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| XRevan86 | I've noticed that shoving one's agenda everywhere, even when it's a good one, rarely works for the intended purpose, yet more and more people think it does. Remember, if you don't actively support every Russian union activism on the Internet, you're enabling Putin and his every policy, you alt-right swine. | Jan 20 00:07 |
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| XRevan86 | I personally think that promoting freedom and openness should be more than enough even without token reach-outs. But don't forget to give a helping hand to your local CPRF candidate. | Jan 20 00:10 |
| MinceR | people love to attempt to redefine things like freedom and openness as something that's mostly the opposite of what they really are | Jan 20 00:13 |
| XRevan86 | And especially without shaming a broad group of people for something they didn't even do, that's a sure way to scare people off your cause. But shame on you for the environmental issues of Chelyabinsk. | Jan 20 00:13 |
| MinceR | for example, i know people who call themselves "anarchists" yet they promote monarchy and christian fundamentalist states | Jan 20 00:13 |
| XRevan86 | What did YOU do to help children in Chelyabinsk with your privilege? | Jan 20 00:17 |
| XRevan86 | (I just assume you have privilege) | Jan 20 00:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I did mention here before Ukrainian Communist Anarchists who joined forces with the German Nazis in the WW2 | Jan 20 00:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This doesn't surprise me as much as it should. | Jan 20 00:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 20 00:20 |
| XRevan86 | > Also.. just because one Japanese person is okay with a certain joke doesn't mean all Japanese people are. | Jan 20 00:23 |
| XRevan86 | Huh, this can apply to every group imaginable with no possibility to prove otherwise. | Jan 20 00:23 |
| XRevan86 | May explain why no one does the "in the Soviet Russia" joke anymore. | Jan 20 00:24 |
| MinceR | i do, but i omit "Soviet" | Jan 20 00:25 |
| MinceR | no need to pretend that the state has changed significantly since then | Jan 20 00:25 |
| XRevan86 | In Contemporary Russia YOU offend the joke | Jan 20 00:26 |
| XRevan86 | In Contemporary Russia Putin elects YOU | Jan 20 00:33 |
| XRevan86 | okay, that doesn't make a lot of sense | Jan 20 00:35 |
| XRevan86 | unless you're a mayor | Jan 20 00:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 20 00:36 |
| kaniini | XRevan86: that person is basically someone who gets bored every 4 to 6 months and starts bothering us calling us nazis | Jan 20 00:48 |
| kaniini | XRevan86: it is a shame because otherwise they are quite charming | Jan 20 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: _? | Jan 20 00:48 |
| kaniini | XRevan86: assuming you're referring to that thread where i threatened to take someone to court to get a restraining order :) | Jan 20 00:49 |
| kaniini | which | Jan 20 00:49 |
| kaniini | i will actually do | Jan 20 00:49 |
| kaniini | because i am tired of this | Jan 20 00:49 |
| kaniini | she goes all out, doxing people calling their employers and telling them they have nazis working for them | Jan 20 00:49 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: The first question was about a different thing | Jan 20 00:50 |
| XRevan86 | Or is it the same thing? | Jan 20 00:50 |
| kaniini | oh, in the first post you linked, i was saying i should have left her stupidity alone | Jan 20 00:50 |
| kaniini | but it is something that more formal actions will have to be taken about i think | Jan 20 00:50 |
| XRevan86 | > she goes all out, doxing people calling their employers and telling them they have nazis working for them | Jan 20 00:51 |
| kaniini | i can't have somebody who has a manic episode and then starts doxing people and calling their employers and shit | Jan 20 00:51 |
| XRevan86 | Damn… | Jan 20 00:51 |
| *XRevan86 is still pissed that that BSD guy defederated me for trying to state him that asking an email server to remove someone for being arrogant on a mailing list is overdoing it. | Jan 20 00:53 | |
| XRevan86 | But that's nothing compared to calling employers. | Jan 20 00:54 |
| XRevan86 | "that person called people names on the Internet, let's see how they'll like dying homeless" – that's bettering humanity. | Jan 20 00:56 |
| kaniini | yeah | Jan 20 00:57 |
| kaniini | i hope she eventually gets psychiatric help | Jan 20 00:57 |
| scientes | geeze | Jan 20 00:57 |
| kaniini | but she sees this behavior and magical thinking approach as acceptable | Jan 20 00:57 |
| scientes | crazy people | Jan 20 00:57 |
| kaniini | hiding behind the 'neurodivergent' label | Jan 20 00:57 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18120375 | Jan 20 01:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 20 01:01 | |
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| XRevan86 | kaniini: Which reminds me: how can we discriminate against Nazis, when they're crearly a neurodivergent minority group? | Jan 20 01:08 |
| MinceR | someone already got there a while ago | Jan 20 01:09 |
| MinceR | https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/01/02/umass-amherst-student-asked-remove-anti-nazi-poster-not-being-inclusive | Jan 20 01:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.insidehighered.com | UMass Amherst student asked to remove anti-Nazi poster for not being inclusive | Jan 20 01:10 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Did they mention neurodiversity? | Jan 20 01:11 |
| MinceR | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/college-nazi-sign-university-massachusetts-swastika-hanukkah-protest-amherst-a8698491.html | Jan 20 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Student forced to remove 'f*** Nazis' sign because college claims it was 'not inclusive' | The Independent | Jan 20 01:11 | |
| XRevan86 | That's the key point :P | Jan 20 01:11 |
| MinceR | no, only inclusiveness | Jan 20 01:12 |
| kaniini | XRevan86: i don't discriminate against anyone; i go by amount of pain in the ass they are | Jan 20 01:13 |
| kaniini | and trust me, all of you fail the test | Jan 20 01:13 |
| MinceR | yay | Jan 20 01:13 |
| kaniini | i learned this philosophy from Poettering | Jan 20 01:13 |
| kaniini | it has served me well, in avoiding his software | Jan 20 01:13 |
| *kaniini runs | Jan 20 01:13 | |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 20 01:14 |
| MinceR | but that would mean you avoid everyone's software | Jan 20 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: To fail the test is to express oneself, so it's by definition of course. | Jan 20 01:14 |
| MinceR | there are tests you can fail without expressing yourself | Jan 20 01:14 |
| kaniini | some mastodon user told me | Jan 20 01:15 |
| kaniini | i am not allowed to have a temper | Jan 20 01:15 |
| kaniini | from being called a nazi | Jan 20 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Slack proved that, indeed. | Jan 20 01:15 |
| kaniini | and being told i am doing nazi activities | Jan 20 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Nazis have a temper, you have a temper… | Jan 20 01:15 |
| MinceR | this baby's got a temper | Jan 20 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | The math does itself. (if you don't know math) | Jan 20 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Baby Hitler is hiding somewhere. | Jan 20 01:17 |
| XRevan86 | The year is 2020: parents make their offspring behave by calling them Nazis otherwise. | Jan 20 01:18 |
| XRevan86 | "you didn't eat your veggies, how will I be able to look into your grandma's eyes when she finds out you're a Nazi? | Jan 20 01:20 |
| XRevan86 | > and being told i am doing nazi activities | Jan 20 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: How many people did you gas today? | Jan 20 01:21 |
| MinceR | if only | Jan 20 01:21 |
| MinceR | in reality, nazism is more popular than it ever was after the end of ww2 | Jan 20 01:21 |
| kaniini | all of them | Jan 20 01:22 |
| schestowitz | they call it MAGA now, I think... | Jan 20 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yeah, reality is grim. | Jan 20 01:23 |
| schestowitz | and they have memes | Jan 20 01:23 |
| kaniini | i'm just over here trying to make federation great | Jan 20 01:23 |
| kaniini | not again | Jan 20 01:23 |
| kaniini | it was never great | Jan 20 01:23 |
| kaniini | OStatus has leaks and security violations out the ass | Jan 20 01:23 |
| kaniini | AP has less leaks but still leaks, etc | Jan 20 01:23 |
| kaniini | there's all sorts of signatures stuffed in places they don't belong | Jan 20 01:23 |
| schestowitz | I just ignore the crazy people, seems to work for me, I rarely get harassed | Jan 20 01:23 |
| XRevan86 | Does Trump still have supporters? | Jan 20 01:25 |
| schestowitz | yeah, but they're like christmas lights | Jan 20 01:26 |
| schestowitz | nobody is very bright | Jan 20 01:26 |
| schestowitz | and few actually work | Jan 20 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | If he isn't the proof he cannot govern, I don't know what is. | Jan 20 01:26 |
| schestowitz | did he make a speech earlier, as scheduled? | Jan 20 01:26 |
| schestowitz | I just finished work, didn't catch up just yet | Jan 20 01:27 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: sometimes I think many Russians wanted him to win just because they don't like the US | Jan 20 01:27 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Probably would've if were better versed in American politics. | Jan 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | could say the same about voters in red states | Jan 20 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's actually more of the same – that he positioned as anti-establishment and wanted dialogue | Jan 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz | TV partly to blame | Jan 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz | they framed it like this | Jan 20 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | And Russians fell for it as well | Jan 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz | like a "bad billionaire" narrative, many American learned to like the "bad boy" | Jan 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz | but anyway... it's depressing | Jan 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz | I want the US to be civil as a leadership, at the moment it's a shitshow up there | Jan 20 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Ajit Pai etc. | Jan 20 01:31 |
| MinceR | they always had memes, they just didn't know that term before | Jan 20 01:32 |
| MinceR | also, not all nazis know about MAGA | Jan 20 01:32 |
| *XRevan86 wants the US to be democratic | Jan 20 01:32 | |
| MinceR | some of them only know about orban and/or putler, for example | Jan 20 01:32 |
| XRevan86 | A few days ago Chechnya got a gas bill pardon | Jan 20 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | other regions are rightly pissed | Jan 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | did they use up too much gas killing lgbt? | Jan 20 01:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Are you implying Muslims are capable of such a thing? | Jan 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Meduz keeps writing about that | Jan 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz | they they murder these people in Chechnya | Jan 20 01:37 |
| scientes | in the UK an inability of the government to spend money (as is currently the case in the US) would trigger an electrion | Jan 20 01:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: To be serious, it is indeed disturbing. | Jan 20 01:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: At first it was only accusations, but apparently there is proof now. | Jan 20 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | This is oddly little talk about this locally, no one seems to care. | Jan 20 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | Of course no one will confirm that on a high level | Jan 20 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | But it does say a lot that, when it was first brought up, Kadyrov in defence said that there are no gays in Chechnya | Jan 20 01:41 |
| XRevan86 | Like, whom will we murder if they don't exist | Jan 20 01:41 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Let's just say, I don't know for a fact that all this is true, but the probability is very high. | Jan 20 01:44 |
| XRevan86 | My original point was that the beloved by Western white supremacists Russia has a Muslim region with dark-skinned people on the top budget. | Jan 20 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | How little can one know to assume it's an example of their dream come true? | Jan 20 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | Or to assume it's anyone's dream come true at that… | Jan 20 01:50 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I don't support RT will cover tgat | Jan 20 01:50 |
| kaniini | trump has done a lot of damage | Jan 20 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: They won't unless they have to (i.e. already out there) | Jan 20 01:53 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: even here, he promotes brexit | Jan 20 01:54 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/sMoSoV2.gifv | Jan 20 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Jan 20 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: seeing what goes on there, tit-for-tat with BBC and RT sanctions, it's a good thing I never replied to any invitations from Sputnik and RT | Jan 20 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I am not on the camp "show up == endorse", but it would've been bad for publicity probably. | Jan 20 01:57 |
| scientes | its just a sign over frustration and lack of knowing what to do about the shrinking oil base | Jan 20 01:57 |
| scientes | however the sanctions russia puts on EU/US actually help it | Jan 20 01:58 |
| scientes | because it allows them to develop a more complete agricultural sector | Jan 20 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | I know of cases when scientists went to RenTV | Jan 20 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | hoping to explain their point to a broader audience | Jan 20 01:59 |
| scientes | they have a common gripe? | Jan 20 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | They regretted it later when they found out about the power of montage though. | Jan 20 01:59 |
| scientes | montage? that is a effect in a movie | Jan 20 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And on television | Jan 20 02:00 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montage_(filmmaking) | Jan 20 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Montage (filmmaking) - Wikipedia | Jan 20 02:00 | |
| XRevan86 | > however the sanctions russia puts on EU/US actually help it, because it allows them to develop a more complete agricultural sector | Jan 20 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | Somehow it manages not to | Jan 20 02:01 |
| scientes | South Park's Team America: World Police, even had a section mocking montages | Jan 20 02:01 |
| scientes | well at least RT claims it does | Jan 20 02:01 |
| scientes | such as dairy | Jan 20 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | It forgets about food monopolies in Russia that crush any competition | Jan 20 02:01 |
| scientes | it is at least as bad in EU/US | Jan 20 02:02 |
| scientes | the local dairy here was pissed a smaller competitior had lower costs, so they got the government to tax their competitor | Jan 20 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | So a wider market doesn't help with supply, because the supply is not allowed to exist. | Jan 20 02:03 |
| scientes | the smaller dairy was competitive because they didn't have to ship the milk hundreds of miles to be processed | Jan 20 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | > well at least RT claims it does | Jan 20 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | It sounds plausible, so of course it does. | Jan 20 02:03 |
| scientes | like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoPpoXdEOak | Jan 20 02:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Putin Jokes With Farmers: We Can Defend Ourselves With The Russian Big Apples - YouTube | Jan 20 02:04 | |
| scientes | https://www.rt.com/business/315562-putin-russia-import-substitution/ | Jan 20 02:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russian dairy production up 26% in year after food embargo – Putin — RT Business News | Jan 20 02:04 | |
| scientes | I also heard Russia exports more grain than oil | Jan 20 02:05 |
| scientes | (measured in money) | Jan 20 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | That doesn't sound right | Jan 20 02:06 |
| scientes | yeah it isn't https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Tf_Bc28pyMoJ:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-06/russia-upends-world-wheat-market-with-record-harvest-exports+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us | Jan 20 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com | Russia Becomes a Grain Superpower as Wheat Exports Explode - Bloomberg | Jan 20 02:07 | |
| XRevan86 | By the magic of montage I mean that after the scientist's statements aired, they transformed | Jan 20 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | Anthropologists start proving that yeti's exist, cosmologists – that UFOs visited Roswell | Jan 20 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | phrases cut and reshuffled | Jan 20 02:12 |
| scientes | oh, now i know what you mean | Jan 20 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | One guy accepted the RenTV invitation and went there speaking very fast to screw with any attempt to use only a part of what he says | Jan 20 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | His contribution didn't make it into the final cut | Jan 20 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | But he made a YouTube video exposing them for what they truly are. | Jan 20 02:16 |
| scientes | I am sick of Chrome breaking the web | Jan 20 02:17 |
| scientes | if you fake a chrome user-agent in Firefox, YouTube no longer works | Jan 20 02:17 |
| scientes | because YouTube uses chrome-specific web extensions | Jan 20 02:18 |
| scientes | fucking Google | Jan 20 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and Facebook doesn't let Firefox use live video anymore without faking the ua as chrome. | Jan 20 02:52 |
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| scientes | I refuse to use chrome | Jan 20 03:05 |
| scientes | Facebook is also going to remove access to messenger via html | Jan 20 03:06 |
| scientes | and force use of the android app | Jan 20 03:06 |
| scientes | well except the desktop html app | Jan 20 03:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Frost gives it a Chrome on Windows ua so you can use html messenger. | Jan 20 03:06 |
| scientes | i'm just sick and tired of any use of the ua string | Jan 20 03:07 |
| scientes | all the existance of a user agent ever did was destroy and fragment the web | Jan 20 03:07 |
| scientes | and now having browsers that don't allow you to change it only makes that woorse | Jan 20 03:07 |
| schestowitz | [02:52] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, and Facebook doesn't let Firefox use live video anymore without faking the ua as chrome. | Jan 20 03:26 |
| schestowitz | wow | Jan 20 03:26 |
| schestowitz | [03:06] <scientes> well except the desktop html app | Jan 20 03:26 |
| schestowitz | if it's html, then it's not an app | Jan 20 03:26 |
| schestowitz | "app" is an overused BS buzzword | Jan 20 03:26 |
| schestowitz | like podcast, a legacy of Apple brain damage and hipster cult | Jan 20 03:27 |
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| scientes | schestowitz, well, AJAX web 2.0 stuff then | Jan 20 04:01 |
| scientes | but yeah apple did create the stupid "app" word | Jan 20 04:01 |
| schestowitz | Thank different. Vocabulary. | Jan 20 04:02 |
| schestowitz | *Think even | Jan 20 04:02 |
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| MinceR | http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=1781 | Jan 20 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ffn.nodwick.com | Full Frontal Nerdity by Aaron Williams - 08/02/2018 | Jan 20 17:52 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18120370 | Jan 20 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 20 17:55 | |
| MinceR | http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=1782 | Jan 20 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ffn.nodwick.com | Full Frontal Nerdity by Aaron Williams - 08/07/2018 | Jan 20 18:25 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/XM8gVAm | Jan 20 18:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I Watch Too Much Food Network - Album on Imgur | Jan 20 18:42 | |
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| MinceR | http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=1806 | Jan 20 21:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ffn.nodwick.com | Full Frontal Nerdity by Aaron Williams - 09/18/2018 | Jan 20 21:28 | |
| MinceR | http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=1826 | Jan 20 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ffn.nodwick.com | Full Frontal Nerdity by Aaron Williams - 10/25/2018 | Jan 20 21:33 | |
| MinceR | https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/83106/intellectual-property-patent/ | Jan 20 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com | Computer program that could bypass patents to produce synthetic drugs | Jan 20 21:39 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: unfortunately that program looks lot like something else I know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_cannabinoids Lot of these chemicals were made the same kind of way to bypass drug controls. | Jan 20 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Synthetic cannabinoids - Wikipedia | Jan 20 22:17 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: at least this new usage may not be as destructive. | Jan 20 22:19 |
| MinceR | http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=1828 | Jan 20 22:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ffn.nodwick.com | Full Frontal Nerdity by Aaron Williams - 10/31/2018 | Jan 20 22:47 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18120343 | Jan 20 23:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 20 23:27 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1710119 | Jan 21 00:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 21 00:05 | |
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| schestowitz | [21:39] <MinceR> https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/83106/intellectual-property-patent/ | Jan 21 01:11 |
| schestowitz | I saw this article in 5 domains already | Jan 21 01:11 |
| schestowitz | While researching patent stuff Saturday | Jan 21 01:11 |
| schestowitz | but thanks for sharing | Jan 21 01:13 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Protontricks, vkQuake2, System Shock, Dead Ascend, Lord of Dwarves and Panda3D http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119746 [https://pleroma.site/objects/646b4fba-fa2f-4aa8-9e4d-5ac815c34169] | Jan 21 02:54 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Conway’s Game of Life, py3status and Teaching Python at Apple http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119747 [https://pleroma.site/objects/915e4729-eb49-4776-a3b4-8d3e9b140a65] | Jan 21 03:00 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Radio Telescopes Horn In With GNU Radio http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119749 [https://pleroma.site/objects/200a54ed-c403-4f84-946a-199539736a5f] | Jan 21 03:05 | |
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| scientes | look at the moon dudes | Jan 21 04:15 |
| scientes | total lunar eclipse | Jan 21 04:43 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Akira: The Linux Design Tool we’ve always wanted? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119752 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d8a54a5f-96ae-40ec-ae13-9601be27ab51] | Jan 21 07:00 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: ThreadX, Kali Linux, Rocke and Data Loss http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119755 [https://pleroma.site/objects/39a9a0d1-fcbb-4edf-98fc-b0f7eb444a68] | Jan 21 08:45 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.0-rc3 Kernel Released With Plenty Of Fixes Plus Nouveau RTX 2080 Ti Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119756 [https://pleroma.site/objects/30e161bb-16c9-47c9-8f07-ed35ac53e6a6] | Jan 21 08:52 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This Week in Linux, Chrome OS, and Death of Windows 10 Mobile http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119758 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bed33087-2d7e-475b-bbf5-47578ae28752] | Jan 21 09:11 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: #SculptOS 18.09 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119759 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e0942c08-fe33-4a97-829f-ab3842bee307] | Jan 21 09:18 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts: Linux in the Ham Shack (LHS), Linux Action News, Open Source Security Podcast and Let’s Encrypt http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119760 [https://pleroma.site/objects/18b17180-4653-43ce-b1e1-eff1df10fa54] | Jan 21 09:30 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: POCL, Pelican and Python http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119762 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b67f56d0-0e67-4577-a694-c139a1291cb2] | Jan 21 09:37 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119764 [https://pleroma.site/objects/45b033af-db34-4e6f-acc5-05f6eb6070d2] | Jan 21 10:31 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Bogdan Popa's Latest Microsoft FUD, Banks With Windows, Huawei Scare, and It's Possible to Install Malicious Things on Google http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119769 [https://pleroma.site/objects/61685133-a3c8-4165-8e77-fe672271f94f] | Jan 21 18:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora: Fedora Modularity, Radeon Open Compute (ROCm), MongoDB http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119770 [https://pleroma.site/objects/384e48b0-39f7-4308-9cfe-e70f30f653eb] | Jan 21 18:15 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 12 Best Free Linux Project Management Software (Updated 2019) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119772 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f7fb577b-bcd1-41c8-8343-4a55e71afa67] | Jan 21 18:18 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mesa 18.2 vs. 18.3 vs. 19.0 January Benchmarks For RadeonSI/RADV http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119773 [https://pleroma.site/objects/45caeea8-0535-46db-b424-090e38b5d131] | Jan 21 18:33 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1710116 | Jan 21 19:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 21 19:44 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1710111 | Jan 21 19:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 21 19:53 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/17100328 | Jan 21 20:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 21 20:26 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/17100327 | Jan 21 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 21 21:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Homebrew 1.9, JBoss EAP, Python, Qt and Inclusion http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119776 [https://pleroma.site/objects/38c67db4-cc56-4533-9c61-89f007835165] | Jan 21 21:27 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Makes perfect sense | Jan 21 21:31 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OpenSUSE/SUSE: SLES for SAP and Christian Boltz Introduced http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119778 [https://pleroma.site/objects/216196ba-2d3d-463f-8d10-a1918775d856] | Jan 21 21:36 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Server: QUIC, Supercomputers, CloudLinux Dashboard and Cloud Native Computing Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119779 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fa0e3b9a-e11e-489a-a579-c3fcebc81c73] | Jan 21 22:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Updates, SDNs, Oklahoma’s Department of Securities (ODS) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119781 [https://pleroma.site/objects/884b1a67-0fa8-44a8-bf57-f64319e1f325] | Jan 21 22:31 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | My laptop lost a key. | Jan 22 04:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now I just have a button where the y was. | Jan 22 04:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :P | Jan 22 04:02 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #OPNsense 19.1-RC1 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119782 #security #bsd #friefox [https://pleroma.site/objects/25027215-edcb-46f1-8b0b-9607a91db7ea] | Jan 22 05:03 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora Toolbox — Under the hood http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119783 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f9ad0d79-32cf-4cb9-bfda-b42365e77c3e] | Jan 22 05:06 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: DYSMANTLE is Getting GNU/Linux Support on Day One, Paladins on Steam Play and Wine 4.0 a Day or Two Away http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119786 [https://pleroma.site/objects/21609462-129a-4fd3-8e54-d2747d7a2c8e] | Jan 22 05:28 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 10 Best Linux Games You Can Play for Free http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119789 [https://pleroma.site/objects/48221fd1-2088-48a1-b5ef-d8fdba6084ee] | Jan 22 06:24 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/lt0oAq0 | Jan 22 07:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-That's one way to not slip on the ice - GIF on Imgur | Jan 22 07:46 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/k3a6380.jpg | Jan 22 07:52 |
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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2017-11-10 | Jan 22 08:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wally Is Working If You Don't See Him - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-11-10 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jan 22 08:31 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: maybe that explains massive focus on personal steath. Max way to have boss confused if you are in office or not. | Jan 22 10:38 |
| oiaohm | https://globalnews.ca/news/4302166/invisibility-cloak-technology/ << Really if we do get functional cloaks you would be still solid inside the cloak. Question how long until cloaked hits cloaked at high speed. | Jan 22 10:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Full ‘invisibility cloak’ is possible in the real world: scientists | Globalnews.ca | Jan 22 10:44 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: mislabeled | Jan 22 10:53 |
| schestowitz | for headlines | Jan 22 10:53 |
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| MinceR | the domain is mislabeled :> | Jan 22 11:52 |
| MinceR | never mind, i confused it with another | Jan 22 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah, common mistake | Jan 22 12:29 |
| schestowitz | David Gerard thought the same | Jan 22 12:29 |
| schestowitz | they look similar | Jan 22 12:29 |
| schestowitz | globalresearch.ca is a it k00ky | Jan 22 12:29 |
| schestowitz | *bit k00ky | Jan 22 12:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-brechpunkt.de | Q2VKPT | Jan 22 13:06 | |
| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2017-11-11 | Jan 22 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wally Presents To Board - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-11-11 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jan 22 14:43 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-11-26 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jan 22 16:33 | |
| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2017-11-27 | Jan 22 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Robot Can Take Boss's Job - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-11-27 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jan 22 16:58 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=896897#c23 | Jan 23 01:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.chromium.org | 896897 - Extensions: Implement Manifest V3 - chromium - Monorail | Jan 23 01:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "World: Google, you are so smart, impartial, and b…" - Aral’s Mastodon | Jan 23 01:28 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sending my laptop in to be repaired tomorrow. | Jan 23 05:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told them to just replace the entire keyboard. | Jan 23 05:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said about $40 for the part and $20 to put it in. Seems fair. | Jan 23 05:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The y and u keys broke off, left shift+y shorts out, and t doesn't work sometimes. | Jan 23 05:17 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/18123128 | Jan 23 06:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 23 06:47 | |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: keyboard is not covered by warranty | Jan 23 06:48 |
| MinceR | ? | Jan 23 06:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Only for a year. | Jan 23 06:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bought it July 2016. | Jan 23 06:52 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 23 06:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had an extra year from the credit card company, but that was up 6 months ago. | Jan 23 06:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Linux makes an appearance in Glass. | Jan 23 06:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the computers is running GNOME with the Flashback session. | Jan 23 06:57 |
| MinceR | ew, gnome | Jan 23 07:00 |
| MinceR | gnome is a cancer >> https://imgur.com/pYuj8tW | Jan 23 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Jan 23 07:00 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 23 10:00 | |
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| MinceR | (nsfw) https://ircz.de/p/19011116 | Jan 23 14:51 |
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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2017-11-29 | Jan 23 15:49 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/17101018 | Jan 23 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 23 17:02 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Debian & #Ubuntu Fix Man-in-the-Middle Attack in APT Package Manager, Update Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119822 [https://pleroma.site/objects/39a2a140-1e47-4d5c-a825-72d8e38d5de8] | Jan 23 17:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Nasty security bug found and fixed in Linux apt http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119823 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e9acb002-7ecf-4a4b-825a-0dffa538a3da] | Jan 23 17:24 | |
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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2017-12-03 | Jan 23 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-12-03 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jan 23 17:28 | |
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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2017-12-04 | Jan 23 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Boss Finds A Thumb Drive - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-12-04 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jan 23 17:48 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So, I found out why it's going to cost $140 for the part and $30 for labor to replace my laptop keyboard. | Jan 23 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lenovo doesn't just provide replacement keyboards for the Yoga 900, it's the entire top panel, which includes the keyboard, touchpad, and all of the associated cables, wiring, and backlight. | Jan 23 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't save much money even if I did it myself because Lenovo retails the part for about the same price as Micro Center will sell it to me for, so for the extra $30, they can knock themselves out. :P | Jan 23 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | Does it take a Yog to replace it? :P | Jan 23 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | * Yogi | Jan 23 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, had I bought an extended warranty from Lenovo, it would have only cost me even more money ($100), because it would have expired in July 2018 instead of July 2017, and my keyboard would have still broken this month. | Jan 23 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm just glad I generally don't buy extended warranties unless it's a major purchase, like my car was. | Jan 23 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most consumer products are designed to last long enough that the additional year will have just expired before some major problem happens. | Jan 23 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: The Micro Center ordered the part and told me I could take the laptop home and they'll call me when it arrives. | Jan 23 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Said if I make it in before 6 PM, they can probably get it done same day. | Jan 23 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I'm just dealing with the broken keyboard for now. | Jan 23 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not a major pain in the ass. Really the problems are centered around t, y, and u. | Jan 23 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | shift+y shorts out and does nothing. The y key snapped off. The u key spring is messed up and prints too many times when I press it, and the t works about 2/3rds of the time. | Jan 23 21:36 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: its been getting that way for quite some time where the keyboard and top case is one part. | Jan 23 21:56 |
| oiaohm | Problem of attempting to be lighter and thinner. | Jan 23 21:56 |
| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2017-12-08 | Jan 23 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Elbonian Virus Infects Mission Statement - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-12-08 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jan 23 22:51 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 4.20.4, 4.19.17, 4.14.95, and 4.9.152 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119840 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e89ea8da-e17e-4c4d-9382-097abaff8000] | Jan 23 23:17 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top 10 Free Open Source Documents Management Platforms http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119841 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8e144bb6-9611-4004-a52c-a51f0a650bc5] | Jan 23 23:27 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: Well, the keyboard module does screw into the top case. | Jan 23 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bu they don't sell it apart from the whole thing. | Jan 23 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So to fix the keyboard I have to replace a touchpad that works fine. | Jan 23 23:30 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/573634.jpg | Jan 23 23:35 |
| schestowitz | <very dark humour | Jan 23 23:54 |
| schestowitz | sponge bob reference? | Jan 23 23:55 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't know | Jan 23 23:55 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Qt, Git, Django, Rust and Python http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119844 [https://pleroma.site/objects/509c9349-408f-4f38-ba39-dcf49912eed5] | Jan 24 00:06 | |
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| cubexyz | > DaemonFC[m]> Most consumer products are designed to last long enough that the additional year will have just expired before some major problem happens | Jan 24 00:10 |
| cubexyz | ok, I believe that is somewhat true but... | Jan 24 00:10 |
| cubexyz | I have computers, a printer and a scanner all >20 years old and it works | Jan 24 00:11 |
| cubexyz | a couple of computers are >30 years | Jan 24 00:11 |
| cubexyz | also LCD watches will last a long time | Jan 24 00:12 |
| cubexyz | on the other side of the coin none of my LCD monitors lasted 20 years | Jan 24 00:13 |
| cubexyz | many examples of old Zenith TVs lasting over 30 years | Jan 24 00:13 |
| cubexyz | so it's a mixed bag | Jan 24 00:13 |
| cubexyz | CRTs can last longer than LCDs I'd say | Jan 24 00:16 |
| cubexyz | on this IRC box I have a 1996 Philips CRT | Jan 24 00:17 |
| cubexyz | many many laptop failures... generally harder to fix | Jan 24 00:18 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: apt/apt-get, Blockchains and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119845 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c33aca48-46af-4b2f-83ac-7f6a64f8b906] | Jan 24 00:19 | |
| MinceR | it's easy to find _old_ stuff that lasts | Jan 24 00:20 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla Masking 'Content', ffsend and New Accountant or Chief Financial Officer (CFO)http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119846 [https://pleroma.site/objects/51719f64-852c-446d-8cae-8ba4c5d3e230] | Jan 24 00:22 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Netrunner's Unique Blackbird Soars to New Heights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119847 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1a467c8b-fe3d-4d0d-ae0d-98fe98e180dc] | Jan 24 00:28 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Okay. I found that minidlna works if you just change your home folder's permission to "access files" to other users. Doesn't need to be read/write and no need to make it recursive. | Jan 24 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So why does Ubuntu allow others to "create, delete, and execute" in another user's home folder? | Jan 24 00:32 |
| cubexyz | do a stat . in the home directory | Jan 24 00:38 |
| cubexyz | you'll probably get 0755 | Jan 24 00:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: DICOM Viewers, gotop and Cockpit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119848 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f0ddb0f9-39ec-4800-9d61-8509d4e4122d] | Jan 24 00:40 | |
| cubexyz | in ./etc/login.defs you can change | Jan 24 00:42 |
| cubexyz | UMASK | Jan 24 00:42 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 23/1/2019: Cockpit 186, Wine 4.0, Apt Security Issue http://techrights.org/2019/01/23/wine-4-0/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/71987da5-312c-44ec-a253-7ba609eaea36] | Jan 24 00:47 | |
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| cubexyz | so 777 - 022 = 755 | Jan 24 01:07 |
| cubexyz | er, not subtraction really | Jan 24 01:09 |
| cubexyz | it turns off bits and if they are already off they don't change | Jan 24 01:09 |
| cubexyz | but a different user shouldn't be able to change to your home directory | Jan 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50510978_342510786593734_6552044095483674624_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=529b0e34cf1a71f5a67f2ed6a5c6bcd0&oe=5CFF6FF2 | Jan 24 01:11 |
| cubexyz | or write files | Jan 24 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | cubexyz: Seems that access files is enough to let minidlna walk your home folder into Videos and Music and let it stream to your Roku. | Jan 24 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, read-only access is a lot better than allowing anyone to read, write, and execute. | Jan 24 01:18 |
| cubexyz | yes | Jan 24 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The write part means more security implications and the possibility of something running as another user malfunctioning and wiping things out in your home folder, even if you are the only user on the system. | Jan 24 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it was important for me to figure out the least amount of access possible to make the dlna server work. | Jan 24 01:20 |
| cubexyz | 644 I think, owner can read/write, everyone else can just read | Jan 24 01:21 |
| cubexyz | 444 if you really want to be safe :) | Jan 24 01:22 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/17100838 | Jan 24 07:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 24 07:57 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to Firee schestowitz aindilis pidgin_log | Jan 24 07:57 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119851 [https://pleroma.site/objects/486be670-37ff-41ac-b5ce-0942b89f7fa8] | Jan 24 11:43 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Get started with #LogicalDOC , an open source document management system https://opensource.com/article/19/1/productivity-tool-logicaldoc [https://pleroma.site/objects/719e5a7b-93e8-4469-b854-fe833ade0644] | Jan 24 13:05 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FSF: "Stalin’s Dream", GNU Compiler and Free Software Foundation's #Libreplanet Conference http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119854 [https://pleroma.site/objects/52ba790d-46aa-46da-84cd-b94b8001c6d5] | Jan 24 13:14 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Get started with LogicalDOC, an open source document management system http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119852 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ec9bd0aa-c6db-41e1-bcf5-6eb7b5304178] | Jan 24 13:15 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Canonical/Ubuntu News of the News: Dell's Laptops and Ubuntu Core 18 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119855 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c62b3c25-ca95-4476-a740-5009522a7f4d] | Jan 24 13:33 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Visualisation and GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119856 #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/88f18cca-5d62-4816-932a-5b31508b5e00] | Jan 24 13:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wine 4.0 as a Boon for GNU/Linux Gamers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119857 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ee5a3501-30a8-4c00-9af1-80e1437fa007] | Jan 24 14:02 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119858 [https://pleroma.site/objects/23012f4e-cc64-40fe-834e-908dd1187e72] | Jan 24 14:43 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man oiaohm schestowitz | Jan 24 14:52 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The AMD Radeon RX Vega Launch Performance Compared To 2019 Linux Drivers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119859 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a90fe8df-e371-4517-892e-b7b30e2c68ed] | Jan 24 14:57 | |
| MinceR | https://p1.picsto.re/ZpATB.jpg | Jan 24 15:06 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Foundation: Edge Computing, Hyperledger Project http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119860 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0543bb8a-2d37-497e-9bfd-6a9edee1824d] | Jan 24 15:15 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Insurgency: Sandstorm, Panda3D, Jon Shafer's At the Gates and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119861 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5fc69b27-f343-4914-adbd-38eac78eb967] | Jan 24 15:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: FUD, Panic, Hype, Fearless Security and Security Enhancements to the LVFS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119862 [https://pleroma.site/objects/abb6fcb5-0dd5-4db9-9b0b-9fd575be711e] | Jan 24 15:27 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/574938.jpg | Jan 24 16:01 |
| XRevan86 | > Russian lawmakers move forward with legislation banning online insults of state officials and outlawing the spread of ‘fake news’ | Jan 24 16:16 |
| XRevan86 | They indeed do. | Jan 24 16:16 |
| MinceR | what, they'll shut down their whole fake news network? | Jan 24 16:17 |
| MinceR | bold move for russia | Jan 24 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | Amusing after they said that this law is "unnecessarily" removing constitutional rights from citizens | Jan 24 16:17 |
| MinceR | citizens had constitutional rights? | Jan 24 16:17 |
| MinceR | lucky bastards | Jan 24 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently they slept on it and realised that. | Jan 24 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | they in fact don't | Jan 24 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | so what's there to lose | Jan 24 16:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 24 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | This reminds me that logs here are public. | Jan 24 16:24 |
| MinceR | only their chains | Jan 24 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | I formally apologise for anything I may have said negative about the Russian institutions. | Jan 24 16:25 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 24 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | I deeply respect Vladimir Putin, Dmitry Medvedev, Valentina Matvienko, United Russia, every duputy in the State Duma and I never doubted their integrity | Jan 24 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | https://cdn1.img.ria.ru/images/52271/74/522717422.jpg Valuyev is my personal favourite | Jan 24 16:27 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora, UUIDs, and user tracking http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119863 [https://pleroma.site/objects/abee3abc-8897-43fa-9ec2-fecea8b4de5a] | Jan 24 16:27 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 24 16:27 |
| MinceR | did they melt him from a block of ice? | Jan 24 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | He is a (former?) boxer. | Jan 24 16:28 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: 2038, Asynchronous I/O API, and Adiantum and Allwinner http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119864 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c0cbaba7-9f26-480f-a986-f4ebf8386caf] | Jan 24 16:36 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Woof – Easily Exchange Files Over a Local Network in Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119865 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5e3fa7ee-8274-4362-8f01-da219da090a8] | Jan 24 16:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu Studio 19.04 Has New Tricks Up Its Sleeve For Linux Creatives http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119866 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8d655732-3b88-412f-94b1-1f71030e5e6e] | Jan 24 17:01 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SUSE: #openSUSE Election and #SUSECON http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119867 #suse [https://pleroma.site/objects/e34ec6f5-af06-40d7-bfce-50212c5d5906] | Jan 24 17:04 | |
| schestowitz | [16:27] <XRevan86> https://cdn1.img.ria.ru/images/52271/74/522717422.jpg | Jan 24 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Did he given a testimony in Russia on back doors in Linux? | Jan 24 17:07 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: MinceRand why did Greg K-H go to Russia anyway? :-) | Jan 24 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I don't remember such a thing | Jan 24 17:08 |
| XRevan86 | seems unlikel | Jan 24 17:08 |
| XRevan86 | y | Jan 24 17:08 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: In fact, I cannot remember a thing he did as a deputy. | Jan 24 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | except showing up | Jan 24 17:09 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: lol | Jan 24 17:09 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: MATE desktop in Debian buster becomes remote desktop aware (RDA) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119868 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6273e70c-d854-4cb2-a0d8-c26264f6cb8f] | Jan 24 17:13 | |
| *XRevan86 did some surface digging and found only that he has some questionable real estate (who doesn't? (deep respects nontheless)) and did some illegal hunting on beavers. | Jan 24 17:15 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LibreOffice 6.2 Quality Assurance and LibreOffice on Chromebooks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119869 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2b68ec5c-340f-496d-be34-a285e6d99a92] | Jan 24 17:16 | |
| XRevan86 | https://image.newsru.com/pict/id/large/1573670_20130625113020.gif "Vivu la morto!", yes. | Jan 24 17:19 |
| schestowitz | cruel | Jan 24 17:20 |
| MinceR | "Tod ist mein Leben!" | Jan 24 17:21 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mind map yourself using #FreeMind and Fedora http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119870 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0024d9ce-1a45-4406-b2a8-83f2ece41089] | Jan 24 17:25 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Red Hat JBoss Enterprise Appplication Platform (EAP), Coding on a Chromebook, HPC and What’s New In Python 3.7.2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119871 [https://pleroma.site/objects/63193a14-7bb6-482d-94c7-5f9aca154cfb] | Jan 24 18:23 | |
| XRevan86 | > https://pleroma.site/notice/9f6NlBgFZTTEF8kC2a | Jan 24 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | What does that tell about RT and Sputnik? Probably that they deserve my deep respects. | Jan 24 19:02 |
| MinceR | dunno, but their decision regarding fake news means RT's days are numbered anyway :> | Jan 24 19:32 |
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| cubexyz | MinceR, I've done some research and it seems that a lot of very good electronics was made from 1975-1981 and probably before that | Jan 24 19:59 |
| cubexyz | many examples of radios from that time which still work well | Jan 24 19:59 |
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| MinceR | ic | Jan 24 20:02 |
| cubexyz | cell phones and laptops are almost in the disposable category while a radio that does AM/FM, SW, VHF is still useful | Jan 24 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No-no, you don't get it | Jan 24 20:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Fake news are news that are NOT made by RT | Jan 24 20:03 |
| XRevan86 | It's a very special definition | Jan 24 20:03 |
| MinceR | riiiiight | Jan 24 20:06 |
| *MinceR smiles and nods to the camera | Jan 24 20:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts: BSD, elementary OS, Going Linux and TLLTS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119872 [https://pleroma.site/objects/60260ae7-5289-4fad-8873-916454126073] | Jan 24 20:07 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: LLVM 8.0, WWW, Software Dependency Problem, C++ and Python http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119873 [https://pleroma.site/objects/afad713b-4e63-4082-9258-4adb8b3fda8f] | Jan 24 20:09 | |
| XRevan86 | A special news report: an anti-Erdogan activist from EU, Hungary, showed his teeth with a vicious smile to a RT news reporter, demostrating the low level of morality in the opposition circles of Hungary. | Jan 24 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | The reporter notes that the acitivist also moved his head up and down, showing his hair area, possibly hinting in disrespect at the baldness of Vladimir Putin. | Jan 24 20:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 24 20:14 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: WebRender, DLLs, VR and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119875 [https://pleroma.site/objects/14dcb8d5-90cb-4043-8a67-26cf480b851d] | Jan 24 20:22 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Server: OpenStack, Kubic, Dockter and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119877 [https://pleroma.site/objects/27f88160-f9d2-4c60-a18d-e333e713b65d] | Jan 24 20:53 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: fx_cast Adds Chromecast Support To Firefox http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119878 [https://pleroma.site/objects/28b6ddfc-04f3-4393-b245-0bbf9ce3b89a] | Jan 24 21:02 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Foundation: LF Edge, Embedded Linux Conference (ELC), Kubernetes Day India and CNCF http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119879 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8be591dc-1f68-4b46-8dce-6dcd1d080a17] | Jan 24 21:08 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Latest on Mesa and #AMDGPU http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119880 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ac3478a4-1f2a-49e2-9255-34ae8df645f4] | Jan 24 21:10 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 'Toolsets' for Linux: ModemManager, WireGuard and APFS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119881 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6e552fc6-dfd8-4ac5-9c87-f669792fd5df] | Jan 24 21:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Introductory Go Programming Tutorial http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119882 [https://pleroma.site/objects/37cf0c16-2143-4549-9951-719fc1967d15] | Jan 24 21:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Cultist Simulator, Don't Starve Together, Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire, Humble Winter Sale Encore, Pikuniku and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119883 [https://pleroma.site/objects/55987628-7a70-429a-aeec-a39154756c27] | Jan 24 22:02 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119884 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2fcf8a94-7985-4c8b-8745-ca7e43915e12] | Jan 24 22:21 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora: Wiping Windows, Call for Maintainers, Fedora openQA and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119885 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a7decd9d-719f-470e-abf8-1b2236c8b446] | Jan 24 22:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Orpie and Some Proprietary Software for GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119886 [https://pleroma.site/objects/af9d6241-eb63-4d27-a8c0-13814f2d7426] | Jan 24 22:27 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 24/1/2019: Kubic, Opera 58 and More http://techrights.org/2019/01/24/opera-58-and-more/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/740d45fa-3a37-4e13-9956-96a5088ade44] | Jan 24 22:36 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/574636.jpg | Jan 24 23:58 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/17100837 | Jan 25 00:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 25 00:02 | |
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| MinceR | https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gyab5m/its-now-clear-none-of-the-supposed-benefits-of-killing-net-neutrality-are-real | Jan 25 01:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com | It's Now Clear None of the Supposed Benefits of Killing Net Neutrality Are Real - Motherboard | Jan 25 01:02 | |
| XRevan86 | Was it ever unclear? | Jan 25 01:05 |
| MinceR | to sane people, no | Jan 25 01:09 |
| MinceR | to authoritarians, it remains so | Jan 25 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | They didn't even try to throw a bone like "taxes will be lower", it's just being screwed for free. | Jan 25 01:11 |
| XRevan86 | (not like supporting net neutrality actually costs anything to the state) | Jan 25 01:11 |
| MinceR | those who see through the lies wouldn't be fooled by that | Jan 25 01:12 |
| MinceR | the believers don't need it | Jan 25 01:12 |
| MinceR | and it would cost them money | Jan 25 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | Unless they have a share in Comcast | Jan 25 01:13 |
| XRevan86 | Granted they may have relatives who might want a functioning Internet, but hey, they should just get a share too | Jan 25 01:18 |
| MinceR | or move to a saner country | Jan 25 01:18 |
| XRevan86 | But then they won't be able to own a gun or be shot | Jan 25 01:20 |
| XRevan86 | I've heard that's a human right | Jan 25 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | (to be shot) | Jan 25 01:21 |
| MinceR | time for activism, i guess | Jan 25 01:21 |
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| XRevan86 | If they want to do pro-gun activism, maybe they should just stay put %) | Jan 25 01:22 |
| cubexyz | I don't use comcast but I've heard lots of complaints about them | Jan 25 01:26 |
| MinceR | it's easier to do with a working internet connection | Jan 25 01:27 |
| MinceR | having a gun might not help so much in unfucking the state of internet services in the country, OTOH | Jan 25 01:27 |
| MinceR | then again, if they were sufficiently heavily armed, they could do it | Jan 25 01:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Speaking of working internet access.... | Jan 25 05:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After the move, we'll be behind a hill and with no neighbors. | Jan 25 05:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Should clean up the wifi reception quite a bit. | Jan 25 05:16 |
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| schestowitz | [01:05] <XRevan86> Was it ever unclear? | Jan 25 05:56 |
| schestowitz | no | Jan 25 05:56 |
| schestowitz | dumb headline from them | Jan 25 05:56 |
| schestowitz | their site spams me with two - not just one - autoplaying video | Jan 25 05:56 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Get started with Freeplane, an open source mind mapping application http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119890 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b13fdd68-68d9-448d-82f4-0b1d1f9aa7fb] | Jan 25 08:50 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119891 [https://pleroma.site/objects/83cf5a09-18ee-4281-95b2-0d8fd922d7d6] | Jan 25 08:51 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How to Disable SELinux? But Should You Really Do That? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119892 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fa3408a4-0998-4bde-8c25-d36cc74152fe] | Jan 25 10:36 | |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/wzzL1ol.jpg | Jan 25 11:30 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Aukxj9d.gifv | Jan 25 12:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | That’s a powerful magnet! | Jan 25 12:15 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/5w7nnbc | Jan 25 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hit it then quit it - Album on Imgur | Jan 25 12:52 | |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/3X95Dyf.jpg | Jan 25 13:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 40 years later: "you claim it to be rational for not believing in spirits, but I saw a dead man with my own eyes; you may have logic, but I have experience." | Jan 25 13:07 |
| MinceR | spirits are unnecessary for men to die :> | Jan 25 13:08 |
| XRevan86 | Mr. Spock: You win this round, feminine Captain Kirk. | Jan 25 13:08 |
| XRevan86 | s/a (dead man)/a walking \1/ | Jan 25 13:09 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 25 13:09 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19010828 | Jan 25 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 25 13:38 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: She took her shoes off | Jan 25 13:50 |
| MinceR | well, that fixes everything, then | Jan 25 13:51 |
| XRevan86 | Also: $4 for 1kg of pork ham. | Jan 25 13:52 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/17100725 | Jan 25 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 25 14:10 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19010827 | Jan 25 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 25 14:44 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's like snow, but gives cancer. | Jan 25 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | whole year | Jan 25 14:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 25 14:47 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19010826 | Jan 25 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 25 15:12 | |
| MinceR | https://gizmodo.com/mark-zuckerberg-thinks-you-dont-trust-facebook-because-1832040327 | Jan 25 16:10 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1901073 | Jan 25 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 25 16:40 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: I have been watching the Linux.conf.au 2019 videos BSD guy talking about systemd is a good watch for me. I forgot first post about systemd in fact says that it design starts out of launchd from OS X. Interesting enough pulseaudio is also based in part on OS X sound system. | Jan 25 17:10 |
| MinceR | yawn | Jan 25 17:11 |
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| MinceR | though the implication that you believe OSuX to not be a raging garbage fire is somewhat amusing | Jan 25 17:15 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo Really would be worth watch. Long term BSD developer on the topic of systemd. | Jan 25 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Tragedy of systemd - YouTube | Jan 25 17:18 | |
| oiaohm | Yes covers why people think systemd is like windows but systemd history is launchd and SMF for features. | Jan 25 17:20 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19010536 | Jan 25 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 25 17:32 | |
| MinceR | btw, yesterday cancerd on n00buntu at work gave me the old "a stop job is running" bullshit again | Jan 25 17:33 |
| MinceR | the NFS server is not reachable? well i guess you'll just have to turn the machine off with the switch because lennart hasn't heard of timeouts or ctrl-c | Jan 25 17:33 |
| MinceR | good thing it was in a vm | Jan 25 17:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: possible you vm or ubuntu decided to disable systemd watchdog. | Jan 25 17:35 |
| MinceR | i didn't bother with it | Jan 25 17:36 |
| MinceR | i do most of the work on funtoo, which is somehow rock solid | Jan 25 17:36 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jan 25 17:36 |
| oiaohm | Systemd has intergrated watchdog support. So yes it was built to have timeouts. | Jan 25 17:37 |
| oiaohm | You said Lennart had not heard of them that is totally false. | Jan 25 17:38 |
| MinceR | well, then they just don't work | Jan 25 17:39 |
| MinceR | that's a great relief and makes a great deal of a difference | Jan 25 17:39 |
| MinceR | because in one case i can press keys wildly and nothing happens, except the ubuntu logo appears or disappears or a few lines of text are printed or the timer restarts from zero | Jan 25 17:39 |
| MinceR | but in the other case i can press keys wildly and nothing happens, except the ubuntu logo appears or disappears or a few lines of text are printed or the timer restarts from zero! | Jan 25 17:40 |
| MinceR | talking to oiaohm is as productive as always | Jan 25 17:40 |
| MinceR | incidentally, about as productive as trying to use lendows in business | Jan 25 17:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am sorry again they do work. | Jan 25 17:41 |
| MinceR | please don't highlight me in your lies | Jan 25 17:41 |
| MinceR | i'm sure ibm/rh doesn't pay you for that | Jan 25 17:41 |
| oiaohm | Not lies | Jan 25 17:41 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu manages to have scripted a loop. | Jan 25 17:41 |
| oiaohm | If they had done that with sysvinit (as they had in the past) It stuff up as well. | Jan 25 17:42 |
| MinceR | that's the gnome culture for you | Jan 25 17:42 |
| oiaohm | A watchdog system is good as long as someone does not code in a autoreset while totally ignoring what is wrong. | Jan 25 17:43 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu solution to watchdog brutally killing some databases was to set a watchdog reset on everything on shutdown. | Jan 25 17:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Missing cntrl-c command I will give you. someone deciding to set watchdog/timeout reset incorrectly there is only so much a init system design can save you from. | Jan 25 17:45 |
| MinceR | maybe you can sell some redhat crap to my clients and then i'll be able to tell you the ways in which that sucks too | Jan 25 17:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: most likely you will get you self fired for false claims if that ever happened. | Jan 25 17:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 25 17:47 |
| oiaohm | Like the one right now that systemd does not have timeouts. It does. They work. | Jan 25 17:47 |
| MinceR | at least sometimes your retardation is amusing | Jan 25 17:47 |
| oiaohm | there is a include method to allow extending of time out. | Jan 25 17:47 |
| MinceR | too rarely | Jan 25 17:47 |
| oiaohm | and ubuntu absuses the living heck out of it. | Jan 25 17:47 |
| oiaohm | Resulting in so really annoying 1.5 hour timeout cycles. | Jan 25 17:48 |
| oiaohm | Yep after it reset the 5 min time out so you get to 1.5 hour it finally allows the watchdog to do it job and kill the stuck item. | Jan 25 17:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there would be no way you would have waited 1.5 hours to find out it was not in fact stuck but broken ubuntu init config. | Jan 25 17:49 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 25 17:50 |
| MinceR | next time i'll just log 1.5h on waiting for a vm to shut down, that won't get me fired for sure | Jan 25 17:50 |
| oiaohm | I was seeing multi strangeness out of ubuntu images. | Jan 25 17:50 |
| oiaohm | So I worked out how to intentionally jam one and left it over night to see if it would recover at all. | Jan 25 17:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note I was seeing debian images shutdown fine while Ubuntu images were hanging. | Jan 25 17:53 |
| oiaohm | and it was the watchdog mistake. | Jan 25 17:53 |
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| oiaohm | To be correct no 100% fine debian images were brute force killing the the hung service at worst on the second count through. | Jan 25 17:54 |
| MinceR | somehow none of this hot air made ctrl-c work | Jan 25 17:57 |
| MinceR | keep trying | Jan 25 17:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: did you know option to turn on ctrl-c on systemd. | Jan 25 18:01 |
| oiaohm | Of course not. | Jan 25 18:02 |
| oiaohm | You are only looking at Ubuntu. | Jan 25 18:02 |
| oiaohm | Its on it debian. | Jan 25 18:02 |
| MinceR | typical systemd to offer options where they're not needed and not offer them where they are | Jan 25 18:02 |
| oiaohm | You can script block ctrl-c under sysvinit as well. | Jan 25 18:02 |
| MinceR | and to have insane defaults | Jan 25 18:02 |
| MinceR | i never had issues with sysvinit | Jan 25 18:02 |
| MinceR | probably because it doesn't try to do everything in the world | Jan 25 18:03 |
| oiaohm | Mainline systemd has ctrl-c on in default from the version that support it that was 5 years ago. | Jan 25 18:03 |
| oiaohm | distributions have been turning it off. | Jan 25 18:03 |
| MinceR | the time spent badly reinventing and reimplementing all those things could have been instead invested into making systemd stable and reliable | Jan 25 18:03 |
| MinceR | of course, then they wouldn't get to latch millions of tentacles into the OS to make it hard to remove | Jan 25 18:04 |
| oiaohm | the default build of systemd from upstream has a lot of sane defaults. | Jan 25 18:04 |
| MinceR | they would merely make it possibly worthy of retaining despite it being easy to remove | Jan 25 18:04 |
| MinceR | but that's not the gnome way, is it? | Jan 25 18:04 |
| oiaohm | Really watch the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo video it covers that tentalces argument. | Jan 25 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Tragedy of systemd - YouTube | Jan 25 18:05 | |
| oiaohm | BSD provides a unified core system for the same reasons. | Jan 25 18:05 |
| oiaohm | So this is not the gnome/redhat way alone. | Jan 25 18:05 |
| MinceR | i'll see if their "unified core system" is an unusable pile of hacks and design flaws too | Jan 25 18:06 |
| MinceR | but i bet they don't need to resort to trickery and artificial incompatibility to force that "unified core system" on users | Jan 25 18:06 |
| MinceR | i also have yet to see someone harrass an application developer to remove a feature so it would be a proper "BSD application" | Jan 25 18:07 |
| MinceR | i wonder why | Jan 25 18:07 |
| oiaohm | You are not in bsd world. | Jan 25 18:07 |
| MinceR | i'm not in the lendows world either | Jan 25 18:08 |
| MinceR | i'm just occasionally forced to visit | Jan 25 18:08 |
| MinceR | and, like the microsoft world, every time it proves itself to be a total pain | Jan 25 18:08 |
| oiaohm | people making stuff for BSD core have been harrassed because their application was not Posix enough. | Jan 25 18:08 |
| oiaohm | Not posix enough it cannot be a BSD application right? | Jan 25 18:09 |
| oiaohm | Like or not you see BSD developers harrassed for using BSD only features. | Jan 25 18:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that harrassment was covered in the video I told you to watch. | Jan 25 18:10 |
| oiaohm | Things are not as different as you would think. | Jan 25 18:11 |
| MinceR | an over 47 minute advertisement for cancerd? | Jan 25 18:11 |
| MinceR | what do i look like, made of time? | Jan 25 18:11 |
| MinceR | also, despite all this bullshit, there are portable applications and services coming from the BSD world | Jan 25 18:12 |
| MinceR | you may have heard of the one called OpenSSH | Jan 25 18:12 |
| oiaohm | Not a good argument. Many security flaws in OpenSSH history came out of lets using Posix only functions.. | Jan 25 18:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: The Tragedy of systemd << did you not read the title. Its not 100 percent for systemd. | Jan 25 18:19 |
| MinceR | yet you keep pushing it | Jan 25 18:19 |
| MinceR | so it's likely for cancerd | Jan 25 18:19 |
| oiaohm | Really main reason is covers lot of the issues why we need better solutions and most of the errors you keep on making about systemd. | Jan 25 18:21 |
| MinceR | you don't even know what a better solution is | Jan 25 18:22 |
| oiaohm | Really that so you can just be insulting. | Jan 25 18:24 |
| oiaohm | That video covers some of the reason why we have not been seeing better solutions. | Jan 25 18:31 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/et7wpYW.gifv | Jan 25 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Skylight shenanigans. | Jan 25 18:32 | |
| MinceR | one doesn't need a video to know that | Jan 25 18:33 |
| MinceR | it's because the cult managed to force this pile of shit cancerd on most users and locked it in place | Jan 25 18:33 |
| MinceR | they took over debian to make it happen | Jan 25 18:34 |
| oiaohm | LOL | Jan 25 18:36 |
| oiaohm | still have not watched the video. | Jan 25 18:36 |
| oiaohm | the idea that forced is wrong. | Jan 25 18:36 |
| MinceR | it's true even if some freebsd guy lies about it in a video | Jan 25 18:37 |
| oiaohm | There is a problem that makes systemd highly to resist to distribution maintainers even without outside force. | Jan 25 18:37 |
| MinceR | but hey, at least they have a CoC | Jan 25 18:37 |
| MinceR | do you have an english translation of that sentence? | Jan 25 18:38 |
| oiaohm | its the configuration stuff being made more uniform and less hack multi different packages under different maintains and pray it works. | Jan 25 18:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: think about you are a distribution maintainer. Have to maintain a stack of custom script so the system boots that you have to change every time one of those invidually maintained packages changes you are not going to be a highly happy person right. | Jan 25 18:39 |
| oiaohm | The people for most distributions maintaining sysvinit/upstart and stuff like it were not particularlly happy. | Jan 25 18:40 |
| MinceR | at least those different maintainers have some idea of what they're doing | Jan 25 18:40 |
| MinceR | the cancerd circlejerk cabal has none | Jan 25 18:40 |
| oiaohm | systemd is giving same maintainers less trouble than the old spreed out scatter shot. | Jan 25 18:41 |
| MinceR | also, none of this bullshit is making cancerd reliable or sysvinit/rc unreliable, somehow | Jan 25 18:41 |
| MinceR | it is also not making openrc unreliable | Jan 25 18:41 |
| MinceR | but keep trying by all means | Jan 25 18:41 |
| oiaohm | systemd is more reliable to distribution maintainers than what they were doing in there sysvinit time frame. | Jan 25 18:42 |
| MinceR | well, sure, it's easier to maintain a spin of fedora than an operating system | Jan 25 18:42 |
| MinceR | it's just that any spin of fedora is still a train wreck | Jan 25 18:42 |
| MinceR | while unixes actually work | Jan 25 18:42 |
| oiaohm | LOL | Jan 25 18:42 |
| MinceR | (maybe except for freebsd, considering that they're full of shit) | Jan 25 18:42 |
| oiaohm | I have seen enough Unixs be total train wrecks. | Jan 25 18:42 |
| MinceR | ah, maybe i should hire a distribution maintainer to boot/shutdown ubuntu for me then | Jan 25 18:42 |
| MinceR | i'm sure it would work better then | Jan 25 18:42 |
| oiaohm | I remember solaris where it was not unsable until you installed a lot of gnu stuff. | Jan 25 18:43 |
| oiaohm | Unix actually working out the box did not always happen. | Jan 25 18:43 |
| oiaohm | Yes new sun server failed to boot because the default shell would not run one of the init scripts I had happen once. Go in by recovery install gnu bash and everything was good. | Jan 25 18:44 |
| MinceR | was that the one with SMF? | Jan 25 18:45 |
| oiaohm | The one before SMF | Jan 25 18:45 |
| oiaohm | The ones with SMF in fact would boot out box. | Jan 25 18:45 |
| oiaohm | Please note that failure with that solaris box was default install no added software failure. | Jan 25 18:46 |
| oiaohm | I have seen HPUX and few other Unix do that. | Jan 25 18:47 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people look at Unix with rose coloured glasses. | Jan 25 18:47 |
| oiaohm | Posix model is particular bad. We with not design the best functions. We will standardise what functions look like the most common. | Jan 25 18:50 |
| oiaohm | Like gets() being in posix standard from the start to 2008 even that it known to be a absolute source of buffer overflow errors. | Jan 25 18:52 |
| MinceR | gets is deprecated | Jan 25 18:53 |
| oiaohm | Now it is. | Jan 25 18:53 |
| MinceR | and nobody's come up with a better model so far | Jan 25 18:53 |
| oiaohm | Has anyone really tried. | Jan 25 18:53 |
| MinceR | not sure | Jan 25 18:53 |
| MinceR | there's an awful lot of idiots with lots of pull doing things in OS development | Jan 25 18:53 |
| MinceR | like poettering and cutler | Jan 25 18:53 |
| MinceR | no surprise they couldn\' | Jan 25 18:54 |
| MinceR | no surprise they couldn't come up with anything better than unix | Jan 25 18:54 |
| oiaohm | poettering is mostly coping OS X stuff. | Jan 25 18:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, yesterday you said it was solaris, today you say it was osx | Jan 25 18:54 |
| oiaohm | with some solaris stuff mixed in. | Jan 25 18:54 |
| MinceR | i wonder what you will say tomorrow | Jan 25 18:54 |
| oiaohm | cgroups come from zones. | Jan 25 18:54 |
| oiaohm | zones is solaris. | Jan 25 18:54 |
| MinceR | but you can compare it to anything and it will still be shit | Jan 25 18:55 |
| oiaohm | There is not a feature like cgroups in OS X. | Jan 25 18:55 |
| MinceR | shit design with shit implementation, just like windows | Jan 25 18:55 |
| MinceR | with an army of dumb fucks trying to stuff it down people's throats | Jan 25 18:55 |
| MinceR | just like windows | Jan 25 18:55 |
| oiaohm | systemd in fact has a lot of good design points. | Jan 25 18:59 |
| oiaohm | Lot of bad implementation. | Jan 25 18:59 |
| oiaohm | Old saying don't through the baby out with the bath water. There are things that systemd does that are kind of the right ways to take on problem. | Jan 25 19:00 |
| MinceR | no, in fact you're wrong about a lot of OS design | Jan 25 19:00 |
| MinceR | and systemd's design is a pretty good demonstration of how not to design an OS | Jan 25 19:00 |
| oiaohm | Ok what do you think are systemd key design points. | Jan 25 19:01 |
| MinceR | and there's nothing you get to keep while throwing out the rest, as it's designed to be a malicious hairball | Jan 25 19:01 |
| oiaohm | ?? | Jan 25 19:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: list systemd key design points? | Jan 25 19:01 |
| MinceR | - force everything, poettering knows better | Jan 25 19:01 |
| oiaohm | No that is not a design point. | Jan 25 19:01 |
| MinceR | - reinvent everything, whether it's needed or not | Jan 25 19:01 |
| oiaohm | That a is poor maintainership. | Jan 25 19:01 |
| MinceR | - eliminate unix APIs, force stupid shit based on dbugs | Jan 25 19:01 |
| MinceR | - use as few daemons as possible, pretend processes are expensive like on winblows NT | Jan 25 19:02 |
| oiaohm | Reinvent everything why did system inport udev and other parts? | Jan 25 19:02 |
| MinceR | - ignore POSIX, make sure it isn't portable from Linux, refuse patches that fix this | Jan 25 19:02 |
| MinceR | - comment nothing | Jan 25 19:02 |
| MinceR | - don't program defensively | Jan 25 19:02 |
| MinceR | - churn the code as much as possible, to make it difficult to maintain forks | Jan 25 19:02 |
| oiaohm | Sorry reinvent everything does not match design policy of systemd tones of examples where that did not happen. | Jan 25 19:02 |
| MinceR | - make up new and stupid policies and force them on users | Jan 25 19:03 |
| MinceR | - make everything depend on everything else | Jan 25 19:03 |
| oiaohm | Ignore Posix. as BSD developers say Posix API development was basically dead before systemd started. | Jan 25 19:03 |
| MinceR | - make GNOME depend on cancerd and use that as a weapon to force cancerd on distros like debian | Jan 25 19:03 |
| MinceR | did i leave out something? | Jan 25 19:03 |
| oiaohm | Systemd internally is highly moduler this is why elogind can be extracted from systemd. | Jan 25 19:04 |
| MinceR | oh, i did | Jan 25 19:04 |
| oiaohm | So everything depend on everything else is not exactly true either. | Jan 25 19:04 |
| MinceR | - ignore all input, call everyone who dissents an idiot, close all bugs without fixing them, pretend lennart can do no wrong | Jan 25 19:04 |
| MinceR | no, it is not highly modular | Jan 25 19:04 |
| MinceR | poettering claimed you couldn't even run cancerd without journald | Jan 25 19:04 |
| MinceR | he claimed it was highly modular because there were a number of CLI utilities for the sole reason of managing the daemons | Jan 25 19:05 |
| MinceR | that is not modularity, it merely highlights that poettering is clueless about software engineering | Jan 25 19:05 |
| MinceR | oh, that brings up another principle | Jan 25 19:05 |
| MinceR | - abhor cohesion always | Jan 25 19:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: was true at one point. Then poettering did the patches to allow systemd to run without journald and that is git history fact. | Jan 25 19:05 |
| oiaohm | Sorry systemd is highly modular and has got more modular as the years have gone on at the demards of embedded developers. | Jan 25 19:06 |
| MinceR | elogind is a separate program and it's still shit | Jan 25 19:06 |
| MinceR | for example, it still kills processes from exiting sessions | Jan 25 19:06 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119900 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d3258c26-7823-462d-ba63-31c526bd47e3] | Jan 25 19:06 | |
| MinceR | even though that's idiotic and breaks screen, tmux, dtach, cron, etc. | Jan 25 19:06 |
| oiaohm | elogind is source is a systemd source with all the correct flags set to build logind without the other parts. | Jan 25 19:07 |
| MinceR | oh, yet another principle | Jan 25 19:07 |
| MinceR | - abhor scripts, as the admins and users could read them, learn from them and modify them. turn everything into blobs if you can. | Jan 25 19:07 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #ElementaryOS: How I Learned To Stop Tweaking And Love The Workflow http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119899 [https://pleroma.site/objects/746c92d3-19b5-4d25-ab22-3000a043aa9a] | Jan 25 19:08 | |
| oiaohm | Have you looked at the memory usage of those scripts. | Jan 25 19:08 |
| MinceR | - do as much as possible in PID 1 as it's a critical process and it dying can cause problems for the kernel | Jan 25 19:08 |
| MinceR | i don't care | Jan 25 19:08 |
| oiaohm | There is still a on going cat fight inside systemd developers over how to refactor PID1. | Jan 25 19:09 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Bringing open-source rhyme and reason to edge computing: LF Edge http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119898 [https://pleroma.site/objects/88e192b6-174b-42f8-8135-996b2a1da36c] | Jan 25 19:09 | |
| MinceR | if i cared, i'd replace them with something that used less memory, but i wouldn't link the whole thing with tentacles to make it impossible to use scripts | Jan 25 19:09 |
| oiaohm | PID1 doing too much did not come from systemd at first. | Jan 25 19:09 |
| MinceR | that's great | Jan 25 19:09 |
| oiaohm | Came from a stupid mistake in the cgroup side. | Jan 25 19:09 |
| MinceR | it's something that they should have done BEFORE they put it in an alleged "stable" distro release | Jan 25 19:09 |
| oiaohm | Remember the old cgroup manager. | Jan 25 19:09 |
| oiaohm | It had to start at PID1 so it could alter the cgroup settings. | Jan 25 19:10 |
| MinceR | it's something that they should have done BEFORE they destroyed debian from within so they could force their half-baked shit on users | Jan 25 19:10 |
| oiaohm | This comes before systemd and is in existance at the start of systemd. | Jan 25 19:10 |
| MinceR | which brings me to another principle cancerd is built on | Jan 25 19:10 |
| oiaohm | This was not a redhat developer mistake either. | Jan 25 19:10 |
| MinceR | - forget "think before you code". code without thinking, and don't start thinking later either. | Jan 25 19:10 |
| oiaohm | cgroup manager thing was an attempt to save from having to rewrite cgroupv1 | Jan 25 19:11 |
| MinceR | it was done by gnome people on redhat's payroll, afaik | Jan 25 19:11 |
| MinceR | and yes, cgroups should have been completed before using them in init/rc | Jan 25 19:11 |
| MinceR | cgroups are still broken, afaik | Jan 25 19:11 |
| MinceR | and the way things are going, they will never be fixed because Linux was also taken over by these toxic idiots who believe they can do no wrong | Jan 25 19:11 |
| oiaohm | cgroupv2 only need freeser before it fully functional. | Jan 25 19:11 |
| MinceR | well, where's that "freeser"? | Jan 25 19:12 |
| MinceR | we're getting close to 4 years of debian releases without a stable init/rc system because cgroups sucks | Jan 25 19:12 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Windows Server 2019 vs. Linux vs. FreeBSD Gigabit & 10GbE Networking Performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119897 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e6e5616b-7e16-42bc-be60-9b5797e7f728] | Jan 25 19:13 | |
| MinceR | and over 4 years of rHELL releases without one, but i guess that doesn't matter, as rHELL was unfixable shit before too | Jan 25 19:13 |
| oiaohm | freezer is required in cgroups for suspend and transfer of cgroups. | Jan 25 19:13 |
| oiaohm | All the other parts are in 5.0 | Jan 25 19:13 |
| MinceR | almost 8 years of fedora releases with this half-baked monstrosity as default | Jan 25 19:14 |
| MinceR | LTS for the last debian release which was _actually_ stable ended in last may | Jan 25 19:15 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wine-Staging 4.0 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119896 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8205a441-b06c-43af-9948-11526ed25dc2] | Jan 25 19:15 | |
| oiaohm | fully functional cgroupv2 will mean docker and other things can swap over to it. Then distributions will be able to start disabling cgroupv1 always out box. | Jan 25 19:15 |
| MinceR | how do people run their production systems without a stable OS? | Jan 25 19:15 |
| MinceR | oh lol, docker | Jan 25 19:15 |
| MinceR | docker won't even talk to an http proxy when i tell it to | Jan 25 19:15 |
| MinceR | what a laugh riot | Jan 25 19:15 |
| oiaohm | sitting on cgroupv1 is not a nice place to be. | Jan 25 19:16 |
| MinceR | sitting on _any_ cgroups is not a nice place to be | Jan 25 19:16 |
| MinceR | it's alpha quality at best, with developers who have apparently given up | Jan 25 19:16 |
| oiaohm | I force large number of my images on to cgroupv2 | Jan 25 19:16 |
| MinceR | have fun | Jan 25 19:16 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top 5 Linux Distributions for Development in 2019 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119895 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b8937188-2acb-4b3c-98bc-56e04c704b6a] | Jan 25 19:16 | |
| MinceR | i guess your business doesn't mind outages | Jan 25 19:16 |
| oiaohm | They are not using freezer | Jan 25 19:16 |
| oiaohm | It to reduce outages | Jan 25 19:16 |
| MinceR | maybe you can afford someone to hold down the power button on servers and reset them to make up for cancerd being unfit for its alleged primary purpose | Jan 25 19:17 |
| MinceR | and to reboot servers 9 times per day because just like microsoft, red hat has a fetish for reboots | Jan 25 19:17 |
| MinceR | hell, they did actual work to implement updates with forced reboots on gnome | Jan 25 19:18 |
| oiaohm | 9 times a day what the hell are you doing wrong. | Jan 25 19:18 |
| MinceR | i'm not doing anything wrong, you are | Jan 25 19:18 |
| MinceR | i update daemons and automatically restart them if needed, while the system keeps working | Jan 25 19:18 |
| oiaohm | watchdog cards mean you don't need person to presss power button that what those cards are for. | Jan 25 19:18 |
| MinceR | ah, nice | Jan 25 19:18 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Pear, GandCrab, 'Smart' Things, DNS and FUD at CBS (ZDNet) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119901 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f32c5f02-ca64-4379-a1f1-08f85df4d011] | Jan 25 19:19 | |
| MinceR | who cares for the work lost in processes running on the machine | Jan 25 19:19 |
| MinceR | though i have something even better for you | Jan 25 19:19 |
| MinceR | put dos on them and put reboot.com in the autoexec.bat | Jan 25 19:19 |
| MinceR | put this in reboot.com (hex): EA 00 00 FF FF | Jan 25 19:19 |
| MinceR | you can get all the reboots you ever dreamed of | Jan 25 19:20 |
| MinceR | faster than ever! | Jan 25 19:20 |
| MinceR | who cares about getting work done when you can instead reboot all day! | Jan 25 19:20 |
| MinceR | (and it will be so fast too!) | Jan 25 19:20 |
| oiaohm | There are two ways work is lost not one. | Jan 25 19:21 |
| oiaohm | 1 is the loss of what was in memory. 2 is not being able to assign anything to that machine because it doing nothing. | Jan 25 19:21 |
| oiaohm | bar being stuck. | Jan 25 19:21 |
| MinceR | though i guess you could put the reboot code in the boot sector | Jan 25 19:22 |
| MinceR | then it would be even faster | Jan 25 19:22 |
| oiaohm | Have you ever used intel remote jtag. | Jan 25 19:22 |
| MinceR | no | Jan 25 19:22 |
| MinceR | you could even add code to output something on a serial port and count the reboots on another machine | Jan 25 19:23 |
| oiaohm | thought so. | Jan 25 19:23 |
| MinceR | sadly, that other machine would have to run unix so it can be up all day | Jan 25 19:23 |
| MinceR | but you'll know how many reboots you did each day! | Jan 25 19:23 |
| oiaohm | cntrl-c not working on systemd is not really problem when you can remote jtag in and access the linux systems running processes. | Jan 25 19:23 |
| MinceR | yeah | Jan 25 19:23 |
| oiaohm | Those making systemd had too much access to high end tools. | Jan 25 19:24 |
| MinceR | systemd being a total piece of shit is not really a problem when you can replace it with something that wasn't designed or implemented by complete fucktards | Jan 25 19:24 |
| MinceR | no, they had too little access to high level brain functionality | Jan 25 19:24 |
| oiaohm | Adding python to gdb so that you could list all Linux running processes by jtag came from the same group of developers that at redhat were working on systemd. | Jan 25 19:25 |
| MinceR | also, i'm sure a machine moving its cd tray in and out with something attached which presses the reset button on the systemd box all day would be cheaper than intel remote jtag or IPMI | Jan 25 19:25 |
| MinceR | or maybe you could just put a jumper in place of the reset switch | Jan 25 19:26 |
| MinceR | not sure if that counts, though | Jan 25 19:26 |
| oiaohm | the software to use the IPMI to access the remote jtag interface and then gdb in is all open source. | Jan 25 19:29 |
| cubexyz | just run slackware like a normal linux person :) | Jan 25 19:30 |
| MinceR | slackware isn't hip enough for oiaohm | Jan 25 19:30 |
| MinceR | also, it doesn't reboot enough times per day | Jan 25 19:30 |
| MinceR | he's got quotas to meet, don't you know | Jan 25 19:30 |
| oiaohm | Really I have watchdogs on system they have logs they its lucky if they are triggered 1 per year total. | Jan 25 19:31 |
| MinceR | normally the software manages to reboot on its own, doesn't it? | Jan 25 19:32 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Jan 25 19:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU/Linux Desktop/Laptop: Dell and Chromebooks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119902 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d121fa5e-59e6-44c1-be85-6fab42fe63b6] | Jan 25 19:32 | |
| oiaohm | when watchdog has been used you have something to debug for why. | Jan 25 19:33 |
| oiaohm | Better than machine sitting there frozen solid with no remote access at all because it locked up. | Jan 25 19:33 |
| MinceR | you only have to debug if you mind bugs | Jan 25 19:33 |
| MinceR | but you can just CLOSED WONTFIX and call the submitter an idiot | Jan 25 19:34 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/4RZEL9m.gif | Jan 25 19:34 |
| oiaohm | I know that from systemd where I had to open some bugs like 12 times. | Jan 25 19:34 |
| MinceR | besides, it was designed to be broken | Jan 25 19:34 |
| oiaohm | systemd maintainer is not the best. | Jan 25 19:34 |
| MinceR | poettering doesn't understand how things work, so he makes up new rules | Jan 25 19:35 |
| MinceR | and you obey | Jan 25 19:35 |
| oiaohm | Obey me. | Jan 25 19:35 |
| oiaohm | what are you talking about. | Jan 25 19:35 |
| MinceR | the logind bullshit, for example | Jan 25 19:35 |
| oiaohm | how do you think he responded after the 5 time I Had reopened the same bug. | Jan 25 19:35 |
| MinceR | depends | Jan 25 19:35 |
| MinceR | how much did you lick his boots and how much did you compliment him? | Jan 25 19:36 |
| oiaohm | Told me not to open the bug again. | Jan 25 19:36 |
| MinceR | yet here you are, day after day, shilling cancerd | Jan 25 19:36 |
| MinceR | why? | Jan 25 19:36 |
| oiaohm | In end he end up taking the time to look at the problem and fix the fault. | Jan 25 19:36 |
| oiaohm | maybe I like systemd because I can see some good ideas in it and it makes my life simpler in particular setups I have to run. | Jan 25 19:37 |
| MinceR | so all ibm needs to do is hire a big man with a whip and have him whip that retard until he fixes the design and the implementation? | Jan 25 19:37 |
| MinceR | would be faster to just hire a real software engineer and start from scratch | Jan 25 19:38 |
| MinceR | i don't dare ask which of those atrocious ideas seem good to you | Jan 25 19:38 |
| oiaohm | would not have to be completely from scratch take the good ideas. | Jan 25 19:38 |
| MinceR | done, it's the empty set | Jan 25 19:38 |
| oiaohm | Lot of my problems trace to services starting processes that lock stuff and them those use to come lost in the process table. | Jan 25 19:39 |
| oiaohm | So system that keeps everything nice and trackable. | Jan 25 19:39 |
| MinceR | ah, so a cgroups API and implementation that was actually usable would be handy for you | Jan 25 19:39 |
| MinceR | too bad none exists | Jan 25 19:39 |
| MinceR | and with Linus being on the leash of the corporate SJWs, there probably never will be one | Jan 25 19:40 |
| MinceR | but hey, they'll have a super shiny CoC in a few years | Jan 25 19:40 |
| oiaohm | cgroupv2 and systemd in cgroupv2 mode is fairly good. | Jan 25 19:40 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Jan 25 19:40 |
| oiaohm | I would like to see openrc with cgroupv2 | Jan 25 19:40 |
| MinceR | as long as you don't mind losing data and have a watchdog card rebooting the whole piece of shit all the time | Jan 25 19:40 |
| oiaohm | cgroupv1 worst problem is notification of empty cgroup is start a process. | Jan 25 19:41 |
| MinceR | oh, and a few black hats running botnets on your gear | Jan 25 19:41 |
| MinceR | thinking "hm, which gaping hole should i use to break into oiaohm's systemd servers today?" | Jan 25 19:41 |
| oiaohm | cgroupv2 + namespaces means there are less areas of privillage. | Jan 25 19:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes systemd is turning those prillivage drops on more and more parts it made of. | Jan 25 19:43 |
| oiaohm | Like or not mincer breaking into a well configured systemd system is a hard problem than most so called sysvinit solutions. | Jan 25 19:44 |
| MinceR | which must be nice for the few lines of code that happen to not be part of PID1 | Jan 25 19:44 |
| MinceR | riiiiiight | Jan 25 19:44 |
| MinceR | but that's because there's no such thing as a "well configured systemd system" | Jan 25 19:44 |
| MinceR | if it was well configured, there would be no systemd on it | Jan 25 19:44 |
| oiaohm | Majority of systemd provided parts don't run as PID1. | Jan 25 19:44 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they're working on fixing that | Jan 25 19:45 |
| oiaohm | Not at all. | Jan 25 19:45 |
| oiaohm | There are less features in systemd PID1 now than when systemd started. | Jan 25 19:45 |
| oiaohm | So they are working in the other direction. | Jan 25 19:45 |
| MinceR | probably still a lot more than the 2 that need to be there | Jan 25 19:45 |
| oiaohm | I will not say that systemd PID1 does not still need to cut down more because it does. | Jan 25 19:46 |
| MinceR | so does the rest | Jan 25 19:46 |
| MinceR | the hilariously vulnerable dns resolver, the hilariously vulnerable ntpd reimplementations | Jan 25 19:47 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have forgotten watchdoging. | Jan 25 19:47 |
| MinceR | the hilariously vulnerable syslogd replacement with the web server built in | Jan 25 19:47 |
| MinceR | i don't see what a watchdog would be doing in PID1 | Jan 25 19:47 |
| MinceR | even service management doesn't need to be there, therefore it shouldn't be there | Jan 25 19:48 |
| oiaohm | So that PID1 when it fires off something in fact make sure it is in fact started. | Jan 25 19:48 |
| oiaohm | Not blindly presume it started. | Jan 25 19:48 |
| MinceR | there should be exactly 1 thing fired off by PID1 and it's a start script that takes care of the rest of the boot | Jan 25 19:48 |
| MinceR | and if that fails, there's nothing you can do to make it succeed | Jan 25 19:49 |
| MinceR | if your system can't spawn another process after the first one, then it's fucked anyway | Jan 25 19:49 |
| oiaohm | it was solaris init that showed that was not exactly true. | Jan 25 19:49 |
| MinceR | you're making the same mistake as SELinux | Jan 25 19:49 |
| MinceR | piling more and more code over existing code trying to fix issues, ending up bringing more and more bugs into the system | Jan 25 19:49 |
| oiaohm | ie it fired off SMF from pid1. Pid1 set a time if it did not get a notice from SMF it would trigger across to recovery mode. | Jan 25 19:50 |
| oiaohm | So pid1 could be a little smater. | Jan 25 19:50 |
| MinceR | and a little bigger | Jan 25 19:50 |
| MinceR | and a little more likely to break | Jan 25 19:50 |
| oiaohm | But systemd pid1 is over smart. | Jan 25 19:50 |
| MinceR | also, cancerd doesn't exactly have a bright history of actually detecting whether services are working | Jan 25 19:51 |
| oiaohm | libselinux being in pid1 brought a lot of horrible. | Jan 25 19:51 |
| MinceR | it's not easy of course (kind of like solving the halting problem), but poettering decided it was a must have feature to justify bloat | Jan 25 19:51 |
| MinceR | then don't put it there | Jan 25 19:51 |
| MinceR | SELinux is counterproductive | Jan 25 19:51 |
| MinceR | let the governments who believe a bunch of extra features and buzzwords will save their ass fight with it | Jan 25 19:52 |
| oiaohm | libselinux being in pid1 comes from Linux sysvinit. | Jan 25 19:52 |
| MinceR | (they "think" just like microsoft and their results are the same as well) | Jan 25 19:52 |
| MinceR | yeah, nsa hacked it in eventually | Jan 25 19:52 |
| MinceR | sysvinit predates selinux | Jan 25 19:52 |
| cubexyz | it's not like we don't have choices | Jan 25 19:56 |
| oiaohm | with cgroups system has had a perfect history of listing exactly what from a server is still running when a service is no longer responding to test pings and the like so the server does get fully stopped and does restart in most cases. | Jan 25 19:58 |
| cubexyz | android-x86, FreeBSD, TrueOS, NetBSD, OpenBSD, slackware, alpine linux, and a ton of other ones | Jan 25 19:58 |
| oiaohm | I really want to see that proper service monitoring to be normal. | Jan 25 19:58 |
| cubexyz | heck, NetBSD still supports 486 :) | Jan 25 20:00 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: people like oiaohm want us to not have choices | Jan 25 20:03 |
| MinceR | systemd is all about depriving users of choices | Jan 25 20:03 |
| cubexyz | operating systems are getting overly elaborate | Jan 25 20:05 |
| cubexyz | even FC1, I'm still figuring out stuff on it | Jan 25 20:07 |
| oiaohm | Hardware operating systems are having to operate on are getting more elaborate | Jan 25 20:07 |
| MinceR | ibm/rh wants you to depend on a support contract with them, regardless of what distro you're running | Jan 25 20:07 |
| MinceR | so they're making sure nobody can figure out cancerd | Jan 25 20:08 |
| oiaohm | Gen-z bus that is coming is even more hot plug. | Jan 25 20:08 |
| cubexyz | what about my old hardware that still works? | Jan 25 20:08 |
| oiaohm | The scary idea of hey lets just hotplug a comment memory segment. | Jan 25 20:08 |
| oiaohm | comment/complete | Jan 25 20:08 |
| MinceR | no hardware features justify the fucktardedness of cancerd design | Jan 25 20:09 |
| cubexyz | someone even ran ELKS on a zenith laptop | Jan 25 20:09 |
| cubexyz | trying to remember the last one, it was pretty old | Jan 25 20:10 |
| cubexyz | zenith Z-star 700 I think | Jan 25 20:11 |
| oiaohm | Some of systemd features around services is justifed by hardware. Some of the annoying hardware that hotplugs starts a service then you pull it out and it leaves a fragment running. | Jan 25 20:11 |
| oiaohm | Then you insert that bit of hardware and it does not work any more to user and the users end up reboot there machines like windows. | Jan 25 20:11 |
| MinceR | it's the same sort of pure evil that's been plaguing IT for decades, only this time it's trying to masquerade as free software | Jan 25 20:11 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: time to fix that shitty hardware, then | Jan 25 20:12 |
| MinceR | and the shitty services | Jan 25 20:12 |
| MinceR | or just remove them if they can't be fixed | Jan 25 20:12 |
| oiaohm | We are going to get more hotplug hardware. | Jan 25 20:12 |
| oiaohm | from more hardware makers | Jan 25 20:12 |
| MinceR | fix what's broken, instead of adding bloat on top of bloat on top of bloat on top of bloat | Jan 25 20:12 |
| MinceR | also, let sane people write drivers | Jan 25 20:12 |
| oiaohm | with more developers who cannot make a service correctly to save themselves. | Jan 25 20:12 |
| MinceR | free software drivers have helped that tremendously | Jan 25 20:12 |
| MinceR | on GNU/Linux, i can plug in a USB mouse and use it instantly | Jan 25 20:13 |
| MinceR | on winblows, i can plug it in, nothing happens, wait a few minutes, unplug it, plug it in again, nothing happens again, wait a few minutes | Jan 25 20:13 |
| MinceR | unplug it, then winblows pops up a passive popup claiming it's trying to install a driver (on a system that has used several USB HID devices already!) and failed | Jan 25 20:13 |
| oiaohm | Think thunderbolt ports as well. Where you can have a PCI card in external box that hot plugs. This is some of the reason why we need wpasuplicate and other thing sorted out. | Jan 25 20:14 |
| MinceR | plug it in again and finally, after a few more minutes, i can move the pointer with the mouse | Jan 25 20:14 |
| MinceR | this happened today, by the way | Jan 25 20:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: be thankful windows failed uninstalling that driver. | Jan 25 20:14 |
| MinceR | i don't really care | Jan 25 20:15 |
| MinceR | if all else fails, i'll take it to IT and have them replace the laptop | Jan 25 20:15 |
| MinceR | it's a broken piece of shit anyway | Jan 25 20:15 |
| MinceR | the touchpad is disabled because it only produces noise | Jan 25 20:15 |
| cubexyz | I wonder what happened to zenith | Jan 25 20:15 |
| MinceR | good thing i never gave money for any fujitsu products, because this one is ridiculous | Jan 25 20:15 |
| MinceR | almost makes dHell look good | Jan 25 20:16 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah merged with Packard Bell and NEC | Jan 25 20:16 |
| oiaohm | I have seen windows 10 fully uninstall generic USB keyboard driver on a system with only USB ports and then fail to ask to install driver. | Jan 25 20:17 |
| *cubexyz makes a warding gesture | Jan 25 20:17 | |
| oiaohm | When windows succeeds uninstalling something it should not it then pretends nothing is wrong is just totally wrong. | Jan 25 20:18 |
| cubexyz | don't you feel with win10 that you have control over nothing? | Jan 25 20:18 |
| MinceR | thankfully, i haven't been downgraded to Backdoors10 yet | Jan 25 20:18 |
| oiaohm | With windows 10 you are in constant fear that it going to stupidly harm it self and your data. | Jan 25 20:18 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: actually it would be kind of worth it just to see the microsoft cultists' face in IT | Jan 25 20:19 |
| MinceR | they love this broken shit | Jan 25 20:19 |
| MinceR | hungary is full of scum like that | Jan 25 20:19 |
| cubexyz | Sony is bad too, they didn't help me with parts | Jan 25 20:20 |
| MinceR | they love m$ shit and work with it for a living but when a question like "why does winblows xp fill up the HDD with crap and where even is it and how can i fix it", they just shrug and reimage | Jan 25 20:20 |
| cubexyz | like you said earlier, I can fix the old stuff | Jan 25 20:20 |
| oiaohm | I though the windows xp uninstalling the cdrom driver was fixed until I saw windows 10 uninstall the keyboard. | Jan 25 20:20 |
| oiaohm | Both have the problem that is a core driver it cannot be uninstalled so I never should need to install it so if it missing you are screwed. | Jan 25 20:21 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 25 20:21 |
| MinceR | classic microsoft | Jan 25 20:21 |
| MinceR | "this problem can't happen so there's no provision for fixing it" | Jan 25 20:21 |
| oiaohm | Please note generic mouse is in the same camp. | Jan 25 20:22 |
| oiaohm | Without keryboard and only mouse you can dig you way out after forcing the right inf to install. | Jan 25 20:23 |
| MinceR | if you can tell the system to install it | Jan 25 20:23 |
| MinceR | on a sane OS, you could boot another system and put files in the right place to fix things | Jan 25 20:23 |
| oiaohm | You need to do it from the command line. | Jan 25 20:23 |
| oiaohm | gui not helping you. | Jan 25 20:23 |
| MinceR | typing with a USB keyboard that no longer has a driver? | Jan 25 20:23 |
| oiaohm | but generic mouse could be gone as well. | Jan 25 20:24 |
| MinceR | it's better to just get rid of microsoft, apple and red hat stuff | Jan 25 20:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is a software keybaard you can enabled in windows. | Jan 25 20:24 |
| oiaohm | Wait | Jan 25 20:24 |
| MinceR | and how will you manipulate it with? | Jan 25 20:24 |
| MinceR | your mouse also has no driver | Jan 25 20:24 |
| MinceR | s/how/what/ | Jan 25 20:24 |
| oiaohm | That is my problem. | Jan 25 20:24 |
| oiaohm | I have only repair missing keyboard. But worst case is totally screwed. | Jan 25 20:25 |
| cubexyz | would a PS/2 keyboard help? | Jan 25 20:25 |
| oiaohm | Ie back up reinstall windows as fix. | Jan 25 20:25 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: the machine was usb only. | Jan 25 20:25 |
| cubexyz | yeah I guess PS/2 ports are a rarity now | Jan 25 20:27 |
| oiaohm | I also wonder if it like XP where after the 4 time you put the cdrom driver back in it would then magically total fail product activation. | Jan 25 20:29 |
| cubexyz | I think PS/2 keyboards were a bit better | Jan 25 20:29 |
| oiaohm | Windows 10 have not been around long enough to know if that problem exists yet. | Jan 25 20:29 |
| cubexyz | one port allocated just for the keyboard makes sense | Jan 25 20:29 |
| oiaohm | ps/2 keyboards are better for typing. | Jan 25 20:29 |
| oiaohm | better latency you do feel it. | Jan 25 20:30 |
| cubexyz | imagine being locked out of the BIOS if your USB keyboard didn't work | Jan 25 20:30 |
| cubexyz | you'd be kind of screwed | Jan 25 20:30 |
| oiaohm | Seen that. | Jan 25 20:30 |
| oiaohm | One annoyin ASUS motherboard did that to me. | Jan 25 20:30 |
| oiaohm | did get a firmware update. | Jan 25 20:31 |
| oiaohm | as in they did send me a new chip to put into motherboard. | Jan 25 20:31 |
| cubexyz | actually windows genuine advantage was what made me stop using windows for good | Jan 25 20:31 |
| oiaohm | the ASUS one was funny. I had a ps2 keyboard and USB keyboard plugged in at the same time and the poor bios went I am having nothing of this. | Jan 25 20:32 |
| oiaohm | So that was not that keyboard did not work but bios getting completely lost due to too many keyboards. | Jan 25 20:33 |
| cubexyz | I'd want that PS/2 port still | Jan 25 20:34 |
| cubexyz | not always possible of course | Jan 25 20:34 |
| MinceR | PS/2 can't even do hotplug safely | Jan 25 20:36 |
| MinceR | let alone use hubs | Jan 25 20:36 |
| MinceR | and i doubt you'd feel better latency compared to a gaming keyboard polled at 1000 Hz | Jan 25 20:36 |
| cubexyz | yes but I'd have the USB port as well | Jan 25 20:39 |
| MinceR | you can have several USB ports | Jan 25 20:39 |
| cubexyz | if USB screws up, I'd have the ps/2 keyboard to fall back on | Jan 25 20:40 |
| cubexyz | I'm not unplugging the ps/2 keyboard normally | Jan 25 20:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its that the PS/2 is using a direct interrupt . Even at 1000Hz USB you fell the drop. Some newer motherboards ps2 ports are usb converters and to those type and feel the difference between polled and interupt you feel the varation. | Jan 25 20:41 |
| cubexyz | are there PCI PS/2 cards? | Jan 25 20:41 |
| MinceR | i know it's using a direct interrupt | Jan 25 20:42 |
| MinceR | so, you can feel a 1ms delay? | Jan 25 20:42 |
| MinceR | your keyboard probably has more delay | Jan 25 20:42 |
| MinceR | debouncing and stuff like that | Jan 25 20:42 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: yes there are startech pci ps/2 cards out there but I have not seen Pcie. | Jan 25 20:45 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, what about msdos support and BIOS? :) | Jan 25 20:51 |
| cubexyz | probably no go then | Jan 25 20:51 |
| cubexyz | just thinking out loud here | Jan 25 20:51 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: some bios it does work by the extention bios. | Jan 25 20:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am around 6 key strokes per second typing speed. Not supper fast.70-80 words per min. Keyboards are only rated up to 300wps So like only 24 per second and double that with 2 key hits. So yes quite slow. | Jan 25 20:58 |
| cubexyz | ah, there were dos drivers for some PS/2 PCI cards | Jan 25 21:00 |
| oiaohm | Those numbers make it appaer that 1000hz would be tones. First you have to half that. Checking state of keyboard consumes bit. Then consider when typing at your max speed you get your max focus. | Jan 25 21:00 |
| oiaohm | Once a human at max focus sensing timing in the 1000fps comes possible. | Jan 25 21:01 |
| oiaohm | Like 2000hz would be close to the right number to the 500 it ends up at with state checking/pooling. | Jan 25 21:02 |
| oiaohm | Basically if the 1000hz did not halve due to protocol it would have been right. | Jan 25 21:02 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, those PCI PS/2 cards aren't easy to find | Jan 25 21:06 |
| cubexyz | mostly out of stock these days | Jan 25 21:07 |
| cubexyz | found one with USB 2.0 ports and two PS/2 ports | Jan 25 21:07 |
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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2017-12-24 | Jan 26 01:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-12-24 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jan 26 01:57 | |
| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2017-12-25 | Jan 26 02:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beautiful, Slippery, Brittle - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2017-12-25 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jan 26 02:04 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | There we go. Taxes filed. | Jan 26 02:13 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, https://habr.com/en/post/435872/ | Jan 26 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Язык программирования Zig / Habr | Jan 26 16:47 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I've read that, indeed :) | Jan 26 16:48 |
| scientes | Yeah I've hacked on zig | Jan 26 16:48 |
| scientes | but I saw they put a post in russian in the /en/ section haha | Jan 26 16:48 |
| XRevan86 | It would seem that en/ru is not part of the post ID | Jan 26 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | https://habr.com/ru/company/tm/blog/435764/ | Jan 26 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hello world! Or Habr in English, v1.0 / Блог компании ТechMedia / Хабр | Jan 26 16:49 | |
| XRevan86 | but of the UI… | Jan 26 16:50 |
| scientes | what IS habr anyways....I just came from ziglang.org and assumed I was on the same site | Jan 26 16:51 |
| scientes | just looks like a blogging site to me | Jan 26 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Basically… a publication hub | Jan 26 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | around tech | Jan 26 16:58 |
| MinceR | (audio) https://imgur.com/a/h4UHxoT | Jan 26 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Jan 26 17:15 | |
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| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2018-01-07 | Jan 26 18:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert Comic Strip on 2018-01-07 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Jan 26 18:00 | |
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| schestowitz | lol | Jan 26 18:33 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 4.20.5, 4.19.18, 4.14.96, 4.9.153 , 4.4.172 and 3.18.133 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119955 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bfb71542-fa51-406a-a62a-875dacd6c7ba] | Jan 26 18:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FreeBSD ZFS vs. TrueOS ZoF vs. DragonFlyBSD HAMMER2 vs. ZFS On Linux Benchmarks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119957 [https://pleroma.site/objects/49c9499e-7d02-46d4-bad4-6c0ce3548714] | Jan 26 18:58 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119958 [https://pleroma.site/objects/33dfeecc-df22-452b-ac7c-5f252da12c8d] | Jan 26 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | > I'm looking for examples of the revolving door policy between M$ and | Jan 26 19:14 |
| schestowitz | > Canonical. Canonical's pages don't list their top people and of those | Jan 26 19:14 |
| schestowitz | > few that they do list the mention little about their pasts. There are a | Jan 26 19:14 |
| schestowitz | > lot of web pages around and very little information, even when | Jan 26 19:14 |
| schestowitz | > aggregated. Typical. Their main web person just went over to M$. | Jan 26 19:14 |
| schestowitz | > Specifically, I'm looking for a few concrete examples of staff coming | Jan 26 19:14 |
| schestowitz | > into Canonical directly or indirectly from M$. | Jan 26 19:14 |
| schestowitz | There used to be Spencer. Not sure where he is now. | Jan 26 19:14 |
| schestowitz | ^^^ | Jan 26 19:30 |
| schestowitz | NB | Jan 26 19:30 |
| schestowitz | if anyone here wants to help research this... | Jan 26 19:30 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New #Karlsruhe teaching laboratory focuses on open source http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/119959 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fcc60979-6838-4d44-924f-6db42600063b] | Jan 26 19:33 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/574694.jpg | Jan 26 19:52 |
| MinceR | (audio) https://imgur.com/HRIUcjp | Jan 26 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Jan 26 19:58 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/574629.jpg | Jan 26 20:25 |
| cubexyz | eh, you got Android, Slackware and a million other things | Jan 26 20:38 |
| cubexyz | not only is M$ not the only game in town, their influence is dwindling | Jan 26 20:39 |
| MinceR | they still control uefi | Jan 26 20:39 |
| MinceR | and ibm controls most of what used to be GNU/Linux | Jan 26 20:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not exactly with uefi. uboot is starting to control how uefi protocol is designed. | Jan 26 20:45 |
| oiaohm | I like how uboot is changing a lot of thing that are mandotory in old UEFI standard to optional in current. | Jan 26 20:46 |
| oiaohm | UEFI built with all the new optional parts removed windows in it current form cannot be installed. | Jan 26 20:47 |
| cubexyz | does android use uboot? | Jan 26 20:47 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: whose keys do PC vendors ship? | Jan 26 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yes | Jan 26 20:48 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: uboot one of the external projects google is trying to get all android phones to use it. There are some who don't. | Jan 26 20:48 |
| cubexyz | I need to learn more about tablets, figure out which one is repairable, are parts available etc | Jan 26 20:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: some of the Linux PC vendors are missing all the Microsoft KEK and you have the Ubuntu one what is highly annoying. | Jan 26 20:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: would be less painful if they shipped with none. | Jan 26 20:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes leave UEFI in setup mode and let end user lock it down if they want I would love to see as a option. | Jan 26 20:50 |
| MinceR | i'd rather see uefi die in a fire | Jan 26 20:51 |
| MinceR | but i know you love bloat | Jan 26 20:51 |
| oiaohm | I like the uboot version of uefi is a lot lighter. | Jan 26 20:51 |
| oiaohm | Intel uefi allows servers from the uefi to keep on running after the OS has started. uboot has a rule that once it passes over control to the operating system everything it is basically shutdown. | Jan 26 20:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://events17.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/Marrying%20U-Boot%2C%20UEFI%20and%20grub.pdf this gives you the uboot boot flow. | Jan 26 20:55 |
| oiaohm | for uboot uefi | Jan 26 20:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I don't really like bloat. One of my reasons why I am against sysvinit is it bloated memory usage caused by the shells. | Jan 26 20:58 |
| MinceR | oh, yeah, i forgot | Jan 26 20:59 |
| MinceR | you love bloat and are in denial about it | Jan 26 20:59 |
| oiaohm | No I am not. I am worried about runtime bloat and I run the numbers. | Jan 26 21:00 |
| MinceR | also you seem to have missed the fact that on sysvinit/rc-like systems, most of the time the rc scripts are not running | Jan 26 21:00 |
| oiaohm | I will give you the items that win at times seam counter to common sense. | Jan 26 21:00 |
| MinceR | and as such their shell isn't running either | Jan 26 21:00 |
| MinceR | while cancerd keeps its crap in memory all the time | Jan 26 21:01 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/574627.jpg | Jan 26 21:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: did I say the bloat was in execution area. | Jan 26 21:06 |
| oiaohm | There are a few different forms of bloat to be worried about. | Jan 26 21:06 |
| MinceR | but you don't worry and just let ibm/rh make choices for you | Jan 26 21:06 |
| oiaohm | No | Jan 26 21:07 |
| oiaohm | What form of bloat in memory usage does the mass script file usage cause. | Jan 26 21:08 |
| oiaohm | I guess you cannot answer that. | Jan 26 21:08 |
| MinceR | the shell which you're likely to use anyway would need to be in memory while the script runs, oh no | Jan 26 21:08 |
| oiaohm | What about the buffers | Jan 26 21:09 |
| MinceR | so instead run massive binaries that have no other purpose | Jan 26 21:09 |
| oiaohm | Really that the funny thing. | Jan 26 21:09 |
| oiaohm | Total memory used in starting the system is lower with systemd. | Jan 26 21:09 |
| oiaohm | Complete total. | Jan 26 21:09 |
| oiaohm | I am not saying that what systemd has done cannot be done better. | Jan 26 21:10 |
| MinceR | i'm sure that's what poettering says | Jan 26 21:10 |
| oiaohm | That is what the benchmarks say. | Jan 26 21:10 |
| oiaohm | The embedded world presentations have presented the benchmarks 8 times. | Jan 26 21:11 |
| MinceR | yeah, and we've never heard of benchmarks being manipulated or being deliberately constructed to die | Jan 26 21:12 |
| MinceR | let me guess, you also believe poettering's bogus "comparisons" | Jan 26 21:12 |
| oiaohm | Really clueless. | Jan 26 21:12 |
| oiaohm | The people who have done the benchmarks are not poettering and not even linked to IBM or RH in by any means. | Jan 26 21:13 |
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| MinceR | yeah, like gnome isn't linked to them | Jan 26 21:15 |
| MinceR | especially the gnome people in debian's TC | Jan 26 21:15 |
| MinceR | right? | Jan 26 21:15 |
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| MinceR | "independent" like istvan tarlos and pal schitt | Jan 26 21:16 |
| oiaohm | For systemd foot print usage these people are doing embedded work building their custom distributions at times. | Jan 26 21:16 |
| MinceR | so, have they benchmarked how much does it take for journald to fill the storage of their embedded systems with its binary log with built-in core dumps? | Jan 26 21:17 |
| oiaohm | This is not like the gnome is not linked. This is no links other than the fact they work on some for of Linux. | Jan 26 21:17 |
| MinceR | it's really sad how the industry is swamped by these tools who have no idea what they're doing | Jan 26 21:17 |
| oiaohm | In fact yes because sealed loging can be a requirement for some product provides and the result is less than the rsyslog seal logging mode as well. | Jan 26 21:18 |
| MinceR | "sealed" as in "you can't log any more because we already filled up the disk with crap" | Jan 26 21:18 |
| oiaohm | No. | Jan 26 21:18 |
| MinceR | (that is, _if_ you can get the damn thing to boot at all) | Jan 26 21:18 |
| oiaohm | This means when you add a log entry it has to be done by a method you cannot delete prior entries. | Jan 26 21:19 |
| oiaohm | Without leaving evidence that it has happened. | Jan 26 21:19 |
| MinceR | never mind that binary logs are easy to corrupt | Jan 26 21:20 |
| MinceR | and with the usual systemd software quality, nobody will be surprised when it happens | Jan 26 21:20 |
| MinceR | but hey, we've got all the buzzwords, like microsoft | Jan 26 21:20 |
| MinceR | learning that security is a process, not a checklist of buzzwords and features is just too damn hard, so let's not do that | Jan 26 21:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/journal-files/ that is one of the features of systemd. | Jan 26 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freedesktop.org | journal-files | Jan 26 21:21 | |
| MinceR | easy corruption? yes it is! | Jan 26 21:21 |
| oiaohm | Journal does check for damage | Jan 26 21:21 |
| MinceR | yeah, and can't do shit about it | Jan 26 21:21 |
| MinceR | and neither can you | Jan 26 21:21 |
| oiaohm | If it sees corruption creates new file. So leave the old file intacted for data recovery. | Jan 26 21:21 |
| oiaohm | and raising alarm. | Jan 26 21:22 |
| MinceR | which you can't make sense of because it's a corrupted binary mess | Jan 26 21:22 |
| oiaohm | So you don't know how to extract data out of damaged journald files. | Jan 26 21:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Offsets are always relative to the beginning of the file. All structures are aligned to 64bit boundaries and padded to multiples of 64bit these features in journald does make recovery very possible. Also the fact it using entry invidiaul compression. | Jan 26 21:25 |
| oiaohm | Yes this is vs you old syslogs using complete file compression. | Jan 26 21:25 |
| oiaohm | Complete file compression you in fact lose more. | Jan 26 21:26 |
| MinceR | at least i can _choose_ not to use compression | Jan 26 21:26 |
| MinceR | your emperor has decided that your logs are binary garbage | Jan 26 21:26 |
| MinceR | you don't get to have a say in it | Jan 26 21:26 |
| oiaohm | You are embedded device with limited disc space and you need to log as much as possible. | Jan 26 21:26 |
| MinceR | and cognitive dissonance has made you accept every decision of your emperor | Jan 26 21:26 |
| oiaohm | So no compression is not an option. | Jan 26 21:26 |
| MinceR | well, embedding coredumps in the logfiles kinda match "as much as possible" | Jan 26 21:26 |
| MinceR | as in, you fill up the disk ASAP | Jan 26 21:27 |
| oiaohm | https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/8-systemd-coredump/ never read this right. | Jan 26 21:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.systutorials.com | systemd-coredump - Log and store core dumps - Linux Man Pages (8) | Jan 26 21:28 | |
| oiaohm | even from the start putting coredumps into journald was optional. | Jan 26 21:29 |
| MinceR | i've heard the struggles of someone who didn't want it | Jan 26 21:29 |
| oiaohm | Most were looking to a journald configuration not noticing it was systemd coredump that also would result in coredumps in logs even if you were running rsyslog. | Jan 26 21:30 |
| MinceR | that's because rsyslog is a third-class citizen at best on poettering's os | Jan 26 21:30 |
| MinceR | the best you can get with it is have journald kindly pass lines to it after chewing them and shitting them out | Jan 26 21:30 |
| oiaohm | rsyslog agent also include a tool to put coredumps in logs. | Jan 26 21:30 |
| MinceR | or if your service allows it, maybe you can configure it to talk directly to rsyslog | Jan 26 21:31 |
| MinceR | yet systems running rsyslog tend to not do that, somehow | Jan 26 21:31 |
| oiaohm | I remember when rsyslog first introduced the feature. About 8 distriubtions turned it on by default before turning it back off. | Jan 26 21:32 |
| oiaohm | base64 encoding your corefiles so they can go into text files as rsyslog does make what journald do look fairly sane. | Jan 26 21:32 |
| oiaohm | You are crashing and now you are doing more processing super brillent rsyslog. | Jan 26 21:33 |
| oiaohm | Yes that also makes your corefile consume even more disc space. This is all about the request we want all logging including core files to be able to sent over network to central server. | Jan 26 21:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: like it or not some setups binary logging makes sense. As some of them saying pure text based logging just end up with stupid base64 filled files with what would have been normal binary data. | Jan 26 21:36 |
| MinceR | which is an excellent reason to force binary logging on everyone | Jan 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | pat yourself on the back | Jan 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | free software is about choice and control | Jan 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | but cancerd is not free, so you don't have to deal with that | Jan 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | all that pesky choice is finally gone | Jan 26 21:37 |
| oiaohm | From the start it been possible to turn off journald logging feature and pass all received to another logging solution. | Jan 26 21:38 |
| oiaohm | systemd has forced a single logging agent. Not a single logging solution. | Jan 26 21:39 |
| MinceR | ooh, fancy buzzwords to hide the abuse behind | Jan 26 21:39 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say when you start looking at the other agents for making sure you are not getting false data sent to logs. | Jan 26 21:40 |
| MinceR | stop thinking, newspeak is here for you | Jan 26 21:40 |
| oiaohm | they start making journald look good. | Jan 26 21:40 |
| oiaohm | You most likely never using a logging solution with agents. | Jan 26 21:40 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's so evil of me not to use features i don't need | Jan 26 21:42 |
| oiaohm | rsyslog agent for Linux they got rid of and replaced it with journald. | Jan 26 21:42 |
| MinceR | rip, rsyslog | Jan 26 21:42 |
| oiaohm | They kept the core syslog function. | Jan 26 21:42 |
| MinceR | there still are a few logging daemons for your masters to drive out of the market and destroy | Jan 26 21:43 |
| oiaohm | There where at one point 20 different logging agents for Linux. | Jan 26 21:43 |
| oiaohm | each with their own form of horrible quirks. | Jan 26 21:43 |
| MinceR | yeah, competition and freedom are so horrible | Jan 26 21:44 |
| oiaohm | One of the worst that is a closed source one ptraces everything. | Jan 26 21:44 |
| MinceR | speaking of which, why are you even hanging out on this channel? | Jan 26 21:44 |
| MinceR | this channel stands for everything you hate. | Jan 26 21:44 |
| oiaohm | Really is not freedom to have 20 different projects making 20 items attempt todo the same thing but the results are all broken. Worse using all the same protocol over network so all the broken ends up mixed with each other in the 1 logging server. | Jan 26 21:46 |
| MinceR | of course not | Jan 26 21:47 |
| oiaohm | The one thing that came out of journald is a lot of these projects duplicating logging agents and not being able to do it right have stopped even making their broken forms of agent becuase journald is better than their broken agent code. | Jan 26 21:47 |
| MinceR | "freedom" is 1 project making 1 items and using tricks to make you believe it's the best that could ever happen | Jan 26 21:47 |
| MinceR | making all the decisions for you | Jan 26 21:48 |
| MinceR | and if it's full of bugs and holes -- oh well, you didn't have a decision so it's not your fault | Jan 26 21:48 |
| MinceR | microsoft "freedom" for you! | Jan 26 21:48 |
| oiaohm | There many cve numbers for those logging agents that are no more. | Jan 26 21:49 |
| oiaohm | All software has bugs | Jan 26 21:49 |
| oiaohm | At this stage. | Jan 26 21:49 |
| oiaohm | Reality is some have worst bugs. | Jan 26 21:49 |
| oiaohm | systemd journald is getting less major bugs per year than your average closed source or open source logging agents prior to its existance. | Jan 26 21:50 |
| MinceR | yeah and you ignore CVE numbers for cancerd | Jan 26 21:51 |
| MinceR | or better yet, join poettering and whine that it's not fair that you get them | Jan 26 21:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd total CVE count per year is less than rsyslog agent for Linux CVE count per year. | Jan 26 21:52 |
| oiaohm | These logging agents have been mega crap. | Jan 26 21:52 |
| MinceR | and no other syslog implementations exist | Jan 26 21:52 |
| MinceR | ah, well, that's fixed now | Jan 26 21:52 |
| MinceR | journald is yotta crap! | Jan 26 21:52 |
| oiaohm | rsyslog agent was classed best of breed out of all the logging agents for Linux before systemd invention. | Jan 26 21:53 |
| oiaohm | There were 20 different syslog agent solutions for Linux. And I am comparing systemd to the one with the lowest CVE count. | Jan 26 21:54 |
| MinceR | by whom? | Jan 26 21:54 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: do you know of any free software smartwatch OS-es? | Jan 26 21:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is a reason why syslog agents bug counts are so high. How do you confirm under Linux that the error message from a program in fact own to particular service. | Jan 26 21:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it the same problem that brought upstart undone. | Jan 26 21:59 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: no, the problem that killed upstart was the CLA | Jan 26 22:00 |
| oiaohm | CLA meant people who started systemd could not submit upstart code. But one of the changes that was asked early on to upstart before the start of systemd was that upstart stop using ptrace to track services because you can only connect to ptrace once. | Jan 26 22:02 |
| oiaohm | This ptrace was breaking debugging and logging agents. | Jan 26 22:02 |
| MinceR | using ptrace to track daemons was a stupid idea anyway | Jan 26 22:02 |
| MinceR | about as stupid as using a kernel feature that still isn't mature or ready for use | Jan 26 22:03 |
| oiaohm | cgroups can have multi parties access the information vs one party with ptrace | Jan 26 22:04 |
| oiaohm | cgroups may have been not mature back then but it was closer to the right solution. | Jan 26 22:04 |
| oiaohm | Have the kernel trace what should be grouped. Then you don't need to be debugging the heck out of stuff or doing horrible other nightmares. | Jan 26 22:05 |
| oiaohm | Horrible nightmare code equals insane high bug counts. | Jan 26 22:05 |
| MinceR | they apparently had no confidence it ever becoming mature, though | Jan 26 22:06 |
| MinceR | if they had, they wouldn't have felt the need to force half-baked crap on everyone | Jan 26 22:06 |
| MinceR | including all debian users | Jan 26 22:06 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19010520 | Jan 26 22:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 26 22:07 | |
| oiaohm | Yep the chicken and egg problem. | Jan 26 22:07 |
| MinceR | no, this is no "chicken and egg" problem | Jan 26 22:08 |
| MinceR | this is "do we do software development the reasonable way or do we do it like fucktards?" | Jan 26 22:08 |
| oiaohm | With process tracking in the Linux kernel its been a chicken and egg problem. | Jan 26 22:08 |
| MinceR | they chose the latter | Jan 26 22:08 |
| MinceR | no, it's possible for a feature in Linux to exist without _stable_ distro releases using it | Jan 26 22:09 |
| oiaohm | Not when it comes to cgroups. | Jan 26 22:09 |
| MinceR | then cgroups should never have been started | Jan 26 22:09 |
| MinceR | they should have started developing a new kernel if this is the only approach they could do | Jan 26 22:09 |
| oiaohm | Different distributions support different segments of cgroups. | Jan 26 22:10 |
| MinceR | shitting into production systems is not acceptable, and never will be acceptable | Jan 26 22:10 |
| MinceR | this is one of the reasons i'm looking into moving to another kernel | Jan 26 22:10 |
| MinceR | if the "developers" of Linux do not understand the difference between development systems and production systems, they do not belong on the latter | Jan 26 22:11 |
| MinceR | and i'm not interested in doing anything with them | Jan 26 22:11 |
| MinceR | what happened to having separate development and stable versions of the kernel anyway? | Jan 26 22:11 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1901058 | Jan 26 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 26 22:12 | |
| oiaohm | What happening there is the issue of major security bugs. | Jan 26 22:12 |
| oiaohm | Like it impossible to backport all the meltdown and spectra and the like fixes. | Jan 26 22:12 |
| oiaohm | Without breaking kernel functionality. | Jan 26 22:12 |
| MinceR | that's entirely unrelated to this | Jan 26 22:12 |
| oiaohm | No it releated it a on going problem with stable and development versions of the linux kernel. | Jan 26 22:13 |
| MinceR | if it's impossible to backport, then they shouldn't backport it | Jan 26 22:13 |
| MinceR | let users migrate to it at their own pace | Jan 26 22:13 |
| oiaohm | I said like it impossible they know it impossible to backport those. | Jan 26 22:14 |
| oiaohm | Due to how many drivers and the like are in the Linux kernel is next to impossible to test them all so when they backport a security patch it can look fine on paper then those in stable tree start screaming anyhow. | Jan 26 22:14 |
| oiaohm | Stable branch of the kernel is quite a nightmare. they are attempt to make better tools to detect and work out what patches should and should not be backported. | Jan 26 22:15 |
| MinceR | sounds like they need a better design | Jan 26 22:16 |
| oiaohm | Windows, the remaining unixs all suffer from it. The only one that does not suffer from it is apple but they have a highly restricted list of supported hardware. | Jan 26 22:17 |
| oiaohm | The more hardware you support the worst maintaining your stable branch comes. | Jan 26 22:17 |
| oiaohm | Linux huge hardware support is a nightmare for the stable branch. | Jan 26 22:17 |
| MinceR | you couldn't tell if apple would suffer from it | Jan 26 22:18 |
| MinceR | they probably would if they actually supported hardware :> | Jan 26 22:18 |
| MinceR | still, better encapsulation and cohesion would help restrict the effect of one change on the rest of the kernel | Jan 26 22:18 |
| MinceR | as would moving drivers into user space | Jan 26 22:19 |
| MinceR | (which kind of does those things) | Jan 26 22:19 |
| oiaohm | bpf with stable interfaces and moving drivers to userspace. | Jan 26 22:19 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel recently added elf modules what is .ko files that are basically userspace programs. | Jan 26 22:20 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel is really ceasing to be monolithic and coming some new form of hybrid. | Jan 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | no it is not | Jan 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | there is no "hybrid kernel" | Jan 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | it's marketing bullshit made up by m$ and crApple droids | Jan 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | when they found they couldn't call the bloated messes they have a "microkernel" with a straight face | Jan 26 22:21 |
| oiaohm | https://lwn.net/Articles/748627/ << Linux change does not look like the m$/crApple hybrid kernel. | Jan 26 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-modules: allow modprobe load regular elf binaries [LWN.net] | Jan 26 22:24 | |
| MinceR | so why apply the same term to it? | Jan 26 22:25 |
| MinceR | why validate the lies of crApple and m$? | Jan 26 22:25 |
| oiaohm | Because I don't have a better word for it. | Jan 26 22:25 |
| oiaohm | You have a bytecode engine in bpf and you have userspace drivers and you have monolithic drivers as well. | Jan 26 22:25 |
| MinceR | it's funny to see monolithic kernels fail after microkernels have failed though | Jan 26 22:26 |
| oiaohm | I find bpf so funny is gone full circle. | Jan 26 22:26 |
| oiaohm | Starts off as a firewall langauge and with bpffilter under Linux it back. | Jan 26 22:27 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft attempted to make a OS with kernel space drivers that jit and failed. We already have ir protocol drivers in Linux kernel space done in bpf. | Jan 26 22:28 |
| oiaohm | Those are jit bytecode drivers. | Jan 26 22:28 |
| oiaohm | do you have a better word for what Linux kernel is turning into? | Jan 26 22:28 |
| oiaohm | Only other word I have is mess and that not realy that nice. | Jan 26 22:29 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 26 22:32 |
| MinceR | is bpf in kernel space faster than ordinary userspace code? | Jan 26 22:33 |
| oiaohm | bpf has a first run cost of must be validated and jit to native execution code. Due to being in kernel space you don't need to context switch out to userspace. | Jan 26 22:35 |
| MinceR | i know | Jan 26 22:35 |
| oiaohm | some items like using the fpu it can be still faster to context switch out to userspace. | Jan 26 22:36 |
| oiaohm | doing that in kernel space results in having to set horrible locking to attempt to prevent issues. | Jan 26 22:36 |
| oiaohm | do note the word attempt. | Jan 26 22:36 |
| oiaohm | since the Linux kernel is growing prempt-rt particular things have got way more dangerous todo in kernel space. | Jan 26 22:37 |
| oiaohm | It really coming more and more some tasks should be in userspace. Like bpffilter programs to process iptables rules into bpffilter rules does not need to be in kernel space. | Jan 26 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Still need to be a driver for backwards compadible that iptables/nftables to bpfilter. | Jan 26 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Once run or rarely run tasks from what the Linux kernel is showing are better as userspace drivers. | Jan 26 22:41 |
| oiaohm | bpf bytecode processed in kernelspace is good for items that you need lots configuration ie you don't know what you exactly need todo in advance and will be needing to do massive number of times. Tracing, firewalling, irprotocol.... | Jan 26 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Heck even fuse base file system drivers show major gains in meta data yes/no using bpf vs being just pure userspace. | Jan 26 22:43 |
| oiaohm | Of course a real base kernel driver is still good for memory management, shedulers and other items in that class. | Jan 26 22:43 |
| oiaohm | Some how I think both monolitchic and microkernel were way too black and white. Reason why neither side could 100 percent agree was that neither was 100 percent right but right on a case by case base. | Jan 26 22:47 |
| MinceR | maybe the plan9 way is the right one | Jan 26 22:54 |
| oiaohm | plan9 is missing the bytecode jit in kernel space. Other wise it could be the right one. | Jan 26 22:59 |
| oiaohm | It seams like most of the core ideas we have had to attempt to make a perfect OS have been at least part right | Jan 26 22:59 |
| oiaohm | but in pure form all the ideas have defects. | Jan 26 22:59 |
| oiaohm | http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/linux.conf.au/2019/a1/Friday/Apathy_and_Arsenic_a_Victorian_Era_lesson_on_fighting_the_surveillance_state.mp4 Found a LCA2019 video too hot for youtube. | Jan 26 23:00 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/fZiqURj | Jan 26 23:21 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19010471 | Jan 26 23:36 |
| cubexyz | it's not so much the methodology of the OS but it's eco-system | Jan 26 23:41 |
| cubexyz | no one really cares if their OS is "monolithic" or "microkernel" | Jan 26 23:42 |
| cubexyz | as long as they can run what they want to run | Jan 26 23:43 |
| cubexyz | say that microkernel is better, sure... | Jan 26 23:43 |
| cubexyz | but if you don't have any applications for it then no one will use it (plan9 I'm looking at you) | Jan 26 23:44 |
| MinceR | i do really care | Jan 26 23:44 |
| MinceR | or at least did until the last multiserver microkernel project committed suicide | Jan 26 23:44 |
| MinceR | (or the only one) | Jan 26 23:44 |
| MinceR | what plan9 needs is a better windowing system | Jan 26 23:45 |
| MinceR | rio is little more than a glorified terminal emulator | Jan 26 23:45 |
| cubexyz | is anyone working on plan9 these days? | Jan 26 23:45 |
| MinceR | probably | Jan 26 23:46 |
| MinceR | there's 9front and whatever | Jan 26 23:46 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure if plan9 would work on very modern hardware | Jan 26 23:47 |
| cubexyz | a lot of the time I'm asked get this game working on XXX | Jan 26 23:55 |
| cubexyz | so msdos, VESA, DPMI, why is this not working... | Jan 26 23:55 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19011847 | Jan 26 23:56 |
| cubexyz | so quite a lot of dosbox work really | Jan 26 23:56 |
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