Techrights logo

IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: October 7th 2018 – October 13th, 2018

Join us now at the IRC channel.

DaemonFC[m]https://wgntv.com/2018/10/06/banksy-artwork-self-destructs-just-after-1-4-million-sale/Oct 07 00:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Banksy artwork self-destructs just after $1.4 million sale | WGN-TVOct 07 00:08
DaemonFC[m]LMFAOOct 07 00:08
DaemonFC[m]https://www.instagram.com/p/BomXijJhArX/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_medium=loadingOct 07 00:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Banksy on Instagram: “. "The urge to destroy is also a creative urge" - Picasso”Oct 07 00:09
MinceRSorry, this content is not available in your region.Oct 07 00:09
DaemonFC[m]Heh.Oct 07 00:15
DaemonFC[m]A prankster built a shredder into a picture frame in case the artwork ever ended up at an auction.Oct 07 00:16
DaemonFC[m]Right after the gavel banged, the piece having sold for $1.4 million, the artwork shredded itself.Oct 07 00:16
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100348Oct 07 00:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 07 00:19
MinceR:)Oct 07 00:19
DaemonFC[m]What is that? The Human Centipede?Oct 07 00:27
DaemonFC[m]https://news.softpedia.com/news/facebook-to-circumvent-cross-site-tracking-block-with-new-first-party-cookie-523089.shtmlOct 07 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Facebook to Circumvent Cross-Site Tracking Block with New First-Party CookieOct 07 00:31
MinceRyesOct 07 00:32
-->kaniini (~kaniini@2600:1700:8660:6160:7930:b261:e7af:cd7) has joined #techrightsOct 07 00:48
---MinceR gives voice to kaniiniOct 07 00:51
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100315Oct 07 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 07 00:51
XRevan86MinceR: Nice way to insult bigots on both sides %).Oct 07 01:01
MinceR:)Oct 07 01:01
<--Firre_ has quit (Quit: lolmoi)Oct 07 01:08
<--pidgin_log has quit (Quit: Leaving.)Oct 07 01:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ExTiX 18.10 – based on Ubuntu “Cosmic Cuttlefish” – with LXQt 0.13.0, Refracta Tools, Calamares Installer and kernel 4.18.12-exton – a non-efi Build 181006 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116245 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bc5e9936-214c-4ff7-aec8-197f0428becb]Oct 07 01:33
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100219Oct 07 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 07 01:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116244 [https://pleroma.site/objects/774e23ec-804f-4627-87b5-1283c846efbd]Oct 07 01:36
XRevan86MinceR: production-readyOct 07 01:39
MinceR:>Oct 07 01:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Leading Linux Desktop Platform Issues Of 2018 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116246 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8e880fcc-5ee9-47a3-a5d5-632cefbba904]Oct 07 01:48
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: NixOS 18.09 Released With Upgrade To GNOME 3.28, Newer Systemd & Glibc http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116247 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8a58db13-fd0d-4962-9a62-aeded23ef6f8]Oct 07 01:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #CodeLobster – New PHP IDE for Linux Systems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116248 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ce7de8cd-aa01-4df7-8b43-d14d09f48cff]Oct 07 01:55
-->metamullet (~metamulle@58-70-127-49f1.osk2.eonet.ne.jp) has joined #techrightsOct 07 02:11
<--metamullet has quit (K-Lined)Oct 07 02:12
MinceRhttps://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/10/06/banksy-artwork-self-destructs-just-1-4-million-sale/Oct 07 02:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.snopes.com | Banksy Artwork Self-Destructs Just After $1.4 Million SaleOct 07 02:12
schestowitzRichard Stallman wrote on 07/10/18 03:01:Oct 07 03:51
schestowitz> Assange seems to have acted, in the past 3 years, in ways that I thinkOct 07 03:51
schestowitz> deserve strong criticism (though not imprisonment).Oct 07 03:51
schestowitzThere have been a great number of false allegations against him and Wikileaks since Podesta emails and DNC leaks. What has changed since you met him (see attachment)? Maybe I can shed light on potential misunderstandings.Oct 07 03:51
schestowitzFor the record, I am only upset that he contacted Trump Jr. asking for leaks about his father.  It was in poor taste and counter-productive.Oct 07 03:51
DaemonFC[m]Julian Assange is probably a Russian agent.Oct 07 04:24
DaemonFC[m]Everything he did during the election benefited Trump.Oct 07 04:24
DaemonFC[m]https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-delays-latest-version-of-windows-10-after-rep-1829574177/ampOct 07 04:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Microsoft Delays Latest Version of Windows 10 After Reports of Mass File DeletionOct 07 04:25
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Also, broken audio drivers, CPU usage spikes, and other fun.Oct 07 04:27
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: Julian Assange is not a Russian agent.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_AssangeOct 07 05:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failed to connect to 2620:0:861:ed1a::1: Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange )Oct 07 05:05
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: does not take much history reading to work out who Assange is collecting data for,Oct 07 05:05
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 07 05:28
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116249 [https://pleroma.site/objects/81864d63-c179-40b6-9124-b4c8dc1e4b44]Oct 07 05:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1048803089778663425Oct 07 06:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @AssangeMrs >> While Pres Donald #Trump does not condemn https://t.co/mGkrZI24KOOct 07 06:13
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: good thing nobody here uses Windows...Oct 07 06:13
schestowitz[04:24] <DaemonFC[m]> Julian Assange is probably a Russian agent.Oct 07 06:13
schestowitzso said media that endorsed Hillary ClintonOct 07 06:14
schestowitz> With Vista10 screwing up people's files Canonical should be all over theOct 07 06:48
schestowitz> opportunity to introduce the public to a better OS.  But they're not.Oct 07 06:48
schestowitz> They're strangely quiet on this marketing opportunity, as they have beenOct 07 06:48
schestowitz> since taking on M$ staff at the executive level...Oct 07 06:48
schestowitz> Oct 07 06:48
schestowitz> Oh well.  Those that are curious can be steered towards the Live imagesOct 07 06:48
schestowitz> at Linux Mint so that they can test without installing anything ... atOct 07 06:48
schestowitz> first:Oct 07 06:48
schestowitz> Oct 07 06:48
schestowitz> https://linuxmint.com/download.phpOct 07 06:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxmint.com | Download - Linux MintOct 07 06:48
schestowitz> Oct 07 06:48
schestowitz> I hope that Linux Mint someday moves from a Debian / Ubuntu base to aOct 07 06:48
schestowitz> Devuan base to be rid of systemd.Oct 07 06:49
schestowitz> Oct 07 06:49
schestowitz> Oct 07 06:49
schestowitz> PS.   Twenty years this month since the "Halloween Documents" of 1998,Oct 07 06:49
schestowitz> now RedHat has picked up the ball:Oct 07 06:49
schestowitz> Oct 07 06:49
schestowitz> http://www.catb.org/esr/halloween/Oct 07 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catb.org | Halloween Document 8Oct 07 06:49
schestowitz> Oct 07 06:49
schestowitz> I hope there is more coverage in the trade press than there was forOct 07 06:49
schestowitz> GNU's 35th anniversary.Oct 07 06:49
-->s1c0 (~s1c0@125.64.247.127) has joined #techrightsOct 07 08:28
<--s1c0 has quit (K-Lined)Oct 07 08:29
-->Dicael (5125dce8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.37.220.232) has joined #techrightsOct 07 08:47
<--Dicael has quit (Client Quit)Oct 07 08:48
-->Firre_ (~Firee@91-156-160-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #techrightsOct 07 09:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This week in Usability & Productivity, part 39 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116251 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c188ea0a-6558-44e7-9926-38a6bab854da]Oct 07 10:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116250 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4ef38297-2d48-4d24-a0b6-03318c5c7f4e]Oct 07 10:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Everything you need to know about the Pixel Slate http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116252 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a57c6895-f387-40bd-a9c1-ea2bde70a501]Oct 07 10:23
<--acer-box__ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Oct 07 12:34
-->acer-box (~acer-box@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 07 12:48
<--acer-box has quit (Changing host)Oct 07 12:48
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 07 12:48
-->SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) has joined #techrightsOct 07 13:10
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/czlKnRC.jpgOct 07 15:04
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100155Oct 07 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 07 15:10
---MinceR gives voice to SopaXorzTaker acer-box Firre_Oct 07 15:29
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100130Oct 07 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 07 15:30
XRevan86MinceR: Can't argue with that.Oct 07 15:31
MinceR:)Oct 07 15:32
<--schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Oct 07 15:39
-->schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 07 15:40
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18092042Oct 07 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 07 15:53
XRevan86MinceR: glue gun?Oct 07 15:54
XRevan86https://loadaverage.org/conversation/11204697#notice-14223784 I've made a social statement again, let's see how that works out %)Oct 07 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-loadaverage.org | Conversation - LoadAverageOct 07 15:56
MinceRyeahOct 07 15:57
MinceRhot glueOct 07 15:57
MinceRprobably some thermoplastic melted via an electric heating element in the gun, applied, then allowed to solidifyOct 07 15:57
XRevan86MinceR: That's horrifyingOct 07 15:58
MinceRwhy?Oct 07 15:58
XRevan86to be shot at with hot glueOct 07 15:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat Sold, Downgraded http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116253 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3f977f96-df68-444f-84d8-d384437bb47f]Oct 07 15:59
MinceRthe bobblehead gets a shot of hot glue to the neckOct 07 16:06
MinceRso it no longer bobblesOct 07 16:06
XRevan86MinceR: ahOct 07 16:08
XRevan86I thought the guy is to be shot %)Oct 07 16:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Deepin 15.7 Installation Guide for Laptop / Desktop with Screenshots http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116254 #china #debian #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/5adee9d5-12ac-4a81-88a8-1581ad829e4b]Oct 07 16:09
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Calculate Linux 18 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116255 [https://pleroma.site/objects/563af65c-80bc-4b0f-aed2-01d57bccb78b]Oct 07 16:16
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100133Oct 07 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 07 16:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ET: Legacy Is Still Letting You Relive Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory Memories In 2018 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116256 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4c3ed6b7-7c4f-4fa6-88e6-aa88fa31b7fc]Oct 07 16:22
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 07 16:33
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18011639Oct 07 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 07 16:47
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18011628Oct 07 17:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 07 17:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Next #Linux #Kernel Bringing "Speculative Store Bypass Safe" For ARMv8.5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116257 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fdb3115a-3937-4607-9245-39d1ed7f35a2]Oct 07 17:27
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What #systemd Is Up To With The Latest Developments In 2018 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116258 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d55b85bd-ec97-4337-aea2-c0ee71c254c3]Oct 07 17:30
-->pidgin_log (~roy@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 07 17:30
<--acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 07 18:45
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 07 18:45
<--SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 07 19:18
DaemonFC[m]https://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-blocks-windows-10-version-1809-on-some-intel-pcs-due-to-bad-drivers-523049.shtmlOct 07 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Microsoft Blocks Windows 10 Version 1809 on Some Intel PCs Due to Bad DriversOct 07 19:42
DaemonFC[m]Clusterfuck 10 October Update. Missing files and broken drivers.Oct 07 19:42
XRevan86They should've called it Windows RawhideOct 07 19:50
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18011546Oct 07 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 07 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Using Windows 10 is just too much mental load. Oct 07 20:16
DaemonFC[m]You end up wasting time bashing on various troubleshooting wizards (usually with no luck) and reinstalling the OS (if the Recovery Partition even works) so often that learning GNU/Linux is a small investment, in comparison.Oct 07 20:17
DaemonFC[m] Why does the tech media even bother covering Windows disasters blow-by-blow? We already know it's pure shit.Oct 07 20:19
DaemonFC[m]The operating system equivalent of Al Bundy's Dodge.Oct 07 20:20
DaemonFC[m]I know all about hundreds of little eccentricities of various Microsoft operating systems going way back into the 1980s that aren't even useful anymore and that I'd rather forget.Oct 07 20:23
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Windows is still very big, so one can beat that horse almost endlesslyOct 07 20:24
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I made a Facebook post for anyone still interested in Windows 98 as a novelty where I touched on that.Oct 07 20:39
DaemonFC[m]https://pastebin.com/7dsWcuUsOct 07 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I absolutely do not know where the Micro Center at Elston gets their PC How To g - Pastebin.comOct 07 20:40
DaemonFC[m]Almost all of the problems of Windows 98 traced back to Internet Explorer and its shell update.Oct 07 20:45
DaemonFC[m]CPU load, reliability, disk space footprint, RAM hogging, resource leaks....Oct 07 20:45
DaemonFC[m]All made much worse by IE and the "integration".Oct 07 20:45
DaemonFC[m]The PCs back then were just so slow anyway that the IE integration was a significant drag.Oct 07 20:46
DaemonFC[m]Windows XP had a utility called nLite that could slim it down.Oct 07 20:49
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, it meant reinstalling XP every time there was a Service Pack. You had to slipstream the Service Pack and then use a newer version of nLite to strip out the stuff you didn't want again.Oct 07 20:50
<--Firre_ has quit (Quit: lolmoi)Oct 07 21:50
DaemonFC[m]Hmmm. GNOME says that Ubuntu shouldn't have been so quick to put the "Big Hammer" patch for the Shell "memory leak" into their LTS.Oct 07 22:28
DaemonFC[m]Ubuntu has done a lot worse than that in an LTS. :)Oct 07 22:28
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18011545Oct 07 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 07 23:35
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18011549Oct 08 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 08 00:03
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 08 00:19
<--pidgin_log has quit (Quit: Leaving.)Oct 08 01:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 4.19-rc7http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116259 [https://pleroma.site/objects/55694c86-70d7-46d8-be69-a151b2b0def6]Oct 08 01:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116260 [https://pleroma.site/objects/01130fde-f37e-4535-884f-30e950017412]Oct 08 01:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Using 'ps' and 'top' To Monitor Linux Processes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116261 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f00fe46f-4311-4b79-a8de-f3be11252160]Oct 08 01:18
gde33DaemonFC[m]: last time I used windos I got to use the little faxing and scanning tool. (a 2 in 1 tool? lol) It was facinating, it could make scans but doesn't allow saving them.Oct 08 01:31
MinceRlolOct 08 01:31
MinceRwho needs that anywayOct 08 01:31
gde33MinceR: maybe if you are standed on an unihhabited island with nothing but a windos computer and you need to figur out if your scanner works.Oct 08 01:32
gde33MinceR: If I had time, skill, money and friends I would use a 3d engine to create an internet court system for interface design.Oct 08 01:35
gde33The default assumption is that the designer is not actually human but send here to infiltrate earth to confuse our information technology.Oct 08 01:36
gde33mose application designs will be trialed harshly and unfairly in absentiaOct 08 01:37
gde33the sentence for pretty much all offenses is x years in the dilithium mines of rura pentheOct 08 01:38
gde33I know I know, I should be stroking my inner capitalist in stead of thinking about all the fun we could be having.Oct 08 01:40
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the software was bad enough that most driver discs came with their own fax and scanning programs.Oct 08 02:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #4MLinux 26.1 released. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116262 [https://pleroma.site/objects/922f22fc-6635-42a0-b0df-b3e1eb3b027c]Oct 08 03:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: DRM-Next, RadeonSI and Vulkan http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116263 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd03df8e-fbe1-4559-b9e3-deaaba487720]Oct 08 04:36
-->Firre_ (~Firee@91-156-160-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #techrightsOct 08 04:55
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Muckraking Resumes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116264 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5d000e28-10b7-459c-bbb3-3d42efb14d84]Oct 08 05:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Open-source office software suites for the enterprise and LibreOffice 6.1.2 packages available for Slackware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116265 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4e7e85e6-6304-4007-90fd-d4a20ecfb535]Oct 08 05:09
<--aindilis has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Oct 08 05:31
-->aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrightsOct 08 05:32
schestowitzRichard Stallman wrote on 08/10/18 04:53:Oct 08 06:59
schestowitz>   > There have been a great number of false allegations against him andOct 08 06:59
schestowitz>   > Wikileaks since Podesta emails and DNC leaks. What has changed since youOct 08 06:59
schestowitz>   > met him (see attachment)? Maybe I can shed light on potentialOct 08 06:59
schestowitz>   > misunderstandings.Oct 08 06:59
schestowitz> Oct 08 06:59
schestowitz> I don't know that they are false.Oct 08 06:59
schestowitzThe Guardian in particular ran a long defamatory campaign against him and Wikileaks. They intentionally fabricated things, leading to retractions from papers that later cited The Guardian.Oct 08 06:59
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1801156Oct 08 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 08 07:29
MinceRhttps://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-beginning-of-the-end.htmlOct 08 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Linux - The beginning of the endOct 08 07:32
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1801155Oct 08 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 08 08:07
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18011331Oct 08 08:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 08 08:28
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/yzwVm2w.jpgOct 08 08:32
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18011327Oct 08 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 08 08:52
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116266 [https://pleroma.site/objects/59f2242f-27da-47ed-82a3-b2fe2b264ec8]Oct 08 09:15
---MinceR gives voice to acer-box aindilis schestowitz Firre_Oct 08 09:19
-->hnasiet (~hnasiet@a109-48-58-167.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrightsOct 08 09:30
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116267 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fbc0bb29-2566-4a84-8839-f2f0b30957ee]Oct 08 09:54
oiaohmMinceR: we are already seeing the code of conduct getting patches.Oct 08 10:08
MinceRthe only patch which could actually fix it is one that removes the fileOct 08 10:16
MinceRand even then, Linus is gone, and being blackmailedOct 08 10:16
MinceRand gkh is in his place, destroying the kernelOct 08 10:17
XRevan86I couldn't ever figure out why every English language school book for foreigners tries to teach kids how to write letters and emails.Oct 08 10:17
XRevan86With specific forms for formal and informal letters/emails.Oct 08 10:18
MinceRprobably an attractive target for prescriptivistsOct 08 10:19
XRevan86Does there have to be a codified way to write a bloody letter? Will it break the rules if one just says "hi" and then goes straight to the point?Oct 08 10:19
XRevan86It gives me a suspicion that maybe the English-speaking culture likes to standardise human interactionOct 08 10:21
MinceRnoOct 08 10:22
MinceRbut when did that ever stop humans?Oct 08 10:22
MinceRthe constant obsession with tightly controlling every aspect of the lives of othersOct 08 10:24
XRevan86Well, I never actually saw anyone who would form letters using the schoolbook calqueOct 08 10:24
<--hnasiet has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)Oct 08 10:28
cubexyzon the other hand some people really do mangle language too muchOct 08 10:29
MinceRmaybe they'd mangle it less if there was less of this bloatOct 08 10:29
cubexyzI hate it when people say "cuz" rather than "because"Oct 08 10:29
MinceRhow can you tell they're not saying "'cause"? :>Oct 08 10:29
XRevan86lows of cozalityOct 08 10:31
MinceR:DOct 08 10:31
cubexyzwell there is a theory...Oct 08 10:34
cubexyzit's outside my usual area of study, but there are some theses that talk about the degeneration of human languageOct 08 10:34
cubexyzif you compare modern languages to ancient Egyptian, Akkadian, Hebrew and Greek scolars say that there is a reduction and simplificationOct 08 10:36
XRevan86cubexyz: Nah, it's more complicated than that.Oct 08 10:37
XRevan86cubexyz: Languages keep "degenerating" all the time since the dawn of time ;)Oct 08 10:38
cubexyzor even lost completely, the ultimate degenerationOct 08 10:39
XRevan86Well, the P-I-E ancestor of English is barely visible in English.Oct 08 10:39
XRevan86Of course if we go further back, then there'll be no trace of that in English whatsoeverOct 08 10:40
cubexyzok, how far back are you going? :)Oct 08 10:41
XRevan86cubexyz: To be safe, let's say 2 000 years from P-I-EOct 08 10:41
cubexyzdid P-I-E use the latin alphabet?Oct 08 10:42
MinceRprobably no alphabets existed back thenOct 08 10:43
MinceRindo-european languages use a variety of writing systemsOct 08 10:43
XRevan86cubexyz: 3000 BCE? Sure, why not :DOct 08 10:43
XRevan86cubexyz: English phonology is actually fairly complex. It gets simplified in one way and then complicated in others.Oct 08 10:46
XRevan86That's true for every dialect.Oct 08 10:46
cubexyzoh yeah, I tried looking at Old English and it just looked indecipherable to meOct 08 10:48
XRevan86And of course there's the Norman conquest that reshaped English radically.Oct 08 10:49
MinceRwell, apparently at least one writing system existed for part of the history of PIE, but it was used elsewhereOct 08 10:49
cubexyzbut even with computer languages, the more complex BCPL gave rise to the simpler C languageOct 08 10:49
XRevan86cubexyz: Some scholars debate if Middle English and Old English are two separate languageOct 08 10:49
XRevan86sOct 08 10:49
cubexyzwell, I assume they have some sort of record that shows a gradually change from old english to middle english to modern englishOct 08 10:50
XRevan86For one thing, Middle English's orthography is not based on Old English in any wayOct 08 10:50
XRevan86cubexyz: Nope, not from Old EnglishOct 08 10:50
cubexyzhuh, interestingOct 08 10:51
XRevan86Old English → Norman conquest → Middle EnglishOct 08 10:51
XRevan86cubexyz: English was on its way down, superseded by FrenchOct 08 10:51
XRevan86but then it has arisen from the ashes, and here you goOct 08 10:52
cubexyzwell if I look at the original Beowulf, I can't really read any of itOct 08 10:54
XRevan86now from Middle English forward there's a more natural processOct 08 10:54
cubexyz1066 to 15th centuryOct 08 10:57
oiaohmcubexyz: not exactly gradual.    Modern english was developed as a diplomatic language.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_EnglishOct 08 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | History of English - WikipediaOct 08 10:58
oiaohm Shakespeare added a huge number of words alone to Modern English.Oct 08 10:58
cubexyzsuch as?Oct 08 10:59
oiaohmhttp://shakespeare-online.com/biography/wordsinvented.htmlOct 08 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shakespeare-online.com | Words Shakespeare InventedOct 08 10:59
oiaohmcubexyz: 1700+ words are directly attributed to Shakespeare that are in modern english that are in no other Language.Oct 08 11:00
cubexyzcan't say I remember reading "puking" in Shakespeare :)Oct 08 11:00
oiaohmcubexyz: the links take you to the Shakespeare texts.Oct 08 11:01
cubexyzwell, hardly surprising since I only remember reading a few of the booksOct 08 11:01
cubexyzhamlet, king lear, and maybe a couple of othersOct 08 11:02
oiaohmPlease note that is 1700 words out of the top 10000 used words in english.Oct 08 11:02
oiaohmSo about 1/10 of the Modern English we use is Shakespeares fault.Oct 08 11:03
XRevan86oiaohm: "fashionable"?Oct 08 11:03
XRevan86So he coined it by slapping -able on top of a French word?Oct 08 11:04
cubexyzyes but if XRevan86 was to read the conversations in Hamlet and compare that to the way people talk now, the inescapable conclusion is that language has degenerated (at least the spoken language has)Oct 08 11:04
XRevan86I think a lot of people to this day do exactly that :)Oct 08 11:04
XRevan86very wordformingable people areOct 08 11:04
oiaohmXRevan86: Yes.Oct 08 11:04
cubexyzthat was my original point at leastOct 08 11:05
cubexyza general sort of dumbing down of everythingOct 08 11:05
XRevan86"champion" is also FrenchOct 08 11:05
oiaohmBut when you look at the words in modern english that we use less than 20 percent are from the old english or middle english or the lanugages those are based on.Oct 08 11:05
XRevan86cubexyz: That's because you see all the things that are lostOct 08 11:06
oiaohmXRevan86: Please note some of the words of Shakespeare that first appear in Shakespeare texts also turn up in other languages latter.Oct 08 11:06
oiaohmXRevan86: again due to his plays going all over the place.Oct 08 11:06
XRevan86cubexyz: I'm sure if you take someone from that time to this day, that person will find the new English complicatedOct 08 11:06
cubexyzXRevan86, they would have a tough time I'm sureOct 08 11:07
XRevan86oiaohm: In Old French?Oct 08 11:07
cubexyzreplacing the e with ' is interestingOct 08 11:08
cubexyznot sure why they did thatOct 08 11:08
XRevan86oiaohm: I heard Shakespeare liked to play with spelling a lotOct 08 11:08
XRevan86oiaohm: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/champion#English "From Middle English champioun, from Old French champion"Oct 08 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | champion - WiktionaryOct 08 11:08
cubexyzstabb'd, slaughter'dOct 08 11:09
XRevan86oiaohm: I suspect a lot of these examples are simply thatOct 08 11:09
XRevan86cubexyz: Isn't that the way things are done today with loan words?Oct 08 11:11
XRevan86cubexyz: or words that aren't supposed to be verbsOct 08 11:11
oiaohmXRevan86: early modern english had no spelling rules.Oct 08 11:11
XRevan86cubexyz: Like… "I computer'd him"Oct 08 11:11
oiaohmXRevan86: so cat and kat were the same thing.Oct 08 11:12
oiaohmXRevan86: yes Shakespeare orignial plays don't have his name spelt the say way twice.Oct 08 11:12
cubexyzXRevan86, I can't think of any examples of loan words that have the e changed to 'Oct 08 11:12
oiaohmsay/sameOct 08 11:12
cubexyzfriended is spelt just soOct 08 11:12
XRevan86cubexyz: They saw he is a worthy guy so they tsar'd himOct 08 11:13
XRevan86cubexyz: Here's another example from the collection of dumb examples :)Oct 08 11:13
cubexyzXRevan86, maybe when people are writing slangOct 08 11:15
oiaohmReally old english and middle english has fairly strict spelling rules.Oct 08 11:15
XRevan86cubexyz: Maybe that's what Shakespeare felt like doingOct 08 11:15
oiaohmModern english started as a very wild language and Shakespeare massively played with it.Oct 08 11:16
oiaohmBeing the lead play write and produce to the queen at the time let Shakespeare get away with a lot.Oct 08 11:16
oiaohmI cannot think of another time in any language where it was a play writer deciding what words would be in a written language so his plays sounded good.Oct 08 11:17
cubexyzinteresting phraseology oiaohm, normally one would say "playwright" :)Oct 08 11:18
XRevan86oiaohm: Pushkin is thought to be the founder of the modern Russian languageOct 08 11:18
<--acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 08 11:18
XRevan86oiaohm: And he was a verse-writerOct 08 11:18
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 08 11:19
oiaohmXRevan86: I had forgotten Pushkin.Oct 08 11:19
XRevan86oiaohm: He used a lot of dialectisms in his versesOct 08 11:19
MinceR08 121255 <+cubexyz> friended is spelt just soOct 08 11:19
MinceRthat 'e' has more emphasis than the ones replaced with an apostropheOct 08 11:20
XRevan86Pushing Russian away from the conservative influences of Church Slavic/SlavonicOct 08 11:20
XRevan86An interesting difference between Russian and English is that Pushkin from the XIX century doesn't sound archaic.Oct 08 11:22
XRevan86Whilst in English pronunciation changes every 10 years %)Oct 08 11:23
oiaohmcubexyz: its the fun of english.    Playwriter and playwright mean the same thing in english and are used in different places.   play write is another old one.   The problem with doing english language history at one point picked up a lot of odd ball english usages.Oct 08 11:23
XRevan86apparently Cockney is no longer hip in LondonOct 08 11:23
cubexyzwasn't the USSR government anti-church?Oct 08 11:24
oiaohmXRevan86: if you could time travel you biggest problem would be language.Oct 08 11:24
oiaohmyou/yourOct 08 11:24
cubexyzI seem to remember reading about thatOct 08 11:24
XRevan86oiaohm: I bet it would be bigger if I pop up in England :)Oct 08 11:24
MinceRthey refused to call their own cult as suchOct 08 11:25
MinceRbut it was a cult neverthelessOct 08 11:25
cubexyzoiaohm, how many time travel books actually deal with that correctly?Oct 08 11:25
MinceRstill isOct 08 11:25
cubexyzI can't remember any that dealt with language changing over timeOct 08 11:25
XRevan86cubexyz: Yes and noOct 08 11:25
MinceRthey worship marx, lenin, stalin and othersOct 08 11:25
oiaohmcubexyz: the answer is none that I know of in fact truly deal with the language nightmare.Oct 08 11:25
XRevan86MinceR: And Americans worship the Founding FathersOct 08 11:25
MinceRi thought they worshipped yahwehOct 08 11:25
XRevan86I wonder where they fit in the pantheon of GodsOct 08 11:26
XRevan86(not serious)Oct 08 11:26
MinceRwell beneath the orange-colored "god-emperor"Oct 08 11:26
oiaohmcubexyz: mind you it could be quite a fun book to write getting it right.Oct 08 11:26
cubexyzthis time period seems a bit ridiculous actuallyOct 08 11:26
XRevan86MinceR: Pick a movie, and you'll likely see Lincoln as a saint-like person %)Oct 08 11:27
cubexyzbut I guess every time had it's upheavalsOct 08 11:27
oiaohmcubexyz: and it would be a hell of a nightmare to perform.Oct 08 11:27
MinceRLincoln championed values discarded by nowOct 08 11:27
cubexyzoiaohm, I think Tolkien dealt with it to some degreeOct 08 11:27
oiaohmcubexyz: you think attempting to get people to say letters like they were said in shakespear did.Oct 08 11:27
XRevan86MinceR: Lenin championed values discarded by later USSROct 08 11:28
MinceRthey'd probably be horrified to see what their republican party turned into by nowOct 08 11:28
cubexyzoiaohm, not reallyOct 08 11:28
XRevan86still has a street in every city named after himOct 08 11:28
MinceRlenin was a dictatorOct 08 11:28
cubexyzI merely try to standardize things, usually with limited successOct 08 11:28
oiaohmcubexyz: vowel lenght and tone was different in  Shakespeare time to now.Oct 08 11:28
oiaohmcubexyz: basically there is not a letter we say the same as how it was back then.Oct 08 11:29
cubexyzMinceR, bring Eisenhower forward in time to meet Trump :)Oct 08 11:29
XRevan86MinceR: In what period?Oct 08 11:30
MinceRwhen he was in powerOct 08 11:30
MinceRdid usians ever display photos of Lincoln in their homes?Oct 08 11:31
cubexyzMinceR, you should state some of Lincoln's valuesOct 08 11:31
MinceRcubexyz: i remember he fought against slaveryOct 08 11:31
XRevan86MinceR: I'm fairly sure that not the thing during Lenin in power.Oct 08 11:31
MinceRand racism associated withOct 08 11:31
XRevan86* that'sOct 08 11:31
oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English << this is a brief over view of they way we say letters in english have changed.Oct 08 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Phonological history of English - WikipediaOct 08 11:31
MinceR...itOct 08 11:32
cubexyzMinceR, Lincoln's humility seems to be utterly lacking with TrumpOct 08 11:32
XRevan86MinceR: The moushashy guy is StalinOct 08 11:32
XRevan86the balding one is LeninOct 08 11:33
XRevan86not to be confusedOct 08 11:33
MinceRXRevan86: yes, and they had a picture displayed very prominently with portraits of marx, lenin and stalin on itOct 08 11:33
cubexyzoiaohm, the post WWII changes should be interestingOct 08 11:33
oiaohmcubexyz: reality is english has never stopped changing.Oct 08 11:34
oiaohmBy the time someone thinks they have mastered english something they know is wrong.Oct 08 11:35
MinceRlanguages stop changing when they dieOct 08 11:35
oiaohmMinceR: LatinOct 08 11:35
XRevan86MinceR: Try 12 Chairs, that book is about the times of Lenin ;).Oct 08 11:35
XRevan86Latin never strictly died thoughOct 08 11:35
cubexyzthere's new latin thoughOct 08 11:35
cubexyzjust to make things interesting :)Oct 08 11:36
XRevan86it's just that Latin that continued to live is not called LatinOct 08 11:36
MinceRyeah, they call it "italian" :>Oct 08 11:36
XRevan86or Spanish or FrenchOct 08 11:36
XRevan86or Romanian or CatalanOct 08 11:36
oiaohmcubexyz: when you go over the Phonological history of languages you learn that time travel is not going to be fun.Oct 08 11:37
oiaohmcubexyz: and that most likely if you time travel you will play mute.Oct 08 11:37
cubexyzthere's got to be one book that dealt with thatOct 08 11:37
MinceRyou just need a really big gunOct 08 11:37
oiaohmI have seen some movies deal with the word meaning problems.Oct 08 11:38
cubexyzoiaohm, how did the people on the mayflower communicate with the natives?Oct 08 11:38
cubexyzthat must have been difficultOct 08 11:38
oiaohmI cannot remember the bridge but its a USA bridge where the opening speacher has the word erection 380 times.   Of course back then it had no offensive meaning. Oct 08 11:39
cubexyzok :)Oct 08 11:39
XRevan86oiaohm: Um, does it? %)Oct 08 11:39
oiaohmReason for playing mute is the first word you say that you think is safe could be the very word as a time travel that gets you stuck in jail/killed.Oct 08 11:40
cubexyzyeah and Conan Doyle used "ejaculate" as a synonym for "exclaim" :)Oct 08 11:41
cubexyzpeople don't use that word that way nowOct 08 11:41
XRevan86oiaohm: Maybe if the time traveller travels to a place where the moral police livesOct 08 11:41
oiaohmXRevan86: most of the interesting places in history are high points in moral police.Oct 08 11:42
oiaohmXRevan86: the action of erecting a structure or object. <<this is classed as the first define in most dictionary's for the word erection.  But we have a dirty mind these days and think of the section most common meaning used in history.Oct 08 11:43
oiaohmsection/secoundOct 08 11:44
XRevan86oiaohm: Yes, that's what I thoughtOct 08 11:44
XRevan86oiaohm: I wasn't notified the word is no longer used like that %)Oct 08 11:44
oiaohmIn a few decades the police police could take over again.Oct 08 11:44
MinceRa penis is an object tooOct 08 11:45
XRevan86lingua latina non penis canina est?Oct 08 11:45
MinceR:)Oct 08 11:45
XRevan86latina lingvo ne estas hunda vostoOct 08 11:46
XRevan86I remember some debate about Esperanto being offensitve to English speakers %)Oct 08 11:46
MinceReverything is offensive to crybullies and conservativesOct 08 11:46
XRevan86One of the most common Esperanto expressions is "kiel vi fartas?"Oct 08 11:47
cubexyzhow are you?Oct 08 11:48
XRevan86cubexyz: jesOct 08 11:48
oiaohmcubexyz: Also even playing mute you have to be careful what does thumbs up mean is a good one.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumb_signal  Some places in time you might be in big trouble.Oct 08 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Thumb signal - WikipediaOct 08 11:49
cubexyzMinceR, I always wonder what conservatives conserveOct 08 11:49
cubexyzit doesn't seem to be the environmentOct 08 11:49
oiaohmcubexyz:  a lot of visiting native tribes the ships got into trouble for screwing up with culture requirements.Oct 08 11:50
MinceRcubexyz: feudalismOct 08 11:50
XRevan86oiaohm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_sign here's another oneOct 08 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fig sign - WikipediaOct 08 11:50
MinceRoh, and religious fundamentalismOct 08 11:50
MinceRbut yeah, it's a meaningless labelOct 08 11:51
MinceRlike all the othersOct 08 11:51
XRevan86> In Portugal, it is a gesture of good luck, or even wishing good luck.Oct 08 11:51
XRevan86> In Turkey, it is an obscene gesture equivalent to showing the middle fingerOct 08 11:51
oiaohmXRevan86: exactly once you start understanding the problem time travel starts not seaming very healthy option.Oct 08 11:51
XRevan86> In Greece <..> it is known as a "fist-phallus"Oct 08 11:51
oiaohmAll those people who are being kept on ice in the hope they can be brought back to life latter.    If it happens they are in for hell.Oct 08 11:52
cubexyzthe frozen water ruptures their cells doesn't it?Oct 08 11:53
XRevan86oiaohm: I don't think that's their biggest problemOct 08 11:54
cubexyzcryonics may be just a big crock of shit :)Oct 08 11:54
XRevan86For one thing, they have to trust that someone will keep the fridge going for them %)Oct 08 11:54
cubexyzif they could freeze a mouse for a year and bring it back again that would be somethingOct 08 11:55
cubexyzbut I don't think they can even do thatOct 08 11:55
cubexyztorpor state yesOct 08 11:58
cubexyzbut not -130 C in liquid nitrogenOct 08 11:59
oiaohmcubexyz: https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/19877/20160211/cryogenics-entire-rabbit-brain-successfully-frozen-revived-first-time.htm  basically everyone who was put in cryonics before 2016 is basically dead.Oct 08 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.natureworldnews.com | Cryogenics: Entire Rabbit Brain Successfully Frozen and Revived For First Time : News : Nature World NewsOct 08 12:01
oiaohmcubexyz: after 2016 if current method was used its a maybe.Oct 08 12:02
cubexyzhow can they revive just the brain?Oct 08 12:02
oiaohmcubexyz: that was testing that the structures of brain could be stored.Oct 08 12:02
oiaohmcubexyz: before 2016 we could not do that.Oct 08 12:03
oiaohmcubexyz: so if you were revieved basically zombie at best.Oct 08 12:03
XRevan86oiaohm: Maybe in the bright future they will all be given a default template brain sctructure %)Oct 08 12:04
XRevan86and they'll live their happy lives as John SmithOct 08 12:04
oiaohmXRevan86: so aboslutely no memory if you frosen before 2016.Oct 08 12:04
cubexyzhahaOct 08 12:04
oiaohmXRevan86: because those were nicely destroyed by the cryonics process.Oct 08 12:05
XRevan86oiaohm: Maybe rants from Twitter included %)Oct 08 12:05
XRevan86- We've replicated your personality from your social media print.Oct 08 12:05
XRevan86- Oh no.Oct 08 12:05
XRevan86, cuckOct 08 12:06
oiaohmcubexyz: not being able to reverse cryonics does not mean that we cannot look at the storage assess the damage done and work out if it even worth it.Oct 08 12:06
oiaohmBasically every one in cryonics from before 2016 we might as well take a dna sample from preserve the dna sample and hope cloning comes successful in future and dispose of the body.Oct 08 12:07
cubexyzI think arctic squirrels can survive frozen temperaturesOct 08 12:07
cubexyzsomething about their blood acts like anti-freezeOct 08 12:07
oiaohmThere is frog that can be frosen for decades at a time. Oct 08 12:07
cubexyzXRevan86, how about mind uploading into a computer? :)Oct 08 12:08
XRevan86cubexyz: There's a debate whether that would be "you"Oct 08 12:08
cubexyzoiaohm, yes rana sylvatica or the wood frogOct 08 12:08
XRevan86If I were cryogenically frozen, I'd prefer to keep my brain %)Oct 08 12:09
cubexyzso interesting possiblities thereOct 08 12:09
oiaohmXRevan86: but there is no point being frozen if it basically a mind wipe or worse.Oct 08 12:09
cubexyzXRevan86, ok how about you're not frozen but upload to your mind (copy) to a computer?Oct 08 12:09
XRevan86amnesia > death ?Oct 08 12:09
oiaohmXRevan86: a full mind wipe is a coma you cannot ever wake up from.Oct 08 12:10
XRevan86cubexyz: So I'll have a twin?Oct 08 12:10
cubexyzwarning: winmind 1.0 has BSODedOct 08 12:10
oiaohmopps ever/never wake up from.Oct 08 12:10
XRevan86oiaohm: That's why I suggested johnsmithing %)Oct 08 12:11
oiaohmXRevan86: also you need enough brain structure left to write into.Oct 08 12:11
oiaohmXRevan86: this is why I said before 2016 is zombie at best.Oct 08 12:11
cubexyzjust write everything down, then if amnesia you just re-read your notesOct 08 12:11
oiaohmXRevan86: there will not be enough undamaged to run a basic personality.Oct 08 12:11
cubexyzyour memory isn't perfect anywaysOct 08 12:12
oiaohmcubexyz: if you memory in brain is completely nuked.Oct 08 12:12
oiaohmcubexyz: reading notes is not a option.Oct 08 12:12
oiaohmNow of course without being able to bring a brain back to life we cannot fully work out how bad the damage of cryonics is.Oct 08 12:13
oiaohmwith the more modern method.Oct 08 12:13
oiaohmbefore 2016 completely stuffed.Oct 08 12:13
oiaohmAfter 2016 with modern method is a maybe at best.Oct 08 12:14
oiaohmBest option with someone prior to 2016 in cryonics would be attempt to clone them.Oct 08 12:15
oiaohmThat way you would stand a chance at a functional brain.Oct 08 12:15
oiaohmI really all the money wasted keeping people frozen with no hope ever for be restored.Oct 08 12:16
-->SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) has joined #techrightsOct 08 13:19
<--SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 08 13:19
<--Firre_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Oct 08 13:29
XRevan86(13:49:48) cubexyz: MinceR, I always wonder what conservatives conserveOct 08 13:42
XRevan86(13:49:58) cubexyz: it doesn't seem to be the environmentOct 08 13:42
XRevan86cubexyz: https://youtu.be/sWSoYCetG6AOct 08 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fiddler on the roof tradition - YouTubeOct 08 13:42
XRevan86cubexyz: The current status-quo, whatever that is for their locationOct 08 13:43
XRevan86cubexyz: Or the status-quo of the recent pastOct 08 13:43
XRevan86cubexyz: At least that's what it's supposed to mean %)Oct 08 13:45
XRevan86cubexyz: For instance, in Russia every conservative is also pro-PutinOct 08 13:46
XRevan86cubexyz: Because Putin is the status quo for the last 18 years and has shaped the way politics are in Russia today.Oct 08 13:46
XRevan86though I'm forgetting about the older generation of conservatives who want the Union back in the way they remember itOct 08 13:48
cubexyzhow did this tradition start? I don't know <--- not very illuminating :)Oct 08 13:48
XRevan86so it's either "things are fine now, don't ruin them" or "things were fine then, and then you ruined them"Oct 08 13:48
cubexyzummmOct 08 13:50
XRevan86> how did this tradition start? I don't know <--- not very illuminating :)Oct 08 13:52
XRevan86I think it's a great line :)Oct 08 13:52
XRevan86this is exactly how traditions startOct 08 13:53
-->SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) has joined #techrightsOct 08 13:53
-->Firre_ (~Firee@91-156-160-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #techrightsOct 08 13:55
cubexyzI'm trying to remember what the Ukraine was in 1905Oct 08 13:57
XRevan86cubexyz: Which part?Oct 08 13:57
cubexyzthe time period the film portraysOct 08 13:57
XRevan86ahOct 08 13:57
XRevan86cubexyz: A non-strictly defined region divided between West Ukraine and East UkraineOct 08 13:58
XRevan86by the way when Russian Empire absorbed the territoryOct 08 13:58
XRevan86West Ukraine being the more recentOct 08 13:59
XRevan86cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement here's another interesting topicOct 08 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pale of Settlement - WikipediaOct 08 14:02
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 08 14:03
XRevan86cubexyz: The Russian Empire didn't exactly like Jews (religion)Oct 08 14:03
cubexyzI seeOct 08 14:04
XRevan86A Christian Monarchy that took it's Christianness very seriouslyOct 08 14:04
cubexyzfrom 1505 to 1917, that's a long timeOct 08 14:05
XRevan86Ended with the revolutionOct 08 14:05
XRevan86Nicholas II thought about lifting the restriction, but then decided not toOct 08 14:05
XRevan86http://www.tsurganov.info/media/nikolaj/ikona-nikolaja-2_5.jpg this guyOct 08 14:07
XRevan86with a haloOct 08 14:07
XRevan86https://sretenie.com/catalog_img/133986.jpgOct 08 14:07
XRevan86One of the reasons I don't like religion is how masterfully they ignore historical facts that are inconvinient to themOct 08 14:08
XRevan86A Great Martyr that was known in life as Nicholas the BloodyOct 08 14:09
XRevan86> from 1505 to 1917, that's a long timeOct 08 14:12
XRevan86cubexyz: BTW, tradition %)Oct 08 14:12
cubexyzwell if the tradition is pointless or illogical I'm all for changing thingsOct 08 14:13
cubexyz400 hundred years is way too longOct 08 14:13
XRevan86cubexyz: Rule of thumb is if people _notice_ the tradition, it's probably pointless or illogical.Oct 08 14:13
cubexyzand how does the absolute monarchy get started I wonderOct 08 14:14
XRevan86- Why should I throw salt over my shoulder?Oct 08 14:14
XRevan86- JUST DO ITOct 08 14:14
XRevan86cubexyz: You mean, the absolute kind?Oct 08 14:15
XRevan86cubexyz: Basically with the HordeOct 08 14:16
cubexyz"An autocracy is a system of government in which sumpreme power is concentrated in the hands of one person"Oct 08 14:16
cubexyzsupremeOct 08 14:17
cubexyzdoesn't seem like a good system :)Oct 08 14:17
XRevan86the occupation later resulted in Moscow rising and conquering most of the Rus'Oct 08 14:17
XRevan86or liberating from the Khan, depends on the time :)Oct 08 14:17
XRevan86oopsOct 08 14:17
XRevan86on the takeOct 08 14:17
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_III_of_Russia this guyOct 08 14:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ivan III of Russia - WikipediaOct 08 14:18
XRevan86> Although the circumstances surrounding the acquisitions varied, the results were basically the same: former sovereign or semi-autonomous principalities were reduced to the status of provinces of Moscow, while their princes joined the ranks of the Muscovite service nobility.Oct 08 14:19
XRevan86cubexyz: Before that and before the Horde the system was basically feudalOct 08 14:20
XRevan86There are a Grand Prince in Kiev, but his power was very limited.Oct 08 14:20
XRevan86"the first of equals"Oct 08 14:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LinuxBoot for Servers: Enter Open Source, Goodbye Proprietary UEFI http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116268 [https://pleroma.site/objects/84cc7017-c64e-495b-8765-177cb427e4b4]Oct 08 14:21
XRevan86whether that statement was really true depends on the time periodOct 08 14:21
XRevan86But still not a true monarchyOct 08 14:21
XRevan86IIRC, Ivan IV the Grozny was the first guy who officially proclaimed to be a TsarOct 08 14:23
XRevan86yep, that is correctOct 08 14:24
XRevan86cubexyz: So the process wasn't gradual.Oct 08 14:25
XRevan86from feudalism to monarchyOct 08 14:25
XRevan86(and I ignored the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (West Russia) for simplicity)Oct 08 14:29
XRevan86(so there was a separate entity in the West with a more sophisticated form of government, that was also Rus' in many ways)Oct 08 14:30
XRevan86cubexyz: The worst part about history like that is that there aren't really any good guys.Oct 08 14:38
XRevan86even when school history books try to make up a narrative with good guys and bad guysOct 08 14:39
XRevan86Nicholas II was an antisemite who failed at basic leadershipOct 08 14:41
XRevan86The Provisional Government failed at understanding what the people want and got famous back in the day for yammering with no action.Oct 08 14:41
XRevan86Then Bolsheviks came and failed to deliver as well, causing a horrific Civil War.Oct 08 14:41
cubexyzyes I often ponder the irrationality of humansOct 08 14:42
XRevan86And the rivals at the Civil War were mostly conservatives, who thought that all problems are caused by falling astray from the monarchyOct 08 14:43
XRevan86Lenin is still hated by some for the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, because the war ended soon afterOct 08 14:45
XRevan86I think Lenin was the most level-headed people in power at that time, even after allowing the Civil War.Oct 08 14:47
XRevan86But… even with that assumption he still screwed up, by surrounding himself with people like Stalin.Oct 08 14:48
XRevan86and because he allowed the centralisation of power in the hands of one partyOct 08 14:49
XRevan86(which was not the initial intent exactly)Oct 08 14:49
XRevan86in the end everyone screwed upOct 08 14:50
cubexyzthat summarizes things nicely Oct 08 14:51
XRevan86Russian politics 101Oct 08 14:52
XRevan86Weirdly the same thing can be said about the dissolution of USSROct 08 14:53
<--balrog has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 08 14:54
XRevan86no one got what they wanted, except for some of the countries that got independence and fledOct 08 14:54
<--aindilis has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Oct 08 14:54
-->balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) has joined #techrightsOct 08 14:55
<--Firre_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 08 15:00
MinceR08 144313 <+XRevan86> cubexyz: The current status-quo, whatever that is for their locationOct 08 15:01
MinceR08 144352 <+XRevan86> cubexyz: Or the status-quo of the recent pastOct 08 15:01
MinceRnopeOct 08 15:01
MinceRif anything, the status quo of a long pastOct 08 15:01
MinceRor of an imagined pastOct 08 15:01
kaniinischestowitz something to research at some point might be the interaction of Windows Store distribution contracts and software patent indemnificationOct 08 15:05
---MinceR gives voice to SopaXorzTaker acer-box balrog mmu_manOct 08 15:06
kaniinii feel like this is a major reason why you don't see any "big names" in the WSL section of microsoft store other than canonical (lol) and suse (who are in cahoots with microsoft anyway as we know)Oct 08 15:06
-->Firre_ (~Firee@91-156-160-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #techrightsOct 08 15:08
schestowitzkaniini: interestingOct 08 15:12
schestowitzI never heard about it in relation to patentsOct 08 15:12
schestowitzlike, whether being included there exempts one from Microsoft patent claimsOct 08 15:13
-->aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrightsOct 08 15:13
schestowitzinteresting possibility, kaniini, but haven't seen anything even remotely related to thisOct 08 15:13
schestowitzI recently read about someone from Alpine, a developer I think, who considered quiting or quit over the WSL thingOct 08 15:14
kaniiniyes, that is meOct 08 15:14
schestowitzyou possibly know the personOct 08 15:14
schestowitzah, okOct 08 15:14
schestowitzdifferent username in mastodon instance, IIRCOct 08 15:14
kaniininope, i posted it from my pleroma account :)Oct 08 15:14
schestowitzA friend from Finland sent me the linkOct 08 15:15
kaniiniaccording to people i talked to, incompatibilities between microsoft's requirements and redhat's patent indemnification policy are problematicOct 08 15:15
kaniinii wonder if that may be a path forward for distributions to resist WSLificationOct 08 15:15
kaniiniand of course, the actual agreement is guarded by NDAOct 08 15:16
kaniiniwill continue diggingOct 08 15:16
XRevan86kaniini: I even saw your notices screenshotted :)Oct 08 15:16
schestowitzcheck who's behind WLinuxOct 08 15:16
schestowitzvery dodgyOct 08 15:17
schestowitzusername is UNIX somethingOct 08 15:17
schestowitzand he claims to be a patent prosecutor or somethingOct 08 15:17
schestowitzwhich I found oddOct 08 15:17
schestowitzWhich would such a person show up out of nowhere and support Debian... only as a tool of Vista10Oct 08 15:17
schestowitzhe confronted me for my criticism.... in TwitterOct 08 15:17
schestowitznever heard these people's names beforeOct 08 15:18
kaniinii meanOct 08 15:18
schestowitz(mainly one such person)Oct 08 15:18
kaniinii am sure WSL is a lot betterOct 08 15:18
kaniinithan cygwinOct 08 15:18
XRevan86kaniini: BTW, what do you use Alpine for?Oct 08 15:18
XRevan86or usedOct 08 15:18
schestowitzanswers might be there... if you dig deep enoughOct 08 15:18
XRevan86kaniini: containers? embedded?Oct 08 15:18
kaniiniXRevan86: everythingOct 08 15:18
schestowitzcould be another 'unix' person like Nat Friedman and Miguel de IcazaOct 08 15:18
XRevan86kaniini: Even home computer?Oct 08 15:18
schestowitzcygwin i obsoleteOct 08 15:19
kaniinibut today is not going well, i just asked the core team to vote on a statement affirming the importance of software freedomOct 08 15:19
schestowitzI used it in college under Win98Oct 08 15:19
kaniinimsys2 i guess is the new hotnessOct 08 15:19
kaniinibut i am sure wsl is probably better than thatOct 08 15:19
schestowitzit was quite crap then, I moved to an x session tool together with putty for x forwardingOct 08 15:19
kaniinii'm not really against syscall emulation, it is the "app store" part that is problematicOct 08 15:20
schestowitzVMs made cygwin obsoleteOct 08 15:20
kaniiniagreedOct 08 15:20
schestowitzbut that was more than 15 years agoOct 08 15:20
kaniiniXRevan86 yes, i run Adelie (Alpine derivative) on TALOSOct 08 15:20
schestowitzwindows market share was back then over 90%Oct 08 15:20
schestowitznow about 35% and declining Oct 08 15:20
schestowitzphones were just chromescreen Nokias, Motorolas back thenOct 08 15:21
kaniinii also have a mac, but that hardware is starting to failOct 08 15:21
kaniiniso will probably be using the TALOS full time soonOct 08 15:21
schestowitzmy laptop turns 10 soonOct 08 15:21
kaniiniand i run Alpine on a dell laptopOct 08 15:21
kaniinii got a mac like 6 years agoOct 08 15:21
kaniiniwhen systemd first came outOct 08 15:21
kaniiniand wrecked my shit, and i got irritated by itOct 08 15:22
schestowitzthey're expensive for no good reasonOct 08 15:22
kaniinii agreeOct 08 15:22
schestowitzmaybe the icons on the desktopOct 08 15:22
schestowitzyou can get faenzaOct 08 15:22
kaniiniat one point, there was good QA, but those days are long goneOct 08 15:22
schestowitzso I heardOct 08 15:22
schestowitz)same friend from Finland)Oct 08 15:22
schestowitzhe got a slimbook insteadOct 08 15:22
XRevan86kaniini: I've noticed that the repository is seriously lacking for a desktop user (or a server user in some applications)Oct 08 15:23
kaniiniQA situation is just as bad as Vista10Oct 08 15:23
XRevan86hence why I ask :)Oct 08 15:23
schestowitzI don't think I ever used Vista10Oct 08 15:23
schestowitzI saw screenshots though... if that countsOct 08 15:23
schestowitzseems like an off 'os' like chromeosOct 08 15:23
schestowitzexcept entirely proprietaryOct 08 15:24
XRevan86https://code.foxkit.us/adelie/gcompat though maybe Adélie is better with that %)Oct 08 15:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-code.foxkit.us | Adélie Linux / gcompat | GitLabOct 08 15:24
kaniinihehe, gcompat was my idea :)Oct 08 15:24
schestowitzupdates itself, spies, merely rented and 'takes over' the hardware, even the boot sequenceOct 08 15:24
kaniiniit is like wine for glibc binariesOct 08 15:24
schestowitzbrbOct 08 15:24
XRevan86kaniini: interesting :)Oct 08 15:24
schestowitzmeed to catch up with aclu eff etcOct 08 15:25
XRevan86kaniini: Did you ever think about the locale problem?Oct 08 15:25
kaniiniit is a challengeOct 08 15:25
kaniiniwe need to still work with musl developers to find a solutionOct 08 15:25
kaniinii guess i should probably work quickly to get whatever last set of changes i want in alpine done thoughOct 08 15:25
kaniinithey are probably going to kick me out because i threatened to sue microsoftOct 08 15:26
kaniiniapparently that is a "CoC violation"Oct 08 15:26
kaniinican't wait to do the tell all to el reg on that oneOct 08 15:26
XRevan86kaniini: So they want to pull a busybox? %)Oct 08 15:27
XRevan86or, more presicely, you want to pull a busybox, and they want to pull a GoogleOct 08 15:27
XRevan86Google's approach on GPL is very interesting.Oct 08 15:27
kaniinii want to resist microsoft's newest effort to undermine software freedomOct 08 15:27
kaniiniusing whatever tools in the toolbox i haveOct 08 15:27
kaniinithe video at microsoft ignite should be seen as a warningOct 08 15:28
kaniiniit confirms my view that WSL is about giving people just enough "linux" to make them not try the real thingOct 08 15:28
XRevan86kaniini: I haven't seen thatOct 08 15:29
XRevan86kaniini: But I still agreeOct 08 15:29
kaniinihttps://youtu.be/6brrLutInCw?t=4m02sOct 08 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Windows Subsystem for Linux and Enterprise - BRK2112 - YouTubeOct 08 15:29
kaniiniyou can hear it in their own words right thereOct 08 15:30
kaniiniit's all about keeping you on that vista10 trainOct 08 15:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What’s New in Nitrux 1.0.16 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116269 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dfbbeeaf-d129-4136-a73d-2a375820ef38]Oct 08 15:35
XRevan86kaniini: "pretty amazing"Oct 08 15:41
XRevan86kaniini: Oh yeah, it's literally EEEOct 08 15:41
kaniinii know, right?Oct 08 15:41
kaniinibut yet, people on the TOP SEKRIT ALPINE CORE CHANNEL are likeOct 08 15:42
kaniinikaniini you are wrongOct 08 15:42
kaniinimicrosoft wouldnt be doing thisOct 08 15:42
kaniinithey are run by satya nowOct 08 15:42
kaniinisatya is goodOct 08 15:42
kaniinilikeOct 08 15:42
kaniiniwho the fuck caresOct 08 15:42
kaniiniEEE is EEE regardless of who or what is doing itOct 08 15:42
XRevan86He accomplished a marvel that is Windows 10, he must be a good guyOct 08 15:43
kaniinii had to "fix" a vista10 machineOct 08 15:43
kaniinifor my grandmotherOct 08 15:43
kaniinii literally wanted to shoot myselfOct 08 15:43
XRevan86kaniini: mkfs.xfs?Oct 08 15:43
kaniinii wound upOct 08 15:43
kaniinibuying them a chromebookOct 08 15:43
kaniiniand telling them to use that insteadOct 08 15:43
XRevan86kaniini: Why not GNU/Linux?Oct 08 15:44
kaniinibecauseOct 08 15:44
kaniiniall they needOct 08 15:44
kaniiniis a web browserOct 08 15:44
kaniiniand chromebooks have fancy recovery shitOct 08 15:44
XRevan86kaniini: And you bought them that %)Oct 08 15:44
kaniiniand chromium osOct 08 15:44
XRevan86instead of installingOct 08 15:44
kaniiniis FOSS anywayOct 08 15:44
kaniiniXRevan86 i wanted somethingOct 08 15:44
kaniinithey could not breakOct 08 15:44
kaniinibecause if they break itOct 08 15:45
kaniinii have to travel 2000 milesOct 08 15:45
kaniinito fix itOct 08 15:45
XRevan86kaniini: I unfortunately don't know enough about the ChromiumOS stuff, but I have a bad feeling if it's anything like actual ChromiumOct 08 15:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Now Is the Time to Start Planning for the Post-Android World http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116270 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6e3c9b02-10db-408a-a041-fc10e73db8a1]Oct 08 15:45
kaniiniXRevan86 it is basically just a harness to build a custom gentoo image which runs chromeOct 08 15:45
XRevan86kaniini: And especially if you didn't remove ChromeOS and install ChromiumOS yourself %)Oct 08 15:46
kaniiniwellOct 08 15:46
kaniinii mean, i didn't bother with thatOct 08 15:46
kaniiniyou can install your own image onto those chromebooks thoughOct 08 15:46
kaniinieven put normal linux on it if i wanted i guessOct 08 15:46
kaniinibut i just wanted a quick fix that if "Microsoft" called them from the "Windows 10 support centre"Oct 08 15:47
kaniinithat it wouldn't go anywhere usefulOct 08 15:47
kaniinido you know what i am talking aboutOct 08 15:47
kaniinithere's people who call up phonelinesOct 08 15:47
kaniinisaying they are from microsoft or apple or whateverOct 08 15:47
kaniiniand then they scam old people into running trojansOct 08 15:48
kaniiniand take over their shitOct 08 15:48
kaniiniso, i mean, the chromebook, it's a necessary evil in this caseOct 08 15:50
kaniini$200 laptop they can't break, because it's all run from ramOct 08 15:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116271 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1e73d870-eee8-4a35-8fe4-7c82570793e7]Oct 08 15:55
-->Firre (~Firee@91-156-160-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #techrightsOct 08 16:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: #Krita , scikit-survival, #RcppCCTZ , #Weblatehttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116272 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a96ca74c-2766-415b-bb18-672d96a48ffe]Oct 08 16:01
<--Firre_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Oct 08 16:04
schestowitz[15:42] <kaniini> they are run by satya nowOct 08 16:06
schestowitzit's notOct 08 16:06
schestowitzsatya is run by the BoardOct 08 16:06
kaniiniindeedOct 08 16:06
schestowitzwhich included criminals like Bill GatesOct 08 16:06
kaniinibut, the SUPER SEKRIT alpine core channelOct 08 16:06
MinceRit's crazy how many people fall for m$'s propaganda about them having changedOct 08 16:06
kaniiniis convinced that microsoft have somehow changedOct 08 16:06
kaniiniand yetOct 08 16:06
kaniinithey have been doing the same shitOct 08 16:07
kaniiniall alongOct 08 16:07
MinceRi guess they just really wanted it to be trueOct 08 16:07
kaniini"oh, well, just because Microsoft is evil doesn't make threatening to sue them acceptable"Oct 08 16:07
kaniini???????????????Oct 08 16:07
kaniiniand people wonder why i spend more of my time on FOSS these days working on stuff like Pleroma instead of AlpineOct 08 16:07
MinceRlolOct 08 16:07
schestowitzAlpine was close to DockerOct 08 16:08
schestowitzis that still so?Oct 08 16:08
kaniiniyes, and Solomon bet the company on Alpine *because* of Alpine's values of championing software freedomOct 08 16:08
schestowitzWSL and EEE are anagrams :-)Oct 08 16:08
schestowitzeven if there's no E in WSLOct 08 16:08
kaniini(of course, Solomon paid the price for that, but that's for another day I suppose)Oct 08 16:08
MinceRwhat happened to alpine?Oct 08 16:09
schestowitzwhat is he doing after getting kicked out?Oct 08 16:09
kaniinidunnoOct 08 16:09
schestowitzand Torvalds is self-kickoutOct 08 16:09
MinceRnot sure about the "self" partOct 08 16:09
schestowitzI guess GNU will kick out RMS soonOct 08 16:09
schestowitzWikileaks 'kicked' out Assange last weekOct 08 16:09
MinceRwhy would they?Oct 08 16:10
MinceRrms, gnu and fsf are pushing the cancerd hype train togetherOct 08 16:10
schestowitz(he's actually incommunicado)Oct 08 16:10
kaniiniMinceR oh, microsoft are trying to get me kicked out of alpine coreOct 08 16:10
MinceRoh, i seeOct 08 16:10
MinceRentryism?Oct 08 16:10
kaniinibecause i am actually attempting to resist their effortsOct 08 16:10
schestowitzDocket lost MurdockOct 08 16:10
schestowitzwho 'only' made DebianOct 08 16:10
MinceRwell, debian is deadOct 08 16:11
schestowitzI can't wait to get kicked out of techrightsOct 08 16:11
schestowitzfor my big coc violationsOct 08 16:11
MinceRlolOct 08 16:11
kaniinifunny thing is, murdock said alpine is the more 'pure' side of that whole thingOct 08 16:11
kaniinivs what debian has becomeOct 08 16:11
kaniini(if you didn't know, alpine started as a reaction to basically complete mismanagement of emdebian)Oct 08 16:11
kaniinias alpine was the 'correction' to debian, i suppose adelie will become the 'correction' to alpine in the futureOct 08 16:12
MinceRi didn't knowOct 08 16:12
kaniinia little over a decade ago, some debian developers wanted to replace dpkg+apt with something newOct 08 16:15
kaniinithat's largely where modern alpine comes from ;)Oct 08 16:15
cubexyzI tried alpine... it was OK, but no firefox Oct 08 16:31
cubexyzprobably because of no glibcOct 08 16:31
MinceRapparently adelie is supposed to have failfoxOct 08 16:55
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu Phone Users Now Finally Have a VoIP (Voice over IP) App, Linphone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116273 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2806c05d-4b3d-48d5-9b75-3cc8bfdff083]Oct 08 17:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Windows in US Politics Poses a Threat, Hack2Win, and 12.5 Million Hacked Email Archives Available Publicly http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116279 [https://pleroma.site/objects/40812f2d-be1f-4e2d-a64a-035786ffe05e]Oct 08 17:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian-Based antiX Linux Gets L1TF/Foreshadow, Meltdown, and Spectre Mitigations http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116274 [https://pleroma.site/objects/63f5a07c-3b5e-4ddd-89af-8e0c680ceb58]Oct 08 17:07
cubexyzhow does gnu units change kilograms into pounds?Oct 08 17:10
cubexyzok, I must have typed in everything but kg :-/Oct 08 17:14
-->hnasiet (~hnasiet@a109-48-58-167.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrightsOct 08 17:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti To GTX 980 Ti TensorFlow Benchmarks With ResNet-50, AlexNet, GoogLeNet, Inception, VGG-16 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116275 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ddbac871-34f4-4877-968c-533a9f2e48bb]Oct 08 17:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #ExTiX 18.10 Is the First Linux Distro Based on Ubuntu 18.10 (Cosmic Cuttlefish) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116276 [https://pleroma.site/objects/72169c27-c9d1-4213-94c1-9b52abcf796f]Oct 08 17:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116277 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d3070178-4b2a-483b-b677-0c508b14b0ca]Oct 08 17:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #KDE Plasma 5.15 Desktop Environment Will Start Faster, Bring More Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116278 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6588e82f-88ec-4529-9d91-d0a03dfe8cf0]Oct 08 17:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: The Away Team, Warhammer 40,000: Gladius - Relics of War, ATOM RPG and Sipho http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116280 [https://pleroma.site/objects/19cfdded-ee8e-4447-bf42-e8515524dc11]Oct 08 17:28
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: DDR4, MacBook Pro Fixes, AMDGPU in Linux 4.18 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116281 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7b6ac322-44d7-495e-a162-2d6216b9bdea]Oct 08 17:32
-->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrightsOct 08 17:49
<--Firre has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Oct 08 17:52
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Umair Riaz's Icons and Themes News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116282 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ef04eea9-aadf-41ce-ac41-e8d78dee5dd0]Oct 08 17:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: #Hamara 2.1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116283 [https://pleroma.site/objects/94551469-633a-45b1-9262-5ac8efdafd8e]Oct 08 18:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla and Chrome: WebP, WebAssembly and Google Chrome Alternatives http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116284 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2162af4d-187e-4247-95eb-fb591d3e2606]Oct 08 18:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming/Development Performance Analysis Toolset, Python, and Software Quality Assurance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116285 [https://pleroma.site/objects/58fac70b-3599-4339-89dd-a2048b9c8658]Oct 08 18:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Update on /e/ (Formerly Eelo, Android Without Google) and Android/Google News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116286 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c8ddc85a-2f26-46ef-ba07-638ae32c328e]Oct 08 18:23
<--hnasiet has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 08 18:48
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software and HowTos: Rancher, Laverna, gtop, Manuals, KeeWeb and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116287 [https://pleroma.site/objects/55abf399-a469-4c4f-8904-d49311411287]Oct 08 18:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Auto industry’s thirst for software is quenched by open source http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116288 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eab79e82-9358-450d-ae07-e6c0fd12e4a3]Oct 08 18:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FUD and #Openwashing (Making Malicious Software Seem Ethical) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116289 [https://pleroma.site/objects/75ea4fbb-f990-4e93-889f-f7ecb3c5a159]Oct 08 19:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SUSE punts SES v5.5 out door, says storage is going software-defined and open source http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116290 [https://pleroma.site/objects/44a2a313-12ef-4abe-b32f-978aa9575aa9]Oct 08 19:04
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Assassin’s Creed Odyssey On Linux (DXVK), Games Over the Browser http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116291 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e90f8b9e-423d-4381-9596-28708e277173]Oct 08 19:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Linux, Updates, Linux Security Summit Europe, Facebook Cameras Inside Your House http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116292 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0e53b41c-6ae5-46bf-b9e9-e12dd5d96d36]Oct 08 19:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics/Hardware: CUDA, AMD, Intel and Phoronix Test Suite http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116293 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1c819d0a-7a33-42c4-9b6c-6e70dbdef903]Oct 08 19:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116294 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7d2dcf65-ec6b-4bd7-be92-57da25c7278b]Oct 08 19:52
<--SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 08 20:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 8/10/2018: Linux 4.19 RC7, Mageia 6.1, Calculate Linux 18 http://techrights.org/2018/10/08/linux-4-19-rc7/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/ac8b0536-e375-41c6-9be2-5f9b82bad280]Oct 08 20:03
MinceRhttps://66.media.tumblr.com/91b68f7a38ab8571d38123fc7f50384e/tumblr_inline_on9ylgLW0p1re7yis_500.gifOct 08 20:31
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18011316Oct 08 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 08 21:02
<--Firee has quit (Quit: lolmoi)Oct 08 21:23
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18011039Oct 08 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 08 21:29
-->hnasiet (~hnasiet@a109-48-58-167.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrightsOct 08 21:33
<--hnasiet has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Oct 08 22:00
MinceRhttps://xkcd.com/2021/Oct 08 22:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Software DevelopmentOct 08 22:37
MinceRhttps://xkcd.com/2022/Oct 08 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Sports ChampionsOct 08 23:24
XRevan86> It's a good thing you're cute, Wesley, or you could really be obnoxious.Oct 09 00:03
XRevan86cubexyz: this lineOct 09 00:03
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18011433Oct 09 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 09 00:04
XRevan86cubexyz: I think the reason why Wesley is so unsettling is because the actor acts as if he's on drugsOct 09 00:06
XRevan86and his character is definitely not positioned to be a junkieOct 09 00:07
XRevan86and lines to be said don't match eitherOct 09 00:08
<--MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Oct 09 00:19
-->MinceR (~mincer@unaffiliated/mincer) has joined #techrightsOct 09 00:21
---ChanServ gives channel operator status to MinceROct 09 00:26
---MinceR gives voice to aindilisOct 09 00:27
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 09 00:36
cubexyzXRevan86, a "wesley heavy" episode :)Oct 09 01:38
XRevan86cubexyz: still pretty niceOct 09 01:39
XRevan86Wesley failed to get into the academy.Oct 09 01:40
cubexyzevidently the actor has chronic depressionOct 09 01:41
XRevan86cubexyz: I heard a lot of people really dislike him for something he may have doneOct 09 01:43
XRevan86cubexyz: That can make one depressiveOct 09 01:43
XRevan86> I'm also triggered by the C++ stub they wrote to make their bullshit Alpine packaging on WSLOct 09 02:03
XRevan86kaniini: C++ stub? o_OOct 09 02:03
kaniiniyes, C++ stubOct 09 02:37
kaniinithey have little .exe files that bridge between windows and WSL worldsOct 09 02:37
kaniinibut the stub is so badOct 09 02:37
kaniiniit is likeOct 09 02:37
kaniiniconst std::string DistributionName = "Alpine"Oct 09 02:37
kaniiniSetWindowTitleW(Distribution::DistributionName.c_str());Oct 09 02:38
kaniinilikeOct 09 02:38
kaniiniwhyyyyyyyyOct 09 02:38
kaniiniit's a CONSTOct 09 02:38
XRevan86kaniini: Very efficient codeOct 09 02:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #​Redis Labs and Common Clause attacked where it hurts: With open-source code http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116295 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d4b09285-ee3c-405e-9a24-31beda5a6524]Oct 09 02:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How new-lines affect the Linux kernel performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116296 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e9cedcf3-20e6-4007-a696-4f9cd5c9c869]Oct 09 03:04
XRevan86kaniini: Especially the std::string partOct 09 03:06
XRevan86Though maybe it helps with code uniformityOct 09 03:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Emmabuntüs Debian Edition 2 Is Now Based on Debian GNU/Linux 9.5 "Stretch" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116297 [https://pleroma.site/objects/af642927-cc41-4dc4-974b-11b22099b19b]Oct 09 03:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #TenFourFox FPR10b1 and #Firefox Push Notifications in #Vista10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116298 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3673e6db-1fa4-459b-aa70-9ddd005db752]Oct 09 03:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Matthias Clasen on Flatpak 1.2 Schedule http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116299 [https://pleroma.site/objects/70891610-7f86-4965-b4b9-f9bdc8b1fb70]Oct 09 03:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNOME Shell & Mutter Reach Their 3.30.1 Milestone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116300 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c796c555-1599-492a-a736-01240c2d916c]Oct 09 03:16
kaniini"tinyssh: initscript invokes package manager"Oct 09 03:17
kaniiniha ha, i don't want to live on this planet anymoreOct 09 03:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Canonical/Ubuntu: Weekly Newsletter, Design and Web, #Ubuntu Doing #OpenStack http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116301 [https://pleroma.site/objects/066b2fe1-b281-495f-9044-dc34d6520362]Oct 09 03:31
schestowitzwhat is tinyssh?Oct 09 04:10
schestowitzis openssh already tiny enough?Oct 09 04:10
schestowitz*isn'tOct 09 04:11
schestowitzor maybe tiny is newspeak for "bloated"Oct 09 04:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LoRa gateway and node boards run on Raspberry Pi power http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116302 [https://pleroma.site/objects/081ea29a-4ab2-4ea8-85f9-07e178177a49]Oct 09 04:13
kaniinischestowitz tinyssh is much smaller than openssh, it embeds NaCl inside it instead of using openssl etcOct 09 04:16
kaniinihaha, actuallyOct 09 04:17
kaniinidropbearOct 09 04:17
kaniiniis smaller than tinysshOct 09 04:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Google+ and Hyper-Threading (Intel) Compromised http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116303 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fe9cad2a-3c0a-4b1a-a91d-9019884536cf]Oct 09 04:17
kaniiniohOct 09 04:18
kaniinitinyssh have clients included, dropbear does notOct 09 04:18
kaniiniin alpine, tinyssh package is 495kb, dropbear server only is 420kb, openssh server only is 696kbOct 09 04:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116304 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fcbbe2dc-ba02-4ba0-b885-1fc53db06880]Oct 09 04:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116305 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9732c7e3-2fab-4b4c-9e8f-71313d18e7f3]Oct 09 04:42
-->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrightsOct 09 05:35
oiaohmkaniini: https://maruel.ca/post/tinyssh-2/  there is a lot more to the differences.Oct 09 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-maruel.ca | TinySSH vs othersOct 09 06:46
oiaohmkaniini: http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/ssh/privsep.html  tinyssh and other skip out on some critical design things.Oct 09 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.citi.umich.edu | Privilege Separated OpenSSHOct 09 06:46
kaniinioiaohm i'm aware, but for some usecases it does not matter :pOct 09 06:47
oiaohmkaniini: I know the arguement but when you have had coding errors in tinyssh and others turn up.   The number of use cases where the separation does not in fact matter get insanely small.Oct 09 06:49
oiaohmkaniini: Privillege separation is something you don't want services skipping out on.Oct 09 06:51
oiaohmkaniini: think about it openssl implemented that in 2002.   We are decade latter and we still have items like tinyssh not doing it.Oct 09 06:53
oiaohmkaniini: opps not openssl openssh.Oct 09 06:53
kaniini(is now a bad time to mention that i actually do use openssh)Oct 09 06:53
oiaohmkaniini: my problem is I don't know valid use case to recommend tinyssh.Oct 09 06:55
oiaohmkaniini: the saving in storage/memory are not enough to offset the possible nightmares even.Oct 09 06:55
kaniinii would recommend tinyssh over dropbearOct 09 06:56
kaniinibut i spent 2 months nuking a botnet of compromised IoT devices running dropbearOct 09 06:56
kaniinithat were used to attack freenodeOct 09 06:56
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 09 06:56
kaniiniin general, i agree that openssh is more robust thoughOct 09 06:56
oiaohmI have had IoT devices breached with dropbear and tinyssh inside.Oct 09 06:58
oiaohmBoth are fairly much kick me signs.Oct 09 06:58
oiaohmhttps://busybox.net/tinyutils.html  << dropbear turns up a lot because busybox suggests it and those using IoT devices normally don't look any deeper.Oct 09 06:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-busybox.net | BusyBoxOct 09 06:59
oiaohmkaniini: only thing I can say good about IoT device that has used dropbear or tinyssh is at least they did not use a telnetdOct 09 07:01
oiaohmkaniini: in most cases.Oct 09 07:01
oiaohmkaniini: yes I have found a few with telnetd and either dropbear and tinyssh.   That used as much space as having a proper openssh and is pure security nuts.Oct 09 07:02
MinceRhttps://xkcd.com/2023/Oct 09 07:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Y-AxisOct 09 07:30
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 09 07:47
MinceRhttps://xkcd.com/2024/Oct 09 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Light HacksOct 09 08:13
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/549078.jpgOct 09 08:35
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/549070.jpgOct 09 08:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Academix GNU/Linux – A Debian-Based Education-Focused Distro http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116307 [https://pleroma.site/objects/abf54c4a-0e0b-495a-afb9-a0e3b37caf74]Oct 09 09:09
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 0.3 Release of Elisa Music Player http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116308 [https://pleroma.site/objects/65a7541f-97f8-4a46-aa0c-6e90babc3a3b]Oct 09 09:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: First #VyOS 1.2.0 release candidate is available for download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116309 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f957c65d-9d84-4331-a0e1-2e34a5fc9050]Oct 09 09:17
-->acer-box__ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 09 09:20
<--acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Oct 09 09:22
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 09 10:27
<--mmu_man has quit (Quit: reboot)Oct 09 12:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116311 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6fa4c014-7bd8-4610-aed2-0a6195b0168d]Oct 09 12:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Canonical Releases Important Ubuntu Kernel Live Patch to Fix L1TF, SpectreRSB http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116310 [https://pleroma.site/objects/111a1628-aa11-4e45-9e09-118c5d0090dd]Oct 09 13:12
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 09 13:15
-->SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) has joined #techrightsOct 09 13:24
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116312 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7f197a25-5136-43ef-ac25-18af5850fdde]Oct 09 13:28
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116313 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a0c18219-2cc0-4ed7-84df-52cd5a8d1063]Oct 09 13:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: “Made By Google” Event http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116314 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7319d4cf-3fbe-4b45-87bd-f2fa8d467939]Oct 09 14:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Kingdom Rush Origins, TinyBuild, Openwashing, Niffelheim, Unleashed, AI War 2, A Gummy's Life, KURSK and Wine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116315 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e3ca2a31-b128-4919-b071-a039c5223472]Oct 09 14:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora: F29 Later This Month, Firefox on Wayland, and Josef Strzibny's Upcoming Book http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116316 [https://pleroma.site/objects/91deb4cd-40ac-4e6e-b78f-8b2f595edaca]Oct 09 14:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: MSM-Next Bringing A6xx Performance Improvements, Fixes To The Linux Kernel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116318.co.uk [https://pleroma.site/objects/4543552f-10a3-4ba9-9404-127cd2995530]Oct 09 15:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Convert Screenshots of Equations into LaTeX Instantly With This Nifty Tool http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116317 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ffab7f03-ca62-486a-83ea-81379218e8a3]Oct 09 15:26
---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man Firee SopaXorzTaker acer-box__Oct 09 15:48
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat News Picks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116319 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4a7aa1e8-692a-4a73-9b21-0bf20e48ae97]Oct 09 16:27
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116320 [https://pleroma.site/objects/22a931c1-454c-4e5b-8fb5-b7ebbe83e6b5]Oct 09 16:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today's Red Hat Series on Programming/Development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116321 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3ff50115-9628-4b6c-a0cb-69cd3d8aa1ee]Oct 09 16:42
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PiCluster 2.4 is out! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116322 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1a07d798-e1e0-424c-bc27-cd71b4161224]Oct 09 16:51
<--schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Oct 09 18:00
-->schestowitz (~roy@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 09 18:01
<--schestowitz has quit (Changing host)Oct 09 18:01
-->schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 09 18:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Farewell, application menus! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116326 #gnome [https://pleroma.site/objects/31dba59e-54c9-4bfd-87fd-88cd4b3c9272]Oct 09 18:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116325 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c966a283-3773-49b1-9ad6-906a808b3801]Oct 09 18:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #DragonFlyBSD 5.3 Offering Some Performance Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116324 #bsd #unix [https://pleroma.site/objects/b14114e8-7f7d-4ca2-8651-f58a1094cca8]Oct 09 18:23
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Plasma 5.14 Comes with New Features and a Much Polished Environment http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116323 [https://pleroma.site/objects/47f2a33e-f2ee-45e0-8ebe-8ed5c53def41]Oct 09 18:27
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #bpftrace (DTrace 2.0) for #Linux 2018 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116327 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3b7e7eab-2d42-45d8-bad1-54e8e086db57]Oct 09 18:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Trusting the delivery of Firefox Updates, Reproducible Builds Weekly Report and Security updates for Tuesday http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116328 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a96351c5-4937-4710-ac5b-6df5da6a5164]Oct 09 18:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian: LTS, TeX Live and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116329 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d5f81b3a-a59b-4b05-b478-2ab47e090ac4]Oct 09 18:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116330 [https://pleroma.site/objects/59e1491a-1c19-4cd0-8ace-1758988ce5a7]Oct 09 19:04
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116331 [https://pleroma.site/objects/186f8847-63e0-49bc-92fc-3229481642f4]Oct 09 19:06
<--SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 09 19:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 9/10/2018: Plasma 5.14, Flatpak 1.2 Plan http://techrights.org/2018/10/09/links-9102018-plasma-5-14-flatpak-1-2-plan/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/3f6eb240-5064-4773-ac61-d7e73c047ece]Oct 09 19:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linus' Behavior and the Kernel Development Community http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116332 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ffcfeea1-cf16-4210-80fb-799a07412564]Oct 09 19:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Network appliance and ATX board debut AMD’s Epyc Embedded 3000 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116333 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b5969918-cee2-4d2a-912d-12c9e8fbe01b]Oct 09 19:45
<--aindilis has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 09 19:58
-->aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrightsOct 09 20:00
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/6LDwNBd.gifvOct 09 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | ImgurOct 09 20:11
<--schestowitz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 09 20:16
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 9 20:34:25 2018
-->You are now talking on #techrightsOct 09 20:34
---Topic for #techrights is TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovellOct 09 20:34
---Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012Oct 09 20:34
-->schestowitz (~roy@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 09 20:34
<--schestowitz has quit (Changing host)Oct 09 20:34
-->schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 09 20:34
schestowitzfirst rebppt since NovemberOct 09 20:44
schestowitzpasting diffs just in case Oct 09 20:44
---MinceR gives voice to schestowitz schestowitz_log aindilisOct 09 20:45
schestowitzce]Oct 09 20:45
schestowitz[19:20] [Notice] -viera to #techrights- Tux Machines: Linus' Behavior and the Kernel Development Community http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116332 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ffcfeea1-cf16-4210-80fb-799a07412564]Oct 09 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linus' Behavior and the Kernel Development Community | Tux MachinesOct 09 20:45
schestowitz[19:45] [Notice] -viera to #techrights- Tux Machines: Network appliance and ATX board debut AMD’s Epyc Embedded 3000 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116333 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b5969918-cee2-4d2a-912d-12c9e8fbe01b]Oct 09 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Network appliance and ATX board debut AMD’s Epyc Embedded 3000 | Tux MachinesOct 09 20:45
schestowitz[19:58] <-- aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has left this server (Remote host closed the connection).Oct 09 20:45
schestowitz[20:00] --> aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined this channel.Oct 09 20:45
schestowitz[20:11] <MinceR> https://i.imgur.com/6LDwNBd.gifvOct 09 20:45
schestowitz[20:11] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- i.imgur.com | ImgurOct 09 20:46
schestowitz[20:16] <-- schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has left this server (Ping timeout: 252 seconds).Oct 09 20:46
schestowitzdoneOct 09 20:47
schestowitzlaptop also cleaned off gunkOct 09 20:47
schestowitzit's on the floor all the timeOct 09 20:47
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/548996.jpgOct 09 20:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116334 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1abde6f5-999f-4409-b657-eafcb50296fe]Oct 09 20:54
<--Firee has quit (Quit: lolmoi)Oct 09 21:00
<--acer-box__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Oct 09 21:07
-->acer-box__ (~acer-box@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 09 21:07
<--acer-box__ has quit (Changing host)Oct 09 21:07
-->acer-box__ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 09 21:07
<--aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)Oct 09 21:34
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/Pjv7UpY.gifvOct 09 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | "Thank you for your collaboration."Oct 09 21:36
<--acer-box__ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Oct 09 21:47
-->acer-box (~acer-box@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 09 21:52
<--acer-box has quit (Changing host)Oct 09 21:52
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 09 21:52
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/vEY7BV9.pngOct 09 22:15
XRevan86> https://hugelolcdn.com/i/548996.jpgOct 09 22:34
XRevan86- See a gopher?Oct 09 22:34
XRevan86- I don't.Oct 09 22:34
XRevan86- Neither do I. But he's there!Oct 09 22:34
XRevan86That's a quote from a weird Russian film that I didn't see, about the army %).Oct 09 22:36
MinceRhttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/e1/40/33/e14033f20e1bf25cb0272ba53c040e8d.pngOct 09 22:37
XRevan86MinceR: hehOct 09 23:04
DaemonFC[m]I got pulled over by a bicycle cop.Oct 10 01:01
-->pidgin_log (~roy@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 10 01:01
-->amarsh04_ (~amarsh04@124-169-219-176.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:19
<--amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 10 02:19
<--acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 10 02:25
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:26
<--razielle_tzu has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--ryjen has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--amarsh04_ has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--cubexyz has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--pidgin_log has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--cubelog has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--XRevan86 has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--vallor_ has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--balrog has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--DaemonFC[m] has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--MinceR has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--siel has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--dmb has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--viera has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--hl has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--kaniini has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--Glyphie23___ has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--XFaCE has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--acer-box has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--Researcher- has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--mmu_man has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--oiaohm has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--ohama has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--gde33 has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--trn has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--prurigro has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--alynpost has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--schestowitz has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--tessier has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--Valfor_ has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
<--ChanServ has quit (*.net *.split)Oct 10 02:37
-->alynpost (~alynpost@prgmr/staff/lobsters.sysadmin.alynpost) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:42
-->prurigro (~prurigro@li365-7.members.linode.com) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:42
-->trn (~trn@prone.ws) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:42
-->gde33 (~gde33@546A1876.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:42
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to alynpost prurigro trn gde33Oct 10 02:42
-->ohama (ohama@cicolina.org) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:42
-->oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:42
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:42
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to ohama oiaohm mmu_manOct 10 02:42
-->amarsh04_ (~amarsh04@124-169-219-176.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:43
-->cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:43
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to cubexyzOct 10 02:43
-->acer-box (~acer-box@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:43
-->schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:43
-->tessier (~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:43
-->Valfor_ (~Valfor@bnc.d0xed.com) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:43
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to schestowitz tessier Valfor_Oct 10 02:43
-->DaemonFC[m] (daemonfcma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-exeryqxvwvpencbp) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:43
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to DaemonFC[m]Oct 10 02:43
-->kaniini (~kaniini@2600:1700:8660:6160:7930:b261:e7af:cd7) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:44
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to kaniiniOct 10 02:44
-->razielle_tzu (~razielle_@host86-139-107-156.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:44
-->ryjen (~ryjen@159.203.15.192) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:44
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to razielle_tzu ryjenOct 10 02:44
-->MinceR (~mincer@unaffiliated/mincer) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:44
-->siel (~siel@unaffiliated/motley) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:44
-->dmb (~dmb@pool-173-54-191-67.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:44
-->viera (~viera@2001:19f0:6401:16e8:5400:1ff:fea0:a22b) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:44
---livingstone.freenode.net gives channel operator status to MinceROct 10 02:44
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to siel dmb vieraOct 10 02:44
-->XFaCE (~XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:45
-->pidgin_log (~roy@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:45
-->cubelog (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:45
-->XRevan86 (7018dab47d@meowr.ru) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:45
-->vallor_ (~Ponzo@c.ponzo.net) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:45
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to cubelog XRevan86 vallor_Oct 10 02:45
-->Glyphie23___ (sid163528@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msirntxvtoqhqvsp) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:45
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to Glyphie23___Oct 10 02:45
-->hl (~hl@unaffiliated/hl) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:45
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to hlOct 10 02:45
-->Researcher- (iana@gtld.ovh) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:45
---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to Researcher-Oct 10 02:45
<--viera has quit (Excess Flood)Oct 10 02:45
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Happens to the best of us.Oct 10 02:46
-->ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:47
---livingstone.freenode.net gives channel operator status to ChanServOct 10 02:47
-->balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) has joined #techrightsOct 10 02:49
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)Oct 10 03:28
-->aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrightsOct 10 05:02
<--pidgin_log has quit (Quit: Leaving.)Oct 10 05:19
schestowitz@kaniini the bot fall offlineOct 10 05:21
-->viera (~viera@2001:19f0:6401:16e8:5400:1ff:fea0:a22b) has joined #techrightsOct 10 05:23
-->pidgin_log (~roy@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 10 05:25
---ryjen is now known as zerogueOct 10 05:32
---zerogue is now known as MarkanthOct 10 05:35
---Markanth is now known as zerogueOct 10 05:35
-->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrightsOct 10 05:50
<--zerogue has quit (Quit: Goodbye Cruel World)Oct 10 06:52
---MinceR gives voice to Firee amarsh04_ XFaCE balrogOct 10 07:13
---MinceR gives voice to aindilis pidgin_log viera acer-boxOct 10 07:13
-->zerogue (~irc@nullstruct.com) has joined #techrightsOct 10 07:18
MinceRhttps://files.catbox.moe/ahi4u9.jpgOct 10 07:49
<--pidgin_log has quit (Quit: Leaving.)Oct 10 09:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian GNU/Linux 9 "Stretch" Gets New Kernel Patch to Fix Two Security Flaws http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116336 [https://pleroma.site/objects/03c53c5b-cfb5-4a24-b281-bac0ba9db542]Oct 10 09:04
schestowitzMinceR: oh, I hate this breedOct 10 09:13
schestowitzgood description of what it isOct 10 09:13
MinceRi hate the subspeciesOct 10 09:13
schestowitzthe smaller they get, the louder they areOct 10 09:13
schestowitzmaking up for their insecuritiesOct 10 09:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: XCOM 2, Humble Discovery Pack, Obsidian, Unreal Engine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116337 [https://pleroma.site/objects/88f1490d-ad12-45fb-9cdf-ee4523bb56d8]Oct 10 09:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116339 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c8005700-f545-4302-b89d-798feb94b047]Oct 10 10:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: UberWriter – A Feature-Rich GTK+ Markdown Editor http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116338 [https://pleroma.site/objects/060fb70f-46ed-4eae-b9ae-495aacbba66b]Oct 10 10:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat and Fedora: Red Hat Developer Studio, Red Hat Container, NeuroFedora SIG, Fedora at LinuxDays 2018 in Prague http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116341 [https://pleroma.site/objects/12bb0b28-52e8-4eb1-bd0e-a86a48490032]Oct 10 10:09
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: An introduction to using tcpdump at the Linux command line http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116342 [https://pleroma.site/objects/05bc4b2d-d86a-4e17-9bb8-44ea27e65536]Oct 10 10:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116340 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a7c41159-98f8-4293-ba63-9d443f4029e2]Oct 10 10:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1049946989469855744Oct 10 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I've become looking at people who say "Microsoft loves Linux" in the same way I look at people who say "Julian… https://t.co/pJmHnCiGEUOct 10 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I've become looking at people who say "Microsoft loves Linux" in the same way I look at people who say "Julian… https://t.co/pJmHnCiGEUOct 10 10:22
schestowitz*begunOct 10 10:22
schestowitzI've become looking at people who say "Microsoft loves Linux" in the same way I look at people who say "Julian #assange is dead" and "global warming is a hoax"""Oct 10 10:22
<--cmdshftn has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)Oct 10 10:29
cubexyzdid microsoft drop all their patent claims vs linux?Oct 10 10:31
cubexyzthat would be a positive sign... until then...Oct 10 10:31
cubexyzhow about never given M$ another cent? :)Oct 10 10:32
cubexyzs/given/giving/Oct 10 10:32
cubexyzso yeah, it's just bullshitOct 10 10:33
-->cmdshftn (~cmdshftn@li825-185.members.linode.com) has joined #techrightsOct 10 10:33
oiaohmschestowitz: I would say Microsoft loves Linux for making them money.Oct 10 11:16
<--kaniini has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)Oct 10 13:35
<--acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 10 13:45
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 10 13:46
<--aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)Oct 10 14:09
MinceRhttp://flatkill.org/Oct 10 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-flatkill.org | Flatpak - a security nightmareOct 10 14:34
MinceRmicrosoft can't love linux as they're still scared of itOct 10 14:35
---MinceR gives voice to cmdshftn zerogue acer-boxOct 10 14:35
MinceRabrahamics believe it's possible to love and fear the same entity at the same time, but in reality this is not possibleOct 10 14:35
-->kaniini (~kaniini@99-190-5-133.lightspeed.tulsok.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrightsOct 10 14:44
<--Firee has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 10 15:30
-->EvilRoey (~roey@flame-n.senet-int.com) has joined #techrightsOct 10 15:39
EvilRoeyhiOct 10 15:39
EvilRoeyhttps://news.slashdot.org/story/18/10/10/1435204/microsoft-joins-open-invention-network-oin-will-grant-a-royalty-free-and-unrestricted-license-to-its-entire-patent-portfolio-to-all-other-oin-membersOct 10 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.slashdot.org | Microsoft Joins Open Invention Network (OIN), Will Grant a Royalty-Free and Unrestricted License To Its Entire Patent Portfolio To All Other OIN Members - SlashdotOct 10 15:39
EvilRoeywhat do you all think of that?Oct 10 15:39
MinceRi'm highly skepticalOct 10 15:40
kaniiniHAHOct 10 15:47
kaniinithey probably did that to buy favor at alpineOct 10 15:47
kaniinibecause i literally told themOct 10 15:47
kaniinito do thatOct 10 15:47
XRevan86kaniini: Why do they care about Alpine so much?Oct 10 15:49
kaniiniXRevan86 they want to ship alpine inside windows 10 as a component instead of this crazy "go download Ubuntu from Windows Store" thingOct 10 15:49
XRevan86it's not like an uber-lightweight OS can matter much on top of a mega-bloat that is Windows 10Oct 10 15:50
XRevan86kaniini: ohOct 10 15:50
XRevan86kaniini: That makes sense…Oct 10 15:50
XRevan86well, except for the part that that would be illegal %)Oct 10 15:52
XRevan86kaniini: Can they actually ship a distribution with GPLv3 in it with Windows 10?Oct 10 15:53
kaniinii don't see why not, as long as the redistribution complies with the GPLv3 obligationsOct 10 15:53
---MinceR gives voice to kaniini EvilRoeyOct 10 15:54
kaniinithat said, microsoft still have a long way to come yetOct 10 15:54
XRevan86Though yeah, there's no problem in allowing to do one whatever they want with WSLOct 10 15:55
kaniiniwhat is odd, is that they like Alpine more than SuSE which they basically ownOct 10 15:55
-->SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) has joined #techrightsOct 10 15:56
XRevan86kaniini: Attachmate is gone for yearsOct 10 15:56
MinceRmaybe they realized that whatever they acquire they instantly run into the groundOct 10 15:56
XRevan86kaniini: SUSE is owned by an odd investment firm right nowOct 10 15:56
kaniiniAzure Sphere is also based on AlpineOct 10 15:57
MinceRlooks like slashdot replaced their bill borg icon with a boring old m$ logoOct 10 15:57
kaniiniit is very odd, Microsoft is one of the largest contributors to Alpine these days, even beyond that of Adélie and DockerOct 10 15:57
XRevan86Like I understand it, that firm operates by releasing companies into the free world after acquiring and investing in themOct 10 15:58
MinceRlolOct 10 15:59
XRevan86So the situation with SUSE cannot be worse than with Canonical and Red HatOct 10 16:01
XRevan86kaniini: I think they don't want a shipped distro to have a big impact on the OS size.Oct 10 16:02
kaniiniyeah, but alpine technologies are core to Azure Sphere (their IOT thing) tooOct 10 16:02
MinceRit can'tOct 10 16:02
MinceRconsidering how incredibly bloated all m$ products areOct 10 16:02
XRevan86MinceR: The installer still fits on a DVDOct 10 16:03
XRevan86probably won't with Ubuntu or RHEL on itOct 10 16:03
XRevan86or SLEOct 10 16:03
MinceRhow many sides and layers does it have, and how many gigabytes of data does it download afterwards?Oct 10 16:03
XRevan86MinceR: I've got an impression that it downloads almost a whole OS when a big update comes upOct 10 16:04
MinceRsee? :>Oct 10 16:04
XRevan86MinceR: Still fits on a DVD somehow %)Oct 10 16:04
MinceRyeah, somehow they managed to fit the downloader on a dvdOct 10 16:05
XRevan86I didn't check but I think they still sell thoseOct 10 16:05
MinceRmust have hired external help to do itOct 10 16:05
XRevan86My point is that an additional Ubuntu is a sure way to undo thatOct 10 16:07
MinceRwell, maybe a "modern" releaseOct 10 16:08
MinceRthey learned from microsoft how to do very little with a lotOct 10 16:08
XRevan86Apparently an image of Windows 10 x86_64 is already 4.8GOct 10 16:09
MinceRdo they run systemd on WSL?Oct 10 16:09
XRevan86MinceR: They literally cannotOct 10 16:09
XRevan86at least not as PID 1Oct 10 16:09
MinceRthen i don't see what would be bloated about itOct 10 16:10
MinceRthey don't need to ship the kernel or systemd, and therefore they also don't need to ship gnome3Oct 10 16:10
MinceRi doubt they ship a web browser either, since internet edgesplorer won't run on ubuntuOct 10 16:10
MinceRwait, i mean backdoor with gui disguised as web browserOct 10 16:11
XRevan86A Windows 7 SP1 Ultimate x86_64 image is 3GOct 10 16:11
XRevan86MinceR: GUI won't work either.Oct 10 16:11
XRevan86they only need CLI stuffOct 10 16:11
MinceRsee, that gets rid of a lot of "modern" bloatOct 10 16:12
XRevan86And on Ubuntu systemd will still be there, although I'm not sure how they run itOct 10 16:13
XRevan86to make systemd services workOct 10 16:13
XRevan86Would be interesting to find out how they run it all, but for that I'd need Windows 10 with Windows Store %0Oct 10 16:14
XRevan86%)Oct 10 16:14
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 10 16:18
-->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrightsOct 10 16:22
kaniiniWSL uses a custom initOct 10 16:22
XRevan86kaniini: How does it run systemd?Oct 10 16:23
XRevan86hm, or any other init for that matterOct 10 16:23
kaniiniit does Weird ShitOct 10 16:24
XRevan86kaniini: Or is it SysV compatible? That would enable OpenRC to work.Oct 10 16:24
kaniinithe distribution provides the custom initOct 10 16:24
kaniiniit is basically a stub that lets the real init run under WSLOct 10 16:25
XRevan86and of course systemd is magical, wants all sorts of things that WSL won't provideOct 10 16:26
XRevan86They probably run it with --user, but that can have all sorts of problems.Oct 10 16:29
MinceRalso, i doubt WSL provides Holy CgroupsOct 10 16:29
<--EvilRoey (~roey@flame-n.senet-int.com) has left #techrights ("Leaving")Oct 10 16:29
MinceRso even if you could run systemd there, it wouldn't be able to do anything :>Oct 10 16:29
XRevan86https://vk.com/video-105007569_456240809 it's time to workOct 10 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Welcome! | VKOct 10 16:33
---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man Firee SopaXorzTakerOct 10 16:35
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/toys-r-us-computers-puzzles-1982.jpgOct 10 16:39
MinceRwhat is this?Oct 10 16:41
cubexyzthis is what we used for computers in 1982 :)Oct 10 16:42
MinceR:)Oct 10 16:43
cubexyzthe vic-20 had 5K of ramOct 10 16:43
cubexyzif you were rich you could buy a Sun-1Oct 10 16:44
schestowitzSteven Vaughan-Nichols wrote on 10/10/18 14:46:Oct 10 16:51
schestowitz> https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-open-sources-its-entire-patent-portfolio/  Oct 10 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-​Microsoft open-sources its patent portfolio | ZDNetOct 10 16:51
schestowitz> Oct 10 16:52
schestowitz> Any thoughts to share for a follow up article?Oct 10 16:52
schestowitzSame thing as this:Oct 10 16:52
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2018/10/05/microsoft-dpa-for-marketing/Oct 10 16:52
schestowitzLike I said at the time, it's the same as OIN more of less.Oct 10 16:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Uses LOT Network to Spread Lies and Promote Its Protection Racket | TechrightsOct 10 16:52
XRevan86> open-sources its patent portfolioOct 10 16:52
XRevan86Do patents have sources now?Oct 10 16:53
XRevan86Questionable usage of terminology I see hereOct 10 16:53
schestowitz[15:47] <kaniini> they probably did that to buy favor at alpineOct 10 16:55
schestowitzOIN is just a DPAOct 10 16:56
schestowitzSee http://techrights.org/2018/10/05/microsoft-dpa-for-marketing/Oct 10 16:56
schestowitzpredictable move from themOct 10 16:56
cubexyzit seems zdnet is just a microsoft mouth-piece?Oct 10 16:56
schestowitz[15:55] <kaniini> what is odd, is that they like Alpine more than SuSE which they basically ownOct 10 16:56
schestowitzThey killed SUSEOct 10 16:56
kaniinithat's trueOct 10 16:57
schestowitzAnd then went around sleeping with everyoneOct 10 16:57
kaniinii can't say much publicly, but my understanding is that Microsoft intend to terminate their relationship with IVOct 10 16:58
kaniiniwe will see if they do it or notOct 10 16:59
kaniinithis is basically the Iran deal of patents, have to make moves one step at a time and verify everythingOct 10 16:59
schestowitz[16:56] <cubexyz> it seems zdnet is just a microsoft mouth-piece?Oct 10 16:59
schestowitzCBS, so yesOct 10 16:59
schestowitzand SJVN is also close to Zemlin PACOct 10 17:00
schestowitzat least he sent me email asking for my views on thisOct 10 17:00
schestowitz[16:58] <kaniini> i can't say much publicly, but my understanding is that Microsoft intend to terminate their relationship with IV]Oct 10 17:00
schestowitzNoOct 10 17:00
schestowitzI wrote about this recentlyOct 10 17:00
schestowitzSee for starters http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intellectual_VenturesOct 10 17:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intellectual Ventures - TechrightsOct 10 17:00
schestowitzI research them for 12 yearsOct 10 17:00
kaniinii'm well aware of IVOct 10 17:00
schestowitzsee more recent articlesOct 10 17:00
schestowitzbrbOct 10 17:01
schestowitzI might want to write about it fast if the propaganda spreadsOct 10 17:01
schestowitzJust got back homeOct 10 17:01
XRevan86> They killed SUSEOct 10 17:01
XRevan86schestowitz: https://youtu.be/Jdf5EXo6I68?t=57Oct 10 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python - "Not Dead Yet" Scene (HD) - YouTubeOct 10 17:01
schestowitzit's similar to e http://techrights.org/2018/10/05/microsoft-dpa-for-marketing/Oct 10 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Uses LOT Network to Spread Lies and Promote Its Protection Racket | TechrightsOct 10 17:01
schestowitzBut I didn't MS statements on OINOct 10 17:01
schestowitz"​Microsoft open-sources its patent portfolio"-headlineOct 10 17:02
schestowitzLOLOct 10 17:02
schestowitzwhat bullOct 10 17:02
schestowitzno such thingOct 10 17:02
kaniiniyeah, the press is reporting it badlyOct 10 17:03
kaniinianyway, ultimately, behaviour is the metric that mattersOct 10 17:03
MinceRhttps://github.com/auchenberg/volkswagenOct 10 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - auchenberg/volkswagen: Volkswagen detects when your tests are being run in a CI server, and makes them pass.Oct 10 17:04
schestowitzkaniini: I guess better use of time would be to mostly skip the puff piecesOct 10 17:04
schestowitzTBH, I'm not sure I want to write about it much as it's similar to the above, just swap "LOT Network" with "OIN"Oct 10 17:05
XRevan86Apparently "Open Source" is a buzzword now that can hold any meaning at allOct 10 17:07
XRevan86Headline: "Windows 10 open-sources your data by releasing it into the cloud"Oct 10 17:08
<--SopaXorzTaker has quit (Quit: Leaving)Oct 10 17:08
XRevan86(just in case: I made it up)Oct 10 17:09
cubexyzsure sureOct 10 17:09
MinceR:)Oct 10 17:09
schestowitzSUSE barely even blogs anymoreOct 10 17:09
schestowitzalmost deadOct 10 17:09
schestowitz(Re [17:01] <XRevan86> > They killed SUSE)Oct 10 17:09
kaniinisuse seems to be wandering around like a zombieOct 10 17:10
kaniinithey shipped an "enterprise linux" for raspberry pi 3Oct 10 17:10
kaniinii mean, i guessOct 10 17:10
kaniinibecause everyone needs an "enterprise linux" for their raspberry pi, i guessOct 10 17:10
kaniinii need that 1 hour support SLA for my raspberry piOct 10 17:11
kaniinilolOct 10 17:11
MinceRwell, if i want stuff to be complex, bloated and i don't want it to work, i look for "enterprise"Oct 10 17:11
XRevan86https://www.suse.com/c/blog/ I didn't know there's a blog %)Oct 10 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enterprise Software Blog with Expert Views & Technical Solutions | SUSEOct 10 17:14
XRevan86schestowitz: There's lots of activity in openSUSE.Oct 10 17:15
MinceRdoes it take a lot of activity to copy redhat? :>Oct 10 17:16
XRevan86schestowitz: And openSUSE is the basis for new releases of SLE.Oct 10 17:16
schestowitzBarely any releases of SLED or SLES anymoreOct 10 17:16
schestowitzhave not heard of SLED for agesOct 10 17:16
schestowitzbecame just opensuseOct 10 17:16
schestowitzthen Greg K-H with tumbleweedOct 10 17:16
schestowitzsuitable nameOct 10 17:16
schestowitzjust barely tumbling along full of trashOct 10 17:16
XRevan86schestowitz: SLE 15 SP1 is in the worksOct 10 17:16
schestowitzthen Greg joined Zemlin PACOct 10 17:16
MinceRi thought the point was that you get to pay for SLED and have more bureaucracy in place for getting packagesOct 10 17:17
schestowitzyeahOct 10 17:17
MinceRopensuse doesn't quite do thatOct 10 17:17
schestowitzold modelOct 10 17:17
schestowitzbblOct 10 17:17
schestowitzdon't panic about the OIN thing, is was predictableOct 10 17:17
XRevan86schestowitz: SLED hasn't went anywhere eitherOct 10 17:18
schestowitzGroklaw and Phipps/OSI kept urging for meOct 10 17:18
schestowitzI was like, "wahh??"Oct 10 17:18
XRevan86I don't know who uses that but probably the same kinds of people who use RHELOct 10 17:18
schestowitzAs if joining an IBM front group for software patents changes muchOct 10 17:18
XRevan86https://www.suse.com/releasenotes/x86_64/SUSE-SLED/15/Oct 10 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Release Notes | SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop/SUSE Linux Enterprise Workstation Extension 15 GAOct 10 17:19
XRevan86https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15 this thing is recentOct 10 17:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-build.opensuse.org | Show openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15 - openSUSE Build ServiceOct 10 17:20
XRevan86I guess similiar to EPELOct 10 17:20
XRevan86except biggerOct 10 17:22
XRevan86apparently they got almost the whole Leap 15.0 there %)Oct 10 17:22
XRevan86SLED 15 with Cinnamon – it's more likely than you thinkOct 10 17:23
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Gains for Open Document Format (ODF) and Nextcloud http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116343 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4e7ad182-cc74-4af3-8580-99a81832feb4]Oct 10 17:29
schestowitzXRevan86: thanks for the refOct 10 17:42
schestowitzI no longer track them closelyOct 10 17:42
schestowitzsame for gates, msft etc.Oct 10 17:42
schestowitzalso the oin thing, which isn't imho big newsOct 10 17:42
schestowitza microsoft "pr opportunity"Oct 10 17:42
schestowitzit imposes no actual constraints on themOct 10 17:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: G+, SSH, GAO, Flatpak, Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 'Extended', More on China's Alleged Supply Chain Attackshttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116347 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5da729c0-7ff4-495e-bf42-b8527fab8818]Oct 10 17:53
XRevan86https://kali.org/news/kali-linux-in-the-windows-app-storeOct 10 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kali.org | Kali Linux in the Windows App Store | Kali LinuxOct 10 17:58
XRevan86Seriously, Kali Linux…Oct 10 17:58
XRevan86https://opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=49424 A news article about Microsoft and OIN on OpenNET.Oct 10 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opennet.ru | OpenNews: ????? Microsoft ??????? ? ????? ? ??? Linux ? ????? ?????Oct 10 18:17
XRevan86schestowitz: It spreads.Oct 10 18:17
XRevan86https://linux.org.ru/news/opensource/14525445 and Linux.org.ru (not yet approved)Oct 10 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru | Microsoft присоединяется к Open Invention Network, добавляя в общий пул около 60 тысяч патентов — Open Source — НовостиOct 10 18:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU: GNU Guix, GNU Guile, Parabola GNU/Linux-libre http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116353 [https://pleroma.site/objects/043559be-4ef2-4fac-8601-6c4b2d7c3c76]Oct 10 18:18
schestowitzOpenNET?Oct 10 18:21
schestowitzSounds like an MSFT openwashing thingOct 10 18:21
XRevan86> The whole article on ZDNet is full of words of love and cuddles from the tops of Microsoft to Open Source and Linux and claims that in the past they "had no bicycle" (a reference to Prostokvashino about a mailman who was grumpy before he got a bicycle)Oct 10 18:21
schestowitzanyway, I will do a short post about it later and then move onOct 10 18:21
XRevan86schestowitz: The biggest FOSS-related Russian news website.Oct 10 18:21
schestowitzwhy all caps NET?Oct 10 18:22
XRevan86schestowitz: who knows %)Oct 10 18:22
XRevan86It predates .NET if that's what you're wondering about ;)Oct 10 18:23
XRevan861996Oct 10 18:23
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux-driven LoRaWAN gateway ships with new “Wzzard” LoRa nodes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116344 [https://pleroma.site/objects/617108d3-783e-46b7-9911-924675086652]Oct 10 18:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New Manjaro Beta Builds a Better Arch http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116345 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4261fe52-f46b-4878-b086-edcf6d8a73cb]Oct 10 18:28
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux-Based #Airtame 2 Offers an Enterprise Alternative to Chromecast http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116346 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2d841972-8d46-4d73-a542-73297ee29bed]Oct 10 18:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 4.18.13, 4.14.75, 4.9.132 and 4.4.160 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116348 #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/a357bbcb-f629-4866-b97c-c5c007a3f202]Oct 10 18:34
schestowitzXRevan86: ok, cheersOct 10 18:35
schestowitzwhen I think of Russian gnu/linux geeks I still think of crackers in adidas clothing or somethingOct 10 18:35
schestowitzThat's the stigma made up by Western mediaOct 10 18:36
XRevan86o_0Oct 10 18:36
XRevan86gopniks are like russian gangstersOct 10 18:36
XRevan86not really into computers muchOct 10 18:36
schestowitzgopniksOct 10 18:37
schestowitznever heard this work beforeOct 10 18:37
schestowitz*wordOct 10 18:37
XRevan86I heard it used in English tooOct 10 18:37
cubexyz slang, for lower class whiteOct 10 18:37
schestowitzI know MitniksOct 10 18:37
cubexyzas in Kevin Mitnick? :)Oct 10 18:38
XRevan86https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BAOct 10 18:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | гопник - WiktionaryOct 10 18:40
XRevan86-nik is a common suffix of courseOct 10 18:44
XRevan86Windows user – vinduzyatnik (derogatory :))Oct 10 18:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #​CloudFoundry embraces #Kubernetes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116355 [https://pleroma.site/objects/98d4e522-9f77-47f5-adf9-c0a9d0880935]Oct 10 18:45
cubexyzdozer :)Oct 10 18:45
XRevan86someone who works with systems can be called sistemnikOct 10 18:46
XRevan86and a system block of a computer is commonly called that %)Oct 10 18:47
cubexyzhttp://mirror.uncyc.org/wiki/File:Startrek-BSoD.gifOct 10 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mirror.uncyc.org | File:Startrek-BSoD.gif - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopediaOct 10 18:48
XRevan86cubexyz: Should be updated with the new ":(" BSoD (:Oct 10 18:48
XRevan86I love how inappropriate that ":(" isOct 10 18:48
cubexyz1987-1994 BSOD is appropriate :)Oct 10 18:49
XRevan86you've lost your work, we're sad about it but not reallyOct 10 18:52
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Stationeers, Between the Stars, Off Grid, Mark of the Ninja: Remastered, Timespinner http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116356 [https://pleroma.site/objects/431ecc66-ff77-4c10-b59a-636839efd52a]Oct 10 18:52
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/linus-gives-win7-bsod-thumbs-up.jpgOct 10 18:53
cubexyzand my personal favourite:Oct 10 18:55
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-informative-error.pngOct 10 18:55
XRevan86https://www.linux.org.ru/news/opensource/14525445?cid=14525762 hahOct 10 18:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru | Microsoft присоединяется к Open Invention Network, добавляя в общий пул около 60 тысяч патентов — Open Source — НовостиOct 10 18:57
XRevan86Timeo Danaos et dona ferentesOct 10 18:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CentOS 6 and RHEL 6 Get Important Kernel Security Update for FragmentSmack Flaw http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116349 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dcd56e7b-a25e-4839-982c-fbc4cb3ab6a6]Oct 10 18:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #GNOME Plans to Retire Application Menus from the GNOME 3.32 Desktop Environment http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116350 [https://pleroma.site/objects/97a3fda0-2fba-44c8-9c19-d4fe4b13f6bf]Oct 10 19:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat Converges CoreOS Features In OpenShift Container Platform 3.11 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116351 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a22753e8-1575-4739-9124-e14a3aa75954]Oct 10 19:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: You Can Now Run #Ubuntu 18.04 on Raspberry Pi 3 with #BunsenLabs Helium Desktop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116352 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d13427ce-e896-4bf9-bf25-33ac7d8145bf]Oct 10 19:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116354 [https://pleroma.site/objects/07dda52a-b5bc-4035-8991-8ad7051d31fd]Oct 10 19:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #RedHat and #Fedora Picks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116357 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9a5ab738-ef3f-4450-bb6f-9b4ae5db51f5]Oct 10 19:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu: Ubuntu 18.10, Ubuntu in 'Smart' cities, and Snaps in Numbers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116358 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1686bb76-b66c-4d9d-8f43-32dfcf5d96a9]Oct 10 20:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: TLS Certificate Distrust, Bugzilla Automatic Bug Triaging Challenge, Firefox Nightly and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116360 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b458a2a0-40da-4d07-853a-e38b702c2992]Oct 10 20:55
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GCC: Optimizing Linux, the Internet, and Everything http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116361 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1c0bc2a9-f692-45ba-866b-dba78989f7a7]Oct 10 21:02
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116362 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5e8e2b7d-6f34-468e-93c3-26bbc0cb4a0b]Oct 10 21:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programs and Programming: #DICOM Viwers, #Turtl , #Weblate , #Rust and #Python http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116363 [https://pleroma.site/objects/539414bf-6dbd-413a-ad99-df9045de1a5b]Oct 10 21:16
<--Firee has quit (Quit: lolmoi)Oct 10 21:29
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18101040Oct 10 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 10 21:32
XRevan86MinceR: not funOct 10 21:33
MinceRfor the person visible in the video, indeedOct 10 21:34
<--acer-box has quit (Quit: Konversation term)Oct 10 21:45
-->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 10 21:45
oiaohmhttps://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/microsoft-joins-open-invention-network-to-help-protect-linux-and-open-source/  << This is going to be interesting to watch.Oct 10 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-azure.microsoft.com | Microsoft joins Open Invention Network to help protect Linux and open source | Blog | Microsoft AzureOct 10 21:49
MinceRyeahOct 10 21:50
MinceRand probably sadOct 10 21:50
oiaohmMicrosoft patent revune from Linux has been dropping.Oct 10 21:51
oiaohmIt could be that Microsoft joined OIN to avoid having OIN patents used against windows.Oct 10 21:52
MinceRicOct 10 21:53
XRevan86I wonder what Microsoft gets from MPEG LAOct 10 21:54
XRevan86that's not covered by OIN, so…Oct 10 21:54
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/pH58hVq.jpgOct 10 22:03
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1810108Oct 10 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 10 22:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Threading, Streebog, USB 3.0, "Thermal Pressure" and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116364 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9fedd539-241b-4997-8557-daacb7b97e13]Oct 10 22:27
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GPUs and Graphics: Nvidia, X.Org Developers' Conference, vRt and ROCm http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116365 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ef70a9d2-7607-4f3b-83b9-3b6cde43bc3a]Oct 10 22:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: WhatsApp, Flatpak and DNS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116366 [https://pleroma.site/objects/29a6ddd6-c0e8-4aa2-a318-47b4ef311c58]Oct 10 22:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116367 [https://pleroma.site/objects/184a839d-95a8-4151-8c69-c6b1291cd594]Oct 10 22:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116368 [https://pleroma.site/objects/237d704c-a33b-4bd8-b7f2-cec01b7f79b5]Oct 10 22:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 10/10/2018: Unreal Engine 4.21 Preview, Red Hat Openshift Container Platform 3.11 http://techrights.org/2018/10/10/red-hat-openshift-container-platform-3-11/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/f0c397d0-126e-49fd-9397-cd7eefed2d6f]Oct 10 22:46
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100950Oct 10 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 10 23:09
---MinceR gives voice to acer-boxOct 10 23:09
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft says they have 60,000+ patents.Oct 10 23:25
DaemonFC[m]I wonder.... What all of those could be. Oct 10 23:25
MinceRmostly totally ludicrous shit that's both obvious and there's prior art to it, but patent offices accept it regardless and courts seriously consider enforcing themOct 10 23:26
DaemonFC[m]Many of the ones that they went after companies that used Linux and other open source stuff with were obvious crap that shouldn't have been issued in the first place.Oct 10 23:26
MinceRincluding software patents registered in the EU despite the laws of the EUOct 10 23:26
MinceRyes, even the VFAT patent has prior art, by LinusOct 10 23:26
MinceRdid anyone care?Oct 10 23:26
-->aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrightsOct 11 00:08
<--amarsh04_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Oct 11 00:17
-->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@124-169-219-176.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrightsOct 11 00:25
-->pidgin_log (~roy@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 11 00:59
schestowitz[21:49] <oiaohm> https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/microsoft-joins-open-invention-network-to-help-protect-linux-and-open-source/  << This is going to be interesting to watch.Oct 11 01:02
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2018/10/10/lotnetwork-msft-and-now-oin/ Oct 11 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Invention Network is a Proponent of Software Patents — Just Like Microsoft — and Microsoft Keeps Patents It Uses to Blackmail Linux Vendors | TechrightsOct 11 01:02
-->ryjen (~irc@nullstruct.com) has joined #techrightsOct 11 01:11
<--zerogue has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 11 01:14
---ryjen is now known as zerogueOct 11 01:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #OpenInventionNetwork is a Proponent of #SoftwarePatents -- Just Like Microsoft -- and #Microsoft Keeps #Patents It Uses to #Blackmail Linux Vendors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116371 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fc039ca3-aa46-4f81-96fe-0c3707e9f1a4]Oct 11 01:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A Look At Linux Application Scaling Up To 128 Threads http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116359 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8c76a80c-1491-42e9-add2-5182a7fb7bc6]Oct 11 01:21
DaemonFC[m]Does this cover exfat?Oct 11 01:22
DaemonFC[m]Lots of stuff uses that and unfortunately I've had to rely on a fuse module.Oct 11 01:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Control Flow Integrity in the Android kernel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116369 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4661d8db-fad3-4fad-9931-09acebbdaaac]Oct 11 01:23
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OIN loves Microsoft; OIN loves software patents as well. So Microsoft’s membership in OIN is hardly a surprise and it’s not solving the main issue either, as Microsoft can indirectly sue http://techrights.org/2018/10/10/lotnetwork-msft-and-now-oin/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/7a5aa9c9-c539-4af0-8e05-5d58bedf1e9d]Oct 11 01:23
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116370 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7bcc14b4-abdc-4bbe-91b9-2a19ce239e0e]Oct 11 01:25
DaemonFC[m]The FreeDOS developers specced out a way to break the 4 GB file size limit on FAT32 and called it FAT+, but unfortunately,  you can't just use such a volume interchangeably with FAT32 aware operating systems.Oct 11 01:27
DaemonFC[m]They can read the files you wrote as FAT+, but if you change any attributes on those systems, the file will get truncated and corrupted.Oct 11 01:27
<--siel has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 11 02:38
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)Oct 11 02:40
-->siel (~siel@unaffiliated/motley) has joined #techrightsOct 11 02:44
<--siel has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)Oct 11 02:57
<--aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Oct 11 04:07
-->siel (~siel@unaffiliated/motley) has joined #techrightsOct 11 04:21
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: you are on the same thought as me if exfat is covered this could allow exfat mainline linux.Oct 11 04:57
-->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrightsOct 11 05:50
cubexyzkildall could have used Microsoft for that matterOct 11 06:43
cubexyzuhhOct 11 06:43
cubexyzs/used/sued/Oct 11 06:43
cubexyzneed to wake upOct 11 06:43
cubexyzPaterson copied CP/M's API including the firsst 36 functionsOct 11 06:45
cubexyzCaldera did sue microsoft later onOct 11 06:49
cubexyzthe suit was settled in 2000Oct 11 06:50
cubexyzmonopolization, illegal tying, exclusive dealing and tortious interference by M$Oct 11 06:52
cubexyz...fake error messages in windows 3.1Oct 11 06:52
cubexyzanyways, Digital Research really did drop the ball with CP/M-86Oct 11 06:54
cubexyzjust imagine CP/M-68K on non-intel processors and wonder how different things could have beenOct 11 06:55
-->aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrightsOct 11 07:21
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100949Oct 11 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 11 07:26
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100934Oct 11 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 11 07:40
<--pidgin_log has quit (Quit: Leaving.)Oct 11 09:06
schestowitz[23:26] <MinceR> mostly totally ludicrous shit that's both obvious and there's prior art to it, but patent offices accept it regardless and courts seriously consider enforcing themOct 11 09:22
schestowitzTHIS.Oct 11 09:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/lightweight/status/1050211712081616897Oct 11 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lightweight: @verbman Also, it's unclear whether all the patents held by MSFT's various patent troll proxies (like Intellectual… https://t.co/iwolX1aS5kOct 11 09:33
schestowitz"Also, it's unclear whether all the patents held by MSFT's various patent troll proxies (like Intellectual Ventures) will also be contributed... That'd be interesting to know. Suspect that @schestowitz will have an informed view on that."Oct 11 09:33
schestowitzYou got the point, one among several. http://techrights.org/2018/10/10/lotnetwork-msft-and-now-oin/ Oct 11 09:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/NoMoreGames100/status/1050224023337099264Oct 11 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoMoreGames100: @schestowitz @wikileaks Got to get the people lost in space back on track #QAnonOct 11 09:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/GarrettCobarr/status/1050255184746536960"Oct 11 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GarrettCobarr: In early years of Gates Foundation, I attended an education function. Gates was bitching about citizens & tax levie… https://t.co/G2pOE0e5gBOct 11 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GarrettCobarr: In early years of Gates Foundation, I attended an education function. Gates was bitching about citizens & tax levie… https://t.co/G2pOE0e5gBOct 11 09:35
schestowitz"Oct 11 09:35
schestowitzGarrett Cobarr Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Oct 11 09:35
schestowitzIn early years of Gates Foundation, I attended an education function. Gates was bitching about citizens & tax levies.Oct 11 09:35
schestowitzSomeone pointed out, it might have been me, the couple of hundred million lost in taxes by Microsoft incorporating out of state might go a long way.Oct 11 09:35
schestowitzSome stonesGarrett Cobarr added,Oct 11 09:35
schestowitz"Oct 11 09:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/1050265561903636480Oct 11 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz "as simple as #dns lookup" DNS is hard (UDP/TCP, packet size, EDNS, lack of proper error, ...) and to… https://t.co/VQzWMJzTsKOct 11 09:36
schestowitz""as simple as #dns lookup" DNS is hard (UDP/TCP, packet size, EDNS, lack of proper error, ...) and to that you can add some differences between server implementations"Oct 11 09:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/hughbarnard/status/1050298619016998912Oct 11 09:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hughbarnard: @schestowitz Thanks, several of us had a Twitter spat yesterday with someone who claimed @Microsoft has 'really cha… https://t.co/11nupffooTOct 11 09:38
schestowitz"Oct 11 09:38
schestowitzThanks, several of us had a Twitter spat yesterday with someone who claimed @Microsoft has 'really changed'.  Like an abusive partner, they've just another set of justifications and abuses. Actually, this is probably arguably 'worse' because of the consortium aspect.Oct 11 09:38
schestowitz0 replies 1 retweet 0 likesOct 11 09:38
schestowitz"Oct 11 09:38
kaniinii propose that we watch what microsoft does with it's "exFAT licensing" initiative as a metric for whether or not what they say is trueOct 11 10:03
schestowitzI shall watch thatOct 11 10:46
schestowitzthey're already asked by FSF and Conservancy about itOct 11 10:46
schestowitzkaniini: Net Friedman blocked meOct 11 10:46
schestowitzBUT... I never spoke to himOct 11 10:46
schestowitzWhat a wonderful companyOct 11 10:46
schestowitzSo open to dialogueOct 11 10:46
schestowitz*NatOct 11 10:46
schestowitz.NOT FriedmanOct 11 10:47
<--razielle_tzu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 11 10:55
-->razielle_tzu (~razielle_@host86-177-118-179.range86-177.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 11 10:56
<--razielle_tzu has quit (Client Quit)Oct 11 11:00
-->razielle_tzu (~razielle_@host86-177-118-179.range86-177.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 11 11:02
kaniiniunsurprisedOct 11 11:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: After 16 Years of Development, The First Beta of Haiku is Finally Here http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116372 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c8ec21dd-8a16-4521-83d4-a047c16c2b4b]Oct 11 11:33
schestowitzkaniini:  CEO of XamoronOct 11 12:15
kaniinii'm well aware :pOct 11 12:15
schestowitzkaniini: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/XamarinOct 11 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Xamarin - TechrightsOct 11 12:15
schestowitzHow they got paid by MicrosoftOct 11 12:15
schestowitzRather than Novell getting the jackpotOct 11 12:15
schestowitz"Set up this company.... yada yada... and wait"Oct 11 12:16
schestowitzThey killed projects in the meantime, e.g. RovoVMOct 11 12:16
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2015/10/24/robovm-takeover-and-microsoft-fork/Oct 11 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | RoboVM Takeover of Interest to Microsoft and Its Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (E.E.E.) Strategy Against Android, Which It Says It Wants to Fork | TechrightsOct 11 12:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Proton/RADV, AMD, NVIDIA/Vulkan and X.Org Developers Conference (XDC) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116375 [https://pleroma.site/objects/740d538b-3a9c-4fc8-9481-ad37e1e5914b]Oct 11 12:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: LWN Coverage (No Longer Paywalled) and Initial HDMI 2.0 Support With Nouveau Slated For The Next Linux Kernel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116377 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eab3ab5f-d9c8-40a1-a9bc-03ef1497f66c]Oct 11 12:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116376 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0a0602ab-2e9a-401c-b060-ed02ce12f7ae]Oct 11 12:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Qt Creator 4.8 Beta released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116373 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ebd45b3d-b666-4c68-ba7a-6286da38dc74]Oct 11 12:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Exploring the Linux kernel: The secrets of Kconfig/kbuild http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116374 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1bd6ad31-285e-4589-b841-876a40a13a98]Oct 11 12:44
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 11 13:40
<--amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Oct 11 16:03
-->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@124-169-219-176.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrightsOct 11 16:07
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/WcqdLsD.jpg   https://i.imgur.com/6nPSxut.jpgOct 11 16:12
DaemonFC[m]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE5HtTxxJRMOct 11 16:52
DaemonFC[m]Lincoln Park Towing parody song.Oct 11 16:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steve Goodman's Lincoln Park Pirates - YouTubeOct 11 16:52
DaemonFC[m]They finally lost their license last month.Oct 11 16:52
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)Oct 11 17:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FOSS Project Spotlight: Tutanota, the First Encrypted Email Service with an App on F-Droid http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116378 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5074dee8-e235-4a7a-93e4-a77eb545bd31]Oct 11 17:02
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel 4.14 LTSI Is Now Officially Available for All Hardware Vendors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116379 [https://pleroma.site/objects/01ecdbd7-50c7-47a8-9ec0-840ee745824e]Oct 11 17:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian-Based Raspbian OS Gets Raspberry Pi PoE HAT Support, Latest Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116380 [https://pleroma.site/objects/19178c6d-dd0b-4e47-9eb0-bcb7e01a58ae]Oct 11 17:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Hands On & Initial Benchmarks With An Ampere eMAG 32-Core ARM Server http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116381 [https://pleroma.site/objects/765350a5-92f0-4257-b149-a55a6517019e]Oct 11 18:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Plex Media Server Is Now Available as a Snap App for Ubuntu, Other Linux Distros http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116382 [https://pleroma.site/objects/af49fa04-b47b-481a-bd7f-7de97c013e0b]Oct 11 18:07
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-4-88-176-73-144.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 11 18:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116383 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a7783d95-d569-49d0-81d4-fa290762aad6]Oct 11 18:40
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Git GUI Front-Ends And IDE Support - Git Series Part 4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116384 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7e4a8120-699d-4c34-8537-078cdb1dcc1c]Oct 11 19:09
cubexyzschestowitz, you probably saw this:Oct 11 19:19
cubexyzhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-microsoft/israel-to-end-licensing-agreement-with-microsoft-idUSKCN1L61DXOct 11 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Israel to end licensing agreement with Microsoft | ReutersOct 11 19:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Commodore 64, Steam, OCTOPTICOM, Geneshift, RimWorld, Unreal Engine, XCOM, Robocraft, Cities: Skylines - Industries http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116385 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3369766c-fecb-41c6-a80b-27880030903b]Oct 11 19:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Updates, US Weapons Systems, and Voting Risks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116386 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f591572a-329d-417c-b059-1d4f19243d48]Oct 11 19:24
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Openwashing Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116387 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b5f0a401-fa62-46c7-b96f-50dd22ee3856]Oct 11 19:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Krita 4.1.5 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116388 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cff0e4d0-b07c-46b5-8bc3-9294957412fa]Oct 11 19:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116389 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b2f59305-fef9-4c63-aa51-3ff8b1566fd6]Oct 11 20:02
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/ZULpKO6.jpgOct 11 20:05
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The heads on the TV tell me that the stock market meltdown this week is "bullish".Oct 11 20:08
DaemonFC[m]Yes, the stock market has given up 10 months worth of gains in four days.Oct 11 20:08
DaemonFC[m]Very bullish. Super bullish! Oct 11 20:08
DaemonFC[m]Suddenly, I come out ahead YTD for holding/buying some treasuries fund shares that I bought when I sold stocks in January. :)Oct 11 20:09
MinceRthat does sound like something that starts with bullOct 11 20:09
MinceRand continues with something that has the letters i, s and h in itOct 11 20:09
DaemonFC[m]Well, you can always count on the government to be in debt. Oct 11 20:10
DaemonFC[m]So there's an investment.Oct 11 20:11
schestowitzmore in debt than total GDPOct 11 20:11
DaemonFC[m]It's a tad over 3% right now, being held down by the fact that any credit agency that downgrades the government gets investigated for some of the crimes that the government had been ignoring.Oct 11 20:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, but "governments never pay their debts" and "inflation is a good thing" and "they can always print more money" and "it's a swell idea to steal the value of your currency in order to have the government pick winners and losers".Oct 11 20:14
DaemonFC[m]:)Oct 11 20:14
DaemonFC[m]The inflation-adjusted value of the US stock market is even less impressive.Oct 11 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Not even close to reaching the dotcom bubble peaks.Oct 11 20:16
DaemonFC[m]Gotta remember that the currency has lost over 40% of its value just in the last 18 years or so.Oct 11 20:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Librem 5 ❤️ GNOME 3.32 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116390 [https://pleroma.site/objects/56b4db54-f9c5-41f6-a651-d5221eed99c3]Oct 11 20:17
DaemonFC[m]Just looking at it, it's nearly doubled from the dotcom bubble peak, but adjusted for inflation, it's about the same total value as it was then.Oct 11 20:18
DaemonFC[m]But no politician will ever tell you that.Oct 11 20:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116391 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a9634340-9a36-428d-8ce4-bc72feaece29]Oct 11 20:19
DaemonFC[m]It's still unsustainable. There's going to be a recession and then given enough years and enough inflation, the S&P 500 will get back up to 2800+. Inflation pumps the stock market numbers up and makes it look like incompetent politicians and bad government policies are doing a better job.Oct 11 20:20
DaemonFC[m]I mean, all it took to "recover" on paper was the addition of another $7 trillion into the system, out of thin air.Oct 11 20:21
DaemonFC[m]Why stop there? Why not "recover" even more? It's certainly worked out fine for the Japanese.Oct 11 20:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Tumbleweed Gets Plasma 5.14, Frameworks 5.50 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116392 [https://pleroma.site/objects/79c341f8-e3ac-4732-ab26-ed2b0b725220]Oct 11 20:24
-->acer-box__ (~acer-box@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 11 20:25
<--acer-box__ has quit (Changing host)Oct 11 20:25
-->acer-box__ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrightsOct 11 20:25
<--acer-box has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Oct 11 20:25
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100911Oct 11 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 11 20:34
---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man Firee acer-box__ aindilisOct 11 20:34
---MinceR gives voice to amarsh04 zerogue siel razielle_tzuOct 11 20:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Getting started with Minikube: Kubernetes on your laptop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116393 [https://pleroma.site/objects/692c927e-0ab2-407f-a10f-a55cddc745a1]Oct 11 20:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #PostgreSQL 11 Almost Ready http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116394 #psql [https://pleroma.site/objects/0e04ba7a-285e-4b25-8b49-155e078291a9]Oct 11 20:49
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)Oct 11 20:56
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 11 21:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116395 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f953b943-3419-4800-ac21-87a4c6159dd2]Oct 11 21:13
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100819Oct 11 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 11 21:14
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/551815.jpgOct 11 21:44
<--Firee has quit (Quit: lolmoi)Oct 11 21:46
XRevan86Life can be hard even with two displays when there are two catsOct 11 22:21
schestowitz# cat | cat | screenOct 11 22:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116396 [https://pleroma.site/objects/95a4c1d3-6b9a-4dde-a7d3-4ac9d7a9b65f]Oct 11 22:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116397 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f54416f5-c1b7-4b14-97a7-d87c05c9e302]Oct 11 22:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 11/10/2018: PostgreSQL 11 RC1 Released, Librem 5 Loves GNOME 3.32 http://techrights.org/2018/10/11/postgresql-11-rc1-released/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/5d1b1ed5-f1bb-42b2-ba8b-9c8276b5b9b0]Oct 11 23:04
<--gde33 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)Oct 12 00:04
-->pidgin_log (~roy@host81-152-237-172.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrightsOct 12 01:03
<--TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)Oct 12 05:06
<--schestowitz_log has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)Oct 12 05:06
---Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).Oct 12 05:06
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 12 05:06:48 2018
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 12 05:07:10 2018
-->You are now talking on #techrightsOct 12 05:07
---Topic for #techrights is TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovellOct 12 05:07
---Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012Oct 12 05:07
-->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrightsOct 12 05:41
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/Fvq18jy.jpgOct 12 06:24
<--alynpost has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 12 06:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Teal One drone runs Linux on a Jetson TX1 and flies at 60 mph http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116398 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e05a5c9e-568d-4868-afde-1e2e86ceed9d]Oct 12 06:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu 18.10 (Cosmic Cuttlefish) Is Now in Final Freeze, Launches October 18 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116399 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b629f52f-2c92-4c7a-b9cd-faba4cc184e9]Oct 12 06:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116400 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a399b85f-8ffc-4ea7-bd00-397e2a0bf3d7]Oct 12 06:38
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/551916.jpgOct 12 07:12
-->alynpost (~alynpost@prgmr/staff/lobsters.sysadmin.alynpost) has joined #techrightsOct 12 07:21
MinceRhttps://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/9e0d2036-6946-47eb-af54-e839f168c50f-original.jpegOct 12 07:28
<--kaniini has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)Oct 12 08:01
schestowitzMinceR: I don't get the jackson oneOct 12 08:37
schestowitzi know he-manOct 12 08:38
schestowitzand the MJ gender thingOct 12 08:38
schestowitzBut I think there's more to this joke (a reference)Oct 12 08:38
schestowitz[06:24] <MinceR> https://i.imgur.com/Fvq18jy.jpgOct 12 08:39
schestowitzA bit is a dtrawmanOct 12 08:39
schestowitzas oerhaps with rare exception nobody in these 'minority' groups makes such assertions of elitismOct 12 08:40
schestowitztumblr users are also being stigmatised, in the same way gab users are Oct 12 08:40
schestowitzas in tumbler= trans, gab=nazis ...Oct 12 08:40
schestowitz*tumblrOct 12 08:41
<--pidgin_log has quit (Quit: Leaving.)Oct 12 09:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: National Security at Stake, Too http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116401 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d455a124-7e03-4a60-9d62-76c2fb05e7c2]Oct 12 10:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116402 [https://pleroma.site/objects/56486f14-457c-4d1c-a646-376bccbd67e4]Oct 12 10:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 4.14 LTSI Kernel Released For Longer-Term Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116403 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1f467723-2d66-4936-93c7-92889b0eae21]Oct 12 10:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/sjvn/status/1050686000228458496Oct 12 11:11
schestowitzweirdOct 12 11:12
schestowitzdid twitter change how it responds to wget?Oct 12 11:12
-->TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@mail.copilotco.com) has joined #techrightsOct 12 11:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/sjvn/status/1050686000228458496Oct 12 11:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla/Firefox News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116404 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fc2cfff0-e817-423d-bfdb-b0486ca31207]Oct 12 11:28
-->SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) has joined #techrightsOct 12 12:10
XRevan86schestowitz: Actually, I see many people in the fediverse who make statements like thatOct 12 12:12
XRevan86So it didn't seem like a strawman to me.Oct 12 12:14
*XRevan86 is not implying that the person making the accusation is rightOct 12 12:17
MinceRschestowitz: do you also know the noises jackson made during his performances? :>Oct 12 12:32
MinceR12 093939 <+schestowitz> A bit is a dtrawmanOct 12 12:32
MinceRunfortunately, it is notOct 12 12:33
MinceRit is typical crybully/SJW fareOct 12 12:33
XRevan86All the wonders of a tribal polarised society I guessOct 12 12:35
MinceRall the wonders of a planet infested with stupid evil peopleOct 12 12:37
XRevan86Everyone is a product of their environmentOct 12 12:38
XRevan86Apparently in the Western world it is common to see people who politically disagree as rivals.Oct 12 12:39
MinceRunless they destroy the environment they were a product ofOct 12 12:39
XRevan86someone to be foughtOct 12 12:39
XRevan86Meanwhile people who actually have authority can do whatever they want undisturbed by people who police each other.Oct 12 12:43
MinceRmust be niceOct 12 12:43
XRevan86In Russia political people that I've seen all work with the idea that every person is potential electorate, potential allyOct 12 12:45
MinceRthey pretend there's a democracy over there?Oct 12 12:46
XRevan86And not someone who is to blame for the downfall. Even if their share idiot ideas of the majority.Oct 12 12:46
XRevan86MinceR: There are still political movements, even if they're not in the official frameworkOct 12 12:47
XRevan86Maybe it's because in the US there are always two candidates, and it'll be a mistake if either is elected, so people blame each other for voting for either or not voting, helping the winner.Oct 12 12:50
MinceRwhile in russia there's the One Man, One Vote principleOct 12 12:51
MinceRputin is the Man, and he casts the VoteOct 12 12:51
XRevan86I remember some articles that hinted that if only Jill Stein supporters voted Clinton, Trump could've been avoidedOct 12 12:51
XRevan86MinceR: Yeah, that's rightOct 12 12:51
MinceRyeah, but then they would have ended up with hillariousOct 12 12:51
XRevan86MinceR: Indeed, cannot winOct 12 12:52
amarsh04building kernels againOct 12 12:53
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 12 12:55
XRevan86But except for "those white men voted for racist Trump proving their bigotry" we'd have "those liberals voted for Hillary"Oct 12 12:55
MinceRyeahOct 12 12:56
cubexyzinteresting convo given none of us are Americans :)Oct 12 12:56
MinceRand "if the DNC didn't cheat at the primaries, we'd have Sanders"Oct 12 12:56
XRevan86And those will be blamed for every bad move of ClintonOct 12 12:56
XRevan86cubexyz: The US matters too much to leave without an opinion %)Oct 12 12:57
XRevan86Besides, an outside perspective has its benefits (:Oct 12 12:59
MinceRyeah, especially when it comes to places like the usa and russiaOct 12 12:59
MinceRnamely, that one isn't in the usa nor in russiaOct 12 12:59
amarsh04the other week I upgraded this machine from KDE 3.51 to KDE Plasma 5.49, surprisingly painlessOct 12 13:00
MinceRthat's a pretty significant advantage in itselfOct 12 13:00
MinceRpainless except for the fact that you no longer have the best kde version ever made :>Oct 12 13:00
XRevan86MinceR: Arguably, there are worse places to be :POct 12 13:00
MinceRyeahOct 12 13:00
MinceRand human society is working on further developments in that areaOct 12 13:01
amarsh04true, but SSL incompatibilities were starting to biteOct 12 13:01
cubexyzI still have two KDE 3.5.10 boxesOct 12 13:02
amarsh04I still have to run an old telnletd-ssl version for kermit as client (which was never updated to openssl 1.1)Oct 12 13:02
cubexyzthree if you count KDE 3.4.2 :)Oct 12 13:03
XRevan86Anyway, I think the US' system does not produce democratic results and everyone knows it, but people are too caught up in choosing the lesser evil and blaming others for choosing the other evil to realise why's that.Oct 12 13:04
MinceRit's getting worseOct 12 13:05
XRevan86Of course it does.Oct 12 13:07
cubexyzhmm, that's interestingOct 12 13:08
cubexyzI remember some sociologists saying that the peak of civilization was 1910Oct 12 13:08
XRevan86cubexyz: By what metrics?Oct 12 13:08
cubexyzharder working, generally better behaviour, greater self-reliance, better mannersOct 12 13:09
XRevan861910?Oct 12 13:10
-->mmu_man (~revol@AAubervilliers-681-1-127-238.w90-88.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #techrightsOct 12 13:10
XRevan86In the US that's the time when racism was not considered something remotely badOct 12 13:10
XRevan86And most Russians didn't know how to readOct 12 13:11
XRevan86Better manners maybe in some exclusive privileged societyOct 12 13:11
cubexyzit is probably a US/UK-centric conclusionOct 12 13:11
cubexyzpre-World War one if you preferOct 12 13:12
XRevan86Maybe more UK-centric :POct 12 13:12
cubexyzway less car accidents :)Oct 12 13:13
XRevan86That's trueOct 12 13:13
XRevan86I'd still argue that civilisation walked a long way forward from 1910 :)Oct 12 13:14
XRevan86including well-being of the people, education, healthcare, technology, etc.Oct 12 13:14
XRevan86The only thing for the US I can think of is that things were looking up for them back thenOct 12 13:15
-->kaniini (~kaniini@2600:1700:8660:6160:c46f:f8fa:d603:2ce3) has joined #techrightsOct 12 13:18
cubexyzthere was less garbage generated per person in 1910Oct 12 13:18
cubexyzfood was cheaper, a lot cheaperOct 12 13:19
cubexyzI'll have to recheck some statisticsOct 12 13:19
XRevan86cubexyz: Cost of food only matters relative to one's purchase abilityOct 12 13:20
cubexyzwe would have to look at food prices relative to wagesOct 12 13:21
XRevan86cubexyz: Trash – definitely, but not because they had better recycling in 1910Oct 12 13:22
cubexyzmore stuff was fixed and less discarded certainlyOct 12 13:23
XRevan86or not because they cared more for the environmentOct 12 13:23
XRevan86cubexyz: Results of scarcityOct 12 13:24
XRevan86Finally proof that USSR was more civilised %)Oct 12 13:25
MinceRlolOct 12 13:25
cubexyzsome socio-economists would say the 1950s was the bestOct 12 13:28
MinceRhave they asked people in the eastern bloc about that?Oct 12 13:30
cubexyzprobably notOct 12 13:30
MinceR:>Oct 12 13:30
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)Oct 12 13:34
XRevan86https://assets.amuniversal.com/d570175098130136553c005056a9545dOct 12 14:02
MinceR:>Oct 12 14:06
-->mmu_man (~revol@AAubervilliers-681-1-127-238.w90-88.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #techrightsOct 12 15:07
<--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)Oct 12 15:24
<--kaniini has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)Oct 12 15:31
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 12 15:39
-->trnjk (~trn@109.130.28.168) has joined #techrightsOct 12 16:20
<--trnjk has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 12 16:26
schestowitz[12:32] <MinceR> schestowitz: do you also know the noises jackson made during his performances? :>Oct 12 16:39
schestowitzah, true...Oct 12 16:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: BSD: Michael W. Lucas Talks FreeBSD, Tor on OpenBSD, Call for Testing of OpenSSH 7.9 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116405 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ef941e68-bea9-4fed-ad0b-db8753427c5a]Oct 12 17:07
-->gde33 (~gde33@546A1876.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrightsOct 12 17:37
-->Guest31079 (~Red_M@ppp-58-11-114-4.revip2.asianet.co.th) has joined #techrightsOct 12 17:59
<--Guest31079 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 12 18:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 4 Must-Have Tools for Monitoring Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116406 [https://pleroma.site/objects/18796622-cf9a-45e5-8bfe-3e29e019aa49]Oct 12 18:20
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86 Yeah, look at the Illinois governor's race. Two billionaires, most expensive election of its kind in US history, all so that one of them can rule over a broken state for four years.Oct 12 18:24
DaemonFC[m]And break it much worse.Oct 12 18:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNOME 3.32 Desktop Environment Development Kicks Off, First Milestone Is Out Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116407 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5fd2a7a0-de70-4094-875d-6bd3b08b7837]Oct 12 18:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Firefox ESR 60 Is Now Available on Ubuntu as a Snap, Here's How to Install It http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116408 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fe48b5a4-fb7f-4b9d-b3f4-0895d0bd496e]Oct 12 18:30
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A Look At The #vista10 October 2018 Update Performance With #WSL http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116409 #microsoft #EEE [https://pleroma.site/objects/8ac82527-7cb4-4981-b3dc-ed23facce86d]Oct 12 18:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116410 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4015e2a4-27a7-47f4-bcc8-58360e4ebc17]Oct 12 18:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Mir, X.Org Foundation, and AMD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116411 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b2c6bfe0-2c75-4cd6-a178-66c29365b714]Oct 12 18:41
-->aindilis` (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrightsOct 12 18:41
DaemonFC[m]WSL has no actual Linux code.Oct 12 18:41
<--aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)Oct 12 18:42
DaemonFC[m]They don't deny that but they keep calling it Linux anyway.Oct 12 18:42
XRevan86Windows Subsystem for Linux… compatibilityOct 12 18:46
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: La Frite: A Libre ARM SBC For $5, 10x Faster Than The Raspberry Pi Zero http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116412 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6009befc-ae67-4a3a-841d-ae37b2ce203f]Oct 12 18:47
schestowitzGNU/WindowsOct 12 18:49
schestowitzThey just misuse of the brandOct 12 18:49
schestowitzJust like Zemlin does... to enrich himselfOct 12 18:49
MinceRand they won't get sued for it because neither the LDF nor Linus caresOct 12 19:00
MinceRor maybe Linus does, but they're blackmailing himOct 12 19:00
-->Vitoyf (~Vito@187.172.32.136) has joined #techrightsOct 12 19:05
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #MidnightBSD 1.0 Is Ready To Shine With ZFS Support, Ryzen Compatibility http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116413 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fdd81eba-bf9d-450e-a5f6-eb3846fd7200]Oct 12 19:05
<--Vitoyf has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 12 19:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Vintage Story, Steam Client, Helium Rain, Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition, Farm Together, SEUM: Speedrunners from Hell, Sudden Strike 4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116414 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6731755c-fadb-4359-8347-a3d2084c8df4]Oct 12 19:08
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/551870.pngOct 12 19:10
schestowitzMinceR: let's observe onlyOct 12 19:11
schestowitzwould rather not help them inflate fightsOct 12 19:11
schestowitzagainst Linux harmonyOct 12 19:11
schestowitzinflame I meanOct 12 19:11
schestowitzthey try to throw a stinkOct 12 19:11
MinceRLinux is a goner anywayOct 12 19:11
-->s4sha (~s4sha@ppp-58-8-238-148.revip2.asianet.co.th) has joined #techrightsOct 12 19:19
<--s4sha has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 12 19:19
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/551760.jpgOct 12 19:25
<--SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 12 19:35
-->SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) has joined #techrightsOct 12 19:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #GCC 6.5 Status Report http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116415 #gnu #fressw #compiler [https://pleroma.site/objects/8884128e-ffc4-4329-8243-75642f4c7b38]Oct 12 19:38
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/551853.jpgOct 12 19:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Four Web Browsers for the Linux Command Line http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116417 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1aafd8aa-393d-4ccc-a475-ab4f5574318b]Oct 12 20:01
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/551806.jpgOct 12 20:07
DaemonFC[m]Wouldn't an in-kernel dbus system be a performance disaster thanks to Spectre/Meltdown?Oct 12 20:09
DaemonFC[m]I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't keeping userspace/kernel context switches to a minimum the way to go, especially now?Oct 12 20:09
MinceRwell, if it would be dbus then it would be a disaster in any caseOct 12 20:09
MinceRsince dbus is a shitty designOct 12 20:09
MinceRbut gkh is going to push it in anywayOct 12 20:10
DaemonFC[m]The performance drag of the Windows Spectre/Meltdown patches was way worse than the ones for Linux.Oct 12 20:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 10 Reasons to Use Manjaro Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116418 [https://pleroma.site/objects/40a023fd-baff-4412-b79a-5bf89877a742]Oct 12 20:11
DaemonFC[m]Phoronix benchmarks showed that, and I think that Microsoft even created some new problems on Windows with their initial patches, like freezing the computer up and a completely new Critical security problem.Oct 12 20:11
DaemonFC[m]This is why nobody was patching Windows before it was mandatory.Oct 12 20:12
MinceRand probably not all speculative execution vulnerability classes were even discovered yet :>Oct 12 20:12
<--SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 12 20:12
DaemonFC[m]Something breaks every month and then you have to go find out how to fix it.Oct 12 20:12
MinceRalso because nobody who cares about security runs windows in the first placeOct 12 20:12
DaemonFC[m]Probably not.Oct 12 20:12
MinceRat least on public networksOct 12 20:12
DaemonFC[m]For months, many of the kernel updates were Spectre problems in various parts of the tree.Oct 12 20:12
DaemonFC[m]One round of them was particularly bad in the ALSA and sound drivers section.Oct 12 20:12
DaemonFC[m]That coincided with people using fuzzing tools on ALSA+drivers and uncovering lots of new bugs anyway.Oct 12 20:13
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Speaking of security....Oct 12 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Ever since the muggings, I haven't been carrying around any bank cards.Oct 12 20:15
DaemonFC[m]I keep it down to two credit cards only, in case something happens to one of them along the way...Oct 12 20:15
DaemonFC[m]And I lock both of them and unlock them before making a purchase and then lock them again.Oct 12 20:16
DaemonFC[m]That way, they'll be declined if anyone runs off with my wallet.Oct 12 20:16
DaemonFC[m]People doing the muggings aren't terribly clever. They just run off and try to use it at some corner store for liquor or something.Oct 12 20:17
DaemonFC[m]They are starting to make people unlock their cell phones, but you can avoid most of the security problems that go with that by only using your web browser to log into your banking apps, and not remembering the username or passwords.Oct 12 20:17
DaemonFC[m]Get home as fast as possible and remotely wipe your phone.Oct 12 20:18
DaemonFC[m]That's what I did after they got our phones. We've lost 3 phones to muggings so far, in less than 3 years.Oct 12 20:19
MinceRno wonder they call it ChiraqOct 12 20:19
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yeah, it's made me consider just getting some piece of crap that's good enough to play music and use GPS.Oct 12 20:21
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They rob you because they expect that you'll have an iPhone.Oct 12 20:21
DaemonFC[m]When they saw that all I had was a Galaxy S6, they didn't even bother to stick around and take my wallet. They just ran off.Oct 12 20:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Sysget – A Front-end For Popular Package Managers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116419 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6766395e-c81e-4e9c-9e9e-b206a10c0c4d]Oct 12 20:22
DaemonFC[m]Android phones have pretty much no resale value after a year.Oct 12 20:23
MinceRwho the hell even buys a stolen hypePhone and what forOct 12 20:23
MinceRit's cheaply made jewellery/fashion accessoryOct 12 20:24
DaemonFC[m]They sell them to people in third world countries where the carrier lock doesn't matter.Oct 12 20:24
DaemonFC[m]So far, there's no international carrier lock system, so a phone that's blocked from US networks will still work in other countries.Oct 12 20:25
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: People who have been mugged here have seen their iPhone pop up in China or Mexico on Find My iPhone.Oct 12 20:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stretchly – An Open-Source, Customizable Time Reminder App http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116420 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e2a6f8b6-499e-4e38-b83b-3764305058d4]Oct 12 20:26
MinceRhow desperate does one have to be to have a way to show off their belonging to a cult they can't afford to resort to that?Oct 12 20:27
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1810083Oct 12 20:28
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The bad parts of Chicago have a 40 or 50% youth unemployment rate.Oct 12 20:28
DaemonFC[m]So  about half of all the 18-24s living there are some kind of criminal.Oct 12 20:28
DaemonFC[m]The ones that live into their 30s are usually the ones that never got involved with a gang.Oct 12 20:29
DaemonFC[m]The gangs down there are extremely violent. They will recruit kids and shoot them in the head, execution style, if they are in another gang.Oct 12 20:29
DaemonFC[m]It's part of a vicious cycle.Oct 12 20:30
XRevan86MinceR: o_0Oct 12 20:30
DaemonFC[m]Things may calm down some over the next 20 years though.Oct 12 20:30
DaemonFC[m]Illinois expanded abortion, and so ....Oct 12 20:30
DaemonFC[m]Well, 20 years after abortion was made legal throughout the US, there was a major drop in crime. Oct 12 20:30
MinceRthe human species will probably exterminate itself anywayOct 12 20:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Community backed Kaby Lake SBC ships with downloadable Ubuntu image http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116421 [https://pleroma.site/objects/85a2427f-3750-42f5-a3fd-05bf77f6d26d]Oct 12 20:31
MinceRthey're dismissing their last chances to stop making global warming worse fastOct 12 20:31
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I say we should give them all sex robots and then they won't be popping out as many unplanned kids in the first place.Oct 12 20:32
DaemonFC[m]It'll pay for itself.Oct 12 20:32
MinceR:)Oct 12 20:32
MinceRFuturistic Sex RobotzOct 12 20:32
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: That came up in Rick & Morty.Oct 12 20:32
DaemonFC[m]"What happened here, Rick?"Oct 12 20:32
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: There are probably cheaper waysOct 12 20:32
MinceRyupOct 12 20:33
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Like social benefits %)Oct 12 20:33
DaemonFC[m]"I think it's obvious. The men on this planet replaced women with sex robots and then devoted all of their time and energy to waging war over fake pussy.".Oct 12 20:33
DaemonFC[m]Of course, that isn't what happened, but it was a plausible explanation. :)Oct 12 20:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116422 [https://pleroma.site/objects/86b801f9-1260-4b2e-bbfa-ed7ce3225a79]Oct 12 20:36
-->pabsOT (~pabs@187.111.215.147) has joined #techrightsOct 12 20:36
-->RusAlexDE (~RusAlex@187.32.135.118) has joined #techrightsOct 12 20:37
<--RusAlexDE has quit (K-Lined)Oct 12 20:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Chinese Crackers, Microsoft's Botched New Updates, Latest FOSS Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116423 [https://pleroma.site/objects/af355c82-0f12-4095-980a-79e5cf7d6e25]Oct 12 20:39
<--pabsOT has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 12 20:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Pocket, Rust and MDN Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116424 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2719b59f-1dcc-44db-8f3c-4e1c4881250e]Oct 12 20:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Happy birthday, KDE: 11 applications you never knew existed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116425 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3780d0c8-8d76-4eec-be1b-cecb52e5d31a]Oct 12 20:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Kdenlive 18.08.2 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116416 [https://pleroma.site/objects/28779995-4d45-42c5-9cc2-d05dfb244040]Oct 12 20:53
-->EwoutWJ (~Ewout@177.42.230.78) has joined #techrightsOct 12 21:06
<--amarsh04 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Oct 12 21:08
<--EwoutWJ has quit (K-Lined)Oct 12 21:10
-->inukshukRJ (~inukshuk@114.30.187.133) has joined #techrightsOct 12 21:45
<--inukshukRJ has quit (K-Lined)Oct 12 21:46
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/2eYBfD9.jpgOct 12 21:48
<--Firee has quit (Quit: lolmoi)Oct 12 22:24
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116426 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f376168c-117d-464f-ac3f-8ad0c58175d7]Oct 12 22:26
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100741Oct 12 22:40
XRevan86MinceR: I think standing is more questionalOct 12 22:41
MinceRshe's balancingOct 12 22:43
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100727Oct 12 23:02
XRevan86I needn't to see thatOct 12 23:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat News and Views http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116427 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ed942361-ff74-4dfa-ba60-08673b67d7a3]Oct 12 23:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat: Open Source Is A Great Business https://seekingalpha.com/article/4211149-red-hat-open-source-great-business [https://pleroma.site/objects/fc29400b-35e1-44ac-ab7d-0fe9ab235e97]Oct 12 23:12
MinceRhttps://github.com/Xyl2k/TSA-Travel-Sentry-master-keysOct 12 23:14
schestowitz[23:03] <XRevan86> I needn't to see thatOct 12 23:54
schestowitzjust cartoons anywayOct 12 23:54
schestowitzat least he didn't paste a video of a python devouring a puppyOct 12 23:54
XRevan86schestowitz: not the oneOct 12 23:55
XRevan86the dead woman joke oneOct 12 23:55
DaemonFC[m]Carlin said that women couldn't possibly fuck things up worse than they already are. Oct 13 00:00
DaemonFC[m]He forgot to mention the ones that claim that looking at them is rape, but maybe they weren't as much of a problem back then.Oct 13 00:01
DaemonFC[m]Besides, there's lots of examples of women fucking things up worse than they were before. The UK has had some examples of this, including their current Prime Minister.Oct 13 00:01
DaemonFC[m]I'm not saying that they're going to manage things more incompetently than men do, on the whole, but I also wouldn't expect things to get better.Oct 13 00:02
DaemonFC[m]The attitude over in the UK that has led to a governing majority in my lifetime has trended them towards the end of public benefits programs and to homeless spikes and Brexit. Unfortunately, this is the direction the US is drifting.Oct 13 00:03
DaemonFC[m]Isolationism, ignorance, and callousness.Oct 13 00:03
DaemonFC[m]People like me can only watch in horror and hope to slow it down, but it's going that way. Oct 13 00:04
DaemonFC[m]The rich have no use for people once they become unemployable, so they get the government to become unconcerned with whether those people live or not.Oct 13 00:05
DaemonFC[m]They convince the middle class that if taxes went up, those would necessarily have to be middle class taxes, and that the poor will just drag them down with them.Oct 13 00:06
DaemonFC[m]They've done an outstanding job of this.Oct 13 00:06
DaemonFC[m]That's the battle that's been playing out, at least in the debates, over the direction in which Illinois will go.Oct 13 00:06
DaemonFC[m]JB Pritzker is trying to fashion himself as some kind of "benevolent billionaire" who cares if your kids geet fed and educated and Bruce Rauner is this big old meanie that is literally killing people.Oct 13 00:07
DaemonFC[m]Well, we know that's true of Rauner. Maybe Pritzker will do some good. I hope he does. Not counting on it, but what we have now clearly hasn't worked out well.Oct 13 00:08
DaemonFC[m]The federal government has become a threat that perhaps only the states that are interested in doing so can partially protect us from.Oct 13 00:09
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: "[Trump] said that U.S.-Saudi relations are currently "excellent," Oct 13 00:20
DaemonFC[m]despite mounting evidence that the Saudis lured an American  into a trapOct 13 00:20
DaemonFC[m] last week and murdered him."Oct 13 00:20
DaemonFC[m]From a blog post I was reading. Oct 13 00:20
<--aindilis` has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 13 02:04
-->aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrightsOct 13 02:06
cubexyzmost people have a persecutory delusion, but it's real in some casesOct 13 03:56
cubexyzquerulant is the old termOct 13 04:03
cubexyze.g. Bobby Fischer's mother was 'querulant'Oct 13 04:03
DaemonFC[m]https://news.softpedia.com/news/windows-10-version-1809-cumulative-update-kb4464330-causes-bsods-523202.shtmlOct 13 04:18
DaemonFC[m]"Windows 10 cumulative update KB4464330 for version 1809, as well as cumulative update KB4462919 for the April Update (version 1803), are both pushing a number of HP systems into a BSOD loop, with no easy method to go back to a functional desktop."Oct 13 04:18
---Disconnected ().Oct 13 04:25
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 13 04:25:50 2018
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 13 05:35:38 2018
-->You are now talking on #techrightsOct 13 05:35
---Topic for #techrights is TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovellOct 13 05:35
---Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012Oct 13 05:35
r_schestowitz[04:18] <DaemonFC[m]> https://news.softpedia.com/news/windows-10-version-1809-cumulative-update-kb4464330-causes-bsods-523202.shtmlOct 13 05:48
r_schestowitzNo wonder they "love Linux"Oct 13 05:48
r_schestowitzWindows is rubbishOct 13 05:48
cubexyzlook at some of the microsoft forums sometime :)Oct 13 05:52
cubexyztypical post: "why is win10 a pile of garbage?"Oct 13 05:53
cubexyzanyways, I pretty much never liked windowsOct 13 05:54
cubexyzthat's why I was always trying Minix, Linux, AROS, BeOS, etc, etcOct 13 05:55
-->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrightsOct 13 07:17
<--alynpost has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)Oct 13 07:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish , Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo, OpenStack Summit Berlin 2018 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116430 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7f53ce3b-1372-443b-9148-d4da1a0aa6ba]Oct 13 07:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #UbuntuTouch OTA-5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116429 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4a76c821-9d1c-4e83-bc7d-757cb4abb06a]Oct 13 07:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New Wine With Graphics Work/Latest Changes, NVIDIA's GPU Work, and Intel's Work on Mesa http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116431 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5c5875dd-303c-4878-96bc-abfb9716f1f9]Oct 13 07:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Electric-Scooter 'Hacking', Facebook Cracked, National Security Agency (NSA) Looks Into Fuchsia/Android and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116432 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0631d34e-1810-40e4-a16c-b6b9f7d85d55]Oct 13 07:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116433 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eec8b615-7ba2-4994-9846-f23647ac0bce]Oct 13 08:02
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Microsoft is Sabotaging PCs Again, Google Has New Laptops/Tablets, Samsung Chromebook http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116434 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d2edde89-1508-4681-81f4-b33e5e336134]Oct 13 08:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FUD/Openwashing: Lawyers' FUD, Microsoft Openwashing and Facebook Tries to Make Surveillance Seem Ethical http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116437 [https://pleroma.site/objects/68494248-6c0f-4e02-bae8-a5c7985ea7ed]Oct 13 09:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNOME's Nautilus Gets Better Google Drive Support, Warns About Security Risks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116435 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d2f08434-db4c-4ee6-a929-e744639c2987]Oct 13 09:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116436 [https://pleroma.site/objects/15772e3d-3a81-4d27-bbca-616fc625a0bf]Oct 13 09:17
-->SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) has joined #techrightsOct 13 09:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Linux in #LaFrite and #Airtame http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116438 #gnu also... [https://pleroma.site/objects/b110fe22-01e6-44f7-aa22-0a322914a243]Oct 13 10:09
<--SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 13 11:12
-->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@124-169-219-176.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrightsOct 13 11:29
-->kaniini (~kaniini@2600:1700:8660:6160:d92c:541b:b61c:9594) has joined #techrightsOct 13 12:05
r_schestowitzhttp://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36574/Oct 13 12:19
r_schestowitz"Oct 13 12:19
r_schestowitzWhen you add a repository to your system, anyone who has access to that repository can install software on your system. That's how it's supposed to work (the latest versions of Teamviewer work the same way, see https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/Knowledge-Base/How-to-up...). Oct 13 12:19
r_schestowitzIf you don't trust a repository, don't add it or remove it afterwards. It sounds like the only thing Microsoft is doing wrong is not notifying the user it was adding the repository and giving him a chance to decline doing so.Oct 13 12:19
r_schestowitz"Oct 13 12:19
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: lolOct 13 12:23
MinceRbut that's just usual Agent OrangeOct 13 12:23
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gibikha/status/1051067285199380480Oct 13 12:24
r_schestowitzMinceR: the dawn of the Golden OneOct 13 12:25
r_schestowitzMinceR: can you give voice to the bot please?Oct 13 12:25
MinceRsureOct 13 12:26
---MinceR gives voice to r_schestowitz TechrightsBot-tr Firee gde33Oct 13 12:26
---MinceR gives voice to kaniini schestowitz_log aindilis amarsh04Oct 13 12:26
---MinceR gives voice to acer-box____Oct 13 12:26
r_schestowitz(I don't have my password offhand)Oct 13 12:26
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gibikha/status/1051067285199380480Oct 13 12:26
r_schestowitzah, detected as dupe anyway by nowOct 13 12:26
r_schestowitznmOct 13 12:26
<--amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)Oct 13 12:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116439 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9515b002-cd0f-4ce2-9147-0bc48b3ce9a7]Oct 13 12:44
-->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@124-169-219-176.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrightsOct 13 12:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovershttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116440 [https://pleroma.site/objects/30d5fef7-300e-48f3-8f8d-bd82a5d01ee9]Oct 13 12:51
-->SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) has joined #techrightsOct 13 12:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 13/10/2018: Ubuntu Touch OTA-5, MidnightBSD 1.0 Ready http://techrights.org/2018/10/13/midnightbsd-1-0-ready/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/97df2812-60fa-4cd1-89c3-596f299ebee5]Oct 13 12:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Zulip – Most Productive Chat Application for Group or Team Chat http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116441 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c35cd31f-87c0-409b-a1ca-dd46ff950dfd]Oct 13 13:13
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18100726Oct 13 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 13 13:20
MinceRhttps://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_source_code_odditiesOct 13 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Doom source code oddities - The Doom Wiki at DoomWiki.org - Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Strife, and moreOct 13 13:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU/Linux Review: #Xubuntu 18.04 LTS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116442 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4f253a1a-c925-4542-b720-9ab34f3f8d94]Oct 13 13:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Plasma and #KDEneon Team in Catalunya, KF5 Static Builds http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116443 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d6a6f081-9696-4636-ba2e-95eeb7e8d81d]Oct 13 13:39
r_schestowitzMinceR: good findsOct 13 14:09
<--SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 13 14:43
-->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrightsOct 13 14:45
cubexyztrying to find a mouse/trackball with hortizontal & vertical scroll wheelsOct 13 14:57
cubexyzeverything seems to be wireless though Oct 13 14:57
-->SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker) has joined #techrightsOct 13 14:59
-->alynpost (~alynpost@prgmr/staff/lobsters.sysadmin.alynpost) has joined #techrightsOct 13 15:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116444 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c777a10b-a447-4442-9ad7-4db0c12acbd0]Oct 13 17:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Compact, mainline Linux ready “La Frite” SBC starts at $10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116445 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0df25450-85aa-4b5a-90ab-cf07da7218ae]Oct 13 18:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 4.18.14, 4.14.76, 4.9.133, 4.4.161 and 3.18.124 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116446 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d5818ef6-13af-4281-acea-1aa1880a55ae]Oct 13 19:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116447 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fc0dbfe2-2dc4-4ec7-9860-459ca2d17f01]Oct 13 19:02
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LibreOffice Lands More Qt5 Integration Improvements, LXQt Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116448 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dbb0643d-813c-492b-93a5-a6376ff0612a]Oct 13 19:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Release of #DXVK 0.90 and #Vulkan API News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116449 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b95f8349-13d7-443b-bc18-9ad83068ab94]Oct 13 19:12
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/551769.jpgOct 13 19:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: NVIDIA's New Vulkan Driver and Intel's Vulkan Driver Is Working On A NIR Cache http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116450 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d6cb49b7-d473-483c-934b-09a853914c59]Oct 13 19:20
MinceR(nsfw) https://ircz.de/p/18100721Oct 13 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 13 19:37
MinceR(nsfw) https://ircz.de/p/18100713Oct 13 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectOct 13 20:03
DaemonFC[m]Tens of thousands of people marched through downtown Chicago this morning and then voted. Oct 13 20:26
DaemonFC[m]That's a good sign that people are waking up to the problems that being too apathetic to vote have left us with.Oct 13 20:26
DaemonFC[m]Trump invited Kanye West to the White House yesterday, and West had a manic attack in the Oval Office with all of the cameras rolling.Oct 13 20:42
DaemonFC[m]What was supposed to be a discussion about what Trump could do for black people turned into an incoherent 45 minute babbling rant by Kanye West about god only knows what without giving the president time to interject. Along the way, West admitted that he's bipolar and quit Oct 13 20:42
DaemonFC[m]taking his meds last year. It was really quite a spectacle. Oct 13 20:42
DaemonFC[m]https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/the-return-of-eugenics/Oct 13 21:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.spectator.co.uk | The return of eugenics | The SpectatorOct 13 21:11
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't call restricting welfare a "eugenics program". You're not castrating people or shooting them in the back of the head.Oct 13 21:11
DaemonFC[m]You're just cutting off subsidies to people who can't afford to have kids and pay their own way.Oct 13 21:11
DaemonFC[m]Those subsidies come from people who work harder and/or have fewer or zero kids, so it is unfair to them.Oct 13 21:12
DaemonFC[m]Smaller families became normal as infant mortality rates came way down, social programs came into effect to care for the elderly, and productivity gains meant fewer workers were required.Oct 13 21:13
DaemonFC[m]Nobody is calling that eugenics..Oct 13 21:13
DaemonFC[m]The TV show "The Man in the High Castle" depicts a world where the Axis won the Second World War, and in some ways, society in the "Greater American Reich" was better for it. Oct 13 21:14
DaemonFC[m]I mean, it is a work of fiction, but it kind of hints that as the Nazis got rid of all the dead weight and pressed on, they achieved the technology level of the early 80s by 1963.Oct 13 21:15
DaemonFC[m]So, I don't know if they intended this or not, but they kind of support the idea that fascism would bring about some good things.Oct 13 21:15
XRevan86early 1880s probablyOct 13 21:16
DaemonFC[m]I'm not sure how quickly selecting against negative traits by way of eugenics programs would work out, but the show made it a point that anyone who was a "drain on the state" was euthanized.Oct 13 21:17
DaemonFC[m]Without having to run huge disability and healthcare programs, that money probably got invested into scientific research.Oct 13 21:17
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86: From what the show depicts about Nazi tech in the alternative 1963, I'd say they're closer to the level we achieved around 1985 or so.Oct 13 21:18
DaemonFC[m]I've heard some estimates that say that selecting against crippling disease by way of eugenics wouldn't have a meaningful effect for 10,000 years.Oct 13 21:20
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I'm just making not very smart comments, because I disagree with the notion from the show deeply but still don't have anything better to say right now %).Oct 13 21:20
DaemonFC[m]So, those people are saying that there wouldn't just be one mass killing and the occasional mop up job.Oct 13 21:20
DaemonFC[m]That it would just have to go on and on.Oct 13 21:20
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: That makes sense, genetics are pretty complicated.Oct 13 21:20
XRevan86traits will just keep pop upOct 13 21:21
XRevan86And there are other ways of getting one disenfranchised too.Oct 13 21:21
DaemonFC[m]Right, I mean, we're way ahead of where the Germans were then and we still don't even know what causes a lot of these diseases. Oct 13 21:22
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Yet Hitler thought he's so smartOct 13 21:22
DaemonFC[m]You can have two perfectly healthy people and they have kids and they have mental illness or MS or whatever.Oct 13 21:23
DaemonFC[m]And nobody in their family ever had it before.Oct 13 21:23
DaemonFC[m]So I figure it would be like taking a weed whacker to your lawn.Oct 13 21:23
DaemonFC[m]You're never done.Oct 13 21:23
XRevan86Hitler: Mommy, why can't all the good people come together and kill all the people that my biases tell me are bad?Oct 13 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Well, he did say there'd be a thousand year Reich. So they were off by 988 years. :)Oct 13 21:25
<--SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 13 21:25
DaemonFC[m]The entire Nazi leadership ended up committing suicide and leaving the military to surrender when they found out it would be the Soviets that got to them first. :)Oct 13 21:25
DaemonFC[m]I mean, these fuckers even killed their kids. That's cold.Oct 13 21:26
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Because if the Americans were to get to them first, they'd see that as a business opportunity or something? %)Oct 13 21:27
DaemonFC[m]I don't know how accurate the movie Downfall was, but it was pretty good. I watched it because of all of those Hitler memes that were made from it.Oct 13 21:27
XRevan86like Dr. Strangelove :)Oct 13 21:27
DaemonFC[m]No, because we would probably have accepted their surrender and put them on trial.Oct 13 21:27
DaemonFC[m]The Soviets probably would have gone to work on them, shot them, and paraded the bodies through the streets.Oct 13 21:28
XRevan86nah, probably would've made them build real estate as slavesOct 13 21:28
DaemonFC[m]Most of the Nazis tried after the war were hanged or given very long prison sentences. Oct 13 21:29
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/551707.jpgOct 13 21:29
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_Soviet_Union like thisOct 13 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | German prisoners of war in the Soviet Union - WikipediaOct 13 21:29
---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man alynpost amarsh04Oct 13 21:29
DaemonFC[m]Well, the US did pardon some of the SS and gave them citizenship, in exchange for working at NASA or telling our military how to build better weapon.Oct 13 21:30
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Asian men look 20 until they're 60 and then they look 100.Oct 13 21:30
DaemonFC[m]I don't know what it is about their culture, but things like the anti-smoking campaigns just never happened there.Oct 13 21:31
DaemonFC[m]Death by overwork is so common they have a word for it.Oct 13 21:31
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/p07Qpfc.jpgOct 13 21:34
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Such a generalisation %)Oct 13 21:34
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I suspect you're talking about the Japanese specificallyOct 13 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Weell, the South Koreans too.Oct 13 21:36
XRevan86<Borat-mode> DaemonFC[m]: Visit Kazakhstan </Borat-mode>Oct 13 21:36
DaemonFC[m]The South Korean government is trying to pass laws to limit how long the workweeks are because of the health problems it's causing.Oct 13 21:37
XRevan86New Year is celebrated for four consequtive days thereOct 13 21:38
XRevan86unlike Russia where it's week-long %)Oct 13 21:39
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/551824.pngOct 13 21:39
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Then it's Korea-China-Japan-centric :)Oct 13 21:44
MinceRhow offensive.Oct 13 21:45
XRevan86MinceR: a lack of work regulation in south korea?Oct 13 21:46
XRevan86* labour regulationOct 13 21:46
MinceRbeing CJK-centricOct 13 21:46
XRevan86Only now I realised what "CJK" means…Oct 13 21:47
MinceR:)Oct 13 21:47
MinceRare people drunk unconscious for a week at new year in russia? :>Oct 13 21:48
XRevan86MinceR: Those that are into that sort of thingOct 13 21:49
*XRevan86 remembered walking on deserted streets at noon this year's (:Oct 13 21:50
XRevan86MinceR: not necessarily drunk, but unconscious definitely %)Oct 13 21:51
MinceR:)Oct 13 21:57
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/hLEyOA6.jpgOct 13 21:58
DaemonFC[m]The life expectancy in the US has actually gone down for two years in a row.Oct 13 22:13
DaemonFC[m]I wonder if the "We need to cut Social Security because people are living longer." thing will go away now. I'm guessing not.Oct 13 22:14
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/551604.jpgOct 13 22:14
MinceRhttps://files.catbox.moe/mwfo6u.webmOct 13 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Opus 1.3-rc2 introduced new switches, --speech and --music.Oct 13 22:31
DaemonFC[m]The docs say it's to override the autodetect and force it to use one mode or the other at low bitrates when it has to make a choice between SILK or CELT in hybrid mode.Oct 13 22:32
DaemonFC[m]Seems to make no difference at the bitrates I'm using. Oct 13 22:32
DaemonFC[m]Opus seems to be working out amazingly well for music. Oct 13 22:34
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/551808.jpgOct 13 22:37
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Trump says he's sending five more federal prosecutors to help fight crime in Chicago. Oct 13 22:37
DaemonFC[m]It won't make any difference. The left has more or less castrated the police here and the criminals have gained complete control of large chunks of the city.Oct 13 22:38
MinceRdo they get a Lawmaster, Lawgiver and armor?Oct 13 22:39
DaemonFC[m]The new "police reforms" require police to fill out a mountain of paperwork every time they take their gun out of its holster. Oct 13 22:39
DaemonFC[m]So I figure the cops will finish pulling out of those parts of the city entirely.Oct 13 22:39
DaemonFC[m]Black on black crime, nobody cares.Oct 13 22:41
DaemonFC[m]They kill 700 or 800 of each other every year, it gets reported in bulk.Oct 13 22:41
DaemonFC[m]The news waits until there's at least 20 and then runs a story that lists all of them at once.Oct 13 22:42
DaemonFC[m]A cop kills one criminal and goes to prison forever.Oct 13 22:42
DaemonFC[m]So, with that message having been sent loud and clear, the crime in Chicago is going to get worse.Oct 13 22:42
DaemonFC[m]They know that they can taunt the police, through bottles of piss at the police, brandish weapons at the police, and if the police shoot them, it's all over for that cop.Oct 13 22:43
DaemonFC[m]It's only black and latino murders that the papers batch together.Oct 13 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Whites and Asians get their own stories.Oct 13 22:50
DaemonFC[m]In some ways, structural racism in the US is a fact.Oct 13 22:52
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: yet you bring up gun control in the USA and its like hell no.Oct 13 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Some researchers filled out job applications and sent them to employers in major cities. They picked names that sounded like they were probably a white person and names that sounded like they were a black person, put down similar qualifications, and found that black people had about 50% less chance of being called in for a job interview.Oct 13 22:53
DaemonFC[m]In fact, a white person with a felony has the same chance at getting a job as a black person with no criminal record.Oct 13 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, well, Illinois will push through some gun control laws when Pritzker becomes governor, but they will have limited effect because of the surrounding states.Oct 13 22:54
oiaohmall that does is create black market.Oct 13 22:54
DaemonFC[m]Then when crime continues mostly unabated, due to states like Indiana and Wisconsin, the conservatives will point and say that the gun laws don't work.Oct 13 22:54
oiaohmYou need gun control over a large area.Oct 13 22:54
DaemonFC[m]The land area of Illinois is larger than many countries.Oct 13 22:55
oiaohmVs AustraliaOct 13 22:55
DaemonFC[m]But there's no border controls because it's a US state.Oct 13 22:55
DaemonFC[m]Very easy to smuggle from another state.Oct 13 22:55
oiaohmExactly there are no border control.Oct 13 22:55
oiaohmIn Australia with out state sizes it still pointless doing per state gun control.Oct 13 22:56
oiaohmYes per state gun control was tried here as well before we went fedoral.Oct 13 22:56
DaemonFC[m]By the time authorities in Illinois find an illegal gun from Indiana, it was already used to kill five people and was dumped at the crime scene after being wiped down.Oct 13 22:56
DaemonFC[m]It's better to toss the gun if there's nothing linking it back to you.Oct 13 22:57
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the police may find it, but if there's no fingerprints and no paper trail, it's better than being caught with a gun that was used in murders later on.Oct 13 22:58
DaemonFC[m]The penalty for being caught with a gun you aren't licensed to have is usually no more than a year in prison, and these hardened criminals can do that standing on their head.Oct 13 22:59
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States#Major_federal_gun_laws  this is what we find stupid.Oct 13 22:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Gun law in the United States - WikipediaOct 13 22:59
oiaohmJust extend the National Firearms Act ("NFA") (1934) to cover all weapons sold would go along way to slowing down gun crime in the USA.Oct 13 23:00
DaemonFC[m]It's a patchwork and stronger laws at the federal level are not going to happen right now for obvious reasons.Oct 13 23:00
DaemonFC[m]The Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 expired ten years later, and then they went immediately back to large capacity magazines and other features that make the rifles capable of killing more people.Oct 13 23:01
oiaohmYes it illegal for hand guns to cross state boarders Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 << That one.Oct 13 23:01
DaemonFC[m]Not necessarily.Oct 13 23:02
DaemonFC[m]A state can choose to recognize out of state permits.Oct 13 23:02
DaemonFC[m]Illinois only recognizes its own.Oct 13 23:02
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: read that law.Oct 13 23:02
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans want to pass a federal law requiring states to accept all out of state permits, but it doesn't have the votes to pass right now.Oct 13 23:03
oiaohmUSA fed.   Hand guns are not meant to cross state boarders at all.Oct 13 23:03
DaemonFC[m]The Act you cited made it illegal to sell across state lines without going to a FFL dealer. Oct 13 23:03
DaemonFC[m]You can still buy out of state, but you have to have it shipped to a licensed dealer in your home state, which charges a fee.Oct 13 23:04
oiaohmExactly.Oct 13 23:04
oiaohmSo no one should be carrying a gun across a boarder other than if it going to a dealer where there should be paperwork.Oct 13 23:04
DaemonFC[m]Illinois does not reciprocate on out of state permits.Oct 13 23:04
DaemonFC[m]So if you are an Indiana resident with an Indiana permit and you take your gun with you to Illinois, you can be arrested, charged, convicted, and sent to prison.Oct 13 23:05
DaemonFC[m]But if you're an Illinois resident with an Illinois permit, you can go to Indiana with it and there's no problem.Oct 13 23:05
oiaohmIndiana has it right.Oct 13 23:05
DaemonFC[m]Indiana recognizes most, but not all, out of state permits.Oct 13 23:05
oiaohmOpps Oct 13 23:05
oiaohmOpps Illinois has it right.Oct 13 23:06
oiaohmBecause how did you get your gun out of Illinois and into Indiana without breaching the 1968 law.Oct 13 23:06
DaemonFC[m]There's a few states where Indiana recognizes the permit for that state, but none of the surrounding states, so you could end up in a situation where to get to Indiana you have to take your gun and permit through a state that doesn't recognize the permit.Oct 13 23:06
DaemonFC[m]And you could be arrested there if they pull you over and find the gun.Oct 13 23:06
DaemonFC[m]*but none of the surrounding states recognize your stateOct 13 23:07
DaemonFC[m]Is what I meant to say.Oct 13 23:07
DaemonFC[m]It's a mess.Oct 13 23:07
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: hand gun to cross state is meant to go to that state dealer.Oct 13 23:07
DaemonFC[m]It's a horrible mess. Oct 13 23:07
oiaohmThat is the law.Oct 13 23:07
oiaohmNot enforced law.Oct 13 23:07
oiaohmThere should not be a single gun in the USA without a paper trail.Oct 13 23:08
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and every outgoing Republican president pardons a ton of federal firearms felons before leaving office.Oct 13 23:08
DaemonFC[m]There aren't many without a paper trail, but the feds have to prove that the original dealer should have known that there was a problem with his customer.Oct 13 23:09
oiaohmProtection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (2005): Prevent firearms manufacturers and licensed dealers from being held liable for negligence when crimes have been committed with their products << That law is the nightmare its blanket.Oct 13 23:09
DaemonFC[m]So it's hard to prove that the dealer knew the customer was a straw purchaser.Oct 13 23:09
oiaohmFirearm manufacturers and dealers with proper records of sale should get that protection.Oct 13 23:09
DaemonFC[m]Dealers keep records, but then they can't know where the gun ultimately ends up.Oct 13 23:10
oiaohmFirearm manufacturers and dealers without proper records of sale should be able to be held liable for negligenceOct 13 23:10
DaemonFC[m]Even if they know it will be used in crimes, good luck proving it.Oct 13 23:10
DaemonFC[m]You don't have to keep records unless you sell more than a certain number of guns per year.Oct 13 23:11
DaemonFC[m]After that number, forget what it is exactly, you are a "dealer".Oct 13 23:11
DaemonFC[m]That's federal law. State may be different.Oct 13 23:12
oiaohmEven before gun control here you sell one gun and you had to keep the record for 50 years.Oct 13 23:12
DaemonFC[m]In Indiana, you can sell a few every year and go "Shucks, I don't know where they ended up.".Oct 13 23:12
DaemonFC[m](Chicago)Oct 13 23:12
oiaohmexact problem.  How do you find the person who keeps on losing firearms so having to buy more when they are in fact illegal dealers.Oct 13 23:13
oiaohmIf you allow places selling a low number of guns not to keep records.Oct 13 23:13
oiaohmPlease note I said gun control not outlaw guns completely.    You have no control police have no records to back trace with.Oct 13 23:14
DaemonFC[m]In Illinois, you have to report a gun stolen within 48 hours if it goes missing.Oct 13 23:18
DaemonFC[m]Indiana doesn't have a mandatory reporting law for stolen guns.Oct 13 23:19
DaemonFC[m]You could buy a bunch, not report any of them missing, and then if some get linked back to you say "Yeah, someone broke into my house and stole a bunch of guns.Oct 13 23:19
DaemonFC[m]Since there's no timeline of the "theft", you could just say it was a single incident.Oct 13 23:20
DaemonFC[m]"Just happened a few days ago."Oct 13 23:20
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: I guess that si 48 hours of you knowing the gun missing.Oct 13 23:21
DaemonFC[m]I think that's how it's worded.Oct 13 23:21
oiaohmTracking is a important thing.Oct 13 23:22
oiaohmAustralian police do track where guns come from.   http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-26/source-of-illicit-guns-in-australia/6483762Oct 13 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abc.net.au | Fact check: Where do Australians get illegal guns? - Fact Check - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)Oct 13 23:22
DaemonFC[m]The NRA isn't getting what  it wants from the state here, so it keeps suing in federal court.Oct 13 23:22
oiaohm50 percent of gun crime now it still using weapons that were not registered when the new gun laws come in.Oct 13 23:22
DaemonFC[m]They've overturned a few laws that way.Oct 13 23:22
oiaohmStolen is quite a low number.Oct 13 23:23
oiaohmThe numbers are fairly clear criminals want guns without paper trails.Oct 13 23:25
oiaohmSo registered weapons are less likely to be stolen compared to unregistered weapons as well.Oct 13 23:25
oiaohmNRA could be for proper weapon tracking so that their members safety.Oct 13 23:26

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!