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| DaemonFC[m] | The NRA has turned into an extremist organization that doesn't want any gun laws at all. | Oct 14 00:24 |
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| MinceR | they're worse than that | Oct 14 00:25 |
| MinceR | they randomly attack elements of our culture for unclear reasons | Oct 14 00:25 |
| MinceR | they attack video games, movies | Oct 14 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Misdirection | Oct 14 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Interesting. In Spidermonkey, Mozilla's Javascript engine, they noted that W^X makes code execution about 3% slower on Windows and Linux and 4% slower on Mac because "mprotect is slower there". | Oct 14 01:07 |
| MinceR | unsurprising, given that the macOS kernel is an abomination | Oct 14 01:07 |
| MinceR | a buzzword-driven mashup of two kernels | Oct 14 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, this. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30956242/slow-memory-allocation-in-osx | Oct 14 01:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.com | c - Slow memory allocation in OSX - Stack Overflow | Oct 14 01:08 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "This is just a bug in the kernel that others have encountered, too. The code in the kernel to find an unused chunk of address space to allocate uses an inefficient search algorithm." | Oct 14 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lol | Oct 14 01:09 |
| MinceR | is it from Mach, FreeBSD or did they come up with their own? | Oct 14 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know. | Oct 14 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't used Darwin in a long time. There was a distribution once called OpenDarwin, but they shut it down. | Oct 14 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They figured that people would just write the underpinnings of OS X for free and then when they didn't, Apple killed it. | Oct 14 01:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The fact that nobody else has ever bothered to do anything important with Darwin says it all. | Oct 14 01:14 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/551691.jpg | Oct 14 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What does "F" mean? | Oct 14 02:23 |
| XRevan86 | and… how can they help? | Oct 14 02:23 |
| MinceR | they probably can't | Oct 14 02:23 |
| *XRevan86 shrugs | Oct 14 02:23 | |
| MinceR | https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/858/776/f2e.jpg_large | Oct 14 02:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: so-ka… | Oct 14 02:24 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: RcppNLoptExample, PyGotham, Litestats, Survey and GCC9 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/11645 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f501c1e7-96d6-4be7-925a-c7b6d60099bc] | Oct 14 04:25 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian dev forks Redis modules that are under Commons Clause licence http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116453 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8bdf43f9-7e32-43c7-9e13-d1f47f24fcdf] | Oct 14 04:32 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Weekend Game Suggestions, Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury a Month Away http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116456 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8db1b9b2-fb13-41a4-96f8-35155d50c51e] | Oct 14 11:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Servers: Containers, Xen and Databases http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116457 [https://pleroma.site/objects/09b99d8e-f999-4cad-b196-81ee3843d108] | Oct 14 11:55 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat Financial News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116458 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1b2079db-7359-46fa-b21c-62f34f4f4a77] | Oct 14 12:27 | |
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| XRevan86 | > "Shutter will need to be ported to gtk3 before it can return to Debian" | Oct 14 13:58 |
| XRevan86 | oh boy, it's perl… | Oct 14 13:58 |
| XRevan86 | BTW, I don't think it's necessary to drop Gtk2 to fix the issue. | Oct 14 14:00 |
| XRevan86 | It's libgnome2 that's the culprit | Oct 14 14:00 |
| XRevan86 | Albeit to get GVfs they'd need GObject Introspection… | Oct 14 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | yep, must be ported | Oct 14 14:03 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to Firee SopaXorzTaker balrog schestowitz | Oct 14 14:20 | |
| MinceR | it's probably just an excuse to get rid of the last relatively sane version of gtk | Oct 14 14:20 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: is this still up-to-date? >> http://techrights.org/credibility-index/ | Oct 14 14:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Credibility Index | Techrights | Oct 14 14:20 | |
| MinceR | (with TBL having 4) | Oct 14 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: There's Gtk2 for GObject Introspection, BTW | Oct 14 14:23 |
| XRevan86 | it's not perfect though, but it can be used | Oct 14 14:23 |
| XRevan86 | For instance, that's what mate-menu / mintMenu used before MATE got ported to Gtk3. | Oct 14 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | And CCSM from Compiz Reloaded can use Gtk2 through GObject Introspection, which is the default on Arch ;) | Oct 14 14:24 |
| MinceR | gvfs relies on udisks2, which is cancer | Oct 14 14:27 |
| XRevan86 | The idea is to just not use GnomeVFS | Oct 14 14:29 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently they use it for MIME typing and monitoring files (inotify?) | Oct 14 14:32 |
| XRevan86 | and to find the Trash directory | Oct 14 14:33 |
| schestowitz | [14:20] <MinceR> (with TBL having 4) | Oct 14 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Not timbl | Oct 14 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Tim from Ars | Oct 14 14:38 |
| schestowitz | He used to write elsewhere too | Oct 14 14:38 |
| schestowitz | about swpats | Oct 14 14:38 |
| schestowitz | or maybe I did mean timbl? Not sure... | Oct 14 14:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: few of them still write anyway | Oct 14 14:39 |
| schestowitz | because the media is dying | Oct 14 14:39 |
| schestowitz | not just coz' they got swapped | Oct 14 14:39 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 14 14:40 |
| MinceR | i did mean tim berners-lee though :) | Oct 14 14:40 |
| schestowitz | anyway, it's badly out of date | Oct 14 14:46 |
| schestowitz | I haven't even looked at it... for like a decade | Oct 14 14:46 |
| schestowitz | we need to swap hosts soon :-( :-( | Oct 14 14:46 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/551683.jpg | Oct 14 15:27 |
| MinceR | what's wrong with the current host? | Oct 14 15:27 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/5xuvoaL.gifv | Oct 14 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Oct 14 15:30 | |
| *XRevan86 saw LOTR on VHS %) | Oct 14 15:33 | |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 14 15:34 |
| XRevan86 | I really should rewatch it some day in quality and with the original sound. | Oct 14 15:37 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550989.jpg | Oct 14 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: network downtime? | Oct 14 17:42 |
| schestowitz | tessier: as of minutes ago, copilotco also not accessible | Oct 14 17:42 |
| XRevan86 | Ugh, why can't CMake tell in which version what appeared? | Oct 14 17:42 |
| XRevan86 | It might be the most annoying property of their documentation. | Oct 14 17:43 |
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| MinceR | cmake is shit | Oct 14 18:10 |
| XRevan86 | Well, it is clearly inferior to meson | Oct 14 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36575/ | Oct 14 18:16 |
| schestowitz | "It looks like Microsoft's patent trolls are just continuing with "business as usual" with their lawsuits. See today's article by Roy Schestowitz: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/261716/index.html" | Oct 14 18:16 |
| MinceR | shit like cmake makes me wish i could just deal with ordinary gnu makefiles | Oct 14 18:18 |
| MinceR | https://66.media.tumblr.com/491b244b55112b1805b7896148c114b4/tumblr_pgiwsa2RjS1u6ww01_540.jpg | Oct 14 18:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's definitely not THAT bad | Oct 14 18:23 |
| MinceR | it's definitely that bad | Oct 14 18:24 |
| MinceR | millions of lines of extremely low level unreadable script code with zero support for debugging | Oct 14 18:24 |
| MinceR | and it breaks all the fucking time | Oct 14 18:25 |
| MinceR | and it does nothing to actually help build stuff | Oct 14 18:25 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #KaOS 2018.10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116461 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e39770dc-57cf-4215-a658-7dcbd5d6e047] | Oct 14 18:39 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101323 | Oct 14 18:40 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116460 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8653cf87-b804-4167-a691-78d98fe8cb64] | Oct 14 18:48 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101322 | Oct 14 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | Russia's next 44 presidents should be Ksenia Sobchak | Oct 14 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | it's not the president we need but the president we deserve | Oct 14 19:45 |
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| XRevan86 | (she ran) | Oct 14 19:45 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 14 19:46 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101316 | Oct 14 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | Spelling is hard | Oct 14 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | reminds of https://youtu.be/rtvDCiHfYQ0 | Oct 14 19:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 14 19:53 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1810134 | Oct 14 19:56 |
| MinceR | https://apina.biz/41835.jpg?mode=sfw | Oct 14 21:00 |
| schestowitz | ouch | Oct 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you know hosting companies...? | Oct 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | our sites are offline and we need to move soon | Oct 14 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: kaniini knows :) | Oct 14 21:18 |
| kaniini | schestowitz i can provision a machine, but i need to know what requirements are needed to run the sites | Oct 14 21:18 |
| kaniini | (i also don't have time to maintain the machine, that would be on you) | Oct 14 21:18 |
| MinceR | i do not | Oct 14 21:20 |
| cubexyz | dreamhost and bluehost are two that come to mind | Oct 14 21:20 |
| cubexyz | bluehost is definitely a decent linux hoster | Oct 14 21:22 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: A friend of mine still recommends Contabo | Oct 14 21:31 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101244 | Oct 14 21:44 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/551556.png | Oct 14 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's my answer | Oct 14 21:54 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 14 21:54 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/0OjRmQ1.jpg | Oct 14 22:09 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/551553.jpg | Oct 14 22:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Let's just say I've seen some problematic CMakeLists, but I'm glad I didn't see their authors write Makefiles. | Oct 14 22:18 |
| XRevan86 | And, as a package maintainer, I can say that almost every single Makefile of any given piece of software requires patching. | Oct 14 22:19 |
| MinceR | cmake requires patching as well | Oct 14 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: not nearly as much | Oct 14 22:20 |
| MinceR | yeah, only deleting the whole thing and putting it next to autoconfuse | Oct 14 22:21 |
| MinceR | and waf | Oct 14 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | autotools is also easier to handle than Makefiles %) | Oct 14 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | now those almost never require fix-up | Oct 14 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | rarer than cmake anyway | Oct 14 22:24 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Oct 14 23:35 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/551548.jpg | Oct 14 23:39 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550956.jpg | Oct 14 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: how much for? | Oct 15 02:38 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: ping? | Oct 15 03:32 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: let me know as soon as you're available | Oct 15 05:20 |
| schestowitz | we need to move the servers | Oct 15 05:20 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/551516.jpg | Oct 15 08:02 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/551508.jpg | Oct 15 08:11 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/iJsBTgl.jpg | Oct 15 12:53 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101237 | Oct 15 15:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 15 15:07 | |
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| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/2wjl4t.png | Oct 15 16:05 |
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| kaniini | schestowitz free | Oct 15 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: wow, are you sure you can bear the costs in the long run? Bandwidth, maintenance etc.? | Oct 15 18:21 |
| kaniini | well, as long as i don't have to be the sysadmin, yeah | Oct 15 18:26 |
| kaniini | lol | Oct 15 18:26 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 15 18:33 |
| schestowitz | how many cores are available? | Oct 15 18:33 |
| schestowitz | and what capacity at the network side? Just need to check... | Oct 15 18:33 |
| schestowitz | The sites are two Xen VMs | Oct 15 18:34 |
| schestowitz | looking at varnish at the moment to estimate specs | Oct 15 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: looks like 2.5gb per hour on average | Oct 15 18:40 |
| schestowitz | based on the past hour (didn't publish much today) | Oct 15 18:40 |
| schestowitz | with mysql doing the backend | Oct 15 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I did not perform any profile to come up with cpu/ram needs | Oct 15 18:41 |
| schestowitz | but currently it's underutilised somewhat | Oct 15 18:41 |
| schestowitz | avg. 6 reqs/second, 700k on average | Oct 15 18:44 |
| schestowitz | I could not host this kind of thing from home even if the ISP let me | Oct 15 18:44 |
| schestowitz | tuxamchines used to be hosted from home in Tennessee | Oct 15 18:45 |
| schestowitz | not that I expect any ISP to tolerate uploads of 1.8tb per month | Oct 15 18:45 |
| kaniini | ok, i'll see what i can do | Oct 15 18:55 |
| kaniini | we have a bunch of AMD EPYC machines and IBM POWER8 machines running KVM | Oct 15 18:55 |
| kaniini | (we're also trying to get ThunderX machines up, but if you've read my posts about that ongoing saga, it's taking a long time) | Oct 15 18:56 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I spotted it in passing | Oct 15 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I try not to multitask too much, so it's post, write articles, read posts of people, then reply once in a few days to everything | Oct 15 18:59 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines has about 120k pages/nodes | Oct 15 18:59 |
| schestowitz | techrights ~25k blog posts plus wiki pages etc., static files, media... | Oct 15 18:59 |
| schestowitz | 15 years' and 12 years' worth of these, hence the size | Oct 15 19:00 |
| cubexyz | how much storage you do need? | Oct 15 19:00 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines is lighter | Oct 15 19:00 |
| schestowitz | DBs about 6gb total exc backup IIRC | Oct 15 19:01 |
| schestowitz | not much in terms of files volume | Oct 15 19:01 |
| schestowitz | techrights has many IRC logs (since a decade plus ago) | Oct 15 19:01 |
| schestowitz | plus media, so around 50 in files, DBs smaller though | Oct 15 19:01 |
| schestowitz | (50gb) | Oct 15 19:02 |
| cubexyz | yeah 100 years from now historians will have fun with those logs :) | Oct 15 19:03 |
| schestowitz | this past half an hour it does a floppy disk per second | Oct 15 19:03 |
| schestowitz | some served as static through varnish | Oct 15 19:03 |
| schestowitz | it's actually the first time in over a year that I check this.. | Oct 15 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Just did some calculations | Oct 15 19:09 |
| schestowitz | about 600k connections per day at the cache server level | Oct 15 19:09 |
| schestowitz | or 7 per second | Oct 15 19:10 |
| schestowitz | some of these are bots trawling/indexing the sites | Oct 15 19:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:03] <cubexyz> yeah 100 years from now historians will have fun with those logs :) | Oct 15 19:12 |
| schestowitz | the Web won't last that long | Oct 15 19:12 |
| schestowitz | neither will we | Oct 15 19:12 |
| schestowitz | I hope for something like those fantasy movies in 2118, not a Mad Max-type world | Oct 15 19:13 |
| cubexyz | you predict the www won't exist in 100 years? | Oct 15 19:13 |
| schestowitz | or people staring at vanishingly smaller screens and pinching to select emoji rather than getting more computer screens and working properly | Oct 15 19:13 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, for sure | Oct 15 19:13 |
| schestowitz | the protocols certainly would be obsolete by then | Oct 15 19:14 |
| schestowitz | domain names, ipv6 etc. | Oct 15 19:14 |
| schestowitz | some BigCorp will offer BetterThings like AMP | Oct 15 19:14 |
| schestowitz | And CF/GOOG will serve | Oct 15 19:14 |
| schestowitz | And CF/GOOG will serve ''your' pages through them | Oct 15 19:14 |
| schestowitz | We'll just 'generate' 'content' for them to give 'consumers' with ads attached for 'monetisation | Oct 15 19:15 |
| schestowitz | FB already does this | Oct 15 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Google tried with G+ and failed | Oct 15 19:15 |
| schestowitz | many news sites have died (inactive, stale, sometimes deleted), tuxmachines is still growing miraculously enough. | Oct 15 19:16 |
| schestowitz | My theory: | Oct 15 19:16 |
| schestowitz | old sites die, get delisted | Oct 15 19:16 |
| schestowitz | so to find history of Linux, Microsoft etc. you'd need to end up on the few remaining repos of text, tuxmachines archives well over 100k news clippings, and some are collections/clusters of them | Oct 15 19:17 |
| schestowitz | today I browsed pages from 10 years ago in techrights and many of the links to external sites are now broken | Oct 15 19:18 |
| schestowitz | but you can plug these URLs into Internet Archive to study what happened... assuming these got indexed at one point | Oct 15 19:19 |
| schestowitz | The URL alone, even without the title that explains what it's about, can be pretty useful thanks for IA | Oct 15 19:19 |
| schestowitz | esp. for historians/researchers/curators | Oct 15 19:19 |
| schestowitz | a lot of sites that document Microsoft crimes are gone, except Groklaw (I checked it today) | Oct 15 19:20 |
| schestowitz | This means Microsoft can more easily pollute and googlebomb history | Oct 15 19:20 |
| schestowitz | tecvhrights needs to remain, even if wife and I work hard to subsidise the hosting | Oct 15 19:21 |
| schestowitz | search now for vista, windows, linux... | Oct 15 19:21 |
| schestowitz | All you find is crap like "SQL for Linux" [sic] (DrawBridge), Microsoft loves Linux, Microsoft open-sources 60,000 patents, Canonical/Novell/Red Hat love Microsoft | Oct 15 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Novell deleted all the pages critical of Microsoft in 2006 after their patent deal | Oct 15 19:22 |
| schestowitz | They flushed out facts in exchange for money | Oct 15 19:22 |
| schestowitz | We kept the URLs for those, can extract these from IA | Oct 15 19:23 |
| schestowitz | SCO is defunct also and a lot of links used in Groklaw are dead, almost all of them... | Oct 15 19:23 |
| cubexyz | yes information is always lost | Oct 15 19:24 |
| schestowitz | From TODAY: | Oct 15 19:25 |
| schestowitz | > Hello Dr. Schestowitz, | Oct 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | > My apologies for emailing you out of the blue, but do you have time to chat about Microsoft sometime? Specifically with regard to patent trolling. I’m writing an article about the influence of Bill Gates Sr. and his law firm KL Gates with regard to the predatory design and nature of Microsoft and would appreciate your perspective. | Oct 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Can you share info with me for publication also? | Oct 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | >> I’m an open book man. Another project that I have on the back-burner is focused on how Microsoft influences and suppresses the media. | Oct 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | > There's a lot of stuff about this at techrights. If you search the site | Oct 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | > you will find plenty, inc. bill sr. | Oct 15 19:26 |
| cubexyz | I seem to remember there was a torrent or something regarding microsoft dirt | Oct 15 19:26 |
| cubexyz | burn it all on CDs and keep it | Oct 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | > Truth be told, I just stumbled upon that site today so I will be spending a bit of time there over the next few weeks. Based on what I’ve read so far though, thanks for pointing out how Microsoft funds patent trolls; this was news to me. But it also seems like an eerily similar tactic leveraged by Peter Thiel, and presumably others, when he enacted his revenge on Gawker by funding Hulk Hogan's lawsuit. In turn, this makes me wonder if | Oct 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | media outlets dance around topics that make Microsoft and other large entities look bad for fear of indirect retaliation such as this. | Oct 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | > I’ve been so focused on other crude aspects of Microsoft that I seem to have neglected to realize just how potent of a troll they are in the realm of patent law, among other things. Only after realizing that they’ve been trolling the Linux world for years, to the point of being one of necessitating factors of OIN’s formation, did I begin to consider just how much of their business is dependent on subverting their competition, Linux | Oct 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | or otherwise, through their patents. | Oct 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | > Needless to say, please feel free to use and re-appropriate anything that I’ve written to use as well as cite at your discretion. I maintain the stance that there are not enough people writing about how destructive Microsoft is in this day and am just glad to see others writing about it. Also feel free to reach out if you need another perspective or a vent. | Oct 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I shall revisit the subject soon. Let me know if you need pointers as I know what I wrote in 24000+ posts and can find it based on keywords. | Oct 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | ^^^ 2 minutes ago | Oct 15 19:29 |
| schestowitz | so people based things they publish based on techrights still | Oct 15 19:29 |
| schestowitz | a lot of other sources are vanishing over time | Oct 15 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I was just thinking, in the area of patents, especially EPO (thousands of articles), there are literally thousands of scoops and exclusives that aren't available in other sites. I think our EPO work was the most influential thing in recent years -- totally transformed the debate in Europe | Oct 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | gtg now | Oct 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | still stressed over the thought of having to migrate the sites | Oct 15 19:37 |
| kaniini | what kind of timeline do you have | Oct 15 19:37 |
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| MinceR | https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a0Q9Kon_460svvp9.webm | Oct 15 20:19 |
| kaniini | schestowitz how much disk do you need | Oct 15 20:56 |
| kaniini | schestowitz would an intel xeon e3 with 32gb ram and some 256GB SSDs in raid do? | Oct 15 20:58 |
| kaniini | actually | Oct 15 20:59 |
| kaniini | i have some 512GB SSDs | Oct 15 20:59 |
| kaniini | so | Oct 15 20:59 |
| kaniini | i'll just set up | Oct 15 20:59 |
| kaniini | an e3 box | Oct 15 20:59 |
| kaniini | 512gb SSDs | Oct 15 20:59 |
| kaniini | and we can run KVM or Xen or whatever you want to do | Oct 15 20:59 |
| kaniini | i'll try to get it up tomorrow | Oct 15 20:59 |
| kaniini | right now i'm testing everything | Oct 15 21:00 |
| kaniini | with the new network we deployed | Oct 15 21:00 |
| kaniini | i want to put your server on that, so i want to make sure it's good first | Oct 15 21:00 |
| kaniini | so | Oct 15 21:11 |
| kaniini | yeah | Oct 15 21:11 |
| kaniini | e3, 32gb ram, 512gb ssds | Oct 15 21:12 |
| kaniini | if that winds up not being enough in future | Oct 15 21:12 |
| kaniini | i can build a bigger machine | Oct 15 21:12 |
| kaniini | just don't want to waste power if unnecessary | Oct 15 21:12 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101143 | Oct 15 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 15 22:29 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550898.jpg | Oct 15 22:36 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/551390.jpg | Oct 15 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: sounds very good | Oct 16 01:26 |
| schestowitz | (just got back from work) | Oct 16 01:26 |
| kaniini | schestowitz okay | Oct 16 01:26 |
| kaniini | i fired off an e-mail to get that going | Oct 16 01:27 |
| schestowitz | excellent, where's the DC by the way? | Oct 16 01:28 |
| schestowitz | we can migrate one site at a time, starting with the simpler one | Oct 16 01:28 |
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| XRevan86 | If there's a need in setting things up, I can help (for free). | Oct 16 01:33 |
| XRevan86 | But not on CentOS/Fedora, can't stand it %). | Oct 16 01:33 |
| schestowitz | We're not bound to a particular distro | Oct 16 01:37 |
| schestowitz | e.g. if we rebuild the thing | Oct 16 01:37 |
| schestowitz | just the CMS | Oct 16 01:37 |
| schestowitz | provided it has compatible php version etc. | Oct 16 01:38 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: thanks for the offer, happy to know | Oct 16 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Makes sense. It's just that, when I switch a hosting, I keep the OS, so that's the approach I keep in mind :) | Oct 16 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You're welcome | Oct 16 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | Not sure if "you're welcome" works in the context %). | Oct 16 01:45 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I guess the biggest challenge is to get the CMS up to date | Oct 16 01:47 |
| schestowitz | the key CMSs are patched | Oct 16 01:52 |
| schestowitz | the thing I'm not too good at is setup like handling of domains like getting them from the nameserver etc. | Oct 16 01:53 |
| schestowitz | I assume static IP for the server or a nameserver at the DC | Oct 16 01:53 |
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| schestowitz | the sort of 'higher level' stuff, the network level | Oct 16 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You mean, DHCP | Oct 16 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And maybe resolv.conf handling? | Oct 16 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | openresolv actually integrates with ifupdown, so it all wraps nicely on Devuan | Oct 16 01:56 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't see the problem | Oct 16 01:56 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Or you could just write "nameserver 9.9.9.10" in /etc/resolv.conf, and that'll work | Oct 16 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | after making a regular file instead of a symlink if it is ;) | Oct 16 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Modern resolv.conf handlers never touch the file directly | Oct 16 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | not even NetworkManager | Oct 16 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | instead they make a temporary file somewhere in /run and expect you to make a symlink | Oct 16 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | and systemd-resolved also has one in /usr/share/ (which is not temporary) | Oct 16 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Hope that sheds some light on how resolving works :) | Oct 16 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | If that was the problem. If you meant getting the hostname from DHCP, then that's nss magic. | Oct 16 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | nss-dns or nss-resolve (systemd) | Oct 16 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | But on a VPS I'm not sure why would anyone use that | Oct 16 02:13 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Oh, and of course on a VPS an IP is always static, even if they prefer to give it through DHCP | Oct 16 02:19 |
| XRevan86 | A lot of hostings don't even bother setting DHCP up for that reason | Oct 16 02:20 |
| schestowitz | will need to think about it | Oct 16 02:20 |
| schestowitz | then there's firewalling | Oct 16 02:20 |
| schestowitz | common issue was opening the server to outward traffic, e.g. for wget/curl to let the bots run | Oct 16 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | That's a rather complicated topic indeed :) | Oct 16 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You could open only 443 and only to a particular user | Oct 16 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | Albeit I myself don't really do security through firewalls | Oct 16 02:25 |
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| XRevan86 | I look closely at what ports are open out, so the only thing that I can think of as a threat is remote code execution | Oct 16 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | But if it found its way in, it can probably get out through the same door %) | Oct 16 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: maybe a chance or opportunity to also move to https at long last | Oct 16 02:51 |
| schestowitz | for both sites | Oct 16 02:51 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: we never had security issues | Oct 16 02:53 |
| schestowitz | not even minor | Oct 16 02:53 |
| schestowitz | and would rather keep it that way | Oct 16 02:53 |
| schestowitz | some things were manually hardened, like the CMS | Oct 16 02:54 |
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| schestowitz | LMAO | Oct 16 13:13 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't even seem to care, MinceR | Oct 16 13:13 |
| MinceR | yeah | Oct 16 13:23 |
| MinceR | but i totally understand | Oct 16 13:23 |
| MinceR | i hate lagging automatic doors too | Oct 16 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: it seems rather sensitive | Oct 16 13:59 |
| schestowitz | the door | Oct 16 13:59 |
| schestowitz | and he isn't | Oct 16 13:59 |
| schestowitz | very insensitive | Oct 16 13:59 |
| schestowitz | maybe injured war vet | Oct 16 13:59 |
| MinceR | the door didn't open in time | Oct 16 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Lagging is not the worst automatic door its the automatic door that is kind rapid on shutting while you in the middle. | Oct 16 14:17 |
| MinceR | yeah, that's even worse | Oct 16 14:19 |
| schestowitz | he drove fast towards it | Oct 16 14:19 |
| schestowitz | and it was aleady | Oct 16 14:19 |
| schestowitz | already closing | Oct 16 14:19 |
| schestowitz | he's a real a-hole | Oct 16 14:19 |
| MinceR | 'already closing' is not an excuse in the case of an automatic door | Oct 16 14:19 |
| schestowitz | but disabled, so it's not P-C to say so | Oct 16 14:19 |
| MinceR | there's zero need for having the door close and open again | Oct 16 14:19 |
| MinceR | just stop closing and start opening, not rocket surgery | Oct 16 14:19 |
| schestowitz | maybe they avoid false positives | Oct 16 14:20 |
| schestowitz | like some pigeon pooping nearby | Oct 16 14:20 |
| MinceR | doesn't look like a pigeon to me :> | Oct 16 14:20 |
| oiaohm | I have worked with helping servicing some automatic doors some they cannot turn around mid flight. | Oct 16 14:22 |
| oiaohm | The problem with having basic relay for brains. | Oct 16 14:22 |
| MinceR | lame | Oct 16 14:23 |
| MinceR | though i guess it's more likely for ancient automatic doors to remain in use in the west than here | Oct 16 14:23 |
| MinceR | where they weren't even installed until relatively recently | Oct 16 14:24 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: what does this say about RMS? https://www.kaldata.com/it-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8/code-of-conduct-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0-linux-%D1%8F%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8-295918.html | Oct 16 15:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Code of Conduct: разработчиците на Linux ядрото заплашиха да премахнат своя код - kaldata.com | Oct 16 15:32 | |
| XRevan86 | > Но Грег направи нещо странно – предложи приемането на новия кодекс Code of Conduct | Oct 16 15:38 |
| XRevan86 | He did? | Oct 16 15:39 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: reading | Oct 16 15:39 |
| XRevan86 | they state that it is Greg who proposed the new CoC | Oct 16 15:39 |
| MinceR | of course | Oct 16 15:39 |
| MinceR | the inheritor | Oct 16 15:39 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: They don't say much about RMS | Oct 16 15:42 |
| XRevan86 | just that he doesn't think it is possible to revoke a GPL licence | Oct 16 15:42 |
| XRevan86 | and that the Software Freedom Conservancy analysis backs that up | Oct 16 15:42 |
| XRevan86 | Bulgarian is weird (: | Oct 16 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | wait, what… | Oct 16 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | > Linux Kernel използва универсалния GNUv2 лиценз | Oct 16 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | GNUv2? | Oct 16 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | * to revoke a GNU licence | Oct 16 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | Russian: имеют, Ukrainian: мають, Bulgarian: имат | Oct 16 15:45 |
| MinceR | i wonder what are they blackmailing Linus with | Oct 16 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | > споразумението между автора на кода и отворения проект | Oct 16 15:47 |
| XRevan86 | declensions are so off | Oct 16 15:47 |
| XRevan86 | unlike Russian, Ukrainian or Polish | Oct 16 15:47 |
| XRevan86 | между кем? между автором и проектом | Oct 16 15:48 |
| XRevan86 | and they have между автора и проект | Oct 16 15:48 |
| XRevan86 | accusative and nominative? | Oct 16 15:48 |
| XRevan86 | some words sound very posh in Russian, which makes sense I guess (: | Oct 16 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | (a lot of Ukrainian words sound colloquial in contrast) | Oct 16 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | отворить, созидатель | Oct 16 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | oh, I misread, it's создатель, not so posh now %) | Oct 16 15:52 |
| XRevan86 | apparently the nominative case is defined with a postfix "то", which is completely unfamiliar to me | Oct 16 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | (ru) своего кода → (bu) своя код (genitive) | Oct 16 15:56 |
| XRevan86 | (ru) распространение → (bu) разпространението (nominative) | Oct 16 15:57 |
| XRevan86 | s/своя код/на своя код/ | Oct 16 15:57 |
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| XRevan86 | definitely an interesting language that I overlooked | Oct 16 15:58 |
| XRevan86 | Declensions in West and East Slavic languages are similiar with only a few differences | Oct 16 15:59 |
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| XRevan86 | "against the behaviour rules": | Oct 16 16:02 |
| XRevan86 | Russian: против правил поведения | Oct 16 16:02 |
| XRevan86 | Bulgarian: против правила на поведение | Oct 16 16:02 |
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| XRevan86 | If I get it right, Old Church Slavic ("Old Bulgarian") has declensions more like Russian | Oct 16 16:06 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Church_Slavonic_grammar | Oct 16 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Old Church Slavonic grammar - Wikipedia | Oct 16 16:06 | |
| XRevan86 | I'll try to construct Old Church Slavic and Bulgarian sentences for "I see lots of wine" ("я вижу много вина") | Oct 16 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | Old Church Slavic: "азъ виждѫ мъногъ вина" | Oct 16 16:16 |
| XRevan86 | that was hard :) | Oct 16 16:17 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Oct 16 16:17 |
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| XRevan86 | Google Translate translates that as "Виждам много вино" to Bulgarian | Oct 16 16:18 |
| XRevan86 | from both Russian and English | Oct 16 16:18 |
| XRevan86 | and indeed, Russian has exactly the same declension here, and Bulgarian doesn't | Oct 16 16:19 |
| XRevan86 | the only differences with O-C-S are a different first-person pronoun (for some reason all modern Slavic languages I know have "ya" there, and not "az"), lack of nasal sounds (I don't think Bulgarian has them either, Polish does though) and always has a vowel at the end of a word. | Oct 16 16:21 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know of a modern Slavic that didn't remove those extra vowels. Bulgarian is no exception. | Oct 16 16:22 |
| XRevan86 | So there were no consonant clusters in O-C-S | Oct 16 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | Polish: Widzę dużo wina | Oct 16 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | and transliterated to Cyrillic: "Виждѫ дужо вина" | Oct 16 16:27 |
| XRevan86 | also same declensions as in Russian and O-C-S unlike Bulgarian | Oct 16 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | but a different word for "lots", formed from a word "дюже" with a meaning closer to "very" | Oct 16 16:29 |
| XRevan86 | having some quality in high amounts | Oct 16 16:29 |
| XRevan86 | I guess the thing I investigated with this is who's the odd one here :) | Oct 16 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | Did the West and East Slavic languages change or Bulgarian? Apparently the latter. | Oct 16 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | Serbo-Croatian: "Видим пуно вина" | Oct 16 16:34 |
| XRevan86 | almost correct, except I asked for first-person singular | Oct 16 16:34 |
| XRevan86 | why did I get a first-person plural O_O | Oct 16 16:34 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe that's what "Виждам" is, a first-person plural. Then it makes more sense. | Oct 16 16:36 |
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| XRevan86 | * Polish: "Видзѫ дужо вина" | Oct 16 16:40 |
| XRevan86 | I transliterated it wrong | Oct 16 16:40 |
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| cubexyz | PL | Oct 16 16:42 |
| cubexyz | ignore that | Oct 16 16:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: PoLand? :) | Oct 16 16:42 |
| MinceR | packet loss | Oct 16 16:43 |
| cubexyz | nope | Oct 16 16:43 |
| cubexyz | me typing "APL" and the A appeared on a different screen | Oct 16 16:43 |
| cubexyz | anyways I thought polish mostly used the latin alphabet | Oct 16 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's why I had to transliterate to compare (: | Oct 16 16:44 |
| MinceR | i thought dz sounded a lot different from жд | Oct 16 16:45 |
| XRevan86 | It can be transliterated perfectly into Cyrillic if using the extended alphabet and not a Russian one or something. | Oct 16 16:45 |
| MinceR | good old glagolitic | Oct 16 16:45 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: thanks, that's what I wanted to know | Oct 16 16:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: it does, I just misread | Oct 16 16:46 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 16 16:46 |
| schestowitz | search results for RMS brought this up | Oct 16 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I didn't known greg k-h had anything to do with the coc | Oct 16 16:46 |
| schestowitz | what a coc! | Oct 16 16:46 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 16 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Greg worked for Microsoft | Oct 16 16:46 |
| schestowitz | on hyper-v for example | Oct 16 16:46 |
| MinceR | *still works | Oct 16 16:46 |
| schestowitz | through Novell | Oct 16 16:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Did he? | Oct 16 16:46 |
| MinceR | if you can call it "work" | Oct 16 16:46 |
| MinceR | still, i wonder what will the competent kernel developers know once they realize what ratcrap has done to their work | Oct 16 16:47 |
| MinceR | will they fork Linux? | Oct 16 16:47 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, one freaky language change has to be mongolian... they switched over to cyrillic | Oct 16 16:47 |
| MinceR | they had a pretty weird old script | Oct 16 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I don't know that much about Mongolia unfortunately | Oct 16 16:50 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But I'd argue that's probably not that drastic if the language structure wasn't affected by it | Oct 16 16:53 |
| XRevan86 | Alphabets do affect the language but that depends a lot on the ambiguities of the alphabet | Oct 16 16:54 |
| cubexyz | evidently the russians persuaded them to switch over | Oct 16 16:54 |
| MinceR | "persuaded" | Oct 16 16:55 |
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| XRevan86 | Apparently at first they wanted to switch to the Latin alphabet in the 30s, but switched to Cyrillic in 1941. | Oct 16 16:57 |
| cubexyz | it still seems like a big change to me | Oct 16 16:57 |
| cubexyz | even bigger... a double switch :) | Oct 16 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | they didn't actually switch to Latin | Oct 16 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | just planned to | Oct 16 16:58 |
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| XRevan86 | Apparently the rationale for a change is simplification for the availability to the commons, to introduce literacy | Oct 16 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | that's what I guessed to | Oct 16 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | * too | Oct 16 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | The Ukrainian orphography was formed with simplicity in mind, for instance | Oct 16 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | and the Russian orphography was slightly simplified in 1918 too | Oct 16 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | As criticism of the Cyrillic script I see the pin-pointing on a specific dialect | Oct 16 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | which I guess is an inevitable result of a script simplification… | Oct 16 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | so the new script forced the phonology of Mongolian to be just one way | Oct 16 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | > The Mongolian script is a highly unusual vertical script, and unlike other historically vertical-only scripts such as the Chinese script it cannot easily be adapted for horizontal use, which puts it at a disadvantage compared to Cyrillic for many modern purposes. | Oct 16 17:04 |
| XRevan86 | But in the end the Cyrillic script has a big advantage | Oct 16 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | works with eurocentric computer systems %) | Oct 16 17:06 |
| MinceR | afaik it's vertical only on the intra-word level | Oct 16 17:06 |
| MinceR | latin works better with eurocentric computer systems | Oct 16 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: not that significant a difference | Oct 16 17:06 |
| MinceR | well, if one replaces their writing system for the sake of eurocentric computer systems, one might as well go latin | Oct 16 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's not the reason why it came to be (in 1930-1940s, duh), but the reason why it prevails today | Oct 16 17:08 |
| XRevan86 | it just means that nationalists have a much harder time restoring the historical national script, because computers | Oct 16 17:09 |
| MinceR | well, at least nationalists lose | Oct 16 17:09 |
| MinceR | that's always a plus | Oct 16 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | > well, if one replaces their writing system for the sake of eurocentric computer systems, one might as well go latin | Oct 16 17:11 |
| XRevan86 | BTW, Kazakhstan %) | Oct 16 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | they eternal leader figured just that | Oct 16 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | * their | Oct 16 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | I suspect he actually wants Kazakhstan to look less Soviet-like, not knowing that the Cyrillic script is not what actually the problem %) | Oct 16 17:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 16 17:14 |
| MinceR | inb4 he models the new kazakh orthography after hungarian | Oct 16 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | But I don't think he'll agree that having a local Putin is the problem, because he is the one %) | Oct 16 17:14 |
| MinceR | plus he's probably a fan of the global putin as well | Oct 16 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_alphabets#Latin_script | Oct 16 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kazakh alphabets - Wikipedia | Oct 16 17:16 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Doesn't look like the Hungarian alphabet that much | Oct 16 17:17 |
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| MinceR | so he could have done worse if he wanted to make it less soviet-like | Oct 16 17:18 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: The original idea was to make it more English-like %) | Oct 16 17:19 |
| XRevan86 | but apparently they didn't | Oct 16 17:19 |
| MinceR | poor guy didn't know english very well | Oct 16 17:19 |
| MinceR | but that's the way it is with dictatorship | Oct 16 17:20 |
| MinceR | the leadership is just never particularly competent | Oct 16 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | I remember the original statement, it had something with being able to write with QWERTY | Oct 16 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | to never have to switch the alphabet | Oct 16 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | and now I see an alphabet with accents %) | Oct 16 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | good luck with typing all that on a QWERTY | Oct 16 17:21 |
| MinceR | they can just use altgr :> | Oct 16 17:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Only slows one down | Oct 16 17:22 |
| MinceR | no, also allows one to type all sorts of exotic characters without screwing up the keyboard for shells, programming languages and text editors | Oct 16 17:23 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Imagine if your language has those exotic characters in every word in plenty | Oct 16 17:23 |
| MinceR | i'd come to the conclusion that the orthography of my language sucks | Oct 16 17:24 |
| XRevan86 | that's the convinience Nazarbayev was selling | Oct 16 17:24 |
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| XRevan86 | It's not like I'm fundamentally against changing an alphabet, maybe from Cyrillic to Latin, but there always has to be a reason, logic behind the act. And preferrably not one that stinks of politics. | Oct 16 17:30 |
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| XRevan86 | Only someone like Nazarbayev could've pulled this off. | Oct 16 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | because this is a serious investment, but in what exactly? | Oct 16 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | There's an opinion that Nazarbayev did this to be remembered for a long time as the guy who founded the national alphabet. | Oct 16 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | Alphabets can last a long time, until the next Nazarbayev %) | Oct 16 17:33 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I'm watching S01E26 | Oct 16 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | and… Picard has questionable morality %) | Oct 16 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | about how to treat the dead that can easily be brought back to life | Oct 16 17:41 |
| XRevan86 | he only started treating them as someone who has value of life after they were brought back to life | Oct 16 17:42 |
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| XRevan86 | I'm not explaining it well %) | Oct 16 17:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I hope you know what I'm talking about %) | Oct 16 17:43 |
| MinceR | yeah | Oct 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | re nazarbayev | Oct 16 17:53 |
| XRevan86 | The weirdest thing about ST:TNG is that it's space visuals hold up really well | Oct 16 18:24 |
| XRevan86 | but when they go down to a planet, it's like visiting low-budget episodes of Doctor Who from the 70s | Oct 16 18:25 |
| MinceR | planets are difficult with that tech level | Oct 16 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | It's surprising how well they do space :) | Oct 16 18:33 |
| MinceR | space is probably easier to do with CGI | Oct 16 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | I don't think this is CGI | Oct 16 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | it predates Babylon-5 | Oct 16 18:36 |
| XRevan86 | Whoopi Goldberg o_0 | Oct 16 18:38 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't know she played a role in Star Trek | Oct 16 18:38 |
| XRevan86 | The child from S02E01 got a serious burn from putting his finger in a bowl of hot soup %) | Oct 16 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | was it 100°C? | Oct 16 19:02 |
| oiaohm_ | XRevan86: ST:TNG does have some CGI but lot is very good prop masters. | Oct 16 21:39 |
| oiaohm_ | XRevan86: and having the budget to do the props. | Oct 16 21:40 |
| oiaohm_ | XRevan86: inside the ship in ST:TNG is all prop work. Outside the ship in space is all CGI mixed with insanely detailed models in places.. | Oct 16 21:42 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: as in made models not computer generated modes. | Oct 16 21:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 16 21:44 |
| MinceR | http://ace.mu.nu/archives/Attachment-1.jpg | Oct 16 22:49 |
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| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Makes sense | Oct 17 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I'm just very impressed :) | Oct 17 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | how it's very hard to tell when the show was made just by looking at special effects | Oct 17 01:31 |
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| XRevan86 | but all the other props got very much dated, clothes in particular | Oct 17 01:31 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/6mFPivb | Oct 17 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Sword In The Coin? - GIF on Imgur | Oct 17 12:31 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/pOXNklz | Oct 17 12:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This cat learned that his owner is deaf. This is how they communicate. - Album on Imgur | Oct 17 12:44 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/OosdDJW.png | Oct 17 12:55 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Vzr6KrU.jpg | Oct 17 13:03 |
| cubexyz | oh great, I'm in the "never to be supported" group :-/ | Oct 17 13:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: On what? | Oct 17 13:44 |
| cubexyz | HP chromebook G4's will _never_ get linux apps | Oct 17 13:44 |
| cubexyz | of course I can just do the crouton thing | Oct 17 13:45 |
| cubexyz | baytrail systems don't have VMX | Oct 17 13:46 |
| cubexyz | or at least the chromebook baytrail ones don't | Oct 17 13:46 |
| cubexyz | I only bought it in nov 2016 | Oct 17 13:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Can't you just install a true GNU/Linux there? %) | Oct 17 13:50 |
| cubexyz | yes | Oct 17 13:51 |
| XRevan86 | Wiping out the ChromeOS | Oct 17 13:51 |
| cubexyz | right | Oct 17 13:51 |
| XRevan86 | and forgetting it like a nightmare | Oct 17 13:51 |
| cubexyz | it's a good win10 alternative for customers | Oct 17 13:51 |
| MinceR | and wait 30s on every boot | Oct 17 13:52 |
| cubexyz | crouton broke on me a few times, a bit disappointing | Oct 17 13:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: For what? Is there some limitation to their coreboot? | Oct 17 13:52 |
| MinceR | isn't that how developer mode works on chromebooks? | Oct 17 13:53 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, yes | Oct 17 13:53 |
| MinceR | oh, you can also press a key to proceed, iirc | Oct 17 13:53 |
| cubexyz | you can also tweak the firmware | Oct 17 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Really it interesting watching this year X11 conference over what google is up to with virtual machines on chromeos. | Oct 17 13:54 |
| XRevan86 | A good alternative, right… | Oct 17 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Wayland protocol over virtio | Oct 17 13:54 |
| MinceR | ew | Oct 17 13:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and they are trying to make it work with virgil3d as well. | Oct 17 13:56 |
| oiaohm | This is really getting very interesting levels of ew. | Oct 17 13:56 |
| MinceR | well, at least you can tell what the guys at redhat are doing | Oct 17 13:56 |
| MinceR | if they're doing it, it's getting into waylandows | Oct 17 13:57 |
| MinceR | if not, it's not because "security" | Oct 17 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Google is doing the wayland route for security. | Oct 17 13:58 |
| oiaohm | xwayland inside the virtual machine without a wayland compositor then using wayland to host. | Oct 17 13:58 |
| oiaohm | As I say this is getting some very interesting level ew and items that might make qube os in time somewhat more sane to use. | Oct 17 13:59 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/ByNfG55 | Oct 17 13:59 |
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| MinceR | qubes is remains pointless as long as the nsa backdoor stays in it | Oct 17 14:00 |
| MinceR | s/is/os/ | Oct 17 14:00 |
| cubexyz | XFree86 used to have tinyX, which I miss | Oct 17 14:00 |
| cubexyz | I did want a simplified X11 on one machine | Oct 17 14:00 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://github.com/tinycorelinux/tinyx | Oct 17 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - tinycorelinux/tinyx | Oct 17 14:02 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: tinyx lasted past the end of Xfree86 | Oct 17 14:02 |
| cubexyz | oh didn't realize that | Oct 17 14:02 |
| cubexyz | tinycore seemed to concentrate more on small size rather than small memory usage | Oct 17 14:05 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://www.irif.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html this takes you back to tinyx first day kdrive. | Oct 17 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.irif.fr | The KDrive Tiny X Server | Oct 17 14:05 | |
| cubexyz | actually now I remember... I stopped using tinycore because BL3 did a better job of low-memory use | Oct 17 14:06 |
| cubexyz | but BL3 used Xvesa rather than TinyX | Oct 17 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Really the old Xfree86 tinyx was not the best memory usage. | Oct 17 14:07 |
| cubexyz | similar idea | Oct 17 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Oct 17 14:07 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://www.irif.fr/~jch/software/kdrive/ Note the kdrive download file. | Oct 17 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.irif.fr | KDrive servers | Oct 17 14:08 | |
| oiaohm | Yep xvesa | Oct 17 14:08 |
| cubexyz | odd, why call it kdrive if it's really Xvesa? | Oct 17 14:09 |
| oiaohm | tinyx and xvesa both items that Keith Packard worked on. | Oct 17 14:12 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: as I said not exactly. Both are attempt to be fairly light weight by the same person. | Oct 17 14:12 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: yes the optimisation of xvesa for size come out of kdrive. Basically kdrive is a common relation to tinyx and later xvesa work. | Oct 17 14:13 |
| cubexyz | yeah there's different versions | Oct 17 14:21 |
| cubexyz | TinyX is a family of X servers | Oct 17 14:21 |
| cubexyz | Xmach64, Xsis530, etc | Oct 17 14:22 |
| cubexyz | so that could include Xvesa (under the umbrella of XTiny servers) | Oct 17 14:22 |
| cubexyz | there was even Xmono :) | Oct 17 14:24 |
| cubexyz | old, old, old | Oct 17 14:24 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: X11 server history is a mangle mess of names. | Oct 17 14:28 |
| cubexyz | Kdrive isn't a good name | Oct 17 14:29 |
| MinceR | this | Oct 17 14:29 |
| XRevan86 | https://smbc-comics.com/comic/amalekite | Oct 17 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Amalekite | Oct 17 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | I like this comic series | Oct 17 14:59 |
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| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/llo1t0.jpg | Oct 17 20:08 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nL10C7FSbE | Oct 17 20:13 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101341 | Oct 17 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 17 22:46 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE and #openSUSE , Leap 15.1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116558 [https://pleroma.site/objects/560e930d-57ae-4f25-8ff1-571007241e6c] | Oct 18 02:16 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | X has been a collection of bad ideas, not just bad names. | Oct 18 03:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They accumulate and some are impossible to get rid of. | Oct 18 03:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There has also been a lot of mismanagement. It did not help that a new piece of hardware hit the market and none of the GNU/Linux distros supported it for a year or more because the XFree86 people wouldn't merge the drivers. | Oct 18 04:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The way hardware companies see it, when a piece of hardware goes up for sale, they're more or less finished with it. | Oct 18 04:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The biggest change with Windows 10 is that you'll be marooned with the last version that can run on your computer. You just don't know when. | Oct 18 04:02 |
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| MinceR | yeah, it's so bad that they don't force a particular window manager, compositor, gui toolkit or policy on you | Oct 18 07:22 |
| MinceR | good news: you can switch to any other windowing system and get your arm twisted right now! | Oct 18 07:22 |
| MinceR | https://hugelol.com/lol/550957 | Oct 18 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hugelol.com | Maths question: There are seven kids and you are tasked to divide 3 apples among them. How can you do so with only four cuts? | Oct 18 07:35 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550925.jpg | Oct 18 07:49 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: Windows 10 if you are lucky will leave you marooned on a working version. If you are unlucky will just update and leave you bricked instead. | Oct 18 10:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2018/Program/#lightning last entry > Wayland desktop components with layer shell | Oct 18 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org | Program | Oct 18 10:56 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Layer shell stuff may see the flexablity of wayland come to match X11 without the X11 security flaws caused by shell parts and application parts being treated exactly the same by X11 server. | Oct 18 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR Apple fan boy you <3 | Oct 18 10:58 |
| oiaohm | X11 has required to be taken back the the drawing board. It is taken quite a while to write a new set of specifications to-do everything X11 did but correctly. | Oct 18 11:02 |
| oiaohm | I guess wayland still needs a few more specifications yet. | Oct 18 11:02 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: i'll believe it when i see it | Oct 18 13:03 |
| MinceR | "X11 has required to be taken back the the drawing board." ...by people who don't even understand why the X design is the way it is | Oct 18 13:04 |
| MinceR | because everyone who really knew X has apparently already died. | Oct 18 13:04 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh Apple fan boy ! | Oct 18 13:07 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: really it was decided by those who knew how X11 is designed to take it back to the drawing board. There are many things in X11 protocol that make no sense on modern hardware. | Oct 18 13:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: like the idea of all screens being glued into a single image. | Oct 18 13:10 |
| MinceR | who would have thought that what X should have been all along is really windows or macOS | Oct 18 13:10 |
| oiaohm | No there are lot of things wrong about windows and macos as well. | Oct 18 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Windows and Macos lack proper security around applications. Xace attempt to make X11 secure but that run into X11 protocol problems. | Oct 18 13:11 |
| oiaohm | X11 has prototyped a lot things and shown the idea could possible work then be blocked because to make it work would result in breaking the X11 protocol. | Oct 18 13:12 |
| MinceR | ah yes, the "modern" crew spouting "security, security" as if they knew what it meant | Oct 18 13:14 |
| MinceR | but who expected anything else in 2018 | Oct 18 13:14 |
| MinceR | microsoft made people accept bullshitting about security 24/7 as a substitute for actual security | Oct 18 13:14 |
| oiaohm | The first prototypes of xace is only 1987 | Oct 18 13:14 |
| oiaohm | X11 attempt to make it work for over 2 decades. | Oct 18 13:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: this security line is not new. | Oct 18 13:15 |
| oiaohm | https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2009-April/008232.html << Yes it started life with the X security extention. | Oct 18 13:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freebsd.org | X SECURITY extension gone in latest Xorg; XACE not working? | Oct 18 13:16 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so how to make a secure desktop has been a on going problem. | Oct 18 13:17 |
| MinceR | apparently the proprietarydesktop crew decided that the solution is to remove all functionality | Oct 18 13:17 |
| MinceR | once you have a "computer" that can't do anything, it can no longer be compromised in a meaningful way. | Oct 18 13:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that been Microsoft solution for control systems needing security. | Oct 18 13:18 |
| MinceR | sort of | Oct 18 13:18 |
| oiaohm | You think wayland stripped Windows embedded takes that to a complete different level of stripped. | Oct 18 13:18 |
| MinceR | they've succeeded at removing functionality | Oct 18 13:18 |
| MinceR | they've failed at producing secure products | Oct 18 13:18 |
| MinceR | i predict that their lackeys at red hat will accomplish the exact same thing. | Oct 18 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Lot of wayland design is out of the X security and xace work. | Oct 18 13:19 |
| MinceR | who would have thought "security" means "no screenshots and no fps games" | Oct 18 13:20 |
| oiaohm | xace was using in government locations for about 2 decades. | Oct 18 13:20 |
| MinceR | i certainly never would have thought so. | Oct 18 13:20 |
| oiaohm | xace under X11 also kills screenshotting and fps counters and the like. | Oct 18 13:20 |
| oiaohm | and that is before wayland existed by over a decade. | Oct 18 13:20 |
| MinceR | great | Oct 18 13:20 |
| MinceR | nobody forced xace on me, though | Oct 18 13:20 |
| MinceR | nobody killed X11 so that there would only be xace | Oct 18 13:21 |
| MinceR | nobody pretended that the use cases compatible with xace were the only use cases that existed | Oct 18 13:21 |
| MinceR | and no, i'm not talking about fps counters | Oct 18 13:21 |
| MinceR | i'm talking about First Person Shooters | Oct 18 13:21 |
| MinceR | which rely on the ability to grab the pointer. | Oct 18 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Only use cases compadible with xace can the developers of X11 get funding to work on. | Oct 18 13:21 |
| MinceR | then i guess i'll have to reinvent x | Oct 18 13:22 |
| MinceR | the right way. | Oct 18 13:22 |
| oiaohm | So some of the wayland problem comes down to who pays the developers the wages. | Oct 18 13:22 |
| MinceR | i'll have to reinvent everything, because savages are ruining everything | Oct 18 13:22 |
| oiaohm | and most of wayland work is not paid for by redhat. | Oct 18 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Instead you are looking military. | Oct 18 13:22 |
| MinceR | it's done by their admirers instead | Oct 18 13:22 |
| oiaohm | No | Oct 18 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Military | Oct 18 13:23 |
| MinceR | people who have drunk the kool-aid | Oct 18 13:23 |
| oiaohm | Military love security. | Oct 18 13:23 |
| MinceR | military is not immune to stupidity, as is well known | Oct 18 13:23 |
| MinceR | iirc they even ran winblows on some supermodern jet plane | Oct 18 13:23 |
| MinceR | that's not security, that's stupidity. | Oct 18 13:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland#Input_grabbing_in_games.2C_remote_desktop_and_VM_windows A lot of the limitations that effected first person shooters and the like have been worked around with protocols added to wayland. | Oct 18 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | Wayland - ArchWiki | Oct 18 13:25 | |
| MinceR | yet wayland people claimed those features were not to happen, because they were insecure | Oct 18 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Wayland did start of way too bare bones. With the objective to lay down a solid core than extend from there. | Oct 18 13:26 |
| MinceR | and wayland people pushed for people to start using wayland implementations, even though it obviously wasn't ready for production | Oct 18 13:26 |
| MinceR | as it still isn't | Oct 18 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Those features have not been implemented exactly the same as the way X11 did them. | Oct 18 13:26 |
| MinceR | and they're already destroying x | Oct 18 13:26 |
| MinceR | without any true replacement for it | Oct 18 13:27 |
| MinceR | nobody said they had to be the same way | Oct 18 13:27 |
| oiaohm | The destorying X11 method was worked out before wayland started. As X11 developers started attempt to locate extentions added to X11 but never used. | Oct 18 13:28 |
| MinceR | thenks for reminding me of an item on the "things i must develop to save the world" list | Oct 18 13:28 |
| MinceR | s/hen/han/ | Oct 18 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Ask people what they using they basically never tell you. | Oct 18 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Break it they yell an scream. | Oct 18 13:28 |
| oiaohm | an/and | Oct 18 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Yes how were X11 extentions work out if anyone was using them. Intentionally apply patch to break the function and if no one complained in 12 months remove it. | Oct 18 13:29 |
| oiaohm | If someone complained put resources into maintaining that part. | Oct 18 13:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you are also forgoting what happened to ywindows and directfb and other attempts to modernnise the graphics stack. Without the threat of x11 deprecation getting a cleaner framework off the ground was not going to happen. | Oct 18 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways you wish this stuff could be done nicely but history says you try the nice path it never will happen. | Oct 18 13:32 |
| MinceR | if a "cleaner framework" means i can't make screenshots or play xonotic anymore, i'll pass. | Oct 18 13:32 |
| MinceR | if a "cleaner framework" means i have to run the massive backdoor the nsa ordered as root at all time and have it determine how my systems are to be configured, i'll pass. | Oct 18 13:33 |
| oiaohm | what happens if wayland end up with extention in time adding that back. | Oct 18 13:33 |
| MinceR | if they claim that cutting the window manager in half and welding one half of it into the windowing system and the other into the gui toolkit, i'll laugh in their face | Oct 18 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Stripping down to bare bones got people complaining about the features they truly needed. | Oct 18 13:34 |
| MinceR | s/kit,/kit is a "cleaner framework",/ | Oct 18 13:34 |
| MinceR | because that is not a "cleaner framework", it's a horrible mess. | Oct 18 13:34 |
| oiaohm | xace in military usage also end up with per application declarations. | Oct 18 13:34 |
| MinceR | i don't mind per application declarations | Oct 18 13:35 |
| oiaohm | CSD is not exactly new. xace in military usage use to start X11 applications without a windows manager. | Oct 18 13:35 |
| MinceR | i do mind the global bullshit | Oct 18 13:35 |
| MinceR | CSD is not new, it's merely stupid | Oct 18 13:36 |
| oiaohm | You know how when your windows manager crashed and you lost all your boarders. | Oct 18 13:36 |
| MinceR | and even microsoft learned a tiny bit of the lesson proprietarydesktop is adamantly refusing to learn | Oct 18 13:36 |
| oiaohm | CSD is not really 100 percent stupid. | Oct 18 13:36 |
| MinceR | yes it is | Oct 18 13:36 |
| oiaohm | CSD is a good fall back. | Oct 18 13:36 |
| MinceR | no it is not | Oct 18 13:36 |
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| oiaohm | It use to be a requirement on mil applications for X11 if X11 windows manager disappaer render your own boarders. | Oct 18 13:36 |
| MinceR | there's 1 use case for CSD and even that is frivolous: fully skinned applications | Oct 18 13:36 |
| MinceR | like xmms | Oct 18 13:36 |
| MinceR | (and i can override it in fvwm) | Oct 18 13:37 |
| MinceR | i have a better idea | Oct 18 13:37 |
| MinceR | if X11 window manager disappears, start another | Oct 18 13:37 |
| MinceR | we have modular systems for a reason | Oct 18 13:37 |
| MinceR | we wanted multiserver microkernel systems (which failed) for the same reason | Oct 18 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly right. You can end up in the HURD nightmare. | Oct 18 13:38 |
| MinceR | i didn't say restart automatically without limit. | Oct 18 13:38 |
| MinceR | you could try a few, configurable amount of times | Oct 18 13:38 |
| MinceR | you could let the user decide how to fix it. | Oct 18 13:38 |
| oiaohm | What do you do when you run out of your restart limits. | Oct 18 13:38 |
| MinceR | you could give them a terminal and explain what happened. | Oct 18 13:38 |
| oiaohm | and there is no windows manager than can start. | Oct 18 13:38 |
| MinceR | you could let them switch to a text console and fix it from there. | Oct 18 13:38 |
| oiaohm | User still need to be able to shut down their applications safely. | Oct 18 13:39 |
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| oiaohm | This is where the mil requirement of CSD comes in. | Oct 18 13:39 |
| MinceR | so what, if you have program A which could possibly crash, the solution is to just build its functionality into every other program? | Oct 18 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie windows manager goes south applications step up. | Oct 18 13:39 |
| MinceR | "i have 3 applications, but since every one of them can crash, all 3 of them have all the functionality of the others!" | Oct 18 13:39 |
| MinceR | this is even stupider design than "have 1 program do everything" (systemd) | Oct 18 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes that is military logic. | Oct 18 13:40 |
| MinceR | maybe they should stick to warfare and let sw engineers handle sw engineering | Oct 18 13:40 |
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| oiaohm | Remember military is who is paying most of the developers wages. | Oct 18 13:41 |
| MinceR | and wasting their time as well | Oct 18 13:42 |
| MinceR | and forcing them to develop ill-designed software | Oct 18 13:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so we are a little too late to keep military out of software engineering. | Oct 18 13:42 |
| MinceR | no, we are not | Oct 18 13:42 |
| MinceR | we can pull a Linux and start over in our own circle | Oct 18 13:42 |
| MinceR | but do it wiser and never let the likes of red hat and microsoft infiltrate it | Oct 18 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Valve with backing of gamers only can put in 1/1000 the mil will. | Oct 18 13:43 |
| MinceR | valve doesn't care about free software | Oct 18 13:43 |
| oiaohm | exactly. Neither does military that much. Military care that the software can be audited. | Oct 18 13:44 |
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| MinceR | so which wayland implementation does the military use? | Oct 18 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Majority of parties paying for freesoftware development don't really care about freesoftware. | Oct 18 13:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: weston a lot. | Oct 18 13:45 |
| MinceR | so how do they audit systemd, on which weston depends? | Oct 18 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Its a lot simpler to audit systemd than attempt to audit MS windows. | Oct 18 13:45 |
| MinceR | also, don't they have anything less pointless to shovel money into? | Oct 18 13:45 |
| MinceR | that's not saying much | Oct 18 13:46 |
| oiaohm | But that is what military will compare to if it cost effective or not. | Oct 18 13:46 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: as you said military can be idiots. | Oct 18 13:47 |
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| cubexyz | XRevan86, I haven't thought about those Star Trek NG season one episodes in a long time | Oct 18 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: The last two episodes of the season are probably the best | Oct 18 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | could be because they are actually trying to have a plot :) | Oct 18 20:10 |
| cubexyz | encounter at farpoint, datalore, the big goodbye <- those are the ones I remember the best | Oct 18 20:11 |
| cubexyz | I don't think they ever referred back to the parasites in "Conspiracy" | Oct 18 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That got evident from S02E01 :) | Oct 18 20:16 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Even though they apparently wanted to make that the story ark, apparently they shoved it away. | Oct 18 20:16 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Oh well, we already have Goaul'd ;) | Oct 18 20:17 |
| cubexyz | the parasites basically got replaced by the borg | Oct 18 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: spoilers | Oct 18 20:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Should I say that Picard is the best part of the series? | Oct 18 20:22 |
| XRevan86 | He is estonishingly charming | Oct 18 20:22 |
| XRevan86 | * astonishingly | Oct 18 20:22 |
| cubexyz | Patrick Stewart is highly regarded, yes | Oct 18 20:23 |
| cubexyz | he did "A Christmas Carol" back in 1999 | Oct 18 20:25 |
| XRevan86 | another one? | Oct 18 20:26 |
| cubexyz | yeah there's tons and tons :) | Oct 18 20:26 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptations_of_A_Christmas_Carol stop | Oct 18 20:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Adaptations of A Christmas Carol - Wikipedia | Oct 18 20:26 | |
| cubexyz | well, in general | Oct 18 20:27 |
| cubexyz | two Patrick Stewart ones :) | Oct 18 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: two!? O_O | Oct 18 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | I don't get what's so special about this story, that even MLP:FiM incorporated an adaptation of it | Oct 18 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | and Doctor Who | Oct 18 20:29 |
| cubexyz | yes, that is a bit odd | Oct 18 20:29 |
| cubexyz | there's also a Barbie one :) | Oct 18 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | > Barbie stars as the female version of Ebenezer Scrooge | Oct 18 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | that made me laugh | Oct 18 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Klingon_Christmas_Carol | Oct 18 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | A Klingon Christmas Carol - Wikipedia | Oct 18 20:31 | |
| XRevan86 | I wonder why there isn't a Casper one | Oct 18 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | though there probably is | Oct 18 20:35 |
| cubexyz | that you know of :) | Oct 18 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yea :) | Oct 18 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | Hm, which is the most re-used story ever? | Oct 18 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | Sherlock Holmes maybe? | Oct 18 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | I wanted to see some list with derivative works, so I entered into a search engine "A Christmas Carol Sherlock Holmes" | Oct 18 20:41 |
| XRevan86 | I did not know what I was about to do… | Oct 18 20:41 |
| XRevan86 | > Sherlock Holmes and the Case of the Christmas Carol is a British play | Oct 18 20:41 |
| XRevan86 | https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YetAnotherChristmasCarol hah | Oct 18 20:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tvtropes.org | Yet Another Christmas Carol - TV Tropes | Oct 18 20:42 | |
| XRevan86 | Ah, yes, there's also It's a Wonderful Life | Oct 18 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | > Sister Trope to How the Character Stole Christmas, Christmas Every Day, "Gift of the Magi" Plot, and It's a Wonderful Plot. | Oct 18 20:44 |
| MinceR | i prefer How Christians Stole Lupercalia | Oct 18 20:52 |
| cubexyz | well, chocolate easter bunnies :) | Oct 18 21:00 |
| cubexyz | lots of things don't make any sense | Oct 18 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Is that a tradition thing? | Oct 18 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | new things are learnt every day :) | Oct 18 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paskha | Oct 18 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Paskha - Wikipedia | Oct 18 21:03 | |
| XRevan86 | > Cyrillic letters which stands for Христосъ Воскресе. This is the Slavonic form of the traditional Paschal greeting: "Christ is Risen!" | Oct 18 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | Do Catholics chant "Christ is Risen!" too to everyone? | Oct 18 21:04 |
| MinceR | i'm blissfully unaware of it | Oct 18 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: lucky | Oct 18 21:04 |
| MinceR | though the kiddie-fuckers already make too much noise around me as it is | Oct 18 21:04 |
| MinceR | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164477673584853001/502581302076375040/Screenshot_from_2018-10-18_16-34-32.png | Oct 18 21:40 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550855.jpg | Oct 18 22:25 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550754.jpg | Oct 18 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I switched car insurance companies after my current one tried sneaking through a 40% rate hike. | Oct 18 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got so mad about it that I bought a policy from a different company and then canceled the current one right away. | Oct 18 23:02 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, most of their clients won't | Oct 18 23:03 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550742.jpg | Oct 18 23:04 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR (IRC): They give you really good rates to start out and then they start boiling the frog, and before you know it, you're not saving any money at all. | Oct 18 23:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She tried blaming it on a "statewide increase" and said it wasn't anything I did. I told her that they should prepare to lose more customers. | Oct 18 23:17 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/j2vOCQX.jpg | Oct 18 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | > I Firmly Believe This Is Not Mustard And I Am Horribly Wrong | Oct 18 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | I know the feel. | Oct 18 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | I've tried a relatively expensive imported German mustard, after that it was thrown into trash | Oct 18 23:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 18 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have a massive new ad campaign on the CTA. | Oct 18 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gotta pay for it somehow, I guess. | Oct 18 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they actually continued to have good rates, few customers would ever cancel, and many would tell their friends, which would be free advertising. | Oct 18 23:44 |
| MinceR | s/Lupercalia/Saturnalia/ | Oct 18 23:46 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/8E1T6j3.jpg | Oct 18 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | [17:46] <kaniini> schestowitz i'm going to have the box up today, we're going to provision on the legacy network for now and move your subnet over when we are certain all the bugs are worked out | Oct 19 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Excellent! Thank you! | Oct 19 01:59 |
| kaniini | still working on that | Oct 19 01:59 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Oct 19 02:09 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I was downstate for several days hiking the state park system. | Oct 19 02:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Got a fresh stone chip on my car to use touch up pen on, but other than that, it was a good week. Very relaxing. | Oct 19 02:13 |
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| cubexyz | apple, lenovo, Asus, Acer laptops... not very repairable | Oct 19 19:10 |
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| cubexyz | actually I'll go further... laptops are generally a pain to repair | Oct 19 19:10 |
| cubexyz | Dell too | Oct 19 19:10 |
| cubexyz | just poor... some of it is simply bad design | Oct 19 19:10 |
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| cubexyz | HP Elitebook 840 got top marks for repairability on ifixit | Oct 19 19:15 |
| cubexyz | oh, and the microsoft surface laptop got a _zero_ | Oct 19 19:16 |
| cubexyz | "this laptop is not meant to be opened or repaired" | Oct 19 19:17 |
| cubexyz | not that I think anyone here will buy one, but avoid at all costs | Oct 19 19:17 |
| cubexyz | cs | Oct 19 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I'm watching S02E04 | Oct 19 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Mr. Data is trying to learn what is funny | Oct 19 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Whilst watching, I relate to Data. | Oct 19 20:08 |
| cubexyz | yeah I remember it | Oct 19 20:09 |
| cubexyz | Joe Piscopo emulating Jerry Lewis | Oct 19 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Just saw that | Oct 19 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I did feel something | Oct 19 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | probably cringe | Oct 19 20:10 |
| cubexyz | yeah not that good | Oct 19 20:11 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1810116 | Oct 19 20:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 19 20:19 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101976 | Oct 19 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 19 20:35 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/4nj55jt.jpg | Oct 19 20:53 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101953 | Oct 19 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 19 21:14 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Men are 25 times more privileged. Coincidence? | Oct 19 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | </stupid> | Oct 19 21:15 |
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| MinceR | XRevan86: [citation needed] | Oct 19 21:15 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101935 | Oct 19 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 19 22:24 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: A joke that was | Oct 19 22:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 19 23:52 | |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, did you ever watch Star Trek TOS? | Oct 19 23:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: no :) | Oct 19 23:55 |
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| cubexyz | I guess it wasn't shown in Russia very much | Oct 20 00:01 |
| cubexyz | it's been in reruns a million times in North America | Oct 20 00:01 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Star Trek TOS lot of people know. Did you ever see the animated series | Oct 20 00:01 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I don't think I ever saw Star Trek on television | Oct 20 00:01 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, yes, I even bought some VHS tapes | Oct 20 00:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's not very popular in Russia indeed, regardless of which series. | Oct 20 00:02 |
| XRevan86 | Of course, Internet makes it spread anyway, but ST:TOS doesn't really have much of an appeal | Oct 20 00:03 |
| cubexyz | at least watch one.... Devil in the Dark | Oct 20 00:03 |
| cubexyz | Russia used VHS also right? | Oct 20 00:05 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Indeed | Oct 20 00:05 |
| XRevan86 | and SECAM | Oct 20 00:05 |
| XRevan86 | but I think most non-pirated VHS were PAL | Oct 20 00:06 |
| XRevan86 | and non-recorded | Oct 20 00:07 |
| XRevan86 | hah | Oct 20 00:16 |
| XRevan86 | found one on a russian tracker, and no one's seeding it | Oct 20 00:16 |
| XRevan86 | quite a fanbase | Oct 20 00:16 |
| cubexyz | we have a channel in Canada called "Space" and they rerun a lot of star trek shows | Oct 20 00:17 |
| cubexyz | Stargate also | Oct 20 00:17 |
| XRevan86 | TV in Russia is useless | Oct 20 00:18 |
| XRevan86 | it did influence popularity of Doctor Who and Scrubs more than ten years ago | Oct 20 00:19 |
| XRevan86 | but right now people just find out about stuff from the Internet | Oct 20 00:20 |
| XRevan86 | dunno what people are watching right now %( | Oct 20 00:21 |
| XRevan86 | %) | Oct 20 00:21 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Jetson TX2, Gemini Lake, and Kaby Lake based mini-PCs run Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116641 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2fc3339d-9e93-4a9a-b637-5ef91876a72c] | Oct 20 00:21 | |
| XRevan86 | definitely not ST:TOS :P | Oct 20 00:21 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: S01E25 appears to be a part of a multi-episode ark | Oct 20 00:22 |
| XRevan86 | and not the first part | Oct 20 00:22 |
| XRevan86 | or is that just exposition? | Oct 20 00:23 |
| cubexyz | that episode was banned in the UK :) | Oct 20 00:25 |
| cubexyz | at least initially | Oct 20 00:25 |
| cubexyz | in Canada we just got a warning message | Oct 20 00:25 |
| XRevan86 | it's that good? ;) | Oct 20 00:25 |
| MinceR | 20 012137 <+XRevan86> dunno what people are watching right now %( | Oct 20 00:26 |
| MinceR | whatever the web brigades place in front of them? :> | Oct 20 00:26 |
| cubexyz | well Remmick kind of explodes at the end, I guess it was pretty violent | Oct 20 00:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Possibly just "dude, you've got to see this" | Oct 20 00:27 |
| MinceR | well, it being violent enough to get a warning is a good sign | Oct 20 00:27 |
| cubexyz | Conspiracy is just a one parter | Oct 20 00:28 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/V728_qPZL7I?t=80 | Oct 20 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Tree of Harmony Disintegrates the Mean 6 - MLP: Friendship Is Magic [Season 8] - YouTube | Oct 20 00:28 | |
| cubexyz | they never refer back to it afterwards | Oct 20 00:28 |
| MinceR | "War... It's fantastic!" | Oct 20 00:28 |
| XRevan86 | ^ a faaaamily picture | Oct 20 00:29 |
| cubexyz | note that a lot of popular movies have "war" as part of the title | Oct 20 00:29 |
| MinceR | Thought for the day: Violence solves everything. | Oct 20 00:29 |
| XRevan86 | That's the toned down version, it looked slightly different in the leaked version of the episode %) | Oct 20 00:30 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-FUkH_tkR0 | Oct 20 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-War! It's Fantastic! - YouTube | Oct 20 00:30 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: nice | Oct 20 00:31 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/skoTwO6meDA ah, there we go | Oct 20 00:32 |
| cubexyz | ok, Remmick was also in episode 19 | Oct 20 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My Little Pony S8E13 "The Mean Six" censorship COMPARISON - YouTube | Oct 20 00:32 | |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I'm looking at the way Mr. Spock has shaved and cannot help but think – was there ever a bearded Vulcan in the series? | Oct 20 00:35 |
| cubexyz | yes, Spock has a beard in an alternate reality :) | Oct 20 00:36 |
| cubexyz | Mirror, Mirror | Oct 20 00:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: ah | Oct 20 00:36 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror,_Mirror_%28Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series%29 | Oct 20 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mirror, Mirror (Star Trek: The Original Series) - Wikipedia | Oct 20 00:37 | |
| cubexyz | well, a goatee and mustache at least | Oct 20 00:37 |
| XRevan86 | and his shades are way too obvious, but I'm sure someone's commented on it %) | Oct 20 00:37 |
| cubexyz | I'm pretty sure they used at least some of the Star Trek movies in Russia | Oct 20 00:39 |
| cubexyz | s/used/showed/ | Oct 20 00:39 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Don't know about that | Oct 20 00:40 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I've seen the first one | Oct 20 00:40 |
| XRevan86 | the dullest thing ever | Oct 20 00:40 |
| cubexyz | ok, you must mean Star Trek: The Motion Picture :) | Oct 20 00:41 |
| XRevan86 | definitely safely can be trimmed down 3 times without losing anything of value | Oct 20 00:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yes | Oct 20 00:41 |
| cubexyz | I don't know why it was so slow | Oct 20 00:41 |
| XRevan86 | and the plot is not that great either | Oct 20 00:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I suspect they tried to pull a Space Odyssey or a Blade Runner | Oct 20 00:42 |
| XRevan86 | except not realising that there visuals are not that great | Oct 20 00:43 |
| cubexyz | well, some say... yes... more Odyssey than Blade Runner | Oct 20 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | I've seen Blade Runner two times | Oct 20 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But you may find interesting that Star Wars was shown in theatres of USSR :) | Oct 20 00:45 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe you've confused the two | Oct 20 00:46 |
| cubexyz | this one web page says "not until 1990" | Oct 20 00:46 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/BseCxlO | Oct 20 00:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Huh. - Album on Imgur | Oct 20 00:46 | |
| cubexyz | does that match your experience? | Oct 20 00:46 |
| cubexyz | no, I've seen both movies... | Oct 20 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: There've been earlier shows, but 1990, yes | Oct 20 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | en masse | Oct 20 00:48 |
| cubexyz | I thought Blade Runner was pretty good | Oct 20 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/dubikvit/65747770/4339409/4339409_original.jpg | Oct 20 00:50 |
| XRevan86 | The ultimate proof that Vader was a puma | Oct 20 00:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 20 00:53 |
| MinceR | isn't that a mashup of characters? | Oct 20 00:53 |
| MinceR | at least vader+chewbacca | Oct 20 00:53 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: There's definitely a cat element there | Oct 20 00:53 |
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| cubexyz | one of the cyrillic letters looks like a number | Oct 20 00:54 |
| MinceR | z looks like 3, o looks like 0 | Oct 20 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | ζ → З | Oct 20 00:55 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: Screenshot, inxi, Weblate, Wine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116643 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4e864630-a6ea-4b47-b93a-84588ea8dc20] | Oct 20 00:56 | |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Let's just say, the collision wasn't intentional :) | Oct 20 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | but probably inevitable with simple forms like that | Oct 20 00:59 |
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| cubexyz | XRevan86, ok, I looked at a good picture of the Electronika BK-0010 | Oct 20 01:02 |
| cubexyz | on that I can see they are different | Oct 20 01:02 |
| cubexyz | the letter is wider than the numeral 3 | Oct 20 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | З3 | Oct 20 01:03 |
| XRevan86 | I suppose | Oct 20 01:03 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I don't think I'd write 3 and З any different myself | Oct 20 01:03 |
| cubexyz | http://bukosek.si/hardware/collection/elektronika-bk-0010-01/img/bk-0010-01-front-view.jpg | Oct 20 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | In some fonts even "Κ" and "К" differ | Oct 20 01:04 |
| cubexyz | or is that a different letter? | Oct 20 01:04 |
| cubexyz | confusing | Oct 20 01:04 |
| MinceR | latin K vs cyrillic K | Oct 20 01:05 |
| MinceR | so i guess it's better to use lowercase o to obfuscate :> | Oct 20 01:05 |
| MinceR | (cyrillic lowercase o vs latin lowercase o) | Oct 20 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | ОO0oо | Oct 20 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | + Οο | Oct 20 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Unicode is turning into a complete mess. | Oct 20 01:06 |
| MinceR | lI1lI1I111IlIl111III1l11llI111II1I11l1ll | Oct 20 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: 🔥 | Oct 20 01:06 |
| MinceR | it turned into a complete mess when the geniuses invented han unification | Oct 20 01:06 |
| oiaohm | One of my famally trees starts in russia and crosses all of the EU to end up in england. | Oct 20 01:06 |
| oiaohm | those in their writing did not make the divides like Unicode horriblely does. | Oct 20 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: divides? | Oct 20 01:07 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: like the multi letter o and so on. | Oct 20 01:07 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 20 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: If there weren't separate letters, then… would you merge Latin and Greek alphabets too? | Oct 20 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Mind you its a fun famally tree to follow thinking they slighting altered spellings of last name every time they change country. | Oct 20 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | the Greek alphabet is usually drawn differently, more elaborately, but there's no technical reason for that | Oct 20 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: So they were Vasya Pupkin and Natasha Pupkina but turned into John and Lily Potter? :) | Oct 20 01:09 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: general fast writing does in greece does not demard that more elaborately stuff. | Oct 20 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I bet | Oct 20 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: but your font probably won't agree | Oct 20 01:10 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: gatkins, gatekins.... There are only 84 know spelling of their last name. Sound stays the same. Yes they would change they spelling of their last name even if it was a day trip over a boarder. | Oct 20 01:11 |
| XRevan86 | though in Roboto I cannot tell the difference between "κ" (Greek) and "к" (Cyrillic) (: | Oct 20 01:11 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Гаткин? | Oct 20 01:12 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yep. | Oct 20 01:13 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I don't have russian keyboard. | Oct 20 01:13 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Ι δον'τ χαβ α Γκηηκ ονε | Oct 20 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | not very consistent, oh well | Oct 20 01:15 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: fast way attempt to start solving the tree was say to the different people from different countries in your language how would you write a name that sounds like this. | Oct 20 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Then you would even find trade documents with both names. | Oct 20 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | s/Γκηηκ/Γρηηκ/ | Oct 20 01:16 |
| oiaohm | He bought this in X country having it delivered to Y person name in Y country. Hang on first name and last name when you take then to sound are basically the same. | Oct 20 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Doesn't seem like a common surname, BTW | Oct 20 01:17 |
| cubexyz | компьютер | Oct 20 01:17 |
| XRevan86 | but I can find a medical doctor and a samba teacher with that surname :) | Oct 20 01:17 |
| XRevan86 | some cosmetics businessman | Oct 20 01:18 |
| cubexyz | I don't have a russian keyboard but I try transliteration sometimes | Oct 20 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Not in russia any more had to leave one of the historic prosecutions Romani people. Even that this blood line is not Romani they were doing lots of trading and got basically mixed up in it. | Oct 20 01:19 |
| cubexyz | Преевыет | Oct 20 01:19 |
| cubexyz | Как вас завоот? | Oct 20 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I wasn't aware of Romani prosecutions in Russia | Oct 20 01:20 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: You're probably trying to transliterate English hacks | Oct 20 01:20 |
| XRevan86 | like "oo" to ensure it's really an "u" and not an "a" (like in "dumb") | Oct 20 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: You'd have to be more literal than that ;) | Oct 20 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | literally literal, heh | Oct 20 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | "i" for "ee", not "ay" | Oct 20 01:22 |
| cubexyz | Я панеемаю | Oct 20 01:24 |
| cubexyz | nope, that's probably not right either | Oct 20 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | понимаю | Oct 20 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | ponimayu | Oct 20 01:25 |
| cubexyz | понимаю | Oct 20 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: bingo | Oct 20 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | alright, 13 minutes of the episode watched | Oct 20 01:27 |
| XRevan86 | what I think: that "rock" is an egg | Oct 20 01:27 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: its more indirect prosecutions. https://article.wn.com/view/2017/07/15/Ninety_years_ago_the_Czechoslovak_authorities_issued_law_on_/ Stuff like this. Now when you are a trader fairly highly educated who does business by buying and selling products and transporting stuff cross boarders for profit. These kind of restriction come very problemmatic. | Oct 20 01:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-article.wn.com | Ninety years ago the Czechoslovak authorities issued law on "wandering gypsies", took fingerprints for "gypsy ... - Worldnews.com | Oct 20 01:27 | |
| cubexyz | завтра в 10:10 | Oct 20 01:27 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: утра или вечера? | Oct 20 01:27 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: and of course communism was not good for business either. | Oct 20 01:28 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Did they leave after the end of NEP? | Oct 20 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | circa 1930 | Oct 20 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Either way, that's Czechoslovakia, not Russia/USSR… | Oct 20 01:31 |
| XRevan86 | Fun fact: gypsy folklore are a big part of the Russian Romance music style (as probably indicated by the name :)) | Oct 20 01:34 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: working out exactly when they left is fairly tricky. Thinking records back into the 1800 have trading all the way from spain to Moscow. England comes after 1917 | Oct 20 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_romance | Oct 20 01:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russian romance - Wikipedia | Oct 20 01:34 | |
| cubexyz | you asked am or pm :) | Oct 20 01:34 |
| cubexyz | I am so slow | Oct 20 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: heh, yes, I did :) | Oct 20 01:35 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: fairly much the equal to long hall truck drivers today where they basically lived on the road. | Oct 20 01:35 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: In writing that question doesn't normally occur though, because the 12 hour clock is normally used only in speech ;) | Oct 20 01:36 |
| XRevan86 | Мы соберёмся в 17:30, в полшестого. | Oct 20 01:37 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Oh no, I just realised | Oct 20 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Mr. Spock and Mr. Data play the same role exactly | Oct 20 01:39 |
| cubexyz | similar | Oct 20 01:39 |
| cubexyz | Spock is half human | Oct 20 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | Captain to Spock: "Speculate" | Oct 20 01:39 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: You are right is the gypsy inside russia is the great purge with commonism going after so called wealthy peasants. Traders between countries were quite wealthy people and owning land in different countries to produce different products to sell was highly useful. | Oct 20 01:39 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: you are right is not gypsy inside russia<< Sorry I missed not. | Oct 20 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Ah, so раскулачивание was the reason? | Oct 20 01:40 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: basically they were a very early multi national. | Oct 20 01:40 |
| oiaohm | that got ruined by different pursecutions. | Oct 20 01:41 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: some was route to russia blocked by the the anti gypisy stuff. | Oct 20 01:42 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: so its not just 1 reason why everything ended up a mess. | Oct 20 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Yeah, makes sense, the XXth century was rich with… events | Oct 20 01:43 |
| oiaohm | With all those events think you are trying to run a multi national trading and production company. | Oct 20 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Its not really a good time to be doing taht. | Oct 20 01:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I see redshirts | Oct 20 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: ST:TNG doesn't have those | Oct 20 01:45 |
| *XRevan86 is considering them already dead | Oct 20 01:45 | |
| XRevan86 | one done | Oct 20 01:46 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, watch "The Changeling" for maximum red shirt deaths :) | Oct 20 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I'm a changeling, see me change | Oct 20 01:48 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Thinking redshirts in early star trek fairly much equals 100 percent sure to be dead if you went on away mission that kind of had to change. | Oct 20 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: You know about The Doors, right? (: | Oct 20 01:48 |
| cubexyz | the rock band? | Oct 20 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yes | Oct 20 01:49 |
| cubexyz | a little before my time but yes, I know about them :) | Oct 20 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: In TNG almost no one died | Oct 20 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | * dies | Oct 20 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Fairly well known in Russia, actually. | Oct 20 01:50 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: some do kind die and get brought back. They also the ones in red uniforms. | Oct 20 01:51 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: basically startrek you uniform red you are in trouble at some point. | Oct 20 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | And in TNG Picard wears a redshirt | Oct 20 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if that's a statement of some kind | Oct 20 01:52 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: remember Picard gets done in by the borg. | Oct 20 01:52 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: as I say kind of dies. | Oct 20 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: spoilers | Oct 20 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | > Not animal tissue, what is it? | Oct 20 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | foam rubber | Oct 20 01:54 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: you mean the uniform in star trek if you had watched the star trek animation serses you would have seen them say by story it the uniform is meant to be made from a algue based product. | Oct 20 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Just a quite from the episode | Oct 20 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | quote | Oct 20 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | a piece of a creature fell off | Oct 20 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | Kirk was looking at it closely | Oct 20 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | and wondering what it's made of | Oct 20 01:57 |
| cubexyz | what are you watching? | Oct 20 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: TOS S01E25 like you suggested | Oct 20 01:57 |
| cubexyz | oh, Devil in the Dark | Oct 20 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | Kirk really doesn't mind a genocide | Oct 20 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | Hm, Spock seems like half-human | Oct 20 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | half-calculator | Oct 20 02:02 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: its from eposide 11 out the animates star trek seriess. Dr Spock states "Uniform made of algae based zolion" Last bit zolion is spelt wrong. | Oct 20 02:03 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: this is to explain why Uniform and crew are shrinking at same pace. | Oct 20 02:03 |
| oiaohm | https://theswatchbook.offsetwarehouse.com/2017/05/11/new-sustainable-seaweed-fabric-seacell/ there is something kind of close that is real now. | Oct 20 02:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theswatchbook.offsetwarehouse.com | A New Sustainable Seaweed Fabric... SeaCell! | Oct 20 02:04 | |
| XRevan86 | I prefer fungi-based clothing materials, thankyouverymuch | Oct 20 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | Kirk just used yards | Oct 20 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | I'm pretty sure in TNG everyone used SI | Oct 20 02:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes the old series is full of imperial measurements. | Oct 20 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | bad for me, I guess %) | Oct 20 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | Now we know in what century the US will lose the imperial system | Oct 20 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | just three to go | Oct 20 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Who says. | Oct 20 02:10 |
| oiaohm | https://www.simscale.com/blog/2017/12/nasa-mars-climate-orbiter-metric/ | Oct 20 02:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.simscale.com | When NASA Lost a Spacecraft Due to a Metric Math Mistake | Oct 20 02:10 | |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17350-nasa-criticised-for-sticking-to-imperial-units/ There have been a long list of NASA problems due to using both metric and imperial. | Oct 20 02:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newscientist.com | NASA criticised for sticking to imperial units | New Scientist | Oct 20 02:12 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/RCDOKpG.gifv | Oct 20 02:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Triple the cat, triple the cuteness! | Oct 20 02:12 | |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: so for space work everything is going metric. Of course that does not mean internal USA cannot remain imperial just to be annoying. | Oct 20 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I'm surprised it was ever there in any amount in science. | Oct 20 02:13 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: all the historic USA spacecraft plans were all done in imperial. | Oct 20 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | barbarians (: | Oct 20 02:15 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I also find it fun that Russian imperial units and Uk imperial units had two differenet measuements for yard. | Oct 20 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | ah, after the copy-paste in the XIXth century? | Oct 20 02:18 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: 2 and 1/3 feet Russian yard and 3 feet for the Uk yard. | Oct 20 02:18 |
| oiaohm | Those trading between countries would used feet and inches as those were kind of constant. | Oct 20 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Yards was path to be in complete trouble. | Oct 20 02:19 |
| *XRevan86 is thinking | Oct 20 02:20 | |
| XRevan86 | I know there were pounds, foots | Oct 20 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | but yards? | Oct 20 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | tell me, Wikipedia | Oct 20 02:20 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsolete_Russian_units_of_measurement | Oct 20 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Obsolete Russian units of measurement - Wikipedia | Oct 20 02:20 | |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: arshin ? | Oct 20 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, arshin | Oct 20 02:21 |
| oiaohm | sazhen / fathom also is not a 1 to 1 alignment. | Oct 20 02:22 |
| XRevan86 | it also seems like the logic behind a yard differs | Oct 20 02:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes the logic differs but then you straight dictoary translate says they are the same wellcome to supplier hell. | Oct 20 02:24 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: so something has arshin written on it is this Russia measured item or someone who incorrectly dictorary translated from english yard. | Oct 20 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | Good thing this all is behind us all :) | Oct 20 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Actually it's translated as "ярд" | Oct 20 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | commonly in books | Oct 20 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | "мы прошли 5 ярдов", etc. | Oct 20 02:25 |
| oiaohm | The english/latin written form of it use to turn up when trading. | Oct 20 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | pound → фунт (funt), inch → дюйм (dyuym) | Oct 20 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | Thanks to the US, that still turns up | Oct 20 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | 20'' inch screen | Oct 20 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | * 20'' screen | Oct 20 02:28 |
| oiaohm | funt for pound and fut for feet use to be problem. | Oct 20 02:28 |
| oiaohm | Particularly if you had a item that could be measured by length or weight. | Oct 20 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | The UK currency is called "funt sterlingov" | Oct 20 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | фунт стерлингов | Oct 20 02:29 |
| oiaohm | Exactly this is the problem. | Oct 20 02:29 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/552964.png | Oct 20 02:29 |
| oiaohm | Stuff written in english would be 1 to 1 translated to russia and stuff written in russia would be 1 to 1 translated to english or half form. | Oct 20 02:29 |
| oiaohm | Depending on what translated everything could go to hell. | Oct 20 02:30 |
| oiaohm | To be correct all languages in the EU. With all the slight differences in imperial from country to country very little trustable once you translated enough times. | Oct 20 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: One cannot assume just from language what country's standard is employed %) | Oct 20 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Oct 20 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Feet, inch and pounds were stable. All other measures you could be fairly well screwed over. | Oct 20 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | 02/03/16 – after all, in just English-speaking countries a date written like that still creates an ambiguity | Oct 20 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Metric is quite good. | Oct 20 02:32 |
| oiaohm | We have a lot of mesures that are not guess the country. | Oct 20 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | "2016-03-02" never creates any questions ever | Oct 20 02:33 |
| oiaohm | Sorry pound is wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_(mass) | Oct 20 02:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pound (mass) - Wikipedia | Oct 20 02:34 | |
| oiaohm | Pound is one huge mess. | Oct 20 02:34 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Trading between countries in the time of imperial effectively required quite high math skill to work out if the price you were buying stuff at was correct or rip off. | Oct 20 02:36 |
| oiaohm | My relations stay well clear of england for a long time because it was bad enough dealing with weights without dealing with english currency. | Oct 20 02:37 |
| oiaohm | http://logicmgmt.com/1876/living/money.htm << This you got to be kidding me you don't need a money system this complex. | Oct 20 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-logicmgmt.com | Victorian Money - 1876 Victorian England Revisited | Oct 20 02:39 | |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: legacy | Oct 20 02:41 |
| oiaohm | Really england was at one point known to have the worst to handle currency in the known world. | Oct 20 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Not just legacy just pure bad. | Oct 20 02:45 |
| XRevan86 | At least the US didn't pick that up, amirite? | Oct 20 02:45 |
| oiaohm | The revolt in US moved the to the Dollar decimal currency(yes metric based currency) from the UK pound. Yet they keep the varitation from UK weight and measurements. | Oct 20 02:47 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: You also forget temperature | Oct 20 02:48 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. The different in the gallon US gallon 1.2= 1 UK gallon. this is kind of nasty. I sell you 6 US gallon a UK gallon price and as a trader I am up nice bit of profit while claiming I am selling to you at cost. | Oct 20 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the US measure stuff up is so traders could rip their customers off and make profit. | Oct 20 02:51 |
| oiaohm | So the reason why USA did not go metric is it would not have been profitable to traders. | Oct 20 02:52 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: This makes too much sense | Oct 20 02:52 |
| oiaohm | It is the true story. | Oct 20 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the differences in measures were used by traders to rip customers off. | Oct 20 02:53 |
| MinceR | afaik there was also the argument that they'd have to compete against immigrant workers more if they used comprehensible units | Oct 20 02:53 |
| MinceR | probably much later | Oct 20 02:53 |
| XRevan86 | let's obfuscate more, for security | Oct 20 02:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that was a arguement dreamed up the traders. | Oct 20 02:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 20 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Having the people happy to keeping on using incompible units so traders can rip them off is kind of important. | Oct 20 02:55 |
| oiaohm | Remember traders are commonly from countries outside the country they are trading with. | Oct 20 02:55 |
| oiaohm | So are basically immigrant workers themeselves. | Oct 20 02:56 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I've heard that in Australia shops tend to regress back to pounds because numbers seem more significant for the same price | Oct 20 02:56 |
| MinceR | they should use micrograms | Oct 20 02:58 |
| oiaohm | Most Australian shops changed to metric quickly. | Oct 20 02:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: too obvious | Oct 20 02:58 |
| MinceR | decigrams, then | Oct 20 02:58 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because it meant less complex cash registers. | Oct 20 02:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Not so bad an episode | Oct 20 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: not true then | Oct 20 03:00 |
| XRevan86 | Or is there a catch? :) | Oct 20 03:01 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: it a catch. The change over was a mess. You had like bags of flour and the like prepackaged in pounds and priced in pounds. | Oct 20 03:02 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: so it took a little while for Australian shops to change everything over. | Oct 20 03:02 |
| oiaohm | So shops were regressing to pound because that meant less relabel work. | Oct 20 03:03 |
| oiaohm | As those products got cleared the pound usage disappeared. | Oct 20 03:03 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: ah :) | Oct 20 03:04 |
| oiaohm | Recently we got what called standard unit pricing http://consumersfederation.org.au/making-grocery-unit-prices-easier-to-notice-and-read/ | Oct 20 03:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consumersfederation.org.au | Making grocery unit prices easier to notice and read - Consumers' Federation of Australia | Oct 20 03:05 | |
| oiaohm | So 100g 1k... You must give a price for the product in a mass/volume amount starting with 1 followed by 0 if required in metric unit with the price for that, | Oct 20 03:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: nice | Oct 20 03:07 |
| oiaohm | Each of these changes always causes some retail kick back. Removing retailer ablity to trick end users always is argued against. | Oct 20 03:07 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I'm not that easy to trick, but I'd like to lift this burden from my brain too | Oct 20 03:08 |
| oiaohm | Fair trade should be nice on everyone. | Oct 20 03:09 |
| XRevan86 | I meant in the local area where I'm at ;) | Oct 20 03:14 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/EoNd3ev.gifv | Oct 20 03:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | 2018 on the web | Oct 20 03:40 | |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Oct 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | thunderbird is being messed up by mozilla | Oct 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | I hope there's some good >longterm< reason for this, like some better performance or something. For now all I see is stuff breaking that used to work for over a decade. | Oct 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | For my filters to work, please send mail to s at schestowitz rather than r at schestowitz | Oct 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | I've moved all my RSS feeds to a standalone client, quiteRSS. | Oct 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | ^^ | Oct 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | wasted many hours on this yesterday | Oct 20 09:55 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/8mH6pw3 | Oct 20 17:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Recent aircraft system update is pretty sweet. - Album on Imgur | Oct 20 17:59 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101844 | Oct 20 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 20 18:07 | |
| MinceR | >When I was on B-52s we had a panel for city flattening. | Oct 20 18:10 |
| schestowitz | bone crushing | Oct 20 18:13 |
| MinceR | bone hurting | Oct 20 18:14 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101831 | Oct 20 18:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 20 18:57 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 20 19:39 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't use Thunderbird. Evolution is okay. | Oct 20 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lot of the differences in measures were used by traders to rip customers off. | Oct 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you want "ripping customers off", nothing even comes close to the car insurance industry. | Oct 20 21:40 |
| cubexyz | house insurance? the insurance industry in general? :) | Oct 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In some states, your car insurance premiums for two years could buy the car. | Oct 20 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that too. | Oct 20 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You pay a fortune for it and then if you ever use it, your rates go up more than the claim cost them. | Oct 20 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you end up in situations like the one I was in the other day where a rock chipped the paint on the top of my car and instead of filing a claim, I just used to touch up paint and called it good. | Oct 20 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if my rates didn't go up, I'd still have to cough up at least $250 of having it professionally repaired. | Oct 20 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't do that for every scratch and ding you get over the years, obviously, so you only end up using the insurance you pay for if you hit a deer or a tree falls on your car or you actually smash the front end in a major accident. | Oct 20 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | cubexyz (IRC): We're actually ahead on the renter's insurance, though. | Oct 20 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When John got mugged a few months ago, I had him on my policy for an extra $1.30 a month. Turns out they wrote me a check for $500 for that. | Oct 20 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I noticed that with Root, my comprehensive would only cost $2 more per month to have a $100 deductible vs. what it was before. I currently have to park in a windy area with lots of trees, so the $100 deductible seemed worth it. | Oct 20 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | While I was out this morning, I saw a tree branch fall on someone's car. I hate having all of these trees in the neighborhood. | Oct 20 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everyone's car ends up getting banged up when they shed tree bark. | Oct 20 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://finance.yahoo.com/news/red-hat-rht-down-8-133001053.html | Oct 20 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | Red Hat (RHT) Down 8.9% Since Last Earnings Report: Can It Rebound? | Oct 20 21:48 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think it's a buy at this point, honestly. | Oct 20 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Opera might be too. | Oct 20 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their stock has fallen over 40% since the IPO a few months ago. | Oct 20 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Other mobile browsers could be a lot better, but nobody is really interested in doing so for whatever reason. | Oct 20 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Doing what? | Oct 20 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Performance, ad blocking, small screen rendering. | Oct 20 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I tried out Samsung Internet, but it didn't work out too well because there's no sync with a desktop browser. | Oct 20 22:00 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/cS05sc4 | Oct 20 22:03 |
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| kaniini | schestowitz back up | Oct 20 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: excellent, thanls! | Oct 20 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Have you considered Firefox/IceCat for Android? | Oct 20 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I suppose its performance is not the best, but things are changing in this regard quite quickly. | Oct 20 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: GeckoView on Firefox Klar/Focus works wonders, and they're working on bringing it to Fennec. | Oct 20 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Gecko is aging poorly. | Oct 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's more than 20 years old and was considered pretty bloated from the start. | Oct 20 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | Not exactly what I said %) | Oct 20 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Mozilla wants to get rid of Gecko https://servo.org/ | Oct 20 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-servo.org | Servo, the parallel browser engine | Oct 20 22:59 | |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: In the meantime they're optimising Gecko as well | Oct 20 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | including incorporation of things developed under the Servo umbrella | Oct 20 23:00 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yes a lot of things is chop bits of gecko and putting bits of servo in. | Oct 20 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Until hopefully no gecko is left. | Oct 20 23:01 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: the project for that converion does have a code name. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Oxidation | Oct 20 23:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.mozilla.org | Oxidation - MozillaWiki | Oct 20 23:03 | |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: indeed | Oct 20 23:03 |
| oiaohm | gecko is on it way out. | Oct 20 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Just it taking a hell long time to leave. | Oct 20 23:04 |
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| MinceR | gecko used to be pretty stable | Oct 20 23:41 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: not really problem is websites have got more and more complex. | Oct 20 23:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically websites from the time wine gecko started current day gecko is quite stable on. | Oct 20 23:51 |
| MinceR | great | Oct 20 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Really programs have have millions of faults and no one notices them until they change their workload. | Oct 20 23:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically gecko is as broken as it always has been. | Oct 20 23:52 |
| oiaohm | In fact a little less broken now than when it started. | Oct 20 23:52 |
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