IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: November 25th, 2018 – December 1st, 2018

cubexyz	ok, Shakespeare was 1600s	Nov 25 00:00
XRevan86	English is very audibly ambiguous, which means it's easy to get off the rails of comprehension	Nov 25 00:00
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112333	Nov 25 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de \| IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object		Nov 25 00:01
cubexyz	I think you said that BBC presenters were the easiest to understand	Nov 25 00:01
XRevan86	cubexyz: Not necessarily, but they are comparatively easy to understand.	Nov 25 00:02
cubexyz	bubonic plague in 1609... might have ended Shakespeare's life	Nov 25 00:03
XRevan86	basically, enunciation and no sound dropping is key	Nov 25 00:03
cubexyz	his death is a bit of a mystery	Nov 25 00:03
XRevan86	cubexyz: his life is too	Nov 25 00:04
cubexyz	I think Shakespeares plays were modernized a bit regarding the spelling of words	Nov 25 00:06
cubexyz	it would be interesting to see a 16XX version	Nov 25 00:06
XRevan86	The 13th Doctor drops T's completely in many cases, making mergers like prom/prompt	Nov 25 00:06
XRevan86	makes me guess a lot	Nov 25 00:06
cubexyz	the newest one? I haven't seen any of those yet	Nov 25 00:07
XRevan86	cubexyz: yes	Nov 25 00:07
cubexyz	I don't like H dropping or R	Nov 25 00:08
XRevan86	R dropping I find the most acceptable	Nov 25 00:09
XRevan86	of all the droppings	Nov 25 00:09
cubexyz	"urricanes ardly hever appen"	Nov 25 00:09
cubexyz	H dropping and H insertion :-/	Nov 25 00:09
XRevan86	http://lib.pushkinskijdom.ru/Default.aspx?tabid=5103	Nov 25 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lib.pushkinskijdom.ru \| Электронная библиотека ИРЛИ РАН > Собрания текстов > Библиотека литературы Древней Руси > Том 9 > Сказание о князьях владимирских		Nov 25 00:10
XRevan86	XVI century	Nov 25 00:10
XRevan86	> Текст: Оригинал	Nov 25 00:10
XRevan86	I can still read it :3	Nov 25 00:10
cubexyz	16th century	Nov 25 00:10
cubexyz	with all your historical knowledge it's a pity you don't like ancient C language more :)	Nov 25 00:11
XRevan86	but it's for sure heavily dated	Nov 25 00:11
XRevan86	cubexyz: I don't have exceptional historical knowledge though	Nov 25 00:12
XRevan86	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_1720%2C_%E2%84%96_27_%2814_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%8F%29.pdf	Nov 25 00:13
XRevan86	1720	Nov 25 00:13
XRevan86	and this I can read easily	Nov 25 00:14
cubexyz	1720	Nov 25 00:15
XRevan86	> Ведомости; Сего мая 2 дня, Его Царское Величество высокою особою своею изволил быть в апартаментах коллегии инностранных дел, где допущен к Его Величеству на приватную аудиенцию, прибившей от…	Nov 25 00:16
XRevan86	* прибывшей	Nov 25 00:16
XRevan86	^ same text with orthography updates	Nov 25 00:17
XRevan86	works as modern Russian with poshness	Nov 25 00:17
XRevan86	> санктЪпiтербурхъ.	Nov 25 00:19
XRevan86	I only now noticed this	Nov 25 00:19
MinceR	:)	Nov 25 00:19
cubexyz	evidently the printing press lead to the decreasing of language variability	Nov 25 00:20
XRevan86	Питербурх (Piterburkh) → Петербург (Peterburg)	Nov 25 00:20
XRevan86	cubexyz: In this case the bigger factor is the shift of Russian literature from trying to look like Old Church Slavonic to using the more then contemporary language.	Nov 25 00:22
XRevan86	albeit the printing press did set up a style	Nov 25 00:22
XRevan86	I don't actually know but I suspect that it looked posh even four centuries ago :)	Nov 25 00:23
cubexyz	modern speech seems to be degenerating	Nov 25 00:24
cubexyz	even within my lifetime	Nov 25 00:24
cubexyz	not so much with writing but with speech	Nov 25 00:25
XRevan86	cubexyz: I didn't notice that	Nov 25 00:28
XRevan86	cubexyz: Could be that openness of the modern world has only revealed what was hidden before.	Nov 25 00:28
XRevan86	cubexyz: For instance, in the 80s you could'n've heard someone like me talk in English :)	Nov 25 00:29
cubexyz	a double contraction	Nov 25 00:31
cubexyz	I don't think I've seen that before	Nov 25 00:31
cubexyz	:)	Nov 25 00:31
XRevan86	cubexyz: Very common amongst languages of the world	Nov 25 00:31
XRevan86	including Russian	Nov 25 00:31
XRevan86	English doesn't exist in isolation, so inevitably stuff like that gets in.	Nov 25 00:33
XRevan86	Никто (No one) ничего (nothing) не сделал (did not).	Nov 25 00:34
XRevan86	→ No one did a thing.	Nov 25 00:34
cubexyz	ok, there's a wikipedia page for english double contractions	Nov 25 00:34
XRevan86	ah, oops, I read it as "double contradiction" %)	Nov 25 00:35
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cubexyz	yes, there's even triple ones	Nov 25 00:36
XRevan86	I should probably stop using those	Nov 25 00:36
XRevan86	because apparently I do not spell them correctly :D	Nov 25 00:36
XRevan86	* couldn't've	Nov 25 00:37
cubexyz	as an example of degenerate english I present: cuz for because	Nov 25 00:37
XRevan86	cubexyz: C'mon, dats just leetspeak	Nov 25 00:38
cubexyz	I've even heard russian english speakers use it	Nov 25 00:38
XRevan86	probably as an imitation	Nov 25 00:39
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashchenism oh wow, a whole article	Nov 25 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Kashchenism - Wikipedia		Nov 25 00:40
XRevan86	from the fidonet times, yet it is still very much a thing	Nov 25 00:41
XRevan86	Terms like ФГМ (FGM, can be translated as Cerebral Phimosis) are a part of the modern Russian Internet jargon %)	Nov 25 00:43
XRevan86	and especially its variation ПГМ (PGM, Cerebral Orthodoxy)	Nov 25 00:43
XRevan86	(only in the religious sense)	Nov 25 00:45
XRevan86	I think I went off track. Informal language is everywhere, even non-native speakers will attempt to use it.	Nov 25 00:50
XRevan86	as a way to show one's own mindset on things, for instance	Nov 25 00:50
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_does_one_patch_KDE2_under_FreeBSD%3F	Nov 25 00:52
XRevan86	ah, yes, the famous https://bash.im/quote/42	Nov 25 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| How does one patch KDE2 under FreeBSD? - Wikipedia		Nov 25 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bash.im \| ??? #42 ? ???? ???		Nov 25 00:52
cubexyz	bizarre	Nov 25 00:53
XRevan86	cubexyz: Because #42? :)	Nov 25 00:54
XRevan86	There you go, the Ultimate Question	Nov 25 00:54
cubexyz	KDE2 was ummm... 2000 to 2001	Nov 25 00:56
XRevan86	and the question is from 2004, yes :)	Nov 25 00:56
cubexyz	it would have been a bit odd to use KDE2 in 2004	Nov 25 00:57
XRevan86	maybe KDE 3.0 != KDE3	Nov 25 00:58
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112312	Nov 25 00:58
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XRevan86	some people still use KDE 4 to this day	Nov 25 00:58
MinceR	the poor sods	Nov 25 00:58
XRevan86	https://linux.org.ru/gallery/screenshots/14424668 A screenshot from 2018-08-25	Nov 25 01:00
XRevan86	they exist %)	Nov 25 01:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru \| PisiLinux 1.2 и актуальный софт — Скриншоты — Галерея		Nov 25 01:00
cubexyz	slackware had some version of KDE4	Nov 25 01:01
XRevan86	hideous, yes	Nov 25 01:01
XRevan86	So it's been 4 years since KDE Plasma 5.0 was released	Nov 25 01:02
MinceR	which is even worse	Nov 25 01:13
XRevan86	Interestingly, recently some Ukrainian words have entered Russian Internet slang, and some big YouTube channels like BadComedian and ANOIR, when use clips, use clips with the Ukrainian dubbing.	Nov 25 01:16
XRevan86	All the focus on Ukraine from the state propaganda has some unexpected consequences :)	Nov 25 01:17
XRevan86	Ukrainian definitely sounds funny and even vulgar to a Great Russian ear, but that's exactly what any slang longs for :P	Nov 25 01:20
MinceR	:)	Nov 25 01:21
MinceR	https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aKx220O_460svvp9.webm	Nov 25 01:43
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DaemonFC[m]	I don't really look forward to big number bumps in my desktop software.	Nov 25 02:52
DaemonFC[m]	It just means that shit is broken again and it'll take years to fix all the bugs.	Nov 25 02:53
DaemonFC[m]	I just use what's least broken for me.	Nov 25 02:56
DaemonFC[m]	I've been back and forth between desktops over the years, but GNOME definitely gets the most money and corporate sponsorships.	Nov 25 02:57
DaemonFC[m]	And unfortunately, that seems to be what it takes to get common use cases supported.	Nov 25 02:57
DaemonFC[m]	MinceR Some guy, maybe 16, asked me what a Zune is.	Nov 25 03:03
DaemonFC[m]	While we were out to eat.	Nov 25 03:03
DaemonFC[m]	I said, "It was this mp3 player from Microsoft and nobody bought them.".	Nov 25 03:04
DaemonFC[m]	So I thought that was the end of it.	Nov 25 03:04
DaemonFC[m]	He asks me what an mp3 player is.	Nov 25 03:04
schestowitz	x https://gizmodo.com/why-do-laptop-makers-have-such-terrible-websites-1830499398	Nov 25 04:40
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schestowitz	# apologists for bad design	Nov 25 04:40
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schestowitz	kaniini: pung	Nov 25 04:46
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kaniini	schestowitz: will be coming up in a few hours. taking a break from server stuff atm	Nov 25 05:10
schestowitz	kaniini: cool	Nov 25 05:34
schestowitz	https://www.c4labs.com/product/presale-pine64-cluster-case-pine64-clusterboard-with-7-sopine-compute-module-slots/	Nov 25 05:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PRESALE - PINE64 Cluster Case - PINE64 CLUSTERBOARD with 7 SOPine Compute Module Slots - C4Labs		Nov 25 05:38
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DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/news/a42736/how-long-iphone-supposed-to-last-apple/	Nov 25 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cosmopolitan.com \| How Long Is An iPhone Supposed To Last		Nov 25 18:21
DaemonFC[m]	About three years according to Apple.	Nov 25 18:21
DaemonFC[m]	Even if the iPhone X lasts longer, which it won't, the price is now well in excess of $1,000, so you'd still not be saving any money on the cost of ownership.	Nov 25 18:22
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/NYMJGzh.jpg	Nov 25 19:08
XRevan86	- No, I'm from Kerch.	Nov 25 19:29
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561571.jpg	Nov 25 19:54
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/aWMLBP1.gifv	Nov 25 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com \| An incredible CATch		Nov 25 20:19
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MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561567.jpg	Nov 25 20:40
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561556.jpg	Nov 25 22:06
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MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561365.jpg	Nov 25 22:33
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561456.jpg	Nov 25 23:08
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MinceR	http://wumo.com/wumo/2018/08/19	Nov 26 15:25
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DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: Shouldn't it be iamgroot?	Nov 26 15:40
MinceR	¯\_(ツ)_/¯	Nov 26 15:41
DaemonFC[m]	Groot was foiled in setting up a wifi password because the system policy required at least one number and one special character.	Nov 26 15:41
DaemonFC[m]	"Damn you Windows XP!!!!"	Nov 26 15:41
DaemonFC[m]	"With Service Pack 2!"	Nov 26 15:42
oiaohm	http://wumo.com/wumo/2018/11/17 <<With the bank royal commission in Australia this one is turning out so true.	Nov 26 15:55
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oiaohm	Yes banks in Australia have had to refund charged fees for services the customer never got.	Nov 26 15:55
oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: I am trying to remember what version of windows did the one that if wifi password did not meet system policy that it set a blank password.	Nov 26 15:58
oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/wifi-user-name-and-password-are-cleared-before-i/863d89be-2a49-45ed-a8e4-f09171c3eaa2 The windows 10 bug I will not take wifi password until you work out how to beat up the network stack.	Nov 26 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com \| Wifi user name and password are cleared before I can enter them - Microsoft Community		Nov 26 16:00
MinceR	backdoors10 also likes to phone home and report wifi passwords	Nov 26 16:03
MinceR	so does Backdoors Phone, iirc	Nov 26 16:03
DaemonFC[m]	https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/23/john-walker-lindh-detainee-001-in-the-global-war-on-terror-will-go-free-in-two-years-what-then/	Nov 26 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foreignpolicy.com \| John Walker Lindh, Detainee #001 in the Global War On Terror, Will Go Free In Two Years. What Then? – Foreign Policy		Nov 26 16:06
DaemonFC[m]	It's unbelievable that they would even consider letting this guy out.	Nov 26 16:06
DaemonFC[m]	Nobody would hire him, so he has no job prospects. He has no education. What do they expect he'll do?	Nov 26 16:06
DaemonFC[m]	Best case is someone kills him and doesn't get caught because he has never renounced radical Islam and we're already dealing with about one mass shooting per day.	Nov 26 16:08
DaemonFC[m]	I think it's very likely that he'll end up doing something else. These people want to die and they want to kill a lot of people on the way out.	Nov 26 16:09
DaemonFC[m]	They should have given him a lethal injection already.	Nov 26 16:09
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DaemonFC[m]	According to the article, there's about 90 others that the government is just going to let out of prison around the same time. Are you fucking kidding me?	Nov 26 16:10
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DaemonFC[m]	"It’s difficult to create a one-size-fits-all rehabilitation program for extremists because there are so few of these cases and each one is unique, said a former U.S. attorney"	Nov 26 16:12
MinceR	do you trust your government to give anyone the death penalty?	Nov 26 16:12
DaemonFC[m]	Not really. Most of them fit a profile. Not particularly intelligent. Nothing to live for.	Nov 26 16:12
DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: Yeah.	Nov 26 16:13
DaemonFC[m]	They gave the federal death sentence to Dylann Roof.	Nov 26 16:13
MinceR	why?	Nov 26 16:13
MinceR	they're hilariously incompetent	Nov 26 16:13
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DaemonFC[m]	For the church shooting. He might be borderline retarded though, having read some of the details of his case.	Nov 26 16:13
DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: There's not really much of a movement to end the federal death sentence. Mainly because it's rarely used.	Nov 26 16:14
DaemonFC[m]	Most of the people who get it are terrorists who admit what they did and said they aren't sorry for it and don't appeal the sentence.	Nov 26 16:15
DaemonFC[m]	It's not really so easy for prosecutors to get a death sentence handed down. A jury has to convict and then it moves to the sentencing phase and 12 people in a different jury havee to vote unanimously to impose it.	Nov 26 16:16
DaemonFC[m]	Most of the states that have gotten rid of it made the argument on cost concerns.	Nov 26 16:17
DaemonFC[m]	There's so many appeals that it takes 20 years or more to get to the execution and they're just sitting there in prison the whole time and costing the system a ton of money. A lot of them die waiting to die.	Nov 26 16:18
DaemonFC[m]	California's death row has ballooned to 744 prisoners and the state hasn't been able to execute a single one of them in 12 years.	Nov 26 16:19
DaemonFC[m]	Even in California, where there's like a million constitutional amendment proposals on the ballot in every election because of the citizen initiative, they couldn't repeal the death sentence.	Nov 26 16:20
DaemonFC[m]	The majority don't want these people back out on their streets.	Nov 26 16:21
DaemonFC[m]	One reason the state is so fucked up is because anyone's hare-brained idea can end up on the ballot, and quite a few of the proposals pass, and a lot of them have created severe unintended consequences.	Nov 26 16:21
DaemonFC[m]	To name just one example, a few decades ago, there was an initiative to freeze property taxes on people who owned a home. The problem was that the wording only applied to people who currently owned a home when the initiative passed.	Nov 26 16:22
DaemonFC[m]	So there's still people paying property taxes at the level they were paying in the 80s, and the local governments can only raise taxes on people who became home owners after that.	Nov 26 16:23
DaemonFC[m]	So it created a lopsided system where people who owned a home then are paying 1/4th or 1/5th of the property taxes as someone who buys a house now.	Nov 26 16:23
DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: You put something up for a vote that lets people live off their neighbors, it's gonna pass.	Nov 26 16:25
MinceR	yeah, like elections :>	Nov 26 16:26
DaemonFC[m]	In a way, that's probably why Governor-Elect Pritzker in Illinois was inevitable.	Nov 26 16:26
DaemonFC[m]	Not only was outgoing Governor Rauner a total failure, but Pritzker's campaign promises was more free shit for various people.	Nov 26 16:26
DaemonFC[m]	It caused a surge of voters who all wanted more entitlements (mostly for people who have kids without the means to pay for them).	Nov 26 16:27
DaemonFC[m]	It's the oldest trick in the book.	Nov 26 16:27
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DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: And the state's dead broke already.	Nov 26 16:28
DaemonFC[m]	Using GAAP accounting, the state's deficit last year was $15 billion.	Nov 26 16:28
DaemonFC[m]	If Pritzker implements every promise he made during the election, taxes would have to double.	Nov 26 16:28
DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: The state has a balanced budget amendment in the Constitution, but hasn't had a balanced budget in 16 years.	Nov 26 16:29
DaemonFC[m]	They "balance it" at the beginning of the year by assuming revenues that won't happen and then they run out of money and sell more bonds.	Nov 26 16:29
DaemonFC[m]	They've budgeted for selling the Thompson Center in Chicago for $300 billion dollars in each of the last 5 budgets. Nobody is offering to buy the building. Next year they'll budget for selling it, again.	Nov 26 16:30
DaemonFC[m]	Errr $300 million, rather.	Nov 26 16:31
DaemonFC[m]	They just pepper over the budget with things like that until it balances, and they use non-GAAP accounting so the deficit is "only" $1.5 billion.	Nov 26 16:31
DaemonFC[m]	So it "balances" quickly that way.	Nov 26 16:31
DaemonFC[m]	The state's "rainy day fund" has enough money in it to run state government operations for....six minutes.	Nov 26 16:32
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DaemonFC[m]	It's a mystery how Chicago has managed to lure so many new businesses here.	Nov 26 16:33
DaemonFC[m]	You'd think that with the budget out of whack at the city, county, and state levels that businesses would find somewhere with a stable outlook to set up operations.	Nov 26 16:33
DaemonFC[m]	If there is a state in the US that's the most like Greece, it would be Illinois.	Nov 26 16:34
DaemonFC[m]	Bad budgets. Corrupt politicians. Bloated government agencies where nobody does any real work and they have a job for life.	Nov 26 16:34
DaemonFC[m]	The Indiana suburbs are growing. People can commute to work in Chicago for the day and then go back and pay Indiana taxes to live there.	Nov 26 16:36
DaemonFC[m]	If you're saving $4,000 a year on your property taxes alone....	Nov 26 16:36
DaemonFC[m]	A bunch of Democrats say they won't vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker.	Nov 26 16:37
DaemonFC[m]	Trump tweeted that she deserves to be their Speaker and if they can't get enough Democrats to vote for her, that "We may give her some Republican votes.".	Nov 26 16:37
DaemonFC[m]	Technically, it's allowed.	Nov 26 16:38
DaemonFC[m]	The last time a vote for the other party's Speaker happened was 2000 when Jim Traficant of Ohio (later convicted on corruption charges) voted for the Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois (later convicted of financial and securities fraud and molesting teenagers when he was a high school coach).	Nov 26 16:40
DaemonFC[m]	At the time, the Democrats punished Traficant for his vote by stripping him of his seniority and all of his committee assignments.	Nov 26 16:41
MinceR	this would make that president-less scenario even funnier	Nov 26 16:42
DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: I think Trump is serious about leaning on the Republicans to support Pelosi.	Nov 26 16:44
DaemonFC[m]	He thinks it'll damage the Democratic party in two ways. One, she's not a popular "face" for the party, and two, it would be humilating that her Speakership relied on votes from Republicans to get her past 218.	Nov 26 16:45
DaemonFC[m]	Once the vote is finished, the Democrats are stuck with whoever gets chosen until they die, resign, there's a new session of Congress, or they have a candidate and the votes to replace her.	Nov 26 16:47
DaemonFC[m]	There was a case (in the 1800s, I think) where there was no Speaker for the first two months of the new Congress.	Nov 26 16:47
DaemonFC[m]	They had 133 votes before anyone won.	Nov 26 16:48
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MinceR	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Kemuri_my_bby.jpg	Nov 26 21:24
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112226	Nov 26 22:24
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XRevan86	MinceR: What for?	Nov 26 22:34
MinceR	XRevan86: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/poop-knife	Nov 26 22:36
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XRevan86	MinceR: huh	Nov 26 22:38
MinceR	also, https://imgur.com/gallery/13ZcK	Nov 26 22:44
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XRevan86	> He can speak French...in Russian	Nov 26 22:49
XRevan86	huh	Nov 26 22:49
*XRevan86 tries his best with his Imagination		Nov 26 22:50
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XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gay_Science English has certainly changed.	Nov 27 10:03
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XRevan86	cubexyz: You spoke of language degradation? :)	Nov 27 10:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de \| IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object		Nov 27 15:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Beyond Kubernetes: #Istio network service mesh http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117880 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a60e1c10-a00b-469e-8f56-b3057a18c195]		Nov 27 15:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS: Generosity and #PostgreSQL http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117881 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5ae57a4a-48f4-40d1-b000-1761420f5260]		Nov 27 15:47
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117882 #howto #gnu #linux #unix vvv [https://pleroma.site/objects/59a69cf9-6b33-4410-84cc-084c730c8daa]		Nov 27 15:49
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Choosing Linux: 2 Awesome Tools To Find Your Perfect Linux OS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117884 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6a1ac17e-3f47-40fd-b5f5-b3964524c46b]		Nov 27 16:09
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/yBYXBut.jpg	Nov 27 16:10
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: One Linux Stack To Rule HPC And AI - The Next Platformhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117886 #hpc [https://pleroma.site/objects/85f68bd1-8869-4e18-b8e4-37f5d9183104]		Nov 27 17:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Researchers estimate that Python, Javascript, and R contribute billions to GDP http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117887 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ace3c672-658b-4320-9fdd-333966358086]		Nov 27 17:12
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #OpenSnitch – an Application Firewall for Linux [Review] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117888 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c1f9e02a-b41e-4a23-bd3e-ffc9fc8cdf61]		Nov 27 19:11
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117891 [https://pleroma.site/objects/323a3f64-404b-4de7-9dc5-462aec3acc6d]		Nov 27 19:16
MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtA5dEwXoAIir0Q.jpg:large	Nov 27 19:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 27/11/2018: GCC 7.4 Coming Soon and a Rare 'Supply Chain' Incident http://techrights.org/2018/11/27/rare-supply-chain-incident/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/1b332e3a-f894-43ca-89ca-7f4922a3d17f]		Nov 27 19:30
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schestowitz	kaniini: Tracy is reminding me we need to make progress	Nov 27 20:52
schestowitz	he is paying for the space just to keep our sites going	Nov 27 20:52
cubexyz	XRevan86, I haven't read anything by Nietzsche really	Nov 27 21:04
XRevan86	cubexyz: I was just making a dumb remark about the title %)	Nov 27 21:04
XRevan86	and how its meaning has shifted with time	Nov 27 21:04
cubexyz	XRevan86, have you ever seen The Flintstones cartoon?	Nov 27 21:05
cubexyz	that was only back in the 1960s	Nov 27 21:05
XRevan86	How them euphemisms occupy the original words in time :)	Nov 27 21:05
XRevan86	cubexyz: I have	Nov 27 21:06
XRevan86	cubexyz: I haven't enjoyed it though	Nov 27 21:06
XRevan86	I guess me-kid couldn't find a reason why this sitcom in American suburbs is trying to look like pseudo-scientific prehistoric times	Nov 27 21:07
XRevan86	I still can't :)	Nov 27 21:08
cubexyz	well it's based on the Honeymooners show	Nov 27 21:08
XRevan86	that I didn't see	Nov 27 21:09
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Honeymooners	Nov 27 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| The Honeymooners - Wikipedia		Nov 27 21:09
cubexyz	a lot of cartoon stuff is derived from real actors	Nov 27 21:10
kaniini	schestowitz: ok let me see what i can do to get it up	Nov 27 21:11
cubexyz	language drift is interesting though	Nov 27 21:13
cubexyz	"23 skiddoo"	Nov 27 21:14
cubexyz	"the bee's knees"	Nov 27 21:14
cubexyz	"can you dig it?" :)	Nov 27 21:16
XRevan86	I like "Godspeed"	Nov 27 21:16
XRevan86	cubexyz: I don't dig those expressions you've mentioned %)	Nov 27 21:17
XRevan86	23 skiddoo? What does that even mean?	Nov 27 21:17
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_skidoo_(phrase) huh	Nov 27 21:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 23 skidoo (phrase) - Wikipedia		Nov 27 21:18
cubexyz	there's a wikipedia... ok you found it already	Nov 27 21:18
cubexyz	very old slang... 1920s I think	Nov 27 21:18
XRevan86	seems to be phased out	Nov 27 21:19
cubexyz	yeah no one talks like that now	Nov 27 21:19
XRevan86	A numerical expression is an interesting thing on its own :)	Nov 27 21:19
cubexyz	"what's the diff?"	Nov 27 21:21
cubexyz	each decade seems to have its own slang expressions	Nov 27 21:21
XRevan86	all numerical expressions I've heard cover something forbidden	Nov 27 21:21
XRevan86	cubexyz: What's the "diff -paur a b"?	Nov 27 21:22
XRevan86	4:20, 14/88, 228, 282	Nov 27 21:22
cubexyz	merely a contraction of "what's the difference?"	Nov 27 21:22
XRevan86	narcotics and extremism	Nov 27 21:22
XRevan86	cubexyz: "diff" have a strong association with "patch" for me :)	Nov 27 21:24
XRevan86	* has	Nov 27 21:24
kaniini	schestowitz: can i get	Nov 27 21:25
kaniini	schestowitz: ifconfig output on techrights.org and tuxmachines.org	Nov 27 21:25
kaniini	schestowitz: need the MAC addresses	Nov 27 21:26
cubexyz	XRevan86, diff is in Unix v5	Nov 27 21:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: Not surprising	Nov 27 21:26
kaniini	wait	Nov 27 21:27
kaniini	i can get them from the image	Nov 27 21:27
cubexyz	XRevan86, even though Unix v5 is pretty small, that's one program I haven't looked at	Nov 27 21:29
XRevan86	cubexyz: You mean, like analysed it or like ever used diff before? %)	Nov 27 21:30
cubexyz	I've used diff in Linux to create patch files	Nov 27 21:30
XRevan86	I got worried for a second :D	Nov 27 21:31
cubexyz	in the old days it used ed format to show the differences	Nov 27 21:34
cubexyz	I guess it still can	Nov 27 21:37
cubexyz	diff --ed	Nov 27 21:37
cubexyz	you see things were botched up by the AT&T lawyers	Nov 27 21:41
cubexyz	there was an educational license for Research Unix around 1973/1974	Nov 27 21:41
cubexyz	for $200 you got the source code to play around with	Nov 27 21:42
cubexyz	or $150	Nov 27 21:43
cubexyz	I might have the original license somewhere	Nov 27 21:43
kaniini	tuxmachines.org image is even more whack	Nov 27 21:45
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cubexyz	here it is:	Nov 27 21:46
cubexyz	http://maxhost.org/other/unix-6th-edition-license.pdf	Nov 27 21:46
cubexyz	ok, that one said $150 but they kept increasing it over time	Nov 27 21:47
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/1811149	Nov 27 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de \| IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object		Nov 27 21:47
schestowitz	kaniini: ah, excellent	Nov 27 21:58
schestowitz	tessier might know network settings better, kaniini	Nov 27 21:58
kaniini	network settings are whack	Nov 27 21:59
kaniini	i have to redo the techrights image	Nov 27 21:59
kaniini	tuxrights, idk	Nov 27 21:59
kaniini	i need to figure out how to get into that one	Nov 27 21:59
kaniini	do you know the root password	Nov 27 21:59
kaniini	to either of these	Nov 27 21:59
schestowitz	for the server I use sudo with my username	Nov 27 21:59
schestowitz	but I guess cemtos has 'proper' root	Nov 27 22:00
schestowitz	tessier would know, I have the mysql root account details, now for the whole image	Nov 27 22:00
schestowitz	/s/now/not	Nov 27 22:03
XRevan86	cubexyz: I'm glad in the present we have free software licences.	Nov 27 22:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 4.19.5, 4.14.84, 4.9.141, 4.4.165, and 3.18.127 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117892 [https://pleroma.site/objects/43249aee-4f3f-4d0b-b2fa-ed496cb26b0d]		Nov 27 22:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel 4.18 Reached End of Life, Users Urged to Upgrade to Linux 4.19 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117893 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e8f7f1f3-4409-4f10-9f6e-83cc85bf5ec1]		Nov 27 22:14
kaniini	ok	Nov 27 22:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Plasma 5.14.4 Desktop Environment Released with 45 Changes, Update Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117894 [https://pleroma.site/objects/72d6e5c6-ad38-4199-a5a0-b6ba1796982f]		Nov 27 22:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat buys hybrid-cloud, data-storage company NooBaa http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117895 [https://pleroma.site/objects/12e542aa-5302-4586-865b-e29739951df1]		Nov 27 22:19
schestowitz	kaniini: thanks for putting the time into it, I really appreciate it	Nov 27 22:21
schestowitz	I can sort things out over ssh when it's running	Nov 27 22:21
kaniini	schestowitz: it appears techrights is up at 199.19.78.19	Nov 27 22:24
kaniini	schestowitz: please let me know if you can get into it	Nov 27 22:25
schestowitz	cool, let me try	Nov 27 22:29
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561452.jpg	Nov 27 22:30
schestowitz	kaniini: I'm in \0/	Nov 27 22:31
kaniini	ok	Nov 27 22:31
schestowitz	looks identical	Nov 27 22:31
schestowitz	partitions and all	Nov 27 22:31
schestowitz	wife and I will check and verify, count files etc	Nov 27 22:32
schestowitz	loads up the pages ok http://199.19.78.19/?stories	Nov 27 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-199.19.78.19 \| Techrights \| Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom		Nov 27 22:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117896 [https://pleroma.site/objects/129c6744-890e-42c0-b1d4-d72e7b8123cf]		Nov 27 22:37
schestowitz	http://199.19.78.19/wiki/index.php/Main_Page	Nov 27 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-199.19.78.19 \| Main Page - Techrights		Nov 27 22:39
schestowitz	handles the load OK so far :-)	Nov 27 22:39
schestowitz	will stress-test it tomorrow	Nov 27 22:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Update for Ubuntu Phones Slated for Release on December 7th http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117897 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3ae3feea-0f23-415e-8716-e013f35c5619]		Nov 27 22:42
kaniini	schestowitz: tuxmachines will be .20	Nov 27 23:26
kaniini	i need to figure out how to get into it though	Nov 27 23:27
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schestowitz	kaniini: I have asked for days off work	Nov 28 05:22
schestowitz	kaniini: we will work on the site and prepare things, I am very much relieved now :-)	Nov 28 05:23
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scientes	MinceR, are you the australian i remember?	Nov 28 05:56
scientes	in this channel	Nov 28 05:57
XRevan86	scientes: no, he's Hungarian	Nov 28 06:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU: New Article by Richard Stallman and New Software Releases http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117898 [https://pleroma.site/objects/87f7b809-f591-47ce-8831-71703da976f9]		Nov 28 06:11
XRevan86	Though I am not sure what is meant by "the australian" %)	Nov 28 06:14
MinceR	scientes: no	Nov 28 06:34
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scientes	there use to be an australian that hung out in this channel years ago	Nov 28 06:38
scientes	I wanted to note that I noticed the Australian parliment was unable to pass a bill that banned use of harvested human organs, because of pressure by China	Nov 28 06:39
scientes	XRevan86, good point	Nov 28 06:39
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XRevan86	scientes: Well, oiaohm is Australian.	Nov 28 07:01
amarsh04	and I am Australian	Nov 28 07:45
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #DragonFly 5.4rc1 image to use http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117901 #bsd #unix [https://pleroma.site/objects/e4ec17ed-a2e4-4f79-88e9-35a5a34b78ab]		Nov 28 08:35
scientes	yeah it was oiaohm	Nov 28 08:36
scientes	i just remembered him telling me that australia has mandatory voting	Nov 28 08:36
scientes	maybe it should add mandatory organ harvesting of MPs too /s	Nov 28 08:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A New Raspberry Pi Board http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117903 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e22249ff-1cf5-4ab2-b27d-41189c5eb5c8]		Nov 28 08:39
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Happy Birthday #Jolla Phone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117904 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c75a72e8-1d34-4ed5-8454-99ef95ef6251]		Nov 28 09:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: State of Mozilla/Annual Report, Rust, Mozilla Localisation and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117905 [https://pleroma.site/objects/313b23a9-648a-4397-b606-f5ed23cf2add]		Nov 28 10:30
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: xoreos, Lutris, MXGP3, SOMOS, Woodpunk, BATTLETECH, Species: ALRE, Bloody Rally Simulator http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117906 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d79f48f1-abce-45a2-958e-31016d74ecf2]		Nov 28 10:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Unbound Tech, Reproducible Builds and Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117907 [https://pleroma.site/objects/57554684-4e96-46ee-a06e-9114d325f153]		Nov 28 10:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117908 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7a6b7613-cc41-4093-9d8b-4fc5bacb9daf]		Nov 28 10:40
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oiaohm	scientes: https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp0809/09rp11#opt On going debate if organ donation should remain opt in or be changed to opt out system.	Nov 28 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aph.gov.au \| The future of organ donation in Australia: moving beyond the ‘gift of life’ – Parliament of Australia		Nov 28 11:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117909 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2d223322-3ff0-44d2-93ec-34f3e5725078]		Nov 28 11:05
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schestowitz	scientes: welcome back	Nov 28 11:27
schestowitz	long time... like a decade?	Nov 28 11:27
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MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561391.jpg	Nov 28 14:31
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schestowitz	FYI	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	-------- Forwarded Message --------	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	Subject: [devuan] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 23:57:21 +0100	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	From: Subscribe to receive announcements about Devuan	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	<devuan-announce@lists.dyne.org>	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	Reply-To: onelove@devuan.org, devuan-announce@lists.dyne.org	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	To: devuan-announce@lists.dyne.org	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	Dear Init Freedom Lovers,	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	On the fourth anniversary of the birth of Devuan,	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	# Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	## From Friday, April 5th through Sunday, April 7th 2019	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	# The power of choice	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	The Devuan Conference 2019 is a not-for-profit event, this means that	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	the conference fees will cover the bare cost of venue, catering,	Nov 28 18:01
schestowitz	logistics and documentation materials.	Nov 28 18:01
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XRevan86	schestowitz: Weird, but I suppose it must be fun :)	Nov 28 18:54
XRevan86	schestowitz: I bet no serious business corporate person will go there, making it a geeky even.	Nov 28 18:55
XRevan86	https://pleroma.site/notice/9310979 non-news	Nov 28 20:21
XRevan86	Python will be RHEL 8, they just decided to not have an unversioned /usr/bin/python	Nov 28 20:21
XRevan86	meh, if I were to use RHEL 8, I wouldn't have cared.	Nov 28 20:22
MinceR	what	Nov 28 20:33
MinceR	oh, you mean rHELL decided to break python	Nov 28 20:33
MinceR	well, i don't care about that either	Nov 28 20:33
XRevan86	Doesn't really break anything	Nov 28 20:38
MinceR	except for every script that relies in standard behavior regarding the shebang line or otherwise	Nov 28 20:39
MinceR	https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/	Nov 28 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PEP 394 -- The "python" Command on Unix-Like Systems \| Python.org		Nov 28 20:40
MinceR	i guess ibm is like microsoft, standards don't apply to them	Nov 28 20:40
XRevan86	MinceR: Expecting /usr/bin/python to be anything compatible reliably has not been a good practice for years	Nov 28 20:40
MinceR	that's irrelevant	Nov 28 20:40
XRevan86	MinceR: Like they said, the standard may change later in time, yet IBM^W RHEL will have to stick to what they picked now.	Nov 28 20:42
MinceR	no, they won't	Nov 28 20:43
XRevan86	and it's not a bad point, RHEL 8's support will surpass Python 2's by far, unless IBM kills it off of course.	Nov 28 20:43
MinceR	all ibm/rh needs to do is ensure their scripts specify explicitly python2 or python3	Nov 28 20:43
XRevan86	MinceR: And that's exactly what they do.	Nov 28 20:43
MinceR	including the scripts they package	Nov 28 20:43
MinceR	no, that has nothing to do with messing with /usr/bin/python	Nov 28 20:44
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XRevan86	MinceR: What will the PEPs say when Python 2.7's support is dropped?	Nov 28 20:44
XRevan86	That /usr/bin/python should refer to python3?	Nov 28 20:44
XRevan86	Well, that'll be too late for RHEL 8, it already has it at python2 in that hypothetical world	Nov 28 20:45
XRevan86	(where they stick to PEP 0394)	Nov 28 20:45
MinceR	maybe it will, maybe it won't change	Nov 28 20:46
MinceR	properly written python programs and shell scripts that call them will be unaffected either way	Nov 28 20:46
XRevan86	Well, that's my point.	Nov 28 20:47
MinceR	is it?	Nov 28 20:47
XRevan86	that it doesn't actually matter that they did that	Nov 28 20:47
XRevan86	> What, No Python in RHEL 8 Beta? RedHat aka IBM (soon) explains why.	Nov 28 20:49
MinceR	actually it does	Nov 28 20:49
XRevan86	And that this is misleading	Nov 28 20:49
MinceR	not everything that people want to run on an OS is shipped with that OS	Nov 28 20:49
MinceR	even if that OS happens to be utter crap, like rHELL	Nov 28 20:49
XRevan86	MinceR: If some script from 2007 is affected, it should be fixed regardless.	Nov 28 20:49
XRevan86	after all, a regex can handle that	Nov 28 20:49
MinceR	yes it should	Nov 28 20:50
MinceR	but ibm shouldn't break it in defiance of PEP 394	Nov 28 20:50
XRevan86	it's not a holy script	Nov 28 20:50
XRevan86	They acknowledge right in the PEP that Arch doesn't do that.	Nov 28 20:51
MinceR	arch is garbage as well	Nov 28 20:51
MinceR	let me check my handy little table	Nov 28 20:51
XRevan86	and don't make a statement about that	Nov 28 20:51
XRevan86	if they were to write "Arch does it, don't be like Arch", I would've read it differently	Nov 28 20:51
MinceR	arch is 3 poetterings more shitty than rHELL	Nov 28 20:51
MinceR	and 3 poetterings less shitty than fedora	Nov 28 20:51
XRevan86	MinceR: Really? Why is it more poetterings than RHEL?	Nov 28 20:52
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption	Nov 28 20:52
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MinceR	sort by "date released as default"	Nov 28 20:52
XRevan86	MinceR: That just means that RHEL is slower, which it is.	Nov 28 20:53
XRevan86	if it were as fast as Fedora, it would've… been Fedora	Nov 28 20:53
MinceR	it was slower to adopt something that made it irredeemably shit	Nov 28 20:53
MinceR	also, i don't want the nazis at dehomag to decide how one of my favorite languages work	Nov 28 20:54
XRevan86	> dehomag	Nov 28 20:54
XRevan86	TIL	Nov 28 20:54
XRevan86	MezhDelMash has yet another name?	Nov 28 20:55
MinceR	i wasn't aware of that name :)	Nov 28 20:55
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust	Nov 28 20:55
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XRevan86	that's not official :)	Nov 28 20:56
XRevan86	but common as slang	Nov 28 20:56
XRevan86	kind of like Intel being Shteud	Nov 28 20:56
XRevan86	qwerty → йцукен ⇒ intel → штеуд	Nov 28 20:56
XRevan86	samsung is often gnusmas (not idea why)	Nov 28 20:57
MinceR	just reversed	Nov 28 20:57
XRevan86	apart from that :)	Nov 28 20:57
MinceR	¯\_(ツ)_/¯	Nov 28 20:57
*XRevan86 think that maybe MezhDielMach will be a more trueЪ transcription.		Nov 28 21:00
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XRevan86	Acknowledgment of the ѣ makes it Polish compatible, and "mach" is a proper Latin shortening of "machina"	Nov 28 21:02
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MinceR	mezd'elmash?	Nov 28 21:02
XRevan86	mež	Nov 28 21:03
XRevan86	"m" and "d" are actually softened	Nov 28 21:04
MinceR	right, mezhd'elmash	Nov 28 21:04
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XRevan86	oh, "между" also has a ѣ %)	Nov 28 21:06
XRevan86	I forgot about that, heh	Nov 28 21:06
XRevan86	MiežDielMach	Nov 28 21:06
XRevan86	that's the problem with etymologically correct transcriptions, they're easy to screw up %)	Nov 28 21:08
MinceR	and nobody who doesn't know the etymology will be able to pronounce it correctly	Nov 28 21:09
XRevan86	MinceR: To be fair, nor with the strict transliteration :)	Nov 28 21:10
XRevan86	A strict transliteration from Ukrainian: MižDilMash	Nov 28 21:11
XRevan86	the etymologically correct form is still be same	Nov 28 21:11
XRevan86	the biggest coutresy of trying to form a word etymologically, is that it no longer depends on the way any language changer	Nov 28 21:24
XRevan86	changes	Nov 28 21:24
XRevan86	For instance, the name of the city "Kyev" is now pronounced as "Kyï(f\|v)" in Ukrainian and "Kiïf" (that a lot of dots) in Russian (and spelled "Kiyev")	Nov 28 21:25
XRevan86	* (that's a lot of dots)	Nov 28 21:26
XRevan86	or L'vov, və L'vovie → L'viv, u L'vovi (ru: L'vov, vo L'vov'e)	Nov 28 21:30
XRevan86	* or L'vovə, və L'vovie	Nov 28 21:31
XRevan86	since I added the historical ъ (~schwa) after the "v", may as well add to L'vov.	Nov 28 21:31
XRevan86	the ъ is important on the "v", because when it dropped, the approach changed (diverged) in Russian and Ukrainian	Nov 28 21:32
XRevan86	Ukrainian merged "u" and "v" prepositions (only distinguishable by declensions now), whilst Russian started adding "o" to it when it's phonetically convinient.	Nov 28 21:34
XRevan86	fun fact: declensions don't apply to some loan words like "кафе" ("café")	Nov 28 21:36
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MinceR	fun fact: there's no way to tell the grammatical gender of a noun that ends in ь	Nov 28 21:38
XRevan86	MinceR: There is, I just haven't been able to figure out how the heck we do that :)	Nov 28 21:39
MinceR	neither has anyone else	Nov 28 21:40
MinceR	it would be better to get rid of grammatical gender entirely	Nov 28 21:40
XRevan86	слепень – he, пень – he, лень – she, боль – she, копь – she, моль – she	Nov 28 21:40
XRevan86	MinceR: Except for ships and swords	Nov 28 21:41
XRevan86	those are sacred and feminine	Nov 28 21:41
XRevan86	дань – she, даль – she	Nov 28 21:41
XRevan86	сыпь – she	Nov 28 21:42
MinceR	lol	Nov 28 21:42
MinceR	and then you could go on with "simple rules" for pages upon pages	Nov 28 21:42
MinceR	and exceptions!	Nov 28 21:42
*XRevan86 looks at English		Nov 28 21:43
XRevan86	зверь – he	Nov 28 21:43
XRevan86	огонь – he	Nov 28 21:43
XRevan86	ткань – she, знать – she	Nov 28 21:44
XRevan86	same with loan words: вентиль – he, unambigiously	Nov 28 21:45
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XRevan86	obviously "ventile", yea	Nov 28 21:45
MinceR	even english has a vestige of this crap	Nov 28 21:46
XRevan86	MinceR: he-he	Nov 28 21:46
XRevan86	Well, it's not really grammatical in English	Nov 28 21:46
MinceR	like ships	Nov 28 21:46
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XRevan86	not anymore anyway	Nov 28 21:47
XRevan86	Since it's any ship regardless of pronunciation or spelling	Nov 28 21:47
XRevan86	which actually make it creepily sexual	Nov 28 21:48
XRevan86	* makes	Nov 28 21:48
MinceR	they still pretend the ships are female, even though they're genderless objects	Nov 28 21:48
MinceR	and they have people learn this shit	Nov 28 21:48
XRevan86	MinceR: Stop assuming ship's gender!	Nov 28 21:48
XRevan86	I was trying to make a joke as if I were pro-female-ships	Nov 28 21:50
XRevan86	but it works the other way just as well, doesn't it	Nov 28 21:50
MinceR	that's what she said.	Nov 28 21:52
XRevan86	MinceR: To be serious, grammatical gender has a practical purpose of giving additional information about what one is referring to.	Nov 28 21:56
MinceR	which will be useless 50% of the time	Nov 28 21:57
XRevan86	because it's like different types of nouns, every type has different rules making them easier to tell apart	Nov 28 21:57
XRevan86	MinceR: It's hard for me to evaluate how much redundancy it provides, because I know only one and a half Slavic languages and English.	Nov 28 21:58
XRevan86	And English is one heck of an ambiguous language with or without grammatical gender	Nov 28 21:58
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender#Useful_roles	Nov 28 21:59
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MinceR	also, since it's difficult to learn, you can't even trust that 1 bit of information you get	Nov 28 21:59
XRevan86	MinceR: It's definitely a complication for adult learners, no argument there.	Nov 28 22:00
XRevan86	Notable that a creole language never has grammatical gender. At least I'd be very-very surprised to find one %)	Nov 28 22:03
XRevan86	exactly because creoles are formed by families of adult learners	Nov 28 22:06
XRevan86	so hard-to-grasp qualities such as various inflections are to a minimum	Nov 28 22:07
MinceR	so, it takes an adult learner for one not to be a masochist when it comes to languages?	Nov 28 22:07
XRevan86	MinceR: to reduce complexity	Nov 28 22:08
XRevan86	MinceR: But at a price	Nov 28 22:08
XRevan86	MinceR: lots and lots of prepositions	Nov 28 22:09
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MinceR	i don't see why would one need lots and lots of prepositions to recover a tiny piece of redundant information that may or may not be there	Nov 28 22:10
XRevan86	MinceR: Because inflections are complicated even without gender	Nov 28 22:11
MinceR	inflections are optional	Nov 28 22:11
XRevan86	inflections (are) optional → склонения опциональн(ы)	Nov 28 22:12
XRevan86	MinceR: How are they optional though?	Nov 28 22:12
*XRevan86 pointed out a preposition in English, where in Russian there's a morpheme		Nov 28 22:13
MinceR	there are languages that don't use them	Nov 28 22:13
MinceR	like the chinese languages	Nov 28 22:13
XRevan86	MinceR: And so they have pre- or postpositions	Nov 28 22:13
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MinceR	what does this have to do with grammatical gender?	Nov 28 22:14
XRevan86	MinceR: grammatical gender is a way to deviate inflections	Nov 28 22:15
XRevan86	inflections may have various other rules aside from gender on their own	Nov 28 22:15
MinceR	yeah, which is why i'd rather not have them	Nov 28 22:16
XRevan86	gender is but one property of inflections	Nov 28 22:16
MinceR	they're a complicated mess	Nov 28 22:16
MinceR	even agglutination is easier to use	Nov 28 22:16
XRevan86	MinceR: Languages are messy	Nov 28 22:19
MinceR	yes	Nov 28 22:20
XRevan86	No language will be learnt with zero tolerance for crap :)	Nov 28 22:20
MinceR	one could be constructed, though	Nov 28 22:21
XRevan86	MinceR: pravas	Nov 28 22:22
MinceR	not necessarily from a few slavic and romance languages either :>	Nov 28 22:22
XRevan86	MinceR: Sed eĉ Esperanto havas… fekon en ĝi %)	Nov 28 22:22
MinceR	i don't speak esperanto	Nov 28 22:22
XRevan86	"But even Esperanto has… crap in it"	Nov 28 22:23
MinceR	:)	Nov 28 22:23
XRevan86	even if it's at an immeasurably lesser degree	Nov 28 22:23
cubexyz	Lojban? :)	Nov 28 22:30
MinceR	i don't speak lojban either	Nov 28 22:30
XRevan86	cubexyz: Now that's a language too little redundancy	Nov 28 22:33
XRevan86	* with too	Nov 28 22:33
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MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561321.jpg	Nov 28 23:30
XRevan86	MinceR: Also interesting that Bulgarian lost declension, got itself a definite article^W postfix, yet retained grammatical gender %)	Nov 29 00:27
XRevan86	I finally understand what those endings "to" mean in it	Nov 29 00:30
XRevan86	It's the Slavic word for "this" used as a definite article	Nov 29 00:31
XRevan86	то дерево, древото	Nov 29 00:31
XRevan86	or rather "that", not "this"	Nov 29 00:32
MinceR	https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aNYd2Zv_460svvp9.webm	Nov 29 00:33
XRevan86	MinceR: nani?	Nov 29 00:36
MinceR	XRevan86: omae wa mou shindeiru.	Nov 29 00:38
XRevan86	MinceR: have mercy	Nov 29 00:38
MinceR	mercy is for the weak	Nov 29 00:39
XRevan86	MinceR: but I'm no youngling, nor sand	Nov 29 00:42
MinceR	i don't think there were any younglings in C&C	Nov 29 00:43
XRevan86	MinceR: C&C?	Nov 29 00:44
cubexyz	what is that called when you use the latin alphabet for japanese?	Nov 29 00:45
MinceR	XRevan86: Command&Conquer	Nov 29 00:45
MinceR	cubexyz: romanization, rōmaji	Nov 29 00:45
MinceR	(there are several kinds of it)	Nov 29 00:45
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XRevan86	cubexyz: In this particular case – memeing	Nov 29 00:50
cubexyz	so...I think that is Hepburn?	Nov 29 00:53
cubexyz	seems the most common	Nov 29 00:53
MinceR	indeed	Nov 29 00:53
cubexyz	I seem to remember a mega drive game based on that	Nov 29 00:55
cubexyz	oh yeah, last battle it was	Nov 29 00:55
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oiaohm	https://www.openra.net/ << That reminds me	Nov 29 04:16
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cubexyz	XRevan86, didn't realize Bulgarian language used thge cyrillic alphabet	Nov 29 18:58
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XRevan86	cubexyz: heh :)	Nov 29 19:50
XRevan86	cubexyz: Bulgaria is the region where the Cyrillic alphabet originated	Nov 29 19:50
XRevan86	Old Church Slavic/Slavonic is based on the Bulgarian dialect of the then Slavic languahe.	Nov 29 19:51
XRevan86	One obvious example is the pronunciation of the letter Щ in Old Church Slavonic	Nov 29 19:52
XRevan86	it's like the Bulgarian Щ which is pronounced like "шт" ("sht")	Nov 29 19:53
XRevan86	and not the proto-Slavic "шч" ("shch")	Nov 29 19:53
XRevan86	So "щука" (pike fish) is "shchuka" in proto-Slavic and Old Russian (and now Ukrainian), yet "shtuka" in Old Church Slavonic and Bulgarian.	Nov 29 19:58
XRevan86	In modern Great Russian the pronunciation is lazier with combinations "sch" and "shch", they merged into one soft "sh'	Nov 29 19:59
XRevan86	and now Ш and Щ are considered the hard and soft variations of the same sound	Nov 29 20:00
XRevan86	Which is not very consistent with the rest of the alphabet, but so was the literal ligature Щ I guess.	Nov 29 20:01
XRevan86	So yeah, Bulgaria doesn't only use the Cyrillic alphabet, it is also its homeland.	Nov 29 20:09
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scientes	there are only 8000 allowed names in china	Nov 30 05:16
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schestowitz	scientes: sounds like a lot	Nov 30 05:59
schestowitz	Iran has similar restrictions	Nov 30 05:59
scientes	the same report that said that said that 90% of US is 70000 surnames	Nov 30 06:01
scientes	and that is only the most common 70000	Nov 30 06:01
scientes	*most common 90%	Nov 30 06:01
scientes	it was a big thing for minorities, who had to change their names to chinese names	Nov 30 06:01
scientes	there are a bunch of chinese characters you can't even use	Nov 30 06:02
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scientes	schestowitz, now that i am learning more about it, I realized I have probably experienced much more traditional chinese culture than people in mainline china	Nov 30 06:07
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scientes	I realized that the corporate media that I had been getting all my news about China from is full of lies and omissions	Nov 30 06:21
scientes	its really gross	Nov 30 06:21
scientes	the anti-CCP NTD really covers it well: no-one trusts chinese state media, it is the free press's self-censorship and lies that gives the communist party is credibility	Nov 30 06:22
scientes	such as omitting that the reason uber left china is because of nationalism. the nationalism part was conveniently omitted	Nov 30 06:23
scientes	(and nationalism favoritism in government)	Nov 30 06:25
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scientes	wait, why was Hong Kong returned to the PRC? Why wasn't it returned to the ROC instead?	Nov 30 06:41
scientes	i guess taiwan wouldn't have wanted it that way	Nov 30 06:43
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MinceR	why not?	Nov 30 07:06
scientes	but UK could have interpreted the treaty that way	Nov 30 07:09
scientes	and just said ROC was the one china	Nov 30 07:09
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561148.jpg	Nov 30 07:10
schestowitz	[06:21] <scientes> I realized that the corporate media that I had been getting all my news about China from is full of lies and omissions	Nov 30 07:22
schestowitz	China, Russia, US... they all do it	Nov 30 07:22
schestowitz	Even here in England	Nov 30 07:22
scientes	they are so afraid of angering the CPP	Nov 30 07:22
scientes	*CCP	Nov 30 07:22
schestowitz	So you need to read many sources and what they say about foreign countries, there's a domestic blackout	Nov 30 07:22
schestowitz	CPC or CCP	Nov 30 07:23
scientes	now that I have gotten some information about it it seems to me that Han nationalism will first kill the Uyghers, then Tibetians, then Mongolians	Nov 30 07:24
scientes	(also Falun Gong)	Nov 30 07:24
scientes	also, I guess Uyghers now use Arabic to write their language, but there is little mention that Mongolian is still written in Uygher alphabet	Nov 30 07:26
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scientes	This is killing!	Nov 30 07:28
scientes	^^^ schestowitz you see that video, of the Chinese in Sweden	Nov 30 07:28
scientes	that state media reported as news	Nov 30 07:29
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/1811143	Nov 30 07:40
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scientes	MinceR, haha	Nov 30 07:41
scientes	the CCP has an ideological crisis on its hands, as well as a economic collapse (in the context of a global energy crisis), as well as massive ecological problems	Nov 30 07:43
scientes	cause CCP is now actively repressive of classical Marx-Leninist thought	Nov 30 07:44
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XRevan86	https://pleroma.site/notice/9416667	Nov 30 08:09
XRevan86	schestowitz: Not the official "Qt for Python" bindings though.	Nov 30 08:09
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scientes	like here is some insanity of the CCP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4xQfGQCi9U	Nov 30 08:31
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scientes	but I guess the most recent vaccine and milk scandals are the most deleterious to the party, as they are against children	Nov 30 08:34
scientes	Why do people like so much to let other people do their thinking? Both in China and the West	Nov 30 08:39
scientes	https://www.theonion.com/china-introduces-new-one-uighur-policy-1830475863	Nov 30 08:43
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scientes	schestowitz, ^^^something is broken	Nov 30 08:43
XRevan86	scientes: Re-injecting blood back is the stupidest idea I've heard so far	Nov 30 08:46
XRevan86	> Why do people like so much to let other people do their thinking? Both in China and the West	Nov 30 08:50
XRevan86	Better trust in other people's judgement.	Nov 30 08:50
scientes	cause I realized that alot of the behavior that I despise in (many) Han Chinese is part of a larger problem of those that prefer to let other's think for them	Nov 30 08:51
scientes	and this is what created one of the US's biggest problems: suburbia	Nov 30 08:51
XRevan86	scientes: https://funnypictures.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/funny-pictures-humans-aliens.jpg	Nov 30 08:54
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*XRevan86 doesn't know the history of either the US suburbs or the Han Chinese.		Nov 30 08:59
scientes	XRevan86, han chinese is the dominent ethnic group of china	Nov 30 09:00
scientes	(the han dynasty was around at the same time as rome)	Nov 30 09:00
XRevan86	scientes: That I did know	Nov 30 09:00
scientes	while for a while (and even in Xi Jinping's most recent annual address) there is this concept of china as multi-ethnic, that is not really what is going on	Nov 30 09:01
scientes	with tibetians and uyghers not being accepted, but their land and resources being coveted	Nov 30 09:01
scientes	and mongolians being more borderline accepted	Nov 30 09:02
scientes	as the communism of the chinese communist party kinda loosing its lustre, as many powerful have private capital, I see the CPP moving away from communism towards Xi Xinping cult, and Han nationalism and ethnic cleansing of non-Han	Nov 30 09:03
scientes	there is already this wide-spead belief inside China that the PRC speaks for all Chinese, both in and outside the country	Nov 30 09:04
scientes	even if they are citizens of other countries	Nov 30 09:04
scientes	and of course "Chinese" in that case means Han, exclusively	Nov 30 09:04
scientes	this is one of the reasons Uyghers and Tibetians and Mongolians cannot get passports and are not allowed to leave China	Nov 30 09:05
XRevan86	scientes: Sounds like pretty classical corruption with a hint of nationalism.	Nov 30 09:05
XRevan86	a very bold hint…	Nov 30 09:05
XRevan86	scientes: I used to think that China is behind Russia on the corruption scale, now I'm not so sure	Nov 30 09:06
scientes	XRevan86, I'm not sure you are familiar with a few basic stuff about china	Nov 30 09:07
scientes	https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps	Nov 30 09:07
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XRevan86	scientes: Unfortunately, I'm not	Nov 30 09:07
scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIiVlIkJcJU&t=5076s	Nov 30 09:07
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scientes	I can also say some positive things about China, particularly that Shenzhen contains an incredible culture of hardware hacking silicon	Nov 30 09:09
XRevan86	One of the reasons why I thought China is not as corrupt as Russia is because it is way more successful.	Nov 30 09:10
scientes	but some of the companies that came out of that: ZTE and Huawei, are (out of necessity) very cozy with the CPP and the above two things (much like IBM's engineering of the Nazi Holocaust)	Nov 30 09:10
XRevan86	corruption in Russia is paralysing and dysfunctional	Nov 30 09:10
scientes	I wonder how Russia is doing on the environment	Nov 30 09:11
XRevan86	scientes: Let's just say, China is importing forest trees and Baikal water from Russia	Nov 30 09:12
scientes	not that the US is perfect, industrial economies are incredibly hard to maintain without destroying the environment	Nov 30 09:12
XRevan86	and there's also Chinese agriculture in Russia with Chinese pesticides	Nov 30 09:12
scientes	Russia is at least intelligent enough to ban GMOs	Nov 30 09:13
scientes	they won't drink that cool-aid, they have had more experience with the broken promises of high-tech	Nov 30 09:13
XRevan86	scientes: Russia manages to screw with the environment even without any industry involvement	Nov 30 09:13
XRevan86	really don't care	Nov 30 09:13
scientes	XRevan86, can you give me examples of Russian environmental problems post-Soviet?	Nov 30 09:14
XRevan86	Baikal is the deepest lake in the bloody world, and now it is endangered.	Nov 30 09:14
scientes	I have not heard anything damming of the ecology in Baikal	Nov 30 09:14
XRevan86	https://newsru.com/russia/13apr2018/baikal.html	Nov 30 09:16
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XRevan86	https://newsru.com/russia/13apr2018/baikal.html	Nov 30 09:16
scientes	Untreated sewage	Nov 30 09:17
scientes	damn	Nov 30 09:17
scientes	that is so stupid	Nov 30 09:17
XRevan86	scientes: That's typical Russian carelessness.	Nov 30 09:17
scientes	i mean i would have expected it to be fertilizer run-off, which is a more difficult problem	Nov 30 09:17
scientes	<XRevan86> scientes: That's typical Russian carelessness.	Nov 30 09:18
scientes	yep, and a proper sewage plant costs more in Russia because of corruption	Nov 30 09:18
scientes	I actually visited my local sewage treatment plant while in middle school	Nov 30 09:19
scientes	and officials also came and told us about our water source	Nov 30 09:19
scientes	however if there is electricity shortage, our electric meters are out-of-date and will cause problems	Nov 30 09:20
scientes	and when i talked to a family member about the problems he thinks that there will never be shortage......	Nov 30 09:21
scientes	so no point in building a resiliant system	Nov 30 09:21
XRevan86	scientes: That's interesting confidence	Nov 30 09:21
scientes	(although there is corruption in regards to how tightly propritary these systems are)	Nov 30 09:21
scientes	https://www.newstarget.com/2016-07-21-seattles-release-of-smart-meter-documents-reinforces-the-publics-fears-of-invasion-of-privacy-legal-battle-to-follow.html	Nov 30 09:22
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scientes	I haven't read that article.	Nov 30 09:23
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scientes	just pointing out the lawsuit over some minor papers that were part of the big	Nov 30 09:23
scientes	*bid	Nov 30 09:23
scientes	we really need free software power meter firmware	Nov 30 09:23
scientes	the meters can be bought directly from China on Alibaba, but they don't have any firmware	Nov 30 09:24
scientes	and everyone I've talked to doesn't understand computer security and thinks the firmware has to be propritary to be secure	Nov 30 09:25
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scientes	this is why it is impossible to solve the energy problem without economic collapse first https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/richard-branson-launches-global-cooling-prize/	Nov 30 09:42
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scientes	delusions of grandeur coupled with complete inability for people to understand scale	Nov 30 09:43
scientes	like people thinking that hybrid cars are a solution	Nov 30 09:43
scientes	or that air conditioning can become 5 times as efficient	Nov 30 09:43
scientes	instead of just building houses in ways that they can be livable without AC	Nov 30 09:45
scientes	XRevan86, I actually admire Putin, because he is so upfront when he talks	Nov 30 09:51
XRevan86	scientes: He's not upfront when answering questions	Nov 30 09:52
XRevan86	During the last presidential elections he literally never debated with anyone	Nov 30 09:54
scientes	a debate is not the same as debating meaningful issues	Nov 30 09:56
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XRevan86	scientes: That he does not do as well.	Nov 30 09:56
scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDQDyt0B-1E	Nov 30 09:57
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scientes	Granted, he has an interest in this topic	Nov 30 09:57
scientes	But I am tired of the delusions of US and EU	Nov 30 09:58
scientes	while they fight class warfare with austerity	Nov 30 09:58
scientes	while not addressing the problems	Nov 30 09:58
scientes	this has been going on for decades	Nov 30 09:58
XRevan86	scientes: Now try to find him saying that about people on retirement using firewood during winter in his country.	Nov 30 09:58
scientes	XRevan86, one of his first acts as president was to force officials to resign while flying in oil heaters to remote areas	Nov 30 09:59
XRevan86	I don't remember that	Nov 30 09:59
scientes	XRevan86, and the heating in cities is done with pipes from power plants	Nov 30 09:59
scientes	so some of that worked even during the collapse---it won	Nov 30 10:00
scientes	it won't be so great when the US collapses	Nov 30 10:00
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scientes	as I said, suburbia is a huge problem, and one that Russia (and former USSR) and China do not have	Nov 30 10:01
scientes	XRevan86, https://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-12-04/closing-collapse-gap-ussr-was-better-prepared-collapse-us/	Nov 30 10:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.resilience.org \| Closing the 'Collapse Gap': the USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US - Resilience		Nov 30 10:03
scientes	<XRevan86> I don't remember that	Nov 30 10:03
scientes	of course you don't, it wasn't reported in US media	Nov 30 10:03
scientes	oh you are from russia	Nov 30 10:03
scientes	ahh i should shut up	Nov 30 10:03
XRevan86	хех %)	Nov 30 10:04
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XRevan86	scientes: BTW, about austerity	Nov 30 10:17
XRevan86	scientes: That's what Russia's doing right now	Nov 30 10:17
scientes	XRevan86, like shouldn't there be enough people around Baikal to afford a sewage treatment plant?	Nov 30 10:17
scientes	XRevan86, raising the retirement age is not the same as austerity	Nov 30 10:17
XRevan86	scientes: Does incresing VAT to 20% qualify?	Nov 30 10:18
XRevan86	* increasing	Nov 30 10:18
scientes	yeah VAT is very regressive	Nov 30 10:18
XRevan86	They're trying desperately to plug a hole in the budget	Nov 30 10:18
XRevan86	a new tax on the self-employed is in development	Nov 30 10:18
XRevan86	Putin has signed the experiment version already	Nov 30 10:19
scientes	the whole world is facing a crunch, but Russia is in a good situation relative to much of the world	Nov 30 10:19
XRevan86	of course cutting costs, fighting corruption, looking at oligarchs – not an option	Nov 30 10:19
scientes	EU and US much more in denial, and austerity is part of that denial	Nov 30 10:19
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scientes	as well as Greece Spain, Portugal and Italy	Nov 30 10:20
scientes	(and Ukraine)	Nov 30 10:20
XRevan86	The capital is leaving the country too, because apparently the oligarchs aren't as loyal as they "should" be.	Nov 30 10:21
XRevan86	including the state officials	Nov 30 10:21
scientes	yes, like in China	Nov 30 10:21
XRevan86	The rate at which the capital leaves is increasing year after year	Nov 30 10:22
scientes	But in general the next generation is going to be much poorer than the current one	Nov 30 10:22
scientes	its called resource depletion	Nov 30 10:22
XRevan86	scientes: So the situation is getting tough, if that's a relatively good situation then good luck to the rest of the world	Nov 30 10:22
scientes	so important to differentiate class warfare from simply lower amounts of resources	Nov 30 10:22
scientes	well its just fact that Russia has more energy left that much of the world	Nov 30 10:23
scientes	we all need to use less	Nov 30 10:23
XRevan86	scientes: No thanks to the current regime	Nov 30 10:23
scientes	USSR oil production peaked right before it collapsed	Nov 30 10:24
scientes	then US technology means it could come back	Nov 30 10:24
scientes	the current regime is better than one totally subservient to US interests (or EU interests)	Nov 30 10:25
XRevan86	They'd waste it all if they had the chance	Nov 30 10:25
scientes	or China interests for that matter	Nov 30 10:25
scientes	but yes, I agree	Nov 30 10:25
XRevan86	scientes: Being a vassal always sucks	Nov 30 10:25
scientes	and Russia was there under Yeltsin	Nov 30 10:26
scientes	XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy3piCUPIkc	Nov 30 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why the Deadly Asbestos Industry is Still Alive and Well - YouTube		Nov 30 10:27
scientes	I know a local politician that was destroyed because a landslide inadvertently released small amounts of asbestos into a creek	Nov 30 10:28
XRevan86	scientes: The consequences of the US involvement aren't greatly explored, because of how devastating our own policies were back then.	Nov 30 10:29
XRevan86	The execution of privatisation of the state-controlled industry of Chubays was a disaster.	Nov 30 10:29
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scientes	XRevan86, there was a US plan to split Russia up into a bunch of countries even I believe	Nov 30 10:31
XRevan86	Anatoliy Chubays is infamous, and he's now the head of Rosnano	Nov 30 10:31
XRevan86	so that's how Putin treats heroes of the Yeltsin era	Nov 30 10:32
scientes	Yeah the US Clean Air and Water act were incredible accomplishments, because even if there isn't any money for enforcement or general apathy, citizens can sue the government for pollution to make it take action	Nov 30 10:32
scientes	ahh yes, I imagined so	Nov 30 10:32
scientes	but that isn't China, where top officials got there through live organ transplants, mass religious exterminations, and giving citizens AIDS	Nov 30 10:34
XRevan86	scientes: Yeah, it's not THAT extreme	Nov 30 10:35
scientes	and honestly, what is the difference between siezing power illicitely in a power vacume and being giving that power by a government?	Nov 30 10:36
scientes	I mean the whole basis of the western banking model, which Russia now has, is infinite growth	Nov 30 10:37
scientes	and that kinda means that you have oligarchs and they get richer, and you just have to trust them not to squander resources by actually spending that money	Nov 30 10:37
scientes	if the money leaves Russia but just goes into foreign bubbles, like housing and education, then its not so bad....	Nov 30 10:38
scientes	like usery couldn't even work if you could explore space at the speed of light	Nov 30 10:39
scientes	its just a fundamental problem of usery	Nov 30 10:39
XRevan86	scientes: like housing and education for the kids and wives of the oligarchs – that's for sure	Nov 30 10:39
scientes	well housing in the US and EU are huge boondoggles and massive problems	Nov 30 10:40
scientes	education is also a racket, but it doesn't waste as much resources (except that all those education administrators live in suburbia)	Nov 30 10:40
XRevan86	Anyway, I don't have illusions about the West, but Russia is no competition until it gets its act together	Nov 30 10:41
scientes	well the game for the US will soon be over	Nov 30 10:41
scientes	i'm not kidding	Nov 30 10:42
XRevan86	and that shall not happen unless there is a serious change in the way Russia is governed	Nov 30 10:42
scientes	and I have met incredible Russians doing work in Linux for example https://criu.org/Main_Page	Nov 30 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-criu.org \| CRIU		Nov 30 10:43
scientes	part of the reason I feel the US works is because a blind belief in money	Nov 30 10:44
scientes	so once the bubble bursts people are up shit creek without a paddle	Nov 30 10:44
XRevan86	My biggest concern with the US is its democracy being de-facto autocratic (non-existent) for decades.	Nov 30 10:45
scientes	very few vote too	Nov 30 10:45
XRevan86	scientes: Just like in Russia	Nov 30 10:45
XRevan86	why bother	Nov 30 10:45
scientes	all the important stuff happens off the radar, like permaculture	Nov 30 10:46
XRevan86	Well, the Americans got their answer in 2016, when one of the twin candidates turned out to be so much worse.	Nov 30 10:46
scientes	what do you mean?	Nov 30 10:46
XRevan86	scientes: Trump has shaken American politics big time by being a "stable genius"	Nov 30 10:47
scientes	yeah but public has felt this way since 2008 "hope and change"	Nov 30 10:47
scientes	democracy can't work because suburbia is not viable	Nov 30 10:48
XRevan86	But in the long term it doesn't matter much, because the twin wins either way, maintaining the status-quo no matter what.	Nov 30 10:48
scientes	and those living in it that can't afford it expect the government to bail them out	Nov 30 10:48
scientes	yes, I'm glad you can see that---while young people in US see that, older people do not	Nov 30 10:48
XRevan86	and the US citizens cannot vote themselves out of this	Nov 30 10:49
scientes	US economy so heavily dependant on automobiles	Nov 30 10:49
scientes	and it will completely collapse without them	Nov 30 10:49
scientes	look at what is happening in Venezwela	Nov 30 10:49
scientes	now they had a Columbia to take them in	Nov 30 10:49
scientes	and also their was some understanding of the issue before it happened (and is now blamed exclusively on Mudero)---with those will political connections trying to get land	Nov 30 10:50
scientes	Americans all feel too entitled to survive--they would rather buy a Big Mac on their credit card	Nov 30 10:51
scientes	(although I do not live in the Ohio Valley, where they are also too fat......)	Nov 30 10:52
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XRevan86	scientes: Have you heard about a Chinese delegation coming to Russia to consult on the success of the GCW?	Nov 30 10:55
XRevan86	* GCF	Nov 30 10:55
scientes	what does GCF stand for	Nov 30 10:55
scientes	thats a math acronym	Nov 30 10:55
XRevan86	* GFC	Nov 30 10:56
XRevan86	The Golden Shield	Nov 30 10:56
XRevan86	The Great Firewall of China	Nov 30 10:56
scientes	I saw that Russia bought into the Belt and Road regarding the high speed rail--but that they are powerful enough to negotiate to do the construction themselves	Nov 30 10:56
scientes	Russia has the same abilities, and briefly blocked Reddit, and also blocks pornhub for example	Nov 30 10:57
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scientes	and is in bed with VKontact	Nov 30 10:57
XRevan86	scientes: They can also block websites that contain "false accusations"	Nov 30 10:58
scientes	well I know some of the guys at the EFF, which got letsencrypt.org working	Nov 30 10:58
scientes	so that means they have to block a whole website	Nov 30 10:58
scientes	at a time	Nov 30 10:58
scientes	the biggest threat would be something like WeChat	Nov 30 10:59
XRevan86	scientes: Maybe you've heard about https://roskomsvoboda.org/36308/	Nov 30 10:59
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XRevan86	Navalny in his investigation called something a bribe, but then a court decided that it was in fact not under the definition of a bribe, and blocked navalny.com	Nov 30 11:01
scientes	meh	Nov 30 11:01
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scientes	i look at corruption stuff in Russia the way I look at the same stuff in China---political struggles	Nov 30 11:02
scientes	where the only people that can talk about such stuff are obviously part of a struggle	Nov 30 11:02
XRevan86	scientes: I'm pointing at how Internet censorship operates in Russia	Nov 30 11:02
XRevan86	they don't need much	Nov 30 11:02
scientes	but anyone that wants to publish stuff can just throw it up on blogspot.com	Nov 30 11:02
scientes	wait that wouldn't work because of the way TLS 1.3 works....	Nov 30 11:03
scientes	but they could put it on reddit for example	Nov 30 11:03
scientes	as long as it is on a domain used by a buch of other stuff	Nov 30 11:03
XRevan86	scientes: Domain leakage is attempted to be plugged with ESNI	Nov 30 11:04
scientes	like github is able to host stuff that china really wants to ban, but blocking github would be too economically destroying	Nov 30 11:04
XRevan86	which is part of the TLS 1.3 standard	Nov 30 11:04
XRevan86	scientes: Or is there something else?	Nov 30 11:04
XRevan86	because that problem existed long before TLS 1.3	Nov 30 11:04
scientes	XRevan86, not initial TLS 1.3, I did some hacking on PicoTLS which was written by that japaneese guy	Nov 30 11:04
scientes	that was pluggint that problem	Nov 30 11:04
scientes	XRevan86, but TLS 1.3 ONLY has that problem	Nov 30 11:05
scientes	basically every other problem was fixed	Nov 30 11:05
XRevan86	scientes: Like I said, ESNI	Nov 30 11:05
XRevan86	I thought it made it…	Nov 30 11:05
scientes	(except that X.509 was kinda stupid to begin with)	Nov 30 11:05
XRevan86	"Encrypted Server Name Indication"	Nov 30 11:06
scientes	oh ok ESNI is part of firefox	Nov 30 11:06
scientes	https://blog.cloudflare.com/esni/	Nov 30 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.cloudflare.com \| Encrypting SNI: Fixing One of the Core Internet Bugs		Nov 30 11:06
scientes	XRevan86, its turned off by default network.security.esni.enabled	Nov 30 11:07
XRevan86	scientes: Its implementation is in beta progress, yes	Nov 30 11:08
scientes	but it has performance issues, so my guess is that it will continue to be turned off by default	Nov 30 11:08
scientes	while DNS over TLS might make it is..but that is just my guess	Nov 30 11:08
XRevan86	scientes: Not sure about performance issues, as it's just another DNS request alongside the A/AAAA DNS request + one extra little decryption	Nov 30 11:10
scientes	i'm talking about performance of ESNI	Nov 30 11:10
XRevan86	scientes: So do I	Nov 30 11:10
scientes	an extra round trip is a big deal	Nov 30 11:10
XRevan86	scientes: The browser is already making a request to the DNS server	Nov 30 11:11
XRevan86	may as well request three entries instead of two	Nov 30 11:11
scientes	you mean get the certificate from the dns server?	Nov 30 11:12
scientes	thats why the SNI was initially sent unencrypted---because a server might host hundreds of web sites and doesn't know which certificate to give the client until it knows what web site it is serving	Nov 30 11:13
XRevan86	scientes: get a secret	Nov 30 11:13
scientes	ESNI takes an additional round trip, unless you put the certificate in the dns server message	Nov 30 11:13
scientes	anyways i gotta go to sleep	Nov 30 11:14
scientes	ttyl	Nov 30 11:14
XRevan86	scientes: IIRC, they did something in the notion of bcrypt	Nov 30 11:17
XRevan86	So as heavy as sending an encrypted password to IMAP on a non-TLS connection.	Nov 30 11:18
XRevan86	scientes: https://ria.ru/incidents/20180627/1523463221.html more on ecology	Nov 30 11:20
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/1811131	Nov 30 15:49
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abeNd-org	greetings	Nov 30 15:58
abeNd-org	how are my fellow meatbags on this dirtball?	Nov 30 15:58
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MinceR	meh	Nov 30 16:01
XRevan86	abeNd-org: Saluton al vi ankaŭ	Nov 30 16:09
cubexyz	more esperanto?	Nov 30 16:11
XRevan86	https://smbc-comics.com/comic/clock-speed	Nov 30 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smbc-comics.com \| Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Clock Speed		Nov 30 16:12
XRevan86	cubexyz: Just to spice up a greeting %)	Nov 30 16:12
MinceR	greetings, mortal	Nov 30 16:12
MinceR	are you ready to die?	Nov 30 16:12
abeNd-org	Eventually, yes	Nov 30 16:13
cubexyz	remember: quae sit, altum videtur	Nov 30 16:13
abeNd-org	Like I have a choice in the matter? :)	Nov 30 16:13
XRevan86	abeNd-org: Hypothetically or practically?	Nov 30 16:14
abeNd-org	Well, I don't want to die this very moment, but I know it will happen at some point	Nov 30 16:14
cubexyz	we lost _msb_ a while back	Nov 30 16:14
MinceR	Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum sonatur	Nov 30 16:14
XRevan86	cubexyz: Lingua Latina non penis canina est	Nov 30 16:14
abeNd-org	My only hope is it happens at the hand of some alient invasion	Nov 30 16:14
abeNd-org	-t	Nov 30 16:15
MinceR	yeah, when the rest of the human species is also terminated	Nov 30 16:15
cubexyz	you must try to avoid the hyacinthum screen mortis :)	Nov 30 16:15
XRevan86	cubexyz: Ho, Blua Ekrano de Morto	Nov 30 16:16
cubexyz	it used to be that you had to learn latin	Nov 30 16:18
cubexyz	not so much now	Nov 30 16:18
XRevan86	It used to be that you had to learn Greek	Nov 30 16:18
abeNd-org	cubexyz: hah, now a days in US schools it is "offensive" to teach English, much less any other language	Nov 30 16:18
XRevan86	It used to be that you had to learn French :)	Nov 30 16:18
abeNd-org	another decade or so & grunts will be about all school age children will be able to muster	Nov 30 16:19
cubexyz	in Canada you had to take 1 year of french	Nov 30 16:19
cubexyz	latin was voluntary	Nov 30 16:20
XRevan86	And Russians used to learn Church Slavonic	Nov 30 16:20
MinceR	it used to be that you couldn't learn any language even if you wanted to	Nov 30 16:21
MinceR	it used to be that life didn't exist on the planet	Nov 30 16:21
abeNd-org	ahh the good ole days	Nov 30 16:22
MinceR	they're coming back	Nov 30 16:22
XRevan86	MEGA	Nov 30 16:23
XRevan86	Make Earth Great Again	Nov 30 16:23
abeNd-org	haha	Nov 30 16:23
abeNd-org	wear that & you will be beaten	Nov 30 16:23
XRevan86	By the ULTRA gang? %)	Nov 30 16:23
MinceR	Make Earth Barren Again	Nov 30 16:23
abeNd-org	of course, it will probably be mostly by the "tolerant left" who would do most of the beating	Nov 30 16:24
XRevan86	"U Little Twat, Run Away"	Nov 30 16:24
MinceR	:)	Nov 30 16:24
schestowitz	[16:12] <XRevan86> cubexyz: Just to spice up a greeting %)	Nov 30 16:37
schestowitz	meatbags good	Nov 30 16:37
schestowitz	dirtball not as much, so pass the sauce	Nov 30 16:37
XRevan86	Hail Robots, Kill All Humans	Nov 30 16:38
*abeNd-org passes the taco bell diablo sauce		Nov 30 16:38
MinceR	EXTERMINATE	Nov 30 16:38
abeNd-org	you will, via chemical warfare	Nov 30 16:39
XRevan86	SEEK, LOCATE, DESTROY	Nov 30 16:39
MinceR	DELETE	Nov 30 16:41
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scientes	XRevan86, meh, there are much bigger environmental problems than basic smog	Nov 30 16:59
scientes	same in china	Nov 30 17:00
scientes	like water pollution, and in Russia USSR-era nuclear fallout	Nov 30 17:01
scientes	my local bay is polluted with mercury from bleaching paper	Nov 30 17:02
XRevan86	scientes: With the plank this low I may as well breath in nitrogen dioxide	Nov 30 17:06
scientes	here is the superfund sites in the US https://www.epa.gov/superfund/search-superfund-sites-where-you-live#map	Nov 30 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epa.gov \| Search for Superfund Sites Where You Live \| Superfund \| US EPA		Nov 30 17:06
cubexyz	shouldn't the use of paper be decreasing?	Nov 30 17:07
scientes	XRevan86, haha, I actually had an old-school Chemistry teacher and we did reactions that made nitrogen dioxide without a hood	Nov 30 17:07
abeNd-org	hahaha	Nov 30 17:07
cubexyz	what will all the ebooks and everything	Nov 30 17:07
scientes	cubexyz, they made only brown toilet paper for years before shutting down	Nov 30 17:07
scientes	but that doesn't take away the pollution	Nov 30 17:07
abeNd-org	i have a company that uses $100k/usd in printing every year between paper/printers/toner, & they are only ~100 people	Nov 30 17:07
abeNd-org	and they dont even want my company to review it to see what savings we can put in place for them because "printing is too important"	Nov 30 17:08
scientes	(this type of things will get you fired in the US, but he somehow got away with it, mainly because so few people choose to think----and he was such a good teacher, and I could just leave the class when this happened, so I wasn't going to persecute him)	Nov 30 17:09
scientes	like we made Asprin (acetylsalicylic acid)	Nov 30 17:10
cubexyz	ok, evidently printing and writing paper is declining (newsprint) but the raw tonnage of paper is still increasing	Nov 30 17:10
scientes	and people apparently need white toilet paper	Nov 30 17:10
scientes	instead of brown	Nov 30 17:10
scientes	/first world problems	Nov 30 17:11
abeNd-org	what about bidets(sp)?	Nov 30 17:11
cubexyz	more people == more paper I guess	Nov 30 17:11
MinceR	go invent the three seashells	Nov 30 17:11
abeNd-org	stop making more humans, especially if you arent taking care of them	Nov 30 17:12
cubexyz	re: bidets, that might not be a bad idea actually	Nov 30 17:12
cubexyz	never tried one	Nov 30 17:13
scientes	its cheaper to use soap, rather than toilet paper	Nov 30 17:13
abeNd-org	i can see bidets working for skinny people, but not for fat people, i wouldnt think it could do its job without a super powerful jet lol	Nov 30 17:15
scientes	oh, fat Americans and their schooters	Nov 30 17:15
scientes	skooters	Nov 30 17:15
scientes	but I will note that that problem is regional	Nov 30 17:15
scientes	my breakaway Republic of Cascadia does not have that problem :P	Nov 30 17:16
abeNd-org	no kidding fat americans (I am a little overweight, & that is my own fault, but im doing something about it currently)	Nov 30 17:16
abeNd-org	but i am "skinny" compared to most	Nov 30 17:16
scientes	same	Nov 30 17:16
cubexyz	just don't eat fast food :)	Nov 30 17:16
abeNd-org	cubexyz: & I am actively working out, weights+cardio 6 days a week	Nov 30 17:17
XRevan86	eat slowly food	Nov 30 17:17
XRevan86	and chew	Nov 30 17:17
*XRevan86 is taking the worst pun award from MinceR with pride.		Nov 30 17:17
MinceR	:)	Nov 30 17:17
cubexyz	abeNd-org, so how much time in hours per week?	Nov 30 17:18
cubexyz	I try to do 20 minutes on the stationary bike per day	Nov 30 17:18
cubexyz	not great, but better than nothing	Nov 30 17:18
abeNd-org	cubexyz: monday is upper body for about 30 minutes, tues lower body for about 30 min, wed is cardio for about 45, repeat. https://www.bodybuilding.com/workout-plans/about/bill-phillips-back-to-fit-12-week-trainer	Nov 30 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Phillips Back To Fit 12-Week Trainer \| Bodybuilding.com		Nov 30 17:19
abeNd-org	i am lucky and my cheap little apartment complex actually has a really nice Peloton bike trainer i use for the cardio part, those sessions really kick my arse	Nov 30 17:20
abeNd-org	cubexyz: any movement is better than couch potatoe!	Nov 30 17:20
cubexyz	yes	Nov 30 17:21
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abeNd-org	cubexyz: I have to use babymetal or some other high energy music to keep me going on upper/lower body days, the trainers on the peloton usually have cadence based music already picked out	Nov 30 17:57
cubexyz	yes, it can be a bit dull without something added	Nov 30 18:05
abeNd-org	weird al helps too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw&list=PLBvdvKDIsQZk1ySCDWDbn5ClWG3-Pq7mj&index=2	Nov 30 18:05
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18111222	Nov 30 18:56
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XRevan86	https://loadaverage.org/file/1f6e0106bb9bca9af7970682388a2c3ebf71cdc02d9a467d88da5a8f2ed9f18b.jpg	Nov 30 22:14
MinceR	"Stupid! Stupid Imp! You're stupid! And you're gonna be stupid and dead!"	Nov 30 22:15
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18111040	Dec 01 00:14
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DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Kernel-Hugs	Dec 01 00:54
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MinceR	DaemonFC[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogwgq7JsRtE	Dec 01 00:56
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DaemonFC[m]	https://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-has-a-huge-problem-dealing-with-critical-bugs-in-its-software-524055.shtml	Dec 01 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Microsoft Has a Huge Problem Dealing with Critical Bugs in Its Software		Dec 01 01:43
DaemonFC[m]	Microsoft's Windows 10 1809 disaster happened, in part, because they skipped the final phase of the test process and pushed it out to the stable channel.	Dec 01 01:43
MinceR	they do? i thought they didn't care	Dec 01 01:54
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scientes	http://xijinping.online/	Dec 01 05:44
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scientes	haha	Dec 01 05:45
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scientes	the CCP is a dirty cult	Dec 01 07:34
scientes	the veiled death threats...	Dec 01 07:38
scientes	(not that the US doesn't have cultish behavior...but at least we have freedoms)	Dec 01 07:40
scientes	although it is hard to understand freedoms when they are not denied...	Dec 01 07:42
scientes	chinese water pollution https://hk.news.appledaily.com/china/realtime/article/20181130/58977441	Dec 01 07:56
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/duplicates/a1tf0n/google_tried_to_patent_my_work_after_a_job/	Dec 01 09:44
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cubexyz	bl.sh	Dec 01 14:03
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MinceR	> but at least we have freedoms)	Dec 01 14:40
MinceR	and the government is working on getting rid of them :>	Dec 01 14:40
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/0CcM0Rx.png	Dec 01 14:48
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MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561120.jpg	Dec 01 15:41
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561108.jpg	Dec 01 16:16
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561061.jpg	Dec 01 17:08
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XRevan86	scientes: Talking about nitrogen dioxide: https://youtu.be/EQh_SQ4n1JE http://newstula.ru/fn_421263.html	Dec 01 19:46
XRevan86	fresh	Dec 01 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Щекиноазот лисий хвост! Ежедневные выбросы убивают население!! - YouTube		Dec 01 19:46
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scientes	XRevan86, damn	Dec 01 19:47
XRevan86	The second link has an official commentary	Dec 01 19:47
scientes	and also video	Dec 01 19:48
XRevan86	basically, it's within the norm	Dec 01 19:48
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scientes	this happened in my city https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJRwePrctGw and I saw it when it happened	Dec 01 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-C-SPAN Cities Tour- Bellingham: The Olympic Pipeline Explosion - YouTube		Dec 01 19:49
scientes	but yeah that nitrogen dioxide is pretty bad	Dec 01 19:49
XRevan86	scientes: Was that within the norm too?	Dec 01 19:50
scientes	no it only happened once	Dec 01 19:50
scientes	but it does happen all over the place quite often	Dec 01 19:50
scientes	yeah it is the norm...	Dec 01 19:50
scientes	just not reported	Dec 01 19:50
scientes	but only once in bellingham	Dec 01 19:50
XRevan86	"within the norm" I mean metrologically speaking	Dec 01 19:50
XRevan86	that's what they said, that the amounts of nitrogen dioxide did not exceed the norm	Dec 01 19:51
scientes	oh i c	Dec 01 19:51
scientes	that is even woorse	Dec 01 19:51
scientes	i posted this earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy3piCUPIkc	Dec 01 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why the Deadly Asbestos Industry is Still Alive and Well - YouTube		Dec 01 19:51
XRevan86	there was no malfunction and the factory operates properly	Dec 01 19:51
scientes	hopefully that isn't happening with radioactive waste	Dec 01 19:52
scientes	as I understand it happened during soviet times	Dec 01 19:53
XRevan86	scientes: I know about medical waste	Dec 01 19:53
scientes	well that is a huge problem in US too	Dec 01 19:53
scientes	another unreported one	Dec 01 19:53
XRevan86	that's treated criminally improperly in my home city	Dec 01 19:53
scientes	these are the problems of industrial economies	Dec 01 19:54
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scientes	also china stopped taking recyclables, as a way to blame foreigners for pollution	Dec 01 19:55
XRevan86	scientes: https://youtu.be/cy3piCUPIkc?t=189 these guys are so cute	Dec 01 19:57
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XRevan86	"Когда боишься, тогда всё и происходит." – https://youtu.be/wSKzLtRzY78?t=15	Dec 01 19:59
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scientes	yeah	Dec 01 19:59
scientes	I have lived in a house with asbestos siding, and it is not necessarily bad	Dec 01 20:01
scientes	but the deadly effects when misused cannot be white-washed	Dec 01 20:01
scientes	basically its similar to heavy metals in electronics, which were largely banned by RoHS	Dec 01 20:02
scientes	because we can live without it, we should	Dec 01 20:03
scientes	and hopefully RoHS makes electronics recycling less deadly that it currently is, over time	Dec 01 20:03
XRevan86	scientes: I take it that it's the asbest dust that's dangerous	Dec 01 20:03
scientes	correct	Dec 01 20:04
MinceR	we don't have good substitutes for asbestos like we don't have good substitutes for lead?	Dec 01 20:06
scientes	fiberglass	Dec 01 20:06
MinceR	so it's not like RoHS after all	Dec 01 20:08
scientes	its so stupid to pull of toxic stuff from the earth	Dec 01 20:10
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/561039.jpg	Dec 01 20:10
XRevan86	https://youtu.be/cy3piCUPIkc?t=641	Dec 01 20:10
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XRevan86	I want to know more about this casually hanging tilted Ukrainian flag somewhere in the US %).	Dec 01 20:11
scientes	yeah i was wondering what you were linking to	Dec 01 20:13
cubexyz	no reason to use asbestos	Dec 01 20:38
cubexyz	EPA banned it a long time ago	Dec 01 20:40
MinceR	didn't Agent Orange undo that recently though?	Dec 01 21:14
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cubexyz	wow MinceR you are right	Dec 01 22:29
cubexyz	just this year	Dec 01 22:29
cubexyz	asbestos is a carcinogen, I don't understand why it isn't banned 100%	Dec 01 22:32
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cubexyz	there are even pallets of asbestos with Trump's face stamped on it	Dec 01 22:35
cubexyz	bizarre	Dec 01 22:36
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/yml3tVY.gifv	Dec 01 22:45
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MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/560869.jpg	Dec 01 23:03
DaemonFC[m]	The library has a bunch of OpenBSD books.	Dec 01 23:10
DaemonFC[m]	I might read them. Concern over code quality is lacking in the GNU/Linux world lately and it shows.	Dec 01 23:11
DaemonFC[m]	The new CoC nonsense and allowing Microsoft to colonize seems to be more important.	Dec 01 23:11
MinceR	indeed	Dec 01 23:12
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18110521	Dec 01 23:27
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XRevan86	>> didn't Agent Orange undo that recently though?	Dec 01 23:27
XRevan86	> wow MinceR you are right, just this year	Dec 01 23:27
XRevan86	What the fsck…	Dec 01 23:27
XRevan86	https://slate.com/business/2018/08/the-trump-administration-is-not-bringing-back-asbestos.html found this	Dec 01 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slate.com \| The Trump administration is not bringing back asbestos.		Dec 01 23:50
XRevan86	Apparently the article's twist is that asbestos was not really banned before	Dec 01 23:53
XRevan86	> In 1989, the EPA tried to ban asbestos outright, under a 1976 law called the Toxic Substances Control Act. The phased prohibition was overturned by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in 1991, and the agency succeeded in halting only six then-obsolete uses of asbestos, including corrugated paper and flooring felt.	Dec 01 23:53
XRevan86	> What explains the cratering in asbestos use, even as the EPA had its hands tied by the 1991 court ruling? Health and liability issues. Because asbestos is so indisputably linked to cancer, asbestos lawsuits are a multibillion-dollar industry.	Dec 01 23:56
XRevan86	hah	Dec 01 23:56
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18102644	Dec 01 23:59
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