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MinceR 16 00:08
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schestowitzdoes anyone here use a voip service?Sep 16 00:50
schestowitzHad good experiences with Ekiga over the years. Looked up more information on Dixa, which had been mentioned. Digium is supposed to be OK, but I have not had experience with them personally. They're international.Sep 16 00:50
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MinceR 16 00:54
MinceRthe only voip services i used to a significant extent were mumble and teamspeakSep 16 00:54
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schestowitzMinceR: cheersSep 16 01:06
schestowitzwe look for a service at workSep 16 01:06
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MinceR 16 02:18
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Well, the improvements I heard about for Wayland and XWayland were not what I thought they'd be, so I'm back to GNOME on X.Sep 16 02:37
XRevan86schestowitz: I have Linphone installed. It's the most decent SIP client for GNU/Linux I know.Sep 16 02:38
DaemonFC[m]It's the only way to run games on Intel graphics without it being a total slideshow. Sep 16 02:38
MinceRactually games work fine on X without gnome :>Sep 16 02:39
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schestowitzXRevan86: we look into ekigaSep 16 02:52
schestowitzbut not sure how well it would work for a businessSep 16 02:52
XRevan86schestowitz: It is famously crashySep 16 02:53
XRevan86schestowitz: I actually know one company that does use Linphone for their internal communications :)Sep 16 02:53
XRevan86a very old version, for they're mostly on FedoraSep 16 02:54
schestowitzMinceR: what's funny in DAB?Sep 16 02:54
MinceR 16 02:55
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XRevan86schestowitz: It also seems that Ekiga is pretty much dead.Sep 16 02:56
XRevan86schestowitz: Which means that they didn't fix the crashinessSep 16 02:56
MinceRoh, i also used Circuit, which is probably built on top of WebRTCSep 16 02:56
MinceRthere are several free software servers for WebRTCSep 16 02:56
XRevan86Jitsi?Sep 16 02:57
MinceRlike and AppRTCSep 16 02:57
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oiaohmXRevan86: I have not messed around with linphone that much but jitsi registarless sip account can be useful.Sep 16 06:50
oiaohmXRevan86: with linphone do consider installing their flatpak to get more current versions that most distributions give you.Sep 16 06:52
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XRevan86oiaohm: are you sure I need a flatpak?Sep 16 16:17
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's an XWayland problem. The performance just sucks, and it's not just GNOME that's going this way.Sep 16 20:30
DaemonFC[m]KDE has declared that kwin on x11 "deprecated" (still works but no new features).Sep 16 20:31
DaemonFC[m]It's probably a matter of time before GNOME and KDE just drop the X11 session option completely and tell you it's XWayland or nothing, regardless of whether games run like you just kicked your computer in the balls.Sep 16 20:32
DaemonFC[m]B-)Sep 16 20:32
DaemonFC[m]To be fair, X11 is such a mess that there are only 3-4 people in the world who understand how some parts of it work.Sep 16 20:33
DaemonFC[m]It was way worse. Since forked from XFree86, it has lost a net total of around 800,000 lines of code despite having new features put in. Sep 16 20:34
DaemonFC[m]Including its own printing system that nobody used anymore. IIRC, that alone was almost 360,000 lines of code, when you also include the support for X printing in the bundled apps.Sep 16 20:35
DaemonFC[m]The problem with lugging around a bunch of crap that nobody uses anymore, other than bloat, is that sometimes nobody knows if it can or does work, and it's a lot of stuff that probably isn't being audited properly for security issues.Sep 16 20:36
DaemonFC[m]X is so large and so old that at one point, compiling just the server generated over 1,100 warnings from gcc.Sep 16 20:36
DaemonFC[m]In comparison, the Linux kernel is over 17 million lines of code and generates like 3-5 warnings on a typical build, assuming you're building ALL of the drivers that could end up being used on that architecture. Sep 16 20:37
DaemonFC[m]Nobody ever really fixed most of the compiler warnings for the Server, either. Only a couple hundred were properly fixed.Sep 16 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Most of the rest were just silenced. If you're perfectly happy to have problems that the compiler just doesn't warn you about, that solves everything, I guess. :PSep 16 20:38
DaemonFC[m]X11 is an awful "standard" that simply became entrenched, and now if you try moving it to a compatibility context, the performance of many apps suffers.Sep 16 20:39
DaemonFC[m]Running Firefox on XWayland is okay. Running games on it is not.Sep 16 20:40
DaemonFC[m]Nobody is _ever_ going to go back and fix something like Borderlands 2.Sep 16 20:41
DaemonFC[m]It's in the back catalog and most of their sales net them a whole dollar during Steam Sales.Sep 16 20:41
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: i hereby declare kde4+ and gnome2+ "deprecated"Sep 16 21:07
MinceRtake that, lendows!Sep 16 21:08
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: interesting suse has current linphone.   Most of the distributions I deal with its lucky to be 3.6.x in the package repository.Sep 16 21:24
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: XWayland performance with games is mixed bag.   There are some games that perform just as well under Xwayland as they did under X11 itself.Sep 16 21:27
DaemonFC[m]DaemonFC: i hereby declare kde4+ and gnome2+ "deprecated"Sep 16 21:30
DaemonFC[m]MATE is an option, but nobody is maintaining KDE 4 at all.Sep 16 21:30
DaemonFC[m]They did get the memory usage of GNOME 3.30 down quite a bit.Sep 16 21:32
DaemonFC[m]Ubuntu is back to their old habits of mixing and matching components that were never meant to be shipped together.Sep 16 21:34
DaemonFC[m]They are still going to ship Nautilus 3.26 in Ubuntu 18.10, which is mostly GNOME 3.30 otherwise.Sep 16 21:34
DaemonFC[m]It's a shame that they ship software that upstream abandoned a year ago because "desktop icons", which are already available as a Shell Extension.Sep 16 21:37
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I bet they just couldn't bother to port those to GTK+4Sep 16 21:38
DaemonFC[m]They aren't missing any one major feature that was added to Nautilus, but they are missing out on a grab bag of smaller ones and performance fixes that were added since then.Sep 16 21:38
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Nautilus's desktop relies on making a window covering everythingSep 16 21:38
DaemonFC[m]The desktop support for Nautilus hadn't been actively maintained in several years and it was interfering with plans for Nautilus and the Shell.Sep 16 21:38
XRevan86but in GTK+4 that is no longer possible, as only individual GdkMonitor's are available for each physical displaySep 16 21:39
DaemonFC[m]Since GNOME doesn't do desktop icons by default, there wasn't a strong push to keep the support there.Sep 16 21:39
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of ridiculous anyway. There are two ways to get to a program. You can use the Overview or you can turn on the Applications and Places menus with Tweaks.Sep 16 21:40
DaemonFC[m]Desktop icons don't really make a lot of sense. I mean, you have to get to the desktop to use them, which is more difficult than opening a program or a place using the other methods.Sep 16 21:40
oiaohmKDE 1.0/2.0 are dead.   Trinity is attempting to keep KDE 3.0 design alive but as they openly admit qt4/5 are too different to prior versions of qt.Sep 16 22:18
oiaohmkde4 contained applications are most all in kde5 line with updates.Sep 16 22:18
MinceRat least kde3 has functionalitySep 16 22:20
MinceRkde4+ is just blingSep 16 22:20
oiaohmXRevan86: the desktop code was ported to GTK+4Sep 16 22:22
oiaohm  << yes they removed the desktop shell and they are bring it back.Sep 16 22:22
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oiaohmAgain as part of NautillusSep 16 22:23
XRevan86oiaohm: huhSep 16 22:24
XRevan86oiaohm: coolSep 16 22:24
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oiaohmXRevan86: it is a changed feature.   The change means the shell knows where you mouse is and the desktop icon provider only find out if you click on something.Sep 16 22:26
oiaohmXRevan86: lets just say removing desktop icons 12 months ago caused way too many complaints.Sep 16 22:28
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MinceRalso, Qt went to hell anywaySep 16 22:30
MinceRmight as well stick with an older versionSep 16 22:30
oiaohmTrinity are running into more and more problems with the older Qt versions.Sep 16 22:32
oiaohmMinceR: the problem is older Qt has a stack of internal memory leak issues that are part of the design.Sep 16 22:32
MinceRand newer Qt lugs half a window manager around and has Qt QuickSep 16 22:33
MinceRQt Quick needs to be explicitly told "remember, you don't like this GPU, render in software"Sep 16 22:33
MinceRand it still renders white widgets from time to timeSep 16 22:33
MinceRand it still stops refreshing widgets until they're resizedSep 16 22:33
oiaohmQt quick I class as one of the biggest errors.Sep 16 22:34
MinceRit's a broken, unreliable messSep 16 22:34
MinceRand half the time QtWebEngine won't even buildSep 16 22:34
oiaohmJavascript what else do you expect.Sep 16 22:34
oiaohmLot of ways when you read what Qt quick/qml idea is I cannot see why you need javascript.  Why you could not use a turning incomplete language like bpf.Sep 16 22:35
MinceRand of course half a wm + 2 browsers (QtWebKit + QtWebEngine) = massive bloatSep 16 22:36
oiaohmlxqt and others does show want can be done with modern qt while avoiding qml.Sep 16 22:38
MinceRi like what can be done with Tk moreSep 16 22:40
oiaohmTK is turning incomplete for the basic interfance setup.  Sep 16 22:43
oiaohmI don't see why graphical feature setups need a turning complete language.  Ok application core needs to be turning complete but we don't need turning complete every where.Sep 16 22:44
MinceRi prefer "incomplete" to "over 3 times as big as necessary, and full of bugs"Sep 16 22:45
MinceRi also prefer "incomplete" to "no longer supports the application it was designed for AND still bloated as fuck"Sep 16 22:46
oiaohmTurning incomplete like bpf really does limit how bad a memory leak from that code will be as well.Sep 16 22:49
MinceRnot necessarilySep 16 22:49
MinceRyou could come up with a Turing-complete language which can literally only allocate memory and loopSep 16 22:49
MinceRs/comp/incomp/Sep 16 22:49
MinceRand it will do nothing _but_ leak :>Sep 16 22:50
oiaohmThe one thing about ebpf jumps are forwards and  loops have a fixed number of cycles before they must end.Sep 16 22:50
oiaohmthis is what makes it turning incomplete.Sep 16 22:51
oiaohmThat termination can be calculated. Sep 16 22:51
oiaohmBasically a leaking turning incomplete program will for sure stop leaking at some point.   Where a turning complete program can run for ever leaking Sep 16 22:54
MinceR 16 23:05
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MinceRor you could just take a Turing-complete language and impose a step limit on itSep 16 23:06
oiaohmStep limit is extra defence.   Lot harder to enforce step limit when you are attempting to make native machine code.Sep 16 23:09
oiaohmbpf loop and jump limits means at build time you can calculate the max number of steps the code will use.Sep 16 23:10
MinceRyou could debug the code as it runsSep 16 23:11
oiaohmThat is overhead.Sep 16 23:11
MinceRand it doesn't have to be native codeSep 16 23:11
MinceRmemory leaks are overhead tooSep 16 23:11
oiaohmIf you are attempting to avoid bloat.Sep 16 23:11
MinceRTuring-incomplete code also limits what you can doSep 16 23:12
MinceRoften in hard-to-foresee waysSep 16 23:12
oiaohmI am not saying that turing incomplete is for everything.   But for effects and most of the stuff qml is used for there is no real need for turning complete language.Sep 16 23:13
oiaohmReally turing incomplete code does limit what you can do.   But having turing complete where you don't need it opens up more room for human error.Sep 16 23:15
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DaemonFC[m]and newer Qt lugs half a window manager around and has Qt QuickSep 16 23:31
DaemonFC[m]Not to mention that the Chromium web browser is in there too, basically.Sep 16 23:31
DaemonFC[m]GTK+ still uses Webkit. Never went to Blink and I don't even think that there are any proposals to do that.Sep 16 23:31
DaemonFC[m]The layout is sort of like Internet Explorer and Trident, where the rendering engine is part of GTK+ and GNOME whether you have Evolution or Web installed at all.Sep 16 23:32
DaemonFC[m]Web is just a shell around WebkitGTK+.Sep 16 23:32
DaemonFC[m]Historically, Web (Epiphany)'s main problem has been that it was terribly unstable. That's finally getting sorted out. The ad blocking code still sucks hard.Sep 16 23:33
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DaemonFC[m]Hmmm, GNOME Shell in 3.28 was using about 300-400 MB of RAM according to the task monitor.Sep 16 23:48
DaemonFC[m]Right now it's sitting at 94 MB under GNOME 3.30.Sep 16 23:48
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: so by that it might be worth trying Gnome 3.30 at some point.Sep 16 23:49
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: the 300-400MB ram consumed by it was more than I could tollerate.Sep 16 23:50
DaemonFC[m]The Xorg server also seems to be using less.Sep 16 23:50
oiaohmThat is to be expected.Sep 16 23:50
DaemonFC[m]14 MB down from 19-20.Sep 16 23:50
oiaohmXwayland work has lead to libinput fixes and other fixes that are reducing memory usage.Sep 16 23:50
oiaohmwonder if the evolution in gnome 3.30 will solve the magical 96G usage of virtual memory by alarm notifySep 16 23:59
cubexyzoiaohm, no Intel ME in my P4Sep 17 00:36
cubexyzat least I don't think there isSep 17 00:36
cubexyzhard to be certainSep 17 00:37
cubexyzwikipedia says 2008 and laterSep 17 00:37
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DaemonFC[m]I wonder what all the memory reduction in GNOME Shell is from.Sep 17 01:05
DaemonFC[m]It has a long history of pigging out on RAM, which has made it inappropriate, possibly unusable, on systems with under 4 GB.Sep 17 01:05
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DaemonFC[m]Now an of a sudden, there's a 300 MB savings going from 3.28 to 3.30.Sep 17 01:06
DaemonFC[m]It seems like they only improve after the need for it has passed.Sep 17 01:06
DaemonFC[m]It would have been nice to have the Shell using 100 MB instead of 400 MB over the last 7 years. :/Sep 17 01:07
DaemonFC[m]Even Macbooks come with at least 8 GB of RAM now.Sep 17 01:07
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cubexyzin 1986 my 286 had 1 meg of ram :)Sep 17 01:21
cubexyzand at the time I thought "wow so much ram"Sep 17 01:21
cubexyzbefore that I was running rubik's cube solvers in less than 64KSep 17 01:22
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cubexyzthe I/O capability and storage was also minimal... 5.25" 170K diskettesSep 17 01:24
cubexyz 17 01:25
cubexyzanyways, with openbsd you can run a basic system in 256 megs which is still a lot of ram by my reckoningSep 17 01:25
cubexyzif home computers could have run a Unix we might never have seen the rise of M$ and windowsSep 17 01:26
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cubexyzyou can definitely do modern slackware in 2 gigsSep 17 01:36
cubexyzrun firefox, chrome etcSep 17 01:36
cubexyzif you want low memory Unix/Linux then openbsd is a good choiceSep 17 01:36
cubexyzjust don't try to run firefox on 256 meg, use dillo or lynxSep 17 01:37
cubexyzslackware with icewm that is... just to clarifySep 17 01:40
cubexyzI did try to minimize the ram usageSep 17 01:40
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, good luck with graphical websites in Lynx, sites using videos in either, and HTTPS in Dillo.Sep 17 01:41
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DaemonFC[m]I got Netscape 4.8 to run on Fedora 27 a while back and while Wikipedia was incredibly broken, you could read the text of the articles on it still....Sep 17 01:42
cubexyzsome graphical ad-laden web sites aren't even worth looking atSep 17 01:45
DaemonFC[m]I wonder if Microsoft's warning that you're about to install another web browser detects Opera, Vivaldi, Seamonkey, etc., or if it's just Firefox and Chrome.Sep 17 01:45
cubexyzbut wikipedia forcing https is a problemSep 17 01:45
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DaemonFC[m]Foobar2000 now runs more smoothly under Wine. I found a green screen theme for it. Sep 17 01:47
cubexyzthe cars? you're in my era now :)Sep 17 01:48
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: very niceSep 17 01:48
schestowitzfoobar is proprietary, no?Sep 17 01:48
schestowitzahSep 17 01:49
schestowitz[01:47] <DaemonFC[m]> Foobar2000 now runs more smoothly under Wine. I found a green screen theme for it. Sep 17 01:49
schestowitzbeat me to itSep 17 01:49
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. One of the former Nullsoft employees created it a while back.Sep 17 01:49
schestowitzfor music I use vlc on another small laptop with arm processorSep 17 01:49
DaemonFC[m]It is a really useful tool though, for things like batch transcoding. Sep 17 01:50
schestowitzyou can do that with some freesw tooSep 17 01:50
DaemonFC[m]Fedora building i686 libs with SSE2 support seems to have sped up those operations significantly.Sep 17 01:50
schestowitzI did that with krip or something even 15 years agoSep 17 01:50
DaemonFC[m]You can, but Gstreamer has their own broken Opus implementation, and it's crap.Sep 17 01:50
DaemonFC[m]For Opus, I just use the official utility in the terminal though.Sep 17 01:51
DaemonFC[m]For FLAC, I like tweaking the command line to maximize the compression ratio. It takes a very long time to create each file and you gain maybe a 0.8% reduction vs. just using -8, but to me it's worth it.Sep 17 01:52
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DaemonFC[m]Since I have so many of them.Sep 17 01:52
DaemonFC[m]The good news is that there's no impact on decoding performance at all, so once it's done, it's done.Sep 17 01:52
cubexyzburning down the house is the only talking heads song I really rememberSep 17 01:53
DaemonFC[m]Foobar2000 also has a "Optimize File Layout and Minimize Size" option, so once you have the tags how you like them, you can make a pass over them with that.Sep 17 01:53
cubexyzand psycho killer Sep 17 01:53
DaemonFC[m]Saves maybe 30-40 KB on each FLAC file.Sep 17 01:53
DaemonFC[m]cubexyz: I have everything from the Talking Heads in FLAC. Both the original CD pressings and the DualDiscs. The original CD release of Stop Making Sense and the 1999 Re-Issue. The Stop Making Sense concert on Blu Ray.Sep 17 01:55
DaemonFC[m]As well as everything from the Tom Tom Club and all of David Byrne's albums.Sep 17 01:55
DaemonFC[m]It took me forever to find all of this.Sep 17 01:55
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DaemonFC[m]There are formats out there that are more efficient at compression than FLAC, but not drastically so, and they're all either proprietary and/or have no support in hardware. Sep 17 01:58
DaemonFC[m]burning down the house is the only talking heads song I really rememberSep 17 02:00
DaemonFC[m]They used it at the end of an episode of The Handmaid's Tale recently.Sep 17 02:00
cubexyzthere's some 80s stuff at Sep 17 02:01
cubexyzsome of my old scripts still workSep 17 02:01
cubexyzhehSep 17 02:01
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The car salesman was kind of taken aback when I was playing around with Android Auto to make sure all the music on my phone would play on the car's speakers. Sep 17 02:01
DaemonFC[m]He's like, "Oh, Spotify?". I'm like, "No, it's all stored on my phone. I don't use Spotify.".Sep 17 02:02
cubexyzsome of the old Earth, Wind and Fire songs are goodSep 17 02:02
DaemonFC[m]I recently deleted my portable collection again and started over. Sep 17 02:03
DaemonFC[m]It's all in Opus this time (1.3-rc).Sep 17 02:03
cubexyzwhen I was in high school the cool kids had this humongous ghetto blasters :)Sep 17 02:04
cubexyzquasi-portableSep 17 02:04
cubexyzs/this/these/Sep 17 02:04
DaemonFC[m]I was looking forward to when MP3 would be in the public domain so I wouldn't have to go find it and install it somewhere else and now it is and I don't even use it. :PSep 17 02:04
cubexyzhow big is your music collection?Sep 17 02:05
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DaemonFC[m]About 2.5 TB as FLAC, and that's with higher compression than setting 8. Sep 17 02:08
DaemonFC[m]I'm kind of a packrat. I admit that I haven't even listened to some of it.Sep 17 02:09
DaemonFC[m]With the -e and -p settings on top of setting 8 and then optimizing file layout and size using foobar2000, you can usually achieve a 1% savings above what setting 8 alone will result in.Sep 17 02:10
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DaemonFC[m]It results in a massive slowdown though, that's why it doesn't perform an aggressive search and just estimates the LPC and model searches and makes a guess. Sep 17 02:12
DaemonFC[m]But if you go over them in bulk and do something else while the computer is plugging away at it, oh well....Sep 17 02:13
DaemonFC[m]cubexyz: As Opus, it fits comfortably on a 128 GB SD card in my phone. :)Sep 17 02:15
DaemonFC[m]At least, the parts I want to carry with me.Sep 17 02:17
DaemonFC[m]I mostly have it on shuffle while I'm in the car.Sep 17 02:17
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DaemonFC[m]The FLAC versions have a lot of duplicates that contain greatest hits, live albums, etc.Sep 17 02:18
schestowitzdid anyone notice the Torvalds news?Sep 17 02:18
schestowitzStepping downSep 17 02:18
schestowitzhe says temporarilySep 17 02:18
schestowitzgood, maybe Zemlin can put some MSFT engineer in charge of Linux nowSep 17 02:19
schestowitzand then say "Linux has won!"Sep 17 02:19
schestowitzBecause Microsoft showed interest in takeoverSep 17 02:19
cubexyzZemlin is a M$ person?Sep 17 02:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Source? It's not in Google News.Sep 17 02:20
cubexyzok, well I guess I'll keep all my openbsd CDs in case the apocalypse happensSep 17 02:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Kernel Adopts A Code of Conduct | Tux MachinesSep 17 02:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jono Bacon: Linus, His Apology, And Why We Should Support Him | Tux MachinesSep 17 02:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note | Tux MachinesSep 17 02:21
cubexyzTorvalds should really stop ranting and swearingSep 17 02:22
cubexyzthat's not helpingSep 17 02:22
DaemonFC[m]If Microsoft took over Linux, I'd probably start over on TrueOS. *shrug*Sep 17 02:23
schestowitzcubexyz: trueSep 17 02:24
schestowitzbut at least he's not soft on MicrosoftSep 17 02:24
DaemonFC[m]It would be most unfortunate. I hate learning new operating systems. It took me forever to wrap my head around GNU/Linux when I started making a serious effort to get away from Windows (Vista-era).Sep 17 02:24
schestowitzonly DRM, GPLv2, tivoization etc.Sep 17 02:25
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: His criticism of Microsoft is mostly limited to how incompetent (bloated, buggy, etc.) their software is.Sep 17 02:25
DaemonFC[m]He doesn't really go after them about other things too much.Sep 17 02:26
DaemonFC[m]During my few months with Windows 10, it would constantly blue screen just because I wanted to play a video game. Sep 17 02:26
DaemonFC[m]The performance and stability of the Intel driver on Windows 10 is just awful, or at least it was on Skylake hardware and a coupld of years ago.Sep 17 02:27
DaemonFC[m]"Integrated graphics and gaming", yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's also an architectural problem, obviously, since switching to GNU/Linux and playing the same games on the same hardware leads to a 20% performance improvement.Sep 17 02:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: That's part of what made Microsoft's statement that Intel was designing hardware specifically for Windows 10 so amusing.Sep 17 02:30
DaemonFC[m]It crashes all the time and it's really slow. Sep 17 02:31
DaemonFC[m]It's like they hurried up and barely got it working at all and then slapped a "Certified for Windows 10" sticker on it.Sep 17 02:31
DaemonFC[m]MinceRjokes about how GNU/Linux is becoming more like Windows, but it's really not.Sep 17 02:32
DaemonFC[m]Windows 10 is in an advanced stage of rot, and it becomes immediately obvious to anyone who sits and uses it for a while.Sep 17 02:32
cubexyzit never was very goodSep 17 02:33
DaemonFC[m]Windows 7 was alright, but things really started going downhill again with Windows 8. Sep 17 02:34
DaemonFC[m]And now they've backported the worst parts of Windows 10 to Windows 7 to punish people who managed to avoid 10.Sep 17 02:34
DaemonFC[m]"Telemetry" (spyware), cumulative updates, etc.Sep 17 02:35
DaemonFC[m]The only improvement they seem to have made in 10 is that each version keeps a compressed copy of the installation stuff for the current version so you don't have 4,000 updates and two service packs backed up on you _when_ you have to reinstall.Sep 17 02:36
DaemonFC[m]Of course, this assumes that the "refresh my PC" thing even works at all.Sep 17 02:37
DaemonFC[m]When I tried to use it on John's laptop, it rebooted and told me that recovery files were missing and it rebooted back into a completley busted copy of Windows 10. Ended up downloading an ISO from Microsoft and a bunch of drivers and installing it that way. :PSep 17 02:37
schestowitzsounds like joySep 17 02:38
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, it was so broken that somehow even the start menu wouldn't work.Sep 17 02:40
DaemonFC[m]You'd click it and nothing happened.Sep 17 02:40
DaemonFC[m]He had been ignoring that and trying to play Cities Skylines, but it kept crashing with some cryptic message about running out of memory.Sep 17 02:40
DaemonFC[m]I loaded the task manager and watched while Cities was loading and at no point in time did the laptop come close to running out of memory.Sep 17 02:41
DaemonFC[m]The message never came up again after I formatted the disk and reinstalled Windows from a USB stick.Sep 17 02:41
DaemonFC[m]I keep telling him that Cities was ported to Linux.Sep 17 02:42
DaemonFC[m]It's about all he ever does on that laptop.... Why put up with Windows 10?Sep 17 02:42
cubexyzunfortunately there's no KISS principle for operating systems Sep 17 02:43
DaemonFC[m]It's not like I love GNOME or anything, it's just that KDE has become this huge disaster.Sep 17 02:44
DaemonFC[m]MinceRwas right about Qt5. It's bloated and horrible.Sep 17 02:44
DaemonFC[m]I keep trying KDE again every few releases on the theory that a large list of fixes in the changelog could mean that stuff got better, but something's always broken.Sep 17 02:44
schestowitzsame hereSep 17 02:46
DaemonFC[m]It also seems like the distributions chase off the people who are trying to integrate it better. Sep 17 02:46
schestowitzplasma at leastSep 17 02:46
cubexyzAlpine Linux defaults to XFCE4Sep 17 02:48
DaemonFC[m]KDE feels totally alien on Fedora. For starters, there's a ton of GTK+ stuff. Part of that is because all of the GUI troubleshooting tools for things like SELinux is GTK+. But app selection feels less like someone curated the best software and instead simply dumped a bunch of packages there.Sep 17 02:49
cubexyzwhich would have been fine except you know.... musl :)Sep 17 02:49
DaemonFC[m]Then it's very hard to report bugs upstream because they don't have DrKonqi. They have Apport, which reports things to Fedora, which isn't who needs to get the report.Sep 17 02:49
cubexyzno need to use full KDE 4+ (whatever it is now)Sep 17 02:50
DaemonFC[m]There's KDE Neon I guess.Sep 17 02:50
cubexyzjust use the odd KDE programSep 17 02:50
DaemonFC[m]They put the latest KDE on top of an Ubuntu LTS base.Sep 17 02:50
DaemonFC[m]I do use QBittorrent, but that's a Qt app. Not KDE.Sep 17 02:50
DaemonFC[m]I have Krita. That is from KDE.Sep 17 02:51
cubexyzheck, I still have a full dev system for KDE 3.5.10Sep 17 02:51
DaemonFC[m]If you're not going to use the Server or "Workstation" (GNOME) builds, Fedora probably is not for you.Sep 17 02:52
DaemonFC[m]The night mode feature doesn't work in KDE unless you use kwin on wayland, and if you use kwin on wayland, everything crashes all the time.Sep 17 02:57
DaemonFC[m]Night mode works on GNOME whether you use it on X or Wayland.Sep 17 02:58
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: American Health Care SystemSep 17 03:17
DaemonFC[m]I had to give John one of my prescription migraine pills.Sep 17 03:17
DaemonFC[m]Sharing pills isn't actually that rare here. Sep 17 03:18
schestowitzbetter not take pills unless you mustSep 17 03:20
schestowitzsame for other drugs, like relaxantsSep 17 03:20
schestowitzrisks understatedSep 17 03:20
schestowitzyou once use Gonad's viagra you told meSep 17 03:20
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, just to see what it would do.Sep 17 03:20
schestowitzGonad the BarbarianSep 17 03:21
DaemonFC[m]That was a mistake.Sep 17 03:21
schestowitzWas it Steve?Sep 17 03:21
schestowitzthere was a story recently a bad who fractured his cock after taking viagraSep 17 03:21
DaemonFC[m]Brian, was his name.Sep 17 03:21
DaemonFC[m]He's dead now, since January.Sep 17 03:21
schestowitzalthough - don't ask me how - that happened after the kid jumped on himSep 17 03:21
schestowitzah, right, you told me he diedSep 17 03:21
schestowitzis your dad ok?Sep 17 03:21
schestowitzI forgot his nameSep 17 03:22
DaemonFC[m]As far as I know. We don't really talk much lately. Sep 17 03:22
schestowitzthe Farmer, not the HarmonSep 17 03:22
DaemonFC[m]Well, he goes by Carl. His real name is Felta, so I'd go by Carl too if I was him.Sep 17 03:22
schestowitzah. yesSep 17 03:22
schestowitzsounded like a nice man betrayed by a not too nice wife, iircSep 17 03:22
DaemonFC[m](His middle name is Carl.)Sep 17 03:22
DaemonFC[m]Well, he wasn't nice, but he wasn't beating her.Sep 17 03:23
schestowitzmaybe I remember it wrongluySep 17 03:23
DaemonFC[m]Gonad was beating her.Sep 17 03:23
DaemonFC[m]My dad is really weird. He gets into all of these really strange religions. Gave the Scientologists money....Sep 17 03:23
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, he's living in Columbus, Indiana with his wife Jan, and that's really all I know.Sep 17 03:24
schestowitzhard to think of a scenario where hurting a women physically can accomplish anythingSep 17 03:24
schestowitzexcept if you really want to inflict pain because you're a sore loserSep 17 03:24
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, well, Brian was a stupid truck driver who drank Bud Light like it was going out of style and smoked two packs of cigarettes a day.Sep 17 03:25
schestowitzIs Jabba still alive?Sep 17 03:25
DaemonFC[m]So, there's the pathetic loser bits.Sep 17 03:25
DaemonFC[m]No, Jabba got really sick in November of 2015 and I had to have him put down.Sep 17 03:26
DaemonFC[m]He was havig thyroid and kidney issues. He wasn't eating and they told me there was nothing they could do for him.Sep 17 03:26
schestowitzhmm... always have the memories and photos I guessSep 17 03:27
schestowitzthough they might do no good nowSep 17 03:27
schestowitzmy dad had to put away all photos of his dogSep 17 03:27
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. I buried him out in the field behind my grandmother's house. Sep 17 03:27
DaemonFC[m]Decided to get another cat the next week. She's a maine coon. Her name is Bobbi Jo.Sep 17 03:28
DaemonFC[m]And John already had his cat Leeloo. They get along well.Sep 17 03:28
DaemonFC[m]Leeloo was pregnant and someone abandoned her in the hallway of the apartment building.Sep 17 03:29
DaemonFC[m]So we took her in and started feeding her, and then she kept getting bigger and bigger. I was like, uh oh.Sep 17 03:29
DaemonFC[m]So I set up this area with some old blankets and stuff for her to give birth in, and she does it in John's brand new coat instead. :PSep 17 03:29
DaemonFC[m]We kept the five kittens until they were weaned and then found homes for them.Sep 17 03:30
schestowitzgoodSep 17 03:31
schestowitzphotos?Sep 17 03:31
DaemonFC[m]Some on my phone I think.Sep 17 03:33
DaemonFC[m]I don't put too much on Facebook anymore.Sep 17 03:33
DaemonFC[m]Speaking of which, I should put cat food in my grocery cart right now. Sep 17 03:34
DaemonFC[m]They have this new thing at Walmart where you order your groceries on their site and then just pull up and have them load all of it into the car.Sep 17 03:35
schestowitzargh.. amazonSep 17 03:35
DaemonFC[m]I guess their encouragement to use it is if you don't, you spend an hour in the store tripping over everyone's kids and then 40 minutes in line to check out.Sep 17 03:35
DaemonFC[m]Amazon is probably the reason they do this now.Sep 17 03:36
schestowitzamazon and walmart - two firms we boycottSep 17 03:37
schestowitzwalmart bought two large grocers hereSep 17 03:37
DaemonFC[m]It's not like there's good options near me.Sep 17 03:37
schestowitzasda, then sainsburysSep 17 03:37
DaemonFC[m]Jewel is worse.Sep 17 03:37
DaemonFC[m]They give their employees 12 hour weeks. Sep 17 03:37
DaemonFC[m]And pass the savings along to you, in the form of 30% higher grocery bills than Walmart.Sep 17 03:38
DaemonFC[m]Jewel has oversaturated the market. They put one every several blocks to make sure that competitors can't get in.Sep 17 03:38
schestowitzwe often buy almost expired foodsSep 17 03:41
schestowitzthose are heavily discounted if you know the right place and time to buySep 17 03:41
schestowitzand you help prevent food wasteSep 17 03:41
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: They mark stuff down near the last day at Walmart. Sep 17 03:47
DaemonFC[m]There's a company called Imperfect Produce that you can get deliveries from.Sep 17 03:47
DaemonFC[m]They sell stuff by the pound that's okay to eat, just too ugly to put in the store.Sep 17 03:48
DaemonFC[m]I mostly buy store brand stuff wherever I can.Sep 17 03:48
DaemonFC[m]I found out that Walmart's Equate knock off of the Gilette Mach 3 razors are half the price and they give you a better shave.Sep 17 03:49
DaemonFC[m]I've been cutting more corners than normal with the car payment. Sep 17 03:49
DaemonFC[m]In a lot of ways, it's good that it's made me more careful about my money. Sep 17 03:50
DaemonFC[m]I had developed a lot of bad habits, like buying Starbucks coffee at the store when Great Value was fine. Sep 17 03:50
schestowitz[03:49] <DaemonFC[m]> I found out that Walmart's Equate knock off of the Gilette Mach 3 razors are half the price and they give you a better shave.Sep 17 03:53
schestowitzthey're so overpriced that even 50% off would be ripoffSep 17 03:54
DaemonFC[m]I'm usually reluctant to try off brand razors. Sep 17 03:54
DaemonFC[m]They tend to mutilate your face. :PSep 17 03:54
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, they used to put out $2-3 off coupons during the recession, to keep people buying the Gilette ones.Sep 17 03:56
DaemonFC[m]I got stacks of coupons and hoarded them. :PSep 17 03:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-National Sheriffs' Association Selects Indiana Sheriffs' Youth Ranch Site For New NSA Youth Leadership Institute - / StateSep 17 03:56
schestowitzjust showed up in my feedsSep 17 03:56
schestowitzI was looking for NSA  staffSep 17 03:57
schestowitz National Sheriffs' AssociationSep 17 03:57
schestowitzstaff, stuff, whatever...Sep 17 03:57
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Chicago is just letting the police retire and not replacing them.Sep 17 03:57
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't really help that they can't do their job anyway.Sep 17 03:58
DaemonFC[m]The people on the south side are murdering, raping, robbing each other and then the police are the bad guys when they shoot a criminal.Sep 17 03:58
DaemonFC[m]It's ridiculous. Sep 17 03:59
DaemonFC[m]You've got 700 murders in a year sometimes and then the police kill one asshole that was reaching for a gun and that's the scandal.Sep 17 03:59
schestowitzbrb, i need to finish an articleSep 17 04:00
schestowitzcannot multitaskSep 17 04:00
DaemonFC[m]So, I ran across an interesting article yesterday. Sep 17 04:01
DaemonFC[m]Chase has been terminating credit card accounts and won't tell people why.Sep 17 04:01
DaemonFC[m]When the news investigated, it came to the conclusion that Chase is being really aggressive with the "know your customer" requirements of the Bank Secrecy Act.Sep 17 04:02
DaemonFC[m]It's doing automated searches of things like Google News and if a name pops up in a story about a crime or something, they terminate all of that person's accounts.Sep 17 04:02
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes they didn't even have to do something illegal. Sometimes it's for working at a company that the government is investigating.Sep 17 04:03
DaemonFC[m]Makes me wonder if all of my credit cards could get turned off if there's another Ryan Farmer out there that turns up in a negative news article.Sep 17 04:04
DaemonFC[m]I know for a fact that there's a sex offender in Indiana with that name, although his middle initial is different and so is his age.Sep 17 04:05
DaemonFC[m]And the cities that he's lived in.Sep 17 04:05
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: poor training and poor equipment does not help with police shootings.   Laws restricting firearms means that a person can be picked up for having the weapon as well.Sep 17 04:33
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: the worst annoyance I have seen from same name is being incorrectly declared dead so that was all bank accounts and everything frozen.Sep 17 04:38
cubexyzoiaohm, as a short addenum to what I said (much) earlier...Sep 17 05:13
cubexyzI never got 640x400 working in X11 on an LCD monitorSep 17 05:13
cubexyzonly on a CRTSep 17 05:13
cubexyzscummvm and some old dos games will try to use 640x400Sep 17 05:14
cubexyzif possible...Sep 17 05:14
cubexyzI had to rebuild a lot of stuff after the P3 motherboard failureSep 17 05:16
oiaohmcubexyz: I have had 640x400 working on some LCD screen.Sep 17 05:17
cubexyzplease post your xorg.conf :)Sep 17 05:18
oiaohmcubexyz: the samsung LCD screen sitting in front of me right now does 640x400 with nvidia drivers.Sep 17 05:18
cubexyzyou are sure there's no black bars?Sep 17 05:19
oiaohmIt does not go full screen.Sep 17 05:19
oiaohmMy screen is a wide screen and the maker of monitor decide to make 640x400 old school squareSep 17 05:20
cubexyzbah, not true 640x400 thenSep 17 05:20
oiaohmIt works out to be 640x400 as that is not meant to be widescreen.Sep 17 05:20
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oiaohmcubexyz: 640x400 is meant to be 4:3 aspect ratioSep 17 05:21
oiaohmand my screen is 16:9 so vendor decided to make the aspect ratio right with blackbars.Sep 17 05:22
oiaohmcubexyz: I prefer the black bars down each side to the worst of the no upscale and 640x400 as a small window in the centre of screen with black all around.Sep 17 05:23
cubexyzI think this game is actually 320x200 and scummvm doubles that to 640x400Sep 17 05:24
oiaohmIf you have 16:9 screen and you are doing 640x400 you just be happy with black bars on the left and right side of the picture.Sep 17 05:24
cubexyzand a few late 1990s games used 640x400Sep 17 05:24
oiaohmIf you have black bars top bottom left right you have a problem.Sep 17 05:25
cubexyzright, that's unavoidable surelySep 17 05:25
cubexyzI can live with bars on the left and rightSep 17 05:25
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oiaohmcubexyz: some monitors don't have 640x400 at all.Sep 17 05:26
oiaohmcubexyz: does your xrandr even list it.Sep 17 05:27
cubexyzhahaSep 17 05:27
cubexyzguessSep 17 05:27
cubexyz"ModeLine "640x400"    31.5  640  672  736  832    400  401  404  445 -hsync +vsync"Sep 17 05:27
cubexyzit sure doesSep 17 05:28
oiaohmwas that a line you added or like mine left to autodetectSep 17 05:28
cubexyzno, I researched it and had to add it inSep 17 05:28
oiaohmMine comes from the auto probe of monitor.Sep 17 05:29
cubexyzI knew the monitor could technically do itSep 17 05:30
cubexyzmythtv has a modeline databaseSep 17 05:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Modeline Database - MythTV Official WikiSep 17 05:31
cubexyzmine is 640x400 @ 85.1 Sep 17 05:33
oiaohmMy LCD only works at 75Sep 17 05:33
oiaohmon 640x400Sep 17 05:33
oiaohmYes and too fast or too slow black screen.Sep 17 05:34
cubexyzisn't there an EDID thing... where the video card asks the monitor about settings?Sep 17 05:34
oiaohmcubexyz: yes its a EDID thing no I cannot remember how to ask it without leaving everything to auto.Sep 17 05:37
oiaohmand using xrandrSep 17 05:37
cubexyzxrandr --verbose will tell you a bunch of infoSep 17 05:38
oiaohmIncluding the EDID on the screen that I don't know how to decode successfully.Sep 17 05:46
oiaohmmanaully.Sep 17 05:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | read-edidSep 17 05:47
cubexyz"DDC1 transfers not supported"Sep 17 05:50
cubexyz"supports DDC2 transfers"Sep 17 05:50
cubexyzdidn't really tell me much :-/Sep 17 05:50
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oiaohmcubexyz: with my monitor read-edid don't work but nvidia decode does.Sep 17 05:52
cubexyzthere's different versions of EDID as wellSep 17 05:53
oiaohmYes it a messSep 17 05:54
cubexyzDDC = display data channelSep 17 05:58
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cubexyz640x400 isn't even mentioned in the EDID standardSep 17 06:01
cubexyzthere should be quite a bit of info in Xorg.0.logSep 17 06:08
oiaohmcubexyz: that the thing its not a requirement for modern LCD screen to ahve 640x400Sep 17 06:15
oiaohmI can see needing vkms in future and mapping the output of that back to a window for some old programs.Sep 17 06:16
cubexyzit's definitely a VESA mode thoughSep 17 06:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | VESA Signal 640 x 400 @ 85 Hz timingSep 17 06:17
cubexyznow I know what 31.5 Mhz meansSep 17 06:17
oiaohmcubexyz: my screen is 75Hz total at 640x400Sep 17 06:18
oiaohmcubexyz: and you get LCD that are 60hz as well.Sep 17 06:18
oiaohmcubexyz: so generic vesa signal does not fly on lots of LCD.Sep 17 06:19
cubexyzyeah there's no electron gunSep 17 06:20
cubexyzwith an LCD monitorSep 17 06:20
oiaohmI have end had one LCD monitor that had 640x400 at 120hzSep 17 06:21
oiaohmThat was kind of tricky for video card.Sep 17 06:21
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cubexyznot knowledgeable enough about the video engineering to know what the deal is with LCD'sSep 17 06:22
oiaohmYep My screen is 60, 72 and 75hz at 640x400 if you feed it 85Hz is the black screen of nothing.Sep 17 06:22
oiaohmLCD have fixed pixels no guns so computer unit in monitor processes the data and works out what pixel/group of pixels to turn on.Sep 17 06:23
cubexyzthe signalling is still serial from what I understandSep 17 06:24
oiaohmyep serial,  Crt use to be annalog signalling.Sep 17 06:24
oiaohmand if the serial is the wrong speed for mode the LCD processor in most cases drops the complete signal as bad.Sep 17 06:25
oiaohmso displaying black screen of nothing.    Note I said black screen of nothing most LCD monitors if there is no signal at all display a no signal message.Sep 17 06:25
oiaohmbad signal is still a signal so the no signal message does not come up but it does not render anything either.Sep 17 06:26
DaemonFC[m]I don't have any CRT monitors. Got rid of the last one in 2008.Sep 17 06:50
MinceR17 033249 <+DaemonFC[m]> Windows 10 is in an advanced stage of rot, and it becomes immediately obvious to anyone who sits and uses it for a while.Sep 17 07:24
MinceRso's LendowsSep 17 07:24
MinceRubuntu xenial, for example, barely works when it doesSep 17 07:24
MinceRin stark contrast to their previous LTS release, which lacked cancerdSep 17 07:25
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schestowitznot mu usernameSep 17 08:36
schestowitzjust roySep 17 08:36
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schestowitz>> Hi, Roy,Sep 17 16:17
schestowitz>>Sep 17 16:17
schestowitz>> Google can't in practice fire all its senior people but it can mess withSep 17 16:17
schestowitz>> them and piss them off until they voluntarily quit in protest or justSep 17 16:17
schestowitz>> shove of quietly.  Standard business move, in the US, to get weaker,Sep 17 16:17
schestowitz>> cheaper replacements.Sep 17 16:17
schestowitz>>Sep 17 16:17
schestowitz> There may have just been a corporate takeover in the kernel.  ASep 17 16:17
schestowitz> microsofter now heads the project temporarily.Sep 17 16:17
schestowitz> Sep 17 16:17
schestowitz> 17 16:17
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schestowitz> Sep 17 16:17
schestowitz> 17 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Linux Kernel Adopts A Code of Conduct - Phoronix ForumsSep 17 16:17
schestowitzI read the above and still can't see the name.Sep 17 16:17
schestowitzCam anyone name who takes over?Sep 17 16:17
XRevan86schestowitz: Greg Kroah-Hartman as stated by 17 16:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OpenNews: ??? ????? ???? ?????? ? ?????? ?? LinuxSep 17 16:28
schestowitznovell guySep 17 16:31
schestowitzthat is what I preculatedSep 17 16:31
schestowitza friend of mine called him "microsofer"Sep 17 16:31
XRevan86> To tie this all back to the actual 4.19-rc4 release (no, really, this _is_ related!) I actually think that 4.19 is looking fairly good, things have gotten to the "calm" period of the release cycle, and I've talked to Greg to ask him if he'd mind finishing up 4.19 for me, so that I can take a break, and try to at least fix my own behavior.Sep 17 16:33
XRevan86This must the sourceSep 17 16:33
schestowitzhe's ok-ishSep 17 16:34
schestowitzhe left some comments in techrights, tooSep 17 16:34
XRevan86Why was he called a "microsofer"?Sep 17 16:36
schestowitzNovell was paid by MicrosoftSep 17 16:42
schestowitzHe, in turn, was paid by NovellSep 17 16:42
schestowitzNow he's LF stafferSep 17 16:42
schestowitzBut I would not call him microsofterSep 17 16:42
schestowitz(noticed the typo)Sep 17 16:42
schestowitzhe's not even a big apologist for themSep 17 16:42
schestowitzhe complained about their hyper-v code at one pointSep 17 16:42
schestowitzbetter not badmouth himSep 17 16:43
schestowitzthat would not helpSep 17 16:43
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XRevan86schestowitz: knows 51.5 thousand notices from you :)Sep 17 16:55
XRevan86quite a numberSep 17 16:55
XRevan86since the end of 2015Sep 17 16:56
schestowitzsounds partial onlySep 17 16:58
XRevan86schestowitz: IIRC, not all your posts reached gnusocial.deSep 17 17:00
schestowitzoh, waitSep 17 17:00
schestowitzit's since I joined mastodon I guessSep 17 17:00
XRevan86schestowitz: No, that's + mastotech + pleroma + a bit from joindiaspora (there used to be an active Atom subscription to there)Sep 17 17:01
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schestowitzXRevan86: I see...Sep 17 17:24
schestowitzmaybe I cost quite a bit space-wiseSep 17 17:24
XRevan86schestowitz: There's compression, so probably not that much :)Sep 17 17:24
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schestowitz> There are worse than him but there have to be much, much better.  He wasSep 17 19:28
schestowitz> pushing for systemd and even for systemd in the kernel and he has been aSep 17 19:28
schestowitz> major M$ apologist in words and deed.  He was the one that did a lot ofSep 17 19:28
schestowitz> work to help M$ shovel shit code into the kernel.  So while not enraged,Sep 17 19:28
schestowitz> I am not happy.  I wonder what shit they held over Linus to get him toSep 17 19:28
schestowitz> take a walk and to accept a CoC.  Now non-contributing politics willSep 17 19:28
schestowitz> take priority over code.Sep 17 19:28
schestowitzI’ve checked closely for 20 minutes. This is a pretty complete list of press articles from today about torvalds stepping aside 17 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ​Linus Torvalds takes a break from Linux | Tux MachinesSep 17 19:28
schestowitzthe ones from Microsofters say nasty things about TorvaldsSep 17 19:28
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cubexyzstats from my blog:Sep 18 00:55
cubexyzchrome 38%Sep 18 00:55
cubexyzFirefox 35%Sep 18 00:56
cubexyzIE 16%Sep 18 00:56
cubexyzGlobalstats has a much different pictureSep 18 00:57
cubexyzchrome 59.67%Sep 18 00:57
cubexyzsafari 14.51%Sep 18 00:57
cubexyzUC Browser 6.28% (???)Sep 18 00:58
cubexyzfirefox 4.93%Sep 18 00:58
cubexyzopera 3.5%Sep 18 00:58
cubexyzIE 3.03%Sep 18 00:58
XRevan86cubexyz: UC Browser is Android WebView based, so essentially ChromiumSep 18 01:00
XRevan86Just a little proprietary Android browser.Sep 18 01:00
XRevan86nothing of interestSep 18 01:00
cubexyzahSep 18 01:00
*XRevan86 opened an episode of ST:TNG after a long pause. I cannot thing about anything else but how annoying Wesley is.Sep 18 01:03
XRevan86Is this one of the most annoying characters ever?Sep 18 01:04
cubexyzthat has been discussed since 1987 :)Sep 18 01:04
cubexyzmostly that is just bad writing Sep 18 01:05
XRevan86that's definitely not the only thing going onSep 18 01:05
XRevan86the actor is legitimately bad at… actingSep 18 01:05
cubexyzok, which episode? :)Sep 18 01:05
XRevan86cubexyz: Every single one where Wesley is in? :)Sep 18 01:06
cubexyz"The First Duty" shows him messing upSep 18 01:07
cubexyzmaking him slightly more likeableSep 18 01:07
XRevan86I'm still at season 1Sep 18 01:07
XRevan86I don't like the series that muchSep 18 01:08
cubexyzit did get better after the first seasonSep 18 01:09
XRevan86cubexyz: S01E08 Justice is one I remembered with having Wesley as an extremely terrible character.Sep 18 01:09
cubexyznot a great episodeSep 18 01:09
XRevan86One moment he is a smart kid demanding respect, the next he is as stupid as one can possibly be.Sep 18 01:10
XRevan86He should be confined to his quarters never to leave, yet Picard steadily begins to respect him for no apparent reasonSep 18 01:11
XRevan86nothing tells that Picard misjudged Wesley the first moment he saw himSep 18 01:12
XRevan86cubexyz: Now I'm at S01E17Sep 18 01:12
XRevan86Enterprise is near an advanced planet that for some reason has no children.Sep 18 01:13
XRevan86and so the planet stole the children from the Enterprise after a weak attempt to bargainSep 18 01:13
XRevan86Now many, 20 of them? Is that really enough for an interplanetary civilisation?Sep 18 01:14
XRevan86* How manySep 18 01:14
XRevan86cubexyz: I guess the Federation has literally not a single orphanageSep 18 01:14
cubexyzI don't remember that episode very wellSep 18 01:14
cubexyzthe UV radiation sterilized them or somethingSep 18 01:15
XRevan86because that seems like a great deal not only for the Federation, but for the orphaned kids as wellSep 18 01:15
XRevan86yet no one considered that for a momentSep 18 01:15
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XRevan86cubexyz: Let's neglect that all the required components can be synthesised…Sep 18 01:16
XRevan86especially by an extremely advanced civilisationSep 18 01:17
XRevan86it's already a scientific possibility in our timesSep 18 01:17
cubexyzsome of those episodes I haved watched since they were originally airedSep 18 01:17
cubexyzin 1987, 1988Sep 18 01:17
cubexyzhaven'tSep 18 01:17
XRevan86cubexyz: With plots that annoying, I can see why :PSep 18 01:18
cubexyzI recorded a few on VHS though Sep 18 01:18
XRevan86Not to mention the possibility of making clonesSep 18 01:18
cubexyzthere was a clone episode :)Sep 18 01:19
XRevan86yet not this oneSep 18 01:19
XRevan86They just wanted a planet that could steal children from the EnterpriseSep 18 01:19
XRevan86and didn't think it throughSep 18 01:19
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XRevan86with some kind of ethical dilemmaSep 18 01:20
cubexyzright, well that's what happens when you have to crank out an episode every weekSep 18 01:20
XRevan86maybe even rational vs. emotional no matter how strawman'ySep 18 01:20
cubexyzyou'll get some implausible storiesSep 18 01:21
XRevan86cubexyz: SG-1 managed to deliver better stuff, for oneSep 18 01:21
XRevan86even though their plotholes that fit a Moon, they aren't as annoyingSep 18 01:22
XRevan86* can fit a MoonSep 18 01:22
XRevan86cubexyz: Most of the stories in season 1 of ST:TNG were very-very weakSep 18 01:23
XRevan86ECE is lowSep 18 01:24
cubexyzok, here are the episodes I recorded:Sep 18 01:25
cubexyz 18 01:25
XRevan86cubexyz: I take it you keep a list for sentimental values :)Sep 18 01:25
XRevan86what you at the time of the airing thought worth it, right?Sep 18 01:26
cubexyzwell I was checking all my VHS tapes so I thought I'd try to figure out how old they wereSep 18 01:27
cubexyzyeah Sep 18 01:27
cubexyzthey were above average episodesSep 18 01:27
cubexyzDatalore and the Big Goodbye were decentSep 18 01:28
XRevan86And, of course, if this planet hasn't fixed their sterility problem, this will give them no more than another 80 yearsSep 18 01:28
cubexyzalso I thought the recording of the commodore 64 was historically interestingSep 18 01:28
cubexyzthat was from 1987 as wellSep 18 01:29
cubexyza lot of those first season Star Trek NG I probably only watched onceSep 18 01:31
XRevan86cubexyz: Apparently they're sterile because of the UV radiation due to the ozone layer being weakenedSep 18 01:45
XRevan86cubexyz: That's pretty questionable considering they don't appear to ever be exposed to direct Sun light…Sep 18 01:46
XRevan86always in some kind of structureSep 18 01:47
XRevan86They try to paint UV light as some sort of all penetrating radiation apparentlySep 18 01:53
XRevan86like alpha radiation or somethingSep 18 01:54
cubexyzhaha, well...Sep 18 01:58
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cubexyzUV light can sterilize thingsSep 18 01:59
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cubexyzno idea if it could sterilize a human(oid)Sep 18 02:00
XRevan86I think it canSep 18 02:00
XRevan86Though I guess even just bare skin will easily protectSep 18 02:01
XRevan86Though maybe they didn't say "UV radiation"…Sep 18 02:02
XRevan86I guess I assumed because of the words "ozone layer"Sep 18 02:03
XRevan86yeah, apparently they said "form of radiation" %)Sep 18 02:03
XRevan86Ah, and they said that this problem Earth had in the XXI centurySep 18 02:05
XRevan86okay, it must be UV lightSep 18 02:05
XRevan86cubexyz: Great techno babble with an environment messageSep 18 02:06
cubexyzthe ozone layer does block most of the UV radiation, from what I understand Sep 18 02:21
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cubexyzI wonder if the ozone layer is improving since banning CFCSep 18 02:23
XRevan86cubexyz: Yes, and assuming UV radiation is the problem, I don't see the problem.Sep 18 02:23
XRevan86it cannot penetrate wallsSep 18 02:23
cubexyzyou said it yourself: it's an environment message wrapped around a Star Trek story :)Sep 18 02:23
XRevan86cubexyz: And I also called it techno babbleSep 18 02:24
XRevan86because it makes no senseSep 18 02:24
XRevan86but I guess I'm a Spock here and I should feeeel the message instead (:Sep 18 02:24
cubexyzthe CFC ban was around 1987 if I recall correctlySep 18 02:25
cubexyzso it was topical at that timeSep 18 02:25
XRevan86Still dumb. Why not make a race of people that like to bathe in the Sun or live under a glass roof.Sep 18 02:26
XRevan86but then they'd probably get skin cancer and die too quickly for the plot to happenSep 18 02:27
cubexyzand I don't think the ozone layer is actually recoveringSep 18 02:28
cubexyzmerely the ozone loss is decreasing since the CFC banSep 18 02:28
cubexyzmaybe in other 100 years or so it will recoverSep 18 02:29
XRevan86cubexyz: Sounds better than the prospect around the carbon dioxide levelsSep 18 02:30
cubexyzAndré Bormanis was the science advisor for Star Trek NGSep 18 02:31
cubexyzso you can blame him :)Sep 18 02:31
XRevan86Like anyone has to listen to science advisorsSep 18 02:32
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cubexyzwell you're dealing with a show with faster than light propulsion, teleportation and force fields Sep 18 02:50
cubexyzit's fiction... they try to make it plausible, but often it's notSep 18 02:51
XRevan86I'm not that smart, a show can easily fool me with inconsistencies.Sep 18 02:52
XRevan86if it doesn't, it must be especially lazySep 18 02:52
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cubexyzgoing from a standing start to warp one almost instantly? :)Sep 18 03:01
cubexyzthey actually do a better job of that in the first movieSep 18 03:02
cubexyzgoing to warp one while still within the solar system was considered dangerousSep 18 03:02
cubexyztime for light to travel from earth to mars (warp one): 3 minutesSep 18 03:05
cubexyzof course, that depends :)Sep 18 03:07
cubexyzaverage is.... ummm.... 225 million kmSep 18 03:07
cubexyzyeah so really more like 12.5 minutesSep 18 03:08
cubexyzif mars and earth were on opposite sides of the sun then it would be longerSep 18 03:09
cubexyzalpha centauri is the closest star...Sep 18 03:11
cubexyz4.3 light years awaySep 18 03:11
cubexyzthe original star trek warp factors were the speed of light cubedSep 18 03:11
cubexyzreally it would take a couple of months to reach alpha centauri at warp 8Sep 18 03:13
cubexyzsorry I got that wrong :)Sep 18 03:17
cubexyz3.5 daysSep 18 03:18
cubexyzok, they got that about rightSep 18 03:18
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oiaohmcubexyz:  the ozone hole has got a little smallerSep 18 03:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NASA satellite shows direct evidence of ozone hole recoverySep 18 03:57
oiaohmcubexyz: 2060 or 2080 << is the projected full recovery time.Sep 18 03:57
oiaohmcubexyz: but it can only fully recover once the CFC are gone.Sep 18 03:58
oiaohmXRevan86: CFC effects on Ozone are worst at the north and south poles where humans are not.   If we don't want rising sea levels due to large area of ice storage melting CFC is one of the things we had to bring under control.Sep 18 04:00
schestowitzhow is this explained?Sep 18 04:01
schestowitzI heard this beforeSep 18 04:02
schestowitzthey used to say particular gases in spray cans contributed to the problemSep 18 04:02
cubexyzit was the propellants used in aerosol productsSep 18 04:14
cubexyzchlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) Sep 18 04:15
cubexyzdue to the Clean Air ActSep 18 04:15
cubexyzthen in 1987 there was the Montreal Protocol, an international agreement signed by 191 countries phasing out CFCsSep 18 04:16
cubexyzoriginally deodorant sprays, shaving cream cans used CFCsSep 18 04:17
cubexyzaerosol spray cans were invented in the 1920sSep 18 04:18
cubexyzI think they switched to nitrous oxide insteadSep 18 04:18
cubexyz 18 04:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Montreal Protocol - WikipediaSep 18 04:19
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cubexyzman made compounds containing hydrogen, chlorine, fluorine and carbon were destroying the ozone layerSep 18 04:21
cubexyzso I think the HCFCs replaced the CFCsSep 18 04:22
cubexyzor rather the CFCs were destroying the ozone layerSep 18 04:23
cubexyzso they switched to HCFCs insteadSep 18 04:23
cubexyzso less CFCs means better ozone layer, means less skin cancerSep 18 04:26
cubexyzI guess the HCFCs are also badSep 18 04:28
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oiaohmcubexyz: ozone layer skin cancer problem is a minor one.Sep 18 05:02
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oiaohmcubexyz: increasing ice melting rates kinda causes more long term issues.Sep 18 05:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@adymitruk: @schestowitz Steve Jobs was responsible for people jumping out of windows to their deaths.Sep 18 07:32
cubexyzmeaning foxconn no doubtSep 18 07:33
cubexyzjobs did comment on thatSep 18 07:35
cubexyz 18 07:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source treeSep 18 20:09
DaemonFC[m]The Linux kernel has a new Code of Conduct. Sep 18 20:09
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DaemonFC[m]Might be for the best. Torvalds did grab headlines, but perhaps in the wrong way.Sep 18 20:10
DaemonFC[m]He could have done a brutal takedown of Nvidia without resorting to the middle finger. People might understand better why they shouldn't get Nvidia hardware and expect it to work right if he had taken the time to address this calmly.Sep 18 20:10
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DaemonFC[m]Nvidia has become an even bigger problem in the wake of Secure Boot and now that they're back to not even allowing the use of their firmware to get the card into a state where it is ready to accept commands from a driver.Sep 18 20:17
DaemonFC[m]Nouveau will never be in aa state where it can compete with the proprietary driver, so AMD or Intel are the only real options at this point when you go to buy a computer.Sep 18 20:18
DaemonFC[m]For now, it suits Nvidia to release a "Linux" driver, just because they have some professionals using workstation-class systems with RHEL or Ubuntu, but they don't really care if it works right in general on other operating systems. Sep 18 20:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft: Like the Borg, we want to absorb all the world's biz computers • The RegisterSep 18 21:02
DaemonFC[m]"farewell IT admins sucked into the big backend"Sep 18 21:02
DaemonFC[m]So at least some good came out of this, perhaps. Sep 18 21:02
DaemonFC[m]The IT guy where John works is a complete moron.Sep 18 21:02
DaemonFC[m]The government is overpaying him and still trying to run a lot of their systems on several different versions of Windows, all the way back to XP.Sep 18 21:03
DaemonFC[m]Even worse, when one of them crashes, you can't do anything. You have to wait for him to come out and unplug the computer and plug it back in.Sep 18 21:04
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 18 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Winamp Media Player Is Not Dead Yet! New Beta Version Leaks OnlineSep 18 21:09
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I used to use it when I was a teenager. For several years, there was nothing else for Windows with broad compatibility, minimal UI, and low resource usage. Sep 18 21:12
DaemonFC[m]It was one of the first software players to have Ogg Vorbis and FLAC support.Sep 18 21:12
DaemonFC[m]I suppose that if you find the unreleased Winamp 2.95 floating around somewhere, that it still does play FLAC and Vorbis, but the decoder plug-ins may have bugs that never got fixed in the 2.x series.Sep 18 21:14
DaemonFC[m]For a while, Winamp used the AMP decoder for MP3, under license from a third party. Then they decided that they didn't want to pay the licensing fees and wrote their own plug-in that had serious playback bugs. Sep 18 21:15
DaemonFC[m]"Nitrane". Anyway, the guy that made AMP accused them of stealing AMP code for Nitrane and sued, and it got settled out of court under undisclosed terms. Winamp eventually licensed the Fruanhofer MP# decoder. Sep 18 21:16
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, if you see old 1.x or earlier versions in screenshots and wonder why it was styled as "WinAMP", that's why.Sep 18 21:16
DaemonFC[m]Winamp 3 was a disaster. AOL had taken them over and bloated it with their own "features" and a theme engine that used a ton of resources. I ended up sticking with Winamp 2.95 for a long time. I seem to recall it leaking on their own forum. By the time they took it down, OldVersion had it archived. Sep 18 21:18
DaemonFC[m]I asked them if there would ever be a 64-bit version for 64-bit Windows and one of them told me no, because it would break existing plug-ins and many of the plug-ins had been abandoned by their authors.Sep 18 21:19
DaemonFC[m]They started to do a Linux port, but only released one alpha-quality build, as an RPM that was intended to run on a (now) ancient version of  Red Hat Linux.Sep 18 21:20
DaemonFC[m]I think it used GTK+ 1. There might be a way to make it work on modern distributions. JWZ posted instructions on how to get old versions of Netscape from the 90s to run, and that works.Sep 18 21:21
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DaemonFC[m]AOL realized that they owned (from when Netscape was called Mosaic Communications) and that it wasn't doing anything but redirecting to, and the redirect only mattered if you were using old browsers that nobody was using anymore. So, they thought "Hey, four letter dotcom domain. We'll sell it to a spammer and make lots of money.". JWZ was able to talk them out of it and give control of the domainSep 18 21:23
DaemonFC[m]to him.Sep 18 21:23
DaemonFC[m]He uploaded all of the old mcom site so that the buttons on those old browsers actually work again.Sep 18 21:23
DaemonFC[m]The Amazing Netscape Fish Cam is still there, but it's displaying the last image the camera took before it was turned off.Sep 18 21:23
DaemonFC[m] 18 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Welcome to Mosaic Communications Corporation!Sep 18 21:25
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'll load it in Wine 3.16 and see what happens.Sep 18 21:30
DaemonFC[m]Installer crashes after first screen.Sep 18 21:38
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XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: If you like the way Winamp 2.x looks, consider Qmmp and AudaciousSep 18 22:09
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cubexyzah, now I see itSep 18 23:48
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DaemonFC[m]Winamp 2.95 running on Wine 3.16 on Fedora 29.Sep 19 03:50
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Sep 19 03:50
DaemonFC[m] One feature I did like is the memory usage of less than 10 MB. A feature that neither Microsoft nor anyone else can seem to replicate today.Sep 19 03:53
DaemonFC[m] 19 03:54
DaemonFC[m]This build got out there before Nullsoft, under AOL, bloated and ruined Winamp with the Winamp 3 release. While Winamp 2.95 definitely tries to pester you with AOL garbage, you can refuse to install any of it, and none of it would work if it was installed anyway. Many people, including myself, continued using Winamp 2.95 well into the late 2000s, especially since it was still working on at least Windows 7.Sep 19 03:58
DaemonFC[m] Dunno if Windows 10 can still run it. I don't have Windows so I can't figure this out.Sep 19 03:58
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Winamp 2.95 proves that after a certain point, a program is basically complete and if someone touches it, they'll only make it worse. :)Sep 19 04:16
DaemonFC[m]Even today, you could improve Winamp 2.95 without touching it by compiling newer codecs in the Winamp plugin format. Sep 19 04:17
DaemonFC[m]About the only thing it needs is that and an update to be HiDPI aware.Sep 19 04:17
DaemonFC[m]I doubt Winamp 5.8 will be an improvement over the AOL years and even if it is, they'll probably compound the error of adding more stuff that nobody wants.Sep 19 04:18
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XRevan86If only someone could replicate that look, amirite? :)Sep 19 07:12
XRevan86Maybe even a free software projectSep 19 07:13
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: That's 10 MB excluding Wine itself.Sep 19 07:14
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cubexyzkaboodle, kaffeine, xine, mplayer, xmcd, amarok, kmplayer, kscd...Sep 19 07:17
cubexyzthat's all I can think of :)Sep 19 07:17
cubexyzoh yeah, maybe add ffplaySep 19 07:17
XRevan86cubexyz: C'mon, I named two projects that look *exactly* like DaemonFC[m]'s Winamp 2Sep 19 07:17
cubexyzand xmmsSep 19 07:19
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:  Sep 19 07:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Audacious - An Advanced Audio PlayerSep 19 07:19
oiaohmcubexyz: xmms is basically dead.Sep 19 07:19
cubexyzthanks for reminding meSep 19 07:19
oiaohmqmmp takes winamp 2 skins and is currently maintained.Sep 19 07:20
DaemonFC[m]XMMS is still in Fedora, I think.Sep 19 07:21
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: does not change the reality it maintaince dead.Sep 19 07:21
DaemonFC[m] 19 07:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | xmms-1.2.11-35.20071117cvs.fc29 | Build Info | kojiSep 19 07:22
cubexyzoiaohm, it's also still in portsSep 19 07:22
DaemonFC[m]They patch it enough to stay working.Sep 19 07:22
cubexyzas in openbsd portsSep 19 07:22
oiaohmO my badSep 19 07:24
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: that 20071117 without maintaince for 10 years.Sep 19 07:24
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: first 4 digits is year.Sep 19 07:24
XRevan86 19 07:25
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I know. Fedora and other distributions toss patches around.Sep 19 07:26
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: << fairly much all the same features as old xmms and xmms2 but maintained.  Sep 19 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Qt-based Multimedia PlayerSep 19 07:26
DaemonFC[m]XMMS is dead upstream.Sep 19 07:26
XRevan86^ a screenshot of Qmmp with a Winamp 2 skinSep 19 07:26
oiaohmxmms is also dead in distributions as well when you look closer at patches.  All they are fixing is enought aht complier still builds it.Sep 19 07:27
oiaohmReally with qmmp and audacious there is no real need to keep xmms alive.Sep 19 07:27
XRevan86And of course they are HiDPI awareSep 19 07:33
XRevan86(the Qt variant of Audacious is)Sep 19 07:33
oiaohmXRevan86: qmmp is also using qt and picked  up HiDPI from qtSep 19 07:34
XRevan86oiaohm: I clarified because the current default Gtk2 Audacious isn'tSep 19 07:35
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: basically I really would like to have someone who really does know winamp well try out qmmp and find what missing.  Because there is a chance people are going to all the effort to run winamp on windows or wine when they could have just installed modern qmmp instead.Sep 19 07:36
cubexyzwas there anything in the linux world before xmms?Sep 19 07:37
oiaohmcubexyz: xmms start date is Nov 1997Sep 19 07:38
cubexyzamiga had hippoplayer but I can't remember when that appearedSep 19 07:39
oiaohm  Put it this way xmms is fairly early.Sep 19 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Comparison of audio player software - WikipediaSep 19 07:44
cubexyzwell I remember adlib cards were long before when winamp appearedSep 19 07:45
oiaohmcubexyz: found it 1994Sep 19 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | HippoPlayer - ExoticASep 19 07:46
cubexyzwow, that's much later than I would have thoughtSep 19 07:46
cubexyzbut I've forgotten a lot about that eraSep 19 07:47
oiaohmNote it is newer than winamp or xmms that are both 1997Sep 19 07:48
oiaohma Lot happen from 1994 to 1997Sep 19 07:48
cubexyzSun had some integrated sound device as wellSep 19 07:49
cubexyzamarok was really a KDE 3.5 thingSep 19 07:54
cubexyzlate to the partySep 19 07:54
schestowitz[07:10] <XRevan86> DaemonFC[m]: 19 08:39
schestowitzI made some themes for these beforeSep 19 08:39
schestowitz2 of them, IIRCSep 19 08:39
schestowitzBut I lost these with a drive crashSep 19 08:39
schestowitz[07:26] <DaemonFC[m]> XMMS is dead upstream.Sep 19 08:40
schestowitzpulesaudio signed the death certSep 19 08:41
schestowitzI already used amarok and then minirok after thatSep 19 08:41
schestowitzxmms until around 2008, IIRCSep 19 08:41
schestowitzUsually at workSep 19 08:41
schestowitzThose were the days... winamp, xmms, even amarokSep 19 08:42
schestowitzwhich is barely even used anymoreSep 19 08:42
schestowitznot it's just boring vlc for mSep 19 08:42
schestowitz*meSep 19 08:42
schestowitzat least proprietary codecs on GNU/Linux are barely ever a problem anymoreSep 19 08:43
XRevan86XMMS1 should work fine with PulseAudioSep 19 08:43
schestowitzI haven't tried in a long timeSep 19 08:43
schestowitz a decade ago it was left with OSS (open source system) or alsaSep 19 08:44
schestowitzI was getting more RAM anywaySep 19 08:44
schestowitzin 2007 I moved from 512mb of ram to 2048mbSep 19 08:44
schestowitz(which is what I still have)Sep 19 08:44
schestowitzxmms had a tiny ram footprintSep 19 08:45
schestowitzI had some nice plugin for it to control the speed without changing the pitchSep 19 08:45
schestowitzdeveloped by some australian guy, vlc now supports this as  a built in thingSep 19 08:45
schestowitz*aurianSep 19 08:45
schestowitz*ausrianSep 19 08:45
DaemonFC[m]XMMS works fine with Pulseaudio.Sep 19 09:15
DaemonFC[m]It isn't aware of it, but anything that tries going directly to ALSA is intercepted.Sep 19 09:15
DaemonFC[m]One of the main purposes of Pulseaudio was the bad old days where the first thing to get to the sound card "wins" and nothing else can play audio. Could you imaging that mess still going on today?Sep 19 09:16
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: maybe it works nowSep 19 09:28
schestowitzbut last I tired it had issuesSep 19 09:28
schestowitzwith sound systemsSep 19 09:28
schestowitzthat was ages agoSep 19 09:28
schestowitzI was in my 20s :-)Sep 19 09:28
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DaemonFC[m]I can't really use XMMS anymore. No HiDPI support.Sep 19 09:39
oiaohmschestowitz: wine project worked over and over again with pulseaudio fixing up the alsa emulation.   Please note lots of times pulseaudio alsa emulation was right for some sound card in existance.   So it was really fix pulseaudio and fix the lower down driver.Sep 19 10:02
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schestowitzMe to Linus: (email)Sep 19 17:25
schestowitzYou are doing a very fine job with Linux. Considering the tug from many directions (UEFI, systemd, Hyper-V, DRM, Speck etc.) and many corporations with their own orthogonal interests, you've coped very well. They can't break you. Don't let them wear you out. I know they selectively use your mouth against you by cherry-picking 0.01% of what you say, even coming up with crazy headlines based on long interviews that you did. Myself and others --Sep 19 17:25
schestowitz our reservations notwithstanding -- look forward to your return. You're the only credible person who can boss the project and say "no" when powerful interests try to change Linux for the worse.Sep 19 17:25
schestowitzlast month:Sep 19 17:28
schestowitzHi Linus,Sep 19 17:28
schestowitzThe very existence of Speck inside Linux may, in due course, enticeSep 19 17:28
schestowitzother developers (not just Google) to conveniently use that forSep 19 17:28
schestowitz'efficient' (but deficient) encryption, harming Linux and its reputationSep 19 17:28
schestowitzfor security.Sep 19 17:28
schestowitz 19 17:28
schestowitzBest regards,Sep 19 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NSA Asked Linus Torvalds To Install Backdoors Into GNU/Linux - Falkvinge on LibertySep 19 17:28
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schestowitzlolSep 19 17:37
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schestowitz>  Roy Schestowitz wrote:Sep 19 18:09
schestowitz>> we chat sometimesSep 19 18:09
schestowitz> Thanks for sending him words of encouragement.  Linux is one of theSep 19 18:09
schestowitz> crowning achievements of recent generations.Sep 19 18:09
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XRevan86MinceR: 19 20:10
MinceR:DSep 19 20:11
XRevan86> Vera Grischenkova, chairperson of the Space Communist communeSep 19 20:11
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XRevan86and yes, there's a Christian icon thereSep 19 20:18
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XRevan86Don't tell me it's still going -_-Sep 19 20:21
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MinceRit is indeed still goingSep 19 20:27
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Fedora changed their kernel build config to disable the Speck module. Sep 19 21:04
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't even get built. Sep 19 21:05
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Google wanted it in, supposedly because it's lightweight and would work on Android One devices.Sep 19 21:08
DaemonFC[m]Cheap, downmarket phones, that don't have great specifications. Sep 19 21:09
DaemonFC[m]Google eventually backed out though and came up with their own solution, after getting Speck merged into the kernel.Sep 19 21:09
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DaemonFC[m]But it looks like the way the wind is blowing, that Speck is going to be removed upstream now. :PSep 19 21:09
DaemonFC[m]Too much blowback. Sep 19 21:09
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DaemonFC[m]There's no "proof" that the NSA sabotaged it, but it's happened before where they release a cipher and the algorithm has been sabotaged to make it trivial for them to break in.Sep 19 21:10
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schestowitzApparently less frequentlySep 19 22:19
MinceRstill more frequently than desirableSep 19 22:24
schestowitzyupSep 19 22:28
schestowitzthanks, MinceRSep 19 22:28
schestowitzfor helping to manage voices etc.Sep 19 22:28
MinceRnpSep 19 22:28
schestowitzit has not upset the channel enough to drive away regularlysSep 19 22:28
schestowitzfreenode as a whole, however, I'm not sure about the overll impactSep 19 22:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why are groceries so expensive in the US? - QuoraSep 19 22:30
DaemonFC[m]Are they expensive compared to Western Europe?Sep 19 22:30
DaemonFC[m]It's really bad at Whole Foods because they cater to nutcases who will spend twice as much on anything.Sep 19 22:30
DaemonFC[m]The former CEO of Whole Foods was a libertarian crank who armed store security with Glock 40's and prosecuted homeless people for stealing an apple, who railed about having to proviide his employees health insurance after Obamacare passed.Sep 19 22:31
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: haSep 19 22:32
schestowitzyou should try SingaporeSep 19 22:32
schestowitzGroceries aren't so expensive in the USSep 19 22:32
DaemonFC[m]The cost of shopping there led to the nickname Whole Paycheck, and their former CEO went on a tear about that too, claiming that Americans are "spoiled" to be spending "the lowest percentage of take home pay on groceries, ever." and that's why we think their prices are astronomical. Sep 19 22:32
schestowitz(compared to a lot of other countries)Sep 19 22:32
DaemonFC[m]Amazon said they'd get prices under control at Whole Foods, but they lied.Sep 19 22:33
DaemonFC[m]They lowered them on some things. Attention grabbers like bananas and milk.Sep 19 22:33
DaemonFC[m]And you can get 3-5% back on your Visa card depending on if you're a Prime customer or not. Sep 19 22:33
DaemonFC[m]But it's still way more expensive than going to Walmart.Sep 19 22:33
DaemonFC[m]I get 2% back on everything with my Citi card. Walmart keeps wanting me to sign up for their Walmart Visa that does 3% on online and grocery pickup, but I've read that dealing with Synchrony Bank is the 7th circle of hell, so I'm happy with my 2%. :PSep 19 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Well, 2% doesn't sound like much until you consider that the two of us go through about $7,000 worth of groceries alone in a typical year, and 2% adds up to $140 just on that alone. :PSep 19 22:36
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DaemonFC[m]We route about $12,000 in bills through my credit card each year. $240 in rewards. Figure in inflation, and it's about $2,600 over 10 years. It's....not nothing. :)Sep 19 22:38
DaemonFC[m]The Federal Reserve studied it. The rewards come from the swipe fee that the card companies charge the merchant. They turn around and give it to me. So, the prices in the store are figured according to what percentage of customers have what cards at what fees, who uses cash or checks, etc. It ends up being a transfer of money from people who use checks, cash, and debit to people who use credit cards. Sep 19 22:40
DaemonFC[m]The net effect is that the people who are poor and with lousy credit use cash, checks, and debit, and people with more money and better credit scores use the credit cards to get rewards. So it's generally an upwards wealth transfer. :/Sep 19 22:41
MinceRso how likely is that your cashback in a year exceeds the yearly fee for the card? how likely is that it exceeds that significantly?Sep 19 22:42
DaemonFC[m]The card companies are't just giving you rewards points to be nice to you. It encourages you to use their card and generate as many swipe fees for their bank as possible. Sep 19 22:42
DaemonFC[m]I have no annual fee. Sep 19 22:42
MinceRniceSep 19 22:42
DaemonFC[m]Every dollar I get out of the card is a dollar I keep.Sep 19 22:42
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I get other perks. Lots of them!Sep 19 22:43
DaemonFC[m]I don't know all of them, but the big ones are extended warranties on everything I buy, lemon protection, price protection, and early access to concert tickets.Sep 19 22:43
MinceRwhich credit card copmany is that?Sep 19 22:44
DaemonFC[m]The Price Protection I use quite a bit. I register everything I buy and it looks for better prices, but so do I and I always submit them, even if it's only a few dollars. Sep 19 22:44
DaemonFC[m]The lemon protection works kind of like....You buy a laptop. Within 90 days it breaks, fails, or someone steals it. Sep 19 22:44
DaemonFC[m]The store won't take it back, so the card company gives you a refund.Sep 19 22:44
DaemonFC[m]If their contracted service company can't fix it. If it's stolen, you'll need to provide a police report.Sep 19 22:45
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Citi. The Double Cash Mastercard.Sep 19 22:45
DaemonFC[m]The drawback is that the interest rate is by far the highest of all the cards I have. Sep 19 22:45
MinceRand what do they do with the data they collect on what you buy from whom and when?Sep 19 22:45
DaemonFC[m]So make sure you pay the bill in full every month!Sep 19 22:45
DaemonFC[m]Tthat's another drawback. Since it's a Mastercard, they sell the data to Google.Sep 19 22:46
DaemonFC[m]Then Google uses it in their advertising platform while you're online. Sep 19 22:46
DaemonFC[m]There's lots of ways to make money from people who won't pay interest.Sep 19 22:47
DaemonFC[m]The auto industry does it all the time. Sep 19 22:47
DaemonFC[m]They bake it into their business model. They run promotions like "$2,000 instant rebate -or- 0% APR".Sep 19 22:47
DaemonFC[m]So if you take one you can't have the other.Sep 19 22:48
DaemonFC[m]If you take the 0%, they don't give you the $2,000. So They do make money on the loan, even at 0%.Sep 19 22:48
DaemonFC[m]Now, if you financed for 66 months at 5%, you're going to pay a lot more interest than $2,000, so often it's better to take the zero interest.Sep 19 22:49
MinceRicSep 19 22:49
DaemonFC[m]Some people don't have good enough credit for zero interest or they just happen to have enough to buy the vehicle right there.Sep 19 22:49
DaemonFC[m]They take the $2,000, obviously.Sep 19 22:49
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's kind of a gimmick. They know that people view money spent on interest as wasted on nothing, so they oblige.Sep 19 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Then they sell the car to you at a slightly higher price. :)Sep 19 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes you can work the system a little more to your advantage. Sep 19 22:51
DaemonFC[m]The car company is having a hard time moving a particular model, so they give incentives to the dealer directly. Sep 19 22:51
DaemonFC[m]It's called a spiff. Sep 19 22:51
DaemonFC[m]Say that model is nearing the end of the year or the sales have been down. They might pay the dealer a spiff to move them.Sep 19 22:52
DaemonFC[m]The spiff might be something like $1,500. So the dealer takes $$300 and tells the salesmen, "Move that car and you get another $300 on each unit.".Sep 19 22:52
DaemonFC[m]Out of the remaining $1,200, you might be able to talk the dealer down by $800, and they keep the remaining $400.Sep 19 22:53
DaemonFC[m]So it's possible to talk them down and they take the money out of their spiff and you get the zero interest as well.Sep 19 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes they even sell the vehicle at almost no profit whatsoever to get it off their lot. They know you'll be back for service and for warranty issues and they'll make money later. Sep 19 22:54
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DaemonFC[m]The negotiation begins at the "manufacturers suggested retail price", which is a padded number to give the dealer the upper hand when negotiations start.Sep 19 22:55
DaemonFC[m]If you can't get them down by at least 4-5%, you may want to reconsider and try your luck somewhere else.Sep 19 22:55
DaemonFC[m]In all, it's a horrible and stressful process and it's entrenched into law because of special interests.Sep 19 22:56
DaemonFC[m]If you could buy a car direct from the manufactuer, it would save you an average of $2,600.Sep 19 22:56
DaemonFC[m]That's why dealerships are doing whatever it takes to get "Anti-Tesla" laws.Sep 19 22:56
DaemonFC[m]If they can get direct sales of Teslas bannd in that state, it means that a dealership opens up, buys the cars from Tesla, marks them up, and then tries to strongarm everyone who comes in the door. :PSep 19 22:57
DaemonFC[m]If Tesla gives up and leaves, they still win because then they can sell you a Chevy Bolt or something.Sep 19 22:57
DaemonFC[m]I don't think that the major car manufacturers are scared of Tesla at all. It's clear that Tesla will never make a dollar in profit. Like Uber, they are burning through investor capital at a fercious pace on the theory that they'll gain market share and then profit somewhere down the line. :PSep 19 22:59
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DaemonFC[m]It's also obvious why Elon Musk went on Joe Rogan and smoked a joint.Sep 19 22:59
DaemonFC[m]Tesla stock went down 10% and he bought more shares at that price, and then it bounced back up.Sep 19 22:59
DaemonFC[m]In our system right now, business does pretty much whatever it wants. Sep 19 23:00
DaemonFC[m]What he did was certainly illegal, yet he profits from it anyway.Sep 19 23:01
DaemonFC[m]I saw some articles about Sears failing. Eddie Lampert is blaming retirees for drawing their pension checks.Sep 19 23:01
DaemonFC[m]The guy is a real class act. :PSep 19 23:02
DaemonFC[m]Federal law says that if you smoke marijuana you can't get a security clearance. Sep 19 23:03
DaemonFC[m]Elon Musk has security clearances because NASA and the US Air Force gave SpaceX a bunch of contracts.Sep 19 23:04
DaemonFC[m]Last I heard, the Air Force said that they were looking into it, and then the news went quiet. Sep 19 23:04
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if some of our national secrets are being slipped to the Chinese through security breaches at companies like SpaceX.Sep 19 23:06
DaemonFC[m]The way Elon Musk runs companies, they're assembling Tesla Model 3s in a tent, and people are driving off the lot and having their bumpers fall off.Sep 19 23:06
DaemonFC[m]Quality!Sep 19 23:06
DaemonFC[m]I read a story about how if you buy a Tesla, they take really good care of you until the warranty ends and then you can barely find a place to have it serviced. Sep 19 23:07
DaemonFC[m]A guy in Washington state said that his warranty ran out and he had some major component fail and the car was undrivable, so Tesla kept pushing back his appointments and 3 weeks later he just gave up and found someone that's in the business of salvaging things from "parts cars".Sep 19 23:08
DaemonFC[m]It's kinda dicey because Tesla not only doesn't sell parts to any independents, they also don't publish repair manuals.Sep 19 23:08
MinceRand their cars are backdoored and unreliableSep 19 23:09
MinceRbut hey, it's 'hip' and 'cool' so who caresSep 19 23:09
DaemonFC[m]So he might trick people into buying a Tesla Model 3 for $40,000 that was slapped together in a tent by people working 70 hour weeks.Sep 19 23:09
DaemonFC[m]And they might be able to get service....for 3 years.Sep 19 23:09
DaemonFC[m]But after this, who wants to buy a car from them again?Sep 19 23:09
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yeah, I mean at least I could get my Kia serviced by an independent shop at some point if I needed to. Sep 19 23:10
MinceR:>Sep 19 23:10
DaemonFC[m]The air conditioner went out on me early this month.Sep 19 23:11
DaemonFC[m]They had me in and out in two days, and it was covered under the warranty.Sep 19 23:11
DaemonFC[m]They even gave me a car to drive in the mean time in case the part took too long to get there.Sep 19 23:11
DaemonFC[m]Although I think that they broke the second thing that was wrong with it after they fixed the first thing.Sep 19 23:12
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DaemonFC[m]The factory put 616 grams of freon in it, and it's supposed to have 550. So they had to evacuate and recharge the system.Sep 19 23:12
DaemonFC[m]I get in the car and it still doesn't work, and then I found a broken wiring harness. :PSep 19 23:12
DaemonFC[m]Well, no matter how it happened, they fixed it at no cost to me, so whatever. Sep 19 23:13
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Gotta say though that I don't know how these little cars get such high safety ratings. Sep 19 23:13
MinceRassistive technologiesSep 19 23:14
MinceRspecial materials used in the passenger cellSep 19 23:14
MinceRcrumple zonesSep 19 23:14
DaemonFC[m]That Crown Victoria had some weight to it and this Kia is made of sheet metal that's so thin you can push down on the hood and it'll pop down and then back up. :/Sep 19 23:14
MinceRlots of airbagsSep 19 23:14
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that'll total it, you know.Sep 19 23:14
MinceRyeah, but while the Crown Victoria itself may stay intact in a crash, you may get banged up since it doesn't absorb enough energySep 19 23:14
DaemonFC[m]All the airbags go off, on top of the damage to the car. :PSep 19 23:14
DaemonFC[m]Those things cost about $1,600 EACH to repack.Sep 19 23:15
MinceRbut hey, at least you get out aliveSep 19 23:15
DaemonFC[m]Eh, the Crown Victoria had front airbags.Sep 19 23:15
DaemonFC[m]No side airbags, but if it held up at least as well in a side impact as my old Lumina did, that wouldn't matter.Sep 19 23:15
DaemonFC[m]The door caught the impact even without an airbag going off. It was hit in the side by a PT Cruiser going about 55.Sep 19 23:16
DaemonFC[m]The guy was drunk and ran a stop light.Sep 19 23:16
MinceRthey do test side impactsSep 19 23:16
DaemonFC[m]It's actually fairly common for the airbag itself to injure you.Sep 19 23:17
DaemonFC[m]In the front, that's great because it beats having your head hit the steering wheel.Sep 19 23:17
DaemonFC[m]Dunno about the sides and the one in the ceiling.Sep 19 23:18
DaemonFC[m]It just seems like these new cars are too light and cheaply made to survive well in a wreck,Sep 19 23:18
MinceRit probably injures you less than the steel structural elements wouldSep 19 23:18
DaemonFC[m]I mean, the car will be finished for sure. I guess if it keeps me safe, that's great. Although by the time the finance company comes a calling, I might wish otherwise. :PSep 19 23:18
DaemonFC[m]Meh, John's stepmom had a lady run into the side of their Prius, and they got the Prius fixed. The airbags did go off.Sep 19 23:19
DaemonFC[m]The woman tried to flee the scene, but other people got in the way and trapped her there.Sep 19 23:20
DaemonFC[m]It's nice to know there are still good people out there, I guess.Sep 19 23:20
DaemonFC[m]I don't know whose first reaction is to try to flee. Sep 19 23:20
DaemonFC[m]They will find you and it will be a felony when they do.Sep 19 23:20
MinceRoh, but they're too smart to be foundSep 19 23:21
MinceR...or so they believe.Sep 19 23:21
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, funny how that almost never works out. :)Sep 19 23:21
DaemonFC[m]Mom's ex husband Brian's son got out on bail and fled Indiana to go to Alabama. Sep 19 23:22
DaemonFC[m]5 years later, he's back in Indiana and the driver of the truck he's in gets pulled over for speeding. Sep 19 23:22
DaemonFC[m]So he gets arrested and sentenced to 2 weeks for what he ran away from, a year for running away, and then while he was down in Alabama, he was working with a bunch of illegal immigrants under a stolen Social Security number, and the business gets raided.Sep 19 23:23
DaemonFC[m]The IRS finds out that he hasn't been paying his taxes.Sep 19 23:23
DaemonFC[m]So, while all of this was going on, I was living with mom and Brian, and I didn't like his son very much, so I called the IRS anonymously and told them where he was.Sep 19 23:24
DaemonFC[m]I swear everyone around me has relatives like that. Now it's John's sister's boyfriend. He thinks that living in Indiana makes him safe from a Texas arrest warrant.Sep 19 23:27
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DaemonFC[m]Oh wonderful.Sep 19 23:31
DaemonFC[m]I got my annual notice that my prescription drug plan is getting shittier and more expensive.Sep 19 23:31
DaemonFC[m]Hooray!Sep 19 23:31
DaemonFC[m]Now all I need is my annual notice from the landlord that my apartment is getting shittier and more expensive.Sep 19 23:33
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: There was that guy who was having a heart attack and had his car drive him to the hospital.Sep 19 23:38
DaemonFC[m]I guess there was the upside that his self driving car saved him $3,000 on the ambulance ride. :PSep 19 23:39
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: Heart attack there is a time factor as well.   Shorter time to treatment the better.Sep 20 00:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LKML: Edward Cree: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.Sep 20 07:46
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oiaohmMinceR: its a over due debate over the Code of Conduct /Code of Conflict. 20 08:07
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oiaohmMinceR: waiting until two parties are already out for blood as the old Code of Conflict did for the Linux kernel has been a problem.Sep 20 08:08
MinceRit would be better if the people who waste the time of kernel developers with bullshit like this would not do soSep 20 08:09
schestowitzhmmmSep 20 08:12
schestowitzmy laptop screen started having some wavy sort of blickingSep 20 08:13
schestowitzlike brightness going up and down real fastSep 20 08:13
MinceRit would also be better if microsoft and vmware didn't get even more power over Linux than they already haveSep 20 08:13
schestowitzany fix for this?Sep 20 08:13
schestowitz10-year-old laptopSep 20 08:13
MinceRdunnoSep 20 08:13
oiaohmMinceR: read the Code of Conflict it says the linux foundations tab will apply their rules to this.   Without in fact telling anyone what the rules are.Sep 20 08:13
MinceRoiaohm: of course. this is a CoC written by a crybully.Sep 20 08:14
oiaohmMinceR: really there has been need to a proper code of conduct that the developers of the Linux kernel do agree on.Sep 20 08:14
MinceRdid you expect anything about it to be benign?Sep 20 08:14
oiaohmI am expecting 12 to 18 months of dispute over it.Sep 20 08:14
oiaohmschestowitz: normally old laptop screen issues the simplest is plug in external monitor more often than not its the cable though the hinge getting too cracked and at 10 years old getting a replacement one can be very uphill.Sep 20 08:16
oiaohmMinceR: please note using CoC is not helpful with the Linux kernel the old one is Code of Conflict that is CoC and the new one is Code of Conduct.Sep 20 08:18
oiaohmMinceR: also CoCSep 20 08:18
MinceRCall of CthulhuSep 20 08:18
oiaohmFairly much.Sep 20 08:18
oiaohmMinceR: playing Call of Cthulhu and solving it would be simpler than working out the out come of a complaint under the old Code of Conflict.Sep 20 08:19
MinceRwhile under the new one you just get thrown out if microsoft or vmware wants you goneSep 20 08:20
oiaohmMinceR: That is true under the old Code of Conflict.  Go read the simple beast.Sep 20 08:21
MinceRstill true under the new oneSep 20 08:21
oiaohmMinceR: If however, anyone feels personally abused, threatened, or otherwise uncomfortable due to this process, that is not acceptable. << This is Code of ConflictSep 20 08:22
oiaohmThis is way more vague than the new Code of Conduct.Sep 20 08:22
oiaohmAnd way more abuseable.Sep 20 08:22
oiaohmYes new Code of Conduct is most likely not 100 percent right but its hell of a improvement on the old Code of Conflict.Sep 20 08:23
MinceRno it is notSep 20 08:23
MinceRit does the same things, but in a more bureaucrat- and lawyer-friendly way, and by copying a text written by a well known crybully politicianSep 20 08:23
MinceRwho attacks free software projects for funSep 20 08:24
oiaohmMinceR: have you read both.Sep 20 08:25
MinceRyes, i haveSep 20 08:26
oiaohmRepresentation of a project may be further defined and clarified by project maintainers.  <<I guess you missed this line in the new one.Sep 20 08:30
oiaohmMinceR: past one its purely Linux foundation tab that sets the rules.Sep 20 08:31
MinceRand in the new one it's the LF TAB that applies themSep 20 08:32
MinceRoops, LDF TABSep 20 08:32
oiaohmMinceR: there is a clause on the TAB in the new one.    "appropriate to the circumstances"<< so circumstances include maintainers rules.Sep 20 08:34
oiaohmMinceR: prior one Linux Foundation TAB could write the rules how ever they liked.Sep 20 08:35
MinceRthey can still apply them however they likeSep 20 08:36
oiaohmNot using the Code of Conduct.Sep 20 08:36
MinceRthey're responsible to the LDF and no one elseSep 20 08:36
MinceRthey can claim something violates some random rule they point toSep 20 08:37
oiaohmPast one Linux Foundation TAB did not have to point to a rule instead they could just make one up.Sep 20 08:38
oiaohmMinceR: I will give you it is not much of a improvemnet.Sep 20 08:39
oiaohmBut its an area that has needing some serous work.  Sep 20 08:39
MinceRyeah, just not in this directionSep 20 08:40
oiaohmSo you would agree that the past Code of Conflict is also badly broken.Sep 20 08:41
MinceRi doSep 20 08:41
oiaohmI hope the Code of Conduct starts a proper debate and something proper in the end comes out.   Sep 20 08:42
oiaohmCode of Conduct has a few minor improvements but there are still a lot of changes require before its a good project code of conduct.Sep 20 08:43
MinceRit also has at least two major issues compared to the Code of ConflictSep 20 08:44
MinceRone is being a copy of something published by a crybully, the other is that the language on focusing on making the code good was removedSep 20 08:44
MinceR(obviously the latter does not matter to crybullies)Sep 20 08:44
oiaohmMinceR: I would agree  << the postgresql would have been a way better starting point.Sep 20 08:45
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MinceRway too longSep 20 08:47
MinceRfocus should be on code, not on politicsSep 20 08:47
MinceRoh, yeah, that's the third thing in which the new CoC is worse than the old oneSep 20 08:47
MinceR(also not on legal code :> )Sep 20 08:49
oiaohmHaving a community that works always has some politics.Sep 20 08:50
MinceRa community that works doesn't need pages of legal code for this purposeSep 20 08:51
oiaohmBut you do need some rules Sep 20 08:53
oiaohmOf course I do agree they should be kept as short as possible in plain language.Sep 20 08:53
MinceRno, i do notSep 20 08:54
oiaohmPlease note none these are what get called legal code.   Legalese/legal english common get called legal code.Sep 20 08:55
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schestowitz[08:16] <oiaohm> schestowitz: normally old laptop screen issues the simplest is plug in external monitor more often than not its the cable though the hinge getting too cracked and at 10 years old getting a replacement one can be very uphill.Sep 20 08:55
schestowitzmakes sense, it has gotten less severe in recent minutesSep 20 08:55
MinceRit will be used like legal code, just watch and you'll seeSep 20 08:55
schestowitzand yes, it seems to have an effect when I plug in the externalSep 20 08:55
oiaohmschestowitz: so by that dieing on board video card.Sep 20 08:56
oiaohmschestowitz: yes there is absolutely no point getting a new screen cable if the external port does not well because its normally worse hardware problems.Sep 20 08:57
oiaohmMinceR: used like legal code I would agree that is on the cards.   But its not pure nasty legal code where you need a legal PHD to understand what it means.Sep 20 08:58
MinceRdon't really need one, as long as the LDF calls all the shotsSep 20 08:58
MinceRgranted, it would make it even more impenetrable and bureaucraticSep 20 08:58
MinceRso it would make sense for them to get some of their lawyer army on the caseSep 20 08:59
oiaohmMinceR: problem you are not allowing on what says the Linux foundation TAB is not using their own internal written Code of Conduct to process the past problems.Sep 20 09:02
oiaohmIf there are rules being applied to conduct I prefer them to be openly published.Sep 20 09:02
MinceRi think the LDF shouldn't even existSep 20 09:04
MinceRincluding the TABSep 20 09:04
schestowitzoiaohm: ok, thanksSep 20 09:06
oiaohmschestowitz: I guess its time for a new laptop.Sep 20 09:09
oiaohmschestowitz: or a newer laptop.Sep 20 09:10
schestowitz:-(Sep 20 09:11
schestowitzhow long might this screen last?Sep 20 09:11
schestowitzit's still usableSep 20 09:11
schestowitzthe blinking is just brightness wise, doesn't switch offSep 20 09:11
oiaohmschestowitz: cannot tell you.  How long a fault like will last.  If it happen on external monitor its the onboard card logic dieing.  These die at different rates.\Sep 20 09:13
schestowitzThis isn't on externalSep 20 09:14
schestowitzonly the laptop's own screenSep 20 09:14
oiaohmschestowitz: that would most likely be the backlight.Sep 20 09:14
schestowitzyeahSep 20 09:14
schestowitzseems soSep 20 09:14
schestowitzany fix?Sep 20 09:14
schestowitzlike lowing backlight level?Sep 20 09:14
oiaohmschestowitz: in old units they are basically a florescent tube.Sep 20 09:14
oiaohmDie exactly the same way.Sep 20 09:15
oiaohmFirst flickering then not working at all.Sep 20 09:15
oiaohmOnly real fix is replacement part.Sep 20 09:15
oiaohm10 year old laptop getting part is going to be hard.Sep 20 09:15
schestowitzyes, I knowSep 20 09:16
schestowitzand expensiveSep 20 09:16
oiaohmAnd labour cost is also going to be a problem.Sep 20 09:16
MinceR 20 09:16
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oiaohmRarely you take apart a laptop and get it 100 percent back how it was as well.Sep 20 09:16
schestowitzcheers, oiaohmSep 20 09:18
oiaohmschestowitz: some of these lowering backlight levels speeds up death as wellSep 20 09:18
schestowitzuseful tipsSep 20 09:18
oiaohmschestowitz: ie more turning on and off not good.Sep 20 09:19
schestowitzand no way to delay the death?Sep 20 09:19
schestowitzLike lowering brightness?Sep 20 09:19
oiaohmschestowitz: depends on what is inside.Sep 20 09:19
schestowitzhere's the thingSep 20 09:19
oiaohmschestowitz: some you need to increase brightness to extend life some you decrease brightness and some are going to die in the same amount of time no matter what you do.Sep 20 09:19
schestowitzassuming it might, at some stage, die... I can still use the laptop with externalSep 20 09:20
schestowitzmight be tricky in some regardsSep 20 09:20
oiaohmIts not might at some stage die once they start doing that they will die at some point.Sep 20 09:20
oiaohmThe backlight will die to be correct.Sep 20 09:20
oiaohmOne I did get lucky that a mirror fittered behind LCD did work.Sep 20 09:21
oiaohmIe took out the stopped backlight and cut a plastic mirror to size.Sep 20 09:21
schestowitzI fixed a screen on my compaq laptop 18 years agoSep 20 09:21
oiaohmOf course it need a well light room after that.Sep 20 09:21
schestowitzbut back then I need to replace only wiringSep 20 09:22
oiaohmWiring is number 1 failure.Sep 20 09:22
schestowitzin this case I need to salvage the data when the screen dies for goodSep 20 09:22
oiaohmBacklight is number 2 problem.Sep 20 09:22
schestowitzI reckon it can still start with the external one to see what I am doingSep 20 09:22
oiaohmNumber 3 is controller on motherboard.Sep 20 09:22
oiaohmNumber 4 is the LCD it self.Sep 20 09:22
oiaohmThat is about the order of how common the failures are with laptop screens.Sep 20 09:23
oiaohmschestowitz: turn the backlight off completely and get a bright torch.  Some are read able in that condition.Sep 20 09:23
schestowitzyeah, 10 years seems decentSep 20 09:24
schestowitzhow much do you reckon it has left? days? weeks? months?Sep 20 09:24
oiaohmschestowitz: can not give.  Its like the flicking flooresent tube .  It could be hours, days or a year or 2.Sep 20 09:25
schestowitzI'll see how fast it gets worseSep 20 09:25
schestowitzand not let it switch off too muchSep 20 09:25
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oiaohmAlso this is like a cliff falure as wel.Sep 20 09:26
oiaohmSo can appear not to be getting any worse then magically instant stop.Sep 20 09:26
oiaohmschestowitz: basically there is no way to work out how much time is left.  And no way to attempt to guess how much is left.Sep 20 09:27
oiaohmschestowitz: all you can say its still working in 3 years you should have tested your luck on something else.Sep 20 09:27
oiaohmschestowitz: so its somewhere between the next second and 3 years time.Sep 20 09:28
schestowitzok, goodSep 20 09:29
schestowitzfingers crossed thenSep 20 09:29
schestowitzit's still a workable screen, the flickering is meagerSep 20 09:29
schestowitzMinceR: we lost the connection a couple of times overnightSep 20 09:30
schestowitzlocal work, ISP issueSep 20 09:30
oiaohmschestowitz: there is another problem.  UV output of screen can increase.Sep 20 09:30
schestowitzdid we miss anything in this channel (you can see when I was offline)?Sep 20 09:30
oiaohmschestowitz: as the backlight fails.Sep 20 09:30
schestowitz(need to know for the logging)Sep 20 09:30
oiaohmschestowitz: you do wear glasses when using the computer with UV protection ?Sep 20 09:30
schestowitzI'd worry more about 3 laptops with wi-fi always on around meSep 20 09:30
schestowitznoSep 20 09:31
oiaohmThat UV problem is no problem to me because I wear glasses.Sep 20 09:31
oiaohmand all my glasses are UV400 coated.Sep 20 09:31
schestowitzI never thought of UV aspects since the CRT days were overSep 20 09:32
schestowitzand even then it wasn' t UV AFAIKSep 20 09:32
oiaohmflorescent backlights and tubes working normally have very low UV levels lot lower than CRT so not a threat.   When they are dieing its a different problem.Sep 20 09:33
schestowitzchanging tubes would be impractical on laptopsSep 20 09:34
schestowitzand hard with such proprietary hardwareSep 20 09:34
schestowitzcheaper to buy a new one :(Sep 20 09:34
oiaohmschestowitz: when I say not threat the levels are that low they are not detectable.Sep 20 09:36
oiaohmschestowitz: UV output comes when the backlight is breaking down/failing.Sep 20 09:36
oiaohmbacklight/tubeSep 20 09:36
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oiaohmschestowitz: even in break down with computer and table screens the UV levels are not high enough to effect human skin.  Its only the back of your eye that is really weak enough with hours of looking at screen to have adverse issues.Sep 20 09:39
MinceRschestowitz: if you mean the period from 2:00 to 8:00, there were no messages then, only joins and quits (not sure about parts)Sep 20 09:41
schestowitzah, goodSep 20 09:42
schestowitzI was worried about itSep 20 09:42
schestowitzworried more about being on shift at work and not seeing the nagios stuff, :-)Sep 20 09:42
MinceR:)Sep 20 09:42
schestowitzviera is backSep 20 09:42
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schestowitzoiaohm: will let you know how I get on, thanks for these tips!Sep 20 09:49
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DaemonFC[m]Red Hat stock was down yesterday. They missed revenue estimates and gave weak guidance for the next quarter. I wonder what's going on.Sep 20 19:15
DaemonFC[m]I can't imagine that Ubuntu is costing them too many customers.Sep 20 19:15
DaemonFC[m]They blame a weakening dollar. When the dollar is down, it makes products denominated in it more affordable internationally and should increase sales. But I suppose that since RHEL is subscription revenue,  that's taking value away from those existing subscriptions,  which they still have to honor. So.....maybe that is part of the problem.Sep 20 19:19
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DaemonFC[m]And there is another problem,  because if you raise prices to get your real income back where it should be, it pisses your clients off.Sep 20 19:20
DaemonFC[m]Whatever the case, I think that the value of RHT is down too much and that this is probably a good buying opportunity.Sep 20 19:21
DaemonFC[m]People tend to oversell on bad news, and this isn't terrific news, but it also doesn't justify a 10% drop.Sep 20 19:22
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: redhat has operations around the world.    And those wages are not paid in USD.Sep 20 19:25
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: so Redhat profits go down when USD drops because relative costs go up.Sep 20 19:26
schestowitzthat's what they claimSep 20 19:26
schestowitzas they did in their last quarterSep 20 19:27
schestowitzbut such excuses will run drySep 20 19:27
oiaohmNo that is what happens with multinationals.Sep 20 19:27
oiaohmBut I don't believe last quaters numbers was all that.Sep 20 19:27
oiaohmschestowitz:   Also remember redhat has quite big operations in Australia.  Its not a wage cheap place particular when USD drops.Sep 20 19:33
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schestowitzAPAC #redhat people are in sg alsoSep 20 19:42
schestowitznow sure how many in au and nzSep 20 19:42
schestowitzmost are us-basedSep 20 19:42
MinceRtoo manySep 20 19:42
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MinceRwhich is true of redhat in generalSep 20 19:43
oiaohmschestowitz: Its like cisco systems they have 3 support centres around the world spaced like 8 hours in time around the earth apart so no one has to work nightshift.    Companies providing support do this lot.  It avoid having as many errors due to people being excessively tired.Sep 20 19:48
oiaohmschestowitz: this means support companies are adveresly effective by currency change.Sep 20 19:48
oiaohmIts fine while their billing currency goes up but its horrible in most cases on them when billing currency goes down.Sep 20 19:49
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MinceR 20 20:20
XRevan86I wonder where the notion of an academic lateness originatedSep 20 20:32
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MinceRwhat is that?Sep 20 20:37
XRevan86a concept that a student only has to wait for the lecturer for 15 minutes.Sep 20 20:38
XRevan86"academic lateness" is a calque from Russian "академическое опоздание" (I did my best %))Sep 20 20:39
MinceR 20 20:39
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MinceRicSep 20 20:40
MinceRprobably from pupils/studentsSep 20 20:40
XRevan86seems to be internationalSep 20 20:40
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XRevan86except I didn't see a fancy term for that in English like there is in Russian :)Sep 20 20:41
XRevan86sounds officialSep 20 20:41
MinceRperhaps it originates from russia :>Sep 20 20:41
XRevan86MinceR: It is a possibility :)Sep 20 20:42
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XRevan86but it could as well be not, or developed independently evenSep 20 20:47
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DaemonFC[m]Upgraded Opus, Opus-Tools, and libopusenc, to the latest versions. 1.3-rc2 for Opus. Trying it out starting with my Talking Heads collection.Sep 20 22:16
DaemonFC[m]I have a script that can quickly re-encode my entire music library, so it's very little effort to do this.Sep 20 22:17
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schestowitzoiaohm: hiSep 21 08:10
schestowitzgood newsSep 21 08:10
schestowitzI started the power management daemonSep 21 08:10
schestowitzhaving tinkered with refresh rates and all in vainSep 21 08:10
schestowitzI found that lowering the brightness for this screen stopped all the filckeringSep 21 08:11
schestowitzoiaohm: completelySep 21 08:11
schestowitzso I'll just keep it on low brightness for nowSep 21 08:11
schestowitzmaybe an aging factor, whatever gives it more lifetime would delay migration painsSep 21 08:11
schestowitzroy@ted:~$ uptimeSep 21 08:12
schestowitz 08:12:02 up 269 days, 20:20,  3 users,  load average: 0.25, 0.39, 0.56Sep 21 08:12
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MinceR 21 08:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux's new CoC is a piece of shit. : linuxSep 21 08:48
MinceRoiaohm: ^Sep 21 08:48
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DaemonFC[m]It doesn't surprise me that this would happen sooner or letter.Sep 21 09:31
DaemonFC[m]With all of the trolls like Sarah Sharp, they/them/it/xe/she/whatever lurking around screaming about the indignity of it all.Sep 21 09:31
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I guess Linus finally microaggressed a microaggression too far.Sep 21 09:33
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oiaohmMinceR: notice its starting debate.Sep 21 10:05
oiaohmMinceR: postgresql at the start was also garbage do notice that the postgresql contains clause that false claims are serous offence.Sep 21 10:06
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: yes Linus did take it too far.  stackleak developer got verbally insulted for doing something wrong that other maintainers had not raise issue with and had no way know that bug on was not to be use.  His bug on usage was only the case of security abnormal behavour.Sep 21 10:08
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: its one thing to be abusing someone who is intentionally doing stuff wrong.  Its another to rip the living heck someone who had no way to know that what they were doing was wrong.Sep 21 10:09
oiaohmschestowitz:  As I said it depends on the driver.   Lower brightness causing the flicker to stop means its most likely one that uses a heavy boost circuit to generate higher voltage for higher brightness.   Those lowering brightness does extend life a bit.Sep 21 10:19
oiaohmschestowitz: but that bit could be less then a min of extra life.Sep 21 10:19
MinceRoiaohm: the other maintainers are useless, see kdbusSep 21 10:22
MinceRalso, again, why the fuck do they put the cart before the horseSep 21 10:23
MinceRthey already committed the crybully CoC to master, and _then_ they "start the debate"?Sep 21 10:23
MinceRi must admit, the GNU/Linux people are making really good arguments for switching to OpenBSD, NetBSD or DragonflyBSD lately.Sep 21 10:23
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schestowitzoiaohm: thanks for the tips anywaySep 21 11:07
schestowitzhelped drive me towards something more workableSep 21 11:08
schestowitzscreen still legible enoughSep 21 11:08
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schestowitzMinceR: I don't get itSep 21 13:14
schestowitzbut didn't look closely enoughSep 21 13:14
MinceRyugioh vs yugoslaviaSep 21 13:14
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MinceRstraw fight?Sep 21 19:50
XRevan86MinceR: that tooSep 21 19:51
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Supposedly, there's a grocery price war going on.Sep 22 09:08
DaemonFC[m]It's strange how I haven't noticed this. It seems the only way they ever go is up.Sep 22 09:08
DaemonFC[m]I used to work in the frozen food section at Walmart 14 years ago.Sep 22 09:09
DaemonFC[m]While I was there, a Banquet chicken pot pie cost 50 cents. Sep 22 09:09
DaemonFC[m]I looked and today the same thing sells for 96 cents. Sep 22 09:09
DaemonFC[m]That's an alarming amount of food price inflation. It means that the price of food has, perhaps, doubled in the last 15 years. Sep 22 09:10
DaemonFC[m]Now, how can that be? The government tells us inflation has been running at 2 or 2.5% all these years, and even at 3%, prices take 30 years to double.Sep 22 09:11
DaemonFC[m]To get around this and release their fake numbers, the Federal Reserve releases "headline inflation". This excludes food and energy because the price is "volatile", and so they like to point to "core inflation", which excludes both.Sep 22 09:12
DaemonFC[m]Even though the average household spends a third of its money on food and half its money between food and energy.Sep 22 09:13
DaemonFC[m]Energy being everything from gasoline, to natural gas, to electricity.Sep 22 09:13
DaemonFC[m]What's going on with food isn't _quite_ hyperinflation, but it is far worse than the government is letting on.Sep 22 09:14
MinceRah, so not only the hungarian government likes to lie about inflatinoSep 22 09:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CoralineAda: I can’t wait for the mass exodus from Linux now that it’s been infiltrated by SJWs. Hahahah 22 20:40
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