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cubexyzok, Shakespeare was 1600sNov 25 00:00
XRevan86English is very audibly ambiguous, which means it's easy to get off the rails of comprehensionNov 25 00:00
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18112333Nov 25 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectNov 25 00:01
cubexyzI think you said that BBC presenters were the easiest to understandNov 25 00:01
XRevan86cubexyz: Not necessarily, but they are comparatively easy to understand.Nov 25 00:02
cubexyzbubonic plague in 1609... might have ended Shakespeare's lifeNov 25 00:03
XRevan86basically, enunciation and no sound dropping is keyNov 25 00:03
cubexyzhis death is a bit of a mysteryNov 25 00:03
XRevan86cubexyz: his life is tooNov 25 00:04
cubexyzI think Shakespeares plays were modernized a bit regarding the spelling of wordsNov 25 00:06
cubexyzit would be interesting to see a 16XX versionNov 25 00:06
XRevan86The 13th Doctor drops T's completely in many cases, making mergers like prom/promptNov 25 00:06
XRevan86makes me guess a lotNov 25 00:06
cubexyzthe newest one? I haven't seen any of those yetNov 25 00:07
XRevan86cubexyz: yesNov 25 00:07
cubexyzI don't like H dropping or R Nov 25 00:08
XRevan86R dropping I find the most acceptableNov 25 00:09
XRevan86of all the droppingsNov 25 00:09
cubexyz"urricanes ardly hever appen"Nov 25 00:09
cubexyzH dropping and H insertion :-/Nov 25 00:09
XRevan86http://lib.pushkinskijdom.ru/Default.aspx?tabid=5103Nov 25 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lib.pushkinskijdom.ru | Электронная библиотека ИРЛИ РАН > Собрания текстов > Библиотека литературы Древней Руси > Том 9 > Сказание о князьях владимирскихNov 25 00:10
XRevan86XVI centuryNov 25 00:10
XRevan86> Текст: ОригиналNov 25 00:10
XRevan86I can still read it :3Nov 25 00:10
cubexyz16th centuryNov 25 00:10
cubexyzwith all your historical knowledge it's a pity you don't like ancient C language more :)Nov 25 00:11
XRevan86but it's for sure heavily datedNov 25 00:11
XRevan86cubexyz: I don't have exceptional historical knowledge thoughNov 25 00:12
XRevan86https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_1720%2C_%E2%84%96_27_%2814_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%8F%29.pdfNov 25 00:13
XRevan861720Nov 25 00:13
XRevan86and this I can read easilyNov 25 00:14
cubexyz1720Nov 25 00:15
XRevan86> Ведомости; Сего мая 2 дня, Его Царское Величество высокою особою своею изволил быть в апартаментах коллегии инностранных дел, где допущен к Его Величеству на приватную аудиенцию, прибившей от…Nov 25 00:16
XRevan86* прибывшейNov 25 00:16
XRevan86^ same text with orthography updatesNov 25 00:17
XRevan86works as modern Russian with poshnessNov 25 00:17
XRevan86> санктЪпiтербурхъ.Nov 25 00:19
XRevan86I only now noticed thisNov 25 00:19
MinceR:)Nov 25 00:19
cubexyzevidently the printing press lead to the decreasing of language variabilityNov 25 00:20
XRevan86Питербурх (Piterburkh) → Петербург (Peterburg)Nov 25 00:20
XRevan86cubexyz: In this case the bigger factor is the shift of Russian literature from trying to look like Old Church Slavonic to using the more then contemporary language.Nov 25 00:22
XRevan86albeit the printing press did set up a styleNov 25 00:22
XRevan86I don't actually know but I suspect that it looked posh even four centuries ago :)Nov 25 00:23
cubexyzmodern speech seems to be degeneratingNov 25 00:24
cubexyzeven within my lifetimeNov 25 00:24
cubexyznot so much with writing but with speechNov 25 00:25
XRevan86cubexyz: I didn't notice thatNov 25 00:28
XRevan86cubexyz: Could be that openness of the modern world has only revealed what was hidden before.Nov 25 00:28
XRevan86cubexyz: For instance, in the 80s you could'n've heard someone like me talk in English :)Nov 25 00:29
cubexyza double contractionNov 25 00:31
cubexyzI don't think I've seen that beforeNov 25 00:31
cubexyz:)Nov 25 00:31
XRevan86cubexyz: Very common amongst languages of the worldNov 25 00:31
XRevan86including RussianNov 25 00:31
XRevan86English doesn't exist in isolation, so inevitably stuff like that gets in.Nov 25 00:33
XRevan86Никто (No one) ничего (nothing) не сделал (did not).Nov 25 00:34
XRevan86→ No one did a thing.Nov 25 00:34
cubexyzok, there's a wikipedia page for english double contractionsNov 25 00:34
XRevan86ah, oops, I read it as "double contradiction" %)Nov 25 00:35
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cubexyzyes, there's even triple onesNov 25 00:36
XRevan86I should probably stop using thoseNov 25 00:36
XRevan86because apparently I do not spell them correctly :DNov 25 00:36
XRevan86* couldn't'veNov 25 00:37
cubexyzas an example of degenerate english I present: cuz for becauseNov 25 00:37
XRevan86cubexyz: C'mon, dats just leetspeakNov 25 00:38
cubexyzI've even heard russian english speakers use itNov 25 00:38
XRevan86probably as an imitationNov 25 00:39
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashchenism oh wow, a whole articleNov 25 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kashchenism - WikipediaNov 25 00:40
XRevan86from the fidonet times, yet it is still very much a thingNov 25 00:41
XRevan86Terms like ФГМ (FGM, can be translated as Cerebral Phimosis) are a part of the modern Russian Internet jargon %)Nov 25 00:43
XRevan86and especially its variation ПГМ (PGM, Cerebral Orthodoxy)Nov 25 00:43
XRevan86(only in the religious sense)Nov 25 00:45
XRevan86I think I went off track. Informal language is everywhere, even non-native speakers will attempt to use it.Nov 25 00:50
XRevan86as a way to show one's own mindset on things, for instanceNov 25 00:50
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_does_one_patch_KDE2_under_FreeBSD%3FNov 25 00:52
XRevan86ah, yes, the famous https://bash.im/quote/42Nov 25 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | How does one patch KDE2 under FreeBSD? - WikipediaNov 25 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bash.im | ??? #42 ? ???? ???Nov 25 00:52
cubexyzbizarreNov 25 00:53
XRevan86cubexyz: Because #42? :)Nov 25 00:54
XRevan86There you go, the Ultimate QuestionNov 25 00:54
cubexyzKDE2 was ummm... 2000 to 2001 Nov 25 00:56
XRevan86and the question is from 2004, yes :)Nov 25 00:56
cubexyzit would have been a bit odd to use KDE2 in 2004Nov 25 00:57
XRevan86maybe KDE 3.0 != KDE3Nov 25 00:58
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18112312Nov 25 00:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectNov 25 00:58
XRevan86some people still use KDE 4 to this dayNov 25 00:58
MinceRthe poor sodsNov 25 00:58
XRevan86https://linux.org.ru/gallery/screenshots/14424668 A screenshot from 2018-08-25Nov 25 01:00
XRevan86they exist %)Nov 25 01:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru | PisiLinux 1.2 и актуальный софт — Скриншоты — ГалереяNov 25 01:00
cubexyzslackware had some version of KDE4Nov 25 01:01
XRevan86hideous, yesNov 25 01:01
XRevan86So it's been 4 years since KDE Plasma 5.0 was releasedNov 25 01:02
MinceRwhich is even worseNov 25 01:13
XRevan86Interestingly, recently some Ukrainian words have entered Russian Internet slang, and some big YouTube channels like BadComedian and ANOIR, when use clips, use clips with the Ukrainian dubbing.Nov 25 01:16
XRevan86All the focus on Ukraine from the state propaganda has some unexpected consequences :)Nov 25 01:17
XRevan86Ukrainian definitely sounds funny and even vulgar to a Great Russian ear, but that's exactly what any slang longs for :PNov 25 01:20
MinceR:)Nov 25 01:21
MinceRhttps://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aKx220O_460svvp9.webmNov 25 01:43
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DaemonFC[m]I don't really look forward  to big number bumps in my desktop software.Nov 25 02:52
DaemonFC[m]It just means that shit is broken again and it'll take years to fix all the bugs.Nov 25 02:53
DaemonFC[m]I just use what's least broken for me.Nov 25 02:56
DaemonFC[m]I've been back and forth between desktops over the years, but GNOME definitely gets the most money and corporate sponsorships.Nov 25 02:57
DaemonFC[m]And unfortunately, that seems to be what it takes to get common use cases supported.Nov 25 02:57
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Some guy, maybe 16, asked me what a Zune is.Nov 25 03:03
DaemonFC[m]While we were out to eat.Nov 25 03:03
DaemonFC[m]I said, "It was this mp3 player from Microsoft and nobody bought them.".Nov 25 03:04
DaemonFC[m]So I thought that was the end of it.Nov 25 03:04
DaemonFC[m]He asks me what an mp3 player is.Nov 25 03:04
schestowitzx https://gizmodo.com/why-do-laptop-makers-have-such-terrible-websites-1830499398Nov 25 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-storybreak stars');background-repeat:no-repeat;background-position:center}.editor .editor-inner div.legacy-raw-html,.post-content div.legacy-raw-html{border:3px solid #eeb544;padding:5px;margin-bottom:20px}.editor .editor-inner div.legacy-raw-html:before,.post-content div.legacy-raw-html:before{content:'Before this post can be saved, this block must be removed.';font-size:12px;display:inline-block}.editor .editor-inner div.lega ...Nov 25 04:40
schestowitz# apologists for bad designNov 25 04:40
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schestowitzkaniini: pungNov 25 04:46
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kaniinischestowitz: will be coming up in a few hours.  taking a break from server stuff atmNov 25 05:10
schestowitzkaniini: coolNov 25 05:34
schestowitzhttps://www.c4labs.com/product/presale-pine64-cluster-case-pine64-clusterboard-with-7-sopine-compute-module-slots/Nov 25 05:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PRESALE - PINE64 Cluster Case - PINE64 CLUSTERBOARD with 7 SOPine Compute Module Slots - C4LabsNov 25 05:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Logitech High Resolution Scrolling Support Dropped From Linux 4.20http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117806 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c080f0bc-fc68-4787-b7fe-79e40a29f1e3]Nov 25 05:44
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 25/11/2018: DXVK 0.93 and Frogr 1.5 Released http://techrights.org/2018/11/25/frogr-1-5-released/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/3da7d112-b058-4efa-a9e8-5da541f7d497]Nov 25 06:56
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #FreeBSD 12.0-RC2 Now Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117817 [https://pleroma.site/objects/57e77307-8f0b-4f3f-849b-f21db81d7c38]Nov 25 12:59
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/news/a42736/how-long-iphone-supposed-to-last-apple/Nov 25 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cosmopolitan.com | How Long Is An iPhone Supposed To LastNov 25 18:21
DaemonFC[m]About three years according to Apple.Nov 25 18:21
DaemonFC[m]Even if the iPhone X lasts longer, which it won't, the price is now well in excess of $1,000, so you'd still not be saving any money on the cost of ownership.Nov 25 18:22
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/NYMJGzh.jpgNov 25 19:08
XRevan86- No, I'm from Kerch.Nov 25 19:29
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/561571.jpgNov 25 19:54
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/aWMLBP1.gifvNov 25 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | An incredible CATchNov 25 20:19
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/561567.jpgNov 25 20:40
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/561365.jpgNov 25 22:33
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 25/11/2018: Pisi Linux 2.1, Linux 4.20 RC4 http://techrights.org/2018/11/25/pisi-linux-2-1/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/ef11d764-ec8a-48e7-9632-b17ae1b3f892]Nov 26 02:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Java, Python, and RQuantLib (CRAN) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117831 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6a2fdae4-6e57-428e-a3d2-9177fbf065cf]Nov 26 03:11
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Using Calibre To Keep Your Digital Library and Linux Action News 81 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117834 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4d2625a3-7112-41d1-b5d0-17c61ae2f5fa]Nov 26 05:27
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Server: Five Ways to Look at IBM Buying Red Hat, SUSE Talking OpenStack http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117835 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9a0e7725-5dc4-4f4b-997e-a9ce436921a1]Nov 26 05:34
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Mixing Languages and Python News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117839 [https://pleroma.site/objects/130ccf72-0d2b-4ec8-954d-2997b61fed25]Nov 26 08:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: I've got 99 problems but Linux ain't one http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117840 #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/98705712-1011-4c60-9bcb-f0dd6c37f342]Nov 26 08:48
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #OpenSnitch and today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117841 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b9c2c4ce-db16-4ed8-8461-fb8cb278a719]Nov 26 08:49
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Debian Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117842 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1b20dfed-2f37-41ab-9806-30c155e52e60]Nov 26 08:51
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MinceRhttp://wumo.com/wumo/2018/08/19Nov 26 15:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wumo 19. Aug 2018 | WumoNov 26 15:25
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Shouldn't it be iamgroot?Nov 26 15:40
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Nov 26 15:41
DaemonFC[m]Groot was foiled in setting up a wifi password because the system policy required at least one number and one special character.Nov 26 15:41
DaemonFC[m]"Damn you Windows XP!!!!"Nov 26 15:41
DaemonFC[m]"With Service Pack 2!"Nov 26 15:42
oiaohmhttp://wumo.com/wumo/2018/11/17  <<With the bank royal commission in Australia this one is turning out so true.Nov 26 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wumo 17. Nov 2018 | WumoNov 26 15:55
oiaohmYes banks in Australia have had to refund charged fees for services the customer never got.Nov 26 15:55
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: I am trying to remember what version of windows did the one that if wifi password did not meet system policy that it set a blank password.Nov 26 15:58
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/wifi-user-name-and-password-are-cleared-before-i/863d89be-2a49-45ed-a8e4-f09171c3eaa2  The windows 10 bug I will not take wifi password until you work out how to beat up the network stack.Nov 26 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com | Wifi user name and password are cleared before I can enter them - Microsoft CommunityNov 26 16:00
MinceRbackdoors10 also likes to phone home and report wifi passwordsNov 26 16:03
MinceRso does Backdoors Phone, iircNov 26 16:03
DaemonFC[m]https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/23/john-walker-lindh-detainee-001-in-the-global-war-on-terror-will-go-free-in-two-years-what-then/Nov 26 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foreignpolicy.com | John Walker Lindh, Detainee #001 in the Global War On Terror, Will Go Free In Two Years. What Then? – Foreign PolicyNov 26 16:06
DaemonFC[m]It's unbelievable that they would even consider letting this guy out.Nov 26 16:06
DaemonFC[m]Nobody would hire him, so he has no job prospects. He has no education. What do they expect he'll do?Nov 26 16:06
DaemonFC[m]Best case is someone kills him and doesn't get caught because he has never renounced radical Islam and we're already dealing with about one mass shooting per day. Nov 26 16:08
DaemonFC[m]I think it's very likely that he'll end up doing something else. These people want to die and they want to kill a lot of people on the way out.Nov 26 16:09
DaemonFC[m]They should have given him a lethal injection already.Nov 26 16:09
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DaemonFC[m]According to the article, there's about 90 others that the government is just going to let out of prison around the same time. Are you fucking kidding me?Nov 26 16:10
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DaemonFC[m]"It’s difficult to create a one-size-fits-all rehabilitation program for extremists because there are so few of these cases and each one is unique, said a former U.S. attorney"Nov 26 16:12
MinceRdo you trust your government to give anyone the death penalty?Nov 26 16:12
DaemonFC[m]Not really. Most of them fit a profile. Not particularly intelligent. Nothing to live for.Nov 26 16:12
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yeah.Nov 26 16:13
DaemonFC[m]They gave the federal death sentence to Dylann Roof.Nov 26 16:13
MinceRwhy?Nov 26 16:13
MinceRthey're hilariously incompetentNov 26 16:13
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DaemonFC[m]For the church shooting. He might be borderline retarded though, having read some of the details of his case. Nov 26 16:13
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: There's not really much of a movement to end the federal death sentence. Mainly because it's rarely used. Nov 26 16:14
DaemonFC[m]Most of the people who get it are terrorists who admit what they did and said they aren't sorry for it and don't appeal the sentence.Nov 26 16:15
DaemonFC[m]It's not really so easy for prosecutors to get a death sentence handed down. A jury has to convict and then it moves to the sentencing phase and 12 people in a different jury havee to vote unanimously to impose it.Nov 26 16:16
DaemonFC[m]Most of the states that have gotten rid of it made the argument on cost concerns.Nov 26 16:17
DaemonFC[m]There's so many appeals that it takes 20 years or more to get to the execution and they're just sitting there in prison the whole time and costing the system a ton of money. A lot of them die waiting to die. Nov 26 16:18
DaemonFC[m]California's death row has ballooned to 744 prisoners and the state hasn't been able to execute a single one of them in 12 years. Nov 26 16:19
DaemonFC[m]Even in California, where there's like a million constitutional amendment proposals on the ballot in every election because of the citizen initiative, they couldn't repeal the death sentence.Nov 26 16:20
DaemonFC[m]The majority don't want these people back out on their streets.Nov 26 16:21
DaemonFC[m]One reason the state is so fucked up is because anyone's hare-brained idea can end up on the ballot, and quite a few of the proposals pass, and a lot of them have created severe unintended consequences. Nov 26 16:21
DaemonFC[m]To name just one example, a few decades ago, there was an initiative to freeze property taxes on people who owned a home. The problem was that the wording only applied to people who currently owned a home when the initiative passed.Nov 26 16:22
DaemonFC[m]So there's still people paying property taxes at the level they were paying in the 80s, and the local governments can only raise taxes on people who became home owners after that.Nov 26 16:23
DaemonFC[m]So it created a lopsided system where people who owned a home then are paying 1/4th or 1/5th of the property taxes as someone who buys a house now.Nov 26 16:23
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: You put something up for a vote that lets people live off their neighbors, it's gonna pass.Nov 26 16:25
MinceRyeah, like elections :>Nov 26 16:26
DaemonFC[m]In a way, that's probably why Governor-Elect Pritzker in Illinois was inevitable.Nov 26 16:26
DaemonFC[m]Not only was outgoing Governor Rauner a total failure, but Pritzker's campaign promises was more free shit for various people. Nov 26 16:26
DaemonFC[m]It caused a surge of voters who all wanted more entitlements (mostly for people who have kids without the means to pay for them).Nov 26 16:27
DaemonFC[m]It's the oldest trick in the book.Nov 26 16:27
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: And the state's dead broke already.Nov 26 16:28
DaemonFC[m]Using GAAP accounting, the state's deficit last year was $15 billion.Nov 26 16:28
DaemonFC[m]If Pritzker implements every promise he made during the election, taxes would have to double.Nov 26 16:28
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The state has a balanced budget amendment in the Constitution, but hasn't had a balanced budget in 16 years.Nov 26 16:29
DaemonFC[m]They "balance it" at the beginning of the year by assuming revenues that won't happen and then they run out of money and sell more bonds.Nov 26 16:29
DaemonFC[m]They've budgeted for selling the Thompson Center in Chicago for $300 billion dollars in each of the last 5 budgets. Nobody is offering to buy the building. Next year they'll budget for selling it, again.Nov 26 16:30
DaemonFC[m]Errr $300 million, rather. Nov 26 16:31
DaemonFC[m]They just pepper over the budget with things like that until it balances, and they use non-GAAP accounting so the deficit is "only" $1.5 billion.Nov 26 16:31
DaemonFC[m]So it "balances" quickly that way.Nov 26 16:31
DaemonFC[m]The state's "rainy day fund" has enough money in it to run state government operations for....six minutes.Nov 26 16:32
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DaemonFC[m]It's a mystery how Chicago has managed to lure so many new businesses here.Nov 26 16:33
DaemonFC[m]You'd think that with the budget out of whack at the city, county, and state levels that businesses would find somewhere with a stable outlook to set up operations.Nov 26 16:33
DaemonFC[m]If there is a state in the US that's the most like Greece, it would be Illinois.Nov 26 16:34
DaemonFC[m]Bad budgets. Corrupt politicians. Bloated government agencies where nobody does any real work and they have a job for life.Nov 26 16:34
DaemonFC[m]The Indiana suburbs are growing. People can commute to work in Chicago for the day and then go back and pay Indiana taxes to live there. Nov 26 16:36
DaemonFC[m]If you're saving $4,000 a year on your property taxes alone....Nov 26 16:36
DaemonFC[m]A bunch of Democrats say they won't vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker.Nov 26 16:37
DaemonFC[m]Trump tweeted that she deserves to be their Speaker and if they can't get enough Democrats to vote for her, that "We may give her some Republican votes.".Nov 26 16:37
DaemonFC[m]Technically, it's allowed. Nov 26 16:38
DaemonFC[m]The last time a vote for the other party's Speaker happened was 2000 when Jim Traficant of Ohio (later convicted on corruption charges) voted for the Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois (later convicted of financial and securities fraud and molesting teenagers when he was a high school coach).Nov 26 16:40
DaemonFC[m]At the time, the Democrats punished Traficant for his vote by stripping him of his seniority and all of his committee assignments.Nov 26 16:41
MinceRthis would make that president-less scenario even funnierNov 26 16:42
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I think Trump is serious about leaning on the Republicans to support Pelosi.Nov 26 16:44
DaemonFC[m]He thinks it'll damage the Democratic party in two ways. One, she's not a popular "face" for the party, and two, it would be humilating that her Speakership relied on votes from Republicans to get her past 218.Nov 26 16:45
DaemonFC[m]Once the vote is finished, the Democrats are stuck with whoever gets chosen until they die, resign, there's a new session of Congress, or they have a candidate and the votes to replace her. Nov 26 16:47
DaemonFC[m]There was a case (in the 1800s, I think) where there was no Speaker for the first two months of the new Congress.Nov 26 16:47
DaemonFC[m]They had 133 votes before anyone won.Nov 26 16:48
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MinceRhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Kemuri_my_bby.jpgNov 26 21:24
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18112226Nov 26 22:24
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XRevan86MinceR: What for?Nov 26 22:34
MinceRXRevan86: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/poop-knifeNov 26 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-knowyourmeme.com | Poop Knife | Know Your MemeNov 26 22:36
XRevan86MinceR: huhNov 26 22:38
MinceRalso, https://imgur.com/gallery/13ZcKNov 26 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Time to learn about a real poop knife - Album on ImgurNov 26 22:44
XRevan86> He can speak French...in RussianNov 26 22:49
XRevan86huhNov 26 22:49
*XRevan86 tries his best with his ImaginationNov 26 22:50
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18112127Nov 26 23:09
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r_schestowitzMinceR: I did not know this memeNov 27 02:02
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XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gay_Science English has certainly changed.Nov 27 10:03
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XRevan86cubexyz: You spoke of language degradation? :)Nov 27 10:05
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/yBYXBut.jpgNov 27 16:10
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MinceRhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtA5dEwXoAIir0Q.jpg:largeNov 27 19:22
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schestowitzkaniini: Tracy is reminding me we need to make progressNov 27 20:52
schestowitzhe is paying for the space just to keep our sites goingNov 27 20:52
cubexyzXRevan86, I haven't read anything by Nietzsche reallyNov 27 21:04
XRevan86cubexyz: I was just making a dumb remark about the title %)Nov 27 21:04
XRevan86and how its meaning has shifted with timeNov 27 21:04
cubexyzXRevan86, have you ever seen The Flintstones cartoon?Nov 27 21:05
cubexyzthat was only back in the 1960sNov 27 21:05
XRevan86How them euphemisms occupy the original words in time :)Nov 27 21:05
XRevan86cubexyz: I haveNov 27 21:06
XRevan86cubexyz: I haven't enjoyed it thoughNov 27 21:06
XRevan86I guess me-kid couldn't find a reason why this sitcom in American suburbs is trying to look like pseudo-scientific prehistoric timesNov 27 21:07
XRevan86I still can't :)Nov 27 21:08
cubexyzwell it's based on the Honeymooners showNov 27 21:08
XRevan86that I didn't seeNov 27 21:09
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_HoneymoonersNov 27 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Honeymooners - WikipediaNov 27 21:09
cubexyza lot of cartoon stuff is derived from real actorsNov 27 21:10
kaniinischestowitz: ok let me see what i can do to get it upNov 27 21:11
cubexyzlanguage drift is interesting thoughNov 27 21:13
cubexyz"23 skiddoo"Nov 27 21:14
cubexyz"the bee's knees"Nov 27 21:14
cubexyz"can you dig it?" :)Nov 27 21:16
XRevan86I like "Godspeed"Nov 27 21:16
XRevan86cubexyz: I don't dig those expressions you've mentioned %)Nov 27 21:17
XRevan8623 skiddoo? What does that even mean?Nov 27 21:17
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_skidoo_(phrase) huhNov 27 21:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 23 skidoo (phrase) - WikipediaNov 27 21:18
cubexyzthere's a wikipedia... ok you found it alreadyNov 27 21:18
cubexyzvery old slang... 1920s I thinkNov 27 21:18
XRevan86seems to be phased outNov 27 21:19
cubexyzyeah no one talks like that nowNov 27 21:19
XRevan86A numerical expression is an interesting thing on its own :)Nov 27 21:19
cubexyz"what's the diff?"Nov 27 21:21
cubexyzeach decade seems to have its own slang expressionsNov 27 21:21
XRevan86all numerical expressions I've heard cover something forbiddenNov 27 21:21
XRevan86cubexyz: What's the "diff -paur a b"?Nov 27 21:22
XRevan864:20, 14/88, 228, 282Nov 27 21:22
cubexyzmerely a contraction of "what's the difference?"Nov 27 21:22
XRevan86narcotics and extremismNov 27 21:22
XRevan86cubexyz: "diff" have a strong association with "patch" for me :)Nov 27 21:24
XRevan86* hasNov 27 21:24
kaniinischestowitz: can i getNov 27 21:25
kaniinischestowitz: ifconfig output on techrights.org and tuxmachines.orgNov 27 21:25
kaniinischestowitz: need the MAC addressesNov 27 21:26
cubexyzXRevan86, diff is in Unix v5Nov 27 21:26
XRevan86cubexyz: Not surprisingNov 27 21:26
kaniiniwaitNov 27 21:27
kaniinii can get them from the imageNov 27 21:27
cubexyzXRevan86, even though Unix v5 is pretty small, that's one program I haven't looked at Nov 27 21:29
XRevan86cubexyz: You mean, like analysed it or like ever used diff before? %)Nov 27 21:30
cubexyzI've used diff in Linux to create patch filesNov 27 21:30
XRevan86I got worried for a second :DNov 27 21:31
cubexyzin the old days it used ed format to show the differencesNov 27 21:34
cubexyzI guess it still canNov 27 21:37
cubexyzdiff --edNov 27 21:37
cubexyzyou see things were botched up by the AT&T lawyersNov 27 21:41
cubexyzthere was an educational license for Research Unix around 1973/1974Nov 27 21:41
cubexyzfor $200 you got the source code to play around withNov 27 21:42
cubexyzor $150Nov 27 21:43
cubexyzI might have the original license somewhereNov 27 21:43
kaniinituxmachines.org image is even more whackNov 27 21:45
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cubexyzhere it is:Nov 27 21:46
cubexyzhttp://maxhost.org/other/unix-6th-edition-license.pdfNov 27 21:46
cubexyzok, that one said $150 but they kept increasing it over timeNov 27 21:47
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1811149Nov 27 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectNov 27 21:47
schestowitzkaniini: ah, excellentNov 27 21:58
schestowitztessier might know network settings better, kaniiniNov 27 21:58
kaniininetwork settings are whackNov 27 21:59
kaniinii have to redo the techrights imageNov 27 21:59
kaniinituxrights, idkNov 27 21:59
kaniinii need to figure out how to get into that oneNov 27 21:59
kaniinido you know the root passwordNov 27 21:59
kaniinito either of theseNov 27 21:59
schestowitzfor the server I use sudo with my usernameNov 27 21:59
schestowitzbut I guess cemtos has 'proper' rootNov 27 22:00
schestowitztessier would know, I have the mysql root account details, now for the whole imageNov 27 22:00
schestowitz /s/now/notNov 27 22:03
XRevan86cubexyz: I'm glad in the present we have free software licences.Nov 27 22:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 4.19.5, 4.14.84, 4.9.141, 4.4.165, and 3.18.127 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117892 [https://pleroma.site/objects/43249aee-4f3f-4d0b-b2fa-ed496cb26b0d]Nov 27 22:11
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kaniiniokNov 27 22:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Plasma 5.14.4 Desktop Environment Released with 45 Changes, Update Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117894 [https://pleroma.site/objects/72d6e5c6-ad38-4199-a5a0-b6ba1796982f]Nov 27 22:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat buys hybrid-cloud, data-storage company NooBaa http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117895 [https://pleroma.site/objects/12e542aa-5302-4586-865b-e29739951df1]Nov 27 22:19
schestowitzkaniini: thanks for putting the time into it, I really appreciate itNov 27 22:21
schestowitzI can sort things out over ssh when it's runningNov 27 22:21
kaniinischestowitz: it appears techrights is up at 199.19.78.19Nov 27 22:24
kaniinischestowitz: please let me know if you can get into itNov 27 22:25
schestowitzcool, let me tryNov 27 22:29
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/561452.jpgNov 27 22:30
schestowitzkaniini:  I'm in \0/Nov 27 22:31
kaniiniokNov 27 22:31
schestowitzlooks identical Nov 27 22:31
schestowitzpartitions and allNov 27 22:31
schestowitzwife and I will check and verify, count files etcNov 27 22:32
schestowitzloads up the pages ok http://199.19.78.19/?storiesNov 27 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-199.19.78.19 | Techrights | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedomNov 27 22:35
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schestowitzhttp://199.19.78.19/wiki/index.php/Main_PageNov 27 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-199.19.78.19 | Main Page - TechrightsNov 27 22:39
schestowitzhandles the load OK so far :-)Nov 27 22:39
schestowitzwill stress-test it tomorrowNov 27 22:39
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kaniinischestowitz: tuxmachines will be .20Nov 27 23:26
kaniinii need to figure out how to get into it thoughNov 27 23:27
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schestowitzkaniini: I have asked for days off workNov 28 05:22
schestowitzkaniini: we will work on the site and prepare things, I am very much relieved now :-)Nov 28 05:23
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scientesMinceR, are you the australian i remember?Nov 28 05:56
scientesin this channelNov 28 05:57
XRevan86scientes: no, he's HungarianNov 28 06:10
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XRevan86Though I am not sure what is meant by "*the* australian" %)Nov 28 06:14
MinceRscientes: noNov 28 06:34
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scientesthere use to be an australian that hung out in this channel years agoNov 28 06:38
scientesI wanted to note that I noticed the Australian parliment was unable to pass a bill that banned use of harvested human organs, because of pressure by ChinaNov 28 06:39
scientesXRevan86, good pointNov 28 06:39
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XRevan86scientes: Well, oiaohm is Australian.Nov 28 07:01
amarsh04and I am AustralianNov 28 07:45
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scientesyeah it was oiaohm Nov 28 08:36
scientesi just remembered him telling me that australia has mandatory votingNov 28 08:36
scientesmaybe it should add mandatory organ harvesting of MPs too /sNov 28 08:37
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oiaohmscientes: https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp0809/09rp11#opt  On going debate if organ donation should remain opt in or be changed to opt out system.Nov 28 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aph.gov.au | The future of organ donation in Australia: moving beyond the ‘gift of life’ – Parliament of AustraliaNov 28 11:03
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schestowitzscientes: welcome backNov 28 11:27
schestowitzlong time... like a decade?Nov 28 11:27
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/561391.jpgNov 28 14:31
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schestowitzFYINov 28 18:00
schestowitz-------- Forwarded Message --------Nov 28 18:00
schestowitzSubject: [devuan] Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!Nov 28 18:00
schestowitzDate: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 23:57:21 +0100Nov 28 18:00
schestowitzFrom: Subscribe to receive announcements about DevuanNov 28 18:00
schestowitz<devuan-announce@lists.dyne.org>Nov 28 18:00
schestowitzReply-To: onelove@devuan.org, devuan-announce@lists.dyne.orgNov 28 18:00
schestowitzTo: devuan-announce@lists.dyne.orgNov 28 18:00
schestowitzDear Init Freedom Lovers,Nov 28 18:00
schestowitzOn the fourth anniversary of the birth of Devuan,Nov 28 18:00
schestowitzonce again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz# Participate to the first Devuan Conference in Amsterdam!Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz## From Friday, April 5th through Sunday, April 7th 2019Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz# The power of choiceNov 28 18:00
schestowitzThe Devuan Conference 2019 is a not-for-profit event, this means thatNov 28 18:00
schestowitzthe conference fees will cover the bare cost of venue, catering,Nov 28 18:01
schestowitzlogistics and documentation materials.Nov 28 18:01
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The First Benchmarks Of The Intel-Powered ODROID-H2 $111 Board http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/117917 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8ed35fee-3b46-4165-a8fa-fb7460318040]Nov 28 18:28
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XRevan86schestowitz: Weird, but I suppose it must be fun :)Nov 28 18:54
XRevan86schestowitz: I bet no serious business corporate person will go there, making it a geeky even.Nov 28 18:55
XRevan86https://pleroma.site/notice/9310979 non-newsNov 28 20:21
XRevan86Python will be RHEL 8, they just decided to not have an unversioned /usr/bin/pythonNov 28 20:21
XRevan86meh, if I were to use RHEL 8, I wouldn't have cared.Nov 28 20:22
MinceRwhatNov 28 20:33
MinceRoh, you mean rHELL decided to break pythonNov 28 20:33
MinceRwell, i don't care about that eitherNov 28 20:33
XRevan86Doesn't really break anythingNov 28 20:38
MinceRexcept for every script that relies in standard behavior regarding the shebang line or otherwiseNov 28 20:39
MinceRhttps://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/Nov 28 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PEP 394 -- The "python" Command on Unix-Like Systems | Python.orgNov 28 20:40
MinceRi guess ibm is like microsoft, standards don't apply to themNov 28 20:40
XRevan86MinceR: Expecting /usr/bin/python to be anything compatible reliably has not been a good practice for yearsNov 28 20:40
MinceRthat's irrelevantNov 28 20:40
XRevan86MinceR: Like they said, the standard may change later in time, yet IBM^W RHEL will have to stick to what they picked now.Nov 28 20:42
MinceRno, they won'tNov 28 20:43
XRevan86and it's not a bad point, RHEL 8's support will surpass Python 2's by far, unless IBM kills it off of course.Nov 28 20:43
MinceRall ibm/rh needs to do is ensure their scripts specify explicitly python2 or python3Nov 28 20:43
XRevan86MinceR: And that's exactly what they do.Nov 28 20:43
MinceRincluding the scripts they packageNov 28 20:43
MinceRno, that has nothing to do with messing with /usr/bin/pythonNov 28 20:44
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XRevan86MinceR: What will the PEPs say when Python 2.7's support is dropped?Nov 28 20:44
XRevan86That /usr/bin/python should refer to python3?Nov 28 20:44
XRevan86Well, that'll be too late for RHEL 8, it already has it at python2 in that hypothetical worldNov 28 20:45
XRevan86(where they stick to PEP 0394)Nov 28 20:45
MinceRmaybe it will, maybe it won't changeNov 28 20:46
MinceRproperly written python programs and shell scripts that call them will be unaffected either wayNov 28 20:46
XRevan86Well, that's my point.Nov 28 20:47
MinceRis it?Nov 28 20:47
XRevan86that it doesn't actually matter that they did thatNov 28 20:47
XRevan86> What, No Python in RHEL 8 Beta? RedHat aka IBM (soon) explains why.Nov 28 20:49
MinceRactually it doesNov 28 20:49
XRevan86And that this is misleadingNov 28 20:49
MinceRnot everything that people want to run on an OS is shipped with that OSNov 28 20:49
MinceReven if that OS happens to be utter crap, like rHELLNov 28 20:49
XRevan86MinceR: If some script from 2007 is affected, it should be fixed regardless.Nov 28 20:49
XRevan86after all, a regex can handle thatNov 28 20:49
MinceRyes it shouldNov 28 20:50
MinceRbut ibm shouldn't break it in defiance of PEP 394Nov 28 20:50
XRevan86it's not a holy scriptNov 28 20:50
XRevan86They acknowledge *right in* the PEP that Arch doesn't do that.Nov 28 20:51
MinceRarch is garbage as wellNov 28 20:51
MinceRlet me check my handy little tableNov 28 20:51
XRevan86and don't make a statement about thatNov 28 20:51
XRevan86if they were to write "Arch does it, don't be like Arch", I would've read it differentlyNov 28 20:51
MinceRarch is 3 poetterings more shitty than rHELLNov 28 20:51
MinceRand 3 poetterings less shitty than fedoraNov 28 20:51
XRevan86MinceR: Really? Why is it more poetterings than RHEL?Nov 28 20:52
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#AdoptionNov 28 20:52
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MinceRsort by "date released as default"Nov 28 20:52
XRevan86MinceR: That just means that RHEL is slower, which it is.Nov 28 20:53
XRevan86if it were as fast as Fedora, it would've… been FedoraNov 28 20:53
MinceRit was slower to adopt something that made it irredeemably shitNov 28 20:53
MinceRalso, i don't want the nazis at dehomag to decide how one of my favorite languages workNov 28 20:54
XRevan86> dehomagNov 28 20:54
XRevan86TILNov 28 20:54
XRevan86MezhDelMash has yet another name?Nov 28 20:55
MinceRi wasn't aware of that name :)Nov 28 20:55
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_HolocaustNov 28 20:55
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XRevan86that's not official :)Nov 28 20:56
XRevan86but common as slangNov 28 20:56
XRevan86kind of like Intel being ShteudNov 28 20:56
XRevan86qwerty → йцукен ⇒ intel → штеудNov 28 20:56
XRevan86samsung is often gnusmas (not idea why)Nov 28 20:57
MinceRjust reversedNov 28 20:57
XRevan86apart from that :)Nov 28 20:57
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Nov 28 20:57
*XRevan86 think that maybe MezhDielMach will be a more trueЪ transcription.Nov 28 21:00
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XRevan86Acknowledgment of the ѣ makes it Polish compatible, and "mach" is a proper Latin shortening of "machina"Nov 28 21:02
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MinceRmezd'elmash?Nov 28 21:02
XRevan86mežNov 28 21:03
XRevan86"m" and "d" are actually softenedNov 28 21:04
MinceRright, mezhd'elmashNov 28 21:04
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XRevan86oh, "между" also has a ѣ %)Nov 28 21:06
XRevan86I forgot about that, hehNov 28 21:06
XRevan86MiežDielMachNov 28 21:06
XRevan86that's the problem with etymologically correct transcriptions, they're easy to screw up %)Nov 28 21:08
MinceRand nobody who doesn't know the etymology will be able to pronounce it correctlyNov 28 21:09
XRevan86MinceR: To be fair, nor with the strict transliteration :)Nov 28 21:10
XRevan86A strict transliteration from Ukrainian: MižDilMashNov 28 21:11
XRevan86the etymologically correct form is still be sameNov 28 21:11
XRevan86the biggest coutresy of trying to form a word etymologically, is that it no longer depends on the way any language changer Nov 28 21:24
XRevan86changesNov 28 21:24
XRevan86For instance, the name of the city "Kyev" is now pronounced as "Kyï(f|v)" in Ukrainian and "Kiïf" (that a lot of dots) in Russian (and spelled "Kiyev")Nov 28 21:25
XRevan86* (that's a lot of dots)Nov 28 21:26
XRevan86or L'vov, və L'vovie → L'viv, u L'vovi (ru: L'vov, vo L'vov'e)Nov 28 21:30
XRevan86* or L'vovə, və L'vovieNov 28 21:31
XRevan86since I added the historical ъ (~schwa) after the "v", may as well add to L'vov.Nov 28 21:31
XRevan86the ъ is important on the "v", because when it dropped, the approach changed (diverged) in Russian and UkrainianNov 28 21:32
XRevan86Ukrainian merged "u" and "v" prepositions (only distinguishable by declensions now), whilst Russian started adding "o" to it when it's phonetically convinient.Nov 28 21:34
XRevan86fun fact: declensions don't apply to some loan words like "кафе" ("café")Nov 28 21:36
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MinceRfun fact: there's no way to tell the grammatical gender of a noun that ends in ьNov 28 21:38
XRevan86MinceR: There is, I just haven't been able to figure out how the heck we do that :)Nov 28 21:39
MinceRneither has anyone elseNov 28 21:40
MinceRit would be better to get rid of grammatical gender entirelyNov 28 21:40
XRevan86слепень – he, пень – he, лень – she, боль – she, копь – she, моль – sheNov 28 21:40
XRevan86MinceR: Except for ships and swordsNov 28 21:41
XRevan86those are sacred and feminineNov 28 21:41
XRevan86дань – she, даль – sheNov 28 21:41
XRevan86сыпь – sheNov 28 21:42
MinceRlolNov 28 21:42
MinceRand then you could go on with "simple rules" for pages upon pagesNov 28 21:42
MinceRand exceptions!Nov 28 21:42
*XRevan86 looks at EnglishNov 28 21:43
XRevan86зверь – heNov 28 21:43
XRevan86огонь – heNov 28 21:43
XRevan86ткань – she, знать – sheNov 28 21:44
XRevan86same with loan words: вентиль – he, unambigiouslyNov 28 21:45
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XRevan86obviously "ventile", yeaNov 28 21:45
MinceReven english has a vestige of this crapNov 28 21:46
XRevan86MinceR: he-heNov 28 21:46
XRevan86Well, it's not really grammatical in EnglishNov 28 21:46
MinceRlike shipsNov 28 21:46
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XRevan86not anymore anywayNov 28 21:47
XRevan86Since it's any ship regardless of pronunciation or spellingNov 28 21:47
XRevan86which actually make it creepily sexualNov 28 21:48
XRevan86* makesNov 28 21:48
MinceRthey still pretend the ships are female, even though they're genderless objectsNov 28 21:48
MinceRand they have people learn this shitNov 28 21:48
XRevan86MinceR: Stop assuming ship's gender!Nov 28 21:48
XRevan86I was trying to make a joke as if I were pro-female-shipsNov 28 21:50
XRevan86but it works the other way just as well, doesn't itNov 28 21:50
MinceRthat's what she said.Nov 28 21:52
XRevan86MinceR: To be serious, grammatical gender has a practical purpose of giving additional information about what one is referring to.Nov 28 21:56
MinceRwhich will be useless 50% of the timeNov 28 21:57
XRevan86because it's like different types of nouns, every type has different rules making them easier to tell apartNov 28 21:57
XRevan86MinceR: It's hard for me to evaluate how much redundancy it provides, because I know only one and a half Slavic languages and English.Nov 28 21:58
XRevan86And English is one heck of an ambiguous language with or without grammatical genderNov 28 21:58
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender#Useful_rolesNov 28 21:59
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MinceRalso, since it's difficult to learn, you can't even trust that 1 bit of information you getNov 28 21:59
XRevan86MinceR: It's definitely a complication for adult learners, no argument there.Nov 28 22:00
XRevan86Notable that a creole language never has grammatical gender. At least I'd be very-very surprised to find one %)Nov 28 22:03
XRevan86exactly because creoles are formed by families of adult learnersNov 28 22:06
XRevan86so hard-to-grasp qualities such as various inflections are to a minimumNov 28 22:07
MinceRso, it takes an adult learner for one not to be a masochist when it comes to languages?Nov 28 22:07
XRevan86MinceR: to reduce complexityNov 28 22:08
XRevan86MinceR: But at a priceNov 28 22:08
XRevan86MinceR: lots and lots of prepositionsNov 28 22:09
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MinceRi don't see why would one need lots and lots of prepositions to recover a tiny piece of redundant information that may or may not be thereNov 28 22:10
XRevan86MinceR: Because inflections are complicated even without genderNov 28 22:11
MinceRinflections are optionalNov 28 22:11
XRevan86inflections (are) optional → склонения опциональн(ы)Nov 28 22:12
XRevan86MinceR: How are they optional though?Nov 28 22:12
*XRevan86 pointed out a preposition in English, where in Russian there's a morphemeNov 28 22:13
MinceRthere are languages that don't use themNov 28 22:13
MinceRlike the chinese languagesNov 28 22:13
XRevan86MinceR: And so they have pre- or postpositionsNov 28 22:13
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MinceRwhat does this have to do with grammatical gender?Nov 28 22:14
XRevan86MinceR: grammatical gender is a way to deviate inflectionsNov 28 22:15
XRevan86inflections may have various other rules aside from gender on their ownNov 28 22:15
MinceRyeah, which is why i'd rather not have themNov 28 22:16
XRevan86gender is but one property of inflectionsNov 28 22:16
MinceRthey're a complicated messNov 28 22:16
MinceReven agglutination is easier to useNov 28 22:16
XRevan86MinceR: Languages are messyNov 28 22:19
MinceR yesNov 28 22:20
XRevan86No language will be learnt with zero tolerance for crap :)Nov 28 22:20
MinceRone could be constructed, thoughNov 28 22:21
XRevan86MinceR: pravasNov 28 22:22
MinceRnot necessarily from a few slavic and romance languages either :>Nov 28 22:22
XRevan86MinceR: Sed eĉ Esperanto havas… fekon en ĝi %)Nov 28 22:22
MinceRi don't speak esperantoNov 28 22:22
XRevan86"But even Esperanto has… crap in it"Nov 28 22:23
MinceR:)Nov 28 22:23
XRevan86even if it's at an immeasurably lesser degreeNov 28 22:23
cubexyzLojban? :)Nov 28 22:30
MinceRi don't speak lojban eitherNov 28 22:30
XRevan86cubexyz: Now that's a language too little redundancyNov 28 22:33
XRevan86* with tooNov 28 22:33
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/561321.jpgNov 28 23:30
XRevan86MinceR: Also interesting that Bulgarian lost declension, got itself a definite article^W postfix, yet retained grammatical gender %)Nov 29 00:27
XRevan86I finally understand what those endings "to" mean in itNov 29 00:30
XRevan86It's the Slavic word for "this" used as a definite articleNov 29 00:31
XRevan86то дерево, древотоNov 29 00:31
XRevan86or rather "that", not "this"Nov 29 00:32
MinceRhttps://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aNYd2Zv_460svvp9.webmNov 29 00:33
XRevan86MinceR: nani?Nov 29 00:36
MinceRXRevan86: omae wa mou shindeiru.Nov 29 00:38
XRevan86MinceR: have mercyNov 29 00:38
MinceRmercy is for the weakNov 29 00:39
XRevan86MinceR: but I'm no youngling, nor sandNov 29 00:42
MinceRi don't think there were any younglings in C&CNov 29 00:43
XRevan86MinceR: C&C?Nov 29 00:44
cubexyzwhat is that called when you use the latin alphabet for japanese?Nov 29 00:45
MinceRXRevan86: Command&ConquerNov 29 00:45
MinceRcubexyz: romanization, rōmajiNov 29 00:45
MinceR(there are several kinds of it)Nov 29 00:45
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XRevan86cubexyz: In this particular case – memeingNov 29 00:50
cubexyzso...I think that is Hepburn?Nov 29 00:53
cubexyzseems the most commonNov 29 00:53
MinceRindeedNov 29 00:53
cubexyzI seem to remember a mega drive game based on thatNov 29 00:55
cubexyzoh yeah, last battle it wasNov 29 00:55
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cubexyzXRevan86, didn't realize Bulgarian language used thge cyrillic alphabetNov 29 18:58
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XRevan86cubexyz: heh :)Nov 29 19:50
XRevan86cubexyz: Bulgaria is the region where the Cyrillic alphabet originatedNov 29 19:50
XRevan86Old Church Slavic/Slavonic is based on the Bulgarian dialect of the then Slavic languahe.Nov 29 19:51
XRevan86One obvious example is the pronunciation of the letter Щ in Old Church SlavonicNov 29 19:52
XRevan86it's like the Bulgarian Щ which is pronounced like "шт" ("sht")Nov 29 19:53
XRevan86and not the proto-Slavic "шч" ("shch")Nov 29 19:53
XRevan86So "щука" (pike fish) is "shchuka" in proto-Slavic and Old Russian (and now Ukrainian), yet "shtuka" in Old Church Slavonic and Bulgarian.Nov 29 19:58
XRevan86In modern Great Russian the pronunciation is lazier with combinations "sch" and "shch", they merged into one soft "sh'Nov 29 19:59
XRevan86and now Ш and Щ are considered the hard and soft variations of the same soundNov 29 20:00
XRevan86Which is not very consistent with the rest of the alphabet, but so was the literal ligature Щ I guess.Nov 29 20:01
XRevan86So yeah, Bulgaria doesn't only use the Cyrillic alphabet, it is also its homeland.Nov 29 20:09
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scientesthere are only 8000 allowed names in chinaNov 30 05:16
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schestowitzscientes: sounds like a lotNov 30 05:59
schestowitzIran has similar restrictionsNov 30 05:59
scientesthe same report that said that said that 90% of US is 70000 surnamesNov 30 06:01
scientesand that is only the most common 70000Nov 30 06:01
scientes*most common 90%Nov 30 06:01
scientesit was a big thing for minorities, who had to change their names to chinese namesNov 30 06:01
scientesthere are a bunch of chinese characters you can't even useNov 30 06:02
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scientesschestowitz, now that i am learning more about it, I realized I have probably experienced much more traditional chinese culture than people in mainline chinaNov 30 06:07
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scientesI realized that the corporate media that I had been getting all my news about China from is full of lies and omissionsNov 30 06:21
scientesits really grossNov 30 06:21
scientesthe anti-CCP NTD really covers it well: no-one trusts chinese state media, it is the free press's self-censorship and lies that gives the communist party is credibilityNov 30 06:22
scientessuch as omitting that the reason uber left china is because of nationalism. the nationalism part was conveniently omittedNov 30 06:23
scientes(and nationalism favoritism in government)Nov 30 06:25
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scienteswait, why was Hong Kong returned to the PRC? Why wasn't it returned to the ROC instead?Nov 30 06:41
scientesi guess taiwan wouldn't have wanted it that wayNov 30 06:43
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MinceRwhy not?Nov 30 07:06
scientesbut UK could have interpreted the treaty that wayNov 30 07:09
scientesand just said ROC was the one chinaNov 30 07:09
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/561148.jpgNov 30 07:10
schestowitz[06:21] <scientes> I realized that the corporate media that I had been getting all my news about China from is full of lies and omissionsNov 30 07:22
schestowitzChina, Russia, US... they all do itNov 30 07:22
schestowitzEven here in EnglandNov 30 07:22
scientesthey are so afraid of angering the CPPNov 30 07:22
scientes*CCPNov 30 07:22
schestowitzSo you need to read many sources and what they say about foreign countries, there's a domestic blackoutNov 30 07:22
schestowitzCPC or CCPNov 30 07:23
scientesnow that I have gotten some information about it it seems to me that Han nationalism will first kill the Uyghers, then Tibetians, then MongoliansNov 30 07:24
scientes(also Falun Gong)Nov 30 07:24
scientesalso, I guess Uyghers now use Arabic to write their language, but there is little mention that Mongolian is still written in Uygher alphabetNov 30 07:26
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scientesThis is killing!Nov 30 07:28
scientes^^^ schestowitz you see that video, of the Chinese in SwedenNov 30 07:28
scientesthat state media reported as newsNov 30 07:29
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1811143Nov 30 07:40
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scientesMinceR, hahaNov 30 07:41
scientesthe CCP has an ideological crisis on its hands, as well as a economic collapse (in the context of a global energy crisis), as well as massive ecological problemsNov 30 07:43
scientescause CCP is now actively repressive of classical Marx-Leninist thoughtNov 30 07:44
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XRevan86https://pleroma.site/notice/9416667Nov 30 08:09
XRevan86schestowitz: Not the official "Qt for Python" bindings though.Nov 30 08:09
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scienteslike here is some insanity of the CCP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4xQfGQCi9UNov 30 08:31
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scientesbut I guess the most recent vaccine and milk scandals are the most deleterious to the party, as they are against childrenNov 30 08:34
scientesWhy do people like so much to let other people do their thinking? Both in China and the WestNov 30 08:39
scienteshttps://www.theonion.com/china-introduces-new-one-uighur-policy-1830475863Nov 30 08:43
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scientesschestowitz, ^^^something is brokenNov 30 08:43
XRevan86scientes: Re-injecting blood back is the stupidest idea I've heard so farNov 30 08:46
XRevan86> Why do people like so much to let other people do their thinking? Both in China and the WestNov 30 08:50
XRevan86Better trust in other people's judgement.Nov 30 08:50
scientescause I realized that alot of the behavior that I despise in (many) Han Chinese is part of a larger problem of those that prefer to let other's think for themNov 30 08:51
scientesand this is what created one of the US's biggest problems: suburbiaNov 30 08:51
XRevan86scientes: https://funnypictures.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/funny-pictures-humans-aliens.jpgNov 30 08:54
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*XRevan86 doesn't know the history of either the US suburbs or the Han Chinese.Nov 30 08:59
scientesXRevan86, han chinese is the dominent ethnic group of chinaNov 30 09:00
scientes(the han dynasty was around at the same time as rome)Nov 30 09:00
XRevan86scientes: That I did knowNov 30 09:00
scienteswhile for a while (and even in Xi Jinping's most recent annual address) there is this concept of china as multi-ethnic, that is not really what is going onNov 30 09:01
scienteswith tibetians and uyghers not being accepted, but their land and resources being covetedNov 30 09:01
scientesand mongolians being more borderline acceptedNov 30 09:02
scientesas the communism of the chinese communist party kinda loosing its lustre, as many powerful have private capital, I see the CPP moving away from communism towards Xi Xinping cult, and Han nationalism and ethnic cleansing of non-HanNov 30 09:03
scientesthere is already this wide-spead belief inside China that the PRC speaks for all Chinese, both in and outside the countryNov 30 09:04
scienteseven if they are citizens of other countriesNov 30 09:04
scientesand of course "Chinese" in that case means Han, exclusivelyNov 30 09:04
scientesthis is one of the reasons Uyghers and Tibetians and Mongolians cannot get passports and are not allowed to leave ChinaNov 30 09:05
XRevan86scientes: Sounds like pretty classical corruption with a hint of nationalism.Nov 30 09:05
XRevan86a very bold hint…Nov 30 09:05
XRevan86scientes: I used to think that China is behind Russia on the corruption scale, now I'm not so sureNov 30 09:06
scientesXRevan86, I'm not sure you are familiar with a few basic stuff about chinaNov 30 09:07
scienteshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_campsNov 30 09:07
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XRevan86scientes: Unfortunately, I'm notNov 30 09:07
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIiVlIkJcJU&t=5076sNov 30 09:07
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scientesI can also say some positive things about China, particularly that Shenzhen contains an incredible culture of hardware hacking siliconNov 30 09:09
XRevan86One of the reasons why I thought China is not as corrupt as Russia is because it is way more successful.Nov 30 09:10
scientesbut some of the companies that came out of that: ZTE and Huawei, are (out of necessity) very cozy with the CPP and the above two things (much like IBM's engineering of the Nazi Holocaust)Nov 30 09:10
XRevan86corruption in Russia is paralysing and dysfunctionalNov 30 09:10
scientesI wonder how Russia is doing on the environmentNov 30 09:11
XRevan86scientes: Let's just say, China is importing forest trees and Baikal water from RussiaNov 30 09:12
scientesnot that the US is perfect, industrial economies are incredibly hard to maintain without destroying the environmentNov 30 09:12
XRevan86and there's also Chinese agriculture in Russia with Chinese pesticidesNov 30 09:12
scientesRussia is at least intelligent enough to ban GMOsNov 30 09:13
scientesthey won't drink that cool-aid, they have had more experience with the broken promises of high-techNov 30 09:13
XRevan86scientes: Russia manages to screw with the environment even without any industry involvementNov 30 09:13
XRevan86really don't careNov 30 09:13
scientesXRevan86, can you give me examples of Russian environmental problems post-Soviet?Nov 30 09:14
XRevan86Baikal is the deepest lake in the bloody world, and now it is endangered.Nov 30 09:14
scientesI have not heard anything damming of the ecology in BaikalNov 30 09:14
XRevan86https://newsru.com/russia/13apr2018/baikal.htmlNov 30 09:16
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XRevan86https://newsru.com/russia/13apr2018/baikal.htmlNov 30 09:16
scientes Untreated sewageNov 30 09:17
scientesdamnNov 30 09:17
scientesthat is so stupidNov 30 09:17
XRevan86scientes: That's typical Russian carelessness.Nov 30 09:17
scientesi mean i would have expected it to be fertilizer run-off, which is a more difficult problemNov 30 09:17
scientes<XRevan86> scientes: That's typical Russian carelessness.Nov 30 09:18
scientesyep, and a proper sewage plant costs more in Russia because of corruptionNov 30 09:18
scientesI actually visited my local sewage treatment plant while in middle schoolNov 30 09:19
scientesand officials also came and told us about our water sourceNov 30 09:19
scienteshowever if there is electricity shortage, our electric meters are out-of-date and will cause problemsNov 30 09:20
scientesand when i talked to a family member about the problems he thinks that there will never be shortage......Nov 30 09:21
scientesso no point in building a resiliant systemNov 30 09:21
XRevan86scientes: That's interesting confidenceNov 30 09:21
scientes(although there is corruption in regards to how tightly propritary these systems are)Nov 30 09:21
scienteshttps://www.newstarget.com/2016-07-21-seattles-release-of-smart-meter-documents-reinforces-the-publics-fears-of-invasion-of-privacy-legal-battle-to-follow.htmlNov 30 09:22
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scientesI haven't read that article.Nov 30 09:23
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scientesjust pointing out the lawsuit over some minor papers that were part of the bigNov 30 09:23
scientes*bidNov 30 09:23
scienteswe really need free software power meter firmwareNov 30 09:23
scientesthe meters can be bought directly from China on Alibaba, but they don't have any firmwareNov 30 09:24
scientesand everyone I've talked to doesn't understand computer security and thinks the firmware has to be propritary to be secureNov 30 09:25
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scientesthis is why it is impossible to solve the energy problem without economic collapse *first* https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/richard-branson-launches-global-cooling-prize/Nov 30 09:42
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scientesdelusions of grandeur coupled with complete inability for people to understand scaleNov 30 09:43
scienteslike people thinking that hybrid cars are a solutionNov 30 09:43
scientesor that air conditioning can become 5 times as efficientNov 30 09:43
scientesinstead of just building houses in ways that they can be livable without ACNov 30 09:45
scientesXRevan86, I actually admire Putin, because he is so upfront when he talksNov 30 09:51
XRevan86scientes: He's not upfront when answering questionsNov 30 09:52
XRevan86During the last presidential elections he literally never debated with anyoneNov 30 09:54
scientesa debate is not the same as debating meaningful issuesNov 30 09:56
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XRevan86scientes: That he does not do as well.Nov 30 09:56
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDQDyt0B-1ENov 30 09:57
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scientesGranted, he has an interest in this topicNov 30 09:57
scientesBut I am tired of the delusions of US and EUNov 30 09:58
scienteswhile they fight class warfare with austerityNov 30 09:58
scienteswhile not addressing the problemsNov 30 09:58
scientesthis has been going on for decadesNov 30 09:58
XRevan86scientes: Now try to find him saying that about people on retirement using firewood during winter in his country.Nov 30 09:58
scientesXRevan86, one of his first acts as president was to force officials to resign while flying in oil heaters to remote areasNov 30 09:59
XRevan86I don't remember thatNov 30 09:59
scientesXRevan86, and the heating in cities is done with pipes from power plantsNov 30 09:59
scientesso some of that worked even during the collapse---it wonNov 30 10:00
scientesit won't be so great when the US collapsesNov 30 10:00
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scientesas I said, suburbia is a huge problem, and one that Russia (and former USSR) and China do not haveNov 30 10:01
scientesXRevan86, https://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-12-04/closing-collapse-gap-ussr-was-better-prepared-collapse-us/Nov 30 10:03
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scientes<XRevan86> I don't remember thatNov 30 10:03
scientesof course you don't, it wasn't reported in US mediaNov 30 10:03
scientesoh you are from russiaNov 30 10:03
scientesahh i should shut upNov 30 10:03
XRevan86хех %)Nov 30 10:04
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XRevan86scientes: BTW, about austerityNov 30 10:17
XRevan86scientes: That's what Russia's doing right nowNov 30 10:17
scientesXRevan86, like shouldn't there be enough people around Baikal to afford a sewage treatment plant?Nov 30 10:17
scientesXRevan86, raising the retirement age is not the same as austerityNov 30 10:17
XRevan86scientes: Does incresing VAT to 20% qualify?Nov 30 10:18
XRevan86* increasingNov 30 10:18
scientesyeah VAT is very regressiveNov 30 10:18
XRevan86They're trying desperately to plug a hole in the budgetNov 30 10:18
XRevan86a new tax on the self-employed is in developmentNov 30 10:18
XRevan86Putin has signed the experiment version alreadyNov 30 10:19
scientesthe whole world is facing a crunch, but Russia is in a good situation relative to much of the worldNov 30 10:19
XRevan86of course cutting costs, fighting corruption, looking at oligarchs – not an optionNov 30 10:19
scientesEU and US much more in denial, and austerity is part of that denialNov 30 10:19
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scientesas well as Greece Spain, Portugal and ItalyNov 30 10:20
scientes(and Ukraine)Nov 30 10:20
XRevan86The capital is leaving the country too, because apparently the oligarchs aren't as loyal as they "should" be.Nov 30 10:21
XRevan86including the state officialsNov 30 10:21
scientesyes, like in ChinaNov 30 10:21
XRevan86The rate at which the capital leaves is increasing year after yearNov 30 10:22
scientesBut in general the next generation is going to be much poorer than the current oneNov 30 10:22
scientesits called resource depletionNov 30 10:22
XRevan86scientes: So the situation is getting tough, if that's a relatively good situation then good luck to the rest of the worldNov 30 10:22
scientesso important to differentiate class warfare from simply lower amounts of resourcesNov 30 10:22
scienteswell its just fact that Russia has more energy left that much of the worldNov 30 10:23
scienteswe all need to use lessNov 30 10:23
XRevan86scientes: No thanks to the current regimeNov 30 10:23
scientesUSSR oil production peaked right before it collapsedNov 30 10:24
scientesthen US technology means it could come backNov 30 10:24
scientesthe current regime is better than one totally subservient to US interests (or EU interests)Nov 30 10:25
XRevan86They'd waste it all if they had the chanceNov 30 10:25
scientesor China interests for that matterNov 30 10:25
scientesbut yes, I agreeNov 30 10:25
XRevan86scientes: Being a vassal always sucksNov 30 10:25
scientesand Russia was there under YeltsinNov 30 10:26
scientesXRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy3piCUPIkcNov 30 10:27
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scientesI know a local politician that was destroyed because a landslide inadvertently released small amounts of asbestos into a creekNov 30 10:28
XRevan86scientes: The consequences of the US involvement aren't greatly explored, because of how devastating our own policies were back then.Nov 30 10:29
XRevan86The execution of privatisation of the state-controlled industry of Chubays was a disaster.Nov 30 10:29
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scientesXRevan86, there was a US plan to split Russia up into a bunch of countries even I believeNov 30 10:31
XRevan86Anatoliy Chubays is infamous, and he's now the head of RosnanoNov 30 10:31
XRevan86so that's how Putin treats heroes of the Yeltsin eraNov 30 10:32
scientesYeah the US Clean Air and Water act were incredible accomplishments, because even if there isn't any money for enforcement or general apathy, citizens can sue the government for pollution to make it take actionNov 30 10:32
scientesahh yes, I imagined soNov 30 10:32
scientesbut that isn't China, where top officials got there through live organ transplants, mass religious exterminations, and giving citizens AIDS Nov 30 10:34
XRevan86scientes: Yeah, it's not THAT extremeNov 30 10:35
scientesand honestly, what is the difference between siezing power illicitely in a power vacume and being giving that power by a government?Nov 30 10:36
scientesI mean the whole basis of the western banking model, which Russia now has, is infinite growthNov 30 10:37
scientesand that kinda means that you have oligarchs and they get richer, and you just have to trust them not to squander resources by actually spending that moneyNov 30 10:37
scientesif the money leaves Russia but just goes into foreign bubbles, like housing and education, then its not so bad....Nov 30 10:38
scienteslike usery couldn't even work if you could explore space at the speed of lightNov 30 10:39
scientesits just a fundamental problem of useryNov 30 10:39
XRevan86scientes: like housing and education for the kids and wives of the oligarchs – that's for sureNov 30 10:39
scienteswell housing in the US and EU are huge boondoggles and massive problemsNov 30 10:40
scienteseducation is also a racket, but it doesn't waste as much resources (except that all those education administrators live in suburbia)Nov 30 10:40
XRevan86Anyway, I don't have illusions about the West, but Russia is no competition until it gets its act togetherNov 30 10:41
scienteswell the game for the US will soon be overNov 30 10:41
scientesi'm not kiddingNov 30 10:42
XRevan86and that shall not happen unless there is a serious change in the way Russia is governedNov 30 10:42
scientesand I have met incredible Russians doing work in Linux for example https://criu.org/Main_PageNov 30 10:43
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scientespart of the reason I feel the US works is because a blind belief in moneyNov 30 10:44
scientesso once the bubble bursts people are up shit creek without a paddleNov 30 10:44
XRevan86My biggest concern with the US is its democracy being de-facto autocratic (non-existent) for decades.Nov 30 10:45
scientesvery few vote tooNov 30 10:45
XRevan86scientes: Just like in RussiaNov 30 10:45
XRevan86why botherNov 30 10:45
scientesall the important stuff happens off the radar, like permacultureNov 30 10:46
XRevan86Well, the Americans got their answer in 2016, when one of the twin candidates turned out to be so much worse.Nov 30 10:46
scienteswhat do you mean?Nov 30 10:46
XRevan86scientes: Trump has shaken American politics big time by being a "stable genius"Nov 30 10:47
scientesyeah but public has felt this way since 2008 "hope and change"Nov 30 10:47
scientesdemocracy can't work because suburbia is not viableNov 30 10:48
XRevan86But in the long term it doesn't matter much, because the twin wins either way, maintaining the status-quo no matter what.Nov 30 10:48
scientesand those living in it that can't afford it expect the government to bail them outNov 30 10:48
scientesyes, I'm glad you can see that---while young people in US see  that, older people do notNov 30 10:48
XRevan86and the US citizens cannot vote themselves out of thisNov 30 10:49
scientesUS economy so heavily dependant on automobilesNov 30 10:49
scientesand it will completely collapse without themNov 30 10:49
scienteslook at what is happening in VenezwelaNov 30 10:49
scientesnow they had a Columbia to take them inNov 30 10:49
scientesand also their was some understanding of the issue before it happened (and is now blamed exclusively on Mudero)---with those will political connections trying to get landNov 30 10:50
scientesAmericans all feel too entitled to survive--they would rather buy a Big Mac on their credit cardNov 30 10:51
scientes(although I do not live in the Ohio Valley, where they are also too fat......)Nov 30 10:52
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XRevan86scientes: Have you heard about a Chinese delegation coming to Russia to consult on the success of the GCW?Nov 30 10:55
XRevan86* GCFNov 30 10:55
scienteswhat does GCF stand forNov 30 10:55
scientesthats a math acronymNov 30 10:55
XRevan86* GFCNov 30 10:56
XRevan86The Golden ShieldNov 30 10:56
XRevan86The Great Firewall of ChinaNov 30 10:56
scientesI saw that Russia bought into the Belt and Road regarding the high speed rail--but that they are powerful enough to negotiate to do the construction themselvesNov 30 10:56
scientesRussia has the same abilities, and briefly blocked Reddit, and also blocks pornhub for exampleNov 30 10:57
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scientesand is in bed with VKontactNov 30 10:57
XRevan86scientes: They can also block websites that contain "false accusations"Nov 30 10:58
scienteswell I know some of the guys at the EFF, which got letsencrypt.org workingNov 30 10:58
scientesso that means they have to block a whole websiteNov 30 10:58
scientesat a timeNov 30 10:58
scientesthe biggest threat would be something like WeChatNov 30 10:59
XRevan86scientes: Maybe you've heard about https://roskomsvoboda.org/36308/Nov 30 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-roskomsvoboda.org | Дерипаскрыбнадзор | РОСКОМСВОБОДАNov 30 10:59
XRevan86Navalny in his investigation called something a bribe, but then a court decided that it was in fact not under the definition of a bribe, and blocked navalny.comNov 30 11:01
scientesmehNov 30 11:01
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scientesi look at corruption stuff in Russia the way I look at the same stuff in China---political strugglesNov 30 11:02
scienteswhere the only people that can talk about such stuff are obviously part of a struggleNov 30 11:02
XRevan86scientes: I'm pointing at how Internet censorship operates in RussiaNov 30 11:02
XRevan86they don't need muchNov 30 11:02
scientesbut anyone that wants to publish stuff can just throw it up on blogspot.comNov 30 11:02
scienteswait that wouldn't work because of the way TLS 1.3 works....Nov 30 11:03
scientesbut they could put it on reddit for exampleNov 30 11:03
scientesas long as it is on a domain used by a buch of other stuffNov 30 11:03
XRevan86scientes: Domain leakage is attempted to be plugged with ESNINov 30 11:04
scienteslike github is able to host stuff that china really wants to ban, but blocking github would be too economically destroyingNov 30 11:04
XRevan86which is part of the TLS 1.3 standardNov 30 11:04
XRevan86scientes: Or is there something else?Nov 30 11:04
XRevan86because that problem existed long before TLS 1.3Nov 30 11:04
scientesXRevan86, not initial TLS 1.3, I did some hacking on PicoTLS which was written by that japaneese guyNov 30 11:04
scientesthat was pluggint that problemNov 30 11:04
scientesXRevan86, but TLS 1.3 ONLY has that problemNov 30 11:05
scientesbasically every other problem was fixedNov 30 11:05
XRevan86scientes: Like I said, ESNINov 30 11:05
XRevan86I thought it made it…Nov 30 11:05
scientes(except that X.509 was kinda stupid to begin with)Nov 30 11:05
XRevan86"Encrypted Server Name Indication"Nov 30 11:06
scientesoh ok ESNI is part of firefoxNov 30 11:06
scienteshttps://blog.cloudflare.com/esni/Nov 30 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.cloudflare.com | Encrypting SNI: Fixing One of the Core Internet BugsNov 30 11:06
scientesXRevan86, its turned off by default network.security.esni.enabledNov 30 11:07
XRevan86scientes: Its implementation is in beta progress, yesNov 30 11:08
scientesbut it has performance issues, so my guess is that it will continue to be turned off by defaultNov 30 11:08
scienteswhile DNS over TLS might make it is..but that is just my guessNov 30 11:08
XRevan86scientes: Not sure about performance issues, as it's just another DNS request alongside the A/AAAA DNS request + one extra little decryptionNov 30 11:10
scientesi'm talking about performance of ESNINov 30 11:10
XRevan86scientes: So do INov 30 11:10
scientesan extra round trip is a big dealNov 30 11:10
XRevan86scientes: The browser is already making a request to the DNS serverNov 30 11:11
XRevan86may as well request three entries instead of twoNov 30 11:11
scientesyou mean get the certificate from the dns server?Nov 30 11:12
scientesthats why the SNI was initially sent unencrypted---because a server might host hundreds of web sites and doesn't know which certificate to give the client until it knows what web site it is servingNov 30 11:13
XRevan86scientes: get a secretNov 30 11:13
scientesESNI takes an additional round trip, unless you put the certificate in the dns server messageNov 30 11:13
scientesanyways i gotta go to sleepNov 30 11:14
scientesttylNov 30 11:14
XRevan86scientes: IIRC, they did something in the notion of bcryptNov 30 11:17
XRevan86So as heavy as sending an encrypted password to IMAP on a non-TLS connection.Nov 30 11:18
XRevan86scientes: https://ria.ru/incidents/20180627/1523463221.html more on ecologyNov 30 11:20
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abeNd-orggreetingsNov 30 15:58
abeNd-orghow are my fellow meatbags on this dirtball?Nov 30 15:58
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MinceRmehNov 30 16:01
XRevan86abeNd-org: Saluton al vi ankaŭNov 30 16:09
cubexyzmore esperanto?Nov 30 16:11
XRevan86https://smbc-comics.com/comic/clock-speedNov 30 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Clock SpeedNov 30 16:12
XRevan86cubexyz: Just to spice up a greeting %)Nov 30 16:12
MinceRgreetings, mortalNov 30 16:12
MinceRare you ready to die?Nov 30 16:12
abeNd-orgEventually, yesNov 30 16:13
cubexyzremember: quae sit, altum videturNov 30 16:13
abeNd-orgLike I have a choice in the matter? :)Nov 30 16:13
XRevan86abeNd-org: Hypothetically or practically?Nov 30 16:14
abeNd-orgWell, I don't want to die this very moment, but I know it will happen at some pointNov 30 16:14
cubexyzwe lost _msb_ a while backNov 30 16:14
MinceRQuidquid Latine dictum sit, altum sonaturNov 30 16:14
XRevan86cubexyz: Lingua Latina non penis canina estNov 30 16:14
abeNd-orgMy only hope is it happens at the hand of some alient invasionNov 30 16:14
abeNd-org-tNov 30 16:15
MinceRyeah, when the rest of the human species is also terminatedNov 30 16:15
cubexyzyou must try to avoid the hyacinthum screen mortis :)Nov 30 16:15
XRevan86cubexyz: Ho, Blua Ekrano de MortoNov 30 16:16
cubexyzit used to be that you had to learn latin Nov 30 16:18
cubexyznot so much nowNov 30 16:18
XRevan86It used to be that you had to learn GreekNov 30 16:18
abeNd-orgcubexyz: hah, now a days in US schools it is "offensive" to teach English, much less any other languageNov 30 16:18
XRevan86It used to be that you had to learn French :)Nov 30 16:18
abeNd-organother decade or so & grunts will be about all school age children will be able to musterNov 30 16:19
cubexyzin Canada you had to take 1 year of frenchNov 30 16:19
cubexyzlatin was voluntaryNov 30 16:20
XRevan86And Russians used to learn Church SlavonicNov 30 16:20
MinceRit used to be that you couldn't learn any language even if you wanted toNov 30 16:21
MinceRit used to be that life didn't exist on the planetNov 30 16:21
abeNd-orgahh the good ole daysNov 30 16:22
MinceRthey're coming backNov 30 16:22
XRevan86MEGANov 30 16:23
XRevan86Make Earth Great AgainNov 30 16:23
abeNd-orghahaNov 30 16:23
abeNd-orgwear that & you will be beatenNov 30 16:23
XRevan86By the ULTRA gang? %)Nov 30 16:23
MinceRMake Earth Barren AgainNov 30 16:23
abeNd-orgof course, it will probably be mostly by the "tolerant left" who would do most of the beatingNov 30 16:24
XRevan86"U Little Twat, Run Away"Nov 30 16:24
MinceR:)Nov 30 16:24
schestowitz[16:12] <XRevan86> cubexyz: Just to spice up a greeting %)Nov 30 16:37
schestowitzmeatbags goodNov 30 16:37
schestowitzdirtball not as much, so pass the sauceNov 30 16:37
XRevan86Hail Robots, Kill All HumansNov 30 16:38
*abeNd-org passes the taco bell diablo sauceNov 30 16:38
MinceREXTERMINATENov 30 16:38
abeNd-orgyou will, via chemical warfare Nov 30 16:39
XRevan86SEEK, LOCATE, DESTROYNov 30 16:39
MinceRDELETENov 30 16:41
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scientesXRevan86, meh, there are much bigger environmental problems than basic smogNov 30 16:59
scientessame in chinaNov 30 17:00
scienteslike water pollution, and in Russia USSR-era nuclear falloutNov 30 17:01
scientesmy local bay is polluted with mercury from bleaching paperNov 30 17:02
XRevan86scientes: With the plank this low I may as well breath in nitrogen dioxideNov 30 17:06
scienteshere is the superfund sites in the US https://www.epa.gov/superfund/search-superfund-sites-where-you-live#mapNov 30 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epa.gov | Search for Superfund Sites Where You Live | Superfund | US EPANov 30 17:06
cubexyzshouldn't the use of paper be decreasing?Nov 30 17:07
scientesXRevan86, haha, I actually had an old-school Chemistry teacher and we did reactions that made nitrogen dioxide without a hoodNov 30 17:07
abeNd-orghahahaNov 30 17:07
cubexyzwhat will all the ebooks and everythingNov 30 17:07
scientescubexyz, they made only brown toilet paper for years before shutting downNov 30 17:07
scientesbut that doesn't take away the pollutionNov 30 17:07
abeNd-orgi have a company that uses $100k/usd in printing every year between paper/printers/toner, & they are only ~100 peopleNov 30 17:07
abeNd-organd they dont even want my company to review it to see what savings we can put in place for them because "printing is too important"Nov 30 17:08
scientes(this type of things will get you fired in the US, but he somehow got away with it, mainly because so few people choose to think----and he was such a good teacher, and I could just leave the class when this happened, so I wasn't going to persecute him)Nov 30 17:09
scienteslike we made Asprin (acetylsalicylic acid)Nov 30 17:10
cubexyzok, evidently printing and writing paper is declining (newsprint) but the raw tonnage of paper is still increasingNov 30 17:10
scientesand people apparently need white toilet paperNov 30 17:10
scientesinstead of brownNov 30 17:10
scientes /first world problemsNov 30 17:11
abeNd-orgwhat about bidets(sp)?Nov 30 17:11
cubexyzmore people == more paper I guessNov 30 17:11
MinceRgo invent the three seashellsNov 30 17:11
abeNd-orgstop making more humans, especially if you arent taking care of themNov 30 17:12
cubexyzre: bidets, that might not be a bad idea actuallyNov 30 17:12
cubexyznever tried oneNov 30 17:13
scientesits cheaper to use soap, rather than toilet paperNov 30 17:13
abeNd-orgi can see bidets working for skinny people, but not for fat people, i wouldnt think it could do its job without a super powerful jet lolNov 30 17:15
scientesoh, fat Americans and their schootersNov 30 17:15
scientesskootersNov 30 17:15
scientesbut I will note that that problem is regionalNov 30 17:15
scientesmy breakaway Republic of Cascadia does not have that problem :PNov 30 17:16
abeNd-orgno kidding fat americans (I am a little overweight, & that is my own fault, but im doing something about it currently)Nov 30 17:16
abeNd-orgbut i am "skinny" compared to mostNov 30 17:16
scientessameNov 30 17:16
cubexyzjust don't eat fast food :)Nov 30 17:16
abeNd-orgcubexyz: & I am actively working out, weights+cardio 6 days a weekNov 30 17:17
XRevan86eat slowly foodNov 30 17:17
XRevan86and chewNov 30 17:17
*XRevan86 is taking the worst pun award from MinceR with pride.Nov 30 17:17
MinceR:)Nov 30 17:17
cubexyzabeNd-org, so how much time in hours per week?Nov 30 17:18
cubexyzI try to do 20 minutes on the stationary bike per dayNov 30 17:18
cubexyznot great, but better than nothingNov 30 17:18
abeNd-orgcubexyz: monday is upper body for about 30 minutes, tues lower body for about 30 min, wed is cardio for about 45, repeat. https://www.bodybuilding.com/workout-plans/about/bill-phillips-back-to-fit-12-week-trainer Nov 30 17:19
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abeNd-orgi am lucky and my cheap little apartment complex actually has a really nice Peloton bike trainer i use for the cardio part, those sessions really kick my arseNov 30 17:20
abeNd-orgcubexyz: any movement is better than couch potatoe! Nov 30 17:20
cubexyzyesNov 30 17:21
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abeNd-orgcubexyz: I have to use babymetal or some other high energy music to keep me going on upper/lower body days, the trainers on the peloton usually have cadence based music already picked outNov 30 17:57
cubexyzyes, it can be a bit dull without something addedNov 30 18:05
abeNd-orgweird al helps too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw&list=PLBvdvKDIsQZk1ySCDWDbn5ClWG3-Pq7mj&index=2Nov 30 18:05
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MinceR"Stupid! Stupid Imp! You're stupid! And you're gonna be stupid and dead!"Nov 30 22:15
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DaemonFC[m]https://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-has-a-huge-problem-dealing-with-critical-bugs-in-its-software-524055.shtmlDec 01 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Microsoft Has a Huge Problem Dealing with Critical Bugs in Its SoftwareDec 01 01:43
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft's Windows 10 1809 disaster happened, in part, because they skipped the final phase of the test process and pushed it out to the stable channel.Dec 01 01:43
MinceRthey do? i thought they didn't careDec 01 01:54
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scienteshttp://xijinping.online/Dec 01 05:44
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scienteshahaDec 01 05:45
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scientesthe CCP is a dirty cultDec 01 07:34
scientesthe veiled death threats...Dec 01 07:38
scientes(not that the US doesn't have cultish behavior...but at least we have freedoms)Dec 01 07:40
scientesalthough it is hard to understand freedoms when they are not denied...Dec 01 07:42
scienteschinese water pollution https://hk.news.appledaily.com/china/realtime/article/20181130/58977441Dec 01 07:56
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schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/technology/duplicates/a1tf0n/google_tried_to_patent_my_work_after_a_job/Dec 01 09:44
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cubexyzbl.shDec 01 14:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mir 1.1 Is Releasing Soon With Experimental X11 Support & NVIDIA Binary Blob Handling http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118011 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8b3c5259-df03-4d84-a543-45cb436864eb]Dec 01 14:34
MinceR> but at least we have freedoms)Dec 01 14:40
MinceRand the government is working on getting rid of them :>Dec 01 14:40
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/0CcM0Rx.pngDec 01 14:48
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/561120.jpgDec 01 15:41
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/561108.jpgDec 01 16:16
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/561061.jpgDec 01 17:08
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XRevan86scientes: Talking about nitrogen dioxide: https://youtu.be/EQh_SQ4n1JE http://newstula.ru/fn_421263.htmlDec 01 19:46
XRevan86freshDec 01 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Щекиноазот лисий хвост! Ежедневные выбросы убивают население!! - YouTubeDec 01 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newstula.ru | ОХК «Щекиноазот» прокомментировала ситуацию с оранжевым облаком под Тулой Тульские новостиDec 01 19:46
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scientesXRevan86, damnDec 01 19:47
XRevan86The second link has an official commentaryDec 01 19:47
scientesand also videoDec 01 19:48
XRevan86basically, it's within the normDec 01 19:48
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scientesthis happened in my city https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJRwePrctGw and I saw it when it happenedDec 01 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-C-SPAN Cities Tour- Bellingham: The Olympic Pipeline Explosion - YouTubeDec 01 19:49
scientesbut yeah that nitrogen dioxide is pretty badDec 01 19:49
XRevan86scientes: Was that within the norm too?Dec 01 19:50
scientesno it only happened onceDec 01 19:50
scientesbut it does happen all over the place quite oftenDec 01 19:50
scientesyeah it is the norm...Dec 01 19:50
scientesjust not reportedDec 01 19:50
scientesbut only once in bellinghamDec 01 19:50
XRevan86"within the norm" I mean metrologically speakingDec 01 19:50
XRevan86that's what they said, that the amounts of nitrogen dioxide did not exceed the normDec 01 19:51
scientesoh i cDec 01 19:51
scientesthat is even woorseDec 01 19:51
scientesi posted this earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy3piCUPIkcDec 01 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why the Deadly Asbestos Industry is Still Alive and Well - YouTubeDec 01 19:51
XRevan86there was no malfunction and the factory operates properlyDec 01 19:51
scienteshopefully that isn't happening with radioactive wasteDec 01 19:52
scientesas I understand it happened during soviet timesDec 01 19:53
XRevan86scientes: I know about medical wasteDec 01 19:53
scienteswell that is a huge problem in US tooDec 01 19:53
scientesanother unreported oneDec 01 19:53
XRevan86that's treated criminally improperly in my home cityDec 01 19:53
scientesthese are the problems of industrial economiesDec 01 19:54
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scientesalso china stopped taking recyclables, as a way to blame foreigners for pollutionDec 01 19:55
XRevan86scientes: https://youtu.be/cy3piCUPIkc?t=189 these guys are so cuteDec 01 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why the Deadly Asbestos Industry is Still Alive and Well - YouTubeDec 01 19:57
XRevan86"Когда боишься, тогда всё и происходит." – https://youtu.be/wSKzLtRzY78?t=15Dec 01 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Earth Fear is NOT Real - YouTubeDec 01 19:59
scientesyeahDec 01 19:59
scientesI have lived in a house with asbestos siding, and it is not necessarily badDec 01 20:01
scientesbut the deadly effects when misused cannot be white-washedDec 01 20:01
scientesbasically its similar to heavy metals in electronics, which were largely banned by RoHSDec 01 20:02
scientesbecause we can live without it, we shouldDec 01 20:03
scientesand hopefully RoHS makes electronics recycling less deadly that it currently is, over timeDec 01 20:03
XRevan86scientes: I take it that it's the asbest dust that's dangerousDec 01 20:03
scientescorrectDec 01 20:04
MinceRwe don't have good substitutes for asbestos like we don't have good substitutes for lead?Dec 01 20:06
scientesfiberglassDec 01 20:06
MinceRso it's not like RoHS after allDec 01 20:08
scientesits so stupid to pull of toxic stuff from the earthDec 01 20:10
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/561039.jpgDec 01 20:10
XRevan86https://youtu.be/cy3piCUPIkc?t=641Dec 01 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why the Deadly Asbestos Industry is Still Alive and Well - YouTubeDec 01 20:10
XRevan86I want to know more about this casually hanging tilted Ukrainian flag somewhere in the US %).Dec 01 20:11
scientesyeah i was wondering what you were linking toDec 01 20:13
cubexyzno reason to use asbestosDec 01 20:38
cubexyzEPA banned it a long time agoDec 01 20:40
MinceRdidn't Agent Orange undo that recently though?Dec 01 21:14
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: PHP, Django, Python and Morehttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118030 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d75ed8d9-dc4f-4759-8958-ea3c93a03c30]Dec 01 22:24
cubexyzwow MinceR you are rightDec 01 22:29
cubexyzjust this yearDec 01 22:29
cubexyzasbestos is a carcinogen, I don't understand why it isn't banned 100%Dec 01 22:32
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cubexyzthere are even pallets of asbestos with Trump's face stamped on itDec 01 22:35
cubexyzbizarreDec 01 22:36
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/yml3tVY.gifvDec 01 22:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | ImgurDec 01 22:45
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/560869.jpgDec 01 23:03
DaemonFC[m]The library has a bunch of OpenBSD books.Dec 01 23:10
DaemonFC[m]I might read them. Concern over code quality is lacking in the GNU/Linux world lately and it shows.Dec 01 23:11
DaemonFC[m]The new CoC nonsense and allowing Microsoft to colonize seems to be more important. Dec 01 23:11
MinceRindeedDec 01 23:12
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18110521Dec 01 23:27
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XRevan86>> didn't Agent Orange undo that recently though?Dec 01 23:27
XRevan86> wow MinceR you are right, just this yearDec 01 23:27
XRevan86What the fsck…Dec 01 23:27
XRevan86https://slate.com/business/2018/08/the-trump-administration-is-not-bringing-back-asbestos.html found thisDec 01 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slate.com | The Trump administration is not bringing back asbestos.Dec 01 23:50
XRevan86Apparently the article's twist is that asbestos was not really banned beforeDec 01 23:53
XRevan86> In 1989, the EPA tried to ban asbestos outright, under a 1976 law called  the Toxic Substances Control Act. The phased prohibition was overturned  by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in 1991, and the  agency succeeded in halting only six then-obsolete uses of asbestos,  including corrugated paper and flooring felt.Dec 01 23:53
XRevan86> What explains the cratering in asbestos use, even as the EPA had its  hands tied by the 1991 court ruling? Health and liability issues.  Because asbestos is so indisputably linked to cancer, asbestos lawsuits  are a multibillion-dollar industry.Dec 01 23:56
XRevan86hahDec 01 23:56
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/18102644Dec 01 23:59
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