Join us now at the IRC channel.
| MinceR | 13 181138 <+DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, the exfat patents aren't part of the OIN thing. | Jul 14 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| MinceR | what a surprise | Jul 14 00:02 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man aindilis amarsh04 Firre__ | Jul 14 00:02 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to x003n | Jul 14 00:02 | |
| <--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) | Jul 14 01:12 | |
| oiaohm | https://appuals.com/microsoft-discreetly-drops-telemetry-as-part-of-larger-security-cumulative-update-without-first-informing-windows-7-users/ << this is we got spotted now we are trying to hide the evidence. | Jul 14 01:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Discreetly Drops ‘Telemetry’ As Part Of Larger ‘Security Cumulative Update’ Without First Informing Windows 7 Users? - Appuals.com | Jul 14 01:22 | |
| scientes | oiaohm, nice | Jul 14 01:32 |
| scientes | another reason why I am still pissed they dropped windows xp | Jul 14 01:32 |
| scientes | windows xp actually works half-decent | Jul 14 01:32 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19061142 | Jul 14 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 14 01:46 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19061026 | Jul 14 01:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 14 01:58 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even Windows 7 _wasn't_ too bad. | Jul 14 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was this Windows 8/10 crap that made Windows extremely unstable and hard to use again. | Jul 14 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft tried to explain away the whole Vista disaster by blaming PC OEMs that didn't have proper drivers. | Jul 14 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that didn't explain the performance issue and stuff. | Jul 14 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not having Vista drivers and relying on older driver models was certainly _part_ of the problem, but not the majority of it. | Jul 14 02:54 |
| MinceR | the whole vista7 hype campaign worked out way too well | Jul 14 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I used it for a while and it was pretty stable. | Jul 14 03:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Definitely performed better than Vista. | Jul 14 03:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I understand they ruined it. | Jul 14 03:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Can't sell the new product if the old one keeps working properly forever. | Jul 14 03:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turnover in PC sales isn't enough to keep their revenue going anymore. | Jul 14 03:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they decided to do Windows 10 as a "service". | Jul 14 03:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But as time goes on, they're packing it full of ads and spyware like a Thanksgiving turkey. | Jul 14 03:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And removing features that worked before and charging people to get them back. | Jul 14 03:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's fairly clear that this is a slow burn way of peeling back Windows 10 to a "core" version that doesn't do very much. | Jul 14 03:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was supposed to be Windows 10 S, but people didn't like it. | Jul 14 03:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 S is more like a broken placeholder designed to get you to pay Microsoft $100 directly _after_ you get your $1,000 laptop home and unboxed. | Jul 14 03:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then the only thing that changes is that the Software Licensing system removes some restrictions. The entire OS is there. You just have to pay to get at stuff that's already there. | Jul 14 03:08 |
| MinceR | i used vista7 for a while as well and it was a downgrade from xp | Jul 14 03:12 |
| MinceR | e.g. they broke OpenSSH for no reason | Jul 14 03:13 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: People of openSUSE: Sébastien Poher http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125870 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4d4f8daf-5a8d-4eb5-87c1-54dd9bc2d27d] | Jul 14 03:41 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125871 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e65a8664-6503-4ad2-9139-1c3be8d80e8a] | Jul 14 03:46 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Dota Underlords and DXVK 1.3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125872 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c5b2af1f-f41a-4cef-8d2a-2f00e0242db4] | Jul 14 03:49 | |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions#Comparison_chart It get fun with MS versions . Like how Pro Education has less features than Education | Jul 14 03:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Windows 10 editions - Wikipedia | Jul 14 03:52 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 13 Free Open-source Content Management Systems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125873 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7de9c70e-86bb-42cb-b86a-cd884c0eeefc] | Jul 14 04:57 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Valve's Work and Weston 7.0 Release Schedule http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125874 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f311f614-4fa9-4224-b26e-0eea510f4c22] | Jul 14 05:09 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: education? Windows? | Jul 14 05:09 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Cloudera's New Strategy http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125875 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d2656a95-d003-42f8-827c-7da4f6a3cce6] | Jul 14 05:24 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: its a version name. | Jul 14 05:49 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125876 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c6c1b2d1-6a68-456b-8818-1efdcd467a54] | Jul 14 06:10 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GitHub is Microsoft's Proprietary Software and Centralised (Monopoly) Platform, But When Canonical's Account There Gets Compromised Suddenly It's Ubuntu's Fault? http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/f5b73bdc-8747-4120-b748-bfcff9c3913f] | Jul 14 06:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: OpenHMD 0.3.0, GNU C Library and Python http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125877 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2bd5c425-acbb-497d-a268-c670ecee186a] | Jul 14 06:55 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125878 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f9b05c61-0c2a-4766-98f6-aa21482aa1c6] | Jul 14 06:58 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125879 [https://pleroma.site/objects/596e375d-bd44-4e3a-8b3b-05666cb1fb60] | Jul 14 07:00 | |
| -->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 14 07:15 | |
| <--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) | Jul 14 08:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Mint 19.2 Beta Cinnamon http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125880 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dc5ff804-c3d2-4d61-965d-4830ae57745a] | Jul 14 08:46 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Usability & Productivity: Week 79 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125881 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cbcbe5dd-75a2-4cac-bb06-49cfc23c8a9d] | Jul 14 08:55 | |
| <--x003n has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | Jul 14 10:00 | |
| <--amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 14 10:09 | |
| -->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-229-237.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 14 10:16 | |
| <--amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 14 11:31 | |
| -->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-229-237.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 14 11:33 | |
| -->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 14 12:54 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: With #WSL #Microsoft is Doing to GNU/Linux What It Did to #Netscape http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/wsl-and-netscape/ #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/8d52759d-bb82-4c09-ad9d-ad3a843fbb06] | Jul 14 12:55 | |
| schestowitz | kaniini: is there pleroma maintenance at the moment? There might be an issue somewhere... | Jul 14 13:07 |
| kaniini | no issue | Jul 14 13:07 |
| schestowitz | 2 things I noticed | Jul 14 13:07 |
| schestowitz | 1) timed out when trying to upload an image | Jul 14 13:07 |
| schestowitz | (I tried twice) | Jul 14 13:07 |
| schestowitz | 2) the viera bot did not pick updates, since about 5-10 mins ago | Jul 14 13:08 |
| schestowitz | (just trying to mention symptoms in case it might be indicative of a broader issue) | Jul 14 13:08 |
| kaniini | i think there are some general network issues right now | Jul 14 13:09 |
| schestowitz | ok. makes sense, at least you are aware | Jul 14 13:10 |
| schestowitz | OK, now I can upload an image | Jul 14 13:11 |
| schestowitz | "Error: {}" when I pressed submit, so yes, it looks like random and network-related | Jul 14 13:11 |
| kaniini | yeah | Jul 14 13:12 |
| kaniini | i restarted pleroma to disable an experimental feature | Jul 14 13:12 |
| schestowitz | now viera picked it up, second time I pressed submit | Jul 14 13:12 |
| kaniini | but unrelated :) | Jul 14 13:12 |
| schestowitz | ok | Jul 14 13:12 |
| schestowitz | someone asked me about pleroma this morning | Jul 14 13:12 |
| kaniini | oh | Jul 14 13:12 |
| kaniini | we are being ddosed | Jul 14 13:12 |
| kaniini | lul | Jul 14 13:12 |
| schestowitz | (why not Mastodon etc.) | Jul 14 13:12 |
| kaniini | god these kiwifarms fuckwits can't even ddos something correctly | Jul 14 13:19 |
| kaniini | how pathetic | Jul 14 13:19 |
| schestowitz | been a long while since our sites got ddosed | Jul 14 13:19 |
| schestowitz | i think it has not happened really since we migrated to your company's server | Jul 14 13:20 |
| schestowitz | (not that i'm asking for ddos opportunists to have a go :-) ) | Jul 14 13:20 |
| kaniini | well | Jul 14 13:21 |
| kaniini | i already block basically as much traffic as possible to your server | Jul 14 13:21 |
| kaniini | because i figure people ddos it :) | Jul 14 13:21 |
| schestowitz | oh, good :-) | Jul 14 13:22 |
| schestowitz | we did security auditing today | Jul 14 13:22 |
| kaniini | lol NTP reflection attack | Jul 14 13:22 |
| kaniini | get the fuck out of here my man | Jul 14 13:22 |
| schestowitz | no incidents, just always checking things | Jul 14 13:22 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: published 2 mins ago: http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/25500-blog-posts-and-pages/ | Jul 14 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 25,500 Blog Posts and Pages | Techrights | Jul 14 13:23 | |
| schestowitz | gotta dash, not left the house since Friday, so... | Jul 14 13:23 |
| kaniini | ok | Jul 14 13:24 |
| kaniini | mitigation complete yet again | Jul 14 13:28 |
| <--cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) | Jul 14 13:35 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man amarsh04 | Jul 14 14:22 | |
| MinceR | 14 060953 <+schestowitz> oiaohm: education? Windows? | Jul 14 14:23 |
| MinceR | indoctrination | Jul 14 14:23 |
| MinceR | get them early | Jul 14 14:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions#Comparison_chart Look ath the version names. | Jul 14 14:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Windows 10 editions - Wikipedia | Jul 14 14:24 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ath the | Jul 14 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Nothing like making sure your branding lines up to make orders like mistake. | Jul 14 14:26 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19061010 | Jul 14 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 14 14:31 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19060963 | Jul 14 14:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 14 14:41 | |
| *XRevan86 found another instance where ldavg is blocked. Eh, the emotional impact is minimal now. | Jul 14 15:05 | |
| XRevan86 | Of course, no one explains anything, even tried to contact me or discuss anything. | Jul 14 15:18 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Ribbiting Saga, Electronic Super Joy 2, RPCS3 and Unreal Engine 4.23 Preview http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125882 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a3f51de4-5d74-42fe-ab76-48f1be53fd0b] | Jul 14 15:21 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.2.1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125883 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ed8415b2-5813-4705-9d75-e4816698e522] | Jul 14 15:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos and programming bits http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125884 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8f05b462-8a62-4657-a407-67114cef5f21] | Jul 14 15:35 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Lightweight i3 developer desktop with OSTree and chroots http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125885 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f11530dd-ab3b-4b25-8f17-5766ec479d5f] | Jul 14 15:42 | |
| -->cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights | Jul 14 15:53 | |
| XRevan86 | On a positive note, I've found out what in MariaDB ate RAM: thread cache. | Jul 14 16:12 |
| XRevan86 | From their documentation, it's supposed to consume next to nothing. | Jul 14 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/mariadb-memory-allocation/#thread_cache_size | Jul 14 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MariaDB Memory Allocation - MariaDB Knowledge Base | Jul 14 16:13 | |
| XRevan86 | I haven't contacted them about that yet. | Jul 14 16:14 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Hardware/Modding: Fuchsia OS, ODROID, RISC-V Foundation, and SHAOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125886 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f47c0758-2b22-42bf-9aaa-a9f0a3a16268] | Jul 14 16:18 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125887 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2e491e8e-517a-4127-aed3-072913dacd9b] | Jul 14 16:21 | |
| -->decnet (~decnet@gateway/tor-sasl/decnet) has joined #techrights | Jul 14 16:22 | |
| decnet | Hi all .. | Jul 14 16:24 |
| schestowitz | hi | Jul 14 16:49 |
| decnet | We meet al last Mr. Anderson .. | Jul 14 16:49 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FreeBSD 12 Runs Refreshingly Easy On AMD Ryzen 9 3900X - Benchmarks Against Ubuntu 18.04 LTS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125888 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c70e69ab-f646-4109-a269-05f90c19805c] | Jul 14 16:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Feren OS July 2019 Snapshot has been released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125889 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f7e9f095-f260-4fdd-9642-e4dc8bd10680] | Jul 14 16:55 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to decnet cubexyz | Jul 14 17:00 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Leftovers: Podcasts, Fedora to Stop Providing i686 Kernels, Debian Video and Talk, Open Data and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125890 [https://pleroma.site/objects/81d4fb85-2f82-444d-ac54-71d84cedc062] | Jul 14 17:03 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 14/7/2019: Linux 5.2.1, Unreal Engine 4.23 Preview, Linux Mint 19.2 Beta http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/linux-5-2-1/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/f7c056cf-26e6-476a-8ef0-e9fa0c8f04f4] | Jul 14 17:16 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/31/8f32b2e6da8d15a3.jpg | Jul 14 17:27 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125891 [https://pleroma.site/objects/06132cd6-c23e-4c09-9de2-aa4f51b01b5d] | Jul 14 18:17 | |
| decnet | New York Blackout: caused by insufficient investment in infrastructure with no reserve generators. But you won't read that in the news. | Jul 14 18:21 |
| decnet | What states have deregulated power? | Jul 14 18:24 |
| decnet | https://www.electricchoice.com/map-deregulated-energy-markets/ | Jul 14 18:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.electricchoice.com | Map of Deregulated Energy Markets (Updated 2018) – Electric Choice | Jul 14 18:24 | |
| schestowitz | wow | Jul 14 18:28 |
| schestowitz | even ny eroding | Jul 14 18:28 |
| schestowitz | the last place they would want to defund while investing in war | Jul 14 18:29 |
| schestowitz | that's where wall street is | Jul 14 18:29 |
| decnet | They also took-out the independent power to the Subway and ran it from the mains - to save money :] | Jul 14 18:30 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Microsoft's WSL is Designed to Weaken GNU/Linux (on the Desktop/Laptop) and Strengthen Vista 10 http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/wsl-is-just-vista-10/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/5e573596-7521-4e2b-8263-233d584c0f9c] | Jul 14 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | ouch | Jul 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | makes london sound so much more advanced | Jul 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | no mass shootings either | Jul 14 18:41 |
| schestowitz | just some acid and knives, usually in particular areas | Jul 14 18:41 |
| decnet | Advanced: depends on what area, some look like a metropolis, other parts look like old Baghdad :] | Jul 14 18:44 |
| decnet | It's ironic that the investors invested so much in Power Gen (lowest bidder out-sourced maintenance) that the blackout took out Wall-Street. | Jul 14 18:46 |
| schestowitz | London is expensive | Jul 14 18:46 |
| schestowitz | unless you don't need to live anywhere, just buy food | Jul 14 18:47 |
| decnet | In the future it'll be ten feet underwater, just like Venice. | Jul 14 18:48 |
| schestowitz | good time to learn swimming | Jul 14 19:00 |
| decnet | Haa .. Great quote in that article re WSL : “Don’t encourage new, cross-platform Java classes, especially don’t help get great Win 32 implementations written/deployed. [...] Do encourage fragmentation of the Java classlib space.” | Jul 14 19:02 |
| schestowitz | classic one | Jul 14 19:02 |
| schestowitz | i have more | Jul 14 19:02 |
| schestowitz | wait till next article | Jul 14 19:02 |
| schestowitz | incoming | Jul 14 19:03 |
| decnet | Yea, I know they're from the Comes v MS court case .. | Jul 14 19:03 |
| decnet | S I take it you don't think MS has come to the Light? | Jul 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/sociopathy-incompetence-and-intolerance/ | Jul 14 19:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft, in Its Own Words… | Techrights | Jul 14 19:04 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has come to PR agencies | Jul 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | more of them | Jul 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | and bribes to Linux reps | Jul 14 19:05 |
| decnet | bribes == 'advertising revenue' :] | Jul 14 19:06 |
| schestowitz | that too | Jul 14 19:06 |
| schestowitz | ads are about passing money | Jul 14 19:06 |
| schestowitz | esp. to publishers | Jul 14 19:06 |
| schestowitz | "iI buy ads for your platform, so make sure 'your guys' write nice articles about is..." | Jul 14 19:06 |
| decnet | Yea, that's it exactly ! | Jul 14 19:07 |
| decnet | Or stop critical comments, by shadow-banning or leaving the comments in the 'moderation queue' for days. | Jul 14 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, the Microsoft Java VM was written to make it easy to port from platform-neutral Java to Windows-only apps, and they got sued and lost and had to take it out of Windows. | Jul 14 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At the time, Java VMs were rather slow and resource hungry. | Jul 14 19:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think I installed the MSJVM to run MSN Chat. | Jul 14 19:11 |
| decnet | Seven MICROS~1 articles on the front-page of the Register, have these people no shame https://www.theregister.co.uk/ | Jul 14 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | The Register: Sci/Tech News for the World | Jul 14 19:13 | |
| decnet | Exercise: Write an article on security without mentioning Windows. | Jul 14 19:16 |
| decnet | "The main causes of downtime remain prosaic, but cyber incidents are growing too." | Jul 14 19:16 |
| decnet | https://www.zdnet.com/article/cybersecurity-broken-hardware-behind-many-outages-but-ransomware-threat-increases/ | Jul 14 19:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-One issue is probably to blame for your IT outages and data losses - and it's not hackers | ZDNet | Jul 14 19:17 | |
| decnet | Microsoft Office 365: Banned in German schools over privacy fears | Jul 14 19:26 |
| decnet | Hesse: if data is sent to Microsoft in the US, it is subject to US mass-surveillance laws. This is illegal under EU law." | Jul 14 19:26 |
| decnet | Microsoft: "We're thankful the [Hesse] commissioner raised these concerns and we look forward working with [them] to better understand their concerns." | Jul 14 19:26 |
| decnet | https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-office-365-banned-in-german-schools-over-privacy-fears/ | Jul 14 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Office 365: Banned in German schools over privacy fears | ZDNet | Jul 14 19:26 | |
| decnet | translation: 'thankful' == couldn't give a toss, 'better understand their concerns' == couldn't give a further toss :] | Jul 14 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | maybe a bribe? %) | Jul 14 19:29 |
| decnet | or a research study ? | Jul 14 19:30 |
| decnet | Or create an 'Open Office 365 Rights Management Council' with Max Schrems in the chair, at a good salary? | Jul 14 19:33 |
| decnet | I am outta here, be back tomorrow night at about 19:00 hours .. | Jul 14 19:34 |
| <--decnet has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Jul 14 19:38 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125892 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f64c795d-0220-4493-a345-254a9a87ef4d] | Jul 14 19:42 | |
| -->x003n (~n@ip24-254-83-207.sb.sd.cox.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 14 19:50 | |
| schestowitz | [19:13] <decnet> Seven MICROS~1 articles on the front-page of the Register, have these people no shame https://www.theregister.co.uk/ | Jul 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | typical | Jul 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | and look who covers Linux fior them | Jul 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | the same people who promote Windows and Microsoft | Jul 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Tim Anderson ad Richard Speed | Jul 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Simon Sharwood left | Jul 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | I saw him on CRN the other week | Jul 14 20:09 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to x003n | Jul 14 20:14 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/27/2f8df9bb70d964a2.jpg | Jul 14 20:31 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/27/2b3760fd594784f6.jpg | Jul 14 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Did they? | Jul 14 20:44 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jul 14 20:45 |
| MinceR | i know that abrahamic religion's scripture does contain some naive bullshit about interest being evil | Jul 14 20:45 |
| MinceR | but it's possible that some jews found their way around that | Jul 14 20:45 |
| XRevan86 | Let's just say Jews (nationality) are common amongst people of power in Russia, too. | Jul 14 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | but being forced to work with money… that I haven't heard about | Jul 14 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | But I'm not very literate in the history of Jews in Russia, even though that history is pretty tragic. | Jul 14 20:48 |
| MinceR | muslims certainly found their way around those rules, but it's more trouble | Jul 14 20:49 |
| MinceR | do you know of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast? :> | Jul 14 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Deportation is fun | Jul 14 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And about the Pale of Settlement | Jul 14 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | Notably today in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast' Jews (nationality, yes) are a minority. | Jul 14 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Flag_of_the_Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast.svg cute flag | Jul 14 20:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 14 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | I forgot about that :) | Jul 14 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast an article | Jul 14 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Flag of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia | Jul 14 20:54 | |
| XRevan86 | > The number of colours is meant to symbolise the seven-branched Jewish Menorah. | Jul 14 20:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 14 20:56 |
| MinceR | it reminds me more of the Sinclair ZX Spectrum | Jul 14 20:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Only 4 colours. | Jul 14 20:57 |
| schestowitz | looks like gat flag | Jul 14 21:32 |
| schestowitz | gay | Jul 14 21:32 |
| schestowitz | which "tribe" was the "cis"? | Jul 14 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The who? | Jul 14 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It does? %) | Jul 14 21:36 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top 10 Best Typing Tutor Software for Linux to Increase Your Typing Skill http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125893 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d23e0b81-cb4b-4607-833e-91697b52135a] | Jul 14 21:36 | |
| schestowitz | rainbows and prisms are now associate with non-straight groups | Jul 14 21:37 |
| schestowitz | all of them | Jul 14 21:37 |
| schestowitz | so any time a company uses these the association is this | Jul 14 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It was just mild sarcasm :) | Jul 14 21:39 |
| MinceR | chromatic aberration is sexual aberration | Jul 14 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | Has anyone ever seen a female leprechaun? | Jul 14 21:41 |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/AwwwwCats/status/1150480513402068994 | Jul 14 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AwwwwCats: She made a friend https://t.co/yPXfofle7p | Jul 14 21:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AwwwwCats: She made a friend https://t.co/yPXfofle7p | Jul 14 21:47 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/27/4be730b70db04de3.jpg | Jul 14 21:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Typical cat behaviour. | Jul 14 22:12 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/27/82bf1b7ecdb438f1.png | Jul 14 22:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's not so fun when a cat has long claws | Jul 14 22:14 |
| XRevan86 | Then it's painfully cute (: | Jul 14 22:14 |
| MinceR | :3 | Jul 14 22:15 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/31/8c18efe466b949a5.mp4 | Jul 14 22:32 |
| <--Firre__ has quit (Quit: lolmoi) | Jul 14 22:34 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/hTneiWU.mp4 | Jul 14 22:53 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/uSwCguW.jpg | Jul 14 23:06 |
| <--kaniini has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 210 seconds.) | Jul 14 23:23 | |
| -->kaniini (~kaniini@172.93.5.42) has joined #techrights | Jul 14 23:30 | |
| <--oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Jul 14 23:48 | |
| -->oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights | Jul 14 23:48 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to oiaohm kaniini | Jul 15 00:34 | |
| <--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | Jul 15 02:14 | |
| <--kushal has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jul 15 02:39 | |
| -->kushal (~hopless@fedora/kushal) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 02:40 | |
| <--libertybox has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) | Jul 15 03:18 | |
| -->libertybox (~schestowi@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 03:19 | |
| <--acer-box has quit (Quit: Konversation term) | Jul 15 03:19 | |
| -->acer-box (~acer-box@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 03:19 | |
| <--acer-box has quit (Changing host) | Jul 15 03:19 | |
| -->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 03:19 | |
| <--amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 15 03:20 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best free email program for Windows, Mac and Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125894 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8db6eb30-937f-4ff3-af52-803e68d2c242] | Jul 15 03:26 | |
| -->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-229-237.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 03:26 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: Debian 10 "Buster" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125895 [https://pleroma.site/objects/aa199614-e74d-4f17-8036-08d8e0685a35] | Jul 15 03:36 | |
| <--kushal has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.3 - https://znc.in) | Jul 15 03:47 | |
| -->kushal (~hopless@fedora/kushal) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 03:48 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CHIPS Alliance Brings Powerful Players into Open Source Hardware Collaboration http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125896 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bb944cc1-614f-4a9d-a119-47e68a40e0ce] | Jul 15 04:14 | |
| -->MinceR_ (~mincer@unaffiliated/mincer) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 04:20 | |
| <--MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) | Jul 15 04:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Blockchains and FOSShttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125897 [https://pleroma.site/objects/85c71c78-1c7e-4725-8181-d8fdf3ca574d] | Jul 15 04:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125898 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bb54be57-ee08-4856-8bf6-d044e3000481] | Jul 15 04:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Openwashing of Facebook Surveillance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125899 [https://pleroma.site/objects/981b3c99-ceb0-4a40-a852-6f57575ec7ff] | Jul 15 05:43 | |
| <--amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 15 06:14 | |
| -->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-229-237.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 06:21 | |
| -->pav5088 (~pav5088@n175-36-93-250.mrk2.qld.optusnet.com.au) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 06:26 | |
| ---MinceR_ is now known as MinceR | Jul 15 06:46 | |
| ---ChanServ gives channel operator status to MinceR | Jul 15 06:46 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to kushal pav5088 amarsh04 libertybox | Jul 15 06:46 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to acer-box | Jul 15 06:46 | |
| <--siel has quit (*.net *.split) | Jul 15 07:50 | |
| <--Lirion has quit (*.net *.split) | Jul 15 07:50 | |
| -->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 07:55 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19060928 | Jul 15 08:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 15 08:14 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man | Jul 15 08:14 | |
| -->Lirion (~m00se@wikimedia-commons/Lirion) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 08:16 | |
| ---card.freenode.net gives voice to Lirion | Jul 15 08:16 | |
| -->siel (~siel@unaffiliated/motley) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 08:16 | |
| ---card.freenode.net gives voice to siel | Jul 15 08:16 | |
| <--acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jul 15 08:42 | |
| <--libertybox has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Jul 15 08:42 | |
| -->libertybox (~schestowi@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 08:43 | |
| -->acer-box (~acer-box@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 08:43 | |
| <--acer-box has quit (Changing host) | Jul 15 08:43 | |
| -->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 08:43 | |
| <--libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) | Jul 15 08:47 | |
| <--acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) | Jul 15 08:47 | |
| -->libertybox (~schestowi@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 08:58 | |
| -->acer-box (~acer-box@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 08:58 | |
| <--acer-box has quit (Changing host) | Jul 15 08:58 | |
| -->acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 08:58 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: todays howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125900 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6fbedeff-52b0-458d-b3ac-1e15dafac516] | Jul 15 09:05 | |
| -->libertybox_ (~schestowi@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 09:05 | |
| -->Firre__ (~Firee@91-156-160-3.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 09:07 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: C++, Python, Rust and DocKnot http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125902 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e0c2d43e-9b7f-45ca-898a-fb0057443508] | Jul 15 09:22 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125904 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8e919c03-b546-4a43-97c4-658f8e87d92d] | Jul 15 09:24 | |
| <--Lirion has quit (*.net *.split) | Jul 15 09:26 | |
| <--siel has quit (*.net *.split) | Jul 15 09:27 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: KDE and GNOME Applications, Proprietary Sodrwaee http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125905 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0b4c5408-b2d3-4679-a66f-56f958daf5e5] | Jul 15 09:28 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel, LF and Graphics http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125906 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9af3cb8b-6e38-4b76-adc2-e7baa305d9c9] | Jul 15 09:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125907 [https://pleroma.site/objects/60cc3cdb-3697-4af8-ace1-310170bd0976] | Jul 15 09:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125907 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a172249f-8f13-498c-9bca-14857057e588] | Jul 15 09:33 | |
| -->siel (~siel@unaffiliated/motley) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 09:36 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 15/7/2019: Vulkan 1.1.115 and Facebook Openwashing http://techrights.org/2019/07/15/facebook-openwashing/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/5d0fad24-3ec1-4bc6-8198-200a87cdb2fc] | Jul 15 09:38 | |
| -->Lirion (~m00se@wikimedia-commons/Lirion) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 09:38 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125903 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3eb79ac9-b17f-4857-b06f-7329b10c81c8] | Jul 15 09:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What is POSIX? Richard Stallman explains http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125901 #rms #posix #unix #gnu [https://pleroma.site/objects/079b7f03-3833-4b39-9947-a7a70d49b563] | Jul 15 09:41 | |
| XRevan86 | It seems Gargron also removed Atom altogether from Mastodon %). | Jul 15 10:39 |
| XRevan86 | Though maybe that instance is just buggy. I need to check another one on unreleased Mastodon… | Jul 15 10:40 |
| XRevan86 | Cannot find another, but I rushed to conclusions either way. | Jul 15 10:46 |
| <--x003n has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | Jul 15 11:30 | |
| <--amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 15 12:13 | |
| -->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-229-237.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 12:15 | |
| XRevan86 | https://likeable.space/federation_restrictions.txt juche.town North korea tankies, “free speech” | Jul 15 12:20 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Quite an honour :D | Jul 15 12:20 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to Lirion libertybox_ amarsh04 Firre__ | Jul 15 13:18 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to libertybox siel acer-box | Jul 15 13:18 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 15 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | quitter.pw is blocked there as their admin doesn't think "words are hurtful". It's worth noting that it has (https://quitter.pw/directory/users) one user only – the admin himself. | Jul 15 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-User directory - Quitter.pw | Jul 15 13:22 | |
| XRevan86 | So he was blocked for being unwilling to moderate a safe space for himself. | Jul 15 13:22 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 15 13:24 |
| MinceR | human society is a clusterfuck | Jul 15 13:24 |
| XRevan86 | * one active user only | Jul 15 13:25 |
| MinceR | block them before they grow | Jul 15 13:28 |
| kaniini | XRevan86: i wonder if they realize that their iptables script also nuked pleroma.site and half a dozen other instances running behind the same LB | Jul 15 14:09 |
| kaniini | oh well | Jul 15 14:10 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: what is this? | Jul 15 15:22 |
| schestowitz | [13:22] <XRevan86> quitter.pw is blocked there as their admin doesn't think "words are hurtful". It's worth noting that it has (https://quitter.pw/directory/users) one user only – the admin himself. | Jul 15 15:22 |
| schestowitz | wow, freedom | Jul 15 15:22 |
| schestowitz | words can hurt | Jul 15 15:23 |
| schestowitz | but not physically | Jul 15 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Just a blocklist from an instance. With explanations (that I respect). | Jul 15 15:30 |
| scientes | Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. :) | Jul 15 15:38 |
| scientes | The only safe space is the grave, IMHO. | Jul 15 15:39 |
| scientes | so be my guest.... | Jul 15 15:39 |
| scientes | If you aren't offending people, you are not doing free speech right. | Jul 15 15:40 |
| XRevan86 | I'm offended. | Jul 15 15:41 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ban scientes. | Jul 15 15:41 |
| XRevan86 | I am having PTSD now of the moment I first read his message about free speech. | Jul 15 15:42 |
| XRevan86 | That's how much of a bad influence he is. | Jul 15 15:42 |
| <--Firre__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jul 15 15:43 | |
| XRevan86 | (dark sarcasm) | Jul 15 15:43 |
| scientes | dark indeed | Jul 15 15:43 |
| scientes | the lengths people will go to to avoid thinking | Jul 15 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Got you worried? | Jul 15 15:43 |
| scientes | For most people it seems that a life that doesn't require thinking is their idea of heaven. | Jul 15 15:44 |
| scientes | People loath thinking. | Jul 15 15:45 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: banned it, the bandit! | Jul 15 15:47 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: we haven't banned anyone in years | Jul 15 15:48 |
| scientes | there was that one guy | Jul 15 15:48 |
| scientes | that kept coming back | Jul 15 15:48 |
| schestowitz | I remember some mad Aussie like 8 years ago | Jul 15 15:48 |
| scientes | yeah that is the one | Jul 15 15:48 |
| schestowitz | I forgot his username | Jul 15 15:49 |
| schestowitz | some angry 'ol man | Jul 15 15:49 |
| schestowitz | I think he was aggressive towards all of us | Jul 15 15:49 |
| <--danielinux has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) | Jul 15 15:51 | |
| XRevan86 | Wrongthink is also present in that blocklist practically in cleartext | Jul 15 15:57 |
| XRevan86 | blocks of anarcho-capitalists | Jul 15 15:57 |
| XRevan86 | That is the most ridiculous ideology, but still. | Jul 15 15:58 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Epic Games, Taste of Power, RetroArch, Space Rabbits in Space, CoreCtrl, NOTES, Streets of Rogue, Code This Game's Author http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125908 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e33e0ed1-3836-4b8b-822f-a77cc98f351b] | Jul 15 15:59 | |
| -->danielinux (sbnc@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 16:03 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Linux Distro for Windows 7 Refugees: Manjaro KDE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125909 [https://pleroma.site/objects/92f9c800-99ca-46e7-bb62-8b31299058ed] | Jul 15 16:21 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: I2Som PanGu, an STM32MP1 powered Raspberry Pi Linux alternative that costs ~US$72.50 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125910 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a150671b-94f3-44d8-ad87-edd1f1196322] | Jul 15 16:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Q4OS 3.8 Centaurus, stable http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125911 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dc72e3a9-6e1a-4d63-bc96-2013af78a641] | Jul 15 16:42 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Spectre Mitigation Performance Impact Benchmarks On AMD Ryzen 3700X / 3900X Against Intel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125912 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eda4b7d4-9c61-464b-b9a0-7926142111c7] | Jul 15 16:43 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125913 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ddc43ddd-140a-4dd0-a774-8c409a746ee6] | Jul 15 16:54 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to danielinux | Jul 15 16:54 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125913 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f77d8e28-2dfa-4c0b-99c8-668429b232a1] | Jul 15 17:10 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125914 [https://pleroma.site/objects/116599de-5746-4645-aab7-51c6526e77d8] | Jul 15 17:10 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel: Chrome OS, Direct Rendering Manger (DRM) and Char/Misc http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125915 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e3c62f93-5876-46bb-9643-bab2d17e2368] | Jul 15 17:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125916 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ecb0503b-1dea-4d0f-945c-d64557b8bc2b] | Jul 15 17:29 | |
| -->pidgin_log (~roy@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 17:29 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Annual Report 2018: LibreOffice development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125917 [https://pleroma.site/objects/66f38fc3-1df4-44f7-a787-6f2ae5fad2a7] | Jul 15 17:33 | |
| -->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 18:47 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, do you know anything about smart electric meters in Russia? | Jul 15 19:03 |
| scientes | its a pretty international market, with a bunch of shitty over-priced propritary software | Jul 15 19:04 |
| scientes | and there really is only one feature which is important on these things: load shedding | Jul 15 19:04 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to Firee pidgin_log | Jul 15 19:04 | |
| MinceR | what's that? | Jul 15 19:04 |
| scientes | "smart" electricity meters | Jul 15 19:05 |
| scientes | there are also a bazillion ways that these things communicate back to base | Jul 15 19:05 |
| MinceR | i mean load shedding | Jul 15 19:05 |
| scientes | unplugging individual houses instead of the whole grid: makes rolling blackouts a thing of the past | Jul 15 19:06 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 15 19:06 |
| scientes | also makes rationing possible | Jul 15 19:06 |
| scientes | otherwise you can't change people's habits and the whole grid collapses | Jul 15 19:06 |
| MinceR | also makes SWATting easier :> | Jul 15 19:06 |
| scientes | only a little bit | Jul 15 19:06 |
| scientes | there is still a single point of control | Jul 15 19:06 |
| schestowitz | "duck, money... and peel off that smart meeeeeta'!!" | Jul 15 19:29 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: @h4ck3rm1k3 For Android there's an "app" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120574 [https://pleroma.site/objects/96e39ea1-21fb-4e70-93c4-6c0b193df0cd] | Jul 15 19:52 | |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipjgdcqQB7s | Jul 15 20:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-10 июля 2019 г. - YouTube | Jul 15 20:18 | |
| XRevan86 | Vladimir, near Moscow. | Jul 15 20:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Forgot to reply with a "no" %) | Jul 15 20:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I did see something about them though, but I cannot remember now. | Jul 15 20:21 |
| scientes | yeah I found something about them too before when I was looking into it, but nothing substansial | Jul 15 20:28 |
| scientes | the best I got was from my local utility in the US | Jul 15 20:28 |
| scientes | but they are so swamped with idiots that are afraid of them to actually do work, or to organize with other utilities to pay developers to develop something open source | Jul 15 20:29 |
| scientes | (or to understand what that means) | Jul 15 20:29 |
| scientes | electricity grids is a great outlook of tin-pot bikeshedders | Jul 15 20:29 |
| scientes | *outlet | Jul 15 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, it wasn't anything about them specifically, just about the usual stuff | Jul 15 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | who cashes in on them | Jul 15 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | Which is easy to guess. | Jul 15 20:30 |
| scientes | well what no-body talks about is 1) they can be terribly insecure, and 2) the enable load shedding which makes rolling blackouts a thing of the past | Jul 15 20:30 |
| scientes | usually you only hear about the questionable fancy features | Jul 15 20:30 |
| scientes | they also enable arbitrary pricing models | Jul 15 20:31 |
| MinceR | or the blackouts roll merely at a smaller scale :> | Jul 15 20:31 |
| scientes | I requested a CVE on issue in gcrypt, and now the maintainer has a grudge against me | Jul 15 20:32 |
| scientes | he is trying to say that the BSD-3 clause is incompatible with LGPL, despite the project already having considerable 3-clause BSD code in it | Jul 15 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | Ashes to Ashes – now that's a peculiar ST:V episode. | Jul 15 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | For some reason it reminded me of Indian women kidnapped by Muslim families and forcefully adopted. | Jul 15 20:40 |
| XRevan86 | I just can't quite figure out the message they're trying to convey. | Jul 15 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | That a sense of belonging is a weird thing? | Jul 15 20:42 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19060820 | Jul 15 20:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 15 20:45 | |
| XRevan86 | And my mindset of seeing it as an analogy for women forced into a different family, the finale when the new family wins her heart… yea, I read it wrong. | Jul 15 20:52 |
| <--pav5088 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Jul 15 21:09 | |
| <--rianne has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) | Jul 15 22:12 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1906080 | Jul 15 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 15 22:13 | |
| -->rianne (~liberty@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 22:14 | |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN-_jXEA5zU | Jul 15 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-completewasteofmytime - YouTube | Jul 15 22:16 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to rianne | Jul 15 22:17 | |
| -->x003n (~n@ip24-254-83-207.sb.sd.cox.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 22:45 | |
| -->decnet (~decnet@gateway/tor-sasl/decnet) has joined #techrights | Jul 15 23:27 | |
| <--decnet has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Jul 15 23:38 | |
| <--Firee has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Jul 16 00:21 | |
| <--pidgin_log has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Jul 16 01:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Quad-camera rig taps into Jetson AGX Xavier for deep learning http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125918 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8dc5b1b3-724f-4be8-8169-d953c8695484] | Jul 16 01:25 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Octa-core MediaTek i700 SoC offers APU 2.0 for edge AI http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125919 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b2e119bf-65c3-4f68-8592-c60608377148] | Jul 16 01:27 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125920 [https://pleroma.site/objects/74a13a6c-e21a-408c-8430-2a8565d60d20] | Jul 16 01:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125921 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7893929a-4d51-4324-b246-3428071da5eb] | Jul 16 01:36 | |
| <--friendofafriend has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) | Jul 16 01:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: If You Are a Linux User, Make Your Next PC Powered By AMD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125922 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4f266090-7cd7-4dcc-8b8f-026eb131f68d] | Jul 16 01:41 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LXD 3.15 has been released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125923 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7f21dfa8-38d7-4654-8e5b-65c212169b5e] | Jul 16 01:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: D9VK 0.13f http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125924 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b309f724-0724-44a1-b214-60275114b8af] | Jul 16 01:54 | |
| <--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | Jul 16 02:05 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 5 Business Tools for Start-ups Running on Linux in 2019 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125925 [https://pleroma.site/objects/adf2a382-068b-4cae-be77-e596bc2c838b] | Jul 16 02:08 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What Is AppImage in Linux? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125926 [https://pleroma.site/objects/60c1743a-9536-4251-944c-65d119e4454f] | Jul 16 02:22 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Tizonia – powerful open source cloud music player for the Linux terminal http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125927 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7aad1740-34a2-4f36-9c96-4710cc5ead68] | Jul 16 02:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSI and Linux Foundation: Takeover by Proprietary Software Giants With Back Doors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125928 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a8aedd65-2653-4e7c-844d-1dd34485ba79] | Jul 16 02:27 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Cheat.sh Shows Cheat Sheets On The Command Line Or In Your Code Editor http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125929 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cf8c54b7-4ac3-4209-891d-b968a8529159] | Jul 16 02:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Open Source Security Podcast, Full Circle Weekly News and This Week in Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125930 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e475243e-7531-419f-90c7-50304e05979e] | Jul 16 02:33 | |
| superkuh | Whew boy. Github has now *broken* anchors so that they aren't anchors and don't work without javascript code running. | Jul 16 02:49 |
| superkuh | No <a name="whatever"> | Jul 16 02:50 |
| superkuh | Instead they do some absolutely batshit stupid javascript/css class "anchor" thing. | Jul 16 02:50 |
| <--amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 16 04:40 | |
| -->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-229-237.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 16 04:46 | |
| oiaohm | superkuh: this is sounding so much like when Microsoft took over hotmail. | Jul 16 05:18 |
| schestowitz | github pages don't render properly in my browser | Jul 16 05:29 |
| schestowitz | I had to scroll down two screen-fulls | Jul 16 05:29 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Feren OS 19.07 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125931 [https://pleroma.site/objects/13c56b83-bf7c-4c3c-9ff7-928904eaa7d8] | Jul 16 05:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Epic Games Awards Open Source 3D Creation Tool Blender With $1.2 Million http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125932 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cf90c578-e1d6-410c-ac09-b39fc66fc3af] | Jul 16 05:35 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Canonical/Ubuntu: ASUS, Weekly Newsletter and Octave Snaps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125933 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bd6bcb64-111e-4163-8961-ff26ff86ead7] | Jul 16 05:44 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Coming up in Linux 5.3: ASUS TUF Gaming Laptop Support, Speed Select Technology (SST) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125934 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eadc7430-562c-4988-92fc-33089a65658b] | Jul 16 05:50 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux kernel announces a patch to allow 0.0.0.0/8 as a valid address range http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125935 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5480a323-82a3-4a09-9228-a2e1c8e21f13] | Jul 16 06:14 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: AMD's Linux Graphics Driver Patches http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125936 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4ce79687-cf71-4996-b4d5-2e5fd048588f] | Jul 16 06:15 | |
| -->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 16 06:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: AMD's Linux Graphics Driver Patches http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125936 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5750415f-14d9-4d72-864c-737ce0a759b4] | Jul 16 06:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: FOSS Updates, WhatsApp and Telegram, Windows as Malware and Respect to Fernando Corbató http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125937 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b19107d1-c4e7-4322-86c0-48261d405878] | Jul 16 06:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM, Red Hat and Fedora http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125938 [https://pleroma.site/objects/998e575c-3591-409f-95d8-86dd67d64e55] | Jul 16 06:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Kubernetes Within the Context of Video Games, Please, RetroArch http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125939 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1840abfd-2bd7-40c5-863a-348df8cc9841] | Jul 16 06:42 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-i686-Drop-Kernel-Plus | Jul 16 06:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora To Stop Providing i686 Kernels, Might Also Drop 32-Bit Modular/Everything Repos - Phoronix | Jul 16 06:50 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Python, Vim, Go and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125940 [https://pleroma.site/objects/35619345-fe33-4158-b7dd-4b40ae894cf7] | Jul 16 07:05 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNOME: GSOC, GNOME Foundation, GLib http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125941 [https://pleroma.site/objects/92e2dcd1-ac11-4b7f-aa59-4606c0d6e324] | Jul 16 07:09 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Events: Plasma Sprint, PyCon, SciPy and All Systems Go! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125942 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8b6b2663-3cd6-467c-a5b7-9b3bbff7740a] | Jul 16 07:11 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125943 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c3848614-79ba-46e2-9c64-ff02e3b78ae7] | Jul 16 07:14 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man amarsh04 x003n | Jul 16 07:17 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: ibm-dora | Jul 16 07:20 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 16/7/2019: LXD 3.15, Q4OS 3.8 and D9VK 0.13f http://techrights.org/2019/07/16/lxd-3-15/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/8ab3018f-2565-4c5d-910f-11b799c44631] | Jul 16 07:22 | |
| MinceR | would be nice if they dropped everything else too | Jul 16 07:24 |
| schestowitz | naaa | Jul 16 07:28 |
| schestowitz | although debian can fill the gap | Jul 16 07:28 |
| schestowitz | some in GAFAM might try to take advantage | Jul 16 07:29 |
| schestowitz | or MicrosoftCanonical | Jul 16 07:29 |
| MinceR | debian can only fill the landfill now | Jul 16 07:29 |
| schestowitz | systemd? | Jul 16 07:29 |
| schestowitz | anyway, LP now works for the company that helped the Nazis, so... | Jul 16 07:29 |
| MinceR | also, how would debian people know what to do without ibm/rh telling them? | Jul 16 07:29 |
| schestowitz | process eins | Jul 16 07:29 |
| schestowitz | leader eins | Jul 16 07:30 |
| MinceR | Intolerant Regent P | Jul 16 07:31 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/2feFK5V.jpg | Jul 16 07:31 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/31/d27a15482d3cd73d.mp4 | Jul 16 08:02 |
| schestowitz | haha | Jul 16 08:13 |
| schestowitz | rianne liked it also | Jul 16 08:13 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125944 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0bad248e-d143-4ee3-915d-e0574fcf3e37] | Jul 16 08:20 | |
| schestowitz | >> The attached texts (four in total) are provided free for publication, with permission for any necessary editorial amendments including additions/deletions. | Jul 16 08:41 |
| schestowitz | We have 4 articles coming | Jul 16 08:41 |
| schestowitz | guest ones | Jul 16 08:41 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #ONLYOFFICE Desktop Editors v.5.3 available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125945 [https://pleroma.site/objects/51a06b85-bb93-4105-ba51-c853d38bba14] | Jul 16 08:53 | |
| <--amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 16 09:40 | |
| -->Don_M (~Don_M__@wsip-98-172-4-155.fv.ks.cox.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 16 10:12 | |
| <--Don_M (~Don_M__@wsip-98-172-4-155.fv.ks.cox.net) has left #techrights ("/dev/null") | Jul 16 10:37 | |
| -->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-229-237.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 16 10:37 | |
| oiaohm | https://9to5mac.com/2019/07/15/office-365-banned/ << exactly what is wrong with going libreoffice and being done with it. | Jul 16 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Office 365 banned from German schools; iWork also ruled out- 9to5Mac | Jul 16 10:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #ONLYOFFICE Desktop Editors v.5.3 available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125945 [https://pleroma.site/objects/05aee4a5-f0df-417d-9ce4-eef4e78ca30a] | Jul 16 10:50 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: One year ago: #GitHub as the Latest Example of #Microsoft #Entryism in Free/Libre Software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/112706 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dcecd208-27cb-43e4-9131-4342ed17a206] | Jul 16 10:50 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Anything that the @LinuxFoundation touches seems to turn into its proprietors’ agenda; one of those proprietors is #Microsoft , which has a "Jihad" against #Linux http://techrights.org/2019/07/16/microsoft-linux-promotion-site/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/0d1d9a0d-bcbc-4143-b480-41e00064fc21] | Jul 16 11:03 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: right.. | Jul 16 11:08 |
| schestowitz | lobbying, bribery, corruption | Jul 16 11:08 |
| schestowitz | see Munich | Jul 16 11:08 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Microsoft is ‘Doing Kamikaze’ (神風) on Linux http://techrights.org/2019/07/16/microsoft-kamikaze/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/9f5e9b67-1cd0-4b3d-8882-7ff044bae350] | Jul 16 11:29 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125946 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ebb64e49-e953-49c0-b713-d288ea6728c1] | Jul 16 11:34 | |
| <--libertybox has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) | Jul 16 13:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Emberlight, Rings of Saturn, Defend The Keep, Path of Titans, Kind Words, Kingdoms of the Dump http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125947 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cdb0bcb3-393b-4ba0-81e6-831e4036aa89] | Jul 16 13:37 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Arduino from the Command Line: Break Free from the GUI with Git and Vim! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125948 [https://pleroma.site/objects/477eb117-270f-410a-b577-442ae415cc20] | Jul 16 13:42 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Vulkan, AMDGPU and AMDVLK http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125949 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2db0ea2d-b50c-483c-ade9-ed1ec82770bf] | Jul 16 14:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Clonezilla live 2.6.2-15 Released, which includes Major Enhancements and Bug Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125950 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a170421d-07c7-49c3-b82e-c25de7ff7de5] | Jul 16 14:38 | |
| <--ender2070 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jul 16 14:39 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora Community Blog: Application service categories and community handoff http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125951 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7e59348a-e879-4e52-b996-1749d72d799e] | Jul 16 14:47 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi 4 and Raspbian Buster: Hands-On http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125952 [https://pleroma.site/objects/65cb89f7-6dce-430f-85c5-82050a541ce9] | Jul 16 15:01 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125954 [https://pleroma.site/objects/914ee512-d23c-4890-8353-c7876b94ce85] | Jul 16 15:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Thread Synchronization, Python, C++ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125955 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2df76fca-d9fa-4d49-b252-669dba5e8780] | Jul 16 15:52 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Hardware: ASUS Chromebooks, MacBook Air Slowdowns, Exploding 'i' Things and Planned Obsolescence http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125956 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b6a1adda-612c-466e-b07c-3a3b1f26f8bc] | Jul 16 15:55 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Windows, Books, Apple and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125957 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ab5c72c3-9730-401d-9580-93ff60f6c246] | Jul 16 15:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125958 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e7885758-1db2-42b1-a836-3fbc98a46370] | Jul 16 16:00 | |
| -->sebsebseb (~sebsebseb@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights | Jul 16 16:48 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Apple | Jul 16 16:48 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: https://youtu.be/pOuNKToSebE?t=98 | Jul 16 16:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I hate pears - YouTube | Jul 16 16:52 | |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: a nice device came today :), but its looking like for now, I am basically stuck having to run Windows 10 0n it, whilst well at least Ubuntu Mate makes progress in getting ported over to it properly | Jul 16 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Reduce the amount of telemetry and stuff while you're at it then | Jul 16 16:56 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: what you mean telemetry ? | Jul 16 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: Calls home. | Jul 16 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | Data gathering | Jul 16 16:56 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: yeah I opt out of most things on set up | Jul 16 16:56 |
| sebsebseb | not had it on just yet but later I will | Jul 16 16:57 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: but yes GPC MIcroPC it's come :) | Jul 16 16:57 |
| sebsebseb | GPD MIcropc | Jul 16 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: I can see why it's called micro- | Jul 16 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: yes you jsut googled it :) | Jul 16 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | I have the GPD XD, GPD Win, and GPD Pocket as well :) | Jul 16 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | Something like that | Jul 16 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: well I guess can use the shell actsually for example, going by a video I saw aerlier | Jul 16 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | Does it have Secure Boot? | Jul 16 17:00 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: probably like the otgher one but maybe not | Jul 16 17:01 |
| sebsebseb | it's x86 | Jul 16 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | I'd be surprised if it weren't x86. | Jul 16 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | oh nice razielle_tzu is back :) missed you ! | Jul 16 17:02 |
| razielle_tzu | hai | Jul 16 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Jul 16 17:02 |
| razielle_tzu | how is? | Jul 16 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | ok you | Jul 16 17:03 |
| razielle_tzu | pretty good | Jul 16 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | I have a nice girl friend now :) | Jul 16 17:03 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Jul 16 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: ha ha I wish HMM HMM | Jul 16 17:03 |
| *razielle_tzu wishes she had a third but isn't in the right mental space for that yet | Jul 16 17:04 | |
| razielle_tzu | bleh | Jul 16 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: you have two oh | Jul 16 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4SQhLlk2XE | Jul 16 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GPD MicroPC - Very Boring Linux Story - YouTube | Jul 16 17:05 | |
| razielle_tzu | the computer club keeps shutting everything down on a friday so i can't work | Jul 16 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: razielle_tzu clever stuff trying to get L<inux working on that more properly going by that video HE H, but that was from like Janruary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4SQhLlk2XE | Jul 16 17:05 |
| razielle_tzu | sebsebseb no, a third refers to a third member of the relationship, so they would be my sdecond | Jul 16 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | Heroes of Might and Magic? | Jul 16 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | > I wish HMM HMM | Jul 16 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: razielle_tzu need clever people porting over like that Mint guy, since certain issues | Jul 16 17:06 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah | Jul 16 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: GPD XD, GPD Win, GPD Pocket, and now this one too the MicrPC | Jul 16 17:08 |
| sebsebseb | they release some pretty good devices | Jul 16 17:08 |
| sebsebseb | but keep on coming out with new ones | Jul 16 17:08 |
| razielle_tzu | they do but... lately i'm bouncing between my rpis and my thinkpad t510 | Jul 16 17:09 |
| *sebsebseb can luckily ignore the GPD P2 Max for most part, I don'tw ant an actsaul ultra book as such :) | Jul 16 17:09 | |
| razielle_tzu | different projects on each | Jul 16 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | then you get a nice 63 pounds or so custoum charge too | Jul 16 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | I just paid up | Jul 16 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | 63,84 | Jul 16 17:10 |
| -->pidgin_log (~roy@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 16 17:29 | |
| sebsebseb | razielle_tzu: what you been up to anyway :) ? | Jul 16 17:30 |
| razielle_tzu | trans stuff and working with the smaller group at the computer club on a few projects | Jul 16 17:31 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to sebsebseb amarsh04 pidgin_log | Jul 16 17:49 | |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: IBM | Jul 16 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yes Redhat IBM | Jul 16 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Redhat is now part of IBM | Jul 16 17:51 |
| MinceR | i know | Jul 16 17:51 |
| MinceR | but has ibm taken over managing redhat yet? | Jul 16 17:51 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I read the aquasation has gone through | Jul 16 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | Fedora IBM | Jul 16 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | Microsoft Appple | Jul 16 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | when Apple buy out Microsoft, and Microsoft buy out IBM h eh | Jul 16 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah with littl Canonical in the background becoming less and less relevant | Jul 16 17:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I read a statement that they're planning on keeping Red Hat autonomous. | Jul 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | so then they're liable for everything redhat continues to do | Jul 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | well, it fits their legacy | Jul 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | especially as dehomag | Jul 16 17:54 |
| -->phebus (~phebus@fsf/member/phebus) has joined #techrights | Jul 16 17:57 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to phebus | Jul 16 18:03 | |
| -->rianne__ (~liberty@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 16 18:04 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to rianne__ | Jul 16 18:10 | |
| <--sebsebseb has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | Jul 16 18:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125959 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e259505a-c3de-4b69-97a4-a9973073c7d7] | Jul 16 18:49 | |
| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/16/a5f33fc60936ba4a.mp4 | Jul 16 20:31 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19060769 | Jul 16 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 16 21:10 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the USA aquirement process is a jackass particularly with these big companies. Acquisition gone though with Redhat to IBM on Jul 9, 2019 major management changes you will not expect to Jul 9, 2020 | Jul 16 21:21 |
| MinceR | yeah, i thought so | Jul 16 21:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: This 12 month delay is because the government of the USA has the right to dispute and breakup and Acquistion up to 12 months latter. | Jul 16 21:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes after they already had rubber stamped it. | Jul 16 21:21 |
| oiaohm | Redhat voting rights on items like Oin and so on are in IBM hands now. | Jul 16 21:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically management will not change for 12 months but IBM had got it self a lot more voting power in different things right now. | Jul 16 21:23 |
| oiaohm | We could see some minor management changes. Nothing that would make it hard to split the companys back apart of course. | Jul 16 21:24 |
| MinceR | having rh top management report to someone at ibm is not a major change | Jul 16 21:25 |
| oiaohm | That is fairly minor as they are reporting to ibm instead of board of shareholders. | Jul 16 21:26 |
| MinceR | having ibm management tell rh to back off on trying to kill unix is also not a major change | Jul 16 21:26 |
| oiaohm | IBM makes more out of Linux based solutions than AIX/Unix based ones. | Jul 16 21:27 |
| MinceR | the same applies | Jul 16 21:29 |
| MinceR | GNU/Linux suffers at least as much from cancerd as AIX and other proprietary unixes | Jul 16 21:29 |
| MinceR | there's an increasing work necessary to disentangle programs from cancerd dependencies or replace them with those that do not depend on cancerd | Jul 16 21:30 |
| oiaohm | https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg3T1012517 this on AIX end of life have got very interesting. | Jul 16 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www-01.ibm.com | IBM AIX support lifecycle information | Jul 16 21:32 | |
| oiaohm | Notice how we now have estimated ends of life instead of solid ones. | Jul 16 21:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: openrc from gentoo is not showing that much systemd entanglement. | Jul 16 21:35 |
| MinceR | gnome does | Jul 16 21:35 |
| oiaohm | Really. | Jul 16 21:35 |
| MinceR | and apparently gnome believes they also own third-party applications that use gtk | Jul 16 21:35 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/pYuj8tW | Jul 16 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Jul 16 21:36 | |
| MinceR | this may lead to problems with other applications | Jul 16 21:36 |
| oiaohm | openrc works with gnome | Jul 16 21:36 |
| MinceR | yeah, because gentoo folks patched it | Jul 16 21:36 |
| MinceR | no thanks to the cult of cancerd | Jul 16 21:36 |
| oiaohm | No they did not patch gnome to get it work in the end. | Jul 16 21:36 |
| oiaohm | Need to provide 3 services. | Jul 16 21:36 |
| MinceR | ooh | Jul 16 21:36 |
| MinceR | let me guess, their names start with "systemd-" | Jul 16 21:37 |
| oiaohm | Turns out 3 services that systemd, consolekit2 and openrc all provide these days. One of those is logind. | Jul 16 21:37 |
| MinceR | you get to run gnome without systemd by running gnome with systemd | Jul 16 21:37 |
| MinceR | thank you very much, red hat | Jul 16 21:37 |
| MinceR | logind is cancer | Jul 16 21:38 |
| MinceR | so is elogind, which at least used to kill processes started from sessions when the sessions ended | Jul 16 21:38 |
| MinceR | which nobody asked it to | Jul 16 21:38 |
| oiaohm | logind was designed before systemd was first considered as a idea. | Jul 16 21:38 |
| MinceR | and which breaks several programs | Jul 16 21:38 |
| MinceR | doesn't make it any less evil | Jul 16 21:38 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say it was asked for feature to kill processor when users logged out on different setups. | Jul 16 21:39 |
| MinceR | yeah, by poettering | Jul 16 21:39 |
| MinceR | who still does not have the right to decide what goes on on my systems | Jul 16 21:40 |
| oiaohm | Completely off. | Jul 16 21:40 |
| MinceR | never did, never will | Jul 16 21:40 |
| MinceR | deal with it | Jul 16 21:40 |
| oiaohm | logind predates poettering having anything todo with init systems. | Jul 16 21:40 |
| oiaohm | Include the design to kill all processes on logout. | Jul 16 21:40 |
| oiaohm | The kill all processes on logout come from LTSP project. | Jul 16 21:41 |
| MinceR | do you think this makes me want to break screen, dtach, tmux and cron? | Jul 16 21:41 |
| MinceR | take a wild guess. | Jul 16 21:41 |
| oiaohm | Because running thin clients in schools was running into the problem off running out of PID numbers. | Jul 16 21:41 |
| MinceR | none of my systems are thin clients | Jul 16 21:41 |
| MinceR | none of my systems are in schools | Jul 16 21:41 |
| MinceR | none of the majority of linux-based systems are thin clients | Jul 16 21:42 |
| MinceR | none of the majority of linux-based systems are in schools | Jul 16 21:42 |
| MinceR | why is it necessary to break them for the sake of a few fringe cases? | Jul 16 21:42 |
| MinceR | who made these people king? | Jul 16 21:42 |
| oiaohm | It was who was paying and providing the developers. Most people miss the first prototype of logind appears in the consolekit as a branch. | Jul 16 21:45 |
| oiaohm | Yes it does not track back to redhat. | Jul 16 21:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: open source world its been those providing developers who have had a say not the end users. | Jul 16 21:47 |
| oiaohm | logind was put up for review for 3 years before systemd and not 1 single person complained about hey this kills all process out session end. In fact a lot who did read it over thought it was a good idea. Now this is what happens when you have developers with background not matching end users. | Jul 16 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Um, that feature was added relatively recently. | Jul 16 21:52 |
| MinceR | yeah, windows background | Jul 16 21:52 |
| MinceR | or mentally challenged background, like dave cutler | Jul 16 21:53 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: early consolekit of logind contained a place holder for kill all processes on logout. | Jul 16 21:53 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: May 28, 2016 was when people noticed. KillUserProcesses=was set until that point to no then it changes to yes. That is to kill userprocesses on logout. This option appears 3 years before systemd existed in logind code from consolekit and was put on the roadmap as a on feature way back then. | Jul 16 21:58 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: basically no one payed attention until stuff blew up. | Jul 16 21:59 |
| oiaohm | It does pay to check if project roadmaps are sane for your usage case. | Jul 16 21:59 |
| MinceR | it does pay to use software designed and implemented by sane people | Jul 16 22:01 |
| MinceR | debian started forcing cancerd on users (by abusing build-time dependencies) in april 2015 | Jul 16 22:01 |
| MinceR | you'll find that was earlier than may of 2016 | Jul 16 22:02 |
| MinceR | cancerd, proprietarydesktop and redhat people are not sane people | Jul 16 22:02 |
| MinceR | and their agenda is not benign | Jul 16 22:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KillUserProcesses_by_default you are way too narrow in your logic. | Jul 16 22:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/KillUserProcesses by default - Fedora Project Wiki | Jul 16 22:07 | |
| oiaohm | Here is a person asking for the feature to KillUserProcesses=yes on fedora and they are not redhat people. | Jul 16 22:08 |
| oiaohm | Hard reality on some things no matter what you choose you are going to upset some people. | Jul 16 22:08 |
| MinceR | redhat hasn't managed to hire all the idiots in the world yet? what a shocker. | Jul 16 22:09 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they're trying. | Jul 16 22:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you know the saying a fool and his money are soon parted. Does apply here. some of the idiots have big bank budgets and spend some serous cash on support. | Jul 16 22:11 |
| MinceR | and some formerly great free software projects end up being killed | Jul 16 22:14 |
| MinceR | i hope the community learns from this | Jul 16 22:14 |
| oiaohm | Unlikely this kind of stuff has only been happening with open source starting way back at the start of the 1980s before Linux started. | Jul 16 22:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically we are 3 decades into having this issue. Have not learnt yet. | Jul 16 22:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: correction 4 decades in. | Jul 16 22:19 |
| MinceR | maybe after the sjw army fucks up linux so hard people flee it | Jul 16 22:19 |
| oiaohm | The 4 decades of history has example where stuff like that has happened no one learnt from it. | Jul 16 22:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: expecting the general crowd of humans to be smart is really expecting way too much. | Jul 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | i'm only expecting free software developers to be smart | Jul 16 22:22 |
| MinceR | doesn't sound like expecting too much | Jul 16 22:22 |
| oiaohm | We have 4+ decades of free software developers to look at for history of events they have not learnt from. | Jul 16 22:23 |
| oiaohm | The problem is something basic 'itch-to-scratch model' of development open source works on. | Jul 16 22:25 |
| oiaohm | This model basically means if it not effecting your work flow now as a open source developer you can ignore it until it does. | Jul 16 22:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically so dumber than a bag of rocks. | Jul 16 22:26 |
| MinceR | no, the itch-to-scratch model is fine | Jul 16 22:27 |
| MinceR | that's why we have working software | Jul 16 22:27 |
| MinceR | the problem is all these non-technical people coming in and telling engineers what to do | Jul 16 22:27 |
| MinceR | sjws and suits | Jul 16 22:28 |
| MinceR | they are the ones who need to be excluded from the work of adults | Jul 16 22:28 |
| oiaohm | Its not just those. The logind stuff was not properly reviewed. | Jul 16 22:28 |
| oiaohm | the itch to scratch model has its advantages but it also has high disavantages on forwards planning. | Jul 16 22:29 |
| oiaohm | There are a long list of open source project issues that have come about due to forwards planning failures. | Jul 16 22:31 |
| cubexyz | 4 decades would go back to Unix v7 | Jul 16 22:46 |
| cubexyz | it seems a bit less than that | Jul 16 22:46 |
| oiaohm | There are some early open source development in the time frame of Unix v7 | Jul 16 22:55 |
| oiaohm | With early screw up. | Jul 16 22:55 |
| cubexyz | I'd be interested to hear some examples | Jul 16 22:55 |
| cubexyz | maybe Tex? | Jul 16 22:56 |
| cubexyz | TeX | Jul 16 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Really does not take much thinking to find one. | Jul 16 22:57 |
| cubexyz | yeah there was DECUS | Jul 16 22:58 |
| cubexyz | and I think up until 1974 computer software wasn't even under copyright | Jul 16 22:59 |
| <--x003n has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jul 16 23:01 | |
| XRevan86 | TIL that there is a Socialist International with such members as the Labour Party of the UK and the Just Russia party. | Jul 16 23:24 |
| XRevan86 | I find this notable as a Just Russia is planning to merge with the infamous LDPR | Jul 16 23:26 |
| XRevan86 | unless they've changed their minds, of which I have no information | Jul 16 23:27 |
| XRevan86 | And the Labour Party is also in the Progressive Alliance which includes the Usonian Democratic Party | Jul 16 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | And with A Just Russia being in cahoots with the United Russia this makes DNC and the United Russia indirect allies :D | Jul 16 23:35 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 16 23:35 |
| XRevan86 | It would've been more fun if those alliances actually meant anything :) | Jul 16 23:35 |
| MinceR | the RNC being in cahoots with putler means the DNC and the RNC are allies | Jul 16 23:36 |
| MinceR | then again, they really are, considering how similar they are and how the two-party system works... | Jul 16 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yea, that's just taking a longer path for no reason | Jul 16 23:37 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 16/7/2019: Btrfs Gets 'Cleaned Up', Clonezilla Live 2.6.2-15 http://techrights.org/2019/07/16/clonezilla-live-2-6-2-15/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/e364ade9-9a00-43ad-a6a6-a8b56c343bcb] | Jul 16 23:39 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Firefox 69 Beta On Linux Bringing Better Performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125960 [https://pleroma.site/objects/527a0c22-f84a-463b-8831-91c747defaad] | Jul 16 23:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125961 [https://pleroma.site/objects/056a8da9-a6c0-47bd-b40a-df83d47fcbec] | Jul 16 23:40 | |
| -->sebsebseb (~sebsebseb@2a02:c7f:1831:4d00:a0b3:8f58:4734:a678) has joined #techrights | Jul 16 23:41 | |
| <--sebsebseb has quit (Changing host) | Jul 16 23:41 | |
| -->sebsebseb (~sebsebseb@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights | Jul 16 23:41 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They at least share a common vested interest | Jul 16 23:41 |
| <--sebsebseb has quit (Client Quit) | Jul 16 23:42 | |
| XRevan86 | in preserving the two-party system | Jul 16 23:42 |
| MinceR | exactly | Jul 16 23:42 |
| MinceR | they are also probably in the pockets of most corporations that corrupt either | Jul 16 23:42 |
| XRevan86 | which means helping each other out | Jul 16 23:42 |
| MinceR | which means serving the same masters | Jul 16 23:42 |
| XRevan86 | As opening the doors for other parties could help one party to get rid of another. | Jul 16 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | In a prisoner's dilemma kind of way. | Jul 16 23:43 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Mint 19.2 “Tina” Cinnamon – BETA Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125962 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9e7643d0-13b7-48b6-a146-03513b503b2d] | Jul 16 23:43 | |
| XRevan86 | They could either try to screw each other by democracy or strike a deal. | Jul 16 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's not like it would damage them or anything. | Jul 16 23:45 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mageia 7.1, Mageia 7 with Ryzen 3000 hardware support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125963 [https://pleroma.site/objects/190ba8d2-c1b8-4bca-8ba4-b4570398deff] | Jul 16 23:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125964 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7bff5300-0e0d-4a93-b076-710f13e42315] | Jul 16 23:45 | |
| XRevan86 | What are the electors going to do? Vote Green? | Jul 16 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | With some states not even acknowledging its existence? | Jul 16 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | Hm, I wonder if anyone ever tried to intersect featured parties on ballots of all states | Jul 16 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | to find those parties that are present on each and every one of them | Jul 16 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | The results would probably be unsurprising, but it would still be a fun infographic to look at. | Jul 16 23:48 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 16 23:49 |
| schestowitz | [21:10] <MinceR> https://ircz.de/p/19060769 | Jul 16 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 16 23:51 | |
| schestowitz | ?? | Jul 16 23:51 |
| XRevan86 | I complained that I don't see US citizens talking about fundamental issues of their democratic institutions and… I still do. | Jul 16 23:52 |
| XRevan86 | Why is this such an uninteresting topic? | Jul 16 23:53 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: can be interpreted as an instruction to lynch 4th graders | Jul 16 23:53 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: because they don't want democracy | Jul 16 23:53 |
| XRevan86 | And about atomic changes like unifying the ballot across the federation. | Jul 16 23:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They don't admit that either. | Jul 16 23:54 |
| MinceR | doesn't make it any less true | Jul 16 23:54 |
| XRevan86 | It makes absolutely no sense to me that federation elections are conducted by each state separately. | Jul 16 23:55 |
| XRevan86 | With their own standards, their own ballots and their own laws. | Jul 16 23:55 |
| MinceR | they do that because this gives them a chance to not fuck up as hard as the others | Jul 16 23:56 |
| MinceR | since the federal state is fucked up and every single member state is also fucked up | Jul 16 23:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's also easier to point issues out when elections are conducted with some standards. | Jul 16 23:58 |
| XRevan86 | what kind of supervision can elections have where one state can use paper ballots, and another – Шindows XP machines connected to the Internet. | Jul 16 23:59 |
| MinceR | for examples of how to not fuck up (as hard) when the rest of usonia is fucking up hard, see environmental regulations in california | Jul 16 23:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't mean reducing autonomy. | Jul 16 23:59 |
| MinceR | as for enabling election fraud via winblows boxes, try to explain the problem to the average congressperson | Jul 17 00:00 |
| MinceR | and you'll find out how inept they are | Jul 17 00:00 |
| XRevan86 | But there are areas where that autonomy is harmful, like federal elections | Jul 17 00:00 |
| XRevan86 | and maybe road regulations, but that's not as important | Jul 17 00:01 |
| <--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) | Jul 17 00:08 | |
| scientes | обе́да | Jul 17 00:32 |
| scientes | why is this pronounced with a dipthong | Jul 17 00:32 |
| scientes | the first vowel | Jul 17 00:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Is it? | Jul 17 00:33 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 17 00:33 |
| scientes | oh god don't get me started about the graft in US road construction | Jul 17 00:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's either a schwa or a simple "o" | Jul 17 00:33 |
| scientes | it is a dipthong here https://learnrussianthroughstories.com/stories/leo-tolstoy-stories-for-children/ | Jul 17 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-learnrussianthroughstories.com | Leo Tolstoy. Stories for children | Learn Russian Through Stories | Jul 17 00:33 | |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge | Jul 17 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Gravina Island Bridge - Wikipedia | Jul 17 00:33 | |
| scientes | oh i was hearing wrong | Jul 17 00:33 |
| scientes | my bad | Jul 17 00:33 |
| scientes | i was hearing the vowel from the previous word | Jul 17 00:34 |
| XRevan86 | it's a schwa | Jul 17 00:34 |
| XRevan86 | ah | Jul 17 00:34 |
| XRevan86 | posl' eabieda :) | Jul 17 00:34 |
| MinceR | :D | Jul 17 00:35 |
| scientes | uggh, i can't decide if i should get an external monitor | Jul 17 00:36 |
| scientes | so i can have better posture | Jul 17 00:36 |
| scientes | the problem is that i am travelling | Jul 17 00:36 |
| scientes | there has got to be a more erganomic way to use a laptop | Jul 17 00:37 |
| MinceR | either external display or riser + keyboard, or even all three | Jul 17 00:38 |
| MinceR | that is the official line | Jul 17 00:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You're акание is showing :D | Jul 17 00:38 |
| scientes | yeah but that is so much to lug aroung | Jul 17 00:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: ergonomic | Jul 17 00:38 |
| MinceR | i don't mind looking down on the display | Jul 17 00:38 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 17 00:38 |
| scientes | yeah i caught that one after | Jul 17 00:38 |
| MinceR | that's "Your", not "You're" :> | Jul 17 00:38 |
| XRevan86 | oh my goodness | Jul 17 00:38 |
| scientes | HAHA | Jul 17 00:38 |
| XRevan86 | I fully intended to spell it "your" | Jul 17 00:39 |
| scientes | touche on the grammar nazi | Jul 17 00:39 |
| XRevan86 | but my fingers have a mind of their own | Jul 17 00:39 |
| scientes | i actually tried to read that as a "you are a ____" and had to read it again | Jul 17 00:40 |
| scientes | you are a ___ and it is showing | Jul 17 00:40 |
| *XRevan86 covers his head with ashes. | Jul 17 00:40 | |
| scientes | ur | Jul 17 00:42 |
| scientes | l33tsp33k | Jul 17 00:42 |
| *XRevan86 is not proficient in l33tsp33k | Jul 17 00:42 | |
| scientes | I've even seen the spanish version of it | Jul 17 00:43 |
| scientes | now | Jul 17 00:43 |
| scientes | jajajajajajaa, and Q | Jul 17 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | Makes me look like a n00b | Jul 17 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | jajajaja is just hahahaha | Jul 17 00:43 |
| scientes | and in brazil they use kkkkkkk | Jul 17 00:43 |
| XRevan86 | TODO: find out how it came to be that "j" means a /x/ in the Spanish alphabet. | Jul 17 00:44 |
| scientes | or calle | Jul 17 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: kek? | Jul 17 00:44 |
| scientes | no, same hahahahaha | Jul 17 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | that's rather… remote | Jul 17 00:44 |
| scientes | > means a /x/ | Jul 17 00:44 |
| scientes | that's going to help me remember the russian | Jul 17 00:45 |
| XRevan86 | I admittedly myself can't really tell the difference between /x/ and /h/ | Jul 17 00:46 |
| scientes | yeah but in english its so far from phonetic I really detest transliterations | Jul 17 00:46 |
| scientes | spanish is german is fine, but coming from english (or probably French) the latin alphabet is close to worthless | Jul 17 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | I guess it's because I approach speaking English and Russian a bit differently, and it all cancels out | Jul 17 00:47 |
| scientes | Only the Google dictionary has IPA, which is nice | Jul 17 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, I mean sounds | Jul 17 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | hence the slashes | Jul 17 00:47 |
| scientes | cause even with a tiny bit of exposure to IPA through wikipedia I have learned the basics | Jul 17 00:47 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes I know | Jul 17 00:47 |
| scientes | IPA is nice because it follows the phonetic principal of one symbol, one sound | Jul 17 00:48 |
| scientes | which every latin version breaks | Jul 17 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Slavic Latin alphabets are fairly close to the original New Latin alphabet, that helped. | Jul 17 00:48 |
| scientes | and is thus close to worthless | Jul 17 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | Probably not Polish though. | Jul 17 00:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Esperanto? :) | Jul 17 00:49 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_orthography#Sound_values | Jul 17 00:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Esperanto orthography - Wikipedia | Jul 17 00:50 | |
| XRevan86 | ĥ is the most controversial letter of the Esperanto alphabet | Jul 17 00:50 |
| XRevan86 | and is also the least used | Jul 17 00:50 |
| XRevan86 | Influence of English speakers on Esperanto practically phased it out in favour of "k" | Jul 17 00:51 |
| XRevan86 | architecture can either be "arĥitekturo" or "arkitekturo" in Esperanto | Jul 17 00:51 |
| scientes | yeah I don't take such a "thing" seriously | Jul 17 00:52 |
| scientes | its a dumb idea | Jul 17 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ar%C4%A5itekturo | Jul 17 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | > arĥitekturo: Archaic spelling of arkitekturo | Jul 17 00:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | arĥitekturo - Wiktionary | Jul 17 00:52 | |
| scientes | I'd rather push for Unspell | Jul 17 00:52 |
| scientes | so that the most international language can be more accessable, and not a complete waste of everyone's time | Jul 17 00:52 |
| scientes | I mean, Google is providing off-line OCR translation of German->Arabic | Jul 17 00:53 |
| XRevan86 | Well, I'm just saying that Esperanto has a fairly classical Latin alphabet, but with one character that is unloved. | Jul 17 00:53 |
| scientes | they could certainly do Unspell instead of help the destrustion of European culture | Jul 17 00:53 |
| XRevan86 | I'm unsure how common world-wide "c" is as a "ts" sound letter. | Jul 17 00:54 |
| XRevan86 | But in Russian it is usually called that. | Jul 17 00:54 |
| XRevan86 | bukva tse | Jul 17 00:54 |
| scientes | I meet so many useless Europeans these days | Jul 17 00:55 |
| scientes | absolute idiots | Jul 17 00:55 |
| scientes | more people that study economics and don't know a damn thing about economics | Jul 17 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Eh, English is unsalvagable as an accessible language (: | Jul 17 00:56 |
| scientes | ass-kissers | Jul 17 00:56 |
| scientes | XRevan86, what is so bad about it? | Jul 17 00:56 |
| XRevan86 | not with this phonetic variety | Jul 17 00:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Pronunciation. | Jul 17 00:56 |
| scientes | many of the hard parts people aren't even maintaining | Jul 17 00:56 |
| scientes | you mean the weird english-specific sounds? | Jul 17 00:56 |
| XRevan86 | Little distinction between various words, but huge dialectal distinction. | Jul 17 00:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, phonetics in general. | Jul 17 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | comprehensiveness | Jul 17 00:58 |
| scientes | yeah it doesn't have the rhthymic consistance of other languages | Jul 17 00:58 |
| scientes | (unless you write it in Iambic pentameter) | Jul 17 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | mutual understandability | Jul 17 00:58 |
| scientes | I only have problem understanding the low versions of British english | Jul 17 00:59 |
| scientes | which ironically are from England | Jul 17 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The funny thing is that they're not that different from more standard English variations. | Jul 17 01:00 |
| scientes | they just drop the t | Jul 17 01:00 |
| scientes | and it creates so much ambiguity | Jul 17 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It doesn't take that much deviation for English to become significantly less intelligible. | Jul 17 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | little margin for error | Jul 17 01:00 |
| scientes | its also a massive language | Jul 17 01:01 |
| scientes | I hear | Jul 17 01:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's hard to keep up with slang, that's for sure. | Jul 17 01:01 |
| scientes | no, i'm just talking all the technical words | Jul 17 01:02 |
| scientes | and foreign words | Jul 17 01:02 |
| scientes | tete-a-tete | Jul 17 01:02 |
| scientes | bric-a-brac | Jul 17 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | it's hard to keep up :) | Jul 17 01:02 |
| scientes | nadir | Jul 17 01:02 |
| scientes | incongruent | Jul 17 01:02 |
| scientes | indepodent | Jul 17 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Speak English, please | Jul 17 01:02 |
| scientes | and they just go on and on | Jul 17 01:02 |
| scientes | and then you get the math nuts | Jul 17 01:03 |
| scientes | thankfully those words are not taught anymore | Jul 17 01:03 |
| scientes | although there are places i've then used then in programming | Jul 17 01:03 |
| scientes | like I was getting on "anhydrous ammonia" the other day | Jul 17 01:04 |
| scientes | but it turns out you kinda need it, because ammonia is a solvent, so it very much is wet, even without water | Jul 17 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/y6xNL41CB9o | Jul 17 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Виталий Мутко Лет ми спик фром май харт - YouTube | Jul 17 01:07 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You're Russian learning will be complete when you'll be able to talk like that :) | Jul 17 01:07 |
| scientes | май харт | Jul 17 01:07 |
| scientes | ahh yes i read that and am like "is that English?" | Jul 17 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | "Let me speak form my heart in English" | Jul 17 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | * from | Jul 17 01:08 |
| scientes | ahh, I'm use to it at this point | Jul 17 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | It became a meme :) | Jul 17 01:09 |
| scientes | I understand that an advanced English learner would avoid such foreign-sounding speech, but for a native speaker, I am only worried about the content (of which there is little there) | Jul 17 01:09 |
| <--pidgin_log has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Jul 17 01:10 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, this is a state official | Jul 17 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And his pronunciation is stellar even by local standards | Jul 17 01:11 |
| scientes | yeah, but try listening to the French-native speakers that run for PM of Canada | Jul 17 01:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Um, well, I know francophones have a problem with English pronunciation. | Jul 17 01:12 |
| scientes | and that is part of the job description | Jul 17 01:12 |
| scientes | its actually quite funny watching Canadian parliament where they switch back and forward between languages | Jul 17 01:12 |
| scientes | it will take me years to be even close to that skill level in Russian | Jul 17 01:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I got that, but thought there might be a subtlety or hidden reference | Jul 17 01:17 |
| schestowitz | otherwise the joke is rather dull and blunt | Jul 17 01:18 |
| scientes | And here is Peru the language is very much Spanish, people only generally use English for money, and probably for advanced study (The library in Bogota had a bunch of first-edition English books) | Jul 17 01:18 |
| scientes | but the doctor's I've gone to don't really speak English | Jul 17 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Just keep in mind native speakers don't always know what they're talking about :) | Jul 17 01:25 |
| scientes | well at my level they do | Jul 17 01:25 |
| scientes | unless its directions perhaps | Jul 17 01:25 |
| scientes | but yeah I've been really happy with my progress in Spanish | Jul 17 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | I used to wonder, how the heck did it happen that there was a Moscow dialectal pronunciation of words like "маленький" as "маленькый" | Jul 17 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | turns out, that's the original historical Russian pronunciation | Jul 17 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | and the spelling instead reflects the Old Church Slavonic way | Jul 17 01:27 |
| scientes | cool | Jul 17 01:27 |
| XRevan86 | everyone says it as it's spelt right now | Jul 17 01:27 |
| scientes | well of course | Jul 17 01:27 |
| scientes | that's why phonetics are so great | Jul 17 01:27 |
| scientes | you can learn a butt-load faster | Jul 17 01:28 |
| scientes | and I've heard that Shenzhen uses differen't words work computer parts than the Chinese education system | Jul 17 01:28 |
| scientes | like Filbert died, and most people these days only know Hazelnut | Jul 17 01:29 |
| scientes | despite Filbert being the older English word | Jul 17 01:29 |
| scientes | but in general Americans know nothing about their food | Jul 17 01:29 |
| scientes | its really hard to tell people that peanuts are not nuts | Jul 17 01:29 |
| scientes | they won't believe you | Jul 17 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | I should learn at least one of those words :) | Jul 17 01:30 |
| scientes | XRevan86, its what they make nutella out of | Jul 17 01:30 |
| scientes | it would probably grow great in Russia | Jul 17 01:30 |
| scientes | but it has a problem with wood funguses | Jul 17 01:30 |
| scientes | a bunch of friends had to cut down most of their trees | Jul 17 01:31 |
| scientes | hell, that is what I should do in Rusia | Jul 17 01:31 |
| scientes | given that lang is so cheap | Jul 17 01:31 |
| scientes | plant a giant filbert orchard | Jul 17 01:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Peanuts are not nuts? I didn't know that :D | Jul 17 01:31 |
| XRevan86 | арахис is usually sold in the nuts section | Jul 17 01:32 |
| scientes | XRevan86, peanuts are a big US empire thing, because they were important in rotation with tabacco and cotton | Jul 17 01:32 |
| scientes | Maní in spanish | Jul 17 01:32 |
| scientes | > The peanut, also known as the groundnut,[2] goober, or monkey nut | Jul 17 01:33 |
| scientes | lol | Jul 17 01:33 |
| scientes | goober | Jul 17 01:33 |
| scientes | monkey nut | Jul 17 01:33 |
| scientes | арахис | Jul 17 01:33 |
| scientes | this matches the latin official name | Jul 17 01:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: yea | Jul 17 01:34 |
| scientes | speaking of, I read a biography of Carl Linnaeus that was excellent | Jul 17 01:34 |
| scientes | This one https://www.amazon.com/Brother-Gardeners-Generation-Gentlemen-Naturalists/dp/0307454754/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=carl+linnaeus&qid=1563323745&s=books&sr=1-9 | Jul 17 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | NO TITLE | Jul 17 01:36 | |
| scientes | ahh f u amazon https://www.amazon.com/Brother-Gardeners-Generation-Gentlemen-Naturalists/dp/0307454754/ | Jul 17 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | NO TITLE | Jul 17 01:36 | |
| scientes | that would probably be good money given the import sanction | Jul 17 01:40 |
| scientes | I mean Europe already imports most of the US filberts | Jul 17 01:40 |
| scientes | and walnuts and pecans are hot stuff for export right now in latin america | Jul 17 01:41 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125965 [https://pleroma.site/objects/282db52f-32a1-409b-b729-21f1fed00c93] | Jul 17 01:41 | |
| schestowitz | Help needed! Am I crazy or is this site WINDOWS-powered? Help me out here, geeks... https://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/SysadmindaY | Jul 17 01:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org | NO TITLE | Jul 17 01:52 | |
| schestowitz | my initial tests say yes | Jul 17 01:52 |
| schestowitz | based on more shallow tests | Jul 17 01:52 |
| schestowitz | I might publish "Celebrates Sysadmin Day With a Microsoft Windows Site!" | Jul 17 01:52 |
| schestowitz | I mean, LF Celebrates Sysadmin Day With a Microsoft Windows Site! | Jul 17 01:52 |
| schestowitz | but I am not yet 100% sure it''s Windows at the back end | Jul 17 01:53 |
| schestowitz | could be mod-speling [sic] in Apache | Jul 17 01:53 |
| schestowitz | https://identity.linuxfoundation.org/checkout/540473 | Jul 17 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://identity.linuxfoundation.org/checkout/540473 ) | Jul 17 01:54 | |
| schestowitz | also this.. | Jul 17 01:54 |
| schestowitz | https://identity.linuxfoundation.org/checkoUt/540473 | Jul 17 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://identity.linuxfoundation.org/checkoUt/540473 ) | Jul 17 01:54 | |
| schestowitz | note case | Jul 17 01:54 |
| schestowitz | still works with the token here | Jul 17 01:54 |
| schestowitz | bloody hell! | Jul 17 01:55 |
| schestowitz | LF.... you also apply for a job there using LinkedIn (Microsoft) | Jul 17 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | https://identity.linuxfoundation.org/checkoUt/540473 – Varnish | Jul 17 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | The first link is served by something else. But it won't tell by which. | Jul 17 01:57 |
| schestowitz | can you check with me? | Jul 17 01:57 |
| schestowitz | this is important | Jul 17 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | It's not HTTP/2 capable. | Jul 17 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | https://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/ | Jul 17 01:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/ ) | Jul 17 01:59 | |
| XRevan86 | The 403 page looks like something done by Apache Tomcat | Jul 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | I did the same thing | Jul 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | why is the site case insensitive? | Jul 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Also, see page source | Jul 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | lots of "MS" bits | Jul 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | I want to be 100% sure we don't get the story, if any at all, wrong | Jul 17 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Maybe they configured case-insensitive matching | Jul 17 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | It is peculiar. | Jul 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | no clues in http headers? | Jul 17 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Ages ago, more than 10 years, I had FF extensions for that | Jul 17 02:03 |
| schestowitz | before Mozilla killed xul | Jul 17 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Not even a Server header. | Jul 17 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Firefox's devtools can do the job. | Jul 17 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | but I test with curl | Jul 17 02:04 |
| schestowitz | any other tricks we can employ? | Jul 17 02:04 |
| schestowitz | This is a big deal if it turns out to be windows | Jul 17 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | If I had experience with Windows servers, maybe I'd know what to look for… | Jul 17 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | or with Java servers for that matter… | Jul 17 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | I know https://linux.org.ru/ is using Tomcat, and it is case-sensitive. | Jul 17 02:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LINUX.ORG.RU — Русская информация об ОС Linux | Jul 17 02:05 | |
| XRevan86 | https://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/ – Gallery | Jul 17 02:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru | Галерея | Jul 17 02:05 | |
| XRevan86 | https://www.linux.org.ru/Gallery/ – 404 | Jul 17 02:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.linux.org.ru/Gallery/ ) | Jul 17 02:05 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: But maybe it is really mod_speling | Jul 17 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | and they then just turned off HTTP headers that give away configuration | Jul 17 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | At least we know it's Java and not ASP.NET | Jul 17 02:09 |
| schestowitz | which domain? | Jul 17 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org | Jul 17 02:11 |
| cubexyz | check with netcraft? | Jul 17 02:12 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Proxmox VE 6.0 released! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125966 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f3b82e95-d9ea-42e1-b380-6be86812a61b] | Jul 17 02:12 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Doesn't tell anything of interest. | Jul 17 02:13 |
| schestowitz | I thought about it | Jul 17 02:13 |
| schestowitz | but did not do it | Jul 17 02:13 |
| schestowitz | as I thought it might not even be on their radar yet | Jul 17 02:13 |
| cubexyz | merely says "unknown" | Jul 17 02:13 |
| schestowitz | seems like a new site or some internal "office" crap | Jul 17 02:13 |
| schestowitz | how else can we test? | Jul 17 02:14 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to get the story wrong, that's all | Jul 17 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | > OS: F5 BIG-IP | Jul 17 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | It did say that though | Jul 17 02:14 |
| schestowitz | as that can be used to discredit everything we ever said re LF | Jul 17 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | How can it tell? | Jul 17 02:14 |
| cubexyz | there's wappalyzer | Jul 17 02:14 |
| schestowitz | can you have a go at it? | Jul 17 02:14 |
| cubexyz | sure | Jul 17 02:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they have the OS quite well | Jul 17 02:14 |
| schestowitz | mind you, they use LOTS of MSFT internalluy | Jul 17 02:15 |
| schestowitz | I know this from their PR rep | Jul 17 02:15 |
| schestowitz | but demonstrating it, like link with proof, would help... | Jul 17 02:15 |
| cubexyz | mysql, php, wordpress, OWL, bootstrap, jquery | Jul 17 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I doubt that | Jul 17 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | there's no wordpress there | Jul 17 02:17 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Univention Corporate Server 4.4-1/Point Release UCS 4.4-1: performance improvements, app recommendations and UDM REST API Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125967 [https://pleroma.site/objects/94f199ef-a04b-473c-a4a1-288f05bf6166] | Jul 17 02:18 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: does not look like wordpress | Jul 17 02:19 |
| schestowitz | even if you look at page source | Jul 17 02:19 |
| schestowitz | it looks like a really poorly-made CMS of some kind | Jul 17 02:19 |
| schestowitz | but I want to know the US | Jul 17 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | WordPress is PHP. | Jul 17 02:20 |
| schestowitz | OS | Jul 17 02:20 |
| cubexyz | no idea, just saying what wappalyzer says | Jul 17 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | This is Java. | Jul 17 02:20 |
| schestowitz | I imagine the CMS is proprietary anyway | Jul 17 02:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1151297943745568768 | Jul 17 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: We are the LINUX FOUNDATION We OWN Linux dot com! We link to anti -Linux stories Because we just do (and we don't e… https://t.co/UoJrMddR6K | Jul 17 02:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: We are the LINUX FOUNDATION We OWN Linux dot com! We link to anti -Linux stories Because we just do (and we don't e… https://t.co/UoJrMddR6K | Jul 17 02:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1150987858083295232 | Jul 17 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "swapnilbhartiya" at #zemlinpac continues using the site LINUX dot com to promote #microsoft crap. [facepalm] https://t.co/BOIY5nmFWU | Jul 17 02:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Aqua Security Launches Microsoft Azure Marketplace Private Offers | Linux.com | The source for Linux information | Jul 17 02:21 | |
| XRevan86 | I don't think there's a way to tell | Jul 17 02:24 |
| cubexyz | thelinuxfoundation.org runs nginx on linux | Jul 17 02:25 |
| cubexyz | according to netcraft | Jul 17 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | Does plain Tomcat support "Content-Encoding: gzip"? | Jul 17 02:25 |
| schestowitz | That would make sense for the main site | Jul 17 02:25 |
| schestowitz | but for sales etc. | Jul 17 02:25 |
| schestowitz | not sure | Jul 17 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | And they're using AWS | Jul 17 02:27 |
| schestowitz | that's not unusual | Jul 17 02:27 |
| schestowitz | would be worse if they used MSAzure | Jul 17 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | That'd make my day | Jul 17 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | Port scanning (nmap) revealed only that whoever configured cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org configured the firewall restrictively | Jul 17 02:29 |
| XRevan86 | At least ICMP is open | Jul 17 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | 80, 113, 443, nothing else | Jul 17 02:30 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Network Security Toolkit 30-11210 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125968 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ec0ec5d4-88eb-4a05-9512-c9c86c76140a] | Jul 17 02:31 | |
| XRevan86 | The main site has IPv6, cloud.email. doesn't. | Jul 17 02:31 |
| schestowitz | I guess we still don't know what it runs | Jul 17 02:33 |
| schestowitz | and the checkout (identity) part | Jul 17 02:33 |
| schestowitz | they got some company from the outside to do it | Jul 17 02:33 |
| schestowitz | and maybe it's not Linux | Jul 17 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | It's most likely Linux just because the odds are generally in that direction. | Jul 17 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | Who'd deploy a Java website on Windows? Some kind of insane Microsoft fan I guess. But then, why not ASP.NET? | Jul 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | don't bet on kt! | Jul 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | it! | Jul 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | This is the LF | Jul 17 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | oh no | Jul 17 02:37 |
| XRevan86 | I've checked nmap's capabilities | Jul 17 02:37 |
| XRevan86 | -O: Enable OS detection | Jul 17 02:37 |
| XRevan86 | -sV: Probe open ports to determine service/version info | Jul 17 02:37 |
| XRevan86 | > 443/tcp open ssl/upnp Microsoft IIS httpd | Jul 17 02:37 |
| XRevan86 | Guess flipping what | Jul 17 02:37 |
| XRevan86 | > Running (JUST GUESSING): F5 Networks embedded (93%), F5 Networks TMOS 11.6.X (87%), OpenBSD 4.X (87%) | Jul 17 02:38 |
| XRevan86 | > OS CPE: cpe:/o:f5:tmos:11.6 cpe:/o:openbsd:openbsd:4.0 | Jul 17 02:38 |
| XRevan86 | > Aggressive OS guesses: F5 BIG-IP Edge Gateway (93%), F5 BIG-IP Local Traffic Manager load balancer (TMOS 11.6) (87%), OpenBSD 4.0 (87% | Jul 17 02:38 |
| XRevan86 | Just like netcraft, it thinks it's most likely something from F5 | Jul 17 02:38 |
| XRevan86 | but HTTP server probing gave a better idea | Jul 17 02:39 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Good thing I didn't bet. | Jul 17 02:39 |
| XRevan86 | You seem speechless %) | Jul 17 02:40 |
| cubexyz | isn't port 443 just HTTP over SSL... not necessarily M$ | Jul 17 02:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's "-sV: Probe open ports to determine service/version info" | Jul 17 02:41 |
| XRevan86 | that's its guess | Jul 17 02:42 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, yeah | Jul 17 02:43 |
| cubexyz | doesn't look good | Jul 17 02:44 |
| schestowitz | maybe I will publish IRC noted to accompany this | Jul 17 02:44 |
| schestowitz | *IRC notes | Jul 17 02:44 |
| schestowitz | as we are not sure | Jul 17 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Get a load of this today | Jul 17 02:44 |
| schestowitz | https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/microsoft-and-red-hat-inspired | Jul 17 02:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Microsoft and Red Hat, inspired | Jul 17 02:44 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The evidence is: | Jul 17 02:45 |
| XRevan86 | 1. case-insensitivity for no apparent reason | Jul 17 02:45 |
| XRevan86 | 2. nmap -sV cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org guesses HTTP is handled by "Microsoft IIS httpd" | Jul 17 02:45 |
| schestowitz | I think it is probable | Jul 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | as soon as I saw the site and then the structure (marketing cruft appended to URL) | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Then I checked page source | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Been there, seen that... red flags | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Also "cloud" | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | I know they used MS for office things | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | like in-office comms | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Their PR reps used that to communicate with me ages ago | Jul 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Dan Brown and others... | Jul 17 02:48 |
| XRevan86 | https://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/SYSADM~1/ well, at least this didn't work :D | Jul 17 02:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/SYSADM~1/ ) | Jul 17 02:49 | |
| schestowitz | joke or some element of truth to it? | Jul 17 02:50 |
| cubexyz | didn't M$ give the win7 code to russia recently? | Jul 17 02:50 |
| schestowitz | I get the joke | Jul 17 02:50 |
| cubexyz | or not recently... it may have been a while ago | Jul 17 02:50 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/irsdl/IIS-ShortName-Scanner some element of truth to it | Jul 17 02:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - irsdl/IIS-ShortName-Scanner: latest version of scanners for IIS short filename (8.3) disclosure vulnerability | Jul 17 02:51 | |
| XRevan86 | Tried using https://nmap.org/nsedoc/scripts/http-iis-short-name-brute.html, no effect. | Jul 17 02:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nmap.org | http-iis-short-name-brute NSE Script | Jul 17 02:56 | |
| XRevan86 | StackOverflow isn't either. | Jul 17 02:57 |
| XRevan86 | nmap -sV detects Varnish on StackOverflow | Jul 17 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | > via: 1.1 varnish | Jul 17 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | I thought they're on Windows Server | Jul 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | no, not likely | Jul 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | the (co)founder has some MSFT connections | Jul 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | books etc. | Jul 17 02:59 |
| schestowitz | CodingHorror guy | Jul 17 03:00 |
| schestowitz | the site, however, isn't so... and he clarified to me he never worked for Microsoft directly | Jul 17 03:00 |
| XRevan86 | Wikipedia states that Stack Overflow is written in C# | Jul 17 03:00 |
| XRevan86 | Considering that .NET Core is a very new thing, it is most likely on Windows. | Jul 17 03:01 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_Overflow#Technology | Jul 17 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Stack Overflow - Wikipedia | Jul 17 03:01 | |
| XRevan86 | I guess they have a separate server as a reverse proxy for security and reliability. | Jul 17 03:01 |
| XRevan86 | it is also case-insensitive | Jul 17 03:03 |
| XRevan86 | no Varnish will change that :) | Jul 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | that's quite common | Jul 17 03:03 |
| XRevan86 | So yea, nmap detected it right. | Jul 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | only hours ago at work I deat with | Jul 17 03:03 |
| XRevan86 | it figured it's Varnish, and it is | Jul 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | apache behind nginx, on Ubuntu/Debian | Jul 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | no varnish | Jul 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | nginx stuff as reverse proxy | Jul 17 03:04 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Apache httpd is redundant in this case in most cases. | Jul 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | also helps hide fro probers like nmap | Jul 17 03:04 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The Stack Overflow is different in that they have to get a separate server to do the job. | Jul 17 03:05 |
| XRevan86 | Because Varnish reportedly doesn't work on Windows. | Jul 17 03:05 |
| XRevan86 | * The Stack Overflow case | Jul 17 03:05 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: nginx in front of Apache httpd introduces almost no overhead. | Jul 17 03:06 |
| schestowitz | yes, or a VM | Jul 17 03:06 |
| schestowitz | it does not have to run on the host/backend | Jul 17 03:06 |
| XRevan86 | So… why wouldn't you, right | Jul 17 03:06 |
| schestowitz | you could even run it as a VM under Windows | Jul 17 03:07 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: True, but I doubt that's very efficient either. | Jul 17 03:07 |
| XRevan86 | It's a high-load website. | Jul 17 03:08 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Seven Concerns Open Source Should Worry About - Part 1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125969 [https://pleroma.site/objects/387bf941-25b0-41b6-be31-c401127a895f] | Jul 17 03:09 | |
| XRevan86 | 3. they don't bother this much on the main website to hide set-up information | Jul 17 03:12 |
| XRevan86 | Overall it looks like it was an outsource job, and no one cared enough to do it differently. But cared enough to cover the tracks a little bit. | Jul 17 03:14 |
| XRevan86 | If they really wanted to hide the fact that this is Windows, they'd reverse proxy it. | Jul 17 03:15 |
| XRevan86 | But I guess since it's likely not in their network (I didn't check), the overhead from proxying is unpleasant. | Jul 17 03:16 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top 15 Best Forum Software For Linux in 2019 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125970 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f850f594-b34a-40fa-bf10-ee8544d1f956] | Jul 17 03:18 | |
| schestowitz | might be worth checking host location | Jul 17 03:24 |
| schestowitz | LF is in Portland IIRC | Jul 17 03:24 |
| schestowitz | if not SF | Jul 17 03:24 |
| schestowitz | I think it's ambiguous and some are 'home workers' | Jul 17 03:24 |
| schestowitz | I'm pretty sure Jim Zemlin isSF-based, or somewhere near in CA | Jul 17 03:24 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: VirtualBox 6.0.10 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125971 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7385bee5-8365-4059-8a6f-6c9edf4c4c45] | Jul 17 03:27 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kali NetHunter App Store – Public Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125972 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e0017c38-08a8-4ee4-ad2e-77fd898c0fe1] | Jul 17 04:12 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125973 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6d3f7b7d-9bd4-492f-a342-22a16a7be971] | Jul 17 04:44 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming/Development: Python and C++ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125974 [https://pleroma.site/objects/84ce14d1-9587-4c3d-9480-67c67b9c28f0] | Jul 17 04:53 | |
| <--cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) | Jul 17 04:59 | |
| -->cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 05:04 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125975 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b26fc672-152a-4d07-9fab-b1ba8fb33e33] | Jul 17 05:09 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM, Red Hat and Servers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125976 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8f42596e-ff4e-4e87-9c0e-56f862f6d2d8] | Jul 17 05:19 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu Copying Fedora and Ubucon Raising Funds http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125977 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8f96f380-46e7-4e7b-ae57-37da098b4d10] | Jul 17 05:20 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices With Linux: Ibase, AOpen, Purism and ASUS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125978 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6cba0795-e541-4e54-9640-f713049f5621] | Jul 17 05:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Video/Audio: LINUX Unplugged, Coder Radio, and Debian 10 "Buster" Video Overview http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125979 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2b3021c6-3be1-4e50-a0cb-b164c81eb325] | Jul 17 05:32 | |
| -->libertybox (~schestowi@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 05:40 | |
| -->acer-box__ (~acer-box@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 05:40 | |
| <--acer-box__ has quit (Changing host) | Jul 17 05:40 | |
| -->acer-box__ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 05:40 | |
| <--libertybox_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) | Jul 17 05:40 | |
| <--acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) | Jul 17 05:40 | |
| <--libertybox has quit (Client Quit) | Jul 17 05:44 | |
| -->libertybox (~schestowi@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 05:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers: kernel, games, mozilla... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125980 [https://pleroma.site/objects/033d8168-4e25-4204-ad05-3610bef457f3] | Jul 17 05:49 | |
| <--phebus has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | Jul 17 05:53 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 17/7/2019: VirtualBox 6.0.10 and Mageia 7.1 Releases, Mint Betas http://techrights.org/2019/07/16/mageia-7-1/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/06667872-8617-4ce2-bc1d-bd70e99e1aa5] | Jul 17 05:58 | |
| -->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 06:01 | |
| -->phebus (~phebus@fsf/member/phebus) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 06:06 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man phebus cubexyz acer-box__ | Jul 17 07:22 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to libertybox | Jul 17 07:22 | |
| <--oiaohm has quit () | Jul 17 07:35 | |
| -->oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 07:36 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: cubexyz you're mentioned in http://techrights.org/2019/07/17/we-are-the-windows-powered-linux-foundation/ | Jul 17 07:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Apparently Celebrates Sysadmin Day With a Microsoft Windows Site! | Techrights | Jul 17 07:38 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #LinuxFoundation Apparently Celebrates #SysadminDay With a #Microsoft #Windows Site! http://techrights.org/2019/07/17/we-are-the-windows-powered-linux-foundation/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [https://pleroma.site/objects/a7d7c574-925a-4d55-9916-2f90f40cb193] | Jul 17 07:53 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to oiaohm | Jul 17 07:54 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat's Freedom Reduced to Just Online Partner Enablement Network (OPEN) and Microsoft as a Close Partner; Canonical's Ubuntu Just an 'App' for Windows? http://techrights.org/2019/07/17/boiling-linux-frogs/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/b7e47528-a274-4b36-a92f-0aec286045c3] | Jul 17 09:21 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish reaches end of life on Thursday, upgrade now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125981 [https://pleroma.site/objects/20846c94-599c-47dd-8afc-e150c84303fe] | Jul 17 09:22 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 8 Top Ubuntu server Web GUI Management Panels http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125983 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fe293edb-36d9-490d-a6de-282955186068] | Jul 17 09:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125982 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1962e2af-a53d-40b9-a74e-0eb86a3853f1] | Jul 17 09:25 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125984 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cac1d7b0-158c-4273-9d18-f03870819480] | Jul 17 09:29 | |
| <--schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 17 09:41 | |
| -->schestowitz (~roy@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 09:41 | |
| <--schestowitz has quit (Changing host) | Jul 17 09:41 | |
| -->schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 09:41 | |
| <--amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 17 13:24 | |
| -->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-229-237.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 13:32 | |
| psydroid | the question is why something that has worked for almost 3 decades and can now handle pretty much all workloads, receives so much disdain, not just among the public but also from an organisation that purports to promote the use of Linux | Jul 17 13:46 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: what are you talking about. | Jul 17 14:02 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: just because something has been used for 3 decades does not mean there is no some issue with it. | Jul 17 14:04 |
| oiaohm | no/not | Jul 17 14:04 |
| psydroid | oiaohm, the things the Linux Foundation has been doing | Jul 17 14:04 |
| scientes | A: it's some operating system something… | Jul 17 14:08 |
| scientes | hahahahahaha | Jul 17 14:08 |
| psydroid | of course there are issues with GNU/Linux, but if a Linux organisation finds so many faults with it that they refrain from using it internally, I am wondering what those faults are and if they real or imaginary | Jul 17 14:08 |
| scientes | imaginary | Jul 17 14:08 |
| psydroid | yes, exactly | Jul 17 14:08 |
| scientes | they are just clueslesss people | Jul 17 14:08 |
| scientes | nice Aaron Swartz quote | Jul 17 14:08 |
| scientes | makes me think i should charge more | Jul 17 14:09 |
| scientes | the person actually providing value | Jul 17 14:09 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: Linux foundation has been run by a lot of people with interest in the server side not the desktop side and it shows. | Jul 17 14:10 |
| scientes | well dug | Jul 17 14:10 |
| scientes | "interest" is a loose word here too | Jul 17 14:10 |
| psydroid | financial interest | Jul 17 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Also there are some true nasty issues like the fact the signel system in the Linux could fail to deliver messages to the right processes. | Jul 17 14:11 |
| oiaohm | And that really bad when its a kill process please die now message. | Jul 17 14:11 |
| psydroid | has the Linux kernel become too large and complicated to be fixable with respect to this signal system? do other Unix-like kernels also suffer from this problem? | Jul 17 14:14 |
| scientes | oh geeze, have you actually used other systems? | Jul 17 14:17 |
| psydroid | I have but not heavily and not delved into their internals | Jul 17 14:19 |
| scientes | Linux is the only one you have a hope of fixing | Jul 17 14:21 |
| scientes | DUH | Jul 17 14:21 |
| psydroid | I have no hopes of fixing anything, I was just asking | Jul 17 14:23 |
| scientes | well then you are doing it wrong | Jul 17 14:24 |
| scientes | if you need something done you fix it | Jul 17 14:24 |
| psydroid | or you use something else | Jul 17 14:24 |
| psydroid | that works | Jul 17 14:24 |
| scientes | its great because you can tell those that point out problems "well, why the hell aren't you fixing it, apprently it isn't that important to you" | Jul 17 14:24 |
| scientes | except everything else is woorse | Jul 17 14:25 |
| scientes | if you don't know that I feel you haven't done much open source | Jul 17 14:26 |
| psydroid | as in open source development? not really, no | Jul 17 14:28 |
| scientes | Why is Windows woorse? Because you pay for it. | Jul 17 14:29 |
| psydroid | I rarely use Windows, although I had to at some of my previous jobs (not in software development), but I was mainly comparing to Solaris and the BSDs | Jul 17 14:32 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: there is work currently to fix the signal system. | Jul 17 14:33 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: https://lwn.net/Articles/773459/ how something could be left dud for the complete life of Linux is another thing. Posix standard does not define a safe way of doing signals BSD world has their own fix to it. There are many Unix where it broken as well. | Jul 17 14:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Toward race-free process signaling [LWN.net] | Jul 17 14:36 | |
| psydroid | oiaohm, I will read that, I haven't done anything with signals really, I just took an operating systems class this past semester | Jul 17 14:38 |
| psydroid | I've also just stumbled upon this, https://lwn.net/Articles/414618/ | Jul 17 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ghosts of Unix past, part 3: Unfixable designs [LWN.net] | Jul 17 14:44 | |
| psydroid | I guess I have some reading to do | Jul 17 14:45 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Eagle Island, Total War: THREE KINGDOMS, Robo Instructus, Ion Fury, TRI: Of Friendship and Madness http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125985 [https://pleroma.site/objects/250de374-8679-4117-aca8-4a81dc6a2e38] | Jul 17 14:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Krita 4.2.3 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125986 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0b22ef83-6dad-4b7e-948e-5c5d1ec44af6] | Jul 17 14:52 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Security and Spying With L#isteningDevices (Google, Amazon, Microsoft) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125987 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b5bd7094-c981-463a-b173-091094be6702] | Jul 17 15:17 | |
| scientes | munmap() is also broken | Jul 17 15:34 |
| scientes | because it can return ENOMEM | Jul 17 15:34 |
| <--nano5 has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) | Jul 17 15:34 | |
| oiaohm | psydroid: A lot of the so called unfixable Unix are turning out to be at least part fixable. Like with the signel system providing a filehandle route instead of PID means newer applications can work without issues. | Jul 17 15:45 |
| scientes | well coming from SIGSEGV and SIGILL signals made sense | Jul 17 15:47 |
| oiaohm | It really would have been good if these fixes had been done back in 2010 or even a decade before that instead of say hey its unfixable we will leave that as the only way todo X action. | Jul 17 15:47 |
| scientes | so that article is good | Jul 17 15:47 |
| scientes | basically signals were used for the wrong things | Jul 17 15:47 |
| scientes | when they should just be in the event loop | Jul 17 15:48 |
| oiaohm | not exactly. | Jul 17 15:48 |
| oiaohm | The problem comes from the fact first Unix each PID was a unique value when you hit max PID you crashed/rebooted. | Jul 17 15:48 |
| scientes | a really ugly one is SIGWINCH | Jul 17 15:48 |
| scientes | that is a totally differn't problem | Jul 17 15:49 |
| scientes | and it was a reasonable decision at the time | Jul 17 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Linux and latter Unix make PID value recyclable leading to the opps we sent message to wrong process. | Jul 17 15:49 |
| oiaohm | scientes: SIGILL and SIGSEGVI would have to check but I think those 2 where not in the early Unix either. | Jul 17 15:53 |
| scientes | of course not | Jul 17 15:53 |
| scientes | they depend on MMU and fancier CPUs that can throw aborts | Jul 17 15:54 |
| scientes | also SIGIO and SIGBUS | Jul 17 15:54 |
| oiaohm | SIGHUP and SIGKILL are really old. And both have a track record of going to the wrong process once we started recycing PID valves. | Jul 17 15:55 |
| scientes | SIGSPRAY | Jul 17 15:57 |
| oiaohm | yep it was very much pray that the signals got deliverd to the right thing. | Jul 17 15:58 |
| oiaohm | we also have the handler issue. | Jul 17 15:58 |
| scientes | go and fix | Jul 17 15:58 |
| scientes | it | Jul 17 15:58 |
| oiaohm | on the application side. | Jul 17 15:58 |
| scientes | oh wait, its allready fixed it | Jul 17 15:58 |
| scientes | you are just blabbering like a brearded UNIX geek | Jul 17 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Its not fully fixed yet final parts are in 5.4 kernel for the PID race issue then its updating all the applications. | Jul 17 15:59 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OPNsense 19.7 "Jazzy Jaguar" released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125990 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a2583e58-d6ab-466d-a38d-e5fc3c3bcf53] | Jul 17 16:29 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Sparky 5.8 “Nibiru” http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125992 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cfd78584-8948-4afb-9005-26c2164508db] | Jul 17 16:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125991 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c4f3f606-d835-4bce-b145-bf8cf2290d37] | Jul 17 16:36 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: From Linux to cloud, why Red Hat matters for every enterprise http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125989 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6700a92f-dbfe-428c-b608-a8532a57c571] | Jul 17 16:38 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: When Choosing Your Commercial Linux, Choose Wisely! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125988 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a72fc074-e889-42f5-bcb8-cecc01b13117] | Jul 17 16:39 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125993 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f866c1bc-dc58-4259-b132-5cbd63eea82b] | Jul 17 16:57 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 100 Essential Linux Commands for Every User http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125994 [https://pleroma.site/objects/58efea7f-f60c-4568-8b0b-c615c8fe05d9] | Jul 17 17:08 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: Genome Browsers, EtherCalc and Curl http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125995 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e804efdc-dd9a-41f7-bb9a-c559a7a5195b] | Jul 17 17:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM, Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125996 [https://pleroma.site/objects/48f14afc-8b8c-4aab-96cb-fd7fec7ddc9b] | Jul 17 17:27 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Google, Money and Censorship in Free Software communities http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125997 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d290844b-99f9-48a6-8a55-3b64844a25ba] | Jul 17 17:29 | |
| -->pidgin_log (~roy@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 17:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Systemd 243 and Linux 5.3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125998 [https://pleroma.site/objects/582e47ed-2ccc-49e8-8061-f4ff4c80b50a] | Jul 17 17:31 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to schestowitz amarsh04 pidgin_log | Jul 17 17:52 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: 20190717_102437.jpg (4297KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/qrnVHJLAFAqCrcasucwYLmmy > | Jul 17 18:01 | |
| XRevan86 | Can I get a mortgage with that photograph? | Jul 17 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Mandy is a girl? | Jul 17 18:05 |
| *XRevan86 is trying to understand what that licence is for. | Jul 17 18:05 | |
| XRevan86 | It is given to a state official? | Jul 17 18:07 |
| XRevan86 | but then, why is there a need for a middle-man? | Jul 17 18:07 |
| XRevan86 | and why is there a mention of a celebration then %) | Jul 17 18:08 |
| *XRevan86 suspects that this is a way to give marriage ceremonies legal authority. | Jul 17 18:09 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy is a girl? | Jul 17 18:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Nope. He's a man. He's from the Philippines. | Jul 17 18:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: A marriage license, in Illinois, is effective the day after it's issued. You can take it to a judge or a religious official and have them officiate the wedding. | Jul 17 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As soon as they return it to the clerk of the court, the marriage is entered into the state records and becomes official. | Jul 17 18:11 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: But why is it a thing? Why can't a judge just do their thing? | Jul 17 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're going to see the judge on Monday. | Jul 17 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got the license this morning. | Jul 17 18:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have to ask a bunch of questions and issue the license, which is saying that the marriage would be legal under the laws of the state. | Jul 17 18:12 |
| *XRevan86 checks lyrics of "Mandy" for a mention of gender. | Jul 17 18:12 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's basically a permission slip. Then you can take it to a judge or a priest or rabbi or whatever. | Jul 17 18:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The clerk's office made two errors on the original form. | Jul 17 18:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Had to shred it and print up a new one. | Jul 17 18:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They spelled my mom's name wrong and put down that Mandy was a woman. | Jul 17 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I found both errors before we got the license printed, thankfully. | Jul 17 18:14 |
| XRevan86 | In Soviet Russia marriage is registered in the civil registry. | Jul 17 18:16 |
| *XRevan86 tried to get a reversal in there, alas unsuccessfully | Jul 17 18:17 | |
| XRevan86 | Hence why I find the idea of a permission slip peculiar. | Jul 17 18:17 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Anyway, congrats :) | Jul 17 18:20 |
| XRevan86 | Not everything is about technicalities after all :) | Jul 17 18:21 |
| scientes | XRevan86, reversal? | Jul 17 19:08 |
| scientes | the US is interesting because the federal government doesn't have a list of marriages, and cannot issue a certificate of no impediment | Jul 17 19:08 |
| scientes | so you can get married as many times as you want :) | Jul 17 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "In Soviet Russia accusative accuses YOU" | Jul 17 19:10 |
| scientes | oh | Jul 17 19:11 |
| scientes | that is what Soviet Russia has been reduced to | Jul 17 19:11 |
| scientes | a formula joke | Jul 17 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Honestly, if I didn't try to use the formula, I would've said "USSR" :) | Jul 17 19:12 |
| XRevan86 | or RSFSR | Jul 17 19:12 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JbLsYoL3ug | Jul 17 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Paul McCartney - Back In The USSR (Live - Reprise) - YouTube | Jul 17 19:12 | |
| scientes | oh the irony | Jul 17 19:12 |
| scientes | Moscow | Jul 17 19:12 |
| scientes | RSFSR | Jul 17 19:13 |
| scientes | hadn't heard that one | Jul 17 19:13 |
| scientes | Breznev doctrine stuff | Jul 17 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I wonder if Pet Shop Boys ever performed Go West here (: | Jul 17 19:14 |
| scientes | which was actually a parody of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCJ5j7oVWc | Jul 17 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chuck Berry - Back In The U.S.A. - YouTube | Jul 17 19:14 | |
| *XRevan86 didn't know that. | Jul 17 19:15 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's more groovy | Jul 17 19:15 |
| scientes | this was his big hit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD80CostTV0 | Jul 17 19:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chuck Berry - Roll Over Beethoven - YouTube | Jul 17 19:15 | |
| XRevan86 | I heard the ELO version | Jul 17 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I like his accent, easy to understand even in song. | Jul 17 19:17 |
| scientes | "roll over Beethovan, tell Tchaikovsky the news" | Jul 17 19:18 |
| scientes | well the beatles song is actually one of angst | Jul 17 19:20 |
| scientes | there was just so much money in the US at the time lots of people didn't know what to do with it | Jul 17 19:21 |
| scientes | while Chuck Berry was just appreciating it at face value | Jul 17 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | No matter, in the end all is well: everyone loses. https://images.stopgame.ru/uploads/images/305327/form/2015/01/25/1422205513.jpg | Jul 17 19:25 |
| scientes | I actually left the US because I also had more money that I knew what to do with | Jul 17 19:25 |
| scientes | however that feeling had been scrubbed from the culture | Jul 17 19:26 |
| scientes | and you still can't invest in anything, for many reasons | Jul 17 19:26 |
| scientes | so you really can't do anything with the money | Jul 17 19:26 |
| scientes | unless you leave | Jul 17 19:26 |
| -->pav5088 (~pav5088@n49-198-159-220.mrk1.qld.optusnet.com.au) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 19:36 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, indeed, in the end everyone is a looser | Jul 17 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, I'm a tightener | Jul 17 19:44 |
| scientes | damn, you can't shadow a variable while using the variable you are shadowing | Jul 17 19:44 |
| scientes | IrInstruction *result = ir_const_type(ira, &instruction->base, result->value.type); | Jul 17 19:44 |
| scientes | doesn't work | Jul 17 19:45 |
| scientes | hell this is even part of the 16th century "Utopia" | Jul 17 19:50 |
| -->x003n (~n@ip24-254-83-207.sb.sd.cox.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 19:50 | |
| scientes | i should finish that book | Jul 17 19:51 |
| scientes | but its kinda hard to get english books down here | Jul 17 19:51 |
| scientes | (and its written in latin because ENglish was such a shitty language then) | Jul 17 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | https://pleroma.site/objects/ab9830bc-acc8-41fd-a3ac-7e185d5da405 wait, what? | Jul 17 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jul 17 20:51 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: There isn't any .NET in nginx. Where did that come from? | Jul 17 20:59 |
| scientes | didn't you know, NGINX got taken over by microsoft :) | Jul 17 21:00 |
| scientes | part of the Russian economic woahs | Jul 17 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's owned by F5 now. It's still in C | Jul 17 21:03 |
| scientes | oh wow, nginx got bought out! | Jul 17 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | That F5 that mentioned yesterday, yes. | Jul 17 21:04 |
| scientes | only yesterday? | Jul 17 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | I know very little about who the heck are they. | Jul 17 21:04 |
| scientes | cause like last week I was an add for nginx that said engineers must be fluent in Russian | Jul 17 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Um, no, we were talking about the Linux Foundation domain yesterday. | Jul 17 21:04 |
| scientes | NGINX, Inc. (web server and application server vendor) for US$670 million on March 11, 2019[25] | Jul 17 21:04 |
| scientes | quite recent | Jul 17 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | nmap and netcraft detect the OS their as F5 something. | Jul 17 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | * That F5 that was mentioned | Jul 17 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, pretty recent stuff. | Jul 17 21:06 |
| MinceR | i used f5's VPN (which they didn't dare call a VPN) | Jul 17 21:07 |
| MinceR | it was horribly crap | Jul 17 21:07 |
| scientes | i just get a scaleway VPS for 3eu/mo with unlimited bandwidth | Jul 17 21:07 |
| scientes | well actually, i wanted a vps in the US so i got a differn't VPS | Jul 17 21:07 |
| MinceR | it was VPN software, not VPN service | Jul 17 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | They claim they're not planning on turning nginx into crap, but I guess time will tell. | Jul 17 21:07 |
| scientes | good money | Jul 17 21:08 |
| MinceR | yeah, that's what they always say | Jul 17 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why would you want commercial VPN software? | Jul 17 21:08 |
| scientes | $670 mil | Jul 17 21:08 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't | Jul 17 21:08 |
| scientes | MinceR, use WireGuard | Jul 17 21:08 |
| MinceR | my former client wanted it | Jul 17 21:08 |
| scientes | it kicks ass | Jul 17 21:08 |
| MinceR | i would have preferred OpenVPN because that actually works | Jul 17 21:08 |
| scientes | openvpn is slow as balls | Jul 17 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Is it? | Jul 17 21:09 |
| scientes | and WireGuard works well | Jul 17 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Just make sure you use it over UDP. | Jul 17 21:09 |
| scientes | still slow as balls | Jul 17 21:09 |
| scientes | https://www.wireguard.com/performance/ | Jul 17 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Benchmarks - WireGuard | Jul 17 21:09 | |
| scientes | slow. as. | Jul 17 21:09 |
| scientes | balls. | Jul 17 21:10 |
| scientes | the only reason to use OpenVPN is if you need layer 2 tunnel | Jul 17 21:10 |
| scientes | WireGuard is level 3 only | Jul 17 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You put such emphasis on being slow as balls I've got to wonder how slow as balls anyway? | Jul 17 21:11 |
| scientes | i have no idea | Jul 17 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | Are we talking about football balls or baseball balls? | Jul 17 21:11 |
| scientes | its just some slang i don't know where i picked it up | Jul 17 21:11 |
| scientes | and i'm pretty sure its referring to testicles | Jul 17 21:11 |
| scientes | it doesn't really make much sense either | Jul 17 21:12 |
| scientes | slow as molasses on the other hand is a real english idiom | Jul 17 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | testicles of an athlete or a veteran with an amputated leg? | Jul 17 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | Urban Dictionary has an answer | Jul 17 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | not really good to know | Jul 17 21:13 |
| scientes | https://edp.org/molasses.htm | Jul 17 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edp.org | Eric Postpischil’s Molasses Disaster Pages | Jul 17 21:14 | |
| scientes | hahahahahahaha | Jul 17 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | I think I read about that | Jul 17 21:14 |
| scientes | its big business where i'm from | Jul 17 21:15 |
| scientes | for feeding to cows | Jul 17 21:15 |
| scientes | but given that congress hates sugar, and prefers maize, i'm not sure... | Jul 17 21:16 |
| scientes | hell i'm giving them too much credit | Jul 17 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | molasses can be made from corn | Jul 17 21:17 |
| scientes | is a viscous product resulting from refining sugarcane or sugar beets into sugar | Jul 17 21:17 |
| scientes | not according to wikipedia | Jul 17 21:17 |
| scientes | corn isn't even sweet for god's sake | Jul 17 21:18 |
| scientes | that shit they grow tastes like shit, and there is so much damn waste material | Jul 17 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | from corn starch | Jul 17 21:19 |
| scientes | I even wrote a parody once | Jul 17 21:19 |
| scientes | "Penelope Content With Diet Composed Almost Entirely of Corn" | Jul 17 21:19 |
| MinceR | corn does have a lot of starch in it, which can be converted into simpler sugars | Jul 17 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_starch | Jul 17 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | > Corn starch is a common food ingredient, used in thickening sauces or soups, and in making corn syrup and other sugars. | Jul 17 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Corn starch - Wikipedia | Jul 17 21:20 | |
| scientes | which was inspired by this https://www.theonion.com/venus-horrified-after-finding-millions-of-nude-pictures-1826051100 | Jul 17 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-storybreak stars');background-repeat:no-repeat;background-position:center}.above-headline-image .video-embed__caption,.above-headline-image figcaption,.editor .editor-inner .video-embed__caption,.editor .editor-inner figcaption,.featured-post__featured-media-caption .video-embed__caption,.featured-post__featured-media-caption figcaption,.post-content .video-embed__caption,.post-content figcaption{position:relative;font-family:" ... | Jul 17 21:20 | |
| MinceR | iirc this can also be done to cellulose | Jul 17 21:20 |
| scientes | but I don't think enough people have any idea who Penelope is | Jul 17 21:20 |
| MinceR | Penelope Pitstop? | Jul 17 21:20 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to x003n pav5088 | Jul 17 21:20 | |
| scientes | no, heroine of The Odyssey | Jul 17 21:21 |
| scientes | wife of Odysseus | Jul 17 21:21 |
| scientes | mother of Telemachus | Jul 17 21:21 |
| scientes | you have to read The Odyssey.... | Jul 17 21:22 |
| XRevan86 | The free software community has certainly changed in the past few years… | Jul 17 21:48 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 17 21:53 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/26/872f297f59f7cb60.jpg | Jul 17 21:55 |
| <--cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) | Jul 17 22:07 | |
| -->cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 22:17 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/26/cfc183e8b6ed98b2.jpg | Jul 17 22:33 |
| scientes | https://lwn.net/Articles/793874/ | Jul 17 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://lwn.net/Articles/793874/ ) | Jul 17 22:34 | |
| scientes | oh my bad, its subscriber content | Jul 17 22:34 |
| MinceR | there's some way to provide a working link to those too, isn't there? | Jul 17 22:35 |
| scientes | https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/793874/13a2dc75ef917ce7/ | Jul 17 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora, GNOME Software, and snap [LWN.net] | Jul 17 22:35 | |
| MinceR | thx | Jul 17 22:35 |
| scientes | Canonical getting greedy again | Jul 17 22:35 |
| scientes | and those snap developers are friggen insane and stupid and fools | Jul 17 22:36 |
| MinceR | more like staying greedy :> | Jul 17 22:36 |
| scientes | I've dealt with them | Jul 17 22:36 |
| scientes | at least Fedora (and Debian) is technically competent | Jul 17 22:36 |
| scientes | Ubuntu once was doing great research on usability on desktop | Jul 17 22:36 |
| scientes | but they gave that up | Jul 17 22:36 |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure about that fedora and debian being technically competent | Jul 17 22:36 |
| scientes | they only care about building walled weed-beds | Jul 17 22:37 |
| scientes | and don't care one iota about weeding out the software they ship | Jul 17 22:37 |
| scientes | The new Snap store will obviously not support Flatpaks (or packages, or even firmware updates for that matter). | Jul 17 22:37 |
| scientes | and the firmware updates are great | Jul 17 22:37 |
| scientes | thanks canonical for being irrelevent | Jul 17 22:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 17 22:38 |
| MinceR | there was some talk of .deb packages that are just redirects to flatpak or something | Jul 17 22:38 |
| scientes | when ubuntu first launched there was resistance to restricted drivers, and then they just gave up | Jul 17 22:38 |
| scientes | and the snap people love to write slow crappy stuff | Jul 17 22:39 |
| scientes | and talk platitudes | Jul 17 22:39 |
| scientes | they are just envious of Google Play | Jul 17 22:39 |
| scientes | and ironically Google Play itsself is quickly becoming irrelevent, because of Google's participation in USD politics | Jul 17 22:39 |
| MinceR | Hughes claims flatpak has sandboxing | Jul 17 22:40 |
| MinceR | but i seem to remember reading about how that too is worthless | Jul 17 22:40 |
| scientes | but all those things are a big bunch of crap | Jul 17 22:40 |
| scientes | just ship regular fucking packages | Jul 17 22:40 |
| MinceR | USD? | Jul 17 22:40 |
| scientes | $ | Jul 17 22:40 |
| scientes | the US version of it | Jul 17 22:40 |
| MinceR | strange | Jul 17 22:40 |
| scientes | I think all these "platforms" are stupid | Jul 17 22:41 |
| scientes | we will see | Jul 17 22:42 |
| scientes | The following unmaintained translations have been removed: English - South Africa (en-ZA), | Jul 17 23:03 |
| scientes | hmm, a little bit of civil unrest there, eh | Jul 17 23:03 |
| <--cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | Jul 17 23:13 | |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/26/74994540100bf6d3.mp4 | Jul 17 23:22 |
| -->cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights | Jul 17 23:37 | |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/30/1f5d2089753e8f45.jpg | Jul 17 23:47 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to cubexyz | Jul 17 23:47 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CompuLab Turns An 8-Core/16-Thread Xeon, 64GB RAM, NVIDIA Quadro RTX 4000 Into Fan-Less Computer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125999 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b47a7230-658b-4f42-b447-281425357547] | Jul 18 00:13 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126000 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6c0e2061-2071-4e89-909f-9e666a8c05c1] | Jul 18 00:14 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: These Windows 10 Vs Pop OS Benchmarks Reveal A Surprising Truth About Linux Gaming Performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126001 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d5aa7006-eb44-4034-9a7f-f8449c1fba6a] | Jul 18 00:16 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126002 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f89b8840-7516-461e-94f2-b7a0be10e46c] | Jul 18 00:19 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sandboxing in flatpak is not 100 percent worthless. Part of the problem is the limitations of being stuck with X11 at this stage. | Jul 18 00:44 |
| oiaohm | scientes: snap is a lot more complex. https://docs.snapcraft.io/kernel-snap snap you techically can ship kernel + firmware. So yes you can do a firmware update and other evils with snap packages. | Jul 18 00:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.snapcraft.io | The kernel snap - Snap documentation | Jul 18 00:46 | |
| scientes | oh god | Jul 18 00:46 |
| scientes | that is madness | Jul 18 00:46 |
| scientes | glad i removed it | Jul 18 00:46 |
| oiaohm | flatpak does have applications requesting way more permissions then they truly need. | Jul 18 00:50 |
| oiaohm | But that been fairly much normal with all security attempts so far. | Jul 18 00:50 |
| scientes | android has done pretty well | Jul 18 00:51 |
| scientes | but SELinux is a nightmare if you want to do anything else with your system | Jul 18 00:51 |
| oiaohm | android still has the problems of applications asking for way too much in permissions still like facebook app asking for almost everything. | Jul 18 00:51 |
| scientes | only with old android versions | Jul 18 00:52 |
| scientes | facebook pinned because they don't want to give up permissions | Jul 18 00:52 |
| oiaohm | At somepoint flatpak will have to have a face off with application developers over permissions. | Jul 18 00:52 |
| scientes | or not | Jul 18 00:53 |
| scientes | this isn't android | Jul 18 00:53 |
| oiaohm | It will have to happen. Because there are apps in flatpak when you check permissions they have asked for stuff the program can never use. | Jul 18 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Opps flathub. | Jul 18 00:53 |
| oiaohm | scientes: if you talk to the flathub lead maintainers it is on the roadmap once portal system is complete enough to have permissions audit. Until thing flatpak has a sandbox but it not used the best way possible. | Jul 18 00:56 |
| <--pidgin_log has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Jul 18 01:06 | |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <XRevan86> schestowitz: There isn't any .NET in nginx. Where did that come from? | Jul 18 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | It's 3 A.M. I hate cats. | Jul 18 01:12 |
| schestowitz | A mono plug-in | Jul 18 01:12 |
| schestowitz | someone put that shit there | Jul 18 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: nginx doesn't have any binding support. | Jul 18 01:12 |
| schestowitz | today I nuked everything mono* from that server | Jul 18 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | Plug-ins even have to be compiled in. | Jul 18 01:13 |
| XRevan86 | As nginx doesn't support dynamic loading for performance reasons. | Jul 18 01:13 |
| XRevan86 | I cannot even begin to imagine a plug-in in .NET in this kind of environment. | Jul 18 01:14 |
| superkuh | https://xkcd.com/2044/ | Jul 18 01:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Sandboxing Cycle | Jul 18 01:14 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.mono-project.com/docs/web/fastcgi/nginx/ fastcgi intergration. It is possible to select it by mistake. | Jul 18 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mono-project.com | Nginx | Mono | Jul 18 01:15 | |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: fastcgi is not a plugin as such. You basically end up with server on server. | Jul 18 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: How can a line with fastcgi materialise by mistake? | Jul 18 01:17 |
| XRevan86 | But indeed I didn't know such a thing as fastcgi-mono-server exists. | Jul 18 01:18 |
| XRevan86 | But it does appear to be irrelevant. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | If you select to install everything nginx package releated like all the optional debainces magically you grow mono under debian. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | nginx-extra? | Jul 18 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Note I said optional packages. | Jul 18 01:20 |
| superkuh | I always just use the debian startup scripts, etc, then compile my own nginx binary. | Jul 18 01:20 |
| schestowitz | [22:35] <scientes> https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/793874/13a2dc75ef917ce7/ | Jul 18 01:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora, GNOME Software, and snap [LWN.net] | Jul 18 01:21 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks for the subs link | Jul 18 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: How though? | Jul 18 01:21 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: as in optional off the main nginx package. | Jul 18 01:22 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: not in fact named nginx | Jul 18 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | I'm looking at https://packages.debian.org/sid/nginx-extras right now. | Jul 18 01:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-packages.debian.org | Debian -- Details of package nginx-extras in sid | Jul 18 01:22 | |
| XRevan86 | I do not see it. | Jul 18 01:22 |
| oiaohm | This is something apt/aptidute solves its looking at the other side. Where you are looking is mandoraty depenancies. | Jul 18 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: packages.debian.org even shows suggested | Jul 18 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | adep, dep, rec, sug | Jul 18 01:25 |
| oiaohm | depends. recommends suggests enhances you see on debian packages. There is a extra mode optional that pulls in all packages that say they depend on the package. | Jul 18 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Optional is one hell of a way to ruin a image for cloud deploy. | Jul 18 01:27 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I don't get what you mean | Jul 18 01:27 |
| oiaohm | If a package has in it description it depends on nginx for example. You run apt/aptudide in optional mode it will install it it. | Jul 18 01:28 |
| XRevan86 | There's some way to fetch all packages that depend on nginx (apart from aptitude's extended search) and there are people who do that? | Jul 18 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is. Its in basic apt is as well. But doing so is total nuts. | Jul 18 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: So I can get everything that depends on PostgreSQL or MariaDB? | Jul 18 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jul 18 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | That sounds like an extremely useful feature (not). | Jul 18 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Totally agree. | Jul 18 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: So, why did you mention it %) | Jul 18 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz used it you think? | Jul 18 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Because if someone has done that there will be a lot more crap than just mono. | Jul 18 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | I can imagine. | Jul 18 01:31 |
| oiaohm | worst one is if you happen to choose the glibc and say install everything that depends on that. | Jul 18 01:31 |
| oiaohm | That is how to install 80+% of debian in 1 command. | Jul 18 01:32 |
| oiaohm | someways it a feature that needs to be removed at some point. | Jul 18 01:33 |
| XRevan86 | After all, there's always aptitude install !~i | Jul 18 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Yep package manager can basically attempt to blow you feet off if you are careless with it. | Jul 18 01:38 |
| oiaohm | When you find stuff that should not be installed it really does pay to read down the complete package installed list looking for anything else extra. | Jul 18 01:39 |
| oiaohm | I yet to find a case where php/mono... that was not need on a server was installed and they were the only extra item there. | Jul 18 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | It always helps not to be careless. | Jul 18 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Being human unfortantly means we always contain a little bit of careless. | Jul 18 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | One question is left unanswered: how did Mono-related warnings end up in nginx' logs | Jul 18 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: That is true. Especially when cats and mosquitoes prevent one from sleeping during the night. | Jul 18 01:43 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126003 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e87710c7-6b6c-4650-b26a-fde2554e32ed] | Jul 18 01:43 | |
| oiaohm | If it configured and mono fastcgi is not running that will generate a error. | Jul 18 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Why are you thinking it is configured? | Jul 18 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Its just the most common way I have seen it. | Jul 18 01:45 |
| oiaohm | If it not configured nginx would normally not error. | Jul 18 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | Hard to imagine schestowitz putting Mono FastCGI configuration into sites-available/ at all, ever. | Jul 18 01:45 |
| oiaohm | even if mono was installed and not running. | Jul 18 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Hmm you are right this being schestowitz this is a lot more odd. | Jul 18 01:48 |
| oiaohm | I was thinking general. | Jul 18 01:48 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126004 [https://pleroma.site/objects/08075261-c553-43f5-af2e-642cc06824e4] | Jul 18 01:58 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Android, VR and Rust http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126005 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b5983d4e-9e08-4ac4-8379-5f6da6415581] | Jul 18 02:00 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu/Fedora GNOME Feud and GNOME's Sriram Ramkrishna http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126006 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5fe4a62f-b0e0-4134-9c58-214db54a43d3] | Jul 18 02:02 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Linux 5.2 Dissection, New Patches, New ZDNet (CBS) FUD and Kali NetHunter App Store http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126007 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6ec61aa5-d776-423a-89ab-e5953ae4b44c] | Jul 18 02:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE: KDevelop 5.3.3 Released, Latte Dock Update and Release of Kaidan 0.4.1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126008 [https://pleroma.site/objects/47c13113-3f7b-4f4e-a826-975c97017a8d] | Jul 18 02:35 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Windows vs Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126009 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f460dd06-8418-498c-ae28-41178a973690] | Jul 18 02:38 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Windows vs Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126009 [https://pleroma.site/objects/02ad2573-e819-4cb1-801b-ddba9d9d1dcf] | Jul 18 02:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Linux in the Ham Shack, FLOSS Weekly, Test and Code http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126010 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c9f75321-94d9-44f8-b18a-480e6ee43dfa] | Jul 18 02:49 | |
| <--pav5088 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Jul 18 02:55 | |
| <--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) | Jul 18 03:14 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Operating Systems: Debian, Clear Linux, OpenSUSE and #Vista10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126011 [https://pleroma.site/objects/517d5146-2e48-4e88-8449-4fb6bbd04951] | Jul 18 03:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New Pinebook Pro Video Demos 4K Video, External Monitor, and WebGL http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126012 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e4cd6d15-dac7-45dc-9988-0ce000513ac9] | Jul 18 04:01 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Productivity Software/LibreOffice http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126013 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f191a29b-b301-44ee-abee-042641086476] | Jul 18 04:08 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New Arch Linux-Based Endeavour OS Launches To Keep Spirit Of Antergos Alive http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126014 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c5c80be2-8091-4aec-ad6f-e4129817af00] | Jul 18 04:12 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: GuC/HuC, ZFS, X.Org and Mesa http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126015 [https://pleroma.site/objects/523d649d-dcc4-4cf8-9c70-2ac6305c65db] | Jul 18 04:20 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Open Source Initiative and Linux Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126016 [https://pleroma.site/objects/89a9776f-598c-4815-9728-6161ae52fd9a] | Jul 18 04:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos and programming bits http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126017 [https://pleroma.site/objects/37e55c14-f669-42cc-b586-cb1c6b0abd66] | Jul 18 04:26 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM, Fedora, and Servers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126018 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1498577a-d737-4130-b53f-24aed90304a0] | Jul 18 04:29 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: GnuCash, Health-check and Xsnow http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126019 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd80beab-bc2c-4925-a798-2772bbab4462] | Jul 18 04:32 | |
| <--razielle_tzu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) | Jul 18 05:41 | |
| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/26/deda84340d61c9d1.mp4 | Jul 18 07:38 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/eI5B37q | Jul 18 08:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Team grandma - Album on Imgur | Jul 18 08:00 | |
| <--kaniini has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) | Jul 18 08:04 | |
| -->kaniini (~kaniini@2602:ffdb:100:1:fc89:b2ff:fee1:323e) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 08:05 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to kaniini | Jul 18 08:10 | |
| <--danielinux has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | Jul 18 08:46 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A Look Back (and Forward) at Friendly Programming http://techrights.org/2019/07/18/figosdev-on-fig/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/7da76ad7-7895-4a8d-8089-eb56199751e9] | Jul 18 09:15 | |
| -->danielinux (sbnc@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 09:16 | |
| <--danielinux has quit (Changing host) | Jul 18 09:16 | |
| -->danielinux (sbnc@fosdem/staff/danielinux) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 09:16 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126020 [https://pleroma.site/objects/be3f5336-66bd-4594-b176-0bcfaa60db7e] | Jul 18 09:56 | |
| schestowitz | kaniini: possible DC issues? | Jul 18 11:45 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: never mind, seems like ISP routing issue at my end | Jul 18 11:48 |
| schestowitz | now all fine | Jul 18 11:48 |
| schestowitz | a 2-minute glitch | Jul 18 11:49 |
| kaniini | ok | Jul 18 11:49 |
| kaniini | could also be DDoS again | Jul 18 11:50 |
| schestowitz | let me think | Jul 18 11:51 |
| schestowitz | thought aloud with Rianne just moments ago, based on symptoms | Jul 18 11:51 |
| schestowitz | but the html validator could r reach the site at the time | Jul 18 11:51 |
| schestowitz | so I thought, maybe our end only | Jul 18 11:51 |
| schestowitz | ssh was not responsive for at least 2 minutes | Jul 18 11:52 |
| schestowitz | but after that it just magically resumed, connection not dropped | Jul 18 11:52 |
| schestowitz | it happened just as I published this http://techrights.org/2019/07/18/josefsson-et-al-on-g219/ very important last part | Jul 18 11:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Looney Tunes – Part 4: G 2/19 – Faites Vos Jeux… | Techrights | Jul 18 11:58 | |
| schestowitz | (just sharing it in case if helps debugging of some DC-level issue, maybe a sudden flood of packets... all is good now) | Jul 18 11:59 |
| schestowitz | HV | Jul 18 11:59 |
| schestowitz | localhost:~$ uptime | Jul 18 11:59 |
| schestowitz | 10:59:37 up 232 days, 13:38, load average: 3.10, 2.63, 2.55 | Jul 18 11:59 |
| schestowitz | almost a year now. yay! | Jul 18 11:59 |
| <--x003n has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) | Jul 18 12:01 | |
| -->x003n (~n@ip24-254-83-207.sb.sd.cox.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 12:04 | |
| schestowitz | kaniini: it seems to be happening again | Jul 18 12:05 |
| schestowitz | and I noticed while posting to pleroma there was a long lag, too (maybe not related) | Jul 18 12:06 |
| kaniini | seems fine here | Jul 18 12:06 |
| kaniini | probably your end | Jul 18 12:06 |
| schestowitz | I hope so | Jul 18 12:07 |
| schestowitz | it's fine again, maybe a routing issue somewhere | Jul 18 12:07 |
| schestowitz | ok, all done http://techrights.org/2019/07/18/g-219-eba-epo/ | Jul 18 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index: G 2/19 (Enlarged Board of Appeal, EPO) | Techrights | Jul 18 12:22 | |
| schestowitz | folks, If you can double-check after me, to ensure no typos/mistakes/errors, it would help a lot. It's possible that something gets lost/distorted 'in translation' though I do my best... | Jul 18 12:22 |
| schestowitz | this is a major series, can impact Europe's patent policy | Jul 18 12:22 |
| -->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 12:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126021 [https://pleroma.site/objects/160f2297-73b9-464b-ab33-e9e8218c3dcf] | Jul 18 12:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126022 [https://pleroma.site/objects/191c5268-e729-40cb-9aa2-770c9b9fec40] | Jul 18 12:37 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126023 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1da730cb-487e-447e-89ea-1d107ee9d19f] | Jul 18 12:44 | |
| -->razielle_tzu (~Razibutt@213.31.55.104) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 12:55 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 18/7/2019: #OPNsense 19.7, #Krita 4.2.3 and #KDevelop 5.3.3 Released http://techrights.org/2019/07/18/krita-4-2-3-released/ #techrights [https://pleroma.site/objects/0e3738fc-d8b5-4bbe-850e-281aa4111d2c] | Jul 18 13:01 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Shrinking Linux Attack Surfaces http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126025 [https://pleroma.site/objects/de476984-00b7-4099-bd86-1c3b0935f644] | Jul 18 13:28 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Concept of Hard Links in Linux Explained http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126024 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d2f868da-9b31-4aa5-bf47-e232c22b05d6] | Jul 18 13:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Evan's Remains, Path of Titans, GIGABUSTER, SpriteStack http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126026 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9647b94c-2b9a-44e8-ae2f-897670795411] | Jul 18 13:44 | |
| <--amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 18 13:50 | |
| -->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-229-237.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 14:01 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latte Dock, first beta for v0.9 (v0.8.97) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126027 [https://pleroma.site/objects/832e7e36-9d6b-465d-8c9d-543ac70bfce7] | Jul 18 14:26 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux File Manager: Top 20 Reviewed for Linux Users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126028 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6e4ee0c8-eeea-435f-a385-d07ab1949089] | Jul 18 14:28 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #EndeavourOS 2019.07.15 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126029 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c5dd14cb-d06c-4791-b5a9-54732cc726c1] | Jul 18 14:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat/IBM and Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126030 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e0b6afd7-5bb1-4a09-bca3-991a4dcd7ac6] | Jul 18 14:53 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Operating-System-Directed Power-Management (OSPM) Summit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126031 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fbf603ba-7d12-417f-9c72-18576bf2c785] | Jul 18 15:05 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How the Open Source Operating System Has Silently Won Over the World http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126032 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c52233a1-0865-48f5-9ad6-218f0ae23c46] | Jul 18 15:19 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Linux 5.3, DragonFlyBSD Takes Linux Bits, LWN Paywall Expires for Recent Articles http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126033 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b1e221bf-2fc8-4021-bae1-8bbae796cf19] | Jul 18 15:23 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man danielinux amarsh04 x003n | Jul 18 16:34 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to razielle_tzu | Jul 18 16:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos and programming bits http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126034 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ee64db14-801e-448d-b1f8-a5dd724028e0] | Jul 18 16:51 | |
| -->gde33 (~gde33@62-145-203-170.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 16:52 | |
| schestowitz | kaniini: | Jul 18 17:23 |
| schestowitz | > PS. From dmesg, there are over a score of these warnings: | Jul 18 17:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 18 17:23 |
| schestowitz | > [19086807.858046] TCP: request_sock_TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port | Jul 18 17:23 |
| schestowitz | > 5901. Sending cookies. Check SNMP counters. | Jul 18 17:23 |
| schestowitz | maybe related to this (mentioned around the time we spoke about it) | Jul 18 17:23 |
| kaniini | maybe someone flooded your site | Jul 18 17:23 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to gde33 | Jul 18 17:25 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19060756 | Jul 18 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 18 18:02 | |
| scientes | I wonder if i can incorporate as a 501 c 3 to avoid taxes | Jul 18 18:26 |
| scientes | i mean its all open source | Jul 18 18:26 |
| scientes | so its all for the public good | Jul 18 18:26 |
| scientes | I mean its working fine for the Linux Foundation | Jul 18 18:27 |
| scientes | oh linux foundation is 501(c)(6) organization | Jul 18 18:28 |
| scientes | "The membership dues are tax-deductible in full unless a substantial part of the 501(c)(6) organization's activities consists of political activit" | Jul 18 18:29 |
| scientes | oh 501c6 is also tax deductable | Jul 18 18:29 |
| scientes | oh this looks great | Jul 18 18:30 |
| scientes | fucking fascists | Jul 18 18:42 |
| scientes | On the other hand, a hobby is not a business; thus, an organization that promotes the common interests of hobbyists does not qualify for exemption as a business league. | Jul 18 18:42 |
| scientes | all those damn parasites at the linux foundation | Jul 18 18:47 |
| scientes | and their tax free money | Jul 18 18:47 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Corsair Force MP600 PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD Benchmarks On Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126035 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f16abdf0-3f40-4cc0-962a-2c958902bc6a] | Jul 18 18:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 'Linux' Foundation is Acting Like a #Microsoft ISV Now, Commitment to #Linux and FOSS Deteriorates Even Further http://techrights.org/2019/07/18/lf-as-microsoft-isv/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/dd1e02e3-c6c4-4ae3-b479-5cf9756c8887] | Jul 18 19:20 | |
| oiaohm | scientes: when you think about it using the Linux foundation its cheaper to devel OS using it than inside your own company. | Jul 18 20:20 |
| MinceR | scientes: you could start a church | Jul 18 20:21 |
| MinceR | "I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is!" | Jul 18 20:22 |
| -->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 20:22 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to Firee | Jul 18 20:22 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: depending on the country church does not always get you tax protection. | Jul 18 20:24 |
| MinceR | well, then you need to start it in one where it does | Jul 18 20:24 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/PgsPOgR | Jul 18 20:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My first big dump ❤️ - Album on Imgur | Jul 18 20:45 | |
| XRevan86 | > https://i.imgur.com/8QWcNL8.jpg | Jul 18 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This post will offend so many people | Jul 18 20:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | "Poland is Central Europe, not Eastern!!!" | Jul 18 20:51 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfKZclMWS1U | Jul 18 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz (HD) - YouTube | Jul 18 20:52 | |
| *XRevan86 opens Wikipedia | Jul 18 20:52 | |
| XRevan86 | Бжячыщыкевич | Jul 18 20:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 18 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | Бжачыщикевич | Jul 18 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | Бжачищикевич | Jul 18 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | theer | Jul 18 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | there | Jul 18 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | Bzhachyshchykievich | Jul 18 20:55 |
| MinceR | why not Old Church Slavonic then? | Jul 18 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't know the rules well enough. | Jul 18 20:56 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 20:56 |
| XRevan86 | Do you mean like "Бжѧчищикевич"? | Jul 18 20:56 |
| XRevan86 | restoring the nasal vowel | Jul 18 20:56 |
| MinceR | something like that, yes | Jul 18 20:56 |
| XRevan86 | The so-called little yus | Jul 18 20:57 |
| *XRevan86 wonders if combinations like "чы" and "щы" were ever proper. | Jul 18 20:58 | |
| MinceR | sure, in polish :> | Jul 18 20:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And Ukrainian, yea. | Jul 18 20:58 |
| XRevan86 | But probably not in an older Slavic language and not in Russian. | Jul 18 20:58 |
| XRevan86 | As these sounds were introduced with palatalisation in Proto-Slavic (similiar to in English with ac-t-ion → ac-ch-ion) | Jul 18 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | s/these sounds/this sound/ | Jul 18 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | So it used to be always slender as a result. | Jul 18 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | (ж and ш used to be the same way) | Jul 18 21:01 |
| scientes | MinceR, it works for the scientologists | Jul 18 21:03 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 18 21:03 |
| scientes | its actually a great way to avoid the US govt. | Jul 18 21:04 |
| scientes | because US politicians are afraid of the religousness of Americans | Jul 18 21:04 |
| scientes | that is why people always hid from the gov in churches | Jul 18 21:04 |
| scientes | *hide | Jul 18 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | I forgot about the name: Гжегож Бжѧчищикевич %). | Jul 18 21:04 |
| scientes | or otherwise side-step the government | Jul 18 21:04 |
| scientes | XRevan86, who is that? | Jul 18 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: From the video title MinceR gave. | Jul 18 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | I would've saved myself some trouble if I opened the video first :) | Jul 18 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | Wikipedia spells his name like "Гжегош Бженчищикевич" | Jul 18 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | A voiceless consonant at the end of the first name looks like a mistake. | Jul 18 21:11 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 18 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | "ę" → "en" – it does sound like that… | Jul 18 21:12 |
| MinceR | they got that right in the ukrainian wikipedia article | Jul 18 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yeah | Jul 18 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | but they used the wrong letter for "ie" :) | Jul 18 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | Е instead of Є | Jul 18 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | "Ґжеґож Бженчищикєвіч" phonetically, "Ґжеґож Бжачищикевич" adapted | Jul 18 21:14 |
| scientes | lol | Jul 18 21:15 |
| scientes | ok that was pretty funny | Jul 18 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | In Greater Russian: "Гжегож Бженчышчыкевич" phonetically, "Гжегож Бжачищикевич" adapted. | Jul 18 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | When converting spelling from one Slavic language to another, there are almost always two ways to do it | Jul 18 21:18 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 21:19 |
| MinceR | the right way and the wrong way? | Jul 18 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | Well, like with "Carl Marx" | Jul 18 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | The literal and appropriated ways | Jul 18 21:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 21:19 |
| MinceR | Carl Marks | Jul 18 21:19 |
| MinceR | and his archenemy, Mark Carls | Jul 18 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: How you made me wonder what that surname means :) | Jul 18 21:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 18 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | oh, it's just Marcus | Jul 18 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | but shortened | Jul 18 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | "Carl Marcs" then | Jul 18 21:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 21:21 |
| XRevan86 | But then again, the English never reflect clippings in writing :) | Jul 18 21:23 |
| MinceR | removing word endings from latin and greek words doesn't count? :> | Jul 18 21:25 |
| MinceR | (mainly names) | Jul 18 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, I mean when a vowel between two consonants disappears | Jul 18 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | like in "laboratory" | Jul 18 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | (there are even two standard English ways to do it in this particular word) | Jul 18 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | laboratry, labratory | Jul 18 21:26 |
| MinceR | labratry | Jul 18 21:27 |
| MinceR | also, slurring :> | Jul 18 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | lbrtry | Jul 18 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | srbs no need vwls | Jul 18 21:29 |
| MinceR | srpski | Jul 18 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | do you spk it? | Jul 18 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | (they just don't reflect schwas in writing) | Jul 18 21:30 |
| MinceR | no | Jul 18 21:30 |
| MinceR | also, blgarski :> | Jul 18 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | So "srpski" and "сербский" sound a lot more alike than one can expect | Jul 18 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | No, they reflect schwas. | Jul 18 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | with "Ъ" | Jul 18 21:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | "български" | Jul 18 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | Dunno now that sounds but I expect it to sound just like "болгарский" in Greater Russian. | Jul 18 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | As unstressed o's turn into schwas. | Jul 18 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | (in most accents) | Jul 18 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | Different rules, same result: sərbski, bəlgarski | Jul 18 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | I guess what I wanted to show with re-spelling the name is that the Polish alphabet is messed up %) | Jul 18 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | Gosh that thing is verbose. | Jul 18 21:41 |
| MinceR | it's not that messed up | Jul 18 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | There's always German | Jul 18 21:41 |
| MinceR | the pronunciation itself is messed up enough | Jul 18 21:42 |
| MinceR | yeah | Jul 18 21:42 |
| MinceR | Deutsche Sprache, schwere Sprache. | Jul 18 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | What surprises me about pronunciation is how complicated it all ended up after the partial loss of palatalisation. | Jul 18 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | Like, in Ukrainian the same thing just undid palatalisation and there's that. | Jul 18 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | b' → b, t' → t | Jul 18 21:43 |
| MinceR | what i don't quite get is why there is ż and ź | Jul 18 21:43 |
| MinceR | afaik there's no difference | Jul 18 21:43 |
| MinceR | and no other letter with a single dot on top | Jul 18 21:43 |
| MinceR | well, except for i | Jul 18 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: ź is the slender one, ż is the broad one | Jul 18 21:43 |
| MinceR | ah | Jul 18 21:44 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't know of any other language that has that distinction. It's kinda cool. | Jul 18 21:45 | |
| MinceR | i probably can't hear it anyway | Jul 18 21:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The broad one is like in Russian (жизнь), the slender one is like in English (visual) | Jul 18 21:46 |
| MinceR | i pronounce those the same, afaict | Jul 18 21:46 |
| MinceR | and if the distinction carried information, that would be lost to me upon hearing | Jul 18 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | In Russian it doesn't carry information, as there's no distinction %). | Jul 18 21:47 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 18 21:47 |
| MinceR | neither does it in english | Jul 18 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | In some words dialectally a slender one pops up. | Jul 18 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | like in "дрожжи" | Jul 18 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I suspect people will notice though (: | Jul 18 21:48 |
| MinceR | of course | Jul 18 21:48 |
| XRevan86 | will think I'm Russian or something | Jul 18 21:48 |
| MinceR | where are you from? | Jul 18 21:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Vay do you esk? | Jul 18 21:48 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 21:49 |
| MinceR | i thought you were russian | Jul 18 21:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I am :). | Jul 18 21:49 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 18 21:49 |
| XRevan86 | Just an attempt at irony | Jul 18 21:49 |
| XRevan86 | that this kind of pronunciation would fit "let me speak from my heart' well :) | Jul 18 21:51 |
| MinceR | i can't speak from my heart | Jul 18 21:51 |
| MinceR | i doubt i can even consciously control my heart | Jul 18 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | (I mean https://youtu.be/y6xNL41CB9o) | Jul 18 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Виталий Мутко Лет ми спик фром май харт - YouTube | Jul 18 21:52 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 18 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | O___O | Jul 18 21:53 |
| XRevan86 | What the actual… | Jul 18 21:53 |
| XRevan86 | In the search results for "let me speak for my heart" I got https://youtu.be/dD6Qe6mScxs | Jul 18 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Вечерний Ургант. Лет ми спик фром май харт! (29.09.2015) - YouTube | Jul 18 21:53 | |
| XRevan86 | "Evening Urgant" from TV | Jul 18 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | And the first guy whom they're asking… | Jul 18 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | Is that Vladimir Milov!? | Jul 18 21:54 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 21:55 |
| MinceR | is this a parody of the Mutko one? | Jul 18 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Satirising it, yes. | Jul 18 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | apparently by pranking pedestrians | Jul 18 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | so that they'd explain to an English person what's written on a sheet of paper | Jul 18 21:57 |
| MinceR | yeah, i got that | Jul 18 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | And the very first person they ask looks and sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Milov | Jul 18 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Vladimir Milov - Wikipedia | Jul 18 21:57 | |
| XRevan86 | The economist of Alexei Navalny | Jul 18 21:58 |
| MinceR | fidesz also have members with interesting knowledge of the english language | Jul 18 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | stuff happens, what do you know | Jul 18 21:58 |
| MinceR | s/ve/s/ | Jul 18 21:59 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1oOWJKo7Po | Jul 18 22:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ORBÁN VIKTOR IZ DER ENI KVESCSÖN MIX - YouTube | Jul 18 22:00 | |
| *XRevan86 now looks for older videos with Vladimir Milov to confirm whether it is indeed he. | Jul 18 22:01 | |
| XRevan86 | Hm, I guess it is not. He used to be skinnier, and this guy is… in the opposite direction. | Jul 18 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | (I confused him with this person: https://youtu.be/BghiCoCl5JQ) | Jul 18 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Владимир Милов в Нью Йорке, Запись 25 октября 2015 года. Vladimir Milov in New York - YouTube | Jul 18 22:04 | |
| MinceR | original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w49JXAY3jV4 | Jul 18 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Orbán Viktor megnevettette a brüsszeli sajtót - YouTube | Jul 18 22:04 | |
| MinceR | vi ár dzsaszt obszörvör hír | Jul 18 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | > Hungary is not under root anymore | Jul 18 22:05 |
| MinceR | i wish | Jul 18 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | orban:x:1000:100::/home/orban:/bin/bash ? | Jul 18 22:05 |
| MinceR | the equivalent of "root" ("gyökér") is slang for asshole (as in the person) | Jul 18 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | 0:23 what is he saying? | Jul 18 22:06 |
| MinceR | "exactly, hungary is not on the route anymore, so we are just observer here" | Jul 18 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah, "en route" | Jul 18 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What route is that? | Jul 18 22:08 |
| MinceR | the (probably imagined) migration route | Jul 18 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I see. | Jul 18 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | So I just lacked context. | Jul 18 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | Well, his English is not that bad. Very accented and with mistakes, but at a decent pace. | Jul 18 22:10 |
| <--x003n has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Jul 18 22:11 | |
| MinceR | that thick accent makes it sound ridiculous to me | Jul 18 22:11 |
| MinceR | it's like they aren't even trying because they don't have to | Jul 18 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I guess it's like when scientes didn't have a problem with the Mutko's accent :) | Jul 18 22:12 |
| -->x003n (~x003n@ip68-6-119-92.sb.sd.cox.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 22:12 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 22:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The thick accent of Mutko is embarassing to me as I want to put distance between me and that. | Jul 18 22:13 |
| MinceR | yeah, that could explain it | Jul 18 22:13 |
| XRevan86 | a bad influence I guess | Jul 18 22:13 |
| MinceR | these thick russian accents are more funny than cringy to me, probably because russian isn't my native language | Jul 18 22:13 |
| MinceR | while the thick hungarian accents are the other way around | Jul 18 22:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Same but the opposite :) | Jul 18 22:14 |
| XRevan86 | The Mutko's case I also find funny though, because he sounds as if it's the first time he saw English. | Jul 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | yeah, like they just wrote it down phonetically and he's reading it without understanding | Jul 18 22:15 |
| XRevan86 | yeah | Jul 18 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | That reminds me that Yanukovich was found to be writing his speeches in Ukrainian phonetically using the Greater Russian alphabet (can also be called "yeryzhka" in the Ukrainian's case). | Jul 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 18 22:18 |
| MinceR | fitting for putin's puppet | Jul 18 22:18 |
| <--x003n has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Jul 18 22:18 | |
| -->x003n (~x003n@ip24-254-83-207.sb.sd.cox.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 22:19 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to x003n | Jul 18 22:19 | |
| XRevan86 | Correlation doesn't mean causation :D | Jul 18 22:19 |
| MinceR | i didn't say it did :> | Jul 18 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: true | Jul 18 22:19 |
| scientes | I had one of these and it was pretty good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls_Razor | Jul 18 22:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Rolls Razor - Wikipedia | Jul 18 22:25 | |
| scientes | but even one I have gotten since I haven't been able to sharpen properly | Jul 18 22:25 |
| scientes | they are 100 years old and they have rusted | Jul 18 22:25 |
| <--x003n has quit (Changing host) | Jul 18 22:27 | |
| -->x003n (~x003n@unaffiliated/x003n) has joined #techrights | Jul 18 22:27 | |
| ---livingstone.freenode.net gives voice to x003n | Jul 18 22:27 | |
| ---ChanServ removes voice from x003n | Jul 18 22:27 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to x003n | Jul 18 22:27 | |
| <--zoobab has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) | Jul 18 22:29 | |
| scientes | "are not ready to keep their verds" | Jul 18 22:30 |
| scientes | "are not ready, or are not able to keep their vvvverds" | Jul 18 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | wörts | Jul 18 22:30 |
| scientes | yes | Jul 18 22:31 |
| scientes | at least he is asking to keep Europe European | Jul 18 22:31 |
| scientes | instead of inviting in an invasion | Jul 18 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_for_Russians | Jul 18 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russia for Russians - Wikipedia | Jul 18 22:32 | |
| MinceR | i was hoping that we could fit thrusters to it and move it to Antarctica | Jul 18 22:32 |
| scientes | XRevan86, more like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_and_Peace | Jul 18 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.m.wikipedia.org | War and Peace - Wikipedia | Jul 18 22:32 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: ? | Jul 18 22:34 |
| XRevan86 | It's a big book. | Jul 18 22:34 |
| scientes | yeah but a big theme is identity of Russia | Jul 18 22:34 |
| scientes | like if you talked about citizenship, I would refer you to Les Miserables | Jul 18 22:35 |
| scientes | The French Revolution gave new meaning to citizenship | Jul 18 22:35 |
| XRevan86 | should I read that one? (: | Jul 18 22:35 |
| scientes | well the musical is good | Jul 18 22:35 |
| scientes | the book is certainly long | Jul 18 22:35 |
| scientes | I read every page | Jul 18 22:36 |
| scientes | but it is damn long | Jul 18 22:36 |
| scientes | Les Miserables is also _extremely_ romantic | Jul 18 22:37 |
| XRevan86 | Identity of Russia… not the kind of framework I tend to think in… | Jul 18 22:39 |
| scientes | did you read it? | Jul 18 22:39 |
| scientes | I only on the first book | Jul 18 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: As a kid. | Jul 18 22:39 |
| scientes | but I did watch the Hollywood movie | Jul 18 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | And I didn't finish… | Jul 18 22:40 |
| XRevan86 | I've seen the Hollywood film and 2/3 of the Bondarchuk's one. | Jul 18 22:40 |
| scientes | Henry Fonda | Jul 18 22:40 |
| XRevan86 | Don't remember anything from either. | Jul 18 22:40 |
| scientes | and Audrey Hepburn | Jul 18 22:40 |
| scientes | I also tried to read Brother's Karamazov | Jul 18 22:41 |
| scientes | but I think I got more out of the excellent soviet film | Jul 18 22:41 |
| scientes | I think I read it, but it didn't stick the way Les Miserables did | Jul 18 22:42 |
| scientes | some books I read and I can quote them after, because they were so influential | Jul 18 22:42 |
| scientes | because the general decides to abandon Moscow to Napoleon in order to save Russia | Jul 18 22:43 |
| scientes | and then Napoleon waits to long and gets crushed by the winter | Jul 18 22:44 |
| *XRevan86 looked at images of Sergei Bondarchuk | Jul 18 22:44 | |
| XRevan86 | https://24smi.org/public/media/2017/4/6/06.jpg is showing this one legal? | Jul 18 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Othello_(1956_film) | Jul 18 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Othello (1956 film) - Wikipedia | Jul 18 22:46 | |
| scientes | I saw this live streamed in a theatre https://www.rsc.org.uk/othello/ | Jul 18 22:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rsc.org.uk | Othello | Royal Shakespeare Company | Jul 18 22:47 | |
| scientes | it was excellent | Jul 18 22:47 |
| XRevan86 | Discussion of classics sure makes me embarassed | Jul 18 22:47 |
| scientes | there was also an unabridged RSC version I watched | Jul 18 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | for not knowing a thing about them | Jul 18 22:48 |
| scientes | because where shakespeare is performed they usually take out about half the lines to make it shorter | Jul 18 22:48 |
| scientes | because his plays are quite long | Jul 18 22:48 |
| scientes | well i guess the real definition of citizen is actually Plato's Repulib | Jul 18 22:48 |
| scientes | Republic | Jul 18 22:48 |
| scientes | but Les Miserables awknowledges that | Jul 18 22:49 |
| scientes | if you actually happen to realize that The Republic is a book, and the definition of the word | Jul 18 22:49 |
| scientes | meh, there are so many classics | Jul 18 22:50 |
| scientes | I didn't read them until my 20s | Jul 18 22:50 |
| scientes | but when I did I really valued the experience | Jul 18 22:50 |
| scientes | Aristophanes is also undervalued | Jul 18 22:51 |
| scientes | in Lysistrata the women are so tired of war that they get together and decided to go on strike, and not have sex until the men stop the war | Jul 18 22:51 |
| scientes | basically, my advice with classics is to not think they are special | Jul 18 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That makes sense. | Jul 18 22:55 |
| scientes | XRevan86, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_for_Russians#Modern_Russia | Jul 18 22:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russia for Russians - Wikipedia | Jul 18 22:56 | |
| scientes | having a great-grandfather that fled Ukraine as a Jew.... | Jul 18 22:57 |
| scientes | https://imgur.com/a/MTTHXu6 | Jul 18 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Jul 18 22:58 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Is it they? | Jul 18 23:00 |
| scientes | great-great-grantparents | Jul 18 23:00 |
| scientes | while in Ukraine | Jul 18 23:00 |
| scientes | not much to confirm that with | Jul 18 23:01 |
| scientes | however | Jul 18 23:01 |
| XRevan86 | The woman looks typically Slavic, that I can confirm. | Jul 18 23:01 |
| XRevan86 | So the origins are pretty self-evident :) | Jul 18 23:02 |
| scientes | this is the proof https://imgur.com/a/ulk2IFE | Jul 18 23:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Jul 18 23:02 | |
| scientes | vessel Uraniom | Jul 18 23:03 |
| scientes | interesting name | Jul 18 23:03 |
| scientes | but that was far before Einstein | Jul 18 23:03 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetiiv here's the place | Jul 18 23:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Tetiiv - Wikipedia | Jul 18 23:04 | |
| XRevan86 | Tetiev | Jul 18 23:04 |
| scientes | and the proof of Jewishness if of course in the name | Jul 18 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | Jacob Paul? | Jul 18 23:06 |
| scientes | Paul | Jul 18 23:06 |
| scientes | aka Saul, Solomon | Jul 18 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | How is it spelt in Russian? | Jul 18 23:06 |
| scientes | you don't know how they did names at Ellis island back then, do you? | Jul 18 23:07 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: no | Jul 18 23:07 |
| scientes | I knew enough people whose parent came through there | Jul 18 23:07 |
| scientes | they would just say their name | Jul 18 23:07 |
| scientes | and then some english-speaking bloke would try to write it down | Jul 18 23:07 |
| scientes | its like that YouTube clip | Jul 18 23:07 |
| XRevan86 | Do you think it used to be Pavlov or something? | Jul 18 23:08 |
| scientes | superkuh, oh god, re: anchors | Jul 18 23:08 |
| scientes | yeah sounds like Microsoft | Jul 18 23:08 |
| XRevan86 | Not a surname typically attributed to ethnic Jews. | Jul 18 23:09 |
| scientes | in the US it is | Jul 18 23:09 |
| scientes | first name Paul, sure | Jul 18 23:09 |
| scientes | but last name, Jewish | Jul 18 23:09 |
| scientes | because there is also Apostle Paul | Jul 18 23:09 |
| XRevan86 | So his original surname could be anything? | Jul 18 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | From Novikov to Wasserman | Jul 18 23:10 |
| scientes | oh, this says it didn't happen like that https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/ask-smithsonian-did-ellis-island-officials-really-change-names-immigrants-180961544/ | Jul 18 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smithsonianmag.com | Did Ellis Island Officials Really Change the Names of Immigrants? | At the Smithsonian | Smithsonian | Jul 18 23:11 | |
| scientes | "More commonly, immigrants themselves would change their names, either to sound more American, or to melt into the immigrant community, where they were going to live, says Sutton. " | Jul 18 23:14 |
| scientes | that is reasonable | Jul 18 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | Yea, considering that I can't think of anything that would transform into Paul | Jul 18 23:15 |
| XRevan86 | especially en masse | Jul 18 23:15 |
| XRevan86 | as you say it's a typical Jewish surname | Jul 18 23:15 |
| XRevan86 | (but it's not typical in Russia) | Jul 18 23:15 |
| scientes | But, he says, he believes that dehumanization—including a disregard of names—was “not a prevalent or overwhelming part of the culture” at Ellis Island. While the process could be cold, “it didn’t mean you didn’t have inspectors who treated people very kindly and compassionately,” Urban says. | Jul 18 23:16 |
| scientes | yeah but that is kinda bullshit | Jul 18 23:16 |
| scientes | if you brought the people over in order to do manual labor, its going to be dehumanizing | Jul 18 23:16 |
| MinceR | what if they did manual labor at home? | Jul 18 23:17 |
| MinceR | would they be dehumanized already? :> | Jul 18 23:17 |
| scientes | but it was probably better than what I read about in GULAG | Jul 18 23:23 |
| scientes | Aripelag GULAG | Jul 18 23:24 |
| <--Firee has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) | Jul 19 00:48 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Oracle Linux 8.0 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126037 [https://pleroma.site/objects/de7cd3db-7be6-4c49-866c-4291884b2a01] | Jul 19 02:14 | |
| <--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) | Jul 19 02:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Netherguild, Queen's Quest 5: Symphony of Death, Warhammer 40,000: Gladius, Steam/Apollo 11 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126038 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5ddc123f-7650-49d1-92cd-a439240706b7] | Jul 19 03:05 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SAMBA versus SMB: Adversarial Interoperability is Judo for Network Effects http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126039 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9ad22894-b1c5-410f-aff6-821ded795b1f] | Jul 19 03:07 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126040 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fe2dd3a7-2348-417d-88a6-5cc65432d59b] | Jul 19 03:21 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: Maestral, GLava and Pitivi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126041 [https://pleroma.site/objects/616becfa-481e-4c62-9b59-8466978e8795] | Jul 19 03:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Crostini/Google Update http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126042 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e8db0ed5-f5f6-4e93-973c-2a58cc52d9a6] | Jul 19 04:07 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PCLinuxOS KDE Darkstar 2019.07 Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126043 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fe154171-44df-4862-97e6-e2ed33f416ee] | Jul 19 04:10 | |
| <--gde33 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) | Jul 19 04:12 | |
| -->zoobab (zoobab@vic.ffii.org) has joined #techrights | Jul 19 04:17 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora, Red Hat Learning Community and Kubernetes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126044 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6eeb8a0f-6142-4d76-b05a-831995b80c6d] | Jul 19 04:25 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126045 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b3eb4faa-1431-4b6f-8428-435b444c164f] | Jul 19 04:29 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Destination Linux, Lunduke, Linux Journal, BSD Now and TLLTS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126046 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d8c933ba-45ae-4885-92df-b643a4dfbce5] | Jul 19 04:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security, DRM and Privacy http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126047 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5b21db15-3851-4229-9cab-5a1f9cb22bd1] | Jul 19 04:34 | |
| schestowitz | kaniini: if you see heavy i/o or network on the hv, that's because we're cloning a VM for testing, it's OK, it's scheduled | Jul 19 05:32 |
| <--x003n has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jul 19 05:59 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Why Does Jim Zemlin Publicly Congratulate Microsoft? http://techrights.org/2019/07/19/zemlin-congratulates-microsoft/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/6383e9e8-048e-48e7-b413-a8464cfdd1db] | Jul 19 06:44 | |
| <--prurigro has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Jul 19 06:48 | |
| -->prurigro (~prurigro@li365-7.members.linode.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 19 06:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latest #Openwashing : Amazon, #RedMonk / #Microsoft / #GitHub , #LinuxFoundation Energy, B2B on Red Hat/IBM Site http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126048 [https://pleroma.site/objects/48a809f7-0033-4ae6-9d82-a09e08687a1c] | Jul 19 06:53 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: European Events: Apache and GStreamer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126049 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8eca9de4-af57-4bb0-95df-51c176bdfcec] | Jul 19 06:54 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu/Debian: Comparison of Memory Usages, Ubuntu 18.10 (Cosmic Cuttlefish) End of Life and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126050 [https://pleroma.site/objects/49450866-1a07-4ab3-8a49-98c86148ed7a] | Jul 19 06:57 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: NVMe and VirtIO-IOMMU http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126051 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0ee7e777-65f3-4a5f-9a49-99c37ea886f5] | Jul 19 07:00 | |
| -->kdas_ (~hopless@fedora/kushal) has joined #techrights | Jul 19 07:06 | |
| schestowitz | kaniini: pleroma spam alert | Jul 19 07:06 |
| schestowitz | it's bombarding, follower spam | Jul 19 07:06 |
| schestowitz | like 100 follows per minute | Jul 19 07:06 |
| schestowitz | from weedis.life | Jul 19 07:06 |
| <--kushal has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | Jul 19 07:07 | |
| ---kdas_ is now known as kushal | Jul 19 07:29 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to kushal zoobab prurigro | Jul 19 07:33 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19060752 | Jul 19 07:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 19 07:37 | |
| -->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrights | Jul 19 07:39 | |
| <--Firee has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jul 19 07:41 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/30/5f6208b42f9d57c5.jpg | Jul 19 07:45 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 19/7/2019: Oracle Linux 8.0, Latte Dock 0.9 Beta and PCLinuxOS KDE Darkstar 2019.07 http://techrights.org/2019/07/19/oracle-linux-8-0-released/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/b5ef1c97-873b-4888-96b9-0c024aa6534b] | Jul 19 07:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126052 [https://pleroma.site/objects/73fe3af3-310e-4bd6-aef7-15352e977eae] | Jul 19 07:51 | |
| -->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrights | Jul 19 08:21 | |
| -->x003n (~x003n@unaffiliated/x003n) has joined #techrights | Jul 19 08:32 | |
| MinceR | https://cdn.niu.moe/media_attachments/files/005/988/752/original/f98bc4927715f6be.png | Jul 19 08:34 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to Firee x003n | Jul 19 08:34 | |
| ---Glyphie23____ is now known as Glyphie23 | Jul 19 08:47 | |
| ---Glyphie23 is now known as Glyphie44 | Jul 19 08:48 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126053 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ba0b9116-5a2c-4d2b-bd37-5a99d35fb4da] | Jul 19 08:48 | |
| ---ChanServ removes voice from Glyphie44 | Jul 19 08:49 | |
| <--x003n has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) | Jul 19 10:04 | |
| -->gde33 (~gde33@62-145-206-187.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights | Jul 19 12:07 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to gde33 Glyphie44 | Jul 19 12:30 | |
| MinceR | https://petapixel.com/2019/07/15/what-does-an-unprocessed-raw-file-look-like/ | Jul 19 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-petapixel.com | What Does an Unprocessed RAW File Look Like? | Jul 19 12:40 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19060740 | Jul 19 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 19 12:55 | |
| <--amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 19 13:53 | |
| -->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-229-237.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 19 14:14 | |
| schestowitz | Animal abuse | Jul 19 15:02 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Feren OS Next 19.07 Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126054 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c145bffd-6fa9-416c-ae21-ec3d19d6bda0] | Jul 19 15:05 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to amarsh04 | Jul 19 15:13 | |
| MinceR | i thought it climbed in on its own | Jul 19 15:13 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Vagrus, Hive Quest, ATRIUM, GameMode, Elemental War, TerraTech, Higurashi When They Cry Hou, Citadel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126055 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3354aaef-8ee3-4934-a4f2-a9942d909ec2] | Jul 19 15:17 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Installing five flavours of Linux on my new laptop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126056 [https://pleroma.site/objects/133567c4-761a-4185-815b-f9bcae412dec] | Jul 19 15:25 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Daniel Pocock: Codes of Conduct and Hypocrisy http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126057 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3d43dd78-f1bb-47f4-93de-dd0fcf62faa2] | Jul 19 15:39 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126058 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e9e86073-c409-44e5-af9f-e02f0af22ce5] | Jul 19 15:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Indian politicians are missing a huge edutech leap by ignoring Raspberry Pi and Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126059 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2c8940a2-e36b-45d4-92b4-1702852d161b] | Jul 19 15:57 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SBC runs #Yocto or #Debian on STM32MP1 SoC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126060 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5f95a355-99e3-4224-a682-75d6b91bd9e2] | Jul 19 16:13 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Use #HackMD to collaborate on open source projects http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126061 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b9442603-2456-43d1-ac86-57c8521a67f9] | Jul 19 16:13 | |
| -->x003n (~x003n@unaffiliated/x003n) has joined #techrights | Jul 19 16:15 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Buying a Linux-ready laptop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126062 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ac060422-34fa-47c8-a707-bf95d254ff7b] | Jul 19 16:15 | |
| -->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 19 16:19 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Server Planning A New Means For Automated Installations http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126063 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e3f014e3-b345-4a39-9a8d-58bf5506e605] | Jul 19 16:25 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126064 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dc017353-80b6-441a-808d-538e760e2220] | Jul 19 16:28 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: deepin 15.11 - Better Never Stops http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126065 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6dc71928-ee2a-48d2-87b1-6cefe4ad5873] | Jul 19 16:36 | |
| schestowitz | kushal: good one.. https://kushaldas.in/posts/setting-up-wkd.html | Jul 19 16:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Setting up WKD | Jul 19 16:44 | |
| schestowitz | adding to daily howtos | Jul 19 16:44 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: F2FS, AMDGPU/AMDKFD, RISC-V http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126066 [https://pleroma.site/objects/69bb6126-3288-47a8-a647-65655ec63004] | Jul 19 16:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126067 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0cc5655f-55d2-4f4f-8aaf-e5e9b065a5b5] | Jul 19 16:59 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Powered by Plasma: ALBA Synchrotron in Barcelona, Spain http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126068 [https://pleroma.site/objects/96d0e781-0a2c-4fe2-84a1-205922b5f20d] | Jul 19 17:05 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Nouveau, Wayland's Weston and Libinput http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126069 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c3759b43-4171-4494-bdd1-65f6c652f25b] | Jul 19 17:07 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Ubuntu Podcast, Python Podcasts, User Error http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126070 [https://pleroma.site/objects/297d6e29-d018-41a0-9ac7-a23e84532e49] | Jul 19 17:10 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man x003n | Jul 19 17:17 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: EvilGnome Scaremongering, Intel Defects, New Patches and the "Desktop Security Nightmare" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126071 [https://pleroma.site/objects/837ae0d6-a13c-4beb-900c-0549d2fea752] | Jul 19 17:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers: Python, Go, LLVM and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126072 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4ad9581b-bd3c-4149-a78c-cca06c701d5a] | Jul 19 17:26 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Librem One Design Principles: Services You Can Trust http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126073 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6c9a875f-6b00-441b-939d-8efacc06ca45] | Jul 19 17:32 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM and Red Hat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126074 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c33b5b11-03e2-4480-95a0-2c8018ae109a] | Jul 19 17:37 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126075 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d2685c58-dc0f-4da1-b4a5-87609bee90d6] | Jul 19 18:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu MATE 19.10 Alpha Arrives, But Only for the GPD MicroPC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126076 [https://pleroma.site/objects/86a17859-6d9d-44ab-a8db-4fa122d17769] | Jul 19 19:07 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19060710 | Jul 19 19:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 19 19:08 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/26/4c7777a0ad30c3da.jpg | Jul 19 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm going to let the car go to voluntary repossession | Jul 19 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My lawyer advised me to do it since there's no way to keep it, it's draining my finances, and John's name is on the loan and the title too. | Jul 19 19:33 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126077 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0bd0aeb0-707b-4596-afc3-9c6ba4b260b0] | Jul 19 19:39 | |
| MinceR | how did it come to this? | Jul 19 19:41 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New Releases of GNU/Linux: Clonezilla, EasyOS and ARCOLINUX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126078 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d7acbbaa-3ede-4800-b4db-146519b2b752] | Jul 19 19:42 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Hardware With GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126079 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d4b75a5e-7c84-4f2a-9149-a2acc4635a5c] | Jul 19 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: always so much drama in your life! | Jul 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | I still remember your shower incident and the ER bills, debt collectors.. Gonad the Barbarian and Madame Harmon | Jul 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | You never lack drama | Jul 19 19:52 |
| kaniini | schestowitz: i'm cleaning up the spam now | Jul 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | is it good that i mentioned it? | Jul 19 19:57 |
| kaniini | schestowitz: i'm also blocking weedis.life -- because fuck that noise | Jul 19 19:57 |
| kaniini | yeah | Jul 19 19:57 |
| kaniini | i was asleep :) | Jul 19 19:57 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/26/c8d88a91bcc1ab91.png | Jul 19 19:57 |
| schestowitz | seems like a script kiddie | Jul 19 19:57 |
| kaniini | oh | Jul 19 19:57 |
| kaniini | no | Jul 19 19:57 |
| schestowitz | playing with the apis | Jul 19 19:57 |
| kaniini | he found a stupid mastodon bug | Jul 19 19:57 |
| kaniini | and decided to demonstrate it in an obnoxious way | Jul 19 19:57 |
| kaniini | to prove a point i guess | Jul 19 19:57 |
| schestowitz | I liked this many new "followers" :-) | Jul 19 19:58 |
| kaniini | well unfortunately | Jul 19 19:58 |
| kaniini | you're about to lose them | Jul 19 19:58 |
| kaniini | lol | Jul 19 19:58 |
| schestowitz | but it made lots of noise while it wad done, hundreds of sounds in a couple of minutes | Jul 19 19:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I saw this meme before | Jul 19 19:59 |
| schestowitz | but I don't know what the reference/top image is derived from and its context | Jul 19 19:59 |
| schestowitz | at first I thought maybe kodi and iptvs | Jul 19 19:59 |
| MinceR | ea calls its lootboxes "surprise mechanics" | Jul 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/loot-boxes-are-surprise-mechanics | Jul 19 20:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-knowyourmeme.com | Loot Boxes Are Surprise Mechanics | Know Your Meme | Jul 19 20:01 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 19/7/2019: Deepin 15.11 and GNU/Linux Back on GPD MicroPC http://techrights.org/2019/07/19/deepin-15-11/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/1049f565-adaf-495a-ad0f-de08acb41a0b] | Jul 19 20:02 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR, schestowitz: Boy… | Jul 19 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | Well, considering the context, usage of a euphemism looks reasonable. | Jul 19 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I still remember your shower incident and the ER bills, debt collectors.. Gonad the Barbarian and Madame Harmon | Jul 19 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/105644124466650158017/place/ChIJR5or0eQXFYgRYfpiVBgzWgg/@40.050772,-106.9893505,5.75z/data=!4m6!1m5!8m4!1e1!2s105644124466650158017!3m1!1e1?authuser=1 | Jul 19 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Maps | Jul 19 20:08 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I test drove a car for the night from Bart's Car Store and one of the neighbors at Applegate came and scratched up the door of the car. When I returned it to Bart's Car Store and explained what happened, they tried to tell me that I was responsible for damages, but I had my boyfriend driving my car, and when we went to leave the parking lot, the manager at Bart's shouted "I know where you live you ****ing piece of | Jul 19 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ****!" and had one of his employees attempt to block the exit. We ended up having to drive through the grass to get to the main road. Of course, another possibility is that the manager at Bart's was dirty and had one of his employees follow me home and scratch the car up so he could insist that I had to buy it. Used car salesmen will do pretty much anything, so who knows?" | Jul 19 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's one for schestowitz | Jul 19 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | An old one. | Jul 19 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/105644124466650158017/place/ChIJkWy2AcPJFYgRWdTP_TLtkhs/@40.050772,-106.9893505,5z/data=!4m6!1m5!8m4!1e1!2s105644124466650158017!3m1!1e1?authuser=1 | Jul 19 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Maps | Jul 19 20:11 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/105644124466650158017/reviews/@39.1020759,-100.2917729,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m3!8m2!3m1!1e1?authuser=1 | Jul 19 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Maps | Jul 19 20:13 | |
| schestowitz | Oh, I seee | Jul 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | well, you give Google 'content' | Jul 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | remember G+? | Jul 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | One day this too will be wiped off | Jul 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | You used to have a blog on wordpress.com | Jul 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | you took down the whole thing | Jul 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | inc. comcast rans | Jul 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | rants | Jul 19 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "My experience with Mettler was that when a drunk driver hit me and their insurance (Progressive) was stonewalling me, I had to get to work and Mettler made it hard to use my rental car coverage. He wanted me to drive a car with a bent frame, two smashed doors, and a broken passenger door window (side impact with a PT Cruiser that was traveling at highway speeds and through a red light) to commute to work via the | Jul 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | interstate, so that he wouldn't have to take the off chance of eating something that I was paying him for anyway. In the end, they agreed to cover the rental car and got their money back from Progressive in the end. | Jul 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, essentially, in both of our cases, we paid Mettler for insurance, got into wrecks that were 100% the other person's fault, and then had John Mettler jacking us around over whether he was going to cover something that we were paying for regardless, and wanting us to drive death traps to work and back, even though he got his money back from the other insurance company both times." | Jul 19 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I should probably fix that a bit. | Jul 19 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was just so angry thinking about that. | Jul 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | businesses really hate bad reviews | Jul 19 20:16 |
| schestowitz | and one bad review can have them going nuts for years | Jul 19 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "In the end, they agreed to cover the rental car and got their money back from Progressive. So they fought me, their paying customer, and then the benefit that I was paying them for didn't even cost them anything. " | Jul 19 20:16 |
| schestowitz | even negative ebay feedback | Jul 19 20:17 |
| schestowitz | takes a minute to compose, months for the other to agonise over | Jul 19 20:17 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes they sack staff over these | Jul 19 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/105644124466650158017/place/ChIJs5rbD_4XFYgRqgyyvV947JY/@40.2194915,-85.4371996,16z/data=!4m6!1m5!8m4!1e1!2s105644124466650158017!3m1!1e1?authuser=1 | Jul 19 20:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Maps | Jul 19 20:18 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Then the car started randomly shutting off on me (GM "quality" strikes again) and the Sparks car repair in Muncie, Indiana was randomly replacing parts. I would call them idiots, but they're probably just crooks. | Jul 19 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, I finally take it to Victory Chevrolet after it turns off on the interstate *again*. | Jul 19 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ignition switch. After Sparks replaced the spark plugs, wires, ignition coils, and other stuff, costing me a fortune, the Chevy dealer in Muncie replaces an ignition switch for $100. The parts replacers at Sparks got me for a lot more than that in totally useless "repairs"." | Jul 19 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: A couple people liked that one. | Jul 19 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Parts replacers. Idiots. Crooks." | Jul 19 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, debt collectors will be a big thing again soon. | Jul 19 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gonad the Barbarian is deader than a can of spam. | Jul 19 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Madame Harmon is in the nursing home. | Jul 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Make Debt great Again | Jul 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | (he does) | Jul 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: a bit young for that, no? | Jul 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | if you're 35ish, how old can she be? | Jul 19 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uhhhh, 83, I think. | Jul 19 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: A finance company, 5 credit cards, 3 hospital bills, possibly a red light ticket, two apartment leases, and a partridge in a pear tree. | Jul 19 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I should have paid my defense attorney half and done a payment plan and then stopped paying after the case is resolved. | Jul 19 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tossed the rest of that in there as well. | Jul 19 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nah, I like him so far. | Jul 19 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That wouldn't have been nice. | Jul 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | lots of lawyers in Chicago | Jul 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | rahmless now | Jul 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | iirc he's some king of lawyer | Jul 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | *kind | Jul 19 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He only charged me $2,000. | Jul 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | 'only' | Jul 19 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Depending on if this goes to trial, that could be a bargain. | Jul 19 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, well, some bill $450 an hour and just come up with excuses to bill you more. | Jul 19 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Oh, I talked to you on the phone for 2 minutes. That was $200.". | Jul 19 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With his dealings with John so far, he would have blown past $1,000. | Jul 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz | at min wage minus income tax it's many hours of work | Jul 19 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John keeps harassing me and I keep sending all of the records to the lawyer. | Jul 19 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He managed to get John to say I wasn't threatening him and that he wasn't scared of me and that I never did anything wrong and all that. | Jul 19 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure the state's attorney isn't going to be happy that one of her complaining witnesses has just reversed course on everything. | Jul 19 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now, no matter what John says in court, it's perjury. | Jul 19 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's told the police one thing, my lawyer the exact opposite, and then he'll probably back off when the prosecutor comes to talk too. | Jul 19 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'll never get this kind of defense from the Public Pretender. | Jul 19 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He comes in five minutes before court starts and doesn't even know your name. | Jul 19 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's so that the system can bowl over poor people and do whatever it wants. | Jul 19 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Prosecutors offer worse plea deals to Public Defenders because they know that anyone who gets them is screwed anyway. | Jul 19 20:44 |
| schestowitz | sorry, I'm distracted writing some articles at the moment | Jul 19 20:44 |
| schestowitz | 35 U.S.C. § 101 Still in Tact in the United States and #SoftwarePatents Rot Away http://techrights.org/2019/07/19/software-patents-rot-away/ | Jul 19 20:44 |
| schestowitz | but nice to catch up anyway | Jul 19 20:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 35 U.S.C. § 101 Still in Tact in the United States and Software Patents Rot Away | Techrights | Jul 19 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | hmmm.... lag | Jul 19 20:44 |
| schestowitz | (ah heavy site load) | Jul 19 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Public Defenders almost never give an adequete legal defense. | Jul 19 20:45 |
| schestowitz | some effin' US lawyers threatened me | Jul 19 20:45 |
| schestowitz | to sue | Jul 19 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's something the state has to do because of the Supreme Court ruling, so they put as little money into doing it as they can. | Jul 19 20:45 |
| schestowitz | SLAPPers | Jul 19 20:45 |
| schestowitz | of course on no solid basis whatsoever | Jul 19 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, my former landlord threatened to sue. | Jul 19 20:46 |
| schestowitz | ah | Jul 19 20:46 |
| schestowitz | even Novell's CEO | Jul 19 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told her go ahead and get in line. | Jul 19 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She never said anything else. | Jul 19 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was 6 months ago | Jul 19 20:46 |
| schestowitz | back in April http://techrights.org/2019/04/14/ronald-hovsepian-vs-techrights/ | Jul 19 20:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘Poor’ (Multi-Millionaire) Novell CEO, Who Colluded With Steve Ballmer Against GNU/Linux, is Trying to Censor Techrights | Techrights | Jul 19 20:46 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | She always referred to John as "your friend". | Jul 19 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So when she said "My husband is a lawyer!" I told her "I don't care what your friend is.". | Jul 19 20:48 |
| schestowitz | John was your spouse? | Jul 19 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, but she said "Your friend." passive aggressively. | Jul 19 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She is a very horrible person. | Jul 19 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Inept, foolish, has no idea how to run a business. | Jul 19 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But worst of all, just a downright psychotic bitch. | Jul 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | dogs are nice animals | Jul 19 21:11 |
| schestowitz | loyal | Jul 19 21:11 |
| schestowitz | why compare them to her? | Jul 19 21:11 |
| MinceR | no they're not | Jul 19 21:13 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, I see you posted an article regarding a BIOS which is quasi-hostile to non-windows systems | Jul 19 22:00 |
| cubexyz | the "POST hotkey delay" is set to zero as the default | Jul 19 22:00 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: which one/ | Jul 19 22:01 |
| cubexyz | I think it was the "Installing five flavours of Linux on my new laptop" | Jul 19 22:01 |
| cubexyz | HP Pavilion 14 | Jul 19 22:03 |
| cubexyz | at least secure boot was disableable | Jul 19 22:03 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/30/75c75374124c0e33.jpg | Jul 19 22:13 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Neon: A Wannabe Linux Distro For KDE Lovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126080 [https://pleroma.site/objects/44206838-20c4-4753-9606-f99ab1d73dad] | Jul 19 22:34 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: he used to blast UEFI a lot | Jul 19 22:49 |
| schestowitz | then Intel got him on the phone | Jul 19 22:49 |
| schestowitz | as they did me | Jul 19 22:49 |
| schestowitz | they softened him | Jul 19 22:49 |
| schestowitz | but not me | Jul 19 22:49 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126081 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3b9e1daa-2623-418a-aa22-491ab608b7ec] | Jul 19 22:50 | |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, there's an oldish post on reddit about coreboot laptops which looks interesting | Jul 19 22:58 |
| -->pidgin_log (~roy@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 01:02 | |
| <--Firee has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) | Jul 20 01:35 | |
| <--mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) | Jul 20 03:32 | |
| -->kdas_ (~hopless@fedora/kushal) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 03:47 | |
| <--kdas_ has quit (Excess Flood) | Jul 20 03:48 | |
| <--kushal has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.3 - https://znc.in) | Jul 20 03:48 | |
| -->kdas_ (~hopless@fedora/kushal) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 03:49 | |
| <--zerogue has quit (Quit: Goodbye Cruel World) | Jul 20 03:57 | |
| -->zerogue (~irc@nullstruct.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 04:00 | |
| <--zerogue has quit (Quit: Goodbye Cruel World) | Jul 20 04:06 | |
| -->zerogue (~irc@nullstruct.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 04:09 | |
| <--zerogue has quit (Quit: Goodbye Cruel World) | Jul 20 04:28 | |
| -->zerogue (~irc@nullstruct.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 04:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Gnome : #Pango updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126082 #gtk #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/95f0da21-dd34-4085-a841-1e62a60bbc75] | Jul 20 05:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126083 [https://pleroma.site/objects/aa76daae-3267-4064-89d4-deb8b8b72645] | Jul 20 05:30 | |
| <--oiaohm has quit () | Jul 20 06:49 | |
| <--zerogue has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Jul 20 07:07 | |
| -->zerogue (~irc@nullstruct.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 07:08 | |
| ---kdas_ is now known as kushal | Jul 20 08:14 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: @h4ck3rm1k3 excellent! [https://pleroma.site/objects/9a87b7fb-344f-4907-808c-6a7dbd376237] | Jul 20 08:18 | |
| -->Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 08:37 | |
| MinceR | https://p1.picsto.re/WRHLr.png | Jul 20 09:43 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to kushal Firee zerogue pidgin_log | Jul 20 09:43 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/26/44c9c5096ea45880.jpg | Jul 20 09:53 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/26/8e144cfeb6c94a13.mp4 ( https://pr0gramm.com/top/3277781 ) | Jul 20 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pr0gramm.com | Jul 20 10:21 | |
| <--pidgin_log has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Jul 20 11:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Slack Committed a Very Major Crime That Can Cost Many Billions If Not Trillions in Damages for Years to Come http://techrights.org/2019/07/20/slack-is-dead/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/f5d4ef92-e4bf-4e89-9d46-7af90ad3a426] | Jul 20 11:35 | |
| <--amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) | Jul 20 11:47 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: a tad repetitive | Jul 20 11:47 |
| schestowitz | like a minute for a 5 second loop, looping | Jul 20 11:48 |
| schestowitz | I thought it might end up with a surprise, but no... | Jul 20 11:48 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/V1bPQSL.jpg | Jul 20 11:56 |
| -->oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 12:04 | |
| -->amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-229-237.bras1.adl4.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 12:13 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/9Dcl7OB | Jul 20 13:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russian, North American astronauts return to earth with odd rash - Album on Imgur | Jul 20 13:01 | |
| ---MinceR gives voice to oiaohm amarsh04 | Jul 20 13:01 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/30/505b9c19ca49bc4e.jpg | Jul 20 13:26 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126084 [https://pleroma.site/objects/94e50d3e-964e-4a73-9275-83b68681e104] | Jul 20 13:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Deepin 15.11 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126085 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8928fada-6e71-48e0-b08f-aa915a80de5c] | Jul 20 13:48 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126086 [https://pleroma.site/objects/025ccff7-db13-4aff-af4c-659d9be7d19c] | Jul 20 13:53 | |
| <--cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) | Jul 20 14:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top 15 Best Linux Racing Games That You’ve Maybe Never Heard of http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126087 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1446d366-0fe4-45c0-b9c4-e61ece392eb4] | Jul 20 14:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Cross Architecture Linux Containers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126088 [https://pleroma.site/objects/be31a22e-300c-452e-bdce-7c57b07d2458] | Jul 20 15:19 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Applications, Squid, SQLite, VIM Update in Tumbleweed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126089 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fc66eb58-778d-4b49-bb6a-2be8c7ea19d3] | Jul 20 15:28 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Orange Pi and Raspberry Pi 4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126090 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3c07be1d-4878-492e-a5d5-8671ecd1f46c] | Jul 20 15:55 | |
| -->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 16:34 | |
| XRevan86 | > "Version 2.0 Release Candidate of #YugaByte Distributed SQL DB Available; First Product Available Under License Created by the #Polyform Project." https://finance.yahoo.com/news/yugabyte-commits-100-percent-open-130000917.html | Jul 20 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | YugaByte Commits to 100 Percent Open Source with Apache 2.0 License | Jul 20 17:14 | |
| XRevan86 | First thought: is it a fork of PostgreSQL? | Jul 20 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | It is a fork PostgreSQL. | Jul 20 17:14 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://db-engines.com/en/system/PostgreSQL%3BYugaByte+DB feature wise it a lot weaker than postgresql. | Jul 20 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-db-engines.com | PostgreSQL vs. YugaByte DB Comparison | Jul 20 17:18 | |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: This does raise the question: what is the reason for its existence. | Jul 20 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | > YugaByte Cloud QL (YCQL) - Semi-relational SQL-like API with documents/indexing support and Apache Cassandra QL roots | Jul 20 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | Some alternative query syntax? | Jul 20 17:21 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: YugaByte has "Wide column store" as a database storage option as well. https://cassandra.apache.org/doc/latest/cql/ Yes cql is optmised for column store instead of the normal row store of the document model. | Jul 20 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cassandra.apache.org | Documentation | Jul 20 17:28 | |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I do wonder if putting it under apache license was kind of forced by them goofing up somewhere. | Jul 20 17:30 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Systemd, Linux 5.3 Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126091 [https://pleroma.site/objects/adcb1211-2de6-45de-ba20-e6afe06aa455] | Jul 20 17:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: DebCamp19: piuparts and Debian Policy http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126092 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f5fa985e-7bd5-4078-8bcf-52a07c7cdb32] | Jul 20 17:37 | |
| XRevan86 | https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/commit/aa3c23fe another day, another way to obtain root. | Jul 20 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-salsa.debian.org | Merge tag 'debian/4.19.37-5+deb10u1' into buster-security (aa3c23fe) · Commits · Debian kernel team / linux · GitLab | Jul 20 17:39 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, nice | Jul 20 17:44 |
| scientes | so I got shocked by the bathroom mirror | Jul 20 17:45 |
| scientes | and so they are re-wiring it, but not installing a GFCI that should have been installed from the beginning | Jul 20 17:45 |
| scientes | its not like they are expensive..... | Jul 20 17:46 |
| scientes | they are required in the US | Jul 20 17:46 |
| scientes | in bathrooms. | Jul 20 17:46 |
| scientes | what about Russia? | Jul 20 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What's that? | Jul 20 17:47 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Nageru 1.9.0 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126093 [https://pleroma.site/objects/63d46c93-74fe-4329-9cd3-c67ce22e98ac] | Jul 20 17:48 | |
| scientes | Устройство дифференциального тока | Jul 20 17:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Like fuses? | Jul 20 17:49 |
| scientes | no | Jul 20 17:49 |
| scientes | it detects an imbalance between positive and negative---i.e. when power is going somewhere else, like through a person | Jul 20 17:50 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Weston 7.0 Reaches Alpha and RadeonSI Gallium3D Driver Adds Navi Wave32 Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126094 [https://pleroma.site/objects/85a1af00-6f5f-4fb7-9dc1-0e38a020a817] | Jul 20 17:50 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Sounds good. I guess it does tell that I had no idea such a thing exists. | Jul 20 17:50 |
| scientes | in the US you have to install them in bathrooms and kitchens and near sinks | Jul 20 17:51 |
| scientes | to avoid killing people | Jul 20 17:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Does this make sense in a country where grounding is considered optional? | Jul 20 17:51 |
| scientes | yes | Jul 20 17:51 |
| scientes | it does not require ground | Jul 20 17:51 |
| scientes | no ground in peru either | Jul 20 17:51 |
| scientes | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%84%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0 | Jul 20 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ru.wikipedia.org | Устройство дифференциального тока — Википедия | Jul 20 17:52 | |
| scientes | there is a little button to reset it when it trips | Jul 20 17:53 |
| scientes | see the buttons https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GFCIReceptacle.jpg | Jul 20 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-simple.m.wikipedia.org | File:GFCIReceptacle.jpg - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jul 20 17:54 | |
| XRevan86 | An RCD, or RCCB, or GFCI, or GFI, or ALCI, sometimes LCDI, ELCB | Jul 20 17:54 |
| scientes | ALCI is differn't | Jul 20 17:54 |
| scientes | that is newer and more expensive, and detects sparking as to prevent fires | Jul 20 17:54 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LabPlot has got some beautifying and lots of datasets http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126095 [https://pleroma.site/objects/30c836d1-70c4-4225-91d6-686900961bf8] | Jul 20 17:57 | |
| scientes | it mean dropping your hair dryer in the bathtub won't kill you | Jul 20 17:58 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Dota Underlords and Stadia http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126096 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b12ebc10-6e56-4586-bb3d-c17ec694011a] | Jul 20 17:59 | |
| scientes | this electrician works with the power on and without rubber gloves.... | Jul 20 18:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Clearly you need stronger stuff… | Jul 20 18:01 |
| XRevan86 | A machete? | Jul 20 18:01 |
| scientes | yeah it looks like outside the US they are a specialty thing | Jul 20 18:06 |
| scientes | https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.pe/MPE-432637113-interruptor-diferencial-general-electric-25-a-monof-usado-_JM | Jul 20 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-articulo.mercadolibre.com.pe | Mercado Libre Perú - Donde comprar y vender de todo | Jul 20 18:06 | |
| scientes | and you have to wire them in separate | Jul 20 18:07 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126097 [https://pleroma.site/objects/10c71cfd-1496-46e9-a879-f42f41db1eff] | Jul 20 18:08 | |
| scientes | I get that they are annoying---large electric motor cannot be plugged into them of they will trip | Jul 20 18:08 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126098 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fe576597-d8c2-4cbb-b5e7-1567bbf6ed56] | Jul 20 18:11 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos and programming bits http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126099 [https://pleroma.site/objects/64d61211-8910-4d6b-92d1-2ff5dd5f5b58] | Jul 20 18:13 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora and IBM/Red Hat: Network Security Toolkit (NST), Fedora CoreOS and Openwashing at OSCON http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126100 [https://pleroma.site/objects/681298a3-7364-40cf-880c-05655652e9f2] | Jul 20 18:15 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 20/7/2019: Weston 7.0 Alpha, Nageru 1.9.0 http://techrights.org/2019/07/20/nageru-1-9-0/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/ae6d0c6e-0850-4df4-aa87-f092db510d40] | Jul 20 18:31 | |
| scientes | There was a woman trying to sell Venezuelan money on the street | Jul 20 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | by kilogrammes? | Jul 20 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | * in | Jul 20 18:54 |
| scientes | it was probably her life savings | Jul 20 18:54 |
| scientes | and she was still in shock | Jul 20 18:54 |
| XRevan86 | Is it still inflating? | Jul 20 18:54 |
| scientes | this was the old currency | Jul 20 18:54 |
| scientes | it is abandoned | Jul 20 18:55 |
| scientes | AFAIK | Jul 20 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, there was a denomination. | Jul 20 18:55 |
| scientes | I should have given her some peruvian money for nothing | Jul 20 18:56 |
| scientes | maybe she is still there | Jul 20 18:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Why didn't she exchange her old bolívars for new ones? | Jul 20 18:56 |
| scientes | they are worthless | Jul 20 18:56 |
| scientes | 100,000 == 0.05 USD | Jul 20 18:56 |
| scientes | no point exchanging | Jul 20 18:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I see. | Jul 20 18:57 |
| scientes | I mean USD is also worthless | Jul 20 18:57 |
| scientes | it has value, but no worth | Jul 20 18:58 |
| XRevan86 | useless? | Jul 20 18:58 |
| scientes | precisely | Jul 20 18:58 |
| scientes | now i feel bad | Jul 20 18:59 |
| scientes | If someone is so blindsighted to try to do that I should have at least given her a sol | Jul 20 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_reform_in_Russia,_1998 | Jul 20 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Monetary reform in Russia, 1998 - Wikipedia | Jul 20 19:00 | |
| scientes | yeah but what mattered was Putin | Jul 20 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | By being a director of Federal Security? | Jul 20 19:02 |
| scientes | by restoring the rule of law | Jul 20 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | In 1998? | Jul 20 19:03 |
| scientes | no | Jul 20 19:03 |
| scientes | so those new roubles are still the current ones? | Jul 20 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: yeah | Jul 20 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | They're worth less now, of course. | Jul 20 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | * value | Jul 20 19:04 |
| scientes | I have some silver dollars | Jul 20 19:04 |
| scientes | they are 90% silver | Jul 20 19:04 |
| scientes | I even found a 1964 dime in my change once | Jul 20 19:04 |
| scientes | that is also 90% silver | Jul 20 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | But not so much to warrant another redenomination. | Jul 20 19:04 |
| scientes | yeah but the economy held through the last inflation | Jul 20 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | copecks have practically become obsolete though | Jul 20 19:05 |
| scientes | inflation is very different from hyperinflation | Jul 20 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It hasn't exactly held through really. | Jul 20 19:06 |
| scientes | well yeah I hear of people getting paid Peruvian wages | Jul 20 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's practically in crisis right now. | Jul 20 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | Albeit state officials don't think so. | Jul 20 19:06 |
| scientes | well of course | Jul 20 19:06 |
| scientes | they never do | Jul 20 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know what they thought when they increased VAT. | Jul 20 19:08 |
| scientes | o rly | Jul 20 19:08 |
| scientes | greedy bastards | Jul 20 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | Stagnant economy, and they keep milking it. | Jul 20 19:08 |
| scientes | also trying to force credit cards | Jul 20 19:08 |
| scientes | so that they can also write blank checks | Jul 20 19:09 |
| scientes | *always | Jul 20 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | More taxes, less social programmes. | Jul 20 19:10 |
| XRevan86 | harsher on an individual, harsher on business | Jul 20 19:11 |
| scientes | well that sounds like austerity | Jul 20 19:11 |
| scientes | just because they are unwilling to experience life with the rest of the country | Jul 20 19:11 |
| scientes | rest of the people | Jul 20 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | Does austerity include tax cuts to state oil companies? | Jul 20 19:11 |
| scientes | yes | Jul 20 19:11 |
| scientes | that is just a way of trying to make it look better than it is | Jul 20 19:11 |
| scientes | the US has been doing that for decades | Jul 20 19:12 |
| scientes | its stupid | Jul 20 19:12 |
| scientes | but these people live in fear | Jul 20 19:12 |
| scientes | hell Peru has the same bubble economy | Jul 20 19:12 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Does it make it look better though? | Jul 20 19:16 |
| scientes | that is a good question | Jul 20 19:16 |
| scientes | perhaps it is more a way for those paper-pushes to rationalize their salaries | Jul 20 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | That in an oil country oil monopolies fail to make a profit? | Jul 20 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | but certain individuals around them successfully do | Jul 20 19:16 |
| scientes | yeah, sounds more like a way to hide pilfering and parasites | Jul 20 19:17 |
| scientes | but free speech in the US certainly didn't stop that | Jul 20 19:17 |
| scientes | the problem is that doing things honestly is boring | Jul 20 19:17 |
| scientes | and so naturally looses | Jul 20 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Like I said before, I think that the US is not democratic. | Jul 20 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | So it has the same problem as Russia: there's no way around corrupted politicians. | Jul 20 19:18 |
| scientes | actually there is a way around corrupt politicians | Jul 20 19:18 |
| scientes | go around them | Jul 20 19:19 |
| scientes | you can never go through them, you can only go around them | Jul 20 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | * no non-radical way | Jul 20 19:19 |
| scientes | its not that radical | Jul 20 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: They keep electing themselves. | Jul 20 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | and making a buck | Jul 20 19:19 |
| scientes | it just requires a lower burn rate | Jul 20 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | How does one go around that? | Jul 20 19:19 |
| scientes | you have to live the way people did under the soviet system | Jul 20 19:20 |
| scientes | its not pretty | Jul 20 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | There will be new mayor and city senate elections in September. | Jul 20 19:20 |
| scientes | well yeah cities can't really get around politicians | Jul 20 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | It makes me anxious as a reminder. | Jul 20 19:20 |
| scientes | but when it works there is often less politics | Jul 20 19:21 |
| scientes | look at Venice | Jul 20 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | I *will* go and leave a vote. And then this vote go nowhere. | Jul 20 19:21 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126101 [https://pleroma.site/objects/133fbb7c-c2a9-411f-99d7-bdd7b2924130] | Jul 20 19:21 | |
| XRevan86 | * will go nowhere | Jul 20 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | And the new mayor of St. Petersburg will be current acting mayor Bieglov. | Jul 20 19:22 |
| scientes | voting is almost always pointless | Jul 20 19:22 |
| XRevan86 | No one likes him, but he will be elected. | Jul 20 19:22 |
| scientes | That's why the Russians kicked out the Jehovah's Witnesses | Jul 20 19:23 |
| scientes | they specifically forbid voting | Jul 20 19:23 |
| scientes | or any attempts to change governments | Jul 20 19:23 |
| scientes | that is threatening to a oligopoly | Jul 20 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: How? | Jul 20 19:23 |
| scientes | because its a vote of no confidence | Jul 20 19:23 |
| scientes | which is a formal democratic thing in parlimentary systems | Jul 20 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Beglov that's the future mayor | Jul 20 19:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Alexander Beglov - Wikipedia | Jul 20 19:24 | |
| scientes | you have to have a vote of no confidence first, before you can start having real discussions | Jul 20 19:24 |
| scientes | and real discussions is when things change | Jul 20 19:24 |
| scientes | governments do everything they can to avoid real discussions | Jul 20 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | He got infamous as a face of a snow-cleaning collapse this winder. | Jul 20 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | winter | Jul 20 19:25 |
| scientes | or what about the fake recycle bins | Jul 20 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | as he, as a solution, suggested that the people should take a more active role and clean their yards themselves. | Jul 20 19:26 |
| scientes | have you seen the soviet version of brother's karamazov? | Jul 20 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | and as a positive role-model went to the streets and posed with a shovel to a camera | Jul 20 19:27 |
| scientes | there actually is a real solution to this problem | Jul 20 19:27 |
| scientes | nuclear energy | Jul 20 19:27 |
| scientes | butt-loads of it | Jul 20 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: To melt the snow away? | Jul 20 19:27 |
| scientes | bring summer to winter | Jul 20 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | Good guess. | Jul 20 19:27 |
| scientes | yeah i've only lived with that much snow once | Jul 20 19:28 |
| scientes | winter of 99 | Jul 20 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | I also remember him for being rude to a senator when he criticised Bieglov from a stand. | Jul 20 19:30 |
| scientes | well sounds like sounds like a fuck-up | Jul 20 19:31 |
| XRevan86 | and then Bieglov walked away | Jul 20 19:31 |
| scientes | politicians have to be able to take their ego out of it | Jul 20 19:31 |
| XRevan86 | won't stop him from being elected | Jul 20 19:31 |
| scientes | at least their personal ego | Jul 20 19:31 |
| XRevan86 | I can't think of anything that would. | Jul 20 19:31 |
| scientes | yeah but getting elected is also about graft | Jul 20 19:32 |
| scientes | convincing people that they are special | Jul 20 19:32 |
| scientes | and not rocking and boats | Jul 20 19:32 |
| scientes | electibility is the exact opposite of what you want in a politician | Jul 20 19:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, the United Russia is great in that case :D | Jul 20 19:32 |
| scientes | I am more of a Republican---i.e. Plato's Republic | Jul 20 19:33 |
| scientes | Aristocracy | Jul 20 19:33 |
| scientes | but you can't really talk about it that | Jul 20 19:33 |
| scientes | way | Jul 20 19:33 |
| scientes | you have to read the damn book | Jul 20 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: There's an obvious problem to this model. | Jul 20 19:33 |
| scientes | yes | Jul 20 19:33 |
| scientes | that is why you have to read the book | Jul 20 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Nah, I prefer the real thing | Jul 20 19:34 |
| *XRevan86 looks at Russia's aristocracy. | Jul 20 19:34 | |
| scientes | they weren't all bad | Jul 20 19:34 |
| scientes | look at Peter the Great | Jul 20 19:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The guy who left corpses lie on a square for N days? | Jul 20 19:34 |
| XRevan86 | But I meant the contemporary aristocracy. | Jul 20 19:36 |
| scientes | oh i see | Jul 20 19:37 |
| scientes | yes Russia has one | Jul 20 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Mikhalkov | Jul 20 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Nikita Mikhalkov - Wikipedia | Jul 20 19:37 | |
| XRevan86 | like this guy | Jul 20 19:37 |
| scientes | but that's harmless | Jul 20 19:37 |
| scientes | Орден «За заслуги перед Отечеством», Orden "Za zaslugi pered Otechestvom | Jul 20 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Annoying but harmless, yes. | Jul 20 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But I doubt that giving power to these bright people will start producing results. | Jul 20 19:38 |
| scientes | "bright" | Jul 20 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: He used to be a good filmmaker. | Jul 20 19:39 |
| scientes | yeah but try to ask a filmmaker to change a lightbulb | Jul 20 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm just saying that Mikhalkov now != Mikhalkov then. | Jul 20 19:39 |
| scientes | but this is pretty normal | Jul 20 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | people change | Jul 20 19:39 |
| scientes | every country has this sort of thing | Jul 20 19:39 |
| scientes | hell, Jimmy Carter granted the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Donald Knuth for TAoCP | Jul 20 19:40 |
| scientes | that was actually pretty kick-ass | Jul 20 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You mean medals? | Jul 20 19:40 |
| scientes | no, that you had a timely aristocratic award for something technical | Jul 20 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I thought you meant artists who went nuts | Jul 20 19:41 |
| scientes | unless the Queen formally apologizing for persecuting Alan Turing | Jul 20 19:41 |
| scientes | *unlike | Jul 20 19:41 |
| scientes | a bazillion years later | Jul 20 19:41 |
| scientes | and after he was a huge part in winning the war | Jul 20 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | Better late than never, I guess. | Jul 20 19:42 |
| scientes | I'd rather never | Jul 20 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | I'm more used to "never" | Jul 20 19:42 |
| scientes | those people are so irrelevent | Jul 20 19:43 |
| scientes | they are friggen idiots | Jul 20 19:43 |
| scientes | I actually had a connection to the aristocratic idiots of Japan.... | Jul 20 19:43 |
| scientes | not exactly ready to share that story yet | Jul 20 19:43 |
| scientes | fools | Jul 20 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | To give power to the enlightened, first you need to be able to tell who is enlightened in the first place. | Jul 20 19:45 |
| scientes | not really | Jul 20 19:46 |
| scientes | you just have to admit you have no idea | Jul 20 19:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I have to admit you are able to tell that :) | Jul 20 19:46 |
| scientes | hehehe | Jul 20 19:46 |
| scientes | exactly | Jul 20 19:46 |
| XRevan86 | But then, who's going to be the gate-keeper? | Jul 20 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | Putin? Then we're back to status-quo. | Jul 20 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | Putin: Bieglov, you're very smart. | Jul 20 19:49 |
| scientes | yeah, its not clear how the weeds are to be removed | Jul 20 19:49 |
| scientes | Putin talks about it, but is it actually happening at all? | Jul 20 19:49 |
| scientes | I mean, I have heard that he did it when he first claimed power | Jul 20 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Let's just say, he likes loyalty. | Jul 20 19:50 |
| scientes | and then you have the problem that China has | Jul 20 19:50 |
| scientes | which seems pretty similar | Jul 20 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You can guess what's implied. | Jul 20 19:50 |
| scientes | I like his personality however | Jul 20 19:51 |
| scientes | I like his personality | Jul 20 19:51 |
| scientes | it is refreshing compared to these talking heads that the rest of the world has | Jul 20 19:51 |
| scientes | even compared to Xi | Jul 20 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You're just not used to it. | Jul 20 19:52 |
| scientes | Xi almost talks in code | Jul 20 19:52 |
| scientes | there is no substanse | Jul 20 19:52 |
| XRevan86 | I won't compare him to a broken record, because it may be considered a violation of law. | Jul 20 19:52 |
| scientes | well they are all that | Jul 20 19:52 |
| scientes | that's part of being a politician | Jul 20 19:53 |
| scientes | Its also annoying what his lost minions do | Jul 20 19:53 |
| scientes | and that has been going on for a long time | Jul 20 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I also won't attempt to analyse his thought patterns to avoid coming to a conclusion that there are multiple levels of double-think there. | Jul 20 19:54 |
| scientes | well lots of things are like that | Jul 20 19:54 |
| scientes | Walk Whitman is famous for saying "Do I contradict myself, well I contradict myself." | Jul 20 19:54 |
| scientes | that is what all religions are like | Jul 20 19:55 |
| scientes | they just go in circles | Jul 20 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Russia is in poverty, we all need to wait a while longer. Russia is prosperous unlike our adversaries. | Jul 20 19:55 |
| scientes | well I actually believe that one..... | Jul 20 19:56 |
| scientes | cause that is the way money works | Jul 20 19:56 |
| scientes | I am really pissed at Google however | Jul 20 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | It depends in whose wallet you look into. | Jul 20 19:56 |
| scientes | because they have these cheap laptops | Jul 20 19:56 |
| scientes | but they only sell them in places where people can afford the expensive ones | Jul 20 19:56 |
| scientes | and don't sell them in places where they would actually make a difference | Jul 20 19:57 |
| scientes | because they would rather people get enslaved to android | Jul 20 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Russia hasn't grown to the level of evil corporations yet. | Jul 20 19:57 |
| scientes | Google was forced to walk away from military contracts because they faced mutiny by their engineers | Jul 20 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | There are evil corporations, but they're all dependent on the state corruption 100%. | Jul 20 19:58 |
| scientes | but every computer company before them at least tried to make the market bigger | Jul 20 19:59 |
| scientes | Google is actively trying to prevent people from owning laptops, which can actually be used for work | Jul 20 19:59 |
| scientes | instead in places like Peru, laptops are only for rich people | Jul 20 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | They thrive by the state screwing over everyone else. And making irrational choices. | Jul 20 19:59 |
| scientes | there is quite a bit of democracy in Peru | Jul 20 20:01 |
| scientes | and Colombia | Jul 20 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_procurement_in_Russia#Corruption haven't read that, but it probably doesn't even scratch the surface | Jul 20 20:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Government procurement in Russia - Wikipedia | Jul 20 20:01 | |
| scientes | the government hates it | Jul 20 20:01 |
| scientes | but I see it | Jul 20 20:01 |
| scientes | moreso in Colombia | Jul 20 20:01 |
| scientes | well | Jul 20 20:01 |
| scientes | the transportations systems | Jul 20 20:01 |
| scientes | are so democratic | Jul 20 20:02 |
| scientes | but they have the same shit | Jul 20 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Navalny's team tried to get into the Moscow's senate just now. | Jul 20 20:02 |
| scientes | in Cartagena you walk out a shopping mall to see donkey-pulled carts | Jul 20 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | They were all rejected with a claim that signatures they've collected are invalid. | Jul 20 20:02 |
| scientes | yeah but has he done anything | Jul 20 20:03 |
| scientes | or is he just a politician | Jul 20 20:03 |
| scientes | what is the value with replacing one guy with another | Jul 20 20:03 |
| scientes | look at the French Revolution | Jul 20 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | Lots of people who placed the before-mentioned rejected signatures have made statements that they're living breathing beings. | Jul 20 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | No one's been interested in that. | Jul 20 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: He focuses on making corruption investigation videos on YouTube. | Jul 20 20:05 |
| scientes | yeah but that doesn't make a political movement | Jul 20 20:05 |
| scientes | and neither does flinging shit | Jul 20 20:05 |
| scientes | because selection of what shit to fling can be very political | Jul 20 20:05 |
| scientes | again look at the Les Miserables | Jul 20 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "has he done anything" – investigations, multiple rallies… | Jul 20 20:06 |
| scientes | well yeah | Jul 20 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | He hasn't been in power if that's what you're asking. | Jul 20 20:07 |
| scientes | but look at Ralph Nader | Jul 20 20:07 |
| scientes | that guy DID things | Jul 20 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | he got close to being elected mayor of Moscow, but then he wasn't. | Jul 20 20:07 |
| scientes | he was undoubtedly legitimate | Jul 20 20:07 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Sparky Linux 5.8 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126102 [https://pleroma.site/objects/78e093c9-2d54-4971-ac20-4eb2e172e5ef] | Jul 20 20:08 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: He has initiatives like Rosyama for reporting bad roads. | Jul 20 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But as I understand it, it all slowly died out. | Jul 20 20:09 |
| scientes | the problem with corruption is that is saps people's energy | Jul 20 20:09 |
| scientes | everyone knows its there | Jul 20 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Navalny's quite interesting in that he's trying to get into power by legitimate means. | Jul 20 20:11 |
| scientes | it makes people that are patriotic less enthused | Jul 20 20:11 |
| scientes | because they don't support to support the corrupt people that will no only get in the way | Jul 20 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But no matter the level – presidency, mayor, Moscow senate, there's no way to pass through the filter of magic. | Jul 20 20:11 |
| scientes | but claim the benifits unjustly for themselves | Jul 20 20:11 |
| scientes | and justice is what The Republic is all about | Jul 20 20:11 |
| scientes | yeah but that woman | Jul 20 20:12 |
| scientes | I don't like her | Jul 20 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Who? Lyubov' Sobol'? | Jul 20 20:12 |
| scientes | yeah i think that is her | Jul 20 20:13 |
| scientes | funny how you know who i am talking about | Jul 20 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Simple, there is a smear campaign for months against her (: | Jul 20 20:13 |
| scientes | I didn't see any of it | Jul 20 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | suddenly everyone knows who she is | Jul 20 20:13 |
| scientes | I just saw her asking questions to Putin | Jul 20 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | She asked Putin questions!? O_o | Jul 20 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | now that I need to see | Jul 20 20:14 |
| scientes | ok, probably differn't woman | Jul 20 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's on a verge of scientific impossibility. | Jul 20 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | she's unloved, no way she can get anywhere near him | Jul 20 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Maybe you're thinking Ksenia Sobchak | Jul 20 20:15 |
| scientes | oh yes that the woman | Jul 20 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | She has a rich biography. | Jul 20 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | No one likes her. | Jul 20 20:16 |
| XRevan86 | and after she "ran" for president in 2018, the opposition not only doesn't like her, they hate her | Jul 20 20:16 |
| scientes | BOOM! | Jul 20 20:17 |
| scientes | my code works | Jul 20 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not sure if the state likes her now, but she is definitely forgiven. | Jul 20 20:17 |
| scientes | I just found her annoying | Jul 20 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | She's back on state television, commercials, etc. | Jul 20 20:17 |
| scientes | and hypocratical | Jul 20 20:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: After she got herself into politics, she's no longer just annoying. | Jul 20 20:18 |
| <--rianne__ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) | Jul 20 20:19 | |
| XRevan86 | She used to be a reporter on Dozhd', an independent TV channel (now paid-only on the Internet after they were kicked-out by the state) | Jul 20 20:19 |
| XRevan86 | she self-proclaimed a member of the opposition | Jul 20 20:20 |
| XRevan86 | herself | Jul 20 20:20 |
| -->rianne__ (~liberty@host81-155-21-239.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 20:20 | |
| XRevan86 | She didn't exactly do a good job. I saw some interviews she conducted, and I found her to be… interruptive. | Jul 20 20:21 |
| XRevan86 | But then she decided to run for president, and for that she met with Putin for a blessing. | Jul 20 20:21 |
| XRevan86 | and so she represented the non-systemic opposition in the elections | Jul 20 20:22 |
| scientes | and I found her to be… interruptive. | Jul 20 20:22 |
| scientes | exactly | Jul 20 20:22 |
| scientes | it was annoying | Jul 20 20:23 |
| scientes | its the way of an angsty young woman | Jul 20 20:23 |
| XRevan86 | The state media painted her this way anyway. Look, we're open to new faces. We didn't let Navalny in, he's a shady character, but as a proof that we're open, look: Ksenia Sobchak, from channel Dozhd' | Jul 20 20:23 |
| scientes | but of course they pick a woman | Jul 20 20:23 |
| scientes | for the opposition character | Jul 20 20:23 |
| <--rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) | Jul 20 20:23 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Nah, I don't think that mattered. | Jul 20 20:23 |
| scientes | ok | Jul 20 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | She's a media person. | Jul 20 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | (in)famous | Jul 20 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | and a sell-out, what could possibly be better | Jul 20 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | Not sure how many votes she got. IIRC, around 0. | Jul 20 20:25 |
| scientes | negative | Jul 20 20:25 |
| XRevan86 | Despite being famous and stuff, no one would like to see an infantile character like she in power. | Jul 20 20:25 |
| XRevan86 | It also helps on that level: look, this is the non-systemic opposition – infantiles. | Jul 20 20:26 |
| XRevan86 | hipsters | Jul 20 20:26 |
| XRevan86 | They don't know anything, they just want to protest. | Jul 20 20:26 |
| scientes | yes I see that | Jul 20 20:26 |
| -->cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 20:27 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: DebConf19 invites you to Debian Open Day at the Federal University of Technology - Paraná (UTFPR), in Curitiba http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126103 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c49e9102-f6ac-48da-8936-2abf62783d7c] | Jul 20 20:27 | |
| XRevan86 | So yea, that's the character, a woman who did a 180° twice. | Jul 20 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | Although she probably still claims to be opposition. | Jul 20 20:28 |
| scientes | don't they all | Jul 20 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Fair enough. | Jul 20 20:29 |
| scientes | so does Putin | Jul 20 20:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The anti-globalist rhetoric? | Jul 20 20:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Globalism doesn't like Putin, so Putin doesn't like globalism. | Jul 20 20:30 |
| scientes | yeah that is about right | Jul 20 20:30 |
| scientes | but I think it is good for Russia in the long term | Jul 20 20:31 |
| scientes | it isn't like he didn't try | Jul 20 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | Globalism likes Xi, Xi likes globalism back. | Jul 20 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: He tries like he knows how. | Jul 20 20:31 |
| scientes | Globalism just really like to drop commodity prices to zero | Jul 20 20:31 |
| scientes | and that is bad for Russia | Jul 20 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: There's an emerging food monopoly – Miratorg. | Jul 20 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | The state feeds it like crazy. | Jul 20 20:32 |
| scientes | yeah but its meat | Jul 20 20:32 |
| scientes | so it isn't a existential threat to Russia | Jul 20 20:32 |
| scientes | the biggest existential thread, GMOs and Monsanto, was eliminated | Jul 20 20:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #GNU #Linux distributions: Can we do without hooks and triggers?http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126104 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0440e84d-90a4-4db5-87b5-69de57039e68] | Jul 20 20:32 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's part of the импортозамещение, so… | Jul 20 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Were they? I thought Russia opened doors to Monsanto a few years back. | Jul 20 20:33 |
| scientes | You know what CHina did? | Jul 20 20:33 |
| scientes | XRevan86, no, they are still GMO free | Jul 20 20:33 |
| scientes | its a huge political accomplishment | Jul 20 20:33 |
| scientes | If there is any sovereign nation in the world, it is Russia | Jul 20 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Putin went against the economy for less. | Jul 20 20:34 |
| scientes | the only nation capable of telling those fuckers to fuck-off | Jul 20 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's not a big deal. | Jul 20 20:34 |
| scientes | yeah it isn't that big of a deal | Jul 20 20:34 |
| scientes | but it is something | Jul 20 20:34 |
| scientes | I mean GMOs don't make sense on any level | Jul 20 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | Georgian wine and mineral water are going to be embargoed. | Jul 20 20:35 |
| scientes | but that doesn't stop greedy suicidal fucks fryom trying | Jul 20 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | Because of the recent anti-Putin protests there. | Jul 20 20:35 |
| scientes | geeze | Jul 20 20:35 |
| scientes | that are just pro-US protests | Jul 20 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And then there are "anti-sanctions" | Jul 20 20:35 |
| scientes | Azerbaijan too | Jul 20 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So Russia has embargoed for less. | Jul 20 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | that's my point | Jul 20 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | You screw our oligarchs, we forbid our citizens from buying your cheese. | Jul 20 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | it's simple as that | Jul 20 20:38 |
| scientes | mmmmm, I bought some great cheese here recent | Jul 20 20:38 |
| scientes | i should go buy the other half of that block | Jul 20 20:38 |
| scientes | it was like half of the price I expected too | Jul 20 20:38 |
| scientes | and its hard to get cheese and saussage that i like here, cause the latino thing is soft cheese and soft saussage, and I like the hard types of both | Jul 20 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | you protest something to do with a chair in a senate, we forbid our citizens from touring your country | Jul 20 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | I don't really get what those protests were about. | Jul 20 20:39 |
| <--rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) | Jul 20 20:40 | |
| scientes | pro-US | Jul 20 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | > Sergei Gavrilov, a member of the CPRF of the State Duma, sat in a chair reserved by protocol for the Head of Parliament and delivered a speech in Russian extolling the Orthodox brotherhood of Georgia and Russia. | Jul 20 20:42 |
| scientes | orange/purple/tangerize revolution | Jul 20 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | Why was this even a big deal I do not get. | Jul 20 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | Not even the United Russia | Jul 20 20:42 |
| scientes | it was only a protest because the US wheels are getting rusty | Jul 20 20:42 |
| scientes | and also because if there was a revolution Russia would quickly sweep in an annex the whole damn thing | Jul 20 20:43 |
| scientes | which is what they are waiting for in Ukraine | Jul 20 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Russia already swept in in Ukraine. | Jul 20 20:44 |
| scientes | Not the whole thing yet | Jul 20 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Nah, the population is too untamed. | Jul 20 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | Russia already took what it wanted: Crimea. Donbass would've been a nice bonus, but there are complications there. It's probably not worth it. | Jul 20 20:45 |
| scientes | Ukraine was once the strongest farm land in Europe | Jul 20 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | But there are rumours that it's not given up yet. | Jul 20 20:46 |
| scientes | before the soviets destroyed that | Jul 20 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Stalin isn't exactly famous for his cautious policy. | Jul 20 20:47 |
| scientes | now there is someone that preferred loyalty | Jul 20 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Especially after. | Jul 20 20:47 |
| scientes | lets get everyone to write a list of what they don't like about me | Jul 20 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | A rare person likes to hear a "I told you so" | Jul 20 20:48 |
| scientes | so I can have their heads severed and put on steaks | Jul 20 20:48 |
| scientes | I've been doing that in my programming | Jul 20 20:48 |
| scientes | it doesn't turn out well | Jul 20 20:49 |
| scientes | its better to just pretend that security problems don't exist and get your check | Jul 20 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | cheque or checkbox? | Jul 20 20:49 |
| <--schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Jul 20 20:49 | |
| scientes | cheque is british | Jul 20 20:49 |
| scientes | americans use checks (still!) | Jul 20 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | it's also distinct | Jul 20 20:49 |
| *XRevan86 likes distinct | Jul 20 20:49 | |
| -->schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 20:50 | |
| scientes | cheque out the distinct-lover :) | Jul 20 20:50 |
| scientes | like is it possible to get a bank account in Russia that doesn't rob you? | Jul 20 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Rob in what way? | Jul 20 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | commissions? | Jul 20 20:51 |
| scientes | foreign transaction fees | Jul 20 20:51 |
| scientes | unfair exchange rates | Jul 20 20:51 |
| scientes | low balance fees | Jul 20 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know. | Jul 20 20:52 |
| scientes | I've heard it is close to impossible | Jul 20 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | Well, typically there are two kinds of banks: | Jul 20 20:52 |
| scientes | I've got a bank in the US that is pretty damn nice | Jul 20 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | 1. state banks 2. shady banks | Jul 20 20:52 |
| scientes | I think I actually positive on my fees | Jul 20 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | State banks just don't care. | Jul 20 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | They know no matter what they do you'll come running to them anyway. | Jul 20 20:54 |
| scientes | they just rob you, like in the US/ | Jul 20 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | They do compete with each other, but it's like the twin-party competing in the US. | Jul 20 20:56 |
| scientes | cell phone companies in the US actually managed to compete themselves in to a reasonable situation | Jul 20 20:57 |
| scientes | there is also decent competition in peru | Jul 20 20:57 |
| scientes | 4 companies | Jul 20 20:57 |
| scientes | that's what you need for competition | Jul 20 20:57 |
| scientes | however there is no network neutrality | Jul 20 20:58 |
| scientes | so the cell phone companies sell two products: home internet, and cell phone internet | Jul 20 20:58 |
| scientes | and they are pretty adament about not letting people realize these are the same damn product | Jul 20 20:59 |
| scientes | > Miratorg is a subsidiary company of Agromir Ltd., which is based in Cyprus and "has a 99.9% ownership interest in" Miratorg.[4] | Jul 20 21:00 |
| scientes | that's not very soverign | Jul 20 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You'll find that many state-affiliated companies operate this way. | Jul 20 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | Somehow even senile mothers of prominent figures within the United Russia prefer offshores for their companies. | Jul 20 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Even the company that organises Putin's friendly hockey matches is an offshore. | Jul 20 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | the main sponsor rather | Jul 20 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The thing about corruption is that it feels good to conduct it, but not so much to keep your crap near it. | Jul 20 21:14 |
| scientes | not for me | Jul 20 21:14 |
| scientes | its a sexual type of high | Jul 20 21:14 |
| scientes | domination | Jul 20 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: To the greedy, I guess. | Jul 20 21:14 |
| scientes | or the lazy | Jul 20 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | It pays to be on top of the corruption chain | Jul 20 21:14 |
| scientes | that is certainly true | Jul 20 21:14 |
| scientes | there are plenty that are greedy just because they are lazy | Jul 20 21:15 |
| scientes | but at least in the current economy I can't imagine greed being easier | Jul 20 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | but it is also not a reliable place for keeping the acquired goods | Jul 20 21:15 |
| scientes | well that is always the problem with greed, isn't it? | Jul 20 21:16 |
| scientes | you can't take it with you to the grave unless you are the Pharoah (or also the Incan rulers)... | Jul 20 21:16 |
| scientes | Charles Dicken's Great Expectations was excellent on this (I only watched the movie) | Jul 20 21:17 |
| scientes | I only started the book | Jul 20 21:17 |
| scientes | but it was written in serial, which makes it kinda like TV vs Movies | Jul 20 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm trying to say that politically loyal Putin's servants aren't economically loyal to Russia. | Jul 20 21:18 |
| scientes | yes I got that | Jul 20 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | They'd rather store their stuff in a more reliable place. | Jul 20 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | and their kids | Jul 20 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know what I'm supposed to think when I see politicians of Russia trying to keep a safe distance between their families and Russia. | Jul 20 21:21 |
| scientes | but the whole world is like that these days | Jul 20 21:22 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Do Usonian senators spend their weekends in Europe? | Jul 20 21:23 |
| scientes | the US it the top of it | Jul 20 21:23 |
| scientes | you can't go up from there | Jul 20 21:23 |
| scientes | so apparently I am an aristocrat | Jul 20 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I won't kiss your shoes %) | Jul 20 21:23 |
| scientes | (actually I am)---this Peruano invited me to live with him, and he didn't even take rent up front | Jul 20 21:23 |
| scientes | its was super weird | Jul 20 21:24 |
| scientes | he had links to mining in Peru as well | Jul 20 21:24 |
| scientes | glad I got out of that situation | Jul 20 21:24 |
| scientes | I mean he had an ad on craigslist | Jul 20 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | There's something lame in the Borg having a Queen. | Jul 20 21:29 |
| scientes | basically, my advise is that you separate people into two groups: people who's work is grounded in the physical word--engineers like you and I, and people who's work is in being a decoration to society (I am also a cellist) | Jul 20 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | I used to think their some kind of insane crowd only concerned with self-preservation. | Jul 20 21:30 |
| scientes | but there are many people that just don't have any training in the physical worls | Jul 20 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | Turns out, they're just slaves to an evil woman | Jul 20 21:30 |
| scientes | and to those whose life revolves around the physical word these people's actions often seem bizaare and non-sensicle | Jul 20 21:30 |
| <--mmu_man has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) | Jul 20 21:32 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126105 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b7ab635c-db4c-4456-9fdd-8f752f2d379a] | Jul 20 21:39 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM Announcements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126106 [https://pleroma.site/objects/77809b69-8a47-4f50-a1c2-9c33371cc4bc] | Jul 20 21:40 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's hard to understand people who live on a different astral plane indeed. | Jul 20 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | It's easier to understand people who game a self-serving system. | Jul 20 21:55 |
| XRevan86 | but not when they're trying to pretend they're helping the common folk | Jul 20 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | then their reasoning becomes so abstract I'd rather not waste my time trying to untangle it | Jul 20 21:57 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to cubexyz schestowitz | Jul 20 21:58 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/shJmSLn | Jul 20 22:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Just as valid in 2019 as it was in 1968 - Album on Imgur | Jul 20 22:11 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: nice | Jul 20 22:15 |
| -->mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 22:38 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/rbRlWNd.mp4 | Jul 20 22:47 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to mmu_man | Jul 20 22:47 | |
| scientes | JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS | Jul 20 23:04 |
| MinceR | is dead | Jul 20 23:04 |
| -->decnet (~decnet@gateway/tor-sasl/decnet) has joined #techrights | Jul 20 23:15 | |
| <--decnet has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Jul 20 23:31 | |
| <--Firee has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) | Jul 20 23:41 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
