IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: December 9th, 2018 – December 15th, 2018

scientes	yeah I don't get why anyone uses iPhone	Dec 09 00:01
scientes	they are all stupid	Dec 09 00:01
scientes	that said, firefox has a very low share on android, simply because it isn't pre-installed	Dec 09 00:01
DaemonFC[m]	People who were on Tumblr for that seem to be flocking to Reddit or Twitter.	Dec 09 00:01
scientes	and mozilla knew that would happen so they tried to create FirefoxOS	Dec 09 00:02
DaemonFC[m]	I don't know what they're expecting. Apple will just yank those apps too and demand they delete the user accounts and subreddits.	Dec 09 00:02
XRevan86	I've seen lots of "refugees" in the fediverse (Pleroma, Mastodon, GNU social)	Dec 09 00:02
XRevan86	from Tumblr	Dec 09 00:02
MinceR	explains why google can't be arsed to implement extension support in chrome for android	Dec 09 00:03
scientes	and you can't even use chrome on android without "agreeing" to some bullshit	Dec 09 00:04
MinceR	good thing there's no poetteringaudio for android	Dec 09 00:04
scientes	the first thing i do is uninstall it	Dec 09 00:04
MinceR	i don't think i've ever seen it ask me to agree to anything	Dec 09 00:04
scientes	you just clicked through it	Dec 09 00:04
MinceR	unlikely	Dec 09 00:05
scientes	whats wrong with pulseaudio?	Dec 09 00:05
MinceR	that it's shit	Dec 09 00:05
MinceR	it's unreliable, it stutters, it crashes	Dec 09 00:05
scientes	MinceR, https://github.com/pelya/pulseaudio-android	Dec 09 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - pelya/pulseaudio-android: Pulseaudio for Android, built as user-land executable, using NDK		Dec 09 00:05
MinceR	ew	Dec 09 00:05
scientes	https://arunraghavan.net/2012/04/pulseaudio-on-android-part-2/	Dec 09 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arunraghavan.net \| PulseAudio on Android: Part 2 – Arun Raghavan		Dec 09 00:06
MinceR	i hope mozilla doesn't notice that	Dec 09 00:06
DaemonFC[m]	Chrome on Android sucks big time.	Dec 09 00:06
DaemonFC[m]	Even worse than the pre-bundled Samsung crap.	Dec 09 00:06
XRevan86	I cannot remember what Chrome asks from the user, because I've never used ti	Dec 09 00:07
XRevan86	it	Dec 09 00:07
XRevan86	I remember lauching it, it did something unacceptable, and I removed it.	Dec 09 00:07
XRevan86	* launching	Dec 09 00:07
XRevan86	Maybe it demanded gapps	Dec 09 00:08
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112825	Dec 09 00:09
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*XRevan86 opened this link in Firefox Focus		Dec 09 00:10
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112762	Dec 09 00:13
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XRevan86	https://xmppshare.meowr.ru/7018dab47d96f0125923921d7e7b834efc33c532/C6pVoCy05nntOkmo9CO381hWOhQHuxxJRATtKMC3/Screenshot_2018-12-09-03-19-14.png	Dec 09 00:22
scientes	https://steemit.com/money/@drumsta/germany-has-printed-a-0-euro-bill-that-s-worth-2-5-euros-wtf	Dec 09 00:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-steemit.com \| NO TITLE		Dec 09 00:23
scientes	0 Euro bill	Dec 09 00:23
scientes	actually approved by the EU	Dec 09 00:23
XRevan86	scientes: cute	Dec 09 00:24
MinceR	y tho	Dec 09 00:25
MinceR	>This is great, eyeopening example of how fiat currency actually work - money is not worth real value	Dec 09 00:26
MinceR	yet the author believes it has no value _because_ 0 is printed on it	Dec 09 00:26
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112757	Dec 09 01:28
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/4w3OdfN.png	Dec 09 01:46
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: FUD, SystemD, and Windowshttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118270 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5a10f7e9-6c22-4256-8490-21472271b2fe]		Dec 09 01:52
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: AMDGPU Driver Gets Final Batch Of Features For Linux 4.21 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118271 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4ab4975d-2eb2-4d51-ab93-1c9b149fb4a8]		Dec 09 02:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ExTiX 19.0 with Deepin 15.5 Desktop, Refracta snapshot, Calamares 3.2.2 Installer, Kodi 18.0 and kernel 4.20.0-rc4-exton – Build 181208 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118272 [https://pleroma.site/objects/141ae231-45bf-4505-a11a-9cf4ac14f305]		Dec 09 02:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 4.19.8 Released With BLK-MQ Fix To The Recent Data Corruption Bug http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118273 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5a55ff57-6939-4866-a78c-22218e919af9]		Dec 09 02:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNOME and GStreamer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118274 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6b8751a7-63d6-418a-b992-e3b51e4c88ba]		Dec 09 02:48
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118276 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b378597d-90ce-4207-9c38-50d4a9bbb763]		Dec 09 03:23
scientes	https://kutv.com/news/local/thousands-of-state-employees-entangled-in-reply-all-nightmare	Dec 09 04:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Thousands of state employees entangled in reply-all nightmare \| KUTV		Dec 09 04:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Inside, Dirt 4, Sundered: Eldritch Edition http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118277 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f2947d6e-8b37-4b5c-a400-0c9ec8ba80ee]		Dec 09 06:13
scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GlNQzjii1c lol	Dec 09 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Remote village where people walk on all fours \| 60 Minutes Australia - YouTube		Dec 09 06:14
scientes	what a big bunch of rubbish	Dec 09 06:14
scientes	i think the movie makers are bull of bullocks	Dec 09 06:15
scientes	schestowitz, ^ check this out	Dec 09 06:16
scientes	that scientist saying a single gene can't be responsible is a out-of-time retard, not familiar with evodevo were they got a eye to grow out of a fruit-fly's butt with a single gene from a mouse.	Dec 09 06:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: High Resolution Scroll-Wheel Support Re-Added Ahead Of Linux 4.21 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118278 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1655f4a5-5638-41dd-af5d-c0ceb55a3029]		Dec 09 07:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118279 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d492ba86-11d6-4032-8ada-de7647910304]		Dec 09 07:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How Fedora’s Wallpaper Are Made http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118280 [https://pleroma.site/objects/336c15d9-d7eb-41c2-9eab-cb02c1c589ca]		Dec 09 07:20
schestowitz	[06:14] <scientes> what a big bunch of rubbish	Dec 09 07:38
schestowitz	I never heard of it	Dec 09 07:38
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS: Mozilla, WordPress, FreeBSD, Unifont, CZI http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118281 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0b752433-7ee1-4493-b2a5-aa65a54d9e02]		Dec 09 07:45
scientes	schestowitz, if you get to the end of the video they all learned to walk upright	Dec 09 07:50
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scientes	so my hunch was correct	Dec 09 07:50
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gavin_tweets/status/1071673412223791105	Dec 09 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gavin_tweets: @BaKirschenman @schestowitz @wikileaks Um, you are so wrong on that front.		Dec 09 08:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 9/12/2018: New Linux Stable Releases (Notably Linux 4.19.8), RC Coming, and Unifont 11.0.03 http://techrights.org/2018/12/09/linux-4-19-8/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/9e9d5385-41c9-4c50-9150-c5739fb6fffe]		Dec 09 08:05
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schestowitz	scientes: I heard a similar story a long time ago	Dec 09 08:52
schestowitz	It was about a bizarre mother who raised a kid in isolation	Dec 09 08:52
schestowitz	and the kid did now walk	Dec 09 08:52
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oiaohm	scientes: marfans syndrome what is simple to diagnose as a single missing protein so far has been confirmed as been caused by 44 different generic defects. So DNA is a lot more complex.	Dec 09 11:04
oiaohm	scientes: as in 44 different defects can cause it in humans. Worse is having multi of those generic defects that can cause it can also cause person not to have it.	Dec 09 11:05
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schestowitz	>	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> I wonder what kind of horse trading went on in the background for this	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> to happen:	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	>	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/59vke8/microsoft-putting-edge-on-chromium-will-fundamentally-change-the-web	Dec 09 13:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com \| Microsoft Putting Edge on Chromium Will Fundamentally Change the Web - Motherboard		Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	>	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> I expect that although M$ initiated the move, they probably asked for	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> and got some kind of concessions from Google in exchange.	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	>	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> The browser has only ever been a security and reputation liability for	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> M$ and was only needed to help extend and maintain their desktop	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> monopoly. (There was a big infusion of money from the US government	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> recently which should tide them over some months in spite of their years	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> of Enron-style accounting.) Perhaps this gets Google into supporting M$	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> Azure in some way, or Google will block or ignore ODF to help M$	Dec 09 13:28
schestowitz	> maintain control over their file format monopoly.	Dec 09 13:29
schestowitz	Maybe add Windows to some Chromebook as an option?	Dec 09 13:29
oiaohm	schestowitz: that complete post is wishful thinking.	Dec 09 14:22
oiaohm	Its not like IE has been the most power effective thing.	Dec 09 14:22
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3087338/browsers/which-browser-is-best-on-battery-we-test-edge-vs-chrome-vs-opera-vs-firefox.html << This is 2016	Dec 09 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Which browser is best for battery life: We test Edge vs. Chrome vs. Opera vs. Firefox \| PCWorld		Dec 09 14:23
oiaohm	Notice edge is winning but it also rendering the least because it had the least html support at the time.	Dec 09 14:24
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schestowitz	oiaohm: assuming we all surf on batteries	Dec 09 14:48
schestowitz	and that this is the main criterion to measure	Dec 09 14:48
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Git v2.20.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118286 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bcb8c5c8-42e3-43d3-802b-8c5c6af6e68f]		Dec 09 15:12
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: More #Radeon RX 590 Ubuntu Benchmarks - See How Your Linux GPU Performance Compares http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118288 [https://pleroma.site/objects/119a2444-238a-43d7-9e4d-0d23aa71a25d]		Dec 09 15:32
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Freedreno Gallium3D and #NVIDIA http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118290 [https://pleroma.site/objects/271782c2-ddd7-4ea0-94e5-cd533d41e5d0]		Dec 09 16:05
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 5 Best Linux Distros for Laptops http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118291 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fffe8d47-8458-4a87-aa80-2d9b35aed3f2]		Dec 09 16:23
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112648	Dec 09 17:17
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DaemonFC[m]	"Because Microsoft and Apple have historically had their own first-party browsers, Chromium was always destined to be worse."	Dec 09 18:14
DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, on Windows, because Microsoft uses undocumened and restricted features for themselves and sabotages third party software.	Dec 09 18:14
cubexyz	I left the M$ ecosystem after win2k	Dec 09 18:17
cubexyz	I only tolerated MIcrosoft	Dec 09 18:17
cubexyz	had Minix been further along I would have switched around.... whenever Minix 1.5 was out	Dec 09 18:18
cubexyz	1992 or so	Dec 09 18:18
cubexyz	I knew there were much better OSes than windows, ugh it was horrible	Dec 09 18:24
cubexyz	U of Waterloo had Sun4's in 1989	Dec 09 18:25
cubexyz	and around the same time there was the NeXT Computer	Dec 09 18:27
cubexyz	NexTcube ran the first web server	Dec 09 18:29
cubexyz	Xerox Star, NexT Computer, Sun's were all $$$ of course	Dec 09 18:30
cubexyz	the way things ended up is rather crap	Dec 09 18:30
oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: the big thing is the historic benchmarks say that Apple and Microsoft browsers only was better than chrome/chromium in performance/power usage when they were less feature complete.	Dec 09 20:16
oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: yes theory Microsoft and Apple having internal details should have had their own browsers doing better but that was not the reality.	Dec 09 20:17
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DaemonFC[m]	Chrome was abusing the timer tick if I recall correctly.	Dec 09 21:13
MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtxbaA_WsAAunAE.jpg:orig	Dec 09 21:17
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112620	Dec 09 21:43
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oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: IE was also abusing the timer tick at times.	Dec 09 22:28
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DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, all of the browsers have improved a lot since Microsoft started pointing out that they were all guzling battery life because of their CPU use.	Dec 10 00:51
DaemonFC[m]	They put background tabs in a sort of sleep mode now.	Dec 10 00:52
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top 20 Best #Tizen Apps for November 2018 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118292 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e067d812-0597-4cb0-99a8-3354024752b4]		Dec 10 01:30
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schestowitz	kaniini: would it help if the tuxmachine image was r resent? tessier wants the migration to complete soon, I think I can flip over DNS when I come back from Germany next week	Dec 10 02:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Frameworks 5.53.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118295 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c2946020-5be5-40ca-8365-bb17e485e9b2]		Dec 10 03:12
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Editorial: An open letter to Valve on why they should keep on embracing Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118296 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9f86e1f3-7006-4359-993d-f454d7fbda0b]		Dec 10 03:33
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts: Linux Action News, OpenBSD in Stereo, GNU World Order, Coder Radio and Open Source Security Podcast http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118298 [https://pleroma.site/objects/80cec2ec-f8cd-4cb8-8c66-43040ea1ac98]		Dec 10 03:53
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 4.20-rc6 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118299 [https://pleroma.site/objects/254828ab-6e00-4828-88d5-db901506eb91]		Dec 10 03:59
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schestowitz	Is there a plan in case they try to forcibly expel JA over xmas? It doesn't seem so improbable, better be prepared than regretful afterwards.	Dec 10 17:48
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schestowitz	kaniini: viera offline ;-)	Dec 10 19:25
cubexyz	remember the intel firmware isn't read-only	Dec 10 19:57
cubexyz	you could overwrite it with coreboot or something else	Dec 10 19:58
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schestowitz	tessier: when I cannot ping any address from the centos server, was it fixed at the hypervisor level?	Dec 10 21:13
schestowitz	[03:13] <tessier> schestowitz_log: And it should not have been necessary to do anything special to allow out to IRC. There was one particular VM host for some reason that would not allow outbound connections. I never did figure out why.	Dec 10 21:14
schestowitz	It happens also on the new host with the new VM loaded in, so I'm guessing the same trick is needed	Dec 10 21:15
schestowitz	php complains it cannot locate the IRC address, but then I've realised it cannot ping it either, unlike with the same VM in copilotco	Dec 10 21:16
schestowitz	https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/can%27t-ping-past-gateway-can-ping-server-from-outside-805018/	Dec 10 21:17
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schestowitz	"Okay, I figured out the problem. There was another host in the subnet that was using the IP that was assigned to my server. For some reason, it was that host that was receiving all the ICMP traffic. I figure that the SSH traffic to my server was going through because port 22 was blocked on that host so the traffic went to me. Very strange behavior, but it's fixed."	Dec 10 21:17
schestowitz	aha	Dec 10 21:19
schestowitz	I think it might be DNS settings	Dec 10 21:19
schestowitz	kaniini: what's the local DNS for the datacentre?	Dec 10 21:19
schestowitz	wow, really weird	Dec 10 21:22
schestowitz	I edited /etc/resolv.conf	Dec 10 21:22
schestowitz	and then everything I/O errors...	Dec 10 21:22
schestowitz	cannot even reboot or ssh to it now	Dec 10 21:23
schestowitz	similar to something that happened some years ago	Dec 10 21:24
schestowitz	I was just editing resolv.conf and it went bonkers	Dec 10 21:24
schestowitz	maybe all the binaries partition became inaccessible, kaniini can you reboot 199.19.78.19 please? No idea why editing with nano deadlocked it like this	Dec 10 21:26
schestowitz	on the upside, at least I now know how to make the bots work from the new environment, turns out it's likely related to the DNS settings still pointing at the copilotco local IP	Dec 10 21:28
schestowitz	OK, off to bed now. Seems like kaniini has been offline for a while, along with viera	Dec 10 21:29
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schestowitz	[root@techrights phirce-social]# pwd	Dec 10 21:39
schestowitz	/root/phirce-social	Dec 10 21:39
schestowitz	[root@techrights phirce-social]# ls	Dec 10 21:39
schestowitz	bash: /bin/ls: Input/output error	Dec 10 21:39
schestowitz	Looks like /bin went all wrong, just because I was editing a file... hopefully just a mounting issue that a hard/soft reset can fix	Dec 10 21:40
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18102023	Dec 10 23:44
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18102048	Dec 11 08:12
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XRevan86	https://blog.google/technology/safety-security/expediting-changes-google-plus	Dec 11 08:22
XRevan86	> we have also decided to accelerate the sunsetting of consumer Google+ from August 2019 to April 2019	Dec 11 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.google \| Expediting changes to Google+		Dec 11 08:22
XRevan86	Google+: the new Google vulnerability hang-man	Dec 11 08:23
XRevan86	The more vulnerabilities they found the sooner it closes down %).	Dec 11 08:23
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18102049	Dec 11 08:31
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schestowitz	[08:22] <XRevan86> > we have also decided to accelerate the sunsetting of consumer Google+ from August 2019 to April 2019	Dec 11 08:41
schestowitz	buh bye Torvalds blog	Dec 11 08:41
schestowitz	why he chose Google only gawd knows...	Dec 11 08:41
XRevan86	I never understood why he picked it, an unpopular proprietary platform.	Dec 11 08:42
MinceR	doesn't matter anymore anyway	Dec 11 08:46
XRevan86	This also means Diaspora* outlived Google+	Dec 11 09:44
schestowitz	ha	Dec 11 10:04
schestowitz	true	Dec 11 10:04
schestowitz	mastodon is annoying	Dec 11 10:04
schestowitz	just had to check server's back end	Dec 11 10:04
schestowitz	for each domain they access a link I post	Dec 11 10:04
schestowitz	and this creates a lot of load	Dec 11 10:04
schestowitz	esp. when posted from account with followers from many instances	Dec 11 10:04
schestowitz	automated requests	Dec 11 10:04
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schestowitz	kaniini: any chance of viera revival?	Dec 11 16:10
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/JebdbzJ.gifv	Dec 11 20:10
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schestowitz	nice	Dec 11 21:25
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XRevan86	cubexyz: I'm watching S03E25 of ST:TNG, where a bloke transfigured into a higher being	Dec 11 21:52
XRevan86	I was afraid he were to transfigure into a blob of energy, but instead he transfigured into a guy covered completely in white fabric	Dec 11 21:52
XRevan86	… and then he turned into a blob of energy	Dec 11 21:54
XRevan86	https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EnergyBeings	Dec 11 21:56
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XRevan86	> This shows that many still don't know what the word "energy" really means.	Dec 11 21:57
XRevan86	I notice that every time someone says "the ship registers emissions of an unknown form of energy"	Dec 11 21:58
scientes	XRevan86, yeah that is common	Dec 11 22:04
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/563047.jpg	Dec 11 22:12
XRevan86	MinceR: Did the insurance company pay him?	Dec 11 22:14
XRevan86	scientes: Too common	Dec 11 22:14
scientes	I am glad that Russians still have hope on that issue	Dec 11 22:14
XRevan86	common enough for me to get annoyed by it and start second-guessing the idea (unsuspending the disbelief)	Dec 11 22:14
scientes	XRevan86, people worried about the waves killing them http://safemeters.org/	Dec 11 22:15
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scientes	http://safemeters.org/issues/health/	Dec 11 22:15
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XRevan86	https://youtu.be/6--lKmcirmE?t=14 commentary on the harmful emissions from Internet fibers.	Dec 11 22:18
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XRevan86	scientes: https://coub.com/view/1aprmt Obama sends a curse to Russia	Dec 11 22:24
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XRevan86	The tram really does have "Obama is a shmuck" written on it :)	Dec 11 22:26
XRevan86	probably the inspiration	Dec 11 22:26
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MinceR	XRevan86: dunno	Dec 11 22:43
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MinceR	https://www.animemaru.com/galactic-overlord-worries-this-might-actually-be-his-final-form/	Dec 11 22:45
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cubexyz	XRevan86, Transfigurations	Dec 12 02:26
cubexyz	it's been ages since I've seen it	Dec 12 02:26
*cubexyz still has his 1993 Star Trek NG Calendar :)		Dec 12 02:27
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scientes	XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhY9Zxv1-oo	Dec 12 05:04
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scientes	XRevan86, are those tracks supported by wood or concrete ties?	Dec 12 05:07
scientes	you can't tell cause its too filled in with gravel	Dec 12 05:07
scientes	no info in here on whether concrete ties were used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Siberian_Railway	Dec 12 05:08
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scientes	most railroads in US are having the ties replaced with concrete ties these days	Dec 12 05:08
scientes	(but no electrification---i heard that is because of higher taxes on railroads, which is abundantly stupid given that most industry has gotten loop-holes for themselves to be tax exempt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWTic9btP38	Dec 12 05:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Louisiana Stays Poor - YouTube		Dec 12 05:09
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scientes	XRevan86, 100 year anniversary of Solzhenitsyn	Dec 12 05:32
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kaniini	schestowitz: viera is back up. sorry, i have been having severe medical issues	Dec 12 06:18
schestowitz	kaniini: best wishes for your health and thanks for coming back	Dec 12 06:26
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MinceR	Found the hidden volume setting >> https://hugelolcdn.com/i/562972.jpg	Dec 12 07:36
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/562881.jpg	Dec 12 07:50
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kaniini	schestowitz: i restarted the techrights VM. you have root on the hypervisor and can do it yourself: sudo rc-service qemu.techrights restart	Dec 12 08:12
schestowitz	right, thanks. I was not aware	Dec 12 08:28
schestowitz	"	Dec 12 08:38
schestowitz	* Failed to shutdown VM gracefully using ACPI, stopping it with force [ ok ]	Dec 12 08:38
schestowitz	sh: %0: invalid format	Dec 12 08:38
schestowitz	"	Dec 12 08:38
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schestowitz	Maybe it still has that issue with /bin or /opt/bin, I'll check	Dec 12 08:38
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112948	Dec 12 08:39
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schestowitz	kaniini: the VM remains unaccessible. So weird because the issue started when I nano'd a file to add a DNS entry and it refused to even save the file	Dec 12 08:44
schestowitz	Something similar happened about 3 years ago on a server of tessier without any tinkering at all, the binaries just suddenly stopped being accessible	Dec 12 08:45
schestowitz	kaniini: any VM diagnostics tools I can use?	Dec 12 08:48
schestowitz	I'm a bit new to this.... https://www.mankier.com/8/rc-service	Dec 12 08:55
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schestowitz	MinceR: Lol Tyson	Dec 12 09:22
schestowitz	not sure if based on a real reference	Dec 12 09:22
schestowitz	same error when I reboot tuxmachines	Dec 12 09:56
schestowitz	so maybe a shared issue, I will search the Net for clues	Dec 12 09:57
schestowitz	kaniini: thanks for all you do and wishes for quick full recovery	Dec 12 10:16
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XRevan86	scientes: http://smartnews.ru/storage/c/2014/03/27/1395905727_803703_12.jpg http://smartnews.ru/storage/c/2014/03/27/1395905609_475730_11.jpg	Dec 12 12:05
XRevan86	scientes: Looks pretty wooden to me	Dec 12 12:05
XRevan86	> are those tracks supported by wood or concrete ties?	Dec 12 12:06
XRevan86	Who knows	Dec 12 12:06
XRevan86	scientes: "100 year anniversary of Solzhenitsyn" – indeed.	Dec 12 12:07
XRevan86	"rc-service" – OpenRC detected :).	Dec 12 12:10
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XRevan86	MinceR: That's stupid on many levels.	Dec 12 14:56
MinceR	XRevan86: Confucius say: Man who make mistake in elevator, wrong on many levels.	Dec 12 14:57
XRevan86	MinceR: true that	Dec 12 14:58
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18102061	Dec 12 15:46
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scientes	XRevan86, I only read GULAG Archipelag	Dec 12 15:52
XRevan86	Its his most famous work, yes.	Dec 12 15:53
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18101410	Dec 12 17:14
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cubexyz	linux devs are mulling over dropping 32-bit support	Dec 12 19:54
cubexyz	oops sorry I think I read that wrong	Dec 12 19:55
cubexyz	they are dropping x32	Dec 12 19:55
XRevan86	cubexyz: x32 was a weird thing	Dec 12 19:56
MinceR	what's x32?	Dec 12 19:56
MinceR	that arch with 32bit pointers on x86_64?	Dec 12 19:56
XRevan86	https://wiki.debian.org/X32Port	Dec 12 19:56
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MinceR	ah, yes	Dec 12 19:56
MinceR	what a stupid name for an arch	Dec 12 19:56
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XRevan86	MinceR: It shall no longer exist, so… problem solved.	Dec 12 20:31
MinceR	:>	Dec 12 20:46
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XRevan86	> Signal has its downsides too, e.g. with key management	Dec 12 21:02
XRevan86	It demands a phone number for one thing.	Dec 12 21:02
MinceR	plus their attitude sucks	Dec 12 21:06
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18101512	Dec 12 21:09
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/1809176	Dec 12 22:52
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XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cross_and_Sickle.png this exists	Dec 12 23:05
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XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism	Dec 12 23:05
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XRevan86	No mention of Space Communism in the article.	Dec 12 23:08
XRevan86	( http://ttolk.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC-2.jpg obviously )	Dec 12 23:09
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DaemonFC[m]	Firefox in Fedora was granted an exception from having to be compiled with gcc.	Dec 12 23:13
scientes	x32 is stupid	Dec 12 23:13
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: Why? O_O	Dec 12 23:13
DaemonFC[m]	Firefox 64 as is currently in Koji is still built with gcc, but this will change soon.	Dec 12 23:14
scientes	XRevan86, if christianity didn't already exist, it would probably be called communist around here	Dec 12 23:14
scientes	same with public libraries	Dec 12 23:14
DaemonFC[m]	Upstream Mozilla changed to Clang by default on all platforms, citing speed of compilation, memory usage during compilation, and performance of the resulting binary.	Dec 12 23:14
XRevan86	"and performance of the resulting binary" – I'm pretty sceptical	Dec 12 23:15
DaemonFC[m]	gcc support won't be dropped for some time as Clang doesn't support some secondary architectures very well and Mozilla currently uses gcc plug-ins for some of their test suite.	Dec 12 23:15
scientes	yeah gcc has way better performance	Dec 12 23:15
scientes	like gcc can do execution path analysis WAY better than clang	Dec 12 23:16
DaemonFC[m]	According to the Fedora Engineering and Steering Committee discussion, the performance of Firefox built with Clang is about ~20% better with PGO/LTO and ~5% better for a plain build.	Dec 12 23:16
DaemonFC[m]	I suspected that distro binaries would follow upstream and stop building Firefox with gcc eventually.	Dec 12 23:16
scientes	I call bullshit	Dec 12 23:16
DaemonFC[m]	I just didn't expect Fedora to follow them in a matter of weeks.	Dec 12 23:17
scientes	and didn't Fedora have a rule: "if it can be built with gcc, it must be built with gcc"?	Dec 12 23:17
DaemonFC[m]	The gcc only rule will probably be evaluated seperately.	Dec 12 23:17
DaemonFC[m]	But for now, Firefox has an exception in a 6-1 vote.	Dec 12 23:17
scientes	I just wonder what optimization results in it being faster	Dec 12 23:18
scientes	I am sure gcc developers wonder as well	Dec 12 23:18
DaemonFC[m]	According to the conversation on why they had the rule in the first place, one of them said part of the reason was from when Clang was new and they wanted to shut down the "Ohhhh, shiny!" debates that would have inevitably followed.	Dec 12 23:18
DaemonFC[m]	Well, switching to Clang as the system compiler wouldn't be THAT hard.	Dec 12 23:19
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XRevan86	finally, free from the pesky copyleft	Dec 12 23:19
DaemonFC[m]	Debian already uses it for test builds and OpenMandriva uses it for the system.	Dec 12 23:19
DaemonFC[m]	https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2020	Dec 12 23:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Issue #2020: Firefox is switching from gcc to clang/llvm - fesco - Pagure.io		Dec 12 23:20
scientes	why doesn't anyone know WHY clang is faster?	Dec 12 23:20
XRevan86	Clang has great analysis (especially for C++), so as a test compiler 'tis only wise to utilise that.	Dec 12 23:20
scientes	clang is better than GCC on a number of fronts that I know of, but none of them make it faster (and i know important optimziations only gcc does)	Dec 12 23:21
scientes	XRevan86, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/09/bolivia-communist-crucifix-gift-pope-francis	Dec 12 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Vatican bewildered by Bolivia's 'communist crucifix' gift to Pope Francis \| World news \| The Guardian		Dec 12 23:22
XRevan86	> which pope returned after a brief examination	Dec 12 23:23
XRevan86	scientes: How rude.	Dec 12 23:23
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XRevan86	But makes sense since that's HERECY.	Dec 12 23:23
DaemonFC[m]	"In Fedora -fstack-clash-protection is a no-op on clang. "	Dec 12 23:24
DaemonFC[m]	"llvm doesn't implement e.g. _D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 properly) and as mentioned above debuginfo issues."	Dec 12 23:24
scientes	XRevan86, yes, Vatican long ago denounced expropriation without compensation	Dec 12 23:24
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: So, the performance gain is from a lack of Spectre mitigation?	Dec 12 23:24
XRevan86	La fina venko por Clang %).	Dec 12 23:25
scientes	ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that makes sense	Dec 12 23:25
scientes	instead of just turning it off......	Dec 12 23:26
DaemonFC[m]	https://blog.qualys.com/securitylabs/2017/06/19/the-stack-clash	Dec 12 23:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.qualys.com \| The Stack Clash \| Qualys Blog		Dec 12 23:26
XRevan86	So Fedora is employing the Pohoronix' method of benchmarking	Dec 12 23:27
DaemonFC[m]	https://access.redhat.com/blogs/766093/posts/1976213	Dec 12 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-access.redhat.com \| Enhance application security with FORTIFY_SOURCE - Red Hat Customer Portal		Dec 12 23:27
DaemonFC[m]	Mitigations against various classes of attack.	Dec 12 23:28
DaemonFC[m]	So, switching to Clang is also going to impact security in a negative way and it will make the debuginfos either less useful or completely useless.	Dec 12 23:29
DaemonFC[m]	I don't think Mozilla uses FORTIFY_SOURCE or Stack Clash protection.	Dec 12 23:29
DaemonFC[m]	So for their binaries, it won't be any worse than what came before it. But in Fedora, and probably other distributions, it's sacrificing security for a bit more performance, maybe.	Dec 12 23:30
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/562829.png	Dec 12 23:31
DaemonFC[m]	Resorting to Patreon donations and in-video product placements is what a lot of people on Youtube are doing because Google is finding excuses to take away their ad money, but Google continues running their own ads anyway.	Dec 12 23:32
XRevan86	https://reviews.llvm.org/D42593	Dec 12 23:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-reviews.llvm.org \| ⚙ D42593 GCC compatibility: Ignore -fstack-clash-protection		Dec 12 23:33
scientes	clang developers secret method of world domination ^	Dec 12 23:34
XRevan86	I don't see a commit in their git though	Dec 12 23:37
XRevan86	nor anything else related to -fstack-clash-protection	Dec 12 23:37
scientes	Is this real (Macron in a Yellow vest) https://i.redd.it/4wpmpza3iu321.jpg	Dec 12 23:41
scientes	oh i think that is a out-of-context picture....	Dec 12 23:41
scientes	from a factory tour or something like that	Dec 12 23:41
DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, so the build doesn't fail, Clang won't generate an error message, and you think your program gets Stack Clash Protection when you really don't. (It's a no-op.)	Dec 12 23:45
DaemonFC[m]	Christ, these people are crooked.	Dec 12 23:46
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: I don't see it in actual code though	Dec 12 23:46
scientes	^^^^	Dec 12 23:47
XRevan86	yet the review appears to be accepted	Dec 12 23:47
scientes	it was approved, but never merged	Dec 12 23:47
XRevan86	how to make sense of that?	Dec 12 23:47
XRevan86	https://github.com/llvm-mirror/clang/blob/master/include/clang/Driver/Options.td#L3003 here's where it should be	Dec 12 23:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-clang/Options.td at master · llvm-mirror/clang · GitHub		Dec 12 23:47
scientes	https://i.redd.it/fr5up6p2ew321.jpg	Dec 12 23:47
scientes	soooooo funny	Dec 12 23:48
MinceR	biorobot	Dec 12 23:48
MinceR	but at least it isn't malen'kiy robot	Dec 12 23:48
XRevan86	scientes: https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/14668388?cid=14668500	Dec 12 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru \| Вся суть IT конференций в РФ — Talks — Форум		Dec 12 23:48
XRevan86	Russia 24 are either extremely incompetent beyond belief or they have a minimum quota on lying	Dec 12 23:49
XRevan86	* "Russia 24" the TV channel	Dec 12 23:50
XRevan86	not a fault from the performer's side or from the event	Dec 12 23:51
scientes	nono, there is a level of humor and mocking here that is great	Dec 12 23:51
XRevan86	Just stating out that der Roboter is not trying to deceive anyone %)	Dec 12 23:52
scientes	Russia is full of old technological soviety relics	Dec 12 23:52
scientes	and robots are a huge bunch of stupid tech-hype, that technology will always save us	Dec 12 23:52
scientes	and it didn't when the USSR collapsed (which there was so much propaganda about that people think it was all because of communism)	Dec 12 23:53
scientes	so putting someone in a suit is absolutely funny	Dec 12 23:53
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XRevan86	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Metro_SPB_Line_2_Gorkovskaya_pavilion.jpg Russia even has its own saucer.	Dec 12 23:55
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DaemonFC[m]	Not all about Communism, for sure. We saw former Soviet Republics continue to break apart after leaving the Soviet Union.	Dec 12 23:56
XRevan86	(not a Soviet one though, 2008)	Dec 12 23:56
scientes	heh thats lazy, ours is in the air https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Needle	Dec 12 23:56
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XRevan86	I definitely don't use the word "Communism" in the same sense %)	Dec 12 23:58
scientes	they are still popular in USSR.	Dec 12 23:58
scientes	is that just the older generation?	Dec 12 23:59
XRevan86	scientes: It all depends on how you define everything	Dec 12 23:59
DaemonFC[m]	What will kill the EU even has little to do with financial policies.	Dec 12 23:59
scientes	of course	Dec 12 23:59
DaemonFC[m]	Most of the people living in EU member states, I'd imagine don't primarily identify as a European citizen.	Dec 13 00:00
XRevan86	If by "they" you mean the Communist Party of Russia, then it is the least corrupt party of the "in-system opposition"	Dec 13 00:00
DaemonFC[m]	I mean, Sting does, for what that's worth.	Dec 13 00:00
DaemonFC[m]	For all of the troubles in the United States, few people consider themselves primarily a citizen of the state they live in.	Dec 13 00:00
scientes	well Americans move around all the time	Dec 13 00:01
XRevan86	and their stated agenda isn't more radical than one of the DNC	Dec 13 00:01
scientes	and they don't know even their immediate neighbors	Dec 13 00:01
DaemonFC[m]	I wish I didn't know mine.	Dec 13 00:01
DaemonFC[m]	I have to move out in a few months because everyone in this building hates each other, but the landlord thinks that not renting to me is a good idea so nobody will call the police on her other tenants anymore.	Dec 13 00:02
XRevan86	So that said, CPRF is the biggest "in-system opposition" party there is.	Dec 13 00:02
DaemonFC[m]	Told her, "Fine by me. I was looking to get out of here anyway.".	Dec 13 00:02
XRevan86	although it suprisingly in the last Duma "elections" got an almost equal amount of "votes" as LDPR	Dec 13 00:03
DaemonFC[m]	They finally got the message that the police would be out here every time they threw a wild party, so they knocked it off.	Dec 13 00:03
scientes	chocolate spill https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/a5hu5c/when_a_ton_of_tasty_liquid_chocolate_covers_the/	Dec 13 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| When a ton of tasty liquid chocolate covers the street : CatastrophicFailure		Dec 13 00:03
DaemonFC[m]	I was getting 4 hours of sleep. Bags under my eyes.	Dec 13 00:03
XRevan86	I don't know why would anyone ever consider LDPR, its leader is clinically insane.	Dec 13 00:04
DaemonFC[m]	I'll be able to afford an entire house for about what I pay in rent on a one bedroom basement apartment in Chicago when we move to the suburbs.	Dec 13 00:04
DaemonFC[m]	And the Metra train takes you right back into the city. Runs every hour.	Dec 13 00:04
DaemonFC[m]	Chicago is expensive, noisy, violent, overcrowded, and the weather is pretty bad too.	Dec 13 00:05
DaemonFC[m]	well Americans move around all the time	Dec 13 00:06
DaemonFC[m]	Yes, because they ruin their home and then mass migrate to ruin someone else's too.	Dec 13 00:06
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cubexyz	"despidte the party's name, it is frequently described as neither liberal nor democratic"	Dec 13 00:07
cubexyz	despite	Dec 13 00:07
cubexyz	interesting	Dec 13 00:07
DaemonFC[m]	Chicago in particular, but the state of Illinois too are ground zero for outmigration.	Dec 13 00:07
scientes	cubexyz, neither was stalin or lenin	Dec 13 00:07
scientes	oh, you mean LDPR	Dec 13 00:08
cubexyz	yes	Dec 13 00:08
DaemonFC[m]	People tolerated shitty corrupt politicians that threw money around like drunken sailors, and now that the taxes are sky high, they leave in droves.	Dec 13 00:08
XRevan86	cubexyz: Yes, it is a ultra-patriotic nationalist-populist party of one person	Dec 13 00:08
scientes	the best analogy I heard was that when a software program is called "open" that is like a country calling itsself Democratic and Republicsan	Dec 13 00:08
DaemonFC[m]	Nobody thought much at all about what the pension funds were going to look like by promising public unions the moon and the stars.	Dec 13 00:09
DaemonFC[m]	And while that was happening, the politicians went years without funding any of it, knowing the bill wouldn't be due for a few more decades.	Dec 13 00:09
cubexyz	to me FOSS means GPL, or at least BSD license	Dec 13 00:09
DaemonFC[m]	Well, now the bills are due and there's no money to pay it, and the taxes are all going up.	Dec 13 00:09
cubexyz	I always thought sharing software was the most logical way to do things	Dec 13 00:10
cubexyz	just like sharing recipes	Dec 13 00:10
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Zhirinovsky "His views have sometimes been described by western media as fascist." – not that inaccurate	Dec 13 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Vladimir Zhirinovsky - Wikipedia		Dec 13 00:10
DaemonFC[m]	The city of Peoria is going to spend 100% of the revenue it takes in on pension obligations within 2 years unless taxes go up again.	Dec 13 00:10
DaemonFC[m]	Time's up.	Dec 13 00:10
cubexyz	XRevan86, so which party do you vote for?	Dec 13 00:11
scientes	thats like asking someone what president they voted for	Dec 13 00:11
DaemonFC[m]	The midwest as a region is a real shit sandwich. You can see the result of this by looking at outmigration stats, or just how many electoral votes and seats in Congress the states have lost over the last several decades.	Dec 13 00:11
XRevan86	cubexyz: I'm having a bit of guilt for participating in the whole charade	Dec 13 00:12
scientes	^^see	Dec 13 00:12
DaemonFC[m]	In Illinois alone, the Census Bureau says that between 2010-2016, the net population has fallen by over 116,000 people.	Dec 13 00:12
cubexyz	ok, I'll just stick to software then	Dec 13 00:12
XRevan86	cubexyz: But it's CPRF	Dec 13 00:13
scientes	cubexyz, oh you are russian?	Dec 13 00:13
XRevan86	scientes: Canadian	Dec 13 00:13
DaemonFC[m]	We're looking at losing 2 seats in Congress. Maybe 1 if things aren't quite bad enough to lose 2. But it's looking like 2.	Dec 13 00:13
cubexyz	no, Canadian :)	Dec 13 00:13
cubexyz	I barely know anything about Russian politics	Dec 13 00:14
scientes	cubexyz, now you know more https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Vladimir_Putin_%282018-12-06%29.jpg	Dec 13 00:14
scientes	lol	Dec 13 00:14
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XRevan86	cubexyz: Let's just say there's a ruling party and it doesn't shy away from playing dirty.	Dec 13 00:16
scientes	I just read a book "A Generation of Sociopaths: How the Boomers Betrayed America,"	Dec 13 00:17
scientes	inherited the wealthiest country in history, didn't understand or appreciate what they inherited, and proceeded to dismantle it	Dec 13 00:17
scientes	and they refuse to let the younger generation have any power, except in computers which they don't understand	Dec 13 00:18
cubexyz	Al Gore was a boomer :)	Dec 13 00:19
scientes	like infinite student loan debt, which makes the younger generation literally indentured servents (as the debt cannot be defaulted on) http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/10/07/the-growth-in-student-debt/	Dec 13 00:19
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cubexyz	yeah things could have turned out a lot better	Dec 13 00:19
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XRevan86	When whole generations or populations are at fault, then there's probably someone wrong with the environment they're in.	Dec 13 00:20
scientes	XRevan86, wealthiest generation in history, probably will be wealthies generation in history of the planet---could rely on increasing pay their whole life	Dec 13 00:21
scientes	and except for the "cold war", nothing to unite people together	Dec 13 00:21
scientes	thats one of the reasons why "communism" is a dirty word, even now-----where the baby boomers want to pretend that the USSR still exists	Dec 13 00:22
cubexyz	ok, what time period are 'boomers' again?	Dec 13 00:22
cubexyz	born after WWII up to...?	Dec 13 00:23
scientes	1945-1964	Dec 13 00:23
scientes	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Birth_Rates.svg	Dec 13 00:23
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cubexyz	ok, I'm one year after that	Dec 13 00:23
XRevan86	scientes: Everyone has their own headbugs	Dec 13 00:23
scientes	Yeah it is only one way of looking at what happened	Dec 13 00:24
scientes	but the British empire sure managed to last longer than this	Dec 13 00:24
scientes	there is just so much delusion on grandeur	Dec 13 00:25
XRevan86	scientes: The US is one big dysfunctional place, I doubt any one generation of people should take the blame for that.	Dec 13 00:26
scientes	yes there are many reasons	Dec 13 00:27
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scientes	but I do blame the boomers for the crazy internal class warfare	Dec 13 00:28
scientes	well, again you are right generation is too simple	Dec 13 00:28
scientes	are most bloody war was a civil war	Dec 13 00:29
XRevan86	The best part about Russian politics is that they don't have a lot of internal conflict	Dec 13 00:30
XRevan86	people don't blame people for their misfortunes	Dec 13 00:30
scientes	like there is complaint about the oligarchs in Russia, but in the US there is a huge war against the poor	Dec 13 00:30
scientes	highest prison rates in the world	Dec 13 00:30
XRevan86	In Russia everything is becoming increasingly more centralised, making the figurehead for blame more and more evident.	Dec 13 00:31
scientes	and you can't drive unless you pay the high civil fees	Dec 13 00:31
XRevan86	scientes: And all the poor do is fight each other over semantics.	Dec 13 00:32
scientes	property taxes that force everyone to be part of the capitalist system (and efficient systems like the Street Cars that were invested in the US were dismantled as they were too democratic)	Dec 13 00:32
scientes	and Street cars are not even tought in the US history books	Dec 13 00:32
scientes	XRevan86, and it got the president elected: "build a wall!"	Dec 13 00:32
scientes	there are places in the US where houses are free, because they want the property taxes	Dec 13 00:33
XRevan86	scientes: It was like picking between Novodvorskaya and Zhirinovsky	Dec 13 00:34
XRevan86	scientes: I also don't give regular US citizens the full blame for electring an orange as POTUS.	Dec 13 00:35
scientes	nah, Hillary Clinton was so disgusting----it was a vote either for the status quo, or chaos, and chaos won	Dec 13 00:35
XRevan86	* electing	Dec 13 00:35
XRevan86	scientes: But it turned out that the chaos is so dumb it couldn't shake the status-quo either	Dec 13 00:36
scientes	XRevan86, the system is so managed---like Al Gore lost because his poll numbers were too high so he started getting tougher on gun control to lower his numbers	Dec 13 00:36
scientes	the 50/50 is totally manufactured to prevent real debate---but the very real freedoms in the US are actually a threat	Dec 13 00:37
DaemonFC[m]	and Street cars are not even tought in the US history books	Dec 13 00:39
DaemonFC[m]	No, but they do street repair and sometimes you see the tracks.	Dec 13 00:39
DaemonFC[m]	scientes: Here in Illinois, politicians are saying they want to double the gasoline tax because "cars are more efficient" and there "isn't enough money for the roads".	Dec 13 00:39
DaemonFC[m]	I have an efficient car, but most poor people are stuck driving something from the 90s that's several different colors and rusted.	Dec 13 00:40
XRevan86	scientes: The most weird thing is that I don't see any serious discussion from the US citizens about how the two-party system is being fundamentally undemocratic. It seems obvious.	Dec 13 00:41
scientes	XRevan86, yes there is----very few people vote	Dec 13 00:41
scientes	the voting numbers are even very funny----they are the percentage of those registered (a practice that comes from history of preventing blacks from voting)---so you have to multiple the registration percentage by the turnout (also the US prevents felons from voting, and since Bill Clinton basically everything is a felony)	Dec 13 00:43
XRevan86	I know that DNC and GOP both try to pose as democratic entities themselves, having internal elections of whom to put up. But they aren't really.	Dec 13 00:43
scientes	XRevan86, also my state of Washington had to vote for its method of primarys that does away with the internal elections---TWICE	Dec 13 00:44
scientes	because the establishment dismantled it	Dec 13 00:44
scientes	Our system is that the top two canidates move on to the general election, regardless of what party they declare	Dec 13 00:45
scientes	but yeah systems where you have to declare a party in the primary----those states it is pointless to vote, except for the direct initiatives.	Dec 13 00:46
XRevan86	From a Russian perspective "GOP" is a perfect fit.	Dec 13 00:47
scientes	BC (west-most canadian province) is moving to proportional representation	Dec 13 00:52
scientes	thats pretty significant	Dec 13 00:52
XRevan86	scientes: I'm missing the point of reference… What method of primaries?	Dec 13 00:52
scientes	https://wei.sos.wa.gov/agency/osos/en/voters/Pages/top_2_primary.aspx	Dec 13 00:53
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XRevan86	scientes: This sounds like progress	Dec 13 00:54
scientes	that system was established in 1935 by popular vote, then the establishment declared it illegal in 2000, and the state voted for it again in 2004	Dec 13 00:55
XRevan86	Is the establishment CPSU?	Dec 13 00:55
scientes	ROP and DRC	Dec 13 00:56
scientes	we also have this very cool thing called Public Utility Districts (PUD)	Dec 13 00:56
scientes	that can operate public utilities, and ask voters to approve issuance of bonds for new construction	Dec 13 00:57
scientes	but they have their own borders---does not have to be the same borders of other political entities	Dec 13 00:58
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scientes	but the only thing I am hopeful about is the proportional representation in BC	Dec 13 01:01
scientes	that looks promising	Dec 13 01:01
XRevan86	scientes: I was referencing the Communist Party of the Soviet Union	Dec 13 01:02
scientes	yeah i looked it up, i didn't understand the reference	Dec 13 01:02
cubexyz	did people even bother voting in the USSR era?	Dec 13 01:03
XRevan86	scientes: It was the only legally allowed party for the most of the USSR history	Dec 13 01:03
scientes	it does kind of show there parties true nature in that they make explicitely anti-democratic stances	Dec 13 01:03
scientes	when "one person, one vote" both refers to a single person :)	Dec 13 01:04
XRevan86	scientes: The US seems to have two of those	Dec 13 01:04
scientes	yes	Dec 13 01:04
scientes	it does	Dec 13 01:04
scientes	if you don't fall by the party line on every issue they replace you in the next primary	Dec 13 01:05
XRevan86	cubexyz: short answer – yes	Dec 13 01:06
scientes	which is essential because the ROP platform is so unpopular	Dec 13 01:06
scientes	they have to turn to religious people, and those afraid to leave their houses without a gun, in order to get votes	Dec 13 01:07
scientes	and with Obama: frustration, and now finally: pure anger	Dec 13 01:08
scientes	XRevan86, Trump wanted to cancel the $1 Trillion F-35 jet, but couldn't, which shows that it doesn't really matter who is president	Dec 13 01:11
scientes	its a bunch of oligarchs that consort with government, but they make the real decisions	Dec 13 01:11
scientes	that's why China is allowed to directly buy our coal---they barge it over to China	Dec 13 01:13
scientes	and our local concrete factory--dismantled and shipped to China	Dec 13 01:13
scientes	asset stripping	Dec 13 01:13
scientes	this should be blocked, but the oligarchs would rather keep their money----and it is not wealth but simply money----so they do anything they can to keep the system going---like revert on the Iran sanctions	Dec 13 01:14
cubexyz	F-35 goes into the "too big to kill" category	Dec 13 01:15
scientes	I want to buy a farm in Panama---but I have to raise the funds first	Dec 13 01:15
scientes	and I don't know what to do to avoid the possibility of holding onto a bunch of paper	Dec 13 01:16
XRevan86	cubexyz: Voting in the USSR had an advantage – a buffet	Dec 13 01:20
scientes	:)	Dec 13 01:20
scientes	Washington and Oregon at least have voting by mail	Dec 13 01:20
scientes	yum	Dec 13 01:21
scientes	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Lovers_Party_(Russia)	Dec 13 01:21
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cubexyz	we have online banking but not online voting	Dec 13 01:22
DaemonFC[m]	Vote by mail is an option in a lot of states.	Dec 13 01:23
DaemonFC[m]	If you trust the post office.	Dec 13 01:23
DaemonFC[m]	I don't.	Dec 13 01:23
scientes	our banking system is so stupid	Dec 13 01:24
scientes	why are paper checks still a thing?	Dec 13 01:24
scientes	and credit card companies take huge margins	Dec 13 01:24
DaemonFC[m]	Trump tried to bury a report about Wells Fargo cheating college students with shitty credit cards.	Dec 13 01:24
DaemonFC[m]	It got out.	Dec 13 01:24
DaemonFC[m]	They were the worst out of 600 banks that the CFPB studied as far as excessive fees and penalties on credit cards went.	Dec 13 01:25
DaemonFC[m]	The Republicans are still trying to blame Democrats for everything. They don't want people to remember that Republicans controlled the governor's mansion for about 20 years from the 80s to 2003, and that most of the worst decisions on pensions were made in those years.	Dec 13 01:27
DaemonFC[m]	Illinois' bad pensions come mainly from the Edgar Ramp.	Dec 13 01:27
DaemonFC[m]	Gov. Jim Edgar (in 1996) signed a bill he requested that would get the pension funds to 90% funded by 2055, but the bill required the state to contribute almost nothing to the funds at the beginning and it gets worse every year.	Dec 13 01:28
DaemonFC[m]	In other words, he'd be long gone before anyone noticed what he did. And the whole piece of shit pension system is starting to fall apart now.	Dec 13 01:28
DaemonFC[m]	Bad decisions by both parties going back decades.	Dec 13 01:29
DaemonFC[m]	It's the federal government in miniature.	Dec 13 01:29
scientes	the pensions have been looted for decades	Dec 13 01:29
DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, but Illinois can't just pass a law saying it doesn't owe them like other states.	Dec 13 01:30
DaemonFC[m]	It's in our constitution that they have to be paid out no matter what, so we're broke, the taxes are surging, and people are getting the fuck out of the state instead of paying them.	Dec 13 01:30
scientes	well its not going to be paid	Dec 13 01:30
DaemonFC[m]	I'm hoping for a constitutional amendment to hit my ballot to reform pensions.	Dec 13 01:30
scientes	even if illinois withdrew from the union it couldn't afford to pay those pensions	Dec 13 01:31
DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, the unions are surprisingly backing the reform amendment idea because they understand that if they don't take the cuts they may get nothing when the funds collapse.	Dec 13 01:31
DaemonFC[m]	The public employee unions killed this state.	Dec 13 01:31
scientes	no that is not true	Dec 13 01:32
DaemonFC[m]	Other states just implemented pension reforms and kneecapped the unions and their finances are fine again.	Dec 13 01:32
scientes	driving in circles killed the US	Dec 13 01:32
DaemonFC[m]	The public unions in Illinois are quite corrupt.	Dec 13 01:32
DaemonFC[m]	They mostly save fucking morons from any chance at being fired and get them lots of money and platinum benefits at taxpayer expense, then they draw in their dues money and use it to bribe the politicians into giving them more.	Dec 13 01:33
DaemonFC[m]	It's a vicious circle.	Dec 13 01:33
DaemonFC[m]	The result is we have the highest paid state employees, pension multi-millionaires, and we're supporting a lot of people who haven't even been employed by the state in years, if they ever did any actual work at all.	Dec 13 01:34
DaemonFC[m]	Go to any government office here and you'll see what I mean.	Dec 13 01:34
DaemonFC[m]	Someone described Greece and it sounded pretty close.	Dec 13 01:35
scientes	DaemonFC[m], you havn't changed all these years	Dec 13 01:35
DaemonFC[m]	The truth is you can't just give them money out of nowhere, which is why we have working families hanging on by a thread paying out the ass for every tax imaginable, seeing basically nothing in return for it.	Dec 13 01:36
DaemonFC[m]	Nobody should be paying $7,000 a year to the government just to cover property taxes on a modest single family home.	Dec 13 01:37
DaemonFC[m]	In many states, taxes on a comparable home would be maybe $600-1,000 a year.	Dec 13 01:37
scientes	especially as the houses prices are rediculous	Dec 13 01:37
scientes	they use every method they can to prop up the prices	Dec 13 01:37
DaemonFC[m]	This is just one of the more egregious examples of taxes gone wild in Chicago and Illinois.	Dec 13 01:38
scientes	housing is one of the big US rackets	Dec 13 01:38
DaemonFC[m]	It is. My landlord is such a fucking idiot. I can see why Family Guy makes fun of realtors.	Dec 13 01:38
DaemonFC[m]	"The safety net job."	Dec 13 01:38
DaemonFC[m]	She's as crooked as she is stupid.	Dec 13 01:38
DaemonFC[m]	I doubt I could do much worse after the move. The market is flooded up in Fox Lake.	Dec 13 01:40
DaemonFC[m]	It's a renter's market up there. Definitely not one here in Chicago.	Dec 13 01:41
DaemonFC[m]	scientes: Chicago has a lot of laws that regulate landlords, but the last place we lived broke pretty much all of them.	Dec 13 01:41
DaemonFC[m]	They'd do the bare minimum to fix something after the city wrote them up.	Dec 13 01:42
DaemonFC[m]	Then the city would come back and do it again. The whole building had problems. The heat went out constantly . Never any hot water.	Dec 13 01:42
scientes	yeah but those problems are unfixable-----you can't heat all these small houses that are disconnected with seperate walls	Dec 13 01:42
scientes	its too inefficient	Dec 13 01:43
scientes	in the places that are cold those people will just have to leave	Dec 13 01:43
scientes	(or die)	Dec 13 01:44
DaemonFC[m]	It was prety awful. The rent was cheap. That was about the only good part.	Dec 13 01:48
scientes	I hate how richer people hate to see poor people	Dec 13 02:02
scientes	its effecting China in really negative ways	Dec 13 02:02
scientes	like destryong the recycling industry that was so critical to the world	Dec 13 02:02
scientes	and of course the US as well	Dec 13 02:03
DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, Illinois just elected a governor who is richer than Donald Trump who says he wants to help poor black people.	Dec 13 02:49
DaemonFC[m]	I'm sure....	Dec 13 02:49
DaemonFC[m]	Who would want to be Governor of Illinois, much less spend $124 million of his own money on it?	Dec 13 02:49
DaemonFC[m]	It's not a springboard to the presidency. What are you going to tell people? "I governed the most severely fucked up state in the nation?"	Dec 13 02:50
DaemonFC[m]	There's simply not enough money in this state that you can tax. The people who can afford to pay it will just get up and leave.	Dec 13 02:50
DaemonFC[m]	We're not a coastal state with nice weather and lots of attractions.	Dec 13 02:51
DaemonFC[m]	We have Chicago, which is another fiscal train wreck and quickly becoming the murder capital of America.	Dec 13 02:51
DaemonFC[m]	Rich people just move. They're not paying the taxes.	Dec 13 02:52
DaemonFC[m]	The poor people have no money to tax.	Dec 13 02:52
DaemonFC[m]	Who pays the taxes?	Dec 13 02:52
DaemonFC[m]	We need a budget that we can live with and that means less government. We have over 8,600 units of government in Illinois.	Dec 13 02:52
DaemonFC[m]	That's twice as many units of government as Texas in a state with a third of the population.	Dec 13 02:53
DaemonFC[m]	A lot of these fiscal problems come about because you have things like a unit of government with its own road equipment and 7 board members with responsibility over 8 miles of road.	Dec 13 02:54
DaemonFC[m]	And they all get health insurance and pensions and six figure salaries.	Dec 13 02:55
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scientes	this effort to rewrite european history to portray the EU as the good gut is rediculous	Dec 13 04:16
scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9n32e2LN6s	Dec 13 04:16
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scientes	the EU is run by rhe same nuts that run the US	Dec 13 04:18
scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY1jowSWR7c	Dec 13 04:26
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scientes	and they really consider themselves a bourgeoisie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nofk7nmE1z8	Dec 13 04:27
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scientes	kicking a MEP out of EU government meetings	Dec 13 04:27
scientes	EU also has alot less freedoms than the US---specifically those "hate speech" laws	Dec 13 04:28
scientes	https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/323207/france-court-upholds-bds-is-discrimination-ruling/	Dec 13 04:29
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scientes	^^^illegal t-shirt	Dec 13 04:29
scientes	if elected MEPs cant get into EU government meetings it is a sign that voting is pointless	Dec 13 04:31
scientes	(unless you vote euroskeptic)	Dec 13 04:31
scientes	I love those people---that the majority of people are specifically voting against the farce that is called democracy---specifically voting that they don't want this stupid vote, and the machine it legitimizes	Dec 13 04:32
scientes	like how they refuse to let greece leave, and prop up ukraine which is insolvent	Dec 13 04:37
scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR-lz5YON5E	Dec 13 04:39
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scientes	also, what is with all this Judeophobia in Europe?	Dec 13 05:04
scientes	I mean there are hardly even any Jews in Europe left, seriously wtf/??????	Dec 13 05:04
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scientes	the other staten island: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iturup	Dec 13 06:31
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scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJFayFOASMg	Dec 13 06:57
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scientes	15% of Google searches have not been seen before	Dec 13 07:36
scientes	Trump Administration official spends like 3 minutes running from reporter, and then tell reporter "I don't have time for an interview." https://www.democracynow.org/2018/12/12/trumps_energy_adviser_runs_away_when	Dec 13 07:56
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scientes	classic	Dec 13 07:56
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/WKxahUP.jpg	Dec 13 08:10
scientes	this whole Huawei debacle baffles me in that the US isn't bringing up the fact that Huawei is providing much of the technology to enable China's re-education camps which house between 1 and 2 million ethnic minorities	Dec 13 08:12
scientes	which could give them a justification of their political motives	Dec 13 08:14
MinceR	obviously, the government of the usa doesn't mind that	Dec 13 08:38
MinceR	maybe they're even planning to start their own	Dec 13 08:39
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scientes	MinceR, but still they could pretend to care	Dec 13 09:05
scientes	as it would give them a pretense	Dec 13 09:06
scientes	and if they did their own what population would it be against	Dec 13 09:06
scientes	I don't really see it happening in the US, simply because there isn't a convenient target	Dec 13 09:06
scientes	*and politically expedient	Dec 13 09:06
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MinceR	scientes: i guess they don't even notice that this is something they should pretend to care about	Dec 13 11:05
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MinceR	https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1073103654691889153	Dec 13 13:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Foone: You ever get an idea so stupid that you have to make it and share it just to get it out of your head? PRESENTING:… https://t.co/3sdGknfDQI		Dec 13 13:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Foone: You ever get an idea so stupid that you have to make it and share it just to get it out of your head? PRESENTING:… https://t.co/3sdGknfDQI		Dec 13 13:48
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Linux.org and FUD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118422 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0ddbd0db-6d4e-4465-9e9f-df28e9858be9]		Dec 13 15:26
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Openwashing and FUD, Notably #Microsoft http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118424 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4aa67a3c-03ae-4a1d-a3ad-9d5b20eb6559]		Dec 13 15:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Servers: Apache Cassandra, Kubernetes and Red Hat http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118425 [https://pleroma.site/objects/193dcb8b-96b7-4a3f-b198-3aa535319a9e]		Dec 13 15:59
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: Vivaldi, QEMU and Manpages http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118427 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f9b29c8c-24af-488a-97cc-2c569c1933dd]		Dec 13 16:08
schestowitz	kaniini: tuxmachines does not boot. How can I expand to see a sort of verbose output of the boot sequence?	Dec 13 16:10
schestowitz	because the techrights VM seems to have a similar issue	Dec 13 16:10
schestowitz	tessier: any tips maybe?	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	sudo rc-service qemu.tuxmachines restart	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Stopping VM tuxmachines ...	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	Waiting 40 seconds for VM shutdown ........................................	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Failed to shutdown VM gracefully using ACPI, stopping it with force [ ok ]	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	sh: %0: invalid format	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Starting VM tuxmachines ... [ ok ]	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	localhost:~# sudo rc-service qemu.techrights restart	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Stopping VM techrights ...	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	Waiting 40 seconds for VM shutdown ........................................	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Failed to shutdown VM gracefully using ACPI, stopping it with force [ ok ]	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	sh: %0: invalid format	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Starting VM techrights ...	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	sudo rc-service qemu.tuxmachines restart	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Stopping VM tuxmachines ...	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	Waiting 40 seconds for VM shutdown ........................................	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Failed to shutdown VM gracefully using ACPI, stopping it with force [ ok ]	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	sh: %0: invalid format	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Starting VM tuxmachines ... [ ok ]	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	localhost:~# sudo rc-service qemu.techrights restart	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Stopping VM techrights ...	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	Waiting 40 seconds for VM shutdown ........................................	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Failed to shutdown VM gracefully using ACPI, stopping it with force [ ok ]	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	sh: %0: invalid format	Dec 13 16:11
schestowitz	* Starting VM techrights ...	Dec 13 16:12
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DaemonFC[m]	the EU is run by rhe same nuts that run the US	Dec 13 17:12
DaemonFC[m]	The banks.	Dec 13 17:12
DaemonFC[m]	EU also has alot less freedoms than the US---specifically those "hate speech" laws	Dec 13 17:13
DaemonFC[m]	In the US, hate speech is legal (though not necessarily a good idea), but it can be used against you in court if you commit a hate crime that is connected to it.	Dec 13 17:13
DaemonFC[m]	Like, it goes to show motive if you shout an anti-gay epithet and then beat that person up. Proving hate crime enhancement for the assault is now a slam dunk for the prosecution.	Dec 13 17:14
DaemonFC[m]	Although, you have to be careful even if it is just speech.	Dec 13 17:14
DaemonFC[m]	Most states have telephone harassment or cyberbullying laws.	Dec 13 17:14
DaemonFC[m]	So if you call someone on the phone or send an email, Facebook message, or whatever and harass them that way, it can be a crime under those laws, even if it wouldn't be a crime to say the same thing directly to them.	Dec 13 17:15
DaemonFC[m]	In Illinois, it is a crime to harass someone by phone or electronic means.	Dec 13 17:16
DaemonFC[m]	In Indiana, it's illegal over the phone, but if you do it over Facebook it probably isn't.	Dec 13 17:16
DaemonFC[m]	That being said, getting on Facebook and telling someone "fuck you" is unlikely to be prosecuted in Illinois just because there's so much worse going on here.	Dec 13 17:17
DaemonFC[m]	The prosecutors are probably not going to try to come after you for telling someone to fuck themselves when people are getting robbed and murdered every minute in Chicago.	Dec 13 17:17
DaemonFC[m]	You can barely get the police to do anything out here. They only pretend to investigate murders.	Dec 13 17:18
DaemonFC[m]	You've got carjackers and armed robbery suspects going free or the prosecutor is too busy to deal with them and offers them probation to keep her conviction rate high.	Dec 13 17:19
DaemonFC[m]	That's exactly what happened to the guy who shoved a gun in my face and stole my cell phone. Two years of house arrest.	Dec 13 17:19
DaemonFC[m]	And it won't even be on his record because he was 17.9 years old when he did it.	Dec 13 17:20
DaemonFC[m]	Turned 18 in Cook County waiting on his trial.	Dec 13 17:20
DaemonFC[m]	They have this fucking kiddie court because they think that treating criminals differently because they aren't 18 yet is mighty white of them.	Dec 13 17:21
DaemonFC[m]	"We have to give them a second chance!" (To go out and murder somebody next time.)	Dec 13 17:21
DaemonFC[m]	A lot of the criminals here aren't afraid of the police at all.	Dec 13 17:22
DaemonFC[m]	Illinois got rid of the death sentence. These people are giving each other the death sentence at least twice a day.	Dec 13 17:22
DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: Kevin Kofler chimed in on the LLVM discussion.	Dec 13 17:24
DaemonFC[m]	He pointed out that, among other things, letting each package choose its own compiler will probably result in weird compatibility problems somewhere down the road.	Dec 13 17:24
DaemonFC[m]	I guess after everyone is using LLVM, we'll need a non-GNU C library too.	Dec 13 17:25
DaemonFC[m]	systemd-libc	Dec 13 17:25
DaemonFC[m]	Red Hat has been marching quite a lot of the system away from GNU components without anyone really caring to notice or comment.	Dec 13 17:25
DaemonFC[m]	There was even a discussion about GNOME leaving GNU, even though it decided to stay, but it's pretty much in name only at this point.	Dec 13 17:27
schestowitz	[17:12] <DaemonFC[m]> the EU is run by rhe same nuts that run the US	Dec 13 17:32
schestowitz	And the UK too	Dec 13 17:32
schestowitz	wealth buys power	Dec 13 17:32
schestowitz	anyone here good in qemu	Dec 13 17:32
schestowitz	need help migration the systems to the new host, having technical difficulties	Dec 13 17:33
DaemonFC[m]	glibc has had its problems, but I think that swapping it out at this point would create even more.	Dec 13 17:57
DaemonFC[m]	So far, the discussion has been about phasing out the GNU C compiler.	Dec 13 17:59
DaemonFC[m]	But I think it's only a matter of time before they come for glibc as well.	Dec 13 17:59
DaemonFC[m]	The LGPL probably creates "problems" for proprietary software companies that want to avoid the copyleft.	Dec 13 17:59
DaemonFC[m]	I find it very interesting that all of this is going down so soon after Microsoft joined the Linux Foundation and IBM announced the Red Hat acquisition. Red Hat never seemed averse to copyleft. Even systemd is licensed under the LGPL. That probably changes after IBM takes over.	Dec 13 18:01
DaemonFC[m]	Firefox release notes in 64 say that the process of distrusting all Symantec certificates is complete.	Dec 13 18:04
DaemonFC[m]	This includes Thawte and all of their other subsidiaries.	Dec 13 18:04
DaemonFC[m]	https://www.digicert.com/blog/our-latest-symantec-distrust-guidance-apple/	Dec 13 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Our Latest Symantec Distrust Guidance \| DigiCert Blog		Dec 13 18:05
DaemonFC[m]	https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:Symantec_Issues	Dec 13 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.mozilla.org \| CA:Symantec Issues - MozillaWiki		Dec 13 18:05
DaemonFC[m]	And they said that adding CACert to their trust list would create these problems.	Dec 13 18:06
DaemonFC[m]	All along, Symantec was actually doing everything they said CACert might.	Dec 13 18:06
DaemonFC[m]	No user ever decided who to trust to begin with.	Dec 13 18:07
DaemonFC[m]	Whoever was in Netscape's list got in early and had to be supported by other browsers for compatibility reasons.	Dec 13 18:08
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 4.19.9, 4.14.88, 4.9.145, 4.4.167, and 3.18.129 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118428 #kernel [https://pleroma.site/objects/98a3d9a4-0a55-4f1d-909a-c2ce7b05782e]		Dec 13 19:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Nvidia unveils cheaper 4GB version of its Jetson TX2 and begins shipping its next-gen Xavier module http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118429 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fa59e5aa-e00f-4419-8dac-bffb693d7bc5]		Dec 13 19:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #KDE Applications 18.12 Are Waiting for You http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118430 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e54a2c1a-5c61-4355-86dd-d7e00bb5d9d6]		Dec 13 19:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Radeon ROCm 1.9.1 vs. NVIDIA OpenCL Linux Plus RTX 2080 TensorFlow Benchmarks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118431 [https://pleroma.site/objects/61d783e3-3223-4bfb-ae52-e7ce05cf5ccc]		Dec 13 19:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118432 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ef0bc946-df74-4f0b-b334-571290681bbb]		Dec 13 19:48
DaemonFC[m]	The IRS is switching to GNU/Linux to replace legacy UNIX systems, but it's the government, so it's taking them forever.	Dec 13 20:10
DaemonFC[m]	Among the things they forgot, according to TIGTA (Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration) is that they'd have to spend money teaching people how to use GNU/Linux.	Dec 13 20:10
DaemonFC[m]	The IRS says that it will still save taxpayers about $12 million over the next ten years vs. continuing to pay legacy support costs related to aging proprietary UNIX systems.	Dec 13 20:10
DaemonFC[m]	Early last year, the mobile marketshare of Android was 67% and right now it sits at 71%.	Dec 13 20:15
DaemonFC[m]	Apple published a "Switch to iPhone" app in the Google Play Store, but it seems like the migration is going the other way around.	Dec 13 20:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118433 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e5218d68-1d4a-4ae9-ad49-e5da9c2b8201]		Dec 13 20:41
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/562809.jpg	Dec 13 20:48
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112610	Dec 13 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de \| IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object		Dec 13 20:59
scientes	MinceR, they are too caught up in denial of collapse	Dec 13 21:10
MinceR	:>	Dec 13 21:11
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/562806.jpg	Dec 13 21:25
scientes	MinceR, no true	Dec 13 21:26
scientes	MinceR, http://www.joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html	Dec 13 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.joshworth.com \| If the Moon Were Only 1 Pixel - A tediously accurate map of the solar system		Dec 13 21:26
MinceR	that's way too large for me to compare	Dec 13 21:28
XRevan86	> Is the known universe 99.9999999999999999999958% empty? Or is it 0.0000000000000000000042% full?	Dec 13 21:45
MinceR	:)	Dec 13 21:46
schestowitz	XRevan86: nice	Dec 13 21:48
XRevan86	schestowitz: That's from the map scientes referenced :)	Dec 13 21:49
XRevan86	it's full of thoughts about space	Dec 13 21:49
XRevan86	Made me scroll it through to the end, mission accomplished, I guess :)	Dec 13 21:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118434 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fd96e7d4-2735-4848-8f31-14a001c2c619]		Dec 13 22:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Epic Games, DOOM and Lots of GNU/Linux Stuff http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118435 [https://pleroma.site/objects/011f031b-5146-4138-ba3e-ebcfc86423cb]		Dec 13 22:27
schestowitz	XRevan86: I saw it or something similar before	Dec 13 22:32
schestowitz	But the one I opened drove my browser crazy, unlike this one	Dec 13 22:32
XRevan86	schestowitz: Maybe the browser improved itself :)	Dec 13 22:33
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/562740.jpg	Dec 13 22:34
schestowitz	no idea who that is	Dec 13 22:35
schestowitz	but I can read it	Dec 13 22:36
MinceR	schestowitz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImaYMoTi2g8	Dec 13 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SNL40: Celebrity Jeopardy - SNL - YouTube		Dec 13 22:36
---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man scientes abeNd-org2 amarsh04		Dec 13 22:37
DaemonFC[m]	I've got Firefox 64. Fedora is still building with GCC 8, for now.	Dec 13 22:41
DaemonFC[m]	Turns out that the performance benchmark Mozilla ran compared Clang 7 (current) to GCC 6, which is more than two years old. :)	Dec 13 22:41
DaemonFC[m]	The Mozilla build bots never got upgraded past GCC 6, so Mozilla never tested the performance of Firefox built with GCC 8.	Dec 13 22:41
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: Why not GCC 4.8?	Dec 13 22:42
XRevan86	or GCC 3.x, Apple™ approved	Dec 13 22:43
cubexyz	aren't we up to gcc 5.5 now?	Dec 13 22:44
XRevan86	cubexyz: 8.2	Dec 13 22:44
cubexyz	I still use old gcc for some things	Dec 13 22:44
scientes	not if have a religious intolerance of GPL3	Dec 13 22:45
XRevan86	apparently GCC 4.2 was the last one on macOS	Dec 13 22:46
XRevan86	until they've removed it in favour of their new shiny non-copyleft LLVM-based Clang compiler.	Dec 13 22:47
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118436 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b94b2183-c924-4819-ab67-33d97ac111f0]		Dec 13 22:47
schestowitz	MinceR: are there still spammers that make the channel in need of talk modes?	Dec 13 22:48
XRevan86	though I am not sure, suprisingly hard to find reliable information on the matter	Dec 13 22:48
MinceR	schestowitz: indeed	Dec 13 22:48
DaemonFC[m]	until they've removed it in favour of their new shiny non-copyleft LLVM-based Clang compiler.	Dec 13 22:48
DaemonFC[m]	Apple builds macOS using Clang.	Dec 13 22:48
MinceR	they even changed their messages recently	Dec 13 22:48
MinceR	instead of the channel being moved, now there's some video about Cheeto Hitler	Dec 13 22:48
cubexyz	silly spammers	Dec 13 22:48
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: Yes. Hasn't always been this way though	Dec 13 22:48
schestowitz	MinceR: I'll be away sun-tue night (berlin), so won't be able to watch irc	Dec 13 22:49
MinceR	i'll be mostly around	Dec 13 22:49
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XRevan86	https://slashdot.org/story/07/07/23/0446204/GCC-421-Released oh yeah	Dec 13 22:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org \| GCC 4.2.1 Released - Slashdot		Dec 13 22:50
XRevan86	GCC 4.2.1 was the last one on macOS	Dec 13 22:50
XRevan86	and then they've made Clang to save themselves from the GPLv3 communist virus-crab menace	Dec 13 22:50
XRevan86	cancer-crab-virus menace, I mean	Dec 13 22:53
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 13/12/2018: IRS Migration, GNOME 3.31.3 Released http://techrights.org/2018/12/13/gnome-3-31-3-released/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/8be6e7fd-321d-4332-8491-0fd1a9d48eed]		Dec 13 22:54
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/562708.jpg	Dec 13 22:56
scientes	how can the CCP give 3 hour speeches	Dec 13 22:56
scientes	are they just trying to tire people out	Dec 13 22:57
MinceR	which CCP?	Dec 13 22:57
scientes	chinese communist party	Dec 13 22:57
MinceR	maybe they are	Dec 13 22:57
scientes	winnie the pooh	Dec 13 22:58
scientes	http://xijinping.online	Dec 13 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-winniethepooh.disney.com \| Winnie the Pooh & Pals \| Disney		Dec 13 22:58
MinceR	:)	Dec 13 22:58
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scientes	its a return to traditional values https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tao_of_Pooh :)	Dec 13 23:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| The Tao of Pooh - Wikipedia		Dec 13 23:00
scientes	https://twitter.com/unitedfronthk/status/1065835938079694848	Dec 13 23:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unitedfronthk: The renegade province of Hawaii is an inalienable part of the territory of the People's Republic of China! https://t.co/Pgcv9bReJ3		Dec 13 23:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unitedfronthk: The renegade province of Hawaii is an inalienable part of the territory of the People's Republic of China! https://t.co/Pgcv9bReJ3		Dec 13 23:11
scientes	https://twitter.com/shawnwzhang/status/1059118607139975173	Dec 13 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shawnwzhang: Maybe shows how China’s hi tech surveillance works: someone in Shanghai ordered too many takeouts, system marked it… https://t.co/Yjvsy2ZpmB		Dec 13 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shawnwzhang: Maybe shows how China’s hi tech surveillance works: someone in Shanghai ordered too many takeouts, system marked it… https://t.co/Yjvsy2ZpmB		Dec 13 23:17
XRevan86	> Enterprise, this is Earth station Bobruysk. Two to transport aboard.	Dec 13 23:36
XRevan86	I see Bobruysk is doing well in the ST:TNG future %)	Dec 13 23:36
XRevan86	(a city in Belarus, about 200 000 in population)	Dec 13 23:37
XRevan86	literally Beaverton	Dec 13 23:38
DaemonFC[m]	I might make a COPR with Firefox builds that continue to use GCC after Fedora makes the change over to CLang.	Dec 13 23:40
DaemonFC[m]	I think that this is a huge step backwards on security.	Dec 13 23:40
XRevan86	Whoa, from Bobruysk beamed up Yossel Koslov right from Babylon 5	Dec 13 23:43
XRevan86	I recognised him instantly	Dec 13 23:43
XRevan86	is it his job to play Russians?	Dec 13 23:43
XRevan86	of Theodore Bikel that is :)	Dec 13 23:43
DaemonFC[m]	https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24775240_10215378606525258_5431018488278336946_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_eui2=AeFZcdBFWh_kRbsx365io1MJPISclyK-AAoXcy0C6M76_Vf2PMM4dqQz2sIND9pe50ofRdoqQC7G-D1rphgBGuAM2xbisIzFUdgqScE2Mz5EKQ&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=d92d9751d0d8dcbded5a9d2a825176d2&oe=5C9E6F55	Dec 13 23:49
XRevan86	> Abington	Dec 13 23:50
XRevan86	Is that a cheap knock-off of Abingdon?	Dec 13 23:50
XRevan86	> Abingdon-on-Thames known just as Abingdon between 1974–2012	Dec 13 23:51
XRevan86	Oh, they've renamed it	Dec 13 23:51
XRevan86	I've been there (:	Dec 13 23:51
DaemonFC[m]	1.76 lifetime births per woman on average in the US.	Dec 13 23:55
DaemonFC[m]	The lowest rate on record.	Dec 13 23:55
DaemonFC[m]	A 2% drop between 2016 and 2017, according to the CDC.	Dec 13 23:55
DaemonFC[m]	MAGA! :P	Dec 13 23:55
XRevan86	high birthrates – bad, low birthrates – bad	Dec 13 23:56
XRevan86	decide already	Dec 13 23:56
DaemonFC[m]	I was wrong. Lowest in 40 yeaars.	Dec 13 23:57
DaemonFC[m]	&years	Dec 13 23:57
DaemonFC[m]	Ugh	Dec 13 23:57
DaemonFC[m]	Tied with 1978.	Dec 13 23:57
DaemonFC[m]	So, the last time that the birth rate was this low, we had hyperinflation and a recession going on at the same time.	Dec 13 23:57
DaemonFC[m]	Now they're telling us "The economy is robust." and "What inflation?".	Dec 13 23:58
XRevan86	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/b/bf/SKRRF.png that's Russia	Dec 13 23:59
DaemonFC[m]	Russian Financial Crisis kind of killed the mood in the 90s, huh?	Dec 14 00:01
XRevan86	Didn't know it was called a financial crisis	Dec 14 00:02
XRevan86	there were several explicit financial crises too though	Dec 14 00:02
XRevan86	like in 1998	Dec 14 00:02
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Russian_financial_crisis	Dec 14 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 1998 Russian financial crisis - Wikipedia		Dec 14 00:03
DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, well it looks like it hit rock bottom when the government had the sovereign debt default.	Dec 14 00:03
DaemonFC[m]	Which is why the Russian government still can't get loans at a reasonable interest rate.	Dec 14 00:03
XRevan86	and 90s in general weren't financial crises, they were just a crisis.	Dec 14 00:03
XRevan86	systemic global crisis of everything	Dec 14 00:04
DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, there was the Asian markets crises as well.	Dec 14 00:05
XRevan86	State apparatus, policies, economy, mentality, industry	Dec 14 00:05
DaemonFC[m]	And a few in South America.	Dec 14 00:05
XRevan86	failed basically everything	Dec 14 00:05
XRevan86	That's what happens when incompetent know-it-all reformers like Gorbachov or Yeltsin gain full power over a country.	Dec 14 00:07
XRevan86	Yeltsin felt remorse though, unlike Gorbachov who still thinks he's a hero.	Dec 14 00:10
XRevan86	A Nobel Prize for Peace helps probably	Dec 14 00:11
XRevan86	Before Gorbachov the USSR was extremely reluctant to change (Brezhnev's approach to reform was basically to not have any), which started to show painfully	Dec 14 00:13
XRevan86	so CPSU figured that literally everything is better than stagnation into nothingness	Dec 14 00:13
XRevan86	didn't turn out well	Dec 14 00:14
XRevan86	Probably why today Russians pick stagnation into nothingness	Dec 14 00:14
XRevan86	probably won't turn out well %)	Dec 14 00:14
XRevan86	It's like "Is Donald Trump better than the horrific status-quo? The answer may surprise you."	Dec 14 00:15
cubexyz	trump is pretty bad though	Dec 14 00:19
cubexyz	making cars more polluting, weakening EPA	Dec 14 00:20
cubexyz	it's a regression	Dec 14 00:20
XRevan86	cubexyz: I mean, if today were 2016	Dec 14 00:20
XRevan86	in 2018 the answer won't surprise anyone	Dec 14 00:21
XRevan86	The wife of Yossel Kozlov has a suspiciously not that bad accent	Dec 14 00:22
XRevan86	I mean, of Sergey Rozhenko	Dec 14 00:23
XRevan86	at least she pronounces "Сергей" almost right, like "Серге"	Dec 14 00:24
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Brown_(English_singer)	Dec 14 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Georgia Brown (English singer) - Wikipedia		Dec 14 00:24
XRevan86	> Brown grew up in a large extended East European Jewish family	Dec 14 00:26
DaemonFC[m]	making cars more polluting, weakening EPA	Dec 14 00:31
DaemonFC[m]	Not really making cars worse on pollution.	Dec 14 00:31
DaemonFC[m]	California and 14 other states adopted the Obama EPA fuel economy standards.	Dec 14 00:32
DaemonFC[m]	Car makers stick to the California standards and that's why the EPA usually eventually goes with those anyway.	Dec 14 00:32
DaemonFC[m]	My 2018 Kia Soul+ with the 2 liter DOHC engine averages 31.3 miles per gallon.	Dec 14 00:33
DaemonFC[m]	It has pretty much the same power to weight ratio as my 1996 Ford Crown Victoria, but I can haul a lot more cargo in it.	Dec 14 00:33
DaemonFC[m]	The Crown Victoria was averaging about 12.6 miles per gallon.	Dec 14 00:34
DaemonFC[m]	I go quite a long time without filling up the tank.	Dec 14 00:34
DaemonFC[m]	The trip computer tells me how many miles I have left before I'm out of gas and a bunch of other stuff.	Dec 14 00:35
DaemonFC[m]	A big part of keeping your fuel economy up is avoiding the cheap gas stations.	Dec 14 00:35
DaemonFC[m]	Only gas up at Top Tier brands.	Dec 14 00:36
DaemonFC[m]	AAA did their own independent study between Top Tier and bargain gas and found that the bargain stuff left 19 times the deposits on the intake valves.	Dec 14 00:36
DaemonFC[m]	Ick	Dec 14 00:36
DaemonFC[m]	Not worth the 3-5 cents per gallon you save, in the long run.	Dec 14 00:37
DaemonFC[m]	Cheap gas does more than screw up the engine.	Dec 14 00:39
DaemonFC[m]	It can cause premature failure of the catalytic convertor and other things.	Dec 14 00:40
DaemonFC[m]	Chicago is under the Clean Air Act requirement to smog test all cars that are more than five years old.	Dec 14 00:41
DaemonFC[m]	If any of your pollution control devices go out, you'll fail and you have to get it fixed before the state will renew your license plate.	Dec 14 00:41
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scientes	the Vatican should stop pussying out regarding hina	Dec 14 02:16
scientes	China	Dec 14 02:16
scientes	they arn't allowed to teach re-incarnation	Dec 14 02:18
scientes	I just find it stupid that people bend over backwards for CCP	Dec 14 02:29
scientes	because they don't have a concept of citizenship	Dec 14 02:29
scientes	basically you have to be Han or you are an outsider	Dec 14 02:29
scientes	It is a racial identity	Dec 14 02:29
scientes	so why are non-chinese afraid to criticize a group they can NEVER be part of?	Dec 14 02:29
scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wrpxfCJ_EAv	Dec 14 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Coca-Cola's Corporate Takeover Of Mexico - YouTube		Dec 14 03:07
scientes	horrible for people's teeth	Dec 14 03:14
scientes	coca-cola providing drink foundains	Dec 14 04:07
scientes	woah	Dec 14 04:07
scientes	*water fountains	Dec 14 04:07
scientes	you have to get approved to have amazon host your web-site in china because of the censors https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2013/12/18/announcing-the-aws-china-beijing-region/	Dec 14 04:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-aws.amazon.com \| Announcing the AWS China (Beijing) Region		Dec 14 04:50
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scientes	XRevan86, https://wikileaks.org//spyfiles/russia/	Dec 14 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org \| WikiLeaks - Spy Files Russia		Dec 14 04:59
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scientes	https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576711/Buy-ghost-village-50-000-Thousands-abandoned-Spanish-hamlets-sale-price-London-garage.html#ixzz3ljpIc5iU	Dec 14 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk \| Inside the Spanish ghost villages you can buy for £50,000 \| Daily Mail Online		Dec 14 05:47
scientes	"The abandoned homes are being sold now because the families cannot pay the upkeep or know they will never be able to afford to return"	Dec 14 05:47
scientes	more like: they can't afford not to return	Dec 14 05:47
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/bWWqakP.jpg	Dec 14 06:44
schestowitz	[05:47] <scientes> more like: they can't afford not to return	Dec 14 07:13
schestowitz	Daily Fail is not reliable	Dec 14 07:13
scientes	ahh yes i don't know much about foreign press	Dec 14 07:14
schestowitz	Don't believe anything you read there, they have an APPALLING track record. Wikipedia even banned them.	Dec 14 07:14
schestowitz	I don't even touch that domain	Dec 14 07:14
schestowitz	As credible as Onion	Dec 14 07:14
*scientes loves the onion		Dec 14 07:14
scientes	but I watched a good documentary on abandoned spanish towns in the north-west	Dec 14 07:15
schestowitz	MinceR: "funnies"	Dec 14 07:15
scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSFSiXiinnc	Dec 14 07:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Spain's Abandoned Villages - YouTube		Dec 14 07:15
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schestowitz	scientes: thanks	Dec 14 07:20
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schestowitz	kaniini:	Dec 14 07:26
schestowitz	df	Dec 14 07:26
schestowitz	Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on	Dec 14 07:26
schestowitz	devtmpfs 10240 0 10240 0% /dev	Dec 14 07:26
schestowitz	shm 16460476 0 16460476 0% /dev/shm	Dec 14 07:26
schestowitz	/dev/md126 6819904 6417152 36596 99% /	Dec 14 07:26
schestowitz	is it OK for the hypervisor to have root this full?	Dec 14 07:26
schestowitz	I wonder if that causes the issue	Dec 14 07:27
scientes	depends how much is reserved for root	Dec 14 07:27
scientes	but basically: yes	Dec 14 07:27
*schestowitz looking on how to boot the two VMs, planning to switch over around xmas		Dec 14 07:27
schestowitz	kaniini: to summarise what happened while you were recovering, I edited with nano a config file (nothing special), could not save the changes, then the techrights VM went all funny	Dec 14 07:30
schestowitz	And now neither VM can be started, I'm trying to figure it out myself from the hypervisor, could use help from anyone else here in this channel	Dec 14 07:31
schestowitz	This is qemu and kvm	Dec 14 07:31
scientes	you need to mount it with kpartx	Dec 14 07:31
schestowitz	We're in need of urgent move to the new datacentre	Dec 14 07:31
scientes	and remove some of that data	Dec 14 07:31
schestowitz	both tuxmachines and techrights	Dec 14 07:31
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schestowitz	the VMs have been passed across already, just need to boot them up, synch the DBs, then update DNS	Dec 14 07:32
schestowitz	I could use some help if someone here is good at this sort of stuff	Dec 14 07:32
schestowitz	scientes: would space on /root explain the issue?	Dec 14 07:32
scientes	i am talking about the root user	Dec 14 07:33
schestowitz	[ ok ]	Dec 14 07:33
schestowitz	localhost:~# sudo rc-service -l	Dec 14 07:33
scientes	the root user can use the last 1% or so (depending on fs settings) and not any other use	Dec 14 07:33
schestowitz	t	Dec 14 07:33
schestowitz	qemu.techrights	Dec 14 07:33
schestowitz	qemu.tuxmachines	Dec 14 07:33
schestowitz	localhost:~# rc-service qemu.techrights restart	Dec 14 07:33
schestowitz	* Stopping VM techrights ...	Dec 14 07:33
schestowitz	Waiting 40 seconds for VM shutdown ........................................	Dec 14 07:34
schestowitz	* Failed to shutdown VM gracefully using ACPI, stopping it with force [ ok ]	Dec 14 07:34
schestowitz	sh: %0: invalid format	Dec 14 07:34
schestowitz	* Starting VM techrights ...	Dec 14 07:34
schestowitz	(running there with 8 CPU cores (physical)	Dec 14 07:34
schestowitz	but it's not even accessible	Dec 14 07:34
schestowitz	(I'm not an expert at VMs)	Dec 14 07:34
scientes	did you free some space on /?	Dec 14 07:34
schestowitz	no	Dec 14 07:34
scientes	you have to do that or it wont boot	Dec 14 07:34
schestowitz	Do you think this is why it fails?	Dec 14 07:34
scientes	unless you boot in rescue mode	Dec 14 07:34
scientes	yes	Dec 14 07:34
schestowitz	OK, let me try	Dec 14 07:35
schestowitz	/tmp and /var/log don't have much in them?	Dec 14 07:36
schestowitz	where else to look?	Dec 14 07:36
scientes	use du --max-depth=1 -m	Dec 14 07:37
scientes	/var/cache	Dec 14 07:37
schestowitz	localhost:/var/cache# du -sh	Dec 14 07:38
schestowitz	748.0K .	Dec 14 07:38
scientes	damn	Dec 14 07:38
scientes	maybe your mysql databases have a bunch of spam in them	Dec 14 07:38
schestowitz	localhost:/var/cache# du -sh	Dec 14 07:39
schestowitz	748.0K .	Dec 14 07:39
schestowitz	du --max-depth=1 not supported in alpine	Dec 14 07:40
schestowitz	scientes: no DBs in the hypervisor	Dec 14 07:40
schestowitz	this is the hypervidor	Dec 14 07:40
scientes	oooooo	Dec 14 07:40
scientes	then the problem is the images are too big	Dec 14 07:40
scientes	that is difficult problem	Dec 14 07:41
schestowitz	localhost:/# du -h -d1 /	Dec 14 07:41
schestowitz	1.4M /var	Dec 14 07:41
schestowitz	47.2G /mnt	Dec 14 07:41
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schestowitz	5.5G /home	Dec 14 07:41
schestowitz	18.1M /boot	Dec 14 07:41
schestowitz	86.2M /usr	Dec 14 07:41
schestowitz	16.0K /lost+found	Dec 14 07:41
schestowitz	0 /proc	Dec 14 07:41
schestowitz	2.2M /bin	Dec 14 07:41
schestowitz	489.5M /lib	Dec 14 07:42
schestowitz	5.4M /sbin	Dec 14 07:42
schestowitz	2.3M /etc	Dec 14 07:42
schestowitz	12.0K /tmp	Dec 14 07:42
schestowitz	0 /sys	Dec 14 07:42
schestowitz	4.0K /srv	Dec 14 07:42
schestowitz	192.0K /run	Dec 14 07:42
schestowitz	16.0K /media	Dec 14 07:42
schestowitz	0 /dev	Dec 14 07:42
scientes	its /home	Dec 14 07:43
schestowitz	yeah	Dec 14 07:43
schestowitz	I found the culprit	Dec 14 07:43
schestowitz	an unfinished transfer	Dec 14 07:43
schestowitz	df	Dec 14 07:43
schestowitz	Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on	Dec 14 07:43
schestowitz	devtmpfs 10240 0 10240 0% /dev	Dec 14 07:43
schestowitz	shm 16460476 0 16460476 0% /dev/shm	Dec 14 07:43
schestowitz	/dev/md126 6819904 632240 5821508 10% /	Dec 14 07:43
scientes	nice	Dec 14 07:44
schestowitz	let's see if it makes a difference for qemu	Dec 14 07:44
schestowitz	this sites' migration thing REALLY stresses me out	Dec 14 07:45
schestowitz	15+ years of everyday work	Dec 14 07:45
schestowitz	and it's all right there in two VMs	Dec 14 07:45
schestowitz	I think I now realise something	Dec 14 07:46
schestowitz	when I edited the file with nano	Dec 14 07:46
schestowitz	causing the VM to 'break'	Dec 14 07:46
schestowitz	This was likely the first time I ever made a write operation there	Dec 14 07:47
schestowitz	so maybe the write itself was the trigger	Dec 14 07:47
schestowitz	but then again, the cron job there did make some nightly dumps	Dec 14 07:47
schestowitz	and the logs in /var/log did add up	Dec 14 07:47
scientes	did it boot?	Dec 14 07:48
schestowitz	I cannot ssh to it	Dec 14 07:48
schestowitz	so I assume now	Dec 14 07:48
scientes	youve had the same VMs for all these years schestowitz ?	Dec 14 07:48
schestowitz	so I assume not	Dec 14 07:48
schestowitz	I want to see what the VM does when I boot it	Dec 14 07:48
schestowitz	scientes: they moved around a bit on the same host	Dec 14 07:49
schestowitz	we also rebuilt a few times with new centos versions	Dec 14 07:49
schestowitz	ssh: connect to host 199.19.78.19 port 22: No route to host	Dec 14 07:49
schestowitz	That's the new IP for the techrights site	Dec 14 07:49
scientes	ne word for me: edgelord	Dec 14 07:50
schestowitz	I just want to know the command for me to see the VM booting and what happens in the process	Dec 14 07:52
schestowitz	this is CLI only	Dec 14 07:52
schestowitz	and I'm not too familiar with these tools	Dec 14 07:52
scientes	sounds like you have a crappy host	Dec 14 07:52
scientes	oh wait you are your own host	Dec 14 07:52
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scientes	reddit is full of people bitching about wikipedia asking for money	Dec 14 07:58
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18091654	Dec 14 07:58
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scientes	https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/f/ff/Wikidonationsfuckyou.PNG	Dec 14 07:58
schestowitz	wow, just checked logs	Dec 14 07:58
schestowitz	I think techrights had all-time record for traffic last week	Dec 14 07:59
MinceR	scientes: obviously, people should bitch on wikipedia about people bitching on reddit	Dec 14 07:59
schestowitz	I don't touch reddit, since they went proprietary	Dec 14 08:00
schestowitz	some time last year, IIRC	Dec 14 08:00
scientes	Conde Nast	Dec 14 08:00
schestowitz	I avoid them as a matter of principle now	Dec 14 08:00
schestowitz	scientes: that too	Dec 14 08:00
schestowitz	but when it was at least libre at the back end, then OK, sort of	Dec 14 08:00
scientes	they do delete quite a bit of stuff that gets to the front page and they dont like	Dec 14 08:00
schestowitz	Conde Nast is dying	Dec 14 08:00
schestowitz	it's shutting down or shelving/selling some of its 'properties'	Dec 14 08:00
scientes	oh i thought it was still a gpl software	Dec 14 08:00
schestowitz	many people also fired	Dec 14 08:01
scientes	guess they were threatened by the clone	Dec 14 08:01
brendyyn	jitsi meet seems to run quite well. the free server they provide is slow so I thought it sucked, but it's running perfectly on my vps. now I just need to figure out how to make it private behind a password somehow	Dec 14 08:01
schestowitz	maybe, voat?	Dec 14 08:01
scientes	yes	Dec 14 08:01
scientes	it was never a threat though	Dec 14 08:01
schestowitz	brendyyn: I used it ages ago	Dec 14 08:01
scientes	brendyyn, jitsi can't share screens with wayland	Dec 14 08:01
scientes	(mostly a wayland problem...)	Dec 14 08:01
brendyyn	well yeah there isn't much they can do about that i imagine	Dec 14 08:02
brendyyn	I actually have no idea how to make it private. anyone can use my site now...	Dec 14 08:02
scientes	I reported /r/aznidentity as being a Han supremacist subreddit (they deny the Tienanmen Square massacre as an indicator, and banned me for posting about Xin Jiang), but it hasn't been quarantined yet	Dec 14 08:04
schestowitz	First time I head of "Han supremacists"	Dec 14 08:04
schestowitz	*hear	Dec 14 08:05
scientes	its a real growing problem	Dec 14 08:05
scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiRIN3Hyd_w	Dec 14 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-China is Going Through a Scary Change - YouTube		Dec 14 08:05
brendyyn	They'd probably even be banned in china	Dec 14 08:06
scientes	well they post on YouTube	Dec 14 08:06
scientes	they have some chinese fans, but those are savvy enough to use VPNs	Dec 14 08:06
scientes	(and it is in English anyways...)	Dec 14 08:06
schestowitz	tessier: are you online by any chance right now?	Dec 14 08:07
scientes	self-entitled Han expect free hotel stay because they arrived one day early https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/17/china-accuses-sweden-of-violating-human-rights-over-treatment-of-tourists	Dec 14 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| China accuses Sweden of violating human rights over treatment of tourists \| World news \| The Guardian		Dec 14 08:09
scientes	ahh that doesn't have the best part "this is killing!!!!!", which has become a meme	Dec 14 08:10
schestowitz	seems like an apline (among other) thing https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux_Init_System	Dec 14 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.alpinelinux.org \| Alpine Linux Init System - Alpine Linux		Dec 14 08:10
scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez3SaiulaHM	Dec 14 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Rise of Chinese Nationalism - YouTube		Dec 14 08:10
scientes	why that instance in the Sweden hotel is important, is because CHINA brought it up as a "human rights violation" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpjkURzcgi8	Dec 14 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sinophobia is not ok (English subtitles) - YouTube		Dec 14 08:11
brendyyn	If I set a password using nginx, it seems the mobile app would simply fail to connect..? Why is it assumed that I want everyone in the world using my server	Dec 14 08:12
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112560	Dec 14 08:16
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MinceR	voat is c# :(	Dec 14 08:16
schestowitz	#wikipedia is hated by them https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/f/ff/Wikidonationsfuckyou.PNG	Dec 14 08:20
schestowitz	so no wonder	Dec 14 08:20
schestowitz	pretty nasty	Dec 14 08:21
scientes	encyclopedia dramatica use to have some good stuff, now its kinda garbage and they don't let people create accounts anymore	Dec 14 08:21
schestowitz	nasty bunch	Dec 14 08:22
schestowitz	seems like 4chan almost	Dec 14 08:22
schestowitz	not worth feeding	Dec 14 08:22
scientes	yeah pretty much	Dec 14 08:22
schestowitz	ad racist too	Dec 14 08:22
scientes	overtly	Dec 14 08:22
schestowitz	"nigger", "Taiwanese hooker"...	Dec 14 08:22
schestowitz	I now see how I can run the VM thing in verbose mode	Dec 14 08:23
schestowitz	but still not how to see output from the boot sequence	Dec 14 08:23
scientes	schestowitz, sometimes history is that bad however, and sometimes Wikipedia is resistant to presenting humanity how it is	Dec 14 08:23
schestowitz	The VMs are treated just like a service	Dec 14 08:24
schestowitz	localhost:/run/qemu/techrights# ls -la	Dec 14 08:24
schestowitz	total 4	Dec 14 08:24
scientes	like not allowing gore pictures of dead Gaddafi	Dec 14 08:24
schestowitz	drwxr-x--- 2 qemu qemu 80 Dec 14 08:13 .	Dec 14 08:24
schestowitz	drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 80 Nov 27 21:41 ..	Dec 14 08:24
schestowitz	srwxr-xr-x 1 qemu qemu 0 Dec 14 08:13 monitor.sock	Dec 14 08:24
schestowitz	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6 Dec 14 08:13 qemu.pid	Dec 14 08:24
schestowitz	yeah, but you have to consider what you allow to balance with censors	Dec 14 08:24
schestowitz	Like I would not upload photos of breasts to my servers	Dec 14 08:25
schestowitz	or others' servers either for that matter	Dec 14 08:25
schestowitz	corpses are another thing	Dec 14 08:25
scientes	and the demonetization of YouTube videos is a huge threat to independant news reporting	Dec 14 08:25
schestowitz	I once saw piles of dead bodies in a newspaper and it wasn't nice	Dec 14 08:25
scientes	NY Times puts them on the front page sometimes	Dec 14 08:26
scientes	but yeah, I starting using the term Han Supremacist after I started understanding the views on ethnic minorities in China, and also the glass heart regarding foreigners and the impossibility of any foreigner ever becoming Chinese. Also, this was on the most prime-time Chinese TV (Lunar New Year gala) https://supchina.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/CCTV-Spring-Festival-Gala-Africa-skit-blackface-2-1200x967.jpg	Dec 14 08:29
schestowitz	--- Physical volume ---	Dec 14 08:30
schestowitz	PV Name /dev/mapper/vg0-techrights.org6	Dec 14 08:30
schestowitz	VG Name sysvg	Dec 14 08:30
schestowitz	PV Size <81.21 GiB / not usable 4.00 MiB	Dec 14 08:30
schestowitz	OK, I give up for now ... hopefully kaniini will find time later (I know he's very busy).. at least I now have a better understanding of how the hypervisor works... so in the future I'll be less dependent on kaniini to save me	Dec 14 08:33
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18091650	Dec 14 08:36
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scientes	I think this is an added thing that makes the Taiwan situation so serious a existential threat to the PRC	Dec 14 08:42
scientes	while Taiwan had indigenous people living there, and actually very little history of Han settlement, it is undeniably primarily Han Chinese now, and thus provides a cultural counterbalance to the CCP that is hard to describe as illegitimate	Dec 14 08:44
scientes	*very recent history	Dec 14 08:44
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DaemonFC[m]	while Taiwan had indigenous people living there, and actually very little history of Han settlement, it is undeniably primarily Han Chinese now, and thus provides a cultural counterbalance to the CCP that is hard to describe as illegitimate	Dec 14 17:37
DaemonFC[m]	I heard that China is now offering bounties on producers of porn, and thee bounties aree so large that people are quitting their jobs to go hunting porn producers.	Dec 14 17:37
DaemonFC[m]	Like $86,500 per person you rat out to the state, which is an insane amount of money in China. More than a factory worker will make in many years.	Dec 14 17:37
DaemonFC[m]	Seems like a fantastic use of the money. :/	Dec 14 17:37
XRevan86	I've just been performance-checking some C code, and also tried Clang – it reliably performs worse.	Dec 14 17:39
DaemonFC[m]	I've always thought that the laws in the US on prostitution were pretty strange.	Dec 14 17:39
DaemonFC[m]	If you pay someone to have sex with you, it's illegal. If you pay someone to have sex with you and your buddy is over there filming it so it can go on the internet. Not illegal.	Dec 14 17:39
DaemonFC[m]	I've just been performance-checking some C code, and also tried Clang – it reliably performs worse.	Dec 14 17:40
DaemonFC[m]	Yes, and Mozilla admitted that their benchmarks were of Clang 7 vs GCC 6.	Dec 14 17:40
DaemonFC[m]	They didn't benchmark Clang 7-built Firefox against one built with GCC 8.	Dec 14 17:41
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: Did they change their position?	Dec 14 17:41
DaemonFC[m]	They said they didn't want to use newer GCC because it would "break binary compatibility" on older GNU/Linux distributions. Well, those older distros are using older versions of glibc.	Dec 14 17:42
DaemonFC[m]	Does Firefox built with Clang 7 not break?	Dec 14 17:42
XRevan86	https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/C_002b_002b-Dialect-Options.html	Dec 14 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org \| Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC): C++ Dialect Options		Dec 14 17:42
DaemonFC[m]	GNU/Linux distributions don't have the binary compatibility problem because they have the latest glibc.	Dec 14 17:42
DaemonFC[m]	So they benefit from the newest compiler and the newest glibc.	Dec 14 17:43
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: That's not glibc, that's libgcc	Dec 14 17:43
DaemonFC[m]	Err, yeah.	Dec 14 17:43
DaemonFC[m]	But truth is, we have no honest idea how Firefox provided by Fedora 29 stacks up against a Mozilla build.	Dec 14 17:43
DaemonFC[m]	I could probably download their Mozilla build and run it through benchmarks and see what happens.	Dec 14 17:43
XRevan86	the binary compatibility problem will come if they link with something dynamically	Dec 14 17:44
DaemonFC[m]	Which, they have to.	Dec 14 17:44
XRevan86	but I don't think Clang has a magic pill for that	Dec 14 17:44
DaemonFC[m]	Static linking creates problems with Mozilla's license.	Dec 14 17:45
DaemonFC[m]	So, how are they going to distribute Flatpaks?	Dec 14 17:46
XRevan86	* if they link with something dynamically from the system	Dec 14 17:46
XRevan86	they can bundle something	Dec 14 17:47
XRevan86	but like I mentioned, a newer GCC can use an older ABI	Dec 14 17:48
DaemonFC[m]	Okay, I downloaded the tarball from Mozilla.	Dec 14 17:51
DaemonFC[m]	It says they built it with Clang 6.0.2	Dec 14 17:51
XRevan86	I think they should consider a compiler separately for each platform, and not just push Clang everywhere	Dec 14 17:53
DaemonFC[m]	You can remove the Firefox from Fedora and just dump Mozilla's into /opt.	Dec 14 17:53
DaemonFC[m]	I've done it before.	Dec 14 17:53
XRevan86	macOS: Clang, because ein reich; Windows: Clang, because it's easier to cross-compile and FOSSier than VC++, and probably without as much .dll's as MinGW has	Dec 14 17:54
XRevan86	UNIX-like: GCC, because it's the superior compiler.	Dec 14 17:55
XRevan86	I don't care as much about the Mozilla's binary bundle, but distributions should stick to GCC.	Dec 14 17:56
XRevan86	> You can remove the Firefox from Fedora and just dump Mozilla's into /opt.	Dec 14 17:56
XRevan86	… Why? %)	Dec 14 17:56
DaemonFC[m]	I'll just run all the tests myself.	Dec 14 17:58
DaemonFC[m]	I'll publish my findings on Phoronix.	Dec 14 17:59
DaemonFC[m]	Mozilla obviously isn't worried that gcc 8 may be better than clang and Phoronix is just a copy and past shitposting site for ad revenue.	Dec 14 18:00
DaemonFC[m]	I doubt that clang builds are significantly faster than gcc 8 builds.	Dec 14 18:04
DaemonFC[m]	We shall see.	Dec 14 18:04
DaemonFC[m]	Mozilla's build did better on ARES-6.	Dec 14 18:07
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A Look At The Clear Linux Performance Over The Course Of 2018 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118445 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0ecc635b-cd2e-44bb-9cf8-0458982d9e34]		Dec 14 18:16
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XRevan86	what I'm trying out is this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ee18d7fa	Dec 14 18:25
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XRevan86	looking at which approach with implementing asprintf works better	Dec 14 18:25
XRevan86	* https://paste.debian.net/1055872	Dec 14 18:28
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XRevan86	https://paste.debian.net/hidden/038e8fe2 testing	Dec 14 18:35
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DaemonFC[m]	It looks like the Clang 6 build beats the gcc 8 build by high single digit percentages on Javascript benchmarks, overall.	Dec 14 18:35
DaemonFC[m]	But the gcc builds run some individual tests better.	Dec 14 18:36
DaemonFC[m]	It's not insignificant, but it's way less than the difference that Mozilla measured against gcc 6.	Dec 14 18:37
XRevan86	"not enough space" means that I've changed init_size to "10"	Dec 14 18:37
XRevan86	* https://paste.debian.net/1055876/	Dec 14 18:37
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XRevan86	weirdly in one case out of 6 clang performs better	Dec 14 18:38
DaemonFC[m]	I think that maybe Firefox is a special case where Clang does better, and that much of that is probably because running Javascript is a lot of what the browser is doing constantly.	Dec 14 18:39
XRevan86	I'm torn because each version of the code has some advantage and disadvantage	Dec 14 18:40
DaemonFC[m]	Is the Clang exception for Firefox okay? I guess. But from what I've seen, you definitely don't want the entire OS built with it.	Dec 14 18:40
DaemonFC[m]	Because in many cases, we see the exact opposite.	Dec 14 18:40
DaemonFC[m]	Firefox built with Clang might be 10% faster, overall, but most apps suffer 20 or even 30% performance loss if you build them with Clang instead of GCC.	Dec 14 18:41
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: might be, might be not %)	Dec 14 18:41
XRevan86	yet to be proven with modern compilers	Dec 14 18:42
DaemonFC[m]	I'm running the image rendering test now.	Dec 14 18:47
DaemonFC[m]	This one has less to do with Javascript.	Dec 14 18:48
DaemonFC[m]	XRevan86 Well, Mozilla didn't account for the fact that GCC had teo years to improve vs what they had been using.	Dec 14 18:49
DaemonFC[m]	Fortunately, Fedora builds with GCC 8.2.1, so we can see what happens in a more or less fair fight.	Dec 14 18:50
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: Yet they've used the latest Clang	Dec 14 18:50
DaemonFC[m]	Precisely.	Dec 14 18:50
DaemonFC[m]	If switching compilers gives them a performance win, they need it.	Dec 14 18:51
DaemonFC[m]	Chrome has been beating them up for years.	Dec 14 18:51
DaemonFC[m]	I think I'll benchmark Fedora's Chromium and Google Chrome while I'm at it.	Dec 14 18:52
DaemonFC[m]	And maybe toss in GNOME Web with the latest stable WebkitGTK.	Dec 14 18:52
DaemonFC[m]	Holy crap.	Dec 14 18:53
DaemonFC[m]	The Clang build beat the shit out of the GCC one on the image rendering test.	Dec 14 18:54
XRevan86	oh boy	Dec 14 18:55
DaemonFC[m]	But Chromium 70 GCC 8 from Fedora ran the ARES-6 test in half the time of Firefox 64 Clang 6.	Dec 14 19:02
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DaemonFC[m]	So Mozilla isn't doing particularly well either way on that test.	Dec 14 19:03
DaemonFC[m]	Google's V8 engine runs Javascript a lot faster.	Dec 14 19:03
DaemonFC[m]	The bottom line is Firefox is hardly a speed demon no matter what compiler you use and Chromium beats it hands down either way even if you build it with GCC.	Dec 14 19:05
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Metropolisim, Monster Prom, Kingdom Two Crowns and Lots More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118448 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a02f1ae9-43c0-4c52-883f-ffe683564cf9]		Dec 14 19:06
DaemonFC[m]	This shouldn't come as a surprise considering that Chrome is a subsidy black hole for Google and they don't care.	Dec 14 19:07
DaemonFC[m]	Now this is interesting. Chromium actually ran the Jetstream tests slower than Firefox.	Dec 14 19:08
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DaemonFC[m]	Interesting. GNOME Web won the ARES-6 round.	Dec 14 19:36
DaemonFC[m]	Running it through Speedometer now.	Dec 14 19:37
XRevan86	C89: https://paste.debian.net/1055888 https://paste.debian.net/1055889	Dec 14 19:38
XRevan86	C++11: https://paste.debian.net/1055892 https://paste.debian.net/1055891	Dec 14 19:38
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XRevan86	Improved my benching, also with C++ now %)	Dec 14 19:38
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XRevan86	I thought std::string will perform slower	Dec 14 19:40
DaemonFC[m]	GNOME Web wins again.	Dec 14 19:41
DaemonFC[m]	Jetstream....	Dec 14 19:41
DaemonFC[m]	So far it's looking like Webkit has the fastest Javascript engine out of the bunch.	Dec 14 19:41
DaemonFC[m]	That was a surprise.	Dec 14 19:42
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: That is a surprise	Dec 14 19:43
DaemonFC[m]	Jetstream was a big win for GNOME Web too.	Dec 14 19:46
DaemonFC[m]	It blew all of the other browsers out of the water on all three Javascript benchmarks.	Dec 14 19:46
DaemonFC[m]	Running MotionMark.... Last test.	Dec 14 19:47
DaemonFC[m]	Looks like the fastest browsers on GNU/Linux are likely to be GNOME Web or Midori using the latest WebkitGTK release.	Dec 14 19:47
DaemonFC[m]	But Chromium got a pretty high score on MotionMark and even higher when I set some GPU flags.	Dec 14 19:48
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DaemonFC[m]	Looks like Clang builds LAME better if you're using -O2.	Dec 14 21:41
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DaemonFC[m]	This also makes things difficult for Wine, because it has to stop and consider how a piece of the Windows API should behave when the simulated "Windows version" is set a certain way. Even though the same function should perform the way the documentation says it does, no matter what the version of Windows, that's not necessarily what ends up happening.	Dec 14 23:11
DaemonFC[m]	In the particular case of WideCharToMultiByte, implementing the Windows 10 behavior regardless of the "Windows version" is probably the correct thing to do, because a program definitely shouldn't fail under the more lax Windows 10 behavior, but it might fail if you implement WideCharToMultiByte according to Microsoft documentation.	Dec 14 23:11
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DaemonFC[m]	https://pastebin.com/vCzvRcha	Dec 14 23:40
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DaemonFC[m]	There's a comparison of several browsers running the Browserbench suite.	Dec 14 23:40
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scientes	XRevan86, this is a significant missing optimization in llvm/clang https://bugs.llvm.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39043	Dec 15 00:04
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DaemonFC[m]	https://webkit.org/blog/5852/introducing-the-b3-jit-compiler/	Dec 15 00:11
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scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVfiFlLkpB8	Dec 15 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Greeks Are Returning To The Countryside (2012) - YouTube		Dec 15 00:17
scientes	but this isn't happening in Spain yet	Dec 15 00:17
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scientes	http://chinawatchcanada.blogspot.com/2016/10/video-eyebrows-raised-as-china-flag.html	Dec 15 04:59
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scientes	this is fucked up shit	Dec 15 05:00
scientes	I guess Canada decided it is succeeding from the British Commonwealth Realm and joining the Chinese Realm	Dec 15 05:01
scientes	I find it baffling how much treason is tolerated in today's western society	Dec 15 05:02
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scientes	this is how close Huawei is CCP http://chinawatchcanada.blogspot.com/2018/12/mugshots-ren-zhengfei-huawei-and-family.html	Dec 15 05:05
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18091639	Dec 15 05:07
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scientes	don't they have enough people from Eastern Europe to get pissed at them for the red scarves	Dec 15 05:09
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/mcCgJkY	Dec 15 05:33
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scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvvfbAp_RZo	Dec 15 05:35
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scientes	this is great stuff	Dec 15 05:37
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scientes	that helped me think better about the situation in china	Dec 15 05:52
scientes	there is nothing wrong with the vatican trying to work out something that will work with the CCP, as long as it continues to excommunicate bishops	Dec 15 05:53
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Managing Servers: #Appaserver and #Cockpit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/118467 [https://pleroma.site/objects/80c8c4d9-e710-4432-b4f8-74095bef107c]		Dec 15 06:41
scientes	how did assange release this new video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4XhiPSVYzI	Dec 15 06:49
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scientes	i thought he wasn't allowed to contact the outside world	Dec 15 06:49
scientes	thats what broke small sites devoted to individualized content https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Panda	Dec 15 07:34
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scientes	A big caveat of the internet is that it doesn't make people more intelligent	Dec 15 07:37
scientes	or educated	Dec 15 07:37
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scientes	https://i.redd.it/rkv61scawc421.png	Dec 15 09:39
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scientes	XRevan86, and party election are allowed to discriminate by race https://texaspolitics.utexas.edu/archive/html/vce/features/0503_01/smith.html	Dec 15 11:59
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scientes	*in Texas	Dec 15 11:59
scientes	oh it was overturned	Dec 15 12:00
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XRevan86	> it fired the opening salvo in a two-decade long legal and political struggle whose outcome hinged on whether a party could or should be regarded as a private entity with the right to establish its own internal rules	Dec 15 12:02
scientes	oooh those were federa supreme court cases	Dec 15 12:02
scientes	yeah some ugly US history there, but not taught as much as the Dead Scott case	Dec 15 12:03
scientes	because of a need to keep the story that the civil war (which was basically an invasion of the south by the north) ended slavery	Dec 15 12:03
XRevan86	A party could've been regarded as a private entity in a more democratic system.	Dec 15 12:04
XRevan86	where there's an actual choice between political parties	Dec 15 12:04
scientes	XRevan86, mind you that the US always has had districts, rather than proportional representation	Dec 15 12:04
scientes	parties are more relevent with proportional representation	Dec 15 12:04
scientes	its also why you get Ilhan Omar and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the gerrymandered districts	Dec 15 12:06
scientes	https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/us/politics/georgia-voter-suppression.html	Dec 15 12:14
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scientes	I wouldn't want to visit that part of the country	Dec 15 12:16
scientes	I have met enough of those people here to know I want nothing to do with such a racist place	Dec 15 12:16
scientes	but it is of course nothing compared to the rising Han nationalism in Red China	Dec 15 12:17
scientes	wow, 20 states	Dec 15 12:19
scientes	Claiming they seek to deter election fraud, some 20 states have restricted early voting or passed laws requiring people to show government ID before voting.	Dec 15 12:20
scientes	that is reason enough to boycott the vote	Dec 15 12:20
scientes	organ harvesting in Red China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIiVlIkJcJU	Dec 15 12:23
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XRevan86	Am I imagining things or does Firefox 64 eat a lot less RAM than 63 did?	Dec 15 14:11
XRevan86	Ah, never mind, I looked at a wrong panel	Dec 15 14:12
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DaemonFC[m]	It's probably using more.	Dec 15 16:13
DaemonFC[m]	WebExtensions are running in their own process now.	Dec 15 16:13
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: That was the case with 63 too	Dec 15 16:16
DaemonFC[m]	On all platforms?	Dec 15 16:16
XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: yes	Dec 15 16:17
XRevan86	They introduced it in 63	Dec 15 16:17
XRevan86	for GNU/Linux	Dec 15 16:18
DaemonFC[m]	Firefox beta/developer are being built with Clang 7 already.	Dec 15 16:19
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XRevan86	https://paste.debian.net/1056017 I keep trying to figure out what the heck.	Dec 15 17:40
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XRevan86	gtkmm + GCC + initializer_list in a class constructor == problem.	Dec 15 17:40
XRevan86	+ a gtkmm widget pointer in the initializer_list	Dec 15 17:41
XRevan86	I should probably report it somewhere…	Dec 15 17:47
scientes	XRevan86, this covers the propaganda basis even before the the Baby Boomers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPdP80BnZfE	Dec 15 19:07
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scientes	nah, that video isn't that good	Dec 15 19:08
scientes	but i still think there is something to the idea that the baby boomers are sociopaths	Dec 15 19:08
scientes	its what capitalism does to people	Dec 15 19:09
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XRevan86	scientes: At the beginning they showed a snippet that says "Communism denies religion and debases the individual to a part of a vast machine that powers the state"	Dec 15 19:25
XRevan86	great analysis there, Uncle Sam Holmes	Dec 15 19:26
XRevan86	oh my goodness	Dec 15 19:33
XRevan86	https://youtu.be/MPdP80BnZfE?t=300	Dec 15 19:33
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XRevan86	> cupids checklist: similiar backgrounds	Dec 15 19:33
XRevan86	https://youtu.be/493pL_Vbtnc?t=20	Dec 15 19:34
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scientes	XRevan86, i just found out that in Spanish there is a euphamism for menstrating: "I have communism" or "I'm sailing with the communist flag"	Dec 15 19:34
XRevan86	scientes: A great message there for sure.	Dec 15 19:35
XRevan86	scientes: Weird %)	Dec 15 19:35
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18091633	Dec 15 19:36
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scientes	https://youtu.be/ZNpHqA9EKHI?t=357	Dec 15 19:38
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scientes	(its a woody allen film, nothing raunchy)	Dec 15 19:38
XRevan86	> but i still think there is something to the idea that the baby boomers are sociopaths, it's what capitalism does to people	Dec 15 19:43
XRevan86	Aren't we all under capitalism, including myself? %)	Dec 15 19:43
scientes	yeah....	Dec 15 19:43
scientes	i guess it is unknown why this country is so screwed up	Dec 15 19:43
XRevan86	scientes: If a nation has bigoted ideas, it is still not a sign of sociopathy	Dec 15 19:44
scientes	i found this yesterday, it quite progressive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGAqYNFQdZ4	Dec 15 19:46
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XRevan86	scientes: I've never been to the US, so I don't know %)	Dec 15 19:46
scientes	against racial and religious prejudice	Dec 15 19:46
XRevan86	but from what I see on the nets, even the most progressive Americans of all races love a witchhunt.	Dec 15 19:47
XRevan86	and witchhunts aren't exactly a humanistic thing	Dec 15 19:47
scientes	yeah that comes out of a sense of frustration	Dec 15 19:47
scientes	the more interesting voices are not like that	Dec 15 19:47
scientes	like Edward Snowden	Dec 15 19:48
XRevan86	scientes: Yet a frustration could've been channelled into something else	Dec 15 19:48
XRevan86	like fighting the system that screws them us	Dec 15 19:48
XRevan86	yet a lot of people instead hunt fellow citizens	Dec 15 19:48
scientes	I am glad this country still don't have the horrible hate laws that pervade Europe	Dec 15 19:49
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XRevan86	My hypothesis is that it is denial that all of Americans are powerless to change the state's direction.	Dec 15 19:49
scientes	I think that is correct.	Dec 15 19:49
scientes	When we actually have quite a bit of power, but it will require living with less resources, which few are willing to accept.	Dec 15 19:50
XRevan86	Thus they instead try to find the evil racist majority that democratically elects morons.	Dec 15 19:50
scientes	http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2018/01/shrinking-technosphere-reviewed.html	Dec 15 19:50
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scientes	Americans are amazingly not very interested in the outside world	Dec 15 19:51
scientes	or what the rest of the world thinks of them	Dec 15 19:51
scientes	<XRevan86> Thus they instead try to find the evil racist majority that democratically elects morons.	Dec 15 19:53
scientes	they want a scapegoat	Dec 15 19:53
scientes	And these is also this insanity of Trans people	Dec 15 19:55
XRevan86	They want to fix the problem. The wrong assumption is that morons get elected democratically.	Dec 15 19:55
scientes	basically, homosexuals became so acceptable, that they have to invent a whole new thing all in their heads so they could claim to be opressed	Dec 15 19:55
scientes	or something like that	Dec 15 19:56
XRevan86	scientes: I'm not going to delve there nor claim that I understand them.	Dec 15 19:56
scientes	yeah i don't understand them either	Dec 15 19:57
XRevan86	scientes: Basically, if they feel it works for them, let them have it. They should know better anyway.	Dec 15 19:57
scientes	and it certainly exists as a culture in Thailand	Dec 15 19:57
scientes	and I saw a little of it in San Francisco	Dec 15 19:57
XRevan86	that's the approach of tolerance – let people do their thing %)	Dec 15 19:58
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scientes	and Americans are way to creeped out about nudity and who uses which bathroom	Dec 15 19:59
scientes	as if they have nothing else to be worried about	Dec 15 19:59
scientes	like if you urinate in public in the US you can be labled as a "sex offender" along with rapists and child molestors	Dec 15 20:00
XRevan86	Maybe it's only imagination, hoomans are very good at convincing themselves stuff. But maybe not, hoomans are also pretty darn complex.	Dec 15 20:00
XRevan86	scientes: When I use a bathroom, I usually make myself clean :P	Dec 15 20:01
XRevan86	scientes: So creeped out even a word "toilet" is avoided?	Dec 15 20:01
scientes	XRevan86, few know that "toilet" is a euphamism	Dec 15 20:01
XRevan86	yes, a private place	Dec 15 20:02
XRevan86	there's also a make-up toilet	Dec 15 20:02
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18091444	Dec 15 20:02
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XRevan86	scientes: A euphemism "bathroom" has a problem also: I have separate toilet and bath rooms.	Dec 15 20:03
XRevan86	scientes: I guess there's a big theme of preferring form to meaning	Dec 15 20:05
XRevan86	How you're saying, what words you're using, instead of what you're saying	Dec 15 20:05
scientes	yeah, its just what people say	Dec 15 20:05
scientes	and of course I am a proud of my environment	Dec 15 20:06
scientes	*product	Dec 15 20:06
XRevan86	An English textbook about English took writing informal letters (and emails) very seriously. Who bloody cares how I write a darn email?	Dec 15 20:06
scientes	but yeah there is a marked decline in the quality of language	Dec 15 20:06
scientes	XRevan86, technical and business writing are common classes, and those are important for email	Dec 15 20:07
scientes	like when i read the TPP it was such horrible use of language https://wikileaks.org/tpp/	Dec 15 20:08
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scientes	you would think something so important would be better written	Dec 15 20:08
XRevan86	* informal letters	Dec 15 20:08
scientes	Yeah you should just learn the formal letter http://www.latextemplates.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/formal_letter_4.png	Dec 15 20:09
scientes	which is probably the same in russian?	Dec 15 20:09
scientes	except for the use of "Dear" and "Sincerely"	Dec 15 20:09
XRevan86	http://dezhur.com/uploads/ef0f30bb5f7ae1b66f7f4dc93f714c52.jpg something like that	Dec 15 20:11
scientes	I always use LyX for formal letters, as they come out looking SOOOOO good---way better than stuff people make with Word	Dec 15 20:12
XRevan86	https://burupo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Business-Letter_Structure_1.png	Dec 15 20:12
XRevan86	"Уважаемый" is literally "Respected"	Dec 15 20:13
scientes	ahhh the european date format! should be 2018-12-15 because that is always non-ambiguous	Dec 15 20:13
XRevan86	scientes: yeah	Dec 15 20:14
XRevan86	I like ISO dates for consistent order	Dec 15 20:14
XRevan86	descending	Dec 15 20:14
XRevan86	year, month, day, hour, minute	Dec 15 20:15
scientes	and now that russian orthodox has split from greece, maybe they might switch to gregorian calendar :)	Dec 15 20:15
scientes	or do you like having Christmas on Jan 6th	Dec 15 20:15
XRevan86	scientes: Nah, they're as conservative as it gets	Dec 15 20:15
XRevan86	scientes: It does serve a function :)	Dec 15 20:16
XRevan86	there are week long holidays post New Year	Dec 15 20:17
scientes	oh you celebrate from new years through christmas I C	Dec 15 20:17
XRevan86	so Christians have a reason to get completely drunk	Dec 15 20:17
scientes	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia	Dec 15 20:17
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scientes	I learned from Crash Course that Eastern Orthodox use to have Caesaropapism, or caesar elects pope, which obviously ended with the end of the Roman empire, but Putin has essentially returned to that	Dec 15 20:22
XRevan86	scientes: Also they don't see it as splitting from Greece, but as a temporary confusion from the Constantinopol side %).	Dec 15 20:23
scientes	yeah of course	Dec 15 20:23
scientes	but that is what how all religious splits are seen	Dec 15 20:23
XRevan86	scientes: That makes too much sense	Dec 15 20:23
scientes	I have been twice to a Russian Orthodox monestary	Dec 15 20:24
scientes	the practices are so much more rich that Catholic or Protestant	Dec 15 20:24
XRevan86	scientes: About Caesaropapism… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_the_Great#Religion	Dec 15 20:25
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scientes	but I think it would be cool if all christians could celebrate christmas and easter on the same days again (except some very fundamentalist ones like Jehovahs Witnesses that do not believe in Christmas)	Dec 15 20:25
XRevan86	scientes: I personally don't care in the slightest	Dec 15 20:26
scientes	hmm, but the Patriarch post is back	Dec 15 20:28
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917%E2%80%9318_Local_Council_of_the_Russian_Orthodox_Church	Dec 15 20:29
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XRevan86	Yes, 1917-1918	Dec 15 20:30
scientes	immediately after the october revolution	Dec 15 20:30
XRevan86	well, more like the february revolution	Dec 15 20:31
scientes	yeah i know very little about that history	Dec 15 20:31
XRevan86	They probably started thinking about this since there was a "temporary" absence of an emperor	Dec 15 20:32
XRevan86	scientes: The rule of thumb is that the february revolution happened in February and the october revolution – in October :P	Dec 15 20:35
scientes	o i c why does the october one get more credit?	Dec 15 20:35
XRevan86	February < August > October	Dec 15 20:35
XRevan86	* < October	Dec 15 20:35
XRevan86	scientes: It's the one that lasted	Dec 15 20:35
XRevan86	scientes: Also the february revolution was… odd.	Dec 15 20:36
XRevan86	so it's hard to make a narrative out of it	Dec 15 20:36
XRevan86	For instance, the government considered itself temporary, until an emperor comes to claim the throne.	Dec 15 20:37
XRevan86	They didn't decide that much whilst in power.	Dec 15 20:38
XRevan86	Its indecisiveness is considered the main reason of its undoing	Dec 15 20:39
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_power_(Russian_Revolution)	Dec 15 20:40
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scientes	i thought this was interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Homestead_Act	Dec 15 20:45
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scientes	do you know anyone taking the offer?	Dec 15 20:45
scientes	it is very little land	Dec 15 20:45
XRevan86	scientes: Let's just say, it's never that simple.	Dec 15 20:45
scientes	it is not easy to live in far east	Dec 15 20:46
XRevan86	scientes: on top of that :)	Dec 15 20:46
XRevan86	scientes: There are monopolists who don't mind taking farmers out of competition using nasty methods	Dec 15 20:48
scientes	you also have to get the food to market	Dec 15 20:48
XRevan86	like claiming that there are an outbreak, and now all your pigs are to be exterminated	Dec 15 20:48
scientes	but seriously, 1 hectre is hardly enough to grow enough for yourself	Dec 15 20:48
XRevan86	* there is an	Dec 15 20:48
scientes	<XRevan86> like claiming that there are an outbreak, and now all your pigs are to be exterminated	Dec 15 20:49
scientes	that happened in US regarding mad cow too	Dec 15 20:49
XRevan86	scientes: What else to do on a land with barely any infrastructure?	Dec 15 20:50
scientes	when the real problem is the way they slaughter the cows	Dec 15 20:50
scientes	The US homesteads were 160 acres (!)	Dec 15 20:51
scientes	65 hectres	Dec 15 20:51
XRevan86	The idea is a good one, but maybe in a different country.	Dec 15 20:52
scientes	the main historical problems were lack of transportation, over-production, debt for farm machinery, and deflation	Dec 15 20:52
scientes	thats why a major US political issue was going on a gold+silver standard instead of just gold	Dec 15 20:53
scientes	and also why Americans drank so much wiskey	Dec 15 20:53
scientes	and then also railroads which operated as their own governments	Dec 15 20:54
XRevan86	I've heard of a case when this law was exploited to privatise a municipal park as land for a mall in Vladivostok %).	Dec 15 20:55
scientes	oh geeze	Dec 15 20:55
XRevan86	now that's practical application	Dec 15 20:56
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scientes	see the checkered pattern of logging? https://goo.gl/maps/1whNtJc8TBQ2 that is because every other square mile was given to companies that built the railroads, which then became logging companies, which then became owners of suburbia and malls	Dec 15 20:57
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scientes	there is also asylum for south african farmers	Dec 15 20:58
scientes	but i couldn't figure out if they were giving them land or if they had to buy it	Dec 15 20:58
scientes	the information was contradictory	Dec 15 20:58
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/18112534	Dec 15 21:00
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MinceR	(audio) https://imgur.com/gallery/OwiTRJ9	Dec 15 21:22
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scientes	MinceR, nice	Dec 15 21:23
scientes	helium for a choir	Dec 15 21:23
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/TqDNDam.jpg	Dec 15 22:15
DaemonFC[m]	I got my glasses. I can see much better now.	Dec 15 22:51
DaemonFC[m]	That damned astigmatism is corrected.	Dec 15 22:51
MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/562589.jpg	Dec 15 23:07
DaemonFC[m]	Someone started writing a new ad blocker for GNOME Web that will use the Content Blocking feature of the Webkit engine.	Dec 15 23:38
DaemonFC[m]	The current ad blocker code is a mess.	Dec 15 23:38
DaemonFC[m]	It's a holdover from back when Web was called Epiphany, it used Gecko, and the adblocker was part of a collection of plug-ins.	Dec 15 23:38
DaemonFC[m]	Web has definitely seen worse days.	Dec 15 23:39
DaemonFC[m]	The transition from Gecko to Webkit was painful.	Dec 15 23:39
DaemonFC[m]	For a while, you could build it with either and there was an abstraction layer that held everything together.	Dec 15 23:39
XRevan86	It's not a good time to rant about Apple is it?	Dec 15 23:39
DaemonFC[m]	Eh....	Dec 15 23:40
DaemonFC[m]	Mozilla doesn't really care if Gecko is usable outside of Firefox anymore.	Dec 15 23:40
DaemonFC[m]	So it's not like there was a choice.	Dec 15 23:40
DaemonFC[m]	The rug was pulled out from underneath the Epiphany developers.	Dec 15 23:40
DaemonFC[m]	I feel that in a few years, Firefox will be a distant memory.	Dec 15 23:41
DaemonFC[m]	Literally a day after Microsoft announced Edge/Chromium, sites announced plans to drop support for Firefox.	Dec 15 23:41
XRevan86	Google doesn't really care if Blink is usable outside of Chromium	Dec 15 23:41
XRevan86	So Qt took the whole Chromium %)	Dec 15 23:41
DaemonFC[m]	https://www.schedulicity.com/	Dec 15 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Schedulicity Online Scheduling \| Book Appointments Online		Dec 15 23:41
DaemonFC[m]	"To continue providing you the best experience, we will no longer be supporting Schedulicity on Firefox or Internet Explorer starting in January 2019. We recommend using either Safari or Google Chrome for Schedulicity starting in the new year."	Dec 15 23:42
DaemonFC[m]	Internet Explorer, I understand.	Dec 15 23:42
XRevan86	Sounds like awesome experience	Dec 15 23:43
DaemonFC[m]	But Firefox? It supports more of the web platform than Webkit, and almost as much as Chrome.	Dec 15 23:43
XRevan86	"To continue providing you the best experience, we will check your OS from the user agent and only pass through Windows and macOS, and maybe iOS when we feel like it"	Dec 15 23:45
MinceR	chrome is the new internet explorer :>	Dec 15 23:47
XRevan86	"To continue providing you the best experience, we will no longer be supporting Schedulicity on Android – we bought the cheapest ZTE phone a human can legally get and our Website was a horrible experience there"	Dec 15 23:47
XRevan86	Or the honest version: "To continue providing you the best experience, we will no longer be supporting Schedulicity on Firefox, we couldn't fit it in our schedule"	Dec 15 23:48
DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: Probably have to do a ua spoof and that's it after they "stop" supporting Firefox.	Dec 15 23:49
XRevan86	Yeah, spoof your browser as Firefox to not forget :)	Dec 15 23:57

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