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| MinceR | well, at least they improved the KHTML descendants a lot | Oct 21 00:00 |
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| MinceR | since now they don't crash all the time | Oct 21 00:00 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/DNSokPo.jpg | Oct 21 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | KHTML was okay at one point, but it fell behind and now it can't even render Wikipedia properly. | Oct 21 00:18 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m], MinceR means WebKit and Blink. | Oct 21 00:19 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ODROID 'Hacker Board' http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116658 [https://pleroma.site/objects/de397586-78fd-472a-b11c-5d666dc73925] | Oct 21 00:21 | |
| XRevan86 | I run Firefox for months of uptime but maybe in the old days it could last years, who knows | Oct 21 00:21 |
| XRevan86 | I personally never had the chance to check | Oct 21 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Blink is okay. I'm using it by way of Opera. | Oct 21 00:24 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CoC/Systemd Supremacy Over Linux Kernel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116659 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bad9b14c-4b3c-49b1-9c8f-09a89d762f55] | Oct 21 00:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unfortunately, it uses a version of ffmpeg for media codecs and I have to delete Opera's and symlink it to the one RPM Fusion built for Chromium. | Oct 21 00:25 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: XRGEARS and Arcan's Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116660 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd6f3776-68a1-44d2-939f-564cdb9fac90] | Oct 21 00:26 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/J3PpCfp.gifv | Oct 21 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Oct 21 00:26 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: BSD: FreeBSD 12.0 Beta and Upgrading OpenBSD with Ansible http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116661 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2f2b0b2d-b076-4dbb-9b83-43d90d60f2fc] | Oct 21 00:29 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder how well a 2009 iMac would run Linux. | Oct 21 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone is selling them for $100. | Oct 21 00:29 |
| cubexyz | most of my stuff is far older than that | Oct 21 00:30 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But it's not Apple I bet. | Oct 21 00:31 |
| cubexyz | true | Oct 21 00:31 |
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| XRevan86 | I wonder why "2009 iMac" feels way more obsolete than "my motherboard is made in 2009" | Oct 21 00:32 |
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| MinceR | because the former was obsolete when it was designed? :> | Oct 21 00:37 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: U.S. CMS Breach and New Security Woes for Popular 'IoT' Protocols http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116662 [https://pleroma.site/objects/aac5223e-31f8-4bc9-a617-7171869c163c] | Oct 21 00:38 | |
| XRevan86 | I'm thinking because it's not extendable, it gets useless faster | Oct 21 00:39 |
| cubexyz | I actually have a fair amount of 1990's peripherals | Oct 21 00:40 |
| cubexyz | scanner, printer, some switch boxes | Oct 21 00:40 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Nothing wrong with that | Oct 21 00:42 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116663 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e35ba3ee-b3b6-444f-b8da-aaac77ed6e24] | Oct 21 00:43 | |
| cubexyz | A3 sized scanner would be very expensive to replace | Oct 21 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: You should move to Windows | Oct 21 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's so great you'd have to replace the scanner | Oct 21 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: No longer will you be a slave of old technology that still works | Oct 21 00:45 |
| MinceR | yeah, instead you can have new technology that never worked | Oct 21 00:45 |
| XRevan86 | struggling to find a reason, why to change what works | Oct 21 00:45 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: You will create jobs in the process! | Oct 21 00:46 |
| XRevan86 | Keep the economy afloat | Oct 21 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | Okay, this starts to sound like something someone could actually say :D | Oct 21 00:47 |
| cubexyz | in a way I'm the opposite of that | Oct 21 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: More jobs! In working hard to get it to work | Oct 21 00:48 |
| cubexyz | a sort of cyber-necromancer.... I bring back old stuff back from the dead :) | Oct 21 00:48 |
| cubexyz | didn't really plan on learning about laser printers though | Oct 21 00:50 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116664 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6a9aee1a-2f87-4216-81fb-822f6d69bca8] | Oct 21 00:51 | |
| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2027/ | Oct 21 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Lightning Distance | Oct 21 00:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 20/10/2018: Mesa 18.2.3 Released, FreeBSD 12.0 Beta 1 http://techrights.org/2018/10/20/links-20102018-mesa-18-2-3-released-freebsd-12-0-beta-1/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/cc4711f6-c0f5-4bbe-9a75-b11e9ac9f568] | Oct 21 00:51 | |
| XRevan86 | https://xkcd.com/1425/ huh, before machine learning… | Oct 21 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Tasks | Oct 21 00:54 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man_ dmb viera | Oct 21 00:55 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR (IRC): https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43260404_1981780085198377_7119467648185794560_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=8773a95a3ff96a223ff02984fbe47972&oe=5C53C79A | Oct 21 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cat.exe has stopped working..... | Oct 21 01:03 |
| MinceR | :3 | Oct 21 01:05 |
| MinceR | longcat is long | Oct 21 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | very | Oct 21 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Spirit Airlines uses Comic Sans on their website. :/ | Oct 21 01:31 |
| MinceR | with a name like that, they should be using Papyrus. | Oct 21 01:34 |
| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2030/ | Oct 21 01:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Voting Software | Oct 21 01:40 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44344433_10211002311327186_4052359350956589056_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=82219a0463d184e390ce096796ab8716&oe=5C4C6E0A | Oct 21 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: perfection | Oct 21 01:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 21 01:51 |
| MinceR | https://jalopnik.com/how-to-pee-in-your-car-and-keep-your-pants-dry-1658903998 | Oct 21 01:53 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: I really do wonder how long until Microsoft starts enforcing their licenses on fonts. https://www.fonts.com/font/microsoft-corporation/comic-sans/pro-complete-family-pack I would suspect Spirit Airlines is not paying $1710 USD a year. | Oct 21 01:53 |
| MinceR | somewhat on topic | Oct 21 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Comic Sans Pro Complete Family Pack - Fonts.com | Oct 21 01:53 | |
| XRevan86 | Russia has also incorporated computerised voting systems | Oct 21 01:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, what do you want for an airline that makes disabled people flush their emotional support animals down the toilet? | Oct 21 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | and… no one really cares | Oct 21 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | guess why (; | Oct 21 01:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or where customers and flight attendants routinely get into fist fights.... | Oct 21 01:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or where you get cheap tickets, but then get to sit in a bus seat for four hours after paying $25 per checked bag.... | Oct 21 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | emotional trauma support | Oct 21 01:55 |
| MinceR | yeah, in russia, the result is known before the "election" begins | Oct 21 01:56 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: there could be worse. You could have a pilot who decides to-do a Launchpad McQuack. | Oct 21 01:57 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: basically Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 problem. | Oct 21 01:57 |
| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2033/ | Oct 21 02:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Repair or Replace | Oct 21 02:10 | |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: Apple | Oct 21 02:12 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: Fedora Core 1 | Oct 21 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Tomato | Oct 21 02:16 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: Red Hat | Oct 21 02:18 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Aluminium | Oct 21 02:18 |
| sebsebseb | oh MinceR is awAKE | Oct 21 02:19 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: CentOS Scientific Linux | Oct 21 02:19 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: pear bannana | Oct 21 02:19 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: macOS | Oct 21 02:19 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Windows ME | Oct 21 02:19 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to sebsebseb pidgin_log | Oct 21 02:19 | |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: systemd/Linux | Oct 21 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Doctor Who hates pears, princess Celestia loves bananas | Oct 21 02:20 |
| *XRevan86 gets extra evil points for calling him/her "Doctor Who" | Oct 21 02:21 | |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 21 02:22 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: i don't watch Doctor Who but yes I know the new one is a woman | Oct 21 02:22 |
| MinceR | not the point | Oct 21 02:22 |
| sebsebseb | also that's what miner would want re in carnation into a woman, but remembering what it was like too be a guy ! | Oct 21 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: you would love that ^^^ | Oct 21 02:23 |
| XRevan86 | Every miner's dream, no question there | Oct 21 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: indeed | Oct 21 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: his dream | Oct 21 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Miners can be women too | Oct 21 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: some of the miners might have wanted to be women instead, I mean they only really sent men into the mines right ? | Oct 21 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | It's a tough and brave job, they deserve respect | Oct 21 02:25 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: yeah but some died down there too or more | Oct 21 02:25 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: if they had been women, they woudn't have been in the mine I guess | Oct 21 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: If they're sent, it's probably a higher priority to simply not be a slave | Oct 21 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | And there are women miners | Oct 21 02:27 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa26_esLBE | Oct 21 02:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python- Lumberjack Song FULL - YouTube | Oct 21 02:28 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR wants to be a woman ! | Oct 21 02:29 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Why do you want MinceR to be a woman? | Oct 21 02:31 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: lol no, I am saying he himself wants to be a woman :D | Oct 21 02:31 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: sebsebseb is desperate for reactions | Oct 21 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: oh ok, do you have a prooflink? | Oct 21 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | Everyone on the Internet has to have one | Oct 21 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: true I did come in here just now snce well one of those nights, was going to do something but ended up listening to music so I thought hmm let's load up IRC | Oct 21 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I have noticed that | Oct 21 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: its funny to troll MinceR a bit, he's ok really though :) except for his total Apple hateism, even though Apple aren't that great and quite propriatry, and get a lot of ignorans using their stuff | Oct 21 02:33 |
| sebsebseb | ignorants | Oct 21 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Apple is the worst | Oct 21 02:34 |
| MinceR | crApple made closed platforms popular | Oct 21 02:34 |
| sebsebseb | I have a Ipad air that got fixed screen, but can't really use now | Oct 21 02:34 |
| sebsebseb | probably lost pass code to now forgot hmm | Oct 21 02:34 |
| sebsebseb | but I do have Iphone SE more recently | Oct 21 02:34 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Oct 21 02:34 |
| sebsebseb | really boring OS, lilke Android | Oct 21 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | and they mostly run the same apps too | Oct 21 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | Ubports and Salifish OS oh yeah :) | Oct 21 02:35 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ffUErlt.jpg | Oct 21 02:36 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: I don't measure things in terms of excitement. | Oct 21 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: cats | Oct 21 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: no me either as such | Oct 21 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: technically Ubports and Salifsh OS in many ways are better | Oct 21 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | just like desktop Linux would be | Oct 21 02:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: he's onto you now | Oct 21 02:37 |
| sebsebseb | except for people who want certain apps / programs | Oct 21 02:37 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: oh no | Oct 21 02:37 |
| sebsebseb | idiots who think MIcrsooft OFfice 365 is so important uh ! | Oct 21 02:37 |
| sebsebseb | seems my brothers are like that too uh | Oct 21 02:37 |
| sebsebseb | what's wrong with Libre Office seriosuly :) | Oct 21 02:37 |
| sebsebseb | unless need a total specific feature it lacks | Oct 21 02:38 |
| MinceR | wysiwyg | Oct 21 02:38 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: LibreOffice on Android? | Oct 21 02:38 |
| MinceR | that's what's wrong about it | Oct 21 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: no on Desktop Linux | Oct 21 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: or Windows | Oct 21 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: uhmm that's all the main office suites GUI, WYSIWYG | Oct 21 02:38 |
| MinceR | yeah | Oct 21 02:38 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Ah. | Oct 21 02:38 |
| MinceR | there's AndrOpenOffice though | Oct 21 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | and open office ? | Oct 21 02:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: the horror | Oct 21 02:39 |
| MinceR | (and i think LO were working on supporting android) | Oct 21 02:39 |
| MinceR | (or web, or both) | Oct 21 02:39 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Oct 21 02:39 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: I got Ubuntu 16.04 on a lap top he got from a computer fare the other month, but then he phoned me this afternoon and uh | Oct 21 02:39 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: I could hear the Windows noise in the back ground ! | Oct 21 02:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm still waiting for a usable version | Oct 21 02:39 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: I have a confession, I was able to get Windows 10 and Office 365 for my studying so I upgraded to WIndows 10 | Oct 21 02:39 |
| sebsebseb | the windows 7 on it | Oct 21 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | basiaclly | Oct 21 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | and then he put office 365 | Oct 21 02:40 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: For now I keep a WPS Office with stripped Internet access | Oct 21 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: and then he put on a program he needs as well for what he is doing, that is open source anyway into WIndows. and I was like no you can install that in ubuntu I expect | Oct 21 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | and yes I treid after that call in 20 seconds I had it installed | Oct 21 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | its in the repos | Oct 21 02:40 |
| MinceR | i used WPS Office as well, until i got my x86 tablet | Oct 21 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | left messages on facebook on how to install it in Ubutu, but he didn't appreciate much at the time | Oct 21 02:41 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah, right, we had this conversation before :) | Oct 21 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: I expected he would use windows or something | Oct 21 02:43 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: You've got to be patient | Oct 21 02:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 21 02:43 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: you give people the choice, of the bad popular OS, and the better OS, but certain pepole don't quite get it, and still end up choosing to use the bad OS | Oct 21 02:43 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Just a few more sudden Windows 10 updates lasting half an hour ;) | Oct 21 02:43 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: yeah or making the space run out on the lap top ! like this net book he got | Oct 21 02:44 |
| XRevan86 | And maybe he'll get it | Oct 21 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | he's upgrade to 10 already since I said windows 7 was out of support or probably, turns out its got another year or so left | Oct 21 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | of full proper support | Oct 21 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | but anyway | Oct 21 02:44 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: That's cruel | Oct 21 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: WIndows 10 is uh | Oct 21 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking for my GPD Pocket | Oct 21 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I won't put it back on after all | Oct 21 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | I got 128GB of internal space | Oct 21 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | so many Linux distro verisons I can put on with that instead ! | Oct 21 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | if I put on WIndows 10 again, it could take up like half the space, plus it's going to be a bit more complacted it seems for that device | Oct 21 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | since its not just get a ISO and install | Oct 21 02:45 |
| XRevan86 | I remember times when Microsoft said Windows 10 is more resource efficient than Windows 7 | Oct 21 02:46 |
| sebsebseb | or so it seems | Oct 21 02:46 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Windows 10 also requires additional space for updates (lots) | Oct 21 02:46 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: and I have two links for you and MinceR | Oct 21 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/10/ubuntu-mate-18-10-gpd-pocket-laptop | Oct 21 02:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu MATE 18.10 is Now Available for the GPD Pocket Laptop - OMG! Ubuntu! | Oct 21 02:47 | |
| MinceR | i don't think GPD products are sold here :( | Oct 21 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | that's pretty sweet that is available wit the tweaks for the device, like the make the screen roated around going across | Oct 21 02:47 |
| MinceR | it's doubtful they're even sold on Berlin | Oct 21 02:47 |
| XRevan86 | This reminds me I wanted to ping Wimpress | Oct 21 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: indeed they are not they get crowd funded and then crowd funded on chinese websites such as http://geekbuyng.com | Oct 21 02:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-expressfriday.com | NO TITLE | Oct 21 02:48 | |
| sebsebseb | typo | Oct 21 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | wrong link then | Oct 21 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | http://geekbuying.com | Oct 21 02:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Online Shopping for Smartphone, TV Box, Tablet PC, RC Quadcopter, VR Headset at Geekbuying | Oct 21 02:48 | |
| sebsebseb | I have three of the GPD devices | Oct 21 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | GPD XD with more space crowd funded | Oct 21 02:49 |
| MinceR | what are they like? | Oct 21 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | GPD Win bought from chinese site after crowd funding | Oct 21 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | GPD Pocket crowd funded | Oct 21 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: what are they like freaking awesome ! well the pockets | Oct 21 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | there's a GPD pocket 2 | Oct 21 02:49 |
| XRevan86 | This gives me a Vietnam flashback about AC100 | Oct 21 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | and my second link have a look at this too | Oct 21 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | I think the work around section is quite funny :) | Oct 21 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | for some of the slight issues | Oct 21 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | what he has put there ha ha | Oct 21 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: XRevan86 https://ubuntu-mate.org/gpd-pocket/ | Oct 21 02:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntu-mate.org | Ubuntu MATE for the GPD Pocket and GPD Pocket 2 | Ubuntu MATE | Oct 21 02:50 | |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: I have mett Martin Impress a few times, and last year we stayed up chatting at the hotel untill 4:30am ! | Oct 21 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | on the sunday night | Oct 21 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | after the confreence | Oct 21 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR XRevan86 for the GPD win they crowd funded with a Ubuntu 16.04 version and Windows 10, but the 16.04 version didn't work that well apparnatly, so been a load of community spins of ubuntu and such since | Oct 21 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | and GPD only provide these things with WIndows 10 by default | Oct 21 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | now | Oct 21 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | however the GPD Win 2 which I dont have yet, app arantly pretty much just works with Linux | Oct 21 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | or does just work and normal Linux ISo's | Oct 21 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: why you wanted to ping impress ? | Oct 21 02:53 |
| MinceR | understandable | Oct 21 02:54 |
| MinceR | both of those OSes are garbage | Oct 21 02:54 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: There's a patch that needs to be backported into 18.04 | Oct 21 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: right but can run pretty much any Linux distro on these devices | Oct 21 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | just may have to do some tweaking to get the screen turned around the resolution. the normal way and wireless to work things like that | Oct 21 02:56 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: It's just that I haven't seen him respond to anyone on IRC for weeks | Oct 21 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: a patch for what ? | Oct 21 02:56 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: A screensaver bug | Oct 21 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Oct 21 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | what in x screensaver ? | Oct 21 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | what bug ? | Oct 21 02:57 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: mate-screensaver | Oct 21 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: is that with flying toasters and what not ? | Oct 21 02:58 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: ugh, it's a screen locker too | Oct 21 02:58 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i expected to be able to | Oct 21 02:58 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: why do you call them garbage since they have system d ? | Oct 21 02:58 |
| MinceR | otherwise i wouldn't have been interested in those devices at all :> | Oct 21 02:58 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: Backdoors10 does not have systemd | Oct 21 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | Windows 10 | Oct 21 02:59 |
| MinceR | just something that inspired it | Oct 21 02:59 |
| MinceR | yeah, that's what they call it | Oct 21 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | windows 10 | Oct 21 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Oct 21 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yes the pocket is very nice | Oct 21 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Let's just say I've messed up and now doing damage control | Oct 21 02:59 |
| MinceR | xenial comes with the NSA backdoor and Backdoors10 is malware as well | Oct 21 03:00 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I don't have the version 2 but that will be very nice too | Oct 21 03:00 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: I think the screensaver programs are mostly useless now like the gnome one and such, a locker, but no screensaver | Oct 21 03:00 |
| sebsebseb | also if using wayland none of that stuff will work | Oct 21 03:00 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: the linux screensavers are very nice, flying toasters and what not | Oct 21 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | old but nice and good still | Oct 21 03:01 |
| MinceR | wayland is like that, yes | Oct 21 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | only sometimes enable though | Oct 21 03:01 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Like I said, it's a screen locker too | Oct 21 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yes since screensavers are a bit of a security issue or whatever it was | Oct 21 03:01 |
| MinceR | Wayland™ -- Your use case does not matter.™ | Oct 21 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | their reasoning | Oct 21 03:01 |
| MinceR | oh, right | Oct 21 03:01 |
| MinceR | Wayland™ -- Everything you want is a security issue.™ | Oct 21 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: apparantly the way xorg works is actsaully quite insecure in certain ways | Oct 21 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | but wayland is meant to fix | Oct 21 03:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: In this particular case, it's just that xscreensaver is specifically written for X11 | Oct 21 03:02 |
| MinceR | yeah, but X has an important advantage compared to waylandows | Oct 21 03:02 |
| MinceR | X actually works | Oct 21 03:02 |
| MinceR | plus X has a somewhat sane design | Oct 21 03:02 |
| MinceR | unlike other windowing systems | Oct 21 03:02 |
| XRevan86 | And screensavers rely on X11 embedding of windows | Oct 21 03:02 |
| XRevan86 | A programme gets executed, and then it's window is embedded | Oct 21 03:03 |
| XRevan86 | * its | Oct 21 03:03 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: MinceR yes and the way screensavers work in x11 is apparantly insecure so wayland won't have something like that, I belive it was | Oct 21 03:05 |
| MinceR | most wayland implementations depend on systemd | Oct 21 03:05 |
| MinceR | most wayland implementations force CSD | Oct 21 03:05 |
| MinceR | wayland's design discards screenshotting and FPS games as "insecure" | Oct 21 03:06 |
| MinceR | so fuck wayland | Oct 21 03:06 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh yeah screen shots, apparnatly also insecure | Oct 21 03:06 |
| MinceR | i guess having a fuckton of extremely carelessly written code run as root all the time was not considered insecure | Oct 21 03:06 |
| MinceR | somehow | Oct 21 03:06 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: It's possible to implement screensavers on Wayland | Oct 21 03:06 |
| sebsebseb | does it for way land ? | Oct 21 03:06 |
| sebsebseb | running as root ? | Oct 21 03:06 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: how for screensavers? | Oct 21 03:07 |
| MinceR | systemd is running as root | Oct 21 03:07 |
| sebsebseb | and yes the screensavers we know and love in Linux land | Oct 21 03:07 |
| MinceR | ask Red Hat if they think that's a security issue | Oct 21 03:07 |
| sebsebseb | are well mega old | Oct 21 03:07 |
| sebsebseb | from the 90's | Oct 21 03:07 |
| MinceR | they wrote proper code in the 90s | Oct 21 03:07 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: The protocol would have to be different | Oct 21 03:07 |
| XRevan86 | No window embedding | Oct 21 03:08 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: who wrote proper code in 90's? Micrsoft ? :D | Oct 21 03:08 |
| sebsebseb | Windows 95 | Oct 21 03:08 |
| sebsebseb | Windows 98 | Oct 21 03:08 |
| sebsebseb | Windows 3.1 kind of | Oct 21 03:08 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: But I suppose window contents can be transferred somehow | Oct 21 03:09 |
| XRevan86 | maybe even dbus | Oct 21 03:09 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: obviously not | Oct 21 03:09 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: XRevan86 also some of the graphics drivers I belive still don't work with Wayland, so Nvidia uhmm ah hmm | Oct 21 03:09 |
| MinceR | lol, dbugs | Oct 21 03:09 |
| XRevan86 | alright, unix sockets then | Oct 21 03:10 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: `and I think I was here the other night, and you put something like, most of the people who really knew x11 code, are already dead ! | Oct 21 03:10 |
| MinceR | let me guess, window embedding is also "insecure" | Oct 21 03:10 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yes, probably | Oct 21 03:10 |
| MinceR | considering that the current maintainers went and came up with this shit called wayland | Oct 21 03:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Same as with screenshots %) | Oct 21 03:11 |
| MinceR | which discards all the advantages X ever had | Oct 21 03:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: One window cannot manipulate another | Oct 21 03:11 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: advantages x had such as ? | Oct 21 03:11 |
| MinceR | modularity, flexibility, separation of policy from mechanism | Oct 21 03:11 |
| MinceR | the ability to make screenshots | Oct 21 03:11 |
| MinceR | the ability to embed windows | Oct 21 03:11 |
| MinceR | support for FPS games | Oct 21 03:11 |
| XRevan86 | support for keyloggers | Oct 21 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | FPS games such as ? | Oct 21 03:12 |
| XRevan86 | Just being the devil's advocate here (: | Oct 21 03:12 |
| MinceR | such as Xonotic and Zandronum | Oct 21 03:12 |
| MinceR | the ability to manage the windows of unresponsive applications | Oct 21 03:12 |
| MinceR | consistency between window decorations and behavior between different gui toolkits | Oct 21 03:13 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: apparantly its to difficult too make xorg update with modern stuff, so they did wayland | Oct 21 03:14 |
| MinceR | oh yeah, "modern" stuff | Oct 21 03:15 |
| MinceR | they should stuff their "modern" stuff where the sun doesn't shine | Oct 21 03:15 |
| MinceR | i bet they like embedding a whole web browser into every application as well | Oct 21 03:16 |
| MinceR | that's awfully popular with the kids too | Oct 21 03:16 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well for now you can still use xorg if you choose, even if they got wayland support | Oct 21 03:16 |
| MinceR | oh, you wanted to use your RAM for meaningful things? too bad! | Oct 21 03:16 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: altough if nvidai provide proper drivers for wayland and amd as well, I guess xorg may get dropped sooner from those distros | Oct 21 03:16 |
| MinceR | yeah, but it won't be improved anymore | Oct 21 03:16 |
| MinceR | because nobody understands it | Oct 21 03:16 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well yeah exactly | Oct 21 03:16 |
| MinceR | "those distros" being systemd distros? | Oct 21 03:16 |
| MinceR | i don't care about those | Oct 21 03:16 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: if people aren'ta live with the tech knowledge to maintain it | Oct 21 03:17 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: it can't really be improved | Oct 21 03:17 |
| sebsebseb | or if only like one or two have the technical knowlege | Oct 21 03:17 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: it's a bit like the old classical installer for Mageia from the Mandrake/Mandriva days, what the only like two people can properly change it ? | Oct 21 03:17 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: and xorg is complacted program, things change, times change, the world moves no etc, but you don't, you do a cubexyz and run a really old version of some distro suddenly ! | Oct 21 03:18 |
| MinceR | it's not my fault red hat took over the community and turned it into shit | Oct 21 03:19 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: took over which communty ? | Oct 21 03:19 |
| MinceR | which used to be the GNU/Linux community | Oct 21 03:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | X is a disaster that has been criticized as such for decades. | Oct 21 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It just never got replaced by anything until now. | Oct 21 03:25 |
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| MinceR | finally you can have a windowing system that forces someone else's ideas on you | Oct 21 03:26 |
| MinceR | oh wait, you could always have those | Oct 21 03:26 |
| MinceR | winblows did that (and still does) | Oct 21 03:26 |
| MinceR | macos did that (and still does) | Oct 21 03:26 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: x a disaster how ? | Oct 21 03:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's bloated with a lot of things that don't make sense that nobody will ever use again. | Oct 21 03:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has extensions, and many of them have never worked properly in normal use cases. | Oct 21 03:41 |
| MinceR | yeah, like the ability to make screenshots | Oct 21 03:41 |
| MinceR | and the ability to grab and warp the pointer | Oct 21 03:41 |
| MinceR | who the hell uses those? | Oct 21 03:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The versioning of those extensions doesn't interact properly, and you could get any version of them, depending on what wins the race. | Oct 21 03:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's the screen locker problem, which still happens when you try to run a lock screen on X. | Oct 21 03:42 |
| MinceR | microsoft wins the race and you get nothing | Oct 21 03:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes the lock screen just crashes, or X displays the contents of the desktop instead for whatever reason. | Oct 21 03:42 |
| MinceR | vlock works as well with x as with anything else | Oct 21 03:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=x_wayland_situation&num=1 | Oct 21 03:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Wayland Situation: Facts About X vs. Wayland - Phoronix | Oct 21 03:47 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was written a while ago, but still... | Oct 21 03:47 |
| MinceR | "x is old and has some issues, so throw it all out and use this new, "modern" and extremely limited system because it's new and newer is always better" | Oct 21 03:50 |
| MinceR | in so many words spanning 4 pages | Oct 21 03:50 |
| MinceR | of course, the article neglects to mention any of the issues with waylandows | Oct 21 03:51 |
| MinceR | the usual poetteringian approach of "if it doesn't happen on _my_ laptop, then nobody important will ever need it" | Oct 21 03:51 |
| MinceR | what i don't get is how red hat managed to get an entire community of people they regularly tread upon to support them and do free work for them | Oct 21 03:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't call it more limited. It just pushes the responsibility for the things X could do that everyone was implementing themselves anyway onto the clients. | Oct 21 03:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All of X for most users now boils down to really horrible IPC. | Oct 21 03:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, being unable to make screenshots is not a limitation | Oct 21 03:55 |
| MinceR | most implementations not being able to do server-side decorations is not a limitation either | Oct 21 03:55 |
| MinceR | i didn't know everyone was already building half a window manager into their clients, though | Oct 21 03:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The desktop environments tend to have a screenshot utility. | Oct 21 03:55 |
| MinceR | yeah, which won't work under wayland | Oct 21 03:56 |
| MinceR | because it's "insecure" | Oct 21 03:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Server side decorations is doable with Wayland. KWin on Wayland does it. | Oct 21 03:56 |
| MinceR | yeah, 2 out of many implementations do it | Oct 21 03:56 |
| MinceR | provided sway does decorations at all | Oct 21 03:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The window managers that run on X are already doing most of the work anyway. | Oct 21 03:56 |
| MinceR | which is how it should be | Oct 21 03:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Once they're more or less done with it they tell X "Put it there and try not to fuck it up.". | Oct 21 03:56 |
| MinceR | since you can replace them easily | Oct 21 03:56 |
| MinceR | and a lot of the tricky stuff can be in the windowing system instead | Oct 21 03:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think a lot of attention has to be called to the limitations of ultra high resolution displays and multiple displays. | Oct 21 03:57 |
| MinceR | why, can red hat people not afford those? | Oct 21 03:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Multiple displays with X has never worked right and probably never will, especially if they have different resolutions. | Oct 21 03:58 |
| MinceR | i must be hallucinating right now | Oct 21 03:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The extension to handle that has been around forever, and it's still awful. :) | Oct 21 03:58 |
| MinceR | because i'm pretty damn sure i have X serving multiple displays right in front of me right now | Oct 21 03:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama#Known_problems | Oct 21 03:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Xinerama - Wikipedia | Oct 21 03:59 | |
| MinceR | i don't _want_ color depth below 24bit | Oct 21 03:59 |
| MinceR | 3d acceleration works fine on all heads | Oct 21 03:59 |
| MinceR | and i think this isn't even about what i'm using, as i _did_ add the second physical screen with xrandr | Oct 21 04:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's true that X has been much worse than it is now. | Oct 21 04:00 |
| MinceR | yet it never sucked as much as wayland does | Oct 21 04:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was using it before it could reliably configure itself and you had to write configuration files yourself. | Oct 21 04:00 |
| MinceR | and wayland won't get better since the people in charge of it don't care | Oct 21 04:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Something that should _never_ be required of a user. | Oct 21 04:01 |
| MinceR | the whole reason it was designed the way it was is because they believe people like me don't matter | Oct 21 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: did you mean x won't get bother not wayland ? | Oct 21 04:01 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: please translate to english | Oct 21 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | better | Oct 21 04:01 |
| MinceR | no, wayland won't get better | Oct 21 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: wat wont get better | Oct 21 04:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That would be like Windows saying "Hey, you have a video card! Here! Please write out a 60 line file so I know how to use it!". | Oct 21 04:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In 2006. | Oct 21 04:01 |
| MinceR | it's being developed with the wrong attitude | Oct 21 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | well there was mir before mostly dead or unused now, but you didn't like that either | Oct 21 04:02 |
| MinceR | dunno, that would have been nicer than the way windows actually works | Oct 21 04:02 |
| MinceR | which is "randomly fuck up all the time" | Oct 21 04:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thanks largely to X, in some ways, Windows was actually better from an "easier to use" standpoint until recently. | Oct 21 04:02 |
| MinceR | like when you allow it to turn of displays in power saving on a multihead system | Oct 21 04:02 |
| MinceR | so windows turns off your monitors | Oct 21 04:02 |
| sebsebseb | oh mir oh mir | Oct 21 04:02 |
| sebsebseb | Canonical mir oh yeah | Oct 21 04:02 |
| sebsebseb | what if | Oct 21 04:02 |
| sebsebseb | that had taken over more ! | Oct 21 04:02 |
| MinceR | and then it decides those monitors don't exist | Oct 21 04:02 |
| MinceR | so it moves the windows off them | Oct 21 04:02 |
| sebsebseb | with snappy and flatpack as well lol | Oct 21 04:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, as long as you avoid Nvidia, your graphics should just work now. | Oct 21 04:02 |
| oiaohm | Mir protocol is dead. | Oct 21 04:02 |
| MinceR | then you unlock the thing and it turns them back on | Oct 21 04:03 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: exactly that's waht I put aboev | Oct 21 04:03 |
| MinceR | and panics, because it moved the windows off them | Oct 21 04:03 |
| oiaohm | Mir compositor is swaping to wayland. | Oct 21 04:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you want to fuck with it for hours and still maybe not get it to work, there's Nvidia. | Oct 21 04:03 |
| MinceR | so it randomly shuffles your windows between your displays | Oct 21 04:03 |
| sebsebseb | also what's the point with all this flatpack and snappy stuff really ? | Oct 21 04:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's always an option. | Oct 21 04:03 |
| MinceR | and resizes virtualbox guest windows | Oct 21 04:03 |
| MinceR | which makes virtualbox crash | Oct 21 04:03 |
| MinceR | yeah, windows is so great | Oct 21 04:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, Nvidia has no Wayland support. | Oct 21 04:03 |
| MinceR | so why don't wayland "designers" go the fuck back to windows already | Oct 21 04:03 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: yes I put that ealirer nviida has no wayland support | Oct 21 04:03 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: different wayland compositors work with Nvidia. | Oct 21 04:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You pretty much are stuck with X if you use Nvidia, unless you use Nouveau, which isn't an option on any actual Nvidia hardware released in the last 8 years or so. | Oct 21 04:04 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: indeed | Oct 21 04:04 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: without using Nouveau | Oct 21 04:04 |
| MinceR | and this sort of absolute fucktardedness is coming to your systems, since it has been taken over by the fucktards at red hat who worship microsoft and apple | Oct 21 04:04 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Fedora latest version oh yeah baby | Oct 21 04:05 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: flatpak has a point for developing sandbox systems around applications. Snappy due to using loopback is memory hungry. | Oct 21 04:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I gave an older Nvidia card that works fine with Nouveau to a friend. | Oct 21 04:05 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: finally you can use windows and call it fedora! | Oct 21 04:05 |
| MinceR | flatpak is a piece of shit | Oct 21 04:05 |
| MinceR | its "sandbox" is worthless | Oct 21 04:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Windows sub system for Linux running Fedora | Oct 21 04:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There does seem to be more software available as Snaps. | Oct 21 04:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: no acstaul Linux kernel in that though ! | Oct 21 04:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 4100+ programs, last I checked. | Oct 21 04:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: note I said for development sandbox around applications. | Oct 21 04:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, nothing protecting you from malware since Canonical doesn't check. | Oct 21 04:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Oct 21 04:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not functional sandbox yet. | Oct 21 04:06 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yeah, for all your "open bash in a window, wank to it, get scared by all the letters, close the window" needs | Oct 21 04:06 |
| MinceR | snappy is a piece of shit too | Oct 21 04:06 |
| MinceR | with a proprietary server side | Oct 21 04:07 |
| sebsebseb | yes this snappy stuff uhmm | Oct 21 04:07 |
| sebsebseb | I am not sure about that same for flatpack | Oct 21 04:07 |
| MinceR | owned by the microsoft lackeys at canonical | Oct 21 04:07 |
| sebsebseb | what's wrong with the old way really | Oct 21 04:07 |
| sebsebseb | ok we get depandandancy issues at times but eh | Oct 21 04:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Snappy is worse. | Oct 21 04:07 |
| MinceR | obviously the problem with the old way is that it's "old" | Oct 21 04:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has its own daemon and it's quite bloated, and all software has to come from Canonical. | Oct 21 04:07 |
| MinceR | and that it's not windows nor macos | Oct 21 04:07 |
| sebsebseb | also that whole click to snappy thing that hold up progress on ubuntu touch as well | Oct 21 04:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It may work on other distributions, but without their central server, the format is useless. | Oct 21 04:07 |
| MinceR | in the old way, the owner/user has a choice in what happens on their computer | Oct 21 04:07 |
| MinceR | this obviously can't be allowed to continue | Oct 21 04:08 |
| sebsebseb | I haven't really used snappy or flatpack properly though to be fair but still what I put above | Oct 21 04:08 |
| sebsebseb | not realy used flat pack at all, treid to install a snap or two | Oct 21 04:08 |
| MinceR | the state must decide everything for you! | Oct 21 04:08 |
| oiaohm | snappy design consumes more ram and cpu time than using flatpak or appimage and both flatpak and appimage is normally inside 50 megs of memory of a normal package installed application and cpu usage almost identical. | Oct 21 04:08 |
| MinceR | eventually they could even get rid of input devices | Oct 21 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I could run my own flatpak store and anyone with the appropriate client software could use it. | Oct 21 04:08 |
| MinceR | just install a display with speakers, microphone and camera | Oct 21 04:08 |
| oiaohm | Snappy managers to consume about 20 percent more memory and about 30 percent more cpu. | Oct 21 04:08 |
| oiaohm | Snappy is basically garbage. | Oct 21 04:09 |
| oiaohm | Snappy also manages to ruin your boot up and shutdown times. | Oct 21 04:09 |
| MinceR | no problem, you'll just run systemd and pretend you boot and shutdown quickly | Oct 21 04:09 |
| MinceR | (even though you won't, even if it succeeds) | Oct 21 04:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My laptop does boot and shutdown pretty quickly. | Oct 21 04:10 |
| MinceR | you can have your computing run on Alternative Facts! | Oct 21 04:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Less than 10 seconds to the login screen from power on. | Oct 21 04:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its up to 10 seconds a snappy package installed can add to your shutdown. | Oct 21 04:10 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: yes with system D :) :D | Oct 21 04:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am sorry snapcraft/snappy makes systemd look anglic. | Oct 21 04:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With a hard disk drive and sysvinit, I used to wait nearly 2 minutes for my computer to start up. | Oct 21 04:11 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: see, that's how it works | Oct 21 04:11 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: yeah, but i'm sure the HDD/SSD had nothing to do with it :> | Oct 21 04:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its all back to using loopback file system that snapcraft/snappy does it hurts big time. | Oct 21 04:11 |
| MinceR | just as the medical treatment did nothing, it was only the prayer. | Oct 21 04:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've used a HDD with systemd. | Oct 21 04:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was about 30 seconds to login screen. | Oct 21 04:12 |
| MinceR | i've used systemd on an SSD | Oct 21 04:12 |
| sebsebseb | oh System D oh System D, the best Linux program to exist in recent years, since you get on MinceR 's nerves so much ! | Oct 21 04:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A long wait compared to what I get now, but nowhere near 2 minutes. | Oct 21 04:12 |
| MinceR | sometimes it forgot to start the display manager | Oct 21 04:12 |
| MinceR | sometimes it froze while shutting down | Oct 21 04:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: funny part was early systemd had issues on SSD but was find on HDD. | Oct 21 04:12 |
| MinceR | but it's not like you'd need an init system to do those things | Oct 21 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The default timeout on systemd for shutting a service down is way too long. You can set it to something shorter before it gives up and moves on. | Oct 21 04:13 |
| MinceR | or you can replace it with an OS that is not a toy | Oct 21 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Occasionally something will get hung up and not shut down, so I think that 5 seconds is a reasonable wait time. The default is 1 minute 30 seconds. | Oct 21 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Almost always, moving on and shutting the system down is not going to hurt anything. | Oct 21 04:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the service is hung and it was going to hurt anything, the damage is already done. | Oct 21 04:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not going to shut down, so just kill it. :P | Oct 21 04:14 |
| MinceR | just hold the power button | Oct 21 04:15 |
| MinceR | i bet that's what lennart does | Oct 21 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | System D | Oct 21 04:15 |
| oiaohm | That was something else systemd 1 min 30 sec came about from sysvinit scripts shutting down orcale databases way too quick. | Oct 21 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | Flat pack | Oct 21 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | Snappy | Oct 21 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | btrfs | Oct 21 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah | Oct 21 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah | Oct 21 04:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I did that until I just set the timeout lower. | Oct 21 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | ! | Oct 21 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | the recent tech oh yeah | Oct 21 04:16 |
| sebsebseb | linux tech | Oct 21 04:16 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah | Oct 21 04:16 |
| oiaohm | Some of systemd odd behavours are based on too broadly working around issues. | Oct 21 04:16 |
| MinceR | oracle is a pretty good fit | Oct 21 04:16 |
| MinceR | that's a bloated piece of shit too | Oct 21 04:16 |
| sebsebseb | the recent way better tech oh yeah | Oct 21 04:16 |
| sebsebseb | the old stuff whatever, time moves on | Oct 21 04:16 |
| sebsebseb | the world goes on | Oct 21 04:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that SUSE is the only distribution still seriously pursuing btrfs. | Oct 21 04:16 |
| sebsebseb | newer is always better MinceR :D | Oct 21 04:16 |
| MinceR | i remember having to start every lesson at the labor at the college killing oracle | Oct 21 04:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Red Hat is developing Stratis. | Oct 21 04:16 |
| MinceR | because it ate most of the RAM doing nothing | Oct 21 04:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and a evil bit of stuff as well for needing to do a full database rebuild because it told you it was finshed and you could shutdown while it was still in fact writing stuff to disc. | Oct 21 04:17 |
| MinceR | (and an empty table takes something like 100MB on disk...) | Oct 21 04:17 |
| sebsebseb | Windows 10 is better since newer ! | Oct 21 04:17 |
| sebsebseb | these silly lap tops wehre can't just easilly take the battery out, like the old ones, are better since newer ! | Oct 21 04:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Stratis-Red-Hat-Project | Oct 21 04:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stratis Is Red Hat's Plan For Next-Gen Linux Storage Without Btrfs - Phoronix | Oct 21 04:17 | |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: is it NTFS under a new name? | Oct 21 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Implementing a way to shrink XFS volumes would be nice. | Oct 21 04:18 |
| sebsebseb | UEFI oh yeah WOW how could I forget that one, that is also better, way better, since it's newer tech ! OH YEAH ! | Oct 21 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From what I've been told it isn't impossible, it's just that nobody has ever implemented it. | Oct 21 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | FWIW, I'm still using Ext4 on LVM on my laptop. | Oct 21 04:19 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz is living life rather wrongly, he has to have the latest Fedora, not the very first ! | Oct 21 04:19 |
| sebsebseb | since newer is always better ha ha ! | Oct 21 04:19 |
| sebsebseb | also Ext 3 | Oct 21 04:20 |
| sebsebseb | forget that | Oct 21 04:20 |
| sebsebseb | it has to be Ext4 at least | Oct 21 04:20 |
| sebsebseb | since newer! | Oct 21 04:20 |
| MinceR | ext4 doesn't eat enough RAM, you need zfs instead | Oct 21 04:20 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: uhmm only Ubuntu can run zfs I think | Oct 21 04:20 |
| sebsebseb | newer later versions ! | Oct 21 04:20 |
| MinceR | i don't see the problem | Oct 21 04:21 |
| MinceR | ubuntu comes with systemd, doesn't it? | Oct 21 04:21 |
| sebsebseb | also 32bit no no that must die, since newer is always better, so 64bit | Oct 21 04:21 |
| MinceR | (that helps you waste more RAM too!) | Oct 21 04:21 |
| sebsebseb | oh and forget mate and all that | Oct 21 04:21 |
| sebsebseb | newer is better | Oct 21 04:21 |
| sebsebseb | got to be GNOME 3 and Plasma and such now | Oct 21 04:21 |
| MinceR | mate is heresy | Oct 21 04:21 |
| MinceR | plasma is also heresy | Oct 21 04:21 |
| MinceR | it must be gnome3 | Oct 21 04:21 |
| sebsebseb | forget w3 and openbox and all taht, that's old skool, and newer is alwasy better | Oct 21 04:21 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: http://xfs.org/index.php/Shrinking_Support << there is a list of things need to be done to resize XFS volumes smaller. | Oct 21 04:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shrinking Support - XFS.org | Oct 21 04:21 | |
| sebsebseb | newer is always better, MinceR has to delete his distros without system d! since newer is always better! | Oct 21 04:22 |
| sebsebseb | ha ha | Oct 21 04:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://lwn.net/Articles/747633/ Its kind of funny XFS might grow the snapshot ablity and other features before btrfs is ready for production. | Oct 21 04:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New tricks for XFS [LWN.net] | Oct 21 04:23 | |
| MinceR | wasn't btrfs abandoned recently? | Oct 21 04:23 |
| sebsebseb | nope can't use XFS oiaohm since newer is alwasy better and that's old skool | Oct 21 04:23 |
| sebsebseb | that's not even a Ext version | Oct 21 04:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yes I think so or pretty much, hence why I put Ext4 it has to be, since newer is alwasy better ! | Oct 21 04:23 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: maybe you could have root on exfat or ntfs | Oct 21 04:23 |
| sebsebseb | yes no fat file systems | Oct 21 04:24 |
| sebsebseb | has to be NTFS at least | Oct 21 04:24 |
| sebsebseb | when it comes to Microsoft ones now, since newer is always better ! | Oct 21 04:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: btrfs is still being developed by some groups. | Oct 21 04:24 |
| sebsebseb | FAT is pretty rubbish though for big files and oh I know ! | Oct 21 04:25 |
| sebsebseb | FAT32 | Oct 21 04:25 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: exfat is not. | Oct 21 04:25 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: just microsoft patents in way with exfat. | Oct 21 04:25 |
| sebsebseb | exfat is a linux version ? | Oct 21 04:25 |
| sebsebseb | a reverse enginnered version ? | Oct 21 04:25 |
| MinceR | no, exfat is the extremely patent-encumbered version | Oct 21 04:25 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: uhmm did you miss the recent news? | Oct 21 04:25 |
| MinceR | which they got into the SD "standard" as well | Oct 21 04:25 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Microsoft are giving away most of their patents to oin | Oct 21 04:25 |
| sebsebseb | to apparnatly protect Linux | Oct 21 04:25 |
| MinceR | (they also have a frivolous patent on vfat) | Oct 21 04:25 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: microsoft could have sold off the important patents to patent trolls before joing oin. | Oct 21 04:26 |
| MinceR | yeah, like fidesz protected my pension fund | Oct 21 04:26 |
| MinceR | microsoft kept the vfat patents | Oct 21 04:26 |
| sebsebseb | who's fidesz ? | Oct 21 04:26 |
| MinceR | the state party of hungary | Oct 21 04:26 |
| sebsebseb | oh right | Oct 21 04:26 |
| MinceR | microsoft also keeps at least 2 patent trolls around to attack its competitors | Oct 21 04:26 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: selling some off first, didn't think of that, but yeah I guess possibly | Oct 21 04:26 |
| MinceR | those aren't covered by this PR stunt either | Oct 21 04:27 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: exfat supports up to single files of 128 PiB in size. | Oct 21 04:27 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: most people don't think about things like that, they just eat up the latest m$ propaganda as if it was scripture | Oct 21 04:27 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: what's the PR stuent, this giving away lots of patents thing ? | Oct 21 04:27 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: its having a drive big enough to max out exfat is quite a problem. | Oct 21 04:27 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: the joining OIN thing | Oct 21 04:27 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: but Microsoft love Linux ! | Oct 21 04:27 |
| sebsebseb | or so they say | Oct 21 04:28 |
| MinceR | wasting a drive like that on exfat, you mean? :> | Oct 21 04:28 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yes, they say that | Oct 21 04:28 |
| sebsebseb | also if thehy can't sue android makers now uhmm | Oct 21 04:28 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: meanwhile they blackmail and sue companies for selling products that incorporate it | Oct 21 04:28 |
| sebsebseb | they loes some money | Oct 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I doubt that we'll benefit from them gifting us a patent license for exfat. | Oct 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll just keep having to install the fuse module myself. | Oct 21 04:28 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: they use the vfat patents to sue android makers, and they've held on to those | Oct 21 04:28 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh | Oct 21 04:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The VFAT ones should be expired anyway. | Oct 21 04:28 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: maybe the prominent LDF members will make the exfat driver mainline | Oct 21 04:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | VFAT was Windows 95 era, hence more than 20 years old. | Oct 21 04:29 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: and you still won't be covered by any patent grants | Oct 21 04:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When did exfat come along? | Oct 21 04:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows Vista or 7? | Oct 21 04:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 2006.....ahhh, Vista. | Oct 21 04:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, 8 more years or so and it'll be public domain. | Oct 21 04:30 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m] loves Vista ! | Oct 21 04:31 |
| MinceR | maybe their friends on various governments will help them out | Oct 21 04:31 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m] loves Windows 8 | Oct 21 04:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The limits of exfat are sufficiently large that it should be in use well into the future. But who knows? | Oct 21 04:31 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Oct 21 04:31 |
| MinceR | they'll push some other toxic shit into the SD card "standard" in 8 years anyway | Oct 21 04:31 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m] loves Windows ME as well his favourite ! | Oct 21 04:31 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: 2006 exfat Windows CE 6.0. | Oct 21 04:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had Windows Me on one of my computers. | Oct 21 04:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was notoriously buggy. | Oct 21 04:32 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: and loved it | Oct 21 04:32 |
| sebsebseb | for the bugs | Oct 21 04:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was even one where System Restore couldn't restore any restore points made after a certain date, which was just a few months after Windows Me was released. :P | Oct 21 04:32 |
| sebsebseb | and windows 10 had a recent data deletetion bug ! | Oct 21 04:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 21 04:32 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: :) at what I put or him ? | Oct 21 04:33 |
| MinceR | well, you don't trust windows with any important data anyway, do you? | Oct 21 04:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows Me was more reliable than Windows 9x in some other ways though. | Oct 21 04:33 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: at the restore point thing | Oct 21 04:33 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: no I don't | Oct 21 04:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | System File Protection was introduced. | Oct 21 04:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If something tried replacing a protected OS component, it was silently removed and replaced with the original. | Oct 21 04:33 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: lots of peopel do trust it with important data though sadly ! | Oct 21 04:33 |
| MinceR | well, it can't be important if such people are trusted with it | Oct 21 04:34 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: people use it all over in business etc | Oct 21 04:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of software broke because it relied on whacking a system file with its own version. :P | Oct 21 04:34 |
| sebsebseb | and put confiditinal data into windows ! | Oct 21 04:34 |
| MinceR | their business is obviously unimportant | Oct 21 04:34 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: most peopel don't get tech | Oct 21 04:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was never supported by Microsoft, but software got used to being able to do it. | Oct 21 04:35 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: eseicailaly in the kind of thing i am thinking of | Oct 21 04:35 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: hence the success of microsoft, apple and red hat | Oct 21 04:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Side by Side Assemblies ultimately ended up being the "solution". | Oct 21 04:35 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: exactly and I think I put that earlier | Oct 21 04:35 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Microsoft and Apple are so popular, because of ignorance | Oct 21 04:35 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: how come your on now by teh way ? | Oct 21 04:36 |
| MinceR | it's the weekend | Oct 21 04:37 |
| MinceR | and i should be sleeping anyway | Oct 21 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: same here really | Oct 21 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | I should be sleeping | Oct 21 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | except I am such a night owl etc | Oct 21 04:37 |
| sebsebseb | that of course I am not feeling tired tonight | Oct 21 04:37 |
| MinceR | of course, since a large mass of idiots bring money into IT, the industry follows what impresses them, so the IT industry has gone to hell | Oct 21 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: but once I wind down as I think it's called I can sleep anywhere that's comfortable enough | Oct 21 04:38 |
| MinceR | and this is how market economy fails | Oct 21 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yes they get lots of money for selling their junk, Office 365, etc | Oct 21 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | Office 365 uh ! | Oct 21 04:38 |
| sebsebseb | Microsoft Office uh 1 | Oct 21 04:39 |
| sebsebseb | ! | Oct 21 04:39 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh with some macafee or norton anti virus usaully to uhmm apparnatly protect that install too | Oct 21 04:39 |
| sebsebseb | usually | Oct 21 04:39 |
| MinceR | "protect", yes | Oct 21 04:39 |
| sebsebseb | the guy who funded macafee said it was rubbish in a more recent video he no longer works for them | Oct 21 04:39 |
| sebsebseb | founded | Oct 21 04:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that, ultimately, Red Hat's good fortune is good fortune for GNU/Linux. Who is going to pick up the ball if they go under? | Oct 21 04:40 |
| MinceR | we know most of the AV industry is a scam | Oct 21 04:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Canonical can't seem to do shit. | Oct 21 04:40 |
| sebsebseb | but the lay men | Oct 21 04:40 |
| sebsebseb | think it will protect them | Oct 21 04:40 |
| MinceR | it was enough to listen to symantec and kaspersky representatives to find that out | Oct 21 04:40 |
| sebsebseb | what did they say ? | Oct 21 04:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Canonical is completely incompetent and from what I understand, are still subsidized because they are still losing money. | Oct 21 04:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Do they still lose money? | Oct 21 04:40 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: not really -- they've killed most GNU/Linux distros and now they're killing Linux | Oct 21 04:40 |
| sebsebseb | yes I think mark still bailing them out | Oct 21 04:40 |
| MinceR | canonical does almost nothing | Oct 21 04:40 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: they dropped the ubuntu touch project, and unity, since they weren't making profit from it | Oct 21 04:41 |
| MinceR | they still lick microsoft's boots beside their partner redhat | Oct 21 04:41 |
| sebsebseb | even less now | Oct 21 04:41 |
| sebsebseb | now they dropped unity | Oct 21 04:41 |
| sebsebseb | and ubuntu touch | Oct 21 04:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, now they're back to shipping a hacked up GNOME. | Oct 21 04:41 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: some bullshit propping up windows that i forgot | Oct 21 04:41 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: exactly | Oct 21 04:41 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: well tis alwasy been GNOME under neath, but yes the interface | Oct 21 04:41 |
| MinceR | plus it turned out that kaspersky is delivering malware for putin's benefit | Oct 21 04:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Keeping Nautilus at 3.26 forever is not a great idea, but they probably will. | Oct 21 04:42 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: yes sine some feature that nautilus removed | Oct 21 04:42 |
| sebsebseb | desktop icons or something | Oct 21 04:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can add them back with an extension. | Oct 21 04:42 |
| sebsebseb | yes but apprantly that extension wasn't stable enough to be in by dfault | Oct 21 04:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't bother to since I don't use them anyway. | Oct 21 04:42 |
| sebsebseb | that's mostly a bad windows user habbit to have desktop icons ! | Oct 21 04:43 |
| sebsebseb | or files on the desktop | Oct 21 04:43 |
| MinceR | also a macos user habit | Oct 21 04:43 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: Ubuntu 18.10 has a community theme | Oct 21 04:43 |
| sebsebseb | Canoncial can't drop the ubuntu desktop | Oct 21 04:43 |
| sebsebseb | but it doens't make them profit ! | Oct 21 04:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it's based on Adwaita. | Oct 21 04:44 |
| sebsebseb | and has the ubuntu touch icons it seems by the sounds of it | Oct 21 04:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Using themes that are not Adwaita is not supported. | Oct 21 04:44 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly mark did want to keep on doing ubuntu touuch but canonical board said no so dropped | Oct 21 04:44 |
| sebsebseb | but UBports are doing a way better job with that now :) | Oct 21 04:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/10/on-gtk-themes-broken | Oct 21 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Should GNOME Drop Support for GTK3 Themes? - OMG! Ubuntu! | Oct 21 04:45 | |
| sebsebseb | yes I was thinking of that one too | Oct 21 04:45 |
| sebsebseb | how themes might get droped | Oct 21 04:45 |
| sebsebseb | since themes is hackery in GNOME 3 by the sounds of it | Oct 21 04:45 |
| MinceR | a good fit for gtk3, then :> | Oct 21 04:46 |
| MinceR | (and gnome) | Oct 21 04:46 |
| sebsebseb | that's MinceR 's sarcasm ? | Oct 21 04:46 |
| MinceR | have they said yet that this is necessary because they need to "strengthen their brand"? :> | Oct 21 04:46 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well the fan boys ubuntu fan boys won'tl ike it, the omgubuntu fan boys | Oct 21 04:46 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: no, i think shitty hackery really is a good fit for shitty hackery | Oct 21 04:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2018/10/15/restyling-apps-at-scale/ | Oct 21 04:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Restyling apps at scale – Space and Meaning | Oct 21 04:47 | |
| MinceR | gnome4 should just be a fullscreen gnome logo with no other text, icons, menus, buttons or functionality | Oct 21 04:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are examples given. | Oct 21 04:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just use Adwaita Dark and Paper icons. | Oct 21 04:47 |
| MinceR | that would definitely "strengthen the brand" | Oct 21 04:47 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yes that's the plan, I have the secret agenda | Oct 21 04:47 |
| MinceR | it would also no longer "confuse users" | Oct 21 04:47 |
| MinceR | it would also be "modern" | Oct 21 04:47 |
| MinceR | and easier to build into systemd in its entirety | Oct 21 04:48 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: they have to be careful, they don't want it to look too much like open box, so it has to be done carefully to be modern | Oct 21 04:48 |
| MinceR | that's easy | Oct 21 04:48 |
| MinceR | openbox has actual functionality and looks like something you could use on a computer | Oct 21 04:48 |
| MinceR | gnome4 would be none of that | Oct 21 04:48 |
| sebsebseb | yes it has a menu | Oct 21 04:48 |
| sebsebseb | open box | Oct 21 04:48 |
| sebsebseb | I am going rather soon | Oct 21 04:52 |
| sebsebseb | going to something in afternon being picked up early aftenroon for that | Oct 21 04:52 |
| sebsebseb | in other city | Oct 21 04:52 |
| sebsebseb | but should sleep a bit first | Oct 21 04:52 |
| sebsebseb | nearly 5am here | Oct 21 04:52 |
| sebsebseb | maybe MinceR fell off to sleep to an hour a head | Oct 21 04:53 |
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| schestowitz | > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-CoC-Greg-KH-Revised | Oct 21 07:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Linux Code of Conduct Revisions: CoC Committee Added Plus Interpretation & Mediator - Phoronix | Oct 21 07:22 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > We still don't really know about Mishi Choudhary. Little to nothing has | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > been said about her qualifications and background, especially technical | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > background. More to the point there have been some dodgy things going | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > on with SFLC lately. | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2017/nov/03/sflc-legal-action/ | Oct 21 07:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | SFLC Files Bizarre Legal Action Against Its Former Client, Software Freedom Conservancy - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy | Oct 21 07:22 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > It's way too early to express concern publicly on any forum but I do | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > think the situation warrants special monitoring. | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > Eben Moglen has been more or less disappeared from the net. At the | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > worst maybe a honey trap? | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Garrett, UEFI booster whom the FSF rewarded, wrote a blog post to warn Moglen is not like an enemy of FOSS. But Garrett himself tried and failed to fork Linux. | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Mishi Choudhary is OK, an online friend to me. | Oct 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Moglen participated in the OIN thing last week, going along with the Microsoft lies. I sort of lost respect for him when I read it. | Oct 21 07:22 |
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| schestowitz | Putitin the ballot | Oct 21 09:13 |
| schestowitz | [01:56] <MinceR> yeah, in russia, the result is known before the "election" begins | Oct 21 09:13 |
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| cubexyz | in linux-land if you don't like something you rewrite it :) | Oct 21 13:41 |
| cubexyz | the user has the power to do that | Oct 21 13:42 |
| cubexyz | and there's nothing wrong with running an "old" distro | Oct 21 13:42 |
| cubexyz | printing, scanning, most basic operations will work fine | Oct 21 13:43 |
| cubexyz | it's only the ever-morphing web browser and continual SSL revisions that force a new distro for web use | Oct 21 13:43 |
| cubexyz | besides... | Oct 21 13:46 |
| cubexyz | if you have a P3 or something even older, you're not going to want to run firefox or chrome on it | Oct 21 13:47 |
| cubexyz | it will just be too slow | Oct 21 13:47 |
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| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqAFvvxXgAAZMk0.jpg:large | Oct 21 15:43 |
| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2034/ | Oct 21 15:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Equations | Oct 21 15:54 | |
| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2035/ | Oct 21 16:05 |
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| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2036/ | Oct 21 16:45 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553454.gif | Oct 21 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: warum ist das? | Oct 21 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | * was ist das | Oct 21 17:06 |
| *XRevan86 is a professional | Oct 21 17:07 | |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Oct 21 17:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I'm not on my Virtual Private Network and use Comcast DNS servers, they're now loading an in-browser nag screen on websites that they do not own telling me that my modem isn't fast enough. | Oct 21 17:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I called and told them to knock it off. I don't use the internet in that configuration too much, but it's really annoying and inappropriate to take their sales pitch to me this way. I've _never_ gotten anything | Oct 21 17:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | close to the rated speed with Comcast, no matter whose modem I was using. They tell you that you're getting double whatever you really get on any package and this goes back decades now. | Oct 21 17:10 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Can you show a screenshot? | Oct 21 17:11 |
| XRevan86 | Also *how* do they do that? | Oct 21 17:12 |
| MinceR | transparent proxy | Oct 21 17:13 |
| XRevan86 | MitM'ing websites through DNS and modifying only HTTP through 80? | Oct 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It appears that way. | Oct 21 17:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A message with the Comcast logo and an "X" to close it appears saying that your current modem is too slow and you should upgrade it today to enjoy faster speeds. | Oct 21 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | I'd leave for the next ISP on the free market. | Oct 21 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, what's really sad is that you rent their shitty modem and your speed still doesn't go up. | Oct 21 17:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you're shoveling money into a fire for no reason. | Oct 21 17:19 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: How do they detect their branded modem? | Oct 21 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | https://support.opendns.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/220025527-Tricked-by-Comcast found this | Oct 21 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.opendns.com | Tricked by Comcast – OpenDNS | Oct 21 17:26 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: Well, it's on your account if it's one of theirs or not because they charge $11 a month rent if it's theirs. | Oct 21 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Ah, so they just know you don't have one | Oct 21 17:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To get around that, you buy your own that they have on a "compatibility list" and then call them up and give them the CMAC address, and they whitelist it on the network. | Oct 21 17:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then you return theirs and you don't have to pay the $11 a month anymore. | Oct 21 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | and if you were to find one on a trash yard, they'd still give you that message through DNS | Oct 21 17:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I plan to hold onto the one I have for now. It's plenty fast for me. | Oct 21 17:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, they slowed all the DOCSIS 2 modems to <1 Mbps and then gave them that message. | Oct 21 17:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Finally now DOCSIS 2.0 allowed, at all. | Oct 21 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: My ISP only cares about the MAC address. They literally don't care about whether I have a router or not. | Oct 21 17:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They rushed those modems off their network because they have a LOT of overhead. It really poisoned the entire network and made it less reliable for everyone. | Oct 21 17:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no excuse to get all iron fisted about DOCSIS 3.0 because they don't have that overhead problem. | Oct 21 17:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the DOCSIS 2.x days, the network was very slow and unreliable. It really nose dived in the evening when everyone got home from work andd on the computer. | Oct 21 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | What the heck is DOCSIS… | Oct 21 17:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I managed to get a tech to hand me one of the first DOCSIS 3.0 units they had. | Oct 21 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | TV cable Internet O_O | Oct 21 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A standard for data sent over the cable system. | Oct 21 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, in the DOCSIS 1.x days, you only had cable data going down. | Oct 21 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You also needed a dial up modem to upload. | Oct 21 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Satellite internet had a similar problem. | Oct 21 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Satellite internet goes up and down now though, but the lag is still quite bad. | Oct 21 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People in rural areas have to pay through the nose for it and it's terrible. | Oct 21 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They usually cap your data at like 250 MB per day and you end up paying extra if you go over that. | Oct 21 17:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's not really useful for large downloads or anything but basic web browsing and email. | Oct 21 17:34 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18101861 | Oct 21 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 21 17:34 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the late 90s, if you wanted out of dial up and were very, very lucky, DSL at up to 384kbps would be available in your area. Very expensive. | Oct 21 17:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You also had to live within a mile of a phone company routing office, which is where the very lucky bit came in. | Oct 21 17:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AT&T had one in Marion, Indiana, but Gas City was about 5 miles away, so no DSL. | Oct 21 17:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ISDN was an option, but you got a 64 kbps A channel and a 64 kbps B channel. A channel data was unlimited, but B channel cost extra. | Oct 21 17:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cable internet was not an option at that point in time. | Oct 21 17:36 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: How common are fiber optic cables? | Oct 21 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The cable company monopoly, TimeWarner, had just switched to "Digital" cable, which required a box, for another fee. | Oct 21 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could finally watch movies on the Pay Per View channels without calling the cable company and telling them the movie, channel, and time you wanted to watch. | Oct 21 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: Fairly common, even with the "cable" companies now. | Oct 21 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The cable companies are usually Fiber to the Node now. Last mile is coax. | Oct 21 17:38 |
| XRevan86 | Rostelecom, the state-affiliated telecom company that also provides Internet and TV, brags a lot about how superior they are giving fiberoptics to customers. | Oct 21 17:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mapped out the network at one point and the node that switches over to fiber optic is about half a mile from me. | Oct 21 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | When I actually saw what they do, it got me puzzled | Oct 21 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | so a fiber optic cable is brought to the flat, but then it's pulled through a converter | Oct 21 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | and then a twisted pair is connected to the router | Oct 21 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | I got reminded of that from "had just switched to "Digital" cable, which required a box, for another fee" | Oct 21 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know if they charge though, but it's pretty messy | Oct 21 17:41 |
| XRevan86 | ah, yes, they charge for that | Oct 21 17:41 |
| XRevan86 | Probably the closest thing to Comcast, Rostelecom is | Oct 21 17:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cable TV subscriptions are collapsing, so they keep coming back and hitting their internet only customers. | Oct 21 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like that's going to make me want basic cable for $150 a month. | Oct 21 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: ISPs that I've seen all provide TV through… a twisted pair | Oct 21 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | you know, twisted pair → Internet → multicast → TV streaming | Oct 21 17:45 |
| XRevan86 | nice and simple | Oct 21 17:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Comcast has a streaming TV app, but you have to subscribe to cable to use it over your internet. | Oct 21 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep. | Oct 21 17:47 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You mean, to subscribe to having a cable? | Oct 21 17:47 |
| XRevan86 | a wire | Oct 21 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Truth is, with the highly optimized codecs that Netflix and others are using now, you only need about 20 Mbps down to stream 4K. | Oct 21 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, you have to have Comcast cable TV to use the streaming app. | Oct 21 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They exempted it from your data limits claimin that they don't use "the internet" to send it to you. | Oct 21 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which may well be true, but it's still anti-competitive. | Oct 21 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because Comcast is a last mile ISP. | Oct 21 17:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have an ISP too. | Oct 21 17:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, Comcast can send stuff over their own network and not technically "use" the internet to do it. | Oct 21 17:50 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Well, it makes sense | Oct 21 17:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They throttled Netflix and extorted money from them for a "co-location deal" that puts Netflix on Comcast servers, but they still count Netflix against your data. | Oct 21 17:50 |
| XRevan86 | My ISP has only unlimited plans, so I cannot tell either way (: | Oct 21 17:52 |
| XRevan86 | ah, right, speed | Oct 21 17:52 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, right, I remember when I was on another ISP, they struck a deal with Yandex | Oct 21 17:53 |
| XRevan86 | but they didn't count it too | Oct 21 17:53 |
| XRevan86 | so there was a fast and unlimited connection to Yandex servers (including mirror.yandex.ru) from there | Oct 21 17:54 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It's cute what a monopoly can do | Oct 21 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: If they weren't one, Netflix could show them the door and place a warning for every Comcast user that their ISP intentionally throttles a connection | Oct 21 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | and Comcast would've lost customers | Oct 21 17:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Netflix did put up a warning for Verizon customers. | Oct 21 17:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It explained that playback issues were caused by Verizon intentionally slowing down Netflix. | Oct 21 17:59 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I take it Verizon is a smaller fish | Oct 21 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, not really. | Oct 21 18:00 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Just different regions? | Oct 21 18:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When AT&T got busted up under antitrust law in 1984, it was split into "baby bell" companies, so you had like "Illinois Bell", "Indiana Bell", etc. | Oct 21 18:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the pieces put themselves back together again. | Oct 21 18:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They turned into like "Southwestern Bell", "Ameritech", "Qwest", "Lucent".... | Oct 21 18:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then through more mergers, the four major cell phone companies are AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint, and AT&T and Verizon both have roots with the original AT&T. | Oct 21 18:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sprint and T-Mobile have been the smaller national carriers, but the nationals bought out basically all of the smaller cell companies. | Oct 21 18:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There used to be hundreds, and now there are like 4, not counting MVNOs that use the big four's networks. | Oct 21 18:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And Sprint and T-Mobile are merging. | Oct 21 18:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's going to be 3 soon. | Oct 21 18:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AT&T got out of the UNIX business because the free UNIX clones more or less killed it. | Oct 21 18:03 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | UNIX was a pure research project for way too long and AT&T was prevented from turning into what Microsoft became because regulators wouldn't let them ship a binary copy of UNIX pre-installed on computer systems. | Oct 21 18:04 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: What happened with the regulators when IBM showed up with their PCs? | Oct 21 18:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft was way too small to be on the government's radar at that time. | Oct 21 18:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were licensing an OS that was essentially a bad CP/M clone. | Oct 21 18:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | IBM cared more about getting something now and cheaply than giving their customers a reliable OS that cost more. | Oct 21 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it created an opening for Microsoft to essentially steal QDOS from Seattle Computer Products because they didn't tell them it was for IBM. | Oct 21 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they got DOS for $50,000. | Oct 21 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They went on to license it to IBM for the PC by the copy and ended up making many millions of dollars out of DOS by the time it was supplanted by Windows. | Oct 21 18:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AT&T sold source code licenses of UNIX To various companies, and they ended up creating a mess of "UNIX" systems that were incompatible with each other in various ways. | Oct 21 18:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That legacy continues to this day in the BSD operating systems. UFS is not a single file system, for example. | Oct 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They all made their own varient of it and, at best, you get to mount a volume created by another OS with "UFS" read only. | Oct 21 18:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The BSDs are a mess and they're far less compatible with each other than GNU/Linux distributions are. | Oct 21 18:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Over the years, different development decisions have led to very different operating systems that are (hopefully) source compatible with each other. | Oct 21 18:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GNU/Linux distributions are finally gaining better support for running identical binary software packages. | Oct 21 18:21 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So, like, Steam. You just install the Flatpak and you don't have to worry about what distribution it was built for or what versions of what dependencies it will bring in, possibly breaking games. | Oct 21 18:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's basically impossible to just hack up an RPM of Steam from their Ubuntu package and be sure it will work right on Fedora. | Oct 21 18:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It normally does, but developers of the games close your tickets for not running the game on Ubuntu. | Oct 21 18:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ubuntu very deliberately created the Snap format so you rely on them to maintain the package store. | Oct 21 18:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They obviously hope to use that later when it catches on to say "Ooops, it only works on Ubuntu now. Please install Ubuntu.". | Oct 21 18:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Supporting Snap on other distributions works to their advantage right now. | Oct 21 18:25 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Because they're in a format war with Flatpak. | Oct 21 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So software managers can "Just support both." like movie players were going to support HD-DVD and Blu Ray to avoid making the wrong decision. | Oct 21 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ubuntu never seeks consensus before doing anything, like when they tried to implement their own notifications and indicators specification behind closed doors. | Oct 21 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they patched system tray support out of applications that had it, breaking them in other desktops. | Oct 21 18:27 |
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| MinceR | https://local.theonion.com/man-who-enjoys-thing-informed-he-is-wrong-1819571272 | Oct 21 20:33 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm glad he grew as a person | Oct 21 20:34 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/14112616 | Oct 21 23:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 21 23:04 | |
| *XRevan86 watched the latest Doctor Who episode | Oct 21 23:10 | |
| XRevan86 | The Doctor still refuses to pronounce "t" in closed positions | Oct 21 23:11 |
| XRevan86 | "you can harm me" – I know from the context she meant "can't" | Oct 21 23:11 |
| XRevan86 | I'm calling this a can/can't merger :P | Oct 21 23:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | About to take off for Las Vegas. | Oct 22 01:07 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 22 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: fl | Oct 22 06:38 |
| schestowitz | dl | Oct 22 06:38 |
| schestowitz | don't get married my mistake | Oct 22 06:38 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553612.jpg | Oct 22 15:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The Dark Matter universe | Oct 22 15:46 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553461.jpg | Oct 22 15:48 |
| MinceR | http://www.doesnotplaywellwithothers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pwc-0385.png | Oct 22 15:53 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Linux Gaming Benchmarks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116687 [https://pleroma.site/objects/41769dd0-eac8-4514-b413-381d91bbf206] | Oct 22 15:59 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: #System76 Oryx Pro Laptop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116686 [https://pleroma.site/objects/86974aa5-fb46-450e-95df-62a1e1827282] | Oct 22 16:04 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: off sense of humour there | Oct 22 16:06 |
| schestowitz | I suppose about game addiction | Oct 22 16:06 |
| schestowitz | *odd I meant | Oct 22 16:06 |
| MinceR | not really | Oct 22 16:06 |
| MinceR | but i guess everyone sees into it what they want | Oct 22 16:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jjaone/status/1054387856402247680 | Oct 22 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jjaone: @schestowitz in the sense he build his office around him (the kernel community) 👌 | Oct 22 16:07 | |
| schestowitz | wife and I also work from home (have done so for a long time). It's a lot more fulfilling and productive for all sorts of reasons. | Oct 22 16:08 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, there's a belief in agile circles that you need to do software development at the office | Oct 22 16:09 |
| MinceR | but i guess as humans make the planet less habitable, the pressure to reduce pollution will work against this myth | Oct 22 16:10 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553436.jpg | Oct 22 16:12 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Open Source #3DPrinting and Open Source #MIDI Foot Controller http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116690 #openhardware [https://pleroma.site/objects/36591076-96b6-486b-bbd0-6537d168852f] | Oct 22 16:12 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 10 Best Free Project Management and #Birdtray http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116691 #freesw [https://pleroma.site/objects/ee97d35a-9075-41c2-94d8-f92e1724c695] | Oct 22 16:35 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553360.jpg | Oct 22 16:37 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116692 [https://pleroma.site/objects/33d323bf-52db-4af1-b8d4-b1e4248939fa] | Oct 22 16:38 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNOME: libxmlb, Glade Support for Builder and Vala http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116693 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4cc8b278-c500-4c12-892f-29226c16cfe1] | Oct 22 16:41 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1810182 | Oct 22 16:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 22 16:59 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Hwmon and OOMD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116694 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2c262e19-7398-4872-a5cc-182dc622fe68] | Oct 22 17:00 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553375.jpg | Oct 22 17:26 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latest About GNU/Linux Software on Chromebooks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116696 [https://pleroma.site/objects/afce03e5-c460-470d-8176-1f68b1fc70d9] | Oct 22 17:36 | |
| kaniini | schestowitz 199.19.78.16/29 will be the range for the techrights server | Oct 22 17:37 |
| kaniini | working on v6 | Oct 22 17:38 |
| kaniini | schestowitz out of curiosity, do you have the ability to copy the disk images on your current xen node? | Oct 22 17:39 |
| schestowitz | I need to ask tessier | Oct 22 17:44 |
| schestowitz | you mean copy across the VMs? That would be ideal, almost painless except setting up the network interfaces | Oct 22 17:44 |
| kaniini | yeah, that's what i am thinking | Oct 22 17:45 |
| kaniini | i got the box up | Oct 22 17:45 |
| kaniini | well | Oct 22 17:45 |
| schestowitz | that would be possible I guess | Oct 22 17:45 |
| schestowitz | tessier has the hypervisor access | Oct 22 17:45 |
| kaniini | the original box we set up kept locking up when running prime95 | Oct 22 17:45 |
| kaniini | so i borrowed another box from a different project | Oct 22 17:45 |
| schestowitz | excellent! | Oct 22 17:45 |
| kaniini | so now we have a box | Oct 22 17:45 |
| kaniini | lol | Oct 22 17:45 |
| schestowitz | we can add https to the sites while at it, I think I can figure it out and it's well overdue | Oct 22 17:46 |
| schestowitz | there are 5 domain names associated with the two sites | Oct 22 17:46 |
| schestowitz | is the box in a resilient DC just in case of outages? | Oct 22 17:46 |
| kaniini | yeah | Oct 22 17:47 |
| kaniini | i guess i will set this up as a xen node then | Oct 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | yeah, anything that makes it consistent as we have all sorts of things going on like cron jobs | Oct 22 17:50 |
| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/610/ | Oct 22 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Sheeple | Oct 22 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | tessier even noticed one earlier today, it's the techrights VM calling the Drupal cron on tuxmachines periodically using curl or wget | Oct 22 17:50 |
| schestowitz | (the machines are quiet tidy, but there's lots going on) | Oct 22 17:50 |
| schestowitz | I think we've overtaken lxer, not just linuxtoday with tuxmachines traffic. Phoronix about comparable at the moment, but we're still moving upwards and thus I'm rather nervous about the migration not going smoothly (like missing files, cron jobs, mime-types etc.) | Oct 22 17:52 |
| MinceR | nice | Oct 22 17:53 |
| kaniini | grr, apparently greenpeace IT admin loves secure boot | Oct 22 17:54 |
| kaniini | let me figure out how to turn that off on this fucking thing | Oct 22 17:54 |
| kaniini | ;) | Oct 22 17:54 |
| kaniini | cool looks like my guess actually worked | Oct 22 17:55 |
| schestowitz | I never saw 'secure boot' | Oct 22 17:55 |
| schestowitz | All my machines are old, very old | Oct 22 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Predating even ME | Oct 22 17:56 |
| kaniini | all of my stuff is dell | Oct 22 17:56 |
| kaniini | this is some weird supermicro box | Oct 22 17:56 |
| kaniini | so, the bios on it is a bit different than what i'm used to | Oct 22 17:56 |
| kaniini | haha | Oct 22 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Dell seems to have saved itself with Michael at the helm thanks to servers resurgence | Oct 22 17:57 |
| kaniini | going to set up | Oct 22 17:57 |
| kaniini | raid5 | Oct 22 17:57 |
| schestowitz | BIOS should be simple, they try to overcomplicate it now | Oct 22 17:57 |
| kaniini | plus lvm | Oct 22 17:57 |
| schestowitz | systemd is not trying to replace GRUB, too | Oct 22 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Next in line: Linux | Oct 22 17:57 |
| schestowitz | RAID would be good, I'm super paranoid about hardware issues | Oct 22 17:58 |
| schestowitz | (Had some before, managed to recover OK) | Oct 22 17:58 |
| schestowitz | we never had data loss in the site | Oct 22 17:58 |
| schestowitz | D-R after broken DB involved adding in manually the missing new posts, but that's rare | Oct 22 17:58 |
| kaniini | hmm, eth0 and eth1 are backwards on this box as they would be on a dell | Oct 22 17:58 |
| kaniini | annoying | Oct 22 17:59 |
| schestowitz | (I can handle these things myself, don't worry, I'm a sysadmin myself) | Oct 22 17:59 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines VM doesn't need to be large | Oct 22 17:59 |
| schestowitz | we don't have many media files on it, the images are all hotlinked in the ~120k Drupal nodes | Oct 22 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I'll look up the specs | Oct 22 18:00 |
| kaniini | well | Oct 22 18:00 |
| kaniini | this machine has some 1tb hdds in it | Oct 22 18:00 |
| kaniini | so in raid5 should be like 2tb total | Oct 22 18:00 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | /dev/md0 4.7G 2.7G 1.8G 61% / | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | tmpfs 7.8G 0 7.8G 0% /dev/shm | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | /dev/md1 969M 125M 794M 14% /boot | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | /dev/mapper/sysvg-home | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | 2.0G 1.2G 651M 65% /home | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | /dev/mapper/sysvg-usr | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | 5.7G 1.4G 4.1G 25% /usr | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | /dev/mapper/sysvg-var | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | 16G 11G 4.6G 70% /var | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | so less than 20gb use total | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | techrights always had some space constraints | Oct 22 18:02 |
| schestowitz | with backups dumped offsite each night | Oct 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I put dozens of my videos with RMS on there | Oct 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | oggs and webm files | Oct 22 18:03 |
| schestowitz | the relevant partitions: | Oct 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | /dev/mapper/sysvg-usr 5.9G 1.8G 4.2G 30% /usr | Oct 22 18:04 |
| kaniini | there will be a brief outage a few weeks from now when we move everything over to the new router | Oct 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | /dev/vda2 2.0G 176M 1.8G 9% /boot | Oct 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | /dev/mapper/sysvg-var 17G 8.7G 8.4G 51% /var | Oct 22 18:04 |
| kaniini | like 30 seconds | Oct 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | /dev/mapper/sysvg-tmp 997M 539M 458M 55% /tmp | Oct 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | /dev/mapper/sysvg-home 52G 39G 14G 74% /home | Oct 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | that's ok | Oct 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | we had a 12-hour outage last weekend | Oct 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | stresses me out as I poured out my whole adult life into these sites | Oct 22 18:04 |
| kaniini | well there will be plenty of warning ahead of time too | Oct 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | is it in Tulsa? | Oct 22 18:05 |
| kaniini | no, it's in las vegas | Oct 22 18:05 |
| kaniini | only a fool would put a DC in tulsa, too many weather risks | Oct 22 18:06 |
| schestowitz | yeah, what I was thinking more or less | Oct 22 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Never heard of major DCs in OK | Oct 22 18:06 |
| kaniini | harumph | Oct 22 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Amazon DC locations leaked out by Wikileaks recently, lots in CA | Oct 22 18:06 |
| kaniini | ssl certificate validation failure | Oct 22 18:06 |
| kaniini | checking date | Oct 22 18:07 |
| kaniini | 2005 | Oct 22 18:07 |
| kaniini | lol | Oct 22 18:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm checking backups (nigthly dump) integrity ATM | Oct 22 18:08 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines has two DBs, techrights 3, mariadb/mysql | Oct 22 18:11 |
| kaniini | oh my fucking god that was a pain | Oct 22 18:12 |
| kaniini | i had to remember how to set the date with the date command | Oct 22 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Ah, that has the syntax thing I last looked up like a decade back | Oct 22 18:13 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553335.jpg | Oct 22 18:13 |
| schestowitz | and it was a pain IIRC, not ncurses or dialogue-based, rather some command line arguments fed in | Oct 22 18:13 |
| kaniini | hmm | Oct 22 18:14 |
| kaniini | i'm debating raid1 with hot spare | Oct 22 18:14 |
| kaniini | or raid5 | Oct 22 18:14 |
| kaniini | raid1 is simpler | Oct 22 18:14 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Servers and Databases: PASE Versus ILE, Cassandra and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116697 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c92dc8bb-35bc-45c6-92a4-13d7f345f6aa] | Oct 22 18:15 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116698 [https://pleroma.site/objects/db7666c6-d1fe-4f23-8928-0a21cabe98b7] | Oct 22 18:17 | |
| schestowitz | longterm safety | Oct 22 18:18 |
| kaniini | raid1 is the way to go i think | Oct 22 18:18 |
| schestowitz | data loss very risky to us, unlike some applications where it can be reuploaded or reconstructed (like etl workloads) | Oct 22 18:19 |
| schestowitz | data loss would mean memory loss, we archive lots of stuff whose original source/sites/pages is long gone | Oct 22 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Esp. Novell and Microsoft leaks that remind people what they did | Oct 22 18:20 |
| kaniini | https://s3.wasabisys.com/pleroma-site/0129f302-0359-4507-81ea-c8e4bcf75bcb/image.png | Oct 22 18:22 |
| kaniini | here's what the raid looks like | Oct 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz | very good :-) | Oct 22 18:24 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116699 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7a482ab3-64cf-4626-8d0f-ae45aedd4e21] | Oct 22 18:26 | |
| kaniini | ok rebooting this box | Oct 22 18:29 |
| kaniini | hopefully should come up in an alpine that i can put xen on | Oct 22 18:29 |
| schestowitz | did alpine press on with WSL after the OIN thing? | Oct 22 18:29 |
| schestowitz | (imho, the patent angle isn't the main issue wrt WSL but the topological aspect, like Novell/Microsoft with hyper-C as the hypervisor/master always, SUSE a "slave") | Oct 22 18:30 |
| schestowitz | *Hyper-V | Oct 22 18:30 |
| kaniini | hyper-v is just microsoft's version of xen | Oct 22 18:31 |
| schestowitz | yeah, and is their virtualbox 'clone' or ripoff still going? | Oct 22 18:33 |
| schestowitz | have not heard a word about it for years | Oct 22 18:33 |
| schestowitz | (reckoned they killed it covertly and silently as they always do with abandoned/failed products) | Oct 22 18:33 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Virtual_PC | Oct 22 18:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Windows Virtual PC - Wikipedia | Oct 22 18:34 | |
| schestowitz | probably spammer to death by the PR agencies of Microsoft like all Wikileaks articles about them | Oct 22 18:34 |
| kaniini | alpine core is still deciding how to approach the issue. there's a GR about whether or not to allow them to use alpine branding for their initiatives | Oct 22 18:34 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Oct 22 18:34 |
| schestowitz | "6.1.7600.16393 / February 14, 2011; 7 years ago" | Oct 22 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Last stable release! | Oct 22 18:35 |
| kaniini | virtual pc is so crap | Oct 22 18:35 |
| kaniini | it was originally a software which emulated x86 on macs | Oct 22 18:35 |
| kaniini | then microsoft bought it | Oct 22 18:35 |
| kaniini | for whatever reason | Oct 22 18:35 |
| schestowitz | so it lived only 1.5 years all in all!!! | Oct 22 18:35 |
| kaniini | naw | Oct 22 18:35 |
| kaniini | they used virtual pc at my uni in 2004 | Oct 22 18:35 |
| schestowitz | But hey, who needs VMs | Oct 22 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Now you have a GNU snadbox called after "W" | Oct 22 18:36 |
| kaniini | because they were too cheap for vmware | Oct 22 18:36 |
| schestowitz | And WLinux :-) | Oct 22 18:36 |
| schestowitz | so much better... for Microsoft | Oct 22 18:36 |
| schestowitz | No need to mess about with all that 'secure boot' complications they set up for us | Oct 22 18:37 |
| kaniini | well | Oct 22 18:37 |
| kaniini | secure boot can be good | Oct 22 18:37 |
| kaniini | if you control the keys | Oct 22 18:37 |
| schestowitz | or https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2364091 | Oct 22 18:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuforums.org | Windows 10 Update broke Grub | Oct 22 18:37 | |
| kaniini | in the microsoft scheme | Oct 22 18:37 |
| kaniini | it's stupid | Oct 22 18:37 |
| kaniini | because an attacker | Oct 22 18:37 |
| kaniini | can just go pay $99 | Oct 22 18:37 |
| kaniini | and have his malware signed | Oct 22 18:37 |
| kaniini | because it's fully automatic | Oct 22 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Lots like this https://www.legendiary.at/2016/01/04/windows-10-update-changes-partition-table-and-breaks-grub/ | Oct 22 18:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.legendiary.at | Windows 10 update changes partition table and breaks GRUB | Legendiary | Oct 22 18:37 | |
| schestowitz | So stick with WSL, it's all you need. Love, Microsoft.... | Oct 22 18:37 |
| schestowitz | things can get funny if/when there's war | Oct 22 18:38 |
| schestowitz | and the US can use Microsoft to brick PCs at a low-level place like BIOS | Oct 22 18:39 |
| schestowitz | I think that's why germany banned UEFI | Oct 22 18:39 |
| schestowitz | (for gov) | Oct 22 18:39 |
| kaniini | https://s3.wasabisys.com/pleroma-site/c5df4f5a-a448-4a3a-8961-7498dbb96ed4/image.png | Oct 22 18:40 |
| kaniini | now to install xen | Oct 22 18:40 |
| schestowitz | would be soooo proud to say the sites run alpine as it was always centos before | Oct 22 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Alpine is more "pure" | Oct 22 18:41 |
| kaniini | no systemd there :) | Oct 22 18:41 |
| kaniini | hell, no glibc either | Oct 22 18:42 |
| kaniini | that's largely because alpine was started in the era of ulrich drepper though | Oct 22 18:42 |
| schestowitz | well, the VMs are centos with systemd, assuming we reuse those, but I got used to the weirdnesses of systemd... like having to restart apached when it fills up /tmp with garbage | Oct 22 18:43 |
| kaniini | i figure | Oct 22 18:43 |
| schestowitz | no GUI | Oct 22 18:43 |
| kaniini | we move the VMs there are now | Oct 22 18:43 |
| kaniini | and then we can clean those up later | Oct 22 18:43 |
| schestowitz | are now or right now? | Oct 22 18:44 |
| kaniini | erf | Oct 22 18:44 |
| kaniini | the VMs which are there right now | Oct 22 18:44 |
| schestowitz | you want to scp them over? | Oct 22 18:44 |
| kaniini | what i think we'll do | Oct 22 18:44 |
| kaniini | is rsync them | Oct 22 18:44 |
| kaniini | maybe | Oct 22 18:44 |
| kaniini | idk | Oct 22 18:44 |
| kaniini | fuck | Oct 22 18:45 |
| kaniini | i keep missing the option to set the default to xen | Oct 22 18:45 |
| schestowitz | I can still edit the sites and then import the newer DB dumps if the transfer take a long time | Oct 22 18:45 |
| kaniini | shouldnt take too long | Oct 22 18:45 |
| kaniini | few minutes | Oct 22 18:45 |
| schestowitz | it's in San Diego | Oct 22 18:45 |
| kaniini | ok | Oct 22 18:46 |
| kaniini | now it boots into xen i think | Oct 22 18:46 |
| kaniini | i forgot to install the hypervisor itself | Oct 22 18:46 |
| kaniini | https://s3.wasabisys.com/pleroma-site/2ac99aed-cc34-4391-a811-b7754d684f9d/image.png | Oct 22 18:47 |
| kaniini | there we go | Oct 22 18:47 |
| schestowitz | aha | Oct 22 18:48 |
| schestowitz | how many vCPUs on the host? | Oct 22 18:48 |
| kaniini | 8 | Oct 22 18:52 |
| kaniini | just going to do 8 across all vms | Oct 22 18:52 |
| kaniini | xen can schedule pretty decently these days | Oct 22 18:52 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The @LinuxFoundation News and Interviews http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116700 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ac589fb0-f6c2-4dcc-9381-27f5b13e5d41] | Oct 22 18:54 | |
| schestowitz | 8 should be fine, I think we just need to find the caching and the balance | Oct 22 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Front page of reddit can be a challenge if there's no caching, but the current VMs are already set up for some caching | Oct 22 19:03 |
| kaniini | the hypervisor is only using 149mb of ram | Oct 22 19:03 |
| kaniini | localhost:/home/kaniini# free -m | Oct 22 19:03 |
| kaniini | total used free shared buffers cached | Oct 22 19:03 |
| kaniini | Mem: 3375 149 3226 0 2 33 | Oct 22 19:03 |
| kaniini | that's why i use alpine for everything | Oct 22 19:03 |
| kaniini | no systemd or other bloat clogging everything up | Oct 22 19:04 |
| schestowitz | I got rid of Thunderbird 2 days ago, for most things | Oct 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla breaks the extension I long relied on | Oct 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | So now I'm OK with RAM on the desktop, for the first time in a decade (got just 2gb of RAM) | Oct 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: I want to share some notes, offhand | Oct 22 19:06 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines is light CPU- and RAM-wise | Oct 22 19:06 |
| schestowitz | techrights pulled, dynamically unless cached, cites posts and also post that link to existing pages | Oct 22 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Those are the things that put strain on the DB but are essential for those who study old items, like 10,000 articles about Microsoft and GNU/Linux, so i think tuxmachines doesn't need many CPUs, it used to be OK with 2 unless there was a DDOS attacks (haven't had those in years) | Oct 22 19:07 |
| schestowitz | (sorry for lots of typos above, I see them now) | Oct 22 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | in retrospect, I think we added varnish in 2009 when there were major DDOS attacks | Oct 22 19:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.pcworld.com/article/165179/boycott_novell_site_suffers_ddos_attack.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiEqbKb05reAhVLLMAKHaUwB2MQFggWMAA&usg=AOvVaw3EzE5l-_v6b-BamSU6evhe | Oct 22 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Boycott Novell' Site Suffers DDoS Attack | PCWorld | Oct 22 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.pcworld.com/article/165179/boycott_novell_site_suffers_ddos_attack.html | Oct 22 19:13 |
| schestowitz | stupid Google used by accident, they use trackers for clicks, startpage did not find the article | Oct 22 19:13 |
| kaniini | i figure techrights is the one that is likely to get a ddos | Oct 22 19:16 |
| kaniini | some butthurt patent troll might fire up a booting service or whatever | Oct 22 19:17 |
| kaniini | at any rate if that were to happen, we have ways to deal with it ;) | Oct 22 19:17 |
| kaniini | just put a load balancer in front and configure it to drop the ddos traffic ;) | Oct 22 19:18 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Openwashing and Microsoft FUD Against FOSS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116701 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5b9eadca-108a-41dd-b465-896fbbbce3c1] | Oct 22 19:19 | |
| schestowitz | usually they SLAPP me | Oct 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | even letter to my door | Oct 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | some months ago | Oct 22 19:20 |
| schestowitz | the EPO has not SLAPPed for in a while... they tried a few times | Oct 22 19:21 |
| schestowitz | last christmas a troll worth about $100m send me this: http://techrights.org/2018/01/01/letters-from-patent-trolls/ | Oct 22 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Patent Troll’s Defense: I Have More Money Than You | Techrights | Oct 22 19:22 | |
| schestowitz | *sent | Oct 22 19:22 |
| schestowitz | but I worry more about the death threats from nazis, got as many as a dozen death wishes+threats in one day recently | Oct 22 19:23 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latest Lime SDR board builds on Raspberry Pi CM3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116695 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3ffafd3e-b696-4a58-ab40-7dd3d61beeed] | Oct 22 20:16 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #I3C Subsystem Appears Ready For Possible Inclusion Into Linux 4.20~5.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116702 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1dcba450-90db-483f-a672-e6eb84a26d29] | Oct 22 20:21 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553305.jpg | Oct 22 20:35 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man aindilis amarsh04 vallor | Oct 22 20:35 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/WVIPwWn.jpg | Oct 22 20:40 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/IuivSUe.gifv | Oct 22 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Oct 22 20:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: WebAssembly, WebExtensions, Firefox Starts Testing 3rd-Party VPN Service http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116703 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a95f0d62-1c6a-49f6-a7b6-03e4e26d5ee4] | Oct 22 21:00 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: AMD and Vulkan http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116704 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4ef214af-d479-4de1-ae48-634425239e86] | Oct 22 21:46 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Btrfs To Ship Multiple Performance Improvements In The Next Linux Kernel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116705 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2ff35d12-8900-4eba-8b31-66af16df338f] | Oct 22 21:49 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553174.jpg | Oct 22 22:55 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Variables in BASH - Learn BASH | Part 2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116706 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c2453aeb-10bb-437c-934d-16011dace755] | Oct 22 23:04 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553134.png | Oct 22 23:07 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553107.jpg | Oct 22 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: heh | Oct 22 23:31 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/jcq4gSM | Oct 22 23:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lock rider - Album on Imgur | Oct 22 23:59 | |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/9ue2BUR.gifv | Oct 23 00:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Enjoying the tickles | Oct 23 00:29 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/552935.jpg | Oct 23 00:53 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: He didn't say that the sith only deal in absolutes %) | Oct 23 01:01 |
| MinceR | he did say that nobody else deals in absolutes, though | Oct 23 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: indeed | Oct 23 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But then it's not a generalisation | Oct 23 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | narrowisation? :) | Oct 23 01:04 |
| MinceR | still a generalization | Oct 23 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | he reduced the group of people who deal in absolutes from everyone to just sith | Oct 23 01:05 |
| MinceR | i see | Oct 23 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | could be exceptionalism | Oct 23 01:06 |
| MinceR | as long as it's not american... | Oct 23 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | Jedi exceptionalism :) | Oct 23 01:07 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 23 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | But of course Obi Wan dealt in absolutes by saying that if you deal in absolutes then you must be a sith | Oct 23 01:16 |
| cubexyz | you know, I can't recall any Star Wars character called Revan in the films | Oct 23 01:17 |
| MinceR | that's because he was not in the films | Oct 23 01:17 |
| MinceR | it's a generalization in that everyone who deals in absolutes is a sith | Oct 23 01:18 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/552972.jpg | Oct 23 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yeah, I suppose that's true :) | Oct 23 01:19 |
| cubexyz | oh dear :) | Oct 23 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What that even is? | Oct 23 01:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Interesting how that can be a generalisation and an opposite of that simply by shifting the point of view | Oct 23 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | Every Internet social politics debate in a nutshell, I suppose | Oct 23 01:22 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 23 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | There's been a college shooting a few days ago in Kerch, Crimea. A pretty shady deal. | Oct 23 01:25 |
| MinceR | they just wanted to be more like 'murukah | Oct 23 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | The authorities now push for more internet censorship | Oct 23 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | I suspect they've been waiting for something to happen to serve as a justification for their efforts | Oct 23 01:27 |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2018/10/19/how-were-we-supposed-to-know-what-was-in-his-head | Oct 23 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Oct 23 01:32 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: The official media likes to compare it to Columbine | Oct 23 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | Navalny has replied to the duel challenge of Zolotov after he got out of arrest | Oct 23 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | So the Russian Guard says he is heartless to do that at the time of the tragedy | Oct 23 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | Zolotov doesn't believe in coincidences or the laws of time I see. | Oct 23 01:39 |
| MinceR | the russian guard seems to suck at biology | Oct 23 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's not a direct quote | Oct 23 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | https://russian.rt.com/russia/news/565333-rosgvardiya-navalnyi-zolotov/amp found it | Oct 23 01:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-russian.rt.com | В Росгвардии прокомментировали обращение Навального к Золотову | Oct 23 01:45 | |
| XRevan86 | They said it's hype on bones | Oct 23 01:45 |
| MinceR | well, if it's RT, then we don't really know what they really said | Oct 23 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You can trust RT to relay the message from the state | Oct 23 01:46 |
| MinceR | i can trust RT with nothing | Oct 23 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | I can respect that | Oct 23 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | But I don't think they'd lie about what the Russian Guard guy said | Oct 23 01:50 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Oct 23 01:51 |
| MinceR | remember, RT's goal is not to make you believe RT is the only source you can trust | Oct 23 01:51 |
| MinceR | their goal is to make you believe there's no source you can trust | Oct 23 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If anything, this article I linked from them is presenting this message as a good one | Oct 23 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | So in some way it is a lie | Oct 23 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | in how they present it and how one-sided it is | Oct 23 01:53 |
| tessier | kaniini: We can copy the disk images. But transferring such huge images over the Internet will be difficult. We could physically ship them but then you would have to update the database. Do a mysql dump/reload. That wouldn't be too bad really as I don't think it is that much data to copy in comparison. | Oct 23 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I can find another source, but it'll probably be even worse than RT if that is possible | Oct 23 01:56 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 23 01:56 |
| MinceR | it's not important | Oct 23 01:56 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/552916.jpg | Oct 23 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, and the whole duel thing is very lucrative | Oct 23 01:57 |
| tessier | It's a 90G disk image but I bet it would compress well as I think most of that is unallocated. Only around 20G of data. | Oct 23 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | Some even accuse Navalny for even bothering | Oct 23 01:58 |
| tessier | We have 100Mb/s but we have to be very careful not to have any overage. | Oct 23 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | If I'll find a version of the original challenge from Zolotov with English subtitles, I'll link it. It's worth seeing | Oct 23 01:59 |
| tessier | kaniini: If you and Roy would like to give that a try I'm game. Can you set me up a place to scp the image to? | Oct 23 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Do you know what a bydlo is? | Oct 23 01:59 |
| MinceR | yes | Oct 23 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: good :) | Oct 23 02:00 |
| kaniini | tessier yes | Oct 23 02:01 |
| kaniini | tessier do you have an ssh key i can use? | Oct 23 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | I think I forgot to mention that Zolotov is the director of the Russian Guard | Oct 23 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | for context | Oct 23 02:02 |
| cubexyz | the lowest layer of society? | Oct 23 02:05 |
| cubexyz | and for some reason Modest Mussorgsky pops up | Oct 23 02:05 |
| tessier | ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQDnWphmUFezL4Zu4kekixo8Mu8qOAQRRraVQhOkJTHmCLudKG08A8lNHhOTGNzB/8+hJp7ypfKQrgHqnLPxKLXH4tu1G5o7PiSeOBTQYSgXa0hoOYY7UDxtkGl18OKUlBnNYyQnTEZgADJUHbUnEYtaU4WfV6LDnsBhnsvwU9nOz36qHyzuzfi3H1yfXE1mgGLJjH1SZ7iQoemkfghtm40YPkn/jPYuIccUvSEigX5bl5NsxqItV4JEwCa7mR3dlmSXaytajvuSc/jBxjqcOvXTQeclLL+sXW+FOOf/pk5JNlVy0M/+sq4AYf6roMONfUT30bKV3o9n4YtRyM4JGsdF treed@gw.copilotco.com | Oct 23 02:06 |
| tessier | kaniini: There's my key | Oct 23 02:06 |
| tessier | I'm off to lunch but when I get back if the snap is done let me know user@host and I'll start an scp | Oct 23 02:06 |
| kaniini | cool | Oct 23 02:06 |
| kaniini | i think what we can do | Oct 23 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: In the modern slang it means an annoyingly uneducated person | Oct 23 02:06 |
| kaniini | is use that to preseed the image | Oct 23 02:06 |
| kaniini | and then rsync it | Oct 23 02:06 |
| kaniini | from there | Oct 23 02:06 |
| kaniini | and database | Oct 23 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Like a stereotypical redneck | Oct 23 02:07 |
| kaniini | tessier: treed@199.19.78.18 | Oct 23 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/lZd1yUZD30g he-he, so many dislikes | Oct 23 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ОБРАЩЕНИЕ ДИРЕКТОРА РОСГВАРДИИ - YouTube | Oct 23 02:09 | |
| XRevan86 | The true challenge is to find in this *response* any factual denial of the allegations Navalny made :) | Oct 23 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | Allegations: https://youtu.be/0R71sw7h428 | Oct 23 02:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Кто из них объедает Росгвардию? - YouTube | Oct 23 02:13 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: So it doesn't have to literally be the lowest layer of society, it could be, for instance, president of the United States. | Oct 23 02:17 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/552873.jpg | Oct 23 02:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What a horrible pun %) | Oct 23 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | It must be Halloween | Oct 23 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | 'cause… horror, horrible | Oct 23 02:21 |
| MinceR | yet it's always time for horrible puns | Oct 23 02:21 |
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| cubexyz | I was listening to Rimsky-Korsakov's "Night on Bald Mountain" | Oct 23 02:22 |
| cubexyz | thinking about Trump is just disharmious | Oct 23 02:23 |
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| cubexyz | disharmonious rather | Oct 23 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Sorry for ruining your music moment with a mention of Trump | Oct 23 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: or is it a ballet? | Oct 23 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | > and for some reason Modest Mussorgsky pops up | Oct 23 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's the reason? | Oct 23 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It can happen at any moment, indeed. | Oct 23 02:31 |
| cubexyz | uh, I'm not sure... some call it a "Tone Poem" | Oct 23 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | > the work obtained perhaps its greatest exposure through the Walt Disneyanimated film Fantasia (1940), featuring an arrangement by Leopold Stokowski, based on Rimsky-Korsakov's version. | Oct 23 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | Huh | Oct 23 02:33 |
| cubexyz | right | Oct 23 02:34 |
| cubexyz | RImsky-Korsakov's version is the most well known | Oct 23 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder what is the difference | Oct 23 02:34 |
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| XRevan86 | Good night, I should go to sleep already :) | Oct 23 02:37 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, i'll listen to both and see :) | Oct 23 02:38 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/553132.jpg | Oct 23 02:39 |
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| tessier | kaniini: Ok, it's 11G compressed. | Oct 23 03:29 |
| kaniini | hopefully it transfers quickly | Oct 23 04:36 |
| kaniini | 100mbit is pretty brutal ;p | Oct 23 04:36 |
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| tessier | kaniini: The first transfer has begun. Should be finished in about 20 min | Oct 23 07:48 |
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| tessier | kaniini: Transfer finished. But it gave an error about disk full. Is the disk full on your side? | Oct 23 08:40 |
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| tessier | That's how big it should be if it finished. | Oct 23 08:41 |
| tessier | I'm copying techrights from the internal SAN to a DMZ machine so I can copy it out to you. | Oct 23 08:41 |
| tessier | It will be on its way soon. | Oct 23 08:41 |
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| tessier | kaniini: I forgot to put a .gz extension on techrights.org@techrights.org.snap.20181022234254 but it's gzipped | Oct 23 12:02 |
| tessier | I forgot to rename it to just techrights.org.snap.20181022234254 too. | Oct 23 12:03 |
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| tessier | kaniini: techrights transfer is finished | Oct 23 13:33 |
| tessier | You've got it all | Oct 23 13:33 |
| tessier | Verify file sizes though | Oct 23 13:33 |
| tessier | -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 39198807061 Oct 23 04:42 techrights.org@techrights.org.snap.20181022234254 | Oct 23 13:33 |
| tessier | -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 11286890825 Oct 22 19:18 tuxmachines.org.snap.20181022180129.img.gz | Oct 23 13:34 |
| tessier | That's what I've got on my end | Oct 23 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: excellent! Thanks so much! | Oct 23 13:54 |
| schestowitz | tessier: later we can pass the databases again if all goes OK, I won't upload any files to either of the servers/VMs | Oct 23 13:55 |
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| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man aindilis amarsh04 razielle_tzu | Oct 23 14:34 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/552643.jpg | Oct 23 14:37 |
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| MinceR | http://www.shorpy.com/node/387?size=_original | Oct 23 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shorpy Historic Picture Archive :: Carina Nebula: 5500 BC high-resolution photo | Oct 23 14:46 | |
| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2038/ | Oct 23 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Hazard Symbol | Oct 23 14:56 | |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqCayR9U0AAeQ5M.jpg:large | Oct 23 15:16 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/552651.jpg | Oct 23 15:39 |
| XRevan86 | Is that just another brick? | Oct 23 15:39 |
| XRevan86 | in the wall | Oct 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 23 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | I take it Trump is the Worm in this equation :) | Oct 23 15:43 |
| cubexyz | people can just cross the desert or mountain range... | Oct 23 15:45 |
| cubexyz | so 18 billion for what? | Oct 23 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | https://i.postimg.cc/TfhWd1fn/image.png | Oct 23 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | he's everywhere | Oct 23 15:48 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/552434.gif | Oct 23 16:01 |
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| kaniini | ok | Oct 23 18:16 |
| kaniini | looks like the files are the same | Oct 23 18:16 |
| kaniini | wait | Oct 23 18:17 |
| kaniini | shit | Oct 23 18:17 |
| kaniini | tessier i'll need you to reupload | Oct 23 18:17 |
| kaniini | i forgot to mount an FS on your homedir | Oct 23 18:18 |
| kaniini | please put them in the images subdir | Oct 23 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: tessier I stopped uploading new files/images yesterday, so all changes since then are in the DBs | Oct 23 19:07 |
| kaniini | ok | Oct 23 19:07 |
| kaniini | once he reuploads i'll get the vms up | Oct 23 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: thanks a bundle! | Oct 23 19:23 |
| schestowitz | That would at least preserve much of the stuff and working of the two sites, sans networking (which I guess is a fiddle at the HV level) | Oct 23 19:23 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/AmpJ2Ql | Oct 23 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-D&D - Album on Imgur | Oct 23 21:16 | |
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| tessier | kaniini: The images dir is owned by root. I don't have write perms there. | Oct 24 01:22 |
| tessier | Uploading again to the homedir....hope there's space there. Then you can move them to the images dir if you want. | Oct 24 01:23 |
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| kaniini | tessier i fixed the permissions. the hypervisor only has 6gb disk | Oct 24 04:14 |
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| tessier | kaniini: Yeah, ran out of space. Ok, starting over uploading to images/ | Oct 24 06:57 |
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| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/attmvq98nzt11.jpg | Oct 24 16:39 |
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| MinceR | https://media.giphy.com/media/3oriO1DYayTmisPac8/giphy.gif | Oct 24 17:32 |
| cubexyz | for about $100 you can get your motherboard recapped: | Oct 24 17:42 |
| cubexyz | https://www.badcaps.net/index.php?s=4ac9bb6687a3edebf3ff034cdb013b51&pageid=repair_costs | Oct 24 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Badcaps.net Forums - Repair Costs | Oct 24 17:42 | |
| cubexyz | I'll probably get one of the P3's recapped | Oct 24 17:42 |
| cubexyz | it's old enough to have 1 ISA slot and I'd rather keep it working | Oct 24 17:42 |
| schestowitz | I think my laptop will turn 10 ok | Oct 24 17:56 |
| schestowitz | not with many working things except the mobo | Oct 24 17:56 |
| schestowitz | unlike my desktop, whose mobo is f'd | Oct 24 17:56 |
| cubexyz | 10 years is a good start :) | Oct 24 18:09 |
| kaniini | tessier: looks like i've got them | Oct 24 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: :) | Oct 24 18:53 |
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| XRevan86 | > Due to the persistent ongoing spam, all new connections are being set +R (block messages from unidentified users) and will be scanned for vulnerabilities. | Oct 24 19:52 |
| cubexyz | maybe have the bot voice regular users? | Oct 24 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | > https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html | Oct 24 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: sqlite.org; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html ) | Oct 24 20:08 | |
| XRevan86 | Checkmate, atheists | Oct 24 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | Is it serious? | Oct 24 20:09 |
| cubexyz | I'm guessing someone is being satirical | Oct 24 20:12 |
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| XRevan86 | ( https://youtu.be/P47OC439x88 the reference) | Oct 24 20:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Checkmate, Atheists! - YouTube | Oct 24 20:15 | |
| cubexyz | come on... :) | Oct 24 20:20 |
| cubexyz | clearly satire | Oct 24 20:20 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: The video is, the Code of Ethics probably isn't %) | Oct 24 20:22 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: https://pleroma.site/notice/7042828 | Oct 24 20:30 |
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| XRevan86 | > The founder, who describes himself [https://twitter.com/DRichardHipp/] as a Christian decided that a more unusual approach would be taken with this CoC and decided to incorporate The Rule of St. Benedict, precepts written for monks around the 5th century. | Oct 24 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | D. Richard Hipp (@DRichardHipp) on Twitter | Oct 24 20:36 | |
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| MinceR | 24 210943 < XRevan86> Is it serious? | Oct 24 20:46 |
| MinceR | apparently so | Oct 24 20:46 |
| MinceR | but what the hell, if i want to change SQLite, i'll just fork it | Oct 24 20:46 |
| MinceR | and call it SQLibre | Oct 24 20:47 |
| MinceR | in the world of crybullies and neofascists, the solution to all injustices is to switch it to the opposite | Oct 24 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | I just found it very weird and ludicrious. | Oct 24 20:49 |
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| MinceR | Hydra Island, Greece. A fishing boat returning to port receives a royal welcome by the locals. >> https://i.imgur.com/pa0UzbS.jpg | Oct 24 23:01 |
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| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: ping | Oct 24 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Apple | Oct 24 23:42 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: oracle | Oct 24 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: SCO | Oct 24 23:44 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: suse | Oct 24 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Ubuntu | Oct 24 23:45 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: red hat | Oct 24 23:45 |
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| cubexyz | samsung and apple fined for slowing down smartphones (planned obsolescence) | Oct 25 00:54 |
| cubexyz | https://apple.slashdot.org/story/18/10/24/1944252/in-first-ruling-of-its-kind-apple-and-samsung-fined-for-deliberately-slowing-down-old-phones | Oct 25 00:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apple.slashdot.org | In First Ruling of Its Kind, Apple and Samsung Fined For Deliberately Slowing Down Old Phones - Slashdot | Oct 25 00:57 | |
| gde33 | fined 3 euro each | Oct 25 00:59 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: not sure if that is good or bad. | Oct 25 01:33 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: could be excuse to push back doing security updates. | Oct 25 01:34 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I would have been a lot happier to see a fine over not deploying updates for security in a timely fashion. | Oct 25 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | [00:57] <cubexyz> https://apple.slashdot.org/story/18/10/24/1944252/in-first-ruling-of-its-kind-apple-and-samsung-fined-for-deliberately-slowing-down-old-phones | Oct 25 02:23 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know the Koreans did this too | Oct 25 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Says a lot! | Oct 25 02:23 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat and Fedora: GCC, Asia Pacific Banks, NVIDIA 'AI' Boxes, COPR and Thunderbolt http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116800 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f34a4caf-ef22-4771-b33b-8102894b50f8] | Oct 25 04:58 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: 2018 X.Org Developers Conference, Radeon Software 18.40 Released, Mesa3D http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116803 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5d06a8f7-cd1f-4b61-9a39-bfdc9fce875e] | Oct 25 05:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Openwashing Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116804 [https://pleroma.site/objects/08e3121c-5b74-467b-9066-4f7113c05c23] | Oct 25 05:34 | |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: any eta for loading up the VMs? (no rush, just asking) | Oct 25 06:37 |
| kaniini | soon | Oct 25 06:37 |
| kaniini | taking care of some other things first | Oct 25 06:38 |
| MinceR | 25 032309 <+schestowitz> I didn't know the Koreans did this too | Oct 25 06:39 |
| MinceR | well, they had to keep up with crApple | Oct 25 06:39 |
| MinceR | i'm just waiting for one of them to make the first gallium-cased phone | Oct 25 06:39 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: sure, sounds good | Oct 25 06:40 |
| MinceR | maybe with glass shards embedded in it | Oct 25 06:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Apple makes it "OK" | Oct 25 06:40 |
| schestowitz | same for removing headphone standard ports and other crap | Oct 25 06:40 |
| schestowitz | Apple is also "brave" enough to slow down phones | Oct 25 06:41 |
| schestowitz | throttle slow rather | Oct 25 06:41 |
| schestowitz | as it's intentional and unnecessary, detrimental | Oct 25 06:41 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/GZhkbQJ | Oct 25 07:39 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/552324.jpg | Oct 25 07:56 |
| schestowitz | x https://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-the-deal-with-microsofts-open-source-friendly-patents/ | Oct 25 07:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What's the deal with Microsoft's open-source friendly patents? | ZDNet | Oct 25 07:58 | |
| schestowitz | # sjvn??? | Oct 25 07:58 |
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| MinceR | http://bash.org/?965350 | Oct 25 12:56 |
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| MinceR | https://p1.picsto.re/IkT0c.jpg | Oct 25 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | anyone got letter from http://www.ippropatents.com/ippropatentsnews/europenewsarticle.php?article_id=6153 or the monthly password (oct.)? | Oct 25 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IPPro Patents | EPO accused of upholding SUEPO email ban | ippropatents.com | Oct 25 15:00 | |
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| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/3yg7eo.png | Oct 25 16:05 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/552287.jpg | Oct 25 16:15 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18051417 | Oct 25 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 25 16:50 | |
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| MinceR | (audio) https://imgur.com/gallery/NwSMLGs | Oct 25 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yas!!!!!!!!!! - Album on Imgur | Oct 25 19:50 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18092027 | Oct 25 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 25 22:04 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/m0h61UB.jpg | Oct 25 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | > https://hugelolcdn.com/i/552263.jpg | Oct 25 22:52 |
| XRevan86 | Swiborg, again %) | Oct 25 22:52 |
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| cubexyz | https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/18/10/25/205251/feds-say-hacking-drm-to-fix | Oct 26 00:20 |
| cubexyz | -https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/18/10/25/205251/feds-say-hacking-drm-to-fix-your-electronics-is-legalyour-electronics-is-legal | Oct 26 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hardware.slashdot.org | Feds Say Hacking DRM To Fix Your Electronics Is Legal - Slashdot | Oct 26 00:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hardware.slashdot.org | Feds Say Hacking DRM To Fix Your Electronics Is Legal - Slashdot | Oct 26 00:20 | |
| cubexyz | oops, sorry | Oct 26 00:20 |
| cubexyz | not sure how that happened twice | Oct 26 00:21 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm_, xscanimage locks up my computer for about a minute | Oct 26 00:27 |
| cubexyz | no idea why | Oct 26 00:27 |
| cubexyz | can't even ping the computer when it's in "scanner prep" | Oct 26 00:27 |
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| oiaohm_ | cubexyz: new or old lInux kernels. Really old Linux kernels the scsi stack could take out the big kernel lock while waiting on a scsi answer. | Oct 26 03:33 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: basically the great fun why I stay away from really old Linux kernels and scsi. | Oct 26 03:34 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Proprietary Browsers (With Some Code): Vivaldi 2.1 and Chrome 71 Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116829 [https://pleroma.site/objects/67823e1d-c70f-4fb4-a2c7-db3b7ebdcac4] | Oct 26 03:46 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The @LinuxFoundation Cloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF) and Hyperledger Interview With Brian Behlendorf http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116833 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6bef4814-1079-4b03-b0c0-b3aa958adfe0] | Oct 26 04:52 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://pleroma.site/notice/7127361 | Oct 26 05:49 |
| XRevan86 | > Ukraine’s Opposition Bloc | Oct 26 05:49 |
| XRevan86 | > Party of Regions | Oct 26 05:50 |
| XRevan86 | Opposition, yeah %) | Oct 26 05:50 |
| XRevan86 | No way this is to pass | Oct 26 05:50 |
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| MinceR | https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/10/25/world/europe/ap-eu-austria-free-speech.html | Oct 26 13:53 |
| oiaohm | https://www.kraxel.org/blog/2018/10/qemu-vga-emulation-and-bochs-display/ Now this is nice and fun. | Oct 26 14:01 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/SGoW4Wl.gifv https://i.imgur.com/xTk1y4c.gifv https://imgur.com/t/cat/PZ88MUl | Oct 26 15:24 |
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| XRevan86 | > or felt it | Oct 26 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | Electroshockers are a myth | Oct 26 16:30 |
| MinceR | so is lightning | Oct 26 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | or just sparks | Oct 26 16:30 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: I cannot help but wonder if the person responsible is honestly that dumb | Oct 26 16:32 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Oct 26 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | or if that's one of those famous "lies for salvation" | Oct 26 16:33 |
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| XRevan86 | But we cannot say what electricity itself is like. We will however if you subscribe to Christian School Premium. | Oct 26 16:34 |
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| MinceR | http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3008 | Oct 27 00:00 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/w8KotAu.jpg | Oct 27 00:03 |
| MinceR | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/26/systemd_dhcpv6_rce/ | Oct 27 00:10 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18091830 | Oct 27 03:44 |
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| schestowitz | https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/413357-crowd-chants-fake-news-cnn-sucks-amid-trump-calls-for-unity | Oct 27 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Crowd chants 'fake news,' 'CNN sucks' amid Trump calls for unity | TheHill | Oct 27 11:12 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Microsoft Windows Causing Panic in Nuclear Energy Firms, Docker Needs Better Admins, and Let’s Encrypt Tale http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116878 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d1015968-dc2e-4843-ab77-54d704264c43] | Oct 27 16:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.newstatesman.com/world/middle-east/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi-s-murder-shows-west-can-no-longer-put-business-democracy | Oct 27 17:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newstatesman.com | Jamal Khashoggi’s murder shows the West can no longer put business before democracy | Oct 27 17:00 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 27 18:33 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/oYTGSr3.gifv | Oct 27 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Oct 27 18:35 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Just like https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/020/946/a40.gif but with Windows 10. | Oct 27 19:27 |
| MinceR | yeah | Oct 27 19:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: So a theory what happens when you put windows in charge of interdimension travel. If it was it would be quite deadly. | Oct 27 19:33 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 27 19:33 |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/059b5l.png | Oct 27 19:34 |
| oiaohm | Mind you people think it fine to put non updated windows in charge of reactors and oil operations. | Oct 27 19:34 |
| MinceR | yeah | Oct 27 19:35 |
| MinceR | or any windows at all | Oct 27 19:35 |
| MinceR | same with ATMs, and money in general | Oct 27 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | yea, put doors instead | Oct 27 19:37 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I still remember see a high grade security door with hedges on both sizes. Yep crawl under hedge and you were in. | Oct 27 19:48 |
| oiaohm | Security is only as strong as the weakest point. | Oct 27 19:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 27 23:06 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 27 23:11 | |
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