Mar 21 00:00:27 * dancesWithCycles has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 00:16:51 * GI_Jack has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 00:18:59 * ossguy (~denver@conservancy/staff/ossguy) has left Mar 21 00:20:39 * RedSoxFan07 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Mar 21 00:21:33 * joeschmoepenguin (~joeschmoe@2600:1700:4a30:bd40:65b6:d1d9:8d59:fe3) has left ("Leaving.") Mar 21 00:22:54 * elusive has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 00:23:39 * ashutosh (~ashutosh@27.7.88.232) has joined Mar 21 00:27:35 * 7YUAB1ZBA (~mazur@69.172.163.35) has joined Mar 21 00:45:45 * RedSoxFan07 (~Thunderbi@d-159-250-218-50.ct.cpe.atlanticbb.net) has joined Mar 21 00:47:49 what's this libreadventure thing? Mar 21 00:50:41 It is a 2D thing where you walk around and can talk to other people in the conference. There are also locations to go to in order to see the talks and do other things. I think it makes this virtual conference feel more like a real one. Mar 21 00:50:56 It has a very 8-bit feel to it. Mar 21 00:51:17 https://play.libreadventure.fsf.org/ Mar 21 00:51:24 jxself: come have a look what im doing in minetest :) Mar 21 00:51:29 fsf libreplanet server Mar 21 00:51:35 jxself: thanks! Mar 21 00:51:37 i call it minesculpt Mar 21 00:51:58 * 7YUAB1ZBA has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Mar 21 00:52:01 not finished yet. ill be done in a few hours Mar 21 00:53:09 vagrantc: It also contains a replica of the FSF office. Mar 21 00:53:33 * qbfkgwnr has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Mar 21 00:54:14 oh wow, you go to the room and it starts the video from that room? Mar 21 00:54:22 Yes. Mar 21 00:54:42 this is ... weird ... but great! :) Mar 21 00:54:47 And if you walk up to another person in there it starts a video chat with that person. Mar 21 00:55:27 Much like you might do at a "real" conference. Mar 21 00:56:06 wow. Mar 21 00:57:43 this is interesting Mar 21 00:58:01 I thought so. Did you find the FSF office? Mar 21 00:59:24 I found you can also hold down the shift key to run. Mar 21 01:02:35 yeah, and now just talking to a person i ran into in the hallway track Mar 21 01:03:01 Have fun. I'm going to bed. Good night. ZZZzzz... Mar 21 01:03:15 jxself: it's only 21:00 in our TZ! ☺ Mar 21 01:07:00 Greetings and salutations Mar 21 01:07:57 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 01:08:36 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 01:11:04 * b01 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Mar 21 01:12:12 * gknauth has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Mar 21 01:14:48 * vagrantc is a libreadventure convert! Mar 21 01:14:58 * vagrantc waves Mar 21 01:15:03 > minetest Mar 21 01:15:09 * vagrantc has quit (Quit: leaving) Mar 21 01:15:16 * nleolnx has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) Mar 21 01:16:35 * Delib_ has quit (Quit: status msg) Mar 21 01:31:48 * Emulatorman__ (~andre@gateway/tor-sasl/emulatorman) has joined Mar 21 01:32:10 * alex__ (~alex11@bras-base-mtrlpq5302w-grc-37-76-71-166-141.dsl.bell.ca) has joined Mar 21 01:33:45 * alex11 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 01:34:55 * Emulatorman_ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) Mar 21 01:35:59 * mach-tb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Mar 21 01:44:57 * famubu (~famubu@117.206.38.137) has joined Mar 21 01:45:50 * famubu has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 01:52:02 minetest 0.4 on Guix (I already had 5 installed, thus the env): guix environment --ad-hoc --without-tests=minetest --with-branch=minetest=stable-0.4 minetest Mar 21 01:52:49 Had some good conversation and admired the work of leah and thomzane for a bit. The world's looking great; check it out tomorrow if you haven't! Mar 21 01:53:34 yeah i made libreboot logo in the sky on fsf's minetest server :) Mar 21 01:53:45 not done yet. some final tweaks needed Mar 21 01:53:51 will be done soon Mar 21 01:54:10 * IrishUSA5 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-rshanhkuvosxchtq) has joined Mar 21 01:54:33 btw mikegerwitz im working on a new libreboot release and making good progress. none of my work is pushed yet but im using a newer coreboot and grub version from december 2020 Mar 21 01:54:41 been updating everything Mar 21 01:54:48 huge improvements to build system Mar 21 01:54:55 leah: Oh awesome, thank you Mar 21 01:54:56 * IrishUSA5 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-rshanhkuvosxchtq) has left Mar 21 01:54:58 basically rewrote the lot Mar 21 01:55:18 mikegerwitz: lots of new board being added too. coreboot has quite a few new boards that are libre Mar 21 01:55:52 ETA late april 2021 for (beta) release. beta because... public testing needed when its out Mar 21 01:56:17 so stable ETA . monthly betas until then Mar 21 01:56:36 leah: While I have you here: I don't suppose you've experienced any issues resuming from sleep on a Libreboot'd X200? I can't reliably reproduce. I don't have the error on hand, I'd have to dig it up, but it's USB-related (kernel message). Mar 21 01:56:45 * lp-attendee15782 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 01:56:56 * IrishUSA (~trisquel@2601:146:4280:8be0:6d72:6b2:8a8b:2c04) has joined Mar 21 01:57:01 depends on cpu stepping Mar 21 01:57:37 some have newer microcode, some older. older ones have buggy suspend/resume on those gm45 lappies, like your x200 Mar 21 01:58:01 only fix is microcode updates. so, no fix possible in libreland Mar 21 01:58:26 nothing i can do about it unfoortunately Mar 21 01:58:46 Ah, okay, well thank you for your insight Mar 21 01:59:28 you can use hibernation if you add a special kernel parameter in grub Mar 21 01:59:30 * IrishUSA hopes nobody notices he's not running Libreboot and only notices that he's running Trisquel Mar 21 01:59:35 though i cant remember it right now Mar 21 01:59:37 * IrishUSA whistles casually Mar 21 02:00:10 I would if my hardware could tho Mar 21 02:00:15 IrishUSA: its ok. its your choice what software you use. libreboot is there whenever you want it Mar 21 02:00:30 :) Mar 21 02:00:43 Well put Mar 21 02:00:51 im actually not using libreboot either. running upstream coreboot and debian right now Mar 21 02:01:07 oic Mar 21 02:01:11 * leah never uses libreboot Mar 21 02:01:20 * leah merely develops it Mar 21 02:01:20 I also have a C201 I put libreboot on Mar 21 02:01:24 cuz Mar 21 02:01:36 lol is there a reason you don't? Mar 21 02:01:50 i need to use latest coreboot and work on that directly, so i know whats going on in the project, and know when stuff breaks Mar 21 02:01:56 mike is that that Asus Chromebook? Mar 21 02:01:59 Ah I see Mar 21 02:02:03 IrishUSA: yeah Mar 21 02:02:08 Interesting Mar 21 02:02:17 * seek (~seek@2402:4000:20c0:7f13:4d33:e09c:df9e:7564) has joined Mar 21 02:02:23 stuff i release is always like 6 months behind upstream Mar 21 02:02:24 You need a Wifi dongle for that right? Mar 21 02:02:28 > because testing Mar 21 02:02:36 i use upstream Mar 21 02:02:48 like Mar 21 02:03:01 a debian developer isnt going to use debian stable. they use sid Mar 21 02:03:02 I use a Sony VAIO. Trisquel works fine on it - including wifi and video Mar 21 02:03:04 IrishUSA: I used that before I got my X200, because it already has Coreboot and so is easy to flash. But the OS options weren't so great, and my Technoethical Atheros dongle would cause a kernel panic on the Devuan derivitive I was using. Maybe the situation is better today. It's been a couple years. Mar 21 02:03:23 I see Mar 21 02:03:51 I've been doing my usual paralysis by analysis on what to get next Mar 21 02:04:01 IrishUSA: But now I just use it for travel and tether to my phone for Internet Mar 21 02:04:06 though like for example if user comes along with a problems, i switch to the same libreboot version and machine they use if possible. Mar 21 02:04:14 so i can reprodudice their issue Mar 21 02:04:20 makes sense Leah Mar 21 02:04:58 IrishUSA: I have an old Vaio laying around too, which I used before the C201 lol. I had bought it a long time ago for my wife trying to convince her that she didn't need a Macbook. (Spoiler: she has a Macbook now.) Mar 21 02:05:15 so like when i release something its somthing i or someone else has used for 6-12 months and confirmed there are no problems, or backported fixes if there are Mar 21 02:05:18 Ha almost the opposite journey with me Mar 21 02:05:35 similar model to debian stable release mentality ("freeze period") Mar 21 02:05:39 We started with Macs, then went to a Chromebook, then to Linux on VAIOs Mar 21 02:05:56 lb hasnt had an update in years though, because we started rewriting the build system from scratch Mar 21 02:06:04 new one is very, um, complex Mar 21 02:06:11 think hurd compexity Mar 21 02:06:34 Now I'm looking at the next step - maybe a Linux-oriented laptop like from Tuxedo, ThinkPenguin, System76 or the like, or all the way into the deep end of the pool with a Libreboot compatible machine Mar 21 02:06:44 wow really Leah? Mar 21 02:06:48 i got tired of waiting for it to be ready, so in december last year i revived the old build system and have been improving upon that Mar 21 02:06:50 IrishUSA: Ah :) I've put GNU/Linux on a Mac before as well. Mar 21 02:07:09 leah: Ah, well thank you for your continued development. A lot of people rely on your hard work. Mar 21 02:07:19 the build system in development the last few years sucks Mar 21 02:07:23 its unmaintainable Mar 21 02:07:29 Absolutely - it's bizarre to me that so much rides on ONE person!! Mar 21 02:07:34 but some other devs in the project like it. Mar 21 02:07:46 I mean I know there are others who have contributed to Libreboot as well Mar 21 02:07:49 so were keeping it in a branch. one day itll be great Mar 21 02:07:59 but i put a line in the sand. Mar 21 02:08:16 the branch im working on works. Mar 21 02:08:25 But even then it's a tiny number of people considering the huge stakes. I mean in the entire world, that's a ridiculously number of people for such an absolutely key thing Mar 21 02:08:35 so like now there are 2 simultaneous dev cycles Mar 21 02:08:38 2 versions Mar 21 02:08:42 2 libreboots Mar 21 02:08:55 completely alien to each other. its whack Mar 21 02:09:11 Sorry I have to cut my conversation short---baby's awake. I'll see everyone tomorrow! Mar 21 02:09:21 cya Mike Mar 21 02:09:25 the one im working on, i call lbmk (libreboot-make) Mar 21 02:09:30 goodnight mike ! Mar 21 02:09:43 the other one is called paper Mar 21 02:09:56 paper aims to be highly configurable and flexible Mar 21 02:10:13 And Leah, you're talkng about the method by which you edit and update Libreboot? Not Libreboot itself? Mar 21 02:10:20 ...and i made lbmk do that in the last 4 months, with 1/10 the complexity. so yeah Mar 21 02:10:35 um, im talking about the build system Mar 21 02:10:49 it intergrates coreboot grub seabios flashrom utils etc Mar 21 02:11:06 so like, you have build systems in gnu+linux distros Mar 21 02:11:11 same thing here but coreboot Mar 21 02:11:24 OK Mar 21 02:11:27 think of it like package manager Mar 21 02:11:31 thats essentially what libreboot is Mar 21 02:11:49 I know Libreboot handles a lot of tasks Mar 21 02:11:56 giant build system that intergates everything. in the same way a gnu+linux distro does it for OS Mar 21 02:12:23 like i said my libreboot work isnt public yet. it will be when im finished Mar 21 02:12:45 i scrapped the last 5 years of work and started over. Mar 21 02:12:48 Cool. So the benefit is that it'll enable more frequent or easier updates? Mar 21 02:13:09 reason we didnt have release in 5 years is because the new build system sucks. i scrapped all effort on it Mar 21 02:13:13 Wow that takes a lot of gumption to overcome the "good money after bad" impulse Mar 21 02:13:18 IrishUSA: thats the plan Mar 21 02:13:19 There's a term for it I forgot Mar 21 02:13:25 something fallacy Mar 21 02:13:31 sunken cost phallacy Mar 21 02:13:43 or is it fallacy Mar 21 02:13:57 That's it Mar 21 02:14:03 Just DDG'd it Mar 21 02:14:11 i tried to convince the other devs that we should scrap the new build system Mar 21 02:14:16 they disagreed. Mar 21 02:14:21 so we decided: Mar 21 02:14:32 they continue working on it, and i do things my way. Mar 21 02:14:56 so now there are 2 competing libreboot projects both hosted on libreboot.org. but we are civil and share stuff between each other Mar 21 02:14:58 Uh oh Mar 21 02:15:12 all of this will be explained in the news post for release next month :) Mar 21 02:15:22 you know how there is python 2 and 3 Mar 21 02:15:25 Even if you all get along, this is like a fork though right? Parallel / divided efforts? Mar 21 02:15:26 or mailman 2 and 3 Mar 21 02:15:31 its like that Mar 21 02:16:12 not parallel. one works and will be used to make freqent releases soon Mar 21 02:16:19 No, I'm way way down from you in terms of sophistication, I can't program at all, can't use the command line without blindly copying instructions from elsewhere etc Mar 21 02:16:35 and the other is a meme that still doesnt build after 5 years :P Mar 21 02:17:00 * dot0 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) Mar 21 02:17:02 i mean look at hurd. Mar 21 02:17:05 So it's not like KDE3 and 4 theoretically both continuing, with 3 having become Trinity? Mar 21 02:17:17 paper build system is built with that mentality Mar 21 02:17:41 where build system is tiny, and them you have lots of stuff on top thats separate from each other Mar 21 02:17:51 micro build system if you will Mar 21 02:17:55 Well HURD is legendary in terms of still being worked on Mar 21 02:18:09 whereas my design is very monolithic but easy to maintain Mar 21 02:18:25 Interesting that you can actually download Debian GNU HURD and boot it though Mar 21 02:18:28 IrishUSA: and hurd is actually good Mar 21 02:18:44 damo22 has actually got hurd booting on libreboot systems Mar 21 02:18:57 he used to be in libreboot, now he does his own things Mar 21 02:19:03 I've, ahem, heard that it has features and capabilities that impress techy types, although I get dumb when those are explained Mar 21 02:19:21 Interesting! Libreboot, GNU and HURD. No Linux Mar 21 02:19:26 well i wasnt involved in libreboot the last few years Mar 21 02:19:34 i got involved again late last year Mar 21 02:19:55 I remember some of that. Glad it got resolved Mar 21 02:19:59 and i refuse to work on lb-paper build system. go download libreboot.git right now and read that code. try to make sense of it Mar 21 02:20:15 paper is anything besides what you see in oldbuild or resources/ Mar 21 02:20:26 so ignore oldbuild and resouces/ directory Mar 21 02:20:42 I couldn't make sense of the tightest, most beautifully self-explanatory code imaginable. I'm just an end-user and enthusiast and supporter Mar 21 02:21:15 well ok Mar 21 02:21:21 just take my work for it ;) Mar 21 02:21:41 i literally stopped doing libreboot work in 2017 Mar 21 02:21:50 only started again in late 2020 Mar 21 02:21:51 is the channel more, um, active during the day? 184 people and only the two of us chatting, at least in the -- what do you call it? --- main room or open channel? Mar 21 02:22:10 been at it since then. and i scrapped everything the other devs did and started from scratch pretty much Mar 21 02:22:23 i thought that was a big no-no Mar 21 02:22:35 Read an article about that years ago Mar 21 02:22:43 well Mar 21 02:22:50 youve got it backwards Mar 21 02:22:59 thats what the other devs that took over did in 2017 Mar 21 02:23:07 they scrapped years of work and started over Mar 21 02:23:13 im correcting their mistake ;) Mar 21 02:23:29 That software projects that decide to junk all legacy and code and start from scratch end up with huge effort and problems re-inventing the wheel Mar 21 02:23:37 oic Mar 21 02:23:44 the way i see it, libreboot has been a dead project the last 4 years or so Mar 21 02:23:48 and i recently revived it Mar 21 02:24:17 It's true I haven't seen much new. But I chalked that up to the issues with all newer hardware being inherently un free able Mar 21 02:24:21 i didnt want to get into lb again. but i had to come back. the other devs have failed to produce results Mar 21 02:24:44 i let the, continue working on their version, using libreboot.org infrastructure Mar 21 02:24:59 but ive otherwise taken back full control of the project Mar 21 02:25:20 im expecting that when i do my release next month well get lots of contrinutors Mar 21 02:25:36 contributors to my version. then the project will grow. Mar 21 02:25:46 and those other devs will... well i know them Mar 21 02:26:00 theyll keep developing their version. and thats fine. i have nothing against that. Mar 21 02:26:10 its their time theyre wasting. Mar 21 02:26:43 what ive done is basically a coup Mar 21 02:27:08 the other devs that took over do a bad job. its that simple. so i took over Mar 21 02:27:27 stay tuned for release! Mar 21 02:27:56 (they know how i feel. ive said all of the above to the, several times) Mar 21 02:28:01 * ashutosh has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Mar 21 02:28:37 (as i said, we agreed to split the project this way. they get to keep oing what theyre doing, while in the meantime i have my project back and can do things my own way, in my corner) Mar 21 02:29:25 i only care about getting releases out as efficiently as possible. Mar 21 02:30:01 their build system will be excellent when done though, and will offer many advanced features that match proprietary infrastructure in terms of features... Mar 21 02:30:18 ...in 5 years. their version is a beast Mar 21 02:30:20 Well I wish everyone agreed and worked together but at least you're still sharing the same goals and haven't forked Libreboot Mar 21 02:30:40 actually, i did that too. Mar 21 02:30:55 im experimenting with a new direction: Mar 21 02:31:23 * libreboot has inary release model. stable releases with roms compiled that people can just use, with source code as reference Mar 21 02:31:34 that has always been the case Mar 21 02:31:51 im working on *another* coreboot distro that aims to be like gentoo Mar 21 02:32:00 think of a coreboot rom like a gentoo package Mar 21 02:32:16 and build system producing coreboot roms like emerge Mar 21 02:32:36 source-based coreboot distro. completely flexible, very hacker-friendly Mar 21 02:32:46 so im runnign 2 projects :) Mar 21 02:33:23 you know gentoo right? what it does, how it works Mar 21 02:33:46 and how it differs from every other distro. where everything is built from source using the emerge package manager Mar 21 02:34:09 and emerge lets you compile countless versions of the same package, with different features patched in Mar 21 02:34:23 im doing something like that. but thats months away Mar 21 02:34:24 like Mar 21 02:34:36 end of this year maybe before i have something approaching that Mar 21 02:35:00 ... Mar 21 02:35:06 im gonna get back to minetest Mar 21 02:35:13 IrishUSA: have a good one Mar 21 02:35:59 * bkuhn has quit (Quit: Sleeping) Mar 21 02:37:14 I've heard of Gentoo. Didn't know what makes it different Mar 21 02:37:28 have fun Mar 21 02:37:31 well its the best thing ever Mar 21 02:37:34 try it :) Mar 21 02:38:45 If i understand you correctly i can have different versions of the same app at the same time without them interfering with each other? Mar 21 02:40:40 Eh sorry you were leaving, don't worry about explaining it to me, thanks anyway Mar 21 02:41:41 i'll hop out of IRC now too - hope I can figure out how to get back here Mar 21 02:41:57 * IrishUSA (~trisquel@2601:146:4280:8be0:6d72:6b2:8a8b:2c04) has left Mar 21 02:42:01 * arjv has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 03:00:01 * RedSoxFan07 has quit (Quit: RedSoxFan07) Mar 21 03:19:12 * seek applauds leah Mar 21 03:27:41 * lp-attendee06832 (6a49c621@conference/libreplanet/x-jonmzpqdacoijgjk) has joined Mar 21 03:28:50 * lp-attendee06832 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 03:34:50 * ace_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) Mar 21 03:37:46 * czm has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 04:04:13 * PoluX (~PoluX@37.171.191.245) has joined Mar 21 04:07:16 jxself: https://wtf.roflcopter.fr/pics/Wkc35b4m/5E1a5X6X.png Mar 21 04:07:22 https://wtf.roflcopter.fr/pics/7aIdFXgQ/4i9lsqCU.png Mar 21 04:07:28 https://wtf.roflcopter.fr/pics/Q1VqB6m3/WwYOFDfU.png Mar 21 04:07:31 https://wtf.roflcopter.fr/pics/Wi2wWzcq/20mh3p1l.png Mar 21 04:07:50 * leah has been having fun in fsf's minetest server Mar 21 04:08:14 a libreboot-powered deer invaded the skies! Mar 21 04:08:34 i just finished it. could tweak it further but im happy now Mar 21 04:08:43 been spending hours lol Mar 21 04:09:14 * cb400f (~cb400f@opensuse/member/Cb400f) has joined Mar 21 04:10:39 mikegerwitz: ^ for when you wake up Mar 21 04:12:48 * unamusedmon (3253b836@conference/libreplanet/x-rnbazgfdcfkdddvk) has joined Mar 21 04:13:08 * unamusedmon has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 04:18:57 * _neox_ is now known as neox Mar 21 04:20:20 * lp-attendee10512 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-glnbnwbxodomdndw) has joined Mar 21 04:20:28 * lp-attendee10512 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 04:23:16 * seek has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Mar 21 04:27:19 * hwpplayer1 (~hwpplayer@unaffiliated/hwpplayer1) has joined Mar 21 04:27:27 hi people Mar 21 04:34:17 * nickodd (~nickodd@unaffiliated/nickodd) has joined Mar 21 04:34:23 * AndreOc (b9d59ba0@185.213.155.160) has joined Mar 21 04:40:33 * SomeHacker has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) Mar 21 04:54:31 * PoluX (~PoluX@37.171.191.245) has left ("Au revoir") Mar 21 05:05:00 * seek (~seek@2402:4000:20c0:7f13:4d33:e09c:df9e:7564) has joined Mar 21 05:11:22 * byjoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 05:16:24 * thum (~thum@2a02:908:1081:3c00::871) has joined Mar 21 05:22:10 * oss9 (~oss9@dslb-084-057-073-163.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined Mar 21 05:24:42 * hwpplayer1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 05:25:25 * hwpplayer1 (~hwpplayer@unaffiliated/hwpplayer1) has joined Mar 21 05:25:28 * hwpplayer1 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 05:27:14 * zleap_ (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined Mar 21 05:46:08 * zleap_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 05:46:34 * zleap_ (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined Mar 21 05:52:43 * seek has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) Mar 21 05:52:56 * MechtiIde (~Mechtilde@ip-176-198-53-148.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de) has joined Mar 21 05:53:45 hi Mar 21 05:54:35 * tomnor (~user@c83-249-51-160.bredband.comhem.se) has joined Mar 21 06:00:00 you can type /join #libreplanet_room_jupiter to join the jupiter room or use saturn and neptune for the other 2 rooms Mar 21 06:03:02 * ashutosh (~ashutosh@60.243.255.175) has joined Mar 21 06:06:12 * seek (~seek@2402:4000:20c0:7f13:4d33:e09c:df9e:7564) has joined Mar 21 06:07:14 hello Mar 21 06:07:28 hello Mar 21 06:08:42 well i probably wont be around today. need sleep. havent slept since yesterday. was up all night on libreplanet minetest server :S Mar 21 06:08:52 lol Mar 21 06:09:04 eh Mar 21 06:09:09 sounds fun Mar 21 06:09:15 ill set my alarm. 5 hours ought to be enough Mar 21 06:09:17 was it busy all night Mar 21 06:09:24 the minetest server? Mar 21 06:09:27 nah Mar 21 06:09:37 a few people showed up Mar 21 06:09:38 we are hackers, we should be able to go pull all nighters Mar 21 06:10:26 ah ha Mar 21 06:10:37 talks start at 10PM EDT Mar 21 06:10:50 it is 9:10 am here in the UK Mar 21 06:10:58 yes i will wing it. see you in 5 hours. ill set my alarm clock Mar 21 06:11:02 ok Mar 21 06:11:04 chat later Mar 21 06:11:09 zleap_: no its 5:09 AM in the UK Mar 21 06:11:54 UK is using New York time zone at the moment. Its a new government policy, to make british citizens able to keep track of libreplanet schedule just for this weekend Mar 21 06:12:06 * jgbarah (~jgb@37.red-88-1-20.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) has joined Mar 21 06:12:17 :) Mar 21 06:12:29 my computer says 5.09AM Mar 21 06:12:39 ah Mar 21 06:12:52 * jpnc has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) Mar 21 06:12:59 it would be good to keep the education conversation going, post conference Mar 21 06:13:04 i set it to new york time for the entire weekend. will reset it to uk time on monday Mar 21 06:13:11 i saw part of the talk yesterday Mar 21 06:13:24 also set keyboard to qwerty so i can play minetest without changing keymap Mar 21 06:13:33 * leah is a dvorak user Mar 21 06:13:36 ah Mar 21 06:13:50 * leah also does laptops for people, so can still type on qwerty Mar 21 06:14:02 becausre... their machines get qwerty Mar 21 06:14:15 see you in a few hours Mar 21 06:14:19 ok chat later Mar 21 06:15:38 actually ill set it for 8 hours Mar 21 06:15:48 ok Mar 21 06:15:49 morning talks dont interest me today Mar 21 06:16:08 you can always catch up after the conference with those Mar 21 06:16:27 ah. another right to repair talk at 13:50 EDT in neptune Mar 21 06:16:42 ohh Mar 21 06:16:52 thats in... 9 hours Mar 21 06:16:58 perfect. i can get a full sleep Mar 21 06:17:02 see you in 9 hours Mar 21 06:17:06 see you later Mar 21 06:17:11 sleep well Mar 21 06:20:28 Good morning Boston Mar 21 06:25:03 * niceplace (~nplace@titan.pathogen.is) has joined Mar 21 06:26:24 * lp-christian_gel (2d7e1a15@conference/libreplanet/x-nmtixdgudlksnqgx) has joined Mar 21 06:26:51 * niceplace has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 06:27:13 * niceplace (~nplace@103.152.151.20) has joined Mar 21 06:29:13 * fibo_mach has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) Mar 21 06:30:53 * petrisch (1fa59bb4@conference/libreplanet/x-utruogxlqejllvdp) has joined Mar 21 06:32:05 * fibo_mach (~nunyuh@unaffiliated/fibo-mach/x-2389023) has joined Mar 21 06:32:08 * petrisch has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 06:33:22 * almaember has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Mar 21 06:39:56 * lp-attendee06370 (b20bc287@conference/libreplanet/x-fjxaajhzjoyzwqxa) has joined Mar 21 06:39:57 * lp-attendee06370 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 06:40:20 * oss9 has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 06:47:14 d Mar 21 06:47:16 * Anonymous____ has quit (Quit: leaving) Mar 21 06:48:00 * zleap_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 06:48:31 * tech_exorcist (txrcst@gateway/shell/hashbang/x-gismkvixgcsajxje) has joined Mar 21 06:53:12 * Neo7891 (5cf9c708@92-249-199-8.pool.digikabel.hu) has joined Mar 21 06:53:59 * Neo7891 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 06:59:43 * deevad (~deevad@2a01:e0a:17d:21a0:352c:bed7:bd7:c8ba) has joined Mar 21 07:04:32 * seek has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) Mar 21 07:06:04 * lp-attendee89574 (521431ec@conference/libreplanet/x-qtfecadfwdkbhrei) has joined Mar 21 07:06:56 * MechtiIde has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 07:07:23 * MechtiIde (~Mechtilde@ip-176-198-53-148.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de) has joined Mar 21 07:10:53 * lp-attendee22252 (50b6fb4e@conference/libreplanet/x-fcoeowdqklbdftnw) has joined Mar 21 07:10:53 * lp-attendee22252 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 07:12:59 * hum0nes (~tsempex@ppp046177004030.access.hol.gr) has joined Mar 21 07:16:39 * zack (~zack@fsf/member/zack) has left Mar 21 07:16:46 * zack (~zack@fsf/member/zack) has joined Mar 21 07:21:20 * Raylee has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 07:21:41 * niceplace has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in) Mar 21 07:23:52 * jgbarah has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 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My browser (Firefox on Debian stable) just says: "No video with supported format and MIME type found." Mar 21 08:06:04 * Onsemeliot has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 08:06:31 * Onsemeliot (54701210@conference/libreplanet/x-ybwtuzfkldgljohm) has joined Mar 21 08:07:03 * lp-christian_gel has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 08:07:26 Onsemeliot: it hasn't started yet, so the server gives a 404 response Mar 21 08:08:50 * Dyedefra (~Dyedefra@fsf/member/Dyedefra) has joined Mar 21 08:09:32 * Onsemeliot has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 08:11:21 * lp-attendee03744 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 08:16:53 * retropikzel (~Retropikz@d5kkf3w8q69py627q74-4.rev.dnainternet.fi) has joined Mar 21 08:22:17 * lp-attendee49180 (2d7e1a15@conference/libreplanet/x-pbuwgepzedlwalmv) has joined Mar 21 08:24:28 * giammife (~giammife@dynamic-adsl-78-13-170-54.clienti.tiscali.it) has joined Mar 21 08:24:47 They provide a video with sounds during the pause, but only after the conference has started Mar 21 08:25:18 Are you in LibreAdventure? Mar 21 08:25:46 I am not Mar 21 08:26:22 nupilios, where is LibreAdventure? Mar 21 08:26:43 * Insequent (77e068d2@conference/libreplanet/x-prrevtbhttfjfryj) has joined Mar 21 08:28:58 Mechtilde, it is here: https://libreplanet.org/2021/registered/libreadventure/ Mar 21 08:30:01 * aindilis` has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 08:32:50 * aindilis` (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined Mar 21 08:34:35 * dorian_greyscale (~dorian_gr@68.235.43.85) has joined Mar 21 08:35:10 * wxie (~user@101.88.33.235) has joined Mar 21 08:37:22 * noordinaryspider (~noordinar@173-228-79-134.dsl.dyn.son.sunset.net) has joined Mar 21 08:37:41 * Insequent has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 08:38:47 * Onsemeliot (54701210@conference/libreplanet/x-iscljbsehbclyuof) has joined Mar 21 08:39:08 * Onsemeliot has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 08:39:31 * polezaivsani (~polezaivs@orangeshoelaces.net) has joined Mar 21 08:43:13 hello libre planetarians! Mar 21 08:43:15 * smichel17 (~smichel17@c-73-68-217-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 08:43:29 hi Mar 21 08:44:27 * Nupilios1 (~Thunderbi@178-191-84-245.adsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined Mar 21 08:44:30 * Nupilios1 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 08:44:34 dozzed off yesterday and missed the awards - anybody recall who the nominees where? Mar 21 08:45:30 * jrasata (~andreas@fsf/staff/jrasata) has joined Mar 21 08:47:55 MechtiIde: can you hear us? Mar 21 08:49:31 * lp-attendee49180 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 08:51:19 * nupilios has quit (Quit: nupilios) Mar 21 08:51:41 * nupilios (~Thunderbi@178-191-84-245.adsl.highway.telekom.at) has joined Mar 21 08:52:51 * giammife is now known as Gimmi Mar 21 08:56:31 Lunar^, I heard you Mar 21 08:56:49 I'll look in it later Mar 21 08:56:53 good :) Mar 21 08:57:07 * dorian_greyscale has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Mar 21 08:58:29 I'm using Chromium, which works best for me (on ubuntu) Mar 21 09:00:31 * elfo (c99dfc3a@conference/libreplanet/x-iianiwjovacbxuov) has joined Mar 21 09:01:47 I use firefox and it works for me on Debian Mar 21 09:05:46 * JakeT23 (5c13b16a@conference/libreplanet/x-fwfjkrkaholrgwcz) has joined Mar 21 09:09:50 * JakeT23 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 09:10:36 * oss9 (~oss9@dslb-084-057-073-163.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined Mar 21 09:12:10 * federico3 (~quassel@unaffiliated/federico2) has joined Mar 21 09:14:50 * elfo has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 09:16:39 * Gimmi has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 09:17:17 * lp-attendee18687 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-fokekkopprfdqumg) has joined Mar 21 09:18:12 * save-lisp-or-die (~save-lisp@68.183.49.166) has joined Mar 21 09:20:48 * Neo7891 (5cf9c708@92-249-199-8.pool.digikabel.hu) has joined Mar 21 09:21:26 * lp-attendee62075 (8b2f432a@conference/libreplanet/x-winyjdacvrweswuq) has joined Mar 21 09:21:36 apparently my mic doesn't work Mar 21 09:21:39 * seek facepalm Mar 21 09:22:03 * deevad has quit () Mar 21 09:22:09 * lp-attendee18687 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 09:23:04 * zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined Mar 21 09:23:13 * lp-attendee62075 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 09:24:22 * deevad (~deevad@2a01:e0a:17d:21a0:bd17:3e5a:6f7b:7765) has joined Mar 21 09:25:16 * zleap has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 09:25:43 lmao "emphasizing choice can be risky. people confuse freedom with choice" <----------- right out of Orwell's playbook Mar 21 09:26:55 * hwpplayer1 (~hwpplayer@unaffiliated/hwpplayer1) has joined Mar 21 09:26:58 * adfeno (~Icedove@unaffiliated/adfeno) has joined Mar 21 09:27:33 Imagine being willing spend so much time arguing against commonly accepted definitions like "freedom" and "Linux", accusing people (including longtime contributors) of ethical violations, wrongspeak, etc, and thinking these small name discrepancies are what's driving people from the movement, not your own behavior Mar 21 09:27:39 hi people Mar 21 09:28:06 * johnh (~johnh@fsf/staff/johnh) has joined Mar 21 09:28:19 * zoe1 (~zoe@fsf/staff/zoe1) has joined Mar 21 09:28:53 * smichel17 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 09:29:35 * cmaloney has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.1) Mar 21 09:30:01 * dancesWithCycles (~dancesWit@pool-68-134-14-160.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) has joined Mar 21 09:33:02 hi hwpplayer1 Mar 21 09:33:12 What up Mar 21 09:33:13 * doctormon (d106bc82@inkscape/board/doctormon) has joined Mar 21 09:33:24 Morning all Mar 21 09:33:33 good morning Mar 21 09:34:42 * technodweeb (~lcbest42@174-16-199-43.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined Mar 21 09:34:58 polezaivsani: Alyssa and bkuhn won the free software award Mar 21 09:35:24 neat Mar 21 09:36:09 * KUrare (~KUrare@unaffiliated/kurare) has joined Mar 21 09:36:10 good morning Mar 21 09:36:14 Noisytoot: cheers! Mar 21 09:36:22 good morning too everybody Mar 21 09:36:55 * personame has quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.1)) Mar 21 09:37:06 * lp-attendee94517 (5c13b16a@conference/libreplanet/x-karkrxdagcixagbp) has joined Mar 21 09:37:17 though i think with free software every one of us is winning Mar 21 09:37:36 * lp-attendee94517 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 09:37:49 * personame (~user@95.146.35.4) has joined Mar 21 09:37:52 polezaivsani: That is the spirit! Mar 21 09:37:55 * Indignation (~Indignati@ip5f5bf99f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined Mar 21 09:38:02 i'll be back Mar 21 09:38:03 /whois personame Mar 21 09:38:11 Hi, I'm back! Mar 21 09:38:16 * JakeT23 (5c13b16a@conference/libreplanet/x-tygkxjngnvdqcefx) has joined Mar 21 09:38:25 and it is a lot of work to get it working Mar 21 09:38:48 * hyperspace (~hyperspac@ip5f5bf99f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined Mar 21 09:39:12 * hyperspace is now known as Indignation2 Mar 21 09:39:18 Hi! Mar 21 09:39:37 hi there Indignation2! Mar 21 09:42:39 * jrootabega has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 09:44:14 * championquizzer (~championq@gateway/tor-sasl/championquizzer) has joined Mar 21 09:44:27 * xbx (557f5220@conference/libreplanet/x-nnywvmkxzdwufdpo) has joined Mar 21 09:45:05 * neox_ (~neox@os.k/neox) has joined Mar 21 09:45:12 * xbx has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 09:45:23 * neox has quit (Disconnected by services) Mar 21 09:45:27 * neox_ is now known as neox Mar 21 09:46:01 * xbx (557f5220@conference/libreplanet/x-fwgznlfvgkfwyavn) has joined Mar 21 09:46:40 * Announ (~announ@fsf/member/announ) has joined Mar 21 09:48:44 we've turned the jupiter stream chiptunes on Mar 21 09:48:47 * lp-attendee59167 (5c620c98@conference/libreplanet/x-qdqfqvcwhiufiqvv) has joined Mar 21 09:49:00 please enjoy while drinking your morning beverage of choice Mar 21 09:49:45 * lp-attendee59167 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 09:51:51 or afternoon ;-) Mar 21 09:52:16 * Announ has quit (Quit: Announ) Mar 21 09:52:28 yes Mar 21 09:52:32 * Dyedefra (~Dyedefra@fsf/member/Dyedefra) has left Mar 21 09:52:44 * Announ (~announ@fsf/member/announ) has joined Mar 21 09:53:24 * lp-attendee40036 (584c3d45@conference/libreplanet/x-akhvrphyeprhjvvw) has joined Mar 21 09:54:24 * Unamusedmon (b9e67e96@conference/libreplanet/x-snaqllvxuczxqjrs) has joined Mar 21 09:54:52 * lp-attendee40036 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 09:55:04 * oss9 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Mar 21 09:55:43 * Unamusedmon has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 09:56:27 * mahmoudajawad (mahmoudaja@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ltrsyfgoqdzjysyd) has joined Mar 21 09:57:16 what's the current time there now? Mar 21 09:57:34 * danam (~danam@fsf/staff/danam) has joined Mar 21 09:57:40 did I make a mistake or is the opening supposed to have started already? Mar 21 09:57:47 * oss9 (~oss9@dslb-084-057-073-163.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined Mar 21 09:57:49 Who will NOT attend RMS talk today? xD Mar 21 09:58:13 jschwart: You're about an hour early bud Mar 21 09:58:30 Indignation2: ah that's what I needed to hear, thanks a lot man! Mar 21 09:58:31 47 mins to be exact Mar 21 09:58:36 :) Mar 21 09:58:59 I'm loving the chiptunes, super cool to see all the CC artwork in the talks too. Gives me hope for free culture:) Mar 21 09:59:16 G'day Mar 21 10:00:04 Didn't know there was so much nice CC artwork either :) Mar 21 10:01:31 The chiptunes are nice Mar 21 10:02:13 Hello! How do I access that interactive space that is being shown in the letter sent by FSF? Mar 21 10:02:14 * lp-attendee11810 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-wxqcfvwwcmrhzgah) has joined Mar 21 10:02:25 * lp-attendee11810 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:02:32 * lucia84 (9d64580f@157.100.88.15) has joined Mar 21 10:03:32 https://play.libreadventure.fsf.org is what you're looking for I believe Mar 21 10:03:40 * lp-attendee73463 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-xvdcraatoranzcug) has joined Mar 21 10:04:04 * inknos_ (~inknos@195.181.160.173.adsl.inet-telecom.org) has joined Mar 21 10:04:18 I see. I wasn't able to find it via mobile interface. Thanks. 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Mar 21 10:16:30 it's still cold here Mar 21 10:16:44 * ultidonki (~ultidonki@cpc160539-nott21-2-0-cust235.12-2.cable.virginm.net) has joined Mar 21 10:16:47 Still code in Boston too... Mar 21 10:16:53 ^code^cold Mar 21 10:17:06 yeah i'm in boston as well Mar 21 10:17:18 we still code in Boston too Mar 21 10:17:36 I'm in Nijmegen, as usual Mar 21 10:17:41 Trying to recreate first morning at the conference: Coffee, bagel with cream cheese Mar 21 10:17:49 * unamusedmon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 10:18:05 * cnngimenez_ (~cnngimene@190.177.203.72) has joined Mar 21 10:18:28 what are other channels? How to join them? Mar 21 10:18:30 mikalai8 try eating it standing up, wearing a lanyard Mar 21 10:18:57 mattlav1: looking for LibrePlanet lanyard Mar 21 10:19:09 Are there any drupal-developer here? I have a question regarding xdebug setup Mar 21 10:19:44 * SomeHacker_ (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 10:19:55 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 10:20:48 * Mikalai8 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 10:20:55 mikalai8 here's some channels: Mar 21 10:20:55 #fsf Mar 21 10:20:55 #gnu Mar 21 10:20:55 #fsf-members Mar 21 10:20:55 #libreplanet-eff Mar 21 10:20:55 #libreplanet-opensuse Mar 21 10:20:55 #libreplanet-sugarlabs Mar 21 10:20:56 #libreplanet_room_hallway Mar 21 10:20:56 #libreplanet Mar 21 10:20:57 #libreplanet-gaming Mar 21 10:20:57 #libreplanet_room_jupiter Mar 21 10:20:58 #libreplanet_room_saturn Mar 21 10:21:10 Is https://libreplanet.org/2021/registered/ working for anyone? Mar 21 10:21:15 It isn't working for me Mar 21 10:21:27 * lp-attendee08935 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 10:21:55 * lp-attendee08381 (4a5e9cd3@conference/libreplanet/x-ilxtueptfgqldhxi) has joined Mar 21 10:22:10 ^ it worked on a reload Mar 21 10:22:37 * QEDan2 (~mazur@69.172.163.35) has joined Mar 21 10:24:56 * lp-attendee08381 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:25:00 * jrootabega (~user@64.225.24.46) has joined Mar 21 10:26:17 * cetro (~skorpion@156.146.139.144) has joined Mar 21 10:26:29 * mxmehl (~mxmehl@fsfe/staff/max.mehl) has joined Mar 21 10:28:32 * oss9 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 10:28:32 * KUrare has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Mar 21 10:29:07 * veenaswa (a5e1dd39@conference/libreplanet/x-joavdpkwumwgocla) has joined Mar 21 10:29:37 * solocshaw1 (~solocshaw@2601:2c6:4680:a10::7b34) has joined Mar 21 10:30:22 * oss9 (~oss9@dslb-084-057-073-163.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined Mar 21 10:30:24 * nlsmrg has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 10:30:54 I've taken a desk in the FSF office (the shop) in adventure if anyone is around. Mar 21 10:31:06 Although perhaps the video/voice chat is down again. Mar 21 10:31:28 * KUrare (~KUrare@unaffiliated/kurare) has joined Mar 21 10:31:29 * mk_fsfe (~mk_fsfe@fsfe/officer/mk) has joined Mar 21 10:31:42 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to adfeno Mar 21 10:31:47 * mk_fsfe has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:32:08 it shouldn't be Mar 21 10:32:18 or rather, we patched something and we'll see what it does Mar 21 10:32:27 * solocshaw1 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:32:46 * Tawny (~Tawny@fsf/member/Tawny) has joined Mar 21 10:32:52 * solocshaw1 (~solocshaw@2601:2c6:4680:a10::7b34) has joined Mar 21 10:33:05 ggoes: What did you patch? Curious. Mar 21 10:33:12 * SomeHacker_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 10:33:39 * cmaloney (~snap-l@peppercarrot/maintainer/cmaloney) has joined Mar 21 10:33:40 * SomeHacker_ (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 10:34:11 * quiliro (~user@unaffiliated/quiliro) has joined Mar 21 10:34:22 * solocshaw1 is now known as solocshaw Mar 21 10:35:31 * adfeno has changed the topic to: LibrePlanet 2021: Empowering Users | March 20 & 21, online - https://libreplanet.org/2021 | Register today! https://u.fsf.org/39l | LibrePlanet schedule is live! https://u.fsf.org/39- | Watch the LP 2020 videos https://media.libreplanet.org | This is a LibrePlanet safe space https://libreplanet.org/2021/safe-space-policy , violations can be reported to operators: adfeno. Mar 21 10:35:32 * ChanServ has changed the topic to: LibrePlanet 2021: Empowering Users | March 20 & 21, online - https://libreplanet.org/2021 | Register today! https://u.fsf.org/39l | LibrePlanet schedule is live! https://u.fsf.org/39- | Watch the LP 2020 videos https://media.libreplanet.org | This is a LibrePlanet safe space https://libreplanet.org/2021/safe-space-policy Mar 21 10:36:35 * lp-attendee08508 (6a761463@conference/libreplanet/x-vjrvadoglocwayiw) has joined Mar 21 10:36:46 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to solocshaw Mar 21 10:37:22 * hammerron (~hammerron@096-032-057-238.res.spectrum.com) has joined Mar 21 10:37:27 * gnullist (4cd90c9b@conference/libreplanet/x-opescxrtuiffezkm) has joined Mar 21 10:37:41 * lp-attendee08508 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:38:15 * _neox_ (1b86bb1cba@os.k/neox) has joined Mar 21 10:38:30 * qbfkgwnr (~qbfkgwnr@c-174-56-224-70.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 10:38:40 * almaember (~almaember@178-164-219-207.pool.digikabel.hu) has joined Mar 21 10:40:06 * ddemaio (~ddemaio@fttx-pool-157.180.226.227.bambit.de) has joined Mar 21 10:41:16 * jastiv (~jastiv@libervis/jastiv) has joined Mar 21 10:42:22 you'll want to turn off TOPICLOCK if you want to add stuff to the topic Mar 21 10:42:27 /msg chanserv help set topiclock Mar 21 10:42:51 * lp-attendee23565 (5ff4c0f2@conference/libreplanet/x-fjqallitbsuxfuaq) has joined Mar 21 10:42:54 * helo_wold (6a47e8e4@conference/libreplanet/x-vvgpryeldnafznyf) has joined Mar 21 10:43:16 * lp-attendee95726 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-wmhnklyqabxaovfo) has joined Mar 21 10:43:29 * KindOne (~KindOne@freenode/father-christmas/kindone) has joined Mar 21 10:43:34 helo wold Mar 21 10:43:56 helo helo_wold Mar 21 10:44:05 :) Mar 21 10:44:13 helo helo_wold and AliciaC Mar 21 10:44:17 * BlinkingArrow (~baphomet@c-73-248-206-51.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 10:44:47 Hello helo_wold and AliciaC :) Mar 21 10:44:48 * lp-attendee94211 (18631e4d@conference/libreplanet/x-lmaoagsjjtyfuexq) has joined Mar 21 10:44:50 * oscar (~oscar@46.164.250.138) has joined Mar 21 10:44:51 Greetings wizards. Wish you a silky smooth exciting LibrePlanet experience. Feel free to park your spacecraft at the #libreplanet_room_hallway, and enjoy the full (interactive) experience of LibrePlanet2021 through its chat (IRC) and other virtual environements like the LibreAdventure -> https://play.libreadventure.fsf.org/ , and Minetest! Mar 21 10:45:13 noordinaryspider helo Mar 21 10:45:56 * lp-attendee94211 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:46:01 * lp-attendee38373 (b2c5e41c@conference/libreplanet/x-qnqsvibebbkxijpb) has joined Mar 21 10:46:32 AliciaC, qbfkgwnr helo ther Mar 21 10:47:11 * gnuser (18631e4d@conference/libreplanet/x-crkettpryudgoshx) has joined Mar 21 10:47:20 Hello day 2 LP Mar 21 10:47:37 :) Mar 21 10:47:37 * lp-attendee23565 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:47:39 * ace_ (~ace@2601:1c0:6d04:3e60:3cfc:6070:5edb:5801) has joined Mar 21 10:47:48 * lp-attendee30317 (1825a992@conference/libreplanet/x-dqxydfpmfqalbnxd) has joined Mar 21 10:48:11 * gnuser has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:48:12 * alexl (d1068065@conference/libreplanet/x-moaeuouygqqsyhbb) has joined Mar 21 10:48:13 * lp-attendee52536 (56984ff3@conference/libreplanet/x-abbdgtrljsymhvpt) has joined Mar 21 10:48:38 * gnudude (18631e4d@conference/libreplanet/x-mpzidthmlxejhimh) has joined Mar 21 10:48:48 * mmaug (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-jomrhdesvceeztzl) has joined Mar 21 10:49:12 * lp-attendee39397 (5f226998@conference/libreplanet/x-kywnrdbdcgojqbqz) has joined Mar 21 10:49:15 Indignation2: now I'm confused again :) Mar 21 10:49:27 Me too, this time xD Mar 21 10:49:36 hehe Mar 21 10:49:38 * lp-attendee07394 (5e84a7b0@conference/libreplanet/x-ilmboqeswtemwunl) has joined Mar 21 10:49:53 I think they're in a hurry to get everything working Mar 21 10:49:58 * nmag (aa33301e@conference/libreplanet/x-zfjjdzodtyeikths) has joined Mar 21 10:49:58 Let's not pressure them Mar 21 10:50:00 :) Mar 21 10:50:01 always Mar 21 10:50:10 * lp-attendee07394 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:50:13 yay its on \o/ Mar 21 10:50:14 * iglpdc (~ivan@c-24-61-43-42.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 10:50:22 * jalfredprufrock (3b5d5ec0@59.93.94.192) has joined Mar 21 10:50:26 yay Mar 21 10:50:34 Live for me too Mar 21 10:50:41 you're live Mar 21 10:50:42 helo zoe1 Mar 21 10:50:51 * lp-attendee38249 (5e84a7b0@conference/libreplanet/x-gvvulcpjxtxtpkgo) has joined Mar 21 10:50:54 Hi zoe Mar 21 10:50:55 Can't hear you, Zoe Mar 21 10:50:56 good morning :) Mar 21 10:50:57 15+y Mar 21 10:51:00 Since 1996. Mar 21 10:51:04 over 20 years, not sure if that's a good things (I feel old...) Mar 21 10:51:04 maybe it's me but, the sound is really quiet. Mar 21 10:51:04 20+y Mar 21 10:51:08 * lp-attendee25488 (5449dc08@conference/libreplanet/x-xmelotulmsgcemsy) has joined Mar 21 10:51:08 1 exciting year! Mar 21 10:51:08 since 2010 maybe Mar 21 10:51:10 4 years Mar 21 10:51:11 3 years Mar 21 10:51:12 since 2002 Mar 21 10:51:12 15 Years Mar 21 10:51:16 * lp-attendee13322 (1fa4c5db@conference/libreplanet/x-duutiwgwebvfdlpc) has joined Mar 21 10:51:17 more than 20 years Mar 21 10:51:18 10-15 years, not sure lol Mar 21 10:51:19 * Delib (~Delib@75-164-154-170.ptld.qwest.net) has joined Mar 21 10:51:21 4 years Mar 21 10:51:23 since 1997 Mar 21 10:51:23 20+yrs Mar 21 10:51:23 Since 1998+-, not sure anymore! Mar 21 10:51:23 15 years + 2 months Mar 21 10:51:23 20+ years Mar 21 10:51:23 around 15 years Mar 21 10:51:24 ~10 years Mar 21 10:51:25 for some 2 years? Mar 21 10:51:31 * Mikalai8 (17e9038c@conference/libreplanet/x-wbsgxydbzyielajl) has joined Mar 21 10:51:32 ~8 months Mar 21 10:51:32 ~10 years Mar 21 10:51:36 since 1989 Mar 21 10:51:36 * lp-attendee31085 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-yycpkfvmpdvmidlg) has joined Mar 21 10:51:39 * amelia_web (51bb4103@conference/libreplanet/x-eendeqggopmbrxop) has joined Mar 21 10:51:40 a couple years Mar 21 10:51:43 * lp-attendee69398 (ba771390@conference/libreplanet/x-yreiycvnhszpvnwc) has joined Mar 21 10:51:46 * alex__ has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 10:51:47 * lp-attendee93301 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-tlfxbmfrdssuphln) has joined Mar 21 10:51:47 18 years Mar 21 10:51:50 All my life, more than I'd care to admit years-wise :D Mar 21 10:51:50 * rollom (~rollom@146.199.191.222) has joined Mar 21 10:51:55 * mmaug has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:52:00 started on Mandrake in around 1980... Mar 21 10:52:01 * lioh (~lioh@unaffiliated/lioh) has joined Mar 21 10:52:07 15 years Mar 21 10:52:08 * notacat (b94186e8@conference/libreplanet/x-arwyttlbnnskcqmv) has joined Mar 21 10:52:08 * dot0 (~dot0@fsf/member/bl0tt0) has joined Mar 21 10:52:09 What was the question? Mar 21 10:52:09 jess: Thanks, will look it up ;) Mar 21 10:52:12 I missed it Mar 21 10:52:15 lol c etro Mar 21 10:52:21 * alyssa (~alyssa@138.197.143.207) has joined Mar 21 10:52:23 Noisytoot: how long have you been using free software? Mar 21 10:52:31 At least a decade, though I transitioned into it slowly. Mar 21 10:52:31 * lp-attendee60814 (5705c278@conference/libreplanet/x-busegyvlsqfjzszz) has joined Mar 21 10:52:39 * lp-attendee38373 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 10:52:39 I'm a newb. 2 years. Thanks college! Mar 21 10:52:45 Noisytoot: how many years have you used free software? Mar 21 10:52:45 * iggar (~user@2001:8b0:de97:c2a0:f808:168c:ad82:8b90) has joined Mar 21 10:52:46 a few years :) Mar 21 10:52:47 Welcome, gnudude! Mar 21 10:52:55 i always forget that Mar 21 10:52:55 more on jupiter room channel Mar 21 10:52:59 quiliro: I'm not sure Mar 21 10:53:01 you couldn't tell; they're all great Mar 21 10:53:03 * not_a_robot (~pi@2a01:4b00:8014:d900:a14c:9543:1291:efa8) has joined Mar 21 10:53:12 Noisytoot: that was the question Mar 21 10:53:22 slackware / fedora now, lost the plot Mar 21 10:53:22 * rnek0 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-jxxfqkifzarbrgyu) has joined Mar 21 10:53:25 Noisytoot: that is what everyone is answering Mar 21 10:53:25 Maybe 3 years Mar 21 10:53:32 thanks! Glad to be here amelia_web Mar 21 10:53:42 * lp-attendee60814 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:53:46 * lp-attendee52536 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 10:53:49 * karmar281 (~user@2a02:8109:b00:43d8::c5e3) has joined Mar 21 10:53:55 * dawnbp (~dawnbp2@fsf/staff/dawnbp) has joined Mar 21 10:53:57 * chambln (~user@2.31.228.235) has joined Mar 21 10:53:58 What're the room-specific channels? -- I'm having issues with logging in to get them (and in previous LP's, they're just been listed in the topic or online) Mar 21 10:54:03 Does anyone have the room channels handy? Mar 21 10:54:09 * dorian_greyscale (~dorian@68.235.43.85) has joined Mar 21 10:54:15 * giammife (~giammife@dynamic-adsl-78-13-170-54.clienti.tiscali.it) has joined Mar 21 10:54:15 * giammife is now known as Gimmi Mar 21 10:54:22 #libreplanet_room_name Mar 21 10:54:22 * alex11 (~alex11@bras-base-mtrlpq5302w-grc-37-76-71-166-141.dsl.bell.ca) has joined Mar 21 10:54:27 * GI_Jack (~GI_Jack@pdpc/supporter/active/gi-jack) has joined Mar 21 10:54:30 libreplanet_room_{roomname} Mar 21 10:54:30 jess: Thanks for the information. Mar 21 10:54:35 * cecalita (~cecita@node-1w7jr9qnqowrqj6poyxf6oe9y.ipv6.telus.net) has joined Mar 21 10:54:38 * twsaari (68edcbc5@conference/libreplanet/x-arzirwtlmaulutkf) has joined Mar 21 10:54:40 If we're all sharing free sw timelines -- I switched full time to a free operating system (Fedora at the time, I think) about 6-7 years ago. Though I remember installing Ubuntu on VMs years before that, so linux has been with me for most of my life now :~) Mar 21 10:54:46 ty the-catster, nupilios Mar 21 10:54:49 * ashutosh (~ashutosh@60.243.255.175) has joined Mar 21 10:54:49 Np Mar 21 10:54:54 no problem. Mar 21 10:54:57 Hey alyssa, LTNS Mar 21 10:55:05 Rooms: Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune Mar 21 10:55:05 * jxj (5bb4f3be@91.180.243.190) has joined Mar 21 10:55:06 the-catster nupilios thanks! Mar 21 10:55:10 * jalfredprufrock has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:55:15 * jxj has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 10:55:16 * Occhioverde (25744ae7@conference/libreplanet/x-hfqcpujtxvqhgiiy) has joined Mar 21 10:55:21 No problem Mar 21 10:55:26 cetro: in 1980 GNU did not exist....perhaps 1995 or 2000 for mandrake Mar 21 10:55:44 * cavemanr1 (~robert@074-142-067-156.ip-addr.inexio.net) has joined Mar 21 10:55:47 * jxj (5bb4f3be@91.180.243.190) has joined Mar 21 10:55:49 so, no redhat booth? saw a rep early morning yesterday but left fast. Mar 21 10:55:55 * lp-attendee95726 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 10:56:08 * launchd (examknow@bitbot/examknow) has joined Mar 21 10:56:08 I think not many booths because it wasn't clear how it would all work out Mar 21 10:56:10 * Jaaan (511e874e@conference/libreplanet/x-qjkiuspvvhxopxir) has joined Mar 21 10:56:22 * jalfredprufrock (3b5d5ec0@59.93.94.192) has joined Mar 21 10:56:28 was either slackware or mandrake... feels like 80's... could have been a bit later cause reality is I was using Xenix on Tandy boxes prior to Linux Mar 21 10:56:34 hi alyssa ! Mar 21 10:56:44 * amelia_ (~amelia@unaffiliated/amelia/x-6378434) has joined Mar 21 10:56:45 how to join jupiter channel Mar 21 10:56:45 * lp-attendee79474 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-cilwadtxmslbqwse) has joined Mar 21 10:57:00 * cavemanr1 (~robert@074-142-067-156.ip-addr.inexio.net) has left Mar 21 10:57:08 * notacat has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 10:57:08 jalfredprufrock: /join #libreplanet_room_jupiter Mar 21 10:57:09 jalfredprufrock, /join #libreplanet_room_jupiter Mar 21 10:57:11 * lp-attendee56387 (88b9820f@conference/libreplanet/x-dtojnkejbkzmawpc) has joined Mar 21 10:57:15 * mmaug (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-ecahhuetmswcoojt) has joined Mar 21 10:57:17 What about seabass's talk? Mar 21 10:57:20 thanks a lot! Mar 21 10:57:31 Minetest :) Mar 21 10:57:33 wow...that is syncronicity! Mar 21 10:57:45 Noisytoot: we're working with seabass on that Mar 21 10:57:46 * notacat (b94186e8@conference/libreplanet/x-jzdwjjhltgzvdqah) has joined Mar 21 10:57:50 I switched to GNU/Linux when the pandemic got me stuck at home for several months -w- Mar 21 10:57:56 ggoes, when will it be? Mar 21 10:58:22 Noisytoot: Hi :) I've updated the rollercoaster idea and advanced it Mar 21 10:58:32 still deciding Mar 21 10:58:34 * amelia_web has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 10:59:04 * dot0 has quit (Quit: leaving) Mar 21 10:59:26 * not_a_robot has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 10:59:33 I would not like to miss seabass's talk Mar 21 10:59:45 What is it about? Mar 21 11:00:06 * sandoku (51c1c369@conference/libreplanet/x-uyrhypkeolsdmnnq) has joined Mar 21 11:00:14 * staterade[m] (stateradem@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-aasjjfeojfcoajtw) has joined Mar 21 11:00:26 * massonpj (~patrick@pool-108-4-139-227.albyny.fios.verizon.net) has joined Mar 21 11:00:28 * not_a_robot (~pi@2a01:4b00:8014:d900:a14c:9543:1291:efa8) has joined Mar 21 11:00:37 * dot0 (~dot0@fsf/member/bl0tt0) has joined Mar 21 11:00:40 * lp-attendee18534 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-jkdhcooqbguovjgv) has joined Mar 21 11:01:18 * rnek0 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:01:24 nupilios, great! Mar 21 11:01:53 * rnek01 (~rnek0@2a01:cb18:81b0:7f00:7285:c2ff:fe57:8616) has joined Mar 21 11:01:59 * joeschmoepenguin (~joeschmoe@2600:1700:4a30:bd40:65b6:d1d9:8d59:fe3) has joined Mar 21 11:02:11 thank you! Mar 21 11:02:45 * Arthur (6b021e70@conference/libreplanet/x-jyevfljoqndsxyoi) has joined Mar 21 11:02:46 the-catster, "Care about your users: don't minify your JS!" Mar 21 11:02:58 Noooo Mar 21 11:03:15 * yongxian (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-ksqmiedjmzxhkfev) has joined Mar 21 11:03:26 * Occhioverde has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:03:32 @jiaminglimjm[m]: now THAT'S a good use of your time; congratulations! Mar 21 11:03:48 Noisytoot +1 Mar 21 11:03:54 The LibreAdventure is an amazing idea and implementation! Congrats guys Mar 21 11:04:11 * lp-attendee05997 (b2738238@conference/libreplanet/x-opbwvgghhfqrlumq) has joined Mar 21 11:04:12 * PaulE (b9e67e0c@185.230.126.12) has joined Mar 21 11:04:25 * lp-attendee66486 (566a7981@conference/libreplanet/x-hfbfhcvyidpmaoao) has joined Mar 21 11:04:38 Jaaan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqAAWzchHvk Mar 21 11:05:02 * SomeHacker_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 11:05:54 * seabass_ (~sebastian@unaffiliated/seabass) has joined Mar 21 11:06:12 * lohang (~lohang@51.15.0.88) has joined Mar 21 11:06:32 What event are you guys heading for? Mar 21 11:06:49 * isengaara (~guest@p200300ddff17c30002262dfffef698c1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined Mar 21 11:07:00 * mmaug has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:07:12 Noisytoot: That sounds great! Mar 21 11:07:22 I‘m going to the Neptune Room Mar 21 11:07:25 Indignation2, not only guys Mar 21 11:07:27 * lp-attendee76180 (6db6e3d1@conference/libreplanet/x-ljswezpgwyuquarx) has joined Mar 21 11:07:35 MechtiIde, :) Mar 21 11:07:51 ʕノ•ᴥ•ʔノ ︵ ┻━┻ Mar 21 11:08:25 * mmaug (4c771a28@conference/libreplanet/x-jxjuzunfvumnbiho) has joined Mar 21 11:08:30 I will be watching all three with only the most interesting one unmuted at any one time :) Mar 21 11:08:34 haha Mar 21 11:08:35 * lp-attendee18534 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:08:48 Not a bad idea Mar 21 11:09:02 I'm going to the Saturn stream, but probably not the channel unless the need arises. too many active channels gets overwhelming Mar 21 11:09:05 I can't decide :( Mar 21 11:09:17 which speaker is the best? Mar 21 11:09:19 Still standing at the schedule Mar 21 11:09:20 * retropikzel has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 11:09:29 Neptune sounds interesting if it‘s assuming creative as in arts and music Mar 21 11:09:29 I think there is a seperate IRC room for LibreAdventure, but I can't find its name anymore. Can somebody help me? Mar 21 11:09:31 I wish I could be in 3 places at the same time Mar 21 11:09:34 I'm choosing either Saturn or Neptune Mar 21 11:09:37 * cte-st-g (cte-st-g@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/cte-st-g) has joined Mar 21 11:09:57 lp-attendee25488: I think it was #libreplanet_room_hallway Mar 21 11:09:59 Saturn also sounds really useful Mar 21 11:10:07 I'll be heading to Jupiter Mar 21 11:10:13 Thank you AliciaC! Mar 21 11:10:15 hi all Mar 21 11:10:15 lp-attendee25488: libreplanet_room_hallway Mar 21 11:10:25 Indignation2: Mar 21 11:10:27 is there a group consensus on whether the libreadventure animal sprite is a cat or a dog Mar 21 11:10:30 i'd like to know Mar 21 11:10:35 is difficult to choice Mar 21 11:10:37 i think it's a cat Mar 21 11:10:43 I'm in neptune now Mar 21 11:10:47 I'd say cat Mar 21 11:10:52 I'm Jupiter now Mar 21 11:11:09 * lp-attendee13322 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:11:13 * jimt[m] (jimtmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yzmwhkfosdqrlrcw) has joined Mar 21 11:11:16 * scm (~scm@cpe-24-198-223-165.maine.res.rr.com) has joined Mar 21 11:11:27 Neptune sounds good so far, it is about art Mar 21 11:12:03 * lp-attendee05997 (b2738238@conference/libreplanet/x-opbwvgghhfqrlumq) has left ("LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org") Mar 21 11:12:55 * zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined Mar 21 11:13:04 It depends on the angle Mar 21 11:13:29 I'd say cat when I look at others, but mine looks more like a dog xD Mar 21 11:15:01 https://hostux.social/system/media_attachments/files/105/923/345/410/069/371/original/4195e9e36a228a1c.png definitely looks like a cat to me Mar 21 11:15:14 the nose is what throws me off Mar 21 11:15:16 looks like a dog's nose Mar 21 11:15:31 That‘s a cat to me Mar 21 11:16:04 * lp-attendee56387 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - 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https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:37:27 * thecliguy (~thecliguy@unaffiliated/thecliguy) has joined Mar 21 11:38:34 * walterbender50 (927385d5@146.115.133.213) has joined Mar 21 11:39:23 * petrisch4 (1fa59bb4@conference/libreplanet/x-greuadeypoktzchl) has joined Mar 21 11:39:38 * petrisch has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:39:41 * famubu (~famubu@59.97.59.177) has joined Mar 21 11:40:10 * lp (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-sottrztjndcphkct) has joined Mar 21 11:41:51 * miday (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-alcsmvdbyfqhrsae) has joined Mar 21 11:42:36 * lp-attendee02131 (4b85a24e@conference/libreplanet/x-lxuedizybqlebdjz) has joined Mar 21 11:42:40 * lp-attendee02131 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 11:43:42 * lohang has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 11:44:01 * giambr1 (9e3aac37@conference/libreplanet/x-cwchfbhiusmxvvxv) has joined Mar 21 11:44:04 * giambr1 (9e3aac37@conference/libreplanet/x-cwchfbhiusmxvvxv) has left Mar 21 11:44:25 * piekarski (1f10d31b@conference/libreplanet/x-mtytugbqynowlltp) has joined Mar 21 11:44:31 Hi David, have you tried allready to also use FreeHardware? Nvidia *duck* Mar 21 11:44:56 * piekarski (1f10d31b@conference/libreplanet/x-mtytugbqynowlltp) has left Mar 21 11:44:59 * giambr1 (9e3aac37@conference/libreplanet/x-rhfrgrnozdhnvyei) has joined Mar 21 11:45:54 * ubuntourist (~kjcole@unaffiliated/kjcole) has joined Mar 21 11:45:58 Graphics plug - Krita and Inkscape can both work well without GPU accel at all. Mar 21 11:46:15 * Hironobu (72a4f057@conference/libreplanet/x-rfdolfejusfhfyxx) has joined Mar 21 11:46:16 (Blender is a different story ofc) Mar 21 11:47:21 alyssa: shure? Also when using high resolution krita with wacom? Mar 21 11:47:45 * lp-attendee68105 (b7529e3f@conference/libreplanet/x-gnyetcbcqnkdfbjd) has joined Mar 21 11:48:29 * nmag has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:48:30 * lp-attendee68105 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 11:48:37 petrisch4: Well, if you're okay with not going 100% libre, you can also use the free AMD graphics card drivers Mar 21 11:49:05 * nmag (aa33301e@conference/libreplanet/x-irpbvqfmfppkqann) has joined Mar 21 11:49:06 petrisch4: high resolution, less so :) Mar 21 11:49:06 If you go for AMD you can't libreboot your computer sadly :/ Mar 21 11:49:15 * Mu5 (599c4776@conference/libreplanet/x-gelcwsqbkhnchdsm) has joined Mar 21 11:49:50 * piekarski (~piekarski@ip1f10d31b.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined Mar 21 11:49:59 * lp-attendee22112 (1774ebcb@conference/libreplanet/x-ebukgzakfwogmdqs) has joined Mar 21 11:50:02 * cetro (~skorpion@156.146.139.144) has left ("Leaving") Mar 21 11:50:08 * Zetagon (~leo@c151-177-52-233.bredband.comhem.se) has joined Mar 21 11:50:08 Javier are you here ? Mar 21 11:50:29 * Mu5 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 11:50:59 * Mu5 (a3ac5a6a@conference/libreplanet/x-ijppipbonruzwmuf) has joined Mar 21 11:51:50 * lp-attendee69398 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:52:01 * zooe (~zooe@unaffiliated/zooe) has joined Mar 21 11:52:14 I'm planning a Lilypond workshop soon via BigBlueButton. I will post more information on my homepage at https://qtau.de soon. Mar 21 11:52:15 * levity (322367c7@conference/libreplanet/x-yupdmmdzzilqacqa) has joined Mar 21 11:52:37 * cetro (~skorpion@156.146.139.144) has joined Mar 21 11:52:52 Sounds great! I‘d be interested in attending Mar 21 11:54:05 i love the nyangnu in minetest Mar 21 11:54:29 * sandoku has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:54:55 I have some pictures posted to mastodon search for #libreplanet2021 Mar 21 11:55:01 having some difficulty logging-in to cas.fsf.org/login - did not set password at registration & can't reset (no reset email received) Mar 21 11:55:17 * kcnickerson (ccbb64c4@conference/libreplanet/x-vkijynjxyuoywgae) has joined Mar 21 11:55:20 * nmag has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:55:22 Looks like a few people are reporting repeated dropping of the low-res saturn stream. In my case it ends and then I get a 404 when I try to refresh it for a while. Mar 21 11:55:37 * lp-attendee76180 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 11:55:39 * Delib_ (~Delib@75-164-154-170.ptld.qwest.net) has joined Mar 21 11:55:43 * floppus (~user@c-73-119-27-70.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 11:55:45 I'm stuck in the fsf-office after entering it Mar 21 11:55:47 * nmag (aa33301e@conference/libreplanet/x-uvyslhsjdijaojge) has joined Mar 21 11:55:58 * lp-attendee85686 (88b9820f@conference/libreplanet/x-zqweqwurphaipnzj) has joined Mar 21 11:56:03 I'm personally using the low res stream since I'm on a vpn and trying to reduce throughput Mar 21 11:56:03 After reloading the page it works again Mar 21 11:56:22 * kcnickerson has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 11:56:29 * petrisch (~petrisch@xdsl-31-165-155-180.adslplus.ch) has joined Mar 21 11:56:30 levity: It's looking for standard fsf.org login... Create one if you haven't already... with same credentials as you registered Mar 21 11:57:42 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to zoe1 Mar 21 11:58:32 LibreAdventure is getting glitchy again Mar 21 11:58:33 * iglpdc has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Mar 21 11:58:37 Can't bump into others Mar 21 11:59:19 Same. Mar 21 11:59:33 And it keeps muting and unmuting me, but I‘m unsure if that is on the LibreAdventure side or mine Mar 21 12:00:03 * lp-attendee14531 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-fcbwitrbwazyaypl) has joined Mar 21 12:00:14 I see a lot of empty circles Mar 21 12:00:18 * Muu (599c4776@conference/libreplanet/x-ueszntndvcnjtegy) has joined Mar 21 12:00:24 * Mu5 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:00:36 yeah, i refreshed and still nothing Mar 21 12:00:48 * nmag has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:01:07 * lp-attendee85686 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:01:08 * lp-attendee34880 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-wwolqdqlfewaieaq) has joined Mar 21 12:01:32 * mjw (~mjw_@herd.wildebeest.org) has joined Mar 21 12:01:39 Everyone refreshing is just causing more server load :/ Mar 21 12:01:43 * lp-attendee35441 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-zngpsxcxdbznfzdv) has joined Mar 21 12:01:46 FSF is working on the issue Mar 21 12:02:18 * rnek01 is now known as rnek0 Mar 21 12:02:53 This is my first session of the conference - are there technical difficulties? I'm not able to view any room Mar 21 12:03:10 * amelia_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Mar 21 12:03:14 * fmnt (5d465946@conference/libreplanet/x-dmdwlivqjvdqwiow) has joined Mar 21 12:03:46 we're working on LA issues Mar 21 12:03:50 sup everyone? Mar 21 12:04:17 Hi! Tuning in from Los Angeles, CA 8 am here :) Mar 21 12:04:54 lp-attendee34880: the next set of talks is just getting started so the feeds may not be on yet Mar 21 12:04:56 good morning lp-attendee34880 Mar 21 12:05:02 cetro: I tried to create one with same creds and was rejected: "DB Error: already exists" ; while this was going on I got "verify email" email & replied, got error message "Possible Duplicate Detected Note: this contact may be a duplicate of an existing record. Mar 21 12:05:03 Oops. We encountered a problem in processing your subscription confirmation. Please contact the site administrator." Tried again to reset password & got warning "Reset password limit exceeded. Please contact sysadmin@gnu.org for further assistance." So I guess I will email that address after i finish my brekfast Mar 21 12:05:31 * amelia (~amelia@3.65.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has joined Mar 21 12:05:37 guess i shoulda slow my roll :^P Mar 21 12:05:54 * amelia is now known as Guest27990 Mar 21 12:06:12 levity: Yup... Ignore all that "duplicate" messaging... Attempt to login now... any better? this process is what worked for me yesterday... Mar 21 12:06:24 ggoes: moognu ;) Mar 21 12:06:28 I think that is the name Mar 21 12:06:33 * lp-attendee11093 (5917e07e@conference/libreplanet/x-rrtpojexpgtjqbkn) has joined Mar 21 12:06:37 love it Mar 21 12:06:42 * lp-attendee92375 (46475dbb@conference/libreplanet/x-niyjdyovekjsvudp) has joined Mar 21 12:06:46 levity: Just login with UName/PWord you just created... Mar 21 12:06:49 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to ggoes Mar 21 12:06:58 iko do you mean live feed? I am registered, but I can't tell if I'm 'logged in'. I guess since it's 5 after, a heads up on the delay would be great. Mar 21 12:07:00 * petrisch4 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:07:22 * Guest27990 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 12:07:32 lp-attendee34880: talks are starting, are you still having issues loading the room feeds? Mar 21 12:07:44 * Arthur has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:07:53 * iglpdc (~ivan@c-24-61-43-42.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 12:07:58 iko yes. Should I refresh? Mar 21 12:08:06 * amelia_ (~amelia@unaffiliated/amelia/x-6378434) has joined Mar 21 12:08:14 lp-attendee34880: refresh one more time maybe Mar 21 12:08:17 * lp-attendee34880 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:08:24 * lp-attendee92375 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 12:08:28 * gnullist has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:08:34 cetro: got bounced, "Incorrect username or password." Mar 21 12:08:55 * aindilis` has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 12:09:03 * lp-attendee72257 (46475dbb@conference/libreplanet/x-nzebkiyzrtkjvuyk) has joined Mar 21 12:09:07 * Yay (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-ewuhxiebsotqkyhx) has joined Mar 21 12:09:20 * Yay has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 12:09:41 levity: well, damn... Sorry, that's all I've got... Check with an "ops" for further... suggest tagging "ggoes" Mar 21 12:09:48 * karmar28` (~user@ip5f5bc4aa.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined Mar 21 12:09:53 * lp-attendee11886 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-lfvggfxaauspsskn) has joined Mar 21 12:10:13 cetro: thanks! will do :^) Mar 21 12:10:16 I still can't view these talks. Will they be recorded and available for view later? Mar 21 12:10:22 looking Mar 21 12:10:25 * lp-attendee11886 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 12:10:54 lp-attendee11886: Have you clicked into the video? Sometimes you need to to that Mar 21 12:11:04 * karmar28` is now known as karmar281` Mar 21 12:11:06 * lp-attendee72257 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 12:11:11 * rombaran (bca7634a@conference/libreplanet/x-onesxzpumgeaekmp) has joined Mar 21 12:11:24 * fmnt has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:11:32 lp-attendee25488: yes, they will be posted later on mediagoblin.libreplanet.org Mar 21 12:11:57 * karmar281 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Mar 21 12:11:58 sorry, that was @ lp-attendee11886 Mar 21 12:12:45 * amelia_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Mar 21 12:12:55 iko: you mean media.libreplanet.org Mar 21 12:13:07 levity: I've forwarded your issue to staff to look into Mar 21 12:13:08 * leah has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Mar 21 12:13:08 * walterbender has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:13:16 * Yay-lp-attendee4 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-vjdavcvpfqosafzs) has joined Mar 21 12:13:20 * two-centz (~two-centz@cpe-74-75-90-132.ne.res.rr.com) has joined Mar 21 12:13:42 Not able to access. What a shame. I also lose this thread every time I refresh. Sad day. Mar 21 12:13:46 pert: sorry, yes :) there's a link with "mediagoblin" in the url floating around yesterday, got confused Mar 21 12:13:47 * Muu has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:13:53 iko: Many thanks... I seem to be logged-in now, so something worked ;^) Mar 21 12:13:57 * mach-tb (~mach@c-73-167-45-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 12:14:06 levity: i suggest trying to reset your password to one with only English letters and numbers, and no punctuation. if you get an error about too many password resets, you could create a temporary account here: https://my.fsf.org/civicrm/profile/create?gid=336 Mar 21 12:14:15 oh hehe, it sounds like you got it working : ) Mar 21 12:14:20 thanks sudoman :) Mar 21 12:14:23 * giambr1 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:14:30 levity: great :) Mar 21 12:14:31 * QEDan2 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Mar 21 12:14:32 sudoman: so far, so good! Mar 21 12:14:41 * Muu (a3ac5a6a@conference/libreplanet/x-xissmnjteyoefnyc) has joined Mar 21 12:14:53 * leah (~unoccupie@libreboot/developer/leah) has joined Mar 21 12:15:27 * Yay-lp-attendee4 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 12:15:34 * walterbender (927385d5@conference/libreplanet/x-rclcdzlleiozutsr) has joined Mar 21 12:16:49 * ultidonki (~ultidonki@cpc160539-nott21-2-0-cust235.12-2.cable.virginm.net) has left ("Leaving") Mar 21 12:17:16 * lp-attendee14531 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:17:57 * cte-st-g has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) Mar 21 12:18:04 * lp-attendee83183 (88b9820f@conference/libreplanet/x-auasubscrrhdjetl) has joined Mar 21 12:18:09 * sbates has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 12:18:46 hi everyone coming in, if you'd like to interact with or have Mar 21 12:18:48 questions about a talk, don't forget to join the irc room for the Mar 21 12:18:50 talk! e.g. for the jupiter room, /j #libreplanet_room_jupiter Mar 21 12:18:56 * lp-attendee14490 (4c443204@conference/libreplanet/x-oclvarxbhdvfncsq) has joined Mar 21 12:18:57 * lp-attendee14490 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 12:19:07 * levity has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:19:29 * Avron (5c5ca595@conference/libreplanet/x-qytrrsuyxrgktyap) has joined Mar 21 12:19:31 * lp-attendee21984 (4f5c3e26@conference/libreplanet/x-tkfpmzdgbyklkyjd) has joined Mar 21 12:19:34 * lp-attendee52714 (4c443204@conference/libreplanet/x-yewqyqqvjwicxirq) has joined Mar 21 12:19:36 * levity (322367c7@conference/libreplanet/x-vygjzlrdlcovayaa) has joined Mar 21 12:19:39 * muhammed (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-ewqdohyxfgzersxo) has joined Mar 21 12:20:07 * lp-attendee21984 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 12:20:48 * jpnc (~qumak@2603-8000-ae00-e889-d72c-3caa-7e54-8f29.res6.spectrum.com) has joined Mar 21 12:20:58 * lp-attendee52714 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 12:21:24 * lp-attendee59247 (4c443204@conference/libreplanet/x-sfzsqrvbvjyxjbxo) has joined Mar 21 12:21:31 * lp-attendee59247 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 12:22:32 * amelia_ (~amelia@unaffiliated/amelia/x-6378434) has joined Mar 21 12:22:46 * Delib has quit (Quit: status msg) Mar 21 12:23:07 For anyone who needs, just keep in mind that all operators in ther channels' topics are always looking at chat, please mention all of the operators privately if you do find a safe-space violation issue. 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Mar 21 12:51:30 * lp-attendee97180 (9740c81a@conference/libreplanet/x-jthnazbvnauobyfm) has joined Mar 21 12:51:30 * gnullist has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:51:50 yes Mar 21 12:52:17 Really? I thought it was just per-room channels and the hallway Mar 21 12:52:19 I don't mean the planet rooms btw, I mean for each talk in a room Mar 21 12:52:26 jrootabega: I don't believe so Mar 21 12:52:31 * not_a_robot (~pi@2a01:4b00:8014:d900:a14c:9543:1291:efa8) has left Mar 21 12:52:48 * ricardo has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 12:52:49 I'll suggest it in the survey! Mar 21 12:54:25 * gnudude has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:54:53 * lp-attendee77676 (18631e4d@conference/libreplanet/x-hpbjmvgahzylcuay) has joined Mar 21 12:55:29 * lp-attendee93301 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:55:52 * ppisa (~pi@ip-94-112-11-73.net.upcbroadband.cz) has joined Mar 21 12:55:55 saturn pause screen is showing the talk that just ended as "coming up next" Mar 21 12:56:00 * lp-attendee35677 (325c4b57@conference/libreplanet/x-vdwajrqnfxxuirgs) has joined Mar 21 12:56:08 * nlsmrg (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-gjbugjwnkuymobmm) has joined Mar 21 12:56:21 * MechtiIde has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) Mar 21 12:56:48 * lp-attendee35677 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 12:57:12 * baltakatei (~baltakate@2601:1c2:5200:18e8:786c:fc34:2c3d:e46c) has joined Mar 21 12:57:14 jupiter has the only talk in the next time block Mar 21 12:57:24 three room channels: #libreplanet_room_jupiter, Mar 21 12:57:27 * petrisch has quit (Quit: petrisch) Mar 21 12:57:27 if we ever get free software elevators in buildings, this music needs to be built in as the default music option Mar 21 12:59:22 three rooms for chat about each talk: #libreplanet_room_jupiter, #libreplanet_room_neptune, #libreplanet_room_saturn Mar 21 12:59:27 Is anybody else able to (video) chat in The Hallway by "bumping into" other people? Mar 21 12:59:31 ggoes: yes but Matthias Kirschner's talk still isn't coming up next :) Mar 21 12:59:34 I kinda like this conference experience. video channels for different rooms. A chatroom. It would for sure be nice to have breakout chatrooms for each talk. Even sub breakouts for specific questions within each talk's room Mar 21 12:59:54 technodweeb: Yes, everything seems to be working 4 me. Mar 21 12:59:55 * lp-attendee97180 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 12:59:58 zoop see breakouts above. Mar 21 13:00:19 oooo Mar 21 13:00:29 where can I find this playlist? This music is dope lol Mar 21 13:00:38 +1 Mar 21 13:00:45 from opengameart Mar 21 13:00:56 i'll find the links Mar 21 13:01:11 * jsmith (~jsmith@fedora/jsmith) has joined Mar 21 13:01:32 https://opengameart.org/content/long-away-home-8bit Mar 21 13:01:39 Imagination 2: Thanks. Must be me then. :( Mar 21 13:01:41 technodweeb - it's been flaky to varying degrees all weekend Mar 21 13:01:43 * urnephewspal (~urnephews@c-67-160-84-105.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 13:01:46 for everyone Mar 21 13:02:03 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to neox Mar 21 13:02:04 thank you :) Mar 21 13:02:06 * lp-attendee73137 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-fjhgftjnqnucsyqb) has joined Mar 21 13:02:11 * lp-attendee56683 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:02:24 * lp-attendee85626 (325c4b57@conference/libreplanet/x-fzgejdqmymolojct) has joined Mar 21 13:03:49 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to zleap Mar 21 13:04:29 * lp-attendee79474 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:04:47 * lp-attendee85626 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 13:05:07 * kbtor (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-qrgydufazamnxsyg) has joined Mar 21 13:06:01 * Gimmi has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Mar 21 13:06:18 * ChanServ removes channel operator status from solocshaw Mar 21 13:06:58 * lp-attendee44793 (ae151deb@conference/libreplanet/x-bhywensldkznwzoo) has joined Mar 21 13:07:21 * MechtiIde (~Mechtilde@ip-176-198-53-148.hsi05.unitymediagroup.de) has joined Mar 21 13:08:23 zoe1 Can I test BBB now? Mar 21 13:09:41 * APM (be73ae67@conference/libreplanet/x-kgomtfshufpzbjgz) has joined Mar 21 13:09:51 * levity has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:10:26 stream just stopped for me Mar 21 13:10:31 me too :( Mar 21 13:10:35 * nlsmrg has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:10:36 same Mar 21 13:10:37 Same for me :( Mar 21 13:10:38 me too :/ Mar 21 13:10:40 same Mar 21 13:10:49 * lp-attendee92521 (9a09809b@conference/libreplanet/x-glptybvvghcpjsju) has joined Mar 21 13:11:01 * nlsmrg (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-zszktmszqyifltqr) has joined Mar 21 13:11:03 same, first audio, then video (maybe intentionally to fix the audio?) Mar 21 13:11:06 thank you for filling in alper! Mar 21 13:11:10 lp-attendee44793 maybe try #libreplanet-techsupport Mar 21 13:11:16 * lp-attendee06937 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-lyfekxgdxoijhbcl) has joined Mar 21 13:11:18 ? (not sure...) Mar 21 13:11:26 Nadya fell off the internet... Mar 21 13:11:28 cool no worries Mar 21 13:11:35 tech team is working on it, everyone Mar 21 13:11:37 * APM has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 13:11:57 "cool no worries" was not about nadia falling off the internet ... Mar 21 13:12:10 great talk so far Mar 21 13:12:11 Edge connectivity is always a concern Mar 21 13:12:12 * lp-attendee24197 (322367c7@conference/libreplanet/x-jppuymmppvslqqfb) has joined Mar 21 13:12:25 * lp-attendee06937 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 13:12:26 what's Edge connectivity? Mar 21 13:12:28 * doctorhoo (~hanno@194-18-252-127-no2005.tbcn.telia.com) has joined Mar 21 13:12:28 * APM (be73ae67@conference/libreplanet/x-qkhbjnejeosnpuby) has joined Mar 21 13:12:29 * lp-attendee40940 (6b021e70@conference/libreplanet/x-lqvkfjbuhvfxolae) has joined Mar 21 13:12:33 * lp-attendee81828 (44c7b41f@conference/libreplanet/x-xjhjznsfcmsrivsu) has joined Mar 21 13:12:47 Speaker loosing local (edge) connection Mar 21 13:13:11 oh I see Mar 21 13:13:34 and bad upload speed reduces quality of your HD web cam, and my cheapor web cam gives better results Mar 21 13:13:50 when upload is good Mar 21 13:13:54 haha interesting Mar 21 13:13:59 * APM has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 13:14:03 we can hear Nadia perfectly btw Mar 21 13:14:29 unless the webcam is really important ... the slides seemed to work Mar 21 13:15:00 we hear perfectly Mar 21 13:15:14 and presentation is on the server Mar 21 13:15:18 Jupiter is going wild Mar 21 13:15:22 yeah we can see the popfab briefcase thing Mar 21 13:15:25 we hear you Mar 21 13:15:30 and see the presentation Mar 21 13:15:33 -> #libreplanet_room_jupiter Mar 21 13:15:34 We can ear perfectly Mar 21 13:16:04 ASMR episode :-) Mar 21 13:16:12 * massonpj has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 13:16:18 three rooms for chat about each talk: #libreplanet_room_jupiter, #libreplanet_room_neptune, #libreplanet_room_saturn Mar 21 13:16:34 we are adding these to the general page Mar 21 13:17:42 * Chaekyung (chaekyung@2001:2002:51ed:cee0::) has joined Mar 21 13:17:59 are there recordings of yesterdays talks available anywhere? Mar 21 13:18:20 I'm interested too chaekung; I missed some Mar 21 13:18:23 not yet Mar 21 13:19:12 * joeschmoepenguin has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Mar 21 13:19:41 * joeschmoepenguin (~joeschmoe@2600:1700:4a30:bd40:65b6:d1d9:8d59:fe3) has joined Mar 21 13:19:56 I can't see the talks in the Neptune or Saturn rooms. Mar 21 13:19:57 * lp-attendee44793 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:20:04 Jupiter room seems to be working fine. Mar 21 13:20:10 jsmith: there's only a key talk right now Mar 21 13:20:11 There aren't any talks in the other rooms Mar 21 13:20:18 Check the schedule Mar 21 13:20:24 Oh, maybe I did the time zone math wrong :-( Mar 21 13:20:27 * DocPlatypus (~skquinn@2601:2c2:c77f:d420:78a2:fa76:b467:72f5) has joined Mar 21 13:20:36 jsmith: current conference time is 12:20 Mar 21 13:20:39 Jupiter is the only room with a talk right now. Mar 21 13:20:39 ETC -> UTC = +4 hrs Mar 21 13:20:48 Then go on converting from there Mar 21 13:20:53 next set of talks in the other rooms will be 12:55 Mar 21 13:21:12 Ah, indeed... Mar 21 13:21:14 Thanks! Mar 21 13:21:18 * lp-attendee25488 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:21:47 when will the replays be up? I had personal business to take care of most of yesterday Mar 21 13:23:07 I didn't know it was this weekend until just now :) Mar 21 13:23:35 * pr0PM (~pr0PM@103.157.194.104) has joined Mar 21 13:24:39 DocPlatypus, we'll try to get them uploaded on the 29th Mar 21 13:24:56 excellent Mar 21 13:25:52 amelia_: (moving the meta-discussion here) … FOSDEM's system for online conference did this well; as the talk finished, a new Matrix room was created automatically that it was one-click to join and continue the conversation. Mar 21 13:26:39 * Hironobu has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:26:44 it would be nice to have the complete raw streams available somewhere when the "conference" (online streaming session) ends, putting 1 file for each room up shouldn't take that long. I get that it takes a while to cut them into individual videos Mar 21 13:26:45 * raforg has quit (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) Mar 21 13:26:48 Perhaps if LP does need to be virtual again (although I sure hope the pandemic is not *still* keeping us away next year too), they could use FOSDEM's software, it's all Free Software Mar 21 13:27:36 bkuhn: Sounds like a good system (I sadly missed out on FOSDEM this year) Mar 21 13:27:52 I had to wake up very very early to go to it being on US/pacific TZ Mar 21 13:27:56 * lp-attendee59705 (3e6beedd@conference/libreplanet/x-pvuyqkedtxkmnczs) has joined Mar 21 13:27:56 bkuhn: the common cold will still scare people who watch tv next year, there will not be any return to normal (unless people grab pitch-forks and surround their government officials) Mar 21 13:27:57 Is there a link to the software FOSDEM use(d)? Mar 21 13:28:01 * Avron has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:28:28 Chaekyung: I hope you're joking, this sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Mar 21 13:28:34 Chaekyung: pitch-forks and surrounding politicians won't magically fix viral vectors though Mar 21 13:28:39 If anything, people in the USA are being TOO QUICK to start traveling and such. Mar 21 13:28:46 bkuhn: Agreed Mar 21 13:29:04 I'm honestly not a huge fan of a virtual conference set to a series of days in one TZ. Mar 21 13:29:13 The UK opened up for some "eat out to help out" stuff too quickly, then ended up with a big spike in cases Mar 21 13:29:21 yeah Mar 21 13:29:25 Some conference have replaced their "N day confernece" with a series of once-a-week sessions Mar 21 13:29:27 I think that works better Mar 21 13:29:31 what's TZ bkuhn Mar 21 13:29:37 (Time Zone) Mar 21 13:29:41 oh i see Mar 21 13:29:45 bkuhn: I'm in Sweden, a country where we didn't do lockdowns and don't do facemasks and don't care about the rest of the worlds hysteria. you judge if I'm joking. Yes, I know my perspective is hard to understand for people locked in their basements, full of fear. Mar 21 13:29:54 … as you can move around to accommodate more TZs, and also reprise popular talks in two TZs Mar 21 13:30:04 sometimes fear is the correct reaction Mar 21 13:30:15 people dying in their millions is something to be fearful of Mar 21 13:30:30 * lp-attendee83183 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:30:34 * tpefreedom (~tsomers@184-157-240-110.dyn.centurytel.net) has joined Mar 21 13:30:35 Chaekyung: I have lost two family members to COVID-19. We 500k+ people dead here. That's more than die in many major wars. The danger is real, and I find it offensive to suggest otherwise. Mar 21 13:30:39 * bengrant has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 13:30:52 i feel safe staying home rn ... it's going into crowds that makes me fearful ... Mar 21 13:30:56 * bengrant (~bengrant@157-131-127-133.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net) has joined Mar 21 13:30:56 * pr0PM has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 13:31:05 Hello zleap Mar 21 13:31:09 * raforg (dce93c69@105.60.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined Mar 21 13:31:10 hi Mar 21 13:31:18 Fortunately, the vaccines do seem to work well. Mar 21 13:31:23 i remember you from mumble yesterday Mar 21 13:31:33 yes Mar 21 13:31:40 * lp-attendee66147 (88b9820f@conference/libreplanet/x-ngxwungihwkmsrqs) has joined Mar 21 13:31:43 and from irc on #fsf and #gnu Mar 21 13:31:43 I'm reminded of when we eradicated Polio in the USA thanks to vaccines. It was a terror for families in the USA for deacdes. Mar 21 13:31:48 * elusive (~Jeanne-Ka@static-198-54-134-93.cust.tzulo.com) has joined Mar 21 13:31:50 bkuhn: I've revised my personal projection from "this will last 10 years" to "maybe small groups by christmas" Mar 21 13:32:00 Chaekyung: last summer Sweden's death rate was one of the worst in Europe... when your PM is telling folk to "stop looking for excuses" to avoid the rules, you've got a lot of issue with public selfishness Mar 21 13:32:21 * avron (5c5ca595@conference/libreplanet/x-bphsmfsuyonrzhgo) has joined Mar 21 13:32:35 😆 singpolyma, I think that's probably about right. I would expect the odds of in-person LP in 2022 are like a 15-to-1 favorite. Mar 21 13:32:41 tpefreedom, did you manage to fix some of the issue Mar 21 13:32:51 * raforg has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 13:32:54 zleap: Which issue? Mar 21 13:32:57 An in-person FOSDEM is dicey, I'd set the odds at around 2-to-1 against. Mar 21 13:33:07 i thought you mentioned a UI issue Mar 21 13:33:12 FOSDEM is really big, yeah, too soon next year Mar 21 13:33:15 remember that pandemic skeptics usually only further entrench when presented with statistics that challenge the narrative Mar 21 13:33:18 you were chatting about something else Mar 21 13:33:21 * lp-attendee59647 (ad302f74@conference/libreplanet/x-qdkktsscoeohvebw) has joined Mar 21 13:33:26 That's a problem with mumble (or at least this mumble client) Mar 21 13:33:36 ah ok Mar 21 13:33:37 Chaekyung: I'm sure a more suitable venue could be made if you're willing to discuss this in good faith, but given the tremendous amount of death, pain, suffering, and disability caused to people because of this pandemic, making light of it really isn't cool. Mar 21 13:33:49 hey Mar 21 13:33:50 jess: good point. What bothers me is the denial of personal tragedy, this is why I felt it essential to mention that so many in Free Software have surely faced personal tragedy due to COVID-19. Mar 21 13:33:59 * jess nods Mar 21 13:33:59 … in my acceptance speech. Mar 21 13:34:11 paul here from securepairs Mar 21 13:34:20 hello paul from securepairs Mar 21 13:34:27 * mmaug has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:34:27 i’m the speaker at 1:50 Mar 21 13:34:30 * Emulatorman___ (~andre@gateway/tor-sasl/emulatorman) has joined Mar 21 13:34:33 hi Mar 21 13:34:36 cool Mar 21 13:34:36 looking for some help getting on big blue button Mar 21 13:34:58 lp-attendee59647 which room are you speaking in? Mar 21 13:35:11 * lp-attendee74221 (5203d9e8@conference/libreplanet/x-wiqknleoztfydlmt) has joined Mar 21 13:35:26 * notacat has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:35:32 * lp-attendee74221 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 13:35:48 * notacat (b94186e8@conference/libreplanet/x-rydksxohbdqyjruf) has joined Mar 21 13:36:45 neptune Mar 21 13:38:16 * Emulatorman__ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) Mar 21 13:38:23 BTW, an interesting place where the pandemic intersects with Free Software is that many of the methods around the vaccines are patented and controlled by multinational corporations, even though public money funded so much of the work. In the USA, the deal was that the companies wouldn't profit from the public-funded vaccines until the “pandemic was over” , but it's relatively clear we'll need annual vaccines like for the flu. Mar 21 13:38:41 * lp-attendee66147 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:38:46 seabass_: how's the bot doing? Mar 21 13:38:50 So, I'm definitely concerned about these companies controlling and profiting from public-funded science, cf. Mattias talk about Public Money, public Code Mar 21 13:38:51 lp-attendee59647 I PM'd you, did you get the message Mar 21 13:38:55 * raforg (dce93c69@105.60.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined Mar 21 13:39:18 mattlav1: by username, it probably means lp-attendee59647 is using the web client on the LP website, I bet privmsg is dicey there Mar 21 13:39:22 hey Mar 21 13:39:30 ah I see Mar 21 13:39:55 bkuhn, definitely agree. and trade secrets / secret information are also a big part of the issue as well Mar 21 13:39:59 lp-attendee59647 go here 60-30 minutes before your talk! https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/rub-96g-cy3 Mar 21 13:40:15 bkuhn: it's also going to be a big problem getting poorer countries vaccinated Mar 21 13:40:38 I fear we're going to follow a "they're all dying of malaria and cholera anyway, what's one more" strategy with the places I grew up Mar 21 13:40:41 * lambda4 (2f2152b6@conference/libreplanet/x-nscupxbagesoqzqo) has joined Mar 21 13:40:43 it goes back to the issue of profit and medicine don't mix Mar 21 13:40:58 covax dealing with international rollout in poorer countries i think Mar 21 13:41:01 I once read about a scientiest developing a peptid vaccine and publishing a paper Mar 21 13:41:07 singpolyma: indeed, I struggled personally with whether or not to get my own vaccine because I am privileged to receive it, but most ethicists are indicating that individuals should accept the vaccine even though they acknowledge the unjustice of favoritism to folks in wealthier countries Mar 21 13:41:16 * Pirra (bd81adea@conference/libreplanet/x-ydkfszwblrpbqjzg) has joined Mar 21 13:41:46 for sure. endangering people here doesn't help anyone else either, really Mar 21 13:41:48 For those from Germany, 3Sat Nano Mar 21 13:41:50 Ironically, literally while my acceptance speech was being played, I got a message that I am permitted to register for the vaccine in my state. Mar 21 13:41:53 I get that the R&D has to be paid for but it's very questionable from an ethical standpoint for others to profit from illness Mar 21 13:42:19 DocPlatypus: agreed! Mar 21 13:42:22 bkuhn: I get that those in higher risk positions should get vaccinated first Mar 21 13:42:31 there's only so much supply especially in the beginning Mar 21 13:42:49 there would be more supply without the patent constraints Mar 21 13:42:56 singpolyma: good point Mar 21 13:42:58 since generics makers have factories that could retool quick if allowed Mar 21 13:43:04 DocPlatypus: here in the USA, it's a mess in roll out because each state/commonwealth is managing the roll out so depending on your area, different people are qualifying at different times Mar 21 13:43:06 public money, public code... is RNA not code? Mar 21 13:43:11 * lp-attendee34557 (1fdf08d2@conference/libreplanet/x-dbasbduhhnxaonon) has joined Mar 21 13:43:23 the vaccine is free for individuals Mar 21 13:43:25 bkuhn: you think it's a mess in USA, you should come here ;) Mar 21 13:43:27 * joeschmoepenguin has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Mar 21 13:43:31 bkuhn: I'm in Texas. I would guess Massachusetts has its act together more than Texas Mar 21 13:43:35 * lp-attendee34557 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 13:43:41 * lp-attendee26818 (88b9820f@conference/libreplanet/x-ryujzrmkkdlamlgp) has joined Mar 21 13:43:43 Some states opened to all citizens this week. Mar 21 13:43:55 * joeschmoepenguin (~joeschmoe@2600:1700:4a30:bd40:65b6:d1d9:8d59:fe3) has joined Mar 21 13:43:58 Why are the fsf and gnu project promoting mozilla's programs in the 'working together for free software campaign' but elsewhere the fsf, gnu project, and many community members say that their programs are either effectively nonfree, or that exercising freedom 3 is too complicated? Mar 21 13:44:05 In my state, because of my age/medical-status, I just qualified; it's not for all citizens yet here. Mar 21 13:44:06 * lp-attendee37018 (b33e3a2a@conference/libreplanet/x-jrqkkduuiiwvvfkj) has joined Mar 21 13:44:07 * pr0PM (~pr0PM@103.157.194.104) has joined Mar 21 13:44:08 We don't expect to open to all citizens here until at least the end of June Mar 21 13:44:16 (Well, I qualified for the group that starts March 29th) Mar 21 13:44:43 as much pride as we have in our state here, it's the truth that our current leadership doesn't have its head screwed on straight Mar 21 13:44:44 * mach-tb has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Mar 21 13:44:50 Instead of $200 book, printer for $200 and free textbook! Mar 21 13:44:53 i expect i will not qualify until june Mar 21 13:45:00 But, I'm older than most people in Free Software now … I do remember when I was the young newbie. 😆 Mar 21 13:45:39 bkuhn: the "open sores" movement has really thrown a monkey wrench into people recognizing the value of freedom in and of itself Mar 21 13:45:56 * Burcadus (~jero@modemcable031.15-81-70.mc.videotron.ca) has joined Mar 21 13:46:05 I knew it was dubious the moment I heard it introduced as a "marketing campaign" for free software Mar 21 13:46:14 * APM (c871c4d1@conference/libreplanet/x-fukfalwekuxunupz) has joined Mar 21 13:46:17 'Open source' is irrelevant simply on the basis that open source software is a superset of free software Mar 21 13:46:18 at the time I was highly critical of marketing and PR Mar 21 13:46:40 now, I am looking at finally getting into marketing/PR for real this time Mar 21 13:46:41 @bkun I remember too and hope I never lose the enthusiasm. I haven't used proprietary software since Vista came out. Mar 21 13:46:52 tpefreedom: superset? Pretty sure the venn diagram of open source software and free software is a circle Mar 21 13:47:09 DocPlatypus: I am left wondering if our strategy was right on this. the “Open Source” approach allowed companies to coopt Free Software projects well over the last 20 years … Mar 21 13:47:10 I quit using Microsoft Windows after version 98.1 Mar 21 13:47:16 "Prohibited technologies" -- words from non-free past, not liberty west. Mar 21 13:47:19 * Digit has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Mar 21 13:47:28 too many crashes and lockups for things that Debian, OpenBSD, FreeBSD all handled with ease Mar 21 13:47:33 … I think, in retrospect, perhaps we in the software freedom movement should have tried to control the term ourselves. Mar 21 13:47:33 * Zetagon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 13:47:42 We were more powerful then than the Open Source proponents were. Mar 21 13:47:43 * Met85 (5f5af03f@ip5f5af03f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined Mar 21 13:47:56 @DocPlatypus I don't market myself well. Just getting interested in these things too. Mar 21 13:48:05 now, we're less powerful and have trouble getting our message around the “it's just about better code” rhetoric. Mar 21 13:48:14 Woops joining in a bit late today! Mar 21 13:48:17 What did I miss? Mar 21 13:48:32 But, this is hindsight, there was no way to know in 1999 which path was right, but I think we took the wrong one there. Mar 21 13:48:32 shot ourselves in the foot talking "free software" with its builtin ambiguity Mar 21 13:48:37 our ancestors ran away from regulation in monarchies of Europe Mar 21 13:48:39 when you have to explain the joke it fails Mar 21 13:48:49 people are highly skeptical of marketing and PR people and for good reason. a few bad apples really have cast doubt upon the whole bunch Mar 21 13:48:50 lp-attendee24197: One thing I *did* do in 2001 was start saying “software freedom” consistently. Mar 21 13:48:54 it's all english's fault Mar 21 13:49:00 lp-attendee12588: yeah. I always say freedomware now Mar 21 13:49:03 free people naturally do good things Mar 21 13:49:37 singplyma: Most, if not all, free software is also open source but not and there is a lot of stuff that is 'open source' but does not count as free/libre because of how it restricts user's freedoms. Mar 21 13:49:52 Mikalai8: my ancestors were not fleeing 'regulation' but famine and murder Mar 21 13:49:55 Campaign team: Why are the fsf and gnu project promoting mozilla's programs in the 'working together for free software campaign' but elsewhere the fsf, gnu project, and many community members say that their programs are either effectively nonfree, or that exercising freedom 3 is too complicated? Mar 21 13:50:09 tpefreedom: that doesn't compute. if it complies with OSD it can't restrict freedoms Mar 21 13:50:10 * vagrantc (~vagrant@unaffiliated/vagrantc) has joined Mar 21 13:50:17 @singpolyma that works. :D I'm going to start saying that too. I live near a university and am mistaken for a scammer. Mar 21 13:50:30 * codysseus (~user@osuosl/staff/codysseus) has joined Mar 21 13:50:35 originally US ignored UK patents Mar 21 13:51:02 IMO, the problem with all the definitions (FSD, OSD, DFSG-free), is that they are game-able by lobbying efforts. No definition/standard like that is immune from that process. Mar 21 13:51:05 noordinaryspider: I can't take credit, was someone on lp-discuss mailing list that I saw say it first. But I like it Mar 21 13:51:20 sigh and she should not be saying "IP" either Mar 21 13:51:43 * lp-attendee14582 (5bc4dc85@conference/libreplanet/x-dohkblglssmuitxu) has joined Mar 21 13:51:53 * Digit (~user@fsf/member/digit) has joined Mar 21 13:51:54 singpolyma: some licenses are still too restrictive in terms of the freedoms involved in distrobution. (See the aladdin license.) Mar 21 13:51:57 Well, IP law is broken too Mar 21 13:52:04 bkuhn: agreed, DFSG-free is a pretty big monkey wrench as it makes a lot of GNU documentation non-free Mar 21 13:52:06 We see this with OSD, where whoever gets elected to the OSI Board suddenly has the power to reinterpret the OSD. VanL's license that was recently approved shows this — I'm *pretty sure* it's non-FaiF, but not that sure, and the idea that the OSI endorsed it without waiting to see how it works in real-world scenarios means huge ambiguity has been introduced. Mar 21 13:52:09 because of the invariant sections Mar 21 13:52:42 * lp-attendee14582 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 13:52:43 tpefreedom: we wrote those pages in 2010, so i hesitate to call that active promotion. but i agree it should be removed, just a time / resources thing Mar 21 13:52:51 DocPlatypus: frankly, and I realize I'll annoy some people here with this, but as I said in my acceptance speech, I speak truth to power: speaking as someone who helped *draft* the GFDL, I now think Invariant Sections are, in fact, non-FaiF. Mar 21 13:53:13 codysseus: the actual *term* "intellectual property" is what's broken. Mar 21 13:53:24 * Tawny has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Mar 21 13:53:27 Or, at the very least, create the same practical problems that the 4-Clause BSD license did. Mar 21 13:53:39 ty Nadya Mar 21 13:53:48 Thank you Nadya! Mar 21 13:53:49 invariant sections is basiacally creative-commons style ND AAUI Mar 21 13:53:53 * baltakatei has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 13:53:59 ... can type. as I understand * Mar 21 13:54:01 * piekarski has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 13:54:02 Are you taking issue with overloading the aconym IP? Mar 21 13:54:09 * zoop has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:54:09 acronym* Mar 21 13:54:14 * lp-attendee24197 claps for talk Mar 21 13:54:27 THE MEMBER MEETING is happening now! https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/and-xwy-9d7 join now, the PW is on the member forum Mar 21 13:54:27 * bengrant has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 13:54:45 * bengrant (~bengrant@157-131-127-133.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net) has joined Mar 21 13:54:55 * lp-attendee14637 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:54:58 ggoes: yeah, I think the community's consensus is that wihile in theory you are free to exercise freedom 3 in any way you want, in practice it is a pain in the butt. Mar 21 13:55:00 zoe1: is there a quick way to get the password using one's my.fsf.org account? Mar 21 13:55:10 * joeschmoepenguin has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Mar 21 13:55:10 tpefreedom: to be clear, though the problem is with the programs / languages actually called "firefox" and "rust", not mozilla-based programs in general; after all, icecat is one Mar 21 13:55:22 * Tawny (~Tawny@mob-109-113-191-46.net.vodafone.it) has joined Mar 21 13:55:24 bkuhn: they are open to abuse, you can make the whole document an invariant section. that's not what they were intended for Mar 21 13:55:31 * Pirra has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:55:40 * lp-attendee49752 (1f10d31b@conference/libreplanet/x-uugnjlpwjtsnyrlb) has joined Mar 21 13:55:45 * mach-tb (~mach@c-73-167-45-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 13:55:52 they were intended to preserve things like the GNU Manifesto where included Mar 21 13:56:02 * joeschmoepenguin (~joeschmoe@2600:1700:4a30:bd40:65b6:d1d9:8d59:fe3) has joined Mar 21 13:56:08 * lp-attendee97662 (92a86167@conference/libreplanet/x-guohhwucpgyxzvrt) has joined Mar 21 13:56:12 * bkuhn desperately tries to figure out how to find the access code for the member mtg. Mar 21 13:56:20 I don't know what zoe means by the member forum Mar 21 13:56:29 ok. looking again at freedom 3 and the Mozilla thing Mar 21 13:56:43 * bengrant has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 13:56:44 member forum: https://forum.members.fsf.org/ Mar 21 13:56:50 * lp-attendee93985 (50dc4ee3@conference/libreplanet/x-tjacfueubctcxmyr) has joined Mar 21 13:56:54 bkuhn: ^ Mar 21 13:56:54 noemu: THANK YOU! Mar 21 13:57:00 I get that Mozilla has a trademark and they need to protect it. I am guessing this is what this is about Mar 21 13:57:01 bkuhn, the member forum located at https://forum.members.fsf.org Mar 21 13:57:02 ggoes: yeah, but it applies to anything under mozilla's trademark policy, so I'm guessing just about every program mozilla has developed when in it's original form (ie not forked). Mar 21 13:57:03 * [[ (5284daf1@conference/libreplanet/x-ohsahtwbnisbgnub) has joined Mar 21 13:57:08 * lp-attendee37018 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:57:15 * bengrant (~bengrant@157-131-127-133.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net) has joined Mar 21 13:57:17 bkuhn: https://my.fsf.org/user/password Mar 21 13:57:24 NOW HAPPENING: Making it Ours workshop by Alice Aguilar from progressive technology, join now: https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/and-dwv-jtg Mar 21 13:57:26 but if there's a way to distribute Chromium as a "white label" Google Chrome it can't be much harder Mar 21 13:57:34 tpefreedom: we will look into the issue more, but that's all i want to say about it right now just to avoid inaccuracies Mar 21 13:57:34 * not_a_robot (~pi@2a01:4b00:8014:d900:a14c:9543:1291:efa8) has joined Mar 21 13:57:51 * lp-attendee78205 (488d4892@conference/libreplanet/x-gxxnrvogdjjmyepv) has joined Mar 21 13:57:51 hi Mar 21 13:58:13 * lp-attendee26818 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:58:22 is Nadya in IRC? i had a question about 3d printing Mar 21 13:58:36 What's the channel for saturn again? Mar 21 13:58:41 * notacat has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 13:58:41 https://live.fsf.org/stream-room-saturn.webm?t=1616345884855 Mar 21 13:58:51 Oh I meant IRC lol Mar 21 13:59:03 #libreplanet_room_saturn Mar 21 13:59:05 i think Mar 21 13:59:06 * lp-attendee89994 (88b9820f@conference/libreplanet/x-bvzsgzpttohelnat) has joined Mar 21 13:59:10 #libreplanet_room_saturn yup, i think too Mar 21 13:59:11 cool Mar 21 13:59:17 I had a more general question. Does Lulzbot need to re-certify each new model? the ones on ryf.fsf.org aren't being made anymore it would appear Mar 21 13:59:41 <[[> Has the Mar 21 13:59:47 <[[> Has the FS Mar 21 13:59:47 alexl: I have some experience with 3D printing, so if it's not too specific I might be able to answer it Mar 21 14:00:31 If anyone wants to join the MAKING IT OURS workshop by Alice Aguilar from progressive technology, you can join now: https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/and-dwv-jtg Mar 21 14:00:42 <[[> Has the FSF member meeting started? Mar 21 14:00:48 yes Mar 21 14:00:53 AliciaC: i was going to ask if she has tried using sonic manipulation to control the print head for a fabricator Mar 21 14:00:55 yes, just started Mar 21 14:00:56 or, i assume so Mar 21 14:00:58 we're not in it Mar 21 14:01:01 * bkuhn focuses on #fsf-members now, join you all here again after that mtg ends. Mar 21 14:01:04 * lp-attendee59705 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:01:07 * two-centz has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 14:01:33 * [[ has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 14:02:02 * APM has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:02:04 workshop attendees: if you get any neat screenshots please email to danam@fsf.org :) thank you! Mar 21 14:02:19 alexl: ah. I would imagine sonic manipulation would require it to be much lighter than printheads can be, but I've never worked with sonic manipulation Mar 21 14:02:30 * muhammed has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:02:43 MEMBER MEETING: you can join #fsf-members for the member meeting and use https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/and-xwy-9d7 with the password that was sent in the email Mar 21 14:03:02 * lp-attendee93985 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:03:05 or that's posted to the forum Mar 21 14:03:20 wb Noisytoot Mar 21 14:03:26 Hello zleap Mar 21 14:03:35 hi Noisytoot Mar 21 14:04:09 * ashutosh (~ashutosh@60.243.255.175) has joined Mar 21 14:04:11 I'm going to join the FSF member meeting Mar 21 14:04:22 AliciaC: i was thinking the same but i also thought that if you could use a very powerful setup then you might be able to move the print head in interesting ways Mar 21 14:04:26 it has started Mar 21 14:04:52 * lp-attendee26705 (1fdf08d2@conference/libreplanet/x-naryxqsqduivxcmd) has joined Mar 21 14:05:04 Are you an FSF member? Mar 21 14:05:23 me no Mar 21 14:05:34 but they just announced it had started Mar 21 14:05:37 Noisytoot, me yes Mar 21 14:05:42 alexl: ah :) if you find out I'd be happy to hear about it Mar 21 14:06:10 I missed Nadya Peek presentation, is it already available as a non-streamed video? Mar 21 14:06:14 * cnngimenez_ is now known as cnngimenez Mar 21 14:06:33 alexl: Try http://infosyncratic.nl/contact/ Mar 21 14:06:39 * seek has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) Mar 21 14:06:45 * lp-attendee22112 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:06:48 * n8fr8 (~n8fr8too@209.6.139.66) has joined Mar 21 14:07:20 There's also https://twitter.com/nadyapeek if you use Twitter Mar 21 14:07:26 * lp-attendee67933 (5917e07e@conference/libreplanet/x-vkfagyldjfgfugxz) has joined Mar 21 14:07:30 * pryme-svg (~pryme-svg@unaffiliated/pryme-svg) has joined Mar 21 14:07:30 * lp-attendee24197 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:07:42 ohh thanks Mar 21 14:07:43 Thanks Mar 21 14:07:54 ggoes: Why should craigt, sudoman, and zoe1 leave #fsf-members before 12:55? Mar 21 14:08:10 fsf staff is not present for any aspect of the member meeting Mar 21 14:08:28 Burcadus, Videos should be available in a week. Mar 21 14:08:38 Burcadus: videos will be released within the week, check back on the fsf and libreplanet sites and you'll be able to watch everything! Mar 21 14:08:56 amelia_: thanks! Mar 21 14:09:55 * lp-attendee66486 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:10:04 * lp-attendee38249 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:10:05 * lp-attendee09668 (5bc4dc85@conference/libreplanet/x-hvvsdqroerejfbwv) has joined Mar 21 14:10:25 * RobertLRead has quit (Quit: Connection closed) Mar 21 14:10:26 * lp-attendee78790 (322367c7@conference/libreplanet/x-knlpdddhwksblowe) has joined Mar 21 14:11:47 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 14:11:53 They're going to be aiming for the 29th of March. Mar 21 14:11:55 * APM (c871c4e7@conference/libreplanet/x-rarfjkcosxozfsgf) has joined Mar 21 14:12:08 * lp-attendee09668 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 14:12:41 * lp-attendee85583 (50dcc3f5@conference/libreplanet/x-ozxdfbcqqpecodfq) has joined Mar 21 14:12:50 * lp-attendee85583 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 14:12:53 * APM has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 14:13:09 danam: One assumes https://media.libreplanet.org/ would be one of the best places to keep an eye on? Mar 21 14:13:24 indeed it would! also our peertube page. Mar 21 14:13:28 * giambr1 (3e0bb31c@conference/libreplanet/x-dfxjizbyqfafihxf) has joined Mar 21 14:13:32 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 14:13:44 https://framatube.org/accounts/fsf/video-channels Mar 21 14:13:47 * lp-attendee78205 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:15:33 * ritanagel (~ritanagel@c-107-2-30-112.hsd1.az.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 14:15:43 * _Felipe (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-ufodepbvuecenbjm) has joined Mar 21 14:17:53 * Gimmi (~giammife@dynamic-adsl-78-13-170-54.clienti.tiscali.it) has joined Mar 21 14:20:38 * lp-attendee69541 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-kgalnmuperqjvvle) has joined Mar 21 14:21:54 * lp-attendee25527 (5449dc08@conference/libreplanet/x-rywemstqjmaghlkw) has joined Mar 21 14:22:04 * davisr_ (~davisr@cpe-70-92-166-130.wi.res.rr.com) has joined Mar 21 14:22:31 * lp-attendee49752 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:23:03 * lp-attendee26705 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:23:39 * Flyer3 (43d83c56@conference/libreplanet/x-hcdpyznanqbntlew) has joined Mar 21 14:24:38 * davisr has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Mar 21 14:25:38 Noisytoot: as staff we don't get to be in the member meeting it is memmbers private. The report will be shared with us later Mar 21 14:25:50 * ashutosh_ (~ashutosh@116.75.122.44) has joined Mar 21 14:25:59 * two-centz (~two-centz@cpe-74-75-90-132.ne.res.rr.com) has joined Mar 21 14:26:48 zoe1: does it apply to Channel Monitors also? Mar 21 14:26:57 mattlav1, sudoman: ^ Mar 21 14:27:36 adfeno, would be sad :/ Mar 21 14:27:38 adfeno the member meeting is for members, and not for staff Mar 21 14:27:53 I am staff, you are not Mar 21 14:28:02 you are a member (maybe?), I am not Mar 21 14:28:23 * APM (a1008ace@conference/libreplanet/x-narqwhvsdwtkscgk) has joined Mar 21 14:28:23 OK, I'm not member, but in e-mail was asked to monitor #fsf-members. Mar 21 14:28:28 * ashutosh has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) Mar 21 14:28:30 * ashutosh_ is now known as ashutosh Mar 21 14:29:13 what if you're both staff and a member? or are they mutually exclusive? (just curious, I'm neither) Mar 21 14:29:16 * lp-attendee63455 (0289d00e@conference/libreplanet/x-wswbuqipaafrahts) has joined Mar 21 14:29:28 ok,then leave adfeno, you can join and monitor further later Mar 21 14:29:29 is it like how management can't unionise Mar 21 14:29:52 OK, zoe1, I just left. Mar 21 14:29:54 right now there are 3 people in there that are monitors Mar 21 14:29:57 thanks adfeno Mar 21 14:30:10 aliciaC such a person would *not* attend the member meeting Mar 21 14:30:11 Sorry for interrupting. Mar 21 14:30:27 it's generally just so our presence doesn't potentially keep someone from saying harsh feedback we need to read Mar 21 14:30:29 mattlav1: thanks :) Mar 21 14:30:33 * giambr1 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:30:35 * Rita (6b021e70@conference/libreplanet/x-okyitgvxetacvrbr) has joined Mar 21 14:30:35 staff/member aren't mutually exclusive; i'm still a member Mar 21 14:31:22 * nlsmrg has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:32:01 * hwpplayer1 has quit (Quit: I'll be back) Mar 21 14:32:04 * avron has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:32:31 zleap is also in there, and not a member Mar 21 14:32:32 I have a little tidbit regarding Nadya Peek's excellent talk about fabrication. I work with CNC fabrication machines running Windows 95. Yes, really. https://yoona.everdot.org/i/wintendo95/IMG_20210310_083415.jpg https://yoona.everdot.org/i/wintendo95/IMG_20210310_083433.jpg It's not uncommon because people don't just swap huge machines out every 2 years Mar 21 14:32:59 i was asked to be moderator in there Mar 21 14:33:25 neptune has a nice talk starting Mar 21 14:33:29 i am monitoring the main conferenee Mar 21 14:33:30 on right to repair Mar 21 14:33:37 * Flyer3 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:33:47 * jxj has quit (Quit: Connection closed) Mar 21 14:34:31 >Paul Roberts, not Louis Rossman Mar 21 14:34:34 * Chaekyung confuses Mar 21 14:34:46 * lp-attendee92521 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:34:57 * jxj (5bb4f3be@91.180.243.190) has joined Mar 21 14:35:31 I guess I'll give Mr. Roberts a chance, can't really hold not being Rossman against him Mar 21 14:36:03 * JakeT23 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:36:31 well louis rossman isnt the only person doing right to repair stuff Mar 21 14:36:36 but hes great Mar 21 14:37:04 * jalfredprufrock (~Jimmy@59.93.94.192) has joined Mar 21 14:37:05 * davisr_ is now known as davisr Mar 21 14:38:00 * lp-attendee02591 (babdef73@conference/libreplanet/x-uwbvtgriklcfrocb) has joined Mar 21 14:38:22 * Rita has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:38:30 * lp-attendee40940 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:38:46 * Delib_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 14:39:47 libreplanet.org footer says "Except where otherwise noted, this site and its images, logos and and other media are licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0. Copyright © 2014-2021 Free Software Foundation." Mar 21 14:40:03 * Magic_Banana (bad5554b@conference/libreplanet/x-memfmdqwpudgkghe) has joined Mar 21 14:40:08 I see nothing about the video streams not being.. CC-BY-SA. Am I right in assuming they are? 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Mar 21 14:49:30 lp-attendee2591, all taks are being recorded and will be published next week Mar 21 14:49:35 *talks Mar 21 14:50:02 what talks are you all going to next? Mar 21 14:50:30 but i'm wrong. to clarify the talks are licensed separately, but under a free license; speakers chose from a range of them Mar 21 14:50:40 lp-attendee02591, all talks are being recorded and will be published next week Mar 21 14:50:41 when we post the video, the license will be prominent Mar 21 14:51:15 does anyone have contact info for the lawyer who's on screen rn? Mar 21 14:51:26 joeschmoepenguin: maybe saturn, but I'm already getting everything done with free software, so maybe not Mar 21 14:51:27 I'm not waiting that long, I'll probably start dumping'em an hour from now Mar 21 14:51:37 * Delib has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 14:51:42 which is why I'm asking about that license information Mar 21 14:51:50 * cte-st-g (cte-st-g@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/cte-st-g) has joined Mar 21 14:52:01 Chaekyung: we can look up the license for that talk Mar 21 14:52:06 which is it? Mar 21 14:52:13 * lp-attendee03919 (5e84a7b0@conference/libreplanet/x-agdypjiuelpmnfug) has joined Mar 21 14:52:46 * lp-attendee77676 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:52:55 * Magic_Banana has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:53:04 * swolber (47d3fd08@conference/libreplanet/x-ldnjtzwnjvgxmznm) has joined Mar 21 14:53:04 all since I started dumping the streams for all the rooms when I became aware of the conference earlier today Mar 21 14:53:18 * lp-attendee19633 (18631e4d@conference/libreplanet/x-iqlxbvufgjtvpndc) has joined Mar 21 14:53:18 I think that's about 11:50 conference time Mar 21 14:53:28 * MistahDarcy (~MistahDar@fsf/member/MistahDarcy) has joined Mar 21 14:53:31 * ritanagel (~ritanagel@c-107-2-30-112.hsd1.az.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 14:53:36 * lp-attendee69541 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:53:59 * lp-attendee28455 (ac62420d@conference/libreplanet/x-frpgolouwhrlxvpq) has joined Mar 21 14:54:02 * lp-attendee36475 (515a3de1@conference/libreplanet/x-lcadmbfrjfkrrqgy) has joined Mar 21 14:54:12 * lp-attendee28455 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 14:54:52 Chaekyung: also: idolizing just 1 person damages you and that person. louis rossman is a fine man, and a hero but the our right to repair movement is much bigger than him Mar 21 14:55:06 true Mar 21 14:55:10 * lp-attendee15541 (ac62420d@conference/libreplanet/x-jxhxixtfglsdgitt) has joined Mar 21 14:55:20 * lp-attendee65226 (521431ec@conference/libreplanet/x-iigfkyntcntwtuaw) has joined Mar 21 14:55:20 * noptys[m] (noptysmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gawuiwvvcgwhvquw) has joined Mar 21 14:55:23 * lp-attendee78790 is now known as haggardrevenant Mar 21 14:55:40 joeschmoepenguin: deciding between jupiter and saturn, might find some gems in the day-to-day computing talk, but decision-making is also relevant when collaborating with people Mar 21 14:55:56 im sitting in saturn for now Mar 21 14:56:04 * danisanti (~daniel@unaffiliated/danisanti) has joined Mar 21 14:56:13 Jupiter ! Mar 21 14:56:18 iko: just put one in each ear and work your brain double-time! Mar 21 14:56:37 Neptune is also sounding good tho Mar 21 14:56:43 If only I had three ears singpolyma Mar 21 14:56:45 singpolyma: haha, I'd need a third ear for mumble Mar 21 14:56:53 hah snap iko Mar 21 14:57:06 Chaekyung: we're checking, hold on Mar 21 14:57:17 hi. which is the music genre in between conferences? Mar 21 14:57:23 * zleap removes channel operator status from zleap Mar 21 14:57:47 * lp-attendee39397 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:58:09 danisanti: 8-bit? Mar 21 14:58:19 danisanti: chiptune, I guess. Mar 21 14:58:33 hello Mar 21 14:58:34 but in the US it's called frytune Mar 21 14:58:46 * ChanServ removes channel operator status from neox Mar 21 14:58:46 frytune? lol Mar 21 14:58:49 I decided to go with Saturn and save Neptune for later. She's probably the smartest zoomer I've seen in years Mar 21 14:58:59 hi ritanagel Mar 21 14:59:30 I am a fsf member, but I can not chat tin the fsf-members room,,,help Mar 21 14:59:31 * xbx has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 14:59:54 ritanagel: is this BBB or irc? Mar 21 15:00:14 * lp-attendee59883 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-clqdusgqngfggsem) has joined Mar 21 15:00:47 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to senux Mar 21 15:01:58 * haggardrevenant has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:02:07 * Indignation2 is now known as Hyp3rspace Mar 21 15:02:12 test Mar 21 15:02:22 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to senux Mar 21 15:02:27 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to senux Mar 21 15:02:35 Hyp3rspace: test successful? Mar 21 15:02:37 * pareidolia6 (322367c7@conference/libreplanet/x-esagjsvjstoktkwl) has joined Mar 21 15:02:38 Is there a list of mastodon usernames for presenters? Basically nobody has them in their bio but not sure if it's because they don't have one or because they just haven't listed it. Mar 21 15:02:40 * byjoe (2d168ab7@45-22-138-183.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net) has joined Mar 21 15:02:51 * Met85 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) Mar 21 15:02:56 A few twitter but would prefer not to ... Mar 21 15:03:02 ritanagel: i'm sorry to hear that : / unfortunately, the fsf-members meeting is over, but there may still be some people in that room if you manage to connect Mar 21 15:03:03 iko, adfeno: thank you Mar 21 15:03:25 * EricMaGo (4de63e2f@conference/libreplanet/x-paaxnohrivjbswzh) has joined Mar 21 15:03:41 danisanti: You're welcome ;) Mar 21 15:04:16 * sepulved (~sepulved@84.126.245.94.dyn.user.ono.com) has joined Mar 21 15:05:10 adfeno: boa :) Mar 21 15:05:21 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bloodrose Mar 21 15:06:05 iko: Thanks Mar 21 15:06:22 :) Mar 21 15:06:42 * sepulved has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 15:06:50 danisanti: pt-BR? Mar 21 15:07:30 * lp-attendee58453 (1f04e33a@conference/libreplanet/x-bveqkgnwonzvnoot) has joined Mar 21 15:08:18 * lp-attendee36475 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:09:05 Chaekyung: the licenses for today's talks from the time you started capturing the stream were all cc-by-sa 4.0 except kathryn sutter's (13:50 jupiter; cc-by 4.0); alice monsen's (in saturn now; cc-by 4.0); maria leandro's (15:40 neptune, gfdl 1.3); rms (15:40 jupiter, cc-by-nd 4.0) Mar 21 15:09:25 * oscar has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) Mar 21 15:09:58 Nice ggoes. Thank you so much Mar 21 15:10:02 no problem Mar 21 15:10:03 tilduke: Perhaps that's a suggestion for next year: presenters include social media info in their bios? -- often a simple search of the presenter name will bring up their personal websites / social media though :) Mar 21 15:11:07 So far Alice Monsen's talk has been really great. It's something that could get zoomers like my nephews and nieces into free software Mar 21 15:11:22 * legind (~user@206.214.236.65) has joined Mar 21 15:11:41 I think contact info in the bio would be great. I had put my contact information in the last slide, but I forgot to show the last slide. :x Mar 21 15:11:56 * lp-attendee02591 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:12:18 If they can have peers see that they can do all the things they want to and more with free software, then it's fantastic -- educating them on the philosophy and ramifications of free software is another matter, though :P Mar 21 15:12:22 tilduke: I've asked zoe1 to see if there's a list Mar 21 15:12:25 * lp-attendee25053 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:12:59 Thanks! No rush but some wonderful knowledgable people have been speaking so would love to "subscribe to their newsletter" =P Mar 21 15:13:12 * lp-attendee58453 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:13:42 * avron (5c5ca595@conference/libreplanet/x-xsdrukxiwjhudqvv) has joined Mar 21 15:13:54 * tech_exorcist has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 15:14:17 * tech_exorcist (txrcst@gateway/shell/hashbang/x-xorvszgkhifatcoq) has joined Mar 21 15:14:32 It might be possible for organisers to email/contact presenters to ask for social media / personal site links? -- they could potentially be added when the videos are posted in a couple of weeks... /cc zoe1 Mar 21 15:15:02 * n8fr8_ (~n8fr8too@209.6.139.66) has joined Mar 21 15:16:32 * joeschmoepenguin has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 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Mar 21 15:24:44 * muhammed has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:25:05 * lp-attendee98103 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-fbdgwuwqwfzkbrtc) has joined Mar 21 15:25:26 * kenna (6bdcb336@107-220-179-54.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined Mar 21 15:26:17 * xbx (557f5220@conference/libreplanet/x-zpnvjlnfsnptgkwz) has joined Mar 21 15:26:38 minetest sounds fun, but the oldest version on arch gnu/linux package archive is 5.0 :( Mar 21 15:26:44 https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/m/minetest/ Mar 21 15:27:01 dragestil: there's apparently an older package in AUR Mar 21 15:27:03 I heard there was a minetest4 package in AUR Mar 21 15:27:15 thanks for the hint Mar 21 15:28:24 * lp-attendee27139 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:28:37 * lp-attendee59883 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:29:05 * lp-attendee56974 (25744e66@conference/libreplanet/x-uxmfovisuhcdcnhz) has joined Mar 21 15:29:57 * IrishUSA (~trisquel@2601:146:4280:8be0:a107:4606:24d4:f08c) has joined Mar 21 15:30:12 pareidolia6: you might be better asking in #debian on irc.oftc.net for that -- this is LibrePlanet, not Debian :) Mar 21 15:30:47 minetest, libre adventure, talks, surprised this computer is still resposive Mar 21 15:31:01 thought talks are 1fps right now Mar 21 15:31:21 * rollom has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Mar 21 15:31:35 * asop (18052986@c-24-5-41-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 15:31:42 * caravan has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Mar 21 15:31:49 dragestil: just download minetest 0.4.17.1 on github and build the source code. there is an included readme file that makes it easy Mar 21 15:31:51 just 3 commands Mar 21 15:32:08 then you can run ./bin/minetest Mar 21 15:33:21 awesome thanks Mar 21 15:33:31 * ritanagel (6b021e70@conference/libreplanet/x-gmavhjnbqsgvfnuv) has joined Mar 21 15:33:44 leah: what is the hardware your running on? Mar 21 15:33:56 /your/you're Mar 21 15:34:00 pareidolia6, or ask at #debian-academy at OFTC Mar 21 15:34:19 * xbx has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:34:30 I got mine from the AUR Mar 21 15:34:41 Gotta wait a few minutes for it to compile Mar 21 15:34:49 * xbx (557f5220@conference/libreplanet/x-lvcugrwzjcursqmd) has joined Mar 21 15:34:50 libreplanet_room_saturn Mar 21 15:34:53 * famubu has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 15:34:56 And then go into the settings and enable the legacy protocol Mar 21 15:35:12 * aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined Mar 21 15:35:46 momoninja: thinkpad with coreboot Mar 21 15:36:44 * lp-attendee12588 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:36:45 any libreboot machine should run is smoothly Mar 21 15:36:47 * lp-attendee63455 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:36:49 it* Mar 21 15:36:51 * lp-attendee56974 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:37:21 * nlsmrg (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-wcnigeqvzurtbjps) has joined Mar 21 15:37:27 * GS (4dc40d90@144.13.196.77.rev.sfr.net) has left Mar 21 15:37:28 LibreAdventure is glitching again Mar 21 15:37:29 leah: That's also what I did (on an X200) Mar 21 15:37:35 Are yall still in Minetest? Mar 21 15:37:42 craigt: When's the quiz? Mar 21 15:37:44 I am Mar 21 15:37:53 7 mins until the trivia quiz Mar 21 15:38:12 Hyp3rspace: Where is it? Mar 21 15:38:19 Hyp3rspace: what type of glitch? Mar 21 15:38:25 Theres a link on the website Mar 21 15:38:48 * lp-attendee15541 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:38:49 * giambr1 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:38:56 I found it in LibreAdventure, go in the BOF/Lightning corner, Trivia, the website should have a link to a BBB session Mar 21 15:39:11 LibreAdventure is having issues with mic/camera bumping again Mar 21 15:39:20 * JakeLP21 (~Thunderbi@s20-cip.informatik.uni-goettingen.de) has joined Mar 21 15:39:26 * lp-attendee93998 (3e6beedd@conference/libreplanet/x-lxdgkkiftixrornz) has joined Mar 21 15:39:27 It's https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/zoe-6xu-ndu Mar 21 15:39:45 * notacat (b94186e8@conference/libreplanet/x-atsmpgwgneadzopk) has joined Mar 21 15:40:12 NOW HAPPENING: LibrePlanet TRIVIA -- join the BBB https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/zoe-6xu-ndu -- proof your knowledge and win prizes! Mar 21 15:40:22 Thanks hyperspace Mar 21 15:40:28 Hopefully with audio this time :) Mar 21 15:40:30 * Sophira (~sophie@matrix.theblob.org) has joined Mar 21 15:40:35 Hyp3rspace: thanks. I'll report it. Mar 21 15:40:51 *prove Mar 21 15:41:10 can i just sit in and learn Mar 21 15:41:11 * Tawny has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Mar 21 15:41:15 Noisytoot: 14:45 https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/zoe-6xu-ndu Mar 21 15:41:20 * blumenkiste (~user@2a02:908:fbd2:f680:c71a:9ed:5ba3:5915) has joined Mar 21 15:41:24 Noisytoot: 4 minutes Mar 21 15:41:25 * lp-attendee93998 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 15:41:39 * ubuntourist has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 15:41:39 * pr0PM has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) Mar 21 15:41:47 Hi :) I just learned about this happening. Will the talks be archived for future viewing after the event? Mar 21 15:41:53 * urnephewspal has quit () Mar 21 15:42:01 Sophira: yes Mar 21 15:42:03 Apologies if this is a FAQ that I haven't seen. Mar 21 15:42:08 Okay, thank you :) Mar 21 15:42:11 they hope to get them up by the 29th Mar 21 15:42:19 Update: Bumping appears to be working again Mar 21 15:42:22 * APM has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:42:27 * lp-attendee81828 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:42:30 * lp-attendee59647 is now known as paul-securepairs Mar 21 15:42:38 * pareidolia6 is now known as subtlywobbly Mar 21 15:42:45 * Tawny (~Tawny@mob-109-113-198-247.net.vodafone.it) has joined Mar 21 15:42:46 jess, the bot's been working great, thanks :) Mar 21 15:42:57 awesome, good job Mar 21 15:43:02 * lp-attendee35441 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:43:15 * zack (~zack@fsf/member/zack) has left Mar 21 15:43:27 thanks :) It was pretty tight timing Mar 21 15:43:32 * rollom (~rollom@146.199.191.222) has joined Mar 21 15:43:53 * lp-attendee71540 (2f1058c8@conference/libreplanet/x-cszdaytpyodozdrd) has joined Mar 21 15:44:13 Sophira: you can still register gratis (to access some extra features), and watch the remaining presentations live on the website. Also, all talks are being recorded :D Mar 21 15:44:27 Heyo Sophira o/ Mar 21 15:44:28 who else has 3 streams/meetings open because you can't decide on anything?! Mar 21 15:44:33 The next talks 14:45 are very hot! Mar 21 15:44:48 * AlessandroS (4e0dc5d8@conference/libreplanet/x-badbyysynvombipa) has joined Mar 21 15:45:26 * EricMaGo has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:46:19 * lp-attendee03919 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:46:34 * mach-tb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Mar 21 15:46:36 * lp-attendee28788 (5e84a7b0@conference/libreplanet/x-dexifbyjoawlivjj) has joined Mar 21 15:46:40 jrootabega, I have many MANY tabs of websites suggested by presenters... gonna have to save/read them later, so much stuff to do/try! Mar 21 15:46:45 * mach-tb (~mach@c-73-167-45-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 15:47:19 Bilange: oh good, I'm not the only one! haha Mar 21 15:47:34 jrootabega: lol there were some close choices, thank goodness for recordings Mar 21 15:48:02 Trivia quiz is on for anyone interested in joining last minute! Mar 21 15:48:07 For anyone else looking for Mastodon handles. The @fsf@hostux.social account has been pretty good at including them when annoucing the schedule items Mar 21 15:48:21 * lp-attendee57128 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-vpnvnfwcdkogsggx) has joined Mar 21 15:48:23 * msantana (~darkstar@unaffiliated/darkstar) has joined Mar 21 15:48:41 * lp-attendee13761 (627491fc@conference/libreplanet/x-mfgrggaxgzirwtct) has joined Mar 21 15:48:45 * lp-attendee13761 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 15:48:48 Why is the trivia at the same time as talks D= Mar 21 15:48:53 too many things to do! 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Mar 21 15:56:52 I only know of one initiative: https://Wobbly.app Mar 21 15:56:52 And one that is unfree (and VC-backed): https://unitworkers.com/ Mar 21 15:57:42 Sorry, wrong channel. Mar 21 15:57:50 * kbtor has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 15:57:58 hello Mar 21 15:58:08 * lp-attendee16521 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-aailynstgwukqbnn) has joined Mar 21 15:58:10 * vladomiro has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 15:58:14 ritanagel: hi Mar 21 15:58:24 hello Mar 21 15:58:32 hi :) Mar 21 15:59:55 I couldn't make the trivia game work for me :* Mar 21 15:59:57 :*( Mar 21 16:00:17 no audio no matter what I did, and audio worked fine for me for other events Mar 21 16:00:34 sorry to hear :( Mar 21 16:00:40 IrishUSA: oh no, did you refresh? It took a while for audio to load Mar 21 16:00:41 * lp-attendee22545 (450119d8@conference/libreplanet/x-tefbczqxqrkiflkl) has joined Mar 21 16:00:54 * lp-attendee25527 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:00:57 thx - and I'm running Abrowser on Trisquel Mar 21 16:01:01 * danisanti (~daniel@unaffiliated/danisanti) has left ("Leaving") Mar 21 16:01:18 I did try both waiting and refreshing, as well as leaving and entering again Mar 21 16:01:29 You know what I haven't tried quitting the browser and relaunching Mar 21 16:01:46 rmharrison, probably signal is the most important tool for organizers in the US today :( Mar 21 16:02:10 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 16:02:53 one thin that was weird was I was given a popup window asking how I'd like to join, with only one choice, "Listen Only" being only visible for a fraction of a second, then vanishing Mar 21 16:03:09 I do not trust signal due combination of requiring phone number and servers are not self hosted Mar 21 16:03:15 Which is a fine default - all I intended for audio was listening, but I didn't get to actually click on it - maybe that's the problem? Mar 21 16:03:15 chambln: Mar 21 16:03:17 LibrePlanet 2021 intermission music *** back34 by Tom Peter (CC-BY-SA): https://opengameart.org/content/8bit-style-music *** Adventure by CodeManu (CC-BY): https://opengameart.org/content/8bit-adventure *** Chippytoon by BBandRage (CC-BY): https://opengameart.org/content/rpg-towntravel-or-credits-song *** Long Away Home by nene (CC-0): https://opengameart.org/content/long-away-home-8bit Mar 21 16:03:32 wobbly.app looks interesting though Mar 21 16:03:37 * inknos_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 16:03:40 * inknos__ (~inknos@195.181.160.173.adsl.inet-telecom.org) has joined Mar 21 16:03:48 jami or xmpp look better Mar 21 16:04:01 * kbtor (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-syribohbgleznlos) has joined Mar 21 16:04:09 * zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined Mar 21 16:04:23 it says it's build on open standards, but not which ones Mar 21 16:04:23 * lp-attendee98103 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:04:31 * ritanagel has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:05:36 terpri_: I'm not familiar with wobbly, but their github says it's built on XMPP Mar 21 16:05:38 I CAN HEAR IN THE TRIVIA NOW! Mar 21 16:05:45 Disabled and re-enabled audio Mar 21 16:05:49 IrishUSA: That's great! Mar 21 16:05:58 * joeschmoepenguin (~joeschmoe@2600:1700:4a30:bd40:65b6:d1d9:8d59:fe3) has joined Mar 21 16:06:02 ime political orgs use whatever proprietary garbage is popular (zoom/slack/discord for meetings, e.g.) unless a Free Software person is involved early and does all the work to provide an alternative Mar 21 16:06:06 * dor (~dorian_gr@68.235.43.85) has joined Mar 21 16:06:06 paru -S minetest on Arch Linux Mar 21 16:06:10 we built a giant tower in minetest Mar 21 16:06:22 when you jump off the top it takes like 5 minutes to fall to the ground Mar 21 16:06:36 IrishUSA: have fun! Mar 21 16:06:45 minetest4 sorry Mar 21 16:07:01 * Digit has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Mar 21 16:07:17 * dorian_greyscale has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 16:07:26 * dor has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 16:07:48 rnek0: i read that you can tick an option saying "old server" or something, but for FSF minetest server you should build minetest 0.4.17.1 Mar 21 16:08:39 compiling now but i go to show this after Mar 21 16:08:48 thank you Mar 21 16:08:51 (which i guess is true of organizations in general, but it's a strange choice for "radical" organizations like IWW or DSA) Mar 21 16:09:18 * alper_ (~alper@159.146.11.215) has joined Mar 21 16:09:22 * dorian_greyscale (~dorian_gr@68.235.43.85) has joined Mar 21 16:10:06 * Digit (~user@fsf/member/digit) has joined Mar 21 16:10:57 * cecalita has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 16:10:59 * lp-attendee07278 (9300639a@conference/libreplanet/x-mouwyrhczylkgppo) has joined Mar 21 16:13:53 * mnw (~mnw@fsf/member/craniumslows) has joined Mar 21 16:13:57 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 16:14:05 IrishUSA: is the trivia happening now? Mar 21 16:14:35 * b01 (~b01@47.195.16.93.rev.sfr.net) has joined Mar 21 16:14:36 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 16:14:44 * ritanagel (~rcn@c-107-2-30-112.hsd1.az.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 16:14:50 the trivia is running now Mar 21 16:14:54 amelia_: it might still be happening, but it started some time ago and I think it's closed now. Mar 21 16:15:06 * kcnickerson (68fe5d56@conference/libreplanet/x-inwearhhieufpmqq) has joined Mar 21 16:15:16 Ah, must've blinked and missed it :D Mar 21 16:15:21 Scheduled to close right about now. Don't know if it's still going on though. Mar 21 16:15:56 s'ok, I've been watching other stuff anyway Mar 21 16:15:56 where's the trivia area? Mar 21 16:16:09 I thought I'd seen it mentioned earlier, but it's not in the schedule or anything Mar 21 16:16:12 https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/zoe-6xu-ndu Mar 21 16:17:10 amelia_: yeah, there are pros and downsides to having multiple cool events happening at the same time Mar 21 16:17:14 * mnw is now known as craniumslows Mar 21 16:17:23 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 16:17:46 ty Bloodrose Mar 21 16:17:53 iko: on the plus side -- I was going to mention earlier when you were trying to decide between two talks -- everything should hopefully be uploaded in a couple of weeks :) Mar 21 16:17:58 Is it possible to get the talks as download when libreplanet is over? Mar 21 16:18:02 iko, amelia_: just don't let that freeze you and don't pick any xD. Best case scenario you see ONE great talk. :D Mar 21 16:18:15 The others will be recorded for later haha Mar 21 16:18:16 yes cavemanr we are recording and will publish Mar 21 16:18:16 cavemanr: Not immediately. Mar 21 16:18:21 * lp-attendee29188 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-gtfvpwccdfvtuisz) has joined Mar 21 16:18:24 a social event for people who might be taking a break from formal talks, but a dilemma for some people (like me) who can't decide lol Mar 21 16:18:27 * alper_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 16:18:37 senux: good point lol Mar 21 16:18:43 Hopefully it'll end up on https://media.libreplanet.org/ in a couple of weeks, cavemanr / iko Mar 21 16:19:07 * QEDan2 (~mazur@69.172.163.35) has joined Mar 21 16:19:08 I wish I had been aware of the conference yesterday. Anyone happen to have complete room stream dumps? Mar 21 16:19:09 amelia_: yeah, I guess it comes down to one where I might have a question for the speaker Mar 21 16:19:19 * lp-attendee75683 (0289d00e@conference/libreplanet/x-ztpirujbprhubped) has joined Mar 21 16:19:30 Cheakyung I bet those will go up on the FSF site after it's all over Mar 21 16:19:37 chaekyung Mar 21 16:19:58 * alper_ (~alper@159.146.11.215) has joined Mar 21 16:20:16 not sure about raw room stream dumps, but the talks will definitely be available on the LP mediagoblin, hopefully by Mar 29 Mar 21 16:20:22 idk, those in charge want to keep them secret for weeks until they publish the talks individually on media.libreplanet.org. Mar 21 16:20:32 It should be a week before everything is uploaded on the media page. Mar 21 16:20:52 I can broke no delay iko which is why I'm asking if anyone can give them to me now. Mar 21 16:21:01 it probably takes time to cut/edit/optimise Mar 21 16:21:35 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 16:21:41 Chaekyung: did you by any chance ask quidam? maybe they'll know Mar 21 16:22:13 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 16:22:14 sorry, quidam or danam Mar 21 16:22:50 what's the question again? Mar 21 16:23:14 * cborges[m] (cborgesgno@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-labfgwqixwlqhuld) has joined Mar 21 16:23:18 danam: hi, we were just wondering if the raw room stream dumps would be available Mar 21 16:23:38 as in video or irc or something else? Mar 21 16:23:40 (and if so, any estimates when) Mar 21 16:23:43 video Mar 21 16:23:48 * jalfredprufrock has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Mar 21 16:23:55 * pert has quit (Quit: pert) Mar 21 16:24:02 danam: cc Chaekyung Mar 21 16:24:08 danam: preferrably as some huge file for each room I could just wget Mar 21 16:24:11 zoel thanks for the info Mar 21 16:24:18 * johancb (~johan@p200300edaf3b2100647c183e6178cda6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined Mar 21 16:24:19 no we don't have those Mar 21 16:24:21 * lp-attendee27004 (c3d54242@conference/libreplanet/x-auydgcsdexrllsvx) has joined Mar 21 16:24:33 * lp-attendee27004 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 16:24:35 * JakeT23 (5c13b16a@conference/libreplanet/x-sxebtxjstxiartgt) has joined Mar 21 16:24:46 You must surely have saved the streams if you are able to publish them on media.libreplanet.org in a few weeks? Mar 21 16:24:51 * lp-attendee29188 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:24:56 * lp-attendee89206 (c3d54242@conference/libreplanet/x-udgparivosxhodcd) has joined Mar 21 16:25:07 I was going to say, those won't really be available to-hand, and if it were, they wouldn't necessarily have the humanpower/bandwidth to just make them all immediately available Mar 21 16:25:11 you will be able to download the videos from media.libreplanet.org Mar 21 16:25:25 we plan on uploading on the 29th Mar 21 16:25:28 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 16:25:30 Be reasonable, Chaekyung. Patience is a virtue, and the staffers and volunteers have enough going on as is. Mar 21 16:25:30 amelia_: correct Mar 21 16:25:32 * cavemanr has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 16:25:49 nor of course are we blocking people from saving the streams themselves, some people have done that in the past Mar 21 16:26:05 when we publish, it'll be nice, with the talk descriptions, license info, different formats, etc Mar 21 16:26:15 trimmed in some cases if there were difficulties, etc Mar 21 16:26:35 this is why it takes time, besides the technical limits of offering up large files for download on the same bandwidth we are using to stream / do other things Mar 21 16:26:38 * JakeT23 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 16:26:46 johnsu01 ++ Mar 21 16:27:10 * lp-attendee22545 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:27:49 Chaekyung: for next year, you could always capture the stream as you receive it if you wish, which some folk have done before to try and host on-the-fly(ish) stuff themselves Mar 21 16:28:44 amelia_: as I said, I wasn't aware of the conference until today. I have everything from like 11:50 conference time. I don't have yesterday or before that because I wasn't aware of the conference yesterday or earlier today. Mar 21 16:29:25 * gangi (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-gjrxjadyjmyprdqe) has joined Mar 21 16:29:29 > media.libreplanet.org will have the recordings later Mar 21 16:29:42 * mach-tb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Mar 21 16:29:56 johnsu01: what about having some automated thing server side on fsf where the talks are available immediately, after stream ends, BUT: Mar 21 16:30:03 * aindilis has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 16:30:10 LIBREPLANET25 <- nostarch discount code, 25% off Mar 21 16:30:10 not via https straight away. seed it on bittorrent instead Mar 21 16:30:12 Chaekyung: Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, the raw videos can't be made available directly to the public from the storage servers. They need to be uploaded to media.libreplanet.org, and that will take time, effort, etc. That's why we will take some time editing them first. Mar 21 16:30:25 leah: not a bad idea, the CCC has been able to do that with their conferences for ... 15 years now Mar 21 16:30:29 that should solve the bandwidth problem. let everyone seed the videos on bittorrent network Mar 21 16:30:53 Chaekyung: well i didnt know that. i just thought of it as a possible solution Mar 21 16:31:03 leah: a stream ends on a ccc conf and 5 minutes later a raw dump with 10 mintes before and after is available. the x.org developers conf did the same. Mar 21 16:31:06 * tpefreedom has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 16:31:14 Noisytoot: HEYY :( Mar 21 16:31:16 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 16:31:18 this is the only conference I'm aware of where basics are such difficult Mar 21 16:31:27 that was exclusive for trivia quiz attendees Mar 21 16:31:30 yeah and do it on bittorrent so that the stream bandwidth isnt affecte dtoo much Mar 21 16:31:36 leah, Chaekyung: I will convey the suggestion to the tech team! Mar 21 16:31:49 yay! Mar 21 16:32:00 Chaekyung: that is surely not true, see FOSDEM also Mar 21 16:32:04 * aindilis` (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined Mar 21 16:32:08 m building hell in minetest right now Mar 21 16:32:11 or any number of conferences that take months to publish their videos Mar 21 16:32:16 fire everywhere Mar 21 16:32:18 Manual = too less hackers involved Mar 21 16:32:25 yes, we could make it instant. we have to plan that and set up the system. resources tradeoff Mar 21 16:32:26 * xbx (557f5220@conference/libreplanet/x-ngeuiuxpnikkgcqo) has joined Mar 21 16:32:47 * lp-attendee46481 (521431ec@conference/libreplanet/x-nteazvwtlkegowpb) has joined Mar 21 16:33:02 so we prefer to be able to not worry about it during the event, and make them available within a couple of weeks after. if we get 1000 new members, I can promise we will make them available instantly, with the help of the new staff we can hire :) Mar 21 16:33:05 * pert (~pert@fsf/member/pert) has joined Mar 21 16:33:16 * tpefreedom (~tsomers@184-157-240-110.dyn.centurytel.net) has joined Mar 21 16:33:29 * lp-attendee22332 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:33:37 * djp_ (~djp@fsf/member/djp-) has left Mar 21 16:33:45 I think peertube supports streaming now too? Could use something like that Mar 21 16:33:47 * DCoratza (50753ff7@conference/libreplanet/x-biicfgvqqbwexohb) has joined Mar 21 16:33:51 Totally failed that trivia xD probably got like 3 points Mar 21 16:33:56 latest peertube supports streaming Mar 21 16:33:56 * aindilis` has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 16:33:57 trivia was fun :) Mar 21 16:34:03 jfred, yes it does Mar 21 16:34:10 trivia was great Mar 21 16:34:10 * kittykat (kittykatma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-cjfnmdfwgzwqllfd) has joined Mar 21 16:34:11 * lambda4 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:34:17 peertune 3.x i think Mar 21 16:34:24 although it didn't go that well for me Mar 21 16:34:36 Yea learnt a lot hehe Mar 21 16:34:52 if youve ever been told to go to hell but struggled to find it, im building it on minetest.libreplanet.org :) Mar 21 16:34:53 anyway, looking forward to watching some of the talks I missed, there's always more than one interesting one in each timeslot :P Mar 21 16:34:57 * JakeT23 (5c13b16a@conference/libreplanet/x-kfpabseiiuwcczjf) has joined Mar 21 16:35:04 I wish they didn't run it at the same time as the talks. I opted to listen to talks instead Mar 21 16:35:05 Chaekyung: Firstly, it's not that "basics are difficult," this is also the first time AFAIK that LP has been entirely virtual, plus CCC have substantial resources for bandwidth and processing, given they have tickets which people *buy* -- nobody pays to attend LibrePlanet... Mar 21 16:35:17 * lp-attendee08276 (450119d8@conference/libreplanet/x-nwerqkzygxaixmng) has joined Mar 21 16:35:24 * ossguy (~denver@conservancy/staff/ossguy) has joined Mar 21 16:35:42 LP 2020 was also entirely virtual, but with only about... a week's notice Mar 21 16:35:44 > fire Mar 21 16:35:52 * lp-attendee73137 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:35:52 * lp-attendee16386 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-tlkkwlkcjnnizcog) has joined Mar 21 16:35:56 Everyone heading to the RMS talk is slowing down LibreAdventure again xD Mar 21 16:35:57 * lp-attendee54410 (5f226998@conference/libreplanet/x-zkoblojunwvsucln) has joined Mar 21 16:35:58 amelia_: wasn't last year's fully virtual as well? Mar 21 16:36:13 I'm already impressed how everything is going quite well, such conferences use a lot of bandwidth Mar 21 16:36:17 I couldn't recall off-hand, which was why I said AFAIK ;) Mar 21 16:36:37 * lp-attendee56725 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-nvxljkqsxfawhoci) has joined Mar 21 16:36:41 I'm actually going to make it a point next year to travel to LP Mar 21 16:36:49 Hyp3rspace: I am making use of freedom 3 Mar 21 16:36:51 Labouring the point of your personal dissatisfaction, or denigrating FSF/LP for not being the same as X/Y/Z setup, isn't going to get you what you want. Since you weren't even aware of LP happening, waiting a couple of weeks shouldn't harm you :) Mar 21 16:36:55 with companies like Zoom that's easy and cheap, but if you're a non-profit with the whole goal of being independent from that.... Mar 21 16:37:01 cant bump into others in LibreAdventure again :( Mar 21 16:37:06 * lp-attendee21864 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-ysmlgvhtucmogzbw) has joined Mar 21 16:37:07 * madage (~madage@gateway/tor-sasl/madage) has joined Mar 21 16:37:10 I cannot wait for another in-person LP, the trip to Boston was always fun Mar 21 16:37:12 Noisytoot: How? Mar 21 16:37:17 @leah I think I'll join you there. :D Mar 21 16:37:24 tpefreedom: By sharing the discount code Mar 21 16:37:30 I've never been to Boston much less to LP in person Mar 21 16:37:30 NoisyToot shared the discount code for trivia attendees Mar 21 16:37:35 Cause hes a bad person Mar 21 16:37:36 jiaminglimjm[m], me too! i was hoping for questions more like "which printer company pissed off rms so much that he started the free software movement" :p Mar 21 16:37:38 docplatypus Come visit, we live in the greatest city on Earth, in a season when we might have literally any weather Mar 21 16:37:40 :( Mar 21 16:37:45 jschwart: Yeah I am impressed with how smooth it has been on the hole. Thanks everyone involved! Mar 21 16:37:45 noordinaryspider: come find me! im deep underground Mar 21 16:37:48 a friend and I did a road trip to Concord, NH, only time I've been to New England Mar 21 16:37:48 he/she/it Mar 21 16:38:03 mattlav1: I'm used to weird weather. I live in Houston, TX Mar 21 16:38:18 s/NoisyToot/Noisytoot/;s/hes/he's;s/bad/good; Mar 21 16:38:24 * efm (~efm@vpn.tummy.com) has joined Mar 21 16:38:25 Thanks everyone for the great time! Mar 21 16:38:37 s/'s/'s\// Mar 21 16:38:41 they told me that I scored the lowest in the trivia so my membership is going to be canceled without a refund! :O Mar 21 16:38:48 tilduke: yeah +1 :) Mar 21 16:38:48 NoisyToot: s/^.*$//g Mar 21 16:38:50 I really love in persona conferences but I also have been able to attend a bunch I wouldn't otherwise have made it to so it has been nice in some ways to ahve it virtual Mar 21 16:38:58 * lp-attendee62503 (5449dc08@conference/libreplanet/x-bicjgkdaorqxqrtn) has joined Mar 21 16:39:00 docplatypus do you know the motto of Texas City, TX Mar 21 16:39:10 * cb400f has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) Mar 21 16:39:10 jrootabega: LOL that's funny Mar 21 16:39:11 mattlav1: not off hand, no Mar 21 16:39:15 Double the Texas-ness? Mar 21 16:39:21 Cant stop capitalizing that T Noisytoot Mar 21 16:39:27 docplatypus Motto(s): "The city that would not die" Mar 21 16:39:27 yeah, being able to attend FOSDEM this year without international travel was great Mar 21 16:39:28 Hmmm, I need to figger out making this music the ringtone on my smartwatch... Mar 21 16:39:35 wow Mar 21 16:39:36 I've always thought that's excellent Mar 21 16:39:39 the more you know... Mar 21 16:39:39 * pryme-svg has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 16:39:48 * subtlywobbly has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:39:50 in libreadventure, the orientation of the presentations means i'm looking at the backs of most of the avatars Mar 21 16:39:51 * ReneDH (~ReneDH@94.31.101.141) has joined Mar 21 16:39:57 Hyp3rspace: That means that you said nothing Mar 21 16:39:58 I've been to Texas City but haven't really studied it or become that familiar with it Mar 21 16:40:05 Indeed :) Mar 21 16:40:10 Nothingness Mar 21 16:40:13 * bengrant has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 16:40:13 Infinite Nothingness Mar 21 16:40:14 vagrantc which is funny considering the whiteboard doesn't do anything afaik Mar 21 16:40:22 RMS talk in Jupiter rn Mar 21 16:40:24 Hyp3rspace: Mar 21 16:40:33 docplatypus read up on it and you'll see where they got the motto Mar 21 16:40:33 Hyp3rspace: (replying to your nothingness) Mar 21 16:40:34 jrootabega: indeed :) Mar 21 16:40:53 * lp-attendee33975 (1fa4c5db@conference/libreplanet/x-ftftrxxfcymdufxu) has joined Mar 21 16:40:55 * jalfredprufrock (~Jimmy@2409:4070:229f:fb33:f46b:ecb:c96e:de87) has joined Mar 21 16:41:06 YAY Mar 21 16:41:12 RMS hip hip hooray Mar 21 16:41:19 \o/ Mar 21 16:41:20 RMS hip hip hoooooooraaaay Mar 21 16:41:25 there's no audio in neptune Mar 21 16:41:26 * lp-attendee34477 (be1e5bd4@conference/libreplanet/x-tndkkarpyesulroc) has joined Mar 21 16:41:28 YAAAAAYYYY Mar 21 16:41:29 :O Mar 21 16:41:29 HIP HIP HOOOOORAY Mar 21 16:41:32 yay, very happy for you rms Mar 21 16:41:32 three times for RMS Mar 21 16:41:38 * notacat has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:41:40 * gangi has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:41:41 no more resignations! Mar 21 16:41:43 YAAAY Mar 21 16:41:45 Hyp3rspace: unless it's meta-sed, in which case: s/^.*$/s\/NoisyToot\/Noisytoot\/\;s\/hes\/he's\/\;s\/bad\/good\/\;/ Mar 21 16:41:50 RMS forever! Mar 21 16:41:57 * bengrant (~bengrant@157-131-127-133.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net) has joined Mar 21 16:41:58 Infinite RMSness Mar 21 16:41:59 * Jaaan has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:42:01 * lp-attendee76103 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-qkjbmdskjkgucuyt) has joined Mar 21 16:42:02 * EricMaGo (4de63e2f@conference/libreplanet/x-iablumsrtnqxozxf) has joined Mar 21 16:42:12 Jupiter is f***ing lit Mar 21 16:42:14 I feel dizzy. Wasn't expecting that. Hooray. Mar 21 16:42:21 Wow this is a relieg Mar 21 16:42:23 f Mar 21 16:42:30 * jgomo3 (~user@mtprnf0117w-156-57-99-3.dhcp-dynamic.fibreop.nl.bellaliant.net) has joined Mar 21 16:42:37 I got to know free software two years ago because of RMS talk at some frontend web development conf Mar 21 16:42:38 Which room? Mar 21 16:42:41 * notacat (b94186e8@conference/libreplanet/x-plhlxbcqpuqftnmg) has joined Mar 21 16:42:48 * lp-attendee56725 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:42:53 * jalfredprufrock has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 16:42:53 I can hear you just now tatica Mar 21 16:42:57 Jupiter Mar 21 16:43:01 * lp-attendee45198 (9729e7a1@conference/libreplanet/x-twdfyozldqzpgjkv) has joined Mar 21 16:43:04 * lp-attendee89206 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:43:15 ChromeOS can be librebooted cant it? Mar 21 16:43:37 * efm (~efm@vpn.tummy.com) has left ("Konversation terminated!") Mar 21 16:44:45 Hyp3rspace: not ChromeOS, that's the OS, but certain chromebooks Mar 21 16:44:51 yes Mar 21 16:45:00 * not_a_robot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 16:45:02 im in #libreboot_room_jupiter now Mar 21 16:46:28 * marios (~marios@athedsl-4425002.home.otenet.gr) has joined Mar 21 16:46:31 * not_a_robot (~pi@2a01:4b00:8014:d900:a14c:9543:1291:efa8) has joined Mar 21 16:46:38 * marios has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 16:46:47 * legind has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 16:47:54 * tza (~marios@athedsl-4425002.home.otenet.gr) has joined Mar 21 16:48:02 I was planning to make and build the code from Chromium OS so that I can get myself more familiar with it as my library started using Chromebooks. Mar 21 16:48:11 * shoshin (~shoshin@68.183.49.166) has joined Mar 21 16:48:44 * jimg (~jim@2601:18d:4900:b3c0:c18:8aa:a65e:c2ac) has joined Mar 21 16:49:14 * zack (~zack@fsf/member/zack) has joined Mar 21 16:49:44 * lp-attendee08621 (6031c4ac@conference/libreplanet/x-tccslwbmnflpvsbb) has joined Mar 21 16:49:49 apple put Javascript implementations in hardware in their new products Mar 21 16:49:51 * ReneDH has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 16:50:08 i hope you're all using free software irc clients here Mar 21 16:50:09 fediverse.party - take back the internet Mar 21 16:50:15 N.b. ChromeOS is essentially ChromiumOS + some blobs, much as certain distributions are free software (incl. GNU and Linux) + blobs. Mar 21 16:50:22 * vladomiro (~vladomiro@2806:266:401:140:21a:73ff:fe1a:3ecb) has joined Mar 21 16:51:15 * lp-attendee76103 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-qkjbmdskjkgucuyt) has left ("LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org") Mar 21 16:51:33 * codysseus has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) Mar 21 16:52:32 * alyssa (~alyssa@138.197.143.207) has left Mar 21 16:52:54 * jalfredprufrock1 (9d30c860@157.48.200.96) has joined Mar 21 16:53:01 * lp-attendee31181 (63f16ccc@conference/libreplanet/x-wezgdngklxlfrolp) has joined Mar 21 16:53:06 * seek (~seek@2402:4000:20c0:7f13:4d33:e09c:df9e:7564) has joined Mar 21 16:53:09 * mjw has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 16:53:31 * lp-attendee41467 (5ffa947b@conference/libreplanet/x-lfcqskafkmkbcytg) has joined Mar 21 16:53:37 * jalfredprufrock1 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 16:54:54 tza I think "I hope you're all using free clients" can sound a bit gatekeeping / judgy / intimidating. i'd say "hey I encourage everyone to use free IRC clients like NAME or OTHERNAME" Mar 21 16:55:21 using element Mar 21 16:55:33 * EFF|Christian has quit (Quit: Connection closed) Mar 21 16:55:34 IrishUSA: s/can/does :) Mar 21 16:55:34 * jalfredprufrock6 (9d30c860@157.48.200.96) has joined Mar 21 16:55:35 Pidgin here Mar 21 16:55:41 HexChat and ZNC Mar 21 16:55:50 irssi here Mar 21 16:55:54 * lp-attendee08621 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:56:24 Noisytoot: I had a hard time getting ZNC to work properly. Did you follow any specific tutorials or have any tips? Mar 21 16:56:25 Using free software is important, being a zealot / chastising those who might not be able to for whatever reason, isn't conducive to promoting the cause. Mar 21 16:56:33 * lp-attendee06767 (627491fc@conference/libreplanet/x-ikovcpwgomtkyfwl) has joined Mar 21 16:56:42 * lp-attendee08276 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:57:06 right amelia_ but we need to also realize that while an advocate might come across that way it might not be the intent. Mar 21 16:57:18 * piekarski (~piekarski@ip1f10d31b.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined Mar 21 16:57:22 IrishUSA: what are some examples of free irc clients that you have used/use? i'm using icedove but i'd like to figure out how to stay logged on all the time. any suggestions? Mar 21 16:57:31 senux: I installed ZNC, created a new user, and ran znc --makeconf Mar 21 16:57:43 no borders Mar 21 16:57:43 noemu i've used Hexchat and Pidgin Mar 21 16:57:44 i use weechat Mar 21 16:57:47 and emacs Mar 21 16:57:47 matrix does that Mar 21 16:57:48 * lp-attendee45198 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:57:49 from my package manager Mar 21 16:57:58 senux: I followed this for hexchat https://wiki.znc.in/HexChat Mar 21 16:58:18 * lp-attendee26304 (9729e7a1@conference/libreplanet/x-wbxaqugggbrgjprs) has joined Mar 21 16:58:19 I use HexChat with a BNC. Mar 21 16:58:34 also, i keep reading about matrix, but it seems daunting to figure out how to bridge from irc Mar 21 16:58:34 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to scm Mar 21 16:58:42 thanks for the suggestions! Mar 21 16:58:48 Hexchat is GPL 2.0, gives a nice enough, concise GUI without needing to learn new commands Mar 21 16:58:50 * jalfredprufrock6 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 16:59:02 :) Mar 21 16:59:31 * lp-attendee07278 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 16:59:33 I'd forgotten that Icedove has IRC capability! Mar 21 16:59:34 * djmedeir has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 16:59:43 amelia_: i'll check out hexchat then. i'm a fan of a good gui :) Mar 21 16:59:43 * lp-attendee26304 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 16:59:44 * dancesWithCycles has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 16:59:56 Thanks Noisytoot ! Mar 21 17:00:06 I'm gonna give that a look iko ! Mar 21 17:00:14 * jalfredprufrock (9d30c860@157.48.200.96) has joined Mar 21 17:00:33 * lp-attendee38278 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-thuznlnywjryuent) has joined Mar 21 17:00:51 I would argue that they're grooming everyone to use proprietary garbage Mar 21 17:01:34 two-centz: who is? Mar 21 17:02:00 testgreenlight.fsf.org/rms-dfw-93a Mar 21 17:02:18 ^^^ where RMS will hangout after his talk Mar 21 17:02:20 most people stick to using proprietry because they arent aware of their options Mar 21 17:02:32 * lp-attendee79271 (44c7b41f@conference/libreplanet/x-cpfvjajtaddqmlbf) has joined Mar 21 17:02:37 Yes at testgreenlight.fsf.org/rms-dfw-93a RMS will hang around :-) Mar 21 17:02:54 notacat right. Most people just use the default their computer came with. It's how Microsoft killed Netscape and tried to kill AOL with MSN etc Mar 21 17:02:56 * Vejeta has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 17:03:04 #libreplanet great presentation Mr.Owens, Are you also running an inkspace training ? please share your patreon link Mar 21 17:03:08 * kcnickerson has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:03:25 senux: society... look at all the Zoom BS - I refuse to use that crap Mar 21 17:03:45 * ChanServ removes channel operator status from Bloodrose Mar 21 17:03:51 Amusingly big exception to that is how most people download Chrome as the first thing they do when they get a new Windows PC. out of the frying pan into the fire :P Mar 21 17:04:07 hahaha true Mar 21 17:04:10 two-centz: oh, gotcha. Yeah, mostly because that's what people are familiar with. Marketing, word-of-mouth, etc. Mar 21 17:04:23 But the good part is that you can use that as an example to overcome hesitancy when recommending free alternatives Mar 21 17:04:32 * lp-attendee86232 (4529c675@conference/libreplanet/x-uxghjvfheyfbeuug) has joined Mar 21 17:04:36 * ddemaio has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 17:04:37 ^^^ yep Mar 21 17:04:38 * lp-attendee85092 (1fa8d5d0@conference/libreplanet/x-jbdtcmmespwgcyow) has joined Mar 21 17:04:49 in my experience, most times you just say yes to Adobe apps then use FOSS ones in their place;) Mar 21 17:04:50 You can say "Just download the installer and click Next through the defaults, just like you did with Chrome" Mar 21 17:05:22 yes, thats a good point. Mar 21 17:05:49 * mjw (~mark@herd.wildebeest.org) has joined Mar 21 17:05:50 senux: zoom is such a terrible company... people are so blind Mar 21 17:05:53 * lp-attendee62831 (bc4f2600@conference/libreplanet/x-vufgqnpuluxsquaa) has joined Mar 21 17:06:11 So you can baby-step them into freedom, first using Firefox, Thunderbird, VLC, LibreOffice, etc on Windows, then maybe Linux Mint, then over to Trisquel etc Mar 21 17:06:13 People aren't blind, they're often given no choice in what they're using. Mar 21 17:06:16 * lp-attendee90092 (4d4091f4@conference/libreplanet/x-vgvzuhfmycvdcjzz) has joined Mar 21 17:06:18 * lp-attendee62831 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 17:07:02 * decentral1se (~decentral@86-91-199-200.opennet.kpn.net) has joined Mar 21 17:07:08 question website is full queue, I wish he would tell us about smart watches, are there any free ones and how bad are the proprietary ones for us Mar 21 17:07:08 * johancb has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 17:07:16 Asteroid OS Mar 21 17:07:40 Plus there's a new Pebble like smartwatch I forget the name Mar 21 17:07:42 lp-attendee16521: are you also in the jupiter room? Mar 21 17:07:55 * gangi (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-ihgcoorpqmsuxtta) has joined Mar 21 17:07:57 * lp-attendee16386 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:08:02 sorry neptune Mar 21 17:08:10 /join #libreplanet_room_jupiter Mar 21 17:08:11 lp-attendee16521: I recommend you post your question there for a chance of being picked up Mar 21 17:08:12 yes Mar 21 17:08:28 oh no im not im not browser Mar 21 17:08:35 im on* Mar 21 17:08:57 * RedSoxFan07 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) Mar 21 17:08:57 lp-attendee16521: use the message dctrud posted to join Mar 21 17:09:08 johnsu01: I'm very happy that RMS has been reinstated to the FSF board of directors. He should have never resigned in the first place, and I was very upset with the FSF when he left. Mar 21 17:09:14 lp-attendee16521: type /join #libreplanet_room_jupiter Mar 21 17:09:19 okay thanks Mar 21 17:09:20 * lp-attendee86232 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 17:09:40 * lp-attendee71512 (488d4892@conference/libreplanet/x-bevaudtanxpypnwm) has joined Mar 21 17:09:40 * lp-attendee15850 (4529c675@conference/libreplanet/x-ryamrfyaefexfmug) has joined Mar 21 17:09:42 lp-attendee16521: let me know if it doesn't work. Then I'll send your question for you. Mar 21 17:10:26 https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/03/05/watchy-smartwatch-esp32-wifi-bluetooth-soc-with-e-ink-display/ Mar 21 17:10:28 Where can I find the uploaded videos? I want to watch a previous talk that I missed this afternoon Mar 21 17:10:49 lp-attendee71512 those will be available next weekend Mar 21 17:11:00 ok Mar 21 17:11:01 lp-attendee16521 it's the Watchy Mar 21 17:11:06 johnsu01: I was greatly uncomfortable with the FSF during his absense. Glad to see the FSF has done the right thing. Im now 100% convinced that his departure was purely to steer media attention away from the FSF. Quite clever. Now that the heat has died down, RMS is back. Mar 21 17:11:16 mattlav1 pew pew, quickest trigger in any IRC server. Mar 21 17:11:24 * lp-attendee11024 (49fd05fd@conference/libreplanet/x-rrhlvclizciopgdj) has joined Mar 21 17:12:42 https://watchy.sqfmi.com/ Mar 21 17:13:05 * lp-attendee74043 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-cvuxxifzkppawsla) has joined Mar 21 17:13:26 thanks I look into watchy Mar 21 17:14:00 * giambr1 (3e0bb31c@conference/libreplanet/x-yiyjfxaidppvbded) has joined Mar 21 17:14:02 /join #libreplanet_room_jupiter Mar 21 17:14:44 And here's the AsteroidOS page https://asteroidos.org/ Mar 21 17:15:07 * APM (a1008ace@conference/libreplanet/x-zxzigadfqyadgwow) has joined Mar 21 17:15:16 I'm sure the devices they support will never be FSF RYP certified, but maybe the Watchy will be Mar 21 17:15:42 * notacat has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:16:25 * nickodd (~nickodd@unaffiliated/nickodd) has left Mar 21 17:16:33 tuesday March 23rd, 2021 http://testgreenlight.fsf.org/rms-dfw-93a Mar 21 17:16:41 RYF I meant not RYP Mar 21 17:16:43 rms talk rescheduled -- Tuesday, 4:20pm EDT, https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/rms-dfw-93a Mar 21 17:16:46 4:20 pm Mar 21 17:17:05 * lp-attendee57128 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:17:49 shame rms can't make it during the weekend as scheduled, and will instead be speaaking during the work week and even in during the work day instead of after hours Mar 21 17:18:02 oh well at least it's happening somehow Mar 21 17:18:12 * notacat (b94186e8@conference/libreplanet/x-fuwlwzrpzrsfpjbl) has joined Mar 21 17:19:05 * fritjof (~fritjof@87-49-146-69-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net) has joined Mar 21 17:19:48 * tza has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.1) Mar 21 17:20:02 * lp-attendee80661 (4ba495ad@conference/libreplanet/x-aunwvgnuzgzrpcck) has joined Mar 21 17:20:56 * mmaug (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-ydpstqhverjbxhcx) has joined Mar 21 17:21:02 * lp-attendee99383 (ba9b105e@conference/libreplanet/x-drvyzjszrtqixusv) has joined Mar 21 17:21:21 * lp-attendee58451 (57319245@conference/libreplanet/x-xjptzxqeqzfnijkn) has joined Mar 21 17:21:24 * lp-attendee31181 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:22:05 * lp-attendee99383 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 17:22:33 IrishUSA: It's not about his availability, it's about the demand overwhelming BBB and disrupting other talks/rooms Mar 21 17:23:03 * APM has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:24:42 * lp-attendee11024 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:25:34 * pgazz has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 17:25:55 * pgazz (~user@99.20.134.193) has joined Mar 21 17:26:07 * noemu has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Mar 21 17:26:12 * isengaara (~guest@p200300ddff17c30002262dfffef698c1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has left Mar 21 17:26:35 * gangi has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:26:52 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 17:27:07 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 17:27:24 * lp-attendee06767 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:27:36 * align1 (4ba495ad@75-164-149-173.ptld.qwest.net) has joined Mar 21 17:27:42 * lp-attendee71540 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:27:54 * lp-attendee75683 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:27:54 * lp-attendee19041 (bcee229e@conference/libreplanet/x-uikthazzbgnjszwv) has joined Mar 21 17:27:54 * lp-attendee41246 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:27:56 * lp-attendee90092 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:28:10 * jgomo3 has quit (Quit: finish of talk) Mar 21 17:28:12 * gknauth (~user@2601:98b:4402:6f8f:8d8a:987a:8aca:3aa) has joined Mar 21 17:28:16 * lp-attendee25248 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:28:30 rwp: are you a pilot? Mar 21 17:28:38 if anyone happens to know if martin is here (about inkscape)? Mar 21 17:28:53 * lp-attendee94755 (49fd05fd@conference/libreplanet/x-hjbyqhgqeynwlfnf) has joined Mar 21 17:28:56 * lp-attendee16521 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:29:03 * lp-attendee80661 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:29:09 * lp-attendee56738 (59bbb9a5@conference/libreplanet/x-szskgbakznikuvrk) has joined Mar 21 17:29:10 * senux removes channel operator status from senux Mar 21 17:29:14 align1: I am Martin Mar 21 17:29:18 * MechtiIde has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Mar 21 17:29:22 hey thank you for the great talk! Mar 21 17:29:22 gknauth have you not met rwp? he usually flies himself to LibrePlanet Mar 21 17:29:31 * ossguy (~denver@conservancy/staff/ossguy) has left Mar 21 17:29:40 * lp-attendee56738 (59bbb9a5@conference/libreplanet/x-szskgbakznikuvrk) has left Mar 21 17:29:41 gknauth he's in the middle of three room monitor shifts right now so might not have time to chat Mar 21 17:29:52 Im learning inkscape and wanted to be on whatever list in case some education happens doctormon Mar 21 17:29:53 * lp-attendee22277 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-uskvuivctidgrcal) has joined Mar 21 17:29:54 * lp-attendee21439 (d1063650@conference/libreplanet/x-bsvhtvuvkchfabru) has joined Mar 21 17:30:00 * EricMaGo has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:30:02 * jalfredprufrock has quit (Quit: Connection closed) Mar 21 17:30:26 * lp-attendee22277 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 17:30:33 * seabass (~sebastian@unaffiliated/seabass) has joined Mar 21 17:30:35 * dared (~dared@aftr-37-201-195-229.unity-media.net) has joined Mar 21 17:30:37 mattlav1: understood, thanks, I'll ask him another time Mar 21 17:30:53 * seabass_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Mar 21 17:31:00 * zack (~zack@fsf/member/zack) has left Mar 21 17:31:04 * lp-attendee33975 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:31:05 * lp-attendee56738 (59bbb9a5@conference/libreplanet/x-szskgbakznikuvrk) has joined Mar 21 17:31:17 * unamusedmon (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-iymdwgagkinklghg) has joined Mar 21 17:31:42 I really appreciated your point about if end users can't modify - of course they will treat it like freemium software Mar 21 17:31:51 So many interesting people at this conference and here in IRC! Mar 21 17:32:02 Hyp3rspace, you included :) Mar 21 17:32:08 haha Mar 21 17:32:11 hey seabass Mar 21 17:32:17 ggoes, hello! Mar 21 17:32:20 * Mikalai8 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:32:24 * iglpdc has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Mar 21 17:32:26 * sandoku (51c1c369@conference/libreplanet/x-kzxwoqdmrtesihwq) has joined Mar 21 17:32:32 Just had supper, everything going OK with the bot and all? Mar 21 17:32:47 i will say it is kind of crazy (and probably frustrating for the other presenters during the time slot) that RMS did not have a keynote slot Mar 21 17:32:47 * unamusedmon has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 17:33:14 Hyp3rspace: yeah, I am almost hoping that we will see another online conference in future years -- though in-person events are great, you cannot quite get this kind of diverse crowd together so easily :) Mar 21 17:33:49 virtual conferences are also more convenient for people who live remotelly Mar 21 17:33:56 * giambr1 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:34:11 * Mikalai8 (17e9038c@conference/libreplanet/x-hpazmmesqukashwq) has joined Mar 21 17:34:53 * hammerron has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 17:35:17 * rnek0 has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.1) Mar 21 17:35:25 * unamusedmon (~unamusedm@2600:1014:b106:868c:2881:fd7c:5ee9:2fa6) has joined Mar 21 17:35:32 * lp-attendee54419 (25789895@conference/libreplanet/x-otzdbcfeskzqmkuh) has joined Mar 21 17:35:55 doctorhoo: +1 for virtual Mar 21 17:36:01 * lp-attendee97612 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-dpvcltrceirvyilp) has joined Mar 21 17:36:08 * lp-attendee54419 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 17:36:47 too many fascinating-sounding talks happening simultaneously :D (a good problem to have, to be sure) Mar 21 17:36:47 The web streams are very good this year, I recall in previous years there were some traffic packet drops Mar 21 17:37:13 * spectral` (1588d19ac9@fip.chapril.org) has joined Mar 21 17:37:27 Agree this year has been fabulous! absolutely wonderful Mar 21 17:37:52 hey folks is there any technical docs on how the live streams are being served through icecast? Mar 21 17:37:54 * lp-attendee50928 (75dd9599@conference/libreplanet/x-jcbxvubbeswcajrd) has joined Mar 21 17:38:10 super cool setup, happily watching webm formats in my local mplayer :) Mar 21 17:38:12 who is responsible for picking the nice chiptunes in between events? Mar 21 17:38:24 A behind t he scenes would be really really nice to have. Docs, footage and how it was done :) Mar 21 17:38:27 yeah, this has been a tight but amazing program, and I really like the way social interaction was integrated into the conference experience -- but then I am an introvert ;) Mar 21 17:38:32 hello neox :) Mar 21 17:38:39 * lp-attendee46744 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-wlgkjotuyturnbqy) has joined Mar 21 17:39:06 * walterbender has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:39:13 2d world's doing the thing again Mar 21 17:39:17 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 17:39:19 * asop has quit (Quit: Connection closed) Mar 21 17:39:27 shoshin: yes I've been enjoying that music too Mar 21 17:39:28 * noemu (~Icedove@unaffiliated/noemu) has joined Mar 21 17:39:45 almaember: yeah, but the restart seemed to have helped -- video didn't work for me before Mar 21 17:40:05 oh okay Mar 21 17:40:06 * seabass_ (~sebastian@unaffiliated/seabass) has joined Mar 21 17:40:28 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 17:40:35 hey gknauth, it's nice seeing you around :-) Mar 21 17:40:36 * seabass is now known as Guest21354 Mar 21 17:40:36 * Guest21354 has quit (Killed (tepper.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) Mar 21 17:40:36 * seabass_ is now known as seabass Mar 21 17:40:53 * lp-attendee85092 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:41:01 nice to see you too bandali! Mar 21 17:41:09 ^_^ Mar 21 17:41:11 * APM (a1008ace@conference/libreplanet/x-ydujungsialvebwl) has joined Mar 21 17:41:16 * lp-attendee41467 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:42:14 * not_a_robot (~pi@2a01:4b00:8014:d900:a14c:9543:1291:efa8) has left Mar 21 17:42:23 LibrePlanet 2021 intermission music *** back34 by Tom Peter (CC-BY-SA): https://opengameart.org/content/8bit-style-music *** Adventure by CodeManu (CC-BY): https://opengameart.org/content/8bit-adventure *** Chippytoon by BBandRage (CC-BY): https://opengameart.org/content/rpg-towntravel-or-credits-song *** Long Away Home by nene (CC-0): https://opengameart.org/content/long-away-home-8bit Mar 21 17:42:23 * lp-attendee21905 (5ffa947b@conference/libreplanet/x-urojqtaivwcjlxsj) has joined Mar 21 17:42:34 thank you amelia_! Mar 21 17:42:38 cc shoshin gknauth Mar 21 17:42:44 * JakeT23 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:43:15 yeah i found the Long Away Home one. thanks. was hoping it was also made with free software Mar 21 17:43:15 * lp-attendee21905 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 17:43:58 * lp-attendee97520 (0289d00e@conference/libreplanet/x-dovzcbtmdekhigte) has joined Mar 21 17:44:10 * alexl has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:44:12 * czm (322347a1@conference/libreplanet/x-zjoqcqaamclxbfjg) has joined Mar 21 17:45:07 * nupilios has quit (Quit: nupilios) Mar 21 17:46:33 lxo: I'd imagine it was for the dramatic flair / attention, given it was neither relevant to the talk at hand, nor something that couldn't have been mentioned another way or at another point Mar 21 17:47:25 * lp-attendee29747 (2f1058c8@conference/libreplanet/x-lflzimugkejamnpf) has joined Mar 21 17:47:38 * Burcadus has quit (Quit: Leaving.) Mar 21 17:47:55 * Indignation is now known as Hyp4rspace Mar 21 17:48:16 amelia_: do you speak pt-BR? Mar 21 17:49:08 * lp-attendee91124 (bad1bf3a@conference/libreplanet/x-mlagqjzmhrjdpzdc) has joined Mar 21 17:49:31 * piekarski has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 17:49:34 * karmar281 has quit (Read error: No route to host) Mar 21 17:50:03 * lp-attendee20494 (4fa3d116@conference/libreplanet/x-uaokjnysehwvgbzm) has joined Mar 21 17:50:08 * lp-attendee91124 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 17:50:14 * IrishUSA (~trisquel@2601:146:4280:8be0:a107:4606:24d4:f08c) has left Mar 21 17:50:15 * lp-attendee20494 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 17:50:25 amelia_, it was clear to me the topic would dominate the Q&A if it wasn't moved to another slot. it shouldn't have been a surprise for anyone Mar 21 17:50:27 True tester. Even presence finds bugs Mar 21 17:50:41 lxo: I absolutely agree. Mar 21 17:50:47 adfeno: No? Mar 21 17:51:01 * lp-attendee74043 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-cvuxxifzkppawsla) has left ("LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org") Mar 21 17:51:21 so it would be related with the session in that, without the alternate session, the topic of the session would have been drowned out Mar 21 17:51:35 * k1elt has quit (Quit: leaving) Mar 21 17:51:38 * lp-attendee85317 (49da1bc6@conference/libreplanet/x-gysplqirzgohhova) has joined Mar 21 17:51:50 * walterbender (927385d5@conference/libreplanet/x-ryyxznihtqkiwuqc) has joined Mar 21 17:52:05 amelia_: Ah OK, I once saw someone greeting a channel member in pt-BR, so I got confused and thought it were you, Sorry for bothering. Mar 21 17:52:11 * save-lisp-or-die (~save-lisp@68.183.49.166) has left ("The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat") Mar 21 17:52:20 * lp-attendee46481 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:52:22 * belgin (~belgin@2a02:2f0a:c311:5d00:c0ce:dc4b:b8fd:9288) has joined Mar 21 17:52:51 No bother! :) Mar 21 17:53:11 seabass, hi Mar 21 17:53:16 * lp-attendee16809 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:53:17 * ashutosh has quit (Quit: ashutosh) Mar 21 17:53:26 zleap, hello Mar 21 17:53:31 hello Mar 21 17:53:47 hello! Mar 21 17:53:58 I'm watching about TLC right now Mar 21 17:54:01 i am off, will your talk be online Mar 21 17:54:09 i mean in the recorded videos ? Mar 21 17:55:15 Oh, definitely Mar 21 17:55:34 I think the FSF will host it but if not I can send my own recording to you Mar 21 17:55:34 * huftis has quit () Mar 21 17:55:37 * oss9 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) Mar 21 17:57:30 LP videos should be up in the next couple of weeks :) Mar 21 17:57:59 * walterbender signing out of the Sugar Labs room in Libre Adventures... Mar 21 17:58:07 * walterbender has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 17:59:20 * MistahDarcy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 18:00:02 * noemu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) Mar 21 18:00:21 * veenaswa has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:00:40 seabass's talk will be recorded Mar 21 18:00:55 * karmar281 (~user@2a02:8109:b00:43d8::c5e3) has joined Mar 21 18:01:23 cool Mar 21 18:01:52 seabass, maybe we can also take a look at the next tech jam, as Lucy wants some talks and stuff Mar 21 18:02:52 * Hyp3rspace has quit (Quit: Hyp3rspace) Mar 21 18:03:28 * ashutosh (~ashutosh@116.75.122.44) has joined Mar 21 18:03:34 * APM has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:04:18 * sandoku has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:04:37 * oyvindje (oyvindje@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-uqjpyvjhagxfbndg) has left Mar 21 18:04:46 * lp-attendee32404 (523486f3@conference/libreplanet/x-rcgyrrbhmyqhsnpd) has joined Mar 21 18:04:47 * lp-attendee32404 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 18:05:19 yeah, that'd be great Mar 21 18:05:47 * dora (523486f3@conference/libreplanet/x-nhqsacryxzphjfhu) has joined Mar 21 18:06:08 Relaying a message from RMS: I've used BBB on that server many times, I will be there Tuesday 23 at 4 PM. https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/rms-dfw-93a If it doesn't work I'll arrange a way to do it later. Mar 21 18:06:14 seabass, cool Mar 21 18:06:27 hi dora! thanks for sharing the message Mar 21 18:06:31 we can chat after LP on that one Mar 21 18:07:11 * lp-attendee50928 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:07:41 * lp-attendee56738 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:08:47 * lp-attendee56738 (59bbb9a5@conference/libreplanet/x-vhkxmdxjcmqltziu) has joined Mar 21 18:09:24 * noemu (~Icedove@unaffiliated/noemu) has joined Mar 21 18:09:40 /join #libreplanet_room_neptune Mar 21 18:12:19 dora: that info needs to be considered tentative Mar 21 18:12:32 do you teach your teaching method to other orgs? Mar 21 18:12:35 we don't decide times for events live on the air Mar 21 18:12:38 bandali: let's hppe it can be done on Tuesday! People really want to talk to RMS Mar 21 18:12:57 * zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 18:12:58 * doctorhoo has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Mar 21 18:13:29 * ashutosh has quit (Quit: ashutosh) Mar 21 18:13:34 +johnsu01: He said he asked in advance, the other day. Mar 21 18:13:34 right. hopefully it works out! Mar 21 18:14:01 dora: he didn't, but we'll see what we can do Mar 21 18:14:02 Hi folks Mar 21 18:14:14 dora: or maybe we are talking about different things Mar 21 18:14:17 he also asked for it to be announced and was told it was not possible. Mar 21 18:14:26 * lucia84 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) Mar 21 18:15:12 wow Mar 21 18:15:25 I am talking about the room for him to be able to answer questions. He asked for the room to be announced and he was told no. Mar 21 18:15:33 yes, correct Mar 21 18:15:41 * DCoratza has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:15:58 so we weren't planning on it; and not planning on the tuesday event, which was decided literally live on the air Mar 21 18:15:59 well, why? Mar 21 18:16:01 so we'll see what we can do Mar 21 18:16:16 * swegbun (swegbun@fsf/member/swegbun) has left ("WeeChat 3.1") Mar 21 18:16:51 * nullkit (~nullkit@unaffiliated/nullkit) has joined Mar 21 18:16:56 decided on the air maybe because he was denied ? Mar 21 18:17:05 Is TLC is similar tutoring, is it? Mar 21 18:17:24 I'm not arguing about whether it should happen -- I'm only saying that the time can't be considered confirmed yet because nobody who would need to be involved has actually confirmed it other than him Mar 21 18:18:01 * flosss (~flosss@nixnet.services) has joined Mar 21 18:18:08 * modlin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 18:18:09 we decided against the idea of having official office hours for anyone that conflicted with other stuff, for the same reasons we decide to only have so many talks at the same time. we offered an alternative, but that didn't work Mar 21 18:18:12 +johnsu01: You new well in advance that he was going to need a room. You denied it to him. Mar 21 18:18:12 * louis771 (~louis@77-58-0-94.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined Mar 21 18:18:21 * knew Mar 21 18:18:37 * lp-attendee23884 (53a3e85f@conference/libreplanet/x-vbwgwvantvhwhsst) has joined Mar 21 18:18:49 * lp-attendee94755 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:20:06 You arranged and announced for a time and room to celebrate awards. Mar 21 18:20:32 we pointed to a celebration someone else was hosting 30 minutes after the end of the program on their own servers Mar 21 18:20:47 and we did not arrange it Mar 21 18:21:00 (but very happy karen did) Mar 21 18:21:11 you announced it big out loud! Mar 21 18:21:27 and it was on your servers, no? Mar 21 18:21:29 no Mar 21 18:21:30 it wasn't Mar 21 18:21:33 * lp-attendee26539 (6178d5af@conference/libreplanet/x-wjrugthcopyyjtrk) has joined Mar 21 18:21:47 dora, it was on conservancy servers, and on freenode Mar 21 18:21:51 yes, we have historically announced lots of other community events big out loud that don't conflict with our program or require our resources Mar 21 18:21:57 * spectral` is now known as spectral_ Mar 21 18:22:08 conservancy has its own bbb instance. Mar 21 18:22:29 oh,I see. Well, I hope on Tuesday Richard will be able to talk to people. Mar 21 18:22:51 * demonfell has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Mar 21 18:23:25 +johnsu01: the community wants to talk to Richard. Help that happen. Mar 21 18:23:34 what resources are we talking about for the fsf's bbb server to host a community conversation? AFAIK it runs all the time Mar 21 18:23:40 dora: you seem quite quick off the button to make your claims, it's difficult to do that well when you don't have half the story, never mind the full story. Mar 21 18:24:07 yes, we will meet Richard on Tuesday :) Mar 21 18:24:08 amelia_, she has a lot more story than you may imagine Mar 21 18:24:13 * conorsch has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) Mar 21 18:24:15 4:20 pm, blaze it Mar 21 18:24:26 * lp-attendee56738 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:24:33 dora, btw. the members jitsi server is self-service, you might be able to arrange a meeting there. Some GNU projects use it for informal project meetings too. Mar 21 18:24:43 amelia_: I do have a lot of the story, unfortunately. Mar 21 18:24:52 * zooe has quit (Quit: zooe) Mar 21 18:24:54 lxo: the service just fell over during the talk. so no, it's not that easy. Mar 21 18:25:04 mjw, the fsf has its own jitsi instance too Mar 21 18:25:13 One side, and the side you've argued has still not been entirely correct. Mar 21 18:25:17 * Hyp3rspace (~hyperspac@95.91.249.159) has joined Mar 21 18:25:19 * Hyp3rspace has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 18:25:30 * Hyp3rspace (~hyperspac@95.91.249.159) has joined Mar 21 18:25:42 * lp-attendee21864 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:25:53 The past is the past. BBB falling over and killing other sessions wasn't right, and making an announcement mid-talk to get around the issue wasn't cool. Mar 21 18:25:57 lxo, I thought that was the same instance. Mar 21 18:26:02 Hi I'm back from dinner :) Mar 21 18:26:03 amelia_: what side of the stor do you have? Mar 21 18:26:10 * mnhrdt (~Enric@fsf/member/mnhrdt) has joined Mar 21 18:26:13 * mmaug has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:26:30 jitsi and bbb are different systems Mar 21 18:26:31 but bbb might be more convenient for larger meetings, I don't think it is self-service though. Mar 21 18:26:32 ^mjw Mar 21 18:26:35 amelia_ I think he didn't expect that many people interested in his session Mar 21 18:26:37 * lp-attendee97520 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:27:01 I don't know whether the fsf runs them on the same server Mar 21 18:27:02 * Neo7891 (5cf9c708@92-249-199-8.pool.digikabel.hu) has left Mar 21 18:27:06 * avilleneuve has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 18:27:09 * dorian_greyscale has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 18:27:18 * lp-attendee19041 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:27:50 * GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined Mar 21 18:27:58 lxo, I meant if bbb isn't available, then fall back to the FSF jitsi member service. It is very convenient for (smaller) meetings. Don't know if you have attended the glibc project patch review ones for example. Mar 21 18:28:17 * GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 18:28:29 mjw, neither of fsf's services (jitsi and bbb) is self-service; it takes an authorized party to initiate a session. from then on, anyone else may be allowed to join Mar 21 18:28:41 Hyp3rspace: some people are just not aware of how large is the community who appreciate RMS. Mar 21 18:28:58 * Noisytoot is now known as LPBot_ Mar 21 18:29:05 * dorian_greyscale (~dorian@68.235.43.85) has joined Mar 21 18:29:27 ...because that part of the community is not noisy enough. Mar 21 18:29:42 lxo, No, really, it is. https://www.fsf.org/associate/about-the-fsf-jitsi-meet-server Mar 21 18:29:53 * LPBot_ is now known as Noisytoot Mar 21 18:30:06 lxo, you have to be an associate member though, but I assume everybody here is already Mar 21 18:30:18 mjw, I've used jitsi, bbb and jami for small meetings. never for big ones. but I know classes are taught to hundreds, maybe thousands, with bbb. I'm aware of attempted uses of meet.jit.si (this specific server) for a meeting with several tens of participants, and it fell over Mar 21 18:30:34 You need to be an associate member to host the meeting on their instance tho Mar 21 18:30:39 seabass: just listened to your lightning talk. Really cool! Thank you for putting that together. : ) Mar 21 18:30:42 * chambln has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 18:31:00 richard could thus start a meeting and invite people on either one Mar 21 18:31:11 * noemu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) Mar 21 18:31:13 senux, thanks! :) Mar 21 18:31:14 dora: I agree with you on that Mar 21 18:31:22 sorry, but BBB doesn't always work even for calls with 5 people Mar 21 18:31:31 * modlin (modlin@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-fvjpdvdgcvvtjxjq) has joined Mar 21 18:31:38 especially if any of those people are good free software activists using X200s Mar 21 18:31:46 * johnsu01 goes to the keynote Mar 21 18:31:46 * mmaug (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-nmjxnwshxtijapiu) has joined Mar 21 18:31:57 * Hyp3rspace is at the keynote Mar 21 18:32:02 lxo, yes, https://jitsi.member.fsf.org/ is not for very large groups. But it has been used for meetings by serveral GNU groups to have meet ups for the project. Mar 21 18:32:10 louis771: we need to organize, to be more visible. Mar 21 18:32:16 * lp-attendee62403 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-zzwwwsdwemrwarhf) has joined Mar 21 18:32:23 * cmaloney (~snap-l@peppercarrot/maintainer/cmaloney) has left ("WeeChat 3.1") Mar 21 18:32:29 seabass what was your lightning talk? Mar 21 18:32:45 * lp-attendee23884 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:32:56 * lp-attendee54102 (0289d00e@conference/libreplanet/x-bjfmltqpkkkhctso) has joined Mar 21 18:33:00 Hyp3rspace are all the people who have talks cyan? Mar 21 18:33:06 Hyp3rspace, ah, it was about JS minification Mar 21 18:33:11 If so what's your talk? Mar 21 18:33:15 "Care about your users; don't minify your JS!" Mar 21 18:33:18 * Onsemeliot (54701210@conference/libreplanet/x-mcsiicldkvauolsr) has joined Mar 21 18:33:22 Still love the things, or the kids. As a father, I'm leaning towards the former.... Mar 21 18:33:31 seabass: lightning talk will still be shown, we're pushing it in between the keynote and the closing talk Hyp3rspace Mar 21 18:33:32 Speaking of which add support for showing source code for minified JS in LibreJS pls Mar 21 18:33:33 * iglpdc (~ivan@c-24-61-43-42.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 18:33:50 zoe1, ruben accidentally showed it early, just before this talk Mar 21 18:33:52 * polezaivsani has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 18:33:52 dora: yes, but it's hard to be heard. Mar 21 18:34:15 lp-attendee71512 I'm not aware of any cyan colors (in my IRC client everything is the same color), but I did hold a lightning talk about Reclaiming your Privacy yesterday Mar 21 18:34:20 so, i think if ppl missed it, they can see it on the upload Mar 21 18:34:43 * lp-attendee18529 (57d66506@conference/libreplanet/x-vxrpwqscdgpimqbx) has joined Mar 21 18:34:43 * chambln (~user@2.31.228.235) has joined Mar 21 18:34:50 seabass "Care about your users; minify your JS!" Would've been better ;-) Mar 21 18:34:53 louis771: it depends on what those ears want to hear. Some people are heard, althought they a few. Mar 21 18:34:56 * polezaivsani (~polezaivs@orangeshoelaces.net) has joined Mar 21 18:35:00 am I wrong or should the closing keynote already run? Mar 21 18:35:09 Oh hahaha sorry Mar 21 18:35:16 Onsemeliot, it is running on jupiter Mar 21 18:35:18 It's running now in jupiter Mar 21 18:35:23 * cavemanr (~cavemanr@074-142-067-156.ip-addr.inexio.net) has joined Mar 21 18:35:28 oh, thanks Mar 21 18:35:46 Reposting in case someone missed it Mar 21 18:35:50 Relaying a message from RMS: I've used BBB on that server many times, I will be there Tuesday 23 at 4 PM. https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/rms-dfw-93a If it doesn't work I'll arrange a way to do it later. Mar 21 18:36:21 What's BBB? Mar 21 18:36:31 Big Blue Button Mar 21 18:36:33 lp-attendee71512 Big Blue Button Mar 21 18:36:36 https://bigbluebutton.org/ Mar 21 18:36:41 4:00 or 4:20 Mar 21 18:36:42 ? Mar 21 18:36:45 4:20 Mar 21 18:36:46 I heard 4:20 at first Mar 21 18:36:48 dora: thanks... I hope I can join. Mar 21 18:36:48 4 Mar 21 18:36:56 1620 EDT Tuesday Mar 21 18:36:56 * bengrant has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 18:36:58 * seek has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.3) Mar 21 18:37:08 * bengrant (~bengrant@157-131-127-133.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net) has joined Mar 21 18:37:10 dora: and thank you for being a messenger Mar 21 18:37:21 * demonfell (~user@c-76-127-154-36.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 18:37:44 16:10 EDT as an average, just to be safe xD Mar 21 18:38:58 * lp-attendee38278 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:39:25 I confirm it's 4:20! I'm sorry I miswrote Richard's message! Mar 21 18:39:40 ok Mar 21 18:39:45 just so we're all on the same page Mar 21 18:39:49 * lp-attendee71512 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 18:40:31 * lp-attendee05775 (488d4892@conference/libreplanet/x-qsshozkksekhfbum) has joined Mar 21 18:40:33 4:20? is rms going to be blazed? :D Mar 21 18:40:36 Wait I just saw something about rms and 4:30, what's that about? Mar 21 18:41:07 Thanks for the conference Librepeople ! Mar 21 18:41:08 I'd blaze with RMS Mar 21 18:41:16 lol, he wouldn't Mar 21 18:41:25 yang *FSF Tech Team Mar 21 18:42:08 * demonfell has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 18:42:15 tech team rocks Mar 21 18:42:16 * lp-attendee01742 (322367c7@conference/libreplanet/x-eshvtshlyrsfsmsh) has joined Mar 21 18:42:22 thanks! Mar 21 18:42:29 yeah Mar 21 18:42:29 lp-attendee05775: RMS will be answering questions. The time is 4:20 PM, actually, Mar 21 18:42:35 Tuesday Mar 21 18:42:40 OH ok Mar 21 18:42:41 hanks Mar 21 18:42:43 *thanks Mar 21 18:42:45 the time is tentative Mar 21 18:42:49 Relaying a message from RMS: I've used BBB on that server many times, I will be there Tuesday 23 at 4:20 PM. https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/rms-dfw-93a If it doesn't work I'll arrange a way to do it later. Mar 21 18:42:58 * Met68 (5f5af03f@ip5f5af03f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined Mar 21 18:43:11 * cetro has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 18:43:16 * demonfell (~user@c-76-127-154-36.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 18:43:25 * cetro (~skorpion@156.146.139.144) has joined Mar 21 18:43:27 * avane (~avane@unaffiliated/avane) has joined Mar 21 18:44:08 * GNUfr33d0m (446c58ec@conference/libreplanet/x-lfxkhwomniiwuiwb) has joined Mar 21 18:44:37 I just started a new website for free software, please bookmark and share it http://agnuwayofthinking.com Mar 21 18:45:26 GNUfr33d0m: i'm a vegan and digital vegan, does that make me a digital vegan vegan Mar 21 18:45:26 * lp-attendee05775 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 18:45:37 ggoes haha, yes Mar 21 18:50:27 I've been a social vegan for about a year Mar 21 18:50:38 this means I avoid meet Mar 21 18:50:45 :-) Mar 21 18:50:56 (sorry, I read this the other day, and I had to pass it on :-) Mar 21 18:53:10 I hope it's not the sort of joke that actual vegans resent. I have a great admiration and appreciation for vegans. that ethical drive is inspiring to me Mar 21 19:01:38 * Disconnected (Connection timed out) Mar 21 19:02:08 * Now talking on #libreplanet Mar 21 19:02:08 * Topic for #libreplanet is: LibrePlanet 2021: Empowering Users.. is NOW: https://libreplanet.org/2021 | IRC channels: #libreplanet_room_jupiter, #libreplanet_room_saturn, #libreplanet_room_neptune | All conference IRC channels are LibrePlanet safe spaces: https://libreplanet.org/2021/safe-space-policy Mar 21 19:02:08 * Topic for #libreplanet set by ggoes!~gregf@fsf/staff/ggoes (Sun Mar 21 12:25:42 2021) Mar 21 19:02:08 * Channel #libreplanet url: http://libreplanet.org/ Mar 21 19:02:22 * lp-attendee03082 (b2738238@conference/libreplanet/x-wulsrziisdgnfdly) has joined Mar 21 19:02:28 GNUfr33d0m: you should publish your site in gemini space too Mar 21 19:02:32 :) Mar 21 19:02:38 * kenna has quit (Quit: Connection closed) Mar 21 19:02:49 I was planning on it louis771 Mar 21 19:02:49 The official photographer of the Minetest digital environment of art expression and fun, may have the album published much sooner than expected. Mar 21 19:02:50 Chaekyung: Hopefully it'll be fixed in post :) Mar 21 19:02:55 * kbtor has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:03:22 amelia_: doesn't have to be, it's obviously some pre-recording they just messed up when it was streamed Mar 21 19:03:36 GNUfr33d0m: sr.ht offers free gemini static hosting Mar 21 19:03:39 I want to go work in the free software world if anyone knows of any job resources for that Mar 21 19:03:47 Safe spaces? Mar 21 19:04:02 * Miguel (bde72e61@conference/libreplanet/x-edbxdjfvpnkwsvus) has joined Mar 21 19:04:08 * flosss (~flosss@nixnet.services) has joined Mar 21 19:04:19 thanks, I'm using SDF.org they just announced support for gemini Mar 21 19:04:25 * Miguel is now known as Guest58137 Mar 21 19:04:56 Hyp3rspace: great, unfortunately there is no way for the rest of us to know if it is free/libre, so if you do know the developers of CalyxOS, please convince then to follow the steps at https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-non-gnu-distros.html . Mar 21 19:05:05 * chambln has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 19:05:38 * lp-attendee23943 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-ttbydivuwfqqcmkb) has joined Mar 21 19:05:53 Noisytoot: I hooked into your railway system :) Mar 21 19:06:22 not wanting holiday is a good metric for knowing if i am happy. Mar 21 19:06:24 * lp-attendee27527 (533b7dff@conference/libreplanet/x-orgwrbpnrmuocmsx) has joined Mar 21 19:06:28 * lp-attendee75836 (ba9a9f4b@conference/libreplanet/x-gtxlbshzzzsblceb) has joined Mar 21 19:06:43 * craigt has quit (Quit: craigt) Mar 21 19:07:09 * lp-attendee45460 (9a032a1c@conference/libreplanet/x-ibamthnsifwvicwd) has joined Mar 21 19:07:26 Haha Mar 21 19:07:40 * lp-attendee27527 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 19:08:12 I used to have a 64 Mar 21 19:08:36 Big keyboard Mar 21 19:09:13 * craigt (~Icedove@fsf/staff/craigt) has joined Mar 21 19:09:26 * mrhedgehog0 (~textual@pool-108-45-90-247.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined Mar 21 19:09:29 anyone know how to install an old version of an app with Flatpak? Mar 21 19:09:39 I'd like to join the minetest server, but it requires 4.x I think Mar 21 19:10:24 * lp-attendee03082 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:10:36 * xbx has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:11:02 here you go Mar 21 19:11:02 https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/tips-and-tricks.html#downgrading Mar 21 19:11:04 Free software song! Mar 21 19:11:34 seabass: you need a minetest client running 0.4.x Mar 21 19:11:40 ..and you'll be free! Mar 21 19:11:43 * tomnor has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Mar 21 19:11:47 love the talk Mar 21 19:11:56 * lp-attendee75836 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:12:03 clap clap Mar 21 19:12:06 * xbx (557f5220@conference/libreplanet/x-yztquypkstzjivkd) has joined Mar 21 19:12:15 * avron has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:12:21 * jota191 (b31a61a6@conference/libreplanet/x-anpjxfqmcrxhubps) has joined Mar 21 19:12:50 Thank you Nathan! Mar 21 19:12:50 seabass: 0.4.x jumped to 5.x, so it's 4.x --- on Arch, there's an AUR for it, paru -S minetest4 Mar 21 19:13:10 * lp-attendee30317 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:13:13 bye. Mar 21 19:13:19 * floppus has quit (Quit: peace and happy hacking to all) Mar 21 19:13:21 bye Mar 21 19:13:26 * lp-attendee45460 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:13:26 * momoninja (~momo@mail.bjoernb.org) has left Mar 21 19:13:26 * james_ (~james@198-48-177-49.cpe.pppoe.ca) has joined Mar 21 19:13:32 * lp-attendee54102 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:13:32 thanks everyone, libreplanet has been great! 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Mar 21 19:14:49 * lp-attendee26539 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:15:06 LibrePlanet 2021 intermission music *** back34 by Tom Peter (CC-BY-SA): https://opengameart.org/content/8bit-style-music *** Adventure by CodeManu (CC-BY): https://opengameart.org/content/8bit-adventure *** Chippytoon by BBandRage (CC-BY): https://opengameart.org/content/rpg-towntravel-or-credits-song *** Long Away Home by nene (CC-0): https://opengameart.org/content/long-away-home-8bit Mar 21 19:15:17 * james_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 19:15:40 LibreAdventure no bumps makes me go :( Mar 21 19:15:46 * lp-attendee05487 (b2738238@conference/libreplanet/x-tembmpllrfguqwcl) has joined Mar 21 19:15:50 one thing that amazes me is how smooth it seems from the outside. having been or watched closely how conferences are organized, I *know* there have been plenty of fires to put out throughout, but what gets to us attendants is an appearance that everything is flowing smoothly. *amazing* job, fsfers! thank you! Mar 21 19:16:01 thanks lxo Mar 21 19:16:08 it sure isn't easy, but it's worth it Mar 21 19:16:23 I'm glad you can still feel that way at the peak of the exhaustion :-) Mar 21 19:16:24 * mrhedgehog0 is now known as yourmom Mar 21 19:16:36 What is happening with seabass's talk? Mar 21 19:16:44 * yourmom is now known as mrhedgehog0 Mar 21 19:16:47 seabass: Compile it from source Mar 21 19:16:59 seabass: git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest Mar 21 19:17:04 * kbtor_ (~kbtor@2603-7000-4b40-00fc-0000-0000-0000-1911.res6.spectrum.com) has joined Mar 21 19:17:05 lxo, I think it's more lava spills to fix Mar 21 19:17:11 seabass: git checkout stable-0.4 Mar 21 19:17:17 seabass: Then follow the instructions in the readme Mar 21 19:17:37 * lp-attendee53204 (54dc2a03@conference/libreplanet/x-zluccgeblmjrewpz) has joined Mar 21 19:17:38 CLosing remarks from FSF in Jupiter stream in a minute or so Mar 21 19:17:44 Noisytoot, heh, yeah Mar 21 19:18:35 the intermission music goes particularly well with the libreadventure Mar 21 19:18:47 * kbtor (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-ypbrfcbeohrwsrfr) has joined Mar 21 19:18:56 * PaulE94 (b9e67e0c@185.230.126.12) has joined Mar 21 19:19:09 * cnngimenez has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) Mar 21 19:19:12 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 19:19:19 vagrantc yeah I really like the music, probably the only intermission music I've ever actually liked Mar 21 19:19:22 * PaulE94 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 19:20:27 vagrantc, +1 Mar 21 19:20:54 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 19:21:08 ah well, should probably head off to other things, software to patch, compile, upload, etc.! Mar 21 19:21:25 * vagrantc waves Mar 21 19:22:35 ciao vagrantc Mar 21 19:22:57 * lp-attendee22188 (88324749@conference/libreplanet/x-sygkumnxjudgwvui) has joined Mar 21 19:22:58 gotta head out momentarily as well Mar 21 19:23:06 need daylight for yardwork Mar 21 19:23:14 * blumenkiste (~user@2a02:908:fbd2:f680:c71a:9ed:5ba3:5915) has joined Mar 21 19:23:31 * jota191 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:24:21 * unamusedmon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 19:24:32 * n8fr8__ (~n8fr8too@209.6.139.66) has joined Mar 21 19:24:51 * lp-attendee14070 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:25:05 * two-centz has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 19:25:59 437 concurrent viewers! :O Mar 21 19:26:01 * lp-attendee97612 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:26:04 great job tech team!! Mar 21 19:26:05 * SomeHacker has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) Mar 21 19:26:06 * lp-attendee46744 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:26:33 * lp-attendee05487 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:26:54 * n8fr8_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Mar 21 19:27:04 Where can you see the view count? Mar 21 19:27:11 * samplet has quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.1)) Mar 21 19:27:17 * doctormon has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) Mar 21 19:27:43 Hyp3rspace: https://live.fsf.org/ Mar 21 19:27:43 Probably only on the backend. Mar 21 19:27:51 can estimate from that Mar 21 19:28:57 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 19:29:09 * Emulatorman___ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) Mar 21 19:29:40 Ok Mar 21 19:29:57 @ the fsf team: pls don't delete the minetest server after libreplanet! Mar 21 19:30:01 I won! Mar 21 19:30:03 https://framatube.org/accounts/fsf/video-channels this ? Mar 21 19:30:04 I'm Ron! Mar 21 19:30:04 It's sad that folk have complained enough that the video thing needs to be addressed again in the closing remarks :( Mar 21 19:30:17 YAY Mar 21 19:30:18 (that's my realname!) Mar 21 19:30:18 lmao Hyp3rspace Mar 21 19:30:20 2nd place man Mar 21 19:30:30 Yeah I switched username twice haha Mar 21 19:30:31 Videos to https://media.libreplanet.org/ in a couple of weeks, fingers crossed! Mar 21 19:30:31 lol congrates Noisytoot! Mar 21 19:30:43 I'm jamming to The Hu right now https://www.thehuofficial.com/ Mar 21 19:30:44 Let's not forget indignation2 Mar 21 19:30:44 * PaulE (b9e67e0c@conference/libreplanet/x-pkzxpstfrexpolet) has joined Mar 21 19:30:46 * Emulatorman___ (~andre@gateway/tor-sasl/emulatorman) has joined Mar 21 19:30:46 haha Mar 21 19:31:02 Yeah I have one account on my smartphone and one on my gnu machine :) Mar 21 19:31:02 Congratulation Hyp3rspace Mar 21 19:31:16 Congrats Noisytoot! Mar 21 19:31:17 I hope you decide to make the LibrePlanet21 badges into enamel pins! They're really great! Mar 21 19:31:34 I hope you like the railway extension I designed :) Mar 21 19:31:45 Yay!!! FSF staff Mar 21 19:31:46 I do Mar 21 19:31:46 Its not an infinite loop anymore Mar 21 19:31:53 * SomeHacker has quit (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number) Mar 21 19:32:05 hell ya!!!! Mar 21 19:32:06 wooo Mar 21 19:32:07 yaaay!!!! Mar 21 19:32:09 * seabass has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Mar 21 19:32:13 happy hacking! Mar 21 19:32:13 @ fsf staff can you offer a minetest world download! Mar 21 19:32:13 * Vejeta (~user@fsf/member/vejeta) has joined Mar 21 19:32:14 Thanks for a great conference! Mar 21 19:32:17 that's awesome Mar 21 19:32:18 happy hacking! Mar 21 19:32:19 clap cap clap! Mar 21 19:32:23 well done!! Mar 21 19:32:31 * jxself stands up and applauds Mar 21 19:32:32 congrats everyone, well done Mar 21 19:32:32 * deevad has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 19:32:37 It's been fun, guys! Thank you! Mar 21 19:32:37 Hack the Planet Mar 21 19:32:42 * lp-attendee01742 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:32:44 Hack the Planet! Mar 21 19:32:46 * personame claps and claps and claps Mar 21 19:32:48 HACK THE PLANETTTTTTTTTT Mar 21 19:32:57 did someone build all those structures in minetest or was it scripted? Mar 21 19:33:01 Great work FSF TEAM and everybody! Mar 21 19:33:01 * _Felipe has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:33:03 * Noisytoot claps Mar 21 19:33:09 Hack the Solar System! Mar 21 19:33:17 https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/rub-j99-2y6 Mar 21 19:33:18 * lp-attendee18529 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:33:19 FLOX_Advocate: Someone built them Mar 21 19:33:23 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 19:33:25 yay Mar 21 19:33:28 Not one person of course Mar 21 19:33:33 * lp-attendee02628 (322367c7@conference/libreplanet/x-gbkrzlyhpqowqxwb) has joined Mar 21 19:33:57 crash the server https://testgreenlight.fsf.org/rub-j99-2y6 Mar 21 19:34:20 * z3r0fox has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:34:20 Wooo! Mar 21 19:34:20 unleash the flood! Mar 21 19:34:21 * lp-attendee29747 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:34:27 * Digitteknohippie (~user@fsf/member/digit) has joined Mar 21 19:34:28 * djmedeir (~james@198-48-177-49.cpe.pppoe.ca) has joined Mar 21 19:34:36 hoppla to the person/people behind the minetest structures Mar 21 19:34:37 * PaulE has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 19:34:41 zoe1: Haha! Mar 21 19:34:41 zoe1: Why are you trying to crash the server? Mar 21 19:34:45 kidling loves them! Mar 21 19:34:47 * kevin8t8 (~kevin8t8@xvm-14-153.dc0.ghst.net) has left Mar 21 19:34:51 iank: thanks for all of your support - glad to be a part of this! take care Mar 21 19:34:54 How long is the LibreAventure going to be online? Mar 21 19:34:54 * Noisytoot joins Mar 21 19:34:56 * seabass (~sebastian@unaffiliated/seabass) has joined Mar 21 19:34:57 we want to see the load we can take Noisytoot it is for fun ! Mar 21 19:35:04 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 19:35:11 * lp-attendee05487 (b2738238@conference/libreplanet/x-ircnjkjfoxrepwcx) has joined Mar 21 19:35:13 It's slow Mar 21 19:35:19 Minetest will probably crash Mar 21 19:35:22 yep, everything is lagging on the stream heh Mar 21 19:35:35 The stream is down xd Mar 21 19:35:37 * lp-attendee53204 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:35:43 audio still works fine, just video is frozen Mar 21 19:35:43 laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag:) Mar 21 19:35:48 Haha, what a way to end :) Mar 21 19:35:54 * lp-attendee62403 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:35:57 * pgazz has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) Mar 21 19:36:00 Awesome job, everyone. Great conference. Mar 21 19:36:03 connecting to audio test Mar 21 19:36:19 Death to the server! Mar 21 19:36:34 really good conf Mar 21 19:36:52 cant wait to see everyone next year :') Mar 21 19:36:57 hopefully Mar 21 19:37:12 Thanks everyone!!! Mar 21 19:37:16 * lp-attendee02628 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 19:37:22 * djmedeir has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 19:37:31 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 19:37:31 transfer failed Mar 21 19:37:34 * louis771 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) Mar 21 19:37:47 * SomeHacker has quit (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number) Mar 21 19:37:48 * Onsemeliot has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:37:48 * lp-attendee16769 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:37:49 * louis771 (~louis@77-58-0-94.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined Mar 21 19:37:54 * lp-attendee84243 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:38:07 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 19:38:19 * mmaug has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:38:23 LibreAdventure will stay open Mar 21 19:38:28 What about Minetest? Mar 21 19:38:28 Let's bring back IRC daily, Hack in libreplanet! Mar 21 19:38:36 What's the URL of libreadventure? Mar 21 19:38:36 Yes Minestest too Mar 21 19:38:38 * lp-attendee10387 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-ffkiuscbqsamgcul) has joined Mar 21 19:38:39 continue the conversation @fr33d0m@mastodon.sdf.org Mar 21 19:38:45 at least until tomorrow :-) Mar 21 19:38:49 MINETEST FTW Mar 21 19:38:52 I never knew about it Mar 21 19:38:58 make pretty things :-) Mar 21 19:38:59 * lp-attendee10387 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 19:39:02 I did :) Mar 21 19:39:14 * lp-attendee11999 (ba4dcd12@conference/libreplanet/x-ckxygdwquombvupi) has joined Mar 21 19:39:15 * ritanagel has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 19:39:16 NICE it looks great ther e Mar 21 19:39:36 * blumenkiste (~user@2a02:908:fbd2:f680:c71a:9ed:5ba3:5915) has left ("ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.1)") Mar 21 19:39:41 hey Mar 21 19:39:46 j Mar 21 19:39:47 o Mar 21 19:39:48 k Mar 21 19:39:55 is over Mar 21 19:40:13 The server isn't dying. Mar 21 19:40:59 * Lunar^ (lunar---ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ejgcsekwqbsgqvmb) has left ("User left") Mar 21 19:41:18 * mrhedgehog0 has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) Mar 21 19:41:32 * Tawny (~Tawny@mob-109-113-198-247.net.vodafone.it) has left Mar 21 19:41:40 * dot0 has quit (Quit: leaving) Mar 21 19:41:40 * jimg has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 19:41:44 * n8fr8__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 19:41:46 thanks all Mar 21 19:41:48 Jupiter: "Its dead, Jim" Mar 21 19:41:51 ggoes, thank you! Mar 21 19:42:05 thanks for a great conference. i'll be drawing inspiration and courage from this for the year ahead Mar 21 19:42:08 * jxj has quit (Quit: Connection closed) Mar 21 19:42:23 * two-centz (~two-centz@cpe-74-75-90-132.ne.res.rr.com) has joined Mar 21 19:43:02 * lp-attendee05487 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:43:08 * neox has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 19:43:21 * polezaivsani (~polezaivs@orangeshoelaces.net) has left ("rcirc on GNU Emacs 27.1") Mar 21 19:43:35 Thanks for the wonderful conf! Mar 21 19:43:36 Who's Jim? Mar 21 19:43:44 thank you librepalnet Mar 21 19:43:48 2021 Mar 21 19:43:48 Idk if you go to the jupiter room it says that Mar 21 19:43:51 * technodweeb has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 19:44:01 I'll be in minetest to flood everything quickly Mar 21 19:44:03 Thank you #libreplanet 2021 Mar 21 19:44:07 Jim Kirk, captain of the Starship Enterprise Mar 21 19:44:08 bye! Happy hacking! Mar 21 19:44:16 * bkuhn (~bkuhn@conservancy/staff/bkuhn) has left ("ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.1)") Mar 21 19:44:21 See yall next year :) Mar 21 19:44:25 "He's dead, Jim!" was commonly said by his medical officer, Dr. McCoy Mar 21 19:44:42 ah :) Mar 21 19:44:48 * Hyp3rspace has quit (Quit: Hyp3rspace) Mar 21 19:44:51 * lp-attendee42488 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-nxbbcgiwcqikhsxk) has joined Mar 21 19:45:24 Why he is dead? Mar 21 19:45:39 * tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: tech_exorcist) Mar 21 19:45:45 :D Mar 21 19:45:50 * karmar281 has quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.1)) Mar 21 19:45:52 Dr. McCoy Mar 21 19:46:26 * lp-attendee42488 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 19:46:36 It's awesome phrase Mar 21 19:46:52 * lp-attendee21439 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:47:08 * rmharrison has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 19:47:16 * sbates has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 19:47:46 Bye! Mar 21 19:47:54 Dammit Jim! I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer! Mar 21 19:48:00 (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Mar 21 19:48:09 * wxie has quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.1)) Mar 21 19:48:21 * louis771 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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Mar 21 19:59:05 * vladomiro (~vladomiro@2806:266:401:140:21a:73ff:fe1a:3ecb) has left ("Leaving") Mar 21 19:59:19 * louis771 (~louis@77-58-0-94.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined Mar 21 19:59:37 Thanks for the awesome (and my first) libreplanet! Mar 21 19:59:45 mattlav1 What day send the Certificate of Attendance? Mar 21 19:59:52 Indignation: I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thank you for attending! Mar 21 20:00:32 Looks like Richard Stallman was the by far most popular speaker for some reason. That one is using tons of bandwidth. Thanks, LibrePlanet organizers. Mar 21 20:01:22 * lp-attendee43395 (67cc2770@conference/libreplanet/x-rkrevfhfvijqtsxt) has joined Mar 21 20:01:28 * demonfell (~user@c-76-127-154-36.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 20:01:45 Good night, I'll email you tomorrow craigt - and thanks again, I was really excited :-) Mar 21 20:02:04 Indignation: :) Mar 21 20:02:13 * lp-attendee43395 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 20:02:25 * Indignation has quit (Quit: Quit) Mar 21 20:02:28 * NoScript-ma1 has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 20:02:40 Thanks a lot for the wonderful Libreplanet: it was my first one and I enjoyed it a lot!! :-) Mar 21 20:03:00 * adfeno has quit (Quit: adfeno) Mar 21 20:03:10 Thank you Gimmi Mar 21 20:03:39 * scm has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 20:03:50 It is a pity that I discovered LibreAdventure the last day. What a wonderful place :D Mar 21 20:04:04 wait it's the last day? Mar 21 20:04:11 great event! It was a lot of fun. Mar 21 20:04:22 CrystalMath, there's a licensing seminar tomorrow IIRC Mar 21 20:04:53 anyway, I've got to go Mar 21 20:05:00 it's 11PM here in the UK Mar 21 20:05:10 I need to ZZZZzzzz :) Mar 21 20:05:11 CrystalMath: libreAdventure is open until tomorrow Mar 21 20:05:33 Goodnight! It's 12AM here but... Mar 21 20:05:34 i see, yes it is kind of interesting, though it didn't fully work for me Mar 21 20:05:39 * xbx has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 20:06:03 night almaember :) Mar 21 20:06:29 * demonfell has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Mar 21 20:06:30 namely, the conferencing features didn't work, but it's perhaps because of my internet connection Mar 21 20:06:31 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 20:06:33 * seabass has quit (Quit: Bye!) Mar 21 20:08:09 I am also leaving, bye! Mar 21 20:08:22 * ace_ (~ace@2601:1c0:6d04:3e60:3cfc:6070:5edb:5801) has left ("Konversation terminated!") Mar 21 20:08:28 Chaekyung: for some reason!? the guy invented free software! Mar 21 20:08:41 * lp-attendee78275 (2d7e1a15@conference/libreplanet/x-sepwbadeumzjkdfq) has joined Mar 21 20:09:49 * louis771 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Mar 21 20:10:00 * rollom (~rollom@146.199.191.222) has left ("Konversation terminated!") Mar 21 20:10:04 * louis771 (~louis@77-58-0-94.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined Mar 21 20:10:32 * paul-securepairs has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 20:10:56 * walterbender50 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) Mar 21 20:11:40 CrystalMath: He started the free software movement, the concept of free software, and the sharing of free software, code, contributions, etc. existed before him though. Mar 21 20:12:07 Anyone knows if there will be a world download for minetest? Mar 21 20:12:25 * Indignation (~Indignati@ip5f5bf99f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined Mar 21 20:12:35 oh that would be neat Mar 21 20:12:47 amelia_: that's accurate, but not as catchy as simply saying "he invented free software" Mar 21 20:14:13 True, but catchy falsehoods are still falsehoods. Mar 21 20:15:51 well, as a huge fan of rms i like to say it Mar 21 20:16:17 I agree it's more accurate to say he started the free software movement Mar 21 20:16:26 * _neox_ is now known as neox Mar 21 20:16:30 RMS invented free software though? He's a good guy. I don't understand why some people jump to accusations in mainstream media. Mar 21 20:16:49 Yes, but being fanatical to the stage where you're saying things that are patently false does more harm than good Mar 21 20:17:02 rms seems to appreciate clarity and accuracy in language a lot, so I bet he would not appreciate being called “the inventor of free software”. Mar 21 20:17:14 There's enough confusion and division. Stick to the facts, clear and concise, that's how you win hearts and minds. Mar 21 20:17:15 * neox is now known as _neox_ Mar 21 20:17:23 Announ: ++ Mar 21 20:17:31 RMS didn't invent it, the reason he started the free software movement was that he was used to software being free, it was like that, and then those evil corporations came and tried to take that freedom away Mar 21 20:17:44 they wouldn't give him the source for a printer driver Mar 21 20:17:52 Well, amelia_, from what I've heard today you aren't very pro-rms at all, so that might be why you refuse to call him the inventor of free software Mar 21 20:17:57 and that made RMS so upset he started the free software movement. Mar 21 20:18:19 amelia_: fine... i personally see a lot more value in being laid-back and less strict about things Mar 21 20:18:20 I would say RMS popularized free software (to the degree it's popular) Mar 21 20:19:02 But the idea really didn't have a name or a face before. When RMS announced GNU on a mailing list nobody thought it would be possible. Mar 21 20:19:12 Indignation: What have you "heard" to make such a farcical claim? Mar 21 20:19:15 So saying he "invented" it really isn't that faro ff. Mar 21 20:19:17 I refuse to call him something he isn't. Mar 21 20:19:26 he created the concept of free software Mar 21 20:19:26 That's a literal black-and-white fact. Mar 21 20:19:44 it was free before he said it, but no one talked on the concept Mar 21 20:19:56 Well, no, because both the concept and the practical implementation existed pre-rms, but ok *shrugs* Mar 21 20:20:14 He started a movement, and has done amazing things with it. Is that not enough? Mar 21 20:20:26 i know, but like... let me think of an example... fans often call the people they're fans of things that aren't quite accurate, but exaggerated Mar 21 20:20:37 too bad haxor news don't care about rms as much as gab users https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26534696 Mar 21 20:20:41 If you need to fudge facts or make things up for your argument, then you're doing his actual work a great disservice. Mar 21 20:20:54 I believe the concept didn't exist before. There was hacker culture, but there wasn't free software. Mar 21 20:21:09 Not sure Gab users are really a good metric for anything tbh Mar 21 20:21:16 i've heard people call Chuck Norris "god"... clearly that's inaccurate, but i don't go and correct them because i realize what they're doing Mar 21 20:21:30 amelia_: they are. that's where it's at. Mar 21 20:21:32 * jpnc (~qumak@2603-8000-ae00-e889-d72c-3caa-7e54-8f29.res6.spectrum.com) has left ("Leaving") Mar 21 20:21:33 At least in the US, software wasn't always copyrightable. So if you got source code back then you had freedom, even though no one called it that. Mar 21 20:21:46 jxself: indeed Mar 21 20:22:06 CrystalMath: They are clearly joking, thatʼs what they are doing. Inaccurate statements about rms and free software might be easily misconstrued. Mar 21 20:22:26 The concept of using copyright against it's purpose was introduced by rms, right? Mar 21 20:22:36 So many folk quick to jump on me for simply stating the truth. Zealotry with hostility towards any dissenting thought, even a provably correct one, is not a good look. Mar 21 20:23:01 amelia_: regardless of what kind of site you think that is, and what it really is, the simple reality is that if I post whatever on twitter, federated fediverse and gab I get like 5 notifications on twitter, perhaps 10 on the federated fediverse and 200 at Gab. It's just popular, don't ask me why. Mar 21 20:23:05 Indignation: Still waiting for you to cite your sources for what you've "heard" ... Mar 21 20:23:14 I just don't understand why there are people here trying to make RMS look bad, or belittling the movement he created. Mar 21 20:23:29 Nobody is trying to make him look bad or belittling the movement? Mar 21 20:23:56 I said that spreading falsehoods does a disservice, and promoted the stuff he ACTUALLY did, which is exactly what supporters *should* do Mar 21 20:23:58 tBut ok :) Mar 21 20:24:02 I've been following the IRC chat for the past two days, and you always interjected negatively about RMS. I don't idolize him, but I do believe he is one of the core figures of the movement. Mar 21 20:24:06 amelia_: but i'm not being hostile, i'm just explaining that my statement was meant to be a hyperbole, i'm more confused than anything about your stance on this Mar 21 20:24:45 and i think hyperboles, metaphores, and other stuff should be used in speech more often... life's too short to be accurate about things Mar 21 20:24:49 You're confused by fact vs. fiction, and causing confusion in what can already be a difficult enough concept to get across to people? Mar 21 20:25:02 amelia_, he conceptualized the notion of free software. software that respected users' freedom existed before, but nobody (AFAIK) had considered applying the notion of freedom to software, or to its users. the four freedoms, i.e., the free software definition is yet another of his inventions Mar 21 20:25:18 Given what a sticker for accuracy rms is, "life's too short to be accurate" seems farcical Mar 21 20:25:30 can i get a tl'dr of what they're circlejerking about? Mar 21 20:25:37 Formalized it, gave it a structure and philosophy and etc. For all practical purposes you could say he invented it. Mar 21 20:25:43 * lp-attendee28788 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 20:25:44 y..yeah... that is true, i guess i'm not like him in that regard at all, but i'm still a fan Mar 21 20:25:46 Wether RMS has invented free software or not kbtor_ Mar 21 20:25:50 kbtor_: someone claimed rms invented free software, and didn't like being corrected Mar 21 20:26:07 someone denied rms invented free software, and didn't like being corrected ;-) Mar 21 20:26:09 i did say "fine" Mar 21 20:26:26 amelia_ you might not want to call it inventing, but at the end of the day that's what he did Mar 21 20:26:35 I guess it would be fair to say that RMS invented free software licenses? or did the mit license predate him/gnu gpl? Mar 21 20:26:44 He invented free software. A concept that never existed in the shape he propagated and exercised it in beforem Mar 21 20:27:00 i still think that in a in a spiritual not literal kind of way, rms invented free software Mar 21 20:27:02 people who reject free software and its leader usually don't have a problem applying the term linux liberally all over, even to gnu things Mar 21 20:27:06 * n8fr8__ (~n8fr8too@209.6.139.66) has joined Mar 21 20:27:16 lxo agreed Mar 21 20:27:29 * noordinaryspider has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 20:27:32 There is a difference between the concept and the actual thing. Mar 21 20:27:34 What's this "Linux" thing? Oh right; something that GNU uses... :) Mar 21 20:27:35 * tpefreedom has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 20:27:46 I think it is important that we unite as a movement. And stop wars about wether or not our leaders did xy Mar 21 20:27:47 Indignation: What exactly is your problem? You've made a ridiculous claim against me, provided no basis for it, despite repeated requests... what gives? Mar 21 20:28:00 free software also has multiple identities: the software that respects users freedoms, the definition, the philosophy, the movement... he came up with nearly all of them Mar 21 20:28:13 jxself: There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of it's kernels ;) Mar 21 20:28:29 * senux has quit (Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish.) Mar 21 20:28:43 Indignation, knowing history is important, though Mar 21 20:28:53 * lp-attendee62503 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 20:28:55 i didn't want any hostility to start Mar 21 20:29:09 amelia_ i said your hostile towards pro-rms, and the last couple exchanges prove that already. I think you're expressing yourself very one-sided. Mar 21 20:29:16 Analogy: Many chemical substances have always existed, but the people that find them, care about them, name them, etc. are not their “inventors”. Mar 21 20:29:21 i don't have time to read this carefully and it's an important conversation, but please try not to be too hostile to each other Mar 21 20:29:57 it's not hostility, just a debate Mar 21 20:29:59 Indignation: I haven't been hostile towards anyone, you're the one making assumptions and false claims. Mar 21 20:30:02 the "catchy" thing was kind of a joke meant to reference the fact that what i said is indeed not accurate, but *feels* correct Mar 21 20:30:06 Announ, who invented dynamite? Mar 21 20:30:11 ♫ Join is now and share the software... ♫ Mar 21 20:30:13 oops Mar 21 20:30:15 It's approaching 1 am here and i gotta go to school tomorrow. Good night! Mar 21 20:30:16 I've never said anything that wasn't pro-rms, never mind "anti-"rms Mar 21 20:30:17 ♫ Join us now and share the software... ♫ Mar 21 20:30:22 debates are fine; just a request to be civil Mar 21 20:30:26 * lp-attendee07258 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 20:30:31 * lp-attendee70011 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-qzysrxoywupqzvum) has joined Mar 21 20:30:35 is anyone still here? Mar 21 20:30:37 We'll be free, hackers, we'll be freeeeee-eee-eeeeeeee Mar 21 20:30:40 lxo: No idea. 😆 Mar 21 20:30:45 lp-attendee70011: lots of us :P Mar 21 20:30:50 haha cool Mar 21 20:30:54 * Gimmi has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 20:30:54 lp-attendee70011: Although the conference is officially over. Mar 21 20:31:01 i was so in and out this weekend I missed too much Mar 21 20:31:03 this playlist is kinda awesome tho Mar 21 20:31:07 I want to watch RMS's talk Mar 21 20:31:12 Who was the 3rd libreplanet trivia winner? Mar 21 20:31:14 I agree kbtor_! Mar 21 20:31:19 * louis771 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) Mar 21 20:31:22 lp-attendee70011: i missed the beginning of it as well, and would like to see it Mar 21 20:31:27 is there a link to RMS' talk? Mar 21 20:31:30 sadly not yet Mar 21 20:31:32 lp-attendee70011: The recordings are expected to be available around the end of the month on media.libreplanet.org. Mar 21 20:31:32 Indignation: someone named gimmi is all i know Mar 21 20:31:35 * louis771 (~louis@77-58-0-94.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined Mar 21 20:31:35 ok, good, your response acks there is an inventor, even if you don't know who it is. now, per your argument, that person would only be the inventor if that chemical substance had never come up before in nature, right? Mar 21 20:31:36 Theyll upload it in a few weeks Mar 21 20:31:37 Goodbye everyone! It was a great conference, my first one, and have a great rest of your day! Thank you, and good night! Mar 21 20:31:41 CrystalMath funny username Mar 21 20:31:43 thanks almaember Mar 21 20:31:44 * n8fr8__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 21 20:31:58 a few weeks? aww Mar 21 20:32:00 ggoes: Nothing civil about false accusations from hostile liars, but of course that never gets dealt with because brown-nosers can do no wrong Mar 21 20:32:01 lp-attendee70011: I think this is RMS's talk https://peertube.1312.media/videos/watch/eafc5291-ec1a-4eff-a01a-09339c25e3a2 Mar 21 20:32:04 oh well, something to look forward to Mar 21 20:32:07 * almaember has quit (Quit: Goodbye) Mar 21 20:32:08 lp-attendee70011: and that was exactly my reaction Mar 21 20:32:14 https://linuxreviews.org/Richard_Stallman:_Unjust_computing_clamps_down Mar 21 20:32:19 Bye! :) Mar 21 20:32:28 bye almaember Mar 21 20:32:32 lxo: Yes, thatʼs what I say. Mar 21 20:32:38 * Indignation has quit (Quit: Quit) Mar 21 20:32:39 pert: Seems not the full thing. Mar 21 20:32:53 Dynamite is a mixture that someone had to create, so there is an inventor. Mar 21 20:33:01 wow thank you amelia_ is that the whole video AWESOME Mar 21 20:33:11 Enjoy! Mar 21 20:33:19 oh it's okay if its not the whole thing, I'll be happy just to see part of it for now Mar 21 20:34:19 * almaember (~almaember@178-164-219-207.pool.digikabel.hu) has joined Mar 21 20:34:26 from what I saw, this was an excellent LibrePlanet conference and an OK LinkinPark convention Mar 21 20:34:40 * launchd (examknow@bitbot/examknow) has left Mar 21 20:34:44 That peertube link is it, it's missing like 1-2 minutes at the beginning but it's basically the same Mar 21 20:35:26 * flosss has quit (Quit: NixNet Services - https://nixnet.services) Mar 21 20:35:27 * senux (~senux@172.92.138.143) has joined Mar 21 20:36:03 lp-attendee70011: videos should be up at https://media.libreplanet.org/ in a couple of weeks :) Mar 21 20:36:21 29 or 30 Mar 21 20:36:27 of march Mar 21 20:36:28 thank you! Mar 21 20:36:37 ggoes: That's an estimate, not a guarantee. Mar 21 20:36:42 well, it's quite unlikely that such a simple chemical wouldn't have come up by nature. but the person who identified it got rich with the patent for his invention. so rich that he set up a fund to give millionaire prizes to scientists yearly. this has been going for over a century. his name was Alfred Nobel. you've certainly heard of the awards named after him, given out of those funds Mar 21 20:36:44 true amelia_ Mar 21 20:36:44 Is it not? Mar 21 20:36:53 but i feel fairly confident about it Mar 21 20:36:55 ^ Announ Mar 21 20:36:56 heh Mar 21 20:38:05 lxo: Interesting! I didnʼt know that! Mar 21 20:38:56 any of you attend fosdem? Mar 21 20:39:00 just one comment tho, on this debate on rms, we as a community need to get bigger than our leader Mar 21 20:39:12 no matter how big he is Mar 21 20:39:29 we should stand by our principles no by our affection towards person Mar 21 20:39:52 and we certainly will need to overcome the loss of rms one way or the other Mar 21 20:39:56 sooner or later Mar 21 20:39:58 that is important for the sake of our longevity as a movement; he just turned 68 Mar 21 20:40:20 It's being worked on in GNU, at least. Mar 21 20:40:36 madage, as long as that's not used as an excuse to push him aside, sure Mar 21 20:41:30 * inknos__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 20:41:30 lxo: agreed, we should not try to push him outside Mar 21 20:41:35 Yes; such work should happen with his involvement. Mar 21 20:41:37 also agree Mar 21 20:41:41 it would be rather lame to do that Mar 21 20:41:48 amen Mar 21 20:41:51 It's been attempted. Mar 21 20:41:58 and it was rather lame Mar 21 20:42:10 some might say it still is Mar 21 20:42:28 * lightweight (cb769f3f@conference/libreplanet/x-wglcbtjunganazuu) has joined Mar 21 20:42:39 It does seem to have calmed down at least in some ways. The people that were trying to storm the castle don't seem to be actively doing that at the moment. Mar 21 20:42:50 * mjw has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 20:42:57 but it scares me the most that people become alienated without someone as him in the post Mar 21 20:43:19 I was thinking today of emailing him Mar 21 20:43:33 in such a way as to say that he should care to establish a continuity Mar 21 20:43:40 * lightweight has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 20:43:44 and give some hints on people he is confident can take the burden Mar 21 20:44:04 * oss9 (~oss9@dslb-084-057-073-163.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined Mar 21 20:44:16 +1 Mar 21 20:44:36 * Vejeta` (~user@fsf/member/vejeta) has joined Mar 21 20:44:43 It's being worked on in GNU, at least. He's made that commitment already although things like this take a long time. Mar 21 20:45:08 * kiwilightweight (cb769f3f@conference/libreplanet/x-lbpowajkijxikucu) has joined Mar 21 20:45:36 * demonfell (~user@c-76-127-154-36.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined Mar 21 20:45:38 * louis771 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Mar 21 20:45:41 he's well aware of it, and has been working on it. but it ain't easy. there won't ever be another rms. we'll need a team with experience of working well together to hold things together when he's gone Mar 21 20:46:17 * lp-attendee15850 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 20:46:34 * Vejeta has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) Mar 21 20:47:05 Stuff's been held together pretty well for the past 18 months, no? Mar 21 20:47:19 why was rms removed again? Mar 21 20:47:20 At least, nothing seems to have fallen apart or become a dumpster fire? Mar 21 20:47:22 i would hope the future has many people as passionate about FS as rms, not just a single passionate successor Mar 21 20:47:34 * gknauth (~user@2601:98b:4402:6f8f:8d8a:987a:8aca:3aa) has left ("ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.1)") Mar 21 20:47:44 amelia_, if you think it has, you haven't been paying attention Mar 21 20:48:06 if anything, this attempt has shown that a few committed people can do a lot of damage to the movement they claim to support Mar 21 20:48:23 ggoes: that's more like what I envision as well Mar 21 20:48:30 maybe he'll become holy Mar 21 20:48:34 even while believing to defend it Mar 21 20:48:39 and no one succeeds Mar 21 20:48:43 * tpefreedom (~tsomers@184-157-240-110.dyn.centurytel.net) has joined Mar 21 20:48:55 but there's a trust body Mar 21 20:49:01 group Mar 21 20:49:04 committee Mar 21 20:49:06 lxo: It was an open question, not an absolute statement. Mar 21 20:49:08 or what have you Mar 21 20:49:13 kbtor, he was not removed. he resigned to protect the fsf from attacks directed at him Mar 21 20:49:31 Yes, that seems a common misunderstanding. Mar 21 20:49:41 * bashrc has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) Mar 21 20:49:41 ok but why Mar 21 20:49:43 Perhaps rather than being defensive as heck you could engage in good faith? Especially since you're claiming to support the movement after all... Mar 21 20:50:02 * ppisa (~pi@ip-94-112-11-73.net.upcbroadband.cz) has left ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org") Mar 21 20:50:04 * senux has quit (Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish.) Mar 21 20:50:25 amelia_, I see, sorry, it didn't quite look that way, I hope I've given you enough of an answer anyway. please let me know otherwise Mar 21 20:51:07 * mattlav1 (~mattlav1@fsf/staff/mattlav1) has left Mar 21 20:51:15 * RobertLRead has quit (Quit: Connection closed) Mar 21 20:52:01 kbtor, because a media storm formed around horrible distortions of something he wrote in an MIT internal mailing list, and a number of opportunists who'd long had grudges with him took up the opportunity to attack him in the flanks opened by the media storm, pretending their longstanding grudges had anything to do with it Mar 21 20:52:49 idk who those opportunists were but i'm not one of them Mar 21 20:53:00 * KUrare has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) Mar 21 20:53:12 anyway, lp is over, and we have to rest, so we can't watch the channel extremely actively anymore Mar 21 20:53:15 ggoes, is there any reason for anyone to think you might be? Mar 21 20:53:36 possibly referring to people in the Gnome project, who admitted to saying things about the matter because of grudges Mar 21 20:53:43 ggoes: Yes, go have a rest - you deserve it! :) Mar 21 20:53:46 i often worry people do Mar 21 20:53:48 thanks all Mar 21 20:53:54 lxo: I respect your work a lot and I use your kernel, but I think we should no focus on taking sides on this convo anymore, we should be gathering aroung goals and free software Mar 21 20:54:06 I guess I missed something major while I was unable to attend all but the late sessions today. RMS is on the board again? Mar 21 20:54:16 dctrud: yes :) Mar 21 20:54:17 I see. I'm glad I asked you to clarify that point Mar 21 20:54:20 Yes, he's back although as a board member not President. Mar 21 20:54:25 the public image of rms is what it is and it shouldn't be what matters most Mar 21 20:54:25 lxo: I literally asked two questions. You immediately jumped on the defensive in quite a hostile manner, which you've done a number of times. That kind of attitude prevents discourse and promotes an echo chamber where only people who share your precise viewpoint are deemed worthy of engagement. Community building depends on being able to engage with good faith and patience, not hot-headedness and zealotry. It's not conducive to a Mar 21 20:54:26 functional environment. Mar 21 20:54:54 amelia_, fair criticism. I hear you Mar 21 20:55:10 Was there an explanation of the circumstances that enabled this to happen? Mar 21 20:55:23 lxo provided one earlier. Mar 21 20:55:39 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 20:56:09 * danam (~danam@fsf/staff/danam) has left Mar 21 20:56:19 He resigned to protect the FSF. Fortunately the attempt to storm the castle and also wrest control of the GNU Project from him was unsuccessful. Mar 21 20:56:42 yeah.. I'm not on your side of that 'storm the castle' argument Mar 21 20:56:44 dctrud, speaking only for myself, the media storm abated long ago, the other opportunistic attack flanks lasted a little longer, but IMHO RMS should have been reinstated long ago Mar 21 20:56:45 there will be people standing to defend him and to attack him for the forseeable future Mar 21 20:57:04 * ChanServ removes channel operator status from ggoes Mar 21 20:57:11 and it's just what happens to people like him who ahppen to stand strong Mar 21 20:57:39 I'll be one of those seeing myself out the door now then, sadly. Good luck to you all. Mar 21 20:57:41 but what unites us shouldn't be what side we take on one comment or other, or opinioon that he had Mar 21 20:57:57 but on the standards that he defended and put forward Mar 21 20:58:18 * lp-attendee80371 (b9ba1e59@conference/libreplanet/x-mfdwzokjinfdmwpm) has joined Mar 21 20:58:26 who the fuck is rms Mar 21 20:58:28 I hope the FSF can be encourage to put out some form of official communication on how this has come about, and the reasons why it is okay now. Mar 21 20:58:33 Be well, dctrud Mar 21 20:58:38 g'night all Mar 21 20:58:41 * dctrud (~dctrud@cpe-70-119-156-105.tx.res.rr.com) has left Mar 21 20:58:43 gnight nigga Mar 21 20:58:43 ggoes, have a great rest (sorry, I've only just read your message about it, that I missed before) thanks for all the work into lp, and for the fsf and the fs movement Mar 21 20:58:44 lp-attendee80371 Richard M Stallman, founder of the FSF Mar 21 20:58:45 love ya Mar 21 20:58:51 * lp-attendee80371 has quit (Client Quit) Mar 21 20:58:51 thanks lxo Mar 21 20:59:44 what are you working on lxo? Mar 21 21:00:02 * dorian_greyscale has quit (Quit: Leaving) Mar 21 21:00:15 ok good night for real this time Mar 21 21:01:54 kbtor, my paying job is at AdaCore, in GCC. I'm contributing (not as much as I'd like) to Libre-SOC, because I believe in the project and I think of it as a stepping stone for the 0G Project. I also devote some time to GNU Linux-libre on behalf of FSF Latin America Mar 21 21:02:00 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 21:02:09 lp-attendee11999 lp-attendee22188 lp-attendee23943 lp-attendee31085 lp-attendee34477 lp-attendee58451 lp-attendee70011 lp-attendee78275 Mar 21 21:02:18 * lp-attendee58071 (ba5620fc@conference/libreplanet/x-ajnbzakjnqmbodoz) has joined Mar 21 21:02:22 * ephemeralwaves (~ephemeral@static-173-75-39-61.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) has left ("The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat") Mar 21 21:02:28 lxo: is there a chance that you return to the board? Mar 21 21:02:41 * SomeHacker (~somehacke@gateway/tor-sasl/somehacker) has joined Mar 21 21:02:54 lp-attendee80371, this is not appropriate language for this channel Mar 21 21:03:10 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to ggoes Mar 21 21:03:33 * demonfell (~user@c-76-127-154-36.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has left ("ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.1)") Mar 21 21:03:39 was going to kick but they left Mar 21 21:03:49 * ChanServ removes channel operator status from ggoes Mar 21 21:03:52 okay good night for REAL Mar 21 21:04:01 ixo: thank you Mar 21 21:04:03 Aren't you supposed to be resting? Mar 21 21:04:13 * n8fr8__ (~n8fr8too@209.6.139.66) has joined Mar 21 21:04:21 CrystalMath, I would be happy if that happened. I have much learning to do about expressing myself clearly first. I really messed up in my end-of-year blog post. I really meant to support the FSF with it, but I understand it didn't come out that way Mar 21 21:06:47 one little secret I can share now is that at that time, when I wrote about campaigning for RMS to return to the board, the decision to reinstate him had very nearly already been made. people who didn't know about that may have taken it as pressure on the fsf, but it really wasn't Mar 21 21:07:26 lxo: honestly i don't see why being a board member means you cannot criticize your organization Mar 21 21:07:49 it was my foolish attempt to tell people we were nearly there, and their contributions to the fsf would not be wasted Mar 21 21:07:51 on the ReactOS project, i'm on a short list for a lot of things, but i still openly criticize it Mar 21 21:08:13 * twsaari has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 21:08:38 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 21:08:47 the fsf, and thus the board, should not cede to pressure. it's supposed to be driven by its mission charter, values and principles, not by pressure. pressure distracts from that Mar 21 21:08:48 i just don't think it's wrong to criticize the organization you're helping to run Mar 21 21:09:16 * lp-attendee58071 has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 21:09:23 * n8fr8__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) Mar 21 21:09:27 IIUC (and I could be wrong in this understanding) criticizing per se is not bad, it's the pressure it may create that is bad Mar 21 21:10:27 i don't think there's a way to avoid pressure from anyone, and that includes the board members Mar 21 21:10:29 * alper_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Mar 21 21:10:37 that's right Mar 21 21:10:43 after all, it was pressure that made the AGPLv3 a separate license, it was pressure that made RMS quit in the first place Mar 21 21:10:58 there will be enough pressure from the outside without board members competing for public attention to drive pressure Mar 21 21:10:59 why is pressure from Google okay, but pressure from lxo not? Mar 21 21:11:39 i think that board members kinda have an obligation to pressure the organization to become better Mar 21 21:12:31 but i understand why one might want to quit if there are serious differences in opinion on what "better" means Mar 21 21:12:42 * kbtor has quit (Quit: LibrePlanet - https://libreplanet.org) Mar 21 21:12:43 neither is desirable. google doesn't get to vote. board members should be friendly and cooperate in directing the organization, even when there are disagreements. drawing the public to protest around the board mystic round table isn't conducive of serene reasoning Mar 21 21:13:25 * jrasata (~andreas@fsf/staff/jrasata) has left Mar 21 21:13:45 jrasata, missed you :-( Mar 21 21:13:46 * kbtor_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Mar 21 21:14:12 * kbtor_ (~kbtor@2603-7000-4b40-00fc-0000-0000-0000-1911.res6.spectrum.com) has joined Mar 21 21:14:29 * iglpdc has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.1) Mar 21 21:14:37 lxo: okay, i think i see what you mean Mar 21 21:15:05 that was a hard lesson for me to learn. I hope I got it this time Mar 21 21:15:25 well, you still lead FSFLA Mar 21 21:16:27 I wouldn't agree to that. I don't think of myself as a leader, I don't think I'm a good one, but if others at FSFLA see me that way, that might explain the significant lack of action there :-) Mar 21 21:17:30 * tpefreedom (~tsomers@184-157-240-110.dyn.centurytel.net) has left Mar 21 21:17:36 Hope Alex Oliva can return t FSF board as well Mar 21 21:17:45 t=>to Mar 21 21:18:00 it's good to be part of it, it's a very committed group Mar 21 21:18:33 * dot0 (~dot0@fsf/member/bl0tt0) has joined Mar 21 21:18:37 I remain a voting member at the FSF, and I'm also a member of the GNU Advisory Committee, so I certainly can't complain that my plate isn't full :-) Mar 21 21:18:49 lxo: thanks for your work on gnu linux-libre and freed-ora Mar 21 21:18:54 atai, thanks for the encouragement, it's appreciated Mar 21 21:19:59 iko, I'm glad you find them useful. a good moment for me to point out that I'm looking for someone else to maintain freed-ora. I don't use it any more, so I don't even know whether the builds I'm putting out still work Mar 21 21:20:09 Yes, thanks for linux-libre. Mar 21 21:20:36 * Announ has quit (Quit: Announ) Mar 21 21:20:36 * lp-attendee60033 (00000000@conference/libreplanet/x-hocnwctknffeqgwz) has joined Mar 21 21:21:16 lxo: although I don't use fedora at the moment, but did for a few years and was happy to come across freed-ora, still recommend to people :) Mar 21 21:21:23 * Vejeta`` (~user@fsf/member/vejeta) has joined Mar 21 21:21:26 linux-libre enables Guix to become popular now. GNU system is finally on good march to become reality Mar 21 21:21:28 it was great talking to you all. time for some food. 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