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| cubexyz | ok, no more SATA DVD as the boot drive | Sep 09 00:35 |
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| cubexyz | have to reload a new vector linux to replaced the old one :-/ | Sep 09 00:35 |
| cubexyz | BIOS immediately saw the ATAPI cdrom... | Sep 09 00:36 |
| cubexyz | a bit of a pity about alpine linux... I was making good progress with it but no glibc was a big problem | Sep 09 00:36 |
| cubexyz | not sure what do to about the loss of the ISA slot | Sep 09 00:37 |
| cubexyz | a newer SCSI controller could work | Sep 09 00:38 |
| cubexyz | but the good news is I get the KDE 3.5.10 stuff back | Sep 09 00:38 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that is why I have pata to scsi converter laying around. So I can use Sata DVD instead of pata dvd | Sep 09 00:42 |
| cubexyz | well, the old P3 motherboard wasn't going to last forever so I need some upgrade plan | Sep 09 00:43 |
| cubexyz | and what in the world will happen with the old loki games on 64-bit linux I have no idea | Sep 09 00:46 |
| oiaohm | They have been run on 64 bit linux with the right runtime bits. | Sep 09 00:46 |
| cubexyz | this case had some unique features... clip-on bezels for the cdrom | Sep 09 00:54 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure if the repos are still going to work for old vector linux | Sep 09 00:55 |
| cubexyz | guess we'll know soon | Sep 09 00:55 |
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| cubexyz | wow, kernel panic again | Sep 09 01:05 |
| cubexyz | no more vector linux it seems | Sep 09 01:05 |
| cubexyz | something odd about the partition, hmmm | Sep 09 01:24 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I don't think it will boot the SATA hard drive either :-/ | Sep 09 01:43 |
| cubexyz | not fun | Sep 09 01:43 |
| cubexyz | repo works, but must boot from cd drive | Sep 09 01:56 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that does not supprise me. As I said on old hardware I use pata to sata converters. This also allows me to use sata harddrives on pata. | Sep 09 01:58 |
| oiaohm | pci cards just don't see as solution that works for anything other than extra drives most of the time. | Sep 09 01:59 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/544908.jpg | Sep 09 02:27 |
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| MinceR | https://what-if.xkcd.com/157/ | Sep 09 15:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-what-if.xkcd.com | Earth-Moon Fire Pole | Sep 09 15:18 | |
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| MinceR | http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=1656 | Sep 09 16:12 |
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| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/aa5haj.jpg | Sep 09 16:14 |
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| XRevan86 | I wonder how Amish define which technology they approve and which not, | Sep 09 17:06 |
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| MinceR | it's rather boneheaded | Sep 09 17:22 |
| MinceR | just like cultists in general | Sep 09 17:22 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/2e8SMvo.gifv | Sep 09 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Sep 09 19:35 | |
| MinceR | http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=1659 | Sep 09 19:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I love how the articles mentioning that Microsoft will sell you End of Life security updates for Windows 7 act like this is the only alternative to having Windows 10 foisted on you. They don't mention the GNU/Linux system at all. Many distributions, like Ubuntu, are so easy to install these days that you can almost literally boot the live image and hit "Next, Next, Next" a bunch of times and never have to deal with | Sep 09 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows again. | Sep 09 20:34 |
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| MinceR | ubuntu is also about as broken as windows | Sep 09 20:35 |
| MinceR | so they'll feel right at home! | Sep 09 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not that bad. | Sep 09 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to use Windows 10 for a little while and could barely stand it. | Sep 09 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't seen that many blue screens of death in a very long time. Windows 10 is VERY unstable. | Sep 09 20:37 |
| MinceR | i also had to try to do work on ubuntu xenial | Sep 09 20:37 |
| MinceR | apt killed itself on distro upgrade | Sep 09 20:38 |
| MinceR | on the new install, it forgot to start the display manager | Sep 09 20:38 |
| MinceR | it also kept freezing | Sep 09 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's an aside to all of the times where it decides to reboot despite you being in the middle of something, applying updates, the updates fail, it reboots, decides to apply the updates again, the updates break..... | Sep 09 20:38 |
| MinceR | i gave up and use startx | Sep 09 20:38 |
| MinceR | but it still likes to freeze on shutdown | Sep 09 20:38 |
| MinceR | because, you know, systemd | Sep 09 20:38 |
| MinceR | now i just export the files to the ubuntu vm via nfs and do most of my work on funtoo | Sep 09 20:39 |
| MinceR | just a whole other world | Sep 09 20:39 |
| MinceR | lendows vs unix | Sep 09 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora is pretty stable on my computer. | Sep 09 20:41 |
| MinceR | it wasn't on mine | Sep 09 20:42 |
| MinceR | it was the only system i ever saw xscreensaver crash on | Sep 09 20:42 |
| MinceR | and when it did, some gnome3 shit i never asked for came up | Sep 09 20:42 |
| MinceR | it was full of weird shit like that | Sep 09 20:42 |
| MinceR | and then one day yum committed suicide | Sep 09 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Screen savers are not really very useful for many people today. | Sep 09 20:43 |
| MinceR | it's also a screen locker | Sep 09 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Keeping the monitor on uses quite a bit of power and especially when you're on a laptop, that's bad. | Sep 09 20:43 |
| MinceR | and it can indeed turn the monitor off | Sep 09 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GNOME has a screen locker. | Sep 09 20:43 |
| MinceR | in fact, that's how i turn it off on my laptop | Sep 09 20:43 |
| MinceR | i don't use gnome | Sep 09 20:43 |
| MinceR | besides, gnome's screen saver/locker is a shitty xscreensaver clone | Sep 09 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't really need xscreensaver, and xscreensaver doesn't really have a secure way of locking the screen as it depends on X. | Sep 09 20:44 |
| MinceR | yeah, it just needs xscreensaver's display hacks :> | Sep 09 20:44 |
| MinceR | uh, the only way to securely lock the screen in X depends on X | Sep 09 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's been shown repeatedly that there are no guarantees when you try to lock the screen with X because there is no way of telling X that the screen locker is special and that nothing should be able to draw on top of it. | Sep 09 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's also easy to crash the screen locker and get into someone's desktop when it's running on X. | Sep 09 20:45 |
| MinceR | well, come up with a viable replacement for X, then | Sep 09 20:45 |
| MinceR | there's also vlock but you wouldn't like it, as it isn't "modern" :> | Sep 09 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Fedora 29, there's been some more work on XWayland. | Sep 09 20:46 |
| MinceR | yay | Sep 09 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the performance issues should be pretty much over by then. | Sep 09 20:46 |
| MinceR | too bad wayland is the wrong concept | Sep 09 20:46 |
| MinceR | they don't feel like doing SSD, pointer grabbing or screenshots | Sep 09 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The good news is that the Fedora 29 beta should be out this month. | Sep 09 20:46 |
| MinceR | i wonder what else they didn't feel like doing | Sep 09 20:46 |
| MinceR | why is that good news? | Sep 09 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Barring any issues with it, I may just go ahead and upgrade early. | Sep 09 20:46 |
| MinceR | it will be garbage just like everything else from ratcrap | Sep 09 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because of the new X.org release with the improvements to XWayland performance. | Sep 09 20:47 |
| MinceR | oh right, they also didn't feel like letting you run their shit without cancerd | Sep 09 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Finally, games won't drag ass if you don't log into GNOME on X11. | Sep 09 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some apps will depend on X indefinitely, so I doubt that we'll be seeing the end of XWayland anytime soon. | Sep 09 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It'll probably be there for compatibility for a decade or more from now. | Sep 09 20:48 |
| MinceR | i doubt it will implement features that need wayland and which the wayland developers declared to be heretical | Sep 09 20:49 |
| MinceR | but the saddest thing about this is that X is also maintained by these people | Sep 09 20:49 |
| MinceR | who don't understand X | Sep 09 20:49 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, I did get it working | Sep 10 01:53 |
| cubexyz | the method: | Sep 10 01:53 |
| cubexyz | boot to IDE CDROM from vector linux cd, then specify to boot to /dev/sda1 | Sep 10 01:54 |
| cubexyz | I guess booting from the CD loads the necessary module | Sep 10 01:55 |
| cubexyz | maybe I could have booted to IDE CDROM then booted to the DVD drive | Sep 10 01:58 |
| cubexyz | didn't think of that at the time | Sep 10 01:58 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: lot less painful if you just make sata drive be pata drive. | Sep 10 01:58 |
| oiaohm | do consider investing in one of those cards. | Sep 10 01:59 |
| cubexyz | and even worse, my gigabyte coreboot motherboard died | Sep 10 02:04 |
| cubexyz | all that work... I suppose could try to find another motherboard the same | Sep 10 02:04 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I assume the adapter would have to have the molex power connector | Sep 10 02:25 |
| cubexyz | probably worth having one at least | Sep 10 02:25 |
| cubexyz | the key repeat is also too fast on the P4 | Sep 10 02:34 |
| amarsh04 | my oldest pc is now pentium-d based | Sep 10 05:20 |
| amarsh04 | reports: DMI: /8I945P Pro, BIOS F10 04/06/2006 | Sep 10 05:20 |
| amarsh04 | and the newer pc is still from 2009 | Sep 10 05:21 |
| amarsh04 | kernel 4.19.0-rc3 seems nice | Sep 10 05:23 |
| amarsh04 | had some machine shutdowns building the kernel on the older pc during some earlier 4.18.0 - 4.19.0-rcX stages | Sep 10 05:25 |
| cubexyz | the Intel D845GERG2 Celeron is from 2002 | Sep 10 05:43 |
| cubexyz | it's only a year newer than the P3 :) | Sep 10 05:44 |
| cubexyz | the Dell GX110 is 2001 | Sep 10 05:44 |
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| schestowitz | And I guess today is about the last day for | Sep 10 06:40 |
| schestowitz | regular citizens in the EU to try to contact their representatives: | Sep 10 06:40 |
| schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2018/09/please-write-yes-again-sorry-to-your.html | Sep 10 06:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opendotdotdot.blogspot.com | open...: Please Write (Yes, Again - Sorry) to Your MEPs to Stop the EU Copyright Directive from Seriously Harming the Internet | Sep 10 06:40 | |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: Not exactly molex it a floppy power connector. | Sep 10 08:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://au.element14.com/mcm/trk-c020036/bidirectional-ide-to-sata-converter/dp/2818839 << I use the bi directional. Pata to sata converters. So I can use them to convert ide drive to sata controller or 2 sata drives to a single ide controller port. | Sep 10 08:19 |
| oiaohm | There are such things a single drive converters as well. To turn a sata drive into a pata one. | Sep 10 08:21 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, I believe those are called berg connectors | Sep 10 08:32 |
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| MinceR | http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=1673 | Sep 10 20:11 |
| MinceR | http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=1674 | Sep 10 20:22 |
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| cubexyz | yeah slackware 14.2 has a few issues I don't like | Sep 10 21:23 |
| cubexyz | that's why I'm maintaining all these different eras of Linux, BSD and old Unix | Sep 10 21:24 |
| MinceR | current works better for me | Sep 10 21:24 |
| cubexyz | no single distro does everything I want, so.... | Sep 10 21:24 |
| MinceR | ...so you use bedrock? :> | Sep 10 21:24 |
| cubexyz | actually no | Sep 10 21:25 |
| cubexyz | but the concept looks interesting | Sep 10 21:26 |
| cubexyz | I thought alpine linux was interesting and everything I wrote compiled with musl but many many other things did not | Sep 10 21:27 |
| cubexyz | I keep track of all the different versions, what compiled on which distro without problems, very useful | Sep 10 21:29 |
| MinceR | http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=1682 | Sep 10 21:56 |
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| MinceR | http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=1700 | Sep 10 23:26 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: You keep giving links to that website | Sep 10 23:27 |
| XRevan86 | and I'm too lazy to enable VPN just for it | Sep 10 23:27 |
| XRevan86 | https://s8.postimg.cc/l55lbl4pf/image.png that's pretty spartan, BTW | Sep 10 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | Not a glimpse of HTML. | Sep 10 23:30 |
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| MinceR | lol | Sep 10 23:34 |
| MinceR | i wonder how did Aaron offend putler or his bootlickers | Sep 10 23:35 |
| MinceR | maybe one of the commenters did | Sep 10 23:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It is he who blocks, not the other way around | Sep 10 23:35 |
| MinceR | well, i can sort of understand that | Sep 10 23:36 |
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| XRevan86 | I suppose. Geoblocking still sucks. | Sep 10 23:37 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/YzegE58.jpg | Sep 10 23:50 |
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| MinceR | https://flickergate.com/ | Sep 11 07:53 |
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| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="https://hackaday.com/2018/09/10/doing-one-thing-well-the-unix-philosophy/" rel="nofollow">Doing One Thing, Well: The UNIX Philosophy</a></h5> | Sep 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote> | Sep 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | <p>Good design is crucial for success. Whether that’s good design of a piece of software, infrastructure like a railroad or power grid, or even something relatively simple like a flag, without good design your project is essentially doomed. Although you might be able to build a workable one-off electronics project that’s a rat’s nest of wires, or a prototype of something that gets the job done but isn’t user-friendly or scalable, | Sep 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | for a large-scale project a set of good design principles from the start is key. | Sep 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | </p> <p> | Sep 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | As for Unix, its creators set up a design philosophy based around simplicity from the very beginning. The software was built around a few guiding principles that were easy to understand and implement. First, specific pieces of software should be built to do one thing and do that one thing well. Second, the programs should be able to work together effortlessly, meaning inputs and outputs are usually text. With those two simple ideas, | Sep 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | computing became less complicated and more accessible, leading to a boom in computer science and general purpose computing in the 1970s and 80s. </p> | Sep 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | </blockquote> | Sep 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | </li> | Sep 11 13:30 |
| schestowitz | systemd... | Sep 11 13:31 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: Unix philosophy is not that cut and dried if it was there would be complexity of shell. | Sep 11 14:15 |
| MinceR | watch oiaohm try to fit that massive hairball into the unix philosophy | Sep 11 14:16 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy << there is more than 1 unix philosophy. | Sep 11 14:20 |
| schestowitz | xenix | Sep 11 14:21 |
| MinceR | equivocation for the glory of red hat and microsoft | Sep 11 14:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: "Worse is better" is a very interesting one. As it explains Unix monolithic kernel that does not fit into the "one thing well" mantra. | Sep 11 14:23 |
| MinceR | you can check out the attempts at a multiserver microkernel system | Sep 11 14:24 |
| MinceR | and how they all failed | Sep 11 14:24 |
| MinceR | then again, plan9 has a pretty small monolithic kernel | Sep 11 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Do one thing well mantra suite microkernel. | Sep 11 14:25 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 11 14:25 |
| MinceR | but they don't work well | Sep 11 14:25 |
| MinceR | and the hurd project is imploding | Sep 11 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Worse is better is the only one of the Unix philosophy's that in fact manages to cover everything about Unix. | Sep 11 14:25 |
| MinceR | it's tongue in cheek, though | Sep 11 14:26 |
| oiaohm | The shell on unix was very quickly doing more and more as well. Like ls, cd... these can all be independant programs very quickly they came one program. | Sep 11 14:27 |
| XRevan86 | I heard Genode works pretty okay | Sep 11 14:27 |
| MinceR | depends on which shell | Sep 11 14:27 |
| MinceR | there are several shells available | Sep 11 14:27 |
| XRevan86 | And this bugger is based on a microkernel. | Sep 11 14:27 |
| MinceR | shells aren't special, unlike in that broken monstrosity known as VMS | Sep 11 14:28 |
| MinceR | and unlike init systems | Sep 11 14:28 |
| XRevan86 | > Fuchsia is based on a new microkernel called "Zircon". | Sep 11 14:29 |
| XRevan86 | Symbian was based on a microkernel. | Sep 11 14:29 |
| MinceR | symbian's dead | Sep 11 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Worse is better is that what ever path you take it should be about reducing complexity of development so in theory improving over all reliability. | Sep 11 14:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Probably not because of the microkernel | Sep 11 14:29 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 11 14:29 |
| MinceR | it died because of their lunatic stance on code signing | Sep 11 14:30 |
| oiaohm | systemd could be seen as an attempt of worse is better to make something without the development complexity that sysvinit and upstart was being. | Sep 11 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Not everything attempting in the worse is better model is successufl. | Sep 11 14:32 |
| MinceR | it could be, by a total headcase | Sep 11 14:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not like under close inspection the idea of using sysvinit on a Linux kernel was exactly sane either. You take a init system design for sysv that does not recycle PID numbers and sysv has soild tracking of what started what then you put it on Linux that 1 recycles PID and 2 does not have soild tracking of what started what. | Sep 11 14:35 |
| oiaohm | At some point a init system that suited Linux kernel model had to be made. | Sep 11 14:36 |
| MinceR | ah yes, we needed an "init system" with a uefi bootloader built in | Sep 11 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Really naming init program systemd the same as the collection of applications systemd I agree is stupid. Its like as if Gnu Core Utils was named cat | Sep 11 14:40 |
| XRevan86 | And if it all were stored in one cat.git | Sep 11 14:40 |
| MinceR | and people insisted it's a file printing/concatenating utility | Sep 11 14:41 |
| MinceR | and you couldn't use any other gnu core util without having cat installed | Sep 11 14:41 |
| MinceR | and you couldn't use any other cat implementation while it was installed | Sep 11 14:41 |
| MinceR | and people broke other projects to lock their users into it | Sep 11 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Most of the programs in systemd application collection will work as individual applications. | Sep 11 14:42 |
| XRevan86 | > and people broke other projects to lock their users into it | Sep 11 14:42 |
| oiaohm | and embedded developers do replace them with their own versions. | Sep 11 14:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That actually does happen %) | Sep 11 14:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Lots of projects depend on GNU coreutils specifically. | Sep 11 14:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, you have many "individual applications" for the purpose of complaining that they can do nothing because you're not running systemd | Sep 11 14:43 |
| oiaohm | gnu cat has a lot of extra command line options that posix standard does not require cat to have. | Sep 11 14:43 |
| MinceR | i always wanted such applications | Sep 11 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Same with most of the programs in core utils. | Sep 11 14:43 |
| MinceR | gnu cat will work even if installed on a different path | Sep 11 14:43 |
| MinceR | and it won't mind what PID it runs as | Sep 11 14:43 |
| MinceR | or what user it runs as | Sep 11 14:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.html supprise systemd does not have to run as PID1. As long as what is starting as PID1 starts the systemd binary with --system it will start up the system. | Sep 11 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Systemd was designed very much like SMF including allowing more compacted init before it. | Sep 11 14:47 |
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| MinceR | there was an explicit check for the pid somewhere | Sep 11 14:48 |
| MinceR | but who cares, it's not like anything can convince oiaohm of anything | Sep 11 14:48 |
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| MinceR | he's either paid to shill systemd, bound by cognitive dissonance, or both | Sep 11 14:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: --system turns off that check | Sep 11 14:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it been there since the first version of systemd it been used in the systemd QA system the complete time. | Sep 11 14:49 |
| MinceR | ah yes, the famous "QA" system that can't even catch the whole shebang being unable to boot | Sep 11 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes to be execpted thinking the early QA was not booting real system. | Sep 11 14:50 |
| MinceR | presumably it tested more important things to an "init system" like the built-in ntp client | Sep 11 14:53 |
| MinceR | if only you guys put all this effort into redesigning and reimplementing cancerd, maybe it would be useful for something | Sep 11 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Running custom made service files testing out where they thought here would be problems. Of course does not match up to what happens when you give it real world service files. | Sep 11 14:54 |
| oiaohm | So it was attempting to test the system. method was very questionable. | Sep 11 14:54 |
| MinceR | hell, gnu cat doesn't even complain or exit if a half-baked incomplete kernel feature is missing or disabled | Sep 11 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true cat will fail if you have too old of glibc. And newer version of glibc it requries can require kernel features. | Sep 11 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Sorry there is not as much difference as you are attempting to make out. | Sep 11 14:57 |
| MinceR | wow, i didn't know glibc was part of the kernel | Sep 11 14:57 |
| MinceR | thanks, oiaohm! | Sep 11 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | glibc requires Linux 3.2 | Sep 11 14:57 |
| oiaohm | cat has indirect dependancy. | Sep 11 14:57 |
| MinceR | i also didn't know glibc depended on cgroups | Sep 11 14:57 |
| oiaohm | One day it might. | Sep 11 14:57 |
| oiaohm | over the years the kernel features glibc has required has been increasing. | Sep 11 14:58 |
| MinceR | that's a new low, even for you | Sep 11 14:58 |
| MinceR | let's make init depend on cgroups because glibc might one day depend on it too! | Sep 11 14:58 |
| MinceR | who knows, maybe one day cgroups will be usable | Sep 11 14:58 |
| oiaohm | cgroups was a classic chicken and egg problem. | Sep 11 14:59 |
| oiaohm | The lack of tracking of what started what has been a long term Linux kernel problem. | Sep 11 14:59 |
| MinceR | can't design cgroups properly first and make every system depend on it second? | Sep 11 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | https://s8.postimg.cc/w2ut09y45/image.jpg | Sep 11 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Note I said chicken and egg problem. How do you know you have a working cgroup system if nothing is using it in great volumes. | Sep 11 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Like before systemd cgroup v1 was thought to be working. | Sep 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | i review the design | Sep 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | i think about some common use cases | Sep 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | and i realize that i can't expect a frozen cgroup to handle a SIGTERM properly | Sep 11 15:01 |
| oiaohm | So far that was exactly what was done with cgroup v1. | Sep 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | and i decide whether i can live with that or not | Sep 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | this is not what poettering's cabal did, however | Sep 11 15:02 |
| oiaohm | frozen cgroup handle of SIGTERM was not exactly the problem. | Sep 11 15:02 |
| MinceR | they rushed in, made everything in cancerd depend on cgroups, _then_ realized the above problem exists, and they ignored it and just plain sent SIGKILL | Sep 11 15:02 |
| oiaohm | It was the fact programs could be in multi cgroups with only 1 frozen. | Sep 11 15:02 |
| MinceR | isn't the point of freezing a cgroup that processes can't run? | Sep 11 15:03 |
| oiaohm | So a single PID could have up to 12 cgroup enteries under cgroup v1. | Sep 11 15:03 |
| MinceR | otherwise they could spawn new processes | Sep 11 15:03 |
| oiaohm | cgroup v1 is insanely stupid it built around the idea of do one thing well. | Sep 11 15:03 |
| oiaohm | So you could freeze a cgroup and that would be like just freeze IO access. | Sep 11 15:03 |
| MinceR | Red Hat® -- Putting the cart before the horse since 1993.™ | Sep 11 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Or freeze memory access. | Sep 11 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Basically whole stack of insanity. | Sep 11 15:04 |
| MinceR | yet poettering's cargo cult used it to kill process trees | Sep 11 15:04 |
| oiaohm | What mostly worked as long as you never frozen anything. | Sep 11 15:04 |
| MinceR | cgroups® -- the kernel feature that works perfectly, so long as you don't use it.™ | Sep 11 15:05 |
| oiaohm | That was exactly the problem with cgroup v1 | Sep 11 15:05 |
| oiaohm | On paper it appeared to work properly. | Sep 11 15:05 |
| MinceR | still, none of this would have mattered if the cult didn't force it into "stable" releases of every major formerly GNU/Linux distro | Sep 11 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Once you real world tested it came very clear it did not work at all. | Sep 11 15:05 |
| MinceR | but they did. | Sep 11 15:05 |
| MinceR | see, this is what testing is for | Sep 11 15:06 |
| MinceR | you do testing _first_ and you push stuff into "stable" releases _afterward_, once you know it works! | Sep 11 15:06 |
| MinceR | instead of destroying organizations from within using entryism just so you can shove your half-baked shit down users' throats | Sep 11 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Like the idea to use cgroups is right. The idea to push it out before cgroups had been well and truly tested with real workloads was horriblely bad. Like cgroup v2 has most of the same features as cgroup v1 excepte now a PID can only own to 1 cgroup. | Sep 11 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Not 12 of o my no of cgroup v1 | Sep 11 15:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: do one thing well. To do a new job, build afresh rather than complicate old programs by adding new "features". << its that bit that made cgroup v1 a failure. | Sep 11 15:13 |
| MinceR | so, are you saying that cgroup v1 did not work well because it did something well? | Sep 11 15:14 |
| MinceR | that suddenly makes the systemd design philosophy much clearer | Sep 11 15:14 |
| MinceR | they should have made this public | Sep 11 15:14 |
| oiaohm | If you only used like the memory controller or the PID controller.... cgroup v1 worked perfectly. | Sep 11 15:14 |
| MinceR | systemd® -- works well because it does nothing well!™ | Sep 11 15:14 |
| oiaohm | cgroup v1 comes apart once you attempt to use its subsystems in a unified way. | Sep 11 15:15 |
| MinceR | of only my ubuntu xenial vm knew that, maybe then it wouldn't keep freezing in shutdown | Sep 11 15:15 |
| MinceR | and claim everything is "OK" | Sep 11 15:15 |
| MinceR | s/of/if/ | Sep 11 15:15 |
| oiaohm | systemd attempted to put security around services by using multi cgroup subsystems at the same time. | Sep 11 15:15 |
| MinceR | systemd attempted to kill unix by using entryism and politics | Sep 11 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Even docker and other things with cgroup v1 were doing a lot of voodoo to avoid it nightmares. | Sep 11 15:16 |
| MinceR | docker is a pile of shit as well, even if for partly different reasons | Sep 11 15:16 |
| MinceR | like its refusal to talk to the proxy it was configured to use | Sep 11 15:16 |
| oiaohm | docker on cgroup v1 and systemd on cgroup v1 set off the same set of failures if you push docker the right way include complete system lock ups. | Sep 11 15:17 |
| MinceR | are LXC and LXD shit like that too? | Sep 11 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Sep 11 15:17 |
| MinceR | great | Sep 11 15:17 |
| oiaohm | No one was pushing cgroup v1 hard enough before systemd | Sep 11 15:17 |
| oiaohm | to make it flaws in fact show. | Sep 11 15:18 |
| MinceR | then again, since cancerd has kernel feature requirements, i wouldn't want to contain lendows in containers that shared a kernel image with the host anyway | Sep 11 15:18 |
| MinceR | what about linux-vserver, virtuozzo and openvz? | Sep 11 15:19 |
| oiaohm | openvz pushed the wrongs ways will fail in cgroup v1 issues. | Sep 11 15:20 |
| oiaohm | linux-vserver, virtuozzo I have never checked. | Sep 11 15:20 |
| XRevan86 | virtuozzo is openvz | Sep 11 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Part of cgroup v1 design comes out of Linux-vserver | Sep 11 15:21 |
| XRevan86 | virtuozzo to openvz is what gitlab ee is to gitlab ce, or what nginx plus is to nginx | Sep 11 15:21 |
| XRevan86 | open core stuff | Sep 11 15:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so it fairly much everything doing containers on Linux had major issue that just were not noticed until systemd appeared and was running straight into the defects. | Sep 11 15:22 |
| MinceR | at the same time, systemd also greatly worsened a major issue with containers | Sep 11 15:22 |
| MinceR | (the requirement to share a kernel image) | Sep 11 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | > the requirement to share a kernel image | Sep 11 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | huh? | Sep 11 15:23 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: containers use the same kernel image as the host | Sep 11 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They are literally running under the same kernel. | Sep 11 15:23 |
| MinceR | since systemd has increasingly insane requirements of the kernel, there's a risk of those requirements affecting the host | Sep 11 15:23 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: yes, that's what i'm saying | Sep 11 15:24 |
| oiaohm | systemd got another bit of stupid fixed. cgroup v1 said you could only have 1 program controlling your cgroups at a time. | Sep 11 15:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's what containers do. They are not virtual machines. | Sep 11 15:24 |
| MinceR | yes, i know | Sep 11 15:24 |
| XRevan86 | why would they need an extra image? | Sep 11 15:24 |
| XRevan86 | they don't need to boot it | Sep 11 15:24 |
| MinceR | but it means that if i'm running a sane, lean kernel on the host, i can't run lendows in containers | Sep 11 15:24 |
| MinceR | maybe i should look into UML | Sep 11 15:24 |
| MinceR | it's a relatively soft kind of paravirtualization, iirc | Sep 11 15:25 |
| oiaohm | To be correct if you don't have all the features systemd wants in the kernel you cannot run most form of containers. | Sep 11 15:25 |
| MinceR | maybe it can handle memory usage sanely | Sep 11 15:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Because systemd needs features from it? | Sep 11 15:25 |
| MinceR | because systemd tries to control how my kernel is configured | Sep 11 15:25 |
| MinceR | and we've already seen what happens if someone allows systemd to control something. | Sep 11 15:25 |
| oiaohm | also you lose the ablity to track processes. | Sep 11 15:25 |
| oiaohm | unless you want to try the insanity of ptracing processes all the time. | Sep 11 15:26 |
| MinceR | before the systemd apocalypse, we had dozens of distributions which would behave sanely in a container | Sep 11 15:26 |
| MinceR | now we only have a handful | Sep 11 15:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Like mentioned before, if you have a vanilla Linux 2.6.32 on host and you run a container from it with a new distro, odds are glibc will fail first. | Sep 11 15:28 |
| MinceR | new kernels can also have sane configurations | Sep 11 15:29 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Like cgroups disabled? | Sep 11 15:30 |
| MinceR | yes | Sep 11 15:31 |
| MinceR | or like (in a possible future scenario) kdbus missing | Sep 11 15:31 |
| oiaohm | kdbus is dead. | Sep 11 15:31 |
| MinceR | or some other horrible monstrosity that they'd be forcing next | Sep 11 15:31 |
| oiaohm | dbus1 might be dead as well. | Sep 11 15:31 |
| MinceR | kdbus only died because Linus stopped it | Sep 11 15:32 |
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| MinceR | nobody else in charge of Linux realized or cared that it was shit | Sep 11 15:32 |
| MinceR | and red hat still wanted to ship it and have systemd depend on it | Sep 11 15:32 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: dbus-broker? | Sep 11 15:32 |
| MinceR | bus1, not dbus | Sep 11 15:33 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: yep dbus-broker | Sep 11 15:33 |
| oiaohm | As stupid as it sounds bus1 might die because of dbus-broker that started as part of the project to rework the dbus-deamon. | Sep 11 15:33 |
| MinceR | what's dbus-broker? | Sep 11 15:34 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/bus1/dbus-broker/wiki dbus-broker is a dbus-deamon writting to take full advantage of the IPC features the Linux kernel already has. | Sep 11 15:35 |
| MinceR | which ones? | Sep 11 15:35 |
| MinceR | TIPC? netlink? TCP/IP? unix domain sockets? something else? | Sep 11 15:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its your normal AF_UNIX sockets with with all the Linux added features. | Sep 11 15:42 |
| oiaohm | So same stuff dbus-deamon was using limited to generic posix with added bits of dbus-deamon unique stupidity. | Sep 11 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Most insane thing about dbus-deamon is it required this rule "No IPC to implement IPC" So yes dbus-deamon uses dbus itself to implement parts of the dbus protocol???? Kinda explains why dbus-deamon sometimes dead locks. | Sep 11 15:45 |
| oiaohm | systemd has been a path to on cgroups and dbus of having to face up to how bad they have been. | Sep 11 15:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: scary point is dbus-broker is faster than kdbus ever was. All it took was cleaning up the thing Linus called the hair ball. | Sep 11 15:49 |
| MinceR | nothing surprising about that | Sep 11 15:49 |
| MinceR | AF_UNIX is unix domain sockets, isn't it? | Sep 11 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep the traditional Unix domian sockets with all the Linux extentions. | Sep 11 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Of course that could be a problem to make it work on something like freebsd. | Sep 11 15:51 |
| MinceR | not a problem to them, they'll just say it's linux only | Sep 11 15:52 |
| oiaohm | It could be made more generic and still perform better than dbus-deamon. | Sep 11 15:53 |
| oiaohm | dbus-broker also drops the idea of sending dbus communication over tcp/ip that dbus-deamon supports that is up in there in the highly insane. | Sep 11 15:54 |
| MinceR | it seems that many things perform better than dbus-daemon | Sep 11 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Its not hard dbus-deamon makes systemd bad code look good. | Sep 11 15:55 |
| oiaohm | That is systemd init and service management. | Sep 11 15:55 |
| oiaohm | I still could not believe that you could have dbus-deamon enter a never ending loop of self trigger dbus calls. | Sep 11 15:57 |
| oiaohm | they found that when they were making dbus-broker | Sep 11 15:57 |
| MinceR | ye of little faith | Sep 11 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Who would think someone writing a IPC would make the IPC use it self. | Sep 11 15:58 |
| MinceR | why, it's the most effective way to implement it | Sep 11 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Its like straight up 100 percent sure path to dead locks. | Sep 11 15:58 |
| oiaohm | This is the path of fail dbus reqest come in need to check security send a dbus message to check security now that message need to check security send another dbus message to check security.... You can see where this is going. | Sep 11 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Not only eat you out of ram but 100 percent sure crash the service. | Sep 11 16:00 |
| oiaohm | I like the dbus-deamon description for being incorrect "a lightweight ipc mechanism" | Sep 11 16:02 |
| MinceR | def dbus(*args, **kwargs): dbus(*args, **kwargs) | Sep 11 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Both dbus and cgroups were suffering from execess complexity. | Sep 11 16:04 |
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| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2014/ | Sep 11 20:55 |
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| cubexyz | plan 9 was OK | Sep 11 23:25 |
| cubexyz | all the action is now mainly Linux and Linux derivatives | Sep 11 23:27 |
| cubexyz | win10 is antithetical to my use cases... | Sep 11 23:29 |
| cubexyz | what support will they have for older PCs? None | Sep 11 23:30 |
| cubexyz | not even worth thinking about | Sep 11 23:30 |
| cubexyz | yeah, you're probably not going to want to browse the net with abaco | Sep 11 23:31 |
| cubexyz | in the last two years I actually did some preservation work with old versions of firefox | Sep 11 23:34 |
| cubexyz | firefox 16 in particular | Sep 11 23:34 |
| cubexyz | everything always goes back to glibc support | Sep 11 23:35 |
| cubexyz | glibc too old? You can't run (newer/newish) firefox | Sep 11 23:35 |
| cubexyz | but then you're locked out of a lot of other good things as well | Sep 11 23:35 |
| cubexyz | Berkeley is important because of BIND, ftp, ntp, etc | Sep 11 23:48 |
| cubexyz | the first 32-bit port to Vax... | Sep 11 23:48 |
| cubexyz | IRC itself was invented in SunOS which is derived from BSD | Sep 11 23:49 |
| cubexyz | DEC helped with BIND btw | Sep 11 23:50 |
| XRevan86 | https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/ | Sep 12 00:46 |
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| cubexyz | some of that is windows specific | Sep 12 00:56 |
| cubexyz | I don't use ccleaner :) | Sep 12 00:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Indeed | Sep 12 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Still pretty cool of a page :) | Sep 12 00:58 |
| cubexyz | there was a problem with ftp and plain text passwords | Sep 12 00:59 |
| cubexyz | not sure if that was ever fixed | Sep 12 00:59 |
| *XRevan86 looks at the new UI in Chromium 69 | Sep 12 01:00 | |
| XRevan86 | It's amazing… how they picked up Australis from the Mozilla's trash bin. | Sep 12 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | very aesthetically unpleasing | Sep 12 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | I never liked Australis | Sep 12 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | At least Google didn't australis the menu, only the tabs… | Sep 12 01:01 |
| cubexyz | just use seamonkey instead | Sep 12 01:02 |
| cubexyz | or palemoon... | Sep 12 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Rather than the browser I don't actually use and only looked at because of the recent news article about the release? :) | Sep 12 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | It just amuses me that the idea recently rejected by Mozilla (wave-like curvy tabs) got picked up by Google. | Sep 12 01:03 |
| cubexyz | well I can't remember which browser you do use :) | Sep 12 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, Firefox. | Sep 12 01:04 |
| cubexyz | ok | Sep 12 01:04 |
| cubexyz | I don't like the fact that modern browsers run turtle slow on old PCs | Sep 12 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | Luckily I have a relatively new one | Sep 12 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | just 9 years old :) | Sep 12 01:05 |
| cubexyz | hence my resurrection of ff 16 | Sep 12 01:05 |
| cubexyz | newer than my 2008 E5200 at least | Sep 12 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | one year newer %) | Sep 12 01:07 |
| cubexyz | no, when I say old I really mean old | Sep 12 01:07 |
| cubexyz | like 2001 or older | Sep 12 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Yeah, I get that. | Sep 12 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | Firefox Australis: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hzs7PZHzFiQ/U197u_NkfKI/AAAAAAAASdw/eX816NbTgAQ/s1600/firefox29.png | Sep 12 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | Chromium 69: https://s8.postimg.cc/6nnliw8z7/image.png | Sep 12 01:07 |
| cubexyz | as I told oiaohm years ago I was hoping to reach 20 years, some of my computers have been working since 1998 | Sep 12 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | Luckily I also use Numix as the screenshot from WebUpd8 I found | Sep 12 01:08 |
| cubexyz | and of course there's the classic computing stuff | Sep 12 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | Fun fact: that annoying profile management button in Chromium 69 is not possible to disable. | Sep 12 01:09 |
| cubexyz | Tyan and IBM both must have used high quality capacitors in their motherboards | Sep 12 01:10 |
| cubexyz | I could just be lucky though | Sep 12 01:11 |
| cubexyz | but it seems if you got stuff from before 1999 it can last a very long time | Sep 12 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | My motherboard is Gigabyte and my main HDD is Seagate | Sep 12 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | and they work fine | Sep 12 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | ain't I lucky? :) | Sep 12 01:12 |
| cubexyz | I have some Seagate ST340810A's from 2001 that run 24/7 | Sep 12 01:13 |
| cubexyz | I monitor all that stuff | Sep 12 01:13 |
| cubexyz | using a UPS should help | Sep 12 01:13 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That is impressive | Sep 12 01:14 |
| cubexyz | the Quantum SCSI drive for the amiga 500 is from 1990 | Sep 12 01:15 |
| cubexyz | and I've heard that some of the old DEC stuff... ummm RK05's | Sep 12 01:15 |
| cubexyz | those are from 1974... and a few still work | Sep 12 01:16 |
| cubexyz | far less density you see | Sep 12 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | there's the survivor bias here, thoguh | Sep 12 01:17 |
| XRevan86 | though | Sep 12 01:17 |
| cubexyz | some of the ST340810A's were in storage for about a decade | Sep 12 01:18 |
| cubexyz | so they weren't running since 2001 | Sep 12 01:18 |
| cubexyz | same with the old Quantum LP42S | Sep 12 01:20 |
| cubexyz | I only turn it on once or twice a year | Sep 12 01:20 |
| cubexyz | um, LP52S that is | Sep 12 01:21 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, my original DSL modem still works too :) | Sep 12 01:21 |
| cubexyz | that's from 2004 | Sep 12 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | And I just don't have DSL %) | Sep 12 01:22 |
| cubexyz | I wonder if the current motherboards even have floppy connectors, or parallel and serial ports | Sep 12 01:32 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: EIA-232 is still hip, so a serial port – probably | Sep 12 01:33 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: PATA's – no | Sep 12 01:33 |
| cubexyz | I got a huge stack of 50-pin SCSI drives still :) | Sep 12 01:33 |
| XRevan86 | This 2009 one I have feels like one of the last ones that do have a PATA slot. | Sep 12 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | And it doesn't have a floppy one. | Sep 12 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | so 2011-2012 likely don't have that either | Sep 12 01:35 |
| cubexyz | could be the desktop market is shrinking a bit | Sep 12 01:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I don't know, not that many people care about PATA | Sep 12 01:36 |
| XRevan86 | when there's no demand, there's no supply | Sep 12 01:37 |
| cubexyz | maybe they even phased out PCI | Sep 12 01:37 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: no, that one is still widely used | Sep 12 01:37 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: So is the VGA connector | Sep 12 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | and so do DE-9's | Sep 12 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | The VGA connector is used with projectors a lot | Sep 12 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | I'm not sure why | Sep 12 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | and DVI is apparently being phased out | Sep 12 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | In favour of DisplayPort and proprietary HDMI | Sep 12 01:40 |
| cubexyz | :-/ | Sep 12 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | So VGA outlived DVI | Sep 12 01:41 |
| XRevan86 | who would've thought | Sep 12 01:41 |
| cubexyz | lots of VGA LCDs I'm sure | Sep 12 01:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: If by that you mean that they provide a VGA port | Sep 12 01:42 |
| cubexyz | yes | Sep 12 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: of course | Sep 12 01:42 |
| cubexyz | of course my stuff is old, so I'm not sure what the deal is now | Sep 12 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But connecting one with it won't be wise | Sep 12 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | especially if it is high resolution | Sep 12 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: So they do have the port, mostly, but one should rather use DisplayPort, DVI or HDMI, if possible. | Sep 12 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: This got me wondering if my info is actually old as well :) | Sep 12 01:45 |
| *XRevan86 goes to the Acer website | Sep 12 01:45 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: The models they show on their main page are claimed to have "Inputs: DisplayPort, HDMI, USB type C" | Sep 12 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Notice the lack of both DVI and VGA | Sep 12 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | BTW, I'd prefer DisplayPort over HDMI because it's not proprietary, and I'd prefer HDMI over USB type C, because I don't trust USB type C connectors. | Sep 12 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | same order as on their website :) | Sep 12 01:49 |
| *XRevan86 looked at some cheaper model, and it has DVI instead of USB type C | Sep 12 01:51 | |
| cubexyz | ultra-dma 100/66/33 that means I can use IDE still | Sep 12 01:51 |
| cubexyz | I think | Sep 12 01:51 |
| cubexyz | this is on the ASUS P5KPL-AM box | Sep 12 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | So maybe DVI outlives VGA at least on the monitor side of things | Sep 12 01:52 |
| cubexyz | the 2008 motherboard had a floppy connector, parallel, IDE, PS/2 | Sep 12 01:54 |
| cubexyz | perhaps it was one of the last of that kind | Sep 12 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | but not on the other side, because of the projectors, like I said before | Sep 12 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | https://www.lenovo.com/medias/lenovo-thinkpad-l470-hero.png?context=bWFzdGVyfGltYWdlc3w1OTI1NnxpbWFnZS9wbmd8aW1hZ2VzL2hiYi9oMmIvOTQxNDcwOTY0MTI0Ni5wbmd8ZTc3YjVjMjc2OTM2MzZlNGU5MGJhMWQwNmIxOGM5NjNlZGE2ZTRiMmNjODdjMWE4NmVlZjc3MDdjNGVkOThlMg – like here | Sep 12 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | I just picked a laptop randomly | Sep 12 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | * a new laptop randomly | Sep 12 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | If it's not slim too much for VGA, it'll probably have it | Sep 12 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | and if it's not Apple | Sep 12 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | Those people just don't care. | Sep 12 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe they have their own projectors with Lightning that only Macbooks can connect to, and the other way around :D | Sep 12 01:57 |
| cubexyz | basically apple is evil | Sep 12 01:58 |
| cubexyz | 11 generations of iphone since 2007? | Sep 12 01:58 |
| cubexyz | not worth it | Sep 12 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | They only care about their own silo. That is pretty evil. | Sep 12 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | and about cultivating that silo | Sep 12 01:59 |
| cubexyz | there isn't a lot of white box PC stuff, at least that is the impression I get now | Sep 12 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | If one bought an Apple product, they will try to use that to push everything else they have onto him/her. | Sep 12 02:01 |
| cubexyz | lots of used stuff for sale though | Sep 12 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What do you mean? | Sep 12 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | Literally white casings? (: | Sep 12 02:01 |
| cubexyz | you know, buy all the parts and assemble a computer for yourself | Sep 12 02:01 |
| cubexyz | whitebox = generic | Sep 12 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: oh | Sep 12 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I see lots of stuff | Sep 12 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: motherboards, casings, RAM, PCI cards, video cards, processors | Sep 12 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | power blocks | Sep 12 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | All that stuff is easily purchasable in a store. | Sep 12 02:03 |
| cubexyz | I'm just wondering if there's still a cost savings | Sep 12 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | At least in Russia it's a huge market. | Sep 12 02:04 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah you can definitely still do it | Sep 12 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's more efficient, it saves money even just by that | Sep 12 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | You know, configurability | Sep 12 02:05 |
| cubexyz | "Do NOT eat the termal material" | Sep 12 02:06 |
| cubexyz | whoa, I was totally going to do that | Sep 12 02:06 |
| cubexyz | thermal :) | Sep 12 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Now you know better | Sep 12 02:07 |
| cubexyz | I can remember putting 286's together, no thermal paste, no fan, no heat sink | Sep 12 02:07 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I'm not sure I can buy memory for my P3's locally | Sep 12 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What if I tell you 286 are still being produced? %) | Sep 12 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | By AMD | Sep 12 02:09 |
| cubexyz | ok, that is a surprise | Sep 12 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | except they call it 288, IIRC | Sep 12 02:09 |
| cubexyz | ok, but did you know there were 286's with S-100 BUS? :) | Sep 12 02:10 |
| cubexyz | or maybe it was S-100 with 286 CPU board | Sep 12 02:11 |
| cubexyz | http://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/80286%20Board/80286%20CPU%20Board.htm | Sep 12 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Oh, sorry, that was 186 | Sep 12 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | Am188 ES | Sep 12 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: These are still produced or were still produced a few years ago. | Sep 12 02:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I've only heard vaguely about S-100 | Sep 12 02:19 |
| cubexyz | Zenith Data Systems made the Z100 in 1983 | Sep 12 02:22 |
| cubexyz | that was the last of the S-100's I think | Sep 12 02:23 |
| cubexyz | sorry, it lingered on until 1986 | Sep 12 02:26 |
| cubexyz | there was a 68020 processor with 68881 co-processor | Sep 12 02:27 |
| cubexyz | the Cromemco CS-250 | Sep 12 02:27 |
| cubexyz | so the CPU wasn't part of the mainboard | Sep 12 02:29 |
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| XRevan86 | https://twitter.com/zdor17602/status/1039802484506730497 nice | Sep 12 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | I saw Russian authorities use the exact same rhetoric | Sep 12 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | "Well, Navalny, if you think we're corrupt, go prove that in court" | Sep 12 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: philippines also | Sep 12 17:59 |
| schestowitz | trillianes and duterte | Sep 12 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zdor17602/status/1039802484506730497 | Sep 12 18:06 |
| schestowitz | troll | Sep 12 18:06 |
| schestowitz | bot broken? | Sep 12 18:07 |
| schestowitz | http://example.org | Sep 12 18:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/12673115 | Sep 12 18:07 |
| schestowitz | odd | Sep 12 18:07 |
| schestowitz | ahhhh | Sep 12 18:07 |
| schestowitz | no voice | Sep 12 18:07 |
| schestowitz | the spammers are still around, MinceR? | Sep 12 18:08 |
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| MinceR | checking | Sep 12 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yeah. Please go to our rigged courts and try to prove in them that we rigged them. | Sep 12 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | Otherwise you're just not serious and worse, plain pussies. | Sep 12 19:03 |
| *XRevan86 actually watched a few (Russian) court processes on video from one end to another. | Sep 12 19:04 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: the latest kill by sigyn i could find happened yesterday | Sep 12 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | that was some experience | Sep 12 19:04 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: maybe they'll learn from it and ban recording them on video | Sep 12 19:05 |
| MinceR | like in the us | Sep 12 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They did, except they just made them worse | Sep 12 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | bad sound quality | Sep 12 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | and, of course, there are some cases where recording is forbidden | Sep 12 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | I am yet to determine how they determine – which | Sep 12 19:06 |
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| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f54sDEmHJI4 | Sep 12 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SAMSUNG MAKE FUN OF APPLE. AGAIN! - YouTube | Sep 12 19:13 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Samsung doesn't have a notch? | Sep 12 19:16 |
| MinceR | dunno | Sep 12 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | I thought every hip kid on the district has a notch these days | Sep 12 19:17 |
| MinceR | i stopped caring about samsung when they introduced provider lock | Sep 12 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | even OnePlus, even Allah | Sep 12 19:17 |
| MinceR | but yeah, the s9 and the s9+ have no notch | Sep 12 19:17 |
| MinceR | i cared even less about samsung then they dropped the microsd card slot from one of their alleged flagships | Sep 12 19:17 |
| MinceR | and then they dropped the removable battery | Sep 12 19:18 |
| MinceR | and made the back of the device from unsuitable materials | Sep 12 19:18 |
| MinceR | but since then, the entire industry started going to hell | Sep 12 19:18 |
| MinceR | even the lg v30 has a non-user-removable battery | Sep 12 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | And still have the worst Android ROM known to man. | Sep 12 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This reminds me HTC right after Apple killed the 3.5mm Jack. | Sep 12 19:20 |
| MinceR | and of course newer moto models also have non-user-removable batteries | Sep 12 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, Samsung Galaxy S9 has one | Sep 12 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | at least they did that right | Sep 12 19:21 |
| MinceR | one what? | Sep 12 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Jack | Sep 12 19:21 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 12 19:21 |
| MinceR | the lg v20 demonstrates what they should have done instead of the notch | Sep 12 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: no notch? | Sep 12 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | that's a good solution, yeah | Sep 12 19:25 |
| MinceR | secondary display beside the front camera and sensors | Sep 12 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: huh | Sep 12 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Would've been cool to have a little ink display there %) | Sep 12 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | to work all the time with minimal power requirements | Sep 12 19:28 |
| MinceR | not sure if such a tiny ink display would have been useful | Sep 12 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | but maybe that's dumb, dunno | Sep 12 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It could show time | Sep 12 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | 100% of the time | Sep 12 19:29 |
| MinceR | but it's not all it does | Sep 12 19:30 |
| MinceR | it displays shortcuts, notifications, notification icons, time, date | Sep 12 19:31 |
| MinceR | it allows incoming calls to be accepted or dismissed without intruding on the main screen | Sep 12 19:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Okay, that is neat | Sep 12 19:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Whoa. That was strange. First time GNOME Shell crashed on me in at least the past 5 years. | Sep 12 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I use it every day, so that's still a good track record, I guess. | Sep 12 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 still fucks up in every conceivable way. | Sep 12 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Microsoft is advertising a new tablet/laptop called Surface Go. It comes in two configurations. A base model for $399 US and an upgrade model for $549. | Sep 12 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I check it out while I'm at Best Buy. | Sep 12 19:59 |
| MinceR | it's garbage | Sep 12 19:59 |
| MinceR | https://flickergate.com/ | Sep 12 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Flickergate - Surface Pro Screen Flickering and Shaking | Sep 12 19:59 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turns out that it runs Windows 10 in "S Mode" which means....No desktop apps. To make sure, I tried running a desktop app. | Sep 12 19:59 |
| MinceR | microsoft products are always garbage | Sep 12 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Windows pops up this message..... Upgrade to Windows 10 Professional for $99 to run desktop apps. | Sep 12 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | Surface Go Away | Sep 12 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you get what looks like a cheap laptop with decent specs for the money and the first thing you have to do is pay Microsoft $100 to remove app restrictions that make it useless, and there is no support for running GNU/Linux, so that's not currently an option. | Sep 12 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Is it ARM or something? | Sep 12 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, it has a "Pentium Gold Edition" CPU. | Sep 12 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks like a dual core x86-64 CPU running at 1.6 Ghz. | Sep 12 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably based on the 8th generation Intel Core architecture, seeing as the laptop was just released. | Sep 12 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I rebooted it while nobody was looking and there was no option in the BIOS to disable Secure Boot. | Sep 12 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So no GNU/Linux at all unless you boot it with shim, and even then, this thing probably has custom chips in it that Linux doesn't support yet. Most Surface laptops do and it takes months or years for Linux to get a driver for some components. :( | Sep 12 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Of course there wasn't… | Sep 12 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no way that Microsoft gives you a laptop at a loss that can easily be made to run a competing operating system. | Sep 12 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Sep 12 20:04 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The upside is that someone will figure it out eventually and these things are gonna have no resale value at all because word will spread that by the time you pay for the real Windows, not the crippled S vesion, you may as well have gotten a different laptop. | Sep 12 20:07 |
| MinceR | even then, they'll probably have a hardware failure rate of 25% or greater | Sep 12 20:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, $100 is only $100, but.... It's 25% of the total cost of the base model and just over 18% of the cost of the upgrade model, and you have to pay that _after_ you get the thing home before it will run real software. Ouch. Trojan Horse from Microsoft. | Sep 12 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/13604 this is the dumbest thing I've seen all day | Sep 12 20:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The use of "blacklist" is offensive! · Issue #13604 · facebook/react · GitHub | Sep 12 20:09 | |
| XRevan86 | Not the bugreport itself, which is clearly satire / trolling | Sep 12 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | but that it was approved | Sep 12 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, MinceR, If I thought I could buy a laptop from Microsoft at (their) loss and then wipe Windows off of it and run Fedora....I might do just that. | Sep 12 20:13 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 12 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they know that if word gets out that it's just that easy, then people will, and they end up losing money on many of the units they sell, because nobody buys apps from their store or pays $100 for real application support. | Sep 12 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: A major hurricane is about to hit the Carolinas. Here's what I wrote on Facebook. | Sep 12 20:24 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/wymHyvKHAgeROsUYOYRrCqRm > | Sep 12 20:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uggh, formatting. | Sep 12 20:25 |
| MinceR | yeah, The Weather Channel's app notified me about it, even though it knows i'm not even close to america | Sep 12 20:25 |
| MinceR | twice | Sep 12 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LMAO | Sep 12 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Chicago is in no danger at all. I haven't gotten any alerts. | Sep 12 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I say no danger.... | Sep 12 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The poor who lose their homes might be transplanted into the ghetto here, like what happened to Houston after Katrina. | Sep 12 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now Houston is one of the shittiest and most violent cities in America. | Sep 12 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The federal government picks up all the people who cause all the crime and don't have any wheels and evacuates them to your formerly decent city. How nice. | Sep 12 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was watching the news. The states affected have reversed the traffic on the incoming side of the freeway. | Sep 12 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | State troopers were escorting people out who were driving down the freeway at like 90 miles an hour. | Sep 12 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is going to be bad, for them. | Sep 12 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That thing is going to rip their houses apart and destroy their cars, but.... On the other hand. These are primarily people who say global warming is a Chinese hoax and voted for Republicans, then moved closer and closer to the coast. *shrug* | Sep 12 20:31 |
| MinceR | now the AccuWeather app notified me about it too | Sep 12 20:31 |
| MinceR | good thing the 4 other weather apps i have are hungarian | Sep 12 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Chicago doesn't really have natural disasters, as such. | Sep 12 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, some hail and the occasional tornado, but I'm far enough into the city that even the tornadoes don't reach here. | Sep 12 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are occasional "events" like what happened during the polar vortex in recent years. | Sep 12 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It came down here and the temp dropped to 20 below zero (F) and the wind blew the waves from Lake Michigan onto Lake Shore Drive. | Sep 12 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They froze in place. People had to abandon the buses and vehicles until they thawed out. | Sep 12 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was a real spectacle. | Sep 12 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I was at home having a really fun time. I was boiling water and then going out and throwing it into the air. | Sep 12 20:35 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 12 20:35 |
| MinceR | did it turn into snow? | Sep 12 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes. Immediately. | Sep 12 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | [20:00] <DaemonFC[m]> So Windows pops up this message..... Upgrade to Windows 10 Professional for $99 to run desktop apps. | Sep 12 20:46 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 12 20:46 |
| schestowitz | you gave MSFT money | Sep 12 20:47 |
| schestowitz | now they want MOAR | Sep 12 20:47 |
| schestowitz | good luck | Sep 12 20:47 |
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| MinceR | there is no such thing as "enough money" | Sep 12 21:06 |
| schestowitz | to some there is | Sep 12 21:06 |
| schestowitz | but not corporations | Sep 12 21:06 |
| schestowitz | certainly not shareholders | Sep 12 21:06 |
| schestowitz | to them we're 'consumers' and companies are empty vessels whose only goal is "value", not ethics | Sep 12 21:07 |
| MinceR | i don't think there is to anyone | Sep 12 21:07 |
| MinceR | more money is always better | Sep 12 21:07 |
| MinceR | especially if you consider that the presence of more money tends to inflate prices | Sep 12 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The sad part is that when people buy the laptop and then get it home and pay the $100 to get the non-crippled Windows 10...it still won't be enough. | Sep 12 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because Microsoft plans to make it a monthly fee soon. | Sep 12 21:08 |
| cubexyz | yes, as expected | Sep 12 21:08 |
| MinceR | and because it's still a microsoft "laptop" | Sep 12 21:08 |
| cubexyz | in the old days we had register level understanding of our microcomputers | Sep 12 21:11 |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1039483911779348481 | Sep 12 21:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NumbersMuncher: Yes, there's audio of Trump patting himself on the back for having the tallest building in Manhattan after the WTC… https://t.co/oILiVcfrsJ | Sep 12 21:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NumbersMuncher: Yes, there's audio of Trump patting himself on the back for having the tallest building in Manhattan after the WTC… https://t.co/oILiVcfrsJ | Sep 12 21:12 | |
| MinceR | #trumpdid911 | Sep 12 21:12 |
| cubexyz | I first had a vague idea that microsoft was bad back in 1987 | Sep 12 21:13 |
| cubexyz | my job at the time was to review windows 2.0 | Sep 12 21:14 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-I9cWBN-LM | Sep 12 21:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Crushing Anvil With Hydraulic Press - YouTube | Sep 12 21:19 | |
| cubexyz | but before that there was the CP/M era | Sep 12 21:19 |
| cubexyz | tons of CP/M systems in 1982 | Sep 12 21:21 |
| cubexyz | in the UK there was Amstrad CPC6128 | Sep 12 21:21 |
| cubexyz | even in 1984 there were still some CP/M boxes being made | Sep 12 21:22 |
| cubexyz | TRS-80 Model 4... I know it's ancient history now | Sep 12 21:24 |
| cubexyz | so yeah, I guess the main impetus to turn things around to FOSS started with Minix 1.5 | Sep 12 21:29 |
| cubexyz | I'll say Minix 1.5 because Prentice Hall was selling the box bundled with the OS and before that I never saw anything similar | Sep 12 21:29 |
| cubexyz | so around 1991 or so things _started_ to go in the right direction | Sep 12 21:30 |
| cubexyz | the book bundled with the OS rather | Sep 12 21:30 |
| cubexyz | I hated the win95 era... it was a low point | Sep 12 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi | Sep 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | > Hope you are well. While I would normally be very careful about where I | Sep 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | > send something and what I do with it in this case I think I might think | Sep 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | > in some other way... some e-mail that came to me today... | Sep 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | > I'm reaching out because I wanted to give you a head's up that *o*n | Sep 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | > September 20, GitLab will announce a Series D funding round placing them | Sep 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | > amongst an elite group of startups. Would you like to see this news under | Sep 12 21:42 |
| schestowitz | > embargo ? This news comes on the heels of one of the years biggest | Sep 12 21:42 |
| schestowitz | > acquisitions from MSFT of GitHub, which is drawing heightened awareness | Sep 12 21:42 |
| schestowitz | > for the value | Sep 12 21:42 |
| schestowitz | > developers play in everyday business activities. If you can agree to the | Sep 12 21:42 |
| schestowitz | > *September 20 at 7:30 a.m. ET embargo*, I can share more details, | Sep 12 21:42 |
| schestowitz | > including funding size, investors, and company milestones | Sep 12 21:42 |
| schestowitz | > with you. | Sep 12 21:42 |
| MinceR | https://www.pidjin.net/2013/11/07/famous-last-words/ | Sep 12 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pidjin.net | Famous last words - Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. | Sep 12 22:55 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/NgRMnLK.jpg | Sep 12 22:59 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft has been plastering Surface Pro and Surface Go ads all over the CTA train stations. | Sep 13 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, I guess I'm glad that they and Apple end up funding the CTA. | Sep 13 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd rather have their ads on it than end up with a 15% fare hike, but I'm not sure that the CTA is charging them as much as it could. | Sep 13 00:42 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Maybe a CTA CEO is from Microsoft, and it is CTA who pay Microsoft for placing the ads there :P | Sep 13 02:07 |
| cubexyz | microsoft did the usual back to school media blitz | Sep 13 02:09 |
| cubexyz | and there's a "get chicago transit" microsoft app | Sep 13 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | Your kid is back to school, consider buying him/her this laptop that he/she won't be able to do anything on but watch YouTube videos. | Sep 13 02:11 |
| cubexyz | "of course this laptop will run AROS and freedos, right?" <--- difficult customer | Sep 13 02:13 |
| cubexyz | just imagine the enjoyment looking for dos drivers for wifi :) | Sep 13 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I cannot, my imagination halted on the FreeDOS UEFI compatibility step %). | Sep 13 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | and then on Secure Boot signing step | Sep 13 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | * on the | Sep 13 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | "My daughter likes to build an optimised Linux kernel herself, is Surface Go a good solution for her" | Sep 13 02:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: ^ the fun of Secure Boot %) | Sep 13 02:18 |
| cubexyz | yeah I'm not sure what to recommend these days | Sep 13 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: To always check if Secure Boot can be disabled. | Sep 13 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | at least that | Sep 13 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | It's a pity enterprises don't want to sell computers, but appliances | Sep 13 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | s/, but/ but/ | Sep 13 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | I think the comma was extra there | Sep 13 02:26 |
| cubexyz | anyways, Domex DMX3191D will solve my immediate problem | Sep 13 02:50 |
| cubexyz | it's either that or put another PC together with an ISA slot | Sep 13 02:51 |
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| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29 | Sep 13 05:57 |
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| MinceR | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/12/spanish-actor-detained-after-ridiculing-god-and-the-virgin-mary | Sep 13 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Spanish actor detained after ridiculing 'God and the Virgin Mary' | World news | The Guardian | Sep 13 08:04 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Well, the US isn't that bad yet. | Sep 13 09:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's something, I guess. | Sep 13 09:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Supposedly, being in the EU grants you certain rights, but in practice, it seems like it doesn't. :( | Sep 13 09:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Being put on trial for saying something that offends religious people sounds like something that would happen in Iran, not in an EU member state. | Sep 13 09:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/12/tesla_hack/ | Sep 13 09:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | 2-bit punks' weak 40-bit crypto didn't help Tesla keyless fobs one bit • The Register | Sep 13 09:37 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder if this would work in my Kia, but even if it did, the transponder is enough to stop some stupid street criminal from stealing it. | Sep 13 09:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hotwiring an old car was relatively easy. | Sep 13 09:37 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: nice... | Sep 13 10:40 |
| schestowitz | easy pickings | Sep 13 10:40 |
| schestowitz | "smart" | Sep 13 10:40 |
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| MinceR | 13 103424 <+DaemonFC[m]> Supposedly, being in the EU grants you certain rights, but in practice, it seems like it doesn't. :( | Sep 13 13:20 |
| MinceR | the EU has certain alleged "values" | Sep 13 13:20 |
| MinceR | after fideath spent over 8 years violating them constantly and consistently, some people in the EP are starting to realize that maybe they should do something about it someday. | Sep 13 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, sad.. | Sep 13 15:10 |
| schestowitz | but true | Sep 13 15:10 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Firefox-Clang-LTO-All-Platforms | Sep 13 20:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Firefox Is Now Built With Clang+LTO Everywhere, Sizable Performance Wins For Linux - Phoronix | Sep 13 20:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Mozilla developers did try GCC LTO as well as switching to the newest GCC8 release, but ran into problems. " | Sep 13 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What problems? Fedora is building Firefox with GCC 8 and that's what I'm using now. | Sep 13 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I doubt that anything will change that forcess you to use Clang to build Firefox, but I wouldn't entirely put it past Mozilla to do that. | Sep 13 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It'll make supplying Firefox as the default browser harder for distributions. | Sep 13 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is exactly what Mozilla doesn't need right now. Yeah, GNU/Linux is "only" 3-4% of their users, but it's not like they can afford to lose too many. | Sep 13 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most Mac users stick to Safari and many Windows users are probably not coming back from Chrome. | Sep 13 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla has been teetering on the edge of irrelevance for quite a while now anyway. They lost their spot to Chrome, which is now a monoculture like IE once was, which allows Google to do pretty much anything they want, especially on their own websites. | Sep 13 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not Microsoft Edge that's a big threat. Microsoft has tried everything from spamming the Windows 10 desktop with ads for it, switching the default browser back without asking, and now they're going to "warn" people to not install a different browser, but nothing so far has gotten Edge too many users who would't have stuck to IE all along anyway. | Sep 13 20:24 |
| MinceR | Internet Edgesplorer | Sep 13 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, there's a sizable contingent of Windows 10 users who make Internet Explorer 11 the default browser anyway. | Sep 13 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, why is that even possible? | Sep 13 20:25 |
| MinceR | because microsoft | Sep 13 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft says that IE 11 is there, frozen in time, other than security updates. | Sep 13 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That it will eventually be removed when compatibility concerns subside. | Sep 13 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There really isn't anything that can be done to secure IE because it still supports boneheaded things like ActiveX that were designed to let websites install software on your computer with minimal user interaction. | Sep 13 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, it should be gone already. | Sep 13 20:27 |
| MinceR | same is true for windows | Sep 13 20:29 |
| MinceR | and yet... | Sep 13 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Profile Guided Optimization is kind of a con job anyway. | Sep 13 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They turn it on and then have Firefox run synthetic benchmarks, and then it appears to be quite good at running synthetic benchmarks. | Sep 13 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unfortunately, web sites are not synthetic benchmarks and real world performance suffers. | Sep 13 20:33 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter, as failfox is just an inferior clone of chromium | Sep 13 20:34 |
| MinceR | it didn't have to be that, but mozilla wanted it that way | Sep 13 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Update_i686_architectural_baseline_to_include_SSE2 | Sep 13 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/Update i686 architectural baseline to include SSE2 - Fedora Project Wiki | Sep 13 20:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, there's really no point in having compatibility with Pentium 3 processors anymore anyway, considering that the 32-bit Linux kernel can't reliably run on hardware that old anyway. | Sep 13 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I jsut feel that enabling SSE 2, while giving better performance to some apps, is going to provoke odd errors in some 32-bit x86 software along the way that makes stupid assumptions. | Sep 13 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It probably won't affect anything from the distribution itself, but Steam games or something might break here and there. | Sep 13 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the developers generally don't want to hear that their app is broken unless it stops working on Ubuntu. | Sep 13 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The compiled binaries should still remain compatible with the i686 alternative architecture, so they do not need rebuilding. (The instructions generated by GCC are compatible with a pure 32-bit x86 platform.) However, Fedora does not currently perform automated tests to enforce this." | Sep 13 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This ^ | Sep 13 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Chances are that non-trivial changes that have no test cases are going to silently break something. | Sep 13 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: But who cares about software incompatibilities when there's a ~1% performance gain to be had? | Sep 13 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | IIRC, Fedora already tried doing this once and had to back it out, because it was breaking things like Borderlands 2 on Steam. | Sep 13 20:48 |
| cubexyz | I still want P3 support | Sep 13 20:50 |
| cubexyz | I got at least two working P3's | Sep 13 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In theory, on actual 32-bit x86 hardware, this bumps the minimum processor requirement for Fedora to the Pentium 4, introduced in 2000, or the Athlon64/Opteron models introduced by AMD in 2003. | Sep 13 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Starting with Fedora 29. | Sep 13 20:51 |
| cubexyz | the opposite problem could happen: | Sep 13 20:51 |
| cubexyz | an old distro might not run on newer hardware | Sep 13 20:51 |
| cubexyz | netbsd has 'tiers' of support levels | Sep 13 20:53 |
| cubexyz | tier one being the most supported | Sep 13 20:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: there are still 386/486 x86 instruction set only cpus made new. | Sep 13 20:53 |
| cubexyz | tier one: x86_c64 (of course, what else?), arm, mips, powerpc, i386, sparc and xen | Sep 13 20:54 |
| cubexyz | and netbsd (probably) supports the most architectures | Sep 13 20:54 |
| cubexyz | tier two _still_ supports atari and amiga | Sep 13 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was using an old Sempron 3000 laptop as a beater. Only had 1 GB of RAM, and that was an upgrade. | Sep 13 20:56 |
| cubexyz | not supporting P3 is just lazy | Sep 13 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It finally crapped out a few years ago. I had been running Crunchbang on it to try to free up as much RAM as possible so that Firefox would at least work. | Sep 13 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :/ | Sep 13 20:56 |
| oiaohm | 386/486 x86 instruction set x86 chips made new are heavy radation harded ones. | Sep 13 20:56 |
| MinceR | >considering that the 32-bit Linux kernel | Sep 13 20:57 |
| MinceR | can't reliably run on hardware that old anyway. | Sep 13 20:57 |
| MinceR | what, have they bloated it that much? | Sep 13 20:57 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Are you saying Fedora still has IA32 support? | Sep 13 20:57 |
| XRevan86 | I thought they dropped it | Sep 13 20:57 |
| MinceR | or maybe it's just fedora which is bloated, which is not news | Sep 13 20:57 |
| cubexyz | tut tut, you could run an older Fedora... | Sep 13 20:57 |
| MinceR | if i wanted to suffer | Sep 13 20:58 |
| MinceR | because fedora sucks | Sep 13 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was like watching an elephant tap dance. You weren't amazed that it could do it well. You were amazed that it could do it at all. | Sep 13 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought they dropped it | Sep 13 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, but it isn't really _supported_, so problems dont block releases anymore. | Sep 13 20:59 |
| cubexyz | really glibc itself is bloated | Sep 13 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're pretty much on your own with hardware that old. | Sep 13 20:59 |
| cubexyz | but if you go alpine linux you get a new set of problems | Sep 13 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, because it turns out that all off those "efficient" libc implementations out there turn out to be missing things that applications were really using. | Sep 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why glibc persists. | Sep 13 21:01 |
| cubexyz | if I stuck with only the basics and programs I wrote myself, then alpine linux is fine | Sep 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many of them "aim" to be compatible with glibc, but none of them truly are. | Sep 13 21:02 |
| cubexyz | maybe there's a way to get the other stuff to work, I lost patience with it | Sep 13 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There have been some improvements to glibc lately. | Sep 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=glibc-malloc-thread-cache | Sep 13 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Glibc Enables A Per-Thread Cache For Malloc - Big Performance Win - Phoronix | Sep 13 21:03 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Improvements if you have a new-ish system. I doubt that it helps on resource constrained systems. | Sep 13 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The big complaint about glibc is memory usage, but even cheap computers now have tons of memory, so nobody really cares. | Sep 13 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's going to be a choice between compatibility, performance, and memory usage, and you can pick two, well, that's what made glibc like it is today. :) | Sep 13 21:05 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html Its not that straight forwards. | Sep 13 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.etalabs.net | Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux | Sep 13 21:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | By the time these libc-on-a-diet things get to the point where they're reasonably compatible with glibc, they are already most of the way to glibc's resource appetite anyway. | Sep 13 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's been argued before, over and over, that glibc was obese. | Sep 13 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It spans decades. | Sep 13 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the people who wanted it to be smaller always lost out because computers got faster and with more memory. | Sep 13 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The people who cared lost, got better systems eventually, and shut up. | Sep 13 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Sep 13 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Speaking of which....There are a lot of old-ish Core 2 era systems coming on the secondhand market recently, for not a lot of money. | Sep 13 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some have even been cleaned up and upgraded. | Sep 13 21:09 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://wiki.musl-libc.org/functional-differences-from-glibc.html you found this page I hope. | Sep 13 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.musl-libc.org | musl libc - Functional differences from glibc | Sep 13 21:09 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those can even still run GNOME 3 or KDE if you like, and they're all of $50. | Sep 13 21:09 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: musl is around because its MIT license. Great for those wanting to static link. | Sep 13 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the GNU LGPL is ideal for some cases, but you have to dynamically link to it if you're not happy about your program falling under the same license. | Sep 13 21:11 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: musl is not trying to be glibc compadible it attempting to be fully standard compadible so it not glibc in quite a few places. | Sep 13 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | https://linuxrocks.online/@vinzv/100714434596124281 | Sep 13 21:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vinzv: "Not sure if shameless or desperate: When you try …" - LinuxRocks.Online | Sep 13 21:12 | |
| cubexyz | I'd try alpine linux again, but it's just not my priority | Sep 13 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The GNU project has had contempt for standards in many cases and deviates from them quite often. | Sep 13 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cynically, one might point out that they are attempting to subvert the existing standard and compatibility and forcing developers to make the choice to only support the GNU behavior instead. | Sep 13 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is probably why they have been completely silent about even outside software that more or less forces this decision, like systemd. | Sep 13 21:14 |
| MinceR | they could have realized the error of their ways, but nooooooooooooo | Sep 13 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The FSF is not beyond Embrace, Extend, Exterminate. | Sep 13 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not by a long shot. | Sep 13 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One only has to look at the manuals for the GNU coreutilities to realize that the GNU system is definitely not UNIX. | Sep 13 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if there is a POSIX mode, it does not always comply with the POSIX standard, even in that mode. | Sep 13 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Sep 13 21:16 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/jHvieOU.gifv | Sep 13 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Sep 13 21:16 | |
| MinceR | the GNU system is about as Unix as they come | Sep 13 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Things have improved in some ways over the years, and gotten worse in other ways. | Sep 13 21:17 |
| MinceR | did you think that corporate Unixes had perfect POSIX compliance? :> | Sep 13 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Systemd is definitely moving GNU/Linux further away from POSIX/UNIX. | Sep 13 21:17 |
| cubexyz | the 'real' Unix aficionados are on TUHS | Sep 13 21:17 |
| cubexyz | people who run Bell Labs Unix, myself included | Sep 13 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Of course not. Apple bought.....let me repeat....BOUGHT....exemptions from the UNIX test cases that OS X failed. | Sep 13 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ':) | Sep 13 21:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 13 21:18 |
| MinceR | well, the SUS has always been a racket anyway | Sep 13 21:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you can count the corporate Unixes with perfect POSIX compliance on 1 finger. It IBM AIX | Sep 13 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's worthless. It's marketing bullshit. | Sep 13 21:18 |
| cubexyz | so tell me when we had a 'standard' Unix | Sep 13 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The POSIX standard is, at least, real. | Sep 13 21:18 |
| MinceR | it's easy to tell if a "unix" certification is bullshit or not | Sep 13 21:18 |
| MinceR | just check if they've certified any free unixes | Sep 13 21:18 |
| MinceR | if not, it's bullshit | Sep 13 21:19 |
| MinceR | just a money grab | Sep 13 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Well, at least one GNU/Linux system was certified as Posix.1 compliant. | Sep 13 21:19 |
| cubexyz | you want quasi-Traditional Unixy Linux there's slackware :) | Sep 13 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But none have been submitted for SUS certification, and why would they? SUS is bullshit. | Sep 13 21:19 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure want else to recommend honestly | Sep 13 21:20 |
| cubexyz | netbsd, openbsd I guess | Sep 13 21:20 |
| cubexyz | s/want/what/ | Sep 13 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Any standard where you stop and fail on part of the test and pay for them to ignore the failure instead of forcing you to fix it is a bogus standard. | Sep 13 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, SUS is bullshit. | Sep 13 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And, as I recall, OS X didn't just fail a few parts of the test. | Sep 13 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was well north of a dozen. | Sep 13 21:21 |
| MinceR | it was up to The Closed Group to make the first step | Sep 13 21:21 |
| MinceR | they have a product (certification) that they have to sell | Sep 13 21:21 |
| MinceR | s/have to/want to/ | Sep 13 21:21 |
| oiaohm | Really does everyone forgot what GNU expands to. | Sep 13 21:21 |
| MinceR | no, nobody forgot | Sep 13 21:21 |
| MinceR | that was about its origins and licensing | Sep 13 21:21 |
| oiaohm | GNU Not Unix | Sep 13 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The opposition to Systemd has been token opposition, really. | Sep 13 21:22 |
| oiaohm | GNU own name is a statement of non conformance. | Sep 13 21:22 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, but it supports all the Unix v7 system calls, I think just about everything did, including Minix | Sep 13 21:22 |
| cubexyz | so a bit of a misnomer | Sep 13 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not surprised that Canonical has basically given up trying to engineer anything of their own. | Sep 13 21:22 |
| MinceR | and yet they relied on the POSIX specs to determine how the interfaces are supposed to work | Sep 13 21:22 |
| cubexyz | or rather the Linux kernel did | Sep 13 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That costs money. Might as well let someone else spend the $$$ and sit back and twink everything into Ubuntu later, often shockingly worse than whatever condition it was in upstream. | Sep 13 21:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Posix specs to GNU were guide lines. | Sep 13 21:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, canonical decided long ago that development costs too much | Sep 13 21:23 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: just like they were to everyone else | Sep 13 21:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: bar IBM | Sep 13 21:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is only 1 that has every made a Unix fully to posix specs and they have done that many times over and that is IBM. | Sep 13 21:24 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: are you going to claim that AIX is the only Unix? | Sep 13 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | > Apple bought.....let me repeat....BOUGHT....exemptions from the UNIX test cases that OS X failed. | Sep 13 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Can you elaborate on that? :) | Sep 13 21:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: IBM did not believe in paying extra to failed tests. Instead they fixed them and pays the smallest fee possible. | Sep 13 21:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: It is funny that there is only one who went that route all the other Unix paid to look the other way. | Sep 13 21:26 |
| cubexyz | AIX branched off from SysV | Sep 13 21:27 |
| oiaohm | Yep AIX has a traditional Unix blood line as well. | Sep 13 21:27 |
| cubexyz | but AIX is closed, hardly ideal | Sep 13 21:27 |
| oiaohm | Really AIX proves it possible to build proper Posix conformance just most parties have not been willing to invest todo it. | Sep 13 21:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: everyone is doing is the excuse those who don't have proper posix conformance use to justify paying fees to have failed tests ignored. | Sep 13 21:29 |
| cubexyz | AIX doesn't even run on x86 hardware nowadays | Sep 13 21:31 |
| cubexyz | I'll make do with slackware and the BSDs | Sep 13 21:31 |
| cubexyz | you need IBM's ridiculous iSeries, or whatever it's called | Sep 13 21:32 |
| MinceR | iirc AIX does horrible things about shared libraries | Sep 13 21:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and posix standard does not contain anything about how shared libraries are handled. | Sep 13 22:04 |
| oiaohm | AIX is a good example that you can be posix conforming and still be evil design. | Sep 13 22:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Sun Microsystems tried to turn the Windows API into a public standard at one point in the 1990s. | Sep 13 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft fought it hard and the proposal died without even being voted on. | Sep 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems that Wine and ReactOS will be the closest that ever gets to happening, and it's not at all clear whether ReactOS is even legally "clean". | Sep 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There were some accusations that they reverse engineered some Windows DLL functions and based some ReactOS libraries on a blind copy of them. | Sep 13 22:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Without any real understanding of what they were doing or how any of it really worked. | Sep 13 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The ReactOS project denies it, but.... | Sep 13 22:50 |
| cubexyz | there was that wabi thing, not sure if that's related to what you're talking about | Sep 13 22:50 |
| cubexyz | disappeared ages ago | Sep 13 22:50 |
| cubexyz | I see the standardization attempt was written up in wikipedia | Sep 13 22:51 |
| cubexyz | I think wabi was a win16 API spec | Sep 13 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, but it was not comparable to Wine. | Sep 13 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It required a full copy of Windows 3.1 to be provided by the user. | Sep 13 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Although, that was waaaaay before product activation, so.... | Sep 13 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many people used to simply copy Windows install floppies onto blanks for friends. | Sep 13 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Office too, and a lot of other stuff. | Sep 13 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say that the reason GNU/Linux, LibreOffice, and other software has gotten more popular in recent years, is because Microsoft just can't pull Windows 10 together. It still fails in random and horrible ways. Many times, just because you tried installing security patches and rebooting. | Sep 13 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Add on the fact that there's a major update every 6 months now.... | Sep 13 22:59 |
| cubexyz | win10 was just the last nail in the coffin... | Sep 13 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who used Windows before suffered for it in many ways, but at least it was basically the same OS for like 10+ years with a service pack or two along the way. | Sep 13 23:00 |
| cubexyz | windows geniune advantage with it's false positives POed a lot of people | Sep 13 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Service Packs _could_ fail to install, but it was much less common. | Sep 13 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It often meant that you had a virus or something. | Sep 13 23:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, Windows Update really started to fuck up a lot when Microsoft went from individual hotfix updates to megapatches. | Sep 13 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've transitioned Windows 7 and 8 over to this method of updates, so you either take these gigantic patches or you get nothing at all. | Sep 13 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It just doesn't seem to happen on Fedora that upgrading packages goes wrong, and if you like, you can cherry pick updates, so that's a major thing it has going for it. | Sep 13 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can ignore things you don't think are important until you change your mind, and it doesn't just randomly reboot while you're doing something. | Sep 13 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know why people are using these "Windows Insider" preview builds. | Sep 13 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows just doesn't come with a lot of built-in functionality. | Sep 13 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So what you're getting more of is bugs and annoyances, usually because nobody has tested the changes. | Sep 13 23:05 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: I had service packs install but then ruin system on windows 2000. Mostly because they would be allowed to be installed in wrong order. Ie installing sp1 for windows 2000 after you had installed sp4. | Sep 13 23:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wow. :/ | Sep 13 23:10 |
| cubexyz | I trust the linux community, I don't trust the M$ one | Sep 13 23:11 |
| cubexyz | even calling M$ a 'community' is dubious | Sep 13 23:12 |
| cubexyz | I do run wine now and then for games and a few programs for windows I wrote before I knew better | Sep 13 23:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I read a news article the other day that says that Microsoft has done such a lousy job of policing their own "community forums" that at least 3,200 fake "support articles" pointing to various scams were found on them. :) | Sep 13 23:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://latesthackingnews.com/2018/09/13/microsoft-takes-down-more-than-3000-tech-support-scam-ads/ | Sep 13 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latesthackingnews.com | Microsoft Takes Down More than 3000 Tech Support Scam Ads - Latest Hacking News | Sep 13 23:14 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: ^ Ping | Sep 13 23:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zdnet.com/article/tech-support-scammers-find-a-on-microsoft-technet-pages/ | Sep 13 23:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tech support scammers find a home on Microsoft TechNet pages | ZDNet | Sep 13 23:15 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wrote on Facebook: It used to be that a Windows license added $50 to the cost of a PC that came with it, but soon, that might be $5 a month in perpetuity, raising the Total Cost of Ownership of a Windows license to $300 over five years of owning a computer with it, or $600 over ten years. (Or more. Microsoft hasn't come clean on what the monthly fee for Windows 10 will be.) Soon, the Microsoft Windows OS won't just | Sep 13 23:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | be a nightmare. It will end up costing as much as the computer it runs on. | Sep 13 23:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | More GNU/Linux users inbound? Maybe. I suspect that many people who | Sep 13 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | are used to models like Spotify will see the Windows Fee as just another | Sep 13 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | subscription.... *sigh* | Sep 13 23:22 |
| cubexyz | to fully escape M$ bad influence one must learn to read docs, how to compile and maintain programs, and even write their own docs if necessary | Sep 13 23:51 |
| cubexyz | otherwise one might find oneself paying the M$ subscription fee(s) | Sep 13 23:52 |
| cubexyz | doesn't have to be GNU/Linux... but that's probably your best bet | Sep 13 23:57 |
| cubexyz | I do maintain one openbsd box and several chromebooks | Sep 13 23:58 |
| cubexyz | along with many linux (mostly slackware) boxes | Sep 13 23:58 |
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| kaniini | microsoft are stepping up their game to EEE distributions using WSL: https://pleroma.site/notice/5003031 | Sep 14 00:34 |
| kaniini | we really need to design a license to deal with this new type of threat | Sep 14 00:34 |
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| oiaohm | kaniini: really WSL move is not new. You have missed Unix systems like Solaris providing Linux syscall emulation. Even freebsd provides Linux syscall emulation. | Sep 14 00:42 |
| oiaohm | kaniini: history says emulating Linux syscalls long term dooms your OS. | Sep 14 00:43 |
| kaniini | those are unix-likes though :) | Sep 14 00:44 |
| oiaohm | blackberry having qnx emulating android by emulating Linux kernel. | Sep 14 00:45 |
| oiaohm | is a recent one. | Sep 14 00:45 |
| oiaohm | kaniini: can you think exactly why it a kiss of death. | Sep 14 00:45 |
| kaniini | oiaohm because microsoft have a different vision | Sep 14 00:46 |
| kaniini | you're talking about app emulation | Sep 14 00:46 |
| kaniini | microsoft has an entirely different vision | Sep 14 00:46 |
| kaniini | they want entire linux distros to become "apps" | Sep 14 00:46 |
| kaniini | instead of downloading alpine or whatever, and running it on an actual machine | Sep 14 00:47 |
| oiaohm | That exactly what blackberry was attempt to do to android. | Sep 14 00:47 |
| kaniini | yes, but android is the largest mobile phone OS in the world | Sep 14 00:47 |
| kaniini | windows is the largest desktop OS :) | Sep 14 00:47 |
| kaniini | the power dynamics are a bit different :) | Sep 14 00:47 |
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| oiaohm | Really the power dynamics are not exactly different. | Sep 14 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Application developers will always look for paths to reduce workload. | Sep 14 00:49 |
| oiaohm | We have seen it with wine. | Sep 14 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Where instead of making a Linux native port they assist wine to be compadible with their windows application. | Sep 14 00:50 |
| oiaohm | WSL shift the dynamic. | Sep 14 00:50 |
| oiaohm | I expect to see Microsoft drag feet as long as possible on graphical support for WSL. | Sep 14 00:51 |
| oiaohm | kaniini: docker images think about it they contain one distribution but then run side a different one. | Sep 14 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: you could argue Google does the same | Sep 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | first crouton | Sep 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | now deb packages under chromeos | Sep 14 01:00 |
| kaniini | yeah | Sep 14 01:00 |
| oiaohm | There is a long history of Unix emulating other Unixs. | Sep 14 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft NT use to emulatong OS/2 | Sep 14 01:01 |
| oiaohm | and OS/2 use to have emulator for windows. | Sep 14 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Windows NT has a subsystem thing for a reason. | Sep 14 01:02 |
| oiaohm | kaniini: one thing to remember you cannot write a windows program using pure windows syscalls and use it on many versions of windows. | Sep 14 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Linux has syscall stablity. | Sep 14 01:06 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: remember cygwin | Sep 14 01:08 |
| schestowitz | I used it around 2001 | Sep 14 01:08 |
| schestowitz | none of this is a thing we couldn't cope with before | Sep 14 01:08 |
| schestowitz | But I agree with you WSL is very EEE-like | Sep 14 01:08 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: you are forgoting colinux | Sep 14 01:09 |
| cubexyz | I'm not going to start running windows just because of WSL (or any other reason) | Sep 14 01:10 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure I'd even run windows if they gave me the complete source code | Sep 14 01:10 |
| oiaohm | kaniini: http://www.colinux.org/ Microsoft has resisted toding this. | Sep 14 01:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.colinux.org | Cooperative Linux | Sep 14 01:10 | |
| oiaohm | Yes WSL is very EEE like. But there has always been the people wanting to run Linux application using Linux syscalls on windows. | Sep 14 01:12 |
| cubexyz | give me a computer with complete firmware source and documentation down to the register level, then we'll talk | Sep 14 01:12 |
| cubexyz | since WGA my inclination to run doze is exactly zero | Sep 14 01:15 |
| cubexyz | they check your BIOS, MAC address and hard drive serial number and who knows what else | Sep 14 01:17 |
| cubexyz | what if your motherboard dies? it's utter bollocks | Sep 14 01:18 |
| schestowitz | we need to resist WSL | Sep 14 01:19 |
| schestowitz | (which I do) | Sep 14 01:20 |
| schestowitz | but not much more can be done beyond reminding people Vista 10 is spyware with back doors | Sep 14 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Over 2/3 of Microsoft Azure business is managing Linux. | Sep 14 01:20 |
| schestowitz | (so they don't use it full time, maybe only winker with WSL and then install 'proper' GNU/Linux) | Sep 14 01:20 |
| oiaohm | So it was any really a matter of time because the heavy internal usage of Linux in Microsoft was going to cause Linux compadiblity to come to desktop windows. | Sep 14 01:22 |
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| oiaohm | kaniini: https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/14/16775764/microsoft-windows-10-openssh-client-support WSL is part of a collection of changes | Sep 14 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft is adding native OpenSSH to Windows 10 - The Verge | Sep 14 01:29 | |
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| cubexyz | my local computer store sells no os computers | Sep 14 01:40 |
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| cubexyz | eused.ca has a core2duo for $60 with ununtu on it | Sep 14 01:48 |
| cubexyz | ubuntu | Sep 14 01:49 |
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| cubexyz | not that hard to avoid win10 | Sep 14 01:51 |
| schestowitz | vista10 | Sep 14 01:56 |
| cubexyz | for $200 CAN you can get an 8 gig, I5 box with ubuntu | Sep 14 01:57 |
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| cubexyz | at least you know the lenovo thinkcentres can run linux | Sep 14 02:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz It helps that WSL performance is even worse than running Ubuntu in an emulator in some ways. | Sep 14 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They made WSL pointless by making it perform its job so poorly. | Sep 14 02:29 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 14 02:31 |
| schestowitz | as expected | Sep 14 02:31 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: you would define Microsoft on WSL as a feature they have to implement to attempt to stop market share loss. But they are resisting as much as possible. | Sep 14 04:37 |
| oiaohm | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY1vRrS9Lrk&list=PLbzoR-pLrL6rOT6m50HdJFYUHyvA9lurI&index=6 << Microsoft working on Linux | Sep 14 04:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Azure Sphere: Fitting Linux Security in 4 MiB of RAM - Ryan Fairfax, Microsoft - YouTube | Sep 14 04:43 | |
| schestowitz | lol | Sep 14 04:54 |
| schestowitz | working on hijacking Linux | Sep 14 04:54 |
| schestowitz | and changing the narrative | Sep 14 04:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: not exacty | Sep 14 05:14 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Microsoft has ceased making their own OS for embedded usage. | Sep 14 05:14 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Azure Sphere using Linux kernel is filling that section of Microsoft | Sep 14 05:15 |
| oiaohm | This is death by thousand cuts. | Sep 14 05:16 |
| schestowitz | meh | Sep 14 06:14 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather see them die without entryism | Sep 14 06:14 |
| schestowitz | they harm the LF a lot | Sep 14 06:14 |
| schestowitz | OSI too | Sep 14 06:14 |
| schestowitz | they look to cause damage | Sep 14 06:14 |
| schestowitz | even as they drown | Sep 14 06:14 |
| oiaohm | The bad news is a big company like Microsoft does not lose relevancy quickly or silently. | Sep 14 06:36 |
| oiaohm | Like if you said 10 years ago that Microsoft would be funding development of open source firmware include Linuxboot/coreboot in 10 years time most people would say are you pulling my leg that would never happen. But that is the reality today. | Sep 14 06:38 |
| cubexyz | I never heard of Microsoft funding coreboot | Sep 14 06:42 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: came out this years Linux security conference. | Sep 14 06:44 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so it this year. | Sep 14 06:44 |
| oiaohm | First they ignore you; then they abuse you; then they crack down on you and then you win. <<Mahatma Gandhi real quote. | Sep 14 06:45 |
| cubexyz | need to see links for that one | Sep 14 06:46 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnqRbBGGfIs&t=0s&list=PLbzoR-pLrL6rOT6m50HdJFYUHyvA9lurI&index=13 came out in this video where the Microsoft staff person admits to what they have been working. | Sep 14 06:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Open System Firmware Projects - Elaine Palmer, IBM Research - YouTube | Sep 14 06:47 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: on. | Sep 14 06:47 |
| cubexyz | if anything intel boot guard and secure boot are impeding coreboot | Sep 14 06:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: being on stage on a pannel is always place for foot in mouth. | Sep 14 06:48 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its coming out of Azure a lot. Think about it Microsoft it now a cloud provider running massive number of servers. Lot being Linux. Now clean and functional and secure firmware is coming important to Microsoft bottom line. | Sep 14 06:50 |
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| schestowitz | you are thinking of aws | Sep 14 06:54 |
| schestowitz | msft very distant from it | Sep 14 06:54 |
| schestowitz | it's just calling lots of things "cloud" and "azure" now | Sep 14 06:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: not aws | Sep 14 06:55 |
| schestowitz | propping up the lie that it's catching up fast and is "viable" | Sep 14 06:55 |
| schestowitz | aws is by far bigger | Sep 14 06:55 |
| schestowitz | (which isn't a good thing, either) | Sep 14 06:55 |
| cubexyz | listening... I see Google people, IBM people, oh and yes a microsoft person too, interesting | Sep 14 06:56 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Microsoft Azure datacentres 2/3 what running in it from customers is Linux something. The switchs used in the Azure datacentres are open hardware with a controller OS based on debian. | Sep 14 06:57 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: basically its a very Linux place. | Sep 14 06:57 |
| oiaohm | There just has to be internal fights between those backing Linux a lot and those wanting to work on windows. | Sep 14 07:00 |
| oiaohm | Inside Microsoft | Sep 14 07:01 |
| cubexyz | well the open compute project is interesting | Sep 14 07:07 |
| cubexyz | Ron is saying you can buy linuxboot OCP motherboards ready to go | Sep 14 07:08 |
| cubexyz | Ron Minnich | Sep 14 07:09 |
| cubexyz | stuff like Novena, which I have no idea what the status is now | Sep 14 07:13 |
| cubexyz | there's a good pdf from AMI believe it not | Sep 14 07:15 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ami-solutions-ocp.pdf | Sep 14 07:17 |
| cubexyz | not sure how that helps with oddball OSes though | Sep 14 07:18 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ZTFzrR6.jpg | Sep 14 07:19 |
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| schestowitz | x https://www.techrepublic.com/article/who-contributes-most-to-open-source-the-answers-will-definitely-surprise-you/ | Sep 14 09:22 |
| schestowitz | # aiming for hostile takeover with the help of quislings | Sep 14 09:22 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: Not exactly Microsoft increase in working on open source projects lines up with how much their income has come based on providing Linux services. | Sep 14 11:15 |
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| XRevan86 | ugh, /e/ (eelo) has Telegram pre-installed | Sep 14 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: is it that bad? | Sep 14 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Maybe in Russia | Sep 14 14:58 |
| schestowitz | afaik, XRevan86, it's kind of 'FOSS" | Sep 14 14:59 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Telegram is a proprietary service with false advertisement as the most secure thing ever | Sep 14 14:59 |
| schestowitz | though people trust the binaries in "stores" | Sep 14 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Apple, Google etc (NSA PRISM) | Sep 14 14:59 |
| schestowitz | I don't trust any "apps" | Sep 14 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Not even signal | Sep 14 15:00 |
| schestowitz | I don't trust any modern phone | Sep 14 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | Telegram's encryption has been critiqued many times. | Sep 14 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | and there were incidents like private chats showing up in the Google search, because they didn't put robot.txt on their invite links | Sep 14 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Only their clients are (partly) FOSS. | Sep 14 15:01 |
| schestowitz | ok, got it | Sep 14 15:01 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I never used these | Sep 14 15:01 |
| schestowitz | I assume all my calls are recorded and index | Sep 14 15:01 |
| schestowitz | and so I talk only football and stuff | Sep 14 15:01 |
| schestowitz | very dull things | Sep 14 15:01 |
| XRevan86 | So that's why Telegram pre-installed on /e/ annoys me | Sep 14 15:02 |
| XRevan86 | > Your data is your data; We build desirable, open source, privacy-enabled smartphone operating systems | Sep 14 15:03 |
| XRevan86 | Then why not at least Wire? That thing has a FOSS server at least. | Sep 14 15:03 |
| XRevan86 | and doesn't require a phone number for registration | Sep 14 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | Or they could make an XMPP server and pre-install Conversations. | Sep 14 15:04 |
| MinceR | or they could use Tox | Sep 14 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know, Tox is pretty problematic | Sep 14 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | Strictly from one device to another, and with an ID that is impossible to memorise | Sep 14 15:07 |
| schestowitz | what about Ring? | Sep 14 15:07 |
| schestowitz | ring.cx iirc | Sep 14 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | same deal | Sep 14 15:07 |
| MinceR | Ring has an atrocious build system | Sep 14 15:08 |
| MinceR | it refuses to build unless i give it root so it can fetch and install packages and it won't even tell me what it wants to install | Sep 14 15:08 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe they changed something, though, I only checked it when it came out. | Sep 14 15:08 |
| MinceR | your devices can remember the Tox keys of your contacts | Sep 14 15:08 |
| MinceR | and if you want good security, you'll have to transfer the public keys out of band anyway | Sep 14 15:09 |
| MinceR | might as well use them as the address | Sep 14 15:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: With XMPP an OMEMO key is not transferred clear text | Sep 14 15:09 |
| MinceR | with XMPP, if your XMPP server dies, your JID becomes useless, your roster becomes unreachable and you get to make contact with people all over again | Sep 14 15:11 |
| MinceR | or you get to use multiple servers simultaneously and show up as several users for everyone | Sep 14 15:11 |
| MinceR | and XMPP servers are horribly unstable | Sep 14 15:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Roster is locally cached, so… | Sep 14 15:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I use my own + jabber.at, both work reliably well :P | Sep 14 15:11 |
| XRevan86 | … for years | Sep 14 15:12 |
| MinceR | i switched several times, even used a public service that tracks downtimes | Sep 14 15:12 |
| MinceR | and bitlbee still spams me with reconnects all the time | Sep 14 15:12 |
| XRevan86 | https://compliance.conversations.im/ something from this list? | Sep 14 15:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-compliance.conversations.im | Server overview · XMPP Compliance Tester | Sep 14 15:14 | |
| MinceR | none of the 4 XMPP servers i've used so far appear on that list | Sep 14 15:15 |
| MinceR | i think there were others too, but that was before i started using bitlbee | Sep 14 15:16 |
| MinceR | so i'm not sure what they were | Sep 14 15:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: jabbim.com? jabber.ru? | Sep 14 15:18 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Sep 14 15:19 |
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| XRevan86 | > or you get to use multiple servers simultaneously and show up as several users for everyone | Sep 14 15:22 |
| XRevan86 | BTW, sounds like what happens when a Tox users uses multiple devices %) | Sep 14 15:22 |
| XRevan86 | * when a Tox user | Sep 14 15:23 |
| MinceR | if an XMPP user uses multiple devices, they show as multiple resources | Sep 14 15:25 |
| MinceR | and of course that means multiple resources for every JID | Sep 14 15:25 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: And no one cares about resources these days. | Sep 14 15:26 |
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| XRevan86 | With such thing like message carbons it just doesn't matter to which resource to send the message. | Sep 14 15:27 |
| XRevan86 | * With such a thing | Sep 14 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | I miss "XEP-0308: Last Message Correction" :P | Sep 14 15:29 |
| MinceR | there also needs to be an XEP for Penultimate Message Correction : | Sep 14 15:32 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 14 15:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: heh | Sep 14 15:33 |
| schestowitz | if you want private talk, use sauna or jacuzzi | Sep 14 15:52 |
| schestowitz | no microphones there :-) | Sep 14 15:52 |
| MinceR | how do you know? | Sep 14 15:53 |
| XRevan86 | jacuzzi-over-ethernet | Sep 14 15:53 |
| MinceR | [ Applications found : 0 ] | Sep 14 15:53 |
| MinceR | for both ;) | Sep 14 15:53 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | XMPP seems to be dead. | Sep 14 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All of the major implementations have ceased to operate. | Sep 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | hhmmm | Sep 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | the protocol works ok for me | Sep 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | did cisco buy it really? | Sep 14 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not sure, but Google Talk and Facebook Chat no longer support it. | Sep 14 19:32 |
| MinceR | fiasco systems indeed bought Jabber, Inc. | Sep 14 19:33 |
| MinceR | and fucked them up | Sep 14 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know if DuckDuckGo still has their server on. | Sep 14 19:33 |
| MinceR | "WebEx Connect" changed the protocol in an incompatible way | Sep 14 19:33 |
| MinceR | (also, it's a bloated pile of shit) | Sep 14 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm going to have to replace my cable modem eventually. | Sep 14 19:33 |
| MinceR | XMPP survived Jabber, Inc., though | Sep 14 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Comcast says it's incompatible with my speed package, not that I ever got close to the stated speed anyway, in 17 years, even with their modem. | Sep 14 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm trying to hold on with this one until combo modem router units come out that have DOCSIS 3.1 support. | Sep 14 19:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Mine is an 8x4 DOCSIS 3.0 model. Comcast is lying about the speed. They say my package is now 250 Mbps. An 8x4 should be good up to 400, iirc, which leads me to believe that they're limiting the speed to pitch an $11 a month modem rental. Bastards. | Sep 14 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That leaves me with a few choices. Get a better DOCSIS 3.0 unit and risk having it become obsolete sooner rather than later, pay Comcast another $11 each month for one of their units, or keep using what I have until it either breaks down or they force it off their network, either all at once or by slowly sabotaging my connection until I surrender. | Sep 14 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or I guess, option 4. Try to push this piece of crap that I have long enough for the 3.1 units to be out and then buy a steeply discounted 24x8 or something DOCSIS 3.0 in the secondhand market for $50-60 and hope that Comcast doesn't get nasty with DOCSIS 3.0 users for some time to come. | Sep 14 19:42 |
| schestowitz | tessier: network was very slow | Sep 14 19:43 |
| schestowitz | for almost an hour | Sep 14 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From what their rep was hinting at, they have configured their channels in such a way that even though mine can bond 8 channels down and 4 up, Comcast isn't using the maximum possible bandwidth on each channel, rendering the device incapable of reaching its advertised speeds. Maybe there's a legitimate reason for this, and maybe Netgear just overpromised what the piece of shit could really do. | Sep 14 19:43 |
| schestowitz | now it seems to be down | Sep 14 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, it would seem if you're going to use Comcast's higher tiers, you can't expect an 8x4 to work properly, even if it says on the box that it can. | Sep 14 19:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | And if you rent a Comcast unit, it creates an XFINITYWIFI network for their other customers to log into your internet connection with. Comcast says it's secure, but I doubt it, and it would stop the modem from going into low power mode when it's idle, so you're paying the electric bill for Comcast to do this to you. | Sep 14 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'd probably toss in a bitcoin miner if they thought they could get away with it. | Sep 14 19:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I was talking to someone on Facebook. WGN reported some Windows 10 nuisances, and I pointed out that they are just symptoms of a larger disease, that is Windows, and the only way to fix it is to use a different OS, such as a GNU/Linux distribution. | Sep 14 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone replied that they used a Mac because of that. I replied that while macOS might not be as bad as Windows 10 as far as spying on people and foisting ads into the desktop, it was because Apple had already made a ton of money off of him on the front end, and that they went further by requiring him to buy other Apple products, like an iPhone, if he wanted all of it to work with his computer. | Sep 14 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't buy an Android phone and pair it with a Mac, afaik. The backup is integrated with Apple Time Capsule, so you can't just buy a normal NAS device, iTunes won't sync a non-Apple MP3 player, etc. | Sep 14 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They use all of their products as hooks to get you to buy their other products. | Sep 14 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, after Windows Phone flopped, Microsoft decided to "embrace" Android. They even have an Edge browser for it. | Sep 14 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I tried that out. It wasn't terribly impressive. Many of the features don't even work if you don't use Edge on Windows 10. It's designed as a way to share browser context between your phone and your computer, with both Opera and Firefox have done all along. | Sep 14 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | [19:53] <DaemonFC[m]> So, after Windows Phone flopped, Microsoft decided to "embrace" Android. They even have an Edge browser for it. | Sep 14 20:08 |
| schestowitz | I doubt many would download it | Sep 14 20:08 |
| schestowitz | so many they can threaten OEMs | Sep 14 20:08 |
| schestowitz | pay us for patents or preload our junk instead | Sep 14 20:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yeah, well, Samsung doesn't seem to be bundling it like they used to. | Sep 14 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Perhaps they got too many complaints. | Sep 14 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A 32 GB phone that came with 3 GB of useless Microsoft crap that you couldn't even delete without rooting probably made some people a little cranky. | Sep 14 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was the Galaxy S6. | Sep 14 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | test: s http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/115550 | Sep 14 20:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 Lesser Known Yet Awesome Text Editors | Tux Machines | Sep 14 20:17 | |
| schestowitz | ok | Sep 14 20:17 |
| schestowitz | we had some network-related issues | Sep 14 20:17 |
| schestowitz | bandwidth maxed, should be ok now | Sep 14 20:18 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/zFV8pNt | Sep 14 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | [20:10] <DaemonFC[m]> That was the Galaxy S6. | Sep 14 20:39 |
| schestowitz | yeah, disgusting | Sep 14 20:39 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about what Microsoft had done to them | Sep 14 20:39 |
| schestowitz | have not paid sufficient attention for a while though, as I cover other things | Sep 14 20:39 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SD Times Open Source Project of the Week: #freedesktop .org http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/115555 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8ae8c50e-edd3-4475-a405-c87bb12545c0] | Sep 14 20:43 | |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/dhvwhj.jpg | Sep 14 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: The biggest implementations – ejabberd, Prosody, Openfire (on the server side), Conversations on Android, ChatSecure on iOS, Gajim on the desktop, work quite fine. | Sep 14 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | Facebook never counted as a legitimate implementation of XMPP. | Sep 14 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | Towards the end of Google Talk, I had almost no one with it in my roster, same as with Yandex.Online. | Sep 14 20:54 |
| XRevan86 | Within the XMPP community they started losing relevance before that as their servers gradually became outdated. | Sep 14 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | Google Talk famously worked badly with MUCs. | Sep 14 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | and had various other quirks | Sep 14 20:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: familiar | Sep 14 20:58 |
| XRevan86 | So if crap like Google Talk and Facebook really were the major implementations of XMPP, then it's good that XMPP is "dead" | Sep 14 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | The QIP's XMPP server was also very big back in the day. It's still up. | Sep 14 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | But it is no longer in the XMPP federation because every up-to-date server blocks SSLv3 connections. | Sep 14 21:01 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Coreboot Improvements For FU540 Land Following #SiFive 's Open-Source Boot Code http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/115556 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e33cc045-7a79-4c23-9b31-9a28f2871b80] | Sep 14 21:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Python #Programming and Politics, Events http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/115557 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d69c35b2-0e0f-4e76-ad1e-07af70dd3763] | Sep 14 21:08 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #VKMS Driver Getting Cursor Support In The Next Kernel Cycle http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/115558 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7385fee5-15bc-44f0-a4d0-0725cf6fbd24] | Sep 14 21:12 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm grabbing a Fedora 29 nightly to check it out. | Sep 14 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | May go ahead and install it if it works okay. | Sep 14 21:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Chrome 69 Tip for GNU/Linux and Beta of Next Chrome Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/115559 [https://pleroma.site/objects/18181628-a27b-4e69-bc60-3e39606e19d4] | Sep 14 21:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/115560 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fa45fd5e-7769-433d-87e3-4aa033a79ea1] | Sep 14 21:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41774017_10156726754049044_476140555470897152_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=08eaadc7adbed0423082d1651b878c21&oe=5BED3E57 | Sep 14 21:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 14 21:48 |
| schestowitz | looks fake to me :-) | Sep 14 21:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I unlocked one of my old credit cards and ordered a pizza with it. | Sep 14 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Have to use it at least once a year or they close the account, and since that account is 6 years old, having it closed would drag down my credit rating significantly. :P | Sep 14 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I need to keep it open for at least another couple of years until my next oldest card is over 6 years old. | Sep 14 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've more or less figured out the FICO score, which is why I'm up to 780. :P | Sep 14 22:18 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 14 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They actually do punish you for bizarre reasons, MinceR | Sep 14 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They like to keep the exact workings a secret, but enough people have said what affected their score that we have an idea of how it works. | Sep 14 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, people with just a car loan pay it off, then it's no longer an open account and their credit score drops 60 points. | Sep 14 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not what you'd expect to have happen after making 66 payments on time and finishing off the loan in good standing, but it happens. :P | Sep 14 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not that it does punish you for not being in debt, it's that it punishes you for not having a very long average open account age. | Sep 14 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-29-Beta-Delayed | Sep 14 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora 29 Beta Has Been Delayed - Phoronix | Sep 14 22:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They delay the beta because it won't boot on the Raspberry Pi? | Sep 14 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I guess if it doesn't delay the final release, then whatever. Seems like a silly reason to hold up the Beta though. | Sep 14 22:36 |
| XRevan86 | https://loadaverage.org/notice/13959492 | Sep 14 22:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alexei Sorokin (xrevan86@loadaverage.org)'s status on Friday, 14-Sep-2018 21:38:51 UTC - LoadAverage | Sep 14 22:47 | |
| XRevan86 | Some day 2018-09-14 turned out to be %) | Sep 14 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | https://awoo.chown.me/@vigdis/100726178161002954 the other side | Sep 14 22:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-awoo.chown.me | Vigdis :flan_set_fire:: "I didn't ban some asshole at the first time becau…" - Mastodon | Sep 14 22:50 | |
| XRevan86 | Yep, that's me. | Sep 14 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | https://awoo.chown.me/@vigdis/100726169427682827 oh boy | Sep 14 22:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-awoo.chown.me | Vigdis :flan_set_fire:: "Current status" - Mastodon | Sep 14 22:56 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.30/ | Sep 14 22:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-help.gnome.org | GNOME 3.30 Release Notes | Sep 14 22:57 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/UrgOhnDlLZJMdZASlWmXbKan > | Sep 14 22:59 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder what they're referring to. Maybe that mroe aggressive garbage collection in the Shell. | Sep 14 22:59 |
| cubexyz | are they locking out boot from usb on new motherboards? | Sep 14 23:09 |
| cubexyz | or even boot from DVD/CD | Sep 14 23:10 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: banned from all of it? | Sep 14 23:12 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Of course not. Just one person's private instance. | Sep 14 23:12 |
| schestowitz | haha | Sep 14 23:12 |
| XRevan86 | But I'm starting to get why some people find the network unwelcoming | Sep 14 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | But oh well, it just got big enough… | Sep 14 23:14 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 14 23:15 |
| schestowitz | i got kicked off my instance | Sep 14 23:15 |
| schestowitz | then, gnusocial de just shut down | Sep 14 23:15 |
| schestowitz | so now I start afresh on a third one | Sep 14 23:15 |
| schestowitz | what a "success story" | Sep 14 23:15 |
| schestowitz | btw, joindiaspora was defunct for 5 days | Sep 14 23:15 |
| XRevan86 | 4 years ago I couldn't think someone would ban me for pitching-in in a conversation and calmly disagreeing with someone. | Sep 14 23:16 |
| schestowitz | then the "podmin" finally fixed it | Sep 14 23:16 |
| schestowitz | if you are Russian with a Russian IP address, they now have a different excuse | Sep 14 23:16 |
| schestowitz | "Russian bots" | Sep 14 23:16 |
| schestowitz | "hackers" | Sep 14 23:16 |
| schestowitz | "election meddling" | Sep 14 23:16 |
| schestowitz | all the corporate media buzz is breeding stigma | Sep 14 23:17 |
| XRevan86 | Also the guy apparently wanted to make the report to disroot in private, and then it got reposted, and now the opposing replies he got got him angry | Sep 14 23:18 |
| XRevan86 | I find the idea of reporting someone for saying something ugly on the Internet to the E-mail provider very… Stalin-like? | Sep 14 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | Just to teach someone a lesson | Sep 14 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | - Hello, Comcast, this person you're giving Internet access to, has said that I'm a terrible person, and other epithets that I am not allowed to say on the phone. Please ban him forever. | Sep 14 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Comcast does do this | Sep 14 23:22 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's weird to see Internet get so much censorship these days, not all even from the governments. | Sep 14 23:22 |
| schestowitz | on a per-server masis | Sep 14 23:22 |
| schestowitz | basis | Sep 14 23:22 |
| schestowitz | they blacklisted many servers of email | Sep 14 23:22 |
| schestowitz | bellsouth (US) banned mine about a decade ago | Sep 14 23:22 |
| schestowitz | it still is banned for some reason | Sep 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | it's from the government, XRevan86 | Sep 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | government-connected firms | Sep 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | because they are less accountable to people | Sep 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | they don't need to earn our vote and get elected | Sep 14 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I mean, like this guy wanted to ban some jerk from the mailing list and banned me just for saying that's not wise. | Sep 14 23:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: He is not the government | Sep 14 23:24 |
| XRevan86 | and I see other attempts of people to get some form of control over what happens on the Internet | Sep 14 23:24 |
| schestowitz | everyone, it's natural | Sep 14 23:24 |
| XRevan86 | as if it *must* reflect their ideal of it | Sep 14 23:24 |
| schestowitz | but bans are extreme unless it's purely spam | Sep 14 23:25 |
| XRevan86 | That jerk from the mailing list is Russian, BTW %). | Sep 14 23:26 |
| XRevan86 | And I could tell even without looking at the name. | Sep 14 23:27 |
| XRevan86 | It is not that uncommon for Russians to be disrespectful on the Internet, to speak their minds like that. | Sep 14 23:28 |
| XRevan86 | Take that, multiculturalism (: | Sep 14 23:28 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, the freedos people told me that they don't support UEFI, so if your motherboard has UEFI you're then no freedos | Sep 14 23:42 |
| cubexyz | coreboot is no problem (it has seabios) | Sep 14 23:42 |
| cubexyz | s/you're// | Sep 14 23:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, duh %) | Sep 14 23:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I did give you that info, including the rationale :) | Sep 14 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | it couldn't possibly work with UEFI | Sep 14 23:43 |
| cubexyz | ok, guess I forgot | Sep 14 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | It's like expecting the Sun to appear pink tomorrow. | Sep 14 23:43 |
| cubexyz | seabios can work with CSM though | Sep 14 23:48 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: How? o_0 | Sep 14 23:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#CSM_booting do you mean this? | Sep 14 23:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface - Wikipedia | Sep 14 23:49 | |
| cubexyz | special seabios version | Sep 14 23:49 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, so tianocore or something can integrate with seabios to provide MBR compatibility? | Sep 14 23:49 |
| cubexyz | https://www.seabios.org/Build_overview#Build_as_a_UEFI_Compatibility_Support_Module_.28CSM.29 | Sep 14 23:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.seabios.org | Build overview - SeaBIOS | Sep 14 23:50 | |
| cubexyz | probably still a pain, never tried it | Sep 14 23:51 |
| cubexyz | even if intel drops CSM maybe AMD will do something? | Sep 14 23:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Um, it's not about processors. | Sep 14 23:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's about Tianocore and InsydeH2O | Sep 14 23:52 |
| XRevan86 | Intel owns InsydeH2O | Sep 14 23:53 |
| XRevan86 | so the alternatives are, well, AMI and Phoenix | Sep 14 23:53 |
| cubexyz | oh, I didn't realize intel wasn't using AMI anymore | Sep 14 23:53 |
| XRevan86 | which probably use Tianocore as well, but they could patch it | Sep 14 23:53 |
| XRevan86 | Hm, maybe Intel doesn't own them… | Sep 14 23:55 |
| XRevan86 | I guess I was misinformed | Sep 14 23:55 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insyde_Software nothing here | Sep 14 23:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Insyde Software - Wikipedia | Sep 14 23:55 | |
| XRevan86 | > In 2001, the two companies entered into a joint development agreement | Sep 14 23:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's up to the motherboard producer, what BIOS to use. | Sep 14 23:58 |
| XRevan86 | With Acer's you'll be InsydeH2O, with ASUS AMI, with Lenovo their own thing on Thinkpad and InsydeH2O on Ideapads | Sep 14 23:58 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18072417 | Sep 15 00:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Sep 15 00:00 | |
| cubexyz | well, there's still dosbox and qemu | Sep 15 00:03 |
| cubexyz | I still use dosbox sometimes | Sep 15 00:03 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Some say DOSBox has its limitations, but I never reached them %) | Sep 15 00:04 |
| cubexyz | well, if the dos program crashes it's better to use dosbox than booting into freedos | Sep 15 00:04 |
| cubexyz | dosbox is slower though | Sep 15 00:04 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, there's also thing wonderful thing called VirtualBox (: | Sep 15 00:05 |
| XRevan86 | almost forgot about it | Sep 15 00:05 |
| XRevan86 | and QEMU | Sep 15 00:05 |
| XRevan86 | QEMU: Run FreeDOS even on MIPS, who cares | Sep 15 00:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: DOSBox throttles because even when it's slow, it's not slow enough %) | Sep 15 00:16 |
| XRevan86 | to emulate a machine from the 80s | Sep 15 00:16 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18072511 | Sep 15 00:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I got Fedora 29 with GNOME 3.30 set up. | Sep 15 00:33 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18072553 | Sep 15 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Sep 15 00:43 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: huh? | Sep 15 00:44 |
| MinceR | "no overtaking from the right" | Sep 15 00:45 |
| cubexyz | well, in the old days I did some msdos programming | Sep 15 00:53 |
| cubexyz | even some CP/M stuff :) | Sep 15 00:54 |
| XRevan86 | Yeah, me too | Sep 15 00:54 |
| XRevan86 | the year was 2014… | Sep 15 00:54 |
| cubexyz | haha | Sep 15 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With Acer's you'll be InsydeH2O, with ASUS AMI, with Lenovo their own thing on Thinkpad and InsydeH2O on Ideapads | Sep 15 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the Yoga 900 ISK2 is an "IdeaPad", and Lenovo had modified the Insyde BIOS to not let you put the storage controller into AHCI mode. | Sep 15 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That way, it was only possible to use Windows 10. | Sep 15 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I finally managed to get them to fix it, after a bunch of negative press coverage and asking the state of Illinois to get involved. | Sep 15 00:56 |
| cubexyz | Lenovo doesn't fill me with confidence, but I _know_ that thinkcentres run linux | Sep 15 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They blew me off until the Attorney General's office contacted them to look into it. | Sep 15 00:56 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Nice work | Sep 15 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was surprised that the state actually got their consumer complaints division to open a case. | Sep 15 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, you don't even need the fix for that now. | Sep 15 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The BIOS "RAID" controller is supported by Linux, because Intel released the driver code shortly after that incident, after refusing for over a year to tell the kernel developers anything about it. | Sep 15 01:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The way I heard it, the maintainers of the storage subsystem had asked Intel about it and Intel wouldn't even reply. | Sep 15 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: What does the "RAID" controller even do? | Sep 15 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | it can't be an actual RAID, can it? | Sep 15 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, it isn't. The explanation I got was that if Windows 10 is left to make a decision about how to handle the storage controller, if it's in AHCI mode, it will go ahead and load a generic driver that has no power management policy, so the whole CPU package can never power down because the data link will always be active. :/ | Sep 15 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead of getting the info on how to implement power management from Intel and building this into Windows 10, Microsoft told OEMs to make it look like a RAID device so that Window wouldn't know what it was and would go searching for a driver, which would be the Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver, that the OEM had preinstalled. :) | Sep 15 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft then said that to comply with the Windows Sticker Program, OEMs had to lock the "optimal" settings into the BIOS so that users could never "accidentally" change them. | Sep 15 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I see Microsoft hasn't lost their enterprise touch with solving problems. | Sep 15 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which, in this context, would cause Windows 10 to BSOD, and if you did somehow get it to work, the power management wouldn't function correctly and your 10 hour battery would only run for 4 hours or so. | Sep 15 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. So, I think that Intel released the driver code and documentation because the other alternative was to let the user set AHCI mode and potentially fuck up Windows 10. | Sep 15 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The way I hear it, the special "Linux" BIOS from Lenovo was only for the 900 ISK2. | Sep 15 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The newer models don't have the AHCI mode support, but you can install Linux on them because of the driver that Intel released for the Linux kernel to handle this situation. | Sep 15 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Can't have that, the usee fooling around, messing up settings | Sep 15 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose that I could probably put my BIOS back to "RAID" mode and install Fedora on it, but there would be no point. | Sep 15 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On Linux, the power management policy for the storage controller works either way. | Sep 15 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The "RAID" mode just adds another level of complexity and it gains you absolutely nothing except the potential that there's a bug in Intel's driver that causes data loss. | Sep 15 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The driver is small, but not entirely trivial. | Sep 15 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A few hundred lines of code. | Sep 15 01:12 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: that raid mode under windows acts a lot like bcache intel not talking about it make me wonder if it minix all over again except inside that firmware. | Sep 15 01:27 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1807260 | Sep 15 01:31 |
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| cubexyz | btw, how did the linux users update the BIOS on the Yoga? | Sep 15 01:32 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Downloaded a Windows LiveCD from TPB maybe? %) | Sep 15 01:33 |
| cubexyz | or maybe they had to update the BIOS start, then put linux on | Sep 15 01:33 |
| cubexyz | yeah | Sep 15 01:33 |
| cubexyz | s/start/first/ | Sep 15 01:33 |
| MinceR | i doubt they could even buy it without a winblows license and image | Sep 15 01:34 |
| MinceR | (preloaded, i mean) | Sep 15 01:34 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure the ideapads had cd drives | Sep 15 01:35 |
| cubexyz | well, "microsoft signature edition pc" <--- you know you're in for some pain | Sep 15 01:37 |
| cubexyz | ironic that the bios update was delivered as a windows executable | Sep 15 01:47 |
| cubexyz | you might want to archive that just in case it disappears | Sep 15 01:49 |
| cubexyz | https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/ca/en/products/Laptops-and-netbooks/Yoga-Series/yoga-900-13isk2/downloads/DS119354 | Sep 15 01:50 |
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| XRevan86 | Like I'd buy that laptop. | Sep 15 02:07 |
| cubexyz | i'm all ears for any recommendations | Sep 15 02:07 |
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| MinceR | thinkpads still seem to be decent, even though the new keyboard is nowhere near as good as the old one | Sep 15 02:11 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/dUyvUiV.gifv | Sep 15 02:35 |
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| oiaohm | If only the pi had more ram https://core-electronics.com.au/pi-top-gray.html | Sep 15 02:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-core-electronics.com.au | Pi-Top (Gray) Australia | Sep 15 02:38 | |
| cubexyz | I suppose one gig of ram maximum | Sep 15 03:31 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: pi 3 is 2 gig ram but for me I need 4G for general desktop between libreoffice and multi browser tabs I am not a light memory user. | Sep 15 03:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | btw, how did the linux users update the BIOS on the Yoga? | Sep 15 09:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You downloaded the updater program and ran it on Windows, and then you could install a different OS. | Sep 15 09:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not sure the ideapads had cd drives | Sep 15 09:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't have optical storage drives. Too bulky and not many people use them. | Sep 15 09:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | i doubt they could even buy it without a winblows license and image | Sep 15 09:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have Windows branding all over the place. I put a GNOME sticker over the Windows logo under the screen on mine. | Sep 15 09:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/27/browser-maker-opera-successfully-begins-trading-on-nasdaq/ | Sep 15 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Browser maker Opera successfully begins trading on NASDAQ – TechCrunch | Sep 15 10:00 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder if there's any money to make on Opera. The usage share of their browsers have always been a rounding error on desktop, and they used to have a niche on mobile, but the market is saturated there too now. | Sep 15 10:01 |
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| oiaohm | https://lcq2.github.io/x86_iphone/ the strange stuff that turns up. | Sep 15 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-x86 finds its way into your iPhone | lcq2.github.io | Sep 15 10:29 | |
| schestowitz | [10:01] <DaemonFC[m]> I wonder if there's any money to make on Opera. The usage share of their browsers have always been a rounding error on desktop, and they used to have a niche on mobile, but the market is saturated there too now. | Sep 15 10:47 |
| schestowitz | Chinese-owned now | Sep 15 10:47 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what their business model i | Sep 15 10:47 |
| schestowitz | *is | Sep 15 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | after they got bought they added vpn | Sep 15 10:47 |
| schestowitz | maybe one like facebook's notorious vpn that apple's has since then banned (google should too) | Sep 15 10:48 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.opera.com/computer/features/free-vpn Yep you have to wonder how they can afford to do this for free without data collecting and selling the data. | Sep 15 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free VPN | Browser with built-in VPN | Download | Opera | Sep 15 10:53 | |
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| XRevan86 | oiaohm: x86? Yeah, that's pretty insane | Sep 15 11:18 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: its not 100 percent strange is the diversity argument. Since the core is arm the baseband should be something different so attack from one cpu type cannot go to other cpu type simply. Of course this does not 100 percent pass the sanity test. | Sep 15 11:38 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: But it's also x86, which is one of the crappiest architectures around | Sep 15 11:39 |
| oiaohm | x86 is not in fact the worst that they could use. | Sep 15 11:39 |
| oiaohm | at least x86 has some audit tools. | Sep 15 11:39 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: You make me scared %) | Sep 15 11:40 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: intel ME processor these days using a Intel Quark x86-based 32-bit CPU sounds bad until you work out prior to ME 11 it was using an ARCTangent-A4 | Sep 15 11:42 |
| oiaohm | ARCTangent-A4 got no concept of memory protection. | Sep 15 11:43 |
| oiaohm | All it memory is read/write and execute. | Sep 15 11:43 |
| oiaohm | So at least a Quark x86 cpu is more sane than that. | Sep 15 11:44 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: x86 is bad but really scary there is a lot worse. | Sep 15 11:44 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: question what was the prior baseband processor in prior iphones. It possible that the x86 chip make what was there look insane. | Sep 15 11:47 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: ARM, the guy talked about it | Sep 15 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Even some arm chips are insanely bad with no mmu or mpu | Sep 15 12:06 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: This is nuts | Sep 15 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | 1. I don't agree words have inherent connotations and that some people literally cannot use some words whilst others can. | Sep 15 18:09 |
| XRevan86 | 2. The us-them distinction here is disgusting. | Sep 15 18:09 |
| MinceR | indeed, people are nuts | Sep 15 18:10 |
| MinceR | which is the point | Sep 15 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayzkiNGntd0 | Sep 15 18:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Bear 1988 720p Wildlife Story 5 1 English - YouTube | Sep 15 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | great film | Sep 15 18:38 |
| schestowitz | someone posted a clip of a portion from it recently | Sep 15 18:38 |
| schestowitz | in irc IIRC | Sep 15 18:38 |
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