IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: May 21st, 2017 – May 27th, 2017

cubexyz	I can build APL\11 1976 edition on Unix v6	May 21 00:24
cubexyz	the simplest way to get programs into this version is to look at old APL\360 code	May 21 00:40
cubexyz	I got some code here from 1976 or 1977 but I haven't managed to get it to work	May 21 00:41
cubexyz	it's a real bother but I've started suffixing the APL programs with the year	May 21 00:44
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cubexyz	ah, glorious progress :)	May 21 01:24
cubexyz	didn't help that there was no documentation	May 21 01:24
cubexyz	this is actual 1975 APL code	May 21 01:25
cubexyz	pretty hard to decipher	May 21 01:26
cubexyz	at least I know what it is now	May 21 01:26
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/apl-1975-decimal-to-hex.txt	May 21 01:26
cubexyz	so to use it is dth followed by the decimal number you want converted to hex	May 21 01:27
cubexyz	e.g. dth 10 returns 0000000a	May 21 01:28
cubexyz	still not sure what the other programs do	May 21 01:29
cubexyz	except that htd converts hex to decimal	May 21 01:30
cubexyz	with htd it is necessary to bracket the argument with K's	May 21 01:39
cubexyz	so:	May 21 01:39
cubexyz	htd K100K returns 256 as expected	May 21 01:39
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/apl-1975-running-on-unix-5a.png	May 21 01:49
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/apl-1975-running-on-unix-v5a.png	May 21 01:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/omponk_32/status/866224988558213120	May 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by PCLinuxOS Roll-Up Release: Another Linux installed on my	May 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines	@omponk_32 new notebook https://t.co/3PSEY4zMpe	May 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/N2LdPiKF4r	May 21 05:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| PCLinuxOS Roll-Up Release: Another Linux installed on my new notebook \| Tux Machines		May 21 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: PCLinuxOS Roll-Up Release: Another Linux installed on my new notebook https://t.co/3PSEY4zMpe https://t.co/N2LdPiKF4r		May 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866225821882621952	May 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines	#Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shields	May 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bdogsesbXw (linuxgizmos.com) #linux	May 21 05:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866225941021835264	May 21 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	NHS mulling Ubuntu switch after Windows XP fail?	May 21 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/M53wBJde6L (www.trustedreviews.com)	May 21 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	#nhs already uses #gnu #linux at back end. Why not	May 21 05:55
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TweetTuxMachines	desktops too?	May 21 05:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866231241015676928	May 21 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shields	May 21 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/giwyGrnc5j (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 05:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shields \| Tux Machines		May 21 05:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866231242160611328	May 21 07:17
TweetTuxMachines	Wine Staging 2.7 https://t.co/oPb6VcftLi	May 21 07:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 07:17
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*TweetTuxMachines @Seenovinc favourited '#Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shields...'		May 21 07:47
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866279213334011904	May 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	How about this? Starting next month, GNU/Linux news	May 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	typically posted by @tuxmachines then just RTd/shared by	May 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	me? To avoid dupes...	May 21 09:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866283306395893760	May 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	For many years (over a decade) I kept abreast of	May 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux news, but it's time to partly move on and pass	May 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	the baton to @tuxmachines mostly	May 21 09:23
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @JulianAssange Sweden has harmed its reputation by...'		May 21 09:38
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @JulianAssange Sweden has harmed its...'		May 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866287989655130113	May 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the	May 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C	May 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/aTLeWswGIu	May 21 09:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop \| Tux Machines		May 21 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C https://t.co/aTLeWswGIu		May 21 09:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/io_r_us/status/866288445869764608	May 21 10:14
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the	May 21 10:14
TweetTuxMachines	@io_r_us Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C	May 21 10:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/aTLeWswGIu	May 21 10:15
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MinceR	http://www.rejectedprincesses.com/princesses/sutematsu-oyama	May 21 10:26
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MinceR	https://twitter.com/dotMudge/status/865985007428313088	May 21 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dotMudge: During early L0pht days I was a Unix admin for ~50 DoD/USG systems. The government would not let me make needed changes to secure them (1/N)		May 21 10:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866306988526911490	May 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	5 reasons the D programming language is a great choice	May 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	for development https://t.co/1PEBhR93wv (opensource.com)	May 21 10:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-5 reasons the D programming language is a great choice for development \| Opensource.com		May 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307136216748033	May 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	#gnome 3.26 Developments	May 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/tsZLxopKdp (blogs.gnome.org)	May 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| 3.26 Developments – Zen and the Art of GNOME		May 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307218034970624	May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	“Meson is definitely getting more traction in GNOME (and	May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	other projects), with many components adding support for”	May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/EXS2cqzydo (www.bassi.io)	May 21 10:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bassi.io \| halting problem : Further experiments in Meson		May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307392731881472	May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	Brisk Menu 0.4.0 Is Out with Super Key Support, Adapts to	May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	Vertical Panel Layouts https://t.co/BrnYSCMHs8	May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	May 21 10:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307430149275648	May 21 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	Total War: #SHOGUN 2 & Fall of the Samurai Launch on	May 21 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	#Linux and #SteamOS on May 23 https://t.co/dtYqrNYZOz	May 21 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	May 21 11:00
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/SlrD5Dv.jpg	May 21 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307610751811584	May 21 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the	May 21 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	#Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/PNr62oz1QU	May 21 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	May 21 11:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866312139786539008	May 21 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Releases: 4.11.2, 4.10.17, 4.9.29, 4.4.69, 3.18.53	May 21 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	and 3.18.54 https://t.co/PU6bNtX01i (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 11:19
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Releases: 4.11.2, 4.10.17, 4.9.29, 4.4.69, 3.18.53 and 3.18.54 \| Tux Machines		May 21 11:19
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity What a moment. Who in Watford would...'		May 21 11:22
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Chelsea has shed light on shady dealings...'		May 21 11:22
MinceR	https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/18/dell_bios_update_borks_pcs/	May 21 11:31
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MinceR	https://twitter.com/pixelnull/status/866266179702333440	May 21 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixelnull: This gif of Bannon scared to death is now my favorite thing on the internet. https://t.co/zLUsJJAEoa		May 21 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixelnull: This gif of Bannon scared to death is now my favorite thing on the internet. https://t.co/zLUsJJAEoa		May 21 11:33
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Chelsea has shed light on...'		May 21 11:40
*TweetTuxMachines @debexpert favourited 'NHS mulling Ubuntu switch after Windows XP fail?...'		May 21 11:40
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity City the kings of possession this season,...'		May 21 11:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866320337490722816	May 21 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017	May 21 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/r394ZqSYgM (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1BlQAkyCpZ	May 21 11:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017 \| Tux Machines		May 21 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017 https://t.co/r394ZqSYgM https://t.co/1BlQAkyCpZ		May 21 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866328749167452161	May 21 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	KDE Leftovers https://t.co/aKvOP8d1qd	May 21 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 12:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Leftovers \| Tux Machines		May 21 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329135164960769	May 21 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Getting Free Software into our users’ hands	May 21 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6KntnWghZR (www.proli.net)	May 21 12:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proli.net \| Getting Free Software into our users’ hands \| TheBlindCow		May 21 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329425226326017	May 21 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps to Remotely	May 21 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	Access a Computer https://t.co/9sE54WhfIy	May 21 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.maketecheasier.com)	May 21 12:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com \| 5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps to Remote Access a Computer		May 21 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329674816774145	May 21 12:55
TweetTuxMachines	Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017	May 21 12:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Oiq3JBeLRJ (www.techradar.com)	May 21 12:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017 \| TechRadar		May 21 12:55
*TweetTuxMachines @jesusguevarauto favourited '5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps...'		May 21 12:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/jesusguevarauto/status/866336581963173888	May 21 12:56
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by 5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps to Remotely	May 21 12:56
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto Access a Computer https://t.co/9sE54WhfIy	May 21 12:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.maketecheasier.com)	May 21 12:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited '5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps...'		May 21 13:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866345103073333248	May 21 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	White House Tech Policy Brought by Microsoft	May 21 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/r9B0IMZPFf (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 13:31
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/d8NMbcE.jpg	May 21 13:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Australia is far too keen and even...'		May 21 13:56
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/2IN7hQh.gif (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/NEaAu )	May 21 14:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Brisk Menu 0.4.0 Is Out with Super Key...'		May 21 14:59
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support...'		May 21 14:59
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Total War: #SHOGUN 2 & Fall of the...'		May 21 16:20
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cubexyz	Vint Cerf is complaining about text written in WordPerfect from 20 years ago	May 21 18:11
cubexyz	uh, maybe convert that to ASCII?	May 21 18:12
MinceR	:>	May 21 18:17
oiaohm	cubexyz: odd balls like 20 year old wordperfect documents is something I use Libreoffice for.	May 21 18:25
cubexyz	printouts are good too	May 21 18:26
MinceR	they're bulky and heavy	May 21 18:26
cubexyz	if Bell Labs printed all their source code, we wouldn't have lost so much	May 21 18:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866426901992099840	May 21 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Media and Staff Association Elections at #EPO and #WIPO	May 21 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Are Compromised https://t.co/1tf4ZVxXga (techrights.org)	May 21 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	#gurry #battistelli	May 21 18:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866426965233770496	May 21 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by The wait is over. #epo news announcements are published	May 21 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines in #techrights before the EPO gets to it	May 21 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fnAa3BN5ln (techrights.org) #eia17	May 21 18:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Leaked: 2017 European Inventor Award Finalists, or Stooges Whom the Tyrant Battistelli Exploits for PR Purposes and Media Manipulation \| Techrights		May 21 18:58
cubexyz	what are you going to trust for long term storage, magnetic media?	May 21 19:05
MinceR	whatever it is, it should probably copied to newer media every now and then	May 21 19:05
MinceR	other than that, perhaps something like M-DISC	May 21 19:05
cubexyz	paper will last for over 100 years	May 21 19:05
MinceR	also, possibly multiple technologies at the same time	May 21 19:05
MinceR	paper is heavy, bulky and a nightmare to manage	May 21 19:05
MinceR	even if you print something like QR codes, the data density is abysmal	May 21 19:06
cubexyz	m-disc sure	May 21 19:06
cubexyz	a ten pack is about $60 CAN though	May 21 19:07
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cubexyz	the m-disc drives are only around $39.99	May 21 19:09
oiaohm	cubexyz: paper correctly handed lasts about 1000 years. Its the ink that normally comes problemmatic.	May 21 19:11
cubexyz	I've seen parts of paper dissolve	May 21 19:11
oiaohm	cubexyz: note the correctly handled bit.	May 21 19:12
cubexyz	this happened with an old science book I have from the mid-1970s	May 21 19:12
oiaohm	cubexyz: there are rules of archives if they are obeyed include no human allow to touch the paper the life span is very much expanded.	May 21 19:12
cubexyz	no text was lost though	May 21 19:12
cubexyz	well the only reason we still have Unix version 1 is because of paper	May 21 19:13
cubexyz	some early computers used paper tape	May 21 19:13
cubexyz	anyways, for video m-disc is probably the way to go	May 21 19:14
cubexyz	I was merely thinking about preserving old source code	May 21 19:14
cubexyz	I lost some important executables for the commodore 64, but I printed the source code out over 30 years ago	May 21 19:15
oiaohm	There is a theory calcuation that a A4 page printed could hold a max of 293mb uncompressed data.	May 21 19:16
oiaohm	That is double sided of course.	May 21 19:16
oiaohm	and scan that would be trouble.	May 21 19:16
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866428048643469313	May 21 19:16
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Documents Help Demonstrate That #ILO Delivers	May 21 19:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Institutional Injustice to #EPO Employees and Cushions	May 21 19:16
TweetTuxMachines	#Battistelli https://t.co/LsAD9MW03d (techrights.org)	May 21 19:16
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oiaohm	So it yes you can put 293mb of data on a bit of A4 but then have nothing to read it back.	May 21 19:17
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cubexyz	given the expensive of m-disc some folks might just copy all their discs every few years	May 21 19:19
cubexyz	s/expensive/expense/	May 21 19:19
oiaohm	m-disc are good tech it going to be great when the patent expires and we have competition in production.	May 21 19:20
oiaohm	cubexyz: 2030 is when the m-disc patents give up the ghost.	May 21 19:22
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timet_2	hello everyone	May 21 19:57
timet_2	does anyone know where I can get more info on software reviews for A+ Practice test?	May 21 19:58
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cubexyz	so patient	May 21 20:01
cubexyz	not a great test btw	May 21 20:06
cubexyz	very superficial	May 21 20:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866450581929435137	May 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by LEAKED: European Inventor Award Finalists, or Stooges	May 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Whom the Tyrant #Battistelli Exploits	May 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fnAa3BN5ln (techrights.org) #eia17	May 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	Finalists. #epo	May 21 20:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866453507116683264	May 21 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	The way I think division of topics (and 'labour') would	May 21 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	work best is, my account will post non-Linux things and	May 21 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	only RT @tuxmachines on GNU*	May 21 21:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866476883759685633	May 21 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	#Android Leftovers https://t.co/5ZG2q3rQLy	May 21 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #google #linux #androidO #sony	May 21 22:14
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers https://t.co/5ZG2q3rQLy #google #linux #androidO #sony'		May 21 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866478751089016832	May 21 22:28
TweetTuxMachines	The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)	May 21 22:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5vp5tLSNct (tuxmachines.org)	May 21 22:28
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)...'		May 21 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866482263583637504	May 21 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	#Lubuntu Vs. #Xubuntu https://t.co/gajL367hSV	May 21 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #lxde #xfce #gnu #linux #ubuntu	May 21 22:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Lubuntu Vs. #Xubuntu https://t.co/gajL367hSV #lxde #xfce #gnu #linux...'		May 21 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866482887700303874	May 21 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers https://t.co/QAurqKHKJk	May 21 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 22:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866482891978559488	May 21 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)	May 21 22:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866482904402083840	May 21 22:38
TweetTuxMachines	Lubuntu Vs. Xubuntu https://t.co/FJWXxgdmhF	May 21 22:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/EJwtF1zcKl	May 21 22:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866483296275845121	May 21 22:39
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB (tuxmachines.org)	May 21 22:39
TweetTuxMachines	#howto #gnu #linux #cli	May 21 22:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB #howto #gnu #linux #cli'		May 21 22:40
*TweetTuxMachines @akaSassinak retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB #howto #gnu #linux #cli'		May 21 22:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB #howto #gnu #linux #cli'		May 21 22:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Lubuntu Vs. #Xubuntu https://t.co/gajL367hSV #lxde #xfce #gnu #linux...'		May 21 22:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866486606445789186	May 21 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399	May 21 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/rU1GS1ITzI (tuxmachines.org) #windows not	May 21 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	even an option. #ubuntu #gnu #linux	May 21 22:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for...'		May 21 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866486756358578176	May 21 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399	May 21 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/rU1GS1ITzI (tuxmachines.org) #windows not	May 21 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	even an option. #ubuntu #gnu #linux	May 21 23:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866491066421092352	May 21 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos https://t.co/0yM8VrjOvX	May 21 23:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866491067675271168	May 21 23:12
TweetTuxMachines	Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399	May 21 23:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vJwlfjVsMT (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 23:12
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 23:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866494706489843712	May 21 23:24
TweetTuxMachines	#TinkerOS #Android 13.11.0.4 Released	May 21 23:24
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zXWd7NeP1d (tuxmachines.org) #linux #asus	May 21 23:24
TweetTuxMachines	#debian #tinkerboard #hardware #freesw	May 21 23:24
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#TinkerOS #Android 13.11.0.4 Released https://t.co/zXWd7NeP1d #linux #asus #debian...'		May 21 23:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866498817763319810	May 21 23:40
TweetTuxMachines	#Development and #Programming: #Hugo , #Jekyll , #Dlang ,	May 21 23:40
TweetTuxMachines	and #Kotlin https://t.co/SuSgMDvUWq (tuxmachines.org)	May 21 23:40
TweetTuxMachines	#android #freesw	May 21 23:41
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Development and #Programming: #Hugo , #Jekyll , #Dlang...'		May 21 23:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866499136983515136	May 21 23:41
TweetTuxMachines	TinkerOS Android 13.11.0.4 Released	May 21 23:41
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/yIDrBvmBGL (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 23:41
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/2EkiwBrwjr	May 21 23:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866499139189604352	May 21 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	Development and Programming: Hugo, Jekyll, D, and Kotlin	May 21 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/654mBc9aMz (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 23:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Development and Programming: Hugo, Jekyll, D, and Kotlin \| Tux Machines		May 21 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866501431020343296	May 21 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)	May 21 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/4ssP9qwiPJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 23:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @notjusttravel favourited 'The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)...'		May 21 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866501839583297537	May 21 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside	May 21 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv (tuxmachines.org) #freesw	May 21 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	#fuchsia #armadillo #google	May 21 23:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @developbender retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Development and #Programming: #Hugo , #Jekyll , #Dlang...'		May 21 23:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv...'		May 22 00:00
*TweetTuxMachines @webmastersguard favourited '#TinkerOS #Android 13.11.0.4 Released https://t.co/zXWd7NeP1d #linux #asus #debian...'		May 22 00:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup favourited 'Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv...'		May 22 00:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @coolappsdaily favourited 'Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv...'		May 22 00:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866506021337944064	May 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines	#UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past	May 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TXV9cDMR9e (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #mate	May 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #review #freedw #darkduck	May 22 00:10
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past...'		May 22 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866507110254649344	May 22 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	Imagine an Android Phone Without Linux Inside	May 22 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/w0Y58q0nXG (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/30PEtNo7KN	May 22 00:13
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 00:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866507114356678656	May 22 00:48
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu MATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past	May 22 00:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jNS8CRibRR (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 00:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/nSHhKgZT6n	May 22 00:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866515962354323456	May 22 00:49
TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers: All Versions of #Windows	May 22 00:49
TweetTuxMachines	Compromised, #WannaCry Keeps Going	May 22 00:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sAH66hVj8r (tuxmachines.org) #microsoft	May 22 00:49
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: All Versions of #Windows Compromised, #WannaCry...'		May 22 01:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866519490854477827	May 22 01:02
TweetTuxMachines	@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of	May 22 01:02
TweetTuxMachines	money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwart	May 22 01:02
TweetTuxMachines	justice	May 22 01:02
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 01:02
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 01:02
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 01:02
*TweetTuxMachines @MakeamGrate retweeted @tuxmachines: '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 01:02
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 01:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866520005696921600	May 22 01:04
TweetTuxMachines	#CloudReady - #Chromebook re-experienced	May 22 01:04
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Xi22iwUmnX (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux	May 22 01:04
TweetTuxMachines	#gentoo #google #chromiumos #review	May 22 01:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @AmeliaReinhart favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 01:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#CloudReady - #Chromebook re-experienced https://t.co/Xi22iwUmnX #gnu #linux...'		May 22 01:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866520788022607872	May 22 01:07
TweetTuxMachines	@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward	May 22 01:07
TweetTuxMachines	@snowden when he leaked state abuses	May 22 01:07
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 01:07
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 01:07
cubexyz	willing?	May 22 01:12
cubexyz	methinks that's a typo	May 22 01:13
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 01:15
cubexyz	interesting bit about early computer displays...	May 22 01:15
cubexyz	the earliest ones were circular and they used electrostatic deflection to steer the electrons	May 22 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866522894154604545	May 22 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	Software: #Linfo, #EasyTag, #SimpleScan, #Albert, #VLC,	May 22 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	#RemoteDesktop, #Frogr, #BriskMenu, and #OpenShot	May 22 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kDJZlWjxWS (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 01:16
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 01:16
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cubexyz	there were hortizontal deflection electrodes and vertical ones	May 22 01:17
cubexyz	horizontal rather	May 22 01:17
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #Linfo, #EasyTag, #SimpleScan, #Albert, #VLC, #RemoteDesktop, #Frogr,...'		May 22 01:17
cubexyz	the tech was limited so the screen was circular (also the tubes were smaller)	May 22 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523410121187331	May 22 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	Security Leftovers: All Versions of Windows Compromised,	May 22 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	WannaCry Keeps Going https://t.co/26j1PV02xW	May 22 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 01:17
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 01:17
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MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/O1LYn	May 22 01:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523418593705984	May 22 01:18
TweetTuxMachines	CloudReady - Chromebook re-experienced	May 22 01:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/JAtd0eqm9h (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 01:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NpqLWjE5qM	May 22 01:18
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cubexyz	later on the CRTs used electromagnetic deflection	May 22 01:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523421110185984	May 22 01:19
TweetTuxMachines	Software: Linfo, EasyTag, Simple Scan, Albert, VLC,	May 22 01:19
TweetTuxMachines	Remote Desktop, Frogr, Brisk Menu, and OpenShot	May 22 01:19
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YBbps34dFw (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 01:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @twsgy retweeted @tuxmachines: '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 01:20
*TweetTuxMachines @lightbkey favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 01:23
*TweetTuxMachines @LizRao4 favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 01:35
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wisdom	May 22 01:37
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*TweetTuxMachines @mawi2tu favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 01:39
*TweetTuxMachines @UTHornsRawk favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 01:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866528954986840064	May 22 01:40
TweetTuxMachines	More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E	May 22 01:40
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #howto #unix #gnu #linux #freesw	May 22 01:40
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E #howto #unix #gnu...'		May 22 01:45
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E #howto #unix #gnu...'		May 22 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531524165881857	May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	#distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux #rosa #review	May 22 01:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531582324101120	May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	More of today's howtos https://t.co/3503FBBPhH	May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 01:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531596047761408	May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/LCuJM2M0l8	May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/Jw1EuGGoXf	May 22 01:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux...'		May 22 01:52
MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAZmdkBU0AAV5Hr.jpg:large	May 22 01:58
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: '#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux...'		May 22 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866534913092182018	May 22 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	#Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS,	May 22 02:04
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL https://t.co/Um9ATxswhQ	May 22 02:04
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org)	May 22 02:04
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 02:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @gbmrhino favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 02:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS, Linux...'		May 22 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866536974441627648	May 22 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame	May 22 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	WikiLeaks for "hacking" and the recent events present	May 22 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	opportunity for this illusion	May 22 02:11
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 02:11
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 02:11
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 02:12
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866537391749644289	May 22 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall	May 22 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features	May 22 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jDz5rgHKNU (tuxmachines.org) #security	May 22 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw	May 22 02:13
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 02:13
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*TweetTuxMachines @tinastullracing favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 02:15
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall Tackles...'		May 22 02:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866539384815759361	May 22 02:21
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel Space: HMM, Cloud Native, Linux 4.12, TFS, Linux	May 22 02:21
TweetTuxMachines	4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL https://t.co/6iL6cktB0h	May 22 02:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 02:21
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 02:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866539393355440128	May 22 02:27
TweetTuxMachines	Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles	May 22 02:27
TweetTuxMachines	Bufferbloat, Adds New Features https://t.co/HAUSa7jx6e	May 22 02:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/VDuZSEDZ5U	May 22 02:27
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 02:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features \| Tux Machines		May 22 02:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features https://t.co/HAUSa7jx6e https://t.co/VDuZSEDZ5U		May 22 02:28
*TweetTuxMachines @RocketRaccoon76 favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 02:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866541687044059136	May 22 02:30
TweetTuxMachines	@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental and	May 22 02:30
TweetTuxMachines	physical erosion) helps drive some people to depression,	May 22 02:30
TweetTuxMachines	suicide, lack of productivity (twitter.com)	May 22 02:30
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 02:30
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 02:30
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 02:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/lordbaco/status/866543549155864576	May 22 02:50
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside	May 22 02:50
TweetTuxMachines	@lordbaco https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv (tuxmachines.org) #freesw	May 22 02:50
TweetTuxMachines	#fuchsia #armadillo #google	May 22 02:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| Imagine an Android Phone Without Linux Inside \| Tux Machines		May 22 02:50
*TweetTuxMachines @Love_The_Donald favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 02:54
TweetTuxMachines	@alastair_hm https://twitter.com/alastair_hm/status/866547665751990272	May 22 02:54
TweetTuxMachines	The latest Latest Linux Daily Lowdown!	May 22 02:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Xj9rGRGnAp (paper.li) Thanks to @Rammy7219	May 22 02:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines @linuxsound #linux #kernel	May 22 02:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 https://twitter.com/FreeThree333/status/866547775751634944	May 22 02:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines @wikileaks It's what these sick bastards in	May 22 02:55
TweetTuxMachines	power are trying to do. #BoycottUK #FreeAssange	May 22 02:55
TweetTuxMachines	#SafePassage4Assange	May 22 02:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @Drtoszi favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 03:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 03:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall Tackles...'		May 22 03:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 03:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '#Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS, Linux...'		May 22 03:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux...'		May 22 03:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E #howto #unix #gnu...'		May 22 03:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @Good2bqueen67 favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 03:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/RYindiefilm/status/866550300643086336	May 22 03:04
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past	May 22 03:04
TweetTuxMachines	@RYindiefilm https://t.co/TXV9cDMR9e (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #mate	May 22 03:04
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #review #freedw #darkduck	May 22 03:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @st_thecla30 favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 03:15
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 03:28
*TweetTuxMachines @tradesonly favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 03:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tradesonly/status/866558617561972736	May 22 03:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of	May 22 03:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tradesonly money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwart	May 22 03:37
TweetTuxMachines	justice	May 22 03:37
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 03:37
*TweetTuxMachines @EngineerEarth favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 04:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/vee_liang/status/866566302311227392	May 22 04:17
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the	May 22 04:17
TweetTuxMachines	@vee_liang Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C	May 22 04:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/aTLeWswGIu	May 22 04:17
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop \| Tux Machines		May 22 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C https://t.co/aTLeWswGIu		May 22 04:17
*TweetTuxMachines @FirstWillisCrew favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 04:27
*TweetTuxMachines @joe_hinder favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 04:30
*TweetTuxMachines @PressKek favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 05:02
*TweetTuxMachines @dzikaanda favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/cooluser51/status/866581517849563136	May 22 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of	May 22 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	@cooluser51 money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwart	May 22 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	justice	May 22 05:08
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 05:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @cooluser51 favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 05:54
*TweetTuxMachines @OscarFields12 favourited 'Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds...'		May 22 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	@MaryCass95 https://twitter.com/MaryCass95/status/866593587798134784	May 22 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 @tuxmachines @wikileaks Agreed. Trying to	May 22 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	make an example of him so no others follow suit. That the	May 22 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	risk will be to high. Cant (twitter.com) boycott UK tho i	May 22 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	live here 😄😄🖒	May 22 06:06
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866596136227717120	May 22 06:09
TweetTuxMachines	How To Encrypt DNS Traffic In Linux Using DNSCrypt	May 22 06:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/gHhZds6SBw (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:09
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How To Encrypt DNS Traffic In Linux Using DNSCrypt \| Tux Machines		May 22 06:09
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds...'		May 22 06:09
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall Tackles...'		May 22 06:35
*TweetTuxMachines @Dcdale9Dale favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 06:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @Cappagrigia favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:22
*TweetTuxMachines @JoyMarie007 favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 07:22
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 https://twitter.com/JoyMarie007/status/866615275659067392	May 22 07:39
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @tuxmachines @wikileaks It's what these sick bastards in	May 22 07:39
TweetTuxMachines	@JoyMarie007 power are trying to do. #BoycottUK #FreeAssange	May 22 07:39
TweetTuxMachines	#SafePassage4Assange	May 22 07:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/sherilucia/status/866620850610556928	May 22 08:00
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of	May 22 08:00
TweetTuxMachines	@sherilucia money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwart	May 22 08:00
TweetTuxMachines	justice	May 22 08:00
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 08:00
*TweetTuxMachines @maxwmi retweeted @tuxmachines: '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 08:00
*TweetTuxMachines @maxwmi favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 08:00
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liberty_box	https://twitter.com/Kayihan1/status/866567357078142976	May 22 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Kayihan1: @Terianniaraq @schestowitz @wikileaks @JulianAssange theres a thing called government, and then theres a little thing called autocracy.		May 22 08:33
redsnapper4point	A position as an active legal counsel seems to contradict the impartiality that has to be expected from the President of any court, including the ILO AT.	May 22 08:35
redsnapper4point	I include the link to MCE Avocats. Kind regards, Red Snapper	May 22 08:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @trevormdale favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 09:14
*TweetTuxMachines @jpnazi1 favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 10:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @Jennjerkyb favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 11:05
Cosmophile	Can you guys recommend a good android phone from a security standpoint, or alternatively, a hacker standpoint?	May 22 11:27
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*TweetTuxMachines @Osb18483782Mary favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 11:39
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 https://twitter.com/FreeThree333/status/866679875469328385	May 22 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	@MaryCass95 @tuxmachines @wikileaks I'd boycott my	May 22 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	country for Julian's freedom. :)	May 22 11:42
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*TweetTuxMachines @ditzywoo favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 11:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866695417005613056	May 22 12:42
TweetTuxMachines	Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/ynxNOcxomx	May 22 12:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 12:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tizen News: Phones and TVs \| Tux Machines		May 22 12:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866695772481306625	May 22 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69Ss	May 22 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #tizen #linux #samsung #india #tv #gnu	May 22 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw #korea	May 22 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| Tizen News: Phones and TVs \| Tux Machines		May 22 12:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69Ss #tizen #linux...'		May 22 12:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69Ss #tizen #linux...'		May 22 12:49
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@MaryCass95 @tuxmachines @wikileaks I'd boycott my country for...'		May 22 12:56
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sebsebseb	hi	May 22 12:57
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 22 12:57
sebsebseb	MinceR: ping	May 22 12:57
sebsebseb	schestowitz: ping	May 22 12:57
sebsebseb	cubexyz: ping	May 22 12:57
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TweetTuxMachines	OSS Leftovers https://t.co/YKztdCextB (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 12:57
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw #sharing #reactos #sprint #tensorflow #riot	May 22 12:57
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razielle_tzu	yes sebsebseb?	May 22 12:57
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: :(	May 22 12:57
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: seems one of my phones has been binned, not by me	May 22 12:58
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razielle_tzu	oh dear	May 22 12:58
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah was on the chest of draws that got moved	May 22 12:58
sebsebseb	and was probably another bin bag or more in there too, that I didn't check !	May 22 12:59
razielle_tzu	this is why i don't let other people sort my stuff out	May 22 13:00
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I didn't !	May 22 13:00
sebsebseb	I didn't let her!	May 22 13:00
sebsebseb	I had no choice !	May 22 13:00
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: plus she took the oppertunity to mess around with stuff, when I am not in there !	May 22 13:01
razielle_tzu	:/	May 22 13:02
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: should have moved it off the chest of draws really, but didn't think lilke that at hte time, I knew she wanted to move it	May 22 13:02
razielle_tzu	was this in your room or somewhere else?	May 22 13:02
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: and its as s3 mini so its small	May 22 13:02
sebsebseb	yeah in my room	May 22 13:02
razielle_tzu	o.O	May 22 13:02
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: pm me	May 22 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866699450940407808	May 22 13:14
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TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers: #WCry / #Ransomwar, #WannaCry,	May 22 13:18
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TweetTuxMachines	Security Leftovers: WCry/Ransomwar, WannaCry, Athena	May 22 13:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866724113645056000	May 22 14:35
TweetTuxMachines	@WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's media	May 22 14:35
TweetTuxMachines	for Wall Street now openly endorses breaking intl' law.	May 22 14:35
TweetTuxMachines	What next? Suggest arming ISIS (twitter.com) (NYT did	May 22 14:35
TweetTuxMachines	it)?	May 22 14:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines @WSJ @sethlipsky CIA is arming isis...	May 22 14:38
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cubexyz	well, I can safely say why the unix v5 disk image didn't have any man pages	May 22 19:05
cubexyz	it's the rk05 disk size of 2.5 megs	May 22 19:06
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cubexyz	ok, all the v6 man pages are 1057 blocks	May 22 19:26
cubexyz	ok, so in the future I'll have a disk just for man pages	May 22 19:27
cubexyz	right now I'm using /usr/local for a lot of stuff	May 22 19:29
cubexyz	there's no way in the v5 era they could have fit all the source code and everything else on one rk05 drive	May 22 19:30
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TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jDz5rgHKNU (tuxmachines.org) #security	May 22 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw	May 22 19:59
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oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RK05 got your size wrong. The non removable rk05 was 5megs	May 22 20:40
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oiaohm	cubexyz: even at 5 megs it kinda pushing it up hill.	May 22 20:41
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cubexyz	oiaohm, no	May 22 23:07
cubexyz	it's 14" IBM-2315 style with 2.5 megs of storage	May 22 23:07
cubexyz	that's what we used for Unix v5	May 22 23:08
cubexyz	there was a RK05F but the driver is for RK05	May 22 23:10
cubexyz	maybe I could compile the rf.c driver though	May 22 23:12
cubexyz	4872 blocks of 512 bytes to be exact	May 22 23:18
cubexyz	even DEC RP series drives could be used	May 22 23:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: the RK05F was the non removable a 5 megs. Some models that thing appear as 2 RK05 2.5 discs.	May 22 23:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: I know the RK05F well because I was using them in highschool.	May 22 23:27
cubexyz	DEC RP03 was an IBM 2314 clone	May 22 23:27
oiaohm	cubexyz: the IBM 2315 is single side media there were a few hacks to make it double sided.	May 22 23:29
cubexyz	I could have 40 megs with the RP03	May 22 23:29
cubexyz	but the original unix v5 disk image is an rk05 disk image, so I used that	May 22 23:30
cubexyz	all emulated of course	May 22 23:30
cubexyz	what was the RK05F connected to? Some unibus PDP-11 I assume?	May 22 23:32
oiaohm	cubexyz: IBM XT by the time I got there.	May 22 23:32
oiaohm	cubexyz: of course that was interface because the first system it had been hooked to was long gone.	May 22 23:33
oiaohm	cubexyz: I cannot remember the OS there was an OS that could not address the 5 meg disc and that is why the RK05F has a split mode.	May 22 23:34
cubexyz	hmmm, I didn't know there was a controller for that	May 22 23:34
oiaohm	cubexyz: its a data recovery controller.	May 22 23:35
cubexyz	there was an RK11 (for PDP-11 unibus) and an RK8E (for PDP-8)	May 22 23:36
oiaohm	cubexyz: Osprey ISA card takes all the RK05 drives include RK05F drives.	May 22 23:38
oiaohm	Of course finding one of those cards these days is hard work.	May 22 23:39
cubexyz	hmmm, there's an Osprey/PC as well	May 22 23:40
cubexyz	executes PDP-11 programs directly	May 22 23:41
cubexyz	way cheaper than trying to keep a real PDP-11	May 22 23:42
cubexyz	not as fun as a real PDP-11, but more practical	May 22 23:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/866839585879334912	May 22 23:44
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cubexyz	of course an FPGA would be the more modern way to go	May 22 23:44
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.strobedata.com/home/ospreyguide.html they do a stack of cards include the all important Real I/O Adapters	May 22 23:45
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cubexyz	ah, they are using FPGA as well	May 22 23:46
cubexyz	too expensive I bet	May 22 23:46
oiaohm	RK05 is unibus card of theirs you need.	May 22 23:46
oiaohm	cubexyz: there is quite a lot you can hook up to a PC if you have the right cards.	May 22 23:49
cubexyz	no, I'm only using simh for everything :)	May 22 23:49
cubexyz	I don't own a real RK05 or a real PDP-11	May 22 23:49
oiaohm	Please note we had the unibus card so the XT was not running any PDP-11 it was running dos software to read PDP-11 formated discs.	May 22 23:50
oiaohm	And some other odd custom OS formated discs as well.	May 22 23:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically my brain worked for a min and I remembered the brand.	May 22 23:52
cubexyz	strobe data in redmond :-/	May 22 23:53
cubexyz	you know what that means	May 22 23:53
cubexyz	migration to windows only	May 22 23:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: there might be other brands. I just know what I used. The old ISA from them work with dos.	May 22 23:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: including freedos.	May 22 23:56
cubexyz	maybe, maybe	May 22 23:56
cubexyz	very appropriate that their logo is a bird of prey :-/	May 22 23:59
cubexyz	usually I just use simh and hercules for the classic computing stuff	May 23 00:00
cubexyz	simh does PDP-11, IBM 1130, vax, interdata	May 23 00:01
cubexyz	but if you had a real RK05 you'd need something like the osprey stuff to archive the data	May 23 00:02
cubexyz	not going to run my nice FOSS Unix v5 on windows, no way	May 23 00:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@BakerPaul_JoAnn https://twitter.com/BakerPaul_JoAnn/status/866923939074723845	May 23 05:01
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 @MaryCass95 @tuxmachines @wikileaks How?	May 23 05:01
TweetTuxMachines	Looking 4new ways. I already boycott everything I can in	May 23 05:01
TweetTuxMachines	this failed Hollywood States (twitter.com) of American	May 23 05:01
TweetTuxMachines	Propaganda, Master Global Terrorist.	May 23 05:01
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liberty_box	https://twitter.com/rodinholland/status/866966874067808257	May 23 06:49
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liberty_box	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/866968883550408704	May 23 06:50
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liberty_box	WIll upload a lot more later when I get to my 'proper' laptop (next month) and can upload to my site	May 23 06:50
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AdmFubar	don't know if you've seen this yet	May 23 10:12
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MinceR	hypePhones are beyond repair anyway :>	May 23 14:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867094335891750912	May 23 15:15
TweetTuxMachines	Major changes when back home	May 23 15:15
TweetTuxMachines	1. Rianne will take over more @tuxmachines duty	May 23 15:15
TweetTuxMachines	2. I won't be keeping up as much with (1)	May 23 15:15
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sebsebseb	hi	May 23 15:21
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 23 15:21
razielle_tzu	'sup?	May 23 15:22
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yep binned phone it does indeed seem	May 23 15:23
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: however can get replacement device online. I know its old now, but that was my first smart phone !	May 23 15:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867105917258551296	May 23 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	#Linux Devices: #RaspberryPi, #PIC32, #LimeMicro	May 23 15:53
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MinceR	http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40012987	May 23 15:59
MinceR	so much for the "new" nokia	May 23 15:59
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 23 16:17
razielle_tzu	o7	May 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867106495476883456	May 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Devices: Raspberry Pi, PIC32, Lime Micro	May 23 16:18
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah can buy a replacement online, I know its a old phone now, but was my first smart phone	May 23 16:19
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: also of course my data that wasn't backed up will still be lost	May 23 16:19
razielle_tzu	always back up or at least store the sd card you should keep everything on somewhere safe instead of in the phone if you're not using it	May 23 16:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867112552727171072	May 23 16:19
TweetTuxMachines	#Galicia continues promotion of free software	May 23 16:20
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/44344bQUdr (tuxmachines.org) #freesw #spain	May 23 16:20
TweetTuxMachines	#freedom #sharing #europe	May 23 16:20
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yes might be better to put phtoos etc on sim card, I thought on phone was ok, but then this...	May 23 16:20
sebsebseb	uj	May 23 16:21
sebsebseb	uh	May 23 16:21
razielle_tzu	the sim card is a different card to an sd card..	May 23 16:21
razielle_tzu	sims are barely even able to hold contacts now	May 23 16:21
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah sd card, is for data, sim for network	May 23 16:21
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: may be better to start doing sommething like that	May 23 16:22
sebsebseb	takes this ubuntu meizu mx 4 for example	May 23 16:22
sebsebseb	now I got a load of stuff on the phone, but	May 23 16:22
sebsebseb	ubuntu touch is about to die	May 23 16:22
sebsebseb	no more updates, nothing, security the lot	May 23 16:22
razielle_tzu	so i heard	May 23 16:22
sebsebseb	a fork would need re flashing	May 23 16:22
sebsebseb	so losing things on phone!	May 23 16:22
sebsebseb	not sure how to back this up	May 23 16:22
razielle_tzu	transfer any actual data on it to another storage device using mtp or whatever	May 23 16:23
razielle_tzu	the software doesn't really matter	May 23 16:23
razielle_tzu	hell use s/ftp to do the transfer or dropbox or another internet based storage	May 23 16:24
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: not sured how to transfer texts from it	May 23 16:24
razielle_tzu	depends on how they're stored	May 23 16:25
MinceR	TENSO >> http://imgur.com/gallery/Of0YK	May 23 16:25
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razielle_tzu	sometimes there's a folder in / that stores them you can export	May 23 16:25
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah in the writeable space some wehre	May 23 16:25
sebsebseb	sojme how	May 23 16:25
razielle_tzu	but i don't know the touch filesystem	May 23 16:25
razielle_tzu	so i can't give you a location to look for	May 23 16:25
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: also meant to replace this phone really in a way soon since that	May 23 16:25
sebsebseb	I don't think a fork will be ready enough in time ubports	May 23 16:25
sebsebseb	ready enough as in useable enough etc as well	May 23 16:26
razielle_tzu	the only fork i'm aware of still needs alpha testing	May 23 16:26
sebsebseb	yeah ubports ?	May 23 16:26
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: also since its the mx 4, and its the same plan as if Canonical had continued it seems or baically	May 23 16:26
razielle_tzu	i can't remember the name of it	May 23 16:26
sebsebseb	will only get seucrity updates	May 23 16:27
sebsebseb	no new features	May 23 16:27
sebsebseb	since older phone	May 23 16:27
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: really Salifish OS can do most stuff	May 23 16:27
sebsebseb	even run android apps	May 23 16:27
sebsebseb	but going from this to the jolla as my main phone, wouldl be a hardware down grade	May 23 16:27
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: a sony xperia should be cojming out with it at like end of june	May 23 16:28
razielle_tzu	despite the mediocre specs i'm actually quite happy with my samsung j3	May 23 16:28
sebsebseb	and there's a salifish os aquafish that can get on ebay from india even	May 23 16:28
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah j3 is a older one as well I think? what year ?	May 23 16:28
MinceR	yeah, systemd and proprietary gui	May 23 16:28
MinceR	no thanks	May 23 16:28
sebsebseb	the s3 mini was good enough as a phone really, probably more than really	May 23 16:28
sebsebseb	but then went down the android altenriavets route	May 23 16:29
razielle_tzu	the j3 isn't that old, i think it was last year	May 23 16:29
sebsebseb	also I wanted a nexus 7 really	May 23 16:29
sebsebseb	MinceR: only Linux altenraigve player left	May 23 16:29
sebsebseb	really	May 23 16:29
sebsebseb	MinceR: unless you in clude tizen	May 23 16:29
sebsebseb	and this isn't incudling any forks, so the cyanmmod fork is out, but thats just android with some changes anyway really	May 23 16:30
MinceR	tizen is cancerd as well	May 23 16:30
MinceR	everything is going to shit	May 23 16:30
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well she's got extra money, once can confirm better that its really been binned or whatever, she would buy me a replacement one or whatever I guess	May 23 16:31
sebsebseb	but data still gone! as I put bove	May 23 16:31
sebsebseb	above	May 23 16:31
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: as for a sd card its not ideal either, small things	May 23 16:31
sebsebseb	can get lost as a result	May 23 16:31
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: maybe the cloud isn't so stupid after all, depending on the service, afer all, for certain stuff	May 23 16:32
razielle_tzu	i keep mine in a case in one spot of my desk and everything on them is on usb drives, my main pc and at least one cloud storage option	May 23 16:32
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I think some of my usb sticks with data on them, may have diappared too, since how she used desk as a dumping ground of things from chest of draws etc uh	May 23 16:32
sebsebseb	so again usb sticks arne't ideal either	May 23 16:32
razielle_tzu	my two important usb drives are in one of my bags	May 23 16:33
razielle_tzu	you could keep them on a keychain in your pocket	May 23 16:33
sebsebseb	did put something or the other on usb sticks like two months ago, since re did la p top, and fat32 uh	May 23 16:33
razielle_tzu	there's loads of options for keeping stuff safe	May 23 16:34
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: oh not with her in the room	May 23 16:34
sebsebseb	well is and isn't	May 23 16:34
sebsebseb	shoud have been ok enough out but nnope	May 23 16:34
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: hopeflly that's the last tiime like that, on her own uh	May 23 16:34
razielle_tzu	like i suggested last night get a lock on the door?	May 23 16:34
razielle_tzu	if you have a pc store usb drives and stuff in the case?	May 23 16:35
razielle_tzu	a loose floorboard?	May 23 16:35
sebsebseb	I knew she wanted to move chest of draws, but didn't think like oh, oh yeah that phone is on there, should move, plus started messing around in there earier than thought would	May 23 16:35
razielle_tzu	seriously, think like a kid trying to hide smokes or something	May 23 16:35
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah, but shoudb't need too	May 23 16:35
sebsebseb	but yes I know what you mean	May 23 16:35
razielle_tzu	i know but it sounds like she has no sense of personal space so you're going to have to	May 23 16:36
sebsebseb	went in other thing to, all over uh lots of places	May 23 16:36
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I think it knocked off chest of draws into a bin bag	May 23 16:36
sebsebseb	and she didn't check that bin bag so	May 23 16:36
sebsebseb	gone	May 23 16:36
razielle_tzu	the only reason my pc case isn't used for storing things is because i can't actually easily open it up to do so	May 23 16:36
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: had been other times, and after its like, where is this and that, and usal.ly things turn up, but this time uhmm ah	May 23 16:37
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: she says to me at times that I don't see things right in front of my nose, well she obviously didn't or whatever last week then !	May 23 16:37
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: a s3 mini still like 100 pounds more thanm, I suppouse it was a flag ship or pretty much so	May 23 16:40
razielle_tzu	yeah	May 23 16:40
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: makes me think higher of it now in a way, but its gone now too so uhmm	May 23 16:41
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: i could do with android or salifsh os maybe if can get apps working ok	May 23 16:41
razielle_tzu	i had to swap the mainboard in mine, as well as the screen/digitizer so i need to root and flash a custom rom back on to it but idon't think i'll bother unless i need to actually use it again	May 23 16:42
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: you broke yours?	May 23 16:42
sebsebseb	and what rom ?	May 23 16:43
razielle_tzu	dropped it and cracked the screen... couldn't be bothered to mess with heating hte glue to just replace the glass and then it got dropped in water by someone who was borrowing it so i had to rebuild it again	May 23 16:43
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: got a cheap aldi android phone to, that got last year, that not powered on yet actsaully since....	May 23 16:43
razielle_tzu	i think n.light or something like that was the last rom i had on that	May 23 16:44
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well my s3 mini survived washing machine like three months or so after getting	May 23 16:45
sebsebseb	yeah a wash cycle for like over an hour	May 23 16:45
sebsebseb	opended up and there it was on looking at me	May 23 16:45
razielle_tzu	the water caused a short that fried the mainboard, it got stuck in a bootloop and restoring it didn't help	May 23 16:45
sebsebseb	some green lines down it for a while, but dropping agian made it go ok	May 23 16:46
sebsebseb	a few months or so later	May 23 16:46
sebsebseb	plus icone were a bit uh	May 23 16:46
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: so yeah it survices washing machine, but then it doens't survive my Mum last week uh ?	May 23 16:46
razielle_tzu	she's reset it, swapped the sim and is using it herself when she's out of the house	May 23 16:47
razielle_tzu	:P	May 23 16:47
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: nope way to non techei for that	May 23 16:47
sebsebseb	I know you meant as a joke	May 23 16:47
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: by the way with my ubuntu tablet, the guy says cant just get the sreen etc	May 23 16:48
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: so could buy a replacement device and take the bits out that are needed	May 23 16:48
razielle_tzu	pretty much but if you do that you may as well use the new one	May 23 16:48
sebsebseb	or I just use the replacement device hmm, but means mine is yep in bits	May 23 16:48
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well it would be second hand	May 23 16:49
*razielle_tzu shrugs		May 23 16:49
razielle_tzu	just like most of my current tech	May 23 16:49
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I suppouse could use replacement yeah	May 23 16:50
sebsebseb	its clean anyway or to the extent of a factory reset	May 23 16:50
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: but you don't know quite the quality of a second hand device	May 23 16:50
sebsebseb	mine not quite iether, just that its been dropped here and there	May 23 16:50
razielle_tzu	if it's a refurb or just purchased from the last user i don't expect it to be pristine and i always do as much as i can to clean it anyway just in case	May 23 16:51
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah so what's better, just use some replaement device, or have him take out the needed parts that I need ?	May 23 16:51
razielle_tzu	depends on if the storage and stuff get swapped too... i have no idea how integrated the hardware is for that tablet... personally i'd go with using the replacement	May 23 16:52
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well he said, the digitiizer and lcd are dconnected toghere	May 23 16:52
sebsebseb	three parts even	May 23 16:52
razielle_tzu	just use the replacement... you do remember how to make sure a tablet is actually clean right?	May 23 16:53
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: clean as in in what context ?	May 23 16:53
razielle_tzu	no remnants of another users data rather than physically	May 23 16:54
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I don't know, I just factory reset my one before giving it to him, I know that may not be perfect	May 23 16:54
razielle_tzu	i do advanced wipes so i can make sure the dalvik cache is done too (might not be applicable to touch, i have no idea) and then use an app (i forget the name) to do the rest when it's booted and connected to a network	May 23 16:55
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I feel tehre may be some traces of some of my data some wehre, on ubuntu tablet	May 23 16:56
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: but yes if he glues up etc it may not be done so well	May 23 16:58
sebsebseb	I remember the ipad	May 23 16:58
sebsebseb	so in that case using the replacement could be better	May 23 16:58
razielle_tzu	i know there is of mine... partially intentionally as a challenge to someone that claimed to be able to find me anywhere online a few years ago	May 23 16:58
sebsebseb	oh ?	May 23 16:58
razielle_tzu	when i was in poland i was doing a few things for fun and profit and someone overheard and claimed to be able to link my name to an old account that did other things... i left a few traces of things for him to follow to actually do it... i'm still waiting for him to email the address at the end of the trail	May 23 16:59
razielle_tzu	at the same time i took control of six of his accounts and locked him out from most of his tools	May 23 17:00
sebsebseb	right ok	May 23 17:01
sebsebseb	and you also took dwon the NHS the other week using NSA ransomware	May 23 17:02
razielle_tzu	nah, not my style	May 23 17:02
razielle_tzu	i do fun things or get revenge	May 23 17:02
razielle_tzu	also i'd be charging more than that to decrypt	May 23 17:02
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ubuntu touch has like read only space for the os, and read writable space for data etc or something like that	May 23 17:02
razielle_tzu	so like most mobile devices then?	May 23 17:03
sebsebseb	so factoty re setting	May 23 17:03
sebsebseb	should have got rid of the read writable stuff	May 23 17:03
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: sure its android hardware otherwise	May 23 17:03
razielle_tzu	that reminds me... i need to do a restore and copy the stock rom so if i root and flash a custom rom i have a clean back up	May 23 17:04
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: factory re set on own, may have left some traces I guess, but thats about all that can do with touch anyway I think	May 23 17:05
razielle_tzu	ooo and it's almost time for me to check my gaming system for infections too... doubt i have any still but it's always fun	May 23 17:05
sebsebseb	in fections ?	May 23 17:06
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: but yeah if he takes apart and glues up tablet, may not do such a good job	May 23 17:06
razielle_tzu	yeah, my gaming system is pretty much undefended so it could have picked something up. aside from games there's just a linux vm on it and music on an external hdd	May 23 17:06
sebsebseb	gaming system is windows ?	May 23 17:07
razielle_tzu	yup	May 23 17:07
sebsebseb	7 ?	May 23 17:07
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razielle_tzu	8.1	May 23 17:07
sebsebseb	8.1 oh	May 23 17:07
sebsebseb	this lap top was 8.1 but upgraded back to 10 other week	May 23 17:07
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: rang hp, then to microsoft, no wasn't going to let them remote connect me !	May 23 17:08
razielle_tzu	i won't use 10 until support for 8 is dropped	May 23 17:08
sebsebseb	re installed from that hp usb	May 23 17:08
sebsebseb	since in the hardware databse upgraindg to 10 should have been ok, b ut then it was like how etc	May 23 17:08
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: hp guy gave me a microsoft number	May 23 17:08
razielle_tzu	i now my machine CAN run 10 but until i get some more ram and support for 8 is dropped it's not happeninng	May 23 17:09
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: so indian woman, went through the software a bit	May 23 17:09
razielle_tzu	*know	May 23 17:09
sebsebseb	they offer to remote connect, but not having that	May 23 17:09
sebsebseb	real ms or not !	May 23 17:09
sebsebseb	MinceR would let real Microsoft in	May 23 17:09
sebsebseb	of course they might hae a back door or something anyway, but yeah	May 23 17:10
razielle_tzu	if someone offers that i say the network stack is part of the problem, it's not connecting	May 23 17:10
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: they sounded liike those indidian scam calls	May 23 17:10
sebsebseb	but this was the real ms	May 23 17:10
razielle_tzu	so?	May 23 17:10
sebsebseb	real Micsofot indidian tech support	May 23 17:10
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I don't want ms in my compuer at all :)	May 23 17:10
sebsebseb	but yeah someitmes have reason to use that sucky os	May 23 17:11
sebsebseb	uh driving thorey, wich uhmm right	May 23 17:11
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yep Linux distros are better	May 23 17:11
sebsebseb	shame about the lack of certain prorgrams here and there though	May 23 17:11
sebsebseb	games can go under that if you want	May 23 17:11
razielle_tzu	with the right config most things can get around it	May 23 17:12
MinceR	sebsebseb: what	May 23 17:12
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah wine	May 23 17:12
sebsebseb	but wine and such, can be tricky to get working right	May 23 17:12
razielle_tzu	that's one way	May 23 17:12
razielle_tzu	a vm is another	May 23 17:12
sebsebseb	MinceR: you would let the real or fake Microsoft remote connect your computer	May 23 17:12
MinceR	i don't see why	May 23 17:12
sebsebseb	MinceR: for tech support	May 23 17:12
sebsebseb	you would let apple in too	May 23 17:13
MinceR	what are you talking about?	May 23 17:13
MinceR	they don't even know anything necessary to support my tech :>	May 23 17:13
razielle_tzu	if they can't explain it for me to do it myself (should i ever need to contact them, which is unlikely) they don't deserve to be remotely connected to follow a step-by-step sat on their desk or on a screen	May 23 17:13
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well driving thoerey discs later ones have drm, so need windows	May 23 17:13
sebsebseb	or last time I Tried wine	May 23 17:13
sebsebseb	for something like that, got a evevn newer one now	May 23 17:14
razielle_tzu	so use a vm and pass the drive through directly	May 23 17:14
sebsebseb	pass drive diredctly ? what you mean, and when its on a multi boot ?	May 23 17:14
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I would have to have a windows 10 or something in the vmm	May 23 17:15
sebsebseb	that works iwth the disc etc	May 23 17:15
razielle_tzu	using virtualbox you can have the vm read the host drive as though it was connected directly to the vm, i think other vm programs do the same thing	May 23 17:15
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: tye y9st	May 23 17:16
sebsebseb	the host drive	May 23 17:16
sebsebseb	the one that is runnign the linux distro ?	May 23 17:16
razielle_tzu	the optical drive connected to the host	May 23 17:16
sebsebseb	with both oses on the same disc	May 23 17:16
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: sounds like still need a sepeate drive	May 23 17:17
razielle_tzu	nope	May 23 17:17
sebsebseb	if it could just work with the partion, that could work	May 23 17:17
razielle_tzu	no multiboot either	May 23 17:17
sebsebseb	10 is on pshcailly as is linux but same disk	May 23 17:17
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razielle_tzu	i'm talking about a linux host, controlling a vm running windows that is reading the linux machines optical drive	May 23 17:18
razielle_tzu	no multiboot, seperate partitions or any of that crap	May 23 17:18
razielle_tzu	just literally passing the optical drive directly to the vm	May 23 17:18
sebsebseb	ok how ?	May 23 17:20
sebsebseb	so your sayng ubuntu is running right now	May 23 17:20
sebsebseb	i can get into the 10 install	May 23 17:20
sebsebseb	that's on the same disk	May 23 17:20
sebsebseb	using virtual box ?	May 23 17:20
sebsebseb	from ubuntu ?	May 23 17:20
sebsebseb	the pshyiall instlal running now	May 23 17:21
razielle_tzu	no i'm talking about installing 10 on a vm and then telling the vm that the host's optical drive is where the vm should look for optical media bypassing the host reading it	May 23 17:21
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah can II download one from ms that would work in vbox	May 23 17:21
sebsebseb	or something	May 23 17:21
sebsebseb	plus they had another update after anisviery edidiont	May 23 17:21
razielle_tzu	i have one that would work but i didn't get it from m$	May 23 17:21
razielle_tzu	and it's only 2 months out of date as far as updates are concerned	May 23 17:22
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: somewhere got a genuine xp disc still ( unless she chucked out some whow, probably not )	May 23 17:22
sebsebseb	those dics could work with that to	May 23 17:22
sebsebseb	YAY piin ball	May 23 17:22
razielle_tzu	that would have to be air gapped	May 23 17:22
razielle_tzu	no wifi, no lan, no bluetooth	May 23 17:23
razielle_tzu	oh and an old usb protection circuit	May 23 17:23
razielle_tzu	same with any version of 7 that isn't part of the extended support scheme	May 23 17:24
sebsebseb	yes true I emeant for offline use though	May 23 17:25
sebsebseb	and yay pin ball :d	May 23 17:25
razielle_tzu	i prefer minesweeper or chess	May 23 17:25
sebsebseb	and paint even before it got all fancy iit seems in this new windows 10 update	May 23 17:25
sebsebseb	free cell :)	May 23 17:25
razielle_tzu	i haven't touched paint since win98	May 23 17:25
sebsebseb	oh yeah windows 3.1 emulater stuff on archeive .org now I remember, can play the classic soliatere	May 23 17:26
sebsebseb	and do more	May 23 17:26
razielle_tzu	if i want to play card games i'll get a physical deck out	May 23 17:26
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: a pshyicall deck is ok too	May 23 17:31
sebsebseb	but virtual is good	May 23 17:31
razielle_tzu	for card games, unless i'm playing CAH with peeps from everywhere, i prefer having them in my hand	May 23 17:32
sebsebseb	whats CAH ?	May 23 17:32
razielle_tzu	cards against humanity	May 23 17:32
sebsebseb	oh not sure of that one	May 23 17:32
razielle_tzu	heh, look it up	May 23 17:32
sebsebseb	oh yeah schestowitz is from Manchester well Germany to	May 23 17:38
sebsebseb	not taked about this one here yet but	May 23 17:38
sebsebseb	yes	May 23 17:38
sebsebseb	schestowitz: razielle_tzu what you think to the news /?	May 23 17:39
razielle_tzu	it's devastating but at the same time i don't know anyone personally that lives out there	May 23 17:39
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah only schestowitz but we only know him in cyber space really :d	May 23 17:41
razielle_tzu	i was glad to hear some of the things in the aftermath though, like all the homeless peeps jumping in to help get people out and stuff	May 23 17:44
sebsebseb	hea	May 23 17:45
sebsebseb	yeah well kids like one said on itv news homeless guy	May 23 17:45
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razielle_tzu	i heard there was more than one that jumped in to help	May 23 17:46
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liberty_box	https://twitter.com/HeavenWatch11/status/867148168676364288	May 23 18:41
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liberty_box	In favour of Martial Law?	May 23 18:41
liberty_box	https://soc.ialis.me/users/greycat/updates/10794	May 23 18:43
liberty_box	"Plato predicted this 2500 years ago. Democracy crumbles as the people become apathetic and frightened -- they turn to a tyrant who promises to solve all their problems. Duterte, Trump, Erdogan, May ... the tyrants have global reach.	May 23 18:43
liberty_box	It will all break soon. I don't think there's any stopping that now."	May 23 18:43
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liberty_box	Rockstar worship for the likes of Trump, Duterte and others. It's Obama's "Hope" gone rightwing	May 23 18:44
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/867149460966711297	May 23 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Always loved Plato but so many people disagreed with me. Told me he was a rotten author <shrug> I suppose they cannot read...		May 23 18:47
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/HeavenWatch11/status/867149575743655936	May 23 18:47
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liberty_box	What does "We" mean here. Thailand had it, it's new in Philippines, may be coming with May to UK	May 23 18:49
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cubexyz	just can't stand tiny screens and tiny keyboards	May 23 19:35
cubexyz	got to have a full sized keyboard and screen	May 23 19:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867226533206929409	May 23 23:53
TweetTuxMachines	#RedHat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, Automation	May 23 23:53
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TweetTuxMachines	#rhel #gnu #linux	May 23 23:53
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, Automation Tools...'		May 24 00:00
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TweetTuxMachines	Red Hat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, Automation	May 24 00:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/867230515597905920	May 24 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #RedHat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, Automation	May 24 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief Tools https://t.co/6YBv0TG2Hr (tuxmachines.org) #security	May 24 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	#rhel #gnu #linux	May 24 00:40
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cubexyz	ok, I did some experimenting with the rk driver	May 24 01:11
cubexyz	/etc/mkfs /dev/rk l;s	May 24 01:12
cubexyz	seems 4971 blocks is the limit	May 24 01:15
cubexyz	that appears to be the limit of the rk driver	May 24 01:17
cubexyz	ok, so tonight I move all the man pages to /usr/man	May 24 01:23
cubexyz	that line with mkfs is garbled	May 24 01:33
cubexyz	/etc/mkfs /dev/rk3 4971	May 24 01:33
cubexyz	there's a #define NRKBLK 4872	May 24 01:37
cubexyz	not sure why I can squeeze 99 blocks more out of it	May 24 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867255479092883456	May 24 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	#LinuxFoundation and #LinuxKernel https://t.co/BZNXiNt27q	May 24 01:48
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#LinuxFoundation and #LinuxKernel https://t.co/BZNXiNt27q'		May 24 01:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867257529180471296	May 24 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy and	May 24 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	#Security https://t.co/xLMGMbiaSP (tuxmachines.org)	May 24 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	#surveillance #anonymity #tails #tor	May 24 01:56
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cubexyz	the unix v7 install has a simulated 150 meg drive	May 24 01:57
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy...'		May 24 02:00
*TweetTuxMachines @spygearco favourited '4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy...'		May 24 02:00
cubexyz	the rf driver looks very limiting	May 24 02:02
cubexyz	"each disk contains 1024 256-word blocks"	May 24 02:02
cubexyz	back in the day they divided the rp drives into 2 parts	May 24 02:05
cubexyz	"a full rp drive is 81200 blocks"	May 24 02:05
cubexyz	but...	May 24 02:05
cubexyz	the system can only address up to 65536 blocks	May 24 02:05
cubexyz	the 16-bit limit	May 24 02:06
cubexyz	ah, in v5 era this is the limit... after that probably not	May 24 02:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867260890080358400	May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Foundation and Linux Kernel https://t.co/KagCydqTVD	May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 02:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867260902315147264	May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines	4 Great Linux Distros Designed for Privacy and Security	May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wxqqghkxMF (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pjA4qEvfnb	May 24 02:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867260905360244736	May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines	Security Leftovers: HackerOne, Let's Encrypt, and Shadow	May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines	Brokers https://t.co/bbBd6NTkFE (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines		May 24 02:08
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cubexyz	so I'll follow the directives of the unix v5 manual... that means /dev/rp0 will be 40600 blocks	May 24 02:09
cubexyz	tons of space!	May 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867261061849731072	May 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers: #HackerOne, #LetsEncrypt, and	May 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	#ShadowBrokers https://t.co/jA0b6WQqjt (tuxmachines.org)	May 24 02:10
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cubexyz	document of this era likes to talk about 256 words	May 24 02:11
cubexyz	that's 512 bytes	May 24 02:12
cubexyz	and block 0 of a disk is "unused"	May 24 02:12
cubexyz	but it could contain stuff like a bootstrap program or label or some other info	May 24 02:13
cubexyz	ok... the 99 block thing is explained	May 24 02:15
cubexyz	there should be 99 blocks reserved for the free list which is used by check	May 24 02:16
cubexyz	so probably it's bad juju using 4971 blocks like I did	May 24 02:17
cubexyz	so it's back to using 4872 blocks then	May 24 02:18
cubexyz	each era of unix had it's own filesystem checking program	May 24 02:20
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: #HackerOne, #LetsEncrypt, and #ShadowBrokers https://t.co/jA0b6WQqjt'		May 24 02:24
*TweetTuxMachines @amuseum favourited '4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy...'		May 24 02:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867271420069298177	May 24 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	Software: #NetworkManager, #Kodi, #Cumulus Weather App,	May 24 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	#Streamlink, #Calibre https://t.co/mEMfkR6OzL	May 24 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #freesw #gnu #linux	May 24 02:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #NetworkManager, #Kodi, #Cumulus Weather App, #Streamlink, #Calibre...'		May 24 02:52
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TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Leftovers: #Security, #Unity, Internet, and	May 24 03:08
TweetTuxMachines	Derivatives https://t.co/dZuhX3IpJ9 (tuxmachines.org)	May 24 03:08
TweetTuxMachines	#ubuntu #canonical #gnu #linux	May 24 03:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu Leftovers: #Security, #Unity, Internet, and Derivatives https://t.co/dZuhX3IpJ9...'		May 24 03:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867277501764063233	May 24 03:14
TweetTuxMachines	Software: NetworkManager, Kodi, Cumulus Weather App,	May 24 03:14
TweetTuxMachines	Streamlink, Calibre https://t.co/BtUCBM9sEe	May 24 03:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 03:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867277503601164289	May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Leftovers: Security, Unity, Internet, and	May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	Derivatives https://t.co/1aTLw0bPYK (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 04:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294364166348800	May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	LibreOffice News https://t.co/7oTWtIQ5WI	May 24 04:21
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TweetTuxMachines	Events and Talks https://t.co/vu1O6GHrZA	May 24 04:21
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TweetTuxMachines	OSS Leftovers https://t.co/b5yv2YT36x	May 24 04:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294368192798721	May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	Debian and Derivatives https://t.co/vkWx8i4Mma	May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 04:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294369451134976	May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines	Fedora and Red Hat https://t.co/jndopSAFEq	May 24 04:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294370818433024	May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines	GNOME News: Black Lab Drops GNOME and Further GNOME	May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines	Experiments in Meson https://t.co/c6rh36o6zl	May 24 04:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294372789866496	May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines	More of today's howtos https://t.co/8XqzPvBFR9	May 24 04:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294374731759616	May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines	Graphics News https://t.co/L09913c9d3	May 24 04:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294376371773440	May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines	today's leftovers https://t.co/2rtY89gOMI	May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 04:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294536002748416	May 24 04:34
TweetTuxMachines	Links 24/5/2017: New #RHEL Beta, #SteamOS Updated	May 24 04:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1fcI0RGnSz (techrights.org) … #techrights	May 24 04:34
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Pompous Pompeo has already demonstrated his hypocrisy...'		May 24 04:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867300690724405248	May 24 05:38
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Links 24/5/2017: New #RHEL Beta, #SteamOS Updated	May 24 05:38
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/1fcI0RGnSz (techrights.org) … #techrights	May 24 05:38
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks This is the man who cracked (illegal)...'		May 24 05:38
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks This is the man who...'		May 24 05:58
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Recent developments have forced into silence or...'		May 24 05:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867351881152057344	May 24 08:11
TweetTuxMachines	Gaming News https://t.co/1pYIuVsQPc (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 08:11
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Gaming News https://t.co/1pYIuVsQPc'		May 24 08:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/ThreadDotRun/status/867356014156419073	May 24 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Gaming News https://t.co/1pYIuVsQPc (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 10:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867458755557863424	May 24 15:16
TweetTuxMachines	#RedHat News: #Flatpak, #CloudLinux, Red Hat Enterprise	May 24 15:16
TweetTuxMachines	Linux (#RHEL) 7.4 https://t.co/6Xt0UTSqit	May 24 15:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat News: #Flatpak, #CloudLinux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux...'		May 24 15:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867459959759413254	May 24 15:34
TweetTuxMachines	Red Hat News: Flatpak, CloudLinux, Red Hat Enterprise	May 24 15:34
TweetTuxMachines	Linux (RHEL) 7.4 https://t.co/9mYJ0TXyAu	May 24 15:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 15:34
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd Vastly improved morale today'		May 24 15:34
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd @HenrikhMkh CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!'		May 24 15:54
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @ManUtd @HenrikhMkh CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!'		May 24 16:01
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd Finally he can walk again... back into...'		May 24 16:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @ManUtd Finally he can walk again......'		May 24 16:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867487688844128256	May 24 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	#KDE, #Qt, #GTK and #GNOME News https://t.co/OayyJniuoq	May 24 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux	May 24 17:10
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 24 17:12
razielle_tzu	hi sebsebseb	May 24 17:13
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ok turned up found it	May 24 17:13
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: in a place should have looked really too	May 24 17:13
razielle_tzu	fair	May 24 17:15
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: Ubuntu ambience theme you want to try that aws just reading	May 24 17:16
razielle_tzu	no i don't	May 24 17:17
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: Manchester news again of course	May 24 17:18
razielle_tzu	manchester is going to be in the news for a while	May 24 17:20
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah watching bbc one	May 24 17:20
sebsebseb	with my Mum	May 24 17:20
razielle_tzu	our tv hasn't been on in a couple of months now	May 24 17:29
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cubexyz	ugh, a bit tedious moving everything over to a new drive	May 24 21:53
razielle_tzu	it always is	May 24 21:53
cubexyz	on v5 it's extra tedious	May 24 21:54
cubexyz	still not sure if I could have had those 99 extra blocks	May 24 21:54
cubexyz	but I'm playing it safe	May 24 21:54
razielle_tzu	fair	May 24 21:54
cubexyz	plus I have to type in the missing man pages manually	May 24 21:55
cubexyz	it's maybe 25% done	May 24 21:55
razielle_tzu	ouch	May 24 21:55
cubexyz	yeah progress has been disappointing slow	May 24 22:02
cubexyz	I started 6 years ago :-/	May 24 22:02
razielle_tzu	:/	May 24 22:02
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cubexyz	what people may not know is that by 1974 unix had already reached a high level of sophisication	May 24 22:34
cubexyz	far beyond anything we had on home computers	May 24 22:34
cubexyz	maybe not graphics wise or storage wise	May 24 22:35
cubexyz	compare it to amigados 1.3 for example	May 24 22:35
cubexyz	you had to buy a compiler, and I think you had to buy an assembler too	May 24 22:38
cubexyz	can't remember any free compiler, although there probably was one	May 24 22:38
cubexyz	the original v5 manual was preserved, it's 306 pages	May 24 22:42
cubexyz	chunks of the original v5 userland are still missing	May 24 22:44
cubexyz	I've resurrected a big chunk of that... that took a long time	May 24 22:45
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cubexyz	amazing to think Roosevelt imposed a top tax rate of 94%	May 25 00:38
cubexyz	in Eisenhower's time: 91%	May 25 00:38
cubexyz	I wonder what the top tax rate under Trump will be	May 25 00:39
cubexyz	looks like it's 39.6% now	May 25 00:40
cubexyz	you'd have to earn $400K+ to get that rate	May 25 00:41
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amarsh04	well, I've met the late Dennis Ritchie and John Lions, that's about my only brushes with Unix history	May 25 10:41
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liberty_box	https://twitter.com/johnonolenin/status/867854009255645185	May 25 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnonolenin: @schestowitz @JulianAssange https://t.co/F1ezy4xJ61		May 25 17:26
liberty_box	He won't. He just hired him...	May 25 17:26
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/867854334263832576	May 25 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wendycockcroft: @schestowitz .@DavidAFrench oh Daaaaviiiid! This is the kind of thing I'm trying to bring to your attention: vengea… https://t.co/YX5ClzXWXK		May 25 17:27
liberty_box	"	May 25 17:27
liberty_box	.@DavidAFrench oh Daaaaviiiid! This is the kind of thing I'm trying to bring to your attention: vengeance V the rule of law. Your take?	May 25 17:27
liberty_box	"	May 25 17:27
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/sda729/status/867855408035188737	May 25 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sda729: @schestowitz Is everyone outraged because Duterte is not buying his munitions from US?		May 25 17:33
liberty_box	No, there has been a lot more to it than that	May 25 17:33
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867855793424441344	May 25 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange I've heard our system will always end up two party system. Game theory. I should look i… https://t.co/e4UCKeGJFL		May 25 17:33
liberty_box	"	May 25 17:34
liberty_box	I've heard our system will always end up two party system. Game theory. I should look it up. Anyways, I don't like any of the other parties.	May 25 17:34
liberty_box	"	May 25 17:34
liberty_box	But look at France: 4-way split (first round)	May 25 17:34
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/RonaldVermeij/status/867856896312705024	May 25 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RonaldVermeij: @schestowitz Time to turn [...\|off] the Tell-a-#Lie-vision (#TV ) apparatus for good, re-connect face-to-face again… https://t.co/e1IqTKntHZ		May 25 17:37
liberty_box	"	May 25 17:37
liberty_box	Time to turn [...\|off] the Tell-a-#Lie-vision (#TV ) apparatus for good, re-connect face-to-face again and get on with our real-lives.	May 25 17:37
liberty_box	"	May 25 17:37
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/Carlospuntocom/status/867857494948839424	May 25 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Carlospuntocom: https://t.co/fQpELybINt https://t.co/g9WtkoWQgv		May 25 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Carlospuntocom: https://t.co/RqAnNjLq6J https://t.co/jeCaQeAU9K		May 25 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #google is bring #drm to living room, having lobbied to bring it to the WWW too https://t.co/TrRvo7VdX3		May 25 17:40
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/nyxpooka/status/867857627849555969	May 25 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyxpooka: @schestowitz https://t.co/AQQDtTNMPv thought you might want to see this.		May 25 17:40
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/nyxpooka/status/867857712318750721	May 25 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyxpooka: @SandraEckersley @gerge42 @schestowitz @ingeniarius08 @wikileaks ?		May 25 17:40
liberty_box	You're wasting your time replying to her, but I too am guilty of that	May 25 17:40
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867857790546694146	May 25 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange Different system of elections. But to change that we need to change the constitution. P… https://t.co/ZjE3bDTpC3		May 25 17:41
liberty_box	"	May 25 17:41
liberty_box	Different system of elections. But to change that we need to change the constitution. Personally, I don't believe democracy is good anymore.	May 25 17:41
liberty_box	"	May 25 17:41
liberty_box	Rather, believe that what you have is no longer democracy and hence democracy itself isn't the issue	May 25 17:41
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867858077151875072	May 25 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange Unless we somehow fix it so they deal with long term problems and have to be loyal to c… https://t.co/CFVd68scRK		May 25 17:42
liberty_box	"	May 25 17:42
liberty_box	Unless we somehow fix it so they deal with long term problems and have to be loyal to citizens, not import new ones who vote how they want.	May 25 17:42
liberty_box	"	May 25 17:42
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/johnonolenin/status/867858445667414017	May 25 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnonolenin: @schestowitz @JulianAssange I know, just my opinion		May 25 17:43
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TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #linux #google #aosp	May 25 18:05
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TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #raspi #hardware	May 25 18:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867864304942333952	May 25 18:56
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Linux Devices https://t.co/Bx7XlkNJCe (tuxmachines.org)	May 25 18:56
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz #gnu #linux #raspi #hardware	May 25 18:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867876972730253312	May 25 18:57
TweetTuxMachines	#Gaming News https://t.co/fUd0Ynx2nB (tuxmachines.org)	May 25 18:57
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #games	May 25 18:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867877227886555136	May 25 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #Gaming News https://t.co/fUd0Ynx2nB (tuxmachines.org)	May 25 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz #gnu #linux #games	May 25 19:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867889478022475776	May 25 19:46
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos https://t.co/aTrFlinoOe (tuxmachines.org)	May 25 19:46
TweetTuxMachines	#howto #gnu #linux #unix	May 25 19:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@linuxusergroup https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/867891415681908738	May 25 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	@xychelsea Gonna keep this positive.. do give	May 25 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	@Steam_games a go! So good 2 exercise @FSF-minded	May 25 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	platforms on cutting edge. @SteamLUG @tuxmachines	May 25 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	(twitter.com) 🕊️💚🐧!	May 25 20:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867893072679456768	May 25 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	#LinuxFoundation Grows So Much it Hires a Chief of Staff	May 25 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mZbdk3WUzz (tuxmachines.org) background:	May 25 20:01
TweetTuxMachines	#dell #emc etc. #gnu #linux #kernel #freesw	May 25 20:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867896882097532928	May 25 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers https://t.co/WC2KLJEqdS	May 25 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #samba	May 25 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	#wannacry	May 25 20:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/WC2KLJEqdS #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #samba...'		May 25 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867899652787404800	May 25 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem	May 25 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernel	May 25 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	#ext4	May 25 20:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867899951665352704	May 25 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem	May 25 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernel	May 25 20:47
TweetTuxMachines	#ext4	May 25 20:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS #linux...'		May 25 20:55
*TweetTuxMachines @myflywheel retweeted @tuxmachines: 'An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS #linux...'		May 25 20:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@xychelsea Gonna keep this positive.. do give @Steam_games...'		May 25 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867928609058562048	May 25 22:27
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu-Based Alternatives and #Snapcraft 2.30	May 25 22:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1HsRJyqkA5 (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu	May 25 22:27
TweetTuxMachines	#canonical #linuxmint	May 25 22:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/jesusguevarauto/status/867931792199831556	May 25 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem	May 25 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernel	May 25 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	#ext4	May 25 22:35
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cubexyz	Devuan Jeesie 1.0 released	May 26 01:06
cubexyz	Jessie	May 26 01:06
cubexyz	who knows, maybe there'll be a Fedora fork	May 26 01:07
MinceR	i doubt it	May 26 01:09
MinceR	fedora is one with the cancer, through and through	May 26 01:09
MinceR	it has as much of the toxic redhat ideas as is currently possible	May 26 01:09
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/OIEBbI7.jpg	May 26 01:54
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/WiB12FC.jpg (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/qxyIm )	May 26 01:58
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cubexyz	damn	May 26 02:52
cubexyz	I think xautolock will stop a download	May 26 02:52
cubexyz	I can set up a notifier to warn me when it's within a certain margin	May 26 02:58
cubexyz	ok, added a 3 minute warning notifier	May 26 03:12
cubexyz	one could flash the screen, but I'll use xmessage	May 26 03:14
cubexyz	that will stay on the screen	May 26 03:14
cubexyz	of course I could just kill xautolock in that situation	May 26 03:18
oiaohm	MinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Branding its interesting fedora design make rebranding very possible.	May 26 03:47
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oiaohm	MinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FCNewInit and there have been quite a few different fedora forks at different times.	May 26 03:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange What helps guard you is...'		May 26 04:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange What helps guard you is public opinion...'		May 26 05:18
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange The EU is no beacon of...'		May 26 05:18
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange The EU is no...'		May 26 05:36
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Where was such a claim even made?...'		May 26 05:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Where was such a claim...'		May 26 06:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868048023300878336	May 26 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	Links 25/5/2017: #Mesa 17.1.1, #Qt 5.9.0 RC, and Much	May 26 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	More https://t.co/NmBBvJMvIm (techrights.org) …	May 26 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	#techrights	May 26 06:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868048231145459717	May 26 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	Linux-based gizmo offers remote 3D printer control and	May 26 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	sharing https://t.co/SZI7DgKDe9 (tuxmachines.org) #linux	May 26 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	#3dprinting	May 26 06:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux-based gizmo offers remote 3D printer control and...'		May 26 06:19
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 25/5/2017: #Mesa 17.1.1, #Qt 5.9.0 RC, and...'		May 26 06:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868063921705320448	May 26 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	#AlpineLinux 3.6.0 Released https://t.co/VQFzVObgEd	May 26 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux	May 26 07:20
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@WLTaskForce @wikileaks Having a political view and speaking...'		May 26 14:31
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/gamification	May 26 14:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @WLTaskForce @wikileaks Having a political view...'		May 26 14:56
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/zocNrsT.jpg	May 26 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868179018423521280	May 26 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	When back home I will change focus/strategy a little.	May 26 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	Notably: Rianne do more of @tuxmachines and the account	May 26 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	will be used more. Efficiency.	May 26 15:38
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/uFTwrrH.jpg	May 26 15:56
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/fishillusionment	May 26 16:17
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liberty_box_	https://mastodon.art/users/znkd/updates/10365	May 26 16:22
liberty_box_	"I used to only have nokia phones, back in the day of keyboards. Well I had like 2 or 3. The last I lost it. Was my favourite mobile of all time."	May 26 16:22
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MinceR	i had 2, they sucked	May 26 16:22
MinceR	then nokia became a m$ puppet, then nokia became a crApple puppet	May 26 16:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868218047906988032	May 26 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	Wine 2.9 released https://t.co/HtQigijM69	May 26 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #wine #software	May 26 17:32
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cubexyz	hmmm there's also the -corners option of xautolock	May 26 18:06
cubexyz	move the mouse pointer into a corner and xautolock won't do its thing	May 26 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868218306209095680	May 26 18:08
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Wine 2.9 released https://t.co/HtQigijM69	May 26 18:08
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (tuxmachines.org) #wine #software	May 26 18:08
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MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DApA1wTXkAAREC3.jpg	May 26 18:13
cubexyz	ok, and it has -disable and -enable	May 26 18:21
cubexyz	that covers it	May 26 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868232973941735424	May 26 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	First Look at #Devuan 1.0: A Free OS Designed for #Debian	May 26 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	Fans Who Hate #systemd https://t.co/OJzveOma3R	May 26 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) hate? Reject.	May 26 18:31
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'First Look at #Devuan 1.0: A Free OS...'		May 26 18:34
*TweetTuxMachines @musevg favourited 'First Look at #Devuan 1.0: A Free OS...'		May 26 18:34
*TweetTuxMachines @musevg retweeted @tuxmachines: 'First Look at #Devuan 1.0: A Free OS...'		May 26 18:36
cubexyz	damn it slashdot, enough with the ads	May 26 18:39
MinceR	did you expect anything good from slashdot?	May 26 18:45
*TweetTuxMachines @SSLWallOfShame favourited '#Security Leftovers: #HackerOne, #LetsEncrypt, and #ShadowBrokers https://t.co/jA0b6WQqjt'		May 26 18:45
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cubexyz	it's better than facebook	May 26 18:52
cubexyz	I realize that isn't saying much	May 26 18:52
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cubexyz	too many ads everywhere	May 26 18:54
MinceR	indeed it isn't saying much	May 26 18:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@MarkJohnsonCKD https://twitter.com/MarkJohnsonCKD/status/868236698446159873	May 26 19:24
TweetTuxMachines	The latest Food and #Wine Festivities!	May 26 19:24
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/55AEJr39f0 (paper.li) Thanks to	May 26 19:24
TweetTuxMachines	@StephanZeraschi @DairyofalolMoM @tuxmachines #wine #vino	May 26 19:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868246402060525569	May 26 19:24
TweetTuxMachines	Gaming News https://t.co/Txkp4Y8uho (tuxmachines.org)	May 26 19:24
TweetTuxMachines	#games #gaming #gnu #linux	May 26 19:24
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/gBomp6p.gifv	May 26 19:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868246526841151488	May 26 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Gaming News https://t.co/Txkp4Y8uho (tuxmachines.org)	May 26 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz #games #gaming #gnu #linux	May 26 19:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Gaming News https://t.co/Txkp4Y8uho #games #gaming #gnu #linux'		May 26 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/RTAWGAMES/status/868252331095330816	May 26 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Gaming News https://t.co/Txkp4Y8uho (tuxmachines.org)	May 26 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	@RTAWGAMES #games #gaming #gnu #linux	May 26 20:09
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*TweetTuxMachines @trudystar1 favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 26 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 https://twitter.com/trudystar1/status/868257786139955204	May 26 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @tuxmachines @wikileaks It's what these sick bastards in	May 26 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	@trudystar1 power are trying to do. #BoycottUK #FreeAssange	May 26 20:12
TweetTuxMachines	#SafePassage4Assange	May 26 20:12
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cubexyz	I'm locking out AhrefsBot	May 26 20:31
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cubexyz	well I hope I am... if it obeys robots.txt	May 26 20:31
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cubexyz	constant hammering on /coppermine/login.php	May 26 20:39
cubexyz	no idea why they do that	May 26 20:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868270031620063232	May 26 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	#GNOME (and Related) News: #Cinnamon, #Container,	May 26 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	#GNOMEBoard, GNOME Logs, Tracker, #GNOMEShell and #Mutter	May 26 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/uSlh7V9Dj4 (tuxmachines.org)	May 26 20:58
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cubexyz	i'd rather xmessage was located in /usr/X11R6/bin	May 26 21:12
cubexyz	but linux seems to lump everything together in /usr/bin	May 26 21:13
cubexyz	actually the X programs are duplicated, they're in both directories on vector	May 26 21:17
MinceR	don't blame the kernel for that :>	May 26 21:18
cubexyz	actually FC1 does it right	May 26 21:19
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cubexyz	just seems better organized that way	May 26 21:20
cubexyz	xx.org	May 26 21:23
cubexyz	oops	May 26 21:23
cubexyz	and xmessage hasn't changed much since R5	May 26 21:26
cubexyz	everything seemed to coalesce around 1994 or so	May 26 21:28
cubexyz	redhat 1.0, X11R6, Darkstar Linux 0.99, really a pity I didn't switch over to linux or bsd back then	May 26 21:29
cubexyz	and the damnest thing is... I was selling FreeBSD 2.0 CDs	May 26 21:29
MinceR	inb4 the poettering cult throws it out because "it's not being maintained"	May 26 21:30
cubexyz	it works	May 26 21:31
cubexyz	that is xmessage works	May 26 21:31
cubexyz	I was just thinking it's a pity I was bogged down with win95 crap back then	May 26 21:32
cubexyz	not sure what poettering's opinions on X11 would be	May 26 21:34
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cubexyz	I don't think of X11 stuff as legacy as I'm still writing X11 programs	May 26 21:35
cubexyz	anyways if anyone tries to dump X11 I'll just make my own distro or something	May 26 21:36
MinceR	they don't care	May 26 21:37
MinceR	according to the cult, everything has to be fucked around with and rewritten until it's totally unusable and full of holes	May 26 21:38
MinceR	as for X11, they were already plotting to replace it with wayland when wayland couldn't do half of what X11 does	May 26 21:38
cubexyz	recently I setup a nice slackware 14.2 box	May 26 21:40
cubexyz	it's pretty recent and it has all the X11 stuff	May 26 21:40
cubexyz	14.2 was released june 2016	May 26 21:41
cubexyz	everyone isn't going to follow poettering's direction	May 26 21:43
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oiaohm	cubexyz: the end to X11 does not come from poettering it comes from x.org foundation. Of course X11 will disappear from primany but xwayland that is X11 inside wayland its going to stick around possible for ever.	May 26 23:35
oiaohm	MinceR: X11 has multi papers detailing defects in protocol that cannot be fixed without breaking existing applications. That is why new protocol wayland. The developer of wayland attempt to design fixes to 200 different issues in X11 protocol.	May 26 23:42
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cubexyz	well, I'm going to keep using X11	May 27 00:58
cubexyz	sure I could criticize X11	May 27 01:00
cubexyz	it's overly elaborate comes to mind	May 27 01:00
cubexyz	that's why Xvesa and Xtiny were created	May 27 01:00
cubexyz	and really Wayland is not fully ready	May 27 01:04
cubexyz	reduced usability, slower performance	May 27 01:04
cubexyz	KDE4 was slower, thus I switch to icewm	May 27 01:06
cubexyz	same idea as before... I use parts of KDE	May 27 01:07
cubexyz	I could see the desktop redrawing itself, that's how slow it was sometimes	May 27 01:07
cubexyz	for systems with very small (ha!) memory I use Xvesa	May 27 01:18
cubexyz	XFree86 executable used to be around 2 megs in size	May 27 01:20
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cubexyz	Xvesa is 869,580 bytes	May 27 01:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: performance benchmarks on wayland vs x.org show them about the same most of the time with wayland a lot faster in some cases.	May 27 01:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: scary enough is even xwayland performance is fairly close to x.org straight on hardware.	May 27 01:25
cubexyz	ahem, ssh -Y etc	May 27 01:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: wayland protocol itself does not cover remote desktop. That does not mean other remote solutions cannot be used. Like gtk + html5 backend.	May 27 01:29
cubexyz	what, I'm running in the brower?	May 27 01:33
cubexyz	browser	May 27 01:34
oiaohm	Libreoffice online running in browser is using the gtk3 html5 backend.	May 27 01:35
oiaohm	https://wiki.tizen.org/Weston_RDP_access there is already wayland compistores with the start of rdp.	May 27 01:35
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cubexyz	a microsoft proprietary protocol?	May 27 01:37
cubexyz	really....	May 27 01:37
oiaohm	there are vnc around and other things as well.	May 27 01:37
cubexyz	RFB protocol then	May 27 01:38
oiaohm	RDP was chosen mostly due to how many clients already have it.	May 27 01:38
cubexyz	which I guess would be OK	May 27 01:38
oiaohm	Both the browser path and the RDP path are both about what you can expect in be support by most clients.	May 27 01:39
cubexyz	don't you remember M$'s dirty tricks with Kerberos?	May 27 01:40
oiaohm	Do note the RDP example is using freerdp client as test bed. So open source client as well.	May 27 01:42
oiaohm	The dominate rdp in thin clients is freerdp.	May 27 01:43
cubexyz	M$ version of Kerberos didn't play nice with MIT's version	May 27 01:43
oiaohm	Freerdp and MS RDP at times do have issues.	May 27 01:43
oiaohm	So that stuff is not forgotten.	May 27 01:43
cubexyz	subsuming Kerberos and making it incompatible with the original == BAD	May 27 01:44
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cubexyz	also flash... oh boy don't get me started	May 27 01:44
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oiaohm	I know your fear. Please note the wayland core protocol was design that it could even be disconnected from opengl.	May 27 01:45
cubexyz	the favourite way for media companies to block recording their shows on the net	May 27 01:45
oiaohm	Wayland objective is to make a solid core.	May 27 01:45
oiaohm	Were it gets extended from there comes interesting equestions.	May 27 01:46
cubexyz	ok, well...	May 27 01:46
cubexyz	I hope wayland works	May 27 01:46
cubexyz	BUT	May 27 01:46
oiaohm	when wayland started html5 for remote was also looked at.	May 27 01:46
cubexyz	I have an interesting in very low memory environments	May 27 01:46
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cubexyz	ugh, I must be tired tonight	May 27 01:46
oiaohm	That is one thing were wayland has got better.	May 27 01:46
cubexyz	interested	May 27 01:46
oiaohm	wayland is forcing memory to be kernel managed.	May 27 01:47
oiaohm	Instead of lets run drivers in userspace and leak maddly with no way of being blamed.	May 27 01:47
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cubexyz	ok, as far as I know, I'm not running device drivers in userspace	May 27 01:49
oiaohm	cubexyz: nvidia opengl stream stuff instead of using gbm that the other are using was to aviod having to do kernel level memory management.	May 27 01:49
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically lets not tell the kernel how we have used the video card memory and pray that our in card and userspace code is correct.	May 27 01:50
cubexyz	to be honest, I'm not completely sure how radeonfb works	May 27 01:51
oiaohm	wayland is starting a lot of driver sanity questions.	May 27 01:51
cubexyz	would I be able to use radeonfb with wayland?	May 27 01:51
oiaohm	Mostly got away with not answer due to X11 tollerating all kinds of stupidty that a wayland will reject.	May 27 01:51
oiaohm	radeonfb that the open source driver right if so that already has wayland supprot.	May 27 01:52
cubexyz	there was xorg-server-xvfb	May 27 01:52
cubexyz	vga16fb was the old one	May 27 01:53
oiaohm	wayland can be ordered to run on framebuffer.	May 27 01:53
cubexyz	and what about old games like HOMM3 and majesty?	May 27 01:53
oiaohm	of course on framebuffer it drops to software rendering.	May 27 01:53
cubexyz	I'd have to retest everything	May 27 01:53
oiaohm	xwayland that is x.org running on top of wayland should support the old X11 applications.	May 27 01:54
oiaohm	the migration plan is not stupid and not a short time frame plan.	May 27 01:54
oiaohm	Some point in the furture x.org will just not have any other video driver other than xwayland.	May 27 01:55
cubexyz	I heard there's an X12 in development	May 27 01:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: X12 is wayland. Turned out X12 was trademarked for something else.	May 27 01:57
cubexyz	but who knows when that will happen	May 27 01:57
cubexyz	I wonder what the slack folks are going to do	May 27 01:58
oiaohm	cubexyz: X12 was talked about then the lead developer of wayland attempted to fix X11 then when the design faults were too large checked out trademark issue and then wayland started.	May 27 01:59
cubexyz	there's no reason why you couldn't talk to a scanner in userspace	May 27 02:01
cubexyz	short commands	May 27 02:02
cubexyz	doesn't minix do that?	May 27 02:02
cubexyz	and if the device driver crashes no biggie, you just kill it	May 27 02:03
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.hl7.com/x12.html this is the X12 that was existing making using X12 as a name a bad idea.	May 27 02:03
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oiaohm	cubexyz: minix is using a microkernel so driver and application are running in two different allocations of userspace memory.	May 27 02:05
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oiaohm	cubexyz: wayland and x11 have been horrible monolithic.	May 27 02:05
oiaohm	cubexyz: people forget when X11 use to have it own font server.	May 27 02:06
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oiaohm	cubexyz: even worse in the X11 protocol there is a standard for it own printer communication protocol	May 27 02:06
oiaohm	cubexyz: think you screen server running in it own memory space something like cups.	May 27 02:07
cubexyz	there was XPRINT	May 27 02:07
cubexyz	but I never used it	May 27 02:07
cubexyz	any X11 program could render output to the printer I think	May 27 02:08
oiaohm	X11 idea of a unlimited extendable protocol end up at complete insanity.	May 27 02:08
cubexyz	maybe FC1 could use that	May 27 02:08
cubexyz	heck, maybe vector classic could as well	May 27 02:09
cubexyz	and that reminds me, xpdf segfaults on vector :-/	May 27 02:10
oiaohm	https://www.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.1/doc/Xprint.7.html	May 27 02:11
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oiaohm	cubexyz: yes xprint was configure all you cups registered printers again.	May 27 02:12
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes xprint did include a x11 server to x11 server printing.	May 27 02:12
cubexyz	I remember in the old days each application had to include it's own printer code	May 27 02:12
cubexyz	e.g. WP	May 27 02:12
oiaohm	This is hang overs from then.	May 27 02:12
cubexyz	the bad old days	May 27 02:12
oiaohm	X11 is full of bad old days stuff.	May 27 02:13
oiaohm	wayland is kind of a sanity line in the sand.	May 27 02:13
cubexyz	but now I would just screenshot and print that	May 27 02:13
oiaohm	then working out do we need any of the old stuff or should we ditch it and move on.	May 27 02:13
oiaohm	question about ditch is if wayland should support remote or should applications just straight up support being put on a webserver.	May 27 02:14
oiaohm	or maybe wayland compistor should exist that does html5	May 27 02:15
oiaohm	There are some advantage to using html 5 like using javascript to validate user input.	May 27 02:16
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cubexyz	we don't _really_ need Xorint	May 27 02:19
cubexyz	Xprint	May 27 02:19
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cubexyz	there was the old command xpr	May 27 02:20
cubexyz	print an X window dump	May 27 02:20
cubexyz	so you can xwd then xpr	May 27 02:20
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cubexyz	yeah I don't have xpr on vector	May 27 02:22
oiaohm	cubexyz: the xwayland path will allow a X11 server per application for the insane ones.	May 27 02:22
cubexyz	but you can convert xwd stuff to png or whatever so no problem	May 27 02:23
cubexyz	as expected FC1 and openbsd 4.7 have xpr	May 27 02:24
cubexyz	I suppose I could get xpr easily enough	May 27 02:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: you have to remember you have places running applications from 1995 Linux because they are closed source for controlling some odd ball hardware from a company that no longer exists.	May 27 02:25
cubexyz	yes but singling out 1995 linux seems a bit unfair	May 27 02:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: those have lead to hey you cannot remove X feature from X11	May 27 02:26
cubexyz	it's much more likely that you have a closed source 1995 windows program	May 27 02:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is date from a real X11 bug report.	May 27 02:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: the glibc wrapping and other things to make those application work is horrible.	May 27 02:27
cubexyz	first I'd blame the manufacturer of the device	May 27 02:27
oiaohm	They are no more.	May 27 02:27
cubexyz	did they make the protocols available? that is the question	May 27 02:28
oiaohm	Most cases no they went into reciever ship and those have been sold to who know who then most likely lost them.	May 27 02:28
cubexyz	did they use some funky undocument chip inside the device, etc etc	May 27 02:28
oiaohm	Fairly much undocumented everything.	May 27 02:29
oiaohm	Before companies started to wake up and started demarding standard conforming stuff.	May 27 02:29
oiaohm	Even today we don't demard enough documentation out of hardware makers.	May 27 02:29
cubexyz	it's everything though	May 27 02:30
oiaohm	If something is critical to your business operations it should be documented.	May 27 02:30
cubexyz	radios, home applications, everything	May 27 02:30
cubexyz	right	May 27 02:30
oiaohm	Problem is once it come core and it not documented and the company no more then what.	May 27 02:31
oiaohm	wayland with xwayland will provide a cleaner way out of the hole than the existing X11 solution.	May 27 02:31
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cubexyz	oh yeah now I remember...	May 27 02:37
cubexyz	back when I was studying the study of X11 I saw X11R3 version of xpr	May 27 02:38
cubexyz	it wouldn't compile on anything modern though	May 27 02:38
cubexyz	studying the history :-/	May 27 02:38
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cubexyz	yeah xload, xman, xpr all got the axe some time ago	May 27 02:41
cubexyz	ok, anyways it will be interesting to have a look at the code	May 27 02:45
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DaemonFC	Wondering if Microsoft has much of a future to be honest.	May 27 02:47
DaemonFC	They only have a few products that aren't a disaster.	May 27 02:47
DaemonFC	By disaster, I mean fiscal disaster.	May 27 02:47
DaemonFC	They've been subsidizing hundreds of side ventures over the years with revenue from Windows and Office, but it always comes back to two products in the end.	May 27 02:48
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 even made fun of Microsoft.	May 27 02:48
DaemonFC	At the end of the movie, they give "Starlord" a Zune and tell him it's what everyone on Earth uses to play music now.	May 27 02:49
DaemonFC	Microsoft made no official comment, but according to some reports, they were not happy about that.	May 27 02:49
DaemonFC	Well, XBOX has been a succcessful division.	May 27 02:51
DaemonFC	It removed a use case for Windows, but they make it up on game royalties.	May 27 02:51
DaemonFC	John bought a PS4. I'm not liking console gaming too much these days. Downloadable games that only work on one console and don't have resale value is where it's all heading, and the controllers have these integrated batteries, so after 500-600 charge cycles you have to throw the whole damned thing away.	May 27 02:52
cubexyz	I get games from gog these days	May 27 02:52
cubexyz	if I'm feeling nostalgic I'll break out the sega genesis :)	May 27 02:53
cubexyz	I'd never buy a PS4 or a Xbox	May 27 02:55
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DaemonFC	The draw of a console is that they subsidize the hardware and you also know that the games are going to work and the performance level won't be unplayable.	May 27 02:57
DaemonFC	The downside is that you end up paying for your ownn discount after you've bought a few games.	May 27 02:58
DaemonFC	I liked the original xbox.	May 27 02:59
DaemonFC	Most people didn't. A lot of the games were crap.	May 27 02:59
DaemonFC	But I got it for $200 and there were _enough_ good titles for it.	May 27 02:59
DaemonFC	The launch titles were all horrible except for Halo.	May 27 03:00
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MinceR	oiaohm: that doesn't give them charte blanche to randomly throw things out that other people need, or to decide what software i will run.	May 27 09:13
oiaohm	MinceR: xwayland will be able to bundled with application. So yes the xwayland change allows distributions to limit down what can be run using included X11 but it also allows items like snap and flatpak to include their own X11.	May 27 10:00
oiaohm	MinceR: putting unified management between x11 mess of a protocol with issue and hardware allows dealing with it problems better.	May 27 10:02
MinceR	great. will it work with pointer capturing and warping?	May 27 10:02
oiaohm	MinceR: most cases these days under X11 that is done by libinput anyhow as most of X11 input drivers have been exterminated already.	May 27 10:03
MinceR	that's not an answer	May 27 10:03
MinceR	without pointer capturing and warping, you can't run fps games properly.	May 27 10:04
MinceR	(even some window manager features can be broken by it)	May 27 10:04
MinceR	but it's "insecure"	May 27 10:04
oiaohm	MinceR: it is an answer. pointer capturing and warping both work by libinput and that is the same on wayland and x11.	May 27 10:04
oiaohm	x.org X11 server is being systematically gutted.	May 27 10:05
oiaohm	MinceR: pointer capture and warping don't have to be insecure.	May 27 10:06
oiaohm	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland-Pointer-Confinement pointer capture is addressed by pointer confinement.	May 27 10:08
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MinceR	funny, at the end of this journey the waylandists may just realize that X features weren't insecure after all	May 27 10:08
oiaohm	wrong.	May 27 10:08
oiaohm	x11 allowed pointer capture when the pointer was no longer above your application.	May 27 10:08
oiaohm	without any special permission.	May 27 10:09
MinceR	guess what, that could be changed	May 27 10:09
MinceR	without reinventing X	May 27 10:09
oiaohm	Not really to make mouse warping work right with xwayland you have to pretend the mouse has gone outside field of view at times. Some applications have the insanity of the ghost moving window.	May 27 10:10
oiaohm	MinceR: reason for needing more than 1 X11 server some X11 applications design are really in the world of nuts.	May 27 10:11
MinceR	well, at least there's something that isn't nuts: dereferencing null pointers in pid1	May 27 10:12
MinceR	that's perfectly sane and normal	May 27 10:12
oiaohm	So you have not read the first audit reports on X.org.	May 27 10:12
oiaohm	they only found 2 million cases of that.	May 27 10:13
oiaohm	in 2006	May 27 10:13
MinceR	i didn't know X runs in pid1	May 27 10:13
oiaohm	MinceR: in some embedded devices yes.	May 27 10:13
MinceR	will there be a systemd-xd to go with systemd-mutterd?	May 27 10:13
MinceR	or with kmutter?	May 27 10:13
oiaohm	MinceR: some embedded devices start x11 as PID1	May 27 10:14
oiaohm	MinceR: so if it crashes system auto reboots.	May 27 10:14
MinceR	some people use X11 wrong, therefore we must destroy X11 and give them windows instead!	May 27 10:15
MinceR	of course!	May 27 10:15
oiaohm	Its not some a lot of people have been using X11 wrong.	May 27 10:15
oiaohm	And some are using X11 wrong to avoid issues that current day X11 servers don't have.	May 27 10:16
oiaohm	MinceR: remember before KMS x11 servers had to run as root user so a high privillage target.	May 27 10:17
MinceR	talk to openbsd guys about that :>	May 27 10:18
oiaohm	That root bit explains why wayland is going after having a network protocol as default.	May 27 10:18
oiaohm	So local and network protocol parts split in two.	May 27 10:19
MinceR	none of this justifies forcing systemd on users, or forcing client-side decorations on users	May 27 10:19
oiaohm	Client-side decorations come down to isolation.	May 27 10:19
oiaohm	and it not like X11 prevented applications from doing client-side decorations.	May 27 10:20
MinceR	it also didn't prevent the window manager from doing decorations properly	May 27 10:20
oiaohm	kwin wayland does windows boarders if applications allows it to.	May 27 10:21
oiaohm	So its in the protocol.	May 27 10:21
oiaohm	Even under X11 you could end up with the double window bared window where the wm had done decorations and the applicaiton had done as well.	May 27 10:22
oiaohm	The main reason for wayland preference for client side is to reduce down the number of buffer merges the system has to perform.	May 27 10:24
MinceR	usability and consistency be damned	May 27 10:25
MinceR	also, modularity	May 27 10:25
MinceR	put half the window manager in the display server, and the other half in the widget toolkit	May 27 10:26
oiaohm	So your forget xmms and others that had already under X11 say to wm no server side decorations.	May 27 10:26
MinceR	you forget that with fvwm, i can force decorations on them	May 27 10:26
MinceR	i could even force decorations on kicker's panel	May 27 10:26
MinceR	make it nonsticky, move it around	May 27 10:26
oiaohm	MinceR: with Kwin wayland you can force decorations as well.	May 27 10:26
MinceR	kwin is the odd one out, in this case	May 27 10:27
oiaohm	So it a wayland compositors choice and it included in the wayland protocol the options todo that.	May 27 10:27
MinceR	the rest of the cult believes in copying a windows design flaw that already had a workaround for one of its consequences in windows xp	May 27 10:27
MinceR	16 years ago.	May 27 10:27
MinceR	this is red hat's idea of "progress".	May 27 10:28
oiaohm	Mind you having all the menu bars then same does nothing about the menu bars.... everything else in the applications gui being different fonts and colours.	May 27 10:28
oiaohm	opps windows title bars should have been the first menu bars	May 27 10:28
oiaohm	Really does not matter if the stuff is rendered client or server the big thing need is uniform theming.	May 27 10:29
MinceR	yeah, such a great need	May 27 10:29
MinceR	let's destroy the entire GUI so we can have it	May 27 10:29
MinceR	and claim that the windowing systems they worship, windows and macos, both have it, even though they don't and they never did	May 27 10:30
MinceR	meanwhile they also worship the web, which is even less uniform	May 27 10:30
oiaohm	Both windows and macos from start of their graphical had uniform locations to look up basic things like default colours and fonts.	May 27 10:30
MinceR	yet none of those things can force gui applications to look alike	May 27 10:31
MinceR	also, in later windows versions you actually had to do magical stuff in your application so windows lets you use the latest theme	May 27 10:31
oiaohm	Also windows can force title bars on it.	May 27 10:31
MinceR	and at least the one macos x version i tried with greater interest had 2 different skins right in the Finder	May 27 10:31
MinceR	it had 2 different UIs, one with the ruled paper with drops of blue liquid theme, and one with the brushed metal theme	May 27 10:32
MinceR	also, i wonder how will these people force gtk themes on mc	May 27 10:32
MinceR	or on iptraf	May 27 10:32
MinceR	or on ncmpcpp	May 27 10:33
MinceR	or on java applications that use swing and let the user pick a theme	May 27 10:33
oiaohm	MinceR: people also forget that wm was added latter to X11	May 27 10:35
oiaohm	MinceR: the first X11 server if you wanted a title bar you application had to render it by it self.	May 27 10:35
MinceR	and it was possibly the greatest thing that ever happened to windowing systems	May 27 10:35
MinceR	because it meant that if you didn't like your window manager, you could replace it	May 27 10:35
oiaohm	Its double sided.	May 27 10:36
MinceR	and that if your system was set up appropriately, and your window manager crashed, you could start it again without losing your work	May 27 10:36
MinceR	this is also software engineering 101	May 27 10:36
oiaohm	It also meant working out proper theming storage between applications stopped as well.	May 27 10:36
MinceR	and therefore poettering knows nothing about it	May 27 10:36
MinceR	isn't that one of the things xrdb can do?	May 27 10:37
MinceR	set and store settings in one place, let all x clients access them	May 27 10:37
MinceR	your applications and your window manager are x clients	May 27 10:37
oiaohm	It should but that never developed to be the go to place for theming.	May 27 10:37
MinceR	there probably are other ways you can make the same information available to all x clients	May 27 10:37
oiaohm	Again after title bars matched a lot of toolkits were not forced to use common theming. Its like gtk or qt on windows you watch them go to common theming there yet then they cannot do that on Linux.	May 27 10:38
MinceR	you can hardly even configure title bars on winblows	May 27 10:39
MinceR	hell, when they added support for this in xp, they required themes to be signed in some way just to get in your way	May 27 10:39
MinceR	and of course on macos pretty much the only thing they let you configure is what color selected text appears with	May 27 10:40
MinceR	which is a joke to anyone who has ever used a non-crippled windowing system	May 27 10:41
MinceR	on vista7, i had to disable "aero" so i could set the font the GUI used	May 27 10:41
MinceR	ridiculous	May 27 10:41
MinceR	but apparently this is what poettering and his flunkies believe we should be forced into	May 27 10:41
oiaohm	with compositors under x11 crashing that was more fatal. One of the things built into wayland is that the compistor can be stopped and the applications can reconnect.	May 27 10:42
oiaohm	So wayland design do deal with a few bad issues.	May 27 10:42
MinceR	won't help if the compositor triggers a GPU driver bug that makes the entire computer freeze	May 27 10:42
MinceR	also, the compositor uses extra memory i may have a better use for	May 27 10:43
oiaohm	GPU is meant to have a functional watchdog.	May 27 10:43
oiaohm	GPU freese way more often than most people know as over 99 percent of cases the gpu is restarted in background without you ever knowing.	May 27 10:44
MinceR	that meaning doesn't mean anything unless someone can force GPU designers to actually do it properly	May 27 10:45
oiaohm	MinceR: one of the reasons for client side decorations is to reduce memory foot print.	May 27 10:45
MinceR	GPUs are out of users' control	May 27 10:45
oiaohm	MinceR: better if GPU designs would not design GPU that crash as part of normal operations	May 27 10:45
MinceR	how will keeping half a window manager in GTK+ in memory, another half a window manager in Qt in memory, and one for every other toolkit save memory?	May 27 10:46
oiaohm	???	May 27 10:46
MinceR	maybe if they managed to ban non-gnome applications -- but if they can do that, most of this scrambling to take users' freedoms away is for naught	May 27 10:46
oiaohm	Don't you understand how wayland is doing it memory.	May 27 10:46
MinceR	oiaohm: well, who renders CSD-s, who makes their controls work?	May 27 10:46
MinceR	the toolkit does.	May 27 10:47
MinceR	this is one of the main problems with CSD.	May 27 10:47
MinceR	every toolkit will have its own idea of how it should look, how it should work	May 27 10:47
MinceR	it will have to be loaded into your memory and running on your CPU to make it work	May 27 10:47
oiaohm	That is true under X11 using opengl for everything bar the titlebar.	May 27 10:47
MinceR	and since it's a pointless task foisted on toolkit developers, they'll half-ass it	May 27 10:48
oiaohm	As you find gtk and qt already doing.	May 27 10:48
MinceR	yeah, for wayland	May 27 10:48
oiaohm	gtk and qt are doign that under X11	May 27 10:48
MinceR	wayland already managed to bloat the 2 most used toolkits for all of us	May 27 10:48
oiaohm	before wayland comes along.	May 27 10:48
MinceR	show me a client-side title bar on a gtk and on a qt application on x11.	May 27 10:48
MinceR	gnome developers already half-assed everything a DE does	May 27 10:48
MinceR	even if earlier gnome versions did it right, they tossed it into a shredder	May 27 10:49
MinceR	27 164826 < MinceR> show me a client-side title bar on a gtk and on a qt application on x11.	May 27 10:49
MinceR	rendered and operated by the toolkit.	May 27 10:49
MinceR	don't bother me with what xmms renders for itself, it doesn't count.	May 27 10:49
oiaohm	MinceR: gtk has had a headerbar for a long time that is client side title bar option.	May 27 10:51
oiaohm	MinceR: and qt has the same.	May 27 10:52
MinceR	i have yet to see it on x	May 27 10:52
oiaohm	MinceR: both were require when running straight on framebuffer without X11 at all.	May 27 10:52
MinceR	afaik they do not support that	May 27 10:52
MinceR	oh, framebuffer	May 27 10:52
MinceR	for a moment i thought x11 without wm :)	May 27 10:52
MinceR	i doubt the binaries i have will launch on a framebuffer without x	May 27 10:53
oiaohm	Yes the feature could be turned on under x11.	May 27 10:53
MinceR	so, why the bloat?	May 27 10:53
MinceR	why do i have to pay for stuff i'll never use?	May 27 10:53
oiaohm	For testing.	May 27 10:53
oiaohm	So testing out embedded application under x11 you would have two title bars one toolkit generated one X11 wm generated.	May 27 10:54
MinceR	yeah, i'm testing whether that dead code really remains dead the whole time these applications are running	May 27 10:54
MinceR	so exciting!	May 27 10:54
oiaohm	Of course you load qt and gtk into memory with a normal application under X11 and that stuff was coming along for the ride anyhow.	May 27 10:55
oiaohm	Same with most of the other so called X11 toolkits.	May 27 10:55
oiaohm	a lot of CSD has been in system as never run code.	May 27 10:56
oiaohm	to most users.	May 27 10:56
oiaohm	wayland goal with CSD is that only 1 buffer were possible will be used between client and server. Instead of under X11 where your toolkit has a buffer. The windows manager has to now create another buffer to put the clientside dectorations in and merge with buffer applciation has provided.	May 27 10:58
oiaohm	So wm model of X11 was consuming up 3 buffers allocations to where CSD can successfuly use 1 buffer allocation.	May 27 10:59
MinceR	wayland has all the wrong goals	May 27 10:59
MinceR	and all the important functionality is sacrificed	May 27 10:59
oiaohm	You cannot have everything.	May 27 11:01
oiaohm	Not all users want everything.	May 27 11:01
oiaohm	CSD has it place. Interesting point is even that wayland allows windows to CSD wayland also include means that buttons on the tittle bar triggers like close still go to the compositor.	May 27 11:04
oiaohm	MinceR: so wayland is a halfway between pure CSD and Server side.	May 27 11:04
MinceR	27 170138 < oiaohm> Not all users want everything.	May 27 11:04
MinceR	and then you're baffled that some people stick with X11.	May 27 11:05
oiaohm	I am not baffled at all.	May 27 11:05
oiaohm	Human resist change.	May 27 11:05
oiaohm	You complain about systemd over bundling stuff then you start demarding that wayland includes every feature.	May 27 11:06
oiaohm	Really MinceR its about time you start getting your arguements aligned.	May 27 11:06
MinceR	oiaohm: here's an interesting fact: not all change has to be for the worse.	May 27 11:07
MinceR	and no, i don't demand that wayland include every feature	May 27 11:07
MinceR	i demand that wayland allow someone implement every feature	May 27 11:07
MinceR	X11 doesn't include a window manager, yet you can use one with X11.	May 27 11:07
oiaohm	X11 protocol does include windows manager defined what it is.	May 27 11:07
MinceR	see, modularity and running multiple processes on a system may scare poettering, but they really are good ideas.	May 27 11:08
oiaohm	wayland does something different.	May 27 11:08
MinceR	the ICCCM and the EWMH do, though	May 27 11:08
MinceR	possibly others too	May 27 11:08
oiaohm	Wayland defines that application and run without a wayland compsitor.	May 27 11:08
oiaohm	So compistor dies you can start another one.	May 27 11:08
MinceR	that's great, then i can run them on X	May 27 11:08
oiaohm	X11 you have to use a third party like https://xpra.org/ to have that feature.	May 27 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xpra.org \| xpra home page		May 27 11:09
oiaohm	So instead of changable wm wayland does changeable compositors.	May 27 11:10
oiaohm	Of course we still have issues of the likes of gnome not implementing changeable. We are back to the days of some of the early wm nightmares.	May 27 11:14
oiaohm	MinceR: https://plus.google.com/+MartinGr%C3%A4%C3%9Flin/posts/HsMpE238jUL correctly designed wayland stuff can live threw compistor crashes and replacements.	May 27 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com \| Spent this morning on the question "What should KWin do if the Wayland system... [ http://ur1.ca/qxih6 ]		May 27 11:17
oiaohm	MinceR: so software done right under wayland should be a lot stronger than X11 of course its getting the developers to make it durable.	May 27 11:18
MinceR	"stronger"	May 27 11:19
MinceR	it remains to be seen whether they'll be able to do what people like me depend on and whether they'll run without any massive backdoors	May 27 11:20
oiaohm	Wayland protocol is design with the idea of server loss.	May 27 11:22
oiaohm	X11 is not design with that that is where xpra comes in.	May 27 11:22
oiaohm	MinceR: so some places wayland is better designed.	May 27 11:22
oiaohm	MinceR: I do agree with you that wayland is still developing and it has possibility of being good due to design. Remember X11 with the likes of cookie already had massive backdoors.	May 27 11:25
oiaohm	So it should be possible with time to be better than X11 due to how much was wrong with it.	May 27 11:26
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MinceR	i wonder how will your idols try to force mutter on people before it's ready	May 27 12:37
MinceR	it's not possible for it to be better than X11 if the people designing it do not understand X11	May 27 12:37
MinceR	if they'll just try to copy windows and macos, it won't ever be as good as X11	May 27 12:37
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oiaohm	MinceR: again here is a rant of like Microsoft or macos. Neither of those are designed to a proper compositor restart.	May 27 12:50
MinceR	they're also not designed to be flexible, or to give the user any sort of choice	May 27 12:51
oiaohm	MinceR: wayland lead developers are x.org ones.	May 27 12:51
MinceR	except for Hobson's, of course	May 27 12:51
MinceR	your favorite kind	May 27 12:51
oiaohm	MinceR: no point here you again going off with baseless facts.	May 27 12:51
MinceR	yeah, i wonder if there are any x.org developers left who actually know and care about x	May 27 12:51
MinceR	and are not just "free"desktop.org munchkins from red hat	May 27 12:52
oiaohm	wayland is started as X12.	May 27 12:52
oiaohm	That is to take X11 back to be simple again.	May 27 12:52
oiaohm	Instead of a stack of nightmare X11 had become.	May 27 12:52
MinceR	yet they were pushing it as an X replacement when it couldn't do pointer grabbing, pointer warping, server-side decorations and had the window manager merged into the display server and the GUI toolkit	May 27 12:52
MinceR	they kept insisting those things are unnecessary	May 27 12:53
MinceR	and "insecure"	May 27 12:53
MinceR	oh, also, screenshots	May 27 12:53
MinceR	who the hell needs screenshots anyway...	May 27 12:53
oiaohm	How they were implemented in X11 they were all wrong.	May 27 12:53
oiaohm	Wayland developer built a solid core design then expanded from there.	May 27 12:54
MinceR	ah, of course, how could i not know that	May 27 12:54
oiaohm	So you are saying wayland developers should have started like systemd did.	May 27 12:54
MinceR	the solution to something not being implemented correctly is, of course, to not implement it at all, anymore	May 27 12:54
oiaohm	With every feature and 90 percent busted.	May 27 12:54
MinceR	no	May 27 12:55
oiaohm	that is what you are saying.	May 27 12:55
MinceR	i'm saying that they should have started like systemd should have started	May 27 12:55
oiaohm	You are saying they could not start of minimal.	May 27 12:55
MinceR	with clear goals and making it clear that it isn't done until it's done.	May 27 12:55
MinceR	systemd shouldn't have neglected making cgroups work	May 27 12:55
MinceR	since they rely on it	May 27 12:55
oiaohm	wayland has had a stack of clear goals first started on the x.org x11 page.	May 27 12:55
MinceR	and it still doesn't work!	May 27 12:55
MinceR	so what?	May 27 12:55
oiaohm	wayland is not systemd.	May 27 12:55
oiaohm	Development way different.	May 27 12:56
MinceR	redhat and m$ have already shown what can be done with infiltrating organizations	May 27 12:56
MinceR	entryism.	May 27 12:56
oiaohm	No redhat either.	May 27 12:56
oiaohm	The developers behind wayland core are not redhat.	May 27 12:56
MinceR	yeah, "free"desktop.org and gnome are not redhat	May 27 12:56
MinceR	pay no attention to the man behind the curtain	May 27 12:56
oiaohm	Not freedesktop either.	May 27 12:56
oiaohm	So far nothing right	May 27 12:56
MinceR	also, the fact that all implementations except kwin (and maybe that tiling wm i forgot the name of) won't do server-side decorations is also only a coincidence	May 27 12:58
MinceR	or that they all depend on logind	May 27 12:58
oiaohm	two lines of incorrect	May 27 12:59
oiaohm	Come on when will you get a single point correct.	May 27 13:00
MinceR	[citation needed]	May 27 13:00
oiaohm	There are 4 wayland composistoers in existance with server side decorations. Mind you 3 are used in cars.	May 27 13:00
oiaohm	Enlightenment wayland implementation include server side decorations and that is one you should know.	May 27 13:02
oiaohm	MinceR: and logind has nothing to-do with server-side decorations.	May 27 13:02
MinceR	yeah	May 27 13:02
MinceR	it has to do with forcing systemd on people	May 27 13:02
MinceR	another malfeature you love	May 27 13:02
oiaohm	Again wrong.	May 27 13:03
oiaohm	MinceR: I mostly pick on you for systemd because you have facts wrong not because I like it.	May 27 13:03
oiaohm	logind before it was merged with system contained a idea that display server could avoid needing root privillage.	May 27 13:04
MinceR	wrong, i have the facts right, and you love systemd	May 27 13:04
MinceR	ooh, contained an idea	May 27 13:04
oiaohm	MinceR: then please explain why I pushed for debian to go openrc not systemd.	May 27 13:05
MinceR	and then you pretend the only way that "idea" could be implemented is by having a massive hairball in pid1	May 27 13:05
MinceR	running as root	May 27 13:05
MinceR	oiaohm: prove you pushed for that.	May 27 13:05
MinceR	not that it mattered, the redhat munchkins in position simply pretended openrc doesn't even exist.	May 27 13:05
oiaohm	MinceR: it in the bug opened about debain init choice.	May 27 13:05
oiaohm	MinceR: it public record you are presuming things about me that are not fact.	May 27 13:06
oiaohm	Just like you do all the time.	May 27 13:06
oiaohm	About wayland about systemd about me you do the same crap all the time.	May 27 13:06
MinceR	yet you advertise systemd here every day	May 27 13:06
MinceR	like they were paying you for it	May 27 13:06
oiaohm	No I don't.	May 27 13:06
oiaohm	I have never first raised the point of systemd.	May 27 13:06
oiaohm	here	May 27 13:07
oiaohm	ever	May 27 13:07
oiaohm	If anyone is paid it you who is paid to take anti redhat point of view spreading incorrect facts.	May 27 13:07
MinceR	good thing you're here with your Alternative Facts	May 27 13:07
oiaohm	My stuff tracks to commit entries when stuff happened in otherwords the public record.	May 27 13:08
oiaohm	Not guess me stuff like you have been using.	May 27 13:08
oiaohm	wayland started on x.org then got moved by developer to freedesktop when it come clear that x.org accounting was in trouble.	May 27 13:09
MinceR	if only redhat cared half as much about software engineering as they care about the public record	May 27 13:09
MinceR	ah yes, holy "free"desktop.org to the rescue	May 27 13:10
MinceR	and then people wonder why it depends on cancerd	May 27 13:10
oiaohm	wayland lead developer is paid for by university	May 27 13:10
MinceR	i wonder who pays the university	May 27 13:10
oiaohm	redhat has no power over him.	May 27 13:10
oiaohm	french government.	May 27 13:10
MinceR	BME had an entire department bought by m$	May 27 13:10
oiaohm	Zero funds from redhat to that uni.	May 27 13:10
oiaohm	Also here something else really nasty of course wayland is not going to depend on systemd. The lead developer happens to be a core developer in freebsd	May 27 13:12
MinceR	maybe he's a True Believer	May 27 13:12
MinceR	so why do weston and mutter depend on cancerd?	May 27 13:12
MinceR	will they port cancerd to freebsd too?	May 27 13:12
oiaohm	MinceR: weston does not.	May 27 13:12
oiaohm	MinceR: never has.	May 27 13:13
oiaohm	MinceR: again core wayland nothing redhat linked its you dream crap up.	May 27 13:13
oiaohm	mutter there is a redhat link there.	May 27 13:13
MinceR	oh, right, they depend on logind, which just happens to be a part of systemd	May 27 13:14
oiaohm	MinceR: weston uses logind or freebsd alterantive to get graphical access.	May 27 13:14
oiaohm	MinceR: freebsd had a method for a while to have X11 runnign without root.	May 27 13:14
MinceR	there you go, lying as usual	May 27 13:14
MinceR	and accusing me of lying	May 27 13:15
oiaohm	MinceR: I am not lying it in the weston source code	May 27 13:15
MinceR	pretending one can have logind without systemd	May 27 13:15
MinceR	when in fact, one can not	May 27 13:15
oiaohm	weston does not need logind on bsd solution.	May 27 13:15
MinceR	the bsd solution is unavailable on gnu/linux.	May 27 13:15
oiaohm	Correct at long last point that is correct.	May 27 13:16
oiaohm	It releated to how bsd is able to track services.	May 27 13:16
oiaohm	How the tty is done.	May 27 13:16
MinceR	you should take this talk to the court. i'm sure they'd appreciate it there.	May 27 13:17
oiaohm	MinceR: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2016-December/064198.html this is a report from 2016	May 27 13:22
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oiaohm	MinceR: everything that is wayland that need logind is not ported yet.	May 27 13:22
oiaohm	MinceR: so there is another method in wayland that works without logind for a large number of wayland compistors when not running as root.	May 27 13:22
oiaohm	MinceR: but that method is not part of Linux kernel.	May 27 13:23
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oiaohm	MinceR: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=login.conf ever looked at how freebsd login system in fact works.	May 27 13:37
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MinceR	i don't really care, i'm not planning to use freebsd	May 27 13:38
oiaohm	MinceR: it does not have logind but the login system can do lots of things like logind does in setup. Like opening devices to limited applications of the user.	May 27 13:38
MinceR	does freebsd need to run a massive hairball in pid1 for it to work?	May 27 13:39
oiaohm	bsd kernels have a authenication system in kernel that the Linux kernel does not have instead.	May 27 13:40
oiaohm	MinceR: so PID or IPC authenication system in kernel choose your poison.	May 27 13:41
MinceR	i wonder how openbsd does it	May 27 13:41
oiaohm	The same	May 27 13:42
oiaohm	its openbsd design.	May 27 13:42
oiaohm	So there should be no need for logind in most cases on bsds due to the existing features in kernel.	May 27 13:43
oiaohm	This is were you start getting into kernel dependant differences.	May 27 13:43
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cubexyz	well anyone can delve into the X11 code	May 27 20:51
cubexyz	and some of that code hasn't changed at all in many years	May 27 20:51
cubexyz	just last night I was looking at the old xpr utility	May 27 20:52
cubexyz	xpr-1.0.1	May 27 20:52
cubexyz	there's also xdpr	May 27 20:53
cubexyz	dumps an X window directly to the printer	May 27 20:54
cubexyz	still works on DEC LA100 :)	May 27 20:55
cubexyz	https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_X11	May 27 21:02
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cubexyz	funny	May 27 21:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: it get scary when you start looking in the sections of the X11 server that have not been touched for 7+ years yet are in use every day of the week.	May 27 21:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: kind of hello bug central.	May 27 21:56
cubexyz	do you see cubelog?	May 27 21:56
cubexyz	it's been running xchat for the last 400 days	May 27 21:57
cubexyz	so X can't be _that_ bad	May 27 21:57
cubexyz	I supposed if you really wanted to be strict you could run openbsd without X	May 27 21:59
MinceR	many boxes do just that	May 27 22:01
cubexyz	also on modern slack X runs as user not root	May 27 22:04
cubexyz	openbsd does also	May 27 22:06
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cubexyz	if xwayland worked as well as regular X11, I would consider using it on some machines	May 27 22:29
cubexyz	I probably will anyway... may as well see what's up	May 27 22:29
cubexyz	but most distros seem to still use X11, although I admit there's lots of them I've never tried	May 27 22:30
cubexyz	someimes one has to backport things	May 27 22:31
cubexyz	there's a historical interest... what did the old software do? What got dropped?	May 27 22:32
cubexyz	most of the X code is perserved	May 27 22:32
cubexyz	preserved	May 27 22:33
cubexyz	I think X10R3 is the oldest I've looked at	May 27 22:33
cubexyz	that's 1986 era	May 27 22:34
cubexyz	uwm was introduced	May 27 22:34
cubexyz	and I should note that there's two uwm's	May 27 22:43
cubexyz	the original Ultrix Window Manager and the Universal Window Manager	May 27 22:44
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cubexyz	Ultrix wm is probably not maintained now	May 27 22:44
cubexyz	ah, now I remember	May 27 22:46
cubexyz	Ultrix was up to X11R3	May 27 22:46
cubexyz	it was replaced by twm	May 27 22:47
cubexyz	i'll do a quick recap:	May 27 22:48
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/history-of-x.txt	May 27 22:49
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liberty_box	MinceR, thanks for logging	May 27 22:58
liberty_box	just caught up with some links above (this is RIanne's laptop)	May 27 22:58
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TweetTuxMachines	Debian Installer "Stretch" and Debian 9.0 "Stretch"	May 27 23:06
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oiaohm	cubexyz: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Non_root_Xorg there is a security problem here. Non root xorg still end with input and screen open to all processes. This is not good when you are attempting to protect password entry and other items like that.	May 27 23:10
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oiaohm	cubexyz: X11 was not design with any of these security concepts in mind.	May 27 23:11
cubexyz	it seems like xwayland would have the same problem then	May 27 23:19
oiaohm	cubexyz: it does for the applications running inside the same xwayland instance.	May 27 23:20
oiaohm	cubexyz: the wayland compositor inside wayland system ends up in control of input and screen direct interfaces passed can be passed over by filehandle by logind and there is different method on bsd and solaris.	May 27 23:22
oiaohm	cubexyz: so two pure wayland applications cannot go snooping on each other without the compositors permission.	May 27 23:23
oiaohm	That is one of the big changes with the wayland design vs x11.	May 27 23:23
cubexyz	what if I was running two X servers on the same computer? could one X program look at the inputs on the other server?	May 27 23:23
oiaohm	cubexyz: current X11 servers at times yes.	May 27 23:24
cubexyz	well, I guess for important stuff you'd be the only user	May 27 23:28
cubexyz	e.g. banking or government stuff	May 27 23:28
cubexyz	just don't use other computers for that	May 27 23:28
cubexyz	still, it's good to be aware of these issues	May 27 23:30
oiaohm	http://www.mupuf.org/blog/2014/02/19/wayland-compositors-why-and-how-to-handle/ wayland is really designed to address the issues for X11 security.	May 27 23:30
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oiaohm	Addressing the security issues of X11 has required wayland to drop features for a while until they could work out how they could be implemented correctly.	May 27 23:30
oiaohm	Also addressing the security issues of X11 has required updating the graphics drivers and input drivers.	May 27 23:32
oiaohm	this kinda explains why wayland is taking like forever to land. Fixing X11 faults is not easy.	May 27 23:33
cubexyz	I assume chromeos doesn't have these problems?	May 27 23:35
oiaohm	changed to wayland fixs some problems. Of course leaves the problem of doing most things in 1 application.	May 27 23:36
oiaohm	cubexyz: changing to wayland in chromeos to be exact.	May 27 23:36
cubexyz	actually I thought it used freon	May 27 23:36
cubexyz	but I'm not sure	May 27 23:37
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cubexyz	I guess old chromeos still used X11	May 27 23:37
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TweetTuxMachines	#FerenOS Could Be the Best-Looking Desktop on the Market	May 27 23:38
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oiaohm	freon is a wayland compositor https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ARC-Wayland-Clients-ChromeOS The android emulation for chromeos is also wayland.	May 27 23:41
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oiaohm	cubexyz: so google dropped X11 and moved to wayland after starting freon with the possiblity of being a unique item.	May 27 23:41
cubexyz	it seems to be that wayland is actually running inside the browser	May 27 23:43
cubexyz	chrome --enable-wayland-server	May 27 23:44
cubexyz	so I'm already using wayland	May 27 23:44
cubexyz	on one computer at least	May 27 23:45
oiaohm	Most of X11 to wayland changes should not be that visual.	May 27 23:48
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cubexyz	6-bit character sets	May 21 00:00
XRevan86	MinceR: Maybe it's just convinient to write it like "N"…	May 21 00:00
cubexyz	64 characters is all you need :)	May 21 00:01
XRevan86	http://german242.com/articles/suzdal/suzdal04.jpg another clock	May 21 00:01
XRevan86	http://german242.com/articles/suzdal/suzdal_clock.htm I'll give the whole article	May 21 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-german242.com \| ????? ??? ? ???? [ http://ur1.ca/qwaxj ]		May 21 00:03
XRevan86	it has lots of illustrations	May 21 00:03
cubexyz	64 characters plus shift out, shift in	May 21 00:03
XRevan86	> ????? ??? ? ????	May 21 00:03
XRevan86	Who needs Unicode, amarait?	May 21 00:03
cubexyz	ha	May 21 00:03
XRevan86	> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1251">	May 21 00:03
XRevan86	CP1251, nice.	May 21 00:04
XRevan86	I expected KOI8-R, oh well.	May 21 00:04
cubexyz	I see the N's	May 21 00:04
cubexyz	not letters, got it :)	May 21 00:04
cubexyz	Is it 12 o'clock or L o'clock?	May 21 00:05
XRevan86	ВІ o'clock	May 21 00:06
XRevan86	vi o'clock :)	May 21 00:07
XRevan86	There's always vi o'clock somewhere	May 21 00:07
XRevan86	:q!	May 21 00:07
cubexyz	some of my friends don't like vi	May 21 00:09
XRevan86	Fun fact: some redundant Greek letters were kept in the Russian Cyrillic alphabet for a long while just for the numerals.	May 21 00:09
MinceR	indeed	May 21 00:09
MinceR	also in the greek alphabet	May 21 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866061358801969152	May 21 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers https://t.co/I6Vw3K64U6	May 21 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 00:09
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XRevan86	MinceR: Huh, that makes sense :)	May 21 00:10
cubexyz	what letters are redundant?	May 21 00:10
XRevan86	let's see…	May 21 00:10
MinceR	greek has digamma	May 21 00:11
XRevan86	Ѕ, Ѳ, Ѯ	May 21 00:11
MinceR	and koppa and sampi	May 21 00:11
XRevan86	Ѱ, Ѡ	May 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866068383535480832	May 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	OK, so wife woke up and is definitely eager to follow	May 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	that idea of her posting the #gnu #linux things in	May 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines while I do other stuff	May 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:11
XRevan86	(well, Ѳ is strictly speaking not redundant but in Cyrillic it meant the "f" sound, not "th")	May 21 00:12
XRevan86	There's no "th" in Slavic languages.	May 21 00:12
cubexyz	we use theta in APL in some versions	May 21 00:12
XRevan86	cubexyz: The programming language?	May 21 00:12
cubexyz	yes	May 21 00:12
XRevan86	Never heard of it…	May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@SleepyPenguin1 https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/866068921052540929	May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz @tuxmachines Cor..... I didn't know you had	May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	a robot for that kind of thing as well ;)	May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:13
cubexyz	http://apl.maxhost.org	May 21 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apl.maxhost.org \| Info on Various APL Implementations		May 21 00:13
XRevan86	theta is used in science stuff, so it makes sense	May 21 00:14
MinceR	greek theta, not russian theta :>	May 21 00:14
MinceR	s/russian/cyrillic/	May 21 00:14
cubexyz	I saved APL 1975 from extinction	May 21 00:14
XRevan86	MinceR: no wa~	May 21 00:14
MinceR	:)	May 21 00:14
XRevan86	MinceR: Next thing you'll say when people write "Г" in science they don't mean the Cyrillic "Г"	May 21 00:16
cubexyz	haven't had the time to delve into the old unix stuff of late	May 21 00:16
XRevan86	and when "E" they don't mean the Cyrillic "E	May 21 00:16
cubexyz	well I don't :)	May 21 00:17
XRevan86	cubexyz: You don't say that? :)	May 21 00:17
MinceR	XRevan86: :)	May 21 00:18
cubexyz	I sometimes use epsilon, theta, iota, gamma and pi of course	May 21 00:18
cubexyz	and rho	May 21 00:18
cubexyz	and delta	May 21 00:18
cubexyz	all from APL though	May 21 00:19
XRevan86	cubexyz: Are you sure you don't accidentally use Е, Ѳ, I, Г, П and Р? :P	May 21 00:19
MinceR	more crazy stuff >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_%28Cyrillic%29#Computing_codes	May 21 00:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| O (Cyrillic) - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/qwb0o ]		May 21 00:19
---brendyn is now known as brendyyn		May 21 00:19
cubexyz	capital E and capital P sure	May 21 00:20
XRevan86	and Д	May 21 00:20
XRevan86	> CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ROUND OMEGA	May 21 00:20
XRevan86	MinceR: I didn't know it's omega %)	May 21 00:20
XRevan86	always thought it's called "on"	May 21 00:21
cubexyz	if I had a proper APL keyboard I would type the symbol rather than the word	May 21 00:21
MinceR	:)	May 21 00:21
cubexyz	but those things are expensive	May 21 00:21
MinceR	the eyed versions are crazier	May 21 00:21
XRevan86	ꙮ	May 21 00:22
XRevan86	If I'd need a symbol for trypophobia, that would be the one.	May 21 00:22
MinceR	:>	May 21 00:22
MinceR	the only mentions of "omega" i see there are about a variant version	May 21 00:22
MinceR	not O itself	May 21 00:22
MinceR	Ѻ	May 21 00:22
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_On found an article about it	May 21 00:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Broad On - Wikipedia		May 21 00:23
XRevan86	MinceR: My font shows this broad "on" more condensed than the non-broad one %)	May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866069262225428480	May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	@SleepyPenguin1 @tuxmachines Not a robot, it was me doing	May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	it	May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:26
MinceR	:)	May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	@debexpert https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/866072690829996032	May 21 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz @kaddourkardio @tuxmachines isn't beautiful	May 21 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	guys? >> #SailfishOS https://t.co/hLVASS4kx2	May 21 00:29
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz @kaddourkardio @tuxmachines isn't beautiful guys? >> #SailfishOS https://t.co/hLVASS4kx2		May 21 00:29
MinceR	that's right: it isn't.	May 21 00:30
MinceR	and it's less free than android	May 21 00:30
MinceR	and it has systemd and kdbus	May 21 00:30
XRevan86	MinceR: So, you really believe Android is more free than systemd?	May 21 00:32
XRevan86	How contributor friendly is Android? How open is its development?	May 21 00:32
cubexyz	did android always use systemd?	May 21 00:33
XRevan86	cubexyz: Never did, never will.	May 21 00:33
cubexyz	ok, got confused there, sorry :)	May 21 00:33
MinceR	yes	May 21 00:34
MinceR	afaik android is not obfuscated	May 21 00:34
XRevan86	How Android is being developed: Google makes stuff under closed-doors, then after they are done, releases the code.	May 21 00:34
XRevan86	MinceR: Android is the most obfuscated thing.	May 21 00:35
MinceR	how Lendows is being developed: either red hat bigwigs or poettering himself makes up some unworkable bullshit behind closed doors, and then forces the code on everyone.	May 21 00:35
XRevan86	MinceR: "behind closed doors" means that you don't get to see the VCS.	May 21 00:36
XRevan86	Google just throws a tarball at you.	May 21 00:37
XRevan86	a very giant tarball	May 21 00:37
MinceR	what are these, then? >> https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/q/status:open	May 21 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-android-review.googlesource.com \| Gerrit Code Review		May 21 00:38
oiaohm	MinceR: answer these question what year did systemd start development with a open repository and what year did distributions start using it.	May 21 00:38
MinceR	oh no, i woke the red hat marketroid	May 21 00:38
cubexyz	easy, whatever year fedora 16 came out	May 21 00:39
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is for when distribution started using it. That not when repostory appeared.	May 21 00:39
MinceR	fedora 15 already came with cancerd	May 21 00:39
oiaohm	MinceR: before that.	May 21 00:39
cubexyz	oh yeah could have been 15	May 21 00:40
oiaohm	MinceR: the repositry was open 12 months before a fedora contained it.	May 21 00:40
cubexyz	may 2011 then	May 21 00:40
MinceR	oiaohm: and then it went on for years without becoming stable	May 21 00:40
XRevan86	MinceR: Oh, not a tarball then	May 21 00:41
MinceR	but that's fine	May 21 00:41
MinceR	who needs workable code when you already have hot air?	May 21 00:41
oiaohm	MinceR: the developed been closed doors claim does not hold up on systemd.	May 21 00:41
oiaohm	MinceR: quality issues do.	May 21 00:41
XRevan86	the developing stuff is still not there though	May 21 00:41
MinceR	oiaohm: oh, whom did poettering consult when coming up with all that shit?	May 21 00:41
MinceR	"the systemd cabal" doesn't exactly call to mind a particularly community-oriented process	May 21 00:42
MinceR	i certainly don't remember being asked whether i wanted the distro i relied on being shat all over and gradually turned into a windows clone	May 21 00:42
oiaohm	MinceR: also that gets intersting when you look at the first 5 developers before anyone was using systemd.	May 21 00:42
MinceR	but here we are	May 21 00:42
XRevan86	So, if I want to contribute to Android…	May 21 00:42
oiaohm	MinceR: Poettering was not the only developer and the developer were not all redhat.	May 21 00:42
MinceR	XRevan86: iirc repo has some mechanism to submit your code for code review	May 21 00:42
MinceR	and if it passes that, it gets integrated	May 21 00:43
XRevan86	MinceR: The current Android is just not there.	May 21 00:43
MinceR	but i don't know how open they are to external contributions	May 21 00:43
XRevan86	The code is outdated.	May 21 00:43
XRevan86	What am I gonna do? Contribute to Kitkat and then tell everybody how helpful I was for Android?	May 21 00:43
MinceR	XRevan86: well, at least google isn't afraid of putting actual comments in their code	May 21 00:44
*XRevan86 now looks at systemd		May 21 00:45
*XRevan86 sees comments.		May 21 00:46
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd repo opens 2010 the first fedora with it in repository is fedora 14 in 2011. In that first 12 months you already have developers from debian and suse adding stuff. Mostly because they could due to where they work sign Ubuntu CLA and add stuff to upstart.	May 21 00:46
TweetTuxMachines	@debexpert https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/866073357669847040	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	.@kaddourkardio @schestowitz @tuxmachines ;)))))))	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	command line man! Those are phones for us :D #SailfishOS	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wtFZGTsJ8a	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: .@kaddourkardio @schestowitz @tuxmachines ;))))))) command line man! Those are phones for us :D #SailfishOS https://t.co/wtFZGTsJ8a		May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077839937765377	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	Windows Security Cannot be Blamed on "XP"	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/20H9Ja5GNL (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Windows Security Cannot be Blamed on "XP" \| Tux Machines		May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077841405779968	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	OSS Leftovers https://t.co/CfTKDYxCwI	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OSS Leftovers \| Tux Machines		May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077842521464832	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	Red Hat Interviews https://t.co/2tq45f3zap	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat Interviews \| Tux Machines		May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077843586899968	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	KDE and GNOME News https://t.co/IlCAXN6vko	May 21 00:47
oiaohm	MinceR: opps could not sign Ubuntu CLA to add stuff to upstart.	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE and GNOME News \| Tux Machines		May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077844811636736	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	Gaming News https://t.co/gna2pi2RaZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Gaming News \| Tux Machines		May 21 00:47
MinceR	adding stuff won't save upstart either, it's crap	May 21 00:47
MinceR	just not quite as crap as systemd	May 21 00:48
MinceR	sure, it abuses signals and pthreads mindlessly	May 21 00:48
MinceR	but at least it has a scope	May 21 00:48
XRevan86	a scope?	May 21 00:48
oiaohm	MinceR: there was a patch done for upstart that was refused to switch it to cgroups.	May 21 00:48
MinceR	XRevan86: a clearly defined purpose	May 21 00:49
oiaohm	MinceR: more open developmenton upstart then systemd would have never existed.	May 21 00:49
MinceR	oiaohm: unsurprising, considering that cgroups aren't done yet	May 21 00:49
XRevan86	MinceR: To boot Ubuntu?	May 21 00:49
MinceR	XRevan86: manage services and reap zombies	May 21 00:50
MinceR	presumably also boot and shutdown	May 21 00:50
XRevan86	and show fsck progress in plymouth	May 21 00:50
MinceR	isn't that plymouth's job?	May 21 00:50
XRevan86	MinceR: Upstart did that somehow	May 21 00:51
XRevan86	and required plymouth as a result	May 21 00:51
XRevan86	I was very impressed to see Ubuntu Server with plymouth	May 21 00:51
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MinceR	lol	May 21 00:51
XRevan86	(there was no way to get rid of it)	May 21 00:51
MinceR	well, these lamers raised on windows probably shit their pants in fear if they see a text mode console	May 21 00:52
oiaohm	MinceR: upstart is crap in different ways to systemd.	May 21 00:52
cubexyz	I should point out that we don't really have text mode these days	May 21 00:52
cubexyz	even the console uses a graphics mode	May 21 00:52
cubexyz	you'd need a serial terminal for true text mode	May 21 00:53
XRevan86	MinceR: Upstart just can't live without Plymouth.	May 21 00:53
MinceR	oiaohm: yeah	May 21 00:53
oiaohm	MinceR: also systemd collection of project into its own tells a scary story. Of projects with only 1 maintain and no time to process CVE bugs.	May 21 00:54
MinceR	failing at its job due to using signals and ptrace for something that is not their purpose	May 21 00:54
MinceR	instead of failing at its job due to using cgroups and trying to do everything before they get even that right	May 21 00:54
XRevan86	MinceR: Upstart also has an integration with dconf. Nifty.	May 21 00:54
MinceR	oiaohm: ooh, more excuses	May 21 00:54
MinceR	oiaohm: can you show me where i asked for excuses?	May 21 00:54
MinceR	ooh, dconf	May 21 00:54
oiaohm	MinceR: no that is not an excuse	May 21 00:54
oiaohm	MinceR: how many open CVE were in udev before it merged into systemd?	May 21 00:55
oiaohm	MinceR: Open of more than 2 years.	May 21 00:55
oiaohm	MinceR: 12 in fact. This becomes a very big scary story.	May 21 00:56
MinceR	oiaohm: talk to me about CVEs when cancerd doesn't go into "stable" distro releases with null pointer dereferences all over it	May 21 00:56
oiaohm	Something had to change in the way a lot of these projects were maintained.	May 21 00:56
MinceR	obviously, the solution was to merge them into the most hostile project in history	May 21 00:56
MinceR	which is managed under the CADT model	May 21 00:57
MinceR	which is just the thing you need for security	May 21 00:57
oiaohm	By merging they got a bigger security team with more maitainers approved to-do the stuff.	May 21 00:57
MinceR	keeping bugs in your bug tracker for years, then mass deleting them because you rewrote the whole thing makes stuff oh so secure	May 21 00:57
oiaohm	And the fix rate on CVE has reduced to under 3 months.	May 21 00:57
MinceR	what sort of security team do they have?	May 21 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077846220845056	May 21 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	today's leftovers https://t.co/lUZTLQqvWD	May 21 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 00:57
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		May 21 00:57
MinceR	what sort of "security team" approves the sort of messy shit that is systemd?	May 21 00:58
oiaohm	MinceR: general bugs I wish systemd had the same fix speed.	May 21 00:58
MinceR	maybe it would, if it had a scope	May 21 00:58
MinceR	and they focused on making service management work instead of reimplementing the whole userspace	May 21 00:58
cubexyz	I made more progress trying to compile apl.75 for Unix v5	May 21 00:59
cubexyz	sometimes I get too tired to work on it :-/	May 21 00:59
oiaohm	MinceR: most of the merges into systemd happened because they were worried about secure service management found faults reported then worked out the maintainer did not have the time or the resources to fix them.	May 21 01:00
MinceR	apparently they don't have the time or the resources to do everything they want inside systemd either	May 21 01:00
cubexyz	none of us are really systemd people though yes?	May 21 01:00
MinceR	oiaohm seems to be	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866080516776144898	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	Links 21/5/2017: Linux 3.18.53, Tizen 4.0	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0HhONtvUv1 (techrights.org)	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 01:01
MinceR	lately all of his activity is shilling systemd	May 21 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 21/5/2017: Linux 3.18.53, Tizen 4.0 \| Techrights		May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866081432585752582	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	Still thinking hard how to manage news postings about	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	Maybe something along the lines of RTing @tuxmachines on	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	it all?	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 01:01
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd has merged a huge stack of under resourced projects. This creates 1 project under resourced.	May 21 01:01
MinceR	and conveniently creates tight coupling between what used to be independent projects	May 21 01:02
MinceR	the better to force that NSA backdoor on you	May 21 01:03
MinceR	apparently having an NSA backdoor is now "security"	May 21 01:03
oiaohm	MinceR: funny part is most of the projects that were merged in systemd will still build as inpendent parts.	May 21 01:03
MinceR	they just won't run?	May 21 01:03
MinceR	what a relief	May 21 01:03
cubexyz	can't believe distrowatch has reactos higher than slackware	May 21 01:03
oiaohm	MinceR: run perfectly.	May 21 01:03
MinceR	it's not like i ever wanted my software to run	May 21 01:03
MinceR	what's reactos doing on distrowatch?	May 21 01:03
oiaohm	MinceR: evdev that is a fork off of udev in system all they did was strip away all the other systemd parts and set make file to make udev.	May 21 01:04
MinceR	well, i guess if systemd/Linux fits there then so does reactos	May 21 01:04
oiaohm	MinceR: no source modifications.	May 21 01:04
XRevan86	Why there's no Windows on distrowatch?	May 21 01:04
MinceR	oiaohm: no, that's eudev	May 21 01:04
MinceR	oiaohm: and they actually had to do work on it	May 21 01:04
cubexyz	reactos is still a distro I guess	May 21 01:04
MinceR	oiaohm: evdev is an entirely other piece of software	May 21 01:04
MinceR	reactos is a windows nt reimplementation	May 21 01:04
XRevan86	A distro of Wine? :)	May 21 01:04
MinceR	a more honest one, at that	May 21 01:05
*TweetTuxMachines @calcaware retweeted @schestowitz: 'Still thinking hard how to manage news postings...'		May 21 01:05
MinceR	it's a somewhat terrifying idea that to some people "security" means a constantly churning massive hairball of baroque software	May 21 01:07
MinceR	they probably don't even know what "hardening" or "separation of concerns" are	May 21 01:07
cubexyz	well "make every program a filter" certainly seem to have went out the window :)	May 21 01:11
MinceR	funny oiaohm should pick udev to try and prove that systemd components are independent of systemd	May 21 01:11
MinceR	https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html	May 21 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org \| [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loader		May 21 01:11
MinceR	>we will	May 21 01:11
MinceR	not support non-systemd systems with udev anymore starting at that	May 21 01:11
MinceR	point. Gentoo folks, this is your wakeup call.	May 21 01:11
MinceR	"run perfectly", he says	May 21 01:12
MinceR	poppycock.	May 21 01:12
cubexyz	I still use pre-udev systems	May 21 01:16
cubexyz	not sure if there's any modern distro that does though	May 21 01:16
MinceR	i still have a version of udev poettering didn't shit all over	May 21 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/TimberGhost7/status/866082403261050880	May 21 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Still thinking hard how to manage news postings about	May 21 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	@TimberGhost7 #gnu #linux	May 21 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	Maybe something along the lines of RTing @tuxmachines on	May 21 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	it all?	May 21 01:17
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 01:17
cubexyz	didn't they merge udev with systemd?	May 21 01:18
cubexyz	kind of forced on everybody	May 21 01:18
cubexyz	maybe that's wrong	May 21 01:19
MinceR	they moved udev into the systemd project, claiming that it will still support usage without systemd	May 21 01:19
MinceR	http://archive.is/pxRdY	May 21 01:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is \| The future of the udev source tree		May 21 01:20
MinceR	they waited a little more than 2 years to admit that this was a lie	May 21 01:20
MinceR	but apparently some people still blindly trust poettering and his cult	May 21 01:20
cubexyz	I think you could build a linux without udev though	May 21 01:20
cubexyz	if you really wanted to	May 21 01:21
MinceR	i think i could also switch to netbsd or openbsd or dragonflybsd	May 21 01:21
cubexyz	sure, I'm on openbsd right now	May 21 01:21
cubexyz	with LFS you could build whatever you want I think	May 21 01:24
oiaohm	MinceR: yet 3 years latter patches are going into systemd for building udev independently	May 21 01:25
oiaohm	MinceR: problem is your statements don't line up to the commit history.	May 21 01:25
cubexyz	BLFS book shows a way to build all devices as static	May 21 01:25
cubexyz	of course with the BSDs you avoid systemd and udev	May 21 01:26
MinceR	with at least one of them, you get launchd instead	May 21 01:26
MinceR	which is almost as cancerous	May 21 01:26
cubexyz	if I write anything I test on openbsd as well as linux	May 21 01:26
MinceR	i wonder how will redhat/microsoft try to kill off the BSD-s	May 21 01:27
MinceR	maybe just close the last door in uefi and make them unbootable on uefi appliances	May 21 01:27
oiaohm	MinceR: redhat does not have to. Look what happen to freebsd with playstation 3	May 21 01:27
oiaohm	MinceR: lot of parties will use BSD and then submit absolutely nothing back.	May 21 01:28
MinceR	oiaohm: that has so far failed to kill bsd	May 21 01:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866088156776484864	May 21 01:28
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oiaohm	MinceR: it has meant that BSD is always suffering from poorer hardware support.	May 21 01:28
MinceR	our hardware is turning to shit anyway	May 21 01:28
cubexyz	the classic computing folks are still using PDP-11s so of course BSD is going to survive	May 21 01:29
MinceR	we have uefi, intel boot guard, intel me, amd psp	May 21 01:29
cubexyz	you could run openbsd on chromebook even	May 21 01:29
oiaohm	To be truthful I like arm psp where it a arm chip and you can decomplier what in heck it coded todo.	May 21 01:30
oiaohm	amd psp not arm psp.	May 21 01:30
MinceR	maybe they'll put some sort of DRM in drivers so even if you had full specs to the hw, you can't write a driver for it unless you decap all the dies and find the secret keys	May 21 01:30
cubexyz	I like BSD a lot, but for old loki games and old LGP games I'm going to use old Linux	May 21 01:30
MinceR	i'd prefer not having to decompile	May 21 01:30
cubexyz	can't use BSD for everything	May 21 01:30
MinceR	i'll have to try and build an FPGA-based computer	May 21 01:31
oiaohm	MinceR: compared to intel ME that is basically hey we make our own custom instruction sets.	May 21 01:31
oiaohm	MinceR: we already have signed firmware. That is holding DRM in the likes of Nvidia video cards.	May 21 01:32
cubexyz	opencores guarantees the survival of old BSD on FPGA	May 21 01:32
MinceR	oiaohm: at least that runs on the hw	May 21 01:33
cubexyz	as I said before, there's no doomsday scenario where M$ takes over everything	May 21 01:33
MinceR	there indeed is one	May 21 01:33
MinceR	m$ and/or crApple already have backdoored the entire IT infrastructure of at least one state	May 21 01:33
oiaohm	MinceR: no there is not hardware vendors are not interested in keeping on paying Microsoft either.	May 21 01:33
oiaohm	MinceR: google could do a doomsday.	May 21 01:34
MinceR	leaders of nazi hungary gloated about writing the text of laws on computers that crApple has root on and they do not	May 21 01:34
cubexyz	ok... the slackware peeps have a good text file about UEFI:	May 21 01:37
oiaohm	MinceR: https://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2017/05/03/a-free-upgrade-to-windows-10-pro-might-make-windows-s-laptops-worth-buying/ Of course they miss that Microsoft has had to give Windows S to hardware vendors for nothing.	May 21 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| A free upgrade to Windows 10 Pro might make Windows S laptops worth buying		May 21 01:37
cubexyz	http://bear.alienbase.nl/mirrors/slackware/slackware64-14.2/README_UEFI.TXT	May 21 01:37
MinceR	a "free" "upgrade"	May 21 01:37
MinceR	finally we have malware that can be "upgraded" "freely"!	May 21 01:37
oiaohm	MinceR: yep for school students to keep Microsoft in schools.	May 21 01:37
oiaohm	Microsoft is making a stack of different losses to maintain it position.	May 21 01:38
oiaohm	And those lose ammounts are increasing every year.	May 21 01:38
MinceR	and all of those losses are ours	May 21 01:38
MinceR	they forced us to buy TPMs in our business laptops	May 21 01:38
MinceR	they forced UEFI into our PCs	May 21 01:38
MinceR	they forced Restricted Boot into our PCs	May 21 01:38
MinceR	they forced their formats onto citizens by corrupting governments	May 21 01:39
MinceR	they forced their products on students	May 21 01:39
oiaohm	Thing to remember Microsoft has to get income to operate. So it has to recover money from somewhere.	May 21 01:41
MinceR	and so they have patent trolling	May 21 01:41
MinceR	and they have masses of people indoctrinated into microsoft crap	May 21 01:41
oiaohm	Why there were so many places still running XP because those were areas where Microsoft wants to get paid.	May 21 01:41
MinceR	no, that's because vista and later versions are somehow even more atrocious than xp	May 21 01:42
MinceR	somehow microsoft and apple always manages to find a way to make their products even shittier	May 21 01:42
MinceR	apparently the great potential in humanity is to find ways to make extremely shitty things even shittier	May 21 01:42
MinceR	somehow the bkk ticket vending machines detect whether you want to do something with the transaction you started but did not finish -- if you wanted to do something, they forget all the data immediately	May 21 01:43
MinceR	but if you walk off, it stays there forever	May 21 01:43
cubexyz	there's air gapped XP now	May 21 01:44
cubexyz	e.g. games	May 21 01:44
cubexyz	no wifi no internet	May 21 01:44
MinceR	it also has a broken banknote scanner, a broken qr code scanner, a touchscreen that doesn't work and it also can't do bank transactions properly	May 21 01:44
MinceR	windows needs one more air gap, at the power supply	May 21 01:44
cubexyz	don't look at me dude, I don't give M$ one cent :)	May 21 01:45
MinceR	and the people who force this shit on me also need an air gap in their food and water supply	May 21 01:45
MinceR	what used to be the most prestigious university in hungary now routinely tries to turn its students into vassals of microsoft	May 21 01:46
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep do note that apples EFI is that far broken installing another OS can brick it.	May 21 01:46
MinceR	samsung also developed a self-bricking uefi implementation	May 21 01:47
oiaohm	MinceR: that one was impressive.	May 21 01:47
MinceR	indeed	May 21 01:47
oiaohm	MinceR: no OS required.	May 21 01:47
MinceR	well, uefi is an OS unto itself	May 21 01:48
oiaohm	MinceR: and thinking they started with the intel reference UEFI implementation that worked.	May 21 01:48
MinceR	"worked"	May 21 01:48
cubexyz	you could KO the UEFI and switch to coreboot	May 21 01:48
MinceR	you could	May 21 01:48
oiaohm	MinceR: ie did not kill self.	May 21 01:48
MinceR	if intel didn't sabotage competition with boot guard	May 21 01:48
MinceR	microsoft has vassals in governments all over the word that ensures they can get money robbed from taxpayers sent to them any time	May 21 01:50
cubexyz	Sony was bad axing OtherOS option	May 21 01:52
MinceR	indeed	May 21 01:52
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cubexyz	I was sorry to see that... then the federal judge dismisses the lawsuit	May 21 01:52
MinceR	but it was of no use to them once they managed to get the suckers to pay for their shitty consoles expecting to run a real OS on them	May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/866093520959881221	May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Still thinking hard how to manage news postings about	May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	@linuxusergroup #gnu #linux	May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	Maybe something along the lines of RTing @tuxmachines on	May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	it all?	May 21 01:52
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MinceR	i missed that	May 21 01:52
MinceR	so i guess there are no "truth in advertisement" laws in effect in the usa anymore	May 21 01:53
MinceR	just like there are no antitrust laws that are enforced	May 21 01:53
cubexyz	you still can use OtherOS on early PlayStation 3's	May 21 01:53
cubexyz	just not newer ones	May 21 01:53
MinceR	until you use PSN	May 21 01:53
MinceR	which will then "upgrade" the system to break OtherOS	May 21 01:54
cubexyz	sony was weird... they actually had a PS2 Linux kit	May 21 01:54
MinceR	i wonder if they broke that too	May 21 01:54
oiaohm	MinceR: the PS2 kit still works.	May 21 01:55
cubexyz	Sony gave $55 to OtherOS users in a settlement	May 21 01:56
MinceR	> If you are using an Apple Intel Mac, DO NOT TRY TO	May 21 01:58
MinceR	> INSTALL A MENU ENTRY! It would probably brick your firmware requiring Apple	May 21 01:58
MinceR	> to service the machine to reflash the firmware.	May 21 01:58
MinceR	ah yes, the famous apple "quality"	May 21 01:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/bestariwebhost/status/866094306544713728	May 21 02:46
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Still thinking hard how to manage news postings about	May 21 02:46
TweetTuxMachines	@bestariwebhost #gnu #linux	May 21 02:46
TweetTuxMachines	Maybe something along the lines of RTing @tuxmachines on	May 21 02:46
TweetTuxMachines	it all?	May 21 02:46
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cubexyz	I can build APL\11 1976 edition on Unix v6	May 21 05:24
cubexyz	the simplest way to get programs into this version is to look at old APL\360 code	May 21 05:40
cubexyz	I got some code here from 1976 or 1977 but I haven't managed to get it to work	May 21 05:41
cubexyz	it's a real bother but I've started suffixing the APL programs with the year	May 21 05:44
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cubexyz	ah, glorious progress :)	May 21 06:23
cubexyz	didn't help that there was no documentation	May 21 06:24
cubexyz	this is actual 1975 APL code	May 21 06:25
cubexyz	pretty hard to decipher	May 21 06:26
cubexyz	at least I know what it is now	May 21 06:26
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/apl-1975-decimal-to-hex.txt	May 21 06:26
cubexyz	so to use it is dth followed by the decimal number you want converted to hex	May 21 06:27
cubexyz	e.g. dth 10 returns 0000000a	May 21 06:28
cubexyz	still not sure what the other programs do	May 21 06:29
cubexyz	except that htd converts hex to decimal	May 21 06:30
cubexyz	with htd it is necessary to bracket the argument with K's	May 21 06:39
cubexyz	so:	May 21 06:39
cubexyz	htd K100K returns 256 as expected	May 21 06:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866225821882621952	May 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	#Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shields	May 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bdogsesbXw (linuxgizmos.com) #linux	May 21 10:35
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TweetTuxMachines	NHS mulling Ubuntu switch after Windows XP fail?	May 21 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/M53wBJde6L (www.trustedreviews.com)	May 21 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	#nhs already uses #gnu #linux at back end. Why not	May 21 10:55
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TweetTuxMachines	desktops too?	May 21 10:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866231241015676928	May 21 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shields	May 21 10:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866279213334011904	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	How about this? Starting next month, GNU/Linux news	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	typically posted by @tuxmachines then just RTd/shared by	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	me? To avoid dupes...	May 21 14:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866283306395893760	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	For many years (over a decade) I kept abreast of	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux news, but it's time to partly move on and pass	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	the baton to @tuxmachines mostly	May 21 14:23
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TweetTuxMachines	Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the	May 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C	May 21 14:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@io_r_us Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C	May 21 15:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866306988526911490	May 21 15:58
TweetTuxMachines	5 reasons the D programming language is a great choice	May 21 15:58
TweetTuxMachines	for development https://t.co/1PEBhR93wv (opensource.com)	May 21 15:58
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TweetTuxMachines	#gnome 3.26 Developments	May 21 15:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/tsZLxopKdp (blogs.gnome.org)	May 21 15:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307218034970624	May 21 15:59
TweetTuxMachines	“Meson is definitely getting more traction in GNOME (and	May 21 15:59
TweetTuxMachines	other projects), with many components adding support for”	May 21 15:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/EXS2cqzydo (www.bassi.io)	May 21 15:59
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TweetTuxMachines	Brisk Menu 0.4.0 Is Out with Super Key Support, Adapts to	May 21 15:59
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TweetTuxMachines	Total War: #SHOGUN 2 & Fall of the Samurai Launch on	May 21 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	#Linux and #SteamOS on May 23 https://t.co/dtYqrNYZOz	May 21 16:00
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TweetTuxMachines	Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the	May 21 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	#Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/PNr62oz1QU	May 21 16:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866312139786539008	May 21 16:19
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Releases: 4.11.2, 4.10.17, 4.9.29, 4.4.69, 3.18.53	May 21 16:19
TweetTuxMachines	and 3.18.54 https://t.co/PU6bNtX01i (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 16:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity What a moment. Who in Watford would...'		May 21 16:21
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Chelsea has shed light on shady dealings...'		May 21 16:21
MinceR	https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/18/dell_bios_update_borks_pcs/	May 21 16:31
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MinceR	https://twitter.com/pixelnull/status/866266179702333440	May 21 16:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixelnull: This gif of Bannon scared to death is now my favorite thing on the internet. https://t.co/zLUsJJAEoa		May 21 16:32
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Chelsea has shed light on...'		May 21 16:39
*TweetTuxMachines @debexpert favourited 'NHS mulling Ubuntu switch after Windows XP fail?...'		May 21 16:40
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity City the kings of possession this season,...'		May 21 16:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866320337490722816	May 21 16:51
TweetTuxMachines	Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017	May 21 16:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/r394ZqSYgM (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 16:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1BlQAkyCpZ	May 21 16:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017 https://t.co/r394ZqSYgM https://t.co/1BlQAkyCpZ		May 21 16:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866328749167452161	May 21 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	KDE Leftovers https://t.co/aKvOP8d1qd	May 21 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 17:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Leftovers \| Tux Machines		May 21 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329135164960769	May 21 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	Getting Free Software into our users’ hands	May 21 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6KntnWghZR (www.proli.net)	May 21 17:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proli.net \| Getting Free Software into our users’ hands \| TheBlindCow		May 21 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329425226326017	May 21 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps to Remotely	May 21 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	Access a Computer https://t.co/9sE54WhfIy	May 21 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.maketecheasier.com)	May 21 17:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329674816774145	May 21 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017	May 21 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Oiq3JBeLRJ (www.techradar.com)	May 21 17:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @jesusguevarauto favourited '5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps...'		May 21 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/jesusguevarauto/status/866336581963173888	May 21 17:56
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by 5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps to Remotely	May 21 17:56
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto Access a Computer https://t.co/9sE54WhfIy	May 21 17:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.maketecheasier.com)	May 21 17:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited '5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps...'		May 21 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866345103073333248	May 21 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	White House Tech Policy Brought by Microsoft	May 21 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/r9B0IMZPFf (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 18:31
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| White House Tech Policy Brought by Microsoft \| Tux Machines		May 21 18:31
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/d8NMbcE.jpg	May 21 18:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Australia is far too keen and even...'		May 21 18:56
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/2IN7hQh.gif (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/NEaAu )	May 21 19:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support...'		May 21 19:59
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Brisk Menu 0.4.0 Is Out with Super Key...'		May 21 19:59
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support...'		May 21 19:59
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/ZW9sEtP.gifv (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/7UbTv )	May 21 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com \| Various animals stop for a drink of water		May 21 20:59
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Total War: #SHOGUN 2 & Fall of the...'		May 21 21:20
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/transubstantiation	May 21 21:26
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MinceR	http://imgur.com/a/509k5	May 21 22:56
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cubexyz	Vint Cerf is complaining about text written in WordPerfect from 20 years ago	May 21 23:11
cubexyz	uh, maybe convert that to ASCII?	May 21 23:12
MinceR	:>	May 21 23:17
oiaohm	cubexyz: odd balls like 20 year old wordperfect documents is something I use Libreoffice for.	May 21 23:25
cubexyz	printouts are good too	May 21 23:25
MinceR	they're bulky and heavy	May 21 23:26
cubexyz	if Bell Labs printed all their source code, we wouldn't have lost so much	May 21 23:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866426901992099840	May 21 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Media and Staff Association Elections at #EPO and #WIPO	May 21 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Are Compromised https://t.co/1tf4ZVxXga (techrights.org)	May 21 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	#gurry #battistelli	May 21 23:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Media and Staff Association Elections at EPO and WIPO Are Compromised \| Techrights		May 21 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866426965233770496	May 21 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by The wait is over. #epo news announcements are published	May 21 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines in #techrights before the EPO gets to it	May 21 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fnAa3BN5ln (techrights.org) #eia17	May 21 23:58
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 23:58
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cubexyz	what are you going to trust for long term storage, magnetic media?	May 22 00:04
MinceR	whatever it is, it should probably copied to newer media every now and then	May 22 00:05
MinceR	other than that, perhaps something like M-DISC	May 22 00:05
cubexyz	paper will last for over 100 years	May 22 00:05
MinceR	also, possibly multiple technologies at the same time	May 22 00:05
MinceR	paper is heavy, bulky and a nightmare to manage	May 22 00:05
MinceR	even if you print something like QR codes, the data density is abysmal	May 22 00:06
cubexyz	m-disc sure	May 22 00:06
cubexyz	a ten pack is about $60 CAN though	May 22 00:07
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cubexyz	the m-disc drives are only around $39.99	May 22 00:09
oiaohm	cubexyz: paper correctly handed lasts about 1000 years. Its the ink that normally comes problemmatic.	May 22 00:10
cubexyz	I've seen parts of paper dissolve	May 22 00:11
oiaohm	cubexyz: note the correctly handled bit.	May 22 00:12
cubexyz	this happened with an old science book I have from the mid-1970s	May 22 00:12
oiaohm	cubexyz: there are rules of archives if they are obeyed include no human allow to touch the paper the life span is very much expanded.	May 22 00:12
cubexyz	no text was lost though	May 22 00:12
cubexyz	well the only reason we still have Unix version 1 is because of paper	May 22 00:13
cubexyz	some early computers used paper tape	May 22 00:13
cubexyz	anyways, for video m-disc is probably the way to go	May 22 00:14
cubexyz	I was merely thinking about preserving old source code	May 22 00:14
cubexyz	I lost some important executables for the commodore 64, but I printed the source code out over 30 years ago	May 22 00:15
oiaohm	There is a theory calcuation that a A4 page printed could hold a max of 293mb uncompressed data.	May 22 00:15
oiaohm	That is double sided of course.	May 22 00:16
oiaohm	and scan that would be trouble.	May 22 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866428048643469313	May 22 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Documents Help Demonstrate That #ILO Delivers	May 22 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Institutional Injustice to #EPO Employees and Cushions	May 22 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	#Battistelli https://t.co/LsAD9MW03d (techrights.org)	May 22 00:16
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 00:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| New Documents Help Demonstrate That ILO Delivers Institutional Injustice to EPO Employees and Cushions Team Battistelli \| Techrights		May 22 00:16
oiaohm	So it yes you can put 293mb of data on a bit of A4 but then have nothing to read it back.	May 22 00:17
*TweetTuxMachines @RGhaznaviZadeh favourited 'Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support...'		May 22 00:18
cubexyz	given the expensive of m-disc some folks might just copy all their discs every few years	May 22 00:19
cubexyz	s/expensive/expense/	May 22 00:19
oiaohm	m-disc are good tech it going to be great when the patent expires and we have competition in production.	May 22 00:20
oiaohm	cubexyz: 2030 is when the m-disc patents give up the ghost.	May 22 00:22
*TweetTuxMachines @JamieXML favourited 'Getting Free Software into our users’ hands https://t.co/6KntnWghZR'		May 22 00:29
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timet_2	hello everyone	May 22 00:57
timet_2	does anyone know where I can get more info on software reviews for A+ Practice test?	May 22 00:58
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cubexyz	so patient	May 22 01:01
cubexyz	not a great test btw	May 22 01:06
cubexyz	very superficial	May 22 01:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866450581929435137	May 22 01:39
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by LEAKED: European Inventor Award Finalists, or Stooges	May 22 01:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Whom the Tyrant #Battistelli Exploits	May 22 01:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fnAa3BN5ln (techrights.org) #eia17	May 22 01:40
TweetTuxMachines	Finalists. #epo	May 22 01:40
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 01:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866453507116683264	May 22 02:05
TweetTuxMachines	The way I think division of topics (and 'labour') would	May 22 02:05
TweetTuxMachines	work best is, my account will post non-Linux things and	May 22 02:05
TweetTuxMachines	only RT @tuxmachines on GNU*	May 22 02:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866476883759685633	May 22 03:14
TweetTuxMachines	#Android Leftovers https://t.co/5ZG2q3rQLy	May 22 03:14
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #google #linux #androidO #sony	May 22 03:14
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		May 22 03:14
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers https://t.co/5ZG2q3rQLy #google #linux #androidO #sony'		May 22 03:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866478751089016832	May 22 03:28
TweetTuxMachines	The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)	May 22 03:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5vp5tLSNct (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 03:28
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 03:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday) \| Tux Machines		May 22 03:28
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)...'		May 22 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866482263583637504	May 22 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	#Lubuntu Vs. #Xubuntu https://t.co/gajL367hSV	May 22 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #lxde #xfce #gnu #linux #ubuntu	May 22 03:35
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| Lubuntu Vs. Xubuntu \| Tux Machines		May 22 03:35
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Lubuntu Vs. #Xubuntu https://t.co/gajL367hSV #lxde #xfce #gnu #linux...'		May 22 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866482887700303874	May 22 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers https://t.co/QAurqKHKJk	May 22 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 03:36
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		May 22 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866482891978559488	May 22 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)	May 22 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4ssP9qwiPJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 03:36
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday) \| Tux Machines		May 22 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866482904402083840	May 22 03:38
TweetTuxMachines	Lubuntu Vs. Xubuntu https://t.co/FJWXxgdmhF	May 22 03:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/EJwtF1zcKl	May 22 03:38
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Lubuntu Vs. Xubuntu \| Tux Machines		May 22 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Lubuntu Vs. Xubuntu https://t.co/FJWXxgdmhF https://t.co/EJwtF1zcKl		May 22 03:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866483296275845121	May 22 03:39
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 03:39
TweetTuxMachines	#howto #gnu #linux #cli	May 22 03:39
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		May 22 03:39
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB #howto #gnu #linux #cli'		May 22 03:40
*TweetTuxMachines @akaSassinak retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB #howto #gnu #linux #cli'		May 22 03:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB #howto #gnu #linux #cli'		May 22 03:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Lubuntu Vs. #Xubuntu https://t.co/gajL367hSV #lxde #xfce #gnu #linux...'		May 22 03:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866486606445789186	May 22 03:51
TweetTuxMachines	Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399	May 22 03:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/rU1GS1ITzI (tuxmachines.org) #windows not	May 22 03:51
TweetTuxMachines	even an option. #ubuntu #gnu #linux	May 22 03:51
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 03:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399 \| Tux Machines		May 22 03:52
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for...'		May 22 03:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866486756358578176	May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399	May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/rU1GS1ITzI (tuxmachines.org) #windows not	May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines	even an option. #ubuntu #gnu #linux	May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866491066421092352	May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos https://t.co/0yM8VrjOvX	May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 04:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866491067675271168	May 22 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399	May 22 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vJwlfjVsMT (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 04:12
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399 \| Tux Machines		May 22 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866494706489843712	May 22 04:24
TweetTuxMachines	#TinkerOS #Android 13.11.0.4 Released	May 22 04:24
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zXWd7NeP1d (tuxmachines.org) #linux #asus	May 22 04:24
TweetTuxMachines	#debian #tinkerboard #hardware #freesw	May 22 04:24
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 04:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| TinkerOS Android 13.11.0.4 Released \| Tux Machines		May 22 04:24
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#TinkerOS #Android 13.11.0.4 Released https://t.co/zXWd7NeP1d #linux #asus #debian...'		May 22 04:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866498817763319810	May 22 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	#Development and #Programming: #Hugo , #Jekyll , #Dlang ,	May 22 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	and #Kotlin https://t.co/SuSgMDvUWq (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	#android #freesw	May 22 04:40
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| Development and Programming: Hugo, Jekyll, D, and Kotlin \| Tux Machines		May 22 04:40
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Development and #Programming: #Hugo , #Jekyll , #Dlang...'		May 22 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866499136983515136	May 22 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	TinkerOS Android 13.11.0.4 Released	May 22 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/yIDrBvmBGL (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/2EkiwBrwjr	May 22 04:41
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| TinkerOS Android 13.11.0.4 Released \| Tux Machines		May 22 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: TinkerOS Android 13.11.0.4 Released https://t.co/yIDrBvmBGL https://t.co/2EkiwBrwjr		May 22 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866499139189604352	May 22 04:50
TweetTuxMachines	Development and Programming: Hugo, Jekyll, D, and Kotlin	May 22 04:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/654mBc9aMz (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 04:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866501431020343296	May 22 04:50
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)	May 22 04:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @notjusttravel favourited 'The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)...'		May 22 04:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866501839583297537	May 22 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside	May 22 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv (tuxmachines.org) #freesw	May 22 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	#fuchsia #armadillo #google	May 22 04:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @developbender retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Development and #Programming: #Hugo , #Jekyll , #Dlang...'		May 22 04:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv...'		May 22 05:00
*TweetTuxMachines @webmastersguard favourited '#TinkerOS #Android 13.11.0.4 Released https://t.co/zXWd7NeP1d #linux #asus #debian...'		May 22 05:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup favourited 'Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv...'		May 22 05:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @coolappsdaily favourited 'Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv...'		May 22 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866506021337944064	May 22 05:09
TweetTuxMachines	#UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past	May 22 05:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TXV9cDMR9e (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #mate	May 22 05:09
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #review #freedw #darkduck	May 22 05:09
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past...'		May 22 05:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866507110254649344	May 22 05:12
TweetTuxMachines	Imagine an Android Phone Without Linux Inside	May 22 05:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/w0Y58q0nXG (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 05:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/30PEtNo7KN	May 22 05:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866507114356678656	May 22 05:48
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu MATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past	May 22 05:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jNS8CRibRR (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 05:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/nSHhKgZT6n	May 22 05:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866515962354323456	May 22 05:49
TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers: All Versions of #Windows	May 22 05:49
TweetTuxMachines	Compromised, #WannaCry Keeps Going	May 22 05:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sAH66hVj8r (tuxmachines.org) #microsoft	May 22 05:49
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: All Versions of #Windows Compromised, #WannaCry...'		May 22 06:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866519490854477827	May 22 06:02
TweetTuxMachines	@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of	May 22 06:02
TweetTuxMachines	money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwart	May 22 06:02
TweetTuxMachines	justice	May 22 06:02
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:02
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:02
*TweetTuxMachines @MakeamGrate retweeted @tuxmachines: '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:02
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866520005696921600	May 22 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	#CloudReady - #Chromebook re-experienced	May 22 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Xi22iwUmnX (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux	May 22 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	#gentoo #google #chromiumos #review	May 22 06:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @AmeliaReinhart favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#CloudReady - #Chromebook re-experienced https://t.co/Xi22iwUmnX #gnu #linux...'		May 22 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866520788022607872	May 22 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward	May 22 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@snowden when he leaked state abuses	May 22 06:07
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 06:07
cubexyz	willing?	May 22 06:12
cubexyz	methinks that's a typo	May 22 06:12
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 06:15
cubexyz	interesting bit about early computer displays...	May 22 06:15
cubexyz	the earliest ones were circular and they used electrostatic deflection to steer the electrons	May 22 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866522894154604545	May 22 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	Software: #Linfo, #EasyTag, #SimpleScan, #Albert, #VLC,	May 22 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	#RemoteDesktop, #Frogr, #BriskMenu, and #OpenShot	May 22 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kDJZlWjxWS (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:16
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cubexyz	there were hortizontal deflection electrodes and vertical ones	May 22 06:16
cubexyz	horizontal rather	May 22 06:17
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #Linfo, #EasyTag, #SimpleScan, #Albert, #VLC, #RemoteDesktop, #Frogr,...'		May 22 06:17
cubexyz	the tech was limited so the screen was circular (also the tubes were smaller)	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523410121187331	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	Security Leftovers: All Versions of Windows Compromised,	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	WannaCry Keeps Going https://t.co/26j1PV02xW	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:17
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MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/O1LYn	May 22 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's my cake day! World's Finest (Batman Adventures) - Album on Imgur		May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523418593705984	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	CloudReady - Chromebook re-experienced	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/JAtd0eqm9h (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NpqLWjE5qM	May 22 06:17
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cubexyz	later on the CRTs used electromagnetic deflection	May 22 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523421110185984	May 22 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	Software: Linfo, EasyTag, Simple Scan, Albert, VLC,	May 22 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	Remote Desktop, Frogr, Brisk Menu, and OpenShot	May 22 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YBbps34dFw (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @twsgy retweeted @tuxmachines: '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 06:20
*TweetTuxMachines @lightbkey favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 06:22
*TweetTuxMachines @LizRao4 favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 06:35
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wisdom	May 22 06:37
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*TweetTuxMachines @mawi2tu favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:38
*TweetTuxMachines @UTHornsRawk favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866528954986840064	May 22 06:40
TweetTuxMachines	More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E	May 22 06:40
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #howto #unix #gnu #linux #freesw	May 22 06:40
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E #howto #unix #gnu...'		May 22 06:45
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E #howto #unix #gnu...'		May 22 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531524165881857	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	#distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux #rosa #review	May 22 06:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531582324101120	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	More of today's howtos https://t.co/3503FBBPhH	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| More of today's howtos \| Tux Machines		May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531596047761408	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/LCuJM2M0l8	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/Jw1EuGGoXf	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 06:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux...'		May 22 06:52
MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAZmdkBU0AAV5Hr.jpg:large	May 22 06:58
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: '#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux...'		May 22 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866534913092182018	May 22 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	#Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS,	May 22 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL https://t.co/Um9ATxswhQ	May 22 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org)	May 22 07:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| Kernel Space: HMM, Cloud Native, Linux 4.12, TFS, Linux 4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL \| Tux Machines		May 22 07:03
*TweetTuxMachines @gbmrhino favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 07:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS, Linux...'		May 22 07:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866536974441627648	May 22 07:11
TweetTuxMachines	@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame	May 22 07:11
TweetTuxMachines	WikiLeaks for "hacking" and the recent events present	May 22 07:11
TweetTuxMachines	opportunity for this illusion	May 22 07:11
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:11
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:11
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:12
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866537391749644289	May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall	May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features	May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jDz5rgHKNU (tuxmachines.org) #security	May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw	May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:13
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*TweetTuxMachines @tinastullracing favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:15
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall Tackles...'		May 22 07:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866539384815759361	May 22 07:21
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel Space: HMM, Cloud Native, Linux 4.12, TFS, Linux	May 22 07:21
TweetTuxMachines	4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL https://t.co/6iL6cktB0h	May 22 07:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 07:21
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kernel Space: HMM, Cloud Native, Linux 4.12, TFS, Linux 4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL \| Tux Machines		May 22 07:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866539393355440128	May 22 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles	May 22 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	Bufferbloat, Adds New Features https://t.co/HAUSa7jx6e	May 22 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/VDuZSEDZ5U	May 22 07:27
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features \| Tux Machines		May 22 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features https://t.co/HAUSa7jx6e https://t.co/VDuZSEDZ5U		May 22 07:27
*TweetTuxMachines @RocketRaccoon76 favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866541687044059136	May 22 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental and	May 22 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	physical erosion) helps drive some people to depression,	May 22 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	suicide, lack of productivity (twitter.com)	May 22 07:30
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:30
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 07:30
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 07:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/lordbaco/status/866543549155864576	May 22 07:50
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside	May 22 07:50
TweetTuxMachines	@lordbaco https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv (tuxmachines.org) #freesw	May 22 07:50
TweetTuxMachines	#fuchsia #armadillo #google	May 22 07:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| Imagine an Android Phone Without Linux Inside \| Tux Machines		May 22 07:50
*TweetTuxMachines @Love_The_Donald favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	@alastair_hm https://twitter.com/alastair_hm/status/866547665751990272	May 22 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	The latest Latest Linux Daily Lowdown!	May 22 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Xj9rGRGnAp (paper.li) Thanks to @Rammy7219	May 22 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines @linuxsound #linux #kernel	May 22 07:54
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 https://twitter.com/FreeThree333/status/866547775751634944	May 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines @wikileaks It's what these sick bastards in	May 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	power are trying to do. #BoycottUK #FreeAssange	May 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	#SafePassage4Assange	May 22 07:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @Drtoszi favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 08:02
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 08:02
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall Tackles...'		May 22 08:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 08:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '#Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS, Linux...'		May 22 08:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux...'		May 22 08:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E #howto #unix #gnu...'		May 22 08:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @Good2bqueen67 favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/RYindiefilm/status/866550300643086336	May 22 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past	May 22 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	@RYindiefilm https://t.co/TXV9cDMR9e (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #mate	May 22 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #review #freedw #darkduck	May 22 08:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tradesonly/status/866558617561972736	May 22 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of	May 22 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tradesonly money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwart	May 22 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	justice	May 22 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@vee_liang Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C	May 22 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/aTLeWswGIu	May 22 09:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/cooluser51/status/866581517849563136	May 22 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of	May 22 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	@cooluser51 money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwart	May 22 10:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @cooluser51 favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 10:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@MaryCass95 https://twitter.com/MaryCass95/status/866593587798134784	May 22 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 @tuxmachines @wikileaks Agreed. Trying to	May 22 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	make an example of him so no others follow suit. That the	May 22 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	risk will be to high. Cant (twitter.com) boycott UK tho i	May 22 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	live here 😄😄🖒	May 22 11:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866596136227717120	May 22 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	How To Encrypt DNS Traffic In Linux Using DNSCrypt	May 22 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/gHhZds6SBw (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 11:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 https://twitter.com/JoyMarie007/status/866615275659067392	May 22 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @tuxmachines @wikileaks It's what these sick bastards in	May 22 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	@JoyMarie007 power are trying to do. #BoycottUK #FreeAssange	May 22 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	#SafePassage4Assange	May 22 12:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/sherilucia/status/866620850610556928	May 22 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of	May 22 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	@sherilucia money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwart	May 22 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	justice	May 22 13:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @maxwmi retweeted @tuxmachines: '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 13:00
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liberty_box	https://twitter.com/Kayihan1/status/866567357078142976	May 22 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Kayihan1: @Terianniaraq @schestowitz @wikileaks @JulianAssange theres a thing called government, and then theres a little thing called autocracy.		May 22 13:33
redsnapper4point	A position as an active legal counsel seems to contradict the impartiality that has to be expected from the President of any court, including the ILO AT.	May 22 13:35
redsnapper4point	I include the link to MCE Avocats. Kind regards, Red Snapper	May 22 13:36
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Cosmophile	Can you guys recommend a good android phone from a security standpoint, or alternatively, a hacker standpoint?	May 22 16:27
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*TweetTuxMachines @Osb18483782Mary favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 16:39
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 https://twitter.com/FreeThree333/status/866679875469328385	May 22 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	@MaryCass95 @tuxmachines @wikileaks I'd boycott my	May 22 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	country for Julian's freedom. :)	May 22 16:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866695417005613056	May 22 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/ynxNOcxomx	May 22 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 17:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866695772481306625	May 22 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69Ss	May 22 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #tizen #linux #samsung #india #tv #gnu	May 22 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw #korea	May 22 17:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69Ss #tizen #linux...'		May 22 17:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69Ss #tizen #linux...'		May 22 17:49
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@MaryCass95 @tuxmachines @wikileaks I'd boycott my country for...'		May 22 17:56
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sebsebseb	hi	May 22 17:56
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 22 17:56
sebsebseb	MinceR: ping	May 22 17:56
sebsebseb	schestowitz: ping	May 22 17:56
sebsebseb	cubexyz: ping	May 22 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866699283768135680	May 22 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	OSS Leftovers https://t.co/YKztdCextB (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw #sharing #reactos #sprint #tensorflow #riot	May 22 17:57
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razielle_tzu	yes sebsebseb?	May 22 17:57
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: :(	May 22 17:57
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: seems one of my phones has been binned, not by me	May 22 17:58
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razielle_tzu	oh dear	May 22 17:58
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah was on the chest of draws that got moved	May 22 17:58
sebsebseb	and was probably another bin bag or more in there too, that I didn't check !	May 22 17:59
razielle_tzu	this is why i don't let other people sort my stuff out	May 22 18:00
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I didn't !	May 22 18:00
sebsebseb	I didn't let her!	May 22 18:00
sebsebseb	I had no choice !	May 22 18:00
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: plus she took the oppertunity to mess around with stuff, when I am not in there !	May 22 18:01
razielle_tzu	:/	May 22 18:01
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: should have moved it off the chest of draws really, but didn't think lilke that at hte time, I knew she wanted to move it	May 22 18:02
razielle_tzu	was this in your room or somewhere else?	May 22 18:02
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: and its as s3 mini so its small	May 22 18:02
sebsebseb	yeah in my room	May 22 18:02
razielle_tzu	o.O	May 22 18:02
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: pm me	May 22 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866699450940407808	May 22 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by OSS Leftovers https://t.co/YKztdCextB (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz #freesw #sharing #reactos #sprint #tensorflow #riot	May 22 18:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866703724634296320	May 22 18:18
TweetTuxMachines	OSS Leftovers https://t.co/tEUHYTFSpn	May 22 18:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866704758320451584	May 22 18:18
TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers: #WCry / #Ransomwar, #WannaCry,	May 22 18:18
TweetTuxMachines	#Athena https://t.co/UZojmeXlGS (tuxmachines.org) #cia	May 22 18:18
TweetTuxMachines	#vault7 #microsoft #windows	May 22 18:18
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: #WCry / #Ransomwar, #WannaCry, #Athena https://t.co/UZojmeXlGS...'		May 22 18:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866711652011352064	May 22 18:51
TweetTuxMachines	Security Leftovers: WCry/Ransomwar, WannaCry, Athena	May 22 18:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @Alari_Wild favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866724113645056000	May 22 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	@WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's media	May 22 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	for Wall Street now openly endorses breaking intl' law.	May 22 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	What next? Suggest arming ISIS (twitter.com) (NYT did	May 22 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	it)?	May 22 19:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's media...'		May 22 19:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @seangdolan favourited '@WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's media...'		May 22 19:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @MikeWilliams012 favourited '@WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's media...'		May 22 19:37
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*TweetTuxMachines @serisga favourited '@WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's media...'		May 22 19:37
*TweetTuxMachines @ronaldsronix favourited '@WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's media...'		May 22 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	@ronaldsronix https://twitter.com/ronaldsronix/status/866724695600762880	May 22 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines @WSJ @sethlipsky CIA is arming isis...	May 22 19:38
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*TweetTuxMachines @nbp10000 favourited '@WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's media...'		May 22 19:38
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/wgmVGOI.jpg	May 22 20:00
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MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/pascal39s-other-wager	May 22 20:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @StaceyMaLaine favourited '@WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's media...'		May 22 20:37
*TweetTuxMachines @FarNorthWind favourited '@WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's media...'		May 22 20:40
*TweetTuxMachines @mrsestrada45 favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 21:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866746210811486208	May 22 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	#Gaming News: #SHOGUN, #Reus, #TwoWorlds and More	May 22 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sjFimDeBzV (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 21:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/866757354179702784	May 22 23:12
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #Android Leftovers https://t.co/B2LHySPNGt	May 22 23:12
TweetTuxMachines	@Pros_P33 (tuxmachines.org) #linux #google	May 22 23:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@PABHERE Bufferbloat, Adds New Features https://t.co/HAUSa7jx6e	May 22 23:18
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cubexyz	well, I can safely say why the unix v5 disk image didn't have any man pages	May 23 00:05
cubexyz	it's the rk05 disk size of 2.5 megs	May 23 00:06
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cubexyz	ok, all the v6 man pages are 1057 blocks	May 23 00:26
cubexyz	ok, so in the future I'll have a disk just for man pages	May 23 00:27
cubexyz	right now I'm using /usr/local for a lot of stuff	May 23 00:29
cubexyz	there's no way in the v5 era they could have fit all the source code and everything else on one rk05 drive	May 23 00:30
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TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall	May 23 00:59
TweetTuxMachines	@PABHERE Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features	May 23 00:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jDz5rgHKNU (tuxmachines.org) #security	May 23 00:59
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw	May 23 00:59
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oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RK05 got your size wrong. The non removable rk05 was 5megs	May 23 01:40
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oiaohm	cubexyz: even at 5 megs it kinda pushing it up hill.	May 23 01:41
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cubexyz	oiaohm, no	May 23 04:07
cubexyz	it's 14" IBM-2315 style with 2.5 megs of storage	May 23 04:07
cubexyz	that's what we used for Unix v5	May 23 04:08
cubexyz	there was a RK05F but the driver is for RK05	May 23 04:09
cubexyz	maybe I could compile the rf.c driver though	May 23 04:12
cubexyz	4872 blocks of 512 bytes to be exact	May 23 04:18
cubexyz	even DEC RP series drives could be used	May 23 04:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: the RK05F was the non removable a 5 megs. Some models that thing appear as 2 RK05 2.5 discs.	May 23 04:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: I know the RK05F well because I was using them in highschool.	May 23 04:27
cubexyz	DEC RP03 was an IBM 2314 clone	May 23 04:27
oiaohm	cubexyz: the IBM 2315 is single side media there were a few hacks to make it double sided.	May 23 04:29
cubexyz	I could have 40 megs with the RP03	May 23 04:29
cubexyz	but the original unix v5 disk image is an rk05 disk image, so I used that	May 23 04:30
cubexyz	all emulated of course	May 23 04:30
cubexyz	what was the RK05F connected to? Some unibus PDP-11 I assume?	May 23 04:32
oiaohm	cubexyz: IBM XT by the time I got there.	May 23 04:32
oiaohm	cubexyz: of course that was interface because the first system it had been hooked to was long gone.	May 23 04:33
oiaohm	cubexyz: I cannot remember the OS there was an OS that could not address the 5 meg disc and that is why the RK05F has a split mode.	May 23 04:34
cubexyz	hmmm, I didn't know there was a controller for that	May 23 04:34
oiaohm	cubexyz: its a data recovery controller.	May 23 04:34
cubexyz	there was an RK11 (for PDP-11 unibus) and an RK8E (for PDP-8)	May 23 04:36
oiaohm	cubexyz: Osprey ISA card takes all the RK05 drives include RK05F drives.	May 23 04:38
oiaohm	Of course finding one of those cards these days is hard work.	May 23 04:39
cubexyz	hmmm, there's an Osprey/PC as well	May 23 04:40
cubexyz	executes PDP-11 programs directly	May 23 04:41
cubexyz	way cheaper than trying to keep a real PDP-11	May 23 04:42
cubexyz	not as fun as a real PDP-11, but more practical	May 23 04:43
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cubexyz	of course an FPGA would be the more modern way to go	May 23 04:44
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.strobedata.com/home/ospreyguide.html they do a stack of cards include the all important Real I/O Adapters	May 23 04:44
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cubexyz	ah, they are using FPGA as well	May 23 04:45
cubexyz	too expensive I bet	May 23 04:46
oiaohm	RK05 is unibus card of theirs you need.	May 23 04:46
oiaohm	cubexyz: there is quite a lot you can hook up to a PC if you have the right cards.	May 23 04:48
cubexyz	no, I'm only using simh for everything :)	May 23 04:49
cubexyz	I don't own a real RK05 or a real PDP-11	May 23 04:49
oiaohm	Please note we had the unibus card so the XT was not running any PDP-11 it was running dos software to read PDP-11 formated discs.	May 23 04:50
oiaohm	And some other odd custom OS formated discs as well.	May 23 04:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically my brain worked for a min and I remembered the brand.	May 23 04:52
cubexyz	strobe data in redmond :-/	May 23 04:52
cubexyz	you know what that means	May 23 04:53
cubexyz	migration to windows only	May 23 04:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: there might be other brands. I just know what I used. The old ISA from them work with dos.	May 23 04:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: including freedos.	May 23 04:55
cubexyz	maybe, maybe	May 23 04:56
cubexyz	very appropriate that their logo is a bird of prey :-/	May 23 04:59
cubexyz	usually I just use simh and hercules for the classic computing stuff	May 23 04:59
cubexyz	simh does PDP-11, IBM 1130, vax, interdata	May 23 05:01
cubexyz	but if you had a real RK05 you'd need something like the osprey stuff to archive the data	May 23 05:01
cubexyz	not going to run my nice FOSS Unix v5 on windows, no way	May 23 05:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@BakerPaul_JoAnn https://twitter.com/BakerPaul_JoAnn/status/866923939074723845	May 23 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 @MaryCass95 @tuxmachines @wikileaks How?	May 23 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	Looking 4new ways. I already boycott everything I can in	May 23 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	this failed Hollywood States (twitter.com) of American	May 23 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	Propaganda, Master Global Terrorist.	May 23 10:01
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TweetTuxMachines	Security Leftovers: WannaCry, Windows in Linux, Windows	May 23 11:34
TweetTuxMachines	7, Windows 10 is Spyware https://t.co/jvCvGKiDCn	May 23 11:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866965503998164992	May 23 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers: #WannaCry, #Windows in #Linux,	May 23 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	#Windows7, #Windows10 is #Spyware	May 23 11:35
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liberty_box	https://twitter.com/rodinholland/status/866966874067808257	May 23 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rodinholland: Just do it anyway... https://t.co/nSSEACdaIY		May 23 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Fight ransomware by running Windows in Linux as a virtual machine https://t.co/sTKbTVOODe #gnu #linux #security		May 23 11:49
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/mektronik/status/866968096841515009	May 23 11:49
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liberty_box	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/866968883550408704	May 23 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Nice!!!		May 23 11:50
liberty_box	WIll upload a lot more later when I get to my 'proper' laptop (next month) and can upload to my site	May 23 11:50
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TweetTuxMachines	Server: Data Centres, #Google, #SDN, #Amazon, and	May 23 12:46
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AdmFubar	don't know if you've seen this yet	May 23 15:12
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MinceR	hypePhones are beyond repair anyway :>	May 23 19:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867094335891750912	May 23 20:15
TweetTuxMachines	Major changes when back home	May 23 20:15
TweetTuxMachines	1. Rianne will take over more @tuxmachines duty	May 23 20:15
TweetTuxMachines	2. I won't be keeping up as much with (1)	May 23 20:15
TweetTuxMachines	3. will mostly RT (1)	May 23 20:15
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sebsebseb	hi	May 23 20:21
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 23 20:21
razielle_tzu	'sup?	May 23 20:22
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yep binned phone it does indeed seem	May 23 20:23
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: however can get replacement device online. I know its old now, but that was my first smart phone !	May 23 20:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867105917258551296	May 23 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	#Linux Devices: #RaspberryPi, #PIC32, #LimeMicro	May 23 20:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sA1MwHbzRA (tuxmachines.org) #raspi #gnu	May 23 20:53
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MinceR	http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40012987	May 23 20:59
MinceR	so much for the "new" nokia	May 23 20:59
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 23 21:17
razielle_tzu	o7	May 23 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867106495476883456	May 23 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Devices: Raspberry Pi, PIC32, Lime Micro	May 23 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Ij9x2NiyKN (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 23 21:18
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah can buy a replacement online, I know its a old phone now, but was my first smart phone	May 23 21:18
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: also of course my data that wasn't backed up will still be lost	May 23 21:19
razielle_tzu	always back up or at least store the sd card you should keep everything on somewhere safe instead of in the phone if you're not using it	May 23 21:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867112552727171072	May 23 21:19
TweetTuxMachines	#Galicia continues promotion of free software	May 23 21:19
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/44344bQUdr (tuxmachines.org) #freesw #spain	May 23 21:19
TweetTuxMachines	#freedom #sharing #europe	May 23 21:19
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MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-chosen-one	May 23 21:20
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yes might be better to put phtoos etc on sim card, I thought on phone was ok, but then this...	May 23 21:20
sebsebseb	uj	May 23 21:20
sebsebseb	uh	May 23 21:21
razielle_tzu	the sim card is a different card to an sd card..	May 23 21:21
razielle_tzu	sims are barely even able to hold contacts now	May 23 21:21
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah sd card, is for data, sim for network	May 23 21:21
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: may be better to start doing sommething like that	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	takes this ubuntu meizu mx 4 for example	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	now I got a load of stuff on the phone, but	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	ubuntu touch is about to die	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	no more updates, nothing, security the lot	May 23 21:22
razielle_tzu	so i heard	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	a fork would need re flashing	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	so losing things on phone!	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	not sure how to back this up	May 23 21:22
razielle_tzu	transfer any actual data on it to another storage device using mtp or whatever	May 23 21:23
razielle_tzu	the software doesn't really matter	May 23 21:23
razielle_tzu	hell use s/ftp to do the transfer or dropbox or another internet based storage	May 23 21:24
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: not sured how to transfer texts from it	May 23 21:24
razielle_tzu	depends on how they're stored	May 23 21:24
MinceR	TENSO >> http://imgur.com/gallery/Of0YK	May 23 21:25
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razielle_tzu	sometimes there's a folder in / that stores them you can export	May 23 21:25
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah in the writeable space some wehre	May 23 21:25
sebsebseb	sojme how	May 23 21:25
razielle_tzu	but i don't know the touch filesystem	May 23 21:25
razielle_tzu	so i can't give you a location to look for	May 23 21:25
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: also meant to replace this phone really in a way soon since that	May 23 21:25
sebsebseb	I don't think a fork will be ready enough in time ubports	May 23 21:25
sebsebseb	ready enough as in useable enough etc as well	May 23 21:25
razielle_tzu	the only fork i'm aware of still needs alpha testing	May 23 21:26
sebsebseb	yeah ubports ?	May 23 21:26
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: also since its the mx 4, and its the same plan as if Canonical had continued it seems or baically	May 23 21:26
razielle_tzu	i can't remember the name of it	May 23 21:26
sebsebseb	will only get seucrity updates	May 23 21:26
sebsebseb	no new features	May 23 21:26
sebsebseb	since older phone	May 23 21:27
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: really Salifish OS can do most stuff	May 23 21:27
sebsebseb	even run android apps	May 23 21:27
sebsebseb	but going from this to the jolla as my main phone, wouldl be a hardware down grade	May 23 21:27
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: a sony xperia should be cojming out with it at like end of june	May 23 21:28
razielle_tzu	despite the mediocre specs i'm actually quite happy with my samsung j3	May 23 21:28
sebsebseb	and there's a salifish os aquafish that can get on ebay from india even	May 23 21:28
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah j3 is a older one as well I think? what year ?	May 23 21:28
MinceR	yeah, systemd and proprietary gui	May 23 21:28
MinceR	no thanks	May 23 21:28
sebsebseb	the s3 mini was good enough as a phone really, probably more than really	May 23 21:28
sebsebseb	but then went down the android altenriavets route	May 23 21:28
razielle_tzu	the j3 isn't that old, i think it was last year	May 23 21:29
sebsebseb	also I wanted a nexus 7 really	May 23 21:29
sebsebseb	MinceR: only Linux altenraigve player left	May 23 21:29
sebsebseb	really	May 23 21:29
sebsebseb	MinceR: unless you in clude tizen	May 23 21:29
sebsebseb	and this isn't incudling any forks, so the cyanmmod fork is out, but thats just android with some changes anyway really	May 23 21:29
MinceR	tizen is cancerd as well	May 23 21:30
MinceR	everything is going to shit	May 23 21:30
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well she's got extra money, once can confirm better that its really been binned or whatever, she would buy me a replacement one or whatever I guess	May 23 21:30
sebsebseb	but data still gone! as I put bove	May 23 21:31
sebsebseb	above	May 23 21:31
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: as for a sd card its not ideal either, small things	May 23 21:31
sebsebseb	can get lost as a result	May 23 21:31
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: maybe the cloud isn't so stupid after all, depending on the service, afer all, for certain stuff	May 23 21:32
razielle_tzu	i keep mine in a case in one spot of my desk and everything on them is on usb drives, my main pc and at least one cloud storage option	May 23 21:32
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I think some of my usb sticks with data on them, may have diappared too, since how she used desk as a dumping ground of things from chest of draws etc uh	May 23 21:32
sebsebseb	so again usb sticks arne't ideal either	May 23 21:32
razielle_tzu	my two important usb drives are in one of my bags	May 23 21:33
razielle_tzu	you could keep them on a keychain in your pocket	May 23 21:33
sebsebseb	did put something or the other on usb sticks like two months ago, since re did la p top, and fat32 uh	May 23 21:33
razielle_tzu	there's loads of options for keeping stuff safe	May 23 21:33
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: oh not with her in the room	May 23 21:34
sebsebseb	well is and isn't	May 23 21:34
sebsebseb	shoud have been ok enough out but nnope	May 23 21:34
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: hopeflly that's the last tiime like that, on her own uh	May 23 21:34
razielle_tzu	like i suggested last night get a lock on the door?	May 23 21:34
razielle_tzu	if you have a pc store usb drives and stuff in the case?	May 23 21:34
razielle_tzu	a loose floorboard?	May 23 21:35
sebsebseb	I knew she wanted to move chest of draws, but didn't think like oh, oh yeah that phone is on there, should move, plus started messing around in there earier than thought would	May 23 21:35
razielle_tzu	seriously, think like a kid trying to hide smokes or something	May 23 21:35
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah, but shoudb't need too	May 23 21:35
sebsebseb	but yes I know what you mean	May 23 21:35
razielle_tzu	i know but it sounds like she has no sense of personal space so you're going to have to	May 23 21:35
sebsebseb	went in other thing to, all over uh lots of places	May 23 21:35
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I think it knocked off chest of draws into a bin bag	May 23 21:36
sebsebseb	and she didn't check that bin bag so	May 23 21:36
sebsebseb	gone	May 23 21:36
razielle_tzu	the only reason my pc case isn't used for storing things is because i can't actually easily open it up to do so	May 23 21:36
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: had been other times, and after its like, where is this and that, and usal.ly things turn up, but this time uhmm ah	May 23 21:37
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: she says to me at times that I don't see things right in front of my nose, well she obviously didn't or whatever last week then !	May 23 21:37
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: a s3 mini still like 100 pounds more thanm, I suppouse it was a flag ship or pretty much so	May 23 21:39
razielle_tzu	yeah	May 23 21:40
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: makes me think higher of it now in a way, but its gone now too so uhmm	May 23 21:41
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: i could do with android or salifsh os maybe if can get apps working ok	May 23 21:41
razielle_tzu	i had to swap the mainboard in mine, as well as the screen/digitizer so i need to root and flash a custom rom back on to it but idon't think i'll bother unless i need to actually use it again	May 23 21:42
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: you broke yours?	May 23 21:42
sebsebseb	and what rom ?	May 23 21:43
razielle_tzu	dropped it and cracked the screen... couldn't be bothered to mess with heating hte glue to just replace the glass and then it got dropped in water by someone who was borrowing it so i had to rebuild it again	May 23 21:43
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: got a cheap aldi android phone to, that got last year, that not powered on yet actsaully since....	May 23 21:43
razielle_tzu	i think n.light or something like that was the last rom i had on that	May 23 21:43
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well my s3 mini survived washing machine like three months or so after getting	May 23 21:45
sebsebseb	yeah a wash cycle for like over an hour	May 23 21:45
sebsebseb	opended up and there it was on looking at me	May 23 21:45
razielle_tzu	the water caused a short that fried the mainboard, it got stuck in a bootloop and restoring it didn't help	May 23 21:45
sebsebseb	some green lines down it for a while, but dropping agian made it go ok	May 23 21:45
sebsebseb	a few months or so later	May 23 21:45
sebsebseb	plus icone were a bit uh	May 23 21:46
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: so yeah it survices washing machine, but then it doens't survive my Mum last week uh ?	May 23 21:46
razielle_tzu	she's reset it, swapped the sim and is using it herself when she's out of the house	May 23 21:46
razielle_tzu	:P	May 23 21:47
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: nope way to non techei for that	May 23 21:47
sebsebseb	I know you meant as a joke	May 23 21:47
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: by the way with my ubuntu tablet, the guy says cant just get the sreen etc	May 23 21:48
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: so could buy a replacement device and take the bits out that are needed	May 23 21:48
razielle_tzu	pretty much but if you do that you may as well use the new one	May 23 21:48
sebsebseb	or I just use the replacement device hmm, but means mine is yep in bits	May 23 21:48
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well it would be second hand	May 23 21:48
*razielle_tzu shrugs		May 23 21:49
razielle_tzu	just like most of my current tech	May 23 21:49
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I suppouse could use replacement yeah	May 23 21:49
sebsebseb	its clean anyway or to the extent of a factory reset	May 23 21:50
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: but you don't know quite the quality of a second hand device	May 23 21:50
sebsebseb	mine not quite iether, just that its been dropped here and there	May 23 21:50
razielle_tzu	if it's a refurb or just purchased from the last user i don't expect it to be pristine and i always do as much as i can to clean it anyway just in case	May 23 21:51
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah so what's better, just use some replaement device, or have him take out the needed parts that I need ?	May 23 21:51
razielle_tzu	depends on if the storage and stuff get swapped too... i have no idea how integrated the hardware is for that tablet... personally i'd go with using the replacement	May 23 21:52
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well he said, the digitiizer and lcd are dconnected toghere	May 23 21:52
sebsebseb	three parts even	May 23 21:52
razielle_tzu	just use the replacement... you do remember how to make sure a tablet is actually clean right?	May 23 21:53
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: clean as in in what context ?	May 23 21:53
razielle_tzu	no remnants of another users data rather than physically	May 23 21:54
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I don't know, I just factory reset my one before giving it to him, I know that may not be perfect	May 23 21:54
razielle_tzu	i do advanced wipes so i can make sure the dalvik cache is done too (might not be applicable to touch, i have no idea) and then use an app (i forget the name) to do the rest when it's booted and connected to a network	May 23 21:55
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I feel tehre may be some traces of some of my data some wehre, on ubuntu tablet	May 23 21:56
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: but yes if he glues up etc it may not be done so well	May 23 21:57
sebsebseb	I remember the ipad	May 23 21:57
sebsebseb	so in that case using the replacement could be better	May 23 21:58
razielle_tzu	i know there is of mine... partially intentionally as a challenge to someone that claimed to be able to find me anywhere online a few years ago	May 23 21:58
sebsebseb	oh ?	May 23 21:58
razielle_tzu	when i was in poland i was doing a few things for fun and profit and someone overheard and claimed to be able to link my name to an old account that did other things... i left a few traces of things for him to follow to actually do it... i'm still waiting for him to email the address at the end of the trail	May 23 21:59
razielle_tzu	at the same time i took control of six of his accounts and locked him out from most of his tools	May 23 22:00
sebsebseb	right ok	May 23 22:01
sebsebseb	and you also took dwon the NHS the other week using NSA ransomware	May 23 22:01
razielle_tzu	nah, not my style	May 23 22:02
razielle_tzu	i do fun things or get revenge	May 23 22:02
razielle_tzu	also i'd be charging more than that to decrypt	May 23 22:02
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ubuntu touch has like read only space for the os, and read writable space for data etc or something like that	May 23 22:02
razielle_tzu	so like most mobile devices then?	May 23 22:02
sebsebseb	so factoty re setting	May 23 22:03
sebsebseb	should have got rid of the read writable stuff	May 23 22:03
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: sure its android hardware otherwise	May 23 22:03
razielle_tzu	that reminds me... i need to do a restore and copy the stock rom so if i root and flash a custom rom i have a clean back up	May 23 22:04
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: factory re set on own, may have left some traces I guess, but thats about all that can do with touch anyway I think	May 23 22:05
razielle_tzu	ooo and it's almost time for me to check my gaming system for infections too... doubt i have any still but it's always fun	May 23 22:05
sebsebseb	in fections ?	May 23 22:05
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: but yeah if he takes apart and glues up tablet, may not do such a good job	May 23 22:06
razielle_tzu	yeah, my gaming system is pretty much undefended so it could have picked something up. aside from games there's just a linux vm on it and music on an external hdd	May 23 22:06
sebsebseb	gaming system is windows ?	May 23 22:07
razielle_tzu	yup	May 23 22:07
sebsebseb	7 ?	May 23 22:07
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razielle_tzu	8.1	May 23 22:07
sebsebseb	8.1 oh	May 23 22:07
sebsebseb	this lap top was 8.1 but upgraded back to 10 other week	May 23 22:07
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: rang hp, then to microsoft, no wasn't going to let them remote connect me !	May 23 22:07
razielle_tzu	i won't use 10 until support for 8 is dropped	May 23 22:08
sebsebseb	re installed from that hp usb	May 23 22:08
sebsebseb	since in the hardware databse upgraindg to 10 should have been ok, b ut then it was like how etc	May 23 22:08
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: hp guy gave me a microsoft number	May 23 22:08
razielle_tzu	i now my machine CAN run 10 but until i get some more ram and support for 8 is dropped it's not happeninng	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: so indian woman, went through the software a bit	May 23 22:09
razielle_tzu	*know	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	they offer to remote connect, but not having that	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	real ms or not !	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	MinceR would let real Microsoft in	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	of course they might hae a back door or something anyway, but yeah	May 23 22:09
razielle_tzu	if someone offers that i say the network stack is part of the problem, it's not connecting	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: they sounded liike those indidian scam calls	May 23 22:10
sebsebseb	but this was the real ms	May 23 22:10
razielle_tzu	so?	May 23 22:10
sebsebseb	real Micsofot indidian tech support	May 23 22:10
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I don't want ms in my compuer at all :)	May 23 22:10
sebsebseb	but yeah someitmes have reason to use that sucky os	May 23 22:11
sebsebseb	uh driving thorey, wich uhmm right	May 23 22:11
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yep Linux distros are better	May 23 22:11
sebsebseb	shame about the lack of certain prorgrams here and there though	May 23 22:11
sebsebseb	games can go under that if you want	May 23 22:11
razielle_tzu	with the right config most things can get around it	May 23 22:12
MinceR	sebsebseb: what	May 23 22:12
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah wine	May 23 22:12
sebsebseb	but wine and such, can be tricky to get working right	May 23 22:12
razielle_tzu	that's one way	May 23 22:12
razielle_tzu	a vm is another	May 23 22:12
sebsebseb	MinceR: you would let the real or fake Microsoft remote connect your computer	May 23 22:12
MinceR	i don't see why	May 23 22:12
sebsebseb	MinceR: for tech support	May 23 22:12
sebsebseb	you would let apple in too	May 23 22:12
MinceR	what are you talking about?	May 23 22:13
MinceR	they don't even know anything necessary to support my tech :>	May 23 22:13
razielle_tzu	if they can't explain it for me to do it myself (should i ever need to contact them, which is unlikely) they don't deserve to be remotely connected to follow a step-by-step sat on their desk or on a screen	May 23 22:13
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well driving thoerey discs later ones have drm, so need windows	May 23 22:13
sebsebseb	or last time I Tried wine	May 23 22:13
sebsebseb	for something like that, got a evevn newer one now	May 23 22:13
razielle_tzu	so use a vm and pass the drive through directly	May 23 22:14
sebsebseb	pass drive diredctly ? what you mean, and when its on a multi boot ?	May 23 22:14
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I would have to have a windows 10 or something in the vmm	May 23 22:14
sebsebseb	that works iwth the disc etc	May 23 22:14
razielle_tzu	using virtualbox you can have the vm read the host drive as though it was connected directly to the vm, i think other vm programs do the same thing	May 23 22:15
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: tye y9st	May 23 22:15
sebsebseb	the host drive	May 23 22:16
sebsebseb	the one that is runnign the linux distro ?	May 23 22:16
razielle_tzu	the optical drive connected to the host	May 23 22:16
sebsebseb	with both oses on the same disc	May 23 22:16
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: sounds like still need a sepeate drive	May 23 22:17
razielle_tzu	nope	May 23 22:17
sebsebseb	if it could just work with the partion, that could work	May 23 22:17
razielle_tzu	no multiboot either	May 23 22:17
sebsebseb	10 is on pshcailly as is linux but same disk	May 23 22:17
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razielle_tzu	i'm talking about a linux host, controlling a vm running windows that is reading the linux machines optical drive	May 23 22:18
razielle_tzu	no multiboot, seperate partitions or any of that crap	May 23 22:18
razielle_tzu	just literally passing the optical drive directly to the vm	May 23 22:18
sebsebseb	ok how ?	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	so your sayng ubuntu is running right now	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	i can get into the 10 install	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	that's on the same disk	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	using virtual box ?	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	from ubuntu ?	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	the pshyiall instlal running now	May 23 22:20
razielle_tzu	no i'm talking about installing 10 on a vm and then telling the vm that the host's optical drive is where the vm should look for optical media bypassing the host reading it	May 23 22:21
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah can II download one from ms that would work in vbox	May 23 22:21
sebsebseb	or something	May 23 22:21
sebsebseb	plus they had another update after anisviery edidiont	May 23 22:21
razielle_tzu	i have one that would work but i didn't get it from m$	May 23 22:21
razielle_tzu	and it's only 2 months out of date as far as updates are concerned	May 23 22:22
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: somewhere got a genuine xp disc still ( unless she chucked out some whow, probably not )	May 23 22:22
sebsebseb	those dics could work with that to	May 23 22:22
sebsebseb	YAY piin ball	May 23 22:22
razielle_tzu	that would have to be air gapped	May 23 22:22
razielle_tzu	no wifi, no lan, no bluetooth	May 23 22:22
razielle_tzu	oh and an old usb protection circuit	May 23 22:23
razielle_tzu	same with any version of 7 that isn't part of the extended support scheme	May 23 22:24
sebsebseb	yes true I emeant for offline use though	May 23 22:25
sebsebseb	and yay pin ball :d	May 23 22:25
razielle_tzu	i prefer minesweeper or chess	May 23 22:25
sebsebseb	and paint even before it got all fancy iit seems in this new windows 10 update	May 23 22:25
sebsebseb	free cell :)	May 23 22:25
razielle_tzu	i haven't touched paint since win98	May 23 22:25
sebsebseb	oh yeah windows 3.1 emulater stuff on archeive .org now I remember, can play the classic soliatere	May 23 22:26
sebsebseb	and do more	May 23 22:26
razielle_tzu	if i want to play card games i'll get a physical deck out	May 23 22:26
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: a pshyicall deck is ok too	May 23 22:31
sebsebseb	but virtual is good	May 23 22:31
razielle_tzu	for card games, unless i'm playing CAH with peeps from everywhere, i prefer having them in my hand	May 23 22:31
sebsebseb	whats CAH ?	May 23 22:32
razielle_tzu	cards against humanity	May 23 22:32
sebsebseb	oh not sure of that one	May 23 22:32
razielle_tzu	heh, look it up	May 23 22:32
sebsebseb	oh yeah schestowitz is from Manchester well Germany to	May 23 22:38
sebsebseb	not taked about this one here yet but	May 23 22:38
sebsebseb	yes	May 23 22:38
sebsebseb	schestowitz: razielle_tzu what you think to the news /?	May 23 22:39
razielle_tzu	it's devastating but at the same time i don't know anyone personally that lives out there	May 23 22:39
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah only schestowitz but we only know him in cyber space really :d	May 23 22:41
razielle_tzu	i was glad to hear some of the things in the aftermath though, like all the homeless peeps jumping in to help get people out and stuff	May 23 22:44
sebsebseb	hea	May 23 22:45
sebsebseb	yeah well kids like one said on itv news homeless guy	May 23 22:45
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razielle_tzu	i heard there was more than one that jumped in to help	May 23 22:45
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cubexyz	just can't stand tiny screens and tiny keyboards	May 24 00:35
cubexyz	got to have a full sized keyboard and screen	May 24 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines	#Tizen News: New Software, Smart TVs, Gear #S3	May 24 02:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NwZTkqCrXa (tuxmachines.org) #linux	May 24 02:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867186181296988161	May 24 02:12
TweetTuxMachines	The History of #Ubuntu #Linux , #Canonical 's Open Source	May 24 02:12
TweetTuxMachines	OS https://t.co/eZLGemF6AC (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #debian	May 24 02:12
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TweetTuxMachines	The History of Ubuntu Linux, Canonical's Open Source OS	May 24 02:47
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TweetTuxMachines	#RedHat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, Automation	May 24 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	Tools https://t.co/6YBv0TG2Hr (tuxmachines.org) #security	May 24 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	#rhel #gnu #linux	May 24 04:53
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TweetTuxMachines	Red Hat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, Automation	May 24 05:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/867230515597905920	May 24 05:40
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cubexyz	ok, I did some experimenting with the rk driver	May 24 06:11
cubexyz	/etc/mkfs /dev/rk l;s	May 24 06:11
cubexyz	seems 4971 blocks is the limit	May 24 06:15
cubexyz	that appears to be the limit of the rk driver	May 24 06:16
cubexyz	ok, so tonight I move all the man pages to /usr/man	May 24 06:23
cubexyz	that line with mkfs is garbled	May 24 06:33
cubexyz	/etc/mkfs /dev/rk3 4971	May 24 06:33
cubexyz	there's a #define NRKBLK 4872	May 24 06:37
cubexyz	not sure why I can squeeze 99 blocks more out of it	May 24 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867255479092883456	May 24 06:48
TweetTuxMachines	#LinuxFoundation and #LinuxKernel https://t.co/BZNXiNt27q	May 24 06:48
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TweetTuxMachines	4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy and	May 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	#Security https://t.co/xLMGMbiaSP (tuxmachines.org)	May 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	#surveillance #anonymity #tails #tor	May 24 06:55
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cubexyz	the unix v7 install has a simulated 150 meg drive	May 24 06:57
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy...'		May 24 07:00
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cubexyz	the rf driver looks very limiting	May 24 07:02
cubexyz	"each disk contains 1024 256-word blocks"	May 24 07:02
cubexyz	back in the day they divided the rp drives into 2 parts	May 24 07:05
cubexyz	"a full rp drive is 81200 blocks"	May 24 07:05
cubexyz	but...	May 24 07:05
cubexyz	the system can only address up to 65536 blocks	May 24 07:05
cubexyz	the 16-bit limit	May 24 07:06
cubexyz	ah, in v5 era this is the limit... after that probably not	May 24 07:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867260890080358400	May 24 07:08
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TweetTuxMachines	4 Great Linux Distros Designed for Privacy and Security	May 24 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wxqqghkxMF (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pjA4qEvfnb	May 24 07:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867260905360244736	May 24 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	Security Leftovers: HackerOne, Let's Encrypt, and Shadow	May 24 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	Brokers https://t.co/bbBd6NTkFE (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 07:08
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cubexyz	so I'll follow the directives of the unix v5 manual... that means /dev/rp0 will be 40600 blocks	May 24 07:09
cubexyz	tons of space!	May 24 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867261061849731072	May 24 07:10
TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers: #HackerOne, #LetsEncrypt, and	May 24 07:10
TweetTuxMachines	#ShadowBrokers https://t.co/jA0b6WQqjt (tuxmachines.org)	May 24 07:10
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cubexyz	document of this era likes to talk about 256 words	May 24 07:11
cubexyz	that's 512 bytes	May 24 07:12
cubexyz	and block 0 of a disk is "unused"	May 24 07:12
cubexyz	but it could contain stuff like a bootstrap program or label or some other info	May 24 07:13
cubexyz	ok... the 99 block thing is explained	May 24 07:15
cubexyz	there should be 99 blocks reserved for the free list which is used by check	May 24 07:16
cubexyz	so probably it's bad juju using 4971 blocks like I did	May 24 07:16
cubexyz	so it's back to using 4872 blocks then	May 24 07:18
cubexyz	each era of unix had it's own filesystem checking program	May 24 07:20
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: #HackerOne, #LetsEncrypt, and #ShadowBrokers https://t.co/jA0b6WQqjt'		May 24 07:24
*TweetTuxMachines @amuseum favourited '4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy...'		May 24 07:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867271420069298177	May 24 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	Software: #NetworkManager, #Kodi, #Cumulus Weather App,	May 24 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	#Streamlink, #Calibre https://t.co/mEMfkR6OzL	May 24 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #freesw #gnu #linux	May 24 07:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #NetworkManager, #Kodi, #Cumulus Weather App, #Streamlink, #Calibre...'		May 24 07:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #NetworkManager, #Kodi, #Cumulus Weather App, #Streamlink, #Calibre...'		May 24 08:07
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TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Leftovers: #Security, #Unity, Internet, and	May 24 08:08
TweetTuxMachines	Derivatives https://t.co/dZuhX3IpJ9 (tuxmachines.org)	May 24 08:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867277501764063233	May 24 08:14
TweetTuxMachines	Software: NetworkManager, Kodi, Cumulus Weather App,	May 24 08:14
TweetTuxMachines	Streamlink, Calibre https://t.co/BtUCBM9sEe	May 24 08:14
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TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Leftovers: Security, Unity, Internet, and	May 24 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	Derivatives https://t.co/1aTLw0bPYK (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	LibreOffice News https://t.co/7oTWtIQ5WI	May 24 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	Debian and Derivatives https://t.co/vkWx8i4Mma	May 24 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	Fedora and Red Hat https://t.co/jndopSAFEq	May 24 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	GNOME News: Black Lab Drops GNOME and Further GNOME	May 24 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	Experiments in Meson https://t.co/c6rh36o6zl	May 24 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	today's leftovers https://t.co/2rtY89gOMI	May 24 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294536002748416	May 24 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	Links 24/5/2017: New #RHEL Beta, #SteamOS Updated	May 24 09:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867351881152057344	May 24 13:11
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TweetTuxMachines	#RedHat News: #Flatpak, #CloudLinux, Red Hat Enterprise	May 24 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	Linux (#RHEL) 7.4 https://t.co/6Xt0UTSqit	May 24 20:16
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TweetTuxMachines	Red Hat News: Flatpak, CloudLinux, Red Hat Enterprise	May 24 20:34
TweetTuxMachines	Linux (RHEL) 7.4 https://t.co/9mYJ0TXyAu	May 24 20:34
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 24 22:12
razielle_tzu	hi sebsebseb	May 24 22:13
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ok turned up found it	May 24 22:13
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: in a place should have looked really too	May 24 22:13
razielle_tzu	fair	May 24 22:14
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: Ubuntu ambience theme you want to try that aws just reading	May 24 22:16
razielle_tzu	no i don't	May 24 22:17
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: Manchester news again of course	May 24 22:18
razielle_tzu	manchester is going to be in the news for a while	May 24 22:19
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah watching bbc one	May 24 22:20
sebsebseb	with my Mum	May 24 22:20
razielle_tzu	our tv hasn't been on in a couple of months now	May 24 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867487928619999232	May 24 22:29
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TweetTuxMachines	The Licensing and Compliance Lab interviews AJ Jordon of	May 24 23:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz #gplenforced https://t.co/W056gMQ1VN (tuxmachines.org)	May 25 00:07
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cubexyz	ugh, a bit tedious moving everything over to a new drive	May 25 02:53
razielle_tzu	it always is	May 25 02:53
cubexyz	on v5 it's extra tedious	May 25 02:53
cubexyz	still not sure if I could have had those 99 extra blocks	May 25 02:54
cubexyz	but I'm playing it safe	May 25 02:54
razielle_tzu	fair	May 25 02:54
cubexyz	plus I have to type in the missing man pages manually	May 25 02:55
cubexyz	it's maybe 25% done	May 25 02:55
razielle_tzu	ouch	May 25 02:55
cubexyz	yeah progress has been disappointing slow	May 25 03:02
cubexyz	I started 6 years ago :-/	May 25 03:02
razielle_tzu	:/	May 25 03:02
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cubexyz	what people may not know is that by 1974 unix had already reached a high level of sophisication	May 25 03:34
cubexyz	far beyond anything we had on home computers	May 25 03:34
cubexyz	maybe not graphics wise or storage wise	May 25 03:35
cubexyz	compare it to amigados 1.3 for example	May 25 03:35
cubexyz	you had to buy a compiler, and I think you had to buy an assembler too	May 25 03:38
cubexyz	can't remember any free compiler, although there probably was one	May 25 03:38
cubexyz	the original v5 manual was preserved, it's 306 pages	May 25 03:42
cubexyz	chunks of the original v5 userland are still missing	May 25 03:44
cubexyz	I've resurrected a big chunk of that... that took a long time	May 25 03:45
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cubexyz	amazing to think Roosevelt imposed a top tax rate of 94%	May 25 05:37
cubexyz	in Eisenhower's time: 91%	May 25 05:38
cubexyz	I wonder what the top tax rate under Trump will be	May 25 05:39
cubexyz	looks like it's 39.6% now	May 25 05:40
cubexyz	you'd have to earn $400K+ to get that rate	May 25 05:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@linuxusergroup (tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google	May 25 05:48
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amarsh04	well, I've met the late Dennis Ritchie and John Lions, that's about my only brushes with Unix history	May 25 15:41
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gde33	ދިވެހިރާއްޖޭގެ ޖުމްހޫރިއްޔާ	May 25 17:24
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liberty_box	https://twitter.com/johnonolenin/status/867854009255645185	May 25 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnonolenin: @schestowitz @JulianAssange https://t.co/F1ezy4xJ61		May 25 22:26
liberty_box	He won't. He just hired him...	May 25 22:26
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/867854334263832576	May 25 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wendycockcroft: @schestowitz .@DavidAFrench oh Daaaaviiiid! This is the kind of thing I'm trying to bring to your attention: vengea… https://t.co/YX5ClzXWXK		May 25 22:27
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:27
liberty_box	.@DavidAFrench oh Daaaaviiiid! This is the kind of thing I'm trying to bring to your attention: vengeance V the rule of law. Your take?	May 25 22:27
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:27
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/sda729/status/867855408035188737	May 25 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sda729: @schestowitz Is everyone outraged because Duterte is not buying his munitions from US?		May 25 22:33
liberty_box	No, there has been a lot more to it than that	May 25 22:33
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867855793424441344	May 25 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange I've heard our system will always end up two party system. Game theory. I should look i… https://t.co/e4UCKeGJFL		May 25 22:33
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:33
liberty_box	I've heard our system will always end up two party system. Game theory. I should look it up. Anyways, I don't like any of the other parties.	May 25 22:33
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:33
liberty_box	But look at France: 4-way split (first round)	May 25 22:34
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/RonaldVermeij/status/867856896312705024	May 25 22:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RonaldVermeij: @schestowitz Time to turn [...\|off] the Tell-a-#Lie-vision (#TV ) apparatus for good, re-connect face-to-face again… https://t.co/e1IqTKntHZ		May 25 22:37
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:37
liberty_box	Time to turn [...\|off] the Tell-a-#Lie-vision (#TV ) apparatus for good, re-connect face-to-face again and get on with our real-lives.	May 25 22:37
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:37
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/Carlospuntocom/status/867857494948839424	May 25 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Carlospuntocom: https://t.co/fQpELybINt https://t.co/g9WtkoWQgv		May 25 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Carlospuntocom: https://t.co/RqAnNjLq6J https://t.co/jeCaQeAU9K		May 25 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #google is bring #drm to living room, having lobbied to bring it to the WWW too https://t.co/TrRvo7VdX3		May 25 22:40
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/nyxpooka/status/867857627849555969	May 25 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyxpooka: @schestowitz https://t.co/AQQDtTNMPv thought you might want to see this.		May 25 22:40
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/nyxpooka/status/867857712318750721	May 25 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyxpooka: @SandraEckersley @gerge42 @schestowitz @ingeniarius08 @wikileaks ?		May 25 22:40
liberty_box	You're wasting your time replying to her, but I too am guilty of that	May 25 22:40
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867857790546694146	May 25 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange Different system of elections. But to change that we need to change the constitution. P… https://t.co/ZjE3bDTpC3		May 25 22:41
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:41
liberty_box	Different system of elections. But to change that we need to change the constitution. Personally, I don't believe democracy is good anymore.	May 25 22:41
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:41
liberty_box	Rather, believe that what you have is no longer democracy and hence democracy itself isn't the issue	May 25 22:41
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867858077151875072	May 25 22:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange Unless we somehow fix it so they deal with long term problems and have to be loyal to c… https://t.co/CFVd68scRK		May 25 22:42
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:42
liberty_box	Unless we somehow fix it so they deal with long term problems and have to be loyal to citizens, not import new ones who vote how they want.	May 25 22:42
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:42
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/johnonolenin/status/867858445667414017	May 25 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnonolenin: @schestowitz @JulianAssange I know, just my opinion		May 25 22:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867864032010682368	May 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	#Android Leftovers https://t.co/ljL3mNyATf	May 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #linux #google #aosp	May 25 23:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867864132715921408	May 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Devices https://t.co/Bx7XlkNJCe (tuxmachines.org)	May 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #raspi #hardware	May 25 23:05
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers https://t.co/ljL3mNyATf #linux #google #aosp'		May 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867864304942333952	May 25 23:56
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Linux Devices https://t.co/Bx7XlkNJCe (tuxmachines.org)	May 25 23:56
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz #gnu #linux #raspi #hardware	May 25 23:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867876972730253312	May 25 23:57
TweetTuxMachines	#Gaming News https://t.co/fUd0Ynx2nB (tuxmachines.org)	May 25 23:57
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #games	May 25 23:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867877227886555136	May 26 00:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #Gaming News https://t.co/fUd0Ynx2nB (tuxmachines.org)	May 26 00:37
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz #gnu #linux #games	May 26 00:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867889478022475776	May 26 00:46
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos https://t.co/aTrFlinoOe (tuxmachines.org)	May 26 00:46
TweetTuxMachines	#howto #gnu #linux #unix	May 26 00:46
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/aTrFlinoOe #howto #gnu #linux #unix'		May 26 00:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@linuxusergroup https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/867891415681908738	May 26 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	@xychelsea Gonna keep this positive.. do give	May 26 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	@Steam_games a go! So good 2 exercise @FSF-minded	May 26 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	platforms on cutting edge. @SteamLUG @tuxmachines	May 26 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	(twitter.com) 🕊️💚🐧!	May 26 01:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867893072679456768	May 26 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	#LinuxFoundation Grows So Much it Hires a Chief of Staff	May 26 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mZbdk3WUzz (tuxmachines.org) background:	May 26 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	#dell #emc etc. #gnu #linux #kernel #freesw	May 26 01:01
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#LinuxFoundation Grows So Much it Hires a Chief...'		May 26 01:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867896882097532928	May 26 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers https://t.co/WC2KLJEqdS	May 26 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #samba	May 26 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	#wannacry	May 26 01:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/WC2KLJEqdS #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #samba...'		May 26 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867899652787404800	May 26 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem	May 26 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernel	May 26 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	#ext4	May 26 01:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867899951665352704	May 26 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem	May 26 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernel	May 26 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	#ext4	May 26 01:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS #linux...'		May 26 01:55
*TweetTuxMachines @myflywheel retweeted @tuxmachines: 'An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS #linux...'		May 26 01:55
*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited 'An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS #linux...'		May 26 03:06
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@xychelsea Gonna keep this positive.. do give @Steam_games...'		May 26 03:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867928609058562048	May 26 03:27
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu-Based Alternatives and #Snapcraft 2.30	May 26 03:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1HsRJyqkA5 (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu	May 26 03:27
TweetTuxMachines	#canonical #linuxmint	May 26 03:27
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu-Based Alternatives and #Snapcraft 2.30 https://t.co/1HsRJyqkA5 #ubuntu #canonical...'		May 26 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/jesusguevarauto/status/867931792199831556	May 26 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem	May 26 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernel	May 26 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	#ext4	May 26 03:34
TweetTuxMachines		May 26 03:34
*TweetTuxMachines @Beezel_Bug favourited 'An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS #linux...'		May 26 03:37
cubexyz	Devuan Jeesie 1.0 released	May 26 06:05
cubexyz	Jessie	May 26 06:06
cubexyz	who knows, maybe there'll be a Fedora fork	May 26 06:07
MinceR	i doubt it	May 26 06:09
MinceR	fedora is one with the cancer, through and through	May 26 06:09
MinceR	it has as much of the toxic redhat ideas as is currently possible	May 26 06:09
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/OIEBbI7.jpg	May 26 06:54
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/WiB12FC.jpg (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/qxyIm )	May 26 06:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The State of American Politics - Album on Imgur		May 26 06:58
cubexyz	damn	May 26 07:52
cubexyz	I think xautolock will stop a download	May 26 07:52
cubexyz	I can set up a notifier to warn me when it's within a certain margin	May 26 07:58
cubexyz	ok, added a 3 minute warning notifier	May 26 08:12
cubexyz	one could flash the screen, but I'll use xmessage	May 26 08:14
cubexyz	that will stay on the screen	May 26 08:14
cubexyz	of course I could just kill xautolock in that situation	May 26 08:18
oiaohm	MinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Branding its interesting fedora design make rebranding very possible.	May 26 08:47
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oiaohm	MinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FCNewInit and there have been quite a few different fedora forks at different times.	May 26 08:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange What helps guard you is...'		May 26 09:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange What helps guard you is public opinion...'		May 26 10:18
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange The EU is no beacon of...'		May 26 10:18
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange The EU is no...'		May 26 10:36
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Where was such a claim even made?...'		May 26 10:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Where was such a claim...'		May 26 11:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868048023300878336	May 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	Links 25/5/2017: #Mesa 17.1.1, #Qt 5.9.0 RC, and Much	May 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	More https://t.co/NmBBvJMvIm (techrights.org) …	May 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	#techrights	May 26 11:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868048231145459717	May 26 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	Linux-based gizmo offers remote 3D printer control and	May 26 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	sharing https://t.co/SZI7DgKDe9 (tuxmachines.org) #linux	May 26 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	#3dprinting	May 26 11:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux-based gizmo offers remote 3D printer control and...'		May 26 11:19
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 25/5/2017: #Mesa 17.1.1, #Qt 5.9.0 RC, and...'		May 26 11:29
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*TweetTuxMachines @Paratoxical favourited 'Linux-based gizmo offers remote 3D printer control and...'		May 26 12:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868063921705320448	May 26 12:20
TweetTuxMachines	#AlpineLinux 3.6.0 Released https://t.co/VQFzVObgEd	May 26 12:20
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux	May 26 12:20
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#AlpineLinux 3.6.0 Released https://t.co/VQFzVObgEd #gnu #linux'		May 26 12:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@WLTaskForce @wikileaks Having a political view and speaking...'		May 26 19:31
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/gamification	May 26 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com \| Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Gamification		May 26 19:55
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @WLTaskForce @wikileaks Having a political view...'		May 26 19:56
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/zocNrsT.jpg	May 26 20:05
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868179018423521280	May 26 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	When back home I will change focus/strategy a little.	May 26 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	Notably: Rianne do more of @tuxmachines and the account	May 26 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	will be used more. Efficiency.	May 26 20:37
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/uFTwrrH.jpg	May 26 20:56
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/fishillusionment	May 26 21:17
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liberty_box_	https://mastodon.art/users/znkd/updates/10365	May 26 21:22
liberty_box_	"I used to only have nokia phones, back in the day of keyboards. Well I had like 2 or 3. The last I lost it. Was my favourite mobile of all time."	May 26 21:22
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MinceR	i had 2, they sucked	May 26 21:22
MinceR	then nokia became a m$ puppet, then nokia became a crApple puppet	May 26 21:22
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/N1Z6qTf.jpg	May 26 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868218047906988032	May 26 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	Wine 2.9 released https://t.co/HtQigijM69	May 26 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #wine #software	May 26 22:32
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cubexyz	hmmm there's also the -corners option of xautolock	May 26 23:06
cubexyz	move the mouse pointer into a corner and xautolock won't do its thing	May 26 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868218306209095680	May 26 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Wine 2.9 released https://t.co/HtQigijM69	May 26 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (tuxmachines.org) #wine #software	May 26 23:08
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MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DApA1wTXkAAREC3.jpg	May 26 23:13
cubexyz	ok, and it has -disable and -enable	May 26 23:21
cubexyz	that covers it	May 26 23:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868232973941735424	May 26 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	First Look at #Devuan 1.0: A Free OS Designed for #Debian	May 26 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	Fans Who Hate #systemd https://t.co/OJzveOma3R	May 26 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) hate? Reject.	May 26 23:31
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cubexyz	damn it slashdot, enough with the ads	May 26 23:38
MinceR	did you expect anything good from slashdot?	May 26 23:45
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cubexyz	it's better than facebook	May 26 23:51
cubexyz	I realize that isn't saying much	May 26 23:52
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cubexyz	too many ads everywhere	May 26 23:54
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cubexyz	constant hammering on /coppermine/login.php	May 27 01:38
cubexyz	no idea why they do that	May 27 01:39
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cubexyz	i'd rather xmessage was located in /usr/X11R6/bin	May 27 02:12
cubexyz	but linux seems to lump everything together in /usr/bin	May 27 02:13
cubexyz	actually the X programs are duplicated, they're in both directories on vector	May 27 02:17
MinceR	don't blame the kernel for that :>	May 27 02:18
cubexyz	actually FC1 does it right	May 27 02:19
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cubexyz	just seems better organized that way	May 27 02:20
cubexyz	xx.org	May 27 02:23
cubexyz	oops	May 27 02:23
cubexyz	and xmessage hasn't changed much since R5	May 27 02:26
cubexyz	everything seemed to coalesce around 1994 or so	May 27 02:28
cubexyz	redhat 1.0, X11R6, Darkstar Linux 0.99, really a pity I didn't switch over to linux or bsd back then	May 27 02:29
cubexyz	and the damnest thing is... I was selling FreeBSD 2.0 CDs	May 27 02:29
MinceR	inb4 the poettering cult throws it out because "it's not being maintained"	May 27 02:30
cubexyz	it works	May 27 02:31
cubexyz	that is xmessage works	May 27 02:31
cubexyz	I was just thinking it's a pity I was bogged down with win95 crap back then	May 27 02:32
cubexyz	not sure what poettering's opinions on X11 would be	May 27 02:34
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cubexyz	I don't think of X11 stuff as legacy as I'm still writing X11 programs	May 27 02:35
cubexyz	anyways if anyone tries to dump X11 I'll just make my own distro or something	May 27 02:36
MinceR	they don't care	May 27 02:37
MinceR	according to the cult, everything has to be fucked around with and rewritten until it's totally unusable and full of holes	May 27 02:38
MinceR	as for X11, they were already plotting to replace it with wayland when wayland couldn't do half of what X11 does	May 27 02:38
cubexyz	recently I setup a nice slackware 14.2 box	May 27 02:39
cubexyz	it's pretty recent and it has all the X11 stuff	May 27 02:40
cubexyz	14.2 was released june 2016	May 27 02:41
cubexyz	everyone isn't going to follow poettering's direction	May 27 02:43
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oiaohm	cubexyz: the end to X11 does not come from poettering it comes from x.org foundation. Of course X11 will disappear from primany but xwayland that is X11 inside wayland its going to stick around possible for ever.	May 27 04:35
oiaohm	MinceR: X11 has multi papers detailing defects in protocol that cannot be fixed without breaking existing applications. That is why new protocol wayland. The developer of wayland attempt to design fixes to 200 different issues in X11 protocol.	May 27 04:42
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cubexyz	well, I'm going to keep using X11	May 27 05:58
cubexyz	sure I could criticize X11	May 27 06:00
cubexyz	it's overly elaborate comes to mind	May 27 06:00
cubexyz	that's why Xvesa and Xtiny were created	May 27 06:00
cubexyz	and really Wayland is not fully ready	May 27 06:03
cubexyz	reduced usability, slower performance	May 27 06:04
cubexyz	KDE4 was slower, thus I switch to icewm	May 27 06:06
cubexyz	same idea as before... I use parts of KDE	May 27 06:06
cubexyz	I could see the desktop redrawing itself, that's how slow it was sometimes	May 27 06:07
cubexyz	for systems with very small (ha!) memory I use Xvesa	May 27 06:18
cubexyz	XFree86 executable used to be around 2 megs in size	May 27 06:20
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TweetTuxMachines	What to Expect (and Not Expect) from #GNU #Linux	May 27 06:21
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cubexyz	Xvesa is 869,580 bytes	May 27 06:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: performance benchmarks on wayland vs x.org show them about the same most of the time with wayland a lot faster in some cases.	May 27 06:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: scary enough is even xwayland performance is fairly close to x.org straight on hardware.	May 27 06:25
cubexyz	ahem, ssh -Y etc	May 27 06:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: wayland protocol itself does not cover remote desktop. That does not mean other remote solutions cannot be used. Like gtk + html5 backend.	May 27 06:29
cubexyz	what, I'm running in the brower?	May 27 06:32
cubexyz	browser	May 27 06:34
oiaohm	Libreoffice online running in browser is using the gtk3 html5 backend.	May 27 06:35
oiaohm	https://wiki.tizen.org/Weston_RDP_access there is already wayland compistores with the start of rdp.	May 27 06:35
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cubexyz	a microsoft proprietary protocol?	May 27 06:36
cubexyz	really....	May 27 06:36
oiaohm	there are vnc around and other things as well.	May 27 06:37
cubexyz	RFB protocol then	May 27 06:38
oiaohm	RDP was chosen mostly due to how many clients already have it.	May 27 06:38
cubexyz	which I guess would be OK	May 27 06:38
oiaohm	Both the browser path and the RDP path are both about what you can expect in be support by most clients.	May 27 06:39
cubexyz	don't you remember M$'s dirty tricks with Kerberos?	May 27 06:40
oiaohm	Do note the RDP example is using freerdp client as test bed. So open source client as well.	May 27 06:42
oiaohm	The dominate rdp in thin clients is freerdp.	May 27 06:42
cubexyz	M$ version of Kerberos didn't play nice with MIT's version	May 27 06:43
oiaohm	Freerdp and MS RDP at times do have issues.	May 27 06:43
oiaohm	So that stuff is not forgotten.	May 27 06:43
cubexyz	subsuming Kerberos and making it incompatible with the original == BAD	May 27 06:43
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cubexyz	also flash... oh boy don't get me started	May 27 06:44
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oiaohm	I know your fear. Please note the wayland core protocol was design that it could even be disconnected from opengl.	May 27 06:45
cubexyz	the favourite way for media companies to block recording their shows on the net	May 27 06:45
oiaohm	Wayland objective is to make a solid core.	May 27 06:45
oiaohm	Were it gets extended from there comes interesting equestions.	May 27 06:45
cubexyz	ok, well...	May 27 06:45
cubexyz	I hope wayland works	May 27 06:46
cubexyz	BUT	May 27 06:46
oiaohm	when wayland started html5 for remote was also looked at.	May 27 06:46
cubexyz	I have an interesting in very low memory environments	May 27 06:46
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cubexyz	ugh, I must be tired tonight	May 27 06:46
oiaohm	That is one thing were wayland has got better.	May 27 06:46
cubexyz	interested	May 27 06:46
oiaohm	wayland is forcing memory to be kernel managed.	May 27 06:47
oiaohm	Instead of lets run drivers in userspace and leak maddly with no way of being blamed.	May 27 06:47
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cubexyz	ok, as far as I know, I'm not running device drivers in userspace	May 27 06:48
oiaohm	cubexyz: nvidia opengl stream stuff instead of using gbm that the other are using was to aviod having to do kernel level memory management.	May 27 06:49
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically lets not tell the kernel how we have used the video card memory and pray that our in card and userspace code is correct.	May 27 06:50
cubexyz	to be honest, I'm not completely sure how radeonfb works	May 27 06:51
oiaohm	wayland is starting a lot of driver sanity questions.	May 27 06:51
cubexyz	would I be able to use radeonfb with wayland?	May 27 06:51
oiaohm	Mostly got away with not answer due to X11 tollerating all kinds of stupidty that a wayland will reject.	May 27 06:51
oiaohm	radeonfb that the open source driver right if so that already has wayland supprot.	May 27 06:52
cubexyz	there was xorg-server-xvfb	May 27 06:52
cubexyz	vga16fb was the old one	May 27 06:52
oiaohm	wayland can be ordered to run on framebuffer.	May 27 06:53
cubexyz	and what about old games like HOMM3 and majesty?	May 27 06:53
oiaohm	of course on framebuffer it drops to software rendering.	May 27 06:53
cubexyz	I'd have to retest everything	May 27 06:53
oiaohm	xwayland that is x.org running on top of wayland should support the old X11 applications.	May 27 06:54
oiaohm	the migration plan is not stupid and not a short time frame plan.	May 27 06:54
oiaohm	Some point in the furture x.org will just not have any other video driver other than xwayland.	May 27 06:55
cubexyz	I heard there's an X12 in development	May 27 06:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: X12 is wayland. Turned out X12 was trademarked for something else.	May 27 06:57
cubexyz	but who knows when that will happen	May 27 06:57
cubexyz	I wonder what the slack folks are going to do	May 27 06:58
oiaohm	cubexyz: X12 was talked about then the lead developer of wayland attempted to fix X11 then when the design faults were too large checked out trademark issue and then wayland started.	May 27 06:59
cubexyz	there's no reason why you couldn't talk to a scanner in userspace	May 27 07:01
cubexyz	short commands	May 27 07:01
cubexyz	doesn't minix do that?	May 27 07:02
cubexyz	and if the device driver crashes no biggie, you just kill it	May 27 07:03
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.hl7.com/x12.html this is the X12 that was existing making using X12 as a name a bad idea.	May 27 07:03
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oiaohm	cubexyz: minix is using a microkernel so driver and application are running in two different allocations of userspace memory.	May 27 07:04
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oiaohm	cubexyz: wayland and x11 have been horrible monolithic.	May 27 07:05
oiaohm	cubexyz: people forget when X11 use to have it own font server.	May 27 07:05
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oiaohm	cubexyz: even worse in the X11 protocol there is a standard for it own printer communication protocol	May 27 07:06
oiaohm	cubexyz: think you screen server running in it own memory space something like cups.	May 27 07:07
cubexyz	there was XPRINT	May 27 07:07
cubexyz	but I never used it	May 27 07:07
cubexyz	any X11 program could render output to the printer I think	May 27 07:07
oiaohm	X11 idea of a unlimited extendable protocol end up at complete insanity.	May 27 07:07
cubexyz	maybe FC1 could use that	May 27 07:08
cubexyz	heck, maybe vector classic could as well	May 27 07:09
cubexyz	and that reminds me, xpdf segfaults on vector :-/	May 27 07:10
oiaohm	https://www.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.1/doc/Xprint.7.html	May 27 07:11
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oiaohm	cubexyz: yes xprint was configure all you cups registered printers again.	May 27 07:11
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes xprint did include a x11 server to x11 server printing.	May 27 07:12
cubexyz	I remember in the old days each application had to include it's own printer code	May 27 07:12
cubexyz	e.g. WP	May 27 07:12
oiaohm	This is hang overs from then.	May 27 07:12
cubexyz	the bad old days	May 27 07:12
oiaohm	X11 is full of bad old days stuff.	May 27 07:12
oiaohm	wayland is kind of a sanity line in the sand.	May 27 07:13
cubexyz	but now I would just screenshot and print that	May 27 07:13
oiaohm	then working out do we need any of the old stuff or should we ditch it and move on.	May 27 07:13
oiaohm	question about ditch is if wayland should support remote or should applications just straight up support being put on a webserver.	May 27 07:14
oiaohm	or maybe wayland compistor should exist that does html5	May 27 07:15
oiaohm	There are some advantage to using html 5 like using javascript to validate user input.	May 27 07:16
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cubexyz	we don't _really_ need Xorint	May 27 07:18
cubexyz	Xprint	May 27 07:19
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cubexyz	there was the old command xpr	May 27 07:20
cubexyz	print an X window dump	May 27 07:20
cubexyz	so you can xwd then xpr	May 27 07:20
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cubexyz	yeah I don't have xpr on vector	May 27 07:22
oiaohm	cubexyz: the xwayland path will allow a X11 server per application for the insane ones.	May 27 07:22
cubexyz	but you can convert xwd stuff to png or whatever so no problem	May 27 07:23
cubexyz	as expected FC1 and openbsd 4.7 have xpr	May 27 07:24
cubexyz	I suppose I could get xpr easily enough	May 27 07:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: you have to remember you have places running applications from 1995 Linux because they are closed source for controlling some odd ball hardware from a company that no longer exists.	May 27 07:25
cubexyz	yes but singling out 1995 linux seems a bit unfair	May 27 07:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: those have lead to hey you cannot remove X feature from X11	May 27 07:26
cubexyz	it's much more likely that you have a closed source 1995 windows program	May 27 07:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is date from a real X11 bug report.	May 27 07:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: the glibc wrapping and other things to make those application work is horrible.	May 27 07:27
cubexyz	first I'd blame the manufacturer of the device	May 27 07:27
oiaohm	They are no more.	May 27 07:27
cubexyz	did they make the protocols available? that is the question	May 27 07:27
oiaohm	Most cases no they went into reciever ship and those have been sold to who know who then most likely lost them.	May 27 07:28
cubexyz	did they use some funky undocument chip inside the device, etc etc	May 27 07:28
oiaohm	Fairly much undocumented everything.	May 27 07:28
oiaohm	Before companies started to wake up and started demarding standard conforming stuff.	May 27 07:29
oiaohm	Even today we don't demard enough documentation out of hardware makers.	May 27 07:29
cubexyz	it's everything though	May 27 07:30
oiaohm	If something is critical to your business operations it should be documented.	May 27 07:30
cubexyz	radios, home applications, everything	May 27 07:30
cubexyz	right	May 27 07:30
oiaohm	Problem is once it come core and it not documented and the company no more then what.	May 27 07:31
oiaohm	wayland with xwayland will provide a cleaner way out of the hole than the existing X11 solution.	May 27 07:31
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cubexyz	oh yeah now I remember...	May 27 07:37
cubexyz	back when I was studying the study of X11 I saw X11R3 version of xpr	May 27 07:37
cubexyz	it wouldn't compile on anything modern though	May 27 07:38
cubexyz	studying the history :-/	May 27 07:38
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cubexyz	yeah xload, xman, xpr all got the axe some time ago	May 27 07:41
cubexyz	ok, anyways it will be interesting to have a look at the code	May 27 07:45
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DaemonFC	Wondering if Microsoft has much of a future to be honest.	May 27 07:47
DaemonFC	They only have a few products that aren't a disaster.	May 27 07:47
DaemonFC	By disaster, I mean fiscal disaster.	May 27 07:47
DaemonFC	They've been subsidizing hundreds of side ventures over the years with revenue from Windows and Office, but it always comes back to two products in the end.	May 27 07:48
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 even made fun of Microsoft.	May 27 07:48
DaemonFC	At the end of the movie, they give "Starlord" a Zune and tell him it's what everyone on Earth uses to play music now.	May 27 07:48
DaemonFC	Microsoft made no official comment, but according to some reports, they were not happy about that.	May 27 07:49
DaemonFC	Well, XBOX has been a succcessful division.	May 27 07:50
DaemonFC	It removed a use case for Windows, but they make it up on game royalties.	May 27 07:51
DaemonFC	John bought a PS4. I'm not liking console gaming too much these days. Downloadable games that only work on one console and don't have resale value is where it's all heading, and the controllers have these integrated batteries, so after 500-600 charge cycles you have to throw the whole damned thing away.	May 27 07:52
cubexyz	I get games from gog these days	May 27 07:52
cubexyz	if I'm feeling nostalgic I'll break out the sega genesis :)	May 27 07:53
cubexyz	I'd never buy a PS4 or a Xbox	May 27 07:55
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DaemonFC	The draw of a console is that they subsidize the hardware and you also know that the games are going to work and the performance level won't be unplayable.	May 27 07:57
DaemonFC	The downside is that you end up paying for your ownn discount after you've bought a few games.	May 27 07:58
DaemonFC	I liked the original xbox.	May 27 07:59
DaemonFC	Most people didn't. A lot of the games were crap.	May 27 07:59
DaemonFC	But I got it for $200 and there were _enough_ good titles for it.	May 27 07:59
DaemonFC	The launch titles were all horrible except for Halo.	May 27 08:00
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MinceR	oiaohm: that doesn't give them charte blanche to randomly throw things out that other people need, or to decide what software i will run.	May 27 14:13
oiaohm	MinceR: xwayland will be able to bundled with application. So yes the xwayland change allows distributions to limit down what can be run using included X11 but it also allows items like snap and flatpak to include their own X11.	May 27 15:00
oiaohm	MinceR: putting unified management between x11 mess of a protocol with issue and hardware allows dealing with it problems better.	May 27 15:01
MinceR	great. will it work with pointer capturing and warping?	May 27 15:02
oiaohm	MinceR: most cases these days under X11 that is done by libinput anyhow as most of X11 input drivers have been exterminated already.	May 27 15:03
MinceR	that's not an answer	May 27 15:03
MinceR	without pointer capturing and warping, you can't run fps games properly.	May 27 15:03
MinceR	(even some window manager features can be broken by it)	May 27 15:04
MinceR	but it's "insecure"	May 27 15:04
oiaohm	MinceR: it is an answer. pointer capturing and warping both work by libinput and that is the same on wayland and x11.	May 27 15:04
oiaohm	x.org X11 server is being systematically gutted.	May 27 15:05
oiaohm	MinceR: pointer capture and warping don't have to be insecure.	May 27 15:06
oiaohm	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland-Pointer-Confinement pointer capture is addressed by pointer confinement.	May 27 15:07
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MinceR	funny, at the end of this journey the waylandists may just realize that X features weren't insecure after all	May 27 15:08
oiaohm	wrong.	May 27 15:08
oiaohm	x11 allowed pointer capture when the pointer was no longer above your application.	May 27 15:08
oiaohm	without any special permission.	May 27 15:08
MinceR	guess what, that could be changed	May 27 15:09
MinceR	without reinventing X	May 27 15:09
oiaohm	Not really to make mouse warping work right with xwayland you have to pretend the mouse has gone outside field of view at times. Some applications have the insanity of the ghost moving window.	May 27 15:10
oiaohm	MinceR: reason for needing more than 1 X11 server some X11 applications design are really in the world of nuts.	May 27 15:11
MinceR	well, at least there's something that isn't nuts: dereferencing null pointers in pid1	May 27 15:12
MinceR	that's perfectly sane and normal	May 27 15:12
oiaohm	So you have not read the first audit reports on X.org.	May 27 15:12
oiaohm	they only found 2 million cases of that.	May 27 15:12
oiaohm	in 2006	May 27 15:13
MinceR	i didn't know X runs in pid1	May 27 15:13
oiaohm	MinceR: in some embedded devices yes.	May 27 15:13
MinceR	will there be a systemd-xd to go with systemd-mutterd?	May 27 15:13
MinceR	or with kmutter?	May 27 15:13
oiaohm	MinceR: some embedded devices start x11 as PID1	May 27 15:14
oiaohm	MinceR: so if it crashes system auto reboots.	May 27 15:14
MinceR	some people use X11 wrong, therefore we must destroy X11 and give them windows instead!	May 27 15:15
MinceR	of course!	May 27 15:15
oiaohm	Its not some a lot of people have been using X11 wrong.	May 27 15:15
oiaohm	And some are using X11 wrong to avoid issues that current day X11 servers don't have.	May 27 15:16
oiaohm	MinceR: remember before KMS x11 servers had to run as root user so a high privillage target.	May 27 15:17
MinceR	talk to openbsd guys about that :>	May 27 15:18
oiaohm	That root bit explains why wayland is going after having a network protocol as default.	May 27 15:18
oiaohm	So local and network protocol parts split in two.	May 27 15:18
MinceR	none of this justifies forcing systemd on users, or forcing client-side decorations on users	May 27 15:19
oiaohm	Client-side decorations come down to isolation.	May 27 15:19
oiaohm	and it not like X11 prevented applications from doing client-side decorations.	May 27 15:20
MinceR	it also didn't prevent the window manager from doing decorations properly	May 27 15:20
oiaohm	kwin wayland does windows boarders if applications allows it to.	May 27 15:21
oiaohm	So its in the protocol.	May 27 15:21
oiaohm	Even under X11 you could end up with the double window bared window where the wm had done decorations and the applicaiton had done as well.	May 27 15:22
oiaohm	The main reason for wayland preference for client side is to reduce down the number of buffer merges the system has to perform.	May 27 15:24
MinceR	usability and consistency be damned	May 27 15:25
MinceR	also, modularity	May 27 15:25
MinceR	put half the window manager in the display server, and the other half in the widget toolkit	May 27 15:25
oiaohm	So your forget xmms and others that had already under X11 say to wm no server side decorations.	May 27 15:26
MinceR	you forget that with fvwm, i can force decorations on them	May 27 15:26
MinceR	i could even force decorations on kicker's panel	May 27 15:26
MinceR	make it nonsticky, move it around	May 27 15:26
oiaohm	MinceR: with Kwin wayland you can force decorations as well.	May 27 15:26
MinceR	kwin is the odd one out, in this case	May 27 15:26
oiaohm	So it a wayland compositors choice and it included in the wayland protocol the options todo that.	May 27 15:27
MinceR	the rest of the cult believes in copying a windows design flaw that already had a workaround for one of its consequences in windows xp	May 27 15:27
MinceR	16 years ago.	May 27 15:27
MinceR	this is red hat's idea of "progress".	May 27 15:27
oiaohm	Mind you having all the menu bars then same does nothing about the menu bars.... everything else in the applications gui being different fonts and colours.	May 27 15:28
oiaohm	opps windows title bars should have been the first menu bars	May 27 15:28
oiaohm	Really does not matter if the stuff is rendered client or server the big thing need is uniform theming.	May 27 15:29
MinceR	yeah, such a great need	May 27 15:29
MinceR	let's destroy the entire GUI so we can have it	May 27 15:29
MinceR	and claim that the windowing systems they worship, windows and macos, both have it, even though they don't and they never did	May 27 15:29
MinceR	meanwhile they also worship the web, which is even less uniform	May 27 15:30
oiaohm	Both windows and macos from start of their graphical had uniform locations to look up basic things like default colours and fonts.	May 27 15:30
MinceR	yet none of those things can force gui applications to look alike	May 27 15:31
MinceR	also, in later windows versions you actually had to do magical stuff in your application so windows lets you use the latest theme	May 27 15:31
oiaohm	Also windows can force title bars on it.	May 27 15:31
MinceR	and at least the one macos x version i tried with greater interest had 2 different skins right in the Finder	May 27 15:31
MinceR	it had 2 different UIs, one with the ruled paper with drops of blue liquid theme, and one with the brushed metal theme	May 27 15:32
MinceR	also, i wonder how will these people force gtk themes on mc	May 27 15:32
MinceR	or on iptraf	May 27 15:32
MinceR	or on ncmpcpp	May 27 15:33
MinceR	or on java applications that use swing and let the user pick a theme	May 27 15:33
oiaohm	MinceR: people also forget that wm was added latter to X11	May 27 15:34
oiaohm	MinceR: the first X11 server if you wanted a title bar you application had to render it by it self.	May 27 15:35
MinceR	and it was possibly the greatest thing that ever happened to windowing systems	May 27 15:35
MinceR	because it meant that if you didn't like your window manager, you could replace it	May 27 15:35
oiaohm	Its double sided.	May 27 15:35
MinceR	and that if your system was set up appropriately, and your window manager crashed, you could start it again without losing your work	May 27 15:36
MinceR	this is also software engineering 101	May 27 15:36
oiaohm	It also meant working out proper theming storage between applications stopped as well.	May 27 15:36
MinceR	and therefore poettering knows nothing about it	May 27 15:36
MinceR	isn't that one of the things xrdb can do?	May 27 15:36
MinceR	set and store settings in one place, let all x clients access them	May 27 15:37
MinceR	your applications and your window manager are x clients	May 27 15:37
oiaohm	It should but that never developed to be the go to place for theming.	May 27 15:37
MinceR	there probably are other ways you can make the same information available to all x clients	May 27 15:37
oiaohm	Again after title bars matched a lot of toolkits were not forced to use common theming. Its like gtk or qt on windows you watch them go to common theming there yet then they cannot do that on Linux.	May 27 15:38
MinceR	you can hardly even configure title bars on winblows	May 27 15:39
MinceR	hell, when they added support for this in xp, they required themes to be signed in some way just to get in your way	May 27 15:39
MinceR	and of course on macos pretty much the only thing they let you configure is what color selected text appears with	May 27 15:40
MinceR	which is a joke to anyone who has ever used a non-crippled windowing system	May 27 15:41
MinceR	on vista7, i had to disable "aero" so i could set the font the GUI used	May 27 15:41
MinceR	ridiculous	May 27 15:41
MinceR	but apparently this is what poettering and his flunkies believe we should be forced into	May 27 15:41
oiaohm	with compositors under x11 crashing that was more fatal. One of the things built into wayland is that the compistor can be stopped and the applications can reconnect.	May 27 15:41
oiaohm	So wayland design do deal with a few bad issues.	May 27 15:42
MinceR	won't help if the compositor triggers a GPU driver bug that makes the entire computer freeze	May 27 15:42
MinceR	also, the compositor uses extra memory i may have a better use for	May 27 15:42
oiaohm	GPU is meant to have a functional watchdog.	May 27 15:43
oiaohm	GPU freese way more often than most people know as over 99 percent of cases the gpu is restarted in background without you ever knowing.	May 27 15:44
MinceR	that meaning doesn't mean anything unless someone can force GPU designers to actually do it properly	May 27 15:45
oiaohm	MinceR: one of the reasons for client side decorations is to reduce memory foot print.	May 27 15:45
MinceR	GPUs are out of users' control	May 27 15:45
oiaohm	MinceR: better if GPU designs would not design GPU that crash as part of normal operations	May 27 15:45
MinceR	how will keeping half a window manager in GTK+ in memory, another half a window manager in Qt in memory, and one for every other toolkit save memory?	May 27 15:46
oiaohm	???	May 27 15:46
MinceR	maybe if they managed to ban non-gnome applications -- but if they can do that, most of this scrambling to take users' freedoms away is for naught	May 27 15:46
oiaohm	Don't you understand how wayland is doing it memory.	May 27 15:46
MinceR	oiaohm: well, who renders CSD-s, who makes their controls work?	May 27 15:46
MinceR	the toolkit does.	May 27 15:46
MinceR	this is one of the main problems with CSD.	May 27 15:47
MinceR	every toolkit will have its own idea of how it should look, how it should work	May 27 15:47
MinceR	it will have to be loaded into your memory and running on your CPU to make it work	May 27 15:47
oiaohm	That is true under X11 using opengl for everything bar the titlebar.	May 27 15:47
MinceR	and since it's a pointless task foisted on toolkit developers, they'll half-ass it	May 27 15:47
oiaohm	As you find gtk and qt already doing.	May 27 15:47
MinceR	yeah, for wayland	May 27 15:48
oiaohm	gtk and qt are doign that under X11	May 27 15:48
MinceR	wayland already managed to bloat the 2 most used toolkits for all of us	May 27 15:48
oiaohm	before wayland comes along.	May 27 15:48
MinceR	show me a client-side title bar on a gtk and on a qt application on x11.	May 27 15:48
MinceR	gnome developers already half-assed everything a DE does	May 27 15:48
MinceR	even if earlier gnome versions did it right, they tossed it into a shredder	May 27 15:48
MinceR	27 164826 < MinceR> show me a client-side title bar on a gtk and on a qt application on x11.	May 27 15:49
MinceR	rendered and operated by the toolkit.	May 27 15:49
MinceR	don't bother me with what xmms renders for itself, it doesn't count.	May 27 15:49
oiaohm	MinceR: gtk has had a headerbar for a long time that is client side title bar option.	May 27 15:51
oiaohm	MinceR: and qt has the same.	May 27 15:51
MinceR	i have yet to see it on x	May 27 15:52
oiaohm	MinceR: both were require when running straight on framebuffer without X11 at all.	May 27 15:52
MinceR	afaik they do not support that	May 27 15:52
MinceR	oh, framebuffer	May 27 15:52
MinceR	for a moment i thought x11 without wm :)	May 27 15:52
MinceR	i doubt the binaries i have will launch on a framebuffer without x	May 27 15:52
oiaohm	Yes the feature could be turned on under x11.	May 27 15:53
MinceR	so, why the bloat?	May 27 15:53
MinceR	why do i have to pay for stuff i'll never use?	May 27 15:53
oiaohm	For testing.	May 27 15:53
oiaohm	So testing out embedded application under x11 you would have two title bars one toolkit generated one X11 wm generated.	May 27 15:53
MinceR	yeah, i'm testing whether that dead code really remains dead the whole time these applications are running	May 27 15:54
MinceR	so exciting!	May 27 15:54
oiaohm	Of course you load qt and gtk into memory with a normal application under X11 and that stuff was coming along for the ride anyhow.	May 27 15:55
oiaohm	Same with most of the other so called X11 toolkits.	May 27 15:55
oiaohm	a lot of CSD has been in system as never run code.	May 27 15:56
oiaohm	to most users.	May 27 15:56
oiaohm	wayland goal with CSD is that only 1 buffer were possible will be used between client and server. Instead of under X11 where your toolkit has a buffer. The windows manager has to now create another buffer to put the clientside dectorations in and merge with buffer applciation has provided.	May 27 15:58
oiaohm	So wm model of X11 was consuming up 3 buffers allocations to where CSD can successfuly use 1 buffer allocation.	May 27 15:59
MinceR	wayland has all the wrong goals	May 27 15:59
MinceR	and all the important functionality is sacrificed	May 27 15:59
oiaohm	You cannot have everything.	May 27 16:01
oiaohm	Not all users want everything.	May 27 16:01
oiaohm	CSD has it place. Interesting point is even that wayland allows windows to CSD wayland also include means that buttons on the tittle bar triggers like close still go to the compositor.	May 27 16:03
oiaohm	MinceR: so wayland is a halfway between pure CSD and Server side.	May 27 16:04
MinceR	27 170138 < oiaohm> Not all users want everything.	May 27 16:04
MinceR	and then you're baffled that some people stick with X11.	May 27 16:04
oiaohm	I am not baffled at all.	May 27 16:05
oiaohm	Human resist change.	May 27 16:05
oiaohm	You complain about systemd over bundling stuff then you start demarding that wayland includes every feature.	May 27 16:06
oiaohm	Really MinceR its about time you start getting your arguements aligned.	May 27 16:06
MinceR	oiaohm: here's an interesting fact: not all change has to be for the worse.	May 27 16:06
MinceR	and no, i don't demand that wayland include every feature	May 27 16:07
MinceR	i demand that wayland allow someone implement every feature	May 27 16:07
MinceR	X11 doesn't include a window manager, yet you can use one with X11.	May 27 16:07
oiaohm	X11 protocol does include windows manager defined what it is.	May 27 16:07
MinceR	see, modularity and running multiple processes on a system may scare poettering, but they really are good ideas.	May 27 16:07
oiaohm	wayland does something different.	May 27 16:08
MinceR	the ICCCM and the EWMH do, though	May 27 16:08
MinceR	possibly others too	May 27 16:08
oiaohm	Wayland defines that application and run without a wayland compsitor.	May 27 16:08
oiaohm	So compistor dies you can start another one.	May 27 16:08
MinceR	that's great, then i can run them on X	May 27 16:08
oiaohm	X11 you have to use a third party like https://xpra.org/ to have that feature.	May 27 16:09
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oiaohm	So instead of changable wm wayland does changeable compositors.	May 27 16:10
oiaohm	Of course we still have issues of the likes of gnome not implementing changeable. We are back to the days of some of the early wm nightmares.	May 27 16:14
oiaohm	MinceR: https://plus.google.com/+MartinGr%C3%A4%C3%9Flin/posts/HsMpE238jUL correctly designed wayland stuff can live threw compistor crashes and replacements.	May 27 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com \| Spent this morning on the question "What should KWin do if the Wayland system... [ http://ur1.ca/qxih6 ]		May 27 16:17
oiaohm	MinceR: so software done right under wayland should be a lot stronger than X11 of course its getting the developers to make it durable.	May 27 16:17
MinceR	"stronger"	May 27 16:19
MinceR	it remains to be seen whether they'll be able to do what people like me depend on and whether they'll run without any massive backdoors	May 27 16:19
oiaohm	Wayland protocol is design with the idea of server loss.	May 27 16:21
oiaohm	X11 is not design with that that is where xpra comes in.	May 27 16:22
oiaohm	MinceR: so some places wayland is better designed.	May 27 16:22
oiaohm	MinceR: I do agree with you that wayland is still developing and it has possibility of being good due to design. Remember X11 with the likes of cookie already had massive backdoors.	May 27 16:25
oiaohm	So it should be possible with time to be better than X11 due to how much was wrong with it.	May 27 16:26
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MinceR	i wonder how will your idols try to force mutter on people before it's ready	May 27 17:36
MinceR	it's not possible for it to be better than X11 if the people designing it do not understand X11	May 27 17:37
MinceR	if they'll just try to copy windows and macos, it won't ever be as good as X11	May 27 17:37
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/8ixulCK.gifv (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/8ixulCK )	May 27 17:45
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oiaohm	MinceR: again here is a rant of like Microsoft or macos. Neither of those are designed to a proper compositor restart.	May 27 17:50
MinceR	they're also not designed to be flexible, or to give the user any sort of choice	May 27 17:51
oiaohm	MinceR: wayland lead developers are x.org ones.	May 27 17:51
MinceR	except for Hobson's, of course	May 27 17:51
MinceR	your favorite kind	May 27 17:51
oiaohm	MinceR: no point here you again going off with baseless facts.	May 27 17:51
MinceR	yeah, i wonder if there are any x.org developers left who actually know and care about x	May 27 17:51
MinceR	and are not just "free"desktop.org munchkins from red hat	May 27 17:51
oiaohm	wayland is started as X12.	May 27 17:52
oiaohm	That is to take X11 back to be simple again.	May 27 17:52
oiaohm	Instead of a stack of nightmare X11 had become.	May 27 17:52
MinceR	yet they were pushing it as an X replacement when it couldn't do pointer grabbing, pointer warping, server-side decorations and had the window manager merged into the display server and the GUI toolkit	May 27 17:52
MinceR	they kept insisting those things are unnecessary	May 27 17:53
MinceR	and "insecure"	May 27 17:53
MinceR	oh, also, screenshots	May 27 17:53
MinceR	who the hell needs screenshots anyway...	May 27 17:53
oiaohm	How they were implemented in X11 they were all wrong.	May 27 17:53
oiaohm	Wayland developer built a solid core design then expanded from there.	May 27 17:53
MinceR	ah, of course, how could i not know that	May 27 17:54
oiaohm	So you are saying wayland developers should have started like systemd did.	May 27 17:54
MinceR	the solution to something not being implemented correctly is, of course, to not implement it at all, anymore	May 27 17:54
oiaohm	With every feature and 90 percent busted.	May 27 17:54
MinceR	no	May 27 17:54
oiaohm	that is what you are saying.	May 27 17:55
MinceR	i'm saying that they should have started like systemd should have started	May 27 17:55
oiaohm	You are saying they could not start of minimal.	May 27 17:55
MinceR	with clear goals and making it clear that it isn't done until it's done.	May 27 17:55
MinceR	systemd shouldn't have neglected making cgroups work	May 27 17:55
MinceR	since they rely on it	May 27 17:55
oiaohm	wayland has had a stack of clear goals first started on the x.org x11 page.	May 27 17:55
MinceR	and it still doesn't work!	May 27 17:55
MinceR	so what?	May 27 17:55
oiaohm	wayland is not systemd.	May 27 17:55
oiaohm	Development way different.	May 27 17:55
MinceR	redhat and m$ have already shown what can be done with infiltrating organizations	May 27 17:55
MinceR	entryism.	May 27 17:56
oiaohm	No redhat either.	May 27 17:56
oiaohm	The developers behind wayland core are not redhat.	May 27 17:56
MinceR	yeah, "free"desktop.org and gnome are not redhat	May 27 17:56
MinceR	pay no attention to the man behind the curtain	May 27 17:56
oiaohm	Not freedesktop either.	May 27 17:56
oiaohm	So far nothing right	May 27 17:56
MinceR	also, the fact that all implementations except kwin (and maybe that tiling wm i forgot the name of) won't do server-side decorations is also only a coincidence	May 27 17:58
MinceR	or that they all depend on logind	May 27 17:58
oiaohm	two lines of incorrect	May 27 17:59
oiaohm	Come on when will you get a single point correct.	May 27 18:00
MinceR	[citation needed]	May 27 18:00
oiaohm	There are 4 wayland composistoers in existance with server side decorations. Mind you 3 are used in cars.	May 27 18:00
oiaohm	Enlightenment wayland implementation include server side decorations and that is one you should know.	May 27 18:01
oiaohm	MinceR: and logind has nothing to-do with server-side decorations.	May 27 18:02
MinceR	yeah	May 27 18:02
MinceR	it has to do with forcing systemd on people	May 27 18:02
MinceR	another malfeature you love	May 27 18:02
oiaohm	Again wrong.	May 27 18:03
oiaohm	MinceR: I mostly pick on you for systemd because you have facts wrong not because I like it.	May 27 18:03
oiaohm	logind before it was merged with system contained a idea that display server could avoid needing root privillage.	May 27 18:04
MinceR	wrong, i have the facts right, and you love systemd	May 27 18:04
MinceR	ooh, contained an idea	May 27 18:04
oiaohm	MinceR: then please explain why I pushed for debian to go openrc not systemd.	May 27 18:05
MinceR	and then you pretend the only way that "idea" could be implemented is by having a massive hairball in pid1	May 27 18:05
MinceR	running as root	May 27 18:05
MinceR	oiaohm: prove you pushed for that.	May 27 18:05
MinceR	not that it mattered, the redhat munchkins in position simply pretended openrc doesn't even exist.	May 27 18:05
oiaohm	MinceR: it in the bug opened about debain init choice.	May 27 18:05
oiaohm	MinceR: it public record you are presuming things about me that are not fact.	May 27 18:05
oiaohm	Just like you do all the time.	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	About wayland about systemd about me you do the same crap all the time.	May 27 18:06
MinceR	yet you advertise systemd here every day	May 27 18:06
MinceR	like they were paying you for it	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	No I don't.	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	I have never first raised the point of systemd.	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	here	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	ever	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	If anyone is paid it you who is paid to take anti redhat point of view spreading incorrect facts.	May 27 18:07
MinceR	good thing you're here with your Alternative Facts	May 27 18:07
oiaohm	My stuff tracks to commit entries when stuff happened in otherwords the public record.	May 27 18:08
oiaohm	Not guess me stuff like you have been using.	May 27 18:08
oiaohm	wayland started on x.org then got moved by developer to freedesktop when it come clear that x.org accounting was in trouble.	May 27 18:09
MinceR	if only redhat cared half as much about software engineering as they care about the public record	May 27 18:09
MinceR	ah yes, holy "free"desktop.org to the rescue	May 27 18:10
MinceR	and then people wonder why it depends on cancerd	May 27 18:10
oiaohm	wayland lead developer is paid for by university	May 27 18:10
MinceR	i wonder who pays the university	May 27 18:10
oiaohm	redhat has no power over him.	May 27 18:10
oiaohm	french government.	May 27 18:10
MinceR	BME had an entire department bought by m$	May 27 18:10
oiaohm	Zero funds from redhat to that uni.	May 27 18:10
oiaohm	Also here something else really nasty of course wayland is not going to depend on systemd. The lead developer happens to be a core developer in freebsd	May 27 18:12
MinceR	maybe he's a True Believer	May 27 18:12
MinceR	so why do weston and mutter depend on cancerd?	May 27 18:12
MinceR	will they port cancerd to freebsd too?	May 27 18:12
oiaohm	MinceR: weston does not.	May 27 18:12
oiaohm	MinceR: never has.	May 27 18:13
oiaohm	MinceR: again core wayland nothing redhat linked its you dream crap up.	May 27 18:13
oiaohm	mutter there is a redhat link there.	May 27 18:13
MinceR	oh, right, they depend on logind, which just happens to be a part of systemd	May 27 18:13
oiaohm	MinceR: weston uses logind or freebsd alterantive to get graphical access.	May 27 18:14
oiaohm	MinceR: freebsd had a method for a while to have X11 runnign without root.	May 27 18:14
MinceR	there you go, lying as usual	May 27 18:14
MinceR	and accusing me of lying	May 27 18:14
oiaohm	MinceR: I am not lying it in the weston source code	May 27 18:15
MinceR	pretending one can have logind without systemd	May 27 18:15
MinceR	when in fact, one can not	May 27 18:15
oiaohm	weston does not need logind on bsd solution.	May 27 18:15
MinceR	the bsd solution is unavailable on gnu/linux.	May 27 18:15
oiaohm	Correct at long last point that is correct.	May 27 18:16
oiaohm	It releated to how bsd is able to track services.	May 27 18:16
oiaohm	How the tty is done.	May 27 18:16
MinceR	you should take this talk to the court. i'm sure they'd appreciate it there.	May 27 18:17
oiaohm	MinceR: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2016-December/064198.html this is a report from 2016	May 27 18:21
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oiaohm	MinceR: everything that is wayland that need logind is not ported yet.	May 27 18:22
oiaohm	MinceR: so there is another method in wayland that works without logind for a large number of wayland compistors when not running as root.	May 27 18:22
oiaohm	MinceR: but that method is not part of Linux kernel.	May 27 18:23
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/being-an-adult http://smbc-comics.com/comics/1494942581-20170516after.png	May 27 18:29
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oiaohm	MinceR: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=login.conf ever looked at how freebsd login system in fact works.	May 27 18:37
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MinceR	i don't really care, i'm not planning to use freebsd	May 27 18:38
oiaohm	MinceR: it does not have logind but the login system can do lots of things like logind does in setup. Like opening devices to limited applications of the user.	May 27 18:38
MinceR	does freebsd need to run a massive hairball in pid1 for it to work?	May 27 18:39
oiaohm	bsd kernels have a authenication system in kernel that the Linux kernel does not have instead.	May 27 18:39
oiaohm	MinceR: so PID or IPC authenication system in kernel choose your poison.	May 27 18:41
MinceR	i wonder how openbsd does it	May 27 18:41
oiaohm	The same	May 27 18:41
oiaohm	its openbsd design.	May 27 18:42
oiaohm	So there should be no need for logind in most cases on bsds due to the existing features in kernel.	May 27 18:43
oiaohm	This is were you start getting into kernel dependant differences.	May 27 18:43
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MinceR	https://youtu.be/0t2VPBF6Kp4	May 27 20:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/sopanx/status/868539194540347392	May 27 20:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@sopanx Fans Who Hate #systemd https://t.co/OJzveOma3R	May 27 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) hate? Reject.	May 27 20:52
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MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/f0Xk4	May 27 21:34
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/r7kzWty.gifv	May 27 22:18
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MinceR	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-declares-all-atheists-are-terrorists-in-new-law-to-crack-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html	May 27 23:11
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/YoUvS1W.jpg (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/3X27p )	May 27 23:47
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BACKUP
cubexyz	6-bit character sets	May 21 00:00
XRevan86	MinceR: Maybe it's just convinient to write it like "N"…	May 21 00:00
cubexyz	64 characters is all you need :)	May 21 00:01
XRevan86	http://german242.com/articles/suzdal/suzdal04.jpg another clock	May 21 00:01
XRevan86	http://german242.com/articles/suzdal/suzdal_clock.htm I'll give the whole article	May 21 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-german242.com \| ????? ??? ? ???? [ http://ur1.ca/qwaxj ]		May 21 00:03
XRevan86	it has lots of illustrations	May 21 00:03
cubexyz	64 characters plus shift out, shift in	May 21 00:03
XRevan86	> ????? ??? ? ????	May 21 00:03
XRevan86	Who needs Unicode, amarait?	May 21 00:03
cubexyz	ha	May 21 00:03
XRevan86	> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1251">	May 21 00:03
XRevan86	CP1251, nice.	May 21 00:04
XRevan86	I expected KOI8-R, oh well.	May 21 00:04
cubexyz	I see the N's	May 21 00:04
cubexyz	not letters, got it :)	May 21 00:04
cubexyz	Is it 12 o'clock or L o'clock?	May 21 00:05
XRevan86	ВІ o'clock	May 21 00:06
XRevan86	vi o'clock :)	May 21 00:07
XRevan86	There's always vi o'clock somewhere	May 21 00:07
XRevan86	:q!	May 21 00:07
cubexyz	some of my friends don't like vi	May 21 00:09
XRevan86	Fun fact: some redundant Greek letters were kept in the Russian Cyrillic alphabet for a long while just for the numerals.	May 21 00:09
MinceR	indeed	May 21 00:09
MinceR	also in the greek alphabet	May 21 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866061358801969152	May 21 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers https://t.co/I6Vw3K64U6	May 21 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 00:09
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:09
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XRevan86	MinceR: Huh, that makes sense :)	May 21 00:10
cubexyz	what letters are redundant?	May 21 00:10
XRevan86	let's see…	May 21 00:10
MinceR	greek has digamma	May 21 00:10
XRevan86	Ѕ, Ѳ, Ѯ	May 21 00:11
MinceR	and koppa and sampi	May 21 00:11
XRevan86	Ѱ, Ѡ	May 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866068383535480832	May 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	OK, so wife woke up and is definitely eager to follow	May 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	that idea of her posting the #gnu #linux things in	May 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines while I do other stuff	May 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:11
XRevan86	(well, Ѳ is strictly speaking not redundant but in Cyrillic it meant the "f" sound, not "th")	May 21 00:12
XRevan86	There's no "th" in Slavic languages.	May 21 00:12
cubexyz	we use theta in APL in some versions	May 21 00:12
XRevan86	cubexyz: The programming language?	May 21 00:12
cubexyz	yes	May 21 00:12
XRevan86	Never heard of it…	May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@SleepyPenguin1 https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/866068921052540929	May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz @tuxmachines Cor..... I didn't know you had	May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	a robot for that kind of thing as well ;)	May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:13
cubexyz	http://apl.maxhost.org	May 21 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apl.maxhost.org \| Info on Various APL Implementations		May 21 00:13
XRevan86	theta is used in science stuff, so it makes sense	May 21 00:13
MinceR	greek theta, not russian theta :>	May 21 00:14
MinceR	s/russian/cyrillic/	May 21 00:14
cubexyz	I saved APL 1975 from extinction	May 21 00:14
XRevan86	MinceR: no wa~	May 21 00:14
MinceR	:)	May 21 00:14
XRevan86	MinceR: Next thing you'll say when people write "Г" in science they don't mean the Cyrillic "Г"	May 21 00:16
cubexyz	haven't had the time to delve into the old unix stuff of late	May 21 00:16
XRevan86	and when "E" they don't mean the Cyrillic "E	May 21 00:16
cubexyz	well I don't :)	May 21 00:17
XRevan86	cubexyz: You don't say that? :)	May 21 00:17
MinceR	XRevan86: :)	May 21 00:18
cubexyz	I sometimes use epsilon, theta, iota, gamma and pi of course	May 21 00:18
cubexyz	and rho	May 21 00:18
cubexyz	and delta	May 21 00:18
cubexyz	all from APL though	May 21 00:19
XRevan86	cubexyz: Are you sure you don't accidentally use Е, Ѳ, I, Г, П and Р? :P	May 21 00:19
MinceR	more crazy stuff >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_%28Cyrillic%29#Computing_codes	May 21 00:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| O (Cyrillic) - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/qwb0o ]		May 21 00:19
*brendyn is now known as brendyyn		May 21 00:19
cubexyz	capital E and capital P sure	May 21 00:20
XRevan86	and Д	May 21 00:20
XRevan86	> CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ROUND OMEGA	May 21 00:20
XRevan86	MinceR: I didn't know it's omega %)	May 21 00:20
XRevan86	always thought it's called "on"	May 21 00:21
cubexyz	if I had a proper APL keyboard I would type the symbol rather than the word	May 21 00:21
MinceR	:)	May 21 00:21
cubexyz	but those things are expensive	May 21 00:21
MinceR	the eyed versions are crazier	May 21 00:21
XRevan86	ꙮ	May 21 00:22
XRevan86	If I'd need a symbol for trypophobia, that would be the one.	May 21 00:22
MinceR	:>	May 21 00:22
MinceR	the only mentions of "omega" i see there are about a variant version	May 21 00:22
MinceR	not O itself	May 21 00:22
MinceR	Ѻ	May 21 00:22
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_On found an article about it	May 21 00:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Broad On - Wikipedia		May 21 00:23
XRevan86	MinceR: My font shows this broad "on" more condensed than the non-broad one %)	May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866069262225428480	May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	@SleepyPenguin1 @tuxmachines Not a robot, it was me doing	May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	it	May 21 00:26
MinceR	:)	May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	@debexpert https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/866072690829996032	May 21 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz @kaddourkardio @tuxmachines isn't beautiful	May 21 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	guys? >> #SailfishOS https://t.co/hLVASS4kx2	May 21 00:29
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz @kaddourkardio @tuxmachines isn't beautiful guys? >> #SailfishOS https://t.co/hLVASS4kx2		May 21 00:29
MinceR	that's right: it isn't.	May 21 00:30
MinceR	and it's less free than android	May 21 00:30
MinceR	and it has systemd and kdbus	May 21 00:30
XRevan86	MinceR: So, you really believe Android is more free than systemd?	May 21 00:32
XRevan86	How contributor friendly is Android? How open is its development?	May 21 00:32
cubexyz	did android always use systemd?	May 21 00:33
XRevan86	cubexyz: Never did, never will.	May 21 00:33
cubexyz	ok, got confused there, sorry :)	May 21 00:33
MinceR	yes	May 21 00:34
MinceR	afaik android is not obfuscated	May 21 00:34
XRevan86	How Android is being developed: Google makes stuff under closed-doors, then after they are done, releases the code.	May 21 00:34
XRevan86	MinceR: Android is the most obfuscated thing.	May 21 00:35
MinceR	how Lendows is being developed: either red hat bigwigs or poettering himself makes up some unworkable bullshit behind closed doors, and then forces the code on everyone.	May 21 00:35
XRevan86	MinceR: "behind closed doors" means that you don't get to see the VCS.	May 21 00:36
XRevan86	Google just throws a tarball at you.	May 21 00:37
XRevan86	a very giant tarball	May 21 00:37
MinceR	what are these, then? >> https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/q/status:open	May 21 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-android-review.googlesource.com \| Gerrit Code Review		May 21 00:38
oiaohm	MinceR: answer these question what year did systemd start development with a open repository and what year did distributions start using it.	May 21 00:38
MinceR	oh no, i woke the red hat marketroid	May 21 00:38
cubexyz	easy, whatever year fedora 16 came out	May 21 00:38
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is for when distribution started using it. That not when repostory appeared.	May 21 00:39
MinceR	fedora 15 already came with cancerd	May 21 00:39
oiaohm	MinceR: before that.	May 21 00:39
cubexyz	oh yeah could have been 15	May 21 00:40
oiaohm	MinceR: the repositry was open 12 months before a fedora contained it.	May 21 00:40
cubexyz	may 2011 then	May 21 00:40
MinceR	oiaohm: and then it went on for years without becoming stable	May 21 00:40
XRevan86	MinceR: Oh, not a tarball then	May 21 00:40
MinceR	but that's fine	May 21 00:41
MinceR	who needs workable code when you already have hot air?	May 21 00:41
oiaohm	MinceR: the developed been closed doors claim does not hold up on systemd.	May 21 00:41
oiaohm	MinceR: quality issues do.	May 21 00:41
XRevan86	the developing stuff is still not there though	May 21 00:41
MinceR	oiaohm: oh, whom did poettering consult when coming up with all that shit?	May 21 00:41
MinceR	"the systemd cabal" doesn't exactly call to mind a particularly community-oriented process	May 21 00:42
MinceR	i certainly don't remember being asked whether i wanted the distro i relied on being shat all over and gradually turned into a windows clone	May 21 00:42
oiaohm	MinceR: also that gets intersting when you look at the first 5 developers before anyone was using systemd.	May 21 00:42
MinceR	but here we are	May 21 00:42
XRevan86	So, if I want to contribute to Android…	May 21 00:42
oiaohm	MinceR: Poettering was not the only developer and the developer were not all redhat.	May 21 00:42
MinceR	XRevan86: iirc repo has some mechanism to submit your code for code review	May 21 00:42
MinceR	and if it passes that, it gets integrated	May 21 00:43
XRevan86	MinceR: The current Android is just not there.	May 21 00:43
MinceR	but i don't know how open they are to external contributions	May 21 00:43
XRevan86	The code is outdated.	May 21 00:43
XRevan86	What am I gonna do? Contribute to Kitkat and then tell everybody how helpful I was for Android?	May 21 00:43
MinceR	XRevan86: well, at least google isn't afraid of putting actual comments in their code	May 21 00:44
*XRevan86 now looks at systemd		May 21 00:45
*XRevan86 sees comments.		May 21 00:46
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd repo opens 2010 the first fedora with it in repository is fedora 14 in 2011. In that first 12 months you already have developers from debian and suse adding stuff. Mostly because they could due to where they work sign Ubuntu CLA and add stuff to upstart.	May 21 00:46
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oiaohm	MinceR: opps could not sign Ubuntu CLA to add stuff to upstart.	May 21 00:47
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MinceR	adding stuff won't save upstart either, it's crap	May 21 00:47
MinceR	just not quite as crap as systemd	May 21 00:48
MinceR	sure, it abuses signals and pthreads mindlessly	May 21 00:48
MinceR	but at least it has a scope	May 21 00:48
XRevan86	a scope?	May 21 00:48
oiaohm	MinceR: there was a patch done for upstart that was refused to switch it to cgroups.	May 21 00:48
MinceR	XRevan86: a clearly defined purpose	May 21 00:49
oiaohm	MinceR: more open developmenton upstart then systemd would have never existed.	May 21 00:49
MinceR	oiaohm: unsurprising, considering that cgroups aren't done yet	May 21 00:49
XRevan86	MinceR: To boot Ubuntu?	May 21 00:49
MinceR	XRevan86: manage services and reap zombies	May 21 00:50
MinceR	presumably also boot and shutdown	May 21 00:50
XRevan86	and show fsck progress in plymouth	May 21 00:50
MinceR	isn't that plymouth's job?	May 21 00:50
XRevan86	MinceR: Upstart did that somehow	May 21 00:50
XRevan86	and required plymouth as a result	May 21 00:51
XRevan86	I was very impressed to see Ubuntu Server with plymouth	May 21 00:51
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MinceR	lol	May 21 00:51
XRevan86	(there was no way to get rid of it)	May 21 00:51
MinceR	well, these lamers raised on windows probably shit their pants in fear if they see a text mode console	May 21 00:52
oiaohm	MinceR: upstart is crap in different ways to systemd.	May 21 00:52
cubexyz	I should point out that we don't really have text mode these days	May 21 00:52
cubexyz	even the console uses a graphics mode	May 21 00:52
cubexyz	you'd need a serial terminal for true text mode	May 21 00:53
XRevan86	MinceR: Upstart just can't live without Plymouth.	May 21 00:53
MinceR	oiaohm: yeah	May 21 00:53
oiaohm	MinceR: also systemd collection of project into its own tells a scary story. Of projects with only 1 maintain and no time to process CVE bugs.	May 21 00:54
MinceR	failing at its job due to using signals and ptrace for something that is not their purpose	May 21 00:54
MinceR	instead of failing at its job due to using cgroups and trying to do everything before they get even that right	May 21 00:54
XRevan86	MinceR: Upstart also has an integration with dconf. Nifty.	May 21 00:54
MinceR	oiaohm: ooh, more excuses	May 21 00:54
MinceR	oiaohm: can you show me where i asked for excuses?	May 21 00:54
MinceR	ooh, dconf	May 21 00:54
oiaohm	MinceR: no that is not an excuse	May 21 00:54
oiaohm	MinceR: how many open CVE were in udev before it merged into systemd?	May 21 00:55
oiaohm	MinceR: Open of more than 2 years.	May 21 00:55
oiaohm	MinceR: 12 in fact. This becomes a very big scary story.	May 21 00:56
MinceR	oiaohm: talk to me about CVEs when cancerd doesn't go into "stable" distro releases with null pointer dereferences all over it	May 21 00:56
oiaohm	Something had to change in the way a lot of these projects were maintained.	May 21 00:56
MinceR	obviously, the solution was to merge them into the most hostile project in history	May 21 00:56
MinceR	which is managed under the CADT model	May 21 00:57
MinceR	which is just the thing you need for security	May 21 00:57
oiaohm	By merging they got a bigger security team with more maitainers approved to-do the stuff.	May 21 00:57
MinceR	keeping bugs in your bug tracker for years, then mass deleting them because you rewrote the whole thing makes stuff oh so secure	May 21 00:57
oiaohm	And the fix rate on CVE has reduced to under 3 months.	May 21 00:57
MinceR	what sort of security team do they have?	May 21 00:57
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MinceR	what sort of "security team" approves the sort of messy shit that is systemd?	May 21 00:58
oiaohm	MinceR: general bugs I wish systemd had the same fix speed.	May 21 00:58
MinceR	maybe it would, if it had a scope	May 21 00:58
MinceR	and they focused on making service management work instead of reimplementing the whole userspace	May 21 00:58
cubexyz	I made more progress trying to compile apl.75 for Unix v5	May 21 00:59
cubexyz	sometimes I get too tired to work on it :-/	May 21 00:59
oiaohm	MinceR: most of the merges into systemd happened because they were worried about secure service management found faults reported then worked out the maintainer did not have the time or the resources to fix them.	May 21 01:00
MinceR	apparently they don't have the time or the resources to do everything they want inside systemd either	May 21 01:00
cubexyz	none of us are really systemd people though yes?	May 21 01:00
MinceR	oiaohm seems to be	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866080516776144898	May 21 01:01
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MinceR	lately all of his activity is shilling systemd	May 21 01:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866081432585752582	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	Still thinking hard how to manage news postings about	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	Maybe something along the lines of RTing @tuxmachines on	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	it all?	May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 01:01
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd has merged a huge stack of under resourced projects. This creates 1 project under resourced.	May 21 01:01
MinceR	and conveniently creates tight coupling between what used to be independent projects	May 21 01:02
MinceR	the better to force that NSA backdoor on you	May 21 01:03
MinceR	apparently having an NSA backdoor is now "security"	May 21 01:03
oiaohm	MinceR: funny part is most of the projects that were merged in systemd will still build as inpendent parts.	May 21 01:03
MinceR	they just won't run?	May 21 01:03
MinceR	what a relief	May 21 01:03
cubexyz	can't believe distrowatch has reactos higher than slackware	May 21 01:03
oiaohm	MinceR: run perfectly.	May 21 01:03
MinceR	it's not like i ever wanted my software to run	May 21 01:03
MinceR	what's reactos doing on distrowatch?	May 21 01:03
oiaohm	MinceR: evdev that is a fork off of udev in system all they did was strip away all the other systemd parts and set make file to make udev.	May 21 01:04
MinceR	well, i guess if systemd/Linux fits there then so does reactos	May 21 01:04
oiaohm	MinceR: no source modifications.	May 21 01:04
XRevan86	Why there's no Windows on distrowatch?	May 21 01:04
MinceR	oiaohm: no, that's eudev	May 21 01:04
MinceR	oiaohm: and they actually had to do work on it	May 21 01:04
cubexyz	reactos is still a distro I guess	May 21 01:04
MinceR	oiaohm: evdev is an entirely other piece of software	May 21 01:04
MinceR	reactos is a windows nt reimplementation	May 21 01:04
XRevan86	A distro of Wine? :)	May 21 01:04
MinceR	a more honest one, at that	May 21 01:04
*TweetTuxMachines @calcaware retweeted @schestowitz: 'Still thinking hard how to manage news postings...'		May 21 01:05
MinceR	it's a somewhat terrifying idea that to some people "security" means a constantly churning massive hairball of baroque software	May 21 01:07
MinceR	they probably don't even know what "hardening" or "separation of concerns" are	May 21 01:07
cubexyz	well "make every program a filter" certainly seem to have went out the window :)	May 21 01:11
MinceR	funny oiaohm should pick udev to try and prove that systemd components are independent of systemd	May 21 01:11
MinceR	https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html	May 21 01:11
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MinceR	>we will	May 21 01:11
MinceR	not support non-systemd systems with udev anymore starting at that	May 21 01:11
MinceR	point. Gentoo folks, this is your wakeup call.	May 21 01:11
MinceR	"run perfectly", he says	May 21 01:12
MinceR	poppycock.	May 21 01:12
cubexyz	I still use pre-udev systems	May 21 01:16
cubexyz	not sure if there's any modern distro that does though	May 21 01:16
MinceR	i still have a version of udev poettering didn't shit all over	May 21 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/TimberGhost7/status/866082403261050880	May 21 01:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@TimberGhost7 #gnu #linux	May 21 01:17
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TweetTuxMachines	it all?	May 21 01:17
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cubexyz	didn't they merge udev with systemd?	May 21 01:18
cubexyz	kind of forced on everybody	May 21 01:18
cubexyz	maybe that's wrong	May 21 01:19
MinceR	they moved udev into the systemd project, claiming that it will still support usage without systemd	May 21 01:19
MinceR	http://archive.is/pxRdY	May 21 01:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is \| The future of the udev source tree		May 21 01:20
MinceR	they waited a little more than 2 years to admit that this was a lie	May 21 01:20
MinceR	but apparently some people still blindly trust poettering and his cult	May 21 01:20
cubexyz	I think you could build a linux without udev though	May 21 01:20
cubexyz	if you really wanted to	May 21 01:21
MinceR	i think i could also switch to netbsd or openbsd or dragonflybsd	May 21 01:21
cubexyz	sure, I'm on openbsd right now	May 21 01:21
cubexyz	with LFS you could build whatever you want I think	May 21 01:24
oiaohm	MinceR: yet 3 years latter patches are going into systemd for building udev independently	May 21 01:25
oiaohm	MinceR: problem is your statements don't line up to the commit history.	May 21 01:25
cubexyz	BLFS book shows a way to build all devices as static	May 21 01:25
cubexyz	of course with the BSDs you avoid systemd and udev	May 21 01:26
MinceR	with at least one of them, you get launchd instead	May 21 01:26
MinceR	which is almost as cancerous	May 21 01:26
cubexyz	if I write anything I test on openbsd as well as linux	May 21 01:26
MinceR	i wonder how will redhat/microsoft try to kill off the BSD-s	May 21 01:27
MinceR	maybe just close the last door in uefi and make them unbootable on uefi appliances	May 21 01:27
oiaohm	MinceR: redhat does not have to. Look what happen to freebsd with playstation 3	May 21 01:27
oiaohm	MinceR: lot of parties will use BSD and then submit absolutely nothing back.	May 21 01:28
MinceR	oiaohm: that has so far failed to kill bsd	May 21 01:28
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oiaohm	MinceR: it has meant that BSD is always suffering from poorer hardware support.	May 21 01:28
MinceR	our hardware is turning to shit anyway	May 21 01:28
cubexyz	the classic computing folks are still using PDP-11s so of course BSD is going to survive	May 21 01:29
MinceR	we have uefi, intel boot guard, intel me, amd psp	May 21 01:29
cubexyz	you could run openbsd on chromebook even	May 21 01:29
oiaohm	To be truthful I like arm psp where it a arm chip and you can decomplier what in heck it coded todo.	May 21 01:29
oiaohm	amd psp not arm psp.	May 21 01:30
MinceR	maybe they'll put some sort of DRM in drivers so even if you had full specs to the hw, you can't write a driver for it unless you decap all the dies and find the secret keys	May 21 01:30
cubexyz	I like BSD a lot, but for old loki games and old LGP games I'm going to use old Linux	May 21 01:30
MinceR	i'd prefer not having to decompile	May 21 01:30
cubexyz	can't use BSD for everything	May 21 01:30
MinceR	i'll have to try and build an FPGA-based computer	May 21 01:31
oiaohm	MinceR: compared to intel ME that is basically hey we make our own custom instruction sets.	May 21 01:31
oiaohm	MinceR: we already have signed firmware. That is holding DRM in the likes of Nvidia video cards.	May 21 01:32
cubexyz	opencores guarantees the survival of old BSD on FPGA	May 21 01:32
MinceR	oiaohm: at least that runs on the hw	May 21 01:33
cubexyz	as I said before, there's no doomsday scenario where M$ takes over everything	May 21 01:33
MinceR	there indeed is one	May 21 01:33
MinceR	m$ and/or crApple already have backdoored the entire IT infrastructure of at least one state	May 21 01:33
oiaohm	MinceR: no there is not hardware vendors are not interested in keeping on paying Microsoft either.	May 21 01:33
oiaohm	MinceR: google could do a doomsday.	May 21 01:34
MinceR	leaders of nazi hungary gloated about writing the text of laws on computers that crApple has root on and they do not	May 21 01:34
cubexyz	ok... the slackware peeps have a good text file about UEFI:	May 21 01:37
oiaohm	MinceR: https://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2017/05/03/a-free-upgrade-to-windows-10-pro-might-make-windows-s-laptops-worth-buying/ Of course they miss that Microsoft has had to give Windows S to hardware vendors for nothing.	May 21 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| A free upgrade to Windows 10 Pro might make Windows S laptops worth buying		May 21 01:37
cubexyz	http://bear.alienbase.nl/mirrors/slackware/slackware64-14.2/README_UEFI.TXT	May 21 01:37
MinceR	a "free" "upgrade"	May 21 01:37
MinceR	finally we have malware that can be "upgraded" "freely"!	May 21 01:37
oiaohm	MinceR: yep for school students to keep Microsoft in schools.	May 21 01:37
oiaohm	Microsoft is making a stack of different losses to maintain it position.	May 21 01:38
oiaohm	And those lose ammounts are increasing every year.	May 21 01:38
MinceR	and all of those losses are ours	May 21 01:38
MinceR	they forced us to buy TPMs in our business laptops	May 21 01:38
MinceR	they forced UEFI into our PCs	May 21 01:38
MinceR	they forced Restricted Boot into our PCs	May 21 01:38
MinceR	they forced their formats onto citizens by corrupting governments	May 21 01:39
MinceR	they forced their products on students	May 21 01:39
oiaohm	Thing to remember Microsoft has to get income to operate. So it has to recover money from somewhere.	May 21 01:41
MinceR	and so they have patent trolling	May 21 01:41
MinceR	and they have masses of people indoctrinated into microsoft crap	May 21 01:41
oiaohm	Why there were so many places still running XP because those were areas where Microsoft wants to get paid.	May 21 01:41
MinceR	no, that's because vista and later versions are somehow even more atrocious than xp	May 21 01:42
MinceR	somehow microsoft and apple always manages to find a way to make their products even shittier	May 21 01:42
MinceR	apparently the great potential in humanity is to find ways to make extremely shitty things even shittier	May 21 01:42
MinceR	somehow the bkk ticket vending machines detect whether you want to do something with the transaction you started but did not finish -- if you wanted to do something, they forget all the data immediately	May 21 01:43
MinceR	but if you walk off, it stays there forever	May 21 01:43
cubexyz	there's air gapped XP now	May 21 01:44
cubexyz	e.g. games	May 21 01:44
cubexyz	no wifi no internet	May 21 01:44
MinceR	it also has a broken banknote scanner, a broken qr code scanner, a touchscreen that doesn't work and it also can't do bank transactions properly	May 21 01:44
MinceR	windows needs one more air gap, at the power supply	May 21 01:44
cubexyz	don't look at me dude, I don't give M$ one cent :)	May 21 01:45
MinceR	and the people who force this shit on me also need an air gap in their food and water supply	May 21 01:45
MinceR	what used to be the most prestigious university in hungary now routinely tries to turn its students into vassals of microsoft	May 21 01:46
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep do note that apples EFI is that far broken installing another OS can brick it.	May 21 01:46
MinceR	samsung also developed a self-bricking uefi implementation	May 21 01:47
oiaohm	MinceR: that one was impressive.	May 21 01:47
MinceR	indeed	May 21 01:47
oiaohm	MinceR: no OS required.	May 21 01:47
MinceR	well, uefi is an OS unto itself	May 21 01:47
oiaohm	MinceR: and thinking they started with the intel reference UEFI implementation that worked.	May 21 01:48
MinceR	"worked"	May 21 01:48
cubexyz	you could KO the UEFI and switch to coreboot	May 21 01:48
MinceR	you could	May 21 01:48
oiaohm	MinceR: ie did not kill self.	May 21 01:48
MinceR	if intel didn't sabotage competition with boot guard	May 21 01:48
MinceR	microsoft has vassals in governments all over the word that ensures they can get money robbed from taxpayers sent to them any time	May 21 01:50
cubexyz	Sony was bad axing OtherOS option	May 21 01:52
MinceR	indeed	May 21 01:52
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cubexyz	I was sorry to see that... then the federal judge dismisses the lawsuit	May 21 01:52
MinceR	but it was of no use to them once they managed to get the suckers to pay for their shitty consoles expecting to run a real OS on them	May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/866093520959881221	May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Still thinking hard how to manage news postings about	May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	@linuxusergroup #gnu #linux	May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	Maybe something along the lines of RTing @tuxmachines on	May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	it all?	May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 01:52
MinceR	i missed that	May 21 01:52
MinceR	so i guess there are no "truth in advertisement" laws in effect in the usa anymore	May 21 01:53
MinceR	just like there are no antitrust laws that are enforced	May 21 01:53
cubexyz	you still can use OtherOS on early PlayStation 3's	May 21 01:53
cubexyz	just not newer ones	May 21 01:53
MinceR	until you use PSN	May 21 01:53
MinceR	which will then "upgrade" the system to break OtherOS	May 21 01:54
cubexyz	sony was weird... they actually had a PS2 Linux kit	May 21 01:54
MinceR	i wonder if they broke that too	May 21 01:54
oiaohm	MinceR: the PS2 kit still works.	May 21 01:55
cubexyz	Sony gave $55 to OtherOS users in a settlement	May 21 01:56
MinceR	> If you are using an Apple Intel Mac, DO NOT TRY TO	May 21 01:58
MinceR	> INSTALL A MENU ENTRY! It would probably brick your firmware requiring Apple	May 21 01:58
MinceR	> to service the machine to reflash the firmware.	May 21 01:58
MinceR	ah yes, the famous apple "quality"	May 21 01:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/bestariwebhost/status/866094306544713728	May 21 02:46
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Still thinking hard how to manage news postings about	May 21 02:46
TweetTuxMachines	@bestariwebhost #gnu #linux	May 21 02:46
TweetTuxMachines	Maybe something along the lines of RTing @tuxmachines on	May 21 02:46
TweetTuxMachines	it all?	May 21 02:46
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cubexyz	I can build APL\11 1976 edition on Unix v6	May 21 05:24
cubexyz	the simplest way to get programs into this version is to look at old APL\360 code	May 21 05:40
cubexyz	I got some code here from 1976 or 1977 but I haven't managed to get it to work	May 21 05:41
cubexyz	it's a real bother but I've started suffixing the APL programs with the year	May 21 05:44
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cubexyz	ah, glorious progress :)	May 21 06:23
cubexyz	didn't help that there was no documentation	May 21 06:24
cubexyz	this is actual 1975 APL code	May 21 06:25
cubexyz	pretty hard to decipher	May 21 06:26
cubexyz	at least I know what it is now	May 21 06:26
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/apl-1975-decimal-to-hex.txt	May 21 06:26
cubexyz	so to use it is dth followed by the decimal number you want converted to hex	May 21 06:27
cubexyz	e.g. dth 10 returns 0000000a	May 21 06:28
cubexyz	still not sure what the other programs do	May 21 06:29
cubexyz	except that htd converts hex to decimal	May 21 06:30
cubexyz	with htd it is necessary to bracket the argument with K's	May 21 06:39
cubexyz	so:	May 21 06:39
cubexyz	htd K100K returns 256 as expected	May 21 06:39
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/apl-1975-running-on-unix-5a.png	May 21 06:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/omponk_32/status/866224988558213120	May 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by PCLinuxOS Roll-Up Release: Another Linux installed on my	May 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@omponk_32 new notebook https://t.co/3PSEY4zMpe	May 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/N2LdPiKF4r	May 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| PCLinuxOS Roll-Up Release: Another Linux installed on my new notebook \| Tux Machines		May 21 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: PCLinuxOS Roll-Up Release: Another Linux installed on my new notebook https://t.co/3PSEY4zMpe https://t.co/N2LdPiKF4r		May 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866225821882621952	May 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	#Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shields	May 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bdogsesbXw (linuxgizmos.com) #linux	May 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 10:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866225941021835264	May 21 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	NHS mulling Ubuntu switch after Windows XP fail?	May 21 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/M53wBJde6L (www.trustedreviews.com)	May 21 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	#nhs already uses #gnu #linux at back end. Why not	May 21 10:55
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TweetTuxMachines	desktops too?	May 21 10:55
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866231241015676928	May 21 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shields	May 21 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/giwyGrnc5j (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 10:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866231242160611328	May 21 12:16
TweetTuxMachines	Wine Staging 2.7 https://t.co/oPb6VcftLi	May 21 12:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 12:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866279213334011904	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	How about this? Starting next month, GNU/Linux news	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	typically posted by @tuxmachines then just RTd/shared by	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	me? To avoid dupes...	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866283306395893760	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	For many years (over a decade) I kept abreast of	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux news, but it's time to partly move on and pass	May 21 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	the baton to @tuxmachines mostly	May 21 14:23
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @JulianAssange Sweden has harmed its reputation by...'		May 21 14:38
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @JulianAssange Sweden has harmed its...'		May 21 14:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866287989655130113	May 21 14:43
TweetTuxMachines	Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the	May 21 14:43
TweetTuxMachines	Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C	May 21 14:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/aTLeWswGIu	May 21 14:44
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop \| Tux Machines		May 21 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C https://t.co/aTLeWswGIu		May 21 14:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/io_r_us/status/866288445869764608	May 21 15:14
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the	May 21 15:14
TweetTuxMachines	@io_r_us Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C	May 21 15:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/aTLeWswGIu	May 21 15:14
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 15:14
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity @VincentKompany Once again, within just minutes, ...'		May 21 15:16
MinceR	http://www.rejectedprincesses.com/princesses/sutematsu-oyama	May 21 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rejectedprincesses.com \| Sutematsu Oyama: Japan's First College-Educated Woman		May 21 15:26
MinceR	https://twitter.com/dotMudge/status/865985007428313088	May 21 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dotMudge: During early L0pht days I was a Unix admin for ~50 DoD/USG systems. The government would not let me make needed changes to secure them (1/N)		May 21 15:32
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity This certainly is an appetiser for next...'		May 21 15:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866306988526911490	May 21 15:58
TweetTuxMachines	5 reasons the D programming language is a great choice	May 21 15:58
TweetTuxMachines	for development https://t.co/1PEBhR93wv (opensource.com)	May 21 15:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307136216748033	May 21 15:58
TweetTuxMachines	#gnome 3.26 Developments	May 21 15:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/tsZLxopKdp (blogs.gnome.org)	May 21 15:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307218034970624	May 21 15:59
TweetTuxMachines	“Meson is definitely getting more traction in GNOME (and	May 21 15:59
TweetTuxMachines	other projects), with many components adding support for”	May 21 15:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/EXS2cqzydo (www.bassi.io)	May 21 15:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307392731881472	May 21 15:59
TweetTuxMachines	Brisk Menu 0.4.0 Is Out with Super Key Support, Adapts to	May 21 15:59
TweetTuxMachines	Vertical Panel Layouts https://t.co/BrnYSCMHs8	May 21 15:59
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	May 21 15:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307430149275648	May 21 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	Total War: #SHOGUN 2 & Fall of the Samurai Launch on	May 21 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	#Linux and #SteamOS on May 23 https://t.co/dtYqrNYZOz	May 21 16:00
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	May 21 16:00
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/SlrD5Dv.jpg	May 21 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307610751811584	May 21 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the	May 21 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	#Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/PNr62oz1QU	May 21 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	May 21 16:18
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 16:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866312139786539008	May 21 16:19
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Releases: 4.11.2, 4.10.17, 4.9.29, 4.4.69, 3.18.53	May 21 16:19
TweetTuxMachines	and 3.18.54 https://t.co/PU6bNtX01i (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 16:19
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 16:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity What a moment. Who in Watford would...'		May 21 16:21
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Chelsea has shed light on shady dealings...'		May 21 16:21
MinceR	https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/18/dell_bios_update_borks_pcs/	May 21 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Dell BIOS update borks PCs • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/qwgav ]		May 21 16:31
MinceR	https://twitter.com/pixelnull/status/866266179702333440	May 21 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixelnull: This gif of Bannon scared to death is now my favorite thing on the internet. https://t.co/zLUsJJAEoa		May 21 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixelnull: This gif of Bannon scared to death is now my favorite thing on the internet. https://t.co/zLUsJJAEoa		May 21 16:32
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Chelsea has shed light on...'		May 21 16:39
*TweetTuxMachines @debexpert favourited 'NHS mulling Ubuntu switch after Windows XP fail?...'		May 21 16:40
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity City the kings of possession this season,...'		May 21 16:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866320337490722816	May 21 16:51
TweetTuxMachines	Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017	May 21 16:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/r394ZqSYgM (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 16:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1BlQAkyCpZ	May 21 16:51
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 16:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866328749167452161	May 21 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	KDE Leftovers https://t.co/aKvOP8d1qd	May 21 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 17:25
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 17:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329135164960769	May 21 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	Getting Free Software into our users’ hands	May 21 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6KntnWghZR (www.proli.net)	May 21 17:26
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proli.net \| Getting Free Software into our users’ hands \| TheBlindCow		May 21 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329425226326017	May 21 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps to Remotely	May 21 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	Access a Computer https://t.co/9sE54WhfIy	May 21 17:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.maketecheasier.com)	May 21 17:27
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 17:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329674816774145	May 21 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017	May 21 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Oiq3JBeLRJ (www.techradar.com)	May 21 17:55
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 17:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @jesusguevarauto favourited '5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps...'		May 21 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/jesusguevarauto/status/866336581963173888	May 21 17:56
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by 5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps to Remotely	May 21 17:56
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto Access a Computer https://t.co/9sE54WhfIy	May 21 17:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.maketecheasier.com)	May 21 17:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited '5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps...'		May 21 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866345103073333248	May 21 18:30
TweetTuxMachines	White House Tech Policy Brought by Microsoft	May 21 18:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/r9B0IMZPFf (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 21 18:31
TweetTuxMachines		May 21 18:31
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/d8NMbcE.jpg	May 21 18:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Australia is far too keen and even...'		May 21 18:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Brisk Menu 0.4.0 Is Out with Super Key...'		May 21 19:59
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Total War: #SHOGUN 2 & Fall of the...'		May 21 21:20
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/transubstantiation	May 21 21:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866426901992099840	May 21 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Media and Staff Association Elections at #EPO and #WIPO	May 21 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Are Compromised https://t.co/1tf4ZVxXga (techrights.org)	May 21 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	#gurry #battistelli	May 21 23:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866426965233770496	May 21 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by The wait is over. #epo news announcements are published	May 21 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines in #techrights before the EPO gets to it	May 21 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fnAa3BN5ln (techrights.org) #eia17	May 21 23:58
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cubexyz	what are you going to trust for long term storage, magnetic media?	May 22 00:04
MinceR	whatever it is, it should probably copied to newer media every now and then	May 22 00:05
MinceR	other than that, perhaps something like M-DISC	May 22 00:05
cubexyz	paper will last for over 100 years	May 22 00:05
MinceR	also, possibly multiple technologies at the same time	May 22 00:05
MinceR	paper is heavy, bulky and a nightmare to manage	May 22 00:05
MinceR	even if you print something like QR codes, the data density is abysmal	May 22 00:06
cubexyz	m-disc sure	May 22 00:06
cubexyz	a ten pack is about $60 CAN though	May 22 00:07
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cubexyz	the m-disc drives are only around $39.99	May 22 00:09
oiaohm	cubexyz: paper correctly handed lasts about 1000 years. Its the ink that normally comes problemmatic.	May 22 00:10
cubexyz	I've seen parts of paper dissolve	May 22 00:11
oiaohm	cubexyz: note the correctly handled bit.	May 22 00:12
cubexyz	this happened with an old science book I have from the mid-1970s	May 22 00:12
oiaohm	cubexyz: there are rules of archives if they are obeyed include no human allow to touch the paper the life span is very much expanded.	May 22 00:12
cubexyz	no text was lost though	May 22 00:12
cubexyz	well the only reason we still have Unix version 1 is because of paper	May 22 00:13
cubexyz	some early computers used paper tape	May 22 00:13
cubexyz	anyways, for video m-disc is probably the way to go	May 22 00:14
cubexyz	I was merely thinking about preserving old source code	May 22 00:14
cubexyz	I lost some important executables for the commodore 64, but I printed the source code out over 30 years ago	May 22 00:15
oiaohm	There is a theory calcuation that a A4 page printed could hold a max of 293mb uncompressed data.	May 22 00:15
oiaohm	That is double sided of course.	May 22 00:16
oiaohm	and scan that would be trouble.	May 22 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866428048643469313	May 22 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Documents Help Demonstrate That #ILO Delivers	May 22 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Institutional Injustice to #EPO Employees and Cushions	May 22 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	#Battistelli https://t.co/LsAD9MW03d (techrights.org)	May 22 00:16
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oiaohm	So it yes you can put 293mb of data on a bit of A4 but then have nothing to read it back.	May 22 00:17
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cubexyz	given the expensive of m-disc some folks might just copy all their discs every few years	May 22 00:19
cubexyz	s/expensive/expense/	May 22 00:19
oiaohm	m-disc are good tech it going to be great when the patent expires and we have competition in production.	May 22 00:20
oiaohm	cubexyz: 2030 is when the m-disc patents give up the ghost.	May 22 00:22
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timet_2	hello everyone	May 22 00:57
timet_2	does anyone know where I can get more info on software reviews for A+ Practice test?	May 22 00:58
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cubexyz	so patient	May 22 01:01
cubexyz	not a great test btw	May 22 01:06
cubexyz	very superficial	May 22 01:07
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TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by LEAKED: European Inventor Award Finalists, or Stooges	May 22 01:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Whom the Tyrant #Battistelli Exploits	May 22 01:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fnAa3BN5ln (techrights.org) #eia17	May 22 01:39
TweetTuxMachines	Finalists. #epo	May 22 01:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866453507116683264	May 22 02:05
TweetTuxMachines	The way I think division of topics (and 'labour') would	May 22 02:05
TweetTuxMachines	work best is, my account will post non-Linux things and	May 22 02:05
TweetTuxMachines	only RT @tuxmachines on GNU*	May 22 02:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866482263583637504	May 22 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	#Lubuntu Vs. #Xubuntu https://t.co/gajL367hSV	May 22 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #lxde #xfce #gnu #linux #ubuntu	May 22 03:35
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TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers https://t.co/QAurqKHKJk	May 22 03:36
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TweetTuxMachines	Lubuntu Vs. Xubuntu https://t.co/FJWXxgdmhF	May 22 03:38
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TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 03:39
TweetTuxMachines	#howto #gnu #linux #cli	May 22 03:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB #howto #gnu #linux #cli'		May 22 03:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Lubuntu Vs. #Xubuntu https://t.co/gajL367hSV #lxde #xfce #gnu #linux...'		May 22 03:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866486606445789186	May 22 03:51
TweetTuxMachines	Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399	May 22 03:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/rU1GS1ITzI (tuxmachines.org) #windows not	May 22 03:51
TweetTuxMachines	even an option. #ubuntu #gnu #linux	May 22 03:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866486756358578176	May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399	May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/rU1GS1ITzI (tuxmachines.org) #windows not	May 22 04:09
TweetTuxMachines	even an option. #ubuntu #gnu #linux	May 22 04:09
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TweetTuxMachines	Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399	May 22 04:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866494706489843712	May 22 04:24
TweetTuxMachines	#TinkerOS #Android 13.11.0.4 Released	May 22 04:24
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zXWd7NeP1d (tuxmachines.org) #linux #asus	May 22 04:24
TweetTuxMachines	#debian #tinkerboard #hardware #freesw	May 22 04:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866498817763319810	May 22 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	#Development and #Programming: #Hugo , #Jekyll , #Dlang ,	May 22 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	and #Kotlin https://t.co/SuSgMDvUWq (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	#android #freesw	May 22 04:40
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Development and #Programming: #Hugo , #Jekyll , #Dlang...'		May 22 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866499136983515136	May 22 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	TinkerOS Android 13.11.0.4 Released	May 22 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/yIDrBvmBGL (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 04:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866499139189604352	May 22 04:50
TweetTuxMachines	Development and Programming: Hugo, Jekyll, D, and Kotlin	May 22 04:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/654mBc9aMz (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 04:50
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TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)	May 22 04:50
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/4ssP9qwiPJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 04:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866501839583297537	May 22 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside	May 22 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv (tuxmachines.org) #freesw	May 22 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	#fuchsia #armadillo #google	May 22 04:52
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TweetTuxMachines	#UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past	May 22 05:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TXV9cDMR9e (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #mate	May 22 05:09
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #review #freedw #darkduck	May 22 05:09
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past...'		May 22 05:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866507110254649344	May 22 05:12
TweetTuxMachines	Imagine an Android Phone Without Linux Inside	May 22 05:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/w0Y58q0nXG (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 05:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866507114356678656	May 22 05:48
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu MATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past	May 22 05:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866515962354323456	May 22 05:49
TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers: All Versions of #Windows	May 22 05:49
TweetTuxMachines	Compromised, #WannaCry Keeps Going	May 22 05:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sAH66hVj8r (tuxmachines.org) #microsoft	May 22 05:49
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: All Versions of #Windows Compromised, #WannaCry...'		May 22 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866519490854477827	May 22 06:02
TweetTuxMachines	@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of	May 22 06:02
TweetTuxMachines	money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwart	May 22 06:02
TweetTuxMachines	justice	May 22 06:02
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:02
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:02
*TweetTuxMachines @MakeamGrate retweeted @tuxmachines: '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:02
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866520005696921600	May 22 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	#CloudReady - #Chromebook re-experienced	May 22 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Xi22iwUmnX (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux	May 22 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	#gentoo #google #chromiumos #review	May 22 06:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @AmeliaReinhart favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#CloudReady - #Chromebook re-experienced https://t.co/Xi22iwUmnX #gnu #linux...'		May 22 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866520788022607872	May 22 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward	May 22 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@snowden when he leaked state abuses	May 22 06:07
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 06:07
cubexyz	willing?	May 22 06:12
cubexyz	methinks that's a typo	May 22 06:12
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 06:15
cubexyz	interesting bit about early computer displays...	May 22 06:15
cubexyz	the earliest ones were circular and they used electrostatic deflection to steer the electrons	May 22 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866522894154604545	May 22 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	Software: #Linfo, #EasyTag, #SimpleScan, #Albert, #VLC,	May 22 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	#RemoteDesktop, #Frogr, #BriskMenu, and #OpenShot	May 22 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kDJZlWjxWS (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:16
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cubexyz	there were hortizontal deflection electrodes and vertical ones	May 22 06:16
cubexyz	horizontal rather	May 22 06:17
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #Linfo, #EasyTag, #SimpleScan, #Albert, #VLC, #RemoteDesktop, #Frogr,...'		May 22 06:17
cubexyz	the tech was limited so the screen was circular (also the tubes were smaller)	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523410121187331	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	Security Leftovers: All Versions of Windows Compromised,	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	WannaCry Keeps Going https://t.co/26j1PV02xW	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 06:17
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MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/O1LYn	May 22 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's my cake day! World's Finest (Batman Adventures) - Album on Imgur		May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523418593705984	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	CloudReady - Chromebook re-experienced	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/JAtd0eqm9h (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NpqLWjE5qM	May 22 06:17
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CloudReady - Chromebook re-experienced \| Tux Machines		May 22 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: CloudReady - Chromebook re-experienced https://t.co/JAtd0eqm9h https://t.co/NpqLWjE5qM		May 22 06:17
cubexyz	later on the CRTs used electromagnetic deflection	May 22 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523421110185984	May 22 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	Software: Linfo, EasyTag, Simple Scan, Albert, VLC,	May 22 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	Remote Desktop, Frogr, Brisk Menu, and OpenShot	May 22 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YBbps34dFw (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:19
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 06:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @twsgy retweeted @tuxmachines: '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 06:20
*TweetTuxMachines @lightbkey favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 06:22
*TweetTuxMachines @LizRao4 favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'		May 22 06:35
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wisdom	May 22 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com \| Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Wisdom		May 22 06:37
*TweetTuxMachines @mawi2tu favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:38
*TweetTuxMachines @UTHornsRawk favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 06:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866528954986840064	May 22 06:40
TweetTuxMachines	More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E	May 22 06:40
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #howto #unix #gnu #linux #freesw	May 22 06:40
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 06:40
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E #howto #unix #gnu...'		May 22 06:45
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E #howto #unix #gnu...'		May 22 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531524165881857	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	#distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux #rosa #review	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 06:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531582324101120	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	More of today's howtos https://t.co/3503FBBPhH	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 06:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531596047761408	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/LCuJM2M0l8	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/Jw1EuGGoXf	May 22 06:50
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 06:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux...'		May 22 06:52
MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAZmdkBU0AAV5Hr.jpg:large	May 22 06:58
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: '#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux...'		May 22 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866534913092182018	May 22 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	#Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS,	May 22 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL https://t.co/Um9ATxswhQ	May 22 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org)	May 22 07:03
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @gbmrhino favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 07:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS, Linux...'		May 22 07:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866536974441627648	May 22 07:11
TweetTuxMachines	@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame	May 22 07:11
TweetTuxMachines	WikiLeaks for "hacking" and the recent events present	May 22 07:11
TweetTuxMachines	opportunity for this illusion	May 22 07:11
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:11
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:11
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:12
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866537391749644289	May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall	May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features	May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jDz5rgHKNU (tuxmachines.org) #security	May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw	May 22 07:13
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:13
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*TweetTuxMachines @tinastullracing favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:15
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall Tackles...'		May 22 07:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866539384815759361	May 22 07:21
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel Space: HMM, Cloud Native, Linux 4.12, TFS, Linux	May 22 07:21
TweetTuxMachines	4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL https://t.co/6iL6cktB0h	May 22 07:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 07:21
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866539393355440128	May 22 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles	May 22 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	Bufferbloat, Adds New Features https://t.co/HAUSa7jx6e	May 22 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/VDuZSEDZ5U	May 22 07:27
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features \| Tux Machines		May 22 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features https://t.co/HAUSa7jx6e https://t.co/VDuZSEDZ5U		May 22 07:27
*TweetTuxMachines @RocketRaccoon76 favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866541687044059136	May 22 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental and	May 22 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	physical erosion) helps drive some people to depression,	May 22 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	suicide, lack of productivity (twitter.com)	May 22 07:30
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:30
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 07:30
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 07:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/lordbaco/status/866543549155864576	May 22 07:49
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside	May 22 07:49
TweetTuxMachines	@lordbaco https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv (tuxmachines.org) #freesw	May 22 07:49
TweetTuxMachines	#fuchsia #armadillo #google	May 22 07:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| Imagine an Android Phone Without Linux Inside \| Tux Machines		May 22 07:50
*TweetTuxMachines @Love_The_Donald favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	@alastair_hm https://twitter.com/alastair_hm/status/866547665751990272	May 22 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	The latest Latest Linux Daily Lowdown!	May 22 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Xj9rGRGnAp (paper.li) Thanks to @Rammy7219	May 22 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines @linuxsound #linux #kernel	May 22 07:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 https://twitter.com/FreeThree333/status/866547775751634944	May 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines @wikileaks It's what these sick bastards in	May 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	power are trying to do. #BoycottUK #FreeAssange	May 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	#SafePassage4Assange	May 22 07:55
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 07:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 08:02
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall Tackles...'		May 22 08:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 08:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '#Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS, Linux...'		May 22 08:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux...'		May 22 08:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @Good2bqueen67 favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/RYindiefilm/status/866550300643086336	May 22 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past	May 22 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	@RYindiefilm https://t.co/TXV9cDMR9e (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #mate	May 22 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #review #freedw #darkduck	May 22 08:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @st_thecla30 favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 08:15
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 08:28
*TweetTuxMachines @tradesonly favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tradesonly/status/866558617561972736	May 22 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of	May 22 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tradesonly money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwart	May 22 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	justice	May 22 08:37
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 08:37
*TweetTuxMachines @EngineerEarth favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/vee_liang/status/866566302311227392	May 22 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the	May 22 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	@vee_liang Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C	May 22 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/aTLeWswGIu	May 22 09:17
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop \| Tux Machines		May 22 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C https://t.co/aTLeWswGIu		May 22 09:17
*TweetTuxMachines @FirstWillisCrew favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 09:27
*TweetTuxMachines @joe_hinder favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 09:30
*TweetTuxMachines @PressKek favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 10:01
*TweetTuxMachines @dzikaanda favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/cooluser51/status/866581517849563136	May 22 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of	May 22 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	@cooluser51 money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwart	May 22 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	justice	May 22 10:08
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 10:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @cooluser51 favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'		May 22 10:53
*TweetTuxMachines @OscarFields12 favourited 'Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds...'		May 22 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	@MaryCass95 https://twitter.com/MaryCass95/status/866593587798134784	May 22 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 @tuxmachines @wikileaks Agreed. Trying to	May 22 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	make an example of him so no others follow suit. That the	May 22 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	risk will be to high. Cant (twitter.com) boycott UK tho i	May 22 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	live here 😄😄🖒	May 22 11:06
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866596136227717120	May 22 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	How To Encrypt DNS Traffic In Linux Using DNSCrypt	May 22 11:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/gHhZds6SBw (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 11:09
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How To Encrypt DNS Traffic In Linux Using DNSCrypt \| Tux Machines		May 22 11:09
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds...'		May 22 11:09
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall Tackles...'		May 22 11:34
*TweetTuxMachines @Dcdale9Dale favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 11:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @Cappagrigia favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'		May 22 12:22
*TweetTuxMachines @JoyMarie007 favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 22 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 https://twitter.com/JoyMarie007/status/866615275659067392	May 22 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @tuxmachines @wikileaks It's what these sick bastards in	May 22 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	@JoyMarie007 power are trying to do. #BoycottUK #FreeAssange	May 22 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	#SafePassage4Assange	May 22 12:39
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 12:39
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		May 22 13:31
*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		May 22 13:31
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/Kayihan1/status/866567357078142976	May 22 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Kayihan1: @Terianniaraq @schestowitz @wikileaks @JulianAssange theres a thing called government, and then theres a little thing called autocracy.		May 22 13:33
redsnapper4point	A position as an active legal counsel seems to contradict the impartiality that has to be expected from the President of any court, including the ILO AT.	May 22 13:35
redsnapper4point	I include the link to MCE Avocats. Kind regards, Red Snapper	May 22 13:36
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		May 22 17:23
*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		May 22 17:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866695417005613056	May 22 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/ynxNOcxomx	May 22 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	May 22 17:42
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tizen News: Phones and TVs \| Tux Machines		May 22 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866695772481306625	May 22 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69Ss	May 22 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #tizen #linux #samsung #india #tv #gnu	May 22 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw #korea	May 22 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| Tizen News: Phones and TVs \| Tux Machines		May 22 17:44
TweetTuxMachines		May 22 17:44
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69Ss #tizen #linux...'		May 22 17:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69Ss #tizen #linux...'		May 22 17:49
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@MaryCass95 @tuxmachines @wikileaks I'd boycott my country for...'		May 22 17:56
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sebsebseb	hi	May 22 17:56
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 22 17:56
sebsebseb	MinceR: ping	May 22 17:56
sebsebseb	schestowitz: ping	May 22 17:56
sebsebseb	cubexyz: ping	May 22 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866699283768135680	May 22 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	OSS Leftovers https://t.co/YKztdCextB (tuxmachines.org)	May 22 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw #sharing #reactos #sprint #tensorflow #riot	May 22 17:57
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razielle_tzu	yes sebsebseb?	May 22 17:57
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: :(	May 22 17:57
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: seems one of my phones has been binned, not by me	May 22 17:58
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razielle_tzu	oh dear	May 22 17:58
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah was on the chest of draws that got moved	May 22 17:58
sebsebseb	and was probably another bin bag or more in there too, that I didn't check !	May 22 17:59
razielle_tzu	this is why i don't let other people sort my stuff out	May 22 18:00
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I didn't !	May 22 18:00
sebsebseb	I didn't let her!	May 22 18:00
sebsebseb	I had no choice !	May 22 18:00
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: plus she took the oppertunity to mess around with stuff, when I am not in there !	May 22 18:01
razielle_tzu	:/	May 22 18:01
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: should have moved it off the chest of draws really, but didn't think lilke that at hte time, I knew she wanted to move it	May 22 18:02
razielle_tzu	was this in your room or somewhere else?	May 22 18:02
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: and its as s3 mini so its small	May 22 18:02
sebsebseb	yeah in my room	May 22 18:02
razielle_tzu	o.O	May 22 18:02
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: pm me	May 22 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866699450940407808	May 22 18:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz #freesw #sharing #reactos #sprint #tensorflow #riot	May 22 18:14
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TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers: #WCry / #Ransomwar, #WannaCry,	May 22 18:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866724113645056000	May 22 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	@WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's media	May 22 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	for Wall Street now openly endorses breaking intl' law.	May 22 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	What next? Suggest arming ISIS (twitter.com) (NYT did	May 22 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	it)?	May 22 19:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@PABHERE Bufferbloat, Adds New Features https://t.co/HAUSa7jx6e	May 22 23:18
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cubexyz	well, I can safely say why the unix v5 disk image didn't have any man pages	May 23 00:05
cubexyz	it's the rk05 disk size of 2.5 megs	May 23 00:06
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cubexyz	ok, all the v6 man pages are 1057 blocks	May 23 00:26
cubexyz	ok, so in the future I'll have a disk just for man pages	May 23 00:27
cubexyz	right now I'm using /usr/local for a lot of stuff	May 23 00:29
cubexyz	there's no way in the v5 era they could have fit all the source code and everything else on one rk05 drive	May 23 00:30
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TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jDz5rgHKNU (tuxmachines.org) #security	May 23 00:59
TweetTuxMachines	#freesw	May 23 00:59
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oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RK05 got your size wrong. The non removable rk05 was 5megs	May 23 01:40
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oiaohm	cubexyz: even at 5 megs it kinda pushing it up hill.	May 23 01:41
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cubexyz	oiaohm, no	May 23 04:07
cubexyz	it's 14" IBM-2315 style with 2.5 megs of storage	May 23 04:07
cubexyz	that's what we used for Unix v5	May 23 04:08
cubexyz	there was a RK05F but the driver is for RK05	May 23 04:09
cubexyz	maybe I could compile the rf.c driver though	May 23 04:12
cubexyz	4872 blocks of 512 bytes to be exact	May 23 04:18
cubexyz	even DEC RP series drives could be used	May 23 04:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: the RK05F was the non removable a 5 megs. Some models that thing appear as 2 RK05 2.5 discs.	May 23 04:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: I know the RK05F well because I was using them in highschool.	May 23 04:27
cubexyz	DEC RP03 was an IBM 2314 clone	May 23 04:27
oiaohm	cubexyz: the IBM 2315 is single side media there were a few hacks to make it double sided.	May 23 04:29
cubexyz	I could have 40 megs with the RP03	May 23 04:29
cubexyz	but the original unix v5 disk image is an rk05 disk image, so I used that	May 23 04:30
cubexyz	all emulated of course	May 23 04:30
cubexyz	what was the RK05F connected to? Some unibus PDP-11 I assume?	May 23 04:32
oiaohm	cubexyz: IBM XT by the time I got there.	May 23 04:32
oiaohm	cubexyz: of course that was interface because the first system it had been hooked to was long gone.	May 23 04:33
oiaohm	cubexyz: I cannot remember the OS there was an OS that could not address the 5 meg disc and that is why the RK05F has a split mode.	May 23 04:34
cubexyz	hmmm, I didn't know there was a controller for that	May 23 04:34
oiaohm	cubexyz: its a data recovery controller.	May 23 04:34
cubexyz	there was an RK11 (for PDP-11 unibus) and an RK8E (for PDP-8)	May 23 04:36
oiaohm	cubexyz: Osprey ISA card takes all the RK05 drives include RK05F drives.	May 23 04:38
oiaohm	Of course finding one of those cards these days is hard work.	May 23 04:39
cubexyz	hmmm, there's an Osprey/PC as well	May 23 04:40
cubexyz	executes PDP-11 programs directly	May 23 04:41
cubexyz	way cheaper than trying to keep a real PDP-11	May 23 04:42
cubexyz	not as fun as a real PDP-11, but more practical	May 23 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/866839585879334912	May 23 04:43
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cubexyz	of course an FPGA would be the more modern way to go	May 23 04:44
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.strobedata.com/home/ospreyguide.html they do a stack of cards include the all important Real I/O Adapters	May 23 04:44
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cubexyz	ah, they are using FPGA as well	May 23 04:45
cubexyz	too expensive I bet	May 23 04:46
oiaohm	RK05 is unibus card of theirs you need.	May 23 04:46
oiaohm	cubexyz: there is quite a lot you can hook up to a PC if you have the right cards.	May 23 04:48
cubexyz	no, I'm only using simh for everything :)	May 23 04:49
cubexyz	I don't own a real RK05 or a real PDP-11	May 23 04:49
oiaohm	Please note we had the unibus card so the XT was not running any PDP-11 it was running dos software to read PDP-11 formated discs.	May 23 04:50
oiaohm	And some other odd custom OS formated discs as well.	May 23 04:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically my brain worked for a min and I remembered the brand.	May 23 04:52
cubexyz	strobe data in redmond :-/	May 23 04:52
cubexyz	you know what that means	May 23 04:53
cubexyz	migration to windows only	May 23 04:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: there might be other brands. I just know what I used. The old ISA from them work with dos.	May 23 04:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: including freedos.	May 23 04:55
cubexyz	maybe, maybe	May 23 04:56
cubexyz	very appropriate that their logo is a bird of prey :-/	May 23 04:59
cubexyz	usually I just use simh and hercules for the classic computing stuff	May 23 04:59
cubexyz	simh does PDP-11, IBM 1130, vax, interdata	May 23 05:01
cubexyz	but if you had a real RK05 you'd need something like the osprey stuff to archive the data	May 23 05:01
cubexyz	not going to run my nice FOSS Unix v5 on windows, no way	May 23 05:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@BakerPaul_JoAnn https://twitter.com/BakerPaul_JoAnn/status/866923939074723845	May 23 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 @MaryCass95 @tuxmachines @wikileaks How?	May 23 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	Looking 4new ways. I already boycott everything I can in	May 23 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	this failed Hollywood States (twitter.com) of American	May 23 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	Propaganda, Master Global Terrorist.	May 23 10:01
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MinceR	hypePhones are beyond repair anyway :>	May 23 19:14
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TweetTuxMachines	Major changes when back home	May 23 20:15
TweetTuxMachines	1. Rianne will take over more @tuxmachines duty	May 23 20:15
TweetTuxMachines	2. I won't be keeping up as much with (1)	May 23 20:15
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sebsebseb	hi	May 23 20:21
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 23 20:21
razielle_tzu	'sup?	May 23 20:22
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yep binned phone it does indeed seem	May 23 20:23
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: however can get replacement device online. I know its old now, but that was my first smart phone !	May 23 20:23
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TweetTuxMachines	#Linux Devices: #RaspberryPi, #PIC32, #LimeMicro	May 23 20:53
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MinceR	http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40012987	May 23 20:59
MinceR	so much for the "new" nokia	May 23 20:59
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 23 21:17
razielle_tzu	o7	May 23 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867106495476883456	May 23 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Devices: Raspberry Pi, PIC32, Lime Micro	May 23 21:18
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah can buy a replacement online, I know its a old phone now, but was my first smart phone	May 23 21:18
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: also of course my data that wasn't backed up will still be lost	May 23 21:19
razielle_tzu	always back up or at least store the sd card you should keep everything on somewhere safe instead of in the phone if you're not using it	May 23 21:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867112552727171072	May 23 21:19
TweetTuxMachines	#Galicia continues promotion of free software	May 23 21:19
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/44344bQUdr (tuxmachines.org) #freesw #spain	May 23 21:19
TweetTuxMachines	#freedom #sharing #europe	May 23 21:19
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yes might be better to put phtoos etc on sim card, I thought on phone was ok, but then this...	May 23 21:20
sebsebseb	uj	May 23 21:20
sebsebseb	uh	May 23 21:21
razielle_tzu	the sim card is a different card to an sd card..	May 23 21:21
razielle_tzu	sims are barely even able to hold contacts now	May 23 21:21
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Galicia continues promotion of free software https://t.co/44344bQUdr #freesw...'		May 23 21:21
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah sd card, is for data, sim for network	May 23 21:21
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: may be better to start doing sommething like that	May 23 21:21
sebsebseb	takes this ubuntu meizu mx 4 for example	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	now I got a load of stuff on the phone, but	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	ubuntu touch is about to die	May 23 21:22
razielle_tzu	so i heard	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	no more updates, nothing, security the lot	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	a fork would need re flashing	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	so losing things on phone!	May 23 21:22
sebsebseb	not sure how to back this up	May 23 21:22
razielle_tzu	transfer any actual data on it to another storage device using mtp or whatever	May 23 21:23
razielle_tzu	the software doesn't really matter	May 23 21:23
razielle_tzu	hell use s/ftp to do the transfer or dropbox or another internet based storage	May 23 21:24
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: not sured how to transfer texts from it	May 23 21:24
razielle_tzu	depends on how they're stored	May 23 21:24
MinceR	TENSO >> http://imgur.com/gallery/Of0YK	May 23 21:24
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razielle_tzu	sometimes there's a folder in / that stores them you can export	May 23 21:25
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah in the writeable space some wehre	May 23 21:25
sebsebseb	sojme how	May 23 21:25
razielle_tzu	but i don't know the touch filesystem	May 23 21:25
razielle_tzu	so i can't give you a location to look for	May 23 21:25
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: also meant to replace this phone really in a way soon since that	May 23 21:25
sebsebseb	I don't think a fork will be ready enough in time ubports	May 23 21:25
sebsebseb	ready enough as in useable enough etc as well	May 23 21:25
razielle_tzu	the only fork i'm aware of still needs alpha testing	May 23 21:26
sebsebseb	yeah ubports ?	May 23 21:26
razielle_tzu	i can't remember the name of it	May 23 21:26
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: also since its the mx 4, and its the same plan as if Canonical had continued it seems or baically	May 23 21:26
sebsebseb	will only get seucrity updates	May 23 21:26
sebsebseb	no new features	May 23 21:26
sebsebseb	since older phone	May 23 21:27
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: really Salifish OS can do most stuff	May 23 21:27
sebsebseb	even run android apps	May 23 21:27
sebsebseb	but going from this to the jolla as my main phone, wouldl be a hardware down grade	May 23 21:27
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: a sony xperia should be cojming out with it at like end of june	May 23 21:27
razielle_tzu	despite the mediocre specs i'm actually quite happy with my samsung j3	May 23 21:28
sebsebseb	and there's a salifish os aquafish that can get on ebay from india even	May 23 21:28
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah j3 is a older one as well I think? what year ?	May 23 21:28
MinceR	yeah, systemd and proprietary gui	May 23 21:28
MinceR	no thanks	May 23 21:28
sebsebseb	the s3 mini was good enough as a phone really, probably more than really	May 23 21:28
sebsebseb	but then went down the android altenriavets route	May 23 21:28
razielle_tzu	the j3 isn't that old, i think it was last year	May 23 21:29
sebsebseb	also I wanted a nexus 7 really	May 23 21:29
sebsebseb	MinceR: only Linux altenraigve player left	May 23 21:29
sebsebseb	really	May 23 21:29
sebsebseb	MinceR: unless you in clude tizen	May 23 21:29
sebsebseb	and this isn't incudling any forks, so the cyanmmod fork is out, but thats just android with some changes anyway really	May 23 21:29
MinceR	tizen is cancerd as well	May 23 21:30
MinceR	everything is going to shit	May 23 21:30
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well she's got extra money, once can confirm better that its really been binned or whatever, she would buy me a replacement one or whatever I guess	May 23 21:30
sebsebseb	but data still gone! as I put bove	May 23 21:31
sebsebseb	above	May 23 21:31
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: as for a sd card its not ideal either, small things	May 23 21:31
sebsebseb	can get lost as a result	May 23 21:31
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: maybe the cloud isn't so stupid after all, depending on the service, afer all, for certain stuff	May 23 21:31
razielle_tzu	i keep mine in a case in one spot of my desk and everything on them is on usb drives, my main pc and at least one cloud storage option	May 23 21:32
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I think some of my usb sticks with data on them, may have diappared too, since how she used desk as a dumping ground of things from chest of draws etc uh	May 23 21:32
sebsebseb	so again usb sticks arne't ideal either	May 23 21:32
razielle_tzu	my two important usb drives are in one of my bags	May 23 21:33
razielle_tzu	you could keep them on a keychain in your pocket	May 23 21:33
sebsebseb	did put something or the other on usb sticks like two months ago, since re did la p top, and fat32 uh	May 23 21:33
razielle_tzu	there's loads of options for keeping stuff safe	May 23 21:33
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: oh not with her in the room	May 23 21:34
sebsebseb	well is and isn't	May 23 21:34
sebsebseb	shoud have been ok enough out but nnope	May 23 21:34
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: hopeflly that's the last tiime like that, on her own uh	May 23 21:34
razielle_tzu	like i suggested last night get a lock on the door?	May 23 21:34
razielle_tzu	if you have a pc store usb drives and stuff in the case?	May 23 21:34
razielle_tzu	a loose floorboard?	May 23 21:35
sebsebseb	I knew she wanted to move chest of draws, but didn't think like oh, oh yeah that phone is on there, should move, plus started messing around in there earier than thought would	May 23 21:35
razielle_tzu	seriously, think like a kid trying to hide smokes or something	May 23 21:35
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah, but shoudb't need too	May 23 21:35
sebsebseb	but yes I know what you mean	May 23 21:35
razielle_tzu	i know but it sounds like she has no sense of personal space so you're going to have to	May 23 21:35
sebsebseb	went in other thing to, all over uh lots of places	May 23 21:35
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I think it knocked off chest of draws into a bin bag	May 23 21:36
sebsebseb	and she didn't check that bin bag so	May 23 21:36
sebsebseb	gone	May 23 21:36
razielle_tzu	the only reason my pc case isn't used for storing things is because i can't actually easily open it up to do so	May 23 21:36
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: had been other times, and after its like, where is this and that, and usal.ly things turn up, but this time uhmm ah	May 23 21:37
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: she says to me at times that I don't see things right in front of my nose, well she obviously didn't or whatever last week then !	May 23 21:37
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: a s3 mini still like 100 pounds more thanm, I suppouse it was a flag ship or pretty much so	May 23 21:39
razielle_tzu	yeah	May 23 21:40
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: makes me think higher of it now in a way, but its gone now too so uhmm	May 23 21:41
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: i could do with android or salifsh os maybe if can get apps working ok	May 23 21:41
razielle_tzu	i had to swap the mainboard in mine, as well as the screen/digitizer so i need to root and flash a custom rom back on to it but idon't think i'll bother unless i need to actually use it again	May 23 21:42
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: you broke yours?	May 23 21:42
sebsebseb	and what rom ?	May 23 21:43
razielle_tzu	dropped it and cracked the screen... couldn't be bothered to mess with heating hte glue to just replace the glass and then it got dropped in water by someone who was borrowing it so i had to rebuild it again	May 23 21:43
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: got a cheap aldi android phone to, that got last year, that not powered on yet actsaully since....	May 23 21:43
razielle_tzu	i think n.light or something like that was the last rom i had on that	May 23 21:43
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well my s3 mini survived washing machine like three months or so after getting	May 23 21:44
sebsebseb	yeah a wash cycle for like over an hour	May 23 21:45
sebsebseb	opended up and there it was on looking at me	May 23 21:45
razielle_tzu	the water caused a short that fried the mainboard, it got stuck in a bootloop and restoring it didn't help	May 23 21:45
sebsebseb	some green lines down it for a while, but dropping agian made it go ok	May 23 21:45
sebsebseb	a few months or so later	May 23 21:45
sebsebseb	plus icone were a bit uh	May 23 21:45
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: so yeah it survices washing machine, but then it doens't survive my Mum last week uh ?	May 23 21:46
razielle_tzu	she's reset it, swapped the sim and is using it herself when she's out of the house	May 23 21:46
razielle_tzu	:P	May 23 21:46
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: nope way to non techei for that	May 23 21:47
sebsebseb	I know you meant as a joke	May 23 21:47
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: by the way with my ubuntu tablet, the guy says cant just get the sreen etc	May 23 21:48
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: so could buy a replacement device and take the bits out that are needed	May 23 21:48
razielle_tzu	pretty much but if you do that you may as well use the new one	May 23 21:48
sebsebseb	or I just use the replacement device hmm, but means mine is yep in bits	May 23 21:48
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well it would be second hand	May 23 21:48
*razielle_tzu shrugs		May 23 21:49
razielle_tzu	just like most of my current tech	May 23 21:49
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I suppouse could use replacement yeah	May 23 21:49
sebsebseb	its clean anyway or to the extent of a factory reset	May 23 21:50
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: but you don't know quite the quality of a second hand device	May 23 21:50
sebsebseb	mine not quite iether, just that its been dropped here and there	May 23 21:50
razielle_tzu	if it's a refurb or just purchased from the last user i don't expect it to be pristine and i always do as much as i can to clean it anyway just in case	May 23 21:51
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah so what's better, just use some replaement device, or have him take out the needed parts that I need ?	May 23 21:51
razielle_tzu	depends on if the storage and stuff get swapped too... i have no idea how integrated the hardware is for that tablet... personally i'd go with using the replacement	May 23 21:52
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well he said, the digitiizer and lcd are dconnected toghere	May 23 21:52
sebsebseb	three parts even	May 23 21:52
razielle_tzu	just use the replacement... you do remember how to make sure a tablet is actually clean right?	May 23 21:53
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: clean as in in what context ?	May 23 21:53
razielle_tzu	no remnants of another users data rather than physically	May 23 21:54
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I don't know, I just factory reset my one before giving it to him, I know that may not be perfect	May 23 21:54
razielle_tzu	i do advanced wipes so i can make sure the dalvik cache is done too (might not be applicable to touch, i have no idea) and then use an app (i forget the name) to do the rest when it's booted and connected to a network	May 23 21:55
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I feel tehre may be some traces of some of my data some wehre, on ubuntu tablet	May 23 21:56
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: but yes if he glues up etc it may not be done so well	May 23 21:57
sebsebseb	I remember the ipad	May 23 21:58
sebsebseb	so in that case using the replacement could be better	May 23 21:58
razielle_tzu	i know there is of mine... partially intentionally as a challenge to someone that claimed to be able to find me anywhere online a few years ago	May 23 21:58
sebsebseb	oh ?	May 23 21:58
razielle_tzu	when i was in poland i was doing a few things for fun and profit and someone overheard and claimed to be able to link my name to an old account that did other things... i left a few traces of things for him to follow to actually do it... i'm still waiting for him to email the address at the end of the trail	May 23 21:59
razielle_tzu	at the same time i took control of six of his accounts and locked him out from most of his tools	May 23 22:00
sebsebseb	right ok	May 23 22:01
sebsebseb	and you also took dwon the NHS the other week using NSA ransomware	May 23 22:01
razielle_tzu	nah, not my style	May 23 22:02
razielle_tzu	i do fun things or get revenge	May 23 22:02
razielle_tzu	also i'd be charging more than that to decrypt	May 23 22:02
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ubuntu touch has like read only space for the os, and read writable space for data etc or something like that	May 23 22:02
razielle_tzu	so like most mobile devices then?	May 23 22:02
sebsebseb	so factoty re setting	May 23 22:03
sebsebseb	should have got rid of the read writable stuff	May 23 22:03
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: sure its android hardware otherwise	May 23 22:03
razielle_tzu	that reminds me... i need to do a restore and copy the stock rom so if i root and flash a custom rom i have a clean back up	May 23 22:04
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: factory re set on own, may have left some traces I guess, but thats about all that can do with touch anyway I think	May 23 22:05
razielle_tzu	ooo and it's almost time for me to check my gaming system for infections too... doubt i have any still but it's always fun	May 23 22:05
sebsebseb	in fections ?	May 23 22:05
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: but yeah if he takes apart and glues up tablet, may not do such a good job	May 23 22:06
razielle_tzu	yeah, my gaming system is pretty much undefended so it could have picked something up. aside from games there's just a linux vm on it and music on an external hdd	May 23 22:06
sebsebseb	gaming system is windows ?	May 23 22:06
razielle_tzu	yup	May 23 22:07
sebsebseb	7 ?	May 23 22:07
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razielle_tzu	8.1	May 23 22:07
sebsebseb	8.1 oh	May 23 22:07
sebsebseb	this lap top was 8.1 but upgraded back to 10 other week	May 23 22:07
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: rang hp, then to microsoft, no wasn't going to let them remote connect me !	May 23 22:07
razielle_tzu	i won't use 10 until support for 8 is dropped	May 23 22:08
sebsebseb	re installed from that hp usb	May 23 22:08
sebsebseb	since in the hardware databse upgraindg to 10 should have been ok, b ut then it was like how etc	May 23 22:08
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: hp guy gave me a microsoft number	May 23 22:08
razielle_tzu	i now my machine CAN run 10 but until i get some more ram and support for 8 is dropped it's not happeninng	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: so indian woman, went through the software a bit	May 23 22:09
razielle_tzu	*know	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	they offer to remote connect, but not having that	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	real ms or not !	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	MinceR would let real Microsoft in	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	of course they might hae a back door or something anyway, but yeah	May 23 22:09
razielle_tzu	if someone offers that i say the network stack is part of the problem, it's not connecting	May 23 22:09
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: they sounded liike those indidian scam calls	May 23 22:10
sebsebseb	but this was the real ms	May 23 22:10
razielle_tzu	so?	May 23 22:10
sebsebseb	real Micsofot indidian tech support	May 23 22:10
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I don't want ms in my compuer at all :)	May 23 22:10
sebsebseb	but yeah someitmes have reason to use that sucky os	May 23 22:11
sebsebseb	uh driving thorey, wich uhmm right	May 23 22:11
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yep Linux distros are better	May 23 22:11
sebsebseb	shame about the lack of certain prorgrams here and there though	May 23 22:11
sebsebseb	games can go under that if you want	May 23 22:11
razielle_tzu	with the right config most things can get around it	May 23 22:11
MinceR	sebsebseb: what	May 23 22:12
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah wine	May 23 22:12
sebsebseb	but wine and such, can be tricky to get working right	May 23 22:12
razielle_tzu	that's one way	May 23 22:12
razielle_tzu	a vm is another	May 23 22:12
sebsebseb	MinceR: you would let the real or fake Microsoft remote connect your computer	May 23 22:12
MinceR	i don't see why	May 23 22:12
sebsebseb	MinceR: for tech support	May 23 22:12
sebsebseb	you would let apple in too	May 23 22:12
MinceR	what are you talking about?	May 23 22:13
MinceR	they don't even know anything necessary to support my tech :>	May 23 22:13
razielle_tzu	if they can't explain it for me to do it myself (should i ever need to contact them, which is unlikely) they don't deserve to be remotely connected to follow a step-by-step sat on their desk or on a screen	May 23 22:13
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: well driving thoerey discs later ones have drm, so need windows	May 23 22:13
sebsebseb	or last time I Tried wine	May 23 22:13
sebsebseb	for something like that, got a evevn newer one now	May 23 22:13
razielle_tzu	so use a vm and pass the drive through directly	May 23 22:14
sebsebseb	pass drive diredctly ? what you mean, and when its on a multi boot ?	May 23 22:14
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: I would have to have a windows 10 or something in the vmm	May 23 22:14
sebsebseb	that works iwth the disc etc	May 23 22:14
razielle_tzu	using virtualbox you can have the vm read the host drive as though it was connected directly to the vm, i think other vm programs do the same thing	May 23 22:15
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: tye y9st	May 23 22:15
sebsebseb	the host drive	May 23 22:15
sebsebseb	the one that is runnign the linux distro ?	May 23 22:16
razielle_tzu	the optical drive connected to the host	May 23 22:16
sebsebseb	with both oses on the same disc	May 23 22:16
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: sounds like still need a sepeate drive	May 23 22:17
razielle_tzu	nope	May 23 22:17
sebsebseb	if it could just work with the partion, that could work	May 23 22:17
razielle_tzu	no multiboot either	May 23 22:17
sebsebseb	10 is on pshcailly as is linux but same disk	May 23 22:17
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razielle_tzu	i'm talking about a linux host, controlling a vm running windows that is reading the linux machines optical drive	May 23 22:18
razielle_tzu	no multiboot, seperate partitions or any of that crap	May 23 22:18
razielle_tzu	just literally passing the optical drive directly to the vm	May 23 22:18
sebsebseb	ok how ?	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	so your sayng ubuntu is running right now	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	i can get into the 10 install	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	that's on the same disk	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	using virtual box ?	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	from ubuntu ?	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	the pshyiall instlal running now	May 23 22:20
razielle_tzu	no i'm talking about installing 10 on a vm and then telling the vm that the host's optical drive is where the vm should look for optical media bypassing the host reading it	May 23 22:20
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah can II download one from ms that would work in vbox	May 23 22:21
sebsebseb	or something	May 23 22:21
sebsebseb	plus they had another update after anisviery edidiont	May 23 22:21
razielle_tzu	i have one that would work but i didn't get it from m$	May 23 22:21
razielle_tzu	and it's only 2 months out of date as far as updates are concerned	May 23 22:22
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: somewhere got a genuine xp disc still ( unless she chucked out some whow, probably not )	May 23 22:22
sebsebseb	those dics could work with that to	May 23 22:22
sebsebseb	YAY piin ball	May 23 22:22
razielle_tzu	that would have to be air gapped	May 23 22:22
razielle_tzu	no wifi, no lan, no bluetooth	May 23 22:22
razielle_tzu	oh and an old usb protection circuit	May 23 22:23
razielle_tzu	same with any version of 7 that isn't part of the extended support scheme	May 23 22:24
sebsebseb	yes true I emeant for offline use though	May 23 22:25
sebsebseb	and yay pin ball :d	May 23 22:25
razielle_tzu	i prefer minesweeper or chess	May 23 22:25
sebsebseb	and paint even before it got all fancy iit seems in this new windows 10 update	May 23 22:25
sebsebseb	free cell :)	May 23 22:25
razielle_tzu	i haven't touched paint since win98	May 23 22:25
sebsebseb	oh yeah windows 3.1 emulater stuff on archeive .org now I remember, can play the classic soliatere	May 23 22:26
sebsebseb	and do more	May 23 22:26
razielle_tzu	if i want to play card games i'll get a physical deck out	May 23 22:26
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: a pshyicall deck is ok too	May 23 22:30
sebsebseb	but virtual is good	May 23 22:31
razielle_tzu	for card games, unless i'm playing CAH with peeps from everywhere, i prefer having them in my hand	May 23 22:31
sebsebseb	whats CAH ?	May 23 22:32
razielle_tzu	cards against humanity	May 23 22:32
sebsebseb	oh not sure of that one	May 23 22:32
razielle_tzu	heh, look it up	May 23 22:32
sebsebseb	oh yeah schestowitz is from Manchester well Germany to	May 23 22:38
sebsebseb	not taked about this one here yet but	May 23 22:38
sebsebseb	yes	May 23 22:38
sebsebseb	schestowitz: razielle_tzu what you think to the news /?	May 23 22:38
razielle_tzu	it's devastating but at the same time i don't know anyone personally that lives out there	May 23 22:39
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah only schestowitz but we only know him in cyber space really :d	May 23 22:41
razielle_tzu	i was glad to hear some of the things in the aftermath though, like all the homeless peeps jumping in to help get people out and stuff	May 23 22:44
sebsebseb	hea	May 23 22:45
sebsebseb	yeah well kids like one said on itv news homeless guy	May 23 22:45
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razielle_tzu	i heard there was more than one that jumped in to help	May 23 22:45
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liberty_box	In favour of Martial Law?	May 23 23:41
liberty_box	https://soc.ialis.me/users/greycat/updates/10794	May 23 23:43
liberty_box	"Plato predicted this 2500 years ago. Democracy crumbles as the people become apathetic and frightened -- they turn to a tyrant who promises to solve all their problems. Duterte, Trump, Erdogan, May ... the tyrants have global reach.	May 23 23:43
liberty_box	It will all break soon. I don't think there's any stopping that now."	May 23 23:43
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liberty_box	Rockstar worship for the likes of Trump, Duterte and others. It's Obama's "Hope" gone rightwing	May 23 23:44
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/867149460966711297	May 23 23:47
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liberty_box	What does "We" mean here. Thailand had it, it's new in Philippines, may be coming with May to UK	May 23 23:48
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cubexyz	just can't stand tiny screens and tiny keyboards	May 24 00:35
cubexyz	got to have a full sized keyboard and screen	May 24 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867226533206929409	May 24 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	#RedHat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, Automation	May 24 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	Tools https://t.co/6YBv0TG2Hr (tuxmachines.org) #security	May 24 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	#rhel #gnu #linux	May 24 04:53
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TweetTuxMachines	Red Hat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, Automation	May 24 05:04
TweetTuxMachines	Tools https://t.co/JmXlGZFMad (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 05:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/867230515597905920	May 24 05:40
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #RedHat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, Automation	May 24 05:40
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief Tools https://t.co/6YBv0TG2Hr (tuxmachines.org) #security	May 24 05:40
TweetTuxMachines	#rhel #gnu #linux	May 24 05:40
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cubexyz	ok, I did some experimenting with the rk driver	May 24 06:11
cubexyz	/etc/mkfs /dev/rk l;s	May 24 06:11
cubexyz	seems 4971 blocks is the limit	May 24 06:15
cubexyz	that appears to be the limit of the rk driver	May 24 06:16
cubexyz	ok, so tonight I move all the man pages to /usr/man	May 24 06:23
cubexyz	that line with mkfs is garbled	May 24 06:33
cubexyz	/etc/mkfs /dev/rk3 4971	May 24 06:33
cubexyz	there's a #define NRKBLK 4872	May 24 06:37
cubexyz	not sure why I can squeeze 99 blocks more out of it	May 24 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867255479092883456	May 24 06:48
TweetTuxMachines	#LinuxFoundation and #LinuxKernel https://t.co/BZNXiNt27q	May 24 06:48
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org)	May 24 06:48
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#LinuxFoundation and #LinuxKernel https://t.co/BZNXiNt27q'		May 24 06:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867257529180471296	May 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy and	May 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	#Security https://t.co/xLMGMbiaSP (tuxmachines.org)	May 24 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	#surveillance #anonymity #tails #tor	May 24 06:55
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cubexyz	the unix v7 install has a simulated 150 meg drive	May 24 06:57
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy...'		May 24 07:00
*TweetTuxMachines @spygearco favourited '4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy...'		May 24 07:00
cubexyz	the rf driver looks very limiting	May 24 07:02
cubexyz	"each disk contains 1024 256-word blocks"	May 24 07:02
cubexyz	back in the day they divided the rp drives into 2 parts	May 24 07:05
cubexyz	"a full rp drive is 81200 blocks"	May 24 07:05
cubexyz	but...	May 24 07:05
cubexyz	the system can only address up to 65536 blocks	May 24 07:05
cubexyz	the 16-bit limit	May 24 07:06
cubexyz	ah, in v5 era this is the limit... after that probably not	May 24 07:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867260890080358400	May 24 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Foundation and Linux Kernel https://t.co/KagCydqTVD	May 24 07:08
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TweetTuxMachines	4 Great Linux Distros Designed for Privacy and Security	May 24 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wxqqghkxMF (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pjA4qEvfnb	May 24 07:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867260905360244736	May 24 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	Security Leftovers: HackerOne, Let's Encrypt, and Shadow	May 24 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	Brokers https://t.co/bbBd6NTkFE (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 07:08
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cubexyz	so I'll follow the directives of the unix v5 manual... that means /dev/rp0 will be 40600 blocks	May 24 07:09
cubexyz	tons of space!	May 24 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867261061849731072	May 24 07:10
TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers: #HackerOne, #LetsEncrypt, and	May 24 07:10
TweetTuxMachines	#ShadowBrokers https://t.co/jA0b6WQqjt (tuxmachines.org)	May 24 07:10
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cubexyz	document of this era likes to talk about 256 words	May 24 07:11
cubexyz	that's 512 bytes	May 24 07:11
cubexyz	and block 0 of a disk is "unused"	May 24 07:12
cubexyz	but it could contain stuff like a bootstrap program or label or some other info	May 24 07:13
cubexyz	ok... the 99 block thing is explained	May 24 07:15
cubexyz	there should be 99 blocks reserved for the free list which is used by check	May 24 07:16
cubexyz	so probably it's bad juju using 4971 blocks like I did	May 24 07:16
cubexyz	so it's back to using 4872 blocks then	May 24 07:18
cubexyz	each era of unix had it's own filesystem checking program	May 24 07:20
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: #HackerOne, #LetsEncrypt, and #ShadowBrokers https://t.co/jA0b6WQqjt'		May 24 07:24
*TweetTuxMachines @amuseum favourited '4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy...'		May 24 07:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867271420069298177	May 24 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	Software: #NetworkManager, #Kodi, #Cumulus Weather App,	May 24 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	#Streamlink, #Calibre https://t.co/mEMfkR6OzL	May 24 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #freesw #gnu #linux	May 24 07:52
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TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Leftovers: #Security, #Unity, Internet, and	May 24 08:08
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TweetTuxMachines	Software: NetworkManager, Kodi, Cumulus Weather App,	May 24 08:14
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TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Leftovers: Security, Unity, Internet, and	May 24 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	Derivatives https://t.co/1aTLw0bPYK (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	LibreOffice News https://t.co/7oTWtIQ5WI	May 24 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	Events and Talks https://t.co/vu1O6GHrZA	May 24 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	OSS Leftovers https://t.co/b5yv2YT36x	May 24 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	Debian and Derivatives https://t.co/vkWx8i4Mma	May 24 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294369451134976	May 24 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	Fedora and Red Hat https://t.co/jndopSAFEq	May 24 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294370818433024	May 24 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	GNOME News: Black Lab Drops GNOME and Further GNOME	May 24 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	Experiments in Meson https://t.co/c6rh36o6zl	May 24 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	More of today's howtos https://t.co/8XqzPvBFR9	May 24 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	Graphics News https://t.co/L09913c9d3	May 24 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	today's leftovers https://t.co/2rtY89gOMI	May 24 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294536002748416	May 24 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	Links 24/5/2017: New #RHEL Beta, #SteamOS Updated	May 24 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1fcI0RGnSz (techrights.org) … #techrights	May 24 09:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867300690724405248	May 24 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Links 24/5/2017: New #RHEL Beta, #SteamOS Updated	May 24 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/1fcI0RGnSz (techrights.org) … #techrights	May 24 10:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867351881152057344	May 24 13:11
TweetTuxMachines	Gaming News https://t.co/1pYIuVsQPc (www.tuxmachines.org)	May 24 13:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867458755557863424	May 24 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	#RedHat News: #Flatpak, #CloudLinux, Red Hat Enterprise	May 24 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	Linux (#RHEL) 7.4 https://t.co/6Xt0UTSqit	May 24 20:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat News: #Flatpak, #CloudLinux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux...'		May 24 20:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867459959759413254	May 24 20:34
TweetTuxMachines	Red Hat News: Flatpak, CloudLinux, Red Hat Enterprise	May 24 20:34
TweetTuxMachines	Linux (RHEL) 7.4 https://t.co/9mYJ0TXyAu	May 24 20:34
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd Vastly improved morale today'		May 24 20:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867487688844128256	May 24 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	#KDE, #Qt, #GTK and #GNOME News https://t.co/OayyJniuoq	May 24 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux	May 24 22:10
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sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ping	May 24 22:12
razielle_tzu	hi sebsebseb	May 24 22:13
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: ok turned up found it	May 24 22:13
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: in a place should have looked really too	May 24 22:13
razielle_tzu	fair	May 24 22:14
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: Ubuntu ambience theme you want to try that aws just reading	May 24 22:16
razielle_tzu	no i don't	May 24 22:17
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: Manchester news again of course	May 24 22:18
razielle_tzu	manchester is going to be in the news for a while	May 24 22:19
sebsebseb	razielle_tzu: yeah watching bbc one	May 24 22:19
sebsebseb	with my Mum	May 24 22:20
razielle_tzu	our tv hasn't been on in a couple of months now	May 24 22:29
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cubexyz	ugh, a bit tedious moving everything over to a new drive	May 25 02:53
razielle_tzu	it always is	May 25 02:53
cubexyz	on v5 it's extra tedious	May 25 02:53
cubexyz	still not sure if I could have had those 99 extra blocks	May 25 02:54
cubexyz	but I'm playing it safe	May 25 02:54
razielle_tzu	fair	May 25 02:54
cubexyz	plus I have to type in the missing man pages manually	May 25 02:55
cubexyz	it's maybe 25% done	May 25 02:55
razielle_tzu	ouch	May 25 02:55
cubexyz	yeah progress has been disappointing slow	May 25 03:02
cubexyz	I started 6 years ago :-/	May 25 03:02
razielle_tzu	:/	May 25 03:02
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cubexyz	what people may not know is that by 1974 unix had already reached a high level of sophisication	May 25 03:34
cubexyz	far beyond anything we had on home computers	May 25 03:34
cubexyz	maybe not graphics wise or storage wise	May 25 03:35
cubexyz	compare it to amigados 1.3 for example	May 25 03:35
cubexyz	you had to buy a compiler, and I think you had to buy an assembler too	May 25 03:38
cubexyz	can't remember any free compiler, although there probably was one	May 25 03:38
cubexyz	the original v5 manual was preserved, it's 306 pages	May 25 03:42
cubexyz	chunks of the original v5 userland are still missing	May 25 03:44
cubexyz	I've resurrected a big chunk of that... that took a long time	May 25 03:45
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cubexyz	amazing to think Roosevelt imposed a top tax rate of 94%	May 25 05:37
cubexyz	in Eisenhower's time: 91%	May 25 05:38
cubexyz	I wonder what the top tax rate under Trump will be	May 25 05:39
cubexyz	looks like it's 39.6% now	May 25 05:40
cubexyz	you'd have to earn $400K+ to get that rate	May 25 05:41
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amarsh04	well, I've met the late Dennis Ritchie and John Lions, that's about my only brushes with Unix history	May 25 15:41
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liberty_box	https://twitter.com/johnonolenin/status/867854009255645185	May 25 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnonolenin: @schestowitz @JulianAssange https://t.co/F1ezy4xJ61		May 25 22:26
liberty_box	He won't. He just hired him...	May 25 22:26
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/867854334263832576	May 25 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wendycockcroft: @schestowitz .@DavidAFrench oh Daaaaviiiid! This is the kind of thing I'm trying to bring to your attention: vengea… https://t.co/YX5ClzXWXK		May 25 22:27
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:27
liberty_box	.@DavidAFrench oh Daaaaviiiid! This is the kind of thing I'm trying to bring to your attention: vengeance V the rule of law. Your take?	May 25 22:27
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:27
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/sda729/status/867855408035188737	May 25 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sda729: @schestowitz Is everyone outraged because Duterte is not buying his munitions from US?		May 25 22:33
liberty_box	No, there has been a lot more to it than that	May 25 22:33
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867855793424441344	May 25 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange I've heard our system will always end up two party system. Game theory. I should look i… https://t.co/e4UCKeGJFL		May 25 22:33
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:33
liberty_box	I've heard our system will always end up two party system. Game theory. I should look it up. Anyways, I don't like any of the other parties.	May 25 22:33
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:33
liberty_box	But look at France: 4-way split (first round)	May 25 22:33
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/RonaldVermeij/status/867856896312705024	May 25 22:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RonaldVermeij: @schestowitz Time to turn [...\|off] the Tell-a-#Lie-vision (#TV ) apparatus for good, re-connect face-to-face again… https://t.co/e1IqTKntHZ		May 25 22:37
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:37
liberty_box	Time to turn [...\|off] the Tell-a-#Lie-vision (#TV ) apparatus for good, re-connect face-to-face again and get on with our real-lives.	May 25 22:37
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:37
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/Carlospuntocom/status/867857494948839424	May 25 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Carlospuntocom: https://t.co/fQpELybINt https://t.co/g9WtkoWQgv		May 25 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Carlospuntocom: https://t.co/RqAnNjLq6J https://t.co/jeCaQeAU9K		May 25 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #google is bring #drm to living room, having lobbied to bring it to the WWW too https://t.co/TrRvo7VdX3		May 25 22:40
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/nyxpooka/status/867857627849555969	May 25 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyxpooka: @schestowitz https://t.co/AQQDtTNMPv thought you might want to see this.		May 25 22:40
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/nyxpooka/status/867857712318750721	May 25 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyxpooka: @SandraEckersley @gerge42 @schestowitz @ingeniarius08 @wikileaks ?		May 25 22:40
liberty_box	You're wasting your time replying to her, but I too am guilty of that	May 25 22:40
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867857790546694146	May 25 22:40
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:41
liberty_box	Different system of elections. But to change that we need to change the constitution. Personally, I don't believe democracy is good anymore.	May 25 22:41
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange Different system of elections. But to change that we need to change the constitution. P… https://t.co/ZjE3bDTpC3		May 25 22:41
liberty_box	Rather, believe that what you have is no longer democracy and hence democracy itself isn't the issue	May 25 22:41
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867858077151875072	May 25 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange Unless we somehow fix it so they deal with long term problems and have to be loyal to c… https://t.co/CFVd68scRK		May 25 22:42
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:42
liberty_box	Unless we somehow fix it so they deal with long term problems and have to be loyal to citizens, not import new ones who vote how they want.	May 25 22:42
liberty_box	"	May 25 22:42
liberty_box	https://twitter.com/johnonolenin/status/867858445667414017	May 25 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnonolenin: @schestowitz @JulianAssange I know, just my opinion		May 25 22:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867864032010682368	May 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	#Android Leftovers https://t.co/ljL3mNyATf	May 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #linux #google #aosp	May 25 23:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867864132715921408	May 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Devices https://t.co/Bx7XlkNJCe (tuxmachines.org)	May 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #raspi #hardware	May 25 23:05
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers https://t.co/ljL3mNyATf #linux #google #aosp'		May 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867864304942333952	May 25 23:56
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Linux Devices https://t.co/Bx7XlkNJCe (tuxmachines.org)	May 25 23:56
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz #gnu #linux #raspi #hardware	May 25 23:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867876972730253312	May 25 23:57
TweetTuxMachines	#Gaming News https://t.co/fUd0Ynx2nB (tuxmachines.org)	May 25 23:57
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #games	May 25 23:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867877227886555136	May 26 00:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #Gaming News https://t.co/fUd0Ynx2nB (tuxmachines.org)	May 26 00:37
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz #gnu #linux #games	May 26 00:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867889478022475776	May 26 00:46
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos https://t.co/aTrFlinoOe (tuxmachines.org)	May 26 00:46
TweetTuxMachines	#howto #gnu #linux #unix	May 26 00:46
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/aTrFlinoOe #howto #gnu #linux #unix'		May 26 00:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@linuxusergroup https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/867891415681908738	May 26 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	@xychelsea Gonna keep this positive.. do give	May 26 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	@Steam_games a go! So good 2 exercise @FSF-minded	May 26 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	platforms on cutting edge. @SteamLUG @tuxmachines	May 26 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	(twitter.com) 🕊️💚🐧!	May 26 01:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867893072679456768	May 26 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	#LinuxFoundation Grows So Much it Hires a Chief of Staff	May 26 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mZbdk3WUzz (tuxmachines.org) background:	May 26 01:01
TweetTuxMachines	#dell #emc etc. #gnu #linux #kernel #freesw	May 26 01:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867896882097532928	May 26 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	#Security Leftovers https://t.co/WC2KLJEqdS	May 26 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #samba	May 26 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	#wannacry	May 26 01:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/WC2KLJEqdS #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #samba...'		May 26 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867899652787404800	May 26 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem	May 26 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernel	May 26 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	#ext4	May 26 01:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867899951665352704	May 26 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem	May 26 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernel	May 26 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	#ext4	May 26 01:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS #linux...'		May 26 01:55
*TweetTuxMachines @myflywheel retweeted @tuxmachines: 'An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS #linux...'		May 26 01:55
*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited 'An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS #linux...'		May 26 03:06
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@xychelsea Gonna keep this positive.. do give @Steam_games...'		May 26 03:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867928609058562048	May 26 03:27
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu-Based Alternatives and #Snapcraft 2.30	May 26 03:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1HsRJyqkA5 (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu	May 26 03:27
TweetTuxMachines	#canonical #linuxmint	May 26 03:27
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu-Based Alternatives and #Snapcraft 2.30 https://t.co/1HsRJyqkA5 #ubuntu #canonical...'		May 26 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/jesusguevarauto/status/867931792199831556	May 26 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem	May 26 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernel	May 26 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	#ext4	May 26 03:34
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*TweetTuxMachines @Beezel_Bug favourited 'An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystem https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS #linux...'		May 26 03:37
cubexyz	Devuan Jeesie 1.0 released	May 26 06:05
cubexyz	Jessie	May 26 06:06
cubexyz	who knows, maybe there'll be a Fedora fork	May 26 06:07
MinceR	i doubt it	May 26 06:08
MinceR	fedora is one with the cancer, through and through	May 26 06:09
MinceR	it has as much of the toxic redhat ideas as is currently possible	May 26 06:09
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/OIEBbI7.jpg	May 26 06:54
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/WiB12FC.jpg (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/qxyIm )	May 26 06:58
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cubexyz	damn	May 26 07:51
cubexyz	I think xautolock will stop a download	May 26 07:52
cubexyz	I can set up a notifier to warn me when it's within a certain margin	May 26 07:58
cubexyz	ok, added a 3 minute warning notifier	May 26 08:12
cubexyz	one could flash the screen, but I'll use xmessage	May 26 08:14
cubexyz	that will stay on the screen	May 26 08:14
cubexyz	of course I could just kill xautolock in that situation	May 26 08:18
oiaohm	MinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Branding its interesting fedora design make rebranding very possible.	May 26 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org \| Marketing/Branding - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/qxd6v ]		May 26 08:47
oiaohm	MinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FCNewInit and there have been quite a few different fedora forks at different times.	May 26 08:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange What helps guard you is...'		May 26 09:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange What helps guard you is public opinion...'		May 26 10:18
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange The EU is no beacon of...'		May 26 10:18
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange The EU is no...'		May 26 10:36
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Where was such a claim even made?...'		May 26 10:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Where was such a claim...'		May 26 11:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868048023300878336	May 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	Links 25/5/2017: #Mesa 17.1.1, #Qt 5.9.0 RC, and Much	May 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	More https://t.co/NmBBvJMvIm (techrights.org) …	May 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	#techrights	May 26 11:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868048231145459717	May 26 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	Linux-based gizmo offers remote 3D printer control and	May 26 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	sharing https://t.co/SZI7DgKDe9 (tuxmachines.org) #linux	May 26 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	#3dprinting	May 26 11:19
TweetTuxMachines		May 26 11:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux-based gizmo offers remote 3D printer control and...'		May 26 11:19
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 25/5/2017: #Mesa 17.1.1, #Qt 5.9.0 RC, and...'		May 26 11:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868063921705320448	May 26 12:20
TweetTuxMachines	#AlpineLinux 3.6.0 Released https://t.co/VQFzVObgEd	May 26 12:20
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux	May 26 12:20
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#AlpineLinux 3.6.0 Released https://t.co/VQFzVObgEd #gnu #linux'		May 26 12:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@WLTaskForce @wikileaks Having a political view and speaking...'		May 26 19:31
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/gamification	May 26 19:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @WLTaskForce @wikileaks Having a political view...'		May 26 19:56
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/zocNrsT.jpg	May 26 20:04
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868179018423521280	May 26 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	When back home I will change focus/strategy a little.	May 26 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	Notably: Rianne do more of @tuxmachines and the account	May 26 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	will be used more. Efficiency.	May 26 20:37
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/uFTwrrH.jpg	May 26 20:56
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/fishillusionment	May 26 21:17
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liberty_box_	https://mastodon.art/users/znkd/updates/10365	May 26 21:22
liberty_box_	"I used to only have nokia phones, back in the day of keyboards. Well I had like 2 or 3. The last I lost it. Was my favourite mobile of all time."	May 26 21:22
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MinceR	i had 2, they sucked	May 26 21:22
MinceR	then nokia became a m$ puppet, then nokia became a crApple puppet	May 26 21:22
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/N1Z6qTf.jpg	May 26 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868218047906988032	May 26 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	Wine 2.9 released https://t.co/HtQigijM69	May 26 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) #wine #software	May 26 22:32
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cubexyz	hmmm there's also the -corners option of xautolock	May 26 23:06
cubexyz	move the mouse pointer into a corner and xautolock won't do its thing	May 26 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868218306209095680	May 26 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Wine 2.9 released https://t.co/HtQigijM69	May 26 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (tuxmachines.org) #wine #software	May 26 23:08
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MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DApA1wTXkAAREC3.jpg	May 26 23:13
cubexyz	ok, and it has -disable and -enable	May 26 23:21
cubexyz	that covers it	May 26 23:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868232973941735424	May 26 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	First Look at #Devuan 1.0: A Free OS Designed for #Debian	May 26 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	Fans Who Hate #systemd https://t.co/OJzveOma3R	May 26 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) hate? Reject.	May 26 23:31
TweetTuxMachines		May 26 23:31
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'First Look at #Devuan 1.0: A Free OS...'		May 26 23:34
*TweetTuxMachines @musevg favourited 'First Look at #Devuan 1.0: A Free OS...'		May 26 23:34
*TweetTuxMachines @musevg retweeted @tuxmachines: 'First Look at #Devuan 1.0: A Free OS...'		May 26 23:36
cubexyz	damn it slashdot, enough with the ads	May 26 23:38
MinceR	did you expect anything good from slashdot?	May 26 23:45
*TweetTuxMachines @SSLWallOfShame favourited '#Security Leftovers: #HackerOne, #LetsEncrypt, and #ShadowBrokers https://t.co/jA0b6WQqjt'		May 26 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers: HackerOne, Let's Encrypt, and Shadow Brokers \| Tux Machines		May 26 23:45
cubexyz	it's better than facebook	May 26 23:51
cubexyz	I realize that isn't saying much	May 26 23:52
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cubexyz	too many ads everywhere	May 26 23:54
MinceR	indeed it isn't saying much	May 26 23:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@MarkJohnsonCKD https://twitter.com/MarkJohnsonCKD/status/868236698446159873	May 27 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	The latest Food and #Wine Festivities!	May 27 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/55AEJr39f0 (paper.li) Thanks to	May 27 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	@StephanZeraschi @DairyofalolMoM @tuxmachines #wine #vino	May 27 00:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868246402060525569	May 27 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	Gaming News https://t.co/Txkp4Y8uho (tuxmachines.org)	May 27 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	#games #gaming #gnu #linux	May 27 00:24
TweetTuxMachines		May 27 00:24
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/gBomp6p.gifv	May 27 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com \| Imgur		May 27 00:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868246526841151488	May 27 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Gaming News https://t.co/Txkp4Y8uho (tuxmachines.org)	May 27 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz #games #gaming #gnu #linux	May 27 00:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Gaming News https://t.co/Txkp4Y8uho #games #gaming #gnu #linux'		May 27 00:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/RTAWGAMES/status/868252331095330816	May 27 01:09
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Gaming News https://t.co/Txkp4Y8uho (tuxmachines.org)	May 27 01:09
TweetTuxMachines	@RTAWGAMES #games #gaming #gnu #linux	May 27 01:09
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*TweetTuxMachines @trudystar1 favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'		May 27 01:09
TweetTuxMachines	@FreeThree333 https://twitter.com/trudystar1/status/868257786139955204	May 27 01:11
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by @tuxmachines @wikileaks It's what these sick bastards in	May 27 01:11
TweetTuxMachines	@trudystar1 power are trying to do. #BoycottUK #FreeAssange	May 27 01:11
TweetTuxMachines	#SafePassage4Assange	May 27 01:12
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		May 27 01:31
*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		May 27 01:31
cubexyz	well I hope I am... if it obeys robots.txt	May 27 01:31
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cubexyz	constant hammering on /coppermine/login.php	May 27 01:38
cubexyz	no idea why they do that	May 27 01:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868270031620063232	May 27 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	#GNOME (and Related) News: #Cinnamon, #Container,	May 27 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	#GNOMEBoard, GNOME Logs, Tracker, #GNOMEShell and #Mutter	May 27 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/uSlh7V9Dj4 (tuxmachines.org)	May 27 01:58
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cubexyz	i'd rather xmessage was located in /usr/X11R6/bin	May 27 02:12
cubexyz	but linux seems to lump everything together in /usr/bin	May 27 02:13
cubexyz	actually the X programs are duplicated, they're in both directories on vector	May 27 02:17
MinceR	don't blame the kernel for that :>	May 27 02:18
cubexyz	actually FC1 does it right	May 27 02:19
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cubexyz	just seems better organized that way	May 27 02:20
cubexyz	xx.org	May 27 02:23
cubexyz	oops	May 27 02:23
cubexyz	and xmessage hasn't changed much since R5	May 27 02:26
cubexyz	everything seemed to coalesce around 1994 or so	May 27 02:28
cubexyz	redhat 1.0, X11R6, Darkstar Linux 0.99, really a pity I didn't switch over to linux or bsd back then	May 27 02:29
cubexyz	and the damnest thing is... I was selling FreeBSD 2.0 CDs	May 27 02:29
MinceR	inb4 the poettering cult throws it out because "it's not being maintained"	May 27 02:30
cubexyz	it works	May 27 02:31
cubexyz	that is xmessage works	May 27 02:31
cubexyz	I was just thinking it's a pity I was bogged down with win95 crap back then	May 27 02:32
cubexyz	not sure what poettering's opinions on X11 would be	May 27 02:34
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cubexyz	I don't think of X11 stuff as legacy as I'm still writing X11 programs	May 27 02:35
cubexyz	anyways if anyone tries to dump X11 I'll just make my own distro or something	May 27 02:36
MinceR	they don't care	May 27 02:37
MinceR	according to the cult, everything has to be fucked around with and rewritten until it's totally unusable and full of holes	May 27 02:38
MinceR	as for X11, they were already plotting to replace it with wayland when wayland couldn't do half of what X11 does	May 27 02:38
cubexyz	recently I setup a nice slackware 14.2 box	May 27 02:39
cubexyz	it's pretty recent and it has all the X11 stuff	May 27 02:41
cubexyz	14.2 was released june 2016	May 27 02:41
cubexyz	everyone isn't going to follow poettering's direction	May 27 02:43
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oiaohm	cubexyz: the end to X11 does not come from poettering it comes from x.org foundation. Of course X11 will disappear from primany but xwayland that is X11 inside wayland its going to stick around possible for ever.	May 27 04:35
oiaohm	MinceR: X11 has multi papers detailing defects in protocol that cannot be fixed without breaking existing applications. That is why new protocol wayland. The developer of wayland attempt to design fixes to 200 different issues in X11 protocol.	May 27 04:42
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cubexyz	well, I'm going to keep using X11	May 27 05:58
cubexyz	sure I could criticize X11	May 27 06:00
cubexyz	it's overly elaborate comes to mind	May 27 06:00
cubexyz	that's why Xvesa and Xtiny were created	May 27 06:00
cubexyz	and really Wayland is not fully ready	May 27 06:03
cubexyz	reduced usability, slower performance	May 27 06:04
cubexyz	KDE4 was slower, thus I switch to icewm	May 27 06:06
cubexyz	same idea as before... I use parts of KDE	May 27 06:06
cubexyz	I could see the desktop redrawing itself, that's how slow it was sometimes	May 27 06:07
cubexyz	for systems with very small (ha!) memory I use Xvesa	May 27 06:18
cubexyz	XFree86 executable used to be around 2 megs in size	May 27 06:20
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cubexyz	Xvesa is 869,580 bytes	May 27 06:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: performance benchmarks on wayland vs x.org show them about the same most of the time with wayland a lot faster in some cases.	May 27 06:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: scary enough is even xwayland performance is fairly close to x.org straight on hardware.	May 27 06:25
cubexyz	ahem, ssh -Y etc	May 27 06:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: wayland protocol itself does not cover remote desktop. That does not mean other remote solutions cannot be used. Like gtk + html5 backend.	May 27 06:29
cubexyz	what, I'm running in the brower?	May 27 06:32
cubexyz	browser	May 27 06:34
oiaohm	Libreoffice online running in browser is using the gtk3 html5 backend.	May 27 06:35
oiaohm	https://wiki.tizen.org/Weston_RDP_access there is already wayland compistores with the start of rdp.	May 27 06:35
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cubexyz	a microsoft proprietary protocol?	May 27 06:36
cubexyz	really....	May 27 06:36
oiaohm	there are vnc around and other things as well.	May 27 06:37
cubexyz	RFB protocol then	May 27 06:38
oiaohm	RDP was chosen mostly due to how many clients already have it.	May 27 06:38
cubexyz	which I guess would be OK	May 27 06:38
oiaohm	Both the browser path and the RDP path are both about what you can expect in be support by most clients.	May 27 06:39
cubexyz	don't you remember M$'s dirty tricks with Kerberos?	May 27 06:40
oiaohm	Do note the RDP example is using freerdp client as test bed. So open source client as well.	May 27 06:42
oiaohm	The dominate rdp in thin clients is freerdp.	May 27 06:42
cubexyz	M$ version of Kerberos didn't play nice with MIT's version	May 27 06:43
oiaohm	Freerdp and MS RDP at times do have issues.	May 27 06:43
oiaohm	So that stuff is not forgotten.	May 27 06:43
cubexyz	subsuming Kerberos and making it incompatible with the original == BAD	May 27 06:43
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cubexyz	also flash... oh boy don't get me started	May 27 06:44
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oiaohm	I know your fear. Please note the wayland core protocol was design that it could even be disconnected from opengl.	May 27 06:45
cubexyz	the favourite way for media companies to block recording their shows on the net	May 27 06:45
oiaohm	Wayland objective is to make a solid core.	May 27 06:45
oiaohm	Were it gets extended from there comes interesting equestions.	May 27 06:45
cubexyz	ok, well...	May 27 06:45
cubexyz	I hope wayland works	May 27 06:46
cubexyz	BUT	May 27 06:46
oiaohm	when wayland started html5 for remote was also looked at.	May 27 06:46
cubexyz	I have an interesting in very low memory environments	May 27 06:46
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cubexyz	ugh, I must be tired tonight	May 27 06:46
oiaohm	That is one thing were wayland has got better.	May 27 06:46
cubexyz	interested	May 27 06:46
oiaohm	wayland is forcing memory to be kernel managed.	May 27 06:47
oiaohm	Instead of lets run drivers in userspace and leak maddly with no way of being blamed.	May 27 06:47
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cubexyz	ok, as far as I know, I'm not running device drivers in userspace	May 27 06:48
oiaohm	cubexyz: nvidia opengl stream stuff instead of using gbm that the other are using was to aviod having to do kernel level memory management.	May 27 06:49
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically lets not tell the kernel how we have used the video card memory and pray that our in card and userspace code is correct.	May 27 06:50
cubexyz	to be honest, I'm not completely sure how radeonfb works	May 27 06:51
oiaohm	wayland is starting a lot of driver sanity questions.	May 27 06:51
cubexyz	would I be able to use radeonfb with wayland?	May 27 06:51
oiaohm	Mostly got away with not answer due to X11 tollerating all kinds of stupidty that a wayland will reject.	May 27 06:51
oiaohm	radeonfb that the open source driver right if so that already has wayland supprot.	May 27 06:51
cubexyz	there was xorg-server-xvfb	May 27 06:52
cubexyz	vga16fb was the old one	May 27 06:52
oiaohm	wayland can be ordered to run on framebuffer.	May 27 06:53
cubexyz	and what about old games like HOMM3 and majesty?	May 27 06:53
oiaohm	of course on framebuffer it drops to software rendering.	May 27 06:53
cubexyz	I'd have to retest everything	May 27 06:53
oiaohm	xwayland that is x.org running on top of wayland should support the old X11 applications.	May 27 06:54
oiaohm	the migration plan is not stupid and not a short time frame plan.	May 27 06:54
oiaohm	Some point in the furture x.org will just not have any other video driver other than xwayland.	May 27 06:55
cubexyz	I heard there's an X12 in development	May 27 06:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: X12 is wayland. Turned out X12 was trademarked for something else.	May 27 06:57
cubexyz	but who knows when that will happen	May 27 06:57
cubexyz	I wonder what the slack folks are going to do	May 27 06:58
oiaohm	cubexyz: X12 was talked about then the lead developer of wayland attempted to fix X11 then when the design faults were too large checked out trademark issue and then wayland started.	May 27 06:59
cubexyz	there's no reason why you couldn't talk to a scanner in userspace	May 27 07:01
cubexyz	short commands	May 27 07:01
cubexyz	doesn't minix do that?	May 27 07:02
cubexyz	and if the device driver crashes no biggie, you just kill it	May 27 07:03
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.hl7.com/x12.html this is the X12 that was existing making using X12 as a name a bad idea.	May 27 07:03
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oiaohm	cubexyz: minix is using a microkernel so driver and application are running in two different allocations of userspace memory.	May 27 07:04
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oiaohm	cubexyz: wayland and x11 have been horrible monolithic.	May 27 07:05
oiaohm	cubexyz: people forget when X11 use to have it own font server.	May 27 07:05
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oiaohm	cubexyz: even worse in the X11 protocol there is a standard for it own printer communication protocol	May 27 07:06
oiaohm	cubexyz: think you screen server running in it own memory space something like cups.	May 27 07:06
cubexyz	there was XPRINT	May 27 07:07
cubexyz	but I never used it	May 27 07:07
cubexyz	any X11 program could render output to the printer I think	May 27 07:07
oiaohm	X11 idea of a unlimited extendable protocol end up at complete insanity.	May 27 07:07
cubexyz	maybe FC1 could use that	May 27 07:08
cubexyz	heck, maybe vector classic could as well	May 27 07:09
cubexyz	and that reminds me, xpdf segfaults on vector :-/	May 27 07:10
oiaohm	https://www.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.1/doc/Xprint.7.html	May 27 07:11
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oiaohm	cubexyz: yes xprint was configure all you cups registered printers again.	May 27 07:11
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes xprint did include a x11 server to x11 server printing.	May 27 07:12
cubexyz	I remember in the old days each application had to include it's own printer code	May 27 07:12
cubexyz	e.g. WP	May 27 07:12
oiaohm	This is hang overs from then.	May 27 07:12
cubexyz	the bad old days	May 27 07:12
oiaohm	X11 is full of bad old days stuff.	May 27 07:12
oiaohm	wayland is kind of a sanity line in the sand.	May 27 07:13
cubexyz	but now I would just screenshot and print that	May 27 07:13
oiaohm	then working out do we need any of the old stuff or should we ditch it and move on.	May 27 07:13
oiaohm	question about ditch is if wayland should support remote or should applications just straight up support being put on a webserver.	May 27 07:14
oiaohm	or maybe wayland compistor should exist that does html5	May 27 07:15
oiaohm	There are some advantage to using html 5 like using javascript to validate user input.	May 27 07:16
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cubexyz	we don't _really_ need Xorint	May 27 07:18
cubexyz	Xprint	May 27 07:18
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cubexyz	there was the old command xpr	May 27 07:20
cubexyz	print an X window dump	May 27 07:20
cubexyz	so you can xwd then xpr	May 27 07:20
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cubexyz	yeah I don't have xpr on vector	May 27 07:22
oiaohm	cubexyz: the xwayland path will allow a X11 server per application for the insane ones.	May 27 07:22
cubexyz	but you can convert xwd stuff to png or whatever so no problem	May 27 07:23
cubexyz	as expected FC1 and openbsd 4.7 have xpr	May 27 07:24
cubexyz	I suppose I could get xpr easily enough	May 27 07:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: you have to remember you have places running applications from 1995 Linux because they are closed source for controlling some odd ball hardware from a company that no longer exists.	May 27 07:25
cubexyz	yes but singling out 1995 linux seems a bit unfair	May 27 07:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: those have lead to hey you cannot remove X feature from X11	May 27 07:26
cubexyz	it's much more likely that you have a closed source 1995 windows program	May 27 07:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is date from a real X11 bug report.	May 27 07:26
oiaohm	cubexyz: the glibc wrapping and other things to make those application work is horrible.	May 27 07:26
cubexyz	first I'd blame the manufacturer of the device	May 27 07:27
oiaohm	They are no more.	May 27 07:27
cubexyz	did they make the protocols available? that is the question	May 27 07:27
oiaohm	Most cases no they went into reciever ship and those have been sold to who know who then most likely lost them.	May 27 07:28
cubexyz	did they use some funky undocument chip inside the device, etc etc	May 27 07:28
oiaohm	Fairly much undocumented everything.	May 27 07:28
oiaohm	Before companies started to wake up and started demarding standard conforming stuff.	May 27 07:29
oiaohm	Even today we don't demard enough documentation out of hardware makers.	May 27 07:29
cubexyz	it's everything though	May 27 07:30
oiaohm	If something is critical to your business operations it should be documented.	May 27 07:30
cubexyz	radios, home applications, everything	May 27 07:30
cubexyz	right	May 27 07:30
oiaohm	Problem is once it come core and it not documented and the company no more then what.	May 27 07:30
oiaohm	wayland with xwayland will provide a cleaner way out of the hole than the existing X11 solution.	May 27 07:31
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cubexyz	oh yeah now I remember...	May 27 07:37
cubexyz	back when I was studying the study of X11 I saw X11R3 version of xpr	May 27 07:37
cubexyz	it wouldn't compile on anything modern though	May 27 07:38
cubexyz	studying the history :-/	May 27 07:38
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cubexyz	yeah xload, xman, xpr all got the axe some time ago	May 27 07:41
cubexyz	ok, anyways it will be interesting to have a look at the code	May 27 07:45
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DaemonFC	Wondering if Microsoft has much of a future to be honest.	May 27 07:47
DaemonFC	They only have a few products that aren't a disaster.	May 27 07:47
DaemonFC	By disaster, I mean fiscal disaster.	May 27 07:47
DaemonFC	They've been subsidizing hundreds of side ventures over the years with revenue from Windows and Office, but it always comes back to two products in the end.	May 27 07:48
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 even made fun of Microsoft.	May 27 07:48
DaemonFC	At the end of the movie, they give "Starlord" a Zune and tell him it's what everyone on Earth uses to play music now.	May 27 07:48
DaemonFC	Microsoft made no official comment, but according to some reports, they were not happy about that.	May 27 07:49
DaemonFC	Well, XBOX has been a succcessful division.	May 27 07:50
DaemonFC	It removed a use case for Windows, but they make it up on game royalties.	May 27 07:51
DaemonFC	John bought a PS4. I'm not liking console gaming too much these days. Downloadable games that only work on one console and don't have resale value is where it's all heading, and the controllers have these integrated batteries, so after 500-600 charge cycles you have to throw the whole damned thing away.	May 27 07:52
cubexyz	I get games from gog these days	May 27 07:52
cubexyz	if I'm feeling nostalgic I'll break out the sega genesis :)	May 27 07:52
cubexyz	I'd never buy a PS4 or a Xbox	May 27 07:55
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DaemonFC	The draw of a console is that they subsidize the hardware and you also know that the games are going to work and the performance level won't be unplayable.	May 27 07:57
DaemonFC	The downside is that you end up paying for your ownn discount after you've bought a few games.	May 27 07:58
DaemonFC	I liked the original xbox.	May 27 07:59
DaemonFC	Most people didn't. A lot of the games were crap.	May 27 07:59
DaemonFC	But I got it for $200 and there were _enough_ good titles for it.	May 27 07:59
DaemonFC	The launch titles were all horrible except for Halo.	May 27 08:00
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MinceR	oiaohm: that doesn't give them charte blanche to randomly throw things out that other people need, or to decide what software i will run.	May 27 14:13
oiaohm	MinceR: xwayland will be able to bundled with application. So yes the xwayland change allows distributions to limit down what can be run using included X11 but it also allows items like snap and flatpak to include their own X11.	May 27 15:00
oiaohm	MinceR: putting unified management between x11 mess of a protocol with issue and hardware allows dealing with it problems better.	May 27 15:01
MinceR	great. will it work with pointer capturing and warping?	May 27 15:01
oiaohm	MinceR: most cases these days under X11 that is done by libinput anyhow as most of X11 input drivers have been exterminated already.	May 27 15:03
MinceR	that's not an answer	May 27 15:03
MinceR	without pointer capturing and warping, you can't run fps games properly.	May 27 15:03
MinceR	(even some window manager features can be broken by it)	May 27 15:04
MinceR	but it's "insecure"	May 27 15:04
oiaohm	MinceR: it is an answer. pointer capturing and warping both work by libinput and that is the same on wayland and x11.	May 27 15:04
oiaohm	x.org X11 server is being systematically gutted.	May 27 15:05
oiaohm	MinceR: pointer capture and warping don't have to be insecure.	May 27 15:06
oiaohm	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland-Pointer-Confinement pointer capture is addressed by pointer confinement.	May 27 15:07
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MinceR	funny, at the end of this journey the waylandists may just realize that X features weren't insecure after all	May 27 15:08
oiaohm	wrong.	May 27 15:08
oiaohm	x11 allowed pointer capture when the pointer was no longer above your application.	May 27 15:08
oiaohm	without any special permission.	May 27 15:08
MinceR	guess what, that could be changed	May 27 15:09
MinceR	without reinventing X	May 27 15:09
oiaohm	Not really to make mouse warping work right with xwayland you have to pretend the mouse has gone outside field of view at times. Some applications have the insanity of the ghost moving window.	May 27 15:10
oiaohm	MinceR: reason for needing more than 1 X11 server some X11 applications design are really in the world of nuts.	May 27 15:11
MinceR	well, at least there's something that isn't nuts: dereferencing null pointers in pid1	May 27 15:11
MinceR	that's perfectly sane and normal	May 27 15:12
oiaohm	So you have not read the first audit reports on X.org.	May 27 15:12
oiaohm	they only found 2 million cases of that.	May 27 15:12
oiaohm	in 2006	May 27 15:12
MinceR	i didn't know X runs in pid1	May 27 15:13
oiaohm	MinceR: in some embedded devices yes.	May 27 15:13
MinceR	will there be a systemd-xd to go with systemd-mutterd?	May 27 15:13
MinceR	or with kmutter?	May 27 15:13
oiaohm	MinceR: some embedded devices start x11 as PID1	May 27 15:14
oiaohm	MinceR: so if it crashes system auto reboots.	May 27 15:14
MinceR	some people use X11 wrong, therefore we must destroy X11 and give them windows instead!	May 27 15:15
MinceR	of course!	May 27 15:15
oiaohm	Its not some a lot of people have been using X11 wrong.	May 27 15:15
oiaohm	And some are using X11 wrong to avoid issues that current day X11 servers don't have.	May 27 15:16
oiaohm	MinceR: remember before KMS x11 servers had to run as root user so a high privillage target.	May 27 15:17
MinceR	talk to openbsd guys about that :>	May 27 15:18
oiaohm	That root bit explains why wayland is going after having a network protocol as default.	May 27 15:18
oiaohm	So local and network protocol parts split in two.	May 27 15:18
MinceR	none of this justifies forcing systemd on users, or forcing client-side decorations on users	May 27 15:19
oiaohm	Client-side decorations come down to isolation.	May 27 15:19
oiaohm	and it not like X11 prevented applications from doing client-side decorations.	May 27 15:20
MinceR	it also didn't prevent the window manager from doing decorations properly	May 27 15:20
oiaohm	kwin wayland does windows boarders if applications allows it to.	May 27 15:21
oiaohm	So its in the protocol.	May 27 15:21
oiaohm	Even under X11 you could end up with the double window bared window where the wm had done decorations and the applicaiton had done as well.	May 27 15:22
oiaohm	The main reason for wayland preference for client side is to reduce down the number of buffer merges the system has to perform.	May 27 15:24
MinceR	usability and consistency be damned	May 27 15:25
MinceR	also, modularity	May 27 15:25
MinceR	put half the window manager in the display server, and the other half in the widget toolkit	May 27 15:25
oiaohm	So your forget xmms and others that had already under X11 say to wm no server side decorations.	May 27 15:26
MinceR	you forget that with fvwm, i can force decorations on them	May 27 15:26
MinceR	i could even force decorations on kicker's panel	May 27 15:26
MinceR	make it nonsticky, move it around	May 27 15:26
oiaohm	MinceR: with Kwin wayland you can force decorations as well.	May 27 15:26
MinceR	kwin is the odd one out, in this case	May 27 15:26
oiaohm	So it a wayland compositors choice and it included in the wayland protocol the options todo that.	May 27 15:27
MinceR	the rest of the cult believes in copying a windows design flaw that already had a workaround for one of its consequences in windows xp	May 27 15:27
MinceR	16 years ago.	May 27 15:27
MinceR	this is red hat's idea of "progress".	May 27 15:27
oiaohm	Mind you having all the menu bars then same does nothing about the menu bars.... everything else in the applications gui being different fonts and colours.	May 27 15:28
oiaohm	opps windows title bars should have been the first menu bars	May 27 15:28
oiaohm	Really does not matter if the stuff is rendered client or server the big thing need is uniform theming.	May 27 15:29
MinceR	yeah, such a great need	May 27 15:29
MinceR	let's destroy the entire GUI so we can have it	May 27 15:29
MinceR	and claim that the windowing systems they worship, windows and macos, both have it, even though they don't and they never did	May 27 15:29
MinceR	meanwhile they also worship the web, which is even less uniform	May 27 15:30
oiaohm	Both windows and macos from start of their graphical had uniform locations to look up basic things like default colours and fonts.	May 27 15:30
MinceR	yet none of those things can force gui applications to look alike	May 27 15:31
MinceR	also, in later windows versions you actually had to do magical stuff in your application so windows lets you use the latest theme	May 27 15:31
oiaohm	Also windows can force title bars on it.	May 27 15:31
MinceR	and at least the one macos x version i tried with greater interest had 2 different skins right in the Finder	May 27 15:31
MinceR	it had 2 different UIs, one with the ruled paper with drops of blue liquid theme, and one with the brushed metal theme	May 27 15:32
MinceR	also, i wonder how will these people force gtk themes on mc	May 27 15:32
MinceR	or on iptraf	May 27 15:32
MinceR	or on ncmpcpp	May 27 15:33
MinceR	or on java applications that use swing and let the user pick a theme	May 27 15:33
oiaohm	MinceR: people also forget that wm was added latter to X11	May 27 15:34
oiaohm	MinceR: the first X11 server if you wanted a title bar you application had to render it by it self.	May 27 15:35
MinceR	and it was possibly the greatest thing that ever happened to windowing systems	May 27 15:35
MinceR	because it meant that if you didn't like your window manager, you could replace it	May 27 15:35
oiaohm	Its double sided.	May 27 15:35
MinceR	and that if your system was set up appropriately, and your window manager crashed, you could start it again without losing your work	May 27 15:36
MinceR	this is also software engineering 101	May 27 15:36
oiaohm	It also meant working out proper theming storage between applications stopped as well.	May 27 15:36
MinceR	and therefore poettering knows nothing about it	May 27 15:36
MinceR	isn't that one of the things xrdb can do?	May 27 15:36
MinceR	set and store settings in one place, let all x clients access them	May 27 15:37
MinceR	your applications and your window manager are x clients	May 27 15:37
oiaohm	It should but that never developed to be the go to place for theming.	May 27 15:37
MinceR	there probably are other ways you can make the same information available to all x clients	May 27 15:37
oiaohm	Again after title bars matched a lot of toolkits were not forced to use common theming. Its like gtk or qt on windows you watch them go to common theming there yet then they cannot do that on Linux.	May 27 15:38
MinceR	you can hardly even configure title bars on winblows	May 27 15:39
MinceR	hell, when they added support for this in xp, they required themes to be signed in some way just to get in your way	May 27 15:39
MinceR	and of course on macos pretty much the only thing they let you configure is what color selected text appears with	May 27 15:40
MinceR	which is a joke to anyone who has ever used a non-crippled windowing system	May 27 15:41
MinceR	on vista7, i had to disable "aero" so i could set the font the GUI used	May 27 15:41
MinceR	ridiculous	May 27 15:41
MinceR	but apparently this is what poettering and his flunkies believe we should be forced into	May 27 15:41
oiaohm	with compositors under x11 crashing that was more fatal. One of the things built into wayland is that the compistor can be stopped and the applications can reconnect.	May 27 15:41
oiaohm	So wayland design do deal with a few bad issues.	May 27 15:42
MinceR	won't help if the compositor triggers a GPU driver bug that makes the entire computer freeze	May 27 15:42
MinceR	also, the compositor uses extra memory i may have a better use for	May 27 15:42
oiaohm	GPU is meant to have a functional watchdog.	May 27 15:42
oiaohm	GPU freese way more often than most people know as over 99 percent of cases the gpu is restarted in background without you ever knowing.	May 27 15:44
MinceR	that meaning doesn't mean anything unless someone can force GPU designers to actually do it properly	May 27 15:45
oiaohm	MinceR: one of the reasons for client side decorations is to reduce memory foot print.	May 27 15:45
MinceR	GPUs are out of users' control	May 27 15:45
oiaohm	MinceR: better if GPU designs would not design GPU that crash as part of normal operations	May 27 15:45
MinceR	how will keeping half a window manager in GTK+ in memory, another half a window manager in Qt in memory, and one for every other toolkit save memory?	May 27 15:45
oiaohm	???	May 27 15:46
MinceR	maybe if they managed to ban non-gnome applications -- but if they can do that, most of this scrambling to take users' freedoms away is for naught	May 27 15:46
oiaohm	Don't you understand how wayland is doing it memory.	May 27 15:46
MinceR	oiaohm: well, who renders CSD-s, who makes their controls work?	May 27 15:46
MinceR	the toolkit does.	May 27 15:46
MinceR	this is one of the main problems with CSD.	May 27 15:47
MinceR	every toolkit will have its own idea of how it should look, how it should work	May 27 15:47
MinceR	it will have to be loaded into your memory and running on your CPU to make it work	May 27 15:47
oiaohm	That is true under X11 using opengl for everything bar the titlebar.	May 27 15:47
MinceR	and since it's a pointless task foisted on toolkit developers, they'll half-ass it	May 27 15:47
oiaohm	As you find gtk and qt already doing.	May 27 15:47
MinceR	yeah, for wayland	May 27 15:48
oiaohm	gtk and qt are doign that under X11	May 27 15:48
MinceR	wayland already managed to bloat the 2 most used toolkits for all of us	May 27 15:48
oiaohm	before wayland comes along.	May 27 15:48
MinceR	show me a client-side title bar on a gtk and on a qt application on x11.	May 27 15:48
MinceR	gnome developers already half-assed everything a DE does	May 27 15:48
MinceR	even if earlier gnome versions did it right, they tossed it into a shredder	May 27 15:48
MinceR	27 164826 < MinceR> show me a client-side title bar on a gtk and on a qt application on x11.	May 27 15:49
MinceR	rendered and operated by the toolkit.	May 27 15:49
MinceR	don't bother me with what xmms renders for itself, it doesn't count.	May 27 15:49
oiaohm	MinceR: gtk has had a headerbar for a long time that is client side title bar option.	May 27 15:51
oiaohm	MinceR: and qt has the same.	May 27 15:51
MinceR	i have yet to see it on x	May 27 15:52
oiaohm	MinceR: both were require when running straight on framebuffer without X11 at all.	May 27 15:52
MinceR	afaik they do not support that	May 27 15:52
MinceR	oh, framebuffer	May 27 15:52
MinceR	for a moment i thought x11 without wm :)	May 27 15:52
MinceR	i doubt the binaries i have will launch on a framebuffer without x	May 27 15:52
oiaohm	Yes the feature could be turned on under x11.	May 27 15:53
MinceR	so, why the bloat?	May 27 15:53
MinceR	why do i have to pay for stuff i'll never use?	May 27 15:53
oiaohm	For testing.	May 27 15:53
oiaohm	So testing out embedded application under x11 you would have two title bars one toolkit generated one X11 wm generated.	May 27 15:53
MinceR	yeah, i'm testing whether that dead code really remains dead the whole time these applications are running	May 27 15:54
MinceR	so exciting!	May 27 15:54
oiaohm	Of course you load qt and gtk into memory with a normal application under X11 and that stuff was coming along for the ride anyhow.	May 27 15:55
oiaohm	Same with most of the other so called X11 toolkits.	May 27 15:55
oiaohm	a lot of CSD has been in system as never run code.	May 27 15:56
oiaohm	to most users.	May 27 15:56
oiaohm	wayland goal with CSD is that only 1 buffer were possible will be used between client and server. Instead of under X11 where your toolkit has a buffer. The windows manager has to now create another buffer to put the clientside dectorations in and merge with buffer applciation has provided.	May 27 15:58
oiaohm	So wm model of X11 was consuming up 3 buffers allocations to where CSD can successfuly use 1 buffer allocation.	May 27 15:59
MinceR	wayland has all the wrong goals	May 27 15:59
MinceR	and all the important functionality is sacrificed	May 27 15:59
oiaohm	You cannot have everything.	May 27 16:01
oiaohm	Not all users want everything.	May 27 16:01
oiaohm	CSD has it place. Interesting point is even that wayland allows windows to CSD wayland also include means that buttons on the tittle bar triggers like close still go to the compositor.	May 27 16:03
oiaohm	MinceR: so wayland is a halfway between pure CSD and Server side.	May 27 16:04
MinceR	27 170138 < oiaohm> Not all users want everything.	May 27 16:04
MinceR	and then you're baffled that some people stick with X11.	May 27 16:04
oiaohm	I am not baffled at all.	May 27 16:05
oiaohm	Human resist change.	May 27 16:05
oiaohm	You complain about systemd over bundling stuff then you start demarding that wayland includes every feature.	May 27 16:06
oiaohm	Really MinceR its about time you start getting your arguements aligned.	May 27 16:06
MinceR	oiaohm: here's an interesting fact: not all change has to be for the worse.	May 27 16:06
MinceR	and no, i don't demand that wayland include every feature	May 27 16:07
MinceR	i demand that wayland allow someone implement every feature	May 27 16:07
MinceR	X11 doesn't include a window manager, yet you can use one with X11.	May 27 16:07
oiaohm	X11 protocol does include windows manager defined what it is.	May 27 16:07
MinceR	see, modularity and running multiple processes on a system may scare poettering, but they really are good ideas.	May 27 16:07
oiaohm	wayland does something different.	May 27 16:08
MinceR	the ICCCM and the EWMH do, though	May 27 16:08
MinceR	possibly others too	May 27 16:08
oiaohm	Wayland defines that application and run without a wayland compsitor.	May 27 16:08
oiaohm	So compistor dies you can start another one.	May 27 16:08
MinceR	that's great, then i can run them on X	May 27 16:08
oiaohm	X11 you have to use a third party like https://xpra.org/ to have that feature.	May 27 16:09
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oiaohm	So instead of changable wm wayland does changeable compositors.	May 27 16:10
oiaohm	Of course we still have issues of the likes of gnome not implementing changeable. We are back to the days of some of the early wm nightmares.	May 27 16:14
oiaohm	MinceR: https://plus.google.com/+MartinGr%C3%A4%C3%9Flin/posts/HsMpE238jUL correctly designed wayland stuff can live threw compistor crashes and replacements.	May 27 16:17
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oiaohm	MinceR: so software done right under wayland should be a lot stronger than X11 of course its getting the developers to make it durable.	May 27 16:17
MinceR	"stronger"	May 27 16:19
MinceR	it remains to be seen whether they'll be able to do what people like me depend on and whether they'll run without any massive backdoors	May 27 16:19
oiaohm	Wayland protocol is design with the idea of server loss.	May 27 16:21
oiaohm	X11 is not design with that that is where xpra comes in.	May 27 16:22
oiaohm	MinceR: so some places wayland is better designed.	May 27 16:22
oiaohm	MinceR: I do agree with you that wayland is still developing and it has possibility of being good due to design. Remember X11 with the likes of cookie already had massive backdoors.	May 27 16:25
oiaohm	So it should be possible with time to be better than X11 due to how much was wrong with it.	May 27 16:26
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MinceR	i wonder how will your idols try to force mutter on people before it's ready	May 27 17:36
MinceR	it's not possible for it to be better than X11 if the people designing it do not understand X11	May 27 17:37
MinceR	if they'll just try to copy windows and macos, it won't ever be as good as X11	May 27 17:37
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oiaohm	MinceR: again here is a rant of like Microsoft or macos. Neither of those are designed to a proper compositor restart.	May 27 17:50
MinceR	they're also not designed to be flexible, or to give the user any sort of choice	May 27 17:51
oiaohm	MinceR: wayland lead developers are x.org ones.	May 27 17:51
MinceR	except for Hobson's, of course	May 27 17:51
MinceR	your favorite kind	May 27 17:51
oiaohm	MinceR: no point here you again going off with baseless facts.	May 27 17:51
MinceR	yeah, i wonder if there are any x.org developers left who actually know and care about x	May 27 17:51
MinceR	and are not just "free"desktop.org munchkins from red hat	May 27 17:51
oiaohm	wayland is started as X12.	May 27 17:52
oiaohm	That is to take X11 back to be simple again.	May 27 17:52
oiaohm	Instead of a stack of nightmare X11 had become.	May 27 17:52
MinceR	yet they were pushing it as an X replacement when it couldn't do pointer grabbing, pointer warping, server-side decorations and had the window manager merged into the display server and the GUI toolkit	May 27 17:52
MinceR	they kept insisting those things are unnecessary	May 27 17:53
MinceR	and "insecure"	May 27 17:53
MinceR	oh, also, screenshots	May 27 17:53
MinceR	who the hell needs screenshots anyway...	May 27 17:53
oiaohm	How they were implemented in X11 they were all wrong.	May 27 17:53
oiaohm	Wayland developer built a solid core design then expanded from there.	May 27 17:53
MinceR	ah, of course, how could i not know that	May 27 17:54
oiaohm	So you are saying wayland developers should have started like systemd did.	May 27 17:54
MinceR	the solution to something not being implemented correctly is, of course, to not implement it at all, anymore	May 27 17:54
oiaohm	With every feature and 90 percent busted.	May 27 17:54
MinceR	no	May 27 17:54
oiaohm	that is what you are saying.	May 27 17:55
MinceR	i'm saying that they should have started like systemd should have started	May 27 17:55
oiaohm	You are saying they could not start of minimal.	May 27 17:55
MinceR	with clear goals and making it clear that it isn't done until it's done.	May 27 17:55
MinceR	systemd shouldn't have neglected making cgroups work	May 27 17:55
MinceR	since they rely on it	May 27 17:55
oiaohm	wayland has had a stack of clear goals first started on the x.org x11 page.	May 27 17:55
MinceR	and it still doesn't work!	May 27 17:55
MinceR	so what?	May 27 17:55
oiaohm	wayland is not systemd.	May 27 17:55
oiaohm	Development way different.	May 27 17:55
MinceR	redhat and m$ have already shown what can be done with infiltrating organizations	May 27 17:55
MinceR	entryism.	May 27 17:55
oiaohm	No redhat either.	May 27 17:56
oiaohm	The developers behind wayland core are not redhat.	May 27 17:56
MinceR	yeah, "free"desktop.org and gnome are not redhat	May 27 17:56
MinceR	pay no attention to the man behind the curtain	May 27 17:56
oiaohm	Not freedesktop either.	May 27 17:56
oiaohm	So far nothing right	May 27 17:56
MinceR	also, the fact that all implementations except kwin (and maybe that tiling wm i forgot the name of) won't do server-side decorations is also only a coincidence	May 27 17:58
MinceR	or that they all depend on logind	May 27 17:58
oiaohm	two lines of incorrect	May 27 17:59
oiaohm	Come on when will you get a single point correct.	May 27 17:59
MinceR	[citation needed]	May 27 18:00
oiaohm	There are 4 wayland composistoers in existance with server side decorations. Mind you 3 are used in cars.	May 27 18:00
oiaohm	Enlightenment wayland implementation include server side decorations and that is one you should know.	May 27 18:01
oiaohm	MinceR: and logind has nothing to-do with server-side decorations.	May 27 18:02
MinceR	yeah	May 27 18:02
MinceR	it has to do with forcing systemd on people	May 27 18:02
MinceR	another malfeature you love	May 27 18:02
oiaohm	Again wrong.	May 27 18:03
oiaohm	MinceR: I mostly pick on you for systemd because you have facts wrong not because I like it.	May 27 18:03
oiaohm	logind before it was merged with system contained a idea that display server could avoid needing root privillage.	May 27 18:04
MinceR	wrong, i have the facts right, and you love systemd	May 27 18:04
MinceR	ooh, contained an idea	May 27 18:04
oiaohm	MinceR: then please explain why I pushed for debian to go openrc not systemd.	May 27 18:05
MinceR	and then you pretend the only way that "idea" could be implemented is by having a massive hairball in pid1	May 27 18:05
MinceR	running as root	May 27 18:05
MinceR	oiaohm: prove you pushed for that.	May 27 18:05
MinceR	not that it mattered, the redhat munchkins in position simply pretended openrc doesn't even exist.	May 27 18:05
oiaohm	MinceR: it in the bug opened about debain init choice.	May 27 18:05
oiaohm	MinceR: it public record you are presuming things about me that are not fact.	May 27 18:05
oiaohm	Just like you do all the time.	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	About wayland about systemd about me you do the same crap all the time.	May 27 18:06
MinceR	yet you advertise systemd here every day	May 27 18:06
MinceR	like they were paying you for it	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	No I don't.	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	I have never first raised the point of systemd.	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	here	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	ever	May 27 18:06
oiaohm	If anyone is paid it you who is paid to take anti redhat point of view spreading incorrect facts.	May 27 18:07
MinceR	good thing you're here with your Alternative Facts	May 27 18:07
oiaohm	My stuff tracks to commit entries when stuff happened in otherwords the public record.	May 27 18:08
oiaohm	Not guess me stuff like you have been using.	May 27 18:08
oiaohm	wayland started on x.org then got moved by developer to freedesktop when it come clear that x.org accounting was in trouble.	May 27 18:09
MinceR	if only redhat cared half as much about software engineering as they care about the public record	May 27 18:09
MinceR	ah yes, holy "free"desktop.org to the rescue	May 27 18:09
MinceR	and then people wonder why it depends on cancerd	May 27 18:10
oiaohm	wayland lead developer is paid for by university	May 27 18:10
MinceR	i wonder who pays the university	May 27 18:10
oiaohm	redhat has no power over him.	May 27 18:10
oiaohm	french government.	May 27 18:10
MinceR	BME had an entire department bought by m$	May 27 18:10
oiaohm	Zero funds from redhat to that uni.	May 27 18:10
oiaohm	Also here something else really nasty of course wayland is not going to depend on systemd. The lead developer happens to be a core developer in freebsd	May 27 18:12
MinceR	maybe he's a True Believer	May 27 18:12
MinceR	so why do weston and mutter depend on cancerd?	May 27 18:12
MinceR	will they port cancerd to freebsd too?	May 27 18:12
oiaohm	MinceR: weston does not.	May 27 18:12
oiaohm	MinceR: never has.	May 27 18:12
oiaohm	MinceR: again core wayland nothing redhat linked its you dream crap up.	May 27 18:13
oiaohm	mutter there is a redhat link there.	May 27 18:13
MinceR	oh, right, they depend on logind, which just happens to be a part of systemd	May 27 18:13
oiaohm	MinceR: weston uses logind or freebsd alterantive to get graphical access.	May 27 18:14
oiaohm	MinceR: freebsd had a method for a while to have X11 runnign without root.	May 27 18:14
MinceR	there you go, lying as usual	May 27 18:14
MinceR	and accusing me of lying	May 27 18:14
oiaohm	MinceR: I am not lying it in the weston source code	May 27 18:14
MinceR	pretending one can have logind without systemd	May 27 18:15
MinceR	when in fact, one can not	May 27 18:15
oiaohm	weston does not need logind on bsd solution.	May 27 18:15
MinceR	the bsd solution is unavailable on gnu/linux.	May 27 18:15
oiaohm	Correct at long last point that is correct.	May 27 18:16
oiaohm	It releated to how bsd is able to track services.	May 27 18:16
oiaohm	How the tty is done.	May 27 18:16
MinceR	you should take this talk to the court. i'm sure they'd appreciate it there.	May 27 18:17
oiaohm	MinceR: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2016-December/064198.html this is a report from 2016	May 27 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freebsd.org \| Wayland update [ http://ur1.ca/qxit4 ]		May 27 18:21
oiaohm	MinceR: everything that is wayland that need logind is not ported yet.	May 27 18:22
oiaohm	MinceR: so there is another method in wayland that works without logind for a large number of wayland compistors when not running as root.	May 27 18:22
oiaohm	MinceR: but that method is not part of Linux kernel.	May 27 18:23
MinceR	http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/being-an-adult http://smbc-comics.com/comics/1494942581-20170516after.png	May 27 18:29
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oiaohm	MinceR: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=login.conf ever looked at how freebsd login system in fact works.	May 27 18:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freebsd.org \| login.conf [ http://ur1.ca/qxiuc ]		May 27 18:37
MinceR	i don't really care, i'm not planning to use freebsd	May 27 18:38
oiaohm	MinceR: it does not have logind but the login system can do lots of things like logind does in setup. Like opening devices to limited applications of the user.	May 27 18:38
MinceR	does freebsd need to run a massive hairball in pid1 for it to work?	May 27 18:39
oiaohm	bsd kernels have a authenication system in kernel that the Linux kernel does not have instead.	May 27 18:39
oiaohm	MinceR: so PID or IPC authenication system in kernel choose your poison.	May 27 18:41
MinceR	i wonder how openbsd does it	May 27 18:41
oiaohm	The same	May 27 18:41
oiaohm	its openbsd design.	May 27 18:41
oiaohm	So there should be no need for logind in most cases on bsds due to the existing features in kernel.	May 27 18:43
oiaohm	This is were you start getting into kernel dependant differences.	May 27 18:43
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