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*TweetTuxMachines @Grigortw favourited '#RaspberryPi Foundation's #Raspbian OS to Soon Be Rebased...'Jun 25 00:00
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited '#RedHat Profit Climbs 10% https://t.co/w2rzLiFza9 #gnu #linux...'Jun 25 00:00
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited 'Flirting With #RedHat and #Fedora #Games Spin 25...'Jun 25 00:00
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited '#GNOME Improvements, Performance Improvements Included https://t.co/5v4bLC6sJU #gnu...'Jun 25 00:00
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited '#Canonical Releases #Snapcraft 2.32 to Support ROS Lunar...'Jun 25 00:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Improvements, Performance Improvements Included | Tux MachinesJun 25 00:00
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited '#Linux #Kernel Articles at #LWN (Paywall Expired) ...'Jun 25 00:00
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited '#Linux 4.11.7 and more https://t.co/axKTE1aU4G #kernel #programming #gpl'Jun 25 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.11.7 | Tux MachinesJun 25 00:06
cubexyzhaJun 25 00:24
cubexyzin the movie Snowden smuggles a microSD card via rubik's cubeJun 25 00:25
cubexyzI wonder if he really did thatJun 25 00:25
cubexyzmaybe Snowden could score me some Dell BIOS source codeJun 25 00:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/scas/status/878826538950684672Jun 25 00:28
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #RaspberryPi Foundation's #Raspbian OS to Soon Be RebasedJun 25 00:28
TweetTuxMachines @scas           on #Debian 9 "Stretch"Jun 25 00:28
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/AN775XmCMI (www.tuxmachines.org) #raspiJun 25 00:28
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #gnuJun 25 00:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi Foundation's Raspbian OS to Soon Be Rebased on Debian 9 "Stretch" | Tux MachinesJun 25 00:28
cubexyzand it seems Snowden BSed a bit about his resumeJun 25 00:28
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oiaohmcubexyz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWDuzOtpBiw  Jun 25 02:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Many microSD Cards Fit in a Rubik's Cube? - YouTubeJun 25 02:41
DaemonFChttps://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg2540934.htmlJun 25 02:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.spinics.net | Re: [vs-plain] Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas — Linux Kernel [ http://ur1.ca/r25ig ]Jun 25 02:56
DaemonFClolJun 25 02:56
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DaemonFChttp://ijbswa.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/ijbswa/current/acconfig.h?revision=1.48&view=markupJun 25 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ijbswa.cvs.sourceforge.net | SourceForge.net Repository - [ijbswa] Contents of /current/acconfig.h [ http://ur1.ca/r25wl ]Jun 25 03:39
DaemonFCDitch FEATURE_IMAGE_DETECT_MSIEJun 25 03:39
DaemonFCIt's an obsolete workaround we inherited from JunkbusterJun 25 03:40
DaemonFCand was already disabled by default.Jun 25 03:40
DaemonFCUsers that feel the urge to work around issues withJun 25 03:40
DaemonFCimage requests coming from an Internet Explorer versionJun 25 03:40
DaemonFCfrom more than 15 years ago can still do this using tags.Jun 25 03:40
DaemonFCLOL!Jun 25 03:40
DaemonFC" * BEOS does not currently support POSIX threads."Jun 25 03:41
DaemonFCI think that it still doesn't. :)Jun 25 03:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/878887687561904128Jun 25 04:11
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    OSS LeftoversJun 25 04:11
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/xpqhhtGgt6 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 25 04:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 25 04:11
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schestowitz[05:25] <cubexyz> I wonder if he really did thatJun 25 04:18
schestowitzI think they just identified in him the mall or whatever in HK this wayJun 25 04:19
schestowitzI don't think he used it to smuggle the dataJun 25 04:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/878888241629364224Jun 25 04:20
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Microsoft #Openwashing and SpinJun 25 04:20
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/0pNkFErKNh (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 25 04:20
TweetTuxMachines Jun 25 04:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Openwashing and Spin | Tux MachinesJun 25 04:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/878890534739300352Jun 25 04:22
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #FreeBSD 11.1 BETA3Jun 25 04:22
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/Bq0zzizYwA (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unixJun 25 04:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 11.1 BETA3 | Tux MachinesJun 25 04:22
schestowitzhttps://framapiaf.org/users/DanielVerite/updates/101498Jun 25 04:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-framapiaf.org | FramapiafJun 25 04:23
schestowitz"https://framapiaf.org/users/DanielVerite/updates/101498"Jun 25 04:23
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/878891113284870145Jun 25 04:24
schestowitztechrights blocked in some places in France?Jun 25 04:24
TweetTuxMachines                 The account @tuxmachines in #mastodon got more followersJun 25 04:24
TweetTuxMachines                 in 3 months than it got in #twitter in 3 yearsJun 25 04:24
TweetTuxMachines                 Twitter is crap. It's the old tech.Jun 25 04:24
TweetTuxMachines Jun 25 04:24
schestowitz" Comparing to another traceroute that succeeds, I suspect it's the final node (204.68.122.43) that filters me out when I come from  176.182.10.*"Jun 25 04:25
schestowitzhttp://www.ip-tracker.org/locator/ip-lookup.php?ip=Tuxmachines.orgJun 25 04:26
schestowitzWeird...Jun 25 04:26
schestowitzso maybe it's our side...Jun 25 04:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tuxmachines.org - American Internet Services, LLC. In San Diego United States | IP-Tracker.org Lookup Locator [ http://ur1.ca/r26a4 ]Jun 25 04:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/878891796499189761Jun 25 04:32
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Links 24/6/2017: GNOME Music Improves, FreeBSD 11.1 BetaJun 25 04:32
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    3 https://t.co/3Xvdbb0CsP (techrights.org)Jun 25 04:32
TweetTuxMachines Jun 25 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 24/6/2017: GNOME Music Improves, FreeBSD 11.1 Beta 3 | TechrightsJun 25 04:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/878893513139785728Jun 25 04:54
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Freedom vs Free vs OpenJun 25 04:54
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/rseNX04XNS (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeeswJun 25 04:54
TweetTuxMachines Jun 25 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Freedom vs Free vs Open | Tux MachinesJun 25 04:54
*TweetTuxMachines @reddish2 favourited '#Freedom vs Free vs Open https://t.co/rseNX04XNS #freeesw...'Jun 25 05:01
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/esme35975435/status/878901000018337792Jun 25 05:26
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    The account @tuxmachines in #mastodon got more followersJun 25 05:26
TweetTuxMachines @esme35975435   in 3 months than it got in #twitter in 3 yearsJun 25 05:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Twitter is crap. It's the old tech.Jun 25 05:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/878907235098927105Jun 25 05:29
TweetTuxMachines                 #Microsoft Breaches and Their ImpactJun 25 05:29
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/XLCgnn7Yyk (www.tuxmachines.org) #securityJun 25 05:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Breaches and Their Impact | Tux MachinesJun 25 05:29
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Microsoft Breaches and Their Impact https://t.co/XLCgnn7Yyk #security...'Jun 25 06:06
TweetTuxMachines@vinumrioja      https://twitter.com/vinumrioja/status/878918644985737217Jun 25 06:12
TweetTuxMachines                 The latest VinumRioja! https://t.co/0QDegRz07K (paper.li)Jun 25 06:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Thanks to @lavozdetarija @comprar_vino @tuxmachines #wineJun 25 06:12
TweetTuxMachines                 #vinoJun 25 06:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | VinumRiojaJun 25 06:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/878918726262849536Jun 25 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Essential Applications for GNU/Linux UsersJun 25 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/4OpeQrdE7Q (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 25 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 25 06:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Essential Applications for GNU/Linux Users | Tux MachinesJun 25 06:16
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Essential Applications for GNU/Linux Users https://t.co/4OpeQrdE7Q #gnu #linux...'Jun 25 06:24
*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited '#DebianEdu 9 "Stretch" Released as a Complete GNU/Linux...'Jun 25 06:40
*TweetTuxMachines @topnotifier favourited '#Distro Reviews: #PuppyLinux #Slacko, #ArcaOS, #Wifislax, #PeppermintOS, and...'Jun 25 06:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/878929901260353536Jun 25 07:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Liri – Loves me, loves me not … at allJun 25 07:01
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/hTOmJWeJV3 (www.tuxmachines.org) #liri #gnuJun 25 07:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #freeswJun 25 07:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Liri – Loves me, loves me not … at all | Tux MachinesJun 25 07:01
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Liri – Loves me, loves me not …...'Jun 25 07:03
*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited 'Desktop: #PopcornLinux, #Purism, Distro Hopping, #System76, and 2017...'Jun 25 07:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Theresa and her BFF across the Atlantic...'Jun 25 07:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn Theresa and her BFF across...'Jun 25 07:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/878934886446399488Jun 25 07:18
TweetTuxMachines                 #Debian 9 Review: Stable Like Ever, Better Than MostJun 25 07:18
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/8iDcdDoQmr (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 25 07:18
TweetTuxMachines                 review.Jun 25 07:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 9 Review: Stable Like Ever, Better Than Most | Tux MachinesJun 25 07:18
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian 9 Review: Stable Like Ever, Better Than...'Jun 25 08:02
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump her team also propped you up, based...'Jun 25 08:04
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump If it wasn't for HRC's bad taste,...'Jun 25 08:08
*TweetTuxMachines @topnotifier favourited 'Swimming with #SharkLinux https://t.co/NZBKaJFq0x #gnu #linux'Jun 25 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20170619#sharklinux )Jun 25 08:08
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump @foxandfriends Rupert Murdoch loves you. One billionaire...'Jun 25 08:34
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Respect is worship War is peace Assassination...'Jun 25 08:45
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Respect is worship War is...'Jun 25 08:59
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks He keeps choosing decent publications to put...'Jun 25 09:39
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/69cp2Q1Jun 25 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sunlight through a tree during an eclipse - ImgurJun 25 11:05
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/geek-sleepingJun 25 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Geek-SleepingJun 25 11:24
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/YqOPjl7Jun 25 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Meirl - ImgurJun 25 11:38
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks He keeps choosing decent publications...'Jun 25 11:40
schestowitznice!Jun 25 11:59
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/hN4YXJun 25 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kamehamehaaa! - Album on ImgurJun 25 12:00
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MinceRhttps://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/06/msg00308.htmlJun 25 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org | [WARNING] Intel Skylake/Kaby Lake processors: broken hyper-threadingJun 25 13:06
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/SqNCHJun 25 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-THIS IS CHILDREN'S PROGRAMMING - Album on ImgurJun 25 13:46
MinceRhttps://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/06/australia-to-target-encrypted-messaging-apps-at-upcoming-security-meeting/Jun 25 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Australia advocates weakening strong crypto at upcoming “Five Eyes” meeting | Ars TechnicaJun 25 14:01
schestowitzseen itJun 25 14:08
schestowitztypical fieve eyesJun 25 14:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879040243931938816Jun 25 14:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Today in Techrights https://t.co/X2EAU6IHawJun 25 14:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 25 14:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJun 25 14:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879045294087864321Jun 25 14:37
TweetTuxMachines                 #KDE: #KStars, #Qt in #Debian, #KDE #Plasma 5 RegionalJun 25 14:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Settings Format, #Krita and More #GSoC WorkJun 25 14:37
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/cqdDL67KdD (www.tuxmachines.org) #googleJun 25 14:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: KStars, Qt in Debian, KDE Plasma 5 Regional Settings Format, Krita and More GSoC Work | Tux MachinesJun 25 14:37
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-last-oneJun 25 14:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The Last OneJun 25 14:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879045740907180032Jun 25 14:54
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #KDE: #KStars, #Qt in #Debian, #KDE #Plasma 5 RegionalJun 25 14:54
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Settings Format, #Krita and More #GSoC WorkJun 25 14:54
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/cqdDL67KdD (www.tuxmachines.org) #googleJun 25 14:54
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*TweetTuxMachines @HamishTMB favourited '#RaspberryPi Foundation's #Raspbian OS to Soon Be Rebased...'Jun 25 14:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/HamishTMB/status/879050071408599040Jun 25 14:54
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #RaspberryPi Foundation's #Raspbian OS to Soon Be RebasedJun 25 14:54
TweetTuxMachines @HamishTMB      on #Debian 9 "Stretch"Jun 25 14:54
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/AN775XmCMI (www.tuxmachines.org) #raspiJun 25 14:54
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #gnuJun 25 14:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi Foundation's Raspbian OS to Soon Be Rebased on Debian 9 "Stretch" | Tux MachinesJun 25 14:54
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DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/959410-debian-warns-of-hyper-threading-issue-with-intel-sky-kaby-lake-cpus?p=959465#post959465Jun 25 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Debian Warns Of Hyper Threading Issue With Intel Sky/Kaby Lake CPUs - Phoronix ForumsJun 25 15:07
DaemonFC"More like dangerous to run Debian. You're telling me that I'm supposed to run this crap on a production system and disable one of the biggest perks of having a Core i7? HAHA! No. Their refusal to ship device firmware is really stupid. The whole reason we have firmware is to avoid precisely this kind of situation.Jun 25 15:07
DaemonFCBack in the 90s when Intel processors didn't have replaceable firmware, things like the Pendtium FDIV and F00F bugs required removing the processor and sending it to Intel for a replacement.Jun 25 15:07
DaemonFCThe processors that misbehave under Debian won't misbehave under Fedora, because Fedora ships and updates linux-firmware quite often. Also, my wifi works.Jun 25 15:08
DaemonFCIt's funny how Debian goes to all this trouble to be "Free", but then they package things like Widevine, Flash, RAR, etc. and just say that it's not officially part of Debian. The FSF has Debian on the non-recommended list of distributions even though Debian policy makes it much harder than necessary to set your computer up properly and most people end up figuring out a way to get the firmware anyway because they have devices that don't Jun 25 15:08
DaemonFCwork without it. There is no functional difference, spare a little disk space used, of making available and pre-installing the firmware, since if you don't have the device, it will never get loaded, and few (if any) users want their computer to be non-functional in some way if it's missing.Jun 25 15:08
DaemonFCFedora is actually more Free by the FSF's own guidelines than Debian is. While Fedora ships firmware, the FSF would declare Debian non-Free for suggesting the firmware or making it available, which it does, but Fedora does not suggest, pre-install, or make available the non-Free software that is hosted by Debian. They don't stop you from installing it yourself from RPM Fusion and they don't try to break it (which would make an operating Jun 25 15:08
DaemonFCsystem non-Free if it did), but RPM Fusion is another project that is not made available by default or recommended by the Fedora project websites.Jun 25 15:08
DaemonFCWhile there is some effort to set Fedora up, critical hardware isn't broken out-of-the-box simply due to lack of firmware. Debian has picked some odd policies and it continues to do so.Jun 25 15:08
DaemonFCAlso, after a while, Debian Stable becomes crusty enough that it won't work properly on new-ish hardware. Not only is the kernel Linux that it ships with sufficiently old that it still has a bunch of Skylake behavior that will make your laptop less efficient and will run down your battery, they insist on breaking the wifi chip until you can install the iwlwifi firmware (which is more of a pain because modern laptops don't have ethernet Jun 25 15:08
DaemonFCports!), *and* to top it off, if you don't disable Hyperthreading, then certain Skylake processors will malfunction on Debian unless the manufacturer releases a new BIOS, which, guess what, probably only installs if you have Windows(!) all because Debian won't ship firmware for the kernel to replace on boot to solve things like this, like a sane OS does.Jun 25 15:08
DaemonFCI don't even consider Debian. The people making their policies are braindead. There shouldn't be a struggle to set up a modern operating system. Sure, there are things to install and settings to tweak in Fedora, but it's not effing broken right out of the gate.Jun 25 15:08
DaemonFCRight now I pretty much use Fedora because on other distributions my laptop is somewhat broken and finding out why or fixing it robs me of the time that I could be using my computer. If I ever want Long Term Stable, I'll go with CentOS. Whenever 8 is out, I guess. You could conceivably install CentOS and never have to do a distribution upgrade again. It's supported for longer than a Debian Stable or Ubuntu LTS, and it gets feature and Jun 25 15:08
DaemonFCdriver backports."Jun 25 15:08
schestowitztaJun 25 15:10
DaemonFCschestowitz, TL;DR: The Debian policies are nonsensical, break hardware, and burden the user, and they're still not FSF Free.Jun 25 15:12
DaemonFCSo they have nothing to show for it except another spot on the list of operating systems that the FSF does not recommend. It has to be even more broken than out-of-box Debian for them to get behind it.Jun 25 15:13
DaemonFCThe FSF was recommending Nvidia cards for a while because of Nouveau reverse engineering the firmware, but then Nvidia stepped in and made their non-Free firmware redistributable, so Nouveau users get that now.Jun 25 15:14
DaemonFCOn older cards too, because the reverse engineered firmware didn't always set up the card properly.Jun 25 15:15
DaemonFCNvidia still isn't assisting Nouveau to the level that Intel or AMD assist the Free driver projects.Jun 25 15:15
DaemonFCNvidia gives them some firmware blobs and minimal documentation on how to setup the cards. Some information defining registers, etc. It's nothing that you could make a driver that competes with Nvidia proprietary from.Jun 25 15:16
DaemonFCThey consider Nouveau to be a broken stub driver like NV was until you get around to installing theirs.Jun 25 15:16
DaemonFCBy the time Nouveau works as well as theirs does, the hardware is 5-6 years old.Jun 25 15:17
DaemonFCNvidia's proprietary driver has a bunch of cases where if you are using OpenGL properly, it's slooooooow, so video game publishers just code for the Nvidia driver now and tell AMD/Intel users to fuck right off.Jun 25 15:19
DaemonFCCivilization 6 does that.Jun 25 15:20
DaemonFCThere are other games competing for my money though, so by coding for Nvidia only, they're losing their opportunity.Jun 25 15:21
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/959410-debian-warns-of-hyper-threading-issue-with-intel-sky-kaby-lake-cpus?p=959470#post959470Jun 25 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Debian Warns Of Hyper Threading Issue With Intel Sky/Kaby Lake CPUs - Phoronix ForumsJun 25 15:34
DaemonFC"AMD has had nasty bugs too. Remember the original Phenom? They disabled TLB and made the processors slower, like, by double digit (10-20%) percentages.Jun 25 15:35
DaemonFCSo you had a choice. If you weren't running into the problem, you could choose not to update your BIOS, and if you were affected and wanted to do something to avoid triggering it, it was like a major processor downgrade.Jun 25 15:35
DaemonFCYou can read about the bugs that end up affecting AMD processors because they publish them in Erratum. They're really intended to document the problems for people like Linux kernel developers, so they fly under the radar usually, but there are a lot of them.Jun 25 15:35
DaemonFCLike with Intel, most can be fixed, but only if you run newer firmware, which Debian won't include. So under Debian, you're basically running with the firmware that the BIOS loaded when the computer booted up, regardless of if it's broken and by how much.Jun 25 15:35
DaemonFCSome of these bugs end up creating security vulnerabilities, so even if you run a fully patched Debian, without the firmware updates, you aren't getting the fixes applied to the firmware by the hardware vendor."Jun 25 15:35
MinceRfunny thing is, intel's list of cpus their firmware update applies to omits all i7sJun 25 15:35
MinceRalso i3, i5 and i9Jun 25 15:37
MinceRbut who uses those, right?Jun 25 15:37
MinceRand lenovo, in their infinite wisdom, removed the bios setup option where you could disable htJun 25 15:38
MinceRbecause nobody could ever possibly have any reason to do soJun 25 15:38
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=2017-Linux-Laptop-Survey-EarlyJun 25 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An Early Look At Our 2017 Linux Laptop Survey Results So Far - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/r2bcn ]Jun 25 15:38
DaemonFCI filled out the laptop surveyJun 25 15:38
DaemonFCLooks like 90% of people who end up running Linux who answered the survey got there by nuking Windows and installing Linux after the fact.Jun 25 15:39
MinceRthat's a lot of people who use gnu/linux and yet are willing to hand information to a site that is openly hostile to gnu/linuxJun 25 15:39
DaemonFCFedora was at 14%.Jun 25 15:40
DaemonFCUbuntu at 39%. Really? Ubuntu is hell.Jun 25 15:40
MinceRah yes, the "i wish i was using windows" distrosJun 25 15:40
DaemonFCI get weird bugs caused by their broken patches.Jun 25 15:40
XRevan86> docs.google.comJun 25 15:40
XRevan86yeah, rightJun 25 15:40
DaemonFCI can't be the only one that happens to.Jun 25 15:40
MinceRyeah, ubuntu sucskJun 25 15:41
MinceRs/sk/ks/Jun 25 15:41
DaemonFC"Lenovo was the most popular laptop brand at 40%."Jun 25 15:41
MinceRthey patched systray support out of Liferea even though it was already optionalJun 25 15:41
DaemonFCI had to fight like hell just to get them to release a BIOS that allowed me to install Linux to the SSD on this computer.Jun 25 15:41
MinceRdoing extra work just to screw the user!Jun 25 15:41
DaemonFCNow they're back at it apparently, releasing BIOSes with RAID lock.Jun 25 15:41
DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah, Ubuntu is so fucked that Kubuntu had to make an indicators plasma widget in the system tray to support applications that Ubuntu had patched systray support out of.Jun 25 15:42
DaemonFCWhich means that the KDE apps use systray and the rest use indicators, and Kubuntu put in a kludge so that they can deal with that without the user noticing.Jun 25 15:43
DaemonFCMinceR, I don't get why people use Ubuntu.Jun 25 15:43
MinceRsame reason they use other lendows distrosJun 25 15:44
MinceRthey like to sufferJun 25 15:44
DaemonFCIt's this large and growing and increasingly profitable business and it's still acting like it's someone's Kickstarter project that shames you into donating to it.Jun 25 15:44
MinceRif people had a clue, it would not be profitableJun 25 15:45
DaemonFCMinceR, It actually has a donation page on the download links that asks you to donate. They support Paypal and Bitcoin and Flattr and a bunch of others.Jun 25 15:45
MinceRbut apparently fucking things up is the biggest business in our societyJun 25 15:45
DaemonFCMinceR, I suppose people are actually just funding broken NIH crap that eventually crawls into a corner and dies.Jun 25 15:45
MinceRif only it diedJun 25 15:46
DaemonFCNone of the software that Ubuntu developed itself succeeded.Jun 25 15:46
MinceRhttp://random.cat/i/1246134916.jpgJun 25 15:46
DaemonFCMinceR, The Amazon crapware actually provoked one reviewer, don't remember who, to comment "This is like getting a new PC with Windows and having to immediately figure out how to uninstall the bloatware.".Jun 25 15:46
MinceRthat's easy, they didn't develop muchJun 25 15:47
MinceRthey'll go with the atrocious choices debian makes, knowing they're atrocious, just to avoid doing a bit of workJun 25 15:47
DaemonFCMinceR, They've actually had a lot of big and failed projects.Jun 25 15:47
MinceRnot big enoughJun 25 15:47
DaemonFCUpstart, Unity, Mir, Unity 8 (never saw the light of day), indicators...Jun 25 15:47
DaemonFCSnappy will fail too.Jun 25 15:47
MinceRwell, i guess they're bigger than "just switch upstream to devuan"Jun 25 15:48
DaemonFCMinceR, They were paying a team of developers to create all these dead end projects.Jun 25 15:48
MinceRso i really don't get these peopleJun 25 15:48
DaemonFCEventually Shuttleworth decided that he wanted to be let up for air and canceled them to save himself money.Jun 25 15:48
DaemonFCMir and Unity 8 made no sense to continue. Without Ubuntu on devices, they're pouring hundreds of thousandss of dollars into Unity 8 to put on people's desktops for free?Jun 25 15:49
DaemonFCThat won't work.Jun 25 15:49
DaemonFCTheir goal all along has been to subvert standards and destroy consensus.Jun 25 15:49
DaemonFCThey mask it with their "Code of Conduct" and whatnot.Jun 25 15:50
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DaemonFCMinceR, It was actually kind of funny. Some other distributions tried to package and support Unity and they gave up because it would require breaking a ton of other software or patching things like indicators out of Unity.Jun 25 15:51
DaemonFCI commented on one distribution that Unity was like a flaming pile of dogshit that someone left on your front porch. You don't take it inside.Jun 25 15:51
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DaemonFCMinceR, So, what are they doing with Gnome. They said they're dropping "hundreds" of patches that were there to support Unity, but there's already a "unity-session" in Ubuntu 17.10 that is still in Main, and it brings in Unity 7.Jun 25 15:56
DaemonFCThey're stuck supporting Unity 7 at least until 16.04 LTS is out of support in 2021, so might as well make it available, I guess, but it can probably only decay out of the context of 16.04.Jun 25 15:57
DaemonFCNewer Gnome software will be brought in on newer releases and eventually Unity is going to fall apart.Jun 25 15:57
MinceR25 215127 < DaemonFC> I commented on one distribution that Unity was like a flaming pile of dogshit that someone left on your front porch. You don't take it inside.Jun 25 16:00
MinceRsome people do take that inside, thoughJun 25 16:00
MinceRit just needs a helpful "microsoft", "apple" or "red hat" logoJun 25 16:00
MinceRthat's all it takesJun 25 16:00
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DaemonFC<KtecK> hmm some of those linux shipping laptops do look pretty cool.. too bad they only support linuxJun 25 16:02
DaemonFC<Shed-34046> My minecraft video hasn't got good bit of views..Jun 25 16:02
DaemonFC<Shed-34046> Maybe i should just give a few more days before making a new video..Jun 25 16:02
DaemonFC<DaemonFC> KtecK, Maybe get one from LOL NO! Vo that only supports Windows?Jun 25 16:02
DaemonFC<DaemonFC> They're back at it again with sabotaged BIOSes that lock you to "RAID".Jun 25 16:02
DaemonFC<DaemonFC> Makes it impossible to install Linux unless they go back and fix it at some point.Jun 25 16:02
DaemonFC<DaemonFC> I've started recommending the Dell XPS Developer Edition or System76 because at least you know it boots Ubuntu, which gives you a way in to install Fedora. :)Jun 25 16:02
DaemonFC<DaemonFC> The XPS Developer Edition that supports Linux is about the same price as a similarly configured LOL NO! Vo with the BIOS locked to prevent Linux.Jun 25 16:02
MinceRmy favorite kind of RAID is the one that's built from 1 deviceJun 25 16:02
DaemonFCLMAOJun 25 16:02
MinceRall the XPS Developer Edition lacks is build quality and warranty supportJun 25 16:03
MinceRbut i guess some people don't need thatJun 25 16:03
MinceRmaybe you can restrain the lid with a board nailed to the wall so the hinges being total garbage won't matterJun 25 16:04
MinceRjust don't move it. ever.Jun 25 16:04
DaemonFC<DaemonFC> LOL NO! Vo's favorite "RAID" is one that is built around one storage device to trick Windows into loading a power management policy from Intel because there's no other way to do a driver override on Crap OS.Jun 25 16:05
DaemonFC<DaemonFC> Maybe in some future mandatory upgrade and randome reboot funtime.Jun 25 16:05
DaemonFCI stole that from MinceR Jun 25 16:05
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/compatibilismJun 25 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - CompatibilismJun 25 16:05
MinceR:)Jun 25 16:05
DaemonFC<DaemonFC> What? You lost $40,000 of scientific research to Windows 10? Should have read the EULA!Jun 25 16:05
DaemonFC<DaemonFC> Oh no! All of your Azure Red Hat instances got blue pilled? Do the EULA HULA!Jun 25 16:06
DaemonFChttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/24/microsoft_windows_10_update/Jun 25 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | 'Windows 10 destroyed our data!' Microsoft hauled into US court • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/r2bls ]Jun 25 16:08
DaemonFCThe complaint [PDF], filed in Chicago's US District Court on Thursday, charges that Microsoft Windows 10 is a defective product and that its maker failed to provide adequate warning about the potential risks posed by Windows 10 installation – specifically system stability and data loss.Jun 25 16:09
DaemonFCMicrosoft "failed to exercise reasonable care in designing, formulating, and manufacturing the Windows 10 upgrade and placing it into the stream of commerce," the complaint claims. "As a result of its failure to exercise reasonable care, [the company] distributed an operating system that was liable to cause loss of data or damage to hardware."Jun 25 16:09
DaemonFCThe attorneys representing the trio are seeking to have the case certified as a class action that includes every person in the US who upgraded to Windows 10 from Windows 7 and suffered data loss or damage to software or hardware within 30 days of installation. They claim there are hundreds or thousands of affected individuals.Jun 25 16:09
MinceRthe warning was thereJun 25 16:11
MinceRit said "Microsoft" right on the box!Jun 25 16:11
DaemonFCMinceR, A man was killed by the CTA Pride Train. Jun 25 16:16
MinceRwhat's that?Jun 25 16:16
DaemonFCIt was approaching Sox-35th when a man riding his bicycle on the platform lost his balance and fell over onto the tracks.Jun 25 16:16
DaemonFCThe rainbow colored train that CTA has for Chicago's Pride festival.Jun 25 16:17
MinceRicJun 25 16:17
DaemonFCI hate it when people ride their bikes on the platform. It's not even allowed.Jun 25 16:17
DaemonFCWell, he died so he won't be doing that again.Jun 25 16:17
MinceRnatural selectionJun 25 16:17
MinceRit's good that they sometimes still allow it to functionJun 25 16:18
MinceRhttps://imgur.com/gallery/iXKqWJun 25 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-how to find out if your the father - Album on ImgurJun 25 16:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/OsanaGp/status/879066810406064133Jun 25 16:25
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TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/vMpmRvxZrs (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoftJun 25 16:25
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/comely   http://smbc-comics.com/comics/1496933348-20170608after.pngJun 25 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - ComelyJun 25 16:29
DaemonFChttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1464732Jun 25 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1464732 – Gnome fails to start when SELinux boolean deny_execmem is turned on.Jun 25 16:46
MinceRat least it saves you from the pain of having to endure gnomeJun 25 16:47
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DaemonFCHmm.Jun 25 16:54
DaemonFCThat's strange.Jun 25 16:54
DaemonFCMinceR, Trying to reproduce the broken PART messages in Pidgin for a bug report.Jun 25 16:55
MinceRlol, pidginJun 25 16:55
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DaemonFC1Strange. Jun 25 16:56
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MinceRhttps://imgur.com/gallery/US2wAJun 25 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Last one I promise - Album on ImgurJun 25 16:57
DaemonFCI can't make it do it now.Jun 25 16:57
MinceRthat's what she said.Jun 25 16:57
DaemonFCMinceR, With the IRC Helper and IRC More plugins, it's a decent client.Jun 25 16:57
MinceRyeah, i can see :>Jun 25 16:57
XRevan86Oh wow, somebody uses Pidgin for IRC but me.Jun 25 16:58
XRevan86At least I know I'm mad :).Jun 25 16:58
DaemonFCI'm in Hexchat right now.Jun 25 16:59
DaemonFCHopefully someone ports it to GTK+ 3 at some point.Jun 25 16:59
XRevan86DaemonFC: Pidgin 3.x (git master) is Gtk3 only.Jun 25 16:59
XRevan86oops, hg masterJun 25 17:00
XRevan86confused it for gajim for a moment, which migrated to git :)Jun 25 17:00
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DaemonFCThe way Xchat supported Windows was pretty weird.Jun 25 17:02
XRevan86https://bitbucket.org/pidgin/main/src/default/configure.ac#configure.ac-57 die proofJun 25 17:02
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XRevan86* https://bitbucket.org/pidgin/main/src/default/configure.ac?fileviewer=file-view-default#configure.ac-573Jun 25 17:02
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MinceRs/weird/shitty and illegal/Jun 25 17:02
MinceRFTFYJun 25 17:02
DaemonFCZed stripped a bunch of stuff out of GTK+ that Xchat wasn't using and called it MikiGTK and linked to that.Jun 25 17:02
XRevan86DaemonFC: Were MikiGTK sources available?Jun 25 17:03
XRevan86http://xchat.org/files/binary/win32/mini-src/ seems soJun 25 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xchat.org | Index of /files/binary/win32/mini-src [ http://ur1.ca/r2c0a ]Jun 25 17:04
XRevan86MinceR: Why illegal?Jun 25 17:04
MinceRbecause the latest version of xchat was always proprietaryJun 25 17:04
MinceReven though the sources they used were copyleftJun 25 17:04
MinceRthe sources released were always at least 1 version behindJun 25 17:04
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe the author was the sole owner of the thingJun 25 17:05
MinceRafaik he wasn'tJun 25 17:05
XRevan86Why wouldn't he… unless he's ignorant about how things workJun 25 17:06
XRevan86Oh well, it's all in the past :). Vivu HexChatJun 25 17:08
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/spandrels   http://smbc-comics.com/comics/1497013224-20170609after.pngJun 25 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Spandrels [ http://ur1.ca/r2c1v ]Jun 25 17:08
MinceRbecause he's like ciscoJun 25 17:08
MinceRthe rules don't apply to himJun 25 17:08
DaemonFCMinceR, The problem with the GPL is that many copyright holders don't assert their rights.Jun 25 17:09
DaemonFCSo violators don't have any reason to be concerned.Jun 25 17:09
MinceRyes, that's one of the problems with the GPLJun 25 17:09
DaemonFCHappens with Linux all the time.Jun 25 17:09
DaemonFCIt's never Linux copyright holders that sue, it's Busybox.Jun 25 17:09
XRevan86and now proprietary distribution makers have toybox, what a joyJun 25 17:10
DaemonFCWhich is why Sony started Toybox. So they can keep violating the license on Linux and other stuff and the Busybox people can't sue them.Jun 25 17:10
DaemonFCyeah, that.Jun 25 17:10
DaemonFCMinceR, The Linux license is a paper tiger.Jun 25 17:10
DaemonFCIn many ways, it may as well be licensed BSD.Jun 25 17:11
DaemonFCAlthough many companies comply because they are concerned about what might happen if they don't.Jun 25 17:11
MinceRbut then we wouldn't get the downsides of GPLJun 25 17:11
DaemonFCI remember one case where Matthew Garrett did enforce his rights.Jun 25 17:11
DaemonFCAgainst the MPAA, which was illegally distributing Xubuntu.Jun 25 17:11
XRevan86MinceR: There are no downsiders if one ignores the licence.Jun 25 17:11
XRevan86downsides*Jun 25 17:12
DaemonFCThey rigged it up into spyware that universities were supposed to install so the MPAA could monitor their network.Jun 25 17:12
DaemonFCHe got them to take it down.Jun 25 17:12
MinceRXRevan86: that would only be true if one was alone in the universeJun 25 17:13
XRevan86MinceR: upsides and downsides exist only if the licensing is relevantJun 25 17:14
XRevan86and if it is, then GPL has many upsidesJun 25 17:14
MinceRXRevan86: different people and organizations have different views on whether licensing is relevantJun 25 17:14
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DaemonFCMinceR, Ironically, Tom Callaway complains about Google.....Jun 25 17:36
DaemonFCSpecifically that they fork a bunch of libraries and then include a changes.chromium file.Jun 25 17:36
DaemonFCHe said "It's better than nothing.". At the same time, Red Hat releases source RPMs of their Linux kernel without any explanation of what they've done.Jun 25 17:36
DaemonFCSays "Don't worry about it. You don't need to know. Just compile it."Jun 25 17:37
DaemonFCNobody knows the recipe for the RHEL kernel.Jun 25 17:37
DaemonFCThe entire source code is available, but it would take forever to figure out what patches were applied to it.Jun 25 17:38
DaemonFCThis is another example of why the GPL is not sufficient.Jun 25 17:38
DaemonFCIt should have required not just the source, but the patches broken out.Jun 25 17:38
DaemonFCThe GPL 3 doesn't even correct this.Jun 25 17:38
DaemonFCSo the RHEL kernel is a proprietary secret.Jun 25 17:39
DaemonFCEven with the GPL fully complied with.Jun 25 17:39
MinceRratcrap, masters of working around the GPLJun 25 17:39
DaemonFCRed Hat is one of the top contributors to the kernel Linux upstream.Jun 25 17:40
DaemonFCBut no upstream kernel gives you exactly what RHEL does.Jun 25 17:40
MinceRlike m$?Jun 25 17:40
DaemonFCMinceR, Microsoft was for like one or two releases because the Hyper-V code was a massive commit and then it was so shitty that it took thousands of patches to get it promoted out of Staging.Jun 25 17:40
DaemonFCSo that was a fluke, and it's something that will only ever benefit Microsoft running Linux under Hyper-V on Windows.Jun 25 17:41
MinceRyet i keep hearing how great contributors they areJun 25 17:42
MinceReven though i've seen their code and it's even shittier than red hat'sJun 25 17:42
DaemonFCSome of the Windows 10 source leaked the other day.Jun 25 17:43
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=EXT4-Linux-4.13-WorkJun 25 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EXT4 Is Working On A "Large Directory" Option, Parallel Discards - PhoronixJun 25 17:44
DaemonFCAt what point should this be forked off into an Ext5?Jun 25 17:45
DaemonFCThe work on getting discard performance improved is probably the most important of the new features, and that SHOULD go into Ext4.Jun 25 17:46
DaemonFCThe discard performance on Ext4 is so horrible right now that distributions ship it off by default and you have to run a fstrim manually (or as a cron job) every so often.Jun 25 17:47
MinceRi've seen some of the hype-V codeJun 25 17:47
DaemonFCMaybe if parallel discard lands in 4.13, I can change my mount option to add discard.Jun 25 17:48
DaemonFCNo way I'm mounting it like that now.Jun 25 17:48
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oiaohmDaemonFC: there is a fault in ext file systems base structure relating to time  being no 64 bit time with ext3 it was extended to 48 bit time.   48bit time is the limit of ext file system structures.Jun 25 17:56
oiaohmDaemonFC: so at time point ext file system has to be replaced with something with a different structure.Jun 25 17:57
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/wn6UyDmJun 25 17:58
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oiaohmhttp://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-HT-Bug-KBL095  that is a nasty bug.Jun 25 18:11
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schestowitzoiaohm: discussed here earlierJun 25 18:16
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oiaohmschestowitz: even  that is being fixed with microcode shows that the isolation between hyperthreads is software not hardware.Jun 25 18:21
oiaohmschestowitz: so really nasty bug.Jun 25 18:22
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cubexyzhttp://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/calling-earth-a-loser-trump-vows-to-make-better-deal-with-new-planetJun 25 18:29
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schestowitzoiaohm: yes, favours FOSSJun 25 18:37
DaemonFCI made a long post about copyrights on Facebook.Jun 25 18:37
DaemonFCI ended it with...Jun 25 18:37
DaemonFC"It's pretty funny. They put out movies that are such crap, like the latest Pirates of the Caribbean movie, which got 29% on Rotten Tomatoes, and then they blame people who got a CAM copy on BitTorrent for the revenue woes caused by their shitty box office bomb."Jun 25 18:37
cubexyzI prefer to say five eyes = opabinia :)Jun 25 18:39
MinceRopabinia?Jun 25 18:39
cubexyzextinct arthropod from around 450 million years agoJun 25 18:40
cubexyzI guess "Cambrian Stage 3" is the term these daysJun 25 18:40
MinceRoh, i didn't know it had 5 eyesJun 25 18:40
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Opabinia_BW2.jpgJun 25 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Opabinia BW2.jpg - WikipediaJun 25 18:41
MinceRdidn't even recall the nameJun 25 18:41
MinceReven though i looked at it recentlyJun 25 18:41
oiaohmDaemonFC: I am trying to remember the movie that was mostly watched because it was so bad.Jun 25 18:41
MinceREd Wood movies?Jun 25 18:42
DaemonFCPlan 9Jun 25 18:42
MinceR...being one of them :>Jun 25 18:43
DaemonFCYeah, that was the name of an academic research successor to UNIX from Bell Labs.Jun 25 18:43
DaemonFCPlan 9 from Bell LabsJun 25 18:43
DaemonFCThen there was the port of the Plan 9 userspace to POSIX systems.Jun 25 18:43
DaemonFCThey called it Plan 9 from Userspace. :)Jun 25 18:43
cubexyzrather deadish these days I'm afraid Jun 25 18:43
MinceRthe movie was Plan 9 from Outer Space, thoughJun 25 18:43
DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah.Jun 25 18:43
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DaemonFCcubexyz, Some of Plan 9's ideas were later added to Linux.Jun 25 18:44
cubexyzinferno was the successor Jun 25 18:44
oiaohmhttp://www.slashfilm.com/the-worst-reviewed-highest-grossing-movie-of-all-time  reviews and movie success does not line up.Jun 25 18:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slashfilm.com | The Worst Reviewed Highest Grossing Movies Of All-Time – /Film [ http://ur1.ca/r2cvf ]Jun 25 18:44
oiaohmDaemonFC: maybe the issue is not enough hate.Jun 25 18:45
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs#ImpactJun 25 18:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/r2cvl ]Jun 25 18:45
DaemonFCEric S. Raymond said of Plan 9, "[I]t looks like Plan 9 failed simply because it fell short of being a compelling enough improvement on Unix to displace its ancestor. Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rust spots, but it gets the job done well enough to hold its position. There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good Jun 25 18:45
DaemonFCenough."Jun 25 18:45
cubexyzyeah there was Glendix and xv6Jun 25 18:46
cubexyzxv6 crashed thoughJun 25 18:46
MinceRi also didn't find plan9's windowing system compelling enoughJun 25 18:46
cubexyzGlendix looks interesting thoughJun 25 18:46
cubexyzhttp://www.glendix.org/Jun 25 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.glendix.org | Glendix: Bringing the beauty of Plan 9 to LinuxJun 25 18:46
cubexyzthe thing is, if you stick with plan 9 the userspace is quite oldJun 25 18:47
MinceRinterestingJun 25 18:47
cubexyzyou probably wouldn't like browsing the web with abacoJun 25 18:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/SecurityNews6/status/879107964568600576Jun 25 18:48
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Security: #OpenVPN, #Intel Nightmare, Looking Back atJun 25 18:48
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TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/vMpmRvxZrs (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoftJun 25 18:48
TweetTuxMachines                 #nsaJun 25 18:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: OpenVPN, Intel Nightmare, Looking Back at WannaCry | Tux MachinesJun 25 18:48
MinceRcan it not run GNU stuff beside the plan9 stuff?Jun 25 18:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879109062482436096Jun 25 18:50
TweetTuxMachines                 New Stable Kernels and Upcoming #Kernel FeaturesJun 25 18:50
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/VUtRAG02qP (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux #gplJun 25 18:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #amdgpu #ext4 #xpadJun 25 18:50
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cubexyzI would think so, but I've never tried GlendixJun 25 18:50
cubexyzprobably easy enough to port itJun 25 18:50
oiaohmcubexyz: Glendix has not been touched in 8 years.Jun 25 18:52
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.inferno-os.info/inferno/  its mostly inferno allowing its applications to run on top of other OSs.Jun 25 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.inferno-os.info | InfernoJun 25 18:52
MinceRhttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/23/bofh_2017_episode_8/Jun 25 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | BOFH: Putting the commitment into committee • The RegisterJun 25 18:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879110705043185664Jun 25 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: Design Tools, #Nageru, #Obnam, #VP9, and OlderJun 25 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                 ArticlesJun 25 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/DXRnnWs7Sb (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 25 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswJun 25 18:56
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DaemonFCFrom one of my Facebook posts:Jun 25 18:56
DaemonFC"What does Microsoft have? A PC industry that's in deep decline and an operating system with so much spyware (Windows 10) that it literally sends every one of your keystrokes to Microsoft, and which forces broken upgrades on you whether you want them or not, and decides to reboot your computer whenever it wants (frequently).Jun 25 18:56
DaemonFCA Windows PC market where OEMs often sandbag their own computers with 35+ individual pieces of bloatware that the user must figure out how to get rid of.Jun 25 18:56
DaemonFCA Windows PC market where Microsoft so wants to hang on to users that become disgusted with their product that it literally pays sleazy OEMs like Lenovo to make Linux installations impossible.Jun 25 18:56
DaemonFCWindows 10 is so rotten that there's a case against Microsoft making its way through a federal court in Chicago that might gain class action status."Jun 25 18:56
cubexyzI didn't like how the terminal worked in plan 9Jun 25 18:56
cubexyzyeah I think mIcrosoft's time is overJun 25 18:57
MinceRit's either that or the IT industry's time is overJun 25 18:57
cubexyzpeople want off the M$ trainJun 25 18:57
MinceRm$ and their buddies will kill the whole thing if we don't kill them firstJun 25 18:58
cubexyzthe thing is, people don't really know enough about their hardwareJun 25 19:00
MinceRand m$, crApple and intel are willing to do whatever it takes to make it stay that way, tooJun 25 19:00
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cubexyzbtw windows 7 won't run on a chromebookJun 25 19:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879112290116808706Jun 25 19:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Making GNU/Linux Run Poorly, Like an 'App', With aJun 25 19:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Keylogger (EEE)Jun 25 19:01
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/d5sPvvHUen (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 25 19:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #microsoft #eee #suse #gnu #linuxJun 25 19:01
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cubexyzsomething to do with the firmwareJun 25 19:01
cubexyznot that I'm worried about that, just why exactly it didn't work might be interestingJun 25 19:02
DaemonFCMe (part of a Reddit post): "I don't even consider Debian. The people making their policies are braindead. They ship without firmware and then stand there like the retarded stepchild when computers malfunction because of it. There shouldn't be a struggle to set up a modern operating system."Jun 25 19:03
cubexyzreally I blame intel for that, not debianJun 25 19:03
cubexyztoo much funny stuff going on these daysJun 25 19:04
cubexyzthere was some warning not that long ago about the newest intel and AMD CPUs only working on windows 10Jun 25 19:06
cubexyztalk about lock-inJun 25 19:06
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: Design Tools, #Nageru, #Obnam, #VP9, and Older...'Jun 25 19:06
cubexyzbut maybe it was just some unknowledgeable journalistJun 25 19:06
cubexyzthere's no question microsoft is trying to get everyone on win10Jun 25 19:07
cubexyzlike kaby lake is win10 onlyJun 25 19:08
cubexyzlooks like linux is fine on kaby lake thoughJun 25 19:09
oiaohmDaemonFC: debian policy on firmware is not 100 brain dead.   How to fix the firmware problem properly is the bigger issue.   Remember some of the hardware fails we have with Linux is bit of hardware in laptop was dud so oem had custom firmware made and that was only ever in the windows driver.Jun 25 19:10
oiaohmDaemonFC: of course loading a generic firmware into a device needing a custom equals miss behavour.Jun 25 19:10
oiaohmDaemonFC: we really do need the device maker to provide a tested firmware set for a system.Jun 25 19:11
DaemonFCcubexyz, Microsoft says "Skylake requires Windows 10".Jun 25 19:12
DaemonFCFunny, because I'm not running Windows anything right now.Jun 25 19:12
oiaohmSkylake to half behave requires 4.10 Linux kernel or newer.Jun 25 19:13
oiaohmThere are a lot of changes in skylake that break OS kernel.  Now that microcode one was not helping.Jun 25 19:14
oiaohmcubexyz: DaemonFC https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html note what is in the skylake manual and it in the kabylake as well.   If cpu does not use low power states is life span will be shortened.Jun 25 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Skylake's power management under Linux is dreadful and you shouldn't buy one until it's fixedJun 25 19:19
oiaohmCaution: Long term reliability cannot be assured unless all the Low-Power Idle States are enabled.  << This is not want you want to find in a CPU manual.Jun 25 19:19
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/879117199558021121Jun 25 19:22
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Software: Design Tools, #Nageru, #Obnam, #VP9, and OlderJun 25 19:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Design Tools, Nageru, Obnam, VP9, and Older Articles | Tux MachinesJun 25 19:22
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DaemonFCoiaohm, Mine uses all the way up to pc8.Jun 25 19:25
DaemonFCHis post was about Linux 4.5.Jun 25 19:25
DaemonFCI'm using 4.11.Jun 25 19:25
DaemonFCIt probably was broken as hell back then.Jun 25 19:25
oiaohmDaemonFC: 4.10 is when the power management comes in.  4.5 running the Linux kernel was progressively killing the chip.Jun 25 19:42
oiaohmDaemonFC: its also why running old versions of windows on the newer chips is strictly out.Jun 25 19:42
oiaohmDaemonFC: of course other than in a virtual machine where the host is running the power management.Jun 25 19:43
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/959410-debian-warns-of-hyper-threading-issue-with-intel-sky-kaby-lake-cpus?p=959502#post959502Jun 25 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Debian Warns Of Hyper Threading Issue With Intel Sky/Kaby Lake CPUs - Phoronix ForumsJun 25 19:48
DaemonFCThey ship without firmware and then stand there like the retarded stepchild when computers malfunction because of it. You think you're not running "non-free microcode" because you don't have the Debian package installed? WRONG! You're just running an old version with bugs as loaded by your BIOS! Debian's policies mean that unless the user configures their computer the way Debian should have done it, then this FIXED bug could be provoked and Jun 25 19:48
DaemonFCresult in a disaster complete with data loss.Jun 25 19:48
DaemonFCReview of Debian 9: Broken Broken Broken Stupid Stupid Stupid. Full Stop.Jun 25 19:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/879117897666371584Jun 25 19:50
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TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/d5sPvvHUen (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 25 19:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #microsoft #eee #suse #gnu #linuxJun 25 19:50
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DaemonFCI know that Debian supports a lot of architectures that aren't very important in the grand scheme of things (I mean, up until recently, if you wanted to dust off your PowerPC Mac from when dinosaurs roamed the Earth and have Debian stop to fix issues with it as if it was as important as x86, you found your distro), but probably upwards of 90% use it on x86, and most distributions don't even support more than x86 and maybe a few arm devices. Jun 25 20:03
DaemonFCFedora has even de-prioritized 32-bit x86 to the point where problems that only affect that version don't get to block a release.Jun 25 20:03
cubexyzI want 32-bit support Jun 25 20:07
cubexyzI got a ton of 32-bit computersJun 25 20:07
DaemonFCThank goodness we have Debian and Ubuntu so all of the stupid can be safely tucked away in two distros.Jun 25 20:08
DaemonFCMost of the evil too (Ubuntu).Jun 25 20:08
DaemonFCIt's getting harder to support x86-32 because the hardware is just so old.Jun 25 20:08
DaemonFCEspecially the graphics cards from that era.Jun 25 20:08
cubexyzUbuntu is not ideal, but it's still better than win10Jun 25 20:09
DaemonFCWe're running out of maintainers who have access to said hardware.Jun 25 20:09
DaemonFCHard time figuring out if it works in some cases.Jun 25 20:09
DaemonFCHardware support gradually degrades until you pull the plug.Jun 25 20:09
cubexyzthere should be 32-bit testing at leastJun 25 20:09
DaemonFCYou *can* install Fedora as 32-bit, but it's not exactly top priority if you run into trouble.Jun 25 20:10
cubexyzand it's an open question how long a semiconductor-based computers can lastJun 25 20:10
DaemonFCFor Fedora it makes little sense to worry about 32-bit because Red Hat dropped it.Jun 25 20:10
DaemonFCIf 32-bit x86 really matters to you, well (1) the clock is ticking and (2) sooner or later you're going to have to pick the latest long term distro release that supported it and never upgrade again.Jun 25 20:11
DaemonFCI think there will maybe be one more Ubuntu LTS that supports it, but don't plan on it.Jun 25 20:11
cubexyzI already do my own upgrades and backportsJun 25 20:12
DaemonFCBy 2020 (two LTS releases out) 32-bit x86 will make no sense at all.Jun 25 20:12
DaemonFCThey had Fedora Legacy for a while.Jun 25 20:13
DaemonFCIt ended because they were supporting too many releases at once and most people want the latest Fedora release anyway.Jun 25 20:13
DaemonFCI think at the time they ended it, they were supporting like 5 Fedora releases and three old versions of Red Hat Linux as well.Jun 25 20:14
cubexyzwell, there's still people running Unix on PDP-11/45 (I admit that's pretty hard-core)Jun 25 20:14
cubexyzthese are very modular and repairable systemsJun 25 20:15
DaemonFCA more sensible approach would have been to declare like every third Fedora release to be a Fedora Legacy branch, but even that wouldn't really work, because eventually people would need to upgrade and you can't skip versions like that with direct upgrades.Jun 25 20:15
DaemonFCAlso, with CentOS and Scientific Linux already providing essentially a long term stable Fedora.....Jun 25 20:15
DaemonFCRHEL+Clones don't package anything near as much software as Fedora does. You don't even get the complete Gnome software collection.Jun 25 20:16
DaemonFCBut most of the rest is provided by repos like EPEL and RPM Fusion.Jun 25 20:16
cubexyzTUHS does the historical maintainance on UnixJun 25 20:16
cubexyzand it's fairly active Jun 25 20:16
DaemonFCYou won't get official support for EPEL from RHEL/CentOS/Scientific Linux, but the packages are made to fit in on those systems.Jun 25 20:17
DaemonFCI hardly ever go more than five years without buying a new system.Jun 25 20:17
DaemonFCI might because improvements are slowing down.Jun 25 20:18
cubexyzI am worried about my CRTs Jun 25 20:20
cubexyzI'm not comfortable working on them and they are starting to failJun 25 20:20
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cubexyzthe amiga 1080 was made in nov. 1985Jun 25 20:21
cubexyzI have a special watch-list for amiga monitors I'm looking forJun 25 20:27
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/amiga-monitors.txtJun 25 20:28
DaemonFCI'm going to test out higan 103's Sega Genesis emulation later.Jun 25 20:29
DaemonFCThe release notes say it's quite usable, even though it's not the best emulator for those systems yet.Jun 25 20:30
DaemonFCIt's nice to have everything under one roof, and his SNES emulation is excellent.Jun 25 20:30
cubexyzyeah, I wouldn't mind getting a monitor that works for a sega genesis Jun 25 20:30
cubexyzyou can see the problemJun 25 20:30
DaemonFCYeah, I think so.Jun 25 20:31
DaemonFCWhat are you using for IRC? Emacs?Jun 25 20:31
cubexyzno, I'm using xchat on openbsdJun 25 20:31
cubexyzI can't stand emacs :)Jun 25 20:31
DaemonFCWell, there's that at least.Jun 25 20:31
cubexyzalso that's why I never bought a vax.... because of monitor availabilityJun 25 20:32
DaemonFCJamie Zawinski tried making it better with Xemacs, but Stallman wouldn't merge the improvements, or had the GNU version reimplement them.Jun 25 20:32
DaemonFCAt this point, not only s Xemacs dead, but it's probably impossible to merge even if someone wanted to.Jun 25 20:33
cubexyzemacs or (xemacs) used the athena widget setJun 25 20:34
cubexyzso I do have it, but almost never use itJun 25 20:34
DaemonFCbbiabJun 25 20:35
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cubexyzi'm more of a vi-man Jun 25 20:36
cubexyzguess I'm not a true stallmanite :)Jun 25 20:36
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cubexyzhttp://maxhost.org/other/emacs-vs-vi.pngJun 25 21:06
cubexyzhttp://maxhost.org/other/feeble-emacs-user.pngJun 25 21:12
cubexyzok, one moreJun 25 21:20
cubexyzhttp://maxhost.org/other/programmers-life.pngJun 25 21:20
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oiaohmhttps://www.engadget.com/2017/06/24/self-driving-cars-mcity-augmented-reality/  Hmm self drive cars talking to each other I see horrible hacking possibles.Jun 26 00:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Self-driving cars are safer when they talk to each otherJun 26 00:23
oiaohmThere is a very good reason for self drive cars to be able to operate stand alone.Jun 26 00:24
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MinceR26 020757 < DaemonFC> Thank goodness we have Debian and Ubuntu so all of the stupid can be safely tucked away in two distros.Jun 26 01:44
MinceRtoo bad all the ratcrap distros also get all the stupidJun 26 01:44
MinceRand then the derivatives inherit themJun 26 01:44
cubexyzdon't complain... it was worse in the pastJun 26 01:44
cubexyzXenix? Venix? You would have hated thoseJun 26 01:45
cubexyzXenix didn't even come with a compiler unless you paid $1k extraJun 26 01:45
MinceRno, it wasn't so self-destructive in the pastJun 26 01:46
cubexyznow hardware, firmware, you have a valid complaint thereJun 26 01:47
cubexyzbaked in intel meJun 26 01:47
MinceRor amd pspJun 26 01:47
cubexyzI don't even think libreboot supports the latest AMD hardwareJun 26 01:48
cubexyzyes, the pspJun 26 01:48
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cubexyzif the AMD PSP firmware is not present, the system is inoperableJun 26 01:49
cubexyzI hear it's an autonomous computer all on it's ownJun 26 01:51
cubexyzthere is a book thoughJun 26 01:52
cubexyz"Platform Embedded Security Technology Revealed"Jun 26 01:52
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/technology-revealed.pdfJun 26 01:54
cubexyzjust in case it disappearsJun 26 01:54
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MinceRgot it, thanksJun 26 01:59
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/kVAJnWi.gifvJun 26 02:27
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DaemonFCI found some really useful software called uBlock Protector.Jun 26 02:43
DaemonFCIt's like Anti-Adblock Killer Reek, but that was abandoned in November.Jun 26 02:43
DaemonFCThis one is under the GPL 3 and includes some new code to defeat new anti-adblock methods.Jun 26 02:43
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/4lXwYrbJun 26 02:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-She was smoking hot - Meme on ImgurJun 26 02:54
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oiaohmcubexyz: PSP and ME are attempting to deal with a real set of problem.  But dealing with it closed source I really don't see that as helping us long term.Jun 26 03:02
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cubexyzwell I don't think I've ever experienced a BIOS attackJun 26 05:33
cubexyzbut if I _did_ I know what to doJun 26 05:33
cubexyzI don't need baked in secret stuff on my motherboardJun 26 05:33
cubexyzeven if a BIOS attack bricked my computer, you know what?Jun 26 05:34
cubexyzI just take the chip out of the socket and reprogram itJun 26 05:34
cubexyzso no baked in secret stuff pleaseJun 26 05:34
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @SueHayman1 This lackey of Rupe Murdoch is...'Jun 26 05:34
cubexyzenough of big brother tactics Jun 26 05:35
oiaohmcubexyz: https://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-07/Heasman/Presentation/bh-usa-07-heasman.pdf  good list of the straight forward bios attacks.Jun 26 05:43
oiaohmcubexyz: issue most people make the mistake with is thinking that a bios infection is only hidden in the motherboard bios chip.Jun 26 05:44
oiaohmcubexyz: can be hidden in like in video card flash that the bios reads.Jun 26 05:44
oiaohmcubexyz: I agree I don't want secret stuff hidden in motherboard.  I also don't want flash firmwares on items being able to be recoded without my permissions either.Jun 26 05:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @SueHayman1 This lackey of Rupe...'Jun 26 05:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879277739609653248Jun 26 06:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Security: #WannaCry Strikes (Windows in Cameras), BlameJun 26 06:00
TweetTuxMachines                 of FOSS, Elections With #WindowsJun 26 06:00
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/7gzzrwEpRn (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 26 06:00
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: WannaCry Strikes (Windows in Cameras), Blame of FOSS, Elections With Windows | Tux MachinesJun 26 06:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Security: #WannaCry Strikes (Windows in Cameras), Blame of...'Jun 26 06:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879282801069182976Jun 26 06:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux 4.12-rc7 https://t.co/7WXHvTfZx3Jun 26 06:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernel #gplJun 26 06:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.12-rc7 | Tux MachinesJun 26 06:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879283096511807489Jun 26 06:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/mueWiRsjb1Jun 26 06:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #googleJun 26 06:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 26 06:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879283564940054528Jun 26 06:23
TweetTuxMachines                 18 open source translation tools to localize your projectJun 26 06:23
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/LIcbVJfJkD (opensource.com) #freeswJun 26 06:23
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-18 open source translation tools | Opensource.comJun 26 06:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879284018319151104Jun 26 06:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #Debian Devs Urge #Intel #Skylake and #Kaby Lake Users toJun 26 06:25
TweetTuxMachines                 Disable #HyperThreading https://t.co/wSctWYt1ksJun 26 06:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #security #hardwareJun 26 06:25
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 06:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Devs Urge Intel Skylake and Kaby Lake Users to Disable HyperThreading | Tux MachinesJun 26 06:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879284435430113280Jun 26 06:31
TweetTuxMachines                 #SeriousSam 3 - BFE: #OpenGL vs. #Vulkan With Fusion 2017Jun 26 06:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Update https://t.co/fTBpJsQ3I9 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 26 06:31
TweetTuxMachines                 #games #benchmark #gnu #linuxJun 26 06:31
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Serious Sam 3 - BFE: OpenGL vs. Vulkan With Fusion 2017 Update | Tux MachinesJun 26 06:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879285924961673216Jun 26 06:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Tomb File Encryption Tool Helps #SparkyLinux Users BackupJun 26 06:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Their Secret Files https://t.co/edjDQb5VjdJun 26 06:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #privacy is not a crime. #gnuJun 26 06:32
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 26 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tomb File Encryption Tool Helps SparkyLinux Users Backup Their Secret Files | Tux MachinesJun 26 06:32
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 06:32
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux 4.12-rc7 https://t.co/7WXHvTfZx3 #linux #kernel #gpl'Jun 26 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.12-rc7 | Tux MachinesJun 26 06:38
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Debian Devs Urge #Intel #Skylake and #Kaby Lake...'Jun 26 06:38
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/0oGMSQfJun 26 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The most awesome images on the InternetJun 26 07:28
*TweetTuxMachines @terminant0 favourited '18 open source translation tools to localize your...'Jun 26 08:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/terminant0/status/879315198208745472Jun 26 08:45
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    18 open source translation tools to localize your projectJun 26 08:45
TweetTuxMachines @terminant0     https://t.co/LIcbVJfJkD (opensource.com) #freeswJun 26 08:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-18 open source translation tools | Opensource.comJun 26 08:45
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/W7S10Jun 26 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aesthetic - Album on ImgurJun 26 11:21
*TweetTuxMachines @unixgod favourited 'Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 Beta now available...'Jun 26 11:25
*TweetTuxMachines @aioriaxp favourited 'Essential Applications for GNU/Linux Users https://t.co/4OpeQrdE7Q #gnu #linux...'Jun 26 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Essential Applications for GNU/Linux Users | Tux MachinesJun 26 11:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879368509976924161Jun 26 12:06
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Android Leftovers https://t.co/mueWiRsjb1Jun 26 12:06
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #googleJun 26 12:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 26 12:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879370401511608320Jun 26 12:14
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    18 open source translation tools to localize your projectJun 26 12:14
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/LIcbVJfJkD (opensource.com) #freeswJun 26 12:14
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @theresa_may Don't deliver #brexit AT ALL. 63&...'Jun 26 12:14
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @theresa_may Don't deliver #brexit AT...'Jun 26 12:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879375078290534404Jun 26 12:27
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Debian Devs Urge #Intel #Skylake and #Kaby Lake Users toJun 26 12:27
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Disable #HyperThreading https://t.co/wSctWYt1ksJun 26 12:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #security #hardwareJun 26 12:27
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 12:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Devs Urge Intel Skylake and Kaby Lake Users to Disable HyperThreading | Tux MachinesJun 26 12:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879375416749940736Jun 26 12:29
TweetTuxMachines                 #LibreOffice 5.3.4 immediately available for downloadJun 26 12:29
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/30NsgF9uAe (www.tuxmachines.org) #tdf #odfJun 26 12:29
TweetTuxMachines                 #opendocument #freeswJun 26 12:29
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5.3.4 immediately available for download | Tux MachinesJun 26 12:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879376046394671104Jun 26 12:31
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #SeriousSam 3 - BFE: #OpenGL vs. #Vulkan With Fusion 2017Jun 26 12:31
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Update https://t.co/fTBpJsQ3I9 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 26 12:31
TweetTuxMachines                 #games #benchmark #gnu #linuxJun 26 12:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Serious Sam 3 - BFE: OpenGL vs. Vulkan With Fusion 2017 Update | Tux MachinesJun 26 12:31
*TweetTuxMachines @AmbyR00 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian Devs Urge #Intel #Skylake and #Kaby Lake...'Jun 26 12:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879376490739191810Jun 26 12:34
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Tomb File Encryption Tool Helps #SparkyLinux Users BackupJun 26 12:34
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Their Secret Files https://t.co/edjDQb5VjdJun 26 12:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #privacy is not a crime. #gnuJun 26 12:34
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 26 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tomb File Encryption Tool Helps SparkyLinux Users Backup Their Secret Files | Tux MachinesJun 26 12:34
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 12:34
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#LibreOffice 5.3.4 immediately available for download https://t.co/30NsgF9uAe...'Jun 26 12:38
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#Debian Devs Urge #Intel #Skylake and #Kaby Lake...'Jun 26 12:38
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited 'Tomb File Encryption Tool Helps #SparkyLinux Users Backup...'Jun 26 12:40
schestowitz[12:28] <MinceR> http://imgur.com/0oGMSQfJun 26 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The most awesome images on the InternetJun 26 12:47
schestowitzbingoJun 26 12:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Rick4312/status/879378700193681408Jun 26 12:48
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #LibreOffice 5.3.4 immediately available for downloadJun 26 12:48
TweetTuxMachines @Rick4312        https://t.co/30NsgF9uAe (www.tuxmachines.org) #tdf #odfJun 26 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 #opendocument #freeswJun 26 12:48
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks "if you see something, say something," said...'Jun 26 12:55
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks "if you see something, say...'Jun 26 12:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879382958544736256Jun 26 13:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Latest From #GNOMEBuilder and Older #GNOME News (Catchup)Jun 26 13:06
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/dB5fnFmHuh (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 26 13:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #gtk #gnu #linuxJun 26 13:06
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest From GNOME Builder and Older GNOME News (Catchup) | Tux MachinesJun 26 13:06
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Latest From #GNOMEBuilder and Older #GNOME News (Catchup)...'Jun 26 13:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879385733827571716Jun 26 13:10
TweetTuxMachines                 A Linux laptop with security at its core: #Purism 'sJun 26 13:10
TweetTuxMachines                 #Librem PCs now widely available  https://t.co/Pbezx7qFEJJun 26 13:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 26 13:10
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 13:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Linux laptop with security at its core: Purism's Librem PCs now widely available | Tux MachinesJun 26 13:10
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'A Linux laptop with security at its core:...'Jun 26 13:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879391876176121857Jun 26 13:34
TweetTuxMachines                 #ManjaroLinux 17.0.2 released (G, K, X)Jun 26 13:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/CSBPUN7mz0 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 26 13:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro 17.0.2 released (G, K, X) | Tux MachinesJun 26 13:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879392385037471744Jun 26 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 How to use #Evernote in Linux https://t.co/2DcIZq5xErJun 26 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) "browser-based version of Evernote"Jun 26 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 works OK with #gnu #linuxJun 26 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to use Evernote in Linux | Tux MachinesJun 26 13:37
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#ManjaroLinux 17.0.2 released (G, K, X) https://t.co/CSBPUN7mz0 #gnu...'Jun 26 13:37
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'How to use #Evernote in Linux https://t.co/2DcIZq5xEr "browser-based...'Jun 26 13:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879393552077381632Jun 26 13:40
TweetTuxMachines                 #RedHat News and FinancesJun 26 13:40
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/JUYhcMKGxf (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 26 13:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News and Finances | Tux MachinesJun 26 13:40
MinceRthat's a bingo!Jun 26 13:41
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat News and Finances https://t.co/JUYhcMKGxf #gnu #linux...'Jun 26 13:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat News and Finances https://t.co/JUYhcMKGxf #gnu #linux...'Jun 26 13:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879396249832706048Jun 26 13:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #RedHat Unveils Open Source #HCI PlatformJun 26 13:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/H3wnJllFWN (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 26 13:52
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 13:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Unveils Open Source HCI Platform | Tux MachinesJun 26 13:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879396777488781313Jun 26 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 #Debian Linux reveals Intel #Skylake and #KabyLakeJun 26 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 processors have broken hyper-threadingJun 26 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/nVQsWEPw3w (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 26 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/XeJp71tqs7 (news.softpedia.com)Jun 26 13:55
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Linux reveals Intel Skylake and Kaby Lake processors have broken hyper-threading | Tux MachinesJun 26 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian Devs Urge Intel Skylake and Kaby Lake Users to Disable HyperThreadingJun 26 13:55
*TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian Linux reveals Intel #Skylake and #KabyLake processors...'Jun 26 13:56
*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited '#Debian Linux reveals Intel #Skylake and #KabyLake processors...'Jun 26 13:56
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat Unveils Open Source #HCI Platform https://t.co/H3wnJllFWN'Jun 26 13:57
TweetTuxMachines@itsfoss2        https://twitter.com/itsfoss2/status/879398053198925825Jun 26 13:57
TweetTuxMachines                 @tuxmachines New user registration page gives permissionJun 26 13:57
TweetTuxMachines                 error. You might want to fix that.Jun 26 13:57
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/cosmologyJun 26 14:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Cosmology [ http://ur1.ca/r2old ]Jun 26 14:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian Linux reveals Intel #Skylake and #KabyLake processors...'Jun 26 14:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879399873069666305Jun 26 14:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #SUSE #CaaS PlatformJun 26 14:06
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/bAyFDRJ590 (www.tuxmachines.org) another newJun 26 14:06
TweetTuxMachines                 buzzword. #gnu #linux #server #containerJun 26 14:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE CaaS Platform | Tux MachinesJun 26 14:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879400438201823233Jun 26 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Dell Precision 5520 Developer Edition: An amazing UbuntuJun 26 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 mobile workstation https://t.co/jYBZqZjqLGJun 26 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 26 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 #dell #ubuntu #gnu #linuxJun 26 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dell Precision 5520 Developer Edition: An amazing Ubuntu mobile workstation | Tux MachinesJun 26 14:10
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*TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Dell Precision 5520 Developer Edition: An amazing Ubuntu...'Jun 26 14:10
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#SUSE #CaaS Platform https://t.co/bAyFDRJ590 another new buzzword. #gnu...'Jun 26 14:10
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/LpwWjww.gifvJun 26 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | I found the sweet spotJun 26 14:11
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Dell Precision 5520 Developer Edition: An amazing Ubuntu...'Jun 26 14:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879402045673009152Jun 26 14:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/Ga9gdYMMKlJun 26 14:14
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #samsung #nokia #googleJun 26 14:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #xiaomi #google #sonyJun 26 14:14
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 26 14:14
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/Ga9gdYMMKl #android #samsung #nokia #google #linux...'Jun 26 14:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879403050678538242Jun 26 14:17
TweetTuxMachines                 #MotoC Plus review: Buy it only for Stock AndroidJun 26 14:17
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/mINqItpqEF (www.tuxmachines.org) #androidJun 26 14:17
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 26 14:17
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Moto C Plus review: Buy it only for Stock Android | Tux MachinesJun 26 14:17
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#MotoC Plus review: Buy it only for Stock...'Jun 26 14:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879404356877131776Jun 26 14:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #Lenovo Flex 11 #Chromebook review: Tough, durable andJun 26 14:23
TweetTuxMachines                 inexpensive https://t.co/IwUgeLUcgz (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 26 14:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #gentooJun 26 14:23
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo Flex 11 Chromebook review: Tough, durable and inexpensive | Tux MachinesJun 26 14:23
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Lenovo Flex 11 #Chromebook review: Tough, durable and...'Jun 26 14:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump For the US to be safe it...'Jun 26 14:26
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879405524302823425Jun 26 14:41
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    @realDonaldTrump For the US to be safe it needs to getJun 26 14:41
TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines    rid of bigots like yourself.Jun 26 14:41
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump For the US to be...'Jun 26 14:41
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Debian Linux reveals Intel #Skylake and #KabyLake processors...'Jun 26 14:57
MinceRhttps://68.media.tumblr.com/85479247b1874cc817f0300a492bbba1/tumblr_inline_os64mabKSD1uc2pje_1280.pngJun 26 15:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879413406033424384Jun 26 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Games: #Motti, #HOOK, #Maia, #Lyndow and MoreJun 26 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/7UfEDdJkpz (www.tuxmachines.org) #games #gnuJun 26 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 26 15:02
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Motti, HOOK, Maia, Lyndow and More | Tux MachinesJun 26 15:02
MinceRhttps://twitter.com/TwoPaddocks/status/879233937070931968Jun 26 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TwoPaddocks: Brexit simplified. https://t.co/KmU8LGgWNgJun 26 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TwoPaddocks: Brexit simplified. https://t.co/KmU8LGgWNgJun 26 15:05
DaemonFCMinceR, I wish I could tell you some of the things I know, but I don't want to get someone else in trouble. I think you'd fall out of your chair laughing.Jun 26 15:15
DaemonFCLegally, I'm not even supposed to know.Jun 26 15:15
MinceR:>Jun 26 15:16
DaemonFCMinceR, Trump claims he wants the same thing for us.Jun 26 15:19
DaemonFCThat's what nationalism and economic fascism gets you.Jun 26 15:20
DaemonFCAnyone who sits down and looks at NAFTA should come to the conclusion that there are more upsides for the US than downsides, and if we go back to the table, there's no guarantee we'll get a better deal, and if we rip it up we'll spiral into an economic depression complete with inflation, millions of lost jobs, and empty shelves.Jun 26 15:21
DaemonFCThe North American trade bloc is so integrated after 25 years of NAFTA and even more with the former US-Canada deal, that there's no easy way to back out of it.Jun 26 15:22
DaemonFCMinceR, I don't think that NAFTA has cost us jobs on balance.Jun 26 15:23
DaemonFCIt has changed the kind of jobs we have.Jun 26 15:23
DaemonFCThe US lost some manufacturing, but our financial institutions and agriculture took over in Mexico.Jun 26 15:24
DaemonFCWe basically strongarmed them the last time and Trump thinks we were the victims?Jun 26 15:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879414403384397828Jun 26 15:27
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Games: #Motti, #HOOK, #Maia, #Lyndow and MoreJun 26 15:27
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/7UfEDdJkpz (www.tuxmachines.org) #games #gnuJun 26 15:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/apisanadora/status/879420897651826689Jun 26 15:30
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    18 open source translation tools to localize your projectJun 26 15:30
TweetTuxMachines @apisanadora    https://t.co/LIcbVJfJkD (opensource.com) #freeswJun 26 15:30
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Weak? Yes. Wobbly? Yes, yes, yes. https://t.co/bKB6jFV98y...'Jun 26 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn Weak? Yes. Wobbly? Yes, yes, yes. https://t.co/bKB6jFV98yJun 26 15:30
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn Weak? Yes. Wobbly? Yes, yes,...'Jun 26 15:45
MinceRDaemonFC: does the NAFTA have anti-human rights effects as the more recent "trade agreement"s do?Jun 26 15:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879425471133474816Jun 26 15:48
TweetTuxMachines                 How Linux and makerspaces can strengthen our socialJun 26 15:49
TweetTuxMachines                 fabricJun 26 15:49
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/zxpZFd4Efc (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 26 15:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How Linux and makerspaces can strengthen our social fabric | Tux MachinesJun 26 15:49
DaemonFCWell, it improved the overall standard of living in all countries, I think.Jun 26 15:49
DaemonFCThe "rising tide lifts all the boats" theory.Jun 26 15:50
DaemonFCBut some got a better deal from it than others.Jun 26 15:50
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'How Linux and makerspaces can strengthen our social...'Jun 26 15:51
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DaemonFCMinceR, A good example is Walmart.Jun 26 15:52
DaemonFCThere are things in Walmart now that are cheaper than they were in 1991, even without adjusting for inflation.Jun 26 15:52
*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited 'Games: #Witcher2 & #RocketLeague, Ashes of the Singularity...'Jun 26 15:52
DaemonFCLike a box fan.Jun 26 15:52
DaemonFCSome worker in Mexico got a job making box fans and he earns three times what he made before.Jun 26 15:52
DaemonFCbrbJun 26 15:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/bestariwebhost/status/879427120061194240Jun 26 16:03
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    How Linux and makerspaces can strengthen our socialJun 26 16:03
TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost  fabricJun 26 16:03
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/zxpZFd4Efc (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 26 16:03
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 16:03
DaemonFChttps://www.spinics.net/lists/stable/msg178100.htmlJun 26 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.spinics.net | Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas — Linux Stable Kernel Updates [ http://ur1.ca/r2qjf ]Jun 26 16:13
DaemonFCLinux 4.11.7 has this.Jun 26 16:13
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/software/general-linux-open-source/959507-linux-4-12-rc7-released-final-might-come-in-one-week?p=959648#post959648Jun 26 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 4.12-rc7 Released: Final Might Come In One Week - Phoronix Forums [ http://ur1.ca/r2qoq ]Jun 26 16:22
DaemonFCMe: I've been getting:Jun 26 16:22
DaemonFCiwlwifi 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-8000C-28.ucode failed with error -2Jun 26 16:22
DaemonFCEver since I started using the Linux 4.11.5 kernel (iirc). Thank Intel for making references to firmware that they haven't released yet in a stable kernel series.Jun 26 16:22
DaemonFCAnyway, my wifi works, so oh well. Just more random error chatter from the kernel. I get plenty of that anyway on my Lenovo Yoga 900. It doesn't (appear to) harm anything. (But who knows?)Jun 26 16:22
schestowitz"Sing-In" http://news.softpedia.com/news/google-s-chrome-os-team-is-experimenting-with-refreshed-sign-in-lock-screens-516647.shtmlJun 26 16:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Google's Chrome OS Team Is Experimenting with Refreshed Sign-In/Lock Screens [ http://ur1.ca/r2qs4 ]Jun 26 16:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TRS0211/status/879437447507193857Jun 26 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TRS0211: @schestowitz @jeremycorbyn That chin (or lack of) is a threat in itselfJun 26 16:37
schestowitzLet's focus on the issue, not appearances.Jun 26 16:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BeyondSimian/status/879438670675271681Jun 26 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BeyondSimian: @schestowitz @jeremycorbyn Crime has gone downJun 26 16:39
DaemonFChttps://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/hardware-firmware-driversJun 26 16:39
schestowitz(brexit lunacy)Jun 26 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Free drivers, firmware, and hardware designs — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/r2qxz ]Jun 26 16:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879438472804782081Jun 26 16:39
TweetTuxMachines                 Servers: Docker Hub, Internet Archive, DevOps...Jun 26 16:39
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/NO3otHPUoY (www.tuxmachines.org) #serverJun 26 16:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #docker #container #iaJun 26 16:39
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schestowitzmaybe fewer cops are left to record it, or fewer people bother reporting itJun 26 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Servers: Docker Hub, Internet Archive, DevOps... | Tux MachinesJun 26 16:39
DaemonFCApple put Imagination Technologies out of business, essentially, when it stopped buying their chipsets.Jun 26 16:39
schestowitzyeahJun 26 16:40
schestowitzI hear thatJun 26 16:40
MinceRgood riddanceJun 26 16:40
DaemonFCSo maybe we won't have to deal with Poulsbo-like shit from them again.Jun 26 16:40
schestowitzphoronix wrote about it last weekJun 26 16:40
MinceRpoulsbo was intel's choice to use a shitty gpu instead of their own, thoughJun 26 16:40
MinceRthey could go to another shitty company insteadJun 26 16:40
DaemonFC"We support Linux. Just look at our 32-bit only blob that works on Ubuntu 8.04!"Jun 26 16:41
MinceR"just use the vesa driver"Jun 26 16:41
DaemonFCMinceR, They're up for sale. About the only asset they might have now are patents.Jun 26 16:42
DaemonFCProbably Intel will buy them.Jun 26 16:42
MinceRfinally, intel can abuse customers with shitty gpus they own :>Jun 26 16:42
DaemonFCIt's cheap and it means that whoever gets them can't be sued by a patent troll later.Jun 26 16:43
DaemonFCMinceR, They'll just do another incestuous cross licensing agreement with AMD.Jun 26 16:43
DaemonFCThey'd prefer to have no competition, but if they have to have one, they'd prefer it to be AMD.Jun 26 16:44
MinceR:>Jun 26 16:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879438850048839680Jun 26 16:44
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtosJun 26 16:44
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/ZQFxUgxMgi (www.tuxmachines.org) #howtoJun 26 16:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #unix #gnu #linux #cliJun 26 16:44
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MinceRand the governments let them get away with itJun 26 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 26 16:44
DaemonFCIntel lets AMD live because their products generally aren't as good and they're not a major player anyway.Jun 26 16:45
DaemonFCAMD got bumped into the S&P 500 recently but it's one of the smaller components.Jun 26 16:45
DaemonFCLike #497 by weight.Jun 26 16:45
DaemonFCThey have to heavily discount to compete with Intel on the low end.Jun 26 16:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879440122047057920Jun 26 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #Debian News: #Debian 9 'Stretch' Slideshow,Jun 26 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #HyperThreading, and #Voyager9Jun 26 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/fwAiYyANR5 (www.tuxmachines.org) #intelJun 26 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #security #gnu #linuxJun 26 16:46
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DaemonFCAMD has released some major disasters, like Bulldozer.Jun 26 16:48
DaemonFCThen once they're in the retail channels, they have to subsidize them to get them to sell, at a loss.Jun 26 16:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879440736088973312Jun 26 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Fedora: New and Old #Development NewsJun 26 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/RP0jjSRanX (www.tuxmachines.org)  #fedoraJun 26 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #redhat #gnu #linuxJun 26 16:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: New and Old Development News | Tux MachinesJun 26 16:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879441469219766272Jun 26 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux Desktops: #KDE, #Budgie, and #GNOMEJun 26 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/KoJahCFIRM (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 26 16:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Desktops: KDE, Budgie, and GNOME | Tux MachinesJun 26 16:51
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=radeonsi-win-catching&num=1Jun 26 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Radeon's Open-Source Linux GPU Driver Has Nearly Caught Up With Windows' Driver - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/r2r45 ]Jun 26 16:51
DaemonFCApparently, amdgpu is missing Vulkan support.Jun 26 16:54
DaemonFCEven Intel is supporting Vulkan.Jun 26 16:54
MinceR:(Jun 26 16:55
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/959637-lumina-1-3-desktop-environment-releasedJun 26 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lumina 1.3 Desktop Environment Released - Phoronix Forums [ http://ur1.ca/r2rgx ]Jun 26 17:12
DaemonFCI commented: Several Linux distributions package it, but it's not commonly supported. We already have several smallish desktop environments that have the same basic goal of being small, working well on old and bargain basement computers, using a small utility for each task and avoiding entanglements with systemd. I wonder what their objection with using LXQt was. If it was just the GPL/LGPL then making a whole new project seems pointless.Jun 26 17:12
DaemonFCOhhh, additional drivers for Intel's Bay FAIL platform. :)Jun 26 17:17
DaemonFChttps://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=911723Jun 26 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-koji.fedoraproject.org | kernel-4.12.0-0.rc7.git0.1.fc27 | Build Info | koji [ http://ur1.ca/r2rjz ]Jun 26 17:17
DaemonFCI wonder if it fixes the random lockups.Jun 26 17:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879441853807984640Jun 26 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: #Nuvola Player, #GStreamer, #MKVToolNix,Jun 26 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 #Parlatype, and #PulseEffectsJun 26 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/glKVHLCj6P (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 26 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 26 17:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Nuvola Player, GStreamer, MKVToolNix, Parlatype, and PulseEffects | Tux MachinesJun 26 17:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879451288404197376Jun 26 17:28
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Servers: Docker Hub, Internet Archive, DevOps...Jun 26 17:28
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/NO3otHPUoY (www.tuxmachines.org) #serverJun 26 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 #docker #container #iaJun 26 17:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879451322118008832Jun 26 17:33
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    today's howtosJun 26 17:33
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/ZQFxUgxMgi (www.tuxmachines.org) #howtoJun 26 17:33
TweetTuxMachines                 #unix #gnu #linux #cliJun 26 17:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 26 17:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879452601716101120Jun 26 17:33
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Debian News: #Debian 9 'Stretch' Slideshow,Jun 26 17:33
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #HyperThreading, and #Voyager9Jun 26 17:33
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/fwAiYyANR5 (www.tuxmachines.org) #intelJun 26 17:34
TweetTuxMachines                 #security #gnu #linuxJun 26 17:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian News: Debian 9 'Stretch' Slideshow, HyperThreading, and Voyager 9 | Tux MachinesJun 26 17:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879452630879268866Jun 26 17:37
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Fedora: New and Old #Development NewsJun 26 17:37
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/RP0jjSRanX (www.tuxmachines.org)  #fedoraJun 26 17:37
TweetTuxMachines                 #redhat #gnu #linuxJun 26 17:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: New and Old Development News | Tux MachinesJun 26 17:37
*TweetTuxMachines @cafbear favourited '#Debian News: #Debian 9 'Stretch' Slideshow, #HyperThreading, and...'Jun 26 17:37
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Was it not known for a long...'Jun 26 17:42
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Was it not known for...'Jun 26 17:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879454939738714112Jun 26 17:43
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #gnu #linux Desktops: #KDE, #Budgie, and #GNOMEJun 26 17:43
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/KoJahCFIRM (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 26 17:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Desktops: KDE, Budgie, and GNOME | Tux MachinesJun 26 17:43
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/959410-debian-warns-of-hyper-threading-issue-with-intel-sky-kaby-lake-cpus/page7Jun 26 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Debian Warns Of Hyper Threading Issue With Intel Sky/Kaby Lake CPUs - Phoronix Forums [ http://ur1.ca/r2s0e ]Jun 26 17:48
DaemonFCI told John Bridgman that AMD is a giant trash fire.Jun 26 17:48
MinceRso are intel and nvidiaJun 26 17:53
MinceR:(Jun 26 17:53
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/soloJun 26 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - SoloJun 26 17:55
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/u37HGeX.jpgJun 26 18:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879454964460003329Jun 26 18:08
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Software: #Nuvola Player, #GStreamer, #MKVToolNix,Jun 26 18:08
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #Parlatype, and #PulseEffectsJun 26 18:08
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/glKVHLCj6P (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 26 18:08
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 26 18:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Nuvola Player, GStreamer, MKVToolNix, Parlatype, and PulseEffects | Tux MachinesJun 26 18:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879461354150789120Jun 26 18:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Companies That Exploit FOSS in an Effort to Look "Open"Jun 26 18:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (While Remaining Wholly Proprietary)Jun 26 18:09
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/YwLKbEgULz (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoftJun 26 18:09
TweetTuxMachines                 #vmwareJun 26 18:09
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*TweetTuxMachines @chadmccullough favourited 'Companies That Exploit FOSS in an Effort to...'Jun 26 18:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879462736345915392Jun 26 18:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Desktop/Laptop: Open Letter to the #Linux Community,Jun 26 18:17
TweetTuxMachines                 #Librem Laptops, #ChromeOS, and the Laptop SurveyJun 26 18:17
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/ht8y5caKbW (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnuJun 26 18:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Desktop/Laptop: Open Letter to the Linux Community, Librem Laptops, Chrome OS, and the Laptop Survey | Tux MachinesJun 26 18:17
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Companies That Exploit FOSS in an Effort to...'Jun 26 18:17
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Desktop/Laptop: Open Letter to the #Linux Community, #Librem...'Jun 26 18:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879465064197222400Jun 26 18:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Security: Security Updates, #Qualys, #NIST, Internet ofJun 26 18:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Things, #Microsoft 's Broken Updates and #HoneypotsJun 26 18:26
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/lRZPgl7iIP (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 26 18:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Security Updates, Qualys, NIST, Internet of Things, Microsoft's Broken Updates and Honeypots | Tux MachinesJun 26 18:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Hopefully @GreenPartyUS will rise from DNC ashes'Jun 26 18:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Hopefully @GreenPartyUS will rise from...'Jun 26 18:26
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Security: Security Updates, #Qualys, #NIST, Internet of Things,...'Jun 26 18:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879468528000270337Jun 26 18:37
TweetTuxMachines                 #Lumina 1.3.0 ReleasedJun 26 18:37
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/InJoYyxiqs (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unixJun 26 18:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/879468665237905413Jun 26 18:38
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Companies That Exploit FOSS in an Effort to Look "Open"Jun 26 18:38
TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief      (While Remaining Wholly Proprietary)Jun 26 18:38
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/YwLKbEgULz (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoftJun 26 18:38
TweetTuxMachines                 #vmwareJun 26 18:38
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Lumina 1.3.0 Released https://t.co/InJoYyxiqs #bsd #unix...'Jun 26 18:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange The revolution will be not televised by...'Jun 26 18:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange The revolution will be not...'Jun 26 18:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879469494099472385Jun 26 18:44
TweetTuxMachines                 @itsfoss2 no, due to spam registrations we had to disableJun 26 18:44
TweetTuxMachines                 it. Do you want me to set up an account for you? -RSJun 26 18:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879470326459006976Jun 26 18:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Kernel: AES-128-CBC Support, #Linux 4.12 5 Days Away,Jun 26 18:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Stable New Kernels and MoreJun 26 18:46
TweetTuxMachines                   https://t.co/w4P7zbCLl6 (www.tuxmachines.org) #kernelJun 26 18:46
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: AES-128-CBC Support, Linux 4.12 5 Days Away, Stable New Kernels and More | Tux MachinesJun 26 18:46
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Kernel: AES-128-CBC Support, #Linux 4.12 5 Days Away,...'Jun 26 18:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Kernel: AES-128-CBC Support, #Linux 4.12 5 Days Away,...'Jun 26 18:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879471560016498689Jun 26 18:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #AMD #Graphics and Processors (for #Linux, #LLVM,Jun 26 18:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #Coreboot...)Jun 26 18:51
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/Zo0Yjtkg4u (www.tuxmachines.org) #hardwareJun 26 18:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #radeon #radeonSI #atiJun 26 18:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Graphics and Processors (for Linux, LLVM, Coreboot...) | Tux MachinesJun 26 18:51
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#AMD #Graphics and Processors (for #Linux, #LLVM, #Coreboot...)...'Jun 26 18:52
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: '#AMD #Graphics and Processors (for #Linux, #LLVM, #Coreboot...)...'Jun 26 18:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879472778914693120Jun 26 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                 #Huawei Continues Working On Protectable Memory SupportJun 26 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                 For The #Linux #KernelJun 26 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/24y1r1Z0EW (www.tuxmachines.org) #chinaJun 26 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                 #security #gplJun 26 18:56
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Huawei Continues Working On Protectable Memory Support For The Linux Kernel | Tux MachinesJun 26 18:56
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Huawei Continues Working On Protectable Memory Support For...'Jun 26 18:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879473940497825792Jun 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines                 #Graphics and Displays: 46-inch Touchscreen, #OpenGL Jun 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines                 /#Vulkan #Benchmarks,# Freedreno Development and #MesaJun 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/JWvmAcfmYd (www.tuxmachines.org) #linuxJun 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics and Displays: 46-inch Touchscreen, OpenGL/Vulkan Benchmarks, Freedreno Development and Mesa | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:03
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Graphics and Displays: 46-inch Touchscreen, #OpenGL /#Vulkan...'Jun 26 19:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879475655372570625Jun 26 19:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Kernels 4.4.74 LTS and 3.18.58 Fix Memory Leaks andJun 26 19:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Add More Improvements  https://t.co/8JkZ6g2y0lJun 26 19:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernelJun 26 19:07
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernels 4.4.74 LTS and 3.18.58 Fix Memory Leaks and Add More Improvements | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879476167102877697Jun 26 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #SolydXK 9 Linux Distributions Enter Beta Based on DebianJun 26 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                 GNU/Linux 9 "Stretch"Jun 26 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/qKKiy6A8zs (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 26 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #debianJun 26 19:14
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SolydXK 9 Linux Distributions Enter Beta Based on Debian GNU/Linux 9 "Stretch" | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879477944502169600Jun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Walmart takes its Amazon battle to the cloudsJun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/i5qyJ2YM4i (www.tuxmachines.org) it's mostlyJun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux (de facto platform in servers now)Jun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Walmart takes its Amazon battle to the clouds | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879479563608354816Jun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Linux Kernels 4.4.74 LTS and 3.18.58 Fix Memory Leaks andJun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Add More Improvements  https://t.co/8JkZ6g2y0lJun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux #kernelJun 26 19:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/879479589453647872Jun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Security: Security Updates, #Qualys, #NIST, Internet ofJun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief      Things, #Microsoft 's Broken Updates and #HoneypotsJun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/lRZPgl7iIP (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Security Updates, Qualys, NIST, Internet of Things, Microsoft's Broken Updates and Honeypots | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/879479675784974336Jun 26 19:22
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Desktop/Laptop: Open Letter to the #Linux Community,Jun 26 19:22
TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief      #Librem Laptops, #ChromeOS, and the Laptop SurveyJun 26 19:22
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/ht8y5caKbW (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnuJun 26 19:22
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Desktop/Laptop: Open Letter to the Linux Community, Librem Laptops, Chrome OS, and the Laptop Survey | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/AlejosAngel/status/879479900251594752Jun 26 19:23
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Tomb File Encryption Tool Helps #SparkyLinux Users BackupJun 26 19:23
TweetTuxMachines @AlejosAngel    Their Secret Files https://t.co/edjDQb5VjdJun 26 19:23
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #privacy is not a crime. #gnuJun 26 19:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 26 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tomb File Encryption Tool Helps SparkyLinux Users Backup Their Secret Files | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879480124458110981Jun 26 19:29
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #SolydXK 9 Linux Distributions Enter Beta Based on DebianJun 26 19:29
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    GNU/Linux 9 "Stretch"Jun 26 19:29
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/qKKiy6A8zs (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 26 19:29
TweetTuxMachines                 #debianJun 26 19:29
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SolydXK 9 Linux Distributions Enter Beta Based on Debian GNU/Linux 9 "Stretch" | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879481733405700097Jun 26 19:30
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Walmart takes its Amazon battle to the cloudsJun 26 19:30
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/i5qyJ2YM4i (www.tuxmachines.org) it's mostlyJun 26 19:30
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux (de facto platform in servers now)Jun 26 19:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Walmart takes its Amazon battle to the clouds | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:30
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited 'Linux Kernels 4.4.74 LTS and 3.18.58 Fix Memory...'Jun 26 19:30
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#SolydXK 9 Linux Distributions Enter Beta Based on...'Jun 26 19:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879482841138122752Jun 26 19:34
TweetTuxMachines                 #Programming: #LLVM  /#Clang, anytime, and #GoLangJun 26 19:34
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/eUSSaCtpaI (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 26 19:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming: LLVM/Clang, anytime, and Go | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:34
*TweetTuxMachines @cool_golang retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Programming: #LLVM /#Clang, anytime, and #GoLang ...'Jun 26 19:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879483720712978432Jun 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines                 OSS: FOSS in #Mappano, Open Network Automation PlatformJun 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (ONAP), #Blender in Class, #Kodi Jobs, #InnersourceJun 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/ScBoYr5ZiO (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 26 19:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS: FOSS in Mappano, Open Network Automation Platform (ONAP), Blender in Class, Kodi Jobs, Innersource | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879484030051340289Jun 26 19:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Tizen and More Android LeftoversJun 26 19:41
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/erhQPuTOu2 (www.tuxmachines.org) #tizenJun 26 19:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #tizenos #gnu #linux #android #samsung #googleJun 26 19:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen and More Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879484676385239040Jun 26 19:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Newly-Built Software for #SlackwareJun 26 19:41
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/RsQvOczcx9 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 26 19:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #gcc #libreoffice #plasma #kdeJun 26 19:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Newly-Built Software for Slackware | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:41
*TweetTuxMachines @codeCrypto favourited 'A Linux laptop with security at its core:...'Jun 26 19:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/codeCrypto/status/879484762552848384Jun 26 19:44
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    A Linux laptop with security at its core: #Purism 'sJun 26 19:44
TweetTuxMachines @codeCrypto     #Librem PCs now widely available  https://t.co/Pbezx7qFEJJun 26 19:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 26 19:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Linux laptop with security at its core: Purism's Librem PCs now widely available | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879485453367480320Jun 26 19:49
TweetTuxMachines                 today's #tuxmachines leftoversJun 26 19:49
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/LGed40pQUH (www.tuxmachines.org) #manjaroJun 26 19:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #redhat #uk #turtlebot #ubuntu #librem #purismJun 26 19:49
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879486827350159360Jun 26 19:52
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Programming: #LLVM  /#Clang, anytime, and #GoLangJun 26 19:52
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/eUSSaCtpaI (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 26 19:52
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming: LLVM/Clang, anytime, and Go | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879487535336050688Jun 26 19:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Links 26/6/2017: Lumina Version 1.3.0, Final Linux RCJun 26 19:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/GUrpvx0saj (techrights.org)Jun 26 19:54
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/6/2017: Lumina Version 1.3.0, Final Linux RC | TechrightsJun 26 19:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879487994767560704Jun 26 19:59
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    OSS: FOSS in #Mappano, Open Network Automation PlatformJun 26 19:59
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (ONAP), #Blender in Class, #Kodi Jobs, #InnersourceJun 26 19:59
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/ScBoYr5ZiO (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 26 19:59
TweetTuxMachines Jun 26 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS: FOSS in Mappano, Open Network Automation Platform (ONAP), Blender in Class, Kodi Jobs, Innersource | Tux MachinesJun 26 19:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879489362337173504Jun 26 20:00
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Tizen and More Android LeftoversJun 26 20:00
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/erhQPuTOu2 (www.tuxmachines.org) #tizenJun 26 20:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #tizenos #gnu #linux #android #samsung #googleJun 26 20:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen and More Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 26 20:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879489391001055234Jun 26 20:00
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Newly-Built Software for #SlackwareJun 26 20:00
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/RsQvOczcx9 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 26 20:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #gcc #libreoffice #plasma #kdeJun 26 20:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Newly-Built Software for Slackware | Tux MachinesJun 26 20:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879489410768789504Jun 26 20:00
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    today's #tuxmachines leftoversJun 26 20:00
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/LGed40pQUH (www.tuxmachines.org) #manjaroJun 26 20:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #redhat #uk #turtlebot #ubuntu #librem #purismJun 26 20:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 26 20:00
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mlsmithDecided to try out the new ProtonVPN service. So far so good. Anybody else use a VPN daily here?Jun 26 21:10
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerJun 26 22:01
DaemonFC14 mins · Jun 26 22:01
DaemonFCDr. Evil: Mr. President, after I destroy Washington D.C. I will destroy another major city every hour on the hour. That is, unless, of course, you pay me....one hundred... billion dollars.Jun 26 22:01
DaemonFCThe President: [bursts with laughter] Dr. Evil, this is 1969! That amount of money doesn't even exist. Jun 26 22:01
DaemonFC[laughing]Jun 26 22:01
DaemonFCThe President: That's like saying, [with changed voice] Jun 26 22:01
DaemonFCThe President: "I want a kajillion bajillion dollars."Jun 26 22:01
DaemonFChttps://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/06/27/0037241/zillow-threatens-to-sue-blogger-for-using-its-photos-for-parodyJun 26 22:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yro.slashdot.org | Zillow Threatens To Sue Blogger For Using Its Photos For Parody - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/r2w6j ]Jun 26 22:01
DaemonFChttps://web.archive.org/web/20170606043317/http://www.mcmansionhell.com/post/161329177461/50-states-of-mcmansion-hell-harford-countyJun 26 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | 50 States of McMansion Hell: Harford County,... | McMansion Hell [ http://ur1.ca/r2wa0 ]Jun 26 22:08
DaemonFCThere's the post that Zillow got removed.Jun 26 22:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879490415912779777Jun 26 22:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Today in #TechrightsJun 26 22:11
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/hTZl4LQYrm (www.tuxmachines.org) #epoJun 26 22:11
TweetTuxMachines                 #battistelli #patents #swpats #JesperKongstad #suepoJun 26 22:11
TweetTuxMachines                 #munich #germanyJun 26 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJun 26 22:11
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DaemonFCschestowitz, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6j0cpb/lenovo_releases_new_bios_for_ideapad_710s_plus/Jun 26 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Lenovo Releases New Bios for IdeaPad 710s Plus and Plus Touch : linux [ http://ur1.ca/r2wtf ]Jun 26 22:56
DaemonFCLenovo has released new BIOS firmware for the 710S Plus and 710S Plus Touch that allows Linux installs.Jun 26 22:57
DaemonFCThey don't mention Linux, but they added an option to disable "RAID" which makes the SSD available to all operating systems. A forums user said he was able to install Debian.Jun 26 22:57
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/959637-lumina-1-3-desktop-environment-releasedJun 26 23:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lumina 1.3 Desktop Environment Released - Phoronix Forums [ http://ur1.ca/r2rgx ]Jun 26 23:02
DaemonFCLooks sort of amateurish at the moment. They posted an article on OMG Ubuntu! and I nearly choked when someone said "Designed by Stevie Wonder.". I took another look at it. Late 90s Gnome (before there was a HIG) came to mind.Jun 26 23:02
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DaemonFChttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1465250Jun 26 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1465250 – SELinux is preventing gsd-xsettings from 'setattr' accesses on the directory /usr/lib/fontconfig/cache. [ http://ur1.ca/r2xdz ]Jun 26 23:45
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oiaohmDaemonFC: that Lenovo one is also part one of the intel raid options not being supported by LinuxJun 26 23:54
DaemonFCoiaohm, And it never will be as long as Linux upstream keeps rejecting the driver.Jun 27 00:00
DaemonFCIntel did give them one. They decided not to upstream it.Jun 27 00:00
DaemonFCSeems like the device makers are giving up and letting people turn off the RAID mode.Jun 27 00:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited 'A Linux laptop with security at its core:...'Jun 27 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Newly-Built Software for Slackware | Tux MachinesJun 27 00:01
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited 'Walmart takes its Amazon battle to the clouds...'Jun 27 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen and More Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 27 00:01
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited '#SolydXK 9 Linux Distributions Enter Beta Based on...'Jun 27 00:01
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited 'Linux Kernels 4.4.74 LTS and 3.18.58 Fix Memory...'Jun 27 00:01
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited '#Huawei Continues Working On Protectable Memory Support For...'Jun 27 00:01
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited 'Kernel: AES-128-CBC Support, #Linux 4.12 5 Days Away,...'Jun 27 00:05
DaemonFCNice. Someone forked the old Faenza icons and continued it as Obsidian.Jun 27 00:15
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*TweetTuxMachines @itsfoss2 favourited '@itsfoss2 no, due to spam registrations we had...'Jun 27 00:58
TweetTuxMachines@itsfoss2        https://twitter.com/itsfoss2/status/879564567432613889Jun 27 00:58
TweetTuxMachines                 @tuxmachines Yes, please. I'll DM you the email ☺️Jun 27 00:58
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cubexyzoiaohm, do you know of any lists of firmware attacks? e.g. routers, video cards, motherboards etcJun 27 00:59
cubexyzI guess even hard drive firmware could possibly be attackedJun 27 01:00
cubexyzall sorts of rumours about killing a CRT with the wrong refresh rate Jun 27 01:06
cubexyzno idea if that's possible or notJun 27 01:06
cubexyzactually I'd be more worried about heat damage than a GPU "virus"Jun 27 01:10
cubexyzthere was the cookie monster on IBM mainframes...Jun 27 01:10
cubexyzlocked up the machine until the operator typed "cookie"Jun 27 01:11
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DaemonFChttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1465274Jun 27 01:45
oiaohmcubexyz: I don't know of a list other than my personal collection.Jun 27 01:53
oiaohmcubexyz: https://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/how-to/make-your-own-bad-usb-0165419/  the reality is if it has a writeable flash that alters the device function you have to allow on some attacker attempting it at some point.Jun 27 01:55
oiaohmcubexyz: there are examples of harddrive firmware being modified for a mixture of evil reasons.Jun 27 01:56
oiaohmDaemonFC: nice gnome bug that one.Jun 27 01:58
DaemonFChttps://webkit.org/blog/3476/content-blockers-first-look/Jun 27 01:59
DaemonFCoiaohm, What do you suppose is going on?Jun 27 02:00
oiaohmDaemonFC: do you mean by all the content blocker support stuff?   If so when you get in mobile having extra crap coming in is a real issue for networks.Jun 27 02:03
oiaohmDaemonFC: also with the fact google has said they are going to make it a default feature of their browser.Jun 27 02:04
oiaohmDaemonFC: I don't know where this will leave sites that have built their operational model around third party advertising.Jun 27 02:05
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVAmnV65_zwJun 27 02:06
cubexyzI don't see any way of altering the firmware remotelyJun 27 02:16
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/X2cj6Jun 27 02:18
oiaohmcubexyz: think of it as a privilege exploit.   If you can embedded into the hardware disinfection could be a lot harder.   Like a harddrive firmware infected clean install and breach code magically comes back.Jun 27 02:21
oiaohmcubexyz: its also why I don't have a big issue with firmware files instead of firmware on device.   Someways firmware files are able to be audited so devices without flash can be safer.Jun 27 02:22
cubexyzwhy don't manufacturers password protect write access to firmware?Jun 27 02:24
MinceRthat sounds like workJun 27 02:25
MinceRadding firmware write protect switches also sound like work, also the switches would be extra costJun 27 02:25
MinceRjust like adding a memory card slot to a mainboard to provide for easily replaceable readonly boot code would be extra costJun 27 02:25
MinceRso instead we have these half-assed hacks that don't work properlyJun 27 02:26
MinceRgot to love "modern" ITJun 27 02:26
MinceR(or they could use a jumper instead of a switch...)Jun 27 02:26
cubexyzthey didJun 27 02:27
cubexyzin some casesJun 27 02:27
cubexyzBIOS_WP optionJun 27 02:27
cubexyzonly problem is most motherboards don't have itJun 27 02:28
MinceRin software?Jun 27 02:28
oiaohmcubexyz: we are seeing signed firmwares in more cases now but you still have a lot of hardware with no protection.Jun 27 02:28
cubexyzno, an actual jumper Jun 27 02:28
MinceRicJun 27 02:28
oiaohmcubexyz: intel boot guard is one of the attempts to deal with this problem.Jun 27 02:28
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/bios-wp-option.txtJun 27 02:28
oiaohmcubexyz: it is a double sided sword.Jun 27 02:29
MinceRseems to me that preventing the owner from replacing firmware was more important than actual securityJun 27 02:29
oiaohmMinceR: its like a half fix.Jun 27 02:29
cubexyznow a jumper for video card firmware, I don't know if anyone ever did thatJun 27 02:29
cubexyzthe odd thing is all the motherboards that had BIOS_WP used P4 CPUJun 27 02:30
oiaohmBlock attacker from replacing firmware also block owner from replacing firmware when it defective.  So half fix.Jun 27 02:30
oiaohmWe need proper fixes to the firmware nightmare attack problems.Jun 27 02:31
cubexyzBIOS attacks are pretty rare thoughJun 27 02:31
MinceRperhaps that's when they realized they needed to protect the firmware from writing, but the half-assed signature-based non-solutions weren't available yetJun 27 02:31
cubexyzbut if I decide to experiment with coreboot, that's my perogativeJun 27 02:31
MinceRso you'd thinkJun 27 02:32
oiaohmThe first network spreading multi firmware infecting worm I know of was 1994.Jun 27 02:32
MinceRbut the megacorporate government has other ideasJun 27 02:32
oiaohmYes the bios write protect switch appeared after that for a while.Jun 27 02:32
MinceRs/gov/world gov/Jun 27 02:32
cubexyzbut then vanished... I can't recall seeing any modern motherboard with a jumper for thatJun 27 02:33
DaemonFCI'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as GNU/Linux, is in fact, Systemd/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Systemd plus Linux. GNU is not a modern userland unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Linux system that needs to be replaced by a shitty nonfunctional init system, broken logging system, and half-assed vital system components comprising a fully broken OS as defined Jun 27 02:33
DaemonFCby Lennart Poettering.Jun 27 02:33
DaemonFCMany computer users run a version of the Systemd system every day, without wanting it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Systemd/Linux which is widely used today often still contains some working GNU components, and many of its users are not aware that they need to be replaced by the Systemd system, developed by Lennart Poettering.Jun 27 02:33
DaemonFCThere really is a GNU/Linux, and some people are using it, but these people need to be forced to stop. Systemd is the light: the program in the system that owns the machine's resources and decides what other programs you can run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of Systemd. Linux should always be used in combination with the Systemd operating system: the whole Jun 27 02:33
oiaohmcubexyz: I do have a board from 2012 that has it but they have got rare and it a server class board.Jun 27 02:33
DaemonFCsystem is basically Systemd with Linux graciously hosted, or Systemd/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of Systemd/Linux!Jun 27 02:33
MinceRindeedJun 27 02:34
cubexyznot reallyJun 27 02:34
MinceRat least until they assassinate Linus and rename it to systemd-kerneldJun 27 02:34
cubexyzslack, gentoo, probably a bunch of other ones don't use systemdJun 27 02:34
MinceRtoo fewJun 27 02:34
oiaohmReally it the same problem we had in the time sysvinit was dominateJun 27 02:34
cubexyzand if you really wanted to be hard-core there's LFS without systemdJun 27 02:34
oiaohmLack of init system diversity is not a new problem.Jun 27 02:35
MinceRand the systemd shill is at it again, with the liesJun 27 02:35
MinceRtrying to force through the lie that systemd is "just an init system"Jun 27 02:35
oiaohmMinceR: its not a lie you can go through distrowatch lists of packages across different time frames.Jun 27 02:35
MinceRthere are other init systems, but your beloved NSA backdoor is not one of themJun 27 02:36
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oiaohmMinceR: if you do that you will notice lack of diversity is not a new thing.Jun 27 02:36
MinceRoiaohm: have you considered a career in politics?Jun 27 02:36
DaemonFCMinceR, I don't see any reason why logs are kept in a binary database.Jun 27 02:36
MinceRDaemonFC: tell that to the redhat shill over hereJun 27 02:36
DaemonFCWouldn't that mean that if one part of the database is corrupted, you can lose all of your logs?Jun 27 02:37
cubexyzfound one more...Jun 27 02:37
MinceRDaemonFC: that's the whole pointJun 27 02:37
MinceRalso bloating the log up with builtin core dumpsJun 27 02:37
cubexyzMSI 915GLM4-FJun 27 02:37
cubexyzany bets on it being a P4 board? :)Jun 27 02:37
MinceRso you get to delete logs if you want spaceJun 27 02:37
MinceRor buy more storageJun 27 02:37
DaemonFClogrotate put them in their own archives each day and then eventually got rid of them when there were more than you wanted.Jun 27 02:37
MinceRiirc journald's binary garbage can't even be properly rotatedJun 27 02:37
MinceRthough maybe someone hacked something up alreadyJun 27 02:38
DaemonFCMinceR, For a while, Fedora was running systemd-syslogd AND syslog at the same time.Jun 27 02:38
cubexyzyup, another P4 oneJun 27 02:38
MinceRlolJun 27 02:38
MinceRthat thing when even other redhat drones don't trust redhat's crapJun 27 02:38
oiaohmThe idea of journald is based of solaris binary logging that that damage will be detectable.Jun 27 02:39
MinceRdamage was already detectableJun 27 02:39
oiaohmMinceR: no it was not.Jun 27 02:40
MinceRjust do ps -p 1Jun 27 02:40
MinceRif it says systemd, the damage is doneJun 27 02:40
DaemonFCFedora has becoming a lot more like Solaris and IRIX in many ways.Jun 27 02:40
DaemonFCIt's a piece at a time.Jun 27 02:40
MinceRnext on today's program of bullshit: oiaohm claims you can't sign text logsJun 27 02:40
DaemonFCYou wouldn't notice with any single change.Jun 27 02:40
oiaohmMinceR: syslog could have log where bit had been overwritten and damaged with no clues that it had happened.Jun 27 02:40
oiaohmMinceR: part of the binary logging is signing.Jun 27 02:41
MinceRoiaohm: your beloved piece of trash can have 1 bit changed and you won't be able to figure out what happenedJun 27 02:41
oiaohmMinceR: that journald doesJun 27 02:41
MinceRmaybe your system got broken intoJun 27 02:41
oiaohmMinceR: Microsoft logging is not signned.Jun 27 02:41
MinceRmaybe you caught a cosmic rayJun 27 02:41
MinceRwho knows?Jun 27 02:41
oiaohmMinceR: this is one of the clues that tell you that systemd is being modeled after solaris.Jun 27 02:41
cubexyza bit-1 error in ASCII would be easy to fixJun 27 02:41
MinceRif they make it routine enough (perhaps just by programming in their usually sloppy way), the NSA agents won't even need to try to cover their tracksJun 27 02:42
MinceRi found oiaohm's motto!   http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/340982-if-you-can-t-dazzle-them-with-brilliance-baffle-them-withJun 27 02:43
oiaohmMinceR: really no you just like being insulting.Jun 27 02:45
oiaohmMinceR:  what information does syslog fail to record.Jun 27 02:45
MinceRalso, vms (winblows nt's ancestor) did binary logging before slowlaris even existedJun 27 02:46
MinceRbut don't let the facts get in the way of your systemd shillingJun 27 02:46
oiaohmMinceR: vms and Windows logging does not contain validation  stuff.Jun 27 02:46
oiaohmMinceR: harden logging has a different family tree.Jun 27 02:47
MinceRyeah, add one feature and suddenly it's a brand new ideaJun 27 02:47
oiaohmprogressively signed binary logging predates VMS.Jun 27 02:48
oiaohmSo this is not something from windows.Jun 27 02:48
MinceRso much for the slowlaris hypothesisJun 27 02:48
oiaohmSlowarias was last in the tree of progressively signed binary logging before systemd journald.Jun 27 02:49
oiaohmSo it the most likely source of it.Jun 27 02:49
MinceRhttp://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/379/532/43f.gifJun 27 02:49
oiaohmReally waste you time on stupid bullshit gifs you like.  The reality is you never looked under the hood to id what tech journald was you saw binary logging and pressmed that linked it windows.Jun 27 02:50
oiaohmThe type says it really does not.Jun 27 02:50
oiaohmThe type says it should have repair toolsJun 27 02:51
oiaohmThat systemd is badly lacking.Jun 27 02:51
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oiaohmMinceR: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/journal-files/  the feature name that tells you that you not looking at a windows or vms based log is Forward Secure SealingJun 27 02:56
oiaohmMinceR: Forward Secure Sealing predates existing of vms being used on binary logs.  Normally binary logs on hardened Unix systems.Jun 27 02:57
oiaohmMinceR: lot of the things that people say systemd has taken from windows when you look at what they are it absolutely not.Jun 27 02:58
DaemonFCI've hit some strange bugs, oiaohm Jun 27 02:59
DaemonFCI reported all of them.Jun 27 02:59
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oiaohmMinceR: there are a list of tools that should exist for a binary log with Forward secure sealing.   One is a forensic tool  To open them up and read the damaged sections.   That exists on hardened solaris and the different hardened unix before it.Jun 27 03:13
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MinceRoiaohm: are processes expensive on slowlaris?Jun 27 05:48
oiaohmMinceR: the low cost process model of Linux comes from the way Solaris does things and was written into the elf file format.      Processes being expensive is Windows/VMS thing. Jun 27 05:53
MinceRoiaohm: does slowlaris pretend processes are expensive?Jun 27 05:53
oiaohmMinceR: SMF in solaris was design to track services starting massive number processes because processes are not that much more expensive than starting a thread in solaris.Jun 27 05:55
MinceRso where does systemd's obsession with doing a ton of unrelated stuff in one process come from?Jun 27 05:56
oiaohmMinceR: sysvinit was designed around the theory that services would thread because processes were heavier than threads in sysvinit.Jun 27 05:56
oiaohmMinceR: correction in sysvJun 27 05:56
MinceR[citation needed]Jun 27 05:56
MinceRoiaohm: so where does systemd's obsession with doing a ton of unrelated stuff in one process come from?Jun 27 05:57
oiaohmPID usage to trace services on presume that there would be only 1 PID to a service is in your face with sysvinit.Jun 27 05:57
oiaohmWhat happens with SMF ideas mean sysvinit ideas you get systemd.Jun 27 05:58
MinceRoiaohm: so, was stuffing unrelated stuff together in one process an SMF idea?Jun 27 05:59
oiaohmMinceR: no its not.Jun 27 05:59
oiaohmThe idea is from sysvinit service design.Jun 27 06:00
MinceRoiaohm: what functions does sysvinit's init process serve?Jun 27 06:00
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oiaohmDesigning a service compatible with sysvinit.   Presumed 1 PID per service then you would use pthread under that.Jun 27 06:01
MinceRoiaohm: what functions does sysvinit's init process serve?Jun 27 06:01
oiaohmThe wrong idea does not come from the init of sysvinit.  Comes from design a service to be managed by sysvinit.Jun 27 06:02
oiaohmSo you have people who have been design services to be used under sysvinit then design a init system core.  Not a good idea.Jun 27 06:03
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MinceRoiaohm: what functions does cron serve?Jun 27 06:04
oiaohmMinceR: how to stuff a system is what cron servers when it dies.Jun 27 06:04
MinceRoiaohm: what functions does httpd serve?Jun 27 06:05
oiaohmMinceR: you have complained about systemd killing cron completely before.Jun 27 06:05
MinceRoiaohm: what functions does postfix serve?Jun 27 06:05
oiaohmMinceR: can you tell me why that is a good idea not a bad one.Jun 27 06:05
oiaohmMinceR: You are just listing off services to be annoying.Jun 27 06:05
oiaohmMinceR: you have raised cron do you know it defects.Jun 27 06:06
MinceRoiaohm: how is it that i keep coming up with typical services managed by sysvinit/rc that manage to do one thing per service?Jun 27 06:06
MinceRoiaohm: which of these is the inspiration for systemd's "design" of doing tons of unrelated things in one process?Jun 27 06:06
oiaohmCron is a really good example why sysvinit fails.Jun 27 06:06
oiaohmMinceR: but you don't know it defects right.Jun 27 06:07
MinceRoiaohm: so if it looks like systemd does have parallels with winblows, you change the subject. interesting.Jun 27 06:07
oiaohmMinceR: No I don't so far you have shown no evidence that there are any real parallels.Jun 27 06:07
oiaohmMinceR: other than what stupid idiots presume.Jun 27 06:08
MinceRoiaohm: no, you have so far ignored the evidence that there are real parallelsJun 27 06:08
oiaohmMinceR: when cron dies and you restart it what does cron do about any task that was left running.Jun 27 06:09
MinceRoiaohm: you have an interesting religionJun 27 06:09
oiaohmand what stops cron form starting those tasks twice.Jun 27 06:09
oiaohmOr more times.Jun 27 06:09
oiaohmMinceR: I have not ignored instead when you have suggested a parallel I have checked where those features have come from.Jun 27 06:10
MinceRoiaohm: and promptly ignored any inconvenient results?Jun 27 06:10
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oiaohmMinceR: no I have not.   The reality is all the ones I have check clearly track else where because there are key marker features like in logging the sealing that lead to older than windows.Jun 27 06:11
oiaohmMinceR: and not linked to VMS either.Jun 27 06:11
MinceRoiaohm: the reality is that you ignore the reality, or twist it until it supports your claims, and ignore the bits that contradict itJun 27 06:12
oiaohmMinceR: there might be a common link but is before VMS>Jun 27 06:12
MinceRoiaohm: so, what's that OS before VMS that is pathologically afraid of spawning new processes and optimizes for high probability of log corruption?Jun 27 06:12
oiaohmVMS did take some ideas form different UNIX OSs.Jun 27 06:12
MinceRVMS was designed along the only idea cutler had, which was "hurr durr i hate unix"Jun 27 06:13
oiaohmremember unix pthread userspace threading.   So yes on old unix starting a process was expensive.Jun 27 06:13
MinceRthreading is not the same thing as processes being expensiveJun 27 06:14
MinceRthere's a lot more to threading than just lightweight processesJun 27 06:14
oiaohmuserspace threading was time cheap in compare.Jun 27 06:14
MinceR(hint: IPC)Jun 27 06:14
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oiaohmMinceR: also systemd spawns a lot of processes.Jun 27 06:15
MinceRyet ignores the possibility when it would make the most senseJun 27 06:16
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oiaohmI would correct that it ignores some cases where it makes sense to spawn processes.   There are quite a few cases where it does do it correctly.   The service management engine of systemd could be broken down more than what it is.Jun 27 06:20
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oiaohmMinceR: do remember SMF first generation made the same mistake of having service management engine and init in one binary.Jun 27 06:22
oiaohmMinceR: systemd makes it worse having user session management shoved into the same binary as well.Jun 27 06:22
MinceRand parsing unit filesJun 27 06:22
MinceRand doing the job of cron, atd, [x]inetd badlyJun 27 06:23
oiaohmMinceR: parsing solaris xml init files were in SMF core as well with first version.Jun 27 06:23
MinceRyay, sun is clueless too!Jun 27 06:23
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oiaohmLater versions of SMF broke out cron, atd and inetd replacements as well.Jun 27 06:23
oiaohmso systemd is way too much like first version SMF.Jun 27 06:24
MinceRit's also way too much like windowsJun 27 06:24
MinceRand also way too much like macosJun 27 06:24
oiaohmWindows cron equal was never merged into the init system.Jun 27 06:24
MinceR(it's poettering's way or the highway)Jun 27 06:24
oiaohmThis is the problem each of those merge parts says solaris.Jun 27 06:25
oiaohmThe list don't match to the way windows is or has been assembled.Jun 27 06:25
MinceRyes, in your obsessionsJun 27 06:25
oiaohmfirst generation SMF is exact match.Jun 27 06:25
MinceRtalking to you is singularly unproductiveJun 27 06:25
oiaohmSo systemd is an attempt to bring SMF to linux based off first version.Jun 27 06:26
oiaohmToo much stuff matches.Jun 27 06:26
oiaohmbinary logging included features match solaris hardened binary logging.Jun 27 06:27
oiaohmMinceR: basically look at systemd compare to windows and solaris every time solaris comes out being the closest match.Jun 27 06:27
MinceRexcept for the cases you ignoreJun 27 06:28
MinceRbecause they don't fit into your modelJun 27 06:28
oiaohmWhat case have I ignored.Jun 27 06:28
MinceRbut ok, you convinced me that slowlaris is also atrociousJun 27 06:28
oiaohmNote solaris changed a set of things after the first version of SMF like splitting init and service management.Jun 27 06:29
oiaohmand also splitting out user session management.Jun 27 06:29
oiaohmThese splits have not happened in systemd.Jun 27 06:29
oiaohmI see systemd as a really bad copy.Jun 27 06:30
oiaohmMinceR: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa814329(v=vs.85).aspx read the description of windows binary logging.   This is nothing like journal files https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/journal-files/Jun 27 06:35
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oiaohmMinceR: only thing in common is the word binary.Jun 27 06:35
oiaohmMinceR: if I can find the solaris hardened logging format the append to end method that journal is using is the same as what is uses.Jun 27 06:37
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MinceRoiaohm: and if it is not the same then you can't find it.Jun 27 07:02
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oiaohmMinceR: really you have never presented any data about any of your claims that there is a structure match.Jun 27 07:04
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oiaohmMinceR: when something is copied from something there is normally some design structure copied.Jun 27 07:05
MinceRoiaohm: really, i was talking about ideas, not code headersJun 27 07:05
MinceRand attitudesJun 27 07:05
MinceRoiaohm: also, if i wanted to run slowlaris, then i'd just run slowlarisJun 27 07:05
oiaohmBut the ideas when they are copied show up in design structure.Jun 27 07:05
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oiaohmWindows might have releated ideas but that is not where the systemd developers have been coping their ideas form there is just too much miss match.Jun 27 07:06
MinceRand so binariness shows up in the "design"Jun 27 07:06
MinceRit's not like they could be copying from multiple atrocious productsJun 27 07:07
oiaohmSMF first version 1 binary did everything.Jun 27 07:07
oiaohmThat was never present in windows.Jun 27 07:07
MinceRdid they have kdbus?Jun 27 07:07
oiaohmSolaris kernel IPC.Jun 27 07:07
oiaohmThat is more designed to user usage than most of the Linux kernel ones.Jun 27 07:07
MinceRwas slowlaris' rationale for it "we don't know where the overhead is, but we can't be arsed to profile anything, so we'll just assume it's mode switching and throw it in the kernel"?Jun 27 07:08
oiaohmsolaris has dtrace and dtrace was used after solaris added the Ipc for user applications.Jun 27 07:09
MinceRso?Jun 27 07:09
oiaohmSo same rational screw up.Jun 27 07:10
oiaohmSome of the reason for slowarisJun 27 07:10
MinceRi can't follow thatJun 27 07:10
oiaohmMinceR: a stack of features were added the the solaris kernel that they profiled after the case then had to remove a stack of them.Jun 27 07:11
MinceRicJun 27 07:11
oiaohmMinceR: so fairly much everything talking about kinda happened at solaris first and the systemd guys did not learn from their failures.Jun 27 07:12
oiaohmBut then copy solaris failures.Jun 27 07:12
MinceRthat doesn't sound like deliberately copying the design, just being stupid in the exact same wayJun 27 07:12
oiaohmwhen you get to 150+ matches you start thinking this has to be more than dumb luck.Jun 27 07:13
MinceRi don't see the point of copying old failuresJun 27 07:14
MinceRbut maybe i'm just not irrational enough to follow those peopleJun 27 07:14
oiaohmI can see how it could happen.    If you had solaris from a particular point in time and no newer and were using that a reference to duplicate.   You would be missing all the fixes.Jun 27 07:16
oiaohmLike the argument to avoid context switches was in the ipc for SMF that was merged in solaris.  The argument for kdbus and the solaris user ipc was almost the same wording.Jun 27 07:18
MinceRi guessJun 27 07:18
MinceRif you never stopped to think whether the things you were copying were actually workableJun 27 07:18
oiaohmIt was not like SMF version 1 did not fix a few issues.  So if you were focused in on fixing those issues you could have ignored some of the other issues.Jun 27 07:20
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oiaohmMinceR: tunnel vision effect in code development can be major cause of trouble.Jun 27 07:21
oiaohmMinceR: not test casing cgroup properly off the start line with systemd does suggest at the start they were not thinking about if the solution would 100 percent work as well.Jun 27 07:24
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MinceRthey still don't care, apparentlyJun 27 07:25
MinceRyears after it was proclaimed to be "stable"Jun 27 07:25
MinceRi don't expect this project to ever be fixedJun 27 07:25
MinceRthey don't have the right attitude for thatJun 27 07:25
oiaohmMinceR: they did develop test cases of cgroup v1 in the end that proved it was broken and put test cases on cgroup v2.Jun 27 07:25
MinceRand then they gave up?Jun 27 07:26
oiaohmMinceR: but that should not been 6 years into development.Jun 27 07:26
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oiaohmMinceR: solaris test cases and fixed zones 6 months into SMF development.  If 6 months in SMF is 6 years in systemd developlment we should see it break up into bits 2026Jun 27 07:31
MinceRand actually stable in 2046?Jun 27 07:31
oiaohmsome point around then yes.Jun 27 07:31
MinceRand fit for integration into non-redhat distros in 2050?Jun 27 07:31
oiaohmI am not exacty game to say systemd cannot be fixed.  Because looking at how SMF was changed over time suggest it is fixable.Jun 27 07:32
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MinceRi think they'll either forget about it entirely and do something different well before it could be fixedJun 27 07:34
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MinceRor they'll forget all the tickets and everything that could (and should) have been learned and start overJun 27 07:35
MinceR(CADT model)Jun 27 07:35
oiaohmThere is room for something better to be developed.Jun 27 07:35
MinceRnot a high standardJun 27 07:35
MinceRsystemd is one of the worst designs i've encounteredJun 27 07:35
MinceRit could be used to demonstrate what not to do in software engineering 101Jun 27 07:35
MinceR(a course poettering did not learn)Jun 27 07:35
oiaohmsysvinit has quite a few demo of how not to write specification for a design.Jun 27 07:36
MinceRcan't have that much, as it's relatively trivialJun 27 07:36
MinceRa bit overdone, but nowhere near systemdJun 27 07:37
oiaohmReally we need a properly designed init and service management system.  Done to mathematically certified standard.Jun 27 07:37
oiaohmAt some point we had to move on from sysvinit ways of doing things.Jun 27 07:41
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MinceRyou had to. i don't see why you had to force others to go with you.Jun 27 08:02
oiaohmThe list of defects in sysvinit that were not addressed had to be addressed at some pointJun 27 08:03
oiaohmand that what has happened.  something appears that deals with some of the sysvinit issues and groups changed.Jun 27 08:03
oiaohmOf course what has appeared is lacking in some areas still.Jun 27 08:04
oiaohmthe problem here is ignoring the defects in sysvinit and not starting to design functional replacements have brought us to this point.Jun 27 08:05
MinceRwhen addressing defects, the idea is usually not to make them even worseJun 27 08:18
MinceRbut to fix them.Jun 27 08:19
MinceRno, that did not bring us to this pointJun 27 08:19
MinceRratcrap's greed and lust for power and poettering's extreme incompetence and the community being flooded with clueless lusers is what brought us to this pointJun 27 08:19
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iRCstillexistsJust stopped in to complain about Microsoft and believe the world would be better if ISIS stopped targeting regular ppl and just went after sh** silicon valley companies.Jun 27 10:00
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HellenicoWhen the greek representative left the greek patent office, the BB kept him as president of the finance and budget committee for another two yearsJun 27 11:36
Hellenicoillegally of courseJun 27 11:36
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HellenicoAnd why???Jun 27 11:37
HellenicoThe answer is obviousJun 27 11:37
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schestowitzhiJun 27 11:38
HellenicoSerafeim Stasinos at that time was rather stronger than the danish counterpartJun 27 11:38
HellenicoHi thereJun 27 11:38
schestowitzI heard something like this...Jun 27 11:38
schestowitzAbout Greek finance people at EPOJun 27 11:38
HellenicoThis greek guy is a master in bullyingJun 27 11:38
HellenicoYou should ask the greek emplyees aboutJun 27 11:39
schestowitzis he the one work worked for a greek lady?Jun 27 11:39
HellenicoLong before than BB!!!Jun 27 11:39
schestowitzcan you start it from the beginning (background)?Jun 27 11:39
HellenicoSure!!!Jun 27 11:39
HellenicoAsk me whatever you wantJun 27 11:39
schestowitzwe can then request email leaksJun 27 11:40
schestowitzdo we know who applied for JK's position?Jun 27 11:40
schestowitzMaybe Ernst?Jun 27 11:40
schestowitzDE usually abstains on BB proposalsJun 27 11:40
HellenicoNot sure yetJun 27 11:40
schestowitzmaybe Campinos?Jun 27 11:40
schestowitzI saw him mentioned several times in the news last weekJun 27 11:40
HellenicoBingo!!!!Jun 27 11:41
schestowitzso anyway, what's the Greek thing?Jun 27 11:41
schestowitz[16:37] <Hellenico> The answer is obviousJun 27 11:41
schestowitznot obvious to meJun 27 11:41
HellenicoThe other best friendJun 27 11:41
schestowitzanyone but grossenbacherJun 27 11:42
schestowitzformer friendJun 27 11:42
schestowitzbut too powerful, not supine enough anymore, does not quality (was there before)Jun 27 11:42
schestowitz*qualifyJun 27 11:42
HellenicoLots of money in Bb's pocket while the greek representative was president of the finance and budget committeeJun 27 11:42
schestowitzI'd like to know who appliedJun 27 11:42
schestowitzsomeone inside the Council/Board surely knowsJun 27 11:42
HellenicoCampinos is one name that I heard tooJun 27 11:43
schestowitzso was it BB's way of buying Greeks' votes?Jun 27 11:43
HellenicoBut also there is a rumour about the italian representativeJun 27 11:43
HellenicoA ladyJun 27 11:43
HellenicoThis information comes from epiJun 27 11:45
schestowitzwhat is this rumour?Jun 27 11:45
HellenicoTo appoint someone whose name is not involved in anything so fatJun 27 11:45
HellenicoAnd at the same time can be manipulated Jun 27 11:46
schestowitzwhat is the name?Jun 27 11:47
HellenicoLoredan GullinoJun 27 11:48
HellenicoLoredana sorryJun 27 11:48
schestowitzepi made a statement or just hearsayJun 27 11:49
schestowitz?Jun 27 11:49
HellenicoHearsay i am afraidJun 27 11:49
schestowitzthere seems to be infighting there over BBJun 27 11:49
schestowitzas they removed their own letterJun 27 11:49
schestowitzI don't understand their politics, but I guess it's like Team UPC vs firms that don't care for the UPCJun 27 11:50
HellenicoThe issue is that whoever will be, nothing changesJun 27 11:50
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HellenicoThe representatives make their own deals, as bb is quite generous to them...Jun 27 11:51
HellenicoI lll give you the greek example again Jun 27 11:51
HellenicoTwo years ago the greek representative changes again Jun 27 11:51
HellenicoAn comes from the left partyJun 27 11:51
Hellenicoat the begining he opposed to bb, and some months later become bb´ s puppetJun 27 11:52
HellenicoSoory for the wrong words, it is the autocorrectJun 27 11:53
schestowitzIt's still too vague to be something one can write aboutJun 27 11:54
schestowitzmaybe some documents would demonstrate the position changesJun 27 11:54
HellenicoIoannis Kaplanis is the "left" representative at the AC ....Jun 27 11:55
HellenicoI' ll try to find sthJun 27 11:55
schestowitzhang on, flood/ddos attackJun 27 11:56
HellenicoI ll be back again in a couple of days if i have a documentJun 27 11:56
schestowitzvergibot againJun 27 11:56
schestowitzplease, yes, need documents if possibleJun 27 11:56
schestowitzor old emailsJun 27 11:56
HellenicoOkJun 27 11:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/879736662040903682Jun 27 12:23
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #RedHat 'Community' and Older #Fedora PicksJun 27 12:23
TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief      https://t.co/JGCtiJpMX7 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 27 12:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat 'Community' and Older Fedora Picks | Tux MachinesJun 27 12:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879736976089522177Jun 27 12:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #OnePlus 5 review: This mid-range Android phone is speedyJun 27 12:25
TweetTuxMachines                 inside, but stale outside https://t.co/w1wtKdlm58Jun 27 12:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linuxJun 27 12:25
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange They are not so bright. There was...'Jun 27 12:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879738534814519296Jun 27 12:33
TweetTuxMachines                 10 Most important open source networking projectsJun 27 12:33
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/lSygVSpB2p (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 27 12:33
TweetTuxMachines                 #networkingJun 27 12:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879739301738754050Jun 27 12:37
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Open Source Raspberry Pi Tablet Hits Kickstarter (video)Jun 27 12:37
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/YltXFpri1T (www.tuxmachines.org) #raspiJun 27 12:37
TweetTuxMachines                 #tablet #gnu #linuxJun 27 12:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Source Raspberry Pi Tablet Hits Kickstarter (video) | Tux MachinesJun 27 12:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879740521853452289Jun 27 12:40
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Nokia3 review: Nokia plus Android is a winningJun 27 12:40
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    combination https://t.co/6XUbRN5sNG (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 27 12:40
TweetTuxMachines                 #android #linux #nokiaJun 27 12:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nokia 3 review: Nokia plus Android is a winning combination | Tux MachinesJun 27 12:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879741299146055680Jun 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #OnePlus 5 review: This mid-range Android phone is speedyJun 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    inside, but stale outside https://t.co/w1wtKdlm58Jun 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linuxJun 27 12:41
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*TweetTuxMachines @nsqsdkv favourited '#OnePlus 5 review: This mid-range Android phone is...'Jun 27 12:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879741920087605248Jun 27 12:47
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    10 Most important open source networking projectsJun 27 12:47
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/lSygVSpB2p (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 27 12:47
TweetTuxMachines                 #networkingJun 27 12:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Do they have a goal...'Jun 27 12:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Do they have a goal other than...'Jun 27 13:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/cybershellsec/status/879747148778278914Jun 27 13:07
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Nokia3 review: Nokia plus Android is a winningJun 27 13:07
TweetTuxMachines @cybershellsec  combination https://t.co/6XUbRN5sNG (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 27 13:07
TweetTuxMachines                 #android #linux #nokiaJun 27 13:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879747904105271297Jun 27 13:08
TweetTuxMachines                 #MATE Possibly Adopting #MirJun 27 13:08
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/QaN2zk7zD1 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 27 13:08
TweetTuxMachines                 #graphics #waylandJun 27 13:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#MATE Possibly Adopting #Mir https://t.co/QaN2zk7zD1 #gnu #linux...'Jun 27 13:16
*TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief retweeted @tuxmachines: '#MATE Possibly Adopting #Mir https://t.co/QaN2zk7zD1 #gnu #linux...'Jun 27 13:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879750187002056705Jun 27 13:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Games: #DawnofWar III, #ScannerSombre, #WorldofOne, andJun 27 13:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #XCOM2Jun 27 13:19
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/ROOmrY5Ji4 (www.tuxmachines.org) #games #gnuJun 27 13:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #gamingJun 27 13:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Dawn of War III, Scanner Sombre, World of One, and XCOM 2 | Tux MachinesJun 27 13:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Games: #DawnofWar III, #ScannerSombre, #WorldofOne, and #XCOM2 ...'Jun 27 13:23
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @theSNP SNP also wants to stay in...'Jun 27 13:23
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @theSNP SNP also wants to...'Jun 27 13:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879752343990013954Jun 27 13:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux #Graphics and Performance: #NVIDIA, #AMDGPU PRO,Jun 27 13:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #GStreamer, #Radeon #Vega, #Vulkan, and #DRMJun 27 13:25
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/KSCEtvV3RJ (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 27 13:25
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Linux #Graphics and Performance: #NVIDIA, #AMDGPU PRO, #GStreamer,...'Jun 27 13:26
*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited '#Linux #Graphics and Performance: #NVIDIA, #AMDGPU PRO, #GStreamer,...'Jun 27 13:30
*TweetTuxMachines @ExponetUSA retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Linux #Graphics and Performance: #NVIDIA, #AMDGPU PRO, #GStreamer,...'Jun 27 13:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879753978376052736Jun 27 13:34
TweetTuxMachines                 openSUSE Leap Is Now 99.9% Enterprise DistributionJun 27 13:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/P60hmyRuei (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 27 13:34
TweetTuxMachines                 #suse #opensuse #gnu #linuxJun 27 13:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Leap Is Now 99.9% Enterprise Distribution | Tux MachinesJun 27 13:34
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'openSUSE Leap Is Now 99.9% Enterprise Distribution https://t.co/P60hmyRuei...'Jun 27 13:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879755149178281985Jun 27 13:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #GitHub declares every Friday open source dayJun 27 13:36
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/9jFoa9tGUv (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 27 13:36
TweetTuxMachines                  #freesw #programmingJun 27 13:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GitHub declares every Friday open source day | Tux MachinesJun 27 13:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Linux #Graphics and Performance: #NVIDIA, #AMDGPU PRO, #GStreamer,...'Jun 27 13:37
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Well done on trolling/provoking the TORYgraph. They're...'Jun 27 13:39
*TweetTuxMachines @lucasoft_co_uk favourited '#GitHub declares every Friday open source day https://t.co/9jFoa9tGUv...'Jun 27 13:39
TweetTuxMachines@CodeIsGo_com    https://twitter.com/CodeIsGo_com/status/879756140124549126Jun 27 13:40
TweetTuxMachines                 RT @tuxmachines: #GitHub declares every Friday openJun 27 13:40
TweetTuxMachines                 source dayJun 27 13:40
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/D3PJ1xzIle (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 27 13:40
TweetTuxMachines                  #freesw #programmingJun 27 13:40
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*TweetTuxMachines @lucasoft_co_uk favourited 'Sony's unorthodox take on AI is now open...'Jun 27 13:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879756275491508225Jun 27 13:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #GNOMEShell and #GNOME Activities Overview CloneJun 27 13:41
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/qm6lsTkQcy (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 27 13:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Shell and GNOME Activities Overview Clone | Tux MachinesJun 27 13:42
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden Weaponised by the US government. Those who...'Jun 27 13:42
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Snowden Weaponised by the US government....'Jun 27 13:45
*TweetTuxMachines @lucasoft_co_uk favourited '#Linux #Graphics and Performance: #NVIDIA, #AMDGPU PRO, #GStreamer,...'Jun 27 13:46
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TweetTuxMachines@CodeIsGo_com    https://twitter.com/CodeIsGo_com/status/879757667715219456Jun 27 13:49
TweetTuxMachines                 RT@tuxmachines: #Linux #Graphics and Performance:Jun 27 13:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #NVIDIA, #AMDGPU PRO, #GStreamer, #Radeon #Vega, #VulkanJun 27 13:49
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/dyctJdeEhj (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 27 13:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics and Performance: NVIDIA, AMDGPU-PRO, GStreamer, Radeon Vega, Vulkan, and DRM | Tux MachinesJun 27 13:49
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden Bug doors or back doors come at...'Jun 27 13:49
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Snowden Bug doors or back doors...'Jun 27 13:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879758848311078912Jun 27 13:50
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #GitHub declares every Friday open source dayJun 27 13:50
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/9jFoa9tGUv (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 27 13:50
TweetTuxMachines                  #freesw #programmingJun 27 13:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GitHub declares every Friday open source day | Tux MachinesJun 27 13:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879758866552115201Jun 27 13:52
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #GNOMEShell and #GNOME Activities Overview CloneJun 27 13:52
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/qm6lsTkQcy (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 27 13:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/bestariwebhost/status/879759222866575360Jun 27 14:03
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #GNOMEShell and #GNOME Activities Overview CloneJun 27 14:03
TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost   https://t.co/qm6lsTkQcy (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 27 14:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879762087442100224Jun 27 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #Lumina Desktop 1.3 Released with Own, Default MaterialJun 27 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Design Icon Themes https://t.co/x4eCCh9Ly8Jun 27 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unixJun 27 14:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lumina Desktop 1.3 Released with Own, Default Material Design Icon Themes | Tux MachinesJun 27 14:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/cybershellsec/status/879762336692805633Jun 27 14:05
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Linux #Graphics and Performance: #NVIDIA, #AMDGPU PRO,Jun 27 14:05
TweetTuxMachines @cybershellsec  #GStreamer, #Radeon #Vega, #Vulkan, and #DRMJun 27 14:05
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/KSCEtvV3RJ (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 27 14:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879762396616720385Jun 27 14:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/DIJytoOr4eJun 27 14:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #nokia #lglgJun 27 14:07
TweetTuxMachines                 #oneplus #india #honorJun 27 14:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 27 14:07
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Lumina Desktop 1.3 Released with Own, Default Material...'Jun 27 14:08
*TweetTuxMachines @cybershellsec retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/DIJytoOr4e #android #linux #nokia #lglg #oneplus...'Jun 27 14:10
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden @NSAGov How many times has #cia done...'Jun 27 14:10
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Snowden @NSAGov How many times has...'Jun 27 14:11
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/DIJytoOr4e #android #linux #nokia #lglg #oneplus...'Jun 27 14:13
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Lumina Desktop 1.3 Released with Own, Default Material...'Jun 27 14:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879765283845656577Jun 27 14:17
TweetTuxMachines                 #UbuntuCore Now Officially Supported for Raspberry PiJun 27 14:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Compute Module 3 (CM3) https://t.co/wmtnYLDXm3Jun 27 14:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #canonical #ubuntu #gnu #linuxJun 27 14:17
TweetTuxMachines                 #raspiJun 27 14:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Core Now Officially Supported for Raspberry Pi Compute Module 3 (CM3) | Tux MachinesJun 27 14:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879765469900754945Jun 27 14:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #ArchLinux -Based #ArchEX Distro Updated with #LXQtJun 27 14:19
TweetTuxMachines                 0.11.1 and #Linux #Kernel 4.11.6 https://t.co/bj5RmjCYJ4Jun 27 14:19
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 27 14:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arch Linux-Based ArchEX Distro Updated with LXQt 0.11.1 and Linux Kernel 4.11.6 | Tux MachinesJun 27 14:19
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden @NSAGov Maybe the NSA will be given...'Jun 27 14:19
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Snowden @NSAGov Maybe the NSA will...'Jun 27 14:20
TweetTuxMachines@lucasoft_co_uk  https://twitter.com/lucasoft_co_uk/status/879766347164643328Jun 27 14:21
TweetTuxMachines                 RT @tuxmachines: Sony's unorthodox take on AI is now openJun 27 14:21
TweetTuxMachines                 sourceJun 27 14:21
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/ySCr3aAGcg (www.tuxmachines.org) #sonyJun 27 14:21
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #aiJun 27 14:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn The movement to dethrone the Nasty Party...'Jun 27 14:21
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn The movement to dethrone the...'Jun 27 14:24
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#UbuntuCore Now Officially Supported for Raspberry Pi Compute...'Jun 27 14:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879767885668917251Jun 27 14:33
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #ArchLinux -Based #ArchEX Distro Updated with #LXQtJun 27 14:34
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    0.11.1 and #Linux #Kernel 4.11.6 https://t.co/bj5RmjCYJ4Jun 27 14:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 27 14:34
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden @NSAGov The NSA created these tools to...'Jun 27 14:34
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Snowden @NSAGov The NSA created these...'Jun 27 14:36
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden @nytimes Where was the #nytimes when Chelsea...'Jun 27 14:36
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Snowden @nytimes Where was the #nytimes...'Jun 27 14:46
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden @NSAGov Should have moved to #gnu #linux...'Jun 27 14:49
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Binary_Defense @Snowden Better: wipe #microsoft #windows and install...'Jun 27 14:49
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Binary_Defense @Snowden Better: wipe #microsoft #windows...'Jun 27 15:02
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@razhael @Snowden Because hospitals in the US -...'Jun 27 15:02
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @razhael @Snowden Because hospitals in the...'Jun 27 15:10
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden @NSAGov Microsoft has, according to your own...'Jun 27 15:10
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Snowden @NSAGov Microsoft has, according to...'Jun 27 15:10
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#UbuntuCore Now Officially Supported for Raspberry Pi Compute...'Jun 27 15:11
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#ArchLinux -Based #ArchEX Distro Updated with #LXQt 0.11.1...'Jun 27 15:14
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#UbuntuCore Now Officially Supported for Raspberry Pi Compute...'Jun 27 15:14
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#ArchLinux -Based #ArchEX Distro Updated with #LXQt 0.11.1...'Jun 27 15:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/879781085906964480Jun 27 15:22
TweetTuxMachines                 #Ubuntu #Kylin, a Linux Distribution with a MicrosoftJun 27 15:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Windows ExperienceJun 27 15:22
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/hypbEDWmMT (www.tuxmachines.org) #china #gnuJun 27 15:22
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 27 15:22
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Ubuntu #Kylin, a Linux Distribution with a Microsoft...'Jun 27 15:28
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden More &more people ought to confront media/journalists...'Jun 27 15:30
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden Maybe it's a wakeup call for them:...'Jun 27 15:30
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Snowden Maybe it's a wakeup call...'Jun 27 15:30
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange More &more people ought to confront media/journalists...'Jun 27 15:30
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EricCromwellJust wanted to drop a line to Dr SchestowitzJun 27 15:44
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EricCromwellOn the Microsoft and NSA wiki page there is a grammatical error I was going to suggest an edit for but oddly, I am blocked, though I have never visited this page before ever.Jun 27 15:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited 'A lot of the corporate media these days...'Jun 27 15:46
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks One must also ask, why...'Jun 27 15:46
EricCromwellThe error i saw was "not the just Internet/communications level; " instead of "not just the"Jun 27 15:47
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks One must also ask, why did #microsoft...'Jun 27 15:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/adymitruk/status/879788794093817856Jun 27 15:52
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Ubuntu #Kylin, a Linux Distribution with a MicrosoftJun 27 15:52
TweetTuxMachines @adymitruk      Windows ExperienceJun 27 15:52
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/hypbEDWmMT (www.tuxmachines.org) #china #gnuJun 27 15:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 27 15:52
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DaemonFCI posted:Jun 27 16:08
DaemonFCThere was a project to use the JavaScript engine of Webkit instead of GJS but it stalled out. Mozilla's Spidermonkey engine doesn't perform badly, but with the way Mozilla has gone, more projects that used to be usable by themselves are being folded into Firefox and having anything that doesn't make sense in the context of Firefox removed, so Gnome may regret going the way that they did with GJS. Not only is the JavaScript engine for Webkit Jun 27 16:08
DaemonFCdeveloped outside of the context of a web browser, it's already provided by Webkit's GTK port, which is already a part of Gnome to power anything that needs web rendering capabilities, including the help system, the Gnome Web (Epiphany) browser, and HTML emails in Evolution.Jun 27 16:08
DaemonFCYou'd think that it would be once bitten twice shy after the debacle of depending on XulRunner to provide a web engine for Gnome 2.x, especially during the transition from it to Webkit, where Epiphany (Gnome Web) had to have an abstraction layer instead of a rendering engine because it could be compiled with either XulRunner or Webkit for a couple of release cycles. The abstraction layer was awful. It really crippled the browser, and it was Jun 27 16:08
DaemonFCthe cause of a lot of crashes too.Jun 27 16:08
DaemonFCAlthough Gnome now claims that there will be no extension breakage in the future, if they have to change the JavaScript engine that powers the shell, _everything_ could potentially break. I presume that if it comes to that, they'd rather hobble around with a fork of Mozilla's JavaScript engine until they could break compatibility with everything again and call it Gnome 4. It's foolish to expect consistency from Mozilla at this point. Jun 27 16:08
DaemonFCMaybe I should also mention that GJS hasn't been smooth sailing lately. It's crashed more times than I care to think about in Fedora 26. They keep adding patches and bumping the version, but it doesn't seem to be getting much more stable, for me at least.Jun 27 16:11
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XRevan86GJS… Isn't that GObject Introspection for JavaScript?Jun 27 16:17
MinceRcould be a javascript -> native toolchain in gcc :>Jun 27 16:18
XRevan86DaemonFC: Different versions of mozjs are not fully compatible with each otherJun 27 16:18
XRevan86yet GJS has no troubles migrating from one to another :)Jun 27 16:18
DaemonFCMinceR, It's what provides JavaScript to the Gnome Shell.Jun 27 16:20
DaemonFCGnome's interface is largely written in JavaScript.Jun 27 16:20
XRevan86A car passed by outside the window with loud music, which is C. C. Catch.Jun 27 16:20
MinceRicJun 27 16:20
DaemonFCmeans you can extend it to do just about anything.Jun 27 16:21
MinceRbtw, are you aware of deep sandboxing support in language implementations other than javascript and java?Jun 27 16:21
DaemonFCSo even though the default layout is retarded, it can be fixed up with extensions.Jun 27 16:21
MinceR(deep as in it doesn't completely hinge on what symbols the sandboxed code is allowed to see)Jun 27 16:21
MinceRi guess there's also QuakeC, but i'd rather not adopt thatJun 27 16:22
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XRevan86> It's what provides JavaScript to the Gnome ShellJun 27 16:23
XRevan86It's really literally GObject Introspection bindings for JSJun 27 16:23
MinceR:)Jun 27 16:26
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DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/959738-mate-developers-are-considering-mir-over-wayland?p=959838#post959838Jun 27 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MATE Developers Are Considering Mir-Over-Wayland - Phoronix ForumsJun 27 16:36
DaemonFCBroken by default and no obvious way to fix KDE does not equal "the best".Jun 27 16:36
DaemonFCAlso, littering the system with features that don't work (like inline spell check) is not acceptable. Jun 27 16:36
DaemonFCAlso, how do you make SDDM scale? There is no setting to make it scale in the KDE control panel.Jun 27 16:36
DaemonFCKDE is rotting from the inside out. Their last truly great release was 3.5.11. They can't really seem to properly maintain what they currently have, much less take on anything new.Jun 27 16:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | United Nations Convention against Torture - WikipediaJun 27 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | UK human rights record under pressure from UN torture panel | Law | The GuardianJun 27 16:37
DaemonFCThey seem to have a pattern of waiting until everything is working and then trashing it and starting over from scratch.Jun 27 16:37
DaemonFCI know that the 5 series is a continuation of the 4 series ported to Qt5, but boy are things deteriorating...Jun 27 16:38
DaemonFCPretending that the applications need to be separated from the desktop is where things seem to have really gone bad.Jun 27 16:38
XRevan86DaemonFC: They do need to though.Jun 27 16:39
DaemonFCIt seems like they stopped caring about integration because three or four people in the world might want to use their software on Windows, Mac, or Gnome.Jun 27 16:39
DaemonFCNot having a coherent release of the entire system is really hurting them.Jun 27 16:39
XRevan86DaemonFC: Ah, I thought you mean separation of kdelibs into more modules and better work outside of KDEJun 27 16:40
DaemonFCIt creates a mess of combinations that become possible, where instead of "Oh, I'm running KDE 5.10", it's "Well, I'm on suse and they packaged this version of that application on top of this version of the Plasma desktop.".Jun 27 16:40
XRevan86because KDE 5 applications definitely work better outside of KDE than KDE 4 ones wereJun 27 16:40
DaemonFCThen there's no way to pin problems down to a particular release of the entire project.Jun 27 16:41
DaemonFCThey use private libs and everything. It's a toxic hellstew, to borrow a phrase.Jun 27 16:41
DaemonFCAt least with Gnome you can tell someone "My distribution provides Gnome 3.24." and they immediately know what it is that you're running.Jun 27 16:42
DaemonFCHow to reproduce it.Jun 27 16:42
DaemonFCWhat version of a library that program is using.Jun 27 16:42
DaemonFCWhen there's a bug, being able to reproduce it reliably is key. Jun 27 16:43
XRevan86That explains why GNOME developers always bump their requirements to the maxJun 27 16:43
DaemonFC?Jun 27 16:44
DaemonFCIt's a self-contained project.Jun 27 16:44
DaemonFCTheir answer is literally "Well, I'm glad that Cheese works for you in KDE, but we really don't care if it does or not outside of Gnome.".Jun 27 16:45
XRevan86DaemonFC: When gettext became self-reliant, GNOME didn't wait and killed intltool in an instantJun 27 16:45
DaemonFCTrying to support a million possible combinations is a recipe for disaster.Jun 27 16:45
XRevan86Always wants the latest GTK+ which makes backports very hard (not that I care)Jun 27 16:46
DaemonFCKDE's bugzilla is turning into something even worse than Ubuntu Launchpad.Jun 27 16:46
DaemonFCLike, you have a dozen "me toos" and then the bug just becomes a zombie.Jun 27 16:46
DaemonFCThree years later, you have the same bug and there's still no resolution.Jun 27 16:47
DaemonFCI cherry picked some patches this morning.Jun 27 16:48
DaemonFCOne was a security vulnerability in systemd.Jun 27 16:48
DaemonFCMinceR's favorite package.Jun 27 16:48
MinceRthere's a shockerJun 27 16:48
MinceRa security vulnerability in a massive hairball that was hacked up in c without any care?Jun 27 16:49
DaemonFC- Fix an out-of-bounds write in systemd-resolved (CVE-2017-9445)Jun 27 16:49
DaemonFChttps://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=912516Jun 27 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-koji.fedoraproject.org | systemd-233-5.fc26 | Build Info | kojiJun 27 16:50
DaemonFCMinceR, I guess ready, fire, aim?Jun 27 16:50
DaemonFCThey'll patch the fuck out of it as they go along.Jun 27 16:50
MinceRand introduce new bugs in the processJun 27 16:50
DaemonFC"- Backport a bunch of small fixes (memleaks, wrong format strings,Jun 27 16:50
DaemonFC  man page clarifications, shell completion)"Jun 27 16:50
DaemonFCAs in, too many to bother listing.Jun 27 16:50
XRevan86DaemonFC: systemd-resolved, niceJun 27 16:51
DaemonFCMinceR, My favorite was a guy who said that he left his CentOS 7 server going for 18 days and systemd was using 4 GB of RAM.Jun 27 16:52
DaemonFChttps://serverfault.com/questions/755818/systemd-using-4gb-ram-after-18-days-of-uptimeJun 27 16:52
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MinceRlolJun 27 16:52
DaemonFCThat'ss like the mother of all memory leaks.Jun 27 16:52
DaemonFCHow the fuck does this end up in RHEL so fast?Jun 27 16:52
MinceRDaemonFC: if you want to see how cognitive dissonance makes people ignore stimuli, tell our resident systemd shill thatJun 27 16:52
DaemonFCServers are supposed to be reliable enough to stay running for months or yearsJun 27 16:53
MinceRservers don't matter, thoughJun 27 16:53
MinceRonly poettering's laptop mattersJun 27 16:53
MinceR(which is, strangely enough, apparently a multiseat system)Jun 27 16:53
DaemonFCThere was even the old story about a RHEL system that was accidentally walled off by contractors and nobody noticed until it stopped responding three years later.Jun 27 16:53
DaemonFCThose days are gone.Jun 27 16:54
MinceR(ok, maybe it's a desktop)Jun 27 16:54
DaemonFCThanks, Poettering.Jun 27 16:54
DaemonFCNow you're lucky if you get three weeks?Jun 27 16:54
DaemonFCMinceR, Why is multiseat important on a laptop?Jun 27 16:55
XRevan86DaemonFC: It's a reference to logind being important.Jun 27 16:55
DaemonFCRed Hat must be pressuring him to add multiseat because their customers want it.Jun 27 16:55
DaemonFCI don't see why ConsoleKit had to die.Jun 27 16:56
DaemonFCPersonally...Jun 27 16:56
DaemonFCIt seemed to be doing okay.Jun 27 16:56
DaemonFCThe Marion, Indiana public library used Userful Discoverstation to run 20 internet terminals off of one computer.Jun 27 16:56
DaemonFCAt the time, it was based on Fedora 6.Jun 27 16:57
DaemonFCThey rebranded everything, but it was still obvious what it was.Jun 27 16:57
XRevan86> Now you're lucky if you get three weeks?Jun 27 16:58
MinceRDaemonFC: why is multiseat important at all in 2017?Jun 27 16:58
XRevan86(please don't hack my resolved)Jun 27 16:58
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DaemonFCMinceR, They released systemd way too soon in the development process, put it in RHEL mostly untested, and now they're patching it constantly.Jun 27 17:00
XRevan86At least I assume the CVE is about a remote attackJun 27 17:01
DaemonFCYet, Red Hat's revenue keeps going up?Jun 27 17:01
XRevan86https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2017-9445 ** RESERVED **Jun 27 17:01
DaemonFC19% YoY?Jun 27 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cve.mitre.org | CVE - CVE-2017-9445Jun 27 17:01
DaemonFCXRevan86, Well, it has more privileges than the user.Jun 27 17:03
DaemonFCXRevan86, http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2017/q2/618Jun 27 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: seclists.org; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2017/q2/618 )Jun 27 17:05
DaemonFCCVE-2017-9445: Out-of-bounds write in systemd-resolved with crafted TCP payloadJun 27 17:05
DaemonFCHi,Jun 27 17:05
DaemonFCI recently discovered an out-of-bounds write in systemd-resolved inJun 27 17:05
DaemonFCUbuntu, which is possible to trigger with a specially crafted TCP payload.Jun 27 17:05
DaemonFCDetails from the Ubuntu bug follow:Jun 27 17:05
DaemonFChttps://launchpad.net/bugs/1695546Jun 27 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695546 )Jun 27 17:05
MinceRDaemonFC: worse, they used political trickery to force it on other distros as wellJun 27 17:05
DaemonFC----Jun 27 17:05
DaemonFCCertain sizes passed to dns_packet_new can cause it to allocate a bufferJun 27 17:05
DaemonFCthat's too small. A page-aligned number - sizeof(DnsPacket) +Jun 27 17:05
DaemonFCsizeof(iphdr) + sizeof(udphdr) will do this - so, on x86 this will be aJun 27 17:05
DaemonFCpage-aligned number - 80. Eg, calling dns_packet_new with a size of 4016Jun 27 17:05
DaemonFCon x86 will result in an allocation of 4096 bytes, but 108 bytes of thisJun 27 17:05
DaemonFCare for the DnsPacket struct.Jun 27 17:05
MinceRthen again, debian people should have had a backboneJun 27 17:05
DaemonFCA malicious DNS server can exploit this by responding with a speciallyJun 27 17:06
DaemonFCcrafted TCP payload to trick systemd-resolved in to allocating a bufferJun 27 17:06
MinceRand refusedJun 27 17:06
DaemonFCthat's too small, and subsequently write arbitrary data beyond the endJun 27 17:06
DaemonFCof it.Jun 27 17:06
DaemonFCI believe this was introduced byJun 27 17:06
DaemonFChttps://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/a0166609f782da91710dea9183d1bf138538db37Jun 27 17:06
XRevan86DaemonFC: too much pastaJun 27 17:06
DaemonFC(v223) and affects all subsequent versions up to and including v233.Jun 27 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-resolved: packet - ensure there is space for IP+UDP headers · systemd/systemd@a016660 · GitHubJun 27 17:06
DaemonFC----Jun 27 17:06
DaemonFCA patch to resolve this has been provided by ZbigniewJun 27 17:06
DaemonFCJędrzejewski-Szmek, along with an additional patch to implement a test.Jun 27 17:06
DaemonFCBoth of these are attached.Jun 27 17:06
DaemonFCMany thanks,Jun 27 17:06
MinceRyeah, way too much pastaJun 27 17:06
DaemonFCChrisJun 27 17:06
MinceRand not enough sauceJun 27 17:06
MinceRor meatballsJun 27 17:06
XRevan86MinceR: yeah, really lackingJun 27 17:06
DaemonFCSo, it opens up systemd-resolved to attack by a malicious DNS server.Jun 27 17:07
DaemonFCWell, if your DNS server is malicious, you're kind of screwed anyway.Jun 27 17:07
DaemonFCBut it's one of those bugs that someone like the NSA might use.Jun 27 17:07
DaemonFCGo to ISPs and make them use it to cause systemd-resolved to install malware on your computer.Jun 27 17:08
MinceRmalicious DNS servers are commonplaceJun 27 17:08
MinceRtypically of the NXDOMAIN -> ad page kindJun 27 17:08
DaemonFCMinceR, Comcrap before they decided to cut it out?Jun 27 17:09
MinceRcan't give any specific examplesJun 27 17:09
DaemonFCMinceR, Sprint does it too.Jun 27 17:09
DaemonFCOn my phone.Jun 27 17:10
DaemonFCThey take you to a shitty search page full of advertisements.Jun 27 17:10
DaemonFCbbiabJun 27 17:10
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Development Functional #Programming in #JavaScript andJun 27 17:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Learning to CodeJun 27 17:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development Functional Programming in JavaScript and Learning to Code | Tux MachinesJun 27 17:16
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TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: OSS and Sharing of Ideas, DesignsJun 27 17:22
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/UOnKSajqIN (www.tuxmachines.org) #sharingJun 27 17:22
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TweetTuxMachines                 Software and #GamesJun 27 17:25
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/qt8GhkwNfP (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 27 17:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #gamingJun 27 17:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software and Games | Tux MachinesJun 27 17:25
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TweetTuxMachines                 Links 27/6/2017: Manjaro Linux 17.0.2 is Out, WindowsJun 27 17:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Ransomware on the Loose WorldwideJun 27 17:33
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Development Functional #Programming in #JavaScript andJun 27 17:33
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Learning to CodeJun 27 17:33
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/gwKqIHdo7W (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 27 17:33
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MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln7rc5WYWMJun 27 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ASMR: Line Illusions (ASMR, no speaking, Doodling pattern, Pursuit curve, Zen tangle) - YouTubeJun 27 17:57
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/listening   http://smbc-comics.com/comics/1497280722-20170612after.pngJun 27 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - ListeningJun 27 18:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/akaSassinak/status/879819132534968320Jun 27 18:02
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/Au0l3STJun 27 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Polishing A Rusty Knife  - GIF on ImgurJun 27 18:14
cubexyzif you like old KDE 3.5.10 then try trinityJun 27 18:18
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MinceRdoneJun 27 18:20
MinceRi'll see if cde (the package manager) can turn exe gnu/linux's tde applications into portable packages :>Jun 27 18:20
cubexyzsome Russian physicists even made a version for slackwareJun 27 18:22
MinceR:)Jun 27 18:22
MinceRmaybe i'll just install that, thenJun 27 18:23
MinceRif it's well-behaved enoughJun 27 18:23
cubexyzhttps://sourceforge.net/projects/tde-slackware/Jun 27 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TDE & KDE3 for Slackware download | SourceForge.netJun 27 18:23
cubexyzwell, at least someone is working on itJun 27 18:30
cubexyzI switched to icewm on slackJun 27 18:34
cubexyzbut I still use konsole and kolourpaint a lotJun 27 18:35
MinceRi have fvwm mostly set up on slackJun 27 18:39
MinceRi just need to get a gentoo prefix set up so i can install fehJun 27 18:39
MinceRand wmctrlJun 27 18:39
MinceRand terminator (though that's only referred to in the menus)Jun 27 18:40
MinceRnot sure if those TDE/KDE packages would work on -currentJun 27 18:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/scas/status/879832557810061312Jun 27 18:54
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #UbuntuCore Now Officially Supported for Raspberry PiJun 27 18:54
TweetTuxMachines @scas           Compute Module 3 (CM3) https://t.co/wmtnYLDXm3Jun 27 18:54
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TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #canonical #ubuntu #gnu #linuxJun 27 18:54
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cubexyzha, neatJun 27 19:59
cubexyzI got two x2x's runningJun 27 19:59
cubexyzone for icewm and one for fvwmJun 27 19:59
cubexyzfvwm had that matrix thing which was niceJun 27 20:00
cubexyzand it had this funky startup which called netscape, xlander, xsnow, etcJun 27 20:04
cubexyzxsnow doesn't seem to work on "modern" systems (note the quotes)Jun 27 20:14
cubexyzhow about that...Jun 27 20:16
cubexyzworks with mwm, but not fvwm or icewmJun 27 20:16
cubexyzxsnow also works with twmJun 27 20:20
cubexyzand one can kill an instance of ummm what the best way to call it...Jun 27 20:23
cubexyzXserver instance I guessJun 27 20:24
cubexyzctrl-alt-backspace only kills one instance so if you have multiple ones running it'll still run the other onesJun 27 20:24
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/xsnow-christmas-time-2017.pngJun 27 20:36
cubexyzevidently xsnow only snows on the root windowJun 27 20:42
cubexyzok, xsnow 1.42 does work with icewmJun 27 20:45
cubexyzand fvwmJun 27 20:49
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TweetTuxMachines                 Intel Core i7 7740X Preliminary #Benchmarks On #LinuxJun 28 00:27
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schestowitz[20:45] <EricCromwell> On the Microsoft and NSA wiki page there is a grammatical error I was going to suggest an edit for but oddly, I am blocked, though I have never visited this page before ever.Jun 28 00:51
schestowitzFixed!Jun 28 00:51
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Intel Core i7 7740X Preliminary #Benchmarks On #Linux...'Jun 28 00:53
oiaohmschestowitz: wine project does have it on going limitations.Jun 28 00:54
schestowitzyes, I knowJun 28 00:58
schestowitzbut it often does OK for things, more so over timeJun 28 00:58
schestowitzI tried it a few times over the yearsJun 28 00:58
cubexyznot to mention the NSA attacks on Dell serversJun 28 01:02
cubexyzDEITYBOUNCEJun 28 01:02
DaemonFCFedora is now carrying 78 patches against systemdJun 28 01:03
DaemonFC:/Jun 28 01:03
cubexyzand who worked at Dell? SnowdenJun 28 01:03
DaemonFChttp://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/systemd.git/diff/0009-journal-prevent-integer-overflow-while-validating-he.patch?h=f26&id=f5f07378296025328eb987f4b38f07a86c059505Jun 28 01:05
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DaemonFCLOLJun 28 01:06
DaemonFChttp://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/systemd.git/tree/?h=f26Jun 28 01:08
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schestowitzGoogle Gets Record $2.7 Billion EU Fine for Skewing Searches - BloombergJun 28 01:11
schestowitzhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-27/google-gets-record-2-7-billion-eu-fine-for-skewing-searchesJun 28 01:11
schestowitzhahahahahaJun 28 01:11
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DaemonFCScrooooooooooooooooooooooooogleJun 28 01:14
schestowitzit's deadJun 28 01:16
schestowitzlong deadJun 28 01:16
schestowitzI used to use itJun 28 01:16
oiaohmDaemonFC: proves the theory that 64 bit numbers can overflow.Jun 28 01:19
oiaohmhttp://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/systemd.git/tree/0015-basic-don-t-link-libm.so-into-libbasic.so-5628.patch?h=f26   This one is very common.Jun 28 01:21
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oiaohmLinking libraries that never get used.Jun 28 01:22
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/9530355Jun 28 01:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA-linked tools help power second global ransomware outbreak http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/27/ransomware-virus-nsa-petya-hacking-tools-240008 neglecting to mention it targets #microsoft #windows Why?Jun 28 01:22
schestowitzsecond paragraph onlyJun 28 01:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> NSA-linked tools help power second global ransomware outbreak - POLITICOJun 28 01:22
schestowitzimagine if it was LinuxJun 28 01:22
schestowitzin headline for sureJun 28 01:22
schestowitzoiaohm: still badJun 28 01:22
oiaohmschestowitz: when I say common -lm is one of the most commonly over linked libraries you find in any package.Jun 28 01:26
oiaohmschestowitz: remember NSA had access to windows source code.Jun 28 01:29
schestowitzyes, so nobody out there can find the bugs as easily as themJun 28 01:31
schestowitzexcept maybe some governmentsJun 28 01:31
cubexyzall of it? every version?Jun 28 01:32
oiaohmcubexyz: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sharedsource/government-security-program.aspx  just put in a formal request as a government is quite shocking what Microsoft will hand over.Jun 28 01:38
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oiaohmcubexyz: http://download.microsoft.com/download/B/C/A/BCAFF3F5-5DB5-4AB4-9AAB-5CF0814E0948/GovernmentSecurityProgram.pdf  This is a odd version of the description.   Current version and in windows 10 ....Jun 28 01:42
DaemonFCschestowitz, Doesn't ever stop "the news". "Huge Linux vulnerability!" and then Linux turns out to be OpenSSL or Samba.Jun 28 01:44
schestowitzyeahJun 28 01:46
schestowitzI confronted some journalists about it yesterdayJun 28 01:47
schestowitzThey fail to name Windows in headlines for exampleJun 28 01:47
schestowitzanyway, got to get on with writing now, bblJun 28 01:47
oiaohmIt is a big problem with openssl in particularly thinking a lot of products on windows use openssl.Jun 28 01:47
cubexyzbecause nothing else exists! DUHJun 28 01:48
cubexyzespecially on mainstream mediaJun 28 01:48
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/J6z4Eyl.jpgJun 28 01:48
oiaohmhttps://pydio.com/en/docs/kb/system/setup-https-windowsapache   << different people using windows to-do things are using openssl.Jun 28 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Setup HTTPS on Windows+Apache | PydioJun 28 01:49
oiaohmSo it really bad to make out a openssl flaw is Linux because windows, os x, Android.... have applications using it.Jun 28 01:50
cubexyzthat's why the CRA was shutdown for a whileJun 28 01:51
oiaohmcubexyz: CRA?Jun 28 01:52
cubexyzCanada Revenue AgencyJun 28 01:53
cubexyzshutdown because of heartbleedJun 28 01:53
oiaohmcubexyz: I was sure you did not mean this CRA http://www.catholicreligiousaustralia.org.au/Jun 28 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catholicreligiousaustralia.org.au | WelcomeJun 28 01:55
cubexyztoo many acronyms, I usually avoid thatJun 28 01:55
oiaohmcubexyz: they were also effected by heartbleed.Jun 28 01:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/879925719631110144Jun 28 02:03
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Links 27/6/2017: Manjaro Linux 17.0.2 is Out, WindowsJun 28 02:03
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Ransomware on the Loose WorldwideJun 28 02:03
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/EywuuBU3Nf (techrights.org)Jun 28 02:03
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DaemonFCschestowitz, The Samba one turned out to be Samba on a Raspberry Pi, with the default password.Jun 28 02:28
DaemonFCThey screamed like it was Dirty Cow or something.Jun 28 02:28
DaemonFCShit happens, but it's not often that there's some huge exploit like that.Jun 28 02:29
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/uaeOkBv.gifvJun 28 03:01
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TweetTuxMachines@lucasoft_co_uk  https://twitter.com/lucasoft_co_uk/status/879957684123992064Jun 28 03:15
TweetTuxMachines                 RT @tuxmachines: Intel Core i7 7740X PreliminaryJun 28 03:15
TweetTuxMachines                 #Benchmarks On #Linux https://t.co/wnwk5Xgs1TJun 28 03:15
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DaemonFChttps://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/testing/26/x86_64/repoview/qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld.htmlJun 28 03:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-download1.rpmfusion.org | RepoView: "RPM Fusion Fedora free 26 updates testing - x86_64"Jun 28 03:19
DaemonFCApparently, Qtwebkit needs a freeworld package because it doesn't use Gstreamer?Jun 28 03:19
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schestowitz"@alex Could you reactivate the petition now that elections have passed?'Jun 28 03:29
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TweetTuxMachines                 Security: #Microsoft #Windows Armageddon and Other NewsJun 28 05:37
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TweetTuxMachines                 Xinix Offers Linux Lovers a Path to ZenJun 28 05:53
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/IgnhXpuJ2i (www.tuxmachines.org) #XinixOSJun 28 05:53
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TweetTuxMachines                 A look at Kaku — Media streaming in GNU/LinuxJun 28 05:54
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TweetTuxMachines                 #UbuntuBudgie 17.04 – new kid on the blockJun 28 06:14
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TweetTuxMachines                 7 great open source tools to power your marketing stackJun 28 06:15
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/z1C21zSpb7 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 28 06:15
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TweetTuxMachines                 6 Linux clipboard managers to boost your productivityJun 28 06:17
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TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu 17.10 Finishes Its Transition to Python 3.6,Jun 28 06:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu 16.10 EOL Coming JulyJun 28 06:26
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TweetTuxMachines                 #KDE #Plasma 5.10.3 Desktop Environment Improves PlasmaJun 28 06:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Discover's #Flatpak BackendJun 28 06:29
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Intel Core #i9 7900X #Linux #BenchmarksJun 28 06:36
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TweetTuxMachines                 Why The #UbuntuPhone FailedJun 28 06:38
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Entroware Launches Two New Ubuntu Laptops, for #LinuxJun 28 06:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #Gaming and Office UseJun 28 06:39
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/sIynJyxpeA (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 06:39
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TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/Fmld5UOVUFJun 28 06:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #googleJun 28 06:41
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TweetTuxMachines                 Looking for an Ubuntu Unity close cousin? Elementary, myJun 28 06:43
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Entroware Launches Two New Ubuntu Laptops, for #Linux...'Jun 28 07:36
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#KDE #Plasma 5.10.3 Desktop Environment Improves Plasma Discover's...'Jun 28 07:37
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu 17.10 Finishes Its Transition to Python 3.6,...'Jun 28 08:11
*TweetTuxMachines @Bazeelzebub favourited 'A look at Kaku — Media streaming in...'Jun 28 08:22
*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited '#Huawei Continues Working On Protectable Memory Support For...'Jun 28 09:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/880052807159566346Jun 28 09:22
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Ubuntu 17.10 Finishes Its Transition to Python 3.6,Jun 28 09:22
TweetTuxMachines @glynmoody      Ubuntu 16.10 EOL Coming JulyJun 28 09:22
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/siq2BGXgwO (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 17.10 Finishes Its Transition to Python 3.6, Ubuntu 16.10 EOL Coming July | Tux MachinesJun 28 09:22
TweetTuxMachines                 #ubuntu #gnu #linuxJun 28 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/iamunnip/status/880053635052326912Jun 28 09:24
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #UbuntuCore Now Officially Supported for Raspberry PiJun 28 09:24
TweetTuxMachines @iamunnip       Compute Module 3 (CM3) https://t.co/wmtnYLDXm3Jun 28 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Core Now Officially Supported for Raspberry Pi Compute Module 3 (CM3) | Tux MachinesJun 28 09:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #canonical #ubuntu #gnu #linuxJun 28 09:24
TweetTuxMachines                 #raspiJun 28 09:24
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks So don't use Windows. It's designed for...'Jun 28 11:08
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks So don't use Windows. It's...'Jun 28 11:13
schestowitzBTW, typo in the first among your two paragraphs. Says "Micorosoft".Jun 28 11:15
schestowitzreJun 28 11:15
schestowitzhttps://wikileaks.org/vault7/#ElsaJun 28 11:15
schestowitz"Today, June 28th 2017, WikiLeaks publishes documents from the ELSA project of the CIA. ELSA is a geo-location malware for WiFi-enabled devices like laptops running the Microsoft Windows operating system. Once persistently installed on a target machine using separate CIA exploits, the malware scans visible WiFi access points and records the ESS identifier, MAC address and signal strength at regular intervals. To perform the data collection Jun 28 11:15
schestowitzthe target machine does not have to be online or connected to an access point; it only needs to be running with an enabled WiFi device. If it is connected to the internet, the malware automatically tries to use public geo-location databases from Google or Microsoft to resolve the position of the device and stores the longitude and latitude data along with the timestamp. The collected access point/geo-location information is stored in Jun 28 11:15
schestowitzencrypted form on the device for later exfiltration. The malware itself does not beacon this data to a CIA back-end; instead the operator must actively retrieve the log file from the device - again using separate CIA exploits and backdoors."Jun 28 11:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failed connect to wikileaks.org:443; Operation now in progress ( status 0 @ https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#Elsa )Jun 28 11:15
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The "expert". Is that after they...'Jun 28 11:18
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks The "expert". Is that...'Jun 28 11:27
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks That depends on the domain. In politics,...'Jun 28 11:27
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks That depends on the domain....'Jun 28 11:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @topnotifier favourited '#Linux 4.11.7 and more https://t.co/axKTE1aU4G #kernel #programming #gpl'Jun 28 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.11.7 | Tux MachinesJun 28 11:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880090806920638464Jun 28 11:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #Wikileaks #CIA Leak on "geo-location malware forJun 28 11:53
TweetTuxMachines                 WiFi-enabled ... Microsoft Windows"Jun 28 11:53
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/jCSik88P8s (www.tuxmachines.org) #elsaJun 28 11:53
TweetTuxMachines                 #vault7Jun 28 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wikileaks CIA Leak on "geo-location malware for WiFi-enabled ... Microsoft Windows" | Tux MachinesJun 28 11:53
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Wikileaks #CIA Leak on "geo-location malware for WiFi-enabled...'Jun 28 12:05
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn #nhs workers need to organise and rebel...'Jun 28 12:57
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn #nhs workers need to organise...'Jun 28 13:12
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks They should get one of these: ...'Jun 28 13:12
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks They should get one of...'Jun 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/iamunnip/status/880111973177802752Jun 28 13:22
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #KDE #Plasma 5.10.3 Desktop Environment Improves PlasmaJun 28 13:22
TweetTuxMachines @iamunnip       Discover's #Flatpak BackendJun 28 13:22
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/eTDP7gehUH (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 13:22
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 28 13:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.10.3 Desktop Environment Improves Plasma Discover's Flatpak Backend | Tux MachinesJun 28 13:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880114093734187009Jun 28 13:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #Raspbian GNU/Linux: New release includes installable x86Jun 28 13:23
TweetTuxMachines                 imageJun 28 13:23
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/vvu9LlYyKK (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 13:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #debianJun 28 13:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspbian GNU/Linux: New release includes installable x86 image | Tux MachinesJun 28 13:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880114426862555136Jun 28 13:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Xen Related Work in the Linux Kernel: Current and FutureJun 28 13:26
TweetTuxMachines                 PlansJun 28 13:26
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/9fBWzXjDv0 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 13:26
TweetTuxMachines                 #xen #linuxJun 28 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xen Related Work in the Linux Kernel: Current and Future Plans | Tux MachinesJun 28 13:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Raspbian GNU/Linux: New release includes installable x86 image...'Jun 28 13:26
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Xen Related Work in the Linux Kernel: Current...'Jun 28 13:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880115830603862016Jun 28 13:29
TweetTuxMachines                 #NVIDIA 381.10.10 #Vulkan #Linux Driver #BenchmarksJun 28 13:29
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/IPYGrbsPpy (www.tuxmachines.org) #graphicsJun 28 13:29
TweetTuxMachines                 #kernel #phoronixJun 28 13:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA 381.10.10 Vulkan Linux Driver Benchmarks | Tux MachinesJun 28 13:30
*TweetTuxMachines @ExponetUSA retweeted @tuxmachines: '#NVIDIA 381.10.10 #Vulkan #Linux Driver #Benchmarks https://t.co/IPYGrbsPpy #graphics...'Jun 28 13:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880116123081089026Jun 28 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 #OSU Open Source Lab leader looks to further #FOSSJun 28 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 community outreach https://t.co/whXnNypn5TJun 28 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw #googleJun 28 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSU Open Source Lab leader looks to further FOSS community outreach | Tux MachinesJun 28 13:37
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#NVIDIA 381.10.10 #Vulkan #Linux Driver #Benchmarks https://t.co/IPYGrbsPpy #graphics...'Jun 28 13:37
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#OSU Open Source Lab leader looks to further...'Jun 28 13:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880119365508767744Jun 28 13:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Wine Staging 2.11Jun 28 13:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/hRUjMdnVhp (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 13:48
TweetTuxMachines                 #WineStaging #wine #unix #gnu #linuxJun 28 13:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880120676484624384Jun 28 13:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Games: #UnrealTournament, #STASIS, #SuperRocketShootoutJun 28 13:52
TweetTuxMachines                 and MoreJun 28 13:52
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/L7YWC2sIwD (www.tuxmachines.org) #gamesJun 28 13:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #gaming #gnu #linuxJun 28 13:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Unreal Tournament, STASIS, Super Rocket Shootout and More | Tux MachinesJun 28 13:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Wine Staging 2.11 https://t.co/hRUjMdnVhp #WineStaging #wine #unix #gnu...'Jun 28 13:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880121617908736003Jun 28 14:02
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Games: #UnrealTournament, #STASIS, #SuperRocketShootoutJun 28 14:02
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    and MoreJun 28 14:02
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/L7YWC2sIwD (www.tuxmachines.org) #gamesJun 28 14:02
TweetTuxMachines                 #gaming #gnu #linuxJun 28 14:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880124184390754305Jun 28 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #Kubuntu Artful Aardvark (17.10) Alpha 1Jun 28 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/KumOMmadp5 (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntuJun 28 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #kde #freesw #plasmaJun 28 14:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubuntu Artful Aardvark (17.10) Alpha 1 | Tux MachinesJun 28 14:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Kubuntu Artful Aardvark (17.10) Alpha 1 https://t.co/KumOMmadp5 #ubuntu...'Jun 28 14:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880125367918501907Jun 28 14:12
TweetTuxMachines                 #mkosi — A Tool for Generating OS ImagesJun 28 14:12
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Sn6vzK2BKT (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 14:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Made by LP. Yes, THAT LP. #systemdJun 28 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | mkosi — A Tool for Generating OS Images | Tux MachinesJun 28 14:12
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ants   http://smbc-comics.com/comics/1497364994-20170613after.pngJun 28 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - AntsJun 28 14:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880126590570700804Jun 28 14:21
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #mkosi — A Tool for Generating OS ImagesJun 28 14:21
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/Sn6vzK2BKT (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 14:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Made by LP. Yes, THAT LP. #systemdJun 28 14:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880128936549724162Jun 28 14:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/YhavGGrCHcJun 28 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 28 14:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #google #linux #oneplusJun 28 14:22
TweetTuxMachines                 #tabloJun 28 14:22
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*TweetTuxMachines @wwwkumotech retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/YhavGGrCHc #android #google #linux #oneplus #tablo'Jun 28 14:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880129886425427968Jun 28 14:26
TweetTuxMachines                 #Q4OS 1.8.7, OrionJun 28 14:26
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/UYKTbKGAnU (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 28 14:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Q4OS 1.8.7, Orion | Tux MachinesJun 28 14:26
*TweetTuxMachines @EpocaNow favourited 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/YhavGGrCHc #android #google #linux #oneplus #tablo'Jun 28 14:29
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Q4OS 1.8.7, Orion https://t.co/UYKTbKGAnU #gnu #linux...'Jun 28 14:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880131090324877312Jun 28 15:00
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Android Leftovers https://t.co/YhavGGrCHcJun 28 15:00
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #google #linux #oneplusJun 28 15:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #tabloJun 28 15:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880138682434498562Jun 28 15:00
TweetTuxMachines                 GraphicsJun 28 15:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'Graphics'Jun 28 15:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880138806552391681Jun 28 15:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Graphics: #Mir,# NVIDIA, #OpenGL, #RadeonSI and MoreJun 28 15:03
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/CsHYOThjpd (www.tuxmachines.org) #GraphicsJun 28 15:03
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 28 15:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Mir, NVIDIA, OpenGL, RadeonSI and More | Tux MachinesJun 28 15:03
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Graphics: #Mir,# NVIDIA, #OpenGL, #RadeonSI and More ...'Jun 28 15:06
*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited '#Linux 4.11.7 and more https://t.co/axKTE1aU4G #kernel #programming #gpl'Jun 28 15:11
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn But there's NO MONEY! The money tree...'Jun 28 15:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.11.7 | Tux MachinesJun 28 15:11
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn But there's NO MONEY! The...'Jun 28 15:11
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited 'Succinct as usual Mr Boyle. https://t.co/EDVJH0jT3V'Jun 28 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Android Leftovers https://t.co/Fmld5UOVUF #android #linux #googleJun 28 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 28 15:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/ExponetUSA/status/880142223010136069Jun 28 15:28
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Graphics: #Mir,# NVIDIA, #OpenGL, #RadeonSI and MoreJun 28 15:28
TweetTuxMachines @ExponetUSA      https://t.co/CsHYOThjpd (www.tuxmachines.org) #GraphicsJun 28 15:28
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 28 15:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/jovinosumicity/status/880145928069550082Jun 28 15:35
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #mkosi — A Tool for Generating OS ImagesJun 28 15:35
TweetTuxMachines @jovinosumicity  https://t.co/Sn6vzK2BKT (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 15:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Made by LP. Yes, THAT LP. #systemdJun 28 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | mkosi — A Tool for Generating OS Images | Tux MachinesJun 28 15:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @Dough_Nutz37 favourited '#Kubuntu Artful Aardvark (17.10) Alpha 1 https://t.co/KumOMmadp5 #ubuntu...'Jun 28 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubuntu Artful Aardvark (17.10) Alpha 1 | Tux MachinesJun 28 15:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880150595230978052Jun 28 15:48
TweetTuxMachines                 #Debian 9 "Stretch"Jun 28 15:48
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/uISGP5jsEp (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 9 "Stretch" | Tux MachinesJun 28 15:48
TweetTuxMachines                 #distrowatch #reviewJun 28 15:48
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 28 15:48
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian 9 "Stretch" https://t.co/uISGP5jsEp #distrowatch #review...'Jun 28 15:52
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian 9 "Stretch" https://t.co/uISGP5jsEp #distrowatch #review...'Jun 28 15:58
DaemonFCWell, I figured out how to get Qt5 apps to scale properly, at least.Jun 28 15:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880153285272928256Jun 28 16:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #KDE and Plasma: Release of #Plasma 5.10.3, New ISO forJun 28 16:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #Slackware Live #PLASMA5, and KDE for #FreeBSDJun 28 16:01
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/GmxqgsCIES (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 16:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE and Plasma: Release of Plasma 5.10.3, New ISO for Slackware Live PLASMA5, and KDE for FreeBSD | Tux MachinesJun 28 16:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880154231558332416Jun 28 16:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Windows #Ransomware, #Windows in Warships, Zero TrustJun 28 16:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Model, CVE-2017-9445 and MoreJun 28 16:06
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/79y1BDLsDa (www.tuxmachines.org) #petyaJun 28 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Windows Ransomware, Windows in Warships, Zero Trust Security Model, CVE-2017-9445 and More | Tux MachinesJun 28 16:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #systemdJun 28 16:06
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#KDE and Plasma: Release of #Plasma 5.10.3, New...'Jun 28 16:06
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cubexyzre: demostrate NTserver as THE internet platform... dated 1995Jun 28 16:08
cubexyzwell, the Freenets used BSD back thenJun 28 16:09
cubexyzthe TCP/IP stack was introduced to Unix in 4.2BSDJun 28 16:12
cubexyzthat was 1982Jun 28 16:13
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Windows #Ransomware, #Windows in Warships, Zero Trust #Security...'Jun 28 16:14
cubexyzoh and one other point you may find interestingJun 28 16:14
cubexyzthe BSD TCP/IP code was used in NT 3.1, macOS and iOSJun 28 16:15
cubexyzalso BSD -> SunOS, NeXTSTEP, Ultrix, etcJun 28 16:16
cubexyzand if I was so inclined I could scan for BSD code in NT or win2kJun 28 16:18
cubexyzBeBOX with BeOS also used code from BSDJun 28 16:20
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump @narendramodi Did you tell him about your...'Jun 28 16:22
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump @narendramodi Did you tell him...'Jun 28 16:24
cubexyzNT 3.5 was using the rewritten TCP/IP stackJun 28 16:33
MinceR"rewritten"Jun 28 16:36
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump @narendramodi Trump loves Indians so much that...'Jun 28 16:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880164038495416322Jun 28 16:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #System76 Oryx Pro Review https://t.co/55PvOY6PnUJun 28 16:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux preloaded. WorthJun 28 16:41
TweetTuxMachines                 supporting such OEMs. Make them bigger.Jun 28 16:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 Oryx Pro Review | Tux MachinesJun 28 16:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880164269676953602Jun 28 16:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Open Source #Adreno Project #Freedreno Receives NewJun 28 16:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Update  https://t.co/vSt8L0B1Wc (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 28 16:43
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswJun 28 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Source Adreno Project “Freedreno” Receives New Update | Tux MachinesJun 28 16:43
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*TweetTuxMachines @HummingShia favourited 'Open Source #Adreno Project #Freedreno Receives New Update...'Jun 28 16:43
cubexyzWollongong Group also used BSD code or at least derived their code from itJun 28 16:44
cubexyzwhich was allowed of courseJun 28 16:44
cubexyzWollongong Group made a package for Unix v7Jun 28 16:44
cubexyzalso one for the IBM PCJun 28 16:44
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cubexyzWollongong is a reference to the University of Wollongong in Australia but...Jun 28 16:47
cubexyzWollongong Group was based in CaliforniaJun 28 16:48
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Tablets, #Chromebooks, and #GNU #Linux LaptopsJun 28 16:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/65r6I80yC6 (www.tuxmachines.org) #chromeosJun 28 16:48
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cubexyzanyways going back to my original point: in 1995 you didn't need to use NTserver Jun 28 16:49
cubexyzthat's just Microsoft FUDJun 28 16:49
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cubexyzin 1995 you could have used Redhat 1.0, or FreeBSD 2.0, or Ultrix 4.5Jun 28 16:50
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cubexyzheck, in 1991 you could buy an HP 9000 running HP-UXJun 28 16:52
cubexyzexpensive thoughJun 28 16:53
DaemonFCI put a fundraiser banner for the GNOME Foundation on my Facebook page.Jun 28 16:55
DaemonFCI'm comfortable with that now that Karen Sandler is gone.Jun 28 16:56
DaemonFCBlew all their money on "Outreach to Women"? How does that happen. I don't see any more women in Free Software after the outreach than before the outreach.Jun 28 16:57
DaemonFCOr software at all for that matter.Jun 28 16:57
DaemonFCHostile culture. It's like gaming. Well, gaming used to be more inclusive. Before the Video Game Crash of 1986, there were plenty of women in the gaming industry and female lead characters in the games and such.Jun 28 16:58
DaemonFCAfter the crash, Nintendo decided to move their marketing from the electronics section to the toys department at stores.Jun 28 16:59
DaemonFCBut the toys department was segregated to a boy and a girl section.Jun 28 16:59
DaemonFCSo Nintendo chose the boy's section. Then they started advertising to boys. Then that spiraled into a bunch of overtly sexist video games and advertising in the 90s which never really stopped.Jun 28 17:00
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cubexyzwell NES Classic edition was popularJun 28 17:12
cubexyzplaying NES games on the HDTVJun 28 17:12
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TweetTuxMachines                 supporting such OEMs. Make them bigger.Jun 28 17:13
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cubexyzproves that if a game is fun, its fun no matter what the graphics look likeJun 28 17:14
abeNd-orghave you tried the retro freak before?Jun 28 17:15
cubexyznintendo sold 2.3 million of the thingsJun 28 17:15
abeNd-orghttp://www.cybergadget.co.jp/retrofreak/en.htmlJun 28 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cybergadget.co.jp | Retro Freak|Support 12 different types of retro game systems|CYBER Gadget [ http://ur1.ca/r3m5p ]Jun 28 17:15
cubexyzI have notJun 28 17:16
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cubexyzlooks interesting though... I still have a bunch of sega genesis cartsJun 28 17:17
abeNd-orgyea, my wife who is really into retro gaming got one of thoseJun 28 17:18
abeNd-orgdon't have to have a zillion consoles hooked up nowJun 28 17:18
cubexyzwell I still play a few Loki games Jun 28 17:19
cubexyzI sold off all my consoles and I used to have almost everything:Jun 28 17:19
cubexyz3DO, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, SNES, Turbographx-16Jun 28 17:20
cubexyzeven the neo-geo, which I kind of regret sellingJun 28 17:20
abeNd-orgyep, no need to have most of those consoles, just the games, & original (or remade usb/bluetooth) controllersJun 28 17:20
cubexyzI assume it has HDMI connectors?Jun 28 17:21
cubexyzyeah I see it doesJun 28 17:22
abeNd-orgyep, the little bit I have tried of it so far it worked pretty niceJun 28 17:23
abeNd-orgi wish it had a ethernet port & could read off nfs/smb, but the little 64SDcard ive got should handle pretty much anything that could be thrown at the systemJun 28 17:24
cubexyzI wouldn't mind being able to use my old sega genesis controllers on the computer actuallyJun 28 17:26
cubexyzmame and that sort of thingJun 28 17:26
abeNd-orgyea, there are usb adapters for all those retro controllers these days, or remade native usb/bluetooth onesJun 28 17:27
abeNd-orgthat retrofreak can use ps4 controllers even from what the latest update statedJun 28 17:28
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MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ4QkJNZHjEJun 28 17:46
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TweetTuxMachines                 #UbuntuMATE Software Boutique Package Manager Is GettingJun 29 01:12
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TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/omZMZlzNiX (www.tuxmachines.org) #mateJun 29 01:12
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DaemonFCMinceR, I'd like to interject.Jun 29 02:14
DaemonFCWhat you call Linux is actually Intel Management Engine/systemd/GNU/Linux.Jun 29 02:14
MinceR:)Jun 29 02:14
MinceR28 202620 < specing> I would like to interject for a moment. What you call systemd is in fact systemdumb, or, as I've started to call it system+dumbJun 29 02:14
DaemonFCThe user should be the one deciding if they want a management engine running and what it is managing, but Intel has designed their processors to freeze up if the firmware for that isn't loaded.Jun 29 02:15
DaemonFCsystemd-kerneld is a much smaller problem than AMTJun 29 02:15
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/abRVh1x.jpgJun 29 02:20
DaemonFCMinceR, GNOME going with Nvidia EGL support is a big fuck you to Free Software like Mesa.Jun 29 02:22
DaemonFCHow has FSF not kicked GNOME out yet?Jun 29 02:23
oiaohmsystemd comes about all due to ignoring defects and not mandating some solution that addresses those defects.Jun 29 02:33
oiaohmhttps://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237  this is classic what kind of test suite does systemd have.Jun 29 02:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-systemd can't handle the process previlege that belongs to user name startswith number, such as 0day · Issue #6237 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/r3t3s ]Jun 29 02:36
MinceRDaemonFC: the fsf stopped caring long agoJun 29 02:38
DaemonFCMinceR, Withholding Nvidia blob support from GNOME would have probably made Nvidia bother to implement support for GNOME themselves using the existing features.Jun 29 02:42
DaemonFCWhy do the heavy lifting for them when so much other stuff in GNOME needs attention?Jun 29 02:42
MinceRnothing in gnome needs attentionJun 29 02:43
MinceRit's a total waste of resourcesJun 29 02:43
DaemonFChttps://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/2028Jun 29 02:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam uses 'execheap' which according to expert ' is really a bad idea' · Issue #2028 · ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/r3t8i ]Jun 29 02:44
DaemonFCSELinux blocks it.Jun 29 02:44
DaemonFCReally, Linux should just drop support for it and make developers fix their broken software.Jun 29 02:47
DaemonFCNothing in the games seems to crash if it gets denied this access, so I told the SELinux troubleshooter to just ignore it and keep blocking.Jun 29 02:52
DaemonFCI'm frankly shocked that instead of fixing mprotect to close off the vulnerabilities at their source, it's falling on SELinux to stop attacks.Jun 29 03:02
DaemonFCWith Steam it's not an attack. It's probably just some bogus usage done by some crap proprietary code.Jun 29 03:03
oiaohmDaemonFC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%5EX  that execheap is a basic breach of this.Jun 29 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | W^X - WikipediaJun 29 03:32
oiaohmDaemonFC: http://www.openwall.com/lists/kernel-hardening/2017/06/26/3  with the different bits of memory hardening is going into mainline kernel is only a matter of time before its not just SELinux rejecting that crap.Jun 29 03:39
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schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Jun 29 05:18
schestowitz> Jun 29 05:18
schestowitz> I think you've seen this one already:Jun 29 05:18
schestowitz> Jun 29 05:18
schestowitz> https://danielpocock.com/how-did-the-world-ever-work-without-facebookJun 29 05:18
schestowitz> Jun 29 05:18
schestowitz> I think he's come up with the best analogy so far about what Facebook,Jun 29 05:18
schestowitz> Twitter and the others do: kettlingJun 29 05:18
schestowitz> Jun 29 05:18
schestowitz> Because basically that's what shadow bans and similar blocks are doing.Jun 29 05:18
schestowitz> Jun 29 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Operation timed out after 10001 milliseconds with 0 out of 0 bytes received ( status 0 @ https://danielpocock.com/how-did-the-world-ever-work-without-facebook )Jun 29 05:18
schestowitz> By the way last I checked in Mastodon, your posts still weren't turningJun 29 05:18
schestowitz> up in the hashtags when you use them.Jun 29 05:18
schestowitzYes, I saw that one an hour and had shared it even twice (because it's good) before you sent it to me. I also mailed it to Rianne.Jun 29 05:18
schestowitzTwitter unbanned me yesterday, after ALMOST A WEEK!!Jun 29 05:18
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TweetTuxMachines                 New #systemd Vulnerability Affects Ubuntu 17.04 andJun 29 06:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu 16.10, Update Now https://t.co/bqikBAbLDpJun 29 06:09
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TweetTuxMachines                 Linux-driven Cortex-A7 SoC targets 3D and HD-enabled HMIJun 29 06:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/U424lAqLVk (www.tuxmachines.org) #linuxJun 29 06:09
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TweetTuxMachines                 Center and Red Hat Open Innovation Labs in #BostonJun 29 06:12
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TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/rYgjcTP5A5Jun 29 06:14
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TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #googleJun 29 06:14
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MinceRhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6jtnb1/atms_in_ukraine_now_accepting_bitcoin/Jun 29 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | ATM's in Ukraine now accepting Bitcoin! : BitcoinJun 29 06:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @HummingShia favourited 'Linux-driven Cortex-A7 SoC targets 3D and HD-enabled HMI...'Jun 29 06:34
*TweetTuxMachines @systemdsucks favourited 'Windows #Ransomware, #Windows in Warships, Zero Trust #Security...'Jun 29 06:37
*TweetTuxMachines @systemdsucks favourited '#mkosi — A Tool for Generating OS Images...'Jun 29 06:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880374918722060288Jun 29 06:40
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    New #systemd Vulnerability Affects Ubuntu 17.04 andJun 29 06:40
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Ubuntu 16.10, Update Now https://t.co/bqikBAbLDpJun 29 06:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New systemd Vulnerability Affects Ubuntu 17.04 and Ubuntu 16.10, Update Now | Tux MachinesJun 29 06:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 06:40
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*TweetTuxMachines @polr retweeted @tuxmachines: 'New #systemd Vulnerability Affects Ubuntu 17.04 and Ubuntu...'Jun 29 06:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880375541362286592Jun 29 06:41
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Linux-driven Cortex-A7 SoC targets 3D and HD-enabled HMIJun 29 06:41
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/U424lAqLVk (www.tuxmachines.org) #linuxJun 29 06:41
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux-driven Cortex-A7 SoC targets 3D and HD-enabled HMI | Tux MachinesJun 29 06:41
*TweetTuxMachines @verfassungklage retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux-driven Cortex-A7 SoC targets 3D and HD-enabled HMI...'Jun 29 06:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880375802487091200Jun 29 06:43
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #RedHat Opens the Doors to New Global Executive BriefingJun 29 06:43
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Center and Red Hat Open Innovation Labs in #BostonJun 29 06:43
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/cGgAXjBJJl (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Opens the Doors to New Global Executive Briefing Center and Red Hat Open Innovation Labs in Boston | Tux MachinesJun 29 06:43
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 06:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880376022193098752Jun 29 06:43
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Android Leftovers https://t.co/rYgjcTP5A5Jun 29 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 29 06:43
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #googleJun 29 06:43
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 06:43
*TweetTuxMachines @KoenP66 favourited 'New #systemd Vulnerability Affects Ubuntu 17.04 and Ubuntu...'Jun 29 06:43
*TweetTuxMachines @KoenP66 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'New #systemd Vulnerability Affects Ubuntu 17.04 and Ubuntu...'Jun 29 06:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880376292952211456Jun 29 06:48
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security:# GNU #Linux Updates, Reproducible Builds,Jun 29 06:48
TweetTuxMachines                 #Kaspersky, and "Choosing #Windows should get you fired"Jun 29 06:48
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/zvcJvRrpKQ (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 06:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: GNU/Linux Updates, Reproducible Builds, Kaspersky, and "Choosing Windows for your organization should get you fired" | Tux MachinesJun 29 06:48
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 06:48
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security:# GNU #Linux Updates, Reproducible Builds, #Kaspersky, and...'Jun 29 06:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880378054740258816Jun 29 06:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #Ubuntu Leftovers: #UbuntuCore, #MAAS, UbuntuJun 29 06:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Foundations, and #UbuntuMATE 17.10Jun 29 06:52
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/keb5d629oT (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #lnuxJun 29 06:52
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 06:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Leftovers: Ubuntu Core, MAAS, Ubuntu Foundations, and Ubuntu MATE 17.10 | Tux MachinesJun 29 06:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880378479153381377Jun 29 06:54
TweetTuxMachines                 #Devices and #Android Leftovers: #µduino, “FandomJun 29 06:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Edition”, #Amazon and #Netfront BrowserJun 29 06:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/UC2Mrexqhi (www.tuxmachines.org) #linuxJun 29 06:54
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices and Android Leftovers: µduino, “Fandom Edition”, Amazon and Netfront Browser | Tux MachinesJun 29 06:55
MinceRhttps://twitter.com/astarrb/status/880170781841514496Jun 29 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@astarrb: .@Ubuntu Placing ads in the MOTD now? 😧 Really? https://t.co/beTTuXrZ5S https://t.co/1KVgWZfo6lJun 29 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bugs.launchpad.net | Bug #1701068 “motd.ubuntu.com currently shows media item (HBO's ...” : Bugs : base-files package : UbuntuJun 29 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@astarrb: .@Ubuntu Placing ads in the MOTD now? 😧 Really? https://t.co/beTTuXrZ5S https://t.co/1KVgWZfo6lJun 29 06:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880378982428028928Jun 29 06:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Events: Open Source Summit #Japan, #SeaGL 2017, #FLISoL,Jun 29 06:56
TweetTuxMachines                 #OpenStack Webinar, #SDC 2017Jun 29 06:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/rSVsrc9CJK (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 29 06:56
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 29 06:56
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Events: Open Source Summit Japan, SeaGL 2017, FLISoL, OpenStack Webinar, SDC 2017 | Tux MachinesJun 29 06:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880379475992743936Jun 29 06:59
TweetTuxMachines                 #RedHat and #Fedora LeftoversJun 29 06:59
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/a7wgDFLLvD (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 29 06:59
TweetTuxMachines                 #f26 #f25Jun 29 06:59
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 06:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 29 06:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880380162495438849Jun 29 07:03
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtosJun 29 07:03
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/7pKB8WHVn8 (www.tuxmachines.org) #howtoJun 29 07:03
TweetTuxMachines                 #unix #gnu #linuxJun 29 07:03
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 07:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 29 07:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880381160777555969Jun 29 07:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #LinuxFoundation Projects and Initiatives:Jun 29 07:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #OpenSecurityController (OSC), #CloudFoundry,Jun 29 07:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #Hyperledger and #XenJun 29 07:04
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/rKoAisIt9Y (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 07:04
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 07:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Projects and Initiatives: Open Security Controller (OSC), Cloud Foundry, Hyperledger and Xen | Tux MachinesJun 29 07:04
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#UbuntuMATE Software Boutique Package Manager Is Getting Support...'Jun 29 07:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880381708423639040Jun 29 07:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: #Wormhole, #Summernote, #Cipher, #Beast,Jun 29 07:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #Cylon, #Papirus Icon Theme, #Moe, #LibreOffice andJun 29 07:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #GamesJun 29 07:06
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/i86amUirXt (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 07:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Wormhole, Summernote, Cipher, Beast, Cylon, Papirus Icon Theme, Moe, LibreOffice and Games | Tux MachinesJun 29 07:06
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 07:06
*TweetTuxMachines @BobYelland retweeted @tuxmachines: '#LinuxFoundation Projects and Initiatives: #OpenSecurityController (OSC), #CloudFoundry, #Hyperledger...'Jun 29 07:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880382061361717248Jun 29 07:10
TweetTuxMachines                 today's #tuxmachines leftoversJun 29 07:10
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/KbXQeMeqxM (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 29 07:10
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 07:10
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Ubuntu Leftovers: #UbuntuCore, #MAAS, Ubuntu Foundations, and #UbuntuMATE...'Jun 29 07:13
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'New #systemd Vulnerability Affects Ubuntu 17.04 and Ubuntu...'Jun 29 07:14
*TweetTuxMachines @Snakku favourited 'Events: Open Source Summit #Japan, #SeaGL 2017, #FLISoL,...'Jun 29 07:17
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Devices and #Android Leftovers: #µduino, “Fandom Edition”, #Amazon...'Jun 29 07:23
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Events: Open Source Summit #Japan, #SeaGL 2017, #FLISoL,...'Jun 29 07:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880386386460856320Jun 29 07:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Links 29/6/2017: Entroware, Wine-Staging 2.11, PlasmaJun 29 07:29
TweetTuxMachines                 5.10.3 https://t.co/PKVkngDi5G (techrights.org)Jun 29 07:29
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 29/6/2017: Entroware, Wine-Staging 2.11, Plasma 5.10.3 | TechrightsJun 29 07:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880387690335797250Jun 29 07:33
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #RedHat and #Fedora LeftoversJun 29 07:33
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/a7wgDFLLvD (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 29 07:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 29 07:33
TweetTuxMachines                 #f26 #f25Jun 29 07:33
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 07:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880388647249489921Jun 29 07:35
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    today's howtosJun 29 07:35
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/7pKB8WHVn8 (www.tuxmachines.org) #howtoJun 29 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 29 07:35
TweetTuxMachines                 #unix #gnu #linuxJun 29 07:35
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 07:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880389145578942465Jun 29 07:38
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #LinuxFoundation Projects and Initiatives:Jun 29 07:38
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #OpenSecurityController (OSC), #CloudFoundry,Jun 29 07:38
TweetTuxMachines                 #Hyperledger and #XenJun 29 07:38
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/rKoAisIt9Y (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 07:38
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 07:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Projects and Initiatives: Open Security Controller (OSC), Cloud Foundry, Hyperledger and Xen | Tux MachinesJun 29 07:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880389981277229056Jun 29 07:42
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Software: #Wormhole, #Summernote, #Cipher, #Beast,Jun 29 07:42
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #Cylon, #Papirus Icon Theme, #Moe, #LibreOffice andJun 29 07:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #GamesJun 29 07:42
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/i86amUirXt (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 07:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Wormhole, Summernote, Cipher, Beast, Cylon, Papirus Icon Theme, Moe, LibreOffice and Games | Tux MachinesJun 29 07:42
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 07:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880390905072689155Jun 29 08:04
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    today's #tuxmachines leftoversJun 29 08:04
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/KbXQeMeqxM (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 29 08:04
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 08:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/reddish2/status/880396412659302400Jun 29 08:04
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Security:# GNU #Linux Updates, Reproducible Builds,Jun 29 08:04
TweetTuxMachines @reddish2       #Kaspersky, and "Choosing #Windows should get you fired"Jun 29 08:04
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/zvcJvRrpKQ (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: GNU/Linux Updates, Reproducible Builds, Kaspersky, and "Choosing Windows for your organization should get you fired" | Tux MachinesJun 29 08:04
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 08:04
*TweetTuxMachines @reddish2 favourited '#Security:# GNU #Linux Updates, Reproducible Builds, #Kaspersky, and...'Jun 29 08:29
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Is this what you call MAGA? Deals...'Jun 29 08:29
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump Is this what you call...'Jun 29 08:51
*TweetTuxMachines @topnotifier favourited 'Desktop: #PopcornLinux, #Purism, Distro Hopping, #System76, and 2017...'Jun 29 08:54
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump @Morning_Joe Fake President can only tolerate Fake...'Jun 29 08:56
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump @Morning_Joe Donald Trump 'has been screaming at...'Jun 29 08:56
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump @Morning_Joe Donald Trump 'has been...'Jun 29 09:00
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MinceRhttp://vid.pr0gramm.com/2017/06/29/fc9780aedb200975.mp4Jun 29 09:45
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schestowitzwhat is this?Jun 29 10:26
schestowitzpatent trap?Jun 29 10:26
schestowitzseems like it's some dubious URL/domainJun 29 10:27
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MinceRnot sure about patent statusJun 29 10:30
MinceRbut pr0gramm.com is hardly dubiousJun 29 10:30
*TweetTuxMachines @topnotifier favourited '#Entroware Launches Two New Ubuntu Laptops, for #Linux...'Jun 29 10:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880433554340986881Jun 29 10:32
TweetTuxMachines                 What is Docker? Linux containers explainedJun 29 10:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6sdx6wWCx2 (www.tuxmachines.org) #dockerJun 29 10:32
TweetTuxMachines                 #container #gnu #linuxJun 29 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What is Docker? Linux containers explained | Tux MachinesJun 29 10:32
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 10:32
*TweetTuxMachines @Grigortw retweeted @tuxmachines: 'What is Docker? Linux containers explained https://t.co/6sdx6wWCx2 #docker...'Jun 29 10:34
schestowitzMinceR: ah, okJun 29 10:35
schestowitzI saw this beforeJun 29 10:35
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schestowitzwe watched it here last yearJun 29 10:35
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'What is Docker? Linux containers explained https://t.co/6sdx6wWCx2 #docker...'Jun 29 10:38
*TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief retweeted @tuxmachines: 'What is Docker? Linux containers explained https://t.co/6sdx6wWCx2 #docker...'Jun 29 10:39
*TweetTuxMachines @Beezel_Bug favourited 'What is Docker? Linux containers explained https://t.co/6sdx6wWCx2 #docker...'Jun 29 10:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880439786837880832Jun 29 11:14
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Links 29/6/2017: Entroware, Wine-Staging 2.11, PlasmaJun 29 11:14
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    5.10.3 https://t.co/PKVkngDi5G (techrights.org)Jun 29 11:14
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 11:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 29/6/2017: Entroware, Wine-Staging 2.11, Plasma 5.10.3 | TechrightsJun 29 11:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/HummingShia/status/880444184141942787Jun 29 11:14
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    What is Docker? Linux containers explainedJun 29 11:14
TweetTuxMachines @HummingShia    https://t.co/6sdx6wWCx2 (www.tuxmachines.org) #dockerJun 29 11:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #container #gnu #linuxJun 29 11:14
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 11:14
*TweetTuxMachines @HummingShia favourited 'What is Docker? Linux containers explained https://t.co/6sdx6wWCx2 #docker...'Jun 29 11:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880450272690130946Jun 29 11:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #System76 Announces Pop!_OS, Their Own Linux Distro BasedJun 29 11:41
TweetTuxMachines                 on #Ubuntu and #GNOMEJun 29 11:41
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/PjF7e9u6a4 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 29 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 Announces Pop!_OS, Their Own Linux Distro Based on Ubuntu and GNOME | Tux MachinesJun 29 11:41
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 11:41
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#System76 Announces Pop!_OS, Their Own Linux Distro Based...'Jun 29 11:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/880451142358118401Jun 29 11:47
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Today in Techrights https://t.co/ihbMyDKC6WJun 29 11:47
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJun 29 11:47
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 11:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/880452595785101313Jun 29 11:50
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #System76 Announces Pop!_OS, Their Own Linux Distro BasedJun 29 11:50
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       on #Ubuntu and #GNOMEJun 29 11:50
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/PjF7e9u6a4 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 29 11:50
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 11:50
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#System76 Announces Pop!_OS, Their Own Linux Distro Based...'Jun 29 11:51
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#System76 Announces Pop!_OS, Their Own Linux Distro Based...'Jun 29 11:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880457900652679168Jun 29 12:11
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security: #OutlawCountry, #WatchGuard FUD, #SambaCryJun 29 12:11
TweetTuxMachines                 FUD, Overhyped #Systemd BugJun 29 12:11
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/2ZewUilqo4 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 29 12:11
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: OutlawCountry, WatchGuard FUD, SambaCry FUD, Overhyped Systemd Bug | Tux MachinesJun 29 12:11
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security: #OutlawCountry, #WatchGuard FUD, #SambaCry FUD, Overhyped #Systemd...'Jun 29 12:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880459389252935680Jun 29 12:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux 4.11.8 and moreJun 29 12:15
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/HQfNKuegEi (www.tuxmachines.org) #linuxJun 29 12:15
TweetTuxMachines                 #kernel #gplJun 29 12:15
TweetTuxMachines Jun 29 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.11.8 | Tux MachinesJun 29 12:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/880459606908162049Jun 29 12:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux-friendly COM Express duo taps PowerPC based QorIQsJun 29 12:17
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/VJL7SMZj67 (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux #ppcJun 29 12:17
TweetTuxMachines                 #powerpcJun 29 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux-friendly COM Express duo taps PowerPC based QorIQs | Tux MachinesJun 29 12:17
TweetTuxMachines