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cubexyzI can build APL\11 1976 edition on Unix v6May 21 00:24
cubexyzthe simplest way to get programs into this version is to look at old APL\360 codeMay 21 00:40
cubexyzI got some code here from 1976 or 1977 but I haven't managed to get it to workMay 21 00:41
cubexyzit's a real bother but I've started suffixing the APL programs with the yearMay 21 00:44
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cubexyzah, glorious progress :)May 21 01:24
cubexyzdidn't help that there was no documentationMay 21 01:24
cubexyzthis is actual 1975 APL code May 21 01:25
cubexyzpretty hard to decipherMay 21 01:26
cubexyzat least I know what it is nowMay 21 01:26
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/apl-1975-decimal-to-hex.txtMay 21 01:26
cubexyzso to use it is dth followed by the decimal number you want converted to hexMay 21 01:27
cubexyze.g. dth 10 returns 0000000aMay 21 01:28
cubexyzstill not sure what the other programs doMay 21 01:29
cubexyzexcept that htd converts hex to decimalMay 21 01:30
cubexyzwith htd it is necessary to bracket the argument with K'sMay 21 01:39
cubexyzso:May 21 01:39
cubexyzhtd K100K returns 256 as expectedMay 21 01:39
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/apl-1975-running-on-unix-5a.pngMay 21 01:49
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cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/apl-1975-running-on-unix-v5a.pngMay 21 01:49
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange He usually gets it right. Esp. on...'May 21 04:57
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange He usually gets it right....'May 21 05:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/omponk_32/status/866224988558213120May 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    PCLinuxOS Roll-Up Release: Another Linux installed on myMay 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines @omponk_32      new notebook https://t.co/3PSEY4zMpeMay 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/N2LdPiKF4rMay 21 05:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PCLinuxOS Roll-Up Release: Another Linux installed on my new notebook | Tux MachinesMay 21 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: PCLinuxOS Roll-Up Release: Another Linux installed on my new notebook https://t.co/3PSEY4zMpe https://t.co/N2LdPiKF4rMay 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866225821882621952May 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines                 #Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shieldsMay 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/bdogsesbXw (linuxgizmos.com) #linuxMay 21 05:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shieldsMay 21 05:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866225941021835264May 21 05:55
TweetTuxMachines                 NHS mulling Ubuntu switch after Windows XP fail?May 21 05:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/M53wBJde6L (www.trustedreviews.com)May 21 05:55
TweetTuxMachines                 #nhs already uses #gnu #linux at back end. Why notMay 21 05:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.trustedreviews.com | NHS mulling Ubuntu switch after Windows XP fail?May 21 05:55
TweetTuxMachines                 desktops too?May 21 05:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866231241015676928May 21 05:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shieldsMay 21 05:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/giwyGrnc5j (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 05:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shields | Tux MachinesMay 21 05:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866231242160611328May 21 07:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Wine Staging 2.7 https://t.co/oPb6VcftLiMay 21 07:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 07:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Staging 2.7 | Tux MachinesMay 21 07:17
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*TweetTuxMachines @Seenovinc favourited '#Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shields...'May 21 07:47
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866279213334011904May 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines                 How about this? Starting next month, GNU/Linux newsMay 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines                 typically posted by @tuxmachines then just RTd/shared byMay 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines                 me? To avoid dupes...May 21 09:23
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TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866283306395893760May 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines                 For many years (over a decade) I kept abreast ofMay 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines                 GNU/Linux news, but it's time to partly move on and passMay 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines                 the baton to @tuxmachines mostlyMay 21 09:23
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @JulianAssange Sweden has harmed its reputation by...'May 21 09:38
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @JulianAssange Sweden has harmed its...'May 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866287989655130113May 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support theMay 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5CMay 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/aTLeWswGIuMay 21 09:44
TweetTuxMachines May 21 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop | Tux MachinesMay 21 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C https://t.co/aTLeWswGIuMay 21 09:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/io_r_us/status/866288445869764608May 21 10:14
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support theMay 21 10:14
TweetTuxMachines @io_r_us        Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5CMay 21 10:14
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/aTLeWswGIuMay 21 10:15
TweetTuxMachines May 21 10:15
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity @VincentKompany Once again, within just minutes, ...'May 21 10:16
MinceRhttp://www.rejectedprincesses.com/princesses/sutematsu-oyamaMay 21 10:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rejectedprincesses.com | Sutematsu Oyama: Japan's First College-Educated WomanMay 21 10:26
MinceRhttps://twitter.com/dotMudge/status/865985007428313088May 21 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dotMudge: During early L0pht days I was a Unix admin for ~50 DoD/USG systems. The government would not let me make needed changes to secure them (1/N)May 21 10:32
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity This certainly is an appetiser for next...'May 21 10:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866306988526911490May 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines                 5 reasons the D programming language is a great choiceMay 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines                 for development https://t.co/1PEBhR93wv (opensource.com)May 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines May 21 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-5 reasons the D programming language is a great choice for development | Opensource.comMay 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307136216748033May 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnome 3.26 DevelopmentsMay 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/tsZLxopKdp (blogs.gnome.org)May 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines May 21 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | 3.26 Developments – Zen and the Art of GNOMEMay 21 10:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307218034970624May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines                 “Meson is definitely getting more traction in GNOME (andMay 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines                 other projects), with many components adding support for”May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/EXS2cqzydo (www.bassi.io)May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines May 21 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bassi.io | halting problem : Further experiments in MesonMay 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307392731881472May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Brisk Menu 0.4.0 Is Out with Super Key Support, Adapts toMay 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Vertical Panel Layouts https://t.co/BrnYSCMHs8May 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)May 21 10:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Brisk Menu 0.4.0 Is Out with Super Key Support, Adapts to Vertical Panel LayoutsMay 21 10:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307430149275648May 21 11:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Total War: #SHOGUN 2 & Fall of the Samurai Launch onMay 21 11:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux and #SteamOS on May 23 https://t.co/dtYqrNYZOzMay 21 11:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)May 21 11:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Total War: SHOGUN 2 & Fall of the Samurai Launch on Linux and SteamOS on May 23 - Updated - Softpedia LinuxMay 21 11:00
*TweetTuxMachines @RemoteWorkingCo favourited 'Total War: #SHOGUN 2 & Fall of the...'May 21 11:00
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/SlrD5Dv.jpgMay 21 11:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866307610751811584May 21 11:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support theMay 21 11:18
TweetTuxMachines                 #Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/PNr62oz1QUMay 21 11:18
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)May 21 11:18
TweetTuxMachines May 21 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux LaptopMay 21 11:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866312139786539008May 21 11:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Releases: 4.11.2, 4.10.17, 4.9.29, 4.4.69, 3.18.53May 21 11:19
TweetTuxMachines                 and 3.18.54 https://t.co/PU6bNtX01i (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 11:19
TweetTuxMachines May 21 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Releases: 4.11.2, 4.10.17, 4.9.29, 4.4.69, 3.18.53 and 3.18.54 | Tux MachinesMay 21 11:19
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity What a moment. Who in Watford would...'May 21 11:22
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Chelsea has shed light on shady dealings...'May 21 11:22
MinceRhttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/18/dell_bios_update_borks_pcs/May 21 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Dell BIOS update borks PCs • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/qwgav ]May 21 11:31
MinceRhttps://twitter.com/pixelnull/status/866266179702333440May 21 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixelnull: This gif of Bannon scared to death is now my favorite thing on the internet. https://t.co/zLUsJJAEoaMay 21 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixelnull: This gif of Bannon scared to death is now my favorite thing on the internet. https://t.co/zLUsJJAEoaMay 21 11:33
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Chelsea has shed light on...'May 21 11:40
*TweetTuxMachines @debexpert favourited 'NHS mulling Ubuntu switch after Windows XP fail?...'May 21 11:40
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity City the kings of possession this season,...'May 21 11:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866320337490722816May 21 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017May 21 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/r394ZqSYgM (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/1BlQAkyCpZMay 21 11:51
TweetTuxMachines May 21 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017 | Tux MachinesMay 21 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017 https://t.co/r394ZqSYgM https://t.co/1BlQAkyCpZMay 21 11:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866328749167452161May 21 12:25
TweetTuxMachines                 KDE Leftovers https://t.co/aKvOP8d1qdMay 21 12:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 12:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 21 12:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329135164960769May 21 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Getting Free Software into our users’ handsMay 21 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6KntnWghZR (www.proli.net)May 21 12:26
TweetTuxMachines May 21 12:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proli.net | Getting Free Software into our users’ hands | TheBlindCowMay 21 12:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329425226326017May 21 12:27
TweetTuxMachines                 5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps to RemotelyMay 21 12:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Access a Computer https://t.co/9sE54WhfIyMay 21 12:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.maketecheasier.com)May 21 12:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps to Remote Access a ComputerMay 21 12:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866329674816774145May 21 12:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017May 21 12:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Oiq3JBeLRJ (www.techradar.com)May 21 12:55
TweetTuxMachines May 21 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top 10 Linux distros for developers in 2017 | TechRadarMay 21 12:55
*TweetTuxMachines @jesusguevarauto favourited '5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps...'May 21 12:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/jesusguevarauto/status/866336581963173888May 21 12:56
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps to RemotelyMay 21 12:56
TweetTuxMachines @jesusguevarauto  Access a Computer https://t.co/9sE54WhfIyMay 21 12:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.maketecheasier.com)May 21 12:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited '5 of the Best Linux Remote Desktop Apps...'May 21 13:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866345103073333248May 21 13:31
TweetTuxMachines                 White House Tech Policy Brought by MicrosoftMay 21 13:31
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/r9B0IMZPFf (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 13:31
TweetTuxMachines May 21 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | White House Tech Policy Brought by Microsoft | Tux MachinesMay 21 13:31
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/d8NMbcE.jpgMay 21 13:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Australia is far too keen and even...'May 21 13:56
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/2IN7hQh.gif   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/NEaAu )May 21 14:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support...'May 21 14:59
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Brisk Menu 0.4.0 Is Out with Super Key...'May 21 14:59
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support...'May 21 14:59
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/ZW9sEtP.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/7UbTv )May 21 15:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Various animals stop for a drink of waterMay 21 15:59
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Total War: #SHOGUN 2 & Fall of the...'May 21 16:20
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/transubstantiationMay 21 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Transubstantiation [ http://ur1.ca/qwiag ]May 21 16:26
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cubexyzVint Cerf is complaining about text written in WordPerfect from 20 years agoMay 21 18:11
cubexyzuh, maybe convert that to ASCII?May 21 18:12
MinceR:>May 21 18:17
oiaohmcubexyz: odd balls like 20 year old wordperfect documents is something I use Libreoffice for.May 21 18:25
cubexyzprintouts are good tooMay 21 18:26
MinceRthey're bulky and heavyMay 21 18:26
cubexyzif Bell Labs printed all their source code, we wouldn't have lost so much May 21 18:26
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TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866426901992099840May 21 18:54
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Media and Staff Association Elections at #EPO and #WIPOMay 21 18:54
TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines    Are Compromised https://t.co/1tf4ZVxXga (techrights.org)May 21 18:54
TweetTuxMachines                 #gurry #battistelliMay 21 18:54
TweetTuxMachines May 21 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Media and Staff Association Elections at EPO and WIPO Are Compromised | TechrightsMay 21 18:54
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866426965233770496May 21 18:58
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    The wait is over. #epo news announcements are publishedMay 21 18:58
TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines    in #techrights before the EPO gets to itMay 21 18:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/fnAa3BN5ln (techrights.org) #eia17May 21 18:58
TweetTuxMachines May 21 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leaked: 2017 European Inventor Award Finalists, or Stooges Whom the Tyrant Battistelli Exploits for PR Purposes and Media Manipulation | TechrightsMay 21 18:58
cubexyzwhat are you going to trust for long term storage, magnetic media?May 21 19:05
MinceRwhatever it is, it should probably copied to newer media every now and thenMay 21 19:05
MinceRother than that, perhaps something like M-DISCMay 21 19:05
cubexyzpaper will last for over 100 yearsMay 21 19:05
MinceRalso, possibly multiple technologies at the same timeMay 21 19:05
MinceRpaper is heavy, bulky and a nightmare to manageMay 21 19:05
MinceReven if you print something like QR codes, the data density is abysmalMay 21 19:06
cubexyzm-disc sureMay 21 19:06
cubexyza ten pack is about $60 CAN thoughMay 21 19:07
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cubexyzthe m-disc drives are only around $39.99May 21 19:09
oiaohmcubexyz: paper correctly handed lasts about 1000 years.   Its the ink that normally comes problemmatic.May 21 19:11
cubexyzI've seen parts of paper dissolveMay 21 19:11
oiaohmcubexyz: note the correctly handled bit.May 21 19:12
cubexyzthis happened with an old science book I have from the mid-1970sMay 21 19:12
oiaohmcubexyz: there are rules of archives if they are obeyed include no human allow to touch the paper the life span is very much expanded.May 21 19:12
cubexyzno text was lost thoughMay 21 19:12
cubexyzwell the only reason we still have Unix version 1 is because of paperMay 21 19:13
cubexyzsome early computers used paper tapeMay 21 19:13
cubexyzanyways, for video m-disc is probably the way to goMay 21 19:14
cubexyzI was merely thinking about preserving old source codeMay 21 19:14
cubexyzI lost some important executables for the commodore 64, but I printed the source code out over 30 years agoMay 21 19:15
oiaohmThere is a theory calcuation that a A4 page printed  could hold a max of 293mb uncompressed data.May 21 19:16
oiaohmThat is double sided of course.May 21 19:16
oiaohmand scan that would be trouble.May 21 19:16
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866428048643469313May 21 19:16
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Documents Help Demonstrate That #ILO DeliversMay 21 19:16
TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines    Institutional Injustice to #EPO Employees and Cushions May 21 19:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #Battistelli https://t.co/LsAD9MW03d (techrights.org)May 21 19:16
TweetTuxMachines May 21 19:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Documents Help Demonstrate That ILO Delivers Institutional Injustice to EPO Employees and Cushions Team Battistelli | TechrightsMay 21 19:16
oiaohmSo it yes you can put 293mb of data on a bit of A4 but then have nothing to read it back.May 21 19:17
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cubexyzgiven the expensive of m-disc some folks might just copy all their discs every few yearsMay 21 19:19
cubexyzs/expensive/expense/May 21 19:19
oiaohmm-disc are good tech it going to be great when the patent expires and we have competition in production.May 21 19:20
oiaohmcubexyz: 2030 is when the m-disc patents give up the ghost.May 21 19:22
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timet_2hello everyoneMay 21 19:57
timet_2does anyone know where I can get more info on software reviews for A+ Practice test?May 21 19:58
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cubexyzso patientMay 21 20:01
cubexyznot a great test btwMay 21 20:06
cubexyzvery superficialMay 21 20:07
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TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866450581929435137May 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    LEAKED: European Inventor Award Finalists, or StoogesMay 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines    Whom the Tyrant #Battistelli ExploitsMay 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/fnAa3BN5ln (techrights.org) #eia17May 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Finalists. #epoMay 21 20:40
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TweetTuxMachines                 The way I think division of topics (and 'labour') wouldMay 21 21:05
TweetTuxMachines                 work best is, my account will post non-Linux things andMay 21 21:05
TweetTuxMachines                 only RT @tuxmachines on GNU*May 21 21:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866476883759685633May 21 22:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #Android Leftovers https://t.co/5ZG2q3rQLyMay 21 22:14
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers https://t.co/5ZG2q3rQLy #google #linux #androidO #sony'May 21 22:20
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TweetTuxMachines                 The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)May 21 22:28
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)...'May 21 22:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866482263583637504May 21 22:35
TweetTuxMachines                 #Lubuntu Vs. #Xubuntu https://t.co/gajL367hSVMay 21 22:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #lxde #xfce #gnu #linux #ubuntuMay 21 22:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Lubuntu Vs. #Xubuntu https://t.co/gajL367hSV #lxde #xfce #gnu #linux...'May 21 22:36
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TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/QAurqKHKJkMay 21 22:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 21 22:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866482904402083840May 21 22:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Lubuntu Vs. Xubuntu https://t.co/FJWXxgdmhFMay 21 22:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lubuntu Vs. Xubuntu | Tux MachinesMay 21 22:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866483296275845121May 21 22:39
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB (tuxmachines.org)May 21 22:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #howto #gnu #linux #cliMay 21 22:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB #howto #gnu #linux #cli'May 21 22:40
*TweetTuxMachines @akaSassinak retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB #howto #gnu #linux #cli'May 21 22:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/jM4sPZ9tcB #howto #gnu #linux #cli'May 21 22:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Lubuntu Vs. #Xubuntu https://t.co/gajL367hSV #lxde #xfce #gnu #linux...'May 21 22:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866486606445789186May 21 22:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399May 21 22:52
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/rU1GS1ITzI (tuxmachines.org)  #windows notMay 21 22:52
TweetTuxMachines                 even an option. #ubuntu #gnu #linuxMay 21 22:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399 | Tux MachinesMay 21 22:52
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for...'May 21 22:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866486756358578176May 21 23:09
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399May 21 23:09
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/rU1GS1ITzI (tuxmachines.org)  #windows notMay 21 23:09
TweetTuxMachines                 even an option. #ubuntu #gnu #linuxMay 21 23:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866491066421092352May 21 23:09
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/0yM8VrjOvXMay 21 23:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866491067675271168May 21 23:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399May 21 23:12
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/vJwlfjVsMT (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 23:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel’s “Euclid” robotics compute module on sale for $399 | Tux MachinesMay 21 23:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866494706489843712May 21 23:24
TweetTuxMachines                 #TinkerOS #Android 13.11.0.4 ReleasedMay 21 23:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/zXWd7NeP1d (tuxmachines.org) #linux #asusMay 21 23:24
TweetTuxMachines                 #debian #tinkerboard #hardware #freeswMay 21 23:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | TinkerOS Android 13.11.0.4 Released | Tux MachinesMay 21 23:24
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#TinkerOS #Android 13.11.0.4 Released https://t.co/zXWd7NeP1d #linux #asus #debian...'May 21 23:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866498817763319810May 21 23:40
TweetTuxMachines                 #Development and #Programming: #Hugo , #Jekyll , #Dlang ,May 21 23:40
TweetTuxMachines                 and #Kotlin https://t.co/SuSgMDvUWq (tuxmachines.org)May 21 23:40
TweetTuxMachines                 #android #freeswMay 21 23:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Development and Programming: Hugo, Jekyll, D, and Kotlin | Tux MachinesMay 21 23:41
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Development and #Programming: #Hugo , #Jekyll , #Dlang...'May 21 23:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866499136983515136May 21 23:41
TweetTuxMachines                 TinkerOS Android 13.11.0.4 ReleasedMay 21 23:41
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/yIDrBvmBGL (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 23:41
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/2EkiwBrwjrMay 21 23:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TinkerOS Android 13.11.0.4 Released | Tux MachinesMay 21 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: TinkerOS Android 13.11.0.4 Released https://t.co/yIDrBvmBGL https://t.co/2EkiwBrwjrMay 21 23:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866499139189604352May 21 23:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Development and Programming: Hugo, Jekyll, D, and KotlinMay 21 23:50
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/654mBc9aMz (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 23:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development and Programming: Hugo, Jekyll, D, and Kotlin | Tux MachinesMay 21 23:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866501431020343296May 21 23:50
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)May 21 23:51
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/4ssP9qwiPJ (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 23:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday) | Tux MachinesMay 21 23:51
*TweetTuxMachines @notjusttravel favourited 'The Past Week in Techrights (Still on Holiday)...'May 21 23:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866501839583297537May 21 23:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux InsideMay 21 23:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv (tuxmachines.org) #freeswMay 21 23:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #fuchsia #armadillo #googleMay 21 23:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Imagine an Android Phone Without Linux Inside | Tux MachinesMay 21 23:52
*TweetTuxMachines @developbender retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Development and #Programming: #Hugo , #Jekyll , #Dlang...'May 21 23:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv...'May 22 00:00
*TweetTuxMachines @webmastersguard favourited '#TinkerOS #Android 13.11.0.4 Released https://t.co/zXWd7NeP1d #linux #asus #debian...'May 22 00:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | TinkerOS Android 13.11.0.4 Released | Tux MachinesMay 22 00:00
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup favourited 'Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv...'May 22 00:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @coolappsdaily favourited 'Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux Inside https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv...'May 22 00:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866506021337944064May 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines                 #UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the PastMay 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/TXV9cDMR9e (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #mateMay 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #review #freedw #darkduckMay 22 00:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu MATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past | Tux MachinesMay 22 00:10
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past...'May 22 00:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866507110254649344May 22 00:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Imagine an Android Phone Without Linux InsideMay 22 00:13
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/w0Y58q0nXG (www.tuxmachines.org)May 22 00:13
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/30PEtNo7KNMay 22 00:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Imagine an Android Phone Without Linux Inside | Tux MachinesMay 22 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Imagine an Android Phone Without Linux Inside https://t.co/w0Y58q0nXG https://t.co/30PEtNo7KNMay 22 00:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866507114356678656May 22 00:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu MATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the PastMay 22 00:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/jNS8CRibRR (www.tuxmachines.org)May 22 00:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu MATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the Past | Tux MachinesMay 22 00:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866515962354323456May 22 00:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers: All Versions of #WindowsMay 22 00:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Compromised, #WannaCry Keeps GoingMay 22 00:49
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/sAH66hVj8r (tuxmachines.org) #microsoftMay 22 00:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers: All Versions of Windows Compromised, WannaCry Keeps Going | Tux MachinesMay 22 00:49
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: All Versions of #Windows Compromised, #WannaCry...'May 22 01:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866519490854477827May 22 01:02
TweetTuxMachines                 @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty ofMay 22 01:02
TweetTuxMachines                 money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwartMay 22 01:02
TweetTuxMachines                 justiceMay 22 01:02
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 01:02
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 01:02
*TweetTuxMachines @MakeamGrate retweeted @tuxmachines: '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 01:02
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 01:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866520005696921600May 22 01:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #CloudReady - #Chromebook re-experienced May 22 01:04
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Xi22iwUmnX (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 22 01:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #gentoo #google #chromiumos #reviewMay 22 01:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | CloudReady - Chromebook re-experienced | Tux MachinesMay 22 01:04
*TweetTuxMachines @AmeliaReinhart favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 01:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#CloudReady - #Chromebook re-experienced https://t.co/Xi22iwUmnX #gnu #linux...'May 22 01:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866520788022607872May 22 01:07
TweetTuxMachines                 @WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing EdwardMay 22 01:07
TweetTuxMachines                 @snowden when he leaked state abusesMay 22 01:07
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'May 22 01:07
cubexyzwilling?May 22 01:12
cubexyzmethinks that's a typoMay 22 01:13
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'May 22 01:15
cubexyzinteresting bit about early computer displays...May 22 01:15
cubexyzthe earliest ones were circular and they used electrostatic deflection to steer the electronsMay 22 01:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866522894154604545May 22 01:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: #Linfo, #EasyTag, #SimpleScan, #Albert, #VLC,May 22 01:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #RemoteDesktop, #Frogr, #BriskMenu, and #OpenShotMay 22 01:16
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/kDJZlWjxWS (tuxmachines.org)May 22 01:16
TweetTuxMachines May 22 01:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Software: Linfo, EasyTag, Simple Scan, Albert, VLC, Remote Desktop, Frogr, Brisk Menu, and OpenShot | Tux MachinesMay 22 01:16
cubexyzthere were hortizontal deflection electrodes and vertical onesMay 22 01:17
cubexyzhorizontal ratherMay 22 01:17
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #Linfo, #EasyTag, #SimpleScan, #Albert, #VLC, #RemoteDesktop, #Frogr,...'May 22 01:17
cubexyzthe tech was limited so the screen was circular (also the tubes were smaller)May 22 01:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523410121187331May 22 01:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers: All Versions of Windows Compromised,May 22 01:17
TweetTuxMachines                 WannaCry Keeps Going https://t.co/26j1PV02xWMay 22 01:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 22 01:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers: All Versions of Windows Compromised, WannaCry Keeps Going | Tux MachinesMay 22 01:17
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/O1LYnMay 22 01:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's my cake day! World's Finest (Batman Adventures) - Album on ImgurMay 22 01:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523418593705984May 22 01:18
TweetTuxMachines                 CloudReady - Chromebook re-experiencedMay 22 01:18
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/JAtd0eqm9h (www.tuxmachines.org)May 22 01:18
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NpqLWjE5qMMay 22 01:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CloudReady - Chromebook re-experienced | Tux MachinesMay 22 01:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: CloudReady - Chromebook re-experienced https://t.co/JAtd0eqm9h https://t.co/NpqLWjE5qMMay 22 01:18
cubexyzlater on the CRTs used electromagnetic deflectionMay 22 01:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866523421110185984May 22 01:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: Linfo, EasyTag, Simple Scan, Albert, VLC,May 22 01:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Remote Desktop, Frogr, Brisk Menu, and OpenShotMay 22 01:19
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/YBbps34dFw (www.tuxmachines.org)May 22 01:19
TweetTuxMachines May 22 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Linfo, EasyTag, Simple Scan, Albert, VLC, Remote Desktop, Frogr, Brisk Menu, and OpenShot | Tux MachinesMay 22 01:19
*TweetTuxMachines @twsgy retweeted @tuxmachines: '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'May 22 01:20
*TweetTuxMachines @lightbkey favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'May 22 01:23
*TweetTuxMachines @LizRao4 favourited '@WLTaskForce Trump spoke in favour of willing Edward...'May 22 01:35
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/wisdomMay 22 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - WisdomMay 22 01:37
*TweetTuxMachines @mawi2tu favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 01:39
*TweetTuxMachines @UTHornsRawk favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 01:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866528954986840064May 22 01:40
TweetTuxMachines                 More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3EMay 22 01:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #howto #unix #gnu #linux #freeswMay 22 01:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | More of today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 22 01:40
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More of today's howtos https://t.co/hEgiDoIm3E #howto #unix #gnu...'May 22 01:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531524165881857May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB (tuxmachines.org)May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux #rosa #reviewMay 22 01:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531582324101120May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines                 More of today's howtos https://t.co/3503FBBPhHMay 22 01:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866531596047761408May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines                 ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/LCuJM2M0l8May 22 01:50
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/Jw1EuGGoXfMay 22 01:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ROSA Fresh R9 | Tux MachinesMay 22 01:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/LCuJM2M0l8 https://t.co/Jw1EuGGoXfMay 22 01:50
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux...'May 22 01:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: '#ROSA Fresh R9 https://t.co/DfL9cWyDXB #distrowatch #russia #gnu #linux...'May 22 02:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866534913092182018May 22 02:03
TweetTuxMachines                 #Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS,May 22 02:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux 4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL https://t.co/Um9ATxswhQMay 22 02:04
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org)May 22 02:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Kernel Space: HMM, Cloud Native, Linux 4.12, TFS, Linux 4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL | Tux MachinesMay 22 02:04
*TweetTuxMachines @gbmrhino favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 02:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS, Linux...'May 22 02:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866536974441627648May 22 02:11
TweetTuxMachines                 @JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blameMay 22 02:11
TweetTuxMachines                 WikiLeaks for "hacking" and the recent events presentMay 22 02:11
TweetTuxMachines                 opportunity for this illusionMay 22 02:11
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'May 22 02:11
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'May 22 02:12
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'May 22 02:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866537391749644289May 22 02:13
TweetTuxMachines                 #Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #FirewallMay 22 02:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New FeaturesMay 22 02:13
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/jDz5rgHKNU (tuxmachines.org) #securityMay 22 02:13
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswMay 22 02:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features | Tux MachinesMay 22 02:13
*TweetTuxMachines @tinastullracing favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'May 22 02:15
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall Tackles...'May 22 02:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866539384815759361May 22 02:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Kernel Space: HMM, Cloud Native, Linux 4.12, TFS, LinuxMay 22 02:21
TweetTuxMachines                 4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL https://t.co/6iL6cktB0hMay 22 02:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 22 02:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel Space: HMM, Cloud Native, Linux 4.12, TFS, Linux 4.11.2, and 4.10 EoL | Tux MachinesMay 22 02:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866539393355440128May 22 02:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall TacklesMay 22 02:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Bufferbloat, Adds New Features https://t.co/HAUSa7jx6eMay 22 02:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/VDuZSEDZ5UMay 22 02:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features | Tux MachinesMay 22 02:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds New Features https://t.co/HAUSa7jx6e https://t.co/VDuZSEDZ5UMay 22 02:28
*TweetTuxMachines @RocketRaccoon76 favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'May 22 02:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866541687044059136May 22 02:30
TweetTuxMachines                 @wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental andMay 22 02:30
TweetTuxMachines                 physical erosion) helps drive some people to depression,May 22 02:30
TweetTuxMachines                 suicide, lack of productivity (twitter.com)May 22 02:30
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'May 22 02:30
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/lordbaco/status/866543549155864576May 22 02:50
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Imagine an #Android Phone Without #Linux InsideMay 22 02:50
TweetTuxMachines @lordbaco       https://t.co/kYGqPbY9Xv (tuxmachines.org) #freeswMay 22 02:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #fuchsia #armadillo #googleMay 22 02:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Imagine an Android Phone Without Linux Inside | Tux MachinesMay 22 02:50
*TweetTuxMachines @Love_The_Donald favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'May 22 02:54
TweetTuxMachines@alastair_hm     https://twitter.com/alastair_hm/status/866547665751990272May 22 02:54
TweetTuxMachines                 The latest Latest Linux Daily Lowdown!May 22 02:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Xj9rGRGnAp (paper.li) Thanks to @Rammy7219May 22 02:54
TweetTuxMachines                 @tuxmachines @linuxsound #linux #kernelMay 22 02:54
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TweetTuxMachines@FreeThree333    https://twitter.com/FreeThree333/status/866547775751634944May 22 02:55
TweetTuxMachines                 @tuxmachines @wikileaks It's what these sick bastards inMay 22 02:55
TweetTuxMachines                 power are trying to do. #BoycottUK #FreeAssangeMay 22 02:55
TweetTuxMachines                 #SafePassage4AssangeMay 22 02:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @Drtoszi favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'May 22 03:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall Tackles...'May 22 03:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'May 22 03:03
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '#Kernel Space: #HMM, #CloudNative, #Linux 4.12, #TFS, Linux...'May 22 03:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @Good2bqueen67 favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'May 22 03:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/RYindiefilm/status/866550300643086336May 22 03:04
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #UbuntuMATE 17.04 - Fast Forward to the PastMay 22 03:04
TweetTuxMachines @RYindiefilm    https://t.co/TXV9cDMR9e (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #mateMay 22 03:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #review #freedw #darkduckMay 22 03:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @st_thecla30 favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 03:15
*TweetTuxMachines @LivePatriot favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 03:28
*TweetTuxMachines @tradesonly favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 03:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tradesonly/status/866558617561972736May 22 03:37
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty ofMay 22 03:37
TweetTuxMachines @tradesonly     money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwartMay 22 03:37
TweetTuxMachines                 justiceMay 22 03:37
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*TweetTuxMachines @EngineerEarth favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'May 22 04:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/vee_liang/status/866566302311227392May 22 04:17
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support theMay 22 04:17
TweetTuxMachines @vee_liang      Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5CMay 22 04:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/aTLeWswGIuMay 22 04:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop | Tux MachinesMay 22 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Parrot Security and Ethical Hacking OS Will Support the Pinebook Linux Laptop https://t.co/q3BCCrgr5C https://t.co/aTLeWswGIuMay 22 04:17
*TweetTuxMachines @FirstWillisCrew favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'May 22 04:27
*TweetTuxMachines @joe_hinder favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 04:30
*TweetTuxMachines @PressKek favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'May 22 05:02
*TweetTuxMachines @dzikaanda favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'May 22 05:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/cooluser51/status/866581517849563136May 22 05:08
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty ofMay 22 05:08
TweetTuxMachines @cooluser51     money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwartMay 22 05:08
TweetTuxMachines                 justiceMay 22 05:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @cooluser51 favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 05:54
*TweetTuxMachines @OscarFields12 favourited 'Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds...'May 22 05:56
TweetTuxMachines@MaryCass95      https://twitter.com/MaryCass95/status/866593587798134784May 22 06:06
TweetTuxMachines                 @FreeThree333 @tuxmachines @wikileaks Agreed. Trying toMay 22 06:06
TweetTuxMachines                 make an example of him so no others follow suit. That theMay 22 06:06
TweetTuxMachines                 risk will be to high. Cant (twitter.com) boycott UK tho iMay 22 06:06
TweetTuxMachines                 live here 😄😄🖒May 22 06:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866596136227717120May 22 06:09
TweetTuxMachines                 How To Encrypt DNS Traffic In Linux Using DNSCryptMay 22 06:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/gHhZds6SBw (www.tuxmachines.org)May 22 06:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How To Encrypt DNS Traffic In Linux Using DNSCrypt | Tux MachinesMay 22 06:09
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Debian-Based Untangle 13.0 Linux Firewall Tackles Bufferbloat, Adds...'May 22 06:09
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Debian -Based #Untangle 13.0 #GNU #Linux #Firewall Tackles...'May 22 06:35
*TweetTuxMachines @Dcdale9Dale favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'May 22 06:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @Cappagrigia favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'May 22 07:22
*TweetTuxMachines @JoyMarie007 favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'May 22 07:22
TweetTuxMachines@FreeThree333    https://twitter.com/JoyMarie007/status/866615275659067392May 22 07:39
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    @tuxmachines @wikileaks It's what these sick bastards inMay 22 07:39
TweetTuxMachines @JoyMarie007    power are trying to do. #BoycottUK #FreeAssangeMay 22 07:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #SafePassage4AssangeMay 22 07:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/sherilucia/status/866620850610556928May 22 08:00
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    @wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty ofMay 22 08:00
TweetTuxMachines @sherilucia     money with which to pay the best lawyers to thwartMay 22 08:00
TweetTuxMachines                 justiceMay 22 08:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @maxwmi retweeted @tuxmachines: '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 08:00
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liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/Kayihan1/status/866567357078142976May 22 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Kayihan1: @Terianniaraq @schestowitz @wikileaks @JulianAssange theres a thing called government, and then theres a little thing called autocracy.May 22 08:33
redsnapper4pointA position as an active legal counsel seems to contradict the impartiality that has to be expected from the President of any court, including the ILO AT.May 22 08:35
redsnapper4pointI include the link to MCE Avocats. Kind regards, Red SnapperMay 22 08:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @Jennjerkyb favourited '@JulianAssange The mainstream media likes to blame WikiLeaks...'May 22 11:05
CosmophileCan you guys recommend a good android phone from a security standpoint, or alternatively, a hacker standpoint?May 22 11:27
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*TweetTuxMachines @Osb18483782Mary favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 11:39
TweetTuxMachines@FreeThree333    https://twitter.com/FreeThree333/status/866679875469328385May 22 11:42
TweetTuxMachines                 @MaryCass95 @tuxmachines @wikileaks I'd boycott myMay 22 11:42
TweetTuxMachines                 country for Julian's freedom. :)May 22 11:42
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*TweetTuxMachines @ditzywoo favourited '@wikileaks The Clinton Foundation harvested plenty of money...'May 22 11:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866695417005613056May 22 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/ynxNOcxomxMay 22 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 22 12:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen News: Phones and TVs | Tux MachinesMay 22 12:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866695772481306625May 22 12:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69SsMay 22 12:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #tizen #linux #samsung #india #tv #gnuMay 22 12:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #koreaMay 22 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Tizen News: Phones and TVs | Tux MachinesMay 22 12:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69Ss #tizen #linux...'May 22 12:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Tizen News: Phones and TVs https://t.co/E7zLvf69Ss #tizen #linux...'May 22 12:49
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@MaryCass95 @tuxmachines @wikileaks I'd boycott my country for...'May 22 12:56
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sebsebsebhiMay 22 12:57
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: pingMay 22 12:57
sebsebsebMinceR: pingMay 22 12:57
sebsebsebschestowitz:  pingMay 22 12:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866699283768135680May 22 12:57
TweetTuxMachines                 OSS Leftovers https://t.co/YKztdCextB (tuxmachines.org)May 22 12:57
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #sharing #reactos #sprint #tensorflow #riotMay 22 12:57
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razielle_tzuyes sebsebseb?May 22 12:57
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu:  :(May 22 12:57
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: seems one of my phones has been binned, not by meMay 22 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | OSS Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 22 12:58
razielle_tzuoh dearMay 22 12:58
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yeah was on the chest of draws that got movedMay 22 12:58
sebsebseband was probably another bin bag or more in there too, that I didn't check !May 22 12:59
razielle_tzuthis is why i don't let other people sort my stuff outMay 22 13:00
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: I didn't !May 22 13:00
sebsebsebI didn't let her!May 22 13:00
sebsebsebI had no choice !May 22 13:00
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: plus she took the oppertunity to mess around with stuff, when I am not in there !May 22 13:01
razielle_tzu:/May 22 13:02
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: should have moved it off the chest of draws really, but didn't think lilke that at hte time, I knew she wanted to move itMay 22 13:02
razielle_tzuwas this in your room or somewhere else?May 22 13:02
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: and its as s3 mini so its smallMay 22 13:02
sebsebsebyeah in my roomMay 22 13:02
razielle_tzuo.OMay 22 13:02
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: pm meMay 22 13:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866699450940407808May 22 13:14
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    OSS Leftovers https://t.co/YKztdCextB (tuxmachines.org)May 22 13:14
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #freesw #sharing #reactos #sprint #tensorflow #riotMay 22 13:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866703724634296320May 22 13:18
TweetTuxMachines                 OSS Leftovers https://t.co/tEUHYTFSpnMay 22 13:18
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 22 13:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866704758320451584May 22 13:18
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers: #WCry / #Ransomwar, #WannaCry,May 22 13:18
TweetTuxMachines                 #Athena https://t.co/UZojmeXlGS (tuxmachines.org) #ciaMay 22 13:18
TweetTuxMachines                 #vault7 #microsoft #windowsMay 22 13:18
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TweetTuxMachines                 @WSJ @sethlipsky You people are insane. Murdoch's mediaMay 22 14:35
TweetTuxMachines                 for Wall Street now openly endorses breaking intl' law.May 22 14:35
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cubexyzwell, I can safely say why the unix v5 disk image didn't have any man pagesMay 22 19:05
cubexyzit's the rk05 disk size of 2.5 megsMay 22 19:06
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cubexyzok, all the v6 man pages are 1057 blocksMay 22 19:26
cubexyzok, so in the future I'll have a disk just for man pagesMay 22 19:27
cubexyzright now I'm using /usr/local for a lot of stuffMay 22 19:29
cubexyzthere's no way in the v5 era they could have fit all the source code and everything else on one rk05 driveMay 22 19:30
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oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RK05 got your size wrong.   The non removable rk05 was 5megsMay 22 20:40
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oiaohmcubexyz: even at 5 megs it kinda pushing it up hill.May 22 20:41
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cubexyzoiaohm, noMay 22 23:07
cubexyzit's 14" IBM-2315 style with 2.5 megs of storageMay 22 23:07
cubexyzthat's what we used for Unix v5May 22 23:08
cubexyzthere was a RK05F but the driver is for RK05May 22 23:10
cubexyzmaybe I could compile the rf.c driver thoughMay 22 23:12
cubexyz4872 blocks of 512 bytes to be exactMay 22 23:18
cubexyzeven DEC RP series drives could be usedMay 22 23:26
oiaohmcubexyz: the RK05F was the non removable a 5 megs.   Some models that thing appear as 2 RK05 2.5 discs.May 22 23:26
oiaohmcubexyz: I know the RK05F well because I was using them in highschool.May 22 23:27
cubexyzDEC RP03 was an IBM 2314 cloneMay 22 23:27
oiaohmcubexyz: the IBM 2315 is single side media there were a few hacks to make it double sided.May 22 23:29
cubexyzI could have 40 megs with the RP03May 22 23:29
cubexyzbut the original unix v5 disk image is an rk05 disk image, so I used thatMay 22 23:30
cubexyzall emulated of courseMay 22 23:30
cubexyzwhat was the RK05F connected to? Some unibus PDP-11 I assume?May 22 23:32
oiaohmcubexyz: IBM XT by the time I got there.May 22 23:32
oiaohmcubexyz: of course that was interface because the first system it had been hooked to was long gone.May 22 23:33
oiaohmcubexyz: I cannot remember the OS there was an OS that could not address the 5 meg disc and that is why the RK05F has a split mode.May 22 23:34
cubexyzhmmm, I didn't know there was a controller for thatMay 22 23:34
oiaohmcubexyz: its a data recovery controller.May 22 23:35
cubexyzthere was an RK11 (for PDP-11 unibus) and an RK8E (for PDP-8)May 22 23:36
oiaohmcubexyz: Osprey ISA card takes all the RK05 drives include RK05F drives.May 22 23:38
oiaohmOf course finding one of those cards these days is hard work.May 22 23:39
cubexyzhmmm, there's an Osprey/PC as wellMay 22 23:40
cubexyzexecutes PDP-11 programs directlyMay 22 23:41
cubexyzway cheaper than trying to keep a real PDP-11 May 22 23:42
cubexyznot as fun as a real PDP-11, but more practicalMay 22 23:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/866839585879334912May 22 23:44
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cubexyzof course an FPGA would be the more modern way to goMay 22 23:44
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.strobedata.com/home/ospreyguide.html they do a stack of cards include the all important Real I/O AdaptersMay 22 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.strobedata.com | Strobe Data Osprey Guide [ http://ur1.ca/qwsyq ]May 22 23:45
cubexyzah, they are using FPGA as wellMay 22 23:46
cubexyztoo expensive I betMay 22 23:46
oiaohmRK05 is unibus card of theirs you need.May 22 23:46
oiaohmcubexyz: there is quite a lot you can hook up to a PC if you have the right cards.May 22 23:49
cubexyzno, I'm only using simh for everything :)May 22 23:49
cubexyzI don't own a real RK05 or a real PDP-11May 22 23:49
oiaohmPlease note we had the unibus card so the XT was not running any PDP-11 it was running dos software to read PDP-11 formated discs.May 22 23:50
oiaohmAnd some other odd custom OS formated discs as well.May 22 23:50
oiaohmcubexyz: basically my brain worked for a min and I remembered the brand.May 22 23:52
cubexyzstrobe data in redmond :-/May 22 23:53
cubexyzyou know what that meansMay 22 23:53
cubexyzmigration to windows onlyMay 22 23:53
oiaohmcubexyz: there might be other brands.   I just know what I used.   The old ISA from them work with dos.May 22 23:55
oiaohmcubexyz: including freedos.May 22 23:56
cubexyzmaybe, maybeMay 22 23:56
cubexyzvery appropriate that their logo is a bird of prey :-/May 22 23:59
cubexyzusually I just use simh and hercules for the classic computing stuffMay 23 00:00
cubexyzsimh does PDP-11, IBM 1130, vax, interdataMay 23 00:01
cubexyzbut if you had a real RK05 you'd need something like the osprey stuff to archive the dataMay 23 00:02
cubexyznot going to run my nice FOSS Unix v5 on windows, no wayMay 23 00:05
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TweetTuxMachines@BakerPaul_JoAnn  https://twitter.com/BakerPaul_JoAnn/status/866923939074723845May 23 05:01
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TweetTuxMachines                 Looking 4new ways. I already boycott everything I can inMay 23 05:01
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TweetTuxMachines                 Propaganda, Master Global Terrorist.May 23 05:01
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TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers: WannaCry, Windows in Linux, WindowsMay 23 06:34
TweetTuxMachines                 7, Windows 10 is Spyware https://t.co/jvCvGKiDCnMay 23 06:34
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866965503998164992May 23 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers: #WannaCry, #Windows in #Linux,May 23 06:35
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liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/rodinholland/status/866966874067808257May 23 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rodinholland: Just do it anyway... https://t.co/nSSEACdaIYMay 23 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Fight ransomware by running Windows in Linux as a virtual machine https://t.co/sTKbTVOODe #gnu #linux #securityMay 23 06:49
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/mektronik/status/866968096841515009May 23 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mektronik: @BolshieBear https://t.co/KLuHGw87nmMay 23 06:50
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/866968883550408704May 23 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Nice!!!May 23 06:50
liberty_boxWIll upload a lot more later when I get to my 'proper' laptop (next month) and can upload to my siteMay 23 06:50
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TweetTuxMachines                 Server: Data Centres, #Google, #SDN, #Amazon, andMay 23 07:46
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TweetTuxMachines                 Server: Data Centres, Google, SDN, Amazon, and MicrosoftMay 23 08:09
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: pingMay 23 15:21
razielle_tzu'sup?May 23 15:22
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yep binned phone it does indeed seemMay 23 15:23
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: however can get replacement device online.  I know its old now, but that was my first smart phone !May 23 15:24
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: pingMay 23 16:17
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yeah can buy a replacement online, I know its a old phone now, but was my first smart phoneMay 23 16:19
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: also of course my data that wasn't backed up will still be lostMay 23 16:19
razielle_tzualways back up or at least store the sd card you should keep everything on somewhere safe instead of in the phone if you're not using itMay 23 16:19
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yes might be better to put phtoos etc on sim card,  I thought on phone was ok, but then this...May 23 16:20
sebsebsebujMay 23 16:21
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razielle_tzuthe sim card is a different card to an sd card..May 23 16:21
razielle_tzusims are barely even able to hold contacts nowMay 23 16:21
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yeah sd card,  is for data,  sim for networkMay 23 16:21
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: may be better to start doing sommething like thatMay 23 16:22
sebsebsebtakes this ubuntu meizu mx 4 for exampleMay 23 16:22
sebsebsebnow I got a load of stuff on the phone, but May 23 16:22
sebsebsebubuntu touch is about to dieMay 23 16:22
sebsebsebno more updates, nothing, security the lotMay 23 16:22
razielle_tzuso i heardMay 23 16:22
sebsebseba fork would need re flashingMay 23 16:22
sebsebsebso losing things on phone!May 23 16:22
sebsebsebnot sure how to back this upMay 23 16:22
razielle_tzutransfer any actual data on it to another storage device using mtp or whateverMay 23 16:23
razielle_tzuthe software doesn't really matterMay 23 16:23
razielle_tzuhell use s/ftp to do the transfer or dropbox or another internet based storageMay 23 16:24
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: not sured how to transfer texts from itMay 23 16:24
razielle_tzudepends on how they're storedMay 23 16:25
MinceRTENSO >> http://imgur.com/gallery/Of0YKMay 23 16:25
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razielle_tzusometimes there's a folder in / that stores them you can exportMay 23 16:25
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yeah in the  writeable space some wehreMay 23 16:25
sebsebsebsojme howMay 23 16:25
razielle_tzubut i don't know the touch filesystemMay 23 16:25
razielle_tzuso i can't give you a location to look forMay 23 16:25
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: also meant to replace this phone really in a way soon since thatMay 23 16:25
sebsebsebI don't think a fork will be ready enough in time ubportsMay 23 16:25
sebsebsebready enough as in useable enough etc as wellMay 23 16:26
razielle_tzuthe only fork i'm aware of still needs alpha testingMay 23 16:26
sebsebsebyeah ubports ?May 23 16:26
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: also since its the mx 4,  and its the same plan as if Canonical had continued it seems or baicallyMay 23 16:26
razielle_tzui can't remember the name of itMay 23 16:26
sebsebsebwill only get seucrity updatesMay 23 16:27
sebsebsebno new featuresMay 23 16:27
sebsebsebsince older phoneMay 23 16:27
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: really Salifish OS can do most stuffMay 23 16:27
sebsebsebeven run android appsMay 23 16:27
sebsebsebbut going from this to the jolla as my main phone, wouldl be a hardware down gradeMay 23 16:27
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: a sony xperia should be cojming out with it at like end of june May 23 16:28
razielle_tzudespite the mediocre specs i'm actually quite happy with my samsung j3May 23 16:28
sebsebseband there's a salifish os aquafish  that can get on ebay from india evenMay 23 16:28
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yeah j3 is a older one as well I think? what year ?May 23 16:28
MinceRyeah, systemd and proprietary guiMay 23 16:28
MinceRno thanksMay 23 16:28
sebsebsebthe s3 mini was good enough as a phone really, probably more than reallyMay 23 16:28
sebsebsebbut then went down the android altenriavets routeMay 23 16:29
razielle_tzuthe j3 isn't that old, i think it was last yearMay 23 16:29
sebsebsebalso I wanted a nexus 7 reallyMay 23 16:29
sebsebsebMinceR: only Linux altenraigve player left May 23 16:29
sebsebsebreallyMay 23 16:29
sebsebsebMinceR: unless you in clude tizenMay 23 16:29
sebsebseband this isn't  incudling any forks, so  the cyanmmod fork is out,  but thats just android with some changes anyway reallyMay 23 16:30
MinceRtizen is cancerd as wellMay 23 16:30
MinceReverything is going to shitMay 23 16:30
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: well she's got extra money, once can confirm better that its really been binned or whatever, she would buy me a replacement one or whatever I guess May 23 16:31
sebsebsebbut data still gone! as I put boveMay 23 16:31
sebsebsebaboveMay 23 16:31
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: as for a sd card its not ideal either, small thingsMay 23 16:31
sebsebsebcan get lost as a resultMay 23 16:31
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: maybe the cloud isn't so  stupid after all, depending on the service, afer all, for certain stuffMay 23 16:32
razielle_tzui keep mine in a case in one spot of my desk and everything on them is on usb drives, my main pc and at least one cloud storage optionMay 23 16:32
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: I think some of my usb sticks with data on them, may have diappared too, since how she used desk as a dumping ground of things from chest of draws etc uhMay 23 16:32
sebsebsebso again usb sticks arne't ideal eitherMay 23 16:32
razielle_tzumy two important usb drives are in one of my bagsMay 23 16:33
razielle_tzuyou could keep them on a keychain in your pocketMay 23 16:33
sebsebsebdid put something or the other on usb sticks like two months ago, since re did la p top,  and  fat32 uhMay 23 16:33
razielle_tzuthere's loads of options for keeping stuff safeMay 23 16:34
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: oh not with her in the roomMay 23 16:34
sebsebsebwell is and isn'tMay 23 16:34
sebsebsebshoud have been ok enough out but nnopeMay 23 16:34
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: hopeflly that's the last tiime like that, on her own uhMay 23 16:34
razielle_tzulike i suggested last night get a lock on the door?May 23 16:34
razielle_tzuif you have a pc store usb drives and stuff in the case?May 23 16:35
razielle_tzua loose floorboard?May 23 16:35
sebsebsebI knew she wanted to  move chest of draws, but didn't think  like oh, oh yeah that phone is on there, should move,  plus started messing around in there earier than thought wouldMay 23 16:35
razielle_tzuseriously, think like a kid trying to hide smokes or somethingMay 23 16:35
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yeah, but shoudb't need tooMay 23 16:35
sebsebsebbut yes I know what you meanMay 23 16:35
razielle_tzui know but it sounds like she has no sense of personal space so you're going to have toMay 23 16:36
sebsebsebwent in other thing to, all over  uh  lots of placesMay 23 16:36
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: I think it knocked off   chest of draws into a bin bagMay 23 16:36
sebsebseband she didn't check that bin bag soMay 23 16:36
sebsebsebgoneMay 23 16:36
razielle_tzuthe only reason my pc case isn't used for storing things is because i can't actually easily open it up to do soMay 23 16:36
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: had been other times, and after its like, where is this and that, and usal.ly things turn up, but this time uhmm ahMay 23 16:37
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: she says to me at times that I don't see things right in front of my nose, well she obviously didn't or whatever last week then !May 23 16:37
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: a s3 mini still like 100 pounds more thanm,  I suppouse it was a flag ship or pretty much soMay 23 16:40
razielle_tzuyeahMay 23 16:40
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: makes me think higher of it now in a way, but its gone now too so uhmmMay 23 16:41
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: i  could do with  android or salifsh os maybe if can get apps working okMay 23 16:41
razielle_tzui had to swap the mainboard in mine, as well as the screen/digitizer so i need to root and flash a custom rom back on to it but  idon't think i'll bother unless i need to actually use it againMay 23 16:42
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: you broke yours?May 23 16:42
sebsebseband what rom ?May 23 16:43
razielle_tzudropped it and cracked the screen... couldn't be bothered to mess with heating hte glue to just replace the glass and then it got dropped in water by someone who was borrowing it so i had to rebuild it againMay 23 16:43
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: got a cheap aldi android phone to, that got last year, that not powered on yet actsaully since....May 23 16:43
razielle_tzui think n.light or something like that was the last rom i had on thatMay 23 16:44
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: well my s3 mini survived washing machine like three months or so after gettingMay 23 16:45
sebsebsebyeah a wash cycle for like over an hourMay 23 16:45
sebsebsebopended up and there it was on looking at meMay 23 16:45
razielle_tzuthe water caused a short that fried the mainboard, it got stuck in a bootloop and restoring it didn't helpMay 23 16:45
sebsebsebsome green lines down it for a while, but dropping agian made it go okMay 23 16:46
sebsebseba few months or so laterMay 23 16:46
sebsebsebplus icone were a bit uhMay 23 16:46
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: so yeah it survices washing machine, but then it doens't survive my Mum last week uh ?May 23 16:46
razielle_tzushe's reset it, swapped the sim and is using it herself when she's out of the houseMay 23 16:47
razielle_tzu:PMay 23 16:47
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: nope  way to non techei for thatMay 23 16:47
sebsebsebI know you meant as a jokeMay 23 16:47
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: by the way with my ubuntu tablet, the guy  says cant just get the sreen etcMay 23 16:48
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: so could buy a replacement device and take the bits out that are  neededMay 23 16:48
razielle_tzupretty much but if you do that you may as well use the new oneMay 23 16:48
sebsebsebor I just use the replacement device hmm, but means mine is yep in bitsMay 23 16:48
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: well it would be second handMay 23 16:49
*razielle_tzu shrugsMay 23 16:49
razielle_tzujust like most of my current techMay 23 16:49
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: I suppouse could use replacement yeahMay 23 16:50
sebsebsebits clean anyway or to the extent of a factory resetMay 23 16:50
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: but you don't know quite the quality of a second hand deviceMay 23 16:50
sebsebsebmine not quite iether, just that its been dropped here and thereMay 23 16:50
razielle_tzuif it's a refurb or just purchased from the last user i don't expect it to be pristine and i always do as much as i can to clean it anyway just in caseMay 23 16:51
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yeah so what's better, just use some replaement device, or have him take out the needed parts that I need ?May 23 16:51
razielle_tzudepends on if the storage and stuff get swapped too... i have no idea how integrated the hardware is for that tablet... personally i'd go with using the replacementMay 23 16:52
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: well he said,  the digitiizer and lcd are dconnected toghereMay 23 16:52
sebsebsebthree parts evenMay 23 16:52
razielle_tzujust use the replacement... you do remember how to make sure a tablet is actually clean right?May 23 16:53
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: clean as in in what context ?May 23 16:53
razielle_tzuno remnants of another users data rather than physicallyMay 23 16:54
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: I don't know, I just factory reset my one before giving it to him, I know that may not be perfectMay 23 16:54
razielle_tzui do advanced wipes so i can make sure the dalvik cache is done too (might not be applicable to touch, i have no idea) and then use an app (i forget the name) to do the rest when it's booted and connected to a networkMay 23 16:55
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: I feel tehre may be some traces of some of my data some wehre, on ubuntu tabletMay 23 16:56
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: but yes if he glues up etc it may not be done so wellMay 23 16:58
sebsebsebI remember the ipadMay 23 16:58
sebsebsebso in that case using the replacement could be betterMay 23 16:58
razielle_tzui know there is of mine... partially intentionally as a challenge to someone that claimed to be able to find me anywhere online a few years agoMay 23 16:58
sebsebseboh ?May 23 16:58
razielle_tzuwhen i was in poland i was doing a few things for fun and profit and someone overheard and claimed to be able to link my name to an old account that did other things... i left a few traces of things for him to follow to actually do it... i'm still waiting for him to email the address at the end of the trailMay 23 16:59
razielle_tzuat the same time i took control of six of his accounts and locked him out from most of his toolsMay 23 17:00
sebsebsebright okMay 23 17:01
sebsebseband you also took dwon the NHS the other week using NSA ransomwareMay 23 17:02
razielle_tzunah, not my styleMay 23 17:02
razielle_tzui do fun things or get revengeMay 23 17:02
razielle_tzualso i'd be charging more than that to decryptMay 23 17:02
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: ubuntu touch has like  read only space for the os, and read writable space for data etc or something like thatMay 23 17:02
razielle_tzuso like most mobile devices then?May 23 17:03
sebsebsebso  factoty re settingMay 23 17:03
sebsebsebshould have  got rid of the read writable stuffMay 23 17:03
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: sure its android hardware otherwiseMay 23 17:03
razielle_tzuthat reminds me... i need to do a restore and copy the stock rom so if i root and flash a custom rom i have a clean back upMay 23 17:04
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: factory re set on own, may have left some traces I guess, but thats about all that can do with touch anyway I thinkMay 23 17:05
razielle_tzuooo and it's almost time for me to check my gaming system for infections too... doubt i have any still but it's always funMay 23 17:05
sebsebsebin fections ?May 23 17:06
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: but yeah if he takes apart and glues up tablet,  may not do such a good jobMay 23 17:06
razielle_tzuyeah, my gaming system is pretty much undefended so it could have picked something up. aside from games there's just a linux vm on it and music on an external hddMay 23 17:06
sebsebsebgaming system is windows ?May 23 17:07
razielle_tzuyupMay 23 17:07
sebsebseb7 ?May 23 17:07
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sebsebseb8.1 ohMay 23 17:07
sebsebsebthis lap top was 8.1 but upgraded back to 10 other weekMay 23 17:07
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: rang hp,  then to microsoft,  no wasn't going to let them remote connect me !May 23 17:08
razielle_tzui won't use 10 until support for 8 is droppedMay 23 17:08
sebsebsebre installed from that hp usbMay 23 17:08
sebsebsebsince in the hardware databse upgraindg to 10 should have been ok, b ut then it was like how etcMay 23 17:08
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: hp guy gave me a microsoft numberMay 23 17:08
razielle_tzui now my machine CAN run 10 but until i get some more ram and support for 8 is dropped it's not happeninngMay 23 17:09
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: so indian woman, went through the software a bitMay 23 17:09
razielle_tzu*knowMay 23 17:09
sebsebsebthey offer to remote connect, but not having thatMay 23 17:09
sebsebsebreal ms or not !May 23 17:09
sebsebsebMinceR would let real Microsoft in May 23 17:09
sebsebsebof course they might hae a back door or something anyway, but yeahMay 23 17:10
razielle_tzuif someone offers that i say the network stack is part of the problem, it's not connectingMay 23 17:10
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: they sounded liike those indidian scam callsMay 23 17:10
sebsebsebbut this was the real msMay 23 17:10
razielle_tzuso?May 23 17:10
sebsebsebreal Micsofot indidian tech supportMay 23 17:10
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: I don't want ms in my compuer at all :)May 23 17:10
sebsebsebbut yeah someitmes have reason  to use that sucky osMay 23 17:11
sebsebsebuh driving thorey,  wich uhmm rightMay 23 17:11
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yep Linux distros are betterMay 23 17:11
sebsebsebshame about the lack of certain prorgrams here and there thoughMay 23 17:11
sebsebsebgames can go under that if you wantMay 23 17:11
razielle_tzuwith the right config most things can get around itMay 23 17:12
MinceRsebsebseb: whatMay 23 17:12
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yeah wine May 23 17:12
sebsebsebbut wine and such, can be tricky to get working rightMay 23 17:12
razielle_tzuthat's one wayMay 23 17:12
razielle_tzua vm is anotherMay 23 17:12
sebsebsebMinceR: you would let the real or fake Microsoft remote connect your computerMay 23 17:12
MinceRi don't see whyMay 23 17:12
sebsebsebMinceR: for tech support May 23 17:12
sebsebsebyou would let apple in tooMay 23 17:13
MinceRwhat are you talking about?May 23 17:13
MinceRthey don't even know anything necessary to support my tech :>May 23 17:13
razielle_tzuif they can't explain it for me to do it myself (should i ever need to contact them, which is unlikely) they don't deserve to be remotely connected to follow a step-by-step sat on their desk or on a screenMay 23 17:13
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: well driving thoerey discs later ones have drm, so need windowsMay 23 17:13
sebsebsebor last time I Tried wineMay 23 17:13
sebsebsebfor something like that, got a evevn newer one nowMay 23 17:14
razielle_tzuso use a vm and pass the drive through directlyMay 23 17:14
sebsebsebpass drive diredctly ? what you mean, and when its on a  multi boot ?May 23 17:14
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: I would have to have a windows 10 or something in the vmmMay 23 17:15
sebsebsebthat works iwth the disc etcMay 23 17:15
razielle_tzuusing virtualbox you can have the vm read the host drive as though it was connected directly to the vm, i think other vm programs do the same thingMay 23 17:15
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: tye y9st May 23 17:16
sebsebsebthe host driveMay 23 17:16
sebsebsebthe one that is runnign the linux distro ?May 23 17:16
razielle_tzuthe optical drive connected to the hostMay 23 17:16
sebsebsebwith both oses on the same disc May 23 17:16
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: sounds like still need a sepeate driveMay 23 17:17
razielle_tzunopeMay 23 17:17
sebsebsebif it could just work with the partion, that could workMay 23 17:17
razielle_tzuno multiboot eitherMay 23 17:17
sebsebseb10 is on pshcailly as is linux but same diskMay 23 17:17
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razielle_tzui'm talking about a linux host, controlling a vm running windows that is reading the linux machines optical driveMay 23 17:18
razielle_tzuno multiboot, seperate partitions or any of that crapMay 23 17:18
razielle_tzujust literally passing the optical drive directly to the vmMay 23 17:18
sebsebsebok how ?May 23 17:20
sebsebsebso your sayng ubuntu is running right nowMay 23 17:20
sebsebsebi can get into the 10 installMay 23 17:20
sebsebsebthat's on the same diskMay 23 17:20
sebsebsebusing virtual box ?May 23 17:20
sebsebsebfrom ubuntu ?May 23 17:20
sebsebsebthe pshyiall instlal running nowMay 23 17:21
razielle_tzuno i'm talking about installing 10 on a vm and then telling the vm that the host's optical drive is where the vm should look for optical media bypassing the host reading itMay 23 17:21
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yeah  can II download one from ms that would work in vboxMay 23 17:21
sebsebsebor somethingMay 23 17:21
sebsebsebplus they had another update after anisviery edidiontMay 23 17:21
razielle_tzui have one that would work but i didn't get it from m$May 23 17:21
razielle_tzuand it's only 2 months out of date as far as updates are concernedMay 23 17:22
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: somewhere got a genuine xp disc still ( unless she chucked out some whow, probably not )May 23 17:22
sebsebsebthose dics could work with that toMay 23 17:22
sebsebsebYAY piin ballMay 23 17:22
razielle_tzuthat would have to be air gappedMay 23 17:22
razielle_tzuno wifi, no lan, no bluetoothMay 23 17:23
razielle_tzuoh and an old usb protection circuitMay 23 17:23
razielle_tzusame with any version of 7 that isn't part of the extended support schemeMay 23 17:24
sebsebsebyes true I emeant for offline use thoughMay 23 17:25
sebsebseband yay pin ball :dMay 23 17:25
razielle_tzui prefer minesweeper or chessMay 23 17:25
sebsebseband paint even before it got all fancy iit seems in this new windows 10 updateMay 23 17:25
sebsebsebfree cell :)May 23 17:25
razielle_tzui haven't touched paint since win98May 23 17:25
sebsebseboh yeah windows 3.1 emulater stuff on archeive .org now I remember, can play the classic soliatereMay 23 17:26
sebsebseband do moreMay 23 17:26
razielle_tzuif i want to play card games i'll get a physical deck outMay 23 17:26
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: a pshyicall deck is ok tooMay 23 17:31
sebsebsebbut  virtual is goodMay 23 17:31
razielle_tzufor card games, unless i'm playing CAH with peeps from everywhere, i prefer having them in my handMay 23 17:32
sebsebsebwhats CAH ?May 23 17:32
razielle_tzucards against humanityMay 23 17:32
sebsebseboh not sure of that oneMay 23 17:32
razielle_tzuheh, look it upMay 23 17:32
sebsebseboh yeah schestowitz is from Manchester well Germany toMay 23 17:38
sebsebsebnot taked about this one here yet butMay 23 17:38
sebsebsebyesMay 23 17:38
sebsebsebschestowitz:  razielle_tzu what you think to the news /?May 23 17:39
razielle_tzuit's devastating but at the same time i don't know anyone personally that lives out thereMay 23 17:39
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yeah only schestowitz but we only know him in cyber space really :dMay 23 17:41
razielle_tzui was glad to hear some of the things in the aftermath though, like all the homeless peeps jumping in to help get people out and stuffMay 23 17:44
sebsebsebheaMay 23 17:45
sebsebsebyeah well kids like one said on itv news homeless guyMay 23 17:45
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razielle_tzui heard there was more than one that jumped in to helpMay 23 17:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867134429604360192May 23 17:47
TweetTuxMachines                 #Gaming News: #Shogun, #SteamOS, #DawnOfWar IIIMay 23 17:47
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/gMdtjjm8m9 (tuxmachines.org) #games #gnuMay 23 17:47
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/gMdtjjm8m9 (tuxmachines.org) #games #gnuMay 23 18:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867139334234755072May 23 18:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Gaming News: Shogun, SteamOS, Dawn Of War IIIMay 23 18:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gaming News: Shogun, SteamOS, Dawn Of War III | Tux MachinesMay 23 18:08
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Akademy https://t.co/pFqlFpsI7f (tuxmachines.org)May 23 18:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867140518194565120May 23 18:18
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #Akademy https://t.co/pFqlFpsI7f (tuxmachines.org)May 23 18:18
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #gnu #linuxMay 23 18:18
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*TweetTuxMachines @MrCoopersHouse favourited '#KDE Leftovers: #digikam, #KDevelop, #Kate, #GSoC, and #Akademy...'May 23 18:38
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/HeavenWatch11/status/867148168676364288May 23 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HeavenWatch11: @schestowitz Status quo must die.May 23 18:41
liberty_boxIn favour of Martial Law?May 23 18:41
liberty_boxhttps://soc.ialis.me/users/greycat/updates/10794May 23 18:43
liberty_box"Plato predicted this 2500 years ago.  Democracy crumbles as the people become apathetic and frightened -- they turn to a tyrant who promises to solve all their problems.  Duterte, Trump, Erdogan, May ... the tyrants have global reach.  May 23 18:43
liberty_boxIt will all break soon.  I don't think there's any stopping that now."May 23 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soc.ialis.me mastodon [ http://ur1.ca/qwxuo ]May 23 18:43
liberty_boxRockstar worship for the likes of Trump, Duterte and others. It's Obama's "Hope" gone rightwingMay 23 18:44
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/867149460966711297May 23 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Always loved Plato but so many people disagreed with me. Told me he was a rotten author <shrug> I suppose they cannot read...May 23 18:47
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/HeavenWatch11/status/867149575743655936May 23 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HeavenWatch11: @schestowitz We are already under Martial Law get with it.May 23 18:47
liberty_boxWhat does "We" mean here. Thailand had it, it's new in Philippines, may be coming with May to UKMay 23 18:49
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/HeavenWatch11/status/867150247943966721May 23 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HeavenWatch11: @schestowitz Corporatocracy...haven't you heard yet all these damn years?May 23 18:50
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/HeysannaHosanna/status/867153701613576192May 23 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HeysannaHosanna: Let's get this party started. https://t.co/4o9JFZ7AICMay 23 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #duterte blames all crime on "DROGA!" and solves all problems with Martial Law #marcos 2.0 https://t.co/G6TZph5PjiMay 23 19:04
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TweetTuxMachines                 KDE Leftovers: digikam, KDevelop, Kate, GSoC, and AkademyMay 23 19:14
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TweetTuxMachines                 Distro Review Of The Week - #DeepinOSMay 23 19:16
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/A3Q8ftGZMK (tuxmachines.org) #deepin #gnuMay 23 19:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Distro Review Of The Week - #DeepinOS https://t.co/A3Q8ftGZMK...'May 23 19:21
cubexyzjust can't stand tiny screens and tiny keyboardsMay 23 19:35
cubexyzgot to have a full sized keyboard and screenMay 23 19:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867163760271568897May 23 19:48
TweetTuxMachines                 LinuxAndUbuntu Distro Review Of The Week - Deepin OSMay 23 19:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867169561711321088May 23 20:06
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/3iMfi3Ia7v (tuxmachines.org)May 23 20:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #howto #gnu #linux #cliMay 23 20:06
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/3iMfi3Ia7v #howto #gnu #linux #cli'May 23 20:08
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TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/FljIkH1PgcMay 23 20:14
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TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/I9kvjpXcKMMay 23 20:47
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TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/nd8D0ufG74May 23 20:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/I9kvjpXcKM #android #linux #google'May 23 20:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867183644539887616May 23 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 #Tizen News: New Software, Smart TVs, Gear #S3May 23 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NwZTkqCrXa (tuxmachines.org)  #linuxMay 23 21:02
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Tizen News: New Software, Smart TVs, Gear #S3...'May 23 21:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867186181296988161May 23 21:12
TweetTuxMachines                 The History of #Ubuntu #Linux , #Canonical 's Open SourceMay 23 21:12
TweetTuxMachines                 OS https://t.co/eZLGemF6AC (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #debianMay 23 21:12
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'The History of #Ubuntu #Linux , #Canonical 's...'May 23 21:18
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TweetTuxMachines                 Tizen News: New Software, Smart TVs, Gear S3May 23 21:18
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TweetTuxMachines                 The History of Ubuntu Linux, Canonical's Open Source OSMay 23 21:47
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    The History of #Ubuntu #Linux , #Canonical 's Open SourceMay 23 23:39
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TweetTuxMachines                 #RedHat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, AutomationMay 23 23:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Tools https://t.co/6YBv0TG2Hr (tuxmachines.org) #securityMay 23 23:53
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TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, AutomationMay 24 00:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Tools https://t.co/JmXlGZFMad (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 00:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/867230515597905920May 24 00:40
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #RedHat Linux Upgrade Pushes New Security, AutomationMay 24 00:40
TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief      Tools https://t.co/6YBv0TG2Hr (tuxmachines.org) #securityMay 24 00:40
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cubexyzok, I did some experimenting with the rk driverMay 24 01:11
cubexyz/etc/mkfs /dev/rk l;s May 24 01:12
cubexyzseems 4971 blocks is the limitMay 24 01:15
cubexyzthat appears to be the limit of the rk driverMay 24 01:17
cubexyzok, so tonight I move all the man pages to /usr/manMay 24 01:23
cubexyzthat line with mkfs is garbledMay 24 01:33
cubexyz/etc/mkfs /dev/rk3 4971May 24 01:33
cubexyzthere's a #define NRKBLK 4872May 24 01:37
cubexyznot sure why I can squeeze 99 blocks more out of itMay 24 01:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867255479092883456May 24 01:48
TweetTuxMachines                 #LinuxFoundation and #LinuxKernel https://t.co/BZNXiNt27qMay 24 01:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation and Linux Kernel | Tux MachinesMay 24 01:49
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#LinuxFoundation and #LinuxKernel https://t.co/BZNXiNt27q'May 24 01:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867257529180471296May 24 01:56
TweetTuxMachines                 4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy andMay 24 01:56
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security https://t.co/xLMGMbiaSP (tuxmachines.org)May 24 01:56
TweetTuxMachines                 #surveillance #anonymity #tails #torMay 24 01:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | 4 Great Linux Distros Designed for Privacy and Security | Tux MachinesMay 24 01:56
cubexyzthe unix v7 install has a simulated 150 meg driveMay 24 01:57
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy...'May 24 02:00
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cubexyzthe rf driver looks very limitingMay 24 02:02
cubexyz"each disk contains 1024 256-word blocks"May 24 02:02
cubexyzback in the day they divided the rp drives into 2 partsMay 24 02:05
cubexyz"a full rp drive is 81200 blocks"May 24 02:05
cubexyzbut...May 24 02:05
cubexyzthe system can only address up to 65536 blocksMay 24 02:05
cubexyzthe 16-bit limitMay 24 02:06
cubexyzah, in v5 era this is the limit... after that probably notMay 24 02:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867260890080358400May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Foundation and Linux Kernel https://t.co/KagCydqTVDMay 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 02:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation and Linux Kernel | Tux MachinesMay 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867260902315147264May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 4 Great Linux Distros Designed for Privacy and SecurityMay 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/wxqqghkxMF (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/pjA4qEvfnbMay 24 02:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4 Great Linux Distros Designed for Privacy and Security | Tux MachinesMay 24 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: 4 Great Linux Distros Designed for Privacy and Security https://t.co/wxqqghkxMF https://t.co/pjA4qEvfnbMay 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867260905360244736May 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers: HackerOne, Let's Encrypt, and ShadowMay 24 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Brokers https://t.co/bbBd6NTkFE (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 02:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers: HackerOne, Let's Encrypt, and Shadow Brokers | Tux MachinesMay 24 02:09
cubexyzso I'll follow the directives of the unix v5 manual... that means /dev/rp0 will be 40600 blocksMay 24 02:09
cubexyztons of space!May 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867261061849731072May 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers: #HackerOne, #LetsEncrypt, andMay 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines                 #ShadowBrokers https://t.co/jA0b6WQqjt (tuxmachines.org)May 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines May 24 02:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers: HackerOne, Let's Encrypt, and Shadow Brokers | Tux MachinesMay 24 02:10
cubexyzdocument of this era likes to talk about 256 wordsMay 24 02:11
cubexyzthat's 512 bytesMay 24 02:12
cubexyzand block 0 of a disk is "unused"May 24 02:12
cubexyzbut it could contain stuff like a bootstrap program or label or some other infoMay 24 02:13
cubexyzok... the 99 block thing is explainedMay 24 02:15
cubexyzthere should be 99 blocks reserved for the free list which is used by checkMay 24 02:16
cubexyzso probably it's bad juju using 4971 blocks like I didMay 24 02:17
cubexyzso it's back to using 4872 blocks thenMay 24 02:18
cubexyzeach era of unix had it's own filesystem checking programMay 24 02:20
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: #HackerOne, #LetsEncrypt, and #ShadowBrokers https://t.co/jA0b6WQqjt'May 24 02:24
*TweetTuxMachines @amuseum favourited '4 Great #GNU #Linux Distros Designed for #Privacy...'May 24 02:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867271420069298177May 24 02:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: #NetworkManager, #Kodi, #Cumulus Weather App,May 24 02:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #Streamlink, #Calibre https://t.co/mEMfkR6OzLMay 24 02:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #freesw #gnu #linuxMay 24 02:52
TweetTuxMachines May 24 02:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #NetworkManager, #Kodi, #Cumulus Weather App, #Streamlink, #Calibre...'May 24 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Software: NetworkManager, Kodi, Cumulus Weather App, Streamlink, Calibre | Tux MachinesMay 24 02:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #NetworkManager, #Kodi, #Cumulus Weather App, #Streamlink, #Calibre...'May 24 03:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867275828266020864May 24 03:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu Leftovers: #Security, #Unity, Internet, andMay 24 03:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Derivatives https://t.co/dZuhX3IpJ9 (tuxmachines.org)May 24 03:08
TweetTuxMachines                 #ubuntu #canonical #gnu #linuxMay 24 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Leftovers: Security, Unity, Internet, and Derivatives | Tux MachinesMay 24 03:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu Leftovers: #Security, #Unity, Internet, and Derivatives https://t.co/dZuhX3IpJ9...'May 24 03:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867277501764063233May 24 03:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: NetworkManager, Kodi, Cumulus Weather App,May 24 03:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Streamlink, Calibre https://t.co/BtUCBM9sEeMay 24 03:14
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: NetworkManager, Kodi, Cumulus Weather App, Streamlink, Calibre | Tux MachinesMay 24 03:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867277503601164289May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu Leftovers: Security, Unity, Internet, andMay 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Derivatives https://t.co/1aTLw0bPYK (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines May 24 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Leftovers: Security, Unity, Internet, and Derivatives | Tux MachinesMay 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294364166348800May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 LibreOffice News https://t.co/7oTWtIQ5WIMay 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 04:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice News | Tux MachinesMay 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294365592334336May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Events and Talks https://t.co/vu1O6GHrZAMay 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines May 24 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Events and Talks | Tux MachinesMay 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294366825566208May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 OSS Leftovers https://t.co/b5yv2YT36xMay 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines May 24 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294368192798721May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Debian and Derivatives https://t.co/vkWx8i4MmaMay 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines May 24 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian and Derivatives | Tux MachinesMay 24 04:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294369451134976May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Fedora and Red Hat https://t.co/jndopSAFEqMay 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines May 24 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora and Red Hat | Tux MachinesMay 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294370818433024May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines                 GNOME News: Black Lab Drops GNOME and Further GNOMEMay 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Experiments in Meson https://t.co/c6rh36o6zlMay 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines May 24 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME News: Black Lab Drops GNOME and Further GNOME Experiments in Meson | Tux MachinesMay 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294372789866496May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines                 More of today's howtos https://t.co/8XqzPvBFR9May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines May 24 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More of today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294374731759616May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Graphics News https://t.co/L09913c9d3May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines May 24 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics News | Tux MachinesMay 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294376371773440May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines                 today's leftovers https://t.co/2rtY89gOMIMay 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines May 24 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 24 04:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867294536002748416May 24 04:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Links 24/5/2017: New #RHEL Beta, #SteamOS UpdatedMay 24 04:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/1fcI0RGnSz (techrights.org) … #techrightsMay 24 04:34
TweetTuxMachines May 24 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 24/5/2017: New RHEL Beta, SteamOS Updated | TechrightsMay 24 04:34
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Pompous Pompeo has already demonstrated...'May 24 04:45
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Pompous Pompeo has already demonstrated his hypocrisy...'May 24 04:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867300690724405248May 24 05:38
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Links 24/5/2017: New #RHEL Beta, #SteamOS UpdatedMay 24 05:38
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/1fcI0RGnSz (techrights.org) … #techrightsMay 24 05:38
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks This is the man who cracked (illegal)...'May 24 05:38
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks This is the man who...'May 24 05:58
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Recent developments have forced into silence or...'May 24 05:58
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Recent developments have forced into...'May 24 06:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867351881152057344May 24 08:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Gaming News https://t.co/1pYIuVsQPc (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 08:11
TweetTuxMachines May 24 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gaming News | Tux MachinesMay 24 08:11
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Gaming News https://t.co/1pYIuVsQPc'May 24 08:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/ThreadDotRun/status/867356014156419073May 24 10:10
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Gaming News https://t.co/1pYIuVsQPc (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 10:10
TweetTuxMachines @ThreadDotRun   May 24 10:10
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd @paulpogba Back to routine!'May 24 15:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867458755557863424May 24 15:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #RedHat News: #Flatpak, #CloudLinux, Red Hat EnterpriseMay 24 15:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux (#RHEL) 7.4 https://t.co/6Xt0UTSqitMay 24 15:16
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org)May 24 15:16
TweetTuxMachines May 24 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News: Flatpak, CloudLinux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 7.4 | Tux MachinesMay 24 15:16
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/jLUnncW.jpgMay 24 15:16
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat News: #Flatpak, #CloudLinux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux...'May 24 15:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867459959759413254May 24 15:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat News: Flatpak, CloudLinux, Red Hat EnterpriseMay 24 15:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux (RHEL) 7.4 https://t.co/9mYJ0TXyAuMay 24 15:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 15:34
TweetTuxMachines May 24 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News: Flatpak, CloudLinux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 7.4 | Tux MachinesMay 24 15:34
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd Vastly improved morale today'May 24 15:34
MinceRhttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/40/a6/35/40a63527a6d152febbe1c816972aa9ec.jpgMay 24 15:35
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/phd   http://smbc-comics.com/comics/1494336773-phdcomic_3_jcafter.pngMay 24 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - PhDMay 24 15:38
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @ManUtd Vastly improved morale today'May 24 15:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd @HenrikhMkh CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!'May 24 15:54
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @ManUtd @HenrikhMkh CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!'May 24 16:01
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd Finally he can walk again... back into...'May 24 16:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @ManUtd Finally he can walk again......'May 24 16:39
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/aDmzfHg.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/i9seS )May 24 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Train rails make rain trails - Album on ImgurMay 24 16:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867487688844128256May 24 17:10
TweetTuxMachines                 #KDE, #Qt, #GTK and #GNOME News https://t.co/OayyJniuoqMay 24 17:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 24 17:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | KDE, Qt, GTK and GNOME News | Tux MachinesMay 24 17:10
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: pingMay 24 17:12
razielle_tzuhi sebsebseb May 24 17:13
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: ok turned up found itMay 24 17:13
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: in a place should have looked really tooMay 24 17:13
razielle_tzufairMay 24 17:15
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: Ubuntu ambience theme you want to try that aws just reading May 24 17:16
razielle_tzuno i don'tMay 24 17:17
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: Manchester news  again of courseMay 24 17:18
razielle_tzumanchester is going to be in the news for a whileMay 24 17:20
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yeah watching bbc oneMay 24 17:20
sebsebsebwith my MumMay 24 17:20
razielle_tzuour tv hasn't been on in a couple of months nowMay 24 17:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867487928619999232May 24 17:29
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #KDE, #Qt, #GTK and #GNOME News https://t.co/OayyJniuoqMay 24 17:29
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 24 17:29
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MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdyU_gW6WEMay 24 17:31
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/v41KgrR.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/8pwcc )May 24 17:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867492792209100800May 24 18:34
TweetTuxMachines                 KDE, Qt, GTK and GNOME News https://t.co/SwciXkb0v9May 24 18:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 18:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE, Qt, GTK and GNOME News | Tux MachinesMay 24 18:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867509051139084288May 24 18:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers https://t.co/mInbj4grQwMay 24 18:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 18:34
TweetTuxMachines May 24 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 24 18:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867509053550874625May 24 18:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Tizen in Bolivia and India https://t.co/J9FCeK4ewiMay 24 18:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 18:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen in Bolivia and India | Tux MachinesMay 24 18:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867509055622791169May 24 18:40
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/1Z3bb3JQ3RMay 24 18:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 18:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 24 18:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867510675362402304May 24 18:41
TweetTuxMachines                 The Licensing and Compliance Lab interviews AJ Jordon ofMay 24 18:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #gplenforced https://t.co/W056gMQ1VN (tuxmachines.org)May 24 18:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #fsf #gnu #gpl #freeswMay 24 18:41
TweetTuxMachines May 24 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | The Licensing and Compliance Lab interviews AJ Jordon of gplenforced.org | Tux MachinesMay 24 18:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867510870099673092May 24 19:07
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    The Licensing and Compliance Lab interviews AJ Jordon ofMay 24 19:07
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #gplenforced https://t.co/W056gMQ1VN (tuxmachines.org)May 24 19:07
TweetTuxMachines                 #fsf #gnu #gpl #freeswMay 24 19:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867517331609591808May 24 19:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat General and Financial NewsMay 24 19:07
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Z5Pac3FtLU (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 19:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat General and Financial News | Tux MachinesMay 24 19:07
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TweetTuxMachines                 The Licensing and Compliance Lab interviews AJ Jordon ofMay 24 19:35
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Ys3CcLBWxT (gplenforced.org)May 24 19:35
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Tn2VXAuMfk (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 19:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Licensing and Compliance Lab interviews AJ Jordon of gplenforced.org | Tux MachinesMay 24 19:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867524527596617728May 24 19:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/MkLX9ycLK6May 24 19:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #googleMay 24 19:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 24 19:37
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/MkLX9ycLK6 #android #linux #google'May 24 19:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867525636230750208May 24 19:47
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/go2oX3RuyoMay 24 19:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 19:47
TweetTuxMachines May 24 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 24 19:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/MkLX9ycLK6 #android #linux #google'May 24 19:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/867529169852403712May 24 21:03
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Android Leftovers https://t.co/go2oX3RuyoMay 24 21:03
TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief      (www.tuxmachines.org)May 24 21:03
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cubexyzugh, a bit tedious moving everything over to a new driveMay 24 21:53
razielle_tzuit always isMay 24 21:53
cubexyzon v5 it's extra tediousMay 24 21:54
cubexyzstill not sure if I could have had those 99 extra blocksMay 24 21:54
cubexyzbut I'm playing it safeMay 24 21:54
razielle_tzufairMay 24 21:54
cubexyzplus I have to type in the missing man pages manuallyMay 24 21:55
cubexyzit's maybe 25% doneMay 24 21:55
razielle_tzuouchMay 24 21:55
cubexyzyeah progress has been disappointing slowMay 24 22:02
cubexyzI started 6 years ago :-/May 24 22:02
razielle_tzu:/May 24 22:02
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cubexyzwhat people may not know is that by 1974 unix had already reached a high level of sophisicationMay 24 22:34
cubexyzfar beyond anything we had on home computersMay 24 22:34
cubexyzmaybe not graphics wise or storage wiseMay 24 22:35
cubexyzcompare it to amigados 1.3 for exampleMay 24 22:35
cubexyzyou had to buy a compiler, and I think you had to buy an assembler tooMay 24 22:38
cubexyzcan't remember any free compiler, although there probably was oneMay 24 22:38
cubexyzthe original v5 manual was preserved, it's 306 pages May 24 22:42
cubexyzchunks of the original v5 userland are still missingMay 24 22:44
cubexyzI've resurrected a big chunk of that... that took a long timeMay 24 22:45
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cubexyzamazing to think Roosevelt imposed a top tax rate of 94%May 25 00:38
cubexyzin Eisenhower's time: 91%May 25 00:38
cubexyzI wonder what the top tax rate under Trump will beMay 25 00:39
cubexyzlooks like it's 39.6% nowMay 25 00:40
cubexyzyou'd have to earn $400K+ to get that rateMay 25 00:41
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TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/xWthmG7HbDMay 25 06:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google #samsungMay 25 06:24
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TweetTuxMachines                 OSS Leftovers https://t.co/xwvzEG9Qqa (tuxmachines.org)May 25 07:57
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswMay 25 07:57
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MinceRhttps://i0.wp.com/knuckledraggin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/acid_picdump_03.jpgMay 25 10:39
amarsh04well, I've met the late Dennis Ritchie and John Lions, that's about my only brushes with Unix historyMay 25 10:41
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/DN9kbMay 25 10:44
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gde33ދިވެހިރާއްޖޭގެ ޖުމްހޫރިއްޔާMay 25 12:24
MinceRhttps://imgur.com/gallery/xrzzUMay 25 12:33
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MinceRhttps://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-jessie-announce-052517May 25 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-devuan.org | Devuan GNU+Linux Free Operating System [ http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 ]May 25 15:50
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-stochastic-taxMay 25 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The Stochastic Tax [ http://ur1.ca/qxabe ]May 25 16:05
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/mo3scz9.gifMay 25 16:21
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/RlaAfuA.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/mwloL )May 25 17:10
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liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/johnonolenin/status/867854009255645185May 25 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnonolenin: @schestowitz @JulianAssange https://t.co/F1ezy4xJ61May 25 17:26
liberty_boxHe won't. He just hired him...May 25 17:26
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/867854334263832576May 25 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wendycockcroft: @schestowitz .@DavidAFrench oh Daaaaviiiid! This is the kind of thing I'm trying to bring to your attention: vengea… https://t.co/YX5ClzXWXKMay 25 17:27
liberty_box"May 25 17:27
liberty_box.@DavidAFrench oh Daaaaviiiid! This is the kind of thing I'm trying to bring to your attention: vengeance V the rule of law. Your take?May 25 17:27
liberty_box"May 25 17:27
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/sda729/status/867855408035188737May 25 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sda729: @schestowitz Is everyone outraged because Duterte is not buying his munitions from US?May 25 17:33
liberty_boxNo, there has been a lot more to it than thatMay 25 17:33
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867855793424441344May 25 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange I've heard our system will always end up two party system. Game theory. I should look i… https://t.co/e4UCKeGJFLMay 25 17:33
liberty_box"May 25 17:34
liberty_boxI've heard our system will always end up two party system. Game theory. I should look it up. Anyways, I don't like any of the other parties.May 25 17:34
liberty_box"May 25 17:34
liberty_boxBut look at France: 4-way split (first round)May 25 17:34
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/RonaldVermeij/status/867856896312705024May 25 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RonaldVermeij: @schestowitz Time to turn [...|off] the Tell-a-#Lie-vision (#TV ) apparatus for good, re-connect face-to-face again… https://t.co/e1IqTKntHZMay 25 17:37
liberty_box"May 25 17:37
liberty_boxTime to turn [...|off] the Tell-a-#Lie-vision (#TV ) apparatus for good, re-connect face-to-face again and get on with our real-lives.May 25 17:37
liberty_box"May 25 17:37
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/Carlospuntocom/status/867857494948839424May 25 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Carlospuntocom: https://t.co/fQpELybINt https://t.co/g9WtkoWQgvMay 25 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Carlospuntocom: https://t.co/RqAnNjLq6J https://t.co/jeCaQeAU9KMay 25 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #google is bring #drm to living room, having lobbied to bring it to the WWW too https://t.co/TrRvo7VdX3May 25 17:40
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/nyxpooka/status/867857627849555969May 25 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyxpooka: @schestowitz https://t.co/AQQDtTNMPv thought you might want to see this.May 25 17:40
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/nyxpooka/status/867857712318750721May 25 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyxpooka: @SandraEckersley @gerge42 @schestowitz @ingeniarius08 @wikileaks ?May 25 17:40
liberty_boxYou're wasting your time replying to her, but I too am guilty of thatMay 25 17:40
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867857790546694146May 25 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange Different system of elections. But to change that we need to change the constitution. P… https://t.co/ZjE3bDTpC3May 25 17:41
liberty_box"May 25 17:41
liberty_boxDifferent system of elections. But to change that we need to change the constitution. Personally, I don't believe democracy is good anymore.May 25 17:41
liberty_box"May 25 17:41
liberty_boxRather, believe that what you have is no longer democracy and hence democracy itself isn't the issueMay 25 17:41
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/truth_und_love/status/867858077151875072May 25 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@truth_und_love: @schestowitz @JulianAssange Unless we somehow fix it so they deal with long term problems and have to be loyal to c… https://t.co/CFVd68scRKMay 25 17:42
liberty_box"May 25 17:42
liberty_boxUnless we somehow fix it so they deal with long term problems and have to be loyal to citizens, not import new ones who vote how they want.May 25 17:42
liberty_box"May 25 17:42
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/johnonolenin/status/867858445667414017May 25 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnonolenin: @schestowitz @JulianAssange I know, just my opinionMay 25 17:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867864032010682368May 25 18:05
TweetTuxMachines                 #Android Leftovers https://t.co/ljL3mNyATfMay 25 18:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #linux #google #aospMay 25 18:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867864132715921408May 25 18:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Devices https://t.co/Bx7XlkNJCe (tuxmachines.org)May 25 18:05
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #raspi #hardwareMay 25 18:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Linux Devices | Tux MachinesMay 25 18:06
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers https://t.co/ljL3mNyATf #linux #google #aosp'May 25 18:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867864304942333952May 25 18:56
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Linux Devices https://t.co/Bx7XlkNJCe (tuxmachines.org)May 25 18:56
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #gnu #linux #raspi #hardwareMay 25 18:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867876972730253312May 25 18:57
TweetTuxMachines                 #Gaming News https://t.co/fUd0Ynx2nB (tuxmachines.org)May 25 18:57
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #gamesMay 25 18:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/867877227886555136May 25 19:37
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Gaming News https://t.co/fUd0Ynx2nB (tuxmachines.org)May 25 19:37
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #gnu #linux #gamesMay 25 19:37
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TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/aTrFlinoOe (tuxmachines.org)May 25 19:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #howto #gnu #linux #unixMay 25 19:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 25 19:46
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/aTrFlinoOe #howto #gnu #linux #unix'May 25 19:53
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TweetTuxMachines@linuxusergroup  https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/867891415681908738May 25 20:00
TweetTuxMachines                 @xychelsea Gonna keep this positive.. do giveMay 25 20:00
TweetTuxMachines                 @Steam_games a go! So good 2 exercise @FSF-mindedMay 25 20:00
TweetTuxMachines                 platforms on cutting edge. @SteamLUG @tuxmachinesMay 25 20:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (twitter.com) 🕊️💚🐧!May 25 20:00
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TweetTuxMachines                 #LinuxFoundation Grows So Much it Hires a Chief of StaffMay 25 20:01
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/mZbdk3WUzz (tuxmachines.org) background:May 25 20:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #dell #emc etc. #gnu  #linux #kernel #freeswMay 25 20:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867896882097532928May 25 20:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers https://t.co/WC2KLJEqdSMay 25 20:16
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #sambaMay 25 20:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #wannacryMay 25 20:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/WC2KLJEqdS #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #samba...'May 25 20:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867899652787404800May 25 20:27
TweetTuxMachines                 An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystemMay 25 20:27
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernelMay 25 20:27
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystemMay 25 20:47
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernelMay 25 20:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/867928609058562048May 25 22:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu-Based Alternatives and #Snapcraft 2.30May 25 22:27
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/1HsRJyqkA5 (tuxmachines.org) #ubuntuMay 25 22:27
TweetTuxMachines                 #canonical #linuxmintMay 25 22:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/jesusguevarauto/status/867931792199831556May 25 22:35
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    An introduction to Linux's EXT4 filesystemMay 25 22:35
TweetTuxMachines @jesusguevarauto  https://t.co/5qN57QQHcS (tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernelMay 25 22:35
TweetTuxMachines                 #ext4May 25 22:35
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cubexyzDevuan Jeesie 1.0 releasedMay 26 01:06
cubexyzJessieMay 26 01:06
cubexyzwho knows, maybe there'll be a Fedora forkMay 26 01:07
MinceRi doubt itMay 26 01:09
MinceRfedora is one with the cancer, through and throughMay 26 01:09
MinceRit has as much of the toxic redhat ideas as is currently possibleMay 26 01:09
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/OIEBbI7.jpgMay 26 01:54
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/WiB12FC.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/qxyIm )May 26 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The State of American Politics - Album on ImgurMay 26 01:58
cubexyzdamnMay 26 02:52
cubexyzI think xautolock will stop a download May 26 02:52
cubexyzI can set up a notifier to warn me when it's within a certain margin May 26 02:58
cubexyzok, added a 3 minute warning notifierMay 26 03:12
cubexyzone could flash the screen, but I'll use xmessageMay 26 03:14
cubexyzthat will stay on the screenMay 26 03:14
cubexyzof course I could just kill xautolock in that situationMay 26 03:18
oiaohmMinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Branding  its interesting fedora design make rebranding very possible.May 26 03:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Marketing/Branding - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/qxd6v ]May 26 03:47
oiaohmMinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FCNewInit and there have been quite a few different fedora forks at different times.May 26 03:51
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TweetTuxMachines                 Linux-based gizmo offers remote 3D printer control andMay 26 06:19
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/zocNrsT.jpgMay 26 15:05
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868179018423521280May 26 15:37
TweetTuxMachines                 When back home I will change focus/strategy a little.May 26 15:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Notably: Rianne do more of @tuxmachines and the accountMay 26 15:38
TweetTuxMachines                 will be used more. Efficiency.May 26 15:38
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/uFTwrrH.jpgMay 26 15:56
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liberty_box_https://mastodon.art/users/znkd/updates/10365May 26 16:22
liberty_box_"I used to only have nokia phones, back in the day of keyboards. Well I had like 2 or 3. The last I lost it. Was my favourite mobile of all time."May 26 16:22
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MinceRi had 2, they suckedMay 26 16:22
MinceRthen nokia became a m$ puppet, then nokia became a crApple puppetMay 26 16:23
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/N1Z6qTf.jpgMay 26 16:27
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TweetTuxMachines                 Wine 2.9 released https://t.co/HtQigijM69May 26 17:32
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cubexyzhmmm there's also the -corners option of xautolockMay 26 18:06
cubexyzmove the mouse pointer into a corner and xautolock won't do its thingMay 26 18:07
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MinceRhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DApA1wTXkAAREC3.jpgMay 26 18:13
cubexyzok, and it has -disable and -enableMay 26 18:21
cubexyzthat covers itMay 26 18:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868232973941735424May 26 18:31
TweetTuxMachines                 First Look at #Devuan 1.0: A Free OS Designed for #DebianMay 26 18:31
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cubexyzdamn it slashdot, enough with the adsMay 26 18:39
MinceRdid you expect anything good from slashdot?May 26 18:45
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cubexyzit's better than facebookMay 26 18:52
cubexyzI realize that isn't saying much May 26 18:52
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cubexyztoo many ads everywhereMay 26 18:54
MinceRindeed it isn't saying muchMay 26 18:57
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*TweetTuxMachines @trudystar1 favourited '@wikileaks Asking a person rot in detention (mental...'May 26 20:09
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cubexyzI'm locking out AhrefsBotMay 26 20:31
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cubexyzwell I hope I am... if it obeys robots.txtMay 26 20:31
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cubexyzconstant hammering on /coppermine/login.phpMay 26 20:39
cubexyzno idea why they do thatMay 26 20:39
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cubexyzi'd rather xmessage was located in /usr/X11R6/binMay 26 21:12
cubexyzbut linux seems to lump everything together in /usr/binMay 26 21:13
cubexyzactually the X programs are duplicated, they're in both directories on vectorMay 26 21:17
MinceRdon't blame the kernel for that :>May 26 21:18
cubexyzactually FC1 does it rightMay 26 21:19
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cubexyzjust seems better organized that wayMay 26 21:20
cubexyzxx.orgMay 26 21:23
cubexyzoopsMay 26 21:23
cubexyzand xmessage hasn't changed much since R5May 26 21:26
cubexyzeverything seemed to coalesce around 1994 or soMay 26 21:28
cubexyzredhat 1.0, X11R6, Darkstar Linux 0.99, really a pity I didn't switch over to linux or bsd back thenMay 26 21:29
cubexyzand the damnest thing is... I was selling FreeBSD 2.0 CDsMay 26 21:29
MinceRinb4 the poettering cult throws it out because "it's not being maintained"May 26 21:30
cubexyzit worksMay 26 21:31
cubexyzthat is xmessage worksMay 26 21:31
cubexyzI was just thinking it's a pity I was bogged down with win95 crap back thenMay 26 21:32
cubexyznot sure what poettering's opinions on X11 would beMay 26 21:34
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cubexyzI don't think of X11 stuff as legacy as I'm still writing X11 programsMay 26 21:35
cubexyzanyways if anyone tries to dump X11 I'll just make my own distro or somethingMay 26 21:36
MinceRthey don't careMay 26 21:37
MinceRaccording to the cult, everything has to be fucked around with and rewritten until it's totally unusable and full of holesMay 26 21:38
MinceRas for X11, they were already plotting to replace it with wayland when wayland couldn't do half of what X11 doesMay 26 21:38
cubexyzrecently I setup a nice slackware 14.2 boxMay 26 21:40
cubexyzit's pretty recent and it has all the X11 stuffMay 26 21:40
cubexyz14.2 was released june 2016 May 26 21:41
cubexyzeveryone isn't going to follow poettering's directionMay 26 21:43
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oiaohmcubexyz: the end to X11 does not come from poettering it comes from x.org foundation.   Of course X11 will disappear from primany but xwayland that is X11 inside wayland its going to stick around possible for ever.May 26 23:35
oiaohmMinceR: X11 has multi papers detailing defects in protocol that cannot be fixed without breaking existing applications.  That is why new protocol wayland.   The developer of wayland attempt to design fixes to 200 different issues in X11 protocol.May 26 23:42
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cubexyzwell, I'm going to keep using X11May 27 00:58
cubexyzsure I could criticize X11 May 27 01:00
cubexyzit's overly elaborate comes to mindMay 27 01:00
cubexyzthat's why Xvesa and Xtiny were createdMay 27 01:00
cubexyzand really Wayland is not fully readyMay 27 01:04
cubexyzreduced usability, slower performanceMay 27 01:04
cubexyzKDE4 was slower, thus I switch to icewmMay 27 01:06
cubexyzsame idea as before... I use parts of KDEMay 27 01:07
cubexyzI could see the desktop redrawing itself, that's how slow it was sometimesMay 27 01:07
cubexyzfor systems with very small (ha!) memory I use XvesaMay 27 01:18
cubexyzXFree86 executable used to be around 2 megs in sizeMay 27 01:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868335899674673152May 27 01:21
TweetTuxMachines                 What to Expect (and Not Expect) from #GNU #Linux May 27 01:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Packages  https://t.co/OC4JkvCeQn (tuxmachines.org) May 27 01:21
TweetTuxMachines                 #snap #flatpak  #gnome #fedora #redhat #canonicalMay 27 01:21
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cubexyzXvesa is 869,580 bytesMay 27 01:21
oiaohmcubexyz: performance benchmarks on wayland vs x.org show them about the same most of the time with wayland a lot faster in some cases.May 27 01:21
oiaohmcubexyz: scary enough is even xwayland performance is fairly close to x.org straight on hardware.May 27 01:25
cubexyzahem, ssh -Y etcMay 27 01:26
oiaohmcubexyz: wayland protocol itself does not cover remote desktop.   That does not mean other remote solutions cannot be used.   Like gtk + html5 backend.May 27 01:29
cubexyzwhat, I'm running in the brower?May 27 01:33
cubexyzbrowserMay 27 01:34
oiaohmLibreoffice online running in browser is using the gtk3 html5 backend.May 27 01:35
oiaohmhttps://wiki.tizen.org/Weston_RDP_access there is already wayland compistores with the start of rdp.May 27 01:35
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cubexyza microsoft proprietary protocol?May 27 01:37
cubexyzreally....May 27 01:37
oiaohmthere are vnc around and other things as well.May 27 01:37
cubexyzRFB protocol thenMay 27 01:38
oiaohmRDP was chosen mostly due to how many clients already have it.May 27 01:38
cubexyzwhich I guess would be OKMay 27 01:38
oiaohmBoth the browser path and the RDP path are both about what you can expect in be support by most clients.May 27 01:39
cubexyzdon't you remember M$'s dirty tricks with Kerberos?May 27 01:40
oiaohmDo note the RDP example is using freerdp client as test bed.  So open source client as well.May 27 01:42
oiaohmThe dominate rdp in thin clients is freerdp.May 27 01:43
cubexyzM$ version of Kerberos didn't play nice with MIT's versionMay 27 01:43
oiaohmFreerdp and MS RDP at times do have issues.May 27 01:43
oiaohmSo that stuff is not forgotten.May 27 01:43
cubexyzsubsuming Kerberos and making it incompatible with the original == BADMay 27 01:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868336200578355201May 27 01:44
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cubexyzalso flash... oh boy don't get me startedMay 27 01:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868342029746528259May 27 01:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Security Leftovers https://t.co/WlTMFnIFjXMay 27 01:45
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oiaohmI know your fear.  Please note the wayland core protocol was design that it could even be disconnected from opengl.May 27 01:45
cubexyzthe favourite way for media companies to block recording their shows on the netMay 27 01:45
oiaohmWayland objective is to make a solid core.May 27 01:45
oiaohmWere it gets extended from there comes interesting equestions.May 27 01:46
cubexyzok, well...May 27 01:46
cubexyzI hope wayland works May 27 01:46
cubexyzBUTMay 27 01:46
oiaohmwhen wayland started html5 for remote was also looked at.May 27 01:46
cubexyzI have an interesting in very low memory environmentsMay 27 01:46
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cubexyzugh, I must be tired tonightMay 27 01:46
oiaohmThat is one thing were wayland has got better.May 27 01:46
cubexyzinterestedMay 27 01:46
oiaohmwayland is forcing memory to be kernel managed.May 27 01:47
oiaohmInstead of lets run drivers in userspace and leak maddly with no way of being blamed.May 27 01:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868342654270033920May 27 01:47
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/cbsfyf5jF1 (tuxmachines.org)May 27 01:47
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cubexyzok, as far as I know, I'm not running device drivers in userspaceMay 27 01:49
oiaohmcubexyz: nvidia opengl stream stuff instead of using gbm that the other are using was to aviod having to do kernel level memory management.May 27 01:49
oiaohmcubexyz: basically lets not tell the kernel how we have used the video card memory and pray that our in card and userspace code is correct.May 27 01:50
cubexyzto be honest, I'm not completely sure how radeonfb worksMay 27 01:51
oiaohmwayland is starting a lot of driver sanity questions.May 27 01:51
cubexyzwould I be able to use radeonfb with wayland?May 27 01:51
oiaohmMostly got away with not answer due to X11 tollerating all kinds of stupidty that a wayland will reject.May 27 01:51
oiaohmradeonfb that the open source driver right if so that already has wayland supprot.May 27 01:52
cubexyzthere was xorg-server-xvfbMay 27 01:52
cubexyzvga16fb was the old oneMay 27 01:53
oiaohmwayland can be ordered to run on framebuffer.May 27 01:53
cubexyzand what about old games like HOMM3 and majesty?May 27 01:53
oiaohmof course on framebuffer it drops to software rendering.May 27 01:53
cubexyzI'd have to retest everythingMay 27 01:53
oiaohmxwayland that is x.org running on top of wayland should support the old X11 applications.May 27 01:54
oiaohmthe migration plan is not stupid and not a short time frame plan.May 27 01:54
oiaohmSome point in the furture x.org will just not have any other video driver other than xwayland.May 27 01:55
cubexyzI heard there's an X12 in developmentMay 27 01:56
oiaohmcubexyz: X12 is wayland.   Turned out X12 was trademarked for something else.May 27 01:57
cubexyzbut who knows when that will happenMay 27 01:57
cubexyzI wonder what the slack folks are going to doMay 27 01:58
oiaohmcubexyz: X12 was talked about then the lead developer of wayland attempted to fix X11 then when the design faults were too large checked out trademark issue and then wayland started.May 27 01:59
cubexyzthere's no reason why you couldn't talk to a scanner in userspaceMay 27 02:01
cubexyzshort commandsMay 27 02:02
cubexyzdoesn't minix do that?May 27 02:02
cubexyzand if the device driver crashes no biggie, you just kill itMay 27 02:03
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.hl7.com/x12.html  this is the X12 that was existing making using X12 as a name a bad idea.May 27 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hl7.com | What is X12?May 27 02:03
oiaohmcubexyz: minix is using a microkernel so driver and application are running in two different allocations of userspace memory.May 27 02:05
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oiaohmcubexyz: wayland and x11 have been horrible monolithic.May 27 02:05
oiaohmcubexyz: people forget when X11 use to have it own font server.May 27 02:06
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oiaohmcubexyz: even worse in the X11 protocol there is a standard for it own printer communication protocol May 27 02:06
oiaohmcubexyz: think you screen server running in it own memory space something like cups.May 27 02:07
cubexyzthere was XPRINTMay 27 02:07
cubexyzbut I never used itMay 27 02:07
cubexyzany X11 program could render output to the printer I thinkMay 27 02:08
oiaohmX11 idea of a unlimited extendable protocol end up at complete insanity.May 27 02:08
cubexyzmaybe FC1 could use thatMay 27 02:08
cubexyzheck, maybe vector classic could as wellMay 27 02:09
cubexyzand that reminds me, xpdf segfaults on vector :-/May 27 02:10
oiaohmhttps://www.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.1/doc/Xprint.7.htmlMay 27 02:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org | "Xprint"("__miscmansuffix__") manual page [ http://ur1.ca/qxgsa ]May 27 02:11
oiaohmcubexyz: yes xprint was configure all you cups registered printers again.May 27 02:12
oiaohmcubexyz: yes xprint did include a x11 server to x11 server printing.May 27 02:12
cubexyzI remember in the old days each application had to include it's own printer codeMay 27 02:12
cubexyze.g. WPMay 27 02:12
oiaohmThis is hang overs from then.May 27 02:12
cubexyzthe bad old daysMay 27 02:12
oiaohmX11 is full of bad old days stuff.May 27 02:13
oiaohmwayland is kind of a sanity line in the sand.May 27 02:13
cubexyzbut now I would just screenshot and print thatMay 27 02:13
oiaohmthen working out do we need any of the old stuff or should we ditch it and move on.May 27 02:13
oiaohmquestion about ditch is if wayland should support remote or should applications just straight up support being put on a webserver.May 27 02:14
oiaohmor maybe wayland compistor should exist that does html5 May 27 02:15
oiaohmThere are some advantage to using html 5 like using javascript to validate user input.May 27 02:16
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cubexyzwe don't _really_ need XorintMay 27 02:19
cubexyzXprintMay 27 02:19
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cubexyzthere was the old command xprMay 27 02:20
cubexyzprint an X window dumpMay 27 02:20
cubexyzso you can xwd then xprMay 27 02:20
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cubexyzyeah I don't have xpr on vector May 27 02:22
oiaohmcubexyz: the xwayland path will allow a X11 server per application for the insane ones.May 27 02:22
cubexyzbut you can convert xwd stuff to png or whatever so no problemMay 27 02:23
cubexyzas expected FC1 and openbsd 4.7 have xprMay 27 02:24
cubexyzI suppose I could get xpr easily enoughMay 27 02:25
oiaohmcubexyz: you have to remember you have places running applications from 1995 Linux because they are closed source for controlling some odd ball hardware from a company that no longer exists.May 27 02:25
cubexyzyes but singling out 1995 linux seems a bit unfairMay 27 02:26
oiaohmcubexyz: those have lead to hey you cannot remove X feature from X11May 27 02:26
cubexyzit's much more likely that you have a closed source 1995 windows programMay 27 02:26
oiaohmcubexyz: that is date from a real X11 bug report.May 27 02:26
oiaohmcubexyz: the glibc wrapping and other things to make those application work is horrible.May 27 02:27
cubexyzfirst I'd blame the manufacturer of the device May 27 02:27
oiaohmThey are no more.May 27 02:27
cubexyzdid they make the protocols available? that is the questionMay 27 02:28
oiaohmMost cases no they went into reciever ship and those have been sold to who know who then most likely lost them.May 27 02:28
cubexyzdid they use some funky undocument chip inside the device, etc etcMay 27 02:28
oiaohmFairly much undocumented everything.May 27 02:29
oiaohmBefore companies started to wake up and started demarding standard conforming stuff.May 27 02:29
oiaohmEven today we don't demard enough documentation out of hardware makers.May 27 02:29
cubexyzit's everything thoughMay 27 02:30
oiaohmIf something is critical to your business operations it should be documented.May 27 02:30
cubexyzradios, home applications, everythingMay 27 02:30
cubexyzrightMay 27 02:30
oiaohmProblem is once it come core and it not documented and the company no more then what.May 27 02:31
oiaohmwayland with xwayland will provide a cleaner way out of the hole than the existing X11 solution.May 27 02:31
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cubexyzoh yeah now I remember...May 27 02:37
cubexyzback when I was studying the study of X11 I saw X11R3 version of xprMay 27 02:38
cubexyzit wouldn't compile on anything modern thoughMay 27 02:38
cubexyzstudying the history :-/May 27 02:38
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cubexyzyeah xload, xman, xpr all got the axe some time agoMay 27 02:41
cubexyzok, anyways it will be interesting to have a look at the codeMay 27 02:45
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DaemonFChttps://betanews.com/2015/12/21/microsoft-has-a-bright-future-says-goldman-sachs/May 27 02:47
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DaemonFCWondering if Microsoft has much of a future to be honest.May 27 02:47
DaemonFCThey only have a few products that aren't a disaster.May 27 02:47
DaemonFCBy disaster, I mean fiscal disaster.May 27 02:47
DaemonFCThey've been subsidizing hundreds of side ventures over the years with revenue from Windows and Office, but it always comes back to two products in the end.May 27 02:48
DaemonFCschestowitz, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 even made fun of Microsoft.May 27 02:48
DaemonFCAt the end of the movie, they give "Starlord" a Zune and tell him it's what everyone on Earth uses to play music now.May 27 02:49
DaemonFCMicrosoft made no official comment, but according to some reports, they were not happy about that.May 27 02:49
DaemonFCWell, XBOX has been a succcessful division. May 27 02:51
DaemonFCIt removed a use case for Windows, but they make it up on game royalties.May 27 02:51
DaemonFCJohn bought a PS4. I'm not liking console gaming too much these days. Downloadable games that only work on one console and don't have resale value is where it's all heading, and the controllers have these integrated batteries, so after 500-600 charge cycles you have to throw the whole damned thing away.May 27 02:52
cubexyzI get games from gog these daysMay 27 02:52
cubexyzif I'm feeling nostalgic I'll break out the sega genesis :)May 27 02:53
cubexyzI'd never buy a PS4 or a XboxMay 27 02:55
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DaemonFCThe draw of a console is that they subsidize the hardware and you also know that the games are going to work and the performance level won't be unplayable.May 27 02:57
DaemonFCThe downside is that you end up paying for your ownn discount after you've bought a few games.May 27 02:58
DaemonFCI liked the original xbox. May 27 02:59
DaemonFCMost people didn't. A lot of the games were crap.May 27 02:59
DaemonFCBut I got it for $200 and there were _enough_ good titles for it.May 27 02:59
DaemonFCThe launch titles were all horrible except for Halo.May 27 03:00
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MinceRoiaohm: that doesn't give them charte blanche to randomly throw things out that other people need, or to decide what software i will run.May 27 09:13
oiaohmMinceR: xwayland will be able to bundled with application.  So yes the xwayland change allows distributions to limit down what can be run using included X11 but it also allows items like snap and flatpak to include their own X11.May 27 10:00
oiaohmMinceR: putting unified management between x11 mess of a protocol with issue and hardware allows dealing with it problems better.May 27 10:02
MinceRgreat. will it work with pointer capturing and warping?May 27 10:02
oiaohmMinceR: most cases these days under X11 that is done by libinput anyhow as most of X11 input drivers have been exterminated already.May 27 10:03
MinceRthat's not an answerMay 27 10:03
MinceRwithout pointer capturing and warping, you can't run fps games properly.May 27 10:04
MinceR(even some window manager features can be broken by it)May 27 10:04
MinceRbut it's "insecure"May 27 10:04
oiaohmMinceR: it is an answer.   pointer capturing and warping both work by libinput and that is the same on wayland and x11.May 27 10:04
oiaohmx.org X11 server is being systematically gutted.May 27 10:05
oiaohmMinceR: pointer capture and warping don't have to be insecure.May 27 10:06
oiaohmhttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland-Pointer-Confinement   pointer capture is addressed by pointer confinement.May 27 10:08
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MinceRfunny, at the end of this journey the waylandists may just realize that X features weren't insecure after allMay 27 10:08
oiaohmwrong.May 27 10:08
oiaohmx11 allowed pointer capture when the pointer was no longer above your application.May 27 10:08
oiaohmwithout any special permission.May 27 10:09
MinceRguess what, that could be changedMay 27 10:09
MinceRwithout reinventing XMay 27 10:09
oiaohmNot really to make mouse warping work right with xwayland you have to pretend the mouse has gone outside field of view at times.   Some applications have the insanity of the ghost moving window.May 27 10:10
oiaohmMinceR: reason for needing more than 1 X11 server some X11 applications design are really in the world of nuts.May 27 10:11
MinceRwell, at least there's something that isn't nuts: dereferencing null pointers in pid1May 27 10:12
MinceRthat's perfectly sane and normalMay 27 10:12
oiaohmSo you have not read the first audit reports on X.org.May 27 10:12
oiaohmthey only found 2 million cases of that.May 27 10:13
oiaohmin 2006May 27 10:13
MinceRi didn't know X runs in pid1May 27 10:13
oiaohmMinceR: in some embedded devices yes.May 27 10:13
MinceRwill there be a systemd-xd to go with systemd-mutterd?May 27 10:13
MinceRor with kmutter?May 27 10:13
oiaohmMinceR: some embedded devices start x11 as PID1May 27 10:14
oiaohmMinceR: so if it crashes system auto reboots.May 27 10:14
MinceRsome people use X11 wrong, therefore we must destroy X11 and give them windows instead!May 27 10:15
MinceRof course!May 27 10:15
oiaohmIts not some a lot of people have been using X11 wrong.May 27 10:15
oiaohmAnd some are using X11 wrong to avoid issues that current day X11 servers don't have.May 27 10:16
oiaohmMinceR: remember before KMS  x11 servers had to run as root user so a high privillage target.May 27 10:17
MinceRtalk to openbsd guys about that :>May 27 10:18
oiaohmThat root bit explains why wayland is going after having a network protocol as default.May 27 10:18
oiaohmSo local and network protocol parts split in two.May 27 10:19
MinceRnone of this justifies forcing systemd on users, or forcing client-side decorations on usersMay 27 10:19
oiaohmClient-side decorations come down to isolation.May 27 10:19
oiaohmand it not like X11 prevented applications from doing client-side decorations.May 27 10:20
MinceRit also didn't prevent the window manager from doing decorations properlyMay 27 10:20
oiaohmkwin wayland does windows boarders if applications allows it to.May 27 10:21
oiaohmSo its in the protocol.May 27 10:21
oiaohmEven under X11 you could end up with the double window bared window where the wm had done decorations and the applicaiton had done as well.May 27 10:22
oiaohmThe main reason for wayland preference for client side is to reduce down the number of buffer merges the system has to perform.May 27 10:24
MinceRusability and consistency be damnedMay 27 10:25
MinceRalso, modularityMay 27 10:25
MinceRput half the window manager in the display server, and the other half in the widget toolkitMay 27 10:26
oiaohmSo your forget xmms and others that had already under X11 say to wm no server side decorations.May 27 10:26
MinceRyou forget that with fvwm, i can force decorations on themMay 27 10:26
MinceRi could even force decorations on kicker's panelMay 27 10:26
MinceRmake it nonsticky, move it aroundMay 27 10:26
oiaohmMinceR: with Kwin wayland you can force decorations as well.May 27 10:26
MinceRkwin is the odd one out, in this caseMay 27 10:27
oiaohmSo it a wayland compositors choice and it included in the wayland protocol the options todo that.May 27 10:27
MinceRthe rest of the cult believes in copying a windows design flaw that already had a workaround for one of its consequences in windows xpMay 27 10:27
MinceR16 years ago.May 27 10:27
MinceRthis is red hat's idea of "progress".May 27 10:28
oiaohmMind you having all the menu bars then same does nothing about the menu bars.... everything else in the applications gui  being different fonts and colours.May 27 10:28
oiaohmopps windows title bars should have been the first menu barsMay 27 10:28
oiaohmReally does not matter if the stuff is rendered client or server the big thing need is uniform theming.May 27 10:29
MinceRyeah, such a great needMay 27 10:29
MinceRlet's destroy the entire GUI so we can have itMay 27 10:29
MinceRand claim that the windowing systems they worship, windows and macos, both have it, even though they don't and they never didMay 27 10:30
MinceRmeanwhile they also worship the web, which is even less uniformMay 27 10:30
oiaohmBoth windows and macos from start of their graphical had uniform locations to look up basic things like default colours and fonts.May 27 10:30
MinceRyet none of those things can force gui applications to look alikeMay 27 10:31
MinceRalso, in later windows versions you actually had to do magical stuff in your application so windows lets you use the latest themeMay 27 10:31
oiaohmAlso windows can force title bars on it.May 27 10:31
MinceRand at least the one macos x version i tried with greater interest had 2 different skins right in the FinderMay 27 10:31
MinceRit had 2 different UIs, one with the ruled paper with drops of blue liquid theme, and one with the brushed metal themeMay 27 10:32
MinceRalso, i wonder how will these people force gtk themes on mcMay 27 10:32
MinceRor on iptrafMay 27 10:32
MinceRor on ncmpcppMay 27 10:33
MinceRor on java applications that use swing and let the user pick a themeMay 27 10:33
oiaohmMinceR: people also forget that wm was added latter to X11May 27 10:35
oiaohmMinceR: the first X11 server if you wanted a title bar you application had to render it by it self.May 27 10:35
MinceRand it was possibly the greatest thing that ever happened to windowing systemsMay 27 10:35
MinceRbecause it meant that if you didn't like your window manager, you could replace itMay 27 10:35
oiaohmIts double sided.May 27 10:36
MinceRand that if your system was set up appropriately, and your window manager crashed, you could start it again without losing your workMay 27 10:36
MinceRthis is also software engineering 101May 27 10:36
oiaohmIt also meant working out proper theming storage between applications stopped as well.May 27 10:36
MinceRand therefore poettering knows nothing about itMay 27 10:36
MinceRisn't that one of the things xrdb can do?May 27 10:37
MinceRset and store settings in one place, let all x clients access themMay 27 10:37
MinceRyour applications and your window manager are x clientsMay 27 10:37
oiaohmIt should but that never developed to be the go to place for theming.May 27 10:37
MinceRthere probably are other ways you can make the same information available to all x clientsMay 27 10:37
oiaohmAgain after title bars matched a lot of toolkits were not forced to use common theming.   Its like gtk or qt on windows you watch them go to common theming there yet then they cannot do that on Linux.May 27 10:38
MinceRyou can hardly even configure title bars on winblowsMay 27 10:39
MinceRhell, when they added support for this in xp, they required themes to be signed in some way just to get in your wayMay 27 10:39
MinceRand of course on macos pretty much the only thing they let you configure is what color selected text appears withMay 27 10:40
MinceRwhich is a joke to anyone who has ever used a non-crippled windowing systemMay 27 10:41
MinceRon vista7, i had to disable "aero" so i could set the font the GUI usedMay 27 10:41
MinceRridiculousMay 27 10:41
MinceRbut apparently this is what poettering and his flunkies believe we should be forced intoMay 27 10:41
oiaohmwith compositors under x11 crashing that was more fatal.   One of the things built into wayland is that the compistor can be stopped and the applications can reconnect.May 27 10:42
oiaohmSo wayland design do deal with a few bad issues.May 27 10:42
MinceRwon't help if the compositor triggers a GPU driver bug that makes the entire computer freezeMay 27 10:42
MinceRalso, the compositor uses extra memory i may have a better use forMay 27 10:43
oiaohmGPU is meant to have a functional watchdog.May 27 10:43
oiaohmGPU freese way more often than most people know as over 99 percent of cases the gpu is restarted in background without you ever knowing.May 27 10:44
MinceRthat meaning doesn't mean anything unless someone can force GPU designers to actually do it properlyMay 27 10:45
oiaohmMinceR: one of the reasons for client side decorations is to reduce memory foot print.May 27 10:45
MinceRGPUs are out of users' controlMay 27 10:45
oiaohmMinceR: better if GPU designs would not design GPU that crash as part of normal operationsMay 27 10:45
MinceRhow will keeping half a window manager in GTK+ in memory, another half a window manager in Qt in memory, and one for every other toolkit save memory?May 27 10:46
oiaohm???May 27 10:46
MinceRmaybe if they managed to ban non-gnome applications -- but if they can do that, most of this scrambling to take users' freedoms away is for naughtMay 27 10:46
oiaohmDon't you understand how wayland is doing it memory.May 27 10:46
MinceRoiaohm: well, who renders CSD-s, who makes their controls work?May 27 10:46
MinceRthe toolkit does.May 27 10:47
MinceRthis is one of the main problems with CSD.May 27 10:47
MinceRevery toolkit will have its own idea of how it should look, how it should workMay 27 10:47
MinceRit will have to be loaded into your memory and running on your CPU to make it workMay 27 10:47
oiaohmThat is true under X11 using opengl for everything bar the titlebar.May 27 10:47
MinceRand since it's a pointless task foisted on toolkit developers, they'll half-ass itMay 27 10:48
oiaohmAs you find gtk and qt already doing.May 27 10:48
MinceRyeah, for waylandMay 27 10:48
oiaohmgtk and qt are doign that under X11May 27 10:48
MinceRwayland already managed to bloat the 2 most used toolkits for all of usMay 27 10:48
oiaohmbefore wayland comes along.May 27 10:48
MinceRshow me a client-side title bar on a gtk and on a qt application on x11.May 27 10:48
MinceRgnome developers already half-assed everything a DE doesMay 27 10:48
MinceReven if earlier gnome versions did it right, they tossed it into a shredderMay 27 10:49
MinceR27 164826 < MinceR> show me a client-side title bar on a gtk and on a qt application on x11.May 27 10:49
MinceRrendered and operated by the toolkit.May 27 10:49
MinceRdon't bother me with what xmms renders for itself, it doesn't count.May 27 10:49
oiaohmMinceR: gtk has had a headerbar for a long time that is client side title bar option.May 27 10:51
oiaohmMinceR: and qt has the same.May 27 10:52
MinceRi have yet to see it on xMay 27 10:52
oiaohmMinceR: both were require when running straight on framebuffer without X11 at all.May 27 10:52
MinceRafaik they do not support thatMay 27 10:52
MinceRoh, framebufferMay 27 10:52
MinceRfor a moment i thought x11 without wm :)May 27 10:52
MinceRi doubt the binaries i have will launch on a framebuffer without xMay 27 10:53
oiaohmYes the feature could be turned on under x11.May 27 10:53
MinceRso, why the bloat?May 27 10:53
MinceRwhy do i have to pay for stuff i'll never use?May 27 10:53
oiaohmFor testing.May 27 10:53
oiaohmSo testing out embedded application under x11 you would have two title bars one toolkit generated one X11 wm generated.May 27 10:54
MinceRyeah, i'm testing whether that dead code really remains dead the whole time these applications are runningMay 27 10:54
MinceRso exciting!May 27 10:54
oiaohmOf course you load qt and gtk into memory with a normal application under X11 and that stuff was coming along for the ride anyhow.May 27 10:55
oiaohmSame with most of the other so called X11 toolkits.May 27 10:55
oiaohma lot of CSD has been in system as never run code.May 27 10:56
oiaohmto most users.May 27 10:56
oiaohmwayland goal with CSD is that only 1 buffer were possible will be used between client and server.   Instead of under X11 where your toolkit has a buffer.   The windows manager has to now create another buffer to put the clientside dectorations in and merge with buffer applciation has provided.May 27 10:58
oiaohmSo wm model of X11 was consuming up 3 buffers allocations to where CSD can successfuly use 1 buffer allocation. May 27 10:59
MinceRwayland has all the wrong goalsMay 27 10:59
MinceRand all the important functionality is sacrificedMay 27 10:59
oiaohmYou cannot have everything.May 27 11:01
oiaohmNot all users want everything.May 27 11:01
oiaohmCSD has it place.   Interesting point is even that wayland allows windows to CSD wayland also include means that buttons on the tittle bar triggers like close still go to the compositor.May 27 11:04
oiaohmMinceR: so wayland is a halfway between pure CSD and Server side.May 27 11:04
MinceR27 170138 < oiaohm> Not all users want everything.May 27 11:04
MinceRand then you're baffled that some people stick with X11.May 27 11:05
oiaohmI am not baffled at all.May 27 11:05
oiaohmHuman resist change.May 27 11:05
oiaohmYou complain about systemd over bundling stuff then you start demarding that wayland includes every feature.May 27 11:06
oiaohmReally MinceR its about time you start getting your arguements aligned.May 27 11:06
MinceRoiaohm: here's an interesting fact: not all change has to be for the worse.May 27 11:07
MinceRand no, i don't demand that wayland include every featureMay 27 11:07
MinceRi demand that wayland allow someone implement every featureMay 27 11:07
MinceRX11 doesn't include a window manager, yet you can use one with X11.May 27 11:07
oiaohmX11 protocol does include windows manager defined what it is.May 27 11:07
MinceRsee, modularity and running multiple processes on a system may scare poettering, but they really are good ideas.May 27 11:08
oiaohmwayland does something different.May 27 11:08
MinceRthe ICCCM and the EWMH do, thoughMay 27 11:08
MinceRpossibly others tooMay 27 11:08
oiaohmWayland defines that application and run without a wayland compsitor.May 27 11:08
oiaohmSo compistor dies you can start another one.May 27 11:08
MinceRthat's great, then i can run them on XMay 27 11:08
oiaohmX11 you have to use a third party like https://xpra.org/ to have that feature.May 27 11:09
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oiaohmSo instead of changable wm wayland does changeable compositors.May 27 11:10
oiaohmOf course we still have issues of the likes of gnome not implementing changeable.  We are back to the days of some of the early wm nightmares.May 27 11:14
oiaohmMinceR: https://plus.google.com/+MartinGr%C3%A4%C3%9Flin/posts/HsMpE238jUL  correctly designed wayland stuff can live threw compistor crashes and replacements.May 27 11:17
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oiaohmMinceR: so software done right under wayland should be a lot stronger than X11 of course its getting the developers to make it durable.May 27 11:18
MinceR"stronger"May 27 11:19
MinceRit remains to be seen whether they'll be able to do what people like me depend on and whether they'll run without any massive backdoorsMay 27 11:20
oiaohmWayland protocol is design with the idea of server loss.May 27 11:22
oiaohmX11 is not design with that that is where xpra comes in.May 27 11:22
oiaohmMinceR: so some places wayland is better designed.May 27 11:22
oiaohmMinceR: I do agree with you that wayland is still developing and it has possibility of being good due to design.   Remember X11 with the likes of cookie already had massive backdoors.May 27 11:25
oiaohmSo it should be possible with time to be better than X11 due to how much was wrong with it.May 27 11:26
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MinceRi wonder how will your idols try to force mutter on people before it's readyMay 27 12:37
MinceRit's not possible for it to be better than X11 if the people designing it do not understand X11May 27 12:37
MinceRif they'll just try to copy windows and macos, it won't ever be as good as X11May 27 12:37
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/8ixulCK.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/8ixulCK )May 27 12:45
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oiaohmMinceR: again here is a rant of like Microsoft or macos.  Neither of those are designed to a proper compositor restart.May 27 12:50
MinceRthey're also not designed to be flexible, or to give the user any sort of choiceMay 27 12:51
oiaohmMinceR: wayland lead developers are x.org ones.   May 27 12:51
MinceRexcept for Hobson's, of courseMay 27 12:51
MinceRyour favorite kindMay 27 12:51
oiaohmMinceR: no point here you again going off with baseless facts.May 27 12:51
MinceRyeah, i wonder if there are any x.org developers left who actually know and care about xMay 27 12:51
MinceRand are not just "free"desktop.org munchkins from red hatMay 27 12:52
oiaohmwayland is started as X12.May 27 12:52
oiaohmThat is to take X11 back to be simple again.May 27 12:52
oiaohmInstead of a stack of nightmare X11 had become.May 27 12:52
MinceRyet they were pushing it as an X replacement when it couldn't do pointer grabbing, pointer warping, server-side decorations and had the window manager merged into the display server and the GUI toolkitMay 27 12:52
MinceRthey kept insisting those things are unnecessaryMay 27 12:53
MinceRand "insecure"May 27 12:53
MinceRoh, also, screenshotsMay 27 12:53
MinceRwho the hell needs screenshots anyway...May 27 12:53
oiaohmHow they were implemented in X11 they were all wrong.May 27 12:53
oiaohmWayland developer built a solid core design then expanded from there.May 27 12:54
MinceRah, of course, how could i not know thatMay 27 12:54
oiaohmSo you are saying wayland developers should have started like systemd did.May 27 12:54
MinceRthe solution to something not being implemented correctly is, of course, to not implement it at all, anymoreMay 27 12:54
oiaohmWith every feature and 90 percent busted.May 27 12:54
MinceRnoMay 27 12:55
oiaohmthat is what you are saying.May 27 12:55
MinceRi'm saying that they should have started like systemd should have startedMay 27 12:55
oiaohmYou are saying they could not start of minimal.May 27 12:55
MinceRwith clear goals and making it clear that it isn't done until it's done.May 27 12:55
MinceRsystemd shouldn't have neglected making cgroups workMay 27 12:55
MinceRsince they rely on itMay 27 12:55
oiaohmwayland has had a stack of clear goals first started on the x.org x11 page.May 27 12:55
MinceRand it still doesn't work!May 27 12:55
MinceRso what?May 27 12:55
oiaohmwayland is not systemd.May 27 12:55
oiaohmDevelopment way different.May 27 12:56
MinceRredhat and m$ have already shown what can be done with infiltrating organizationsMay 27 12:56
MinceRentryism.May 27 12:56
oiaohmNo redhat either.May 27 12:56
oiaohmThe developers behind wayland core are not redhat.May 27 12:56
MinceRyeah, "free"desktop.org and gnome are not redhatMay 27 12:56
MinceRpay no attention to the man behind the curtainMay 27 12:56
oiaohmNot freedesktop either.May 27 12:56
oiaohmSo far nothing rightMay 27 12:56
MinceRalso, the fact that all implementations except kwin (and maybe that tiling wm i forgot the name of) won't do server-side decorations is also only a coincidenceMay 27 12:58
MinceRor that they all depend on logindMay 27 12:58
oiaohmtwo lines of incorrectMay 27 12:59
oiaohmCome on when will you get a single point correct.May 27 13:00
MinceR[citation needed]May 27 13:00
oiaohmThere are 4 wayland composistoers in existance with server side decorations.  Mind you 3 are used in cars.May 27 13:00
oiaohmEnlightenment wayland implementation include server side decorations and that is one you should know.May 27 13:02
oiaohmMinceR: and logind has nothing to-do with server-side decorations.May 27 13:02
MinceRyeahMay 27 13:02
MinceRit has to do with forcing systemd on peopleMay 27 13:02
MinceRanother malfeature you loveMay 27 13:02
oiaohmAgain wrong.May 27 13:03
oiaohmMinceR: I mostly pick on you for systemd because you have facts wrong not because I like it.May 27 13:03
oiaohmlogind before it was merged with system contained a idea that display server could avoid needing root privillage.May 27 13:04
MinceRwrong, i have the facts right, and you love systemdMay 27 13:04
MinceRooh, contained an ideaMay 27 13:04
oiaohmMinceR: then please explain why I pushed for debian to go openrc not systemd.May 27 13:05
MinceRand then you pretend the only way that "idea" could be implemented is by having a massive hairball in pid1May 27 13:05
MinceRrunning as rootMay 27 13:05
MinceRoiaohm: prove you pushed for that.May 27 13:05
MinceRnot that it mattered, the redhat munchkins in position simply pretended openrc doesn't even exist.May 27 13:05
oiaohmMinceR: it in the bug opened about debain init choice.May 27 13:05
oiaohmMinceR: it public record you are presuming things about me that are not fact.May 27 13:06
oiaohmJust like you do all the time.May 27 13:06
oiaohmAbout wayland about systemd about me you do the same crap all the time.May 27 13:06
MinceRyet you advertise systemd here every dayMay 27 13:06
MinceRlike they were paying you for itMay 27 13:06
oiaohmNo I don't.May 27 13:06
oiaohmI have never first raised the point of systemd.May 27 13:06
oiaohmhereMay 27 13:07
oiaohmeverMay 27 13:07
oiaohmIf anyone is paid it you who is paid to take anti redhat point of view spreading incorrect facts.May 27 13:07
MinceRgood thing you're here with your Alternative FactsMay 27 13:07
oiaohmMy stuff tracks to commit entries when stuff happened in otherwords the public record.May 27 13:08
oiaohmNot guess me stuff like you have been using.May 27 13:08
oiaohmwayland started on x.org then got moved by developer to freedesktop when it come clear that x.org accounting was in trouble.May 27 13:09
MinceRif only redhat cared half as much about software engineering as they care about the public recordMay 27 13:09
MinceRah yes, holy "free"desktop.org to the rescueMay 27 13:10
MinceRand then people wonder why it depends on cancerdMay 27 13:10
oiaohmwayland lead developer is paid for by universityMay 27 13:10
MinceRi wonder who pays the universityMay 27 13:10
oiaohmredhat has no power over him.May 27 13:10
oiaohmfrench government.May 27 13:10
MinceRBME had an entire department bought by m$May 27 13:10
oiaohmZero funds from redhat to that uni.May 27 13:10
oiaohmAlso here something else really nasty of course wayland is not going to depend on systemd.   The lead developer happens to be a core developer in freebsdMay 27 13:12
MinceRmaybe he's a True BelieverMay 27 13:12
MinceRso why do weston and mutter depend on cancerd?May 27 13:12
MinceRwill they port cancerd to freebsd too?May 27 13:12
oiaohmMinceR: weston does not.May 27 13:12
oiaohmMinceR: never has.May 27 13:13
oiaohmMinceR: again core wayland nothing redhat linked its you dream crap up.May 27 13:13
oiaohmmutter there is a redhat link there.May 27 13:13
MinceRoh, right, they depend on logind, which just happens to be a part of systemdMay 27 13:14
oiaohmMinceR: weston uses logind or freebsd alterantive to get graphical access.May 27 13:14
oiaohmMinceR: freebsd had a method for a while to have X11 runnign without root.May 27 13:14
MinceRthere you go, lying as usualMay 27 13:14
MinceRand accusing me of lyingMay 27 13:15
oiaohmMinceR: I am not lying it in the weston source codeMay 27 13:15
MinceRpretending one can have logind without systemdMay 27 13:15
MinceRwhen in fact, one can notMay 27 13:15
oiaohmweston does not need logind on bsd solution.May 27 13:15
MinceRthe bsd solution is unavailable on gnu/linux.May 27 13:15
oiaohmCorrect at long last point that is correct.May 27 13:16
oiaohmIt releated to how bsd is able to track services.May 27 13:16
oiaohmHow the tty is done.May 27 13:16
MinceRyou should take this talk to the court. i'm sure they'd appreciate it there.May 27 13:17
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oiaohmMinceR: everything that is wayland that need logind is not ported yet.May 27 13:22
oiaohmMinceR: so there is another method in wayland that works without logind for a large number of wayland compistors when not running as root.May 27 13:22
oiaohmMinceR: but that method is not part of Linux kernel.May 27 13:23
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oiaohmMinceR: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=login.conf  ever looked at how freebsd login system in fact works.May 27 13:37
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MinceRi don't really care, i'm not planning to use freebsdMay 27 13:38
oiaohmMinceR: it does not have logind but the login system can do lots of things like logind does in setup.  Like opening devices to limited applications of the user.May 27 13:38
MinceRdoes freebsd need to run a massive hairball in pid1 for it to work?May 27 13:39
oiaohmbsd kernels have a authenication system in kernel that the Linux kernel does not have instead.May 27 13:40
oiaohmMinceR: so PID  or IPC authenication system in kernel choose your poison.May 27 13:41
MinceRi wonder how openbsd does itMay 27 13:41
oiaohmThe sameMay 27 13:42
oiaohmits openbsd design.May 27 13:42
oiaohmSo there should be no need for logind in most cases on bsds due to the existing features in kernel.May 27 13:43
oiaohmThis is were you start getting into kernel dependant differences.  May 27 13:43
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cubexyzwell anyone can delve into the X11 code May 27 20:51
cubexyzand some of that code hasn't changed at all in many yearsMay 27 20:51
cubexyzjust last night I was looking at the old xpr utilityMay 27 20:52
cubexyzxpr-1.0.1May 27 20:52
cubexyzthere's also xdprMay 27 20:53
cubexyzdumps an X window directly to the printerMay 27 20:54
cubexyzstill works on DEC LA100 :)May 27 20:55
cubexyzhttps://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_X11May 27 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikibooks.org | Guide to X11 - Wikibooks, open books for an open worldMay 27 21:02
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/modelingMay 27 21:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Modeling [ http://ur1.ca/qxk3u ]May 27 21:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/868628052443447296May 27 21:22
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cubexyzfunnyMay 27 21:55
oiaohmcubexyz: it get scary when you start looking in the sections of the X11 server that have not been touched for 7+ years yet are in use every day of the week.May 27 21:55
oiaohmcubexyz: kind of hello bug central.May 27 21:56
cubexyzdo you see cubelog?May 27 21:56
cubexyzit's been running xchat for the last 400 daysMay 27 21:57
cubexyzso X can't be _that_ badMay 27 21:57
cubexyzI supposed if you really wanted to be strict you could run openbsd without X May 27 21:59
MinceRmany boxes do just thatMay 27 22:01
cubexyzalso on modern slack X runs as user not rootMay 27 22:04
cubexyzopenbsd does alsoMay 27 22:06
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cubexyzif xwayland worked as well as regular X11, I would consider using it on some machinesMay 27 22:29
cubexyzI probably will anyway... may as well see what's upMay 27 22:29
cubexyzbut most distros seem to still use X11, although I admit there's lots of them I've never triedMay 27 22:30
cubexyzsomeimes one has to backport thingsMay 27 22:31
cubexyzthere's a historical interest... what did the old software do? What got dropped?May 27 22:32
cubexyzmost of the X code is perservedMay 27 22:32
cubexyzpreservedMay 27 22:33
cubexyzI think X10R3 is the oldest I've looked atMay 27 22:33
cubexyzthat's 1986 eraMay 27 22:34
cubexyzuwm was introducedMay 27 22:34
cubexyzand I should note that there's two uwm'sMay 27 22:43
cubexyzthe original Ultrix Window Manager and the Universal Window ManagerMay 27 22:44
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cubexyzUltrix wm is probably not maintained nowMay 27 22:44
cubexyzah, now I rememberMay 27 22:46
cubexyzUltrix was up to X11R3May 27 22:46
cubexyzit was replaced by twmMay 27 22:47
cubexyzi'll do a quick recap:May 27 22:48
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/history-of-x.txtMay 27 22:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868660648493719552May 27 22:52
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/R3BlGAIdSI (tuxmachines.org)May 27 22:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #howto #gnu #linux #freesw #unixMay 27 22:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 27 22:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/R3BlGAIdSI #howto #gnu #linux #freesw #unix'May 27 22:52
liberty_boxMinceR, thanks for loggingMay 27 22:58
liberty_boxjust caught up with some links above (this is RIanne's laptop)May 27 22:58
MinceR:)May 27 23:02
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/R3BlGAIdSI #howto #gnu #linux #freesw #unix'May 27 23:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868664440471797760May 27 23:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Debian Installer "Stretch" and Debian 9.0 "Stretch"May 27 23:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Nearly Ready https://t.co/qD7T3dcr4x (tuxmachines.org)May 27 23:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #debian #gnu #linux #StretchMay 27 23:06
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oiaohmcubexyz: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Non_root_Xorg  there is a security problem here.   Non root xorg still end with input and screen open to all processes.   This is not good when you are attempting to protect password entry and other items like that.May 27 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.gentoo.org | Non root Xorg - Gentoo WikiMay 27 23:10
oiaohmcubexyz: X11 was not design with any of these security concepts in mind.May 27 23:11
cubexyzit seems like xwayland would have the same problem thenMay 27 23:19
oiaohmcubexyz: it does for the applications running inside the same xwayland instance.May 27 23:20
oiaohmcubexyz: the wayland compositor inside wayland system  ends up in control of input and screen direct interfaces passed can be passed over by filehandle by logind and there is different method on bsd and solaris. May 27 23:22
oiaohmcubexyz: so two pure wayland applications cannot go snooping on each other without the compositors permission.May 27 23:23
oiaohmThat is one of the big changes with the wayland design vs x11.May 27 23:23
cubexyzwhat if I was running two X servers on the same computer? could one X program look at the inputs on the other server?May 27 23:23
oiaohmcubexyz: current X11 servers at times yes.May 27 23:24
cubexyzwell, I guess for important stuff you'd be the only userMay 27 23:28
cubexyze.g. banking or government stuffMay 27 23:28
cubexyzjust don't use other computers for thatMay 27 23:28
cubexyzstill, it's good to be aware of these issuesMay 27 23:30
oiaohmhttp://www.mupuf.org/blog/2014/02/19/wayland-compositors-why-and-how-to-handle/  wayland is really designed to address the issues for X11 security.May 27 23:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wayland compositors - Why and how to Handle privileged clients! (Updated on the 2014/02/21) - mupuf.orgMay 27 23:30
oiaohmAddressing the security issues of X11 has required wayland to drop features for a while until they could work out how they could be implemented correctly.May 27 23:30
oiaohmAlso addressing the security issues of X11 has required updating the graphics drivers and input drivers.May 27 23:32
oiaohmthis kinda explains why wayland is taking like forever to land.   Fixing X11 faults is not easy.May 27 23:33
cubexyzI assume chromeos doesn't have these problems?May 27 23:35
oiaohmchanged to wayland fixs some problems.   Of course leaves the problem of doing most things in 1 application.May 27 23:36
oiaohmcubexyz: changing to wayland in chromeos to be exact.May 27 23:36
cubexyzactually I thought it used freonMay 27 23:36
cubexyzbut I'm not sureMay 27 23:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868664701982351360May 27 23:37
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TweetTuxMachines                 #debian #gnu #linux #StretchMay 27 23:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Debian Installer "Stretch" and Debian 9.0 "Stretch" Nearly Ready | Tux MachinesMay 27 23:37
cubexyzI guess old chromeos still used X11May 27 23:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868672396928077824May 27 23:38
TweetTuxMachines                 #FerenOS Could Be the Best-Looking Desktop on the MarketMay 27 23:38
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Saqgdz3LSi (tuxmachines.org)  #gnu #lnuxMay 27 23:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Feren OS Could Be the Best-Looking Desktop on the Market | Tux MachinesMay 27 23:38
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FerenOS Could Be the Best-Looking Desktop on the...'May 27 23:40
oiaohmfreon is a wayland compositor https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ARC-Wayland-Clients-ChromeOS  The android emulation for chromeos is also wayland.May 27 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Android Runtime On Chrome OS Makes Use Of Wayland - PhoronixMay 27 23:41
oiaohmcubexyz: so google dropped X11 and moved to wayland after starting freon with the possiblity of being a unique item.May 27 23:41
cubexyzit seems to be that wayland is actually running inside the browserMay 27 23:43
cubexyzchrome --enable-wayland-serverMay 27 23:44
cubexyzso I'm already using waylandMay 27 23:44
cubexyzon one computer at leastMay 27 23:45
oiaohmMost of X11 to wayland changes should not be that visual.May 27 23:48
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cubexyz6-bit character setsMay 21 00:00
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe it's just convinient to write it like "N"…May 21 00:00
cubexyz64 characters is all you need :)May 21 00:01
XRevan86http://german242.com/articles/suzdal/suzdal04.jpg another clockMay 21 00:01
XRevan86http://german242.com/articles/suzdal/suzdal_clock.htm I'll give the whole articleMay 21 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-german242.com | ????? ??? ? ???? [ http://ur1.ca/qwaxj ]May 21 00:03
XRevan86it has lots of illustrationsMay 21 00:03
cubexyz64 characters plus shift out, shift in May 21 00:03
XRevan86> ????? ??? ? ????May 21 00:03
XRevan86Who needs Unicode, amarait?May 21 00:03
cubexyzhaMay 21 00:03
XRevan86> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1251">May 21 00:03
XRevan86CP1251, nice.May 21 00:04
XRevan86I expected KOI8-R, oh well.May 21 00:04
cubexyzI see the N's May 21 00:04
cubexyznot letters, got it :)May 21 00:04
cubexyzIs it 12 o'clock or L o'clock? May 21 00:05
XRevan86ВІ o'clockMay 21 00:06
XRevan86vi o'clock :)May 21 00:07
XRevan86There's always vi o'clock somewhereMay 21 00:07
XRevan86:q!May 21 00:07
cubexyzsome of my friends don't like viMay 21 00:09
XRevan86Fun fact: some redundant Greek letters were kept in the Russian Cyrillic alphabet for a long while just for the numerals.May 21 00:09
MinceRindeedMay 21 00:09
MinceRalso in the greek alphabetMay 21 00:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866061358801969152May 21 00:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/I6Vw3K64U6May 21 00:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 00:09
TweetTuxMachines May 21 00:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 21 00:09
XRevan86MinceR: Huh, that makes sense :)May 21 00:10
cubexyzwhat letters are redundant?May 21 00:10
XRevan86let's see…May 21 00:10
MinceRgreek has digammaMay 21 00:11
XRevan86Ѕ, Ѳ, ѮMay 21 00:11
MinceRand koppa and sampiMay 21 00:11
XRevan86Ѱ, ѠMay 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866068383535480832May 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines                 OK, so wife woke up and is definitely eager to followMay 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines                 that idea of her posting the #gnu #linux things inMay 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines                 @tuxmachines while I do other stuffMay 21 00:11
TweetTuxMachines May 21 00:11
XRevan86(well, Ѳ is strictly speaking not redundant but in Cyrillic it meant the "f" sound, not "th")May 21 00:12
XRevan86There's no "th" in Slavic languages.May 21 00:12
cubexyzwe use theta in APL in some versionsMay 21 00:12
XRevan86cubexyz: The programming language?May 21 00:12
cubexyzyesMay 21 00:12
XRevan86Never heard of it…May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines@SleepyPenguin1  https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/866068921052540929May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines                 @schestowitz @tuxmachines Cor..... I didn't know you hadMay 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines                 a robot for that kind of thing as well ;)May 21 00:13
TweetTuxMachines May 21 00:13
cubexyzhttp://apl.maxhost.orgMay 21 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apl.maxhost.org | Info on Various APL ImplementationsMay 21 00:13
XRevan86theta is used in science stuff, so it makes senseMay 21 00:14
MinceRgreek theta, not russian theta :>May 21 00:14
MinceRs/russian/cyrillic/May 21 00:14
cubexyzI saved APL 1975 from extinction May 21 00:14
XRevan86MinceR: no wa~May 21 00:14
MinceR:)May 21 00:14
XRevan86MinceR: Next thing you'll say when people write "Г" in science they don't mean the Cyrillic "Г"May 21 00:16
cubexyzhaven't had the time to delve into the old unix stuff of lateMay 21 00:16
XRevan86and when "E" they don't mean the Cyrillic "EMay 21 00:16
cubexyzwell I don't :)May 21 00:17
XRevan86cubexyz: You don't say that? :)May 21 00:17
MinceRXRevan86: :)May 21 00:18
cubexyzI sometimes use epsilon, theta, iota, gamma and pi of courseMay 21 00:18
cubexyzand rhoMay 21 00:18
cubexyzand deltaMay 21 00:18
cubexyzall from APL thoughMay 21 00:19
XRevan86cubexyz: Are you sure you don't accidentally use Е, Ѳ, I, Г, П and Р? :PMay 21 00:19
MinceRmore crazy stuff >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_%28Cyrillic%29#Computing_codesMay 21 00:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | O (Cyrillic) - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/qwb0o ]May 21 00:19
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cubexyzcapital E and capital P sureMay 21 00:20
XRevan86and ДMay 21 00:20
XRevan86> CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ROUND OMEGAMay 21 00:20
XRevan86MinceR: I didn't know it's omega %)May 21 00:20
XRevan86always thought it's called "on"May 21 00:21
cubexyzif I had a proper APL keyboard I would type the symbol rather than the wordMay 21 00:21
MinceR:)May 21 00:21
cubexyzbut those things are expensiveMay 21 00:21
MinceRthe eyed versions are crazierMay 21 00:21
XRevan86May 21 00:22
XRevan86If I'd need a symbol for trypophobia, that would be the one.May 21 00:22
MinceR:>May 21 00:22
MinceRthe only mentions of "omega" i see there are about a variant versionMay 21 00:22
MinceRnot O itselfMay 21 00:22
MinceRѺMay 21 00:22
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_On found an article about itMay 21 00:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Broad On - WikipediaMay 21 00:23
XRevan86MinceR: My font shows this broad "on" more condensed than the non-broad one %)May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866069262225428480May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines                 @SleepyPenguin1 @tuxmachines Not a robot, it was me doingMay 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines                 itMay 21 00:26
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MinceR:)May 21 00:26
TweetTuxMachines@debexpert       https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/866072690829996032May 21 00:29
TweetTuxMachines                 @schestowitz @kaddourkardio @tuxmachines isn't beautifulMay 21 00:29
TweetTuxMachines                 guys? >> #SailfishOS https://t.co/hLVASS4kx2May 21 00:29
TweetTuxMachines May 21 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz @kaddourkardio @tuxmachines isn't beautiful guys? >> #SailfishOS https://t.co/hLVASS4kx2May 21 00:29
MinceRthat's right: it isn't.May 21 00:30
MinceRand it's less free than androidMay 21 00:30
MinceRand it has systemd and kdbusMay 21 00:30
XRevan86MinceR: So, you really believe Android is more free than systemd?May 21 00:32
XRevan86How contributor friendly is Android? How open is its development?May 21 00:32
cubexyzdid android always use systemd?May 21 00:33
XRevan86cubexyz: Never did, never will.May 21 00:33
cubexyzok, got confused there, sorry :)May 21 00:33
MinceRyesMay 21 00:34
MinceRafaik android is not obfuscatedMay 21 00:34
XRevan86How Android is being developed: Google makes stuff under closed-doors, then after they are done, releases the code.May 21 00:34
XRevan86MinceR: Android is the most obfuscated thing.May 21 00:35
MinceRhow Lendows is being developed: either red hat bigwigs or poettering himself makes up some unworkable bullshit behind closed doors, and then forces the code on everyone.May 21 00:35
XRevan86MinceR: "behind closed doors" means that you don't get to see the VCS.May 21 00:36
XRevan86Google just throws a tarball at you.May 21 00:37
XRevan86a very giant tarballMay 21 00:37
MinceRwhat are these, then? >> https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/q/status:openMay 21 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-android-review.googlesource.com | Gerrit Code ReviewMay 21 00:38
oiaohmMinceR:  answer these question what year did systemd start development with a open repository and what year did distributions start using it.May 21 00:38
MinceRoh no, i woke the red hat marketroidMay 21 00:38
cubexyzeasy, whatever year fedora 16 came outMay 21 00:39
oiaohmcubexyz: that is for when distribution started using it.   That not when repostory appeared.May 21 00:39
MinceRfedora 15 already came with cancerdMay 21 00:39
oiaohmMinceR: before that.May 21 00:39
cubexyzoh yeah could have been 15May 21 00:40
oiaohmMinceR: the repositry was open 12 months before a fedora contained it.May 21 00:40
cubexyzmay 2011 thenMay 21 00:40
MinceRoiaohm: and then it went on for years without becoming stableMay 21 00:40
XRevan86MinceR: Oh, not a tarball thenMay 21 00:41
MinceRbut that's fineMay 21 00:41
MinceRwho needs workable code when you already have hot air?May 21 00:41
oiaohmMinceR: the developed been closed doors claim does not hold up on systemd.May 21 00:41
oiaohmMinceR: quality issues do.May 21 00:41
XRevan86the developing stuff is still not there thoughMay 21 00:41
MinceRoiaohm: oh, whom did poettering consult when coming up with all that shit?May 21 00:41
MinceR"the systemd cabal" doesn't exactly call to mind a particularly community-oriented processMay 21 00:42
MinceRi certainly don't remember being asked whether i wanted the distro i relied on being shat all over and gradually turned into a windows cloneMay 21 00:42
oiaohmMinceR: also that gets intersting when you look at the first 5 developers before anyone was using systemd.May 21 00:42
MinceRbut here we areMay 21 00:42
XRevan86So, if I want to contribute to Android…May 21 00:42
oiaohmMinceR: Poettering was not the only developer and the developer were not all redhat.May 21 00:42
MinceRXRevan86: iirc repo has some mechanism to submit your code for code reviewMay 21 00:42
MinceRand if it passes that, it gets integratedMay 21 00:43
XRevan86MinceR: The current Android is just not there.May 21 00:43
MinceRbut i don't know how open they are to external contributionsMay 21 00:43
XRevan86The code is outdated.May 21 00:43
XRevan86What am I gonna do? Contribute to Kitkat and then tell everybody how helpful I was for Android?May 21 00:43
MinceRXRevan86: well, at least google isn't afraid of putting actual comments in their codeMay 21 00:44
*XRevan86 now looks at systemdMay 21 00:45
*XRevan86 sees comments.May 21 00:46
oiaohmMinceR: systemd repo opens 2010 the first fedora with it in repository is fedora 14  in 2011.   In that first 12 months you already have developers from debian and suse adding stuff.   Mostly because they could due to where they work sign Ubuntu CLA and add stuff to upstart.May 21 00:46
TweetTuxMachines@debexpert       https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/866073357669847040May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 .@kaddourkardio @schestowitz @tuxmachines ;)))))))May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 command line man! Those are phones for us :D #SailfishOSMay 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/wtFZGTsJ8aMay 21 00:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: .@kaddourkardio @schestowitz @tuxmachines ;))))))) command line man! Those are phones for us :D #SailfishOS https://t.co/wtFZGTsJ8aMay 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077839937765377May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 Windows Security Cannot be Blamed on "XP"May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/20H9Ja5GNL (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines May 21 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Windows Security Cannot be Blamed on "XP" | Tux MachinesMay 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077841405779968May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 OSS Leftovers https://t.co/CfTKDYxCwIMay 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 00:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077842521464832May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat Interviews https://t.co/2tq45f3zapMay 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 00:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Interviews | Tux MachinesMay 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077843586899968May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 KDE and GNOME News https://t.co/IlCAXN6vkoMay 21 00:47
oiaohmMinceR:  opps could not sign Ubuntu CLA to add stuff to upstart.May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines May 21 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE and GNOME News | Tux MachinesMay 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077844811636736May 21 00:47
TweetTuxMachines                 Gaming News https://t.co/gna2pi2RaZ (www.tuxmachines.org)May 21 00:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gaming News | Tux MachinesMay 21 00:47
MinceRadding stuff won't save upstart either, it's crapMay 21 00:47
MinceRjust not quite as crap as systemdMay 21 00:48
MinceRsure, it abuses signals and pthreads mindlesslyMay 21 00:48
MinceRbut at least it has a scopeMay 21 00:48
XRevan86a scope?May 21 00:48
oiaohmMinceR: there was a patch done for upstart that was refused to switch it to cgroups.May 21 00:48
MinceRXRevan86: a clearly defined purposeMay 21 00:49
oiaohmMinceR: more open developmenton upstart then systemd would have never existed.May 21 00:49
MinceRoiaohm: unsurprising, considering that cgroups aren't done yetMay 21 00:49
XRevan86MinceR: To boot Ubuntu?May 21 00:49
MinceRXRevan86: manage services and reap zombiesMay 21 00:50
MinceRpresumably also boot and shutdownMay 21 00:50
XRevan86and show fsck progress in plymouthMay 21 00:50
MinceRisn't that plymouth's job?May 21 00:50
XRevan86MinceR: Upstart did that somehowMay 21 00:51
XRevan86and required plymouth as a resultMay 21 00:51
XRevan86I was very impressed to see Ubuntu Server with plymouthMay 21 00:51
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MinceRlolMay 21 00:51
XRevan86(there was no way to get rid of it)May 21 00:51
MinceRwell, these lamers raised on windows probably shit their pants in fear if they see a text mode consoleMay 21 00:52
oiaohmMinceR: upstart is crap in different ways to systemd.May 21 00:52
cubexyzI should point out that we don't really have text mode these daysMay 21 00:52
cubexyzeven the console uses a graphics modeMay 21 00:52
cubexyzyou'd need a serial terminal for true text modeMay 21 00:53
XRevan86MinceR: Upstart just can't live without Plymouth.May 21 00:53
MinceRoiaohm: yeahMay 21 00:53
oiaohmMinceR: also systemd collection of project into its own tells a scary story.   Of projects with only 1 maintain and no time to process CVE bugs.May 21 00:54
MinceRfailing at its job due to using signals and ptrace for something that is not their purposeMay 21 00:54
MinceRinstead of failing at its job due to using cgroups and trying to do everything before they get even that rightMay 21 00:54
XRevan86MinceR: Upstart also has an integration with dconf. Nifty.May 21 00:54
MinceRoiaohm: ooh, more excusesMay 21 00:54
MinceRoiaohm: can you show me where i asked for excuses?May 21 00:54
MinceRooh, dconfMay 21 00:54
oiaohmMinceR: no that is not an excuseMay 21 00:54
oiaohmMinceR: how many open CVE were in udev before it merged into systemd?May 21 00:55
oiaohmMinceR: Open of more than 2 years.May 21 00:55
oiaohmMinceR: 12 in fact.  This becomes a very big scary story.May 21 00:56
MinceRoiaohm: talk to me about CVEs when cancerd doesn't go into "stable" distro releases with null pointer dereferences all over itMay 21 00:56
oiaohmSomething had to change in the way a lot of these projects were maintained.May 21 00:56
MinceRobviously, the solution was to merge them into the most hostile project in historyMay 21 00:56
MinceRwhich is managed under the CADT modelMay 21 00:57
MinceRwhich is just the thing you need for securityMay 21 00:57
oiaohmBy merging they got a bigger security team with more maitainers approved to-do the stuff.May 21 00:57
MinceRkeeping bugs in your bug tracker for years, then mass deleting them because you rewrote the whole thing makes stuff oh so secureMay 21 00:57
oiaohmAnd the fix rate on CVE has reduced to under 3 months.May 21 00:57
MinceRwhat sort of security team do they have?May 21 00:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866077846220845056May 21 00:57
TweetTuxMachines                 today's leftovers https://t.co/lUZTLQqvWDMay 21 00:57
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MinceRwhat sort of "security team" approves the sort of messy shit that is systemd?May 21 00:58
oiaohmMinceR: general bugs I wish systemd had the same fix speed.May 21 00:58
MinceRmaybe it would, if it had a scopeMay 21 00:58
MinceRand they focused on making service management work instead of reimplementing the whole userspaceMay 21 00:58
cubexyzI made more progress trying to compile apl.75 for Unix v5May 21 00:59
cubexyzsometimes I get too tired to work on it :-/May 21 00:59
oiaohmMinceR: most of the merges into systemd happened because they were worried about secure service management found faults reported then worked out the maintainer did not have the time or the resources to fix them.May 21 01:00
MinceRapparently they don't have the time or the resources to do everything they want inside systemd eitherMay 21 01:00
cubexyznone of us are really systemd people though yes?May 21 01:00
MinceRoiaohm seems to beMay 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/866080516776144898May 21 01:01
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MinceRlately all of his activity is shilling systemdMay 21 01:01
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TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866081432585752582May 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Still thinking hard how to manage news postings aboutMay 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxMay 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Maybe something along the lines of RTing @tuxmachines onMay 21 01:01
TweetTuxMachines                 it all?May 21 01:01
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oiaohmMinceR: systemd has merged a huge stack of under resourced projects.    This creates 1 project under resourced.May 21 01:01
MinceRand conveniently creates tight coupling between what used to be independent projectsMay 21 01:02
MinceRthe better to force that NSA backdoor on youMay 21 01:03
MinceRapparently having an NSA backdoor is now "security"May 21 01:03
oiaohmMinceR: funny part is most of the projects that were merged in systemd will still build as inpendent parts.May 21 01:03
MinceRthey just won't run?May 21 01:03
MinceRwhat a reliefMay 21 01:03
cubexyzcan't believe distrowatch has reactos higher than slackwareMay 21 01:03
oiaohmMinceR: run perfectly.May 21 01:03
MinceRit's not like i ever wanted my software to runMay 21 01:03
MinceRwhat's reactos doing on distrowatch?May 21 01:03
oiaohmMinceR: evdev that is a fork off of udev in system all they did was strip away all the other systemd parts and set make file to make udev.May 21 01:04
MinceRwell, i guess if systemd/Linux fits there then so does reactosMay 21 01:04
oiaohmMinceR: no source modifications.May 21 01:04
XRevan86Why there's no Windows on distrowatch?May 21 01:04
MinceRoiaohm: no, that's eudevMay 21 01:04
MinceRoiaohm: and they actually had to do work on itMay 21 01:04
cubexyzreactos is still a distro I guessMay 21 01:04
MinceRoiaohm: evdev is an entirely other piece of softwareMay 21 01:04
MinceRreactos is a windows nt reimplementationMay 21 01:04
XRevan86A distro of Wine? :)May 21 01:04
MinceRa more honest one, at thatMay 21 01:05
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MinceRit's a somewhat terrifying idea that to some people "security" means a constantly churning massive hairball of baroque softwareMay 21 01:07
MinceRthey probably don't even know what "hardening" or "separation of concerns" areMay 21 01:07
cubexyzwell "make every program a filter" certainly seem to have went out the window :)May 21 01:11
MinceRfunny oiaohm should pick udev to try and prove that systemd components are independent of systemdMay 21 01:11
MinceRhttps://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.htmlMay 21 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loaderMay 21 01:11
MinceR>we willMay 21 01:11
MinceRnot support non-systemd systems with udev anymore starting at thatMay 21 01:11
MinceRpoint. Gentoo folks, this is your wakeup call.May 21 01:11
MinceR"run perfectly", he saysMay 21 01:12
MinceRpoppycock.May 21 01:12
cubexyzI still use pre-udev systemsMay 21 01:16
cubexyznot sure if there's any modern distro that does thoughMay 21 01:16
MinceRi still have a version of udev poettering didn't shit all overMay 21 01:16
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/TimberGhost7/status/866082403261050880May 21 01:17
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TweetTuxMachines @TimberGhost7   #gnu #linuxMay 21 01:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Maybe something along the lines of RTing @tuxmachines onMay 21 01:17
TweetTuxMachines                 it all?May 21 01:17
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cubexyzdidn't they merge udev with systemd? May 21 01:18
cubexyzkind of forced on everybodyMay 21 01:18
cubexyzmaybe that's wrong May 21 01:19
MinceRthey moved udev into the systemd project, claiming that it will still support usage without systemdMay 21 01:19
MinceRhttp://archive.is/pxRdYMay 21 01:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | The future of the udev source treeMay 21 01:20
MinceRthey waited a little more than 2 years to admit that this was a lieMay 21 01:20
MinceRbut apparently some people still blindly trust poettering and his cultMay 21 01:20
cubexyzI think you could build a linux without udev thoughMay 21 01:20
cubexyzif you really wanted toMay 21 01:21
MinceRi think i could also switch to netbsd or openbsd or dragonflybsdMay 21 01:21
cubexyzsure, I'm on openbsd right nowMay 21 01:21
cubexyzwith LFS you could build whatever you want I thinkMay 21 01:24
oiaohmMinceR: yet 3 years latter patches are going into systemd for building udev independently May 21 01:25
oiaohmMinceR: problem is your statements don't line up to the commit history.May 21 01:25
cubexyzBLFS book shows a way to build all devices as staticMay 21 01:25
cubexyzof course with the BSDs you avoid systemd and udevMay 21 01:26
MinceRwith at least one of them, you get launchd insteadMay 21 01:26
MinceRwhich is almost as cancerousMay 21 01:26
cubexyzif I write anything I test on openbsd as well as linuxMay 21 01:26
MinceRi wonder how will redhat/microsoft try to kill off the BSD-sMay 21 01:27
MinceRmaybe just close the last door in uefi and make them unbootable on uefi appliancesMay 21 01:27
oiaohmMinceR: redhat does not have to.   Look what happen to freebsd with playstation 3May 21 01:27
oiaohmMinceR: lot of parties will use BSD and then submit absolutely nothing back.May 21 01:28
MinceRoiaohm: that has so far failed to kill bsdMay 21 01:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/866088156776484864May 21 01:28
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oiaohmMinceR: it has meant that BSD is always suffering from poorer hardware support.May 21 01:28
MinceRour hardware is turning to shit anywayMay 21 01:28
cubexyzthe classic computing folks are still using PDP-11s so of course BSD is going to survive May 21 01:29
MinceRwe have uefi, intel boot guard, intel me, amd pspMay 21 01:29
cubexyzyou could run openbsd on chromebook evenMay 21 01:29
oiaohmTo be truthful I like arm psp where it a arm chip and you can decomplier what in heck it coded todo.May 21 01:30
oiaohmamd psp not arm psp.May 21 01:30
MinceRmaybe they'll put some sort of DRM in drivers so even if you had full specs to the hw, you can't write a driver for it unless you decap all the dies and find the secret keysMay 21 01:30
cubexyzI like BSD a lot, but for old loki games and old LGP games I'm going to use old LinuxMay 21 01:30
MinceRi'd prefer not having to decompileMay 21 01:30
cubexyzcan't use BSD for everythingMay 21 01:30
MinceRi'll have to try and build an FPGA-based computerMay 21 01:31
oiaohmMinceR: compared to intel ME that is basically hey we make our own custom instruction sets.May 21 01:31
oiaohmMinceR: we already have signed firmware.   That is holding DRM in the likes of Nvidia video cards.May 21 01:32
cubexyzopencores guarantees the survival of old BSD on FPGAMay 21 01:32
MinceRoiaohm: at least that runs on the hwMay 21 01:33
cubexyzas I said before, there's no doomsday scenario where M$ takes over everythingMay 21 01:33
MinceRthere indeed is oneMay 21 01:33
MinceRm$ and/or crApple already have backdoored the entire IT infrastructure of at least one stateMay 21 01:33
oiaohmMinceR: no there is not hardware vendors are not interested in keeping on paying Microsoft either.May 21 01:33
oiaohmMinceR: google could do a doomsday.May 21 01:34
MinceRleaders of nazi hungary gloated about writing the text of laws on computers that crApple has root on and they do notMay 21 01:34
cubexyzok... the slackware peeps have a good text file about UEFI:May 21 01:37
oiaohmMinceR: https://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2017/05/03/a-free-upgrade-to-windows-10-pro-might-make-windows-s-laptops-worth-buying/   Of course they miss that Microsoft has had to give Windows S to hardware vendors for nothing.May 21 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | A free upgrade to Windows 10 Pro might make Windows S laptops worth buyingMay 21 01:37
cubexyzhttp://bear.alienbase.nl/mirrors/slackware/slackware64-14.2/README_UEFI.TXTMay 21 01:37
MinceRa "free" "upgrade"May 21 01:37
MinceRfinally we have malware that can be "upgraded" "freely"!May 21 01:37
oiaohmMinceR: yep for school students to keep Microsoft in schools.May 21 01:37
oiaohmMicrosoft is making a stack of different losses to maintain it position.May 21 01:38
oiaohmAnd those lose ammounts are increasing every year.May 21 01:38
MinceRand all of those losses are oursMay 21 01:38
MinceRthey forced us to buy TPMs in our business laptopsMay 21 01:38
MinceRthey forced UEFI into our PCsMay 21 01:38
MinceRthey forced Restricted Boot into our PCsMay 21 01:38
MinceRthey forced their formats onto citizens by corrupting governmentsMay 21 01:39
MinceRthey forced their products on studentsMay 21 01:39
oiaohmThing to remember Microsoft has to get income to operate.   So it has to recover money from somewhere.May 21 01:41
MinceRand so they have patent trollingMay 21 01:41
MinceRand they have masses of people indoctrinated into microsoft crapMay 21 01:41
oiaohmWhy there were so many places still running XP because those were areas where Microsoft wants to get paid.May 21 01:41
MinceRno, that's because vista and later versions are somehow even more atrocious than xpMay 21 01:42
MinceRsomehow microsoft and apple always manages to find a way to make their products even shittierMay 21 01:42
MinceRapparently the great potential in humanity is to find ways to make extremely shitty things even shittierMay 21 01:42
MinceRsomehow the bkk ticket vending machines detect whether you want to do something with the transaction you started but did not finish -- if you wanted to do something, they forget all the data immediatelyMay 21 01:43
MinceRbut if you walk off, it stays there foreverMay 21 01:43
cubexyzthere's air gapped XP nowMay 21 01:44
cubexyze.g. games May 21 01:44
cubexyzno wifi no internetMay 21 01:44
MinceRit also has a broken banknote scanner, a broken qr code scanner, a touchscreen that doesn't work and it also can't do bank transactions properlyMay 21 01:44
MinceRwindows needs one more air gap, at the power supplyMay 21 01:44
cubexyzdon't look at me dude, I don't give M$ one cent :)May 21 01:45
MinceRand the people who force this shit on me also need an air gap in their food and water supplyMay 21 01:45
MinceRwhat used to be the most prestigious university in hungary now routinely tries to turn its students into vassals of microsoftMay 21 01:46
oiaohmcubexyz: yep do note that apples EFI is that far broken installing another OS can brick it.May 21 01:46
MinceRsamsung also developed a self-bricking uefi implementationMay 21 01:47
oiaohmMinceR: that one was impressive.May 21 01:47
MinceRindeedMay 21 01:47
oiaohmMinceR: no OS required.May 21 01:47
MinceRwell, uefi is an OS unto itselfMay 21 01:48
oiaohmMinceR: and thinking they started with the intel reference UEFI implementation that worked.May 21 01:48
MinceR"worked"May 21 01:48
cubexyzyou could KO the UEFI and switch to corebootMay 21 01:48
MinceRyou couldMay 21 01:48
oiaohmMinceR: ie did not kill self.May 21 01:48
MinceRif intel didn't sabotage competition with boot guardMay 21 01:48
MinceRmicrosoft has vassals in governments all over the word that ensures they can get money robbed from taxpayers sent to them any timeMay 21 01:50
cubexyzSony was bad axing OtherOS optionMay 21 01:52
MinceRindeedMay 21 01:52
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cubexyzI was sorry to see that... then the federal judge dismisses the lawsuitMay 21 01:52
MinceRbut it was of no use to them once they managed to get the suckers to pay for their shitty consoles expecting to run a real OS on themMay 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/866093520959881221May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Still thinking hard how to manage news postings aboutMay 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup  #gnu #linuxMay 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Maybe something along the lines of RTing @tuxmachines onMay 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines                 it all?May 21 01:52
TweetTuxMachines May 21 01:52
MinceRi missed thatMay 21 01:52
MinceRso i guess there are no "truth in advertisement" laws in effect in the usa anymoreMay 21 01:53
MinceRjust like there are no antitrust laws that are enforcedMay 21 01:53
cubexyzyou still can use OtherOS on early PlayStation 3'sMay 21 01:53
cubexyzjust not newer onesMay 21 01:53
MinceRuntil you use PSNMay 21 01:53
MinceRwhich will then "upgrade" the system to break OtherOSMay 21 01:54
cubexyzsony was weird... they actually had a PS2 Linux kitMay 21 01:54
MinceRi wonder if they broke that tooMay 21 01:54
oiaohmMinceR: the PS2 kit still works.May 21 01:55
cubexyzSony gave $55 to OtherOS users in a settlementMay 21 01:56
MinceR>                        If you are using an Apple Intel Mac, DO NOT TRY TOMay 21 01:58
MinceR> INSTALL A MENU ENTRY!  It would probably brick your firmware requiring AppleMay 21 01:58
MinceR> to service the machine to reflash the firmware.May 21 01:58
MinceRah yes, the famous apple "quality"May 21 01:58
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TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost  #gnu #linuxMay 21 02:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Maybe something along the lines of RTing @tuxmachines onMay 21 02:46
TweetTuxMachines                 it all?May 21 02:46
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cubexyzI can build APL\11 1976 edition on Unix v6May 21 05:24
cubexyzthe simplest way to get programs into this version is to look at old APL\360 codeMay 21 05:40
cubexyzI got some code here from 1976 or 1977 but I haven't managed to get it to workMay 21 05:41
cubexyzit's a real bother but I've started suffixing the APL programs with the yearMay 21 05:44
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cubexyzah, glorious progress :)May 21 06:23
cubexyzdidn't help that there was no documentationMay 21 06:24
cubexyzthis is actual 1975 APL code May 21 06:25
cubexyzpretty hard to decipherMay 21 06:26
cubexyzat least I know what it is nowMay 21 06:26
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/apl-1975-decimal-to-hex.txtMay 21 06:26
cubexyzso to use it is dth followed by the decimal number you want converted to hexMay 21 06:27
cubexyze.g. dth 10 returns 0000000aMay 21 06:28
cubexyzstill not sure what the other programs doMay 21 06:29
cubexyzexcept that htd converts hex to decimalMay 21 06:30
cubexyzwith htd it is necessary to bracket the argument with K'sMay 21 06:39
cubexyzso:May 21 06:39
cubexyzhtd K100K returns 256 as expectedMay 21 06:39
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Arduino shows off LoRa gateway and node shieldsMay 21 10:35
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TweetTuxMachines                 NHS mulling Ubuntu switch after Windows XP fail?May 21 10:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixelnull: This gif of Bannon scared to death is now my favorite thing on the internet. https://t.co/zLUsJJAEoaMay 21 16:32
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TweetTuxMachines                 Getting Free Software into our users’ handsMay 21 17:26
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