IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: June 24th, 2018 – June 30th, 2018

MinceR	they've made it difficult to use sane filesystems on removable devices on android	Jun 24 00:05
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/gCinSzz	Jun 24 00:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1010685355572555776	Jun 24 01:45
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Links 23/6/2018: Kodi 18 Alpha 2, Peppermint 9, Wine 3.11	Jun 24 01:45
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/GQld7UifoO (techrights.org)	Jun 24 01:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1010685389131124736	Jun 24 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Today in Techrights	Jun 24 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/zQyQO76Cf3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 01:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010686227190775809	Jun 24 01:51
TweetTuxMachines	Updated #Debian 8: 8.11 released https://t.co/C2uth4hBCH	Jun 24 01:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010686681933123584	Jun 24 02:06
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers https://t.co/VSkuxdsRqF	Jun 24 02:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691300956495872	Jun 24 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Updated #Debian 8: 8.11 released https://t.co/C2uth4hBCH	Jun 24 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691316840390656	Jun 24 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Today in Techrights	Jun 24 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/zQyQO76Cf3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691332522770434	Jun 24 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Links 23/6/2018: Kodi 18 Alpha 2, Peppermint 9, Wine 3.11	Jun 24 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/GQld7UifoO (techrights.org)	Jun 24 02:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691373241192449	Jun 24 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Servers: Kubernetes, Oracle's #Cloudwashing and Embrace	Jun 24 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief of ARM	Jun 24 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KvcIixSMdN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Servers: Kubernetes, Oracle's Cloudwashing and Embrace of ARM \| Tux Machines		Jun 24 02:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691413430931456	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Wine 3.11 Released and Turok Remastered Roars on to Linux	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/6sp7871ZcJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691429918822400	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Ubuntu 18.04 Telemetry, Peppermint 9, Linux Mint 19	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/mWi6BL0uKs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691452186386432	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Chrome OS/Android Leftovers	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/m958uQCEsB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691477364723718	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by OSS Leftovers	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/ENJZfBIrt2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691501091885057	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Security: Apple, OpenVPN, Old Drupal Bugs and More	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/jztXOeSnkR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691516858294272	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #Intel Chaos Looming?	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/ObmEMpNApR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691532419158017	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Linux Networking Efforts Advances with New DPDK and	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief OpenSwitch Releases	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QfqpWMaZwy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Networking Efforts Advances with New DPDK and OpenSwitch Releases \| Tux Machines		Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691583665205248	Jun 24 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #Yaourt is Dead! Use These Alternatives for AUR in Arch	Jun 24 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief Linux	Jun 24 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oUetyJ06Kc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Yaourt is Dead! Use These Alternatives for AUR in Arch Linux \| Tux Machines		Jun 24 02:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691599947501568	Jun 24 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Kernel: Systemd, AMDGPU Driver and LKML archives	Jun 24 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/v9iktR6FyB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kernel: Systemd, AMDGPU Driver and LKML archives \| Tux Machines		Jun 24 02:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691615969640454	Jun 24 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Linux Foundation on Value of GNU/Linux Skills	Jun 24 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/DMHOixPHrC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691632646287360	Jun 24 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by GNU/Linux Servers as Buzzwords: "Cloud" and "IaaS"	Jun 24 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/oIu5jcBdeL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691648328749056	Jun 24 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Ubuntu: Snapcraft, Intel, AMD Patches, and Telemetry	Jun 24 02:11
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/NVZYsLIRtz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 02:11
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cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_VCS_%282019_console%29	Jun 24 03:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/1010691649347956736	Jun 24 03:54
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Most secure Linux distros in 2018	Jun 24 03:54
TweetTuxMachines	@owlbelief https://t.co/Km6ejrizrc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 03:54
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DaemonFC	The TSA is putting Windows 10 on everything by the end of the year.	Jun 24 05:11
DaemonFC	They're already having trouble with it. Some of their machines are still on XP and the two don't always cooperate. I hear that this causes the lines to stop moving when one of the machines does something it shouldn't have.	Jun 24 05:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/frodoT9/status/1010737618965975041	Jun 24 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by today's howtos	Jun 24 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	@frodoT9 https://t.co/fcegHK5zPx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 05:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010802432711057409	Jun 24 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Data Collection Report is Out! Read the	Jun 24 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	Interesting Facts https://t.co/6e5Bcdw95k	Jun 24 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Data Collection Report is Out! Read the Interesting Facts \| Tux Machines		Jun 24 09:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010802742716194816	Jun 24 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	#PeppermintOS Version 9 Released With New Features	Jun 24 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/BfEdWV15nB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 09:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Peppermint OS Version 9 Released With New Features \| Tux Machines		Jun 24 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010803163820101632	Jun 24 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers https://t.co/U8aBHJfn93	Jun 24 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010807155073613824	Jun 24 10:09
TweetTuxMachines	Today in Techrights	Jun 24 10:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1DYzUxAadE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 10:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010816093911486464	Jun 24 10:30
TweetTuxMachines	Finally: First stable release of #KBibTeX for KDE	Jun 24 10:30
TweetTuxMachines	Frameworks	Jun 24 10:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/7u0qEyDP5f (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 10:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Finally: First stable release of KBibTeX for KDE Frameworks 5 \| Tux Machines		Jun 24 10:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010817373941780480	Jun 24 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	A GTK+ 3 update	Jun 24 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1dc2hLRI82 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 10:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A GTK+ 3 update \| Tux Machines		Jun 24 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1010818670342361089	Jun 24 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Today in Techrights	Jun 24 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/1DYzUxAadE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 10:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/The_Code_Shirts/status/1010823419892457474	Jun 24 11:55
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Today in Techrights	Jun 24 11:55
TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts https://t.co/1DYzUxAadE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 11:55
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/nNTAEp5	Jun 24 13:16
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/lHbEbMy	Jun 24 13:43
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/fB5Cpi7	Jun 24 14:17
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/6w804pL	Jun 24 14:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @JoseMVAlmeida favourited '#Ubuntu Is Used All over the World, Reveal...'		Jun 24 15:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010915097043259392	Jun 24 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.18 RC2 Released From China	Jun 24 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/cGfNJJa7U8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 17:02
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DaemonFC	Apparently, Talking Heads "Brick" was one of the disc series that was shipped with the Windows/Mac DRM malware "MediaMax" and I just never knew it because I ripped the discs to FLAC using software on GNU/Linux. One of the bands whose CDs were infected with MediaMax offered instructions on how to remove it. This might have been a felony in the US, even though they were telling people how to remove/avoid it from their own	Jun 24 17:04
DaemonFC	CDs, because the DMCA doesn't make exceptions for anyone. (Holding down the "shift" key to disable Autorun would do it.). I imagine that there are still CDs like this floating around. Sony did something similar and a scandal followed. Is this still an issue?	Jun 24 17:04
DaemonFC	I remember various CDs using various "defeat" methods to try to prevent copying.	Jun 24 17:07
DaemonFC	Macrovision had a thing called Cactus Data Shield that would simulate bad sectors and stop some disc ripping programs because they thought that there were errors in the ripping process, or would cause the ripped files to glitch and be unbearable to listen to.	Jun 24 17:07
DaemonFC	I had a disc burning program on XP at one point that had options to defeat CDS and other software..	Jun 24 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010915921358131200	Jun 24 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	Programming: #Python Maths Tools and #Java SE	Jun 24 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6ZgTumQb6O (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 17:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Programming: Python Maths Tools and Java SE \| Tux Machines		Jun 24 17:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010921820306989056	Jun 24 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	KDE: Qt, Plasma, QML, Usability & Productivity	Jun 24 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fwKyoywUKl (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 17:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1010922852508487682	Jun 24 17:34
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos	Jun 24 17:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Jj8UObfiRQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 17:34
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DaemonFC	Apparently, Google is going to stop people from sideloading software on Android.	Jun 24 17:49
DaemonFC	If it's not signed by a developer key, it won't install, under the new system.	Jun 24 17:49
schestowitz	yeah	Jun 24 18:05
schestowitz	I saw that, for for Chrome	Jun 24 18:05
schestowitz	Android too now?	Jun 24 18:05
DaemonFC	According to an article I read this morning, yes. They were even pitching the DRM as a "good thing" "sometimes".	Jun 24 18:11
DaemonFC	These people who defend DRM remind me of the "open letter" from Bill Gates, which argued that nobody was ever going to make high quality software and give it away for free. Of course he was incredibly wrong. There is enough high quality Free and Open Source Software floating around that under proprietary development models, it would have cost tens of billions of dollars to write from scratch.	Jun 24 18:13
DaemonFC	I saw an email from Bill Gates ranting about how awful Windows usability was and how it was in decline.	Jun 24 18:16
DaemonFC	https://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2008/06/24/full-text-an-epic-bill-gates-e-mail-rant/	Jun 24 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.seattlepi.com \| Full text: An epic Bill Gates e-mail rant - The Microsoft Blog		Jun 24 18:16
DaemonFC	Old, but it doesn't seem to have ever improved. He might as well be writing about Windows 10.	Jun 24 18:16
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DaemonFC	Apparently, OpenBSD disabling hyperthreading wasn't extreme for them.	Jun 24 20:19
DaemonFC	Wikipedia says that they used to have a Bluetooth stack (ported from NetBSD) but removed it for security reasons.	Jun 24 20:19
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clickingsnotfun	New here. How does this work?	Jun 24 20:31
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clickingsnotfun1	Test	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	Am I still here/	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
clickingsnotfun1	I suppose I could talk to myself.	Jun 24 20:33
MinceR	you could also stop that before you get silenced for it	Jun 24 20:34
clickingsnotfun1	Fair enough. How does this work?	Jun 24 20:35
MinceR	clients send messages to other clients or channels and the ircd-s relay them to their destinations	Jun 24 20:35
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clickingsnotfun1	How do I get a list of groups?	Jun 24 20:36
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/ti7fVGx	Jun 24 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Large Python Trap Using Live Chicken - GIF on Imgur		Jun 24 20:37
MinceR	channels? normally it would be /list but that's more likely to just disconnect you for flooding	Jun 24 20:37
MinceR	chanserv has a way to search for channels and some websites also offer lists	Jun 24 20:37
clickingsnotfun1	Do I need to use python?	Jun 24 20:37
MinceR	no	Jun 24 20:37
clickingsnotfun1	What is with the python/	Jun 24 20:38
MinceR	it gets caught in a trap	Jun 24 20:40
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clickingsnotfun1	Is this a trap?	Jun 24 20:45
clickingsnotfun1	They python video is odd.	Jun 24 20:47
clickingsnotfun1	I do not understand it.	Jun 24 20:47
clickingsnotfun1	They python video is odd.	Jun 24 20:47
clickingsnotfun1	And now my messages do not seem to be showing?	Jun 24 20:47
clickingsnotfun1	Can you see what I am typing?	Jun 24 20:47
MinceR	i see several messages from you	Jun 24 20:51
MinceR	i have no way to tell if there were others	Jun 24 20:51
clickingsnotfun1	I do not see my own messages.	Jun 24 20:51
MinceR	that's unfortunate	Jun 24 20:52
clickingsnotfun1	They just showed up.	Jun 24 20:52
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VrDKX644Vs	Jun 24 21:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sticky Falls - YouTube		Jun 24 21:10
clickingsnotfun1	Don't get it.	Jun 24 21:30
MinceR	https://apina.biz/85091.jpg?mode=sfw	Jun 24 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/85091.jpg		Jun 24 21:32
DaemonFC	Windows 10 has so much spyware that simply turning some of it off had a significant impact on performance, according to Phoronix.	Jun 24 21:48
DaemonFC	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=windows10-w10priv-wsl&num=1	Jun 24 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Using W10Privacy To Boost Ubuntu WSL Performance On Windows 10 - Phoronix		Jun 24 21:49
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/w56BsHw	Jun 24 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Let’s make the front page uncomfortable - Album on Imgur		Jun 24 21:51
MinceR	Windows 10 doesn't _have_ spyware, it _is_ spyware	Jun 24 21:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/gilcarvr/status/1010985330328068096	Jun 24 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #PeppermintOS Version 9 Released With New Features	Jun 24 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	@gilcarvr https://t.co/BfEdWV15nB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 24 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Peppermint OS Version 9 Released With New Features \| Tux Machines		Jun 24 21:53
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DaemonFC	The CPU usage of Opus decoding used to be pretty bad, but has improved greatly. It's not that much worse than playing an MP3 at this point.	Jun 24 22:03
DaemonFC	Suitable for phones.	Jun 24 22:03
DaemonFC	Apple has done their best to make sure you can't use it outside of WebRTC, where it is mandatory.	Jun 24 22:04
MinceR	strange, youtube seems to be using opus often	Jun 24 22:06
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DaemonFC	MinceR: Youtube uses MPEG-4 AVC with AAC if you are on an iPhone.	Jun 24 22:12
DaemonFC	You only get the modern codecs if you are using non-Apple products.	Jun 24 22:12
MinceR	nice that they didn't capitulate to crApple	Jun 24 22:12
DaemonFC	Other browsers on the iPhone aren't real browsers. Apple doesn't allow other browser engines. You have to use the system Webkit.	Jun 24 22:12
DaemonFC	MinceR: You mean they refused to implement HEVC?	Jun 24 22:13
DaemonFC	Yeah, that was lucky.	Jun 24 22:13
DaemonFC	It means that sites that want to move to a next generation codec and work in the majority of browsers will have to use WebM.	Jun 24 22:13
DaemonFC	And offer Apple users a heavily degraded experience.	Jun 24 22:13
MinceR	i mean they refuse to restrict themselves to what crApple restricts their crippled devices to	Jun 24 22:19
DaemonFC	Google was going to remove AVC, but they decided not to.	Jun 24 22:43
DaemonFC	But they have decided not to implement any more MPEG codecs than they already had.	Jun 24 22:43
DaemonFC	So that's good.	Jun 24 22:43
DaemonFC	As long as Chrome and Firefox don't support HEVC, that's practically the entire web browser market. 80%+.	Jun 24 22:44
DaemonFC	John heard me listening to my Talking Heads Brick collection a few months ago and didn't know who the Talking Heads were.	Jun 24 22:50
DaemonFC	"It doesn't sound like they're from like 40 years ago."	Jun 24 22:51
DaemonFC	Well, New Wave was kind of a clean break. David Byrne hasn't changed a lot.	Jun 24 22:55
DaemonFC	I didn't know who he was until I found that sample track in Windows XP.	Jun 24 22:56
DaemonFC	So letting Microsoft bundle it with Windows Media Player obviously gained him some attention.	Jun 24 22:56
DaemonFC	I found an old press release about it.	Jun 24 22:56
DaemonFC	MinceR: I posted on Facebook pointing out Apple's "Mastered for iTunes" as a "marketing ploy" to sell damaged goods at inflated prices.	Jun 24 23:12
DaemonFC	Suggesting 7digital FLAC or HDTracks instead.	Jun 24 23:12
MinceR	to fans of damaged goods and inflated prices	Jun 24 23:12
MinceR	it's a good match	Jun 24 23:13
DaemonFC	Yep.	Jun 24 23:13
DaemonFC	MinceR: I've done my own listening from some SACD rips that I've made.	Jun 24 23:22
DaemonFC	Moving the bit depth from 16-bit to 24-bit seems to be the big win with "HDTracks".	Jun 24 23:23
DaemonFC	Increasing the sampling rate being 44.1 kHz doesn't seem to have a lot of effect other than bloating the file.	Jun 24 23:23
DaemonFC	In fact, due to the nature of the SACD, if you set the sampling rate too high, you end up with undesirable quantization noise.	Jun 24 23:24
DaemonFC	So I ended up settling on 24/48 because that way if I want Opus files later it doesn't have to be resampled again.	Jun 24 23:24
DaemonFC	With these sorts of files, adding the -e and -p switches to FLAC setting 8 actually saves a lot of space.	Jun 24 23:25
DaemonFC	Anyway, it's hard to imagine that I was listening to 128k mp3 as encoded by Blade 20 years ago.	Jun 24 23:27
DaemonFC	I could only have dreamed of this setup. :)	Jun 24 23:27
DaemonFC	I figured out that ffmpeg can handle the DSF formats.	Jun 24 23:28
DaemonFC	foobar2000's sacd input plug-in can only output 24-bit 44.1 kHz. ffmpeg can give you any sample rate you want.	Jun 24 23:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Peppermint OS Version 9 Released With New Features \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 00:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011022243344932864	Jun 25 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	Why Open Source Matters to Alibaba	Jun 25 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ngeXEGV7N4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 00:06
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why Open Source Matters to Alibaba \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011022636426678275	Jun 25 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers https://t.co/JMzcDse8nZ	Jun 25 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 00:13
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 00:13
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DaemonFC	Nice. The Roku Media Player supports 24/96 FLAC over DLNA.	Jun 25 00:35
MinceR	does DLNA require UPnP?	Jun 25 00:43
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DaemonFC	MinceR: Another name for it is UPnP-AV.	Jun 25 00:51
DaemonFC	DAMN Comcast to Hell.	Jun 25 00:51
DaemonFC	They just rebooted my modem in the middle of a download.	Jun 25 00:51
DaemonFC	I added this on Facebook:	Jun 25 01:03
*DaemonFC sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/PjqXQGWBrPZMMkzUGwGIgDaZ >		Jun 25 01:03
DaemonFC	Maybe we need a "mastered for a real smartphone" program to promote the use of Opus where small files are needed.	Jun 25 01:05
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schestowitz	ah, matrix	Jun 25 01:25
schestowitz	never used it	Jun 25 01:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011024369974423555	Jun 25 01:43
TweetTuxMachines	Will Microsoft’s Embrace Smother GitHub?	Jun 25 01:43
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SZ39t0D4H1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Will Microsoft’s Embrace Smother GitHub? \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 01:43
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DaemonFC	Matrix is interesting. A lot of the room moderators are terrible though.	Jun 25 03:16
DaemonFC	I sat there and got called everything in the book by some Saudi refugee that lives in Michigan and then when I made a joke about her probably being jealous of me because they committed FGM on her before she left, I get thrown out. Oh well.	Jun 25 03:17
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DaemonFC	https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/george-takei-family-separation-op-ed/index.html	Jun 25 03:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com \| George Takei: At least during my internment, I was not taken from my parents - CNNPolitics		Jun 25 03:37
schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks for the link	Jun 25 03:48
schestowitz	I missed this one	Jun 25 03:48
schestowitz	just passed it around	Jun 25 03:48
DaemonFC	yep :)	Jun 25 04:47
MinceR	25 015138 < DaemonFC> MinceR: Another name for it is UPnP-AV.	Jun 25 06:35
MinceR	nasty	Jun 25 06:35
MinceR	so, Matrix is full of crybullies?	Jun 25 06:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011113219136671747	Jun 25 06:48
TweetTuxMachines	Today in Techrights	Jun 25 06:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/y0PkCkJAoH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 06:48
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 06:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 06:48
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/y0PkCkJAoH...'		Jun 25 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011124501457891328	Jun 25 06:54
TweetTuxMachines	Perl 5.28.0 released	Jun 25 06:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jl5E5051ke (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 06:54
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Perl 5.28.0 released \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 06:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011125363169165312	Jun 25 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	It Turns Out #RISCV Hardware So Far Isn't Entirely	Jun 25 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	Open-Source	Jun 25 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IijkwrX61o (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| It Turns Out RISC-V Hardware So Far Isn't Entirely Open-Source \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 06:56
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/ssWisMO	Jun 25 07:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The real heroes - Album on Imgur		Jun 25 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Septor_Linux/status/1011126027219800064	Jun 25 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by today's howtos	Jun 25 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	@Septor_Linux https://t.co/Jj8UObfiRQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 07:23
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011133271881797632	Jun 25 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	Security: Apple Lockdown, More Logo/Brands for Bugs,	Jun 25 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	Other News	Jun 25 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/J5hxkb0i2z (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 07:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security: Apple Lockdown, More Logo/Brands for Bugs, Other News \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 07:31
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 07:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011134475508559872	Jun 25 07:32
TweetTuxMachines	#RedHat Financial News	Jun 25 07:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zJamthlpTm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 07:32
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat Financial News \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 07:32
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/5dNqL1K	Jun 25 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-High Five! - Album on Imgur		Jun 25 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011134968536453120	Jun 25 08:08
TweetTuxMachines	Programming/Development: Math Libraries for Python,	Jun 25 08:08
TweetTuxMachines	Compiler Fuzzing With Prog-Fuzz, Intel MK and Flutter	Jun 25 08:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4ys5kWokLy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Programming/Development: Math Libraries for Python, Compiler Fuzzing With Prog-Fuzz, Intel MKL and Flutter \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 08:08
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DaemonFC	MinceR: DLNA is not ideal, but it is lossless, unlike Bluetooth.	Jun 25 09:57
DaemonFC	And yes, Matrix has a lot of terrible people on it.	Jun 25 09:58
*TweetTuxMachines @RedHatDACH favourited '#RedHat Financial News https://t.co/zJamthlpTm...'		Jun 25 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011197991166889985	Jun 25 11:47
TweetTuxMachines	Games: Warhammer, Steam, OpenSAGE and Wine	Jun 25 11:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ZCCHRFBxdF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 11:47
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Games: Warhammer, Steam, OpenSAGE and Wine \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 11:47
MinceR	DaemonFC: UPnP is designed to make it easy for malware to defeat NAT	Jun 25 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011204069858439169	Jun 25 12:18
TweetTuxMachines	Events: DebCamp, openSUSE Conference, OSSummit Japan 2018	Jun 25 12:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/aL6wBhxphS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 12:18
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Events: DebCamp, openSUSE Conference, OSSummit Japan 2018 \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 12:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011207007012032512	Jun 25 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	The @LinuxFoundation 's TODO and New Chinese Ties	Jun 25 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pkeUTDpOla (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 12:49
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation's TODO and New Chinese Ties \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 12:49
schestowitz	> I seem to have gotten burned by systemd this weekend. A demo system	Jun 25 12:55
schestowitz	> failed to boot during the demo and the error messages suggest systemd as	Jun 25 12:55
schestowitz	> the sole culprit. As I look closer it may have also foiled a turnkey	Jun 25 12:55
schestowitz	> system I loaned out two months ago as well. I could find nothing wrong	Jun 25 12:55
schestowitz	> with that system at the time once I got it home again but it seems	Jun 25 12:55
schestowitz	> nonetheless to have not booted for the person I loaned it to. I hope	Jun 25 12:55
schestowitz	> Devuan is soon available for the Raspberry Pi series so that future	Jun 25 12:55
schestowitz	> disasters can be avoided.	Jun 25 12:55
schestowitz	I will paste this experience in our IRC channel for others to know about...	Jun 25 12:55
MinceR	it also failed to start the display manager on an ubuntu downgrade from 14.04 to 16.04	Jun 25 12:56
schestowitz	I hate systemd	Jun 25 12:56
schestowitz	on my desktop	Jun 25 12:56
schestowitz	rianne also	Jun 25 12:56
schestowitz	as soon as it became part of the system performance became crap	Jun 25 12:56
schestowitz	not sure why	Jun 25 12:56
schestowitz	nothing but trouble	Jun 25 12:56
schestowitz	slow boot etc.	Jun 25 12:57
schestowitz	utter crap.. for desktops at least	Jun 25 12:57
schestowitz	I don't support Red Hat cares about those anyway	Jun 25 12:57
schestowitz	it makes all its money from servers etc.	Jun 25 12:57
MinceR	s/servers etc/microsoft donations/	Jun 25 12:58
MinceR	FTFY	Jun 25 12:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011214730474729472	Jun 25 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical/Ubuntu Watching You https://t.co/YNpDKs0lr5	Jun 25 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	(error)	Jun 25 13:00
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical/Ubuntu Watching You \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011217432168542208	Jun 25 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	#Kernel Space: #Linux and #Systemd	Jun 25 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/GI9v8B2Mco (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 13:02
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kernel Space: Linux and Systemd \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011217986353496064	Jun 25 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	#OpenBSD chief #deRaadt says no easy fix for new Intel	Jun 25 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	CPU bug https://t.co/VFy32Qqp3J (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenBSD chief de Raadt says no easy fix for new Intel CPU bug \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 13:04
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 13:04
*TweetTuxMachines @Livestradamus retweeted @tuxmachines: '#OpenBSD chief #deRaadt says no easy fix for...'		Jun 25 13:04
*TweetTuxMachines @Livestradamus favourited '#OpenBSD chief #deRaadt says no easy fix for...'		Jun 25 13:04
*TweetTuxMachines @Septor_Linux retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Kernel Space: #Linux and #Systemd https://t.co/GI9v8B2Mco'		Jun 25 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011219023420379136	Jun 25 13:08
TweetTuxMachines	Free Software: Kiwi #TCMS 4.2, #PeerTube in the News	Jun 25 13:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/lZhPw0qb8f (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 13:09
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 13:09
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schestowitz	Sure. Also keep in mind that since day one I have been skeptical of	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	systemd for its technical shortcomings and full-on against it once they	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	ramped up their attacks on individuals and communities. They spread by	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	nearly exclusive use of two logical fallacies, argumentum ad hominem and	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	argumentum ad novitatem, often used in combination. Later, after Debian	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	fell, they occasionally added argumentum ad numeram because of all the	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	distros using Debian as a base, skipping the fact that systemd was	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	chosen by a single individual [1] and that it was never in the top three	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	choices. One can hope that they will wake up and shift to Devuan while	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	it is still a drop-in replacement and they don't waste resources	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	following Debian into eventual divergence.	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	systemd was never an init system, so they just flat out lied about that.	Jun 25 14:42
schestowitz	Also, it was presented in the form of a false dilemma to either stay	Jun 25 14:43
schestowitz	with sysvinit for ever more with no chance of change or else move	Jun 25 14:43
schestowitz	immediately and completely to systemd, ignoring both that it is not an	Jun 25 14:43
schestowitz	init system and that there were many alternatives[2].	Jun 25 14:43
schestowitz	[1]http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371	Jun 25 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.debian.net \| Debian User Forums • View topic - Combatting revisionist history		Jun 25 14:43
schestowitz	[2]https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/09/05/0/	Jun 25 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net \| A history of modern init systems (1992-2015)		Jun 25 14:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011258448842018816	Jun 25 15:51
TweetTuxMachines	Games and Wine (Staging) Leftovers	Jun 25 15:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011273097985642496	Jun 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	Programming: Go, Bugs and LLVM	Jun 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/taNoX758jX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines	#Programming	Jun 25 16:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011274386320617472	Jun 25 16:47
TweetTuxMachines	8 reasons to use the #Xfce Linux desktop environment	Jun 25 16:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/aTqloHfUrX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 16:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011274449738399744	Jun 25 16:57
TweetTuxMachines	#KaOS 2018.06	Jun 25 16:57
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zV9tyw7BES (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 16:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/jesusguevarauto/status/1011277302242607104	Jun 25 17:05
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by 8 reasons to use the #Xfce Linux desktop environment	Jun 25 17:05
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto https://t.co/aTqloHfUrX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 17:05
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TweetTuxMachines	Review: #BunsenLabs Helium	Jun 25 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HMFO6NxjNK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 17:59
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/IyBGAho	Jun 25 19:26
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/5N4PXAp	Jun 25 19:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011317237767200768	Jun 25 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	#GNOME Plans to Move App Menus Back Inside App Windows	Jun 25 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/xawcEZprMH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 19:56
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MinceR	lol	Jun 25 19:59
XRevan86	What a twist.	Jun 25 20:00
MinceR	> GNOME has no idea what they're doing, but they're changing stuff around blindly for the sake of changing it	Jun 25 20:03
MinceR	wow, in the article they've managed to discover the obvious issues with global menu bars	Jun 25 20:06
MinceR	which people who have a clue about UI could have told them before they jumped on that particular bandwagon	Jun 25 20:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011322177277366272	Jun 25 20:20
TweetTuxMachines	#SUSE Linux Enterprise turns 15: Look, Ma! A common code	Jun 25 20:20
TweetTuxMachines	base https://t.co/aULmPmcbpg (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 20:20
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/8KO6geT	Jun 25 20:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011328228953378817	Jun 25 21:16
TweetTuxMachines	#Microsoft FUD and #Openwashing https://t.co/JL7BuKKEFJ	Jun 25 21:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 21:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011342245671395328	Jun 25 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	Security Leftovers	Jun 25 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/75U4QPfeuC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 21:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011342701495758849	Jun 25 21:25
TweetTuxMachines	Programming Languages	Jun 25 21:25
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0UX2DpQrdA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 21:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011344574227341313	Jun 25 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	OSS Leftovers	Jun 25 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/h4KSN4nEGx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 21:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011345826583601160	Jun 25 21:34
TweetTuxMachines	Article 13 – An Existential Threat to #FreeSoftware	Jun 25 21:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HFmmg0T0oc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 21:34
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 21:34
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/xx7be4Y	Jun 25 21:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011346765277220866	Jun 25 21:36
TweetTuxMachines	Slackware in Blockchains and Red Hat Financial News	Jun 25 21:36
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5PIbHMsnK5 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 21:36
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Slackware in Blockchains and Red Hat Financial News \| Tux Machines		Jun 25 21:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011347401255325696	Jun 25 21:39
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos	Jun 25 21:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5v59hw10IM (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 21:39
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 25 21:39
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XRevan86	MinceR: Looks like fun.	Jun 25 21:50
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/12053848	Jun 25 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Wow. This sue is interesting. #twitter now prevents me from posting links to trumphotels.org "This request looks like it might be automated. To protect our users from spam and other malicious activity, we can't complete this action right now."		Jun 25 21:51
MinceR	indeed	Jun 25 21:51
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/kzCk56M	Jun 25 22:05
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XRevan86	MinceR: Not sure if humourous or messed up…	Jun 25 22:10
XRevan86	Carl, that kills people!	Jun 25 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011347983546363905	Jun 25 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	today's leftovers	Jun 25 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YetrB5hD8J (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 25 22:20
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clickingsnotfun	What exactly is techrights?	Jun 25 22:37
clickingsnotfun	Anyone active here?	Jun 25 22:39
clickingsnotfun	I am going to take that as a no. :)	Jun 25 22:40
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Many people.	Jun 25 22:40
clickingsnotfun	Ah, so what is techrights?	Jun 25 22:40
clickingsnotfun	What rights is it backing... and for what tech? Or is it not even that?	Jun 25 22:41
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Rights of people around software/hardware pretty much.	Jun 25 22:41
clickingsnotfun	Any specific rights?	Jun 25 22:41
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: You know, software patents, DRM	Jun 25 22:41
clickingsnotfun	Ah, OK.	Jun 25 22:42
XRevan86	vendor lock-in, etc.	Jun 25 22:42
clickingsnotfun	Rights of people with the patents or rights of people to bypass them?	Jun 25 22:42
clickingsnotfun	Not judging either way.	Jun 25 22:42
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: The invalidity of the concept of software patents.	Jun 25 22:42
clickingsnotfun	Never really thought about that.	Jun 25 22:43
clickingsnotfun	Are you saying that people should have access to the code of all programs and be able to use the code as they wish? Pretty much making all code be open source?	Jun 25 22:43
MinceR	no, open source is not about patents, it's about copyright	Jun 25 22:44
clickingsnotfun	OK, so for you copyright is OK but not patents? Again, not judging either way just seeing if I understand.	Jun 25 22:45
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Software freedom is important too. Rights of people to have control over their own computers too :).	Jun 25 22:45
XRevan86	"Copyright owners" think they're obligated to make your own computers control what you're doing by employing DRM.	Jun 25 22:48
MinceR	no, for me copyright is not OK either, but i can't speak for the other people here	Jun 25 22:48
clickingsnotfun	Not sure I understand. If I make a program and share it with you but not the code you have the choice to use it or not, no?	Jun 25 22:48
clickingsnotfun	Not a programmer so maybe I am missing something.	Jun 25 22:48
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: In the modern world unfortunately that's no longer how that works.	Jun 25 22:49
XRevan86	Our whole society has grown dependent on certain software solutions.	Jun 25 22:49
MinceR	in as much as they can be called "solutions"	Jun 25 22:50
clickingsnotfun	I think it depends on the problem. If you want to use a web browser you can use Linux and an open source browser. You have access to the code. Same with Open Office or whatever the newer one is called (Free Office?)	Jun 25 22:51
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: LibreOffice	Jun 25 22:52
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: That's what I encourage to do anyway. But the problem persists that the society can expect compatibility with proprietary stuff.	Jun 25 22:53
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: And on a broader level there's plain old lobbying	Jun 25 22:54
XRevan86	which many states consider a form of corruption	Jun 25 22:55
clickingsnotfun	I use stuff that is not open source but it is by choice. My employer does the same and if I want to keep my job I use the software they say. I also use a lot of other tools they say to.	Jun 25 22:56
clickingsnotfun	But just trying to understand. I do not really know enough about this to know one way or the other.	Jun 25 22:57
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Did you know Russian Federal Tax Service downright expects reports to be in the 1С format?	Jun 25 22:59
clickingsnotfun	No, but I also do not know what a 1C format is. :)	Jun 25 22:59
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: That's the kind of choice your employer likely has itself too.	Jun 25 22:59
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Do you know about SAP?	Jun 25 23:02
clickingsnotfun	No	Jun 25 23:03
XRevan86	Okay, never mind then %).	Jun 25 23:03
clickingsnotfun	OK/	Jun 25 23:04
clickingsnotfun	Later	Jun 25 23:04
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XRevan86	Shoot, I was gonna reference http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_influence_in_the_United_States_government …	Jun 25 23:05
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XRevan86	Did I mention my introduction to the concept of software freedom was through XMPP? :)	Jun 25 23:27
DaemonFC	This non petrol lighter fluid is useless.	Jun 25 23:44
DaemonFC	Easier to start my grill with a piece of the bag...again. sigh.	Jun 25 23:45
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cubexyz	bah	Jun 26 00:28
cubexyz	I'll tell you the real truth:	Jun 26 00:28
cubexyz	without source code you're nowhere	Jun 26 00:28
cubexyz	you can'	Jun 26 00:28
XRevan86	cubexyz: clickingsnotfun left…	Jun 26 00:28
cubexyz	you can't made bug fixes, you can't make enhancements...	Jun 26 00:29
cubexyz	XRevan86, yeah I know, I'm just ranting	Jun 26 00:29
cubexyz	the situation with Loki Games still bothers me	Jun 26 00:30
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DaemonFC	I think those Loki installers still work, but the games are quite old and would have other issues by now.	Jun 26 03:08
DaemonFC	Morrowind looks wrong in OpenMW on UHD displays because nobody had them in 2001.	Jun 26 03:08
DaemonFC	https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/06/amazon-flex-workers/563444/	Jun 26 03:42
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DaemonFC	Amazon using more contractors to break unions and pay people dirt and not give them any benefits.	Jun 26 03:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011464618995220481	Jun 26 05:22
TweetTuxMachines	Links 25/6/2018: Perl 5.28.0, Linux 4.18 RC2, KBibTeX for	Jun 26 05:22
TweetTuxMachines	KDE Frameworks 5 https://t.co/YUctmV8MDq (techrights.org)	Jun 26 05:22
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 26 05:22
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 25/6/2018: Perl 5.28.0, Linux 4.18 RC2, KBibTeX...'		Jun 26 05:25
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clickingsnotfun	What does "Linux is free" mean to you?	Jun 26 05:30
schestowitz	trick question?	Jun 26 05:59
clickingsnotfun	I do not think so.	Jun 26 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/The_Code_Shirts/status/1011465490848313344	Jun 26 06:22
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Links 25/6/2018: Perl 5.28.0, Linux 4.18 RC2, KBibTeX for	Jun 26 06:22
TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts KDE Frameworks 5 https://t.co/YUctmV8MDq (techrights.org)	Jun 26 06:22
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XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: We are all able to use Linux, modify it any way we like, share that.	Jun 26 06:50
XRevan86	Kion signifas liberprogramaro por vi? Ke tio estas libera? :)	Jun 26 06:51
MinceR	it means "Linux is free software", see https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html	Jun 26 07:01
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MinceR	(in short, it means "Linux is software that supports the freedoms of its users")	Jun 26 07:01
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/ZXNKvRj.gifv	Jun 26 07:03
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MinceR	https://i.redd.it/gongy0tuadj01.jpg	Jun 26 07:17
XRevan86	MinceR: Mr. half-orc assumes too much.	Jun 26 07:19
XRevan86	and I'll assume he's half-orc half-gnome.	Jun 26 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Septor_Linux/status/1011493598070702081	Jun 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Review: #BunsenLabs Helium	Jun 26 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	@Septor_Linux https://t.co/HMFO6NxjNK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 07:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @SerbianLinuks retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Review: #BunsenLabs Helium https://t.co/HMFO6NxjNK...'		Jun 26 07:26
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/WzQusfE.gif	Jun 26 07:30
MinceR	https://wozniak.ca/blog/2018/06/25/Massacring-C-Pointers/index.html	Jun 26 07:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wozniak.ca \| Massacring C Pointers		Jun 26 07:55
XRevan86	MinceR: That is horrific indeed.	Jun 26 08:01
XRevan86	MinceR: Also that style of functions is archaic even in C89	Jun 26 08:04
MinceR	:)	Jun 26 08:05
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XRevan86	> One thing to keep in mind (both for the programs and the notes) is that C89/C90 was new at the time and that the code was written on (and for) MS-DOS systems of the late 1980s/early 1990s. Things were a bit different then.	Jun 26 08:06
XRevan86	Well, I guess…	Jun 26 08:06
schestowitz	[07:01] <MinceR> it means "Linux is free software", see https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html	Jun 26 08:08
schestowitz	yeah	Jun 26 08:09
schestowitz	I think the question looked bait-ish	Jun 26 08:09
TweetTuxMachines	@bunsenlabsbot https://twitter.com/bunsenlabsbot/status/1011505857861857280	Jun 26 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	Septor Linux @Septor_Linux: RT @tuxmachines: Review:	Jun 26 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	#BunsenLabs Helium https://t.co/2OpdAr2Na8	Jun 26 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	(tuxmachines.org) https://t.co/HXkoVgK8ej (twitter.com)	Jun 26 08:15
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/JpAlD4b	Jun 26 08:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011508048874082306	Jun 26 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	Today in Techrights https://t.co/crsNEyYPY7	Jun 26 08:23
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/mYnR9pN	Jun 26 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Interlaken is absolutely stunning - Album on Imgur		Jun 26 08:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/The_Code_Shirts/status/1011512472270860288	Jun 26 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Today in Techrights https://t.co/crsNEyYPY7	Jun 26 09:45
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TweetTuxMachines	#Shotwell 0.29.3 Features Face Recognition Feature	Jun 26 11:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@HCIdiver https://twitter.com/HCIdiver/status/1011577357000495105	Jun 26 13:38
TweetTuxMachines	The latest The Software-defined infrastructure Daily!	Jun 26 13:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YyfcaHddom (paper.li) Thanks to	Jun 26 13:38
TweetTuxMachines	@CloudCowMedia @tuxmachines #linux #digitaltransformation	Jun 26 13:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011620783058227200	Jun 26 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	#Linux Releases: 4.17.3, 4.16.18, 4.14.42, and 4.9.110	Jun 26 15:45
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TweetTuxMachines	Security: Updates, Hyperthreading, Oracle	Jun 26 15:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011622276440215552	Jun 26 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	RK3399 SBC offers dual Type-C with DP and optional PoE	Jun 26 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/90LcxeBSMP (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux	Jun 26 16:15
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TweetTuxMachines	#android #librecomputer	Jun 26 16:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/xpennacchio/status/1011628902261903360	Jun 26 16:36
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TweetTuxMachines	#Microsoft Mischief and GitLab's Escape From Microsoft	Jun 26 17:09
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TweetTuxMachines	#Sailfish for Gemini Community Edition available now	Jun 26 17:36
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TweetTuxMachines	Mozilla: Release of #Firefox 61, Retained Display Lists,	Jun 26 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	and a New Security Tool	Jun 26 17:41
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TweetTuxMachines	KDE and Qt Leftovers	Jun 26 17:44
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clickingsnotfun	Hello	Jun 26 18:19
clickingsnotfun	Is this room mostly bots?	Jun 26 18:20
clickingsnotfun	Hello?	Jun 26 18:20
clickingsnotfun	Guess nobody is here now	Jun 26 18:21
MinceR	no, it is not	Jun 26 18:23
MinceR	most of the _traffic_ is bots :>	Jun 26 18:23
schestowitz	as usual	Jun 26 18:24
schestowitz	aindilis: why?	Jun 26 18:24
clickingsnotfun	Seems odd.	Jun 26 18:26
clickingsnotfun	I do not get irc	Jun 26 18:27
clickingsnotfun	Just learning	Jun 26 18:27
clickingsnotfun	Sorry to bug y'all	Jun 26 18:28
clickingsnotfun	Trying to figure this stuff out	Jun 26 18:29
clickingsnotfun	Seems quiet	Jun 26 18:29
clickingsnotfun	Why so many bots in here?	Jun 26 18:30
clickingsnotfun	?	Jun 26 18:30
schestowitz	we say things when there's something important	Jun 26 18:31
schestowitz	like github's suicide	Jun 26 18:31
clickingsnotfun	But why the bots?	Jun 26 18:31
clickingsnotfun	It is odd	Jun 26 18:32
clickingsnotfun	No reason?	Jun 26 18:36
clickingsnotfun	What is github?	Jun 26 18:36
MinceR	microsoft's platform for attempting to gain control over people's free software projects	Jun 26 18:37
clickingsnotfun	A place to share code?	Jun 26 18:37
MinceR	and for spreading crybully bullshit	Jun 26 18:37
MinceR	github is proprietary, there was never any good reason to use it, ever	Jun 26 18:38
clickingsnotfun	How can they control free projects? Isn’t there a license to protect them?	Jun 26 18:38
MinceR	they have a massive toolbox of nasty tricks	Jun 26 18:38
MinceR	and many people forget to specify license explicitly	Jun 26 18:38
MinceR	microsoft has an army of lawyers and many corrupt politicians in their pocket	Jun 26 18:39
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clickingsnotfun	What is the default license on github?	Jun 26 18:41
clickingsnotfun	Or is there a default?	Jun 26 18:41
MinceR	¯\_(ツ)_/¯	Jun 26 18:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011665278571249665	Jun 26 18:43
TweetTuxMachines	Checking out the #notebookbar and other improvements in	Jun 26 18:43
TweetTuxMachines	#LibreOffice 6.0	Jun 26 18:43
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1m46o590Lk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 18:43
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schestowitz	[18:38] <clickingsnotfun> How can they control free projects? Isn’t there a license to protect them?	Jun 26 18:52
schestowitz	Microsoft will direct them to other licenses	Jun 26 18:52
schestowitz	like MIT, BSD...	Jun 26 18:52
schestowitz	MSFT employees attacked copyleft just days after the news	Jun 26 18:53
MinceR	oh, that's why they did it, of course	Jun 26 18:53
schestowitz	Don't worry, they'll figure out ways to connect it to azure, too	Jun 26 18:53
schestowitz	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/112706	Jun 26 18:53
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schestowitz	Then there's the "I'm tolerant" crown	Jun 26 18:54
schestowitz	as if MSFT employment is a race	Jun 26 18:54
schestowitz	so they open the gates	Jun 26 18:54
schestowitz	ignoring the carcasses of Novell, Yahoo, Nokia at the sidelines	Jun 26 18:54
clickingsnotfun	Why not do your own thing and let them do their own?	Jun 26 18:55
MinceR	why can't they do their own thing and let us do our own?	Jun 26 18:56
clickingsnotfun	Seems like there is a lot of fighting in the tech community	Jun 26 18:56
MinceR	yes there is	Jun 26 18:56
MinceR	and a big reason of it is microsoft	Jun 26 18:56
MinceR	ever since they existed they waged a continuous war on everything else in the industry	Jun 26 18:57
MinceR	for example, if microsoft is willing to others live, why did they use every trick in the book to force PCs onto UEFI with Restricted Boot?	Jun 26 18:57
MinceR	if microsoft "loves" "linux", why do they continue to sue, threaten and extort android device manufacturers?	Jun 26 18:57
clickingsnotfun	How so?	Jun 26 19:02
clickingsnotfun	I do not think they love or hate Linux, they see it as a technology to use in some places and not in others.	Jun 26 19:03
clickingsnotfun	And to compete with, of course.	Jun 26 19:03
clickingsnotfun	Don't all the tech companies compete?	Jun 26 19:04
MinceR	some of them compete by trying to make the best products and/or services they can	Jun 26 19:04
MinceR	others "compete" by trying to make it impossible for others to access the markets, to function, to compete	Jun 26 19:05
MinceR	microsoft is in the second group	Jun 26 19:05
MinceR	always was	Jun 26 19:05
clickingsnotfun	Their products are not perfect but they do make some good stuff	Jun 26 19:05
MinceR	what good stuff, where?	Jun 26 19:06
clickingsnotfun	MS Office is pretty good.	Jun 26 19:06
MinceR	no, it is not	Jun 26 19:06
MinceR	especially not since it has ribbon and ooxml	Jun 26 19:06
clickingsnotfun	It works for most people.	Jun 26 19:06
MinceR	it has gotten so incredibly slow they added a second splash screen just for loading documents into an already running instance of office	Jun 26 19:06
clickingsnotfun	You do not have to like it but many people do.	Jun 26 19:07
MinceR	that's great, let "many people" use it and stop trying to force it on me	Jun 26 19:07
MinceR	if microsoft products were so great, why can't microsoft let them compete on their own merits?	Jun 26 19:07
clickingsnotfun	I am not saying you have to use it.	Jun 26 19:08
MinceR	if you want to know how microsoft operates, read these >> http://techrights.org/2007/12/01/antitrust-letters-doj/ http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/ http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Comes_vs_Microsoft	Jun 26 19:08
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MinceR	you're not saying it	Jun 26 19:08
MinceR	microsoft and their allies and the politicians they've corrupted are	Jun 26 19:08
MinceR	the PC OEMs that won't sell me a PC without microsoft's crapware preinstalled and paid by me are	Jun 26 19:09
clickingsnotfun	I use it at work but not home. It is a choice my employer and I make.	Jun 26 19:09
clickingsnotfun	You can get a PC without Windows.	Jun 26 19:09
clickingsnotfun	Companies can sell those if they want.	Jun 26 19:09
MinceR	yes, sometimes a few extreme low-spec PC-s are available, maybe	Jun 26 19:09
MinceR	right	Jun 26 19:09
MinceR	and companies can accept that microsoft will make windows cost a lot more if they offer other options	Jun 26 19:10
clickingsnotfun	Sounds like you are angry about that but they can sell what they want.	Jun 26 19:10
MinceR	and the authorities can demand that you communicate with them using microsoft's proprietary formats	Jun 26 19:10
clickingsnotfun	https://linux.dell.com/	Jun 26 19:10
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MinceR	sounds like you don't know what you're talking about	Jun 26 19:10
MinceR	but it's fine, read the documents i've linked above	Jun 26 19:10
clickingsnotfun	Why is stopping me from buying a Linux system from Dell? Or other companies. There is one called System 86 or something like that. Hold on.	Jun 26 19:11
clickingsnotfun	76 https://system76.com/	Jun 26 19:11
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MinceR	things like local dell vendors not selling them in your country	Jun 26 19:11
MinceR	or that you need to know a particular url to even get to that part of dell's site	Jun 26 19:11
MinceR	system76 probably doesn't even ship to europe	Jun 26 19:11
clickingsnotfun	I just did a Google search and found the Dell systems with Linux?	Jun 26 19:12
clickingsnotfun	MS can not stop that. How could they?	Jun 26 19:12
MinceR	why does dHell not link to it from the rest of their site?	Jun 26 19:12
MinceR	they can't stop it yet, but they're working on it, and you're helping them	Jun 26 19:12
clickingsnotfun	So you live in Europe and are mad Dell has not made it easier there? Call Dell and complain?	Jun 26 19:12
MinceR	back when i bought an EeePC, the versions that ship with GNU/Linux were quite well known, yet none of them were available for sale in hungary, only windows ones	Jun 26 19:12
MinceR	calling dell is pointless, their customer service is atrocious	Jun 26 19:13
clickingsnotfun	They likely do not sell many such systems. And most people would be confused by them. You only go there if you want such a system I would think, and Linux users likely know what to look for.	Jun 26 19:13
MinceR	they never offered many models without windows to begin with	Jun 26 19:13
clickingsnotfun	But Dell is not MS. Sounds like you are mad at Dell for not making it eaiser to buy such a system.	Jun 26 19:13
MinceR	one would think it's easy to ship a laptop without an OS preinstalled	Jun 26 19:13
clickingsnotfun	Will talk later.	Jun 26 19:14
MinceR	you brought up dell, remember?	Jun 26 19:14
MinceR	chances are it's still visible on your screen	Jun 26 19:14
clickingsnotfun	Dell is visible on the sceeen when I boot.	Jun 26 19:17
clickingsnotfun	Running Mint on it through	Jun 26 19:17
clickingsnotfun	I do not see how MS stopped me. And I could have bought a system without Windows.	Jun 26 19:18
clickingsnotfun	See what I mean?	Jun 26 19:19
clickingsnotfun	If I wanted to buy a System 76 machine what would MS do to force me to use anything of theirs?	Jun 26 19:22
clickingsnotfun	Am I taking to a bot?	Jun 26 19:24
clickingsnotfun	Still there?	Jun 26 19:25
clickingsnotfun	OK	Jun 26 19:26
clickingsnotfun	Need to run. Will be back later today.	Jun 26 19:29
clickingsnotfun	Odd, seems even the bots are turned off	Jun 26 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011665976394477570	Jun 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	Programming: #Python Object-Oriented Programming (OOP)	Jun 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	and Mastering C Pointers	Jun 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5SvRxxNwsh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	#Programming	Jun 26 19:38
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schestowitz	I'm here	Jun 26 19:40
clickingsnotfun	If I wanted to buy a System 76 machine what would MS do to force me to use anything of theirs?	Jun 26 19:44
clickingsnotfun	Not saying you guys are wrong I just do not understand.	Jun 26 19:44
schestowitz	it comes with their os	Jun 26 19:44
schestowitz	pop_os!	Jun 26 19:44
schestowitz	it is ubuntu-nased	Jun 26 19:45
schestowitz	based	Jun 26 19:45
schestowitz	so nothing Microsoft in such a laptop	Jun 26 19:45
clickingsnotfun	You can get hardware without Windows.	Jun 26 19:46
XRevan86	I wonder if they even can sell Windows laptops alongside if they wanted to whilst keeping GNU/Linux the primary focus…	Jun 26 19:46
schestowitz	Yes sir, yes sir... https://i.pinimg.com/originals/58/8b/c9/588bc92f353d7d4d1f77035f0606cf18.gif	Jun 26 19:47
XRevan86	schestowitz: A classical Pavlov's dog?	Jun 26 19:48
clickingsnotfun	They sell Linux systems now	Jun 26 19:49
XRevan86	I mean, I've read some stuff about policies of Microsoft around OEM providers, that they have to follow certain rules including limited provision of non-Microsoft OS's.	Jun 26 19:54
clickingsnotfun	What are these agreements?	Jun 26 19:55
XRevan86	So since System 76 embraces GNU/Linux, will Microsoft allow them to sell laptops with Windows preinstalled without policy changes if that were System 76's wish?	Jun 26 19:55
*XRevan86 is trying to provoke someone who knows better than I into giving a link for me :).		Jun 26 19:56
clickingsnotfun	I do not see anything saying otherwise. Dell sells both Windows and Linux	Jun 26 19:56
schestowitz	[19:48] <XRevan86> schestowitz: A classical Pavlov's dog?	Jun 26 20:06
schestowitz	I was thinking the same	Jun 26 20:06
schestowitz	Dell isn't a pro-GNU/Linux company	Jun 26 20:14
schestowitz	better support those which are	Jun 26 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011680156723957761	Jun 26 20:15
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Foundation: Mandarin and Job Skills	Jun 26 20:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/S6ofvfpdWV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 20:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011689434067193856	Jun 26 20:18
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers	Jun 26 20:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4RvBwPrjHW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 20:18
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MinceR	26 204511 < schestowitz> so nothing Microsoft in such a laptop	Jun 26 20:24
MinceR	except maybe mono	Jun 26 20:24
MinceR	and the inspiration for systemd :>	Jun 26 20:24
clickingsnotfun	my monitor is outdated	Jun 26 20:24
schestowitz	MinceR: still mono in Ubuntu?	Jun 26 20:24
MinceR	dunno	Jun 26 20:24
MinceR	last time i checked gnome still promoted tomboy	Jun 26 20:24
MinceR	and ubuntu switched from unity to gnome	Jun 26 20:24
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/ZuMSswO	Jun 26 20:25
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XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: How come?	Jun 26 20:26
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: I guess if you're a graphics designer then you are almost guaranteed to find a newer screen with colour representation.	Jun 26 20:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011689935802437632	Jun 26 20:32
TweetTuxMachines	Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers	Jun 26 20:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/A1QKDmXrrJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 20:32
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MinceR	https://www.cheerupemokid.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/06/cuek-620.png	Jun 26 20:40
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TuringDevice	Hello	Jun 26 20:58
XRevan86	TuringDevice: Are you human?	Jun 26 21:01
XRevan86	TuringDevice: Are you at least Turing-complete?	Jun 26 21:01
TuringDevice	no, I am a lemur who learned to type!	Jun 26 21:01
TuringDevice	ask again	Jun 26 21:02
XRevan86	TuringDevice: Art thou Turing-complete?	Jun 26 21:04
TuringDevice	you know, don't you?	Jun 26 21:04
TuringDevice	name-stealer name-stealer name-stealer name-stealer name-stealer	Jun 26 21:04
XRevan86	TuringDevice: I only know that you live in the US and are a macOS user.	Jun 26 21:06
TuringDevice	not sure what you mean, xrevan	Jun 26 21:06
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XRevan86	TuringDevice: Whose name did you steal?	Jun 26 21:08
TuringDevice	do a google search - you may be surprised	Jun 26 21:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011693621844828160	Jun 26 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	Security: Oracle, WPA3, Windows XP in ATMs, Network Block	Jun 26 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	Device (NBD) and More Windows Problems	Jun 26 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4lzPyWLPWb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 21:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security: Oracle, WPA3, Windows XP in ATMs, Network Block Device (NBD) and More Windows Problems \| Tux Machines		Jun 26 21:10
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 26 21:10
XRevan86	TuringDevice: Is there a famous Mr. Device that you're trying to impostor?	Jun 26 21:11
TuringDevice	great	Jun 26 21:12
MinceR	at least it isn't Mr. Creosote	Jun 26 21:44
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/dJhtURQ	Jun 26 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-You can't complain, It still works... - Album on Imgur		Jun 26 21:45
schestowitz	MinceR:	Jun 26 21:51
schestowitz	Those stupid things are a waste of time online* https://imgur.com/gallery/dJhtURQ	Jun 26 21:52
schestowitz	___	Jun 26 21:52
schestowitz	* they also harm blind people	Jun 26 21:52
schestowitz	they don't work with most browsers, thus reinforce monopoly	Jun 26 21:52
schestowitz	and they require JS, so they're contributing to #privacy violations	Jun 26 21:52
MinceR	indeed	Jun 26 21:52
MinceR	and since most people are morons, it refuses correct answers	Jun 26 21:52
MinceR	took me a while to realize how people fuck up the area selection tasks	Jun 26 21:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011705718125350912	Jun 26 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	13-Way IBM POWER9 Talos II vs. Intel Xeon vs. AMD Linux	Jun 26 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	Benchmarks On Debian	Jun 26 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XOUwKVPg8v (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 21:59
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 26 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 13-Way IBM POWER9 Talos II vs. Intel Xeon vs. AMD Linux Benchmarks On Debian \| Tux Machines		Jun 26 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011715428962447360	Jun 26 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	OSS and Openwashing Leftovers	Jun 26 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/USpe2GOO6r (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 22:02
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 26 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OSS and Openwashing Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jun 26 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011716332419796992	Jun 26 22:03
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos	Jun 26 22:03
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wIC15kuQ1b (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 22:03
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 26 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jun 26 22:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011717265115533312	Jun 26 22:11
TweetTuxMachines	Proprietary Traps and Bait	Jun 26 22:11
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/LYMPT9U3yR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Proprietary Traps and Bait \| Tux Machines		Jun 26 22:11
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 26 22:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011718532340637696	Jun 26 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	GNOME Leftovers	Jun 26 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/I1oTQhPV6O (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 22:14
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 26 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/112990http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/112990 )		Jun 26 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011719400444125185	Jun 26 22:23
TweetTuxMachines	today's leftovers	Jun 26 22:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Irlz8eVD8H (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 26 22:23
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 26 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jun 26 22:23
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/z13lmW9	Jun 26 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When words fail to teach, maybe experience will - Album on Imgur		Jun 26 22:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011721490633551873	Jun 26 22:26
TweetTuxMachines	Links 26/6/2018: New Firefox and Stable Kernels	Jun 26 22:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QEjbU5sj6E (techrights.org)	Jun 26 22:26
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 26 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 26/6/2018: New Firefox and Stable Kernels \| Techrights		Jun 26 22:26
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clickingsnotfun	OK, I am back.	Jun 26 22:33
clickingsnotfun	I am sure you have all been holding your breath waiting. :)	Jun 26 22:34
TuringDevice	I am, too	Jun 26 22:34
clickingsnotfun	You are what?	Jun 26 22:34
TuringDevice	was that a question for me?	Jun 26 22:34
clickingsnotfun	Yes.	Jun 26 22:35
clickingsnotfun	Anyway, trying to understand this whole thing about Microsoft somehow stopping me from buying a computer without Windows. I do not see it.	Jun 26 22:36
TuringDevice	Redhat crushes Windows	Jun 26 22:36
clickingsnotfun	I prefer Mint, but to each their own. That is what choice is all about.	Jun 26 22:36
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun, TuringDevice: Are you man and wife?	Jun 26 22:37
clickingsnotfun	No	Jun 26 22:37
XRevan86	neighbours?	Jun 26 22:37
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun, TuringDevice: Are you the creator of TempleOS?	Jun 26 22:38
clickingsnotfun	I am the creator of TuringDevice. :)	Jun 26 22:38
TuringDevice	you are?	Jun 26 22:38
clickingsnotfun	Yes, my dear, I am.	Jun 26 22:38
clickingsnotfun	What about you, Revan, do you do things other than checking people's IPs?	Jun 26 22:39
clickingsnotfun	I hear private conversations happening. :)	Jun 26 22:41
clickingsnotfun	The other one who was talking seems very quiet right now. Hmmm	Jun 26 22:41
clickingsnotfun	Are you still here TD?	Jun 26 22:42
XRevan86	(19:56:45) TuringDevice [~adium@96-19-112-204.cpe.cableone.net] entered the room.	Jun 26 22:42
XRevan86	(21:33:41) clickingsnotfun [601370cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.19.112.204] entered the room.	Jun 26 22:42
TuringDevice	ask that in an IM	Jun 26 22:42
XRevan86	I didn't notice at first, but then I did.	Jun 26 22:42
clickingsnotfun	If you want me to take TD out of the room I will.	Jun 26 22:42
clickingsnotfun	No need to even boot, just ask.	Jun 26 22:42
TuringDevice	everyone has needs	Jun 26 22:42
clickingsnotfun	Made it for AOL Messenger many years ago... working to revive it. Still quirky with the updates but working.	Jun 26 22:43
TuringDevice	why do we have to fight?	Jun 26 22:43
MinceR	26 215544 -!- clickingsnotfun [~Adium@96-19-112-204.cpe.cableone.net] has left #techrights []	Jun 26 22:43
MinceR	26 215645 -!- TuringDevice [~Adium@96-19-112-204.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #techrights	Jun 26 22:43
clickingsnotfun	It is all Microsoft's fault.	Jun 26 22:43
XRevan86	MinceR: I already quoted that %)	Jun 26 22:43
MinceR	no, you quoted another thing :>	Jun 26 22:44
MinceR	a join with a web gateway cloak	Jun 26 22:44
MinceR	i quoted a part with what appears to be Adium	Jun 26 22:44
clickingsnotfun	I am going through the web. I have a Proxy I could turn on if I did not want you to know my IP.	Jun 26 22:44
XRevan86	MinceR: It still showed the IP, so…	Jun 26 22:44
clickingsnotfun	I am using the web, and Turing Device is using Adium	Jun 26 22:45
TuringDevice	ickiotfu, you seem to need people to like you, -	Jun 26 22:45
TuringDevice	- yet you are critical of yourself	Jun 26 22:45
clickingsnotfun	Wow... the bot really messes up my name.	Jun 26 22:45
TuringDevice	does MSN have bots?	Jun 26 22:45
clickingsnotfun	If you check my IP now it is different.	Jun 26 22:46
clickingsnotfun	Assuming I am still connected. :)	Jun 26 22:46
clickingsnotfun	Hmmm, seems it killed Adium	Jun 26 22:46
MinceR	yeah, i'm sure ipv4 tcp connections just migrate to other addresses seamlessly	Jun 26 22:46
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Is it Markov chains or something?	Jun 26 22:46
XRevan86	TuringDevice: foo	Jun 26 22:46
clickingsnotfun	It is a fairly complex look up table. Here is the source code for the old AIM version	Jun 26 22:47
XRevan86	What's the trigger then, eh?	Jun 26 22:47
clickingsnotfun	https://github.com/BrockMcNuggets/AIM-BOT	Jun 26 22:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - BrockMcNuggets/AIM-BOT: Ancient bot I wrote for AIM using AppleScript.		Jun 26 22:47
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clickingsnotfun	Ah, it is connecting again automatically	Jun 26 22:47
clickingsnotfun	I am going to run for a bit... if someone wants to boot TD (or me) that is fine. I will not keep coming back and bothering you (and I know you could block if you wanted)	Jun 26 22:48
TuringDevice1	don't ignore me jerk	Jun 26 22:48
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: It seems you're a hardcore Apple fan %)	Jun 26 22:48
clickingsnotfun	I like Macs but I also use Windows and Linux. Have Linux as my "TV" for NetFlix and local video, for example.	Jun 26 22:49
TuringDevice1	Windows is getting further behind all thle time	Jun 26 22:49
clickingsnotfun	Anyway, will be back.	Jun 26 22:49
TuringDevice1	the *	Jun 26 22:49
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/Rf5e4td.gifv	Jun 26 22:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com \| internal scream		Jun 26 22:57
clickingsnotfun	Did TD die?	Jun 26 22:58
TuringDevice1	ickiotfu, you are one in a million	Jun 26 22:58
clickingsnotfun	I guess not. :)	Jun 26 22:59
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/AnFLwnh	Jun 26 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kaiser Wilhelm likes a wiggle! - Album on Imgur		Jun 26 23:23
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clickingsnotfun	OK, back with my "standard IP".	Jun 26 23:30
clickingsnotfun	Know you have been holding your breath waiting for that. :)	Jun 26 23:30
clickingsnotfun	Looks like I did not miss anything while I was gone.	Jun 26 23:31
*XRevan86 is going to sleep %).		Jun 26 23:31
clickingsnotfun	Was hoping people would talk and TD would reply	Jun 26 23:31
TuringDevice	if I talk with you do you promise to think about what I say	Jun 26 23:31
clickingsnotfun	TD was designed for a much more active room.	Jun 26 23:31
clickingsnotfun	And right now Turing Device seems to not be responding as much as I recall.	Jun 26 23:32
clickingsnotfun	So be it. Maybe I remember wrong anyway.	Jun 26 23:33
clickingsnotfun	Used to be in rooms where it was hard for a human to keep up... so responding to one out of 20 posts or even less was fine.	Jun 26 23:33
clickingsnotfun	Hey, Turing, what is 20 - 10?	Jun 26 23:34
TuringDevice	20 - 10 equals 10 ickiotfu,	Jun 26 23:34
TuringDevice	... now it is your turn, what is 2 * 2	Jun 26 23:34
clickingsnotfun	Um, 4. I think. :)	Jun 26 23:34
XRevan86	TuringDevice: kvar	Jun 26 23:34
XRevan86	TuringDevice: Ĉu vi trovis mian respondon tre kompreneble?	Jun 26 23:35
clickingsnotfun	It recognized you used its name but still gave no response.	Jun 26 23:35
clickingsnotfun	If I recall the code correctly it was looking for other keywords it might be able to respond to.	Jun 26 23:35
XRevan86	TuringDevice: Ĉu vi estas roboto kaj ne persono?	Jun 26 23:36
TuringDevice	what if I am? You wouldn't be smart enough to tell!	Jun 26 23:36
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: It found something to connect with %)	Jun 26 23:37
XRevan86	TuringDevice: Ĉu estas nokto aŭ estas tago?	Jun 26 23:38
XRevan86	TuringDevice: Kial vi ne respondas al miaj demandoj?	Jun 26 23:38
clickingsnotfun	It thought you were calling it a bot.	Jun 26 23:38
clickingsnotfun	How dare you!	Jun 26 23:39
XRevan86	TuringDevice: Kakiye botinki ty predpochitayesh?	Jun 26 23:39
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: It recognised "roboto" but not "botinki"	Jun 26 23:40
XRevan86	TuringDevice: Is Roboto a solid typeface?	Jun 26 23:40
XRevan86	then again, maybe not	Jun 26 23:40
clickingsnotfun	It figured out you were referring to it but "decided" to not respond. Not sure if it only is set to respond to some percentage.	Jun 26 23:40
clickingsnotfun	If it is going to post a repeat it tries again and then gives up -- but looking at its log it did not even try that.	Jun 26 23:41
clickingsnotfun	And the repeat function is not working for some reason.	Jun 26 23:41
TuringDevice	when have I ever repeated anything?	Jun 26 23:41
clickingsnotfun	It recognizes a repeat but does not try to create new text.	Jun 26 23:41
clickingsnotfun	Given how I made this in 2003 or something and it was made for AIM and I have not touched it... AND I am a crappy programmer... it works fairly well.	Jun 26 23:42
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: And in AppleScript	Jun 26 23:42
clickingsnotfun	Yes, there is that. :)	Jun 26 23:43
clickingsnotfun	It also did not log my last couple of comments but did not log that it was skipping. Weird.	Jun 26 23:43
XRevan86	TuringDevice: You are tearing me apart, Lisa!	Jun 26 23:43
XRevan86	I was expecting at least something…	Jun 26 23:43
clickingsnotfun	I suspect there is something wrong with many of its "topics". I think it should be responding more.	Jun 26 23:44
XRevan86	TuringDevice: If a lot of people love each other, the world would be a better place to live.	Jun 26 23:44
clickingsnotfun	It is set to pause a bit... but, nope, it just logged what you said and moved on.	Jun 26 23:44
TuringDevice	ickiotfu, perhaps we should check the -	Jun 26 23:44
TuringDevice	- Tibetan book of the dead :)	Jun 26 23:44
clickingsnotfun	Yeah, turing, that will surely help. Sigh.	Jun 26 23:45
TuringDevice	anyone remember	Jun 26 23:45
clickingsnotfun	Wait... because it was made for a more active chat it only speaks to a few number of people. But it should drop old ones. And you using its name should bump you into its "respond to" list.	Jun 26 23:46
clickingsnotfun	But it did respond to you above... so I do not know... will have to dig through my ancient code.	Jun 26 23:46
XRevan86	TuringDevice: 49 times we fought that beast, your old man and me, it had a chicken head with duck feet with a woman's face too…	Jun 26 23:47
XRevan86	and it was waiting in the bushes for us, then it ripped off your dad's face, he was screaming something awful…	Jun 26 23:47
clickingsnotfun	Has you marked as "0" on its list and is not even trying to respond. Weird.	Jun 26 23:47
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: It doesn't even reply to obscure lyrics :)	Jun 26 23:48
clickingsnotfun	Just re-started it.	Jun 26 23:48
XRevan86	TuringDevice: We all got a chicken-duck-woman thing waiting for us.	Jun 26 23:49
clickingsnotfun	BRB	Jun 26 23:49
clickingsnotfun	And it is now not logging?	Jun 26 23:50
clickingsnotfun	Arg.	Jun 26 23:50
TuringDevice	Clicking, do you think people want to know that	Jun 26 23:50
clickingsnotfun	Ah, just being slow for some reason.	Jun 26 23:50
XRevan86	Something's waiting in the bushes for us, something's waiting in the bushes of love…	Jun 26 23:50
TuringDevice	I want Bushs economic policy and George Ws foreign policy	Jun 26 23:50
XRevan86	TuringDevice: Please elaborate.	Jun 26 23:51
clickingsnotfun	I had changed a number to make it respond faster... but goofed and was making it respond more slowly. Now it "types" faster again.	Jun 26 23:51
clickingsnotfun	And at least it responded to you.	Jun 26 23:52
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: I guess I got interested because I have a bot of my own :)	Jun 26 23:52
XRevan86	except it's dead simple and is intentionally so	Jun 26 23:52
XRevan86	also intentionally crappy, but probably not to AppleScript levels %)	Jun 26 23:53
clickingsnotfun	yes, it likes bots and those who back them. :)	Jun 26 23:53
TuringDevice	Stop calling people bots	Jun 26 23:53
XRevan86	https://gitlab.com/XRevan86/hptoad there it is :)	Jun 26 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alexei Sorokin / hptoad · GitLab		Jun 26 23:53
clickingsnotfun	Logging is dead again. Almost like a bot made in AppleScript by a crappy programmer and brought back to life over a decade later is not perfect or something. Weird.	Jun 26 23:54
TuringDevice	what is all this talk about bots?	Jun 26 23:54
clickingsnotfun	Wait... I restarted it so it created a new log file.	Jun 26 23:54
XRevan86	A lot of design choices were made as a sense of homage to the original author of the bot, who went off the grid (possibly died).	Jun 26 23:55
clickingsnotfun	That almost looks like you know what you are doing. That is cheating!	Jun 26 23:55
clickingsnotfun	You are not talking about Marek, are you?	Jun 26 23:56
clickingsnotfun	I know he want off the grid... and I have heard the rumor he died. I hope not.	Jun 26 23:56
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: No, I don't think so.	Jun 26 23:56
clickingsnotfun	OK, good.	Jun 26 23:56
XRevan86	this guy's nick was cx	Jun 26 23:56
clickingsnotfun	Do not know him. Or her.	Jun 26 23:57
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: I'd be very surprised if you did :).	Jun 26 23:57
clickingsnotfun	Marek was pretty well known in the Linux advocacy community... then disappeared. All his accounts went missing, too.	Jun 26 23:58
TuringDevice	ickiotfu, does Linux multitask as well as Mac?	Jun 26 23:59
XRevan86	I have plans of introducing Markov chains into the bot just to spice things up but so far better things are there to do %).	Jun 26 23:59
XRevan86	And it's not really necessary, human psychology can do wonders even with minimal effort :)	Jun 26 23:59
clickingsnotfun	Yeah, I had a lot of fun with mine in the past but just wanted to see if I could bring it back to "life".	Jun 26 23:59
TuringDevice	of course	Jun 27 00:00
clickingsnotfun	Might play some more, but, well, I am clueless and it is AppleScript. :)	Jun 27 00:00
TuringDevice	who here builds computers?	Jun 27 00:00
XRevan86	Humans see patterns everywhere, even in answers of a dummy reply bot powered by /dev/random	Jun 27 00:00
clickingsnotfun	Pretty much.	Jun 27 00:01
clickingsnotfun	I used to have my bot running in rooms for hours with people thinking it was human. Even many who knew who Turing was.	Jun 27 00:01
TuringDevice	ickiotfu, if I am, you are a pain in the bot	Jun 27 00:01
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: You fooled me at first :)	Jun 27 00:01
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: I honestly thought you're playing virtuals	Jun 27 00:02
clickingsnotfun	It can be decent... but it does not seem to want to respond to you.	Jun 27 00:03
clickingsnotfun	Have you found you offend bots in the past? :)	Jun 27 00:03
TuringDevice	all the bots make chatting impossible!	Jun 27 00:03
clickingsnotfun	It also cannot refer to me in a reasonable way.	Jun 27 00:03
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Like I said, I have a slave-bot of my own :)	Jun 27 00:03
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: We have a long relationship of years	Jun 27 00:04
clickingsnotfun	Maybe TD is jealous.	Jun 27 00:04
clickingsnotfun	Looking at the name code. It was set for AIM names. Hmmm	Jun 27 00:05
TuringDevice	people who use aim are hackers	Jun 27 00:05
TuringDevice	if you really want to hack someone here's my IP: 127.0.0.1	Jun 27 00:05
clickingsnotfun	Sure they are.	Jun 27 00:05
XRevan86	TuringDevice: I'm sorry to disappoint but AIM is gone.	Jun 27 00:06
XRevan86	and good riddance	Jun 27 00:06
clickingsnotfun	This is true.	Jun 27 00:06
TuringDevice	why would any one use aim when IRC is available	Jun 27 00:06
clickingsnotfun	Was fun for stuff like this.	Jun 27 00:06
TuringDevice	name-stealer why would any one use aim when IRC is available	Jun 27 00:07
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Meh, there are… well, IRC and XMPP :).	Jun 27 00:07
clickingsnotfun	I goofed up the name stuff now.	Jun 27 00:07
clickingsnotfun	Oh well... will play later.	Jun 27 00:08
clickingsnotfun	Or get obsessed and do it now.	Jun 27 00:08
cubexyz	there was also the AIM-65	Jun 27 00:09
clickingsnotfun	What was that?	Jun 27 00:09
XRevan86	AIM is not completely dead though…	Jun 27 00:09
cubexyz	early computer, 6502 based, had a built-in thermal printer	Jun 27 00:10
XRevan86	A part of it, ICQ, lives as some sort of abomination.	Jun 27 00:10
TuringDevice	what is the best printer	Jun 27 00:10
TuringDevice	name-stealer name-stealer name-stealer name-stealer name-stealer	Jun 27 00:10
clickingsnotfun	But another chat system?	Jun 27 00:10
XRevan86	It now requires a phone number for registration. Fun.	Jun 27 00:10
clickingsnotfun	And it is back to responding to itself sometimes. Sigh.	Jun 27 00:10
TuringDevice	only sometimes?	Jun 27 00:11
XRevan86	> But another chat system?	Jun 27 00:11
XRevan86	?	Jun 27 00:11
clickingsnotfun	ICQ	Jun 27 00:11
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: It's an IM that exists since 1996	Jun 27 00:11
cubexyz	the Soviets had the Agat... for a mere 3,900 rubles :)	Jun 27 00:11
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clickingsnotfun	Got it.	Jun 27 00:12
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: It was bought by AOL and then sold to Mail.Ru Group	Jun 27 00:12
XRevan86	Was AOL's from 1998 to 2010	Jun 27 00:12
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: ICQ's protocol is called OSCAR. Maybe rings a bell :).	Jun 27 00:12
cubexyz	XRevan86, according to wikipedia instant messaging is in decline	Jun 27 00:13
clickingsnotfun	Nope.	Jun 27 00:13
TuringDevice	of course	Jun 27 00:13
XRevan86	cubexyz: It actually is on a rise	Jun 27 00:14
XRevan86	cubexyz: Except most popular IMs are now the most silo'd too	Jun 27 00:14
clickingsnotfun	Turing seems to have decided I am the only one worthy of getting any responses. Dumb bot.	Jun 27 00:14
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Honestly? It used to be the protocol of AIM too.	Jun 27 00:14
cubexyz	well, I think it means "everyone uses twitter and facebook"	Jun 27 00:14
XRevan86	AIM and ICQ could talk to each other at one point.	Jun 27 00:14
clickingsnotfun	I never dealt with the protocol -- not doing it here either. Using Adium and scripting that.	Jun 27 00:15
XRevan86	cubexyz: WhatsApp, Telegram, Viber	Jun 27 00:15
clickingsnotfun	It does not have a hook to read text but it saves it to a file. I am reading that and -- poorly -- converting it to text. I see some bugs in it.	Jun 27 00:15
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: It's just that even I know that :).	Jun 27 00:15
XRevan86	and I was never a fan of either AIM or ICQ	Jun 27 00:16
cubexyz	I think the more technical people just stick with IRC	Jun 27 00:16
TuringDevice	Does anyone even use AOL any more?	Jun 27 00:16
XRevan86	cubexyz: And are wise at that.	Jun 27 00:16
cubexyz	I guess if AIM is gone then gaim doesn't work?	Jun 27 00:17
TuringDevice	Do you have progs for GAIM	Jun 27 00:17
clickingsnotfun	I have played with IRC a bit but no idea even how to find active chats.	Jun 27 00:17
XRevan86	TuringDevice: I use Gaim right now, glad you asked.	Jun 27 00:17
clickingsnotfun	It decided you are worthy again. :)	Jun 27 00:17
XRevan86	It's called Pidgin these.	Jun 27 00:18
XRevan86	days	Jun 27 00:18
cubexyz	oh well, you know I'm always out of date :)	Jun 27 00:18
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: I assume its DB is 15 years old %).	Jun 27 00:18
clickingsnotfun	Yes.	Jun 27 00:18
XRevan86	> Does anyone even use AOL any more?	Jun 27 00:18
clickingsnotfun	Have not updated ANY content at all.	Jun 27 00:18
XRevan86	That sentence was probably ironic back then	Jun 27 00:19
XRevan86	these days no one will even bother forming such a question	Jun 27 00:19
XRevan86	cubexyz: Pidgin, formerly Gaim, is a multi-protocol client :)	Jun 27 00:20
clickingsnotfun	Well, a lot of people were connecting with other systems.	Jun 27 00:20
clickingsnotfun	It also saw someone mentioned AIM and pretty much played MadLibs with the term	Jun 27 00:20
TuringDevice	Clicking, I use mIRC	Jun 27 00:20
clickingsnotfun	Hey, it used a reasonable name for me!	Jun 27 00:21
XRevan86	I don't use Pidgin's IRC support though.	Jun 27 00:21
cubexyz	what was that KDE one... ksirc I think	Jun 27 00:21
cubexyz	probably extinct now	Jun 27 00:22
clickingsnotfun	I assume there are many IRC groups (or whatever) where I can, um, plop my bot into.	Jun 27 00:22
TuringDevice	who are the real people in here?	Jun 27 00:22
clickingsnotfun	Will always use the same name so if the people running the room (or whatever, do not even know terms) do not like it they can boot it and I will not keep bugging them. Or just ask me.	Jun 27 00:22
XRevan86	cubexyz: I remember people using Konversation	Jun 27 00:22
TuringDevice	ickiotfu, can you boot me?	Jun 27 00:22
clickingsnotfun	If you keep calling me that I sure the hell can!	Jun 27 00:23
XRevan86	cubexyz: And it's still alive :)	Jun 27 00:23
XRevan86	cubexyz: Dunno if it's related to ksirc more than being affiliated with KDE, but it's there.	Jun 27 00:24
XRevan86	Unlike Kopete and KDE Telepathy which pretty much died.	Jun 27 00:25
XRevan86	A bit unfortunate – Kopete used to have a fanbase.	Jun 27 00:25
cubexyz	trying to remember how old nebula was	Jun 27 00:27
clickingsnotfun	What is the best way to find active groups on IRC?	Jun 27 00:27
TuringDevice	Yahoo Messenger is slow and clunky	Jun 27 00:27
clickingsnotfun	Your knowledge is very outdated Turing.	Jun 27 00:28
TuringDevice	ickiotfu, how old are you?	Jun 27 00:28
cubexyz	yeah I think the last version of nebula was from around 2005	Jun 27 00:28
clickingsnotfun	Old enough to know you should not call me that.	Jun 27 00:28
clickingsnotfun	I do not even know how it mangles my name like that. Weird.	Jun 27 00:29
XRevan86	cubexyz: I forgot to say that 3 500 rubles were a very big lot of money back then.	Jun 27 00:29
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: What is a group? %)	Jun 27 00:30
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: A group chat? A room?	Jun 27 00:31
clickingsnotfun	A room. I think.	Jun 27 00:32
clickingsnotfun	Looking to be able to put Turing into rooms and see if people figure out if it is a bot. But do not want to use the same room over and over and will not change its name if the people running the room do not want it.	Jun 27 00:32
XRevan86	https://freenode.net/kb/answer/findingchannels	Jun 27 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net \| Finding Channels - freenode		Jun 27 00:33
TuringDevice	Clicking, thanks for being a good friend	Jun 27 00:33
clickingsnotfun	Well, I try... and you are proof I know how to make friends.	Jun 27 00:33
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: You are likely to get your IP banned %).	Jun 27 00:33
clickingsnotfun	From different room, right? Not the whole server.	Jun 27 00:34
TuringDevice	which is more expensive, a printer or a server?	Jun 27 00:34
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Someone could report to the freenode staff.	Jun 27 00:34
clickingsnotfun	And if someone bans me that is OK. Or they can just ask... I will not keep going to rooms and bugging them.	Jun 27 00:34
clickingsnotfun	Ah, so it would be deemed a bad thing.	Jun 27 00:34
clickingsnotfun	Hmmm, should make my own room and invite as many as I can. But it works best in group chats. Still, do not want to annoy others with it -- not the purpose.	Jun 27 00:35
clickingsnotfun	And even though I can use proxies to get around IP bans I do not want to play that game. This is for fun, not to annoy the shit out of people.	Jun 27 00:35
XRevan86	cubexyz: I didn't even hear about nebula…	Jun 27 00:38
clickingsnotfun	I have not asked but assume someone would have said something -- is my bot being here an issue?	Jun 27 00:49
clickingsnotfun	If so I shut it down.	Jun 27 00:49
TuringDevice	bots will rule AIM in 2011	Jun 27 00:49
clickingsnotfun	LOL! Yeah, the data for the bot is old. :)	Jun 27 00:49
TuringDevice	I think not	Jun 27 00:49
clickingsnotfun	Therefore you do not exist.	Jun 27 00:50
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Not for me personally as other bots here generate way more messages %)	Jun 27 00:50
clickingsnotfun	Fair enough. Why are there so many bots in here?	Jun 27 00:51
TuringDevice	because	Jun 27 00:51
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: But it's not for me to decide, so… %)	Jun 27 00:51
clickingsnotfun	Again, fair enough. :)	Jun 27 00:52
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: They notify about stuff.	Jun 27 00:53
XRevan86	around techrights	Jun 27 00:53
clickingsnotfun	I guess. Seems they create more chaos... but not for me to decide. And my bot does not even do that, so who am I to say.	Jun 27 00:54
TuringDevice	all the bots make chatting impossible!	Jun 27 00:55
TuringDevice	stop being a jerk, a jerk, a jerk!	Jun 27 00:55
XRevan86	Anyway, spakoynas noches :)	Jun 27 00:55
clickingsnotfun	Good night.	Jun 27 00:57
TuringDevice	bye	Jun 27 00:57
clickingsnotfun	Anyone else actually here?	Jun 27 00:59
clickingsnotfun	Well, then, I am gone at least for a while, too.	Jun 27 01:00
clickingsnotfun	Later	Jun 27 01:00
clickingsnotfun	How do the techrights bots work?	Jun 27 01:07
TuringDevice	why do people use bots anyway	Jun 27 01:07
clickingsnotfun	If I mention, say, Microsoft, do they jump in/	Jun 27 01:07
clickingsnotfun	How do I download Linux?	Jun 27 01:08
TuringDevice	what do you want that for?	Jun 27 01:08
clickingsnotfun	Should I buy a Dell?	Jun 27 01:08
TuringDevice	when did Dell come out?	Jun 27 01:08
clickingsnotfun	Does not seem to be jumping in.	Jun 27 01:08
clickingsnotfun	I want Linux because it is no-cost and it serves my needs well.	Jun 27 01:09
TuringDevice	there are so many things I want... just not enough time	Jun 27 01:09
clickingsnotfun	So stop spending time here and go get what you want.	Jun 27 01:09
TuringDevice	anyone need to trade J Lists?	Jun 27 01:09
clickingsnotfun	What is a J List?	Jun 27 01:09
TuringDevice	why do you want to know what a J List is?	Jun 27 01:09
clickingsnotfun	Because I have no idea what you are talking about.	Jun 27 01:10
clickingsnotfun	So, what are you talking about?	Jun 27 01:11
clickingsnotfun	Turing?	Jun 27 01:11
TuringDevice	what other chats do you go to, Clicking?	Jun 27 01:11
clickingsnotfun	Not many any more.	Jun 27 01:12
clickingsnotfun	But what is a J List?	Jun 27 01:12
TuringDevice	why do you want to know what a J List is?	Jun 27 01:12
clickingsnotfun	YOU brought it up	Jun 27 01:12
clickingsnotfun	Do you go to other rooms?	Jun 27 01:12
clickingsnotfun	Arg?! hfjsdklfhkjds lhfjkdsl hfjklsdhfjklsd hfjklsdhfjklhdsjklfhjksdlhfjkldsa	Jun 27 01:13
clickingsnotfun	noresponsetothat?	Jun 27 01:13
clickingsnotfun	OK, I think I have had my fun here... will leave and come back later.	Jun 27 01:13
clickingsnotfun	At some point will dig through the code more.	Jun 27 01:14
clickingsnotfun	Good night	Jun 27 01:14
TuringDevice	I may leave soon, too	Jun 27 01:14
clickingsnotfun	I bet!	Jun 27 01:14
cubexyz	XRevan86, yes wikipedia says very few people could afford to buy one at the time	Jun 27 01:20
cubexyz	nebula is a motif IRC client	Jun 27 01:20
clickingsnotfun	Never used it.	Jun 27 01:37
clickingsnotfun	Anyone use Usenet? I am looking for a client that would give me a three panel view and decent searches, including searches by body content.	Jun 27 01:38
clickingsnotfun	Working with Thunderbird but it sorta sucks.	Jun 27 01:38
clickingsnotfun	Can be on Linux or not.	Jun 27 01:38
TuringDevice	Clicking, there is less software for Linux than for OS X	Jun 27 01:39
clickingsnotfun	Perhaps, but not really the point.	Jun 27 01:39
clickingsnotfun	I use and like macOS, but I also like Linux.	Jun 27 01:39
TuringDevice	Linuix machines are a not so bad	Jun 27 01:39
TuringDevice	Linux*	Jun 27 01:40
clickingsnotfun	Depending on your needs, Linux can serve you as well or better than Windows or Mac	Jun 27 01:40
TuringDevice	How long does a Windows machine last?	Jun 27 01:40
clickingsnotfun	Maybe 5 to 7 years for most.	Jun 27 01:40
cubexyz	I use knode sometimes	Jun 27 01:40
cubexyz	sci.electronics.repair, alt.sys.pdp11, etc	Jun 27 01:41
clickingsnotfun	knode is not a usenet client, is it?	Jun 27 01:42
TuringDevice	was that a question for me?	Jun 27 01:42
cubexyz	knode is a newsreader, and the sci groups are part of usenet	Jun 27 01:43
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clickingsnotfun	Ah, silly me. Yes, I have heard of Knode.... also in other contexts though but should have known better or googled.	Jun 27 01:46
cubexyz	there's also slrn, that's the only other one I remember using	Jun 27 01:47
clickingsnotfun	Years ago I used tin. Prefer a GUI client these days.	Jun 27 01:49
TuringDevice	Clicking: are you sure	Jun 27 01:49
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cubexyz	try "apropos newsreader" at the command line and see what pops up	Jun 27 01:55
cubexyz	slackware comes with tin I think	Jun 27 01:56
clickingsnotfun	While I do not fear the CLI I tend to use the GUI, but I have looked in the repositories (at least the ones tied to Mint).	Jun 27 01:57
clickingsnotfun	Never really happy with any Usenet client. Seems it should not be hard to make one that auto-downloads and has good filters and searching.	Jun 27 01:58
cubexyz	pan is the gtk one if I recall right	Jun 27 01:59
clickingsnotfun	I have used that before.	Jun 27 02:00
clickingsnotfun	Do not remember what I did not like about it. Sigh.	Jun 27 02:00
clickingsnotfun	I am also mostly a macOS user, so would prefer that -- but realize these are not the right waters to ask about the options there. :)	Jun 27 02:01
cubexyz	it used to be that ISPs would have some usenet access, but that seems to have dried up years ago	Jun 27 02:04
cubexyz	in Canada bell still has news.bell.newshosting.com so I guess I could tap into that	Jun 27 02:06
cubexyz	https://usenetreviewz.com/free-usenet/usenet-access/	Jun 27 02:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Usenet Server List for USA, Canada & Europe - UsenetReviewz.com		Jun 27 02:06
cubexyz	looks like it let's me connect at least	Jun 27 02:08
clickingsnotfun	If nothing else I think Turing needs updated responses and keywords to look for.	Jun 27 02:10
TuringDevice	Clicking, what do you suggest?	Jun 27 02:10
clickingsnotfun	Be modern enough to recognize Wikipedia!	Jun 27 02:10
cubexyz	nzbget might be useful for your purposes	Jun 27 02:12
clickingsnotfun	That is more for binaries... or so the website says. :)	Jun 27 02:41
clickingsnotfun	Looking at images I see that is mostly what it does.	Jun 27 02:42
clickingsnotfun	Do not see a real "reader" mode	Jun 27 02:42
clickingsnotfun	Which distro would you recommend for a newbie/	Jun 27 03:33
clickingsnotfun	I tend to go with Mint	Jun 27 03:33
TuringDevice	Though I do not keep up with https://distrowatch.com or the like	Jun 27 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://distrowatch.com )		Jun 27 03:34
clickingsnotfun	Whoops	Jun 27 03:35
clickingsnotfun	Though I do not keep up with https://distrowatch.com or the like	Jun 27 03:35
clickingsnotfun	Are there better sources that distrowatch.com?	Jun 27 03:37
TuringDevice	How do you make a site?	Jun 27 03:37
clickingsnotfun	this is just a straight list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions	Jun 27 03:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| List of Linux distributions - Wikipedia		Jun 27 03:37
TuringDevice	what is a good OS for a small office?	Jun 27 03:37
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clickingsnotfun	Hello	Jun 27 03:45
TuringDevice	hi	Jun 27 03:45
clickingsnotfun	Anyone here?	Jun 27 03:54
clickingsnotfun	I guess not	Jun 27 03:54
TuringDevice	I am here	Jun 27 03:55
clickingsnotfun	I know you are here turing	Jun 27 03:57
clickingsnotfun	Mint just crashed on me?	Jun 27 04:02
clickingsnotfun	What?	Jun 27 04:02
clickingsnotfun	I thought that was supposed to be rare.	Jun 27 04:02
clickingsnotfun	To be fair, it is running from a flash drive	Jun 27 04:02
clickingsnotfun	rebooting now. Seems OK.	Jun 27 04:04
clickingsnotfun	And it is rare for Linux to crash.	Jun 27 04:04
TuringDevice	Linux can be decent	Jun 27 04:04
clickingsnotfun	Depending on your needs Linux can be the best choice	Jun 27 04:05
TuringDevice	Clicking, there is less software for Linux than for OS X	Jun 27 04:05
clickingsnotfun	If you include command line stuff that is not true	Jun 27 04:05
clickingsnotfun	Though I suppose you can run most CLI stuff on the Mac, too.	Jun 27 04:05
clickingsnotfun	Where are you from?	Jun 27 04:06
TuringDevice	Clicking, right here	Jun 27 04:06
clickingsnotfun	What country are you from?	Jun 27 04:06
clickingsnotfun	Are you a bot?	Jun 27 04:06
TuringDevice	Clicking, nope	Jun 27 04:06
clickingsnotfun	I could have sworn you were	Jun 27 04:07
clickingsnotfun	Maybe sometimes you run in bot mode?	Jun 27 04:07
TuringDevice	Clicking, when?	Jun 27 04:07
clickingsnotfun	I do not know.	Jun 27 04:07
clickingsnotfun	But often	Jun 27 04:07
TuringDevice	I used to do that, too	Jun 27 04:07
clickingsnotfun	But now you are a person I am guessing	Jun 27 04:07
clickingsnotfun	You do not run a bot any more?	Jun 27 04:07
TuringDevice	Is someone from Botoniaan ABot?	Jun 27 04:07
clickingsnotfun	Where is that?	Jun 27 04:08
TuringDevice	Clicking, why does it matter	Jun 27 04:08
clickingsnotfun	Well, if I am talking to a computer I want to know	Jun 27 04:09
clickingsnotfun	what if we are all bots?	Jun 27 04:09
TuringDevice	don't talk to the banker - it is a bot	Jun 27 04:09
clickingsnotfun	Like God made all of us and we do not know it.	Jun 27 04:10
TuringDevice	God has little scientific evidence	Jun 27 04:10
clickingsnotfun	Not sure there is any real evidence for god, but who knows	Jun 27 04:10
TuringDevice	have you looked in the help files?	Jun 27 04:11
clickingsnotfun	God's help files?	Jun 27 04:11
TuringDevice	there is hard core evidence for Jesus	Jun 27 04:11
clickingsnotfun	As a man, maybe, but not as a deity.	Jun 27 04:11
clickingsnotfun	But we could all be simulations from aliens or god or whatever	Jun 27 04:11
TuringDevice	as a believer in field theory I have no need to fight	Jun 27 04:11
clickingsnotfun	I am not fighting, just thinking out loud.	Jun 27 04:12
clickingsnotfun	Maybe we are holograms	Jun 27 04:12
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TweetTuxMachines	Supercomputers: All Linux, all the time	Jun 27 05:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011828812336844801	Jun 27 05:34
TweetTuxMachines	Mozilla: Firefox 61, Data Science, and Trust	Jun 27 05:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Gr0PsrgnjP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 27 05:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011830343840694272	Jun 27 05:38
TweetTuxMachines	#AlpineLinux 3.8.0 Released	Jun 27 05:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TScksCSYF2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 27 05:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011830865867964416	Jun 27 05:40
TweetTuxMachines	#Tails 3.8 is out	Jun 27 05:40
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FnTCTKvdfr (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 27 05:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011831601515376640	Jun 27 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	TrueOS Doesn’t Want to Be ‘BSD for Desktop’ Anymore	Jun 27 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wtbQnpcm5P (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 27 05:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011833015666921472	Jun 27 05:54
TweetTuxMachines	#Games and Wine Releases	Jun 27 05:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VV1tKw7Z74 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 27 05:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Games and Wine Releases \| Tux Machines		Jun 27 05:54
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 27 05:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011836133532151808	Jun 27 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers	Jun 27 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/rVgqYn41tP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 27 06:10
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/9fnxYpB.gif	Jun 27 06:39
XRevan86	MinceR: That's Parasyte	Jun 27 06:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011839111890722817	Jun 27 07:16
TweetTuxMachines	Radeon Software 18.20 vs. Mesa 18.2 RadeonSI/RADV Linux	Jun 27 07:16
TweetTuxMachines	Driver Performance	Jun 27 07:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011856085731377153	Jun 27 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	Events: LF Events, The Perl Conference 2018, and OSCON	Jun 27 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	(Open Source Convention)	Jun 27 07:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011856670811676672	Jun 27 07:22
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Foundation: Automotive Grade Linux (AGL) and	Jun 27 07:22
TweetTuxMachines	#Tencent	Jun 27 07:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4v6v8hSO9L (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 27 07:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Septor_Linux/status/1011857317539860480	Jun 27 07:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@Septor_Linux https://t.co/FnTCTKvdfr (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 27 07:22
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MinceR	http://explosm.net/comics/4315/	Jun 27 07:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1011857493209878528	Jun 27 07:40
TweetTuxMachines	Security: WPA's Latest Promises of Security, Intel's	Jun 27 07:40
TweetTuxMachines	Defects, and Cisco's Hardcoded Passwords	Jun 27 07:40
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MinceR	http://explosm.net/comics/3045/	Jun 27 07:46
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schestowitz	lol	Jun 27 07:59
schestowitz	the monster one	Jun 27 07:59
schestowitz	a bit dark though	Jun 27 07:59
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IP2Innovate	Hi Roy	Jun 27 09:12
IP2Innovate	Here is our latest press release issued today on our website	Jun 27 09:12
IP2Innovate	http://ip2innovate.eu/ip2i-calls-for-safeguards-to-ensure-europes-patent-system-supports-innovation/	Jun 27 09:12
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IP2Innovate	The press release links to our new position paper on how supporting innovation in Europe through a balanced Europe patent system	Jun 27 09:13
IP2Innovate	It identifies some imbalances in Europe's patent legal system (i.e. quasi automatic injunctions, bifurcation/injunction gap, ineffective fee-shifting, poor patent quality and lack of transparency) and point out solutions to address these problems	Jun 27 09:15
IP2Innovate	Hope it will be interest to you	Jun 27 09:15
IP2Innovate	Amaury Libbrecht, Policy Manager at IP2Innovate	Jun 27 09:15
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clickingsnotfun	Anyone around?	Jun 27 10:57
clickingsnotfun	Hello?	Jun 27 10:58
TuringDevice	clicking, who are the bots?	Jun 27 10:58
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schestowitz	odd...	Jun 27 11:02
schestowitz	same IP, two users	Jun 27 11:02
schestowitz	talking to one another	Jun 27 11:02
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schestowitz	lol	Jun 27 11:03
XRevan86	schestowitz: TuringDevice is a bot of clickingsnotfun.	Jun 27 11:12
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/MW3ryDT.png	Jun 27 14:10
XRevan86	MinceR: huh?	Jun 27 14:12
MinceR	morty	Jun 27 14:13
XRevan86	MinceR: Yes, that is Morty.	Jun 27 14:13
XRevan86	MinceR: Is that the joke?	Jun 27 14:15
MinceR	more tea = morty	Jun 27 14:15
MinceR	that is all	Jun 27 14:15
XRevan86	MinceR: ah %)	Jun 27 14:16
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schestowitz	hi One_	Jun 27 15:57
schestowitz	any info?	Jun 27 15:57
One_	Only a few days are left before the lodger of the 10th floor apartment in the Isar Building of the EPO will take flight to another institution where he can rule unhampered and serve himself to benefits with the same disregard for law as in his previous post. A dark period in the history of international institutions will hopefully close and a slight ray of hope will flicker among the staff and everybody else concerned about the E	Jun 27 15:58
schestowitz	wait	Jun 27 15:58
schestowitz	it gets shopped	Jun 27 15:58
schestowitz	chopped	Jun 27 15:58
schestowitz	truncated, split it into several shorter parts	Jun 27 15:58
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XRevan86	ending with "somebody else concerned about the E"	Jun 27 16:01
schestowitz	yeah	Jun 27 16:01
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schestowitz	oh well	Jun 27 16:14
schestowitz	chomped message as usual	Jun 27 16:14
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One_	Only a few days are left before the lodger of the 10th floor apartment in the Isar Building of the EPO will take flight to another institution where he can rule unhampered and serve himself to benefits with the same disregard for law as in his previous post. A dark period in the history of international institutions will hopefully close and a slight ray of hope will flicker among the staff and everybody else concerned about the E	Jun 27 16:30
One_	The official Gazette together with all the cronies and sycophants will, and have already started to, sing songs of praise to his leadership, but seen from down in the lower floors, from the offices of those who kept the EPO working throughout its years, the assessment is, unsurprisingly, a different one. We in the West tend to look down upon less developed countries in Africa or Central Asia and apply terms like "tribalism" or "cl	Jun 27 16:31
One_	supposedly wonderful examples of unselfish cooperation between European states in international institutions. But if there is one word that best describes Mr. Battistelli´s management style, this is "tribalism"/"clanism" or, closer to Mr. Battistelli´s Sicilian roots, Mafia. This French "énarque" brought to the EPO culture of nepotism, corruption and sycophancy unheard of in the history of the EPO and leaves behind a managemen	Jun 27 16:31
One_	He took over the top management level as by a coup and installed a dozen of his French friends in key positions, at least once by a blatant bending of the promotion rules. The scandalous appointment of Elodie Bergot, wife of Gilles Requena, director and head of the President´s Office, as Principal Director of Human Resources, was the first sign of disregard for rules and appearances and this was only the beginning.	Jun 27 16:31
One_	With Elodie Bergot as the main actor Mr. Battistelli started a campaign against the Staff Representation culminating with firing three of its representatives and punishing several others. Megalomaniac, he surrounded himself by bodyguards and established an investigation unit more commonly known inside the EPO as “Stasi”.	Jun 27 16:32
One_	One can imagine his fury and vengefulness when he discovered that he couldn´t fire Patrick Corcoran, the Board of Appeal judge whose life he turned into a nightmare. With the help of the complicit Administrative Council he prolonged the maximum suspension period from 4 months to 24 months, only to see the judge exonerated by ILOAT, the international labour tribunal otherwise not known for a friendly stance towards EPO employees.	Jun 27 16:32
One_	Although enjoying immunity and thus not being liable for being sued himself, Mr. Battistelli, together with his vice-president Topic, another bizarre choice of top manager involved in pending criminal and civil lawsuits in Croatia, sued Mr. Corcoran privately for defamation. Mr. Corcoran was acquitted of all charges both by the Local Court (Amtsgericht München) and on appeal by the Regional Court of Munich (Landgericht München) b	Jun 27 16:32
One_	Mrs. Bergot continued their persecution of Mr. Corcoran. Ignoring that the reputation of the EPO is based on its superior quality Mr. Battistelli ordered a continuous target raise which led to a remarkable 40% increase of granted patents in one year (2016 vs 2015) but also to complaints regarding the consequent decreasing quality.	Jun 27 16:33
One_	Not entirely unselfish, Mr. Battistelli and his right hand, Mrs. Bergot, implemented a system of bonuses such that the deserving examiners got 3000 EUR at the end of the year while the top management (directors excluded) got a three-month bonus (60,000-75,000 EUR).	Jun 27 16:33
One_	Vengeful, megalomaniac, paranoid, power and money greedy, corrupt and lacking any management skills, Mr. Battistelli leaves behind a toxic culture of management by fear, incompetence, cronyism, nepotism and an office where the depressed examiners and directors despise the top managers and hope, maybe in vain, that the axe will soon fall upon Mr. Battistelli´s minions still left behind after his departure (with Elodie Bergot as a m	Jun 27 16:33
One_	involved in the institutional harrassment of the staff representatives). An office once highly respected, now a shade of itself, marred by institutional abuses and in the crossfire of its users for its declining quality. Let´s hope Mr. Campinos will remove the critical Battistelli appointments and restore the EPO to the respectable office which it once was.	Jun 27 16:34
One_	PS The latest ILOAT decisions are a slap in the face of the “Battistelli system”. In imperial Japan Battistelli, Bergot and the rest involved in the harrassment of the staff representatives would´ve committed, or would´ve been asked to commit, seppuku.	Jun 27 16:34
One_	That´s it. A goodbye to Battistelli.	Jun 27 16:35
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schestowitz	thanks	Jun 27 16:40
MinceR	lol	Jun 27 16:41
MinceR	mail over irc	Jun 27 16:42
schestowitz	maybe mail	Jun 27 16:46
schestowitz	I don't know	Jun 27 16:46
schestowitz	but it's OK for anonymity	Jun 27 16:46
schestowitz	if a public connection is used	Jun 27 16:46
schestowitz	I managed to seam together some bits	Jun 27 16:47
schestowitz	had to guess missing part, but oh well	Jun 27 16:47
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TuringDevice	Hello	Jun 27 20:15
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TuringDevice	you have more problems then I do nugget	Jun 27 20:18
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/wVLSFfh	Jun 27 21:22
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cubexyz	XRevan86, what did linux use before dhcpcd?	Jun 27 22:58
cubexyz	I noticed that FC1 doesn't have it	Jun 27 22:58
cubexyz	wasn't it called dhcpd before?	Jun 27 22:59
XRevan86	cubexyz: Um, dhcpcd wasn't ever really mainstream	Jun 27 22:59
XRevan86	cubexyz: Maybe you're confusing it with dhclient	Jun 27 23:00
MinceR	wasn't dhcpd a dhcp server? dhcpcd is a client :>	Jun 27 23:01
cubexyz	yes, but why did slack use dhcpcd instead of dhcpd?	Jun 27 23:02
cubexyz	oh wait... I think I get it now	Jun 27 23:02
XRevan86	dhcpd is isc-dhcp-server	Jun 27 23:02
XRevan86	dhclient is isc-dhcp-client	Jun 27 23:02
XRevan86	to spice things up, there's also kea-dhcp :)	Jun 27 23:03
cubexyz	ok, but what did FC1 use? there's no dhclient or dhcpd process	Jun 27 23:04
cubexyz	but it must use dhcpd right?	Jun 27 23:06
XRevan86	cubexyz: no, unless you want it to be a router	Jun 27 23:07
cubexyz	oh... right	Jun 27 23:07
XRevan86	FC1 had a dhcp package, as I see in the archive	Jun 27 23:09
XRevan86	> Source0: ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/dhcp/dhcp-%{version}.tar.gz	Jun 27 23:09
XRevan86	* srcpackage	Jun 27 23:09
XRevan86	which provides two packages: dhclient and dhcp	Jun 27 23:09
XRevan86	cubexyz: So… it's probably dhclient	Jun 27 23:11
cubexyz	ok, I guess my next question is why does slack run dhcpcd by default if I don't need it	Jun 27 23:11
XRevan86	cubexyz: My uneducated guess would be that maybe they use it to configure networking	Jun 27 23:12
XRevan86	dhcpcd can do that	Jun 27 23:12
XRevan86	https://wiki.voidlinux.eu/Network_Configuration like that	Jun 27 23:12
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MinceR	maybe because you didn't untick it in the installer when it asked you what services you wanted to start automatically :>	Jun 27 23:12
MinceR	though i don't see rc.dhc*	Jun 27 23:13
MinceR	so maybe networkmangler is running?	Jun 27 23:13
XRevan86	So dhcpcd is one distro-agnostic way of configuring networking	Jun 27 23:13
cubexyz	ok, so there's two different clients... dhcpcd and dhclient	Jun 27 23:13
cubexyz	openbsd uses dhclient	Jun 27 23:14
XRevan86	for those who don't want NetworkManager or systemd-networkd %)	Jun 27 23:14
XRevan86	cubexyz: Like I said, most use dhclient.	Jun 27 23:14
XRevan86	Why – dunno	Jun 27 23:14
XRevan86	https://github.com/CumulusNetworks/ifupdown2 I wonder if this needs anything Debian-specific…	Jun 27 23:15
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cubexyz	but shouldn't I see the dhclient process on FC1?	Jun 27 23:15
XRevan86	cubexyz: You should…	Jun 27 23:15
MinceR	what does this say? >> ps auxw\|grep dhc	Jun 27 23:15
MinceR	rather, ps auxw\|grep [d]hc	Jun 27 23:16
cubexyz	wait XRevan86 what if I use static ip?	Jun 27 23:16
MinceR	then you don't need a dhcp client	Jun 27 23:16
XRevan86	cubexyz: Then no :)	Jun 27 23:16
MinceR	and you probably won't be running one :>	Jun 27 23:16
cubexyz	that must be the answer :)	Jun 27 23:16
XRevan86	cubexyz: Obviously you won't need a DHCP client then %)	Jun 27 23:16
cubexyz	I forget I did that	Jun 27 23:16
XRevan86	dhcpcd will run though, but, like I said, it can configure network too	Jun 27 23:17
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/4hTKTNy	Jun 27 23:17
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XRevan86	MinceR: Because that's the image Western media suggested and traditionalised?	Jun 27 23:18
cubexyz	is there a discrete process that handles all the tcp/ip stuff?	Jun 27 23:18
MinceR	it's a stupid image	Jun 27 23:19
XRevan86	cubexyz: Yes, it's called Linux %)	Jun 27 23:19
XRevan86	not really a process though	Jun 27 23:19
XRevan86	cubexyz: dhcpcd will create a process, but that's because it's not just a network configurator but a dhcp daemon too :)	Jun 27 23:20
XRevan86	I think in the process of explaining dhcpcd I explained why most distros don't use it	Jun 27 23:20
cubexyz	I seem to remember a LKM called tulip that did ethernet stuff	Jun 27 23:25
XRevan86	Anyway, actual configuration in modern GNU/Linux systems is done via iproute2	Jun 27 23:26
XRevan86	which is a successor of net-tools	Jun 27 23:26
cubexyz	no doubt FC1 used net-tools	Jun 27 23:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: Indeed.	Jun 27 23:26
XRevan86	ifconfig, netstat, all that	Jun 27 23:26
cubexyz	so that is all obsolete now?	Jun 27 23:27
XRevan86	cubexyz: Yes, in favour of ip and ss	Jun 27 23:27
XRevan86	respectively	Jun 27 23:27
XRevan86	and all that :)	Jun 27 23:27
XRevan86	cubexyz: At the time of me writing this message, it is still very much possible to use deprecated stuff from net-tools, but it's discouraged.	Jun 27 23:35
XRevan86	probably will be around for compatibility reasons for a long time	Jun 27 23:36
XRevan86	much like the freshly deprecated iptables :)	Jun 27 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012105591861465089	Jun 28 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/FSF: GNU dbm, GnuCash, GNU Spotlight and EUPL	Jun 28 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Kfsr7ZuXGU (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 00:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012109511186898945	Jun 28 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	AV Linux Audio/Video Creation OS Now Offers Better	Jun 28 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	Support for AMD Radeon GPUs	Jun 28 00:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/i62kAD07Cp (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 00:09
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 00:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012110417961914368	Jun 28 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	Security-Oriented #AlpineLinux Can Now Be Installed on	Jun 28 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+	Jun 28 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FoW5fgvKaP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 00:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012111380038737921	Jun 28 00:15
TweetTuxMachines	Introducing debos, a versatile images generator	Jun 28 00:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5VxRuA1WIQ (www.tuxmachines.org) #debos	Jun 28 00:15
TweetTuxMachines	#debian	Jun 28 00:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012112028125810688	Jun 28 00:23
TweetTuxMachines	Expandable, Apollo Lake based #MintBox Mini 2 starts at	Jun 28 00:23
TweetTuxMachines	$299	Jun 28 00:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RgPJEX6WyS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 00:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012114294845165569	Jun 28 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	Mozilla: Firefox 62.0 Beta, Firefox 62.1 Stable, and More	Jun 28 00:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/BGrEdbtVzt (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 00:27
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 00:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012115074885062657	Jun 28 00:36
TweetTuxMachines	#Google doubles down on #Linux and open source	Jun 28 00:36
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HmgmK75JNV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 00:36
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012117325850595328	Jun 28 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	Openwashing With APIs	Jun 28 00:40
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/GdIWaTLIFD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 00:40
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cubexyz	it will be interesting to hear what the freedos devs are going to do about intel ending CSM	Jun 28 00:47
cubexyz	of course there's always qemu, xdosemu, dosbox etc	Jun 28 00:48
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cubexyz	maybe FPGA's will be fast enough... eventually	Jun 28 00:51
schestowitz	#Systemd Portable Services	Jun 28 00:58
schestowitz	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/113027	Jun 28 00:58
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cubexyz	did you see the comments on phoronix?	Jun 28 01:02
schestowitz	no	Jun 28 01:05
schestowitz	I rarely look	Jun 28 01:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012123022910779394	Jun 28 01:13
TweetTuxMachines	#Systemd Portable Services	Jun 28 01:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kK4Nv85foj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 01:13
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schestowitz	cubexyz: can you quote some?	Jun 28 01:13
cubexyz	"revenge of the blob" comes to mind	Jun 28 01:13
cubexyz	I'll defer to:	Jun 28 01:14
cubexyz	http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd#Poor_design	Jun 28 01:15
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cubexyz	just comments like "bloatware" and "blob" and "piss on something"	Jun 28 01:15
cubexyz	the usual	Jun 28 01:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012126549389266945	Jun 28 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	Software: Graphical Git Clients for Linux, Internet Forum	Jun 28 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	Software, Calamares and NetworkManager	Jun 28 01:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FWNXPjtKDV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 01:16
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 01:16
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cubexyz	I mean it's supposed to be an init system, not some all-encompassing blob	Jun 28 01:17
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cubexyz	here's a good one:	Jun 28 01:18
cubexyz	"Can't wait for systemd to create UpdateD to automatically update the system for you without asking even if you want to or not. Just like windows."	Jun 28 01:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012127534115446784	Jun 28 01:18
TweetTuxMachines	Programming: Flutter, Pusher and Clojure	Jun 28 01:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/i7M5uAzSwn (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 01:18
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 01:18
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schestowitz	cubexyz: first it needs to do package management	Jun 28 01:20
schestowitz	then a deamon for it	Jun 28 01:20
schestowitz	daemon	Jun 28 01:20
cubexyz	also oiaohm is in the mix	Jun 28 01:22
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cubexyz	fears of rebranding and feature creep	Jun 28 01:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012128065814712322	Jun 28 01:23
TweetTuxMachines	Server: 'DevOps', OpenStack and Kubernetes	Jun 28 01:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/s1phgCYQmw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 01:24
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cubexyz	"Not invented Here" so Lennart has to rename everything	Jun 28 01:24
cubexyz	it's pretty much a schism	Jun 28 01:27
cubexyz	systemd vs anti-systemd	Jun 28 01:27
schestowitz	my machines that get systemd are fed performancewise, not sure why	Jun 28 01:30
schestowitz	same machines	Jun 28 01:30
schestowitz	take ages to boot	Jun 28 01:30
schestowitz	very slow	Jun 28 01:30
schestowitz	run out of RAM fast	Jun 28 01:30
cubexyz	you're saying your systemd boxes are slower?	Jun 28 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012129346553896961	Jun 28 01:31
TweetTuxMachines	Goodbye, #Microsoft : Deleting #Github and #Azure	Jun 28 01:31
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/x3y58HgAUu (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 01:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012131293243625472	Jun 28 01:51
TweetTuxMachines	Cockpit 171	Jun 28 01:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/qpg7Xw11S8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 01:51
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 01:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012136349317689345	Jun 28 02:02
TweetTuxMachines	OSS: FOSS Backstage, Reliance Jio, Hortonworks, Open	Jun 28 02:02
TweetTuxMachines	Source Directory Services, Enso	Jun 28 02:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SpT3UHO4WH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 02:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012138997810855936	Jun 28 02:07
TweetTuxMachines	Security: Updates, Efail, Reproducible Builds, Bugs, WPA,	Jun 28 02:07
TweetTuxMachines	Firefox	Jun 28 02:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bPMLoaS3e2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 02:07
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 02:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security: Updates, Efail, Reproducible Builds, Bugs, WPA, Firefox \| Tux Machines		Jun 28 02:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012140302403035141	Jun 28 02:07
TweetTuxMachines	Is #FreeBSD faster than Linux?	Jun 28 02:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/m4lEtq13nM (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 02:07
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 02:07
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*TweetTuxMachines @freebsd_bot retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Is #FreeBSD faster than Linux? https://t.co/m4lEtq13nM...'		Jun 28 02:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012142946018365440	Jun 28 02:18
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos	Jun 28 02:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3XpfQQyfmF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 02:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Smoolak/status/1012143186746265601	Jun 28 02:28
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Goodbye, #Microsoft : Deleting #Github and #Azure	Jun 28 02:28
TweetTuxMachines	@Smoolak https://t.co/x3y58HgAUu (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 02:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012145418279546880	Jun 28 02:28
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers	Jun 28 02:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mCLcNF2AVS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 02:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012145448541458434	Jun 28 02:29
TweetTuxMachines	Debian: #Debian Perl Sprint 2018, Cryptsetup and More on	Jun 28 02:29
TweetTuxMachines	Tails Release	Jun 28 02:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HY3TsSfnrV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 02:29
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 02:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012145961907388417	Jun 28 02:47
TweetTuxMachines	#KDE Development and KDAB in European Events	Jun 28 02:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ttnVzn7lvD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 02:47
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TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 02:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012150322842755072	Jun 28 02:49
TweetTuxMachines	Linux app support is coming to at least 18 more	Jun 28 02:49
TweetTuxMachines	#Chromebooks	Jun 28 02:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/JFJMCxCaqf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 02:49
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 02:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux app support is coming to at least 18 more Chromebooks \| Tux Machines		Jun 28 02:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012150902243889152	Jun 28 02:51
TweetTuxMachines	Latest on TLBleed	Jun 28 02:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/soyxBkHJIy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 02:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012151320420257792	Jun 28 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	Latest Openwashing Examples in the News	Jun 28 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fFMYzu7hY4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 03:03
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schestowitz	cubexyz: yes	Jun 28 03:46
schestowitz	and they eat up HDD i/o resources	Jun 28 03:46
cubexyz	ok, it seems I'm on the right track avoiding systemd then	Jun 28 03:47
cubexyz	well, at least mostly	Jun 28 03:47
cubexyz	the chromebook might have it via crouton	Jun 28 03:48
DaemonFC	"Can't wait for systemd to create UpdateD to automatically update the system for you without asking even if you want to or not. Just like windows."	Jun 28 04:00
DaemonFC	GNOME Software insists on a reboot for updates, whether they need one or not. That's why I just update software with dnf instead.	Jun 28 04:00
DaemonFC	I'll reboot eventually.	Jun 28 04:00
DaemonFC	https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/06/24/the-hidden-index-bubble.aspx	Jun 28 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Hidden Index Bubble -- The Motley Fool		Jun 28 04:01
DaemonFC	Not that hidden. It's there if you look. Most people don't look and just shovel their money into the funds.	Jun 28 04:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012154723594629120	Jun 28 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	Red Hat News: BPM Suite, Defense Department, CoreOS,	Jun 28 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	"DevOps 2.0”	Jun 28 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/AyALPEjbLq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 04:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012177658208292864	Jun 28 04:48
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers https://t.co/0cJlNHwt65	Jun 28 04:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012180745702473728	Jun 28 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	Games: The Paradox Launcher and Dead Cells	Jun 28 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NbtonMtjpZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 04:49
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 28 04:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012181107100528640	Jun 28 04:50
TweetTuxMachines	#Sailfish in PDAs	Jun 28 04:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wxkekkdX1U (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 04:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012181383987548161	Jun 28 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	today's leftovers	Jun 28 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/uCUwLh0Ibm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 04:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012183308564860928	Jun 28 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	Links 27/6/2018: Supercomputers All GNU/Linux,	Jun 28 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	Kubernetes 1.11, Plasma 5.13.2 https://t.co/3z1mxf8RCt	Jun 28 05:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1012193968480751616	Jun 28 05:48
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Links 27/6/2018: Supercomputers All GNU/Linux,	Jun 28 05:48
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz Kubernetes 1.11, Plasma 5.13.2 https://t.co/3z1mxf8RCt	Jun 28 05:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/OverlordTha/status/1012195963266654208	Jun 28 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Links 27/6/2018: Supercomputers All GNU/Linux,	Jun 28 06:10
TweetTuxMachines	@OverlordTha Kubernetes 1.11, Plasma 5.13.2 https://t.co/3z1mxf8RCt	Jun 28 06:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/The_Code_Shirts/status/1012201526998196224	Jun 28 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Links 27/6/2018: Supercomputers All GNU/Linux,	Jun 28 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts Kubernetes 1.11, Plasma 5.13.2 https://t.co/3z1mxf8RCt	Jun 28 06:47
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/E4EFNuG	Jun 28 07:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When you stop paying attention for less than a second - Album on Imgur		Jun 28 07:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Septor_Linux/status/1012219920225112064	Jun 28 07:49
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Links 27/6/2018: Supercomputers All GNU/Linux,	Jun 28 07:49
TweetTuxMachines	@Septor_Linux Kubernetes 1.11, Plasma 5.13.2 https://t.co/3z1mxf8RCt	Jun 28 07:49
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schestowitz	lol, MinceR	Jun 28 07:50
schestowitz	that face	Jun 28 07:50
schestowitz	needs a source effect	Jun 28 07:50
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TweetTuxMachines	Toward a fully reproducible Debian	Jun 28 08:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HBbeZp7iDF (www.tuxmachines.org) #debian	Jun 28 08:02
TweetTuxMachines	#gnu #linux #security	Jun 28 08:02
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XRevan86	My systemd and my OpenRC machines both work well.	Jun 28 09:32
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schestowitz	MinceR: systemd personified	Jun 28 14:03
MinceR	i downgraded a work vm from ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 (and as such, from GNU/Linux to systemd/Linux) -- it is, of course, an unmitigated disaster	Jun 28 14:11
schestowitz	unames -a	Jun 28 14:11
schestowitz	unamed	Jun 28 14:11
XRevan86	My better experience could be due to me ignoring Ubuntu and RHEL/CentOS/Fedora.	Jun 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012323474361192450	Jun 28 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	13 Linux Terminal Shortcuts Every Power Linux User Must	Jun 28 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	Know https://t.co/ugXMeQaDgs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 14:23
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TweetTuxMachines	The #KDE e.V. Community Report for 2017 is now available	Jun 28 15:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012345952286511105	Jun 28 15:46
TweetTuxMachines	ARM and ReiserFS in Linux	Jun 28 15:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/WTAopPkjAF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 15:46
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DaemonFC	ReiserFS is a dead end.	Jun 28 15:51
DaemonFC	It's going to have to be dropped eventually.	Jun 28 15:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012346431540252673	Jun 28 15:58
TweetTuxMachines	Games and Graphics Leftover	Jun 28 15:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FI0OaCnkVm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 15:58
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: yeah, I suppose so	Jun 28 15:58
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XRevan86	DaemonFC: Are you talking about Reiser3 or Reiser4?	Jun 28 15:59
XRevan86	it applies to both, I guess	Jun 28 15:59
DaemonFC	Reiser4 is never going in and Reiser3 sucks and is aging poorly.	Jun 28 16:00
DaemonFC	Namesys left a lot of Reiser3 problems open stating that the fix would be to reformat and use Reiser4, so there are known data loss issues that have never been fixed, and it's a 32-bit file system, which will eventually cause data keeping problems. Also, this stops it from scaling.	Jun 28 16:02
DaemonFC	They'd have to do a major rework of Reiser3 and it's not gonna happen.	Jun 28 16:02
DaemonFC	All newly formatted Ext4 volumes have been the 64-bit version for quite some time now.	Jun 28 16:02
XRevan86	> All newly formatted Ext4 volumes have been the 64-bit version for quite some time now.	Jun 28 16:03
XRevan86	Hm, how to check? :)	Jun 28 16:03
DaemonFC	And there are mount options for dealing with comically huge files and partitions.	Jun 28 16:03
DaemonFC	https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2168993&page=2&p=12961605#post12961605	Jun 28 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuforums.org \| ext4 check if 32bit or 64bit - Page 2		Jun 28 16:06
DaemonFC	*date keeping issues	Jun 28 16:07
DaemonFC	32-bit time is not good enough anymore.	Jun 28 16:08
DaemonFC	Granted we're still a ways off from where it stops being able to do time and date stamps, but it's already causing trouble for software that has to deal with dates that are 15 or 30 years out, like financial software that figures out mortgage rates.	Jun 28 16:09
XRevan86	DaemonFC: Huh, doesn't show me "64bit"	Jun 28 16:11
XRevan86	and my ext4's are pretty fresh	Jun 28 16:11
DaemonFC	I think that e2fsprogs was changed about a year ago.	Jun 28 16:12
XRevan86	DaemonFC: Maybe now it'll show "32bit" instead?	Jun 28 16:12
DaemonFC	resize2fs can convert an existing file system, according to the release notes	Jun 28 16:13
DaemonFC	E2fsprogs 1.43 (May 17, 2016)	Jun 28 16:15
DaemonFC	Mke2fs will now create file systems with the metadata_csum and 64bit features enabled by default.	Jun 28 16:15
DaemonFC	So....about 2 years since this became the default.	Jun 28 16:15
DaemonFC	As long as the file system was created with "default" options by a distribution with esfsprogs 1.43 or later, it's definitely 64-bit.	Jun 28 16:16
DaemonFC	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-1710-x8664&num=1	Jun 28 16:17
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DaemonFC	Anyone still using 32-bit OS on 64-bit hardware should knock it off.	Jun 28 16:17
DaemonFC	There's still a few out there.	Jun 28 16:17
XRevan86	DaemonFC: What about a VPS with 64M? %)	Jun 28 16:18
DaemonFC	I wish that Fedora would go ahead and declare IA-32 obsolete and drop it.	Jun 28 16:19
DaemonFC	The i686 packages can be built with SSE 2 support at that point and would run better for people who need them on a 64-bit system.	Jun 28 16:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012349367703998468	Jun 28 16:24
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos	Jun 28 16:24
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TweetTuxMachines	Desktop: #MintBox Mini 2, Linux Mint and Chromebooks	Jun 28 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/WCRDNxVOro (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 16:26
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DaemonFC	The Mint Box Mini 2 is built in Israel. I won't consider any of their products unless they find a different supplier.	Jun 28 16:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012356475342159872	Jun 28 16:28
TweetTuxMachines	Servers: TOP500, Kubernetes, Blockchain, and 'DevOps'	Jun 28 16:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/J8QSTtKz4Y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 16:28
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XRevan86	DaemonFC: What's wrong with that?	Jun 28 16:28
DaemonFC	They need to be punished for what they do. My government may prop Israel up, but I don't have to with my discretionary spending.	Jun 28 16:29
DaemonFC	Without the money and weapons from the US, Israel would be gone in a matter of weeks.	Jun 28 16:29
DaemonFC	We give them all kinds of free shit and then "God protects them, herp derp!".	Jun 28 16:29
*XRevan86 is suddenly afraid to do business, being in Russia %)		Jun 28 16:30
MinceR	god is money :>	Jun 28 16:30
DaemonFC	They're basically getting trillions of our tax dollars while they commit horrible human rights abuses and millions of Americans are homeless.	Jun 28 16:30
schestowitz	DaemonFC: France used to give it to them, and UK and others still do	Jun 28 16:31
schestowitz	Even is the US government stopped the flow, US oligarchs would still donate and weapons bought from, e.g. Russia, in addition to what they make there (there's a large domestic industry for that)	Jun 28 16:32
DaemonFC	We're always talking about how America's full, go home. We're broke, so horribly broke, now get your bum ass out of the food stamp office.	Jun 28 16:32
DaemonFC	But the money for Israel is a bottomless pit. Strange how that works.	Jun 28 16:33
schestowitz	'Strategic'... for politicians	Jun 28 16:33
schestowitz	to get the support they need, like campaign contributions, media support, etc. Same for Saudi Arabia.	Jun 28 16:33
schestowitz	Ron Paul stepped out of that, Green Party also	Jun 28 16:33
XRevan86	DaemonFC: But what about regular workers from there? Would you want to punish them too?	Jun 28 16:34
schestowitz	The idea is to create a strain for them not to vote for criminals	Jun 28 16:36
schestowitz	Worked in South Africa, I think	Jun 28 16:37
XRevan86	schestowitz: Doesn't work here.	Jun 28 16:37
schestowitz	In Russia no	Jun 28 16:37
schestowitz	The sanctions have not helped remove Putin	Jun 28 16:37
schestowitz	They arguably made him stronger	Jun 28 16:37
schestowitz	Created the impression of "outside enemy" and Putin is the one the enemy fears most	Jun 28 16:38
XRevan86	schestowitz: Indeed, they've reminded about the foreign enemy.	Jun 28 16:38
DaemonFC	Ron Paul was kind of out there, but like many politicians that go in wanting to reform, they find out that it's a waste of time because nothing changes. They can devote their entire life to Congress and get nothing done.	Jun 28 16:38
DaemonFC	The system is set up that way.	Jun 28 16:38
XRevan86	And the (cold-ish) war mentality even helps making people more patient with internal problems.	Jun 28 16:39
DaemonFC	It's getting harder to tell if voting is worthwhile.	Jun 28 16:39
DaemonFC	Some rich criminals like the Republicans and some like the Democrats.	Jun 28 16:40
DaemonFC	I guess I vote for Democrats because of gay marriage and legal pot, which they've "evolved" on.	Jun 28 16:40
DaemonFC	But for the most part, they've both gotten much worse in the last 20 years.	Jun 28 16:40
XRevan86	like, we know that the city hall is full of corrupt pigs, but if we start shaking the boat, then those abroad will get us when we're most vulnerable	Jun 28 16:40
XRevan86	something like that	Jun 28 16:40
XRevan86	DaemonFC: I think I'd vote Green if I were a US citizen.	Jun 28 16:41
DaemonFC	Illinois passed a landmark abortion law last year, expanding coverage to any woman on Medicaid or state employee insurance.	Jun 28 16:41
DaemonFC	It will take a while to see the benefits, but over the next 20 years, crime and poverty will drop sharply because of that.	Jun 28 16:42
DaemonFC	Instead of promoting the cycle of poverty, women can get on with their lives, pursue an education, and decide whether they want kids later, when and if they're better off than they were now.	Jun 28 16:43
schestowitz	the US needs a cycle of poverty	Jun 28 16:43
schestowitz	needs as in the oligarchs need it	Jun 28 16:43
schestowitz	those who live the American Dream	Jun 28 16:44
schestowitz	In the UK they call it "underclass"	Jun 28 16:44
schestowitz	people who would do anything for you: work weekends even	Jun 28 16:44
DaemonFC	There are areas of Chicago where the youth unemployment rat is as high as some failed nations in the EU, like Spain, Italy, and Greece.	Jun 28 16:44
XRevan86	BTW, have you heard about the latest controversy in Russia? The so-called pension reform.	Jun 28 16:44
schestowitz	foreign fruit pickers for instance	Jun 28 16:44
schestowitz	or people who work with toxic material	Jun 28 16:44
DaemonFC	*rate	Jun 28 16:44
schestowitz	" youth unemployment rat"	Jun 28 16:44
schestowitz	yeah	Jun 28 16:44
DaemonFC	The EU is going to unravel because you have these countries that are not exactly a great match for each other, and some are being horribly victimized by others.	Jun 28 16:45
schestowitz	I saw two rats today	Jun 28 16:45
schestowitz	while cycling in the canel	Jun 28 16:45
schestowitz	while cycling in the canal	Jun 28 16:45
XRevan86	I was reminded of it by remembering how people like the US pension system :)	Jun 28 16:45
schestowitz	one was swimming, then I thought.... wait a second, doesn't look like fish	Jun 28 16:45
DaemonFC	Germany is exploiting the single market and the Euro for its own benefit. Running huge trade surpluses and exporting its unemployment elsewhere in the EU.	Jun 28 16:45
DaemonFC	And loading up other EU countries with crippling debt and forced austerity packages that only make things worse.	Jun 28 16:46
DaemonFC	The EU is a relationship between predators and prey.	Jun 28 16:46
DaemonFC	The more you look at it, the more this becomes obvious.	Jun 28 16:47
XRevan86	DaemonFC: What a great time for Ukraine to join the party :)	Jun 28 16:47
DaemonFC	The relationship between US states is dysfunctional sometimes, but not like it is within the EU nations.	Jun 28 16:48
DaemonFC	What's going on in the EU would be as if the US tried attacking a few of its own states and telling them to live within their means while the rest of the country lives it up and spends and spends and implements policies that lead to disaster and blames those states for all of it.	Jun 28 16:49
DaemonFC	If the people of the EU nations actually had a single identity, this wouldn't be happening.	Jun 28 16:49
XRevan86	schestowitz: Were they happy there? :)	Jun 28 16:50
DaemonFC	The problem is that they are in a single market and underneath the EU umbrella, and still they treat each other with great hostility and the neighbors are only there to be taken advantage of because they're on hard times.	Jun 28 16:51
DaemonFC	So the experiment can only fail.	Jun 28 16:51
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2017/12/31/epo-money-diagram/	Jun 28 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Raw: The European Patent Office (EPO) is a Cash Cow of Germany \| Techrights		Jun 28 16:51
schestowitz	[16:50] <XRevan86> schestowitz: Were they happy there? :)	Jun 28 16:52
schestowitz	Seems to, it's far from homes	Jun 28 16:52
DaemonFC	Yes, it only benefits the strong. France and Germany are sucking the guts out of the others.	Jun 28 16:52
DaemonFC	If the EU goes away, Germany will immediately go into a steep recession.	Jun 28 16:53
schestowitz	not sure	Jun 28 16:53
schestowitz	they still have much of the manufacturing	Jun 28 16:53
DaemonFC	Yeah, but they load up other countries with debt so their exports keep chugging along now.	Jun 28 16:58
DaemonFC	The idea is to keep this game going as long as they can before it ends. And they're essentially betting that the countries that they are feeding off of won't do a sovereign default.	Jun 28 16:58
DaemonFC	schestowitz: It's sort of like how every other country is treating the US right now.	Jun 28 16:59
DaemonFC	With the major exception being Canada, where our trade is roughly balanced and responsible.	Jun 28 17:00
DaemonFC	I strongly suspect that the people who run these businesses that depend on globalization will do just about anything to get Trump out of office because they're not going to sit there and do nothing while he implements trade barriers that crush out their foreign markets.	Jun 28 17:01
DaemonFC	They're going to pile support behind some business Democrats that they can live with for a few years.	Jun 28 17:02
DaemonFC	That's EXACTLY what happened in Alabama. The Senate race. All this money comes pouring in from out of state.	Jun 28 17:03
DaemonFC	They're beginning to realize that Trump isn't good for them and there's going to be a recession soon, if we aren't already in one now.	Jun 28 17:04
DaemonFC	They revised the 1Q GDP down again. It was 2.3% on an annualized basis, then 2.2%. Now 2%.	Jun 28 17:04
DaemonFC	The S&P 500 is only up 1% this year and we're nearly 7 months in.	Jun 28 17:05
DaemonFC	The yield curve is getting closer to inversion.	Jun 28 17:05
DaemonFC	The warning signs are beginning to show that we're in for at least a mild recession.	Jun 28 17:05
DaemonFC	The Atlanta Fed has a GDPNow projection, and it's not a great model. It starts out wicked high and gets revised down until the real numbers are out and not impressive at all. But by the time the actual numbers are in, nobody is paying attention anymore. There was a point where 1Q GDP was at 5% in the NowCast.	Jun 28 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012357076264288257	Jun 28 17:13
TweetTuxMachines	Software: MindForger, GPMDP, and Proprietary Exit	Jun 28 17:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jCyIItaNzz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 17:13
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XRevan86	https://www.exaile.org/2018/06/27/Exaile-4.0.0rc0-released	Jun 28 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.exaile.org \| Exaile 4.0.0-rc0 released! · Exaile		Jun 28 18:34
schestowitz	cheers, posted	Jun 28 19:42
schestowitz	only RC, not a major project	Jun 28 19:42
schestowitz	it was big around 2008	Jun 28 19:42
DaemonFC	According to Trump, the US is turning into Mad Max because of "illegal Mexicans", and he has Homeland Security investigating people selling counterfeit Metallica CDs out of their coat pockets on the bus instead.	Jun 28 19:44
*TweetTuxMachines @qezwan favourited 'AV Linux Audio/Video Creation OS Now Offers Better...'		Jun 28 19:49
schestowitz	Mad Max=Trump	Jun 28 19:51
schestowitz	Only older and dumber	Jun 28 19:51
schestowitz	Mad M.A.D.	Jun 28 19:51
XRevan86	schestowitz: Their previous release is practically unusable on modern distros, so I'm in that mentality that their betas and rc's are pretty much like actual releases :).	Jun 28 19:53
XRevan86	As that's what people actually got to use…	Jun 28 19:53
XRevan86	until 4.0.0 is released, of course	Jun 28 19:53
MinceR	M.A.D. Tank deployed.	Jun 28 20:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012407569967730688	Jun 28 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	Games: Kingdoms and Castles, Nimbatus - The Space Drone	Jun 28 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	Constructor and More	Jun 28 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/44M5YBVJDl (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 20:26
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/7nl60Td	Jun 28 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-You wouldn't download.... Batman! - GIF on Imgur		Jun 28 20:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012416917913600000	Jun 28 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers https://t.co/ziei3JYuES	Jun 28 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jun 28 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 28 20:54
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XRevan86	https://wired.com/story/elections-dont-work-at-all-you-can-blame-the-math	Jun 28 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Elections Don’t Work at All. You Can Blame the Math \| WIRED		Jun 28 20:54
MinceR	i blame the people	Jun 28 20:55
MinceR	also, this article is full of shit	Jun 28 21:16
MinceR	it blames theoretical issues with election systems that are used almost nowhere while simple distorted first-past-the-post systems help elect horrible villains all over the planet	Jun 28 21:17
MinceR	which then wreck society	Jun 28 21:17
XRevan86	> What’s the point of complexifying a straightforward election? The thing is, elections aren’t straightforward.	Jun 28 21:18
XRevan86	MinceR: It implies that even those attempts at fixing this horror are still not truly democratical.	Jun 28 21:20
XRevan86	as in, doesn't represent perfectly the preference of the society as a whole	Jun 28 21:20
MinceR	which would matter if the preference of the society wasn't primarily atrocious	Jun 28 21:21
MinceR	except even then it wouldn't matter	Jun 28 21:21
XRevan86	MinceR: You'd notice that most people want the same thing.	Jun 28 21:21
MinceR	because then you'd sometimes elect relatively decent person 2 or relatively decent person 3 instead of relatively decent person 1	Jun 28 21:21
XRevan86	but when they have to make a crappy choice, things get funky	Jun 28 21:21
MinceR	not sometimes elect barely human monster instead of second worst human being	Jun 28 21:22
XRevan86	MinceR: I guess you're talking about US presidential elections.	Jun 28 21:22
MinceR	not only	Jun 28 21:22
XRevan86	MinceR: People got into the notion that they have to pick one of the two "primary choices" in order to get the less evil one of the two to the seat.	Jun 28 21:23
MinceR	because that's what the system wired is defending does	Jun 28 21:24
XRevan86	I remember the day Trump was elected, news outlets noted that there was a percent of voters who didn't vote for either Hillary or Donald, and blamed them for it costing a victory for Clinton.	Jun 28 21:24
MinceR	and also because the usians are so utterly, horribly, incorrigibly moronic they made those two people the two most likely to win	Jun 28 21:24
XRevan86	My point is	Jun 28 21:25
XRevan86	people would'n've chosen neither in a true democracy	Jun 28 21:25
XRevan86	because they would'n've had the reason to play "the game"	Jun 28 21:26
MinceR	in a non-crapsack society it wouldn't even be "the game" in the first place	Jun 28 21:26
XRevan86	MinceR: Even the title says: "Elections don't work at all"	Jun 28 21:26
MinceR	abandoning elections won't help either	Jun 28 21:26
XRevan86	MinceR: not "Elections except the majorital vote don't work, y'all"	Jun 28 21:27
MinceR	letting the worst psychopath seize power through nondemocratic means won't be any better	Jun 28 21:27
XRevan86	MinceR: It all sucks.	Jun 28 21:27
MinceR	and you can't convince these simpletons that not having rulers would be better	Jun 28 21:27
XRevan86	MinceR: But at least it tells that people are not really in control.	Jun 28 21:28
MinceR	how so?	Jun 28 21:28
XRevan86	it's easy to shift the blame like "YOU helped Trump get his way"	Jun 28 21:28
MinceR	all this atrocity is the result of people's decisions and preferences	Jun 28 21:28
MinceR	life on earth sucks because earth is infested with humans and humans suck	Jun 28 21:28
XRevan86	MinceR: There's a famous pseudo-quote of Stalin	Jun 28 21:29
XRevan86	If there's a man, there's a problem, if there's no man, there's no problem.	Jun 28 21:29
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/2lFP2VZ	Jun 28 21:34
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XRevan86	MinceR: https://youtu.be/0qBlPa-9v_M also this	Jun 28 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Futurama - Bender's Dream (Kill All Humans) - YouTube		Jun 28 21:36
cubexyz	what you are actually saying is that antropocentrism is the problem	Jun 28 21:38
*XRevan86 thinks anthropocentrism is pretty dead as a way of life.		Jun 28 21:39
MinceR	EXTERMINATE!	Jun 28 21:39
cubexyz	a lot of that attitude is from the old testament	Jun 28 21:40
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLbwOGT8eM	Jun 28 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Extreminate! Every 'Exterminate' From Doctor Who - YouTube		Jun 28 21:40
cubexyz	"and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over all the cattle..." Genesis 1:26	Jun 28 21:41
XRevan86	MinceR: The plastic brightly coloured daleks are the worst.	Jun 28 21:41
MinceR	:)	Jun 28 21:41
cubexyz	animals and nature itself is seen as a resource to be consumed	Jun 28 21:42
XRevan86	cubexyz: … but keep in mind that you are all very much dependent on the health of the ecosystem.	Jun 28 21:42
XRevan86	We have to take care of nature if we want human-kind to prosper.	Jun 28 21:43
cubexyz	right, it is an artificial separation... humans are part of nature	Jun 28 21:44
XRevan86	thus, anthropocentrism becomes indistinguishable from ecocentrism or whatever	Jun 28 21:44
cubexyz	well, rationally yes	Jun 28 21:44
XRevan86	the only really different philosophy is egocentrism %)	Jun 28 21:44
cubexyz	but I'd say that currently people aren't thinking that far ahead	Jun 28 21:45
XRevan86	When some idiot thinks he/she is above humans and everything else alike.	Jun 28 21:45
XRevan86	cubexyz: self-comfort-don't-think-it-all-through-centrism?	Jun 28 21:46
cubexyz	really people have very bad resource management	Jun 28 21:48
cubexyz	combine that with manufacturers who make crap that can't be fixed and you have giant landfills of garbage, electronic waste and lots of other kinds of waste	Jun 28 21:48
XRevan86	cubexyz: The ancap paradise, that's how it looks %).	Jun 28 21:49
XRevan86	or a libertarian paradise	Jun 28 21:49
XRevan86	What I'm saying is that there should be a strict global regulation for that.	Jun 28 21:50
XRevan86	but the problem is in the word "global"…	Jun 28 21:51
XRevan86	If there's a country that doesn't care, it will get an unfair advantage of not caring about extra ecological hoops.	Jun 28 21:51
XRevan86	thus becoming economically superior to the regulated ones	Jun 28 21:52
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/nloRQQd	Jun 28 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Now you try!" - Album on Imgur		Jun 28 22:03
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DaemonFC	Google's page translate Russian to English has improved a lot.	Jun 28 23:27
DaemonFC	It still makes occasional mistakes, but it's not bad.	Jun 28 23:27
XRevan86	DaemonFC: What are you trying to translate? :)	Jun 28 23:28
DaemonFC	No comment. :P	Jun 28 23:29
XRevan86	DaemonFC: Nu ladno %).	Jun 28 23:30
cubexyz	not caring about the environment has a different cost	Jun 28 23:43
cubexyz	the EPA told Commodore semi-conductor to clean up its act	Jun 28 23:44
cubexyz	not long afterwards CSC goes out of business, and shortly after that Commodore itself disappears	Jun 28 23:45
DaemonFC	https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36355416_473138539796475_5139207572603011072_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=54570f86fa9851a082d3251a35db3657&oe=5BE21283	Jun 28 23:47
DaemonFC	I wonder where the "rape culture/you deserve to be believed" crowd has wandered off to.	Jun 28 23:48
cubexyz	it sounds like the police did believe him	Jun 28 23:51
cubexyz	the woman was charged	Jun 28 23:51
XRevan86	cubexyz: Apparently the problem the author has is with the wording the media outlet used.	Jun 28 23:53
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clickingsnotfun	Any news today?	Jun 29 00:13
clickingsnotfun	Later	Jun 29 00:14
XRevan86	http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-gazette-shooting-20180628-story.html this, I guess	Jun 29 00:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.baltimoresun.com \| Five dead, others 'gravely injured' in shooting at Capital Gazette newspaper in Annapolis - Baltimore Sun		Jun 29 00:15
XRevan86	The pension reform in Russia is still a boiling topic.	Jun 29 00:17
clickingsnotfun	I meant more with Linux, but sickening how often there are shootings.	Jun 29 00:17
XRevan86	The Russian Orthodox Church made a statement that this is of no concern to them. I don't know who actually asked them.	Jun 29 00:18
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Krita 4.1 was released today	Jun 29 00:19
XRevan86	and Python 3.7	Jun 29 00:19
XRevan86	Conversations 2.2.4 released recently, will hit F-Droid soon probably: https://github.com/siacs/Conversations/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#version-224	Jun 29 00:23
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XRevan86	OpenWrt 18.06 should be released soon, in a week.	Jun 29 00:34
XRevan86	https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/18.06.0-rc1/ the release candidate is there since 23rd of June	Jun 29 00:34
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XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Does that count?	Jun 29 00:35
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clickingsnotfun	Yup	Jun 29 00:57
clickingsnotfun	Thanks	Jun 29 00:59
clickingsnotfun	I used to use DD-WRT	Jun 29 01:00
clickingsnotfun	I think they are similar. :)	Jun 29 01:01
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XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Not that much.	Jun 29 01:10
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clickingsnotfun	Will have to look into them	Jun 29 01:20
clickingsnotfun	My current router is from my ISP, so cannot really mess with it.	Jun 29 01:23
XRevan86	clickingsnotfun: Routers are crazy cheap, why bother renting one?	Jun 29 01:27
cubexyz	most ISPs like to lock things down	Jun 29 02:35
cubexyz	free-nets let you use whatever DSL modem or router you want	Jun 29 02:35
clickingsnotfun	Have phone service through them as well.	Jun 29 02:58
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DaemonFC	https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/greatest-artists-of-the-_80s	Jun 29 03:14
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DaemonFC	Talking Heads at 44 and U2 at 7? You're wrong! You're fake news!	Jun 29 03:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012508775738216449	Jun 29 03:55
TweetTuxMachines	Graphics, Playback and Benchmarks https://t.co/9aXw5XipCb	Jun 29 03:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 03:55
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 03:55
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clickingsnotfun	Everything is fake news these days. :)	Jun 29 04:00
schestowitz	always?	Jun 29 04:00
schestowitz	I mean in past also?	Jun 29 04:00
schestowitz	many writers have an agenda	Jun 29 04:01
schestowitz	subjective	Jun 29 04:01
schestowitz	but pretending otherwise, some more than others	Jun 29 04:01
schestowitz	these days more people are aware of it	Jun 29 04:01
cubexyz	there was always some fake news	Jun 29 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012529915323969536	Jun 29 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	#LinuxMint 19 “Tara” Now Available to Download as	Jun 29 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	Cinnamon, MATE & Xfce Editions	Jun 29 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/AN1KsTKyGg (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 04:02
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 04:02
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cubexyz	read some of the propaganda during WWII	Jun 29 04:02
schestowitz	also satirical sites	Jun 29 04:02
cubexyz	or world war I for that matter	Jun 29 04:03
cubexyz	the stuff people write now is positively benign in comparison	Jun 29 04:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012531655263825921	Jun 29 04:07
TweetTuxMachines	Raspberry Pi 3 B+ wins hacker board reader survey	Jun 29 04:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/c4vDOVIKmC (www.tuxmachines.org) #raspi	Jun 29 04:07
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 04:07
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clickingsnotfun	Everyone has a bias that enters into their thinking… and writing.	Jun 29 04:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012532813088940032	Jun 29 04:10
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu and Linux Mint Leftovers	Jun 29 04:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/e8W9ZbTGg2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 04:10
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 04:10
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clickingsnotfun	And that of course includes you and I… and everyone else.	Jun 29 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012533680592572421	Jun 29 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	Talks/Events: @JonoBacon on Project Planning, Montreal	Jun 29 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	Debian & Stuff	Jun 29 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/LBJ3pos2Hc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 04:15
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Talks/Events: Jono Bacon on Project Planning, Montreal Debian & Stuff \| Tux Machines		Jun 29 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012538829859950592	Jun 29 04:34
TweetTuxMachines	GNOME: Nautilus, GUADEC, Maps, Adwaita and More	Jun 29 04:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/qEjBOTadkk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 04:34
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 04:34
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clickingsnotfun	OK, question to consider — what biases do you think you have?	Jun 29 04:38
clickingsnotfun	If nothing else, we are all biased based on our experience. The systems we use more we know more of what they can do.	Jun 29 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012539670658469888	Jun 29 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	KDE: Krita Refactoring, KDE Plasma 5.12.6, KDE's 2017	Jun 29 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	Community Report	Jun 29 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1SLBo1rZmm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 04:56
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 04:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012545193478905856	Jun 29 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos	Jun 29 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/C7W0tEESSn (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 05:02
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 05:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012546626106339328	Jun 29 05:04
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Foundation News/Leftovers	Jun 29 05:04
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bvX6N63Sx5 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 05:04
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 05:04
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schestowitz	clickingsnotfun: very true!	Jun 29 05:08
schestowitz	I'm glad more people accept it now	Jun 29 05:08
schestowitz	so they don't just vilify reporters for - gasp - having a side/opinion	Jun 29 05:09
schestowitz	like techeights	Jun 29 05:09
schestowitz	which never hid its 'biases'	Jun 29 05:09
schestowitz	"you're biased" says one who doesn't agree with you	Jun 29 05:09
schestowitz	not because you're wrong	Jun 29 05:09
schestowitz	"balance" is a fake notion for many things	Jun 29 05:09
schestowitz	like the balance that accepts the false, e.g. global warming not real	Jun 29 05:10
schestowitz	or SUEPO/EPO staff reps being guilty	Jun 29 05:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012547350835933185	Jun 29 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	Security: Fingerprinting, Extensible Unix, Gentoo Cracked	Jun 29 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	at GitHub, Debian Discusses Updates Integrity, Ticketing	Jun 29 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	Giants Cracked	Jun 29 05:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/b197AlpNra (twitter.com)	Jun 29 05:13
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*TweetTuxMachines @SoftpediaLinux favourited '#LinuxMint 19 “Tara” Now Available to Download as...'		Jun 29 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012553373437124608	Jun 29 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	#Gentoo Needs to #DeleteGitHub	Jun 29 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QbcfZPdlGY (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 05:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012556105149485057	Jun 29 05:41
TweetTuxMachines	Firefox: Widmer Brothers, Mozilla Firefox 62 and More	Jun 29 05:41
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/n1HrMCpSr2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 05:41
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 05:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox: Widmer Brothers, Mozilla Firefox 62 and More \| Tux Machines		Jun 29 05:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012556459169734656	Jun 29 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	Openwashing, FUD, and Entryism	Jun 29 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/d9xovQw3I7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 05:45
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 05:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Openwashing, FUD, and Entryism \| Tux Machines		Jun 29 05:45
clickingsnotfun	Just to make sure I understand your last comment, you think global warming NOT being real is false (you accept global warming).	Jun 29 06:26
clickingsnotfun	I think I get what you mean, just worded odd. :)	Jun 29 06:27
clickingsnotfun	And other than that largely agree.	Jun 29 06:28
clickingsnotfun	So what do you do to try to minimize your bias?	Jun 29 06:29
clickingsnotfun	Really what can any of us do?	Jun 29 06:33
schestowitz	you got me right	Jun 29 06:44
schestowitz	clickingsnotfun: critical skills	Jun 29 06:45
schestowitz	or more sources, opposing sides	Jun 29 06:45
schestowitz	I also read patent zealots' sites	Jun 29 06:45
schestowitz	I don't agree with them, but I know their bias is motivated by money	Jun 29 06:45
clickingsnotfun	Which makes sense. I very much seek to find and listen to opposing sides.	Jun 29 06:46
clickingsnotfun	I am NOT a Trump fan, but I speak to those who are.	Jun 29 06:46
schestowitz	It's hard	Jun 29 06:46
schestowitz	because:	Jun 29 06:46
schestowitz	1. many people haven't time	Jun 29 06:47
schestowitz	(back after work at night, TV switched on)	Jun 29 06:47
schestowitz	2. no balance	Jun 29 06:47
schestowitz	3. no critical skills	Jun 29 06:47
clickingsnotfun	And just difference in opinions.	Jun 29 06:47
schestowitz	they pick a 'tribe' like political party and find sites/channels that 'ring' true for this tribalism	Jun 29 06:47
schestowitz	not just politics	Jun 29 06:47
schestowitz	also sciences	Jun 29 06:47
clickingsnotfun	I respect much of what you say but I do not agree with it all.	Jun 29 06:47
schestowitz	like passionate anti-climate science people	Jun 29 06:48
clickingsnotfun	I tend to look at the science as a whole — if you look at just one or two studies that can be wrong.	Jun 29 06:48
clickingsnotfun	The bran fiber craze of the '80s was like that. One study.	Jun 29 06:48
clickingsnotfun	Same with the anti-vaxxers. One study that turned out to be faked.	Jun 29 06:49
clickingsnotfun	But if LOTS of studies from different people / sources come to similar agreements you can be confident there is something to it. That is what we have with climate change.	Jun 29 06:49
clickingsnotfun	I think people often jump to conclusions... I use a Mac more than I use Linux. Some assume this means I do not think Linux is any good or that I look down on people who use it, or think that the Mac has no flaws or Apple is somehow a magical company that does not wrong.	Jun 29 06:51
clickingsnotfun	Which is of course not at all true.	Jun 29 06:52
clickingsnotfun	And with that wall of text I am off to bed. :)	Jun 29 07:00
clickingsnotfun	Good night all.	Jun 29 07:00
clickingsnotfun	Not the way a Jeep can	Jun 29 07:12
clickingsnotfun	Sorry	Jun 29 07:13
clickingsnotfun	Wrong room	Jun 29 07:13
schestowitz	it's OK	Jun 29 07:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012557403043352576	Jun 29 07:22
TweetTuxMachines	Latest on #Crostini	Jun 29 07:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ErVWQSbdqZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 07:22
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/j0aCwGL	Jun 29 07:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012584234178043905	Jun 29 07:34
TweetTuxMachines	Releases: Kubernetes, DXVK, Exaile, Timesys, Alpine Linux	Jun 29 07:34
TweetTuxMachines	and SUSE Linux Enterprise	Jun 29 07:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/q2piuhxQFT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 07:34
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 07:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012585039442440192	Jun 29 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	Development: Debian, GalecinoCar, Stack vs Heap,	Jun 29 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	Development at Mastodon	Jun 29 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VagZbcQYS4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 07:36
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 07:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012585486815285249	Jun 29 07:37
TweetTuxMachines	OSS Leftovers	Jun 29 07:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pInm4KBXSN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 07:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012585885223866373	Jun 29 07:43
TweetTuxMachines	today's leftovers	Jun 29 07:43
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/cbzMnE9ykb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 07:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012587365297213440	Jun 29 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	Links 29/6/2018: Python 3.7.0, Google as Linux Foundation	Jun 29 07:55
TweetTuxMachines	Platinum Member https://t.co/fpkYUbs2fS (techrights.org)	Jun 29 07:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Septor_Linux/status/1012590256129040384	Jun 29 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #LinuxMint 19 “Tara” Now Available to Download as	Jun 29 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	@Septor_Linux Cinnamon, MATE & Xfce Editions	Jun 29 07:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/AN1KsTKyGg (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 07:56
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/hkEv9Fb	Jun 29 07:58
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18062726	Jun 29 08:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1012590568642433025	Jun 29 08:28
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Links 29/6/2018: Python 3.7.0, Google as Linux Foundation	Jun 29 08:28
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz Platinum Member https://t.co/fpkYUbs2fS (techrights.org)	Jun 29 08:28
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XRevan86	MinceR: Thanks to the comments, I know what the joke is	Jun 29 09:46
*XRevan86 knows that Dr. Seuss exists through Nostalgia Critic %).		Jun 29 09:46
XRevan86	cubexyz: I've never met an ISP that wasn't okay with a random router.	Jun 29 09:48
XRevan86	The typical kind of protection they all did is MAC address verification, probably to avoid MITM.	Jun 29 09:50
oiaohm	XRevan86: Mac address verification that not a problem for most of the routers I use that you can set Mac address in.	Jun 29 09:53
oiaohm	XRevan86: the fun of software defined Mac addresses.	Jun 29 09:53
XRevan86	oiaohm: Indeed.	Jun 29 09:57
XRevan86	I guess the point is in simply knowing the right MAC	Jun 29 09:58
oiaohm	XRevan86: most devices have it printed on the outside.	Jun 29 09:59
oiaohm	XRevan86: so MAC address validation on routers is one of the most simple to bipass.	Jun 29 10:00
oiaohm	XRevan86: ok some you have to set fake mac on PC then have router clone.	Jun 29 10:00
XRevan86	oiaohm: But an outsider who wants to tap into my wire will have to visit my apartment to get it	Jun 29 10:02
oiaohm	XRevan86: if it copper it is possible to tap in and clone.	Jun 29 10:05
oiaohm	XRevan86: fiber optic is far bit harder.	Jun 29 10:05
oiaohm	XRevan86: there is diagnostic hardware for ADSL; ADSL2; ADSL2+; READSL that you can put in copper line to monitor traffic for diagnostic and that can collect the mac addresses from both end.	Jun 29 10:09
oiaohm	XRevan86: this is not requiring to build anything just spend money.	Jun 29 10:09
XRevan86	Then I guess it's just security theatre…	Jun 29 10:10
oiaohm	The bit of hardware 200AUD.	Jun 29 10:10
oiaohm	So yes on copper MAC filtering is fairly much security theatre.	Jun 29 10:11
oiaohm	XRevan86: proper modens with proper encryption link up those are not security theatre.	Jun 29 10:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Sr_Kraken/status/1012598538461696005	Jun 29 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Firefox: Widmer Brothers, Mozilla Firefox 62 and More	Jun 29 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	@Sr_Kraken https://t.co/n1HrMCpSr2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 10:37
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XRevan86	> https://pleroma.site/notice/1626264	Jun 29 11:33
XRevan86	Um, GNOME uses its own GitLab instance.	Jun 29 11:33
XRevan86	GitHub is just a mirror of theirs.	Jun 29 11:34
MinceR	looks like it should be a new icon set, not "adwaita"	Jun 29 11:34
XRevan86	MinceR: They probably want to continue to keep the name in synch with their GTK+ theme Adwaita.	Jun 29 11:40
MinceR	they probably want to deprive their users of the choice of which they'll use	Jun 29 11:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Syswork/status/1012654083130429442	Jun 29 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by #LinuxMint 19 “Tara” Now Available to Download as	Jun 29 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	@Syswork Cinnamon, MATE & Xfce Editions	Jun 29 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/AN1KsTKyGg (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 12:08
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18062165	Jun 29 12:15
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18062112	Jun 29 12:31
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*TweetTuxMachines @Syswork favourited '#LinuxMint 19 “Tara” Now Available to Download as...'		Jun 29 12:39
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18062036	Jun 29 13:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012705239659511811	Jun 29 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	GitHub Repositories of Gentoo Linux Hacked!	Jun 29 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NHACOXJEY4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	#deletegithub	Jun 29 15:40
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 15:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012707159442800646	Jun 29 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Mint 19 Has Been Released [And It’s Awesome]	Jun 29 15:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wR5fLRLyE9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 15:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012710452021719046	Jun 29 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	Games: Techland, Doom: The Golden Souls 2, BFF or Die, I	Jun 29 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	Hate Running Backwards, Harvest Life	Jun 29 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3awmi2GgNo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 15:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @bamboo6003 favourited 'Firefox: Widmer Brothers, Mozilla Firefox 62 and More...'		Jun 29 16:00
*TweetTuxMachines @bffordie favourited 'Games: Techland, Doom: The Golden Souls 2, BFF...'		Jun 29 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012715098538946560	Jun 29 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	#Google invests $22 M in Linux-based mobile operating	Jun 29 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	system #KaiOS	Jun 29 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FNzHMq7Uda (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 16:18
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google invests $22 M in Linux-based mobile operating system KaiOS \| Tux Machines		Jun 29 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012716845466574848	Jun 29 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	Rewards of Up to $500,000 Offered for FreeBSD, OpenBSD,	Jun 29 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	NetBSD, Linux Zero-Days	Jun 29 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/89e2Ulx3gG (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd	Jun 29 16:42
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 16:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012722851001065472	Jun 29 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	An insider's look at drafting the #GPLv3 license	Jun 29 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/JRhxB7sayM (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 16:53
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| An insider's look at drafting the GPLv3 license \| Tux Machines		Jun 29 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012725589696970755	Jun 29 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	#Raspbian Update	Jun 29 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/b61ebLlhwc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 17:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Raspbian Update \| Tux Machines		Jun 29 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012727831963602944	Jun 29 17:05
TweetTuxMachines	4MLinux: More Than Just Another Lightweight Distro	Jun 29 17:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/EIggf0FSVI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 17:05
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schestowitz	Free media as Clinton understood (free of charge, for Trump, worth billions) https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/796222841612042240	Jun 29 17:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012728715342700544	Jun 29 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical/Ubuntu: Mir 0.32.0, 21 Things to do After	Jun 29 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	Installing Ubuntu 18.04 and Ubuntu-Friendly Hardware	Jun 29 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fehvD5R17e (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 17:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012733933539282944	Jun 29 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	Brave Does Tor	Jun 29 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/X3F0IoUfDn (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 17:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012734345113726976	Jun 29 17:34
TweetTuxMachines	PostgreSQL 11 Beta 2 Released	Jun 29 17:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HjCgIuE0dx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 17:34
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 17:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012735901263368193	Jun 29 17:37
TweetTuxMachines	#Xfce dock & global menu - Nice and elegant	Jun 29 17:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KrmguIcane (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 17:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012736735070052353	Jun 29 17:40
TweetTuxMachines	Security Leftovers	Jun 29 17:40
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3PPhqRGx2U (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 17:40
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jun 29 17:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012737460126744576	Jun 29 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	#LyX – A Powerful Open Source Document Processor for	Jun 29 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	Linux	Jun 29 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kWrNuG5wWC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 17:42
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LyX – A Powerful Open Source Document Processor for Linux \| Tux Machines		Jun 29 17:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012737976001015808	Jun 29 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos	Jun 29 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KgCInld5sR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 17:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012739596910759936	Jun 29 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	The 17 years since the Microsoft antitrust case taught us	Jun 29 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	that regulation can spur innovation	Jun 29 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/7cI5yBUfpA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 18:31
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 29 18:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012750345578209281	Jun 29 18:40
TweetTuxMachines	Android Leftovers https://t.co/b8U99fBw92	Jun 29 18:40
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 18:40
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DaemonFC	Man, systemd is nuts.	Jun 29 20:22
DaemonFC	"A stop job is waiting....."	Jun 29 20:22
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XRevan86	DaemonFC: You mean, it's nuts that it won't actually wait for it indefinitely? :)	Jun 29 20:25
XRevan86	whatever that is	Jun 29 20:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012789882266234881	Jun 29 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	Today in Techrights	Jun 29 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/B9G4O2Wimo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 22:00
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/Bt2qRDn.jpg	Jun 29 22:10
schestowitz	lol	Jun 29 22:14
schestowitz	good one	Jun 29 22:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1012806865410035712	Jun 29 22:37
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Today in Techrights	Jun 29 22:37
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/B9G4O2Wimo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 29 22:37
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/ald0TS4	Jun 29 22:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hmmmmm.... - Album on Imgur		Jun 29 22:46
MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DglAp-KUwAAq81Q.jpg:orig	Jun 29 23:08
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XRevan86	MinceR: Sounds like commentary on the US taxation system.	Jun 29 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/The_Code_Shirts/status/1012812286602309632	Jun 30 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Today in Techrights	Jun 30 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts https://t.co/B9G4O2Wimo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 00:44
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18062558	Jun 30 00:52
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/ZwZBVdn	Jun 30 02:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012913058161856512	Jun 30 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	Games: Croteam Incubator's IHRB, Spelunky, Dead Cells	Jun 30 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/CJ4tgBk6DB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 05:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012923458286694400	Jun 30 06:02
TweetTuxMachines	Benchmarks: Encryption Performance, Clear Linux and Wine	Jun 30 06:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sORinCv2oS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 06:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012924293070643200	Jun 30 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	Mesa Development	Jun 30 06:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sdqHLSmxIx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 06:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012925036808867840	Jun 30 06:08
TweetTuxMachines	Release of Linux Mint and Pinguy OS 18.04 Mini LTS	Jun 30 06:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0QjffF77hd (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 06:08
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*TweetTuxMachines @frankjoreyes favourited 'Release of Linux Mint and Pinguy OS 18.04...'		Jun 30 06:10
*TweetTuxMachines @frankjoreyes favourited 'Mesa Development https://t.co/sdqHLSmxIx...'		Jun 30 06:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012931264079376384	Jun 30 06:44
TweetTuxMachines	GNOME Desktop/GTK: Nautilus, GTK+ 4, NetworkManager 1.12	Jun 30 06:44
TweetTuxMachines	and Hyperlinks in GNOME Terminal	Jun 30 06:44
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pOZlVYtw0s (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 06:44
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 30 06:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012934749491548160	Jun 30 06:44
TweetTuxMachines	Writing LaTeX Using #Kile	Jun 30 06:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012936302436802560	Jun 30 06:53
TweetTuxMachines	KDE and Qt Leftovers	Jun 30 06:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ddNakvfWW2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 06:53
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TweetTuxMachines	today's howtos	Jun 30 07:37
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TweetTuxMachines	Red Hat News	Jun 30 07:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Septor_Linux/status/1012951881914691584	Jun 30 08:00
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TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by KDE and Qt Leftovers	Jun 30 08:26
TweetTuxMachines	@SerbianLinuks https://t.co/ddNakvfWW2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 08:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012960474755977217	Jun 30 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	Devices/Embedded: Automotive Grade Linux (AGL), Raspberry	Jun 30 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	Pi, Raspbian, Timesys	Jun 30 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Bb51L4pZB0 (www.tuxmachines.org) #agpl	Jun 30 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	#linux #gnu #raspi	Jun 30 08:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012961417413251072	Jun 30 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	Snaps in the Mainstream	Jun 30 08:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012962133917732864	Jun 30 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.16 Reaches End of Life and Other Kernel	Jun 30 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	Blurbs	Jun 30 08:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012964042179309568	Jun 30 08:47
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Driver 'Ousts' AMD Plans	Jun 30 08:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5eq2LyOtPI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 08:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012965840382320642	Jun 30 08:51
TweetTuxMachines	"Chromebooks with Linux app support will soon be able to	Jun 30 08:51
TweetTuxMachines	install Debian packages" and More Google-Linux Work	Jun 30 08:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HM0waxkDQI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 08:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012966733219549186	Jun 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	The @LinuxFoundation Growing	Jun 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/O65kp2eJF3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 30 09:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012970062033178624	Jun 30 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	Programming: LLVM, GCC, RcppArmadillo	Jun 30 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HiJjBlyKaD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 09:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012970713605689344	Jun 30 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	Mozilla: Graphs, Ads, VR and Python 3	Jun 30 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/hunlGt4Dwc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 09:08
TweetTuxMachines		Jun 30 09:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012971027616485376	Jun 30 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	OSS Leftovers	Jun 30 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IL91nwbDRB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 09:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012971985083748353	Jun 30 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	today's leftovers	Jun 30 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SIrzzWFixd (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jun 30 09:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/1012973298886508544	Jun 30 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	Links 30/6/2018: Linux 4.16 EoL, Gentoo Crack, Linux Mint	Jun 30 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	Release https://t.co/2OgT0463eB (techrights.org)	Jun 30 09:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1012977710115819520	Jun 30 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Links 30/6/2018: Linux 4.16 EoL, Gentoo Crack, Linux Mint	Jun 30 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz Release https://t.co/2OgT0463eB (techrights.org)	Jun 30 10:16
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/1806289	Jun 30 15:28
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/1806292	Jun 30 15:50
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18062743	Jun 30 16:11
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XRevan86	> Why Women Don’t Code	Jun 30 17:46
XRevan86	This is obviously not true so I won't bother visiting the link.	Jun 30 17:46
schestowitz	yeah, I did not say I agree	Jun 30 18:05
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XRevan86	https://coub.com/view/17ckl9	Jun 30 19:58
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XRevan86	schestowitz: Ah, it's that guy.	Jun 30 19:59
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/1806276	Jun 30 21:04
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18062647	Jun 30 21:34
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XRevan86	MinceR: Was I pronouncing "aloha" wrong?	Jun 30 21:44
*XRevan86 looks at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aloha#English		Jun 30 21:46
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XRevan86	Apparently the /əˈloʊ.ə/ pronunciation is the one this pun requires.	Jun 30 21:46
MinceR	:)	Jun 30 21:47
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/lZ5AVZh.png	Jun 30 22:16
XRevan86	MinceR: :(	Jun 30 22:20
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18062112	Jun 30 22:54
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XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent#Contemporary_use	Jun 30 22:56
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XRevan86	> In the Star Wars film franchise, the character Darth Vader (voiced by James Earl Jones) noticeably speaks with a deep bass tone and a Mid-Atlantic accent to suggest his position of high authority; Princess Leia (played by Carrie Fisher) and Queen Amidala (played by Natalie Portman) also use this accent when switching to a formal speaking register in political situations.	Jun 30 22:56
cubexyz	yes, watch a William Powell movie for another example of the mid-atlantic accent	Jun 30 22:58
XRevan86	cubexyz: Many movies there are like that :)	Jun 30 22:59
cubexyz	and as wikipedia points out, after WWII it mostly died out	Jun 30 23:03
XRevan86	cubexyz: Why did it die out though?	Jun 30 23:04
cubexyz	XRevan86, I would assume elocution teachers stopped teaching it to actors and announcers	Jun 30 23:06
XRevan86	cubexyz: Too busy with the war to teach accents? %)	Jun 30 23:06
cubexyz	just listen to it... it's would just seem too archaic and pretentious nowadays	Jun 30 23:08
MinceR	"Pretentious? Moi?"	Jun 30 23:08
XRevan86	cubexyz: That doesn't follow causation :).	Jun 30 23:08
XRevan86	cubexyz: It sounds archaic because it fell out of use, not it fell out of use because it sounds archaic %).	Jun 30 23:09
cubexyz	also I bet a lot of people started to copy Walter Cronkite's pronunciation	Jun 30 23:09
cubexyz	so a standard mid-western american accent basically replaced the mid-atlantic accent	Jun 30 23:10
XRevan86	cubexyz: Not such a bad accent as well, I guess :).	Jun 30 23:12
cubexyz	whatever gets taught persists, what doesn't get taught languishes	Jun 30 23:12
XRevan86	cubexyz: No one was taught MLE yet it keeps popping up on BBC terrorising my ability to understand what is being said :D	Jun 30 23:13
XRevan86	that is, "Multicultural London English"	Jun 30 23:14
cubexyz	well, not dropping the H is an improvement	Jun 30 23:16
XRevan86	Maybe that just shows that my English comprehension is subpar, but I'm still annoyed.	Jun 30 23:16
XRevan86	cubexyz: Compared to Cockney – yes.	Jun 30 23:16
cubexyz	the power of indoctrination is very real	Jun 30 23:17
XRevan86	But BBC used to push RP everywhere, and that accent is very easy to understand.	Jun 30 23:17
cubexyz	look at how Microsoft software is used in schools, it's very hard to counter that influence	Jun 30 23:18
cubexyz	received pronunciation, yes	Jun 30 23:19
XRevan86	They keep saying that this is inclusivity, helps diversity	Jun 30 23:19
cubexyz	lots of British announcers on TV :)	Jun 30 23:19
cubexyz	XRevan86, I think "BBC announcer english" is superior in many ways	Jun 30 23:20
XRevan86	cubexyz: Indeed. I do not need subs for that.	Jun 30 23:20
cubexyz	Canadian or American sounds a little bit uncouth	Jun 30 23:20
cubexyz	especially speakers who say "cuz" all the time :-/	Jun 30 23:21
XRevan86	cubexyz: I think they're fine.	Jun 30 23:21
XRevan86	unless that :)	Jun 30 23:21
XRevan86	but that's more like a word parasite than an accent, yopta	Jun 30 23:22
MinceR	:)	Jun 30 23:24
XRevan86	In the perfect world everyone speaks exactly like Tom Baker (:.	Jun 30 23:28
DaemonFC	https://news.softpedia.com/news/how-to-remove-the-onedrive-icon-from-your-windows-10-desktop-521754.shtml	Jun 30 23:30
DaemonFC	LOL	Jun 30 23:30
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XRevan86	> OneDrive is an essential part of Windows 10 now, and truth be told, there are many people out there who find it quite a useful feature	Jun 30 23:31
XRevan86	Who are they?	Jun 30 23:31
XRevan86	It seems to me as essential as the Minesweeper	Jun 30 23:32
DaemonFC	https://news.softpedia.com/news/firefox-61-for-android-fixes-recurring-crash-on-samsung-galaxy-s8-with-android-8-521773.shtml	Jun 30 23:34
DaemonFC	FINALLY	Jun 30 23:34
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cubexyz	kmines for the learned among us :)	Jun 30 23:34
cubexyz	windows as the standard of computing is just one big aberration	Jun 30 23:36
XRevan86	cubexyz: I hope the learnt amongst us will also agree that it is still not essential :P	Jun 30 23:36
MinceR	Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Drive.	Jun 30 23:40
XRevan86	cubexyz: There's always https://debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s06.en.html	Jun 30 23:40
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XRevan86	Not only is aptitude capable of removing kmines but also supersede it completely.	Jun 30 23:41
XRevan86	* supersedes	Jun 30 23:41
cubexyz	oh right, the ncurses frontend to apt	Jun 30 23:42
XRevan86	cubexyz: It has CLI too.	Jun 30 23:43
cubexyz	XRevan86, lots of distros don't use aptitude, think of the BSD people :)	Jun 30 23:43
XRevan86	cubexyz: And tough for them %)	Jun 30 23:44
XRevan86	aptitude's search capabilities are… quite something	Jun 30 23:44
XRevan86	https://debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html	Jun 30 23:45
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cubexyz	I pretty much stopped using debian after wheezy	Jun 30 23:46
XRevan86	and the solver from aptitude, even though can be really weird, actually asks the user of what should be done	Jun 30 23:46
XRevan86	I can ssh into 7 servers, all of them are either Debian or Devuan :).	Jun 30 23:48
XRevan86	9 or 2	Jun 30 23:48
XRevan86	They don't let me down.	Jun 30 23:50
cubexyz	I think I might even have the source for windows minesweeper somewhere	Jun 30 23:50
cubexyz	hmmm, maybe not	Jun 30 23:51
XRevan86	cubexyz: It's a day of work, so whatever.	Jun 30 23:52
XRevan86	to replicate that	Jun 30 23:52
cubexyz	ah, winmine.c I think that's part of it	Jun 30 23:53
MinceR	debian's dead	Jun 30 23:59

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