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AdmFubarhi allNov 18 00:09
AdmFubarhave you seen this article? 18 00:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Corel Wrongly Accuses Licensed User of Piracy, Disables Software Remotely - TorrentFreakNov 18 00:09
MinceRnot yetNov 18 00:09
MinceRPain Shop ProNov 18 00:10
MinceRtime for them to switch to gimp, i guessNov 18 00:14
DaemonFC[m]I just read an interesting statistic, MinceR Nov 18 00:15
DaemonFC[m]70% of newly marketed drugs have no therapeutic benefits over older generic drugs.Nov 18 00:16
DaemonFC[m]It's interesting that doctors here always tend to prescribe the most expensive possible treatment and don't even care to ask if you can afford it.Nov 18 00:16
DaemonFC[m]They pay it no mind at all. Nov 18 00:16
DaemonFC[m]I once had a doctor write out a prescription for some medicine and then when I got to the pharmacy, found out it was going to cost $235 to fill it (for a month's supply). There was an older version of the ame drug that was as effective, but you had to take it twice a day instead of once a day. It was $4 a month.Nov 18 00:18
DaemonFC[m]I went back to the doctor's office and asked if they could have her replace the prescription for the older form of the drug and she did, and that's what I ended up staying on.Nov 18 00:18
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DaemonFC[m]I still haven't eaten any of these edibles yet.Nov 18 00:31
DaemonFC[m]Leafly tells me that 10 mg THC is about like smoking a standard half-gram joint.Nov 18 00:31
DaemonFC[m]I've smoked about that much a few times, but honestly I think half of a gummy is probably a better place to start since I don't know exactly what will happen.Nov 18 00:32
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Probably some promotional contract of sortsNov 18 00:34
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Are there state hospitals in the US?Nov 18 00:34
XRevan86 hahNov 18 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Children’s show is propaganda for Putin, say critics | News | The TimesNov 18 00:40
XRevan86amusingNov 18 00:40
XRevan86The paywall is not so amusingNov 18 00:41
DaemonFC[m]DaemonFC: Are there state hospitals in the US?Nov 18 00:42
DaemonFC[m]"State Hospital" is kind of a bad thing.Nov 18 00:42
DaemonFC[m]Most of the states still have mental hospitals, but being sent there isn't good.Nov 18 00:42
DaemonFC[m]They try to keep you out of them by having some sort of outpatient community mental health system, but they still treat you bad. Nov 18 00:43
DaemonFC[m]No, the government hospitals (not mental ones) are mostly VA hospitals for current and former military.Nov 18 00:43
DaemonFC[m]They'll take you to the VA's ER if it's the closest one and you're going to die, but you will be billed for it by the government if that happens.Nov 18 00:44
DaemonFC[m]There are also certain cases where you can end up being admitted to a military hospital as a civilian, like if you have a rare condition that needs to be treated right away and they're the only one in the region.Nov 18 00:44
DaemonFC[m]Again, you will be billed. And insurance companies treat those as "out of network", so you'll get billed a lot of money.Nov 18 00:45
DaemonFC[m]One woman on Reddit says she was sent to a military hospital in San Antonio because of a rare, life threatening condition that her local hospital couldn't treat. Nov 18 00:45
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DaemonFC[m]They billed her insurance $40,000 and it paid $12,000, saying that the cost of the treatment was "above usual and customary amounts", and then she got stuck with a $28,000 hospital bill even though she had insurance.Nov 18 00:46
DaemonFC[m]Fucking insurance companies.Nov 18 00:46
DaemonFC[m]So, you guessed it, they demanded that she set up a payment plan or get sent to collections and then sued. Nov 18 00:47
DaemonFC[m]The longest payment plan they offer is 3 years, which comes out to about $780 a month.Nov 18 00:47
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I can get an apartment with this amount of cashNov 18 00:47
XRevan86to ownNov 18 00:47
DaemonFC[m]And if she doesn't pay it, they could end up garnishing her paychecks, taking her house, taking her car....Nov 18 00:48
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86: Right, which is why she was asking for advice.Nov 18 00:48
DaemonFC[m]I told her fuck the hospital and file bankruptcy.Nov 18 00:48
DaemonFC[m]She'll have bad credit for 10 years, but it beats having the hospital put her out on the street. Nov 18 00:48
XRevan86If I ever go to another country to live, it's not going to be the USNov 18 00:48
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and you can only file bankruptcy once every 7 years.Nov 18 00:49
DaemonFC[m]So if anything else happens and you owe the hospital more money, you're fucked.Nov 18 00:49
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86: Rich people donate to the hospitals. Liberal guilt or something. I don't know.Nov 18 00:50
MinceR 18 00:50
DaemonFC[m]Fuck if I know where the money goes. It doesn't seem to be getting used to help patients with their bills.Nov 18 00:50
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: They should donate to make the system more democraticNov 18 00:50
MinceRwhat's "liberal guilt"?Nov 18 00:50
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: When rich white people feel guilty that they're doing well when others aren't, often due to the policies that they put into place. So they throw money at charity and make themselves feel better, even though the people wouldn't need charity if there were good paying jobs and an actual safety net.Nov 18 00:52
DaemonFC[m]MinceRThe term for those people is "Limosine Liberals".Nov 18 00:52
DaemonFC[m]Rich people who are part of the problem who style themselves as "progressive".Nov 18 00:52
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I can understand why we, Russians, are helpless to change for us, the common folk, through the state institutionsNov 18 00:52
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: It appears as if the US citizens have a similiar problem, and it weirds me out.Nov 18 00:53
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86: It's not much better here. I was ecstatic when the Affordable Care Act passed because I thought that the problems with our health care system were over.Nov 18 00:53
DaemonFC[m]Turned out that they were just beginning. Nov 18 00:53
DaemonFC[m]If that's the best that flipping complete control of the government over to Democras could do, I'm not impressed anymore.Nov 18 00:54
XRevan86It weirds me out, because we Russians just know, we do not live in a democracy. At least a big majority does.Nov 18 00:54
XRevan86but Americans… oh noNov 18 00:54
DaemonFC[m]The system is very resistant to actual change.Nov 18 00:54
DaemonFC[m]It fights you for every inch.Nov 18 00:54
MinceRi seeNov 18 00:54
DaemonFC[m]The ACA/Obamacare left in place the big rotten health care catastrophe that was about to fall apart on its own, propped it all up with an unbelievable amount of government subsidies, and now tens of millions still can't actually afford medical care.Nov 18 00:56
DaemonFC[m]I've lived under both systems, and if anything, it's even worse now. Nov 18 00:57
DaemonFC[m]I used to think that $235 to fill a prescription was bad, but now?Nov 18 00:57
DaemonFC[m]$1,500....$15,000.....$30,000 for some.Nov 18 00:57
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, one of my psych meds retailed at $1,300 a month until it went generic this year. Nov 18 00:58
DaemonFC[m]The generic version still costs $300.Nov 18 00:58
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DaemonFC[m]Meanwhile, there's an older version of it that actually works better for me, the whole time.Nov 18 00:58
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Remind what drug it isNov 18 00:58
DaemonFC[m]$18.Nov 18 00:58
XRevan86I wanna check how much it would cost meNov 18 00:58
DaemonFC[m]Seroquel XR...Generic is Quetiapine XR.Nov 18 00:59
DaemonFC[m]I was on 400 mg. Nov 18 00:59
DaemonFC[m]Now I take 100 mg Quetiapine immediate release. Nov 18 00:59
DaemonFC[m]Just at night. The big selling point is that it knocks me out cold and I sleep every night.Nov 18 00:59
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DaemonFC[m]It's almost secondary that it's the first drug that's ever had antidepressant effects on me.Nov 18 01:00
DaemonFC[m]I can't take Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors, at least not by themselves. Nov 18 01:00
DaemonFC[m]Tthose send me into bipolar mania or a mixed state. Nov 18 01:00
XRevan86apparently I can by Seroquel XR for 1315 rublesNov 18 01:01
DaemonFC[m]They had me on SSRIs with Lithium at one point, but they didn't check my levels and I was poisoned.Nov 18 01:01
DaemonFC[m]Ended up having tonic-clonic seizures and in the hospital.Nov 18 01:01
XRevan86which would be $20 by the current courseNov 18 01:01
DaemonFC[m]Seroquel XR 400?Nov 18 01:02
XRevan86100mgNov 18 01:02
DaemonFC[m]What's the 400 go for?Nov 18 01:02
DaemonFC[m]And the 100 of the regular version?Nov 18 01:02
XRevan86it calls it №60Nov 18 01:03
DaemonFC[m]Quetiapine extended release generic 150 goes for $24-35 if you use GoodRX.Nov 18 01:03
DaemonFC[m]Depends on which pharmacy.Nov 18 01:03
DaemonFC[m]That's generic for Seroquel XR 150.Nov 18 01:03
DaemonFC[m]Shit. The price has collapsed recently.Nov 18 01:04
DaemonFC[m]Says I can get 90 of the 400 mg for $80 at Walmart with GoodRX.Nov 18 01:04
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: So by "400" you mean 400mg, right?Nov 18 01:04
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Nov 18 01:05
XRevan86found it on a Ukrainian website for 1100 grivnasNov 18 01:05
DaemonFC[m]It looks like it's cheaper to use GoodRX and go to Walmart for that if I filled it now than it would be to use my insurance.Nov 18 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Insurance copay is sitting at $147.Nov 18 01:06
XRevan86which is… 1 / 27.54 USDNov 18 01:06
XRevan86So $40Nov 18 01:07
XRevan86No insurance implied at allNov 18 01:07
XRevan86that's the branded versionNov 18 01:07
DaemonFC[m]90 days for $80 is 89 cents a day or $26.66 for 30.Nov 18 01:07
XRevan86should I look for the generic one? :)Nov 18 01:07
DaemonFC[m]You save on prescriptions by getting 90 days filles instead of 30 at a time.Nov 18 01:07
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DaemonFC[m]You usually end up with 3 months worth at the cost of 60 days had you filled them 30 at a time. Nov 18 01:08
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86: I'd be a bit leery about buying them off some Ukrainian website.Nov 18 01:08
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: DDG just prefers them for some reasonNov 18 01:08
DaemonFC[m]Medication errors happen at US pharmacies, and god knows what I'd get in the mail from Ukraine. Nov 18 01:09
XRevan86I really should find a better search engine %)Nov 18 01:09
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DaemonFC[m]There was a guy with Hep C who couldn't afford $1,000 per pill for Sovaldi.Nov 18 01:09
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Just making a simple point that even with insurance it's more expensive to get medications in the US than in Russia or UkraineNov 18 01:09
XRevan86and probably other places tooNov 18 01:09
DaemonFC[m]He went on some website in India and bought a complete 90 day course of the meds for $5,000.Nov 18 01:09
XRevan86in EuropeNov 18 01:10
DaemonFC[m]Went to the doctor and showed that he was cured.Nov 18 01:10
DaemonFC[m]Oh, insurance copays here are terrible.Nov 18 01:10
DaemonFC[m]It can be less expensive to just use GoodRX.Nov 18 01:10
DaemonFC[m]Skip the insurance altogether. Nov 18 01:10
DaemonFC[m]The only problem with it is that your meds only count toward your deductible if you fill them with insurance.Nov 18 01:10
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XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I'm not saying that you should buy drugs from the InternetNov 18 01:11
XRevan86The prices I saw are for the local market, they probably simply won't ship itNov 18 01:11
DaemonFC[m]The Spectre mitigatins just keep getting worse. I might disable them soon.Nov 18 01:11
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86: You have to worry about several things as an American buying from a foreign pharmacy.Nov 18 01:12
DaemonFC[m]1. They may be a scam and just keep your money and send you nothing.Nov 18 01:12
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DaemonFC[m]2. They could send you fake pills and then you don't know what will happen when you take them.Nov 18 01:12
DaemonFC[m]3. They send you the real thing and US Customs might decide to open it up and then seize it. Nov 18 01:13
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Maybe there's a respectable oneNov 18 01:13
XRevan86seems like a big market to takeNov 18 01:13
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86: If Customs intercepts it, you may have bigger problems than just being out the money.Nov 18 01:13
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Contrabant allegations?Nov 18 01:14
XRevan86* ContrabandNov 18 01:14
DaemonFC[m]They can put you on a "special list" for importing counterfeit merchandise, and then you'll go through several layers of hell every time you get on an international flight and again when you come back.Nov 18 01:14
DaemonFC[m]Taken to a room and questioned, etc. Nov 18 01:14
DaemonFC[m]It happened to one guy for buying a designer briefcase on Amazon.Nov 18 01:15
DaemonFC[m]He never got it, so he filed a dispute against the seller with his bank and won and got his money back.Nov 18 01:15
DaemonFC[m]Then Customs started giving him "special screenings" every time he went on an international trip.Nov 18 01:15
XRevan86and then it turned out that it was seized?Nov 18 01:15
DaemonFC[m]Found out that it all traced back to the briefcase.Nov 18 01:16
DaemonFC[m]Yep, they seized it and put him on "the list".Nov 18 01:16
XRevan86and people were mad at the social credit system in China %)Nov 18 01:16
DaemonFC[m]It was a third party merchant and they were shipping a counterfeit to him from overseas.Nov 18 01:16
DaemonFC[m]XRevan86: Back when Canonical would send you free Ubuntu discs, I had Customs open one of them up. Got it in the mail with Customs tape on it saying that it had been inspected. Nov 18 01:17
DaemonFC[m]And it was literally a paper envelope with some Ubuntu installation CDs in it.Nov 18 01:17
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: It can kill a Windows installationNov 18 01:18
XRevan86an obvious virusNov 18 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, that was why I asked them for one.Nov 18 01:19
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: heh :)Nov 18 01:19
schestowitzXRevan86: Sunday Times is propaganda for Murdoch, says me 18 01:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Children’s show is propaganda for Putin, say critics | News | The TimesNov 18 01:25
XRevan86Weird thing is that it is not hard to bash this cartoon, it's loud, obnoxious and praises bad behaviourNov 18 01:27
XRevan86but they still wanted to take a deep lookNov 18 01:28
XRevan86> We apologize for the inconvenience: to prevent possible abuse of the service, your Internet connection has been prevented from  accessing it at this time.Nov 18 01:31
XRevan86schestowitz: For several weeks presents me with thisNov 18 01:32
XRevan86> Otherwise, if you have received this message in error, please help us in investigation by providing following information:Nov 18 01:32
XRevan86> - Are you using TOR or other anonymous proxies?Nov 18 01:32
XRevan86> - Do you have special browser configuration or extensions?Nov 18 01:32
XRevan86> - Are you using VPN?Nov 18 01:32
XRevan86> - Are you using a company network?Nov 18 01:32
XRevan86Yeah, sure, like I'd tell you that, private search engineNov 18 01:32
schestowitzI am guessing they might fix it soonNov 18 01:33
schestowitzbut I need something in the meantimeNov 18 01:33
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schestowitzI feel 'dirty' using google.comNov 18 01:33
XRevan86schestowitz: I use DDG (I know), beats GoogleNov 18 01:34
XRevan86There's also Qwant, but it doesn't look very impressive to meNov 18 01:35
XRevan86it doesn't even proxy imagesNov 18 01:35
MinceRi find ddg only rarely beats googleNov 18 01:36
MinceRthere's also searxNov 18 01:36
XRevan86MinceR: In privacy, not search qualityNov 18 01:36
XRevan86searx has to be hostedNov 18 01:36
MinceRoh, i thought you meant search qualityNov 18 01:36
MinceR 18 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searx.meNov 18 01:37
XRevan86MinceR: I also have a suspicion they just relay the queriesNov 18 01:38
XRevan86which is not as bad as using Google directlyNov 18 01:38
XRevan86opened, enabled only startpage, entered "123" into the search entryNov 18 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-preferences - searx.meNov 18 01:40
XRevan86found absolutely nothingNov 18 01:40
MinceR:)Nov 18 01:44
MinceRmaybe their interface with startpage is broken or startpage blocked themNov 18 01:44
MinceRi see results coming from google and bìng normallyNov 18 01:45
XRevan86MinceR: possiblyNov 18 01:45
XRevan86MinceR: Google can block them too, just as they blocked ScroogleNov 18 01:45
XRevan86and with Bing… I guess that's what makes DDG so inferior in the first place %)Nov 18 01:46
MinceRyes, but i suspect it also contributes to ddg occasionally beating googleNov 18 01:46
XRevan86MinceR: I haven't noticed that happening yetNov 18 01:46
DaemonFC[m]Bing results are pretty terrible, but since they have very little marketshare, sometimes that means that the censors don't go after them as much.Nov 18 01:47
MinceRmaybe it was something elseNov 18 01:47
DaemonFC[m]It's really alarming that Google can hide millions of sites and pages just by blacklisting them.Nov 18 01:47
DaemonFC[m]And they do.Nov 18 01:47
XRevan86MinceR: DDG also partners with other search engines, so IIRC I'll get Yandex results for Russian queriesNov 18 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Search for 1337x and the website won't appear.Nov 18 01:47
MinceRmy queries weren't russian, thoughNov 18 01:47
XRevan86and that's a way better deal than Bing's resultsNov 18 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Although a Wikipedia article about it will.Nov 18 01:47
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Isn't your current government pretty much the next best thing anyway?Nov 18 01:48
DaemonFC[m]The US that I grew up in was pretty much okay. Had problems, sure. But things didn't start to go very wrong until after 9/11/01.Nov 18 01:49
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Think of the children!^W copyrighters!Nov 18 01:49
DaemonFC[m]Congress used it to ram through the laws that it could never pass otherwise.Nov 18 01:49
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: it is something of the sort, but that has little to do with my searchesNov 18 01:50
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: You mean 2001-09-11 :PNov 18 01:50
DaemonFC[m]90% of the population is so dumb, they said they approved strongly (at the time).Nov 18 01:50
DaemonFC[m]It's been compared with the Reichstag Fire. Nov 18 01:50
XRevan86If I move to another country, that'll hardly affect what language why search queries will be eitherNov 18 01:50
XRevan86* my search queriesNov 18 01:50
DaemonFC[m]Although that's a little extreme, it's not off by a lot. Nov 18 01:50
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: People can get very stupid when they *feel* threatenedNov 18 01:51
XRevan86it's not rational, it's emotionalNov 18 01:53
XRevan86And I don't think *not* acting on emotions is a common theme in fictionNov 18 01:59
XRevan86but I've seen a lot of messages like "feeeeels are important"Nov 18 01:59
MinceRwell, the ECHR ruled that religious feels are more important than freedom of speechNov 18 01:59
XRevan86"think with intuition / your heart, not with your spockness"Nov 18 01:59
schestowitzXRevan86: searx is decentralised afaikNov 18 02:02
schestowitzbut privacy wise how good is it?Nov 18 02:02
XRevan86schestowitz: Well, it's not decentralised in a federated wayNov 18 02:02
XRevan86it's like a well-done proxy for other search enginesNov 18 02:03
XRevan86Which creates privacy issues with smaller instancesNov 18 02:03
XRevan86if you just self-host searx for yourself, then it's privacy-impact is almost non-existentNov 18 02:04
XRevan86Google will just track your searx instance, thinking that it's a person and will be rightNov 18 02:04
XRevan86and bigger instances… I really don't know how they manage to not get themselves blockedNov 18 02:06
schestowitzthat's a downside tooNov 18 02:07
schestowitzI wonder what starpage will do about their siteNov 18 02:07
schestowitzsurely they know some longtime users have issuesNov 18 02:07
XRevan86schestowitz: Odd that there isn't a fallbackNov 18 02:08
XRevan86with their previous interface they also provided a fallback to the one before thatNov 18 02:08
XRevan86and now those two older ones are just goneNov 18 02:08
XRevan86schestowitz: The new one does appear to be working without JavaScriptNov 18 02:10
XRevan86MinceR: When I look for GLib API stuff in DDG, it's an… unsatisfying experienceNov 18 02:20
MinceR:)Nov 18 02:21
XRevan86The link is likely on the second pageNov 18 02:21
XRevan86That's what I think of the search quality %)Nov 18 02:21
MinceRlike i said, different searches fare differentlyNov 18 02:24
DaemonFC[m]well, the ECHR ruled that religious feels are more important than freedom of speechNov 18 02:26
DaemonFC[m]Is Hungary one of those countries where you can be thrown in jail for insulting religious people?Nov 18 02:26
MinceRdunno, probablyNov 18 02:26
XRevan86MinceR: And I'm still yet to find the other kind ;)Nov 18 02:26
MinceRit has no rule of law since 2010, so they can throw you in jail for whatever they feel likeNov 18 02:27
XRevan86When a country has no Sokolovsky case, it has no purposeNov 18 02:27
XRevan86Why do I keep referencing stuff like Kin-dza-dza when I know no one present will get it? %)Nov 18 02:28
*XRevan86 is not saying he is going to stop thoughNov 18 02:34
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insmodppaA little slow to the discussion, but Startpage is beyond broken after the facelift. Every other query results in "###QUERY_PART###" being searched.Nov 18 04:14
insmodppaXRevan86: If you run a Searx instance, do it on an IP range you don't particularly like. The recaptchas will become completely kyou, or you have to solve a dozen or two (before running into a browser fingerprinting error and forcing you to restart the whole painful process).Nov 18 04:24
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schestowitzhiNov 18 06:13
schestowitzyes, I moved to searXNov 18 06:13
schestowitzhours agoNov 18 06:14
schestowitzstartpage said nothingNov 18 06:14
schestowitzno apology or intend to work on a solutionNov 18 06:14
schestowitzso I'm outNov 18 06:14
schestowitz*intentNov 18 06:14
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DaemonFC[m]Trump says he'll sign a law that rolls back much of the Armed Career Criminal Act that was passed in the 90s.Nov 18 17:15
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of a shame because if you look at what happened, the early 90s violent crime wave started to subside after things like this were passed into law.Nov 18 17:16
DaemonFC[m]I guess the federal government is going to dump them back out onto the streets and let them terrorize us to save some money to fund Trump's tax cuts for the rich.Nov 18 17:16
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DaemonFC[m] The Illinois General Assembly has voted to override over three dozen of outgoing Republican Governor Bruce Rauner's vetoes.Nov 18 17:21
DaemonFC[m] I guess JB Pritzker won't have to spend as much time signing bills as I thought.Nov 18 17:21
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They call House Speaker Mike Madigan the "real governor of Illinois".Nov 18 17:21
DaemonFC[m]He's been in the Assembly since 1970 and has been Speaker since 1980 except for 1995-1997, when the Republicans got a majority for two years.Nov 18 17:22
DaemonFC[m]He's crafted the House rules to make it so that if he doesn't like a bill, it has no chance of coming up for a vote. Also, anyone who doesn't vote for him to remain Speaker gets all of their bills stuck in Committee. Nov 18 17:23
MinceRreally democratic of himNov 18 17:23
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: He's the chair of the state Democratic Party.Nov 18 17:26
DaemonFC[m]So if they don't vote for him for Speaker, they also get all of their re-election money yanked.Nov 18 17:26
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: He's a master politician though. He's managed to virtually drive the Republicans out of the state.Nov 18 17:28
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DaemonFC[m]It takes 71 seats to have a three-fifths majority. The most the Democrats have ever had was 72 in 1992.Nov 18 17:33
DaemonFC[m]Next year, they'll have 74.Nov 18 17:33
DaemonFC[m]They also have a couple seats over three-fiths in the Senate.Nov 18 17:34
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DaemonFC[m]So they can override the Governor or pass constitutional amendments with no Republican votes now, MinceR Nov 18 17:34
DaemonFC[m]The amendments still need to go to the voters and be approved though.Nov 18 17:34
DaemonFC[m]So we're still a check on that, I guess, but it's not going to matter.Nov 18 17:34
DaemonFC[m]They want a "progressive" tax to raise more money. How do you do that?Nov 18 17:35
DaemonFC[m]You just make sure that the new rates give just enough people a tax cut for the amendment to pass.Nov 18 17:35
MinceRtypically it means the more income you have the greater percentage of it you payNov 18 17:35
DaemonFC[m]I don't know whether the rates will be in the amendment or not, MinceR Nov 18 17:36
MinceRthough usually typically it only has a few gradationsNov 18 17:36
DaemonFC[m]If they aren't, I won't vote for it.Nov 18 17:36
MinceRand higher rates apply only to the parts above the thresholdNov 18 17:36
DaemonFC[m]I'm not handing them a blank check.Nov 18 17:36
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: What they'll end up doing is giving the Free Shit Crowd a tax cut and then sock it to people like me and John.Nov 18 17:36
DaemonFC[m]If our taxes don't end up being at least neutral with where they are at now, and that rate goes into the Constitution, I will vote no on the amendment.Nov 18 17:37
DaemonFC[m]I have to see the rates and know that they're codified and that it would take another constitutional amendment to change them again.Nov 18 17:38
DaemonFC[m]Once we make a progressive tax legal with no strings attached, the rates will keep going up as long as the state wants to spend more money, MinceR Nov 18 17:38
DaemonFC[m]I'd be perfectly fine with voting to keep the flat tax where it is now and repealing the public pension guarantee. Nov 18 17:39
DaemonFC[m]I really think that this is where the money is. They overpromised the pension funds year after year without actually funding them and investing the money.Nov 18 17:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Madigan had to get Republican votes to raise the income tax the last time, so he let the state go without a budget or reforms for two straight years, let our credit rating get cut 13 times, and then told the Republicans it was either a tax increase or letting the state default. Nov 18 17:41
DaemonFC[m]The state's income tax went from 3.5% to 4.95%. Nov 18 17:42
DaemonFC[m]We're paying so many taxes on our income now, it's ridiculous. Nov 18 17:42
DaemonFC[m]Various layers of government make off with 40% or more of the money we earn and I have no idea where it goes.Nov 18 17:43
DaemonFC[m]Well, I know where it goes. Not much of it benefits me.Nov 18 17:43
DaemonFC[m]We have military operations going on in dozens of countries, and very little of it was approved by Congress.Nov 18 17:44
DaemonFC[m]Every now and then, a bunch of American soldiers gets blown up somehere and then Congressional officials are on the news going "I had no idea we were there. Why are we there and how long have we been there?".Nov 18 17:44
DaemonFC[m]It's tragic, really. That our elected officials either have no idea what the military is up to or at least pretend they don't.Nov 18 17:45
DaemonFC[m]Probably too busy fucking kids and smoking cigars with lobbyists to pay attention.Nov 18 17:45
DaemonFC[m] 18 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | De Beers fights fakes with technology as China’s lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems | South China Morning PostNov 18 17:48
DaemonFC[m]China is pumping out fake diamonds that are so good that experts can't tell the difference. Nov 18 17:49
MinceRWorld Police :>Nov 18 17:49
DaemonFC[m]I hope it destroys the diamond industry.Nov 18 17:49
XRevan86hopes upNov 18 17:52
MinceRyeahNov 18 17:54
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Looks like OpenBSD disabled hyperthreading entirely, and Linux made it a whole lot slower.Nov 18 18:18
DaemonFC[m]Possible Spectre attacks involving it. Nov 18 18:18
DaemonFC[m]Does it ever end?Nov 18 18:18
DaemonFC[m]Phoronix mentioned that you could disable hyperthreading in yur BIOS, but Lenovo hid the option to do it.Nov 18 18:18
MinceRsureNov 18 18:19
MinceRalong with the rest of computingNov 18 18:19
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: 18 18:57
DaemonFC[m]America!Nov 18 18:57
MinceRnot just america, i'm afraid :(Nov 18 20:18
MinceRsee, the homeless man's fault was to not steal more, obviouslyNov 18 20:18
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: No, it was to steal from the wrong people.Nov 18 20:22
DaemonFC[m]If he was a wealthy CEO that stole $3 billion from a bunch of poor and middle class families, he'd have gone to white collar resort prison for a few years.Nov 18 20:23
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DaemonFC[m]Someone on Reddit talking about being involuntarily committed after missing an appointment with the psychiatrist, who called the police. Nov 18 22:24
DaemonFC[m]Fuuuuck. Well, I don't know all of what went down, but yeah. If you end up talking to psychiatrists at a hospital, you'll end up being grilled.Nov 18 22:24
DaemonFC[m]They try 20 or 30 times to get you to say or suggest you're a danger to self or others, and then once they hear the magic words, they can strap your ass into a bed and start fucking with your meds, then they figure out how long your insurance will pay for, and coincidentally that's how long you'll be there.Nov 18 22:25
DaemonFC[m]So you may get out in three days (minimum time they can hold someone who actually is suicidal) or three months. It depends how much money they can pump you forNov 18 22:26
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DaemonFC[m]People on Reddit are a bunch of pussies.Nov 19 01:47
DaemonFC[m]They have a chat system now and the "General Discussions" room, people get their posts disappeared all the time, and then they ban everyone for talking about anything. It's awful.Nov 19 01:47
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schestowitzkaniini: around today?Nov 19 16:32
kaniiniyesNov 19 16:32
schestowitztechrights had 2 hours downtime until moments agoNov 19 16:32
schestowitzhad issues again, for a week now,Nov 19 16:33
schestowitzkaniini: so maybe, if it can be made to boot, we can migrate soonNov 19 16:42
kaniiniyes, going to work on that shortly.  switched host to KVM.Nov 19 16:42
schestowitzcheers :-)Nov 19 16:43
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kaniinii have to unpack and reimage the VMs since i tried to fix the xen drivers situation ;)Nov 19 17:00
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schestowitzkaniini: I see.. maybe can refetch a copy if all else failNov 19 17:11
kaniinii have the originals stillNov 19 17:11
schestowitzI don't think I added any files since, tries not toNov 19 17:11
schestowitzI keep the changes in the DBs onlyNov 19 17:11
kaniinifirst rule of sysadmin, never make modifications to the originalsNov 19 17:11
kaniini;)Nov 19 17:11
schestowitzso basically, all my article for 3 weeks have no images in them, sometimes old ones reusedNov 19 17:12
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insmodppaIs it true that F-Droid is no longer a FOSS app store?Nov 20 07:32
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MinceRi haven't heard that one beforeNov 20 07:35
schestowitzme neitherNov 20 08:00
insmodppaHeard from someone who uses it that they now carry adware and paid software. Searched a little and found some threads on the forum, but I don't own an Android device so I can't confirm it myself.Nov 20 08:43
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schestowitzinsmodppa: there would be uproar if it happenedNov 20 10:46
schestowitzand I saw nothing to that effectNov 20 10:47
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XRevan86 "Arbitrary code execution"Nov 20 14:32
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XRevan86not sure if this counts as news %)Nov 20 14:32
schestowitzI don't think anyone here has it installed :-)Nov 20 14:37
schestowitzmaybe I'm wrongNov 20 14:37
XRevan86The time of the Flash plugin has passed, yeah.Nov 20 14:41
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oiaohmHmm that Everyone gets fired for choosing Microsoft.Nov 20 15:26
oiaohm  Microsoft broke the online office suite again.Nov 20 15:26
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oiaohmMaybe they tried to fix this.Nov 20 15:26
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Torvalds stepped in and vetoed STIPB being on by default.Nov 20 18:12
DaemonFC[m]It's going to be in the kernel, but only on by default for processes like OpenSSH or for apps that opt-in.Nov 20 18:12
DaemonFC[m]Seems like a good compromise. If the application isn't handling sensitive data, hampering performance by up to 50% is the wrong thing to do.Nov 20 18:13
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DaemonFC[m]Some local government elimination ballot iniitiatives passed in Illinois. Not nearly enough, but at least some passed.Nov 21 15:48
DaemonFC[m]I voted to get rid of the Cook County Recorder of Deeds in the 2016 election. They were arguing that it would "only" save a million dollars a year. Nov 21 15:48
DaemonFC[m]Well, that's the problem, isn't it? We have a government that has tons of obscure bureacrats that are all probably "only" costing us an extra million a year, and it all adds up, and they all want to save themselves and their little slush funds and their line on your 18 layers of government property tax bills. Nov 21 15:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steve Goodman's Lincoln Park Pirates - YouTubeNov 21 15:56
DaemonFC[m]A song about an infamous towing company in Chicago. Enjoy.Nov 21 15:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EU opens disciplinary procedures against ItalyNov 21 20:57
DaemonFC[m]The EU plans to sanction Italy for not going along with austerity economics.Nov 21 20:58
DaemonFC[m]I can't blame the voters for getting rid of the previous government and electing one that puts some of the social spending back in place.Nov 21 20:58
DaemonFC[m]I wish that voters here had the guts to do that.Nov 21 20:58
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: really some of this is countries for years have operated spending money that don't have.Nov 21 21:55
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: in some ways a war would be good.   Basically have a war have country defeated and void the debt.Nov 21 21:56
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: then start with new taxs and a zero debt policy.Nov 21 21:57
oiaohmMost of the EU countries if you work it out there is enough money for social spending if they were not paying down existing debt.Nov 21 21:57
oiaohmHeck I don't know what the USA would do if it debt was ever called in.Nov 21 21:58
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DaemonFC[m]Heck I don't know what the USA would do if it debt was ever called in.Nov 21 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Unlikely. Even the hostile foreign creditors aren't willing to throw their biggest customer into an economic crisis.Nov 21 22:35
DaemonFC[m]We saw Russia pretty much liquidate their treasuries and it barely affected the rate on the debt.Nov 21 22:35
DaemonFC[m]Others were happy to buy the amount that Russia got rid of, and then some.Nov 21 22:36
XRevan86Russia is increasing its involvement in the US debtNov 21 22:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Treasury Department data shows Russian holdings of US debt plungedNov 21 22:38
DaemonFC[m]I believe they held something like $170billion before the Ruble Crisis.Nov 21 22:40
DaemonFC[m]They started selling off foreign reserves to prop up government spending. Nov 21 22:40
DaemonFC[m]But then they kept selling US treasuries even after the crisis was over.Nov 21 22:40
DaemonFC[m]They're down to less than $14 billon now.Nov 21 22:40
DaemonFC[m]The truth is that even $170 billion in treasuries isn't enough to sell off and disrupt the US economy.Nov 21 22:41
DaemonFC[m]I mean, we have $21.5 trillion dollars worth of these awful things out there and $800 billion more this year alone.Nov 21 22:42
DaemonFC[m]debt-to-gdp ratio in the US is alarming, but it's not to the levels of many Western Europe countries or Japan.Nov 21 22:43
DaemonFC[m]I think Japan is like, what? 250% by now?Nov 21 22:43
DaemonFC[m]Greece was at 180% last year. The US was at about 104%.Nov 21 22:44
DaemonFC[m]I mean, it's a problem, but there's worse. But the big thing is that we're bigger. A lot bigger. And.....we still have the de facto world reserve currency and nobody has really done anything about that.Nov 21 22:45
DaemonFC[m]If you look at reserve currencies, the Euro was scary for about a minute there.Nov 21 22:47
DaemonFC[m]I actually had a teacher that said that Europe would get its act together and the Euro would be a great success and so on....Nov 21 22:50
DaemonFC[m]That's really kind of funny to look back at now, because, well, PIGS.Nov 21 22:50
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schestowitzkaniini: out and about this thanksgiving?Nov 22 15:37
kaniininopeNov 22 15:37
schestowitzI have a lot of time I can use to make progress setting up the VMs and testingNov 22 15:38
kaniiniyepNov 22 15:39
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kaniinilet me wake up and crack open a beer and i'll get on thatNov 22 15:39
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I got bored and wrote out on Facebook a situation where nobody in the 2020 election can reach 270 electoral votes, which triggers Article 12, the election gets thrown to the House and Senate, the Republicans can't get 26 state delegations in the House to vote for Trump, Democratic Senators from states where both are Democrats flee and go on vacation to Canada for a couple of weeks to deny a Senate quorum,Nov 22 17:44
DaemonFC[m]which triggers the 25th Amendment on January 20th at noon, and the House Speaker (a Democrat) becomes President for a full term. Nov 22 17:44
DaemonFC[m]The situation supposes that Gary Johnson comes back and managed to win a single state.Nov 22 17:44
DaemonFC[m]Johnson wins enough electoral votes to bring everyone under 270, the House deadlocks, the Senate can't reach a quorum because the Democrats from states where both Senators are Democrats ran off, and Nancy Pelosi gets sworn in when January 20th comes and there's no President or Vice President.Nov 22 17:45
DaemonFC[m]There's statistically no chance of this happening. I'd say 1 in 50,000 or less. Nov 22 17:47
DaemonFC[m]The longest odds would be that Gary Johnson wins some electoral votes and triggers a chain of events. Nov 22 17:49
DaemonFC[m] But if you're playing Powerball (the state lottery), the odds of winning the jackpot are 340,000,000:1.Nov 22 17:49
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DaemonFC[m]In a way, we're reverting to where we were during the 80s.Nov 22 17:55
DaemonFC[m]The Democrats will have an advantage in the House for a while because they're wiping the Republicans out in many entire states, mainly big ones with lots of seats in the House.Nov 22 17:56
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DaemonFC[m] But they're also giving some Republicans in the boot in heavily gerrymandered states with quite a few seats, like Texas.Nov 22 17:58
DaemonFC[m]There are now as many Democrats in the House from Texas as there are in Illinois (13), but the ratio is Nov 22 17:59
DaemonFC[m]different (13/15 in Illinois vs 13/36 in Texas).Nov 22 17:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Man crushed to death by forklift truck driven by pet dog | abc7chicago.comNov 23 22:46
MinceRgabelstaplerfahrer KlausNov 23 22:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Staplerfahrer Klaus 2001 BluRay- Rip / Grüße An alle Zukünftigen StaplerFahrer! - YouTubeNov 23 22:53
XRevan86MinceR: they say words apparentlyNov 23 22:57
MinceRthey're not very importantNov 23 23:01
MinceRthere's an automatic translation of the subtitles, which is not greatNov 23 23:01
DaemonFC[m]RHEL 8 still includes the GNOME on Xorg option.Nov 24 00:16
DaemonFC[m]I guess that means it will be supported for a long time.Nov 24 00:16
MinceRit means nothingNov 24 00:17
MinceRno commitment red hat makes ever binds themNov 24 00:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loaderNov 24 00:17
MinceRnot that i'd ever want the sort of "support" such a criminal enterprise would provide anywayNov 24 00:18
MinceRtheir designs and code suck about as much as their attitude doesNov 24 00:18
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Imagine if Torvalds hadn't intervened with the STIBP issue.Nov 24 00:50
DaemonFC[m]The patch got in reducing performance of some workloads on Intel CPUs by up to 50%.Nov 24 00:50
DaemonFC[m]That patch should have never landed in the first place like it did.Nov 24 00:51
DaemonFC[m]Then they backported it to a LTS kernel branch, and now 4.19.4 is out to revert the patch.Nov 24 00:51
DaemonFC[m]The concern is possible Spectre attacks involving hyperthreading.... Okay. Well, not every workload has to be protected from that.Nov 24 00:52
DaemonFC[m]Why should there be a double digit slowdown transcoding a video or some audio files because of a Spectre mitigation?Nov 24 00:52
DaemonFC[m]The way it went in was just stupid. It should be there opt-in or covering sensitive processes only.Nov 24 00:53
DaemonFC[m]I can't believe it just went in and nobody realized it was a bad idea until Phoronix, of all places, figured out that Linux 4.19/4.20-dev slowed down A LOT for some reason on Intel CPUs.Nov 24 00:53
DaemonFC[m]People are saying hyperthreading isn't a big deal, just turn it off. Well, I don't want to turn it off. I still do have a dual core CPU (Skylake mobile) and hyperthreading matters more the fewer cores you have.Nov 24 00:54
DaemonFC[m]In fact, I'd imagine the penalty for STIBP is a lot higher on my computer than the quad core desktop CPUs that Phoronix tested.Nov 24 00:55
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kaniiniseems a lot of linux foundation employees say LF is great *despite* the leadershipNov 24 02:05
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DaemonFC[m]I'll probably switch over to CentOS or Scientific Linux when EL 8 is out.Nov 24 03:38
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: horrible part is intel does run build testing of the Linux kernel but they don't run performance profiling.Nov 24 09:26
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: so question with STIBP is why does Phoronix has to detect that the patch was horrible.Nov 24 09:26
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XRevan86MinceR: She owes her 10 minutes though.Nov 24 14:58
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: DragonFlyBSD 5.4 RC1 Available For Testing Of This Leading BSD Operating System []Nov 24 15:58
MinceR 24 16:27
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #DXVK 0.93 []Nov 24 17:26
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DaemonFC[m]DragonFlyBSD is switching from GCC 5 to 8.Nov 24 18:12
DaemonFC[m]Well, compiled code improvements for sure. Better optimization.Nov 24 18:12
DaemonFC[m]"DragonFlyBSD continues to be one of the last major BSDs using the GNU Compiler Collection by default over LLVM/Clang."Nov 24 18:13
DaemonFC[m]I suppose that means it won't suffer the horrendous performance degradations that switching to Clang brought with it to the other BSDs, just so they won't depend on GPL-licensed software. Nov 24 18:14
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: nice :)Nov 24 18:14
XRevan86Years have passed and Clang is still an inferior compiler (at least for UNIX-like).Nov 24 18:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 4.19.4 & 4.14.83 Released With STIBP Code Dropped []Nov 24 19:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: AMDGPU+RADV Linux Gaming On GCN 1.0/1.1, 25-Way Warhammer II GPU Benchmarks []Nov 24 19:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Nov 24 20:02
MinceR 24 20:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What about Gnome apps then? []Nov 24 20:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Richard Stallman on Digital Currencies, Librem Financing Options/Funding []Nov 24 20:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos []Nov 24 20:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: NVIDIA and AMD []Nov 24 20:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PHP 7.3 Performance Benchmarks Are Looking Good Days Ahead Of Its Release []Nov 24 20:40
schestowitzkaniini: any luck with the VMs yet?Nov 24 21:07
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts: Linux Action News and Deconstructed Dialog []Nov 24 21:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Two posts about programming events and #Collabora on metrics for test suite comprehensiveness []Nov 24 21:50
DaemonFC[m]GNOME is in better shape than KDE.Nov 24 21:57
DaemonFC[m]And GNOME 3.30 finally stopped the "gas guzzling" behavior of GNOME Shell with regards to RAM.Nov 24 21:57
DaemonFC[m]The improvements to the shell and mutter seemed to free up an average of 500 MB or so. More importantly, it fixed the problem where it would just grow endlessly until your system had been up for a week or so and the shell was using well over 1 GB. Nov 24 21:59
DaemonFC[m]It sits there and never seems to use more than about 160-170 MB now. Quite an improvement.Nov 24 21:59
DaemonFC[m]It's unfortunate, though, that the "web platform" bloats up to guzzle everything your OS doesn't.Nov 24 22:00
XRevan86 24 22:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why Aren't There C Conferences? « null programNov 24 22:01
XRevan86(from 24 22:01
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XRevan86> The last major revision to C happened in 1999 (C99). There was a minor revision in 2011 (C11), and an even smaller revision in 2018 (C17). If there was a C conference, recent changes to the language wouldn’t be a very fruitful topic.Nov 24 22:01
XRevan86Actually, C20 is going to be big(ger).Nov 24 22:02
DaemonFC[m]"Even LISP has one." Nov 24 22:02
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: When you walk into the LISP conference ans find out you're in a support group for people with a lisp. Nov 24 22:02
XRevan86When you walk into the Ada conference and find out you're in a Slavic satanist club.Nov 24 22:03
MinceR:)Nov 24 22:06
MinceRwhen you walk into the c# conference and find out you're in a support group for the mentally retardedNov 24 22:07
XRevan86when you walk into the c# conference and embace an extended extinguisherNov 24 22:12
XRevan86and mention JavaNov 24 22:13
DaemonFC[m]I can see why the suicide rate in Roger's Park isn't very high.Nov 24 22:15
XRevan86When you go to the Go conference only to be asked to go awayNov 24 22:15
DaemonFC[m]Everyone here is way too narcissistic to kill themselves.Nov 24 22:15
XRevan86because you asked for a "way to go"Nov 24 22:17
DaemonFC[m]"The last major revision to C happened in 1999 (C99)."Nov 24 22:17
DaemonFC[m]It must have been very revolutionary seeing as how Microsoft hasn't even had time to fully implement it.Nov 24 22:18
MinceRthey don't care, as it Wasn't Invented ThereNov 24 22:18
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Seeing that more and more projects move their Windows builds to Clang, I'm starting to wonder if that makes a difference %)Nov 24 22:19
MinceR 24 22:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectNov 24 22:37
XRevan86MinceR: So used to hate that to abolish it employ the opposite kind of hateNov 24 22:40
MinceRtwo wrongs make a rightNov 24 22:40
XRevan86- Do you hate black people?Nov 24 22:41
XRevan86- No, I hate white people.Nov 24 22:41
MinceR 24 22:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectNov 24 22:42
XRevan86Of course the trick is that one kind of hate is more mainstream than the other. But that's only an excuse.Nov 24 22:44
DaemonFC[m]I think the Firefox Linux bulild servers build with Clang now.Nov 24 22:45
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: IIRC, yesNov 24 22:46
DaemonFC[m]But nobody uses that really.Nov 24 22:46
XRevan86not that great, and yes :)Nov 24 22:46
DaemonFC[m]The distributions still build with gcc.Nov 24 22:46
XRevan86also why there isn't much fuss about itNov 24 22:46
DaemonFC[m]There's a tracking bug about providing Firefox in Flatpak.Nov 24 22:47
DaemonFC[m]It's kind of ridiculous and sad the way they distribute Linux binaries.Nov 24 22:49
DaemonFC[m]Even Opera and Vivaldi manage to package DEB/RPM files. Nov 24 22:50
XRevan86MinceR: On the other hand, I don't think racism against "whites" in North America is a definite actual problem.Nov 24 22:50
XRevan86whilst the reverse still sadly isNov 24 22:51
MinceRXRevan86: some people are working to make it a definite actual problem, if it isn't one yetNov 24 22:51
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Firefox provides sources though ;)Nov 24 22:51
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: the bug would be called "flatpak"Nov 24 22:51
DaemonFC[m]A lot of black people are very racist. Nov 24 22:52
DaemonFC[m]I've been on the receiving end of their racial slurs a few times and they don't even know me.Nov 24 22:52
DaemonFC[m]It's a knee jerk reaction.Nov 24 22:53
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Interesting expressionNov 24 22:54
DaemonFC[m]They see me and all they see is "white". They haven't stopped to think about anything else.Nov 24 22:54
XRevan86my non-popular opinion is that everyone has the freedom to be rude %)Nov 24 22:55
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they can do whatever they want, but if you say anything they don't like, watch out.Nov 24 22:55
XRevan86as long as it doesn't hinder their professional obligations or doesn't get someone killedNov 24 22:55
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: That's the weird thing about the British/American society, yeahNov 24 22:56
MinceRthis will end in warNov 24 22:57
MinceRand once the human species manages to kill itself off, life on earth might get another chanceNov 24 22:58
XRevan86This will likely not end ever as all the word dancing reminds more of Don Quixote than of a solution to anythingNov 24 22:58
DaemonFC[m]Everyone hates everyone. Nov 24 23:01
XRevan86I think that all this fighting only promotes… hateNov 24 23:02
MinceRhumans are getting better at killing, thoughNov 24 23:02
XRevan86exactly because politically active individuals are very quick to judgeNov 24 23:03
XRevan86and that's not an element of a considerate and tolerant societyNov 24 23:03
XRevan86and this also creates paradoxes, because they don't care for the cultural context of the other individualsNov 24 23:04
XRevan86multiculturalism, rightNov 24 23:04
XRevan86Anyway, this legitimately makes me more self-censoring and scared even though I couldn't care less about what cultural background or appearance anyone has.Nov 24 23:06
MinceR 24 23:11
XRevan86For instance, I've seen statements like that "enabling racism" is the same as being a racist yourselfNov 24 23:11
XRevan86and of course "enabling racism" means not signing up for the methods of the oratorNov 24 23:11
XRevan86Everyone has to be a vigilante apparentlyNov 24 23:12
MinceRrather, a crybullyNov 24 23:13
XRevan86Time to teach white americans to not be racist, with a whip and an electroshockerNov 24 23:18
XRevan86that'll show 'emNov 24 23:18
XRevan86kindness won't promote itselfNov 24 23:19
cubexyzsome of us still dabble with bell labs cc :)Nov 24 23:22
XRevan86cubexyz: What year is that?Nov 24 23:23
cubexyzdependsNov 24 23:24
XRevan86cubexyz: circa 1988?Nov 24 23:24
cubexyzthe oldest one that still survives is from June 1974Nov 24 23:25
cubexyzv5 -> 1974, v6 -> 1975, v7 -> 1979, v8 -> 1985Nov 24 23:26
cubexyz1988 would be 4.3BSD-TahoeNov 24 23:26
cubexyzby the time you get to 1988 there's a bunch of different onesNov 24 23:27
XRevan86cubexyz: pre-C89, not very niceNov 24 23:28
cubexyzyou probably wouldn't like K&R C thenNov 24 23:29
cubexyzbut INov 24 23:29
cubexyzbut I've used pre-K&RNov 24 23:30
cubexyzpre-stdio is a bit hairyNov 24 23:30
XRevan86cubexyz: Looks like masochism to me :PNov 24 23:31
cubexyzXRevan86, you looked at old english :)Nov 24 23:31
cubexyzold C is a walk in the park in comparisonNov 24 23:31
XRevan86cubexyz: Old English is a complete language in its own rightNov 24 23:32
cubexyzok, middle english thenNov 24 23:32
XRevan86Old C is just inferior C with issues unknown for 30 yearsNov 24 23:32
XRevan86cubexyz: I didn't really look at Middle English though %)Nov 24 23:33
MinceR 24 23:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectNov 24 23:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Nov 24 23:36
XRevan86MinceR: I've given up when I learnt black tea is unhealthy.Nov 24 23:36
MinceR:)Nov 24 23:37
cubexyzUnix v5 had some interesting propertiesNov 24 23:38
cubexyzI made a satirical comparison between unix v5 and windows 8.1Nov 24 23:39
cubexyz 24 23:40
XRevan86UNIX v5: no C99Nov 24 23:40
XRevan86Windows 8.1: no C99Nov 24 23:40
XRevan86> Secretly hates you                                     NO           YESNov 24 23:41
cubexyzthere was a russian computer with a very simple unixNov 24 23:42
XRevan86 24 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Besta (computer) - WikipediaNov 24 23:46
MinceRat least unix comes with a c compilerNov 24 23:47
XRevan86People say UNIX was legally ported to Besta by Stollmann GmbH :)Nov 24 23:48
cubexyz68020 is kind of modernNov 24 23:49
cubexyzI wish early home computers had a 68020Nov 24 23:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: DoS Vulnerabilities Found in Linux Kernel, Unpatched []Nov 24 23:50
cubexyzthere were 68020 ones actuallyNov 24 23:51
cubexyzapple macintosh II, sun 3, amiga 1200...Nov 24 23:51
cubexyzI'm told that people in the 1500s could conceivably communicate with modern english speakersNov 24 23:56
XRevan86cubexyz: doubtfulNov 24 23:57
cubexyzhow far back could you go and still communicate?Nov 24 23:58
XRevan86cubexyz: Not all modern english speakers can even understand each other %)Nov 24 23:59

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