IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: April 8th, 2019 – April 14th, 2019

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schestowitz	Thanks for article ideas.	Apr 08 05:18
schestowitz	I have loads or scattered noted right now.	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	I will start focusing more (as a decade ago) on Microsoft entryism.	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	Not been having to worry much lately about the back end thankfully.	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	[root@tuxmachines ~]# uptime	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	21:15:37 up 17 days, 9:47, 1 user, load average: 0.91, 0.82, 0.74	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	[root@techrights ~]# uptime	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	21:15:32 up 20 days, 10:13, 1 user, load average: 1.90, 2.01, 1.97	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	localhost:/home/schestowitz# uptime	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	04:17:14 up 131 days, 6:56, load average: 3.45, 3.97, 3.76	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	so the hv has lots of spare capacity left.	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	Lots of legit traffic in TR this past week. The LF articles interest many. I will work on another. In just a moment. I could use any help I can get.	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1114842330383769610	Apr 08 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Things I want to know and hope someone out there can clarify/explain: - Who other than #redhat came up with #lvfs ?… https://t.co/pR2PiFCKIq		Apr 08 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Things I want to know and hope someone out there can clarify/explain: - Who other than #redhat came up with #lvfs ?… https://t.co/pR2PiFCKIq		Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	Things I want to know and hope someone out there can clarify/explain:	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	- Who other than #redhat came up with #lvfs ?	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	- Who in Linux Foundation decided to support it and why?	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	- Who receives access to the program and the data?	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	Can you help?	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	^^ if anyone here wants to help	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	the above is pasted from an email	Apr 08 05:19
schestowitz	MinceR: re	Apr 08 05:21
schestowitz	[22:29] <MinceR> https://hugelolcdn.com/i/593800.jpg	Apr 08 05:21
schestowitz	I don't 'fart'	Apr 08 05:21
schestowitz	all: we need to find out what LF wants with LVFS	Apr 08 05:22
schestowitz	maybe someone can shoot an e-mail to LF	Apr 08 05:22
schestowitz	I cannot use my name, they would know what I'm up to	Apr 08 05:22
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oiaohm	schestowitz: https://news.softpedia.com/news/linux-users-will-soon-be-able-to-update-dell-firmware-from-inside-the-os-497479.shtml founding of lvfs you are looking here fwupd start. This was a redhat/dell joint thing.	Apr 08 06:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux Users Will Soon Be Able to Update Dell Firmware from Inside the OS		Apr 08 06:57
oiaohm	schestowitz: intel was the third party in.	Apr 08 06:58
oiaohm	and that lvfs history was before Linux Foundation involvement.	Apr 08 07:00
oiaohm	schestowitz: dell has a lot of historic responsibility with Linux for starting projects that short out driver and firmware issues.	Apr 08 07:02
schestowitz	"v"Nice. Attached here is the sponsor prospectus - Page 14 there are 3 tiers to get a tweet by jono!"	Apr 08 07:32
schestowitz	oiaohm: thanks	Apr 08 07:33
schestowitz	"	Apr 08 07:36
schestowitz	Subject: jonobacon	Apr 08 07:36
schestowitz	" @jonobacon hi jono, sources are claiming that you have been receiving	Apr 08 07:36
schestowitz	payments for tweets in connection to clients/LF sponsors. Is this true?	Apr 08 07:36
schestowitz	I am preparing an article, must double-check first with you"	Apr 08 07:36
schestowitz	I could use more info on this and his bashing of RMS also	Apr 08 07:36
schestowitz	"	Apr 08 07:36
schestowitz	MinceR: waif for it	Apr 08 07:36
schestowitz	he works for Microsoft	Apr 08 07:36
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schestowitz	MinceR: http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/	Apr 08 07:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft \| Techrights		Apr 08 07:59
schestowitz	also relevant to all here	Apr 08 07:59
schestowitz	oiaohm:	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>> Things I want to know and hope someone out there can clarify/explain:	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>> - Who other than #redhat came up with #lvfs ?	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>> - Who in Linux Foundation decided to support it and why?	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>> - Who receives access to the program and the data?	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>>	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>> Can you help?	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> I can look around for public sources but aside from having accidentally	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> spoken with Robert Young once at a conference have not met any Red Hat	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> people that I can recall. I'd not have any contacts or non-public	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> information.	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> so do you mean material like the following?	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LVFS-10k-Plus-Files-2019	Apr 08 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LVFS Could Be Hosting 10k+ Firmware Files By End Of 2019 - Phoronix		Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/2019/03/lvfs-project-announcement/	Apr 08 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxfoundation.org \| LVFS Project Announcement - The Linux Foundation		Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> # became LF project	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lvfs-announce/2019-February/000013.html	Apr 08 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.linuxfoundation.org \| [Lvfs-announce] Support for the LVFS next week		Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> # 5 million	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> https://fwupd.org/#	Apr 08 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fwupd.org \| LVFS: Home		Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> # warning for javascript-only "web" page	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> # it runs on flask (python)	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> https://fwupd.org/lvfs/docs/developers	Apr 08 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fwupd.org \| LVFS: Developers		Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> # should look into how tied it is to systemd if at all	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:09
schestowitz	> https://github.com/hughsie/fwupd/releases?after=0.5.0	Apr 08 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Releases · hughsie/fwupd · GitHub		Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	> # it started in 2015	Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	> https://github.com/hughsie/fwupd	Apr 08 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - hughsie/fwupd: A simple daemon to allow session software to update firmware		Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	> # purpose	Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	> https://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/page/57/	Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	> https://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2006/11/03/re-why-is-microsoft-partnering-with-novell/	Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	> # he seems to have a long established GNOME blog, see the bio blurb at	Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	> the end of his posts	Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| Technical Blog of Richard Hughes – Page 57 – Blog about geeky stuff		Apr 08 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| re: Why is Microsoft partnering with Novell – Technical Blog of Richard Hughes		Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/page.cgi?id=browse.html&product=gnome-color-manager	Apr 08 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.gnome.org \| Browse: gnome-color-manager		Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:10
schestowitz	> https://mobile.twitter.com/hughsient/status/1096681162829901824?p=v	Apr 08 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com \| Twitter		Apr 08 08:10
MinceR	08 085942 < schestowitz> MinceR: http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/	Apr 08 08:10
MinceR	lol	Apr 08 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft \| Techrights		Apr 08 08:10
MinceR	he got where he belongs, like de icaza	Apr 08 08:13
schestowitz	yeah	Apr 08 08:13
oiaohm	Marketers always go where the money is.	Apr 08 08:14
schestowitz	> This one might be useful:	Apr 08 08:22
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:22
schestowitz	> https://fosspost.org/analytics/privacy-security-concern-regarding-gnome-software	Apr 08 08:22
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosspost.org \| A Privacy & Security Concern Regarding GNOME Software		Apr 08 08:22
schestowitz	> I'd compare that against an older version in the Internet Archive but	Apr 08 08:22
schestowitz	> their "Elasticsearch" is broken again.	Apr 08 08:22
schestowitz	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/110777	Apr 08 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A Privacy & Security Concern Regarding GNOME Software \| Tux Machines		Apr 08 08:22
schestowitz	> As far as I can tell, Red Hat was the main sponsor at first:	Apr 08 08:24
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:24
schestowitz	> https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/LVFS%20Whitepaper.pdf	Apr 08 08:24
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:24
schestowitz	> https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/blog-post/firmware-updates-linux-and-using-data-influence-procurement-decisions	Apr 08 08:24
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:24
schestowitz	> https://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2018/05/09/system76-and-the-lvfs/	Apr 08 08:24
schestowitz	> # see also the comments	Apr 08 08:24
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncsc.gov.uk \| NCSC		Apr 08 08:24
schestowitz	> https://blog.system76.com/post/173801677358/system76-and-lvfs-what-really-happened	Apr 08 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| System76 and the LVFS – Technical Blog of Richard Hughes		Apr 08 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.system76.com \| System76 Blog — System76 and LVFS - What Really Happened		Apr 08 08:25
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:25
schestowitz	> https://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2018/02/01/firmware-telemetry-for-vendors/	Apr 08 08:25
schestowitz	>	Apr 08 08:25
schestowitz	> https://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2016/08/24/getting-s3-statistics-using-s3stat/	Apr 08 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| Firmware Telemetry for Vendors – Technical Blog of Richard Hughes		Apr 08 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| Getting S3 Statistics using S3stat – Technical Blog of Richard Hughes		Apr 08 08:25
schestowitz	If there is nothing really nefarious here, maybe we can move on and not treat it as suspicious anymore? What do you think?	Apr 08 08:25
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schestowitz	Dear Richard Stallman	Apr 08 08:57
schestowitz	Recently I began investigating the LF. My findings are all listed here, in a Web page that's only minutes old.	Apr 08 08:57
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation	Apr 08 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Linux Foundation - Techrights		Apr 08 08:57
schestowitz	>> If there is nothing really nefarious here, maybe we can move on and not	Apr 08 08:59
schestowitz	>> treat it as suspicious anymore? What do you think?	Apr 08 08:59
schestowitz	> Sounds good.	Apr 08 08:59
schestowitz	I that as a "yes, leave those guys alone. Wrong target..."	Apr 08 08:59
oiaohm	Complex projects like Linux funding brings own set of headaches.	Apr 08 09:05
schestowitz	>> My findings are all listed here, in a Web page that's only minutes old.	Apr 08 09:06
schestowitz	>>	Apr 08 09:06
schestowitz	>> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation	Apr 08 09:06
schestowitz	> Bacon was inside Canonical for a long time, too. I think his presence	Apr 08 09:06
schestowitz	> hurt the company and, especially, the Ubuntu project. At the time I	Apr 08 09:06
schestowitz	> objected to his top-down style as spinmeister which he used instead of	Apr 08 09:06
schestowitz	> interacting with the community with give-and-take. Then his M$	Apr 08 09:06
schestowitz	> tendencies started to become apparent and Shuttleworth failed to fire	Apr 08 09:06
schestowitz	> him. Now Ubuntu is quite out of favor.	Apr 08 09:06
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/6YCHKHN	Apr 08 21:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1115354880909225989	Apr 08 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: "By their fruits shall you know them," or something like that: Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft https://t.co/oAT17lJxE8		Apr 08 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft \| Techrights		Apr 08 22:05
MinceR	dingleberries	Apr 08 22:05
schestowitz	remember he used to hand out here in IRC	Apr 08 22:08
schestowitz	I guess he's on Slack of MS Meeting or whatever they call theirs, I forgot...	Apr 08 22:08
MinceR	skype	Apr 08 22:09
XRevan86	"Skype for Business" possibly	Apr 08 22:10
MinceR	yeah	Apr 08 22:11
schestowitz	there's something for biz talk	Apr 08 22:12
schestowitz	like Slack	Apr 08 22:12
MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3jC20VWkAEZX4-.jpg:orig	Apr 08 22:12
schestowitz	Teams	Apr 08 22:12
schestowitz	I think	Apr 08 22:12
schestowitz	MS Teams	Apr 08 22:12
XRevan86	They should rename Skype to "Skype for Wasting Time" for consistency.	Apr 08 22:13
MinceR	ah yes, WTF Server	Apr 08 22:13
MinceR	or just WTFS	Apr 08 22:13
schestowitz	sjype will die	Apr 08 22:14
schestowitz	just not yet	Apr 08 22:14
schestowitz	MS kills anything it touches	Apr 08 22:14
schestowitz	github will be next	Apr 08 22:14
schestowitz	whatsapp stoke MS' skype lunch	Apr 08 22:14
schestowitz	I reckon it has far more users now	Apr 08 22:15
XRevan86	Facebook sounds like worse.	Apr 08 22:15
XRevan86	schestowitz: Not an optimistic prognosis.	Apr 08 22:15
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MinceR	(cat) https://imgur.com/gallery/mtxOrlr	Apr 08 22:49
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MinceR	Shawn's Got The Shotgun	Apr 08 22:50
MinceR	https://i.redd.it/tk1xo6v0f2r21.jpg	Apr 08 23:05
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cubexyz	https://fossforce.com/2019/04/the-end-of-google-is-a-reminder-of-why-foss-matters/	Apr 09 01:49
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cubexyz	contains some interesting remarks about OS/2 and IBM	Apr 09 01:50
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schestowitz	XRevan86: yeah, still GAFAM	Apr 09 04:18
schestowitz	and close to Microsoft, which was an ally and stakeholder	Apr 09 04:18
schestowitz	Facebook gives MSFT accesss to its data	Apr 09 04:19
schestowitz	"	Apr 09 04:21
schestowitz	Should we have known better? Of course. Google has such a long history of closing down projects that there are even sites dedicated to listing all the failures, like Google Cemetery. But the closure emphasizes the obvious: corporations are not on the side of their user-bases.	Apr 09 04:21
schestowitz	Nor is this reminder applicable only to social media forums. It applies even more so to cloud applications and services like Google Docs and online storage. Providers’ claims to be secure have to be taken on trust without the least bit of evidence. Even worse, often both the terms of service and the services themselves are subject to unilateral changes by the providers.	Apr 09 04:21
schestowitz	Linux users of Dropbox had a minor example of this basic truth in 2018, when the company announced it would only support ext4 filesystems. The fact that ext4 is probably the most commonly used filesystem in Linux does not make the change any less arbitrary.	Apr 09 04:21
schestowitz	Online services often out-compete FOSS ones. Both offer free services, but the online services are often better known and offer easier interfaces. If convenience were the only criterion, who wouldn’t prefer Google+ to Mastodon?	Apr 09 04:21
schestowitz	"	Apr 09 04:21
schestowitz	Relying on Google not to change or break things	Apr 09 04:21
schestowitz	they botched Google News too	Apr 09 04:21
schestowitz	at least not completely dead. Yet.	Apr 09 04:21
schestowitz	As it is merely an extension of their search 'product'/'service'	Apr 09 04:21
schestowitz	just time-restricted	Apr 09 04:22
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oiaohm	cloud means someone else server and it does not matter if this is google or not.	Apr 09 05:23
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19031318	Apr 09 08:37
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19040748	Apr 09 08:56
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schestowitz	[05:23] <oiaohm> cloud means someone else server and it does not matter if this is google or not.	Apr 09 09:16
schestowitz	yeah, better a real friend's computer	Apr 09 09:16
schestowitz	or server	Apr 09 09:16
schestowitz	someone who is loyal to you	Apr 09 09:16
schestowitz	if you cannot manage your own	Apr 09 09:16
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schestowitz	MinceR: looks like rape joke	Apr 09 09:17
schestowitz	I don't know this meme though	Apr 09 09:17
MinceR	BDSM isn't rape	Apr 09 09:19
XRevan86	https://aomedia.org/the-alliance-for-open-media-statement/	Apr 09 10:00
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19040625	Apr 09 17:39
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19040563	Apr 09 17:48
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/amCdfuY.jpg	Apr 09 20:11
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/ZtlLA44.png	Apr 09 20:57
dyfet	i had been seeing a lot of red flags popping up lately	Apr 09 21:00
XRevan86	dyfet: In what context?	Apr 09 21:02
MinceR	but usually they have a white circle with a swastika inside?	Apr 09 21:03
dyfet	linux foundation....	Apr 09 21:04
*XRevan86 saw the day before yesterday a small rally of NOD on the Nevsky prospect.		Apr 09 21:05
XRevan86	I haven't never them before	Apr 09 21:05
XRevan86	* I haven't seen them before	Apr 09 21:05
XRevan86	It's like looking at a rally of the residents of a looney bin	Apr 09 21:06
dyfet	I had been reading recent stuff from roy after hearing other people telling me about issues there	Apr 09 21:06
XRevan86	NOD is these guys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Movement_(Russia)	Apr 09 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| National Liberation Movement (Russia) - Wikipedia		Apr 09 21:07
scientes	where are you>	Apr 09 21:07
XRevan86	They had a few flags, one striped one (coloradka) and I think two USSR ones.	Apr 09 21:08
XRevan86	scientes: St. Petersburg, Russia	Apr 09 21:08
scientes	I am with a Russian from Abakan	Apr 09 21:09
XRevan86	and they had a banner saying that Putin needs to proclaim martial law	Apr 09 21:09
MinceR	i thought it was these guys: https://cnc.fandom.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Nod	Apr 09 21:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cnc.fandom.com \| Brotherhood of Nod \| Command and Conquer Wiki \| FANDOM powered by Wikia		Apr 09 21:12
XRevan86	MinceR: I wish :)	Apr 09 21:13
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MinceR	but now i can see you meant a more evil group	Apr 09 21:13
XRevan86	Statements of their leader are most entertaining	Apr 09 21:14
XRevan86	like "you think who raised the pension age in Russia? you think it was United Russia? it was the United States!"	Apr 09 21:14
XRevan86	(inaccurate, from memory)	Apr 09 21:14
scientes	interesting	Apr 09 21:14
MinceR	weird	Apr 09 21:15
XRevan86	Extreme Putinism %)	Apr 09 21:15
MinceR	i didn't realize the US had such power over russia	Apr 09 21:15
XRevan86	MinceR: But somehow not over Putin	Apr 09 21:16
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One	by Antonio Campinos	Apr 09 21:17
One	EPO	Apr 09 21:17
MinceR	One: we seem to have missed the beginning of your message	Apr 09 21:17
One	Your input for our future strategic plan Dear Colleagues, This afternoon, Willis Towers Watson (WTW) presented the findings of the Office-wide staff engagement survey "Your voice, our future" to all staff (available here).	Apr 09 21:18
One	That´s the beginning	Apr 09 21:18
One	The first thing I would like to do is to thank all of you for participating. An 85% participation rate has given Willis Towers Watson a sizeable and credible set of data to analyse, and on which to base their conclusions.	Apr 09 21:18
One	I think it´s the full message.	Apr 09 21:19
One	The most remarkable part is this one: We will therefore commit to holding another strategic staff engagement survey by no later than 2022.	Apr 09 21:20
MinceR	One: the first line we got was:	Apr 09 21:21
MinceR	09 221715 <+One> by Antonio Campinos	Apr 09 21:21
One	Are three years needed in order to get the opinions of the staff? And what was this survey about then if not the opinions of the staff?	Apr 09 21:21
One	In a way it´s a sort of humorous prose but with a dadaist touch. Makes no sense whatsoever.	Apr 09 21:23
One	I´ll send it again.	Apr 09 21:23
One	Your input for our future strategic plan Dear Colleagues, This afternoon, Willis Towers Watson (WTW) presented the findings of the Office-wide staff engagement survey "Your voice, our future" to all staff (available here). The first thing I would like to do is to thank all of you for participating. An 85% participation rate has given Willis Towers Watson a sizeable and credible set of data to analyse, and on which to base their	Apr 09 21:24
One	Moving forwards, we must act upon the findings. Given the Office-wide nature of these results, the responsibility to rectify any shortcomings falls to all of us and everyone will now play their part in improving staff engagement - on the basis of shared responsibility. As one organisation, we will take shared ownership of this report, assess the findings with our colleagues and work together to collectively address the issues that	Apr 09 21:24
One	As a next step, you will have the opportunity to discuss the results with your managers. They will be given access to your unit results report during the course of this month, after the DG discussions on the results and will be in a position to evaluate specific results with you.	Apr 09 21:25
One	With a good understanding of the results, our Office will take a number of actions together to respond to the issues identified in the survey. Firstly, we will examine how we can address the findings of the survey in the Strategic Plan. The findings have arrived on time and with clear recommendations, so we are in a good position to evaluate possible measures that could be incorporated into the forthcoming Strategic Plan to achiev	Apr 09 21:25
One	In addition, we will use focus groups to evaluate the survey results and to help us draw up an action plan with specific measures to improve staff engagement. The focus groups will help us to address certain issues which are either particularly pressing, are deemed to need special attention or which can supplement other actions foreseen in the Strategic Plan.	Apr 09 21:25
One	Lastly, we will ensure effective follow-up and monitoring. The survey identified that only a small proportion of staff felt that the Office does enough to get the opinions of its staff. We will therefore commit to holding another strategic staff engagement survey by no later than 2022. The overall score on staff engagement will also be added to the Balanced Scorecard.	Apr 09 21:26
One	As a last word, I would like to encourage you all to be as proactive as possible in assessing the results with your colleagues and managers. The survey and the responses from our staff have provided us with a much clearer understanding of the areas in which we need to make further effort. I am convinced that this survey - and our response to it - will help us to build the engaged, knowledgeable and collaborative organisation we asp	Apr 09 21:26
One	End of message	Apr 09 21:26
MinceR	:)	Apr 09 21:27
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/VAFBf7D.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/VAFBf7D )	Apr 09 22:29
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19040562	Apr 09 22:37
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XRevan86	kaniini: I've just tried to send a notice reply to rainbowdash.net, and it never reached its destination.	Apr 09 22:57
XRevan86	kaniini: I get the feeling like they've broken federation completely.	Apr 09 22:57
kaniini	lol	Apr 09 22:57
XRevan86	> HTTPClient: HTTP POST http://rainbowdash.net/main/salmon/user/1 - 400 Bad Request	Apr 09 22:59
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XRevan86	Doesn't get better than that.	Apr 09 23:00
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/WS6rZSm	Apr 09 23:02
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/hughsient/status/1115707876268490752	Apr 10 03:07
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schestowitz	"It was nearly all my work, and I'm a RH employee. The LF is a more vendor neutral home for this shared functionality and means existing LF members will find it easier to support. I'm the registered data controller and the privacy policy is on the website."	Apr 10 03:07
scientes	oh wow thats great	Apr 10 03:09
scientes	only from IBM (R)	Apr 10 03:09
scientes	lets have a free software company host non-free software!	Apr 10 03:09
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scientes	schestowitz, whats the problems?	Apr 10 03:12
schestowitz	nothing	Apr 10 03:13
scientes	it doesn't look that bad	Apr 10 03:13
scientes	its way better than the situation on arm	Apr 10 03:13
schestowitz	[21:17] <MinceR> One: we seem to have missed the beginning of your message	Apr 10 03:22
schestowitz	The lines gets truncated each time he or she posts here	Apr 10 03:22
schestowitz	issues withe IRC client's handling	Apr 10 03:23
schestowitz	@gateway/web/freenode	Apr 10 03:23
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XRevan86	https://gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2019/04/10	Apr 10 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pearls Before Swine by Stephan Pastis for April 10, 2019 - GoComics		Apr 10 09:37
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schestowitz	XRevan86: ha	Apr 10 09:52
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schestowitz	RMS: "Who is Jono Bacon, and why is it important whether he works for Microsoft?"	Apr 10 11:41
schestowitz	Bacon used to work for Canonical. He now works with the LF (a client), which is "selling tweets". Last week Canonical was advertising for Microsoft.	Apr 10 11:41
schestowitz	Financial compromise is threatening the community. Last year Microsoft paid a lot of money to OSI and 2 weeks ago the OSI's blog posts were even composed by Microsoft staff (inside the OSI's' Board now).	Apr 10 11:41
schestowitz	-me	Apr 10 11:41
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schestowitz	"No problem. I spoke recently with someone who has a lot of experience with boards and explained the LF situation. They said that kind of take over was so common that it probably could have been forseen and guarded against, but stopped short of actually saying it quite like that. As for how to fix the situation, no ideas yet."	Apr 10 11:50
schestowitz	" If you ask Rick Moen, he can tell you the story about how he was organizing a Conference - started having issues with the venue and such... and was given an "offer" not to continue doing so."	Apr 10 12:03
schestowitz	worlomg pm artoc;e///	Apr 10 12:05
schestowitz	"Putting the CON in Conference!"	Apr 10 12:05
schestowitz	gpt lf_sponsorship19_032119.pdf	Apr 10 12:05
schestowitz	off lf site	Apr 10 12:05
schestowitz	I have notes I can use as quotes to obscure source.	Apr 10 12:05
schestowitz	oiaohm: any infi/progress on this?	Apr 10 12:06
schestowitz	ohama: did you go to LF events?	Apr 10 12:06
schestowitz	maybe kaniini?	Apr 10 12:06
schestowitz	"After speaking with Bill Wright at LFNW, at length, I discovered that many sponsors expect a slot. "	Apr 10 12:09
schestowitz	"	Apr 10 12:10
schestowitz	1. VM Brasseur was working SCaLE, SeaGL and LibrePlanet	Apr 10 12:10
schestowitz	2. Deb Nicholson was also side by side with VM Brasseur many times in the conference presentation evaluation circuit	Apr 10 12:10
schestowitz	3. Molly De Blanc, upon receiving a letter of my concern, addressed this to me and not FSF Staff.	Apr 10 12:10
schestowitz	"	Apr 10 12:10
schestowitz	First Email from RMS:	Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz	"Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>	Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz		Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz	Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 8:47 AM	Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz		Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz	to aicra	Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz	[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]	Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz	[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]	Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz	[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]	Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz	> "To be clear here: there is nothing wrong with using a proprietary	Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz	> license for the software that keeps the lights on at your company	Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz	> (figuratively speaking). While I, personally, would prefer everything	Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz	> be free and open, I also prefer that companies remain solvent. To do	Apr 10 12:16
schestowitz	> that, it's usually necessary for some software to remain proprietary,	Apr 10 12:17
schestowitz	I don't like that either. I will find out what role she is playing in our decisions.	Apr 10 12:17
schestowitz	As for SCALE and so on, I would not expect better from the Linux Foundation and so on."	Apr 10 12:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MattBlocksom/status/1115931996256133120	Apr 10 12:20
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/Sc6dXGl.jpg	Apr 10 17:45
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kaniini	schestowitz: i've never attended an LF event, the $ for value just has never been there for me	Apr 10 18:27
DaemonFC[m]	systemd-rpm-macros ..... WTF	Apr 10 18:56
DaemonFC[m]	They're tying rpm into systemd?	Apr 10 18:56
kaniini	no, it is probably convenience macros for installing units etc	Apr 10 18:57
MinceR	it would be logical	Apr 10 18:57
MinceR	after all, the hype was about "standardizing" "linux"	Apr 10 18:57
MinceR	the package manager is an obvious target	Apr 10 18:57
MinceR	and something as broken as yum is an obvious choice for them	Apr 10 18:57
XRevan86	kaniini: It is indeed.	Apr 10 18:58
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/x8PuM1T.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/IEZeCmq )	Apr 10 19:41
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/voM9r4m.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/v0mVufq )	Apr 10 20:04
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/qkdzAAU.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/pPbzmCt )	Apr 10 21:22
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schestowitz	[18:56] <DaemonFC[m]> They're tying rpm into systemd?	Apr 10 21:33
schestowitz	flatfak used to required systemd	Apr 10 21:33
schestowitz	flatpak	Apr 10 21:33
schestowitz	I think it was changed after we made complaints about it	Apr 10 21:33
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/lxo3oAV.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/ZmGFCMe )	Apr 10 22:34
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kotten_	hey	Apr 10 22:44
kotten_	I can't open: http://techrights.org/2019/04/10/putting-the-con-in-conference/	Apr 10 22:45
kotten_	looking on lxer.com for the original article for: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=268364	Apr 10 22:46
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MinceR	the whole site seems to be down	Apr 10 22:47
MinceR	schestowitz: ping	Apr 10 22:47
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kotten_	MinceR thanks	Apr 10 22:49
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MinceR	np	Apr 10 22:49
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19040558	Apr 10 22:56
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19040524	Apr 10 23:31
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oiaohm	I find it funny that Microsoft does so called research paper anti fork after all the nightmares implementing fork has done them for WSL.	Apr 11 03:34
DaemonFC[m]	https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/233	Apr 11 03:45
DaemonFC[m]	:)	Apr 11 03:45
oiaohm	Linux people being brought to windows you should expect durablity testing.	Apr 11 04:00
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schestowitz	[22:47] <MinceR> the whole site seems to be down	Apr 11 04:44
schestowitz	VM crashed just when I went to bed :(	Apr 11 04:44
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schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36599/	Apr 11 05:07
schestowitz	"	Apr 11 05:07
schestowitz	The world had better hope that the information in the article is false.	Apr 11 05:07
schestowitz	If FOSS developers are motivated to code/fix purely based on direct salary for their efforts... they'll become just as good as commercial software developers (because they will be the same). Which pretty much means, apathetic.	Apr 11 05:07
schestowitz	Don't let money be your motivator. And at the same time, FOSS users, employee a FOSS developer, they need food, shelter, etc.	Apr 11 05:07
schestowitz	But let the FOSS developer "be" what they need to be.	Apr 11 05:07
schestowitz	We (former IBMers) are all hoping and praying that IBM doesn't culturize the Red Hat folks. I can't imagine a worse fate.	Apr 11 05:07
schestowitz	"	Apr 11 05:07
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schestowitz	MinceR: maybe I should hive you my phone number in case of downtime when I'm alseep?	Apr 11 05:29
schestowitz	can't think of a service that detects bots going offline and making a call	Apr 11 05:29
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schestowitz	Richard Stallman wrote on 10/04/2019 22:49:> You often you say "Zemlin PAC". Could you explain what that refers	Apr 11 08:58
schestowitz	> to, concretely? Do you mean "PAC" literally, or metaphorically?	Apr 11 08:58
schestowitz	> What is the official of the organization?	Apr 11 08:58
schestowitz	The LF engages in a lot of political activities; it even brought in top officials from US politics.	Apr 11 08:58
schestowitz	Its nature is largely political and it favours large corporations.	Apr 11 08:58
schestowitz	Zemlin, who said his job was to pay Torvalds, pays himself and some colleagues more than he pays Torvalds, as IRS filings reveal. They might (by now) be paying themselves up to a million dollars each, tax-exempted, per year, in this 'non-profit".	Apr 11 08:58
schestowitz	kaniini: RMS talks about you	Apr 11 09:07
schestowitz	your message to Alpine	Apr 11 09:07
schestowitz	Richard Stallman wrote on 10/04/2019 22:50:> What is or was the LOT Network?	Apr 11 09:15
schestowitz	> I don't recogize that name, so I am struggling to understand	Apr 11 09:15
schestowitz	> http://techrights.org/2019/03/31/lot-network-microsoft-pr/.	Apr 11 09:15
schestowitz	The LOT Network is a patent pool, which claims to be defensive. If you check who's behind it (foundations and management at present), you soon realise they are pro-software patents. As Bruce Perens put it, OIN exists to protect software patents from us, now us from software patents. LOT is similar.	Apr 11 09:15
schestowitz	> Hi, Roy,	Apr 11 09:34
schestowitz	>	Apr 11 09:34
schestowitz	> A key developer seems to have been removed.	Apr 11 09:34
schestowitz	>	Apr 11 09:34
schestowitz	> On 4/11/19 11:21 AM, KatolaZ wrote:	Apr 11 09:34
schestowitz	>> Dear D1rs,	Apr 11 09:34
schestowitz	>>	Apr 11 09:34
schestowitz	>> the first Devuan Conference last weekend was an incredible experience,	Apr 11 09:34
schestowitz	>> which confirmed that Devuan has lots of energy, strength, imagination,	Apr 11 09:34
schestowitz	>> humanity, and willpower to succeed in its quest. Devuan is in	Apr 11 09:34
schestowitz	>> excellent hands, and it is destined to grow from strength to strength.	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>>	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> I joined this project much before it was called Devuan, and I have	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> always considered it a battle worth to be fought, day after day. I	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> promised myself that I would have continued contributing to Devuan	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> until the day we would have started talking corporate bullshit, or	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> stopped trusting each other, or given up on having fun.	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>>	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> In the last ten days all those threee things have materialised, to	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> different degrees. Hence, I have decided to withdraw from Devuan and	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> will now take an indefinite leave from the project.	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>>	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> Please forget this thread and do not waste any single bit on it: I	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> will not read and I will not reply. If you have time to spare, use it	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> to help Devuan in any way you can. Beowulf is very close, it will be a	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> fantastic release and it will finally close the gap with upstream :)	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>>	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> Thanks for your passion and for the great community you make: this is	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> what powers Devuan, and what has made the miracle come true against	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> all odds.	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>>	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> Live, Love, GNU/Linux, and never forget to Laugh Your Asses Off ;)	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>>	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> I'll see you around.	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>>	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	>> KatolaZ, the last humble servant	Apr 11 09:35
schestowitz	I wonder what the impact will be...	Apr 11 09:35
MinceR	¯\_(ツ)_/¯	Apr 11 09:36
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MinceR	devuan couldn't (yet) do what i expected of it, but then, nothing else could either	Apr 11 09:36
XRevan86	MinceR: Get rid of libsystemd that is?	Apr 11 09:38
MinceR	yeah	Apr 11 09:39
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XRevan86	# aptitude search '~Dlibsystemd0' \| wc -l	Apr 11 09:48
XRevan86	395	Apr 11 09:48
XRevan86	less than I thought	Apr 11 09:48
MinceR	more accurately, get rid of libsystemd in a binary distro that has enough packages for me	Apr 11 09:49
XRevan86	Basically, as I understand it, Devuan won't rebuild 400 packages just to get rid of 600K of inactive code.	Apr 11 09:51
XRevan86	or rather, 200 packages, '~Dlibsystemd0' showed both amd64 and i386 packages (multiarch)	Apr 11 09:52
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/Fpha8ER.jpg	Apr 11 09:53
MinceR	inactive and waiting for an "upgrade" from a malicious upstream	Apr 11 09:54
XRevan86	MinceR: Those systemd and Debian developers are capable of anything	Apr 11 10:08
MinceR	except developing something that works reliably or securely	Apr 11 10:08
schestowitz	MinceR: nice	Apr 11 10:24
schestowitz	kaniini: I got about a dozen mails from RMS	Apr 11 10:24
schestowitz	he's going to get more involved	Apr 11 10:24
oiaohm	MinceR: its not like sysvinit solution for Linux was secure.	Apr 11 10:24
XRevan86	oiaohm: The topic isn't whether systemd or sysvinit are secure or not.	Apr 11 10:25
MinceR	oiaohm: it's not like it did a lot of stuff to make itself vulnerable, unlike your favorite OS	Apr 11 10:25
XRevan86	but whether systemd is going to put evil stuff into libsystemd, and Debian will forward it on for some reason	Apr 11 10:25
MinceR	oiaohm: it also didn't come with a library everyone was supposed to link to	Apr 11 10:26
MinceR	debian will do whatever ibm tells them to	Apr 11 10:26
oiaohm	There was libselinux linked into pid 1 of sysvinit .	Apr 11 10:26
MinceR	ibm will do whatever the nsa tells them to	Apr 11 10:26
MinceR	yes, selinux is vile, get rid of it	Apr 11 10:26
oiaohm	NSA had already messed with most of the parts that made up sysvinit solution before systemd.	Apr 11 10:26
oiaohm	Yet there was no out cry about that.	Apr 11 10:27
oiaohm	You have only really noticed since they got merged into 1 project.	Apr 11 10:27
MinceR	sysvinit was easy to replace	Apr 11 10:27
oiaohm	Nice claim but most distributions who tried found it it was not easy to replace.	Apr 11 10:27
oiaohm	Due to how much stuff expected sysvinit logic.	Apr 11 10:28
XRevan86	> it also didn't come with a library everyone was supposed to link to	Apr 11 10:28
MinceR	which is why no distro shipped with upstart or systemd instead	Apr 11 10:28
MinceR	oh wait	Apr 11 10:28
XRevan86	MinceR: You prefer D-Bus? :)	Apr 11 10:28
MinceR	no, i want dbugs to die	Apr 11 10:28
oiaohm	upstart replicated sysvinit logic for udev and other nsa modified parts.	Apr 11 10:29
MinceR	replicating systemd logic would make any "init system" pointless	Apr 11 10:29
oiaohm	There have been a few inits for embedded that can replicate systemd logic for service files.	Apr 11 10:29
XRevan86	MinceR: How do you feel about libelogind? It's a .so library that does some of the stuff libsystemd does.	Apr 11 10:30
MinceR	XRevan86: i'm not a fan, but at least its upstream seems less malicious	Apr 11 10:30
oiaohm	openrc is looking at including processing for systemd unit files.	Apr 11 10:30
XRevan86	And those who want to interact elogind, should use it.	Apr 11 10:30
XRevan86	* interact with elogind	Apr 11 10:30
XRevan86	MinceR: So what's so evil about systemd having a library?	Apr 11 10:31
MinceR	will openrc also implement systemd-hostnamed and systemd-timedated?	Apr 11 10:31
MinceR	XRevan86: that they can run any code they feel like in your processes, e.g. inside openssh-server	Apr 11 10:31
MinceR	XRevan86: and they've already demonstrated that they'll stop at nothing to get more power over you	Apr 11 10:31
oiaohm	MinceR: https://cgit.gentoo.org/proj/openrc-settingsd.git/ hostnamed and timedated turn out to be trivial to reimplement.	Apr 11 10:35
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MinceR	also unnecessary and undesirable	Apr 11 10:35
oiaohm	Also techically optional build.	Apr 11 10:35
oiaohm	I noticed you did not mention this one MinceR https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/localed/ Came out of the same stack of experments.	Apr 11 10:37
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MinceR	i can't be expected to memorize all the bloat that's inside cancerd	Apr 11 10:38
oiaohm	Its more used in Applications than either hostnamed or timedated.	Apr 11 10:39
oiaohm	Really what can be expected is that MinceR cannot consider that systemd developer have had a few good ideas.	Apr 11 10:40
oiaohm	Like adding a system so applications in fact know when you have changed locale setting.	Apr 11 10:41
MinceR	what can be expected is that oiaohm will never see beyond his infatuation with bloated malware and realize how atrocious cancerd is	Apr 11 10:42
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schestowitz	Assange has just been arrested	Apr 11 10:45
MinceR	how did that happen?	Apr 11 10:45
schestowitz	welaked in	Apr 11 10:45
schestowitz	the police	Apr 11 10:45
schestowitz	embassy let them	Apr 11 10:46
MinceR	sad	Apr 11 10:46
XRevan86	Reminds me of some older news articles about how no one's going to touch Assange	Apr 11 10:48
XRevan86	that he's being unreasonable for staying put	Apr 11 10:48
schestowitz	well, he's finished	Apr 11 10:49
schestowitz	will soon be fighting in courts	Apr 11 10:49
schestowitz	first uk	Apr 11 10:49
schestowitz	over sending to us	Apr 11 10:49
schestowitz	then us	Apr 11 10:49
schestowitz	kangaroo court	Apr 11 10:49
schestowitz	game over	Apr 11 10:49
XRevan86	https://washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/1/julian-assange-given-multiple-assurances-uk-over-p	Apr 11 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtontimes.com \| Ecuador says U.K. won't extradite WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange to face death penalty abroad - Washington Times		Apr 11 10:49
XRevan86	https://breitbart.com/tech/2018/12/06/ecuador-uk-providing-sufficient-guarantees-assange-can-exit-embassy	Apr 11 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.breitbart.com \| Ecuador: U.K. Assures Julian Assange Can Leave Embassy Safely		Apr 11 10:51
schestowitz	old	Apr 11 10:51
MinceR	>breitbart	Apr 11 10:51
schestowitz	not relevant now	Apr 11 10:51
schestowitz	imo	Apr 11 10:51
schestowitz	I think we must focus on other aspects	Apr 11 10:52
schestowitz	since then we found news	Apr 11 10:52
schestowitz	about sealed indictment	Apr 11 10:52
schestowitz	so it's sort of more important	Apr 11 10:52
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XRevan86	> is a far-right syndicated American news	Apr 11 10:53
XRevan86	MinceR: ah	Apr 11 10:53
XRevan86	schestowitz: right	Apr 11 10:53
XRevan86	I just like the hypocrisy	Apr 11 10:53
oiaohm	MinceR: I have never said that systemd is perfect. I can see it defects. But I am not past seeing that it has a few good points that any competitor should pick up.	Apr 11 10:54
MinceR	i gave up on breitbart when they read their article gloating about how they found evidence on some wrongdoing on hillary's part and the "evidence" they included had nothing of the sort in it	Apr 11 10:54
MinceR	oiaohm: and become the same evil mess, yeah	Apr 11 10:54
oiaohm	MinceR: picking up the good points does not have to make it the same mess.	Apr 11 10:55
MinceR	it is now heresy to use a command line utility to do stuff with date/time or hostname now	Apr 11 10:55
MinceR	oiaohm: the points you believe to be good, aren't	Apr 11 10:55
oiaohm	hostname change applications who have read the hostname are not updated when you use the hostname command.	Apr 11 10:55
oiaohm	Basically there are problems you are ignoring and not providing a solution to.	Apr 11 10:56
MinceR	oh no, how will i have animated hostnames with emojis in them, then?	Apr 11 10:56
MinceR	i think i can leave with not changing the hostname all the time if it means i can use the resources for useful work instead	Apr 11 10:57
MinceR	s/leave/live/	Apr 11 10:57
oiaohm	MinceR: animated hostnames with emojis in them, then <<You were meaning this as stupid. Unicode support in domiannames and hostnames already have given that.	Apr 11 10:58
MinceR	featuritis	Apr 11 10:59
oiaohm	That was done before systemd existed so catch up.	Apr 11 10:59
MinceR	ketchup won't make it any more palatable	Apr 11 11:00
oiaohm	https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-skwan-utf8-dns-06 2001 was when we started seeing hostname and domain names go unicode.	Apr 11 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tools.ietf.org \| draft-skwan-utf8-dns-06 - Using the UTF-8 Character Set in the Domain Name System		Apr 11 11:01
oiaohm	I cannot remember when animated was added to unicode.	Apr 11 11:01
MinceR	but can we have video clips with audio in our host/domain names yet?	Apr 11 11:02
oiaohm	That right emojis in 2010 when they were added being animated was a font optional feature.	Apr 11 11:05
oiaohm	Yes being animated with audio was also allowed.	Apr 11 11:05
oiaohm	MinceR: so kind of you could have a video clip with audio in host/domain name made up of emojis.	Apr 11 11:06
oiaohm	Not that I ever want to see that.	Apr 11 11:06
MinceR	poettering will tell you you want it, and you will	Apr 11 11:07
oiaohm	May not a few OSi fatal lockups caused by animated emojis with audio has caused that idea to be reconsidered.	Apr 11 11:08
MinceR	you mean iOS?	Apr 11 11:09
oiaohm	Opps yes I mean iOS	Apr 11 11:09
oiaohm	Apple being a head of the curve at times prevents others from having the same fate.	Apr 11 11:10
MinceR	if only	Apr 11 11:10
MinceR	instead, they lead the industry into destruction	Apr 11 11:10
oiaohm	Do note the at times.	Apr 11 11:10
MinceR	they've made closed platforms and DRM "hip" and "cool"	Apr 11 11:10
MinceR	they've taken their part in destroying the web	Apr 11 11:10
oiaohm	Has to be very extream stuff up likely costly bricking.	Apr 11 11:11
oiaohm	for the at times to happen.	Apr 11 11:11
oiaohm	Lot of dbus services end up being a place that session wide values that are not really suitable to be stored in environmental vars end up stored.	Apr 11 11:13
oiaohm	Of course that does not mean that dbus is the right thing. But there is a issue there that need a solution.	Apr 11 11:14
MinceR	yeah, there's no design done, things just "end up" in some state and it is mandatory for everyone to like it	Apr 11 11:17
MinceR	authoritarianism, so hot right now	Apr 11 11:17
MinceR	in IT as well as in everything else	Apr 11 11:17
oiaohm	Its the old defacto standard problem. Its not new.	Apr 11 11:19
oiaohm	Lot of things were written into the posix standard well before Linux because that how it end up not good design as well.	Apr 11 11:19
MinceR	something was designed badly in the past, this means everything must be designed as badly as possible now	Apr 11 11:20
oiaohm	PID being used to track services on systems that recycle PID numbers was kind of a classic example of this was right in the past yet for over 20+ years after the change to recycing PID we kept on using that method with sysvinit like solution.	Apr 11 11:21
oiaohm	and the solution be wrong.	Apr 11 11:21
oiaohm	There is a long history of screwing it up and living with it.	Apr 11 11:22
oiaohm	What we really need to grow out of.	Apr 11 11:22
MinceR	and copying the worst aspects of winblows, macos and slowlaris is just the way to do it	Apr 11 11:23
MinceR	and if someone else were to try it their own way, it would be mandatory for them to reimplement all the cancerd APIs and like it.	Apr 11 11:23
oiaohm	And then they might at long last design everything correctly.	Apr 11 11:24
MinceR	you don't get to choose both	Apr 11 11:24
oiaohm	because of being forced to start with a clean slate instead of collected garbage.	Apr 11 11:24
MinceR	you'll either reproduce this mess or design everything correctly	Apr 11 11:24
oiaohm	This is why early on I said that systemd could be just a stepping stone.	Apr 11 11:25
MinceR	yeah, a stepping stone to oblivion	Apr 11 11:26
MinceR	everything cancerd did has to be undone if things are to be done correctly	Apr 11 11:26
oiaohm	Not like staying where we were was not the path to oblivion either.	Apr 11 11:26
MinceR	and cancerd along with its dependents is making it all more difficult	Apr 11 11:26
MinceR	yeah, because not coming up with idiotic APIs and implementing them is "staying where we are"	Apr 11 11:27
MinceR	"Do something, Muttley! Anything!"	Apr 11 11:27
oiaohm	That presuming that we did not already have a stack of idiotic API .	Apr 11 11:28
oiaohm	upstart attempted to work inside sysvinit limtiations and found they were making a bigger and bigger mess.	Apr 11 11:28
oiaohm	Like I am expecting pulseaudio to die out at some point and be replaced by pipewire. Pipewire a new team who has spent more time in the design stage.	Apr 11 11:30
oiaohm	I don't know what systemd replacement will be called yet.	Apr 11 11:31
MinceR	"windows 10"	Apr 11 11:31
oiaohm	But I do expect it to come at some point or maintainer of system changes.	Apr 11 11:31
oiaohm	It will not be Windows 10.	Apr 11 11:31
MinceR	you ate systemd all up, they'll make you love windows 10 all the same	Apr 11 11:31
MinceR	then again, i'm not sure how the acquisition of rh changes things	Apr 11 11:32
oiaohm	I like systemd because it was solaris like.	Apr 11 11:32
oiaohm	SMF like.	Apr 11 11:32
MinceR	yeah, too bad the kernel doesn't have SunView built into it anymore	Apr 11 11:32
MinceR	but maybe they'll do that too	Apr 11 11:32
oiaohm	Working with zones under solaris was quite nice.	Apr 11 11:33
oiaohm	This is not something you get from windows.	Apr 11 11:33
MinceR	did slowlaris cease to exist?	Apr 11 11:33
oiaohm	If you are after hardware support fairly much yes.	Apr 11 11:34
oiaohm	Oracle has not be great doing deals with hardware vendors	Apr 11 11:35
MinceR	sun used to make hardware	Apr 11 11:35
oiaohm	And do deals with like of high speed network card controllers, harddriver controller......makers for drivers.	Apr 11 11:36
oiaohm	The key people who use to do those deals Oracle lost when they took over Sun.	Apr 11 11:36
XRevan86	> I've just tried to send a notice reply to rainbowdash.net, and it never reached its destination.	Apr 11 11:43
XRevan86	kaniini: It has %).	Apr 11 11:43
XRevan86	kaniini: It only took like a day.	Apr 11 11:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1116294090264588288	Apr 11 11:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @wikileaks @Lenin Bring evidence with him. https://t.co/EE8WZGpWMB		Apr 11 11:57
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtoshttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/122725 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ae783f77-13f8-4fe9-8b09-730c848c0b0d]		Apr 11 16:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How to gzip a Directory in Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/122723 [https://pleroma.site/objects/20f0f26e-53f3-45c0-94ef-99cb27faa17e]		Apr 11 16:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux...Do It for the Children http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/122726 #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/ec45ccd5-330f-4a47-8819-b8ee60fdf335]		Apr 11 16:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Updates, Politics, Back Doors and Planned Failure http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/122727 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e678c0ab-7252-4a73-93fc-aef4004b9743]		Apr 11 16:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Fromto, Pathway and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/122728 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d53165d5-4d68-4a63-a848-f1acf3573831]		Apr 11 16:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Mozilla Developer Roadshow, Mozilla Localization, A "moral obligation to use Firefox" and Release for #Vista10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/122729 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8a1c1922-de75-4fa1-90f8-7f8e70861373]		Apr 11 16:47
superkuh	A moral obligation not to use Firefox either.	Apr 11 16:49
superkuh	Since Moz will just follow Google wherever Chrome goes.	Apr 11 16:49
XRevan86	At least they didn't follow it with Blink.	Apr 11 16:50
superkuh	https://reclaimthenet.org/firefox-rejects-free-speech-bans-free-speech-commenting-plugin-dissenter-from-its-extensions-gallery/	Apr 11 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-reclaimthenet.org \| Firefox rejects free speech, bans free speech commenting plugin Dissenter from its extensions gallery		Apr 11 16:51
superkuh	More and more add-ons are being excluded explicitly now.	Apr 11 16:51
superkuh	Not too long ago they kicked out the paywall mitigator.	Apr 11 16:51
superkuh	Corps gonna corp.	Apr 11 16:51
XRevan86	> Dissenter.com Gab.com @getongab	Apr 11 16:52
XRevan86	Wait, Gab?	Apr 11 16:52
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SUSE Promoting Events and Proprietary Software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/122730 [https://pleroma.site/objects/73d25c1c-937c-41bf-b015-c4abb84fcb3a]		Apr 11 16:54
MinceR	palemoon is in on the extension banning game as well	Apr 11 16:56
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superkuh	Not really.	Apr 11 17:14
superkuh	All you have to do is set an about config from 2 to 3.	Apr 11 17:14
superkuh	Whereas Moz requires crypto signing for all add-ons.	Apr 11 17:14
XRevan86	https://twitter.com/ValdikSS/status/1116066219281592320	Apr 11 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ValdikSS: Many people, incl. friends of mine, rely on "cloud" for file storage, use "free" messengers, listen to music on "se… https://t.co/PAFHU52us1		Apr 11 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ValdikSS: Many people, incl. friends of mine, rely on "cloud" for file storage, use "free" messengers, listen to music on "se… https://t.co/PAFHU52us1		Apr 11 17:14
superkuh	There's a huge difference between not promoting an add-on and locking it out by refusing to sign it.	Apr 11 17:15
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MinceR	i'm no fan of either	Apr 11 17:21
MinceR	also, requiring that all add-ons be signed by mozilla is fucked up	Apr 11 17:22
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/a1zNa5f.gifv ( https://imgur.com/gallery/qRWeDw5 )	Apr 11 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com \| Imgur		Apr 11 18:52
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schestowitz	[16:52] <XRevan86> Wait, Gab?	Apr 11 18:53
schestowitz	mozilla knows a nazi site when it sees one	Apr 11 18:54
schestowitz	I stopped postng in gab	Apr 11 18:54
schestowitz	they also eliminated left-leaning accounts	Apr 11 18:54
XRevan86	Indeed, no wonder Mozilla wanted to keep it away.	Apr 11 18:54
schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/11/06/gab-is-pro-nazis/	Apr 11 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Gab is Not a Site That Tolerates Nazis. It is a Nazi Site That Bans People Who Object to Nazism. It’s a Censorship Site With a Dangerous Agenda.		Apr 11 18:54
XRevan86	But it is a fair point that a user has no choice in this matter.	Apr 11 18:54
schestowitz	mozilla would comes under shaming campaigns if it allowed it	Apr 11 18:55
XRevan86	One needs to install a different version of Firefox to be able to install third-party add-ons.	Apr 11 18:55
schestowitz	imho boils down to this	Apr 11 18:55
schestowitz	when does speech cause violence?	Apr 11 18:55
schestowitz	the things I saw in gab, oh boy...	Apr 11 18:55
schestowitz	got lots of death threats too	Apr 11 18:55
XRevan86	It's also possible that Mozilla will allow signing the add-on without publishing it to AMO.	Apr 11 18:55
schestowitz	calls for genocide are routine there	Apr 11 18:56
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schestowitz	it only became enough of a deal after someone "took action" and butchered people, based on nonsense he read there	Apr 11 18:56
schestowitz	(he had also followed tuxmachines sadly)	Apr 11 18:56
superkuh	XRevan86, that's what happened with the paywall mitigating add-on.	Apr 11 18:56
superkuh	The signing portal is all automated.	Apr 11 18:57
superkuh	So it actually adds no real security.	Apr 11 18:57
superkuh	Just walled garden for walled garden's sake.	Apr 11 18:57
XRevan86	superkuh: Ah, it's automated… Then my bet is that they want an ability to revoke.	Apr 11 18:57
superkuh	Ok. Some security after the fact.	Apr 11 18:58
schestowitz	gab wasn't always this bad	Apr 11 18:59
schestowitz	it crossed the line last year	Apr 11 18:59
superkuh	H. L. Mencken quote is applicable here, "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."	Apr 11 18:59
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schestowitz	every section, even tech, was topped by the Daily Stormer type crap	Apr 11 18:59
schestowitz	gab let it go on	Apr 11 18:59
schestowitz	even their own staff left later	Apr 11 18:59
superkuh	The first people pushed out of gentrifying online areas are usually pretty terrible.	Apr 11 18:59
schestowitz	they then banned literal daily stormer staff	Apr 11 19:00
schestowitz	like weev	Apr 11 19:00
schestowitz	after his pro-hitler and pro-violence crap	Apr 11 19:00
superkuh	I don't care for weev's politic but he was literally sent to prison for wget by the feds and had to gang up.	Apr 11 19:00
schestowitz	andrew's career (troba, now Aurenheimer's) is over	Apr 11 19:01
schestowitz	unless he plans to become some minister in the Trump war/genocide machine	Apr 11 19:01
schestowitz	Torba	Apr 11 19:01
schestowitz	gtg now	Apr 11 19:03
XRevan86	superkuh: That's a way better deal for add-ons than Google Chrome could ever offer.	Apr 11 19:05
XRevan86	It used to be the other way around, but then Google locked the add-ons to the Chrome Store as well.	Apr 11 19:06
XRevan86	except for good	Apr 11 19:06
XRevan86	The Canary build probably allows it, that'd make sense for them.	Apr 11 19:07
XRevan86	I didn't investigate.	Apr 11 19:07
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schestowitz	HAHAHAHA!!!	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	In my mailnpx	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	back from the graveyard	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	novell	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	Dear Dr. Schestowitz:	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	I have been trying to reach you since March 7 regarding an article that you wrote about my client, Ronald Hovsepian. The article is now fairly advanced in age, but it does continue to cause difficulties for Mr. Hovsepian. With this being the case, we are requesting its removal at this time.	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	Please see the original letter (copied in below) that I initially tried to route to your attention via an email address that may not have been ideal for such purpose.	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	I look forward to your response. Thank you for your attention to this matter, and best wishes for now,	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	Steven Seinberg	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	---------- Forwarded message ---------	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	From: Steve Seinberg <steve@seinberglaw.com>	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 4:20 PM	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	Subject: Removal Request re: Ronald Hovsepian	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	To: <wordpress@techrights.org>	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	March 7, 2019	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	VIA ELECTRONIC MAIL	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	Techrights	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	wordpress@techrights.org	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz	Re: Request to Remove Damaging Content	Apr 11 19:27
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	Dear Techrights Editorial Staff:	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	My firm has been retained to represent Mr. Ronald Hovsepian to address his concerns regarding the confusion and damage to his reputation that have been caused due to the following article remaining available on your website:	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2010/03/03/ron-hovsepian-and-novl-bid/	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Ron Hovsepian Receives Another Large Lump of Cash as Novell Sale Looms \| Techrights		Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	As of this writing, nine years have passed since this article was originally published. Mr. Hovsepian left Novell less than a year later. Unfortunately for him, his reputation continues to suffer due to the negative portrayal of who you perceived him to be nearly a decade ago.	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	The image that grafts the lower half of Steve Ballmer’s face onto Mr. Hovsepian’s head is not especially helpful, but in a more significant objection, my client also maintains that contrary to what your piece reports, no SUSE employees had been terminated at the time the article was posted online.	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	While Mr. Hovsepian has of course secured subsequent gainful employment, such as his tenure as President and CEO of Intralinks, your article continues to cause him difficulties in the professional arena.	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	Due to the possibility that potential future business associates, partners, investors, and clients will also see and become influenced by this article, we respectfully request that you remove it from your website.	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	Please feel free to contact me should you wish to discuss this matter. We look forward to your prompt response.	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	Sincerely,	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz		Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	/s/ Steven A. Seinberg	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	Steven A. Seinberg, Esq.	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	Attorney at Law	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	He is wrong. What I wrote was correct. The image is shown next to the original too. Workers were fired. They told me.	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	I've passed this around to free speech people, who will hopefully shred this idiot apart :--)	Apr 11 19:28
schestowitz	journalist told me: "wow, nine years ago..."	Apr 11 19:41
schestowitz	"	Apr 11 19:45
schestowitz	Dear Dr. Schestowitz:	Apr 11 19:45
schestowitz	I sent you the following correspondence earlier today at a different email address, and received an automated reply that advised sending it here for quicker response. The earlier message now follows:	Apr 11 19:45
schestowitz	I have been trying to reach you since March 7 regarding an article that you wrote about my client, Ronald Hovsepian. The article is now fairly advanced in age, but it does continue to cause difficulties for Mr. Hovsepian. With this being the case, we are requesting its removal at this time.	Apr 11 19:45
schestowitz	Please see the original letter (copied in below) that I initially tried to route to your attention via an email address that may not have been ideal for such purpose.	Apr 11 19:45
schestowitz	I look forward to your response. Thank you for your attention to this matter, and best wishes for now,	Apr 11 19:45
schestowitz	"	Apr 11 19:45
schestowitz	wow	Apr 11 19:45
schestowitz	he's really desperate	Apr 11 19:45
schestowitz	sending it to three email accounts today	Apr 11 19:46
schestowitz	for a month	Apr 11 19:46
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19040522	Apr 11 21:25
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19040437	Apr 11 21:30
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oiaohm	https://yro.slashdot.org/story/19/04/11/217224/how-to-stop-amazon-from-listening-to-your-alexa-recordings Another blind faith solution to cloud service issues.	Apr 11 23:52
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schestowitz	Richard Stallman wrote on 12/04/2019 01:01:> As Bruce Perens put it, OIN	Apr 12 01:06
schestowitz	> > exists to protect software patents from us, now us from software	Apr 12 01:06
schestowitz	> > patents.	Apr 12 01:06
schestowitz	>	Apr 12 01:06
schestowitz	> I do not follow that reasoning -- would you please explain?	Apr 12 01:06
schestowitz	I made a typo. It should say "not", not "now".	Apr 12 01:06
schestowitz	just got loads more mail from RMS	Apr 12 01:06
schestowitz	over a dozen the past 24 hours	Apr 12 01:06
schestowitz	he reads us with interest these days	Apr 12 01:06
schestowitz	> > Identifying the tweets would require going to dates of events and trying	Apr 12 01:08
schestowitz	> > to see what was tweeted and when. An enormous task and guesswork. The	Apr 12 01:08
schestowitz	> > brochure, however (shown in full in Techrights), makes is abundantly	Apr 12 01:08
schestowitz	> > clear that LF gets paid by sponsors in exchange for tweets.	Apr 12 01:08
schestowitz	>	Apr 12 01:08
schestowitz	> Can you show me the passage that shows this? (I don't have a copy of	Apr 12 01:08
schestowitz	> the brochure, but if I did, I would not want to have to read it all	Apr 12 01:08
schestowitz	> looking for something that supports this claim.)	Apr 12 01:08
schestowitz	If I sent you a screenshot from it, that might help.	Apr 12 01:08
schestowitz	Attached.	Apr 12 01:08
schestowitz	> You've told me where that quote was posted. Thanks. I will look	Apr 12 01:09
schestowitz	> at that article.	Apr 12 01:09
schestowitz	>	Apr 12 01:09
schestowitz	> Were all the quotes posted together, or were they posted in various	Apr 12 01:09
schestowitz	> places? Were they all posted in a short time, or have they been	Apr 12 01:09
schestowitz	> posted over a period of weeks or months?	Apr 12 01:09
schestowitz	Some were posted days prior. A lot of my sources are core people, who do not wait to be named for fear of reprisal.	Apr 12 01:09
schestowitz	> > Microsoft Paid the Open Source Initiative. Now (a Year Later) Microsoft	Apr 12 01:13
schestowitz	> > is in the Board of the Open Source Initiative.	Apr 12 01:13
schestowitz	> > http://techrights.org/2019/03/24/microsoft-paid-the-open-source-initiativ=	Apr 12 01:13
schestowitz	> > e-now-a-year-later-microsoft-is-in-the-board-of-the-open-source-initiativ=	Apr 12 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft Paid the Open Source Initiative. Now (a Year Later) Microsoft is in the Board of the Open Source Initiative. \| Techrights		Apr 12 01:13
schestowitz	> > e/	Apr 12 01:13
schestowitz	>	Apr 12 01:14
schestowitz	> I will take a look at that article.	Apr 12 01:14
schestowitz	>	Apr 12 01:14
schestowitz	> Is Microsoft in the OSI board, or is some Microsoft employee in the	Apr 12 01:14
schestowitz	> OSI board? I would expect the latter.	Apr 12 01:14
schestowitz	>	Apr 12 01:14
schestowitz	> How was that person chosen? Was it by an vote of the members?	Apr 12 01:14
schestowitz	You are correct regarding both. Vote and employee salaried by Microsoft.	Apr 12 01:14
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19040332	Apr 12 07:09
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schestowitz	MinceR: just what I need on a Ftiday morn at 7am :-)	Apr 12 07:35
MinceR	:)	Apr 12 07:47
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schestowitz	kaniini: rms is reading your message	Apr 12 10:48
schestowitz	which he liked	Apr 12 10:48
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schestowitz	kaniini: about alpine and freedom	Apr 13 01:29
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1116898022296887296	Apr 13 03:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: ...be careful. When #microsoft makes something it calls "open source" it is still spying, it is technically spyware… https://t.co/yx8iJI5unF		Apr 13 03:59
schestowitz	the one where you resign, kaniini	Apr 13 03:59
schestowitz	anyway, I exchange loads of messages with RMS about LF	Apr 13 04:00
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kaniini	oh about WSL	Apr 13 04:05
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schestowitz	kaniini: which is just Windows	Apr 13 04:59
schestowitz	it's not even "Linux"	Apr 13 04:59
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schestowitz	Richard Stallman wrote on 13/04/2019 03:12:> Unless we can accuse Microsoft of somehow rigging or buying the	Apr 13 17:48
schestowitz	> members' vote, we can't blame Microsoft for the election of its	Apr 13 17:48
schestowitz	> employee.	Apr 13 17:48
schestowitz	I agree. I don't know their inner politics well enough to comment on who voted and why.	Apr 13 17:48
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schestowitz	> Can you show me the tweet that was made by per?	Apr 13 17:48
schestowitz	> Did perse sign it or did you dedice it was by per?	Apr 13 17:48
schestowitz	> Before I can criticize this, I need to know the whole	Apr 13 17:48
schestowitz	> structure of the scenario.	Apr 13 17:48
schestowitz	When you say per do you mean Jono Bacon?	Apr 13 17:48
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19040323	Apr 13 20:25
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XRevan86	MinceR: Bloody Hogwarts	Apr 13 21:28
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MinceR	https://babylonbee.com/news/in-response-to-growing-number-of-fistfights-london-mayor-bans-hands	Apr 13 22:08
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/1904035	Apr 14 00:09
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schestowitz	Richard Stallman wrote on 14/04/2019 02:12:> > > As Bruce Perens put it, OIN	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> > > > exists to protect software patents from us, now us from software	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> > > > patents.	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> > >=20	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> > > I do not follow that reasoning -- would you please explain?	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	>	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> > I made a typo. It should say "not", not "now".	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	>	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> I figured it was a typo, and the statement is meaningful.	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	>	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> I still don't see that it is true. Can you tell me the factual	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> basis for seeing things that way?	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	Would you be interested in a list of articles I wrote about OIN and LOT?	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> BTW, you're still using the old key.	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> If my new key is in your key ring,	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> I suggest copying the old one somewhere else	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> and deleting it from your key ring.	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	I thought I had already disabled the old key. I even double-checked. I'm just going to delete it.	Apr 14 08:38
schestowitz	> Torvalds was already self-’suspended’ for a number	Apr 14 08:41
schestowitz	> of weeks; can he still speak about Microsoft the way he used to? It	Apr 14 08:41
schestowitz	> would now be in direct violation of the new CoC.	Apr 14 08:41
schestowitz	>	Apr 14 08:41
schestowitz	> That could be an interesting point for us to push on. What clause in	Apr 14 08:41
schestowitz	> those rules would condemnation of Microsoft violate? Can you show me	Apr 14 08:41
schestowitz	> the text of that clause?	Apr 14 08:41
schestowitz	Last week I read the CoC for LF conferences. I have not yet read the ones which applies to online communications. I will ask around as maybe some techrights members know it.	Apr 14 08:41
schestowitz	kaniini: MinceR oiaohm do you know the CoC?	Apr 14 08:41
schestowitz	what part would criticism of Microsoft be at risk of violating?	Apr 14 08:41
schestowitz	can anyone research this?	Apr 14 08:41
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oiaohm	schestowitz: I guess you mean Code of Conduct.	Apr 14 09:29
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-conduct.html fairly much some relationship to this one. Depending on where the Conference is held there are sometimes expands based on local laws.	Apr 14 09:31
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oiaohm	schestowitz: the LF conference template is here https://events.linuxfoundation.org/code-of-conduct/	Apr 14 09:32
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oiaohm	schestowitz: please note I said template. https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/kubecon-cloudnativecon-europe-2019/attend/code-of-conduct/ each event has their own form of the Code of Conduct like here with any change required by local laws.	Apr 14 09:33
schestowitz	oiaohm: what would criticising a big sponsor be in potetial breach of?	Apr 14 09:34
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schestowitz	for events or mailing lists?	Apr 14 09:34
oiaohm	It would be more way it was done.	Apr 14 09:34
schestowitz	techrights is now researching “sponsored” @linuxfoundation tweets.	Apr 14 09:34
schestowitz	techrights is now researching “sponsored” @linuxfoundation tweets.	Apr 14 09:34
schestowitz	Eventually we wish to show tweets a $company paid $xx,000 for.	Apr 14 09:34
schestowitz	oiaohm: RMS wants to know	Apr 14 09:34
schestowitz	what section etc	Apr 14 09:34
oiaohm	Code of Conduct does not prevent polite criticising of a big sponser.	Apr 14 09:35
schestowitz	before he publicly condemns such things he needs to have all the facts ready in case he's challenged	Apr 14 09:35
schestowitz	he privately called them "corrupt"	Apr 14 09:35
schestowitz	oiaohm: ok, not even indirectly?	Apr 14 09:35
schestowitz	or by means of pretext	Apr 14 09:35
schestowitz	as in, you rejected Intel DRM, so I will call you rape appologist for something you wrote one decade ago?	Apr 14 09:36
schestowitz	(t'so)	Apr 14 09:36
oiaohm	Harassment includes the use of abusive, offensive or degrading language, intimidation, << this section of the code of conduct.	Apr 14 09:37
schestowitz	ah, OK	Apr 14 09:37
schestowitz	like "sucking Microsot's cock"?	Apr 14 09:37
oiaohm	That not polite.	Apr 14 09:37
schestowitz	I think he said deepthroating (Linus)	Apr 14 09:37
oiaohm	Yep sexual base langauge that is in that line as well "Harassment includes the use of abusive, offensive or degrading language, intimidation, stalking, harassing photography or recording, inappropriate physical contact, sexual imagery and unwelcome sexual advances or requests for sexual favors. "	Apr 14 09:38
oiaohm	sexual imagery includes using sexual based language. There are other ways to get your point across.	Apr 14 09:39
schestowitz	yeah, that's for events	Apr 14 09:40
schestowitz	I saw that last week	Apr 14 09:40
oiaohm	Basically everything has to be G rated.	Apr 14 09:40
schestowitz	So I guess if applicable to mailing lists, Linus may have run afoul	Apr 14 09:40
schestowitz	thanks	Apr 14 09:41
oiaohm	Yes Linus did run foul of it.	Apr 14 09:41
oiaohm	Not the Code of conduct.	Apr 14 09:41
oiaohm	Linus ran foul of countries laws.	Apr 14 09:41
oiaohm	Basically obey the Code of conduct prevents ending up possible facing court.	Apr 14 09:42
oiaohm	So having to deal your way out.	Apr 14 09:42
oiaohm	Basically how Linus got him self out of that hell was agreeing to put the Code of Conduct on the Linux kernel.	Apr 14 09:42
schestowitz	I see.	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	OK, I responded again to him:	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	Richard Stallman wrote on 14/04/2019 02:13:> I looked at http://techrights.org/2019/04/03/microsoft-speaking-for-osi/	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	> but I did not recognize in it anything that talks about Microsoft and OSI	Apr 14 09:43
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schestowitz	> except this:	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	>	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	> [Ed: OSI Web site now composed by	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	> Microsoft staff, salaried by Microsoft. Not good. In	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	> Microsoft-composed blog posts OSI now links to Microsoft GiHhub and	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	> [160]a project Microsoft is connected to. Had OSI not received	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	> money from Microsoft, maybe it would not happen.]	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	>	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	> but that gives me no details to cite.	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	>	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	> I would really like to see the details so that I could talk about	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	> this.	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	One person quoted: " "Harassment includes the use of abusive, offensive or degrading language, intimidation, stalking, harassing photography or recording, inappropriate physical contact, sexual imagery and unwelcome sexual advances or requests for sexual favors."	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	From the CoC.	Apr 14 09:43
schestowitz	Linus Torvalds used sexual language when opposing Microsoft's UEFI 'secure boot' effort. Also NVIDIA and others.	Apr 14 09:43
oiaohm	But that would not be allowed today.	Apr 14 09:44
schestowitz	right	Apr 14 09:44
schestowitz	it would decrease impact of rants	Apr 14 09:44
schestowitz	and he put himself in the 'penalty box'	Apr 14 09:44
schestowitz	willfully	Apr 14 09:44
schestowitz	I heard RMS had something things done to him	Apr 14 09:44
schestowitz	but unable to confirm yet	Apr 14 09:44
oiaohm	Linux giving Nvidia the finger was allowed while we were still using what was called the code of conflict . That rule turns out not to be inside USA/Australia or Uk laws.	Apr 14 09:45
oiaohm	Opps not Linux there Linus.	Apr 14 09:45
oiaohm	Legal political correctness with anti discrimination and anti harassment basically caught up with the Linux world.	Apr 14 09:46
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.17/process/code-of-conflict.html this is the old code of conflict. As long as it either directed at a company not a person or was because you code was crap the old code of conflict would not kick in.	Apr 14 09:48
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oiaohm	schestowitz: by law that split does not exist as a company is a entity in it own right with basically the same rights as anyone else. And by law you are not allowed to make judgements when abuse is acceptable.	Apr 14 09:49
schestowitz	> Ok, this article?	Apr 14 09:49
schestowitz	>	Apr 14 09:49
schestowitz	> http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/	Apr 14 09:50
schestowitz	>	Apr 14 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft \| Techrights		Apr 14 09:50
schestowitz	> And the event would be the Open Source Summit from September 11 – 13,	Apr 14 09:50
schestowitz	> 2017 in Los Angeles, California?	Apr 14 09:50
schestowitz	>	Apr 14 09:50
schestowitz	> Or the August 29-31, 2018 on in Vancouver, Canada?	Apr 14 09:50
schestowitz	I think 2017. The site might say which sponsor was which. bacon does not tweet as much as me, so seeing 'puff' tweets from the time might be easy.	Apr 14 09:50
schestowitz	oiaohm: thanks	Apr 14 09:50
schestowitz	so I responded to RMS	Apr 14 09:50
schestowitz	Now the challenge is finding the paid tweets	Apr 14 09:51
schestowitz	We know these were made over the years	Apr 14 09:51
schestowitz	but we don't know which ones	Apr 14 09:51
oiaohm	Please note if bacon is doing ", painting them as impolite, “toxic”, “racist”, “sexist” and so on." this is technically a breach of the CoC as well. Remember what I said about being polite you have those issues you are meant to report to those running the CoC for them to deal with.	Apr 14 09:53
oiaohm	There are a lot of parties who over time should be told to pull their head in by the CoC.	Apr 14 09:54
oiaohm	Or not come to the events.	Apr 14 09:54
oiaohm	schestowitz: The current CoC anti-harassment is very broad. Accusing people of stuff is something that it does not allow unless it facts.	Apr 14 09:55
oiaohm	If you look up most countries anti deformation laws you will find this is legally the case.	Apr 14 09:56
oiaohm	So the CoC is attempting to protect everyone from legal hell.	Apr 14 09:56
oiaohm	The wild west of software development ending with shock to the system of a lot of people.	Apr 14 09:57
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schestowitz	https://mobile.twitter.com/jonobacon?max_id=910594413365219327	Apr 14 10:23
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schestowitz	Former Ubuntu community chief does not even use #gnu #linux	Apr 14 10:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/1105536165619228672	Apr 14 10:26
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rianne_	https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/julian-assange-extradition-us-wikileaks-google-slavoj-zizek-a8866741.html	Apr 14 10:35
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/1117359034485682176	Apr 14 10:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz I thought he was an idiot when I met him many years ago. I was told quite clearly that I was going to… https://t.co/AuMRTN44EQ		Apr 14 10:38
schestowitz	"I thought he was an idiot when I met him many years ago. I was told quite clearly that I was going to be the community manager. Very glad I didn't get the job. I was knifed in the back."	Apr 14 10:38
schestowitz	^^ Bacon	Apr 14 10:38
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XRevan86	schestowitz: https://social.privacytools.io/users/Cloudflare/following 372 subscriptions	Apr 14 11:11
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XRevan86	oops, wrong URL	Apr 14 11:12
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schestowitz	XRevan86: did they add more since then?	Apr 14 11:13
schestowitz	or multiple accounts on the fediverse?	Apr 14 11:13
XRevan86	schestowitz: Did you check there or at https://pleroma.site/users/9hlBBTHpsQQo0YcTXU ?	Apr 14 11:14
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XRevan86	(local representation of the same account)	Apr 14 11:14
XRevan86	The local representation shows 4 subscriptions	Apr 14 11:14
XRevan86	So it's 4 subscriptions of Cloudflare at pleroma.site.	Apr 14 11:14
XRevan86	https://pleroma.site/notice/9hnLnASHjBQKSu2a24 replied there :)	Apr 14 11:18
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schestowitz	I see	Apr 14 11:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/stony225/status/1117375268728070144	Apr 14 11:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stony225: @schestowitz Empty buildings and empty promises.		Apr 14 11:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1117388796876808192	Apr 14 12:38
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XRevan86	https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/da#Etymology_2 English is an amazing tongue, da.	Apr 14 19:45
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Zorix	the things i have been reading about linux foundation have been concerning	Apr 14 19:46
MinceR	muda da!	Apr 14 19:47
XRevan86	https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/muda#English "A form of waste, or deviation from optimal allocation of resources, that occurs when work is performed that does not add value for the customer."	Apr 14 19:48
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XRevan86	MinceR: so-da-na	Apr 14 19:48
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XRevan86	MinceR: neko ña?	Apr 14 19:51
XRevan86	MinceR: It's actually concerning that the cat found something edible on a screen.	Apr 14 19:52
MinceR	https://hugelol.com/lol/596591	Apr 14 20:02
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XRevan86	MinceR: They should've picked something less basic than water.	Apr 14 20:03
XRevan86	MinceR: Water literally cannot not exist, unless the universe doesn't exist either (and a dystopia has to be placed somewhere)	Apr 14 20:04
MinceR	it can	Apr 14 20:05
MinceR	for example, if all the oxygen nuclei decomposed	Apr 14 20:05
MinceR	or were fused	Apr 14 20:05
MinceR	also, the article would claim it's no longer present on earth	Apr 14 20:06
XRevan86	MinceR: And then some black hole pukes out some random matter, it organises and forms into oxygen	Apr 14 20:06
kaniini	schestowitz: as far as i know, criticism of microsoft itself is acceptable, as long as individual microsoft employees are not attacked	Apr 14 20:06
kaniini	for example	Apr 14 20:06
MinceR	that would happen later	Apr 14 20:06
MinceR	unless of course all black holes already evaporated	Apr 14 20:06
XRevan86	MinceR: Then the article should be "Water on Earth" :)	Apr 14 20:06
kaniini	"Microsoft harasses other Linux ecosystem participants with software patent litigation." is fine	Apr 14 20:06
MinceR	i'm sure the crybullies at microsoft will reframe it as an attack on particular people	Apr 14 20:06
MinceR	just as viktor orban reframes all criticism of how he fuck up hungary as an attack against "the hungarian people"	Apr 14 20:07
kaniini	"$person is bad because they work for Microsoft, who attack other participants with software patent litigation." is not	Apr 14 20:07
XRevan86	MinceR: It's just that water is a simple molecule, even if you decompose every single one, it'll still exist as an idea.	Apr 14 20:07
MinceR	XRevan86: hence the article on it :>	Apr 14 20:07
XRevan86	Because the universe with our laws of physics can hold water, hence it's always relevant in the present tense	Apr 14 20:08
MinceR	s/ck/cked/	Apr 14 20:09
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