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| DaemonFC[m] | LineageOS modified Android with a few lines of code to support .opus extensions, but Google has ignored the bug for years. | Sep 30 00:01 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They never bothered to comment on it. | Sep 30 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The good news is if you want to use .opus extensions on Android, VLC uses its own media engine and knows what they are. | Sep 30 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple's rules forbid using anything other than their libraries. | Sep 30 00:02 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1809270 | Sep 30 00:30 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18092650 | Sep 30 00:50 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18092649 | Sep 30 01:13 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18092612 | Sep 30 01:39 |
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| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/xb3nu85ljqvz.jpg | Sep 30 02:05 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18092539 | Sep 30 02:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Just saw a kiosk on the CTA. | Sep 30 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It had a desktop with Google Chrome and a file called kiosklauncher.sh. | Sep 30 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Obviously some kind of GNU/Linux OS since Chrome doesn't work on BSD. | Sep 30 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The sandboxing relies on features of the Linux kernel that the Linuxulator on FreeBSD doesn't provide. | Sep 30 02:39 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18092530 | Sep 30 03:03 |
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| cubexyz | if you really wanted to run a windows 2.0 program it would probably work in dosbox | Sep 30 03:13 |
| cubexyz | perhaps windows 3.X | Sep 30 03:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can run Windows up to 3.1 on FreeDOS. | Sep 30 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you have to run in standard mode, not enhanced mode. | Sep 30 03:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | 386 enhanced mode made it possible to use the Virtual Machine Manager to load more than one DOS application at once, and to run them in windowed mode, and it makes it 32-but disk and file access possible. | Sep 30 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 3.11 for Workgroups requires Enhanced Mode and will not run on FreeDOS. | Sep 30 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of the networking stuff was 32-bit and you also have to be running in Enhanced Mode for Win32s to work, which was required by some applications, including Internet Explorer. | Sep 30 03:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The 32-bit disk and file access replaced DOS disk access with a 32-bit Windows driver loaded by the VMM. | Sep 30 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It made disk access much faster, but if you accidentally installed a DOS virus, bad stuff could happen. | Sep 30 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The same was true with Windows 9x. | Sep 30 03:20 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18092435 | Sep 30 03:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It could hook the disk access and prevent the Windows driver from taking over. | Sep 30 03:23 |
| cubexyz | the bad old days | Sep 30 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most often what happened is that disk access got really slow. | Sep 30 03:23 |
| cubexyz | it sounds so kludgey | Sep 30 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, Windows was essentially a massive DOS extender. | Sep 30 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | While Windows was running, it had its own disk drivers, but it maintained a DOS state too. | Sep 30 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If a virus interrupted the handover, you were left with real mode DOS code in charge of disk access. | Sep 30 03:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the user ran a DOS app, it got the state of the disk activity from the stack that Windows maintained, and if you exited into DOS, this state would be handed over when Windows exits. | Sep 30 03:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 9x only works on the DOS it came with because Windows relies on a lot of nasty and undocumented behavior. | Sep 30 03:28 |
| cubexyz | I definitely remember butting up against the 640k limit and having to use EMS/XMS methods to bypass the limit | Sep 30 03:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | None of that documentation ever got outside of Microsoft, so FreeDOS can't run Windows 9x. | Sep 30 03:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | FreeDOS has to pad some of the conventional RAM, or applications can end up being loaded lower than expected and crashing. | Sep 30 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can override that if you want. | Sep 30 03:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's better about RAM usage and managment than MS-DOS was, which creates the situation with being loaded at an address that would have been impossible. | Sep 30 03:34 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I think DR-DOS ran into the same issue. | Sep 30 03:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I ran across DR-DOS on a 486 Compaq that someone gave me. | Sep 30 03:44 |
| cubexyz | what does that remind me of... oh yeah the AARD code | Sep 30 03:45 |
| cubexyz | naturally Digital Research managed to patch DR-DOS | Sep 30 03:47 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18092424 | Sep 30 03:51 |
| cubexyz | ancient history now but... | Sep 30 03:56 |
| cubexyz | https://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/11/05/how_ms_played_the_incompatibility/ | Sep 30 03:56 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Sep 30 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 30 08:02 |
| schestowitz | > Here's today's batch. | Sep 30 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Have a good Sunday. I'm already backlogged with articles as news is picking up a bit. Slow start for Sept news-wise and I try to just 'shelve' as tuxmachines comments the Torvalds muckraking. 2 weeks later and it still goes on! | Sep 30 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Benalla, violent garde du corps de Macron, était aussi garde du corps de Battistelli https://infosdanyfr.wordpress.com/2018/07/25/alexandre-benalla-violent-garde-du-corps-de-macron-etait-aussi-garde-du-corps-de-battistelli/ my article in French (did not notice until now) | Sep 30 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | >> Have a good Sunday. | Sep 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | > Likewise. | Sep 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | >> I'm already backlogged with articles as news is | Sep 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | >> picking up a bit. Slow start for Sept news-wise and I try to just | Sep 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | >> 'shelve' as tuxmachines comments the Torvalds muckraking. 2 weeks later | Sep 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | >> and it still goes on! | Sep 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | > It's been a solid smear campaign and is destroying the kernel community. | Sep 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | > It has also completely buried other news like GNU's 35th anniversary or | Sep 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | > LLVM. | Sep 30 09:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes, those are EXACTLY the two things I named as meriting more attention than the CoC move. | Sep 30 09:02 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU Releases http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116046 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2de9a8d3-fbbb-496b-aacb-92324a398e41] | Sep 30 09:06 | |
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| schestowitz | > I observed LLVM only, but did what I could to talk up GNU's anniversary. | Sep 30 09:16 |
| schestowitz | > Sadly the long-running M$ campaign against GNU and RMS personally have | Sep 30 09:16 |
| schestowitz | > traction. SJWs are not helping. Microsofters may be scum of the earth | Sep 30 09:17 |
| schestowitz | > but they deflect the displeasure to made up problems with FOSS and | Sep 30 09:17 |
| schestowitz | > specific FOSS developers and leaders. | Sep 30 09:17 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Additional Windows 10 vs. Ubuntu 18.04 NVIDIA/AMD Graphics Benchmarks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116045 [https://pleroma.site/objects/94cee6fb-8734-482a-b4ff-a8d8aab6327f] | Sep 30 09:17 | |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz the old monitor still works on VGA and HDMI inputs, haven't thrown it away, currently it is in its original packaging | Sep 30 09:34 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-happens-if-you-try-to-take-your-code-out-of-linux/ << this is more of a worry. Not using copyright assignment is why Linux kernel grows. | Sep 30 10:10 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the CoC is nothing more than a minor annoyance. | Sep 30 10:11 |
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| SopaXorzTaker | schestowitz, what's all the drama about? | Sep 30 10:19 |
| SopaXorzTaker | I.. don't quite get it | Sep 30 10:19 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Is Getting New Network Libraries From Veteran systemd/BUS1 Developers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116051 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3daa4fa9-4b56-46b8-a9af-ca3b53a2db79] | Sep 30 13:27 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1801291 | Sep 30 14:23 |
| MinceR | rms being corrupt also isn't helping | Sep 30 14:23 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Sound Blaster, Kyber and Linux 3.16.59 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116054 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a551b16a-3152-4268-a268-13b917a14f78] | Sep 30 14:37 | |
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| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/8r14dd.jpg | Sep 30 14:50 |
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| MinceR | http://cdn-9chat-fun.9cache.com/media/photo/aobD4xNn3_480w_v1.jpg | Sep 30 14:54 |
| SopaXorzTaker | hi MinceR | Sep 30 14:55 |
| MinceR | hay | Sep 30 14:56 |
| SopaXorzTaker | what's with the memes? | Sep 30 14:56 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Sep 30 14:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that last cdn does not serve pages right | Sep 30 14:57 |
| MinceR | dunno | Sep 30 14:58 |
| MinceR | never tried | Sep 30 14:58 |
| schestowitz | mime-types | Sep 30 14:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: click the link | Sep 30 14:59 |
| schestowitz | it might not open in a browser but instead attempt a download | Sep 30 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | odd that a cdn of all things would be configured that way | Sep 30 15:00 |
| MinceR | works fine for me | Sep 30 15:00 |
| schestowitz | maybe the browser overrides the issue | Sep 30 15:00 |
| MinceR | i'm using pale moon | Sep 30 15:00 |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoV5CiYXoAALeuw.jpg | Sep 30 15:06 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: poNYAtno | Sep 30 15:07 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 30 15:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Sep 30 15:21 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Sep 30 15:45 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So it increased less? What's the context of this? | Sep 30 15:46 |
| MinceR | dunno | Sep 30 15:47 |
| MinceR | looks like it increased, but the hindu fundamentalists wanted to make it seem like it decreased | Sep 30 15:47 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: robocop, yes | Sep 30 16:19 |
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| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o79lPZe6ZD4 | Sep 30 17:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It kind of surprised me to see some sort of GNU/Linux system on the CTA kiosk screens. | Sep 30 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's new. They had been running Wndows XP. | Sep 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | what distro | Sep 30 19:34 |
| schestowitz | ? | Sep 30 19:34 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/549430.jpg | Sep 30 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I couldn't make it out. It only had some icons on the desktop. The rest was cropped. | Sep 30 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google Chrome, kiosklauncher.sh, and some desktop sccreenshots for some reason. | Sep 30 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I should have taken a picture. | Sep 30 19:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: wtf? | Sep 30 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm assuming that was supposed to be a baptism. | Sep 30 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a church group that does those in Lake Michigan sometimes. | Sep 30 19:53 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18012346 | Sep 30 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Sep 30 19:56 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku6ImSj6w5U | Sep 30 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Doom 3 BFG Edition Walkthrough HD Level 21 Central Processing ( Veteran ) - YouTube | Sep 30 19:58 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I never played the BFG Edition. | Sep 30 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I heard it has ruined the gameplay somewhat | Sep 30 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I played the original game on the XBOX and then again on the PC with the Linux port, plus the Linux port of Resurrection of Evil. | Sep 30 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | namely by allowing to have the flashlight on with other weapons in hands | Sep 30 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Linux ports of those games were not great. They were targeting OSS....in 2004/2005! | Sep 30 19:59 |
| MinceR | that ruined the gameplay? | Sep 30 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you had no sound unless you altered the command line to use ALSA's OSS emulation. | Sep 30 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it means there'd just be no sound now, MinceR | Sep 30 19:59 |
| MinceR | i mean, the tactical flashlight | Sep 30 20:00 |
| MinceR | or duct tape | Sep 30 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most distributions no longer build ALSA with the OSS emulator. | Sep 30 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It makes dark corridors less of a big deal | Sep 30 20:00 |
| MinceR | it's more realistic, though | Sep 30 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | yet against the original level design | Sep 30 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people playing on the PC already loaded the Duct Tape mod anyway, which did the same thing. | Sep 30 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The BFG Edition improves the graphics slightly, but that's the biggest difference. | Sep 30 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It also lets you play it on higher resolutions than the original release did. | Sep 30 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's nothing there that really justifies buying it again if you had already beaten the game. | Sep 30 20:04 |
| MinceR | the original game had completely different gameplay :> | Sep 30 20:05 |
| MinceR | and didn't have flashlights | Sep 30 20:05 |
| MinceR | only Light Amplification Goggles | Sep 30 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The original game did have a flashlight. | Sep 30 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, you could use it as a weapon. You couldn't have the flashlight and the weapon equipped at the same time. | Sep 30 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The flashlight did about double the damage that punching something did, but the time between attacks was a bit longer. | Sep 30 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was pretty much useless against anything stronger than an imp. | Sep 30 20:06 |
| MinceR | i'm talking about Doom | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, I said original release, but I mean the original DOOM 3 release. | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The BFG Edition was because DOOM 4 was turning into vaporware and they figured they could get some more money out of DOOM 3 in the meantime. | Sep 30 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I admit that I just wrote down the codes for those weapons lockers so I wouldn't have to be bothered finding clues. :P | Sep 30 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It really slows down the game and doesn't add much. | Sep 30 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And if you skip the lockers completely, the game is a lot harder. | Sep 30 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DOOM 2016 does something similar. | Sep 30 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to find secrets or else you don't level up as much as you need to in order to take on the stronger demons. | Sep 30 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I booked a trip to Vegas next month. Last minute thing, really. | Sep 30 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I found some travel deals and decided to take the opportunity to see the sights, like the Grand Canyon. | Sep 30 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The hotel I'm staying at is cheap, probably because of the casinos and the rides on top of the building. | Sep 30 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They figure they'll get you in other ways. You'll use the rides or drop a lot of money into the casino. | Sep 30 20:17 |
| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/be5cx9p0pu211.jpg | Sep 30 20:19 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/MwWhS6s.gifv | Sep 30 20:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Sep 30 20:30 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-Plasma-5.15-Better-Login | Sep 30 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KDE Plasma 5.15 Likely To Improve The Login Screen - Phoronix | Sep 30 20:34 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Couldn't get much worse. Looks really tiny on HiDPI screens. | Sep 30 20:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.19-rc6-Released | Sep 30 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 4.19-rc6 Kernel Released By Greg KH - Phoronix | Sep 30 20:39 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I think that Linus Torvalds actually won't be missed much in the short term. He actually hasn't written much kernel code in a long time and mainly just supervised the release process ad occasionally flamed people. | Sep 30 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the long run, who knows? He seemed to be the reason that a lot of bad stuff wasn't merged, but his resistance to this has declined in the last several years and a lot of it ended up going in anyway. | Sep 30 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The full blown "kernel lockdown" patch set went in, and now it's very difficult for the user or a program to do anything with the hardware while "Secure Boot" is on, and some systems are starting to not allow it to be turned off. | Sep 30 20:43 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, sometimes that would be a good thing, if it stopped some malware, but how often does that really get on a system that isn't running Windows or Mac OS? | Sep 30 20:43 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I can still count on one hand the number of pieces of malware even worth mentioning that targeted GNU/Linux in the last 20 years, and many of them only worked on specific releases of a certain distribution. | Sep 30 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I'm interested to know what problem this is really aiming to solve. | Sep 30 20:45 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: gkh wanted to merge kdbus | Sep 30 20:53 |
| MinceR | gkh will ruin Linux. | Sep 30 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | dbus-broker seems to be the way Fedora decided to go. | Sep 30 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not sure that there really is much of a need for kdbus now. | Sep 30 20:54 |
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| MinceR | there never was, that's not the point | Sep 30 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The way I understand it, the way dbus is implemented now, messages coming through can claim to be from anywhere, and some people want the kernel to be in charge of this because it can make sure that the sender isn't forged. | Sep 30 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The rest of the dbus problems were mostly performance bottlenecks that dbus-broker is attempting to solve. | Sep 30 21:13 |
| MinceR | dbus is garbage and it should die | Sep 30 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1986#comment-530941 | Sep 30 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Issue #1986: Decide status of dbus-broker change - fesco - Pagure.io | Sep 30 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks like dbus-broker as default got pushed back to Fedora 30. | Sep 30 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could still set it up yourself if you wanted to. | Sep 30 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not sure if an upgrade to Fedora 30 would go over too well later. Probably would. | Sep 30 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DbusBrokerAsTheDefaultDbusImplementation#Upgrade.2Fcompatibility_impact | Sep 30 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/DbusBrokerAsTheDefaultDbusImplementation - Fedora Project Wiki | Sep 30 21:21 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nah, it looks trivial to change back and forth. | Sep 30 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/news/2018/09/microsoft-open-sources-old-ms-dos/ | Sep 30 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | The FreeDOS Project / News: Microsoft open-sources old MS-DOS | Sep 30 21:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They note that it may be of limited use to FreeDOS. | Sep 30 21:44 |
| MinceR | what sorts of patent traps are in m$-dos? | Sep 30 21:48 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Python and New Releases From Dirk Eddelbuettel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116063 [https://pleroma.site/objects/888c2a1a-a471-46c4-835b-33db9b6dcbda] | Sep 30 22:00 | |
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| XRevan86 | So Microsoft could not risk it to release more recent versions of MS-DOS, eh? :) | Sep 30 22:02 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116064 [https://pleroma.site/objects/74f5cd95-af2d-47d1-9500-97007b38cf49] | Sep 30 22:03 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: anything over 20 years old all patents has to be expired. | Sep 30 22:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the issue would be copyrights and trade secrets. | Sep 30 22:08 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: unless they modified it just before the release | Sep 30 22:10 |
| MinceR | if it really is "open source", copyright shouldn't be an issue | Sep 30 22:10 |
| MinceR | then again, it's microsoft's claim... | Sep 30 22:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Too elaborate, no? | Sep 30 22:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: patents natural end says they should be able to release the MS-Dos that was under windows 95. | Sep 30 22:11 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: do note the Microsoft did not open source the masm and link that came with MS Dos 2.0 | Sep 30 22:24 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18012317 | Sep 30 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Sep 30 22:29 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1801239 | Sep 30 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Sep 30 22:49 | |
| XRevan86 | absolute values vs. relative values | Sep 30 22:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of the later DOS features wouldn't really matter much now. | Sep 30 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DoubleSpace/Drivespace were problematic at best, even for the time. | Sep 30 22:58 |
| MinceR | but hey, they managed to fuck Stac over | Sep 30 22:58 |
| MinceR | for it | Sep 30 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it moved "C Drive" to a new "H Drive" and the compressed volume appeared as a single massive file on H. | Sep 30 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One that a user could delete.... | Sep 30 22:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There were other problems. | Sep 30 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The free space on C became an estimate provided by DoubleSpace/Drivespace, and might be an overestimate or underestimate depending on the actual compression ratio of the individual files you stored on it. | Sep 30 22:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the version of DOS that introduced DoubleSpace, the user could exit a program and see a prompt before the information was actually written to the disk, and turn off the computer, corrupting the entire volume. | Sep 30 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The compressed volume could, under some circumstances, become so fragmented that it would corrupt itself if you ran Scandisk. | Sep 30 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The company that my dad worked for at the time sent out a memo to all employees. Under no circumstances are you to use Doublespace. | Sep 30 23:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 30 23:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I asked him about it because my PC's hard disk only had like 100 MB and I was interested in Doublespace because it might allow me to store more files on it. | Sep 30 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He said it would probably just end up corrupting everything and to try uninstalling some programs instead. | Sep 30 23:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As I recall, it didn't make a lot of difference if most of your files were games like DOOM because the WAD files are already compressed. | Sep 30 23:04 |
| MinceR | no, WAD is not compressed | Sep 30 23:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No? | Sep 30 23:05 |
| MinceR | well, i guess you could say the patch/texture system is kinda "compressed" | Sep 30 23:05 |
| MinceR | in that you can reuse patches on a texture | Sep 30 23:05 |
| MinceR | and on other textures | Sep 30 23:05 |
| MinceR | but not really | Sep 30 23:05 |
| MinceR | WAD itself doesn't compress anything | Sep 30 23:06 |
| MinceR | neither does PAK | Sep 30 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems like a waste. | Sep 30 23:06 |
| MinceR | pk3, on the other hand, is a renamed zip, so it can be compressed | Sep 30 23:06 |
| MinceR | well, consider that compression increases load times | Sep 30 23:06 |
| MinceR | and what sort of machines did the doom and quake engines run on | Sep 30 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would take some CPU time to unpack, but it would take less time to read them off the disk. | Sep 30 23:06 |
| MinceR | depends on the machine | Sep 30 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it would probably save space and be a wash as far as load times. | Sep 30 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Compression would likely be better on a 486. Worse on a 386. | Sep 30 23:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I guess they wanted the people with 386s to be happy too. | Sep 30 23:07 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 30 23:08 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18012237 | Sep 30 23:16 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18012146 | Sep 30 23:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Sep 30 23:37 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: alien vs. predator | Oct 01 00:05 |
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| MinceR | :) | Oct 01 00:11 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18012023 | Oct 01 06:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 01 06:41 | |
| MinceR | https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/co2-on-the-brain-and-the-brain-on-co2/ | Oct 01 06:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.advancedsciencenews.com | CO2 on the brain and the brain on CO2 - Advanced Science News | Oct 01 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: not sure what movie | Oct 01 06:55 |
| schestowitz | but that lady looks similar to Clinton in | Oct 01 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "we saw, he died, hahaha" | Oct 01 06:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: 2016 | Oct 01 06:56 |
| MinceR | yes | Oct 01 06:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's Rita from the Power Rangers. | Oct 01 07:41 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18011947 | Oct 01 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 01 07:51 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18011944 | Oct 01 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 01 08:35 | |
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| MinceR | (audio) https://i.imgur.com/Z8lFwlE.gifv | Oct 01 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Oct 01 13:10 | |
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| SopaXorzTaker | MinceR, I don't hear anything :P | Oct 01 14:33 |
| MinceR | you can unmute if you right click on the video | Oct 01 14:33 |
| MinceR | or you can use the button in the super-bloated version at https://imgur.com/gallery/9Pj8WG2 | Oct 01 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-For the love of god turn the sound on - Album on Imgur | Oct 01 14:34 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18011935 | Oct 01 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 01 15:10 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: nice car | Oct 01 16:45 |
| schestowitz | not sure which kind though, it's too young for me to tell if karakul | Oct 01 16:46 |
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| MinceR | i thought it's a caracal | Oct 01 16:46 |
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| MinceR | https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/travellers-refusing-hand-over-phone-password-airport-now-face-5000-customs-fine | Oct 01 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tvnz.co.nz | Travellers refusing to hand over phone password at airport now face $5000 Customs fine | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ | Oct 01 17:12 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18011853 | Oct 01 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 01 22:32 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Cute motorcycle | Oct 01 22:33 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1801185 | Oct 01 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 01 22:46 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1801177 | Oct 01 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 01 23:11 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ZBZTRy2.gifv | Oct 01 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Oct 01 23:36 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Vladimirovich_Bogdanov what an active person | Oct 02 00:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Andrei Vladimirovich Bogdanov - Wikipedia | Oct 02 00:46 | |
| XRevan86 | He founded nine Russian political parties | Oct 02 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | and he also a mason and a friend to the government | Oct 02 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | * he is also | Oct 02 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | The real Swiss Army Man | Oct 02 00:49 |
| XRevan86 | The real Russian Swiss Army Man | Oct 02 00:49 |
| XRevan86 | Some of these parties are Republican-like, and some are socialist | Oct 02 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | A progressive conservative-liberal communist | Oct 02 00:52 |
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| cubexyz | = | Oct 02 02:42 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://malcont.net/2016/09/actors-re-casted-for-different-roles-in-stargate-series/ I noticed that %) | Oct 02 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Actors re-casted for different roles in Stargate series - malcont.net | Oct 02 14:57 | |
| XRevan86 | They keep re-using actors, even for major roles in the episodes, not just backgrounds. | Oct 02 14:58 |
| MinceR | yeah | Oct 02 15:00 |
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| cubexyz | XRevan86, have you got to the good episodes of Star Trek NG yet? :) | Oct 02 16:19 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: nope %) | Oct 02 16:20 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Instead I've finally tried out GTA:SA %) | Oct 02 16:22 |
| XRevan86 | that's a better game than I expected | Oct 02 16:22 |
| cubexyz | what platform? | Oct 02 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Wine | Oct 02 16:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I have San Andreas on the PS2. Looks pretty bad on my 4K TV. | Oct 02 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've thought about getting a crap TV just for the PS2. | Oct 02 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > XRevan86, have you got to the good episodes of Star Trek NG yet? :) | Oct 02 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm watching them on Netflix. The first season was terrible. It had been long enough that I forgot. | Oct 02 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no story arc really. You can watch them in just about any order and it won't matter. | Oct 02 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Babylon 5 was really the first sci fi TV series to have a story arc. Dr. Who has been going on forever and still mainly doesn't have one. | Oct 02 20:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | > They keep re-using actors, even for major roles in the episodes, not just backgrounds. | Oct 02 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had noticed that a long time ago. When you have them wearing heavy makeup you can get away with it, but they had same actors playing different human characters too. I can see reusing child actors. You want to keep kids on the set to a minimum because they get fussy and uncooperative. | Oct 02 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AV1 will be interesting if it catches on, but MPEG and the VP8 and VP9 codecs already have an advantage in that there's actual hardware decoding assistance on stuff people use now. | Oct 02 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can decode it entirely on the CPU with software, but it will cause heat and battery drain problems. | Oct 02 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple never put WebM support into their products. There's no way to decode open codecs on Apple products at all. | Oct 02 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google is wants to supplant h.264, but they're playing the long game. They support it, but are not supporting h.265. | Oct 02 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In comparison, it takes a ton of bandwidth to stream h.264. | Oct 02 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose that they hope they can wait Apple out. | Oct 02 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | [20:16] <DaemonFC[m]> I have San Andreas on the PS2. Looks pretty bad on my 4K TV. | Oct 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I heard it's a bad script | Oct 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | dialogues back, just nice special effects for the trailer | Oct 02 21:06 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: What is the point of PS2 though? | Oct 02 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Just plug in a PC %). | Oct 02 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: hmm? | Oct 02 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | bad script dialogues? | Oct 02 21:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I got it on my PS2 when I bought the PS2 Slim in 2005. | Oct 02 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got one of the last revisions they made. | Oct 02 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They revise the console as they go. Die shrinks make them cheaper to build because they get smaller. | Oct 02 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I still get games for it at the thrift stores. | Oct 02 21:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Mom shared her Amazon login with me. I've been watching The Man in the High Castle. | Oct 03 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I managed to binge watch halfway into season 2 so far. | Oct 03 00:10 |
| XRevan86 | https://shitposter.club/notice/11802735 hah | Oct 03 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shitposter.club | Shitposter Club | Oct 03 00:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suspected that the divergence point would be the assasination of Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak in Florida in 1934, and Wikipedia says I was right. | Oct 03 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Speculation is that the guy missed Roosevelt and got Cermak instead. In the alternate universe in the novel/TV series, he shot Roosevelt. | Oct 03 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US maintained a policy of isolationism before entering the war much later on, which gave the Axis time to develop the atomic bomb, which they deployed on Washington, DC. | Oct 03 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | [00:32] <DaemonFC[m]> Speculation is that the guy missed Roosevelt and got Cermak instead. In the alternate universe in the novel/TV series, he shot Roosevelt. | Oct 03 03:05 |
| schestowitz | [00:33] <DaemonFC[m]> The US maintained a policy of isolationism before entering the war much later on, which gave the Axis time to develop the atomic bomb, which they deployed on Washington, DC. | Oct 03 03:05 |
| schestowitz | isolationism? | Oct 03 03:06 |
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| MinceR | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/01/the_robot_operating_system_gets_the_microsoft_treatment/ | Oct 03 11:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Robot Operating System gets the Microsoft treatment • The Register | Oct 03 11:51 | |
| MinceR | :( | Oct 03 11:51 |
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| cubexyz | ok, my first thought was IBM PS/2 | Oct 03 13:31 |
| cubexyz | but you guys mean Sony PS2 | Oct 03 13:32 |
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| XRevan86 | My PC still has a PS/2 | Oct 03 13:33 |
| XRevan86 | but only one | Oct 03 13:33 |
| cubexyz | even more ambiguous :) | Oct 03 13:33 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Why's that? %) | Oct 03 13:33 |
| XRevan86 | I mean the port | Oct 03 13:34 |
| cubexyz | so new motherboards don't have PS/2 port? | Oct 03 13:34 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: nope | Oct 03 13:34 |
| XRevan86 | > "More RSS / Atom feeds seem to have vanished lately. Others seem to work only intermittently. I hope the web is not closing down beyond the point of no return."-Friend | Oct 03 13:36 |
| cubexyz | you do realize that the PS/2 port isn't polled, like a USB keyboard is? | Oct 03 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: All Atom/RSS feeds I've ever added to my reader have never went down ever :) | Oct 03 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yes | Oct 03 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But dunno, I've failed to actually see any disadvantage from modern USB keyboards | Oct 03 13:37 |
| XRevan86 | Meanwhile, I tried plugging a mouse into the PS/2 port I have, and it didn't work %) | Oct 03 13:38 |
| cubexyz | plus I have a ton of PS/2 keyboards | Oct 03 13:39 |
| XRevan86 | I suspect it's because it's a dual-port | Oct 03 13:39 |
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| cubexyz | that's possible | Oct 03 13:39 |
| XRevan86 | That is a thing, right? :) | Oct 03 13:40 |
| XRevan86 | Someone told me it's a thing | Oct 03 13:41 |
| cubexyz | it is | Oct 03 13:41 |
| cubexyz | there is a splitter cable for that | Oct 03 13:41 |
| XRevan86 | > plus I have a ton of PS/2 keyboards | Oct 03 13:41 |
| XRevan86 | You could use an adapter | Oct 03 13:41 |
| XRevan86 | they're pretty dirty cheap | Oct 03 13:42 |
| cubexyz | I'd rather not | Oct 03 13:44 |
| XRevan86 | fair enough | Oct 03 13:45 |
| cubexyz | ha, there's PCI PS/2 cards | Oct 03 13:45 |
| cubexyz | the protocol is different... then there's active and passive adapters | Oct 03 13:47 |
| cubexyz | AROS and Plan9 that could be trouble without a PS/2 keyboard | Oct 03 13:51 |
| cubexyz | not to mention freedos | Oct 03 13:51 |
| cubexyz | but I guess I can try some experiments | Oct 03 13:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Surely FreeDOS can work with USB keyboards and mice | Oct 03 13:52 |
| XRevan86 | can it? | Oct 03 13:53 |
| XRevan86 | > https://pleroma.site/notice/5935681 | Oct 03 13:53 |
| XRevan86 | SuperSU is proprietary, and it's dead for months. | Oct 03 13:53 |
| XRevan86 | It could be removed by the owner, because he abandoned it. | Oct 03 13:54 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, that could be BIOS specific | Oct 03 13:54 |
| cubexyz | and I can't remember ever trying it | Oct 03 13:54 |
| cubexyz | msdos had keyb.com I think | Oct 03 13:55 |
| cubexyz | to use external keyboards on some laptops if I remember right | Oct 03 13:55 |
| XRevan86 | I use https://f-droid.org/packages/me.phh.superuser, but I don't know how it works on newer Android versions. | Oct 03 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-f-droid.org | Superuser | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository | Oct 03 13:55 | |
| cubexyz | probably in most cases it will work | Oct 03 13:56 |
| cubexyz | I don't think plan9 ever supported XHCI but I haven't checked it in ages | Oct 03 13:58 |
| MinceR | PS/2 ports are not hotplug-capable | Oct 03 13:58 |
| MinceR | and they can even fry if you plug or unplug a device while the PC is turned on | Oct 03 13:58 |
| cubexyz | you can pop the keyboard fuse yes | Oct 03 13:59 |
| cubexyz | that's why I always leave them plugged in | Oct 03 13:59 |
| XRevan86 | https://xda-developers.com/chainfire-retires-supersu-february huh, there's been more to that | Oct 03 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xda-developers.com | Chainfire Retires from SuperSU, to Leave Fully February 24th | Oct 03 13:59 | |
| XRevan86 | from a year ago | Oct 03 13:59 |
| MinceR | it's one of the reasons why i use USB :> | Oct 03 14:00 |
| XRevan86 | A Chinese company bought SuperSU | Oct 03 14:00 |
| MinceR | :( | Oct 03 14:00 |
| cubexyz | my amiga 500 is an early model | Oct 03 14:03 |
| cubexyz | mitsumi made those | Oct 03 14:04 |
| cubexyz | minimig was PS/2 as well | Oct 03 14:07 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah and ummm amiga 3000 used the old 5-pin DIN connector | Oct 03 14:09 |
| cubexyz | I admit these are edge cases | Oct 03 14:09 |
| cubexyz | I think the PS/2 keyboard connector is actually a mini-DIN connector | Oct 03 14:13 |
| cubexyz | the old style was 5-pin 180 degree | Oct 03 14:14 |
| cubexyz | the PS/2 connector would be a mini-DIN-6 | Oct 03 14:15 |
| cubexyz | ok, looks like gigbyte has motherboards with PS/2 connectors still | Oct 03 14:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I'm trying to figure out why dbus-broker was pushed to Fedora 30. | Oct 03 16:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Supposedly, it's a drop in replacement for dbus. According to the documentation, the behavior as far as apps are concerned only differs when they can't find any case where an app depends on that behavior and the behavior was clearly wrong in dbus. | Oct 03 16:58 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: So what's the problem? | Oct 03 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Are there problems? :) | Oct 03 17:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the votee was 6-0 for delaying the feature. | Oct 03 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | [13:36] <XRevan86> schestowitz: All Atom/RSS feeds I've ever added to my reader have never went down ever :) | Oct 03 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you have few | Oct 03 17:54 |
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| XRevan86 | 73 | Oct 03 17:55 |
| schestowitz | [13:55] <XRevan86> I use https://f-droid.org/packages/me.phh.superuser, but I don't know how it works on newer Android versions. | Oct 03 17:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-f-droid.org | Superuser | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository | Oct 03 17:56 | |
| schestowitz | I was not aware | Oct 03 17:56 |
| schestowitz | I was 'hacking' around on an Android OS today at the gym | Oct 03 17:56 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: no expired domains yet? | Oct 03 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [14:00] <XRevan86> A Chinese company bought SuperSU | Oct 03 17:57 |
| schestowitz | china got root #! | Oct 03 17:57 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Nope, no expired domains. | Oct 03 17:57 |
| schestowitz | so you haven't used RSS for 15 years or so | Oct 03 17:58 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: For about 5 years :) | Oct 03 17:59 |
| schestowitz | aha | Oct 03 18:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "Presidential alerts are mandatory and can't be turned off." | Oct 03 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump provides another reason for rooting your phone and putting LineageOS on it. | Oct 03 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: There's a serial killer in our neighborhood. | Oct 03 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His latestt victims were a 24 year old Jewish Pokemon Go player who was in the park after it was closed and a 74 year old man walking his dog. | Oct 03 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The police say it may have been a "hate crime". Well, he's had four victims and the only one that was a minority was the Jewish guy. | Oct 03 20:40 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: What's a presidential alert? | Oct 03 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the hallmarks of a serial killer is usually that their victims have nothing in common exccept for being in the wrong place when the killer strikes again. | Oct 03 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: FEMA can send out emergency alerts from the president to all cell phones and you can't block them. | Oct 03 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I guess a boring kill-all serial killer doesn't sell as a story as well | Oct 03 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Have there been any dumb alerts so far? | Oct 03 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just the tests today. They were blowing up my phone for about an hour making really annoying sounds, and everyone else's went off too. | Oct 03 20:45 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: So I take it they tested how loud it can be if every phone make the same crappy sound at the same time %) | Oct 03 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | [20:36] <DaemonFC[m]> "Presidential alerts are mandatory and can't be turned off." | Oct 03 21:23 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I saw that | Oct 03 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Chelsea Manning said living in the US is like military prisojn | Oct 03 21:23 |
| schestowitz | this week in the UK... | Oct 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | In Trumpland it looks more and more like it over time | Oct 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | At least in prison you get medical treatment though | Oct 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | you are their product, subdued | Oct 03 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Really shitty medical treatment, if that. | Oct 03 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The states usually contract it out and then people don't get their meds and then they die and...."So what?". Nobody cares. | Oct 03 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prison "healthcare" system mostly just lets your teeth rot out of your head and if you need HIV drugs or antidepressants, too bad. | Oct 03 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you die or commit suicide, they have one of their employees haul your body to the coroner's office, because it saves them a bill from the county. | Oct 03 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's stunningly worse than even Medicaid. | Oct 03 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: A long time ago and in Indiana, an ex had emergency Medicaid. They considered your case an emergency if you were under 21 and lacked access to any health insurance. They covered dental, but it didn't pay what most dentists want, so we found one who took it and sent him there. | Oct 03 21:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | We had an x-ray from a dental hygeine clinic in Fort Wayne where we saved money by letting students do dental cleanings, and it showed one cavity. | Oct 03 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, he gets in the dentists ofice, and the dentist drills and fills four teeth. | Oct 03 21:34 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | He gets out and I'm like "Why do you have four fillings?". He just shrugs and gives me an...."uh uhh". :P | Oct 03 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :/ | Oct 03 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If I ever need major dental work, I might just get on a plane and go somewhere in Europe and pay cash. | Oct 03 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Russia knows all about prison medical treatment https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Q6QYXvbkkws | Oct 03 21:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-HookTube | Oct 03 21:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The vacation that pays for itself. | Oct 03 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You haven't seen what American dentists charge. | Oct 03 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | just a little pride for the country, yea | Oct 03 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A very small filling is currently going for $400. | Oct 03 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | (18+) | Oct 03 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can go to a German dentist and get an entire root canal, or so I've heard, for like $800 US. | Oct 03 21:36 |
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| XRevan86 | Some person posted a changelog of the latest Windows 10 update on Linux.org.ru, and at first I legitimately thought it's yet another satire on into what Windows 10 may become. | Oct 03 21:55 |
| XRevan86 | it starts with a cloud clipboard | Oct 03 21:55 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/549262.jpg | Oct 03 21:56 |
| MinceR | Poe's Law | Oct 03 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: indeed | Oct 03 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | https://blog.clamav.net/2018/10/clamav-01002-has-been-released.html | Oct 03 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.clamav.net | ClamAV® blog: ClamAV 0.100.2 has been released! | Oct 03 22:16 | |
| XRevan86 | An antivirus update that fixes CVEs | Oct 03 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | that's what I like about antiviruses | Oct 03 22:16 |
| MinceR | at least ClamAV is free spftware | Oct 03 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: indeed, and honest about these things | Oct 03 22:17 |
| MinceR | s/spf/sof/ | Oct 03 22:18 |
| XRevan86 | and probably more secure that the proprietary ones | Oct 03 22:18 |
| MinceR | certainly more secure | Oct 03 22:18 |
| XRevan86 | hence my point | Oct 03 22:19 |
| MinceR | proprietary software cannot be secure and cannot be fixed | Oct 03 22:19 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550405.jpg | Oct 03 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The proverb is sheepist | Oct 03 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | and it assumes that a leader has to be strong in the most banal and obvious way | Oct 03 22:22 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 03 22:23 |
| XRevan86 | because "strong" leaders work out so well | Oct 03 22:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 03 22:23 |
| XRevan86 | and that lions aren't lazy bastards :) | Oct 03 22:25 |
| XRevan86 | Find a photo of a lion and it'll probably be lying on the ground | Oct 03 22:25 |
| MinceR | that's not what i mind about lions, it's the pack instinct | Oct 03 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: sheep have it also | Oct 03 22:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, but they're not pretending to be cats :> | Oct 03 22:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But lions ARE cats | Oct 03 22:28 |
| MinceR | the least real ones | Oct 03 22:28 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/DjOi99xY_10 | Oct 03 22:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Big Cat Talk! - Roar, Purr, Meow - YouTube | Oct 03 22:30 | |
| XRevan86 | The first entry in search, yes :) | Oct 03 22:31 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/549482.png | Oct 03 22:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: hoomans see things | Oct 03 22:58 |
| MinceR | kitteh sees dead people | Oct 03 22:58 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | ClamAV has usually gotten the lowest rating on detection. | Oct 03 23:08 |
| MinceR | at least it gets the best rating on not being a scam | Oct 03 23:10 |
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| MinceR | also on its creators not spreading FUD in the media | Oct 03 23:10 |
| MinceR | oh, also, on its creators not being agents of putler | Oct 03 23:10 |
| MinceR | these points put them in stark contrast against the likes of symantec and kaspersky | Oct 03 23:11 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: the low rate of detection is to be expected. Most of the anti-virus compares takes bundles of viruses/malware from the different closed source anti-virus makers then use that for the benchmark suite. So each closed source anti-virus start with a group of files they will 100 percent detect. | Oct 03 23:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I usually just run things by virustotal before running them, even though I'll be using Wine. | Oct 03 23:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A virus trashing my Wine installation would still be annoying. | Oct 03 23:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the heuristics engines are questionable. | Oct 03 23:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even a benign program will usually tigger "generic malware" on 1 or 2 out of the 40-ish engines. | Oct 03 23:17 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550391.jpg | Oct 03 23:17 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: https://pics.me.me/tiggered-29804601.png | Oct 03 23:18 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I wouldn't be surprised if they look at ClamAV taking everything they have. | Oct 03 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: So you have just one Wine bottle/prefix? | Oct 03 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Uninstallers rarely work well in wine, so how do you remove stuff? :P | Oct 03 23:37 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550384.gif | Oct 03 23:43 |
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| MinceR | (audio) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/550330.mp4 | Oct 04 00:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What the… | Oct 04 00:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Is that from a show? | Oct 04 00:05 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Oct 04 00:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The use of keyboard didn't sound realistic | Oct 04 00:07 |
| MinceR | maybe they have a purposely designed application with which they can call it up quickly | Oct 04 00:07 |
| MinceR | info on the calling number, i mean | Oct 04 00:07 |
| MinceR | then again, i'm not sure why it wouldn't be displayed automatically | Oct 04 00:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Too quick and loud | Oct 04 00:09 |
| MinceR | it's actually surprisingly difficult to keep keyboard noise out of the microphone | Oct 04 00:10 |
| MinceR | at least with mx blues... | Oct 04 00:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: that's true | Oct 04 00:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But it sounds loud in a way | Oct 04 00:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: if someone intentionally presses keys extra hard | Oct 04 00:12 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550361.jpg | Oct 04 00:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I use one prefix for everything. I don't have many Windows programs anyway. | Oct 04 04:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | foobar2000 and some games from Gog and Steam. | Oct 04 04:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://news.softpedia.com/news/gnome-3-30-desktop-environment-is-now-available-on-flathub-as-flatpak-runtimes-522993.shtml | Oct 04 04:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME 3.30 Desktop Environment Is Now Available on Flathub as Flatpak Runtimes | Oct 04 04:44 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why? If you stay up to date with Fedora, you already have the latest stable GNOME release. | Oct 04 04:44 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, my mouse pointer freezes when I use the scsi scanner | Oct 04 05:54 |
| cubexyz | until the scan is finished... then back to normal | Oct 04 05:55 |
| cubexyz | I was hoping the switch from ISA to PCI controller would have helped, but it seems the situation is similar | Oct 04 05:56 |
| cubexyz | Domex DMX3191D it is | Oct 04 06:01 |
| cubexyz | I wonder what the scsi_wait_scan module does | Oct 04 06:05 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18092557 | Oct 04 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 04 08:02 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/three-brave-children-fight-huge-13359151 | Oct 04 12:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mirror.co.uk | Three brave children fight off huge snake with sticks and leaves after it wraps itself around pet dog - Mirror Online | Oct 04 12:08 | |
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| cubexyz | MinceR :) | Oct 04 15:47 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, you could have voiced windowsrefundxr :) | Oct 04 15:49 |
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| MinceR | i had other things to do | Oct 04 15:49 |
| cubexyz | ok, might have been a spammer anyway | Oct 04 15:50 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/C7p8S1u.jpg | Oct 04 15:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Sound-Open-Firmware-Intel-OSFC | Oct 04 20:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Is Having Great Success With Their Open-Source Sound Firmware - Phoronix | Oct 04 20:01 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Intel apparently open sourced the firmware for their sound chipsets. Well, that's something.... | Oct 04 20:01 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: not that open you cannot change the firmware signing key. But it closer than it was. If you want to build the open source firmware and run it you have to buy special development boards. | Oct 04 21:05 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: mind you it will save intel a fortune in time not having to pay of the complier. | Oct 04 21:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I recall the developer of PCLinuxOS saying that he had terminal cancer or something. | Oct 05 01:42 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: That's rather unspecific about something so personal | Oct 05 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: No empathy will be emitted as a result %). | Oct 05 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Surely the project has more than one developer, right? | Oct 05 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Intel, 'open'.... meh | Oct 05 01:50 |
| schestowitz | like the ME... | Oct 05 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | https://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=146233.0 | Oct 05 01:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pclinuxos.com | Hey | Oct 05 01:57 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: He seems to be still with us. | Oct 05 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | A reply a week ago | Oct 05 01:59 |
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| XRevan86 | What exactly is chemotherapy? | Oct 05 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | In the Reddit thread commenters speak of it as of something terrible in its own right | Oct 05 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | > The term chemotherapy has come to connote non-specific usage of intracellular poisons to inhibit mitosis, cell division. | Oct 05 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | That doesn't sound pleasant indeed | Oct 05 02:09 |
| *XRevan86 had no idea | Oct 05 02:09 | |
| XRevan86 | Time for me to go to bed, hope depressive thoughts won't affect my sleep | Oct 05 02:14 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1809236 | Oct 05 07:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 05 07:52 | |
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| schestowitz | "“Judge Kavanaugh exhibited extreme partisan bias and disrespect towards certain members of the committee and thereby demonstrated that he possesses neither the temperament nor the character essential for a member of the highest court in our nation,” the statement read." | Oct 05 09:12 |
| schestowitz | https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/409775-national-council-of-churches-calls-for-kavanaughs-nomination-to | Oct 05 09:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-National Council of Churches calls for Kavanaugh's nomination to be withdrawn | TheHill | Oct 05 09:12 | |
| schestowitz | = | Oct 05 09:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Chicago might be rioting today depending on what happens at the trial of that police officer. | Oct 05 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Are they re-enacting GTA:SA? ;) | Oct 05 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Grove Street Homies! | Oct 05 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :P | Oct 05 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The verdict is due out in four minutes. | Oct 05 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The black communists are down there waving their signs. | Oct 05 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm worried that they just start randomly attacking white people. | Oct 05 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of them just hate white people, all white people. | Oct 05 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And by "communist", they mean that their neighborhoods are shit because there's lots of crime and poverty, so instead of fixing it, they'd rather sit on their asses and take money from someone else. | Oct 05 19:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The Hippy Dippy Morons who live in Chicago have absolutely no idea what kind of Hell they have unleashed by punishing a police officer and raising an armed criminal to sainthood, but they'll find out. | Oct 05 20:30 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Fixing poverty is so simple – just give everyone affordable education. Oh wait… | Oct 05 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | Isn't the US the country with by far the highest prices on highest education? | Oct 05 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | It's what's called low vertical social lift | Oct 05 21:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: These peopls don't want higher education. They're dropping out of High School (and that's free) to sling drugs and shoot people. | Oct 05 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Making college more affordable would have some impact on the crime rate, but the majority of these criminals are illiterate, innumerate, and violent because that's the path they've chosen for their lives. | Oct 05 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The ones who aren't total fuck ups or want to get their lives back on track at least go back and get a GED, but the problem with the GED is that whle it's harder than graduating high school, the option to test tends to be given in prison as a well-intentioned way of reducing recidivism. Unfortunately, that means that if you tell an employer you have a GED, their mind goes straight to "Okay, what did you get in trouble | Oct 05 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | for?". | Oct 05 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ultimately, a GED is better than nothing, especially if you want to go to college. While some colleges let you get in without it, there will be some grants and scholarships that mandate having it, which would put you at a huge disadvantage as a drop out who is trying to get into college. | Oct 05 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least if you have a college degree in something, then nobody cares about what happened in high school... | Oct 05 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The GED does open some doors that won't be available as a drop out. So that is something, at least, but you're better off just finishing high school. | Oct 05 22:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It sucks and it does seem like it goes on forever, but it's worth it, and you do learn some things that you won't by dropping out and studying for a GED, like how to deal with difficult people, which is one of the more important things to know in any workplace. | Oct 05 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the more common complaints is that high school spends a lot of time teaching things that never come up again in "real life", but that's not entirely true. Sure, many people aren't going to need to know how to find the area of a triangle, and others may never need to know how to write an essay, but it does, in general, prepare people for college by giving them general knowledge. | Oct 05 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's sad that the Chicago police even have to give people advice on how to hunker down for a riot because a criminal was shot and killed four years ago. On top of having one of the worst crime rates in general for a big city, Chicagoans also have to deal with the fallout from what happens when a criminal gets shot, unless he was given the death sentence by another criminal, and then we ignore that and go about our | Oct 05 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | business. | Oct 05 22:20 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: really there is a issue that schools spend teaching a lot of things people will not use. Without teaching the importance of critical thinking and skills to self locate information. | Oct 05 22:28 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: so you don't know how to do area of triangle you are not stuffed if you know how to look up how to-do that. | Oct 05 22:28 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: problem is you teach critical thinking it will make elected officials life hard. | Oct 05 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, case in point, the Illinois Governor's race that's going on now. | Oct 05 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Two billionaires. Two criminals. Screwed either way.... | Oct 05 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, we know what we get with Republican Bruce Rauner, the current governor. | Oct 05 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | More shut downs, more pollution, more finger pointing, more slashing of the safety net. | Oct 05 22:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But with Democrat JB Pritzker, we get unbalanced budgets, a junk credit rating, more entitlements, more sweetheart deals with the public unions, more taxes, and a guy who cheated his way out of his own taxes with illegal deductions. | Oct 05 22:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | See, you do have a choice. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. | Oct 05 22:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Meh, inner city people who have shit neighborhoods and lots of crime think that Pritzker is going to be the magic bullet that ends all of that. ;) | Oct 05 22:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, he'll just make their plight worse. By chasing out employers and making them more dependent on government handouts, that's.....not a favor. | Oct 05 22:34 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: I have never checked USA law what happens if over 50 percent of people vote incorrectly | Oct 05 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those welfare programs have to be funded by something. Namely taxes on people and employers. When they leave and nobody pays the taxes, the welfare programs will have to go anyway. | Oct 05 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: Vote incorrectly? | Oct 05 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You mean don't choose a candidate from the ballot? | Oct 05 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It depends. Generally that part of the ballot is considered spoiled and is not counted in the total for that office. | Oct 05 22:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's totally possible to go to vote and only vote on one question or one office, if you wanted to. | Oct 05 22:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In some places, if no candidate gets 50% of the vote, then it goes into a runoff election where the top two face off against each other. | Oct 05 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's how the Chicago mayor is selected. | Oct 05 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It happened to Rahm Emanuel in 2015. | Oct 05 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | States can run their elections pretty much however they want to. | Oct 05 22:38 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: in Australia 51% of the vote you have to win to get seat. Now here is nasty catch yes those informal vote are put aside in Australia and countered. If informal vote by some rareness equals 51% of informal/invaild votes a new election is run and current candates cannot be in the next election. | Oct 05 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even though the US Consitution was amended to allow th public direct elections for US Senators, some states have runoff election provisions for that. | Oct 05 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not illegal because the people do get to decide who their Senator will be. | Oct 05 22:38 |
| oiaohm | So you don't have a method to cancel out candates over there. | Oct 05 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most states give it to whoever got the most votes, even if there is nobody who got close to 50%. | Oct 05 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie public has method to cancel out candates. | Oct 05 22:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can leave an office unchecked if you want. | Oct 05 22:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But if they run unopposed, they get the office even if they only get 1 vote. | Oct 05 22:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of times, I select "Write-in" and vote for myself in those cases. :) | Oct 05 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Warped is if you won that way. | Oct 05 22:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I have gotten votes for myself for Cook County Board President, Cook County Sheriff, and a few other things. | Oct 05 22:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, but it's rare to win a write-in campaign. | Oct 05 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, if I really started knocking on doors and got other people to support me, it could happen, but it's not going to. | Oct 05 22:41 |
| oiaohm | We don't have the write in option. | Oct 05 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Basically you hate the vote you cross out all the boxes. | Oct 05 22:42 |
| oiaohm | and if enough of us do it they have to find new candates. | Oct 05 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would be weird if I won, not the least of which because I'd be the first elected official at that level to not be a Democrat in over 100 years. | Oct 05 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the first Independent ever. | Oct 05 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Please note that cancel as a candate if it done is for remainder of life. | Oct 05 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Chicago has been around long enough that it has had people who were not Democrats or Republicans in city offices. | Oct 05 22:43 |
| XRevan86 | *cough* Democracy *cough* | Oct 05 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But most of them were Whigs. | Oct 05 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US has had a viable third party at various times and places, but they usually disappear. | Oct 05 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Whigs and the "State's Rights Democratic Party" (Dixiecrats) were the most notable. | Oct 05 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I bet it's pretty hard to get big when ballots around the country can simply ignore your existence. | Oct 05 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Dixiecrats broke away from the Democrats in response to the Civil Rights Movement of the 20th century. | Oct 05 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They favored keeping segregation, redlining, ballot taxes and "literacy tests", and other Jim Crow laws. | Oct 05 22:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Ah, that's before Democrats and Republicans flipped? | Oct 05 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: Yeah, the Libertarians and the Greens are the biggest third parties, and the highest they usually get elected to is a county level office somewhere. | Oct 05 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Dixiecrats were largely absorbed by the Republican Party in the 60s and 70s. | Oct 05 22:47 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: That sounds like there department | Oct 05 22:47 |
| XRevan86 | conservatism | Oct 05 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The moderate and liberal Republicans got absorbed by the Democratic Party. | Oct 05 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a re-alignment happening again. | Oct 05 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans are gaining uneducated people in rural areas, and losing educated people in suburban areas. | Oct 05 22:49 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: re-alignment? | Oct 05 22:49 |
| XRevan86 | I think the Republican party will just go down their road, simplifying their conservative position | Oct 05 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Usa lacks mandoary voting like Australia has. If you don't want to vote here in Australia it costs 20 dollars the first time 50 dollars every time after that. So its not free not to vote. | Oct 05 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I don't think that's nearly the biggest issue | Oct 05 22:52 |
| XRevan86 | The most two-party things are the house of representatives (is that how it's called) which buffers out non-twin-party candidates and the non-federal nature of federal elections | Oct 05 22:53 |
| XRevan86 | It simply doesn't make sense to me that in federal elections in ballots states can choose whom to put | Oct 05 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | naturally the lowest common denominator will be Democrats and Republicans | Oct 05 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | Even the official rhetoric that puts everyone who's not a Democrat or a Republican as an Independent assumes that there's literally only two parties possible ever | Oct 05 22:56 |
| XRevan86 | that's hardcoded | Oct 05 22:56 |
| XRevan86 | one party, another party, independent from parties | Oct 05 22:56 |
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| MinceR | http://asset-c.soupcdn.com/asset/14420/8044_c0e7_500.jpeg | Oct 05 23:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The number of people who do vote in the US has gone down to about 1/3rd of eligible voters, if that. | Oct 05 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes 24-25% in the midterms. | Oct 05 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the politiicans don't care about what people who don't vote want. | Oct 05 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Maybe it'd be higher if there was more of a difference between the "lose" and "win" scenarios | Oct 05 23:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's a big reason why our government is the way it is. They've been making it harder to go to college for years because they don't worry about young people, because young people don't vote. | Oct 05 23:07 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Because when they will, they'll vote the DNC and GOP out? | Oct 05 23:08 |
| XRevan86 | I suppose it does matter which Communist Party member to get into the Parliament, but in the end the outcome difference is not worth the effort of actually figuring out which one is less of a scumbag | Oct 05 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: People have lives, maybe they don't want to waste time on figuring out which candidate will be more gentle | Oct 05 23:11 |
| XRevan86 | Albeit after Trump I expect and hope people got the message for the next presidential elections %) | Oct 05 23:12 |
| MinceR | you expect too much of them | Oct 05 23:12 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550208.jpg | Oct 05 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: dunno, I don't know 'merican mentality nearly as much as I wanted to | Oct 05 23:18 |
| XRevan86 | maybe then I'd understand better the SJW vs. alt-right emotionally heated debates about censoring everything better | Oct 05 23:18 |
| MinceR | it's too similar to that on the rest of the planet | Oct 05 23:18 |
| MinceR | like uk, germany, hungary, poland, turkey, russia | Oct 05 23:19 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I do see the other downside in Australia where you don't have that. I still remember a seat in Australia where the ballot paper had 500 candates. Yes you have to number 1 to 500 in the boxes for a valid vote. | Oct 05 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Oddly, in Russia political differences don't affect people relationship's that much | Oct 05 23:19 |
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| MinceR | because the people are more jaded | Oct 05 23:21 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: it one one of the few seats where all the candates end up scratched and a re vote. everyone attempt to vote but less than 51% sucessfully did it with 500 candates. | Oct 05 23:21 |
| MinceR | they're ahead of the game | Oct 05 23:21 |
| MinceR | the rest of the planet will follow | Oct 05 23:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: authoritarian USSR-lovers can work under the same roof with libertarians and no one will blink an eye | Oct 05 23:21 |
| MinceR | actual libertarians or nazis who call themselves "libertarian"? | Oct 05 23:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't think I've ever met a fascist-like "libertarian" yet… | Oct 05 23:22 |
| MinceR | look around in "republican" circles | Oct 05 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Nah, that doesn't fit in well in the Russian context | Oct 05 23:24 |
| XRevan86 | at least as of now | Oct 05 23:24 |
| MinceR | lucky russians | Oct 05 23:24 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not really, it's just that all the conservatives are also polluted with socialist ideas to some extent | Oct 05 23:25 |
| MinceR | national socialist ones | Oct 05 23:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, I mean that the majority of the population of either ideology has grown to expect some stuff from the state | Oct 05 23:26 |
| MinceR | that's not unusual | Oct 05 23:26 |
| MinceR | even some people who pose as "anarcho-capitalists" keep promoting monarchy in place of democracy | Oct 05 23:26 |
| XRevan86 | So the libertarian ideas of "let's free the state from any obligations" don't get much of a traction | Oct 05 23:26 |
| MinceR | ah, so you have communist "libertarian"s? :> | Oct 05 23:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The "republican" types just usually want Stalin back | Oct 05 23:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 05 23:28 |
| XRevan86 | Of course no one of any ideology gets any actual power | Oct 05 23:29 |
| XRevan86 | because there's United Russia for that :) | Oct 05 23:29 |
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| MinceR | :> | Oct 05 23:29 |
| XRevan86 | and I can't think of any ideology that would apply to United Russia | Oct 05 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | except "reactionary stabilitivism" maybe | Oct 05 23:30 |
| MinceR | christian fundamentalism | Oct 05 23:30 |
| MinceR | extreme authoritarianism | Oct 05 23:30 |
| MinceR | extreme entanglement of state and business | Oct 05 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | They just sit there and do whatever they can to continue to sit there | Oct 05 23:31 |
| MinceR | and maintain an alliance with a cult | Oct 05 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | and scare people will the horrors of instability when they won't be sitting there | Oct 05 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | * with the | Oct 05 23:31 |
| MinceR | and abuse their power | Oct 05 23:31 |
| MinceR | and occasionally annex part of a neighboring state to appease the rabble | Oct 05 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | If the cult can help them sit there, they'll work with the cult | Oct 05 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | if the cult doesn't, they'll ruin the cult | Oct 05 23:32 |
| MinceR | i don't see how that cult could get worse | Oct 05 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "ruin" with publicity | Oct 05 23:32 |
| MinceR | that would be interesting | Oct 05 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: My point is that they don't really care | Oct 05 23:32 |
| MinceR | see the rabble deal with their sudden onset cognitive dissonance | Oct 05 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The amount of double-think on the state TV is so high that I don't think they're scared to lose integrity | Oct 05 23:33 |
| MinceR | lol, wikipedia claims united russia's ideology includes "centrism" while its political position is "right-wing" | Oct 05 23:34 |
| XRevan86 | I suppose its right-wingness showed when Medvedev told to the teacher asking him about low salaries that he should've went to business %) | Oct 05 23:35 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if there's a version of that clip with subtitles %) | Oct 05 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/-u0YDyUgvAM pity, no subtitles | Oct 05 23:37 |
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| XRevan86 | but here's a proof I didn't imagine it :) | Oct 05 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You can follow the reactions to get roughly what he said %) | Oct 05 23:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Unless *you* actually know Russian | Oct 05 23:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You did show some understanding of it ;) | Oct 05 23:39 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 05 23:39 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, they'd actually love to continue "serving" people as much as they do, they just don't want to be accountable for it | Oct 05 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | or to where the budget actually goes | Oct 05 23:52 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk01eeKMD_I | Oct 05 23:55 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: To cheer you up a bit, Putin's rating is sinking the last few months | Oct 05 23:55 |
| MinceR | how close are you to a revolution? | Oct 05 23:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: passively holding a grudge | Oct 05 23:56 |
| MinceR | pft | Oct 05 23:56 |
| XRevan86 | or passively-agressively maybe | Oct 05 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DaemonFC: Because when they will, they'll vote the DNC and GOP out? | Oct 05 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People don't vote because they've lost faith in the system after watching things go on more or less the same for decades. I mean, the parties are different, but they aren't interested in tackling the big problems. | Oct 05 23:57 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: exactly | Oct 05 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The parties don't mind the low turnout as long as they continue to win. | Oct 05 23:57 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Thing is, I don't think it matters to them either way | Oct 05 23:58 |
| XRevan86 | at least not in a significant way | Oct 05 23:58 |
| XRevan86 | https://pp.userapi.com/c850724/v850724933/8173/2d28GA2btH8.jpg :D | Oct 05 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Democrats didn't raise the minimum wage, make college more affordable, or give us single payer health care. | Oct 05 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans didn't scrap abortion or gay marriage. | Oct 05 23:59 |
| XRevan86 | A programming language in Church Slavic/Slavonic (not real, probably) | Oct 05 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just getting to be a situation where more people are burning out because their priorities don't get done. | Oct 05 23:59 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 05 23:59 |
| MinceR | well, there's one in latin and one in klingon | Oct 05 23:59 |
| XRevan86 | and with real icons | Oct 06 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's actually pretty hard for the courts to reverse a decision as big as gay marriage. I mean, it would instantly void the marriages of several million people. | Oct 06 00:00 |
| MinceR | not all icons are real :( | Oct 06 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also the federal government would have to scramble to change the whole system again depending on which state you live in. It would cost the government more money. | Oct 06 00:00 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Um, I don't think that's a problem, just forbid any new ones. | Oct 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's easier to keep things how they are. The Republicans probably don't really care. | Oct 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: It's not that easy. | Oct 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Under federalism, the federal government has to respect what the states have done. | Oct 06 00:01 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: They are probably in their hearts of the same ideology as the United Russia ;) | Oct 06 00:01 |
| MinceR | not so much only in the heart anymore | Oct 06 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which means that even if that ruling were reversed, everyone who gets married and lives in a state where it would continue being legal would still be recognized. | Oct 06 00:02 |
| MinceR | they elected Agent Orange | Oct 06 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that can't be allowed because of the 14th amendment. | Oct 06 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Equal Protection Clause and the Full Faith and Credit Clause are both part of the constitution. | Oct 06 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How do you enforce one and not the other? | Oct 06 00:03 |
| MinceR | with Hypocrisy | Oct 06 00:03 |
| MinceR | a well respected ancient technology | Oct 06 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's something that the courts don't want to take on. If it ends up back at the Supreme Court there will just be an unsigned letter saying "We're not hearing this." or vacating the lower court ruling. | Oct 06 00:03 |
| XRevan86 | also an international standard | Oct 06 00:03 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 06 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Supreme Court almost never reverses itself anyway. | Oct 06 00:05 |
| XRevan86 | > not so much only in the heart anymore | Oct 06 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It certainly can, but it has to go over all of the reasons why its former ruling was wrong, and it's considered pretty embarrassing to the court. | Oct 06 00:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't know, maybe they actually care at least about some of their bigotry | Oct 06 00:06 |
| MinceR | who doesn't? | Oct 06 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One case where it reversed itself was when Lawrence v. Texas reversed Bowers v. Hardwick.t | Oct 06 00:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I think United Russia will pass literally everything if it helps securing its position and the position of its capital | Oct 06 00:07 |
| MinceR | you seem to expect them to respond too much to the people :> | Oct 06 00:08 |
| MinceR | they're not held responsible | Oct 06 00:08 |
| MinceR | that would require a democracy | Oct 06 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The mistake that the left has made was boycotting the elections and allowing people like Bush and Trump to get in and appoint realatively young right-wing judges that will be on the courts for 35-40 years. | Oct 06 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, I don't | Oct 06 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The chances that we get lucky and one or two of them keel over next time there's a Democrat in the White House is small. | Oct 06 00:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But they do move a bit to soften the outcry | Oct 06 00:09 |
| MinceR | yeah, into ukraine :> | Oct 06 00:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: that too %) | Oct 06 00:10 |
| XRevan86 | But I mean, if they'll know that legalising gay marriage will help Rotenbergs make money, Russia would be the wokest country of the world | Oct 06 00:10 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550201.png | Oct 06 00:11 |
| MinceR | who are the rotenbergs? | Oct 06 00:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: … a family | Oct 06 00:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkady_Rotenberg | Oct 06 00:12 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: One of the biggest ones | Oct 06 00:13 |
| MinceR | and their strings are not pulled by putler? | Oct 06 00:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's debatable who pulls whose strings | Oct 06 00:13 |
| XRevan86 | not yet determined | Oct 06 00:13 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 06 00:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But of course these are all trusted people of Putin | Oct 06 00:20 |
| XRevan86 | they didn't just happen to be on the top | Oct 06 00:20 |
| XRevan86 | It's a weird thing about Russian politics | Oct 06 00:22 |
| XRevan86 | most of the people on the top are connected to Putin in some banal ways | Oct 06 00:23 |
| XRevan86 | Putin's bodyguard, Putin's comrades from the Dacha-building co-operation | Oct 06 00:23 |
| XRevan86 | Putin's cook | Oct 06 00:24 |
| XRevan86 | Putin's karate trainer | Oct 06 00:24 |
| XRevan86 | I guess he's not a good HR, so he has to work with whom he already knows otherwise %) | Oct 06 00:36 |
| MinceR | "trusted", probably more like "controlled"/"blackmailed" | Oct 06 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | loyal in one way or the other | Oct 06 00:49 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550108.jpg | Oct 06 00:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://youtu.be/f42N17rqxws have you seen this? %) | Oct 06 00:54 |
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| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppets_(TV_series) | Oct 06 00:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Puppets (TV series) - Wikipedia | Oct 06 00:55 | |
| MinceR | no | Oct 06 00:56 |
| XRevan86 | That particular episode is a parody on Klein Zaches | Oct 06 00:56 |
| MinceR | i don't know what that is | Oct 06 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | A German fairy tale | Oct 06 00:57 |
| MinceR | rotenberg is claimed to be a russian citizen and have an order of friendship award, which is claimed to be for foreigners | Oct 06 00:57 |
| MinceR | what gives? | Oct 06 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's statutum was changed in April 2012 | Oct 06 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | > Орденом Дружбы награждаются граждане Российской Федерации, а также граждане иностранных государст | Oct 06 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | > The Order of Friendship is awarded to citizens of the Russian Federation and also citizens of other countries | Oct 06 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | for bla-bla-bla | Oct 06 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Anyway, you can probably see how Puppets and then (the real) NTV saw their end %) | Oct 06 01:07 |
| MinceR | they featured vlad? | Oct 06 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yes | Oct 06 01:09 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/qU2fBZ2.jpg | Oct 06 01:13 |
| XRevan86 | and now his rating is tanking because no one believes his promises about the pension reform | Oct 06 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | When the talks started I did mention on this channel that it is getting huge | Oct 06 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | it's still huge | Oct 06 01:15 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Oct 06 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | it's been huge for like 4 months | Oct 06 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | One of the notable things is that on his "elections" Putin in his promises explicitly said that he will not do such a thing | Oct 06 01:17 |
| XRevan86 | and then he did | Oct 06 01:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 06 01:17 |
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| XRevan86 | and now he's trying to lie his way through it | Oct 06 01:18 |
| XRevan86 | but people are no longer buying it | Oct 06 01:18 |
| XRevan86 | Definitely not revolution material, but a strong albeit small step in that direction. | Oct 06 01:21 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 06 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | But who knows, time will show | Oct 06 01:23 |
| XRevan86 | screwups keep showing up | Oct 06 01:23 |
| XRevan86 | Chechnya got itself a bit of lang from Ingushetia, and now there are riots there | Oct 06 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | * of land | Oct 06 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | I bet the United Russia didn't expect that otherwise they would'n've granted the Kadyrov's wish so readily | Oct 06 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | There are famously three golden regions in Russia | Oct 06 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | Moscow (duh), Chechnya and Crimea | Oct 06 01:26 |
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| XRevan86 | The centre and two potentionally unstable regions | Oct 06 01:27 |
| MinceR | what makes them golden? | Oct 06 01:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: huge investments | Oct 06 01:28 |
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| XRevan86 | insane budgets | Oct 06 01:28 |
| MinceR | yeah, i figure one would have to be insane to invest in chechnya or occupied crimea | Oct 06 01:28 |
| XRevan86 | from the state | Oct 06 01:29 |
| MinceR | what does the state want from chechnya? | Oct 06 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Probably to be calm and cozy | Oct 06 01:29 |
| MinceR | well, if they wanted it to be cozy, they shouldn't have added to its area :> | Oct 06 01:30 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War | Oct 06 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Second Chechen War - Wikipedia | Oct 06 01:30 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Kadyrov want, Kadyrov get | Oct 06 01:31 |
| XRevan86 | else Kadyrov mutiny, maybe | Oct 06 01:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116216 [https://pleroma.site/objects/20bff91e-1aad-407e-b165-03a374982ae5] | Oct 06 01:32 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550096.jpg | Oct 06 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | There are reports that in parts of Ingushetia Internet is blocked | Oct 06 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | of course I haven't heard about the situation from TV %) | Oct 06 01:35 |
| XRevan86 | I've asked some people, they have no clue | Oct 06 01:35 |
| XRevan86 | "A thing in Ingushetia? What thing?" | Oct 06 01:35 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 06 01:36 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/FV9ysUJUIiE this video is perfect | Oct 06 01:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Пахомов - YouTube | Oct 06 01:39 | |
| XRevan86 | A guy with the camera tries to ask a question from the mayor of Sochi | Oct 06 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | "Anatoly Nikolayevich, greetings, can you answer a question?" | Oct 06 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | all he says | Oct 06 01:40 |
| schestowitz | go on | Oct 06 01:41 |
| XRevan86 | he got 5 days %) | Oct 06 01:41 |
| MinceR | in prison? | Oct 06 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | detention | Oct 06 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | so yes | Oct 06 01:42 |
| schestowitz | lol | Oct 06 01:42 |
| schestowitz | no goulag service? | Oct 06 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Like the one I linked to the other day? | Oct 06 01:44 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/AL2pxPYiQR4 Magas, Indushetia | Oct 06 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-СТРЕЛЬБА НА МИТИНГЕ В МАГАСЕ - ИНГУШЕТИЯ 2018 - YouTube | Oct 06 01:46 | |
| XRevan86 | * Ingushetia | Oct 06 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | yea, not newsworthy | Oct 06 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | Interesting that there's nothing in English about the Russia-wide mayor elections in all the cities that do elect mayors | Oct 06 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | For one thing, the situation in Primorye got interesting | Oct 06 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | I'm too lazy to describe it myself %) | Oct 06 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | Basically, a candidate not from the United Russia was winning | Oct 06 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | and then the second tour got cancelled, and now Putin is looking for someone to lead the region in the arisen situation | Oct 06 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | and apparently that someone is Oleg Kozhemyako | Oct 06 02:00 |
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| XRevan86 | If someone is interested, I can describe the situation in greater detail %). | Oct 06 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | … after I get some sleep. | Oct 06 02:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The elections in Russia are a little more than suspect, but the US is getting a little worse every time lately. | Oct 06 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I still vote because, well, for example, Illinois will have a governor, Bruce Rauner is worse, and staying out of it and letting him win isn't something I want to think about. | Oct 06 02:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I know that our taxes are going way up the minute Pritzker gets in. | Oct 06 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He has to raise money to dole out welfare for the people who are going to keep hin there. | Oct 06 02:23 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It's not suspect, it's a complete farse | Oct 06 02:23 |
| XRevan86 | Is that a word in English? | Oct 06 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | farce * | Oct 06 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Farce" is the spelling, but yeah. | Oct 06 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | It is if spelled correctly (: | Oct 06 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm just kind of hoping the Democrats take Congress and they and Trump can spend a few years throwing poop at each other instead of passing more laws. | Oct 06 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The House will stop passing bills, other than ones to embarrass Trump, and launch a lot of investigations. | Oct 06 02:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Senate will probably just sit there largely paralyzed like it is now. | Oct 06 02:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the Democrats do take the Senate somehow, 1 in 3 chance, it will be by the narrowest margins and the "moderate" Democrats will not allow much to get done. | Oct 06 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Best case is a government that stumbles around in the wilderness. | Oct 06 02:27 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #AbiWord - A sleeping giant or a dying dinosaur? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116217 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6f936e83-f6ab-4b10-b096-ee3718057f22] | Oct 06 02:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Qt 5.12 LTS Beta Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116218 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9973abe0-c51e-4eb9-941e-60f31231d006] | Oct 06 02:36 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #DXVK 0.81 Released and #VKD3D 1.1 Being Prepped For Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116219 [https://pleroma.site/objects/64b0b70f-6a4c-47a1-b2cd-2f6b5e6c29e7] | Oct 06 02:41 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: It is with great pleasure that we announce the release of #Mageia 6.1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116220 #mdv #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/b86e2e7e-f5a4-4040-9399-d5aafd5fba45] | Oct 06 02:54 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Events: Ubuntu Events, XDC, and GStreamer Conference http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116221 [https://pleroma.site/objects/74b36bc8-843e-43b9-b993-e08e94ad3200] | Oct 06 03:02 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mageia is still using GNOME 3.24? Wow. | Oct 06 03:06 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Cauldron? | Oct 06 03:07 |
| *XRevan86 knows almost nothing of Mageia because couldn't find anything interesting there even a little bit | Oct 06 03:08 | |
| XRevan86 | At least from a maintainer standpoint | Oct 06 03:10 |
| XRevan86 | They still use SVN | Oct 06 03:10 |
| XRevan86 | It looks like Fedora, except a bit worse | Oct 06 03:10 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: China's going to make a mobile OS and everyone will love it, predict ball-gazing analysts http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116222 [https://pleroma.site/objects/00ee40c3-cbf8-4301-9f0c-1af5f83e23ff] | Oct 06 03:12 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hmmm, they plan to migrate to DNF. | Oct 06 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They mention removing obsolete RPM macros. | Oct 06 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Autotools.....Dear God no. | Oct 06 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, everybody is switching over to meson because it neatly cleans up the Autotools mess. | Oct 06 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've ended up in autocrap hell a time or two. | Oct 06 03:18 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: What obsolete macros? | Oct 06 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Meson is a lot faster and it doesn't get hung up as much. | Oct 06 03:19 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: %configure ? %) | Oct 06 03:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, for really old versions of autocrap. | Oct 06 03:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For the most part, Flatpak gets development builds of your software out to users, but the sandbox makes it hard to debug them when they crash. | Oct 06 03:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it looks like providing an easy way to build your program is better than using Flatpak for this purpose. | Oct 06 03:21 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I didn't realise what I got myself into when Igor Gnatenko asked me to package meson for openSUSE :) | Oct 06 03:21 |
| XRevan86 | It wasn't big back then | Oct 06 03:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think I booted my laptop into openSUSE once. I don't recall why I didn't install it. | Oct 06 03:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not really influential the way that Fedora is anymore and I have bad bad memories of YAST. | Oct 06 03:22 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Meh, I just want something that's easy to contribute to | Oct 06 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It being very slow and too easy to get yourself into a dependency hell just by activating the wrong repos. | Oct 06 03:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My luck, I'd bother to learn it and then it goes away. | Oct 06 03:23 |
| XRevan86 | openSUSE is very easy to contribute to once you get to know their best practices for RPM specs | Oct 06 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've been sold to a new owner how many times now? | Oct 06 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't even remember who owns it now. | Oct 06 03:24 |
| XRevan86 | > and too easy to get yourself into a dependency hell just by activating the wrong repos. | Oct 06 03:24 |
| XRevan86 | Not easier than on Fedora | Oct 06 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Red Hat is a fairly large company that's unlikely to just up and disappear. | Oct 06 03:24 |
| XRevan86 | > I don't even remember who owns it now. | Oct 06 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I used openSUSE for a while like 10 years ago so that's really most of what I know. | Oct 06 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hope stuff has improved. | Oct 06 03:25 |
| XRevan86 | I don't either. An investment company that plans to pop off in a few years | Oct 06 03:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Generally when you develop a bunch of your own utilities, things go downhill fast. | Oct 06 03:26 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: So it's fair to say that it's owned by SUSE | Oct 06 03:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The larger companies tend to be more stable. | Oct 06 03:26 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I don't think openSUSE is going anywhere | Oct 06 03:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandriva was a roller coaster, nearly went broke a few times and eventually did. 😛 | Oct 06 03:27 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/116223 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5c9e6566-7364-47d5-83a9-fae7f829c07c] | Oct 06 03:27 | |
| XRevan86 | If it does, I'll move to Arch %) | Oct 06 03:27 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Well, Mandriva is another Fedora from the looks of it | Oct 06 03:28 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: And that's one more than enough | Oct 06 03:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What I'd like to know is how Ubuntu keeps going. It's kind of junk, really. | Oct 06 03:28 |
| XRevan86 | And now there are two mandrivas… | Oct 06 03:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they even managed to make Linux viruses mainstream with Snap. | Oct 06 03:28 |
| XRevan86 | > Mandriva was a roller coaster, nearly went broke a few times and eventually did. 😛 | Oct 06 03:28 |
| XRevan86 | Even then, you can continue using Mageia | Oct 06 03:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could upgrade from Mandriva 2010 to Mageia 1. | Oct 06 03:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't go that route. | Oct 06 03:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | OpenMandriva is something entirely different and I don't think I'm comfortable running it on my computer. | Oct 06 03:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think it's some Russian company that gets government money. | Oct 06 03:31 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: ROSA? | Oct 06 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Interestingly, I think it is the only distribution that uses Clang as the default compiler. | Oct 06 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unfortunately, that's not a good thing. | Oct 06 03:32 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: IIRC Mageia too | Oct 06 03:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The compiled code is slower than if you had used GCC in almost every case. | Oct 06 03:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mageia uses GCC. | Oct 06 03:32 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: And it's permissive licence entryism | Oct 06 03:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The main reason Clang and LLVM came around is because of the anti-GPL groups like Apple and such. | Oct 06 03:33 |
| XRevan86 | Which isn't justified because, like you said, Clang produces worse code | Oct 06 03:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know why you'd use it. | Oct 06 03:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can license any program you compile with GCC however you want. | Oct 06 03:33 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It has a better static a analyser though | Oct 06 03:33 |
| XRevan86 | At least it used to, GCC received a lot of work in this area | Oct 06 03:34 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: BSDs love Clang | Oct 06 03:34 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You can guess why they do :) | Oct 06 03:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, use it for that then and make your builds with GCC. | Oct 06 03:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GDB is becoming a raging dumpster fire though. | Oct 06 03:35 |
| XRevan86 | The only reason why OpenBSD is cautious about it is limited architecture support | Oct 06 03:35 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Indeed, that's what most people do anyway | Oct 06 03:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anything but the simplest backtrace probably causes GDB to crash and offer to analyze itself. 😁 | Oct 06 03:36 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I never saw that happen | Oct 06 03:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you have it backtrace multiple threads at once is usually when it dies. | Oct 06 03:36 |
| XRevan86 | And I tried backtracing boost programmes with it | Oct 06 03:37 |
| cubexyz | openbsd still supports alpha, loongson, sgi, sparc... | Oct 06 03:38 |
| cubexyz | they did drop a lot of other architectures though | Oct 06 03:38 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: And so they're with GCC | Oct 06 03:38 |
| XRevan86 | Although they were talking about moving to clang conditionally where they could | Oct 06 03:38 |
| XRevan86 | Dunno if they actually did | Oct 06 03:39 |
| cubexyz | back in 2017 they switched, but one can still use gcc | Oct 06 03:39 |
| XRevan86 | I'm just showing what kind of people are interested in Clang | Oct 06 03:40 |
| XRevan86 | Not just GPL-hating corporations | Oct 06 03:41 |
| XRevan86 | but also GPL-hating ideologically driven software developers | Oct 06 03:41 |
| XRevan86 | libertarianesque | Oct 06 03:42 |
| cubexyz | better LTO I guess | Oct 06 03:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: huh? | Oct 06 03:43 |
| cubexyz | Link-time Optimization | Oct 06 03:43 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Like mentioned above, not the case | Oct 06 03:44 |
| cubexyz | oh ok | Oct 06 03:44 |
| cubexyz | no idea then :) | Oct 06 03:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's pure ideology | Oct 06 03:44 |
| cubexyz | I think loki and LGP used gcc | Oct 06 03:46 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: GPL restricts freedoms, and that's not good, so let's use something that allows to do *anything*, that's the libertarian^W permissive way | Oct 06 03:46 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: There wasn't a clang back then | Oct 06 03:46 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: such freedoms as a freedom to EULA, a freedom to tivoisation… | Oct 06 03:47 |
| XRevan86 | and other important freedoms | Oct 06 03:48 |
| cubexyz | right, well look at it this way... if you wrote some FOSS what license would you use? most likely you would use GPL | Oct 06 03:48 |
| cubexyz | probably most of the people in here would | Oct 06 03:48 |
| XRevan86 | To replace busybox toybox has been written | Oct 06 03:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, depends on whether I consider it has even a shred of worth | Oct 06 03:50 |
| XRevan86 | it to have * | Oct 06 03:50 |
| XRevan86 | If it's a Python script of 20 lines, then probably MIT | Oct 06 03:50 |
| cubexyz | I might even consider the motif license in some cases | Oct 06 03:50 |
| XRevan86 | If it's a bloody compiler, then GPLv3 | Oct 06 03:51 |
| cubexyz | in the old days we just put the code out there, no license | Oct 06 03:52 |
| XRevan86 | and that's the story of the Windows network stack | Oct 06 03:52 |
| XRevan86 | kidding (: | Oct 06 03:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe you have a little code in Windows 10, you can be proud :D | Oct 06 03:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they are using gcc, it's probably pre-2007 because of their fanatical anti-copyleft hatred. | Oct 06 03:53 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: well, obviously | Oct 06 03:54 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, possible, I did write wincube :) | Oct 06 03:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So moving to clang from thar would be an improvement, but moving to gcc 8.x would be a far bigger one. | Oct 06 03:54 |
| XRevan86 | GPLv3 is the most evil thing ever | Oct 06 03:54 |
| XRevan86 | Though BSDs unlike Apple do ship modern bash | Oct 06 03:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I prefer GPLv3, and you know, it wouldn't stop me from using KDE, which has avoided it, except KDE has fully gone to shit. | Oct 06 03:55 |
| XRevan86 | Probably because they also don't preinstall it | Oct 06 03:55 |
| cubexyz | I tried Mint 18.3 last night, the KDE version | Oct 06 03:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | OpemBSD defaults to pdksh I think. | Oct 06 03:56 |
| cubexyz | it wasn't too bad | Oct 06 03:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bash is available, but you can also use modern Bash on a Mac. | Oct 06 03:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With Homebrew. | Oct 06 03:56 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Yeah, yeah, with unofficial methods | Oct 06 03:56 |
| cubexyz | openbsd used to use korn shell, but I don't know what they use now | Oct 06 03:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And as a developer, you can't just assume it's there, because it's usually not. | Oct 06 03:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pfft | Oct 06 03:57 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You can also install Emacs with homebrew, still doesn't give Apple a bit of credit | Oct 06 03:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I tried the Korn shell and didn't like it. | Oct 06 03:57 |
| XRevan86 | Except maybe for still allowing root on macOS | Oct 06 03:58 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, Plan9 folks use pcc :) | Oct 06 03:59 |
| cubexyz | I realize that is the fringe but I thought I'd mention it | Oct 06 03:59 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: from outer space | Oct 06 03:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't be caught dead with a Mac. | Oct 06 03:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hated it the moment I tried using one. | Oct 06 03:59 |
| XRevan86 | I tried once, still feel embarrassed for fail at their interface completely | Oct 06 04:00 |
| cubexyz | Apple does appear to be the incarnation of evil these days | Oct 06 04:00 |
| XRevan86 | for failing * | Oct 06 04:00 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, apple users == posers :) | Oct 06 04:01 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's the main force behind Clang | Oct 06 04:01 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: So the BSD world probably begs to differ %) | Oct 06 04:01 |
| XRevan86 | O still remember that FreeBSD wanted to move to launchd | Oct 06 04:02 |
| XRevan86 | Apple's XML-based init system | Oct 06 04:03 |
| cubexyz | I maintain one openbsd system | Oct 06 04:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cups will likely need a fork eventually. | Oct 06 04:04 |
| cubexyz | so I'm pro-GPL, and use openbsd | Oct 06 04:04 |
| XRevan86 | I guess printerd didn't get anywhere | Oct 06 04:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've never gotten FreeBSD fully working on any of my computers. | Oct 06 04:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's not a network card, it's a graphics chip. | Oct 06 04:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And if it's neither of those, there's no sound. | Oct 06 04:05 |
| cubexyz | mostly I use slackware, but I also have one Mint Linux, one embedix linux, one BL3 (slackware derivative), and a bunch of simh projects | Oct 06 04:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I mainly don't use that because I've never gotten it to work correctly. | Oct 06 04:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's nice to see GNOME developers caring about memory usage all of a sudden. | Oct 06 04:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: As long as you realise what and why :) | Oct 06 04:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, now that I have SIXTEEN GB. | Oct 06 04:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where was this in 2011? | Oct 06 04:06 |
| cubexyz | BL3 -> because of very low memory usage | Oct 06 04:07 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: OpenBSD has trademark security for one thing | Oct 06 04:07 |
| cubexyz | embedix -> came with sharp zaurus | Oct 06 04:07 |
| cubexyz | FC1 -> LGP development (some games must use very old gcc) | Oct 06 04:08 |
| cubexyz | many reasons | Oct 06 04:08 |
| XRevan86 | But they're anti-GPL too | Oct 06 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | OpenBSD is kind of a bunch of braggarts. | Oct 06 04:08 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, maybe some but not all | Oct 06 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the default installation, you really can't do anything, so it doesn't really matter how many holes have been found in that config. | Oct 06 04:09 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Apparently these some also happen to make all the decisions | Oct 06 04:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tell me about configurations that people end up using for a desktop or server or something. | Oct 06 04:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Security holes aren't added to software on purpose, in general, and I don't think that the kernel Linux has more bugs than the BSD ones do. | Oct 06 04:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if it does, look at how many things it does that BSDs don't, including all the hardware it supports that they don't. | Oct 06 04:10 |
| cubexyz | IBM system Z iused Ubuntu, RHEL, and ummm, I think you can use slackware too | Oct 06 04:10 |
| XRevan86 | "This OpenBSD was perfect and had zero holes, but you had to install an HTTP server, didn't you?" | Oct 06 04:10 |
| cubexyz | depends on how much support you want | Oct 06 04:11 |
| cubexyz | if you're the type that says "hell, I can support it myself" then use whatever | Oct 06 04:11 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: There's been a local privilege escalation bug found in Linux again | Oct 06 04:11 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I don't read those articles, because there's nothing new there | Oct 06 04:12 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, another reason: I wanted one KDE 3.5.10 box | Oct 06 04:12 |
| cubexyz | so I got a bunch of different OSes | Oct 06 04:13 |
| cubexyz | did an experiment with Alpine :) | Oct 06 04:13 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: So not exactly security perfection there | Oct 06 04:13 |
| cubexyz | unirubik was written to run on Unix v5 | Oct 06 04:14 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Do you have a Budgie box? ;) | Oct 06 04:14 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Pantheon box, Cinnamon box | Oct 06 04:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LPE doesn't matter very much. | Oct 06 04:15 |
| cubexyz | I tried Cinnamon, it's a rather heavy WM | Oct 06 04:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're rated Low because a physically present attacker will get in somehow anyway. | Oct 06 04:15 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It reduces the protection from user segregation | Oct 06 04:17 |
| XRevan86 | It doesn't have to actually be physically local | Oct 06 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1150106 | Oct 06 04:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-koji.fedoraproject.org | grub2-2.02-62.fc29 | Build Info | koji | Oct 06 04:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | - Limit grub_malloc() on x86_64 to < 31bit addresses, as some devices seem to have a colossally broken storage controller (or UEFI driver) that can't do DMA to higher memory addresses, but fails silently. | Oct 06 04:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ^ LOL! | Oct 06 04:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1626844 | Oct 06 04:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1626844 – grub2-2.02-54.fc29 fails to boot, drops to grub shell | Oct 06 04:23 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Lenovo Thinkpad T440p is the really broken system they refer to, apparently. | Oct 06 04:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks like one of the earler uEFI systems. | Oct 06 04:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 2013-ish | Oct 06 04:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | An ASUS N56V. | Oct 06 04:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some HP Spectres. | Oct 06 04:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A Thinkpad x220. | Oct 06 04:26 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: sorry broken firmware is kind of normal. | Oct 06 04:31 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: there are other creatives like only being able to use cpu0. | Oct 06 04:32 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/550080.jpg | Oct 06 15:03 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18100524 | Oct 06 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 06 15:20 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1810053 | Oct 06 16:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 06 16:09 | |
| XRevan86 | > I does proclaimes: | Oct 06 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Dat Inglish | Oct 06 16:11 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 06 16:12 |
| MinceR | https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe | Oct 06 16:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tvtropes.org | Ye Olde Butcherede Englishe - TV Tropes | Oct 06 16:12 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Similiar to https://lurkmore.to/Боярский_язык, yeah %) | Oct 06 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lurkmore.to | Боярскій языкъ — Lurkmore | Oct 06 16:13 | |
| XRevan86 | Boyarsky yazyk | Oct 06 16:14 |
| MinceR | yo u no percent encoding | Oct 06 16:14 |
| XRevan86 | Itъ isъ a vѣry sophisticatedъ yazykъ | Oct 06 16:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Isъ zatъ a problѣma? | Oct 06 16:15 |
| MinceR | x2x mangles the url :( | Oct 06 16:15 |
| XRevan86 | https://lurkmore.to/%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%8F%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA | Oct 06 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lurkmore.to | Боярскій языкъ — Lurkmore | Oct 06 16:16 | |
| MinceR | thx | Oct 06 16:16 |
| MinceR | lol, is that blyad' in old church slavonic? | Oct 06 16:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 'Tis an old word | Oct 06 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It has a broader sense there though | Oct 06 16:18 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/7KvamLr.gifv | Oct 06 16:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | I pat this random meow and then she followed me like this. | Oct 06 16:27 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18100455 | Oct 06 16:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 06 16:54 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: At least he *felt* ready. | Oct 06 16:59 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 06 17:00 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18100447 | Oct 06 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 06 17:37 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 06 18:23 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Continuing to sort out my portable music library. | Oct 06 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's grown so large that it's becoming hard to manage. | Oct 06 19:35 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Oct 06 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mass migration from MP3 and Ogg Vorbis to Opus by way of going back and transcoding from FLAC is the majority of it. | Oct 06 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :/ | Oct 06 19:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | There was an article yesterday about why anyone would want to be governor of Illinois and wondering if anyone could fix it if they wanted to.... | Oct 06 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Two out of three of the last governors went to prison. One is still in prison. First state to have to impeach and remove a governor from office before he went to prison. | Oct 06 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you go back just to the 1980s, there's three governors who went to prison. | Oct 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since 1978, the federal government has convicted 38 Chicago aldermen of public corruption. | Oct 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state owes more than $130 billion to its pensions that it hasn't been paying, has a credit rating similar to Russia's, and has a current backlog of $14 billion in unpaid bills. | Oct 06 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state passed the largest income tax increase in state history last year, we were told to "balance the budget", and then the state immediately sent the money to new spending instead, meaning more taxes are on the way regardless of who ends up running the state. | Oct 06 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the past year, we've seen the first municipality trigger a state law that automatically confiscates its share of tax revenue that the state collects and sends it to the pension program instead. | Oct 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This caused the city of Harvey to have to lay off most of its remaining police and firefighters and cut city services. | Oct 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Harvey owes Chicago almost $40 million in unpaid water bills. | Oct 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Peoria might be the first city in Illinois that spends 100% of what it currently takes in on pensions. | Oct 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Downstate is emptying out to places that still have jobs and low taxes, which means that Illinois will lose 1-2 seats in Congress and 1-2 electoral votes for president after 2020. | Oct 06 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state of Illinois has failed to pass a Capital Infrastructure spending bill since 2009, and has underfunded the Metra commuter rail to the point where they are considering shutting down an entire line. They had to cancel the purchasing of modern train cars, causing Nippon Sharyo to pull out of Illinois and fire everyone. | Oct 06 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We ended up getting rail cars from Virginia instead, from the 90s, which are just less "used". It beats the crap out of what it's replacing though, as some of Metra's cars have been in service since the 50s, and are breaking down more often every year. | Oct 06 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Chicago Transit Authority has had to replace the lost ffunding with additional property taxes and fare hikes. Metra has hiked fares so much that its ridership has been dwindling, because gassing up your car is getting relatively cheaper. | Oct 06 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Metra board voted down a fare increase this year because while they need the money, they also need people to ride the trains. | Oct 06 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There is still industry in Illinois, although notably, nobody is building new factories or warehouses here and the existing ones continue to pull out. | Oct 06 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who can blame them? The taxes are often halved just by moving a few miles over into another state. | Oct 06 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It should be interesting to see if anything changes. Governor Rauner overplayed his hand when he stared down the legislature and the government partially shut down for 2 years. People may not pay attention to the government, but they notice when basic services stop working. | Oct 06 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: I was wondering how any government can go on like this, legitimate or otherwise. | Oct 06 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Especially in a federal system where there are better options. | Oct 06 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois can't stop anyone from leaving, and a lot of people are leaving. | Oct 06 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: relatives, a cost of moving | Oct 06 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the Illinois government has become less popular here than the one in DC. | Oct 06 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's quite an achievement. | Oct 06 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Congress routinely gets a 13% approval rating, plus or minus a few points, and people keep voting for the same assholes. | Oct 06 20:19 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18100425 | Oct 06 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 06 21:09 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't like his hair | Oct 06 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | also rings, disgusting, what a horrible person | Oct 06 21:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 06 21:12 |
| MinceR | you've got the hang of it | Oct 06 21:13 |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/96am07.jpg | Oct 06 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | Художники должны страдать. Потому они и _худо_жники. | Oct 06 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This was oddly easy to translate %) | Oct 06 21:15 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 06 21:17 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/QUukKxu.jpg | Oct 06 21:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 06 23:57 | |
| *XRevan86 tries out Magisk | Oct 06 23:58 | |
| XRevan86 | it looks like something I always wanted but didn't know it | Oct 06 23:58 |
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