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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alumniUoM: @schestowitz Hi Roy, apologies that you're not happy with our approach. We have invited alumni to submit questions… 29 13:53
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amarsh04schestowitz have found that kind of situation with concerts using e-tickets in Japan, some deliberately try to be inclusive (Tixeebox needs at least an android or apple smartphone), but the concert promoters can do things like verification against a Japanese telephone number and non-residents can't have a Japanese mobile numberApr 29 14:11
amarsh04I was able to get a travel agent to do the verification for me, but unless the promoters deliberately try to be inclusive they discriminate against people without smartphones / non residents ...Apr 29 14:13
oiaohmamarsh04: I like the theory that non-residents cannot have a Japanese mobile number.    Its more that the japanese anti scapling laws apply to residents.Apr 29 14:17
oiaohmamarsh04: so if you have to use a local agent you cannot be scapling.Apr 29 14:17
oiaohmamarsh04: one of my friends has a girl friend who is Japanese.   He does have a japanese mobile number even that he is not resident.    Required to sign stack of paperwork in japan and home country so that if he does a crime with said japan phone he is to go to japan without question and answer japan courts. Apr 29 14:20
oiaohmBasically you don't need to be a resident to have a japan phone number.   But you have to agree to obey japan laws using it and face their courts.   If he did not need for business he would not have done it.Apr 29 14:21
MinceRthere are no apple smartphonesApr 29 14:32
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oiaohmMinceR: like or not its meets the define of a smartphone. 29 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The world's first smartphone, Simon, was created 15 years before the iPhone | Business InsiderApr 29 14:39
oiaohmMinceR: you have to remember the term smartphone was defined in 1992 when all the software could be write into a once write rom.Apr 29 14:40
oiaohmSmartphone by term does not have to mean you can upgrade the bugger or install third party software.Apr 29 14:40
oiaohmWe really do need a new term.Apr 29 14:40
MinceRafaik the Simon could run any software off a memory cardApr 29 14:46
MinceRwithout it having to be signed by anyoneApr 29 14:46
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oiaohmMinceR: there were models done of the simon without memory card for secure usage.Apr 29 14:51
oiaohmMinceR: and those were still called smartphones.Apr 29 14:52
oiaohmThe term smartphone does in fact mandate that you can run third party applications.   It mandates features more than you find in a general feature phone.Apr 29 14:53
MinceRoiaohm: so what's the difference between smartphones and featurephones?Apr 29 14:53
XRevan86oiaohm: But not J2ME applications, eh :)Apr 29 14:55
MinceRhypePhones can't even run j2meApr 29 14:55
MinceRmy first featurephone was more open than those pieces of shit :)Apr 29 14:55
oiaohmOriginal feature difference bigger screen and a touch screen and applications that support touch screen. Apr 29 14:56
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XRevan86My first cell phone was Nokia 3110, I wonder if that counts as a featurephone %)Apr 29 14:56
MinceRbigger than what?Apr 29 14:56
MinceRalso, where's the citation?Apr 29 14:57
MinceRapparently the IBM Simon had a 4.7127487" screen. someone call nokia and tell them they're not allowed to market the nokia 6260 as a smartphoneApr 29 14:58
MinceRor the nokia 9110i communicatorApr 29 14:59
oiaohm      I did not say what way the screen was measured.Apr 29 15:00
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MinceRalso someone call htc and tell them they're not allowed to market the HTC Wizard as a smartphone eitherApr 29 15:00
oiaohmFeature phones really did not have historically big screens.Apr 29 15:00
MinceRneither did smartphonesApr 29 15:00
MinceR"Request has been terminated Possible causes: the network is offline, Origin is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin, the page is being unloaded, etc."Apr 29 15:00
MinceRtime is a piece of shit siteApr 29 15:00
oiaohmNote I said original feature difference.Apr 29 15:00
oiaohmMy old feature phones could run j2me applications as well.Apr 29 15:01
MinceRyeahApr 29 15:01
MinceRfrom which follows that hypePhones are dumbphonesApr 29 15:01
MinceRwhich is fitting, as they're designed for dumb peopleApr 29 15:01
oiaohmIt fairly much comes it has a touch screen its a smartphone.Apr 29 15:01
MinceRno, it does notApr 29 15:01
oiaohmBy what is unique.Apr 29 15:01
MinceRnokia sold plenty of smartphone models which did not have a touchscreenApr 29 15:02
MinceRso did blackberry, iircApr 29 15:02
MinceRand sony-ericssonApr 29 15:02
MinceR"Although the term "smartphone" was not coined until 1995, because of Simon's features and capabilities, it has been retrospectively referred to as the first smartphone." -- 29 15:02
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oiaohmProblem is the term feature phone and smartphone basically overlap.Apr 29 15:03
MinceRthere's a pretty handy and meaningful differenceApr 29 15:03
oiaohmYou know you are 100 percent in smartphone when you have touch screen.Apr 29 15:03
MinceRit's just that crApple cultists don't like that it existsApr 29 15:04
MinceRno, i do notApr 29 15:04
oiaohmOther than what you think is a smartphone could be defined as a feature phone by the maker.Apr 29 15:04
MinceRcould be, but isn'tApr 29 15:04
oiaohmand reviewers.Apr 29 15:04
oiaohmSorry it happened enough times.Apr 29 15:04
MinceRmost reviewers are idiotsApr 29 15:05
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MinceRit's bad enough that this industry was flooded by hordes of idiots, it's even worse to let them redefine everythingApr 29 15:05
MinceR"crApple can't put anything other than a touchscreen into a mobile phone and my butt would hurt if i didn't get to call the hypePhone a smartphone, therefore i decided that a touchscreen is sufficient for a phone to be a smartphone"Apr 29 15:06
oiaohmThe problem was the split between feature phone and smart phone is really mud.    Smart phones bigger processor and ram than feature phones that another difference.    Running third party applications is not a difference.   Being locked or not locked to third party applications store is not a difference either.Apr 29 15:09
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oiaohmAgain how much bigger processor and ram makes something a smartphone to a feature phone is another thing that can basically get into debate.Apr 29 15:10
oiaohmI really hope one day we can have a term meaning decent phone.   That is able to be upgraded by your or the maker due to being true foss software.Apr 29 15:12
MinceRfunny thing, hypePhones also suck specwiseApr 29 15:12
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MinceRand they're also smaller than the smartphones of the same generationApr 29 15:13
oiaohmThat a iphone is called a smartphone does not mean it a good phone because the define of smartphone you can get away with a mega crap device and call it smartphone.Apr 29 15:13
oiaohmLike you see so called android smartphone watches with insanely small touch screens.Apr 29 15:13
MinceRthe whole point of a smartphone is the extra functionality afforded by the open platform and the filesystem shared by its applicationsApr 29 15:13
MinceRletting you do some actual work on files, not just on the webApr 29 15:13
MinceRhypeOS allows none of this, unless it's jailbrokenApr 29 15:14
oiaohmNot all the early smartphones where open platform early blackberry you had to by sdk.Apr 29 15:14
oiaohmby/buyApr 29 15:14
oiaohmThis is my problem smartphone does not mean what we want it to mean.Apr 29 15:14
MinceRi don't know blackberry that well, it was aimed at something other than what i was interested inApr 29 15:14
MinceRyeah, it means whatever someone else you appoint wants it to meanApr 29 15:15
MinceRand screw all the industry practices from before crApple fucked it upApr 29 15:15
MinceR(like they fuck everything else up)Apr 29 15:15
oiaohmPlease note blackberry the first item release with the term smartphone was not that open.Apr 29 15:16
oiaohmOpen platform was not part of the early smartphone define.Apr 29 15:16
MinceRthe first blackberry came out in 1999Apr 29 15:16
MinceRthat was a late comerApr 29 15:16
MinceRthe term was coined in 1995Apr 29 15:16
oiaohmCoined yet defines not directly released with the term.Apr 29 15:17
MinceRand the first blackberry was a two-way pagerApr 29 15:17
MinceRnot even a phoneApr 29 15:17
oiaohmeven when the smartphone term was made there was horrible debate if x or y devices should be smartphones or just advanced feature phones.Apr 29 15:18
MinceRand if there's a debate, you get rid of your standardsApr 29 15:18
oiaohmExactly Apr 29 15:18
oiaohmbasically it broken down.   Define was not clear enough.Apr 29 15:18
MinceRor people were trying to cut cornersApr 29 15:19
MinceRcall it a smartphone but not give the user what that impliesApr 29 15:19
oiaohmThat why you need a really solid clear define.Apr 29 15:19
oiaohmThat cannot be debated.Apr 29 15:19
MinceRinstead force them into your little walled garden so you don't have to compete with competent software developersApr 29 15:19
MinceRthe apple way.Apr 29 15:19
MinceRalso tax them 30% for every saleApr 29 15:20
oiaohmNokia and other makers on advanced feature phone/early possible smartphones started messing with the walled garden app stores.Apr 29 15:20
oiaohmBefore apple Apr 29 15:20
MinceRnokia didn't do thatApr 29 15:20
oiaohmMind you apple takes a way bigger cut than any of those.Apr 29 15:20
MinceRthey merely fucked with application signingApr 29 15:21
MinceRafaik only a few APIs (such as DRM) were locked behind their approvalApr 29 15:21
oiaohmNokia was charging for signing.Apr 29 15:21
MinceRand there were several symbian releases before mandatory app signingApr 29 15:21
oiaohmAs I said light cost.Apr 29 15:21
oiaohmNot Apples 30% bullshit charge.Apr 29 15:21
MinceRthere was also a way to sign with a self-signed certificate, which they did not charge forApr 29 15:21
MinceRit just locked you out of a few APIsApr 29 15:21
oiaohmAgain locked out of those API was walled garden early experments.Apr 29 15:22
oiaohmWill you pay for API access or will you not.Apr 29 15:22
MinceRindeed, and microsoft and google are experimenting with that againApr 29 15:23
MinceRwith microsoft, it's UWP, with google, it's google playApr 29 15:23
MinceRapple has probably killed the smartphone and the general purpose computer by making closed platforms popularApr 29 15:26
MinceRwe're seeing their death throesApr 29 15:26
MinceRi wonder how they expect to develop software for their appliances once no computers suitable for that purpose are manufactured anymore, thoughApr 29 15:27
oiaohmWe are starting to see the rise of FOSS silicon and other things.Apr 29 15:28
MinceRi wonder if the powers that be will allow thatApr 29 15:29
oiaohmReality is Apple with iphone really just pushed to extreams to what was already happening with smartphones.Apr 29 15:29
MinceRor it will be banned like routers with firmware you could replace with a FLOSS oneApr 29 15:29
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MinceRwhich smartphones was it happening with?Apr 29 15:29
oiaohmEarly experments with wall gardening.Apr 29 15:29
oiaohmApple takes that to the extream.Apr 29 15:30
MinceRwhose experiments?Apr 29 15:30
oiaohmWith nokia and the locked out apis,  and others from that earlier time frame.Apr 29 15:30
MinceRthose don't come anywhere near what apple didApr 29 15:31
oiaohmAs I said extream.Apr 29 15:31
oiaohmYou take those basic things that device makers were getting away with and go how far can I push that for my benifit and that is apple.Apr 29 15:31
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MinceRso why excuse them?Apr 29 15:32
oiaohmwe are started to see with color os out of china forced bundled applications and force app store usage as well.Apr 29 15:33
oiaohmI don't excuse apple for what they did.Apr 29 15:33
oiaohmBut the problem I have its not going to be only apple who looks at it and says cool we can go extream and profit.Apr 29 15:33
oiaohmReason why I want some correctly define term for phones that basically says no walled garden.Apr 29 15:34
oiaohmTo be correct no walled garden and upgradeable as long as user wishes.Apr 29 15:35
MinceRaccording to GSM Arena, the Ericsson R380 had a "Big" screen. so informative! so precise!Apr 29 15:36
oiaohmYep super vague greedy device makers ideal world for profit.Apr 29 15:37
MinceRit's a specs siteApr 29 15:37
oiaohmThat can be what was written on the Ericssons spec sheet as well.Apr 29 15:38
oiaohmThey did not include physical sizes of screen all the time.  Small, medium, large, big. Apr 29 15:39
oiaohmAnd just to be horrible the model with medium in spec sheet could have large screen than large and big in the same ericssons generation of devices.Apr 29 15:39
MinceR:>Apr 29 15:40
oiaohmLot of ways other than phsysical define things anything else about phones has been fairly much marketing terms used how the device maker would think would get them the most sales/profit.Apr 29 15:41
MinceReven the first smartphone with a capacitive touchscreen, the LG Prada only had a 3" screenApr 29 15:41
oiaohmLike advanced feature phone for your low end model and then a smartphone for the high end yet they both basically have the same cpu/ram maybe a screen size difference at times.Apr 29 15:42
oiaohmIt basically been that horrible.Apr 29 15:42
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MinceRthe platform was supposed to make the differenceApr 29 15:42
MinceRand with nokia, it certainly didApr 29 15:43
oiaohmNot all device makers obeyed that.Apr 29 15:43
MinceRthey had very similar monoblock phones with non-touch screen with a wide difference in price, one being a featurephone running something like Series 40, the other running Symbian (usually with Series 60 UI)Apr 29 15:43
oiaohmthis is mess before apple.Apr 29 15:43
MinceRand the latter being a smartphone, of courseApr 29 15:44
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oiaohmLG , sony/ericson, moto it was not as nicely clear cut has nokia had it.Apr 29 15:44
oiaohmBasically the rules on what was a smartphone was basically well and truly busted before apple turned up.Apr 29 15:45
oiaohmOf course apple took advantage of the fact it was busted but that is apple.Apr 29 15:45
MinceRiirc Sony-Ericsson was pretty clear cut tooApr 29 15:46
oiaohmExcept for the few models they decide to call advanced feature phones so they could charge more for the smartphone models.Apr 29 15:46
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oiaohmThat was not great move long term.Apr 29 15:47
oiaohmMinceR: you can fairly much say greed ruined the smartphone term/branding.Apr 29 15:49
MinceRmainly apple'sApr 29 15:50
oiaohmThe ruining starts before apple turns up.Apr 29 15:50
oiaohmApple just was the most greedy as so sure they could get away with more.Apr 29 15:51
oiaohmMinceR: we have to live with the results of the early screw ups.Apr 29 15:53
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oiaohmThink if smartphones had remained defined as a phone with open API for third party applications we would not have the android google play service madness.Apr 29 15:53
schestowitz[14:13] <amarsh04> I was able to get a travel agent to do the verification for me, but unless the promoters deliberately try to be inclusive they discriminate against people without smartphones / non residents ...Apr 29 15:58
schestowitzthis kind of discrimination is common not only in Japan, amarsh04Apr 29 15:58
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XRevan86MinceR: This is mean.Apr 29 21:47
MinceRas it should beApr 29 21:48
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DaemonFC[m]I got to wear the big suit.Apr 30 05:12
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: who are these?Apr 30 06:14
schestowitzMinceR: if it's a cucumber...?Apr 30 06:14
DaemonFC[m]> DaemonFC: who are these?Apr 30 06:32
DaemonFC[m]Jason Krause on the left. Lead singer of Big Suit. Me on the right. It's a Talking Heads tribute band.Apr 30 06:32
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mp_en_viajehelloApr 30 10:03
schestowitzhiApr 30 10:10
mp_en_viajesoo, this place was recently mentioned in the most serene republic's forum. i figured i'd check it out.Apr 30 10:11
schestowitzswitzerland?Apr 30 10:12
mp_en_viaje << item.Apr 30 10:12
mp_en_viajeanyone know that cat-v reference ?Apr 30 10:12
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mp_en_viajehm.Apr 30 10:12
schestowitznot reach siteApr 30 10:12
mp_en_viajehttp:// 30 10:12
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mp_en_viajethere's some dns shenanigans afoot i guess. anyways.Apr 30 10:13
schestowitzcatv?Apr 30 10:13
schestowitznot idea what that isApr 30 10:13
mp_en_viajealright. so what's this all about then ?Apr 30 10:13
schestowitzverbase cat ;-)Apr 30 10:13
schestowitzverboseApr 30 10:13
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, cat-v was an attempt by thinking people to salvage computers in particular and intellectual activity in general from the mob of retards & other children not left behind that should've been left behind. it principally revolved around one fellow, who died. after he died, the thing turned into scar tissue.Apr 30 10:14
schestowitzcat-v does sound familiarApr 30 10:15
schestowitzjust not sure where fromApr 30 10:15
mp_en_viajeaite.Apr 30 10:16
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, so are you running the channel logger ?Apr 30 10:16
schestowitzfor 11+ years nowApr 30 10:18
mp_en_viajethat's a longish time. what all happened in the interval ?Apr 30 10:19
schestowitzwe changed missionsApr 30 10:20
schestowitzas Novell went out of businessApr 30 10:21
*mp_en_viaje is listening.Apr 30 10:23
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, afaik they were jsut bought by some other corp, continuing as division.Apr 30 10:23
mp_en_viajeLSE: MCROApr 30 10:24
mp_en_viajesame guys who bought to bury the borland source code pile etcetera.Apr 30 10:24
schestowitz3 changeoversApr 30 10:25
schestowitzsince 2010Apr 30 10:25
mp_en_viajebasically, the empire's been warehousing / concentrating its various outposts in the republic since the big leaks.Apr 30 10:25
schestowitzattachmate the firstApr 30 10:25
schestowitznow some Swedish holding companyApr 30 10:26
schestowitzbut in parts, Novell has been further partitioned sinceApr 30 10:26
schestowitzSUSE is a big SAP supplierApr 30 10:26
schestowitzGerman Intel/BND and others in its networkApr 30 10:26
mp_en_viajeright.Apr 30 10:26
mp_en_viajeso was this internally represented as some sort of victory, or rather as simple defeat, "we can't meaningfully interact with this fox in all fairness" ?Apr 30 10:27
schestowitzoh, since you mention this..Apr 30 10:28
schestowitzyou have GOT to read this:Apr 30 10:28
schestowitzit's a week or two old:Apr 30 10:28
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mp_en_viajealright, since you say i gotta, then im gonna.Apr 30 10:29
schestowitzshows how effective we were even one decade agoApr 30 10:29
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, there's two things i dislike about that site. one is that the viewport's extremely narrow, i have to zoom in like 4 times. the other's that it misses the selection thing, like therefore if i want to link to a specific item iApr 30 10:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-That spiffy selection thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.Apr 30 10:30
mp_en_viaje'm sol.Apr 30 10:30 has the same design as in 2006Apr 30 10:31
schestowitzit's intentional, maybe a feature, we're a tad retroApr 30 10:31
mp_en_viajei guess.Apr 30 10:32
schestowitzwannt get an APPPPPP?Apr 30 10:32
schestowitzWith SOCIAL MEEEEDIA?Apr 30 10:32
mp_en_viajeno.Apr 30 10:32
schestowitzAnd 30 MB of JAVAAAASCRIPT?Apr 30 10:32
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, you don't know who i am, do you ?Apr 30 10:32
schestowitzI don'tApr 30 10:34
schestowitzpotentially edgy it seems, but not intimidatingApr 30 10:35
schestowitzmp_en_viaje is ~humperdinApr 30 10:35
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, << can start say there.Apr 30 10:36
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schestowitz Mircea Popescu ?Apr 30 10:36
mp_en_viajeyes.Apr 30 10:36
mp_en_viajehence the mp.Apr 30 10:36
schestowitzahaApr 30 10:37
mp_en_viajebut anyway, as to the article i'm reading : "We have lots to say to refute this letter, but why bother replying to it directly?" << i can tell you why it's worth replying to it directly : because as i come by and try to evaluate what's going on, i can't quite understand what's in contention. are you proposing you got the dude fired ? are you proposing his fellow rats didn't hire him anymore because you put the kaibosh on his head, like it happenApr 30 10:37
mp_en_viajeed when i sent rando "bitcoin head developer" packing ? is it simply a case of "oh noes, lawyers send letters, we've been chosen" ? Apr 30 10:37
mp_en_viajei don't know what i'm reading here.Apr 30 10:38
schestowitzI wrote that in a hurry amid EPO coverageApr 30 10:38
schestowitzhad I gone into details, it would be clearer with more links to articles from 2010Apr 30 10:39
schestowitzwe're past 25,000 articles at techrights nowApr 30 10:39
mp_en_viajefor all i can readily evaluate, the ~only factual statement in all of this, specifically whether any suse employees were terminated at so and so juncture, may even be true. in any case i don't perceive enough substance there to send my own intel checking -- specifically because you make no strong statement either way, for all i know you're agreeing ?Apr 30 10:39
schestowitzI stated upfront that I wasn't going to do a detailed rebuttal of the latter (albeit I could)Apr 30 10:40
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, i once sat down at a bar, and asked for apple pie. they brought me it. i tried some. girl asked me what's the problem ? i said the pie's not very good. she replied "oh, we have so many pies". "are any good ?" "not really". Apr 30 10:40
mp_en_viajeyou see where this is heading ?Apr 30 10:40
schestowitz(remember this goes back almost a decade when I wrote about 10 articles a day)Apr 30 10:40
mp_en_viajenothing wrong with that.Apr 30 10:40
schestowitzputting the letter out there was the key thingApr 30 10:40
schestowitzhe could not get a job after Novell because he had colluded with Steve Ballmer Apr 30 10:41
mp_en_viaje"supported by a lot of media references" << see, but all i find here is a summary statement i can't evaluate. Apr 30 10:41
mp_en_viajebut sure, nothing wrong with putting the letter out there.Apr 30 10:41
mp_en_viajedo you want to see a letter i put out there ?Apr 30 10:41
schestowitzgo for itApr 30 10:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Interacting with fiat institutions, a guide on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.Apr 30 10:42
*schestowitz looksApr 30 10:43
mp_en_viaje~same idea, except of course from the administration rather than from the private side of that liberal profession ; and i daresay with clearly-er stated points of fact, law an' ideology.Apr 30 10:43
schestowitzWow, very courageousApr 30 10:44
schestowitzThe Novell letter wasn't even the 'scary' oneApr 30 10:44
schestowitzwe got some from EPO lawyers, who didn't like us receiving leaks that expose corruptionApr 30 10:44
schestowitzAnd there was the case Microsoft OOXML threats, I think it's the first we got (2008)Apr 30 10:45
mp_en_viajeoh, keks. here : (that time when we published a buncha admin pws for a bunch of public funds bought, useless "green energy" pieces of shit)Apr 30 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The incidental humiliation of Obama's "clean energy" policies ; Marc Andreessen's Internet of Farts and other such comedic gold bricks. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.Apr 30 10:45
schestowitzgreenwashingApr 30 10:46
schestowitzdid you see wikileaks macron leaks?Apr 30 10:46
mp_en_viajequite. but you see, with ~numbers~. with dates, with fucking passwords so everyoen can check etcetera.Apr 30 10:46
schestowitzthey too have something to that effectApr 30 10:46
mp_en_viajenot easy to get by now, it's such ridiculous nonsense it leaks like a sieve.Apr 30 10:46
schestowitzadmission that carbon tax would somehow balanced removal of employees benefitApr 30 10:46
mp_en_viajecourse, the linked piece was 2017, ie, as per usual, before wikileaks. and actually, before people started figuring out the whole solar scam.Apr 30 10:47
schestowitzI remember that article from Gavin Clarke about openbsdApr 30 10:48
schestowitzhe no longer writes there AFAIKApr 30 10:48
mp_en_viajepossibly not.Apr 30 10:48
schestowitzHe used to cover lots of Microsoft PRApr 30 10:48
schestowitzLater a bit of CanonicalApr 30 10:48
mp_en_viajebut anyway, the only important point here, rather far from "oh yeah ? well my daddy could beat your daddy" or whatever dickmeasuring, is that existence is predicated on action. gotta DO to exist.Apr 30 10:49
schestowitzactivism sense?Apr 30 10:50
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schestowitzlolApr 30 10:50
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schestowitzsuse just published thisApr 30 10:50
schestowitzSAP PR every single day this month.Apr 30 10:50
mp_en_viajemeh, "activism" doesn't mean much to me. no, republican sense.Apr 30 10:50
schestowitzare you referring to the lawyers' pockets and some such?Apr 30 10:52
mp_en_viajeno, i'm referring to say the republic baking its own hardware ; there's a guy who lives in uruguay to maintain our independent datacenter ; some guy went to qatar on diplomatic mission. did i tell you about that time i enslaved the head of the hr dept of usg's airline security mfg, leaving them in a lurch ? Apr 30 10:53
mp_en_viajethat sorta thing. doing.Apr 30 10:53
schestowitzwhat is the end goal?Apr 30 10:56
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mp_en_viajethe end goal is the definitive destruction of even the possibility of the socialist state.Apr 30 10:56
schestowitzshould have added nsfwApr 30 10:59
mp_en_viajehm. i guess i should have.Apr 30 10:59
mp_en_viajeof course, from where i sit the "nsfw" notion's as much part of the problem as macron or w/e similar oldwoman-driven bullshit.Apr 30 11:00
schestowitztrudeau obama  and macronApr 30 11:01
schestowitzyoung, but persisting with same agendaApr 30 11:01
schestowitzmaybe good at getting some millennial votes, people who still have energy and activismApr 30 11:02
mp_en_viajethere's some debate ongoing whether it's properly speaking any kind of agenda. in principle, stuff in your fridge molds because it molds, not because it conspires to mold.Apr 30 11:02
mp_en_viajethe failure modes of society are driven by failure, not necessarily by conspiracy.Apr 30 11:02
schestowitzthat's trueApr 30 11:03
schestowitzability to change is restrained by all sorts of underhanded meansApr 30 11:03
mp_en_viajeso then, from the socialism=stupidity grand equation, one can readily arrive at "if there wasn't this '''particular''' macronobama, there'd have been '''another''', much like meat left in the sun will be flyblown, not by any ~particular~ fly, but by the circumstances of meat, open air, and sun above.Apr 30 11:04
schestowitzthe trajectories do vary, there's competition over themApr 30 11:06
mp_en_viajei suppose there is.Apr 30 11:06
schestowitzideaologiesApr 30 11:06
schestowitzgod complexesApr 30 11:06
schestowitz*ideologiesApr 30 11:06
schestowitzbill gates has managed to turn all US schools (getting there) privateApr 30 11:07
schestowitzfor-profit, oligarch-ownedApr 30 11:07
mp_en_viajeif not owned by the lord and master, how are schools supposed to work ?Apr 30 11:08
mp_en_viajeoxford worked for as long as it was oligarch-owned, and died ignominously just as soon as that went away.Apr 30 11:08
schestowitzteachersApr 30 11:08
mp_en_viajebut teacher either means "someone who understands the lord" or else means "some rando talking gibberish"Apr 30 11:09
schestowitzadministration kills academia and schoolsApr 30 11:09
mp_en_viajenow that is true.Apr 30 11:09
schestowitzoverpaid bureaucratsApr 30 11:09
mp_en_viajebut it's true principally because lordship abdicated from ownership.Apr 30 11:09
schestowitzwhat about NHS?Apr 30 11:10
schestowitzOverpaying some private firms nowApr 30 11:10
schestowitzsame in FinlandApr 30 11:10
mp_en_viajetoo many doctors, their guild failed some time ago.Apr 30 11:10
mp_en_viajebut it failed like everything fails : once authority abdicates, the scar tissue moves in. those bureaucrats, obviously enough want to save their necks, as their first imperative. but in secnd place, they don't want to fuck shi tup. they want to do as best they can.Apr 30 11:11
mp_en_viajethe problem is that there's no possibility of meaning except as predicated upon authority. absent authority, maning dissolves and the poor schmucks are left without a rudder.Apr 30 11:11
mp_en_viajeso they replace schooling with pep rallies and "safety debriefs" or w/e.Apr 30 11:12
schestowitzw/e?Apr 30 11:13
mp_en_viajew/e = whatever.Apr 30 11:13
schestowitzic..Apr 30 11:14
schestowitzeither way...Apr 30 11:16
schestowitzschools should be paternalistic in the merits senseApr 30 11:16
mp_en_viajethe problem with nhs isn't the n in it. the problem's everyone involved is trying to get in george costanza's position, "they can't accuse me of not being comfortable", rather than trying to do anything positive.Apr 30 11:16
schestowitzprofit motive skewers themApr 30 11:16
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, or rather, schools can't be any other way. though people could go about calling african temples "schools", this is not unlike calling cow piss "beer". if you do you do and once you stop doing it...Apr 30 11:17
mp_en_viajeit's not at all clear to me that profit motive has anything to do with any of it.Apr 30 11:17
schestowitzmerit is OKApr 30 11:17
schestowitzmerit and profit isn't always the sameApr 30 11:18
mp_en_viajeempirically evident, this.Apr 30 11:18
schestowitzthat it is or isn't?Apr 30 11:18
mp_en_viajethat they're not always the same.Apr 30 11:19
schestowitzindoctrination tells people otherwiseApr 30 11:19
mp_en_viajeif you give free money to idiots, those idiots can then band together and invest random nonsense with "profit", arbitrarily. much like if you give the same idiots "choice" they can go about reconstructing lords out of scapegoats. and so on.Apr 30 11:19
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schestowitzOK, but if profits begets profit, that too can evade a moralistic perspectiveApr 30 11:21
schestowitzyou could chop down the Amazon forests. but that would not be as clever as profitable (sort term)Apr 30 11:21
schestowitz*shortApr 30 11:21
mp_en_viajealcibiades of athens does not become leonidas ist through the procedure of athens gathering together and "agreeing" alcibiades is leonidas. nor by voting, not any other way. and some random pornai from the port doesn't become gorgo just because the punters say so.Apr 30 11:23
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, well obviously, profit miscalculated (such as by externalizing internalities) is just a joke. a teenager could run a "profitable" 2nd hand shop by cutting school and selling his mother's wardrobe while the parents are at work. this is profit only from the particularly braindamaged pov of adolescents.Apr 30 11:24
mp_en_viajein fact, every dollar he makes costs him more than a dollar. however he misrepresents this fact to himself.Apr 30 11:24
schestowitzrightApr 30 11:25
mp_en_viajewell, so then there's a difference between the profit motive (i'm not going to drive 50 miles to fill the tank a cent cheaper per gallon, it's not profitable) and sheer idiocy (ima sell dad's shoes for cheap)Apr 30 11:25
schestowitzSocietal cost isn't just economic thoughApr 30 11:26
mp_en_viajeprofit motive nude and rude is the basis of what little sanity's left in the world.Apr 30 11:26
schestowitzthe examples you provided boil down to currency aloneApr 30 11:26
mp_en_viajeso give some others.Apr 30 11:26
schestowitzhuman pain might be one measurable attribute, or contrariwise happinessApr 30 11:27
mp_en_viaje"the avoidance of pain can never be the point of policy ; for the simplest solution to this problem is just killing everyone."Apr 30 11:27
schestowitzsource?Apr 30 11:28
mp_en_viaje<Apr 30 11:28
schestowitza bit simplisticApr 30 11:28
schestowitzif not nihilisticApr 30 11:28
mp_en_viajeit's a matter of fact, though. (poincare -- not the scientist, his brother, the politician -- also said something very similar)Apr 30 11:29
schestowitzprofit is a debt systemApr 30 11:30
schestowitzdebt is existent in natureApr 30 11:30
schestowitzbut humans take it further, to greater scaleApr 30 11:30
mp_en_viajei don't follow that.Apr 30 11:30
schestowitzso if you strive for profit but have nobody left, then it defeats its very creatorApr 30 11:30
schestowitzmonkeys have debt tooApr 30 11:31
schestowitzowing favours and suchApr 30 11:31
schestowitzof queen termitesApr 30 11:31
schestowitzbut money is a made-man abstractionApr 30 11:31
schestowitzfor 'indebtitude'Apr 30 11:31
schestowitzso profit without any humans would be like a bug devouring its hostApr 30 11:32
mp_en_viajei do not agree.Apr 30 11:32
schestowitz"look, I got a whole bunch of lumber here, but people are all starving"Apr 30 11:32
mp_en_viajemoney predates humans, and exists independently of any human agency, much like truth or beauty.Apr 30 11:32
mp_en_viajeor infinitesimal calculus.Apr 30 11:32
mp_en_viajepeople's notion of physics, much like people's notion of astronomy, or money, or whatever other imanent, is always wrong and could occasionally be improving. but the things that are are.Apr 30 11:33
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schestowitzwhere was money before humans?Apr 30 11:34
schestowitz(where by money I mean tokenised currency for bartering)Apr 30 11:34
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mp_en_viaje"there was physics before humans ? where by physics i mean foucault's pendulum ?"Apr 30 11:35
mp_en_viajeyou don't get to mean that. but yes, there's been money from the very beginning.Apr 30 11:35
mp_en_viajethe atp cycle's a fine example of money before humans. Apr 30 11:35
schestowitznot familiar with itApr 30 11:41
mp_en_viajeall life rests on the successive oxidation and then reduction of adenosine triphosphate. it's a complex organic molecule.Apr 30 11:43
mp_en_viajeplays a role in your feeling of "tiredness" after exertion. your muscles being sore's called "oxygen debt" because the similarity's striking to the biology-familiar.Apr 30 11:44
schestowitzI think it is still a stretch calling that "money"Apr 30 11:46
mp_en_viajeand why ?Apr 30 11:47
schestowitzmoney as we know about it now is a deposit of labourApr 30 11:47
schestowitzwherein you manage how much one is owed, entitled to etc.Apr 30 11:47
mp_en_viajewe do not agree on this test ; nevertheless the atp molecule passes it ; and passes it better than any fiat currency.Apr 30 11:47
mp_en_viajepasses it as well as the old specie currency did.Apr 30 11:47
schestowitzthe body works at a localised scale. I sometimes use the term "sleep debt"...Apr 30 11:48
schestowitzLike, if I oversleep one night and deprive myself the nextApr 30 11:48
mp_en_viajethis concept of "localised scale" will have to be introduced, it doesn't seem to mean anything.Apr 30 11:48
mp_en_viajeall interaction is "localised scale", physics does not permit udp style one-to-all packeting.Apr 30 11:48
schestowitzudp gets copiedApr 30 11:48
schestowitzthen splitApr 30 11:49
mp_en_viajeright.Apr 30 11:49
mp_en_viajespecifically because no such thing as that concept can exist in the world.Apr 30 11:49
schestowitzthe replication means many come into existence in the processApr 30 11:49
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schestowitzunmanbearpig familiar freenode username, for ages agoApr 30 11:58
schestowitz*from ages agoApr 30 11:58
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mp_en_viajeseinfeld fan, i guessApr 30 11:59
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XRevan86If ATP is like currency, I can get richer by having more of itApr 30 12:03
mp_en_viajewith all the problems being richer brings, such as becoming heavy.Apr 30 12:04
mp_en_viajebut, yes.Apr 30 12:04
XRevan86And then I can exchange my ATP for other goods.Apr 30 12:04
mp_en_viajequite. for instance, if you get big tits, and heavy hips, you get a better pick of the available dick.Apr 30 12:04
mp_en_viajein any case you can exchange it for safety ; as it powers running away.Apr 30 12:05
XRevan86That still sounds more like a powerful tool than currency.Apr 30 12:06
mp_en_viajebut just like in the case of other attempts to concretely implement money, the exchange's more important than the storage. which is why most live  things recicle ~their body weight worth of atp each day. Apr 30 12:06
schestowitz[12:04] <mp_en_viaje> quite. for instance, if you get big tits, and heavy hips, you get a better pick of the available dick.Apr 30 12:06
mp_en_viajeall practical implementations of money are powerful tools.Apr 30 12:06
schestowitzit shortens your lifeApr 30 12:06
schestowitzso there's a multi-faceted aspect at playApr 30 12:07
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, "life" is ambiguous here. it shortens your life in the sense of time, but it intensifies it in sense of quality. would you rather live a century as a 100 year-old, or twenty years as a 20 yo ?Apr 30 12:07
XRevan86schestowitz: A perfect analogy for goons killing for one's currency, he-he.Apr 30 12:07
schestowitzmp_en_viaje: that's a whoole 'nother philosophical debate, such as goal or essence of life, or living.Apr 30 12:08
mp_en_viajesure. Apr 30 12:08
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Anyone would rather live a balanced most effective life rather than either.Apr 30 12:08
schestowitzI'm tight on money because we choose not to have kids, nobody to pass money toApr 30 12:08
XRevan86A false dilemma.Apr 30 12:09
mp_en_viajemoney has more functions than that schestowitz ; having a little money is mostly about consumption ; but having a lot of money is mostly about directing the activity of the other humans.Apr 30 12:09
XRevan86So, governing power.Apr 30 12:10
mp_en_viajei don't intend to have kids either ; but even if i impregnated my entire harem so each girl's pregnant each year from now on, i'd make ~no difference towards my billions.Apr 30 12:10
mp_en_viajenor would i leave the kids any of it. let them fucking earn their own, what.Apr 30 12:10
schestowitzhow old are you btw?Apr 30 12:11
schestowitz(to mp_en_viaje)Apr 30 12:11
mp_en_viajebout 40.Apr 30 12:11
schestowitz37 myselfApr 30 12:11
mp_en_viajecheers.Apr 30 12:11
schestowitzanyway, that's like halfwayApr 30 12:11
mp_en_viajehalfway what ?Apr 30 12:12
schestowitzwith the world getting harsher economicallyApr 30 12:12
schestowitzexpected lifespan for people in EuropeApr 30 12:12
mp_en_viajei mostly live in costa rica ; but that aside, i spent most of my youth doubting i'll make it to 25Apr 30 12:12
schestowitzI often laugh at politiciansApr 30 12:12
mp_en_viajeso imo it's more like time-and-a-half.Apr 30 12:12
schestowitzwho draw up policy for everyone when they have less than 10 years left to liveApr 30 12:13
mp_en_viajei often laught at females who think they're "public persons" but never stood nude before a camera.Apr 30 12:13
mp_en_viajethere's a lot of this "i'm so insecure i gotta pester people".Apr 30 12:14
XRevan86Russian politicians figured the best pension time is a few years after the average expected life expectancy.Apr 30 12:14
schestowitz:-)Apr 30 12:16
schestowitzdon't worry, the church says God will reard your in  HeavenApr 30 12:16
schestowitz*rewardApr 30 12:16
schestowitz*youApr 30 12:16
schestowitzif you die before your pension, it's actually a blessing. Fast lane to heaven, no waiting in lineApr 30 12:17
mp_en_viajeheh.Apr 30 12:20
mp_en_viajeoh, anyone here know christos ballas ? kept a site, "thelastphyschiatrist"Apr 30 12:24
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mp_en_viajeanyway, i'll be taking off now ; before i go : schestowitz i suppose all the systems development around ada going on in tmsr will probably interest you, judging by your professional field.Apr 30 12:27
schestowitzwhich is it?Apr 30 12:27
schestowitzI work in medical imaging etc.Apr 30 12:27
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: As I understood it, you're critical of the idea of a socialist state. Why?Apr 30 12:28
schestowitz(not full time because of techrights etc.)Apr 30 12:28
mp_en_viajeXRevan86, because any group ever confronts a simple dilemma : either hang the common man to support the exceptional man, or else hang the exceptional man to support the common man. as i don't believe the common man has any rights, i don't abide the contrary ideology.Apr 30 12:29
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, "computing stack that works reliably and predictably", let's say.Apr 30 12:29
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: And I always felt that my having no rights as a common man is a bug than a feature.Apr 30 12:29
mp_en_viajeno, it's a feature.Apr 30 12:30
*XRevan86 will vote for Putin from now on.Apr 30 12:30
mp_en_viajefor that matter, common man even having a voice is a rather exceptional historic accident. Apr 30 12:30
schestowitz[12:29] <mp_en_viaje> schestowitz, "computing stack that works reliably and predictably", let's say.Apr 30 12:31
schestowitzwe lost that mostlyApr 30 12:31
mp_en_viajewell, part of what the republic's doing is reconstructing it.Apr 30 12:31
schestowitzeven Linux is compromised nowApr 30 12:31
mp_en_viajehence cuntoo etc.Apr 30 12:31
mp_en_viajeno, i know.Apr 30 12:31
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: But seriously, common man is many and they want to be included.Apr 30 12:32
mp_en_viajenot that it matters.Apr 30 12:32
mp_en_viajeas the old adage goes, "want in one hand and piss in the other, see which fills first"Apr 30 12:32
schestowitz 30 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Greg K-H (Microsoft/Novell, then #zemlinpac ): OK, #drm , come to #linux 30 12:32
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mp_en_viajethis "many" thing briefly carried some water because industrial revolution briefly made all hands useful, so we ended up with concepts such as "employment" etcetera.Apr 30 12:33
mp_en_viajethis is nonsense, and its existence as brief as any other algae bloom.Apr 30 12:33
mp_en_viajemost hands are not at all useful, which is why feudalism is the stable mode of social organisation.Apr 30 12:34
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mp_en_viajeschestowitz, linux lost all appeal within the republican forum with that idiotic "rule of conduct" or w/e bs. we don't tolerate femstate bullshit.Apr 30 12:35
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: The world won't be able to progress on a select few alone.Apr 30 12:36
schestowitzwho is we and this republican forum?Apr 30 12:36
schestowitzbtw, the coc isn't about femalesApr 30 12:37
mp_en_viajeXRevan86, history is the story of the life of great men, and naught else. as per carlyle etc.Apr 30 12:37
schestowitzcorporate controlled disguised using minoritiesApr 30 12:37
schestowitzin soft dev females are a minorityApr 30 12:37
mp_en_viajethere's been 0 progress since the prussians came up with "pensions" and the rest of the inept bs trying to whip the plebs into a state-army.Apr 30 12:37
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: If history is selective, doesn't mean that nothing else happened at all.Apr 30 12:37
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, i'm aware.Apr 30 12:37
mp_en_viaje"we" is the most serene republic, 30 12:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CIA Factbook : The Most Serene Republic on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.Apr 30 12:38
mp_en_viajethe forum's mostly over at #trilema.Apr 30 12:38
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schestowitzok...Apr 30 12:38
schestowitzwell, looks anything but serene if there's sextortioApr 30 12:38
schestowitz*nApr 30 12:39
mp_en_viajewth is a sextortion ?Apr 30 12:39
mp_en_viaje"serene" is simply the attribute of sovereignity, that's what you call a sovereign.Apr 30 12:39
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Sounds ancap'ishApr 30 12:40
mp_en_viajeXRevan86, "the most serene republic of bitcoin".Apr 30 12:40
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: So, an anarcho-capitalist community around cryptocurrency?Apr 30 12:40
mp_en_viajewell,no. the world's only sovereign.Apr 30 12:40
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XRevan86mp_en_viaje: That's cryptic.Apr 30 12:41
mp_en_viajewhy ? Apr 30 12:42
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Clearly you're working with your own definition of "sovereign".Apr 30 12:42
mp_en_viajeit's simply the only entity that needs no one's permission, but whose permission any other entity needs.Apr 30 12:42
mp_en_viajewhat's yours ?Apr 30 12:42
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: I don't need its permission though.Apr 30 12:43
mp_en_viaje"owner of all things", whatever you work with, they all reduce to the same.Apr 30 12:43
XRevan86and I'm in the worldApr 30 12:43
mp_en_viajeof course you do.Apr 30 12:43
mp_en_viajelooky, pretense to the contrary doesn't enact reality. Apr 30 12:43
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Well, it is you who pretend to have power over everyone though %).Apr 30 12:43
mp_en_viajethis'd be obviously enough a matter of ideological investment.Apr 30 12:44
mp_en_viajein the end, this is exactly what nationality is : the citizenry sees the truth in the rights of the state ; the barbarians outside the borders pretend otherwise.Apr 30 12:44
schestowitzgoing against the world is too hardApr 30 12:44
XRevan86But it is nice to finally meet one of the reptiloids of ZOG :D.Apr 30 12:44
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, so far it's mostly been too much fun.Apr 30 12:45
schestowitzyou are better off changing it, little by little, for the betterApr 30 12:45
mp_en_viajethis is the common wisdom, but so far not my experience.Apr 30 12:45
schestowitzit's harderApr 30 12:45
schestowitzbut there's more of "us" than "them"Apr 30 12:45
schestowitzyou can discredit their social constructsApr 30 12:46
mp_en_viajei suspect this is true.Apr 30 12:46
mp_en_viajeah, that part's been working wonderfully.Apr 30 12:46
schestowitzwhich weakens their grip over everyone, as should be the case...Apr 30 12:46
mp_en_viajeaaanyways, we'll have to table this discussion for a later date, ima go hang out with the girls.Apr 30 12:46
mp_en_viajecheers.Apr 30 12:46
schestowitzta raApr 30 12:46
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: have funApr 30 12:46
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schestowitzXRevan86: so much posingApr 30 13:05
schestowitznot dumb, but a posing extraordinaireApr 30 13:05
XRevan86schestowitz: a mcafeeApr 30 13:06
schestowitzcosta ricaApr 30 13:06
XRevan86schestowitz: Also provocative.Apr 30 13:07
schestowitzattention cravesApr 30 13:07
XRevan86Pity he ignored my Putin bait. Would be an interesting read on why a Russian common person having no rights is not a bad thing (:Apr 30 13:12
schestowitzreminds me of some people I wish not to associate with, they also waste timeApr 30 13:13
schestowitzbut he seemed to have come here for some reason to type endlesslyApr 30 13:13
XRevan86schestowitz: I don't think he's just passing by.Apr 30 13:15
schestowitzlooks like a troublemakerApr 30 13:15
XRevan86¯\_(ツ)_/¯Apr 30 13:16
schestowitzopenbsd took money from a possible crackerApr 30 13:16
XRevan86schestowitz: He avoided offending either of us directly.Apr 30 13:16
XRevan86schestowitz: IIRC, it was anonymous (and unconditional) back then.Apr 30 13:18
XRevan86OpenBSD was in a critical state, so I can hardly blame them.Apr 30 13:18
schestowitzde raadtApr 30 13:19
XRevan86schestowitz: Is he Pineapple Fund?Apr 30 13:25
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: MakuluLinux Core OS Is Dressed to Impress []Apr 30 13:25
schestowitzcould be Apr 30 13:26
schestowitzpipeapple is still anon afaikApr 30 13:26
schestowitzgave a lot to FSFApr 30 13:27
schestowitzif techrights was ever to be granted such a thing, we'd be able to do the site full time (I work fulltime to cover bills)Apr 30 13:27
XRevan86> << can start say there.Apr 30 13:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on' • The RegisterApr 30 13:28
XRevan86No mention of Pineapple, so I guess not…Apr 30 13:28
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XRevan86and Pineapple Fund donated $50 000 to OpenBSD.Apr 30 13:31
XRevan86hence I've confused the twoApr 30 13:32
XRevan86 30 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'OpenBSD Foundation Fundraising for 2014' - MARCApr 30 13:33
XRevan86But yes, they asked for $20 000 to cover the bills: 30 13:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'Re: Request for Funding our Electricity' - MARCApr 30 13:35
XRevan86and that's when mp_en_viaje marched inApr 30 13:36
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XRevan86> if techrights was ever to be granted such a thing, we'd be able to do the site full timeApr 30 13:59
XRevan86schestowitz: Probably not mp_en_viaje.Apr 30 13:59
XRevan86wouldn't look goodApr 30 13:59
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schestowitzRe: uk has gone full on stupid> up to 15 years for viewing propaganda online.Apr 30 14:15
schestowitz> Apr 30 14:15
schestowitz> ready to impeach may yet?Apr 30 14:15
schestowitz> Apr 30 14:15
schestowitz> youre living in russia now. im sorry, i used to live there as well. itsApr 30 14:15
schestowitz> covered on el reg.Apr 30 14:15
schestowitzsocial disorder if not breakdown will lead to more such measures, in due course.Apr 30 14:15
schestowitzXRevan86: I meant pineappleApr 30 14:16
schestowitzthe FSF funderApr 30 14:16
XRevan86What's el reg.?Apr 30 14:16
schestowitzThe RegisterApr 30 14:16
schestowitzit's its nickname for agesApr 30 14:16
MinceRhave trolls started using url shorteners to trick uk residents into viewing terrorist propaganda and then reporting them to the authorities yet?Apr 30 14:17
XRevan86schestowitz: Ah, comprendeApr 30 14:17
schestowitz> hmm, i guess it went that stupid in mid february.Apr 30 14:17
schestowitz> Apr 30 14:17
schestowitz> have the arrests started? can you imagine being julian assange underApr 30 14:17
schestowitz> such a law?Apr 30 14:17
schestowitz> Apr 30 14:17
schestowitz> ill never do business with britain again. of course, that doesnt includeApr 30 14:17
schestowitz> organisations that arent working for profit, or the rare real newsApr 30 14:18
schestowitz> websites like techrights.Apr 30 14:18
schestowitztechrights is hosted from the US. tuxmachines likewise. In terms of free speech the EU/UK isn't strong at the moment. Iceland and Switzerland a little better.Apr 30 14:18
XRevan86> youre living in russia nowApr 30 14:18
XRevan86Whom is that about?Apr 30 14:19
oiaohmReally it was always only time until governments started catching up with the internet.Apr 30 14:19
XRevan86Snowden?Apr 30 14:19
oiaohmReally Snowden information he leaked USA legal have never allows first amendment on that stuff Apr 30 14:20
oiaohmSome ways Russia and USA free speech restrictions have never been that different.Apr 30 14:20
schestowitzXRevan86: no, it's a quoteApr 30 14:20
schestowitzoiaohm: us still quite liberal in the free speech senseApr 30 14:23
schestowitzyou can literally see even nazis protected by policeApr 30 14:23
schestowitzand site takedowns are mostly limited to copyrightApr 30 14:23
schestowitzEU has gotten not much/any betterApr 30 14:23
schestowitzUK even worse than the rest of the EUApr 30 14:24
XRevan86oiaohm: In Russia persons can be arrested on peaceful sanctioned protests.Apr 30 14:24
schestowitzor for calling putin "fuckwit" on the WebApr 30 14:24
schestowitz(fined at least)Apr 30 14:24
XRevan86oiaohm: Police are often initiators of violenceApr 30 14:24
XRevan86The US doesn't even come close to our shitshow.Apr 30 14:25
MinceRpromoting BDS is illegal in the US, thoughApr 30 14:26
schestowitznot yetApr 30 14:26
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schestowitzspammers back?Apr 30 14:28
MinceRand in the CoE, the ECHR rules religious people getting offended as being more important than human rights, including freedom of speechApr 30 14:28
XRevan86Pickets don't need to be santioned in Russia, yet picketeers are constantly being detained if there's anything remotely oppositional in them.Apr 30 14:28
MinceRthere were some new spambots on OFTCApr 30 14:28
MinceRthey registered their nicks, joined, sent a bunch of lines and stayed in the channelApr 30 14:28
schestowitzso what is Mo fucked kids? I guess his followers care more about their religion than those kids.Apr 30 14:28
oiaohmXRevan86: USA law sucks more than you think.   Russia you are detained.   USA if police officer can claim he thought you were a possible threat and shot you dead its legal.Apr 30 14:28
XRevan86 the very latestApr 30 14:28
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oiaohmXRevan86: so over all not that much difference on protest other than the russia one you are mostly alive and the USA one you are dead.Apr 30 14:29
XRevan86oiaohm: In Russia they'd just beat you up. And they don't have to explain it.Apr 30 14:29
schestowitzMinceR: maybe they work for discord and slackApr 30 14:29
schestowitzmission; sabotage ircApr 30 14:29
XRevan86even lethallyApr 30 14:29
oiaohmXRevan86: criminals do get beaten in the USA in legal ways.Apr 30 14:30
MinceRlooked more like some sort of attacks on characters of peopleApr 30 14:30
XRevan86There are people who got killed after being detained.Apr 30 14:30
XRevan86not even charged with anythingApr 30 14:31
MinceRi wonder if dicksword and slack could really be that stupid, aggravating people until some DDoS kids take their services down for daysApr 30 14:31
oiaohmXRevan86: same in the USA.Apr 30 14:31
oiaohm  Its like page 32 of this presentation about australian laws.   Low bandwidth using audio codec turns out by Australian law to be in the same class as a nuke weapon????Apr 30 14:33
oiaohmXRevan86: laws all over the place with by police can be used todo all kinds of horrible.Apr 30 14:33
oiaohmXRevan86:  Most of the USA deaths jails happen before the person is charged with anything.Apr 30 14:37
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oiaohmXRevan86: so the most dangerous time is when you are detained without charge.Apr 30 14:37
XRevan86oiaohm: That explains why Trump feels Russia and the US have so much in common (did he say that? I think he did)Apr 30 14:37
oiaohmHe did.Apr 30 14:38
oiaohmRemember Russia police don't have the legal right to shot you dead and claimed they believed you were a threat and it be a legal killing.Apr 30 14:39
oiaohmUSA police do have that legal right.Apr 30 14:39
oiaohmSo USA police legally are some of the most dangerous.Apr 30 14:39
XRevan86oiaohm: It's not like they need to have that formal right here in Russia.Apr 30 14:40
oiaohmKind of explains why USA police at times are willing to expend of rounds all over the place.Apr 30 14:40
XRevan86they manageApr 30 14:40
oiaohmThey just have to claim they though anyone the hit by mistake was considered a threat at the time.Apr 30 14:40
oiaohmRussian cases it is at least techically illegal.Apr 30 14:41
XRevan86oiaohm: Russian police doesn't like shooting peopleApr 30 14:41
XRevan86surrounding and beating with legs – now that's satisfyingApr 30 14:42
oiaohmUSA police also beat them up at times.Apr 30 14:42
oiaohmand some case kill them after so they cannot complain.Apr 30 14:42
oiaohmThat in the USA statistics.   USA police force by stats make Russia police look well behaved. Apr 30 14:43
MinceRi guess ammo is too expensive in russiaApr 30 14:44
schestowitzlolApr 30 14:45
schestowitz"save bullets, use expired nukes instead"Apr 30 14:45
MinceRplus the people are less armedApr 30 14:45
MinceRit's safer to kick people to death if they don't shootApr 30 14:46
oiaohmArmed is not exactly it.Apr 30 14:46
oiaohm  Australia has the dead before being charged to almost zero.Apr 30 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Latest deaths in custody data now available on Crime Statistics Austalia | Australian Institute of CriminologyApr 30 14:46
oiaohmMost of the deaths in Australian jails is natural mediacal deaths.Apr 30 14:46
MinceRand australia disarmed its citizens long agoApr 30 14:46
oiaohmCitizens armed with cameras instead with a legal system that worked against the police turns out to be highly effective at improving these numbers.Apr 30 14:48
MinceRuntil they ban the camerasApr 30 14:48
oiaohmSome of the reason why USA police can get away with killing so many people is the fact they can claim they suspected a firearm.Apr 30 14:49
oiaohmWhere in Australia with the low weapon rate they cannot straight up claim that.Apr 30 14:50
oiaohmRight to bare arms works in favor of police doing straight up fatal on bystanders.Apr 30 14:51
MinceRauthorities often get away with claiming incredible thingsApr 30 14:51
MinceRhow often do police in switzerland shoot people?Apr 30 14:51
oiaohmPlease note switzerland don't have open right to bare arms.   If you are armed you have to be open carry ie you have to be able to clearly see it in switzerland.Apr 30 14:53
oiaohmBasically the USA right to bare arms including more hidden forms give police more excuses to shot.Apr 30 14:54
MinceRso it's concealed carry you have an issue with, not right to bear armsApr 30 14:54
oiaohmBy the stats yes.   But lot of the USA use the right to bare arms to have forms of concealed carry.Apr 30 14:55
oiaohmRegistered security guard in uniform or police officer  are the only parties allowed legally to concealed carry in Australia.   Switzerland is the same in this reguard and both have very low police shotting non criminals.Apr 30 14:58
MinceRanother way to solve this problem would be to get rid of polcieApr 30 15:02
oiaohmAlso you have to remember Switzerland mandatory military service so before you get a firearm as citizen you have spent over 12 months under military supervision weeding out your personality if you should or should not have a gun. Apr 30 15:02
MinceRs/ci/ic/Apr 30 15:02
MinceRi wonder what sort of personality would that beApr 30 15:03
MinceRother than being careless and incompetent with a weaponApr 30 15:03
oiaohmAbout 15 percent of the Switzerland population fail in their year of military service and are legally never able to buy/hold a gun.Apr 30 15:03
oiaohmSome is incompetent some is aggression and other problematic personality traits.Apr 30 15:05
oiaohmYes Switzerland has higher gun ownership than the USA but they have a heavy screening process.Apr 30 15:06
MinceRand what is considered problematic? critical thinking?Apr 30 15:06
MinceRor having a different religion or no religion?Apr 30 15:06
oiaohmLack of critical thinking is one.  Ie you get mad you straight up attack something without thinking you could fail to be safe with a gun so you are not having one.Apr 30 15:07
oiaohmReligion is not a factor.Apr 30 15:07
oiaohmWhen you think about mil basic training they really do get to push all a person different buttons to see how they will respond.Apr 30 15:08
MinceRor they are placed under the power of some worthless authoritarian nutcaseApr 30 15:08
MinceRlike in hungaryApr 30 15:09
oiaohmFailing military service on mental grounds fairly much blocks you from running for office in Switzerland as well.Apr 30 15:10
oiaohmIts a really heavy screened population.Apr 30 15:10
MinceRinterestingApr 30 15:10
MinceRso the military decides who gets to run for officeApr 30 15:10
oiaohmNot who.Apr 30 15:10
oiaohmas such.Apr 30 15:10
MinceRright, they need to provide excusesApr 30 15:11
oiaohmRemember 85% pass.Apr 30 15:11
oiaohmMost of the population passes without issue.Apr 30 15:11
oiaohmLike being dumb enough to loss your cool and attempt punch out your commanding officer in basic training or other equally highly stupid things is going to get you in that 15%Apr 30 15:13
oiaohmHaving a medical condition that you cannot do basic training you could die in office as well from it.Apr 30 15:13
MinceRi never suspected Starship Troopers was about SwitzerlandApr 30 15:13
MinceR"Would you like to know more?"Apr 30 15:14
oiaohmNot exactly mil rank in Starship troopers decide how far you got up in the political thing.Apr 30 15:14
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oiaohmthere is no alignment between rank and political in Switzerland.    Its just passing basic training and the basic first year stuff.Apr 30 15:15
MinceRyeah, got to serve in the military so you become a citizen :>Apr 30 15:16
oiaohmReally passing basic training is not insanely hard if you are not a hot head or other equal mental issues.Apr 30 15:16
oiaohmNote the 15 percent still have all the other rights of a citizen like voting and the like.Apr 30 15:16
oiaohmStarship troopers is absolutely horrible were no basic rights without service in most cases.Apr 30 15:17
oiaohmReally the trouble making personality percentage is not that large.   The effective screening process for it takes at least 90 days.Apr 30 15:18
MinceRyeah, the ones who would change something are the "troublemakers"Apr 30 15:20
MinceRbetter keep them out of powerApr 30 15:20
MinceRhelps keep those pesky human rights outApr 30 15:20
oiaohmPlease note I said trouble making personality.   Switzerland in the 85% have the highly thinking trouble makers.      For mil combat you need those who can think out the box.Apr 30 15:21
MinceRyeah, people in positions of authority love people who can think out of the boxApr 30 15:21
oiaohmThen ones you don't want are the ones that painic.Apr 30 15:21
oiaohmor go nuts out of anger.Apr 30 15:22
oiaohmThe people the mil wants to function well are normally the worst ones for the political side to deal with.Apr 30 15:22 what they would like you to believe.Apr 30 15:22
oiaohmLot of historic major activist like Mahatma Gandhi were military trained.     Think about it organizing a force to fight with weapons is not much different to organizing a peaceful protest.Apr 30 15:25
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oiaohmMinceR: the thing you have not considered is the skills 12 months of military service have given the general population.  Yes it filters out percentage but in also does the reverse of making the ones that pass able to be more politically effective.Apr 30 15:27
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MinceRit's not the percentage that is the problemApr 30 15:29
MinceRthe problem is who gets to decide who is electableApr 30 15:29
oiaohmRemember people with criminal convictions cannot stand for office in the USA either.   The 12 months mil service is basically the same you have to do something wrong face a board of your peers and get convicted and kicked out.Apr 30 15:34
oiaohmBut remember basic training is designed to push a person buttons to make that happen if it going to happen.Apr 30 15:34
oiaohmYou can basically pack a lifetime of different triggers that could get someone todo something criminal into 90 days.Apr 30 15:35
oiaohmMinceR: so it in lot of ways basic training it yourself that decided if you are electable or not.Apr 30 15:36
oiaohmThe lack of sleep part of basic training also reduced you ablity to hide flaws.Apr 30 15:37
MinceRno, criminal conviction and doing badly in basic training are very different thingsApr 30 15:44
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oiaohmMinceR: the reality there is not much difference.   The same things that cause people to get criminal convictions cause them to completely fail basic training.Apr 30 16:01
MinceRwhich is what military leaders would very much like everyone to believeApr 30 16:02
MinceRand of course if there's a small difference, who caresApr 30 16:02
MinceRit's not like you wanted democracy or rule of law anywayApr 30 16:02
XRevan86 military basic trainingApr 30 16:02
MinceRwhat's going on in that photo?Apr 30 16:02
XRevan86MinceR: That's from an art-house film Green ElephantApr 30 16:03
XRevan86an attempt to clean a toilet with a forkApr 30 16:03
MinceRlolApr 30 16:03
oiaohmStupid as it sounds it is possible if you think about the problem the right way.Apr 30 16:04
MinceRrightApr 30 16:04
MinceRwho cares about doing things the right way, or putting the right people in chargeApr 30 16:04
XRevan86 in a video formatApr 30 16:04
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MinceRwhen you can do it all ass backwards and claim that there isn't much difference anywayApr 30 16:04
MinceROTOH i'm starting to see what sorts of sources the nazis found here when they found excuses for their new constitution and stuff like thatApr 30 16:08
MinceRthere's all sorts of fucked up laws and practices if you look hard enoughApr 30 16:08
MinceRjust not all of them in the same countryApr 30 16:08
XRevan86 lolApr 30 16:09
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XRevan86A fork in the logo, this got to be intentional.Apr 30 16:09
oiaohmIts a thing called improvisation.   That video I think the way they set that up you are kind of screwed.   Fork+the tollet paper and you are kind of in business to clean the tollet.Apr 30 16:09
oiaohmof course if you are not thinking of problem at hand you blow you top because it seams stupid.Apr 30 16:10
MinceR"trust me, there's a point to all this"Apr 30 16:11
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oiaohmLot of military training basic training seams like stupid things.   Lot of it is intentional.  To see if you will work as a team.   See if you will lose cool.   Really given a fork and told to clean tollet is just extream verson of being given a different tool to do job than you are expecting.Apr 30 16:15
oiaohmEither you will react with anger,  confusion or logic.Apr 30 16:16
oiaohmConfusion/logic is ok.   Anger not.Apr 30 16:16
MinceRlack of transparency is something that breaks a democracyApr 30 16:17
oiaohmMost military basic training is highly documented.   Methods used to weed out in places like  Switzerland are open to the public.Apr 30 16:19
oiaohmSo its not lack of transparency.Apr 30 16:19
XRevan86 another English word, daApr 30 16:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | suslik - WiktionaryApr 30 16:20
XRevan86 really?Apr 30 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | dvornik - WiktionaryApr 30 16:22
oiaohmXRevan86: ok you are now doing words I have never seen.Apr 30 16:23
oiaohmBy hey its the English mangled mess.Apr 30 16:23
XRevan86 now that's a useful one %)Apr 30 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | kholop - WiktionaryApr 30 16:25
XRevan86(11:30:52) mp_en_viaje: for that matter, common man even having a voice is a rather exceptional historic accident.Apr 30 16:26
XRevan86"common man" is rather clumsyApr 30 16:26
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XRevan86now "kholop" on the other hand…Apr 30 16:27
XRevan86 <- a state workerApr 30 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | chinovnik - WiktionaryApr 30 16:27
XRevan86oiaohm: After I saw news that "da" was added to the Oxford Dictonary…Apr 30 16:29
XRevan86rather zabavnoApr 30 16:29
XRevan86(amusing)Apr 30 16:29
XRevan86 30 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | disinformation - WiktionaryApr 30 16:32
XRevan86Now that's an unexpected one.Apr 30 16:33
oiaohmNot really.  When modern english started.  England and Russia was on good terms.Apr 30 16:34
oiaohmAnd its a diplomatic language from the start collecting words from all over the place.Apr 30 16:34
XRevan86 makes senseApr 30 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | thief in law - WiktionaryApr 30 16:35
XRevan86 relevant to basic military trainingApr 30 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | wolf's ticket - WiktionaryApr 30 16:37
oiaohmXRevan86:  the word bridge basically starts in russianApr 30 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | bridge - WiktionaryApr 30 16:38
scientesvorApr 30 16:38
*scientes read GulagApr 30 16:38
oiaohmXRevan86: there are some quite common english worlds that first form is russian as well.Apr 30 16:38
XRevan86oiaohm: Wiktionary doesn't agree.Apr 30 16:38
XRevan86but being cognate with бревно (br(y)evno, log) is plausableApr 30 16:39
XRevan86scientes: Archipelago?Apr 30 16:40
scientesyesApr 30 16:40
scientesArichipelag GulgaApr 30 16:40
oiaohmbridge was in middle english before modern english.   So words coming from russia across the EU and ending up in english had been happening for quite some time.Apr 30 16:40
XRevan86oiaohm: Your own link states it comes from Old English <- Proto-Germanic <- P-I-EApr 30 16:41
XRevan86oiaohm: The Slavic word for bridge is "most"Apr 30 16:42
XRevan86Which is cognate to 30 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | mast - WiktionaryApr 30 16:43
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XRevan86 borrowings from Old Russian (Old East Slavic)Apr 30 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Category:English terms derived from Old East Slavic - WiktionaryApr 30 16:48
XRevan86kremlin, hamsterApr 30 16:48
XRevan86+ quartz from West SlavicApr 30 16:54
XRevan86a whopping three wordsApr 30 16:54
XRevan86How "quartz" got here from ~"tverdy" is curious %)Apr 30 16:55
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mp_en_viajehi all!Apr 30 18:59
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: hiApr 30 19:00
mp_en_viajeXRevan86, are you russian btw ?Apr 30 19:00
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Indeed I am.Apr 30 19:02
mp_en_viajetell me a russian joke.Apr 30 19:02
cubexyzin soviet russia waldo finds you!Apr 30 19:05
mp_en_viajethat is not genuine russian joke!Apr 30 19:06
XRevan86An Englishman, an American and a Chukcha go through a test on survival: who will survive the most without food. Each has a room with a bed, a bedside table and a telephone…Apr 30 19:06
XRevan86An Englishman called after three days, an American after five days. A Chukcha stays silent for ten days, twelve. The committee decided to check on him, how the winner feels. So they enter and see: Chukcha sits on their knees before the telephone and begs: "Telephona, telephona, Chukcha wants to eat".Apr 30 19:08
mp_en_viajeahahaApr 30 19:09
mp_en_viajewant one in trade ?Apr 30 19:09
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Is it just as derogatory?Apr 30 19:09
mp_en_viajei expect.Apr 30 19:09
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: shootApr 30 19:09
mp_en_viajemuscovy geoglogist gets sent to chuckchistan to prospect for diamonds or w/e. the locals regard him with amused curiosity upon arrival. next morning, geologist goes prospecting, some chukcha fellows follow him at a distance.Apr 30 19:10
mp_en_viajea bear appears, the chukcha start running away; as they notice the dood's not following they also start yelling "now is run! now is run!"Apr 30 19:11
mp_en_viajegeologist calmly puts his gun to shoulder, takes aim, shoots bear dead.Apr 30 19:11
mp_en_viajethe tribe gathers around him slowly, in indignant disbeliefApr 30 19:12
mp_en_viaje"muscovy very very bad hunterApr 30 19:12
mp_en_viajewho now drags bear twenty miles uphill to camp ?"Apr 30 19:12
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Good one :)Apr 30 19:12
mp_en_viajeyay. ty. Apr 30 19:12
*asciilifeform found this place via . wonders if the item was ever discussed there.Apr 30 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Loper OS » The Google H1 Fritz Chip.Apr 30 19:30
mp_en_viajeo look at that, like a foss qntra.Apr 30 19:34
schestowitzasciilifeform: never heard of itApr 30 19:34
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, what'd it take to get you and the mrs to keep a permanent rubric on qntra rather than continue tuxmachines thing solo ?Apr 30 19:34
schestowitzcan you rephrase that pls?Apr 30 19:35
asciilifeformschestowitz: ~0 massmedia coverage re : 'h1', despite being no sort of secret ( ~100% of currently retailed google iron includes it, and i posted full schematics for talking to it )Apr 30 19:35
XRevan86rubric = columnApr 30 19:35
mp_en_viajewell, yes, like a permanent section. larger than a column.Apr 30 19:35
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, tuxmachines is an online publication, yes ?Apr 30 19:35
schestowitzit would be nice to grow itApr 30 19:36
schestowitzfor 15 years nowApr 30 19:36
mp_en_viajeso forget growing it. to quote marsellus, "if you were gonna make it, you'd have made it by now."Apr 30 19:36
XRevan86> and the mrsApr 30 19:36
XRevan86what does that mean?Apr 30 19:36
schestowitzRianneApr 30 19:36
mp_en_viajeall the contribs i see are roy and rianne.Apr 30 19:36
schestowitzthe site does grow steadilyApr 30 19:37
XRevan86Ah, I see.Apr 30 19:37
mp_en_viajeand ~i suspect~ that your misperceptions of editorial guideline are keeping you fettered, and away from realising your full potential.Apr 30 19:37
mp_en_viajewhereas qntra is a much better platform in this sense.Apr 30 19:37
schestowitzwhat is that?Apr 30 19:37
XRevan86schestowitz: This reminds me, when Let's Encrypt? :)Apr 30 19:37
schestowitzI experimented with it 2 years agoApr 30 19:38
mp_en_viajeschestowitz, << the herald of tmsr. \Apr 30 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | US Court Rules In Favor Of Police Finger Forcing | QntraApr 30 19:38
mp_en_viajecurrently mostly doing politics/economcs/law&lawenforcement lulz and so on.Apr 30 19:38
XRevan86schestowitz: certbot is in EPELApr 30 19:39
schestowitzI used thatApr 30 19:39
asciilifeformsince someone mentioned sslism..Apr 30 19:40
*asciilifeform runs , another tmsr product .Apr 30 19:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Welcome | PhuctorApr 30 19:40
schestowitzvery few people log into the site with a passwordApr 30 19:42
schestowitzbut ssl would hide what nodes people look atApr 30 19:42
XRevan86schestowitz: It goes something like this: certonly --webroot -d -d <> -w /var/www/tuxmachinesApr 30 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tux Machines | Do you waddle the waddle?Apr 30 19:42
XRevan86schestowitz: I've checked the RPM package from EPEL 7 and it already has a systemd timer for periodic renewalApr 30 19:43
mp_en_viajelol.Apr 30 19:44
XRevan86schestowitz: If it needs to be explicitly enabled, then systemctl enable certbot-renew.timerApr 30 19:44
XRevan86schestowitz: I've remembered about that, because (even optional) https:// will improve discoverability.Apr 30 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: will; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https:// will )Apr 30 19:45
schestowitzwe used older centosApr 30 19:46
schestowitzwill upgrade when it's out of lifeApr 30 19:47
XRevan86schestowitz: CentOS 6?Apr 30 19:47
schestowitz6.x yesApr 30 19:47
mp_en_viajewhy would you run systemd infected crap anyway.Apr 30 19:48
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Well, that's probably the reason why he in fact\doesn't.Apr 30 19:49
mp_en_viajemight as well go full windows, what's the point of poettering's derpy miniwindows.Apr 30 19:50
XRevan86schestowitz: But is on CentOS 7, right?Apr 30 19:50
schestowitzyesApr 30 19:50
XRevan86schestowitz: Then you can do the abovementioned there :)Apr 30 19:51
schestowitzremind me when it's a weekend or somehingApr 30 19:52
XRevan86schestowitz: okApr 30 19:52
schestowitzI don't want to risk breaking somethingApr 30 19:52
schestowitzwe want to move off from IBM (RHT) soonApr 30 19:52
schestowitzkaniini has had ideasApr 30 19:52
XRevan86schestowitz: Devuan or Alpine?Apr 30 19:53
mp_en_viajei'm not gonna get an answer to that "what would it take..." am i.Apr 30 19:53
schestowitzthe goal is the site is to grow gnu/linux and free softwareApr 30 19:54
schestowitzso anything that persists in that direction would be helpfulApr 30 19:55
schestowitzthe site helps by dissemination and organisation informationApr 30 19:55
mp_en_viajelinux is dead, as such. your choice is practically speaking beating the dead camel of your youth, or joining up with people trying to keep intellectual life possible.Apr 30 19:55
schestowitzXRevan86: not sureApr 30 19:55
schestowitzkaniini resigned from alpine about a month or two agoApr 30 19:55
XRevan86> Welcome to Qntra! Founded in October 2014, our goal is to publish news, views and commentary related to Bitcoin.Apr 30 19:56
asciilifeformschestowitz: how do you picture the result of 'grow' and 'dissemination' ? what do you get from 'growing' the # of idlers reading 'about linux' with bag of potato chips in 1 hand ?Apr 30 19:56
mp_en_viajeXRevan86, everything's related to bitcoin.Apr 30 19:56
schestowitzLinux is dead perhaps as a truly free kernelApr 30 19:56
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schestowitzmany of the pertinent projects are still valuable and usableApr 30 19:56
mp_en_viajeno, it is dead as a going concern. Apr 30 19:56
mp_en_viajeit's fodder for hot topic now.Apr 30 19:57
schestowitza larger userbase of gnu/linux gives us hope of combating some digital injusticesApr 30 19:57
schestowitzbut it doesn't suffice, as Android showsApr 30 19:57
mp_en_viajebut in cultural terms, it's dead as dead can be.Apr 30 19:57
schestowitzsurveillance capitalism with Linux at the core and it's far from aloneApr 30 19:57
mp_en_viajelinus sold out to the retard farm, and there's entirely nothing else there. Apr 30 19:57
schestowitzI'm not as much of a "Linux" person as I am GNUApr 30 19:58
schestowitzI'm friends with RMSApr 30 19:58
schestowitzand LF does not like me anymore because I speak out against their actionsApr 30 19:58
mp_en_viajerms sold out to the same retard farm ; only earlier and for less money.Apr 30 19:58
*XRevan86 wonders how RMS "is related to bitcoin" %)Apr 30 19:58
mp_en_viajeXRevan86, you'd be surprised, but actually, he is.Apr 30 19:59
schestowitzhe said good thingsApr 30 19:59
schestowitzexcept on anonymityApr 30 19:59
mp_en_viajeschmuck showed up to prop up some early scammer for a little money.Apr 30 19:59
mp_en_viajehe's, you know, like those doods in colloidal silver ads on usg's "opposition" tv shows.Apr 30 19:59
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Now I have to have context for that.Apr 30 19:59
mp_en_viajeaite, let me fish it out foer you.Apr 30 19:59
XRevan86Doesn't sound like RMS to me at all.Apr 30 20:00
mp_en_viajehttp:// ; the dood in question's over at Apr 30 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- | tmsr - Log 2012-09-16Apr 30 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The stockexchange shareholders on welfare on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.Apr 30 20:01
mp_en_viajeand sure, i know it doesn't sound like rms to you. but the problem with you is that you just follow "the news", which are curated. i bet you don't know he lied about his "free laptop", for instance. cuz his owners didn't feel all that inclind to publicize that.Apr 30 20:02
mp_en_viajenor do you necessarily understand the strategic "miscalculations" he added to foss, so as to ensure its ultimate failure.Apr 30 20:02
mp_en_viajebut let me ask you this, one in a hundred questions : WHY did opengl give back to directx the leadership it wrested away from it ? Apr 30 20:02
mp_en_viajehundreds of people donated years of their work to strangle microsoft visually ; and, but for fossineptitude, would have managed, too. then... the dead man raises up and turns the tables. really ?Apr 30 20:03
schestowitzYou don't seem to like anybodyApr 30 20:04
mp_en_viajei like very few people. but i daresay it's not arbitrary.Apr 30 20:04
mp_en_viajegive me the why. why is opengl not the dominant player it should have been ?Apr 30 20:05
mp_en_viajeit literally would have been, had everything it needed to be. directx was fucking dead. at some point we saw this, unthinkable a decade before, made fact. what happened ?Apr 30 20:05
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Except on Android it is.Apr 30 20:05
mp_en_viajerms fucking happened.Apr 30 20:05
mp_en_viajeXRevan86, right.Apr 30 20:05
XRevan86and now there's Vulkan.Apr 30 20:06
mp_en_viajeentirely besides the point. we're discussing rms, and orcish leadership.Apr 30 20:06
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: elaborateApr 30 20:08
mp_en_viajeyou understand what this is, orcish leadership ? the thing in ; plausibly-deniable high treason.Apr 30 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jaful si economia on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.Apr 30 20:08
mp_en_viajeit's what "presidents" in banana republics do. "sorta-kinda" credible leadership, with "mistakes" and "happenstance" alligned a certain way, to serve the hegemon's interests.Apr 30 20:08
mp_en_viajethat's the "buy up the local chiefs" part.Apr 30 20:09
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Elaborate on what you think exactly RMS had done to put OpenGL down.Apr 30 20:10
mp_en_viajethe question's misstated.Apr 30 20:10
mp_en_viajeif you're the crowned king and your army loses, it's not a matter of "what did you do to make it lose". either it wins, or it's your head.Apr 30 20:11
mp_en_viajeopengl did not win, THEREFORE rms is to hang.Apr 30 20:11
mp_en_viajenot that opengl is the only example, there's easily a dozen more. all the way down to fucking tcl.Apr 30 20:11
mp_en_viajetcc*Apr 30 20:11
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: You know RMS has no real power but influence and fame, right?Apr 30 20:12
mp_en_viajebut this is the universal rule -- either you lead your group to victory, or you go away.Apr 30 20:12
mp_en_viajeXRevan86, what a cop-out. wtf is "real power" besides "influence and fame", holy hell.Apr 30 20:12
mp_en_viajethat's all it is.Apr 30 20:12
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Having a say on the OpenGL board, for instance.Apr 30 20:12
mp_en_viajeinfluence an' fame will give you a say anywhere.Apr 30 20:12
mp_en_viajejust have something intelligent to say.Apr 30 20:13
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Or maybe he should've assembled an army and went to Microsoft HQApr 30 20:13
XRevan86* gone toApr 30 20:13
mp_en_viajecould have just beheaded anyone in said board who wasn't doing his job, why not.Apr 30 20:13
schestowitzRMS is judges by track recordApr 30 20:14
mp_en_viajebut no, look at what he did. got github its feet, pick a single fucking strategic move of his that serves you rather than the empire.Apr 30 20:14
schestowitztechnical and predictive accuracyApr 30 20:14
mp_en_viajegive me the example of correct strategic move.Apr 30 20:14
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: So RMS should be regarded as a literal ruler with cartoon villain standards of governing.Apr 30 20:14
mp_en_viajeyou can regard it as whatever you want ; but by my lights he's evidently the shah of iran, or that ukrainian muppet, or whatever, guaio dork. whatever, "western sponsored orc ruler".Apr 30 20:15
XRevan86that ukrainian muppet only today came to officeApr 30 20:16
*mp_en_viaje shrugs.Apr 30 20:16
mp_en_viajehe's ukrainian like you're martian.Apr 30 20:16
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: Because he's a Russophone?Apr 30 20:17
mp_en_viajei'm a fucking russophone, what the hell argument's that.Apr 30 20:17
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: I don't know, feels like a "true Scotsman"Apr 30 20:17
mp_en_viajeXRevan86, wait, you talking about poroshenko or the replacement ?Apr 30 20:19
mp_en_viajei was talking about the dood inaugurated by bidden.Apr 30 20:19
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: About ZelenskyApr 30 20:19
XRevan86Granted Poroshenko is also a RussophoneApr 30 20:19
XRevan86but he didn't "only today came to office"Apr 30 20:19
mp_en_viajeah. no, im behind sorry. i only read newspapers after 6-12 months.Apr 30 20:19
XRevan86Zelensky is a comedian, so he's a muppet in a… more literal senseApr 30 20:20
mp_en_viajethere's more honesty in that ltieral sense, too.Apr 30 20:20
mp_en_viajeanyway, we shall have to continue this later.Apr 30 20:21
XRevan86mp_en_viaje: The situation in Ukraine is a complex one. I don't see Poroshenko as a muppet.Apr 30 20:22
asciilifeformXRevan86: how might one distinguish his behaviour from typical muppet of washington ?Apr 30 20:23
asciilifeformif you say 'x != y', have to show somewhere in which x actually differs from y, 'this is not proton, this is neutron, has 0 charge' or the likeApr 30 20:24
XRevan86asciilifeform: For one thing, puppets don't like their political agenda to end.Apr 30 20:25
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asciilifeformthey do get swapped out for new muppet regularly.Apr 30 20:25
asciilifeformwhen they wear out.Apr 30 20:25
XRevan86asciilifeform: Another thing is that neither one of them has anything to gain from the US.Apr 30 20:26
asciilifeformthis creates illusion of 'agenda ended'. they have them in usa also, same algorithm.Apr 30 20:26
XRevan86Zelensky is "suspected" to collude with an oligarch KolomoyskyApr 30 20:27
XRevan86his interests are in UkraineApr 30 20:27
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asciilifeforminterest of oligarch are where the money is parked, rather than the geography that he extracted it fromApr 30 20:28
XRevan86asciilifeform: The closest money bin to Ukraine is Russia.Apr 30 20:29
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XRevan86There are shady things going on with oil transit in Ukraine.Apr 30 20:30
asciilifeformXRevan86: so idea is, he keeps his in moscow and not zurich ?Apr 30 20:30
*asciilifeform cannot prove that this is not true, but it is on approx. same believability level as 'here is a dog with six legs'Apr 30 20:31
XRevan86asciilifeform: The idea is the US being good for Ukrainian business is limited.Apr 30 20:31
asciilifeformit's a banana republic (and without bananas) , what business.Apr 30 20:33
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XRevan86asciilifeform: It's a relatively large country with Soviet industrial legacy.Apr 30 20:34
XRevan86It's just as much a banana republic as the Russian Federation.Apr 30 20:34
asciilifeformas i understand most of it already cut into metal and sold to foreignersApr 30 20:35
asciilifeformexactly like '90s ruApr 30 20:35
asciilifeform( ru only still 'in business' because had more to cut and sell to start with )Apr 30 20:35
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XRevan86asciilifeform: Russia is still being cut and sold.Apr 30 20:37
*asciilifeform knows thisApr 30 20:37
asciilifeformthat's what is banana republic. when the people who live there are , in economic terms, 'extra'Apr 30 20:37
asciilifeformresource extractor does not need them for anythingApr 30 20:38
XRevan86Russian state-affiliated oligarchs like to re-invest elsewhere.Apr 30 20:39
XRevan86asciilifeform: Sounds like Russia is more of a banana republic than Ukraine.Apr 30 20:39
asciilifeformof course. has more 'bananas'.Apr 30 20:40
XRevan86that we can agree onApr 30 20:40
asciilifeformnot all petro pumped out yet, not all soviet-era specialists moved to washington yet, etcApr 30 20:40
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asciilifeforminterest of washington in ukr is not to pump anything out as such, but to keep open wound ( and in the end get new place to put rockets, as in e.g. romania. )Apr 30 20:43
XRevan86That's kind of system that was designed around cronyism and kompromat.Apr 30 20:43
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asciilifeformre: earlier rms -- i am curious over what 'he has influence.' first he lost hurd, and let usurper linus into driver's seat , who then compromised with enemy ( permitted closed drivers for iron, and today even more interesting things ) . then rms lost control of even his original softwares - gcc, emacs, went to enemy.Apr 30 20:52
asciilifeformexactly analogous to shah of iran. sits on throne, while country walked away.Apr 30 20:53
XRevan86asciilifeform: He *has* control over GNU.Apr 30 20:53
asciilifeformXRevan86: when was last time he sued in court a gpl violator and won ?Apr 30 20:54
XRevan86asciilifeform: And I meant it in a way of him being heard.Apr 30 20:54
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asciilifeformor , for instance, where today can buy computer on which can run 100% gpl stack ? he let this, also, walk away.Apr 30 20:56
XRevan86asciilifeform: What did you expect him to do?Apr 30 20:56
XRevan86buy a computer manufacturer?Apr 30 20:56
asciilifeformorganize hardware manufacture, yesApr 30 20:57
XRevan86asciilifeform: Not an easy feat. He's not the only one with this goal, yet somehow…Apr 30 20:58
asciilifeformmp_en_viaje and asciilifeform , did it. started with small device, ; in not too long will make own siliconApr 30 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | No Such lAbsApr 30 20:59
asciilifeformit isn't impossible to do, and actually cheap in comparison to some of the ineffective works of rms & co.Apr 30 20:59
asciilifeformXRevan86: you can have a reasonably modern chip made for cost of toyota.Apr 30 21:00
XRevan86asciilifeform: I'll stay sceptical for now.Apr 30 21:00
XRevan86asciilifeform: And who will care about it?Apr 30 21:00
asciilifeformplenty of people, who don't want washington in their comp. the smarter bitcoin users, for example.Apr 30 21:01
XRevan86asciilifeform: A random number generator…Apr 30 21:02
asciilifeformwe sold out 2 print runs of FG device, which is much more specialized ( i wasn't certain anyone would buy at all, when designed it )Apr 30 21:02
XRevan86only a millimetre away from a modern laptopApr 30 21:02
asciilifeformand whole centimetre away from space station, yesApr 30 21:03
asciilifeformfor some reason the 'free soft' people are chronically allergic to entire idea of making ironApr 30 21:04
asciilifeformlarge or smallApr 30 21:04
asciilifeformimho this is mistake.Apr 30 21:04
asciilifeformif they had started with iron, we would not today have the idiocy with 'closed driver', microshit 'secure boot', etc.Apr 30 21:05
XRevan86asciilifeform: It is not like no attempts were made.Apr 30 21:05
asciilifeformi'm not aware of any attempts ( will not count the idiocy with ibm cpu )Apr 30 21:05
XRevan86including upcoming Librem devicesApr 30 21:06
asciilifeformdid they promise a machine where full source of cpu, chipset, etc. is public ?Apr 30 21:06
XRevan86not completely free, but a…Apr 30 21:06
asciilifeformas in, i can go to taiwan and have it madeApr 30 21:06
asciilifeformif not, then no attempt.Apr 30 21:06
asciilifeform'not completely free' is like 'not completely pregnant'Apr 30 21:07
XRevan86asciilifeform: By the way, what do you think about Elbrus?Apr 30 21:07
asciilifeformi've been trying to buy one for several years now. and with help of mp_en_viaje. so far 0 result.Apr 30 21:08
XRevan86asciilifeform: Or more to the FOSS point, about RISC VApr 30 21:08
asciilifeformthey do not sell to foreign countries.Apr 30 21:08
asciilifeformXRevan86: riscv terrible architecture. no flags, and because of this cryptography very slow, cannot write efficient 'bignum'.Apr 30 21:08
XRevan86asciilifeform: Ah, partially explains their staggering commercial successApr 30 21:08
asciilifeformx86 also 'commercial success' while being shit.Apr 30 21:09
XRevan86asciilifeform: that was about elbrusApr 30 21:09
asciilifeformi have yet to see a working elbrus offered for sale where i can buy it, for any price.Apr 30 21:09
XRevan86hard to make money and reject customers at the same timeApr 30 21:09
asciilifeformeven if found, as i understand it is full of 'licensed' hardware from americans.Apr 30 21:10
asciilifeformthe network card, chipset, etc.Apr 30 21:10
asciilifeformdoes not come with source for cpu, eitherApr 30 21:10
asciilifeformmy impression is that it is 'golden toilet' for ru military market.Apr 30 21:10
asciilifeformin china they made a similar machine, 'dragon'Apr 30 21:10
asciilifeformalso not buyable by anyone who isn't chinese general.Apr 30 21:11
asciilifeformand also 0 published sources.Apr 30 21:11
asciilifeformwhen i say 'fully open', will illustrate : example.Apr 30 21:12
XRevan86> sovokApr 30 21:12
asciilifeformcorrect. where chip came with document that tells where the transistors are and why.Apr 30 21:13
asciilifeformthat's what means 'open'.Apr 30 21:13
asciilifeformmy 'mk61' calculator came with schematic. which pc comes with schematic ?Apr 30 21:14
asciilifeformwhen rms & the other americans who grew up in forest, with wolves, say 'open', they have no idea what the word means.Apr 30 21:14
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XRevan86Ah, so that's *from* sovok, understoodApr 30 21:15
asciilifeformcorrect, bk / dvk cpuApr 30 21:16
asciilifeformpossibly XRevan86 is familiarApr 30 21:16
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XRevan86which dvk is that?Apr 30 21:17
XRevan86> mk61Apr 30 21:18
XRevan86ahApr 30 21:18
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asciilifeform1801 ?  МС1201Apr 30 21:18
asciilifeformand several other machines ( industrial control, army, etc )Apr 30 21:19
XRevan86К1801ВМ2Apr 30 21:19
asciilifeformlast i knew was still being made in zelenograd.Apr 30 21:19
XRevan861982…Apr 30 21:19
asciilifeformunless factory was sawed apart in recent yearsApr 30 21:19
asciilifeformXRevan86: as recently as 2009Apr 30 21:20
asciilifeformit's a perfectly good 16bit cpu with zero washington in it.Apr 30 21:20
asciilifeformyou don't need 32 core 'pentium' for controlling rocket.Apr 30 21:20
XRevan86asciilifeform: Are you registered on LOR?Apr 30 21:22
asciilifeformi do not know what it is?Apr 30 21:23
XRevan86asciilifeform: 30 21:24
asciilifeformi think i registered an acct several years ago, to make a comment somewhereApr 30 21:24
asciilifeformbut do not remember now when and whereApr 30 21:24
asciilifeformpossibly it had to do with the incident .Apr 30 21:26
asciilifeformwhen mp_en_viaje and i found the breakable keys, washington cooked up a quick 'rebuttal' and spread it around the net, and published a translated copy 'as fact' , and iirc i left comment ( probably was deleted immediately, i did not look )Apr 30 21:27
asciilifeformXRevan86: now i have to go, will be back later.Apr 30 21:29
XRevan86asciilifeform: Found a thread on the topic, didn't find theeApr 30 21:30
XRevan86and it's the only thread on the topicApr 30 21:32
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MinceR30 172356 <+oiaohm> By hey its the English mangled mess.Apr 30 21:46
MinceR"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."Apr 30 21:47
MinceR--James D. NicollApr 30 21:47
XRevan86and also complicated spellings of existing words by mistakeApr 30 21:51
XRevan86I am impressed by iland being respelled as islandApr 30 21:52
MinceR:>Apr 30 21:53
MinceRthere are also those extra u-s and swapped er-sApr 30 21:53
XRevan86and "numb"Apr 30 21:53
XRevan86> The final ‹b› is a later addition to the spelling; it was never pronounced, and did not appear in the original word.Apr 30 21:54
MinceR:>Apr 30 21:54
XRevan86MinceR: That's just FrenchnessApr 30 21:54
MinceRmore like imitating the frenchApr 30 21:55
XRevan86For instance, metre is from FrenchApr 30 21:55
XRevan86<- Latin metrum <- Greek metronApr 30 21:55
MinceRin some of its senses it's "meter" even in UK englishApr 30 21:56
MinceRjust to make things easierApr 30 21:56
XRevan86MinceR: Just like "while" in some sense is "hwile"Apr 30 21:56
MinceRhuh?Apr 30 21:56
XRevan86sound swap is not an uncommon phenomenonApr 30 21:56
XRevan86MinceR: I am actually puzzled by my it is spelled this way.Apr 30 21:57
MinceRhwile is Old EnglishApr 30 21:57
XRevan86* by whyApr 30 21:57
XRevan86MinceR: But it was *never* pronounced like "while"Apr 30 21:57
XRevan86always hwApr 30 21:57
XRevan86that in most dialects shifted to just wApr 30 21:57
MinceRi've never heard it pronounced it hwApr 30 21:58
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe you didn't notice :)Apr 30 21:58
XRevan86MinceR: 30 21:58
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XRevan86MinceR: It is common in South American accents.Apr 30 21:58
XRevan86Fun fact: the word for a minute in Ukrainian is khvylynaApr 30 22:00
XRevan86hwile-inaApr 30 22:00
MinceRsouth americans are uncommon hereApr 30 22:00
MinceRand kh is a different sound from hApr 30 22:00
XRevan86MinceR: I followed conventional transliterationApr 30 22:01
XRevan86MinceR: pronunciation exampleApr 30 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Хвилина слави - YouTubeApr 30 22:04
XRevan86And yes, it is from EnglishApr 30 22:05
XRevan86at least according to some sources I may be remembering wrong (:Apr 30 22:08
XRevan86but it is from a Germanic language for sureApr 30 22:08
MinceRXRevan86: 30 22:13
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XRevan86MinceR: that's the oneApr 30 22:13
MinceRthe unmerged option is pretty uncommon apparentlyApr 30 22:13
XRevan86also ScottishApr 30 22:13
MinceR30 230403 <+XRevan86> MinceR: pronunciation exampleApr 30 22:14
MinceRstill sounds more kh than h to meApr 30 22:14
MinceRisn't soft 'h' rare in eastern slavic languages anyway?Apr 30 22:14
XRevan86MinceR: It depends on what you mean by softApr 30 22:14
XRevan86 soft, as in slenderApr 30 22:15
MinceRsoft as in what russians usually transliterate with 'g' :>Apr 30 22:15
XRevan86MinceR: There's a sound represented by "h" in transliterations…Apr 30 22:16
XRevan86 30 22:16
XRevan86there it isApr 30 22:16
MinceRyeah, that's the oneApr 30 22:16
XRevan86MinceR: ^ That's the one.Apr 30 22:16
XRevan86MinceR: Does that sound anything like an English h?Apr 30 22:16
MinceRi think soApr 30 22:17
XRevan86gm…Apr 30 22:17
MinceR:)Apr 30 22:18
XRevan86MinceR: 30 22:20
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XRevan86"what's" – barely recognisable, but "why"Apr 30 22:20
XRevan86MinceR: So I'm pretty sure you in fact were exposed to that kind of pronunciation before ;)Apr 30 22:22
XRevan86… and didn't noticeApr 30 22:22
MinceRi still don't hear the 'h' in 'what' and i'm not sure what i'm hearing in 'why'Apr 30 22:23
XRevan86MinceR: He starts the "what's" with breathing in, so it colludes with "hw"Apr 30 22:23
XRevan86MinceR: But you don't hear ŭ-a-j there, right? ;)Apr 30 22:24
XRevan86as I hear it, he barely even makes that ŭ out at allApr 30 22:25
MinceRi don't think i can cut it into such unitsApr 30 22:28
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe what's stopping me from seeing γ sound as close to the English h is that it is voiced.Apr 30 22:29
*XRevan86 went to check how modern Greeks pronounce γApr 30 22:32
XRevan86 30 22:32
XRevan86I… did not expect thatApr 30 22:32
XRevan86hosspadi…Apr 30 22:34
XRevan86( )Apr 30 22:35
XRevan86Ancient Greek: g, Byzantine Greek: gh / h, Modern Greek: jApr 30 22:37
*XRevan86 looks for a pronunciation example of гаммаApr 30 22:37
XRevan86maybe I should just look for a Greek αλφαβητApr 30 22:38
XRevan86 that worksApr 30 22:41
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XRevan86delta → theltaApr 30 22:41
XRevan86I'm not even surprised at this pointApr 30 22:41
XRevan86MinceR: Does that sound in Greek sound like English h?Apr 30 22:43
MinceRimo it doesn'tApr 30 22:44
XRevan86 and here?Apr 30 22:46
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XRevan86explains the deal with it turning into "j" tooApr 30 22:46
MinceRniceApr 30 22:50
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kaniinischestowitz GitHub is a great repo of config files and ssl private keys for random websitesMay 01 05:57
kaniinilolMay 01 05:58
oiaohmkaniini: sounds about right by the number of tools made to mine github for that data.May 01 06:10
oiaohmkaniini: fun tools.May 01 06:13
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schestowitzkaniini: you can even search for themMay 01 06:40
schestowitzkaniini: i wanted to noteMay 01 06:41
schestowitzin pleroma classic UI (not mastodon-like front end)May 01 06:41
schestowitzI can no longer see an option to delete. I've looked everywhereMay 01 06:41
schestowitzso when I post something in error I need to use mastodon-like front end to delete itMay 01 06:41
schestowitzin the past there was an icon with "x"May 01 06:42
schestowitzfor deleting these, it vanished recently, I thinkMay 01 06:42
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kaniinischestowitz yeah it's known issue I just need to update the softwareMay 01 11:11
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schestowitzkaniini: thanks, sounds reassuringMay 01 16:35
schestowitzI love your homegrown, gnusocial-like UI betterMay 01 16:35
schestowitzmastodon became too bloated for meMay 01 16:36
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kaniinischestowitz: yeah, mastodon is really busy, and the firehose effect is somewhat annoying actuallyMay 01 20:12
kaniinischestowitz: delete button should be back now btwMay 01 20:31
schestowitzthanks, refreshing pageMay 01 20:38
schestowitzaaannd it's baaaackMay 01 20:38
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XRevan86MinceR: Didn't initially notice that the second Thor is from SG-1, too.May 01 21:33
MinceR:>May 01 21:34
schestowitzI didn't know it was called thatMay 01 21:43
XRevan86schestowitz: Stargate SG-1 you mean?May 01 21:43
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XRevan86After seeing 1.4 seasons of ST: Voyager I can say that Janeway is the most reckless captain of them all.May 01 22:32
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schestowitzMinceR: maybe we should patent thatMay 02 08:13
schestowitzMinceR: it's AIMay 02 08:13
schestowitzHEY HI!!May 02 08:13
MinceR:>May 02 08:22
schestowitzI will borrow this pic for my articleMay 02 08:26
schestowitzit lacks source houghMay 02 08:26
schestowitz*thoughMay 02 08:26
schestowitzI think it is geneticMay 02 08:26
schestowitzwith text addedMay 02 08:26
schestowitzbecause the text if uglyishMay 02 08:27
schestowitzI will modify it a bit to make it fair-ish useMay 02 08:27
schestowitz...doneMay 02 08:34
schestowitzI added some bits to itMay 02 08:34
schestowitzMinceR: see image in 02 09:47
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*XRevan86 predict that a new word will be invented to describe AI, as the existing one's being discredited.May 02 12:59
XRevan86"Mr. Data, I heard you're an AI, are you based on TensorFlow?"May 02 13:01
schestowitz 02 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ XRevan86 "predict[s] that a new word will be invented to describe AI, as the existing one's being discredited." I guess they will just substitute #ai (HEY HI!) with #machinelearning even where it's inapplicableMay 02 13:02
*XRevan86 lost the "s", yes.May 02 13:03
*XRevan86 hopes that instead they will realise that this is no more AI than IBM Deep Blue (smarter than a human!).May 02 13:07
schestowitzeven IBM stopped itMay 02 13:08
schestowitzrebranded as Watson and given a TV slotMay 02 13:08
schestowitzprime timeMay 02 13:08
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XRevan86> Watson is the AI platform for business.May 02 13:08
XRevan86schestowitz: Doesn't look like they have.May 02 13:09
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XRevan86"Machine Learning" isn't a perfect description either, but at least it cause people to wonder whether the pattern recognising dummies should be taught the Three Laws of Robotics.May 02 13:16
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schestowitzoopsMay 02 13:18
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MinceR02 104705 <@schestowitz> MinceR: see image in 02 13:29
MinceR:DMay 02 13:29
zoobablove itMay 02 13:36
schestowitzI think it's fair useMay 02 13:39
schestowitzbecause it is modified more than a littleMay 02 13:40
schestowitzanyway, I don't know the sourceMay 02 13:40
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cubexyzschestowitz, MSfutbol? :) My knowledge of Football comes indirectly from customersMay 02 18:20
schestowitzirish any of them?May 02 18:21
schestowitziirc, you were born in/near belfast, canadians aren't into "soccer"May 02 18:22
cubexyzschestowitz, that's right, good memoryMay 02 18:22
schestowitzmy best friend's mom lives thereMay 02 18:22
cubexyzcustomers... some English, some Indian (from India)May 02 18:22
schestowitzIndians love watching footballMay 02 18:22
schestowitznever met Pakistanis or Indians who are really good at it, unlike cricketMay 02 18:23
cubexyzToronto had a high number of immigrants from Ireland due to the potato famineMay 02 18:23
cubexyzI learned a bit more of the history earlier todayMay 02 18:24
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cubexyzI can remember some Irish talking about George BestMay 02 18:25
cubexyzschestowitz, there's some interest in Toronto FC so I wouldn't say there's no interestMay 02 18:28
cubexyzbut ice hockey is the main thing over hereMay 02 18:29
cubexyzregarding people's concern for linux.. I always say the same thing:May 02 18:33
cubexyzdon't depend on it 100%... use 9front, bsd, or whatever as wellMay 02 18:33
cubexyzheck, give FreeRTOS a tryMay 02 18:36
cubexyzOpenSXCE was another oneMay 02 18:38
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schestowitzcubexyz: I didn't know Best was IrishMay 02 19:10
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schestowitzNorthern IrelandMay 02 19:11
schestowitzI just knew about his  Manchester United careerMay 02 19:11
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XRevan86MinceR: This is real O_OMay 02 23:13
XRevan86not the second part probably thoughMay 02 23:13
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XRevan86MinceR: Ah, I figured he was going to be particularly kind whilst killing them.May 03 12:14
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XRevan86English is ambiguous this way.May 03 12:46
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DaemonFC[m]MinceRsaid something like: The fruit of Microsoft's "free" donated software to "education" is a generation of M$ cultists running IT departments that don't work well using software that is completely unfit for the task at hand while compromising the security of all of the information it handles.May 03 22:28
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I don't even feel comfortable at the DMV, because not only is it packed full of horseshit, it's not even Microsoft's current horseshit. It's fucking Windows XP because Shitcago and Hellinois are broke as fuck.May 03 22:28
MinceRwell, winblows xp is better than all the winblows versions sinceMay 03 22:32
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MinceRdisregard thatMay 04 00:57
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cubexyzis there a way to start an app always on top?May 04 17:21
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MinceRif you're using fvwm, you can set a given layer for a window with a given name or class in thw rc, so yesMay 04 17:21
XRevan86MinceR: Looks kind of ThaiMay 04 17:23
MinceRs/hw/he/May 04 17:24
cubexyzI've forgotten most of the dcop stuff from KDE 3.5.10May 04 17:29
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cubexyzI guess all the wm's are different, or was there some standard way for doing stuff like that?May 04 17:41
MinceRwell, you could use devilspie with EWMH-compliant wm-s to detect when the window appears and set its layerMay 04 17:41
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XRevan86A whole new angle to the Poe's Law.May 04 21:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A new camera was set up in the park.  Snow Leopard was spooked.May 04 21:03
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XRevan86MinceR: brothers?May 04 23:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-15 light roast comics that are a little darker - Album on ImgurMay 05 00:44
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DaemonFC[m]I got my portable hard drives all switched over from ExFAT to Ext4.May 05 10:49
DaemonFC[m]ExFAT is a real slug with the FSUE module and it starts acting really flaky after it has aged for a couple of years.May 05 10:50
DaemonFC[m]I was getting random I/O errors and decided to run, not walk, to the exits, before I couldn't mount the file system. :/May 05 10:50
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: its also the fact to have a proper ExFat repair tool its run windows.May 05 11:01
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XRevan86MinceR: Why Shocked Pikachu though?May 05 18:40
MinceRbecause of the surprise when he finds out?May 05 18:47
XRevan86MinceR: He was probably disappointed.May 05 18:48
oiaohmThere is such thing as being male and successsfully seeing more colours than you should in a colour test.May 05 18:56
MinceRXX chromosomes, mutated sex hormones and tetrachromatism?May 05 18:57
MinceRor just mutation, or just chimerism?May 05 18:57
oiaohmThere a odd one.   tetrachromatism is one way of broader range that only happens if you have female XX chromosomes somewhere.May 05 18:59
oiaohmThere is one that happens if you have alteration to cell constructions protones as well.May 05 18:59
oiaohmNot a broad as Tetrachromatism but causes confusing why you can see far too much and be male.May 05 19:00
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