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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FreeBSD 12.0 Beta 4 Released, Allows NVIDIA Driver To Work With 64-bit Linux Emulation []Nov 11 00:15
DaemonFC[m]Beat me to it.Nov 11 00:34
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, Nvidia doesn't even give a shit about BSD anymore.Nov 11 00:34
XRevan86Is nvidia still a thing?Nov 11 00:35
DaemonFC[m]They had to expand their Linux binary support to get the Linux CUDA modules to work because Nvidia removed the FreeBSD support.Nov 11 00:35
XRevan86After they killed nouveau, they're dead to meNov 11 00:35
DaemonFC[m]They never really supported nouveau anyway.Nov 11 00:36
DaemonFC[m]It was a reverse engineering project that only really exposed basic card functionality in free software drivers.Nov 11 00:36
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: they killed it by forcing a driver to be signedNov 11 00:36
MinceRdidn't amd follow them though?Nov 11 00:36
XRevan86MinceR: How can they if their main official driver is FOSS?Nov 11 00:37
DaemonFC[m]AMD has a proprietary driver, but the open source one is officially supported and a real option in most use cases.Nov 11 00:37
MinceRi don't knowNov 11 00:38
DaemonFC[m]Even the AMD proprietary driver uses the open source kernel module.Nov 11 00:38
DaemonFC[m]It's really more accurately a proprietary OpenGL/Vulkan driver with some extra features for their professional cards.Nov 11 00:39
DaemonFC[m]The OpenCL support is really the main feature of the proprietary bundle. Nov 11 00:40
XRevan86As far as I am aware, no one followed Nvidia, and they're the only arseholes.Nov 11 00:40
DaemonFC[m]Most users don't need the proprietary AMD driver.Nov 11 00:41
DaemonFC[m]The performance of the open source one is even better in certain games.Nov 11 00:41
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The old FGLRX bundle was godawful.Nov 11 00:43
DaemonFC[m]The X server crashed a lot under it.Nov 11 00:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Nov 11 00:44
DaemonFC[m]Lots of rendering glitches when you were using an OpenGL compositing window manager.Nov 11 00:44
XRevan86These were the times when every GNU/Linux had an Nvidia cardNov 11 00:45
XRevan86Now tables have turnedNov 11 00:45
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, because the Nvidia blob at least didn't crash and glitch as much as FGLRX.Nov 11 00:45
DaemonFC[m]It was proprietary, but it usually ended up working.Nov 11 00:46
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: It was also better updatedNov 11 00:46
DaemonFC[m]The AMD open source driver support didn't pressure Nvidia to do the right thing.Nov 11 00:46
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DaemonFC[m]They still claim their proprietary driver is all the support you'll ever need.Nov 11 00:46
XRevan86and to make sure of that, they crippled the alternativesNov 11 00:47
DaemonFC[m]Even though it has glaring problems, like no console support and can't run XWayland.Nov 11 00:47
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: There are still problems with the framebuffer?Nov 11 00:48
DaemonFC[m]YeahNov 11 00:48
XRevan86This brings back memories :)Nov 11 00:48
XRevan86Some things just don't ever changeNov 11 00:49
XRevan86Fire, water, Putin, the Nvidia blob framebuffer supportNov 11 00:49
XRevan86Luckily, whether I care has changed.Nov 11 00:52
MinceR:>Nov 11 00:52
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oiaohmXRevan86: yes with Nvidia you still have the rare when switching from X11 to framebuffer termial or back if complete stuff up.Nov 11 01:01
oiaohmXRevan86: that proper kernel mode setting drivers no longer suffer from.Nov 11 01:02
oiaohmNvidia has made that rarer in recent years.   but it still happens.Nov 11 01:02
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: I would not say amd open source driver has not presured Nvidia.  It has but Nvidia is stubon holding out.Nov 11 01:03
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DaemonFC[m]The intel driver is okay on my laptop.Nov 11 02:06
DaemonFC[m]I'm considering switching from GNOME to KDE.Nov 11 02:06
DaemonFC[m]Tried out the Wayland session on Kubuntu 18.10.Nov 11 02:06
DaemonFC[m]It's a lot better than the KWin on X11 session.Nov 11 02:07
DaemonFC[m]The HiDPI support on KWin/X11 is horrible.Nov 11 02:07
DaemonFC[m]KWin/Wayland seems to scale things properly. Nov 11 02:07
DaemonFC[m]I'll worry about setting it up later.Nov 11 02:07
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Nov 11 09:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 4.18.18, 4.14.80, 4.9.136, 4.4.163 and 3.18.125 []Nov 11 09:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Snapdragon 2100 dev kit arrives as Fossil debuts smartwatch for new Snapdragon 3100 []Nov 11 09:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos []Nov 11 09:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: py3status, Debian LTS Work, RcppArmadillo and Programmers []Nov 11 10:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The "Microsoft Loves Linux" lie []Nov 11 10:04
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Arduino Gets a Command Line Interface []Nov 11 10:33
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Servers: Red Hat and Kubernetes []Nov 11 11:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's #tuxmachines leftovers []Nov 11 11:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 11/11/2018: Bison 3.2.1 and FreeBSD 12.0 Beta 4 []Nov 11 11:10
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 11/11/2018: #Bison 3.2.1 and #FreeBSD 12.0 Beta 4 … #techrights []Nov 11 13:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Nov 11 14:04
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #KDE Usability & Productivity, Belated Writeup About Akademy 2018 by Sandro Knauß []Nov 11 14:25
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Sourcegraph: An Open-Source Source Code Search Engine []Nov 11 14:34
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wine and Games: Wine-Staging 3.20 and Virtual Reality at Valve []Nov 11 14:40
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel and Graphics: EXT4, AMDGPU and Mesa []Nov 11 14:46
XRevan86MinceR: The formerNov 11 14:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Conversation - LoadAverageNov 11 17:30
XRevan86> gabfugeesNov 11 17:31
XRevan86ughNov 11 17:31
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schestowitzwelcome to gab, MinceRNov 11 17:43
schestowitzhe'd smile even more if it was a young boyNov 11 17:43
MinceR:)Nov 11 17:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectNov 11 18:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 7 Best free & Open source Linux Mint & Ubuntu music player []Nov 11 18:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Nov 11 18:38
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Publishing Applications via F-Droid []Nov 11 19:02
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu 19.04 Daily Builds Available to Download []Nov 11 19:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | "My cat Winter, every time I sit down."Nov 11 19:51
DaemonFC[m]Tried out Kubuntu 18.10. The Wayland support is still really glitchy. Tried the Backports PPA and still no luck.Nov 11 20:45
DaemonFC[m]Not all apps are glitchy under Wayland, but a few, like Falkon, are. Mostly menu problems.Nov 11 20:45
DaemonFC[m]And the NetworkManager support seems to be broken. Won't let you save DNS servers or anything. :/ Complains for a moment that it "failed to retrieve secrets" or something and then connects.Nov 11 20:46
DaemonFC[m]KDE isn't fairing so well these days.Nov 11 20:46
DaemonFC[m]GNOME has issues, but it's not unstable like that.Nov 11 20:47
MinceRthey're both garbageNov 11 20:54
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: There's some drug commercial that keeps playing on Hulu for Tremfya.Nov 11 20:54
DaemonFC[m]Everytime it comes on I say "Ahhh, Comtrya!" and fold my hands and bow my head.Nov 11 20:55
MinceRlolNov 11 20:56
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Is there a somewhat sane desktop environment these days?Nov 11 21:12
MinceRyeah, XFCENov 11 21:13
DaemonFC[m]How's the HiDPI support?Nov 11 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I liked XFCE when I used it, but that was way before HiDPI broke pretty much every FOSS GUI toolkit except for GTK+ 3Nov 11 21:14
DaemonFC[m]And then once they changed to that toolkit, the window managers still seemed to have trouble anyway.Nov 11 21:15
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Nov 11 21:15
DaemonFC[m]HiDPI really broke Windows too.Nov 11 21:15
DaemonFC[m]Apps that predate it simply get scaled up, poorly, by Windows.Nov 11 21:15
DaemonFC[m]They're usable, but they look very bad.Nov 11 21:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: DXVK 0.92 []Nov 11 21:16
MinceRhighest resolution screen i have is 2880x1920Nov 11 21:18
DaemonFC[m]3200x1800 for this laptop.Nov 11 21:24
MinceRthis one is a tablet :>Nov 11 21:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vegan - Album on ImgurNov 11 23:14
schestowitzvery psychotic humour...Nov 11 23:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos []Nov 11 23:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Nov 11 23:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Installing Vundle: The Plugin Manager For Vim []Nov 11 23:25
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 4.20-rc2 []Nov 12 07:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Performance Impact Of Spectre Mitigation On POWER9 []Nov 12 07:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Nov 12 07:46
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schestowitzMinceR: what's with the car?Nov 12 08:35
schestowitz*catNov 12 08:35
MinceRallegedly it was told not to go to the bathroomNov 12 08:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This artist uses jigsaw puzzles, with the same die cut pattern, to make these terrific mashups / Boing BoingNov 12 08:58
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Don't Starve, Long Dark and Hazelnut Bastille []Nov 12 09:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: C++, Clang, WebKitGTK+ []Nov 12 09:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: Fedora 29 Workstation []Nov 12 09:50
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos (mostly one-liners) []Nov 12 10:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Behind the scenes with Linux containers []Nov 12 10:42
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Nov 12 10:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers []Nov 12 10:49
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 12/11/2018: Linux 4.20 RC2, Denuvo DRM Defeated Again []Nov 12 11:01
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XRevan86 I get that a lot on the fediverse %)Nov 12 11:46
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MinceRhumans suckNov 12 13:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | nadmartin/lumina-desktop CoprNov 12 15:32
DaemonFC[m]Looks like Lumina does work on Fedora, but there aren't any packages for Fedora 29 yet and it's in a Copr.Nov 12 15:32
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I seriously doubt that Lumina will ever depend on any pieces of systemd since it's mostly meant to be used on *bsd. Nov 12 15:33
DaemonFC[m]So perhaps it's worth consideration as the default desktop for Devuan?Nov 12 15:33
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Nov 12 15:34
DaemonFC[m]Oracle ported GNOME 3.x to Solaris, but they had to implement bits of systemd to make it run properly. Nov 12 15:34
DaemonFC[m]So it can be done, but you need some systemd shims to make it portable to other *nix systems.Nov 12 15:34
MinceRsomeone would have to package itNov 12 15:34
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I still can't believe that Canonical hasn't been sued over ZFS.Nov 12 15:36
DaemonFC[m]What is Oracle waiting for? They've been very aggressive over Android.Nov 12 15:36
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DaemonFC[m]Netflix streaming used to be $6.99 a month and now it's basically double that. They get you if you want to watch on multiple screens or get higher resolutions. Nov 12 15:38
DaemonFC[m]It's up to like $13.99 to watch in Ultra HD.Nov 12 15:38
DaemonFC[m]I have a 4K TV. The UHD option looks a bit better, but I have the 1080p option because it's $10.99 and the difference isn't as noticeable as going from 480p to 1080p when you go to 2160p.Nov 12 15:39
DaemonFC[m]Blu Ray Discs still look better than Netflix 4K simply because they have access to a lot of bandwidth that Netflix doesn't. Netflix "HD" has to stream at around 5 Mbps and Blu Ray can achieve better than 50 Mbps throughput.Nov 12 15:40
DaemonFC[m]So the compression with Netflix makes it look worse than Blu Ray, even though it's technically 4K.Nov 12 15:41
DaemonFC[m]The image comes out looking, not terrible, but noticeably more dull.Nov 12 15:41
MinceRmaybe they're waiting for canonical to accumulate money :>Nov 12 15:42
r_schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: cheers for the lumina linkNov 12 16:26
r_schestowitzdidn't know it was popular outside the BSDsNov 12 16:26
r_schestowitzI use openbox still, since xmas years agoNov 12 16:26
DaemonFC[m]I'm not sure it's "popular", but this shows it at least works on GNU/Linux systems and someone could officially package it if they wanted to.Nov 12 16:27
DaemonFC[m]According to Wikipedia, in addition to avoiding dependencies on systemd, it avoids using d-bus or PolicyKit.Nov 12 16:29
DaemonFC[m]And ConsoleKit. Nov 12 16:31
DaemonFC[m]The BSD folks had been complaining about Linux-specific stuff piling up for years.Nov 12 16:31
DaemonFC[m]I guess that systemd was the last straw.Nov 12 16:31
MinceRnot depending on consolekit or elogind is a big plusNov 12 16:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 16-Way AMD EPYC Cloud Benchmark Comparison: Amazon EC2 vs. SkySilk vs. Packet []Nov 12 17:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Nov 12 17:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The #Ceph storage project gets a dedicated open-source foundation []Nov 12 17:40
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #AsciiDoc – text document format for writing []Nov 12 18:27
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat: Moving, Supercomputing and How IBM and Red Hat Will Impact Your Cloud Strategy []Nov 12 18:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latest Games for GNU/Linux []Nov 12 19:12
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Buttercup, Container Labeling, Serendipity and Security Updates []Nov 12 20:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New Part Day: A $6 Linux Computer You Might Be Able To Write Code For []Nov 12 20:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GPL Licensing: FSF Update Rules Commons Clause Non-Free, Red Hat on Compliance []Nov 12 20:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora and #NeuroFedora []Nov 12 21:00
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XRevan86poor margarine?Nov 12 22:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OpenStack vs. Cloud Foundry vs. Kubernetes: What Fits Where? []Nov 12 22:08
MinceR:)Nov 12 22:08
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Kernel : #Linux System Wrapper Library, #Microsoft Mice, and EXOFS []Nov 12 22:28
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r_schestowitzhope she gets butter soon...Nov 12 22:39
MinceR:>Nov 12 22:39
XRevan86Annushka?Nov 12 22:41
MinceRAnnikaNov 12 22:43
XRevan86though that pun doesn't work here as in English there are different words for oil and butterNov 12 22:43
XRevan86s/pun/reference/Nov 12 22:43
XRevan86"Annushka has already spilt the oil", a Master and Margarita referenceNov 12 22:45
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XRevan86MinceR: The author failed at colouringNov 12 23:28
MinceRlooks a lot like the real thingNov 12 23:29
XRevan86I can clearly see where orange ends and white begins (:Nov 12 23:29
MinceRthen again, the real thing failed at coloring tooNov 12 23:29
MinceRyeah, you can see it on the real Cheeto Hitler, at least some of the timeNov 12 23:29
MinceRlike around the eyesNov 12 23:29
XRevan86toucheNov 12 23:29
MinceRi guess they don't want DHA in the eyesNov 12 23:29
MinceRdunno how well hair tolerates itNov 12 23:30
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r_schestowitzMinceR: North America Nov 13 06:35
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r_schestowitzWhen it rains it pours... or purrs Nov 13 07:35
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r_schestowitzLOL!Nov 13 08:16
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r_schestowitzkeep on.. trucking? F*cking?Nov 13 08:28
MinceR:)Nov 13 08:35
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What you need to know about the GPL Cooperation Commitment []Nov 13 12:10
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: C language update puts backward compatibility first []Nov 13 15:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SDullien: It looks like satire, but it's obviously true: The Berlin district of #Lichtenberg is offering @Google to establis… 13 15:45
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schestowitztessier: there was a sort of ddos attack againNov 13 16:52
schestowitzrestarted service, it resumed, I saw pattern, set up blocking rulesNov 13 16:52
schestowitzI think we had a similar attack years ago, so I reused the rulesNov 13 16:53
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XRevan86MinceR: The pun doesn't really work because of the different pronunciationNov 13 19:14
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DaemonFC[m]Debian getting rid of downstream patches? Nice.Nov 13 20:00
DaemonFC[m]Red Hat and Fedora used to have a bunch of patches that were never going upstream and stopped the practice a long time ago.Nov 13 20:00
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MinceRXRevan86: foreigners often have accentsNov 13 20:08
XRevan86g'oss vs. growsNov 13 20:09
XRevan86MinceR: If someone uses "ow" for "o" in German, they're doing it wrong ;)Nov 13 20:10
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: rh prefers to take over upstream and debian is just an empty shell nowNov 13 20:10
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They tell me I'm crazy and the world is fine and all I need is enough medication that it all starts making sense. I suspect they're wrong.Nov 13 20:11
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: perhaps they mean poisonNov 13 20:11
MinceRonce we're dead, we'll probably no longer have problems with this worldNov 13 20:11
DaemonFC[m]The main reason I'm on medication is because I can't sleep without it. I lay down and immediately start having panic attacks without antipsychotic drugs to shut that down.Nov 13 20:11
DaemonFC[m]The world is unkind and messed up, to the point that I can't take it all in without drugs. Nov 13 20:12
DaemonFC[m]:/Nov 13 20:12
DaemonFC[m]They diagnosed me as a manic depressive years ago.Nov 13 20:14
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XRevan86MinceR: would that be spelt "tyesty" in the Hungarian alphabet?Nov 13 20:33
MinceRXRevan86: "tyeszty"Nov 13 20:33
schestowitz[20:14] <DaemonFC[m]> They diagnosed me as a manic depressive years ago.Nov 13 20:33
schestowitzwhat does that mean?Nov 13 20:34
XRevan86MinceR: Oh, right, "s" is not "s", I forgot that (:Nov 13 20:34
XRevan86MinceR: thanksNov 13 20:34
MinceR:)Nov 13 20:34
schestowitzBTW, we've just watched a documentary about poverty in the US againNov 13 20:34
schestowitzlast night alsoNov 13 20:34
schestowitzhorrified to see well-educated peopleNov 13 20:34
schestowitz1) depressedNov 13 20:34
schestowitz2) out of workNov 13 20:34
schestowitz3) on medication they can't affordNov 13 20:34
schestowitz4) sometimes homelessNov 13 20:35
schestowitz5) obese due to very bad dietNov 13 20:35
schestowitzwife likes watching these because it makes he feel much better about the Brexit mess situation here.... not as severeNov 13 20:35
XRevan86MinceR: did some linguistic observationsNov 13 20:35
MinceRwell-educated people are the public enemy, like they were in the eastern blocNov 13 20:35
XRevan86The Hungarian alphabet is uniquely suited :)Nov 13 20:36
schestowitzisn't that lain's domain/instance?Nov 13 20:36
XRevan86schestowitz: probablyNov 13 20:36
MinceR"show more" needed 2 clicks to workNov 13 20:37
MinceR"modern" web!Nov 13 20:37
XRevan86 or like thatNov 13 20:37
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MinceRXRevan86: interestingNov 13 20:39
MinceRsince i thought the latin/cyrillic split was over religious mattersNov 13 20:39
XRevan86MinceR: they areNov 13 20:40
XRevan86MinceR: And Cyrillic didn't initially have the same mechanisms for showing palatalisations.Nov 13 20:40
XRevan86they evolved through ligaturesNov 13 20:41
MinceRhm, actually i think i saw palatalized 't' in some west slavic language tooNov 13 20:41
XRevan86MinceR: Odd, I don't think there's oneNov 13 20:42
XRevan86IIRC, it's a common West Slavic thing to shift from palatalised "t" to "ts"Nov 13 20:43
XRevan86dumati → dumaty → dumacNov 13 20:43
MinceRi seeNov 13 20:44
MinceRwhat about south slavic ć? :>Nov 13 20:44
XRevan86Oops, I confused with Belarusian %)Nov 13 20:45
MinceRalso, when did that shift happen?Nov 13 20:45
XRevan86* → dumachNov 13 20:45
XRevan86* → dumacs :)Nov 13 20:45
MinceRalso, in the same threadNov 13 20:47
MinceRafaik matsuda was not turned into mazda because it sounded like that, but because they wanted to refer to ahura mazdaNov 13 20:47
*XRevan86 actually looked at the beginning of the threadNov 13 20:48
XRevan86> Don't believe in wiki or dictionaries. No russian ever says "Soviet" and  it's not that hard to neither spell nor pronounce "Sovet".Nov 13 20:49
XRevan86well, thing is…Nov 13 20:49
XRevan86"ie" was the common transliteration for the yat' (jaty)Nov 13 20:49
XRevan86because that's how it's represented in PolishNov 13 20:50
XRevan86so "Soviet" is the proper transliteration with history accounted forNov 13 20:50
MinceRyeah, that user had no idea what they were sayingNov 13 20:50
XRevan86> also, when did that shift happen?Nov 13 20:51
XRevan86That's a good question :)Nov 13 20:51
XRevan86I'm not even sure if it's proto-West Slavic or if they all came there later separately (possibly influenced by each other)Nov 13 20:52
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MinceRapparently IPA has /tɕ/ and /tʃ/ and i have no idea what the difference isNov 13 20:58
XRevan86MinceR: /tɕ/ is "softer" than /tʃ/Nov 13 21:01
XRevan86Russian doesn't actually have a soft/hard pair for "ч", but if it had, /tɕ/ would've been "чь"Nov 13 21:02
XRevan86and in reality "ч" in Russian is by default /tɕ/Nov 13 21:02
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XRevan86Which reminds me that Ukrainian does have a soft/hard pair for "ч" :)Nov 13 21:03
XRevan86and for "ц" tooNov 13 21:03
MinceRhow do they denote it and what is the difference in sound?Nov 13 21:04
XRevan86MinceR: "ч" for the hard one /tʃ/ and "чь" for the soft one /tɕ/Nov 13 21:05
MinceRicNov 13 21:05
XRevan86and softening vowels work as wellNov 13 21:05
XRevan86чу being /t͡su/, чю being ˈt͡ɕuNov 13 21:06
MinceRis this even "harder" than /tʃ/? >> 13 21:07
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XRevan86MinceR: This is "ш"Nov 13 21:07
MinceRoops, i mean 13 21:07
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XRevan86MinceR: I… don't know, from a Russian perspective it's something not clearly pronounced…Nov 13 21:08
MinceR:)Nov 13 21:08
XRevan86I guess it's a lite version of the hard oneNov 13 21:09
XRevan86MinceR: In the example the second time the guy says it it's kinda like a regular "t"Nov 13 21:11
MinceRlolNov 13 21:11
XRevan86cha a-taNov 13 21:11
XRevan86So yeah, I failed at sound recognition miserably :)Nov 13 21:12
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XRevan86Now after some time I hear it properly.Nov 13 21:23
XRevan86Brain, what a buggy thing.Nov 13 21:24
XRevan86MinceR: Do you have a sound example for t͡s? :)Nov 13 21:25
XRevan86oops, /tʃ/Nov 13 21:25
MinceRallegedly /tʃ/ is 'c' in hungarianNov 13 21:26
XRevan86> чу being /t͡su/Nov 13 21:26
XRevan86I meant /tʃ/ here, I guess I miscopiedNov 13 21:26
XRevan86MinceR: "cs"Nov 13 21:27
MinceRrightNov 13 21:28
MinceRi double-checked and i still messed it upNov 13 21:28
XRevan86MinceR: Welcome to the club :)Nov 13 21:28
XRevan86MinceR: I've checked some Finno-Ugric language alphabetsNov 13 21:33
XRevan86MinceR: 13 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mansi language - WikipediaNov 13 21:34
XRevan86> Phonology: /tʲ/Nov 13 21:34
XRevan86check this out :)Nov 13 21:34
MinceRi see itNov 13 21:35
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XRevan86So it could be a common traitNov 13 21:37
XRevan86or an independent loan from Russian, who knowsNov 13 21:37
XRevan86I wonder *how* different are Hungarian and MansiNov 13 21:44
XRevan86hah, the Russian article on Mansi has numerals in Mansi and Hungarian for comparisonNov 13 21:45
MinceRsounds pretty alienNov 13 21:46
XRevan863: hurum / háromNov 13 21:46
MinceR 13 21:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mansi language - WikipediaNov 13 21:46
XRevan86differe considerablyNov 13 21:46
XRevan86* differNov 13 21:46
XRevan86For instance, in every Slavic language "two" is "dva"Nov 13 21:48
XRevan86so I guess here the differ is much bigger than between any two Slavic languageNov 13 21:48
XRevan86* the differenceNov 13 21:48
XRevan86* languagesNov 13 21:49
MinceRthis seems to be most intelligible: Lú lásal mini tó szélenNov 13 21:49
MinceReven that's stranger than some ancient hungarian text i was taught aboutNov 13 21:49
MinceRstill, it's closer to hungarian than finnish and estonian are to hungarian :>Nov 13 21:50
XRevan86 this look closerNov 13 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Khanty language - WikipediaNov 13 21:51
XRevan86MinceR: No brainer, these two languages are way closer to Hungarian on a "family" tree :)Nov 13 21:53
MinceRno example sentences for khanty :(Nov 13 21:54
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XRevan86in their alphabetNov 13 21:57
XRevan86Let's see if I can transliterate the title "Вәнтӑң, орӑң ешӑк мўвев" :)Nov 13 21:57
MinceRit even has a letter the font doesn't haveNov 13 21:58
MinceR(and probably no fallbacks either)Nov 13 21:58
XRevan86the second word begins with this sound: 13 22:01
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XRevan86I give upNov 13 22:01
XRevan86this sound apparently has something to do with "l", but it sounds like "ш"Nov 13 22:02
XRevan86 it's beautifulNov 13 22:04
XRevan86 and here it sounds like thisNov 13 22:05
XRevan86consistency muchNov 13 22:05
XRevan86like /x/ kind ofNov 13 22:05
XRevan86MinceR: 13 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hungarian vs. Khanty | daily magyarNov 13 22:07
MinceR:)Nov 13 22:10
XRevan86In this comparison for my uneducated eye Finnish looks closer %)Nov 13 22:12
MinceRmansi still seems closer to me but it's probably not definitiveNov 13 22:12
XRevan86 and I figured it's from Slavic "u gor" → "ugorskij" (adj., near mountains)Nov 13 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Hungarian Language: Magyar nyelv - YouTubeNov 13 22:15
MinceR:)Nov 13 22:16
XRevan86but coincidences in languages happen :)Nov 13 22:16
MinceRhm, you're right, the finnish example in #3 sounds very close to hungarianNov 13 22:20
MinceRmaybe it was picked for that :>Nov 13 22:21
XRevan86MinceR: Quite possible :)Nov 13 22:21
XRevan86cherry-picking can do wondersNov 13 22:21
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XRevan86ña, electric hazardNov 13 22:43
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XRevan86kaniini: have you seen this gem?Nov 14 00:18
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XRevan86kaniini: Between the lines of stellar competence, the thread does raise a valid question: what licence is appropriate for content, remote and local? How does Pleroma approach this?Nov 14 00:20
XRevan86And yeah,, the Mastodon data mining website, founded 4 years before Mastodon ever existed (:Nov 14 00:23
XRevan86thinking ahead at its bestNov 14 00:24
XRevan86Oh, someone already commented there something reasonable.Nov 14 00:29
XRevan86kaniini: never mindNov 14 00:29
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cubexyzhome tv programmer:Nov 14 02:07
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DaemonFC[m]I got the Flathub repo imported into GNOME Software and then I installed Total Chaos. Haven't played it yet.Nov 14 04:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I was reading a story about a person in the US several decades ago who was put in a state psychiatric hospital and diagnosed with schizophrenia and given antipsychotic medication.Nov 14 04:49
DaemonFC[m]They later found out that he was Hungarian and didn't know English.Nov 14 04:50
cubexyzgood griefNov 14 04:51
cubexyzthe antipsychotic drugs are a bit of a crapshoot from what I understandNov 14 04:52
DaemonFC[m]I'm on one, and an anti-epileptic drug.Nov 14 04:53
DaemonFC[m]Both for bipolar disorder.Nov 14 04:53
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Quetiapine (Seroquel) and Divalproex Sodium ER (Depakote ER).Nov 14 04:54
DaemonFC[m]In the last month I came down on the dosages though.Nov 14 04:54
DaemonFC[m]They had me on 400 mg Quetiapine XR and 1,500 mg Divalproex ER and now I'm on 100 mg Quetiapine immediate release and 1,000 mg of Divalproex ER.Nov 14 04:55
DaemonFC[m]The high dosages kind of mess you up.Nov 14 04:55
DaemonFC[m]The side effects have been far less extreme since the switch.Nov 14 04:55
DaemonFC[m]atypical antipsychotics were supposed to be these breakthrough miracle drugs that got rid of some of the horrific side effect profile of the older "typicals", but after the US healthcare system basically threw away $50 billion on them, we found out that they aren't really a whole lot better.Nov 14 04:57
DaemonFC[m]The drug companies took us for a ride.Nov 14 04:57
cubexyzit feels like they are guessing to meNov 14 04:57
cubexyzblock this receptor, block that receptor, etcNov 14 04:57
cubexyzperhaps they work in some cases but after reading some of the literature...Nov 14 04:58
DaemonFC[m]To an extent they are, but I am functioning better than I was without them.Nov 14 04:58
cubexyzok, well that's importantNov 14 04:59
DaemonFC[m]I spent more time in severe depression, suicidal even at times.Nov 14 04:59
DaemonFC[m]But mania and mixed episodes too. Sometimes I wouldn't even sleep for several days.Nov 14 05:00
DaemonFC[m]Like, closer to a week than a few days.Nov 14 05:00
cubexyzsome programmers I knew would abuse stimulantsNov 14 05:00
cubexyzso they could work longerNov 14 05:00
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, like they'd buy someone's ADHD drugs and take them?Nov 14 05:01
cubexyzha... no, not in that caseNov 14 05:01
cubexyzit was much more prosaicNov 14 05:02
cubexyzhe drank about a gallon of coke every dayNov 14 05:02
cubexyzended up in the hospitalNov 14 05:02
DaemonFC[m]I've used quite a bit of caffeine before without ending up in the hospital.Nov 14 05:03
DaemonFC[m]Way more than I should have.Nov 14 05:03
cubexyzhe would drink two 2 litre bottles per dayNov 14 05:03
cubexyzyeah I've heard of cases of cardiac arrest from too much coca-colaNov 14 05:05
cubexyzit was a kind of OCD almostNov 14 05:05
cubexyzI can't think of any reason for itNov 14 05:05
cubexyzoh and hypokalemia is a definite possiblityNov 14 05:07
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DaemonFC[m]Sudden heart failure can happen due to Quetiapine. Nov 14 05:23
DaemonFC[m]It's a risk I take because I feel I'm a bigger threat to myself than the medication is.Nov 14 05:23
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schestowitzMinceR: is it not spelled hooman?Nov 14 16:22
MinceR:)Nov 14 16:22
MinceRcats are smart enough to spell it correctlyNov 14 16:23
schestowitzunlike stupid dh00mansNov 14 16:26
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DaemonFC[m]I've heard that the average IQ is supposedly 100, but even if that's true, it's only an average. Statistically, it could mean that about half of people are lower than that.Nov 14 16:29
DaemonFC[m]In reality, things are worse. You have a few REALLY smart people, some people that are not brilliant, but are significantly higher than average, and then a lot of really dumb people. This is my observation.Nov 14 16:30
DaemonFC[m]A comedian (can't remember who) put it into an analogy when he was discussing religion.Nov 14 16:30
DaemonFC[m]He said that the progress of humanity is like everyone being on a train, and in the first car you have scientists and engineers, and they're pretty much all atheists, and then in the second car you have some agnostics who are like "Well, man, who knows? Like, there could be a God. Maybe there isn't. We can't know for sure.", and then in the back there are people wearing hats, they don't know why, and dancing aroundNov 14 16:33
DaemonFC[m]going "Man in the sky! Man in the sky!" and killing people for all sorts of ridiculous reasons and passing crazy laws.Nov 14 16:33
DaemonFC[m]And those people outnumber the first two cards 10-1 and they're slowing the train down to a crawl, and the people in the first two cars are going. "If we could just pull this pin and let those people fend for themselves.....".Nov 14 16:34
DaemonFC[m]*carsNov 14 16:34
DaemonFC[m]I think that the really crazy religions appeal to people of a low IQ who aren't quite retarded.Nov 14 16:35
DaemonFC[m]They're smart enough, barely, to realize that they aren't very smart, so they turn to religion to try to validate themselves and pretend like nobody needs science anyway, but then of course their homes have electric and gas, and they have appliances and cars and medicine to make them live longer, better lives, and they're not starving because science gave us better crops that result in cheaper food that people workingNov 14 16:37
DaemonFC[m]low wage jobs can buy.Nov 14 16:37
DaemonFC[m]So, it's the only thing keeping them alive and relatively comfortable, but they won't ever admit it.Nov 14 16:37
DaemonFC[m]There are a lot of these fuckers floating around the Midwest. About the only place to get away from them is Chicago. Unfortunately, Chicago is violent and we have other problems.Nov 14 16:38
DaemonFC[m]Filth. Homeless people shooting up on the trains. Carjackings.....Nov 14 16:39
DaemonFC[m]Some of the worst social problems that exist anywhere in America are in the big cities, where self-proclaimed liberals put Democrats into complete control of the government. Nov 14 16:40
DaemonFC[m]They say there's programs, but there aren't really programs, you know? They just sort of let whatever happens happen. The law is widely ignored here. It's not a great place to live.Nov 14 16:40
DaemonFC[m]It's actually "flyover country" that put in programs because they don't want homelessness and crime. Nov 14 16:41
DaemonFC[m]People laugh at rural Indiana, but you'll never see a homeless person in your whole entire life until you go to a major city.Nov 14 16:42
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SopaXorzTakerROFL: "OpenVMS is a closed-source, proprietary computer operating system for use in general-purpose computing."Nov 14 16:44
MinceRs/general-purpose computing/masochism/Nov 14 16:44
MinceRFTFYNov 14 16:44
SopaXorzTaker>> "Open" in "OpenVMS" == TrueNov 14 16:45
SopaXorzTaker>> It's fucking closedNov 14 16:45
SopaXorzTaker>> mind blownNov 14 16:45
MinceRtruly the pioneers of openwashingNov 14 16:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Meet TASBot, a Linux-Powered Robot Playing Video Games for Charity []Nov 14 16:47
DaemonFC[m]Windows NT is heavily influenced (to the point of being a stolen product) by VMS.Nov 14 16:48
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft scalped the people who did VMS and had them re-create it from memory, to the point where they settled the Digital lawsuit for a lot of money to keep it away from a jury.Nov 14 16:49
MinceRand it sucks even more than VMSNov 14 16:49
DaemonFC[m]Windows NT being a stolen product was an open and shut case, but Microsoft funded the SCO lawsuit that accused Linux of being a stolen product that is apparently still going on... :/Nov 14 16:50
DaemonFC[m]What is there left to rule on? They found a few header files that were deemed non-copyrightable that were "similar" and then ruled that SCO didn't even own the UNIX code that was allegedly infringed upon.Nov 14 16:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Trying #DragonFlyBSD & #FreeBSD On The Intel Core i9 9900K With ASUS PRIME Z390-A []Nov 14 16:51
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft and Digital had more than one run in.Nov 14 16:51
DaemonFC[m]The AARD code was supposed to run DR-DOS out of the market.Nov 14 16:51
DaemonFC[m]And then Microsoft accomplished that by rolling Windows and MS-DOS into the same product with Windows 95.Nov 14 16:52
DaemonFC[m]Effectively, their strategy with that was if you wanted Windows 95, you had to buy MS-DOS at the same time, because it was bundled, and wouldn't work on anything else anyway.Nov 14 16:53
DaemonFC[m]The Internet Explorer "integration" just used the same strategy. Nov 14 16:53
DaemonFC[m]It was, in fact, pretty easy to remove IE from Windows 98, as was demonstrated in court. Nov 14 16:53
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft maintained that it resulted in a "broken operating system" because a few programs that embedded Trident would no longer work.Nov 14 16:54
DaemonFC[m]But as long as you didn't need those few programs, everything worked fine.Nov 14 16:54
DaemonFC[m]Very nearly all of those programs were Microsoft programs, like Outlook.Nov 14 16:55
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Nov 14 16:55
DaemonFC[m]HTML in email is a continuing nuisance, but it was promoted heavily by Microsoft in the 90s, and that's why.Nov 14 16:55
DaemonFC[m]A lot of markup and styling junk, web beacons, embedded images that are huge, ugly fonts. All thanks to Microsoft.Nov 14 16:56
DaemonFC[m]Now instead of a few KB, many emails I get are nearly all images and can't be read at all with a simple mail client, and you have to click "load remote images" to see anything but a bunch of empty boxes and some tags. Nov 14 16:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 4.19.2, 4.18.19, 4.14.81, and 4.9.137 []Nov 14 16:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top 20 Best Tizen Apps for October 2018 []Nov 14 17:02
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The people upstairs are really loud, so I had to start wearing earplugs at night.Nov 14 17:03
schestowitzMinceR:  :-( cruelNov 14 17:04
DaemonFC[m]So I started slamming the front doors as hard as I can on the way in and out during the day.Nov 14 17:04
DaemonFC[m]The baby wakes up and starts crying.Nov 14 17:04
DaemonFC[m]If I can't get a nap in, they aren't going to either....Nov 14 17:04
MinceRschestowitz: no, their miseries end before thatNov 14 17:05
DaemonFC[m]I never really did understand how a completely closed and proprietary OS could be called "Open" anything.Nov 14 17:06
DaemonFC[m]And as far as I know, there aren't any open source operating systems that have attempted to clone VMS.Nov 14 17:06
DaemonFC[m]Mainly because there's no point. You clone an OS so that you have compatibility with a bunch of programs that existed for the OS you're copying. Nov 14 17:07
DaemonFC[m]So I can see the rationale for ReactOS. It'll never be a drop in replacement for Windows, but the project has been going for a long time.Nov 14 17:08
MinceRReactOS clones a version of VMS :>Nov 14 17:08
DaemonFC[m]They're still just trying to catch up to Windows 2003 SP2, in 2018.Nov 14 17:08
MinceRi'd say it's a very good clone of windows, seeing how often it crashesNov 14 17:08
DaemonFC[m]That's the Windows version number it reports, anyway.Nov 14 17:08
MinceRi wonder how well they're matching the vulnerabilities and backdoors thoughNov 14 17:08
DaemonFC[m]I understand that it supports some of the API that was added later on, including some of the Vista driver model.Nov 14 17:09
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I'd imagine that an open source Windows clone would be more secure. Nov 14 17:09
MinceRbut then it wouldn't be a particularly good clone, would it?Nov 14 17:10
DaemonFC[m]But that can't be too difficult just seeing all of the vulnerabilities that Windows continues to get patches for every month.Nov 14 17:10
DaemonFC[m]Oh, I doubt that ReactOS is deliberately backdoored. Nov 14 17:10
DaemonFC[m]So there's that.Nov 14 17:11
DaemonFC[m]Windows certainly is. It's obvious that it sends a ton of data to Microsoft even if you only glance at the setup options.Nov 14 17:11
MinceRbad news for the folks who want to run an OS that crashes frequently and is backdooredNov 14 17:11
MinceRmaybe they'll have to shell out for windows :(Nov 14 17:11
MinceRor maybe they could just try fedoraNov 14 17:12
MinceRor some other version of the GNOME OSNov 14 17:12
DaemonFC[m]But toggling all those options to "off" doesn't really disable much of the communication from Windows back to Microsoft.Nov 14 17:12
MinceRonly airgapping doesNov 14 17:12
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Fedora has "automatic problem reports" and other things, but you can toggle them to off during the initial setup.Nov 14 17:13
DaemonFC[m]I don't believe that I want program crashes being sent to the ABRT server automatically in the background.Nov 14 17:13
DaemonFC[m]You can't be sure that there isn't some sensitive information in those crash dumps. Nov 14 17:13
MinceRi can be sureNov 14 17:14
DaemonFC[m]They slip ABRT into all of the spins.Nov 14 17:14
MinceRsince it would be a mistake to allow windows or systemd/Kroah-Hartmanux handle sensitive information in the first placeNov 14 17:14
DaemonFC[m]You can remove it....Nov 14 17:14
DaemonFC[m]Kevin Kofler was komplaining that the KDE spin had it and so whenever some KDE komponent krashed, the bug report was being sent to Fedora, not KDE, and then nobody ever read it and it got klosed EOL eventually. Nov 14 17:15
MinceRlolNov 14 17:16
DaemonFC[m]The korrekt KDE behavior is to send krash dumps to Dr. Konqi.Nov 14 17:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Updates, Pwn2Own Tokyo and Spyware []Nov 14 17:17
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, ABRT is sending GNOME crashes to Red Hat Bugzilla, and even though someone will look at them, the response is usually "Can you copy and past this to GNOME's Gitlab Issues for that component?".Nov 14 17:18
MinceRmaybe they should send krash dumps to willy heidinger insteadNov 14 17:18
DaemonFC[m]It raises the question of why is there an ABRT in the first place if 99% of the crash reports should be going upstream and are not packaging bugs in Fedora?Nov 14 17:18
DaemonFC[m]ABRT is putting the crash dumps for what are very nearly always third party programs into Red Hat Bugzilla where nobody will ever see them.Nov 14 17:19
MinceRor maybe to thomas j. watsonNov 14 17:20
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Well, I have pasted ABRT bug posts to GNOME Issues or elsewhere and the problem was fixed upstream.Nov 14 17:20
DaemonFC[m]But it's not exactly "automated" bug reporting at this point.Nov 14 17:20
MinceRit raises the question of why is there even a bugtracker when they're running on the CADT development model anywayNov 14 17:20
DaemonFC[m]I had to go out of my way to create bug reporting accounts at several different places and then copy/paste everything over.Nov 14 17:21
MinceRonly to see your tickets get closed automatically because they're rewriting or replacing that piece of software? :>Nov 14 17:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers []Nov 14 17:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 14/11/2018: KDevelop 5.3, Omarine 5.3, Canonical Not for Sale []Nov 14 17:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Evaluating Tech ThingsNov 14 17:44
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: During April/May of this year, I set out to find as many crash issues in GNOME Web and WebkitGTK as I could.Nov 14 18:29
DaemonFC[m]I found and reported nearly a dozen of them that all got fixed. Nov 14 18:29
DaemonFC[m]Some in Web itself and others in Webkit.Nov 14 18:29
DaemonFC[m]It was hard to provide a good backtrace in many of them because gdb is so awful.Nov 14 18:30
DaemonFC[m]It's quite common lately to encounter a point where gdb itself crashes and offers to analyze that crash.Nov 14 18:30
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of shocking how Webkit manages to crash so much on popular websites.Nov 14 18:45
DaemonFC[m]You'd think if it was going to be tested anywhere, it would be there.Nov 14 18:45
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: But instead it's tested on and 14 18:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-15 Months In Prison In Chicago's First Cryptocurrency Conviction | Chicago, IL PatchNov 14 18:52
DaemonFC[m]Bitcoin gains most of its hype because it ticks the same boxes as gold and silver for anti-government libertarian types.Nov 14 18:52
DaemonFC[m]The various Libertarian office holders in the US are mostly occupying unimportant and obscure government offices that they argue should not exist.Nov 14 18:53
DaemonFC[m]We have several of them that are holding office in Illinois that have jurisdiction over paving a couple miles of county road somewhere and they make a fucking fortune holding that office, and they aren't working to get it dissolved and merged. Nov 14 18:54
DaemonFC[m]Things like that.Nov 14 18:54
DaemonFC[m]You get your own little fiefdom and you want to hold onto it. Which is why the Libertarian Party is a total joke. If they actually fought to have less government overhead, many of the offices they do hold would not exist.Nov 14 18:55
schestowitzthey still block the EU :-)Nov 14 18:59
DaemonFC[m]The EU is kind of a failure, really. Nov 14 19:01
DaemonFC[m]Bureaucratic and dysfunctional. Nov 14 19:01
DaemonFC[m]Everyone wants to go to the party and nobody wants to buy the beer is how I'd put it.Nov 14 19:01
MinceRindeedNov 14 19:02
DaemonFC[m]You can't have a system where everyone gets more than they put into it, and the UK has been one of the worst offenders.Nov 14 19:02
DaemonFC[m]And maybe the EU will be better without them.Nov 14 19:02
MinceRunfortunately, most of those who want to have their country leave the EU want it because they want to fuck its citizens even harder than the EU does or allowsNov 14 19:02
DaemonFC[m]The EU doesn't really have an enforcement mechanism for most of its decisions, so it looks the other way about stuff like this.Nov 14 19:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@thegrugq: @miaubiz Thank you, thank you. I couldn’t have done it without your support, and the support of all the others who… 14 19:03
DaemonFC[m]In that way, it more closely resembles the United States under the Articles of Confederation.Nov 14 19:03
DaemonFC[m]The states all do what they want and the federal government can't even manage the national currency or fiscal policies. Nov 14 19:04
MinceRdid the USA give handouts to the governors of their most benighted states to help them oppress their people?Nov 14 19:04
DaemonFC[m]The first US Dollar failed because all the federal government could do was ask states for the money it needed to operate.Nov 14 19:04
DaemonFC[m]When it didn't get anything, it resorted to printing more money.Nov 14 19:05
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Pretty much every law Congress passes gives money to some district/state of some Congressman/Senator who was on the fence to buy their vote.Nov 14 19:06
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: When the Affordable Care Act was in the Senate, they bought Ben Nelson's (Nebraska) vote by promising his state way more money for Medicaid than any other state got from the ACA Medicaid expansion funding formula. Nov 14 19:06
DaemonFC[m]It got dubbed the Cornhusker's Kickback. Nov 14 19:07
DaemonFC[m]The House/Senate conference committee deleted it though, and by that time the news had caught on and embarrassed Nelson, so he voted for the final bill, without it, when it came back to the Senate.Nov 14 19:07
DaemonFC[m]But that's just one of millions of examples.Nov 14 19:08
DaemonFC[m]When we go to pass a military budget for the year, you'll see riders all over it.Nov 14 19:09
DaemonFC[m]Big and small, but some other egregious examples were the Big Dig in Boston, the Road to Nowhere and the Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska, and so on.Nov 14 19:09
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Alaska got the money for the road, but not the bridge.Nov 14 19:10
XRevan86 did someone say bridge?Nov 14 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Владивосток - парни прикинулись автобусом, чтобы пройти по Золотому мосту - YouTubeNov 14 19:10
DaemonFC[m]So there literally is a 3 mile segment of highway in Alaska that goes nowhere and loops back around that was paid for with an appropriations rider from the federal government.Nov 14 19:11
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: 14 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The bridge failed, but the 'Road to Nowhere' was built - CNN.comNov 14 19:11
DaemonFC[m]The US actually has a lot of decommissioned or canceled highways that were never completed. Nov 14 19:12
DaemonFC[m] 14 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | List of unused highways in the United States - WikipediaNov 14 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Nobody in Indiana really wanted the I-69 expansion or the state spending on it.Nov 14 19:14
SopaXorzTakerXRevan86, dafuq?Nov 14 19:15
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans pushed it through and made us pay for it because businesses wanted it for NAFTA. Not only were taxpayers forced to fund something that made it easier to send their jobs to Canada and Mexico, a lot of people had their land taken away with eminent domain.Nov 14 19:15
XRevan86SopaXorzTaker: They tried to cross a bridge off-limits for pedestriansNov 14 19:15
XRevan86in a bus disguiseNov 14 19:16
SopaXorzTakerThat sounds like a stupid idea.Nov 14 19:17
XRevan86the guard didn't appreciate it eitherNov 14 19:17
SopaXorzTakerSo how did it end? (don't want to watch any YouTube right now :)Nov 14 19:17
XRevan86he saw right through the disguiseNov 14 19:18
XRevan86SopaXorzTaker: A guard stopped the fake bus and made it go back on the sidewayNov 14 19:18
DaemonFC[m]Fake bus?Nov 14 19:22
XRevan86Well, the Flintstones won't consider it fakeNov 14 19:24
gde33the end is ney 14 19:27
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MinceRDaemonFC[m]: ah, then it really is a lot like the EUNov 14 19:34
MinceRthe end is neigh?Nov 14 19:35
MinceRXRevan86: how difficult was it to cross the body of water without that bridge, on foot?Nov 14 19:36
XRevan86MinceR: unknownNov 14 19:36
XRevan86 it happened hereNov 14 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Zolotoy Rog - WikipediaNov 14 19:37
XRevan86+ 14 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Zolotoy Bridge - WikipediaNov 14 19:38
MinceRahNov 14 19:38
MinceRyeah, it's pretty fucktarded to not arrange for pedestrian traffic thereNov 14 19:38
MinceR 14 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google MapsNov 14 19:39
XRevan86About 7km of walkingNov 14 19:41
XRevan86to get from one side of the bridge to anotherNov 14 19:42
MinceR 14 19:53
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Variscite unveils its first i.MX8X module []Nov 14 19:56
DaemonFC[m]DaemonFC: ah, then it really is a lot like the EUNov 14 20:02
DaemonFC[m]Well, pork spending is a nuisance. It puts federal taxpayers on the hook for many billions of dollars of projects that benefit a local concern somewhere. Nov 14 20:02
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, that's how they get re-elected. They come back to the district and they better be able to show everyone how much federal money they got.Nov 14 20:03
DaemonFC[m]The federal government should be concerned with national issues, like defense, Social Security, environmental protection, national labor and occupational health standards, and so on.Nov 14 20:04
DaemonFC[m]Unfortunately, neither party is a party of fiscally responsible government. Nov 14 20:05
DaemonFC[m]It's like their main point of contention is which particular iceberg to steer the ship of state into.Nov 14 20:05
DaemonFC[m]The Interstate Commerce Clause started out as a relatively obscure part of the constitution that nobody paid much attention to, but expansive definition of what constituted interstate commerce by the courts means that the federal government can regulate almost anything that it can claim affects interstate commerce in any way.Nov 14 20:07
MinceR 14 20:07
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The way Social Security works is truly awful.Nov 14 20:08
DaemonFC[m]Many people pay in over the course of their lives and then don't even break even, or get nothing at all.Nov 14 20:08
DaemonFC[m]None of the money that comes out of your paycheck belongs to you anymore.Nov 14 20:08
schestowitz[19:39] <MinceR> 14 20:09
schestowitzcrashes myNov 14 20:09
schestowitzcrashes my browserNov 14 20:09
schestowitzwhat does it point it?Nov 14 20:09
schestowitz*atNov 14 20:09
DaemonFC[m]It's all, theoretically, in one giant "social insurance" pot that covers everyone who reaches old age, becomes disabled, is a survivor of a beneficiary, or can get death benefits from someone else. Nov 14 20:09
DaemonFC[m]But the Supreme Court struck down a railroad retirement system that predates Social Security and the current Railroad Retirement Board system.Nov 14 20:10
DaemonFC[m]So Congress and FDR constructed the current Social Security as two parts. Title I is just a payroll tax that isn't actually earmarked to go anywhere and Title II is technically a giant welfare program.Nov 14 20:10
DaemonFC[m]The money that gets pulled in from Title I is supposed to offset and fund the benefits in Title II, but the problem is that from the onset, the first people claiming Social Security never paid much into it.Nov 14 20:11
DaemonFC[m]The first woman to claim Social Security paid like four bucks into the tax system and then drew a benefits check every month for nearly 40 years before she died.Nov 14 20:12
DaemonFC[m]Also, Congress added a Cost of Living Adjustment, which is great. Nobody should have to live for 40 years on a non-inflation adjusted income....except that the tax structure wasn't updated to reflect the COLA. Nov 14 20:13
DaemonFC[m]And Congress left loopholes that let people get more money than they were supposed to open for abuse for decades, like File and Suspend.Nov 14 20:13
MinceR14 210931 <+schestowitz> what does it point it?Nov 14 20:14
MinceRzolotoy bridgeNov 14 20:14
DaemonFC[m]There's just a lot of problems with how Social Security is funded, how benefits are determined, actuarial tables, etc. So it's a house of cards at this point.Nov 14 20:14
DaemonFC[m]Fixing it would require raising payroll taxes, a lot, and Congress won't do it. Nov 14 20:15
DaemonFC[m]Or lowering benefits in about 12 or 13 years, by 22%, which will cause people to scream.Nov 14 20:15
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DaemonFC[m]There's really no "fair" way to fix Social Security.Nov 14 20:16
DaemonFC[m]It's all going to take from someone and give to someone else. Probably the best way to fix it would be to either raise the taxable income cap and/or charge a higher payroll tax rate to higher earners.Nov 14 20:17
DaemonFC[m]It's way too late for "individual accounts" to solve this problem. Nov 14 20:17
DaemonFC[m]The US economy is pretty much finished growing.Nov 14 20:18
DaemonFC[m]The only thing left is a lot of government debt.Nov 14 20:18
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Does Hungaristan run a pea and shell game like this?Nov 14 20:20
MinceRnot sureNov 14 20:20
MinceRcan't really, since there are no free elections anymoreNov 14 20:20
MinceRso it's just fidesz/kdnp taking and giving to croniesNov 14 20:20
DaemonFC[m]Holy shit...Nov 14 20:21
DaemonFC[m]Says here in Hungary the employer tax is 19.5% of your salary and yours is 18.5%?Nov 14 20:21
MinceRdunnoNov 14 20:21
DaemonFC[m]The whole thing in the US is 12.8, but that's split evenly.Nov 14 20:21
MinceRthere are all sorts of screwage going onNov 14 20:21
DaemonFC[m]But that's not counting Medicare taxes.Nov 14 20:22
MinceRVAT is 27.5%Nov 14 20:22
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: We don't have a VAT tax, but Trump keeps imposing tariffs on everything.Nov 14 20:22
DaemonFC[m]He'll kill the economy sooner or later. Probably sooner.Nov 14 20:22
DaemonFC[m]Tariffs don't punish China. They punish Americans and the money goes straight to the government.Nov 14 20:23
DaemonFC[m]So this is one of the biggest tax increases on American citizens in history.Nov 14 20:23
DaemonFC[m]Republican presidents have a long history of cutting taxes, and then they raise other taxes quietly while nobody is looking.Nov 14 20:24
DaemonFC[m]Reagan signed a huge tax cut followed by a huge tax increase, and then nobody remembers the increase. :)Nov 14 20:24
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DaemonFC[m]there are all sorts of screwage going onNov 14 20:26
DaemonFC[m]Seems like the universal constant of politics is making lots of promises that you know you can't keep.Nov 14 20:26
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: One thing I've noticed that I can't quite figure out is why drug stores give you a huge discount for filling 90 days worth of medication at once.Nov 14 20:29
DaemonFC[m]You get 90 days for about what it would cost you for 60 days worth if you had gotten three fills with 30 days worth each.Nov 14 20:29
DaemonFC[m]Even more puzzling, my insurance charges me the same for generics whether I get 90 or 30.Nov 14 20:30
DaemonFC[m]The US health care system is bizarre.Nov 14 20:30
DaemonFC[m]Every time I fill my meds, there's some insane "cash price" on them, yet if you go through a Pharmacy Benefit Manager like GoodRX, that cash price of $500 is $18 all of a sudden.Nov 14 20:31
DaemonFC[m]So everyone is using this GoodRX app because you'd have to be insane to go in there and pay $500 for that. Nov 14 20:31
DaemonFC[m]But people seem to fall for it.Nov 14 20:32
DaemonFC[m]I read an article about a woman whose husband needed some generic meds for Alzheimer's Disease, and she went to Walgreens and paid $200 to fill 30 pills.Nov 14 20:32
DaemonFC[m]Later finding out that Costco would have filled it for $14. Nov 14 20:32
DaemonFC[m]If you go in there without insurance, you're fucked. So everyone who can't afford insurance is using GoodRX to get a "discount".Nov 14 20:33
DaemonFC[m]Problem is, GoodRX is a middleman who gets "commissions" for steering customers to certain drug stores, so overall, it's making the prescription drug system shittier and more expensive, like other PBMs do.Nov 14 20:34
DaemonFC[m]There's talk in Washington, DC, of making PBMs illegal. Nov 14 20:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Server Buzzwords: 'Cloudwashing', OpenStack and 'Serverless' []Nov 14 20:35
DaemonFC[m]They figure that if PBMs go away, the cash prices are going to come way down, but who knows?Nov 14 20:35
DaemonFC[m]There's lots of these "drug discount cards" floating around all of a sudden, but the best prices seem to only happen if you use the GoodRX website/app and use a custom code for whatever pharmacy ends up having the cheapest listed price. Nov 14 20:37
DaemonFC[m]Mom uses GoodRX because she has no prescription coverage, and she says her biggest complaint is that the prices listed in the app for each store are occasionally wrong, sometimes very wrong.Nov 14 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Like, one time it said it would be $17 and it turned out to be $80.Nov 14 20:38
DaemonFC[m]It's a huge mess, because the RxBIN and RxPCN numbers for each drug and each store are different, so you can't just write them down on a card and go into the store and get the best price. Nov 14 20:39
DaemonFC[m]So you more or less have to use proprietary software if you don't have prescription drug insurance in the US.Nov 14 20:39
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XRevan86 Windows 10 InsiderNov 14 21:39
XRevan86KDE stole its design, went back in time and released KDE Breeze in 2014Nov 14 21:39
MinceRwow, they really could make it uglierNov 14 21:40
XRevan86MinceR: I cannot tell the difference in vomit inductionNov 14 21:41
MinceRwhat about vomit deduction?Nov 14 21:42
XRevan86this quality Шindows never possessedNov 14 21:46
MinceR:)Nov 14 21:49
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oiaohmXRevan86: the time line has KDE prototype designs before the Microsoft ones.Nov 14 22:08
XRevan86oiaohm: It's not Microsoft's fault KDE has a TARDISNov 14 22:09
oiaohmXRevan86: there is a warped commonality.   Lead of KDE visual design group that make KDE 4 interface studied at the same Uni as the one who design the new Windows interface with ribbons.Nov 14 22:11
oiaohmXRevan86: I think we have a few professors to blame.Nov 14 22:12
XRevan86oiaohm: University, you mean?Nov 14 22:14
oiaohmXRevan86: yep.Nov 14 22:16
XRevan86oiaohm: So you're saying that professors of design taught similiar principles to students who later made up KDE Oxygen and the ШinVista designs?Nov 14 22:17
MinceRwhy do students have no initiative of their own?Nov 14 22:18
oiaohmSince both have the same university on their CVE and with the timelines it all you can guess happened.Nov 14 22:18
oiaohmIt also appears that the Microsoft one was not paying attention in class because they were taught that rounded conners was important yet the Windows one went with square to be different.Nov 14 22:18
oiaohmMinceR: sometimes they do the totally square conners in the windows design that makes it hard to read is the students own initiative not what was taught from history.Nov 14 22:20
oiaohmGood UX design is a lot of history work to make sure you don't repeat other peoples mistakes.Nov 14 22:20
oiaohmAlso ribbon is not exactly new if you are able to find hotdog software html editor you will see a very early form of something like ribbon.Nov 14 22:23
oiaohmVery little of the Windows Vista UX design was in fact new.   It was mostly a rehash bringing in a lot of the worst of history.    You can find some true new stuff in KDE 4.  Of course that does not mean it is good.Nov 14 22:26
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oiaohmNew UX feature in Vista  is the advertising in the menu.       KDE 4 has activities and other things that had never been done that way before.Nov 14 22:27
MinceRback then the ribbon was a lot easier to avoid, thoughNov 14 22:28
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cubexyzmotif predates all the KDE/win95 stuffNov 14 22:50
cubexyzMotif and IBMNov 14 22:51
cubexyzer, IBM's CUA specificationNov 14 22:51
cubexyzwhich is from 1987Nov 14 22:51
cubexyzKDE has been borked up as far as I can seeNov 14 22:52
cubexyzit's ancient history now: Motif was used in CDE and also IRIXNov 14 22:55
cubexyzbah, I just realized I lost my .mwmrc fileNov 14 23:11
cubexyzanyways. this is what it used to look like:Nov 14 23:22
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oiaohmcubexyz: Yes attempting to reinvent the wheel can be serous path to fail.Nov 15 00:06
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DaemonFC[m]Apps using Motif and CDE both looked like warmed over crap. Even for the 1990s.Nov 15 01:14
DaemonFC[m]KDE more or less cloned Windows and was pretty decent for the time.Nov 15 01:17
DaemonFC[m]I didn't really start trying to get away from KDE until version 4 came out.Nov 15 01:17
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DaemonFC[m]Compare with the Seizure Inducing Boot feature of the Nvidia driver.Nov 15 02:58
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DaemonFC[m]What is the reasoning behind "Yum 4" if DNF has been out for a long time and works well?Nov 15 19:17
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cubexyzhad to deal with majesty gold windows version the other day :-/Nov 16 00:20
cubexyzit never endsNov 16 00:20
cubexyzbink32.dll was crashing the game, no idea whyNov 16 00:20
cubexyzor rather binkw32.dllNov 16 00:22
cubexyzthe bink video codecNov 16 00:23
cubexyzeven if the bink video codec is old or missing it shouldn't make the game crashNov 16 00:29
cubexyzall it does is show an introductory video at the startNov 16 00:29
DaemonFC[m]What the hell is a bink video codec?Nov 16 00:34
cubexyzthere's a wikipedia page for itNov 16 00:35
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DaemonFC[m]Really old games used it apparently.Nov 16 00:35
cubexyzcustomer wants the game working so off I go to try to fix itNov 16 00:35
DaemonFC[m]It says ffmpeg reverse engineered decoding support for the original bink codec, but there's a newer version used in games now.Nov 16 00:36
DaemonFC[m]Why don't they just put it in an emulator?Nov 16 00:36
DaemonFC[m]It can't be that hard to spin up a VM with Windows XP in it.Nov 16 00:36
cubexyzit is windows XPNov 16 00:36
cubexyzand it still crashedNov 16 00:36
DaemonFC[m]Hmmm. Windows 98/Me? Easier still.Nov 16 00:38
DaemonFC[m]No product activation.Nov 16 00:38
cubexyzI think the game was released in 2001Nov 16 00:38
cubexyzso maybe win98 was the most common OS at the timeNov 16 00:39
cubexyzcan't remember Nov 16 00:39
cubexyzdid games work on win2k?Nov 16 00:40
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DaemonFC[m]"Think of it is as the scientific equivalent of Indiana Jones swapping a golden idol for a bag of sand."Nov 16 00:41
DaemonFC[m]It sets off a trap and he runs for his life before a big ball seals him inside forever?Nov 16 00:41
DaemonFC[m]did games work on win2k?Nov 16 00:42
DaemonFC[m]cubexyz Yeah, for the most part.Nov 16 00:42
DaemonFC[m]A few depended on odd Windows 9x quirks, but the vast majority worked fine.Nov 16 00:42
DaemonFC[m]I actually replaced XP with Windows 2000 on more than one system.Nov 16 00:43
DaemonFC[m]It was pretty much compatible with software targeted at XP, but the system requirements to run Windows 2000 were much lower.Nov 16 00:43
DaemonFC[m]You could go through XP trying to slim it down, disabling the theming engine and other stuff, but it was still heavier.Nov 16 00:44
DaemonFC[m]Windows 2000 could be upgraded to DirectX 9.0c, which is all Windows XP could be upgraded to, so for gaming it was pretty much the same thing.Nov 16 00:47
DaemonFC[m]Windows 10 is Permanently Unstable. Nov 16 01:34
DaemonFC[m]It's not mostly frozen and getting bug fixes. It's constantly churning and what little testing feedback Microsoft gets is ignored, and they push the new versions out while they are aware that there are terrible problems with it. Like deleting all of your files or freezing up all the time while you're running Google Chrome.Nov 16 01:35
DaemonFC[m]They make long term support branches, but only enterprise customers can use them, and they have to pay a lot more for it.Nov 16 01:35
DaemonFC[m]And everyone else gets stuck dealing with a broken computer every month, and 10 times worse with the semi-annual "upgrades". Nov 16 01:36
DaemonFC[m]Having long and short term releases works for Linux distros because the Linux distributions are usually not horribly unstable either way.Nov 16 01:37
DaemonFC[m]So you can take in a bunch of new features every 6 months and not worry about it.Nov 16 01:37
DaemonFC[m]The LTS branches are more like uber-conservative to make running into problems and dealing with downtime even less likely. Nov 16 01:38
DaemonFC[m]They have value added services like kernel live patching.Nov 16 01:38
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cubexyzyou really need a compiler, the libraries and source code to fix problemsNov 16 02:26
cubexyzand lots and lots of timeNov 16 02:26
cubexyzand even then it's possible that some externality will stop things from workingNov 16 02:27
cubexyznetwork protocol changes, server changes, etc (or gone completely)Nov 16 02:28
cubexyzwin10 is really a worst case scenarioNov 16 02:31
cubexyzthe user has almost zero control of anythingNov 16 02:31
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: simcity did work on windows 2000 better than horror windows me.Nov 16 03:46
oiaohmcubexyz: win10 is also horrible because it has extra levels of problems because of digital right management.Nov 16 03:47
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cubexyzoiaohm, I solved an interesting problem todayNov 16 04:52
cubexyzthe fics chess server changed there ip address _and_ changed their time protocolNov 16 04:53
cubexyzs/there/their/Nov 16 04:53
cubexyzinitially I couldn't understand why xboard stopped workingNov 16 04:53
cubexyzso I had to replace the old timeseal utility with zsealNov 16 04:53
cubexyzno one seemed to document thisNov 16 04:54
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cubexyza list of games that can network between windows and linux would be niceNov 16 04:59
cubexyzof course xboard/winboard covers chessNov 16 04:59
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cubexyznotice how microsoft always deprecates everything (if deprecate is really the right word)Nov 16 05:09
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cubexyzthere's very little continuityNov 16 05:10
cubexyznot saying X11 is perfect either... I can't use very old X codeNov 16 05:11
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cubexyzon the other hand assemblers don't usually become "deprecated"Nov 16 05:12
cubexyzsome of the very early unix code was pretty crypticNov 16 05:14
cubexyzbut for stuff that was missing in Unix v5 it was possible to go into 2.11BSD and just assemble some games and utilities for Unix v5Nov 16 05:15
cubexyzone would be wise to study crt0.sNov 16 05:24
cubexyz"set up stack" "get argc from stack" "get argv from stack" "call main"Nov 16 05:26
oiaohmcubexyz: somethings had to die because they were just security insane.Nov 16 05:52
oiaohm  << This takes the cake in the stupid department.Nov 16 05:53
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cubexyzhaNov 16 05:53
cubexyzthe world is crazyNov 16 05:53
oiaohmcubexyz: he did have a perfect cyber-security track record for himself.Nov 16 05:54
oiaohmI do remember Google lady who was on the advice board for social media who never used social media ever but she was at least computer and cyber aware.Nov 16 05:55
cubexyzted stevens: 'the internet is a series of tubes'Nov 16 05:56
cubexyztoo many dumb-asses in charge of stuff they have no clue aboutNov 16 05:56
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oiaohmcubexyz: thinking water pipes at times are used to model networking traffic.   Internet being a series of tubes at least matches a physical model.Nov 16 07:40
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kaniinischestowitz you aroundNov 16 12:23
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kaniinihummNov 16 13:07
kaniinitessier pv-grub does not recognize any partitions on these imagesNov 16 13:07
kaniiniokNov 16 13:12
kaniinii figured ito utNov 16 13:12
kaniinior notNov 16 13:34
kaniinitessier yo are these PV or HVMNov 16 13:34
kaniinithey appear to be PVNov 16 13:40
kaniinibutNov 16 13:40
kaniiniidkNov 16 13:40
kaniinihumm, but my pv-grub2 hates itNov 16 13:45
kaniinibecause grub.cfg is on msdos2 partition instead of msdos1Nov 16 13:45
kaniinii wonder if i delete that msdos1 partitionNov 16 13:46
kaniiniif it would fix itNov 16 13:46
kaniiniok deleted that stupid 1MB partition that was unformatted at the frontNov 16 13:55
kaniiniand grub still hates itNov 16 13:55
kaniinigo figureNov 16 13:55
kaniiniohNov 16 13:55
kaniinihelps if i set the device rightNov 16 13:55
kaniinihahNov 16 13:59
kaniiniokNov 16 13:59
kaniininow we're cookingNov 16 13:59
kaniinierror: can't find command `linux16'.Nov 16 13:59
kaniinierror: can't find command `initrd16'.Nov 16 13:59
kaniiniwhat the fuck redhatNov 16 13:59
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kaniiniare we sure these aren't actually KVM VMsNov 16 15:05
schestowitzkaniini: yes, around nowNov 16 15:10
kaniinischestowitz: are we sure these aren't actually KVM VMsNov 16 15:10
kaniinibecause the initramfs appears to be missing xen driversNov 16 15:10
kaniinibut do have virtio driversNov 16 15:10
schestowitzsorry, I didn't check IRC until nowNov 16 15:11
schestowitzkaniini: they're xen AFAIKNov 16 15:12
schestowitzit was always xen for about a decadeNov 16 15:12
kaniinivery oddNov 16 15:12
kaniinii can't get them to boot on xenNov 16 15:12
schestowitzI guess tessier might be able to clarifyNov 16 15:12
kaniinii wonder if they got converted from xen to kvm somehowNov 16 15:12
kaniinibecause i know RHEL 7 uses KVMNov 16 15:12
schestowitzI'm not good at hypervisors, maybe a version discrepancy/ies?Nov 16 15:13
schestowitzit might be best to get a fresher version anyway, even though since you copies the images I have not added any files to the serverNov 16 15:13
schestowitzI did not upload new images at all, only the database and some system files got changedNov 16 15:14
kaniininah this wouldn't be a version discrepancyNov 16 15:14
kaniinithe initramfs is literally missing all drivers for xenNov 16 15:14
schestowitzmaybe tessier knows how to handle them, he did xen for ages and ageNov 16 15:16
schestowitz*agesNov 16 15:16
schestowitzit's like 8am where he isNov 16 15:16
schestowitzmaybe 7Nov 16 15:16
schestowitzkaniini: once it's up with a remotely accessible IP I should be able to do all the rest, I reckon. hypervisors are where I'm least clueful.Nov 16 15:22
kaniiniyesNov 16 15:57
kaniiniunfortunately right now, on xen, they don't boot, due to missing drivers...Nov 16 15:57
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MinceR 16 17:51
XRevan86MinceR: Probably a jokeNov 16 17:54
MinceRthe human species is a jokeNov 16 17:54
XRevan86that probably spells out a weird real sentiment that nationalists haveNov 16 17:55
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MinceRshowing what we've always known: nationalists are idiotsNov 16 17:55
XRevan86classical double-thinkNov 16 17:59
XRevan86they use frameworks of thought that serve their goalsNov 16 18:00
XRevan86not stopping to think if they contradictNov 16 18:00
MinceRthey use thoughts? :>Nov 16 18:03
XRevan86they could actually be philosophical zombies %)Nov 16 18:03
MinceRhmmNov 16 18:04
MinceRthe philosophical zombies i'm aware of aren't supposed to show different behavior from other humansNov 16 18:05
XRevan86MinceR: ohNov 16 18:10
XRevan86MinceR: good pointNov 16 18:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla Now Ships Firefox Nightly Builds With Wayland Enabled - PhoronixNov 16 18:36
DaemonFC[m]The Wayland support on my system is pretty broken in Firefox 63.Nov 16 18:36
DaemonFC[m]It renders menus at double size.Nov 16 18:36
DaemonFC[m]Oh wow. They fixed that. Nov 16 18:38
DaemonFC[m]Might switch my default browser to Firefox on Wayland and see how things go.Nov 16 18:38
DaemonFC[m]Should be less overhead than piping everything through XWayland.Nov 16 18:38
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: rendering menu double size was better than the first screwup of no menus.Nov 16 18:53
DaemonFC[m]The whole Firefox GUI on Wayland native was rendered double size at first. Nov 16 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Then it was just the menus. Nov 16 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Now it seems to work okay.Nov 16 19:04
DaemonFC[m]It looks like they beat Chrome to native Wayland support.Nov 16 19:04
DaemonFC[m] 16 19:05
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DaemonFC[m]RHEL 8 Beta.Nov 16 19:05
DaemonFC[m]They say it will default to Wayland.Nov 16 19:05
MinceRcute that they call it betaNov 16 19:07
MinceRas if they'd ever fix their most serious issues before "release"Nov 16 19:07
MinceR 16 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Oracle founder Larry Ellison says its 'embarrassing' for Amazon that it relies so heavily on Oracle's technology (ORCL, AMZN)Nov 16 19:12
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: the first nightly with Firefox with wayland under the right settings would render no menu.Nov 16 19:13
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: in fact no tabs.Nov 16 19:13
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: double size was a improvement.Nov 16 19:14
oiaohm  old saying security is only as strong as weakest link.Nov 16 19:37
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oiaohmMinceR: Larry Ellision got it wrong possible did not care.    Before AWS Amazon did not really care.  << Then they have people wanting postgresql and even make their own fork to lock them in.   Nov 16 19:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Amazon Redshift - WikipediaNov 16 19:40
oiaohmOf course postgresql has been used by enterprise db as a orcale db replacement.Nov 16 19:40
oiaohmSo now Amazon is effectivelly running 2 things that do the same thing.   Long term the cheapest wins.Nov 16 19:41
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MinceROracle.® The Choice Of Those Who Do Not Care.™Nov 16 20:19
MinceRexcellent slogan!Nov 16 20:19
MinceRoiaohm: amazon cared so little they even accidentally inserted an 'f' after the 'i'Nov 16 20:24
MinceR 16 20:44
XRevan86MinceR: Idiocracy was based on the USNov 16 20:48
MinceRi knowNov 16 20:48
XRevan86just pointing this out :)Nov 16 20:59
MinceR 16 21:37
XRevan86 16 21:38
MinceRlolNov 16 21:39
XRevan86that explains what flat-earthers meant by "globe"Nov 16 21:41
MinceRi thought they considered those globes to be a scamNov 16 21:43
DaemonFC[m]Hmmm. A GNOME Shell and Mutter bug fix release is out, not tied to a minor release of GNOME itself.Nov 16 21:53
oiaohm  The cost of the cpu bugs keeps on turning up.Nov 16 22:31
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DaemonFC[m]I might see if Fedora 29 KDE is any good.Nov 17 00:30
DaemonFC[m]Couldn't be much worse than Kubuntu 18.10. OMG.Nov 17 00:30
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DaemonFC[m]Instead of paying out employee severance packages as promised, Sears/KMart sent them a letter saying the company is bankrupt and there's no more money so there won't be anymore severance checks.Nov 17 00:35
DaemonFC[m]The company then asked the US bankruptcy court judge for $20 million to pay executive bonuses with.Nov 17 00:35
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: ^ Life in AmericaNov 17 00:35
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cubexyzin North America we had what is now called the "retail apocalypse"Nov 17 01:38
cubexyzthere's even a wikipedia page for it:Nov 17 01:38
cubexyz 17 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Retail apocalypse - WikipediaNov 17 01:38
cubexyzhalf of shopping malls are expected to close by 2023Nov 17 01:39
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: that the USA for you.   Executive bonuses are never paid in case of bankrupt in Australia.Nov 17 02:02
DaemonFC[m]cubexyz: Yeah, fuck em.Nov 17 02:04
DaemonFC[m]Never bought anything at a mall anyway.Nov 17 02:04
oiaohmThere is a trend most of the ones not effected by retail apocalypse have one thing in common.   Production of some product on site.Nov 17 02:08
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oiaohmThe buy your complete product list from china put a huge mark-up on it and profit is over.Nov 17 02:10
oiaohm  << Seams people forgot the concept of the double sided sword.Nov 17 02:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tracking and snooping on a million kids | Pen Test PartnersNov 17 02:14
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schestowitztessier: did you see the above about booting the image/vm?Nov 17 03:47
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tessierkaniini: These are KVM so HVMNov 17 11:23
tessierI did xen for ages but have been on KVM for the past few years.Nov 17 11:23
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kaniinitessier ok i can just switch to kvm :)Nov 17 15:34
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DaemonFC[m]Looks like Seamonkey is in trouble.Nov 17 16:57
DaemonFC[m]Too many things it relies on are being removed from Gecko because Firefox no longer uses them.Nov 17 16:57
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schestowitzkaniini: excellent!Nov 17 17:33
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Apaprently, upcoming challenges for Seamonkey will be.... ChatZilla will have to be significantly rewritten or it won't ever work again as soon as they bring in Gecko 60+, several parts of Gecko 63+ are being removed and Mail/News/Venkman/DOM Inspector need those.Nov 17 18:27
DaemonFC[m]I think it's more likely that they declare Seamonkey is finished.Nov 17 18:27
DaemonFC[m]XUL is slowly being deprecated and removed.Nov 17 18:28
DaemonFC[m] I became concerned when I noticed how it's taking them forever to push out a new release that isn't based on Firefox 52 ESR that went out of support months ago. No security updates have even been backported from upstream, so that means that security vulnerabilities are piling up and the longer you use Seamonkey, the worse it will get.Nov 17 18:52
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: hmmmNov 17 19:01
schestowitzI need to move to Falkon one dayNov 17 19:01
schestowitzSome sites cannot be access with my old browser on ltNov 17 19:01
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DaemonFC[m]I'm using Firefox right now. :/Nov 17 20:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | /int/ - koturdayNov 17 21:49
cubexyzfixed my phone today... Nov 17 22:17
cubexyzmy landline phone :)Nov 17 22:17
cubexyzamazing how dusty the bottom of the phone isNov 17 22:19
XRevan86cubexyz: I'm watching an episode of ST:TNG, where a Romulan captain is played by the actor, who played G'KarNov 17 22:26
XRevan86very nice :)Nov 17 22:27
cubexyzTomalak was it?Nov 17 22:27
XRevan86cubexyz: yesNov 17 22:28
cubexyzummmNov 17 22:30
cubexyzyou're up to the 3rd season now I guessNov 17 22:30
XRevan86cubexyz: yesNov 17 22:30
cubexyzha :)Nov 17 22:31
DaemonFC[m]Yes, he died of lung cancer. Andreas KatsulasNov 17 22:31
cubexyzoh didn't realize he was deadNov 17 22:32
XRevan86at the age of 59Nov 17 22:32
cubexyza smoker thenNov 17 22:33
XRevan86> A lifelong smoker, in early 2005, Katsulas was diagnosed with incurable lung cancer.Nov 17 22:33
XRevan86the famous slow suicide…Nov 17 22:36
XRevan86Never understood tobacco smokers.Nov 17 22:36
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