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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2018-07-24 | Feb 10 00:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Everything We Have Done Is Stupid - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2018-07-24 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Feb 10 00:01 | |
| cubexyz | I think it would just be "lsmod minix" yes? | Feb 10 00:10 |
| cubexyz | if you wanted the filesystem module | Feb 10 00:10 |
| cubexyz | there's also qnx4, fuse, cifs, ufs and a few other ones | Feb 10 00:13 |
| cubexyz | I needed to load fuse for sshfs one time | Feb 10 00:14 |
| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2018-07-25 | Feb 10 00:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dating A Coworker - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2018-07-25 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Feb 10 00:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120491 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dc717800-bfce-4123-a1a0-2afb890382fa] | Feb 10 01:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: NVIDIA's Jetson AGX Xavier Carmel Performance vs. Low-Power x86 Processors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120490 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a80eaf55-0157-440a-8798-55ab0d0daec4] | Feb 10 01:07 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft highlights new Windows release with free copy of State of Decay. | Feb 10 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 🤣 | Feb 10 01:24 |
| cubexyz | I don't understand this fascination with zombies | Feb 10 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows is in a state of decay and millions of PCs that run it are zombies. | Feb 10 01:28 |
| cubexyz | ha, yeah | Feb 10 01:28 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Parrot Security OS: Product Review http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120492 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b21df760-2272-4f89-8f7c-98e5668fb727] | Feb 10 01:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OpenSUSE Looking At Blacklisting Legacy & Less Secure File-Systems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120493 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1192fa07-2ee1-4e6e-be4c-0f376b607890] | Feb 10 01:48 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Session Sync - A nice session manager for Firefox Quantum http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120494 [https://pleroma.site/objects/271c329f-1921-42b7-b62b-8cff39e418fc] | Feb 10 01:51 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 8 Best Free Linux Webcam Tools (Updated 2019) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120495 [https://pleroma.site/objects/538f2a93-3846-4304-9886-49836b2f6ce4] | Feb 10 02:01 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The BIOS already has a more capable OS than Windows 10 S Mode. | Feb 10 02:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It never gets viruses or crashes and there's no ads. | Feb 10 02:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One line of code. | Feb 10 02:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Operating System not found.... | Feb 10 02:04 |
| justtesting | what do satellites run ? | Feb 10 02:11 |
| schestowitz | satellite stuff | Feb 10 02:13 |
| oiaohm | https://abopen.com/news/building-a-risc-v-pc/ this should be interesting. | Feb 10 02:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abopen.com | Building a RISC-V PC - AB Open | Feb 10 02:17 | |
| cubexyz | they use SCOS-2000 I think for some satellites | Feb 10 02:18 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodos_(operating_system) there are quite a few different satelite operating systems. | Feb 10 02:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Rodos (operating system) - Wikipedia | Feb 10 02:19 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://appuals.com/state-of-decay-made-free-to-play-for-a-limited-time-as-microsoft-tests-windows-10-build-18334/ | Feb 10 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appuals.com | State of Decay Made Free to Play For a Limited Time as Microsoft Tests Windows 10 Build 18334 | Feb 10 02:20 | |
| schestowitz | I thought you were joking | Feb 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft trolling itself? | Feb 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Windows is in a State of Decay | Feb 10 02:21 |
| cubexyz | there's also a game called "Dirty Tricks" available from the M$ store | Feb 10 02:21 |
| cubexyz | sorry, short stories I should say | Feb 10 02:22 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: this is what you call anti bad PR. Make it so people could mix up bad PR for someone talking about a game. | Feb 10 02:22 |
| cubexyz | if you review my file on M$ dirty tricks you'll see they even predate the existence microsoft... | Feb 10 02:25 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A promise for the best until OpenMandriva does better: OMLx 4.0 Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120496 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ed782dee-1f23-46cf-8ec4-29a904b97b46] | Feb 10 02:25 | |
| cubexyz | using PDP-11 basic-plus as a starting point for microsoft basic | Feb 10 02:25 |
| cubexyz | the old trick: "what's ours is ours and what's yours is ours" | Feb 10 02:26 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtoshttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120497 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ba92eb4f-8706-4d37-9e1e-78e3e9df4049] | Feb 10 02:28 | |
| MinceR | the industry is in a State of Decay | Feb 10 02:29 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Chromebooks and Chrome http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120498 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9af67e2e-0cac-4ff8-a9d1-6412f53435fe] | Feb 10 02:30 | |
| cubexyz | you want the earliest reference: march 1969... Paul Allen goes over to the U of Washington and uses the Xerox computer, pretending to be a student | Feb 10 02:32 |
| cubexyz | yes, Xerox acquired Scientific Data Systems... they renamed it to Xerox Data Systems | Feb 10 02:35 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Paladins, FOSDEM 2019 Talks and Vigil: The Longest Night http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120499 [https://pleroma.site/objects/31e0af36-11f8-4d12-bff5-ed4dea444ff9] | Feb 10 02:39 | |
| cubexyz | Xerox could have been Microsoft... they had everything... they invented ethernet, and the mouse, they had several OSes, funny how it turned out | Feb 10 02:40 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: After more than 10 years in development #Wayland still hasn’t replaced X.org http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120500 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5d13f051-c1b1-4b1c-bb17-1b49727a229e] | Feb 10 02:44 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Webview and Lorca, Python, C++, Anaconda, PyPy, GTK/Rust http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120501 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4456d3b6-1a5e-4845-a09d-e64e55fc48c4] | Feb 10 02:50 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE in Belgium (FOSDEM 2019) and Málaga (Spain) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120502 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6b15de86-c024-4caa-9881-f3cc44bc3159] | Feb 10 02:52 | |
| MinceR | xerox was too productive/creative to be microsoft | Feb 10 02:55 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 5 Linux Apps I’m Excited About http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120503 [https://pleroma.site/objects/48abb769-51a7-4f0b-8ad8-834a6e38bf77] | Feb 10 02:59 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Kali Linux, More FUD, Australian Incident and Debian LTS Work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120504 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8f398901-3ef5-481f-93be-6fc1dafbf949] | Feb 10 03:44 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Come and Join #TuxMachines in #Pleroma , Part of the #Fediverse http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120505 [https://pleroma.site/objects/46b64f2d-7dc7-403d-9451-250779dce298] | Feb 10 04:11 | |
| schestowitz | kaniini: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120505 | Feb 10 04:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Come and Join Tux Machines in Pleroma, Part of the Fediverse | Tux Machines | Feb 10 04:11 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120506 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4ccea861-55cf-410e-8e88-e97e57f39a46] | Feb 10 04:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 9/2/2019: Linux 4.4.174 and GTK+ No More (Now Just GTK) http://techrights.org/2019/02/09/gtkplus-no-more/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/34aa5d07-0683-4bb6-be83-2d7a8b05b976] | Feb 10 05:00 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Jim Zemlin's PAC Keeps Raising Money From Microsoft http://techrights.org/2019/02/10/lf-raising-money-from-microsoft/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/ac0b6d78-14c0-43fd-afe8-e636bf6a4775] | Feb 10 05:38 | |
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| kaniini | jesus those mastodon folks will jump to explain gargron fuckery quickly | Feb 10 08:49 |
| kaniini | even when other people on the "mastodon core development team" (whatever that means, lets be real it is just Gargron calling the shots) confirm that mastodon.social violates AGPL | Feb 10 08:50 |
| kaniini | and even explained why they did so | Feb 10 08:50 |
| kaniini | hahah | Feb 10 08:50 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120507 [https://pleroma.site/objects/49722521-de6a-44ae-9902-fd2d4015fbe7] | Feb 10 08:50 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices: RISC-V and Raspberry Pi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120510 [https://pleroma.site/objects/76ed4472-5c9a-4e82-a6bc-bc479bcbe757] | Feb 10 09:15 | |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: a friend sent me a link related to this yesterday | Feb 10 10:04 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: not sure what to make of it yet, but a scandal only the devs seem to mind, nor ordinary users | Feb 10 10:05 |
| schestowitz | midday maintenance | Feb 10 10:16 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #midday maintenance today at #tuxmachinesTo give folks a headsup, the cache table of Gallery (screenshots) at Tux Machines needs repairing. This takes minutes, unlike the #drupal DB (quick), so I'll take the site offline for a few minutes around midday tod... [https://pleroma.site/objects/97000cc0-3f8a-4c3f-b31e-086bec737a7c] | Feb 10 10:17 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mobile Interfaces, Internet, Devices and UX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120513 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e3b147a3-8a0e-4d82-91bd-f5c26bcdf6aa] | Feb 10 11:21 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wine and Games Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120515 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fe8d50a3-8bde-41be-9fa1-7135446e44da] | Feb 10 12:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: NVIDIA Open-Sources Hyper-Realistic Face Generator StyleGAN http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120516 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a2291478-fde3-4b14-846d-cf51b9759d9c] | Feb 10 12:28 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Sees Driver Finally For Lighting Up The LEDs With Whiskey Cove PMIC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120517 [https://pleroma.site/objects/62c42a2b-e359-48b2-b6e0-dce3d24b833b] | Feb 10 12:32 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Server/Linux Foundation: Sleepy Sysadmins, Academy Software Foundation, and Cloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120519 #zemlinPAC [https://pleroma.site/objects/f435ce4f-f5cc-4d64-8ee1-ede148d98d5a] | Feb 10 13:25 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Might Finally See Mainline Support For The Current Apple MacBook Keyboard/Touchpad http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120520 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8e8ed53b-ded1-45f7-9c8a-319924f40b4a] | Feb 10 13:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Rust Vulkan Gfx-rs Portability Initiative Reaches New Milestone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120521 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c680fa98-df8d-4c2b-9136-8ccfdedc9ccd] | Feb 10 13:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable version Chrome OS 72 arrives: Here’s what you need to know http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120522 [https://pleroma.site/objects/55d2abcb-1da4-40b8-8368-8e2e79644928] | Feb 10 13:55 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Canonical Apologizes for Boot Failure in #Ubuntu 18.10 & 18.04, Fix Available Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120524 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9744c2db-6f76-4537-b926-229641964cc3] | Feb 10 15:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 10 Best Free Linux Synthesizers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120525 [https://pleroma.site/objects/012cf5f9-ddb0-4ac6-bafc-2ca10b2a627c] | Feb 10 15:58 | |
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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2018-07-27 | Feb 10 22:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Military Project - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2018-07-27 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Feb 10 22:00 | |
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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2018-07-28 | Feb 10 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Haircut On Company Times - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2018-07-28 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Feb 10 22:13 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/xrnOcT0 | Feb 10 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Smile for the camera - Album on Imgur | Feb 10 22:34 | |
| XRevan86 | https://dilbert.com/strip/1990-02-14 | Feb 11 00:28 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Running The RadeonSI NIR Back-End With Mesa 19.1 Git http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120528 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e870aa54-26a5-4f5b-87fa-02083ee89290] | Feb 11 01:15 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hear the foxes outside. | Feb 11 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a couple that live right next to the house. | Feb 11 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | they\re quite harmless | Feb 11 01:43 |
| schestowitz | except to birds and bunnies | Feb 11 01:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nobody got time for low res Cats part 9 - Album on Imgur | Feb 11 07:02 | |
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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2018-08-01 | Feb 11 07:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Robot Learns Human Behavior - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2018-08-01 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Feb 11 07:38 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mildly amusing! - Album on Imgur | Feb 11 08:16 | |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1094354584019947520?s=19 | Feb 11 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pattonoswalt: Scientist (hopping into time machine in 1939): See ya, suckers! I’m off to 2019, where no one is arguing about Hitl… https://t.co/DpV565qejh | Feb 11 20:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pattonoswalt: Scientist (hopping into time machine in 1939): See ya, suckers! I’m off to 2019, where no one is arguing about Hitl… https://t.co/DpV565qejh | Feb 11 20:54 | |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/dlqqbF7.jpg | Feb 11 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Latest WebkitGTK+ includes a fix for one of the issues I found. | Feb 11 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was apparently something it shouldn't have been doing anyway that caused major issues on Iris 540 graphics. | Feb 11 21:31 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/78ouKvm http://seoi.net/penint/ | Feb 11 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The AI on this website will correct anything you're trying to draw and turn it into what you're actually drawing - Album on Imgur | Feb 11 21:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-seoi.net | Penint | Feb 11 21:31 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The unfortunate part about GNOME Web (the browser part) is that users don't get major updates apart from GNOME. | Feb 11 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it means every 6 months, or longer if you use an LTS distribution. | Feb 11 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One would think that this would make it very hard to get QA done on the development version. | Feb 11 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1665931 | Feb 11 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | 1665931 – systemd-journald.service: crazy memory usage (24.5 GB VIRT, 170 MB RES) RuntimeMaxUse=10M | Feb 11 21:37 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: ^ | Feb 11 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | systemd-memoryhogd | Feb 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | all of cancerd is bloated | Feb 11 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Insane memory usage of journald. | Feb 11 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There have been a lot of things like this. | Feb 11 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cherry picking hundreds of patches and backporting them is necessary because they don't do point releases upstream. | Feb 11 21:39 |
| MinceR | none of that is necessary | Feb 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | getting rid of cancerd is what's necessary | Feb 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | though there's something of a flavor to ratcrap failing to make releases out of their own shit :) | Feb 11 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are release versions, but then there's no minor update branch, it just goes to the next major release. | Feb 11 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And distributions who don't want to pull in the next major release have to go cherry picking security and bug updates out of the master branch. | Feb 11 21:54 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ooXW7L8.gifv | Feb 11 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Feb 11 21:54 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | And trying to backport them to whatever they shipped. | Feb 11 21:54 |
| MinceR | or they could just give up | Feb 11 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: There was a woman at the hardware store offering $50 gift cards for changing your electric company. | Feb 11 22:03 |
| MinceR | can you change it back and forth for $100? | Feb 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She was kind of shocked when I said, "I know how this works. You get me in on a low rate and then after the promo period ends, you start dialing up my cost per kilowatt hour a little bit each month hoping I won't notice.". | Feb 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Feb 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I probably could have. | Feb 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I dunno. It wasn't worth the $50 for me to get in and find out later. | Feb 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They figure that people will switch from ComEd for a $50 Menards card and then forget about it later. | Feb 11 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they make a lot more than $50 off you by giving you the same electricity ComEd does at a higher price until you cancel. | Feb 11 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people will forget they ever switched and just keep paying their bill with the NRG logo on it and the higher price. | Feb 11 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ComEd doesn't care who sells you the electricity because they bill you for delivering it no matter what. | Feb 11 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the other electric companies buy energy at wholesale and then sell it into ComEd's lines to you. | Feb 11 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The funny part is you can buy electricity wholesale from ComEd if you want to and they'll just charge a slightly higher delivery fee. | Feb 11 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then you just pay what the electricity itself cost them by the hour. | Feb 11 22:11 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/QKX2pyf.jpg | Feb 11 22:38 |
| MinceR | https://it.slashdot.org/story/19/02/11/2128216/doomsday-docker-security-hole-uncovered | Feb 11 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-it.slashdot.org | Doomsday Docker Security Hole Uncovered - Slashdot | Feb 11 22:55 | |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: viera has gone offline | Feb 12 00:37 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: I'm following both ST: Discovery and The Orville | Feb 12 01:12 |
| kaniini | schestowitz: ok will restart it | Feb 12 01:13 |
| schestowitz | excellent,. cheers! | Feb 12 01:13 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: I've read the discussions, and it weirds me out. | Feb 12 01:13 |
| kaniini | XRevan86: yeah, isnt it weird how the alt-righters push the orville and shit on STD? | Feb 12 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Yes, I wouldn't've guessed if I didn't see it happen | Feb 12 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: I'm usually fine at noticing token tributes to the contemporary tendencies in the US society | Feb 12 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: I've failed to notice them in Discovery %) | Feb 12 01:16 |
| kaniini | discovery isn't what the alt-right paints it as | Feb 12 01:16 |
| kaniini | they are just mad because it follows a non-white lead character who may or may not also be LGBT-adjacent | Feb 12 01:17 |
| kaniini | it is the biggest who gives a fuck ever | Feb 12 01:17 |
| kaniini | although the spore drive shit is stupid | Feb 12 01:17 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Why would they care about ST then… | Feb 12 01:17 |
| kaniini | dunno, ask them | Feb 12 01:18 |
| kaniini | you'd think they would just not watch it | Feb 12 01:18 |
| XRevan86 | ST:TNG is the most blatantly leftie American series I've seen (I love it) | Feb 12 01:18 |
| kaniini | the orville is just | Feb 12 01:18 |
| kaniini | i don't know | Feb 12 01:18 |
| kaniini | i think it is kind of crap | Feb 12 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: The humour is generally bad in The Orville | Feb 12 01:19 |
| kaniini | yeah | Feb 12 01:19 |
| kaniini | i don't know | Feb 12 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: But it has charm | Feb 12 01:19 |
| kaniini | i cant tell if they are trying to be serious or if its a comedy | Feb 12 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: There are sure lots of problems with Discovery | Feb 12 01:20 |
| XRevan86 | I feel like it is trying to confuse me | Feb 12 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | It's not as bad as the Abrams movies though | Feb 12 01:21 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: looks like a netsplit did it. Also took one bot of mine offline | Feb 12 01:22 |
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| XRevan86 | kaniini: And their approach to religion is almost a 180° to TNG | Feb 12 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Now Discovery sure takes itself seriously | Feb 12 01:23 |
| XRevan86 | But the plots are good and entertaining | Feb 12 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently Spock is quite a superstitious person. Thanks, Discovery %). | Feb 12 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | And *very* sensitive too | Feb 12 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | My exposure to Spock is quite limited, but this is not exactly in alignment with my headcanon :) | Feb 12 01:28 |
| XRevan86 | > i cant tell if they are trying to be serious or if its a comedy | Feb 12 01:28 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: It really is both. | Feb 12 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: The season 2 is better with jokes, by the way. | Feb 12 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe I'm better at tolerating the absurd sitcomish humour, because I went through Red Dwarf | Feb 12 01:32 |
| cubexyz | star trek discovery breaks continuity rather severely | Feb 12 01:48 |
| cubexyz | holographic projections and spore drive in particular... | Feb 12 01:48 |
| cubexyz | don't understand why they went with the prequel idea | Feb 12 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Really I find Orville more realistic for how you would expect starship life to go down. | Feb 12 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Its not like cruse ships on earth have everyone getting along all the time. | Feb 12 01:56 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, it's quasi-military though | Feb 12 01:57 |
| cubexyz | you would expect a certain level of discipline | Feb 12 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Spore drives are starting to fail, so apparently the continuity is preserved by it being abandoned | Feb 12 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Life on Discovery is practically drama 24/7 :) | Feb 12 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | There isn't much time to breathe. One should go with the episode fully prepared, because it requires full attention. | Feb 12 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | That's probably the biggest difference with TNG that the Orville doesn't share | Feb 12 02:02 |
| cubexyz | The Orville is a comedy show | Feb 12 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | One can fall asleep and then instantly wake up every other second and not miss a thing in TNG | Feb 12 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Yes, it's intended as parody | Feb 12 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | As I understand it, the premise is "what if every one of the crew were undisciplined and humanly petty" | Feb 12 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | No noblemen | Feb 12 02:05 |
| cubexyz | that's not what star trek was all about | Feb 12 02:06 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I am Australian so maybe I see it a little different. Certain level of discipline. Riding horse naked just because they could is something that is recorded as australian solders being done for while on duty. | Feb 12 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I don't think either series holds up to up. | Feb 12 02:06 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: level of military discipline can go completely out the window when you add in bordem. | Feb 12 02:07 |
| oiaohm | boredom | Feb 12 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | Discovery is Star Trek but dark and dramatic, Orville is Star Trek but silly and for laughs | Feb 12 02:07 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P02132.001 Yes real photos of different levels of Australian solider insanity exist. | Feb 12 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.awm.gov.au | Suez Canal, Egypt. 1916-03. Naked soldiers riding on the back of their horses while the horses ... | The Australian War Memorial | Feb 12 02:09 | |
| XRevan86 | Oh, and yes, in The Orville boredom is a definite and established factor :) | Feb 12 02:09 |
| cubexyz | I think Star Trek Enterprise also had a sort-of holodeck which was even worse really | Feb 12 02:09 |
| cubexyz | they aren't even trying to maintain continuity | Feb 12 02:09 |
| cubexyz | ok, maybe they are trying.... but only a little | Feb 12 02:10 |
| oiaohm | Orville directly in the story talked about being bored out of their brains. | Feb 12 02:10 |
| XRevan86 | Holodeck… it is freaky how all-powerful it is in TNG | Feb 12 02:11 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, if you had FTL warp drive, I don't think you'd be bored | Feb 12 02:11 |
| oiaohm | Of course that leads to military displine as expected leaving stage left to be replaced by havic. | Feb 12 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | If it malfunctions, there's literally no escape | Feb 12 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | As if there isn't a physical door there | Feb 12 02:11 |
| cubexyz | take the warp drive out of star trek, then yes it would be very boring | Feb 12 02:11 |
| oiaohm | Even with FTL you still have to spend days/months at a time in warp that star trek straight up skips over. | Feb 12 02:12 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, when Star Trek TNG first came out I was very critical of the holodeck | Feb 12 02:12 |
| cubexyz | holodeck is just too implausible | Feb 12 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I'm still unsure what is the most implausible – the transporter or the holodeck | Feb 12 02:13 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I don't think they really got the distances/times right | Feb 12 02:13 |
| cubexyz | or even if they used real stars | Feb 12 02:13 |
| XRevan86 | The level of implausibility of the holodeck is such that I would've been more willing to accept the TARDIS explanation for it rather than the one they sell. | Feb 12 02:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: startrek mentions star dates and time if you follow those number you will pick up they are skipping forwards days/months/years at a time in the story across FTL jumps. | Feb 12 02:14 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, well yeah what happens if two people run in opposite directions in the holodeck? :) | Feb 12 02:14 |
| cubexyz | do you hit a wall? | Feb 12 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: And they do | Feb 12 02:15 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: and they don't say what happens in that middle time of mega boredom. | Feb 12 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's bigger on the inside :D | Feb 12 02:16 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: transporter in theory is possible but there is no way you would want it to work. | Feb 12 02:16 |
| cubexyz | ok, "which star/how much time?" is the question | Feb 12 02:16 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: different books give how it relates to earth time. | Feb 12 02:16 |
| cubexyz | in TOS warp N was tN^3 of the speed of light | Feb 12 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It's rather not the basic idea but how they use it to explain all sorts of things | Feb 12 02:17 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so yes those figures of days/months/years in a warp with nothing todo bar be in warp or using the holideck. | Feb 12 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: The episode Rascals, that I ranted about a few days ago, ruined it for me completely. | Feb 12 02:17 |
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| cubexyz | the omnipotent transporter can do anything :) | Feb 12 02:17 |
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| cubexyz | old? sick? too young? the transporter can fix it! | Feb 12 02:18 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: really you can think of a transporter as a nightmare 3d printer. | Feb 12 02:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But we're still not gonna | Feb 12 02:18 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: the episodes where chars have been duplicated because of using the transporter more than shows that. | Feb 12 02:18 |
| XRevan86 | Because reasons | Feb 12 02:19 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: using a transporter you basically die and rebuild on the other side. | Feb 12 02:19 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: and hopefully only once. | Feb 12 02:19 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: They technobabble it as "consciousness transfer" | Feb 12 02:19 |
| XRevan86 | to workaround death | Feb 12 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly we are finding you can program memorys with protenes. | Feb 12 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | It's not a copy, it's transfer | Feb 12 02:20 |
| cubexyz | how about memory upload to the computer? Could be very useful | Feb 12 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | They don't hold up on that though | Feb 12 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | Possibly because it's so dumb, they forget about it themselves | Feb 12 02:21 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180514151920.htm << this means consciousess transfer is in theory possible. | Feb 12 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biologists 'transfer' a memory through RNA injection: Research in marine snails could lead to new treatments to restore memories and alter traumatic ones -- ScienceDaily | Feb 12 02:21 | |
| oiaohm | Not like I would want to be doing it. | Feb 12 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: This is not that consciousness all about though | Feb 12 02:22 |
| XRevan86 | by any definition | Feb 12 02:22 |
| oiaohm | If consciousness transfer is copy the brain state that in theory is possible. | Feb 12 02:22 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Yes, except that it's a copy :) | Feb 12 02:23 |
| cubexyz | the transporter is a copier... otherwise good kirk/ evil kirk wouldn't be possible | Feb 12 02:23 |
| cubexyz | in the context of the show at least | Feb 12 02:23 |
| oiaohm | The transporter in startrek is a copier or the clones from the transporter could have never happened. | Feb 12 02:23 |
| cubexyz | you have the additional issue of conservation of mass... | Feb 12 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | I guess they use that terminology to hide the implications | Feb 12 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I guess that's resolved by mass=energy | Feb 12 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | Just waste a bit more energy and there you have it | Feb 12 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | *matter=energy | Feb 12 02:25 |
| cubexyz | ok, sure... if I buy warp drive, I can buy that :) | Feb 12 02:25 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: its like the words execution, murder, Euthanasia they are all killing. | Feb 12 02:25 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: transporter sounds a lot nicer than instant execution followed by forming at the other end. | Feb 12 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Rascals told me it's not a copier, but a flimsy reconstructor | Feb 12 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | Except that it preserves stuff like scars | Feb 12 02:27 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I'd love to hear the in-universe explanation for the transporter making everyone younger | Feb 12 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Even to be a reconstructor it has to deconstructed you first. | Feb 12 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Basically transporter is kill then rebuild. | Feb 12 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | This makes no sense no matter how hard I try | Feb 12 02:27 |
| cubexyz | :) | Feb 12 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Transporter in theory is possible but you would have to be basically insane to use it. | Feb 12 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: or peer-pressured | Feb 12 02:28 |
| oiaohm | Of course at our tech level we car barely 3d print atoms. | Feb 12 02:28 |
| oiaohm | So its still a centry or so off before we could have a transporter for real. | Feb 12 02:29 |
| XRevan86 | It's not like anyone can realistically tell the difference | Feb 12 02:29 |
| oiaohm | Basically the replicator and the transporter in startrek are basically the relations of the same tech. | Feb 12 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | From the perspective of the person on the other end of the transporter | Feb 12 02:30 |
| oiaohm | Also the other thing that did not make sense you have a transporter cannot you buffer the person repair the damage so making a instant illness cure. | Feb 12 02:30 |
| oiaohm | Also abused transporter could basically equal immortal. | Feb 12 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It can do a lot of things no one is doing. | Feb 12 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Think queen of borg. | Feb 12 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | Like reshaping the body completely | Feb 12 02:32 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I can save the idea maybe | Feb 12 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe the Federation is afraid of the crew turning itself into furries | Feb 12 02:32 |
| cubexyz | you can be transformed into an earlier state by the transporter, but you're memory reverts to the state of the previous transport | Feb 12 02:32 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yep coming out the transporter shaped like a engine part because the data got mixed up. | Feb 12 02:33 |
| cubexyz | s/you're/your/ | Feb 12 02:33 |
| oiaohm | Transporters as per startrek is not a tech I want. | Feb 12 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Except that nothing stops from combining the two. | Feb 12 02:33 |
| oiaohm | Replicator part of the tech could be useful. | Feb 12 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It's capitalism disruptive | Feb 12 02:34 |
| cubexyz | in ST:Enterprise Archer doesn't like using the transporter on living beings, which is realistic | Feb 12 02:34 |
| cubexyz | well, somewhat more realistic at least | Feb 12 02:35 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: In the end the convenience with no visible side effects wins | Feb 12 02:35 |
| oiaohm | Yes and Archer also describes the tech as killing and being cloned as well. | Feb 12 02:35 |
| XRevan86 | that's realistic :) | Feb 12 02:35 |
| XRevan86 | No one complained about being dead after the transporter | Feb 12 02:36 |
| XRevan86 | One functioning human asset on one end, one functioning human asset on the other => the transfer is successful | Feb 12 02:37 |
| oiaohm | Different epsoides it comes one functioning human assets in 2 functioning human assets out then you find out star feet has stacks of rules to deal with that because its not a one off. | Feb 12 02:38 |
| XRevan86 | If the transporter were to appear IRL like that, we *will* all use it | Feb 12 02:38 |
| oiaohm | You have a girl/wife you like you get doubled then what. | Feb 12 02:39 |
| XRevan86 | Despite the likelihood that it kills in the process | Feb 12 02:39 |
| cubexyz | except... we wouldn't _all_ use it, just like some people don't use cell phones :) | Feb 12 02:39 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Except that it gives huge advantages to those who use it | Feb 12 02:39 |
| XRevan86 | That's even harder to ignore than cell phones | Feb 12 02:40 |
| oiaohm | holodeck really I would think the method in sword art with helmet interfacing with brain is more likely. There have been attempts to build full room holodecks. | Feb 12 02:40 |
| oiaohm | I do like how they found with the right visual feeds in your brain they could cause you to walk around in circles. | Feb 12 02:40 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, just image the first human user of a transporter | Feb 12 02:41 |
| XRevan86 | One your employee can get to the other country in a second, the other in 10 hours | Feb 12 02:41 |
| XRevan86 | Whom will you send? | Feb 12 02:41 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: you have to think evil here. | Feb 12 02:41 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: The worst kind of evil – the budget. | Feb 12 02:42 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: you send the one won can get then in a second but you make it seam like if fails and they stay your end. | Feb 12 02:42 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: so you don't have to pay the one that went to the other end because you just execute them on the way back. | Feb 12 02:42 |
| oiaohm | Instant clone of transportors has so much abuse factor. | Feb 12 02:43 |
| XRevan86 | Let's remove the ways to exploit the transporter for a moment :) | Feb 12 02:43 |
| XRevan86 | It hinders the moral dilemma | Feb 12 02:43 |
| cubexyz | yes, if it was 100% safe I would probably use it | Feb 12 02:43 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Indeed, even if it's your undoing in the most literal sense. | Feb 12 02:44 |
| oiaohm | Personally I would be one of the people unlikely to ever use a transporter. | Feb 12 02:44 |
| XRevan86 | The fun part is that from the perspective of the society the perfect transporter has no downsides. | Feb 12 02:45 |
| XRevan86 | So it's likely to be incorporated into it regardless of whether it's a slaughterhouse or not. | Feb 12 02:46 |
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| oiaohm | https://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/16870-nvidia-holodeck-virtual-reality there is a real form of holodeck | Feb 12 02:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.outerplaces.com | Nvidia Has Built a Real-Life Virtual Reality Holodeck | Feb 12 02:46 | |
| oiaohm | But it does not have the physical contact bits. | Feb 12 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Yes you can basically think you have walked/run unlimited distance in any direction when in fact you have been going around in forms of circles. | Feb 12 02:47 |
| XRevan86 | When one's feet are on the ground, it's hard to reliably fool one | Feb 12 02:49 |
| oiaohm | holodeck is not 100 percent impossible ether current forms are very safe. | Feb 12 02:49 |
| oiaohm | startrek form of holodeck is quite dangerous. | Feb 12 02:50 |
| oiaohm | As the show has displayed with the many safety feature failures | Feb 12 02:50 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Yes, and it's hard to believe, considering that they're still in a normal room with a door | Feb 12 02:51 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe they should install a knob. | Feb 12 02:51 |
| cubexyz | in TNG you say "Arch" to get the holodeck controls | Feb 12 02:51 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: they have used virtual cliff and other things in current day holodecks and monotor real responses in human. | Feb 12 02:52 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: you know the story that a human cannot walk straight when blind folded. | Feb 12 02:52 |
| oiaohm | That is the key tech to a holodeck. | Feb 12 02:52 |
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| oiaohm | So you might be in a normal room but in reality you have absolutely no clue where in the room you are while the projection remains in place. | Feb 12 02:53 |
| oiaohm | So remobable hement is what makes a holodeck safe. | Feb 12 02:53 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: What stops me from hitting a wall anyway | Feb 12 02:53 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: the reality is you and the software. | Feb 12 02:54 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: exploiting how your body works out how it should move by input. | Feb 12 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Will result in you walking/moving away from the walls and never finding them. | Feb 12 02:54 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: What if I close my eyes and move forward indeed. It's not like I'll form a perfect circle. | Feb 12 02:55 |
| oiaohm | Current day holodecks already have human hit wall solved. | Feb 12 02:55 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: you can control that circile with audio feeds. | Feb 12 02:55 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: visual and audio and you can walk a person where ever you want. | Feb 12 02:55 |
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| oiaohm | Door handle in a holodeck is pointless. | Feb 12 02:56 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Hard to believe this can be foolproof | Feb 12 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem is not having human walk into walls it have humans not run into other humans in the holodeck. | Feb 12 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Feb 12 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem humans running into other humans in the holodeck. | Feb 12 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Having humans avoid the walls is simple. | Feb 12 02:57 |
| XRevan86 | or is it "on the holodeck"? (: | Feb 12 02:57 |
| oiaohm | This is the real world working holodecks I am talking about. | Feb 12 02:58 |
| oiaohm | Not the startrek ones. | Feb 12 02:58 |
| oiaohm | The real world holodecks 1 or 2 people to 20x20 meter area. | Feb 12 02:58 |
| oiaohm | You get more than that collisions come major problem. | Feb 12 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | Also: The Orville has holodecks, but not the transporter. | Feb 12 02:59 |
| oiaohm | Before we found the human ear weakness and vision weakness to perception and movement it was thought that holodecks were just a impossible dream. | Feb 12 03:01 |
| oiaohm | https://newatlas.com/eye-tracking-vr-infinite-walking/54824/ this is the vision weakness. | Feb 12 03:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newatlas.com | Eye-tracking tech tricks VR players into infinite walking – in circles | Feb 12 03:02 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | How do you avoid the walls? | Feb 12 03:03 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Still doesn't make it impossible to be trapped on the holodeck %). | Feb 12 03:03 |
| oiaohm | say if they're getting close to a real-world wall – the system can invoke saccadic suppression by creating points of contrast at the edge of the player's field of view, which they'll instinctively look towards. << Natural human instincts. | Feb 12 03:04 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Plug the sensory inputs and walk in some direction, and a wall will have no choice but to present itself. | Feb 12 03:04 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: no you will turn with the right sensory inputs and totally not be aware of it because you sub mind turned you. | Feb 12 03:04 |
| XRevan86 | Then walk by the wall to the door | Feb 12 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Basically you will be walking in circile in the room and know no difference. | Feb 12 03:05 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: With eyes closed and ears covered? | Feb 12 03:05 |
| XRevan86 | Through the nose? | Feb 12 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Nose has not been tried yet. | Feb 12 03:06 |
| oiaohm | eyes and ears can both turn you. | Feb 12 03:06 |
| XRevan86 | Nose can be plugged too | Feb 12 03:06 |
| oiaohm | Without you knowing. | Feb 12 03:06 |
| oiaohm | Also in theory you could use microwave signal to the ears to get the turn as well. | Feb 12 03:06 |
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| XRevan86 | I'm trying to prove that the plot idea of ST that the characters *have to* continue with the programme even if trapped is not plausible. | Feb 12 03:07 |
| oiaohm | Covering your eyes and ears against advanced step would not stop you from walking around in circle that you would in fact have no control over. | Feb 12 03:08 |
| oiaohm | step/setup | Feb 12 03:08 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: How about lifting the control through running like crazy | Feb 12 03:08 |
| XRevan86 | Can't fool oneself when can't fool oneself | Feb 12 03:08 |
| oiaohm | Running like crazy you would just be running like crazy around in a circile | Feb 12 03:09 |
| oiaohm | You might think you are turning left and right but you are not. | Feb 12 03:09 |
| XRevan86 | How to instinctively turn if you have no control over where you're going in the first place | Feb 12 03:09 |
| oiaohm | what is controlling you moving in a circle is the part of the brain in charge of all the complex motor control to keep you standing up. | Feb 12 03:10 |
| XRevan86 | One can further randomise and confuse oneself by jumping | Feb 12 03:10 |
| XRevan86 | Standing up is also not mandatory | Feb 12 03:11 |
| oiaohm | Jumping/running/walking none of these will beat it. | Feb 12 03:11 |
| oiaohm | Crawling would be able your only chance to defeat a holodeck against the human brains built in features. | Feb 12 03:12 |
| oiaohm | To be correct rolling. | Feb 12 03:12 |
| XRevan86 | That works :) | Feb 12 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Take your eyes and inner ear out the problem. | Feb 12 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Log rolling yourself you are messing up inner ear and eyes anyhow. | Feb 12 03:13 |
| oiaohm | So outside interference effects are going to be limited by that. | Feb 12 03:14 |
| oiaohm | Of course that does not mean you will get to wall you might be baffing guts up due to motion sickness before you get to the wall. | Feb 12 03:14 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: basically a fully functional holodeck is one hell of a man trap. | Feb 12 03:15 |
| oiaohm | Star trek holo decks could but a sold fake wall over the door. | Feb 12 03:16 |
| oiaohm | So basically the Star trek ones you are total screwed. Real ones today you are mostly screwed there are very limited excape plans without removing the helment that can work. | Feb 12 03:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Drone Racing League is stunning. | Feb 12 07:50 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelol.com/lol/577891 | Feb 12 07:59 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/577866.jpg | Feb 12 08:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BuckInternet/status/1089244926527717376 | Feb 12 08:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BuckInternet: Tux Machines shares a lot of news on Linux and opensource software. https://t.co/9qvYW5QW1O @tuxmachines #linux… https://t.co/KXwPM483ue | Feb 12 08:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> TuxMachines.org | Tux Machines | Do you waddle the waddle? | Feb 12 08:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BuckInternet: Tux Machines shares a lot of news on Linux and opensource software. https://t.co/9qvYW5QW1O @tuxmachines #linux… https://t.co/KXwPM483ue | Feb 12 08:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RKBDI/status/1085445381809471488 | Feb 12 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RKBDI: @tuxmachines this is most idiotic thing i have read in my whole life | Feb 12 08:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RKBDI/status/1085445381809471488 | Feb 12 08:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/saptech/status/1085592022403174406 | Feb 12 08:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@saptech: @RKBDI @tuxmachines Why is it idiotic? | Feb 12 08:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/saptech/status/1085592022403174406 | Feb 12 08:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hud_miranda/status/1084884075289161730] | Feb 12 08:26 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ftnvBVR.jpg | Feb 12 08:40 |
| schestowitz | does anyone here have an android phone? | Feb 12 08:56 |
| MinceR | yes | Feb 12 09:00 |
| schestowitz | can you install the tux machines app? | Feb 12 09:04 |
| schestowitz | I don't have a device to test it on | Feb 12 09:04 |
| MinceR | not yet, got to go | Feb 12 09:09 |
| schestowitz | it is a 9mb apk | Feb 12 09:09 |
| schestowitz | ok, cheers anyway for considering | Feb 12 09:10 |
| schestowitz | I will download an emulator | Feb 12 09:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/anbox-runs-android-in-your-linux-without-emulation | Feb 12 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Anbox Runs Android In Your Linux Without Emulation - LinuxAndUbuntu - Linux News | FOSS Reviews | Linux Tutorials HowTo | Feb 12 09:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.techspot.com/article/1365-run-android-apps-using-chrome/ | Feb 12 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Run Android Apps in Google Chrome - TechSpot | Feb 12 09:33 | |
| schestowitz | oh | Feb 12 09:33 |
| *amarsh04 has an android phone | Feb 12 09:45 | |
| amarsh04 | back in a few | Feb 12 09:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chrome.google.com | ARC Welder - Chrome Web Store | Feb 12 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | does not work either | Feb 12 10:02 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: can you install the app please? | Feb 12 10:02 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: http://www.tuxmachines.org/TuxMachines.apk | Feb 12 10:03 |
| schestowitz | I think it ought to work, but cannot test it | Feb 12 10:03 |
| schestowitz | could not install anbox or use chrome to run it either | Feb 12 10:03 |
| schestowitz | The google 'econ | Feb 12 10:03 |
| schestowitz | The google 'ecosystem' isn't as friendly as they like to put it | Feb 12 10:03 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Installed. | Feb 12 10:54 |
| schestowitz | has someone here had the chance to ttest drive it? | Feb 12 10:54 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: does it work? | Feb 12 10:54 |
| schestowitz | I spent hours just trying to get a way to run it | Feb 12 10:54 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, it loaded a feed. | Feb 12 10:55 |
| schestowitz | need to know 1) if it installs ok 2) runs ok 3) does not bring up spam/too many ads | Feb 12 10:55 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: does it look usable? | Feb 12 10:55 |
| schestowitz | (so far) | Feb 12 10:56 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Scrolling is not smooth | Feb 12 10:56 |
| XRevan86 | It just crashed %) | Feb 12 10:57 |
| XRevan86 | A long tap triggers a crash. | Feb 12 10:57 |
| schestowitz | haha | Feb 12 10:58 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It looks like a branded Atom/RSS client, it even allows customising webfeeds | Feb 12 10:58 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see | Feb 12 10:58 |
| schestowitz | does it come with 3 preloaded? | Feb 12 10:59 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines blog, news and techrights? | Feb 12 10:59 |
| XRevan86 | https://xmppshare.meowr.ru/7018dab47d96f0125923921d7e7b834efc33c532/HiWQTQnjxCsvjjUDmVzfYy6DBqiCgvZF53XGNcFE/Screenshot_20190212-135943.png | Feb 12 11:01 |
| XRevan86 | https://xmppshare.meowr.ru/7018dab47d96f0125923921d7e7b834efc33c532/4Y7YcpWlrTrOvpENeTNdEC11MHb4fi6upeJjVI1A/Screenshot_20190212-135932.png | Feb 12 11:01 |
| XRevan86 | https://xmppshare.meowr.ru/7018dab47d96f0125923921d7e7b834efc33c532/gVEo5M4FSWcDPEf30PuaraNK8Gu2gXIPRg6s0ud6/Screenshot_20190212-140005.png | Feb 12 11:01 |
| schestowitz | cheers, looking at these... | Feb 12 11:01 |
| schestowitz | COOL! | Feb 12 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Does techrights work too? | Feb 12 11:02 |
| schestowitz | oops, crap | Feb 12 11:03 |
| schestowitz | I put in the twitter feed | Feb 12 11:03 |
| schestowitz | I will need to reupload | Feb 12 11:03 |
| XRevan86 | Not sure what this white bar at the bottom is for. | Feb 12 11:04 |
| schestowitz | not sure as I don't see the app | Feb 12 11:06 |
| schestowitz | I will regenerate the apk | Feb 12 11:06 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It seems that only the blog is actually fetched. | Feb 12 11:06 |
| schestowitz | I will also add a screenshot | Feb 12 11:09 |
| schestowitz | maybe it times out on techrights? | Feb 12 11:09 |
| schestowitz | it validates OK at the moment | Feb 12 11:10 |
| schestowitz | maybe size of file? | Feb 12 11:10 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/feed/ | Feb 12 11:10 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'll make a screenshot with the demo mode soon :) | Feb 12 11:11 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: For a timeout it sure doesn't take long to load. | Feb 12 11:12 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: If I click on the techrights feed directly from the "RSS List", it opens. | Feb 12 11:15 |
| XRevan86 | Okay, now it makes sense: the application doesn't merge the feeds. | Feb 12 11:15 |
| XRevan86 | I've scrolled further, and when the blog ended, techrights begun | Feb 12 11:16 |
| schestowitz | uploading the new apk | Feb 12 11:17 |
| schestowitz | excellent, so it does work after all | Feb 12 11:17 |
| schestowitz | it's now with push notifications, too | Feb 12 11:17 |
| schestowitz | almost done uploading | Feb 12 11:17 |
| schestowitz | will rename the older apk as _old | Feb 12 11:17 |
| XRevan86 | https://xmppshare.meowr.ru/7018dab47d96f0125923921d7e7b834efc33c532/feFY8od8MFtqp4yySEXMGse9oSCvCbQi01F5rM08/Screenshot_20190212-141822.png | Feb 12 11:18 |
| schestowitz | OK, assuming no caching, you can now get the new/fixed version from the same URL | Feb 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/TuxMachines.apk | Feb 12 11:20 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: oh, good, that's aggregation of mutiple feeds | Feb 12 11:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's bad aggregai | Feb 12 11:22 |
| XRevan86 | aggregation | Feb 12 11:22 |
| schestowitz | I added your screenshotr | Feb 12 11:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120574 | Feb 12 11:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Testers Wanted: Android App for Tux Machines Site | Tux Machines | Feb 12 11:23 | |
| XRevan86 | Though both tuxmachines feeds merge fine. | Feb 12 11:23 |
| schestowitz | I think we're the first Linux-centric aggregation site with a dedicated app | Feb 12 11:23 |
| schestowitz | helps appease those who said the site is awful with phones/small screens | Feb 12 11:24 |
| schestowitz | The new APK should be with correct URL for news | Feb 12 11:24 |
| schestowitz | push notifications | Feb 12 11:24 |
| schestowitz | and better app description | Feb 12 11:24 |
| XRevan86 | It still crashes with a long tap (: | Feb 12 11:25 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, it registered for FCM push notifications. | Feb 12 11:25 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Just uploaded a new version of the #tuxmachines #android 'app', with an important fix. Mobile users can try it... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120574 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a2bc54af-30d1-42df-876c-ccd10f5bb8bd] | Feb 12 11:25 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The id is very odd, and it changed in the latest APK | Feb 12 11:26 |
| XRevan86 | com.wTuxMachines_8585964 | Feb 12 11:26 |
| schestowitz | The logs say 312 downloads so far | Feb 12 11:27 |
| schestowitz | cat /var/log/httpd/access.log |grep apk | wc | Feb 12 11:27 |
| XRevan86 | ids usually look like org.tuxmachines.app | Feb 12 11:27 |
| schestowitz | 312 4537 46869 | Feb 12 11:27 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what these are, XRevan86 | Feb 12 11:27 |
| schestowitz | it that benign or a really BadThing(R)? | Feb 12 11:28 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The id mustn't ever change | Feb 12 11:29 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's the identification of the application, that's how Android knows one is installing an update and not a different application. | Feb 12 11:30 |
| XRevan86 | and it's used to check for updates, etc. | Feb 12 11:31 |
| schestowitz | I see | Feb 12 11:31 |
| schestowitz | well, maybe it was already taken after the first generation of the apk, so it used an alternative one? | Feb 12 11:32 |
| XRevan86 | That's also why the id shouldn't be messy, because you won't be able to get rid of it later on | Feb 12 11:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's a problem when I submit to Google Store? | Feb 12 11:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Or anywhere else really | Feb 12 11:33 |
| schestowitz | I last developed for Android around 2012 | Feb 12 11:33 |
| schestowitz | but I ran it only locally | Feb 12 11:33 |
| XRevan86 | Like F-Droid | Feb 12 11:33 |
| schestowitz | on a ablet | Feb 12 11:33 |
| schestowitz | aha | Feb 12 11:33 |
| schestowitz | well, IF it's FOSS | Feb 12 11:33 |
| schestowitz | which I doubt | Feb 12 11:33 |
| schestowitz | the 'app' is probably secret code | Feb 12 11:33 |
| schestowitz | it's just tailored for some particular site/feeds | Feb 12 11:34 |
| schestowitz | with icon, description etc. | Feb 12 11:34 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Check if the generator allows input of id | Feb 12 11:34 |
| schestowitz | made in https://www.appsgeyser.com | Feb 12 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.appsgeyser.com | FREE App Creator. Create Apps for Android without Coding. | Feb 12 11:34 | |
| XRevan86 | It's unbelievable if it doesn't | Feb 12 11:34 |
| schestowitz | let's see | Feb 12 11:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.shoutem.com/app/rss-feed | Feb 12 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.shoutem.com | Create a RSS Feed App - Make RSS Feed Apps | Feb 12 11:35 | |
| schestowitz | oops | Feb 12 11:35 |
| schestowitz | wrong site | Feb 12 11:35 |
| XRevan86 | The ids follow this pattern: tld.domain.progname | Feb 12 11:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.appsgeyser.com/create-rss-app/ | Feb 12 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.appsgeyser.com | RSS Feed App Creator| Create Android App for Free | Feb 12 11:36 | |
| schestowitz | I see no option for ID | Feb 12 11:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.appsgeyser.com/testing/ | Feb 12 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AppsGeyser Testing F.A.Q. | Feb 12 11:36 | |
| XRevan86 | > Last app on this template was made 26 minutes ago in United Kingdom | Feb 12 11:39 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder who that is (: | Feb 12 11:39 |
| XRevan86 | > Testing F.A.Q. | Feb 12 11:41 |
| XRevan86 | That's just empty. | Feb 12 11:41 |
| schestowitz | empty field? | Feb 12 11:42 |
| schestowitz | BTW, my RSS feeds reader is Russian | Feb 12 11:42 |
| schestowitz | QuiteRSS | Feb 12 11:42 |
| schestowitz | And I convinced some mates to use that too | Feb 12 11:43 |
| schestowitz | thunderbird has been botched by their new developers at Mozilla | Feb 12 11:43 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: After "AppsGeyser Testing F.A.Q." there's just a footer | Feb 12 11:44 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120575 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0b1b6bd2-fc25-4db5-b996-0c5ea3a40e50] | Feb 12 11:46 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yes, it does look odd | Feb 12 11:47 |
| schestowitz | but their Web site works OK, doesn't look too dodgy/creepy to me | Feb 12 11:48 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Less than 2 hours ago we published an #android app for reading #tuxmachines and there have already been 350 downloads of it. http://www.tuxmachines.org/TuxMachines.apk [https://pleroma.site/objects/0c8ccab4-4c7d-435e-a9a9-1f72bfbe3aae] | Feb 12 12:06 | |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: thanks for helping to test! | Feb 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | tuxmachines html]# cat /var/log/httpd/access.log |grep apk | wc | Feb 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | 793 10893 115125 | Feb 12 12:09 |
| *XRevan86 looks at appyet.com | Feb 12 12:11 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 8 Best Linux Console File Managers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120576 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ab9dc88a-c465-4d87-a9c3-e62ba12ee668] | Feb 12 12:13 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It requires bugmenot^W registration, but it seems to be a better option than appsgeyser. | Feb 12 12:17 |
| XRevan86 | > W System.err: java.lang.ClassCastException: android.widget.LinearLayout$LayoutParams cannot be cast to android.support.v7.widget.RecyclerView$LayoutParams | Feb 12 12:20 |
| XRevan86 | that long tap crash | Feb 12 12:20 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Events: LCA and FOSDEM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120577 [https://pleroma.site/objects/53364a53-2ec9-4c4d-a305-4d1bbc3a7f13] | Feb 12 12:22 | |
| schestowitz | maybe they know of this bug? | Feb 12 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe depends on Android v and device type, screen size? | Feb 12 12:26 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I can try on another one %) | Feb 12 12:29 |
| XRevan86 | Having relatives, I've accumulated quite a variety over the years | Feb 12 12:30 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top 10 Free Linux Painting Tools http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120578 #gnu #linux #graphics #art [https://pleroma.site/objects/9f77a65d-7e39-444e-b186-f13395588dd7] | Feb 12 12:32 | |
| schestowitz | that would be great, thank you, XRevan86 | Feb 12 12:32 |
| XRevan86 | same | Feb 12 12:34 |
| XRevan86 | So no difference between Android 6 Marshmallow, Android 7 Nougat | Feb 12 12:34 |
| *XRevan86 boots up 4.4 Kitkat | Feb 12 12:38 | |
| XRevan86 | It must work *somewhere*, right? :) | Feb 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | I tried on Android 2.something | Feb 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | did not accept the installer | Feb 12 12:38 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's way too old by any standard, yeah. | Feb 12 12:39 |
| schestowitz | When your business model is selling more and more phones I doubt legacy and backward compat matter | Feb 12 12:40 |
| XRevan86 | On Kitkat it just crashes on start -_- | Feb 12 12:40 |
| schestowitz | They might even be seen as UNdesirable | Feb 12 12:40 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Application developers care about compatibility, but too a certain extent. | Feb 12 12:41 |
| schestowitz | there are those good ol Google charts for Android version usage | Feb 12 12:41 |
| schestowitz | some rectangular, some pi charts | Feb 12 12:41 |
| XRevan86 | Usually these days the minimum requirement is Android 4.1 | Feb 12 12:41 |
| XRevan86 | sometimes 4.4, but it's shifting towards 5.0 | Feb 12 12:42 |
| XRevan86 | The latest version of NewPipe is 5.0+ | Feb 12 12:42 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Windows, Microsoft, Kubernetes and GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120579 [https://pleroma.site/objects/edddc91a-68e3-4771-91fc-3e040db944be] | Feb 12 12:42 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming/Development: Measure, LLVM/Clang, HHVM and Android Development Courses http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120580 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0acc54c6-7d4b-4bba-bc40-88509bc70320] | Feb 12 12:45 | |
| schestowitz | I suppose any issues that exist are 'upstream' with that developer rather than the customisations | Feb 12 12:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Of course | Feb 12 12:46 |
| XRevan86 | but they are quite major | Feb 12 12:47 |
| schestowitz | the bugs? | Feb 12 12:47 |
| XRevan86 | The APK has no minimum Android ABI version set at all | Feb 12 12:47 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: yes | Feb 12 12:47 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Laptops/Desktops: Chromebooks, MX Linux 18.1 and West of Loathing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120581 [https://pleroma.site/objects/158701a0-f2a8-4652-85d8-f5409c987ff0] | Feb 12 12:52 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What Android device do you have? :) | Feb 12 12:54 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Server: Kiwi TCMS, Kubernetes Operators, OpenFabrics Alliance and Linux Watch Command http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120582 [https://pleroma.site/objects/528a072f-f25f-436d-856e-84705539b5d2] | Feb 12 12:54 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: do you get push notifications ok? | Feb 12 12:55 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: wife has phone from 7 years ago | Feb 12 12:56 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120583 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c8a01908-8259-4aef-9138-9c2d1bd84496] | Feb 12 12:56 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's… unspecific | Feb 12 12:57 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Installed it back. I guess I have to wait until something happens :) | Feb 12 13:00 |
| schestowitz | in terms of them fixing it? | Feb 12 13:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: For an FCM push notification to appear | Feb 12 13:01 |
| XRevan86 | in terms of them fixing it I doubt anything will happen | Feb 12 13:02 |
| schestowitz | I guess it depends on how often it checked/refreshes rss | Feb 12 13:02 |
| XRevan86 | It probably works, I do see it in the microG's FCM application list. | Feb 12 13:04 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 12/2/2019: PyPy 7.0.0, HHVM 4.0.0 and CVE-2019-5736 http://techrights.org/2019/02/12/cve-2019-5736/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/6261343c-a610-4305-b68d-71197ea916fb] | Feb 12 13:07 | |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Nothing was pushed yet. | Feb 12 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | Which makes me wonder – what's supposed to do the pushing? | Feb 12 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: maybe new posts | Feb 12 14:11 |
| schestowitz | like the ones in tuxmachines, do they show up? | Feb 12 14:11 |
| XRevan86 | The way it works something is supposed to send a message to a Google's server. | Feb 12 14:12 |
| schestowitz | so maybe need to register on Store? | Feb 12 14:28 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: maybe they will reject based on quality, as per what you mentioned above | Feb 12 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: No, the Play Store is unrelated. | Feb 12 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | The chain is as such: a server sends a message to Google, Google sends a message to the device | Feb 12 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | I don't get what is going to send the message to Google. | Feb 12 14:39 |
| XRevan86 | appsgeyser? | Feb 12 14:39 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: If you were to submit this to Play Store, it'd be rejected. | Feb 12 14:40 |
| XRevan86 | grep '\.apk' /var/log/httpd/access.log | grep -vi bot | wc -l – to rule out crawler bots | Feb 12 14:47 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #KDE Plasma 5.15 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120584 [https://pleroma.site/objects/234a6284-4a42-4ed3-878e-2f31be2ecf28] | Feb 12 15:17 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Million to One Hero, Barotrauma, JUMPGRID and Pygame http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120586 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e635b00e-88d6-4f2e-8369-46b7ef11fdf4] | Feb 12 15:41 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Nearly 1,000 downloads of the #tuxmachines #android app since we published it 6 hours ago http://www.tuxmachines.org/TuxMachines.apk [https://pleroma.site/objects/c853ce2c-83ff-4c23-b04d-a815512b8a03] | Feb 12 15:54 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Nautilus Exif, PDF And Audio Metadata Tag Columns Extension For Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120587 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7b8e003f-4c6a-4c2e-b38d-3654bdf3f2ed] | Feb 12 16:00 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Removing Profanity from the Source Tree http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120588 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f1b1b53c-b863-42ba-9b0f-258a49806474] | Feb 12 16:04 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: | Feb 12 16:13 |
| schestowitz | [root@tuxmachines ~]# cat /var/log/httpd/access.log |grep apk | wc | Feb 12 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 1318 18209 192332 | Feb 12 16:13 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Google's Chrome OS "Wilco" Driver Working Towards Mainline Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120589 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c4d18125-d322-4331-8d49-0c312b3c8235] | Feb 12 16:18 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'm suspicious | Feb 12 16:20 |
| XRevan86 | sed -E '/\.apk/!d;/GET/!d;s/^([^ ]+).*$/\1/' /var/log/httpd/access.log | sort -u | Feb 12 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: How about this? :) | Feb 12 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | * sed -E '/\.apk/!d;/GET/!d;s/^([^ ]+).*$/\1/' /var/log/httpd/access.log | sort -u | wc -l | Feb 12 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | only unique IP's | Feb 12 16:24 |
| scientes | eww backtracking | Feb 12 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | s/^([^ ]+).*$/\1/ is a replacement for awk '{print $1}'. Worth it. | Feb 12 16:27 |
| schestowitz | I was just getting rough numbers | Feb 12 16:28 |
| scientes | you ave to get the . back in there | Feb 12 16:28 |
| scientes | bonus points for ipv6 support | Feb 12 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: There's no IP handling, it just removes everything after the first space character. | Feb 12 16:30 |
| scientes | oh i c | Feb 12 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | Luckily there are no space characters in IPv6 :P | Feb 12 16:31 |
| scientes | yeah that should be good enough | Feb 12 16:31 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: do you still need that app tested? | Feb 12 16:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: LibreOffice Teaches C++, IBM Explores Clang for C/C++, Python Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120590 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0a2ed76d-76d9-4639-8316-85544e969790] | Feb 12 16:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Class Action Against Apple, Massive Data Dumps, More on CVE-2019-5736 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120591 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bf8190c7-fa41-4251-9394-9b6c058aa177] | Feb 12 16:47 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, please... | Feb 12 16:52 |
| schestowitz | there are some bugs, based on XRevan86 | Feb 12 16:52 |
| schestowitz | if there weren't, I'd have advertised it now as 'testing' | Feb 12 16:53 |
| schestowitz | *not | Feb 12 16:53 |
| schestowitz | if people spot bugs and it's "testing", they won't complain | Feb 12 16:53 |
| MinceR | is it on play store? | Feb 12 17:00 |
| MinceR | oops, i need to go buy a router, i'll continue from home | Feb 12 17:00 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latest Kernel Changes/Additions http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120593 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fbb90505-7373-40b6-8d9e-d3ee87d9c9db] | Feb 12 17:13 | |
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| schestowitz | [17:00] <MinceR> is it on play store? | Feb 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | no, it's just a testing thing | Feb 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86 found bugs | Feb 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | but at least it might appease people who use a phone for everything | Feb 12 17:26 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120596 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b33c46a0-77b9-4dbf-905c-86c12a36d3f5] | Feb 12 18:07 | |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: ok, i'm home. do you have a url for the apk? | Feb 12 18:28 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to scientes schestowitz Valfor | Feb 12 18:28 | |
| XRevan86 | > http://tuxmachines.org/TuxMachines.apk | Feb 12 18:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, oh, XRevan86 beat me to it | Feb 12 18:37 |
| MinceR | "you are giving this application owner (Undefined company name)" | Feb 12 18:47 |
| MinceR | this will need to be filled in :> | Feb 12 18:48 |
| MinceR | has way too many "partners" who collect information :> | Feb 12 18:48 |
| MinceR | other than that, it seems to work on a Moto G5 | Feb 12 18:48 |
| schestowitz | excellent | Feb 12 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: try a long tap | Feb 12 18:49 |
| schestowitz | yes, I can imagine it's not good for privacy | Feb 12 18:49 |
| MinceR | lol, a very long tap crashes it | Feb 12 18:50 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently it's supposed to open a menu of some kind | Feb 12 18:51 |
| MinceR | ah, an ordinary long tap crashes it too, just takes a while | Feb 12 18:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Also notice the application id | Feb 12 18:52 |
| MinceR | can't see it | Feb 12 18:52 |
| XRevan86 | (Undefined company name) is nothing compared to that %) | Feb 12 18:52 |
| MinceR | the built-in browser is noticeably slow though | Feb 12 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | com.wTuxMachines_8585964 | Feb 12 18:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Feb 12 18:53 |
| schestowitz | haha | Feb 12 18:54 |
| schestowitz | I didn't say this thing would be polished | Feb 12 18:54 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Feb 12 18:54 |
| schestowitz | just... Polish | Feb 12 18:54 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: do you need me to check something else or can i uninstall it now? :) | Feb 12 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | I don't really see room for polish though… | Feb 12 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | it's not code | Feb 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | is there an apk in-place editor for these configs? | Feb 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you can delete it if it works for the feeds and all | Feb 12 18:55 |
| MinceR | ok | Feb 12 18:55 |
| MinceR | all 3 feeds appear to work | Feb 12 18:56 |
| schestowitz | cool! | Feb 12 18:56 |
| XRevan86 | https://ibotpeaches.github.io/Apktool/ | Feb 12 18:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ibotpeaches.github.io | Apktool - A tool for reverse engineering 3rd party, closed, binary Android apps. | Feb 12 18:56 | |
| XRevan86 | The API level should probably be 21 | Feb 12 18:57 |
| XRevan86 | as it doesn't work on API 19 for sure | Feb 12 18:58 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Feb 12 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I will look into it this weekend | Feb 12 18:59 |
| schestowitz | the tap crash I could not fix, however, I only spent months developing Android stuff and this one is proprietary it seems... | Feb 12 19:00 |
| MinceR | poor fit for your sites then :> | Feb 12 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You could fork an existing FOSS feed reader and brand it, getting a better result %) | Feb 12 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | the FCM push notification feature seems to not give *any* results | Feb 12 19:02 |
| MinceR | some potential starting points >> https://search.f-droid.org/?q=rss&lang=en | Feb 12 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-search.f-droid.org | F-Droid Search: rss | Feb 12 19:02 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://dilbert.com/strip/1991-12-02 why did I look into the comment section… | Feb 12 19:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1991-12-02 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Feb 12 19:17 | |
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| MinceR | 12 202855 <@MinceR> actually i don't see any issues with the comment section | Feb 12 19:33 |
| MinceR | 12 202859 <@MinceR> other than it needs disqus | Feb 12 19:33 |
| MinceR | (on that particular page, anyway) | Feb 12 19:33 |
| MinceR | this is why i need to replace my router | Feb 12 19:35 |
| MinceR | i try to download a file over 100 MB -> PPPoE connection drops | Feb 12 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's not the comment section, it's the comments inside | Feb 12 19:35 |
| MinceR | i meant that | Feb 12 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | their ronk | Feb 12 19:36 |
| MinceR | someone is wrong on the internet! | Feb 12 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | ja | Feb 12 19:40 |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/mxswd/status/1094862834138210304?s=19 | Feb 12 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mxswd: ffmpeg was probably the hardest of the final fantasy series | Feb 12 20:49 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://dilbert.com/strip/1992-01-12 some of those strips haven't aged a bit | Feb 12 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1992-01-12 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Feb 12 21:25 | |
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| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/v6d4qc.jpg | Feb 12 22:00 |
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| *XRevan86 is sure this is some kind of pun. | Feb 12 22:04 | |
| MinceR | you don't say | Feb 12 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | I don't see it. | Feb 12 22:04 |
| MinceR | "check, one, two" | Feb 12 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | TIL | Feb 12 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | Slavno | Feb 12 22:12 |
| MinceR | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5375829/ | Feb 12 23:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov | Detection of the Vibration Signal from Human Vocal Folds Using a 94-GHz Millimeter-Wave Radar | Feb 12 23:12 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/577848.jpg | Feb 12 23:33 |
| *XRevan86 wonders where to put the stress. | Feb 12 23:36 | |
| XRevan86 | Négar or Negár? | Feb 12 23:36 |
| MinceR | i'd put it on e | Feb 12 23:36 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/577834.jpg | Feb 12 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | apparently the "a" is supposed to be long | Feb 12 23:40 |
| XRevan86 | It's hard for me to imagine an unstressed long vowel %) | Feb 12 23:40 |
| MinceR | i would have pronounced it with an unstressed short a | Feb 12 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | yes, it's long | Feb 12 23:44 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Feb 12 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/FCJZYCkc4Fo?t=6 found this | Feb 12 23:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Negar 2017 İran Filmi - YouTube | Feb 12 23:44 | |
| XRevan86 | no idea what that is, but they say the word | Feb 12 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | And now I want to spell it as Ñegár | Feb 12 23:45 |
| MinceR | why not an umlaut on the N and the r? | Feb 12 23:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: ñ is just more prominent in English already | Feb 12 23:46 |
| XRevan86 | why on the r? | Feb 12 23:46 |
| MinceR | for double the metallicity | Feb 12 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | "Ňegár" works too | Feb 12 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | > In Czech and Slovak, ň represents /ɲ/, the palatal nasal. | Feb 12 23:48 |
| XRevan86 | like that | Feb 12 23:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm bad at telling apart different kinds of "r" :) | Feb 12 23:49 |
| MinceR | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/Spinal_Tap_logo.jpg/220px-Spinal_Tap_logo.jpg | Feb 12 23:49 |
| XRevan86 | "N̈" | Feb 12 23:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Feb 12 23:53 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I didn't know about that :) | Feb 12 23:53 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_umlaut | Feb 12 23:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Metal umlaut - Wikipedia | Feb 12 23:53 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yes, I found it now | Feb 12 23:53 |
| XRevan86 | meetol | Feb 12 23:54 |
| MinceR | https://img.discogs.com/4HsF_Wf0-4LnlnyfTiY8f_zsty8=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-400144-1168816667.jpeg.jpg | Feb 12 23:54 |
| MinceR | this one's new to me | Feb 12 23:54 |
| XRevan86 | * meetól | Feb 12 23:54 |
| XRevan86 | > When Mötley Crüe visited Germany, singer Vince Neil said the band couldn't figure out why "the crowds were chanting, Mutley Cruh! Mutley Cruh!" | Feb 12 23:56 |
| XRevan86 | I've been studying German for two days, this may have affected me | Feb 12 23:57 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 12 23:57 |
| MinceR | i'm tempted to pronounce the ö and ü as well | Feb 12 23:58 |
| MinceR | (and a silent e at the end) | Feb 12 23:58 |
| XRevan86 | it's silent? | Feb 12 23:58 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Feb 12 23:58 |
| MinceR | i just don't feel like pronouncing an 'e' right after an 'ü' | Feb 12 23:58 |
| MinceR | and it's at the end of the word so it could be | Feb 12 23:59 |
| amarsh04 | @schestowitz installed the TuxMachines.apk alright, had a long work day yesterday, recovering today on a day off | Feb 12 23:59 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cr%C3%BBe meanwhile, this is actually a thing | Feb 12 23:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | crûe - Wiktionary | Feb 12 23:59 | |
| XRevan86 | Not an umlaut, but I like an idea of a meetól band with a French sounding name :) | Feb 13 00:00 |
| MinceR | :) | Feb 13 00:09 |
| MinceR | in fact if 'crue' was supposed to be 'crew', the 'e' would indeed be silent in it | Feb 13 00:09 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Indeed. | Feb 13 00:26 |
| XRevan86 | The "resilient" Internet initiative is heinous | Feb 13 00:29 |
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| XRevan86 | It feels like the Russian government has decided to jump the shark again | Feb 13 00:30 |
| XRevan86 | The idea of localised access points between the local and international parts of the Internet seems like PRC way too much. | Feb 13 00:31 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I bet Yandex does less filtering than google | Feb 13 00:32 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: If you're outside of Russia, then yes. | Feb 13 00:33 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It complies with the RKN demands, and that includes piracy stuff amongst other things. | Feb 13 00:34 |
| cubexyz | Yandex is still indexing pirate bay, and google does not | Feb 13 00:38 |
| cubexyz | google has become more strict it seems | Feb 13 00:38 |
| XRevan86 | I don't really want to check, but theoretically it should block TPB as well | Feb 13 00:39 |
| XRevan86 | maybe it only does for Russian IPs to have a killer feature for the international market | Feb 13 00:39 |
| cubexyz | still, that really opens the door to censorship of all kinds | Feb 13 00:41 |
| XRevan86 | The door's been open for years | Feb 13 00:42 |
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| XRevan86 | this opens an arch | Feb 13 00:42 |
| cubexyz | you can still get around all the Roskomnadzor restrictions yes? | Feb 13 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's the problem they're really trying to solve I suspect. | Feb 13 00:45 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I'm connected to IRC through a bouncer, that in itself implies I can access whatever I may wish. | Feb 13 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | Although I could've hosted it in Russia… | Feb 13 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: So yes, a VPS abroad is sufficient to mitigate any restriction. | Feb 13 00:49 |
| XRevan86 | And they're only now starting to look into IPv6. | Feb 13 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | [23:59] <amarsh04> @schestowitz installed the TuxMachines.apk alright, had a long work day yesterday, recovering today on a day off | Feb 13 04:59 |
| schestowitz | thanks, good to know :-) | Feb 13 04:59 |
| schestowitz | I just had nothing to test this one | Feb 13 04:59 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/577504.jpg | Feb 13 08:30 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I don't get it | Feb 13 09:14 |
| schestowitz | some cultural references there | Feb 13 09:14 |
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| MinceR | yeah | Feb 13 10:20 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47198426 | Feb 13 16:37 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes | Feb 13 17:06 |
| scientes | XRevan86, where are you in Russia? | Feb 13 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: SPb | Feb 13 17:07 |
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| scientes | Do some russians use palm oil as a butter substitute? | Feb 13 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I haven't heard of that | Feb 13 17:11 |
| scientes | https://www.ft.com/content/b5115324-7c8e-11e7-ab01-a13271d1ee9c this says russia is flooded with cheap cheese that uses palm oil | Feb 13 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Subscribe to read | Financial Times | Feb 13 17:11 | |
| *XRevan86 hit the wall | Feb 13 17:12 | |
| scientes | you have to search the url in google | Feb 13 17:12 |
| scientes | ok, so I met a Russian girl here in Costa Rica, from Abakan in Siberia, and I was like "that palm oil isn | Feb 13 17:13 |
| scientes | t butter" | Feb 13 17:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Right, I can just change the UA to Googlebot and read it %) | Feb 13 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | and it's darn long | Feb 13 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So she had a brick of palm oil with her? | Feb 13 17:18 |
| scientes | she was looking at it in the store, and said she used it previously on bread | Feb 13 17:18 |
| XRevan86 | freaky | Feb 13 17:19 |
| MinceR | could be hydrogenated palm oil | Feb 13 17:20 |
| scientes | you don | Feb 13 17:20 |
| MinceR | that could form a brick | Feb 13 17:20 |
| scientes | t have to hydrogenate it | Feb 13 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Is she a vegan? :) | Feb 13 17:21 |
| scientes | MinceR, it is solid at room temprature | Feb 13 17:21 |
| MinceR | i thought it was normally liquid | Feb 13 17:21 |
| MinceR | because it was used in a deep fryer | Feb 13 17:21 |
| MinceR | but maybe it's melted by the heat there | Feb 13 17:21 |
| scientes | like cocoanut, it is solid at 20 C | Feb 13 17:22 |
| scientes | MinceR, you want a saturated (solid) fat for deep fryer, so that the result is easier to eat | Feb 13 17:22 |
| MinceR | i thought it wasn't normally expected to stay in the food that much | Feb 13 17:23 |
| scientes | why do you think french fries are so tasty? | Feb 13 17:23 |
| scientes | (besides the salt) | Feb 13 17:23 |
| scientes | it use to be hydrogenated soy oil, but I guess that is changing/changed because of bans on trans-fats | Feb 13 17:24 |
| MinceR | because of the potato | Feb 13 17:24 |
| scientes | https://gettingonmysoapbox.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/even-in-costa-rica-palm-oil-plantations-the-scourge-never-ends/ | Feb 13 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gettingonmysoapbox.wordpress.com | Even in Costa Rica – Palm Oil Plantations. The Scourge Never Ends | gettingonmysoapbox | Feb 13 17:25 | |
| scientes | good ol Simplot | Feb 13 17:25 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Odroid-N2 SBC has hexa-core Amlogic S922X and $63 to $79 price http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120626 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cf10e908-4fd2-4997-b48a-2e5a64dcf095] | Feb 13 19:20 | |
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| acer-box__ | https://in.pcmag.com/news/128571/evil-usb-cable-can-remotely-accept-commands-from-hacker | Feb 13 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-in.pcmag.com | Evil USB Cable Can Remotely Accept Commands From Hacker - PCMag India | Feb 13 19:35 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The trans fat ban primarily affects packaged junk food. | Feb 13 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The issue isn't new. | Feb 13 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In an episode of King of the Hill, Bill discovers that the government banned trans fats in his potato chips and figures he can eat as many as he wants because the government approved it and becomes morbidly obese. | Feb 13 20:33 |
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| kaniini | it took 5 motherboards and a complete rewrite of the timer code in skiboot, but we appear to finally be stable on POWER9 | Feb 13 21:42 |
| kaniini | lolz | Feb 13 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: wow | Feb 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: EPYC failure from IBM | Feb 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3780368/epyc-linux-instability.html | Feb 13 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.tomshardware.com | EPYC Linux instability | Tom's Hardware Forum | Feb 13 22:21 | |
| kaniini | schestowitz: thats different issue, mine was "machine locks up in skiboot for increasingly long periods of time" | Feb 13 22:22 |
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| oiaohm | https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/02/13/2041218/left-to-their-own-devices-pricing-algorithms-resort-to-collusion who said a computer cannot get greedy. | Feb 13 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | Left To Their Own Devices, Pricing Algorithms Resort To Collusion - Slashdot | Feb 13 22:36 | |
| oiaohm | https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xwbg7j/online-contract-terms-of-service-are-incomprehensible-to-adults-study-finds << this has always been a serous question. | Feb 13 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com | Most Online ‘Terms of Service’ Are Incomprehensible to Adults, Study Finds - Motherboard | Feb 13 22:40 | |
| MinceR | 13 232157 <+schestowitz> kaniini: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3780368/epyc-linux-instability.html | Feb 13 22:41 |
| oiaohm | Printing too small has always voided contracts. But what about using too complex wording. | Feb 13 22:41 |
| *MinceR facepalms | Feb 13 22:41 | |
| MinceR | EPYC PHAYLE | Feb 13 22:41 |
| MinceR | looks like my gaming desktop will have to have an intel cpu after all :( | Feb 13 22:41 |
| MinceR | maybe i should just give up on IT and prepare for the apocalypse | Feb 13 22:43 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=7093&pid=43850#pid43850 Not gaming but some interesting announcements. | Feb 13 22:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.pine64.org | FOSDEM 2019 Blog! Pinebook Pro, PinePhone Dev Kits and much more! | Feb 13 22:48 | |
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| MinceR | yeah, i've read about the pinebook pro | Feb 13 22:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the console case has been interested for a kodi box. | Feb 13 22:51 |
| oiaohm | has me interested sorry. I just suffered from word swap. | Feb 13 22:52 |
| MinceR | pinephone and pinetab are interesting too | Feb 13 22:53 |
| oiaohm | No secureboot to fight with. | Feb 13 22:54 |
| MinceR | indeed, but not nearly as powerful as my ThinkPad X270 | Feb 13 22:54 |
| MinceR | and the point of the gaming desktop would have been to be powerful enough for certain new games | Feb 13 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Does your thinkpad run all day on battery. | Feb 13 22:54 |
| MinceR | no | Feb 13 22:54 |
| MinceR | and to make good use of my 144Hz monitor in Xonotic :> | Feb 13 22:55 |
| oiaohm | that why I am looking at the pinebook pro 4g of ram is enough as long as you don't go nuts and should run all day. | Feb 13 22:55 |
| oiaohm | https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/one_image_to_rule_them_all/ Also this should be interesting this year. | Feb 13 22:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosdem.org | FOSDEM 2019 - One image to rule them all | Feb 13 22:56 | |
| MinceR | is there any word on how heavy the pinebook pro would be? | Feb 13 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Maybe we can reduce down the number of individual memory card images we need for arm. | Feb 13 22:56 |
| MinceR | single image is nice | Feb 13 22:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: they don't mention the weight yet. Digital video output via USB-C up to 4K60hz << this is a stated feature. I don't really know if you would want to be doing that. | Feb 13 22:57 |
| MinceR | :) | Feb 13 22:58 |
| oiaohm | Thinking they are looking at doing a upgrade kit for first pinebooks to pro you would suspect 14 inch pinebook pro to be about the same weight maybe a little heavier than the pinebook 14 inch that is 1.26 kg | Feb 13 22:59 |
| MinceR | well, my X270 is driving 2 full hd monitors via USB-C (and a dock) | Feb 13 22:59 |
| oiaohm | I would say under 2kg. | Feb 13 22:59 |
| MinceR | ouch | Feb 13 22:59 |
| MinceR | oh, i read that as 2kg | Feb 13 22:59 |
| MinceR | not under it :> | Feb 13 22:59 |
| oiaohm | I was thinking under 2kg once you add in charge.... I think in terms of total for bag packing. | Feb 13 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Carting around a laptop is never that light once you have all the addon you want with it. | Feb 13 23:01 |
| MinceR | i see | Feb 13 23:03 |
| MinceR | i usually don't carry a charger | Feb 13 23:03 |
| MinceR | i have several at home and one at the office :> | Feb 13 23:03 |
| oiaohm | I go to conferences and training from time to time. So home/office solution does not work. | Feb 13 23:04 |
| MinceR | well yeah, then i might have to take a charger too | Feb 13 23:04 |
| oiaohm | The train bag limit here is 20kg. | Feb 13 23:04 |
| oiaohm | I have been over before for harddrives. | Feb 13 23:05 |
| oiaohm | I really do hope its under 1.5kg total with charger . | Feb 13 23:06 |
| oiaohm | That would be charger and dock. I am kind of evil for using hotel rooms hdmi tv as extra screen. | Feb 13 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Also I do like the first generation pinebook for the fact you could pull the sd card with the OS on it put it in a case and put that in your pocket. This is a computer that you can leave the main body in a hotel room and the staff are fairly much screwed stuffing with it. | Feb 13 23:08 |
| MinceR | not really | Feb 13 23:10 |
| MinceR | they could replace it with an identical-looking one | Feb 13 23:10 |
| MinceR | which could boot from a hidden sd card instead | Feb 13 23:10 |
| MinceR | and then screw with yours once you enter the passphrase | Feb 13 23:11 |
| oiaohm | That leaves behind a lot more physical evidence. | Feb 13 23:11 |
| MinceR | will you notice it in time, though? | Feb 13 23:12 |
| oiaohm | Its not like the windows 10 arm laptops or the like when firmware can be moded by just booting with inserted. | Feb 13 23:12 |
| oiaohm | usb. | Feb 13 23:12 |
| MinceR | if it runs windows, it doesn't need to be modified | Feb 13 23:12 |
| MinceR | it's already backdoored several times over | Feb 13 23:12 |
| oiaohm | My laptops normally end up covered in event stickers and other things. So straight up replacement of the device is not simple. | Feb 13 23:14 |
| MinceR | doable with proper preparation | Feb 13 23:16 |
| MinceR | or they could replace the innards | Feb 13 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Exactly the word proper preparation. | Feb 13 23:16 |
| MinceR | which is exactly what an APT can be expected to do | Feb 13 23:16 |
| oiaohm | This is not going to be a person being an optunisictic. | Feb 13 23:17 |
| oiaohm | There comes a level that you should not attempt to defend against. | Feb 13 23:17 |
| MinceR | plain FDE would prevent such people from stealing your data | Feb 13 23:17 |
| oiaohm | https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/now-the-police-want-your-passwords-%E2%80%93-and-you-could-be-fined-dollar60000-or-put-in-prison-for-five-years-if-you-refuse/ar-BBNBzP6 FDE is doubled sided. | Feb 13 23:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Now the police want your passwords – and you could be fined $60,000 or put in prison for five years if you refuse | Feb 13 23:19 | |
| oiaohm | Yes remember I am in Australia. | Feb 13 23:19 |
| MinceR | is the police above or below the level you should not attempt to defend against? | Feb 13 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Lot of cases defending against the police is above what you should be defending against. | Feb 13 23:21 |
| cubexyz | password for what? your phone/laptop/home computer? | Feb 13 23:21 |
| cubexyz | anything? | Feb 13 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes the way the law is written claiming you cannot recall the password or have forgot password you are screwed. | Feb 13 23:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its anything you cannot disobey the police offices request. | Feb 13 23:22 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, seems like a serious over-reach to me | Feb 13 23:22 |
| MinceR | that's because it is a serious overreach | Feb 13 23:22 |
| MinceR | but i guess this is not something you can make the tories understand | Feb 13 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Its more than that the worst part is they can jail you for 5 years at end of 5 years ask you for password again and when you cannot answer this is a new case of disobeying police officer so back to jail for another 5. | Feb 13 23:23 |
| oiaohm | There is no such thing as a true life sentence in Australia but losing password to somethign the police want could serousally be a life sentence. | Feb 13 23:24 |
| MinceR | as usual, disobeying the thugs who want to rule over your IT infrastructure is a greater crime than killing people | Feb 13 23:24 |
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| MinceR | but hey, at least the human species is making excellent arguments against statism | Feb 13 23:27 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: once you get to something that does not work against state actors against high level crimial actors they will just kidnap and torture you as well. Either way your life can be ruined. | Feb 13 23:37 |
| MinceR | better get ready to defend ourselves, then | Feb 13 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Feb 13 23:38 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/5nV4HdR | Feb 13 23:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Star Wars Meme Dump - Album on Imgur | Feb 13 23:39 | |
| oiaohm | https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/14/for-every-gun-used-in-self-defense-six-more-are-used-to-commit-a-crime/ I know this is an annoying since but the stats are funny. | Feb 13 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | For every gun used in self-defense, six more are used to commit a crime - The Washington Post | Feb 13 23:42 | |
| oiaohm | Turns out your risk of getting hurt is the same if you don't fight back or fight back. | Feb 13 23:42 |
| MinceR | might as well fight back, then | Feb 13 23:42 |
| oiaohm | That if you stay at the crime. | Feb 13 23:43 |
| MinceR | funny how lobbyists have made the word "crime" meaningless | Feb 13 23:43 |
| oiaohm | Best outcome was be a coward and run and get backup. | Feb 13 23:43 |
| oiaohm | Basically the rule of numbers. | Feb 13 23:43 |
| oiaohm | So defend self is most likely the wrong thing. Know how to defend and function as a unit with other people is most likely more important. | Feb 13 23:44 |
| MinceR | too bad other people tend to suck | Feb 13 23:45 |
| MinceR | there's a solution, though | Feb 13 23:45 |
| MinceR | killer robots. | Feb 13 23:45 |
| oiaohm | I remember in one security training execess I was watching I cracked up laughing and the instructor had a crack at me. I did deck him with a hooked walking stick. | Feb 13 23:46 |
| oiaohm | You can quite effectely stop a persom with a knife base ball bat... If you have a hooked walking stick and you grab one of the ankles with it and proceed to drag them around by the foot. | Feb 13 23:47 |
| MinceR | or if you have 3 killbots open fire at them with gatling guns | Feb 13 23:49 |
| MinceR | and turn them into a fine red mist | Feb 13 23:49 |
| oiaohm | True but against proto type killbots high bright touches have been nicely effective. | Feb 13 23:50 |
| oiaohm | Think about a blinded kill bot might kill you instead of intended target. | Feb 13 23:50 |
| MinceR | not likely if i'm not even there | Feb 13 23:51 |
| MinceR | plus several sensors could be used | Feb 13 23:51 |
| oiaohm | If you are out of range this is obey the rule of numbers. | Feb 13 23:51 |
| MinceR | naturally | Feb 13 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Get well clear and let numbers deal with the problem. | Feb 13 23:51 |
| MinceR | but it avoids hell (also known as "other people") | Feb 13 23:52 |
| oiaohm | As long as your kill bots don't get hacked and sent back on you. | Feb 13 23:52 |
| MinceR | which is why they shouldn't have crap like ME or systemd | Feb 13 23:52 |
| oiaohm | ME firmware like problems there can be quite hard to avoid. | Feb 13 23:54 |
| oiaohm | systemd may or may not harm security. | Feb 13 23:54 |
| oiaohm | There are just so many different ways systemd can be built and configured. | Feb 13 23:54 |
| oiaohm | like qualcomm the 4g/3g modem in the soc chip has full memory access. | Feb 13 23:55 |
| MinceR | yeah | Feb 13 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes that one where you see the tv shows talking about turning phones on by remote that is done by talking to the modem in some phones. Worst they shows don't have them turn on the phone then download the complete contents. | Feb 13 23:57 |
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| MinceR | here's one way it could be configured: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 | Feb 13 23:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tmpfiles: R! /dir/.* destroys root · Issue #5644 · systemd/systemd · GitHub | Feb 13 23:57 | |
| oiaohm | Yes that is in fact possible with some of the backdoors. | Feb 13 23:57 |
| MinceR | and here's the amount of clue its creator has: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644#issuecomment-290345033 | Feb 13 23:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tmpfiles: R! /dir/.* destroys root · Issue #5644 · systemd/systemd · GitHub | Feb 13 23:57 | |
| MinceR | (spoiler alert: the amount of clue is negative.) | Feb 13 23:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: funny part is systemd answer is right if you were using toybox instead of busybox embedded. Yes toybox rm is overly nasty. | Feb 13 23:59 |
| MinceR | was toybox also "developed" by poettering? | Feb 13 23:59 |
| MinceR | classic fidesz defense -- "but someone else is doing it wrong too" | Feb 14 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Rob Landley is the one who developed toybox. | Feb 14 00:01 |
| oiaohm | because he did not like the busybox gpl license. | Feb 14 00:01 |
| oiaohm | The protections of not following . and .. on rm are also not part of the posix standard. | Feb 14 00:01 |
| MinceR | the shell using glob and not regex is probably part of posix | Feb 14 00:02 |
| oiaohm | No glob is part of the posix standard. | Feb 14 00:02 |
| MinceR | also, somehow all unixes seem to ship with correctly working rm | Feb 14 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Not all do. | Feb 14 00:02 |
| MinceR | wait, i'll guess | Feb 14 00:03 |
| MinceR | slowlaris! | Feb 14 00:03 |
| oiaohm | slowlaris is right. It HPUX some versions and SCO old offering you had to watch out for deadly rm. | Feb 14 00:03 |
| MinceR | btw, good news for you, i found out recently that sunview also has large parts of the gui in the kernel | Feb 14 00:03 |
| MinceR | i never would have guessed that sun also managed to amass such incompetent people | Feb 14 00:04 |
| oiaohm | Poettering in the rm case had followed standard. | Feb 14 00:04 |
| oiaohm | Just somecases you don't want to follow posix standard. | Feb 14 00:04 |
| oiaohm | because its path to nightmare. | Feb 14 00:04 |
| oiaohm | You would think after all these years someone would have added the correction to standard but the answer is nop. | Feb 14 00:05 |
| MinceR | i guess this is the sort of stuff why GNU has the POSIX_ME_HARDER switch | Feb 14 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I wrong it was updated in the 2004 posix standard. | Feb 14 00:06 |
| MinceR | also iirc whether the . and .. entries actually exist depends on the filesystem | Feb 14 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Before that it was right. | Feb 14 00:06 |
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| MinceR | the driver can just emulate them if it's more convenient to the developers | Feb 14 00:07 |
| oiaohm | go stupid on . and .. | Feb 14 00:07 |
| MinceR | strange, usually poettering doesn't reach back to 2003 | Feb 14 00:07 |
| oiaohm | If either of the files dot or dot-dot are specified as the basename portion of an operand (that is, the final pathname component), rm shall write a diagnostic message to standard error and do nothing more with such operands. << this line was added to the posix standard 2004 | Feb 14 00:07 |
| oiaohm | You have to allow that poettering training on posix like the developer of toybox quite a long way back. | Feb 14 00:09 |
| oiaohm | It common to see poettering making mistakes that were acceptable by posix before 2003. | Feb 14 00:09 |
| MinceR | maybe he should also get training on common sense and (more importantly) software engineering | Feb 14 00:10 |
| MinceR | or, better yet, a supervisor that has those skills | Feb 14 00:10 |
| oiaohm | At least get use to using current verison of standards. | Feb 14 00:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that rm one is not a one off where he said is this not how unix does it then have people point out no. After while you notice that is pre 2003 stuff he has to be basing is selections on between what he has got right and what he as got wrong. | Feb 14 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Hes answers are all right for prior to 2003. | Feb 14 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Feb 14 00:13 |
| oiaohm | for before 2003. | Feb 14 00:13 |
| MinceR | i doubt that | Feb 14 00:13 |
| oiaohm | I was surprise that it was the case as well. | Feb 14 00:15 |
| oiaohm | You are not expecting someone working on a pulseaudio/systemd to be out of date that way. | Feb 14 00:15 |
| MinceR | he did say to ignore posix, though :> | Feb 14 00:16 |
| oiaohm | Yes it explains a set of pulseaudio less secure api usage and systemd less secure api usage. | Feb 14 00:16 |
| oiaohm | because like newer string functions came in 2004 and newer. | Feb 14 00:16 |
| MinceR | strange, those got plenty of hype due to the recognition of the importance of security | Feb 14 00:17 |
| oiaohm | I agree its strange. | Feb 14 00:17 |
| oiaohm | He has ignored posix and the updates to posix that releate to security fixs. | Feb 14 00:18 |
| MinceR | does his code use gets() too? | Feb 14 00:18 |
| oiaohm | there were some in early systemd code. | Feb 14 00:18 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 14 00:18 |
| MinceR | were they shipped in a "stable" release? | Feb 14 00:19 |
| MinceR | (of fedora or otherwise) | Feb 14 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Early those were removed before stable relese as far as I can see. | Feb 14 00:19 |
| oiaohm | But still those should not have been put in the code in the first place at the time the code started being written. | Feb 14 00:19 |
| MinceR | maybe the reason we see so many fucked up things in systemd is that there was such a massive amount of fucked up things in the code that nobody could find them _all_ | Feb 14 00:19 |
| oiaohm | The ideas around systemd design is good. Implementation I will give you have been a horrible. Nightmare horrible once you start notice old out of date coding methods. | Feb 14 00:21 |
| MinceR | taking smaller bites would have helped though | Feb 14 00:21 |
| MinceR | no, they are not good | Feb 14 00:21 |
| oiaohm | Out of date coding methods lead to security hell. | Feb 14 00:21 |
| MinceR | implementing everything in a God Daemon is not a good idea | Feb 14 00:21 |
| MinceR | having the God Daemon run as PID 1, as root, is an even worse idea | Feb 14 00:21 |
| MinceR | this is software engineering 101 | Feb 14 00:21 |
| MinceR | well, the first one is | Feb 14 00:22 |
| MinceR | the second is more specific to unix-like kernels that handle PID 1 specially | Feb 14 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Bad news here embedded world that pottering came from working from having a embedded device where the only program was PID1 was in fact normal. | Feb 14 00:22 |
| MinceR | i see | Feb 14 00:23 |
| oiaohm | software engineering 101 go out window with those working with restricted ram at times. | Feb 14 00:23 |
| MinceR | incredibly provincial "thinking" | Feb 14 00:23 |
| MinceR | seriously not the sort of person i want to design the OS i'm using. | Feb 14 00:23 |
| MinceR | (even if they lie about it and claim their OS is an "init system") | Feb 14 00:24 |
| oiaohm | His history makes him the wrong project lead. | Feb 14 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Like watching pipewire vs pulseaudio. pirewire is being done more multi service and is making a lot more sense that way. | Feb 14 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Different systemd conferences have had other people I think would be better systemd leads talking about breaking the current PID1 into multi services. | Feb 14 00:26 |
| oiaohm | Like getting configuration processing out of PID1 completely. | Feb 14 00:26 |
| oiaohm | systemd with the right project lead could come quite good. pottering is good to get a prototype off the ground and prove the basic ideas are workable. He just not the one you want doing the final product. | Feb 14 00:28 |
| MinceR | systemd with the right project lead wouldn't be systemd | Feb 14 00:29 |
| MinceR | it is the fundamental design flaws systemd is all about what make it systemd | Feb 14 00:30 |
| MinceR | otherwise you could have a bunch of _truly_ independent projects using unixy APIs to interact when needed | Feb 14 00:30 |
| MinceR | and then you wouldn't have a lot of services reinvented badly just for the heck of it | Feb 14 00:31 |
| MinceR | like the ntp client and the dns resolver | Feb 14 00:31 |
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| MinceR | and then you wouldn't have udev wired into this mess | Feb 14 00:32 |
| MinceR | it would be yet another independent project | Feb 14 00:32 |
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| oiaohm | Have a stack of independents projects was one of the distribution nightmare because they were not synced with each other. | Feb 14 00:35 |
| oiaohm | and were not testing with each other. | Feb 14 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Bringing the projects under one roof as systemd has been doing has not exactly been the wrong thing. | Feb 14 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Having consolekit require x version of sysvinit and udev require y and they been in fact incompadible did happen a few times. | Feb 14 00:36 |
| oiaohm | the ntp client in systemd is a more basic client that in fact has a usage case in LAN. | Feb 14 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes drift correction inside a LAN causes nightmares. | Feb 14 00:37 |
| MinceR | there's no need to sync them | Feb 14 00:38 |
| MinceR | they just need proper, minimal, well defined interfaces | Feb 14 00:38 |
| MinceR | testing with each other is a distro thing | Feb 14 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Not really workable. | Feb 14 00:38 |
| MinceR | and apparently even red hat is struggling a lot with making systemd into something resembling stable releases | Feb 14 00:39 |
| MinceR | see what DaemonFC[m] said about that subject | Feb 14 00:39 |
| oiaohm | By the time distributions test and find an error this would be months latter. | Feb 14 00:39 |
| MinceR | so what | Feb 14 00:39 |
| oiaohm | By then the coder who has caused the problem is no longer around to explain why they were doing the change or don't remember why they were doing the change. | Feb 14 00:39 |
| MinceR | there will be systems where the projects under development work (those of the developers) | Feb 14 00:40 |
| MinceR | bringing them together is the distributors' job | Feb 14 00:40 |
| MinceR | the coder shouldn't have to explain things | Feb 14 00:40 |
| MinceR | that's what documentation is for | Feb 14 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Ummm? | Feb 14 00:40 |
| oiaohm | You seen the lack of documentation. | Feb 14 00:40 |
| MinceR | you know, the thing the red hat guys are really averse to | Feb 14 00:40 |
| MinceR | commenting the code | Feb 14 00:40 |
| oiaohm | commenting code is not a redhat only problem. | Feb 14 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Ie lack of commenting code. | Feb 14 00:41 |
| MinceR | doesn't make it into a non-problem | Feb 14 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Just look at the lInux kernel. | Feb 14 00:41 |
| oiaohm | redhat coders in fact put more comments in than the adverage. | Feb 14 00:41 |
| oiaohm | But of course that is no where near what it should be to be useful. | Feb 14 00:41 |
| MinceR | then the solution to the problem is not to royally fuck up modularity and forget about cohesion | Feb 14 00:41 |
| MinceR | but to start documenting the damn code | Feb 14 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Resources to document code. | Feb 14 00:42 |
| MinceR | besides, how is developer turnover even so high that this is a problem? | Feb 14 00:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, it costs resources to develop good software | Feb 14 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Systemd is more documented than the mix of sysvinit parts required before it. | Feb 14 00:42 |
| MinceR | it takes much more than just typing in half-baked shitty code in write-only mode | Feb 14 00:42 |
| MinceR | doesn't help | Feb 14 00:43 |
| MinceR | as systemd is trying to do a thousand things at once | Feb 14 00:43 |
| MinceR | sysvinit is doing too much, but not _that_ much | Feb 14 00:43 |
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| MinceR | plus sysvinit should be known by the distro maintainers who deal with it already | Feb 14 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Bring under 1 roof made the project systemd large enough for some companies to justify sending documetnation writers. | Feb 14 00:43 |
| MinceR | systemd is brand new and subject to constant churn | Feb 14 00:43 |
| MinceR | again, why do they work around organization issues by introducing design flaws? | Feb 14 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Its the bad way the world works. | Feb 14 00:44 |
| MinceR | no, it is not | Feb 14 00:44 |
| oiaohm | It is. | Feb 14 00:44 |
| MinceR | GNU/Linux used to work a lot better before poettering and proprietarydesktop fucked it up | Feb 14 00:45 |
| MinceR | hell, even gnome was a hell of a lot better | Feb 14 00:45 |
| MinceR | it actually put the user in control | Feb 14 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Many parts distributions had been using it init with before poettering had maintainers missing for years at times. | Feb 14 00:45 |
| MinceR | now you aren't even supposed to change what color the panel is because oh no, the Holy Branding | Feb 14 00:45 |
| oiaohm | If you cannto get a code maintainer you have no chance getting a documetnation writer. | Feb 14 00:45 |
| MinceR | it used to be about choice | Feb 14 00:45 |
| MinceR | now it's about self-appointed experts making choices for us all | Feb 14 00:45 |
| MinceR | and they suck at it | Feb 14 00:45 |
| oiaohm | choice is one thing. But you have to have the resources to make that choice properly functional and documented. | Feb 14 00:46 |
| MinceR | not all of them | Feb 14 00:46 |
| MinceR | we could deal with making choices at our own risk | Feb 14 00:46 |
| MinceR | and it worked | Feb 14 00:46 |
| oiaohm | At least one of 1. | Feb 14 00:46 |
| MinceR | partly because the interfaces were small and well defined | Feb 14 00:46 |
| oiaohm | ops | Feb 14 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Where do you get well defined. | Feb 14 00:47 |
| MinceR | doesn't work? throw it out, try another one. | Feb 14 00:47 |
| MinceR | but if you have systemd, you can't throw out one thing | Feb 14 00:47 |
| oiaohm | stuff like udev, consolekit .... were not well documented at all. | Feb 14 00:47 |
| MinceR | you can throw out the entire OS | Feb 14 00:47 |
| MinceR | and gnome goes with it | Feb 14 00:47 |
| oiaohm | 3/4 of the current udev documentation only came into existance after systemd got a documentation writers. | Feb 14 00:47 |
| MinceR | i get well defined in stuff like interfaces between X server and X client, window manager and applications, standard unix command line tools | Feb 14 00:47 |
| MinceR | maybe they should have focused on fixing udev, then | Feb 14 00:48 |
| MinceR | it's not as sexy as reinventing the OS, but it would have resulted in something that works | Feb 14 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Its not just udev that got a massive increase in documentation. All the project pulled into systemd did. | Feb 14 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Its having enough workload for the documentation is part of the problem. | Feb 14 00:49 |
| MinceR | you don't have to write so much documentation for the interfaces if the interfaces aren't so damn huge | Feb 14 00:49 |
| MinceR | you don't have to write so much documentation for your project if your project isn't trying to do everything | Feb 14 00:49 |
| oiaohm | And if you don't need very much documentation a company is not going to give you documentation writers time. | Feb 14 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Its a problem how to get enough resoruces with enough flex to do the documentation well. | Feb 14 00:50 |
| MinceR | coders should have the ability to document their code | Feb 14 00:51 |
| MinceR | it makes little sense for example to have someone else document what a given function does and what its parameters mean | Feb 14 00:51 |
| oiaohm | You don't have techincal writers and coders as two different people for no reason. | Feb 14 00:52 |
| MinceR | yeah, but i'm not talking about user documentation | Feb 14 00:52 |
| MinceR | i'm talking about code documentation | Feb 14 00:52 |
| oiaohm | The idea that coders can document there code in ways that even other coders can perfectly understand alone is wrong. | Feb 14 00:52 |
| MinceR | which systemd was sorely lacking when i looked at it | Feb 14 00:52 |
| MinceR | doesn't have to be perfect | Feb 14 00:52 |
| oiaohm | At this stage systemd does not have a maintainer in charge of documentation team. | Feb 14 00:53 |
| MinceR | i just don't want to trace and read _all_ the code of _all_ the functions that get called so i can get an idea of what 1 function does | Feb 14 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Of course the job of who is in charge of documentation team is to chase up on areas that are not properly documented. | Feb 14 00:53 |
| oiaohm | We are starting to see this happen in the Linux kernel at long last. | Feb 14 00:53 |
| MinceR | i also don't want to trace and read _all_ the code of _all_ the functions that get called so i can get an idea of what a data structure means | Feb 14 00:54 |
| oiaohm | I agree but that is what the head of documentation is require for. | Feb 14 00:54 |
| oiaohm | we had a head of coding writing with the head of documetnation way too much in FOSS. | Feb 14 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Ie when head of coding and head of documentation is the one person. The objective of lets make program work over rules writting any documentation and you get deep and deep into a hours and hours of need work to make the documetnation. | Feb 14 00:57 |
| oiaohm | You need one person who only objective is decent documentation and another person who only objective is the code quality. | Feb 14 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Yes those being at each other neck at times. | Feb 14 00:58 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: you may not like systemd pulling all the different projects under one project but all of them were in the pit of hell needing documentation work, | Feb 14 01:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and some of them were suffering from AFK maintainers. | Feb 14 01:01 |
| MinceR | individually there was a chance that at least some of them could be useful | Feb 14 01:05 |
| MinceR | together they form a broken, malicious mess | Feb 14 01:05 |
| MinceR | individually, it's enough for one project to be useful to you, then you can use it | Feb 14 01:05 |
| MinceR | in a hairball like systemd, they must _all_ be good enough for any of them to be useful | Feb 14 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Those doing embedded commonly build just segements of systemd. | Feb 14 01:06 |
| MinceR | and that would be unlikely even if it wasn't a project run by extremely incompetent people who are absolutely full of themselves | Feb 14 01:06 |
| oiaohm | So it not quite the hair ball you make out. | Feb 14 01:06 |
| MinceR | yeah, and poettering claims no parts work without the other | Feb 14 01:06 |
| MinceR | and they use undocumented dbugs APIs | Feb 14 01:06 |
| MinceR | gnome uses them too | Feb 14 01:06 |
| MinceR | have fun figuring out what part of the mess you can use | Feb 14 01:06 |
| oiaohm | sorry where do you get undocumented dbus apis. | Feb 14 01:06 |
| MinceR | probably from you | Feb 14 01:07 |
| oiaohm | That is one thing systemd does not have. | Feb 14 01:07 |
| MinceR | in any case, i need to sleep | Feb 14 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Before systemd there were a lot of undocumented dbus apis. | Feb 14 01:07 |
| MinceR | maybe i got it from someone complaining about what a mess logind was to work with | Feb 14 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Using in different projct systemd brought in. | Feb 14 01:07 |
| oiaohm | logind interface is fully documented | Feb 14 01:07 |
| oiaohm | by a proper documentation writer. | Feb 14 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Logind interfaace was only party documented before systemd existed. | Feb 14 01:08 |
| oiaohm | logind predates systemd by the way. | Feb 14 01:08 |
| MinceR | i'll just wait until they stop trying to force their software on me, fix the design, fix the implementation, properly test the whole thing and make an actual stable release | Feb 14 01:09 |
| MinceR | none of which is likely to happen | Feb 14 01:09 |
| MinceR | but until that all happens, their work has zero value to me at best | Feb 14 01:09 |
| MinceR | and of course all of which would be much easier if systemd had a scope | Feb 14 01:10 |
| MinceR | which it doesn't | Feb 14 01:10 |
| MinceR | also, logind predating systemd doesn't make logind any less of the broken, malicious mess it is, which likes to kill users' processes when nobody asked it to | Feb 14 01:10 |
| MinceR | and until the attitude that led to this behavior is fixed, [e]logind will never become a trustworthy piece of software | Feb 14 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Killing users processes on logout that was decided before systemd existance. Was at one point to be the default in consolekit before redhat ended that. | Feb 14 01:12 |
| oiaohm | logind started out of attempting to documentat consolekit internal interfaces. | Feb 14 01:12 |
| MinceR | it wasn't decided by me | Feb 14 01:12 |
| MinceR | and it wasn't decided by the people who designed unix | Feb 14 01:12 |
| MinceR | and it has no place on any machine i use | Feb 14 01:13 |
| oiaohm | consolekit has no mean in unix world either. | Feb 14 01:13 |
| MinceR | consolekit sucks as well | Feb 14 01:13 |
| MinceR | the 'kit' at the end should have been a giveaway | Feb 14 01:13 |
| oiaohm | systemd is a collect of projects that sucked before they were merged. | Feb 14 01:13 |
| MinceR | and now they suck harder than ever | Feb 14 01:13 |
| oiaohm | sucked for different reasons. | Feb 14 01:14 |
| MinceR | and they're harder to get rid of than ever | Feb 14 01:14 |
| oiaohm | at least mostly now they don't all suck due to lack of documentation. | Feb 14 01:14 |
| MinceR | apparently the solution to bad software is being forced to use said bad software | Feb 14 01:14 |
| MinceR | microsoft figured this one out long ago | Feb 14 01:14 |
| oiaohm | It double sided being forced to see the bad software as the interlinked group means you cannot go hey sysvinit sux as X and udev sux at y and consolekit sucks as z. The result with systemd merge is systemd suxs at xy and z. | Feb 14 01:16 |
| oiaohm | It also means you cannot think of those problems in isolation. | Feb 14 01:17 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit might be not doing X well because consolekit is not doing something. | Feb 14 01:17 |
| oiaohm | This is the fragmentation problem. | Feb 14 01:17 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/OmgV5o4.jpg | Feb 14 08:28 |
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| kaniini | updated to kernel 4.20 from 4.19 | Feb 14 09:45 |
| kaniini | box is pretty stable now | Feb 14 09:45 |
| kaniini | i also disabled "energy efficient memory mode" whatever the fuck that is | Feb 14 09:46 |
| kaniini | smells like undervolting | Feb 14 09:46 |
| schestowitz | aha | Feb 14 10:14 |
| schestowitz | well, it has worked a lot better lately, kaniini | Feb 14 10:14 |
| kaniini | yes | Feb 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | I also started, albeit it's pre 1.0, promoting pleroma | Feb 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz | I fget some negative emails regarding mastodon | Feb 14 10:15 |
| kaniini | probably because the DDR4 ram is running at voltages it is supposed to run at | Feb 14 10:15 |
| kaniini | instead of 1V | Feb 14 10:15 |
| kaniini | the lowest tolerated voltage for DDR4 is 1.2 | Feb 14 10:16 |
| schestowitz | surprised this made it past QA | Feb 14 10:16 |
| kaniini | well | Feb 14 10:16 |
| schestowitz | it's not even an 'exotic' brand, it's expensive POWER* | Feb 14 10:16 |
| kaniini | their expensive as fuck fully-buffered RAM option | Feb 14 10:16 |
| kaniini | operates fine in this eco mode | Feb 14 10:16 |
| kaniini | it is only the IS configurations | Feb 14 10:16 |
| kaniini | where it can fuck up | Feb 14 10:16 |
| schestowitz | I read some pages recently about elixir | Feb 14 10:16 |
| schestowitz | didn't check the source code of pleroma though, just saw your commits and the gitlab page | Feb 14 10:17 |
| kaniini | we've actually gotten some porn sites | Feb 14 10:17 |
| kaniini | which want to use pleroma to link into the whole fediverse thing | Feb 14 10:18 |
| kaniini | that might be interesting | Feb 14 10:18 |
| kaniini | i mean, if you think about it, porn is pretty good at bringing stuff into mainstream | Feb 14 10:18 |
| schestowitz | porn is not illegal | Feb 14 10:18 |
| schestowitz | but some smut brings a bad name | Feb 14 10:18 |
| schestowitz | like lollies in mastodon | Feb 14 10:19 |
| schestowitz | I see lolli crap going past my timeline sometimes because I almost blindly follow back | Feb 14 10:19 |
| kaniini | there's a lot of that in fediverse in general | Feb 14 10:19 |
| *schestowitz looks for article | Feb 14 10:20 | |
| kaniini | GNU Social was largely coopted for the sharing of that content | Feb 14 10:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2017/08/18/mastodon-is-big-in-japan-the-reason-why-is-uncomfortable/ | Feb 14 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ethanzuckerman.com | Mastodon is big in Japan. The reason why is… uncomfortable | … My heart’s in Accra | Feb 14 10:20 | |
| schestowitz | That's the one I had in mind | Feb 14 10:20 |
| kaniini | that article is actually wrong | Feb 14 10:20 |
| kaniini | the reason Mastodon is big in Japan is because of Japanese right-wing nationalism | Feb 14 10:20 |
| kaniini | Japanese fediverse is a scary place | Feb 14 10:20 |
| schestowitz | comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15053064 https://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/6up5l1/mastodon_is_big_in_japan_the_reason_why_is/ | Feb 14 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Mastodon is big in Japan, and the reason why is uncomfortable | Hacker News | Feb 14 10:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Mastodon is big in Japan. The reason why is… uncomfortable : japan | Feb 14 10:21 | |
| kaniini | if those anime fans knew enough japanese to see what the typical conversations on japanese fedi were | Feb 14 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Gab seems to have vanished off the radar | Feb 14 10:21 |
| kaniini | they would nope the fuck out of there | Feb 14 10:21 |
| kaniini | probably for the better, Gab was a scam anyway | Feb 14 10:21 |
| schestowitz | made @a rich | Feb 14 10:22 |
| kaniini | yeah, and he kept not paying his hosting bill | Feb 14 10:22 |
| kaniini | and calling it censorship | Feb 14 10:22 |
| kaniini | ;) | Feb 14 10:22 |
| schestowitz | until coinbase et al defunded him and chased him from place to place | Feb 14 10:22 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know he wasn't paying | Feb 14 10:22 |
| kaniini | yeah | Feb 14 10:22 |
| kaniini | that's what a contact of mine at joyent told me | Feb 14 10:23 |
| kaniini | they actually turned gab off | Feb 14 10:23 |
| kaniini | for non-payment | Feb 14 10:23 |
| schestowitz | well, maybe he can look for rich allies like Thiel | Feb 14 10:23 |
| schestowitz | maybe they can donate some dosh | Feb 14 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Like father (Trump), like son. Con men not paying the contractors... | Feb 14 10:24 |
| schestowitz | Then >still< filing for bankruptcy. 6 times. | Feb 14 10:24 |
| *schestowitz didn't know gab did the victim card as a self-imposed publicity stunt | Feb 14 10:27 | |
| schestowitz | g'night, kaniini | Feb 14 10:33 |
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| XRevan86 | Good thing DPRK has compatible hardware and software? | Feb 14 23:55 |
| MinceR | well, it's not like they have the technology to build their own :> | Feb 14 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | [root@techrights tmp]# ls -la | Feb 15 06:18 |
| schestowitz | drwx------. 3 root root 17 Feb 4 20:57 systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-chronyd.service-QOyxik | Feb 15 06:18 |
| schestowitz | drwx------. 3 root root 17 Feb 4 20:57 systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-httpd.service-7Nis70 | Feb 15 06:18 |
| schestowitz | drwx------. 3 root root 17 Feb 4 20:57 systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-mariadb.service-O3FjIw | Feb 15 06:18 |
| schestowitz | wtf are those systemd files? | Feb 15 06:18 |
| schestowitz | the httpd one filled up tmp for a number of years if I don't empty | Feb 15 06:19 |
| schestowitz | what is this idiotiv engineering and how do I stop it piling up | Feb 15 06:19 |
| schestowitz | du /tmp/systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-* | Feb 15 06:20 |
| schestowitz | 0 /tmp/systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-chronyd.service-QOyxik/tmp | Feb 15 06:20 |
| schestowitz | 0 /tmp/systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-chronyd.service-QOyxik | Feb 15 06:20 |
| schestowitz | 374416 /tmp/systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-httpd.service-7Nis70/tmp | Feb 15 06:20 |
| schestowitz | 374416 /tmp/systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-httpd.service-7Nis70 | Feb 15 06:20 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Those are private tmpdirs for services. | Feb 15 06:20 |
| schestowitz | can I stop these filling up the /tmp partition? | Feb 15 06:20 |
| schestowitz | except manually deleting them periodically? | Feb 15 06:20 |
| schestowitz | tessier noticed the same thing last year | Feb 15 06:21 |
| schestowitz | I used to not understand why I could not upload files until httpd was restarted | Feb 15 06:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: They shouldn't fill it up, they should be removed when a corresponding service is stopped. | Feb 15 06:21 |
| schestowitz | and I think it boiled down to /tmp filling up | Feb 15 06:21 |
| schestowitz | right, but I don't want to stop apache just for systemd to kindly free up space before it fills up a partition | Feb 15 06:22 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how many other people run into this same problem | Feb 15 06:22 |
| schestowitz | worse: it has another ID each time it starts, so writing a cron job to empty it is not simple | Feb 15 06:23 |
| schestowitz | systemd seems to just not care if it's filling up this entire partition with files that look like opaque cruft | Feb 15 06:23 |
| schestowitz | p | Feb 15 06:24 |
| schestowitz | [root@techrights tmp]# ls | Feb 15 06:24 |
| schestowitz | magick-3iuW1FQa sess_75qqs03jl1tm797skol3c0l097 sess_egs5gpfgaf1bn672mqgvvfnud7 sess_o5jddn621ln93lda69j5hd7ss2 | Feb 15 06:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What's inside them is the consern of the daemon itself. In this case, Apache httpd apparently. | Feb 15 06:25 |
| schestowitz | the magick files are the large ones | Feb 15 06:26 |
| XRevan86 | Wait, what are those… | Feb 15 06:26 |
| cubexyz | I'd recommend using slackware or some non-systemd distro | Feb 15 06:26 |
| schestowitz | when I upload images it resizes them etc. | Feb 15 06:26 |
| XRevan86 | I get that it's probably a leftover from ImageMagick, but… why | Feb 15 06:27 |
| schestowitz | this has been like it for years | Feb 15 06:29 |
| schestowitz | [23:55] <XRevan86> Good thing DPRK has compatible hardware and software? | Feb 15 06:29 |
| schestowitz | yesterday I spent some hours listening to Nork-y music (very rare), found it amusing how much Kim propaganda they interject into the music | Feb 15 06:30 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Could ImageMagick be crushing and leaving cruft behind? | Feb 15 06:30 |
| schestowitz | (even in English language) | Feb 15 06:30 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: possible, but why leave these files around? | Feb 15 06:31 |
| schestowitz | https://github.com/ImageMagick/ImageMagick/issues/395 | Feb 15 06:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ImageMagick creates huge temporary files · Issue #395 · ImageMagick/ImageMagick · GitHub | Feb 15 06:31 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: When one's crashing, one doesn't clean after oneself. | Feb 15 06:31 |
| schestowitz | find /tmp -maxdepth 3 -type f -name "magick-*" | Feb 15 06:33 |
| schestowitz | /tmp/systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-httpd.service-7Nis70/tmp/magick-RtW4LPlq | Feb 15 06:33 |
| schestowitz | /tmp/systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-httpd.service-7Nis70/tmp/magick-JlxFPU3n | Feb 15 06:33 |
| schestowitz | /tmp/systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-httpd.service-7Nis70/tmp/magick-VKgxDLpP | Feb 15 06:33 |
| XRevan86 | It is somewhat odd that the package maintainer gave httpd a private tmpdir. | Feb 15 06:34 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: makes sense now | Feb 15 06:35 |
| schestowitz | so the crashes, which I saw | Feb 15 06:35 |
| schestowitz | left this mess | Feb 15 06:35 |
| XRevan86 | Another odd thing is that those magick files are in two separate locations. Could they be of different eras? | Feb 15 06:35 |
| schestowitz | I added a cron job with -delete | Feb 15 06:35 |
| schestowitz | as it's risky when I'm away and cannot access the back end for a long time | Feb 15 06:35 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: no, they all go into the same dir | Feb 15 06:35 |
| schestowitz | named after the session | Feb 15 06:36 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ah, I see. I thought they're in /tmp. | Feb 15 06:36 |
| schestowitz | but I suppose by crafting many requests one could fill up /tmp remotely | Feb 15 06:36 |
| XRevan86 | > [root@techrights tmp]# ls | Feb 15 06:37 |
| *schestowitz shudders having to go to an MSFT site, github, to diagnose Linux things | Feb 15 06:37 | |
| schestowitz | s tmp]# pwd | Feb 15 06:38 |
| schestowitz | /tmp/systemd-private-3e071db07485492b8a906a4623834444-httpd.service-7Nis70/tmp | Feb 15 06:38 |
| cubexyz | what does github run on? | Feb 15 06:38 |
| cubexyz | is it a linux or...? | Feb 15 06:38 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Of course it is. | Feb 15 06:38 |
| schestowitz | I guess so | Feb 15 06:38 |
| schestowitz | check netcraft | Feb 15 06:38 |
| cubexyz | netcraft says linux or unknown | Feb 15 06:40 |
| schestowitz | Linux gives you choices. It's not a one-size-fits-all operating system or desktop environment like Windows and Apple. | Feb 15 06:40 |
| schestowitz | And in most incidences, when a security problem is discovered in Linux, users don't have to wait until the second Tuesday of next month for it to be patched. Linux patches are usually released even before the press has time to post the story. | Feb 15 06:40 |
| schestowitz | Linux is also decentralized, as jdixon points out. There are multiple teams working on different aspects of the Linux experience, rather than one mega-corporation that has to answer to their board of directs and share holders. | Feb 15 06:40 |
| cubexyz | depending on which subdomain | Feb 15 06:40 |
| schestowitz | When you take profit out of the equation, the only thing you are left with is a drive for excellence. | Feb 15 06:40 |
| schestowitz | ^quote from http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36581/ | Feb 15 06:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LXer: Stop your whining: How Microsoft Ignores Millions of Windows 10 Version 1809 Users | Feb 15 06:41 | |
| cubexyz | right, there's no one corporation that controls everything | Feb 15 06:42 |
| cubexyz | actually some of my customers are still using XP | Feb 15 06:42 |
| cubexyz | I was asking around, surprised me a bit | Feb 15 06:42 |
| schestowitz | what's with masta*? | Feb 15 06:42 |
| schestowitz | is mastodon going sort of proprietary? | Feb 15 06:42 |
| schestowitz | one argument I heard is that some cutting-edge stuff (code) isn't make "dev" or public | Feb 15 06:43 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Did they disable USB stick autorun? (: | Feb 15 06:43 |
| schestowitz | and that this is what some of the commotion is about | Feb 15 06:43 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, some of the XP boxes were just not connected to the internet | Feb 15 06:43 |
| cubexyz | one guy had a bunch of XP boxes and one win7 box | Feb 15 06:44 |
| cubexyz | only the win7 box had an internet connection | Feb 15 06:44 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Apparently gargron's been merging merge requests on mastosoc before the master branch. | Feb 15 06:44 |
| schestowitz | what good is a PC these days without a connection? Image editing? Text? Photo frame? | Feb 15 06:44 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: As preliminary testing | Feb 15 06:44 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, probably not, re: USB stick autorun, I better mention that | Feb 15 06:44 |
| *schestowitz looks up mastosoc | Feb 15 06:45 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: This really doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me… | Feb 15 06:45 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: mastodon.social | Feb 15 06:45 |
| schestowitz | https://mastodon.social/@clacke/101584397733569414 | Feb 15 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | clacke@libranet.de ❌: "@clacke@libranet.de Ok root post arrived MastoSoc…" - Mastodon | Feb 15 06:46 | |
| XRevan86 | AGPL doesn't require one to publish on git publicly. | Feb 15 06:46 |
| schestowitz | ah, masto social | Feb 15 06:46 |
| schestowitz | (the domain) | Feb 15 06:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: yes, the instance | Feb 15 06:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 06:47 |
| schestowitz | Home to | Feb 15 06:47 |
| schestowitz | 306,101 | Feb 15 06:47 |
| schestowitz | users | Feb 15 06:47 |
| schestowitz | Who authored | Feb 15 06:47 |
| schestowitz | 12,473,473 | Feb 15 06:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 06:47 |
| XRevan86 | And if someone mails gargron to get the code that's running there, he's legally obligated to give it. | Feb 15 06:47 |
| schestowitz | https://fediverse.network/pleroma.site | Feb 15 06:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fediverse.network | pleroma.site - Pleroma — The Fediverse Network | Feb 15 06:47 | |
| XRevan86 | I am not aware if anyone has. | Feb 15 06:48 |
| schestowitz | https://fediverse.network/pleroma.site/stats | Feb 15 06:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fediverse.network | pleroma.site statistics — The Fediverse Network | Feb 15 06:48 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: mastosoc is ginormous | Feb 15 06:48 |
| schestowitz | https://fediverse.network/pleroma.site/timeline | Feb 15 06:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fediverse.network | pleroma.site Timeline — The Fediverse Network | Feb 15 06:49 | |
| XRevan86 | It's the new identi.ca or joindiaspora.com | Feb 15 06:49 |
| XRevan86 | (or quitter.se) | Feb 15 06:50 |
| cubexyz | I guess mastodon could replace facebook? | Feb 15 06:54 |
| cubexyz | or maybe it's more like twitter, I really don't know much about it | Feb 15 06:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's more like Twitter. | Feb 15 06:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And in most incidences, when a security problem is discovered in Linux, users don't have to wait until the second Tuesday of next month for it to be patched. Linux patches are usually released even before the press has time to post the story. | Feb 15 07:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, there are many updates every day on Fedora. | Feb 15 07:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You install them and the problem is solved. | Feb 15 07:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Microsoft out-of-band "emergency updates" screw things up even more often than the regularly scheduled ones do. | Feb 15 07:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In many cases, Microsoft has fixed bugs and won't release the hotfix unless you specifically requested them, one at a time. They never hit Windows Update at all and were a problem in XP for more than a decade in some cases and most people never got the patch. | Feb 15 07:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their reasoning was that the bug was unlikely to be encountered and they didn't want to spend time doing quality assurance to make sure it didn't break certain applications that may have become dependent on the bug. | Feb 15 07:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they put it up on their KB as "at your own risk". | Feb 15 07:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And with Windows XP, there were over 50 of these. | Feb 15 07:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With Windows 10, they simply don't bother to stop and fix anything. | Feb 15 07:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | FLAC playback has been broken since last April, and they broke it even worse with the October update. | Feb 15 07:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At first, it would play fine, but Windows couldn't parse the tag data. | Feb 15 07:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now the first minute or so of the file is silent. | Feb 15 07:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, how does this shit happen? | Feb 15 07:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 isn't any more stable now than it was in 2015. | Feb 15 07:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has about the same number and severity of bugs at any given time. | Feb 15 07:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | New ones are added as quickly as old ones geet fixed. | Feb 15 07:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you're really just upgrading to find out what works and what doesn't now. | Feb 15 07:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Provided that the update itself doesn't fail. | Feb 15 07:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had more crashes with Windows 10 in one month (Blue Screen of Death) on this laptop in late 2016 than I've had Linux kernel panics between 1999 and now. | Feb 15 07:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I average about one Linux kernel panic every 6 years. | Feb 15 07:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 blue screened on me five times in a single month. | Feb 15 07:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, why on Earth would anyone be using Windows with a deficient "Linux Subsystem" that isn't close to fully Linux compatible and has I/O problems that make workloads up to five times slower than running them on Linux? | Feb 15 07:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft says they hope to make the I/O performance bottlenecks less dramatic "eventually". | Feb 15 07:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But a lot of that traces back to "Windows Defender", which bogs down an entire processor core very frequently on just about any Windows 10 system I've ever seen. Microsoft had to write a blog post begging users not to turn it off. | Feb 15 07:41 |
| XRevan86 | Why beg when you can remove the option | Feb 15 07:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Feb 15 07:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They very well might. | Feb 15 07:42 |
| schestowitz | wow. during cleanup at close quiterss takes up 600-700mb of RAM | Feb 15 07:44 |
| schestowitz | I moved to it to escape thunderbird bloat | Feb 15 07:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some of it is because "Defender" is trapping every file system request to check for malware, because Windows is a toxic wasteland full of malware, and paranoia is a way of life over there, and some of the I/O bottlenecks are just Windows not being well designed. | Feb 15 07:44 |
| schestowitz | over time they scale poorly because of large boxes | Feb 15 07:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At a very low level, I mean, not to do with Defender. | Feb 15 07:44 |
| schestowitz | I know someone from that team, DaemonFC[m] | Feb 15 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Not sure what they defend from | Feb 15 07:44 |
| schestowitz | certainly not from spy agencies | Feb 15 07:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not sure what they defend from | Feb 15 07:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it catches some of the non-nation state malware. | Feb 15 07:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Um, they don't might, they have %) | Feb 15 07:46 |
| schestowitz | [06:50] <XRevan86> (or quitter.se) | Feb 15 07:46 |
| schestowitz | That one is still going afaik | Feb 15 07:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They collaborate with the US government to avoid detecting spy agency stuff and then years later when someone else detects it, Microsoft can pretend not to have any knowledge. | Feb 15 07:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: One can only fully disable Defender for a period of time. | Feb 15 07:46 |
| schestowitz | [06:49] <XRevan86> It's the new identi.ca or joindiaspora.com | Feb 15 07:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, they share all of the data that they collect on you with the NSA. | Feb 15 07:46 |
| schestowitz | A year or so ago identi.ca was permanently offline | Feb 15 07:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And Windows directly collects _tons_ of your information. | Feb 15 07:47 |
| schestowitz | before that on and off, for longer periods of time over time | Feb 15 07:47 |
| schestowitz | he also killed his link shortener, orphaning many things I used it for. Evan never cared about preserving old posts of other people | Feb 15 07:47 |
| schestowitz | as he did when moving to pump.io -- about 50,000 of my dents... GONE | Feb 15 07:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith personally confirmed that they share Skype data with the government without demanding a warrant or trying to fight off NSLs. | Feb 15 07:48 |
| schestowitz | It's in PRISM | Feb 15 07:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft started PRISM with the NSA | Feb 15 07:48 |
| schestowitz | months later it cought Skype | Feb 15 07:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why do they care? The more they sell you out, the less likely there is to be more regulatory oversight of their company. | Feb 15 07:48 |
| schestowitz | and then Skype was lumped into it | Feb 15 07:48 |
| schestowitz | you can see the chart in Snowden leaks | Feb 15 07:49 |
| schestowitz | With Dopbox "coming soon" (6 years ago) | Feb 15 07:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yeah, it's a favours system | Feb 15 07:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, there's supposed to be some sort of virtual encrypted file system that's supposed to protect everything you put into Dropbox. | Feb 15 07:49 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I don't see a reason for them to care about their "customers" indeed. | Feb 15 07:49 |
| schestowitz | they also added Windows back doors in 1999 and then antitrust action was scuttled | Feb 15 07:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But who knows. | Feb 15 07:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Better to avoid it. | Feb 15 07:50 |
| schestowitz | same issue here in the UK and Australia | Feb 15 07:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DaemonFC: I don't see a reason for them to care about their "customers" indeed. | Feb 15 07:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who have Windows aren't the customer. They're cattle. | Feb 15 07:50 |
| schestowitz | People won't want to use our stuff. They just won't trust it; and rightly so... | Feb 15 07:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft makes a little money directly on licensing. | Feb 15 07:51 |
| schestowitz | now it's rents | Feb 15 07:51 |
| schestowitz | to corporations | Feb 15 07:51 |
| schestowitz | bulk OEM | Feb 15 07:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But then they sell your info to advertisers and spammers. | Feb 15 07:51 |
| schestowitz | bulk business | Feb 15 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Windows Server overpriced, Office 365 rents, Azure... | Feb 15 07:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Nobody got fired for buying Microsoft." | Feb 15 07:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, maybe it's time to get started. | Feb 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identi.ca | Feb 15 07:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | identi.ca - Wikipedia | Feb 15 07:52 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Doesn't feel true :) | Feb 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/ | Feb 15 07:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Welcome - Identi.ca | Feb 15 07:52 | |
| schestowitz | wow, glyn moody still posts there | Feb 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Alex Oliva also | Feb 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | but not many others | Feb 15 07:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The public libraries use Windows, but there seems to be signs that's changing. | Feb 15 07:52 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: pump.io is still an active network, yes. | Feb 15 07:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Chrome OS is becoming more popular there than it used to be. | Feb 15 07:53 |
| schestowitz | lol, front page boils down to less than half a dozen accounts | Feb 15 07:53 |
| XRevan86 | "active" | Feb 15 07:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a shame what happened to public libraries. | Feb 15 07:53 |
| XRevan86 | pump.io is permanently beta stage software. | Feb 15 07:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First, it was just a proprietary indexing system for books.. | Feb 15 07:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they foisted non-free software on people, including office software that made files in secret formats. | Feb 15 07:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Continuing from there, it was e-books and audiobooks with DRM that requires proprietary software to read. | Feb 15 07:55 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: how long for? | Feb 15 07:55 |
| schestowitz | Half a decade? | Feb 15 07:55 |
| schestowitz | it has not even changed | Feb 15 07:55 |
| schestowitz | if I post there I need to add "Public" manually | Feb 15 07:56 |
| schestowitz | each time | Feb 15 07:56 |
| schestowitz | just to make it public ^_^ | Feb 15 07:56 |
| schestowitz | And it doesn't seem to federate with anything | Feb 15 07:56 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/schestowitz | Feb 15 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dr. Roy Schestowitz - Identi.ca | Feb 15 07:56 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's what I mean, nothing changes there, and nothing ever will. | Feb 15 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I have just added an update | Feb 15 07:56 |
| schestowitz | it's the same as in years ago, no change whatsoever since | Feb 15 07:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This new Riot color scheme and font system is just weird. | Feb 15 07:57 |
| schestowitz | how many accounts are still active there? | Feb 15 07:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe only Evan can tell | Feb 15 07:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: delete Windows | Feb 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | it's a waste of your time | Feb 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | and it's not the future | Feb 15 07:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I did as soon as I could. | Feb 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | it's 20th cent stuff, late century, mostly 90s | Feb 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Android was taking over a decade later | Feb 15 07:58 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I doubt it's actually Evan who hosts identi.ca | Feb 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Google will probably replace it soon | Feb 15 07:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I haven't used it in two years other than trying to figure out what's wrong with John's laptop each month or so. | Feb 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | unless this f*YA! shit is another Google Buzz/+ | Feb 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | I.e. a dud whitewashed as "experiment" or "oops! we had security incident! BYE!" | Feb 15 07:59 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: He dropped pump.io, it's now a "community project". | Feb 15 07:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: BTW... | Feb 15 07:59 |
| schestowitz | in 2009 you told me to try Kubuntu | Feb 15 07:59 |
| schestowitz | I had been using Mandriva | Feb 15 08:00 |
| schestowitz | I am still on Kubuntu, same thing, mostly upgraded in-place | Feb 15 08:00 |
| schestowitz | You had me use the beta or alpha version of it, told me it was already stable enough | Feb 15 08:00 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: with community of zilch | Feb 15 08:00 |
| schestowitz | and it looks like abandoned site and project | Feb 15 08:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was pretty stable for me at the time. | Feb 15 08:01 |
| schestowitz | hard to tell how many people are actively using it, maybe a few dozens | Feb 15 08:01 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/main/login | Feb 15 08:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hopped to Kubuntu for a while because Mandriva was going under and it was a little hard to find a KDE distrubution that was easy to install and use. | Feb 15 08:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Login - Identi.ca | Feb 15 08:01 | |
| schestowitz | "Registrations disabled for new users." | Feb 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | ha! | Feb 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/main/remote | Feb 15 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Remote login - Identi.ca | Feb 15 08:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Login to a remote account" | Feb 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | What other sites even use pump.ip? | Feb 15 08:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not many distributions try packaging KDE properly. Fedora doesn't. | Feb 15 08:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: http://pump.io/tryit redirects to just one | Feb 15 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Try pump.io | Feb 15 08:02 | |
| schestowitz | "pump.io available under the Apache License 2.0." | Feb 15 08:02 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently Jason Self is a diehard fan :) | Feb 15 08:02 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I see no reason to resume posting there | Feb 15 08:03 |
| schestowitz | becayse | Feb 15 08:03 |
| schestowitz | 1) no community | Feb 15 08:03 |
| schestowitz | 2) no development | Feb 15 08:03 |
| schestowitz | 3) no instances, just one orphaned one | Feb 15 08:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Canonical ran off Jonathan Riddell, unfortunately. | Feb 15 08:04 |
| schestowitz | 4) site on and off(line), will probably be shut down in the foreseeable forture, so you just populate some single database in one place and this DB will be DROPped soon | Feb 15 08:04 |
| XRevan86 | 4) if it comes back to life, it already stated it's going the ActivityPub route, so the Pleroma account is sufficient. | Feb 15 08:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yeah | Feb 15 08:04 |
| XRevan86 | * 5) :) | Feb 15 08:04 |
| schestowitz | aha | Feb 15 08:04 |
| schestowitz | ok, good | Feb 15 08:04 |
| schestowitz | the domain is still famous | Feb 15 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I remember the incidents that killed it | Feb 15 08:05 |
| schestowitz | the upgrade of statusnet that had apache issues for days at a time | Feb 15 08:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | KDE runs their own distribution now. Neon. | Feb 15 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Evan could not figure it out and most people never came back to the site when it worked again | Feb 15 08:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's based on Ubuntu LTS, but it's not the same KDE packages that Kubuntu provides. | Feb 15 08:05 |
| schestowitz | that also removed the ability to customise one's own page, e.g. own background image | Feb 15 08:05 |
| schestowitz | the new version, 3 iirc, was worse than the previous | Feb 15 08:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It showcases how they think KDE should be presented. I suppose at the rate things were going, they had to. | Feb 15 08:06 |
| schestowitz | pump.io was when he also threw away ALL old dents, so I was upset | Feb 15 08:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yes, BTW... | Feb 15 08:06 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I remember there being a migration of older notices. | Feb 15 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Jonathan posted in his blog yesterday about G+ | Feb 15 08:06 |
| schestowitz | he was trying to salvage what he had of worth there | Feb 15 08:07 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: if there was, it was never complete | Feb 15 08:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google was pushing it hard for a while and then gave up. | Feb 15 08:07 |
| schestowitz | also, I could not download my dents | Feb 15 08:07 |
| schestowitz | evan said he would work on it, but he never did. Stonewalling | Feb 15 08:07 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2013/05/28/identica-data/ | Feb 15 08:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Identi.ca is Throwing Away Everybody’s Work That Made Identi.ca What it is | Feb 15 08:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They started opting you in for a G+ profile whether you wanted one or not. | Feb 15 08:07 |
| schestowitz | maybe I wrote more about it, but that's the main one | Feb 15 08:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Posting stuff there about you. It ws creepy. | Feb 15 08:08 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's possible, yes. Inactive accounts were also never migrated. | Feb 15 08:08 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: he botched his own site | Feb 15 08:09 |
| schestowitz | several times | Feb 15 08:09 |
| schestowitz | first a bad upgrade | Feb 15 08:09 |
| schestowitz | CMS-wise | Feb 15 08:09 |
| schestowitz | then admin-wise, the downtime | Feb 15 08:09 |
| schestowitz | then dropping the CMS altogether for another | Feb 15 08:09 |
| schestowitz | and then failing to migrate the data | Feb 15 08:09 |
| schestowitz | so in a sense I think he's mostly to blame | Feb 15 08:09 |
| *schestowitz trying to find info on that mysterious cbs/nbc deal identica | Feb 15 08:10 | |
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| schestowitz | "Alexa rankIncrease 316,902 (March 2017" | Feb 15 08:12 |
| schestowitz | "LaunchedJuly 2, 2008; 10 years ago" | Feb 15 08:12 |
| schestowitz | So I was among the first users | Feb 15 08:12 |
| schestowitz | 2008 or very start of 2009 for me | Feb 15 08:12 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Buzz | Feb 15 08:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Google Buzz - Wikipedia | Feb 15 08:13 | |
| schestowitz | "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Buzz" | Feb 15 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Required | Feb 15 08:13 |
| schestowitz | LaunchedFebruary 9, 2010; 9 years ago | Feb 15 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Current statusDiscontinued December 15, 2011 | Feb 15 08:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/evan | Feb 15 08:14 |
| schestowitz | ha | Feb 15 08:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Evan Prodromou - Identi.ca | Feb 15 08:14 | |
| schestowitz | last updates: | Feb 15 08:14 |
| schestowitz | 2 weeks ago | Feb 15 08:14 |
| schestowitz | 2 months ago | Feb 15 08:14 |
| schestowitz | 3 months ago | Feb 15 08:14 |
| schestowitz | then 4 months | Feb 15 08:14 |
| schestowitz | so he's doing about a dozen 'dents" per year. Doesn't look like even he logs in much... | Feb 15 08:14 |
| schestowitz | So why would others like glynmoody bother? | Feb 15 08:15 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/irc-log-techrights-15012013.html | Feb 15 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: January 15th, 2013 | Feb 15 08:16 | |
| schestowitz | -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @webmink It's not just young hackers who struggle with depression. That's why BlueHackers.Org exists. http://bluehackers.org/ | Feb 15 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BlueHackers.org | because we're not just geeks - we're humans. | Feb 15 08:16 | |
| schestowitz | -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] If the govt wants your Twitter info, it must meet the highest due process standards available under the law, says PEN https://eff.org/r.2bGr | Feb 15 08:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pen.org | Digital Freedom and Crime in the Twitterverse - PEN America | Feb 15 08:17 | |
| schestowitz | eff used to be active there too (at the time) | Feb 15 08:17 |
| XRevan86 | https://mastodon.social/@eff now it's this | Feb 15 08:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Electronic Frontier Foundation (@eff@mastodon.social) - Mastodon | Feb 15 08:18 | |
| XRevan86 | Oh, it's unofficial. | Feb 15 08:19 |
| schestowitz | not sure whether the wikileaks ones include an official one | Feb 15 08:21 |
| schestowitz | even in twitter wikileaks lacks influence, more so as the months go by | Feb 15 08:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: https://identi.ca/stefanok there was some migration for sure. | Feb 15 08:21 |
| schestowitz | (they try to hide this) | Feb 15 08:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stefano Karapetsas - Identi.ca | Feb 15 08:21 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: very limited | Feb 15 08:22 |
| schestowitz | not for prolific accounts | Feb 15 08:22 |
| schestowitz | I had posted about 80k dents when he migrated | Feb 15 08:22 |
| schestowitz | his response was something like, use Internet Archive | Feb 15 08:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wikileaks/with_replies | Feb 15 08:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) on Twitter | Feb 15 08:23 | |
| schestowitz | see number of comments at the top, very few | Feb 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | 2 years ago they were flying | Feb 15 08:23 |
| XRevan86 | > Join Twitter | Feb 15 08:23 |
| XRevan86 | Just last year with_replies was public. | Feb 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | the ones shown yes | Feb 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | they've been marginalised | Feb 15 08:24 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see Greta Thunberg is trending now | Feb 15 08:24 |
| schestowitz | she "liked" some tweets of mine | Feb 15 08:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I still see nada | Feb 15 08:24 |
| schestowitz | where? | Feb 15 08:26 |
| XRevan86 | > https://twitter.com/wikileaks/with_replies | Feb 15 08:26 |
| schestowitz | social media things are odd. Where are people going online? | Feb 15 08:26 |
| schestowitz | I saw an article from 2010 recently, from Wired, where they say many use the Net just for video now.. and "apps" | Feb 15 08:27 |
| schestowitz | mostly youtube, netflix, etc. | Feb 15 08:27 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: it shows recent tweets | Feb 15 08:27 |
| schestowitz | just some links to youtube which they posted | Feb 15 08:27 |
| schestowitz | with a couple of comments on them | Feb 15 08:28 |
| schestowitz | wikileaks won't need to be killed if it keeps stagnating like this, as it would die or become irrelevant on its own.. | Feb 15 08:28 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What happened? Did they stop getting/publishing good stuff? | Feb 15 08:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pluska.sk/slovensko/spolocnost/hovorca-wikileaks-odpocuvanie-novinarov-nic-nove.html | Feb 15 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pluska.sk | Hovorca WikiLeaks: Odpočúvanie novinárov? Nič nové! | Feb 15 08:35 | |
| schestowitz | He | Feb 15 08:35 |
| schestowitz | He has barely been visible | Feb 15 08:35 |
| schestowitz | if he becomes more visible, the media will crush his reputation | Feb 15 08:35 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yeah, they ran out of very good megaleaks | Feb 15 08:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/257649742513844224 | Feb 15 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: The plan to destroy WikiLeaks “Feed the fuel between the feuding groups… [create] disinformation”.http://t.co/J9a0cJqY http://t.co/Wi5Dcukz | Feb 15 08:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> darkernet.in | | Feb 15 08:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | @AnonymousIRC's statement on Wikileaks : anonymous | Feb 15 08:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/khrafnsson?lang=en | Feb 15 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Kristinn Hrafnsson (@khrafnsson) on Twitter | Feb 15 08:37 | |
| schestowitz | only 3k followers | Feb 15 08:37 |
| schestowitz | "Journalist - WikiLeaks" | Feb 15 08:37 |
| schestowitz | he's editor in chief now | Feb 15 08:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/khrafnsson/status/1091076488085028864 | Feb 15 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@khrafnsson: Merriam-Webster´s definition of 'take a swipe at´: 1) informal: to direct criticism or insults toward (a particular… https://t.co/qW06BZrt6g | Feb 15 08:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@khrafnsson: Merriam-Webster´s definition of 'take a swipe at´: 1) informal: to direct criticism or insults toward (a particular… https://t.co/qW06BZrt6g | Feb 15 08:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 08:38 |
| schestowitz | More | Feb 15 08:38 |
| schestowitz | Merriam-Webster´s definition of 'take a swipe at´: 1) informal: to direct criticism or insults toward (a particular person or group), 2) to try to hit (someone or something) by moving something. Interesting take by WaPo. I just call it journalism. Submit: https://wikileaks.org/#submit | Feb 15 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks | Feb 15 08:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 08:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/khrafnsson/status/1088937241089576961 | Feb 15 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@khrafnsson: I have declined interviews today on the arrest and indictment of Roger Stone. The story today is that this is not,… https://t.co/sW5i6liB1W | Feb 15 08:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@khrafnsson: I have declined interviews today on the arrest and indictment of Roger Stone. The story today is that this is not,… https://t.co/sW5i6liB1W | Feb 15 08:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 08:38 |
| schestowitz | More | Feb 15 08:38 |
| schestowitz | I have declined interviews today on the arrest and indictment of Roger Stone. The story today is that this is not, and never was, a @wikileaks story. I don´t see the need to add anything. | Feb 15 08:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 08:38 |
| schestowitz | Trying to tie him to "RUSHA" and "TRUMP" already | Feb 15 08:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/khrafnsson/status/1086218278228369408 | Feb 15 08:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@khrafnsson: What kind of government allows a foreign power to interrogate its diplomats on the basis of a fabricated story by d… https://t.co/4FEFkyMyGL | Feb 15 08:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@khrafnsson: What kind of government allows a foreign power to interrogate its diplomats on the basis of a fabricated story by d… https://t.co/4FEFkyMyGL | Feb 15 08:39 | |
| *schestowitz just got off the phone | Feb 15 08:43 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: anyway, the whose social network thing is baffling | Feb 15 08:43 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Slovak journalists were kidnapped? | Feb 15 08:43 |
| schestowitz | as many perish, news sites perish too, not sure what people do except snapchat and FB and all that crap I know nothing about | Feb 15 08:43 |
| schestowitz | kaniini does good work on pleroma, I see he's making commits aplenty and about a dozen developers are active on the project | Feb 15 08:44 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I am oblivious as well, I do my own thing :) | Feb 15 08:44 |
| schestowitz | you use/d gno social | Feb 15 08:44 |
| schestowitz | load average something | Feb 15 08:44 |
| schestowitz | I already lost my mastodon account | Feb 15 08:45 |
| schestowitz | with 1.4k followers | Feb 15 08:45 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: xrevan86@loadaverage.org, yes. | Feb 15 08:45 |
| schestowitz | for "posting too much" I guess | Feb 15 08:45 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yeah, there's always sandboxing if it clutters the Public Timeline. | Feb 15 08:47 |
| schestowitz | then there was gnusocial.de | Feb 15 08:52 |
| schestowitz | months later it shut down | Feb 15 08:52 |
| schestowitz | after it had also asked me not to post more than a dozen or so per day | Feb 15 08:53 |
| schestowitz | it's like penalising people for posting efficiently, not automating or anything | Feb 15 08:53 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Pity you didn't go for LA.org back then | Feb 15 08:53 |
| schestowitz | The analogy I like it, YOUR NEWSPAPERS HAS TOO MANY ARTICLES! | Feb 15 08:54 |
| schestowitz | "Each day I cannot finish it all front to back" | Feb 15 08:54 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: On gnusocial.de it was probably the queue | Feb 15 08:56 |
| XRevan86 | it's not always efficient on GNU social | Feb 15 08:56 |
| XRevan86 | Works fine for me, even though I'm just using MariaDB for it, but I've heard stories. | Feb 15 08:57 |
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| amarsh04 | happily running Devuan here... | Feb 15 11:55 |
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| XRevan86 | > caja-bookmark.c:652:5: warning: implicit declaration of function 'strlen' [-Wimplicit-function-declaration] | Feb 15 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | > if (strlen (bookmark->details->name) > 0) | Feb 15 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | A missing #include <string.h> I see. | Feb 15 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | oops | Feb 15 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | wrong channel -_- | Feb 15 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | Never mind that. | Feb 15 13:36 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: did you have a chance to take the .apk of tuxmachines for a spin? | Feb 15 16:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | as many perish, news sites perish too, not sure what people do except snapchat and FB and all that crap I know nothing about | Feb 15 17:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't like Snapchat because of the self-exploding pictures. | Feb 15 17:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then if you screenshot them, it tells the person who shared it that you saved a copy. | Feb 15 17:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That and people can send you pictures that you can't refuse. | Feb 15 17:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to panic and block a 15 year old (son of someone I know) because he started to strip and send me photos of it. I blocked him before anything illegal came through. | Feb 15 17:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it was the sheer sense of terror. Like, "Oh fuck, oh fuck!! BLOCK BLOCK!!!". | Feb 15 17:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's a problem with text messages though. | Feb 15 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Peopl can send you things you did not want or ask for. | Feb 15 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then you get get in trouble for having or having had them. | Feb 15 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, it's even worse when it's an illegal photo because it can be a felony to have it and then another felony to try to get rid of it once it's there. | Feb 15 17:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Destruction of Evidence | Feb 15 17:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Believe it or not, prosecutors in the US have filed charges this way numerous times. | Feb 15 17:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the "I don't ask for it and I was trying to get it off my phone." won't necessarily work in court because whether it's a defense depends entirely on whether the jury believes you and is sympathetic. | Feb 15 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state chooses jurors who are heavily biased in favor of the police and who skew towards believing it's their job to help the prosecution convict the accused. | Feb 15 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, don't make the mistake of thinking you can plead your case to 12 neutral third parties. | Feb 15 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are Matrix Adult rooms and Tumblr used to have porn and there's Reddit. | Feb 15 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the problem comes up a lot and under US and most state laws, you're entirely responsible for anything that shows up on your computer screen whether you could have known it would be loaded onto it or not. | Feb 15 17:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The laws do not consider whether you made a conscious effort to go seek out illegal items or whether you were a passive victim of the incident. | Feb 15 17:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These laws do not work like other laws do. | Feb 15 17:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you accidentally purchase and use counterfeit postage stamps, the only thing that happens is that the mail you were trying to send gets returned to you and says "Return to Sender. Counterfeit Postage." but you have not committed a federal offense for being the dumb guy who figured Mohammed Jihad down at the gas station sold you genuine postage stamps. | Feb 15 17:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The USPIS can go raid him and he's in trouble big time. | Feb 15 17:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The worst that happens to you is they say, "Hey, where'd you buy these stamps?". And the only thing illegal you could do here is interfere with a police investigation by not helping them out. | Feb 15 17:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only fair legal system is the one that gives an accused person the benefit of the doubt and a fair chance to make a case in front of neutral observers. | Feb 15 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that system has quietly been removed and replaced by an inferior legal system in the US that isn't there to guard your rights when you need them the most. | Feb 15 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't even think that Officer Jason Van Dyke got a fair trial, although I admit that if I was a juror, I probably would have voted to convict him based on the evidence that should have been admitted into court. | Feb 15 17:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had "experts" there that were introducing opinions into the proceedings that could only speculate as to what may have been his state of mind at the time of the incident. | Feb 15 17:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This isn't the stuff that good convictions are made of. | Feb 15 17:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it wasn't even really necessary. | Feb 15 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The video evidence showed him shooting an unarmed teenager 16 times, the majority of which were after he was on the ground dead. | Feb 15 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The witnesses quoted his spoken statements, verbatim. | Feb 15 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Things like "I just know I'm going to have to shoot him." minutes before his squad car arrived on the scene. | Feb 15 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had a ton of solid evidence, but they turned the trial into a drumhead anyway, to appease cop-hating limo liberals in Cook County. | Feb 15 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And by the time they finished, I don't know that I could reward the system with a conviction. | Feb 15 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would have probably tried to hang the jury if I was on it. | Feb 15 17:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The problem is it'll never be fixed, the system won't, because Republicans are even more opposed to justice in the courts than the Democrats are, because it's not just criminal proceedings that are a shame in the red states like Indiana, it's civil matters too, like human rights issues. So it'll never be fixed. I vote for Democrats, but the system will never be fixed. I can only get worse if Republicans take over the | Feb 15 17:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | courts. | Feb 15 17:46 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/TLboXADTPxLiRtnYeGbrrhAo > | Feb 15 17:48 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least when the Democrats are pulling things out of their ass, they expand our rights. Right? They stop the government from encroaching into our homes and telling us who we can fuck and whether we can decide on our own whether to reproduce, and that the police can't lob a grenade in through your window to land in your baby's crib and then break in the door in the middle of the night with no warrant.. | Feb 15 17:51 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU/Linux Distributions Deconstructed, GNU/Linux Distros on Old Chromebooks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120701 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9cf8de0a-3319-43ee-ad47-8b92dc331ac2] | Feb 15 18:08 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiophile Linux Promises Aural Nirvana http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120704 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1002bdb1-e9f2-44e4-a908-ab643308242c] | Feb 15 18:29 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB NVMe Linux SSD Benchmarks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120706 [https://pleroma.site/objects/00b5443b-8211-451e-a585-5b9ff7295203] | Feb 15 18:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120707 [https://pleroma.site/objects/959709a1-b64b-4624-8682-d36aa3eeca4d] | Feb 15 18:46 | |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Pdwl9IS.jpg | Feb 15 19:09 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I made it down to the DMV today. | Feb 16 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I officially no longer live in Chicago. | Feb 16 00:22 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to aindilis mmu_man Researcher- amarsh04 | Feb 16 00:27 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18082515 | Feb 16 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Feb 16 00:34 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I pulled up and filled my gas tank with E15 today. | Feb 16 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Car seems to run okay on it. | Feb 16 01:58 |
| schestowitz | e15? | Feb 16 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 15 percent ethyl alcohol. | Feb 16 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Straight up gasoline has actually quitly been replaced in most of the US with E10. | Feb 16 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So E15 bumps the ethanol content from 10% to 15%. | Feb 16 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It burns cleaner, slightly cheaper.... | Feb 16 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even factoring in for the small loss in fuel economy, it seems worth it. | Feb 16 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Slightly less CO2 emissions. | Feb 16 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, there are some for manufacturing the ethanol in the first place, but not quite as much as with just burning gasoline. | Feb 16 02:56 |
| schestowitz | oh, I see... | Feb 16 02:58 |
| schestowitz | well, I no longer drive | Feb 16 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The major cost of driving besides gas and car payments is insurance. | Feb 16 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I saved a lot on that by having excellent credit, a clean record, now living in a good area, being over 30, and going with a company that assesses your driving and gives you a personal score and won't insure the worst 30%. | Feb 16 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I now pay about $392 for 6 months of really great coverage. | Feb 16 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The next best deal would have been around $700. | Feb 16 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So this way saves me about $616 per year. | Feb 16 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uses tech to solve problems. | Feb 16 03:03 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't have to subsidize shitty drivers. | Feb 16 03:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can go pay more somewhere else. | Feb 16 03:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I usually have the car optimized for gas mileage. | Feb 16 03:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I only turn on performance mode while passing, merging onto the highway, etc. | Feb 16 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People always get mad at me for going about 55 miles an hour, but I do stay in the slow lane. | Feb 16 03:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Wind resistance absolutely kills your gas mileage after about 65. | Feb 16 03:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I turn the car off instead of idling if I can. | Feb 16 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 15 minutes of idling burns about a quarter of a gallon of gas. | Feb 16 03:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Over the life of the car not idling saves a few tanks. | Feb 16 03:18 |
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| MinceR | a stop-start system would do that automatically :> | Feb 16 03:21 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7524u5w4ZE sorry to say stop starting engine is not as simple as it seams. | Feb 16 03:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Not to Buy a Car with Stop/Start Technology - YouTube | Feb 16 03:35 | |
| oiaohm | Every dollar you can save in fuel you can spend 100 times repairing them. | Feb 16 03:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: Yeah, but that's when they stop and restart like a few seconds later. | Feb 16 03:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean if I'm going to wait 10 minutes on someone, I turn the car off. | Feb 16 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Even then it can become questionable. If you car had a electric fan and water pump doing that would be fine.. | Feb 16 03:38 |
| oiaohm | Problem is the heat spike caused by the cooling system being turned off. | Feb 16 03:38 |
| oiaohm | This is what kills solo driver pizza dilivery cars. | Feb 16 03:39 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: there is kind of a correct method for a long wait. Where you run at idle for a while and wait for tempeture to drop before killing the engine. | Feb 16 03:41 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people doing start stop don't do that resulting in extra harm from the heat spike problem. | Feb 16 03:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: I doubt there's too much of a heat spike problem right now where I am. | Feb 16 03:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's like 6 F outside. | Feb 16 03:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: that can be worse in fact. Heat spike can sometimes trigger a form of instant freeze in your cooling system if it distrupts the antifreese. | Feb 16 03:44 |
| oiaohm | There is process miltrary coursed for driving in all conditions cover it for convy work. | Feb 16 03:45 |
| oiaohm | That heat spike that fuel engines do due to cooling system shutdown can cause a lot of rude problems. | Feb 16 03:46 |
| oiaohm | Please note that freeze would be if you have turned the engine on at the wrong time and the over heated coolent comes out the engine block and does the high tempeture liquid instance freese. | Feb 16 03:46 |
| MinceR | another problem is extra wear from reduced lubrication when starting after being stopped for a while | Feb 16 03:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yep that is down the track. | Feb 16 03:47 |
| oiaohm | There are a few instant hits from start/stop. Cold areas cooling system frozen and dead., Battery not getting enough change between start/stops so you stop and attempt to restart and you are going no where are your two instant problems. | Feb 16 03:48 |
| oiaohm | The cost of wear caused by start stop is another level of problem. | Feb 16 03:49 |
| MinceR | the control system _might_ be able to help with most of these things, e.g. by enforcing an engine start after a while | Feb 16 03:49 |
| MinceR | and not stopping the engine if battery charge is low | Feb 16 03:50 |
| oiaohm | Automated can help with the battery one. The cooling system one not so much you are fairly much betting you will not have to move the car while the liquid is temp spiked in the engine block. | Feb 16 03:51 |
| oiaohm | The spike in warmer areas does not do the pipeing between engine block and radiator any good. | Feb 16 03:53 |
| oiaohm | Fix to the spike is electric water punp and electric fan in radator. | Feb 16 03:53 |
| oiaohm | Of course this moves you closer to running out of battery. | Feb 16 03:54 |
| MinceR | the water pump being run by an electric motor is a common solution | Feb 16 03:55 |
| oiaohm | But not all cars have it. | Feb 16 03:55 |
| oiaohm | It something you want to know before start stoping them alot. | Feb 16 03:56 |
| oiaohm | and if that water pump and fan runs based on engine block tempeture or based on keyswitch. | Feb 16 03:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes cars that have protection against heat spike you turn the key off and you at times hear the engine fan still running even that the engine has stopped. | Feb 16 03:57 |
| oiaohm | because they are cooling the engine block down properly. | Feb 16 03:57 |
| MinceR | even skoda 120l-s would keep running the engine fan after being powered down after driving for a long time | Feb 16 03:57 |
| MinceR | for a while | Feb 16 03:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I would guess it has a electric water pump as well and that would be running as well. | Feb 16 03:58 |
| oiaohm | So has a proper engine cool down. | Feb 16 03:58 |
| MinceR | dunno | Feb 16 03:58 |
| MinceR | it was an old model in the eastern bloc, without a stop-start system | Feb 16 03:58 |
| oiaohm | Some of the stuff out of the eastern bloc was designed in paper to last but impementation was the problem. | Feb 16 03:59 |
| oiaohm | I have seen air driven water pumps on some easten block stuff so they would use air instead of battery to run the cool down cycle. | Feb 16 03:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have a fairly modern suzuki its electric fan stops instanty it also has a belt/engine driven water pump. | Feb 16 04:02 |
| oiaohm | So one of the class that is not in fact start/stop friendly. | Feb 16 04:03 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter if it doesn't ship with a stop/start system | Feb 16 04:03 |
| oiaohm | It does if you attempt to drive it start/stop style. | Feb 16 04:03 |
| MinceR | well, yeah | Feb 16 04:04 |
| oiaohm | It is a normal give away if the fan always instant stops when you turn of its not start stop friendly at all. If fan stays running for a while it might be at price of worst long term wear. | Feb 16 04:05 |
| oiaohm | of/off | Feb 16 04:06 |
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| MinceR | also, letting the engine idle for a bit before stopping it might help cool it | Feb 16 04:14 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: it does but only so far because you are still burning fuel. It lowers the spike. | Feb 16 04:26 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Server: Network Function Virtualization. Little Backup Box, Oracle and Red Hat http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120720 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dc782240-b521-480a-9cdb-dfb7caf46817] | Feb 16 04:49 | |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Feb 16 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > I've been using systemd a lot lately. I was initially skeptical of it | Feb 16 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > and grew to dislike it. However, now that I've used it a lot the last | Feb 16 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > few weeks and seen what it is like I can now say I know enough to really | Feb 16 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > hate it and, by extension, the team that forced it into so many distros. | Feb 16 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > Demoed a Raspberry Pi 3B+ to a retired broadcasting boss. It was not | Feb 16 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > planned but went well especially since all activities, except the actual | Feb 16 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > loading of programs, went faster on the Pi than on the legacy machines. | Feb 16 06:00 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Voters Choose Two New Board Members and One Incumbent to openSUSE Board http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120733 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a419d503-16f3-4d67-8fcd-6bad380d4ee2] | Feb 16 07:59 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Extensions in Firefox 66 and Jingle Smash (VR) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120734 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b67194ba-1f4e-441d-8e02-26c2532bf626] | Feb 16 08:01 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Back Doors Running Amok, Container Runtime Flaw Patched, Cisco Ships Exploit Inside Products http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120736 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fcca5191-cb2f-45e0-b9a2-0282dc8544b3] | Feb 16 08:12 | |
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| XRevan86 | I've mentioned that NewPipe bumped its requirement to Android 5.0+. Turns out they've also made a separate thing called NewPipeLegacy, which is 4.1+. | Feb 16 17:49 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18082514 | Feb 16 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Feb 16 23:31 | |
| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2018-08-14 | Feb 16 23:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert Offers To Help - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2018-08-14 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Feb 16 23:58 | |
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