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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/868674900222935040May 28 00:41
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Debian Installer "Stretch" and Debian 9.0 "Stretch"May 28 00:41
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       Nearly Ready https://t.co/qD7T3dcr4x (tuxmachines.org)May 28 00:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #debian #gnu #linux #StretchMay 28 00:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868688673998491648May 28 00:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #Mainframes, #Servers, and #ContainersMay 28 00:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/qYiSkFw4hG (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 00:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswMay 28 00:42
TweetTuxMachines May 28 00:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Mainframes, Servers, and Containers | Tux MachinesMay 28 00:42
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Mainframes, #Servers, and #Containers https://t.co/qYiSkFw4hG #gnu #linux #freesw'May 28 00:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/868690000732446720May 28 01:28
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Mainframes, #Servers, and #ContainersMay 28 01:28
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       https://t.co/qYiSkFw4hG (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 01:28
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswMay 28 01:28
TweetTuxMachines May 28 01:28
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cubexyzI've added "the great suspender" to chromeMay 28 02:16
cubexyzwe'll see how well it worksMay 28 02:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868728476722806784May 28 03:21
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security : #Samba and #WannaCry https://t.co/x4y9Lc9SfNMay 28 03:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #windows #smb emulated =May 28 03:22
TweetTuxMachines                 trouble if misconfiguredMay 28 03:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Security: Samba and WannaCry | Tux MachinesMay 28 03:22
TweetTuxMachines May 28 03:22
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security : #Samba and #WannaCry https://t.co/x4y9Lc9SfN #microsoft #windows...'May 28 03:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/motters/status/868729512552542208May 28 03:30
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Debian Installer "Stretch" and Debian 9.0 "Stretch"May 28 03:30
TweetTuxMachines @motters        Nearly Ready https://t.co/qD7T3dcr4x (tuxmachines.org)May 28 03:30
TweetTuxMachines                 #debian #gnu #linux #StretchMay 28 03:30
TweetTuxMachines May 28 03:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Debian Installer "Stretch" and Debian 9.0 "Stretch" Nearly Ready | Tux MachinesMay 28 03:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868731043041361924May 28 03:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Distro News: #Alpine, #Devuan, and #openSUSEMay 28 03:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/yo3C6TzZx3 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 03:32
TweetTuxMachines May 28 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Distro News: Alpine, Devuan, and openSUSE | Tux MachinesMay 28 03:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868731592050524162May 28 03:33
TweetTuxMachines                 #GNOME : #Mutter, #gresg, and #GTKMay 28 03:33
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/c2jLnWzx6N (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 03:33
TweetTuxMachines May 28 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | GNOME: Mutter, gresg, and GTK | Tux MachinesMay 28 03:33
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Distro News: #Alpine, #Devuan, and #openSUSE https://t.co/yo3C6TzZx3 #gnu...'May 28 03:33
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GNOME : #Mutter, #gresg, and #GTK https://t.co/c2jLnWzx6N #gnu...'May 28 03:35
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn https://t.co/uAe1r9izfk'May 28 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn https://t.co/uAe1r9izfkMay 28 03:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GNOME : #Mutter, #gresg, and #GTK https://t.co/c2jLnWzx6N #gnu...'May 28 03:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/868735410037547009May 28 03:54
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Distro News: #Alpine, #Devuan, and #openSUSEMay 28 03:54
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       https://t.co/yo3C6TzZx3 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 03:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868737136882626560May 28 03:56
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/gIRzRsT3Gg (tuxmachines.org)May 28 03:56
TweetTuxMachines                 #howto #unix #gnu #linuxMay 28 03:56
TweetTuxMachines May 28 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 28 03:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868737557256781824May 28 03:56
TweetTuxMachines                 #Games and #Software Leftovers https://t.co/gssK3tlC9gMay 28 03:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #freeswMay 28 03:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Games and Software Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 28 03:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868737579406868480May 28 03:57
TweetTuxMachines                 #Kernel and #Graphics News https://t.co/GpglJnYQtyMay 28 03:57
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #linuxMay 28 03:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Kernel and Graphics News | Tux MachinesMay 28 03:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868737962963476480May 28 03:58
TweetTuxMachines                 Links 28/5/2017: #Mesa 17.1.1, #Wine 2.9, #KDevelop 5.1.1May 28 03:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/bH4I0N1lI7 (techrights.org)May 28 03:58
TweetTuxMachines May 28 03:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/5/2017: Mesa 17.1.1, Wine 2.9, KDevelop 5.1.1 | TechrightsMay 28 03:58
*TweetTuxMachines @Beezel_Bug favourited '#Kernel and #Graphics News https://t.co/GpglJnYQty #linux'May 28 04:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/gIRzRsT3Gg #howto #unix #gnu #linux'May 28 04:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Games and #Software Leftovers https://t.co/gssK3tlC9g #gnu #linux #freesw'May 28 04:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Kernel and #Graphics News https://t.co/GpglJnYQty #linux'May 28 04:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 28/5/2017: #Mesa 17.1.1, #Wine 2.9, #KDevelop 5.1.1...'May 28 04:00
*TweetTuxMachines @coolappsdaily favourited '#Games and #Software Leftovers https://t.co/gssK3tlC9g #gnu #linux #freesw'May 28 04:01
*TweetTuxMachines @codeappsweb favourited '#Games and #Software Leftovers https://t.co/gssK3tlC9g #gnu #linux #freesw'May 28 04:01
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Corbyn will bag it. Tories are in...'May 28 04:08
*TweetTuxMachines @KManango favourited '#Security : #Samba and #WannaCry https://t.co/x4y9Lc9SfN #microsoft #windows...'May 28 04:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Security: Samba and WannaCry | Tux MachinesMay 28 04:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn https://t.co/4TebNMGYY4'May 28 04:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn https://t.co/4TebNMGYY4May 28 04:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @pestononsunday Do a better job than Dianne...'May 28 05:11
*TweetTuxMachines @oldestlivingboy favourited '#Canonical Readies #Mesa 17.1.0 for Ubuntu 16.04 and...'May 28 05:37
acer-box        https://twitter.com/FYates94/status/868767508832157696May 28 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FYates94: @HorshamGardener @schestowitz @jeremycorbyn Typical Tory. Angrily bashing the keyboard with a fist until a politica… https://t.co/BowHD7uWliMay 28 05:56
acer-box"Typical Tory. Angrily bashing the keyboard with a fist until a political statement is typed #infinitemonkeys"May 28 05:56
acer-boxThe latest says 7 points https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/26/voting-intention-conservatives-43-labour-36-25-26-/ and YouGov is run by a ToryMay 28 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yougov.co.uk | YouGov | Voting Intention: Conservatives 43%, Labour 36% (25-26 May)May 28 05:59
*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited 'Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War III Is Coming...'May 28 06:18
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/dFfo3FK.gifvMay 28 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | ImgurMay 28 06:45
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sebsebsebhiMay 28 08:41
oiaohmsebsebseb: HiMay 28 08:44
oiaohmhttps://cgit.freedesktop.org/~airlied/mesa/log/?h=r600-rats&utm_source=phx   got to like using rats on a prototype branch.May 28 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cgit.freedesktop.org | ~airlied/mesa - Dave's mesa hackeryMay 28 08:45
sebsebseboiaohm: hiMay 28 08:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868884400959700993May 28 13:40
TweetTuxMachines                 #VoidLinux - the Strangely Overlooked DistributionMay 28 13:40
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/B06oH1GgXo (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 13:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Void Linux - the Strangely Overlooked Distribution | Tux MachinesMay 28 13:41
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#VoidLinux - the Strangely Overlooked Distribution https://t.co/B06oH1GgXo #gnu...'May 28 13:46
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#VoidLinux - the Strangely Overlooked Distribution https://t.co/B06oH1GgXo #gnu...'May 28 13:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/sb101sb/status/868889831635644416May 28 14:14
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #VoidLinux - the Strangely Overlooked DistributionMay 28 14:14
TweetTuxMachines @sb101sb        https://t.co/B06oH1GgXo (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 14:14
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange If that is intended to suggest that...'May 28 14:14
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange If that is intended to...'May 28 14:19
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange #trump going behind the backs of its...'May 28 14:19
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange #trump going behind the backs...'May 28 14:21
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @UKLabour Nicola #Sturgeon defends #Corbyn linking...'May 28 14:23
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn https://t.co/RkBrr2E1XV'May 28 14:57
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange A daily reality in Russia. How many...'May 28 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn https://t.co/RkBrr2E1XVMay 28 14:57
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange A daily reality in Russia....'May 28 15:14
*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited 'The Licensing and Compliance Lab interviews AJ Jordon...'May 28 15:28
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks SNP leader has just said the same,...'May 28 15:28
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks SNP leader has just said...'May 28 15:38
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn https://t.co/LhwUrWYzNA'May 28 15:44
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Very much doubt so. If anything, they'd...'May 28 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn https://t.co/LhwUrWYzNAMay 28 15:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn Very much doubt so. If...'May 28 15:47
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn The immediate imperative is getting...'May 28 15:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn The immediate imperative is getting #tories out...'May 28 15:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn There's no lack of money in circulation....'May 28 15:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn There's no lack of money...'May 28 16:00
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn https://t.co/N2DyUYzyfy'May 28 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn https://t.co/N2DyUYzyfyMay 28 16:00
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn https://t.co/N2DyUYzyfy'May 28 16:02
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn If you can maintain Single Market and...'May 28 16:02
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn If you can maintain Single...'May 28 16:29
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @Conservatives https://t.co/kvnQLMHiC1'May 28 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @Conservatives https://t.co/kvnQLMHiC1May 28 16:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868930978340773888May 28 16:45
TweetTuxMachines                 #FreeBSD News: 64-bit Inodes and #KDEMay 28 16:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/4uDxbhZbEr (tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unixMay 28 16:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD News: 64-bit Inodes and KDE | Tux MachinesMay 28 16:45
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FreeBSD News: 64-bit Inodes and #KDE https://t.co/4uDxbhZbEr #bsd...'May 28 16:48
*TweetTuxMachines @gurnaik retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FreeBSD News: 64-bit Inodes and #KDE https://t.co/4uDxbhZbEr #bsd...'May 28 16:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868944197704794112May 28 17:37
TweetTuxMachines                 These are the most exciting Linux powered devicesMay 28 17:37
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/vlOqZAeteT (tuxmachines.org) #linux #gnuMay 28 17:37
TweetTuxMachines                 #freedom #gplMay 28 17:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | These are the most exciting Linux powered devices | Tux MachinesMay 28 17:37
*TweetTuxMachines @motherfuckajew favourited 'These are the most exciting Linux powered devices...'May 28 17:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868944469113978880May 28 18:19
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    These are the most exciting Linux powered devicesMay 28 18:19
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/vlOqZAeteT (tuxmachines.org) #linux #gnuMay 28 18:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #freedom #gplMay 28 18:19
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868954889514135552May 28 18:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #GNOME and #GTK News: GNOME Release and MoreMay 28 18:19
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/dzMAK8e0lN (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 18:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | GNOME and GTK News: GNOME Release and More | Tux MachinesMay 28 18:19
*TweetTuxMachines @motherfuckajew favourited '#GNOME and #GTK News: GNOME Release and More...'May 28 18:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868955047962361856May 28 18:20
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux, #Blockchain, and #Graphics May 28 18:20
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/pUPEH69jnF (tuxmachines.org)May 28 18:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Linux, Blockchain, and Graphics | Tux MachinesMay 28 18:20
*TweetTuxMachines @motherfuckajew favourited '#Linux, #Blockchain, and #Graphics https://t.co/pUPEH69jnF'May 28 18:21
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868955355631329280May 28 18:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Father in law turns 70 today (bless him!). Coming backMay 28 18:21
TweetTuxMachines                 home Friday, won't cover #gnu #linux as much, sofollowMay 28 18:21
TweetTuxMachines                 @tuxmachines for all that...May 28 18:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GNOME and #GTK News: GNOME Release and More...'May 28 18:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868955441274904577May 28 18:42
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Linux, #Blockchain, and #Graphics May 28 18:42
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/pUPEH69jnF (tuxmachines.org)May 28 18:42
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks She is right. #trump is incompatible with...'May 28 18:45
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks She is right. #trump is...'May 28 18:55
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @JulianAssange Somehow I doubt that whistleblowers in...'May 28 18:55
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @JulianAssange Somehow I doubt that...'May 28 18:58
liberty_boxhttps://arstechnica.com/science/2017/05/i-was-struck-by-lightning-yesterday-and-boy-am-i-sore/May 28 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | I was struck by lightning yesterday—and boy am I sore | Ars TechnicaMay 28 19:31
liberty_box"Today, my whole body is sore—even my organs ache in a hard-to-describe way—but I feel lucky to have walked away unscathed. There's a fine line between awe and terror. I have now been inextricably nudged to the right of it."May 28 19:31
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DaemonFCSo, what's the plan for existing Ubuntu GNOME users? Do they just get updated to the next release and that's just "Ubuntu" now? I'd kind of like to know before I commit to installing something.May 28 19:58
DaemonFCI'm not too sure that I like Wayland anyway.May 28 20:05
DaemonFCI have a HiDPI display and when I tried out KDE on Wayland, I could only choose to scale 100%, 200%, etc. No 250% option.May 28 20:06
DaemonFCRyan FarmerMay 28 20:07
DaemonFCJust now · Chicago · May 28 20:07
DaemonFC"Microsoft Edge is safer than Chrome"May 28 20:07
DaemonFCFrom the company that brought you NTFS file locking on $MFT. :)May 28 20:07
DaemonFCI own some of Apple and Microsoft, indirectly.May 28 20:09
DaemonFCIndex fund. Can't avoid them if I want my money in the index. Not sure I'd want to anyway. They have been making a lot of money lately.May 28 20:10
DaemonFCThe return on bonds is pathetic nowadays. It's a safe place for your money to rapidly lose value to inflation. The US is paying 2.3% on ten year notes and that's "high" by the standards of the developed world.May 28 20:11
DaemonFCThe only way to get higher returns is to accept default risk on bonds from entities with lower credit ratings.May 28 20:11
DaemonFCSomeone will even lend Chicago Public Schools money, at triple the rate what a school system with good credit would pay.May 28 20:12
DaemonFCSo we're all trapped in the "most hated stock market rally ever".May 28 20:15
DaemonFCOf course they call it that because the rally is happening due to a mix of inflation and low bond returns. Everyone piles up to get into the stock market in the hopes of beating the rate on bonds and that's why the market goes up.May 28 20:15
DaemonFCI saw an article saying that Google and Amazon stocks are near $1,000 a share and that makes them easier to manipulate. The whole market is manipulated.May 28 20:16
DaemonFCIf the government was offering even 4-5% on bonds, which it was as recently as 20 years ago, people would pile out of the stock market and it would crash.May 28 20:16
DaemonFCThis is not comparable to the rally of the 1990s at all. That was a bubble, of course, but it was a bubble that formed despite higher interest rates because people were investing in technology stocks that they didn't understand (anything with a .com after it had a huge IPO even with no product).May 28 20:18
DaemonFCThis rally is the "lack of better options" one. The "everything bubble".May 28 20:18
DaemonFCMicrosoft is horribly horribly overvalued right now considering what their prospects are.May 28 20:19
DaemonFCIn a sane environment, they would either have to do a major share buyback or a higher dividend because when your stock value stops rising rapidly, investors eventually want the money somehow.May 28 20:20
liberty_boxtrueMay 28 20:21
liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/RicoMuscatel/status/868985855628718082May 28 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RicoMuscatel: @MCopeland1981 @schestowitz @JulianAssange Oh, please, are you really that gullible?May 28 20:23
DaemonFCAnyway, I've been really meaning to go Linux full time on this machine since November of last year. I installed the "Linux" BIOS and then kept it in RAID mode. Dabbling with Linux from a live environment, trying to get a feel for what works and what doesn't.May 28 20:24
DaemonFCSkylake mobile was such a major shake-up that many things in Linux just didn't work last year, or they worked and your laptop wouldn't go into low power mode, etc.May 28 20:24
DaemonFCI think the Linux 4.10 kernel is finally basically good enough to use, albeit I'll have to tinker to get some rough edges taken care of (powertop tuning, display scale problems, etc.).May 28 20:25
DaemonFCThe system spends most of its idle time in the deepest power saving mode with all of the tunables set, so that's encouraging.May 28 20:26
DaemonFCMatthew Garrett tested Linux 4.5 last year and estimated that under Windows it would idle at around 4 watts, and under Linux it would idle at around 8-9. With kernel 4.10 and some tuning, I'd be shocked if there was a major difference between Windows and Linux on battery life.May 28 20:27
DaemonFCI brought all of this up last year when Garrett was telling me that even if I got Lenovo to allow Linux installs it was no use because power policy sucked back then (about 6 months ago).May 28 20:28
DaemonFCI came back with "If we don't get them to allow Linux installs then nobody will ever be able to use Linux regardless of if and when the power management is good.".May 28 20:29
DaemonFCMy god that guy is short-sighted.May 28 20:29
DaemonFCAnd it got them to change their tune about the Yoga 910 as well, and ship it with AHCI support out of the box. That one went from crap power management on Linux to good about 4 months after it was released.May 28 20:30
DaemonFCToughing it out with Windows 10 for 4-6 months is better than being stuck with it for five years, or more.May 28 20:30
DaemonFCWhat happens if you can only run Windows and they put more ads and spam in it or start disabling features and making you pay to subscribe to everything but the "core system". We're getting there.May 28 20:31
DaemonFCThe "Surface S" runs a new crippled Windos SKU that won't run anything from outside the store -or- the Subsystem for Linux apps unless you pay $50, which is about what OEMs were paying for the license all along.May 28 20:32
DaemonFCI'd be interested in whether these things can run Linux.May 28 20:32
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cubexyzmy conscience is clear, no M$ stocksMay 28 20:47
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cubexyzxdpr is just a bash scriptMay 28 21:22
cubexyzit calls xwd and xprMay 28 21:22
oiaohmI thought that was a standard posix sh ie no bash extras.May 28 21:24
cubexyzright, rightMay 28 21:24
oiaohmcubexyz: because if it had become bash at some point that would have been a interesting goof up.May 28 21:27
cubexyzbash was first released in 1989 but xpdr is olderMay 28 21:28
cubexyzso far I haven't managed to get it to print :-/May 28 21:28
cubexyztypo again... xdprMay 28 21:29
cubexyzI don't think I can just pipe xwd output to lpMay 28 21:30
cubexyzok, I want the black and white reversed or I'm using too much toner May 28 21:32
oiaohmcubexyz: from memory no as lp is text or postscriptMay 28 21:32
oiaohmcubexyz: and newer versions support pdf as well.May 28 21:32
cubexyzah, yeah but xpr does the conversion to postscriptMay 28 21:34
cubexyzxdpr dump.xwd -rv | lp -d HPMay 28 21:34
cubexyzthat works, but I get an error.. stdin in emptyMay 28 21:35
cubexyzweirdMay 28 21:35
cubexyzI'm doing something not quite rightMay 28 21:36
cubexyzstdin is emptyMay 28 21:36
cubexyzdoh, I guess I don't pipe it at all :)May 28 21:41
cubexyzxdpr dump.xwd -rv May 28 21:41
cubexyzok, now I have some extra scrap paper :-PMay 28 21:42
cubexyzif anyone wants to see the source:May 28 21:44
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/xpr-1.0.1.tar.bz2May 28 21:45
cubexyzxpr has some nice command line settings for gamma correction and scalingMay 28 21:50
cubexyzI remember I used to do stuff like: cat test.txt > /dev/lp0 (output to parallel port)May 28 22:05
cubexyzcat file.txt | lp  May 28 22:06
cubexyzthat should also workMay 28 22:06
cubexyzof course "lp file.txt" works tooMay 28 22:07
cubexyzearly AIX on IBM RT had X10R3May 28 22:13
oiaohmMore I hear of microsoft usage of git more nightmare in design windows source code sounds.May 28 23:28
cubexyzyou can look at NT 4.0 codeMay 28 23:28
oiaohm300GB git repo sounds like something over due for splitting.May 28 23:28
cubexyzor maybe you have alreadyMay 28 23:28
oiaohmcubexyz: you use to be able to get XP source under educational usage only.    Yes this was highly stupid you were allowed to read the source but not build it.May 28 23:29
cubexyzpffftMay 28 23:30
oiaohmcubexyz: Ok you could bulid to only to confirm that the source and XP matched .May 28 23:30
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oiaohmSo a reporductable build testMay 28 23:30
oiaohmI don't know if 7 and 10 has programs like that around I would suspect so.May 28 23:31
oiaohmThis is what lead to NSA and other collecting known back doors.May 28 23:31
cubexyzJudge Kollar-Kotelly ordered M$ to disclose windows XP source I thinkMay 28 23:32
cubexyzand I noted you said "used to"May 28 23:33
oiaohmhttps://m.thhttps://m.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/21/caldera_case_expert_to_reviewMay 28 23:34
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oiaohmhttps://m.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/21/caldera_case_expert_to_review/May 28 23:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-m.theregister.co.uk | Caldera case expert to review Windows XP source code • The RegisterMay 28 23:34
oiaohmcubexyz: it happened a few times.May 28 23:35
cubexyzreall would you really want to sift through all that?May 28 23:35
cubexyzreallyMay 28 23:35
cubexyzI'd rather just forget about itMay 28 23:36
oiaohmhttp://windowsitpro.com/windows-server/microsoft-grants-windows-source-code-access-mvps  then you have this starting in 2003May 28 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-windowsitpro.com | Microsoft Grants Windows Source Code Access to MVPs | Windows Server content from Windows IT Pro [ http://ur1.ca/qxnp2 ]May 28 23:36
oiaohmso the idea that windows is closed source and people cannot be using automated tools against it to find faults who are not microsoft is bogus.May 28 23:36
cubexyzAllchin ranks high on the list of Microsoft jerksMay 28 23:39
cubexyz"We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger"May 28 23:39
cubexyzoh and this is another gem:May 28 23:40
oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Laboratories,_Inc._v._Berkeley_Software_Design,_Inc.  I am not sure I am unhappy about what happened to NovellMay 28 23:41
cubexyz"You should make sure it has problems in the future:May 28 23:41
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cubexyzDR-DOS commentMay 28 23:41
cubexyzso remember Allchin was a jerkMay 28 23:41
oiaohmcubexyz: do remember Novell has a long history of being jerks taking other people copyrighted works and stripping the credit.May 28 23:41
oiaohmWhat happened to Dr-dos that was a jerk.May 28 23:42
cubexyzha, and DR-DOS used some utilities from FreeDOSMay 28 23:43
cubexyzbut whatever, I'm never going to be a microsoft MVPMay 28 23:44
oiaohmcubexyz: worse utilities from freedos under GPL license and they did not obey license and stripped out credit markings.May 28 23:46
oiaohmcubexyz: and that back traces to being performed at Novell.May 28 23:46
cubexyzI'm more of a Bell Labs + BSD fan reallyMay 28 23:47
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera_%28company%29  and that leads to the SCO groups desperations.May 28 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Caldera (company) - WikipediaMay 28 23:48
oiaohmcubexyz: yes SCO suing Linux comes out of NovellMay 28 23:48
cubexyzVenix and Xenix and all that... I never got anything but small scraps of source codeMay 28 23:48
oiaohmNovell copyright thief who has caused lots of companies harm.May 28 23:49
cubexyzthe one everyone remembers fondly was Unix v7May 28 23:49
oiaohmMicrosoft hating Novell is kind of a given.  All companies who watched Novell history would not have wanting to be doing business with them as it was a great way to get burnt.May 28 23:50
cubexyzmost companies do evil thingsMay 28 23:50
oiaohmSelling products you don't own?  Novell common play card.May 28 23:50
oiaohmYes most companies do evil things.   Most don't go selling stuff they don't own.May 28 23:51
oiaohmcubexyz: Novell is the second car salesman who regularly got caught selling cars they don't own of the software world.May 28 23:53
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cubexyzoh btw...May 29 00:03
cubexyzBell Labs recently allowed non-commercial study of the source code of Unix v8, v9 and v10May 29 00:04
cubexyzhttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/30/old_unix_source_code_opened_for_study/May 29 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Samizdat no more: Old Unix source code opened for study • The RegisterMay 29 00:04
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oiaohmcubexyz: that opens up Pandora for claims of taint.   I really hate non-commercial clauses.May 29 00:07
oiaohmcubexyz: http://monster6502.com/ I am sure I mentioned about this one to your before.May 29 00:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-monster6502.com | MOnSter 6502May 29 00:08
oiaohmDaemonFC: Windows 10 S is because OEMs don't want to pay for Windows licenses and Microsoft has to make it money some how.May 29 00:09
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DaemonFCAs long as you can still nuke Windows and install some other operating system, that's just fine.May 29 00:09
DaemonFCAt least the OEM won't pay Microsoft and then build the cost of the license into the computer.May 29 00:10
DaemonFCSomething tells me it'll be Lenovo 2.0. They just find some way to prevent Linux from being installed and "oops".May 29 00:10
cubexyzI have v8 running on emulated vax780May 29 00:11
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cubexyzno idea what v9 and v10 can run onMay 29 00:11
cubexyzoh wait, I doMay 29 00:12
cubexyzv9 can run on Sun-3May 29 00:13
cubexyzthe old motorola 68020 cpuMay 29 00:14
cubexyzyeah I think monster 6502 was announced about a year agoMay 29 00:18
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cubexyzthere's a newer version of the Lanam APL in thereMay 29 00:41
cubexyzin Unix v10May 29 00:41
cubexyzlooks like Unix v10 was VAX onlyMay 29 00:47
cubexyzVax-11/750, Vax-11/780 and microvax II and IIIMay 29 00:48
cubexyzI don't think I'm going to be running v10 anytime soon :-/May 29 00:50
oiaohmcubexyz: https://github.com/simh/simhMay 29 01:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - simh/simh: The Computer History Simulation ProjectMay 29 01:25
cubexyzoiaohm, there's no disk imageMay 29 01:26
oiaohmcubexyz: simh has Vax-11/750 and Microvax IIMay 29 01:26
oiaohmcubexyz: and I guess it missing the source to the boot loader and getting the build tools to work will be hell.May 29 01:27
cubexyzI already have unix v8 running on simh, plus a bunch of other onesMay 29 01:27
oiaohmVax-11/780 is in there as well.May 29 01:28
oiaohmSo the only one missing unless it under some other name is microvax IIIMay 29 01:29
oiaohmcubexyz: wonder if unix v8 can build unix v10 source.May 29 01:31
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DaemonFCVery strange bug in Fedora.May 29 01:44
cubexyzit's odd how v9 drifted unto Sun3May 29 01:44
DaemonFCI posted to Facebook.May 29 01:44
DaemonFCI checked out a Fedora live image with the latest updates as of 5-23 and GNOME and Wayland seem to work well enough, except that my volume control buttons worked and then something happened and they did not work anymore. I tried rebooting, shutting down, etc. No dice.May 29 01:44
DaemonFCThey work in Windows. If I go to the GNOME Settings app and pick buttons to assign to volume up, down, and mute it detects them as I press the button, and they work as F1, F2, and F3 if I hold down the Fn key.May 29 01:44
DaemonFCI googled it. Seems to be a problem that happens now and then. The only answer is to run GNOME in an X11 session. Boo! That's not what I want!May 29 01:44
DaemonFCoiaohm, Wayland still seems rough around the edges.May 29 01:45
DaemonFCI think it's odd that Fedora is including MP3 playback (public domain on that end now) but Ubuntu won't, but what Ubuntu *will* do is obviously violate the GPL with ZFS, which is under an incompatible license.May 29 01:47
DaemonFCTheir lawyers apparently disagree. I'm not sure that I'd (a) trust that MINORITY legal opinion and (b) bait Oracle into suing me.May 29 01:48
cubexyzsome folks are running v9 on TMEMay 29 01:48
DaemonFCThey already managed to go judge shopping in the US until they found one that says that you can copyright an API.May 29 01:48
DaemonFCDoes Ubuntu really want to ship Oracle code that *is* copyrighted and almost certainly has that copyright being infringed?May 29 01:49
cubexyzwouldn't OpenZFS be ok to use?May 29 01:50
DaemonFCDoes Ubuntu really want to ship Oracle code that *is* copyrighted and almost certainly has that copyright being infringed?May 29 01:51
DaemonFCerrMay 29 01:51
DaemonFCstupid up keyMay 29 01:51
DaemonFCcubexyz, The way I heard it is that Ubuntu is shipping Linux kernel code under the CDDL (the ZFS module) and claiming that it's alright because being a loadable module doesn't make you a derived work of the kernel. "The Nvidia defense"May 29 01:52
DaemonFCIt seems like Fedora is shipping Wayland out when it's clearly not ready to go.May 29 01:54
DaemonFCLike most of the F25 Known Issues involve Wayland.May 29 01:54
DaemonFCThen there's this. May 29 01:54
DaemonFChttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?component=wayland&product=Wayland&resolution=---May 29 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.freedesktop.org | Bugzilla is pondering your searchMay 29 01:54
DaemonFCOf course, it _is_ Fedora. They're well known for shipping things before they are known to work properly and then the users are supposed to spend all their time filing bugs on it.May 29 01:55
DaemonFCTechnology testbed more than an operating system.May 29 01:55
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oiaohmDaemonFC: I agree wayland is still a work in progress.   There is only so far you can get before starting more broad testing.May 29 04:09
DaemonFCSo, my volume keys only work if I'm holding down the Alt button on Fedora 25. Any ideas?May 29 04:10
oiaohmDaemonFC: really I don't know how that would be different thinking both wayland and X11 should be using libinput backend.May 29 04:10
DaemonFCWell, it seems to work fine under X, but not under Wayland.May 29 04:11
oiaohmDaemonFC: its a reportable bug.  Most likely people testing it have not had keyboards with those keys.May 29 04:12
oiaohmDaemonFC: I would think your x.org would be using libinput?May 29 04:12
oiaohmDaemonFC: it is possilbe that you x11 is not using libinput https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LibinputMay 29 04:13
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liberty_box_> Hi, Roy,May 29 06:58
liberty_box_> May 29 06:58
liberty_box_> I was at a shop the other day and noticed they had about two dozenMay 29 06:58
liberty_box_> notebooks. None were Chromebooks and all but four or five Apples wereMay 29 06:58
liberty_box_> Vista 10.  The interesting thing was that not a single one of theMay 29 06:58
liberty_box_> Vista10 machines had a M$ or Windoze label on it.May 29 06:58
liberty_box_> May 29 06:58
liberty_box_> I think I mentioned that before around a year or two ago.  It's stillMay 29 06:58
liberty_box_> the case that both trademarks have become a liability.May 29 06:59
liberty_box_> May 29 06:59
liberty_box_> For another example, look at the silver sponsors of this conference:May 29 06:59
liberty_box_> May 29 06:59
liberty_box_> https://www.ieee-security.org/TC/SP2017/May 29 06:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ieee-security.org | IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy 2017May 29 06:59
liberty_box_> May 29 06:59
liberty_box_> Notice M$ is trying to shrink its visibility while attempting toMay 29 06:59
liberty_box_> increase influence.May 29 06:59
liberty_box_2 days ago we went to 5 computer store s here. None had GNU/Linux or even CHromebooks. But that depends on the country.May 29 06:59
liberty_box_https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/869145237490470912May 29 06:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz XDMay 29 06:59
oiaohmcubexyz: https://gitlab.com/esr/open-adventure  I guess you have seen this?May 29 07:15
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MinceRhttp://random.cat/i/dDVns.gifMay 29 15:37
DaemonFChttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/01/debian_stretch_omits_secure_boot/May 29 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Secure Boot booted from Debian 9 'Stretch' • The RegisterMay 29 15:47
DaemonFCSo basically every computer made now will not boot to Debian without user intervention.May 29 15:48
DaemonFCI wonder what their plan is if Secure Boot can't be turned off at some point and they don't boot at all.May 29 15:48
DaemonFCNot that I agree with what Ubuntu did either.May 29 15:50
MinceRthey'll buy windows, obviouslyMay 29 15:50
MinceRthey swallowed systemd with joyMay 29 15:51
MinceRthey swallowed Restricted Boot with joyMay 29 15:51
MinceRthey'll swallow windows with joyMay 29 15:51
DaemonFCThey enforce Secure Boot down to the kernel level, so you can't addd your own unsigned modules unless you add a Machine Owner's Key to shim.May 29 15:51
MinceRyet they somehow expect me to pay for that appliance and to buy electricity and internet access for itMay 29 15:52
DaemonFCBut the problem with that is that malware that manages to elevate its privileges could just add its own signing key to shim and then load a malicious kernel module.May 29 15:52
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DaemonFCSo, you might as well only enforce secure boot until you get to grub.May 29 15:53
DaemonFCFrom a security viewpoint.May 29 15:53
MinceRyou might as well never enforce secure bootMay 29 15:53
DaemonFCMinceR, It gets worse.May 29 15:53
MinceRit always doesMay 29 15:53
MinceRit's the specialty of our speciesMay 29 15:53
DaemonFCIf you turn off Secure Boot, Ubuntu and Fedora COMPLAIN on boot that they are booting in insecure mode.May 29 15:53
DaemonFCIt's a wart. It leaves a line in your system log. That's about all.May 29 15:54
DaemonFCI can't see any reason why a user would want to leave it on and allow Microsoft to decide whether to keep signing shim or not.May 29 15:54
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DaemonFCWindows enforces Secure Boot now. It won't start up at all without it unless you already had Secure Boot off when you installed a version of Windows 10 that didn't enforce that.May 29 15:55
MinceRwell, of courseMay 29 15:56
DaemonFCIt just prints to the screen a thing that tells you to go into your BIOS and turn Secure Boot back on.May 29 15:56
MinceRcanonical and red hat serve m$ nowMay 29 15:56
MinceRthey're licking asatya nadella's bootsMay 29 15:56
MinceRi can't see any reason why a user would want to run ubuntu or fedoraMay 29 15:57
DaemonFCMinceR, Pretty soon, the only way to run either of them will be as apps from the Windows Store.May 29 15:57
MinceRor debian8, for that matterMay 29 15:57
DaemonFCThen they'll be kicked out of there too.May 29 15:57
MinceRindeedMay 29 15:57
DaemonFCMinceR, I see, a few years down the road.....May 29 15:59
DaemonFC"We're discontinuing support for the Windows Subsystem for Linux, but don't worry. Here are some Visual Studio plug-ins to convert your apps to the Universal Windows Platform.May 29 15:59
MinceR:>May 29 15:59
MinceRand for the super low price of $99/year, you'll even get to run the resulting binaries!May 29 16:00
MinceR(may be revoked at any time)May 29 16:00
DaemonFCThey've been inching closer to that.May 29 16:00
DaemonFCWindows 10 S is a trial balloon to see if they can get people to accept that.May 29 16:00
MinceRas are iphonesMay 29 16:01
DaemonFCMinceR, It may reach a point where I *have* to buy a Macbook.May 29 16:01
DaemonFCI know, I know. Too expensive....Barf... Why?May 29 16:01
DaemonFCYou go to a Linux dev conference these days and upwards of 70% are using Macbooks.May 29 16:02
MinceRi suspect crApple will lock crapbooks down in lockstep with m$May 29 16:02
MinceRwell yeah, the industry is full of amateurs who have no clue what they're doingMay 29 16:02
DaemonFCIt's reached the point where it's all the people who are building Linux are really doing a great job to support, because they use it themselves.May 29 16:02
MinceRit shows everywhereMay 29 16:02
MinceRmost of our software is garbage and most of our hardware is garbageMay 29 16:02
DaemonFCThen you report a problem with your PC laptop and none of them care. (Matthew Garrett)May 29 16:02
DaemonFCOr they attack you. (Matthew Garrett)May 29 16:02
DaemonFCOr they make excuses for Microsoft and Intel. (Matthew Garrett)May 29 16:03
MinceRwe'll have to start building our own cpusMay 29 16:03
DaemonFCIt seems to be getting there.May 29 16:03
DaemonFCMight as well start setting back some money and getting ready to massively overpay for a System76?May 29 16:03
DaemonFCThen it's their job to make sure Ubuntu works. I might not stick to Ubuntu, but if Ubuntu works, most any distro should.May 29 16:04
DaemonFCOr one of those Dell XPS laptops. Might go that route next time.May 29 16:04
DaemonFCIt's getting back to the bad old days when you have to restrict yourself to known good configurations or it's unlikely to run Linux at all, and that's due to UEFI, bad OEMs like Lenovo, etc.May 29 16:05
DaemonFCAnd there they were telling us that UEFI wasn't an assault on Linux, and it's been nothing but that.May 29 16:06
MinceRmaybe they'll make sure lendows works but no unixes doMay 29 16:06
DaemonFCIt was almost impossible to find a PC with a legacy BIOS that wouldn't run Linux.May 29 16:06
MinceRand we get to start the fight over for laptops that can run unixMay 29 16:06
DaemonFCMaybe there were bugs, but you add some hardware quirks and it's good again.May 29 16:06
DaemonFCI'm wondering if those Surface laptops with Windows 10 S will be restricted to Windows.May 29 16:07
MinceRprobablyMay 29 16:08
MinceRit's m$, after allMay 29 16:08
DaemonFCI'm saying 80/20 on that. On one hand, up until now MSFT has been pretty liberal on what you can run on your Surface and most of the problems were just that there was a new piece of hardware. Like you needed a touchpad driver or something.May 29 16:08
MinceRand they'll probably be garbage quality like beforeMay 29 16:08
DaemonFCOn the other, it's subsidized hardware now, and they really really want you to py for the Windows upgrade that lets you use it as a general purpose computer again.May 29 16:08
DaemonFCMinceR, Wait and see approach.May 29 16:09
DaemonFCI'm done buying hardware and then fighting shitty OEMs later.May 29 16:09
MinceR:>May 29 16:10
DaemonFCI'll just let someone else step in it and see what a google search turns out.May 29 16:10
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DaemonFChttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5p3xtr/the_wayland_situation_facts_about_x_vs_wayland/#bottom-commentsMay 29 16:28
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DaemonFCMinceR, Why do I get the impression that Wayland is turning into LightDM redux?May 29 16:29
DaemonFC"It's really really light and thin.....Oh, and now every compositor that wants to talk with it has to implement all these things that X11 already took care of."May 29 16:29
DaemonFCIt seems more like shifting development hassle away from the Wayland devs and to everyone who wants to make a window manager.May 29 16:30
MinceRlolMay 29 16:30
DaemonFCIt also means that without standard core features provided by Wayland, that everyone is going to implement those features with their own code, and you'll get crazy bugs that only crop up when you use a certain window manager, which would have been easier to track down and kill with X.May 29 16:31
DaemonFCWayland is more like a thin wrapper thatt handles "the last mile", but it shifts complexity out to everyone else and creates a lot of work there.May 29 16:31
MinceRdon't worry, gnome will get it all done, all wrong, and they'll try all the tricks in m$'s book to force it on youMay 29 16:32
DaemonFCSo, the bigger projects like GNOME and KDE will have native Wayland support, but the smaller ones will tell you to load Wayland and talk between Wayland and their window manager with XWayland.May 29 16:32
MinceRs/done/half done/May 29 16:32
MinceRand the bigger projects will also depend on systemd :>May 29 16:33
DaemonFCAnd even though XWayland was supposed to be "at least as fast" as using X directly now, and "maybe faster" and "certainly with less tearing", people are finding out that (a) They lose performance with Wayland directly and they lose more performance with XWayland talking to Wayland, (b) Wine using XWayland makes video games unplayable and doesn't let you turn off vsync, (c) either way, they have to log out and use a "GNOME on X" session.May 29 16:34
DaemonFCOh, and Wayland broke some of my hotkeys for some reason and nobody is sure why.May 29 16:35
MinceRlolMay 29 16:35
MinceRso it's far from  stable -- which means it's the perfect time to force it on all users!May 29 16:35
MinceRright, red hat supporters? :>May 29 16:35
DaemonFCMinceR, Bonus: the GNOME Wayland session is horribly unstable on Fedora 26. Crashes every few minutes. Caused four delays already.May 29 16:36
DaemonFCMinceR, By the time they get it working well enough that a stable operating system might be interested in using it, it'll be about 6 years since the first code commit and like two distributions will be using it by default, both with fallbacks.May 29 16:37
DaemonFCOh, and you'll only be able to use it with GNOME because KDE on Wayland is roughly where GNOME was last year.May 29 16:37
DaemonFCSo much for their "thin wrapper".May 29 16:38
DaemonFCMinceR, Wayland is turning out to be as much of a disaster as the early days of Pulseaudio.May 29 16:39
DaemonFCIt ust doesn't handle the use cases that they said it would, so nobody wants to ship it except Fedora, which ships broken stuff all the time.May 29 16:39
DaemonFChttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GNOME3.24May 29 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/GNOME3.24 - FedoraProjectMay 29 16:43
DaemonFCone of the new features is "browse as root" in the file managerMay 29 16:43
DaemonFCPretty sure that Konquerer and Nautilus could do that 20 years ago.May 29 16:44
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MinceR:>May 29 16:50
MinceRbut won't that option confuse users?May 29 16:50
MinceRlike the print dialog options did?May 29 16:50
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/logical-fallaciesMay 29 16:55
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DaemonFCMinceR, According to the interview about why X waas bad, it came up that it used to have its own print server.May 29 17:07
DaemonFCIt was removed after someone added printing support to glxgears,May 29 17:07
MinceRlolMay 29 17:08
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DaemonFC"Wayland is already in need of extensions to provide functionality that X11 offered by design out of the box. A “clean, fresh start, designed with the requirements of the current decade in mind” that needs extensions before it even gets off the launching pad is hardly what I would call a good design."May 29 17:22
MinceRwell, modularity would be niceMay 29 17:23
MinceRbut putting one half of the window manager in the display server and the other in the gui toolkit is not modularityMay 29 17:24
MinceRit's just bad designMay 29 17:24
MinceRbut at least that could be fixed without too much fussMay 29 17:24
DaemonFCI get that X11 is becoming a pain though. One of the developers said there's only 3 people who really understand xinput and he wishes he wasn't one of them.May 29 17:26
MinceR:>May 29 17:26
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=x_wayland_situation&num=1May 29 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Wayland Situation: Facts About X vs. Wayland - PhoronixMay 29 17:26
DaemonFCI) We've spent the last 10 years or so “fixing” the X server by wrapping it in more and more extensions and plugins. Problem with that though is...X only has minimal versioning support in its extension system.May 29 17:27
DaemonFC            A) Versioning is handled per client, not per bind. So if your app supports one version of a given extension but your toolkit supports another, you can't predict which version of that extension you will get.May 29 17:27
DaemonFC            B) Theoretical example: Rekonq supports Xinput 2.2. Kdelibs support Xinput 2.0, Flash plugin only supports Core X11...all of those things are gonna fight over what version of Input “Rekonq” supports and in the end you're gonna get one version to support everything...may not be the version that EVERYTHING supports though.May 29 17:27
MinceR:>May 29 17:27
DaemonFCFIGHT!May 29 17:28
DaemonFCFINISH HIM!May 29 17:28
DaemonFCFLAWLESS VICTORY!May 29 17:28
DaemonFCMinceR, I assume that was probably what caused Rekonq to crash so much when I was trying to use it with Flash.May 29 17:29
MinceRcould beMay 29 17:29
MinceRcould also be flash being garbageMay 29 17:29
DaemonFCThere's that.May 29 17:29
DaemonFCFor a long time, I had to use that nspluginwrapper thing on it to bridge the 32-bit Flash plugin to 64-bit Firefox.May 29 17:30
DaemonFCThat was a nightmare.May 29 17:30
DaemonFCAnd it tried to wrap every npapi plugin it could find too, including the ones that it wasn't compatible with.May 29 17:30
DaemonFCMinceR, I used to have to do all kinds of horrible things to make Linux work, like ndiswrapper.May 29 17:31
MinceRi didn'tMay 29 17:32
DaemonFCI had a wifi chipset that only had a Windows XP driver.May 29 17:32
DaemonFCSo to use it, I had to install ndiswrapper and use the Windows XP driver on Linux.May 29 17:32
DaemonFCIt was surprisingly stable considering...May 29 17:32
DaemonFCKind of annoying to try to set up a new Linux install with no wifi driver though.May 29 17:33
DaemonFCIt would be impossible on this laptop without an ethernet dongle.May 29 17:33
MinceRi never had such garbage chipsetsMay 29 17:33
DaemonFCIn fact, the original Fedora 25 installer shipped before the kernel had a wifi driver.May 29 17:34
DaemonFCSo if you load the original installer disk, you won't have a driver and have no way to get on the internet.May 29 17:34
MinceRwhat's worse, you'll end up with fedoraMay 29 17:35
DaemonFCThe distributions should probably go grab all of the new wifi chipset drivers from the latest kernel and include them.May 29 17:35
DaemonFCMinceR, That's actually why the staging tree is built by default in most distributions.May 29 17:36
DaemonFCIt's usually better to have a staging tree driver than none at all.May 29 17:36
DaemonFCMinceR, Everything that ends up in Fedora ends up everywhere else later.May 29 17:36
DaemonFCAnd if it doesn't, they'll make sure that things break in the distributions that refuse it.May 29 17:37
MinceRthose things are to be avoided, thenMay 29 17:37
MinceRfor they are cancer.May 29 17:37
DaemonFCGobbling up the whole world and forcing it to depend on systemd, for example.May 29 17:37
DaemonFCHostile takeover.May 29 17:37
DaemonFCThey even end up fforcing their software into Ubuntu, sooner or later.May 29 17:38
MinceRnot difficultMay 29 17:38
DaemonFCEverything that Ubuntu was working on is now officially dead.May 29 17:38
MinceRunfortunately except for ubuntuMay 29 17:38
DaemonFCMinceR, I tried saying that none of it would be sustainable a few years back when I filed a bunch of bugs against libindicators.May 29 17:39
DaemonFCThe track record of distributions going it alone with their own software is pretty bad.May 29 17:40
DaemonFCEven if it's something small, like a file manager.May 29 17:40
MinceRexcept for ratcrap, apparentlyMay 29 17:40
DaemonFCratcrap?May 29 17:40
DaemonFCOh, Flatpak?May 29 17:40
DaemonFCThat's an interesting project, I think.May 29 17:40
MinceRway too much cancer to listMay 29 17:40
DaemonFCFlatpak works around dependency hell and lets you simply install software.May 29 17:41
DaemonFCAnd the software keeps working even if you change distributions or upgrade or whatever.May 29 17:41
MinceRprovided that you have systemdMay 29 17:42
DaemonFCThere's been previous attempts at doing this.May 29 17:42
MinceRat which point the whole thing is pointlessMay 29 17:42
MinceRyou'll just have to use the implementation of said software that is built into systemdMay 29 17:42
DaemonFCWell, every major distribution has systemd at this point.May 29 17:42
MinceRor into the kernelMay 29 17:42
MinceRyes, every lendows distribution has itMay 29 17:42
MinceRand none of them matterMay 29 17:42
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MinceRif i wanted to run a huge unreliable unsecire black box full of back doors, i'd just run winblowsMay 29 17:43
DaemonFCI think that Devuan will eventualyl cease to exist.May 29 17:43
MinceRwe'll seeMay 29 17:43
DaemonFCThere will be a point where they are maintaining too many forks and give up.May 29 17:43
MinceRdepends on how many unix users remainMay 29 17:43
MinceRand if there aren't enough to keep gnu/linux alive, then we'll keep some bsd aliveMay 29 17:44
DaemonFCThat's the whole point of gobbling up hundreds of pieces of software and making the upstream only work with systemd.May 29 17:44
MinceRand that's what didn't work with windowsMay 29 17:44
DaemonFCMinceR, I think that even the BSDs will give up sooner or later.May 29 17:44
DaemonFCIt's more likely that systemd just ends up being ported to them.May 29 17:44
MinceRthen i'll run outdated unixMay 29 17:45
MinceRthere's a reason i stopped using windows as much as i couldMay 29 17:45
MinceRgiving the same atrocious design a different name won't change thatMay 29 17:45
DaemonFCI think they're in better shape to fight this though, because they maintain a lot of their own stuff to avoid the GPL.May 29 17:45
DaemonFCSo maybe some Linux distributions start using the BSD stuff.May 29 17:46
MinceRand before these retards came over from winblows and brought their moronic culture with them, gnu/linux users understood thatMay 29 17:46
MinceRand i doubt those users ceased to existMay 29 17:46
MinceRmaybe they don't realize how broken lendows is yet, but eventually they willMay 29 17:46
DaemonFCMinceR, I wouldn't take that for granted.May 29 17:47
MinceRswitching OSes once didn't make the desire to use a fundamentally unfucked system go awayMay 29 17:47
DaemonFCThe Steam User Survey lines up against browser stats shows that 90% (if not more) Linux users are heavily concentrated between Ubuntu, Fedora, and OpenSuSE.May 29 17:48
DaemonFCBut mostly Ubuntu.May 29 17:48
MinceR> u know the worst part about being a pedophile? fitting in.May 29 17:48
MinceRthat 90% is probably the clueless partMay 29 17:48
DaemonFCUbuntu became the de facto Linux distribution because it provided a coherent setup at a time when there really wasn't one.May 29 17:49
DaemonFCIt took years for Debian to even have a Live installer disc, and it still won't boot unless you can turn Secure Boot off.May 29 17:49
DaemonFCThe more things you have to stop and explain to the user, the more likely they are to just use Windows.May 29 17:49
DaemonFCFedora and Debian refuse to play files and won't tell you what you need to make them work.May 29 17:50
DaemonFCAverage user says: "Well this sucks." and goes away.May 29 17:50
DaemonFCNow, Richard Stallman says that "advertising non-free software is bad", but really most of what you need these days isn't non-free, it's just patented in some countries.May 29 17:51
DaemonFCThose patents aren't going to expire for decades, and when they do, there will be something else, if there isn't already.May 29 17:51
DaemonFCFor example, h.264, AAC, h.265.May 29 17:52
DaemonFCThere are free implementations, but US patents stop them from being easy to distribute.May 29 17:52
DaemonFCThat's one reason why I was glad that Trump stopped the TPP. Hopefully, whatever "free trade" deal the other members sign doesn't recognize the US "IP" laws TPP was designed to push on them.May 29 17:53
DaemonFCNow that the US isn't involved, there's no reason to entertain that.May 29 17:53
MinceRubuntu is garbage, fedora is garbage and as of version 8, debian is garbage tooMay 29 17:54
MinceRwindows always was garbage, people got tired of itMay 29 17:54
DaemonFCI'm probably going to install Kubuntu, but I haven't made up my mind yet.May 29 17:55
MinceRpeople will get tired of their computer failing to boot and/or shut downMay 29 17:55
DaemonFCI like staying close to Ubuntu for the compatibility.May 29 17:55
MinceRi like staying close to unix for the sanityMay 29 17:55
DaemonFCI'm not sure if Ubuntu GNOME will get an upgrade file that turns it into Ubuntu proper in the next version.May 29 17:55
DaemonFChttp://www.pcworld.com/article/3139812/laptop-computers/after-protest-lenovo-brings-linux-compatibility-to-yoga-900-and-900s.htmlMay 29 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After protest, Lenovo adds Linux compatibility to Yoga 900 and 900S laptops | PCWorldMay 29 17:57
DaemonFCThis is a Linux-only BIOS, meaning it should be used only by those who want to load the OS. If you want to continue with Windows, do not load the firmware. “This BIOS is not intended to be used on machines running Windows operating systems,” Lenovo said.May 29 17:57
DaemonFChehMay 29 17:57
DaemonFCIt can be. About the only difference is it unhides ACHI in Storage Controller Mode.May 29 17:57
DaemonFCLenovo made it difficult to install though. You have to enable BIOS backflash first, because otherwise it tells you it's an older BIOS and won't install it.May 29 17:58
MinceRyeah, but they still want to scare users away from itMay 29 17:58
DaemonFCBy implying it'll blow up your computer if you install it.May 29 17:59
DaemonFCMinceR, I'll probably just use Kubuntu. Other than some minor nits, like scaling issues, it seems to work okay.May 29 18:07
DaemonFCHiDPI displays in Linux still seem to be problematic.May 29 18:08
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DaemonFCMinceR, Now I laugh whenever I think of Fedora because of that stupid song.May 29 18:11
DaemonFCMy anaconda don't want none unless you got buns, hun.May 29 18:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869315154864820224May 29 18:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Development: #JavaScript, #PHP, and #GCC May 29 18:13
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/915Cus6QAn (tuxmachines.org)May 29 18:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Development: JavaScript, PHP, and GCC | Tux MachinesMay 29 18:13
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Development: #JavaScript, #PHP, and #GCC https://t.co/915Cus6QAn'May 29 18:13
MinceRDaemonFC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdyU_gW6WEMay 29 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bustin - YouTubeMay 29 18:15
*TweetTuxMachines @JSTweetsBot retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Development: #JavaScript, #PHP, and #GCC https://t.co/915Cus6QAn'May 29 18:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869317202301771776May 29 18:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: #MAAS, Browsers, #GNU #libmicrohttpd and MoreMay 29 18:20
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ij93xSK0Bg (tuxmachines.org) #freesw news...May 29 18:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Software: MAAS, Browsers, GNU libmicrohttpd and More | Tux MachinesMay 29 18:20
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #MAAS, Browsers, #GNU #libmicrohttpd and More https://t.co/ij93xSK0Bg...'May 29 18:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/dev_listings/status/869319238149865476May 29 18:58
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Development: #JavaScript, #PHP, and #GCC May 29 18:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869329139685146624May 29 19:07
TweetTuxMachines                 #Android Leftovers https://t.co/RTWw1ut8PeMay 29 19:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #google #linuxMay 29 19:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 29 19:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869329304848547840May 29 19:07
TweetTuxMachines                 #Debian and #Ubuntu news roundup https://t.co/aLcxIwVhVKMay 29 19:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org)  #gnu #linuxMay 29 19:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Debian and Ubuntu | Tux MachinesMay 29 19:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869329412298203137May 29 19:08
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers https://t.co/qmgHTvXR7MMay 29 19:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers https://t.co/RTWw1ut8Pe #google #linux'May 29 19:08
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian and #Ubuntu news roundup https://t.co/aLcxIwVhVK #gnu...'May 29 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 29 19:08
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/qmgHTvXR7M'May 29 19:14
DaemonFCHmmm. Looks like with Kubuntu, my CPU package never gets out of pc2. At least in the live environment. May 29 19:15
DaemonFCFedora gets to pc8. Same major kernel versions.May 29 19:15
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869330970985414656May 29 19:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Just another gentle reminder: starting this weekend (backMay 29 19:22
TweetTuxMachines                 home) @tuxmachines will handle most of the #gnu #linuxMay 29 19:22
TweetTuxMachines                 and #freesw news (not me)May 29 19:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869333050626236421May 29 19:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #RaspberryPi foundation merges with #CoderDojo FoundationMay 29 19:23
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/TtmYwRtoG7 (tuxmachines.org) #raspi #linuxMay 29 19:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #hardwareMay 29 19:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi foundation merges with CoderDojo Foundation | Tux MachinesMay 29 19:23
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines retweeted @schestowitz: 'Just another gentle reminder: starting this weekend (back...'May 29 19:23
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RaspberryPi foundation merges with #CoderDojo Foundation https://t.co/TtmYwRtoG7 #raspi...'May 29 19:23
cubexyzMinceR, you have to be more accurate...May 29 19:34
cubexyzwhat you really mean is Fedora is garbage _now_May 29 19:35
cubexyzFC1 was pretty goodMay 29 19:35
cubexyzalso redhat 8 and redhat 9 were decentMay 29 19:36
oiaohmFC4-FC5 is when fedora started turning into a heavy test bed.May 29 19:39
DaemonFCFedora is hit or miss.May 29 19:40
DaemonFCThey finally got the distribution upgrade thing to work right from what I've read.May 29 19:40
DaemonFCThat only took forever.May 29 19:40
DaemonFCOf course, some people only had problems because of AtRPMs or something, which clobbers system files and tends to create conflicts when you dist-upgradeMay 29 19:41
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cubexyzI may load up whatever fb I need for the slack boxMay 29 19:42
cubexyzctrl-alt-backspace and then stuck in an unresponsive console :-/May 29 19:43
cubexyzand I see that's been a problem for slack for a while nowMay 29 19:44
*TweetTuxMachines @StayBeauti_ful favourited '#RaspberryPi foundation merges with #CoderDojo Foundation https://t.co/TtmYwRtoG7 #raspi...'May 29 19:45
cubexyzI wonder if it's just "modprobe intelfb"May 29 19:46
cubexyzmaybe I'll just telinit 3 inteadMay 29 19:57
cubexyzI used to just "init 3"May 29 19:59
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange https://t.co/oQwL3FPsCU'May 29 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@trevortimm: Nothing says "let's celebrate the First Amendment!" like "please don't criticize the president who wants to see us… https://t.co/7ZJWMwuo3IMay 29 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@trevortimm: Nothing says "let's celebrate the First Amendment!" like "please don't criticize the president who wants to see us… https://t.co/7ZJWMwuo3IMay 29 20:00
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cubexyzok, fbset --info says "inteldrmfb"May 29 20:03
cubexyzso maybe that's not even a LKMMay 29 20:03
*TweetTuxMachines @webmastersguard favourited '#Debian and #Ubuntu news roundup https://t.co/aLcxIwVhVK #gnu...'May 29 20:04
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cubexyzok, then I'll just /sbin/telinit 3 from now onMay 29 20:07
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @Lenin https://t.co/5Ij0wJRj7r'May 29 20:11
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TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869346534155890688May 29 20:18
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Just another gentle reminder: starting this weekend (backMay 29 20:18
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    home) @tuxmachines will handle most of the #gnu #linuxMay 29 20:19
TweetTuxMachines                 and #freesw news (not me)May 29 20:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @tryittoo03 retweeted @schestowitz: 'Just another gentle reminder: starting this weekend (back...'May 29 20:22
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TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/H2PllznWkg (tuxmachines.org)May 29 20:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #howto #unix #gnu #linux #cliMay 29 20:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869348428983050241May 29 20:24
TweetTuxMachines                 #KDE / #Qt : Qt 5.9 RC2, #Qbs 1.8, and #FreeBSD KDEMay 29 20:24
TweetTuxMachines                 Rehousing  https://t.co/mtqIrbdHRB (tuxmachines.org) #bsdMay 29 20:24
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #freeswMay 29 20:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | KDE/Qt: Qt 5.9 RC2, Qbs 1.8, and FreeBSD KDE Rehousing | Tux MachinesMay 29 20:24
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/H2PllznWkg #howto #unix #gnu #linux #cli'May 29 20:24
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#KDE / #Qt : Qt 5.9 RC2, #Qbs...'May 29 20:27
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks I'd pay to watch the lawsuit https://t.co/2TnuFivnfj'May 29 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @wikileaks I'd pay to watch the lawsuit https://t.co/2TnuFivnfjMay 29 20:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869350686743339008May 29 20:33
TweetTuxMachines                 #Kubic Project Announced  https://t.co/uGDvq9K3ZaMay 29 20:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #freesw #suse #opensuseMay 29 20:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Kubic Project Announced | Tux MachinesMay 29 20:33
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Kubic Project Announced https://t.co/uGDvq9K3Za #freesw #suse #opensuse'May 29 20:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869352138492616704May 29 20:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #SparkyLinux 4.6 to Be Based on #Debian #GNU #Linux 9May 29 20:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #Stretch , Will Use Linux 4.11 https://t.co/OmW9JBwGTFMay 29 20:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #freeswMay 29 20:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | SparkyLinux 4.6 to Be Based on Debian GNU/Linux 9 "Stretch," Will Use Linux 4.11 | Tux MachinesMay 29 20:39
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #KDE / #Qt : Qt 5.9 RC2, #Qbs 1.8, and #FreeBSD KDEMay 29 20:47
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       Rehousing  https://t.co/mtqIrbdHRB (tuxmachines.org) #bsdMay 29 20:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/869354504327766016May 29 20:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Old plot. WikiLeaks: US, Israel, And Saudi...'May 29 20:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Old plot. WikiLeaks: US, Israel,...'May 29 20:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869356269240438784May 29 20:56
TweetTuxMachines                 28-Way #NVIDIA #GeForce GPU Comparison On #Ubuntu : FromMay 29 20:56
TweetTuxMachines                 GeForce 8 To GeForce 1080 https://t.co/IMcJqFQf2nMay 29 20:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #canonical #gnu #linux #phoronixMay 29 20:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | 28-Way NVIDIA GeForce GPU Comparison On Ubuntu: From GeForce 8 To GeForce 1080 | Tux MachinesMay 29 20:57
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @dwnews @wikileaks She was the lucky...'May 29 20:57
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@dwnews @wikileaks She was the lucky one... https://t.co/vn2CQtK2GL'May 29 20:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869425073014185984May 30 01:59
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @theresa_may Have mercy on her. That's too...'May 30 02:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869441626191446016May 30 02:35
TweetTuxMachines                 #Ubuntu / #Debian: #Peppermint 8, #BlackLab EnterpriseMay 30 02:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux 11, #UbuntuPhone, and Debian/ #TeXLive 2017May 30 02:35
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NlJmqe33aE (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 30 02:35
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DaemonFCClient: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "zesty" 17.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6560U CPU @ 2.20GHz (500MHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.2 GiB Total (13.5 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 69.5 GB / 1.0 TB (941.8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Iris Graphics 540 @ Intel Corporation Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 13m 12sMay 30 02:38
DaemonFCMinceR, No more Windows 10 on this computer.May 30 02:41
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn This, in turn, can create more jobs...'May 30 04:02
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn This, in turn, can create...'May 30 04:04
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869464376692031488May 30 04:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Not #backtowork until next week. Looking forward toMay 30 04:05
TweetTuxMachines                 passing most/all #gnu #linux stuff to @tuxmachinesMay 30 04:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (better partitioning) #backtoworkMay 30 04:05
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MinceRcubexyz: not sure about that, rpm and whatever they put on top of it probably always suckedMay 30 14:34
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/pW5MGiL.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/pW5MGiL )May 30 14:36
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/XHRsZlB.pngMay 30 15:03
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/XHRsZlB.pngMay 30 15:04
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MinceRdamn lagMay 30 15:04
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/m4ISyc8.jpgMay 30 15:16
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/RUveMXB.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/RUveMXB )May 30 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | 850 year old spa in JapanMay 30 16:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869656649731940353May 30 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #Tizen Devices, #Applications, and #GamesMay 30 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/gmX9f4fRNn (tuxmachines.org) #samsung #koreaMay 30 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #freesw #tizenOSMay 30 16:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Tizen Devices, Applications, and Games | Tux MachinesMay 30 16:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869656858855825408May 30 16:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers https://t.co/ogijKoUeLaMay 30 16:50
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #debianMay 30 16:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869656986790445056May 30 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Graphics News https://t.co/0H0DfFGIVM (tuxmachines.org)May 30 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #drm #graphics #mesa #vulkan #linux #freeswMay 30 16:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 30 16:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869657063265157120May 30 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/WKtKWiCpxn (tuxmachines.org)May 30 16:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #unix #howtoMay 30 16:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 30 16:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/ogijKoUeLa #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #debian'May 30 16:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Graphics News https://t.co/0H0DfFGIVM #drm #graphics #mesa #vulkan #linux...'May 30 16:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/WKtKWiCpxn #gnu #linux #unix #howto'May 30 16:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/ExponetUSA/status/869659306182021122May 30 17:05
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Graphics News https://t.co/0H0DfFGIVM (tuxmachines.org)May 30 17:05
TweetTuxMachines @ExponetUSA     #drm #graphics #mesa #vulkan #linux #freeswMay 30 17:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869661053675753472May 30 17:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #Fedora and #RedHat https://t.co/FNaQNYhA9dMay 30 17:06
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #freeswMay 30 17:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Fedora and Red Hat | Tux MachinesMay 30 17:06
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/146Uguq.jpgMay 30 17:08
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Fedora and #RedHat https://t.co/FNaQNYhA9d #gnu #linux #freesw'May 30 17:09
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @UKLabour https://t.co/zNpR4ixrSv'May 30 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @aubergineFTW @vegantittie @RomPomPopperty @jeremycorbyn @UKLabour https://t.co/3kHleIFlSgMay 30 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @UKLabour https://t.co/zNpR4ixrSvMay 30 17:09
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MinceR>VII) Multi-monitors is a client problem. Same with multiple graphics cards (Optimus). Wayland only wants buffers filled with pixel and to be told where to display them. It doesn't care how they got there.May 30 17:18
MinceRi wonder how that's supposed to workMay 30 17:18
MinceR>X) As a security precaution...your screensaver and locker are apart of the compositor. This has an added benefit because your compositor (Eg: kwin) DOES understand your media keys, so even while your screen is locked you can still mute your media.May 30 17:19
MinceRbloatMay 30 17:19
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MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbltowcHPX0May 30 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fist It (Eat Da Poo Poo Remix ) - YouTubeMay 30 17:44
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @UKLabour https://t.co/PsVq5xWWc6'May 30 17:44
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@LatuffCartoons @JulianAssange https://t.co/azCM0lO8iq'May 30 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @LatuffCartoons @JulianAssange https://t.co/azCM0lO8iqMay 30 17:44
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @LatuffCartoons @JulianAssange https://t.co/azCM0lO8iq'May 30 17:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869672661319770112May 30 17:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as #Cobol app moves toMay 30 17:52
TweetTuxMachines                 x86 Linux https://t.co/XeghevyWA4 (tuxmachines.org) #gnuMay 30 17:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #lzlabs #mainframeMay 30 17:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as #Cobol app...'May 30 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as Cobol app moves to x86 Linux | Tux MachinesMay 30 17:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869672794002292737May 30 18:13
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as #Cobol app moves toMay 30 18:13
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    x86 Linux https://t.co/XeghevyWA4 (tuxmachines.org) #gnuMay 30 18:13
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #lzlabs #mainframeMay 30 18:13
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Whatever you do, if you...'May 30 18:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup favourited '#Fedora and #RedHat https://t.co/FNaQNYhA9d #gnu #linux #freesw'May 30 18:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup favourited '#WineStaging 2.9 https://t.co/w4Yz3iCz4T #wine #freesw #gnu #linux #unix...'May 30 18:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/869683919838363649May 30 18:52
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #WineStaging 2.9 https://t.co/w4Yz3iCz4TMay 30 18:52
TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup  (tuxmachines.org) #wine #freesw #gnu #linux #unixMay 30 18:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #reactosMay 30 18:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Watch what the Debian dev (not you)...'May 30 18:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Watch what the Debian dev...'May 30 18:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869688879212658690May 30 19:57
TweetTuxMachines                 @schestowitz @JulianAssange "video recording withMay 30 19:57
TweetTuxMachines                 insubordination to the legal demands of the police, andMay 30 19:57
TweetTuxMachines                 mass disorder." https://t.co/4K9HunhG1v (twitter.com)May 30 19:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-advox.globalvoices.org | Russian Math Instructor Faces Criminal Charges for Online Posts He Says He Didn’t Write - Global Voices AdvocacyMay 30 19:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869704264913887232May 30 19:58
TweetTuxMachines                 #GTK and #GNOME News https://t.co/nKnwOfYAliMay 30 19:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #freesw #gpsMay 30 19:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869704435944927236May 30 20:34
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #GTK and #GNOME News https://t.co/nKnwOfYAliMay 30 20:34
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #freesw #gpsMay 30 20:34
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869720446819647488May 30 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: Image Editing, #OpenShot, #FreeTuxTV, #Nageru,May 30 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 and #Scribus https://t.co/a1jY7TLLRT (tuxmachines.org)May 30 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #gnu #linuxMay 30 21:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/demuxer/status/869744326552821760May 30 23:12
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Software: Image Editing, #OpenShot, #FreeTuxTV, #Nageru,May 30 23:12
TweetTuxMachines @demuxer        and #Scribus https://t.co/a1jY7TLLRT (tuxmachines.org)May 30 23:12
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #gnu #linuxMay 30 23:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/devgirlzero/status/869754600143937540May 30 23:55
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as #Cobol app moves toMay 30 23:55
TweetTuxMachines @devgirlzero    x86 Linux https://t.co/XeghevyWA4 (tuxmachines.org) #gnuMay 30 23:55
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #lzlabs #mainframeMay 30 23:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as Cobol app moves to x86 Linux | Tux MachinesMay 30 23:55
cubexyzhttp://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/12/genius-among-us-sad-story-william-j-sidis/May 30 23:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.todayifoundout.com | A Genius Among Us: The Sad Story of William J. Sidis [ http://ur1.ca/qxuzo ]May 30 23:56
cubexyzpractically a greek tragedy :-(May 30 23:58
cubexyzI knew it ended badly but I never realized how badMay 30 23:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/ptheoiasptk/status/869765335305662465May 31 00:39
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Software: Image Editing, #OpenShot, #FreeTuxTV, #Nageru,May 31 00:39
TweetTuxMachines @ptheoiasptk    and #Scribus https://t.co/a1jY7TLLRT (tuxmachines.org)May 31 00:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #gnu #linuxMay 31 00:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869800208179240960May 31 02:19
TweetTuxMachines                 2018 #Toyota #Camry packs an open-source #Linux -basedMay 31 02:19
TweetTuxMachines                 infotainment system https://t.co/c4otjx41QJMay 31 02:19
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org)May 31 02:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | 2018 Toyota Camry packs an open-source Linux-based infotainment system | Tux MachinesMay 31 02:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869800361317384192May 31 02:47
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    2018 #Toyota #Camry packs an open-source #Linux -basedMay 31 02:47
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    infotainment system https://t.co/c4otjx41QJMay 31 02:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org)May 31 02:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '2018 #Toyota #Camry packs an open-source #Linux -based...'May 31 03:03
TweetTuxMachines@2green          https://twitter.com/2green/status/869812538233507840May 31 03:14
TweetTuxMachines                 The latest Linux Stuff Daily! https://t.co/clvOgTzbPqMay 31 03:14
TweetTuxMachines                 (paper.li) Thanks to @linuxsound @tuxmachines @katun79May 31 03:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #kernelMay 31 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Linux Stuff DailyMay 31 03:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869814335031222272May 31 03:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Gaming News https://t.co/0VOxlQczOZ (tuxmachines.org)May 31 03:15
TweetTuxMachines                 #games #gnu #linux #gamingMay 31 03:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Gaming News | Tux MachinesMay 31 03:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869814472042463232May 31 03:15
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/hyWydCjIk6 (tuxmachines.org)May 31 03:15
TweetTuxMachines                 #howto #unix #gnu #linuxMay 31 03:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 31 03:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869814571313360898May 31 03:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers https://t.co/ZiWoWlJ57CMay 31 03:16
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org)May 31 03:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869814765622657024May 31 03:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Development: #RedHat on #Java, Coding Camp, #Bitnami,May 31 03:17
TweetTuxMachines                 #GitHub, #ScyllaDB, #Gollvm and MoreMay 31 03:17
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/vXhKEC4mtx (tuxmachines.org)May 31 03:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Development: Red Hat on Java, Coding Camp, Bitnami, GitHub, ScyllaDB, Gollvm and More | Tux MachinesMay 31 03:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869814922489679872May 31 03:18
TweetTuxMachines                 #Fedora and #RedHat https://t.co/HL9Z8jciKJMay 31 03:18
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 31 03:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Fedora and Red Hat | Tux MachinesMay 31 03:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869815159836954624May 31 03:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #Android Leftovers: #Nokia, #Asus, #YouTube, andMay 31 03:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #AndroidPay https://t.co/GxyOpdDvFb (tuxmachines.org)May 31 03:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Gaming News https://t.co/0VOxlQczOZ #games #gnu #linux #gaming'May 31 03:19
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/hyWydCjIk6 #howto #unix #gnu #linux'May 31 03:19
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/ZiWoWlJ57C'May 31 03:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers: Nokia, Asus, YouTube, and Android Pay | Tux MachinesMay 31 03:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Gaming News | Tux MachinesMay 31 03:19
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Development: #RedHat on #Java, Coding Camp, #Bitnami, #GitHub,...'May 31 03:19
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Fedora and #RedHat https://t.co/HL9Z8jciKJ #gnu #linux'May 31 03:19
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers: #Nokia, #Asus, #YouTube, and #AndroidPay https://t.co/GxyOpdDvFb'May 31 03:23
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn https://t.co/auiiKxL1Yl'May 31 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn https://t.co/auiiKxL1YlMay 31 03:23
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn https://t.co/auiiKxL1Yl'May 31 03:26
*TweetTuxMachines @MindstreamStu favourited '#Android Leftovers: #Nokia, #Asus, #YouTube, and #AndroidPay https://t.co/GxyOpdDvFb'May 31 03:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/869822526364426240May 31 04:08
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Fedora and #RedHat https://t.co/HL9Z8jciKJMay 31 04:08
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 31 04:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869921911416922112May 31 10:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/sf4X0Ejk3qMay 31 10:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #volvo #andyrubinMay 31 10:29
TweetTuxMachines                 #youtube #waze #koreaMay 31 10:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869923719119949824May 31 10:44
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Android Leftovers https://t.co/sf4X0Ejk3qMay 31 10:44
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #volvo #andyrubinMay 31 10:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #youtube #waze #koreaMay 31 10:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The rich and powerful. Who does Trump...'May 31 10:58
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Mostly a a corporate event, with politicians...'May 31 11:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Watch her crumble. Truly incredible! https://t.co/OVTEWwADTE so...'May 31 11:20
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn Watch her crumble. Truly incredible!...'May 31 11:24
*TweetTuxMachines @morecobol favourited '#Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as #Cobol app...'May 31 12:02
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @seanhannity Sometimes Fox does this, e.g. with...'May 31 12:14
*TweetTuxMachines @samknutson favourited '#Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as #Cobol app...'May 31 12:21
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @UKLabour Everyone in #nhs knows it, but...'May 31 12:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869958975982141440May 31 12:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #EUPL Becomes #GPLv3 -compatible, #GPL Defended by CourtsMay 31 12:50
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/gPZa4W4DNX (tuxmachines.org) #gplv3 #europeMay 31 12:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #eu #licensing #freeswMay 31 12:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#EUPL Becomes #GPLv3 -compatible, #GPL Defended by Courts...'May 31 13:03
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/auWavpz.jpgMay 31 13:46
MinceRhttp://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/dd2-19.jpgMay 31 13:50
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/qMWEWaj.gifvMay 31 14:02
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Questioning may be tough and unfair. Seeing...'May 31 14:33
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/phone-sexMay 31 15:04
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn Questioning may be tough and...'May 31 15:21
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Maybe they'll spend the next 7 years...'May 31 15:21
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlpddwFq4bgMay 31 15:21
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Maybe they'll spend the next...'May 31 15:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870000506231439360May 31 15:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #Containers: #Cisco, #CoreOS, Blocks of Containers, andMay 31 15:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #Kubernetes https://t.co/kgJHA7tAWd (tuxmachines.org)May 31 15:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #openstack #freeswMay 31 15:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Containers: #Cisco, #CoreOS, Blocks of Containers, and #Kubernetes...'May 31 15:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/ITCrowdsource/status/870002394783916032May 31 15:49
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Containers: #Cisco, #CoreOS, Blocks of Containers, andMay 31 15:49
TweetTuxMachines @ITCrowdsource  #Kubernetes https://t.co/kgJHA7tAWd (tuxmachines.org)May 31 15:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #openstack #freeswMay 31 15:49
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @funder @joncoopertweets @JoyAnnReid @justin_kanew @Derry_London @NathanLerner @safeagain1...'May 31 15:49
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange @funder @joncoopertweets @JoyAnnReid @justin_kanew @Derry_London...'May 31 15:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/sockeyes51_bot/status/870006698521444352May 31 16:01
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Containers: #Cisco, #CoreOS, Blocks of Containers, andMay 31 16:01
TweetTuxMachines @sockeyes51_bot  #Kubernetes https://t.co/kgJHA7tAWd (tuxmachines.org)May 31 16:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #openstack #freeswMay 31 16:01
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Swedes wrongly accused of murder: https://t.co/mV9A6eF4hM …...'May 31 16:01
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Swedes wrongly accused of murder:...'May 31 16:05
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TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870009329864200193May 31 16:24
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    @JulianAssange We came, we saw, he died.May 31 16:24
TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines    https://t.co/BdO8CijqJXMay 31 16:24
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn #wengerout I mean, #toriesOut https://t.co/1XkQ6AzVlb...'May 31 16:38
DaemonFCI've hit two weird bugs in Ubuntu so far. May 31 16:44
DaemonFCGNOME doesn't remember my backlight preferences and to connect to my Bluetooth soundbar I have to do this every boot.May 31 16:45
DaemonFChttps://askubuntu.com/questions/824404/bluetooth-speaker-connected-but-not-listed-in-sound-outputMay 31 16:45
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MinceRhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/great-barrier-reef-dying-coral-bleaching-global-warming-australia-climate-change-a7761351.htmlMay 31 17:05
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/Yze4nll.gifvMay 31 17:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870040937350574080May 31 18:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Tizen Spreading in Homes https://t.co/CDRLxZIvWhMay 31 18:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #tizen #linux #tizenOS #samsungMay 31 18:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/870041529473130496May 31 18:32
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Tizen Spreading in Homes https://t.co/CDRLxZIvWhMay 31 18:32
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (tuxmachines.org) #tizen #linux #tizenOS #samsungMay 31 18:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870045224633905152May 31 18:32
TweetTuxMachines                 #KDE: #Krita, #FreeBSD, #Cutelyst 1.7.0, and #Qt May 31 18:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/cPOGpm0K7n (tuxmachines.org) #plasma #gnuMay 31 18:32
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #bsd #unix #kf5May 31 18:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/870045372067880960May 31 18:47
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #KDE: #Krita, #FreeBSD, #Cutelyst 1.7.0, and #Qt May 31 18:47
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/cPOGpm0K7n (tuxmachines.org) #plasma #gnuMay 31 18:47
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #bsd #unix #kf5May 31 18:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#KDE: #Krita, #FreeBSD, #Cutelyst 1.7.0, and #Qt ...'May 31 18:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870049829157609472May 31 18:53
TweetTuxMachines                 #Mesa Development News https://t.co/P2r04fQImuMay 31 18:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #graphics #linux #freesw #kernelMay 31 18:53
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Mesa Development News https://t.co/P2r04fQImu #graphics #linux #freesw #kernel'May 31 18:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870051878385590272May 31 18:59
TweetTuxMachines                 21-Way NVIDIA Fermi/Kepler/Maxwell/Pascal #OpenCL #GPUMay 31 18:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Comparison https://t.co/jQkAbrzLw0 (tuxmachines.org)May 31 18:59
TweetTuxMachines                 #nvidia #graphics #gnu #linux #benchmarkMay 31 18:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/870052152915378176May 31 19:08
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    21-Way NVIDIA Fermi/Kepler/Maxwell/Pascal #OpenCL #GPUMay 31 19:08
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Comparison https://t.co/jQkAbrzLw0 (tuxmachines.org)May 31 19:08
TweetTuxMachines                 #nvidia #graphics #gnu #linux #benchmarkMay 31 19:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870054465423810560May 31 19:10
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers https://t.co/27xKCbuRilMay 31 19:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org)May 31 19:10
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/27xKCbuRil'May 31 19:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870055044787261440May 31 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Early Look At #Debian 9.0 Performance vs. Debian 8.8,May 31 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #Ubuntu 17.04, #CentOS 7, #ClearLinuxMay 31 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/qgNFYU5Hbi (tuxmachines.org) #benchmark #gnuMay 31 19:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxMay 31 19:14
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Early Look At #Debian 9.0 Performance vs. Debian...'May 31 19:14
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*TweetTuxMachines @KU5H4L retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Early Look At #Debian 9.0 Performance vs. Debian...'May 31 19:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870057274256916480May 31 19:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/spYstBRkSzMay 31 19:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google #androidpayMay 31 19:20
TweetTuxMachines                 #blackberry #oneplusMay 31 19:20
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/870057350077468672May 31 19:54
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Android Leftovers https://t.co/spYstBRkSzMay 31 19:54
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google #androidpayMay 31 19:54
TweetTuxMachines                 #blackberry #oneplusMay 31 19:54
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange If anything, Wikileaks is a lot more...'May 31 19:54
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange If anything, Wikileaks is a...'May 31 20:09
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@MuckRock @JulianAssange "The illegal we do immediately; the...'May 31 20:09
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @MuckRock @JulianAssange "The illegal we do...'May 31 20:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870076685537861632May 31 20:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Events and Talks: #openSUSE Conference 2017, #ownCloudMay 31 20:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Conference 2017, #RISCV Workshop https://t.co/g2E5GQwczuMay 31 20:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org)  #germany #suseMay 31 20:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870076802558853120May 31 20:38
TweetTuxMachines                 #Kernel and #Graphics News  https://t.co/NFZkAe6whlMay 31 20:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #linuxMay 31 20:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870076940757024768May 31 20:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: #Tilix, #Guake, #Scribus, #TeamViewer and More May 31 20:38
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/4LnU6eQhxr (tuxmachines.org) #freeswMay 31 20:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870077044654096384May 31 20:39
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/j6SGU5hgoO (tuxmachines.org)May 31 20:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #unix #linux #gnu #howtoMay 31 20:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870077236996591616May 31 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 #GTK and #GNOME News https://t.co/RNDuFA28ZwMay 31 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #freeswMay 31 20:40
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Events and Talks: #openSUSE Conference 2017, #ownCloud Conference...'May 31 20:40
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Kernel and #Graphics News https://t.co/NFZkAe6whl #linux'May 31 20:40
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #Tilix, #Guake, #Scribus, #TeamViewer and More ...'May 31 20:40
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/j6SGU5hgoO #unix #linux #gnu #howto'May 31 20:40
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GTK and #GNOME News https://t.co/RNDuFA28Zw #gnu #linux #freesw'May 31 20:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870077737544728576May 31 20:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat News https://t.co/r98FHCxyvo (tuxmachines.org)May 31 20:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #redhat #gnu #linuxMay 31 20:42
TweetTuxMachines May 31 20:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870077834663927809May 31 20:43
TweetTuxMachines                 #Debian and #Ubuntu https://t.co/JIvnpV6iLuMay 31 20:43
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 31 20:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870077969246543872May 31 20:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Web Browsers: #WebAssembly and #Mozilla 's Open-SourceMay 31 20:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Hackathon https://t.co/kqwfyR2X9F (tuxmachines.org)May 31 20:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #chrome #google #freeswMay 31 20:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870078124725227521May 31 20:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #Server Side: #MariaDB, #IBM, and #MicrosoftMay 31 20:44
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ARFYIbIbvX (tuxmachines.org) #freesw #dbMay 31 20:44
TweetTuxMachines May 31 20:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870078216010055680May 31 20:44
TweetTuxMachines                 today's leftovers https://t.co/Yrhw6atRPkMay 31 20:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #freeswMay 31 20:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat News https://t.co/r98FHCxyvo #redhat #gnu #linux'May 31 20:45
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian and #Ubuntu https://t.co/JIvnpV6iLu #gnu #linux'May 31 20:45
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Web Browsers: #WebAssembly and #Mozilla 's Open-Source Hackathon...'May 31 20:45
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Server Side: #MariaDB, #IBM, and #Microsoft https://t.co/ARFYIbIbvX #freesw...'May 31 20:45
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's leftovers https://t.co/Yrhw6atRPk #gnu #linux #freesw'May 31 20:45
*TweetTuxMachines @jayd_1992 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Web Browsers: #WebAssembly and #Mozilla 's Open-Source Hackathon...'May 31 20:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's leftovers https://t.co/Yrhw6atRPk #gnu #linux #freesw'May 31 20:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian and #Ubuntu https://t.co/JIvnpV6iLu #gnu #linux'May 31 20:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat News https://t.co/r98FHCxyvo #redhat #gnu #linux'May 31 20:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GTK and #GNOME News https://t.co/RNDuFA28Zw #gnu #linux #freesw'May 31 20:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/870079237868453890May 31 20:48
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    today's howtos https://t.co/j6SGU5hgoO (tuxmachines.org)May 31 20:48
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       #unix #linux #gnu #howtoMay 31 20:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870079473055432704May 31 21:09
TweetTuxMachines                 ks 1/6/2017: #KDE #Plasma 5.10, #Qt 5.9 ReleasedMay 31 21:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/870102579111276544May 31 23:00
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    ks 1/6/2017: #KDE #Plasma 5.10, #Qt 5.9 ReleasedMay 31 23:00
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cubexyzneo geo games on gogMay 31 23:34
cubexyzof course mame has that pretty well coveredMay 31 23:34
cubexyzgog seems to be the go to place for retro gamingMay 31 23:35
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cubexyzah, a new term for gates:May 31 23:57
cubexyzObscurantistMay 31 23:57
cubexyzi.e. the practise of deliberately preventing the facts becoming knownMay 31 23:57
cubexyzthat makes Stallman the anti-obscurantistMay 31 23:58
cubexyzah, and I'm not the first person to make that commentMay 31 23:59
cubexyzGates: "what emails are you talking about?"Jun 01 00:00
cubexyzanother big one... AMIJun 01 00:01
cubexyzdon't forget itJun 01 00:01
cubexyzthe holy sacred bios source code must never be revealedJun 01 00:02
cubexyzDell isn't any betterJun 01 00:04
cubexyzoh, I nagged them for the BIOS source but to no availJun 01 00:04
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: pingJun 01 02:54
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liberty_boxhttps://mastodon.blue/users/LWFlouisa/updates/28270Jun 01 05:10
liberty_box" Some of those apparently referenced ETs. I feel like I'm missing part of the story when I read them."Jun 01 05:10
liberty_boxhttps://mastodon.blue/users/LWFlouisa/updates/28271Jun 01 05:10
liberty_box"yes yes I know. Ufo buff."Jun 01 05:10
liberty_boxhttps://functional.cafe/users/loke/updates/1781Jun 01 05:17
liberty_box" Air travel outside the US can still be reasonably nice. I fly a lot, and as long as you choose the right airline it's very nice."Jun 01 05:17
liberty_boxThe airports can be part of the problem and there is rarely any choice for some routes (de facto monopoly, no competition, treat people like dirt)Jun 01 05:18
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liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/johnbarbirolli/status/870209754248892416Jun 01 05:26
liberty_boxNegrosJun 01 05:26
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liberty_boxhttps://functional.cafe/users/loke/updates/1787Jun 01 05:28
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TechrightsBot-trHello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77Jun 01 05:33
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cubexyzok, that was painfulJun 01 11:57
cubexyzX11R5... nothing compilesJun 01 11:57
cubexyzX11R6... everything compilesJun 01 11:57
cubexyzquite a gap between those two versions... 3 yearsJun 01 12:00
cubexyzthe motifshell is interestingJun 01 12:44
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/ylk5lJun 01 13:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Opogator - Album on ImgurJun 01 13:49
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/mRjgMJun 01 14:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Do the Dump de Dump - Album on ImgurJun 01 14:03
MinceRhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/31/donald-trump-mexico-toilet-paper-antonio-battagliaJun 01 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | A cheeky idea: Mexican businessman rolls out 'Trump' toilet paper | World news | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/qy1q1 ]Jun 01 14:55
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MinceRhttp://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/051/605/903.pngJun 01 15:25
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/h7UKxCf.jpgJun 01 15:31
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/Cye0yJun 01 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Destroyed In Seconds - Album on ImgurJun 01 15:44
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/2fxbayO.jpgJun 01 16:30
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/ai20rJun 01 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bought some shoes from a drug dealer today. I don't know what she laced them with but I've been tripping all day. - Album on ImgurJun 01 16:33
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/gedankendoucheJun 01 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - GedankendoucheJun 01 16:47
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DaemonFC      xfree86: Remove pre-2.6 Linux ppc supportJun 01 17:07
DaemonFCLOLJun 01 17:07
DaemonFCThat stayed in the X server until October 2014? :PJun 01 17:07
MinceR2014? that's ancient historyJun 01 17:08
DaemonFCMinceR, So was Linux 2.4 at that time.Jun 01 17:09
DaemonFCThat's like "So old that probably nobody even knew if it still worked.".Jun 01 17:09
DaemonFCWhat are the chances you'd be running X.org Server 1.15 (the last stable series that had this code) *and* a 2.4 Linux kernel?Jun 01 17:10
DaemonFCIf you're using Linux 2.4, you probably have an XFree86 X server.Jun 01 17:10
DaemonFCOne Ubuntu release used XFree86. That was 4.10 Warty Warthog.Jun 01 17:13
DaemonFCThe second release switched to X.org.Jun 01 17:13
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/pyAoY9C.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/pjQNY )Jun 01 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-King Harald and Queen Sonja of Norway are both celebrating their 80th birthday this year. Therefore I want to commemorate one of their best tv moments.  - Album on ImgurJun 01 17:19
MinceRhttp://theoatmeal.com/comics/kidsJun 01 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theoatmeal.com | Why haven't you had kids yet? - The OatmealJun 01 17:35
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MinceRhttp://assets.amuniversal.com/85ff62200b5301359a72005056a9545d   (sauce: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-05-09 )Jun 01 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Robot Attacks Boss - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-05-09 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsJun 01 18:24
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DaemonFCI understand that Valve has their own port of xpad.Jun 01 19:19
DaemonFCSo now there are three xbox controller drivers for Linux and they all have their own features and bugs.Jun 01 19:19
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cubexyzxautolock hasn't changed since 2007Jun 02 00:05
cubexyzmost of X11R6 code will still compile and work... that's 1994Jun 02 00:06
cubexyzbefore that? no wayJun 02 00:06
cubexyzthe difficulty of dealing with old code is amplified by how hardware specific it isJun 02 00:13
cubexyza simple text based program could possibly work fine on Unix v7 from 1979Jun 02 00:14
cubexyzgame code? now you're dealing with difficult and era specific problemsJun 02 00:15
cubexyzI wanted to fix or at least modernize HOMM3 for linuxJun 02 00:18
cubexyzbut it seems that there's a new project that recreates it: VCMIJun 02 00:19
cubexyzto be more specific it's actually a recreation of HOMM: WoG (in the wake of the gods)Jun 02 00:21
cubexyzVCMI needs the data from HOMM3: WoG to work Jun 02 00:22
oiaohmcubexyz: I have not had trouble with X11R5 stuff ie 1991 on X11R6 and newer in most cases.Jun 02 00:32
oiaohmcubexyz: X11R4 stuff I am not sure on.Jun 02 00:32
cubexyztry compiling X11R5 xclockJun 02 00:32
oiaohmcubexyz:  being the user applications not test code.Jun 02 00:33
oiaohmcubexyz: most cases means that there are a few busts.Jun 02 00:34
cubexyzI'll try puzzle...Jun 02 00:34
cubexyzha, that worked although it generated some warningsJun 02 00:34
cubexyzfor xclock X11R5 got "error: conflicting types for sys_errlist"Jun 02 00:35
cubexyzhold on, I think that was X11R3 actuallyJun 02 00:36
oiaohmcubexyz: this was building from source not attempt to straight up run X11R5 binary on X11R6Jun 02 00:36
cubexyzI'm surprised you even looked at X11R5Jun 02 00:37
oiaohmcubexyz: my cases I was using the X11R5 binary as is.Jun 02 00:37
oiaohmcubexyz: worse it was for a unix but I was using on Linux using a emulation wrapper.Jun 02 00:37
oiaohmcubexyz: http://linux-abi.sourceforge.net/  this stuff I would not be doing something like this today very often.Jun 02 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux-abi.sourceforge.net | Linux A.B.I. HomepageJun 02 00:40
cubexyzthat's neatJun 02 00:42
oiaohmcubexyz: its also a dead project these days.Jun 02 00:43
cubexyzmost of the stuff I wrote for xenix will compile on Linux thoughJun 02 00:43
cubexyzand also compile on PDP-11 sysv Jun 02 00:43
oiaohmcubexyz:  ibcs-3_8.tgz that you find https://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-abi/files/linux-abi-2.6/ is able to use xenix binaries on Linux.Jun 02 00:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux ABI Project - Browse /linux-abi-2.6 at SourceForge.netJun 02 00:45
oiaohmcubexyz: but it would require updating.Jun 02 00:45
cubexyzI think I might have tweaked it a little... added #include <stdlib.h> and #include <string.h>Jun 02 00:45
oiaohmcubexyz: think of this is wine for unix crap.Jun 02 00:45
cubexyzbut that's itJun 02 00:45
cubexyzhmmmJun 02 00:45
cubexyzwell there was PDP-11 for Vax way before wine... and probably many other examplesJun 02 00:46
oiaohmNote the last update is 2009 so its been a while since I have been using it.Jun 02 00:46
oiaohmMost of these tools disappear out of usage when all the applications that major businesses need have been ported.Jun 02 00:47
oiaohmOf course PDP-11 emulators are still going strong.Jun 02 00:47
cubexyzthat's the guy who sued VMwareJun 02 00:51
cubexyzChristoph Hellwig... I've seen the name beforeJun 02 00:51
cubexyzI don't know anyone that runs Xenix nowJun 02 00:58
cubexyzI thought Unix v7 was a lot more interesting Jun 02 00:59
cubexyzthat's the real basis for Xenix anywayJun 02 00:59
oiaohmcubexyz: scary enough there were people running Xenix in 2009Jun 02 01:00
oiaohmcubexyz: for business tasks.Jun 02 01:00
cubexyzRadio Shack used to use it back in the dayJun 02 01:01
oiaohmcubexyz: you still find some places still using dos.Jun 02 01:01
cubexyzif it does the job...Jun 02 01:01
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MinceRhttps://68.media.tumblr.com/62eb73ae56dc37b145b391588d9a65bb/tumblr_opphftuzIV1vtbos4o1_1280.jpgJun 02 03:46
MinceRhttp://assets.amuniversal.com/87dfde100b5301359a72005056a9545d   (sauce: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-05-10 )Jun 02 04:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Replacing Robot Head - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-05-10 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsJun 02 04:10
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MinceRhttp://style.org/unladenswallow/Jun 02 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Estimating the Airspeed Velocity of an Unladen Swallow | style.orgJun 02 06:36
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oiaohmMinceR: really studies like that show how little we really know about nature.Jun 02 08:48
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schestowitzMinceR:  back homeJun 02 10:51
schestowitzMinceR: can you send irc logs at  your time of convenience (not urgent at all)Jun 02 10:51
zoobab_pongJun 02 10:52
zoobab_I think I saw the Bundesrat moving on UPC this weekJun 02 10:53
zoobab_so it is time to work on an appeal in DEJun 02 10:53
schestowitzI don't have time at the momentJun 02 11:07
schestowitzwill watch your feedJun 02 11:07
schestowitzI was away from home 18 daysJun 02 11:07
zoobab_holidays?Jun 02 11:11
schestowitzyeahJun 02 11:16
schestowitzMinceR: cubexyz et al: did someone relates to EPO say something in this channel in past 3 weeks?Jun 02 11:16
schestowitzOr looked for me specifically, e.g. regarding new info/leak?Jun 02 11:16
schestowitzI wasn't able to keep upJun 02 11:16
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gde33MinceR: I talk with a guy driving a train one time about the amount of animals killed by rail traffic per day. He said all speed estimates of all bird species are wrong. He regularly chased birds with speeds up to 120 km/h and some just manage to fly away in the face of imminent death.Jun 02 15:31
gde33He regularly saw a variaty of small birds hit 140Jun 02 15:31
gde33then when he looked up the species he got figures like in the article 24 mphJun 02 15:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870743052071170048Jun 02 16:45
TweetTuxMachines                 #Android Leftovers https://t.co/Q2htxg8aiBJun 02 16:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux #nokia #aosp #googleJun 02 16:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers https://t.co/Q2htxg8aiB #linux #nokia #aosp #google #cyanogen'Jun 02 16:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/870743999635705856Jun 02 16:56
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Tizen News: New Release, New Game, and #GearFitJun 02 16:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/PHvHJN3Jtt (www.tuxmachines.org) #samsungJun 02 16:56
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Toyota 's Linux #Love in the NewsJun 02 17:08
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/zX67MlCytl (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnuJun 02 17:08
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Some more Lenovo laptops locked to RAIDJun 02 17:08
DaemonFChttps://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Ideapad-710S-Plus-13IKB-not-just-710s-13IKB-BIOS-supporting-AHCI/td-p/3645033Jun 02 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Ideapad 710S Plus-13IKB (not just 710s-13IKB), BIOS supporting AHCI mode and LINUX installation. - Lenovo CommunityJun 02 17:09
DaemonFChttps://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/RAID-lock-again-on-Miix-720/td-p/3667864Jun 02 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | RAID lock again on Miix 720 - Lenovo Community [ http://ur1.ca/qy9un ]Jun 02 17:09
schestowitzDaemonFC: as before?Jun 02 17:10
DaemonFCExactly as before, schestowitz Jun 02 17:10
DaemonFCIn fact, one guy says they just deleted his post about it completely.Jun 02 17:10
DaemonFChttps://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/No-Linux-BIOS-for-ideapad-710S-quot-Plus-13IKB-quot/td-p/3586694Jun 02 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.lenovo.com | Solved: No Linux BIOS for ideapad 710S "Plus-13IKB" - Lenovo Community [ http://ur1.ca/qy9uv ]Jun 02 17:11
DaemonFC"I had posted this problem to the thread in this February, and my message disappeared after few days. I'm not accusing the admin removed my post, but it just disappeared.Jun 02 17:11
DaemonFC Jun 02 17:11
DaemonFCI think Lenovo is reluctant to release Linux BIOS. Why not purchasing laptop from other vendor? I refunded the ideapad and bought ASUS ZenBook UX410UQ. It has a similar spec, a lower cost, a normal right Shift key, and Linux can be installed in a breeze. "Jun 02 17:11
schestowitzwowJun 02 17:12
schestowitzthanksJun 02 17:12
schestowitzkeep on eye on this for updatesJun 02 17:12
schestowitzlet's bring some heatJun 02 17:12
DaemonFChttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6exb6e/lenovo_locking_linux_out_of_at_least_a_couple_of/Jun 02 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Lenovo locking Linux out of at least a couple of laptops again. : linux [ http://ur1.ca/qy9x8 ]Jun 02 17:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/870748963804262400Jun 02 17:31
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Toyota 's Linux #Love in the NewsJun 02 17:31
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/zX67MlCytl (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnuJun 02 17:31
TweetTuxMachines                 #driving #infotainment #freeswJun 02 17:31
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TweetTuxMachines                 " #BitKey is a #Debian -based live distribution"Jun 02 17:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Vn6YRUkFJn (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 02 17:32
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 02 17:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BitKey Unlocks Mysteries of the Bitcoin Universe | Tux MachinesJun 02 17:32
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '" #BitKey is a #Debian -based live distribution"...'Jun 02 17:35
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I might try out Fedora 26. No Beta release yet but there's a nightly image that should be pretty close.Jun 02 17:35
DaemonFCI've heard it's pretty stable already. GNOME Software accidentally upgraded one guy to the Alpha and he said he used it for weeks before realizing it.Jun 02 17:36
DaemonFCGNOME has gotten pretty good, actually. I don't know why they don't ship it with the desktop shell extensions on.Jun 02 17:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870756559617445890Jun 02 17:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security News: #Pandemic for #Microsoft #Windows,Jun 02 17:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #WannaCry, and #Linux 'Flaw' https://t.co/f2SOYoftqNJun 02 17:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #samba #smb #cia #vault7 #nsaJun 02 17:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security News: “Pandemic” for Windows, WannaCry, and Linux 'Flaw' | Tux MachinesJun 02 17:39
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security News: #Pandemic for #Microsoft #Windows, #WannaCry, and...'Jun 02 17:39
*TweetTuxMachines @sectest9 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security News: #Pandemic for #Microsoft #Windows, #WannaCry, and...'Jun 02 17:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/870758721227546624Jun 02 17:53
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Security News: #Pandemic for #Microsoft #Windows,Jun 02 17:53
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       #WannaCry, and #Linux 'Flaw' https://t.co/f2SOYoftqNJun 02 17:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #samba #smb #cia #vault7 #nsaJun 02 17:53
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Theresa May delivers #TheManyForTheFew - many assets...'Jun 02 17:53
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TweetTuxMachines                 Mount Canlaon last week https://t.co/eFfrkjepCoJun 02 18:18
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Toyota 's Linux #Love in the NewsJun 02 19:56
TweetTuxMachines @CorsiaLogistics  https://t.co/zX67MlCytl (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnuJun 02 19:56
TweetTuxMachines                 #driving #infotainment #freeswJun 02 19:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870792174941634560Jun 02 20:00
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TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/m1jNmRVLepJun 02 20:02
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DaemonFCschestowitz: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6exb6e/lenovo_locking_linux_out_of_at_least_a_couple_of/Jun 02 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Lenovo locking Linux out of at least a couple of laptops again. : linuxJun 02 20:43
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #gnu #linuxJun 02 21:04
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TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/vzzz41tHrQJun 02 21:06
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #androidpay #linuxJun 02 21:06
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TweetTuxMachines                 #BodhiLinux 4.2.0 #Ubuntu -based operating system nowJun 02 22:28
TweetTuxMachines                 available https://t.co/l9KAPCdc7i (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 02 22:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi Linux 4.2.0 Ubuntu-based operating system now available | Tux MachinesJun 02 22:28
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@SMaurizi @ronwyden and @MarkUdall have it. Moral...'Jun 02 22:29
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TweetTuxMachines                 #RileyBrandt : How do you Fedora? Jun 02 22:36
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/MnaUQgnOyr (www.tuxmachines.org) #fedoraJun 02 22:36
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TweetTuxMachines                 Tiny i.MX6 UL module loves Android ThingsJun 02 22:37
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/0QUpC7QpFC (www.tuxmachines.org) #androidJun 02 22:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny i.MX6 UL module loves Android Things | Tux MachinesJun 02 22:37
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#BodhiLinux 4.2.0 #Ubuntu -based operating system now available...'Jun 02 22:37
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cubexyzok, more thoughts percolating about UEFI...Jun 02 23:23
cubexyzwe can safely say there are offerings from HP and Lenovo which are hostileJun 02 23:24
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-hostile-bios.txtJun 02 23:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/870834210633904128Jun 02 23:25
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #RileyBrandt : How do you Fedora? Jun 02 23:25
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       https://t.co/MnaUQgnOyr (www.tuxmachines.org) #fedoraJun 02 23:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #redhat #gnu #linuxJun 02 23:25
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cubexyzASUS P8Z68-V had a good feature... none of this windows-only or dos-floppy rubbish for BIOS updatesJun 02 23:37
cubexyz.rom file on a USB stick and off you goJun 02 23:38
DaemonFCBooting to DOS was how I upgraded the BIOS on that Foxconn motherboard, in 2008... :PJun 02 23:43
cubexyzok, on one machine I got free-dos but still... I wouldn't want to have to use that for BIOS updatesJun 02 23:44
DaemonFCI made a boot USB stick with FreeDOS and put the BIOS update in a folder.Jun 02 23:44
DaemonFCNot convenient, but better than installing Windows to update the BIOS.Jun 02 23:45
cubexyzASUS has a thing they called FlashbackJun 02 23:46
cubexyzyou don't even need CPU or memory to use itJun 02 23:46
cubexyzBut...Jun 02 23:47
cubexyzthe USB stick does have to be formatted for FAT or NTFS Jun 02 23:47
cubexyzof course that is using an UEFI BIOSJun 02 23:49
cubexyznot really ideal... but still an improvementJun 02 23:51
cubexyzin coreboot-land we have the flashrom utilityJun 02 23:57
cubexyzso assuming you have a working coreboot rom file you can just update the BIOS from linuxJun 02 23:57
oiaohmcubexyz: fat is licensed to be used for UEFI stuff without charge.Jun 02 23:59
cubexyzah but you still pay the BIOS taxJun 03 00:00
oiaohmcubexyz: no Microsoft licensed it for free for UEFI to prevent ext4 from being used.Jun 03 00:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870852722110627840Jun 03 00:01
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/8aVFeLyBgI (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 03 00:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SMARC module and dev kit run Linux on dual-core Renesas SoC | Tux MachinesJun 03 00:01
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cubexyzAmerican Megatrends still gets paidJun 03 00:01
oiaohmcubexyz: intel threatened to write either ext4 of udf into the spec if there was going to be licensing costs.Jun 03 00:01
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oiaohmcubexyz: neither windows supports well on harddrives.Jun 03 00:01
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schestowitzDaemonFC: I spread around your pistJun 03 00:01
schestowitz(post also)Jun 03 00:02
cubexyzoiaohm, what I mean is that the BIOS company is still paid by whoever makes the motherboardJun 03 00:02
cubexyzAMI or whoever it isJun 03 00:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870852784517677057Jun 03 00:02
TweetTuxMachines                 #SMARC module and dev kit run #Linux on dual-coreJun 03 00:02
TweetTuxMachines                 #Renesas SoC https://t.co/8aVFeLyBgIJun 03 00:02
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 03 00:02
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cubexyzthere are a few (very few) special cases that use coreboot but it's rareJun 03 00:03
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oiaohmcubexyz: using intel reference UEFI they don't have to pay either.Jun 03 00:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870853217676144640Jun 03 00:04
TweetTuxMachines                 The problem with Linux packaging in large organizationsJun 03 00:04
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NHWwdHq3dg (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 03 00:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The problem with Linux packaging in large organizations | Tux MachinesJun 03 00:04
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.tianocore.org/ intels reference UEFI implementation.Jun 03 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tianocore.org | WelcomeJun 03 00:04
oiaohmcubexyz: really I don't understand why so many motherboard makers are paying third parties.Jun 03 00:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/870853512539906048Jun 03 00:05
TweetTuxMachines                 #AryaLinux Focuses More on Source Than SimplicityJun 03 00:05
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/p84JjXFxDl (www.linux.com) #gnu #linuxJun 03 00:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AryaLinux Focuses More on Source Than Simplicity | Linux.com | The source for Linux informationJun 03 00:05
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#AryaLinux Focuses More on Source Than Simplicity https://t.co/p84JjXFxDl...'Jun 03 00:05
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cubexyzwriting a BIOS is kind of hardJun 03 00:06
cubexyzmuch easier (although not ideal) to license from AMI or Phoenix or whoever is still aroundJun 03 00:06
oiaohmcubexyz: I understood it when intel and amd were not providing functional reference implementations.Jun 03 00:06
cubexyzthere's something up with Intel EDAC as well...Jun 03 00:07
oiaohmThings have changed there are functional reference implementations.Jun 03 00:07
cubexyzI heard some people complain about thatJun 03 00:07
DaemonFChttps://www.ft.com/content/71d92114-4704-11e7-8519-9f94ee97d996Jun 03 00:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Subscribe to readJun 03 00:07
DaemonFCNot good for users.Jun 03 00:07
cubexyzit's TRON all over again :-/Jun 03 00:08
DaemonFCIt's Google's plan to paywall the entire web.Jun 03 00:09
DaemonFCAnd good luck getting the former Verizon lawyer at the FCC to do anything about it.Jun 03 00:09
cubexyzI wouldn't balk at paying for Scientific American Jun 03 00:14
cubexyzI bought a ton of magazines back in the dayJun 03 00:14
cubexyz60 bucks a month is expensive thoughJun 03 00:15
cubexyzAll access (access all the way back to 1845) is $99 Jun 03 00:19
cubexyzper year I think that isJun 03 00:19
DaemonFCI just feel like it's nickel and diming. Jun 03 00:22
DaemonFCAnd you know that Google's idea of acceptable ads will still have a lot of the shit that drove people to use ad blockers.Jun 03 00:22
cubexyzwell the ads everywhere are annoying, yesJun 03 00:23
cubexyzduring a hockey game they even show full screen ads during the game broadcastJun 03 00:29
cubexyzif there's a timeoutJun 03 00:30
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oiaohmcubexyz: this is always the problem.   Hardware that supports the internet does cost money to keep operatingJun 03 00:34
oiaohmcubexyz: same with TV and everything else.Jun 03 00:34
cubexyzhttp://www.waynesthisandthat.com/commerciallength.htmJun 03 00:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.waynesthisandthat.com | Growth of TV Time taken up by CommercialsJun 03 00:36
cubexyzit keeps getting worse, although it did seem to improve slightly or at least reached a maximum of 33%Jun 03 00:37
oiaohmcubexyz: you need to look at TV show cost of production.Jun 03 00:38
oiaohmcubexyz: you have to remember 1952 the people in the shows were getting very low wages and the operating costs were quite low.Jun 03 00:39
oiaohmcubexyz: so as the cost to produce the shows have gone up so has the volume of advertisement gone up.Jun 03 00:40
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oiaohmcubexyz: cost of productions started leveling out in 2001 as well.Jun 03 00:42
cubexyzit's reached a saturation point I'd sayJun 03 00:43
oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_96_%28TV_series%29  think about the insanity of this show from 1973Jun 03 00:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Number 96 (TV series) - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/qybnb ]Jun 03 00:44
cubexyzrun more ads now, you'll lose part of the audienceJun 03 00:44
oiaohmcubexyz: it was recorded and broadcast live with only 3 camera.Jun 03 00:44
oiaohmcubexyz: any goof went straight to air.Jun 03 00:44
oiaohmcubexyz: you don't see shows like that any more.Jun 03 00:45
cubexyzthere's still live tvJun 03 00:45
cubexyzweather, sports etcJun 03 00:45
oiaohmTo be correct most on a time delay these days.Jun 03 00:45
cubexyzthat is trueJun 03 00:45
oiaohmWhy you see rapid cut to adds at times of operated are awake.Jun 03 00:45
oiaohmAlso if you watch advertisement counts they go down in the news and the like.Jun 03 00:46
oiaohmBecause they are lower cost productions.Jun 03 00:46
oiaohmOur TV adverisement problem is mostly being addicted to highly expensive to produce programs to watch.Jun 03 00:47
oiaohmcubexyz: here in Australia we have a SBS channel they don't put advertisement slots in shows.   Only advertisement at start and end and choose lower cost to produce productions to make every balance out.Jun 03 00:49
oiaohmcubexyz: so a lower advertisement channels can be done.Jun 03 00:49
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cubexyzI can't really recall 1970s australian tv showsJun 03 02:00
cubexyzmaybe Mission Magic? Did they show that in Australia?Jun 03 02:02
cubexyzold cartoon, had Rick Springfield in itJun 03 02:02
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TweetTuxMachines                 The first 5 things to do when your Linux server keelsJun 03 02:21
TweetTuxMachines                 over https://t.co/vwHUHsA4eg (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnuJun 03 02:21
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TweetTuxMachines                 Best Retro Gaming Emulators for LinuxJun 03 02:22
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ZpYsbMZl5f (www.maketecheasier.com) #gamesJun 03 02:22
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TweetTuxMachines                 A list of open source tools for collegeJun 03 02:23
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Ey07usCrUI (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 03 02:23
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TweetTuxMachines                 Search https://t.co/qHtfaeG5cY (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnuJun 03 02:25
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oiaohmcubexyz: 1970 australia light on cartoons you lots of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_Productions  Crawfords Productions stuff.Jun 03 02:45
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oiaohmDaemonFC: I think it was you who mentioned about https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6exb6e/lenovo_locking_linux_out_of_at_least_a_couple_of/   This is kind of wrong to blame lenovo the issue is a Intel made raid controller.Jun 03 02:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Lenovo locking Linux out of at least a couple of laptops again. : linux [ http://ur1.ca/qy9x8 ]Jun 03 02:47
oiaohmDaemonFC: Linux still does not support a particular feature.Jun 03 02:47
oiaohmDaemonFC: that mode uses the SSD as a cache to the hdd.Jun 03 02:48
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schestowitzDaemonFC: well done, it's gaining tractionJun 03 02:54
schestowitzand Lenovo won't be loving thisJun 03 02:54
schestowitzthey need to check which components they chooseJun 03 02:55
schestowitzneed to rid themselves of that lasting impression of "Microsoft First" or "Microsoft Only"Jun 03 02:56
schestowitzThinkPads were all about choice when they took overJun 03 02:56
DaemonFCoiaohm, There is no HDD.Jun 03 03:10
DaemonFCThese systems are SSD only.Jun 03 03:10
DaemonFCReally fast.Jun 03 03:11
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oiaohmDaemonFC: the mode I mentioned.  It can operate without hdd as well.Jun 03 03:18
oiaohmDaemonFC: that raid mode allowed bipassing a stack of poor performing optimisations in windows.Jun 03 03:18
oiaohmDaemonFC: It would be interesting if Linux had access to the same mode if it would provide the performance boosts as it does under windows.Jun 03 03:19
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TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost  Search https://t.co/qHtfaeG5cY (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnuJun 03 03:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @UKLabour They rob us and then tell...'Jun 03 04:04
cubexyzppfftt, come onJun 03 04:08
cubexyzit's all just software...Jun 03 04:08
cubexyznothing magical or better about windowsJun 03 04:08
cubexyzwe can complain about obscurantism thoughJun 03 04:10
cubexyzsince that's all that's holding Linux et all backJun 03 04:10
cubexyzbut I find it amusing that Sony made Linux TVsJun 03 04:11
cubexyzrather than pay $$$ to their hated rival Jun 03 04:12
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cubexyzeven more amusing... Bell used Linux PVRsJun 03 04:13
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cubexyzhard drive had an ext2 partition... they figured people would find it harder to copy the files off of itJun 03 04:14
cubexyzof course, you have to remove the hard drive from the unit'Jun 03 04:15
cubexyzbtw channel master PVR's used the same thingJun 03 04:18
cubexyzEXT file systemJun 03 04:19
cubexyzand you can use an external hard drive with it :)Jun 03 04:19
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Security News  https://t.co/FDIry40wcW (tuxmachines.org)Jun 03 05:16
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TweetTuxMachines                 Microsoft's Latest Stunts  https://t.co/jbTSbzMWlwJun 03 05:17
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*TweetTuxMachines @IainIsCreative favourited '#Security News https://t.co/FDIry40wcW #microsoft #windows #vault7 #pacemaler...'Jun 03 05:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's leftovers at #tuxmachines https://t.co/dCoRDZ5CPF'Jun 03 05:21
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Microsoft's Latest Stunts https://t.co/jbTSbzMWlw #microsoft #windows #vista10'Jun 03 05:21
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TweetTuxMachines                 Plan of separating #freesw and #gnu #linux news from theJun 03 10:17
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schestowitzzoobab_: Jun 03 14:15
schestowitzWhat publication method best nowadays?Jun 03 14:15
schestowitzMicroblogging  (many posts)?Jun 03 14:15
schestowitzSeveral short blog posts?Jun 03 14:15
schestowitzFew very detailed articles?Jun 03 14:15
schestowitzI want change...Jun 03 14:15
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TweetTuxMachines                 How the #Moby Project Pivots Docker’s Open SourceJun 03 14:57
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oiaohmhttp://www.cinemablend.com/games/1666329/rimes-drm-will-be-removed-because-hackers   This is a rare.   How many times have we seen game developers attempt to fix the drm instead of giving up on it.Jun 03 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cinemablend.com | Rime's DRM Will Be Removed, Because HackersJun 03 17:59
razielle_tzutoo many?Jun 03 18:08
razielle_tzuthen again, with the DRM causing issues in the first place i'm not surprised it was cracked so quickly and then removedJun 03 18:12
razielle_tzui just told my partner about it and she said it seems like that form of DRM was intended to be cracked in order to see if it was the DRM causing the gameply issuesJun 03 18:13
DaemonFCSteam is possibly the worst software port to Linux that I've ever seen.Jun 03 18:14
DaemonFCLocal copies of a bunch of libraries, thinks that as long as it works on Ubuntu it's perfect.Jun 03 18:14
DaemonFCIt's a fine example of when Windows programmers do a Linux port.Jun 03 18:15
oiaohmDaemonFC: bundling is how come most Windows applications work across windows versions.Jun 03 18:27
DaemonFCoiaohm, It doesn't seem to work very well on Linux.Jun 03 18:28
oiaohmflatpak is also bundling.Jun 03 18:28
oiaohmsame with appimage ....Jun 03 18:28
oiaohmDaemonFC: even under windows bundling at times goes south when everything required is not bundled.Jun 03 18:29
oiaohmDaemonFC: bundling is a solution to multi OS version support.  Comes with prices that it does not always work.Jun 03 18:29
oiaohmDaemonFC: and security downsides.Jun 03 18:30
oiaohmDaemonFC: steam does a better job than here a tar.gz files with binaries and we forgot to tell you what OS we developed that on.Jun 03 18:31
DaemonFCoiaohm, The problem is that Steam isn't really included in the package.Jun 03 18:32
DaemonFCIt's a stub and then Steam updates itself, so the packager has no control over the version.Jun 03 18:32
DaemonFCMeaning that if Steam's dependencies change, it can break.Jun 03 18:32
oiaohmDaemonFC: and those tar.gz games I was refering to some of those had autoupaters are well.Jun 03 18:33
oiaohmDaemonFC: really I would like to see steam in flatpak from valve themselves.Jun 03 18:34
DaemonFCI just posted that on Facebook, actually.Jun 03 18:35
DaemonFCAnyway, for now, I'm just installing Steam on Wine.Jun 03 18:35
DaemonFCThey only really care about Windows.Jun 03 18:35
oiaohmDaemonFC: valve does care about steam on ubuntu because they want that for their console.Jun 03 18:39
oiaohmDaemonFC: it had really worried of Mir had stayed alive then going cross would have been a lot harder.Jun 03 18:40
DaemonFCMir was a terrible idea.Jun 03 18:40
DaemonFCI don't see it as having solved any problems that Wayland doesn't.Jun 03 18:41
DaemonFCTo be honest, I think a user would be hard pressed to say whether they were running under Wayland or X at this poit.Jun 03 18:41
DaemonFCThey've cleared enough crap out of the X Server and bypassed it when it couldn't be fixed that it works well enough these days.Jun 03 18:41
DaemonFCLooking at it from the other angle, they're already adding extensions to Wayland to do things that X does.Jun 03 18:42
oiaohmI really suspect Ubuntu will die before they work out a CLA is a really bad idea too.Jun 03 19:02
DaemonFCMore likely be bought by Microsoft.Jun 03 19:04
DaemonFCoiaohm, I reported the issues to Aspyr.Jun 03 19:21
DaemonFCSince they're not Valve games, Valve just directs you to Aspyr.Jun 03 19:22
DaemonFCIt's up to the publisher to make sure the game works.Jun 03 19:22
DaemonFCbblJun 03 19:22
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cubexyzwell when the pirated version of a game runs _better_ than the official DRMed version, it's not that surprising that the DRM is removedJun 03 19:33
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oiaohmcubexyz: it is the common case.  DRM has overhead.Jun 03 20:25
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schestowitz[00:04] <DaemonFC> More likely be bought by Microsoft.Jun 03 20:39
schestowitzCannot happenJun 03 20:39
oiaohmschestowitz: nothing is impossible.Jun 03 20:53
schestowitzhttps://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_PageJun 03 21:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikinews.org | Wikinews, the free news sourceJun 03 21:16
schestowitznothing about London yetJun 03 21:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wikinews?lang=enJun 03 21:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Wikinews (English) (@wikinews) on TwitterJun 03 21:16
schestowitzhttp://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/tearful-robbie-williams-breaks-down-10552526Jun 03 21:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mirror.co.uk | Robbie Williams bursts into tears mid-song as he dedicates Angels to Manchester victims - so crowd sings it for him - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/qygyt ]Jun 03 21:20
schestowitzHours later London was struckJun 03 21:21
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/9325484#713f4b401e4001359b3300163e5dbca2Jun 03 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My grandfather taught me (before he died 2 years ago) that considering change is essential to avoid self-reinforcing traps. Time for change?Jun 03 21:28
schestowitz"Jun 03 21:28
schestowitzParadigms akin to the “Tough Town Paradox” come to mind.Jun 03 21:28
schestowitzOften times people either offer to toss you out or implore (start a fight with) you to remain in a bad place to fight it.Jun 03 21:28
schestowitzHardest problems in life to me are :Jun 03 21:28
schestowitz    Who is a friend?Jun 03 21:28
schestowitz    When does one stay or leave and for what reasons?Jun 03 21:28
schestowitz    What else needs to be changed and why?Jun 03 21:28
schestowitz    What is most important? Seems less obvious when you realize you have no friends or family…Jun 03 21:28
schestowitz    Being related to people or married to them won’t make them respect or care about you.Jun 03 21:28
schestowitz"Jun 03 21:28
schestowitz"Oh Canada!"Jun 03 21:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 12-Way RadeonSI OpenGL Comparison vs. NVIDIA On Ubuntu Linux | Tux MachinesJun 03 22:24
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #LinuxMint 18.2 “Sonya” is near, beta release comingJun 03 23:06
TweetTuxMachines @E1tenne        early June https://t.co/xlIXTjlbum (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 03 23:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 18.2 “Sonya” is near, beta release coming early June | Tux MachinesJun 03 23:06
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cubexyzthat's why I like gogJun 03 23:32
cubexyzno DRMJun 03 23:32
cubexyzwho really wants DRM anyways?Jun 03 23:32
cubexyzit's always a pain Jun 03 23:32
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cubexyzwell anyone can delve into the X11 code May 28 01:51
cubexyzand some of that code hasn't changed at all in many yearsMay 28 01:51
cubexyzjust last night I was looking at the old xpr utilityMay 28 01:52
cubexyzxpr-1.0.1May 28 01:52
cubexyzthere's also xdprMay 28 01:53
cubexyzdumps an X window directly to the printerMay 28 01:54
cubexyzstill works on DEC LA100 :)May 28 01:55
cubexyzhttps://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_X11May 28 02:01
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cubexyzfunnyMay 28 02:55
oiaohmcubexyz: it get scary when you start looking in the sections of the X11 server that have not been touched for 7+ years yet are in use every day of the week.May 28 02:55
oiaohmcubexyz: kind of hello bug central.May 28 02:56
cubexyzdo you see cubelog?May 28 02:56
cubexyzit's been running xchat for the last 400 daysMay 28 02:57
cubexyzso X can't be _that_ badMay 28 02:57
cubexyzI supposed if you really wanted to be strict you could run openbsd without X May 28 02:59
MinceRmany boxes do just thatMay 28 03:01
cubexyzalso on modern slack X runs as user not rootMay 28 03:03
cubexyzopenbsd does alsoMay 28 03:06
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cubexyzif xwayland worked as well as regular X11, I would consider using it on some machinesMay 28 03:29
cubexyzI probably will anyway... may as well see what's upMay 28 03:29
cubexyzbut most distros seem to still use X11, although I admit there's lots of them I've never triedMay 28 03:30
cubexyzsomeimes one has to backport thingsMay 28 03:31
cubexyzthere's a historical interest... what did the old software do? What got dropped?May 28 03:32
cubexyzmost of the X code is perservedMay 28 03:32
cubexyzpreservedMay 28 03:33
cubexyzI think X10R3 is the oldest I've looked atMay 28 03:33
cubexyzthat's 1986 eraMay 28 03:34
cubexyzuwm was introducedMay 28 03:34
cubexyzand I should note that there's two uwm'sMay 28 03:43
cubexyzthe original Ultrix Window Manager and the Universal Window ManagerMay 28 03:44
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cubexyzUltrix wm is probably not maintained nowMay 28 03:44
cubexyzah, now I rememberMay 28 03:45
cubexyzUltrix was up to X11R3May 28 03:46
cubexyzit was replaced by twmMay 28 03:46
cubexyzi'll do a quick recap:May 28 03:48
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/history-of-x.txtMay 28 03:49
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liberty_boxMinceR, thanks for loggingMay 28 03:58
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oiaohmcubexyz: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Non_root_Xorg  there is a security problem here.   Non root xorg still end with input and screen open to all processes.   This is not good when you are attempting to protect password entry and other items like that.May 28 04:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.gentoo.org | Non root Xorg - Gentoo WikiMay 28 04:10
oiaohmcubexyz: X11 was not design with any of these security concepts in mind.May 28 04:11
cubexyzit seems like xwayland would have the same problem thenMay 28 04:19
oiaohmcubexyz: it does for the applications running inside the same xwayland instance.May 28 04:20
oiaohmcubexyz: the wayland compositor inside wayland system  ends up in control of input and screen direct interfaces passed can be passed over by filehandle by logind and there is different method on bsd and solaris. May 28 04:22
oiaohmcubexyz: so two pure wayland applications cannot go snooping on each other without the compositors permission.May 28 04:23
oiaohmThat is one of the big changes with the wayland design vs x11.May 28 04:23
cubexyzwhat if I was running two X servers on the same computer? could one X program look at the inputs on the other server?May 28 04:23
oiaohmcubexyz: current X11 servers at times yes.May 28 04:24
cubexyzwell, I guess for important stuff you'd be the only userMay 28 04:28
cubexyze.g. banking or government stuffMay 28 04:28
cubexyzjust don't use other computers for thatMay 28 04:28
cubexyzstill, it's good to be aware of these issuesMay 28 04:29
oiaohmhttp://www.mupuf.org/blog/2014/02/19/wayland-compositors-why-and-how-to-handle/  wayland is really designed to address the issues for X11 security.May 28 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wayland compositors - Why and how to Handle privileged clients! (Updated on the 2014/02/21) - mupuf.orgMay 28 04:30
oiaohmAddressing the security issues of X11 has required wayland to drop features for a while until they could work out how they could be implemented correctly.May 28 04:30
oiaohmAlso addressing the security issues of X11 has required updating the graphics drivers and input drivers.May 28 04:32
oiaohmthis kinda explains why wayland is taking like forever to land.   Fixing X11 faults is not easy.May 28 04:33
cubexyzI assume chromeos doesn't have these problems?May 28 04:35
oiaohmchanged to wayland fixs some problems.   Of course leaves the problem of doing most things in 1 application.May 28 04:35
oiaohmcubexyz: changing to wayland in chromeos to be exact.May 28 04:36
cubexyzactually I thought it used freonMay 28 04:36
cubexyzbut I'm not sureMay 28 04:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868664701982351360May 28 04:37
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Debian Installer "Stretch" and Debian 9.0 "Stretch"May 28 04:37
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Nearly Ready https://t.co/qD7T3dcr4x (tuxmachines.org)May 28 04:37
TweetTuxMachines                 #debian #gnu #linux #StretchMay 28 04:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Debian Installer "Stretch" and Debian 9.0 "Stretch" Nearly Ready | Tux MachinesMay 28 04:37
cubexyzI guess old chromeos still used X11May 28 04:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868672396928077824May 28 04:38
TweetTuxMachines                 #FerenOS Could Be the Best-Looking Desktop on the MarketMay 28 04:38
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Saqgdz3LSi (tuxmachines.org)  #gnu #lnuxMay 28 04:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Feren OS Could Be the Best-Looking Desktop on the Market | Tux MachinesMay 28 04:38
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FerenOS Could Be the Best-Looking Desktop on the...'May 28 04:39
oiaohmfreon is a wayland compositor https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ARC-Wayland-Clients-ChromeOS  The android emulation for chromeos is also wayland.May 28 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Android Runtime On Chrome OS Makes Use Of Wayland - PhoronixMay 28 04:41
oiaohmcubexyz: so google dropped X11 and moved to wayland after starting freon with the possiblity of being a unique item.May 28 04:41
cubexyzit seems to be that wayland is actually running inside the browserMay 28 04:43
cubexyzchrome --enable-wayland-serverMay 28 04:43
cubexyzso I'm already using waylandMay 28 04:44
cubexyzon one computer at leastMay 28 04:45
oiaohmMost of X11 to wayland changes should not be that visual.May 28 04:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/868674900222935040May 28 05:41
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Debian Installer "Stretch" and Debian 9.0 "Stretch"May 28 05:41
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       Nearly Ready https://t.co/qD7T3dcr4x (tuxmachines.org)May 28 05:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #debian #gnu #linux #StretchMay 28 05:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868688673998491648May 28 05:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #Mainframes, #Servers, and #ContainersMay 28 05:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/qYiSkFw4hG (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 05:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswMay 28 05:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Mainframes, Servers, and Containers | Tux MachinesMay 28 05:42
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Mainframes, #Servers, and #Containers https://t.co/qYiSkFw4hG #gnu #linux #freesw'May 28 05:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/868690000732446720May 28 06:28
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Mainframes, #Servers, and #ContainersMay 28 06:28
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       https://t.co/qYiSkFw4hG (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 06:28
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cubexyzI've added "the great suspender" to chromeMay 28 07:16
cubexyzwe'll see how well it worksMay 28 07:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868728476722806784May 28 08:21
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security : #Samba and #WannaCry https://t.co/x4y9Lc9SfNMay 28 08:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #windows #smb emulated =May 28 08:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security : #Samba and #WannaCry https://t.co/x4y9Lc9SfN #microsoft #windows...'May 28 08:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/motters/status/868729512552542208May 28 08:30
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TweetTuxMachines @motters        Nearly Ready https://t.co/qD7T3dcr4x (tuxmachines.org)May 28 08:30
TweetTuxMachines                 #debian #gnu #linux #StretchMay 28 08:30
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TweetTuxMachines                 Distro News: #Alpine, #Devuan, and #openSUSEMay 28 08:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/yo3C6TzZx3 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 08:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868731592050524162May 28 08:32
TweetTuxMachines                 #GNOME : #Mutter, #gresg, and #GTKMay 28 08:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/c2jLnWzx6N (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 08:32
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Distro News: #Alpine, #Devuan, and #openSUSE https://t.co/yo3C6TzZx3 #gnu...'May 28 08:33
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GNOME : #Mutter, #gresg, and #GTK https://t.co/c2jLnWzx6N #gnu...'May 28 08:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GNOME : #Mutter, #gresg, and #GTK https://t.co/c2jLnWzx6N #gnu...'May 28 08:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/868735410037547009May 28 08:54
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Distro News: #Alpine, #Devuan, and #openSUSEMay 28 08:54
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       https://t.co/yo3C6TzZx3 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 08:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868737136882626560May 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/gIRzRsT3Gg (tuxmachines.org)May 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines                 #howto #unix #gnu #linuxMay 28 08:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868737557256781824May 28 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 #Games and #Software Leftovers https://t.co/gssK3tlC9gMay 28 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #freeswMay 28 08:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Games and Software Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 28 08:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868737579406868480May 28 08:57
TweetTuxMachines                 #Kernel and #Graphics News https://t.co/GpglJnYQtyMay 28 08:57
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #linuxMay 28 08:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868737962963476480May 28 08:58
TweetTuxMachines                 Links 28/5/2017: #Mesa 17.1.1, #Wine 2.9, #KDevelop 5.1.1May 28 08:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/bH4I0N1lI7 (techrights.org)May 28 08:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/5/2017: Mesa 17.1.1, Wine 2.9, KDevelop 5.1.1 | TechrightsMay 28 08:58
*TweetTuxMachines @Beezel_Bug favourited '#Kernel and #Graphics News https://t.co/GpglJnYQty #linux'May 28 09:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/gIRzRsT3Gg #howto #unix #gnu #linux'May 28 09:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Games and #Software Leftovers https://t.co/gssK3tlC9g #gnu #linux #freesw'May 28 09:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Kernel and #Graphics News https://t.co/GpglJnYQty #linux'May 28 09:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 28/5/2017: #Mesa 17.1.1, #Wine 2.9, #KDevelop 5.1.1...'May 28 09:00
*TweetTuxMachines @coolappsdaily favourited '#Games and #Software Leftovers https://t.co/gssK3tlC9g #gnu #linux #freesw'May 28 09:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Corbyn will bag it. Tories are in...'May 28 09:08
*TweetTuxMachines @KManango favourited '#Security : #Samba and #WannaCry https://t.co/x4y9Lc9SfN #microsoft #windows...'May 28 09:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @pestononsunday Do a better job than Dianne...'May 28 10:11
*TweetTuxMachines @oldestlivingboy favourited '#Canonical Readies #Mesa 17.1.0 for Ubuntu 16.04 and...'May 28 10:37
acer-box        https://twitter.com/FYates94/status/868767508832157696May 28 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FYates94: @HorshamGardener @schestowitz @jeremycorbyn Typical Tory. Angrily bashing the keyboard with a fist until a politica… https://t.co/BowHD7uWliMay 28 10:56
acer-box"Typical Tory. Angrily bashing the keyboard with a fist until a political statement is typed #infinitemonkeys"May 28 10:56
acer-boxThe latest says 7 points https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/26/voting-intention-conservatives-43-labour-36-25-26-/ and YouGov is run by a ToryMay 28 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yougov.co.uk | YouGov | Voting Intention: Conservatives 43%, Labour 36% (25-26 May)May 28 10:59
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/dFfo3FK.gifvMay 28 11:45
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sebsebsebhiMay 28 13:41
oiaohmsebsebseb: HiMay 28 13:43
oiaohmhttps://cgit.freedesktop.org/~airlied/mesa/log/?h=r600-rats&utm_source=phx   got to like using rats on a prototype branch.May 28 13:45
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sebsebseboiaohm: hiMay 28 13:46
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TweetTuxMachines                 #VoidLinux - the Strangely Overlooked DistributionMay 28 18:40
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/B06oH1GgXo (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 18:40
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#VoidLinux - the Strangely Overlooked Distribution https://t.co/B06oH1GgXo #gnu...'May 28 18:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/sb101sb/status/868889831635644416May 28 19:14
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #VoidLinux - the Strangely Overlooked DistributionMay 28 19:14
TweetTuxMachines @sb101sb        https://t.co/B06oH1GgXo (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 19:14
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange If that is intended to suggest that...'May 28 19:14
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange A daily reality in Russia. How many...'May 28 19:57
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange A daily reality in Russia....'May 28 20:13
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks SNP leader has just said the same,...'May 28 20:27
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Very much doubt so. If anything, they'd...'May 28 20:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn The immediate imperative is getting #tories out...'May 28 20:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn There's no lack of money in circulation....'May 28 20:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn https://t.co/N2DyUYzyfy'May 28 21:02
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @Conservatives https://t.co/kvnQLMHiC1'May 28 21:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868930978340773888May 28 21:45
TweetTuxMachines                 #FreeBSD News: 64-bit Inodes and #KDEMay 28 21:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/4uDxbhZbEr (tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unixMay 28 21:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FreeBSD News: 64-bit Inodes and #KDE https://t.co/4uDxbhZbEr #bsd...'May 28 21:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868944197704794112May 28 22:37
TweetTuxMachines                 These are the most exciting Linux powered devicesMay 28 22:37
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/vlOqZAeteT (tuxmachines.org) #linux #gnuMay 28 22:37
TweetTuxMachines                 #freedom #gplMay 28 22:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | These are the most exciting Linux powered devices | Tux MachinesMay 28 22:37
*TweetTuxMachines @motherfuckajew favourited 'These are the most exciting Linux powered devices...'May 28 22:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868944469113978880May 28 23:19
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    These are the most exciting Linux powered devicesMay 28 23:19
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/vlOqZAeteT (tuxmachines.org) #linux #gnuMay 28 23:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #freedom #gplMay 28 23:19
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868954889514135552May 28 23:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #GNOME and #GTK News: GNOME Release and MoreMay 28 23:19
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/dzMAK8e0lN (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxMay 28 23:19
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/868955047962361856May 28 23:20
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux, #Blockchain, and #Graphics May 28 23:20
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/pUPEH69jnF (tuxmachines.org)May 28 23:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Linux, Blockchain, and Graphics | Tux MachinesMay 28 23:20
*TweetTuxMachines @motherfuckajew favourited '#Linux, #Blockchain, and #Graphics https://t.co/pUPEH69jnF'May 28 23:21
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/868955355631329280May 28 23:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Father in law turns 70 today (bless him!). Coming backMay 28 23:21
TweetTuxMachines                 home Friday, won't cover #gnu #linux as much, sofollowMay 28 23:21
TweetTuxMachines                 @tuxmachines for all that...May 28 23:21
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liberty_boxhttps://arstechnica.com/science/2017/05/i-was-struck-by-lightning-yesterday-and-boy-am-i-sore/May 29 00:31
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liberty_box"Today, my whole body is sore—even my organs ache in a hard-to-describe way—but I feel lucky to have walked away unscathed. There's a fine line between awe and terror. I have now been inextricably nudged to the right of it."May 29 00:31
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DaemonFCSo, what's the plan for existing Ubuntu GNOME users? Do they just get updated to the next release and that's just "Ubuntu" now? I'd kind of like to know before I commit to installing something.May 29 00:58
DaemonFCI'm not too sure that I like Wayland anyway.May 29 01:05
DaemonFCI have a HiDPI display and when I tried out KDE on Wayland, I could only choose to scale 100%, 200%, etc. No 250% option.May 29 01:05
DaemonFCRyan FarmerMay 29 01:07
DaemonFCJust now · Chicago · May 29 01:07
DaemonFC"Microsoft Edge is safer than Chrome"May 29 01:07
DaemonFCFrom the company that brought you NTFS file locking on $MFT. :)May 29 01:07
DaemonFCI own some of Apple and Microsoft, indirectly.May 29 01:09
DaemonFCIndex fund. Can't avoid them if I want my money in the index. Not sure I'd want to anyway. They have been making a lot of money lately.May 29 01:10
DaemonFCThe return on bonds is pathetic nowadays. It's a safe place for your money to rapidly lose value to inflation. The US is paying 2.3% on ten year notes and that's "high" by the standards of the developed world.May 29 01:11
DaemonFCThe only way to get higher returns is to accept default risk on bonds from entities with lower credit ratings.May 29 01:11
DaemonFCSomeone will even lend Chicago Public Schools money, at triple the rate what a school system with good credit would pay.May 29 01:12
DaemonFCSo we're all trapped in the "most hated stock market rally ever".May 29 01:15
DaemonFCOf course they call it that because the rally is happening due to a mix of inflation and low bond returns. Everyone piles up to get into the stock market in the hopes of beating the rate on bonds and that's why the market goes up.May 29 01:15
DaemonFCI saw an article saying that Google and Amazon stocks are near $1,000 a share and that makes them easier to manipulate. The whole market is manipulated.May 29 01:16
DaemonFCIf the government was offering even 4-5% on bonds, which it was as recently as 20 years ago, people would pile out of the stock market and it would crash.May 29 01:16
DaemonFCThis is not comparable to the rally of the 1990s at all. That was a bubble, of course, but it was a bubble that formed despite higher interest rates because people were investing in technology stocks that they didn't understand (anything with a .com after it had a huge IPO even with no product).May 29 01:18
DaemonFCThis rally is the "lack of better options" one. The "everything bubble".May 29 01:18
DaemonFCMicrosoft is horribly horribly overvalued right now considering what their prospects are.May 29 01:19
DaemonFCIn a sane environment, they would either have to do a major share buyback or a higher dividend because when your stock value stops rising rapidly, investors eventually want the money somehow.May 29 01:19
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liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/RicoMuscatel/status/868985855628718082May 29 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RicoMuscatel: @MCopeland1981 @schestowitz @JulianAssange Oh, please, are you really that gullible?May 29 01:23
DaemonFCAnyway, I've been really meaning to go Linux full time on this machine since November of last year. I installed the "Linux" BIOS and then kept it in RAID mode. Dabbling with Linux from a live environment, trying to get a feel for what works and what doesn't.May 29 01:23
DaemonFCSkylake mobile was such a major shake-up that many things in Linux just didn't work last year, or they worked and your laptop wouldn't go into low power mode, etc.May 29 01:24
DaemonFCI think the Linux 4.10 kernel is finally basically good enough to use, albeit I'll have to tinker to get some rough edges taken care of (powertop tuning, display scale problems, etc.).May 29 01:25
DaemonFCThe system spends most of its idle time in the deepest power saving mode with all of the tunables set, so that's encouraging.May 29 01:26
DaemonFCMatthew Garrett tested Linux 4.5 last year and estimated that under Windows it would idle at around 4 watts, and under Linux it would idle at around 8-9. With kernel 4.10 and some tuning, I'd be shocked if there was a major difference between Windows and Linux on battery life.May 29 01:27
DaemonFCI brought all of this up last year when Garrett was telling me that even if I got Lenovo to allow Linux installs it was no use because power policy sucked back then (about 6 months ago).May 29 01:28
DaemonFCI came back with "If we don't get them to allow Linux installs then nobody will ever be able to use Linux regardless of if and when the power management is good.".May 29 01:29
DaemonFCMy god that guy is short-sighted.May 29 01:29
DaemonFCAnd it got them to change their tune about the Yoga 910 as well, and ship it with AHCI support out of the box. That one went from crap power management on Linux to good about 4 months after it was released.May 29 01:30
DaemonFCToughing it out with Windows 10 for 4-6 months is better than being stuck with it for five years, or more.May 29 01:30
DaemonFCWhat happens if you can only run Windows and they put more ads and spam in it or start disabling features and making you pay to subscribe to everything but the "core system". We're getting there.May 29 01:31
DaemonFCThe "Surface S" runs a new crippled Windos SKU that won't run anything from outside the store -or- the Subsystem for Linux apps unless you pay $50, which is about what OEMs were paying for the license all along.May 29 01:32
DaemonFCI'd be interested in whether these things can run Linux.May 29 01:32
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cubexyzmy conscience is clear, no M$ stocksMay 29 01:47
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cubexyzxdpr is just a bash scriptMay 29 02:22
cubexyzit calls xwd and xprMay 29 02:22
oiaohmI thought that was a standard posix sh ie no bash extras.May 29 02:24
cubexyzright, rightMay 29 02:24
oiaohmcubexyz: because if it had become bash at some point that would have been a interesting goof up.May 29 02:27
cubexyzbash was first released in 1989 but xpdr is olderMay 29 02:28
cubexyzso far I haven't managed to get it to print :-/May 29 02:28
cubexyztypo again... xdprMay 29 02:28
cubexyzI don't think I can just pipe xwd output to lpMay 29 02:30
cubexyzok, I want the black and white reversed or I'm using too much toner May 29 02:32
oiaohmcubexyz: from memory no as lp is text or postscriptMay 29 02:32
oiaohmcubexyz: and newer versions support pdf as well.May 29 02:32
cubexyzah, yeah but xpr does the conversion to postscriptMay 29 02:33
cubexyzxdpr dump.xwd -rv | lp -d HPMay 29 02:34
cubexyzthat works, but I get an error.. stdin in emptyMay 29 02:35
cubexyzweirdMay 29 02:35
cubexyzI'm doing something not quite rightMay 29 02:36
cubexyzstdin is emptyMay 29 02:36
cubexyzdoh, I guess I don't pipe it at all :)May 29 02:41
cubexyzxdpr dump.xwd -rv May 29 02:41
cubexyzok, now I have some extra scrap paper :-PMay 29 02:41
cubexyzif anyone wants to see the source:May 29 02:44
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/xpr-1.0.1.tar.bz2May 29 02:44
cubexyzxpr has some nice command line settings for gamma correction and scalingMay 29 02:50
cubexyzI remember I used to do stuff like: cat test.txt > /dev/lp0 (output to parallel port)May 29 03:05
cubexyzcat file.txt | lp  May 29 03:06
cubexyzthat should also workMay 29 03:06
cubexyzof course "lp file.txt" works tooMay 29 03:07
cubexyzearly AIX on IBM RT had X10R3May 29 03:13
oiaohmMore I hear of microsoft usage of git more nightmare in design windows source code sounds.May 29 04:28
cubexyzyou can look at NT 4.0 codeMay 29 04:28
oiaohm300GB git repo sounds like something over due for splitting.May 29 04:28
cubexyzor maybe you have alreadyMay 29 04:28
oiaohmcubexyz: you use to be able to get XP source under educational usage only.    Yes this was highly stupid you were allowed to read the source but not build it.May 29 04:29
cubexyzpffftMay 29 04:29
oiaohmcubexyz: Ok you could bulid to only to confirm that the source and XP matched .May 29 04:30
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oiaohmSo a reporductable build testMay 29 04:30
oiaohmI don't know if 7 and 10 has programs like that around I would suspect so.May 29 04:31
oiaohmThis is what lead to NSA and other collecting known back doors.May 29 04:31
cubexyzJudge Kollar-Kotelly ordered M$ to disclose windows XP source I thinkMay 29 04:32
cubexyzand I noted you said "used to"May 29 04:32
oiaohmhttps://m.thhttps://m.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/21/caldera_case_expert_to_reviewMay 29 04:34
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oiaohmhttps://m.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/21/caldera_case_expert_to_review/May 29 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-m.theregister.co.uk | Caldera case expert to review Windows XP source code • The RegisterMay 29 04:34
oiaohmcubexyz: it happened a few times.May 29 04:35
cubexyzreall would you really want to sift through all that?May 29 04:35
cubexyzreallyMay 29 04:35
cubexyzI'd rather just forget about itMay 29 04:35
oiaohmhttp://windowsitpro.com/windows-server/microsoft-grants-windows-source-code-access-mvps  then you have this starting in 2003May 29 04:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-windowsitpro.com | Microsoft Grants Windows Source Code Access to MVPs | Windows Server content from Windows IT Pro [ http://ur1.ca/qxnp2 ]May 29 04:36
oiaohmso the idea that windows is closed source and people cannot be using automated tools against it to find faults who are not microsoft is bogus.May 29 04:36
cubexyzAllchin ranks high on the list of Microsoft jerksMay 29 04:39
cubexyz"We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger"May 29 04:39
cubexyzoh and this is another gem:May 29 04:40
oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Laboratories,_Inc._v._Berkeley_Software_Design,_Inc.  I am not sure I am unhappy about what happened to NovellMay 29 04:40
cubexyz"You should make sure it has problems in the future:May 29 04:41
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cubexyzDR-DOS commentMay 29 04:41
cubexyzso remember Allchin was a jerkMay 29 04:41
oiaohmcubexyz: do remember Novell has a long history of being jerks taking other people copyrighted works and stripping the credit.May 29 04:41
oiaohmWhat happened to Dr-dos that was a jerk.May 29 04:42
cubexyzha, and DR-DOS used some utilities from FreeDOSMay 29 04:43
cubexyzbut whatever, I'm never going to be a microsoft MVPMay 29 04:44
oiaohmcubexyz: worse utilities from freedos under GPL license and they did not obey license and stripped out credit markings.May 29 04:46
oiaohmcubexyz: and that back traces to being performed at Novell.May 29 04:46
cubexyzI'm more of a Bell Labs + BSD fan reallyMay 29 04:47
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera_%28company%29  and that leads to the SCO groups desperations.May 29 04:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Caldera (company) - WikipediaMay 29 04:47
oiaohmcubexyz: yes SCO suing Linux comes out of NovellMay 29 04:48
cubexyzVenix and Xenix and all that... I never got anything but small scraps of source codeMay 29 04:48
oiaohmNovell copyright thief who has caused lots of companies harm.May 29 04:49
cubexyzthe one everyone remembers fondly was Unix v7May 29 04:49
oiaohmMicrosoft hating Novell is kind of a given.  All companies who watched Novell history would not have wanting to be doing business with them as it was a great way to get burnt.May 29 04:49
cubexyzmost companies do evil thingsMay 29 04:49
oiaohmSelling products you don't own?  Novell common play card.May 29 04:50
oiaohmYes most companies do evil things.   Most don't go selling stuff they don't own.May 29 04:50
oiaohmcubexyz: Novell is the second car salesman who regularly got caught selling cars they don't own of the software world.May 29 04:53
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cubexyzoh btw...May 29 05:03
cubexyzBell Labs recently allowed non-commercial study of the source code of Unix v8, v9 and v10May 29 05:04
cubexyzhttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/30/old_unix_source_code_opened_for_study/May 29 05:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Samizdat no more: Old Unix source code opened for study • The RegisterMay 29 05:04
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oiaohmcubexyz: that opens up Pandora for claims of taint.   I really hate non-commercial clauses.May 29 05:07
oiaohmcubexyz: http://monster6502.com/ I am sure I mentioned about this one to your before.May 29 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-monster6502.com | MOnSter 6502May 29 05:08
oiaohmDaemonFC: Windows 10 S is because OEMs don't want to pay for Windows licenses and Microsoft has to make it money some how.May 29 05:08
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DaemonFCAs long as you can still nuke Windows and install some other operating system, that's just fine.May 29 05:09
DaemonFCAt least the OEM won't pay Microsoft and then build the cost of the license into the computer.May 29 05:09
DaemonFCSomething tells me it'll be Lenovo 2.0. They just find some way to prevent Linux from being installed and "oops".May 29 05:10
cubexyzI have v8 running on emulated vax780May 29 05:11
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cubexyzno idea what v9 and v10 can run onMay 29 05:11
cubexyzoh wait, I doMay 29 05:12
cubexyzv9 can run on Sun-3May 29 05:12
cubexyzthe old motorola 68020 cpuMay 29 05:14
cubexyzyeah I think monster 6502 was announced about a year agoMay 29 05:18
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cubexyzthere's a newer version of the Lanam APL in thereMay 29 05:41
cubexyzin Unix v10May 29 05:41
cubexyzlooks like Unix v10 was VAX onlyMay 29 05:47
cubexyzVax-11/750, Vax-11/780 and microvax II and IIIMay 29 05:48
cubexyzI don't think I'm going to be running v10 anytime soon :-/May 29 05:50
oiaohmcubexyz: https://github.com/simh/simhMay 29 06:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - simh/simh: The Computer History Simulation ProjectMay 29 06:25
cubexyzoiaohm, there's no disk imageMay 29 06:26
oiaohmcubexyz: simh has Vax-11/750 and Microvax IIMay 29 06:26
oiaohmcubexyz: and I guess it missing the source to the boot loader and getting the build tools to work will be hell.May 29 06:27
cubexyzI already have unix v8 running on simh, plus a bunch of other onesMay 29 06:27
oiaohmVax-11/780 is in there as well.May 29 06:28
oiaohmSo the only one missing unless it under some other name is microvax IIIMay 29 06:28
oiaohmcubexyz: wonder if unix v8 can build unix v10 source.May 29 06:31
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DaemonFCVery strange bug in Fedora.May 29 06:44
cubexyzit's odd how v9 drifted unto Sun3May 29 06:44
DaemonFCI posted to Facebook.May 29 06:44
DaemonFCI checked out a Fedora live image with the latest updates as of 5-23 and GNOME and Wayland seem to work well enough, except that my volume control buttons worked and then something happened and they did not work anymore. I tried rebooting, shutting down, etc. No dice.May 29 06:44
DaemonFCThey work in Windows. If I go to the GNOME Settings app and pick buttons to assign to volume up, down, and mute it detects them as I press the button, and they work as F1, F2, and F3 if I hold down the Fn key.May 29 06:44
DaemonFCI googled it. Seems to be a problem that happens now and then. The only answer is to run GNOME in an X11 session. Boo! That's not what I want!May 29 06:44
DaemonFCoiaohm, Wayland still seems rough around the edges.May 29 06:45
DaemonFCI think it's odd that Fedora is including MP3 playback (public domain on that end now) but Ubuntu won't, but what Ubuntu *will* do is obviously violate the GPL with ZFS, which is under an incompatible license.May 29 06:47
DaemonFCTheir lawyers apparently disagree. I'm not sure that I'd (a) trust that MINORITY legal opinion and (b) bait Oracle into suing me.May 29 06:48
cubexyzsome folks are running v9 on TMEMay 29 06:48
DaemonFCThey already managed to go judge shopping in the US until they found one that says that you can copyright an API.May 29 06:48
DaemonFCDoes Ubuntu really want to ship Oracle code that *is* copyrighted and almost certainly has that copyright being infringed?May 29 06:48
cubexyzwouldn't OpenZFS be ok to use?May 29 06:50
DaemonFCDoes Ubuntu really want to ship Oracle code that *is* copyrighted and almost certainly has that copyright being infringed?May 29 06:51
DaemonFCerrMay 29 06:51
DaemonFCstupid up keyMay 29 06:51
DaemonFCcubexyz, The way I heard it is that Ubuntu is shipping Linux kernel code under the CDDL (the ZFS module) and claiming that it's alright because being a loadable module doesn't make you a derived work of the kernel. "The Nvidia defense"May 29 06:52
DaemonFCIt seems like Fedora is shipping Wayland out when it's clearly not ready to go.May 29 06:54
DaemonFCLike most of the F25 Known Issues involve Wayland.May 29 06:54
DaemonFCThen there's this. May 29 06:54
DaemonFChttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?component=wayland&product=Wayland&resolution=---May 29 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.freedesktop.org | Bugzilla is pondering your searchMay 29 06:54
DaemonFCOf course, it _is_ Fedora. They're well known for shipping things before they are known to work properly and then the users are supposed to spend all their time filing bugs on it.May 29 06:55
DaemonFCTechnology testbed more than an operating system.May 29 06:55
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oiaohmDaemonFC: I agree wayland is still a work in progress.   There is only so far you can get before starting more broad testing.May 29 09:09
DaemonFCSo, my volume keys only work if I'm holding down the Alt button on Fedora 25. Any ideas?May 29 09:10
oiaohmDaemonFC: really I don't know how that would be different thinking both wayland and X11 should be using libinput backend.May 29 09:10
DaemonFCWell, it seems to work fine under X, but not under Wayland.May 29 09:11
oiaohmDaemonFC: its a reportable bug.  Most likely people testing it have not had keyboards with those keys.May 29 09:12
oiaohmDaemonFC: I would think your x.org would be using libinput?May 29 09:12
oiaohmDaemonFC: it is possilbe that you x11 is not using libinput https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LibinputMay 29 09:13
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers: Russian Critic, #NTFS Chaos, #CentOSMay 29 10:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: Russian Critic, #NTFS Chaos, #CentOS Patches,...'May 29 10:38
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Peppermint 8 #Linux OS Released, It's Based on #UbuntuMay 29 10:39
TweetTuxMachines                 16.04.2 LTS with Linux 4.8 https://t.co/mazYixjxSBMay 29 10:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Peppermint 8 Linux OS Released, It's Based on Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS with Linux 4.8 | Tux MachinesMay 29 10:39
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Peppermint 8 #Linux OS Released, It's Based on...'May 29 10:43
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux Devices, #Tizen, and #AndroidMay 29 10:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Linux Devices, #Tizen, and #Android https://t.co/0UBHi541vK'May 29 10:46
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Linux Devices, #Tizen, and #Android https://t.co/0UBHi541vK'May 29 10:47
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liberty_box_> Hi, Roy,May 29 11:58
liberty_box_> May 29 11:58
liberty_box_> I was at a shop the other day and noticed they had about two dozenMay 29 11:58
liberty_box_> notebooks. None were Chromebooks and all but four or five Apples wereMay 29 11:58
liberty_box_> Vista 10.  The interesting thing was that not a single one of theMay 29 11:58
liberty_box_> Vista10 machines had a M$ or Windoze label on it.May 29 11:58
liberty_box_> May 29 11:58
liberty_box_> I think I mentioned that before around a year or two ago.  It's stillMay 29 11:58
liberty_box_> the case that both trademarks have become a liability.May 29 11:58
liberty_box_> May 29 11:58
liberty_box_> For another example, look at the silver sponsors of this conference:May 29 11:58
liberty_box_> May 29 11:58
liberty_box_> https://www.ieee-security.org/TC/SP2017/May 29 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ieee-security.org | IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy 2017May 29 11:59
liberty_box_> May 29 11:59
liberty_box_> Notice M$ is trying to shrink its visibility while attempting toMay 29 11:59
liberty_box_> increase influence.May 29 11:59
liberty_box_2 days ago we went to 5 computer store s here. None had GNU/Linux or even CHromebooks. But that depends on the country.May 29 11:59
liberty_box_https://twitter.com/debexpert/status/869145237490470912May 29 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@debexpert: @schestowitz XDMay 29 11:59
oiaohmcubexyz: https://gitlab.com/esr/open-adventure  I guess you have seen this?May 29 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Eric S. Raymond / open-adventure · GitLabMay 29 12:15
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MinceRhttp://random.cat/i/dDVns.gifMay 29 20:37
DaemonFChttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/01/debian_stretch_omits_secure_boot/May 29 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Secure Boot booted from Debian 9 'Stretch' • The RegisterMay 29 20:47
DaemonFCSo basically every computer made now will not boot to Debian without user intervention.May 29 20:48
DaemonFCI wonder what their plan is if Secure Boot can't be turned off at some point and they don't boot at all.May 29 20:48
DaemonFCNot that I agree with what Ubuntu did either.May 29 20:49
MinceRthey'll buy windows, obviouslyMay 29 20:50
MinceRthey swallowed systemd with joyMay 29 20:50
MinceRthey swallowed Restricted Boot with joyMay 29 20:51
MinceRthey'll swallow windows with joyMay 29 20:51
DaemonFCThey enforce Secure Boot down to the kernel level, so you can't addd your own unsigned modules unless you add a Machine Owner's Key to shim.May 29 20:51
MinceRyet they somehow expect me to pay for that appliance and to buy electricity and internet access for itMay 29 20:51
DaemonFCBut the problem with that is that malware that manages to elevate its privileges could just add its own signing key to shim and then load a malicious kernel module.May 29 20:52
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DaemonFCSo, you might as well only enforce secure boot until you get to grub.May 29 20:52
DaemonFCFrom a security viewpoint.May 29 20:53
MinceRyou might as well never enforce secure bootMay 29 20:53
DaemonFCMinceR, It gets worse.May 29 20:53
MinceRit always doesMay 29 20:53
MinceRit's the specialty of our speciesMay 29 20:53
DaemonFCIf you turn off Secure Boot, Ubuntu and Fedora COMPLAIN on boot that they are booting in insecure mode.May 29 20:53
DaemonFCIt's a wart. It leaves a line in your system log. That's about all.May 29 20:53
DaemonFCI can't see any reason why a user would want to leave it on and allow Microsoft to decide whether to keep signing shim or not.May 29 20:54
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DaemonFCWindows enforces Secure Boot now. It won't start up at all without it unless you already had Secure Boot off when you installed a version of Windows 10 that didn't enforce that.May 29 20:55
MinceRwell, of courseMay 29 20:56
DaemonFCIt just prints to the screen a thing that tells you to go into your BIOS and turn Secure Boot back on.May 29 20:56
MinceRcanonical and red hat serve m$ nowMay 29 20:56
MinceRthey're licking asatya nadella's bootsMay 29 20:56
MinceRi can't see any reason why a user would want to run ubuntu or fedoraMay 29 20:56
DaemonFCMinceR, Pretty soon, the only way to run either of them will be as apps from the Windows Store.May 29 20:56
MinceRor debian8, for that matterMay 29 20:56
DaemonFCThen they'll be kicked out of there too.May 29 20:57
MinceRindeedMay 29 20:57
DaemonFCMinceR, I see, a few years down the road.....May 29 20:58
DaemonFC"We're discontinuing support for the Windows Subsystem for Linux, but don't worry. Here are some Visual Studio plug-ins to convert your apps to the Universal Windows Platform.May 29 20:59
MinceR:>May 29 20:59
MinceRand for the super low price of $99/year, you'll even get to run the resulting binaries!May 29 21:00
MinceR(may be revoked at any time)May 29 21:00
DaemonFCThey've been inching closer to that.May 29 21:00
DaemonFCWindows 10 S is a trial balloon to see if they can get people to accept that.May 29 21:00
MinceRas are iphonesMay 29 21:00
DaemonFCMinceR, It may reach a point where I *have* to buy a Macbook.May 29 21:01
DaemonFCI know, I know. Too expensive....Barf... Why?May 29 21:01
DaemonFCYou go to a Linux dev conference these days and upwards of 70% are using Macbooks.May 29 21:01
MinceRi suspect crApple will lock crapbooks down in lockstep with m$May 29 21:01
MinceRwell yeah, the industry is full of amateurs who have no clue what they're doingMay 29 21:02
DaemonFCIt's reached the point where it's all the people who are building Linux are really doing a great job to support, because they use it themselves.May 29 21:02
MinceRit shows everywhereMay 29 21:02
MinceRmost of our software is garbage and most of our hardware is garbageMay 29 21:02
DaemonFCThen you report a problem with your PC laptop and none of them care. (Matthew Garrett)May 29 21:02
DaemonFCOr they attack you. (Matthew Garrett)May 29 21:02
DaemonFCOr they make excuses for Microsoft and Intel. (Matthew Garrett)May 29 21:03
MinceRwe'll have to start building our own cpusMay 29 21:03
DaemonFCIt seems to be getting there.May 29 21:03
DaemonFCMight as well start setting back some money and getting ready to massively overpay for a System76?May 29 21:03
DaemonFCThen it's their job to make sure Ubuntu works. I might not stick to Ubuntu, but if Ubuntu works, most any distro should.May 29 21:04
DaemonFCOr one of those Dell XPS laptops. Might go that route next time.May 29 21:04
DaemonFCIt's getting back to the bad old days when you have to restrict yourself to known good configurations or it's unlikely to run Linux at all, and that's due to UEFI, bad OEMs like Lenovo, etc.May 29 21:05
DaemonFCAnd there they were telling us that UEFI wasn't an assault on Linux, and it's been nothing but that.May 29 21:06
MinceRmaybe they'll make sure lendows works but no unixes doMay 29 21:06
DaemonFCIt was almost impossible to find a PC with a legacy BIOS that wouldn't run Linux.May 29 21:06
MinceRand we get to start the fight over for laptops that can run unixMay 29 21:06
DaemonFCMaybe there were bugs, but you add some hardware quirks and it's good again.May 29 21:06
DaemonFCI'm wondering if those Surface laptops with Windows 10 S will be restricted to Windows.May 29 21:07
MinceRprobablyMay 29 21:07
MinceRit's m$, after allMay 29 21:08
DaemonFCI'm saying 80/20 on that. On one hand, up until now MSFT has been pretty liberal on what you can run on your Surface and most of the problems were just that there was a new piece of hardware. Like you needed a touchpad driver or something.May 29 21:08
MinceRand they'll probably be garbage quality like beforeMay 29 21:08
DaemonFCOn the other, it's subsidized hardware now, and they really really want you to py for the Windows upgrade that lets you use it as a general purpose computer again.May 29 21:08
DaemonFCMinceR, Wait and see approach.May 29 21:09
DaemonFCI'm done buying hardware and then fighting shitty OEMs later.May 29 21:09
MinceR:>May 29 21:09
DaemonFCI'll just let someone else step in it and see what a google search turns out.May 29 21:10
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@HISTORY @JulianAssange Which happened. Kill the Messenger...'May 29 21:11
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange @Lenin Journalists receive leaks all the time....'May 29 21:13
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DaemonFChttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5p3xtr/the_wayland_situation_facts_about_x_vs_wayland/#bottom-commentsMay 29 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | The Wayland Situation: Facts About X vs. Wayland : linux [ http://ur1.ca/qxq03 ]May 29 21:28
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DaemonFCMinceR, Why do I get the impression that Wayland is turning into LightDM redux?May 29 21:29
DaemonFC"It's really really light and thin.....Oh, and now every compositor that wants to talk with it has to implement all these things that X11 already took care of."May 29 21:29
DaemonFCIt seems more like shifting development hassle away from the Wayland devs and to everyone who wants to make a window manager.May 29 21:30
MinceRlolMay 29 21:30
DaemonFCIt also means that without standard core features provided by Wayland, that everyone is going to implement those features with their own code, and you'll get crazy bugs that only crop up when you use a certain window manager, which would have been easier to track down and kill with X.May 29 21:30
DaemonFCWayland is more like a thin wrapper thatt handles "the last mile", but it shifts complexity out to everyone else and creates a lot of work there.May 29 21:31
MinceRdon't worry, gnome will get it all done, all wrong, and they'll try all the tricks in m$'s book to force it on youMay 29 21:32
DaemonFCSo, the bigger projects like GNOME and KDE will have native Wayland support, but the smaller ones will tell you to load Wayland and talk between Wayland and their window manager with XWayland.May 29 21:32
MinceRs/done/half done/May 29 21:32
MinceRand the bigger projects will also depend on systemd :>May 29 21:32
DaemonFCAnd even though XWayland was supposed to be "at least as fast" as using X directly now, and "maybe faster" and "certainly with less tearing", people are finding out that (a) They lose performance with Wayland directly and they lose more performance with XWayland talking to Wayland, (b) Wine using XWayland makes video games unplayable and doesn't let you turn off vsync, (c) either way, they have to log out and use a "GNOME on X" session.May 29 21:34
DaemonFCOh, and Wayland broke some of my hotkeys for some reason and nobody is sure why.May 29 21:34
MinceRlolMay 29 21:35
MinceRso it's far from  stable -- which means it's the perfect time to force it on all users!May 29 21:35
MinceRright, red hat supporters? :>May 29 21:35
DaemonFCMinceR, Bonus: the GNOME Wayland session is horribly unstable on Fedora 26. Crashes every few minutes. Caused four delays already.May 29 21:35
DaemonFCMinceR, By the time they get it working well enough that a stable operating system might be interested in using it, it'll be about 6 years since the first code commit and like two distributions will be using it by default, both with fallbacks.May 29 21:37
DaemonFCOh, and you'll only be able to use it with GNOME because KDE on Wayland is roughly where GNOME was last year.May 29 21:37
DaemonFCSo much for their "thin wrapper".May 29 21:38
DaemonFCMinceR, Wayland is turning out to be as much of a disaster as the early days of Pulseaudio.May 29 21:38
DaemonFCIt ust doesn't handle the use cases that they said it would, so nobody wants to ship it except Fedora, which ships broken stuff all the time.May 29 21:39
DaemonFChttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GNOME3.24May 29 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/GNOME3.24 - FedoraProjectMay 29 21:43
DaemonFCone of the new features is "browse as root" in the file managerMay 29 21:43
DaemonFCPretty sure that Konquerer and Nautilus could do that 20 years ago.May 29 21:44
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MinceR:>May 29 21:50
MinceRbut won't that option confuse users?May 29 21:50
MinceRlike the print dialog options did?May 29 21:50
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/logical-fallaciesMay 29 21:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Logical FallaciesMay 29 21:55
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DaemonFCMinceR, According to the interview about why X waas bad, it came up that it used to have its own print server.May 29 22:07
DaemonFCIt was removed after someone added printing support to glxgears,May 29 22:07
MinceRlolMay 29 22:08
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DaemonFC"Wayland is already in need of extensions to provide functionality that X11 offered by design out of the box. A “clean, fresh start, designed with the requirements of the current decade in mind” that needs extensions before it even gets off the launching pad is hardly what I would call a good design."May 29 22:22
MinceRwell, modularity would be niceMay 29 22:23
MinceRbut putting one half of the window manager in the display server and the other in the gui toolkit is not modularityMay 29 22:23
MinceRit's just bad designMay 29 22:24
MinceRbut at least that could be fixed without too much fussMay 29 22:24
DaemonFCI get that X11 is becoming a pain though. One of the developers said there's only 3 people who really understand xinput and he wishes he wasn't one of them.May 29 22:25
MinceR:>May 29 22:26
DaemonFChttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=x_wayland_situation&num=1May 29 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Wayland Situation: Facts About X vs. Wayland - PhoronixMay 29 22:26
DaemonFCI) We've spent the last 10 years or so “fixing” the X server by wrapping it in more and more extensions and plugins. Problem with that though is...X only has minimal versioning support in its extension system.May 29 22:27
DaemonFC            A) Versioning is handled per client, not per bind. So if your app supports one version of a given extension but your toolkit supports another, you can't predict which version of that extension you will get.May 29 22:27
DaemonFC            B) Theoretical example: Rekonq supports Xinput 2.2. Kdelibs support Xinput 2.0, Flash plugin only supports Core X11...all of those things are gonna fight over what version of Input “Rekonq” supports and in the end you're gonna get one version to support everything...may not be the version that EVERYTHING supports though.May 29 22:27
MinceR:>May 29 22:27
DaemonFCFIGHT!May 29 22:27
DaemonFCFINISH HIM!May 29 22:28
DaemonFCFLAWLESS VICTORY!May 29 22:28
DaemonFCMinceR, I assume that was probably what caused Rekonq to crash so much when I was trying to use it with Flash.May 29 22:29
MinceRcould beMay 29 22:29
MinceRcould also be flash being garbageMay 29 22:29
DaemonFCThere's that.May 29 22:29
DaemonFCFor a long time, I had to use that nspluginwrapper thing on it to bridge the 32-bit Flash plugin to 64-bit Firefox.May 29 22:29
DaemonFCThat was a nightmare.May 29 22:29
DaemonFCAnd it tried to wrap every npapi plugin it could find too, including the ones that it wasn't compatible with.May 29 22:30
DaemonFCMinceR, I used to have to do all kinds of horrible things to make Linux work, like ndiswrapper.May 29 22:31
MinceRi didn'tMay 29 22:32
DaemonFCI had a wifi chipset that only had a Windows XP driver.May 29 22:32
DaemonFCSo to use it, I had to install ndiswrapper and use the Windows XP driver on Linux.May 29 22:32
DaemonFCIt was surprisingly stable considering...May 29 22:32
DaemonFCKind of annoying to try to set up a new Linux install with no wifi driver though.May 29 22:33
DaemonFCIt would be impossible on this laptop without an ethernet dongle.May 29 22:33
MinceRi never had such garbage chipsetsMay 29 22:33
DaemonFCIn fact, the original Fedora 25 installer shipped before the kernel had a wifi driver.May 29 22:33
DaemonFCSo if you load the original installer disk, you won't have a driver and have no way to get on the internet.May 29 22:34
MinceRwhat's worse, you'll end up with fedoraMay 29 22:35
DaemonFCThe distributions should probably go grab all of the new wifi chipset drivers from the latest kernel and include them.May 29 22:35
DaemonFCMinceR, That's actually why the staging tree is built by default in most distributions.May 29 22:35
DaemonFCIt's usually better to have a staging tree driver than none at all.May 29 22:36
DaemonFCMinceR, Everything that ends up in Fedora ends up everywhere else later.May 29 22:36
DaemonFCAnd if it doesn't, they'll make sure that things break in the distributions that refuse it.May 29 22:36
MinceRthose things are to be avoided, thenMay 29 22:37
MinceRfor they are cancer.May 29 22:37
DaemonFCGobbling up the whole world and forcing it to depend on systemd, for example.May 29 22:37
DaemonFCHostile takeover.May 29 22:37
DaemonFCThey even end up fforcing their software into Ubuntu, sooner or later.May 29 22:37
MinceRnot difficultMay 29 22:38
DaemonFCEverything that Ubuntu was working on is now officially dead.May 29 22:38
MinceRunfortunately except for ubuntuMay 29 22:38
DaemonFCMinceR, I tried saying that none of it would be sustainable a few years back when I filed a bunch of bugs against libindicators.May 29 22:39
DaemonFCThe track record of distributions going it alone with their own software is pretty bad.May 29 22:39
DaemonFCEven if it's something small, like a file manager.May 29 22:40
MinceRexcept for ratcrap, apparentlyMay 29 22:40
DaemonFCratcrap?May 29 22:40
DaemonFCOh, Flatpak?May 29 22:40
DaemonFCThat's an interesting project, I think.May 29 22:40
MinceRway too much cancer to listMay 29 22:40
DaemonFCFlatpak works around dependency hell and lets you simply install software.May 29 22:41
DaemonFCAnd the software keeps working even if you change distributions or upgrade or whatever.May 29 22:41
MinceRprovided that you have systemdMay 29 22:41
DaemonFCThere's been previous attempts at doing this.May 29 22:41
MinceRat which point the whole thing is pointlessMay 29 22:42
MinceRyou'll just have to use the implementation of said software that is built into systemdMay 29 22:42
DaemonFCWell, every major distribution has systemd at this point.May 29 22:42
MinceRor into the kernelMay 29 22:42
MinceRyes, every lendows distribution has itMay 29 22:42
MinceRand none of them matterMay 29 22:42
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@HackneyedAbbott @jeremycorbyn @theresa_may https://t.co/8SyoJVVeyO'May 29 22:43
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MinceRif i wanted to run a huge unreliable unsecire black box full of back doors, i'd just run winblowsMay 29 22:43
DaemonFCI think that Devuan will eventualyl cease to exist.May 29 22:43
MinceRwe'll seeMay 29 22:43
DaemonFCThere will be a point where they are maintaining too many forks and give up.May 29 22:43
MinceRdepends on how many unix users remainMay 29 22:43
MinceRand if there aren't enough to keep gnu/linux alive, then we'll keep some bsd aliveMay 29 22:44
DaemonFCThat's the whole point of gobbling up hundreds of pieces of software and making the upstream only work with systemd.May 29 22:44
MinceRand that's what didn't work with windowsMay 29 22:44
DaemonFCMinceR, I think that even the BSDs will give up sooner or later.May 29 22:44
DaemonFCIt's more likely that systemd just ends up being ported to them.May 29 22:44
MinceRthen i'll run outdated unixMay 29 22:45
MinceRthere's a reason i stopped using windows as much as i couldMay 29 22:45
MinceRgiving the same atrocious design a different name won't change thatMay 29 22:45
DaemonFCI think they're in better shape to fight this though, because they maintain a lot of their own stuff to avoid the GPL.May 29 22:45
DaemonFCSo maybe some Linux distributions start using the BSD stuff.May 29 22:45
MinceRand before these retards came over from winblows and brought their moronic culture with them, gnu/linux users understood thatMay 29 22:46
MinceRand i doubt those users ceased to existMay 29 22:46
MinceRmaybe they don't realize how broken lendows is yet, but eventually they willMay 29 22:46
DaemonFCMinceR, I wouldn't take that for granted.May 29 22:46
MinceRswitching OSes once didn't make the desire to use a fundamentally unfucked system go awayMay 29 22:47
DaemonFCThe Steam User Survey lines up against browser stats shows that 90% (if not more) Linux users are heavily concentrated between Ubuntu, Fedora, and OpenSuSE.May 29 22:47
DaemonFCBut mostly Ubuntu.May 29 22:47
MinceR> u know the worst part about being a pedophile? fitting in.May 29 22:48
MinceRthat 90% is probably the clueless partMay 29 22:48
DaemonFCUbuntu became the de facto Linux distribution because it provided a coherent setup at a time when there really wasn't one.May 29 22:48
DaemonFCIt took years for Debian to even have a Live installer disc, and it still won't boot unless you can turn Secure Boot off.May 29 22:49
DaemonFCThe more things you have to stop and explain to the user, the more likely they are to just use Windows.May 29 22:49
DaemonFCFedora and Debian refuse to play files and won't tell you what you need to make them work.May 29 22:50
DaemonFCAverage user says: "Well this sucks." and goes away.May 29 22:50
DaemonFCNow, Richard Stallman says that "advertising non-free software is bad", but really most of what you need these days isn't non-free, it's just patented in some countries.May 29 22:50
DaemonFCThose patents aren't going to expire for decades, and when they do, there will be something else, if there isn't already.May 29 22:51
DaemonFCFor example, h.264, AAC, h.265.May 29 22:51
DaemonFCThere are free implementations, but US patents stop them from being easy to distribute.May 29 22:52
DaemonFCThat's one reason why I was glad that Trump stopped the TPP. Hopefully, whatever "free trade" deal the other members sign doesn't recognize the US "IP" laws TPP was designed to push on them.May 29 22:53
DaemonFCNow that the US isn't involved, there's no reason to entertain that.May 29 22:53
MinceRubuntu is garbage, fedora is garbage and as of version 8, debian is garbage tooMay 29 22:54
MinceRwindows always was garbage, people got tired of itMay 29 22:54
DaemonFCI'm probably going to install Kubuntu, but I haven't made up my mind yet.May 29 22:54
MinceRpeople will get tired of their computer failing to boot and/or shut downMay 29 22:55
DaemonFCI like staying close to Ubuntu for the compatibility.May 29 22:55
MinceRi like staying close to unix for the sanityMay 29 22:55
DaemonFCI'm not sure if Ubuntu GNOME will get an upgrade file that turns it into Ubuntu proper in the next version.May 29 22:55
DaemonFChttp://www.pcworld.com/article/3139812/laptop-computers/after-protest-lenovo-brings-linux-compatibility-to-yoga-900-and-900s.htmlMay 29 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After protest, Lenovo adds Linux compatibility to Yoga 900 and 900S laptops | PCWorldMay 29 22:56
DaemonFCThis is a Linux-only BIOS, meaning it should be used only by those who want to load the OS. If you want to continue with Windows, do not load the firmware. “This BIOS is not intended to be used on machines running Windows operating systems,” Lenovo said.May 29 22:57
DaemonFChehMay 29 22:57
DaemonFCIt can be. About the only difference is it unhides ACHI in Storage Controller Mode.May 29 22:57
DaemonFCLenovo made it difficult to install though. You have to enable BIOS backflash first, because otherwise it tells you it's an older BIOS and won't install it.May 29 22:58
MinceRyeah, but they still want to scare users away from itMay 29 22:58
DaemonFCBy implying it'll blow up your computer if you install it.May 29 22:58
DaemonFCMinceR, I'll probably just use Kubuntu. Other than some minor nits, like scaling issues, it seems to work okay.May 29 23:07
DaemonFCHiDPI displays in Linux still seem to be problematic.May 29 23:08
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DaemonFCMinceR, Now I laugh whenever I think of Fedora because of that stupid song.May 29 23:11
DaemonFCMy anaconda don't want none unless you got buns, hun.May 29 23:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869315154864820224May 29 23:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Development: #JavaScript, #PHP, and #GCC May 29 23:13
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Development: #JavaScript, #PHP, and #GCC https://t.co/915Cus6QAn'May 29 23:13
MinceRDaemonFC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdyU_gW6WEMay 29 23:15
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*TweetTuxMachines @JSTweetsBot retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Development: #JavaScript, #PHP, and #GCC https://t.co/915Cus6QAn'May 29 23:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869317202301771776May 29 23:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Software: #MAAS, Browsers, #GNU #libmicrohttpd and MoreMay 29 23:20
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #MAAS, Browsers, #GNU #libmicrohttpd and More https://t.co/ij93xSK0Bg...'May 29 23:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869329139685146624May 30 00:07
TweetTuxMachines                 #Android Leftovers https://t.co/RTWw1ut8PeMay 30 00:07
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Debian and #Ubuntu news roundup https://t.co/aLcxIwVhVKMay 30 00:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869329412298203137May 30 00:08
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers https://t.co/qmgHTvXR7MMay 30 00:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Android Leftovers https://t.co/RTWw1ut8Pe #google #linux'May 30 00:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/qmgHTvXR7M'May 30 00:13
DaemonFCHmmm. Looks like with Kubuntu, my CPU package never gets out of pc2. At least in the live environment. May 30 00:15
DaemonFCFedora gets to pc8. Same major kernel versions.May 30 00:15
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869330970985414656May 30 00:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Just another gentle reminder: starting this weekend (backMay 30 00:22
TweetTuxMachines                 home) @tuxmachines will handle most of the #gnu #linuxMay 30 00:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869333050626236421May 30 00:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #RaspberryPi foundation merges with #CoderDojo FoundationMay 30 00:23
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/TtmYwRtoG7 (tuxmachines.org) #raspi #linuxMay 30 00:23
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines retweeted @schestowitz: 'Just another gentle reminder: starting this weekend (back...'May 30 00:23
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RaspberryPi foundation merges with #CoderDojo Foundation https://t.co/TtmYwRtoG7 #raspi...'May 30 00:23
cubexyzMinceR, you have to be more accurate...May 30 00:34
cubexyzwhat you really mean is Fedora is garbage _now_May 30 00:34
cubexyzFC1 was pretty goodMay 30 00:35
cubexyzalso redhat 8 and redhat 9 were decentMay 30 00:36
oiaohmFC4-FC5 is when fedora started turning into a heavy test bed.May 30 00:39
DaemonFCFedora is hit or miss.May 30 00:40
DaemonFCThey finally got the distribution upgrade thing to work right from what I've read.May 30 00:40
DaemonFCThat only took forever.May 30 00:40
DaemonFCOf course, some people only had problems because of AtRPMs or something, which clobbers system files and tends to create conflicts when you dist-upgradeMay 30 00:41
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cubexyzI may load up whatever fb I need for the slack boxMay 30 00:42
cubexyzctrl-alt-backspace and then stuck in an unresponsive console :-/May 30 00:43
cubexyzand I see that's been a problem for slack for a while nowMay 30 00:43
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cubexyzI wonder if it's just "modprobe intelfb"May 30 00:46
cubexyzmaybe I'll just telinit 3 inteadMay 30 00:57
cubexyzI used to just "init 3"May 30 00:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@trevortimm: Nothing says "let's celebrate the First Amendment!" like "please don't criticize the president who wants to see us… https://t.co/7ZJWMwuo3IMay 30 01:00
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cubexyzok, fbset --info says "inteldrmfb"May 30 01:03
cubexyzso maybe that's not even a LKMMay 30 01:03
*TweetTuxMachines @webmastersguard favourited '#Debian and #Ubuntu news roundup https://t.co/aLcxIwVhVK #gnu...'May 30 01:04
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cubexyzok, then I'll just /sbin/telinit 3 from now onMay 30 01:07
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    home) @tuxmachines will handle most of the #gnu #linuxMay 30 01:18
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*TweetTuxMachines @tryittoo03 retweeted @schestowitz: 'Just another gentle reminder: starting this weekend (back...'May 30 01:22
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/H2PllznWkg #howto #unix #gnu #linux #cli'May 30 01:24
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Kubic Project Announced  https://t.co/uGDvq9K3ZaMay 30 01:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #freesw #suse #opensuseMay 30 01:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869352138492616704May 30 01:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #SparkyLinux 4.6 to Be Based on #Debian #GNU #Linux 9May 30 01:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #Stretch , Will Use Linux 4.11 https://t.co/OmW9JBwGTFMay 30 01:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Old plot. WikiLeaks: US, Israel, And Saudi...'May 30 01:52
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TweetTuxMachines                 28-Way #NVIDIA #GeForce GPU Comparison On #Ubuntu : FromMay 30 01:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @theresa_may Have mercy on her. That's too...'May 30 07:33
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Ubuntu / #Debian: #Peppermint 8, #BlackLab EnterpriseMay 30 07:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux 11, #UbuntuPhone, and Debian/ #TeXLive 2017May 30 07:34
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DaemonFCClient: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "zesty" 17.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6560U CPU @ 2.20GHz (500MHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.2 GiB Total (13.5 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 69.5 GB / 1.0 TB (941.8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Iris Graphics 540 @ Intel Corporation Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 13m 12sMay 30 07:38
DaemonFCMinceR, No more Windows 10 on this computer.May 30 07:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869445834542243840May 30 09:02
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (tuxmachines.org)May 30 09:02
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn This, in turn, can create more jobs...'May 30 09:02
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn This, in turn, can create...'May 30 09:03
TweetTuxMachines@schestowitz     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869464376692031488May 30 09:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Not #backtowork until next week. Looking forward toMay 30 09:05
TweetTuxMachines                 passing most/all #gnu #linux stuff to @tuxmachinesMay 30 09:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (better partitioning) #backtoworkMay 30 09:05
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MinceRcubexyz: not sure about that, rpm and whatever they put on top of it probably always suckedMay 30 19:34
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/pW5MGiL.jpg   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/pW5MGiL )May 30 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Crackadilla - ImgurMay 30 19:36
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/XHRsZlB.pngMay 30 20:03
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/XHRsZlB.pngMay 30 20:04
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MinceRdamn lagMay 30 20:04
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/m4ISyc8.jpgMay 30 20:16
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/RUveMXB.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/RUveMXB )May 30 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | 850 year old spa in JapanMay 30 21:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869656649731940353May 30 21:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #Tizen Devices, #Applications, and #GamesMay 30 21:49
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/gmX9f4fRNn (tuxmachines.org) #samsung #koreaMay 30 21:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #freesw #tizenOSMay 30 21:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Tizen Devices, Applications, and Games | Tux MachinesMay 30 21:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869656858855825408May 30 21:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers https://t.co/ogijKoUeLaMay 30 21:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #debianMay 30 21:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869656986790445056May 30 21:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Graphics News https://t.co/0H0DfFGIVM (tuxmachines.org)May 30 21:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #drm #graphics #mesa #vulkan #linux #freeswMay 30 21:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 30 21:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869657063265157120May 30 21:51
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/WKtKWiCpxn (tuxmachines.org)May 30 21:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #unix #howtoMay 30 21:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @UKLabour Unlike the Tory plan, which is...'May 30 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Graphics News | Tux MachinesMay 30 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 30 21:51
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @UKLabour Unlike the Tory plan,...'May 30 21:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Tizen Devices, #Applications, and #Games https://t.co/gmX9f4fRNn #samsung #korea...'May 30 21:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers https://t.co/ogijKoUeLa #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux #debian'May 30 21:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Graphics News https://t.co/0H0DfFGIVM #drm #graphics #mesa #vulkan #linux...'May 30 21:52
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/WKtKWiCpxn #gnu #linux #unix #howto'May 30 21:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/ExponetUSA/status/869659306182021122May 30 22:05
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Graphics News https://t.co/0H0DfFGIVM (tuxmachines.org)May 30 22:05
TweetTuxMachines @ExponetUSA     #drm #graphics #mesa #vulkan #linux #freeswMay 30 22:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869661053675753472May 30 22:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #Fedora and #RedHat https://t.co/FNaQNYhA9dMay 30 22:06
TweetTuxMachines                 (tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux #freeswMay 30 22:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Fedora and Red Hat | Tux MachinesMay 30 22:06
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/146Uguq.jpgMay 30 22:08
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Fedora and #RedHat https://t.co/FNaQNYhA9d #gnu #linux #freesw'May 30 22:09
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@aubergineFTW @vegantittie @RomPomPopperty @jeremycorbyn @UKLabour https://t.co/3kHleIFlSg'May 30 22:09
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @UKLabour https://t.co/zNpR4ixrSv'May 30 22:09
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MinceR>VII) Multi-monitors is a client problem. Same with multiple graphics cards (Optimus). Wayland only wants buffers filled with pixel and to be told where to display them. It doesn't care how they got there.May 30 22:18
MinceRi wonder how that's supposed to workMay 30 22:18
MinceR>X) As a security precaution...your screensaver and locker are apart of the compositor. This has an added benefit because your compositor (Eg: kwin) DOES understand your media keys, so even while your screen is locked you can still mute your media.May 30 22:19
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @UKLabour https://t.co/zNpR4ixrSv'May 30 22:25
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MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbltowcHPX0May 30 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fist It (Eat Da Poo Poo Remix ) - YouTubeMay 30 22:44
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @UKLabour https://t.co/PsVq5xWWc6'May 30 22:44
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@LatuffCartoons @JulianAssange https://t.co/azCM0lO8iq'May 30 22:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @LatuffCartoons @JulianAssange https://t.co/azCM0lO8iq'May 30 22:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869672661319770112May 30 22:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as #Cobol app moves toMay 30 22:52
TweetTuxMachines                 x86 Linux https://t.co/XeghevyWA4 (tuxmachines.org) #gnuMay 30 22:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #lzlabs #mainframeMay 30 22:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as #Cobol app...'May 30 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as Cobol app moves to x86 Linux | Tux MachinesMay 30 22:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/869672794002292737May 30 23:13
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Swisscom to cut mainframe spend as #Cobol app moves toMay 30 23:13
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    x86 Linux https://t.co/XeghevyWA4 (tuxmachines.org) #gnuMay 30 23:13
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #lzlabs #mainframeMay 30 23:13
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@d_seaman @JulianAssange @WBAI I have read thousands of...'May 30 23:24
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn https://t.co/jFgZ27QPvv'May 30 23:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Whatever you do, if you...'May 30 23:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup favourited '#Fedora and #RedHat https://t.co/FNaQNYhA9d #gnu #linux #freesw'May 30 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Fedora and Red Hat | Tux MachinesMay 30 23:36
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup favourited '#WineStaging 2.9 https://t.co/w4Yz3iCz4T #wine #freesw #gnu #linux #unix...'May 30 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Wine Staging 2.9 | Tux MachinesMay 30 23:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/linuxusergroup/status/869683919838363649May 30 23:51
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #WineStaging 2.9 https://t.co/w4Yz3iCz4TMay 30 23:52
TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup  (tuxmachines.org) #wine #freesw #gnu #linux #unixMay 30 23:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #reactosMay 30 23:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Watch what the Debian dev (not you)...'May 30 23:52
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange Watch what the Debian dev...'May 30 23:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869688879212658690May 31 00:57
TweetTuxMachines                 @schestowitz @JulianAssange "video recording withMay 31 00:57
TweetTuxMachines                 insubordination to the legal demands of the police, andMay 31 00:57
TweetTuxMachines                 mass disorder." https://t.co/4K9HunhG1v (twitter.com)May 31 00:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-advox.globalvoices.org | Russian Math Instructor Faces Criminal Charges for Online Posts He Says He Didn’t Write - Global Voices AdvocacyMay 31 00:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/869704264913887232May 31 00:58
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