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| DaemonFC | I keep my Quicksilver card open because it has no foreign transaction fees and I like to shop Amazon Canada and Amazon UK for Blu Ray discs. | Apr 16 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | In an extreme example, there was a box set that I bought off Amazon Canada for $36 USD after the conversion, including shipping, that Best Buy sells for $97 + 10.25% sales tax here in Chicago. :P | Apr 16 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | Do people really pay these inflated prices? I wonder how many other people just buy the Canada/UK discs. | Apr 16 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | I see some people getting on eBay and Amazon US and unloading the Canadian discs for $60 or so. | Apr 16 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | The whole point of Region coding was to stop this from happening. Yes? | Apr 16 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | If the studios can get $100 in the US market but only the equivalent of $30 US in Canada, obviously they want to stop the Canadian discs from flooding the US market. | Apr 16 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | But Blu Ray only has 3 region codes, so all of North America and some South Asian countries are all Region A. | Apr 16 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | Seems they would have planned this better to avoid cheap discs flooding the US market and eating into their own sales. | Apr 16 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | In some cases, you can play the UK discs because they're Region Free. | Apr 16 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | Collecting the US versions of the six seasons of Game of Thrones will set you back at least $150, but you can buy the UK version for $100 and they're just as good and play on your system. | Apr 16 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose a lot of this is the result of the exchange rate fluctuating more than the studios had planned for because of Brexit. | Apr 16 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 16 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | They pressed the discs with no Region B lock because it would have cost Americans more than it was worth to buy the discs and import them just 6-7 months ago. | Apr 16 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I suppose in some way the weak Pound helps you. | Apr 16 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | Somewhere in an Amazon "fulfillment center", someone has a job picking and packing movies that are being imported into the US. | Apr 16 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | Well, until Amazon figures out how to go full robot. They did buy an entire company to get their warehouse robot tech and they're testing it out in the US right now. | Apr 16 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, even the shitty jobs disappear. | Apr 16 16:25 |
| MinceR | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/5655 | Apr 16 16:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Chris Lamb Elected As New Debian Project Leader | Apr 16 17:12 |
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| cubexyz | United Airlines fixed the overbooking problem: | Apr 16 18:30 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www.qantas.com/travel/airlines/conditions-carriage/global/en over booking is common. 10.3 qantas describes how it should be done. They ask for people to volunteers not to travel before boarding and if not enough volunteer you will be blocked at the boarding gate. | Apr 16 20:20 |
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| oiaohm | United Airlines has crappy procedures. | Apr 16 20:20 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 16 20:20 |
| MinceR | though it would be better of overbooking wasn't common | Apr 16 20:21 |
| MinceR | also, they could block you at checking in | Apr 16 20:21 |
| MinceR | if you do web checkin, you won't even have to go to the airport to find out if you can fly | Apr 16 20:21 |
| oiaohm | The reality is shocking. Qantas did try not overbooking until they found that on average 20 percent of people did not turn up to fly. | Apr 16 20:23 |
| oiaohm | And did not inform the airline that they would not be flying. | Apr 16 20:23 |
| oiaohm | If we don't want overbooking we would need to make not informing airline that you are not flying jail offense. | Apr 16 20:24 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Apr 16 20:25 |
| MinceR | did they or did they not pay for the ticket? | Apr 16 20:25 |
| oiaohm | All tickets had been paid for in advance. | Apr 16 20:25 |
| oiaohm | So Qantas was not out of money. It was more a airtraffic issue. | Apr 16 20:26 |
| MinceR | then what's the problem? | Apr 16 20:26 |
| MinceR | they should be happy they're not carrying as much mass | Apr 16 20:26 |
| oiaohm | there are a few problems. | Apr 16 20:26 |
| MinceR | yes, greed being all of them | Apr 16 20:27 |
| oiaohm | Airports only can handle so many aircraft. Please note 20% was an adverage. Some routes were flights less than 50 percent full. | Apr 16 20:27 |
| oiaohm | Yet the aircarft fully booked out. | Apr 16 20:28 |
| MinceR | extra aircraft won't spawn because some passengers failed to turn up | Apr 16 20:29 |
| oiaohm | Then people complain about not being able to get flights yet the qantas could not put on more aircraft due to airport being at max load. | Apr 16 20:29 |
| oiaohm | At that point overbooking is kinda forced. | Apr 16 20:29 |
| MinceR | people also complain about being violently thrown off the flight they bought a ticket for | Apr 16 20:29 |
| MinceR | but i guess that's not a problem | Apr 16 20:29 |
| oiaohm | Remember qantas has never done that. | Apr 16 20:29 |
| oiaohm | Instead stuck in lounge until next flight. | Apr 16 20:30 |
| oiaohm | Also when you fuel the aircraft you fuel it for expected load. More than expected load means worst fuel burn rate per person being moved. | Apr 16 20:31 |
| oiaohm | So half loaded aircraft with a load of fuel for fully loaded is bad for the environment. | Apr 16 20:31 |
| MinceR | so if less passengers appear, fuel them less | Apr 16 20:31 |
| MinceR | and it will still end up burning less fuel than if those passengers were on the plane | Apr 16 20:32 |
| oiaohm | Most airports are design to fuel aircraft before loading. | Apr 16 20:32 |
| oiaohm | And that is a safety thing. | Apr 16 20:32 |
| oiaohm | If something goes wrong while the aircraft is being fueled and it goes up in flames you want the least number of people on board. | Apr 16 20:33 |
| oiaohm | The long security screening has helped at some airports to have people count before aircraft are fueled. | Apr 16 20:34 |
| MinceR | they seem to have plenty of time | Apr 16 20:34 |
| MinceR | and there you have your solution | Apr 16 20:34 |
| oiaohm | Passengers don't really like being kept waiting either. | Apr 16 20:34 |
| oiaohm | qantas it not that easy most of the airports they use have short screening times. | Apr 16 20:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if overbooking is done it should be done to Qantas standard of being polite blocked before boarding and being on the next flight. Worst with Qantas if there are too many private jet is used. So worst delay is 24 hours. | Apr 16 20:38 |
| oiaohm | There are some airlines that do overbooking right. | Apr 16 20:39 |
| MinceR | whose private jet? | Apr 16 20:40 |
| MinceR | 17 023442 < oiaohm> Passengers don't really like being kept waiting either. | Apr 16 20:40 |
| MinceR | so why are they? | Apr 16 20:40 |
| oiaohm | Qantas has a large fleet of different aircrafts including smaller jets they private charter. Of course those private charter are private jet size and they can pull from that pool. They carry like 20 passages. | Apr 16 20:41 |
| oiaohm | Qantas case over booking they have the backup aircraft to deal with it if it goes wrong. | Apr 16 20:42 |
| MinceR | and if they didn't sell seats they didn't have, there would be nothing to deal with | Apr 16 20:49 |
| MinceR | but greed overrides everything | Apr 16 20:49 |
| oiaohm | Its not that simple | Apr 16 20:50 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.jetstar.com/au/en/help/articles/when-to-get-to-the-airport-for-domestic-flights Please not the second figure is when a late person get get added to the manfefest. | Apr 16 20:50 |
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| MinceR | oh, i'm sure | Apr 16 20:50 |
| oiaohm | how long do you think it takes to fuel a jet. | Apr 16 20:50 |
| MinceR | when people are blinded by greed, there's no alternative to yielding to it | Apr 16 20:50 |
| MinceR | do you think i care. | Apr 16 20:50 |
| oiaohm | http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=759425 | Apr 16 20:51 |
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| oiaohm | The answer is 40 mins | Apr 16 20:51 |
| oiaohm | That is not moving the aircraft to terminal or anything else. | Apr 16 20:51 |
| oiaohm | That is stationary fueling it. | Apr 16 20:51 |
| MinceR | they made me wait longer between luggage check-in and boarding | Apr 16 20:52 |
| MinceR | (not Qantas) | Apr 16 20:52 |
| oiaohm | I know that the security clear on the ground where they could reject you from flying happens in that time frame as well. | Apr 16 20:53 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 16 20:53 |
| oiaohm | If the numbers were know like 60 min before flying and you were not there by then the airlines could fuel for load. | Apr 16 20:54 |
| oiaohm | there would be no need for overbooking for flight effectness. | Apr 16 20:54 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: so between 20 to 30 min longer boarding time is required to remove the overbooking need. | Apr 16 20:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: then the airport has to have the space to hold those people. | Apr 16 20:56 |
| MinceR | last time i checked airports occupied massive amounts of land, of which the terminal was a tiny fraction | Apr 16 20:57 |
| oiaohm | Even that airports land is massive the terminal size is quite restricted to allow for when things go wrong with aircraft. | Apr 16 20:57 |
| oiaohm | Some airports could expand terminal others can not. | Apr 16 20:58 |
| oiaohm | Some airports overbooking is the correct answer. But it has to be overbooking managed correctly. Not stupid like united. | Apr 16 21:00 |
| MinceR | well, it's great that the airports' issues are solved | Apr 16 21:01 |
| MinceR | i'm looking forward to the day when the passengers' problems will be solved as well | Apr 16 21:01 |
| MinceR | oh wait, nobody cares about them | Apr 16 21:01 |
| MinceR | yet another failure for the market economy | Apr 16 21:01 |
| oiaohm | Without overbooking some of passengers with some the airports would not be getting flights at all. | Apr 16 21:02 |
| oiaohm | So overbooking deals with airport problem and gets the most passengers from point a to point b on the same number of aircraft. | Apr 16 21:03 |
| oiaohm | Everything is a trade off. | Apr 16 21:03 |
| MinceR | yes, and somehow it's always the little guys who get shafted | Apr 16 21:03 |
| MinceR | the people who want to live in london get fucked by the investors | Apr 16 21:04 |
| oiaohm | Funny part is the most over booked seats in qanta is first class. | Apr 16 21:04 |
| MinceR | IT professionals get fucked by the crApple-types peddling shiny shit to morons | Apr 16 21:04 |
| oiaohm | So its the big guys who get shafted. | Apr 16 21:04 |
| MinceR | and travelers get fucked so airports and airlines can operate comfortably | Apr 16 21:04 |
| MinceR | no, the big guys have their own planes | Apr 16 21:05 |
| oiaohm | Quatas upgrades seats not downgrades them. | Apr 16 21:05 |
| oiaohm | So third class has better olds of flying than first. | Apr 16 21:05 |
| oiaohm | Of course lot of the other airlines are the other way. | Apr 16 21:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: big guys have there own plane or the means to higher their own plane means shafting them can end up costing Qantas less. | Apr 16 21:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so well designed over booking should be shaft the big guy. | Apr 16 21:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it funny how greed at times works out. | Apr 16 21:09 |
| MinceR | this is not one of those times | Apr 16 21:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Yes Qantas style overbooking is ok. United they need the be hall over the coals. | Apr 16 21:30 |
| MinceR | ok with you | Apr 16 21:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am not anti overbooking being used. But I am anti overbooking being used with required safe guards. | Apr 16 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Like if everyone does turn up Qantas does have the resources to deal with it. | Apr 16 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Some airlines will refund your ticket and other stupidity. | Apr 16 21:32 |
| oiaohm | Yes the hey we have overbooked and we cannot fly you at all is totally not on. | Apr 16 21:32 |
| oiaohm | Please do remember flights can be delayed due to weather and other things as well. qantas over booking is inside what you could be on the recieving end from nature effects. | Apr 16 21:34 |
| cubexyz | they shouldn't overbook | Apr 16 21:55 |
| cubexyz | I didn't even know that was a thing until recently | Apr 16 21:56 |
| cubexyz | you pay for your ticket, you deserve your seat | Apr 16 21:57 |
| MinceR | https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/777/21264466361_96d1f65ae6.jpg | Apr 16 21:59 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: overbook has been done for over 1000 years. Started on boats. | Apr 16 22:16 |
| MinceR | oh, that makes it all different, then | Apr 16 22:17 |
| MinceR | slavery has been done for over 1000 years too | Apr 16 22:17 |
| MinceR | bring out the whips and the manacles. | Apr 16 22:17 |
| oiaohm | overbooking on ships and aircraft done right is always you are blocked before on-board and ticket moved to next one. | Apr 16 22:18 |
| oiaohm | Really due to how long it been done there is no real excuse of stuffing it up. | Apr 16 22:18 |
| MinceR | am i supposed to be surprised that humans have been greedy for thousands of years? | Apr 16 22:18 |
| oiaohm | About 1000 years is where we have confirmed documentation of it. | Apr 16 22:19 |
| oiaohm | Suspected documentation is back 3000 years. | Apr 16 22:19 |
| oiaohm | and before. | Apr 16 22:20 |
| oiaohm | some of the documentation around the china star fleets suggest it. | Apr 16 22:20 |
| MinceR | star fleets?! | Apr 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | now i find out china has had hyperdrives for thousands of years? | Apr 16 22:21 |
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| DaemonFC | I find it's usually a few bucks cheaper to just let my bank take care of the conversion, but I don't have a foreign transaction fee on that card. | Apr 16 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | Amazon offers to let you pay in your local currency because it benefits *them*. | Apr 16 22:22 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: star fleets are refering to exploring sea fleets following partituclar star patterns. | Apr 16 22:23 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 16 22:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: some of the old titles for stuff miss read would give the idea that space travel is possible because it written like travel from x star to y star when that is really giving a navigation guide sea ship. | Apr 16 22:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: first sail base shipping is 2000BC. First suspected records over over booking are around 1000BC. Of course other records could exist somewhere. | Apr 16 22:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: overbooking might be something humans have done the complete time we have had sail based shipping. | Apr 16 22:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: unitied screw up if it something that has been done for 4000years makes the screw equal of someone making a square wheel and insisting that is round. | Apr 16 22:35 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, if linux is using two ISPs do you know how to get apt-get to use the faster one of the two? | Apr 17 00:59 |
| cubexyz | and oddly nmap doesn't see the chromebook on the wifi lan | Apr 17 01:03 |
| cubexyz | I'm using one computer as a bridge | Apr 17 01:04 |
| cubexyz | one computer has wired and wifi (from two different ISPs) | Apr 17 01:05 |
| cubexyz | and I don't even know what's up with the wifi lan as yet | Apr 17 01:07 |
| cubexyz | there's this arris client login | Apr 17 01:08 |
| cubexyz | and there's something on 192.168.2.12 | Apr 17 01:09 |
| cubexyz | nmap says it's running http-proxy | Apr 17 01:10 |
| cubexyz | I wonder why nmap doesn't see the chromebook | Apr 17 01:11 |
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| cubexyz | there's a cheap TP-link router that does load balancing, that might be simpler | Apr 17 01:16 |
| cubexyz | TL-R480T+ | Apr 17 01:16 |
| cubexyz | can do up to 4 WAN connections | Apr 17 01:16 |
| cubexyz | and the older TL-470T+ | Apr 17 01:18 |
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| cubexyz | I need a wrapper of some sort to tell programs to use _this_ ISP | Apr 17 01:19 |
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| cubexyz | I'm using LD_PRELOAD to bind to a specific ip address | Apr 17 01:42 |
| cubexyz | guess I'll check the logs and see what happened | Apr 17 01:42 |
| cubexyz | so: | Apr 17 01:43 |
| cubexyz | BIND_ADDR="192.168.2.17" LD_PRELOAD=./bind.so sudo apt-get install rtorrent | Apr 17 01:43 |
| cubexyz | "/var/log/apt/history.log" doesn't give that info | Apr 17 01:45 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Multi_ISP this gives a few options. Other thing is a network namespace. | Apr 17 01:45 |
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| cubexyz | metric value? | Apr 17 01:46 |
| cubexyz | that's a new one | Apr 17 01:46 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://blogs.igalia.com/dpino/2016/04/10/network-namespaces/ | Apr 17 01:46 |
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| oiaohm | You could in theory but each ISP in it own network namespace and want ever application is in what namespace will use that network connection. | Apr 17 01:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I use network namespace for not spliting ISPs but for cutting applications off from internet access. | Apr 17 01:47 |
| cubexyz | I got two ISPs | Apr 17 01:49 |
| cubexyz | I just want to get able to say to the program... use THIS one | Apr 17 01:49 |
| cubexyz | wget has something called --bind-address which works fine | Apr 17 01:49 |
| cubexyz | but other programs don't necessarily have that | Apr 17 01:50 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: run application in a networks namespace. "ip netns exec myspace <command>" myspace would be the set up namespace. | Apr 17 01:52 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: part of the ip command. | Apr 17 01:52 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so as long as you have namespaces set up for your ISP telling applications to run in X or Y namespaces is not hard. | Apr 17 01:52 |
| cubexyz | ummm | Apr 17 01:53 |
| cubexyz | I don't see how to bind the namespace to the ISP | Apr 17 01:54 |
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| cubexyz | it looks complicated :-/ | Apr 17 01:55 |
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| cubexyz | interesting idea though | Apr 17 01:56 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: it does not depend on application having any special features. | Apr 17 01:56 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: instead has the kernel apply it. | Apr 17 01:56 |
| oiaohm | load balancing between multi ISPs https://debian-administration.org/article/379/Policy_routing comes under Policy routing and the many different ways of doing that. | Apr 17 01:57 |
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| cubexyz | don't want load balancing | Apr 17 01:58 |
| cubexyz | just want some stuff on ISP #1 | Apr 17 01:58 |
| cubexyz | and other stuff on ISP #2 | Apr 17 01:58 |
| cubexyz | ok, I got an idea | Apr 17 01:59 |
| cubexyz | I'll look at ifconfig's output | Apr 17 01:59 |
| cubexyz | if my bind idea works, then the RX bytes should go up on the wifi device | Apr 17 02:00 |
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| cubexyz | "The gateway with the lowest metric will win." | Apr 17 02:18 |
| cubexyz | ok | Apr 17 02:18 |
| cubexyz | so the wired ISP connection is metric 100 and the wifi ISP connection is metric 600 | Apr 17 02:19 |
| cubexyz | thus the default is the wired ISP connection | Apr 17 02:19 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, this is how I set it up: | Apr 17 02:23 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-using-two-isps.txt | Apr 17 02:23 |
| cubexyz | so far really only wget works the way I want | Apr 17 02:24 |
| cubexyz | ip route show table local <--- shows some info | Apr 17 02:30 |
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| gde33 | may have to play with googles awkward sub translation menu a bit | Apr 17 07:31 |
| oiaohm | gde33: could save a fortune in fuel for elections. | Apr 17 07:41 |
| gde33 | oiaohm: you mean the hologram? | Apr 17 07:41 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Apr 17 07:41 |
| gde33 | oiaohm: yeah, it looks quite decent | Apr 17 07:41 |
| gde33 | I'm more impressed by the word and information density of Jean-Luc | Apr 17 07:42 |
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| oiaohm | I mean full digial. Voice and appearance. | Apr 17 07:42 |
| gde33 | did you see the entire <s>speech</s> lecture already? | Apr 17 07:43 |
| gde33 | My mind is blown that anyone would be more informed than I am about all of the things he talks about :P | Apr 17 07:44 |
| oiaohm | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEaBqiLeCu0 gde33 Hatsune Miku | Apr 17 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Crypton Future Media - Hatsune Miku -- World is Mine - YouTube | Apr 17 07:45 | |
| gde33 | you suggest it is still to new to be used, it distracts you from the content | Apr 17 07:45 |
| gde33 | lol | Apr 17 07:45 |
| gde33 | amoung other things he points out that they have 5 years at most to stop international treaties that will make it illegal for governments to stand up for themselves | Apr 17 07:46 |
| oiaohm | Hatsune Miku the band is real the singer is completely computer generated. | Apr 17 07:46 |
| gde33 | who cares man pfft | Apr 17 07:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/853936514467868672 | Apr 17 07:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Today in Techrights https://t.co/u5jtG4jEPB | Apr 17 07:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 17 07:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 07:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Apr 17 07:47 | |
| oiaohm | Really I wonder with holigrams being used for elections how long until the politition is 100 percent fake. | Apr 17 07:47 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @garethjordan retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/u5jtG4jEPB' | Apr 17 07:47 | |
| gde33 | we are displacing millions of people with our bombardments, are actively destroying all remnants of democracy, have mock referendums where NO becomes YES. | Apr 17 07:48 |
| gde33 | hardly the time to talk about disco music | Apr 17 07:48 |
| gde33 | but ok, we already have 100% fake polticians. | Apr 17 07:48 |
| gde33 | they make clones then copy brain paterns into the clone | Apr 17 07:49 |
| oiaohm | gde33: they still have flesh and bone. When I say 100% fake don't in fact exist physically. | Apr 17 07:49 |
| gde33 | it works for a while, then the clones decay | Apr 17 07:49 |
| gde33 | on video you can already replicate a realistic speech or interview with just a few pictures and 20 min of voice | Apr 17 07:50 |
| gde33 | it doesn't make any difference if our politicans are mere puppets | Apr 17 07:51 |
| gde33 | this guy worked for 8 months with thousands of people to put together a program | Apr 17 07:51 |
| gde33 | they wrote a small book abstracting all the information | Apr 17 07:51 |
| gde33 | he openly mocks all the lies | Apr 17 07:52 |
| gde33 | we can only hope he wins the french elections | Apr 17 07:52 |
| gde33 | then with 18% of the GDP of the EU he will bring the fight to them. | Apr 17 07:53 |
| gde33 | after that the rest of the world | Apr 17 07:53 |
| gde33 | they planned it all in great detail :) | Apr 17 07:53 |
| gde33 | free education with an income because skilled people are needed for the future economy | Apr 17 07:54 |
| gde33 | no more tax evading multinationals | Apr 17 07:54 |
| gde33 | no more rollback of labor laws aka uberization | Apr 17 07:54 |
| gde33 | he is an endless river of good ideas | Apr 17 07:54 |
| gde33 | we see him quote chavez and have varoufakis in his audience :P | Apr 17 07:56 |
| gde33 | no more microsoft in government, everything must be open source | Apr 17 07:56 |
| gde33 | kids must learn to write software as it is the new language | Apr 17 07:57 |
| gde33 | and other radical shit like: france needs 60 000 new professors | Apr 17 07:58 |
| gde33 | in stead of piles of student debt the new professors will have to teach in university for 10 years | Apr 17 07:58 |
| oiaohm | Really lot of change is required to get out of techical debt problem. | Apr 17 08:00 |
| gde33 | oiaohm: what is the technical debt problem? | Apr 17 08:01 |
| oiaohm | You have a lot of people setting up businesses in the cloud with no IT security knowledge or law background these are major technical knowledge debt. It going to come back and bite at some point. | Apr 17 08:02 |
| gde33 | ah yes, I just looked it up. | Apr 17 08:03 |
| gde33 | "a concept in programming that reflects the extra development work that arises when code that is easy to implement in the short run is used instead of applying the best overall solution" | Apr 17 08:03 |
| gde33 | I'm an exelent front end javascript developer. There are no jobs of that kind. | Apr 17 08:03 |
| oiaohm | Yep that is like if you compare sel4 to everything else. | Apr 17 08:03 |
| oiaohm | sel4 is technically mathematically secure. | Apr 17 08:04 |
| gde33 | They all want you to use some either crap outdated libraries or new ones that are potentially worse | Apr 17 08:04 |
| oiaohm | https://sel4.systems/ | Apr 17 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sel4.systems | Home | seL4 | Apr 17 08:04 | |
| gde33 | I'm there already, dont worry ;) | Apr 17 08:04 |
| oiaohm | sel4 if you don't know is a demostration in the most secure development process you can use. | Apr 17 08:04 |
| oiaohm | So you compare that to everything else and everything else looks horrible. | Apr 17 08:05 |
| gde33 | I already had that impression | Apr 17 08:05 |
| gde33 | As early as the late 80's I argued that a computer should be made up of heavily isolated processors each with their own memory and their own disk | Apr 17 08:06 |
| gde33 | fast communication between processes is not worth the risk | Apr 17 08:06 |
| gde33 | virtual memory is a hoax :P | Apr 17 08:06 |
| oiaohm | sel4 does contain virtual memory. | Apr 17 08:07 |
| oiaohm | But design is heavily audited. | Apr 17 08:07 |
| gde33 | I was basically arguing for single purpose computers | Apr 17 08:07 |
| gde33 | a sub-system to run irc wouldn't have to cost 5 euro and the client can be mostly made in hardware | Apr 17 08:08 |
| oiaohm | I know the idea of single purpose computers was considered by Australian mil CSIRO started work on sel4 because of the power usage problem. | Apr 17 08:08 |
| gde33 | heavily audited sounds much better than what we have which is ummm shooting from the hip? | Apr 17 08:08 |
| schestowitz | https://freezepeach.xyz/notice/2089934 | Apr 17 08:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freezepeach.xyz | FreezePeach | Apr 17 08:09 | |
| schestowitz | "SystemD is worthless and Poettering is a retard." | Apr 17 08:09 |
| schestowitz | https://mastodon.social/users/rysiek/updates/1902720 | Apr 17 08:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Mastodon | Apr 17 08:09 | |
| schestowitz | " awww, Lennart can't handle criticism of his own uninformed remarks: "poettering locked and limited conversation to collaborators 3 hours ago"" | Apr 17 08:09 |
| oiaohm | gde33: Shooting from the hip suggests a person has a pants and gun. | Apr 17 08:10 |
| oiaohm | gde33: you would say current development is like trying to catch a greesed pig on a shed that is greesed and wondering why you are having problems in most cases. | Apr 17 08:10 |
| gde33 | then when you ask why a problem exists everyone starts acting weird. | Apr 17 08:11 |
| gde33 | we've always managed the pigs like this??? | Apr 17 08:11 |
| oiaohm | gde33: exactly. | Apr 17 08:12 |
| gde33 | I was just pondering a totally secure messaging system. Imagine this: A battery powered computer without a network connection with one or more multi TB hardrives containing a enormous lookup table. | Apr 17 08:12 |
| oiaohm | Like it basic thing missing like how many projects don't have a proper test suite. | Apr 17 08:12 |
| oiaohm | That is run regularly to make sure when they fix a fault it never comes back. | Apr 17 08:12 |
| gde33 | then you type your message, each character is matched with one in the table and replaced by its address. | Apr 17 08:12 |
| gde33 | then you put the addresses on an usb stick and send it to the other person | Apr 17 08:13 |
| gde33 | who loads it onto an usb stick again | Apr 17 08:13 |
| gde33 | then decodes it on the system | Apr 17 08:13 |
| oiaohm | usb stick has a microcontroller most can pretend to be a keyboard if hacked. | Apr 17 08:13 |
| gde33 | Maybe a dvd is better, more of a dead medium | Apr 17 08:13 |
| oiaohm | Lot of fun you can have with a rogue USB stick. | Apr 17 08:14 |
| gde33 | it has to have a bunch of buffering mechanisms that accept and forward a message | Apr 17 08:14 |
| gde33 | say 100 of those | Apr 17 08:14 |
| gde33 | all implemented in hardware | Apr 17 08:14 |
| gde33 | leaving only a dead message | Apr 17 08:14 |
| oiaohm | Secure does not require dead sel4 team audits particular chips right down and into the silicon level. | Apr 17 08:15 |
| oiaohm | But that end up with only 1 or 2 cpu out of all the cpu out there that pass. | Apr 17 08:15 |
| oiaohm | Its like the right to repair problem. We have stopped demarding total details of the devices we use. | Apr 17 08:17 |
| gde33 | o god yes | Apr 17 08:17 |
| oiaohm | John deer trackers costing farmers money by electronically breaking down is a good one. | Apr 17 08:17 |
| gde33 | that is probably the best example | Apr 17 08:17 |
| oiaohm | this could also damage our food production in a bad way. | Apr 17 08:18 |
| gde33 | farmers here already got rid of the technical staff | Apr 17 08:18 |
| oiaohm | Yep so a technical black hole of people who know nothing. | Apr 17 08:18 |
| gde33 | maybe it is a good way to end the deere monopoly | Apr 17 08:18 |
| oiaohm | Who then go and buy something that cannot be fixed. | Apr 17 08:19 |
| oiaohm | That they critically depend on. | Apr 17 08:19 |
| oiaohm | LCA one over a pacemaker in a IT person who attends defcon events. Now that is a nightmare and a half. | Apr 17 08:20 |
| gde33 | everything here is split up into seperate industries to the byzre level. One owns the land, the next hires a company to plant crops, | Apr 17 08:20 |
| oiaohm | How many of the pacemakers these days that are bluetooth or wifi. | Apr 17 08:20 |
| gde33 | then he hires ones to maintain the crops | Apr 17 08:20 |
| gde33 | then he hires ones to harvest them | Apr 17 08:20 |
| gde33 | then they go in trucks owned by a differnt company | Apr 17 08:20 |
| oiaohm | Now a bluetooth or wifi pacemaker at a defcon would be a death wish. | Apr 17 08:20 |
| gde33 | who only bring it to the auction | Apr 17 08:20 |
| gde33 | the most worrying part is how easy the general public can be forced to talk about any number of bullshit topics | Apr 17 08:22 |
| oiaohm | Even that they are split up that way. We have that splitting happen here in Australia at places but that still does not explain techical debt. | Apr 17 08:22 |
| oiaohm | Foolish cost cutting. | Apr 17 08:22 |
| oiaohm | Machines that cannot be field repaired get really expensive really quick. | Apr 17 08:22 |
| gde33 | yeah, these companies here only drive brand new tractors | Apr 17 08:23 |
| gde33 | 3 maybe 4 years then its time for a new one | Apr 17 08:23 |
| gde33 | when the "old" still has most of its value | Apr 17 08:24 |
| gde33 | simply to avoid these weird repair structures | Apr 17 08:24 |
| oiaohm | Problem here is trackers have not been lasting 12 months without needing repair. | Apr 17 08:24 |
| gde33 | wow | Apr 17 08:24 |
| oiaohm | john dear has intergrated so much into a tractor core systems is insane. | Apr 17 08:25 |
| gde33 | like with cars some people around the globe converted tractors to electric | Apr 17 08:25 |
| gde33 | they say its absolutely fabulous | Apr 17 08:25 |
| gde33 | in stead of spending the day in engine noise one can hear the birds | Apr 17 08:25 |
| oiaohm | Like gps nav being connected to the engine management system. | Apr 17 08:25 |
| oiaohm | to save on chip costs. | Apr 17 08:26 |
| gde33 | 3d printing will eventually destroy all these monopolies | Apr 17 08:26 |
| gde33 | as soon as the technical drawins are in the public domain one can order any part | Apr 17 08:26 |
| gde33 | you know #opensourceecology ? | Apr 17 08:27 |
| gde33 | they are building an open source tractor | Apr 17 08:27 |
| oiaohm | 3d printing will not solve everything. There are just some things were molding processes production the best results. | Apr 17 08:27 |
| gde33 | evolving the design | Apr 17 08:27 |
| gde33 | 3d printing will require radically different designs | Apr 17 08:27 |
| oiaohm | I have seen the open source tractor. | Apr 17 08:28 |
| gde33 | there is a company making a kind of carbon fiber lego kit | Apr 17 08:28 |
| gde33 | you only print the joints | Apr 17 08:28 |
| oiaohm | The biggest issue for all this 3d printed stuff is Work Health and Safety (OHS) | Apr 17 08:30 |
| oiaohm | gde33: one thing is to make stuff. Its another problem to certify it as safe to use. | Apr 17 08:32 |
| oiaohm | gde33: so 3d printing is less than half the problem. | Apr 17 08:32 |
| gde33 | from what I understood the strength of the lego kit was much easier to calculate | Apr 17 08:33 |
| gde33 | by mass producing fixed size rods with pin joints they could deliver quality carbon fiber for very low prices | Apr 17 08:33 |
| gde33 | trying to find a link | Apr 17 08:34 |
| gde33 | https://youtu.be/O9odhgH24oA | Apr 17 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-First 3D Printed Supercar - A New Way To Build Cars - YouTube | Apr 17 08:36 | |
| oiaohm | https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/164221-mit-develops-carbon-fiber-lego-bricks-that-can-be-fashioned-into-airplanes-rockets-bridges This was the one I was thinking of. | Apr 17 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MIT's carbon fiber 'Lego bricks' can be fashioned into airplanes, rockets, bridges - ExtremeTech | Apr 17 08:36 | |
| gde33 | oh it actually comes out of localmotors | Apr 17 08:41 |
| gde33 | http://www.divergent3d.com | Apr 17 08:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.divergent3d.com | Divergent - Green Automotive Manufacturing | Apr 17 08:43 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/4L3m3u9.jpg | Apr 17 08:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Anarcho-capitalists? | Apr 17 08:50 |
| MinceR | yes | Apr 17 08:51 |
| MinceR | though the capitalist part isn't really important in this case | Apr 17 08:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It if it's, then why's it's not the anarchist flag? | Apr 17 08:52 |
| XRevan86 | If it is* | Apr 17 08:52 |
| MinceR | due to the preferences of the author | Apr 17 08:54 |
| *XRevan86 puts the equality mark between anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism. | Apr 17 08:54 | |
| MinceR | though apparently some alleged 'anarcho-capitalist' 'libertarians' i know are actually christian fundamentalist cryptofascists | Apr 17 08:54 |
| MinceR | i guess there go another 2 terms that have lost their meanings | Apr 17 08:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Maybe all they want is to get the government out of their fundamentalist way :). | Apr 17 08:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853950877228568577 | Apr 17 08:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The five best Linux distros | Apr 17 08:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/4vX8jLgAxJ (www.pcadvisor.co.uk) | Apr 17 08:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 08:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcadvisor.co.uk | The Five Best Linux Distros to Use - PC Advisor | Apr 17 08:56 | |
| MinceR | i think they just realized it's more socially acceptable to not advertise their regressive ways | Apr 17 08:56 |
| MinceR | the way things are going, they'll come out in a decade or two | Apr 17 08:56 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, I'm more of a GPL person than BSDL. | Apr 17 08:59 |
| XRevan86 | Protect the most freedoms of the user by restricting some freedoms that lead to malicious actions against all freedoms. | Apr 17 09:01 |
| XRevan86 | - I defend individual rights. - Can I create a monopoly and charge everybody extra? - It's your right. | Apr 17 09:02 |
| XRevan86 | Anti-monopoly committees reduce people's freedoms in the same way GPL reduces freedoms, hence the parallel. | Apr 17 09:05 |
| MinceR | if only they worked. | Apr 17 09:05 |
| MinceR | but at least the GPLv3 might still be effective against patent treachery | Apr 17 09:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's all up to the implementation. | Apr 17 09:06 |
| XRevan86 | Same applies to GPLv2 and it used to work, but now it kind of doesn't. | Apr 17 09:06 |
| MinceR | there are limits to what copyright (and patent) law can do for you | Apr 17 09:07 |
| MinceR | this is something the people at the Gratis Windows Foundation seem to have forgotten | Apr 17 09:07 |
| XRevan86 | ReactOS has a foundation now? | Apr 17 09:08 |
| MinceR | no, there was a foundation that used to be about free software | Apr 17 09:08 |
| MinceR | then they started supporting lendows instead | Apr 17 09:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: When RMS said he doesn't particularily care? | Apr 17 09:10 |
| MinceR | he said it's "free" and "ethical" | Apr 17 09:10 |
| MinceR | also, the point of the foundation used to be to particularly care | Apr 17 09:10 |
| MinceR | but i guess red hat's donations are more important than freedom | Apr 17 09:11 |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9nRaFRXgAE3bPN.jpg:large | Apr 17 09:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853955239128387587 | Apr 17 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The five best Linux distros https://t.co/pFuH0iXCpq | Apr 17 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/jL6vspoeJX | Apr 17 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 09:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The five best Linux distros | Tux Machines | Apr 17 09:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: The five best Linux distros https://t.co/pFuH0iXCpq https://t.co/jL6vspoeJX | Apr 17 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853963527488327680 | Apr 17 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | In Defence of Dmitry Bogatov https://t.co/vc6mlrDaNA | Apr 17 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 17 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 09:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In Defence of Dmitry Bogatov | Tux Machines | Apr 17 09:48 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/GsTHWA9.gifv (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/XLBUE ) | Apr 17 10:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Oh, just Lego making paper aeroplanes. | Apr 17 10:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Paper Aeroplane making Lego robot - Album on Imgur | Apr 17 10:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853973915550527489 | Apr 17 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | [Video] No Ubuntu Unity, No Linux Phones? | Apr 17 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Geekoutdoors.com EP368 | Apr 17 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gc1EHbaaMI (www.youtube.com) | Apr 17 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 10:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No Ubuntu Unity, No Linux Phones? #Geekoutdoors.com EP368 - YouTube | Apr 17 10:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853975580135612416 | Apr 17 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Calligra 3.0.1 update released https://t.co/0VKHoBBhfI | Apr 17 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.calligra.org) | Apr 17 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 10:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.calligra.org | Calligra 3.0.1 update released | Calligra Suite | Apr 17 10:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853980007680454657 | Apr 17 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/QRy8pooYUg | Apr 17 10:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 10:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 17 10:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853980014500392960 | Apr 17 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enjade Wants to Recreate the Unity Desktop on KDE Plasma | Apr 17 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/NEbxyUVa5Z (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 17 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0jY8pAiZj4 | Apr 17 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 10:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Enjade Wants to Recreate the Unity Desktop on KDE Plasma | Tux Machines | Apr 17 10:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Enjade Wants to Recreate the Unity Desktop on KDE Plasma https://t.co/NEbxyUVa5Z https://t.co/0jY8pAiZj4 | Apr 17 10:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853981371278266370 | Apr 17 10:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | mesa 17.0.4 released https://t.co/j85EGvVV1u | Apr 17 10:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lists.freedesktop.org) | Apr 17 10:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 10:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [Mesa-dev] [ANNOUNCE] mesa 17.0.4 | Apr 17 10:45 | |
| XRevan86 | https://s17.postimg.org/4uwfplusf/image.png (src: http://bash.im/comics/20170417) | Apr 17 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bash.im | ??? ? 17 ??? 2017 ? ???? #444225 ? ???? ??? | Apr 17 10:47 | |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 17 10:47 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/vOanXdi.gifv | Apr 17 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Shredding a bunch of Backup Tape | Apr 17 10:50 | |
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| MinceR | https://444.hu/2017/04/17/data-protection-agency-investigates-govt-sending-personal-data-of-hungarian-citizens-to-russia | Apr 17 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-444.hu | Data protection agency investigates gov't sending personal data of Hungarian citizens to Russia - 444 | Apr 17 10:58 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: satire site? | Apr 17 11:02 |
| schestowitz | date? | Apr 17 11:02 |
| schestowitz | (just checking) | Apr 17 11:02 |
| MinceR | unfortunately it isn't satire | Apr 17 11:02 |
| schestowitz | new? | Apr 17 11:02 |
| MinceR | it's one of the 2 news sites the fascists love to attack | Apr 17 11:03 |
| MinceR | so they must be on to something | Apr 17 11:03 |
| MinceR | it has today's date, yes | Apr 17 11:03 |
| schestowitz | ok | Apr 17 11:04 |
| schestowitz | maybe I need JS | Apr 17 11:04 |
| schestowitz | to see dates | Apr 17 11:04 |
| schestowitz | some sites work this idiotically | Apr 17 11:04 |
| schestowitz | Motherboard for example, IIRC | Apr 17 11:04 |
| XRevan86 | > On Saturday, April 8th, using publicly available online tools, 444.hu recorded the Hungarian government’s National Consultation website forwarding a dummy email address (created for testing purposes) to an IP address registered to Yandex in Moscow. | Apr 17 11:04 |
| XRevan86 | Oh noes! | Apr 17 11:04 |
| *XRevan86 can't read this seriously. | Apr 17 11:04 | |
| MinceR | it's in the url | Apr 17 11:05 |
| XRevan86 | What exactly did happen? The article is so full of fluff I hardly find anything to-the-point. | Apr 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853982636406190081 | Apr 17 11:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter worth some | Apr 17 11:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux gamer attention https://t.co/hsioQrKYi2 | Apr 17 11:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) "promised same-day Linux | Apr 17 11:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | support!" | Apr 17 11:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter worth some Linux gamer attention | GamingOnLinux | Apr 17 11:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 11:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @inbetweengames favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...' | Apr 17 11:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @inbetweengames retweeted @tuxmachines: 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...' | Apr 17 11:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @AHowesy favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...' | Apr 17 11:07 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/QxdqvT5.gifv (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/QxdqvT5 ) | Apr 17 11:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | When you browse Imgur on you phone at night and you accidentally click on an ad. | Apr 17 11:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When you browse Imgur on you phone at night and you accidentally click on an ad. - GIF on Imgur | Apr 17 11:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @morinoshimaka favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...' | Apr 17 11:08 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: a while ago fidesz started this "national consultation" bullshit, implying that it's a replacement for referenda, which it isn't | Apr 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | like Erdogan | Apr 17 11:08 |
| MinceR | always filled with extreme demagoguery both in questions and options for answers | Apr 17 11:08 |
| MinceR | this of course costs taxpayers a lot | Apr 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | who controls everything inc. media, like Orban | Apr 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Who make certification for media/blogs needed | Apr 17 11:09 |
| MinceR | a possible function of this is to keep a list of fidesz supporters with names, addresses | Apr 17 11:09 |
| MinceR | at some point they made a web-based version of it | Apr 17 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853988447840632833 | Apr 17 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Graphics in Linux: Mesa 17.0.4 and More | Apr 17 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/n5x09h1iU6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 17 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 11:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics in Linux: Mesa 17.0.4 and More | Tux Machines | Apr 17 11:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Eyesiah favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...' | Apr 17 11:09 | |
| MinceR | which apparently not only uses Yandex Metrika (provided by people owned by orban's buddy putin), but also enables "webvisor" | Apr 17 11:10 |
| MinceR | which sends all keystrokes to Yandex, including everything typed into fields not marked as protected | Apr 17 11:10 |
| MinceR | naturally, the fields for personal information (such as name, address) were not marked as protected | Apr 17 11:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Fidesz is the leading party? | Apr 17 11:10 |
| MinceR | yes | Apr 17 11:10 |
| MinceR | it's the state party | Apr 17 11:10 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Eyesiah retweeted @tuxmachines: 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...' | Apr 17 11:10 | |
| schestowitz | I always think of Fidel Castro when I hear its name | Apr 17 11:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: United Hungary, got it. | Apr 17 11:11 |
| MinceR | it also has a tumor on it called kdnp, but it's meaningless aside from a bit of advertisement and legal trickery | Apr 17 11:11 |
| MinceR | the Hungarian National Socialist Worker's Party :> | Apr 17 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Or(Muslim)Ban | Apr 17 11:11 |
| schestowitz | wait, what? | Apr 17 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Not a real expansion, right? | Apr 17 11:11 |
| MinceR | what do you mean? | Apr 17 11:11 |
| schestowitz | national sociialist | Apr 17 11:12 |
| MinceR | not official | Apr 17 11:12 |
| schestowitz | ah :-) | Apr 17 11:12 |
| MinceR | just a reference to the commie state party | Apr 17 11:12 |
| schestowitz | what does that make Jobbik? | Apr 17 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Jobless? | Apr 17 11:12 |
| MinceR | which ended up being called 'mszmp', hungarian socialist worker's party | Apr 17 11:12 |
| MinceR | jobbik is the faithful supporter from outside the government | Apr 17 11:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Using third-party services like that on sensitive data related pages is a very stupid decision. | Apr 17 11:12 |
| MinceR | and miep is practically dead | Apr 17 11:12 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: yes it is | Apr 17 11:13 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: especially using one close to the khuilo | Apr 17 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they're like UKIP to Tories | Apr 17 11:13 |
| schestowitz | For the Tories to bolster their support base | Apr 17 11:13 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: especially with webvisor turned on, without any field marked as protected | Apr 17 11:13 |
| schestowitz | by appealing to racists and bigots | Apr 17 11:13 |
| MinceR | though i think it was all deliberate | Apr 17 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Orban could use backing from Jobbik's goons | Apr 17 11:13 |
| MinceR | maybe they want the FSB's support in the next sham 'election' | Apr 17 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Hungary 3rd | Apr 17 11:13 |
| schestowitz | US 1st | Apr 17 11:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 17 11:14 |
| schestowitz | "American first" | Apr 17 11:14 |
| schestowitz | "America first" | Apr 17 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Wait | Apr 17 11:14 |
| schestowitz | what about EU | Apr 17 11:14 |
| schestowitz | ...? | Apr 17 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Hungary is fourth | Apr 17 11:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yandex is actually not a company located in Russia (it's taxes, yeah). | Apr 17 11:14 |
| MinceR | EARTH FIRST! We'll strip-mine the other planets later. | Apr 17 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Vote Orban, Hungary fourth! | Apr 17 11:14 |
| XRevan86 | But they really do conform to the govt requests because they do business here. | Apr 17 11:14 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: hq is in moscow | Apr 17 11:14 |
| MinceR | and the ceo lives in moscow as well | Apr 17 11:15 |
| XRevan86 | And most of the servers are in Russia as well (not all of them). | Apr 17 11:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But, ye know, he could live. | Apr 17 11:17 |
| XRevan86 | leave* | Apr 17 11:17 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @JanDavidHassel favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...' | Apr 17 11:17 | |
| MinceR | good for him | Apr 17 11:17 |
| XRevan86 | I'm getting to the fact that Google conforms to a lot of govt requests too. | Apr 17 11:17 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 17 11:17 |
| MinceR | which is why using google analytics in the same position would also have been unacceptable | Apr 17 11:17 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @spf13 favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...' | Apr 17 11:18 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yet all the focus is on Yandex specifically. | Apr 17 11:18 |
| MinceR | i wonder why | Apr 17 11:18 |
| XRevan86 | They've probably replaced analytics on other ones and called it a day. | Apr 17 11:18 |
| MinceR | oh, also, of course the commie state party was renamed several times | Apr 17 11:20 |
| MinceR | "hungarian workers' party", "hungarian communist party", then the above | Apr 17 11:21 |
| MinceR | they pulled a microsoft before microsoft even existed :> | Apr 17 11:21 |
| MinceR | apparently yandex used to be registered in the netherlands | Apr 17 11:24 |
| XRevan86 | In Russia there's now a party called KPSS existing %). | Apr 17 11:24 |
| XRevan86 | It's like a Nokla of political parties | Apr 17 11:24 |
| MinceR | i wonder what sort of pressure putler used on them to force them to move to russia | Apr 17 11:24 |
| XRevan86 | (Communist Party of Social Justice) | Apr 17 11:24 |
| MinceR | http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/putins-fear-of-the-internet http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-yandex-listing-idUSKBN0EE1NO20140603 | Apr 17 11:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newyorker.com | Putin’s Fear of the Internet - The New Yorker | Apr 17 11:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russian search engine Yandex shows loyalty with Moscow listing | Reuters | Apr 17 11:24 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: what is it reminiscent of? | Apr 17 11:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: KPSS, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union | Apr 17 11:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 17 11:25 |
| MinceR | the sad part is that people do fall for this crap | Apr 17 11:25 |
| MinceR | hungary has a party called "worker's party" (munkaspart) and they are not without votes | Apr 17 11:25 |
| XRevan86 | they've managed to get a seat in the parliament | Apr 17 11:25 |
| MinceR | it's led by an asshole from mszmp | Apr 17 11:26 |
| MinceR | but i guess i shouldn't be surprised | Apr 17 11:26 |
| MinceR | apparently most people's only problem with totalitarian dictatorships is that they use a swastika instead of sickle+hammer, or vice versa | Apr 17 11:27 |
| MinceR | they like being enslaved, tread upon and robbed, but they demand it happens with the right symbols | Apr 17 11:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Dictatorships can use any symbols they want, it's part of the curse. | Apr 17 11:29 |
| XRevan86 | The world is not protected from a dictatorship suddenly popping up with a statue of liberty as the main symbol or something. | Apr 17 11:29 |
| MinceR | sure, but people shouldn't be misled by a few symbols | Apr 17 11:29 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently people better connect with symbols than with actual political programmes. | Apr 17 11:30 |
| MinceR | the latter probably involves too much thinking (that is, nonzero) | Apr 17 11:30 |
| MinceR | and thus the self-described 'intelligent species' dooms itself to slavery and extinction just to avoid having to actually think for once | Apr 17 11:34 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, we usually do actually think after the fact :). | Apr 17 11:37 |
| XRevan86 | lose freedom not caringly, regain freedom with blood, lose freedom, regain, lost, regain | Apr 17 11:38 |
| XRevan86 | So it does happen, just too late. | Apr 17 11:38 |
| MinceR | i wonder if they'll even want to regain it ever again | Apr 17 11:41 |
| MinceR | hungarians have certainly thrown their freedom away voluntarily in 2010 | Apr 17 11:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Maybe they're like Russians: they just don't really notice it yet. | Apr 17 11:42 |
| XRevan86 | Some people notice, but for the majority it's business as usual. | Apr 17 11:43 |
| MinceR | well, if they cared to learn about this 'democracy' and 'republic' they welcomed in 1989, they'd be aware of what was happening | Apr 17 11:43 |
| MinceR | things like what freedom of speech and rule of law are and why they're necessary | Apr 17 11:44 |
| MinceR | (the latter only in a state, of course) | Apr 17 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/almutschwacke/status/853995019157594113 | Apr 17 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter worth some | Apr 17 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @almutschwacke Linux gamer attention https://t.co/hsioQrKYi2 | Apr 17 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) "promised same-day Linux | Apr 17 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | support!" | Apr 17 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter worth some Linux gamer attention | GamingOnLinux | Apr 17 11:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 11:45 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's easier to imagine problems of having freedom of speech than problems of the state capable of shutting people up. | Apr 17 11:45 |
| MinceR | is it? | Apr 17 11:46 |
| XRevan86 | So people don't see until they have the happy ability to experience censorship on themselves. | Apr 17 11:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently it is. | Apr 17 11:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853997846621716480 | Apr 17 11:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | NU/Linux Review: Xubuntu 17.04 Zesty Zapus | Apr 17 11:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/T8FjCGG14P (www.ubuntubuzz.com) | Apr 17 11:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 11:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntubuzz.com | GNU/Linux Review: Xubuntu 17.04 Zesty Zapus | Apr 17 11:47 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'NU/Linux Review: Xubuntu 17.04 Zesty Zapus https://t.co/T8FjCGG14P' | Apr 17 11:47 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://freezepeach.xyz/notice/2093169 | Apr 17 11:49 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/BIVFBPX.jpg | Apr 17 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freezepeach.xyz | FreezePeach | Apr 17 11:49 | |
| schestowitz | " HUNGRY for personal data." | Apr 17 11:49 |
| MinceR | >Please enable javascript to use this site. | Apr 17 11:49 |
| MinceR | and i can't even copy-paste that error message | Apr 17 11:50 |
| MinceR | also, :) | Apr 17 11:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Compare: "the ability to shut a mass-murder advocate up" and "government corruption through forbidding opposition using stretched twisted interpretations of censorship laws". What's an easier concept to grasp? %) | Apr 17 11:50 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: they don't have "the ability to not listen to a mass-murder advocate"? | Apr 17 11:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What if somebody will listen? Horrors | Apr 17 11:50 |
| MinceR | what if somebody will think of it without being told? | Apr 17 11:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why not LibreJS? ;) | Apr 17 11:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: People still like to silence people whom they don't like. | Apr 17 11:52 |
| MinceR | of course | Apr 17 11:54 |
| MinceR | and it never occurs to them that someone else might want to silence them | Apr 17 11:55 |
| MinceR | this isn't rocket surgery | Apr 17 11:55 |
| MinceR | yet "look at me, i'm so much smarter than all the other animals!" | Apr 17 11:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's a weird assumption that the government will only use those powers on bad people. | Apr 17 11:57 |
| XRevan86 | and everybody's good in his own eyes | Apr 17 11:57 |
| MinceR | everybody imagines themselves to be the emperor | Apr 17 11:57 |
| MinceR | every fucking time | Apr 17 11:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, not the emperor. | Apr 17 11:59 |
| XRevan86 | A part of the safe majority. | Apr 17 11:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ask anybody what are the chances of them getting into prison. | Apr 17 12:00 |
| MinceR | there's no "safe majority" in the dictatorships they're so enamored with | Apr 17 12:00 |
| XRevan86 | "prisons are not for me, they are for criminals" | Apr 17 12:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Maybe in Saudi Arabia people realise that. | Apr 17 12:01 |
| XRevan86 | or in North Korea | Apr 17 12:01 |
| MinceR | well, hungary used to be a stalinist-style dictatorship before | Apr 17 12:02 |
| MinceR | these dumbasses learned exactly nothing from it | Apr 17 12:02 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder what happens with Turkey now. | Apr 17 12:04 |
| MinceR | it gets worse | Apr 17 12:04 |
| XRevan86 | I've heard Erdogan now has super-powers. | Apr 17 12:04 |
| MinceR | economy dies in it, as it always does in oppression | Apr 17 12:04 |
| MinceR | but it probably won't become uncompetitive, as the EU, the USA and others are going to hell as well | Apr 17 12:05 |
| MinceR | maybe we'll get a mercykill from an asteroid | Apr 17 12:05 |
| MinceR | probably not | Apr 17 12:05 |
| *XRevan86 opts-out of the mercykill. | Apr 17 12:05 | |
| MinceR | we'll just keep on turning more and more of the planet into desert, pollute everything including the air and formerly drinkable water sources | Apr 17 12:05 |
| XRevan86 | from the* | Apr 17 12:06 |
| MinceR | get ever more religious wars, plagues, famines | Apr 17 12:06 |
| MinceR | fire off a few nuclear exchanges | Apr 17 12:06 |
| MinceR | and die out, taking most multicellular life with us | Apr 17 12:06 |
| MinceR | and then maybe one day intelligent life will evolve on this planet | Apr 17 12:06 |
| MinceR | https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/65t4vh/a_man_was_walking_along_the_street_when_he_saw_a/ | Apr 17 12:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | A man was walking along the street when he saw a ladder going into the clouds : Jokes | Apr 17 12:08 | |
| MinceR | oh, and of course, no technological or scientific progress | Apr 17 12:09 |
| MinceR | just religious fundamentalism | Apr 17 12:09 |
| MinceR | in some places with cult of personality, in others, abrahamic religion, in others, both | Apr 17 12:10 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/60gLzAG.gif | Apr 17 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853998296871972865 | Apr 17 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mesa Lands GLVND Support For EGL https://t.co/5TKcwuAjUj | Apr 17 12:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa Lands GLVND Support For EGL - Phoronix | Apr 17 12:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854005439465373696 | Apr 17 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNU/Linux Review: Xubuntu 17.04 Zesty Zapus | Apr 17 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DlwNpBUUcm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 17 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SUX0qhKPrJ | Apr 17 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 12:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux Review: Xubuntu 17.04 Zesty Zapus | Tux Machines | Apr 17 12:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: GNU/Linux Review: Xubuntu 17.04 Zesty Zapus https://t.co/DlwNpBUUcm https://t.co/SUX0qhKPrJ | Apr 17 12:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854005444028674048 | Apr 17 12:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PDF Split And Merge 'PDFSAM' Does Exactly What It Says | Apr 17 12:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/NfCu40WsBH (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 17 12:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PDF Split And Merge 'PDFSAM' Does Exactly What It Says | Tux Machines | Apr 17 12:16 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: wtf? | Apr 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | that was very unexpected | Apr 17 12:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 17 12:20 |
| MinceR | that's why it's funny | Apr 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Apr 17 12:20 |
| MinceR | unfortunately it also looks very fake | Apr 17 12:20 |
| MinceR | the mouth of the wolf stretches unrealistically and there's no blood | Apr 17 12:20 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Canonical, Microsoft, Apple | Apr 17 12:22 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: ? | Apr 17 12:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: your favourite companies :ed | Apr 17 12:23 |
| sebsebseb | :d | Apr 17 12:23 |
| MinceR | not really | Apr 17 12:23 |
| sebsebseb | yep you love them | Apr 17 12:23 |
| MinceR | not really | Apr 17 12:23 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: guess what still going to show at an event this weekend, to try and get public interested in Linux ? | Apr 17 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: the fakeness makes it funnier | Apr 17 12:31 |
| MinceR | from playing Brutal Doom, i can tell that added gore can also make it funnier | Apr 17 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854005449862946816 | Apr 17 12:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | i3 A Tiling Window Manager For Advanced Users | Apr 17 12:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | i3 A Tiling Window Manager For Advanced Users | Tux Machines | Apr 17 12:39 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange One day you will be...' | Apr 17 12:39 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange One day you will be free, but...' | Apr 17 12:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@KevJames91 @PENamerican @wikileaks That's like calling Trump a...' | Apr 17 12:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854013729800822784 | Apr 17 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/6VCANwXvrB | Apr 17 12:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Apr 17 12:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854013736536875011 | Apr 17 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Financial News and Fedora's New Mission Statement | Apr 17 12:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Financial News and Fedora's New Mission Statement | Tux Machines | Apr 17 12:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854013738726313985 | Apr 17 12:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Leftovers https://t.co/wBKjeOK8XE | Apr 17 12:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 17 12:49 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/4HTvAGM.jpg | Apr 17 13:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854013740814958592 | Apr 17 13:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | FOSS at Events https://t.co/iBG4MgcfUI | Apr 17 13:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FOSS at Events | Tux Machines | Apr 17 13:22 | |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/iXS0q2Q.gifv (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/iXS0q2Q ) | Apr 17 13:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | The Dark Side of Hickok45 | Apr 17 13:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Dark Side of Hickok45 - GIF on Imgur | Apr 17 13:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854022280157962240 | Apr 17 13:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Back End/Server https://t.co/vjlUKNaLPF | Apr 17 13:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Back End/Server | Tux Machines | Apr 17 13:34 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Arsenal #WengerOut for the loo. #AlexisOut on a...' | Apr 17 14:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/jesusguevarauto/status/854034427445424128 | Apr 17 14:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by today's howtos https://t.co/QRy8pooYUg | Apr 17 14:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @jesusguevarauto (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 17 14:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 17 14:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @BadActorsGame favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...' | Apr 17 14:32 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/N4r4G | Apr 17 14:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A cat you may not have heard of - Album on Imgur | Apr 17 14:33 | |
| MinceR | http://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/tc5-8.jpg | Apr 17 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: these unity 8 forks could be good for desktop Linux in general it seems, since they want to be distro agnostic it seems as well so | Apr 17 14:53 |
| MinceR | except unity was never good | Apr 17 14:54 |
| MinceR | and shuttlecock's goons breaking systray support in every application was also never good | Apr 17 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: systray? | Apr 17 14:55 |
| MinceR | system tray | Apr 17 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: what with how? | Apr 17 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | there icons ? | Apr 17 14:56 |
| MinceR | standard way of having small (typically 22x22 pixel) icons on your panel | Apr 17 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | if you mean the icons down the left are a bit bigger | Apr 17 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | then sure | Apr 17 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well unity 7 is going to die, and unity 8 is having two forks | Apr 17 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Apr 17 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | Unity 7 is to tighed to compiz and xorg, so | Apr 17 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: they also want the unity 8 forks working with wayland ! | Apr 17 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | seems will try and drop mir for them even | Apr 17 14:58 |
| MinceR | i'll start caring about wayland when it will have an implementation that doesn't depend on cancerd | Apr 17 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: cancered h eh you mean systemd ? | Apr 17 15:01 |
| MinceR | yes | Apr 17 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | well | Apr 17 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | xorg is going bye bye to be replaced with waylanf so | Apr 17 15:02 |
| MinceR | no, not really | Apr 17 15:02 |
| MinceR | it's not going to be replaced with something that depends on canced | Apr 17 15:02 |
| MinceR | s/ced/cerd/ | Apr 17 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | sinvce xorg is apparantly now insecure in certain ways etc | Apr 17 15:02 |
| MinceR | good thing cancerd isn't! oh wait. | Apr 17 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | it will be in most distros | Apr 17 15:03 |
| MinceR | but yeah, gotta save myself of the massive insecurity of being able to take screenshots. | Apr 17 15:03 |
| MinceR | it's an outrage. | Apr 17 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | uh cant take screenshots i n wayland not sure about that | Apr 17 15:04 |
| *sebsebseb takes a lot of screenshots | Apr 17 15:04 | |
| MinceR | interesting | Apr 17 15:04 |
| MinceR | so being able take screenshots outside x is not a security hole? | Apr 17 15:04 |
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| sebsebseb | systemd loves MinceR | Apr 17 15:07 |
| MinceR | it's amusing how arbitrary functionality gets declared heresy or indispensable | Apr 17 15:07 |
| MinceR | independently of what the users need or think | Apr 17 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Apr 17 15:07 |
| MinceR | like the way they broke servers starting up or shutting down for the sake of being able to run multiseat desktops in 2016 | Apr 17 15:08 |
| MinceR | they love to throw out the baby with the bathwater, right into the wood chipper | Apr 17 15:09 |
| sebsebseb | who? and what you mean multiseat desktops | Apr 17 15:09 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Apr 17 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: the shooting thing is funny | Apr 17 15:24 |
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| MinceR | poettering and his cult | Apr 17 15:26 |
| MinceR | as for multiseat desktops, exactly. | Apr 17 15:26 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/ScabboE.jpg (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/G43bz ) | Apr 17 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | weird | Apr 17 15:38 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/5kN7YZp.jpg (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/GFusw ) | Apr 17 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-He will be deeply pissed. - Album on Imgur | Apr 17 16:01 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Arsenal #WengerOut for a cig. Will be back...' | Apr 17 16:07 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: multi seat is a by product. Logind was started before systemd so that when users logged out you did not end up with a growning number of never ending processes. | Apr 17 16:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and when user logged out you did not end up with the next user having aplicaitons from the prior user ever reconnecting. | Apr 17 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Arsène Wenger will have a very funny face today | Apr 17 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Arsenal not winning. Agai. | Apr 17 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Again | Apr 17 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Arsène #WengerOut | Apr 17 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/9146686#033099c005da013519c01acf4c22f836 | Apr 17 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Happy Tax Day! Here's How Corporations Plan to Screw You Over. https://theintercept.com/2017/04/17/happy-tax-day-heres-how-corporations-plan-to-screw-you-over/ e.g. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Microsoft_-_Tax | Apr 17 16:34 | |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 17 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> theintercept.com | Happy Tax Day! Here’s How Corporations Plan to Screw You Over. [ http://ur1.ca/qrod4 ] | Apr 17 16:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Microsoft - Tax - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/pq8ey ] | Apr 17 16:34 | |
| schestowitz | Actually as of 2008 I was told by Paul Gregorie of NYS’ Workers’ Comp Board that I have to leave. And not to send him more witness. They denied service. Acting to euthanize me is the final nail in their coffin it seems. | Apr 17 16:34 |
| schestowitz | And my father’s death, outside of custody, proves that as final now anew. | Apr 17 16:34 |
| schestowitz | They suppressed witness this way and despite that, I worked all day every day 7 days a week until now at times over 18 hours a day making witness. Child harms came latest with a drowning event in Canada for me and murder of other children. They wanted to avoid the child harms. | Apr 17 16:34 |
| schestowitz | If I can not live or do biz there then you can not either. No courts. No contracts. | Apr 17 16:34 |
| schestowitz | I will have to leave USA despite working for US IRS, US Postal, US DOD etc since they can not own my IP pay or tax me and knew all that all along. | Apr 17 16:34 |
| schestowitz | I likely have to seek asylum outside the USA. | Apr 17 16:34 |
| schestowitz | I am immune and they nullified. | Apr 17 16:35 |
| schestowitz | And I am Stateless. Been denied employ by Moore Business Forms now R Donnely. Motorola. SONY RD San Diego and they admit to vanity problems related to music and movie content as of 2005. | Apr 17 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Educators @ SUNY Buffalo are involved in degree frauds and other harms. | Apr 17 16:35 |
| schestowitz | www.cedar.buffalo.edu | Apr 17 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Dr Sargur Srihari and others are involved… | Apr 17 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Looks like I need to reside in another nation. | Apr 17 16:35 |
| schestowitz | http://terryallenjones.work/Academic_Murders.htm | Apr 17 16:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 17 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-terryallenjones.work | Academic Murders. [ http://ur1.ca/qrog0 ] | Apr 17 16:35 | |
| schestowitz | wtf? | Apr 17 16:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i don't care about the excuses | Apr 17 16:40 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/J58uF | Apr 17 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Big Star Wars Meme Dump Part 3 - Album on Imgur | Apr 17 16:44 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the screenshotting featue on wayland is different to X11 in two major way. Applications have to have permission to screenshot under Wayland and X11 does not need permissions every application can. Also taking a screenshot under wayland without full permission can see like password dialogs not appear in screenshot. | Apr 17 16:49 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: still not caring | Apr 17 16:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and that screenshotting feature was in wayland before first stable release. | Apr 17 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Is it possible at all to run an application like GParted under Wayland? | Apr 17 16:50 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: stop trying to force people to replace stable, workable software with unstable, unworkable software | Apr 17 16:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: X11 has documented points of unstable. | Apr 17 16:51 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: make it work first, then see people adopt it on their own. | Apr 17 16:51 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i don't care. X11 works for me. cancerd does not. | Apr 17 16:51 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and i'm not going to start keeping binary logs because some moron believes that i'm doing security exploits myself by taking screenshots. | Apr 17 16:51 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Gparted don't know how far. Remember under wayland you have xwayland to allow running older X11 applications while not giving them everything. | Apr 17 16:51 |
| MinceR | *while not giving them what they need to function | Apr 17 16:52 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Natively under Wayland that is. | Apr 17 16:52 |
| XRevan86 | A GUI partitioner | Apr 17 16:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: xwayland is no different to X11 under OS X or Windows. | Apr 17 16:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854063808137932801 | Apr 17 16:52 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i don't care, i don't use OSuX nor winblows. i use GNU/Linux. | Apr 17 16:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | I have seen the future of Ubuntu: Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 | Apr 17 16:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | review https://t.co/4LMI4rAQYz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 17 16:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/FHULuFTF3k | Apr 17 16:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 17 16:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | I have seen the future of Ubuntu: Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 review | Tux Machines | Apr 17 16:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: I have seen the future of Ubuntu: Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 review https://t.co/4LMI4rAQYz https://t.co/FHULuFTF3k | Apr 17 16:53 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and i do rely on being able to capture/warp the pointer regularly. | Apr 17 16:53 |
| MinceR | (oh, another "insecure" thing!) | Apr 17 16:53 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F25_bugs#wayland-root-apps there are a few conflicts some applications gparted being one of them. Running everything as root has be not recommend on X11 since forever. | Apr 17 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Common F25 bugs - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/qrojz ] | Apr 17 16:58 | |
| MinceR | TIL GParted was "everything" | Apr 17 16:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: everything inside a application. Yes Gparted GUI has been running as root when only its tools need to run as root. | Apr 17 17:00 |
| MinceR | so, where's the cult's replacement to GParted? | Apr 17 17:00 |
| MinceR | somehow all you people do is whine and wreck things that used to work | Apr 17 17:01 |
| MinceR | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F25_bugs#GNOME_freezes_frequently_with_3_monitors_on_Wayland | Apr 17 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Common F25 bugs - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/qrokn ] | Apr 17 17:02 | |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 17 17:02 |
| MinceR | "stable" a la ratcrap | Apr 17 17:02 |
| MinceR | "This is not exactly a bug, but an intentional design" -- just like the way they broke cron, screen, tmux, ... | Apr 17 17:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: disks gnome. Predates existance of Gparted. | Apr 17 17:03 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 17 17:03 |
| MinceR | >gnome | Apr 17 17:03 |
| oiaohm | KDE also works. | Apr 17 17:03 |
| oiaohm | They are attempting to get upstream fixed. | Apr 17 17:03 |
| MinceR | also, all i get is "gnome disks", which is just a udisks frontend | Apr 17 17:04 |
| MinceR | (oh, and btw, udisks2 is also unstable, unreliable crap with bullshit documentation) | Apr 17 17:04 |
| oiaohm | udisks is a different front end for libparted. | Apr 17 17:05 |
| MinceR | last time i checked, it did completely different things than parted | Apr 17 17:06 |
| MinceR | but it's fine, it did those things wrong too | Apr 17 17:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and that would have been 3+ years ago right | Apr 17 17:07 |
| MinceR | also, since it relies on udisks, it would probably not be willing to do anything for me, as i'm using startx | Apr 17 17:07 |
| oiaohm | About time you get current. | Apr 17 17:07 |
| MinceR | no, udisks still sucks | Apr 17 17:07 |
| MinceR | ever since i got tired of broken display managers and switched to startx, udisks decided i'm not eligible to manage devices on my own computer | Apr 17 17:08 |
| oiaohm | partitioning has been done in udisks by libparted since over 3 years ago. | Apr 17 17:08 |
| MinceR | so i went back to mounting/umounting by hand | Apr 17 17:08 |
| MinceR | earlier, back when i would use udisks2 regularly, it would crash regularly | Apr 17 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Again when. | Apr 17 17:08 |
| MinceR | and guess what, the only thing about starting it again in the documentation is that "it will be started automatically when needed" | Apr 17 17:08 |
| MinceR | guess what, it won't | Apr 17 17:08 |
| oiaohm | I bet that was before udisks got depreated it. | Apr 17 17:08 |
| MinceR | i had to figure out manually | Apr 17 17:09 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter, they were already pretending that it was "stable" | Apr 17 17:09 |
| oiaohm | Early mistake was to have both. | Apr 17 17:09 |
| MinceR | i'm sick and tired of poettering's malware becoming stable sometime 40 years in the future, maybe, unless they abandon it from something shinier | Apr 17 17:09 |
| MinceR | it probably relies on that other atrocity against humankind called polkit | Apr 17 17:10 |
| oiaohm | System can only have udisks v1 or udisks v2 of you have both you have unstable. | Apr 17 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Not clearly in the early documentation. | Apr 17 17:10 |
| MinceR | i probably only have v2 | Apr 17 17:11 |
| MinceR | i certainly didn't install any of it manually | Apr 17 17:11 |
| oiaohm | The errors you are describing are both. Fedora early failed to remove udisks v1 when it installed udisks v2 in a update. | Apr 17 17:11 |
| oiaohm | So did other distributions. | Apr 17 17:12 |
| MinceR | i stopped using fedora ages ago | Apr 17 17:12 |
| MinceR | also, it's funny that ratcrap doesn't know their own shitty daemons | Apr 17 17:12 |
| oiaohm | So there was a universal goof up. | Apr 17 17:12 |
| MinceR | (i stopped because yum is also a unusable pile of shit) | Apr 17 17:12 |
| MinceR | (and yes, dnf is most likely more of the same since under the CADT development model they just ignore bug reports and start over) | Apr 17 17:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there was a stack of issues with udisks2 on ubuntu in 2015-2016 because ubuntu developers thought they knew how to patch it. | Apr 17 17:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ie distribution created bug not upstream. | Apr 17 17:16 |
| MinceR | i'm not using ubuntu, or a derivative thereof, though | Apr 17 17:16 |
| MinceR | i'm using crunchbang, a debian derivative | Apr 17 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The long dead Crunchbang? | Apr 17 17:18 |
| MinceR | yes | Apr 17 17:18 |
| MinceR | derivative of the long dead debian | Apr 17 17:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I thought you're using Devuan… | Apr 17 17:18 |
| MinceR | on a vm, yes | Apr 17 17:19 |
| MinceR | haven't fully migrated yet | Apr 17 17:19 |
| schestowitz | i heard it's flaky | Apr 17 17:19 |
| MinceR | as i was going to replace the hw anyway | Apr 17 17:19 |
| schestowitz | from a friend who used it on production for a while | Apr 17 17:19 |
| schestowitz | (months ago) | Apr 17 17:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Devuan? | Apr 17 17:19 |
| MinceR | afaik only the website and the install process has issues | Apr 17 17:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so that right at the age of the stuffed udisks v1 to udisks v2 migration. Crunchbang was also started live as a ubuntu branch and was still taking patches from ubuntu. | Apr 17 17:19 |
| MinceR | once you get it installed, it's solid | Apr 17 17:19 |
| MinceR | (they're having problems with letsencrypt) | Apr 17 17:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Crunchbang was how to play with a hand granade. | Apr 17 17:20 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i never used ubuntu-derived crunchbang, only debian-derived crunchbang -- statler and waldorf. | Apr 17 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | And, obviously, one can install Debian and then migrate it, avoiding all flakiness of the installer. | Apr 17 17:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: statler and waldorf pulled patches from ubuntu into their own repository. So it was Debian + bits of Ubuntu | Apr 17 17:20 |
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| MinceR | https://web.archive.org/web/20170318060840/https://ctrl.blog/entry/windows-active-hours | Apr 17 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | “Active Hours” in Windows 10 emphasizes how you are not in control of your own devices Ctrl blog [ http://ur1.ca/qroni ] | Apr 17 17:24 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there are a lot of things broken in crunchbang that were broken no where else. 2015 all uses of crunchbang by the developers were told to migrate to Debian standard. | Apr 17 17:24 |
| MinceR | that's because the developers forgot what "lightweight" meant and went to worship lendows and debian8 | Apr 17 17:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: first version of crunchbang had items with ubuntu patches. | Apr 17 17:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that being patches not fully validated. | Apr 17 17:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: then add on their own not fully validated patches. | Apr 17 17:28 |
| MinceR | funny, now you realize validation exists | Apr 17 17:28 |
| MinceR | i wonder where it was when systemd was pronounced stable | Apr 17 17:29 |
| MinceR | and pushed into fedora 15, then into debian 8 | Apr 17 17:29 |
| oiaohm | There was a catch here what systemd was replacing being sysvinit had never been declared offically stable on Linux. | Apr 17 17:29 |
| MinceR | yawn | Apr 17 17:30 |
| oiaohm | So they did not have to jump the stable bar. | Apr 17 17:30 |
| MinceR | yes they did | Apr 17 17:30 |
| oiaohm | No they did not. | Apr 17 17:30 |
| MinceR | yes they did | Apr 17 17:30 |
| oiaohm | They only had to have less defects than what they were replacing. | Apr 17 17:30 |
| oiaohm | That is the major distribution rule. | Apr 17 17:30 |
| MinceR | in replacing long known critical software with something new, that new stuff has to be stable | Apr 17 17:30 |
| oiaohm | That is why is been such a nightmare that sysvinit was left in broken state. | Apr 17 17:30 |
| MinceR | there is no weaseling out of this. | Apr 17 17:30 |
| MinceR | especially if the new "init system" is actually an entire operating system that brings all sorts of vile crap with it | Apr 17 17:31 |
| oiaohm | Lot of crap has been allowed into distributions because its less broken than sysvinit. | Apr 17 17:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, nobody is buying your bullshit about how cancerd is supposedly less broken than sysvinit | Apr 17 17:31 |
| oiaohm | Reality is you have rose coloured glasses who wants to ignore the defects. | Apr 17 17:32 |
| MinceR | yeah | Apr 17 17:32 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit design was never design to work with how the Linux kernel in fact works. | Apr 17 17:32 |
| MinceR | ignoring defects is totally what kept my machines running | Apr 17 17:32 |
| MinceR | and systemd was designed to work with a Linux feature that isn't ready yet and doesn't work yet | Apr 17 17:33 |
| MinceR | and even if you monologue total bullshit here for 24 hours, it will not be one bit better. | Apr 17 17:33 |
| oiaohm | systemd and openrc are closer to what a Linux kernel based OS init system needs to be. | Apr 17 17:33 |
| MinceR | no, systemd is very far from what an init system needs to be | Apr 17 17:34 |
| MinceR | an init system doesn't need to have a syslog replacement in it | Apr 17 17:34 |
| MinceR | an init system doesn't need to have a cron replacement in it | Apr 17 17:34 |
| MinceR | an init system doesn't need to have an at replacement in it | Apr 17 17:34 |
| MinceR | an init system doesn't need to have a [x]inetd replacement in it | Apr 17 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | systemd has an atd replacement? | Apr 17 17:34 |
| MinceR | an init system doesn't need to have a webserver in it | Apr 17 17:34 |
| MinceR | apparently it can launch tasks at a given time | Apr 17 17:34 |
| MinceR | an init system doesn't need to have a container provisioner in it | Apr 17 17:35 |
| oiaohm | Last one is wrong. | Apr 17 17:35 |
| oiaohm | Only way to track processes in Linux kernel design is use the containers/namespaces. | Apr 17 17:35 |
| MinceR | and sysvinit technically not having the paperwork does not mean you get to delete sysvinit and install a whole bundle of halfassed crapware in its place. | Apr 17 17:35 |
| oiaohm | Otherwise you need to patch the kernel. | Apr 17 17:36 |
| MinceR | tracking processes is not the same as downloading an image from a specified url and starting a container with it. | Apr 17 17:36 |
| oiaohm | Or do stupid things like android. | Apr 17 17:36 |
| MinceR | i wonder if you're genuinely confused or think everyone will eat up these bald-faced lies. | Apr 17 17:36 |
| oiaohm | Android user per application is the solution. | Apr 17 17:36 |
| MinceR | android doesn't do things half as stupid as lendows | Apr 17 17:36 |
| oiaohm | And no user switching. | Apr 17 17:36 |
| MinceR | android's init mostly manages to stick to its job, somehow | Apr 17 17:37 |
| MinceR | so do most other things in it | Apr 17 17:37 |
| oiaohm | Also andorid init was updated to use cgroups/namespaces as well. | Apr 17 17:37 |
| oiaohm | So yes android does have container provisioner | Apr 17 17:38 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Apr 17 17:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it in the android open source code when you read the script that is android init. | Apr 17 17:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes android does container provisioner with a script. | Apr 17 17:39 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Arsenal Arsène #WengerOut to figure out how he...' | Apr 17 17:39 | |
| MinceR | it's available online, so you can just link it | Apr 17 17:39 |
| MinceR | is that script part of the "init system"? | Apr 17 17:39 |
| oiaohm | Yes the script is part of the init system. | Apr 17 17:39 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Apr 17 17:39 |
| oiaohm | The complete init of android is a script. | Apr 17 17:39 |
| MinceR | just because two pieces of software are both scripts doesn't mean they're the same program | Apr 17 17:40 |
| oiaohm | http://www.androiddesignpatterns.com/2014/01/thread-scheduling-in-android.html cgroup usage has been in Android for quite some time. | Apr 17 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androiddesignpatterns.com | Thread Scheduling in Android | Android Design Patterns [ http://ur1.ca/qroq7 ] | Apr 17 17:43 | |
| oiaohm | Before android used cgroups they used selinux to trace stuff. | Apr 17 17:44 |
| MinceR | yet i have yet to hear android failing to shutdown and forgetting application settings because of it | Apr 17 17:45 |
| MinceR | perhaps android developers are aware of the limitations poettering and you like to ignore | Apr 17 17:45 |
| MinceR | also, i don't remember android stuff being forced into debian | Apr 17 17:45 |
| oiaohm | Android is nasty. Application developers are mean to put what they want saved regulately. | Apr 17 17:45 |
| MinceR | especially not in default install or pid1 | Apr 17 17:46 |
| MinceR | ah, so power management is now "nasty" | Apr 17 17:46 |
| oiaohm | Because andorid application development rules say you application can be terminated at any time. | Apr 17 17:46 |
| oiaohm | Without notice | Apr 17 17:46 |
| MinceR | where does POSIX say the same? | Apr 17 17:46 |
| MinceR | where does the Single "Unix" Specification say the same? | Apr 17 17:46 |
| oiaohm | POSIX standard does not say you cannot. Niether does the SUS | Apr 17 17:47 |
| oiaohm | Anything undefined by POSIX the implementer can do what ever they like. | Apr 17 17:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Posix standard is swiss cheese and systemd went through one of the holes. | Apr 17 17:48 |
| MinceR | again, i can see why you want to applaud the cult for finding a loophole | Apr 17 17:48 |
| MinceR | but i don't really see why they should wreck my production environment because of that. | Apr 17 17:49 |
| MinceR | s/wreck/get to wreck/ | Apr 17 17:49 |
| MinceR | also... | Apr 17 17:49 |
| oiaohm | No you raised those points as something to win with. | Apr 17 17:49 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do you shutdown your computers by yanking the power cord? | Apr 17 17:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is a standard they broken. | Apr 17 17:50 |
| MinceR | does this mean you believe that unix applications should expect the root filesystem to be ripped out from under them at any time? | Apr 17 17:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but you have not named it yet. | Apr 17 17:50 |
| MinceR | is bash broken because it doesn't save its history when you press enter? | Apr 17 17:50 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: which part of this sophistry is supposed to make lendows work properly? | Apr 17 17:50 |
| MinceR | because so far, it isn't working. | Apr 17 17:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: have you ever read the LSB script standard for sysvinit | Apr 17 17:51 |
| MinceR | do i give a fuck about LSB? | Apr 17 17:51 |
| MinceR | it has whatever ratcrap wants in it | Apr 17 17:51 |
| oiaohm | Because that is the standard they broke by killing services on shutdown. | Apr 17 17:51 |
| oiaohm | And the only standard they broke. | Apr 17 17:52 |
| MinceR | if i wanted my systems to fail in the way ratcrap wanted them to fail, i'd run one of ratcrap's shitty OS-es | Apr 17 17:52 |
| MinceR | but i don't, so i don't | Apr 17 17:52 |
| MinceR | they also broke user expectations | Apr 17 17:52 |
| MinceR | and guess what validation (which you mentioned earlier) is about... | Apr 17 17:52 |
| oiaohm | Its the only standard on sysvinit that says a servicve has to get a terminating message. | Apr 17 17:52 |
| MinceR | that's right -- intended use and user expectations. | Apr 17 17:52 |
| MinceR | it's also what every unix did, except possibly your beloved braindead slowlaris | Apr 17 17:53 |
| oiaohm | That is not true. | Apr 17 17:53 |
| MinceR | what is? | Apr 17 17:53 |
| oiaohm | All unix had a kill command to kill services without giving a message to service to save. | Apr 17 17:53 |
| oiaohm | It for IO overload events. | Apr 17 17:53 |
| oiaohm | So its not true that Unixs did not kill services without notice. | Apr 17 17:54 |
| MinceR | the kill command is not the same as shutting down gracefully. | Apr 17 17:54 |
| MinceR | again, i wonder if you're confused or are trying to bullshit your way through an argument. | Apr 17 17:55 |
| oiaohm | Most unix had a service for monitoring load and killed stuff. | Apr 17 17:55 |
| oiaohm | Why OOMkillier is so savage. | Apr 17 17:55 |
| MinceR | do you shutdown by pulling the power cord and/or battery? | Apr 17 17:55 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the device. | Apr 17 17:55 |
| oiaohm | So pulling the power cord to shutdown is something I have done. | Apr 17 17:56 |
| oiaohm | I have also had unexpected power failure as well. | Apr 17 17:56 |
| oiaohm | So a service that cannot recover from a brute force shutdown is problem. | Apr 17 17:57 |
| MinceR | remind me never to ask you to design an init system. | Apr 17 17:58 |
| oiaohm | Android you have to expect flat battery. | Apr 17 17:58 |
| oiaohm | You application will not be informed of it in every case. | Apr 17 17:58 |
| oiaohm | Because some batteries get memory effects and lie their head off about how much power is remaining. | Apr 17 17:59 |
| MinceR | which of my servers is running android? | Apr 17 17:59 |
| MinceR | afaik Li-ion/polymer batteries don't get memory effects | Apr 17 17:59 |
| MinceR | so that's kind of a last millennium problem :> | Apr 17 17:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: except not all phones are li-ion. | Apr 17 18:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wish they were. | Apr 17 18:00 |
| MinceR | there are NiMH or NiCd android phones? | Apr 17 18:04 |
| oiaohm | Some third world places you still find NiCd phones. NiMH does not have a memory effect but if it hit bottom a lot of time it will say like 10 power remiaing then just stop. | Apr 17 18:05 |
| MinceR | well, it sucks to be in third world places | Apr 17 18:06 |
| MinceR | not my problem | Apr 17 18:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and some badly made li-ion battery monitors in phones also will lie about how much is remaining. | Apr 17 18:06 |
| oiaohm | So the battery monitor might be right or might be completely wrong. | Apr 17 18:06 |
| MinceR | so stop buying badly made phones. | Apr 17 18:06 |
| oiaohm | You cannot sort that fault by price tag either. | Apr 17 18:07 |
| MinceR | you can tell if a manufacturer has given up, though | Apr 17 18:08 |
| oiaohm | About 60 percent of the li-ion android have defective battery monitoring. All iphones up until 2015 had defective battery monitoring. | Apr 17 18:09 |
| oiaohm | So this has been a plague from hell for those making mobile applications. | Apr 17 18:10 |
| MinceR | well, of course, all hypePhones are defective by design | Apr 17 18:11 |
| MinceR | but none of them run android | Apr 17 18:11 |
| MinceR | and those who write code for hypeOS deserve all the plague they get | Apr 17 18:11 |
| oiaohm | Some of the battery monitoring is really bad and explians phone fires. | Apr 17 18:12 |
| oiaohm | Like report 75% percent full when the battery is 100% full so keeping the charger running until battery fails. | Apr 17 18:12 |
| oiaohm | Also over drawing li-ion past flat because the monitor does not get flat right. | Apr 17 18:13 |
| oiaohm | What surprises me is how few recalls have be done over these chips being broken. | Apr 17 18:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically anyone working with phones and laptops in volume over the last 8 years at somepoint has been on the recieving end of a lieing battery monitor. | Apr 17 18:16 |
| MinceR | not everyone replaces their equipment like it's going out of style :> | Apr 17 18:17 |
| oiaohm | I know not everyone replaces their equipment a lot. Please note you can order 1000 the same machine and get like 3 that the battery monitor is stuffed. | Apr 17 18:19 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully not in a fatal direction. | Apr 17 18:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so it a do you fell luck that you service on a laptop or phone will get notification before system stops. It 1 thing to lose data is another thing not to be able to restart system because service jams in a loop because it was shut down improperly. | Apr 17 18:22 |
| MinceR | i try to get the best-of-breed stuff | Apr 17 18:22 |
| oiaohm | systemd killing service by force found a lot services that if terminated by power loss would fail to restart. | Apr 17 18:23 |
| oiaohm | So that action was good and bad. | Apr 17 18:24 |
| MinceR | no, experimenting on people's production system is not good. | Apr 17 18:24 |
| MinceR | s/tem/tems/ | Apr 17 18:24 |
| MinceR | what the hell happened? redhat can't afford to run their own test machines? | Apr 17 18:25 |
| oiaohm | Really production systems should have been testing against power loss events. | Apr 17 18:25 |
| oiaohm | Some of this is lack of testing by everyone. | Apr 17 18:26 |
| oiaohm | So blaming systemd only in some of these cases is avoid blaming another gulity party who had not done proper testing on what they were providing. | Apr 17 18:27 |
| MinceR | who should have tested systemd for redhat? | Apr 17 18:28 |
| MinceR | kinda hard to pin the blame on anyone else when the same criminal enterprise is responsible for both the particular software package and the first distro it's supposed to be deployed in. | Apr 17 18:28 |
| MinceR | and also for providing support for the people unfortunate enough to be using rHELL. | Apr 17 18:29 |
| MinceR | unfortunate -- or just stupid | Apr 17 18:29 |
| oiaohm | Ok first thing you need to keep blame to what is correct. A service not starting after being killed by systemd on shutdown that is not systemd error that is a service error that if you had a power failure would hit you. The data loss that can be blamed on systemd to a point. | Apr 17 18:30 |
| oiaohm | Please note I said to a point. Like losing like 30 days of data because systemd terminated the application what in hell was the program doing never saving. | Apr 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | of course | Apr 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | i keep forgetting | Apr 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | while systemd takes over everything, somehow it is not responsible for anything that breaks | Apr 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | holy systemd. | Apr 17 18:32 |
| oiaohm | I am not saying that. | Apr 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | ratcrap gets to shit all over all of my computers, but it's my fault if anything breaks. | Apr 17 18:32 |
| oiaohm | I am saying at times it overblamed. | Apr 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | yes, you're merely implying it. | Apr 17 18:32 |
| MinceR | different. | Apr 17 18:33 |
| MinceR | since they can't get cgroups to work, let's all just shutdown by pulling power. all the time. | Apr 17 18:34 |
| MinceR | poettering failing to get something right means it's the new standard. | Apr 17 18:34 |
| MinceR | "how many microsoft programmers does it take to replace a lightbulb?" "none, they defined darkness as the industry standard." | Apr 17 18:34 |
| MinceR | -> | Apr 17 18:34 |
| MinceR | "how many red hat programmers does it take to replace a lightbulb?" "none, they defined darkness as the industry standard." | Apr 17 18:34 |
| oiaohm | Failure to shutdown and power cord solution was being done before systemd with sysvinit | Apr 17 18:34 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem. | Apr 17 18:35 |
| MinceR | why can't they be at least a tiny bit subtle about copying microsoft? | Apr 17 18:35 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit was not working right. SO systemd only had to be better than broken sysvinit | Apr 17 18:35 |
| MinceR | just do one or two things right or not totally evil, just to mislead us, to make is let our guard down? | Apr 17 18:35 |
| MinceR | sysvinit was working better than any redhat product ever did. | Apr 17 18:35 |
| oiaohm | Interesting that you refer to faults that sysvinit has. | Apr 17 18:36 |
| MinceR | no amount of equivocation changes that, so get designing and coding. | Apr 17 18:36 |
| oiaohm | Fialure to shutdown is something sysvinit has and why systemd added a auto terminate application feature. | Apr 17 18:36 |
| oiaohm | Even upstart added that. | Apr 17 18:36 |
| MinceR | then i must have imagined sysvinit sending SIGTERM, waiting, then sending SIGKILL | Apr 17 18:37 |
| MinceR | what may have caused these hallucinations? | Apr 17 18:37 |
| MinceR | i don't take drugs except caffeine | Apr 17 18:37 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit failes to send sigterm and sigkill to everything with forking processes at times. | Apr 17 18:38 |
| oiaohm | That causes shutdown failure. | Apr 17 18:38 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Apr 17 18:38 |
| oiaohm | I gave you the citation on this 3 year go. | Apr 17 18:38 |
| oiaohm | Of course you ingored it then. | Apr 17 18:39 |
| MinceR | my computers ignored it too | Apr 17 18:39 |
| MinceR | please tell them they're not supposed to boot or shutdown reliably, they apparently don't know. | Apr 17 18:39 |
| oiaohm | You just not running the items that run into the fault. | Apr 17 18:39 |
| MinceR | i'm sure that's another thing poettering's cult would like to change | Apr 17 18:40 |
| oiaohm | ptrace by upstart was attempting to fix the same fault. | Apr 17 18:40 |
| oiaohm | Please note upstart and other init replacements to sysvinit also attempted to fix the same fault. | Apr 17 18:41 |
| oiaohm | Shutdown errors exist well before systemd | Apr 17 18:41 |
| MinceR | systemd -- bringing corner cases to everyone! | Apr 17 18:42 |
| oiaohm | That is correct | Apr 17 18:42 |
| oiaohm | systemd brought the corner cases front and centre. | Apr 17 18:42 |
| MinceR | now YOU can get screwed by formerly obscure bugs! get systemd today! | Apr 17 18:42 |
| MinceR | s/U/U too/ | Apr 17 18:43 |
| oiaohm | Most of the corner cases should not have existed if services had proper testing programs. | Apr 17 18:43 |
| oiaohm | It takes two to tango MinceR | Apr 17 18:44 |
| oiaohm | If you follow history back with upstarts ptrace and demontools kill you will find that a lot of the problem services that hit systemd shutdown were listed not to use under those solutions. | Apr 17 18:45 |
| oiaohm | So there was a sweep bug under rung and hope it goes away and we never see it again going on. | Apr 17 18:46 |
| MinceR | was bash listed among them? | Apr 17 18:46 |
| oiaohm | Notice how debian changed to using dash instead of bash in sysvinit. That right bash has issues when used non interactive. | Apr 17 18:48 |
| MinceR | i'll take that as a no | Apr 17 18:48 |
| MinceR | so why break it? | Apr 17 18:48 |
| oiaohm | The answer was yes | Apr 17 18:48 |
| MinceR | i doubt bash has issues saving the nonexistent command history when running non-interactively | Apr 17 18:48 |
| MinceR | also, if a service is broken, i can stop using it and switch to an alternative | Apr 17 18:49 |
| MinceR | in poettering's world, if systemd is broken, what do i get to do? | Apr 17 18:49 |
| MinceR | buy windows? | Apr 17 18:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: bash is not design to multi process. This is why you watch bash when ended keep on trashing command line history and it also does other thing wrong. | Apr 17 18:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: bash is a really bad example. | Apr 17 18:50 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit single process line bash works all right. when distributions altered sysvinit to multi process bash fault came out. | Apr 17 18:52 |
| MinceR | what the hell are you talking about? | Apr 17 18:52 |
| MinceR | rc uses bash noninteractively | Apr 17 18:52 |
| MinceR | noninteractive bash has absolutely no reason to save command history | Apr 17 18:52 |
| MinceR | and users can run 0, 1 or more instances of bash interactively regardless of init or rc or what-have-you. | Apr 17 18:53 |
| oiaohm | That is not the only non interactive fail. | Apr 17 18:53 |
| oiaohm | You can tell bash in non intertarcive to save history. | Apr 17 18:53 |
| MinceR | and systemd will happily SIGKILL them all without warning because cgroups aren't finished. | Apr 17 18:53 |
| MinceR | why would i tell it to? | Apr 17 18:53 |
| MinceR | what's the point? | Apr 17 18:53 |
| MinceR | what will it save? | Apr 17 18:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it called debugging options. | Apr 17 18:54 |
| MinceR | so why is rc running bash with debugging options in normal operation? | Apr 17 18:54 |
| MinceR | how are debugging options relevant to systemd not shutting down properly? | Apr 17 18:55 |
| oiaohm | You raised bash I did not. | Apr 17 18:55 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit is not design for bash. It was designed for standard posix shell. Bash is massively extended and not all those features are properly veted. | Apr 17 18:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes a few cases when bash goes wrong its fairly much a fork bomb. | Apr 17 18:57 |
| MinceR | people complained they were losing shell history under cancerd. | Apr 17 18:57 |
| MinceR | they did not under sysvinit. | Apr 17 18:57 |
| MinceR | no amount of equivocation will fix it. | Apr 17 18:57 |
| MinceR | only rethinking the design of systemd and reimplementing the whole thing will. | Apr 17 18:58 |
| oiaohm | Without cancerd I start two xterms with bash. | Apr 17 18:58 |
| oiaohm | When I exist those what history will exist. | Apr 17 18:58 |
| oiaohm | exist/exit | Apr 17 18:58 |
| oiaohm | When I exit those what history will exist? | Apr 17 18:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: do you know the answer to that question? | Apr 17 18:59 |
| oiaohm | The answer is the last one to be closed because the first one to be closed will have it history file alterations overwritten. | Apr 17 18:59 |
| oiaohm | and bash is not writing history as it going. | Apr 17 19:00 |
| cubexyz | actually unix v8 history is persistant | Apr 17 19:00 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do i care? i use zsh and sysvinit. | Apr 17 19:00 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure there's a way to do it with modern bash | Apr 17 19:00 |
| oiaohm | Yep cubexyz is right v8 history in fact works. | Apr 17 19:00 |
| oiaohm | and it saves as you go. | Apr 17 19:00 |
| oiaohm | So that bash losing history under systemd is part systemd and part broken bash. | Apr 17 19:01 |
| cubexyz | also v8,v9 and v10 are available now | Apr 17 19:01 |
| cubexyz | they were released about a month ago | Apr 17 19:01 |
| cubexyz | I always thought it was careless of bell labs not to keep it going | Apr 17 19:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: debian designed dash to include everything sysvinit requirements expect to be there. zsh is missing stuff. | Apr 17 19:03 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do you see me complain about zsh missing features i need? | Apr 17 19:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you might if you attempt to use a services sysvinit script that you have not used before. | Apr 17 19:04 |
| cubexyz | of course v8 uses the bourne shell, not bash | Apr 17 19:04 |
| MinceR | did i say i ran rc on zsh? | Apr 17 19:04 |
| MinceR | rc uses whatever its shebang lines say it should use. | Apr 17 19:04 |
| oiaohm | Yep sysvinit is designed for bourne shell and dash is quite close. | Apr 17 19:05 |
| cubexyz | I archive anything important or useful that I type in bash | Apr 17 19:05 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 17 19:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you only have zsh installed /bin/sh end up pointing to zsh on lots of systems leading to some really strange fails. | Apr 17 19:05 |
| MinceR | did i say i only had zsh installed? | Apr 17 19:06 |
| MinceR | so many assumptions. | Apr 17 19:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also I cannot remember if zsh saves history as it goes or if it like bash and just keep on nuking the history file. | Apr 17 19:07 |
| MinceR | iirc it's configurable | Apr 17 19:08 |
| oiaohm | So it can be set sane or insane on history handling? | Apr 17 19:08 |
| MinceR | iirc yes | Apr 17 19:08 |
| MinceR | i have setopt appendhistory | Apr 17 19:08 |
| MinceR | and it writes commands immediately to ~/.histfile as i run them | Apr 17 19:09 |
| oiaohm | So it could be made work with correctly with systemd shutdown by force. | Apr 17 19:09 |
| MinceR | though it doesn't read them back so i can't immediately recall something i just ran in another zsh from history | Apr 17 19:09 |
| MinceR | yes, systemd's brokenness doesn't affect zsh in this case | Apr 17 19:09 |
| MinceR | but i doubt the complaining people were using zsh, let alone with this setup | Apr 17 19:10 |
| oiaohm | This is the thing a lot of complains about systemd brokenness is also brokenness in what they were using. | Apr 17 19:10 |
| oiaohm | And it simpler to blame systemd than fix the brokenness. | Apr 17 19:10 |
| MinceR | somehow it worked with sysvinit | Apr 17 19:11 |
| MinceR | somebody forced systemd on them | Apr 17 19:11 |
| MinceR | and now it's broken | Apr 17 19:11 |
| MinceR | and you're surprised? | Apr 17 19:11 |
| oiaohm | Really when bash running multi xterms were have the same problem. | Apr 17 19:11 |
| oiaohm | people got really good at ignoring that problem. | Apr 17 19:12 |
| oiaohm | systemd just added a new way for it to happen. | Apr 17 19:12 |
| MinceR | yes, which happened to be a really broken way to do normal shutdowns | Apr 17 19:13 |
| oiaohm | This is the thing a lot of time were broken before systemd and we had got really good at ignoring that. | Apr 17 19:14 |
| oiaohm | Even so if you were running many bash instances and sysvinit sent sig messages it was still random luck what history got saved. | Apr 17 19:15 |
| MinceR | so, since people complained about this issue showing up with bash, that makes shutting down with SIGKILL without warning acceptable? interesting. | Apr 17 19:15 |
| oiaohm | systemd and logind made it clear with no history. | Apr 17 19:15 |
| MinceR | sounds like cognitive dissonance to me | Apr 17 19:15 |
| oiaohm | I did not say SIGKILL without warnning was acceptable. Systemd latter on fixed that fault. | Apr 17 19:16 |
| oiaohm | But bash history is still in bash. | Apr 17 19:16 |
| oiaohm | but bash history bug is still in bash. | Apr 17 19:17 |
| oiaohm | So we have blamed systemd and then never fixed the other fault so something else will trigger it in future. | Apr 17 19:17 |
| oiaohm | So its swept back under the rug. | Apr 17 19:17 |
| oiaohm | So I see a big issue with blame systemd for all the faults. This means all the faults are not getting fixed. | Apr 17 19:19 |
| MinceR | wow, we have blamed systemd for a bug in systemd | Apr 17 19:21 |
| MinceR | how DARE we. | Apr 17 19:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and ingored the bug in bash. | Apr 17 19:22 |
| MinceR | let's just assume systemd is perfect and carry on never fixing any bugs in it! | Apr 17 19:22 |
| oiaohm | Do note that systemd did fix that bug. | Apr 17 19:22 |
| oiaohm | of it own. | Apr 17 19:22 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: like it or not systemd has been progressively fixing it bugs. But the problems that had issues with systemd most of them are still unfixed. | Apr 17 19:23 |
| MinceR | _after_ it was forced into debian "stable". | Apr 17 19:24 |
| MinceR | apparently testing is for losers. | Apr 17 19:24 |
| MinceR | well, they certainly learned this from their idols at m$. | Apr 17 19:24 |
| oiaohm | Read the Linux kernel mailing list some time around the attempts to get cgroup fixes done. | Apr 17 19:25 |
| oiaohm | You will find they had to get into 2 to 3 stable classed distributions to get patches in. | Apr 17 19:25 |
| MinceR | in other words, they had to sacrifice 2 to 3 distributions to get their own shit fixed. | Apr 17 19:26 |
| oiaohm | To get kernel shit fixed. | Apr 17 19:26 |
| MinceR | and we can expect them try to do the same in the future | Apr 17 19:26 |
| oiaohm | This was part Linux kernel policy fail. | Apr 17 19:26 |
| MinceR | to hell with the kernel if there are no stable OSes it can be used in. | Apr 17 19:26 |
| oiaohm | This was changed after that. | Apr 17 19:26 |
| oiaohm | So should never happen again. | Apr 17 19:26 |
| MinceR | and no, "we'll eventually fuck up your machines running it" is not a stable OS policy. | Apr 17 19:27 |
| oiaohm | So that is one of the bugs that got fixed because of systemd. | Apr 17 19:27 |
| MinceR | no, it should never have been allowed to happen. | Apr 17 19:27 |
| MinceR | ever. | Apr 17 19:27 |
| MinceR | and people who pull this sort of shit should never again be allowed a career in IT. | Apr 17 19:27 |
| MinceR | ever. | Apr 17 19:27 |
| oiaohm | No one had bothered checking the policies if they were sane. | Apr 17 19:27 |
| MinceR | they should be moved into careers where they can make a positive contribution. | Apr 17 19:27 |
| oiaohm | Stable OS policy of debian have you read that. | Apr 17 19:28 |
| oiaohm | Its not what you are thinking. | Apr 17 19:28 |
| oiaohm | systemd nightmare comes out of policy not being written the way you expect. | Apr 17 19:28 |
| oiaohm | Its like secure parking. Most places with secure parking it secure for them that they can impound you car to get payment. | Apr 17 19:29 |
| MinceR | well, i have experienced it | Apr 17 19:29 |
| MinceR | i've also seen what LTS means in debianland | Apr 17 19:29 |
| MinceR | (it means "we might spend time on your issue if you pay us and we feel like it") | Apr 17 19:30 |
| MinceR | also, i don't need ratcrap looking for loopholes in the policies of my distro. | Apr 17 19:30 |
| oiaohm | When loopholes in policy are found or purely incorrect policy is found it need to be fixed. | Apr 17 19:31 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://kernsec.org/wiki/index.php/Kernel_Self_Protection_Project this project was able to start and get stuff merged into kernel because of what systemd did. | Apr 17 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kernsec.org | Kernel Self Protection Project - Linux Kernel Security Subsystem [ http://ur1.ca/qrp76 ] | Apr 17 19:32 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and the policy change it caused. | Apr 17 19:32 |
| MinceR | fixed != abused to destroy the organization | Apr 17 19:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I wish those policy fixed did not require the pain that systemd caused. | Apr 17 19:33 |
| MinceR | yet you support it | Apr 17 19:33 |
| oiaohm | cgroupv2 would have most likely come before systemd was release if the kernel policy had not existed. | Apr 17 19:34 |
| oiaohm | There is no real reason to-do another systemd mess now. | Apr 17 19:35 |
| oiaohm | Please note pulseaudio attempted to get that policy changed as well. | Apr 17 19:35 |
| MinceR | why? there still are some surviving GNU/Linux distros | Apr 17 19:35 |
| MinceR | i'm sure these slimy assholes would love to destroy those too | Apr 17 19:35 |
| oiaohm | How many of those are using DMD | Apr 17 19:36 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Apr 17 19:36 |
| MinceR | 1, i guess | Apr 17 19:36 |
| MinceR | not for long though | Apr 17 19:36 |
| MinceR | given the love for cancerd at the Gratis Windows Foundation | Apr 17 19:36 |
| MinceR | also, they renamed DMD to Shepherd, afaik | Apr 17 19:36 |
| oiaohm | DMD is shorter to type | Apr 17 19:37 |
| MinceR | go complain to them | Apr 17 19:37 |
| oiaohm | So there is only really one pure gnu/linux distribution. | Apr 17 19:37 |
| MinceR | i don't call the shots there | Apr 17 19:37 |
| oiaohm | everything else is a mix. | Apr 17 19:37 |
| MinceR | ah, more excuses | Apr 17 19:38 |
| MinceR | if it was so important, perhaps they should have written dmd sooner. | Apr 17 19:38 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: please note shepherd/dmd uses hurd form of cgroups that is closer to cgroups v2 than cgroup v1. So reason why dmd did not come sooner is they could not get Linux kernel fixed. | Apr 17 19:40 |
| MinceR | irrelevant | Apr 17 19:41 |
| oiaohm | No irrelevant that is a keystone problem. | Apr 17 19:41 |
| MinceR | yeah, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain | Apr 17 19:42 |
| oiaohm | Without that keystone making properly working init system on linux was next to impossible. | Apr 17 19:42 |
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| oiaohm | Properly working in the sense you could mathamtically prove it correctly works. | Apr 17 19:42 |
| MinceR | if the GNU project does not include an init/rc system, they do not get to complain that distros aren't using the GNU project init/rc system. | Apr 17 19:43 |
| MinceR | i'd settle for a looser sense of "properly working", for now | Apr 17 19:43 |
| MinceR | not having to fight for the existence of the OS i'm using would be a great start. | Apr 17 19:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the problem was the prior model. | Apr 17 19:45 |
| MinceR | i'm sure you'd like people to believe that | Apr 17 19:46 |
| MinceR | "give poettering and his political scheming a free pass, that's not the problem!" | Apr 17 19:46 |
| oiaohm | Do you know how the old model was for adding a feature to mainline Linux kernel. | Apr 17 19:46 |
| MinceR | shouldn't matter | Apr 17 19:47 |
| oiaohm | It does matter. | Apr 17 19:47 |
| oiaohm | Where should a new feature be deployed first. | Apr 17 19:47 |
| oiaohm | Under the old model can you answer? | Apr 17 19:47 |
| MinceR | http://archive.is/2QGRX | Apr 17 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [Regression w/ patch] Media commit causes user space to misbahave (was: Re: Linux 3.8-rc1) | Apr 17 19:48 | |
| MinceR | read this. | Apr 17 19:48 |
| oiaohm | That post systemd policy. Old policy The answer is in a Distribution Kernel. Then after proven to work in Distribution kernel with distribution userspace then merged to mainline. | Apr 17 19:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: now as a end user do you want proto type stuff in your kernel as first call. | Apr 17 19:51 |
| MinceR | nope | Apr 17 19:51 |
| MinceR | "WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE!" is a pretty old policy | Apr 17 19:51 |
| oiaohm | That is applied after it got to mainline. | Apr 17 19:51 |
| MinceR | and i'm pretty sure that destroying userspace projects counts as breaking userspace. | Apr 17 19:51 |
| MinceR | so if poettering and the other retards could keep their attempts to change the kernel inside the kernel project, that would be great. | Apr 17 19:52 |
| oiaohm | You really want prototype features going to the kernel mainline list and peer reviewed before users get anywhere near them as it is coming now. | Apr 17 19:52 |
| MinceR | yes, i really want the distro i happen to be using not sacrificed in political games for the sake of prototype features going to mainline | Apr 17 19:53 |
| MinceR | seriously. | Apr 17 19:53 |
| oiaohm | If the policy did not change the problem would have kept on going and going and going. | Apr 17 19:54 |
| oiaohm | 2012 a lead maintainer still cannot get the point of breaking the audio layer interface to user space is wrong. | Apr 17 19:55 |
| oiaohm | and has to be ripped into by linus | Apr 17 19:55 |
| MinceR | at least it only affected pulseaudio, which was always broken anyway | Apr 17 19:55 |
| oiaohm | Then you wonder why pulseaudio had problems. | Apr 17 19:55 |
| MinceR | it had problems because it was designed by a moron? | Apr 17 19:55 |
| oiaohm | No it did not effect only pulseaudio | Apr 17 19:55 |
| oiaohm | Turned out to break jack audio as well. | Apr 17 19:56 |
| oiaohm | and a few alsa direct using applications. | Apr 17 19:56 |
| oiaohm | he was quite successful. | Apr 17 19:56 |
| MinceR | i wonder if this success was due to support by ratcrap's board of directors | Apr 17 19:56 |
| MinceR | and ratcrap's control over gnome | Apr 17 19:56 |
| oiaohm | I like how the maintainer went blame pulseaudio for the fault Linus found out it was not just pulseaudio. This is my problem I have seen a lot of sweep bug under rug blaming either pulseaudio or systemd for faults that are not 100 percent them. | Apr 17 19:59 |
| oiaohm | That case you had it absolutely was not pulseaudio | Apr 17 19:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes systemd and pulseaudio have done a lot wrong. But there is a lot wrong that end up blaming both so they don't have to fix their faults. | Apr 17 20:01 |
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| cubexyz | well, there's slack and openbsd and other alternatives | Apr 17 22:17 |
| cubexyz | no need to be forced into systemd | Apr 17 22:17 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: but then they would have to learn a init system that is not sysvinit that in fact works. | Apr 17 22:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that is with BSD because the BSD init system matchs how the BSD kernels work. | Apr 17 22:22 |
| cubexyz | I can run old sysvinit on FC1 | Apr 17 22:23 |
| oiaohm | I did not start on Linux I started on Freebsd. | Apr 17 22:24 |
| cubexyz | but I have no problem learning about other init systems | Apr 17 22:24 |
| oiaohm | So when I came to Linux I found a lot of sysvinit issue that people would just work around. | Apr 17 22:24 |
| oiaohm | that I was not happy to have to work around. | Apr 17 22:24 |
| cubexyz | vector linux isn't even that different | Apr 17 22:25 |
| cubexyz | init 4 = full multiuser | Apr 17 22:25 |
| cubexyz | with X | Apr 17 22:25 |
| cubexyz | ok, so it's a little different | Apr 17 22:25 |
| cubexyz | you can learn the differences in one day | Apr 17 22:26 |
| oiaohm | Biggest issues with BSD kernels is lack of driver support. | Apr 17 22:26 |
| cubexyz | runlevel 0 = halt | Apr 17 22:27 |
| oiaohm | Differences between Linux and Freebsd normally can be covered in 8 hours of training. | Apr 17 22:27 |
| cubexyz | there's some things I didn't like about Fedora, but that happened later on | Apr 17 22:27 |
| oiaohm | Please note Linux using systemd does not make it any worse because you had to learn the BSD init system anyhow. | Apr 17 22:28 |
| cubexyz | fopen ("/dev/usb/scanner0", "wb"); <- this doesn't work in new fedora, but worked in old fedora | Apr 17 22:28 |
| oiaohm | BSD init and sysvinit are very different to start off with. | Apr 17 22:28 |
| cubexyz | didn't like that at all | Apr 17 22:28 |
| cubexyz | it's not just init changes | Apr 17 22:29 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I don't have the scanner I though /dev/usb/scanner0 is still there. Is it the b bit? | Apr 17 22:31 |
| cubexyz | and kooka got borked up | Apr 17 22:31 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I don't have access to any new fedora machines to check, just a sec | Apr 17 22:32 |
| cubexyz | wifi on the LAN is a bit problematic still :-/ | Apr 17 22:34 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: sorry I forgot I have a script in my udev putting the old stuff back. | Apr 17 22:34 |
| cubexyz | once I close the lid on the laptop it drops the wifi connection | Apr 17 22:34 |
| cubexyz | ok, there's no /dev/usb at all in fedora 14 | Apr 17 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Unless you put a udev rule in to create it. | Apr 17 22:35 |
| cubexyz | oh? I wouldn't mind seeing that script | Apr 17 22:35 |
| oiaohm | It the change over to using /dev/bus | Apr 17 22:36 |
| cubexyz | would that work on slackware as well? | Apr 17 22:36 |
| cubexyz | ah, it's not a big deal but I still wouldn't mind using the old hp 5200c scanner with my own programs | Apr 17 22:37 |
| oiaohm | http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#example-printer using udev rules you can symlink stuff all over the place. | Apr 17 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reactivated.net | Writing udev rules [ http://ur1.ca/qrpv1 ] | Apr 17 22:39 | |
| oiaohm | inside the dev directory. | Apr 17 22:39 |
| cubexyz | just look at that obfuscated crap | Apr 17 22:41 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: do be careful you can symlink stuff into a loop if you are not careful. | Apr 17 22:41 |
| cubexyz | instead of /dev/lp0 there's /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb1/1-1 | Apr 17 22:42 |
| cubexyz | and people wonder why I maintain older systems | Apr 17 22:42 |
| cubexyz | do I constantly plug and unplug my printers and scanners? NO | Apr 17 22:43 |
| cubexyz | it's stupid | Apr 17 22:43 |
| cubexyz | althought a scanner with wifi that every computer can access might be nice | Apr 17 22:44 |
| cubexyz | I don't think I have a udevinfo command on anything | Apr 17 22:45 |
| cubexyz | oh wait, there it is in /usr/bin | Apr 17 22:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that is a old page "udevadm info" is the new command name because people complained about having too many udev commands. | Apr 17 22:47 |
| cubexyz | I have no idea how kolourpaint resolves it, but I'll check it out sometime | Apr 17 22:49 |
| oiaohm | udevadm is 6 different udev executables merge into 1. | Apr 17 22:50 |
| cubexyz | the flourescent tube in the old hp 5200c is getting dim, but it's more of an educational exercise than anything | Apr 17 22:50 |
| cubexyz | my scanner fixing needs improving :-/ | Apr 17 22:52 |
| cubexyz | so far I haven't managed to fix any | Apr 17 22:52 |
| oiaohm | That is not the one with the easy to open end panel to extract the tube. | Apr 17 22:52 |
| cubexyz | uh, if you know of an easy to open ones please list them | Apr 17 22:53 |
| cubexyz | easy to open with known communication protocols :) | Apr 17 22:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: sorry the easy to open one is for A0 paper. | Apr 17 22:54 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah and there was another problem as well | Apr 17 22:55 |
| cubexyz | the calibration strip is dirty or compromised | Apr 17 22:55 |
| oiaohm | HP calibration strips also fade. | Apr 17 22:56 |
| cubexyz | you've probably seen the effects of that: lines in the scan | Apr 17 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Lets not use UV stable ink near a follerenset light. | Apr 17 22:56 |
| cubexyz | fluor-res-cent :) | Apr 17 22:57 |
| cubexyz | I spelt it wrong too I think | Apr 17 22:57 |
| cubexyz | fluor not flour | Apr 17 22:57 |
| cubexyz | flu-or-res-cent | Apr 17 22:58 |
| cubexyz | flu-o-res-cent | Apr 17 22:58 |
| cubexyz | only one r | Apr 17 22:58 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: in the 5000 series there is one that is fixable simple takes a normal fluorescent tube as well. Its the one for A0 kinda the scanner from hell. | Apr 17 22:59 |
| oiaohm | The head does not move the rollers move the page as well. | Apr 17 22:59 |
| cubexyz | not an easy word to spell | Apr 17 22:59 |
| cubexyz | yes, I could replace the tube, but can I get a new calibration strip? | Apr 17 23:00 |
| oiaohm | T8 standard tube. | Apr 17 23:00 |
| oiaohm | That larger saner tube has a issue target the nearest large light. | Apr 17 23:00 |
| cubexyz | are you saying the calibration strip is damaged by UV light? | Apr 17 23:01 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: some of the hp calibration strips are. | Apr 17 23:01 |
| oiaohm | yes the fluorescent tube puts of UV light so it doomed. | Apr 17 23:02 |
| oiaohm | This is what you call designed to fail. | Apr 17 23:02 |
| cubexyz | and I think the CCD itself can go bad :-/ | Apr 17 23:02 |
| cubexyz | just imagine the conversations I have with PDP-11 guys :) | Apr 17 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Reason for a A0 scanner is coping building plans. | Apr 17 23:05 |
| oiaohm | They are not cheep. | Apr 17 23:05 |
| cubexyz | wasn't A0 close to the old empire size? | Apr 17 23:06 |
| cubexyz | oh wait, A0 is really big | Apr 17 23:07 |
| cubexyz | I'm thinking of A4 I think | Apr 17 23:07 |
| oiaohm | http://www.papersizes.org/us-paper-sizes.htm You need to able to handle Arch E1. In A the standard sizes for plans is A1 and A3 | Apr 17 23:08 |
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| cubexyz | 8.5" x 11" | Apr 17 23:08 |
| oiaohm | 762 x 1067 mm30.0 x 42.0 in That arch E1 | Apr 17 23:09 |
| cubexyz | or was it 8" x 11", can't remember | Apr 17 23:09 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.papersizes.org/us-paper-sizes.htm << the ones you are thinking of are on this page. | Apr 17 23:09 |
| cubexyz | A4 = 210 x 297 8.27 x 11.69 | Apr 17 23:09 |
| cubexyz | that one | Apr 17 23:09 |
| cubexyz | A4 is the closest to the old size | Apr 17 23:10 |
| oiaohm | 8.5" 11inchs long for standard or 14 inchs long for legal. | Apr 17 23:10 |
| cubexyz | right | Apr 17 23:10 |
| oiaohm | For some reason legal given the more paper so they woffle more. | Apr 17 23:10 |
| cubexyz | letter size, I think they called it | Apr 17 23:10 |
| cubexyz | and there was also foolscap :) | Apr 17 23:11 |
| cubexyz | 8" x 13" | Apr 17 23:11 |
| cubexyz | lots of odd sizes | Apr 17 23:12 |
| oiaohm | Arch E is bigger than Arch E1 most Arch E is that big if you are holding on to it and get a wind you are going off you feet so it was not that liked for building plans for some reason. | Apr 17 23:13 |
| cubexyz | mustek had a big scanner, but I forget how big it was | Apr 17 23:13 |
| oiaohm | I hope I never see a 4A0 page. | Apr 17 23:14 |
| oiaohm | as a plan. | Apr 17 23:14 |
| oiaohm | 1682 x 2378mm that is just getting to insane for a bit of paper. | Apr 17 23:15 |
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| oiaohm | Most of that is not going to happen. | Apr 17 23:34 |
| cubexyz | schools won't decrease their paper consumption by 90%? :) | Apr 17 23:35 |
| cubexyz | I wonder if paper use is down, it must be decreasing somewhat | Apr 17 23:35 |
| cubexyz | at least I don't bother with newspapers | Apr 17 23:40 |
| cubexyz | holy moley, does betanews ever suck | Apr 17 23:53 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: really you like being a smart ass who does not know the topic. Like don't like how systemd is expanding the list of what a Init system needs to contain. The shock reality is BSD and Solaris and most Unix had the feature set that systemd is putting in one group as part of their init system development. | Apr 18 02:28 |
| MinceR | now you're just making shit up | Apr 18 02:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so systemd doing that is not going in Windows direction. It windows who had init system development as a independent department to everything else leading to stack of stupid hacks.. | Apr 18 02:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am not. | Apr 18 02:29 |
| oiaohm | When it does not suit your world view you say its making shit up. | Apr 18 02:30 |
| MinceR | BSD having the rest of their code in the same project or repo as their init/rc system is not the same as your beloved piece of malware trying to take over everything | Apr 18 02:30 |
| oiaohm | To exactly follow BSD the kernel and init systems need to be in the same project. | Apr 18 02:30 |
| MinceR | you keep looking for loopholes and ways to equivocate to try and make poettering's atrocious "design" look good and accepted | Apr 18 02:30 |
| oiaohm | No your arguements are full of holes. | Apr 18 02:31 |
| oiaohm | I have not said that systemd design is good or perfect. | Apr 18 02:31 |
| oiaohm | What systemd is doing is not modeled off of windows. | Apr 18 02:31 |
| oiaohm | In quality systemd is still lacking in many places. | Apr 18 02:32 |
| MinceR | yet you spare no breath to defend it | Apr 18 02:32 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit is also atrocious design. | Apr 18 02:32 |
| oiaohm | So I have to choose between horible and less horrible. | Apr 18 02:33 |
| MinceR | and even to defend the practice of using all the tricks from m$'s book to force that malicious shit on people who don't need it and don't want it | Apr 18 02:33 |
| MinceR | no, you need to become honest | Apr 18 02:33 |
| oiaohm | MS did not invent those tricks. | Apr 18 02:33 |
| oiaohm | IBM did with AIX | Apr 18 02:33 |
| MinceR | yeah, i know, there are older robber barons around | Apr 18 02:33 |
| oiaohm | Again not Microsoft. | Apr 18 02:33 |
| MinceR | usually outside IT | Apr 18 02:33 |
| MinceR | so, when did AIX start supporting x86? | Apr 18 02:33 |
| oiaohm | Its not Microsoft who has been copied. | Apr 18 02:33 |
| oiaohm | Have you run Linux on AIX systems. | Apr 18 02:34 |
| oiaohm | FUD is a IBM term. | Apr 18 02:34 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft mostly does not have a playbook. | Apr 18 02:35 |
| oiaohm | Instead Microsoft copied bits out of other groups playbooks. | Apr 18 02:35 |
| cubexyz | FUD is also a mexican food :) | Apr 18 02:35 |
| cubexyz | thanks wikipedia | Apr 18 02:35 |
| MinceR | well, m$ schooled IBM at this game when they got m$-DOS to be forced on PCs | Apr 18 02:35 |
| cubexyz | yeah Amdahl was FUDed by IBM | Apr 18 02:36 |
| cubexyz | M$ wasn't the first to use it | Apr 18 02:36 |
| oiaohm | IBM got over believing in their playbook and did not believe something the size Microsoft at the time could use their playbook against them. That is how IBM fell for the MS-Dos trap. | Apr 18 02:36 |
| oiaohm | Old saying pride comes before a fall. So true for IBM. | Apr 18 02:37 |
| cubexyz | also I'd say FOSS trumps AIX | Apr 18 02:37 |
| cubexyz | no reason to run AIX | Apr 18 02:37 |
| MinceR | no reason to run lendows either | Apr 18 02:37 |
| cubexyz | just another 4.3BSD deriative | Apr 18 02:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sad part is IBM in fact trained Microsoft staff in the IBM playbook. | Apr 18 02:38 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Apr 18 02:38 |
| cubexyz | derivative rather | Apr 18 02:38 |
| cubexyz | IBM invented DMS and ummmm what else | Apr 18 02:39 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah, OS/360 of course | Apr 18 02:39 |
| cubexyz | DEC were the upstarts | Apr 18 02:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt first use of FUD in IT field was IBM. If you back track every one of Microsoft marketing stunts first usage is almost always IBM. | Apr 18 02:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fear, uncertainty and doubt - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/qrqok ] | Apr 18 02:40 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i mean on IBM training m$ staff in this | Apr 18 02:40 |
| cubexyz | IBM actually made some FOSS operating systems though | Apr 18 02:41 |
| cubexyz | DMS and OS/360, there's source code freely available | Apr 18 02:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: joint market team and development for Windows NT and Windows 3.xx | Apr 18 02:41 |
| cubexyz | so IBM is less evil that M$ | Apr 18 02:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also joint marketing team for PC-Dos and MS-Dos | Apr 18 02:41 |
| cubexyz | M$ has open sourced next to nothing | Apr 18 02:42 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: IBM turned into a crApple shill recently | Apr 18 02:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it really simple to forget the joint development times between Microsoft and IBM where Microsoft learnt so many of it dirty tricks. | Apr 18 02:43 |
| cubexyz | also I think there's source for VM/370, and the source code bonanza ended there | Apr 18 02:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: even the recent patent warfare Microsoft has been doing IBM was doing that in hardware first. | Apr 18 02:44 |
| MinceR | that's not the same as training | Apr 18 02:44 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft employed some X ibm staff into their legal team. | Apr 18 02:44 |
| MinceR | at least hw patents tend to involve more than just a vague idea | Apr 18 02:44 |
| oiaohm | Some of IBM old patents make software patents look explaining. | Apr 18 02:45 |
| oiaohm | vague idea patent was done in a hardware patent by IBM first. | Apr 18 02:46 |
| oiaohm | Wish I could remember the number it basically means if you alter a magnetic field to store data you breach patent. | Apr 18 02:47 |
| cubexyz | let me guess | Apr 18 02:47 |
| cubexyz | an IBM patent? | Apr 18 02:47 |
| oiaohm | its 1960s | Apr 18 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Well and truly expired. | Apr 18 02:47 |
| cubexyz | how about this one: | Apr 18 02:48 |
| oiaohm | And before IBM meet Microsoft. | Apr 18 02:48 |
| cubexyz | https://www.google.com/patents/US3171754 | Apr 18 02:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patent US3171754 - Magnetic storage medium for magneto-optical readout - Google Patents | Apr 18 02:48 | |
| cubexyz | there's a bunch more listed at the bottom | Apr 18 02:49 |
| cubexyz | makes me wonder how they stored data before hard drives existed | Apr 18 02:50 |
| oiaohm | https://www.google.com/patents/US3328195 <<Its this one. | Apr 18 02:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patent US3328195 - Magnetic recording medium with two storage layers for recording different ... - Google Patents | Apr 18 02:51 | |
| oiaohm | Be that tape, disc... Its got you covered. | Apr 18 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Its the define of vague. | Apr 18 02:52 |
| cubexyz | wire recording goes much further back actually | Apr 18 02:52 |
| cubexyz | and that's still magnetic | Apr 18 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Like who is going to want to do a single sided tape or disc. | Apr 18 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Does it now explain how in the 1980 why we had so many single sided discs. | Apr 18 02:53 |
| cubexyz | they coated both sides with oxide I think | Apr 18 02:53 |
| cubexyz | thus there were flippies :) | Apr 18 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Lot did because the patent only applied if it was setup to be writable. | Apr 18 02:54 |
| oiaohm | So starting the great after market disc notching. | Apr 18 02:54 |
| cubexyz | hold on a sec... | Apr 18 02:55 |
| cubexyz | my audio cassettes used both sides | Apr 18 02:56 |
| cubexyz | got one right here | Apr 18 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Yep and that was in breach of the patent. | Apr 18 02:56 |
| oiaohm | No that wrong. | Apr 18 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Audio cassettes only use one side of the magentic media. | Apr 18 02:56 |
| oiaohm | All bar 8 track of course. | Apr 18 02:57 |
| cubexyz | no :) | Apr 18 02:57 |
| cubexyz | side A and side B | Apr 18 02:57 |
| oiaohm | 4 tracks on the tape. | Apr 18 02:57 |
| oiaohm | 2 used in one direction 2 used in the other. | Apr 18 02:57 |
| cubexyz | but you flip the cassette to play the other side | Apr 18 02:58 |
| oiaohm | If someone wanted to be a jackass they could have attempted to apply us3328195 against at tape because it had side a and side b on it. | Apr 18 02:58 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: you are seeing how super vague that patent is. | Apr 18 02:58 |
| cubexyz | there were _some_ 4 track recorders | Apr 18 02:59 |
| oiaohm | Before we had software patents we already had patent problems. | Apr 18 02:59 |
| cubexyz | I'm talking normal cassette player here | Apr 18 02:59 |
| cubexyz | you flip the cassette, end of story | Apr 18 02:59 |
| cubexyz | I did say cassette | Apr 18 03:00 |
| oiaohm | US3171754 is your first rewritable cd tech | Apr 18 03:01 |
| cubexyz | wait hold on... I'm not positive | Apr 18 03:01 |
| cubexyz | it's still using the same side isn't it... sorry :) | Apr 18 03:01 |
| oiaohm | us3328195 is vague enough that you could have won it with a idiot jury. | Apr 18 03:02 |
| cubexyz | it's just flipping the tape 180 degrees | Apr 18 03:02 |
| oiaohm | All you would have to do is get the jury to ignore that it not in fact double sided as the patent states. | Apr 18 03:04 |
| cubexyz | I thought there was something that used both sides | Apr 18 03:04 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: your bigger reel to reel tape decks some of those are double sided. | Apr 18 03:05 |
| oiaohm | True double sided. | Apr 18 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Some of the new backup tape drives are now appear using double sided proper. | Apr 18 03:06 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.24 Release Party – Back in time | Apr 18 11:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/p5Sp57mo4i (feaneron.com) | Apr 18 11:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feaneron.com | 3.24 Release Party – Back in time | Georges Stavracas | Apr 18 11:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854350951821578240 | Apr 18 11:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Call for Proposals for DebConf17 Open Day | Apr 18 11:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/xFmehASdrI (bits.debian.org) | Apr 18 11:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bits.debian.org | Bits from Debian - Call for Proposals for DebConf17 Open Day | Apr 18 11:12 | |
| schestowitz | #openwashing of #windows proprietary blobs with #java | Apr 18 11:12 |
| schestowitz | https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/160649 | Apr 18 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Why not make a version for platform that's not malware w/ back doors? | Apr 18 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | New release tau-argus version 4.1.5 | Joinup | Apr 18 11:12 | |
| MinceR | such platforms are not "modern" | Apr 18 11:14 |
| MinceR | just ask poettering | Apr 18 11:14 |
| schestowitz | yeah, well... | Apr 18 11:24 |
| schestowitz | I don't think he wants to talk | Apr 18 11:24 |
| schestowitz | he locks down threads on bug reports | Apr 18 11:24 |
| schestowitz | I guess not unafraid to be seen as a tyrant who censors criticw | Apr 18 11:24 |
| schestowitz | *critics | Apr 18 11:25 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 18 11:26 |
| MinceR | one too many negations there | Apr 18 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Compare https://www.twitteraudit.com/epoorg to http://techrights.org/2017/01/27/twitter-audit-for-epo/ (January) | Apr 18 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.twitteraudit.com | @EPOorg's Audit | Twitter Audit | Audit your Twitter followers. | Apr 18 11:28 | |
| schestowitz | #epo purchasing spree of fake "followers" stopped thanks to us reporting? | Apr 18 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The European Spam Office: 37% of Twitter ‘Followers’ Are Fake, Maybe Even Paid For (Waste of EPO Budget) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/qrsb8 ] | Apr 18 11:28 | |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 18 11:28 |
| schestowitz | seems so | Apr 18 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854357765460029440 | Apr 18 11:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bird Watching: An openSUSE Maker Project | Apr 18 11:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | My Favorite Features/Changes Of The Linux 4.11 Kernel | Apr 18 11:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | A Look At Some Of The Changes So Far For LibreOffice 5.4 | Apr 18 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/f2D24npTY4 (www.phoronix.com) | Apr 18 11:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854361583232987136 | Apr 18 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Announcing a new fun venture for me: Our sister site | Apr 18 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Announcing a new fun venture for me: Our sister site LifeOnLinux | GamingOnLinux | Apr 18 11:54 | |
| schestowitz | PR stunt. Ha! And #microsoft also secretly helps the #nsa by inserting back doors into everything https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170416/18392937164/microsoft-latest-service-provider-to-pry-national-security-letter-free-gag-order.shtml see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA | Apr 18 12:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Latest Service Provider To Pry A National Security Letter Free From Its Gag Order | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/qrshb ] | Apr 18 12:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1zod ] | Apr 18 12:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854362462124199936 | Apr 18 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A Linux story, why I got into Linux and what it means to | Apr 18 12:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Linux story, why I got into Linux and what it means to me | LifeOnLinux | Apr 18 12:17 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @ApsOps favourited 'Events: Linux Plumbers Conference, CloudNativeCon and KubeCon Europe...' | Apr 18 12:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | LLVM Clang 3.9.1, Clang 4.0 & GCC 6.3 With Intel's Clear | Apr 18 12:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/Ed6qMjI2Rh (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 18 12:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LLVM Clang 3.9.1, Clang 4.0 & GCC 6.3 With Intel's Clear Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 18 12:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Announcing a new fun venture for me: Our sister site | Apr 18 12:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LifeOnLinux https://t.co/yEZjIgxQWw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 18 12:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcing a new fun venture for me: Our sister site LifeOnLinux | Tux Machines | Apr 18 12:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Announcing a new fun venture for me: Our sister site LifeOnLinux https://t.co/yEZjIgxQWw https://t.co/G7ejbaLGbA | Apr 18 12:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854368459609653249 | Apr 18 12:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ExTiX 17.4 – “The Ultimate Linux System” – with LXQt | Apr 18 12:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.11.1, Nvidia 381.09 and kernel 4.10.0-19-exton – Build | Apr 18 12:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ExTiX 17.4 – “The Ultimate Linux System” – with LXQt 0.11.1, Nvidia 381.09 and kernel 4.10.0-19-exton – Build 170418 | Tux Machines | Apr 18 12:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: ExTiX 17.4 – “The Ultimate Linux System” – with LXQt 0.11.1, Nvidia 381.09 and kernel 4.10.0-19-exton – Build 17041… https://t.co/ghrbMk4bYG | Apr 18 12:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: ExTiX 17.4 – “The Ultimate Linux System” – with LXQt 0.11.1, Nvidia 381.09 and kernel 4.10.0-19-exton – Build 17041… https://t.co/ghrbMk4bYG | Apr 18 12:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854368468287631361 | Apr 18 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Raspberry Pi pulse generator HAT targets motor control | Apr 18 12:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi pulse generator HAT targets motor control | Tux Machines | Apr 18 12:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Raspberry Pi pulse generator HAT targets motor control https://t.co/hnkC2VNpIe https://t.co/hm7Qz6Wx4K | Apr 18 12:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854376891775500288 | Apr 18 12:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hardened Node.js distro comes to Docker-friendly Alpine | Apr 18 12:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/kZlHSxfVdm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 18 12:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hardened Node.js distro comes to Docker-friendly Alpine Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 18 12:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Hardened Node.js distro comes to Docker-friendly Alpine Linux https://t.co/kZlHSxfVdm https://t.co/H4ICo99xsJ | Apr 18 12:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854376894401097728 | Apr 18 12:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.10.11 https://t.co/PSLFg0G5Io | Apr 18 12:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.10.11 | Tux Machines | Apr 18 12:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854376900927512578 | Apr 18 12:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Leftovers https://t.co/0nEkpVj0W1 | Apr 18 12:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 18 12:52 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854376904232648704 | Apr 18 13:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Debian https://t.co/a2dgsi7tDF | Apr 18 13:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian | Tux Machines | Apr 18 13:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385800145805312 | Apr 18 13:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/oooB1Jtk8f | Apr 18 13:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines | Apr 18 13:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385809725640705 | Apr 18 13:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5 Open Source companies to watch in 2017 | Apr 18 13:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Open Source companies to watch in 2017 | Tux Machines | Apr 18 13:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: 5 Open Source companies to watch in 2017 https://t.co/6CkptTEw56 https://t.co/oKh0jFqypi | Apr 18 13:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385811621519360 | Apr 18 13:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen and Android https://t.co/UTuEKFcEp0 | Apr 18 13:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen and Android | Tux Machines | Apr 18 13:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385813395722240 | Apr 18 13:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | System76, GNOME, and Ubuntu https://t.co/xetJNjngPW | Apr 18 13:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76, GNOME, and Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Apr 18 13:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385820211466240 | Apr 18 13:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Galaxy S8 and S8+ review: Another pair of excellent | Apr 18 13:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | mainstream smartphones from Samsung | Apr 18 13:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/X26RuuzO1R (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 18 13:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Galaxy S8 and S8+ review: Another pair of excellent mainstream smartphones from Samsung | Tux Machines | Apr 18 13:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Galaxy S8 and S8+ review: Another pair of excellent mainstream smartphones from Samsung https://t.co/X26RuuzO1R https://t.co/QM7wmKCWNl | Apr 18 13:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385823877283842 | Apr 18 13:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ADAS development system runs Linux on TI’s TDA2X | Apr 18 13:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ADAS development system runs Linux on TI’s TDA2X | Tux Machines | Apr 18 13:47 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks And some of these people died, like...' | Apr 18 14:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @kitkatp3rce3v4l https://twitter.com/kitkatp3rce3v4l/status/854395767578144769 | Apr 18 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://t.co/ZzEv8Uo2KS (soundcloud.com) | Apr 18 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #indiedev [Smiley tellement chouette que celui qui le | Apr 18 14:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | voit devient mon ami pour la vie] | Apr 18 14:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monkey Business [Official no human techno jazz orchestra] by NoHumanOrchestra | No Human Orchestra | Free Listening on SoundCloud | Apr 18 14:16 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@LCFC Great lineup. Hope they make final 4.' | Apr 18 14:21 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Imagine what would happen if N Korea...' | Apr 18 15:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@LCFC Hopes over. Cannot score 4 goals without...' | Apr 18 15:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks "It is difficult to get a man...' | Apr 18 15:26 | |
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| sholz0 | Yo | Apr 18 15:33 |
| sholz0 | Not a fan of Gates....just found your site. | Apr 18 15:34 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Predated by other excellent work like (with...' | Apr 18 15:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks #espionage against every election is always happening,...' | Apr 18 15:36 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks US examples alone (which we know of,...' | Apr 18 15:37 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | The long history of the U.S. interfering with elections elsewhere - The Washington Post | Apr 18 15:42 | |
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| sholz0 | Did anyone see the infowars hit piece today? | Apr 18 16:07 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks "For the children", "freedom and democracy"... ...' | Apr 18 16:35 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Bewildered beaver becomes accidental leader of 150 curious cows | Apr 18 17:13 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@LCFC Out, but with respect and dignity (good...' | Apr 18 17:21 | |
| MinceR | https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/everything-but-brexit-all-the-terrible-stuff-the-government-has-done-since-the-eu-referendum | Apr 18 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Everything But Brexit: All the Terrible Stuff the Government Has Done Since the EU Referendum - Vice [ http://ur1.ca/qrtoa ] | Apr 18 17:33 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/systemd-gandalf.png | Apr 18 17:43 |
| cubexyz | Poettering is a goof | Apr 18 17:43 |
| cubexyz | I don't like the way linux always drops the wifi connection when you close the lid | Apr 18 17:47 |
| cubexyz | wired is fine though | Apr 18 17:47 |
| cubexyz | it's not just Fedora either... Mint does the same thing | Apr 18 17:55 |
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| cubexyz | ok, udevinfo does work on vector | Apr 18 18:08 |
| cubexyz | ugh, now I'm tracking versions of everything :-/ | Apr 18 18:11 |
| cubexyz | the /sys/class stuff appears in fedora 14, vector (based on slack 12.1), slack 14.2, mint 18.1 | Apr 18 18:15 |
| cubexyz | not in zaurus, or FC1 or openbsd 4.7 | Apr 18 18:16 |
| cubexyz | and no package contains udevinfo for slack | Apr 18 18:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854460558279495680 | Apr 18 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tiny Core: Small Footprint, Big Potential | Apr 18 18:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny Core: Small Footprint, Big Potential | Tux Machines | Apr 18 18:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Tiny Core: Small Footprint, Big Potential https://t.co/as77WvMD1t https://t.co/qifGCFfta1 | Apr 18 18:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854460566529744896 | Apr 18 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | UBports Recommends Buying Fairphone 2, OnePlus One or | Apr 18 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Nexus 5 as Ubuntu Phones https://t.co/u1iVIpeOIN | Apr 18 18:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UBports Recommends Buying Fairphone 2, OnePlus One or Nexus 5 as Ubuntu Phones | Tux Machines | Apr 18 18:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854460576176553984 | Apr 18 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Did North Korea Linux ripoff Apple’s macOS? | Apr 18 18:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Did North Korea Linux ripoff Apple’s macOS? | Tux Machines | Apr 18 18:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Did North Korea Linux ripoff Apple’s macOS? https://t.co/HFbIiL3Hhh https://t.co/8TK5K9Keh5 | Apr 18 18:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854460609450057728 | Apr 18 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | NVIDIA 381 Linux Beta vs. Linux 4.11 / Mesa 17.1 Radeon | Apr 18 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Comparison https://t.co/XggB5axMxl (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 18 18:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA 381 Linux Beta vs. Linux 4.11 / Mesa 17.1 Radeon Comparison | Tux Machines | Apr 18 18:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: NVIDIA 381 Linux Beta vs. Linux 4.11 / Mesa 17.1 Radeon Comparison https://t.co/XggB5axMxl https://t.co/3QBKS09Q7k | Apr 18 18:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854460622225809408 | Apr 18 18:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Scientific Linux 6.9 Officially Released, Based on Red | Apr 18 18:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat Enterprise Linux 6.9 https://t.co/CYbjksEPTh | Apr 18 18:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/NVE3uy4aS7 | Apr 18 18:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Scientific Linux 6.9 Officially Released, Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.9 | Tux Machines | Apr 18 18:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Scientific Linux 6.9 Officially Released, Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.9 https://t.co/CYbjksEPTh https://t.co/NVE3uy4aS7 | Apr 18 18:25 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'UBports Recommends Buying Fairphone 2, OnePlus One or...' | Apr 18 18:25 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Scientific Linux 6.9 Officially Released, Based on Red...' | Apr 18 18:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @allenpg favourited 'Scientific Linux 6.9 Officially Released, Based on Red...' | Apr 18 19:16 | |
| cubexyz | learned how to scan wifi networks from the command line | Apr 18 19:29 |
| cubexyz | sudo iwlist wlp2s6 scan | Apr 18 19:29 |
| cubexyz | or wlan0 or whatever it is | Apr 18 19:30 |
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| cubexyz | tells you the frequency and channel, encryption etc | Apr 18 19:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854484830343409664 | Apr 18 20:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Black Lab Linux's Weekly Releases Move to the GNOME 3 | Apr 18 20:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Desktop, New ISO Out Now https://t.co/whl9qvd56V | Apr 18 20:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Lab Linux's Weekly Releases Move to the GNOME 3 Desktop, New ISO Out Now | Tux Machines | Apr 18 20:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Black Lab Linux's Weekly Releases Move to the GNOME 3 Desktop, New ISO Out Now https://t.co/whl9qvd56V https://t.co/mfjQ0SAWtU | Apr 18 20:22 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/beavis-and-trumphead.jpg | Apr 18 20:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854490381165228032 | Apr 18 20:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 6 hidden Android tricks to increase productivity | Apr 18 20:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/uDrV0ABCBU (www.techrepublic.com) | Apr 18 20:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-6 hidden Android tricks to increase productivity - TechRepublic | Apr 18 20:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | What is Google’s Android mascot doing in North Korea? | Apr 18 20:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | What is Google’s Android mascot doing in North Korea? - The Verge | Apr 18 20:45 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Black Lab Linux's Weekly Releases Move to the...' | Apr 18 22:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854565747179356160 | Apr 19 01:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Details leak on Android creator's mysterious Essential | Apr 19 01:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phone https://t.co/GHtcdDxRBz (www.cnet.com) | Apr 19 01:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Android creator's Essential phone has its specs leaked - CNET | Apr 19 01:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Greens deserve their own option here. They're...' | Apr 19 01:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854571636950958081 | Apr 19 01:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat looks to ramp up channel storage business | Apr 19 01:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat looks to ramp up channel storage business - ChannelBuzz.ca | Apr 19 01:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854572767387242496 | Apr 19 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Docker debuts containerized kit for building Linux | Apr 19 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | distros https://t.co/C4rF3Ps9Za (www.infoworld.com) | Apr 19 01:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Docker debuts containerized kit for building Linux distros | InfoWorld | Apr 19 01:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ZipinParadise @CrackingStone @wikileaks The Green party in the...' | Apr 19 02:01 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Deleted Scene from "The Force Awakens." | Apr 19 02:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Deleted Scene from "The Force Awakens." - Album on Imgur | Apr 19 02:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854575619203530752 | Apr 19 02:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | F25-20170418 Updated Live isos released | Apr 19 02:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jbwillia.wordpress.com | F25-20170418 Updated Live isos released | Jbwillia's Weblog | Apr 19 02:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Both have lost credibility on #brexit They...' | Apr 19 02:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Both have lost credibility on...' | Apr 19 02:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854577664941838336 | Apr 19 02:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | As container adoption grows, Linux community champions | Apr 19 02:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | open source | Apr 19 02:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rZccewGVMU (siliconangle.com) | Apr 19 02:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As container adoption grows, Linux community champions open source - SiliconANGLE | Apr 19 02:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854579031907454976 | Apr 19 02:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Flock Cod Logo Ideas https://t.co/ncTrOHpTIH | Apr 19 02:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.linuxgrrl.com | Flock Cod Logo Ideas – Máirín Duffy | Apr 19 02:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854581118103953409 | Apr 19 02:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.10.11 https://t.co/YEg7xwgcV4 (lwn.net) | Apr 19 02:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.9.23 https://t.co/6LIg29xzLj (lwn.net) | Apr 19 02:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.4.62 https://t.co/AUWww0O4t9 (lwn.net) | Apr 19 02:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.18.49 https://t.co/jkLtWuDls2 (lwn.net) | Apr 19 02:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854586788723265536 | Apr 19 02:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Geneshift, the top-down shooter with vehicles has an | Apr 19 02:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Early Access launch date and a Linux demo | Apr 19 02:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/hKgqrYpC53 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Apr 19 02:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Geneshift, the top-down shooter with vehicles has an Early Access launch date and a Linux demo | GamingOnLinux | Apr 19 02:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854587702079082497 | Apr 19 02:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Unity desktop environment isn't dead, forks planned | Apr 19 02:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/e147W992tu (www.lifeonlinux.com) | Apr 19 02:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Unity desktop environment isn't dead, forks planned | LifeOnLinux | Apr 19 02:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854588755298091008 | Apr 19 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Downward, an impressive first-person open-world Parkour | Apr 19 03:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | adventure supports Linux https://t.co/UxrbjVQXfn | Apr 19 03:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Downward, an impressive first-person open-world Parkour adventure supports Linux | GamingOnLinux | Apr 19 03:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854590823568203776 | Apr 19 03:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Flinthook, a fast action-platformer with roguelike | Apr 19 03:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | elements releases day-1 for Linux https://t.co/uMjAkwznFp | Apr 19 03:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Flinthook, a fast action-platformer with roguelike elements releases day-1 for Linux | GamingOnLinux | Apr 19 03:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854591157594013697 | Apr 19 03:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | nano: CLI Text Editor For Everyone [basic tutorials] | Apr 19 03:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/kdh8dd3BFz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 19 03:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | nano: CLI Text Editor For Everyone [basic tutorials] | Tux Machines | Apr 19 03:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854592296800710656 | Apr 19 03:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Unreal Tournament 0.1.10 Released https://t.co/iogGHwZrcm | Apr 19 03:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unreal Tournament 0.1.10 Released - Phoronix | Apr 19 03:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854599456309755904 | Apr 19 03:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Docker News From DockerCon and Moby | Apr 19 03:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Docker News From DockerCon and Moby | Tux Machines | Apr 19 03:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/ghSvuTh3jN | Apr 19 03:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Apr 19 03:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854599458461409281 | Apr 19 03:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LibreOffice 5.4 Previews https://t.co/6URxeiBkvp | Apr 19 03:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5.4 Previews | Tux Machines | Apr 19 03:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Linux and Linux Foundation https://t.co/u1ZDcopjBT | Apr 19 03:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux and Linux Foundation | Tux Machines | Apr 19 03:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854599473275715584 | Apr 19 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Dell Launches Precision 5720 All-in-One Workstation | Apr 19 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Powered by Ubuntu 16.04 LTS https://t.co/ZoWgbOgYAQ | Apr 19 03:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dell Launches Precision 5720 All-in-One Workstation Powered by Ubuntu 16.04 LTS | Tux Machines | Apr 19 03:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Dell Launches Precision 5720 All-in-One Workstation Powered by Ubuntu 16.04 LTS https://t.co/ZoWgbOgYAQ https://t.co/exrAAZX63T | Apr 19 03:40 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange You don't quality even to vote. Just...' | Apr 19 03:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Dive Into Connected Car and Open Source at Automotive | Apr 19 04:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Summit 2017 | Apr 19 04:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dive Into Connected Car and Open Source at Automotive Linux Summit 2017 | Linux.com | The source for Linux information | Apr 19 04:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854607418025795584 | Apr 19 04:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu May Ditch Thunderbird, Possibly Ship With No Email | Apr 19 04:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | App https://t.co/5u9Ois6HLL (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Apr 19 04:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu May Ditch Thunderbird, Possibly Ship With No Email App - OMG! Ubuntu! | Apr 19 04:08 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854609102135328768 | Apr 19 04:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Is Switching to Wayland https://t.co/jXi6xVJPcE | Apr 19 04:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu Is Switching to Wayland - OMG! Ubuntu! | Apr 19 04:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854615439103606786 | Apr 19 05:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Is Switching to Wayland, May be Dropping | Apr 19 05:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Thunderbird, Unity Remains Alive https://t.co/LW50B6QbF0 | Apr 19 05:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Is Switching to Wayland, May be Dropping Thunderbird, Unity Remains Alive | Tux Machines | Apr 19 05:13 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: hey yo | Apr 19 05:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854623872045404161 | Apr 19 05:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Docker News and Microsoft's EEE Attempts | Apr 19 05:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Bwy0OTOAl0 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 19 05:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Docker News and Microsoft's EEE Attempts | Tux Machines | Apr 19 05:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854632052523548672 | Apr 19 05:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Red Hat CFO and Financial News | Apr 19 05:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Red Hat CFO and Financial News | Tux Machines | Apr 19 05:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854632061851672576 | Apr 19 05:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/uNLlqzSjMj | Apr 19 05:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Apr 19 05:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/shjKgxHjxc | Apr 19 05:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 19 05:53 | |
| oiaohm | Really most people don't know the difference between IBM and Microsoft in method. Microsoft is EEE Embrace Extend Exterminate. IBM EEI Embrace, Extend, Integrate one word difference very different behaviour. Systemd is EEI | Apr 19 05:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854634455172091904 | Apr 19 06:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Systemd-implementation of "rm -rf" Buggy, Could Erase | Apr 19 06:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Partitionhttps://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=17/04/17/1550240 | Apr 19 06:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Apr 19 06:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Security Leftovers https://t.co/EKCeR7kFJy | Apr 19 06:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Microsoft and Apple Lock-in https://t.co/VaXNDugE2r | Apr 19 06:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Links 19/4/2017: DockerCon Coverage, Ubuntu Switching to | Apr 19 07:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Oracle Patches Solaris 10 https://t.co/H5Xyi4WjAD | Apr 19 11:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Immortal Redneck, an FPS set in Egypt with rogue-lite | Apr 19 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | elements releases for #Linux soon https://t.co/OaRVBU7NYl | Apr 19 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) #games | Apr 19 11:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Immortal Redneck, an FPS set in Egypt with rogue-lite elements releases for Linux soon | GamingOnLinux | Apr 19 11:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Latest Container and Docker News From DockerCon | Apr 19 11:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | MU Music Player – A Player That Remembers All Your Music | Apr 19 12:01 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | 10 Awesome Games You Can Play on Your Chromebook | Apr 19 12:16 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Java 9 Tech Preview Planned For Fedora 27 | Apr 19 12:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Anaconda, Hadoop, and OpenStack https://t.co/7cOVF8MrPQ | Apr 19 12:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/rJm3SyUR5i | Apr 19 12:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Graphics in Linux https://t.co/J86uSdGFcs | Apr 19 12:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Mozilla Cuts https://t.co/aGlWVJsDkb | Apr 19 12:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Cuts | Tux Machines | Apr 19 12:56 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: eurodisco vivas %) | Apr 19 14:14 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @JulianAssange "the CIA/Pompeo has desperately vowed to...' | Apr 19 15:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Yes, but don't tell the AstroTurfers who...' | Apr 19 15:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | What’s the Difference Between Linux EXT, XFS, and BTRFS | Apr 19 15:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Filesystems? https://t.co/kK9SNuYD5t | Apr 19 15:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What’s the Difference Between Linux EXT, XFS, and BTRFS Filesystems? | Tux Machines | Apr 19 15:10 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @quantumesia Not sure why you bother with...' | Apr 19 15:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Tinker Board ships in U.S. at $60 https://t.co/0ibLkj3Jjn | Apr 19 15:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tinker Board ships in U.S. at $60 | Tux Machines | Apr 19 15:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Linux desktop operating system: A beginner's guide | Apr 19 15:42 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | 53.0 Firefox Release https://t.co/vOwnFXDWIi | Apr 19 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | 12 years ago: my workstation at the university http://schestowitz.com/Family_Photos/Webcam/2005/05/15052005/15052005015.jpg (that laptop had Win98, 32MB of RAM) | Apr 19 16:03 |
| schestowitz | dual boots at the time | Apr 19 16:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Icelanders found a trapdoor in their new house - Imgur | Apr 19 16:54 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Marcon will be the next President. He's...' | Apr 19 17:28 | |
| DaemonFC | https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/No-Linux-BIOS-for-ideapad-710S-quot-Plus-13IKB-quot/m-p/3633595#M9238 | Apr 19 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Solved: Re: No Linux BIOS for ideapad 710S "Plus-13IKB" - Lenovo Community [ http://ur1.ca/qryfo ] | Apr 19 17:39 | |
| DaemonFC | Looks like Lenovo is at it again. | Apr 19 17:39 |
| MinceR | http://random.cat/i/QmaPv.jpg | Apr 19 17:46 |
| MinceR | looks like they need another lesson | Apr 19 17:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks, give em hell over it | Apr 19 17:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Canonical to Make GNOME Default Session in Ubuntu 17.10, | Apr 19 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Likely Use Wayland https://t.co/9lm4ejWBxq | Apr 19 18:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical to Make GNOME Default Session in Ubuntu 17.10, Likely Use Wayland | Tux Machines | Apr 19 18:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Canonical to Make GNOME Default Session in Ubuntu 17.10, Likely Use Wayland https://t.co/9lm4ejWBxq https://t.co/ZCIMJtlxba | Apr 19 18:32 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not that funny | Apr 19 18:40 |
| MinceR | i beg to differ | Apr 19 18:40 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Today in Techrights https://t.co/SxQvVUKrkC | Apr 19 20:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/854859252770496514 | Apr 19 21:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Apr 19 21:16 | |
| cubexyz | ok, about IBM.... | Apr 19 22:59 |
| cubexyz | first of all IBM in decline | Apr 19 23:00 |
| cubexyz | they got the mainframe business and some software still | Apr 19 23:00 |
| cubexyz | probably been in decline since the early 1990's | Apr 19 23:00 |
| cubexyz | now the question is, is Microsoft in decline? | Apr 19 23:02 |
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| cubexyz | yes, in some ways | Apr 19 23:02 |
| cubexyz | the PC itself is in a bit of a decline | Apr 19 23:02 |
| cubexyz | 5 years of declining shipments... | Apr 19 23:08 |
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| cubexyz | there actually could be a reversion back to discrete solid state components | Apr 20 02:17 |
| cubexyz | perhaps not for computers, but for other things like AM/FM radio receivers or Ham Radios | Apr 20 02:17 |
| MinceR | that lenovo forum has an interesting concept of "Solved" | Apr 20 02:19 |
| cubexyz | oh? | Apr 20 02:19 |
| cubexyz | you mean the BIOS issue? | Apr 20 02:19 |
| MinceR | yes | Apr 20 02:19 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/vbK7Bhr.jpg (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/qHwVu ) | Apr 20 02:23 |
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| cubexyz | well it's a bit naive to think a "microsoft signature edition PC" would work well on linux | Apr 20 02:24 |
| cubexyz | I'd avoid those | Apr 20 02:24 |
| cubexyz | you're stuck with whatever Lenovo gives you BIOS-wise | Apr 20 02:26 |
| cubexyz | a binary | Apr 20 02:26 |
| cubexyz | if the BIOS is socketed then hacking is OK | Apr 20 02:32 |
| cubexyz | if not then you're in for some pain | Apr 20 02:32 |
| MinceR | inb4 all PCs are "microsoft signature edition PC"s | Apr 20 02:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Wine-Staging 2.6 https://t.co/i01RUYHXA9 | Apr 20 03:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | deepin 15.4 Linux Officially Released with Brand New | Apr 20 03:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Design, Smarter Installer https://t.co/vXWayi2rwf | Apr 20 03:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine-Staging 2.6 | Tux Machines | Apr 20 03:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Tails 2.12 Anonymous Live OS Is Out, Drops I2P as | Apr 20 03:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Alternative Anonymity Network https://t.co/r6CZMcPTIT | Apr 20 03:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | deepin 15.4 Linux Officially Released with Brand New Design, Smarter Installer | Tux Machines | Apr 20 03:05 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tails 2.12 Anonymous Live OS Is Out, Drops I2P as Alternative Anonymity Network | Tux Machines | Apr 20 03:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | First GNOME 3.26 Desktop Environment Features Revealed, | Apr 20 03:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First GNOME 3.26 Desktop Environment Features Revealed, New Usage App Planned | Apr 20 03:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | TinkerOS_Debian V1.8 (Beta version) Released | Apr 20 04:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | What to Expect From The $89 Pinebook Laptop | Apr 20 05:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Pinebook and Precision Workstation With GNU/Linux | Apr 20 05:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | A Global Menu Extension for GNOME Shell is in Development | Apr 20 05:29 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Is it safe to install North Korea Linux? | Apr 20 05:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | You Can Now Run Arch Linux Natively On Pixel C, Here’s | Apr 20 05:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 20 06:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/iaHYAoB5XJ | Apr 20 06:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/6zANv7wH6A | Apr 20 06:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Financial News https://t.co/l1enzLTDYo | Apr 20 06:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Software https://t.co/24od1Q9ajv | Apr 20 06:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Links 20/4/2017: Tor Browser 6.5.2, PacketFence 7.0, New | Apr 20 07:10 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'First GNOME 3.26 Desktop Environment Features Revealed, New...' | Apr 20 07:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Debian/TinkerOS, Ubuntu | Apr 20 07:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian/TinkerOS, Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Apr 20 07:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME News https://t.co/tzSZaiGqAP (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 20 07:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME News | Tux Machines | Apr 20 07:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/yBHgYEwRRJ | Apr 20 07:27 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @vakir77 favourited 'deepin 15.4 Linux Officially Released with Brand New...' | Apr 20 11:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Etcher - Burn Images To SD Card & Make Bootable USB | Apr 20 12:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | The Raspberry Pi And Raspbian OS [The Cheapest Computer] | Apr 20 13:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/M71CFvVW61 | Apr 20 13:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | You Can Now Run Arch Linux Natively On Pixel C, Here’s | Apr 20 13:33 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Samba, Ceph, LightDM Update in Tumbleweed Snapshots | Apr 20 13:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | A Look at Desktop Environments: UNITY | Apr 20 13:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Review On Ubuntu Budgie 17.04: Newest Ubuntu Flavor | Apr 20 14:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | The Past, Present and Future of Canonical and Ubuntu | Apr 20 14:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/FO5nd2UPba (thevarguy.com) | Apr 20 14:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | The Past, Present and Future of Canonical and Ubuntu Linux | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy | Apr 20 14:19 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks There are also other tricks, like in...' | Apr 20 14:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Security Leftovers: Security Updates and Reproducible | Apr 20 14:40 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Consider Linux as Your Go-To Operating System | Apr 20 14:40 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Raspberry Pi https://t.co/v7OqKSmwTc | Apr 20 15:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Low Power Wireless: 6LoWPAN, IEEE802.15.4 and the Raspberry Pi | Tux Machines | Apr 20 15:12 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Offers Launchpad for IT Transformation with | Apr 20 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Latest Version of Red Hat Virtualization | Apr 20 15:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Offers Launchpad for IT Transformation with Latest Version of Red Hat Virtualization | Tux Machines | Apr 20 15:13 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Consider Linux as Your Go-To Operating System | Apr 20 16:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.radiomagonline.com | Consider Linux as Your Go-To Operating System | Radio magazine | Apr 20 16:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | The 5 best Linux laptops of 2017 https://t.co/QvFV1SLrXB | Apr 20 16:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techradar.com) see https://t.co/XvAqUQsWA2 | Apr 20 16:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The 5 best Linux laptops of 2017 | TechRadar | Apr 20 16:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-System76 to design and manufacture their desktop PCs in-house | LifeOnLinux | Apr 20 16:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu-friendly Qseven COM runs on Apollo Lake | Apr 20 16:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/WJewBZvMd1 (linuxgizmos.com) | Apr 20 16:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Ubuntu-friendly Qseven COM runs on Apollo Lake | Apr 20 16:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Mir Developers See The Door, No Commits In A Week | Apr 20 16:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | "The Wine maintenance release 2.0.1 is now available." | Apr 20 16:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org | WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine maintenance release 2.0.1 is now available. | Apr 20 16:38 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | "GStreamer 1.12.0 will soon be released" | Apr 20 16:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Building a Wearable Device with Zephyr | Apr 20 16:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Building a Wearable Device with Zephyr | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | System76 System76 https://t.co/S9xeQ04D7F | Apr 20 16:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 System76 | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Future of Ubuntu Server and Desktop | Apr 20 16:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Future of Ubuntu Server and Desktop | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855170346512662533 | Apr 20 17:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Compilers: Not Just GNU https://t.co/TbuAKHtY7N | Apr 20 17:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Compilers: Not Just GNU | Tux Machines | Apr 20 17:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd @MarcusRashford Job done and United has a...' | Apr 20 17:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Mike Pence has already said they would...' | Apr 20 17:35 | |
| cubexyz | warning about Motorola consumer grade radios... | Apr 20 17:38 |
| cubexyz | you get 12 month warranty | Apr 20 17:38 |
| cubexyz | no repair spares | Apr 20 17:38 |
| cubexyz | no service support | Apr 20 17:39 |
| MinceR | so the usual crap | Apr 20 17:39 |
| cubexyz | no service manuals | Apr 20 17:39 |
| cubexyz | only parts must be scavenged from other radios with the same model | Apr 20 17:40 |
| cubexyz | even the 3rd party repair people are reluctant to look at them | Apr 20 17:40 |
| cubexyz | so avoid Motorola PMR446 radios | Apr 20 17:43 |
| cubexyz | experts are telling me to buy Icom, Kenwood or Hytera | Apr 20 17:44 |
| cubexyz | maybe a vintage Zenith if you're decent with electronics repair | Apr 20 17:45 |
| cubexyz | uh, unfortunately they stopped making Zenith radios in 1981 :-/ | Apr 20 17:47 |
| cubexyz | 1942 to 1981 | Apr 20 17:47 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Oceanic | Apr 20 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Trans-Oceanic - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/qs3rb ] | Apr 20 17:48 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Mike Pence has already said...' | Apr 20 17:49 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange "To convict Manning, it will be necessary...' | Apr 20 17:49 | |
| cubexyz | that's 36 years old at least | Apr 20 17:50 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange "To convict Manning, it will...' | Apr 20 17:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855177927604015104 | Apr 20 17:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Diluvion, the deep sea exploration game with RPG elements | Apr 20 17:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | is getting a Linux beta https://t.co/1koabYj5Qd | Apr 20 17:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Apr 20 17:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Diluvion, the deep sea exploration game with RPG elements is getting a Linux beta | GamingOnLinux | Apr 20 17:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855178256584200193 | Apr 20 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Techland claim to have finally fixed Linux co-op in Dying | Apr 20 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Light https://t.co/uE19H3gCo6 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Apr 20 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 20 17:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Techland claim to have finally fixed Linux co-op in Dying Light | GamingOnLinux | Apr 20 17:57 | |
| cubexyz | they stopped making the Sony CRF-5100 in 1981 as well | Apr 20 17:58 |
| cubexyz | Sony used a weird plug design on the AC cord for those | Apr 20 18:00 |
| MinceR | http://assets.amuniversal.com/3abd09a0ea5101346b24005056a9545d (sauce: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-03-29 ) | Apr 20 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wally Is Either Lazy Or Wise - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-03-29 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Apr 20 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855178525870968833 | Apr 20 18:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wine Releases https://t.co/JAzGZ90SAW | Apr 20 18:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Releases | Tux Machines | Apr 20 18:14 | |
| cubexyz | electrotanya comes through again :) | Apr 20 18:16 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 20 18:17 |
| cubexyz | has the service manual for the Royal 7000 | Apr 20 18:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855182810369413120 | Apr 20 18:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Aspyr Media today rolled out the Spring Update for Sid | Apr 20 18:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Meier's Civilization VI [Steam] for Linux gamers" | Apr 20 18:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/bitPC8lIl5 (joinup.ec.europa.eu) | Apr 20 18:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Two tender announcements: lock-in vs. moving freely | Joinup | Apr 20 18:20 | |
| cubexyz | parts exhaustion is a problem with these things | Apr 20 18:28 |
| cubexyz | of course, even 2009 era Sony HDTVs I had a bit of a bother finding the timer controller | Apr 20 18:28 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks "Obama had decided not to charge WikiLeaks......' | Apr 20 18:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks "Obama had decided not to...' | Apr 20 18:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855187086206410753 | Apr 20 18:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/bHllMxJ6vK | Apr 20 18:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Apr 20 18:31 | |
| cubexyz | so avoid the really old ones like Zenith 1000 and 3000 series | Apr 20 18:31 |
| cubexyz | get the 7000 series | Apr 20 18:32 |
| cubexyz | http://www.notpurfect.com/main/d7000.html | Apr 20 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.notpurfect.com | Transoceanic | Apr 20 18:35 | |
| cubexyz | wow, 9 D cells | Apr 20 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855187087779184640 | Apr 20 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Raspberry Pi HAT does 3G/HSPA, and GNSS too | Apr 20 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/O4CxENekGn (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 20 18:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi HAT does 3G/HSPA, and GNSS too | Tux Machines | Apr 20 18:39 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Maybe if they didn't make a mess...' | Apr 20 18:39 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The same publisher, Wash Post, actually called...' | Apr 20 18:52 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @Snowden It's not about whether you're publisher...' | Apr 20 18:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855194140400812032 | Apr 20 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Opto 22 joins the Linux Foundation | Apr 20 19:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/YWGEXasI3Y (www.controldesign.com) | Apr 20 19:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.controldesign.com | Opto 22 joins the Linux Foundation | Apr 20 19:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855199018493849601 | Apr 20 19:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 17.10 Is Named ‘Artful Aardvark’ | Apr 20 19:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zLluW22aDB (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Apr 20 19:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu 17.10 Is Named 'Artful Aardvark' - OMG! Ubuntu! | Apr 20 19:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855203449746505728 | Apr 20 19:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 17.10 Is Named ‘Artful Aardvark’ | Apr 20 19:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 17.10 Is Named ‘Artful Aardvark’ | Tux Machines | Apr 20 19:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Ubuntu 17.10 Is Named ‘Artful Aardvark’ https://t.co/62z9l0AO4u https://t.co/TssIR1k4ff | Apr 20 19:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | DockerCon News https://t.co/wzAau38qjY | Apr 20 19:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DockerCon News | Tux Machines | Apr 20 19:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855206954674814978 | Apr 20 19:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE Ships KDE Applications 17.04.0 | Apr 20 19:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org | KDE - KDE Ships KDE Applications 17.04.0 | Apr 20 19:52 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | BFQ I/O Scheduler Queued For Linux 4.12 | Apr 20 19:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BFQ I/O Scheduler Queued For Linux 4.12 - Phoronix | Apr 20 19:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855207941863075842 | Apr 20 20:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Jonathan Blow's next game looks like it might support | Apr 20 20:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/51dEy3jWZm (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Apr 20 20:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jonathan Blow's next game looks like it might support Linux | GamingOnLinux | Apr 20 20:01 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks How that would work with the United...' | Apr 20 20:01 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | KDE Applications 17.04 and United KDE theme | Apr 20 20:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Mozilla Thunderbird, Firefox, and Google Blocking Ads? | Apr 20 20:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Thunderbird, Firefox, and Google Blocking Ads? | Tux Machines | Apr 20 20:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211884680593408 | Apr 20 20:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux and Linux Foundation https://t.co/axJ3DYwb7b | Apr 20 20:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME News https://t.co/bV1CUeJDPf (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 20 20:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211891504762880 | Apr 20 20:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Graphics in Linux https://t.co/nNtA6IbObH | Apr 20 20:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics in Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 20 20:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211893790695424 | Apr 20 20:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen and Android https://t.co/Zv3w1U8PJl | Apr 20 20:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen and Android | Tux Machines | Apr 20 20:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211895971733504 | Apr 20 20:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Software https://t.co/6VxcrI2P7V | Apr 20 20:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Apr 20 20:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211898421116928 | Apr 20 20:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos https://t.co/FSQkf2UQrW | Apr 20 20:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 20 20:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211900451250176 | Apr 20 20:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Leftovers https://t.co/JB5s3ImT2Z | Apr 20 20:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 20 20:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @Snowden Trump said the same' | Apr 20 20:15 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @Snowden Trump said the same' | Apr 20 20:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks blackmail @lenin like #kerry did?' | Apr 20 20:43 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks blackmail @lenin like #kerry did?' | Apr 20 21:17 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855296985313628162 | Apr 21 01:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Indicator Bulletin – A Clipboard Manager for Searching | Apr 21 01:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Formatting Text https://t.co/4eTc63uBqX | Apr 21 01:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fossmint.com | Indicator Bulletin - A Clipboard Manager for Searching and Formatting Text | Apr 21 01:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Do it. It will be a wise...' | Apr 21 01:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Do it. It will be...' | Apr 21 02:12 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855304102724608000 | Apr 21 02:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A group of middle-school girls is learning to program, | Apr 21 02:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | courtesy of Red Hat https://t.co/9PO5uOHrnA | Apr 21 02:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A group of middle-school girls is learning to program, courtesy of Red Hat | Tux Machines | Apr 21 02:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855304104121253888 | Apr 21 02:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mirantis enters the Kubernetes game and ups its OpenStack | Apr 21 02:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | play https://t.co/MWnJoL4zzR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 21 02:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mirantis enters the Kubernetes game and ups its OpenStack play | Tux Machines | Apr 21 02:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855304105534803968 | Apr 21 02:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Black Duck Attacks FOSS Again, for Marketing Purposes, | Apr 21 02:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Pretends It's "Research" https://t.co/zpIwOoy9tn | Apr 21 02:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Duck Attacks FOSS Again, for Marketing Purposes, Pretends It's "Research" | Tux Machines | Apr 21 02:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855304522872127488 | Apr 21 02:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE Fans Launch Petition to Make Plasma Ubuntu’s Next | Apr 21 02:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Desktop https://t.co/Tnvx292d0a (www.omgubuntu.co.uk) | Apr 21 02:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | KDE Fans Launch Petition to Make Plasma Ubuntu's Next Desktop - OMG! Ubuntu! | Apr 21 02:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855312406024642560 | Apr 21 02:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/CQBbaD1CGn | Apr 21 02:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Apr 21 02:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855314227279478784 | Apr 21 03:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Soylentnews is Moving to Gentoo... | Apr 21 03:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0WNqIRsBWF (soylentnews.org) | Apr 21 03:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Soylentnews.org is Moving to Gentoo... - SoylentNews | Apr 21 03:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @JulianAssange Wake the f* up,...' | Apr 21 03:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @JulianAssange Wake the f* up, people. The...' | Apr 21 03:34 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks I loved his debates with Noam Chomsky,...' | Apr 21 03:42 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @MashiRafael @Lenin @RicardoPatinoEC @GuillaumeLong @teleSUR_English @teleSURtv @el_telegrafo...' | Apr 21 03:42 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange @MashiRafael @Lenin @RicardoPatinoEC @GuillaumeLong @teleSUR_English...' | Apr 21 03:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @jeremyscahill DN's shows with #assange are also...' | Apr 21 03:52 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange @jeremyscahill DN's shows with #assange...' | Apr 21 04:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855332881572413440 | Apr 21 04:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Elive 2.9.0 beta released https://t.co/Oqe6EUY26v | Apr 21 04:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.elivecd.org | Elive 2.9.0 beta released - Elive Linux | Apr 21 04:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855338077903962112 | Apr 21 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Development News https://t.co/4G865xl5Hs | Apr 21 04:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development News | Tux Machines | Apr 21 04:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855338079107796992 | Apr 21 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hardware/Modding https://t.co/r3Jv9OUtQB | Apr 21 04:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hardware/Modding | Tux Machines | Apr 21 04:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855338080349245441 | Apr 21 04:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian Derivatives: Elive, TeX Live, and deepin | Apr 21 04:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6UlqDic6bs (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 21 04:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Derivatives: Elive, TeX Live, and deepin | Tux Machines | Apr 21 04:42 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @wikileaks #trump promised all sorts of things...' | Apr 21 04:42 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange @wikileaks #trump promised all sorts...' | Apr 21 05:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855354456149340160 | Apr 21 05:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | UK GDS looking for architects with open source expertise | Apr 21 05:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/AelYiYMURA (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 21 05:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UK GDS looking for architects with open source expertise | Tux Machines | Apr 21 05:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: UK GDS looking for architects with open source expertise https://t.co/AelYiYMURA https://t.co/ZxkorIBGTA | Apr 21 05:36 | |
| schestowitz | Don't use proprietary spyware chrome - use firefox with adblock (or equivalent) instead https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170420/07474037194/weird-antitrust-questions-google-chrome-ad-blocker.shtml Google profits from spying, ads | Apr 21 05:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Weird Antitrust Questions Of A Google Chrome Ad Blocker | Techdirt | Apr 21 05:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855354465557241856 | Apr 21 06:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Farewell Unity, you challenged desktop Linux. Oh well, | Apr 21 06:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | here's Ubuntu 17.04 https://t.co/uzmCTQ5WX3 | Apr 21 06:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/SWiObYbJVV | Apr 21 06:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Farewell Unity, you challenged desktop Linux. Oh well, here's Ubuntu 17.04 | Tux Machines | Apr 21 06:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Farewell Unity, you challenged desktop Linux. Oh well, here's Ubuntu 17.04 https://t.co/uzmCTQ5WX3 https://t.co/SWiObYbJVV | Apr 21 06:17 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks This is why the #cia and now...' | Apr 21 06:27 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks This is why the #cia...' | Apr 21 06:28 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks These kinds of charges - the real...' | Apr 21 06:33 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks These kinds of charges -...' | Apr 21 06:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855376502107635712 | Apr 21 07:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | MIUI is never going to be close to stock Android, and | Apr 21 07:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | that's a good thing https://t.co/8OW2XnifUy | Apr 21 07:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | MIUI is never going to be close to stock Android, and that's a good thing | Android Central | Apr 21 07:13 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks He also loved his two...' | Apr 21 07:13 | |
| Auffman1 | o/ | Apr 21 07:17 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks He also loved his two ex wives....' | Apr 21 07:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks French politicians ought to be aware by...' | Apr 21 07:23 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks This isn't going to end well https://t.co/0JYK64YYM9' | Apr 21 07:26 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks This isn't going to end...' | Apr 21 07:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855387278394376192 | Apr 21 07:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Leftovers https://t.co/0R4opo8RFT | Apr 21 07:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 21 07:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @ggreenwald @democracynow #wikileaks is very low-hanging fruit....' | Apr 21 07:54 | |
| cubexyz | quite an education just looking through this service manual | Apr 21 08:01 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @ggreenwald @democracynow #wikileaks is very...' | Apr 21 08:04 | |
| MinceR | http://assets.amuniversal.com/3ecb6890ea5101346b24005056a9545d (sauce: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-03-31 ) | Apr 21 08:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Attend A Meeting In My Place - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-03-31 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Apr 21 08:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855391814555185152 | Apr 21 08:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 21/4/2017: System76 Entering Phase Three, KDE | Apr 21 08:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Applications 17.04, Elive 2.9.0 Beta | Apr 21 08:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XBqhtDjxjd (techrights.org) | Apr 21 08:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/4/2017: System76 Entering Phase Three, KDE Applications 17.04, Elive 2.9.0 Beta | Techrights | Apr 21 08:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855395707129257989 | Apr 21 08:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Big Data and OpenStack https://t.co/8PdlxfIOrW | Apr 21 08:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Big Data and OpenStack | Tux Machines | Apr 21 08:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855395708341411840 | Apr 21 08:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: OSS and Sharing https://t.co/ZUAm8eKhsi | Apr 21 08:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS and Sharing | Tux Machines | Apr 21 08:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855395710174281728 | Apr 21 08:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux on Servers https://t.co/eCyDhXxURq | Apr 21 08:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux on Servers | Tux Machines | Apr 21 08:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855395711495438336 | Apr 21 08:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/61ya6Ng95B | Apr 21 08:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 21 08:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855395712783106048 | Apr 21 08:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's leftovers https://t.co/60bOs8oFFy | Apr 21 08:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 21 08:28 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/4/2017: System76 Entering Phase Three, KDE Applications...' | Apr 21 08:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tommy_sykes/status/855399738639646721 | Apr 21 08:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by deepin 15.4 Linux Officially Released with Brand New | Apr 21 08:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tommy_sykes Design, Smarter Installer https://t.co/vXWayi2rwf | Apr 21 08:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/Kyi7L7MCbB | Apr 21 08:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | deepin 15.4 Linux Officially Released with Brand New Design, Smarter Installer | Tux Machines | Apr 21 08:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: deepin 15.4 Linux Officially Released with Brand New Design, Smarter Installer https://t.co/vXWayi2rwf https://t.co/Kyi7L7MCbB | Apr 21 08:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855403768401190912 | Apr 21 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Qt Creator 4.2.2 released https://t.co/51h1rzyWc3 | Apr 21 10:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt Creator 4.2.2 released | Tux Machines | Apr 21 10:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Qt Creator 4.2.2 released https://t.co/51h1rzyWc3 https://t.co/zqUH46mqoX | Apr 21 10:54 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The same is true for 'smart' meters,...' | Apr 21 11:09 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The world needs Wikileaks because when Chelsea...' | Apr 21 11:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks The world needs Wikileaks because...' | Apr 21 11:23 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Trump could go after The Intercept next...' | Apr 21 11:28 | |
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| zoobab | hi | Apr 21 12:24 |
| zoobab | About UPC in the UK, seems the government can do whatever they want with the SIs in hands | Apr 21 12:25 |
| MinceR | hi | Apr 21 12:27 |
| MinceR | what's an SI? | Apr 21 12:27 |
| zoobab | Statutory Instrument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_instrument | Apr 21 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: maybe | Apr 21 12:37 |
| schestowitz | but they won't | Apr 21 12:37 |
| schestowitz | transition time | Apr 21 12:38 |
| schestowitz | and then it won't be on the agenda | Apr 21 12:38 |
| schestowitz | and they don't need to commit to anything IPO said | Apr 21 12:38 |
| schestowitz | under Tory leadership | Apr 21 12:38 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: even if Tories stay, they won't be talking about it for a while | Apr 21 12:38 |
| schestowitz | it throws a wrench into the ratification 'workflow' set out by the liars of Team UPC | Apr 21 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Battistelli's term is ending in one year | Apr 21 12:39 |
| schestowitz | (not that many people assume he'll peacefully leave) | Apr 21 12:39 |
| zoobab | BTW do you have a list of people who are in the TeamUPC in the UKIPO? | Apr 21 12:39 |
| schestowitz | but I think I have enough to further destabilise him and his UPC 'buddies' | Apr 21 12:39 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: the preparatory committee | Apr 21 12:40 |
| schestowitz | That Ingve due wrote a paper about it | Apr 21 12:40 |
| schestowitz | the "expert teams" | Apr 21 12:40 |
| zoobab | did | Apr 21 12:40 |
| schestowitz | it sheds light into who pulls some of the wtrings | Apr 21 12:40 |
| schestowitz | CIPA also | Apr 21 12:40 |
| schestowitz | worth exploring who's doing what | Apr 21 12:41 |
| schestowitz | lots of overlap there | Apr 21 12:41 |
| schestowitz | personnel-wise | Apr 21 12:41 |
| schestowitz | like EPO Admin. Council being just NPOs | Apr 21 12:41 |
| zoobab | lots of patent attorneys excited | Apr 21 12:41 |
| schestowitz | and the NPOs don't represent nations | Apr 21 12:41 |
| schestowitz | they represent NPOs | Apr 21 12:41 |
| schestowitz | which have their own selfish interests | Apr 21 12:41 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: some of them are not shy to promote the UPC | Apr 21 12:42 |
| schestowitz | they know it gets them backlash | Apr 21 12:42 |
| schestowitz | IAM doesn't even write any articles about UPC and EPO anymore | Apr 21 12:42 |
| schestowitz | knowing it would trigger protests from EPO staff etc. | Apr 21 12:42 |
| zoobab | neither ipkat :-) | Apr 21 12:42 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Apr 21 12:42 |
| schestowitz | IP Kat is a basketcase | Apr 21 12:42 |
| zoobab | I was on a panel with ipkat guy | Apr 21 12:42 |
| zoobab | some patent lawyer | Apr 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to some people from there, they too know there's a problem with IP Kat | Apr 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: which one? | Apr 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | male or female? | Apr 21 12:43 |
| zoobab | male | Apr 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Smyth? | Apr 21 12:43 |
| zoobab | let me find his name | Apr 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Darren? | Apr 21 12:43 |
| schestowitz | either way, that blog loses whatever karma it had as a "kat" | Apr 21 12:44 |
| schestowitz | each time it posts things that help Battistelli's objective (which happens a lot this year) | Apr 21 12:44 |
| schestowitz | EPO workers treat it as a nuisance blog | Apr 21 12:44 |
| schestowitz | they know UPC is about replacing BOA and then them (examiners) too | Apr 21 12:45 |
| zoobab | http://www.ipalchemist.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/IMG_0567.jpg | Apr 21 12:45 |
| schestowitz | So at least we've incited them too against the UPC | Apr 21 12:45 |
| zoobab | the Darren Smyth | Apr 21 12:45 |
| schestowitz | (and they should be, they were misinformed in the past) | Apr 21 12:45 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Apr 21 12:45 |
| schestowitz | he's a UPC booster | Apr 21 12:45 |
| schestowitz | unapologetic about it | Apr 21 12:45 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, he's a chemist | Apr 21 12:45 |
| schestowitz | now pat attorney | Apr 21 12:46 |
| schestowitz | chemist = big pharma | Apr 21 12:46 |
| zoobab | that's from him that I got the 7th March deadline | Apr 21 12:46 |
| schestowitz | they luuuurve UPC | Apr 21 12:46 |
| schestowitz | be nice to him, he's not the worst | Apr 21 12:46 |
| zoobab | basically the conference made my blood boil again | Apr 21 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Bristows are the worst, at least in the UK, and some people agree with me (based on E-mails) | Apr 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | in Germany it's Tillmann etc. | Apr 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: don't go there | Apr 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | these are not conferences | Apr 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | they're reality distortion field | Apr 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | they lobby those who attend | Apr 21 12:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855460208600133633 | Apr 21 12:47 |
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| zoobab | I had Tillman on my right, Smyth on my left | Apr 21 12:47 |
| schestowitz | hahaha | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855463028971655168 | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | X-ES spins Enterprise Linux BSP for its x86 boards | Apr 21 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | stuffed panel | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855463053055279104 | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Companies That Support Linux and Open Source: Doky | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Y9MkDOpq68 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 21 12:48 |
| schestowitz | where were the other engineers? | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/hNOpUzOj4D | Apr 21 12:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Companies That Support Linux and Open Source: Doky | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: The Companies That Support Linux and Open Source: Doky https://t.co/Y9MkDOpq68 https://t.co/hNOpUzOj4D | Apr 21 12:48 | |
| zoobab | Tillman only speech was how to get the UK to sign | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855463064447008768 | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Getting to Know GNOME (From a Unity Perspective) | Apr 21 12:48 |
| zoobab | nothing else | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/uOqvGpbOqX (www.tuxmachines.org) | Apr 21 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Where was Tim DRM B-L/ | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/tUDBx13zZ6 | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apr 21 12:48 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Getting to Know GNOME (From a Unity Perspective) https://t.co/uOqvGpbOqX https://t.co/tUDBx13zZ6 | Apr 21 12:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855463066879655936 | Apr 21 12:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.10.12 https://t.co/plBJMzyyws | Apr 21 12:48 |
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| zoobab | maybe we should make a crowdfunding campaign to buy back W3C out of corporate influence | Apr 21 12:48 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: don't let your blood boil | Apr 21 12:48 |
| zoobab | just for the fun | Apr 21 12:49 |
| schestowitz | you'd get a flu or something | Apr 21 12:49 |
| schestowitz | they try to fool everyone | Apr 21 12:49 |
| schestowitz | they are doing poker face | Apr 21 12:49 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: you know W3C's CEO is Jeff Jaffe, right? | Apr 21 12:49 |
| schestowitz | I did some articles about his swpats promotion at Novell | Apr 21 12:49 |
| schestowitz | and I also complained about him several time when he became the confidant of Tim B-L | Apr 21 12:50 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer's mate | Apr 21 12:50 |
| zoobab | yeah W3C is full of those large corps guys | Apr 21 12:50 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Darren is not much of an enemy, in my view... | Apr 21 12:50 |
| schestowitz | Try to convince him to stop pushing the UPC agenda... | Apr 21 12:50 |
| zoobab | BTW his blog: | Apr 21 12:51 |
| zoobab | https://www.w3.org/blog/ceo/ | Apr 21 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.w3.org/blog/ceo/ ) | Apr 21 12:51 | |
| zoobab | is 404 not found :-) | Apr 21 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation for the Web :-) | Apr 21 12:51 |
| zoobab | https://www.w3.org/People/Jeff/ | Apr 21 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3.org | Dr. Jeffrey Jaffe, W3C CEO | Apr 21 12:51 | |
| zoobab | <- CEO Blog | Apr 21 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Around 2008 I did many articles about IBM, Apple and Microsoft being the top people in the WGs there | Apr 21 12:51 |
| schestowitz | They've long dominated the W3C | Apr 21 12:51 |
| schestowitz | recently came MPAA | Apr 21 12:51 |
| schestowitz | What kind of consortium has a "CEO" anyway? | Apr 21 12:52 |
| schestowitz | Imagine "CEO of Linux" | Apr 21 12:52 |
| zoobab | not much different from OOXML corruption | Apr 21 12:52 |
| schestowitz | They make it sounds like a corporation | Apr 21 |
