100 < MinceR> mozilla just keeps making it worse and worseJun 13 01:08
MinceRand ZFS is probably just as illegal on Linux as ever :>Jun 13 01:08
DaaemonFCMinceR, If they're lucky, Oracle won't bother to sue them over it.Jun 13 01:13
DaaemonFCTheir lawyers are using the same argument that proprietary driver vendors do.Jun 13 01:14
MinceRmost of them don't sue users of their software, thoughJun 13 01:16
schestowitzmorning...Jun 13 01:19
MinceRmoaningJun 13 01:22
schestowitzthat's what she didJun 13 01:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874497002553438208Jun 13 01:23
TweetTuxMachines                 Games: #OculusRift CV1 on #GNU #Linux, #Geneshift, TheJun 13 01:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #UndergroundKing, #XCOM 2 and MoreJun 13 01:23
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/XSLqllxU0b (www.tuxmachines.org) #gamesJun 13 01:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #gamingJun 13 01:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Oculus Rift CV1 on GNU/Linux, Geneshift, The Underground King, XCOM 2 and More | Tux MachinesJun 13 01:23
MinceR:)Jun 13 01:23
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Games: #OculusRift CV1 on #GNU #Linux, #Geneshift, The...'Jun 13 01:46
*TweetTuxMachines @PharaohSteve favourited 'Games: #OculusRift CV1 on #GNU #Linux, #Geneshift, The...'Jun 13 01:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874504489637642240Jun 13 01:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #Ubuntu #Graphics and #Snappy ImprovementsJun 13 01:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/fi9Tbs1jVX (www.tuxmachines.org) #snapJun 13 01:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #canonical #gnu #linuxJun 13 01:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Graphics and Snappy Improvements | Tux MachinesJun 13 01:51
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Ubuntu #Graphics and #Snappy Improvements https://t.co/fi9Tbs1jVX #snap #canonical...'Jun 13 01:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Ubuntu #Graphics and #Snappy Improvements https://t.co/fi9Tbs1jVX #snap #canonical...'Jun 13 02:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874507828010119169Jun 13 02:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux in Cars https://t.co/WqF94tvWjzJun 13 02:06
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #tesla #toyotaJun 13 02:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux in Cars | Tux MachinesJun 13 02:06
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Linux in Cars https://t.co/WqF94tvWjz #tesla #toyota'Jun 13 02:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874508431960539136Jun 13 02:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Windows Protocols (Samba) and CryptocurrencyJun 13 02:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/i6r3x88oxt (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoftJun 13 02:09
TweetTuxMachines                 #windows #smb #nsa #samba #security #wannacryJun 13 02:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Windows Protocols (Samba) and Cryptocurrency | Tux MachinesJun 13 02:09
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Windows Protocols (Samba) and Cryptocurrency https://t.co/i6r3x88oxt #microsoft #windows...'Jun 13 02:10
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TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/zfNHMhPJfHJun 13 02:12
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #unix #gnu #linuxJun 13 02:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874510422774362112Jun 13 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Indians Migrate to #GNU #Linux in the Wake of #WannaCryJun 13 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/B34GhbLooT (www.tuxmachines.org) #indiaJun 13 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #ThiruvananthapuramJun 13 02:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Indians Migrate to #GNU #Linux in the Wake...'Jun 13 02:22
DaaemonFChttps://www.freetype.org/patents.htmlJun 13 02:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freetype.org | FreeType and PatentsJun 13 02:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874512314556403712Jun 13 02:24
TweetTuxMachines                 #ExtonOS Linux Is Now Based on #Ubuntu 17.04, Ships withJun 13 02:24
TweetTuxMachines                 #MATE 1.18 and Linux 4.11 https://t.co/uMOUnv5Rz0Jun 13 02:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 13 02:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Exton|OS Linux Is Now Based on Ubuntu 17.04, Ships with MATE 1.18 and Linux 4.11 | Tux MachinesJun 13 02:24
DaaemonFCSteve Gibson says that the MS Cleartype patents are invalid, but that's the same guy that got hacked by a twelve year old and wrote an essay about it.Jun 13 02:24
MinceRcleartype sucks ass anywayJun 13 02:25
MinceRunavoidable colorful fringes everywhereJun 13 02:26
DaaemonFCCleartype patents apparently expire in 2019 since they were approved in 1999.Jun 13 02:28
DaaemonFCMinceR, I use the freetype-freeworld package on Fedora and configure it to use the patented subpixel rendering.Jun 13 02:30
DaaemonFCIt looks a lot better than Cleartype.Jun 13 02:30
MinceRi disable subpixel hintingJun 13 02:30
MinceRit not only looks flawless as it is, but stays that way even when zoomedJun 13 02:31
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#ExtonOS Linux Is Now Based on #Ubuntu 17.04,...'Jun 13 02:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874515768188260355Jun 13 02:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #PartedMagic Disk Partitioning Live CD Updated with LinuxJun 13 02:36
TweetTuxMachines                 4.11.4, ZFS on Linux https://t.co/nwvHZ7QjGUJun 13 02:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 13 02:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Parted Magic Disk Partitioning Live CD Updated with Linux 4.11.4, ZFS on Linux | Tux MachinesJun 13 02:37
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oiaohmMinceR: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/blob/master/COPYRIGHT   zfs kernel driver on Linux is a define of a legal head ache.   Some place it will be legal other places not so much.Jun 13 02:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zfs/COPYRIGHT at master · zfsonlinux/zfs · GitHubJun 13 02:50
oiaohmMinceR: zfs kernel module depending on the not derivative work to stand and this also means it contains duplication to parts the Linux kernel has other solutions to.Jun 13 02:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#PartedMagic Disk Partitioning Live CD Updated with Linux...'Jun 13 03:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874523607111802880Jun 13 03:09
TweetTuxMachines                 #WordPress 4.8 Overview and Working From HomeJun 13 03:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/EVOuMQ9eJG (www.tuxmachines.org) #cmsJun 13 03:09
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswJun 13 03:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress 4.8 Overview and Working From Home | Tux MachinesJun 13 03:09
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#WordPress 4.8 Overview and Working From Home https://t.co/EVOuMQ9eJG...'Jun 13 03:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/DigestWordpress/status/874535182333640706Jun 13 03:59
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #WordPress 4.8 Overview and Working From HomeJun 13 03:59
TweetTuxMachines @DigestWordpress  https://t.co/EVOuMQ9eJG (www.tuxmachines.org) #cmsJun 13 03:59
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswJun 13 03:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874536643298037760Jun 13 04:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 Beta now availableJun 13 04:00
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/oFpdSL6bIE (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhatJun 13 04:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #rhel #gnu #linuxJun 13 04:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 Beta now available | Tux MachinesJun 13 04:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 Beta now available...'Jun 13 04:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874538463646953472Jun 13 04:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Smarter half tiling in #GNOMEShell #MutterJun 13 04:06
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/oS1GEDfeyv (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnome #gnuJun 13 04:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #freeswJun 13 04:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Smarter half tiling in GNOME Shell/Mutter | Tux MachinesJun 13 04:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874538484555546624Jun 13 04:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/AF2V6vyYgAJun 13 04:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #google #bbm #blackberyrJun 13 04:07
TweetTuxMachines                 #androidauto #nokiaJun 13 04:07
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Smarter half tiling in #GNOMEShell #Mutter https://t.co/oS1GEDfeyv #gnome...'Jun 13 04:07
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/AF2V6vyYgA #android #google #bbm #blackberyr #androidauto...'Jun 13 04:10
*TweetTuxMachines @adymitruk favourited 'Indians Migrate to #GNU #Linux in the Wake...'Jun 13 04:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/adymitruk/status/874539331318300672Jun 13 04:11
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Indians Migrate to #GNU #Linux in the Wake of #WannaCryJun 13 04:11
TweetTuxMachines @adymitruk      https://t.co/B34GhbLooT (www.tuxmachines.org) #indiaJun 13 04:11
TweetTuxMachines                 #ThiruvananthapuramJun 13 04:11
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*TweetTuxMachines @SecurityNews6 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Indians Migrate to #GNU #Linux in the Wake...'Jun 13 04:11
*TweetTuxMachines @sectest9 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Indians Migrate to #GNU #Linux in the Wake...'Jun 13 04:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874539855052722177Jun 13 04:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: #Pomodoro, #Stacer, #UDisks, #QtractorJun 13 04:12
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/dvLOONE4n3 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 13 04:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Pomodoro, Stacer, UDisks, Qtractor | Tux MachinesJun 13 04:12
*TweetTuxMachines @InfoSecurity99 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Indians Migrate to #GNU #Linux in the Wake...'Jun 13 04:13
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #Pomodoro, #Stacer, #UDisks, #Qtractor https://t.co/dvLOONE4n3 #freesw'Jun 13 04:31
*TweetTuxMachines @Soundtoxin favourited 'Smarter half tiling in #GNOMEShell #Mutter https://t.co/oS1GEDfeyv #gnome...'Jun 13 04:31
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Smarter half tiling in #GNOMEShell #MutterJun 13 05:26
TweetTuxMachines @Soundtoxin     https://t.co/oS1GEDfeyv (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnome #gnuJun 13 05:26
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #freeswJun 13 05:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @CooksCeramics favourited 'Smarter half tiling in #GNOMEShell #Mutter https://t.co/oS1GEDfeyv #gnome...'Jun 13 06:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump Get off your golden toilet...'Jun 13 06:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Get off your golden toilet bowl, switch...'Jun 13 06:41
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@paKTusa @realDonaldTrump There is a lot more to...'Jun 13 06:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Sedition much? https://t.co/AUr8OPMXpS https://t.co/BoIKYQhFTg'Jun 13 06:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump You should be banned from the US...'Jun 13 06:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874594178466021376Jun 13 07:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Smarter half tiling in #GNOMEShell #MutterJun 13 07:50
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/oS1GEDfeyv (www.tuxmachines.org)  #gnomeJun 13 07:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #freeswJun 13 07:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874594705929113600Jun 13 07:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers https://t.co/lQWRpBXo8sJun 13 07:50
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 13 07:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @sectest9 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/lQWRpBXo8s'Jun 13 07:51
XRevan86> Gnome Pomodoro – A Timer to Help Increase Your ProductivityJun 13 07:54
XRevan86I suddenly want a tomato.Jun 13 07:54
XRevan86not sure how time tracking is related to tomatoesJun 13 07:55
MinceR:)Jun 13 08:09
MinceRit's a method involving what was originally a tomato-shaped kitchen timerJun 13 08:09
MinceRi don't like it because it's rigid as hellJun 13 08:09
XRevan86MinceR: So, the timer's shape was very important to the method's authorJun 13 08:11
MinceRor they were at a loss for a better nameJun 13 08:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/874595061023088641Jun 13 08:31
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schestowitz[12:54] <XRevan86> I suddenly want a tomato.Jun 13 08:32
schestowitz:-)Jun 13 08:32
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump https://t.co/JBWde5pknS'Jun 13 08:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump https://t.co/JBWde5pknS'Jun 13 08:50
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Now at stage 4, Donnie, you are...'Jun 13 08:52
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874610357200990209Jun 13 08:52
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    @realDonaldTrump You watch fake news. That is fake news.Jun 13 08:52
TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines    Your hypocrisy is showing...Jun 13 08:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump By the way, incorrected is not a...'Jun 13 08:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump You watch fake news. That is fake...'Jun 13 08:55
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Remember when Murdoch broke the law by...'Jun 13 08:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump And your family uses your new position...'Jun 13 09:33
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump You never really >created< any jobs. You...'Jun 13 09:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874625240080539648Jun 13 09:52
TweetTuxMachines                 KSA's Prince Sultan University joins Red Hat AcademyJun 13 09:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ahKUScDYyR (www.tuxmachines.org) #ksaJun 13 09:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #saudiArabia #redhat #gnu #linuxJun 13 09:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'KSA's Prince Sultan University joins Red Hat Academy...'Jun 13 09:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874625553998938112Jun 13 09:55
TweetTuxMachines                 5 Must-Have Security Tools for Your Linux PCJun 13 09:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/zRxvXMRHqv (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 13 09:55
TweetTuxMachines                 #securityJun 13 09:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Must-Have Security Tools for Your Linux PC | Tux MachinesJun 13 09:55
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '5 Must-Have Security Tools for Your Linux PC...'Jun 13 09:55
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'KSA's Prince Sultan University joins Red Hat Academy...'Jun 13 09:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874627020801572865Jun 13 09:58
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/l1GP1edqkYJun 13 09:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #unix #gnu #linuxJun 13 09:59
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump You seriously blame your own incompetence on...'Jun 13 09:59
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump You seriously blame your own...'Jun 13 10:00
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump You just try to privatise "life and...'Jun 13 10:00
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump You just try to privatise...'Jun 13 10:00
*TweetTuxMachines @sopanx favourited '#ExtonOS Linux Is Now Based on #Ubuntu 17.04,...'Jun 13 10:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/l1GP1edqkY #howto #unix #gnu #linux'Jun 13 10:03
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited 'today's howtos https://t.co/l1GP1edqkY #howto #unix #gnu #linux'Jun 13 10:03
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @tuxmachines: today's howtos https://t.co/l1GP1edqkY #howto #unix #gnu...'Jun 13 10:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874628724175581186Jun 13 10:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Tizen News/Apps https://t.co/dPkIcUzMEdJun 13 10:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #tizen #tizenos #samsung #linuxJun 13 10:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen News/Apps | Tux MachinesJun 13 10:07
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Tizen News/Apps https://t.co/dPkIcUzMEd #tizen #tizenos #samsung #linux'Jun 13 10:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874630209298989057Jun 13 10:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat News https://t.co/8R7zkZxcS8Jun 13 10:13
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhat #gnu #linux #rackspaceJun 13 10:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux MachinesJun 13 10:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874630770677166080Jun 13 10:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #GNOME and #GTK News https://t.co/61H4vbl5FkJun 13 10:14
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #freeswJun 13 10:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME and GTK News | Tux MachinesJun 13 10:14
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat News https://t.co/8R7zkZxcS8 #redhat #gnu #linux #rackspace'Jun 13 10:14
*TweetTuxMachines @corbyn_man retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat News https://t.co/8R7zkZxcS8 #redhat #gnu #linux #rackspace'Jun 13 10:14
cubexyznever realized this existed:Jun 13 10:21
cubexyzhttp://segaretro.org/Mega_PCJun 13 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-segaretro.org | Mega PCJun 13 10:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/corbyn_man/status/874630985454891010Jun 13 10:22
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    today's howtos https://t.co/l1GP1edqkYJun 13 10:22
TweetTuxMachines @corbyn_man     (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #unix #gnu #linuxJun 13 10:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 13 10:22
cubexyzand there's teradrives on ebayJun 13 10:24
cubexyzquite expensiveJun 13 10:24
cubexyzNOS one is $6K CanJun 13 10:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874632956513587204Jun 13 10:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/5RgluebTtiJun 13 10:28
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw #fdio #kubernetes #rspamd Jun 13 10:28
TweetTuxMachines                 #china #sktelecomJun 13 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux MachinesJun 13 10:28
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/5RgluebTti #freesw #fdio #kubernetes #rspamd ...'Jun 13 10:33
oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_TeraDrive one of these?Jun 13 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sega TeraDrive - WikipediaJun 13 10:35
cubexyzyes, that's itJun 13 10:35
oiaohmcubexyz: that thing was a super odd ball with 3 different CPUs.Jun 13 10:45
MinceRwhat did it use the z80 for?Jun 13 10:48
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cubexyzfor soundJun 13 11:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/874522092024320000Jun 13 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Any more infos abou this case BvR 739/17 in front of the German Constitutional Court? Search engines are pretty silent... #upc #patentJun 13 11:55
schestowitz"Any more infos abou this case BvR 739/17 in front of the German Constitutional Court? Search engines are pretty silent... #upc #patentJun 13 11:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/874392638723694592Jun 13 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @Sheikh_al_Touar @DavidBrooke_IP @WorldIPReview @ipwatch @patentbuddy @Twpalovi @Wikinaut No honest one, that is. T… https://t.co/7bRvURqJ11Jun 13 11:56
schestowitz"No honest one, that is. Trolls and speculators are gleefully feeding on it without remorse making millions."Jun 13 11:56
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/5RgluebTtiJun 13 12:16
TweetTuxMachines @sockeyes51_bot  (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw #fdio #kubernetes #rspamd Jun 13 12:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #china #sktelecomJun 13 12:16
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TweetTuxMachines                 Today in TechrightsJun 13 13:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/3KRrYTBIbE (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 13 13:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJun 13 13:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874683274546880512Jun 13 13:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #Android Leftovers https://t.co/SqsXEKa1O4Jun 13 13:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #android #nokia #lg #india #linuxJun 13 13:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 13 13:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874683786377789441Jun 13 13:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Why Does Open Source Really Matter? It's about Control,Jun 13 13:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Not Code https://t.co/RoaEYzAtAB (tuxmachines.org)Jun 13 13:45
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #freedom #fossJun 13 13:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Why Does Open Source Really Matter? It's about Control, Not Code | Tux MachinesJun 13 13:45
*TweetTuxMachines @cybershellsec retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers https://t.co/SqsXEKa1O4 #android #nokia #lg #india #linux'Jun 13 13:45
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers https://t.co/SqsXEKa1O4 #android #nokia #lg #india #linux'Jun 13 13:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Why Does Open Source Really Matter? It's about...'Jun 13 13:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874684567717908484Jun 13 13:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Get amazing Tizen powered Samsung devices on #Flipkart atJun 13 13:49
TweetTuxMachines                 a discount https://t.co/OXW6f07gDN (tuxmachines.org)Jun 13 13:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #tizen #tizenos #samsung #linuxJun 13 13:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Get amazing Tizen powered Samsung devices on Flipkart at a discount | Tux MachinesJun 13 13:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874684900594655233Jun 13 13:54
TweetTuxMachines                 PCI Express 1.0 vs. 2.0 vs. 3.0 Performance With #NVIDIAJun 13 13:54
TweetTuxMachines                 / #Radeon #Graphics On #Linux https://t.co/rbiD0u0nPCJun 13 13:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #benchmarkJun 13 13:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | PCI Express 1.0 vs. 2.0 vs. 3.0 Performance With NVIDIA/Radeon Graphics On Linux | Tux MachinesJun 13 13:54
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Get amazing Tizen powered Samsung devices on #Flipkart...'Jun 13 13:55
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'PCI Express 1.0 vs. 2.0 vs. 3.0 Performance...'Jun 13 13:56
*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited 'PCI Express 1.0 vs. 2.0 vs. 3.0 Performance...'Jun 13 13:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874687636190920704Jun 13 14:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #Amazon #Greengrass launches as a #snap on #UbuntuJun 13 14:01
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/X6LdW7krCV (tuxmachines.org) #canonical #gnuJun 13 14:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 13 14:01
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*TweetTuxMachines @ExponetUSA retweeted @tuxmachines: 'PCI Express 1.0 vs. 2.0 vs. 3.0 Performance...'Jun 13 14:01
*TweetTuxMachines @davidantonyjr favourited 'PCI Express 1.0 vs. 2.0 vs. 3.0 Performance...'Jun 13 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Amazon Greengrass launches as a snap on Ubuntu | Tux MachinesJun 13 14:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874688054186958848Jun 13 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Announcing the Release of Fedora 26 BetaJun 13 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/YGPUafoCle (tuxmachines.org) #fedora #redhatJun 13 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #freeswJun 13 14:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Announcing the Release of Fedora 26 Beta | Tux MachinesJun 13 14:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Amazon #Greengrass launches as a #snap on #Ubuntu...'Jun 13 14:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Announcing the Release of Fedora 26 Beta https://t.co/YGPUafoCle...'Jun 13 14:07
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @theresa_may Says it all... https://t.co/pCvMMEiWfR'Jun 13 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @theresa_may Says it all... https://t.co/pCvMMEiWfRJun 13 14:07
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @theresa_may Says it all... https://t.co/pCvMMEiWfR'Jun 13 14:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/874691417679028224Jun 13 14:20
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Today in TechrightsJun 13 14:20
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/3KRrYTBIbE (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 13 14:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJun 13 14:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874701950994042881Jun 13 14:57
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Gaming and New GNU/Linux PortsJun 13 14:57
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/DCqA7ZTJQ1 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 13 14:57
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'Leftovers: Gaming and New GNU/Linux Ports https://t.co/DCqA7ZTJQ1'Jun 13 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming and New GNU/Linux Ports | Tux MachinesJun 13 14:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874702073513861125Jun 13 14:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Gaming and New GNU/Linux PortsJun 13 14:59
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/DCqA7ZTJQ1 (www.tuxmachines.org) #games #gnuJun 13 14:59
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #gamingJun 13 14:59
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Time for him to leave, after that...'Jun 13 14:59
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Time for him to leave,...'Jun 13 14:59
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Leftovers: Gaming and New GNU/Linux Ports https://t.co/DCqA7ZTJQ1 #games...'Jun 13 15:00
*TweetTuxMachines @codeappsweb favourited 'Leftovers: Gaming and New GNU/Linux Ports https://t.co/DCqA7ZTJQ1 #games...'Jun 13 15:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874703466018504705Jun 13 15:03
TweetTuxMachines                 #WineStaging Release 2.10   https://t.co/wxXB9mGg2BJun 13 15:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #wine #freesw #unix #gnu #linuxJun 13 15:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Staging Release 2.10 | Tux MachinesJun 13 15:03
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#WineStaging Release 2.10 https://t.co/wxXB9mGg2B #wine #freesw...'Jun 13 15:03
*TweetTuxMachines @Beezel_Bug favourited '#WineStaging Release 2.10 https://t.co/wxXB9mGg2B #wine #freesw...'Jun 13 15:09
*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited '#AlpineLinux 3.6 Security-Oriented OS Gets First Point Release...'Jun 13 15:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874709405274648578Jun 13 15:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Securing Your Linux System Bit by BitJun 13 15:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/orfHGAnKdR (www.tuxmachines.org) #securityJun 13 15:32
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 13 15:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Securing Your Linux System Bit by Bit | Tux MachinesJun 13 15:32
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeUM1WDoOGYJun 13 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Do Cats Miaow? - Cats Uncovered - BBC - YouTubeJun 13 15:34
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Securing Your Linux System Bit by Bit https://t.co/orfHGAnKdR...'Jun 13 15:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874712300950892546Jun 13 15:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Apertus AXIOM Beta – Your Open Source Camera.Jun 13 15:38
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/r0T8l28NXb (www.cinema5d.com) "actualJun 13 15:38
TweetTuxMachines                 operating system of the camera are still underJun 13 15:38
TweetTuxMachines                 development."Jun 13 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cinema5d.com | NO TITLEJun 13 15:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Apertus AXIOM Beta – Your Open Source Camera....'Jun 13 15:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874713115002380288Jun 13 15:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #Mozilla #Firefox 54 Now AvailableJun 13 15:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/pZlKtY7uYz (www.phoronix.com) still my mainJun 13 15:42
TweetTuxMachines                 browser. Not ideal freedom-wise, but better than mostJun 13 15:42
TweetTuxMachines                 technically.Jun 13 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla Firefox 54 Now Available - PhoronixJun 13 15:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874713607296233472Jun 13 15:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Swapping #Linux for #Windows in #Munich too risky afterJun 13 15:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #WannaCry attacks, warn Green https://t.co/gHpqgt79RIJun 13 15:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #security #germany #limuxJun 13 15:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Swapping Linux for Windows in Munich too risky after WannaCry attacks, warn Greens | Tux MachinesJun 13 15:44
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Mozilla #Firefox 54 Now Available https://t.co/pZlKtY7uYz still my...'Jun 13 15:44
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Swapping #Linux for #Windows in #Munich too risky...'Jun 13 15:45
*TweetTuxMachines @rbonifaz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Swapping #Linux for #Windows in #Munich too risky...'Jun 13 15:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Comatose_D favourited 'Swapping #Linux for #Windows in #Munich too risky...'Jun 13 15:46
*TweetTuxMachines @cybershellsec retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Swapping #Linux for #Windows in #Munich too risky...'Jun 13 15:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/874714739309518849Jun 13 16:13
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Swapping #Linux for #Windows in #Munich too risky afterJun 13 16:13
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       #WannaCry attacks, warn Green https://t.co/gHpqgt79RIJun 13 16:13
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #security #germany #limuxJun 13 16:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874721311569973249Jun 13 16:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Alpha Offers Core #i7 Centurion Laptop Running #GNUJun 13 16:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux for $429 https://t.co/fVEHRSikdnJun 13 16:14
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #elementaryOS #liteboxJun 13 16:14
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/ejlC6Ru.jpgJun 13 16:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/874721655720787968Jun 13 16:44
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Alpha Offers Core #i7 Centurion Laptop Running #GNUJun 13 16:44
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #Linux for $429 https://t.co/fVEHRSikdnJun 13 16:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #elementaryOS #liteboxJun 13 16:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Or as you put it when behind...'Jun 13 16:44
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump Or as you put it...'Jun 13 16:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Now every job is a desirable one....'Jun 13 16:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/874735463034212352Jun 13 17:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Top 5 #Ubuntu Themes Of The Month https://t.co/vcrJqijTg8Jun 13 17:11
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 13 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 5 Ubuntu Themes Of The Month | Tux MachinesJun 13 17:11
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Top 5 #Ubuntu Themes Of The Month https://t.co/vcrJqijTg8...'Jun 13 17:15
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*TweetTuxMachines @ERA_Instruments favourited 'Open source RF signal generator features WiFi https://t.co/BDiBL3mUyU...'Jun 13 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source RF signal generator features WiFi | Tux MachinesJun 13 18:03
DaaemonFCI do wonder why Devuan chose to go back to SysVInit.Jun 13 18:05
DaaemonFCYuck.Jun 13 18:05
DaaemonFCMaybe they could have adopted Upstart.Jun 13 18:05
XRevan86DaaemonFC: Definitely not upstartJun 13 18:06
XRevan86but maybe OpenRC :)Jun 13 18:06
DaaemonFCSysVInit is not really for a modern computer where running things in parallel happen, lots of hardware events, etc.Jun 13 18:06
DaaemonFCAlso, systemd did solve a few real problems.Jun 13 18:06
DaaemonFCSuch as processes forking and escaping the control of init.Jun 13 18:06
DaaemonFCThat's kind of a bad one.Jun 13 18:06
XRevan86DaaemonFC: Yeah, Devuan should go for systemd. Wait…Jun 13 18:07
DaaemonFCWell, they can do what they want to do, but I can't imagine that the upstream for SysVInit is very active anymore, and it has problems which aren't ever going to be fixed.Jun 13 18:27
DaaemonFCThat being said, nobody has to use Devuan.Jun 13 18:27
DaaemonFCI don't really feel like going back in time 10 years and having my desktop do unpredictable crap because I plugged in a flash drive.Jun 13 18:28
DaaemonFCXRevan86, The upstream has been on the same version for 7 years.Jun 13 18:32
DaaemonFCIt's the new Grub 0.97.Jun 13 18:32
XRevan86> and having my desktop do unpredictable crap because I plugged in a flash driveJun 13 18:32
XRevan86DaaemonFC: Devuan uses udev, of course.Jun 13 18:32
DaaemonFCMeh, I'll probably stick with Fedora.Jun 13 18:37
DaaemonFCIt usually "Just Works".Jun 13 18:37
DaaemonFCThe only part where I need to get directy involved is when it comes to setting up things that they can't legally include due to patents and such.Jun 13 18:37
DaaemonFCI can't imagine that Devuan escapes those problems.Jun 13 18:38
XRevan86DaaemonFC: http://deb-multimedia.org/Jun 13 18:39
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XRevan86Official Debian repos are more loose with patents than openSUSE and Fedora though. Not sure why.Jun 13 18:40
DaaemonFCYeah, I know of Debian Multimedia.Jun 13 18:40
DaaemonFCI briefly used Debian for a while.Jun 13 18:40
DaaemonFCIt was a pain in the ass to set up at the time I tried it.Jun 13 18:40
DaaemonFCThat was a while ago. I think it might have been Debian 6.Jun 13 18:41
DaaemonFCThey probably got better. I don't know.Jun 13 18:41
DaaemonFCThe packages are almost always too old for my taste.Jun 13 18:41
DaaemonFCEspecially the kernel.Jun 13 18:42
DaaemonFCEven Debian 9 is sticking with the 4.9 kernel, which has lingering issues with Skylake.Jun 13 18:42
XRevan86DaaemonFC: It's freezed, so…Jun 13 18:42
XRevan86Although I should point out https://packages.siduction.org/ and https://liquorix.net/Jun 13 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-packages.siduction.org | Siduction Repositories - the community based OS - RepositoriesJun 13 18:43
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DaaemonFCI'd have to use something based on Testing or Sid.Jun 13 18:44
DaaemonFCI know that a lot of people just install Testing and use it as a rolling release and it *usually* works fine.Jun 13 18:44
XRevan86DaaemonFC: Shouldn't be a problem for a Fedora user :)Jun 13 18:44
DaaemonFCBy the time the packages make it to Testing, they're normally okay.Jun 13 18:44
DaaemonFCFedora is probably comparable to Debian Testing.Jun 13 18:45
DaaemonFCRawhide is pretty much Sid.Jun 13 18:45
XRevan86And if you're only into a new kernel, liquorix can deliver even without having the whole Debian testingJun 13 18:45
DaaemonFCRHEL would be like Debian Stable.Jun 13 18:46
XRevan86DaaemonFC: No, that analogy is not very good…Jun 13 18:46
DaaemonFCYeah, even Fedora sticks with some packages throughout the release.Jun 13 18:46
DaaemonFCThe GNOME package group for instance, spare minor updates.Jun 13 18:47
DaaemonFCBut KDE gets major versions.Jun 13 18:47
XRevan86DaaemonFC: Same as in openSUSE I see.Jun 13 18:47
DaaemonFCKDE is a spin, so different rules apply.Jun 13 18:47
DaaemonFCThe spins can do whatever they want as long as it's an isolated change (Only their SIG's packages, not the core OS.).Jun 13 18:47
DaaemonFCGNOME is considered core.Jun 13 18:48
XRevan86DaaemonFC: It's probably due to new GNOME requiring new GTK+ and GLibJun 13 18:48
XRevan86and new autotools, gettext, etc.Jun 13 18:48
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DaaemonFCUgh. Well, Fedora 26 Beta is out. Still defaults to Wayland. Wayland still sucks for games.Jun 14 00:45
DaaemonFCXWayland is obviously not an answer for anything that needs performance.Jun 14 00:45
DaaemonFCI hope they keep the GNOME on Xorg session around for a while.Jun 14 00:46
DaaemonFCAt this rate it will take years for Wayland to be more than a curiosity for people who have real applications to run.Jun 14 00:46
oiaohmDaaemonFC: the benchmarks on XWayland does not show really that much performance overhead.Jun 14 00:47
DaaemonFCBullshit it's not high overhead.Jun 14 00:49
DaaemonFCFor one thing, you lose about 20-30% on the average framerate on the benchmark, which is significant, but then the game is unplayable because Wayland doesn't allow it to drop frames.Jun 14 00:50
DaaemonFCSo if it's too late to render something, the game just freezes up as it tries to recover the missing frame and then you lose 20 more.Jun 14 00:50
DaaemonFCIt's completely stupid, and that's before the touch problems that XWayland has.Jun 14 00:51
DaaemonFCWant to know if an app is running on XWayland or Wayland? Try dragging it by the title bar or pressing one of the title bar buttons with your finger.Jun 14 00:51
DaaemonFCIf it doesn't respond at all, it's XWayland.Jun 14 00:52
DaaemonFCI'm staying on Xorg until they get this mess sorted out.Jun 14 00:52
oiaohmDaaemonFC: wayland does not forbid dropping framesJun 14 00:53
oiaohmDaaemonFC: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-24-Alpha-Game-Tests  the more recent tests has the lost between 10% and nothing.Jun 14 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora 24 Alpha X.Org vs. (X)Wayland Gaming Tests - PhoronixJun 14 00:55
oiaohmDaaemonFC: so difference between Xwayland and X.org on native hardware has been reducing quite a bit.Jun 14 00:56
oiaohmDaaemonFC: http://gstreamer-bugs.narkive.com/I0oj9ZYx/bug-740803-new-waylandsink-double-check-the-frame-callback-before-dropping-frames   you are right that frame droppinng method being different causes some problems.Jun 14 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gstreamer-bugs.narkive.com | [Bug 740803] New: waylandsink: Double-check the frame callback before dropping frames [ http://ur1.ca/qzxp7 ]Jun 14 01:03
oiaohmDaaemonFC: wayland protocol it self contains a command to drop a frame already send to the output stream if possible this is locking and high overhead.Jun 14 01:04
DaaemonFCI tried to make a reply to Phoronix about Firefox 54. I think it's in moderation because of a new account.Jun 14 01:04
DaaemonFCI wrote: Jun 14 01:04
DaaemonFCFirefox doesn't support Wayland. Jun 14 01:04
DaaemonFCIt doesn't do multi-process very well.Jun 14 01:04
DaaemonFC(By default, but many distros turn this off.) it installs proprietary software that not even Mozilla can fix when there is a security problem, without explaining the implications to the user. (Widevine)Jun 14 01:04
DaaemonFCIt still has the bug where if you apply a dark GTK+ theme, the color scheme in Firefox goes horribly wrong and many forms can't be used.....15 years later. Although I hear a fix is in for Firefox 55. I'll believe it when I see it.Jun 14 01:04
DaaemonFCGNOME Web is cleaner, faster, and has the good stuff (libhttpseverywhere, ad blocking, tracker blocking, etc.) on and enabled by default and has obliterated the preference mess and the cross-platform compromises that Firefox makes, along with Firefox's completely third-rate Linux support. Mozilla clearly doesn't see Linux as a priority platform. We often go several releases before we get the same features that Windows users get. Sick of Jun 14 01:04
DaaemonFCit. Sick of it. Sick of it....Jun 14 01:04
DaaemonFCFirefox on my computer is a backup web browser, and thankfully I don't have to mess with it very often.Jun 14 01:04
DaaemonFCMozilla wonders why their users are abandoning them. It's because they abandoned their users.Jun 14 01:04
DaaemonFCAlso, their new website looks dodgy af. :)Jun 14 01:04
oiaohmFirefox runs straight into that gstreamer one.Jun 14 01:05
DaaemonFCFirefox has devolved into a mess. A complete mess.Jun 14 01:06
oiaohmYes wayland provides means to pull a frame off the output que.  That is something you should avoid doing.Jun 14 01:06
oiaohmBy only putting completed frames on output que.Jun 14 01:06
DaaemonFCThe last release that was any good was the 3.6 branch.Jun 14 01:06
oiaohmThat way you can drop without performance hit.Jun 14 01:06
oiaohmwayland automatically skips forwards on the output que.Jun 14 01:07
oiaohmSo there has been a issue doing X11 behavours on wayland.Jun 14 01:08
DaaemonFCThe whole system seems to perform better on X.Jun 14 01:12
oiaohmDaaemonFC: that is not the case.Jun 14 01:12
DaaemonFCI don't see why they would remove the X11 option anytime soon. They need almost the whole stack to do XWayland anyway.Jun 14 01:13
oiaohmDaaemonFC: wayland when used correctly results in lower memory usage.Jun 14 01:13
oiaohmDaaemonFC: turns out bad performing routes X11 does are also bad for X11 ram usage.Jun 14 01:13
oiaohmDaaemonFC: Firefox 54 in developer builds there is wayland version.Jun 14 01:14
oiaohmDaaemonFC: correction most of the bad performing routes under Xwayland turns out to be also bad for X11 native in ram usage.  So should be fixed anyhow.Jun 14 01:16
DaaemonFCoiaohm, Do LTS kernels get new hardware support?Jun 14 01:34
oiaohmDaaemonFC: the answer is LTS revision numbers do and more hardware support.   Not always everything in latest release.Jun 14 01:35
oiaohmDaaemonFC: new bit of hardware might depend on a structure that putting in LTS risks breaking everything so that would not end up in LTS.Jun 14 01:36
oiaohmDaaemonFC: so where is sane is added to the LTS.Jun 14 01:37
DaaemonFCSo if there were problems getting my laptop to work with the early 4.9 kernels or missing drivers for wifi and touchpad, that might be resolved?Jun 14 01:38
DaaemonFCI suppose I'll check out Debian 9 in a live environment. Jun 14 01:39
DaaemonFCI wonder if they have everything set up or still make you spend hours doing it yourself. At the time of Squeeze, I was horrified to see a distribution that had me install a desktop OS without Pulseaudio.Jun 14 01:40
DaaemonFCThen when I did configure it, it wasn't working very well.Jun 14 01:40
DaaemonFCBy the time it was, I couldn't tell you what I had done.Jun 14 01:40
oiaohmwifi could be the next LTS.   There are changes in the wifi stack required for some cards.   The touchpad there has been no major changes in that area of structure so should get backported once mainline kernel supports it.Jun 14 01:42
DaaemonFCoiaohm, I know that Fedora 25 didn't detect my wifi chipset in the original live environment.Jun 14 01:43
DaaemonFCAt some point, they did an installer respin and brought in a kernel where the driver was added.Jun 14 01:43
oiaohmDaaemonFC: fedora 25 is 4.10Jun 14 01:44
oiaohmDaaemonFC: on the other side of the wifi stack change.Jun 14 01:44
oiaohmDaaemonFC: and I want https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_4.11 4.11 and newer for better SMB support.Jun 14 01:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kernelnewbies.org | Linux 4.11 - Linux Kernel NewbiesJun 14 01:46
DaaemonFCStrange. Ubuntu works with the wifi and has a 4.10 kernelJun 14 01:46
MinceRhttp://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1497.htmlJun 14 01:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darthsanddroids.net | Darths & DroidsJun 14 01:46
DaaemonFCUbuntu 17.04Jun 14 01:46
DaaemonFCApparently, Fedora 25 shipped with kernel 4.8.Jun 14 01:47
oiaohmDaaemonFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kernel  Fedora 25 might have shiped with 4.8 but changes to 4.10 by update.Jun 14 01:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Kernel - FedoraProjectJun 14 01:48
oiaohmDaaemonFC: so fedora wifi fixed it self by going to newer kernel version.Jun 14 01:49
DaaemonFCRight.Jun 14 01:51
DaaemonFCI guess I can always just boot up into the Live environment when Debian 9 is released.Jun 14 01:51
oiaohmDaaemonFC: basically that hardware does not like 4.9 or older.Jun 14 01:51
DaaemonFCGive everything a once over.Jun 14 01:51
DaaemonFCIntel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev 42)Jun 14 01:51
oiaohmDaaemonFC: I would suspect debian 9 is not going to like you.Jun 14 01:51
DaaemonFCThat's what it reports.Jun 14 01:51
oiaohmFrom what I can see debian 9 is going to be 4.9.x kernel.Jun 14 01:52
DaaemonFCThen even if the driver is present, Debian probably does something stupid like not include the firmware for it.Jun 14 01:52
DaaemonFCHappens.Jun 14 01:52
DaaemonFCSince there is no ethernet port on this laptop, it kind of has to work out of the box, or I could include the deb package for the firmware on another stick.Jun 14 01:53
DaaemonFCStill a hassle that they shouldn't put you through.Jun 14 01:54
oiaohmThere are debian installers with all firmware.Jun 14 01:55
MinceRhttp://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1503.htmlJun 14 01:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darthsanddroids.net | Darths & Droids [ http://ur1.ca/qzxv9 ]Jun 14 01:55
DaaemonFCThat's why I'm always puzzled when I find out some huge organization runs Debian. I'm like "Uh why?". There's nobody to get a support contract from as far as I know, and then you run into shit like no firmware included.Jun 14 01:55
MinceRit probably still sucks less than ubuntu or ratcrap's distrosJun 14 01:55
DaaemonFCI'd be biased towards CentOS or a similar distribution for LTS.Jun 14 01:56
oiaohmDaaemonFC: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/Jun 14 01:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cdimage.debian.org | Index of /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware [ http://ur1.ca/qzxvd ]Jun 14 01:56
MinceRstill, if someone wants to run lendows (and not windows), they might as well go for ratcrap's stuffJun 14 01:56
oiaohmDaaemonFC: HP and others sell support contracts for Debian.Jun 14 01:56
MinceRthat way they'll get poettering's newest stupid ideas soonerJun 14 01:56
MinceRespecially on fedoraJun 14 01:57
DaaemonFCCentOS is basically Really Crufty Fedora with less packages.Jun 14 01:57
DaaemonFCSo I don't see the point, as a home desktop at least.Jun 14 01:57
MinceRthey can get their systems broken even faster!Jun 14 01:57
DaaemonFCThat's not what it's for though.Jun 14 01:57
DaaemonFCMinceR, I attempted to use CentOS one time to see how long I could stand it.Jun 14 01:58
MinceRapparently already 2 companies provide enterprise support for devuanJun 14 01:58
MinceRmight as well switch :>Jun 14 01:58
DaaemonFCThere was nothing particularly wrong with it, but the libs and stuff just got so far behind upstream that eventually you couldn't build new software yourself.Jun 14 01:58
MinceRs/broken/more broken/Jun 14 01:59
oiaohmDaaemonFC: with Debian you have choice of support contracts.   https://www.debian.org/consultants/  List of contractable consultants Jun 14 01:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.debian.org | Debian -- ConsultantsJun 14 01:59
DaaemonFCI do like that they dropped x86-32 though.Jun 14 01:59
DaaemonFCAncient crap.Jun 14 01:59
DaaemonFCMostly serves to hobble the performance available to multiarch libs in the x86-64 version.Jun 14 02:00
oiaohmDaaemonFC: wine still needs the 32 bit libraries.Jun 14 02:00
DaaemonFCIf you have a 32-bit distribution, you're targeting old hardware that lacks support for the features available on newer CPUs.Jun 14 02:00
DaaemonFCSo by dumping it, you can compile your 32-bit multiarch libraries in an ideal manner for running on an x86-64 system.Jun 14 02:01
DaaemonFCFedora is most of the way there though. Jun 14 02:01
oiaohmTo be correct at some point we have to change to x32-abi for 32 bit like stuff.  Fixes the 32 bit time problem.Jun 14 02:02
MinceRother legacy proprietary applications (games) may also need i386 supportJun 14 02:02
oiaohmSome of those legacy old programs better not care about time that much.Jun 14 02:02
MinceRindeedJun 14 02:03
MinceRit would be nice to be able to virtualize time for themJun 14 02:03
MinceRso at least they won't wrap while you're using them :>Jun 14 02:03
oiaohmIts the 2038 problem and the determination to sweep problem under rug.Jun 14 02:03
DaaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-24-i686-DemotionJun 14 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora Linux Moves Ahead With Effectively Demoting 32-bit x86 Support - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/qzxwp ]Jun 14 02:04
MinceRfunny, fedora used to provide compatibility librariesJun 14 02:04
DaaemonFCFedora Server dropped 32-bit and the other spins don't consider problems in the 32-bit spins to be release blockers.Jun 14 02:04
DaaemonFCMinceR, Multiarch is still a priority.Jun 14 02:04
MinceRif they considered problems to be release blockers, they wouldn't have released any version newer than 14 :>Jun 14 02:05
DaaemonFCAfter the 32-bit release gets the axe, many 32-bit packages will still remain to enable 32-bit software to run on the x86-64 version of the OS.Jun 14 02:05
oiaohmWe have until 2038 to get off of anything that depends on 32 bit time.Jun 14 02:06
oiaohmSo it is most likely a good idea to start kicking old school 32 bit out.Jun 14 02:07
MinceRindeedJun 14 02:07
DaaemonFCThe last Intel CPU without x86-64 support came off the line in 2005.Jun 14 02:07
MinceRbut i doubt this is what will stop me from running unreal tournament when i feel like it :>Jun 14 02:07
oiaohmOf course some of the fixs make me go ok right.   like instead of going to 64 bit time going to 48 bit time.Jun 14 02:07
DaaemonFCWith the exception of some Atom models.Jun 14 02:08
MinceRwhy would you want to go to 48 bit time?Jun 14 02:08
oiaohmDaaemonFC: I was about to question atom.Jun 14 02:08
MinceRit's not a whole multiple of 32 bitJun 14 02:08
DaaemonFCSo basically, nothing important in 12 years.Jun 14 02:08
DaaemonFCCarrying a 32-bit version is starting to look embarrassing even by Microsoft standards.Jun 14 02:08
oiaohmMinceR: 48bit time fits into some filesystems spare space in structures.Jun 14 02:08
oiaohmMinceR: where 64 bit does not.Jun 14 02:09
MinceRicJun 14 02:09
DaaemonFCAt this point, the limit of 4 GB of RAM alone means that people would have to resort to using Lxde or something.Jun 14 02:09
DaaemonFCOpen a few tabs in a web browser you're already using swap if you only have 4 GB.Jun 14 02:09
MinceRstill better than gnome or kdeJun 14 02:09
DaaemonFCKDE is not looking so good.Jun 14 02:10
DaaemonFCAt least GNOME is consistent.Jun 14 02:10
MinceRyeah, consistently crapJun 14 02:10
DaaemonFCIt's also the only desktop I can use because none of the rest have HiDPI support.Jun 14 02:10
DaaemonFCThe next release of MATE might support it well enough to use.Jun 14 02:11
DaaemonFCThe migration to GTK+ 3 is done, so HiDPI could come next.Jun 14 02:11
DaaemonFCThe memory requirement of MATE built with GTK+ 3 is the same as built with GTK + 2.Jun 14 02:11
MinceRuntil you use something like gimp that uses stuff they've thrown out of gtk3? :>Jun 14 02:12
DaaemonFCThey broke all of the GTK+ 2 themes, but it had to be done. There never will be support for HiDPI in GTK+ 3 and no upstream is maintaining it.Jun 14 02:12
DaaemonFCMinceR, You have both versions of the toolkit on your system.Jun 14 02:12
DaaemonFCAt least until Gimp support GTK+ 3.Jun 14 02:13
DaaemonFCOr does it already?Jun 14 02:13
DaaemonFCAnyway, with GTK+ 2 apps, they're nearly unusable on my computer.Jun 14 02:13
DaaemonFCThe buttons and everything are way too small.Jun 14 02:13
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/WrX2XBC.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/WrX2XBC )Jun 14 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Cat: Why is this not on the floor yet?Jun 14 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cat: Why is this not on the floor yet? - GIF on ImgurJun 14 02:13
DaaemonFChttps://www.gimp.org/news/2017/02/02/gimp-2-10-blockers/Jun 14 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gimp.org | GIMP 2.10 blockers and the road to 3.0 - GIMP [ http://ur1.ca/qzxxy ]Jun 14 02:13
DaaemonFCMinceR, They're working on it.Jun 14 02:14
MinceRah, so it will never happenJun 14 02:14
MinceRi wonder what the gnome munchkins want to replace gimp withJun 14 02:14
MinceRpinta?Jun 14 02:14
DaaemonFCMono on Linux seems to be dead.Jun 14 02:15
DaaemonFCBanshee hasn't had any activity in 2 years.Jun 14 02:15
oiaohmDaaemonFC: worse memory usage to other options really did not help.Jun 14 02:16
MinceRmaybe ratcrap will revive it for their overlords in redmondJun 14 02:16
oiaohmMinceR: unlikely Redhat is Java.Jun 14 02:16
MinceRwasJun 14 02:16
oiaohmMinceR: no Is.Jun 14 02:16
MinceRthen they became a microsoft vassalJun 14 02:16
MinceRhttps://www.redhat.com/en/microsoftJun 14 02:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | MicrosoftJun 14 02:16
MinceRand iirc they already started trying to destroy gnu/linux before that announcementJun 14 02:17
oiaohmMinceR: no Microsoft for that had to agree to provide some tools under JAVAJun 14 02:17
oiaohmMinceR: redhat has to deal with the hosting providers.   Microsoft has to deal with Redhat.Jun 14 02:19
DaaemonFCIf the fact that systemd took over the whole world and didn't run on BSD was the only good thing about it, I'd probably still be happy on some level.Jun 14 02:20
MinceRoiaohm: ratcrap has already started sacrificing their customers and their business for scraps from microsoftJun 14 02:20
DaaemonFCThe BSD folks not only are working for Microsoft and Apple for free, they brag about it when the companies run off with some of their software, make it proprietary, and abuse people with it.Jun 14 02:20
oiaohmMinceR: https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/jboss-middleware/application-platformJun 14 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat JBoss Enterprise Application Platform [ http://ur1.ca/qzxyp ]Jun 14 02:21
MinceRoiaohm: have you not noticed that everyone who becomes a vassal to m$ eventually gets killed and discarded?Jun 14 02:21
MinceRoiaohm: where is novell now?Jun 14 02:21
oiaohmMinceR: redhat has been dealing with Microsoft since 1998Jun 14 02:21
MinceRnot in the way they are nowJun 14 02:21
oiaohmexactly like they are now.Jun 14 02:22
MinceRi don't remember cancerd being around in 1998Jun 14 02:22
oiaohmIts how redhat got themselves into paperwork going out to parnters.Jun 14 02:22
DaaemonFCMinceR, At some point, Microsoft should probably look to buy a Linux company.Jun 14 02:22
MinceRDaaemonFC: indeedJun 14 02:22
DaaemonFCCanonical would be cheaper.Jun 14 02:22
MinceRthey've already bought some android application developers to kill them offJun 14 02:22
MinceRthey could buy both ratcrap and canonicalJun 14 02:22
MinceRand then claim they control most of "linux"Jun 14 02:23
oiaohm1998 redhat custom management tools for sysvinit that would nuke you manual settings.Jun 14 02:23
DaaemonFCYeah, Red Hat is on the S&P 500, but only 0.076% by weight.Jun 14 02:23
MinceRoiaohm: that did not kill non-redhat distrosJun 14 02:23
oiaohmMinceR: redhat did not kill sysvinit on non redhat distributions.Jun 14 02:23
DaaemonFCMicrosoft could buy the entire company cheaply and 90% of enterprise Linux installs are RHEL.Jun 14 02:23
oiaohmsysvinit being sysvinit killed it.Jun 14 02:23
MinceRoiaohm: wrongJun 14 02:23
oiaohmI am right.Jun 14 02:23
MinceRkeep telling yourself thatJun 14 02:24
oiaohmEvery distrobution was having problems with fork processes becoming non managed.Jun 14 02:24
MinceRevery lendows distribution has many problems you ignoreJun 14 02:24
oiaohmVery few init systems attempted to address that problem.Jun 14 02:24
MinceRthey can't boot reliably, they can't shutdown reliably, they can't launch services reliablyJun 14 02:24
oiaohmupstart was attempted by most before going systemd.Jun 14 02:24
oiaohmupstart was less reliable than systemd.Jun 14 02:24
MinceRcancerd is the only thing that can make upstart look goodJun 14 02:25
MinceRwith its horrid signal and ptrace abuseJun 14 02:25
oiaohmNo systemd has less issues with upset services than upstart.Jun 14 02:25
oiaohmAlso does not have the fork break away problem.Jun 14 02:25
MinceRyay, it does not have some rarely occurring problems preferred by oiaohm Jun 14 02:25
oiaohmIf a few hunderd reports a year to debian bugzilla is rare.Jun 14 02:26
MinceRit just trashes users' data, makes servers and embedded system take ages to boot (if they manage to boot at all), but who cares about that?Jun 14 02:26
oiaohmSo the fork problem was not exaclty rare.Jun 14 02:26
DaaemonFChttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6h02sk/fedora_26_beta_released/Jun 14 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Fedora 26 Beta released : linuxJun 14 02:26
MinceRand relies on a kernel feature that will probably never be completedJun 14 02:27
DaaemonFCFedora should look into changing the compiler to clang for some packages.Jun 14 02:27
MinceRas in, will probably never workJun 14 02:27
MinceRbut ooh, shiny!Jun 14 02:27
DaaemonFCMinceR, There was a Lindows.Jun 14 02:27
oiaohmcgroupv2 and newer namespaces do work now.Jun 14 02:27
MinceRDaaemonFC: i knowJun 14 02:27
DaaemonFCMicrosoft paid them to change their name to avoid going to court.Jun 14 02:27
oiaohmMinceR: so that never work is wrong.Jun 14 02:27
oiaohmMinceR: what happen when someone attempt to properly fix a problem.Jun 14 02:28
oiaohmMinceR: instead of ingoring it.Jun 14 02:28
MinceRoiaohm: are you implying that fixing a problem with sysvinit requires replacing the whole userland?Jun 14 02:28
oiaohmMinceR: some of the problems do has questions along that way.    Like LSB heads in sysvinit scripts not matching to sysvinit script contents so leading to tools giving wrong information to users.Jun 14 02:29
DaaemonFCRight, but some of what systemd is doing is important in embedded.Jun 14 02:30
oiaohmMinceR: some of the thing systemd is do not releated to init is about other oddness.   Like why does each X11 desktop envornment run it own incompadible session management.Jun 14 02:30
DaaemonFCFast boot, fast recovery if a service errors out.Jun 14 02:31
DaaemonFCThat's one reason why car makers are going with Linux for the entertainment system.Jun 14 02:31
DaaemonFCApple's stuff is not very good and waiting more than a few seconds for the system to come up starts getting awkward.Jun 14 02:31
MinceRyes, it's important to keep embedded systems from functioningJun 14 02:31
oiaohmMinceR: systemd allows services to have their own watchdog without using a complete system one.   That is a improvement.Jun 14 02:32
MinceRoiaohm: adding a few extra random features won't save the fundamentals from being completely wrongJun 14 02:32
oiaohmMinceR: fundamentals of sysvinit are wrong.Jun 14 02:33
oiaohmMinceR: so it swapping wrong with wrong.Jun 14 02:33
MinceRand yeah, cancerd must also take over all the DEsJun 14 02:33
MinceRagain, the old, tired lie about cancerd being only an init systemJun 14 02:33
oiaohmThe fundanmentals of every DE running there own incompadible sesssion management.Jun 14 02:34
MinceRanyway, i'm tired of you wasting my time advertising this piece of malwareJun 14 02:34
MinceRyeah, how dare different software be differentJun 14 02:34
oiaohmso making it impossible to switch between DE without logging out.Jun 14 02:34
MinceRpoettering's big dream: build all the software in the world from a single repositoryJun 14 02:34
oiaohmNot exactly.Jun 14 02:34
oiaohmpulseaudio give you a hint.Jun 14 02:35
MinceRhttps://i.redd.it/qqdla830gsex.jpgJun 14 02:35
oiaohmbefore pulseaudio you had artsd, esound....  All in a conflitting area with each other.Jun 14 02:35
DaaemonFCI was reading a story about Debian 8 being released from a couple years ago...Jun 14 02:35
DaaemonFC"Computers with broken EFI implementations should now be handled much more gracefully. Debian Jessie should even boot and install on Intel-based Macs[...]".Jun 14 02:35
DaaemonFCRedundant statement is redundant.Jun 14 02:35
oiaohmMac OS hardware efi is the worse but there are others that are quite up there.Jun 14 02:36
MinceR"mac os hardware"Jun 14 02:37
MinceRwtfJun 14 02:37
oiaohmMinceR: the apple EFI firmware comes out the Mac OS  source repositary.Jun 14 02:37
oiaohmMinceR: by the way I have had shudown -h segfault under sysvinitJun 14 02:38
oiaohmMinceR: if systemd does not have dbus it fall back to the same old sysvinit method to send shutdown.Jun 14 02:39
oiaohmMinceR: with the same old bug killing it dead.Jun 14 02:39
MinceRoiaohm: can you at least take my nick out of your cancerd spam?Jun 14 02:39
oiaohmMinceR: noJun 14 02:39
oiaohmMinceR: as you are fairly much the only one bring up this point of view.Jun 14 02:40
MinceRthen i'll just ignore youJun 14 02:40
oiaohmMinceR: remember I did not open this topic.Jun 14 02:40
oiaohmMinceR: and it that you bring up the same error over and over again.  I use to skip using you name.Jun 14 02:41
MinceRyou bring up the same bullshit over and overJun 14 02:41
MinceRtalking to you is like trying to argue with a spambotJun 14 02:42
MinceRapparently the counterargument to systemd forcibly replacing a huge number of services that actually worked correctly and reliably with half-baked unworkable crap is "hurpa durp sysvinit this, sysvinit that"Jun 14 02:45
oiaohmProblem is even when I back it with documentation you don't listen.Jun 14 02:45
oiaohmThings have happened for particular reasons.Jun 14 02:45
MinceRyou back it up with the same bullshit over and overJun 14 02:45
MinceRoh, i'm sure they had reasonsJun 14 02:45
MinceRjust not the reasons they've told you, which you've believed uncriticallyJun 14 02:45
oiaohmAnd you don't have anything in most cases backing up your statements.Jun 14 02:45
MinceRactually i doJun 14 02:45
MinceRyou just ignore itJun 14 02:45
oiaohmLike you did not consider why distriubtions stated migrating to upstart before systemd.Jun 14 02:46
MinceRjust like the fundamentalists ignore everything that conflicts with their dogmaJun 14 02:46
oiaohmThis means they were looking for something.Jun 14 02:46
MinceRyou also seem to have trouble understanding that neither you, nor poettering, nor anyone at ratcrap or m$ has the right to dictate what users are allowed to run on computers they ownJun 14 02:46
MinceRyes, they were looking for shiny broken crapJun 14 02:46
MinceRand yet, you're ignoring that upstart _only_ replaced init and rcJun 14 02:47
oiaohmNo they were looking for something to fix broken rap.Jun 14 02:47
oiaohmcrapJun 14 02:47
oiaohmSo they were weight between 1 bit of broken crap against another bit of broken crap.Jun 14 02:47
MinceRand cancerd replaces init, rc, udev, [x]inetd, crond, atd, syslogdJun 14 02:47
MinceRand moreJun 14 02:47
MinceRit also breaks screen, tmux, dtach by defaultJun 14 02:48
MinceRbut hey, sysvinit had some bugs!Jun 14 02:48
MinceR"i broke your server into tiny pieces with a sledgehammer because one of the pieces of software on it had some bugs in it. i hope you're grateful!"Jun 14 02:49
oiaohmMinceR: modification used in business to consolekit also killed screen tmux and dtech 3 years before systemd existed.Jun 14 02:49
oiaohmMinceR: why did that old modification exist.Jun 14 02:49
MinceR>consolekitJun 14 02:50
MinceRanother shitty piece of poetteringwareJun 14 02:50
oiaohmMinceR: try again.Jun 14 02:51
MinceRit obviously existed because whoever hacked it up had no clue of what unix was or how it was supposed to workJun 14 02:51
MinceRoiaohm: no, you try againJun 14 02:51
oiaohmMinceR: the modifitation I am talk is taken from somewhere older.Jun 14 02:51
oiaohmMinceR: being BSDJun 14 02:51
oiaohmMinceR: why was that modification done.Jun 14 02:51
MinceRoiaohm: your cult has managed to deploy broken shitty software that wasn't even half complete, or designed at all, onto thousands of production systems, by forceJun 14 02:51
MinceRoiaohm: so don't come to me about people trying something again, or things having bugsJun 14 02:52
oiaohmMinceR: the modification was done due to servers with multi users logging in and out running out ram.Jun 14 02:52
MinceRoiaohm: fucking fix your shitty software before forcing it on people.Jun 14 02:52
MinceRoiaohm: i don't give a fuck about your excusesJun 14 02:52
MinceRoiaohm: if you want to run windows, fucking run windowsJun 14 02:52
oiaohmMinceR: that is not excuse.Jun 14 02:52
MinceRyes it isJun 14 02:53
MinceRall you have is bullshit excuses for the unexcusableJun 14 02:53
oiaohmIts the problem with multi users using screen tmux and dtach.Jun 14 02:53
oiaohmHuman forget so they fill the system up with processes until it cannot take any more.Jun 14 02:53
MinceRso you break the system so humans can't use itJun 14 02:54
MinceRproblem solved!Jun 14 02:54
MinceRthis is your shittiest excuse so farJun 14 02:54
oiaohmNo logind include a flag to allow when users intentionally want a processes to stick around.Jun 14 02:54
MinceRand what was it set to by default?Jun 14 02:54
oiaohmthe old consolekit and bsd solution did not have on off switch for users.Jun 14 02:54
MinceR"solution"Jun 14 02:54
oiaohmSo admin turned it on users had to live with it.Jun 14 02:54
MinceR"i broke your systems, but it's ok because i call it a 'solution'"Jun 14 02:55
MinceRfucking stinking pile of bullshitJun 14 02:55
oiaohmNot broke system.Jun 14 02:55
oiaohmThat changed behavour of system.Jun 14 02:55
oiaohmQuestion is what behavour is the safer.Jun 14 02:55
MinceRyeah, it isn't broken, it's just "protected" from users doing anything productive with itJun 14 02:55
MinceRno, question is who asked for this shitJun 14 02:55
MinceRand who decides what the use case for a server isJun 14 02:56
MinceRand who decides what the use case for my server isJun 14 02:56
oiaohmdo all users use dtach and the like and expect processes to remain running after they log out.Jun 14 02:56
MinceRhint: it isn't you, or poettering, or anyone at m$ or ratcrapJun 14 02:56
MinceRyes, that's what dtach is forJun 14 02:56
oiaohmMajority of users when serveyed think log out is end everything.Jun 14 02:56
MinceRthen majority of users do not belong on a unix systemJun 14 02:56
MinceRyour current excuse for killing unix is users being too stupid to learn itJun 14 02:57
MinceRtake them to winblows or macos, thenJun 14 02:57
MinceRor put them in a straitjacket and have them taken care ofJun 14 02:57
oiaohmUnix servers is where terminated eveyrthing on log out starts without setting a flag.Jun 14 02:57
MinceR[citation needed]Jun 14 02:57
oiaohmGave you that one in the past.Jun 14 02:58
MinceR[citation needed]Jun 14 02:58
oiaohmNoJun 14 02:58
oiaohmI gave you the solaris and aix one and you answer bull to it.Jun 14 02:58
MinceR[citation needed]Jun 14 02:58
oiaohmSo should I expect bull answer againtJun 14 02:58
MinceRyou shouldn't type so much bullshit here, thenJun 14 02:59
oiaohmNoJun 14 02:59
oiaohmI have cited you wrong more often than not.Jun 14 02:59
MinceRno, you have liedJun 14 02:59
MinceRlike when you pretend that all unix is solarisJun 14 02:59
MinceRnews flash: at&t is not sun, or oracleJun 14 02:59
oiaohmat&t was referenced in the solaris cite.Jun 14 03:00
oiaohmThere have been a set of work around to parituclar problems for a long time.Jun 14 03:00
MinceRi wonder what the workaround will be for systemd preventing certain services from working at allJun 14 03:00
oiaohmThen there comes a quesiton if something is a repeating problem should the default be the other way.Jun 14 03:01
MinceRno, the answer is not to have poettering decide and enforce new defaults everywhereJun 14 03:01
MinceRif ratcrap's distros were as great as you keep implying they were, everyone would be using them without being forced toJun 14 03:01
oiaohmI know of no service that cannot be got working under systemdJun 14 03:02
MinceRi already listed a coupleJun 14 03:02
oiaohmMinceR: what ones.Jun 14 03:02
DaaemonFChttps://itsfoss.com/microsoft-using-git/Jun 14 03:02
MinceRmost importantly, syslogdJun 14 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-itsfoss.com | Microsoft Is Now Using Linus Torvalds’ Open Source Tool For Windows DevelopmentJun 14 03:02
DaaemonFCThey had to patch it because of performance problems with NTFS.Jun 14 03:02
oiaohmsyslogd is using in embedded systems with systemd.Jun 14 03:02
oiaohmwith journald removed.Jun 14 03:02
oiaohmSo that bullJun 14 03:03
MinceRthat's funny, your cult mates forgot to mention that option beforeJun 14 03:03
MinceRpoettering claimed systemd can't work without journaldJun 14 03:03
MinceRsounds an awful lot like m$ claiming winblows can't work without IEJun 14 03:03
oiaohmVersion 100 could not version 110 could.Jun 14 03:03
oiaohmSo it when poettering made claim.Jun 14 03:03
MinceRactually irrelevant, as he could have fixed his shitty software at any point instead of bullshitting usersJun 14 03:04
oiaohmMinceR: so since version 110 system journald has been removeable if you built systemd itself.Jun 14 03:04
MinceRbut you know what the funny thing is?Jun 14 03:04
MinceRyour beloved ratcrap released 3 allegedly "stable" versions of fedora with pre-110 systemd versionsJun 14 03:05
MinceRhttp://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedoraJun 14 03:05
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oiaohmFedora is a development OSJun 14 03:05
MinceRit has allegedly "stable" "release"sJun 14 03:05
oiaohmThis is important nothing requires stable status to be in fedora.Jun 14 03:05
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sebsebsebhiJun 14 03:05
razielle_tzuhiJun 14 03:06
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: morningJun 14 03:06
MinceRbut i guess micro$oft's asshole practices are a-ok if they're done through ratcrap, or canonical, or some other patsyJun 14 03:06
razielle_tzumorning sebsebseb Jun 14 03:07
sebsebsebMinceR: AppleJun 14 03:07
MinceRthe problem is apparently not that users get fucked and their servers are broken, but that they're done by someone called microsoftJun 14 03:07
MinceRsebsebseb: microsoftJun 14 03:07
sebsebsebMinceR: oh Apple what a lovely fruitJun 14 03:07
MinceRsebsebseb: better when processed into juice or pieJun 14 03:07
razielle_tzuyeah raw apple sucksJun 14 03:08
oiaohmMinceR: Redhat if you want a stable release Redhat wants you to pay for RHEL.   If you want to be a tester they give you Fedora that is the way it always has been.Jun 14 03:08
sebsebsebMinceR: cheap iphones or windows phone on ebay looked at that a bit yesterday as wellJun 14 03:08
MinceRoiaohm: and apparently now ratcrap also gets to decide what debian does.Jun 14 03:08
MinceRsebsebseb: probably still too expensive, considering what they can doJun 14 03:08
sebsebsebMinceR: spy on youJun 14 03:09
MinceRyou can have google spy on you for lessJun 14 03:09
oiaohmMinceR: and is that even new thinking redhat was maintaining consolekit and udev before systemd.Jun 14 03:09
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu:  MinceR yes I dont like eating apples much Jun 14 03:09
MinceRoiaohm: at least consolekit and udev didn't try to prevent you from running other software before cancerd came aroundJun 14 03:09
MinceRwell, except for consolekit apparently breaking screen, tmux and dtach -- though i never noticed this happen on my systemsJun 14 03:10
oiaohmMinceR:  you did have gnome and kde fail due to not having right versions of consolekit.Jun 14 03:10
MinceRmy debian7 server runs consolekit and i haven't seen my screens or tmuxes get killed on logoutJun 14 03:10
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu:  MinceR but I dont like apple juice much either, i believe my liter of orange juiuce is still waiting to goJun 14 03:10
MinceRoiaohm: no, i had gnome and kde fail because they were unfixable piles of shitJun 14 03:11
oiaohmMinceR: consolekit default is not to terminate on logoutl.Jun 14 03:11
MinceRsee, sane defaultsJun 14 03:11
MinceRwas that so difficult?Jun 14 03:11
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: MinceR hmm apple pie with custard can be nice thoughJun 14 03:11
oiaohmMinceR: sane default where you have multi users eating up all of a servers resoruces?Jun 14 03:11
razielle_tzunah, ice creamJun 14 03:11
MinceRoiaohm: the server resources exist for the users to useJun 14 03:11
oiaohmMinceR: on processes users has forgot to kill offJun 14 03:11
MinceRoiaohm: if users use those resources incorrectly, the solution is not to prevent users from working on the server at allJun 14 03:12
MinceRoiaohm: yes, users are responsible for their own processesJun 14 03:12
sebsebsebMinceR: Apple the muti billion dollar tech company the richest in the world and your overall favourite!Jun 14 03:12
MinceRoiaohm: what is it with you cancerd people pretending that everyone is running multiseat desktops for public campus use?Jun 14 03:12
razielle_tzulolJun 14 03:12
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yep or thatJun 14 03:12
oiaohmMinceR: screen tmux and detach still work with logind as long as users tell it that they wish processed to remian.Jun 14 03:12
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: lol @ whom ?Jun 14 03:12
oiaohmMinceR: and that modificaiton for logind was done before systemd existed.Jun 14 03:13
MinceRoiaohm: users should not need to tell that the former unix system cancerd hijacked should in fact keep functioning as a unix systemJun 14 03:13
razielle_tzusebsebseb: that comment about apple being MinceR's faveJun 14 03:13
oiaohmMinceR: no one spoke up in the planning stages.Jun 14 03:13
MinceRoiaohm: logind is part of systemdJun 14 03:13
oiaohmMinceR: logind started as a freedesktop project in it own right.Jun 14 03:13
MinceRoiaohm: nobody had this half-baked crap forced on them in the planning stagesJun 14 03:13
MinceRif it can be called "planning" at allJun 14 03:13
MinceRconsidering that the "design" is incredibly shitJun 14 03:14
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yes it is and MinceR just lies to us really with his cr.... alternative name for it :dJun 14 03:14
MinceRit's non-modular, for one thingJun 14 03:14
sebsebsebMinceR: oh Apple Apple Apple and oh yeah Microsoft as well!Jun 14 03:16
razielle_tzusebsebseb: stop disparaging MinceR like thisJun 14 03:16
oiaohmMinceR: logind was designed on the idea more than 1 party would implement it.  Also logind was design to get rid of a huge stack of work around hacks https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/Jun 14 03:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freedesktop.org | multiseat [ http://ur1.ca/qzy68 ]Jun 14 03:17
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: banta?Jun 14 03:17
razielle_tzudoesn't come across that way sometimesJun 14 03:19
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: or trolling him a bit for fun and out of boredom :dJun 14 03:19
razielle_tzufind a different way to alleviate boredom?Jun 14 03:19
sebsebsebMinceR:  I like you enough reallyJun 14 03:20
oiaohmMinceR: the interest part is how much of systemd is a collection of parts that should have competitors that no competitor has appeared.Jun 14 03:20
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Very sad way to close another week....'Jun 14 03:38
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HihiJun 14 05:12
Hii want to get removed one of my link from this websiteJun 14 05:13
---Hi is now known as Guest42781Jun 14 05:13
Guest42781whom to contactJun 14 05:13
Guest42781i want to get removed one of my link from this websiteJun 14 05:13
Guest42781whom to contactJun 14 05:13
schestowitzhiJun 14 05:13
Guest42781yes tell meJun 14 05:13
schestowitzwhere?Jun 14 05:13
schestowitzand why?Jun 14 05:13
Guest42781techrights.org/category/news-roundup/page/18/Jun 14 05:13
Guest42781Lenovo Yoga Book 2-in-1 PC With Chrome OS Coming In 2017Jun 14 05:14
Guest42781on this textJun 14 05:14
Guest42781pleasJun 14 05:14
schestowitzwhy?Jun 14 05:14
Guest42781its giving negative impact for our SEOJun 14 05:14
schestowitzf* offJun 14 05:14
Guest42781ooohhhhh reallyJun 14 05:15
razielle_tzuLOlJun 14 05:15
schestowitzgo back to your SEO-villeJun 14 05:15
schestowitzspammerJun 14 05:15
Guest42781bloody spammers you guys areJun 14 05:15
schestowitzyou areJun 14 05:15
schestowitzwasting people's time 'optimising'Jun 14 05:15
Guest42781losersJun 14 05:16
schestowitzGo back to your "SEO" dutiesJun 14 05:16
schestowitzMaybe one day you will get a real jobJun 14 05:16
Guest42781dude I am not a seo guyJun 14 05:16
Guest42781I am the person who created the websiteJun 14 05:17
Guest42781and your 1 link is hurting my efforts Jun 14 05:17
razielle_tzuone article is throwing off your SEO?Jun 14 05:17
razielle_tzuLOLJun 14 05:17
Guest42781yes...Jun 14 05:17
razielle_tzuthen your SEO is shitJun 14 05:17
Guest42781that's why I am requesting youJun 14 05:17
schestowitzso you try to tame the whole webJun 14 05:17
Guest42781may be...Jun 14 05:17
schestowitzto suit your SEOJun 14 05:17
Guest42781no....Jun 14 05:17
schestowitzI get lots of spammer requests like that from SEO "professionals"Jun 14 05:17
schestowitzmany requests are even automatedJun 14 05:18
Guest42781i am not automated manJun 14 05:18
razielle_tzuif one article throws off your SEO it's bad SEOJun 14 05:18
Guest42781may be I am saying you and requesting you to remove itJun 14 05:18
Guest42781it will not cost you anythingJun 14 05:18
Guest42781but its costing meJun 14 05:18
schestowitzI remember about 10 years ago when Sainsbury's asked people to request PERMISSION to just LINK to their siteJun 14 05:18
razielle_tzuikrJun 14 05:19
schestowitzthese people don't get the InternetJun 14 05:19
schestowitzprobably still don'tJun 14 05:19
razielle_tzuthey really don'tJun 14 05:19
Guest42781please will you remove it or not...it will be of great help to meJun 14 05:19
Guest42781??Jun 14 05:20
razielle_tzuprobably not, find another way to fix your bad SEOJun 14 05:20
Guest42781ok.....may be you will always be a looser only like since last 16 years with your shitty website when you can't succeed you are sucking others efforts...bloody looser Jun 14 05:22
oiaohmhttps://janefriedman.com/the-fair-use-doctrine/Jun 14 05:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-janefriedman.com | Is It Fair Use? 7 Questions to Ask Before Using Copyrighted MaterialJun 14 05:22
razielle_tzuLOLJun 14 05:22
schestowitzI gave you trafficJun 14 05:23
Guest42781i think you didn't know anything apart from LOLJun 14 05:23
Guest42781I don't need you bloody trafficJun 14 05:23
schestowitzIf some cyber-jacking led to the link being to strong pr0n, I would remove itJun 14 05:23
schestowitzbut "SEO" is a poor reasonJun 14 05:23
schestowitzyou are trying to shape the whole Web (around you) to suit your goalsJun 14 05:24
razielle_tzuSEO is one of the worst reasons to request a takedown that GIVES trafficJun 14 05:24
schestowitzalso a waste of timeJun 14 05:24
Guest42781thanks for the advice Jun 14 05:24
schestowitzyou would be spending your time better writing MORE articlesJun 14 05:24
razielle_tzuyeah because it won't be the link that's causing the issuesJun 14 05:24
schestowitznot obsessing over something you wrote a year agoJun 14 05:24
schestowitzsorry for saying the f* wordJun 14 05:25
razielle_tzupoor design, meta-spamJun 14 05:25
razielle_tzuthese are things that will be effecting itJun 14 05:25
schestowitzI mistook you for some agent that's doing "SEO" on behalf of somethingJun 14 05:25
schestowitzlots of those exist out there and I get spammed by them all the timeJun 14 05:25
Guest42781hhhhhhhmmmmmJun 14 05:26
Guest42781thanksJun 14 05:26
oiaohmGuest42781: https://www.google.com/webmasters/#?modal_active=none  google does provide this tool.  That does give you information on how it going over your sites and possible issues.Jun 14 05:26
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oiaohmThere is the nofollow that can be used on links in some cases to prevent some issues.Jun 14 05:27
Guest42781okJun 14 05:28
Guest42781thanks Jun 14 05:28
razielle_tzuooo the site uses the WP plugin yoast for SEOJun 14 05:29
schestowitzanyway, enough of this subject please?Jun 14 05:29
schestowitzSo much effort over a stupid "seo" thing for some very old articleJun 14 05:29
schestowitzGuest42781: you could write a new article in this whole time chatting in IRC about SEOJun 14 05:30
Guest42781Think that onlyJun 14 05:30
schestowitzSome people obsess over statistics and analytics (spying) when they could instead produce something newJun 14 05:30
schestowitzI want to write some articles now...Jun 14 05:31
Guest42781where it will be published :PJun 14 05:31
razielle_tzuwhat's with the random [/one_half], [one_half_last] stuff on random pages?Jun 14 05:32
razielle_tzuseems kinda unprofessionalJun 14 05:32
oiaohmrazielle_tzu: ok what.Jun 14 05:33
oiaohmhttps://www.monsterinsights.com/welcome-to-monsterinsights/  yoast is no more monsterinsights is the new name.Jun 14 05:33
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razielle_tzuon Guest42781's site, some pages have random bits of code showing, like what i asked about being on their contact pageJun 14 05:33
razielle_tzualso oiaohm Yoast is still what some articles are using for the SEO stuffJun 14 05:34
razielle_tzuin fact i think the whole site is still using itJun 14 05:34
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: this London tower block news you seen it ?Jun 14 05:34
sebsebseband you schestowitzJun 14 05:34
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schestowitzit would be bigger news if "tourrists"Jun 14 05:35
schestowitzAs if death only matter if there's some justification for wars abroadJun 14 05:35
schestowitznever mind car accidents, fires, cancer etc.Jun 14 05:35
oiaohmrazielle_tzu: that is one of the common things I find.   Sites SEO seams to be going badly and it got some out of date SEO tool on it.Jun 14 05:35
sebsebsebschestowitz: well its taken over bbc oneJun 14 05:35
sebsebsebschestowitz: big story thereJun 14 05:35
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razielle_tzuoiaohm: ikr, it's like they WANT someone else to blame instead of the guys that are supposed to keep everything up to date and working rightJun 14 05:36
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oiaohmrazielle_tzu: I tell everyone starting a website to do a proper copyright introduction course prevents a lot of these stupid claims problems understand why people are legally allowed to-do to your work.Jun 14 05:38
razielle_tzuit's a good idea tbfJun 14 05:39
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MinceRoiaohm: how difficult could it possibly be to understand for you cancerd cultists that for most users multiseat is a perfectly irrelevant feature?Jun 14 06:08
oiaohmMinceR: LOL what does multi seat features prevent from happening in a security context???Jun 14 06:10
oiaohmMinceR: of course those who want to stick in the past never ask that question.Jun 14 06:10
MinceRoiaohm: nothing relevantJun 14 06:10
oiaohmMinceR: that not an answer basically you don't have a clueJun 14 06:10
MinceRoiaohm: a. server. is. not. a. multiseat. desktop.Jun 14 06:11
oiaohmMinceR: no there is a place on the server for multiseat features.Jun 14 06:11
MinceRoiaohm: no, there is no place on the server for multiseat featuresJun 14 06:11
oiaohmMinceR: how do you control device accessJun 14 06:12
MinceRoiaohm: especially if they are an excuse for breaking server behavior.Jun 14 06:12
oiaohmMinceR: so far you are just being clueless.Jun 14 06:12
MinceRoiaohm: by locking up the server room, and by not giving untrustworthy people user accounts on the server, for exampleJun 14 06:12
MinceRoiaohm: no, you are being cluelessJun 14 06:12
MinceRoiaohm: or you're just trollingJun 14 06:12
oiaohmMinceR: why did consolekit have per service settingsJun 14 06:13
MinceRapparently not only poettering is perfectly clueless about what goes on in production environmentsJun 14 06:13
oiaohmMinceR: why the solution before consolekit have it.Jun 14 06:13
oiaohmMinceR: you are missing somethingJun 14 06:14
MinceRyeah, i miss all the things poettering destroyed or ruinedJun 14 06:15
oiaohmMinceR: what is the main objective of session seperation.Jun 14 06:15
oiaohmMinceR: this still applies to the same point.Jun 14 06:15
oiaohmMinceR: so far you have failed to answer one.Jun 14 06:15
oiaohmMinceR: the reality you never understood the basic objective.   So you are straight up unable to make a valid arguement.Jun 14 06:17
MinceRoiaohm: go back to windowsJun 14 06:18
oiaohmMinceR: windows lacks this feature.Jun 14 06:18
oiaohmMinceR: so going back windows is this you admitting you don't have a clue?Jun 14 06:18
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MinceRoiaohm: then go pay your beloved microsoft to implement itJun 14 06:21
oiaohmMinceR: Lets say you want to use opencl in a service to speed up processing. How are you going to do that safely without proper session separation framework.Jun 14 06:21
oiaohmMinceR: multi-seat is one part of a bigger set of features that is coming quite useful on servers.Jun 14 06:22
MinceRgood thing being able to boot, shutdown, launch services and log weren't at all useful on serversJun 14 06:22
oiaohmMinceR: microsoft thinks it a good idea to put all services in session 0 sharing resources kind turns out bad when something breaks Jun 14 06:22
MinceRyeah, don't share resourcesJun 14 06:23
MinceRrun every application on its own machineJun 14 06:23
MinceRlike they do on windowsJun 14 06:23
oiaohmMinceR: of course that is a minor improvement over using session1 with the primary logged in user.Jun 14 06:23
oiaohmMinceR: correct multi seat with correct device assement is something critically missing from windows.Jun 14 06:24
oiaohmMinceR: multiseat is not just about more keyboards, mice and screens.  Its about sessions.Jun 14 06:24
oiaohmMinceR: so what you are saying is that I should do stuff like windows where it does not have proper sessions.Jun 14 06:25
oiaohmMinceR: funny systemd in this area is really not windows.Jun 14 06:25
MinceRit's also not a server OSJun 14 06:26
oiaohmthis kind of session split first appears on AIXJun 14 06:26
MinceRfunny, i have yet to hear about multiseat desktops running AIXJun 14 06:26
oiaohmSo claiming it not a server feature is flawed.Jun 14 06:26
oiaohmAIX calls it mulit sessionJun 14 06:27
oiaohmDifferent name same featureJun 14 06:27
MinceRwell, at least the features you cancerd cultists are throwing out that people have used on servers for ages are not server features after allJun 14 06:27
MinceRit's great that you guys cleared that upJun 14 06:27
oiaohmmulti session is part of sevice isoluation under AIXJun 14 06:27
oiaohmSo when it does not have seat in the name it truly a server feature.Jun 14 06:28
*MinceR deletes the webserver and the system logs and plugs in 3 monitors, keyboards and miceJun 14 06:28
oiaohmMinceR: LOL idiot AIX box did not have that feature.Jun 14 06:29
oiaohmMinceR: so this is you seeing the seat and not seeing how it fits anywhere else.Jun 14 06:30
MinceRyeah, deterministic booting doesn't fit in the server roomJun 14 06:30
MinceRwho the hell wants their servers to boot reliably?Jun 14 06:30
MinceRscrew that, we'll just send Pajeet in to sit down in the data center and figure out on the console why the damn thing won't boot this timeJun 14 06:31
MinceRor just power cycle it until it comes upJun 14 06:31
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MinceRalso, have you retroactively removed the su binary from all AIX systems yet?Jun 14 06:32
oiaohmMinceR:  deterministic booting had been having trouble for a while.   Particularly on 32 cores and larger with system utilisation on boot.Jun 14 06:33
MinceRyou're supposed to use machinectl shell, dummyJun 14 06:33
MinceRyeah, it was trouble for those who insisted on doing parallel boot where it does not make senseJun 14 06:33
oiaohmProblem is most of the server rooms are not single core systems any more but multicores.   So boot has had to evolve to do parallel boot well.Jun 14 06:35
oiaohmThis is one of the features alternatives to systemd need to consider.Jun 14 06:35
MinceRno, you don't have to start services on parallel just because your system happens to have multiple coresJun 14 06:36
oiaohmmachinectl was not design to replace su.   It was designed for when using docker like instances.Jun 14 06:36
MinceRguess what, non-parallel boot has worked on multicore systems just fineJun 14 06:36
MinceRooh, it was not designed to replace su! have you told poettering about that? he doesn't seem to be aware of it.Jun 14 06:36
oiaohmMinceR: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/machinectl.html read the first line.Jun 14 06:37
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MinceR(though "design" is a bit of a strong word for this haphazard mess you keep advertising here)Jun 14 06:37
oiaohmmachinectl may be used to introspect and control the state of the systemd(1) virtual machine and container registration managerJun 14 06:37
oiaohmSo it was not designed to replace suJun 14 06:37
oiaohmthat some people have found it can be used in that way is another matter.Jun 14 06:37
MinceRhttps://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/825#issuecomment-127917622Jun 14 06:38
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oiaohmMinceR: read that careful.   What su and sudo do is not clearly define was disputed before systemd existed.Jun 14 06:41
MinceRadmins somehow managed to use themJun 14 06:41
MinceRquite successfully, in factJun 14 06:41
MinceRsomehow, they worked reliably without replacing pid1 with a backdoorJun 14 06:41
oiaohmMinceR: what machineclt was designed to do was nsenter and su in combination in a predictable outcome way.Jun 14 06:41
MinceRcancerd's behavior is many things. predictable is not one of those things.Jun 14 06:42
oiaohmMinceR: docker reports issues with nsenter and su and sudo before systemd particularly when you have PID namespace.Jun 14 06:42
MinceRthen don't use docker?Jun 14 06:43
oiaohmnixos containtainers, lxc also showed the same kind of problems.Jun 14 06:43
oiaohmSo there was a bug there.Jun 14 06:43
MinceRthen don't use nsenter?Jun 14 06:44
oiaohmSo don't use shell inside a container to see what is going on???Jun 14 06:44
oiaohmThat is what you have suggested not using nsenterJun 14 06:45
MinceRdon't use a container implementation in production if it isn't ready for production useJun 14 06:45
oiaohmbecause you did not have anything else before machinectl todo itJun 14 06:45
oiaohmThis is one of these cases of a item needing a fork.Jun 14 06:45
MinceRbut yeah, this idea is not good because it's not destructive enoughJun 14 06:45
MinceRyou've got to kill off a few gnu/linux distros in an attempt to make your half-baked bullshit workJun 14 06:46
oiaohmThe stuff before was half backed as well.Jun 14 06:46
MinceRhell, even if cancerd worked as well as you keep insisting (which it does not), the project would still deserve to die and be forgotten for their attitude, trickery and destructivenessJun 14 06:46
oiaohmSo half-baked so people would not use container because they were not stable enough.Jun 14 06:46
MinceRthe stuff before didn't destroy our systemsJun 14 06:47
sebsebsebMinceR: Oh Apple, oH Apple, what a  lovely tech company, or not, but that HUngarian guy thinks so, oh yes Apple AppleJun 14 06:47
MinceRsebsebseb: crApple is not a tech company, it's a cultJun 14 06:47
sebsebseboiaohm: hows down under, has Apple invavded it too much like here as well ? : dJun 14 06:47
oiaohmsebsebseb: Apple not that popular in Australia as it really had to find a shop to get anything.Jun 14 06:48
sebsebseboh?Jun 14 06:48
sebsebsebMinceR: no your cool if you have a  Iphone or Ipad :dJun 14 06:48
sebsebseband use itJun 14 06:48
sebsebseba lotJun 14 06:48
oiaohmsebsebseb: like its nothing to be 200 kms to the nearest apple repair place.Jun 14 06:48
sebsebsebso they are nearJun 14 06:49
sebsebsebor not so near ?Jun 14 06:49
MinceRsebsebseb: these?   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_iPhone   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujitsu_iPADJun 14 06:49
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MinceRi don't see what's so special about themJun 14 06:49
oiaohmsebsebseb: 2-4 hours drive to just get a apple using person to look at something.Jun 14 06:49
oiaohmMinceR: really any change I think you would have been upset.Jun 14 06:50
sebsebseboiaohm: ohJun 14 06:50
MinceRoiaohm: no, not all change involves destroying everything in sightJun 14 06:50
sebsebsebMinceR: its android or apple in the main streameJun 14 06:50
MinceRoiaohm: also not all change involves building in an NSA backdoorJun 14 06:50
oiaohmMinceR: systemd did not destroy anything for me.Jun 14 06:50
sebsebsebMinceR: everything else has little or no market shareJun 14 06:50
MinceRsebsebseb: so what?Jun 14 06:51
oiaohmsebsebseb: android and strange and horible windows tablets are more common than ipad stuff.Jun 14 06:51
oiaohmsebsebseb: windows tablets are pure nasty.Jun 14 06:52
sebsebsebMinceR: oh Microsoft oh MicrosoftJun 14 06:52
sebsebseboiaohm: appanratly Windows phone isn't that awful really!Jun 14 06:52
MinceRit's even more awfulJun 14 06:52
MinceRespecially if you consider that winblows mobile sucked lessJun 14 06:52
sebsebsebits a bit eh, unless it supports continumemJun 14 06:52
MinceRand they killed that for its sakeJun 14 06:52
oiaohmsebsebseb: wait until they have seen one to many wifi networks.Jun 14 06:52
MinceRwhat's m$ "support" worth anyway?Jun 14 06:52
sebsebseboiaohm: which windows phone ?Jun 14 06:52
MinceRif you don't have armed forces on hand to kill them off, they won't care about the problems they've caused for youJun 14 06:53
MinceRthey already have your money, and they'll take your money again, and againJun 14 06:53
oiaohmsebsebseb: windows 8-10 phones have the same problem.   When the table of known wifi networks get filled they start nicely dropping wifi connections at random.Jun 14 06:53
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Project Sputnik: crazy idea to community driven developer...'Jun 14 16:15
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Free software campaign signs up future French MPs...'Jun 14 16:16
*TweetTuxMachines @WigginsMichael favourited 'Free software campaign signs up future French MPs...'Jun 14 16:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875084686560829440Jun 14 16:21
TweetTuxMachines                 #KDE #Plasma 5.10.2 Desktop Environment Brings ManyJun 14 16:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Plasma Discover Improvements https://t.co/VQYBld50pyJun 14 16:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #freeswJun 14 16:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875085619394949121Jun 14 16:21
TweetTuxMachines                 #Parrot #Security OS Devs Mock systemd: It's an ImmatureJun 14 16:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Init System for GNU/Linux https://t.co/0MLu7jdfLcJun 14 16:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #systemd #initJun 14 16:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.10.2 Desktop Environment Brings Many Plasma Discover Improvements | Tux MachinesJun 14 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Parrot Security OS Devs Mock systemd: It's an Immature Init System for GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesJun 14 16:22
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#KDE #Plasma 5.10.2 Desktop Environment Brings Many Plasma...'Jun 14 16:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Let's hope that Corbyn's Labour will never...'Jun 14 16:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn You have managed to turn some enemies...'Jun 14 16:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn You have managed to turn...'Jun 14 16:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks If Theresa May does not resign and...'Jun 14 16:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks If Theresa May does not...'Jun 14 16:28
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @RandPaul Meanwhile in KSA... https://t.co/ehC2NUZe6c'Jun 14 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @wikileaks @RandPaul Meanwhile in KSA... https://t.co/ehC2NUZe6cJun 14 16:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875090550399127556Jun 14 16:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #Samsung setting the foundation for #Tizen growth inJun 14 16:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #Vietnam https://t.co/irrGj35DZg (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 14 16:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #tizenos #gnu #linux #asiaJun 14 16:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung setting the foundation for Tizen growth in Vietnam | Tux MachinesJun 14 16:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875090758289719296Jun 14 16:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Candy: the Verbification of Video ChatJun 14 16:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/UWTc6SwK5I (www.tuxmachines.org) #androidJun 14 16:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 14 16:42
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Samsung setting the foundation for #Tizen growth in...'Jun 14 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Candy: the Verbification of Video Chat | Tux MachinesJun 14 16:42
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Candy: the Verbification of Video Chat https://t.co/UWTc6SwK5I...'Jun 14 16:45
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#KDE #Plasma 5.10.2 Desktop Environment Brings Many Plasma...'Jun 14 16:45
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Parrot #Security OS Devs Mock systemd: It's an...'Jun 14 16:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875091767971991558Jun 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #Samsung launches Tizen 3.0 powered QLED SignageJun 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/KzNFm8dJrA (www.tuxmachines.org) #tizenJun 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #tizenOS #gnu #linuxJun 14 16:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung launches Tizen 3.0 powered QLED Signage | Tux MachinesJun 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875091997031362560Jun 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #vista10 vs. #Linux #OpenGL Performance On #Kabylake -Jun 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Summer 2017 https://t.co/iRNaH3hIOx (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #benchmark #gnu #linuxJun 14 16:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Windows 10 vs. Linux OpenGL Performance On Kabylake - Summer 2017 | Tux MachinesJun 14 16:46
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#BlackArch #Linux Ethical Hacking and Pen Testing OS...'Jun 14 16:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Candy: the Verbification of Video Chat https://t.co/UWTc6SwK5I...'Jun 14 16:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Samsung setting the foundation for #Tizen growth in...'Jun 14 16:48
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#UBports Launch First Stable #UbuntuTouch #OTA Update for...'Jun 14 16:48
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#KDE #Plasma 5.10.2 Desktop Environment Brings Many Plasma...'Jun 14 16:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Awesome mother. Not many mothers are both...'Jun 14 17:04
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Awesome mother. Not many mothers...'Jun 14 17:04
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Trump will be throwing no party......'Jun 14 17:04
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Trump will be throwing ...'Jun 14 17:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Credico2016 @wikileaks @WBAI @TheTakeaway @jamifloyd @errollouis @CNN @NBCNews...'Jun 14 17:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Credico2016 @wikileaks @WBAI @TheTakeaway @jamifloyd @errollouis...'Jun 14 17:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PartlyPatriot @wikileaks She might be pushed though.'Jun 14 17:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited 'The man is just being exploited by #battistelli...'Jun 14 17:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: The man is just being exploited...'Jun 14 17:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '#Pattenttrolls cause “direct economic harm” to small startups...'Jun 14 17:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @U4PatentReform: #Pattenttrolls cause “direct economic harm” to...'Jun 14 17:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: "Software patents in the last decade...'Jun 14 17:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '"Software patents in the last decade have skyrocketed."...'Jun 14 17:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875098851040006144Jun 14 17:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/YApAyxq1RXJun 14 17:16
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android  #linux #googleJun 14 17:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 14 17:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/875099488335126528Jun 14 17:16
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Samsung launches Tizen 3.0 powered QLED SignageJun 14 17:16
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/KzNFm8dJrA (www.tuxmachines.org) #tizenJun 14 17:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #tizenOS #gnu #linuxJun 14 17:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung launches Tizen 3.0 powered QLED Signage | Tux MachinesJun 14 17:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/875099517674192896Jun 14 17:16
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #vista10 vs. #Linux #OpenGL Performance On #Kabylake -Jun 14 17:16
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Summer 2017 https://t.co/iRNaH3hIOx (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 14 17:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #benchmark #gnu #linuxJun 14 17:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Windows 10 vs. Linux OpenGL Performance On Kabylake - Summer 2017 | Tux MachinesJun 14 17:16
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/YApAyxq1RX #android #linux #google'Jun 14 17:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/875099909996851200Jun 14 17:18
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Parrot #Security OS Devs Mock systemd: It's an ImmatureJun 14 17:18
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Init System for GNU/Linux https://t.co/0MLu7jdfLcJun 14 17:18
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #systemd #initJun 14 17:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Parrot Security OS Devs Mock systemd: It's an Immature Init System for GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesJun 14 17:18
MinceRit's not an init systemJun 14 17:30
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/04QgdJun 14 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Scintillating Hilarious Funny Random Meme Dump - Album on ImgurJun 14 17:32
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*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#Parrot #Security OS Devs Mock systemd: It's an...'Jun 14 17:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875106363000709120Jun 14 17:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #Q4OS 1.8.6, Orion https://t.co/TIquCIK6WwJun 14 17:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux release.Jun 14 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Q4OS 1.8.6, Orion | Tux MachinesJun 14 17:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Q4OS 1.8.6, Orion https://t.co/TIquCIK6Ww #gnu #linux release.'Jun 14 17:46
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DaaemonFCFedora updated Mutter to the latest git commit for the 3.24 branch and clobbered a bunch of bugs.Jun 14 19:09
DaaemonFCHooray.Jun 14 19:09
DaaemonFCMinceR, So, apparently Walmart overtorqued my oil drain plug last time I had an oil change.Jun 14 19:09
DaaemonFCNow I have to take it to the shop to see what the damage is.Jun 14 19:10
DaaemonFCThe guy at the shop said bring it by on Monday and he'll try to get it out.Jun 14 19:10
DaaemonFCHoping that's possible. God, what kind of idiots do they have working at Walmart?Jun 14 19:10
DaaemonFCWho puts an oil drain plug on with an impact wrench!?Jun 14 19:11
DaaemonFCHmm, came across an article from Ted T'so.Jun 14 19:16
DaaemonFCSays he recommends noatime for ext2/3/4 on SSDs to get writes down. He notes that there really aren't many downsides unless you run mutt, and even then you can work around it.Jun 14 19:16
DaaemonFCI had wondered. I use noatime personally.Jun 14 19:17
DaaemonFCI think that turning read operations into writes is dumb.Jun 14 19:17
DaaemonFCI always used noatime even when I had a hard disk, even before relatime got added.Jun 14 19:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/875107280114651137Jun 14 19:23
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Q4OS 1.8.6, Orion https://t.co/TIquCIK6WwJun 14 19:23
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux release.Jun 14 19:23
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:23
DaaemonFChttps://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/ChangeLog-4.11.5Jun 14 19:24
DaaemonFCFedora packages are already available in Koji. Jun 14 19:24
DaaemonFCSeems to fix power management on my Intel HD Audio.Jun 14 19:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875131606251565057Jun 14 19:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers: #Microsoft #PowerShell Threat,Jun 14 19:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #DevSecOps, #Botnets, #USB, and Death of Microsoft'sJun 14 19:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #Docscom https://t.co/UEFH91dhSb (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 14 19:25
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers: Microsoft PowerShell Threat, DevSecOps, Botnets, USB, and Death of Microsoft's Docs.com | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875132009756200960Jun 14 19:26
TweetTuxMachines                 #LLVM 5.0, #CPP 14, R and #Travis https://t.co/GR5utZhBi5Jun 14 19:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #programming #compilerJun 14 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LLVM 5.0, C++14, R and Travis | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:26
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:26
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: #Microsoft #PowerShell Threat, #DevSecOps, #Botnets, #USB,...'Jun 14 19:27
DaaemonFCMinceR, The problem with Microsoft infiltrating Linux isn't really Red Hat.Jun 14 19:28
DaaemonFCThey bought themselves a membership at the Linux Foundation, which takes their money even as Linux gets locked out of more computers.Jun 14 19:29
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#LLVM 5.0, #CPP 14, R and #Travis https://t.co/GR5utZhBi5...'Jun 14 19:29
DaaemonFCThis came some time after they got rid of their only board member with no corporate affiliation.Jun 14 19:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875133127919902720Jun 14 19:31
TweetTuxMachines                 #FOSS FUD and #Microsoft #EntryismJun 14 19:31
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/DnUkpmpN6v (www.tuxmachines.org) #blackduckJun 14 19:31
TweetTuxMachines                 #fud #whitesource  #iot #CloudFoundryJun 14 19:31
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FOSS FUD and Microsoft Entryism | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875133517260259329Jun 14 19:32
TweetTuxMachines                 #Mozilla Launches Campaign, Releases #Firefox 54Jun 14 19:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/xfojobwVNA (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 14 19:32
TweetTuxMachines                 #internet #wwwJun 14 19:32
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Launches Campaign, Releases Firefox 54 | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:32
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FOSS FUD and #Microsoft #Entryism https://t.co/DnUkpmpN6v #blackduck #fud...'Jun 14 19:32
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Mozilla Launches Campaign, Releases #Firefox 54 https://t.co/xfojobwVNA #freesw...'Jun 14 19:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875134228219998208Jun 14 19:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Events: 2017 Maintainer and #Kernel Summit, #DebConf 17,Jun 14 19:35
TweetTuxMachines                 #PyLadies #Pune, and Recent Talks https://t.co/mFvXwc9yS8Jun 14 19:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #india #linux #pythonJun 14 19:35
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Events: 2017 Maintainer and Kernel Summit, DebConf 17, PyLadies Pune, and Recent Talks | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875134577274220544Jun 14 19:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: #FOSS and #Sharing https://t.co/pVPZY1trj9Jun 14 19:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw #softwareJun 14 19:36
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS and Sharing | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:36
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Events: 2017 Maintainer and #Kernel Summit, #DebConf 17,...'Jun 14 19:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Leftovers: #FOSS and #Sharing https://t.co/pVPZY1trj9 #freesw #software'Jun 14 19:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875135648470061056Jun 14 19:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Debian Derivatives: #Debian at #Collabora, #Tails 3.0Jun 14 19:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Released https://t.co/6MapFgjtRG (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 14 19:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #tor #gnu #linux #freedom #anonymity #privacyJun 14 19:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Derivatives: Debian at Collabora, Tails 3.0 Released | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875136126205517826Jun 14 19:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu: #Ubuntu Phone, #Unity 8, New #Kernel, New #SnapsJun 14 19:42
TweetTuxMachines                 and #Yunit https://t.co/Jr32OYSN1E (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 14 19:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #canonicalJun 14 19:42
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: Ubuntu Phone, Unity 8, New Kernel, New Snaps and Yunit | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:42
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Debian Derivatives: #Debian at #Collabora, #Tails 3.0 Released...'Jun 14 19:42
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu: #Ubuntu Phone, #Unity 8, New #Kernel, New...'Jun 14 19:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875136714607558656Jun 14 19:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Prince Sultan University and Money for #RedHatJun 14 19:46
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/fcjrjh2xcE (www.tuxmachines.org) #ksa #gnuJun 14 19:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux  #freeswJun 14 19:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Prince Sultan University and Money for Red Hat | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875137303974469634Jun 14 19:47
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/AyXm7sXGAHJun 14 19:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #gnu #linux #unixJun 14 19:47
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu: #Ubuntu Phone, #Unity 8, New #Kernel, New...'Jun 14 19:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Debian Derivatives: #Debian at #Collabora, #Tails 3.0 Released...'Jun 14 19:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Beezel_Bug favourited 'Ubuntu: #Ubuntu Phone, #Unity 8, New #Kernel, New...'Jun 14 19:47
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Prince Sultan University and Money for #RedHat https://t.co/fcjrjh2xcE...'Jun 14 19:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/AyXm7sXGAH #howto #gnu #linux #unix'Jun 14 19:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875137967576272897Jun 14 19:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #Games and Wine on GNU/Linux https://t.co/tbATzjWm2wJun 14 19:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gaming #gnu #linux #wineJun 14 19:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games and Wine on GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:49
*TweetTuxMachines @theFreedomCards favourited 'Debian Derivatives: #Debian at #Collabora, #Tails 3.0 Released...'Jun 14 19:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875138694902099968Jun 14 19:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: #Software https://t.co/v3SJnlfYp5Jun 14 19:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw  #Ayatana #TurrisOmniaJun 14 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #Nautilus #Komorebi #GNOME #Fengtao #WPSOfficeJun 14 19:52
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Games and Wine on GNU/Linux https://t.co/tbATzjWm2w #gaming #gnu...'Jun 14 19:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Leftovers: #Software https://t.co/v3SJnlfYp5 #freesw #Ayatana #TurrisOmnia #Nautilus...'Jun 14 19:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875139419946323968Jun 14 19:55
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux, #Graphics, and #LinuxFoundationJun 14 19:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/AcOKa6PYOj (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnuJun 14 19:55
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswJun 14 19:55
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux, Graphics, and Linux Foundation | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875139578222522368Jun 14 19:57
TweetTuxMachines                 today's #tuxmachines leftovers https://t.co/Kdzv2ClSGqJun 14 19:57
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 14 19:57
TweetTuxMachines Jun 14 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 14 19:57
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Linux, #Graphics, and #LinuxFoundation https://t.co/AcOKa6PYOj #gnu #freesw'Jun 14 19:57
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DaemonFCHmm, using Pidgin.Jun 14 21:03
DaemonFCThe IRC helper plugins really help a lot. Also, someone figured out how to make Facebook Chat work again with Purple Facebook.Jun 14 21:03
DaemonFCschestowitz: Did you see Torvalds' group photo with Microsoft?Jun 14 21:04
DaemonFCSeems like Microsoft is gaining influence with just about everyone in the Free Software circles these days.Jun 14 21:05
DaemonFCNot to be used for anything good, but it's like some Ra's al Ghul shit going on.Jun 14 21:06
DaemonFC"Your city is so corrupt that we were able to infiltrate all levels of your government."Jun 14 21:06
DaemonFC:PJun 14 21:06
DaemonFCReiserFS got some small updates in 4.11.5.Jun 14 21:23
DaemonFCI guess its still there for legacy reasons.Jun 14 21:23
DaemonFCSUSE rushed to make it default and managed to get it merged.Jun 14 21:24
DaemonFCSo there may be some old systems out there that still use it.Jun 14 21:24
DaemonFCIt's been 11 years since SUSE switched to Ext3 (now uses Ext4), so maybe it's time to consider retiring it?Jun 14 21:24
DaemonFCI would be using XFS on this laptop except that it's not possible to shrink an existing file system. You have to xfsdump/xfsrestore.Jun 14 21:25
DaemonFCBut if you're doing a single desktop install with everything on one partition (Ubuntu style) and never plan to mess with it again, that might be a good use case for XFS.Jun 14 21:26
DaemonFCThe performance of XFS is better in most cases than Ext4,. Ext4 just got some XFS features tacked onto existing Ext3 code.Jun 14 21:26
DaemonFCRed Hat recommends XFS over Ext4 for volumes over 16 TB, even though Ext4 is capable of much larger volumes.Jun 14 21:27
DaemonFCBut that doesn't affect me. (500 GB SSD)Jun 14 21:28
DaemonFCLinux is pretty smallish compared with Windows.Jun 14 21:28
DaemonFCEven with everything I install, I'm sitting at 11/50 GB used on /.Jun 14 21:28
DaemonFCWindows 10 is roughly 40 GB, and that's *after* Microsoft compressed a ton of the folders and caused a performance overhead of dealing with them.Jun 14 21:29
DaemonFCIt would be much larger than that otherwise.Jun 14 21:29
DaemonFCThey need to go on a deleting spree and tell you sorry that Word 95 might not work anymore.Jun 14 21:30
DaemonFC:PJun 14 21:30
DaemonFCBut they never will.Jun 14 21:30
DaemonFCBtrFS is just a huge disappointment. Jun 14 21:31
DaemonFCThe performance sucks and this is after several years of being declared stable.Jun 14 21:32
cubexyzI guess lsx is the champ for being the smallest osJun 14 21:34
cubexyztwo 256K imagesJun 14 21:34
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cubexyzI've got no idea how much disk space I got on lsxJun 14 22:00
cubexyzit took me a while just to get to cc to compileJun 14 22:00
cubexyzthe kernel is 11,272 bytesJun 14 22:05
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cubexyzlsx is where BKUNIX came fromJun 14 22:12
cubexyzhttp://rk86.com/frolov/bk0011.htmJun 14 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rk86.com | Elektronika BK 0011 (?????? ?? 0011)Jun 14 22:15
cubexyzPDP-11/03, probably the least powerful of all the PDP-11 seriesJun 14 22:19
cubexyzyou could have bought a Heathkit H11 computer in 1978Jun 14 22:20
cubexyz$1295 US dollars at the timeJun 14 22:20
cubexyzthat's the kit... you still had to put it togetherJun 14 22:21
cubexyzso yes, I think one could run lsx on the H11Jun 14 22:27
cubexyzeven had RX01 compatible 8" floppy drives, like the PDP-11/03Jun 14 22:28
cubexyzquite the collector's item nowJun 14 22:29
cubexyzbut the compile for lsx does workJun 14 22:30
cubexyzcompilerJun 14 22:30
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DaemonFCoiaohm: Regarding Wayland again....I notice that my system is faster and more stable with fewer odd behaviors under X.Jun 15 00:14
DaemonFCI guess it's crap, but it's crap that's as old as I am.Jun 15 00:15
DaemonFCThey've had some time to fix it up.Jun 15 00:15
DaemonFCI see that Wayland is making progress.Jun 15 00:15
DaemonFCA year ago, I'm told that 2D games were slideshows.Jun 15 00:15
DaemonFCcubexyz: I think that Reiser4 would have worked out better than BtrFS.Jun 15 00:20
DaemonFCThe code existed, it did what it did, and they could have forked it and called it something else.Jun 15 00:20
oiaohmDaemonFC:  really the work fixing for wayland is also removing crap out of X11 applicaitons as well.Jun 15 00:20
oiaohmDaemonFC: so wayland work I see as required work to clean up existing messes.Jun 15 00:21
DaemonFCoiaohm: Yeah, I noticed a bunch of cleanup patches that removed support for things like Linux 2.4 on PowerPC.Jun 15 00:21
DaemonFCI was like "Who is using modern X on Linux 2.4 on PowerPC in 2016?"Jun 15 00:21
cubexyzI use linux 2.4, but not powerpc :)Jun 15 00:22
cubexyzalso linux 2.2 Jun 15 00:22
DaemonFCAll sorts of garbage that nobody ever took out.Jun 15 00:22
oiaohmcubexyz: with a modern X11 server?Jun 15 00:22
DaemonFCcubexyz: Well, probably not with X Server 1.17.Jun 15 00:22
DaemonFCYou'd have to be using Linux 2.4 with a modern X server on PowerPC. I don't even know if that's possible.Jun 15 00:23
cubexyzXFree86 4.3.0Jun 15 00:23
DaemonFCProbably nobody does.Jun 15 00:23
oiaohmLike really 4.9 and newer kernels work on old PowerPC hardware.Jun 15 00:23
cubexyzis that modern enough for you? :)Jun 15 00:23
oiaohmX.org has become filled with stuff to support combinations that really no one should ever use.Jun 15 00:24
DaemonFCNo, the last time I ran XFree86 was 2004.Jun 15 00:24
DaemonFCIt was on Ubuntu 4.10.Jun 15 00:24
DaemonFCThe Live CD was separate from the installer CD.Jun 15 00:24
DaemonFCYou could check out a demo of the system in Live mode but you had to insert CD 2 and install using the Debian installer.Jun 15 00:24
cubexyzoh and I also use XFree86 3.3.3 sometimesJun 15 00:25
DaemonFCThey just changed it to say Ubuntu and pull in either the Server or Desktop packages.Jun 15 00:25
DaemonFCNo KDE or anything.Jun 15 00:25
cubexyzI have an interest in historical XJun 15 00:25
DaemonFCIt was a very rough release.Jun 15 00:25
oiaohmcubexyz: you like running historic systems.    running stuff for production there are combinations that just should never exist.Jun 15 00:25
oiaohmSo like X11 currentl that is currently supported running on a not currently supported kernel should not really happen.Jun 15 00:26
DaemonFCI thought it was pretty cool though. They sent me a disk set and I checked it out on a PC I was running Windows XP on and Ubuntu ran so much better that I stopped and backed up all my files and installed Ubuntu and let it take over the entire disk.Jun 15 00:26
cubexyzCanonical used to mail out free CDsJun 15 00:26
cubexyzI think they stopped doing that thoughJun 15 00:26
DaemonFCYep, I think I have them somewhere.Jun 15 00:26
DaemonFCThey did.Jun 15 00:27
DaemonFCThey used to send you x86 32 and 64-bit and PowerPC Mac.Jun 15 00:27
DaemonFCThen they dropped you to a limit of one order. Then they dropped PowerPC Mac from the default. Then they eventually dropped the PPC arch entirely, at least officially.Jun 15 00:28
DaemonFCI know there's Intel Mac images still.Jun 15 00:28
DaemonFCLots of people like to buy Macs and run Linux on them for some reason.Jun 15 00:28
DaemonFCI don't think it's *legal* for Apple to void the hardware warranty because of it, but they'll probably try to anyway.Jun 15 00:29
oiaohmReally Macs running Linux is kind of torture.Jun 15 00:29
cubexyzthere's some DEC aficionados that still run Vax and PDP-11Jun 15 00:29
cubexyzso I'm not the most impractical :)Jun 15 00:29
DaemonFCoiaohm: Doesn't Linux have to have an HFS+ boot partition and identify as Mac OS to boot?Jun 15 00:29
oiaohmMostly they buy a Mac then they find out their software is limited then go desperation.Jun 15 00:29
cubexyzI'm only running emulators for thatJun 15 00:29
DaemonFCThe HFS+ driver in Linux is not exactly something you want to use as a production system. It's probably good enough for an EFI boot partition.Jun 15 00:30
DaemonFCmacOS sucks.Jun 15 00:31
DaemonFCThey "deprecated" OpenGL and left it at 4.2.Jun 15 00:31
DaemonFCSo the only way to make your app perform is port it to Metal.Jun 15 00:32
DaemonFCIt's blackmail.Jun 15 00:32
oiaohmhttps://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple  Really the instructions change based on what apple hardware it is.Jun 15 00:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.debian.org | InstallingDebianOn/Apple - Debian Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/r04dv ]Jun 15 00:32
DaemonFCApple doesn't allow third party OpenGL or Vulkan driver. At least you can install one on Windows.Jun 15 00:32
oiaohmLinux you do have options of more than 1 opengl driver.Jun 15 00:32
DaemonFCSo all of those older video game ports to Mac on Steam that the developers have in maintenance mode are never going to be ported.Jun 15 00:33
DaemonFCSo their performance won't get better.Jun 15 00:33
DaemonFCMesa supports Vulkan, but each release continues to optimize OpenGL too, so old apps run better over time.Jun 15 00:33
oiaohmhttps://moltengl.com/  yep want standard conforming opengl/vulkan on mac hardware pay.Jun 15 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-moltengl.com | Molten – Vulkan and faster OpenGL ES on iOS and macOSJun 15 00:34
DaemonFCit says ESJun 15 00:34
oiaohmDaemonFC: the opengl is still cut back.Jun 15 00:34
oiaohmDaemonFC: https://mesamatrix.net/  ES does hide a few very useful extensions.Jun 15 00:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mesamatrix.net | The OpenGL vs Mesa matrixJun 15 00:35
DaemonFCoiaohm: I understand there's a feature in Fedora at least that has a stub in place of libgl.so.1 that redirects to the proper version based on the drivers you use.Jun 15 00:40
DaemonFCIt apparently is to solve the Nvidia driver clobbers Mesa's libgl problem that has been around since forever.Jun 15 00:41
DaemonFChttps://sunweavers.net/blog/node/58Jun 15 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sunweavers.net | Ayatana Indicators | sunweaver's NETJun 15 00:52
DaemonFCGood. It was crap anyway.Jun 15 00:52
DaemonFCGNOME's default tray behavior is horrible but you can load the TopIcons Plus extension and put them back up where the system tray used to be.Jun 15 00:52
oiaohmDaemonFC: https://github.com/NVIDIA/libglvnd  there is work to cure the libgl.so.1 clobber problem for good.Jun 15 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - NVIDIA/libglvnd: The GL Vendor-Neutral Dispatch libraryJun 15 01:01
oiaohmDaemonFC: the old alternative solution of altering the libgl.so.1 link fails badly on PRIME systems when you have intel graphics and Nvidia closed source both needing opengl drivers at the same time.Jun 15 01:02
oiaohmDaemonFC: so this leads to libglvnd being a proper dispatch system.Jun 15 01:03
DaemonFCoiaohm: I wonder how hard writing a GTK+ 3 theme is.Jun 15 01:03
DaemonFCI see a lot of them, but no ports of Nodoka or Nimbus.Jun 15 01:04
DaemonFCTwo of the best themes for GNOME 2.Jun 15 01:04
MinceR15 011650 < DaaemonFC> Says he recommends noatime for ext2/3/4 on SSDs to get writes down. He notes that there really aren't many downsides unless you run mutt, and Jun 15 01:05
MinceR                       even then you can work around it.Jun 15 01:05
MinceRis it even worth worrying about writes to SSDs now?Jun 15 01:05
DaemonFCMinceR: Well, they're pointless writes.Jun 15 01:05
MinceRafaik they can take a ridiculous number of writes already, if they live long enoughJun 15 01:05
MinceRand firmware bugs are more likely to kill them offJun 15 01:06
oiaohmDaemonFC: Vulkan in standard mandates existence of a dispatch system. Jun 15 01:06
DaemonFCSo there's that, and they cause CPU and disk activity which can prevent modern mobile platforms from more time in deep sleep.Jun 15 01:06
MinceRor they just reach a limit in their counter and give up (intel)Jun 15 01:06
MinceR15 065227 < DaemonFC> GNOME's default tray behavior is horribleJun 15 01:08
MinceRdid they pull a shuttlecock? :>Jun 15 01:08
DaemonFCMinceR: "Legacy" system tray icons are put in this little widget on the bottom left that expands out when you mouseover it.Jun 15 01:10
DaemonFCTopIcons Plus puts them back where they would be in GNOME 2.Jun 15 01:10
MinceR:>Jun 15 01:10
MinceRwhat do they have instead of "legacy" system tray?Jun 15 01:10
DaemonFCMinceR: All the system stuff in one menu.Jun 15 01:11
DaemonFCBut you can alter how it behaves with MOAR extensions.Jun 15 01:11
DaemonFCI have about 15 of them loaded to make GNOME 3 usable again.Jun 15 01:11
DaemonFCThere's like 80-90 of them listed in Software on Fedora.Jun 15 01:12
DaemonFCI use the top panel but I use Dash To Dock on the bottom set to intelligently hide.Jun 15 01:13
DaemonFCGives me back some monitor space.Jun 15 01:13
MinceR:)Jun 15 01:13
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/8K6tMoo.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/tlc5G )Jun 15 01:41
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MinceRhttps://xkcd.com/1840/Jun 15 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Genetic Testing ResultsJun 15 01:51
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MinceRhttp://assets.amuniversal.com/9be29620fd89013486fb005056a9545d   (sauce: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-05-21 )Jun 15 02:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-05-21 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsJun 15 02:30
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TechDefenderHello, anybody here?  my friend is looking for help.  Looking for Lawyers to help in suing Microsoft, and appealing a caseJun 15 03:38
TechDefenderBesides the EFF, where is a good place to look for that kind of help?Jun 15 03:38
TechDefenderAlso, is there a better way to contact TechRights, besides IRC?  all i see is PGP key, but no email address..Jun 15 03:42
TechDefenderhello?Jun 15 03:56
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schestowitz[02:04] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Did you see Torvalds' group photo with Microsoft?Jun 15 04:30
schestowitzOnly Microsoft or a large group photo, which happens to include them?Jun 15 04:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/875268603704168449Jun 15 04:30
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Links 14/6/2017: New #BlackArch Linux ISO and #Q4OSJun 15 04:30
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    1.8.6, Orion https://t.co/8p54LchZ7U (techrights.org)Jun 15 04:30
TweetTuxMachines                 #techrights #gnu #linuxJun 15 04:30
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schestowitzI remember his Vista 7 photo op in Japan...Jun 15 04:30
TechDefenderHello,  my friend is looking for help.  Looking for Lawyers to help in suing Microsoft, and appealing a caseJun 15 04:31
schestowitzTechDefender: hiJun 15 04:31
schestowitzwhat's the nature of this case?Jun 15 04:31
TechDefenderRestore CDsJun 15 04:31
schestowitzwhich country are you in if you don't mind me askingJun 15 04:32
TechDefenderWhich are free to download.  but they are saying it is not free (akin to an actual Windows CD)Jun 15 04:33
TechDefenderUSAJun 15 04:33
schestowitzI once spoke to a lawyer here who won a case against MicrosoftJun 15 04:33
TechDefenderyayJun 15 04:33
schestowitzrecent: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/230794-woman-wins-10000-judgment-against-microsoft-for-forced-windows-10-upgradeJun 15 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Woman wins $10,000 judgment against Microsoft for forced Windows 10 upgrade - ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/r05ia ]Jun 15 04:33
schestowitzmaybe pursue this same lawyerJun 15 04:33
TechDefenderNiceJun 15 04:33
schestowitzas in her caseJun 15 04:34
schestowitzhttp://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft/microsoft-draws-flak-for-pushing-windows-10-on-pc-users/Jun 15 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.seattletimes.com | Microsoft draws flak for pushing Windows 10 on PC users | The Seattle Times [ http://ur1.ca/pf97k ]Jun 15 04:34
schestowitz"The Seattle Times reports that Teri Goldstein, of Sausalito, California, sued Microsoft after a failed Windows 10 upgrade left her system performing poorly, prone to crashing, and reportedly unusable for multiple days. Given the general issues associated with performing in-place upgrades, even successful ones, it’s not surprising that some users would run into problems. Goldstein reached out to Microsoft customer service to attempt to Jun 15 04:34
schestowitzresolve her issues, but filed suit against the company once it failed to resolve her problems. Her $10,000 figure reflected estimated lost compensation as well as the cost of a new system."Jun 15 04:34
TechDefenderthank you.   on TechRights.org  , what are their emails?Jun 15 04:34
TechDefenderalso, who is there to contact besides the EFF?Jun 15 04:34
schestowitzEFF doesn't go after MicrosoftJun 15 04:35
schestowitzThey'r cowardly on the matterJun 15 04:35
schestowitzsame for AppleJun 15 04:36
schestowitzyou can try doctorow@craphound.comJun 15 04:36
TechDefenderYes, a few at the EFF , seem disinterested, but the EFF, is big... so the must be someone there interested in the caseJun 15 04:36
schestowitzesp. it it concerns DRM somehowJun 15 04:36
schestowitzDoctorow is with the EFFJun 15 04:37
schestowitzhe's a Ubuntu user, hates MicrosofgtJun 15 04:37
TechDefenderi like his speechesJun 15 04:37
TechDefenderthanks for his email.  should i tell him u sent me? or just that i found his email on the internet?Jun 15 04:38
schestowitzit's OKJun 15 04:38
schestowitzwhicheverJun 15 04:39
schestowitzgo get em (Microsoft)Jun 15 04:39
schestowitzlet us know fi you need infoJun 15 04:40
TechDefenderyes,, any help is appreciated..  not just  lawyers, also PR, kinda stuffJun 15 04:40
schestowitzwe have a repository of about 10k microsoft-centric articles, plus some leaked evidence from them cataloguedJun 15 04:40
schestowitznegative publicity for them helps FOSSJun 15 04:41
schestowitzand helps protect FOSS from their mole, entryism, EEEJun 15 04:41
TechDefenderWhat is the best way to communicate with you guys?  IRC?  email, phone, etc?Jun 15 04:41
schestowitzas many have been sold the lie of "new Microsoft", which is laughable (a PR campaign)Jun 15 04:41
schestowitzIRC is goodJun 15 04:41
schestowitzmore people who can respondJun 15 04:42
TechDefenderWhat is Doctorow's best video?  i'll send it to my friendJun 15 04:42
schestowitznot sureJun 15 04:44
TechDefenderi'm trying to find it-- the one where he says you have to treat your friends like they've fallen off the life boat and need help, he starts crying at the endJun 15 04:45
TechDefenderIs there another IRC room, that is best for getting help with this case?Jun 15 04:46
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TechDefendercan i PM you?Jun 15 04:53
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TweetTuxMachines                 Rosa #LXQt Edition's Flexibility Sets It ApartJun 15 05:02
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TweetTuxMachines                 Tiny, Linux-friendly i.MX6 module steps up to 5GHz WiFiJun 15 05:04
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schestowitzTechDefender: sorry, was afkJun 15 05:15
schestowitzwife pulled the plug on the laptop by accidentJun 15 05:15
schestowitzhad to rebootJun 15 05:15
schestowitzdidn't see any PMs if you sent anyJun 15 05:15
schestowitzI prefer not to receive PMsJun 15 05:15
TechDefenderwhy not?Jun 15 05:15
schestowitzlong story, doesn't matter nowJun 15 05:16
schestowitzworkflow-relatedJun 15 05:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875280303589388290Jun 15 05:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu 17.10: Finally, an exciting Ubuntu releaseJun 15 05:17
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/hfAszGWzVY (www.tuxmachines.org) #canonicalJun 15 05:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 17.10: Finally, an exciting Ubuntu release | Tux MachinesJun 15 05:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875280986690510848Jun 15 05:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #Canonical and #Dell release new #Ubuntu developerJun 15 05:19
TweetTuxMachines                 computers https://t.co/uHD4eNA5z9 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 05:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 15 05:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical and Dell release new Ubuntu developer computers | Tux MachinesJun 15 05:19
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu 17.10: Finally, an exciting Ubuntu release https://t.co/hfAszGWzVY...'Jun 15 05:19
TechDefenderschestowitz: okayJun 15 05:19
TechDefenderschestowitz:  https://temp.pm/?xnN9ESdlqTlFD1961EW5eO3C7-30m-mQs5DC8KGsG8Ri7xPQ2M8Jsx5-NJun 15 05:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Temp.PM - Temporary Private Message [ http://ur1.ca/r05rg ]Jun 15 05:22
schestowitzGot itJun 15 05:33
TechDefenderwhat do you think?  any ideas?Jun 15 05:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/875281564128739329Jun 15 06:12
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Canonical and #Dell release new #Ubuntu developerJun 15 06:12
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    computers https://t.co/uHD4eNA5z9 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 06:12
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 15 06:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875294915500093440Jun 15 06:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Today in Techrights https://t.co/5gXiptqhzrJun 15 06:15
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875295678527934464Jun 15 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Release of the latest candidates of dnf stack for FedoraJun 15 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 26Jun 15 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/VLCpbqLwtG (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #dnf #fedora #redhat #gnu #linux #f26Jun 15 06:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Release of the latest candidates of dnf stack for Fedora 26 | Tux MachinesJun 15 06:16
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Release of the latest candidates of dnf stack...'Jun 15 06:27
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Theresa May's bizarre out-of-time Mexican wave scores...'Jun 15 06:27
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Theresa May's bizarre out-of-time Mexican...'Jun 15 06:48
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks That's where LEDE or OpenWRT, which are...'Jun 15 06:48
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks That's where LEDE or OpenWRT,...'Jun 15 06:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/875305089342345221Jun 15 06:57
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Today in Techrights https://t.co/5gXiptqhzrJun 15 06:57
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 06:57
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump That doesn't cut it. You watch fake...'Jun 15 06:57
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump That doesn't cut it. You...'Jun 15 06:59
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Grab him by the shoulder. https://t.co/JPVCEE6hIF'Jun 15 06:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump Grab him by the shoulder. https://t.co/JPVCEE6hIFJun 15 06:59
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump Grab him by the shoulder....'Jun 15 07:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875306867517526016Jun 15 07:02
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers: #CherryBlossom , #WannaCryJun 15 07:02
TweetTuxMachines                 #Microsoft Spin, & #Samsung https://t.co/ttVuOpN4rmJun 15 07:02
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #wikileaks #vaullllllt7 #belkinJun 15 07:02
TweetTuxMachines                 #linksysJun 15 07:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers: CherryBlossom, WannaCry Microsoft Spin, and Samsung Negligence | Tux MachinesJun 15 07:02
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schestowitzTechDefender: I want to write about itJun 15 07:05
schestowitzbut it can affect the caseJun 15 07:05
schestowitzso would only do so with consent from youJun 15 07:05
TechDefenderschestowitz:  no, not yet.Jun 15 07:06
TechDefenderschestowitz: i am mainly looking for help for him.  Well, what do you mean "write about it"?Jun 15 07:07
TechDefenderschestowitz: thanks for respecting his privacy, also  :)Jun 15 07:08
TechDefenderi can ask him a question, if you want, or you can talk to him yourself later.Jun 15 07:08
schestowitzI understand.Jun 15 07:10
schestowitzIt can compromise the outcome.Jun 15 07:10
TechDefenderschestowitz:  well, we all want the same outcome right?Jun 15 07:11
TechDefenderschestowitz: do you want me to give him your email, phone number, etc?  if you want to talk to him?Jun 15 07:12
TechDefenderschestowitz: since, i think we are on the same "side" here, he would probably be happy to talk to you.  And you know Cory Doctorow?  Is this something that he would be interested in?Jun 15 07:17
schestowitzphone is usually a waste of time for these thingsJun 15 07:18
schestowitzas one can't take noteJun 15 07:18
schestowitzbased on experience talking to patent peopleJun 15 07:18
schestowitzno links, no nothing...Jun 15 07:18
schestowitzbest come to IRC every now and then to drop info, preferably things that can be publishedJun 15 07:19
TechDefenderi think both voice, and messaging combined, is the best way to communicateJun 15 07:19
schestowitzyou or others can also write guest posts about it, clarifying how Microsoft erredJun 15 07:19
schestowitzit's on-topic Jun 15 07:19
oiaohmPatent is a messy area admitting you knew about something when it come to court damages value goes up.Jun 15 07:19
schestowitzvoice is good for some things, like familyJun 15 07:19
schestowitznot when you need quotes, links etc.Jun 15 07:20
TechDefenderschestowitz: he is putting together a website, of stuff that he wants to publishJun 15 07:20
oiaohmschestowitz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjflNTd2kho  this is from FOSDEM 2017 I guess you have seen it.Jun 15 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FOSDEM 2017: "This is why I drink: a discussion of Fedora's legal state" by Tom Callaway - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/qixsn ]Jun 15 07:24
MinceR:DJun 15 07:24
oiaohmMinceR: if you have not seen that video you will like it.Jun 15 07:25
MinceRi think i haven'tJun 15 07:26
MinceRthough "this is why i drink" sounds familiarJun 15 07:26
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/IYh4EJun 15 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kitten can't stop kissing cyclist who saved her - Album on ImgurJun 15 07:32
schestowitzhow do we know he saved it? :-pJun 15 07:40
schestowitzmaybe the cat say, "let me down, let me down, please..."Jun 15 07:40
schestowitzit's also dangerous, the cat can fall down and get squashedJun 15 07:40
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Jun 15 07:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/875307421404725248Jun 15 07:47
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Security Leftovers: #CherryBlossom , #WannaCryJun 15 07:47
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #Microsoft Spin, & #Samsung https://t.co/ttVuOpN4rmJun 15 07:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #wikileaks #vaullllllt7 #belkinJun 15 07:47
TweetTuxMachines                 #linksysJun 15 07:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers: CherryBlossom, WannaCry Microsoft Spin, and Samsung Negligence | Tux MachinesJun 15 07:47
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MinceRhttps://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19149459_305502819877691_5306463021081888161_n.jpg?oh=ce457fd1b12bd816a7d6cfc8cbf79137&oe=59CF14CDJun 15 08:21
schestowitzgood!Jun 15 08:35
schestowitzFacebook apologist https://openbytes.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/privacy-social-media-and-the-perception-of-evil/Jun 15 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openbytes.wordpress.com | Privacy, social media and the perception of evil? – Tim WilsonJun 15 08:38
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mastermikeg/status/875337713481854977Jun 15 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mastermikeg: @schestowitz https://t.co/ESCT9r0yDWJun 15 09:08
*TweetTuxMachines @oldestlivingboy favourited '#FreeBSD -Based #TrueOS Gets New Stable Update, Adds...'Jun 15 09:27
schestowitzhttps://chaos.social/users/pinkprius/updates/17393Jun 15 09:28
schestowitz"Jun 15 09:28
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schestowitz"ISPs != judges/cops"Jun 15 09:28
schestowitzThey'll soon be. You just wait.Jun 15 09:28
schestowitz"Jun 15 09:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875344042355298305Jun 15 09:29
TweetTuxMachines                 REVIEWS: #Devuan 1.0.0, #Slackel 7.0, #Lubuntu 17.04, andJun 15 09:29
TweetTuxMachines                 #elementaryOS Loki 0.4.1 https://t.co/PBMbfaPkoNJun 15 09:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 15 09:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | REVIEWS: Devuan 1.0.0, Slackel 7.0, Lubuntu 17.04, and elementary OS Loki 0.4.1 | Tux MachinesJun 15 09:29
oiaohmschestowitz: you can think of ISP as private security problem.   Duty of care requirement for users/customers can cause nightmares.Jun 15 09:37
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'REVIEWS: #Devuan 1.0.0, #Slackel 7.0, #Lubuntu 17.04, and...'Jun 15 09:38
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn The BBC is lying, claiming that May...'Jun 15 09:38
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn The BBC is lying, claiming...'Jun 15 09:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn May thinks she's the Queen, but fails...'Jun 15 09:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn May thinks she's the Queen,...'Jun 15 09:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875347338885300224Jun 15 09:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #Deepin 15.4 review - All that glitters is not gold Jun 15 09:41
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/U9pd7OSX7I (www.tuxmachines.org) #china #gnuJun 15 09:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #freesw #freedomJun 15 09:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Deepin 15.4 review - All that glitters is not gold | Tux MachinesJun 15 09:41
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Deepin 15.4 review - All that glitters is not gold Jun 15 10:41
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       https://t.co/U9pd7OSX7I (www.tuxmachines.org) #china #gnuJun 15 10:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #freesw #freedomJun 15 10:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875362682475610113Jun 15 10:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Older #Qt and #KDE News, Development UpdatesJun 15 10:43
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/gd9nSrYJYa (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 15 10:43
TweetTuxMachines                 #kdab #gsoc #kubuntuJun 15 10:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Older Qt and KDE News, Development Updates | Tux MachinesJun 15 10:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/875362998545731584Jun 15 11:09
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Older #Qt and #KDE News, Development UpdatesJun 15 11:09
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/gd9nSrYJYa (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 15 11:09
TweetTuxMachines                 #kdab #gsoc #kubuntuJun 15 11:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875369650376364040Jun 15 11:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: #Gaming on #gnu #linux Jun 15 11:10
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/CSmByRCLMN (www.tuxmachines.org) #gamesJun 15 11:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesJun 15 11:10
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Leftovers: #Gaming on #gnu #linux Jun 15 11:37
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/CSmByRCLMN (www.tuxmachines.org) #gamesJun 15 11:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875376611822055424Jun 15 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Practical Networking for Linux Admins: TCP/IPJun 15 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/r4XnTvKib8 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 15 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 #internet #networkingJun 15 11:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Practical Networking for Linux Admins: TCP/IP | Tux MachinesJun 15 11:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875376787978637313Jun 15 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 A comparison of Linux VPS Providers for beginner hostingJun 15 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/SlqyDAOQZg (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 15 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #vpsJun 15 11:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A comparison of Linux VPS Providers for beginner hosting | Tux MachinesJun 15 11:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875377134977642496Jun 15 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #Google open-sources mobile-first computer vision modelsJun 15 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 for #TensorFlow https://t.co/BnPQoeGMe7Jun 15 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw #aiJun 15 11:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google open-sources mobile-first computer vision models for TensorFlow | Tux MachinesJun 15 11:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875377946516652033Jun 15 11:45
TweetTuxMachines                 New System on Module from #VarisciteJun 15 11:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/qguRHUTixA (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 11:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Jun 15 11:45
TweetTuxMachines                 “OS: Linux Yocto, Linux Debian, Android”Jun 15 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Variscite Launches New Variants for the DART-6UL SoM with Improved Certified Wi-Fi/BT Module with 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n Support | Tux MachinesJun 15 11:45
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 15 11:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/875378680960360448Jun 15 11:45
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Practical Networking for Linux Admins: TCP/IPJun 15 11:45
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/r4XnTvKib8 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 15 11:45
TweetTuxMachines                 #internet #networkingJun 15 11:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/875378701642420226Jun 15 11:46
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    A comparison of Linux VPS Providers for beginner hostingJun 15 11:46
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/SlqyDAOQZg (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 15 11:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #vpsJun 15 11:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/875378723343806467Jun 15 11:46
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Google open-sources mobile-first computer vision modelsJun 15 11:46
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    for #TensorFlow https://t.co/BnPQoeGMe7Jun 15 11:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw #aiJun 15 11:46
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'New System on Module from #Variscite https://t.co/qguRHUTixA ...'Jun 15 11:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'New System on Module from #Variscite https://t.co/qguRHUTixA ...'Jun 15 11:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'A comparison of Linux VPS Providers for beginner...'Jun 15 11:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Practical Networking for Linux Admins: TCP/IP https://t.co/r4XnTvKib8 #gnu...'Jun 15 11:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @Paratoxical favourited 'Practical Networking for Linux Admins: TCP/IP https://t.co/r4XnTvKib8 #gnu...'Jun 15 11:49
*TweetTuxMachines @iotakodali favourited '#Google open-sources mobile-first computer vision models for #TensorFlow...'Jun 15 11:51
*TweetTuxMachines @adymitruk favourited 'New System on Module from #Variscite https://t.co/qguRHUTixA ...'Jun 15 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Variscite Launches New Variants for the DART-6UL SoM with Improved Certified Wi-Fi/BT Module with 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n Support | Tux MachinesJun 15 12:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875391059416805376Jun 15 12:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #FreeNAS 11.0 Released and #OpenBSD Server Shown OffJun 15 12:36
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/uco0n2H6zg (www.tuxmachines.org) #freebsdJun 15 12:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #france #bsd #unix #freeswJun 15 12:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeNAS 11.0 Released and OpenBSD Server Shown Off | Tux MachinesJun 15 12:36
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FreeNAS 11.0 Released and #OpenBSD Server Shown Off...'Jun 15 12:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875392559048261632Jun 15 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #Graphics in #Linux and #Cairo https://t.co/iODFsgWMs4Jun 15 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #amdgpu #vulkan #madmax #games #drmJun 15 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #radeon #mesaJun 15 12:41
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*TweetTuxMachines @Comatose_D favourited '#Graphics in #Linux and #Cairo https://t.co/iODFsgWMs4 #amdgpu #vulkan...'Jun 15 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics in Linux and Cairo | Tux MachinesJun 15 12:42
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Graphics in #Linux and #Cairo https://t.co/iODFsgWMs4 #amdgpu #vulkan...'Jun 15 12:44
*TweetTuxMachines @ExponetUSA retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Graphics in #Linux and #Cairo https://t.co/iODFsgWMs4 #amdgpu #vulkan...'Jun 15 12:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/875394169392549891Jun 15 12:51
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Graphics in #Linux and #Cairo https://t.co/iODFsgWMs4Jun 15 12:51
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       (www.tuxmachines.org) #amdgpu #vulkan #madmax #games #drmJun 15 12:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #radeon #mesaJun 15 12:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875401317447061504Jun 15 13:18
TweetTuxMachines                 #Avidemux Video Editor An Easy To Use Video Editor ForJun 15 13:18
TweetTuxMachines                 LinuxJun 15 13:18
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/RK9ZW5QUDf (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 13:18
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #multimedia #gnu #linuxJun 15 13:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Avidemux Video Editor An Easy To Use Video Editor For Linux | Tux MachinesJun 15 13:18
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Avidemux Video Editor An Easy To Use Video...'Jun 15 13:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875402880362176512Jun 15 13:23
TweetTuxMachines                 KDE: #SimpleMenu, #Kdenlive 17.04.2, and #Krita 4.0Jun 15 13:23
TweetTuxMachines                 Pre-Alpha https://t.co/rCWlbFf74E (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 13:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #kde #freesw #gnu #linuxJun 15 13:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Simple Menu, Kdenlive 17.04.2, and Krita 4.0 Pre-Alpha | Tux MachinesJun 15 13:23
cubexyzjust avoid Microsoft... don't use their softwareJun 15 13:25
cubexyzthat's the best advice I can think ofJun 15 13:25
cubexyzbinaries without source just isn't a good situationJun 15 13:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875403194247020545Jun 15 13:26
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers: #UCL 'Burned' by #MicrosoftJun 15 13:26
TweetTuxMachines                 #Windows, University on Broken #Voting SystemsJun 15 13:26
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/lhcFDZc2R3 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 13:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers: University College London 'Burned' by Microsoft Windows, University on Broken Voting Systems, Coredumps on Web Servers and More | Tux MachinesJun 15 13:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875404072660213761Jun 15 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 More of today's howtos https://t.co/aZQZd1q1DTJun 15 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #gnu #linux #unixJun 15 13:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More of today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 15 13:27
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'KDE: #SimpleMenu, #Kdenlive 17.04.2, and #Krita 4.0 Pre-Alpha...'Jun 15 13:27
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: #UCL 'Burned' by #Microsoft #Windows, University...'Jun 15 13:27
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/aZQZd1q1DT #howto #gnu #linux...'Jun 15 13:27
*TweetTuxMachines @verfassungklage retweeted @tuxmachines: 'KDE: #SimpleMenu, #Kdenlive 17.04.2, and #Krita 4.0 Pre-Alpha...'Jun 15 13:28
*TweetTuxMachines @StephenLSims retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/aZQZd1q1DT #howto #gnu #linux...'Jun 15 13:28
cubexyzcan't believe they're still debating doze in MunichJun 15 13:33
cubexyzvery lameJun 15 13:34
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razielle_tzuyeah but isn't the mayor a fan boy?Jun 15 13:49
cubexyzwell microsoft wants to move German HQ to Munich so there's probably all sorts of nonsense going onJun 15 13:54
cubexyzDieter is a fan of Microsoft because it's probably expedient for him Jun 15 13:57
cubexyzso who knows what the real deal isJun 15 13:57
razielle_tzuM$  and Dieter will but no one elseJun 15 13:58
*TweetTuxMachines @Beezel_Bug favourited 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/aZQZd1q1DT #howto #gnu #linux...'Jun 15 14:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/cybershellsec/status/875413195581796352Jun 15 14:04
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    KDE: #SimpleMenu, #Kdenlive 17.04.2, and #Krita 4.0Jun 15 14:04
TweetTuxMachines @cybershellsec  Pre-Alpha https://t.co/rCWlbFf74E (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #kde #freesw #gnu #linuxJun 15 14:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Simple Menu, Kdenlive 17.04.2, and Krita 4.0 Pre-Alpha | Tux MachinesJun 15 14:04
cubexyza certain AC/DC song comes to mind :-/Jun 15 14:05
cubexyzpoliticians who know almost nothing making IT policy is stupidJun 15 14:06
razielle_tzui agree but it's not likely to change much anywhereJun 15 14:06
cubexyzmy own city's municipal IT is a bad jokeJun 15 14:09
razielle_tzusame with my county's from what i've heardJun 15 14:10
razielle_tzui mean my mum's partner works for it and has said if i can really do what i do for the computer club i'm more qualified than 3/4 of the staff thereJun 15 14:10
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cubexyztried to pay a parking ticket online (city of oshawa web site)Jun 15 14:17
cubexyznot only did it not work on firefox on linux, but also not in firefox on windowsJun 15 14:17
razielle_tzuo.OJun 15 14:18
cubexyzonly IE on doze workedJun 15 14:18
razielle_tzurunning a small LTSP network with a custom image and a tiny webserver makes me more qualified than 3/4 of the local council staffJun 15 14:18
cubexyza lot of the early ISPs used FreeBSD so in many ways things have become worseJun 15 14:22
razielle_tzuyeahJun 15 14:23
cubexyzbut city council here is uselessJun 15 14:23
cubexyzincompetent I'd say Jun 15 14:23
razielle_tzulots areJun 15 14:24
cubexyzbut on the plus side there's a lot of smart european programmersJun 15 14:25
razielle_tzutrueJun 15 14:25
*TweetTuxMachines @iamunnip favourited '#UBports Launch First Stable #UbuntuTouch #OTA Update for...'Jun 15 14:27
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DaemonFCI wonder if OpenIndiana would run on this laptop at all.Jun 15 14:37
DaemonFCI used OpenSolaris on a junk Compaq laptop that I got at Walmart....Jun 15 14:38
DaemonFCIt surprised me that it worked.Jun 15 14:38
*TweetTuxMachines @oldestlivingboy favourited 'Leftovers: #OSS and #Sharing https://t.co/d8FShSc6Oo #freesw #foss #libreoffice...'Jun 15 14:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS and Sharing | Tux MachinesJun 15 14:40
razielle_tzui haven't tried anything but linux and BSD in agesJun 15 14:44
MinceRhttp://www.lfg.co/tda/strip/157/Jun 15 14:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lfg.co | Tiny Dick Adventures - 157 - An LFG Spinoff ComicJun 15 14:45
MinceRhttp://www.lfg.co/tda/strip/159/Jun 15 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lfg.co | Tiny Dick Adventures - 159 - An LFG Spinoff ComicJun 15 14:51
cubexyznot clicking on thatJun 15 14:59
MinceR:DJun 15 14:59
MinceRit's sfwJun 15 15:00
MinceRthe "Dick" is a character called RichardJun 15 15:00
cubexyzthere's tons of interesting OSesJun 15 15:03
razielle_tzui know, i just haven't playedJun 15 15:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/875422643234775040Jun 15 15:06
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    KDE: #SimpleMenu, #Kdenlive 17.04.2, and #Krita 4.0Jun 15 15:06
TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief      Pre-Alpha https://t.co/rCWlbFf74E (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 15:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #kde #freesw #gnu #linuxJun 15 15:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Simple Menu, Kdenlive 17.04.2, and Krita 4.0 Pre-Alpha | Tux MachinesJun 15 15:06
cubexyzPlan 9 was kind of dead but...Jun 15 15:10
cubexyzhttps://notamonadtutorial.com/harvey-an-operating-system-with-plan-9-s-shadow-3081414e5f0bJun 15 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-notamonadtutorial.com | Harvey, an operating system with Plan 9's shadow – This is not a Monad tutorial [ http://ur1.ca/r098o ]Jun 15 15:10
cubexyzI do think Slack is better for work Jun 15 15:12
cubexyzeven for games it's not bad, although there's some hand-turning neededJun 15 15:12
cubexyzI was quite happy running Linux 2.4 for a lot of thingsJun 15 15:17
cubexyzLoki and LGP games, scanning, printing, web server, etcJun 15 15:17
cubexyzbut the web _browser_ that was a different storyJun 15 15:17
cubexyzI never found a good solution for thatJun 15 15:18
MinceRthe web sucks massivelyJun 15 15:18
MinceRit has become fashionable to only support CrashKit and BlinkJun 15 15:18
cubexyzI got stuck on icecat 2.0.0.11-g1Jun 15 15:18
MinceRi'm mostly running palemoonJun 15 15:19
cubexyzcan't remember how old that was, but it must be pretty oldJun 15 15:19
MinceRbut even allowing all scripts and maliciousness i still get a lot of missing functionalityJun 15 15:19
MinceRrecently i tried to view an embedded map, couldn't see it in palemoon or iceweasel, had to use rekonqJun 15 15:19
cubexyzwhat, google maps?Jun 15 15:21
cubexyzthere's not too many web types testing on old browsersJun 15 15:22
cubexyzI'm one of the fewJun 15 15:22
cubexyzI test on FC1, vector (various versions), slack, openbsd, chromeos, mintJun 15 15:23
MinceRno, it was osm-basedJun 15 15:23
MinceRthis one: http://xn--allestrungen-9ib.de/stoerung/deutsche-telekom/karte/Jun 15 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xn--allestrungen-9ib.de | Telekom Störung? Aktuelle Probleme und Störungsstelle | Alle Störungen [ http://ur1.ca/r09bn ]Jun 15 15:23
cubexyzyeah, didn't work on vector... not surprisedJun 15 15:26
cubexyzworks on google chrome 56 thoughJun 15 15:27
cubexyzah, openstreetmap Jun 15 15:28
cubexyzand I spoke too soon... it actually did work on vectorJun 15 15:28
*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited '#FreeBSD -Based #TrueOS Gets New Stable Update, Adds...'Jun 15 15:28
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @WBAI @JesselynRadack Still waiting for @jeremycorbyn ...'Jun 15 15:28
cubexyzon vector it switches to google mapsJun 15 15:28
cubexyzvector is stuck on firefox 16.02 :)Jun 15 15:29
cubexyzand guess what... I'm also stuck on HOMM3 1.3.1a Jun 15 15:30
MinceRand OSM itself works fine on palemoonJun 15 15:30
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @WBAI @JesselynRadack Still waiting for...'Jun 15 15:30
cubexyzis OSM foss?Jun 15 15:34
MinceRyesJun 15 15:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875435421500555264Jun 15 15:37
TweetTuxMachines                 #Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) to Use #Linux #KernelJun 15 15:37
TweetTuxMachines                 4.13, According to #Canonical https://t.co/OHJiIiDNVtJun 15 15:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 15:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) to Use Linux Kernel 4.13, According to Canonical | Tux MachinesJun 15 15:37
cubexyzoh yeah I remember nowJun 15 15:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875437143765565440Jun 15 15:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Getting Started with Open Source LicensesJun 15 15:38
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/HH6rL9rcY2 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 15 15:38
TweetTuxMachines                 #licensing #sharingJun 15 15:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Getting Started with Open Source Licenses | Tux MachinesJun 15 15:38
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) to Use #Linux #Kernel...'Jun 15 15:39
cubexyzpalemoon gave me XPCOMGlueLoad errorJun 15 15:39
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Getting Started with Open Source Licenses https://t.co/HH6rL9rcY2 #freesw...'Jun 15 15:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875437502508613632Jun 15 15:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #Corsair Force MP500 240GB M.2 SSD On #LinuxJun 15 15:39
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/pLrq4vDauE (www.tuxmachines.org) performanceJun 15 15:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #benchmarkJun 15 15:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Corsair Force MP500 240GB M.2 SSD On Linux | Tux MachinesJun 15 15:39
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Corsair Force MP500 240GB M.2 SSD On #Linux...'Jun 15 15:40
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) to Use #Linux #Kernel...'Jun 15 15:40
cubexyzI got seamonkey on slack... it uses a lot less memory than chromeJun 15 15:41
*TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Corsair Force MP500 240GB M.2 SSD On #Linux...'Jun 15 15:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Corsair Force MP500 240GB M.2 SSD On #Linux...'Jun 15 15:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/875439539732525056Jun 15 15:48
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) to Use #Linux #KernelJun 15 15:48
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       4.13, According to #Canonical https://t.co/OHJiIiDNVtJun 15 15:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 15:48
TweetTuxMachines Jun 15 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) to Use Linux Kernel 4.13, According to Canonical | Tux MachinesJun 15 15:48
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump You're all in this together, playing partisan...'Jun 15 15:48
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump You're all in this together,...'Jun 15 15:48
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Feeling the heat now https://t.co/D7Bm9dToSD'Jun 15 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Trump Tried to Convince NSA Chief to Absolve Him of Any Russian Collusion: ReportJun 15 15:48
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4yIxUOWrtwJun 15 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If Doom was done today (Part 1) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/r09hr ]Jun 15 15:48
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schestowitzhaha, classicJun 15 15:50
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump Feeling the heat now https://t.co/D7Bm9dToSD'Jun 15 15:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875440872539602944Jun 15 15:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/NpBGExXoswJun 15 15:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #googleJun 15 15:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 15 15:55
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/NpBGExXosw #android #linux #google'Jun 15 15:56
*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/NpBGExXosw #android #linux #google'Jun 15 15:59
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Crooked Trump destroyed the lives of many...'Jun 15 15:59
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump Crooked Trump destroyed the lives...'Jun 15 16:00
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Thankfully, some people have documented decades of...'Jun 15 16:00
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/5KwmKg2.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/5KwmKg2 )Jun 15 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Right way to use a fidget spinnerJun 15 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Right way to use a fidget spinner - GIF on ImgurJun 15 16:02
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/original/N/A/8/J/NA8J6Mi   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/iUIbs )Jun 15 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pick your fighter - Album on ImgurJun 15 16:04
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump Thankfully, some people have documented...'Jun 15 16:08
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MinceRhttps://imgur.com/a/8O5z7Jun 15 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The most awesome images on the InternetJun 15 16:15
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark) to Use #Linux #Kernel...'Jun 15 16:17
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @SueHayman1 Meanwhile, Theresa May has appointed Murdoch's...'Jun 15 16:17
XRevan86MinceR: Obviously, NVIDIA users didn't pay enough for the device.Jun 15 16:18
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @SueHayman1 Meanwhile, Theresa May has...'Jun 15 16:19
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @SueHayman1 Tom Watson asks May: did Murdoch...'Jun 15 16:19
MinceR:>Jun 15 16:24
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @SueHayman1 Tom Watson asks May:...'Jun 15 16:38
DaemonFCWell, Picard just made some Vorbis files unplayable with gstreamer-based apps.Jun 15 16:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875452475142135808Jun 15 16:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers: #CyberSecurity, #Cryptocoin, andJun 15 16:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #SMB https://t.co/ryGtxoHaSD (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 15 16:39
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DaemonFCLooks like I need to rip them again and hand tag them all.Jun 15 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers: CyberSecurity, Cryptocoin, and SMB | Tux MachinesJun 15 16:40
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: #CyberSecurity, #Cryptocoin, and #SMB https://t.co/ryGtxoHaSD'Jun 15 16:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/ShakespeareITW/status/875452865699094532Jun 15 16:41
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Deepin 15.4 review - All that glitters is not gold Jun 15 16:41
TweetTuxMachines @ShakespeareITW  https://t.co/U9pd7OSX7I (www.tuxmachines.org) #china #gnuJun 15 16:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #freesw #freedomJun 15 16:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Deepin 15.4 review - All that glitters is not gold | Tux MachinesJun 15 16:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875453189738213380Jun 15 16:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #Development News: #Glibc, #KDevelop, #StackOverflowJun 15 16:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Survey, and #PostgreSQL https://t.co/uupOAjKXnZJun 15 16:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #programmingJun 15 16:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development News: Glibc, KDevelop, Stack Overflow Survey, and PostgreSQL | Tux MachinesJun 15 16:42
*TweetTuxMachines @TucsonCode retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Development News: #Glibc, #KDevelop, #StackOverflow Survey, and #PostgreSQL...'Jun 15 16:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875454116826300416Jun 15 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #Openwashing and Attacks on FOSS, OSS LeftoversJun 15 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/KDZ1ihpmLA (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 15 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #microsoft #eeeJun 15 16:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Openwashing and Attacks on FOSS, OSS Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 15 16:46
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Development News: #Glibc, #KDevelop, #StackOverflow Survey, and #PostgreSQL...'Jun 15 16:46
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Openwashing and Attacks on FOSS, OSS Leftovers https://t.co/KDZ1ihpmLA...'Jun 15 16:48
*TweetTuxMachines @programminbuddy retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Development News: #Glibc, #KDevelop, #StackOverflow Survey, and #PostgreSQL...'Jun 15 16:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875454934379921408Jun 15 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #Ubuntu News: #IBM & #Canonical, #LXD #Containers. #MirJun 15 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                 0.26.3 and More https://t.co/IPRVi0jKNlJun 15 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 15 16:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu News: IBM & Canonical, LXD Containers. Mir 0.26.3 and More | Tux MachinesJun 15 16:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/875455282469625857Jun 15 16:52
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Development News: #Glibc, #KDevelop, #StackOverflowJun 15 16:52
TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief      Survey, and #PostgreSQL https://t.co/uupOAjKXnZJun 15 16:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #programmingJun 15 16:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/875456046134734848Jun 15 16:53
TweetTuxMachines                 #Servers, #RedHat, and #Fedora (New ISO and More)Jun 15 16:53
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/j2CNCOMh2u (www.tuxmachines.org) #f25 #gnu