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MinceR(possibly old) http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/tsa-screener-confession-102912#.UuzGhPldVuSApr 16 14:01
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MinceRhttps://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644Apr 16 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tmpfiles: R! /dir/.* destroys root · Issue #5644 · systemd/systemd · GitHubApr 16 15:09
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DaemonFCI keep my Quicksilver card open because it has no foreign transaction fees and I like to shop Amazon Canada and Amazon UK for Blu Ray discs.Apr 16 16:10
DaemonFCIn an extreme example, there was a box set that I bought off Amazon Canada for $36 USD after the conversion, including shipping, that Best Buy sells for $97 + 10.25% sales tax here in Chicago. :PApr 16 16:11
DaemonFCDo people really pay these inflated prices? I wonder how many other people just buy the Canada/UK discs.Apr 16 16:12
DaemonFCI see some people getting on eBay and Amazon US and unloading the Canadian discs for $60 or so.Apr 16 16:13
DaemonFCThe whole point of Region coding was to stop this from happening. Yes?Apr 16 16:14
DaemonFCIf the studios can get $100 in the US market but only the equivalent of $30 US in Canada, obviously they want to stop the Canadian discs from flooding the US market.Apr 16 16:15
DaemonFCBut Blu Ray only has 3 region codes, so all of North America and some South Asian countries are all Region A.Apr 16 16:16
DaemonFCSeems they would have planned this better to avoid cheap discs flooding the US market and eating into their own sales.Apr 16 16:16
DaemonFCIn some cases, you can play the UK discs because they're Region Free. Apr 16 16:16
DaemonFCCollecting the US versions of the six seasons of Game of Thrones will set you back at least $150, but you can buy the UK version for $100 and they're just as good and play on your system.Apr 16 16:17
DaemonFCI suppose a lot of this is the result of the exchange rate fluctuating more than the studios had planned for because of Brexit. Apr 16 16:17
DaemonFC:PApr 16 16:17
DaemonFCThey pressed the discs with no Region B lock because it would have cost Americans more than it was worth to buy the discs and import them just 6-7 months ago.Apr 16 16:19
DaemonFCschestowitz, I suppose in some way the weak Pound helps you.Apr 16 16:24
DaemonFCSomewhere in an Amazon "fulfillment center", someone has a job picking and packing movies that are being imported into the US.Apr 16 16:24
DaemonFCWell, until Amazon figures out how to go full robot. They did buy an entire company to get their warehouse robot tech and they're testing it out in the US right now.Apr 16 16:25
DaemonFCEventually, even the shitty jobs disappear.Apr 16 16:25
MinceRhttps://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/5655Apr 16 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fix rm rf v2 by jsynacek · Pull Request #5655 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/qrjkf ]Apr 16 16:34
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TweetTuxMachines                 RadeonSI Polaris: Mesa 12.0 vs. 13.0 vs. 17.0 vs. 17.1Apr 16 16:45
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cubexyzUnited Airlines fixed the overbooking problem:Apr 16 18:30
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/mbhIcbz.jpgApr 16 20:19
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.qantas.com/travel/airlines/conditions-carriage/global/en  over booking is common.  10.3 qantas describes how it should be done.   They ask for people to volunteers not to travel before boarding and if not enough volunteer you will be blocked at the boarding gate.Apr 16 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Conditions of Carriage | QantasApr 16 20:20
oiaohmUnited Airlines has crappy procedures.Apr 16 20:20
MinceRindeedApr 16 20:20
MinceRthough it would be better of overbooking wasn't commonApr 16 20:21
MinceRalso, they could block you at checking inApr 16 20:21
MinceRif you do web checkin, you won't even have to go to the airport to find out if you can flyApr 16 20:21
oiaohmThe reality is shocking.  Qantas did try not overbooking until they found that on average 20 percent of people did not turn up to fly.Apr 16 20:23
oiaohmAnd did not inform the airline that they would not be flying.Apr 16 20:23
oiaohmIf we don't want overbooking we would need to make not informing airline that you are not flying jail offense.Apr 16 20:24
MinceR[citation needed]Apr 16 20:25
MinceRdid they or did they not pay for the ticket?Apr 16 20:25
oiaohmAll tickets had been paid for in advance.Apr 16 20:25
oiaohmSo Qantas was not out of money.  It was more a airtraffic issue.Apr 16 20:26
MinceRthen what's the problem?Apr 16 20:26
MinceRthey should be happy they're not carrying as much massApr 16 20:26
oiaohmthere are a few problems.Apr 16 20:26
MinceRyes, greed being all of themApr 16 20:27
oiaohmAirports only can handle so many aircraft.    Please note 20% was an adverage.  Some routes were flights less than 50 percent full.Apr 16 20:27
oiaohmYet the aircarft fully booked out.Apr 16 20:28
MinceRextra aircraft won't spawn because some passengers failed to turn upApr 16 20:29
oiaohmThen people complain about not being able to get flights yet the qantas could not put on more aircraft due to airport being at max load.Apr 16 20:29
oiaohmAt that point overbooking is kinda forced.Apr 16 20:29
MinceRpeople also complain about being violently thrown off the flight they bought a ticket forApr 16 20:29
MinceRbut i guess that's not a problemApr 16 20:29
oiaohmRemember qantas has never done that.Apr 16 20:29
oiaohmInstead stuck in lounge until next flight.Apr 16 20:30
oiaohmAlso when you fuel the aircraft you fuel it for expected load.   More than expected load means worst fuel burn rate per person being moved.Apr 16 20:31
oiaohmSo half loaded aircraft with a load of fuel for fully loaded is  bad for the environment.Apr 16 20:31
MinceRso if less passengers appear, fuel them lessApr 16 20:31
MinceRand it will still end up burning less fuel than if those passengers were on the planeApr 16 20:32
oiaohmMost airports are design to fuel aircraft before loading.Apr 16 20:32
oiaohmAnd that is a safety thing.Apr 16 20:32
oiaohmIf something goes wrong while the aircraft is being fueled and it goes up in flames you want the least number of people on board.Apr 16 20:33
oiaohmThe long security screening has helped at some airports to have people count before aircraft are fueled.Apr 16 20:34
MinceRthey seem to have plenty of timeApr 16 20:34
MinceRand there you have your solutionApr 16 20:34
oiaohmPassengers don't really like being kept waiting either.Apr 16 20:34
oiaohmqantas it not that easy most of the airports they use have short screening times.Apr 16 20:35
oiaohmMinceR: if overbooking is done it should be done to Qantas standard of being polite blocked before boarding and being on the next flight.  Worst with Qantas if there are too many private jet is used.   So worst delay is 24 hours.Apr 16 20:38
oiaohmThere are some airlines that do overbooking right.Apr 16 20:39
MinceRwhose private jet?Apr 16 20:40
MinceR17 023442 < oiaohm> Passengers don't really like being kept waiting either.Apr 16 20:40
MinceRso why are they?Apr 16 20:40
oiaohmQantas has a large fleet of different aircrafts including smaller jets they private charter.  Of course those private charter are private jet size and they can pull from that pool.  They carry like 20 passages.Apr 16 20:41
oiaohmQantas case over booking they have the backup aircraft to deal with it if it goes wrong.Apr 16 20:42
MinceRand if they didn't sell seats they didn't have, there would be nothing to deal withApr 16 20:49
MinceRbut greed overrides everythingApr 16 20:49
oiaohmIts not that simpleApr 16 20:50
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oiaohmhttp://www.jetstar.com/au/en/help/articles/when-to-get-to-the-airport-for-domestic-flights  Please not the second figure is when a late person get get added to the manfefest.Apr 16 20:50
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MinceRoh, i'm sureApr 16 20:50
oiaohmhow long do you think it takes to fuel a jet.Apr 16 20:50
MinceRwhen people are blinded by greed, there's no alternative to yielding to itApr 16 20:50
MinceRdo you think i care.Apr 16 20:50
oiaohmhttp://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=759425Apr 16 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Long Does It Take To Fuel An A380? - Airliners.net [ http://ur1.ca/qrkbt ]Apr 16 20:51
oiaohmThe answer is 40 minsApr 16 20:51
oiaohmThat is not moving the aircraft to terminal or anything else.Apr 16 20:51
oiaohmThat is stationary fueling it.Apr 16 20:51
MinceRthey made me wait longer between luggage check-in and boardingApr 16 20:52
MinceR(not Qantas)Apr 16 20:52
oiaohmI know that the security clear on the ground where they could reject you from flying happens in that time frame as well.Apr 16 20:53
MinceRindeedApr 16 20:53
oiaohmIf the numbers were know like 60 min before flying and you were not there by then the airlines could fuel for load.Apr 16 20:54
oiaohmthere would be no need for overbooking for flight effectness.Apr 16 20:54
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oiaohmMinceR: so between 20 to 30 min longer boarding time is required to remove the overbooking need.Apr 16 20:56
oiaohmMinceR: then the airport has to have the space to hold those people.Apr 16 20:56
MinceRlast time i checked airports occupied massive amounts of land, of which the terminal was a tiny fractionApr 16 20:57
oiaohmEven that airports land is massive the terminal size is quite restricted to allow for when things go wrong with aircraft.Apr 16 20:57
oiaohmSome airports could expand terminal others can not.Apr 16 20:58
oiaohmSome airports overbooking is the correct answer.  But it has to be overbooking managed correctly.  Not stupid like united.Apr 16 21:00
MinceRwell, it's great that the airports' issues are solvedApr 16 21:01
MinceRi'm looking forward to the day when the passengers' problems will be solved as wellApr 16 21:01
MinceRoh wait, nobody cares about themApr 16 21:01
MinceRyet another failure for the market economyApr 16 21:01
oiaohmWithout overbooking some of passengers with some the airports would not be getting flights at all.Apr 16 21:02
oiaohmSo overbooking deals with airport problem and gets the most passengers from point a to point b on the same number of aircraft.Apr 16 21:03
oiaohmEverything is a trade off.Apr 16 21:03
MinceRyes, and somehow it's always the little guys who get shaftedApr 16 21:03
MinceRthe people who want to live in london get fucked by the investorsApr 16 21:04
oiaohmFunny part is the most over booked seats in qanta is first class.Apr 16 21:04
MinceRIT professionals get fucked by the crApple-types peddling shiny shit to moronsApr 16 21:04
oiaohmSo its the big guys who get shafted.Apr 16 21:04
MinceRand travelers get fucked so airports and airlines can operate comfortablyApr 16 21:04
MinceRno, the big guys have their own planesApr 16 21:05
oiaohmQuatas upgrades seats not downgrades them.Apr 16 21:05
oiaohmSo third class has better olds of flying than first.Apr 16 21:05
oiaohmOf course lot of the other airlines are the other way.Apr 16 21:06
oiaohmMinceR: big guys have there own plane or the means to higher their own plane means shafting them can end up costing Qantas less.Apr 16 21:07
oiaohmMinceR: so well designed  over booking should be shaft the big guy.Apr 16 21:07
oiaohmMinceR: it funny how greed at times works out.Apr 16 21:09
MinceRthis is not one of those timesApr 16 21:11
oiaohmMinceR: Yes Qantas style overbooking is ok.  United they need the be hall over the coals.Apr 16 21:30
MinceRok with youApr 16 21:31
oiaohmMinceR: I am not anti overbooking being used.  But I am anti overbooking being used with required safe guards.Apr 16 21:31
oiaohmLike if everyone does turn up Qantas does have the resources to deal with it.Apr 16 21:31
oiaohmSome airlines will refund your ticket and other stupidity.Apr 16 21:32
oiaohmYes the hey we have overbooked and we cannot fly you at all is totally not on.Apr 16 21:32
oiaohmPlease do remember flights can be delayed due to weather and other things as well.   qantas over booking is inside what you could be on the recieving end from nature effects.Apr 16 21:34
cubexyzthey shouldn't overbook Apr 16 21:55
cubexyzI didn't even know that was a thing until recentlyApr 16 21:56
cubexyzyou pay for your ticket, you deserve your seatApr 16 21:57
MinceRhttps://c1.staticflickr.com/1/777/21264466361_96d1f65ae6.jpgApr 16 21:59
oiaohmcubexyz: overbook has been done for over 1000 years.  Started on boats.Apr 16 22:16
MinceRoh, that makes it all different, thenApr 16 22:17
MinceRslavery has been done for over 1000 years tooApr 16 22:17
MinceRbring out the whips and the manacles.Apr 16 22:17
oiaohmoverbooking on ships and aircraft done right is always you are blocked before on-board and ticket moved to next one.Apr 16 22:18
oiaohmReally due to how long it been done there is no real excuse of stuffing it up.Apr 16 22:18
MinceRam i supposed to be surprised that humans have been greedy for thousands of years?Apr 16 22:18
oiaohmAbout 1000 years is where we have confirmed documentation of it.Apr 16 22:19
oiaohmSuspected documentation is back 3000 years.Apr 16 22:19
oiaohmand before.Apr 16 22:20
oiaohmsome of the documentation around the china star fleets suggest it.Apr 16 22:20
MinceRstar fleets?!Apr 16 22:21
MinceRnow i find out china has had hyperdrives for thousands of years?Apr 16 22:21
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DaemonFCI find it's usually a few bucks cheaper to just let my bank take care of the conversion, but I don't have a foreign transaction fee on that card.Apr 16 22:22
DaemonFCAmazon offers to let you pay in your local currency because it benefits *them*.Apr 16 22:22
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oiaohmMinceR: star fleets are refering to exploring sea fleets following partituclar star patterns.Apr 16 22:23
MinceR:)Apr 16 22:24
oiaohmMinceR: some of the old titles for stuff miss read would give the idea that space travel is possible because it written like travel from x star to y star when that is really giving a navigation guide sea ship.Apr 16 22:27
oiaohmMinceR: first sail base shipping is 2000BC.  First suspected records over over booking are around 1000BC.   Of course other records could exist somewhere.Apr 16 22:31
oiaohmMinceR: overbooking might be something humans have done the complete time we have had sail based shipping.Apr 16 22:31
oiaohmMinceR: unitied screw up if it something that has been done for 4000years makes the screw equal of someone making a square wheel and insisting that is round.Apr 16 22:35
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cubexyzoiaohm, if linux is using two ISPs do you know how to get apt-get to use the faster one of the two?Apr 17 00:59
cubexyzand oddly nmap doesn't see the chromebook on the wifi lanApr 17 01:03
cubexyzI'm using one computer as a bridgeApr 17 01:04
cubexyzone computer has wired and wifi (from two different ISPs)Apr 17 01:05
cubexyzand I don't even know what's up with the wifi lan as yetApr 17 01:07
cubexyzthere's this arris client login Apr 17 01:08
cubexyzand there's something on 192.168.2.12Apr 17 01:09
cubexyznmap says it's running http-proxyApr 17 01:10
cubexyzI wonder why nmap doesn't see the chromebookApr 17 01:11
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cubexyzthere's a cheap TP-link router that does load balancing, that might be simplerApr 17 01:16
cubexyzTL-R480T+Apr 17 01:16
cubexyzcan do up to 4 WAN connectionsApr 17 01:16
cubexyzand the older TL-470T+Apr 17 01:18
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cubexyzI need a wrapper of some sort to tell programs to use _this_ ISPApr 17 01:19
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cubexyzI'm using LD_PRELOAD to bind to a specific ip addressApr 17 01:42
cubexyzguess I'll check the logs and see what happenedApr 17 01:42
cubexyzso:Apr 17 01:43
cubexyzBIND_ADDR="192.168.2.17" LD_PRELOAD=./bind.so sudo apt-get install rtorrentApr 17 01:43
cubexyz"/var/log/apt/history.log" doesn't give that info Apr 17 01:45
oiaohmcubexyz: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Multi_ISP  this gives a few options.   Other thing is a network namespace.Apr 17 01:45
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cubexyzmetric value?Apr 17 01:46
cubexyzthat's a new oneApr 17 01:46
oiaohmcubexyz: http://blogs.igalia.com/dpino/2016/04/10/network-namespaces/Apr 17 01:46
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oiaohmYou could in theory but each ISP in it own network namespace and want ever application is in what namespace will use that network connection.Apr 17 01:47
oiaohmcubexyz: I use network namespace for not spliting ISPs but for cutting applications off from internet access.Apr 17 01:47
cubexyzI got two ISPsApr 17 01:49
cubexyzI just want to get able to say to the program... use THIS oneApr 17 01:49
cubexyzwget has something called --bind-address which works fineApr 17 01:49
cubexyzbut other programs don't necessarily have thatApr 17 01:50
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oiaohmcubexyz: run application in a networks namespace.  "ip netns exec myspace <command>"  myspace would be the set up namespace.Apr 17 01:52
oiaohmcubexyz: part of the ip command.Apr 17 01:52
oiaohmcubexyz: so as long as you have namespaces set up for your ISP telling applications to run in X or Y namespaces is not hard.Apr 17 01:52
cubexyzummmApr 17 01:53
cubexyzI don't see how to bind the namespace to the ISPApr 17 01:54
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cubexyzit looks complicated :-/Apr 17 01:55
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cubexyzinteresting idea thoughApr 17 01:56
oiaohmcubexyz: it does not depend on application having any special features.Apr 17 01:56
oiaohmcubexyz: instead has the kernel apply it.Apr 17 01:56
oiaohmload balancing between multi ISPs https://debian-administration.org/article/379/Policy_routing  comes under Policy routing and the many different ways of doing that.Apr 17 01:57
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cubexyzdon't want load balancingApr 17 01:58
cubexyzjust want some stuff on ISP #1Apr 17 01:58
cubexyzand other stuff on ISP #2Apr 17 01:58
cubexyzok, I got an ideaApr 17 01:59
cubexyzI'll look at ifconfig's outputApr 17 01:59
cubexyzif my bind idea works, then the RX bytes should go up on the wifi deviceApr 17 02:00
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cubexyz"The gateway with the lowest metric will win."Apr 17 02:18
cubexyzokApr 17 02:18
cubexyzso the wired ISP connection is metric 100 and the wifi ISP connection is metric 600Apr 17 02:19
cubexyzthus the default is the wired ISP connectionApr 17 02:19
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cubexyzoiaohm, this is how I set it up:Apr 17 02:23
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-using-two-isps.txtApr 17 02:23
cubexyzso far really only wget works the way I wantApr 17 02:24
cubexyzip route show table local <--- shows some infoApr 17 02:30
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cubexyzI just love it when you think you understand something then you realize it's 1000 times more complicatedApr 17 02:59
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gde33awesome stuff https://youtu.be/70WorEgphZU?t=3815Apr 17 07:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MÉLENCHON ON THE FRONTIERS OF HUMANITY (LIVE HOLOGRAM RALLY) - YouTubeApr 17 07:31
gde33may have to play with googles awkward sub translation menu a bitApr 17 07:31
oiaohmgde33: could save a fortune in fuel for elections.Apr 17 07:41
gde33oiaohm: you mean the hologram?Apr 17 07:41
oiaohmYepApr 17 07:41
gde33oiaohm: yeah, it looks quite decentApr 17 07:41
gde33I'm more impressed by the word and information density of Jean-LucApr 17 07:42
oiaohmIt was first used for a japanisze group that the lead signers are all digital.Apr 17 07:42
oiaohmI mean full digial.  Voice and appearance.Apr 17 07:42
gde33did you see the entire <s>speech</s> lecture already?Apr 17 07:43
gde33My mind is blown that anyone would be more informed than I am about all of the things he talks about :PApr 17 07:44
oiaohmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEaBqiLeCu0  gde33 Hatsune MikuApr 17 07:45
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gde33you suggest it is still to new to be used, it distracts you from the contentApr 17 07:45
gde33lolApr 17 07:45
gde33amoung other things he points out that they have 5 years at most to stop international treaties that will make it illegal for governments to stand up for themselvesApr 17 07:46
oiaohmHatsune Miku the band is real the singer is completely computer generated.Apr 17 07:46
gde33who cares man pfftApr 17 07:47
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oiaohmReally I wonder with holigrams being used for elections how long until the politition is 100 percent fake.Apr 17 07:47
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gde33we are displacing millions of people with our bombardments, are actively destroying all remnants of democracy, have mock referendums where NO becomes YES.Apr 17 07:48
gde33hardly the time to talk about disco musicApr 17 07:48
gde33but ok, we already have 100% fake polticians.Apr 17 07:48
gde33they make clones then copy brain paterns into the cloneApr 17 07:49
oiaohmgde33: they still have flesh and bone.  When I say 100% fake don't in fact exist physically.Apr 17 07:49
gde33it works for a while, then the clones decayApr 17 07:49
gde33on video you can already replicate a realistic speech or interview with just a few pictures and 20 min of voice Apr 17 07:50
gde33it doesn't make any difference if our politicans are mere puppetsApr 17 07:51
gde33this guy worked for 8 months with thousands of people to put together a programApr 17 07:51
gde33they wrote a small book abstracting all the informationApr 17 07:51
gde33he openly mocks all the liesApr 17 07:52
gde33we can only hope he wins the french electionsApr 17 07:52
gde33then with 18% of the GDP of the EU he will bring the fight to them.Apr 17 07:53
gde33after that the rest of the worldApr 17 07:53
gde33they planned it all in great detail :)Apr 17 07:53
gde33free education with an income because skilled people are needed for the future economyApr 17 07:54
gde33no more tax evading multinationalsApr 17 07:54
gde33no more rollback of labor laws aka uberizationApr 17 07:54
gde33he is an endless river of good ideasApr 17 07:54
gde33we see him quote chavez and have varoufakis in his audience :PApr 17 07:56
gde33no more microsoft in government, everything must be open sourceApr 17 07:56
gde33kids must learn to write software as it is the new languageApr 17 07:57
gde33and other radical shit like: france needs 60 000 new professorsApr 17 07:58
gde33in stead of piles of student debt the new professors will have to teach in university for 10 yearsApr 17 07:58
oiaohmReally lot of change is required to get out of techical debt problem.Apr 17 08:00
gde33oiaohm: what is the technical debt problem?Apr 17 08:01
oiaohmYou have a lot of people setting up businesses in the cloud with no IT security knowledge or law background these are major technical knowledge debt.  It going to come back and bite at some point.Apr 17 08:02
gde33ah yes, I just looked it up.Apr 17 08:03
gde33"a concept in programming that reflects the extra development work that arises when code that is easy to implement in the short run is used instead of applying the best overall solution"Apr 17 08:03
gde33I'm an exelent front end javascript developer. There are no jobs of that kind.Apr 17 08:03
oiaohmYep that is like if you compare sel4 to everything else.Apr 17 08:03
oiaohmsel4 is technically mathematically secure.Apr 17 08:04
gde33They all want you to use some either crap outdated libraries or new ones that are potentially worseApr 17 08:04
oiaohmhttps://sel4.systems/Apr 17 08:04
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gde33I'm there already, dont worry ;)Apr 17 08:04
oiaohmsel4 if you don't know is a demostration in the most secure development process you can use.Apr 17 08:04
oiaohmSo you compare that to everything else and everything else looks horrible.Apr 17 08:05
gde33I already had that impressionApr 17 08:05
gde33As early as the late 80's I argued that a computer should be made up of heavily isolated processors each with their own memory and their own diskApr 17 08:06
gde33fast communication between processes is not worth the riskApr 17 08:06
gde33virtual memory is a hoax :PApr 17 08:06
oiaohmsel4 does contain virtual memory.Apr 17 08:07
oiaohmBut design is heavily audited.Apr 17 08:07
gde33I was basically arguing for single purpose computersApr 17 08:07
gde33a sub-system to run irc wouldn't have to cost 5 euro and the client can be mostly made in hardwareApr 17 08:08
oiaohmI know the idea of single purpose computers was considered by Australian mil CSIRO started work on sel4 because of the power usage problem.Apr 17 08:08
gde33heavily audited sounds much better than what we have which is ummm shooting from the hip?Apr 17 08:08
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schestowitz"SystemD is worthless and Poettering is a retard."Apr 17 08:09
schestowitzhttps://mastodon.social/users/rysiek/updates/1902720Apr 17 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | MastodonApr 17 08:09
schestowitz" awww, Lennart can't handle criticism of his own uninformed remarks: "poettering locked and limited conversation to collaborators 3 hours ago""Apr 17 08:09
oiaohmgde33: Shooting from the hip suggests a person has a pants and gun.  Apr 17 08:10
oiaohmgde33: you would say current development is like trying to catch a greesed pig on a shed that is greesed and wondering why you are having problems in most cases.Apr 17 08:10
gde33then when you ask why a problem exists everyone starts acting weird.Apr 17 08:11
gde33we've always managed the pigs like this???Apr 17 08:11
oiaohmgde33: exactly.Apr 17 08:12
gde33I was just pondering a totally secure messaging system. Imagine this: A battery powered computer without a network connection with one or more multi TB hardrives containing a enormous lookup table.Apr 17 08:12
oiaohmLike it basic thing missing like how many projects don't have a proper test suite.Apr 17 08:12
oiaohmThat is run regularly to make sure when they fix a fault it never comes back.Apr 17 08:12
gde33then you type your message, each character is matched with one in the table and replaced by its address.Apr 17 08:12
gde33then you put the addresses on an usb stick and send it to the other personApr 17 08:13
gde33who loads it onto an usb stick again Apr 17 08:13
gde33then decodes it on the systemApr 17 08:13
oiaohmusb stick has a microcontroller most can pretend to be a keyboard if hacked.Apr 17 08:13
gde33Maybe a dvd is better, more of a dead mediumApr 17 08:13
oiaohmLot of fun you can have with a rogue USB stick.Apr 17 08:14
gde33it has to have a bunch of buffering mechanisms that accept and forward a messageApr 17 08:14
gde33say 100 of thoseApr 17 08:14
gde33all implemented in hardwareApr 17 08:14
gde33leaving only a dead message Apr 17 08:14
oiaohmSecure does not require dead sel4 team audits particular chips right down and into the silicon level.Apr 17 08:15
oiaohmBut that end up with only 1 or 2 cpu out of all the cpu out there that pass.Apr 17 08:15
oiaohmIts like the right to repair problem.  We have stopped demarding total details of the devices we use.Apr 17 08:17
gde33o god yesApr 17 08:17
oiaohmJohn deer trackers costing farmers money by electronically breaking down is a good one.Apr 17 08:17
gde33that is probably the best exampleApr 17 08:17
oiaohmthis could also damage our food production in a bad way.Apr 17 08:18
gde33farmers here already got rid of the technical staffApr 17 08:18
oiaohmYep so a technical black hole of people who know nothing.Apr 17 08:18
gde33maybe it is a good way to end the deere monopolyApr 17 08:18
oiaohmWho then go and buy something that cannot be fixed.Apr 17 08:19
oiaohmThat they critically depend on.Apr 17 08:19
oiaohmLCA one over a pacemaker in a IT person who attends defcon events.   Now that is a nightmare and a half.Apr 17 08:20
gde33everything here is split up into seperate industries to the byzre level. One owns the land, the next hires a company to plant crops,Apr 17 08:20
oiaohmHow many of the pacemakers these days that are bluetooth or wifi.Apr 17 08:20
gde33then he hires ones to maintain the cropsApr 17 08:20
gde33then he hires ones to harvest themApr 17 08:20
gde33then they go in trucks owned by a differnt companyApr 17 08:20
oiaohmNow a bluetooth or wifi pacemaker at a defcon would be a death wish.Apr 17 08:20
gde33who only bring it to the auctionApr 17 08:20
gde33the most worrying part is how easy the general public can be forced to talk about any number of bullshit topicsApr 17 08:22
oiaohmEven that they are split up that way.  We have that splitting happen here in Australia at places but that still does not explain techical debt.Apr 17 08:22
oiaohmFoolish cost cutting.Apr 17 08:22
oiaohmMachines that cannot be field repaired get really expensive really quick.Apr 17 08:22
gde33yeah, these companies here only drive brand new tractorsApr 17 08:23
gde333 maybe 4 years then its time for a new oneApr 17 08:23
gde33when the "old" still has most of its valueApr 17 08:24
gde33simply to avoid these weird repair structuresApr 17 08:24
oiaohmProblem here is trackers have not been lasting 12 months without needing repair.Apr 17 08:24
gde33wowApr 17 08:24
oiaohmjohn dear has intergrated so much into a tractor core systems is insane.Apr 17 08:25
gde33like with cars some people around the globe converted tractors to electricApr 17 08:25
gde33they say its absolutely fabulousApr 17 08:25
gde33in stead of spending the day in engine noise one can hear the birdsApr 17 08:25
oiaohmLike gps nav being connected to the engine management system.Apr 17 08:25
oiaohmto save on chip costs.Apr 17 08:26
gde333d printing will eventually destroy all these monopoliesApr 17 08:26
gde33as soon as the technical drawins are in the public domain one can order any partApr 17 08:26
gde33you know #opensourceecology ?Apr 17 08:27
gde33they are building an open source tractorApr 17 08:27
oiaohm3d printing will not solve everything.   There are just some things were molding processes production the best results.Apr 17 08:27
gde33evolving the designApr 17 08:27
gde333d printing will require radically different designsApr 17 08:27
oiaohmI have seen the open source tractor.Apr 17 08:28
gde33there is a company making a kind of carbon fiber lego kitApr 17 08:28
gde33you only print the jointsApr 17 08:28
oiaohmThe biggest issue for all this 3d printed stuff is Work Health and Safety (OHS)Apr 17 08:30
oiaohmgde33: one thing is to make stuff.  Its another problem to certify it as safe to use.Apr 17 08:32
oiaohmgde33: so 3d printing is less than half the problem.Apr 17 08:32
gde33from what I understood the strength of the lego kit was much easier to calculateApr 17 08:33
gde33by mass producing fixed size rods with pin joints they could deliver quality carbon fiber for very low pricesApr 17 08:33
gde33trying to find a link Apr 17 08:34
gde33https://youtu.be/O9odhgH24oAApr 17 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-First 3D Printed Supercar - A New Way To Build Cars - YouTubeApr 17 08:36
oiaohmhttps://www.extremetech.com/extreme/164221-mit-develops-carbon-fiber-lego-bricks-that-can-be-fashioned-into-airplanes-rockets-bridges  This was the one I was thinking of.Apr 17 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MIT's carbon fiber 'Lego bricks' can be fashioned into airplanes, rockets, bridges - ExtremeTechApr 17 08:36
gde33oh it actually comes out of localmotorsApr 17 08:41
gde33http://www.divergent3d.comApr 17 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.divergent3d.com | Divergent - Green Automotive ManufacturingApr 17 08:43
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/4L3m3u9.jpgApr 17 08:44
XRevan86MinceR: Anarcho-capitalists?Apr 17 08:50
MinceRyesApr 17 08:51
MinceRthough the capitalist part isn't really important in this caseApr 17 08:51
XRevan86MinceR: It if it's, then why's it's not the anarchist flag?Apr 17 08:52
XRevan86If it is*Apr 17 08:52
MinceRdue to the preferences of the authorApr 17 08:54
*XRevan86 puts the equality mark between anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism.Apr 17 08:54
MinceRthough apparently some alleged 'anarcho-capitalist' 'libertarians' i know are actually christian fundamentalist cryptofascistsApr 17 08:54
MinceRi guess there go another 2 terms that have lost their meaningsApr 17 08:55
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe all they want is to get the government out of their fundamentalist way :).Apr 17 08:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853950877228568577Apr 17 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 The five best Linux distrosApr 17 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/4vX8jLgAxJ (www.pcadvisor.co.uk)Apr 17 08:56
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcadvisor.co.uk | The Five Best Linux Distros to Use - PC AdvisorApr 17 08:56
MinceRi think they just realized it's more socially acceptable to not advertise their regressive waysApr 17 08:56
MinceRthe way things are going, they'll come out in a decade or twoApr 17 08:56
XRevan86Anyway, I'm more of a GPL person than BSDL.Apr 17 08:59
XRevan86Protect the most freedoms of the user by restricting some freedoms that lead to malicious actions against all freedoms.Apr 17 09:01
XRevan86- I defend individual rights. - Can I create a monopoly and charge everybody extra? - It's your right.Apr 17 09:02
XRevan86Anti-monopoly committees reduce people's freedoms in the same way GPL reduces freedoms, hence the parallel.Apr 17 09:05
MinceRif only they worked.Apr 17 09:05
MinceRbut at least the GPLv3 might still be effective against patent treacheryApr 17 09:06
XRevan86MinceR: That's all up to the implementation.Apr 17 09:06
XRevan86Same applies to GPLv2 and it used to work, but now it kind of doesn't.Apr 17 09:06
MinceRthere are limits to what copyright (and patent) law can do for youApr 17 09:07
MinceRthis is something the people at the Gratis Windows Foundation seem to have forgottenApr 17 09:07
XRevan86ReactOS has a foundation now?Apr 17 09:08
MinceRno, there was a foundation that used to be about free softwareApr 17 09:08
MinceRthen they started supporting lendows insteadApr 17 09:09
XRevan86MinceR: When RMS said he doesn't particularily care?Apr 17 09:10
MinceRhe said it's "free" and "ethical"Apr 17 09:10
MinceRalso, the point of the foundation used to be to particularly careApr 17 09:10
MinceRbut i guess red hat's donations are more important than freedomApr 17 09:11
MinceRhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9nRaFRXgAE3bPN.jpg:largeApr 17 09:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853955239128387587Apr 17 09:29
TweetTuxMachines                 The five best Linux distros https://t.co/pFuH0iXCpqApr 17 09:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/jL6vspoeJXApr 17 09:29
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The five best Linux distros | Tux MachinesApr 17 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: The five best Linux distros https://t.co/pFuH0iXCpq https://t.co/jL6vspoeJXApr 17 09:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853963527488327680Apr 17 09:48
TweetTuxMachines                 In Defence of Dmitry Bogatov https://t.co/vc6mlrDaNAApr 17 09:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 09:48
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 09:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In Defence of Dmitry Bogatov | Tux MachinesApr 17 09:48
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/GsTHWA9.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/XLBUE )Apr 17 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Oh, just Lego making paper aeroplanes.Apr 17 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Paper Aeroplane making Lego robot - Album on ImgurApr 17 10:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853973915550527489Apr 17 10:17
TweetTuxMachines                 [Video] No Ubuntu Unity, No Linux Phones?Apr 17 10:17
TweetTuxMachines                 #Geekoutdoors.com EP368Apr 17 10:17
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/gc1EHbaaMI (www.youtube.com)Apr 17 10:17
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 10:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No Ubuntu Unity, No Linux Phones? #Geekoutdoors.com EP368 - YouTubeApr 17 10:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853975580135612416Apr 17 10:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Calligra 3.0.1 update released https://t.co/0VKHoBBhfIApr 17 10:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.calligra.org)Apr 17 10:34
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 10:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.calligra.org | Calligra 3.0.1 update released | Calligra SuiteApr 17 10:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853980007680454657Apr 17 10:34
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/QRy8pooYUgApr 17 10:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 10:34
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 10:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesApr 17 10:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853980014500392960Apr 17 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Enjade Wants to Recreate the Unity Desktop on KDE PlasmaApr 17 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NEbxyUVa5Z (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/0jY8pAiZj4Apr 17 10:40
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Enjade Wants to Recreate the Unity Desktop on KDE Plasma | Tux MachinesApr 17 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Enjade Wants to Recreate the Unity Desktop on KDE Plasma https://t.co/NEbxyUVa5Z https://t.co/0jY8pAiZj4Apr 17 10:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853981371278266370Apr 17 10:45
TweetTuxMachines                 mesa 17.0.4 released https://t.co/j85EGvVV1uApr 17 10:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (lists.freedesktop.org)Apr 17 10:45
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [Mesa-dev] [ANNOUNCE] mesa 17.0.4Apr 17 10:45
XRevan86https://s17.postimg.org/4uwfplusf/image.png (src: http://bash.im/comics/20170417)Apr 17 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bash.im | ??? ? 17 ??? 2017 ? ???? #444225 ? ???? ???Apr 17 10:47
MinceR:)Apr 17 10:47
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/vOanXdi.gifvApr 17 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Shredding a bunch of Backup TapeApr 17 10:50
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MinceRhttps://444.hu/2017/04/17/data-protection-agency-investigates-govt-sending-personal-data-of-hungarian-citizens-to-russiaApr 17 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-444.hu | Data protection agency investigates gov't sending personal data of Hungarian citizens to Russia - 444Apr 17 10:58
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schestowitzMinceR:  satire site?Apr 17 11:02
schestowitzdate?Apr 17 11:02
schestowitz(just checking)Apr 17 11:02
MinceRunfortunately it isn't satireApr 17 11:02
schestowitznew?Apr 17 11:02
MinceRit's one of the 2 news sites the fascists love to attackApr 17 11:03
MinceRso they must be on to somethingApr 17 11:03
MinceRit has today's date, yesApr 17 11:03
schestowitzokApr 17 11:04
schestowitzmaybe I need JSApr 17 11:04
schestowitzto see datesApr 17 11:04
schestowitzsome sites work this idioticallyApr 17 11:04
schestowitzMotherboard for example, IIRCApr 17 11:04
XRevan86> On Saturday, April 8th, using publicly available online tools, 444.hu  recorded the Hungarian government’s National Consultation website  forwarding a dummy email address (created for testing purposes) to an IP  address registered to Yandex in Moscow.Apr 17 11:04
XRevan86Oh noes!Apr 17 11:04
*XRevan86 can't read this seriously.Apr 17 11:04
MinceRit's in the urlApr 17 11:05
XRevan86What exactly did happen? The article is so full of fluff I hardly find anything to-the-point.Apr 17 11:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853982636406190081Apr 17 11:07
TweetTuxMachines                 All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter worth someApr 17 11:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux gamer attention https://t.co/hsioQrKYi2Apr 17 11:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com) "promised same-day LinuxApr 17 11:07
TweetTuxMachines                 support!"Apr 17 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter worth some Linux gamer attention | GamingOnLinuxApr 17 11:07
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 11:07
*TweetTuxMachines @inbetweengames favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...'Apr 17 11:07
*TweetTuxMachines @inbetweengames retweeted @tuxmachines: 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...'Apr 17 11:07
*TweetTuxMachines @AHowesy favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...'Apr 17 11:07
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/QxdqvT5.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/QxdqvT5 )Apr 17 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | When you browse Imgur on you phone at night and you accidentally click on an ad.Apr 17 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When you browse Imgur on you phone at night and you accidentally click on an ad. - GIF on ImgurApr 17 11:07
*TweetTuxMachines @morinoshimaka favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...'Apr 17 11:08
MinceRXRevan86: a while ago fidesz started this "national consultation" bullshit, implying that it's a replacement for referenda, which it isn'tApr 17 11:08
schestowitzlike ErdoganApr 17 11:08
MinceRalways filled with extreme demagoguery both in questions and options for answersApr 17 11:08
MinceRthis of course costs taxpayers a lotApr 17 11:08
schestowitzwho controls everything inc. media, like OrbanApr 17 11:08
schestowitzWho make certification for media/blogs neededApr 17 11:09
MinceRa possible function of this is to keep a list of fidesz supporters with names, addressesApr 17 11:09
MinceRat some point they made a web-based version of itApr 17 11:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853988447840632833Apr 17 11:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Graphics in Linux: Mesa 17.0.4 and MoreApr 17 11:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/n5x09h1iU6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 11:09
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics in Linux: Mesa 17.0.4 and More | Tux MachinesApr 17 11:09
*TweetTuxMachines @Eyesiah favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...'Apr 17 11:09
MinceRwhich apparently not only uses Yandex Metrika (provided by people owned by orban's buddy putin), but also enables "webvisor"Apr 17 11:10
MinceRwhich sends all keystrokes to Yandex, including everything typed into fields not marked as protectedApr 17 11:10
MinceRnaturally, the fields for personal information (such as name, address) were not marked as protectedApr 17 11:10
XRevan86MinceR: Fidesz is the leading party?Apr 17 11:10
MinceRyesApr 17 11:10
MinceRit's the state partyApr 17 11:10
*TweetTuxMachines @Eyesiah retweeted @tuxmachines: 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...'Apr 17 11:10
schestowitzI always think of Fidel Castro when I hear its nameApr 17 11:10
XRevan86MinceR: United Hungary, got it.Apr 17 11:11
MinceRit also has a tumor on it called kdnp, but it's meaningless aside from a bit of advertisement and legal trickeryApr 17 11:11
MinceRthe Hungarian National Socialist Worker's Party :>Apr 17 11:11
schestowitzOr(Muslim)BanApr 17 11:11
schestowitzwait, what?Apr 17 11:11
schestowitzNot a real expansion, right?Apr 17 11:11
MinceRwhat do you mean?Apr 17 11:11
schestowitznational sociialistApr 17 11:12
MinceRnot officialApr 17 11:12
schestowitzah :-)Apr 17 11:12
MinceRjust a reference to the commie state partyApr 17 11:12
schestowitzwhat does that make Jobbik?Apr 17 11:12
schestowitzJobless?Apr 17 11:12
MinceRwhich ended up being called 'mszmp', hungarian socialist worker's partyApr 17 11:12
MinceRjobbik is the faithful supporter from outside the governmentApr 17 11:12
XRevan86MinceR: Using third-party services like that on sensitive data related pages is a very stupid decision.Apr 17 11:12
MinceRand miep is practically deadApr 17 11:12
MinceRXRevan86: yes it isApr 17 11:13
MinceRXRevan86: especially using one close to the khuiloApr 17 11:13
schestowitzMaybe they're like UKIP to ToriesApr 17 11:13
schestowitzFor the Tories to bolster their support baseApr 17 11:13
MinceRXRevan86: especially with webvisor turned on, without any field marked as protectedApr 17 11:13
schestowitzby appealing to racists and bigotsApr 17 11:13
MinceRthough i think it was all deliberateApr 17 11:13
schestowitzOrban could use backing from Jobbik's goonsApr 17 11:13
MinceRmaybe they want the FSB's support in the next sham 'election'Apr 17 11:13
schestowitzHungary 3rdApr 17 11:13
schestowitzUS 1stApr 17 11:14
MinceR:>Apr 17 11:14
schestowitz"American first"Apr 17 11:14
schestowitz"America first"Apr 17 11:14
schestowitzWaitApr 17 11:14
schestowitzwhat about EUApr 17 11:14
schestowitz...?Apr 17 11:14
schestowitzMaybe Hungary is fourthApr 17 11:14
XRevan86MinceR: Yandex is actually not a company located in Russia (it's taxes, yeah).Apr 17 11:14
MinceREARTH FIRST! We'll strip-mine the other planets later.Apr 17 11:14
schestowitzVote Orban, Hungary fourth!Apr 17 11:14
XRevan86But they really do conform to the govt requests because they do business here.Apr 17 11:14
MinceRXRevan86: hq is in moscowApr 17 11:14
MinceRand the ceo lives in moscow as wellApr 17 11:15
XRevan86And most of the servers are in Russia as well (not all of them).Apr 17 11:16
XRevan86MinceR: But, ye know, he could live.Apr 17 11:17
XRevan86leave*Apr 17 11:17
*TweetTuxMachines @JanDavidHassel favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...'Apr 17 11:17
MinceRgood for himApr 17 11:17
XRevan86I'm getting to the fact that Google conforms to a lot of govt requests too.Apr 17 11:17
MinceRindeedApr 17 11:17
MinceRwhich is why using google analytics in the same position would also have been unacceptableApr 17 11:17
*TweetTuxMachines @spf13 favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...'Apr 17 11:18
XRevan86MinceR: Yet all the focus is on Yandex specifically.Apr 17 11:18
MinceRi wonder whyApr 17 11:18
XRevan86They've probably replaced analytics on other ones and called it a day.Apr 17 11:18
MinceRoh, also, of course the commie state party was renamed several timesApr 17 11:20
MinceR"hungarian workers' party", "hungarian communist party", then the aboveApr 17 11:21
MinceRthey pulled a microsoft before microsoft even existed :>Apr 17 11:21
MinceRapparently yandex used to be registered in the netherlandsApr 17 11:24
XRevan86In Russia there's now a party called KPSS existing %).Apr 17 11:24
XRevan86It's like a Nokla of political partiesApr 17 11:24
MinceRi wonder what sort of pressure putler used on them to force them to move to russiaApr 17 11:24
XRevan86(Communist Party of Social Justice)Apr 17 11:24
MinceRhttp://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/putins-fear-of-the-internet   http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-yandex-listing-idUSKBN0EE1NO20140603Apr 17 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newyorker.com | Putin’s Fear of the Internet - The New YorkerApr 17 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russian search engine Yandex shows loyalty with Moscow listing | ReutersApr 17 11:24
MinceRXRevan86: what is it reminiscent of?Apr 17 11:24
XRevan86MinceR: KPSS, the Communist Party of the Soviet UnionApr 17 11:25
MinceR:)Apr 17 11:25
MinceRthe sad part is that people do fall for this crapApr 17 11:25
MinceRhungary has a party called "worker's party" (munkaspart) and they are not without votesApr 17 11:25
XRevan86they've managed to get a seat in the parliamentApr 17 11:25
MinceRit's led by an asshole from mszmpApr 17 11:26
MinceRbut i guess i shouldn't be surprisedApr 17 11:26
MinceRapparently most people's only problem with totalitarian dictatorships is that they use a swastika instead of sickle+hammer, or vice versaApr 17 11:27
MinceRthey like being enslaved, tread upon and robbed, but they demand it happens with the right symbolsApr 17 11:27
XRevan86MinceR: Dictatorships can use any symbols they want, it's part of the curse.Apr 17 11:29
XRevan86The world is not protected from a dictatorship suddenly popping up with a statue of liberty as the main symbol or something.Apr 17 11:29
MinceRsure, but people shouldn't be misled by a few symbolsApr 17 11:29
XRevan86Apparently people better connect with symbols than with actual political programmes.Apr 17 11:30
MinceRthe latter probably involves too much thinking (that is, nonzero)Apr 17 11:30
MinceRand thus the self-described 'intelligent species' dooms itself to slavery and extinction just to avoid having to actually think for onceApr 17 11:34
XRevan86MinceR: Well, we usually do actually think after the fact :).Apr 17 11:37
XRevan86lose freedom not caringly, regain freedom with blood, lose freedom, regain, lost, regainApr 17 11:38
XRevan86So it does happen, just too late.Apr 17 11:38
MinceRi wonder if they'll even want to regain it ever againApr 17 11:41
MinceRhungarians have certainly thrown their freedom away voluntarily in 2010Apr 17 11:42
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe they're like Russians: they just don't really notice it yet.Apr 17 11:42
XRevan86Some people notice, but for the majority it's business as usual.Apr 17 11:43
MinceRwell, if they cared to learn about this 'democracy' and 'republic' they welcomed in 1989, they'd be aware of what was happeningApr 17 11:43
MinceRthings like what freedom of speech and rule of law are and why they're necessaryApr 17 11:44
MinceR(the latter only in a state, of course)Apr 17 11:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/almutschwacke/status/853995019157594113Apr 17 11:45
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter worth someApr 17 11:45
TweetTuxMachines @almutschwacke  Linux gamer attention https://t.co/hsioQrKYi2Apr 17 11:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com) "promised same-day LinuxApr 17 11:45
TweetTuxMachines                 support!"Apr 17 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter worth some Linux gamer attention | GamingOnLinuxApr 17 11:45
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XRevan86MinceR: It's easier to imagine problems of having freedom of speech than problems of the state capable of shutting people up.Apr 17 11:45
MinceRis it?Apr 17 11:46
XRevan86So people don't see until they have the happy ability to experience censorship on themselves.Apr 17 11:46
XRevan86MinceR: Apparently it is.Apr 17 11:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853997846621716480Apr 17 11:47
TweetTuxMachines                 NU/Linux Review: Xubuntu 17.04 Zesty ZapusApr 17 11:47
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/T8FjCGG14P (www.ubuntubuzz.com)Apr 17 11:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntubuzz.com | GNU/Linux Review: Xubuntu 17.04 Zesty ZapusApr 17 11:47
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schestowitzMinceR: https://freezepeach.xyz/notice/2093169Apr 17 11:49
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/BIVFBPX.jpgApr 17 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freezepeach.xyz | FreezePeachApr 17 11:49
schestowitz" HUNGRY for personal data."Apr 17 11:49
MinceR>Please enable javascript to use this site.Apr 17 11:49
MinceRand i can't even copy-paste that error messageApr 17 11:50
MinceRalso, :)Apr 17 11:50
XRevan86MinceR: Compare: "the ability to shut a mass-murder advocate up" and "government corruption through forbidding opposition using stretched twisted interpretations of censorship laws". What's an easier concept to grasp? %)Apr 17 11:50
MinceRXRevan86: they don't have "the ability to not listen to a mass-murder advocate"?Apr 17 11:50
XRevan86MinceR: What if somebody will listen? HorrorsApr 17 11:50
MinceRwhat if somebody will think of it without being told?Apr 17 11:51
XRevan86MinceR: Why not LibreJS? ;)Apr 17 11:51
XRevan86MinceR: People still like to silence people whom they don't like.Apr 17 11:52
MinceRof courseApr 17 11:54
MinceRand it never occurs to them that someone else might want to silence themApr 17 11:55
MinceRthis isn't rocket surgeryApr 17 11:55
MinceRyet "look at me, i'm so much smarter than all the other animals!"Apr 17 11:55
XRevan86MinceR: It's a weird assumption that the government will only use those powers on bad people.Apr 17 11:57
XRevan86and everybody's good in his own eyesApr 17 11:57
MinceReverybody imagines themselves to be the emperorApr 17 11:57
MinceRevery fucking timeApr 17 11:57
XRevan86MinceR: Well, not the emperor.Apr 17 11:59
XRevan86A part of the safe majority.Apr 17 11:59
XRevan86MinceR: Ask anybody what are the chances of them getting into prison.Apr 17 12:00
MinceRthere's no "safe majority" in the dictatorships they're so enamored withApr 17 12:00
XRevan86"prisons are not for me, they are for criminals"Apr 17 12:00
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe in Saudi Arabia people realise that.Apr 17 12:01
XRevan86or in North KoreaApr 17 12:01
MinceRwell, hungary used to be a stalinist-style dictatorship beforeApr 17 12:02
MinceRthese dumbasses learned exactly nothing from itApr 17 12:02
XRevan86I wonder what happens with Turkey now.Apr 17 12:04
MinceRit gets worseApr 17 12:04
XRevan86I've heard Erdogan now has super-powers.Apr 17 12:04
MinceReconomy dies in it, as it always does in oppressionApr 17 12:04
MinceRbut it probably won't become uncompetitive, as the EU, the USA and others are going to hell as wellApr 17 12:05
MinceRmaybe we'll get a mercykill from an asteroidApr 17 12:05
MinceRprobably notApr 17 12:05
*XRevan86 opts-out of the mercykill.Apr 17 12:05
MinceRwe'll just keep on turning more and more of the planet into desert, pollute everything including the air and formerly drinkable water sourcesApr 17 12:05
XRevan86from the*Apr 17 12:06
MinceRget ever more religious wars, plagues, faminesApr 17 12:06
MinceRfire off a few nuclear exchangesApr 17 12:06
MinceRand die out, taking most multicellular life with usApr 17 12:06
MinceRand then maybe one day intelligent life will evolve on this planetApr 17 12:06
MinceRhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/65t4vh/a_man_was_walking_along_the_street_when_he_saw_a/Apr 17 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | A man was walking along the street when he saw a ladder going into the clouds : JokesApr 17 12:08
MinceRoh, and of course, no technological or scientific progressApr 17 12:09
MinceRjust religious fundamentalismApr 17 12:09
MinceRin some places with cult of personality, in others, abrahamic religion, in others, bothApr 17 12:10
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/60gLzAG.gifApr 17 12:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/853998296871972865Apr 17 12:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Mesa Lands GLVND Support For EGL https://t.co/5TKcwuAjUjApr 17 12:15
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Apr 17 12:15
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa Lands GLVND Support For EGL - PhoronixApr 17 12:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854005439465373696Apr 17 12:15
TweetTuxMachines                 GNU/Linux Review: Xubuntu 17.04 Zesty ZapusApr 17 12:15
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/DlwNpBUUcm (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 12:15
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/SUX0qhKPrJApr 17 12:15
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux Review: Xubuntu 17.04 Zesty Zapus | Tux MachinesApr 17 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: GNU/Linux Review: Xubuntu 17.04 Zesty Zapus https://t.co/DlwNpBUUcm https://t.co/SUX0qhKPrJApr 17 12:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854005444028674048Apr 17 12:16
TweetTuxMachines                 PDF Split And Merge 'PDFSAM' Does Exactly What It SaysApr 17 12:16
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NfCu40WsBH (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 12:16
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PDF Split And Merge 'PDFSAM' Does Exactly What It Says | Tux MachinesApr 17 12:16
schestowitzMinceR: wtf?Apr 17 12:20
schestowitzthat was very unexpectedApr 17 12:20
MinceR:)Apr 17 12:20
MinceRthat's why it's funnyApr 17 12:20
schestowitzyeahApr 17 12:20
MinceRunfortunately it also looks very fakeApr 17 12:20
MinceRthe mouth of the wolf stretches unrealistically and there's no bloodApr 17 12:20
sebsebsebMinceR: Canonical,  Microsoft, AppleApr 17 12:22
MinceRsebsebseb: ?Apr 17 12:23
sebsebsebMinceR: your favourite companies :edApr 17 12:23
sebsebseb:dApr 17 12:23
MinceRnot reallyApr 17 12:23
sebsebsebyep you love themApr 17 12:23
MinceRnot reallyApr 17 12:23
sebsebsebschestowitz: guess what still going to show at an event this weekend, to try and get public interested in Linux ?Apr 17 12:24
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schestowitzMinceR: the fakeness makes it funnierApr 17 12:31
MinceRfrom playing Brutal Doom, i can tell that added gore can also make it funnierApr 17 12:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854005449862946816Apr 17 12:39
TweetTuxMachines                 i3 A Tiling Window Manager For Advanced UsersApr 17 12:39
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Z3iQSdqkzi (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 12:39
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | i3 A Tiling Window Manager For Advanced Users | Tux MachinesApr 17 12:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange One day you will be...'Apr 17 12:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange One day you will be free, but...'Apr 17 12:43
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@KevJames91 @PENamerican @wikileaks That's like calling Trump a...'Apr 17 12:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854013729800822784Apr 17 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/6VCANwXvrBApr 17 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 12:48
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesApr 17 12:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854013736536875011Apr 17 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat Financial News and Fedora's New Mission StatementApr 17 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/JbjcfBdNVr (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 12:48
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Financial News and Fedora's New Mission Statement | Tux MachinesApr 17 12:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854013738726313985Apr 17 12:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers https://t.co/wBKjeOK8XEApr 17 12:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 12:49
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesApr 17 12:49
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/4HTvAGM.jpgApr 17 13:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854013740814958592Apr 17 13:22
TweetTuxMachines                 FOSS at Events https://t.co/iBG4MgcfUIApr 17 13:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 13:22
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FOSS at Events | Tux MachinesApr 17 13:22
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/iXS0q2Q.gifv    (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/iXS0q2Q )Apr 17 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | The Dark Side of Hickok45Apr 17 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Dark Side of Hickok45 - GIF on ImgurApr 17 13:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854022280157962240Apr 17 13:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Back End/Server https://t.co/vjlUKNaLPFApr 17 13:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 13:34
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 13:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Back End/Server | Tux MachinesApr 17 13:34
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Arsenal #WengerOut for the loo. #AlexisOut on a...'Apr 17 14:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/jesusguevarauto/status/854034427445424128Apr 17 14:32
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    today's howtos https://t.co/QRy8pooYUgApr 17 14:32
TweetTuxMachines @jesusguevarauto  (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 14:32
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesApr 17 14:32
*TweetTuxMachines @BadActorsGame favourited 'All Walls Must Fall sounds like a Kickstarter...'Apr 17 14:32
MinceRhttps://imgur.com/gallery/N4r4GApr 17 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A cat you may not have heard of - Album on ImgurApr 17 14:33
MinceRhttp://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/tc5-8.jpgApr 17 14:47
sebsebsebMinceR: these unity 8 forks could be good for desktop Linux in general it seems,  since they want to be distro agnostic it seems as well soApr 17 14:53
MinceRexcept unity was never goodApr 17 14:54
MinceRand shuttlecock's goons breaking systray support in every application was also never goodApr 17 14:54
sebsebsebMinceR: systray?Apr 17 14:55
MinceRsystem trayApr 17 14:56
sebsebsebMinceR: what with how?Apr 17 14:56
sebsebsebthere icons ?Apr 17 14:56
MinceRstandard way of having small (typically 22x22 pixel) icons on your panelApr 17 14:56
sebsebsebif you mean the icons down the left are a bit biggerApr 17 14:56
sebsebsebthen sureApr 17 14:56
sebsebsebMinceR: well unity 7 is going to die, and unity 8 is having two forksApr 17 14:58
sebsebsebit seemsApr 17 14:58
sebsebsebUnity 7 is to tighed to compiz and xorg, soApr 17 14:58
sebsebsebMinceR: they also want the unity 8 forks working with wayland !Apr 17 14:58
sebsebsebseems will try and drop mir for them evenApr 17 14:58
MinceRi'll start caring about wayland when it will have an implementation that doesn't depend on cancerdApr 17 15:00
sebsebsebMinceR: cancered h eh you mean systemd ?Apr 17 15:01
MinceRyesApr 17 15:01
sebsebsebwellApr 17 15:01
sebsebsebxorg is going bye bye to be replaced with waylanf soApr 17 15:02
MinceRno, not reallyApr 17 15:02
MinceRit's not going to be replaced with something that depends on cancedApr 17 15:02
MinceRs/ced/cerd/Apr 17 15:02
sebsebsebsinvce xorg is apparantly now insecure in certain ways etcApr 17 15:02
MinceRgood thing cancerd isn't! oh wait.Apr 17 15:02
sebsebsebit will be in most distrosApr 17 15:03
MinceRbut yeah, gotta save myself of the massive insecurity of being able to take screenshots.Apr 17 15:03
MinceRit's an outrage.Apr 17 15:03
sebsebsebuh  cant take screenshots i n wayland not sure about thatApr 17 15:04
*sebsebseb takes a lot of screenshotsApr 17 15:04
MinceRinterestingApr 17 15:04
MinceRso being able take screenshots outside x is not a security hole?Apr 17 15:04
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sebsebsebsystemd loves MinceRApr 17 15:07
MinceRit's amusing how arbitrary functionality gets declared heresy or indispensableApr 17 15:07
MinceRindependently of what the users need or thinkApr 17 15:07
sebsebseboh?Apr 17 15:07
MinceRlike the way they broke servers starting up or shutting down for the sake of being able to run multiseat desktops in 2016Apr 17 15:08
MinceRthey love to throw out the baby with the bathwater, right into the wood chipperApr 17 15:09
sebsebsebwho? and what you mean multiseat desktopsApr 17 15:09
sebsebseb?Apr 17 15:09
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schestowitzMinceR: the shooting thing is funnyApr 17 15:24
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MinceRpoettering and his cultApr 17 15:26
MinceRas for multiseat desktops, exactly.Apr 17 15:26
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/ScabboE.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/G43bz )Apr 17 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-One Man's Trash - Album on ImgurApr 17 15:36
schestowitzweirdApr 17 15:38
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/5kN7YZp.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/GFusw )Apr 17 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-He will be deeply pissed. - Album on ImgurApr 17 16:01
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Arsenal #WengerOut for a cig. Will be back...'Apr 17 16:07
oiaohmMinceR: multi seat is a by product.   Logind was started before systemd so that when users logged out you did not end up with a growning number of never ending processes.Apr 17 16:17
oiaohmMinceR: and when user logged out you did not end up with the next user having aplicaitons from the prior user ever reconnecting.Apr 17 16:18
schestowitzArsène Wenger will have a very funny face todayApr 17 16:18
schestowitzArsenal not winning. Agai.Apr 17 16:18
schestowitzAgainApr 17 16:18
schestowitzArsène #WengerOutApr 17 16:20
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/9146686#033099c005da013519c01acf4c22f836Apr 17 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Happy Tax Day! Here's How Corporations Plan to Screw You Over. https://theintercept.com/2017/04/17/happy-tax-day-heres-how-corporations-plan-to-screw-you-over/ e.g. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Microsoft_-_TaxApr 17 16:34
schestowitz"Apr 17 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> theintercept.com | Happy Tax Day! Here’s How Corporations Plan to Screw You Over. [ http://ur1.ca/qrod4 ]Apr 17 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Microsoft - Tax - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/pq8ey ]Apr 17 16:34
schestowitzActually as of 2008 I was told by Paul Gregorie of NYS’ Workers’ Comp Board that I have to leave. And not to send him more witness. They denied service. Acting to euthanize me is the final nail in their coffin it seems.Apr 17 16:34
schestowitzAnd my father’s death, outside of custody, proves that as final now anew.Apr 17 16:34
schestowitzThey suppressed witness this way and despite that, I worked all day every day 7 days a week until now at times over 18 hours a day making witness. Child harms came latest with a drowning event in Canada for me and murder of other children. They wanted to avoid the child harms.Apr 17 16:34
schestowitzIf I can not live or do biz there then you can not either. No courts. No contracts.Apr 17 16:34
schestowitzI will have to leave USA despite working for US IRS, US Postal, US DOD etc since they can not own my IP pay or tax me and knew all that all along.Apr 17 16:34
schestowitzI likely have to seek asylum outside the USA.Apr 17 16:34
schestowitzI am immune and they nullified.Apr 17 16:35
schestowitzAnd I am Stateless. Been denied employ by Moore Business Forms now R Donnely. Motorola. SONY RD San Diego and they admit to vanity problems related to music and movie content as of 2005.Apr 17 16:35
schestowitzEducators @ SUNY Buffalo are involved in degree frauds and other harms.Apr 17 16:35
schestowitzwww.cedar.buffalo.eduApr 17 16:35
schestowitzDr Sargur Srihari and others are involved…Apr 17 16:35
schestowitzLooks like I need to reside in another nation.Apr 17 16:35
schestowitzhttp://terryallenjones.work/Academic_Murders.htmApr 17 16:35
schestowitz"Apr 17 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-terryallenjones.work | Academic Murders. [ http://ur1.ca/qrog0 ]Apr 17 16:35
schestowitzwtf?Apr 17 16:35
MinceRoiaohm: i don't care about the excusesApr 17 16:40
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/J58uFApr 17 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Big Star Wars Meme Dump Part 3 - Album on ImgurApr 17 16:44
oiaohmMinceR: the screenshotting featue on wayland is different to X11 in two major way.   Applications have to have permission to screenshot under Wayland and X11 does not need permissions every application can.  Also taking a screenshot under wayland without full permission can see like password dialogs not appear in screenshot.Apr 17 16:49
MinceRoiaohm: still not caringApr 17 16:50
oiaohmMinceR: and that screenshotting feature was in wayland before first stable release.Apr 17 16:50
XRevan86oiaohm: Is it possible at all to run an application like GParted under Wayland?Apr 17 16:50
MinceRoiaohm: stop trying to force people to replace stable, workable software with unstable, unworkable softwareApr 17 16:50
oiaohmMinceR: X11 has documented points of unstable.Apr 17 16:51
MinceRoiaohm: make it work first, then see people adopt it on their own.Apr 17 16:51
MinceRoiaohm: i don't care. X11 works for me. cancerd does not.Apr 17 16:51
MinceRoiaohm: and i'm not going to start keeping binary logs because some moron believes that i'm doing security exploits myself by taking screenshots.Apr 17 16:51
oiaohmXRevan86: Gparted don't know how far.  Remember under wayland you have xwayland to allow running older X11 applications while not giving them everything.Apr 17 16:51
MinceR*while not giving them what they need to functionApr 17 16:52
XRevan86oiaohm: Natively under Wayland that is.Apr 17 16:52
XRevan86A GUI partitionerApr 17 16:52
oiaohmMinceR: xwayland is no different to X11 under OS X or Windows.Apr 17 16:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854063808137932801Apr 17 16:52
MinceRoiaohm: i don't care, i don't use OSuX nor winblows. i use GNU/Linux.Apr 17 16:52
TweetTuxMachines                 I have seen the future of Ubuntu: Ubuntu Gnome 17.04Apr 17 16:52
TweetTuxMachines                 review https://t.co/4LMI4rAQYz (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 17 16:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/FHULuFTF3kApr 17 16:53
TweetTuxMachines Apr 17 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | I have seen the future of Ubuntu: Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 review | Tux MachinesApr 17 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: I have seen the future of Ubuntu: Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 review https://t.co/4LMI4rAQYz https://t.co/FHULuFTF3kApr 17 16:53
MinceRoiaohm: and i do rely on being able to capture/warp the pointer regularly.Apr 17 16:53
MinceR(oh, another "insecure" thing!)Apr 17 16:53
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oiaohmXRevan86: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F25_bugs#wayland-root-apps  there are a few conflicts some applications gparted being one of them.  Running everything as root has be not recommend on X11 since forever. Apr 17 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Common F25 bugs - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/qrojz ]Apr 17 16:58
MinceRTIL GParted was "everything"Apr 17 16:59
oiaohmMinceR: everything inside a application.  Yes Gparted GUI has been running as root when only its tools need to run as root.Apr 17 17:00
MinceRso, where's the cult's replacement to GParted?Apr 17 17:00
MinceRsomehow all you people do is whine and wreck things that used to workApr 17 17:01
MinceRhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F25_bugs#GNOME_freezes_frequently_with_3_monitors_on_WaylandApr 17 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Common F25 bugs - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/qrokn ]Apr 17 17:02
MinceRlolApr 17 17:02
MinceR"stable" a la ratcrapApr 17 17:02
MinceR"This is not exactly a bug, but an intentional design" -- just like the way they broke cron, screen, tmux, ...Apr 17 17:03
oiaohmMinceR: disks gnome.  Predates existance of Gparted.Apr 17 17:03
MinceRlolApr 17 17:03
MinceR>gnomeApr 17 17:03
oiaohmKDE also works.Apr 17 17:03
oiaohmThey are attempting to get upstream fixed.Apr 17 17:03
MinceRalso, all i get is "gnome disks", which is just a udisks frontendApr 17 17:04
MinceR(oh, and btw, udisks2 is also unstable, unreliable crap with bullshit documentation)Apr 17 17:04
oiaohmudisks is a different front end for libparted.Apr 17 17:05
MinceRlast time i checked, it did completely different things than partedApr 17 17:06
MinceRbut it's fine, it did those things wrong tooApr 17 17:06
oiaohmMinceR: and that would have been 3+ years ago rightApr 17 17:07
MinceRalso, since it relies on udisks, it would probably not be willing to do anything for me, as i'm using startxApr 17 17:07
oiaohmAbout time you get current.Apr 17 17:07
MinceRno, udisks still sucksApr 17 17:07
MinceRever since i got tired of broken display managers and switched to startx, udisks decided i'm not eligible to manage devices on my own computerApr 17 17:08
oiaohmpartitioning has been done in udisks by libparted since over 3 years ago.Apr 17 17:08
MinceRso i went back to mounting/umounting by handApr 17 17:08
MinceRearlier, back when i would use udisks2 regularly, it would crash regularlyApr 17 17:08
oiaohmAgain when.Apr 17 17:08
MinceRand guess what, the only thing about starting it again in the documentation is that "it will be started automatically when needed"Apr 17 17:08
MinceRguess what, it won'tApr 17 17:08
oiaohmI bet that was before udisks got depreated it.Apr 17 17:08
MinceRi had to figure out manuallyApr 17 17:09
MinceRdoesn't matter, they were already pretending that it was "stable"Apr 17 17:09
oiaohmEarly mistake was to have both.Apr 17 17:09
MinceRi'm sick and tired of poettering's malware becoming stable sometime 40 years in the future, maybe, unless they abandon it from something shinierApr 17 17:09
MinceRit probably relies on that other atrocity against humankind called polkitApr 17 17:10
oiaohmSystem can only have udisks v1 or udisks v2 of you have both you have unstable. Apr 17 17:10
oiaohmNot clearly in the early documentation.Apr 17 17:10
MinceRi probably only have v2Apr 17 17:11
MinceRi certainly didn't install any of it manuallyApr 17 17:11
oiaohmThe errors you are describing are both.   Fedora early failed to remove udisks v1 when it installed udisks v2 in a update.Apr 17 17:11
oiaohmSo did other distributions.Apr 17 17:12
MinceRi stopped using fedora ages agoApr 17 17:12
MinceRalso, it's funny that ratcrap doesn't know their own shitty daemonsApr 17 17:12
oiaohmSo there was a universal goof up.Apr 17 17:12
MinceR(i stopped because yum is also a unusable pile of shit)Apr 17 17:12
MinceR(and yes, dnf is most likely more of the same since under the CADT development model they just ignore bug reports and start over)Apr 17 17:12
oiaohmMinceR: there was a stack of issues with udisks2 on ubuntu in 2015-2016 because ubuntu developers thought they knew how to patch it.Apr 17 17:15
oiaohmMinceR: ie distribution created bug not upstream.Apr 17 17:16
MinceRi'm not using ubuntu, or a derivative thereof, thoughApr 17 17:16
MinceRi'm using crunchbang, a debian derivativeApr 17 17:16
XRevan86MinceR: The long dead Crunchbang?Apr 17 17:18
MinceRyesApr 17 17:18
MinceRderivative of the long dead debianApr 17 17:18
XRevan86MinceR: I thought you're using Devuan…Apr 17 17:18
MinceRon a vm, yesApr 17 17:19
MinceRhaven't fully migrated yetApr 17 17:19
schestowitzi heard it's flakyApr 17 17:19
MinceRas i was going to replace the hw anywayApr 17 17:19
schestowitzfrom a friend who used it on production for a whileApr 17 17:19
schestowitz(months ago)Apr 17 17:19
XRevan86schestowitz: Devuan?Apr 17 17:19
MinceRafaik only the website and the install process has issuesApr 17 17:19
oiaohmMinceR: so that right at the age of the stuffed udisks v1 to udisks v2 migration.   Crunchbang was also started live as a ubuntu branch and was still taking patches from ubuntu.Apr 17 17:19
MinceRonce you get it installed, it's solidApr 17 17:19
MinceR(they're having problems with letsencrypt)Apr 17 17:20
oiaohmMinceR: Crunchbang was how to play with a hand granade.Apr 17 17:20
MinceRoiaohm: i never used ubuntu-derived crunchbang, only debian-derived crunchbang -- statler and waldorf.Apr 17 17:20
XRevan86And, obviously, one can install Debian and then migrate it, avoiding all flakiness of the installer.Apr 17 17:20
oiaohmMinceR: statler and waldorf pulled patches from ubuntu into their own repository.   So it was Debian + bits of UbuntuApr 17 17:20
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MinceRhttps://web.archive.org/web/20170318060840/https://ctrl.blog/entry/windows-active-hoursApr 17 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | “Active Hours” in Windows 10 emphasizes how you are not in control of your own devices Ctrl blog [ http://ur1.ca/qroni ]Apr 17 17:24
oiaohmMinceR: there are a lot of things broken in crunchbang that were broken no where else.  2015 all uses of crunchbang by the developers were told to migrate to Debian standard.Apr 17 17:24
MinceRthat's because the developers forgot what "lightweight" meant and went to worship lendows and debian8Apr 17 17:25
oiaohmMinceR: first version of crunchbang had items with ubuntu patches.Apr 17 17:28
oiaohmMinceR: that being patches not fully validated.Apr 17 17:28
oiaohmMinceR: then add on their own not fully validated patches.Apr 17 17:28
MinceRfunny, now you realize validation existsApr 17 17:28
MinceRi wonder where it was when systemd was pronounced stableApr 17 17:29
MinceRand pushed into fedora 15, then into debian 8Apr 17 17:29
oiaohmThere was a catch here what systemd was replacing being sysvinit had never been declared offically stable on Linux.Apr 17 17:29
MinceRyawnApr 17 17:30
oiaohmSo they did not have to jump the stable bar.Apr 17 17:30
MinceRyes they didApr 17 17:30
oiaohmNo they did not.Apr 17 17:30
MinceRyes they didApr 17 17:30
oiaohmThey only had to have less defects than what they were replacing.Apr 17 17:30
oiaohmThat is the major distribution rule.Apr 17 17:30
MinceRin replacing long known critical software with something new, that new stuff has to be stableApr 17 17:30
oiaohmThat is why is been such a nightmare that sysvinit was left in broken state.Apr 17 17:30
MinceRthere is no weaseling out of this.Apr 17 17:30
MinceRespecially if the new "init system" is actually an entire operating system that brings all sorts of vile crap with itApr 17 17:31
oiaohmLot of crap has been allowed into distributions because its less broken than sysvinit.Apr 17 17:31
MinceRyeah, nobody is buying your bullshit about how cancerd is supposedly less broken than sysvinitApr 17 17:31
oiaohmReality is you have rose coloured glasses who wants to ignore the defects.Apr 17 17:32
MinceRyeahApr 17 17:32
oiaohmsysvinit design was never design to work with how the Linux kernel in fact works.Apr 17 17:32
MinceRignoring defects is totally what kept my machines runningApr 17 17:32
MinceRand systemd was designed to work with a Linux feature that isn't ready yet and doesn't work yetApr 17 17:33
MinceRand even if you monologue total bullshit here for 24 hours, it will not be one bit better.Apr 17 17:33
oiaohmsystemd and openrc are closer to what a Linux kernel based OS init system needs to be.Apr 17 17:33
MinceRno, systemd is very far from what an init system needs to beApr 17 17:34
MinceRan init system doesn't need to have a syslog replacement in itApr 17 17:34
MinceRan init system doesn't need to have a cron replacement in itApr 17 17:34
MinceRan init system doesn't need to have an at replacement in itApr 17 17:34
MinceRan init system doesn't need to have a [x]inetd replacement in itApr 17 17:34
XRevan86systemd has an atd replacement?Apr 17 17:34
MinceRan init system doesn't need to have a webserver in itApr 17 17:34
MinceRapparently it can launch tasks at a given timeApr 17 17:34
MinceRan init system doesn't need to have a container provisioner in itApr 17 17:35
oiaohmLast one is wrong.Apr 17 17:35
oiaohmOnly way to track processes in Linux kernel design is use the containers/namespaces.Apr 17 17:35
MinceRand sysvinit technically not having the paperwork does not mean you get to delete sysvinit and install a whole bundle of halfassed crapware in its place.Apr 17 17:35
oiaohmOtherwise you need to patch the kernel.Apr 17 17:36
MinceRtracking processes is not the same as downloading an image from a specified url and starting a container with it.Apr 17 17:36
oiaohmOr do stupid things like android.Apr 17 17:36
MinceRi wonder if you're genuinely confused or think everyone will eat up these bald-faced lies.Apr 17 17:36
oiaohmAndroid user per application is the solution.Apr 17 17:36
MinceRandroid doesn't do things half as stupid as lendowsApr 17 17:36
oiaohmAnd no user switching.Apr 17 17:36
MinceRandroid's init mostly manages to stick to its job, somehowApr 17 17:37
MinceRso do most other things in itApr 17 17:37
oiaohmAlso andorid init was updated to use cgroups/namespaces as well.Apr 17 17:37
oiaohmSo yes android does have container provisionerApr 17 17:38
MinceR[citation needed]Apr 17 17:38
oiaohmMinceR: it in the android open source code when you read the script that is android init.Apr 17 17:38
oiaohmMinceR: yes android does container provisioner with a script.Apr 17 17:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Arsenal Arsène #WengerOut to figure out how he...'Apr 17 17:39
MinceRit's available online, so you can just link itApr 17 17:39
MinceRis that script part of the "init system"?Apr 17 17:39
oiaohmYes the script is part of the init system.Apr 17 17:39
MinceR[citation needed]Apr 17 17:39
oiaohmThe complete init of android is a script.Apr 17 17:39
MinceRjust because two pieces of software are both scripts doesn't mean they're the same programApr 17 17:40
oiaohmhttp://www.androiddesignpatterns.com/2014/01/thread-scheduling-in-android.html  cgroup usage has been in Android for quite some time.Apr 17 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androiddesignpatterns.com | Thread Scheduling in Android | Android Design Patterns [ http://ur1.ca/qroq7 ]Apr 17 17:43
oiaohmBefore android used cgroups they used selinux to trace stuff.Apr 17 17:44
MinceRyet i have yet to hear android failing to shutdown and forgetting application settings because of itApr 17 17:45
MinceRperhaps android developers are aware of the limitations poettering and you like to ignoreApr 17 17:45
MinceRalso, i don't remember android stuff being forced into debianApr 17 17:45
oiaohmAndroid is nasty.  Application developers are mean to put what they want saved regulately.Apr 17 17:45
MinceRespecially not in default install or pid1Apr 17 17:46
MinceRah, so power management is now "nasty"Apr 17 17:46
oiaohmBecause andorid application development rules say you application can be terminated at any time.Apr 17 17:46
oiaohmWithout noticeApr 17 17:46
MinceRwhere does POSIX say the same?Apr 17 17:46
MinceRwhere does the Single "Unix" Specification say the same?Apr 17 17:46
oiaohmPOSIX standard does not say you cannot.  Niether does the SUSApr 17 17:47
oiaohmAnything undefined by POSIX the implementer can do what ever they like.Apr 17 17:47
oiaohmMinceR: Posix standard is swiss cheese and systemd went through one of the holes.Apr 17 17:48
MinceRagain, i can see why you want to applaud the cult for finding a loopholeApr 17 17:48
MinceRbut i don't really see why they should wreck my production environment because of that.Apr 17 17:49
MinceRs/wreck/get to wreck/Apr 17 17:49
MinceRalso...Apr 17 17:49
oiaohmNo you raised those points as something to win with.Apr 17 17:49
MinceRoiaohm: do you shutdown your computers by yanking the power cord?Apr 17 17:49
oiaohmMinceR: there is a standard they broken.Apr 17 17:50
MinceRdoes this mean you believe that unix applications should expect the root filesystem to be ripped out from under them at any time?Apr 17 17:50
oiaohmMinceR: but you have not named it yet.Apr 17 17:50
MinceRis bash broken because it doesn't save its history when you press enter?Apr 17 17:50
MinceRoiaohm: which part of this sophistry is supposed to make lendows work properly?Apr 17 17:50
MinceRbecause so far, it isn't working.Apr 17 17:50
oiaohmMinceR: have you ever read the LSB script standard for sysvinitApr 17 17:51
MinceRdo i give a fuck about LSB?Apr 17 17:51
MinceRit has whatever ratcrap wants in itApr 17 17:51
oiaohmBecause that is the standard they broke by killing services on shutdown.Apr 17 17:51
oiaohmAnd the only standard they broke.Apr 17 17:52
MinceRif i wanted my systems to fail in the way ratcrap wanted them to fail, i'd run one of ratcrap's shitty OS-esApr 17 17:52
MinceRbut i don't, so i don'tApr 17 17:52
MinceRthey also broke user expectationsApr 17 17:52
MinceRand guess what validation (which you mentioned earlier) is about...Apr 17 17:52
oiaohmIts the only standard on sysvinit that says a servicve has to get a terminating message.Apr 17 17:52
MinceRthat's right -- intended use and user expectations.Apr 17 17:52
MinceRit's also what every unix did, except possibly your beloved braindead slowlarisApr 17 17:53
oiaohmThat is not true.Apr 17 17:53
MinceRwhat is?Apr 17 17:53
oiaohmAll unix had a kill command to kill services without giving a message to service to save.Apr 17 17:53
oiaohmIt for IO overload events.Apr 17 17:53
oiaohmSo its not true that Unixs did not kill services without notice.Apr 17 17:54
MinceRthe kill command is not the same as shutting down gracefully.Apr 17 17:54
MinceRagain, i wonder if you're confused or are trying to bullshit your way through an argument.Apr 17 17:55
oiaohmMost unix had a service for monitoring load and killed stuff.Apr 17 17:55
oiaohmWhy OOMkillier is so savage.Apr 17 17:55
MinceRdo you shutdown by pulling the power cord and/or battery?Apr 17 17:55
oiaohmDepends on the device.Apr 17 17:55
oiaohmSo pulling the power cord to shutdown is something I have done.Apr 17 17:56
oiaohmI have also had unexpected power failure as well.Apr 17 17:56
oiaohmSo a service that cannot recover from a brute force shutdown is problem.Apr 17 17:57
MinceRremind me never to ask you to design an init system.Apr 17 17:58
oiaohmAndroid you have to expect flat battery.Apr 17 17:58
oiaohmYou application will not be informed of it in every case.Apr 17 17:58
oiaohmBecause some batteries get memory effects and lie their head off about how much power is remaining.Apr 17 17:59
MinceRwhich of my servers is running android?Apr 17 17:59
MinceRafaik Li-ion/polymer batteries don't get memory effectsApr 17 17:59
MinceRso that's kind of a last millennium problem :>Apr 17 17:59
oiaohmMinceR: except not all phones are li-ion.Apr 17 18:00
oiaohmMinceR: wish they were.Apr 17 18:00
MinceRthere are NiMH or NiCd android phones?Apr 17 18:04
oiaohmSome third world places you still find NiCd phones.   NiMH does not have a memory effect but if it hit bottom a lot of time it will say like 10 power remiaing then just stop.Apr 17 18:05
MinceRwell, it sucks to be in third world placesApr 17 18:06
MinceRnot my problemApr 17 18:06
oiaohmMinceR: and some badly made li-ion battery monitors in phones also will lie about how much is remaining.Apr 17 18:06
oiaohmSo the battery monitor might be right or might be completely wrong.Apr 17 18:06
MinceRso stop buying badly made phones.Apr 17 18:06
oiaohmYou cannot sort that fault by price tag either.Apr 17 18:07
MinceRyou can tell if a manufacturer has given up, thoughApr 17 18:08
oiaohmAbout 60 percent of the li-ion android have defective battery monitoring.  All iphones up until 2015 had defective battery monitoring.Apr 17 18:09
oiaohmSo this has been a plague from hell for those making mobile applications.Apr 17 18:10
MinceRwell, of course, all hypePhones are defective by designApr 17 18:11
MinceRbut none of them run androidApr 17 18:11
MinceRand those who write code for hypeOS deserve all the plague they getApr 17 18:11
oiaohmSome of the battery monitoring is really bad and explians phone fires.Apr 17 18:12
oiaohmLike report 75% percent full when the battery is 100% full so keeping the charger running until battery fails.Apr 17 18:12
oiaohmAlso over drawing li-ion past flat because the monitor does not get flat right.Apr 17 18:13
oiaohmWhat surprises me is how few recalls have be done over these chips being broken.Apr 17 18:14
oiaohmMinceR: basically anyone working with phones and laptops in volume over the last 8 years at somepoint has been on the recieving end of a lieing battery monitor.Apr 17 18:16
MinceRnot everyone replaces their equipment like it's going out of style :>Apr 17 18:17
oiaohmI know not everyone replaces their equipment a lot.   Please note you can order 1000 the same machine and get like 3 that the battery monitor is stuffed.Apr 17 18:19
oiaohmHopefully not in a fatal direction.Apr 17 18:20
oiaohmMinceR: so it a do you fell luck that you service on a laptop or phone will get notification before system stops.  It 1 thing to lose data is another thing not to be able to restart system because service jams in a loop because it was shut down improperly.Apr 17 18:22
MinceRi try to get the best-of-breed stuffApr 17 18:22
oiaohmsystemd killing service by force found a lot services that if terminated by power loss would fail to restart.Apr 17 18:23
oiaohmSo that action was good and bad.Apr 17 18:24
MinceRno, experimenting on people's production system is not good.Apr 17 18:24
MinceRs/tem/tems/Apr 17 18:24
MinceRwhat the hell happened? redhat can't afford to run their own test machines?Apr 17 18:25
oiaohmReally production systems should have been testing against power loss events.Apr 17 18:25
oiaohmSome of this is lack of testing by everyone.Apr 17 18:26
oiaohmSo blaming systemd only in some of these cases is avoid blaming another gulity party who had not done proper testing on what they were providing.Apr 17 18:27
MinceRwho should have tested systemd for redhat?Apr 17 18:28
MinceRkinda hard to pin the blame on anyone else when the same criminal enterprise is responsible for both the particular software package and the first distro it's supposed to be deployed in.Apr 17 18:28
MinceRand also for providing support for the people unfortunate enough to be using rHELL.Apr 17 18:29
MinceRunfortunate -- or just stupidApr 17 18:29
oiaohmOk first thing you need to keep blame to what is correct.   A service not starting after being killed by systemd on shutdown that is not systemd error that is a service error that if you had a power failure would hit you.  The data loss that can be blamed on systemd to a point.Apr 17 18:30
oiaohmPlease note I said to a point.  Like losing like 30 days of data because systemd terminated the application what in hell was the program doing never saving.Apr 17 18:32
MinceRof courseApr 17 18:32
MinceRi keep forgettingApr 17 18:32
MinceRwhile systemd takes over everything, somehow it is not responsible for anything that breaksApr 17 18:32
MinceRholy systemd.Apr 17 18:32
oiaohmI am not saying that.Apr 17 18:32
MinceRratcrap gets to shit all over all of my computers, but it's my fault if anything breaks.Apr 17 18:32
oiaohmI am saying at times it overblamed.Apr 17 18:32
MinceRyes, you're merely implying it.Apr 17 18:32
MinceRdifferent.Apr 17 18:33
MinceRsince they can't get cgroups to work, let's all just shutdown by pulling power. all the time.Apr 17 18:34
MinceRpoettering failing to get something right means it's the new standard.Apr 17 18:34
MinceR"how many microsoft programmers does it take to replace a lightbulb?" "none, they defined darkness as the industry standard."Apr 17 18:34
MinceR->Apr 17 18:34
MinceR"how many red hat programmers does it take to replace a lightbulb?" "none, they defined darkness as the industry standard."Apr 17 18:34
oiaohmFailure to shutdown and power cord solution was being done before systemd with sysvinitApr 17 18:34
oiaohmThis is the problem.Apr 17 18:35
MinceRwhy can't they be at least a tiny bit subtle about copying microsoft?Apr 17 18:35
oiaohmsysvinit was not working right.   SO systemd only had to be better than broken sysvinitApr 17 18:35
MinceRjust do one or two things right or not totally evil, just to mislead us, to make is let our guard down?Apr 17 18:35
MinceRsysvinit was working better than any redhat product ever did.Apr 17 18:35
oiaohmInteresting that you refer to faults that sysvinit has.Apr 17 18:36
MinceRno amount of equivocation changes that, so get designing and coding.Apr 17 18:36
oiaohmFialure to shutdown is something sysvinit has and why systemd added a auto terminate application feature.Apr 17 18:36
oiaohmEven upstart added that.Apr 17 18:36
MinceRthen i must have imagined sysvinit sending SIGTERM, waiting, then sending SIGKILLApr 17 18:37
MinceRwhat may have caused these hallucinations?Apr 17 18:37
MinceRi don't take drugs except caffeineApr 17 18:37
oiaohmsysvinit failes to send sigterm and sigkill to everything with forking processes at times.Apr 17 18:38
oiaohmThat causes shutdown failure.Apr 17 18:38
MinceR[citation needed]Apr 17 18:38
oiaohmI gave you the citation on this 3 year go.Apr 17 18:38
oiaohmOf course you ingored it then.Apr 17 18:39
MinceRmy computers ignored it tooApr 17 18:39
MinceRplease tell them they're not supposed to boot or shutdown reliably, they apparently don't know.Apr 17 18:39
oiaohmYou just not running the items that run into the fault.Apr 17 18:39
MinceRi'm sure that's another thing poettering's cult would like to changeApr 17 18:40
oiaohmptrace by upstart was attempting to fix the same fault.Apr 17 18:40
oiaohmPlease note upstart and other init replacements to sysvinit also attempted to fix the same fault.Apr 17 18:41
oiaohmShutdown errors exist well before systemdApr 17 18:41
MinceRsystemd -- bringing corner cases to everyone!Apr 17 18:42
oiaohmThat is correctApr 17 18:42
oiaohmsystemd brought the corner cases front and centre.Apr 17 18:42
MinceRnow YOU can get screwed by formerly obscure bugs! get systemd today!Apr 17 18:42
MinceRs/U/U too/Apr 17 18:43
oiaohmMost of the corner cases should not have existed if services had proper testing programs.Apr 17 18:43
oiaohmIt takes two to tango MinceRApr 17 18:44
oiaohmIf you follow history back with upstarts ptrace and demontools kill you will find that a lot of the problem services that hit systemd shutdown were listed not to use under those solutions.Apr 17 18:45
oiaohmSo there was a sweep bug under rung and hope it goes away and we never see it again going on.Apr 17 18:46
MinceRwas bash listed among them?Apr 17 18:46
oiaohmNotice how debian changed to using dash instead of bash in sysvinit.   That right bash has issues when used non interactive.Apr 17 18:48
MinceRi'll take that as a noApr 17 18:48
MinceRso why break it?Apr 17 18:48
oiaohmThe answer was yesApr 17 18:48
MinceRi doubt bash has issues saving the nonexistent command history when running non-interactivelyApr 17 18:48
MinceRalso, if a service is broken, i can stop using it and switch to an alternativeApr 17 18:49
MinceRin poettering's world, if systemd is broken, what do i get to do?Apr 17 18:49
MinceRbuy windows?Apr 17 18:49
oiaohmMinceR: bash is not design to multi  process.   This is why you watch bash when ended keep on trashing command line history and it also does other thing wrong.Apr 17 18:50
oiaohmMinceR: bash is a really bad example.Apr 17 18:50
oiaohmsysvinit single process line bash works all right.  when distributions altered sysvinit to multi process bash fault came out.Apr 17 18:52
MinceRwhat the hell are you talking about?Apr 17 18:52
MinceRrc uses bash noninteractivelyApr 17 18:52
MinceRnoninteractive bash has absolutely no reason to save command historyApr 17 18:52
MinceRand users can run 0, 1 or more instances of bash interactively regardless of init or rc or what-have-you.Apr 17 18:53
oiaohmThat is not the only non interactive fail.Apr 17 18:53
oiaohmYou can tell bash in non intertarcive to save history.Apr 17 18:53
MinceRand systemd will happily SIGKILL them all without warning because cgroups aren't finished.Apr 17 18:53
MinceRwhy would i tell it to?Apr 17 18:53
MinceRwhat's the point?Apr 17 18:53
MinceRwhat will it save?Apr 17 18:53
oiaohmMinceR: it called debugging options.Apr 17 18:54
MinceRso why is rc running bash with debugging options in normal operation?Apr 17 18:54
MinceRhow are debugging options relevant to systemd not shutting down properly?Apr 17 18:55
oiaohmYou raised bash I did not.Apr 17 18:55
oiaohmsysvinit is not design for bash.  It was designed for standard posix shell.   Bash is massively extended and not all those features are properly veted.Apr 17 18:56
oiaohmYes a few cases when bash goes wrong its fairly much a fork bomb.Apr 17 18:57
MinceRpeople complained they were losing shell history under cancerd.Apr 17 18:57
MinceRthey did not under sysvinit.Apr 17 18:57
MinceRno amount of equivocation will fix it.Apr 17 18:57
MinceRonly rethinking the design of systemd and reimplementing the whole thing will.Apr 17 18:58
oiaohmWithout cancerd I start two xterms with bash.Apr 17 18:58
oiaohmWhen I exist those what history will exist.Apr 17 18:58
oiaohmexist/exitApr 17 18:58
oiaohmWhen I exit those what history will exist?Apr 17 18:58
oiaohmMinceR: do you know the answer to that question?Apr 17 18:59
oiaohmThe answer is the last one to be closed because the first one to be closed will have it history file alterations overwritten.Apr 17 18:59
oiaohmand bash is not writing history as it going.Apr 17 19:00
cubexyzactually unix v8 history is persistantApr 17 19:00
MinceRoiaohm: do i care? i use zsh and sysvinit.Apr 17 19:00
cubexyzI'm sure there's a way to do it with modern bash Apr 17 19:00
oiaohmYep cubexyz is right v8 history in fact works.Apr 17 19:00
oiaohmand it saves as you go.Apr 17 19:00
oiaohmSo that bash losing history under systemd is part systemd and part broken bash.Apr 17 19:01
cubexyzalso v8,v9 and v10 are available nowApr 17 19:01
cubexyzthey were released about a month agoApr 17 19:01
cubexyzI always thought it was careless of bell labs not to keep it goingApr 17 19:02
oiaohmMinceR: debian designed dash to include everything sysvinit requirements expect to be there. zsh is missing stuff.Apr 17 19:03
MinceRoiaohm: do you see me complain about zsh missing features i need?Apr 17 19:04
oiaohmMinceR: you might if you attempt to use a services sysvinit script that you have not used before.Apr 17 19:04
cubexyzof course v8 uses the bourne shell, not bashApr 17 19:04
MinceRdid i say i ran rc on zsh?Apr 17 19:04
MinceRrc uses whatever its shebang lines say it should use.Apr 17 19:04
oiaohmYep sysvinit is designed for bourne shell and dash is quite close.Apr 17 19:05
cubexyzI archive anything important or useful that I type in bashApr 17 19:05
MinceR:)Apr 17 19:05
oiaohmMinceR: if you only have zsh installed /bin/sh end up pointing to zsh on lots of systems leading to some really strange fails.Apr 17 19:05
MinceRdid i say i only had zsh installed?Apr 17 19:06
MinceRso many assumptions.Apr 17 19:06
oiaohmMinceR: also I cannot remember if zsh saves history as it goes or if it like bash and just keep on nuking the history file.Apr 17 19:07
MinceRiirc it's configurableApr 17 19:08
oiaohmSo it can be set sane or insane on history handling?Apr 17 19:08
MinceRiirc yesApr 17 19:08
MinceRi have setopt appendhistoryApr 17 19:08
MinceRand it writes commands immediately to ~/.histfile as i run themApr 17 19:09
oiaohmSo it could be made work with correctly with systemd shutdown by force.Apr 17 19:09
MinceRthough it doesn't read them back so i can't immediately recall something i just ran in another zsh from historyApr 17 19:09
MinceRyes, systemd's brokenness doesn't affect zsh in this caseApr 17 19:09
MinceRbut i doubt the complaining people were using zsh, let alone with this setupApr 17 19:10
oiaohmThis is the thing a lot of complains about systemd brokenness is also brokenness in what they were using.Apr 17 19:10
oiaohmAnd it simpler to blame systemd than fix the brokenness.Apr 17 19:10
MinceRsomehow it worked with sysvinitApr 17 19:11
MinceRsomebody forced systemd on themApr 17 19:11
MinceRand now it's brokenApr 17 19:11
MinceRand you're surprised?Apr 17 19:11
oiaohmReally when bash running multi xterms were have the same problem.Apr 17 19:11
oiaohmpeople got really good at ignoring that problem.Apr 17 19:12
oiaohmsystemd just added a new way for it to happen.Apr 17 19:12
MinceRyes, which happened to be a really broken way to do normal shutdownsApr 17 19:13
oiaohmThis is the thing a lot of time were broken before systemd and we had got really good at ignoring that.Apr 17 19:14
oiaohmEven so if you were running many bash instances and sysvinit sent sig messages it was still random luck what history got saved.Apr 17 19:15
MinceRso, since people complained about this issue showing up with bash, that makes shutting down with SIGKILL without warning acceptable? interesting.Apr 17 19:15
oiaohmsystemd and logind made it clear with no history.Apr 17 19:15
MinceRsounds like cognitive dissonance to meApr 17 19:15
oiaohmI did not say SIGKILL without warnning was acceptable.  Systemd latter on fixed that fault.Apr 17 19:16
oiaohmBut bash history is still in bash.Apr 17 19:16
oiaohmbut bash history bug is still in bash.Apr 17 19:17
oiaohmSo we have blamed systemd and then never fixed the other fault so something else will trigger it in future.Apr 17 19:17
oiaohmSo its swept back under the rug.Apr 17 19:17
oiaohmSo I see a big issue with blame systemd for all the faults.  This means all the faults are not getting fixed.Apr 17 19:19
MinceRwow, we have blamed systemd for a bug in systemdApr 17 19:21
MinceRhow DARE we.Apr 17 19:21
oiaohmMinceR: and ingored the bug in bash.Apr 17 19:22
MinceRlet's just assume systemd is perfect and carry on never fixing any bugs in it!Apr 17 19:22
oiaohmDo note that systemd did fix that bug.Apr 17 19:22
oiaohmof it own.Apr 17 19:22
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oiaohmMinceR: like it or not systemd has been progressively fixing it bugs.   But the problems that had issues with systemd most of them are still unfixed.Apr 17 19:23
MinceR_after_ it was forced into debian "stable".Apr 17 19:24
MinceRapparently testing is for losers.Apr 17 19:24
MinceRwell, they certainly learned this from their idols at m$.Apr 17 19:24
oiaohmRead the Linux kernel mailing list some time around the attempts to get cgroup fixes done.Apr 17 19:25
oiaohmYou will find they had to get into 2 to 3 stable classed distributions to get patches in.Apr 17 19:25
MinceRin other words, they had to sacrifice 2 to 3 distributions to get their own shit fixed.Apr 17 19:26
oiaohmTo get kernel shit fixed.Apr 17 19:26
MinceRand we can expect them try to do the same in the futureApr 17 19:26
oiaohmThis was part Linux kernel policy fail.Apr 17 19:26
MinceRto hell with the kernel if there are no stable OSes it can be used in.Apr 17 19:26
oiaohmThis was changed after that.Apr 17 19:26
oiaohmSo should never happen again.Apr 17 19:26
MinceRand no, "we'll eventually fuck up your machines running it" is not a stable OS policy.Apr 17 19:27
oiaohmSo that is one of the bugs that got fixed because of systemd.Apr 17 19:27
MinceRno, it should never have been allowed to happen.Apr 17 19:27
MinceRever.Apr 17 19:27
MinceRand people who pull this sort of shit should never again be allowed a career in IT.Apr 17 19:27
MinceRever.Apr 17 19:27
oiaohmNo one had bothered checking the policies if they were sane.Apr 17 19:27
MinceRthey should be moved into careers where they can make a positive contribution.Apr 17 19:27
oiaohmStable OS policy of debian have you read that.Apr 17 19:28
oiaohmIts not what you are thinking.Apr 17 19:28
oiaohmsystemd nightmare comes out of policy not being written the way you expect.Apr 17 19:28
oiaohmIts like secure parking.   Most places with secure parking it secure for them that they can impound you car to get payment.Apr 17 19:29
MinceRwell, i have experienced itApr 17 19:29
MinceRi've also seen what LTS means in debianlandApr 17 19:29
MinceR(it means "we might spend time on your issue if you pay us and we feel like it")Apr 17 19:30
MinceRalso, i don't need ratcrap looking for loopholes in the policies of my distro.Apr 17 19:30
oiaohmWhen loopholes in policy are found or purely incorrect policy is found it need to be fixed.Apr 17 19:31
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oiaohmMinceR: https://kernsec.org/wiki/index.php/Kernel_Self_Protection_Project  this project was able to start and get stuff merged into kernel because of what systemd did.Apr 17 19:32
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oiaohmMinceR: and the policy change it caused.Apr 17 19:32
MinceRfixed != abused to destroy the organizationApr 17 19:33
oiaohmMinceR: I wish those policy fixed did not require the pain that systemd caused.Apr 17 19:33
MinceRyet you support itApr 17 19:33
oiaohmcgroupv2 would have most likely come before systemd was release if the kernel policy had not existed.Apr 17 19:34
oiaohmThere is no real reason to-do another systemd mess now.Apr 17 19:35
oiaohmPlease note pulseaudio attempted to get that policy changed as well.Apr 17 19:35
MinceRwhy? there still are some surviving GNU/Linux distrosApr 17 19:35
MinceRi'm sure these slimy assholes would love to destroy those tooApr 17 19:35
oiaohmHow many of those are using DMDApr 17 19:36
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Apr 17 19:36
MinceR1, i guessApr 17 19:36
MinceRnot for long thoughApr 17 19:36
MinceRgiven the love for cancerd at the Gratis Windows FoundationApr 17 19:36
MinceRalso, they renamed DMD to Shepherd, afaikApr 17 19:36
oiaohmDMD is shorter to typeApr 17 19:37
MinceRgo complain to themApr 17 19:37
oiaohmSo there is only really one pure gnu/linux distribution.Apr 17 19:37
MinceRi don't call the shots thereApr 17 19:37
oiaohmeverything else is a mix.Apr 17 19:37
MinceRah, more excusesApr 17 19:38
MinceRif it was so important, perhaps they should have written dmd sooner.Apr 17 19:38
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oiaohmMinceR: please note shepherd/dmd uses hurd form of cgroups that is closer to cgroups v2 than cgroup v1.   So reason why dmd did not come sooner is they could not get Linux kernel fixed.Apr 17 19:40
MinceRirrelevantApr 17 19:41
oiaohmNo irrelevant that is a keystone problem.Apr 17 19:41
MinceRyeah, pay no attention to the man behind the curtainApr 17 19:42
oiaohmWithout that keystone making properly working init system on linux was next to impossible.Apr 17 19:42
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oiaohmProperly working in the sense you could mathamtically prove it correctly works.Apr 17 19:42
MinceRif the GNU project does not include an init/rc system, they do not get to complain that distros aren't using the GNU project init/rc system.Apr 17 19:43
MinceRi'd settle for a looser sense of "properly working", for nowApr 17 19:43
MinceRnot having to fight for the existence of the OS i'm using would be a great start.Apr 17 19:44
oiaohmMinceR: the problem was the prior model.Apr 17 19:45
MinceRi'm sure you'd like people to believe thatApr 17 19:46
MinceR"give poettering and his political scheming a free pass, that's not the problem!"Apr 17 19:46
oiaohmDo you know how the old model was for adding a feature to mainline Linux kernel.Apr 17 19:46
MinceRshouldn't matterApr 17 19:47
oiaohmIt does matter.Apr 17 19:47
oiaohmWhere should a new feature be deployed first.Apr 17 19:47
oiaohmUnder the old model can you answer?Apr 17 19:47
MinceRhttp://archive.is/2QGRXApr 17 19:48
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MinceRread this.Apr 17 19:48
oiaohmThat post systemd policy.    Old policy The answer is in a Distribution Kernel.   Then after proven to work in Distribution kernel with distribution userspace then merged to mainline. Apr 17 19:50
oiaohmMinceR: now as a end user do you want proto type stuff in your kernel as first call.Apr 17 19:51
MinceRnopeApr 17 19:51
MinceR"WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE!" is a pretty old policyApr 17 19:51
oiaohmThat is applied after it got to mainline.Apr 17 19:51
MinceRand i'm pretty sure that destroying userspace projects counts as breaking userspace.Apr 17 19:51
MinceRso if poettering and the other retards could keep their attempts to change the kernel inside the kernel project, that would be great.Apr 17 19:52
oiaohmYou really want prototype features going to the kernel mainline list and peer reviewed before users get anywhere near them as it is coming now.Apr 17 19:52
MinceRyes, i really want the distro i happen to be using not sacrificed in political games for the sake of prototype features going to mainlineApr 17 19:53
MinceRseriously.Apr 17 19:53
oiaohmIf the policy did not change the problem would have kept on going and going and going.Apr 17 19:54
oiaohm2012 a lead maintainer still cannot get the point of breaking the audio layer interface to user space is wrong.Apr 17 19:55
oiaohmand has to be ripped into by linusApr 17 19:55
MinceRat least it only affected pulseaudio, which was always broken anywayApr 17 19:55
oiaohmThen you wonder why pulseaudio had problems.Apr 17 19:55
MinceRit had problems because it was designed by a moron?Apr 17 19:55
oiaohmNo it did not effect only pulseaudioApr 17 19:55
oiaohmTurned out to break jack audio as well.Apr 17 19:56
oiaohmand a few alsa direct using applications.Apr 17 19:56
oiaohmhe was quite successful.Apr 17 19:56
MinceRi wonder if this success was due to support by ratcrap's board of directorsApr 17 19:56
MinceRand ratcrap's control over gnomeApr 17 19:56
oiaohmI like how the maintainer went blame pulseaudio for the fault Linus found out it was not just pulseaudio.  This is my problem I have seen a lot of sweep bug under rug blaming either pulseaudio or systemd for faults that are not 100 percent them.Apr 17 19:59
oiaohmThat case you had it absolutely was not pulseaudioApr 17 19:59
oiaohmYes systemd and pulseaudio have done a lot wrong.  But there is a lot wrong that end up blaming both so they don't have to fix their faults.Apr 17 20:01
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cubexyzwell, there's slack and openbsd and other alternativesApr 17 22:17
cubexyzno need to be forced into systemdApr 17 22:17
oiaohmcubexyz: but then they would have to learn a init system that is not sysvinit that in fact works.Apr 17 22:19
oiaohmcubexyz: that is with BSD because the BSD init system matchs how the BSD kernels work.Apr 17 22:22
cubexyzI can run old sysvinit on FC1Apr 17 22:23
oiaohmI did not start on Linux I started on Freebsd.  Apr 17 22:24
cubexyzbut I have no problem learning about other init systemsApr 17 22:24
oiaohmSo when I came to Linux I found a lot of sysvinit issue that people would just work around.Apr 17 22:24
oiaohmthat I was not happy to have to work around.Apr 17 22:24
cubexyzvector linux isn't even that differentApr 17 22:25
cubexyzinit 4 = full multiuserApr 17 22:25
cubexyzwith XApr 17 22:25
cubexyzok, so it's a little differentApr 17 22:25
cubexyzyou can learn the differences in one dayApr 17 22:26
oiaohmBiggest issues with BSD kernels is lack of driver support.Apr 17 22:26
cubexyzrunlevel 0 = haltApr 17 22:27
oiaohmDifferences between Linux and Freebsd normally can be covered in 8 hours of training.Apr 17 22:27
cubexyzthere's some things I didn't like about Fedora, but that happened later onApr 17 22:27
oiaohmPlease note Linux using systemd does not make it any worse because you had to learn the BSD init system anyhow.Apr 17 22:28
cubexyzfopen ("/dev/usb/scanner0", "wb"); <- this doesn't work in new fedora, but worked in old fedoraApr 17 22:28
oiaohmBSD init and sysvinit are very different to start off with.Apr 17 22:28
cubexyzdidn't like that at allApr 17 22:28
cubexyzit's not just init changesApr 17 22:29
oiaohmcubexyz: I don't have the scanner I though /dev/usb/scanner0 is still there.  Is it the b bit?Apr 17 22:31
cubexyzand kooka got borked up Apr 17 22:31
cubexyzoiaohm, I don't have access to any new fedora machines to check, just a secApr 17 22:32
cubexyzwifi on the LAN is a bit problematic still :-/Apr 17 22:34
oiaohmcubexyz: sorry I forgot I have a script in my udev putting the old stuff back.Apr 17 22:34
cubexyzonce I close the lid on the laptop it drops the wifi connectionApr 17 22:34
cubexyzok, there's no /dev/usb at all in fedora 14Apr 17 22:35
oiaohmUnless you put a udev rule in to create it.Apr 17 22:35
cubexyzoh? I wouldn't mind seeing that scriptApr 17 22:35
oiaohmIt the change over to using /dev/busApr 17 22:36
cubexyzwould that work on slackware as well?Apr 17 22:36
cubexyzah, it's not a big deal but I still wouldn't mind using the old hp 5200c scanner with my own programsApr 17 22:37
oiaohmhttp://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#example-printer  using udev rules you can symlink stuff all over the place.Apr 17 22:39
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oiaohminside the dev directory.Apr 17 22:39
cubexyzjust look at that obfuscated crapApr 17 22:41
oiaohmcubexyz: do be careful you can symlink stuff into a loop if you are not careful.Apr 17 22:41
cubexyzinstead of /dev/lp0 there's /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb1/1-1Apr 17 22:42
cubexyzand people wonder why I maintain older systemsApr 17 22:42
cubexyzdo I constantly plug and unplug my printers and scanners? NOApr 17 22:43
cubexyzit's stupidApr 17 22:43
cubexyzalthought a scanner with wifi that every computer can access might be niceApr 17 22:44
cubexyzI don't think I have a udevinfo command on anythingApr 17 22:45
cubexyzoh wait, there it is in /usr/binApr 17 22:47
oiaohmcubexyz: that is a old page "udevadm info" is the new command name because people complained about having too many udev commands.Apr 17 22:47
cubexyzI have no idea how kolourpaint resolves it, but I'll check it out sometimeApr 17 22:49
oiaohmudevadm is 6 different udev executables merge into 1.Apr 17 22:50
cubexyzthe flourescent tube in the old hp 5200c is getting dim, but it's more of an educational exercise than anythingApr 17 22:50
cubexyzmy scanner fixing needs improving :-/Apr 17 22:52
cubexyzso far I haven't managed to fix anyApr 17 22:52
oiaohmThat is not the one with the easy to open end panel to extract the tube.Apr 17 22:52
cubexyzuh, if you know of an easy to open ones please list themApr 17 22:53
cubexyzeasy to open with known communication protocols :)Apr 17 22:53
oiaohmcubexyz: sorry the easy to open one is for A0 paper.Apr 17 22:54
cubexyzoh yeah and there was another problem as wellApr 17 22:55
cubexyzthe calibration strip is dirty or compromisedApr 17 22:55
oiaohmHP calibration strips also fade.Apr 17 22:56
cubexyzyou've probably seen the effects of that: lines in the scanApr 17 22:56
oiaohmLets not use UV stable ink near a follerenset light.Apr 17 22:56
cubexyzfluor-res-cent :)Apr 17 22:57
cubexyzI spelt it wrong too I thinkApr 17 22:57
cubexyzfluor not flourApr 17 22:57
cubexyzflu-or-res-centApr 17 22:58
cubexyzflu-o-res-centApr 17 22:58
cubexyzonly one rApr 17 22:58
oiaohmcubexyz: in the 5000 series there is one that is fixable simple takes a normal  fluorescent tube as well.  Its the one for A0 kinda the scanner from hell.Apr 17 22:59
oiaohmThe head does not move the rollers move the page as well.Apr 17 22:59
cubexyznot an easy word to spellApr 17 22:59
cubexyzyes, I could replace the tube, but can I get a new calibration strip?Apr 17 23:00
oiaohmT8 standard tube.Apr 17 23:00
oiaohmThat larger saner tube has a issue target the nearest large light.Apr 17 23:00
cubexyzare you saying the calibration strip is damaged by UV light?Apr 17 23:01
oiaohmcubexyz: some of the hp calibration strips are.Apr 17 23:01
oiaohmyes the fluorescent tube puts of UV light so it doomed.Apr 17 23:02
oiaohmThis is what you call designed to fail.Apr 17 23:02
cubexyzand I think the CCD itself can go bad :-/Apr 17 23:02
cubexyzjust imagine the conversations I have with PDP-11 guys :)Apr 17 23:04
oiaohmReason for a A0 scanner is coping building plans.Apr 17 23:05
oiaohmThey are not cheep.Apr 17 23:05
cubexyzwasn't A0 close to the old empire size?Apr 17 23:06
cubexyzoh wait, A0 is really bigApr 17 23:07
cubexyzI'm thinking of A4 I thinkApr 17 23:07
oiaohmhttp://www.papersizes.org/us-paper-sizes.htm  You need to able to handle Arch E1.   In A the standard sizes for plans is A1 and A3Apr 17 23:08
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cubexyz8.5" x 11" Apr 17 23:08
oiaohm762 x 1067 mm30.0 x 42.0 in  That arch E1Apr 17 23:09
cubexyzor was it 8" x 11", can't rememberApr 17 23:09
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cubexyzA4 = 210 x 297 8.27 x 11.69Apr 17 23:09
cubexyzthat oneApr 17 23:09
cubexyzA4 is the closest to the old sizeApr 17 23:10
oiaohm8.5"  11inchs long for standard or 14 inchs long for legal.Apr 17 23:10
cubexyzrightApr 17 23:10
oiaohmFor some reason legal given the more paper so they woffle more.Apr 17 23:10
cubexyzletter size, I think they called itApr 17 23:10
cubexyzand there was also foolscap :)Apr 17 23:11
cubexyz8" x 13"Apr 17 23:11
cubexyzlots of odd sizesApr 17 23:12
oiaohmArch E is bigger than Arch E1 most Arch E is that big if you are holding on to it and get a wind you are going off you feet so it was not that liked for building plans for some reason.Apr 17 23:13
cubexyzmustek had a big scanner, but I forget how big it wasApr 17 23:13
oiaohmI hope I never see a 4A0 page.Apr 17 23:14
oiaohmas a plan.Apr 17 23:14
oiaohm1682 x 2378mm that is just getting to insane for a bit of paper.Apr 17 23:15
cubexyzhttps://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/2011/03/02/21-things-that-will-be-obsolete-by-2020/Apr 17 23:31
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oiaohmMost of that is not going to happen.Apr 17 23:34
cubexyzschools won't decrease their paper consumption by 90%? :)Apr 17 23:35
cubexyzI wonder if paper use is down, it must be decreasing somewhatApr 17 23:35
cubexyzat least I don't bother with newspapersApr 17 23:40
cubexyzholy moley, does betanews ever suckApr 17 23:53
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TweetTuxMachines                 FFmpeg 3.3 https://t.co/M309STuAH1 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 01:49
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TweetTuxMachines                 Will Razer Ever Wake Up and Smell the Roses? Apr 18 02:07
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/EQoCnIic3g (www.ossblog.org) "Razer DriversApr 18 02:07
TweetTuxMachines                 for Linux Project"Apr 18 02:07
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oiaohmMinceR: bsd has there own versions of time and hostname setting part of the core project.  Apr 18 02:09
oiaohmMinceR: the core of bsd is everything core in one project.Apr 18 02:10
MinceRhttp://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/nicholas-cage-you-dont-say.gifApr 18 02:10
schestowitzwhat an expressionApr 18 02:12
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TweetTuxMachines                 Taskwarrior-Web : A Web Interface for Taskwarrior todoApr 18 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Application https://t.co/hdBQYFr1jq (www.2daygeek.com)Apr 18 02:16
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/LBlHZx1.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/Ri4vG )Apr 18 02:20
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TweetTuxMachines                 SPACK: A Package Manager for Supercomputers, Linux, andApr 18 02:23
TweetTuxMachines                 MacOS https://t.co/T8Zuf2W42h (insidehpc.com)Apr 18 02:23
TweetTuxMachines                 Switzerland HPC ConferenceApr 18 02:23
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TweetTuxMachines                 Ultimate Edition 5.4 Looks to Be the First Linux DistroApr 18 02:23
TweetTuxMachines                 Based on Ubuntu 17.04 https://t.co/qEQd4c4HBJApr 18 02:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ultimate Edition 5.4 Looks to Be the First Linux Distro Based on Ubuntu 17.04 | Tux MachinesApr 18 02:23
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TweetTuxMachines                 Solus GNOME Edition Released Along with New ISO SnapshotsApr 18 02:23
TweetTuxMachines                 of Budgie and MATE https://t.co/zaZxGZuFLhApr 18 02:23
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oiaohmMinceR: really you like being a smart ass who does not know the topic.  Like don't like how systemd is expanding the list of what a Init system needs to contain.  The shock reality is BSD and Solaris and most Unix had the feature set that systemd is putting in one group as part of their init system development.Apr 18 02:28
MinceRnow you're just making shit upApr 18 02:29
oiaohmMinceR: so systemd doing that is not going in Windows direction.   It windows who had init system development as a independent department to everything else leading to stack of stupid hacks..Apr 18 02:29
oiaohmMinceR: I am not.Apr 18 02:29
oiaohmWhen it does not suit your world view you say its making shit up.Apr 18 02:30
MinceRBSD having the rest of their code in the same project or repo as their init/rc system is not the same as your beloved piece of malware trying to take over everythingApr 18 02:30
oiaohmTo exactly follow BSD the kernel and init systems need to be in the same project.Apr 18 02:30
MinceRyou keep looking for loopholes and ways to equivocate to try and make poettering's atrocious "design" look good and acceptedApr 18 02:30
oiaohmNo your arguements are full of holes.Apr 18 02:31
oiaohmI have not said that systemd design is good or perfect.Apr 18 02:31
oiaohmWhat systemd is doing is not modeled off of windows.Apr 18 02:31
oiaohmIn quality systemd is still lacking in many places.Apr 18 02:32
MinceRyet you spare no breath to defend itApr 18 02:32
oiaohmsysvinit is also atrocious design.Apr 18 02:32
oiaohmSo I have to choose between horible and less horrible.Apr 18 02:33
MinceRand even to defend the practice of using all the tricks from m$'s book to force that malicious shit on people who don't need it and don't want itApr 18 02:33
MinceRno, you need to become honestApr 18 02:33
oiaohmMS did not invent those tricks.Apr 18 02:33
oiaohmIBM did with AIXApr 18 02:33
MinceRyeah, i know, there are older robber barons aroundApr 18 02:33
oiaohmAgain not Microsoft.Apr 18 02:33
MinceRusually outside ITApr 18 02:33
MinceRso, when did AIX start supporting x86?Apr 18 02:33
oiaohmIts not Microsoft who has been copied.Apr 18 02:33
oiaohmHave you run Linux on AIX systems.Apr 18 02:34
oiaohmFUD is a IBM term.Apr 18 02:34
oiaohmMicrosoft mostly does not have a playbook.Apr 18 02:35
oiaohmInstead Microsoft copied bits out of other groups playbooks.Apr 18 02:35
cubexyzFUD is also a mexican food :)Apr 18 02:35
cubexyzthanks wikipediaApr 18 02:35
MinceRwell, m$ schooled IBM at this game when they got m$-DOS to be forced on PCsApr 18 02:35
cubexyzyeah Amdahl was FUDed by IBMApr 18 02:36
cubexyzM$ wasn't the first to use itApr 18 02:36
oiaohmIBM got over believing in their playbook and did not believe something the size Microsoft at the time could use their playbook against them.  That is how IBM fell for the MS-Dos trap.Apr 18 02:36
oiaohmOld saying pride comes before a fall.  So true for IBM.Apr 18 02:37
cubexyzalso I'd say FOSS trumps AIXApr 18 02:37
cubexyzno reason to run AIXApr 18 02:37
MinceRno reason to run lendows eitherApr 18 02:37
cubexyzjust another 4.3BSD deriative Apr 18 02:38
oiaohmMinceR: sad part is IBM in fact trained Microsoft staff in the IBM playbook.Apr 18 02:38
MinceR[citation needed]Apr 18 02:38
cubexyzderivative ratherApr 18 02:38
cubexyzIBM invented DMS and ummmm what elseApr 18 02:39
cubexyzoh yeah, OS/360 of courseApr 18 02:39
cubexyzDEC were the upstartsApr 18 02:40
oiaohmMinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt  first use of FUD in IT field was IBM.  If you back track every one of Microsoft marketing stunts first usage is almost always IBM.Apr 18 02:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fear, uncertainty and doubt - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/qrqok ]Apr 18 02:40
MinceRoiaohm: i mean on IBM training m$ staff in thisApr 18 02:40
cubexyzIBM actually made some FOSS operating systems thoughApr 18 02:41
cubexyzDMS and OS/360, there's source code freely availableApr 18 02:41
oiaohmMinceR: joint market team and development for Windows NT and Windows 3.xxApr 18 02:41
cubexyzso IBM is less evil that M$Apr 18 02:41
oiaohmMinceR: also joint marketing team for PC-Dos and MS-DosApr 18 02:41
cubexyzM$ has open sourced next to nothingApr 18 02:42
MinceRcubexyz: IBM turned into a crApple shill recentlyApr 18 02:42
oiaohmMinceR: it really simple to forget the joint development times between Microsoft and IBM where Microsoft learnt so many of it dirty tricks.Apr 18 02:43
cubexyzalso I think there's source for VM/370, and the source code bonanza ended thereApr 18 02:43
oiaohmMinceR: even the recent patent warfare Microsoft has been doing IBM was doing that in hardware first.Apr 18 02:44
MinceRthat's not the same as trainingApr 18 02:44
oiaohmMicrosoft employed some X ibm staff into their legal team.Apr 18 02:44
MinceRat least hw patents tend to involve more than just a vague ideaApr 18 02:44
oiaohmSome of IBM old patents make software patents look explaining.Apr 18 02:45
oiaohmvague idea patent was done in a hardware patent by IBM first.Apr 18 02:46
oiaohmWish I could remember the number it basically means if you alter a magnetic field to store data you breach patent.Apr 18 02:47
cubexyzlet me guessApr 18 02:47
cubexyzan IBM patent?Apr 18 02:47
oiaohmits 1960sApr 18 02:47
oiaohmWell and truly expired.Apr 18 02:47
cubexyzhow about this one:Apr 18 02:48
oiaohmAnd before IBM meet Microsoft.Apr 18 02:48
cubexyzhttps://www.google.com/patents/US3171754Apr 18 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patent US3171754 - Magnetic storage medium for magneto-optical readout - Google PatentsApr 18 02:48
cubexyzthere's a bunch more listed at the bottomApr 18 02:49
cubexyzmakes me wonder how they stored data before hard drives existedApr 18 02:50
oiaohmhttps://www.google.com/patents/US3328195   <<Its this one.Apr 18 02:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patent US3328195 - Magnetic recording medium with two storage layers for recording different ... - Google PatentsApr 18 02:51
oiaohmBe that tape, disc... Its got you covered.Apr 18 02:51
oiaohmIts the define of vague.Apr 18 02:52
cubexyzwire recording goes much further back actuallyApr 18 02:52
cubexyzand that's still magneticApr 18 02:52
oiaohmLike who is going to want to do a single sided tape or disc.Apr 18 02:52
oiaohmDoes it now explain how in the 1980 why we had so many single sided discs.Apr 18 02:53
cubexyzthey coated both sides with oxide I thinkApr 18 02:53
cubexyzthus there were flippies :)Apr 18 02:54
oiaohmLot did because the patent only applied if it was setup to be writable.Apr 18 02:54
oiaohmSo starting the great after market disc notching.Apr 18 02:54
cubexyzhold on a sec... Apr 18 02:55
cubexyzmy audio cassettes used both sidesApr 18 02:56
cubexyzgot one right hereApr 18 02:56
oiaohmYep and that was in breach of the patent.Apr 18 02:56
oiaohmNo that wrong.Apr 18 02:56
oiaohmAudio cassettes only use one side of the magentic media.Apr 18 02:56
oiaohmAll bar 8 track of course.Apr 18 02:57
cubexyzno :)Apr 18 02:57
cubexyzside A and side BApr 18 02:57
oiaohm4 tracks on the tape.Apr 18 02:57
oiaohm2 used in one direction 2 used in the other.Apr 18 02:57
cubexyzbut you flip the cassette to play the other sideApr 18 02:58
oiaohmIf someone wanted to be a jackass they could have attempted to apply us3328195 against at tape because it had side a and side b on it.Apr 18 02:58
oiaohmcubexyz: you are seeing how super vague that patent is.Apr 18 02:58
cubexyzthere were _some_ 4 track recordersApr 18 02:59
oiaohmBefore we had software patents we already had patent problems.Apr 18 02:59
cubexyzI'm talking normal cassette player hereApr 18 02:59
cubexyzyou flip the cassette, end of storyApr 18 02:59
cubexyzI did say cassette Apr 18 03:00
oiaohmUS3171754 is your first rewritable cd techApr 18 03:01
cubexyzwait hold on... I'm not positiveApr 18 03:01
cubexyzit's still using the same side isn't it... sorry :)Apr 18 03:01
oiaohmus3328195 is vague enough that you could have won it with a idiot jury.Apr 18 03:02
cubexyzit's just flipping the tape 180 degreesApr 18 03:02
oiaohmAll you would have to do is get the jury to ignore that it not in fact double sided as the patent states.Apr 18 03:04
cubexyzI thought there was something that used both sides Apr 18 03:04
oiaohmcubexyz: your bigger reel to reel tape decks some of those are double sided.Apr 18 03:05
oiaohmTrue double sided.Apr 18 03:05
oiaohmSome of the new backup tape drives are now appear using double sided proper.Apr 18 03:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854218858399510528Apr 18 03:10
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TweetTuxMachines                 I reverse engineered a motherboardApr 18 04:22
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TweetTuxMachines                 What’s new with NetworkManager? https://t.co/k4NU3j9ixvApr 18 04:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.certdepot.net) "a lot of things have changed."Apr 18 04:33
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TweetTuxMachines                 Latte Dock – An anchor for your Plasma stuff?Apr 18 05:10
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TweetTuxMachines                 Galaxy S8 vs. iPhone 7 Plus and every top Android phone:Apr 18 05:39
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/LWXBrTk8QY (techrights.org)Apr 18 10:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854348401063981056Apr 18 11:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Systemd again (or how to obliterate your system)Apr 18 11:06
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/lwKzB5jaA4 (www.preining.info)Apr 18 11:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Systemd again (or how to obliterate your system) |Apr 18 11:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854350336630325249Apr 18 11:08
TweetTuxMachines                 GNOME 3.24 Release Party – Back in timeApr 18 11:08
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/p5Sp57mo4i (feaneron.com)Apr 18 11:08
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feaneron.com | 3.24 Release Party – Back in time | Georges StavracasApr 18 11:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854350951821578240Apr 18 11:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Call for Proposals for DebConf17 Open DayApr 18 11:12
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/xFmehASdrI (bits.debian.org)Apr 18 11:12
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bits.debian.org | Bits from Debian - Call for Proposals for DebConf17 Open DayApr 18 11:12
schestowitz#openwashing of #windows proprietary blobs with #javaApr 18 11:12
schestowitzhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/160649Apr 18 11:12
schestowitzWhy not make a version for platform that's not malware w/ back doors?Apr 18 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | New release tau-argus version 4.1.5 | JoinupApr 18 11:12
MinceRsuch platforms are not "modern"Apr 18 11:14
MinceRjust ask poetteringApr 18 11:14
schestowitzyeah, well...Apr 18 11:24
schestowitzI don't think he wants to talkApr 18 11:24
schestowitzhe locks down threads on bug reportsApr 18 11:24
schestowitzI guess not unafraid to be seen as a tyrant who censors criticwApr 18 11:24
schestowitz*criticsApr 18 11:25
MinceR:>Apr 18 11:26
MinceRone too many negations thereApr 18 11:26
schestowitzCompare https://www.twitteraudit.com/epoorg to http://techrights.org/2017/01/27/twitter-audit-for-epo/ (January)Apr 18 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.twitteraudit.com | @EPOorg's Audit | Twitter Audit | Audit your Twitter followers.Apr 18 11:28
schestowitz#epo purchasing spree of fake "followers" stopped thanks to us reporting?Apr 18 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The European Spam Office: 37% of Twitter ‘Followers’ Are Fake, Maybe Even Paid For (Waste of EPO Budget) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/qrsb8 ]Apr 18 11:28
schestowitz:-)Apr 18 11:28
schestowitzseems soApr 18 11:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854357765460029440Apr 18 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Bird Watching: An openSUSE Maker ProjectApr 18 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/xEieu9v8jH (news.opensuse.org)Apr 18 11:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | openSUSE NewsApr 18 11:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854358353748914178Apr 18 11:45
TweetTuxMachines                 My Favorite Features/Changes Of The Linux 4.11 KernelApr 18 11:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/wrov304vjn (www.phoronix.com)Apr 18 11:45
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My Favorite Features/Changes Of The Linux 4.11 Kernel - PhoronixApr 18 11:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854360041511669760Apr 18 11:50
TweetTuxMachines                 A Look At Some Of The Changes So Far For LibreOffice 5.4Apr 18 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/f2D24npTY4 (www.phoronix.com)Apr 18 11:51
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Look At Some Of The Changes So Far For LibreOffice 5.4 - PhoronixApr 18 11:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854361583232987136Apr 18 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Announcing a new fun venture for me: Our sister siteApr 18 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 LifeOnLinux https://t.co/Z5rpNDa1NmApr 18 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Apr 18 11:54
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Announcing a new fun venture for me: Our sister site LifeOnLinux | GamingOnLinuxApr 18 11:54
schestowitzPR stunt. Ha! And #microsoft also secretly helps the #nsa by inserting back doors into everything https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170416/18392937164/microsoft-latest-service-provider-to-pry-national-security-letter-free-gag-order.shtml see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSAApr 18 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Latest Service Provider To Pry A National Security Letter Free From Its Gag Order | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/qrshb ]Apr 18 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1zod ]Apr 18 12:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854362462124199936Apr 18 12:17
TweetTuxMachines                 A Linux story, why I got into Linux and what it means toApr 18 12:17
TweetTuxMachines                 me https://t.co/PoH8WyaDpK (www.lifeonlinux.com)Apr 18 12:17
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Linux story, why I got into Linux and what it means to me | LifeOnLinuxApr 18 12:17
*TweetTuxMachines @ApsOps favourited 'Events: Linux Plumbers Conference, CloudNativeCon and KubeCon Europe...'Apr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854368436872331264Apr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 LLVM Clang 3.9.1, Clang 4.0 & GCC 6.3 With Intel's ClearApr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux https://t.co/Ed6qMjI2Rh (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LLVM Clang 3.9.1, Clang 4.0 & GCC 6.3 With Intel's Clear Linux | Tux MachinesApr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854368448515670016Apr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Announcing a new fun venture for me: Our sister siteApr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 LifeOnLinux https://t.co/yEZjIgxQWw (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/G7ejbaLGbAApr 18 12:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcing a new fun venture for me: Our sister site LifeOnLinux | Tux MachinesApr 18 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Announcing a new fun venture for me: Our sister site LifeOnLinux https://t.co/yEZjIgxQWw https://t.co/G7ejbaLGbAApr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854368459609653249Apr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 ExTiX 17.4 – “The Ultimate Linux System” – with LXQtApr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 0.11.1, Nvidia 381.09 and kernel 4.10.0-19-exton – BuildApr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 170418 https://t.co/2mJ2gu1t4v (twitter.com)Apr 18 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/kslKLzf7Y8Apr 18 12:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ExTiX 17.4 – “The Ultimate Linux System” – with LXQt 0.11.1, Nvidia 381.09 and kernel 4.10.0-19-exton – Build 170418 | Tux MachinesApr 18 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: ExTiX 17.4 – “The Ultimate Linux System” – with LXQt 0.11.1, Nvidia 381.09 and kernel 4.10.0-19-exton – Build 17041… https://t.co/ghrbMk4bYGApr 18 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: ExTiX 17.4 – “The Ultimate Linux System” – with LXQt 0.11.1, Nvidia 381.09 and kernel 4.10.0-19-exton – Build 17041… https://t.co/ghrbMk4bYGApr 18 12:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854368468287631361Apr 18 12:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Raspberry Pi pulse generator HAT targets motor controlApr 18 12:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/hnkC2VNpIe (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 12:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/hm7Qz6Wx4KApr 18 12:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi pulse generator HAT targets motor control | Tux MachinesApr 18 12:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Raspberry Pi pulse generator HAT targets motor control https://t.co/hnkC2VNpIe https://t.co/hm7Qz6Wx4KApr 18 12:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854376891775500288Apr 18 12:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Hardened Node.js distro comes to Docker-friendly AlpineApr 18 12:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux https://t.co/kZlHSxfVdm (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 12:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/H4ICo99xsJApr 18 12:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hardened Node.js distro comes to Docker-friendly Alpine Linux | Tux MachinesApr 18 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Hardened Node.js distro comes to Docker-friendly Alpine Linux https://t.co/kZlHSxfVdm https://t.co/H4ICo99xsJApr 18 12:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854376894401097728Apr 18 12:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux 4.10.11 https://t.co/PSLFg0G5IoApr 18 12:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 12:52
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.10.11 | Tux MachinesApr 18 12:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854376900927512578Apr 18 12:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers https://t.co/0nEkpVj0W1Apr 18 12:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 12:52
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesApr 18 12:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854376904232648704Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Debian https://t.co/a2dgsi7tDFApr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 13:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian | Tux MachinesApr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385800145805312Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/oooB1Jtk8fApr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 13:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux MachinesApr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385809725640705Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 5 Open Source companies to watch in 2017Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6CkptTEw56 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/oKh0jFqypiApr 18 13:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Open Source companies to watch in 2017 | Tux MachinesApr 18 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: 5 Open Source companies to watch in 2017 https://t.co/6CkptTEw56 https://t.co/oKh0jFqypiApr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385811621519360Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Tizen and Android https://t.co/UTuEKFcEp0Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen and Android | Tux MachinesApr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385813395722240Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 System76, GNOME, and Ubuntu https://t.co/xetJNjngPWApr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76, GNOME, and Ubuntu | Tux MachinesApr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385820211466240Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Galaxy S8 and S8+ review: Another pair of excellentApr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 mainstream smartphones from SamsungApr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/X26RuuzO1R (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/QM7wmKCWNlApr 18 13:27
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Galaxy S8 and S8+ review: Another pair of excellent mainstream smartphones from Samsung | Tux MachinesApr 18 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Galaxy S8 and S8+ review: Another pair of excellent mainstream smartphones from Samsung https://t.co/X26RuuzO1R https://t.co/QM7wmKCWNlApr 18 13:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854385823877283842Apr 18 13:47
TweetTuxMachines                 ADAS development system runs Linux on TI’s TDA2XApr 18 13:47
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/02uvMM7Cfv (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 13:47
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ADAS development system runs Linux on TI’s TDA2X | Tux MachinesApr 18 13:47
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks And some of these people died, like...'Apr 18 14:06
TweetTuxMachines@kitkatp3rce3v4l  https://twitter.com/kitkatp3rce3v4l/status/854395767578144769Apr 18 14:16
TweetTuxMachines                 @tuxmachines https://t.co/ZzEv8Uo2KS (soundcloud.com)Apr 18 14:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #indiedev [Smiley tellement chouette que celui qui leApr 18 14:16
TweetTuxMachines                 voit devient mon ami pour la vie]Apr 18 14:16
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monkey Business [Official no human techno jazz orchestra] by NoHumanOrchestra | No Human Orchestra | Free Listening on SoundCloudApr 18 14:16
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@LCFC Great lineup. Hope they make final 4.'Apr 18 14:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Imagine what would happen if N Korea...'Apr 18 15:15
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@LCFC Hopes over. Cannot score 4 goals without...'Apr 18 15:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks "It is difficult to get a man...'Apr 18 15:26
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sholz0YoApr 18 15:33
sholz0Not a fan of Gates....just found your site.Apr 18 15:34
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Predated by other excellent work like (with...'Apr 18 15:35
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks #espionage against every election is always happening,...'Apr 18 15:36
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks US examples alone (which we know of,...'Apr 18 15:37
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks https://t.co/O05SFUOGEb'Apr 18 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | The long history of the U.S. interfering with elections elsewhere - The Washington PostApr 18 15:42
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/u3QNvyV.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/YSswY )Apr 18 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This made my day - Album on ImgurApr 18 16:05
sholz0Did anyone see the infowars hit piece today?Apr 18 16:07
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szczepanik3hello!Apr 18 16:20
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks "For the children", "freedom and democracy"... ...'Apr 18 16:35
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/Dda5pDq.jpgApr 18 17:00
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/vHpRsco.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/vHpRsco )Apr 18 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Bewildered beaver becomes accidental leader of 150 curious cowsApr 18 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bewildered beaver becomes accidental leader of 150 curious cows - GIF on ImgurApr 18 17:13
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@LCFC Out, but with respect and dignity (good...'Apr 18 17:21
MinceRhttps://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/everything-but-brexit-all-the-terrible-stuff-the-government-has-done-since-the-eu-referendumApr 18 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Everything But Brexit: All the Terrible Stuff the Government Has Done Since the EU Referendum - Vice [ http://ur1.ca/qrtoa ]Apr 18 17:33
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/systemd-gandalf.pngApr 18 17:43
cubexyzPoettering is a goofApr 18 17:43
cubexyzI don't like the way linux always drops the wifi connection when you close the lidApr 18 17:47
cubexyzwired is fine thoughApr 18 17:47
cubexyzit's not just Fedora either... Mint does the same thingApr 18 17:55
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cubexyzok, udevinfo does work on vectorApr 18 18:08
cubexyzugh, now I'm tracking versions of everything :-/Apr 18 18:11
cubexyzthe /sys/class stuff appears in fedora 14, vector (based on slack 12.1), slack 14.2, mint 18.1Apr 18 18:15
cubexyznot in zaurus, or FC1 or openbsd 4.7 Apr 18 18:16
cubexyzand no package contains udevinfo for slack Apr 18 18:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854460558279495680Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 Tiny Core: Small Footprint, Big PotentialApr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/as77WvMD1t (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/qifGCFfta1Apr 18 18:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny Core: Small Footprint, Big Potential | Tux MachinesApr 18 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Tiny Core: Small Footprint, Big Potential https://t.co/as77WvMD1t https://t.co/qifGCFfta1Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854460566529744896Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 UBports Recommends Buying Fairphone 2, OnePlus One orApr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 Nexus 5 as Ubuntu Phones https://t.co/u1iVIpeOINApr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/1mrXhYKc41Apr 18 18:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UBports Recommends Buying Fairphone 2, OnePlus One or Nexus 5 as Ubuntu Phones | Tux MachinesApr 18 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: UBports Recommends Buying Fairphone 2, OnePlus One or Nexus 5 as Ubuntu Phones https://t.co/u1iVIpeOIN https://t.co/1mrXhYKc41Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854460576176553984Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 Did North Korea Linux ripoff Apple’s macOS?Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/HFbIiL3Hhh (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/8TK5K9Keh5Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Did North Korea Linux ripoff Apple’s macOS? | Tux MachinesApr 18 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Did North Korea Linux ripoff Apple’s macOS? https://t.co/HFbIiL3Hhh https://t.co/8TK5K9Keh5Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854460609450057728Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 NVIDIA 381 Linux Beta vs. Linux 4.11 / Mesa 17.1 RadeonApr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 Comparison https://t.co/XggB5axMxl (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/3QBKS09Q7kApr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines Apr 18 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA 381 Linux Beta vs. Linux 4.11 / Mesa 17.1 Radeon Comparison | Tux MachinesApr 18 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: NVIDIA 381 Linux Beta vs. Linux 4.11 / Mesa 17.1 Radeon Comparison https://t.co/XggB5axMxl https://t.co/3QBKS09Q7kApr 18 18:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854460622225809408Apr 18 18:25
TweetTuxMachines                 Scientific Linux 6.9 Officially Released, Based on RedApr 18 18:25
TweetTuxMachines                 Hat Enterprise Linux 6.9 https://t.co/CYbjksEPThApr 18 18:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/NVE3uy4aS7Apr 18 18:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Scientific Linux 6.9 Officially Released, Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.9 | Tux MachinesApr 18 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Scientific Linux 6.9 Officially Released, Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.9 https://t.co/CYbjksEPTh https://t.co/NVE3uy4aS7Apr 18 18:25
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'UBports Recommends Buying Fairphone 2, OnePlus One or...'Apr 18 18:25
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Scientific Linux 6.9 Officially Released, Based on Red...'Apr 18 18:26
*TweetTuxMachines @allenpg favourited 'Scientific Linux 6.9 Officially Released, Based on Red...'Apr 18 19:16
cubexyzlearned how to scan wifi networks from the command lineApr 18 19:29
cubexyzsudo iwlist wlp2s6 scanApr 18 19:29
cubexyzor wlan0 or whatever it isApr 18 19:30
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cubexyztells you the frequency and channel, encryption etcApr 18 19:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854484830343409664Apr 18 20:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Black Lab Linux's Weekly Releases Move to the GNOME 3Apr 18 20:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Desktop, New ISO Out Now https://t.co/whl9qvd56VApr 18 20:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/mfjQ0SAWtUApr 18 20:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Lab Linux's Weekly Releases Move to the GNOME 3 Desktop, New ISO Out Now | Tux MachinesApr 18 20:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854490381165228032Apr 18 20:24
TweetTuxMachines                 6 hidden Android tricks to increase productivityApr 18 20:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/uDrV0ABCBU (www.techrepublic.com)Apr 18 20:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-6 hidden Android tricks to increase productivity - TechRepublicApr 18 20:24
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TweetTuxMachines                 What is Google’s Android mascot doing in North Korea?Apr 18 20:45
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/vgGSTeC9X1 (www.theverge.com)Apr 18 20:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854565747179356160Apr 19 01:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Details leak on Android creator's mysterious EssentialApr 19 01:35
TweetTuxMachines                 phone https://t.co/GHtcdDxRBz (www.cnet.com)Apr 19 01:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Android creator's Essential phone has its specs leaked - CNETApr 19 01:35
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Greens deserve their own option here. They're...'Apr 19 01:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854571636950958081Apr 19 01:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat looks to ramp up channel storage business Apr 19 01:50
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/cbb0dS3RQR (www.channelbuzz.ca)Apr 19 01:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat looks to ramp up channel storage business - ChannelBuzz.caApr 19 01:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854572767387242496Apr 19 01:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Docker debuts containerized kit for building LinuxApr 19 01:54
TweetTuxMachines                 distros https://t.co/C4rF3Ps9Za (www.infoworld.com)Apr 19 01:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Docker debuts containerized kit for building Linux distros | InfoWorldApr 19 01:54
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ZipinParadise @CrackingStone @wikileaks The Green party in the...'Apr 19 02:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Deleted Scene from "The Force Awakens."Apr 19 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Deleted Scene from "The Force Awakens." - Album on ImgurApr 19 02:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854575619203530752Apr 19 02:05
TweetTuxMachines                 F25-20170418 Updated Live isos releasedApr 19 02:05
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/jZ4a4PVIUd (jbwillia.wordpress.com)Apr 19 02:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jbwillia.wordpress.com | F25-20170418 Updated Live isos released | Jbwillia's WeblogApr 19 02:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Both have lost credibility on #brexit They...'Apr 19 02:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Both have lost credibility on...'Apr 19 02:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854577664941838336Apr 19 02:15
TweetTuxMachines                 As container adoption grows, Linux community championsApr 19 02:15
TweetTuxMachines                 open sourceApr 19 02:15
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/rZccewGVMU (siliconangle.com)Apr 19 02:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As container adoption grows, Linux community champions open source - SiliconANGLEApr 19 02:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854579031907454976Apr 19 02:23
TweetTuxMachines                 Flock Cod Logo Ideas https://t.co/ncTrOHpTIHApr 19 02:23
TweetTuxMachines                 (blog.linuxgrrl.com)Apr 19 02:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.linuxgrrl.com | Flock Cod Logo Ideas – Máirín DuffyApr 19 02:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854581118103953409Apr 19 02:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux 4.10.11 https://t.co/YEg7xwgcV4 (lwn.net)Apr 19 02:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux 4.9.23 https://t.co/6LIg29xzLj (lwn.net)Apr 19 02:45
TweetTuxMachines                 4.4.62 https://t.co/AUWww0O4t9 (lwn.net)Apr 19 02:45
TweetTuxMachines                 3.18.49 https://t.co/jkLtWuDls2 (lwn.net)Apr 19 02:45
TweetTuxMachines Apr 19 02:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 4.10.11 [LWN.net]Apr 19 02:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854586788723265536Apr 19 02:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Geneshift, the top-down shooter with vehicles has anApr 19 02:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Early Access launch date and a Linux demoApr 19 02:49
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/hKgqrYpC53 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Apr 19 02:49
TweetTuxMachines Apr 19 02:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Geneshift, the top-down shooter with vehicles has an Early Access launch date and a Linux demo | GamingOnLinuxApr 19 02:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854587702079082497Apr 19 02:53
TweetTuxMachines                 The Unity desktop environment isn't dead, forks plannedApr 19 02:53
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/e147W992tu (www.lifeonlinux.com)Apr 19 02:53
TweetTuxMachines Apr 19 02:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Unity desktop environment isn't dead, forks planned | LifeOnLinuxApr 19 02:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854588755298091008Apr 19 03:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Downward, an impressive first-person open-world ParkourApr 19 03:01
TweetTuxMachines                 adventure supports Linux https://t.co/UxrbjVQXfnApr 19 03:01
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Apr 19 03:01
TweetTuxMachines Apr 19 03:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Downward, an impressive first-person open-world Parkour adventure supports Linux | GamingOnLinuxApr 19 03:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854590823568203776Apr 19 03:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Flinthook, a fast action-platformer with roguelikeApr 19 03:03
TweetTuxMachines                 elements releases day-1 for Linux https://t.co/uMjAkwznFpApr 19 03:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Apr 19 03:03
TweetTuxMachines Apr 19 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Flinthook, a fast action-platformer with roguelike elements releases day-1 for Linux | GamingOnLinuxApr 19 03:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854591157594013697Apr 19 03:07
TweetTuxMachines                 nano: CLI Text Editor For Everyone [basic tutorials]Apr 19 03:07
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/kdh8dd3BFz (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 03:07
TweetTuxMachines Apr 19 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | nano: CLI Text Editor For Everyone [basic tutorials] | Tux MachinesApr 19 03:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854592296800710656Apr 19 03:25
TweetTuxMachines                 Unreal Tournament 0.1.10 Released https://t.co/iogGHwZrcmApr 19 03:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Apr 19 03:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unreal Tournament 0.1.10 Released - PhoronixApr 19 03:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854599456309755904Apr 19 03:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Docker News From DockerCon and MobyApr 19 03:36
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Qmic34ewdD (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 03:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Docker News From DockerCon and Moby | Tux MachinesApr 19 03:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854599457400209408Apr 19 03:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/ghSvuTh3jNApr 19 03:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesApr 19 03:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854599458461409281Apr 19 03:36
TweetTuxMachines                 LibreOffice 5.4 Previews https://t.co/6URxeiBkvpApr 19 03:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5.4 Previews | Tux MachinesApr 19 03:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854599460487282688Apr 19 03:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux and Linux Foundation https://t.co/u1ZDcopjBTApr 19 03:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 03:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux and Linux Foundation | Tux MachinesApr 19 03:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854599473275715584Apr 19 03:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Dell Launches Precision 5720 All-in-One WorkstationApr 19 03:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Powered by Ubuntu 16.04 LTS https://t.co/ZoWgbOgYAQApr 19 03:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/exrAAZX63TApr 19 03:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dell Launches Precision 5720 All-in-One Workstation Powered by Ubuntu 16.04 LTS | Tux MachinesApr 19 03:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Dell Launches Precision 5720 All-in-One Workstation Powered by Ubuntu 16.04 LTS https://t.co/ZoWgbOgYAQ https://t.co/exrAAZX63TApr 19 03:40
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange You don't quality even to vote. Just...'Apr 19 03:49
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange You don't quality even to...'Apr 19 04:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854606912280834048Apr 19 04:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Dive Into Connected Car and Open Source at AutomotiveApr 19 04:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Summit 2017Apr 19 04:07
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/t2xv4u2DvJ (www.linux.com)Apr 19 04:07
TweetTuxMachines Apr 19 04:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dive Into Connected Car and Open Source at Automotive Linux Summit 2017 | Linux.com | The source for Linux informationApr 19 04:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854607418025795584Apr 19 04:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu May Ditch Thunderbird, Possibly Ship With No EmailApr 19 04:08
TweetTuxMachines                 App https://t.co/5u9Ois6HLL (www.omgubuntu.co.uk)Apr 19 04:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu May Ditch Thunderbird, Possibly Ship With No Email App - OMG! Ubuntu!Apr 19 04:08
*TweetTuxMachines @ikarthiks favourited 'nano: CLI Text Editor For Everyone [basic tutorials]...'Apr 19 04:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854609102135328768Apr 19 04:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu Is Switching to Wayland https://t.co/jXi6xVJPcEApr 19 04:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.omgubuntu.co.uk)Apr 19 04:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu Is Switching to Wayland - OMG! Ubuntu!Apr 19 04:29
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @Lenin While Lasso (re)counts his money and...'Apr 19 04:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854615439103606786Apr 19 05:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu Is Switching to Wayland, May be DroppingApr 19 05:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Thunderbird, Unity Remains Alive https://t.co/LW50B6QbF0Apr 19 05:13
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 05:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Is Switching to Wayland, May be Dropping Thunderbird, Unity Remains Alive | Tux MachinesApr 19 05:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854623872045404161Apr 19 05:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Docker News and Microsoft's EEE AttemptsApr 19 05:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Bwy0OTOAl0 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 05:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Docker News and Microsoft's EEE Attempts | Tux MachinesApr 19 05:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854632052523548672Apr 19 05:45
TweetTuxMachines                 New Red Hat CFO and Financial NewsApr 19 05:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/AeFD8bZup1 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 05:45
TweetTuxMachines Apr 19 05:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Red Hat CFO and Financial News | Tux MachinesApr 19 05:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854632061851672576Apr 19 05:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/uNLlqzSjMjApr 19 05:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 05:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854632070508761088Apr 19 05:53
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/shjKgxHjxcApr 19 05:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 05:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesApr 19 05:53
oiaohmReally most people don't know the difference between IBM and Microsoft in method.   Microsoft is EEE Embrace Extend Exterminate.   IBM EEI  Embrace, Extend, Integrate  one word difference very different behaviour.    Systemd is EEIApr 19 05:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854634455172091904Apr 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Systemd-implementation of "rm -rf" Buggy, Could EraseApr 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines                 RootApr 19 06:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Partitionhttps://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=17/04/17/1550240Apr 19 06:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854640227574358016Apr 19 06:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Software https://t.co/Gzhy6NeOqLApr 19 06:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 06:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesApr 19 06:36
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @jeremyscahill "...Pompeo. Last year, when he was...'Apr 19 06:36
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange @jeremyscahill "...Pompeo. Last year, when...'Apr 19 06:37
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Now that he receives a higher undisclosed...'Apr 19 06:47
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @RogerJStoneJr Stone, Infowar (Jones is "just playing...'Apr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854648537715318784Apr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers https://t.co/EKCeR7kFJyApr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 06:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesApr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854648539149877248Apr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: OSS and Sharing https://t.co/FbqHktaKKgApr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 06:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS and Sharing | Tux MachinesApr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854648540571746304Apr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/W5iYnXNJ7sApr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 06:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesApr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854648542299701248Apr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 KDE and GNOME https://t.co/E4vy62KVlWApr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 06:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE and GNOME | Tux MachinesApr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854648544698834944Apr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Microsoft and Apple Lock-in https://t.co/VaXNDugE2rApr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 06:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft and Apple Lock-in | Tux MachinesApr 19 06:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854648550935810048Apr 19 06:54
TweetTuxMachines                 today's leftovers https://t.co/8o42n3HWESApr 19 06:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 06:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesApr 19 06:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854649272834379776Apr 19 07:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Links 19/4/2017: DockerCon Coverage, Ubuntu Switching toApr 19 07:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Wayland https://t.co/Zi8f4LC53P (techrights.org)Apr 19 07:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/4/2017: DockerCon Coverage, Ubuntu Switching to Wayland | TechrightsApr 19 07:05
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 19/4/2017: DockerCon Coverage, Ubuntu Switching to Wayland...'Apr 19 07:11
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks This hypocrite boasted about what...'Apr 19 08:01
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Is the media correct to interpret her...'Apr 19 08:23
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Some candidates' supporters, unless the poll is...'Apr 19 08:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854715728871571456Apr 19 11:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Oracle Patches Solaris 10 https://t.co/H5Xyi4WjADApr 19 11:43
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 11:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854722126359781383Apr 19 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Immortal Redneck, an FPS set in Egypt with rogue-liteApr 19 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 elements releases for #Linux soon https://t.co/OaRVBU7NYlApr 19 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com) #gamesApr 19 11:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Immortal Redneck, an FPS set in Egypt with rogue-lite elements releases for Linux soon | GamingOnLinuxApr 19 11:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854724032217796608Apr 19 11:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Latest Container and Docker News From DockerConApr 19 11:53
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/P4adm6G3p4 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 11:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest Container and Docker News From DockerCon | Tux MachinesApr 19 11:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854724638747873280Apr 19 12:01
TweetTuxMachines                 MU Music Player – A Player That Remembers All Your MusicApr 19 12:01
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/AwBfHC5l1v (www.fossmint.com)Apr 19 12:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fossmint.com | MU Music Player - A Player That Remembers All Your MusicApr 19 12:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854726518773350401Apr 19 12:16
TweetTuxMachines                 10 Awesome Games You Can Play on Your ChromebookApr 19 12:16
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/goTCHaBGHE (www.maketecheasier.com)Apr 19 12:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 10 Awesome Games You Can Play on Your Chromebook - Make Tech EasierApr 19 12:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854730419400560640Apr 19 12:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Java 9 Tech Preview Planned For Fedora 27Apr 19 12:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/1IcEaoZ6xD (www.phoronix.com)Apr 19 12:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Java 9 Tech Preview Planned For Fedora 27 - PhoronixApr 19 12:34
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MinceRhttp://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/swmp-8.jpgApr 19 12:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854734829098762241Apr 19 12:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Today in Techrights https://t.co/SxQvVUKrkCApr 19 12:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesApr 19 12:55
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TweetTuxMachines                 Today in Techrights https://t.co/r3CVaBhJBNApr 19 12:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854740269370982402Apr 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Anaconda, Hadoop, and OpenStack https://t.co/7cOVF8MrPQApr 19 12:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Anaconda, Hadoop, and OpenStack | Tux MachinesApr 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854740271027728384Apr 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Development News: Qt, Clang. MySQL, and Apache FortressApr 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/5fPUlv3rU0 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 12:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development News: Qt, Clang. MySQL, and Apache Fortress | Tux MachinesApr 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854740272474763264Apr 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/rJm3SyUR5iApr 19 12:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesApr 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854740274509103104Apr 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Graphics in Linux https://t.co/J86uSdGFcsApr 19 12:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics in Linux | Tux MachinesApr 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854740276237148161Apr 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Mozilla Cuts https://t.co/aGlWVJsDkbApr 19 12:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Cuts | Tux MachinesApr 19 12:56
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/Wk40cmg.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/Wk40cmg )Apr 19 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Star Wars vs Game of Thrones - ImgurApr 19 12:58
*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited 'Graphics in Linux https://t.co/J86uSdGFcs'Apr 19 13:22
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @jeremyscahill "the CIA/Pompeo has desperately vowed to...'Apr 19 13:22
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/DpC46Apr 19 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-In honor of finishing my first year of engineering have a number of mechanical gifs! - Album on ImgurApr 19 13:32
MinceRhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9t5OX5UIAAgKrM.jpg:largeApr 19 14:13
XRevan86MinceR: eurodisco vivas %)Apr 19 14:14
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @JulianAssange "the CIA/Pompeo has desperately vowed to...'Apr 19 15:07
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Yes, but don't tell the AstroTurfers who...'Apr 19 15:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854773990509789184Apr 19 15:10
TweetTuxMachines                 What’s the Difference Between Linux EXT, XFS, and BTRFSApr 19 15:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Filesystems? https://t.co/kK9SNuYD5tApr 19 15:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What’s the Difference Between Linux EXT, XFS, and BTRFS Filesystems? | Tux MachinesApr 19 15:10
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @quantumesia Not sure why you bother with...'Apr 19 15:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854782165728411648Apr 19 15:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Tinker Board ships in U.S. at $60 https://t.co/0ibLkj3JjnApr 19 15:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tinker Board ships in U.S. at $60 | Tux MachinesApr 19 15:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854782183487053824Apr 19 15:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux desktop operating system: A beginner's guideApr 19 15:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/O9vwAPlvWN (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 15:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/TX4NgIVUZEApr 19 15:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux desktop operating system: A beginner's guide | Tux MachinesApr 19 15:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854782187341717504Apr 19 15:58
TweetTuxMachines                 53.0 Firefox Release https://t.co/vOwnFXDWIiApr 19 15:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 15:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 53.0 Firefox Release | Tux MachinesApr 19 15:58
schestowitz12 years ago: my workstation at the university http://schestowitz.com/Family_Photos/Webcam/2005/05/15052005/15052005015.jpg (that laptop had Win98, 32MB of RAM)Apr 19 16:03
schestowitzdual boots at the timeApr 19 16:03
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/Ob5KE1q.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/Ob5KE1q )Apr 19 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Icelanders found a trapdoor in their new house - ImgurApr 19 16:54
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @tmorello There's also https://t.co/sbDwfGJ9Le though the...'Apr 19 16:54
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Marcon will be the next President. He's...'Apr 19 17:28
DaemonFChttps://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/No-Linux-BIOS-for-ideapad-710S-quot-Plus-13IKB-quot/m-p/3633595#M9238Apr 19 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Solved: Re: No Linux BIOS for ideapad 710S "Plus-13IKB" - Lenovo Community [ http://ur1.ca/qryfo ]Apr 19 17:39
DaemonFCLooks like Lenovo is at it again.Apr 19 17:39
MinceRhttp://random.cat/i/QmaPv.jpgApr 19 17:46
MinceRlooks like they need another lessonApr 19 17:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: thanks, give em hell over itApr 19 17:54
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MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydHMU05BknEApr 19 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Black Metal Babysitting - YouTubeApr 19 17:59
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TweetTuxMachines                 Canonical to Make GNOME Default Session in Ubuntu 17.10,Apr 19 18:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Likely Use Wayland https://t.co/9lm4ejWBxqApr 19 18:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/ZCIMJtlxbaApr 19 18:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical to Make GNOME Default Session in Ubuntu 17.10, Likely Use Wayland | Tux MachinesApr 19 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Canonical to Make GNOME Default Session in Ubuntu 17.10, Likely Use Wayland https://t.co/9lm4ejWBxq https://t.co/ZCIMJtlxbaApr 19 18:32
schestowitzMinceR: not that funnyApr 19 18:40
MinceRi beg to differApr 19 18:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/854853599654031360Apr 19 20:48
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Today in Techrights https://t.co/SxQvVUKrkCApr 19 20:48
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 20:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/854859252770496514Apr 19 21:16
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 19 21:16
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cubexyzok, about IBM....Apr 19 22:59
cubexyzfirst of all IBM in declineApr 19 23:00
cubexyzthey got the mainframe business and some software stillApr 19 23:00
cubexyzprobably been in decline since the early 1990'sApr 19 23:00
cubexyznow the question is, is Microsoft in decline?Apr 19 23:02
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cubexyzyes, in some waysApr 19 23:02
cubexyzthe PC itself is in a bit of a declineApr 19 23:02
cubexyz5 years of declining shipments...Apr 19 23:08
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cubexyzthere actually could be a reversion back to discrete solid state componentsApr 20 02:17
cubexyzperhaps not for computers, but for other things like AM/FM radio receivers or Ham RadiosApr 20 02:17
MinceRthat lenovo forum has an interesting concept of "Solved"Apr 20 02:19
cubexyzoh?Apr 20 02:19
cubexyzyou mean the BIOS issue?Apr 20 02:19
MinceRyesApr 20 02:19
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/vbK7Bhr.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/qHwVu )Apr 20 02:23
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cubexyzwell it's a bit naive to think a "microsoft signature edition PC" would work well on linuxApr 20 02:24
cubexyzI'd avoid thoseApr 20 02:24
cubexyzyou're stuck with whatever Lenovo gives you BIOS-wiseApr 20 02:26
cubexyza binaryApr 20 02:26
cubexyzif the BIOS is socketed then hacking is OKApr 20 02:32
cubexyzif not then you're in for some painApr 20 02:32
MinceRinb4 all PCs are "microsoft signature edition PC"sApr 20 02:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854954052974555137Apr 20 03:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Wine-Staging 2.6 https://t.co/i01RUYHXA9Apr 20 03:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854954066417405952Apr 20 03:05
TweetTuxMachines                 deepin 15.4 Linux Officially Released with Brand NewApr 20 03:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Design, Smarter Installer https://t.co/vXWayi2rwfApr 20 03:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/Kyi7L7MCbBApr 20 03:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine-Staging 2.6 | Tux MachinesApr 20 03:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854954074373996544Apr 20 03:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Tails 2.12 Anonymous Live OS Is Out, Drops I2P asApr 20 03:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Alternative Anonymity Network https://t.co/r6CZMcPTITApr 20 03:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/SQrIwrfciPApr 20 03:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | deepin 15.4 Linux Officially Released with Brand New Design, Smarter Installer | Tux MachinesApr 20 03:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tails 2.12 Anonymous Live OS Is Out, Drops I2P as Alternative Anonymity Network | Tux MachinesApr 20 03:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854954076898906113Apr 20 03:24
TweetTuxMachines                 Chrome 58 Released https://t.co/cABfu34vi3Apr 20 03:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 03:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854958845898129410Apr 20 03:30
TweetTuxMachines                 First GNOME 3.26 Desktop Environment Features Revealed,Apr 20 03:30
TweetTuxMachines                 New Usage App Planned https://t.co/97YjDHYAeRApr 20 03:30
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Apr 20 03:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | First GNOME 3.26 Desktop Environment Features Revealed, New Usage App PlannedApr 20 03:30
*TweetTuxMachines @spackpm favourited 'SPACK: A Package Manager for Supercomputers, Linux, and...'Apr 20 03:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854962229954748416Apr 20 03:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Flatpak and Fedora https://t.co/4FBmVl1D8RApr 20 03:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 03:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Flatpak and Fedora | Tux MachinesApr 20 03:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854962231364034560Apr 20 03:37
TweetTuxMachines                 More Firefox 53.0 Coverage https://t.co/19ufSfy9CwApr 20 03:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Firefox 53.0 Coverage | Tux MachinesApr 20 03:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854962232735653888Apr 20 04:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Graphics in Linux https://t.co/Hf9t2kndYQApr 20 04:02
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 04:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics in Linux | Tux MachinesApr 20 04:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854968455174516736Apr 20 04:03
TweetTuxMachines                 PacketFence v7.0 released  https://t.co/RSuREzUVZOApr 20 04:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (packetfence.org)Apr 20 04:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854968775417921537Apr 20 04:26
TweetTuxMachines                 TinkerOS_Debian V1.8 (Beta version) Released Apr 20 04:26
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/qjQttpX1Bf (www.ossblog.org)Apr 20 04:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ossblog.org | TinkerOS_Debian V1.8 (Beta version) Released - OSS BlogApr 20 04:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Can you find something in the #vault7...'Apr 20 04:26
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TweetTuxMachines                 What to Expect From The $89 Pinebook LaptopApr 20 05:14
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/45DkmoeXA9 (www.omgubuntu.co.uk)Apr 20 05:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | What to Expect From The $89 Pinebook Laptop - OMG! Ubuntu!Apr 20 05:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854986519416717313Apr 20 05:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Pinebook and Precision Workstation With GNU/LinuxApr 20 05:18
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/f1FApn3gTJ (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 05:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pinebook and Precision Workstation With GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesApr 20 05:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854987595981479936Apr 20 05:29
TweetTuxMachines                 A Global Menu Extension for GNOME Shell is in DevelopmentApr 20 05:29
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/EutstFLMvp (www.omgubuntu.co.uk)Apr 20 05:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | A Global Menu Extension for GNOME Shell is in Development - OMG! Ubuntu!Apr 20 05:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854990304625258496Apr 20 05:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Is it safe to install North Korea Linux?Apr 20 05:46
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/1z6pfOUgVO (www.infoworld.com)Apr 20 05:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/854994699144224770Apr 20 05:46
TweetTuxMachines                 You Can Now Run Arch Linux Natively On Pixel C, Here’sApr 20 05:46
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TweetTuxMachines                 Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/6zANv7wH6AApr 20 06:55
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TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat Financial News https://t.co/l1enzLTDYoApr 20 06:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'First GNOME 3.26 Desktop Environment Features Revealed, New...'Apr 20 07:24
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TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Debian/TinkerOS, UbuntuApr 20 07:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855019979200094209Apr 20 07:27
TweetTuxMachines                 GNOME News https://t.co/tzSZaiGqAP (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 07:27
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TweetTuxMachines                 Etcher - Burn Images To SD Card & Make Bootable USBApr 20 12:26
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TweetTuxMachines                 The Raspberry Pi And Raspbian OS [The Cheapest Computer]Apr 20 13:00
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TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/M71CFvVW61Apr 20 13:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855110038184239105Apr 20 13:33
TweetTuxMachines                 You Can Now Run Arch Linux Natively On Pixel C, Here’sApr 20 13:33
TweetTuxMachines                 How https://t.co/1X9SXDtRMJ (www.androidheadlines.com)Apr 20 13:33
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TweetTuxMachines                 Samba, Ceph, LightDM Update in Tumbleweed SnapshotsApr 20 13:38
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/m59HB7OU77 (news.opensuse.org)Apr 20 13:38
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TweetTuxMachines                 A Look at Desktop Environments: UNITY Apr 20 13:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/vfQiVpiVyF (www.ghacks.net)Apr 20 13:54
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd Not too impressed by the behaviour of...'Apr 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855120651664760833Apr 20 14:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Review On Ubuntu Budgie 17.04: Newest Ubuntu FlavorApr 20 14:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/KAj0jFrwtw (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 14:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855121160312324096Apr 20 14:19
TweetTuxMachines                 The Past, Present and Future of Canonical and UbuntuApr 20 14:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux https://t.co/FO5nd2UPba (thevarguy.com)Apr 20 14:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks So once again they reaffirm trend of...'Apr 20 14:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks There are also other tricks, like in...'Apr 20 14:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855128827340533760Apr 20 14:39
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Ubuntu https://t.co/GYpXctNt67Apr 20 14:39
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TweetTuxMachines                 Mozilla News https://t.co/wys8RIepcIApr 20 14:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855128834345021440Apr 20 14:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers: Security Updates and ReproducibleApr 20 14:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Builds https://t.co/q74VJAn8pJ (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 14:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855128860135903232Apr 20 14:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Consider Linux as Your Go-To Operating SystemApr 20 14:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855128896177553408Apr 20 14:42
TweetTuxMachines                 The 5 best Linux laptops of 2017 https://t.co/cFgdS5YNDqApr 20 14:42
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Also deterrent -- a way to discourage...'Apr 20 14:42
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks OSS/CIA adopted and whitewashed a lot of...'Apr 20 14:53
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks OSS/CIA adopted and whitewashed a...'Apr 20 14:53
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Fairly new book: Nazis Next Door: How...'Apr 20 14:53
MinceRhttp://assets.amuniversal.com/38bdf4b0ea5101346b24005056a9545d   (sauce: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-03-28 )Apr 20 15:02
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Fairly new book: Nazis Next...'Apr 20 15:03
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks So is Britain https://t.co/VvAttFIla9'Apr 20 15:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks So is Britain https://t.co/VvAttFIla9'Apr 20 15:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks They want a 'positive' (to the US)...'Apr 20 15:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855137001837805569Apr 20 15:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Low Power Wireless: 6LoWPAN, IEEE802.15.4 and theApr 20 15:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Raspberry Pi https://t.co/v7OqKSmwTcApr 20 15:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855137003246977024Apr 20 15:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat Offers Launchpad for IT Transformation withApr 20 15:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Latest Version of Red Hat VirtualizationApr 20 15:13
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/BTYG5TL9Th (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 15:13
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TweetTuxMachines                 Consider Linux as Your Go-To Operating SystemApr 20 16:07
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/re4rvAH0w4 (www.radiomagonline.com)Apr 20 16:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855150955435892736Apr 20 16:20
TweetTuxMachines                 The 5 best Linux laptops of 2017 https://t.co/QvFV1SLrXBApr 20 16:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.techradar.com) see https://t.co/XvAqUQsWA2Apr 20 16:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.lifeonlinux.com)Apr 20 16:20
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855154056423247873Apr 20 16:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu-friendly Qseven COM runs on Apollo LakeApr 20 16:29
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/WJewBZvMd1 (linuxgizmos.com)Apr 20 16:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855156373826523137Apr 20 16:30
TweetTuxMachines                 Mir Developers See The Door, No Commits In A WeekApr 20 16:30
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/0zQmdUVtZq (www.phoronix.com)Apr 20 16:30
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TweetTuxMachines                 "The Wine maintenance release 2.0.1 is now available."Apr 20 16:38
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/R6vRifKJ7d (www.winehq.org)Apr 20 16:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855161250820624384Apr 20 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 "GStreamer 1.12.0 will soon be released"Apr 20 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ybkWyj9yPn (www.phoronix.com)Apr 20 16:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855161928817061888Apr 20 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Building a Wearable Device with ZephyrApr 20 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ftUQ4LDspu (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/saJt3lc5TgApr 20 16:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855161930683527168Apr 20 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 System76 System76 https://t.co/S9xeQ04D7FApr 20 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 16:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855161931769958400Apr 20 16:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Future of Ubuntu Server and DesktopApr 20 16:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/jXYNNS31Vz (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 16:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Future of Ubuntu Server and Desktop | Tux MachinesApr 20 16:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd Well, if penalties are needed to win...'Apr 20 17:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855170346512662533Apr 20 17:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Compilers: Not Just GNU https://t.co/TbuAKHtY7NApr 20 17:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 17:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Compilers: Not Just GNU | Tux MachinesApr 20 17:32
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd @MarcusRashford Job done and United has a...'Apr 20 17:35
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Mike Pence has already said they would...'Apr 20 17:35
cubexyzwarning about Motorola consumer grade radios...Apr 20 17:38
cubexyzyou get 12 month warrantyApr 20 17:38
cubexyzno repair sparesApr 20 17:38
cubexyzno service supportApr 20 17:39
MinceRso the usual crapApr 20 17:39
cubexyzno service manualsApr 20 17:39
cubexyzonly parts must be scavenged from other radios with the same modelApr 20 17:40
cubexyzeven the 3rd party repair people are reluctant to look at themApr 20 17:40
cubexyzso avoid Motorola PMR446 radiosApr 20 17:43
cubexyzexperts are telling me to buy Icom, Kenwood or HyteraApr 20 17:44
cubexyzmaybe a vintage Zenith if you're decent with electronics repairApr 20 17:45
cubexyzuh, unfortunately they stopped making Zenith radios in 1981 :-/Apr 20 17:47
cubexyz1942 to 1981Apr 20 17:47
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-OceanicApr 20 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Trans-Oceanic - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/qs3rb ]Apr 20 17:48
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Mike Pence has already said...'Apr 20 17:49
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange "To convict Manning, it will be necessary...'Apr 20 17:49
cubexyzthat's 36 years old at leastApr 20 17:50
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange "To convict Manning, it will...'Apr 20 17:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855177927604015104Apr 20 17:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Diluvion, the deep sea exploration game with RPG elementsApr 20 17:56
TweetTuxMachines                 is getting a Linux beta https://t.co/1koabYj5QdApr 20 17:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Apr 20 17:56
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Diluvion, the deep sea exploration game with RPG elements is getting a Linux beta | GamingOnLinuxApr 20 17:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855178256584200193Apr 20 17:57
TweetTuxMachines                 Techland claim to have finally fixed Linux co-op in DyingApr 20 17:57
TweetTuxMachines                 Light https://t.co/uE19H3gCo6 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Apr 20 17:57
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Techland claim to have finally fixed Linux co-op in Dying Light | GamingOnLinuxApr 20 17:57
cubexyzthey stopped making the Sony CRF-5100 in 1981 as wellApr 20 17:58
cubexyzSony used a weird plug design on the AC cord for thoseApr 20 18:00
MinceRhttp://assets.amuniversal.com/3abd09a0ea5101346b24005056a9545d   (sauce: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-03-29 )Apr 20 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wally Is Either Lazy Or Wise - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-03-29 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsApr 20 18:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855178525870968833Apr 20 18:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Wine Releases https://t.co/JAzGZ90SAWApr 20 18:14
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 18:14
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Releases | Tux MachinesApr 20 18:14
cubexyzelectrotanya comes through again :)Apr 20 18:16
MinceR:)Apr 20 18:17
cubexyzhas the service manual for the Royal 7000Apr 20 18:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855182810369413120Apr 20 18:20
TweetTuxMachines                 "Aspyr Media today rolled out the Spring Update for SidApr 20 18:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Meier's Civilization VI [Steam] for Linux gamers"Apr 20 18:20
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/bitPC8lIl5 (joinup.ec.europa.eu)Apr 20 18:20
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Two tender announcements: lock-in vs. moving freely | JoinupApr 20 18:20
cubexyzparts exhaustion is a problem with these thingsApr 20 18:28
cubexyzof course, even 2009 era Sony HDTVs I had a bit of a bother finding the timer controllerApr 20 18:28
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks "Obama had decided not to charge WikiLeaks......'Apr 20 18:30
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks "Obama had decided not to...'Apr 20 18:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855187086206410753Apr 20 18:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/bHllMxJ6vKApr 20 18:31
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 18:31
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesApr 20 18:31
cubexyzso avoid the really old ones like Zenith 1000 and 3000 seriesApr 20 18:31
cubexyzget the 7000 seriesApr 20 18:32
cubexyzhttp://www.notpurfect.com/main/d7000.htmlApr 20 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.notpurfect.com | TransoceanicApr 20 18:35
cubexyzwow, 9 D cellsApr 20 18:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855187087779184640Apr 20 18:39
TweetTuxMachines                 Raspberry Pi HAT does 3G/HSPA, and GNSS tooApr 20 18:39
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/O4CxENekGn (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 18:39
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi HAT does 3G/HSPA, and GNSS too | Tux MachinesApr 20 18:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Maybe if they didn't make a mess...'Apr 20 18:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Maybe if they didn't make...'Apr 20 18:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The same publisher, Wash Post, actually called...'Apr 20 18:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks The same publisher, Wash Post,...'Apr 20 18:54
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @Snowden It's not about whether you're publisher...'Apr 20 18:54
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @Snowden It's not about whether...'Apr 20 18:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855194140400812032Apr 20 19:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Opto 22 joins the Linux FoundationApr 20 19:18
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/YWGEXasI3Y (www.controldesign.com)Apr 20 19:18
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.controldesign.com | Opto 22 joins the Linux FoundationApr 20 19:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855199018493849601Apr 20 19:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu 17.10 Is Named ‘Artful Aardvark’Apr 20 19:36
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/zLluW22aDB (www.omgubuntu.co.uk)Apr 20 19:36
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu 17.10 Is Named 'Artful Aardvark' - OMG! Ubuntu!Apr 20 19:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855203449746505728Apr 20 19:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu 17.10 Is Named ‘Artful Aardvark’Apr 20 19:36
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/62z9l0AO4u (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 19:36
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/TssIR1k4ffApr 20 19:36
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 17.10 Is Named ‘Artful Aardvark’ | Tux MachinesApr 20 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Ubuntu 17.10 Is Named ‘Artful Aardvark’ https://t.co/62z9l0AO4u https://t.co/TssIR1k4ffApr 20 19:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855203452036632576Apr 20 19:50
TweetTuxMachines                 DockerCon News https://t.co/wzAau38qjYApr 20 19:50
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 19:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DockerCon News | Tux MachinesApr 20 19:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855206954674814978Apr 20 19:52
TweetTuxMachines                 KDE Ships KDE Applications 17.04.0Apr 20 19:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/1YWfzPKdRo (www.kde.org)Apr 20 19:52
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org | KDE - KDE Ships KDE Applications 17.04.0Apr 20 19:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855207590497845250Apr 20 19:54
TweetTuxMachines                 BFQ I/O Scheduler Queued For Linux 4.12Apr 20 19:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/PLwJBiJ1bF (www.phoronix.com)Apr 20 19:54
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BFQ I/O Scheduler Queued For Linux 4.12 - PhoronixApr 20 19:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855207941863075842Apr 20 20:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Jonathan Blow's next game looks like it might supportApr 20 20:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux https://t.co/51dEy3jWZm (www.gamingonlinux.com)Apr 20 20:01
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jonathan Blow's next game looks like it might support Linux | GamingOnLinuxApr 20 20:01
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks How that would work with the United...'Apr 20 20:01
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks How that would work with...'Apr 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211870705205248Apr 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines                 KDE Applications 17.04 and United KDE themeApr 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/uSneXm0zR6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Applications 17.04 and United KDE theme | Tux MachinesApr 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211877139230721Apr 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Mozilla Thunderbird, Firefox, and Google Blocking Ads?Apr 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/1wlu4nDQri (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Thunderbird, Firefox, and Google Blocking Ads? | Tux MachinesApr 20 20:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211884680593408Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux and Linux Foundation https://t.co/axJ3DYwb7bApr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux and Linux Foundation | Tux MachinesApr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211889160200192Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines                 GNOME News https://t.co/bV1CUeJDPf (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME News | Tux MachinesApr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211891504762880Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Graphics in Linux https://t.co/nNtA6IbObHApr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics in Linux | Tux MachinesApr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211893790695424Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Tizen and Android https://t.co/Zv3w1U8PJlApr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen and Android | Tux MachinesApr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211895971733504Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Software https://t.co/6VxcrI2P7VApr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesApr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211898421116928Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/FSQkf2UQrWApr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesApr 20 20:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855211900451250176Apr 20 20:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers https://t.co/JB5s3ImT2ZApr 20 20:15
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 20 20:15
TweetTuxMachines Apr 20 20:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesApr 20 20:15
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @Snowden Trump said the same'Apr 20 20:15
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @Snowden Trump said the same'Apr 20 20:43
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks blackmail @lenin like #kerry did?'Apr 20 20:43
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks blackmail @lenin like #kerry did?'Apr 20 21:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855296985313628162Apr 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Indicator Bulletin – A Clipboard Manager for SearchingApr 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines                 and Formatting Text https://t.co/4eTc63uBqXApr 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.fossmint.com)Apr 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines Apr 21 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fossmint.com | Indicator Bulletin - A Clipboard Manager for Searching and Formatting TextApr 21 01:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Do it. It will be a wise...'Apr 21 01:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Do it. It will be...'Apr 21 02:12
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Differences: #wikileaks releases material at a larger...'Apr 21 02:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855304102724608000Apr 21 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                 A group of middle-school girls is learning to program,Apr 21 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                 courtesy of Red Hat https://t.co/9PO5uOHrnAApr 21 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 21 02:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A group of middle-school girls is learning to program, courtesy of Red Hat | Tux MachinesApr 21 02:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855304104121253888Apr 21 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Mirantis enters the Kubernetes game and ups its OpenStackApr 21 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                 play https://t.co/MWnJoL4zzR (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 21 02:16
TweetTuxMachines Apr 21 02:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mirantis enters the Kubernetes game and ups its OpenStack play | Tux MachinesApr 21 02:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855304105534803968Apr 21 02:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Black Duck Attacks FOSS Again, for Marketing Purposes,Apr 21 02:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Pretends It's "Research" https://t.co/zpIwOoy9tnApr 21 02:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 21 02:17
TweetTuxMachines Apr 21 02:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Duck Attacks FOSS Again, for Marketing Purposes, Pretends It's "Research" | Tux MachinesApr 21 02:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855304522872127488Apr 21 02:49
TweetTuxMachines                 KDE Fans Launch Petition to Make Plasma Ubuntu’s NextApr 21 02:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Desktop https://t.co/Tnvx292d0a (www.omgubuntu.co.uk)Apr 21 02:49
TweetTuxMachines Apr 21 02:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | KDE Fans Launch Petition to Make Plasma Ubuntu's Next Desktop - OMG! Ubuntu!Apr 21 02:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855312406024642560Apr 21 02:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/CQBbaD1CGnApr 21 02:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 21 02:52
TweetTuxMachines Apr 21 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux MachinesApr 21 02:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855314227279478784Apr 21 03:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Soylentnews is Moving to Gentoo...Apr 21 03:29
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/0WNqIRsBWF (soylentnews.org)Apr 21 03:29
TweetTuxMachines Apr 21 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Soylentnews.org is Moving to Gentoo... - SoylentNewsApr 21 03:29
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @JulianAssange Wake the f* up,...'Apr 21 03:29
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @JulianAssange Wake the f* up, people. The...'Apr 21 03:34
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks I loved his debates with Noam Chomsky,...'Apr 21 03:42
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @MashiRafael @Lenin @RicardoPatinoEC @GuillaumeLong @teleSUR_English @teleSURtv @el_telegrafo...'Apr 21 03:42
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange @MashiRafael @Lenin @RicardoPatinoEC @GuillaumeLong @teleSUR_English...'Apr 21 03:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @jeremyscahill DN's shows with #assange are also...'Apr 21 03:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855332881572413440Apr 21 04:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Elive 2.9.0 beta released https://t.co/Oqe6EUY26vApr 21 04:28
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.elivecd.org)Apr 21 04:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.elivecd.org | Elive 2.9.0 beta released - Elive LinuxApr 21 04:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855338077903962112Apr 21 04:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Development News https://t.co/4G865xl5HsApr 21 04:31
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 21 04:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development News | Tux MachinesApr 21 04:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855338079107796992Apr 21 04:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Hardware/Modding https://t.co/r3Jv9OUtQBApr 21 04:31
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 21 04:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hardware/Modding | Tux MachinesApr 21 04:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855338080349245441Apr 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Debian Derivatives: Elive, TeX Live, and deepinApr 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6UlqDic6bs (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines Apr 21 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Derivatives: Elive, TeX Live, and deepin | Tux MachinesApr 21 04:42
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @wikileaks #trump promised all sorts of things...'Apr 21 04:42
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TweetTuxMachines                 UK GDS looking for architects with open source expertiseApr 21 05:36
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schestowitzDon't use proprietary spyware chrome - use firefox with adblock (or equivalent) instead https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170420/07474037194/weird-antitrust-questions-google-chrome-ad-blocker.shtml Google profits from spying, adsApr 21 05:36
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TweetTuxMachines                 Farewell Unity, you challenged desktop Linux. Oh well,Apr 21 06:17
TweetTuxMachines                 here's Ubuntu 17.04 https://t.co/uzmCTQ5WX3Apr 21 06:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Farewell Unity, you challenged desktop Linux. Oh well, here's Ubuntu 17.04 | Tux MachinesApr 21 06:17
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks These kinds of charges - the real...'Apr 21 06:33
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TweetTuxMachines                 MIUI is never going to be close to stock Android, andApr 21 07:13
TweetTuxMachines                 that's a good thing https://t.co/8OW2XnifUyApr 21 07:13
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks He also loved his two ex wives....'Apr 21 07:23
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks This isn't going to end well https://t.co/0JYK64YYM9'Apr 21 07:26
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TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers https://t.co/0R4opo8RFTApr 21 07:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesApr 21 07:54
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @ggreenwald @democracynow #wikileaks is very low-hanging fruit....'Apr 21 07:54
cubexyzquite an education just looking through this service manualApr 21 08:01
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @ggreenwald @democracynow #wikileaks is very...'Apr 21 08:04
MinceRhttp://assets.amuniversal.com/3ecb6890ea5101346b24005056a9545d   (sauce: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-03-31 )Apr 21 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Attend A Meeting In My Place - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-03-31 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsApr 21 08:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855391814555185152Apr 21 08:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Links 21/4/2017: System76 Entering Phase Three, KDEApr 21 08:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Applications 17.04, Elive 2.9.0 BetaApr 21 08:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/4/2017: System76 Entering Phase Three, KDE Applications 17.04, Elive 2.9.0 Beta | TechrightsApr 21 08:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855395707129257989Apr 21 08:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Big Data and OpenStack https://t.co/8PdlxfIOrWApr 21 08:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Big Data and OpenStack | Tux MachinesApr 21 08:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855395708341411840Apr 21 08:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: OSS and Sharing https://t.co/ZUAm8eKhsiApr 21 08:20
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855395710174281728Apr 21 08:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux on Servers https://t.co/eCyDhXxURqApr 21 08:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux on Servers | Tux MachinesApr 21 08:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855395711495438336Apr 21 08:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/61ya6Ng95BApr 21 08:21
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TweetTuxMachines                 today's leftovers https://t.co/60bOs8oFFyApr 21 08:28
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/4/2017: System76 Entering Phase Three, KDE Applications...'Apr 21 08:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tommy_sykes/status/855399738639646721Apr 21 08:52
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    deepin 15.4 Linux Officially Released with Brand NewApr 21 08:52
TweetTuxMachines @tommy_sykes    Design, Smarter Installer https://t.co/vXWayi2rwfApr 21 08:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | deepin 15.4 Linux Officially Released with Brand New Design, Smarter Installer | Tux MachinesApr 21 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: deepin 15.4 Linux Officially Released with Brand New Design, Smarter Installer https://t.co/vXWayi2rwf https://t.co/Kyi7L7MCbBApr 21 08:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855403768401190912Apr 21 10:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Qt Creator 4.2.2 released https://t.co/51h1rzyWc3Apr 21 10:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt Creator 4.2.2 released | Tux MachinesApr 21 10:54
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The same is true for 'smart' meters,...'Apr 21 11:09
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Estimated release time/date? May 7th (Sunday)? Along...'Apr 21 11:27
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zoobabhiApr 21 12:24
zoobabAbout UPC in the UK, seems the government can do whatever they want with the SIs in handsApr 21 12:25
MinceRhiApr 21 12:27
MinceRwhat's an SI?Apr 21 12:27
zoobabStatutory Instrument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_instrumentApr 21 12:28
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MinceRicApr 21 12:29
MinceRhttps://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170421.161009.6c644d3a.en.htmlApr 21 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate [ http://ur1.ca/qs7uk ]Apr 21 12:29
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks This is very serious news and a...'Apr 21 12:34
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks This is very serious news...'Apr 21 12:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855459829904703489Apr 21 12:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Today in Techrights https://t.co/QUTPk7SyDhApr 21 12:36
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schestowitzzoobab: maybeApr 21 12:37
schestowitzbut they won'tApr 21 12:37
schestowitztransition timeApr 21 12:38
schestowitzand then it won't be on the agendaApr 21 12:38
schestowitzand they don't need to commit to anything IPO saidApr 21 12:38
schestowitzunder Tory leadershipApr 21 12:38
schestowitzzoobab: even if Tories stay, they won't be talking about it for a whileApr 21 12:38
schestowitzit throws a wrench into the ratification 'workflow' set out by the liars of Team UPCApr 21 12:39
schestowitzBattistelli's term is ending in one yearApr 21 12:39
schestowitz(not that many people assume he'll peacefully leave)Apr 21 12:39
zoobabBTW do you have a list of people who are in the TeamUPC in the UKIPO?Apr 21 12:39
schestowitzbut I think I have enough to further destabilise him and his UPC 'buddies'Apr 21 12:39
schestowitzzoobab: the preparatory committeeApr 21 12:40
schestowitzThat Ingve due wrote a paper about itApr 21 12:40
schestowitzthe "expert teams"Apr 21 12:40
zoobabdidApr 21 12:40
schestowitzit sheds light into who pulls some of the wtringsApr 21 12:40
schestowitzCIPA alsoApr 21 12:40
schestowitzworth exploring who's doing whatApr 21 12:41
schestowitzlots of overlap thereApr 21 12:41
schestowitzpersonnel-wiseApr 21 12:41
schestowitzlike EPO Admin. Council being just NPOsApr 21 12:41
zoobablots of patent attorneys excitedApr 21 12:41
schestowitzand the NPOs don't represent nationsApr 21 12:41
schestowitzthey represent NPOsApr 21 12:41
schestowitzwhich have their own selfish interestsApr 21 12:41
schestowitzzoobab: some of them are not shy to promote the UPCApr 21 12:42
schestowitzthey know it gets them backlashApr 21 12:42
schestowitzIAM doesn't even write any articles about UPC and EPO anymoreApr 21 12:42
schestowitzknowing it would trigger protests from EPO staff etc.Apr 21 12:42
zoobabneither ipkat :-)Apr 21 12:42
schestowitzyeahApr 21 12:42
schestowitzIP Kat is a basketcaseApr 21 12:42
zoobabI was on a panel with ipkat guyApr 21 12:42
zoobabsome patent lawyerApr 21 12:43
schestowitzI spoke to some people from there, they too know there's a problem with IP KatApr 21 12:43
schestowitzzoobab: which one?Apr 21 12:43
schestowitzmale or female?Apr 21 12:43
zoobabmaleApr 21 12:43
schestowitzSmyth?Apr 21 12:43
zoobablet me find his nameApr 21 12:43
schestowitzDarren?Apr 21 12:43
schestowitzeither way, that blog loses whatever karma it had as a "kat"Apr 21 12:44
schestowitzeach time it posts things that help Battistelli's objective (which happens a lot this year)Apr 21 12:44
schestowitzEPO workers treat it as a nuisance blogApr 21 12:44
schestowitzthey know UPC is about replacing BOA and then them (examiners) tooApr 21 12:45
zoobabhttp://www.ipalchemist.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/IMG_0567.jpgApr 21 12:45
schestowitzSo at least we've incited them too against the UPCApr 21 12:45
zoobabthe Darren SmythApr 21 12:45
schestowitz(and they should be, they were misinformed in the past)Apr 21 12:45
schestowitzyeahApr 21 12:45
schestowitzhe's a UPC boosterApr 21 12:45
schestowitzunapologetic about itApr 21 12:45
schestowitzIIRC, he's a chemistApr 21 12:45
schestowitznow pat attorneyApr 21 12:46
schestowitzchemist = big pharmaApr 21 12:46
zoobabthat's from him that I got the 7th March deadlineApr 21 12:46
schestowitzthey luuuurve UPCApr 21 12:46
schestowitzbe nice to him, he's not the worstApr 21 12:46
zoobabbasically the conference made my blood boil againApr 21 12:46
schestowitzBristows are the worst, at least in the UK, and some people agree with me (based on E-mails)Apr 21 12:47
schestowitzin Germany it's Tillmann etc.Apr 21 12:47
schestowitzzoobab: don't go thereApr 21 12:47
schestowitzthese are not conferencesApr 21 12:47
schestowitzthey're reality distortion fieldApr 21 12:47
schestowitzthey lobby those who attendApr 21 12:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855460208600133633Apr 21 12:47
TweetTuxMachines                 Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate Apr 21 12:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855463026530541569Apr 21 12:47
TweetTuxMachines                 Today in Techrights https://t.co/ZgjdDn8zkaApr 21 12:47
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zoobabI had Tillman on my right, Smyth on my leftApr 21 12:47
schestowitzhahahaApr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855463028971655168Apr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 X-ES spins Enterprise Linux BSP for its x86 boardsApr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/DMmuYcb5lP (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines Apr 21 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | X-ES spins Enterprise Linux BSP for its x86 boards | Tux MachinesApr 21 12:48
schestowitzstuffed panelApr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855463053055279104Apr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 The Companies That Support Linux and Open Source: DokyApr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Y9MkDOpq68 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 21 12:48
schestowitzwhere were the other engineers?Apr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/hNOpUzOj4DApr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines Apr 21 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Companies That Support Linux and Open Source: Doky | Tux MachinesApr 21 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: The Companies That Support Linux and Open Source: Doky https://t.co/Y9MkDOpq68 https://t.co/hNOpUzOj4DApr 21 12:48
zoobabTillman only speech was how to get the UK to signApr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855463064447008768Apr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Getting to Know GNOME (From a Unity Perspective)Apr 21 12:48
zoobabnothing elseApr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/uOqvGpbOqX (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 21 12:48
schestowitzWhere was Tim DRM B-L/Apr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/tUDBx13zZ6Apr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines Apr 21 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Getting to Know GNOME (From a Unity Perspective) | Tux MachinesApr 21 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Getting to Know GNOME (From a Unity Perspective) https://t.co/uOqvGpbOqX https://t.co/tUDBx13zZ6Apr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/855463066879655936Apr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux 4.10.12 https://t.co/plBJMzyywsApr 21 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Apr 21 12:48
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zoobabmaybe we should make a crowdfunding campaign to buy back W3C out of corporate influenceApr 21 12:48
schestowitzzoobab: don't let your blood boilApr 21 12:48
zoobabjust for the funApr 21 12:49
schestowitzyou'd get a flu or somethingApr 21 12:49
schestowitzthey try to fool everyoneApr 21 12:49
schestowitzthey are doing poker faceApr 21 12:49
schestowitzzoobab: you know W3C's CEO is Jeff Jaffe, right?Apr 21 12:49
schestowitzI did some articles about his swpats promotion at NovellApr 21 12:49
schestowitzand I also complained about him several time when he became the confidant of Tim B-LApr 21 12:50
schestowitzBallmer's mateApr 21 12:50
zoobabyeah W3C is full of those large corps guysApr 21 12:50
schestowitzAnyway, Darren is not much of an enemy, in my view...Apr 21 12:50
schestowitzTry to convince him to stop pushing the UPC agenda...Apr 21 12:50
zoobabBTW his blog:Apr 21 12:51
zoobabhttps://www.w3.org/blog/ceo/Apr 21 12:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.w3.org/blog/ceo/ )Apr 21 12:51
zoobabis 404 not found :-)Apr 21 12:51
schestowitzLinux Foundation for the Web :-)Apr 21 12:51
zoobabhttps://www.w3.org/People/Jeff/ Apr 21 12:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3.org | Dr. Jeffrey Jaffe, W3C CEOApr 21 12:51
zoobab<- CEO BlogApr 21 12:51
schestowitzAround 2008 I did many articles about IBM, Apple and Microsoft being the top people in the WGs thereApr 21 12:51
schestowitzThey've long dominated the W3CApr 21 12:51
schestowitzrecently came MPAAApr 21 12:51
schestowitzWhat kind of consortium has a "CEO" anyway?Apr 21 12:52
schestowitzImagine "CEO of Linux"Apr 21 12:52
zoobabnot much different from OOXML corruptionApr 21 12:52
schestowitzThey make it sounds like a corporationApr 21