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2021-06-12 00:24:18	@bagira	r0bby, i can almost relate to that.  One time I changed phone carriers and ever since then the steel rod in my femur aches every time it rains.  This is clearly verizon's fault.
2021-06-12 00:25:09	@bagira	And not in any way related to me falling off a uhaul and landing on my knee a few weeks later.
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2021-06-12 00:27:39	@bagira	Darren, it's a false premise; there is not a data incident to report.
2021-06-12 00:28:27	--	Mode #freenode [-mz] by bagira
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2021-06-12 00:30:20	Darren	Can you elaborate a little on that? My understanding was that there had been an incident whereby plain-text passwords could have been viewed by individuals. Is that not the case?
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2021-06-12 00:32:53	@bagira	Darren, no it's really not.  It's kind of hard to elaborate on a fictional event.
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2021-06-12 00:34:08	Darren	I'm sorry if I've misunderstood, just going off the network notice that went out about it. Have tried to look on the freenode website as it seems to suggest, but can't see anything there. Can you explain what the notice was meaning, then?
2021-06-12 00:34:42	Darren	This is the notice I'm referring to, if it helps clarify my question: 04:45:21 <global> [Network Notice] rasengan - Services went down at 8:28AM PST until 8:56AM PST. During this time, we discovered the NickServ nick was not locked on some servers. One of our staff members quickly reserved the nick and set +g until Services was restored. Stay tuned for announcements at https://freenode.net - we have many exciting things to share with you!
2021-06-12 00:34:43	Darren	Let's enjoy freenode, together!
2021-06-12 00:35:53	@bagira	Darren, no worries; services went down briefly earlier in the week, and one of our onboarding staff plugged the nick with a bot set as +g to prevent a potential leak until services went back up.
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2021-06-12 00:37:02	hawtre	Does this staff member have access to plaintext passwords as part of their position here?
2021-06-12 00:37:06	angerctl	So the passwords went to a staff member instead? How do we know that nobody else /nick'ed to NickServ before staff noticed?
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2021-06-12 00:37:16	Darren	Okay, so there's no possibility that anybody was able to sit on that nick for any duration between services going down and your staff member claiming it?
2021-06-12 00:37:17	blackbeard420	why would the passwords be stored plaintext to begin with?
2021-06-12 00:37:22	niak	You know what's wrong with that?
2021-06-12 00:37:35	niak	You guys should have used the RESV function that is in the ircd.
2021-06-12 00:37:40	@bagira	hawtre, angerctl please check the definition for +g so that you don't misinform people through an education gap.
2021-06-12 00:37:40	balrog	Is there any comment regarding the recent FSF announcement?
2021-06-12 00:37:49	Darren	I think it's the transmission of them not the storage, niak
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2021-06-12 00:37:58	oxek	balrog: not really anything for freenode to comment on
2021-06-12 00:37:59	@bagira	niak, we have RESV now but obviously inherited the servers from another team.
2021-06-12 00:38:11	niak	you can use RESV on delinked servers.
2021-06-12 00:38:27	niak	or linked servers
2021-06-12 00:38:29	niak	regardless
2021-06-12 00:38:40	@bagira	niak, congratulations on knowing that
2021-06-12 00:39:04	Pricey	bagira: Stupid question. I see more than 1 "is now known as nickserv" in my logs. Is the account above definitely accurate?
2021-06-12 00:39:07	Darren	Sorry bagira , you might have missed a question from me above in the flurry of messages
2021-06-12 00:39:25	angerctl	bagira: I stated two questions, nothing more.
2021-06-12 00:39:27	niak	there are 2 exploits that exsist in the IRCD right now. Should start moving the network to solanum
2021-06-12 00:39:31	niak	exist*
2021-06-12 00:39:33	@bagira	Darren, there is 0% possibility of that scenario.
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2021-06-12 00:39:50	oxek	niak: you're talking about the charybdis exploits?
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2021-06-12 00:39:58	Darren	Can you give some comfort as to what sort of audit you've done to confirm that?
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2021-06-12 00:40:06	@bagira	angerctl, google search terms are "+g usermode freenode"
2021-06-12 00:40:17	Pricey	Darren: I'm confused because my logs show 2 "is now known as nickserv"s in my logs..
2021-06-12 00:40:20	niak	ircd-seven hasn't been updated for quite some years
2021-06-12 00:40:26	niak	Also found a crash today so
2021-06-12 00:40:27	niak	yeah
2021-06-12 00:40:32	@bagira	Darren, No.  Thank you for asking.
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2021-06-12 00:40:46	angerctl	bagira: is that how you handle questions from non-technical users?
2021-06-12 00:40:53	niak	If I wanted to be a prick, I could crash the entire network with that bug
2021-06-12 00:40:56	niak	But I am not a prick.
2021-06-12 00:41:00	@bagira	angerctl, Yes.  Thank you for asking.
2021-06-12 00:41:12	blackbeard420	if it was that easy niak then efnetters would have done it already
2021-06-12 00:41:27	Hash	Efnet ircd doesn't have services
2021-06-12 00:41:29	niak	this isn't ratbox.
2021-06-12 00:41:36	oper5erv	oh, yeah, RESV ?
2021-06-12 00:41:46	niak	ratbox and charybdis diverged a while ago
2021-06-12 00:41:47	Hash	If I wanted to be a prick, I could crash the entire network with that bug <- Trump used to say stuff like that.
2021-06-12 00:41:47	Darren	bagira: Sorry, why can't you explain how you can be sure it hasn't happened?
2021-06-12 00:41:52	@bagira	oper5erv, change that nick please
2021-06-12 00:41:58	oxek	niak: afaik those charybdis bugs are patched in the ircd-seven fork used on freenode, unless you're talking about something revealed in the last ~2 weeks
2021-06-12 00:42:10	@bagira	Darren, I think you are confusing permission or capability with willingness.
2021-06-12 00:42:23	niak	it's something I found today that's sort of like the slow bug existed a while ago
2021-06-12 00:42:34	niak	that*
2021-06-12 00:42:35	Hash	I could be a sociopath, but I'm not going to, so give me credit for not doing evil...
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2021-06-12 00:42:38	Hash	That's not how it works :)
2021-06-12 00:42:59	oxek	niak: have you informed freenode staff about it?
2021-06-12 00:43:10	Pricey	bagira: I see two people "/nick nickserv"ing in my logs. But your account above says only mentions a staffer doing so. I'm confused?
2021-06-12 00:43:17	niak	Why do I need to?
2021-06-12 00:43:19	niak	Not my net
2021-06-12 00:43:19	Hash	04:42:53 pm niak | im trolling <- Don't message me. Don't troll. Use your time in this life wisely!
2021-06-12 00:43:30	oxek	niak: it's a nice thing to do
2021-06-12 00:43:38	blackbeard420	he is bullshitting
2021-06-12 00:43:42	TarbalOrDishonr	niak you find the DOS bug too?
2021-06-12 00:43:44	niak	I've already found enough bugs for them
2021-06-12 00:43:46	Darren	bagira: Sorry I'm a little confused, why are you unwilling?
2021-06-12 00:43:46	niak	:P
2021-06-12 00:43:54	TarbalOrDishonr	the old staff fixed it right before they left, then it got reverted
2021-06-12 00:43:55	rbraun	niak: what is the second bug? the first one apparently only happens on big-endian platforms like PPC, which freenode doesn't use
2021-06-12 00:44:12	hawtre	bagira, I've checked the definition for +g but you didn't actually confirm the staff member had it set, it'd be nice if you could actually communicate that
2021-06-12 00:44:47	oxek	hawtre: the notice said it was +g
2021-06-12 00:44:53	oxek	that should be confirmation enough
2021-06-12 00:45:03	hawtre	Ah I missed that, thank you
2021-06-12 00:45:05	oxek	niak: feel free to PM me that bug
2021-06-12 00:45:12	niak	Lets not
2021-06-12 00:45:17	niak	If I want it fixed I'll ask Ariadne
2021-06-12 00:45:22	rbraun	also +g isn't by default, so it's not really believable on the first /nick change. would have made more sense if that person had +R set. the bot may have had +g set later on tho
2021-06-12 00:45:25	niak	to fix it
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2021-06-12 00:45:29	blackbeard420	you would disclose it if you actually found one
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2021-06-12 00:45:42	angerctl	At what point was it +g, though? Before staff noticed and parked the bot or after?
2021-06-12 00:46:26	@bagira	hawtre, I explicitly said that :P
2021-06-12 00:46:31	oxek	niak: it's in your best interest to let others know about the bug, because if someone actually exploits it, then everyone will think it was you because you're the only one who knew about it and publicly revealed knowledge of it
2021-06-12 00:46:34	@bagira	angerctl, before the /nick
2021-06-12 00:47:01	angerctl	bagira: how soon after the real nickserv dropped off the network?
2021-06-12 00:47:01	Darren	bagira: The notice suggests that there are details of the incident on the website, but I can't find them. Could you point me towards them please?
2021-06-12 00:47:02	niak	there is a bug I found today but it's not important. It's not like it's my job
2021-06-12 00:47:14	hawtre	I missed it, sorry!
2021-06-12 00:47:40	oxek	niak: I would be very interested in knowing more about this bug
2021-06-12 00:47:46	@bagira	angerctl, we were able to confirm chain of custody; I don't know why this keeps coming up.  the only explanation I can think of would be the attempt to manufacture a narrative.
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2021-06-12 00:48:26	CrystalMath	first of all, i want to say that i really appreciate the hard work our great staff has done!
2021-06-12 00:48:27	@bagira	Darren, regarding public statements, I think it was decided that there wouldn't be one after chain of custody was verified.
2021-06-12 00:48:41	CrystalMath	next, i have a question about bnc.freenode.net, is there any way to control it?
2021-06-12 00:48:45	Darren	Sorry, what do you mean by chain of custody?
2021-06-12 00:49:03	hodapp	"manufacture a narrative" is like the ultimate $20 phrase to throw into a statement that's pretending to be bold and informed
2021-06-12 00:49:09	CrystalMath	like if i connect to bnc.freenode.net, it will stay connected, but how do i go back to connecting normally, if it's always on?
2021-06-12 00:49:14	angerctl	bagira: How was it verified? It may be clear to you but from an outside view all the community knows is that we shouldn't worry.
2021-06-12 00:49:44	Hash	Attention is a peculiar thing. Some don't want it. Some crave it.
2021-06-12 00:49:50	@bagira	angerctl, right, fictitious events don't need an explanation.  you've already been given too much of one as it is.
2021-06-12 00:49:54	angerctl	More details about the incident wouldn't hurt for the sake of transparency.
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2021-06-12 00:49:59	blackbeard420	are you really that concerned about transmitting a nickserv password anyways? just change it quick if you are worried
2021-06-12 00:50:38	TarbalOrDishonr	you should probably be using that sasl thing anyway i f you are relly concerned about the issue
2021-06-12 00:51:05	oxek	the reality is probably that zero users actually used nickserv identify in that timeframe anyway
2021-06-12 00:51:06	Abrax	ya sasl is pretty good
2021-06-12 00:51:13	TarbalOrDishonr	 any server op will be able to see the pw's
2021-06-12 00:51:54	@keitwo	This is actually false, we can't see nor want to see your passwords
2021-06-12 00:51:57	niak	Yes I was trolling but a overflow does exist in the whois mechanism
2021-06-12 00:52:04	niak	Now please shut up.
2021-06-12 00:52:20	TarbalOrDishonr	it's not false unless you don't know how to run tcpdump
2021-06-12 00:52:34	niak	that is the reality.
2021-06-12 00:52:42	CrystalMath	TarbalOrDishonr: i think that right now the servers are still dedicated, they don't run anything but the ircd
2021-06-12 00:53:02	niak	Are you happy I publicly stated it?
2021-06-12 00:53:02	alyx	well assuming folks are using SSL it'd be a touch more than just a tcpdump
2021-06-12 00:53:09	@keitwo	TarbalOrDishonr with that logic, any IRC network can do this
2021-06-12 00:53:11	Darren	I think it would be really helpful if you could confirm what steps you took to identify that nobody had the nick and that nobody saw the plaintext messages, I'm not sure I really understand the opacity?
2021-06-12 00:53:18	@keitwo	You are trusting us when you connect
2021-06-12 00:53:25	@keitwo	If you don't, well, I mean, you don't have to be here
2021-06-12 00:53:31	alyx	is it possible: yes; they could be viewing logs from any user not using SSL via a tcpdump, or by modifying the ircd / services to record unannounced raw output
2021-06-12 00:53:34	alyx	is it likely: no
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2021-06-12 00:53:55	CrystalMath	so... what control do we have over our bouncer instance when using bnc.freenode.net?
2021-06-12 00:54:24	ansgar	I saw the last round of policy changes dropped all mention of projects/groups and on-/off-topic channels.  Does that mean these no longer apply and anyone can register any channel now, including former project-owned channels?
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2021-06-12 00:54:56	CrystalMath	ansgar: oh right, i wonder if the ## thing is gone now!?
2021-06-12 00:54:58	Hash	Yes. I want #drugs for actual pharmacology discussions.
2021-06-12 00:55:09	rob0	rasengan, hello, thanks for the -m (and you also, Chris / bagira, thanks for that.)  My question is, what do you see as the added value for freenode and the communities here since the change of management last month?  Where do you see freenode improving in the future?
2021-06-12 00:55:14	Hash	Previous staff banned the use of #drgus for no reason at all.
2021-06-12 00:55:32	Hash	#drugs goes to unavailable.
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2021-06-12 00:56:00	Hash	https://www.psychedelicsdaily.com/drugs/ This is the project and there is data here for which an open source DB exists people can download
2021-06-12 00:56:07	blackbeard420	+1 for giving Hash #drugs
2021-06-12 00:56:09	Hash	As well as a psilocybin dosage calculator software
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2021-06-12 00:56:21	Hash	I made FOSS psychedelic software :)
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2021-06-12 00:56:25	Hash	Make*
2021-06-12 00:56:31	hawtre	I third this endeavour
2021-06-12 00:56:37	rbraun	+1 for that too
2021-06-12 00:56:38	Hash	Thank you.
2021-06-12 00:56:42	Hash	<3
2021-06-12 00:56:56	Hash	I also conduct Extended State DMT research here in Boulder Colorado
2021-06-12 00:57:16	Hash	I work with other medical professionals, Dr. David Nichols, James Fadiman, Michelle Ross
2021-06-12 00:57:18	Hash	Etc.
2021-06-12 00:57:22	alyx	shit i'll +1 that lol. i'm sure there's some legal bits you may wanna figure out but uh, if erowid can exist i'm sure freenode can handle some drugs
2021-06-12 00:57:28	CrystalMath	all we are saying, is give Hash #drugs
2021-06-12 00:57:28	Hash	Sure, we can.
2021-06-12 00:57:29	TarbalOrDishonr	sounds legiyt, ACK'd
2021-06-12 00:57:32	Hash	I could use help too.
2021-06-12 00:57:38	Hash	Depends on if staff would allow it.
2021-06-12 00:57:39	niak	Er
2021-06-12 00:57:42	Pricey	win 133
2021-06-12 00:57:44	niak	I would run that by rasengan first
2021-06-12 00:57:47	Hash	My dad's a psychiatrist and mom's a clinical psychologist as well.
2021-06-12 00:57:56	newton	can we get a press release when #drugs opens up. seems like big waves
2021-06-12 00:58:06	CrystalMath	newton: is it that relevant?
2021-06-12 00:58:12	Hash	I am trying to decide the best host
2021-06-12 00:58:12	newton	yes?
2021-06-12 00:58:23	alyx	if freenode's transitioning to more of a general purpose network anyway, it seems like it would actually be a good thing to open and to publicize imo
2021-06-12 00:58:33	@bagira	rob0, that's a good question.  I am actually going to make a blog post about my thoughts on that soon.  My focus will be on removing barriers for users who were targeted by ritual/serial defamation, cyberlynching, and other cross-project blacklisting type behaviours or other abuse so that they can participate in the projects they love.  I'm sure there is more, but, this is of highest concern to me personally.
2021-06-12 00:58:38	niak	marijuana is the only good drug
2021-06-12 00:58:43	Hash	If I put the link on PsychedelicsDaily.com and other sites/groups, there would be plenty of traffic. I'm unsure whether IRC or discord might be best.
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2021-06-12 00:58:47	CrystalMath	alyx: hash is talking about some FLOSS software related to it too
2021-06-12 00:58:55	Hash	IRC would give one channel only.
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2021-06-12 00:59:01	alyx	CrystalMath: just adds to the value!
2021-06-12 00:59:06	Hash	On discord I Could have a channel for each substance and divvy it up.
2021-06-12 00:59:12	Hash	Hmm. I also own the domain psychedelic.chat
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2021-06-12 00:59:15	niak	CrystalMath could finally change his name to CrystelMeth
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2021-06-12 00:59:21	alyx	hah
2021-06-12 00:59:25	hawtre	Freenode should pivot to pharmacology
2021-06-12 00:59:29	Hash	Anyway, feel free to msg me and further this project.
2021-06-12 00:59:37	Hash	If you're interested
2021-06-12 00:59:39	CrystalMath	niak: with "el" instead of "al"?
2021-06-12 00:59:49	@tjr	discord ;\
2021-06-12 00:59:52	niak	CrystalMeth*
2021-06-12 00:59:52	CrystalMath	niak: wouldn't that confuse me with the previous owner of Freenode Ltd?
2021-06-12 00:59:54	niak	sorry
2021-06-12 00:59:56	Joanna	This network is for foss projects not dope addicts!
2021-06-12 01:00:12	CrystalMath	Joanna: there's a difference?
2021-06-12 01:00:12	Hash	You can have FOSS software for dope users.
2021-06-12 01:00:15	alyx	oh god
2021-06-12 01:00:18	alyx	ChristelMeth
2021-06-12 01:00:24	blackbeard420	dope refers to heroin and opoids. not dmt, shrooms, lsd, etc...
2021-06-12 01:00:25	newton	rofl
2021-06-12 01:00:30	niak	ChristelMeth
2021-06-12 01:00:34	alyx	that sounds both hilariously insulting and, just, hilarious
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2021-06-12 01:00:47	Hash	blackbeard420: that's another reason why I do what I do. To help alleviate the ignorance and to shift cultural thought.
2021-06-12 01:00:50	niak	CrystalMath: change names to ChristelMeth
2021-06-12 01:00:57	Abrax	may the foss be withya?
2021-06-12 01:01:01	alyx	i +1 this recommendation
2021-06-12 01:01:04	Hash	Ty ir
2021-06-12 01:01:06	Hash	sir*
2021-06-12 01:02:16	rob0	bagira, thank you for the reply.  I'd be interested to know when your blog post is up.  I'd also be interested to see what rasengan and perhaps other staff have to say about it.
2021-06-12 01:02:29	 *	bagira nods
2021-06-12 01:02:34	niak	It may be a legal liability
2021-06-12 01:02:42	niak	rasengan should clear that
2021-06-12 01:02:52	Hash	Currently we have ##stoned and ##psychedelics. ##stoned is older and slightly more people. A lot of people left during the migration. We stayed on Freenode.
2021-06-12 01:02:57	Hash	I am not leaving. No point.
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2021-06-12 01:03:18	@tjr	cool
2021-06-12 01:03:21	Hash	Discord sonds more feasiable.
2021-06-12 01:03:31	Hash	More organized. One channel might cause chaos maybe.
2021-06-12 01:03:34	CrystalMath	Hash: oh wait, did you use the nickname stoned a long time ago?
2021-06-12 01:03:44	Hash	Or more organized, not feasible.
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2021-06-12 01:06:58	hawtre	A channel dedicated to homegrowing weed should be okay, right?
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2021-06-12 01:07:29	blackbeard420	why wouldnt it be
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2021-06-12 01:10:11	bin_bash	bagira: it's only a concern to you personally because your alt-right beliefs are out in public and you've had to face consequences for them. free speech doesn't mean free from social consequence.
2021-06-12 01:10:14	oxek	make it a ## and +s and don't break any laws or network rules, and you should be fine
2021-06-12 01:10:35	bin_bash	oxek: no reason it can't be # now since there's no more project registration
2021-06-12 01:11:51	oxek	bin_bash: weirdly enough looks like you're right. I don't see any mention of ## on policies page nor in knowledge base
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2021-06-12 01:12:28	bin_bash	oxek: yes there have been big changes in the last 2 days. there are no more officia or unofficial channels and there is no more project registration. it seems that this was triggered by the fsf/gnu departure but i don't know for sure
2021-06-12 01:12:29	alyx	oxek: yes it seems freenode is transitioning away from being a projects-focused network into a more general purpose network
2021-06-12 01:12:32	CrystalMath	oxek: is the rule about ## still in place?
2021-06-12 01:12:54	bin_bash	CrystalMath: no
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2021-06-12 01:12:58	oxek	I completely missed that, sorry about that
2021-06-12 01:13:03	CrystalMath	bin_bash: for real!?
2021-06-12 01:13:06	CrystalMath	crazy
2021-06-12 01:13:07	bin_bash	CrystalMath: yes
2021-06-12 01:13:13	alyx	(was this a planned policy change or one enacted because they're running low on official projects? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
2021-06-12 01:13:15	CrystalMath	after like... 20 years?
2021-06-12 01:13:34	CrystalMath	not saying it's bad, just that i couldn't believe it
2021-06-12 01:14:03	bin_bash	CrystalMath: yes well i dont know if you know, but the staff who formerly made up freenode are no longer with freenode, so things are in flux
2021-06-12 01:14:06	alyx	it's an interesting move tbh
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2021-06-12 01:14:22	bin_bash	very interesting in the course of a week to go from "Freenode is FOSS" to "Freenode is IRC"
2021-06-12 01:14:24	alyx	social/general purpose irc networks have not been doing well for the past decade or so
2021-06-12 01:14:36	CrystalMath	bin_bash: staff have changed a lot over time
2021-06-12 01:14:37	alyx	it'll be interesting to see how rasengan tries to buck that trend
2021-06-12 01:14:37	blackbeard420	efnet and rizon are alive and well
2021-06-12 01:14:41	CrystalMath	bin_bash: but freenode never changed its character
2021-06-12 01:14:42	@tjr	we have some pretty big plans :)
2021-06-12 01:14:52	alyx	blackbeard420: alive, yes. well, eh.
2021-06-12 01:14:59	CrystalMath	i don't think it will, it's still a home for FOSS projects
2021-06-12 01:15:00	bin_bash	CrystalMath: not quite like this though. The entire previous staff left.
2021-06-12 01:15:08	alyx	excluding freenode, IRC has been trending downward for a /long/ time
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2021-06-12 01:15:25	bin_bash	tjr: what about the fact that the new anonchan bot blatantly violates the IRC RFC? Is that part of the ew trajectory too?
2021-06-12 01:15:38	bin_bash	new**
2021-06-12 01:15:48	alyx	bin_bash: okay to be fair nobody's actually really followed the whole NOTICE shit.. ever :P
2021-06-12 01:15:52	@bagira	bin_bash, i do not have or express alt-right belief systems, that is a lie
2021-06-12 01:15:56	alyx	IRC RFCs are more like "guidelines"
2021-06-12 01:16:01	CrystalMath	bin_bash: how is it violating it?
2021-06-12 01:16:06	CrystalMath	alyx: heh
2021-06-12 01:16:06	alyx	bagira: 🤔
2021-06-12 01:16:08	@ldlework	It's just a fun experiment anyway.
2021-06-12 01:16:14	@tjr	bin_bash: I can't go into detail about them as they are not yet announced but there is going to be some pretty cool updates
2021-06-12 01:16:17	bin_bash	bagira: so the nazi graphic on your blog "it was a tuesday for me" is progressive to you?
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2021-06-12 01:16:28	@bagira	bin_bash, i take it you never saw the street fighters movie
2021-06-12 01:16:33	CrystalMath	bin_bash: not being alt-right != being progressive, btw
2021-06-12 01:16:35	@ldlework	If you're not progressive, you're alt-right? what?
2021-06-12 01:16:38	bin_bash	no
2021-06-12 01:16:43	bin_bash	but i couldnt think of a better one-word
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2021-06-12 01:17:19	@bagira	bin_bash, https://youtu.be/sjZ5I8l32CI
2021-06-12 01:17:27	bin_bash	someone called me a grammar nazi once, but i insisted i prefer to be called "alt-write"
2021-06-12 01:17:37	CrystalMath	heh
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2021-06-12 01:17:54	@bagira	bin_bash, also using channel modes and relays through a bot doesn't "violate the IRC RFC".  That is also a lie.
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2021-06-12 01:18:17	@bagira	bin_bash, you will shield the world from your ignorance or I will mute you :P
2021-06-12 01:18:22	alyx	bagira: well technically nothing should respond to NOTICE :P
2021-06-12 01:18:24	b18c6	op me im valuable
2021-06-12 01:18:37	alyx	although, to be fair, that's been broken more times than I can count to
2021-06-12 01:19:04	bin_bash	that's true, but if the goal is to be "the next level of irc" then i would expect the rfc to be respected
2021-06-12 01:19:16	bin_bash	but maybe my expectations are unfair im willing to consider that
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2021-06-12 01:19:39	@ldlework	Again, it's a fun experiment that has had a few hours put into it... maybe we expand on it, but good grief, it's just a fun bot.
2021-06-12 01:20:50	@bagira	fwiw ldlework i also thought it was some kind of ircd plugin when i first saw it just because it is such a clever use of chanmodes and bot relay
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2021-06-12 01:21:24	alyx	tbh would be actually kind of interesting to abuse it into some sort of an ircd plugin
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2021-06-12 01:21:30	oxek	I have an actual support question. I have several ## channels, and am wondering if I should start on trying to redirect them to # channels, if the ## namespace is no longer listed in the freenode policies or knowledge base. Or can I just leave the channels as they are?
2021-06-12 01:21:32	alyx	could do some ridiculous, but interesting shit
2021-06-12 01:21:57	alyx	e.g. name transitions to convert anon->actual nicks locally (for tab completion/highlighting), more direct ways of messaging, etc.
2021-06-12 01:22:07	alyx	but uh
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2021-06-12 01:22:12	CrystalMath	bagira: so... i'm still in disbelief, the ## thing is gone?
2021-06-12 01:22:13	alyx	good luck lmao that'd be a pain in the ass
2021-06-12 01:23:23	balrog	Are there any plans to control the rampant spam on this network?
2021-06-12 01:23:27	@bagira	i think the convnetion is still there
2021-06-12 01:23:31	@bagira	*convention
2021-06-12 01:23:50	CrystalMath	bagira: but it seems to be gone from the policies
2021-06-12 01:23:53	@bagira	balrog, generally what channels do for spam is self-contain until they can't and then reach out to staff for help
2021-06-12 01:23:54	oxek	bagira: I really can't find any mention of it through following links on freenode.net
2021-06-12 01:24:22	balrog	https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0/-/commit/095e0c1201da17c0c05e32f397d9b20090b4ebcb#4a3eb18d56cda4eb3718f93edeef29779c62c8d0 — seems it was removed here
2021-06-12 01:24:26	@bagira	balrog, you know, kind of like how you've always done it for the last 16 years :P
2021-06-12 01:24:27	essiambre	The whole #/## thing always was kinda confusing.
2021-06-12 01:24:35	balrog	(the entire namespaces.md document disappeared)
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2021-06-12 01:24:54	CrystalMath	essiambre: still shocking to just get rid of it
2021-06-12 01:25:00	CrystalMath	not necessarily bad, but shocking
2021-06-12 01:25:05	essiambre	CrystalMath: yeah. Old dogs, new tricks.
2021-06-12 01:25:06	balrog	I would say that the whole #/## thing made help this network what it (formerly) was, and makes its primary competitor what it is
2021-06-12 01:25:17	@bagira	you would
2021-06-12 01:25:19	Hash	Yeah, IRC relay bots are no good.
2021-06-12 01:25:29	essiambre	Hash: they're lots of noise.
2021-06-12 01:25:45	@Mahjong	make sure you understand +i +m +r and +z channel modes if you are worried about spam but yes, it's dealt with at a network level too
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2021-06-12 01:26:09	CrystalMath	Mahjong: on #reactos we had to +q $~a, and i think the bots are still coming, they're just quieted
2021-06-12 01:26:23	Hash	##videogames was being abused by notK (can provide logs) of homophobic abuse, sorcerer saw it I, or one of the @s, nothing was done. I banned the culprit but he claimed he can still troll us using relay bots. Abrax the channel owner didn't seem to mind hate mongering and abuse and violation of freenode policy.
2021-06-12 01:26:36	CrystalMath	bagira: why quiet bin_bash?
2021-06-12 01:26:37	Hash	Relay bots should not be used. They do break IRC.
2021-06-12 01:26:43	CrystalMath	i mean i disagree that there's any RFC violation
2021-06-12 01:26:50	CrystalMath	Hash: why? i like them
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2021-06-12 01:26:58	CrystalMath	i set up a bunch, and i'm developing another
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2021-06-12 01:27:26	CrystalMath	mine will also report its failure to connect to one of the relayed places as a "chansplit" :)
2021-06-12 01:27:34	@Mahjong	CrystalMath yeah there's different approaches for different types of channels
2021-06-12 01:27:52	@bagira	You know what we really need instead of stuffy policies and red tape everywhere?  We need a whole shitload of open source projects not backed by monolithic entities developing cool software as an interactive community.
2021-06-12 01:28:05	CrystalMath	bagira: absolutely
2021-06-12 01:28:18	@bagira	None of that was EVER f/oss!
2021-06-12 01:28:28	d1	lol
2021-06-12 01:28:41	bin_bash	bagira: so like communist projects?
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2021-06-12 01:29:21	oxek	I have an actual support question. I have several ## channels, and am wondering if I should start on trying to redirect them to # channels, if the ## namespace is no longer listed in the freenode policies or knowledge base. Or can I just leave the channels as they are?
2021-06-12 01:29:34	@tjr	you can do either
2021-06-12 01:29:44	CrystalMath	yep, that was trolling, but i would still reply to bin_bash: "but no strict self-management either"
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2021-06-12 01:29:55	@bagira	oxek, do whatever you want.  enjoy your community and what their goals are not navigating circuitous policies.
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2021-06-12 01:30:30	oxek	bagira: just making sure my channels are still in compliance, that's all
2021-06-12 01:30:41	@tjr	oxek: no issues here, you can do what you want
2021-06-12 01:30:46	oxek	thank you
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2021-06-12 01:31:01	balrog	is there any buy-in from any major open source projects yet?
2021-06-12 01:31:29	crabbedhaloablut	Is freenode still FOSS?
2021-06-12 01:31:35	CrystalMath	crabbedhaloablut: i believe it is
2021-06-12 01:31:36	TarbalOrDishonr	buy in?
2021-06-12 01:31:43	@bagira	crabbedhaloablut, more than ever
2021-06-12 01:31:46	crabbedhaloablut	I thought it was IRC?
2021-06-12 01:31:47	swordsmanz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlekpdXx2wc just some music to passs the night
2021-06-12 01:31:48	pseudo	Pretenders - The Buzz (Official Video) - YouTube
2021-06-12 01:31:50	Hash	Freenode is not a software.
2021-06-12 01:31:53	TarbalOrDishonr	like buy their devs new sneakers?
2021-06-12 01:32:12	Hash	FOSS = Free and Open Source Software
2021-06-12 01:32:18	Hash	How does a network fit that?
2021-06-12 01:32:24	swordsmanz	also just putting it out there that theft isa wrong
2021-06-12 01:32:27	CrystalMath	Hash: freenode is about FOSS, let's say
2021-06-12 01:32:37	CrystalMath	and yeah it's running free software
2021-06-12 01:32:38	alyx	okay so i gotta ask
2021-06-12 01:32:42	crabbedhaloablut	But all the FOSS is leaving?
2021-06-12 01:32:43	alyx	who knows what's up w/ jobs.freenode.net
2021-06-12 01:32:46	CrystalMath	crabbedhaloablut: not all!
2021-06-12 01:32:50	alyx	why uh
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2021-06-12 01:33:02	alyx	why did y'all swap from a platform that was underutilized but pretty full-featured
2021-06-12 01:33:03	essiambre	Just most.
2021-06-12 01:33:04	alyx	to the in-house thing
2021-06-12 01:33:05	--	Mode #freenode [-q kn\!*@*] by bagira
2021-06-12 01:33:05	crabbedhaloablut	FSF just left.
2021-06-12 01:33:06	swordsmanz	CrystalMath:  pritty much all that counts is fleeing or has plans too
2021-06-12 01:33:16	CrystalMath	swordsmanz: not ReactOS
2021-06-12 01:33:20	CrystalMath	we voted to stay internally
2021-06-12 01:33:25	CrystalMath	at least for now
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2021-06-12 01:33:39	alyx	huh til reactos still exists
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2021-06-12 01:33:47	alyx	neat
2021-06-12 01:33:54	bin_bash	LOL ReactOS exists still?
2021-06-12 01:33:56	CrystalMath	alyx: yes, and we were actually having some problems with the libera people when they were here
2021-06-12 01:33:58	swordsmanz	CrystalMath:  reactos staying "for now" is hardly a shineing beacon of hope
2021-06-12 01:33:58	bin_bash	I thought it was a meme
2021-06-12 01:34:02	essiambre	It'll be ready for prime time about the same time as the HURD kernel.
2021-06-12 01:34:04	alyx	CrystalMath: oh?
2021-06-12 01:34:06	Hash	prev. staff broke irc and blame the new people. i don't agree with that sentiment. there was no need to walk off in such an emotional state. Get everyone together and talk it out, instead of claiming hostile take over, shattering irc, dividing communities.
2021-06-12 01:34:15	CrystalMath	alyx: yeah reactos moved its official chat to mattermost years ago
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2021-06-12 01:34:21	alyx	ahh
2021-06-12 01:34:21	CrystalMath	alyx: freenode policy was too strict for some
2021-06-12 01:34:26	alyx	"too strict"?
2021-06-12 01:34:32	alyx	i'm curious, can you tell me more about that
2021-06-12 01:34:40	Hash	who me?
2021-06-12 01:34:41	CrystalMath	that's all i can say, some complained about it
2021-06-12 01:34:44	alyx	ahh
2021-06-12 01:34:48	CrystalMath	i didn't know what's going on about that
2021-06-12 01:34:56	CrystalMath	because i wasn't on the off-topic channel
2021-06-12 01:35:10	alyx	makes sense :p
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2021-06-12 01:35:55	eggy	irc drama, is well.. just that.. drama and some entertainment. I'm wondering what will become of this new freenode, are you guys still planning to keep up with ircv3?
2021-06-12 01:36:05	crabbedhaloablut	If freenode is so good, why are all the good people gone?
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2021-06-12 01:36:20	Hash	depends on how one defines 'good'. Ambigious term
2021-06-12 01:36:23	CrystalMath	crabbedhaloablut: now, that sounds like trolling, you're trying to imply there that we're not good
2021-06-12 01:36:24	blackbeard420	crabbedhaloablut> the 'good' people stayed if you ask me lol
2021-06-12 01:36:27	@tjr	eggy: our plan is to do our own thing and continue on
2021-06-12 01:36:58	balrog	tjr, bagira, others: are there any plans to restore the guidelines, philosophy, and history pages that were deleted from the website?
2021-06-12 01:37:01	@taw	I mean, with tjr as staff, we are bound to do great things
2021-06-12 01:37:04	@taw	amirite, tjr?
2021-06-12 01:37:05	blackbeard420	i only bothered with libera cause so many projects i contribute to jumped ship without actually considering both sides of the events
2021-06-12 01:37:06	@taw	:p
2021-06-12 01:37:17	@tjr	taw: one can only try/hope
2021-06-12 01:37:35	CrystalMath	blackbeard420: tbh techrights spared me from having to investgate too long, but i connected there at first
2021-06-12 01:37:35	@taw	that's the spirit
2021-06-12 01:37:42	swordsmanz	alyx:  basically whats happening on this network is the same as happened with they highlands and the jacobites
2021-06-12 01:37:50	balrog	blackbeard420: it would have been difficult to justify staying here to the users when channels were forcibly taken over by a bot just for having libera in the topic
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2021-06-12 01:38:04	essiambre	blackbeard420: FSF spent a week or three debating the issue. You can't say theirs was an impulsive move.
2021-06-12 01:38:06	CrystalMath	blackbeard420: but to be honest, it was jess who finalized my decision to choose freenode
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2021-06-12 01:38:21	@taw	balrog: you made me roll my eyes so hard I almost gave myself a stroke.
2021-06-12 01:38:26	balrog	taw: ??
2021-06-12 01:38:30	essiambre	CrystalMath: how did Jess manage that?
2021-06-12 01:38:33	@taw	again with the bot thing? can you move on?
2021-06-12 01:38:39	Hash	The biggest thing that drove people away was the #/## fiasco
2021-06-12 01:38:42	balrog	taw: I'm just stating a fact
2021-06-12 01:38:55	@taw	no, you just seem to be stirring more of that drama that has been discussed over and over again
2021-06-12 01:38:59	Hash	Forcibly moving channels that didn't need moving here.
2021-06-12 01:39:00	balrog	all too many channels decided "fuck this noise" and left.
2021-06-12 01:39:04	essiambre	taw: I think you underestimate the anger that stunt provoked.
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2021-06-12 01:39:05	CrystalMath	essiambre: she told me who was behind all the channel shutdowns here, and who was trying to keep a semblance of freedom
2021-06-12 01:39:09	alyx	crabbedhaloablut: if freenode is so good why isn't there a freenode 2
2021-06-12 01:39:17	crabbedhaloablut	taw: It's what lost freenode the discussion, shouldn't we examine it again and consider why you keep making the same mistake?
2021-06-12 01:39:22	CrystalMath	essiambre: the answer is, christel was trying to keep a semblance of freedom, the libera people were trying to kill freedom
2021-06-12 01:39:29	alyx	what lol
2021-06-12 01:39:34	blackbeard420	jess hates me with a passion but to be fair he/she never k-lined me when they could have
2021-06-12 01:39:40	phyl729	Can I get unbanned from ##vim?
2021-06-12 01:39:54	Hash	People don't like being forced to do things. That will drive them away, even from a community they love.
2021-06-12 01:39:56	noot	blackbeard420: i do not hate you, i do not really know you, but i know we've crossed paths
2021-06-12 01:40:01	essiambre	CrystalMath: numbnuts, that other net didn't even EXIST until after Christel LEFT.
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2021-06-12 01:40:10	noot	jessbots in disguise
2021-06-12 01:40:12	Hash	Namecalling is for the weak minded.
2021-06-12 01:40:13	blackbeard420	lol noot you seemed offended by the 2a stuff
2021-06-12 01:40:18	noot	naw
2021-06-12 01:40:18	CrystalMath	essiambre: i mean the libera people were killing freedom here before 2021
2021-06-12 01:40:23	blackbeard420	cool
2021-06-12 01:40:24	noot	i'm pro gun but from the other wing of politics
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2021-06-12 01:40:28	Evolver	Can I PM an available staffer to help edit a channel topic? Who can I PM?
2021-06-12 01:40:41	CrystalMath	essiambre: the people who shut down all the channels they deemed bad, was the staff that is now libera, not christel
2021-06-12 01:40:44	@taw	CrystalMath: a lot of the people who came to freenode after the old staff left wouldn't have touched this network with a 10ft pole.
2021-06-12 01:40:45	CrystalMath	essiambre: christel was trying to stop them
2021-06-12 01:40:47	newton	SRA, baby
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2021-06-12 01:41:01	swordsmanz	the bots are not originateing from the other network
2021-06-12 01:41:04	CrystalMath	essiambre: jess admitted to me that christel didn't want channels shut down
2021-06-12 01:41:11	essiambre	We'll never know for sure one way or another. Christel ain't talking.
2021-06-12 01:41:13	niak	what people have came
2021-06-12 01:41:15	niak	?????????
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2021-06-12 01:41:18	noot	she was a bit stubborn on kicking out racists
2021-06-12 01:41:19	Hash	o/
2021-06-12 01:41:22	noot	which was always a bit sad
2021-06-12 01:41:37	@tjr	eh
2021-06-12 01:41:40	essiambre	noot, stubborn how?
2021-06-12 01:41:40	Hash	She is a racist herself. SJW, femiist, identify politics, pronoudn kind of woman.
2021-06-12 01:41:46	alyx	lol
2021-06-12 01:41:47	Hash	So you know tons of mental problems.
2021-06-12 01:41:55	niak	stats don't show growth
2021-06-12 01:41:58	swordsmanz	yes will we get action on racisem in the new freenode ?
2021-06-12 01:42:01	noot	ah yes, proud women. the worst
2021-06-12 01:42:02	niak	they show a massive decline
2021-06-12 01:42:09	@tjr	niak: that's fine
2021-06-12 01:42:09	balrog	Hash: probably much of the software that you are using right now is developed by the kind of people you are denigrating
2021-06-12 01:42:10	Evolver	so all this happened because of a pronoun
2021-06-12 01:42:13	blackbeard420	id prefer less censorship then before
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2021-06-12 01:42:21	Hash	men, women... not gender is the issue. But a mentality that latches onto ideologies.
2021-06-12 01:42:26	noot	i think the stats are probably a bit skewed due to matrix
2021-06-12 01:42:26	blackbeard420	but to be fair noot/jess did let stuff slide prior
2021-06-12 01:42:33	CrystalMath	taw: a channel i was on, ##goodolddays, which was about retrocomputing, was kicked out by Fuchs, but we didn't come back, we're still on LunarIRC
2021-06-12 01:42:35	alyx	Hash: i'd ask if you were on drugs but i think that's obvious
2021-06-12 01:42:37	@bagira	phyl729, you'll want to get with the channel owners
2021-06-12 01:42:40	CrystalMath	taw: it's hard to change networks
2021-06-12 01:42:45	essiambre	blackbeard420: looks to me like you're going to get it. Anything goes, it seems.
2021-06-12 01:42:46	@bagira	phyl729, or reach out to its ops
2021-06-12 01:43:00	Hash	Sure. I stand by it. Ideologies are poison, no matter what they maybe. Catholicism, feminism, marxism, objectivism... egalitarianism... etc.
2021-06-12 01:43:12	essiambre	Nazism. O:)
2021-06-12 01:43:13	niak	CrystalMath: you're not entirely a likable person by the things you said
2021-06-12 01:43:15	phyl729	bagira: the channel founder has been AWOL for years; eskimo used override to ban me
2021-06-12 01:43:17	noot	if freenode is willing to be where we expell racists to instead of rizon, i'm actually ok with that
2021-06-12 01:43:18	Evolver	feminazism
2021-06-12 01:43:20	niak	by saying you want all humans dead
2021-06-12 01:43:23	niak	i mean...
2021-06-12 01:43:24	CrystalMath	niak: why? :(
2021-06-12 01:43:25	@taw	Hash: communism is probably the worst of all of them.
2021-06-12 01:43:30	niak	You even said you wanted America to die
2021-06-12 01:43:31	Hash	Oh probably
2021-06-12 01:43:35	Hash	Any ism really.
2021-06-12 01:43:35	 *	Nwords are mostly baptist
2021-06-12 01:43:36	niak	so
2021-06-12 01:43:48	noot	Hash: capitalism?
2021-06-12 01:43:53	Hash	I mean when we adopt an ism, we become a spokeperson for that ideology and lose our own individuality.
2021-06-12 01:44:03	eskimo	bagira: phyl729 and thumbs were there just telling people to go to libera.
2021-06-12 01:44:10	Nwords	he wants free hash ...
2021-06-12 01:44:11	eskimo	just fyi
2021-06-12 01:44:16	essiambre	Hash, so it's fair to say you support individualism.
2021-06-12 01:44:30	Hash	Well, not free. To grow plants costs resoruces, water, money/effort/sweat.
2021-06-12 01:44:32	Hash	Etc.
2021-06-12 01:44:42	Nwords	cost ?
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2021-06-12 01:44:49	Nwords	to earn profits ?
2021-06-12 01:44:57	Hash	You have to spend money to make money!
2021-06-12 01:44:59	niak	Nwords: can you change your name?
2021-06-12 01:45:01	Nwords	teetering on a ism there
2021-06-12 01:45:11	Nwords	if you can change yours
2021-06-12 01:45:14	CrystalMath	niak: i don't want america to die, i don't think i even said it in a moment of anger (or at least i don't remember)
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2021-06-12 01:45:21	niak	I remember what you said
2021-06-12 01:45:22	noot	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM62wjLrgmA
2021-06-12 01:45:22	niak	Stop it.
2021-06-12 01:45:22	pseudo	TOOL - Schism - YouTube
2021-06-12 01:45:24	noot	the best ism
2021-06-12 01:45:25	essiambre	Nwords: I got an 'n' word for you: nihilism.
2021-06-12 01:45:34	Nwords	my name is nigel word
2021-06-12 01:45:36	niak	Nwords: change that racist ass name
2021-06-12 01:45:46	niak	 *	Nwords are mostly baptist
2021-06-12 01:45:47	Nwords	niak if u think its racist maybe you need to look in the mirror
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2021-06-12 01:45:51	blackbeard420	who cares what someones nick is
2021-06-12 01:45:51	niak	We know what you mean
2021-06-12 01:45:55	blackbeard420	words do not hurt you
2021-06-12 01:45:55	niak	Change the fucking name.
2021-06-12 01:45:57	Nwords	most nigel words are
2021-06-12 01:46:11	alyx	moist nigel words
2021-06-12 01:46:13	alyx	got it
2021-06-12 01:46:13	noot	no
2021-06-12 01:46:14	hawtre	Words can make my brain hurt :(
2021-06-12 01:46:14	^dmt^	lol
2021-06-12 01:46:15	noot	alyx stop
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2021-06-12 01:46:24	noot	also i'd not listened to this song for longtimes
2021-06-12 01:46:27	phyl729	Also could I be told why ##moved_to_libera was closed?
2021-06-12 01:46:32	Hash	You keep this up and you'll make +m here again.
2021-06-12 01:46:34	CrystalMath	phyl729: it was? :P
2021-06-12 01:46:37	Hash	And won't be able to chat.
2021-06-12 01:46:38	CrystalMath	hilarious!
2021-06-12 01:46:39	Nwords	this nigel is moist
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2021-06-12 01:46:51	Nwords	grawwll
2021-06-12 01:46:51	alyx	come now, phyl729. do you DARE question the decisions of his highness?
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2021-06-12 01:46:57	crabbedhaloablut	moist
2021-06-12 01:47:10	Hash	Crown Prince. LOL. We still have this idiocy in the world?
2021-06-12 01:47:10	Nwords	moist puss
2021-06-12 01:47:12	phyl729	Just wanted the reasoning; there was no prior warning.
2021-06-12 01:47:16	ErrantEgo	Hash: ive got my stopwatch going lol
2021-06-12 01:47:26	crabbedhaloablut	very moist
2021-06-12 01:47:34	swordsmanz	Hash:  hes not a real crown prince he is just an honerable pretender
2021-06-12 01:47:35	CrystalMath	niak: are you kn\? then i explained to you several times already how i feel
2021-06-12 01:47:37	noot	might've had better luck with #moved_to_liberia, could have got money from their tourism board
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2021-06-12 01:47:43	Nwords	moister goiter puss
2021-06-12 01:47:49	niak	I know
2021-06-12 01:47:52	niak	For a fact what you said.
2021-06-12 01:47:53	Nwords	ahhh words  ...
2021-06-12 01:47:55	Hash	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGvK_9ugecM Kings with Straw Mats - Yogis and Sadhus :)
2021-06-12 01:47:55	pseudo	Kings with Straw Mats - Yogis and Sadhus of the Kumbh Mela Festival - YouTube
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2021-06-12 01:48:02	Hash	These are the real kinds I care about.
2021-06-12 01:48:03	alyx	#moved_to_that_which_must_not_be_named
2021-06-12 01:48:04	CrystalMath	niak: what i said doesn't matter if it's false :P
2021-06-12 01:48:05	Hash	kings*
2021-06-12 01:48:05	alyx	:^)
2021-06-12 01:48:09	Nwords	lib-tardia
2021-06-12 01:48:14	noot	can we have a music sharing hour instead of arguing
2021-06-12 01:48:20	Hash	#music
2021-06-12 01:48:21	essiambre	Oh, yeah, the Net that Must Not Be Named.
2021-06-12 01:48:23	swordsmanz	also rasengan:  make me a duke
2021-06-12 01:48:26	TarbalOrDishonr	i can't join #music
2021-06-12 01:48:29	CrystalMath	niak: i sometimes say things that i don't mean
2021-06-12 01:48:29	Hash	Why not?
2021-06-12 01:48:30	Nwords	website looks like it was made by a lgtqb tranny with down syndrome
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2021-06-12 01:48:37	TarbalOrDishonr	they are tyrants
2021-06-12 01:48:44	Hash	I am in ther
2021-06-12 01:48:46	Hash	Seems alright
2021-06-12 01:48:48	--	Mode #freenode [+q *!*@c-73-81-78-54.hsd1.de.comcast.net] by Mahjong
2021-06-12 01:48:48	CrystalMath	TarbalOrDishonr: oh wait is Steppenkater there?
2021-06-12 01:48:53	Hash	No one has moderated #music in years I think
2021-06-12 01:48:55	noot	sic semper tyrannis
2021-06-12 01:48:58	Hash	It works nicely. No one makes trouble
2021-06-12 01:48:59	newton	lol "a lot of the people who came to freenode after the old staff left wouldn't have touched this network with a 10ft pole."
2021-06-12 01:49:03	TarbalOrDishonr	let me try again
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2021-06-12 01:49:18	^dmt^	that's true
2021-06-12 01:49:21	Hash	Otherwise someone here can unban you. You seem alright. Ifyou act out, people will ignore you and so it doesn't matter.
2021-06-12 01:49:26	Hash	Punishment is inherent in the act.
2021-06-12 01:49:34	Byteflux	newton: Yeah, how dare the old staff keep all the racists and bigots out!
2021-06-12 01:49:42	Byteflux	But good thing we have the new staff now
2021-06-12 01:49:45	newton	laughing at how quickly the statement was proven
2021-06-12 01:49:54	@taw	Byteflux: you're very disingenuous.
2021-06-12 01:50:13	@taw	a pretty blank accusation with no proof.
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2021-06-12 01:50:24	essiambre	Just don't forget to keep a lot of change handy for when you get to the bridges.
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2021-06-12 01:50:34	hawtre	Nwords what website?
2021-06-12 01:50:35	noot	well you reopened channels closed for unquestionably network policy violating racist content
2021-06-12 01:50:35	CrystalMath	Byteflux: really on ##goodolddays we just had one guy who would talk about jesus sometimes, and some flat earth stuff, and we were destroyed because we wouldn't ban him
2021-06-12 01:50:37	TarbalOrDishonr	#music :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services - see https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration??
2021-06-12 01:50:41	CrystalMath	hawtre: i think the libera one
2021-06-12 01:50:48	Byteflux	taw: I mean, you chose to infer that. I never said the words so you cannot actually make a legit claim of an accusation there. Do you even sentence?
2021-06-12 01:50:59	Hash	 I can't join #debian cuz of no SSL. Not sure what changed. I always conneced to freenode using weechat and ssl I tink
2021-06-12 01:51:03	CrystalMath	hawtre: or at least that's what i concluded, Nwords was quieted temporarily
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2021-06-12 01:51:17	essiambre	Byteflux: do you know what "disingenuous" means?
2021-06-12 01:51:29	oxek	Hash: what are your current user modes? Do you have +Z?
2021-06-12 01:51:38	Hash	Who me? I dunno
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2021-06-12 01:51:43	Hash	I have Ri. not Z
2021-06-12 01:51:45	Hash	I used to have Z
2021-06-12 01:51:47	Hash	hmm
2021-06-12 01:51:54	oxek	then you're not connected over SSL to freenode
2021-06-12 01:51:56	@taw	essiambre: classic SJW with low IQ.
2021-06-12 01:51:56	Byteflux	essiambre: Doesn't change that they inferred something which was not said.
2021-06-12 01:52:02	Hash	Hmm. Thanks for confirming
2021-06-12 01:52:07	^dmt^	What client do you use Hash
2021-06-12 01:52:09	Hash	I'll try to check out my config see what changed
2021-06-12 01:52:12	Hash	weechat 3.x
2021-06-12 01:52:36	^dmt^	 /Set irc.server.freenode.ssl on
2021-06-12 01:52:38	TarbalOrDishonr	ssl is a pointless flex for a channel
2021-06-12 01:52:47	@tjr	TarbalOrDishonr: It depends
2021-06-12 01:52:49	→	vaio (~user@gateway/tor-sasl/vaio) has joined #freenode
2021-06-12 01:52:52	oxek	TarbalOrDishonr: it helps with some spam bots
2021-06-12 01:52:54	TarbalOrDishonr	does it really though
2021-06-12 01:53:05	@tjr	TarbalOrDishonr: if you enforce ssl only, I don't think it is
2021-06-12 01:53:10	TarbalOrDishonr	you make the net unusable because of one spam bot
2021-06-12 01:53:16	Hash	Option changed: irc.server.fn.ssl = on  (default if null: off)
2021-06-12 01:53:16	^dmt^	 /Set it.server.freenode.address irc.freenode.net/6697
2021-06-12 01:53:21	Hash	Ok, thank you budd
2021-06-12 01:53:21	^dmt^	That's it
2021-06-12 01:53:22	←	justanotheruser (~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
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2021-06-12 01:53:32	^dmt^	Np
2021-06-12 01:53:35	oxek	the CN is chat.freenode.net
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2021-06-12 01:53:43	^dmt^	I'm sorry 😐
2021-06-12 01:53:50	@tjr	irc.freenode.net will work too for SAN
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2021-06-12 01:54:42	^dmt^	Ipv6.chat.freenode.net ssl certificate is self signed
2021-06-12 01:55:03	→	KingLee (ac3acca0@172.58.204.160) has joined #freenode
2021-06-12 01:55:11	^dmt^	Or just pointed to chat.freenode.net
2021-06-12 01:55:13	@tjr	negative
2021-06-12 01:55:18	^dmt^	Okay
2021-06-12 01:55:22	noot	chat.ipv6.freenode.net
2021-06-12 01:55:24	noot	wrong way around
2021-06-12 01:55:29	MetaNova	they both work
2021-06-12 01:55:31	@tjr	ipv6.chat.freenode.net is in the SAN
2021-06-12 01:55:42	noot	is that new or did i just never notice it
2021-06-12 01:55:48	^dmt^	Costed me a few to see
2021-06-12 01:55:49	@tjr	it is the same
2021-06-12 01:55:50	MetaNova	fairly certain that's new
2021-06-12 01:55:54	noot	i think ipv6.cat.freenode.net makes more sense
2021-06-12 01:55:56	MetaNova	it used to be just chat.ipv6.freenode.net AFAIK
2021-06-12 01:55:57	noot	...
2021-06-12 01:55:59	noot	.chat.*
2021-06-12 01:56:04	swordsmanz	so it is now okaay for staff to engage in behavour like calling pepl "sjw's with low iq" ?
2021-06-12 01:56:06	ansgar	irc.porn is still missing as a subjAltName ;-)
2021-06-12 01:56:11	noot	so kudos on getting bragi going
2021-06-12 01:56:17	noot	ansgar: i think that's actually an accident
2021-06-12 01:56:19	eggy	not sure I noticed, as I don't think I have ssl verification turned on for most networks.. lol
2021-06-12 01:56:21	@tjr	MetaNova: both work
2021-06-12 01:56:27	@tjr	and both did work in the past
2021-06-12 01:56:29	noot	i think andy just reused LetsTOC boxes without cleaning up DNS
2021-06-12 01:56:34	MetaNova	neat
2021-06-12 01:56:44	noot	in the same vein:
2021-06-12 01:56:44	noot	✨ ~ % nc irc.bitcoin.com 6667
2021-06-12 01:56:44	noot	:tildes.freenode.net NOTICE * :*** Looking up your hostname...
2021-06-12 01:56:56	noot	and
2021-06-12 01:56:56	noot	✨ ~ % nc irc.voat.co 6667
2021-06-12 01:56:57	noot	:redondo.freenode.net NOTICE * :*** Looking up your hostname...
2021-06-12 01:57:12	^dmt^	I have 2 computers and I'm on the phone
2021-06-12 01:57:13	ni291187	http://91.233.198.15/referral/ANGELLOVE
2021-06-12 01:57:14	noot	just so happens that the DNS hasn't been updated yet
2021-06-12 01:57:26	^dmt^	I must be sick
2021-06-12 01:57:42	noot	sorry boss i cant come in to work today im thicc
2021-06-12 01:57:43	swordsmanz	also can sopmeopne please providcce actual eveddence to the comunitry of the ownership chain of freenodde ?
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2021-06-12 01:58:29	@tjr	wut?
2021-06-12 01:58:44	noot	"also can someone please provide actual evidence to the community of the ownership chain of freenode"
2021-06-12 01:58:48	Lestad	:)
2021-06-12 01:58:56	@tjr	again, wut?
2021-06-12 01:58:56	essiambre	So, wait, let me get this straight: if I think somebody is a clueless shiteating fuckwit, it's OK to say so?
2021-06-12 01:58:59	noot	yeah not sure
2021-06-12 01:59:04	blackbeard420	yes essiambre
2021-06-12 01:59:07	noot	not much of a chain, i imagine
2021-06-12 01:59:10	blackbeard420	free speech is freespeech
2021-06-12 01:59:20	ni291187	http://91.233.198.15/referral/ANGELLOVE
2021-06-12 01:59:33	TarbalOrDishonr	spaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2021-06-12 01:59:38	Joanna	I think this channel should be put back in auditorium mode +m
2021-06-12 01:59:41	noot	essiambre: typically the problem happens if you were to e.g. evade a quiet to insist on telling someone that
2021-06-12 01:59:45	^dmt^	ask the ops I think 🤔 netiquette important
2021-06-12 01:59:54	noot	or evade an /ignore
2021-06-12 02:00:32	essiambre	Null point. Klines, bans and all that are so very easily evaded.
2021-06-12 02:00:39	swordsmanz	i mean if someone is saying they opwn something they should be able top provide documents to that effect no ?
2021-06-12 02:00:45	^dmt^	We can talk with common sense
2021-06-12 02:01:00	noot	well, yes, but k-lines are a last resort. if you're evading an ignore then you're going to get blatted for harassment
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2021-06-12 02:01:07	noot	if you evade a k-line you're going to get blatted for evasion
2021-06-12 02:01:25	noot	and opers with the adequate tooling with play whackamole until one side gives up
2021-06-12 02:01:35	essiambre	O tannenbaum, wie gruen sind deine Blaetter!
2021-06-12 02:01:46	CrystalMath	essiambre: tbh the only bridge i have on libera is k-lined from there :P
2021-06-12 02:01:58	CrystalMath	essiambre: it still works because of evasion
2021-06-12 02:01:58	noot	what'd it get k-lined for
2021-06-12 02:02:02	@tjr	swordsmanz: if that is the case, please show me documents proving that you own your house/car?
2021-06-12 02:02:03	CrystalMath	its owner got K-lined
2021-06-12 02:02:05	^dmt^	Aww same here
2021-06-12 02:02:06	CrystalMath	and its on the same IP
2021-06-12 02:02:12	essiambre	For what reason? I don't think the Net that Must Not Be Named much cares about being relayed.
2021-06-12 02:02:13	noot	was that intentional?
2021-06-12 02:02:13	blackbeard420	CrystalMath dont say that in front of noot lol
2021-06-12 02:02:22	noot	the majority of k-lines are 1440 minutes long
2021-06-12 02:02:22	CrystalMath	blackbeard420: noot's a libera staffer? :P
2021-06-12 02:02:25	blackbeard420	yes
2021-06-12 02:02:27	noot	:>
2021-06-12 02:02:27	blackbeard420	jess
2021-06-12 02:02:27	CrystalMath	oops
2021-06-12 02:02:35	swordsmanz	tjr:  i dont own any large assetgs like a house or a car
2021-06-12 02:02:40	@tjr	oh, cool
2021-06-12 02:02:42	^dmt^	It's a dude
2021-06-12 02:02:51	noot	i have a large arset
2021-06-12 02:02:56	noot	if u know what i mean
2021-06-12 02:03:05	CrystalMath	noot: i seem to have forgotten what i was talking about
2021-06-12 02:03:07	ni291187	http://91.233.198.15/referral/ANGELLOVE
2021-06-12 02:03:10	CrystalMath	nevermind
2021-06-12 02:03:19	alyx	is this spam
2021-06-12 02:03:21	swordsmanz	i mean if there was a serious dipute about who owned myt hose tho .. i might post that information publically
2021-06-12 02:03:22	noot	i can help you remember if you'd like
2021-06-12 02:03:39	@tjr	swordsmanz: and that is your prerogative
2021-06-12 02:03:57	ni291187	not spam guys
2021-06-12 02:04:01	Stuiterbal	Ban de sketchy links pls
2021-06-12 02:04:08	blackbeard420	nobody clicking that sketchy ass link
2021-06-12 02:04:11	oxek	do not click it, and don't engage the spammers
2021-06-12 02:04:12	swordsmanz	tjr:  its not really so much of a poroigative as sort of a requirement in cases liek this
2021-06-12 02:04:19	TarbalOrDishonr	i might click it if it was the same IP as the user
2021-06-12 02:04:19	@tjr	swordsmanz: and that is your opinion
2021-06-12 02:04:21	^dmt^	Know your enemy
2021-06-12 02:04:34	phyl729	tjr: so like a car title or deed for a property?
2021-06-12 02:04:40	swordsmanz	i mean i dont see any reason to be evansive fro a company to show evedence that they won something.. it is a thingg that happensw all the time
2021-06-12 02:05:06	@tjr	cool
2021-06-12 02:05:40	noot	i think it's a bit pointless to make legal assertions if you're not going to pursue legal action
2021-06-12 02:05:46	noot	and if you are then you'd be talking to them through lawyers
2021-06-12 02:05:50	swordsmanz	tjr:  i mean if someone coul,.d .. liek this set of staff or the other one .. it would go a long way to secureing comunity trust
2021-06-12 02:06:06	alyx	i thought talking through lawyers was the local language
2021-06-12 02:06:23	@tjr	swordsmanz: I somehow don't think that would change anything, if you aren't comfortable using freenode, then don't :) use what you want to use
2021-06-12 02:06:43	noot	i hear xmpp is the bees knees
2021-06-12 02:06:45	essiambre	Just don't tell others where to go.
2021-06-12 02:06:47	@tjr	^
2021-06-12 02:07:03	jonty	It would stop people asking about it, at least :P
2021-06-12 02:07:12	@tjr	some people like matrix too :(
2021-06-12 02:07:17	noot	boo matrix
2021-06-12 02:07:22	alyx	tjr: we call those people "masochists"
2021-06-12 02:07:29	@tjr	lol
2021-06-12 02:07:31	noot	have you had a ~23k user ping timeouts yet
2021-06-12 02:07:39	noot	have you had to stomach the syn join rate alerts when it comes back up
2021-06-12 02:07:41	swordsmanz	i love how talking about other networks is now banned due to the staff nott wanting others to discuss the situation
2021-06-12 02:07:42	essiambre	I used to nuke matrix because all they did was spam parts and joins in large numbers.
2021-06-12 02:07:48	→	rasengag (sid11717@lykos/Iciloo) has joined #freenode
2021-06-12 02:07:56	noot	ici no#
2021-06-12 02:07:59	noot	ici go to bed
2021-06-12 02:08:00	Solbu	At least Matrix got Neo to clean up… ;-)
2021-06-12 02:08:30	rasengag	hello
2021-06-12 02:09:04	swordsmanz	also its kinda funny that this is being done by ppl accuseing others of being sjws afraid of free speach
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2021-06-12 02:09:12	ni291187	http://91.233.198.15/referral/ANGELLOVE
2021-06-12 02:09:33	noot	that better not be goatse
2021-06-12 02:09:43	essiambre	swordsmanz: everybody is two-faced. EVERYbody.
2021-06-12 02:09:52	--	Mode #freenode [+b *!*@180.251.202.208] by rasengan
2021-06-12 02:09:54	←	rasengan has kicked ni291187 (nobody wants to click.)
2021-06-12 02:10:04	alyx	lmao
2021-06-12 02:10:07	^dmt^	True
2021-06-12 02:10:09	alyx	true
2021-06-12 02:10:10	@tjr	yeah, that
2021-06-12 02:10:11	CrystalMath	it's true, i didn't click
2021-06-12 02:10:11	noot	thank you based andy
2021-06-12 02:10:17	noot	i feel more secure
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2021-06-12 02:10:43	swordsmanz	im nowas it ascii ggoastee or just regular goatse ?
2021-06-12 02:11:12	noot	i didnt click it so i dont know
2021-06-12 02:11:23	swordsmanz	was it ascii goatsee or just regular goatsee *
2021-06-12 02:11:27	→	Hash (~Hash@unaffiliated/hash) has joined #freenode
2021-06-12 02:11:31	noot	i dont really want to be ddosed and every sketchy link on irc is an ip catcher until proved otherwise
2021-06-12 02:11:32	TarbalOrDishonr	the world may never know
2021-06-12 02:11:35	Hash	Hi
2021-06-12 02:11:37	←	ptx0 (~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2021-06-12 02:11:39	TarbalOrDishonr	hiya
2021-06-12 02:11:40	Hash	I am back now with SSL enabled.
2021-06-12 02:11:43	Hash	Thank you
2021-06-12 02:11:50	@tjr	jess, new IP addresses are ez to get
2021-06-12 02:11:51	@tjr	js
2021-06-12 02:11:54	@tjr	er, noot
2021-06-12 02:11:59	Hash	tjr: I've replied.
2021-06-12 02:12:01	^dmt^	Debian <3
2021-06-12 02:12:03	noot	fairtly
2021-06-12 02:12:04	noot	fairly
2021-06-12 02:12:15	noot	i tunnel everything out of an ovh machine
2021-06-12 02:12:20	noot	once bitten twice shy
2021-06-12 02:12:22	Hash	Since 2000, on Debian. 2001 on Freenode. Last nick regged in 2003/2004
2021-06-12 02:12:25	@tjr	eh
2021-06-12 02:12:29	Hash	I been on IRC sicne 1992 and MUDding days
2021-06-12 02:12:32	@tjr	you shouldn't really need to worry about ddos then
2021-06-12 02:12:36	noot	indeed
2021-06-12 02:12:44	alyx	you should, however
2021-06-12 02:12:46	jaiya	Hash i was 3 then
2021-06-12 02:12:49	alyx	probably be concerned about fires
2021-06-12 02:12:55	TarbalOrDishonr	MUD's are cool
2021-06-12 02:12:55	noot	my ovh libera node was hit with enough to push it over though
2021-06-12 02:13:03	Hash	I got old! :D
2021-06-12 02:13:03	^dmt^	Debian 2003, Mandrake/Slackware since 2001
2021-06-12 02:13:08	Hash	Time goes by
2021-06-12 02:13:10	noot	it wasn't in their good french DCs though
2021-06-12 02:13:14	eggy	sorry if I missed it, but was it answered as to how # vs ## channels are being handled now? They all simply treated the same?
2021-06-12 02:13:54	alyx	noot: i've heard their french DCs are pretty hot stuff
2021-06-12 02:13:57	CrystalMath	if i wanted to tell you my IP i wouldn't know what to say, CGNAT and all, every time i connect it's different...
2021-06-12 02:14:01	noot	cloud computin
2021-06-12 02:14:02	←	tonymec|away (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/tonymec) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-06-12 02:14:12	@tjr	cgnat is gross
2021-06-12 02:14:13	@tjr	:(
2021-06-12 02:14:25	CrystalMath	tjr: no other options in my country are even possible by regulations
2021-06-12 02:14:31	@tjr	CrystalMath: I hear you
2021-06-12 02:14:31	CrystalMath	IPv6 is banned
2021-06-12 02:14:32	noot	cgnat is a real bastard for dronebl
2021-06-12 02:14:36	@tjr	seriously, no v6?
2021-06-12 02:14:36	noot	I WANT TO PLAY YURI
2021-06-12 02:14:40	--	niak is now known as kn\
2021-06-12 02:14:42	kn\	.
2021-06-12 02:14:43	CrystalMath	tjr: nope, not allowed
2021-06-12 02:14:49	@tjr	lol
2021-06-12 02:14:51	^dmt^	My IP have a ipv6 hostname called "undefined"
2021-06-12 02:15:09	→	b18c5 (2d0e4708@45.14.71.8) has joined #freenode
2021-06-12 02:15:13	CrystalMath	tjr: you need some kind of formal training in IPv6 approved by the government and they don't want to approve anything
2021-06-12 02:15:19	@tjr	lolwut
2021-06-12 02:15:30	b18c5	id like to make a report  of abuse
2021-06-12 02:15:33	Hash	Yuri Shakazaki!
2021-06-12 02:15:38	Hash	One of my fav fightes from KOF series
2021-06-12 02:15:38	^dmt^	I have contract... With 5g phone
2021-06-12 02:15:54	Hash	KOF 94, 95, 96 in the arcades. Good old days.
2021-06-12 02:15:56	CrystalMath	tjr: so yeah there are places where you simply can't escape from CGNAT
2021-06-12 02:16:02	Hash	Now we have online consoles. All social stuff gone
2021-06-12 02:16:05	b18c5	killed a good nick ,for sticking up for freenode .. not cool
2021-06-12 02:16:05	^dmt^	And some bandfree sims
2021-06-12 02:16:06	Hash	I miss arcades
2021-06-12 02:16:24	Hash	I'm in Denver. Need investors
2021-06-12 02:16:29	Hash	Weedcade/Barcade
2021-06-12 02:16:32	Solbu	CrystalMath: North Korea? ;-)
2021-06-12 02:16:35	@tjr	CrystalMath: yeah, starlink has cgnat but at least it has v6
2021-06-12 02:16:40	Hash	Cannabis consumer lound and arcade games, top notch, from Japan
2021-06-12 02:16:44	Hash	Few millions investment.
2021-06-12 02:16:51	Hash	lounge*
2021-06-12 02:17:03	noot	cgnat on v4 and no nat on v6?
2021-06-12 02:17:08	Hash	Anyway
2021-06-12 02:17:16	Hash	Thanks for the help guys
2021-06-12 02:17:31	←	AiwendilH (~kvirc@unaffiliated/AiwendilH) has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)
2021-06-12 02:17:34	b18c5	hash change your nick my mom died from a overdose of hash and ur nick is triggering
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2021-06-12 02:17:44	@tjr	noot: yes
2021-06-12 02:17:46	←	TarbalOrDishonr (~2bppxl@32.211.211.39) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-06-12 02:17:56	@tjr	I actually pre-ordered
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2021-06-12 02:18:01	@tjr	just waiting on it to approve/ship
2021-06-12 02:18:02	b18c5	tjr ima need you to change your nick also
2021-06-12 02:18:15	CrystalMath	b18c5: oh come on... you're going overboard again
2021-06-12 02:18:26	b18c5	yeah because that was damn good nick !
2021-06-12 02:18:26	^dmt^	:-(
2021-06-12 02:18:30	CrystalMath	please calm down
2021-06-12 02:18:37	b18c5	i want reparations !
2021-06-12 02:18:44	@tjr	b18c5: sir, I am going to need you to calm down plz
2021-06-12 02:18:46	@tjr	thx
2021-06-12 02:19:04	^dmt^	I want 🥝🥑 but I only have Coca-Cola
2021-06-12 02:19:07	noot	sir this is wendys
2021-06-12 02:19:17	←	TarbalOrDishonr (~2bppxl@32.211.211.39) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-06-12 02:19:23	Hash	Go to a McDonalds and ask for a Jumbo Jack
2021-06-12 02:19:30	swordsmanz	b18c5:  you cant overdose on hash tho
2021-06-12 02:19:35	^dmt^	Okie
2021-06-12 02:19:37	Hash	Or go to a Jack in the Box and ask for a Large water with cheese. :)
2021-06-12 02:19:39	←	e36freak (~e36freak@unaffiliated/e36freak) has left #freenode
2021-06-12 02:19:57	^dmt^	Near 3AM... Mountain
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2021-06-12 02:20:29	^dmt^	I can have some food let me see
2021-06-12 02:20:38	b18c5	meanwhile the ex freenoders still has power on here
2021-06-12 02:20:41	swordsmanz	also
2021-06-12 02:20:46	swordsmanz	HAIL SATAN
2021-06-12 02:20:57	Hash	Hail Stan! and Cartman too
2021-06-12 02:21:08	Hash	Screw you guys, I'm gooooin home!
2021-06-12 02:21:09	b18c5	oh ur nick says Nwords ( 1 person says) it gets destroyed
2021-06-12 02:21:53	CrystalMath	b18c5: it wasn't ex-freenoders
2021-06-12 02:21:53	b18c5	getting offended for another race is racist btw
2021-06-12 02:22:17	←	teratoma (~user@unaffiliated/teratoma) has quit (Quit: leaving)
2021-06-12 02:22:47	Hash	Race. Whose gonna be first?
2021-06-12 02:22:49	b18c5	maybe im black and i want to prove a point about racism with that nick ?
2021-06-12 02:22:55	CrystalMath	but i mean if you really tried to push buttons you can get yourself banned from any network, there's no limit
2021-06-12 02:22:59	Hash	Race to what? What's the prize?
2021-06-12 02:23:04	b18c5	no one considered that they think black folk can't own internets and pooders
2021-06-12 02:23:10	b18c5	i see what this is ...
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2021-06-12 02:23:18	Hash	Weird word we use
2021-06-12 02:23:47	Hash	Race to natural resources, perhaps. Who in the jungle eats food first!?
2021-06-12 02:23:49	TarbalOrDishonr	45.x.x.x always causing problems
2021-06-12 02:23:56	Hash	Survives. Race to a mate? Who reproduces wins.
2021-06-12 02:24:47	Hash	Race between species for the same resources.
2021-06-12 02:24:51	Hash	Diff species eat diff things, so no race.
2021-06-12 02:25:03	Hash	Hmm. Interesting thoughts in my head. I need more drugs.
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2021-06-12 02:26:01	Hash	Makes sense, if you think about it. Same species, fights for the same resources, as the whole species eats the same things, so there is a race for the resouces.
2021-06-12 02:26:28	Hash	Diff species eat diff things, diff resources, no race. We're not in race with birds, for example. We don't eat bird food.
2021-06-12 02:26:50	 *	essiambre hides his sunflower seeds
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2021-06-12 02:26:52	Hash	So why we say the word 'race' to denote differences in one species of animal? Diff race of humans... race for food.
2021-06-12 02:26:54	Hash	Makes sense.
2021-06-12 02:26:59	Hash	Maybe I'm too high.
2021-06-12 02:27:08	b18c5	you seem hung up on it ...
2021-06-12 02:27:20	Hash	Why not hung down?
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2021-06-12 02:27:27	Hash	Or just simply hung. ;)
2021-06-12 02:27:40	b18c5	so much coins on that nick
2021-06-12 02:27:58	essiambre	Too bad a lot of what's going on here can't be harvested. It'd boost mushroom production dramatically.
2021-06-12 02:28:04	b18c5	that was a straight karen move
2021-06-12 02:28:06	 *	noot snoops around in essiambre's pockets
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2021-06-12 02:28:09	noot	i love sunflower seeds
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2021-06-12 02:28:14	Hash	Northspores is good company.
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2021-06-12 02:28:25	b18c5	but i get killed
2021-06-12 02:28:27	--	Mode #freenode [+b *!*wagon@*.static.asianet.co.th] by taw
2021-06-12 02:28:27	←	taw has kicked wagon (wagon)
2021-06-12 02:28:28	b18c5	they get banned
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2021-06-12 02:28:35	b18c5	fair ..
2021-06-12 02:28:41	noot	/mode +qz $~a
2021-06-12 02:28:47	Hash	You can grow oyster mushrooms in a 5gallon bucket, hot water, ashwood/cedar chips, and grain spawn.
2021-06-12 02:28:49	Hash	3-4 weeks.
2021-06-12 02:28:52	b18c5	i talk shit on these people i get my nick killed my coins are gone
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2021-06-12 02:28:56	b18c5	bitch move
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2021-06-12 02:29:13	noot	you can even add +e for unreg people trying to talk in good fiath
2021-06-12 02:29:14	noot	faith
2021-06-12 02:29:24	essiambre	Oh, hell, I suppose free talk time is over now. The flies have discovered uncovered food.
2021-06-12 02:29:24	Hash	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45b2t7fqhjA This guy has good content
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2021-06-12 02:29:25	pseudo	Grow Mushrooms at Home In A 5 Gallon Bucket (Easy - No Sterilization!) - YouTube
2021-06-12 02:29:40	Hash	from FreshCap co.
2021-06-12 02:29:41	jessicara	i wonder if i would be talking in good faith though
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2021-06-12 02:30:10	noot	just give me op i can do it
2021-06-12 02:30:12	essiambre	Somebody wanna honk an +r on the channel?
2021-06-12 02:30:17	--	Mode #freenode [+r] by taw
2021-06-12 02:30:20	Hash	set +R here maybe?
2021-06-12 02:30:26	TarbalOrDishonr	 lamers
2021-06-12 02:30:28	←	jaiya (~jaiya@unaffiliated/jaiya) has left #freenode
2021-06-12 02:30:29	Hash	Or no.
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2021-06-12 02:30:43	TarbalOrDishonr	let the spammers win constantly
2021-06-12 02:30:44	CrystalMath	Hash: it's +r
2021-06-12 02:30:45	@taw	I think noot's approach is better, just wanted their hosts to kline them too
2021-06-12 02:30:47	jessicara	interesting same kinda spam as elsewhere
2021-06-12 02:30:50	@taw	but can get them from another channel I guess
2021-06-12 02:31:01	--	Mode #freenode [+q $~a] by taw
2021-06-12 02:31:01	WetVacAbortion	so go on their server and spam it
2021-06-12 02:31:04	--	Mode #freenode [-r] by taw
2021-06-12 02:31:05	CrystalMath	are they writing anything at all? or is it just blank?
2021-06-12 02:31:27	MetaNova	a single space
2021-06-12 02:31:30	CrystalMath	ah
2021-06-12 02:31:31	essiambre	The thing about a +q $~a is that idiots can still flood the channel with other stuff.
2021-06-12 02:31:36	WetVacAbortion	rookies
2021-06-12 02:31:38	Hash	All that huge oyster mushroom cluster came from a 1/4inch hole in the bucket. Mycellium is amazing
2021-06-12 02:31:41	CrystalMath	MetaNova: it could have been black text on a black background
2021-06-12 02:31:51	WetVacAbortion	this is what happens when u leave the old fuckers on here
2021-06-12 02:31:56	CrystalMath	essiambre: yeah but these are bots
2021-06-12 02:31:57	kn\	simple eggdrop tcls would fix that
2021-06-12 02:32:13	Hash	OMG, eggdrop/tcl I ahven't heard of that since the late 90s
2021-06-12 02:32:15	Hash	Ha!
2021-06-12 02:32:20	essiambre	Could just be idiot skiddies with a "how-to" for their clients.
2021-06-12 02:32:22	Hash	Windrop/Eggdrop
2021-06-12 02:32:31	WetVacAbortion	what kinda push over buys this shit hole and doesn't clean it up
2021-06-12 02:32:31	CrystalMath	essiambre: i've seen people have fun with ircds, joining like with 100 nicks and then doing /nick on all of them, to spam
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2021-06-12 02:33:00	WetVacAbortion	theres another
2021-06-12 02:33:10	WetVacAbortion	and these ops
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2021-06-12 02:33:13	WetVacAbortion	they know
2021-06-12 02:33:26	WetVacAbortion	but mister kill my nick keeps em on
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2021-06-12 02:35:06	noot	you want +z so unreg people can still be seen by ops
2021-06-12 02:35:08	runk_knullhora	Hej! Är det någon som vill smaka på stora snoppen?!
2021-06-12 02:35:18	noot	then you can do something like /msg sigyn addregexpattern 0 1 /^ $/
2021-06-12 02:35:39	runk_knullhora	noot: vad sägs om att jag sprutar dig i ansiktet? :)
2021-06-12 02:35:45	Hash	English please.
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2021-06-12 02:35:47	noot	i dunno man i dont work here
2021-06-12 02:35:48	runk_knullhora	sorry
2021-06-12 02:35:51	Hash	I think that's swedish?
2021-06-12 02:35:56	Hash	Norwegian?
2021-06-12 02:35:57	runk_knullhora	what are the official languages of freenode?
2021-06-12 02:36:00	Hash	English
2021-06-12 02:36:01	runk_knullhora	it is danish
2021-06-12 02:36:03	Hash	International langauge.
2021-06-12 02:36:05	WetVacAbortion	my god
2021-06-12 02:36:05	Hash	Oh cool.
2021-06-12 02:36:09	WetVacAbortion	hash r u that stupid
2021-06-12 02:36:12	Hash	Danish is awesome
2021-06-12 02:36:17	←	lxsameer (~lxsameer@unaffiliated/lxsameer) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2021-06-12 02:36:19	Hash	I'm very stupid.
2021-06-12 02:36:26	Hash	Probably more stupid than you realize.
2021-06-12 02:36:27	WetVacAbortion	u gotta cool nick though
2021-06-12 02:36:30	WetVacAbortion	keep that shit up
2021-06-12 02:36:35	Hash	Thank you
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2021-06-12 02:36:39	runk_knullhora	WetVacAbortion: what does your nick mean?
2021-06-12 02:36:53	WetVacAbortion	it mean love in french
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2021-06-12 02:37:02	runk_knullhora	is this what freenode has cum to?
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2021-06-12 02:37:13	noot	no cumming in #freenode please
2021-06-12 02:37:13	Hash	runk_knullhora: ignore the trolls.
2021-06-12 02:37:17	noot	i just mopped this floor
2021-06-12 02:37:20	WetVacAbortion	i can call them out the second they enter the chan
2021-06-12 02:37:29	WetVacAbortion	but im not an operator
2021-06-12 02:37:30	runk_knullhora	im sori, my english is nut very god
2021-06-12 02:37:41	Hash	runk_knullhora: you're doing fine. Np
2021-06-12 02:37:43	runk_knullhora	is WetVacAbortion one trol?
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2021-06-12 02:37:55	runk_knullhora	why do they trol freenode?
2021-06-12 02:37:57	Hash	Seems like it. Just ignore unpleantries and focus on good chat with good people.
2021-06-12 02:37:58	runk_knullhora	freenode is for foss!
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2021-06-12 02:37:59	essiambre	Effen A kin unnerstanya, sall gud.
2021-06-12 02:38:07	Solbu	Hash: The user «runk_knullhora» was posting sexual messages, in swedish. (I'm norwegian and can read it :-) )
2021-06-12 02:38:15	Hash	\o/
2021-06-12 02:38:19	runk_knullhora	Solbu: liar, i speak danish
2021-06-12 02:38:26	Hash	No idea why people behave in obnoxious manner.
2021-06-12 02:38:27	runk_knullhora	Solbu is a troll! use google translate to confirm.
2021-06-12 02:38:34	Hash	I'm not a psychologist.
2021-06-12 02:38:34	Solbu	Sier du det, ja? :-)
2021-06-12 02:38:42	oxek	don't comment on spam in here, you're only feeding the trolls. ##comment-on-spam exists for that, or some other channel as well.
2021-06-12 02:38:48	essiambre	Ich sah.
2021-06-12 02:39:01	Hash	I'd rather have fun chat, good times, make friends, good feelings, share good stuff.
2021-06-12 02:39:13	^dmt^	(◠‿◕)
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2021-06-12 02:39:41	runk_knullhora	屪
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2021-06-12 02:40:06	runk_knullhora	╰⋃╯
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2021-06-12 02:40:13	--	Mode #freenode [+q *!*@gateway/tor-sasl/runkknullhora/x-82959182] by Mahjong
2021-06-12 02:40:21	^dmt^	Cool hostname
2021-06-12 02:40:28	root	Hello
2021-06-12 02:41:02	noot	whjat the fuck
2021-06-12 02:41:03	Hash	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TERv85b9krI
2021-06-12 02:41:03	pseudo	Cultivating and Cooking Garden Giants with Paul Stamets - YouTube
2021-06-12 02:41:06	noot	dont one up my hostname
2021-06-12 02:41:08	noot	what the fuck
2021-06-12 02:41:14	root	meow?
2021-06-12 02:41:15	noot	root we're going to have a bust up
2021-06-12 02:41:25	noot	sick fucking rdns homes
2021-06-12 02:41:35	root	<3
2021-06-12 02:41:42	noot	dont irc as root tho
2021-06-12 02:42:00	root	that's a weechat setting
2021-06-12 02:42:07	root	(username)
2021-06-12 02:42:15	noot	weechat is that a client for pissnet
2021-06-12 02:42:25	WetVacAbortion	mahjong all u have to is send the raw data from a .jpeg in here .. u don't need ur bots besides ur only fuckin with yourself if u think about it
2021-06-12 02:43:29	--	Mode #freenode [+q *!*2d0e4708@45.14.71.8] by Foxy
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2021-06-12 02:44:14	^dmt^	Heh seems a open port root with superuser (seems)
2021-06-12 02:44:24	Hash	Hmm. Gardens giant mushrooms, with nut oils, high temp.
2021-06-12 02:44:31	Hash	Interesting. Nutty flavors go well.
2021-06-12 02:44:36	^dmt^	But it's allowed
2021-06-12 02:45:24	^dmt^	You should have a look of the danger's and evaluate
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2021-06-12 02:45:58	noot	crime itc
2021-06-12 02:46:09	noot	i feel hacked please pacify me
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2021-06-12 02:46:19	^dmt^	Hash: I'm going engage the computer
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2021-06-12 02:47:37	Hash	cool
2021-06-12 02:48:11	Hash	I low Pauls' channel. I used his data from Erowid to write the Baseline Cubensis Algorithm to calculate dosage for other species of pilocybin.
2021-06-12 02:48:24	Hash	love*
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2021-06-12 02:49:29	Hash	https://bpa.st/MZNA
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2021-06-12 02:50:25	CrystalMath	btw why didn't anyone answer my question about the new bnc?
2021-06-12 02:51:03	@Foxy	CrystalMath what was the question?
2021-06-12 02:51:05	noot	what was the question
2021-06-12 02:51:06	noot	yes
2021-06-12 02:51:25	CrystalMath	if i connect to it, it automatically stays always on, right? so how do we turn it off later if we want to go back to normal connections?
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2021-06-12 02:51:44	Hash	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K8HuTHTyP8 this one is amazing too
2021-06-12 02:51:44	pseudo	Foraging and Cooking Chicken of the Woods Mushrooms - YouTube
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2021-06-12 02:52:01	noot	/msg *bnc help
2021-06-12 02:52:03	Abrax	foxy: :D
2021-06-12 02:52:04	noot	CrystalMath: ^
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2021-06-12 02:52:22	CrystalMath	noot: ah it has a control interface
2021-06-12 02:52:39	CrystalMath	i didn't connect yet, btw
2021-06-12 02:52:40	@tjr	CrystalMath: yes, it stays on
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2021-06-12 02:54:02	noot	you can connect it to stuff that's not freenode i think
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2021-06-12 02:54:31	essiambre	looks like runk_somebody_or_other making the rounds.
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2021-06-12 02:54:43	noot	PRIVMSG *bnc :addnetwork name=libera.chat server=irc.libera.chat port=6697 tls=yes nick=noot
2021-06-12 02:54:46	noot	:*bnc PRIVMSG noot_ :New network saved. You can now login using your_username/libera.chat:your_password
2021-06-12 02:54:52	noot	cool feature guys
2021-06-12 02:55:01	CrystalMath	i wonder if that was intended
2021-06-12 02:55:12	noot	runk told me to suck their balls and i politely declined
2021-06-12 02:55:18	noot	well i say politely
2021-06-12 02:55:24	noot	i told them i bet their balls are gross and unkempt
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2021-06-12 02:56:34	noot	USERHOST noot_
2021-06-12 02:56:35	noot	:bnc.freenode.net 302 noot_ :noot_=+noot@192.168.220.4
2021-06-12 02:56:37	noot	what kinda cool ip is this
2021-06-12 02:56:43	noot	whos vpn am i on
2021-06-12 02:57:17	@Foxy	CrystalMath the command to disconnect from the bnc is simply: msg *bnc disconnect
2021-06-12 02:57:31	noot	✨ ~ % irc bnc.freenode.net 6097
2021-06-12 02:57:31	noot	:bnc.freenode.net NOTICE * :*** Looking up your hostname...
2021-06-12 02:57:35	noot	did you intend to keep this open
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2021-06-12 02:58:06	CrystalMath	Foxy: okay, thank you!
2021-06-12 02:58:14	@Foxy	yw
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2021-06-12 02:59:28	bin_bash	What makes the freenode bnc any better or different from any other bnc?
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2021-06-12 03:00:21	noot	got a sick paint job
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2021-06-12 03:01:34	^dmt^	i added the network now wat? You must send your password first. /quote PASS <username>/<network>:<password>
2021-06-12 03:01:58	^dmt^	i need to register somewhere?
2021-06-12 03:02:47	@Foxy	only if your not registered with nickserv
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2021-06-12 03:03:49	rasengag	since rasengan has left
2021-06-12 03:03:53	rasengag	i feel it is my duty to take on his place
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2021-06-12 03:04:00	rasengag	as i am clearly the only qualified candidate
2021-06-12 03:04:16	--	Mode #freenode [+q *!*sid11717@lykos/Iciloo] by Foxy
2021-06-12 03:04:24	noot	ici >:[
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2021-06-12 03:05:43	Kasper	free BNC is cool, ty
2021-06-12 03:06:26	noot	what kind of tomfoolery is this https://bpa.st/KHOWQBZJOCLRFF2EXSSX5BPPFE
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2021-06-12 03:10:27	noot	i locked myself out of the bouncer by deleting the default network
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2021-06-12 03:10:57	noot	which is fine because you can just make new bouncer accounts out of unverified nickserv accounts, it just can't actually get on to freenode
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2021-06-12 03:12:04	noot	how does the bouncer deal with dropped nicknames
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2021-06-12 03:13:46	KindOne	prob better off asking in the bnc channel
2021-06-12 03:14:04	dmt__	i just did
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2021-06-12 03:16:12	oxek	which one is the bnc channel?
2021-06-12 03:16:43	@taw	#freenode-bnc
2021-06-12 03:16:45	noot	i was going to tell you a klinechan instead but they're set up well enough to stop you joining
2021-06-12 03:16:50	oxek	taw: thanks
2021-06-12 03:17:40	oxek	is a klinechan a channel that if joined would result in you being K-Lined?
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2021-06-12 03:18:05	noot	yes
2021-06-12 03:18:23	oxek	I see. I'll try to avoid those.
2021-06-12 03:19:12	c	that means you would stay on freenode, seems like a tough choice
2021-06-12 03:20:01	oxek	c: is that for me?
2021-06-12 03:20:17	c	let's ask mr owl
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2021-06-12 03:23:22	Hash	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ4KoxeTu-8
2021-06-12 03:23:22	pseudo	HOLY CRAP! It cut through glass like it was NOTHING!! - YouTube
2021-06-12 03:23:37	Z4CHe	happy friday all
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2021-06-12 03:23:54	Hash	I wanted to go camping but ti's weekend
2021-06-12 03:24:02	Hash	Everywhere will be packed. Good time is middle of week.
2021-06-12 03:26:01	noot	whos bot is pseudo and does it have a sigyn exemption
2021-06-12 03:26:11	CrystalMath	Z4CHe: i have work tomorrow :(
2021-06-12 03:26:40	Z4CHe	oh damn... i'm sorry.
2021-06-12 03:27:09	CrystalMath	but it's just this weekend
2021-06-12 03:27:39	Z4CHe	what do you do?
2021-06-12 03:27:54	CrystalMath	i'm a university TA
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2021-06-12 03:28:00	CrystalMath	there's an exam tomorrow
2021-06-12 03:28:16	@Foxy	Jess == laurelai
2021-06-12 03:28:16	--	Mode #freenode [+b *!*@internet.relay.cat] by phanes
2021-06-12 03:28:30	←	phanes has kicked noot (bye felicia)
2021-06-12 03:28:31	bin_bash	Foxy: wait what
2021-06-12 03:28:33	Z4CHe	ah. well at least it's an indoor job.
2021-06-12 03:28:42	CrystalMath	Z4CHe: we have to book them on weird days to ensure proper distance and stuff
2021-06-12 03:28:53	bin_bash	Foxy: that's a really serious accusation, do you have proof of that
2021-06-12 03:29:15	vvande	Is there someone here who can help me register a channel. It seems I can't get ops and can't register. Catch 22.
2021-06-12 03:29:30	Z4CHe	i'm sick of covid.]
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2021-06-12 03:30:45	essiambre	Things seem to be getting better, but I won't be a believer until I can run off to the Walmart at 2 AM to pick up some groceries.
2021-06-12 03:31:03	bin_bash	why would you want to do that
2021-06-12 03:31:09	CrystalMath	i did that
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2021-06-12 03:31:43	bin_bash	:(
2021-06-12 03:31:46	CrystalMath	i took a long walk one day and i stopped by at a supermarket on the way back
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2021-06-12 03:31:53	CrystalMath	it was 2 AM
2021-06-12 03:31:56	bin_bash	nice
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2021-06-12 03:32:22	essiambre	When you work late and don't have anything in the fridge, Walmart used to be the only thing to do.
2021-06-12 03:32:34	--	Mode #freenode [-b *!*@internet.relay.cat] by rasengan
2021-06-12 03:32:34	bin_bash	no nenarby publix?
2021-06-12 03:32:36	ljharb	heads up, user  runk_knullhora was spamming in #node.js
2021-06-12 03:32:40	essiambre	Now you have to hope the convenience stores have sandwiches or frozen pizza or something.
2021-06-12 03:32:53	ljharb	I’ve akicked them but it seems like it’d be easier to kline
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2021-06-12 03:33:14	essiambre	ljharb: also in ##linux and in here. Seems to be making rounds.
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2021-06-12 03:33:47	hwpplayer1	hi FreeNode!
2021-06-12 03:34:02	CrystalMath	bin_bash: oh and i had to wait in line
2021-06-12 03:34:12	CrystalMath	bin_bash: there were others buying groceries at 2 AM
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2021-06-12 03:34:28	hwpplayer1	and talk to you soon
2021-06-12 03:34:30	hwpplayer1	bye
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2021-06-12 03:35:18	bin_bash	CrystalMath: that's wild
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2021-06-12 03:42:14	quiliro	why did phanes kick noot?
2021-06-12 03:42:45	Hash	None of my channels ever get hit with spam :)
2021-06-12 03:43:13	noot	set ur channels +s for to avoid spam
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2021-06-12 03:43:40	CrystalMath	quiliro: possibly a mistake
2021-06-12 03:43:43	essiambre	I set mine +r, cuts down craploads of noise.
2021-06-12 03:43:55	noot	well someone dropped my account too
2021-06-12 03:43:58	noot	twice!
2021-06-12 03:44:14	noot	but i hear leadership has rectified this misuse of power
2021-06-12 03:44:40	Hash	miuse of power?
2021-06-12 03:44:52	Hash	Or more like learning how to run a network. Things take time.
2021-06-12 03:46:26	bin_bash	learning to not op abuse takes time?
2021-06-12 03:46:43	Hash	learning how to live, takes time.
2021-06-12 03:46:53	noot	yes i died multiple times while a baby
2021-06-12 03:47:10	CrystalMath	as an op i only misused my power on channels that have 5 users or less, and only twice in my lifetime
2021-06-12 03:47:20	CrystalMath	and once, it was a ban i set on myself, so that maybe doesn't even count
2021-06-12 03:47:36	CrystalMath	(though technically...)
2021-06-12 03:47:41	noot	those are rookie numbers
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2021-06-12 03:48:07	noot	you must write a bot to automate power abuse
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2021-06-12 03:52:36	CrystalMath	noot: it's just, when it's a small channel and everyone's an op, it just doesn't feel serious you know?
2021-06-12 03:53:23	noot	ya
2021-06-12 03:53:32	CrystalMath	and i did this on quakenet
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2021-06-12 03:54:13	noot	i've had oper override kick fights in private channels with other opers
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2021-06-12 03:56:47	CrystalMath	noot: what happened there was that i got angry, /kb'd someone and said i'm never coming back, then /parted
2021-06-12 03:56:58	CrystalMath	i made good on that promise, i never came back
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2021-06-12 03:57:59	CrystalMath	noot: but that still counts as an instance of chanop power abuse
2021-06-12 03:58:08	CrystalMath	:(
2021-06-12 03:58:15	CrystalMath	i should have thought more about my perfect record
2021-06-12 03:58:48	noot	aiming for perfection will lead to inaction
2021-06-12 03:58:52	noot	mistakes are how we learn
2021-06-12 03:59:32	a1	we must be full steam ahead to perfection then
2021-06-12 04:01:39	essiambre	Life is SO much like trying to hit the bull's eye from 200m with a blunderbus1
2021-06-12 04:02:07	noot	life is a rollercoaster just gotta ride it
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2021-06-12 04:08:33	KindOne	root: you should not irc as root, that is a bit of a bad idea. just sayin.
2021-06-12 04:09:14	CrystalMath	KindOne: but of course it can be a fake username
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2021-06-12 04:09:49	noot	its fucking andrew
2021-06-12 04:09:50	noot	thats so annoying
2021-06-12 04:10:00	dmt__	yes oidentd.conf its spoofable
2021-06-12 04:10:19	KindOne	True, but some channels also ban *!root@* and *!~root@*
2021-06-12 04:10:20	Hash	Why is it a bad idea?
2021-06-12 04:10:39	dmt__	yes well let they personally handle it -_-
2021-06-12 04:11:16	CrystalMath	noot: wait root = rasengan?
2021-06-12 04:11:25	CrystalMath	i didn't know
2021-06-12 04:11:30	noot	well, like
2021-06-12 04:11:39	noot	02:04 -!- root [root@internet.relay.chat] has joined #freenode-bnc
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2021-06-12 04:11:45	dmt__	i doubt i can remember the reason if somebody hack you got all the power
2021-06-12 04:11:48	noot	and he seems like the kind of person to buy a domain like that
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2021-06-12 04:11:58	dmt__	not like, limited user only
2021-06-12 04:12:01	noot	mine is far cooler
2021-06-12 04:12:20	noot	i think he saw mine and got envious
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2021-06-12 04:13:27	dmt__	this conversation about domains reminds me my few abandoned domains
2021-06-12 04:13:33	KindOne	Hash: if someone finds a bug in a irc client they could try to exploit that bug and possible take control of your irc client, so irc'ing as root well... you are going to have a bad time.
2021-06-12 04:14:02	CrystalMath	KindOne: but really, you'll always have a bad time if that happens
2021-06-12 04:14:08	noot	well if they exploit a client running as not-root then they just have to wait until you next sudo
2021-06-12 04:15:16	CrystalMath	so maybe the advice should be only run IRC clients in tight sandboxes?
2021-06-12 04:15:23	@phanes	or to not use sudo
2021-06-12 04:15:29	CrystalMath	or that, yeah
2021-06-12 04:15:40	CrystalMath	i sometimes use sudo though :/
2021-06-12 04:15:45	CrystalMath	when i'm in a hurry
2021-06-12 04:15:46	@phanes	same
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2021-06-12 04:15:52	noot	well the same goes for the su binary
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2021-06-12 04:16:01	CrystalMath	noot: but not going to another tty
2021-06-12 04:16:08	CrystalMath	and logging in there (which is what i do most of the time)
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2021-06-12 04:16:17	CrystalMath	also SAK before that (alt+sysrq+k)
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2021-06-12 04:16:24	@root	On a personal linux desktop, access to $ is essentially as horrible as #.  It's not like you locked your 'important personal files' in a root only area.
2021-06-12 04:16:37	CrystalMath	root: yeah, that's the problem
2021-06-12 04:16:51	@root	CrystalMath: Thus, you're right; containerized is the safest bet.
2021-06-12 04:17:08	KindOne	all my irc crap is in separate users
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2021-06-12 04:17:32	Hash	All my irc runs in a vps, disconnected from everything, no other data or anything.
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2021-06-12 04:17:37	Hash	root or not root, doesn't matter.
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2021-06-12 04:25:30	dmt__	cool
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2021-06-12 05:25:11	catgirl	did irccloud get klined or something?
2021-06-12 05:26:27	KindOne	Yeah. someone accidentally klined about 4k ircclould users. They removed the kline.
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2021-06-12 05:36:16	Hash	Blunders like this will make the numbers drops, and some loss will be permanent.
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2021-06-12 05:44:07	essiambre	Yeah. Idiots like me who don't know anything will be all "@#$#@%#" "?????!" "BYE!"
2021-06-12 05:44:51	@taw	essiambre: you're alright, bud
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2021-06-12 06:19:59	ljharb	it seems like a particularly unfortunate time to make mistakes when everyone’s claiming malice :-/ perhaps it’d be wise to under-do the enforcement actions rather than risk over-doing them?
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2021-06-12 07:25:00	r0bby	ljharb: I mean what do you expect from a team of staffers who doesn't have a clue what they're doing.
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2021-06-12 09:33:04	Bratishka	Are there any mechanisms for taking a channel that has moved to another server?
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2021-06-12 09:44:12	@root	freenode provides a free bnc to anyone who wishes to stay on, all the time.  Just point your client to bnc.freenode.net port 6697 [ssl enabled] and set your IRC password (connection password) to nickserv-nick:password.  This is provided free and the bouncer is open source.  Enjoy!
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2021-06-12 09:52:10	Bratishka	Anybody here?
2021-06-12 09:53:23	KindOne	Yes?
2021-06-12 09:53:48	Bratishka	KindOne: are there any mechanisms for taking a channel that has moved (with all moderators / bots) to another server?
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2021-06-12 09:55:34	KindOne	You will need to speak with staff about that, they are op'd here.
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2021-06-12 09:56:38	Bratishka	They clearly indicated their move to OFTC in the topic
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2021-06-12 09:58:11	Bratishka	root rVn ryzen sony taw tjr TzepesH Foxy gamer
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2021-06-12 09:59:34	Bratishka	lolwut?
2021-06-12 10:00:08	KindOne	Don't masshilight people. Just wait around for one of them to show up so you can talk with them about it.
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2021-06-12 10:00:19	Bratishka	KindOne okay
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2021-06-12 10:01:13	KindOne	(I don't know anything on this matter)
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2021-06-12 10:02:04	Descartes	Does Freenode have a channel for PS3 users?
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2021-06-12 10:03:00	KindOne	Descartes, you could try seaching via ALIS, /msg ALIS help list
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2021-06-12 11:34:22	buhman	> You were banned from adams.freenode.net: You are banned from this server- [#1480] Contact support@freenode.net (2021/6/11 05.18)
2021-06-12 11:34:31	buhman	Why did the server send me this message?
2021-06-12 11:34:49	buhman	Why am I apparently no longer banned?
2021-06-12 11:36:24	crabbedhaloablut	buhman: are you on irccloud? Cause some genius in here banned irccloud yesterday :-D
2021-06-12 11:36:42	buhman	hahaha
2021-06-12 11:37:20	crabbedhaloablut	Sometimes it's hard to find out if they are cartoon villains or cartoon fools.
2021-06-12 11:37:22	swordsmanz	buhman:  becouse the jacobites have started banning ppl on mas on whims..
2021-06-12 11:37:28	buhman	damn, I was hoping I was important enough to be targeted individually.
2021-06-12 11:37:57	swordsmanz	buhman:  proberbly best to just flee this network at this point
2021-06-12 11:38:11	crabbedhaloablut	No, you just got stained when they knocked over the inkpot.
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2021-06-12 11:41:43	mst	crabbedhaloablut: I'd point out that "accidentally banning an entire provider" is not honestly anything new
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2021-06-12 11:42:10	mst	back when I was staff I accidentally banned half of linode twice and all of digitalocean once
2021-06-12 11:42:41	rbraun	ooooh i think i even remember that DO ban
2021-06-12 11:42:59	rbraun	and of course there was the famous "all of IPv4" k-line in 2017
2021-06-12 11:43:04	mst	rbraun: basically, I banned their rdns but with a specific ident
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2021-06-12 11:43:18	mst	then it turned out one of the bots replicated klines without the ident
2021-06-12 11:43:21	mst	and *foom*
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2021-06-12 11:43:24	rbraun	woops
2021-06-12 11:43:30	crabbedhaloablut	mst: Yeah, the difference is, you didn't do it after gutting the policies and intentionally hijacking 700++ channels just because you can.
2021-06-12 11:43:30	crabbedhaloablut	Context is everything.
2021-06-12 11:43:43	rbraun	crabbedhaloablut: yep
2021-06-12 11:44:07	mst	crabbedhaloablut: oh, sure, just saying that this -specific- mistake isn't evidence towards that (unlike everything else ;)
2021-06-12 11:44:10	rbraun	well, i hear the guy who wrote the buggy hijacking script and probably ran it is no longer staff ;)
2021-06-12 11:44:32	crabbedhaloablut	Honest mistake is honest mistake. Honest mistake in a sea of malicious actions is unlikely to be seen as a honest mistake.
2021-06-12 11:44:35	swordsmanz	mst:  yah iu mean that dident happen under a coinintelpro coop tho
2021-06-12 11:45:17	mst	rbraun: and the linode thing was cos they assigned -1- v6 address to each VM, so normal banning tools that assumed normal v6 allocation were, uh, prone to collateral damage :D
2021-06-12 11:45:31	rbraun	both times?
2021-06-12 11:45:44	mst	yes
2021-06-12 11:45:50	mst	the first one because I didn't know
2021-06-12 11:45:56	mst	the second one because I forgot to check
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2021-06-12 11:46:04	crabbedhaloablut	rbraun: Not because he's a bumpling cartoon villain, though. He got kicked because he blackmailed people with their own nudes
2021-06-12 11:46:16	crabbedhaloablut	As in, actual villain
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2021-06-12 11:46:45	mst	crabbedhaloablut: I k-lined him quite a few times during my staff stint
2021-06-12 11:47:11	rbraun	crabbedhaloablut: yep
2021-06-12 11:47:17	crabbedhaloablut	mst: good on ya
2021-06-12 11:47:48	mst	but I stand by "accidentally murdering irccloud is the sort of dumbassery that happens to all of us"
2021-06-12 11:48:12	mst	I have been vocally critical of much other dumbassery from the New Management
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2021-06-12 11:48:15	rbraun	what about failing to RESV nickserv >_>
2021-06-12 11:48:38	crabbedhaloablut	rbraun: I think they blamed that on the old management.
2021-06-12 11:48:39	mst	rbraun: that's ... complicated
2021-06-12 11:48:53	crabbedhaloablut	Which is funny.
2021-06-12 11:48:59	mst	the ircd requires a /sendbans after linking in a new server
2021-06-12 11:49:08	mst	to propagate resvs to the system that just came up
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2021-06-12 11:50:13	mst	basically the freenode ircd setup is optimised very heavily for being run by people who know the system and have the appropriate runbook handy, and all of those people were, um, no longer available, let us say
2021-06-12 11:50:56	ansgar	mst: That means it's broken as there are probably race conditions (until /sendbans) is sent?
2021-06-12 11:51:32	mst	ansgar: it means you don't un-firewall it until it's fully set up
2021-06-12 11:51:33	ansgar	A sensible IRC server would probably just reserve NickServ in its default configuration anyway.
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2021-06-12 11:52:20	mst	ansgar: there's no race condition if you follow the runbook, but ... well ...
2021-06-12 11:52:26	crabbedhaloablut	Soon, they won't need all the servers they do have, so that failure is unlikely to repeat itself at  least.
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2021-06-12 11:52:53	ansgar	mst: It's still a fragile process then.  But meh, it's old UNIX software.
2021-06-12 11:53:22	mst	ansgar: it's not fragile, it's about centralised management
2021-06-12 11:53:51	mst	"don't expose a half configured system to the internet" is important everywhere
2021-06-12 11:54:38	ansgar	mst: Having to do something manually which the system good just do automatically makes a process fragile.  People *will* forget it
2021-06-12 11:54:49	ansgar	s/good/could/
2021-06-12 11:54:51	mst	ansgar: why do you assume it was manual
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2021-06-12 11:55:26	ansgar	mst: It clearly didn't happen automatically on linking a server? :)
2021-06-12 11:55:51	mst	ansgar: because the New Management aren't using the automation system that was used by prior staff
2021-06-12 11:56:09	crabbedhaloablut	*headdesk*
2021-06-12 11:57:14	mst	ansgar: stand things designed to be set up by automation manually, this is the sort of thing that can happen
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2021-06-12 11:59:33	mst	I believe the new server automation has since been corrected, mind
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2021-06-12 13:12:26	Aaron	<n00b101> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Pfn8gSd1/output.mp4
2021-06-12 13:12:31	Aaron	can someone gline this loser?
2021-06-12 13:13:02	n00b101	what?
2021-06-12 13:13:06	n00b101	what happend?
2021-06-12 13:13:13	Aaron	why are you spamming ?
2021-06-12 13:13:15	immibis	what is wrong with this mp4?
2021-06-12 13:13:18	Aaron	in channels like that?
2021-06-12 13:13:32	n00b101	do you feel like i'm trading
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2021-06-12 13:13:39	n00b101	?
2021-06-12 13:13:56	Aaron	Not really before there was no spam. in Channels unless you we're spamming about your project.
2021-06-12 13:14:17	Aaron	is this output mp4 about python?
2021-06-12 13:14:22	n00b101	guy in group needed the entire output
2021-06-12 13:14:25	n00b101	who are you
2021-06-12 13:14:36	Aaron	Just someone who cares...
2021-06-12 13:14:37	Aaron	;)
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2021-06-12 13:14:52	n00b101	i dont like to waste time
2021-06-12 13:15:02	Aaron	then /ignore Aaron ;)
2021-06-12 13:15:03	Aaron	and be happy.
2021-06-12 13:15:08	n00b101	if it was spam, i woudl not send it
2021-06-12 13:15:44	Aaron	well there is botnets coming in and. SPAMMING, with all this freenode vs LIBERA CRAP.
2021-06-12 13:16:18	Aaron	are you ptx0?
2021-06-12 13:16:20	Aaron	:X
2021-06-12 13:16:23	immibis	and does this mp4 have anything to do with libera?
2021-06-12 13:19:26	kn\	?
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2021-06-12 13:21:44	@sorcerer	:o
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2021-06-12 13:31:03	Bratishka	I repeat my question, maybe someone hasn't seen it: Are there mechanisms for taking over a channel that has moved to another server? This is directly stated in the topic of the channel.
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2021-06-12 13:35:34	mst	Bratishka: after 60 days the channel may be considered expired
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2021-06-12 13:38:24	Bratishka	> may be considered expired
2021-06-12 13:38:25	Bratishka	In which case?
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2021-06-12 13:49:07	epony	with that level of understanding, better not touch any channels ;-)
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2021-06-12 14:07:36	habnabit__	hello my primary nick is banned and i didn't get any notification or warning.. seems like an accidental ban à la the previous irccloud ban etc. so could i get that reversed?
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2021-06-12 14:25:43	tmm88	heyho everyone
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2021-06-12 14:26:45	habnabit__	hello my primary nick is banned and i didn't get any notification or warning.. seems like an accidental ban à la the previous irccloud ban etc. so could i get that reversed?
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2021-06-12 14:45:55	vaio	is freenode both irc and foss ?
2021-06-12 14:46:10	vaio	or is freenode only irc ?
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2021-06-12 14:49:29	Tenues	vaio: I think they run ircd-seven, which is FOSS.
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2021-06-12 14:49:47	Tenues	vaio: They also run atheme services (or used to), which is also FOSS.
2021-06-12 14:50:09	vaio	yeah i think microsoft runs openbsd on their update servers, it won't make microsoft foss
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2021-06-12 14:50:57	vaio	(or used to run openbsd, idk if it's still the case)
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2021-06-12 14:51:24	Tenues	vaio: FOSS is free and open source software. Microsoft is a company. It is not software, in the same way as an apple is not software. I don't see the point.
2021-06-12 14:51:33	vaio	freenode is a company too
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2021-06-12 14:52:21	vaio	root: could you please answer this humble question ?
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2021-06-12 14:53:06	Tenues	vaio: It sounds like ##philosophy.
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2021-06-12 14:53:34	vaio	idk, id just like to "hear" lee's opinion on the subject
2021-06-12 14:54:12	vaio	im not sure some random people could know what lee is thinking
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2021-06-12 14:54:33	Tenues	vaio: It's the equivalent of appealing to someone's opinion on whether an apple is a banana. It says more about the question's originator.
2021-06-12 14:54:47	vaio	what ?
2021-06-12 14:54:58	vaio	i'm refering to lee's post on the freenode website
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2021-06-12 14:55:21	vaio	one says "freenode is foss", and now the main page displays "freenode is irc"
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2021-06-12 14:56:03	vaio	he's the one stating apples are bananas
2021-06-12 14:56:33	rob0	Similarly, last night while rasengen was active, I asked what he sees as the added value for freenode and the communities here since the change of management last month?  And, where does he see freenode improving in the future?  I got a reply from a staff member but not from Mr. Lee.
2021-06-12 14:56:51	malign	vaio: you are reading too much into those slogans.
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2021-06-12 14:57:31	vaio	ok y'all opinions on the matter are pretty useless. are you lee's spokeperson or something ?
2021-06-12 14:57:32	Tenues	vaio: You can share the link maybe. I can't say I'm making much sense of this.
2021-06-12 14:57:46	vaio	Tenues: freenode.net/archive i think
2021-06-12 14:57:54	vaio	look it up, it's quite easy
2021-06-12 14:58:08	Tenues	vaio: That's a list of dozens of posts.
2021-06-12 14:58:15	vaio	omfg
2021-06-12 14:58:26	Tenues	vaio: Perhaps, communicating clearly helps people know what you mean.
2021-06-12 14:58:43	malign	A lot of noise over nothing.
2021-06-12 14:58:55	rob0	And my point is, Mr. Lee will answer what he wants to, when he wants to, and there is nothing anyone else can do about it.
2021-06-12 14:59:09	vaio	rob0: yeah i feel like so
2021-06-12 14:59:21	malign	Freenode is an irc network that is focused on foss projects. Yes, freenode is organized as a company structure.
2021-06-12 14:59:37	vaio	lol, not reading you
2021-06-12 14:59:46	placeb0	how is freenode a company if they are not selling anything?
2021-06-12 15:01:32	Tenues	malign: All non-profits should incorporate. Without doing it, there is no legal mechanism to protect assets and so forward. The Linux Foundation, Free Software Foundation etc. are all incorporated. It is a good idea.
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2021-06-12 15:02:11	malign	Tenues: can't argue against that.
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2021-06-12 15:06:57	Tenues	malign: Yup. Gawd... sorry for looking derisive. People have just been saying this for weeks. An airline also stuffed up my flights for a holiday, so in a bit of a mood.
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2021-06-12 15:07:36	malign	Tenues: no need to apologize.
2021-06-12 15:08:37	 *	sorcerer waves to malign
2021-06-12 15:08:43	malign	hi sorcerer
2021-06-12 15:08:52	@sorcerer	hallo mate
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2021-06-12 15:09:13	b18c6	how come when i enter here the 1st time it tells me invalid chan
2021-06-12 15:09:20	b18c6	but when i try again it works ..
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2021-06-12 15:18:14	oxek	b18c6: what's the exact command you use and the error message?
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2021-06-12 15:20:52	b18c6	"/" join #thename
2021-06-12 15:20:57	b18c6	i might have added a space
2021-06-12 15:21:32	 *	eggy waves
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2021-06-12 15:23:11	oxek	/join #thename
2021-06-12 15:23:17	oxek	b18c6: works for me just fine
2021-06-12 15:23:32	oxek	what is the exact error message when you try joining #thename
2021-06-12 15:24:04	b18c6	#freenode
2021-06-12 15:24:04	b18c6	JOIN CHANNEL
2021-06-12 15:24:05	b18c6	09:08:59
2021-06-12 15:24:05	b18c6	Illegal channel name
2021-06-12 15:24:21	b18c6	i think i put a space at the end of the chan name
2021-06-12 15:24:28	b18c6	pretty sure i did now
2021-06-12 15:24:46	oxek	spaces at the end should not matter
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2021-06-12 15:36:03	b18c6	it mattered
2021-06-12 15:36:12	b18c6	try it out
2021-06-12 15:36:52	oxek	i did
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2021-06-12 15:39:56	nyany	i did "/join #freenode                                                             " and it worked
2021-06-12 15:41:59	Solbu	It might be that different clients handles spaces in channel names differently.
2021-06-12 15:42:00	Tools	Maybe Kiwi does things differently :p
2021-06-12 15:44:18	fedorafan	why did you do that split
2021-06-12 15:44:33	@keitwo	which one
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2021-06-12 15:44:40	fedorafan	freenode libera
2021-06-12 15:44:45	@keitwo	old news
2021-06-12 15:44:46	@keitwo	next
2021-06-12 15:44:50	fedorafan	what is old news
2021-06-12 15:45:21	@keitwo	the thing that happened a month ago and has been publicized on various news outlets and through @freenode on Twitter
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2021-06-12 15:45:33	fedorafan	still i have no clue
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2021-06-12 15:45:46	@keitwo	You can also check out https://freenode.net/archive if you're really curious
2021-06-12 15:45:54	fedorafan	what is the point
2021-06-12 15:46:08	Hash	People are impulsive.
2021-06-12 15:46:13	fedorafan	ok
2021-06-12 15:46:14	b18c6	SHUT UP !
2021-06-12 15:46:15	Hash	People like drama, moral pedastals...
2021-06-12 15:46:16	b18c6	im sorry
2021-06-12 15:46:19	fedorafan	ok
2021-06-12 15:46:25	b18c6	-=)
2021-06-12 15:46:26	Hash	Why anything, really
2021-06-12 15:46:32	Hash	Because... 'mind'.
2021-06-12 15:46:37	b18c6	yassss
2021-06-12 15:46:42	b18c6	it all starts in the mind
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2021-06-12 15:46:49	Tenues	Hash: Compulsive eyes never run dry?
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2021-06-12 15:47:11	fedorafan	andrew you were drunken and was fucked
2021-06-12 15:47:18	fedorafan	man i always am
2021-06-12 15:47:24	@keitwo	Before this discussion even starts, we're not doing this again folks
2021-06-12 15:47:29	fedorafan	ok
2021-06-12 15:47:32	Hash	If it were me in the position of freenode staff, I'd not have claimed hostility, immorality, takeovers, walkouts, enmasse protests... fracturing IRC. I'd have waited, gotten people together, gotten an open disucsion going.
2021-06-12 15:47:32	@keitwo	So please just be done with it and move on
2021-06-12 15:47:38	fedorafan	so you dont want
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2021-06-12 15:47:44	Hash	People however felt it was best to fracture IRC, create a network, retain control.
2021-06-12 15:47:49	b18c6	keitwo did u bang a fat girl ?
2021-06-12 15:47:53	fedorafan	man
2021-06-12 15:48:03	fedorafan	irc is a spamchat
2021-06-12 15:48:06	fedorafan	you come here
2021-06-12 15:48:07	b18c6	"it never happened move on"
2021-06-12 15:48:10	fedorafan	spread some shit and go away
2021-06-12 15:48:10	Tenues	Hash: Oo IRC has always been fractured. : P
2021-06-12 15:48:11	Hash	All boils down to control. All institutions, including freenode, seek to maximize control. When Lee came around, they thought they'd lost control.
2021-06-12 15:48:11	fedorafan	right
2021-06-12 15:48:12	@keitwo	b18c6: And?
2021-06-12 15:48:19	@keitwo	Was that supposed to be an insult?
2021-06-12 15:48:26	b18c6	no was suppose to be a joke
2021-06-12 15:48:27	Hash	From me?
2021-06-12 15:48:29	Hash	No.
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2021-06-12 15:48:35	b18c6	i found it kinda funny
2021-06-12 15:48:37	@keitwo	Alright, so, who cares how much someone weighs
2021-06-12 15:48:43	b18c6	oh jeebus
2021-06-12 15:48:44	fedorafan	its cool
2021-06-12 15:48:45	Hash	I'm confused.
2021-06-12 15:48:45	@keitwo	If the love's there, it doesn't matter
2021-06-12 15:48:51	fedorafan	what are you plaing for your future here
2021-06-12 15:48:55	Hash	Must not be talking of me.
2021-06-12 15:49:00	b18c6	.... it was a joke ...
2021-06-12 15:49:09	Tenues	keitwo: Doctors care.
2021-06-12 15:49:18	@keitwo	Tenues Well yeah, for obvious reasons
2021-06-12 15:49:19	b18c6	saying you sounded like someone who made a regret
2021-06-12 15:49:21	b18c6	we all been there
2021-06-12 15:49:25	b18c6	now lol and move on
2021-06-12 15:49:51	fedorafan	deal with these children and after a while they will stop
2021-06-12 15:49:58	Hash	Anyway, so that's what happened. If people impulsively make decisions because they lost control, isn't a great sign of maturity, imho. That coupled with inexperiened management. It will be a while before things mend themselves.
2021-06-12 15:50:10	fedorafan	control?
2021-06-12 15:50:21	b18c6	i blame the parents
2021-06-12 15:50:25	fedorafan	wtf
2021-06-12 15:50:25	@keitwo	Please end this discussion or take it into private messages if you're that keen
2021-06-12 15:50:40	fedorafan	ok so what are you now planning
2021-06-12 15:50:47	Tenues	Hash: Impulsively setting up servers and legal structures seems unlikely.
2021-06-12 15:51:06	fedorafan	you ban chanadmins?
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2021-06-12 15:51:54	fedorafan	andrew drink better beer
2021-06-12 15:52:02	fedorafan	and dont wast time with these guys
2021-06-12 15:52:04	fedorafan	really
2021-06-12 15:52:06	--	Mode #freenode [+mz] by keitwo
2021-06-12 15:52:27	@keitwo	knock yourselves out
2021-06-12 15:52:32	@keitwo	oxek actually ya
2021-06-12 15:52:45	--	Mode #freenode [+q *!*@unaffiliated/fedorafan] by keitwo
2021-06-12 15:52:57	--	Mode #freenode [+q *!*@45.14.71.10] by keitwo
2021-06-12 15:52:59	--	Mode #freenode [-mz] by keitwo
2021-06-12 15:53:51	Hash	Did that really require a +q? Seemed like he just meant, have a good beer and don't worry about people.
2021-06-12 15:53:56	Hash	*shrug*
2021-06-12 15:54:15	@keitwo	Well, I kinda already said end the discussion two or three times.
2021-06-12 15:54:35	Hash	*nod*
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2021-06-12 15:59:45	Hash	What's the 'best' web IRC client self hosted
2021-06-12 15:59:49	Hash	In your opinions?
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2021-06-12 16:00:09	Hash	Something people can use on my site, and connect to say freenode of my channels.
2021-06-12 16:00:16	Hash	Like a chat section on my website.
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2021-06-12 16:01:47	Tenues	Hash: This is quite good: https://kiwiirc.com
2021-06-12 16:03:28	Tenues	Hash: tbh though, IRC is not a good medium for a webchat. IRCds require maintaining persist TCP connections, which don't fit well with HTTP, which is asynchronious.
2021-06-12 16:03:34	Hash	Hmm.
2021-06-12 16:03:46	Hash	I wanted something simple, easy, no signups or anything.
2021-06-12 16:04:01	Hash	I plan on making a discord, but that requires sign up.
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2021-06-12 16:04:24	Tenues	Hash: It doesn't require a sign up: https://github.com/kiwiirc/kiwiirc
2021-06-12 16:04:27	Hash	Tripsit IRC server does a good job, but they dont' just cater to psychedelics. It's all drugs and as such their server is a bit chaotic.
2021-06-12 16:04:42	Hash	And their online web gui/mobile app is irc only, no signups.
2021-06-12 16:04:47	Hash	Anyone can connect and get help
2021-06-12 16:04:56	kn\	Hash: Kiwiirc / self hosting
2021-06-12 16:04:59	Hash	I'm trying to figure out what to do.
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2021-06-12 16:05:31	kn\	Hash: optimal is inspircd / KiwiIRC
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2021-06-12 16:05:52	kn\	InspIRCD supports all the ircv3 mechanisms
2021-06-12 16:06:04	Hash	I am unaware of the technical differences.
2021-06-12 16:06:05	kn\	Paired with KiwiIRC, it's solid
2021-06-12 16:06:16	kn\	well ircd-seven hasn't aged well
2021-06-12 16:06:22	kn\	I men
2021-06-12 16:06:24	kn\	I mean
2021-06-12 16:06:25	Hash	I'm also a trippy guy, so I need to minimize the amount of work/maintainance/overhead
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2021-06-12 16:06:57	Hash	I figure, offload to a service who already is ran by others and stuff. Like here.
2021-06-12 16:07:06	Tenues	Hash: Do you need IRC interoperability?
2021-06-12 16:07:12	Hash	I don't have to worry about freenode/servers/servics etc. and canjust use them.
2021-06-12 16:07:16	kn\	Hash: I don't have a problem hosting it.
2021-06-12 16:07:19	Hash	With an ircd, I'd have to do everything myself.
2021-06-12 16:07:22	Hash	That's just too muchwork.
2021-06-12 16:07:36	kn\	Laws are different in the country I am in
2021-06-12 16:07:48	kn\	Also
2021-06-12 16:07:59	Hash	I'm not sure laws matter simply for conversation/discussions.
2021-06-12 16:08:07	Hash	I have to come up with rules and enforce them.
2021-06-12 16:08:24	kn\	I just need a day or two until Ariadne completes the code for registration for channel / nick services
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2021-06-12 16:08:43	Tenues	Hash: Yes, it can do... aiding and abetting etc.
2021-06-12 16:08:45	Hash	Like one reason I've not yet, for years, launched psysocial.net (custom social network, encrpted, that I am building), or psychedelic.chat is because peple will try to talk about sourcing drugs.
2021-06-12 16:08:51	Hash	It's a legal hassle I don't want.
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2021-06-12 16:09:32	Hash	That's why I've been scared to launch a discussion forum. dmt nexus forums is easier to manage, it's a forum. You can move threads, delete, this that. But still, primate message I dunno how to work it all out.
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2021-06-12 16:09:53	Hash	The moment you start a psychedelic social network or cater to those kind of people, DEA and other agencies will start watching you.
2021-06-12 16:09:55	kn\	Hash: Have you considered launching a tor based discussion ircd
2021-06-12 16:10:01	Hash	*Sigh* Eventually I'll figure this out.
2021-06-12 16:10:17	Hash	Well, the goal isn't to hide or anything. The goal is to deter illegal activity while providing a space for peopel to discuss psychedelic
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2021-06-12 16:10:30	Tenues	Hash: Yes, if you set up a website for discussing anything illegal in your host, you may be liable as an accessory to different kinds of crimes or under other laws.
2021-06-12 16:10:35	Hash	Sure, they're illegal, but people are still going to use them. So, the best I Can do is provide harm reduction information
2021-06-12 16:10:41	Hash	If you're going to do thenm, might as well be safe.
2021-06-12 16:10:59	Hash	Exactly Tenues
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2021-06-12 16:11:05	Hash	Hence the hesitation so far.
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2021-06-12 16:11:39	Hash	https://www.psychedelicsdaily.com/disclaimer/ So far this is my full disclaimer
2021-06-12 16:11:45	Tenues	Hash: Why not just volunteer with an established nonprofit or similar who knows how to navigate the legal system in your area?
2021-06-12 16:12:07	Hash	Well, I have a non profit
2021-06-12 16:12:21	Hash	TheStonedApes.com/.org and the site is down for update right now.
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2021-06-12 16:13:05	Hash	Under this umbrella are proejects such as https://cannahuasca.us (ayahuasca legal ceremonies in Denver, CO), psychedelicsdaily.com and xDMT.org (where my book will be published soon)
2021-06-12 16:13:18	Hash	I have not yet registered the 501c3
2021-06-12 16:13:20	malign	Illegal activity and a paper trail. Nothing good comes from that.
2021-06-12 16:13:26	Hash	But in name it's there.
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2021-06-12 16:13:33	Tenues	Hash: I think you need specific advise from a legal expert in your area who specialises in narcotics if you want do this safely tbh.
2021-06-12 16:13:43	Hash	You know any?
2021-06-12 16:13:47	Hash	I can't afford a legal council.
2021-06-12 16:13:55	Hash	I need a psychedeelic using laywer who wnats to help.
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2021-06-12 16:14:07	Hash	Put together a team of people.
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2021-06-12 16:14:41	Hash	Anyway, i checkout kiwi irc. It's not bad.
2021-06-12 16:14:47	noot	why was my IPv6 banned with resaon "Woof"
2021-06-12 16:14:53	Hash	I see The Lounge
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2021-06-12 16:15:03	Hash	https://thelounge.chat/
2021-06-12 16:15:03	kn\	TheLounge is for a persistent connection
2021-06-12 16:15:06	Hash	You ever heard of this one?
2021-06-12 16:15:09	Hash	Oh.
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2021-06-12 16:15:19	kn\	It's more for a personl irc experience
2021-06-12 16:15:33	Hash	I might talk to the tripsit people
2021-06-12 16:15:34	kn\	personal
2021-06-12 16:15:36	Hash	Maybe they will host me.
2021-06-12 16:15:39	Hash	Hmm.
2021-06-12 16:15:49	kn\	kiwiirc is the way to go
2021-06-12 16:15:49	Hash	Though a discord on psychedelic.chat would be best.
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2021-06-12 16:15:54	kn\	there's also qwebirc
2021-06-12 16:15:58	Hash	I'll reach out to the tripsit irc folks.
2021-06-12 16:16:04	Hash	Anyway. Time to get stoned and start my day
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2021-06-12 16:16:11	malign	I can empathize at a level because I do think criminalizing drugs is retarded and pointless.
2021-06-12 16:16:14	kn\	but qwebirc is kind of dated
2021-06-12 16:16:43	Hash	malign: well that's another battle, and not mine. I figured, legal or not, people are still going to use them. So why not make sure they do it safely.
2021-06-12 16:16:59	malign	Indeed.
2021-06-12 16:17:03	Hash	Anyway, carry on. I'm going to try to mess with a few softwares
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2021-06-12 16:18:30	Hash	use drunk bank api, and make a drug bot for #drugs
2021-06-12 16:18:36	Tenues	malign: Before the FDA in the US, arsenic was found in food products. Ice is pretty dangerous. It's a complex subject.
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2021-06-12 16:18:48	Hash	Safety/synergy information as well. Dosages, on all pharmacology
2021-06-12 16:18:56	Hash	I know a few pharmacologists.
2021-06-12 16:19:11	Hash	https://go.drugbank.com/ but they cost a lot.
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2021-06-12 16:19:47	Hash	There is a group of people who boght this, and did a synergy site for psychedelics. With almost everything under the sun. Like regular medicines too. So one can totally know how a substance is affected by another.
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2021-06-12 16:19:56	Hash	*sigh* $$$ fixes things. I don't have it.
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2021-06-12 16:19:59	Hash	haha
2021-06-12 16:20:00	kn\	There is still a lot of dangerous chemicals found in foods in America
2021-06-12 16:20:05	Hash	Unlucky!
2021-06-12 16:20:09	Hash	Exactly.
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2021-06-12 16:20:28	Hash	Which is why a psychedelic interaction data with other even food safe chemicals would be useful
2021-06-12 16:20:56	Hash	for example, with reverseible mao inhibotors, like Harmaline, you don't want Tyramine poisoning, so there is a range of foods you can't eat.
2021-06-12 16:21:06	Hash	Etc. etc. and so forth
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2021-06-12 16:22:33	Tenues	Hash: Oh, yes, that might cause a hypertensive crisis.
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2021-06-12 16:23:19	Hash	Github has a lot of good projecs if you search for such keywords
2021-06-12 16:23:36	Hash	I love open babel.
2021-06-12 16:23:39	Hash	Chemistry software
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2021-06-12 16:24:15	enrh	Is there some rule again typing Andrew Lee ?
2021-06-12 16:24:19	enrh	against*
2021-06-12 16:24:45	oxek	there's a rule against offtopic in a support channel
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2021-06-12 16:25:00	Hash	The lounge looks good.
2021-06-12 16:25:01	enrh	How is this off topic? I'm asking about a rule on Freenode
2021-06-12 16:25:13	Hash	Persistent might be desirable.
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2021-06-12 16:25:25	Hash	enrh: he's just informing you in general.
2021-06-12 16:25:33	Hash	No need to be so defensive :)
2021-06-12 16:25:52	enrh	What do you both of you work for PIA?
2021-06-12 16:26:02	Hash	Pakistan International Airlines?
2021-06-12 16:26:07	Hash	No. Best friend's dad did.
2021-06-12 16:26:09	oxek	enrh: I didn't say that what you typed was offtopic, merely said that trying to avoid offtopic conversations in here is for the best, and that name invites a lot of offtopic comments.
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2021-06-12 16:26:12	enrh	No the company that hostily took over Freenode
2021-06-12 16:26:19	@keitwo	Hold up
2021-06-12 16:26:22	Hash	There was no hostility.
2021-06-12 16:26:25	@keitwo	Is there still a myth that PIA is involved here
2021-06-12 16:26:37	oxek	enrh: https://twitter.com/buyvpnservice/status/1395037589938315264
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2021-06-12 16:26:51	@keitwo	oxek: Thanks
2021-06-12 16:26:57	Hash	I got a vpn for free with my newshosting account.
2021-06-12 16:27:06	enrh	Oh but the owner of Freenode owns the other. Please.
2021-06-12 16:27:12	enrh	How stupid does Andrew thing everyone else is?
2021-06-12 16:27:22	oxek	enrh: no
2021-06-12 16:27:25	enrh	think*
2021-06-12 16:27:29	Hash	O_o
2021-06-12 16:27:34	Tenues	enrh: It was sold years ago
2021-06-12 16:27:49	enrh	Oh so now he's just peddling shell accounts?
2021-06-12 16:27:58	enrh	It's all hard to keep up
2021-06-12 16:28:02	Tenues	Hash: Please don't use free VPNs.
2021-06-12 16:28:08	Hash	Why not?
2021-06-12 16:28:23	Hash	Privado is okay. No breaches.
2021-06-12 16:28:39	enrh	Or is it rasengan that you can't type?
2021-06-12 16:28:39	Hash	I got 1 year free with my newshosting nntp account.
2021-06-12 16:28:48	enrh	Alright, fake news on Twitter. Imagine that
2021-06-12 16:28:56	Hash	But then again, I never cared for anonymizing.
2021-06-12 16:29:09	Tenues	enrh: Gawd, I have a headache. Can you stop.
2021-06-12 16:29:16	Hash	If anyone asks me for psychedelcis, I tell them, look, I do public work, I'm sure the agencies are watching me, I can't help you.
2021-06-12 16:29:19	enrh	Tenues: Can you?
2021-06-12 16:29:26	Hash	I'm alright.
2021-06-12 16:29:30	enrh	Is this your channel now Tenues?
2021-06-12 16:29:30	Tenues	enrh: Maybe, get a hobby. Learn jujutsu. Go fishing. etc.
2021-06-12 16:29:42	Hash	I mean, why would I use a VPN? Maybe to watch somethingin another country
2021-06-12 16:29:42	Tenues	enrh: Yes.
2021-06-12 16:29:53	Hash	But in USA they have almost everything on TV/internet anyway
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2021-06-12 16:29:58	oxek	enrh: the users in here are just informing you that you're not exactly enjoyable to converse with and the topics you bring up are not suitable for in here either
2021-06-12 16:30:04	enrh	Tenues: Narcissist
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2021-06-12 16:30:23	Hash	Makes you wonder, why do they prevent you from watching some stuff in some countries
2021-06-12 16:30:24	@keitwo	Can't we all just get along~
2021-06-12 16:30:27	Hash	I don't even get copyrights.
2021-06-12 16:30:32	enrh	I came, asked a question. Y'all started talking to me.
2021-06-12 16:30:34	Tenues	enrh: Oh, you're a psychiatrist now?
2021-06-12 16:30:39	Tenues	enrh: Wow.
2021-06-12 16:30:41	enrh	Tenues: You picked a bone with me
2021-06-12 16:30:43	Hash	Tenues: no need to egg someone on. Come on.
2021-06-12 16:30:45	enrh	You need help
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2021-06-12 16:30:53	 *	Hash gives out free mushroms
2021-06-12 16:30:55	Hash	Relax!~
2021-06-12 16:30:57	Hash	:D
2021-06-12 16:31:18	noot	keitwo: ALL I REALLY NEEDS A SMILE SMILE SMILE
2021-06-12 16:31:22	noot	FROM THESE HAPPY FRIENDS ON MIIIINE
2021-06-12 16:31:28	@keitwo	YES I DO
2021-06-12 16:31:32	noot	oh the perfect gift for meeeeeee
2021-06-12 16:31:36	noot	is a smile as wide as a mileeee
2021-06-12 16:31:45	Tenues	enrh: Do you care because of having narcissistic tendencies? ...you don't seem to deal well with criticism.
2021-06-12 16:32:10	Hash	Tenues: it could also mean he's been abused and put down by others and is conditioned to be defensive.
2021-06-12 16:32:17	Hash	don't automatically assume ill wil on the part of another.
2021-06-12 16:32:25	Hash	Show love/compassion, and try to win someone over like that.
2021-06-12 16:32:27	Hash	:)
2021-06-12 16:32:36	noot	man i cant wait till this dude has a staff cloak
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2021-06-12 16:33:58	enrh	Tenues: See? You can't stop
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2021-06-12 16:34:02	enrh	I didn't want to talk to you
2021-06-12 16:34:05	enrh	Don't know why anyone would
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2021-06-12 16:34:17	Tenues	enrh: Oh, so you're borderline now too?
2021-06-12 16:34:25	enrh	You need help man
2021-06-12 16:34:25	Tenues	enrh: Black and white thinking... splitting?
2021-06-12 16:34:32	Tenues	enrh: Do I?
2021-06-12 16:34:43	Hash	Get a room, you two!
2021-06-12 16:34:55	enrh	No, I want nothign to do with this
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2021-06-12 16:35:01	@keitwo	well i mean
2021-06-12 16:35:03	@keitwo	you said it first
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2021-06-12 16:36:37	Hash	Come to #music and let's play some stuff
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2021-06-12 16:36:56	@tjr	eh
2021-06-12 16:37:11	@ldlework	Hash, what instrument do you play?
2021-06-12 16:37:19	Hash	Guitar, piano
2021-06-12 16:37:23	Hash	Would you like to see?
2021-06-12 16:37:36	@ldlework	Was just making conversation. Are you trained?
2021-06-12 16:37:49	Hash	Self taught, 30+ years
2021-06-12 16:38:07	@ldlework	Nice, me too. Mandolin and Djembe.
2021-06-12 16:38:24	Hash	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKPrOdUq550
2021-06-12 16:38:24	pseudo	Ibanez RG Seven string w/ Floyd Rose - YouTube
2021-06-12 16:38:33	Hash	Here's me. Oh nice!I love strings.
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2021-06-12 16:38:56	Hash	I want to save money and buy hang drum
2021-06-12 16:39:18	Hash	I also have a digeridoo (can't spell) it's at the International Church of Cannabis in Denver, CO. I keep it there, for shamanic type things.
2021-06-12 16:39:44	Hash	I used to teach yoga, meditation, breathwork, psychedelics there. Amazing place. 100 year old building Steve bought and turned into a psychedelic space
2021-06-12 16:39:55	Hash	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Church_of_Cannabis
2021-06-12 16:40:20	@ldlework	Hash: my wife and I have dreamed of a hangdrum for so long
2021-06-12 16:40:31	Hash	So expensive though!
2021-06-12 16:40:37	Hash	Each one is hand made.
2021-06-12 16:40:53	Hash	And that's why. Can't mass produce them in a factory.
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2021-06-12 16:42:04	Hash	I hope you find a good deal on one soon. Lovely instrument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk3BvNLeNgw these guys are my fav duo
2021-06-12 16:42:05	pseudo	Hang Massive - Once Again - 2011 ( hang drum duo ) ( HD ) - YouTube
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2021-06-12 16:44:33	slidercrank	Hash, ngw=?
2021-06-12 16:44:43	slidercrank	did you mean ngl?
2021-06-12 16:44:59	Hash	I'm not familiar with the abbreviation. What is ngl?
2021-06-12 16:45:11	slidercrank	not gonna lie
2021-06-12 16:45:12	noot	not gonna lie
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2021-06-12 16:45:29	Hash	Why would I say that?
2021-06-12 16:45:36	slidercrank	then what is ngw?
2021-06-12 16:45:42	Hash	"I'll be honest with you..."
2021-06-12 16:45:52	noot	urban dictionary says non-gay way
2021-06-12 16:45:52	Hash	Why? Are you usually dishonest?
2021-06-12 16:45:53	Hash	:)
2021-06-12 16:46:03	Hash	"not gonan lie."
2021-06-12 16:46:08	Hash	Why? do you usually tell lies?
2021-06-12 16:46:10	Hash	:)
2021-06-12 16:46:16	noot	not god worthy, no good words
2021-06-12 16:46:33	Hash	I find it peculiar that people preface statements with such phrases.
2021-06-12 16:46:36	slidercrank	probably Hash created those entries in UD
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2021-06-12 16:46:52	Hash	I'm not really familiar with a lot of Internet culture.
2021-06-12 16:47:02	noot	you're in good company here
2021-06-12 16:47:04	slidercrank	Hash, once again, what does ngw mean?
2021-06-12 16:47:14	Hash	I've no idea slidercrank
2021-06-12 16:47:18	slidercrank	why did you bother to write it but can't bother explaining?
2021-06-12 16:47:34	Hash	I'm confused.
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2021-06-12 16:47:38	Hash	What did I write?
2021-06-12 16:48:04	slidercrank	> ngw < You don't understand what you write?
2021-06-12 16:48:33	Hash	I speak normal English and I'm unfamliar with much of the online idioms and dictions.
2021-06-12 16:48:42	slidercrank	are you stupid or not?
2021-06-12 16:48:46	Hash	I'm at a disadvantage.
2021-06-12 16:48:47	Hash	I am.
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2021-06-12 16:51:45	immibis	slidercrank: I don't see a message from Hash saying ngw. However, it was the end of the youtube link he sent
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2021-06-12 16:53:30	slidercrank	oh..... damn
2021-06-12 16:53:36	@ldlework	Hash, I think Nadishana is my favorite Hang performer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fD5hz8bHtU
2021-06-12 16:53:37	pseudo	Nadishana, Manu Delago, Loup Barrow, Thomas Bloch (hang &amp; crystal organ) LOCUS SOLUS Orchestra - YouTube
2021-06-12 16:53:39	slidercrank	in my client "ngw" started a new line
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2021-06-12 16:53:57	slidercrank	Ngw these guys are my fav duo
2021-06-12 16:53:58	Hash	Oh yeah, wicked! ldlework he is using Tabla hand word
2021-06-12 16:54:01	Hash	work*
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2021-06-12 16:54:06	slidercrank	sorry.
2021-06-12 16:54:08	Hash	Much more percussive.
2021-06-12 16:54:11	@ldlework	Hash, he's an expert tabla player.
2021-06-12 16:54:18	Hash	Oh I can tell.
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2021-06-12 16:54:27	@ldlework	He can play just about anything. He's an absolute instrumental polymath.
2021-06-12 16:54:33	Hash	I also play. Part of our family heritage. Musical families of India
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2021-06-12 16:54:46	@ldlework	I've seen him play one of those plastic water bins that you keep in office spaces.
2021-06-12 16:54:49	@ldlework	And it was awesome.
2021-06-12 16:54:51	Hash	Nice. Me too. Just given enough time, I can figure any instrument myself too. I love music.
2021-06-12 16:55:00	Hash	Get stoned/trippy and serenade myself.
2021-06-12 16:55:02	Hash	:)
2021-06-12 16:55:17	Hash	Wow. I love minds like that
2021-06-12 16:55:47	@ldlework	That crystal organ is something else...
2021-06-12 16:56:04	Hash	I do piano, guitar, any strings really, plicked orhit, some wind instrumetns, percussion.
2021-06-12 16:56:10	Hash	Got the basics covered.
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2021-06-12 16:56:21	Hash	I never heard of a crystal organ before. Hmm
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2021-06-12 16:56:44	Hash	Oh it's like rububing a water goblet
2021-06-12 16:56:57	Hash	I see how cyrstals would resonate and work. Nice. Ingenius!
2021-06-12 16:56:58	@ldlework	yeah!
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2021-06-12 16:58:04	Hash	There is a band called Wintergatan who made a marble machine. Very good too
2021-06-12 16:58:41	Hash	That chord progression is by far one of the most beautiful I've ever heard. You asked if I was trained. I learned harmonic and modal theory myself, in depth.
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2021-06-12 16:59:03	@ldlework	Hash have you ever heard of a Futujara
2021-06-12 16:59:08	Hash	My goal was to transcribe classical indian moral raaga music into a dual key western harmonic system of equally tempered intervals
2021-06-12 16:59:16	Hash	From you now.
2021-06-12 16:59:20	@ldlework	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXn0boqfTKY
2021-06-12 16:59:20	pseudo	Steve Shehan - Nadishana at Sunset: futujara and hadgini - YouTube
2021-06-12 16:59:34	Hash	s/moral/modal/
2021-06-12 17:00:41	@ldlework	Two friends getting paid lavishly to improvise on silly instruments in a club in downtown paris.
2021-06-12 17:00:56	Hash	Haha, what a life, huh?
2021-06-12 17:00:59	@ldlework	Right?
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2021-06-12 17:01:18	@ldlework	Hash, last one, this is my favorite Nadishana performance of all time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPwO1Ibnrp0
2021-06-12 17:01:19	pseudo	Hijaz - Steve Shehan, Nadishana, Nebil Othmani - YouTube
2021-06-12 17:02:12	@ldlework	Hash, sorry! Wrong video.
2021-06-12 17:02:14	@ldlework	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA1Xm7eDfdk
2021-06-12 17:02:15	pseudo	Tahijam - Steve Shehan, Nadishana, Nebil Othmani - YouTube
2021-06-12 17:02:16	@ldlework	this one
2021-06-12 17:02:32	Hash	Ahh, yes, the double harmonic major
2021-06-12 17:02:36	Hash	in Purvi Thaat
2021-06-12 17:02:39	Hash	Brilliant.
2021-06-12 17:02:54	Hash	One of my favorite scales
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2021-06-12 17:03:54	Hash	You take the major, then 6th mode, aeolian, then make minor scale into harmonic minor, raise the 7th, then 5th mode of the harmonic minor, and raise the 7th again, and you get leading tone, root, and minor second, all three chromatics in a row. Double harmonic major or otherwise Raagh Bhairav
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2021-06-12 17:04:40	slidercrank	Hash, are you a musician?
2021-06-12 17:04:49	vaio	where can we discuss about freenode policies ?
2021-06-12 17:04:55	Hash	Here.
2021-06-12 17:04:59	slidercrank	on #music-theory probably :)
2021-06-12 17:05:10	Hash	vaio: what do you need?
2021-06-12 17:05:11	vaio	it sems the policy use double negation, so it seem to make spamming, scamming, etc
2021-06-12 17:05:15	vaio	all allowed
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2021-06-12 17:05:23	vaio	is that the case ?
2021-06-12 17:05:27	oxek	vaio: link and example sentence
2021-06-12 17:05:36	Hash	vaio: what do you mean 'negation'?
2021-06-12 17:05:37	vaio	By connecting to freenode, you accept our Privacy Policy (below) and agree not to:
2021-06-12 17:05:42	vaio	No spamming or scamming
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2021-06-12 17:05:58	oxek	I see, that's unfortunate, but anyone reasonable would understand the meaning behind it
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2021-06-12 17:05:59	bin_bash	is it true there will be an IPO soon?
2021-06-12 17:06:17	placeb0	yep you guesed it, spamming is allowed now
2021-06-12 17:06:19	vaio	oxek: policy need to be clear
2021-06-12 17:06:23	vaio	not open to interpretation
2021-06-12 17:06:30	oxek	spirit vs word of the law
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2021-06-12 17:06:35	vaio	(especially for non native english speakers)
2021-06-12 17:06:44	oxek	*letter
2021-06-12 17:06:50	Hash	vaio: obviosly, spamming cannot be and is not allowed. What specifically are you confused abotu?
2021-06-12 17:06:54	Hash	about*
2021-06-12 17:07:09	vaio	i'm confused about the wording that's been used
2021-06-12 17:07:21	oxek	Hash: "agree not to [...] No spamming or scamming" is a double negative
2021-06-12 17:07:24	Hash	vaio:  How would you word it?
2021-06-12 17:07:34	ljharb	vaio: it’d only ever be interpreted as “no (spamming or scamming)” and never “(no spamming) or (scamming)”
2021-06-12 17:07:46	bin_bash	vaio: i have a fantastic money making opportunity. pm me for deets. normally i wouldnt but freenode tos requires it now
2021-06-12 17:08:02	ljharb	vaio: but yeah the double negative is a fair point
2021-06-12 17:08:23	vaio	thanks
2021-06-12 17:08:52	Hash	I did /motd and I didn't see it.
2021-06-12 17:09:05	placeb0	bin_bash: are you selling your eye lashes?
2021-06-12 17:09:45	bin_bash	feet pics
2021-06-12 17:09:51	slidercrank	bin_bash, sell me your goose bumps
2021-06-12 17:10:01	Hash	Oh yes, I see now.
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2021-06-12 17:10:33	bin_bash	slidercrank: i have a vintage air guitar for sale
2021-06-12 17:10:56	placeb0	I sold my cats hair
2021-06-12 17:11:00	placeb0	no jk
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2021-06-12 17:11:40	Hash	Seemed to be an oversight on the proofreading part
2021-06-12 17:11:42	noot	i just figured out that root's hostname is fake
2021-06-12 17:11:48	noot	/who root %ni
2021-06-12 17:12:09	noot	wait it showed 255.255.255.255 yesterday
2021-06-12 17:12:12	noot	has he fixed it
2021-06-12 17:12:13	Hash	The verb form and tense is also incorrect.
2021-06-12 17:13:03	slidercrank	Hash, what's the link to the text you're discussing?
2021-06-12 17:13:20	Hash	Whatever he pasted here. I can't see it in /motd or online.
2021-06-12 17:13:35	vaio	https://freenode.net/policies
2021-06-12 17:14:10	Hash	" and agree not to:" can be omitted.
2021-06-12 17:14:30	Hash	It's also .. not really a run on, but kind of a run on.
2021-06-12 17:14:33	KindOne	noot: It looks rather legit given the "whois relay.chat".
2021-06-12 17:14:33	Hash	*shrug*
2021-06-12 17:14:34	slidercrank	ah. I see
2021-06-12 17:14:48	noot	KindOne: i know the domain exists, but andrew doesn't own it
2021-06-12 17:15:15	vaio	look, andrew owns foss and irc, deal with it
2021-06-12 17:15:22	slidercrank	"freenode staff may disconnect clients for any reason". For any? not for violation of rules but just for the sake of it?
2021-06-12 17:15:33	slidercrank	O_O
2021-06-12 17:15:43	noot	free speech is when mods can smack you for any reeason
2021-06-12 17:15:50	noot	the more smacking the more free you are
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2021-06-12 17:16:31	placeb0	why are people catching up on any little sentence in the policy article?
2021-06-12 17:16:44	vaio	placeb0: policies need to be clear
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2021-06-12 17:17:26	vaio	it'd be damn unfair to take action to someone because they "didn't interpret the policy correctly"
2021-06-12 17:18:19	placeb0	I'm not native, but I do understand the policies
2021-06-12 17:18:29	slidercrank	if I didn't spam today, is it too late? I don't want to be banned for not having spammed :)
2021-06-12 17:18:41	vaio	i understand it as everything that's listed is allowed, because words matter
2021-06-12 17:18:59	oxek	I get the policies as well. It's as simple as "Don't do illegal stuff, don't do annoying stuff, don't do things that interfere with running of the network"
2021-06-12 17:19:12	placeb0	there's also something called 'common sense'
2021-06-12 17:19:14	Hash	I'm OCD.
2021-06-12 17:19:26	Hash	Whether or not another can piece it together is not my concern.
2021-06-12 17:19:26	oxek	placeb0: 'common sense' is a rarity nowadays, perhaps
2021-06-12 17:19:33	Hash	I would prefer to have the sentence corrected.
2021-06-12 17:19:49	slidercrank	"agree not to No flooding" God is not allowed to use Freenode. He flooded the Earth once.
2021-06-12 17:19:57	Hash	Post '(below)' can be omitted.
2021-06-12 17:19:57	placeb0	oxek: are you saying there's at least one network that isn't a test network that allows users to spam?
2021-06-12 17:20:11	oxek	placeb0: there probably is
2021-06-12 17:20:25	placeb0	name it
2021-06-12 17:20:33	Hash	"By connecting to freenode, you accept our Privacy Policy (below): " <- is clear.
2021-06-12 17:20:48	oxek	if there isn't, I should make it. Call it ignorenet, where the /motd tells users how to use /ignore, disable messages from unregistered users, ...
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2021-06-12 17:33:54	vaio	and for now, no freenode staff has been saying i was wrong
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2021-06-12 17:34:16	vaio	or misinterpreting the policy
2021-06-12 17:34:58	Hash	vaio: thank you for pointing out a correction. I'm sure it will be handled.
2021-06-12 17:35:27	vaio	yw senpai
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2021-06-12 17:38:48	immibis	slidercrank: yes, just for the sake of it. They have done it before. The day before yesterday they banned all irccloud users
2021-06-12 17:39:41	Hash	God didn't flood the Earth. Areas, and thus settlements of hominids around bodies of water flood. That's all.
2021-06-12 17:40:31	antto	who's this guy God, i haven't seen him
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2021-06-12 17:41:15	Hash	Yeah. Jungian psychology tries to explain why the human mind came up with this idea.
2021-06-12 17:41:37	Hash	Rudolf Otto did good work, in Das Heilege
2021-06-12 17:41:40	Hash	I can't spell.
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2021-06-12 17:42:56	Hash	It's otherwise known as the 'wholly other'. Not something that is rational or can be known. It is something outside the domain of rationality.
2021-06-12 17:43:46	Hash	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Otto
2021-06-12 17:44:08	Hash	And later Mirce Eliade
2021-06-12 17:44:34	Hash	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Eliade This man wrote some seriously amazing books going very deep into this whole thing.
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2021-06-12 17:45:37	oxek	antto: Information on God "Last seen  : May 16 13:58:19 2021 (3w 6d 1h ago)"
2021-06-12 17:46:11	Hash	I had the nick God on libera, but the the ops ungrouped it from my account and gave it to a friend of theirs.
2021-06-12 17:46:22	Hash	:(
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2021-06-12 17:47:01	placeb0	it happens
2021-06-12 17:47:27	Druid	thats a god nick
2021-06-12 17:47:29	Druid	good*
2021-06-12 17:47:31	Druid	heh
2021-06-12 17:47:35	Druid	i made funny
2021-06-12 17:47:36	Hash	You meant to do that typo
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2021-06-12 17:47:39	Hash	:D
2021-06-12 17:47:43	Druid	yes
2021-06-12 17:47:55	Druid	they took #israel from my friend
2021-06-12 17:47:57	Hash	Who is your favorite Druid?
2021-06-12 17:48:01	slidercrank	Hash, you can use the word 'god' from another language. such as 'kami' (japanese) or 'bog' (russian)
2021-06-12 17:48:24	Druid	favorite?
2021-06-12 17:48:29	Hash	Sure
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2021-06-12 17:48:41	Druid	it was first day, im sure they was stressed and overworked
2021-06-12 17:48:41	Hash	I like Alannon from the Terry Brooks movies
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2021-06-12 17:49:06	Hash	And then in the later 4 books his descendent druid in the Black Elfstone of Shanna story
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2021-06-12 17:49:09	Hash	I forgot which book it was.
2021-06-12 17:49:10	Druid	i have no idea
2021-06-12 17:49:18	Druid	i dont read books
2021-06-12 17:49:20	Druid	am stupid
2021-06-12 17:49:21	Hash	Or the Diablo 2 Druid?
2021-06-12 17:49:36	Druid	i just took available nick
2021-06-12 17:49:42	Druid	5 yrs ago :)
2021-06-12 17:49:48	Hash	Terry Brooks stuff also got made into a pretty awesome TV serial
2021-06-12 17:50:00	Hash	The Shannara Chrnoicles. Off the 2nd book.
2021-06-12 17:50:46	@ldlework	Shhtayawhile, and listen.
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2021-06-12 17:50:59	Hash	I like Druids. Mysterious nature science people.
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2021-06-12 17:51:07	Hash	I think the Horadrim were druis maybe.
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2021-06-12 17:57:15	Hash	Druid, hey that's a good chunk of time
2021-06-12 17:57:33	Hash	Druid: I showed up around 2001 and registered around 2004: User reg.  : Oct 08 05:49:16 2004 (16y 35w 6d ago)
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2021-06-12 17:57:46	Hash	But I IRC since the 1992 AOL dialup days.
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2021-06-12 18:01:04	Druid	wow. im 22 yrs old..
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2021-06-12 18:05:41	TheLinuxNerd	Druid me too
2021-06-12 18:06:01	Druid	nice
2021-06-12 18:06:07	Druid	we are ssh port years old
2021-06-12 18:06:08	Druid	heh
2021-06-12 18:06:13	Hash	LOL
2021-06-12 18:06:41	Mikaela	oh no, does that make me SMTP port years old
2021-06-12 18:08:15	Druid	it should always use SMTP port 587 as the default port.
2021-06-12 18:08:20	Druid	lol
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2021-06-12 18:08:34	TheLinuxNerd	that reminds, set up Outlook
2021-06-12 18:08:50	TheLinuxNerd	and my digital signature for accounting
2021-06-12 18:08:54	TheLinuxNerd	else my company is screwed
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2021-06-12 18:09:54	TheLinuxNerd	not to forget to add my latest expense to the table :-(
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2021-06-12 18:28:00	Hash	if you have a warm can of soda, and you spin it round inside cold water for 30 seconds, it gets cool by like 10 degrees
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2021-06-12 18:29:39	 *	Jinx wishes he had time to apply Newton's Law of Cooling with Hash's values and determine the temperature delta between his hypothetical bodies :)
2021-06-12 18:30:16	Jinx	btw: i enjoyed your derivation of the "double harmonic scale" :)
2021-06-12 18:31:04	Jinx	seems like there ought to be a more succinct way to explain that--it's very close to a "half step-minor third"--except for the one whole step that throws it all off
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2021-06-12 18:31:31	Hash	There is
2021-06-12 18:31:33	Hash	I was being lazy.
2021-06-12 18:31:56	Hash	It's basically the 5th mode of the harmonic minor, the phrygian dominant, with a raised 7th
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2021-06-12 18:33:26	Hash	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_harmonic_scale
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2021-06-12 18:33:37	Hash	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_harmonic_scale#Relationship_to_Phrygian_Dominant
2021-06-12 18:35:28	Jinx	heh... i admit i've not encountered much "Phrygian Dominant" (seems like it should be called "Phrygian's Mixolydian" ;D )--though i mostly play western tonal art music :)
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2021-06-12 18:36:29	Hash	It can be considered, that, I think so.
2021-06-12 18:36:55	Jinx	i don't know; i associate "dominant" with a scale degree and a harmony--but not typically with its own independent mode
2021-06-12 18:37:25	Hash	It's the three chromatics in a row that give you that spacey feeling, combined with the dominant 5th from the minor scale used as tonic.
2021-06-12 18:37:27	Jinx	i think the Greeks used "hypo" and "hyper" for stuff like that (where the tonic is in the middle of the scale)
2021-06-12 18:37:33	Hash	Makes it arabic sounding/indian sounding
2021-06-12 18:37:42	 *	Jinx 's music history is a bit rough these days
2021-06-12 18:37:48	Hash	There is a scale I made up which is like that
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2021-06-12 18:38:13	Hash	1.5 octaves long, starts on toinic of first octave, finishes on dominant of 2nd octave
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2021-06-12 18:38:31	Jinx	sounds pentatonic-ish :)
2021-06-12 18:39:08	Hash	1 2 4 5 7 8 2 5
2021-06-12 18:39:15	Hash	8 = 1(tonic)
2021-06-12 18:39:22	Hash	post 8 is 2nd octave, all major tones.
2021-06-12 18:39:26	Jinx	one day i'd like to go through all the Whole-step Half-step combinations and determine just how many are even used (even the traditional modes don't cover different spacings between the half-steps)
2021-06-12 18:39:33	Hash	Beautiful scale. Test it out sometime and let me know what you think
2021-06-12 18:39:50	Jinx	and that says nothing about minor thirds (or "augmented seconds" if you prefer)
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2021-06-12 18:40:01	Hash	You can
2021-06-12 18:40:03	Hash	It is very easy
2021-06-12 18:40:10	Hash	Do you like Math?
2021-06-12 18:40:18	Jinx	yes; i know how to do it--i just haven't yet :)
2021-06-12 18:40:22	Hash	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory_(music) Check this out
2021-06-12 18:41:13	Jinx	we only scratched the surface of atonal music in my classes; i really didn't grasp it well (or like it much)--i deliberately let me "atonal" assignment sound tonal :)
2021-06-12 18:41:36	Jinx	anyway--i have to get going--have to go play a wedding. nice chatting with you, Hash :)
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2021-06-12 18:41:53	Hash	Cool! Have a good day
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2021-06-12 19:18:04	jonathanschlink1	hello which would be better to join large number of channels?? weechat or irssi ??
2021-06-12 19:18:15	jonathanschlink1	thanks in advance
2021-06-12 19:18:30	Druid	i use irssi its gud
2021-06-12 19:18:32	Druid	in 50 chans
2021-06-12 19:18:43	Druid	idk if thats large number of chans
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2021-06-12 19:19:11	Hash	I use weechat
2021-06-12 19:19:19	jonathanschlink1	thanks for sharing Druid. 50 are more than sufficient. How do you manage to switch between them?
2021-06-12 19:19:19	PsyanideRabbit	jonathanschlink1 :: I would use this client https://github.com/BitchX/BitchX1.2 :)
2021-06-12 19:19:21	Hash	Either is fine
2021-06-12 19:19:38	Hash	I have 52 windows open in weechat, usually 70-80
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2021-06-12 19:19:55	Druid	jonathanschlink1: i use alt+arrows usually
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2021-06-12 19:20:08	jonathanschlink1	thanks PsyanideRabbit Hash
2021-06-12 19:20:15	Druid	but u can /join #<channel-name> to go to that window directly if already joined
2021-06-12 19:20:21	Druid	or set some keybinds
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2021-06-12 19:20:37	jonathanschlink1	thanks Druid Yes i meant how do you learn which channel belongs to which network?
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2021-06-12 19:20:55	Hash	alt + ~ to =, alt + a to ', alt + q to \, alt + z to /.
2021-06-12 19:21:02	Hash	Tons of keybininds, for windows
2021-06-12 19:21:11	Hash	irssi I mean. When I used it.
2021-06-12 19:21:14	jonathanschlink1	thanks Hash
2021-06-12 19:21:27	Hash	you have to set up extra bindings yourself
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2021-06-12 19:21:40	Hash	irssi default is alt + 1-9
2021-06-12 19:21:55	jonathanschlink1	PsyanideRabbit: Bitchx is indeed is good but i tried ircII but couldn't understand how to use it. there isn't any tutorial too.
2021-06-12 19:22:04	PsyanideRabbit	what about mIRC or KVIrc?
2021-06-12 19:22:18	Hash	Weechat is by far the best, with the most suppot for scripting backends and plugins/extensions
2021-06-12 19:22:29	jonathanschlink1	used KVirc but many months but i prefer CLI
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2021-06-12 19:22:34	Hash	Also easy to use, more featureful and good support in #weechat
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2021-06-12 19:22:47	Druid	alt+q-i works for 11-19 channels
2021-06-12 19:22:51	Hash	Weechat also have larger user base
2021-06-12 19:23:05	jonathanschlink1	thanks Hash it indeed does.
2021-06-12 19:23:08	Hash	I recommend weechat.
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2021-06-12 19:23:20	Druid	cant go wrong with both
2021-06-12 19:23:21	PsyanideRabbit	I recommend bitchx!
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2021-06-12 19:23:44	PsyanideRabbit	weechat vs bitchx .... FIGHT!!
2021-06-12 19:23:56	jonathanschlink1	okay thanks PsyanideRabbit
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2021-06-12 19:38:05	essiambre	irssi ftw!
2021-06-12 19:38:21	Lumpio-	>not even weechat
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2021-06-12 20:01:10	epony	they are all a failure of string manipulation and c libraries victims
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2021-06-12 20:31:37	kn\	rasengan: ping
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2021-06-12 20:42:20	 *	kisser looks arround
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2021-06-12 20:45:47	Abrax	pong
2021-06-12 20:46:27	kn\	ping
2021-06-12 20:46:56	alyx	nice
2021-06-12 20:47:18	kn\	alyx you little rascal
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2021-06-12 20:48:22	alyx	:)
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2021-06-12 20:50:35	@ComputerTech	o/
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2021-06-12 20:52:02	 *	enyc meows
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2021-06-12 20:53:31	MinceR	looks like bots
2021-06-12 20:53:54	Abrax	ah they just rebooted python
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2021-06-12 21:01:25	bjs	Abrax: rebooted?
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2021-06-12 21:02:49	Wulf	Hello!
2021-06-12 21:03:31	Hash	Hi
2021-06-12 21:03:32	 *	eggy wave
2021-06-12 21:03:44	Wulf	#python was cleared today. I wonder which policy they violate to justify this?
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2021-06-12 21:04:41	Hash	What does that mean?
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2021-06-12 21:05:10	@root	Wulf: spam.
2021-06-12 21:05:17	Hash	Oh good.
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2021-06-12 21:05:28	yanmaani	> ##moved_to_libera :Illegal channel name
2021-06-12 21:05:33	yanmaani	what gives?
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2021-06-12 21:05:46	Hash	A certain habnabit person was abusive and in my opinion a bad moderator.
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2021-06-12 21:06:53	@root	yanmaani: Illegal channel name.
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2021-06-12 21:07:28	Wulf	root: okay, so Spam from one or perhaps a few persons is a reason to kick everyone in the channel with message "This channel has been closed". Thanks for the clarification!
2021-06-12 21:07:37	Irydacea	is it true that it's now standard procedure to k-line channel ops for moving channels to a different network?
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2021-06-12 21:09:36	yanmaani	root: why is it illegal?
2021-06-12 21:09:52	Byteflux	yes they closed down an entire channel of 800+ for an arguably minor policy violation without warning. seems pretty fascist, but maybe they have a better explanation
2021-06-12 21:10:04	--	Mode #freenode [+b *!*@unaffiliated/wulf] by root
2021-06-12 21:10:06	←	root has kicked Wulf (Wulf)
2021-06-12 21:10:22	@root	Trolls wil be kick/banned, to be clear.
2021-06-12 21:10:24	--	Mode #freenode [+b *!*@wesnoth/developer/shikadiqueen] by root
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2021-06-12 21:10:28	--	Mode #freenode [+b *!*@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] by root
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2021-06-12 21:10:48	tega	:D
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2021-06-12 21:10:59	SymbioticFemale	hate crime
2021-06-12 21:11:16	Kasper	I feel all tingly seeing the trolls finally get it
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2021-06-12 21:11:23	@tjr	lol
2021-06-12 21:11:43	@sorcerer	lmao
2021-06-12 21:11:50	Hash	I'm just tired of the nonense man.
2021-06-12 21:11:56	Hash	Waiting to return to normality.
2021-06-12 21:12:03	Druid	oper aboose :p
2021-06-12 21:12:05	Hash	It's like that scene from Hitchhikers guide
2021-06-12 21:12:12	Hash	What is normal? What is tea? What are cows?!
2021-06-12 21:12:14	Hash	Hehe
2021-06-12 21:12:21	Kasper	also again the free BNC is awesome
2021-06-12 21:12:43	Kasper	I tried to setup ZNC once on my own server and I could never get it to work right
2021-06-12 21:12:55	@tjr	Kasper: awesome to hear
2021-06-12 21:12:56	gustaf	Kasper: ZNC is hella confusing 
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2021-06-12 21:13:01	Hash	I stopped bothering. I weechat insdie screen on vps.
2021-06-12 21:13:11	vaio	huh
2021-06-12 21:13:17	essiambre	I don't. I irssi.
2021-06-12 21:13:17	Hash	I just use mosh/mobile shell, and ssh into my vps and screen -r
2021-06-12 21:13:20	Hash	reattach.
2021-06-12 21:13:25	gustaf	I want to use ZNC to facilitate mobile IRC 
2021-06-12 21:13:28	Hash	screen > *
2021-06-12 21:13:33	Hash	tmux/ratpoison/etc.
2021-06-12 21:13:35	Hash	same diff
2021-06-12 21:13:39	Druid	screen -r for life :D
2021-06-12 21:13:43	Kasper	I like textual -_-
2021-06-12 21:13:54	essiambre	Druid: except when you need screen -dr :D
2021-06-12 21:13:58	Druid	oh yeah
2021-06-12 21:14:04	Druid	i got that covered in an alias
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2021-06-12 21:14:20	Druid	screen already attached error...
2021-06-12 21:14:24	Druid	annoying
2021-06-12 21:14:31	vaio	yeah
2021-06-12 21:14:49	@ldlework	Here is my *entire* ZNC config (thanks to NixOS) https://p.fr33tux.org/52452d
2021-06-12 21:14:50	Hash	I dislike GUIs for the most part. I wrote my own tiling wm using the Xmonad framework, I use xmonad, rxvt, and all my programs are cli, apart from chromium/virtualbox
2021-06-12 21:14:54	vaio	btw how do i close vim ?
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2021-06-12 21:14:58	Hash	!q
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2021-06-12 21:15:08	vaio	rebooting the computer is a bit boring
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2021-06-12 21:15:17	Hash	or wq
2021-06-12 21:15:29	 *	kn\ has no need for znc
2021-06-12 21:15:36	kn\	weechat-headless
2021-06-12 21:15:38	kn\	glowing-bear
2021-06-12 21:15:40	kn\	done
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2021-06-12 21:15:56	Hash	:q, :q!, :wq, and :wq!
2021-06-12 21:15:59	@ldlework	vaio: try passing your pc through a window
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2021-06-12 21:16:18	Druid	i have to look into nixos
2021-06-12 21:16:28	vaio	ldlework: will try
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2021-06-12 21:16:44	malign	ldlework: :D
2021-06-12 21:16:59	Druid	jeez whom klined ?
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2021-06-12 21:17:42	oxek	Hash: why would you do :wq ?
2021-06-12 21:17:51	vaio	btw which distro you guys are running ?
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2021-06-12 21:18:10	Hash	write/quit
2021-06-12 21:18:20	oxek	Hash: how is it different from :x ?
2021-06-12 21:18:33	Hash	:x only writes if there are changes
2021-06-12 21:18:38	Druid	im on that ubuntu
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2021-06-12 21:18:57	oxek	Hash: I see. Why would you want to write it if there are no changes though?
2021-06-12 21:19:18	Druid	eighteen dot zero four
2021-06-12 21:19:29	Druid	number keys not working :/
2021-06-12 21:19:40	oxek	vaio: debian
2021-06-12 21:19:43	Hash	If there are no changes, it won't write and only quit.
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2021-06-12 21:19:53	Hash	This is what :x does
2021-06-12 21:20:12	vaio	k
2021-06-12 21:20:19	oxek	Hash: makes more sense to me than :wq then
2021-06-12 21:20:39	oxek	anyway, ZZ and ZQ are the way :p
2021-06-12 21:20:40	Druid	cant go wrong with debian
2021-06-12 21:20:49	Druid	i use it on my server
2021-06-12 21:20:53	Hash	:x == ZZ
2021-06-12 21:21:01	oxek	Druid: you can, if your hardware is too new or requires non-free firmware to install
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2021-06-12 21:21:23	Druid	hmm true
2021-06-12 21:21:25	kn\	Debian doesn't even boot for me
2021-06-12 21:21:26	kn\	lol
2021-06-12 21:21:32	Druid	wifi issues i assume
2021-06-12 21:21:49	kn\	Debian/Fedora/Ubuntu wouldn't boot for me
2021-06-12 21:21:53	Druid	o wow
2021-06-12 21:22:04	kn\	I wrote an image for Arch to my usb and just did a custom install
2021-06-12 21:22:05	Druid	i had issues with alpine linux
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2021-06-12 21:22:07	kn\	and viola
2021-06-12 21:22:09	kn\	it works
2021-06-12 21:22:22	kn\	Arch with btrfs/snapper is good
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2021-06-12 21:23:16	pinkieval	What happened to #python?
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2021-06-12 21:24:49	Hash	Consolidated namespace
2021-06-12 21:24:55	Hash	# to ##
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2021-06-12 21:25:52	crabbedhaloablut	pinkieval: banned
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2021-06-12 21:26:17	pinkieval	Hash: is that a new policy?
2021-06-12 21:26:22	Hash	I'm not sure.
2021-06-12 21:26:23	Druid	yeah.. same with znc
2021-06-12 21:26:29	pinkieval	#python was owned by the PSF, wasn't it?
2021-06-12 21:26:39	Hash	I think official python.org people would need to apply for #python
2021-06-12 21:26:45	bjs	Hash: they already owned it
2021-06-12 21:26:50	Hash	Did they
2021-06-12 21:26:51	bjs	it was registered to the PSF
2021-06-12 21:26:52	bjs	yes
2021-06-12 21:26:54	Byteflux	pinkieval: Correct, the official PSF channel was closed earlier.
2021-06-12 21:27:00	Hash	I've no idea
2021-06-12 21:27:05	Hash	I jsut care about programming in python
2021-06-12 21:27:13	Hash	Not who runs what channels and if it's # or ##
2021-06-12 21:27:23	Druid	ignore my last msg
2021-06-12 21:27:23	kn\	join #freenode-bnc
2021-06-12 21:27:30	crabbedhaloablut	The Cartoon Villain strikes again
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2021-06-12 21:27:42	pinkieval	Hash: yeah but that doesn't really answer my question
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2021-06-12 21:28:04	Druid	i love serpent lang
2021-06-12 21:28:06	Druid	hiss
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2021-06-12 21:28:25	crabbedhaloablut	pinkieval: Don't think about rules. Just imagine what a Cartoon Villain would do, there's your answer.
2021-06-12 21:28:29	Druid	rhyme with piss
2021-06-12 21:28:45	audemenon	Are We Talking About Piss
2021-06-12 21:29:03	pinkieval	crabbedhaloablut, Druid, audemenon: please, I asked a serious question
2021-06-12 21:29:12	bjs	Hash: freenode policy is roughly that single-hash channels are official project channels.  That used to be the policy anyway,  it's very hard to know what the polices are anymore.  Afaik the PSF did not voluntarily give up the channel
2021-06-12 21:29:37	Hash	Well, everyone is trying to do the best they can.
2021-06-12 21:29:40	Hash	\o/
2021-06-12 21:29:45	vaio	ahahah
2021-06-12 21:29:50	 *	Druid googles how 2 b srs
2021-06-12 21:29:51	Hash	Sometimes things don't always go the best way though.
2021-06-12 21:30:01	crabbedhaloablut	pinkieval: And we're giving serious answers. Our Cartoon Overlord just deleted all previous policy and made it say "His Will Be Done".
2021-06-12 21:30:05	Byteflux	pinkieval: Supposedly the channel was in violation of network policy, it was simply closed by network operators as a result. There's no indication that a warning was issued. The PSF has also moved the official channel to another location but the particular details are against network policy to discuss.
2021-06-12 21:30:12	bjs	Hash: I mean,  uh,  not really no
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2021-06-12 21:30:57	Druid	o thats no gud byte flux
2021-06-12 21:30:57	vaio	root: i wonder who you're working for
2021-06-12 21:31:06	pinkieval	Byteflux: what policy?
2021-06-12 21:31:08	vaio	it becomes a bit scary tbh
2021-06-12 21:31:14	crabbedhaloablut	pinkieval: https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0/-/commit/095e0c1201da17c0c05e32f397d9b20090b4ebcb
2021-06-12 21:31:41	Druid	link dont work for me
2021-06-12 21:31:44	Druid	nvm
2021-06-12 21:31:46	Druid	loaded
2021-06-12 21:32:01	pinkieval	crabbedhaloablut: again, that's not an answer
2021-06-12 21:32:04	vaio	i guess the plan will be to sell freenode at some point
2021-06-12 21:32:12	vaio	like PIA
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2021-06-12 21:32:33	essiambre	I wonder what Freenode will be worth.
2021-06-12 21:32:35	bjs	Hash: I mean let's be honest, it's very clear what's going on and why the channel is gone. It's not nice :(
2021-06-12 21:32:43	vaio	essiambre: probably not much
2021-06-12 21:32:45	Byteflux	pinkieval: Presumably for establishing a channel topic that made users aware of the move, I guess this is considered "spam" or "advertisement"
2021-06-12 21:32:46	Hash	I've no idea.
2021-06-12 21:32:48	bjs	but at least the communities are less split
2021-06-12 21:33:03	crabbedhaloablut	pinkieval: The best answer anyone can give you is "they decided, they acted".
2021-06-12 21:33:12	Hash	Why do you think the channel is gone?
2021-06-12 21:33:18	Byteflux	The network operators haven't clarified anything.
2021-06-12 21:33:42	crabbedhaloablut	They don't need to, according to their policies.
2021-06-12 21:34:23	pinkieval	Byteflux: if "establishing a channel topic that made users aware of the move" is against the rules, then why are #ipfs and ##linux still allowed, for example?
2021-06-12 21:34:30	audemenon	vaio: The Question To Ask Is Who Most Wants Python Destroyed
2021-06-12 21:34:47	Byteflux	pinkieval: From what I've personally noticed, enforcement of this policy has been very selective.
2021-06-12 21:34:48	kn\	##linux is offtopic channel
2021-06-12 21:34:52	kn\	is a*
2021-06-12 21:35:09	vaio	audemenon: huh ?
2021-06-12 21:35:18	Hash	How do I list all the channels regisgered to my account?
2021-06-12 21:35:19	pinkieval	kn\: so it's spam to advertise the move of an ontopic channel, but not to advertise the move of an offtopic channel?
2021-06-12 21:35:23	pinkieval	That's complicated
2021-06-12 21:35:32	vaio	now it's more about "who wants foss to be destroyed"
2021-06-12 21:35:34	Hash	What's the command? /msg chanserv access list? something someting
2021-06-12 21:35:39	vaio	or "moved away"
2021-06-12 21:35:40	Hash	Who knows this?
2021-06-12 21:35:51	essiambre	Hash: /msg chanserv access #channel list
2021-06-12 21:35:55	bjs	Hash: because the PSF advertises libera not freenode.  The channel was registered to the PSF and it was being used to discuss- and answer questions about- Python,  as well as discussions about the split between freenode and libera.  It being closed for "spam" or "advertising" is entirely transparent.
2021-06-12 21:35:59	Hash	No for all the channels.
2021-06-12 21:36:09	Hash	I want a list of all the channels regged to my account on freenode
2021-06-12 21:36:18	vaio	Hash: go ask #help
2021-06-12 21:36:19	pinkieval	Hash: /msg Nickserv LISTCHANS
2021-06-12 21:36:25	vaio	that's what the channel is for
2021-06-12 21:36:56	Druid	ldlework: nixos looks good from their preview
2021-06-12 21:37:07	Druid	that environment stuff is handy
2021-06-12 21:37:35	@ldlework	Druid: you know how people keep dotfiles so that when they get a new workstation, or whatever, they can get most of their tools working like they were before, as much as possible, hopefully?
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2021-06-12 21:38:16	kn\	It's a matter of preference. Fedora Silverblue is similar but I hear NixOS is really good
2021-06-12 21:38:19	@ldlework	NixOS is like that, but for your whole system, down to the version of every app, and every dependency. Not only can you take your settings files with you to your next machine, you can take the exact software those configs go with too.
2021-06-12 21:38:23	kn\	wouldn't use anything fedora
2021-06-12 21:38:29	pinkieval	ldlework: do you know why #python was closed?
2021-06-12 21:38:34	Druid	yeah i keep my vim dotfiles on git
2021-06-12 21:38:56	Byteflux	pinkieval: Beware that people asking this question have previously been labelled trolls and banned from the network.
2021-06-12 21:39:01	Byteflux	If you push it hard enough.
2021-06-12 21:39:07	Hash	Ok thanks
2021-06-12 21:39:18	Hash	I need to clean up this list, I own channels I don't ever use
2021-06-12 21:39:20	Druid	ohh nice
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2021-06-12 21:39:28	@ldlework	pinkieval: I assume due to recommending Freenode users away from the network, but I have no official word to give.
2021-06-12 21:39:28	CalimeroTeknik	bjs, overall, it seems to me that this is a test of patience for freenode users: can they remain civilized in the face of decomplexed obnoxiousness? or perhaps this is so freenode will host exlusively Open Source Software, but not Libre Software
2021-06-12 21:39:30	Druid	i think i know what to install on this lappie next
2021-06-12 21:39:43	pinkieval	ldlework: Wouldn't that also apply to #ipfs and ##linux?
2021-06-12 21:39:44	bjs	CalimeroTeknik: freenode is still very large,  it's unlikely to collapse
2021-06-12 21:39:46	Byteflux	pinkieval: Excuse me, I mean from the channel.
2021-06-12 21:40:00	Pricey	ldlework: Does that explanation make sense to you? Is that normal?
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2021-06-12 21:40:08	Druid	haha freenode is large like me
2021-06-12 21:40:10	Druid	im pround
2021-06-12 21:40:15	Druid	proud and round
2021-06-12 21:40:39	CalimeroTeknik	bjs, I will not comment but any comment I could make would not tend to support your thesis here
2021-06-12 21:40:40	bjs	CalimeroTeknik: it's becoming less sure,  but i still think things will stabilize. Although the other place will probably end up with more traffic
2021-06-12 21:41:04	@ldlework	I don't think it is an intrinsically foregone conclusion that you have to allow people to use your network resources as means to detriment of the network. But that's just my opinion.
2021-06-12 21:41:16	crabbedhaloablut	ldlework: do you feel proud about working here?
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2021-06-12 21:41:29	bjs	ldlework: each network is free to choose who they host of course
2021-06-12 21:41:33	vaio	bjs: my guess is that freenode will become an "average users network", while in the past it used to host a good level of knowledgable people
2021-06-12 21:41:44	@ldlework	I hardly "work here", I'm just trying to help and give my input where I am able.
2021-06-12 21:41:45	vaio	freenode will lose quality
2021-06-12 21:41:49	Byteflux	CalimeroTeknik: Really just seems like an abuse of authority towards anything that is critical. You can observe this from the rapidly declining numbers and considerably reduced PRIVMSG volume.
2021-06-12 21:41:50	vaio	(more than it already has)
2021-06-12 21:41:51	bjs	and those communities are free to move about too,  it's unfortunate the mess that has happened
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2021-06-12 21:42:05	crabbedhaloablut	ldlework: your @ says otherwise.
2021-06-12 21:42:13	pinkieval	ldlework: can you ask the rest of the staff to write an official statement of what is and isn't allowed to do when some organization wants to move its official channel to another network? I think that would answer a lot of questions/concerns
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2021-06-12 21:42:15	audemenon	I Think The Trend Is That Every Channel On Freenode Will Be Set +M
2021-06-12 21:42:48	crabbedhaloablut	pinkieval: they don't *want* policies. They want license.
2021-06-12 21:42:49	Habbie	audemenon, not the ## channels that freenode staff runs as 'community channels for $thing'
2021-06-12 21:42:50	vaio	Why Are You Writing Like That ?  It's Exhausting To The Little Finger
2021-06-12 21:42:56	pinkieval	crabbedhaloablut: shush, let the staff answer
2021-06-12 21:43:14	kn\	\b
2021-06-12 21:43:30	crabbedhaloablut	pinkieval: good luck, we've been trying to get sense out of them for weeks
2021-06-12 21:43:41	CalimeroTeknik	de-facto policy is the staff does not answer your questions
2021-06-12 21:43:51	CalimeroTeknik	that's been consistent since day 1
2021-06-12 21:44:11	CalimeroTeknik	you may get responses however, which usually do not answer the question
2021-06-12 21:44:19	CaptainUnix	holy hell just leave if you hate it here so much
2021-06-12 21:44:44	bjs	It's very unclear what "advertising" or "spam" is;  I personally have been very careful with what I say and who I say it to.
2021-06-12 21:44:44	crabbedhaloablut	CaptainUnix: shush, let the staff answer.
2021-06-12 21:45:15	CalimeroTeknik	CaptainUnix, I study the phenomenon, and I actively tried to help the staff getting better and animate the debate earlier
2021-06-12 21:45:25	Byteflux	It's an interesting policy to try and enforce upon an official channel that is registered to the owning legal entity.
2021-06-12 21:45:36	Habbie	bjs, which is not a fun way to live
2021-06-12 21:45:45	Byteflux	Because if Freenode maintains a policy that says # channels are official, then only the official entity can legally use it.
2021-06-12 21:45:59	bjs	Habbie: yeah,  for in #python I only point out the new place to people I've spoken with before
2021-06-12 21:46:18	Habbie	Byteflux, well, right now nobody is using #python
2021-06-12 21:46:23	audemenon	War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength. Freenode Is Irc.
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2021-06-12 21:46:43	crabbedhaloablut	Byteflux: they deleted that part of the policy
2021-06-12 21:46:47	bjs	Habbie: and to whom I know the questions they ask get answered by people who are there. If I get hit for "spam" or "advertising" then I'll know personally that it was staff abuse in that case
2021-06-12 21:47:01	Habbie	bjs, ack
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2021-06-12 21:47:32	Byteflux	crabbedhaloablut: That's probably in their best interest. By implying officiality, they open themselves to legal trouble if they decide to use those channels in the future.
2021-06-12 21:47:36	bjs	Habbie: although I'll disclose that poor ned was very unhappy with my choice of helping one particular regular make the change :P
2021-06-12 21:47:42	bjs	you probably know who I mean :D
2021-06-12 21:48:15	Habbie	do we often share tab completion collisions? :)
2021-06-12 21:48:22	bjs	Habbie: oh no not them
2021-06-12 21:48:32	crabbedhaloablut	Byteflux: Great position they've put themselves in. Abolish all their policies because they keep breaking them ROFL
2021-06-12 21:48:35	Habbie	oh then i have a slightly longer list ;)
2021-06-12 21:48:48	bjs	Habbie: that person is nice but they have strong beliefs, and it sometimes gets them in hot water
2021-06-12 21:50:00	Byteflux	crabbedhaloablut: It's been quite amazing to watch unfold.
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2021-06-12 21:53:58	Byteflux	bjs: It's often good to tolerate opposing beliefs, you never know what you might learn or how that person might positively affect you in the future. Better than just banning everyone who disagrees with you and calling them trolls.
2021-06-12 21:54:18	Byteflux	Don't know where I've seen that before, hm.
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2021-06-12 21:56:53	←	root has kicked Byteflux (It's often good to tolerate opposing beliefs, right?)
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2021-06-12 21:57:43	essiambre	I always love it when somebody can prove me wrong. It's how I learn.
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2021-06-12 21:58:05	essiambre	I'm old. Learning new stuff keeps me from getting too old too fast.
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2021-06-12 22:04:34	MetaNova	root: your host is *amazing*
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2021-06-12 22:05:47	flyback	so why was python closed again?
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2021-06-12 22:06:20	crabbedhaloablut	flyback: Because they can, and you can't stop them.
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2021-06-12 22:07:49	Hash	flyback: batcave is safe!
2021-06-12 22:07:56	Hash	To the batcave!
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2021-06-12 22:09:44	pydsigner	I don't remember where I saw this communication, but last guidance I heard publically communicated was that setting +m and /topic "go to this other place" was not permitted, but various forms of "we're also at this other place" was permitted. I've not sat in #python in years so I don't know what they did.
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2021-06-12 22:10:23	mainakchhari	1
2021-06-12 22:10:36	Hash	Makes sense.
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2021-06-12 22:11:29	Hash	Policy or no policy, I wouldn't want people telling people on my network to go to another network.
2021-06-12 22:11:55	Hash	Imagine you have a party in your house, and a guest shows up, and starts soliciting everyone, hey, leave this party and go to my house.
2021-06-12 22:12:13	Hash	That's pretty much what people are doing when they put libera.chat in their topics.
2021-06-12 22:12:27	Hash	Some people don't like it, some don't care. *shrug*
2021-06-12 22:12:28	vaio	hey stop spamming for that network
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2021-06-12 22:12:55	vaio	oh right, current policy allows spam, my bad
2021-06-12 22:12:57	coruja	but if the second party is the better one…
2021-06-12 22:12:58	crabbedhaloablut	Yeah, you can't mention that network.
2021-06-12 22:12:59	pinkieval	Hash: If I make friends in a party, am I allowed to tell them they can come to my home next?
2021-06-12 22:13:05	Hash	Sure.
2021-06-12 22:13:17	Hash	But you can't carry around a sign that says, go to my house.
2021-06-12 22:13:25	Hash	You could, but you'd be booted.
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2021-06-12 22:13:41	vaio	depends who runs the party, i guess
2021-06-12 22:13:58	mainakchhari	You have some pretty fixed notions about house parties I see
2021-06-12 22:14:12	Hash	I do. It's my house. It's my party. I run the show
2021-06-12 22:14:17	Hash	If you don't like the party, find another one.
2021-06-12 22:14:27	Kasper	yeah and don't raid the fridge
2021-06-12 22:14:29	crabbedhaloablut	Some people are precious and can't handle people liking other people better.
2021-06-12 22:15:02	pydsigner	I'm hoping that all of this will lead to more broad-spectrum federation within individual communities, i.e. IRC channels on various networks linked to each other and to Discord, Matrix, etc but I guess we'll see
2021-06-12 22:15:03	mainakchhari	I love this party! Specially since I'm the unpopular kid rarely ever invited to one
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2021-06-12 22:15:24	oxek	Imagine you provide free housing to students, where each one gets their own room. Some students decide to leave, but put a sticker on the door telling people where they moved to and prevent anyone from moving into that room again. Now the only purpose of that room is an advertisement on where to find that student again, in a world where internet searches exist so it is just wasting space and
2021-06-12 22:15:25	oxek	resources that could be utilized for something better.
2021-06-12 22:15:47	Hash	Precisely.
2021-06-12 22:15:53	Hash	That's a good analogy.
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2021-06-12 22:16:12	Hash	Empty channels on Freenode just pointing users to another network is needless.
2021-06-12 22:16:19	crabbedhaloablut	So we burn the whole dorm down and piss on the remains, wait wut?
2021-06-12 22:16:33	CaptainUnix	nobody burned anything down
2021-06-12 22:16:34	Kasper	imagine some hostile control freaks trying to browbeat their users to go somewhere else
2021-06-12 22:16:39	Hash	The same people don't have to run the same communities.
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2021-06-12 22:16:58	Hash	If python people decided to move to libera, sure. Now you can leave this open for us to discuss python stuff too.
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2021-06-12 22:17:08	Hash	Where is it writ that only the official people have to run the show.
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2021-06-12 22:17:11	crabbedhaloablut	Kasper: the users are there of their own free will.
2021-06-12 22:17:28	crabbedhaloablut	And there's more every day.
2021-06-12 22:17:30	CaptainUnix	crabbedhaloablut: why are you here?
2021-06-12 22:17:38	KindOne	oxek: You can't compare something that requires contracts to something like irc that does not require that.
2021-06-12 22:17:38	Hash	IMHO, channels belong to the public, the uses, the community, and not to certain parties or allegiances.
2021-06-12 22:17:38	oxek	crabbedhaloablut: good analogy, that's what some people want to do, claming that owning property is evil and people should be allowed to do whatever with anyone elses property
2021-06-12 22:17:41	crabbedhaloablut	Meanwhile, over here in the ashes, people are leaving
2021-06-12 22:17:44	Hash	users*
2021-06-12 22:18:05	Hash	So let them leave.
2021-06-12 22:18:12	crabbedhaloablut	CaptainUnix: I'm waiting for the opers to explain themselves.
2021-06-12 22:18:17	CaptainUnix	why?
2021-06-12 22:18:18	Hash	Whoever wants to go is welcome, and whoever wants to say is welcome.
2021-06-12 22:18:20	CaptainUnix	why do you care?
2021-06-12 22:18:24	Hash	stay*
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2021-06-12 22:18:31	oxek	KindOne: freenode has policies, which are like a contract which you agree to by connecting (or not disconnecting after reading motd), and the only possible punishment for breaking it is a K-Line
2021-06-12 22:18:40	crabbedhaloablut	CaptainUnix: I believe no one is beyond salvation.
2021-06-12 22:18:45	CaptainUnix	lmao
2021-06-12 22:18:47	CaptainUnix	just leave
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2021-06-12 22:19:00	crabbedhaloablut	CaptainUnix: I extend the same courtesy to you
2021-06-12 22:19:09	CaptainUnix	i don't care, i don't need your courtesies
2021-06-12 22:19:21	crabbedhaloablut	Have it your way then
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2021-06-12 22:20:21	bjs	oxek: it's a bit silly the analogy though,  because the "prevent others from moving in" part doesn't really relate.
2021-06-12 22:20:41	Habbie	oxek, i think events of the last few weeks have clearly shown that freenode has various other punishments it will dole out in revenge
2021-06-12 22:20:54	oxek	bjs: it's not perfect, but I was trying to compare it to "preventing users from discussing the topic of the channel"
2021-06-12 22:20:57	bjs	oxek: it's not like there's finitely many rooms and so some of the resources are now held up in that way,  it's just a different situation.  Maybe there's a better analogy.
2021-06-12 22:21:12	Hash	Habbie: last few weeks have also shows the amount of needless abuse people are willing to dole out to new freenode staff
2021-06-12 22:21:17	rbraun	Habbie: yes
2021-06-12 22:21:25	Hash	Try to keep your pespective balaned.
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2021-06-12 22:21:28	Hash	balanced*
2021-06-12 22:21:39	vaio	btw why is the fsf allowed to keep the libera thing in their topic ?
2021-06-12 22:21:45	Habbie	Hash, i'm not disputing that at all
2021-06-12 22:21:51	vaio	that seems pretty unfair in regard of other projects
2021-06-12 22:21:51	Habbie	Hash, i also don't think it is relevant
2021-06-12 22:21:52	oxek	bjs: also the finite resources could be the "order" in /list. Both /list and /msg alis list are a bit unusuable, if there are too many channels that are just tombstones.
2021-06-12 22:22:12	antto	quick, take over their channels
2021-06-12 22:22:22	 *	essiambre notes that FSF is loaded with lawyers
2021-06-12 22:22:23	Druid	tbh i feel for the staff, most have joined after the debacle happened
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2021-06-12 22:22:46	Habbie	Hash, if abuse from person/group A causes staff to act vengeful to entirely unrelated persons/groups B, then perhaps said staff is not fit to run an irc network, especially not one that claims to 'be FOSS'
2021-06-12 22:22:48	vaio	essiambre: right :)
2021-06-12 22:23:01	bjs	oxek: that's a very easy thing to fix with a tiny amount of software just to do some LRU stuff
2021-06-12 22:23:09	bjs	the analogy just doesn't fit very well
2021-06-12 22:23:11	Hash	Now consider how the staff are also human, taking abuse left and right, from nasty people...
2021-06-12 22:23:13	antto	oxek, the first time i saw a thombstone channel was after freenodecom did its thing
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2021-06-12 22:23:25	oxek	bjs: I meant "order" as in lack of mess/chaos
2021-06-12 22:23:34	Habbie	Hash, you, meanwhile, appear to be forgetting which side started 'the abuse'
2021-06-12 22:23:34	Hash	If they get short tempered or quick with /ban etc. then that's also understandable.
2021-06-12 22:23:37	pinkieval	Hash: it's not FOSS, it's IRC now
2021-06-12 22:23:48	schneider	true
2021-06-12 22:23:56	audemenon	Habbie: It's Like Israel All Over Again
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2021-06-12 22:23:57	Hash	How do I know who started what?
2021-06-12 22:24:01	bjs	oxek: /msg alis list whatever  could always just return only channels that people actually use
2021-06-12 22:24:02	crabbedhaloablut	vaio: I think the Dark Prince made a promise to facilitate the move during the big FSF debate a fortnight(?) ago.
2021-06-12 22:24:03	Hash	All I see is who is doing what now.
2021-06-12 22:24:08	Druid	ease on klines tho plix
2021-06-12 22:24:09	Hash	And what they are continuing to do.
2021-06-12 22:24:15	Habbie	Hash, what I know is that I abused no staff, then suddenly got a bunch of channels disowned
2021-06-12 22:24:20	Habbie	Hash, and my story is far from unique
2021-06-12 22:24:28	Hash	Life happens.
2021-06-12 22:24:34	Habbie	yes
2021-06-12 22:24:37	vaio	still, it doesn't seems fair
2021-06-12 22:24:39	Hash	How do you deal with adversity?
2021-06-12 22:24:40	schneider	how is the anon channel going?
2021-06-12 22:24:43	Habbie	but freenode appears to be determined to not have life happen here
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2021-06-12 22:24:48	vaio	but tbh i'm not surprised at all
2021-06-12 22:24:48	oxek	bjs: hard to determine, given the nature of IRC. Having dead/useless channels polluting that list doesn't help however, especially with thousands of channels in there.
2021-06-12 22:24:50	Habbie	and i just. don't. get it.
2021-06-12 22:24:53	Hash	They are not determined to do that.
2021-06-12 22:24:55	bjs	oxek: a channel that is dead and nobody speaks in might as well be dropped from the listing services by default there's no reason to keep them around by default, if they're taking up some kind of resource then that's just easy to fix
2021-06-12 22:25:01	bjs	oxek: it's hard for you to determine but not for the services
2021-06-12 22:25:08	Hash	You're frustrated, and I get it.
2021-06-12 22:25:10	bjs	they can easily see what channels are being talked on
2021-06-12 22:25:13	Habbie	Hash, I have tried very hard to explain staff behaviour otherwise, and, like many others, am failing to see it
2021-06-12 22:25:13	Hash	Loss is not easy to deal with.
2021-06-12 22:25:23	Habbie	yes
2021-06-12 22:25:26	Habbie	loss of communities
2021-06-12 22:25:32	flyback	loss is war
2021-06-12 22:25:35	Hash	Loss of power over said communities
2021-06-12 22:25:36	flyback	when irc is all you have
2021-06-12 22:25:36	bjs	oxek: it's just a bad analogy
2021-06-12 22:25:50	Hash	How do you get back what you lost?
2021-06-12 22:25:58	Hash	What's the way to get what you want?
2021-06-12 22:25:59	Habbie	Hash, please do not rephase me so poorly, it's rude
2021-06-12 22:25:59	Kasper	you take the remaining people and rebuild it
2021-06-12 22:26:03	Hash	Consider that, and make a game plan.
2021-06-12 22:26:05	oxek	bjs: there are channels where nobody can say anything for months, but if someone has a question then they get a reply within minutes. Hiding such a channel in /list would be counterproductive for people looking for help
2021-06-12 22:26:05	Hash	Then go with that.
2021-06-12 22:26:13	schneider	maybe fracturing the communities is the intention of freenode?
2021-06-12 22:26:27	Kasper	it's okay to take one community and turn it into two with a slight overlap
2021-06-12 22:26:29	Habbie	schneider, they say it's not; the actions are hard to explain otherwise; but I don't get it
2021-06-12 22:26:35	Kasper	open source forks all the time
2021-06-12 22:26:37	Hash	Habbie: I didn't rephrase you. I added the psychological factor for what causes people to feel sour when they lose irc channels.
2021-06-12 22:26:38	oxek	bjs: to be fair, all analogies are inherently bad :)
2021-06-12 22:26:51	oxek	because only 1 = 1
2021-06-12 22:26:55	Habbie	Hash, please don't project invented factors on me, then
2021-06-12 22:27:00	Hash	You want to be the guy in charge, run the show, as you see fit, according to your thinking. When that gets taken from you I understand it doesn't feel too good.
2021-06-12 22:27:03	bjs	oxek: yes but i think this one is particularly bad i'm not sure it's worth hanging onto
2021-06-12 22:27:03	Hash	Get used to loss.
2021-06-12 22:27:07	Hash	One day you will lose it all.
2021-06-12 22:27:11	Hash	Practice now.
2021-06-12 22:27:14	oxek	bjs: sure, I dropped it
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2021-06-12 22:27:38	Hash	All this is ephemral and temporary anyway
2021-06-12 22:27:47	Hash	Build attachments and you will suffer.
2021-06-12 22:27:49	Hash	*shrug*
2021-06-12 22:28:08	bjs	Hash: I don't think people want attachments they just want to know what the policies are
2021-06-12 22:28:17	bjs	I for one am not sure what counts as "spam" or "advertising" exactly
2021-06-12 22:28:17	Hash	Be patient.
2021-06-12 22:28:19	crabbedhaloablut	Hash: You're sowing salt
2021-06-12 22:28:23	schneider	people want entertainment
2021-06-12 22:28:25	Habbie	be patient for what?
2021-06-12 22:28:29	Hash	Stop abusing and causing emotional drama, needless criticisms...
2021-06-12 22:28:34	Hash	Give it time and let peopel figure it out.
2021-06-12 22:28:36	schneider	freenode is entertaining me
2021-06-12 22:28:49	vaio	^i
2021-06-12 22:28:56	crabbedhaloablut	^
2021-06-12 22:28:57	vaio	s/i//
2021-06-12 22:29:03	Hash	Relax. Go smoke a doobie. Eat a mushroom. Smoke some DMT. Go do your thing and be patient.
2021-06-12 22:29:05	bjs	Hash: eh I mean it's not that simple because if we don't know then we can't know whether we're breaking polices and we "find out" by being K-lined or having our channels suddenly closed for breaking them
2021-06-12 22:29:09	Kasper	the whiners/trolls don't really care, they are just concern trolling
2021-06-12 22:29:20	bjs	Hash: I mean it's not ideal,  and freenode are free to do it of course
2021-06-12 22:29:23	antto	is taking drugs the new policy?
2021-06-12 22:29:24	Kasper	andrew banned three of them earlier in 10 seconds, just waiting for round 2
2021-06-12 22:29:24	Kasper	:D
2021-06-12 22:29:26	Hash	*nod*
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2021-06-12 22:30:48	crabbedhaloablut	You're so salty, the only way you think you can win is with klines. lol
2021-06-12 22:31:10	schneider	every kline helps
2021-06-12 22:31:15	Hash	Take 10mg Fuckitol HCL.
2021-06-12 22:31:19	flyback	hah
2021-06-12 22:31:20	Hash	I highly recommend it.
2021-06-12 22:31:21	Hash	:)
2021-06-12 22:31:23	Habbie	Hash, I agree with bjs here - it's very hard to be patient when network staff will randomly kline people and commandeer channels
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2021-06-12 22:31:36	rndusr	kline me
2021-06-12 22:31:39	Hash	It's not random.
2021-06-12 22:31:50	Habbie	Hash, it's also not explained, or explainable from documented policy
2021-06-12 22:31:54	bjs	The K-lines have been over the top tbh,  channel quiets and bans exist for those purposes
2021-06-12 22:31:57	Hash	They're not randomly going around, picking and targeting nicks and klining them.
2021-06-12 22:32:03	Habbie	Hash, ok, sure
2021-06-12 22:32:03	Hash	I've seen abuse from the ones who were klined mostly.
2021-06-12 22:32:07	Habbie	Hash, arbitrary, is the word, then
2021-06-12 22:32:11	bjs	Hash: I got K-lined yesterday
2021-06-12 22:32:11	Hash	I've yet to see one abusive kline.
2021-06-12 22:32:12	Kasper	this channel is for support, not whining, technically this whole discussion is off topic
2021-06-12 22:32:13	bjs	by mistake
2021-06-12 22:32:24	flyback	Kasper, BMCC
2021-06-12 22:32:30	Hash	I wouldn't count mistakes.
2021-06-12 22:32:33	schneider	bjs: sad but good
2021-06-12 22:32:43	bjs	Hash: why not?  at least they undid it.
2021-06-12 22:32:50	Habbie	Kasper, i looked, but i'm not aware of a channel where that is on topic
2021-06-12 22:32:57	Habbie	Kasper, at least, not one where people can see eachother talk
2021-06-12 22:33:05	Hash	You don't harp on mistakes. You learn from them and move on. And forgive them.
2021-06-12 22:33:12	Kasper	well you can keep it yourself then
2021-06-12 22:34:03	antto	criticising the network/staff is against the rules
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2021-06-12 22:34:12	Hash	If I was an IRC op on freenode, and I took massive random abuse from people, and my life was made hell in the past few weeks, I may be likely to kline some people I thought were being abusive or disruptive.
2021-06-12 22:34:15	crabbedhaloablut	Hash: I'm glad you agree banning #python was a mistake
2021-06-12 22:34:24	Hash	Everyone is human. Allow room for errors in everyone's thinking.
2021-06-12 22:34:53	bjs	Hash: well no not really,  mistakes are of course a source for learning but they affect others and care should be taken to mitigate and rectify mistakes.  Continually making "mistakes" that affect others is something that will definitely make people think negatively
2021-06-12 22:35:02	flyback	Hash technically your channel is in violation of the rules
2021-06-12 22:35:04	Kasper	someone might have a question, and then it gets lost in all the random noise
2021-06-12 22:35:18	crabbedhaloablut	Kasper: Stop talking then.
2021-06-12 22:35:18	Hash	flyback: your face is in violation of my fist! :D
2021-06-12 22:35:19	bjs	Kasper: a question about what
2021-06-12 22:35:24	Hash	flyback: the batcave is fine
2021-06-12 22:35:36	Hash	flyback: I also was able to request #drugs for pharmacology.
2021-06-12 22:35:40	Hash	:)
2021-06-12 22:35:50	Hash	Previous staff was close minded.
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2021-06-12 22:36:36	Kasper	some young man who found the glory of IRC for the first time and is struggling to register a nickname
2021-06-12 22:36:38	Kasper	or set channel modes
2021-06-12 22:36:47	bjs	Kasper: isn't this the wrong channel for those questions
2021-06-12 22:36:48	bjs	see the topic
2021-06-12 22:36:49	Hash	Kasper: /topic
2021-06-12 22:36:53	crabbedhaloablut	We're trying to get an answer from staff about #python and why it was banned, and you people are just here with your salty attitudes.
2021-06-12 22:36:58	Hash	Kasper: #help for help on freenode.
2021-06-12 22:37:10	Hash	This is now a general freenode discussion channel. AFAICT
2021-06-12 22:37:17	antto	ooh
2021-06-12 22:37:24	antto	so it's just the popcr0n material now
2021-06-12 22:37:25	antto	nice
2021-06-12 22:37:26	Kasper	hmm it used to be for support
2021-06-12 22:37:27	Hash	Be sure to remind folks of that.
2021-06-12 22:37:34	Hash	Things change.
2021-06-12 22:37:34	Habbie	Kasper, yes, until a month ago, this was the support channel
2021-06-12 22:37:39	bjs	Kasper: the polices have changed without anyone telling you?
2021-06-12 22:37:40	Abrax	its not banned really
2021-06-12 22:37:42	not_uplime	probably better for staff to just make this an actual help channel
2021-06-12 22:37:43	bjs	Oh my never
2021-06-12 22:37:48	Abrax	you can go to ##python as far as i know
2021-06-12 22:37:55	oxek	Hash: it isn't general discussion channel, read /motd
2021-06-12 22:38:00	Hash	#python forwards to #python
2021-06-12 22:38:07	bjs	Abrax: freenode makes a distinction between single-hash channels and double-hash channels though
2021-06-12 22:38:13	not_uplime	Hash: no it doesn't
2021-06-12 22:38:19	Kasper	it could still be for support of the sockpuppet troll crew would just go back to libera
2021-06-12 22:38:28	Habbie	Abrax, ##python is run by freenode staff, not by the PSF
2021-06-12 22:38:35	crabbedhaloablut	bjs: not anymore, didn't you read the "Freenode is IRC" commit?
2021-06-12 22:38:55	Hash	Oops
2021-06-12 22:38:58	Hash	#python forwards to ##python
2021-06-12 22:39:03	Hash	I missed a #
2021-06-12 22:39:09	not_uplime	you seem to miss a lot
2021-06-12 22:39:18	oxek	#python should forward to #javascript
2021-06-12 22:39:21	 *	oxek hides
2021-06-12 22:39:24	Hash	Perhaps
2021-06-12 22:39:26	devsnek	afaict freenode is just a place for andrew to show off his irc bots now
2021-06-12 22:39:27	Hash	Feel free to fill me in.
2021-06-12 22:39:40	MetaNova	that's what she said
2021-06-12 22:39:41	crabbedhaloablut	Hash: python is an invite-only channel at the moment
2021-06-12 22:39:42	Myrtti	you know, once upon a time in a galaxy far far away, I was told "delays > mistakes"
2021-06-12 22:39:55	Myrtti	I wonder what happened to that
2021-06-12 22:39:57	oxek	bjs: find any mention of double-hash channels on freenode.net
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2021-06-12 22:40:27	CalimeroTeknik	oxek, do +s channels appear in the list?
2021-06-12 22:40:33	oxek	CalimeroTeknik: no
2021-06-12 22:40:38	Abrax	did the PSF make a commitment to stay on freenode or somethin?
2021-06-12 22:40:41	CalimeroTeknik	well that's your solution then
2021-06-12 22:40:47	bjs	Abrax: no
2021-06-12 22:40:49	Hash	It forwarded a few hours go. Might have changed now.
2021-06-12 22:40:50	Habbie	Abrax, quite the opposite
2021-06-12 22:40:58	Abrax	so why would it still exist
2021-06-12 22:40:59	not_uplime	Abrax: no, they're actively moving to libera. freenode staff did not like that
2021-06-12 22:41:21	bjs	Abrax: why should the PSF commit to freenode to be able to have a channel here?
2021-06-12 22:41:35	bjs	Would they not be allowed to have channels on multiple networks? (Apparently not)
2021-06-12 22:41:42	bjs	oxek: interesting fair enough
2021-06-12 22:41:52	bjs	oxek: I didn't realise they'd updated the actual website already
2021-06-12 22:42:20	Habbie	yes, they updated the website, i saw that an hour ago - not sure when they did it
2021-06-12 22:42:21	bjs	my mistake
2021-06-12 22:42:53	devsnek	how long before the name changes to leenode
2021-06-12 22:42:59	Habbie	(Note: prior to May 2021, these channels existed on Freenode. Some of them were forcibly removed by Freenode operators, after a change in management and network policy. The channels on Freenode are no longer under the PSF umbrella.)
2021-06-12 22:42:59	antto	freenope
2021-06-12 22:43:45	Hash	All I want to do is drugs and make software and listen to music. Drama is too intense.
2021-06-12 22:43:47	CalimeroTeknik	oxek, for the record I've had channels that were +s be taken over
2021-06-12 22:43:57	Hash	o/
2021-06-12 22:43:59	Hash	Have a good day
2021-06-12 22:44:05	Habbie	CalimeroTeknik, yep, that's a fun one
2021-06-12 22:44:07	antto	Hash, interesting priorities
2021-06-12 22:44:08	bjs	CalimeroTeknik: yes the libera staff found it funny because the bot op'd itself on the +s channels so they got revealed
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2021-06-12 22:44:27	CalimeroTeknik	ah yes that was a problem for some security channels
2021-06-12 22:44:50	schneider	 /o\
2021-06-12 22:44:52	crabbedhaloablut	Ham-fisted, misdirected, mistaken.
2021-06-12 22:45:15	Myrtti	delays > mistakes
2021-06-12 22:45:32	bjs	CalimeroTeknik: I don't really understand what happened or why this matters for +s and I wasn't in any +s channels so it doesn't affect me shrug
2021-06-12 22:45:48	Abrax	did the psf advertise they were moving?
2021-06-12 22:45:56	CalimeroTeknik	bjs, +s channels do not "pollute" the channel list
2021-06-12 22:45:59	KindOne	CalimeroTeknik: note that cmode +s channel will showup in /list and ALIS only if you are in them.
2021-06-12 22:46:33	CalimeroTeknik	unless of course the ircops mean the channel list only they can see
2021-06-12 22:46:42	bjs	Abrax: https://www.python.org/community/irc/ pointed to libera, and the #python /TOPIC said "We are on Libera"
2021-06-12 22:46:46	devsnek	i just think its funny that if a community wants to move, that is considered spam to freenode
2021-06-12 22:46:51	Abrax	ah
2021-06-12 22:46:53	crabbedhaloablut	Abrax: read for yourself: https://netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23python&net=freenode
2021-06-12 22:46:54	Abrax	ya that is why
2021-06-12 22:46:56	Habbie	bjs, freenode staff removed +s from a lot of channels, exposing their existence and the people in them
2021-06-12 22:47:21	Habbie	bjs, now, if somebody's security depended on that, you can argue they already made poor choices, but it's still not very good that that happened
2021-06-12 22:47:25	antto	folks, the freenodecom bot was obviously made to search a certain name of a certain network in the topics without any kind of other requirements
2021-06-12 22:47:31	bjs	Habbie: yeah it was something like that,  I didn't really take notice but I heard about it
2021-06-12 22:47:51	CalimeroTeknik	devsnek, that's a clear cut from the earlier idea that freenode was a community resource; it is now a company asset. this explains a lot of the shift in vision
2021-06-12 22:47:54	Habbie	antto, requirements such as 'some words also contain these six letters in that order'
2021-06-12 22:48:13	antto	what six letters?
2021-06-12 22:48:17	Habbie	libera
2021-06-12 22:48:30	bjs	Abrax: well you'd really hope that a separate website mentioning libera wasn't the reason to nuke the channel that existed on this network
2021-06-12 22:48:33	antto	not sure what you're trying to say here
2021-06-12 22:48:35	crabbedhaloablut	libera didn't do it. It had to be "libera.chat"
2021-06-12 22:48:37	schneider	the forbidden fruit
2021-06-12 22:48:41	Habbie	antto, then i'm not sure what you're trying to say here
2021-06-12 22:48:55	Habbie	crabbedhaloablut, except plenty of channels with not even 'libera' in the topic were hit
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2021-06-12 22:49:05	bjs	Abrax: if it was the /TOPIC, then if just mentioning the fact it also existed on Libera was "spam" then ... that doesn't seem very clear at all
2021-06-12 22:49:22	crabbedhaloablut	Habbie: I'm talking about the freenodecom hijackings
2021-06-12 22:49:51	antto	Habbie, trying to say that the bot wasn't about "removing spam from topics of visible channels" or anything like that, it was particularly searching for a string in topics of all channels no matter visible or not
2021-06-12 22:50:06	Habbie	crabbedhaloablut, me too
2021-06-12 22:50:17	bjs	Abrax: perhaps it was the fact it was a single-hash channel,  but as oxek says,  there's no distinction anymore so why would it matter anymore?
2021-06-12 22:50:29	antto	it was also not about "some evil channel owners are FORCING the users to move"
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2021-06-12 22:50:35	Habbie	antto, ah, like that, ignoring visibility certainly was one of the problems
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2021-06-12 22:50:41	crabbedhaloablut	Habbie: I didn't know it hit channels without "libera.chat" in the topic.
2021-06-12 22:50:48	Habbie	crabbedhaloablut, i do
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2021-06-12 22:50:58	Habbie	crabbedhaloablut, freenode apologised for that
2021-06-12 22:51:04	devsnek	the secret cancel cabal that controls foss 🤣
2021-06-12 22:51:30	CalimeroTeknik	Habbie, in a peculiar way, saying that it should have been done *differently* (but not "not done")
2021-06-12 22:51:33	schneider	oh, where the affected +s channels the channels which were meant in the apology the hours later?
2021-06-12 22:51:36	antto	Habbie, you mean $boss appologised
2021-06-12 22:51:36	Habbie	CalimeroTeknik, yep!
2021-06-12 22:51:42	Habbie	schneider, not only those
2021-06-12 22:51:43	crabbedhaloablut	Habbie: Now they just have to apologize for the other part and we'll be making real progress.
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2021-06-12 22:52:01	Habbie	crabbedhaloablut, events after that, like #python today, tell me that apology is not coming and the rest was not considered a mistake
2021-06-12 22:52:11	devsnek	and now they've deleted all their policy docs
2021-06-12 22:52:16	CalimeroTeknik	crabbedhaloablut, I'm still waiting for the FAQ Lee promised he'd set up a few weeks ago
2021-06-12 22:52:30	CalimeroTeknik	I even helped gather a draft of that
2021-06-12 22:52:36	CalimeroTeknik	all for nothing so far
2021-06-12 22:52:36	schneider	CalimeroTeknik: i'm sure it will come :)
2021-06-12 22:52:42	CalimeroTeknik	I hope
2021-06-12 22:52:45	crabbedhaloablut	Rules are for suckers, it seems.
2021-06-12 22:52:46	antto	pff
2021-06-12 22:53:28	purplez	why is d[^_^]b doing a version on me without my consent?
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2021-06-12 22:53:42	oxek	purplez: they've been doing it for a few days now, staff are aware
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2021-06-12 22:53:50	oxek	you can block it on your end if you wish
2021-06-12 22:53:52	antto	the first big problem was.. you don't change the policy and apply it immediately with a bot that kills a TON of channels
2021-06-12 22:54:10	schneider	i still think it was a great move
2021-06-12 22:54:11	antto	you could have made the bot.. simply.. change the topics
2021-06-12 22:54:21	CalimeroTeknik	I haven't seen much advance notice on policy change and would like to get some
2021-06-12 22:54:24	pinkieval	antto: If I recall correctly, the policy was changed *after* the bot was deployed
2021-06-12 22:54:33	Myrtti	retconning *is* a common comics plot device...
2021-06-12 22:54:35	antto	pinkieval, that's another detail ;P~
2021-06-12 22:54:35	tinwhiskers	I asked the staff to leave ##chat because I thought it might be having a chilling effect on people chatting. their response was to set up #chat in competition.  they banned me from the new channel purely out of spite
2021-06-12 22:54:36	schneider	pinkieval: details...
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2021-06-12 22:54:57	crabbedhaloablut	schneider: It was what made all the big projects finally decide to pull up stakes.
2021-06-12 22:55:06	antto	yeah
2021-06-12 22:55:12	schneider	crabbedhaloablut: awesome, right?
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2021-06-12 22:55:33	devsnek	i like how they said they're committed to foss
2021-06-12 22:55:34	antto	not entirely, since some decided to stay untill there's people here
2021-06-12 22:55:36	crabbedhaloablut	schneider: 50/50
2021-06-12 22:55:46	schneider	crabbedhaloablut: true
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2021-06-12 22:55:55	devsnek	and then removed everything related to the registration and administration of foss channels
2021-06-12 22:56:09	schneider	crabbedhaloablut: i think it has to happen eventually
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2021-06-12 22:56:14	schneider	had
2021-06-12 22:56:23	crabbedhaloablut	schneider: I mean, it was great that people saw that freenode was burning, but the fire itself is regrettable
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2021-06-12 22:57:35	antto	more like sinking
2021-06-12 22:57:52	schneider	50000 klines to go
2021-06-12 22:58:10	crabbedhaloablut	antto: when it's willful action, the term is "scuttled"
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2021-06-12 22:58:27	antto	i'm not good at engrish
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2021-06-12 22:59:30	antto	that's why i don't manage english literature
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2021-06-12 22:59:45	antto	but some folks are managing a network here ;P~
2021-06-12 22:59:49	antto	particularly one guy
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2021-06-12 23:00:22	antto	he should leave that job to his new staff and let them decide sh*t
2021-06-12 23:00:31	antto	but he can't do that
2021-06-12 23:00:42	antto	he wants to be involved.. sooooo much
2021-06-12 23:00:43	tinwhiskers	nor can they
2021-06-12 23:00:47	schneider	crabbedhaloablut: you might be realizing that my grief is manifesting differently :/
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2021-06-12 23:01:29	schneider	anyways: i think the faster lee implements his vision, the better
2021-06-12 23:01:44	antto	i wonder if the staff are all on the same timezone and sleeping right now ;P~
2021-06-12 23:01:58	schneider	antto: i guess they don't care
2021-06-12 23:02:20	crabbedhaloablut	schneider: I've always been of the opinion that the most humane way to kill prey is quickly.
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2021-06-12 23:03:04	antto	freenode isn't prey
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2021-06-12 23:03:21	schneider	but what if it is mutilating itself?
2021-06-12 23:03:21	crabbedhaloablut	But it got caught.
2021-06-12 23:04:48	schneider	antto: i think what is happening in this channel is irrelevant by now
2021-06-12 23:05:01	antto	of course it is
2021-06-12 23:05:23	schneider	i guess everyone here already made up their mind and is fully aware of the situation
2021-06-12 23:05:49	schneider	question is only if there are enough people who don't know left on the network itself
2021-06-12 23:05:53	antto	IMO the idea about saving the network was tossed after $boss closed the policy-feedback channel by kicking out everyone
2021-06-12 23:06:19	antto	i think that's where he started to realize that he did mistakes.. too many of them for too short of a time
2021-06-12 23:06:24	antto	which can't be undone
2021-06-12 23:06:41	PsyanideRabbit	  IRC died in 1999 ... don't you remember Y2K?
2021-06-12 23:07:04	epony	no, it died in 2004 with Facebuck
2021-06-12 23:07:17	antto	you mean Facepuke?
2021-06-12 23:07:29	PsyanideRabbit	well AOL chat was pretty awesome
2021-06-12 23:07:35	epony	the reality is, 64bit machines gave enough compute to self-host more capacity affordably
2021-06-12 23:07:50	epony	for big businesses, that is peanuts money
2021-06-12 23:08:33	epony	so it's inevitable they will create a fancier varianto of converse portals for marketing and surveillance
2021-06-12 23:09:03	epony	if you believe IRC is this safe place from "fancy" and "analysis" you're deeply confused
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2021-06-12 23:10:02	crabbedhaloablut	https://fosshost.org/news/freenode-partnership-to-be-discontinued
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2021-06-12 23:11:35	epony	third party hosting of free software projects is not as profitable as you may think it is
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2021-06-12 23:12:33	epony	something else is at stake, and it is not your "false" identity at stake
2021-06-12 23:13:10	Habbie	epony, i do not believe IRC is safe from 'analysis', in various forms; I do believe some networks take pride in not making the 'mistakes' that various big companies are making with all the data they have
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2021-06-12 23:14:01	epony	if we check the list of breaches at companies, we can conclude billions of identities are possessed by other people
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2021-06-12 23:14:44	epony	think deeeper into this, what is it that is so attractive to third party hosting companies, to offer the services
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2021-06-12 23:23:15	immibis	why is the prince deleting chits?
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2021-06-12 23:24:10	swordsmanz	immibis:  the jacobites dont want anyonwe talkling about the problems with this network
2021-06-12 23:24:35	immibis	I asked the chitter what the chit was about. Apparently it was saying that a project had moved to another network. Heh, this censorship is very thorough.
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2021-06-12 23:25:23	immibis	and then, he chitted about his chits being deleted, and that chit was also deleted
2021-06-12 23:25:50	swordsmanz	immibis:  yah we cant talk about other networks any more since the facist jacobite junta took control ... its best just to find out from the clearweb wheere everyone is
2021-06-12 23:25:55	immibis	type of governmental structure = fascist
2021-06-12 23:26:01	immibis	on this network now
2021-06-12 23:26:17	immibis	or dictatorship, whatever, one of those
2021-06-12 23:26:26	immibis	i expect to be banned from this channel soon for bringing it up
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2021-06-12 23:26:54	epony	funny, it was heard the previous staff was called the same ;-)
2021-06-12 23:27:01	epony	don't you find it hilarious?
2021-06-12 23:27:23	immibis	don't believe they ever banned anyone for saying a project had relocated
2021-06-12 23:27:26	epony	freenode became more liberal than libera
2021-06-12 23:27:28	vaio	where is hostserv ?
2021-06-12 23:27:30	swordsmanz	epony:  prevcious staff never resorted to stealing chanels
2021-06-12 23:27:40	epony	"my previous"
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2021-06-12 23:28:17	epony	you must be an expert of knowing how pervasive old staff mishandled channel allocation
2021-06-12 23:28:36	oxek	vaio: an implementation is on the todo list
2021-06-12 23:29:01	immibis	oh wow I just read it more closely. The guy who chitted that his chits were being deleted was *k-lined* for chitting about his chits being deleted.
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2021-06-12 23:29:27	swordsmanz	immibis:  yes this is serious stazi stuff
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2021-06-12 23:29:55	epony	that's very important information for anyone who believes the irc protocol has those fancy extensions all of a sudden
2021-06-12 23:30:14	oxek	swordsmanz: stasi
2021-06-12 23:30:21	vaio	someone should be working on this instead of writting nodejs bot
2021-06-12 23:30:31	epony	you?
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2021-06-12 23:30:31	vaio	oh wait, not competent enough ?
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2021-06-12 23:30:49	vaio	epony: im not affiliated to freenode
2021-06-12 23:31:02	epony	but you feel entitled to say who does what
2021-06-12 23:31:30	vaio	imm providing inputs
2021-06-12 23:31:34	vaio	or at leat, i try to
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2021-06-12 23:31:45	immibis	epony: how come you are also entitled, do you work for freenode?
2021-06-12 23:31:49	epony	here, take this soapbox
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2021-06-12 23:35:47	vaio	oof
2021-06-12 23:36:36	tinwhiskers	immibis just got k-lined. lol
2021-06-12 23:36:46	schneider	i was wondering
2021-06-12 23:36:54	Myrtti	oh dear
2021-06-12 23:37:02	crabbedhaloablut	Not a good look
2021-06-12 23:37:07	schneider	my suggestion is to first kick, then k-line
2021-06-12 23:37:19	schneider	looks less heavy
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2021-06-12 23:37:30	Habbie	tinwhiskers, how do you know?
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2021-06-12 23:38:05	tinwhiskers	oh. no.  was just his quit message.  my bad
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2021-06-12 23:40:35	crabbedhaloablut	When people in power generally are so heavy-handed an arbitrary as here on freenode, every kick, ban or kline becomes another example of misuse of power.
2021-06-12 23:41:15	@kisser	crabbedhaloablut freenode don't tolerate breaking its AUP
2021-06-12 23:41:17	schneider	i think they ae free to do that
2021-06-12 23:41:47	wodencafe	tinwhiskers: No he was actually K-Lined.
2021-06-12 23:41:50	crabbedhaloablut	tinwhiskers was correct, he got kline
2021-06-12 23:41:54	tinwhiskers	ah
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2021-06-12 23:42:12	schneider	kisser: AUP?
2021-06-12 23:42:14	pinkieval	kisser: what's AUP?
2021-06-12 23:42:15	crabbedhaloablut	schneider: they are free to do whatever they want according to their policies.
2021-06-12 23:42:15	wodencafe	Whoopsie Freenode.
2021-06-12 23:42:22	oxek	pinkieval: acceptable use policy
2021-06-12 23:42:29	crabbedhaloablut	Don't mean we have to agree.
2021-06-12 23:42:50	wodencafe	Sorry to hear that Fosshost discontinued their partnership with Freenode. Damn, what a shame.
2021-06-12 23:43:02	@kisser	I mean policies
2021-06-12 23:43:02	Myrtti	tragedy
2021-06-12 23:43:07	@kisser	https://freenode.net/policies
2021-06-12 23:43:18	wodencafe	https://fosshost.org/news/freenode-partnership-to-be-discontinued
2021-06-12 23:43:20	tinwhiskers	yes,  terrible shame. I wonder why that happened :-/
2021-06-12 23:43:27	wodencafe	Not a clue.
2021-06-12 23:43:38	crabbedhaloablut	wodencafe: don't worry, eth01 and friends will still be here, just "not as fosshost representatives"
2021-06-12 23:43:39	schneider	cancel culture
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2021-06-12 23:43:49	wodencafe	Something about a unaninmous vote that it was in the best interest of Fosshost to discontinue said partnership.
2021-06-12 23:44:02	oxek	schneider: indeed, culture is bad, let's cancel it
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2021-06-12 23:44:08	schneider	wodencafe: you wanted to say "cancel culture"
2021-06-12 23:44:22	vaio	did they give the donations back ?
2021-06-12 23:44:23	wodencafe	I did? I didn't know you could read my mind o_o
2021-06-12 23:44:34	tinwhiskers	vaio: no
2021-06-12 23:44:38	schneider	wodencafe: :)
2021-06-12 23:44:46	vaio	oh
2021-06-12 23:45:23	schneider	who donated what to whom?
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2021-06-12 23:45:49	tinwhiskers	the donations will still be spent on foss. they are not a form of lobbying
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2021-06-12 23:46:32	vaio	good
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2021-06-12 23:54:30	pinkieval	The part of freenode's privacy policy: "BY CONTINUING TO USE THIS WEBSITE AND/OR SERVICES, YOU AGREE THAT YOU CONSENT TO THIS MOST RECENT PRIVACY POLICY." is incompatible with this definition from GDPR article 4 paragraph 11: "‘consent’ of the data subject means any [...] indication of the data subject's wishes by which he or she, by a statement or by a clear affirmative action, signifies agreement to
2021-06-12 23:54:30	pinkieval	the processing of personal data relating to him or her;". It is further explain the the GDPR's preamble paragraph 32: "Silence, pre-ticked boxes or inactivity should not therefore constitute consent."
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2021-06-12 23:57:22	wodencafe	Hey is it a GPL violation for anonbot to be MIT-licensed, distributed (via Github) and use a GPL-licensed library? Asking for a friend.
2021-06-12 23:57:54	pinkieval	wodencafe: it's not, anonbot isn't a modified version of the library
2021-06-12 23:57:59	Hash	People are like, oh, go to the park, go outside... no way! Burning up outside, and so bright.
2021-06-12 23:58:37	Hash	GDPR is what? EU stuff?
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2021-06-12 23:58:47	tinwhiskers	yeah
2021-06-12 23:58:47	Habbie	it is, yes
2021-06-12 23:58:58	Hash	And Freenode is American registered?
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2021-06-12 23:59:11	tinwhiskers	British
2021-06-12 23:59:16	Hash	If so, does US registered co. have to follow EU law?
2021-06-12 23:59:18	tinwhiskers	at least it was
2021-06-12 23:59:19	Hash	hmm.
2021-06-12 23:59:24	Hash	I've no idea
2021-06-12 23:59:33	Habbie	Hash, when interacting with europeans, yes, it does
2021-06-12 23:59:54	Hash	I see it as, if you interact with US stuff, you comply with US law.
2021-06-13 00:00:04	Hash	Not US complies to you. Then again, I'm not a lawyer
2021-06-13 00:00:05	tinwhiskers	if you want to provide service in the EU you have to work within the GDPR even if registered outside the EU
2021-06-13 00:00:12	pinkieval	Hash: additionally, according to the privacy policy, "All personal information maintained by freenode is encrypted and stored on a server located in the European Union."
2021-06-13 00:00:17	Hash	My logic is probably based on ignorance.
2021-06-13 00:00:28	Noisytoot	It's still UK
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2021-06-13 00:02:14	tinwhiskers	I assume the old freenode also failed to comply with the GDPR in this sense,  or is this a new thing?
2021-06-13 00:02:16	teepee	wodencafe: it's not, but the final bot is GPL, not MIT
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2021-06-13 00:02:49	wodencafe	I'm jsut going by what the readme says https://github.com/realrasengan/anonbot
2021-06-13 00:02:59	wodencafe	Maybe this is the wrong anonbot?
2021-06-13 00:03:04	Noisytoot	https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10308021
2021-06-13 00:03:39	tinwhiskers	you can link to a library without invalidating your license though, right?
2021-06-13 00:03:45	wodencafe	"Licensed under the MIT License" "Copyright (c) 2021 freenode limited All Rights Reserved" \_(ツ)_/¯
2021-06-13 00:04:04	teepee	yes, that code is MIT, nothing wrong with that
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2021-06-13 00:04:05	Noisytoot	wodencafe, It's not a GPL violation (and #gnu on irc.libera.chat would be the correct place to ask questions about the GPL)
2021-06-13 00:04:14	pinkieval	tinwhiskers: "old freenode" was not a legal entity, so it's not clear to me if it applied.
2021-06-13 00:04:22	wodencafe	Noisytoot: I'll ask them, thanks.
2021-06-13 00:04:23	tinwhiskers	ok
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2021-06-13 00:05:23	lazzurs	Despite exiting the EU the GDPR provisions are still in UK law and apply to UK companies and their directors.
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2021-06-13 00:07:25	tinwhiskers	where does one file a GDPR complaint I wonder...
2021-06-13 00:07:46	tinwhiskers	not that I would suggest anyone do that :-/
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2021-06-13 00:10:26	Hash	NthDegree is one of the best TNG episodes!
2021-06-13 00:10:33	NthDegree	phew finally
2021-06-13 00:10:35	Hash	But too bad they never mentioned the Cytherians again
2021-06-13 00:10:48	NthDegree	I had to use a random iCloud because email wouldn't work lol
2021-06-13 00:11:00	Hash	Do you know what I'm talking about NthDegree
2021-06-13 00:11:13	NthDegree	Hash, star trek? lol
2021-06-13 00:11:33	Hash	yes :)
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2021-06-13 00:12:30	NthDegree	To be fair Picard was the best captain
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2021-06-13 00:12:57	tinwhiskers	them's fightin words
2021-06-13 00:13:05	Hash	I like Picard. Sure. Also Sisko is cool. Janeway is crazy and doesn't care about rules!
2021-06-13 00:13:33	Hash	I dunno I never saw/got into TOS, but capt pike was cool in the black/white episode pilot thingy
2021-06-13 00:13:44	Hash	And baccula is ... I can't take him seriously. :D
2021-06-13 00:13:44	audemenon	Janeway
2021-06-13 00:13:54	NthDegree	I guess I just like the actor, sort of
2021-06-13 00:14:00	NthDegree	he's cool as Professor X too
2021-06-13 00:14:32	Hash	He was in Dune too, Gurney Haleck
2021-06-13 00:15:00	Hash	Dune 1984
2021-06-13 00:15:56	NthDegree	and in some skit where he pretended to be gay (or is he actually gay, I dunno)
2021-06-13 00:16:10	Hash	He is
2021-06-13 00:16:14	Hash	It was on Fraiser TV show
2021-06-13 00:16:39	Hash	https://frasier.fandom.com/wiki/Alistair_Burke
2021-06-13 00:16:45	NthDegree	ah, not just masterful acting then
2021-06-13 00:17:19	noot	is it true that you are going to switch to inspircd
2021-06-13 00:17:33	NthDegree	if that is true, that's awesome
2021-06-13 00:17:34	noot	is this because you don't understand chary well enough to prevent people taking services nicknames
2021-06-13 00:17:57	NthDegree	InspIRCd > Charybdis by a long mile
2021-06-13 00:18:09	noot	will you be rewriting channel ban lists or are communities going to have to start fresh
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2021-06-13 00:18:17	pinkieval	Charybdis is dead anyway
2021-06-13 00:18:27	noot	i hear solanum is the bees tits
2021-06-13 00:18:46	Hash	You know who else was on Fraiser, Sir Derek Jacobi, same guy who was the father of the Corvinus virus in underwold movies
2021-06-13 00:18:57	noot	whos going to rewrite sigyn to be compatible with inspircd
2021-06-13 00:19:17	Hash	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43ilXxZz1RU
2021-06-13 00:19:17	pseudo	Derek Jacobi in Frasier - YouTube
2021-06-13 00:19:40	NthDegree	isn't half the reason Sigyn exists because of shortcomings with the old Charybdis anyway? >_>
2021-06-13 00:19:57	noot	no
2021-06-13 00:20:19	Hash	Sigyn's functionaity is not in the IRC RFCs
2021-06-13 00:20:29	noot	not talking about RFCs homie
2021-06-13 00:20:41	Hash	So you can't put it into the ircd. I mean you can, but it would be non standard
2021-06-13 00:20:43	noot	chary arguably has stuff insp doesn't have to better handle botfloods
2021-06-13 00:21:01	noot	it's how sigyn is able to give a pavement facial to a botflood in a channel she's not in
2021-06-13 00:21:58	noot	just when i think you've run out of ways to scare off the people that were used to freenode as it was
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2021-06-13 00:23:03	NthDegree	most of what insp does is outside the RFCs if we're being fair here
2021-06-13 00:23:08	noot	yeah
2021-06-13 00:23:16	noot	most oper tools end up outside RFCs
2021-06-13 00:23:22	noot	as well as modes, extbans
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2021-06-13 00:24:10	ptx0	and s2s
2021-06-13 00:24:27	noot	yeah
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2021-06-13 00:24:42	NthDegree	but cool things which can be done with Insp include haproxy load balancing support (without ruining security)
2021-06-13 00:24:50	noot	the RFCs didnt even really accurately describe the living state of the protocol when they were written
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2021-06-13 00:25:05	noot	NthDegree: that's not cool, that needs TLS termination and means you can't do certificate authentication
2021-06-13 00:25:05	Hash	I dunno what is insp
2021-06-13 00:25:10	noot	that's a whole load of wank
2021-06-13 00:25:37	noot	and as far as i know insp still doesn't have the ability to serialise user sessions to pass you between IRC nodes when one needs to die
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2021-06-13 00:26:08	noot	so you're just moving the single point of failure on to haproxy where a round robin would do a much better job
2021-06-13 00:26:09	NthDegree	I'm fairly sure it had an unofficial way to send clients to other servers
2021-06-13 00:26:20	NthDegree	but my use of it was a looong time ago
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2021-06-13 00:27:54	NthDegree	v4 was an alpha when I last used it lol
2021-06-13 00:28:25	NthDegree	Hash, InspIRCd is an IRC server that's very feature-rich and with a clean modular design
2021-06-13 00:28:35	Hash	Oh I see
2021-06-13 00:28:39	swordsmanz	freenode only needs one server
2021-06-13 00:28:41	Hash	Thanks for clarifying
2021-06-13 00:28:48	NthDegree	it's a good choice but it's very different to what they use now
2021-06-13 00:28:53	swordsmanz	prehaps 5 servers max for one per contenent
2021-06-13 00:29:10	swordsmanz	thre is no objectice reason why an irc network needs like 50 different servers
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2021-06-13 00:29:39	Hash	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUWSAYKE_v0 Sir Patrick Stew in Dune 1984
2021-06-13 00:29:40	pseudo	Dune - Fighting / Reunion with Gurney - YouTube
2021-06-13 00:29:47	Hash	This is a few years before TNG
2021-06-13 00:30:42	NthDegree	Moa'dib Moa'dib :D
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2021-06-13 00:31:02	noot	freenode will definitely be able to run on 1 server if it keeps hemorrhaging users
2021-06-13 00:31:17	Hash	yup. Kyle McLaughgin is a good actor. He was recently in Agents of Sheild, played that girls' add in first 2 seasons
2021-06-13 00:31:25	Hash	dad*
2021-06-13 00:32:30	NthDegree	noot, to be fair, I question how much bandwidth IRC networks really use compared to modern networking
2021-06-13 00:33:09	noot	not a lot at normal times
2021-06-13 00:33:17	Hash	Very little.
2021-06-13 00:33:34	noot	it's more a ram problem usually
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2021-06-13 00:33:59	epony	join 120 channels and log with verbosity the network / raw log
2021-06-13 00:33:59	noot	each user needs a defined read/write buffer and those can get demanding
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2021-06-13 00:34:34	NthDegree	30,000 users sending 2048bytes is ~500Mb
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2021-06-13 00:34:59	NthDegree	and almost all IRCds are incredibly RAM efficient
2021-06-13 00:35:03	noot	you want send buffers at least to be much bigger than that
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2021-06-13 00:35:24	noot	you can easy soak up 2048 bytes just running a WHO on a smallish channel
2021-06-13 00:35:43	noot	there was a channel on freenode, #zcoinproject, that got big enough to disconnect people that joined it
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2021-06-13 00:36:16	noot	i don't have freenode's client class sendq/recvq sizes to hand but they're reasonably considerable
2021-06-13 00:36:58	noot	the strains of IRC come in distinct bursts for a variety of reasons - the worst of all being a server connecting on to the network having to burst user lists, ban lists, etc
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2021-06-13 00:39:10	audemenon	What
2021-06-13 00:39:12	NthDegree	errr
2021-06-13 00:39:13	 *	oxek raises eyebrow
2021-06-13 00:39:20	NthDegree	that was getting educational =]
2021-06-13 00:39:25	Hash	I was waiting
2021-06-13 00:39:39	Hash	It was bound to happen. I'd ignored noor/noot person a while back.
2021-06-13 00:39:44	Hash	Unpleasant.
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2021-06-13 00:40:31	Trista	not very sexy mr punches
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2021-06-13 00:41:29	NthDegree	noot_noot, is that meant to be the no way sound? lol
2021-06-13 00:41:38	noot_noot	it's a pingu thing
2021-06-13 00:41:46	noot_noot	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0nCC0sPSes
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2021-06-13 00:41:47	pseudo	Pingu Noot Noot Complete - YouTube
2021-06-13 00:42:05	ptx0	ban evasion is annoying
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2021-06-13 00:43:47	NthDegree	well let's talk something else then
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2021-06-13 00:44:07	Hash	Hollandaise sauce vs. mayo
2021-06-13 00:44:10	Hash	pick one, fast!
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2021-06-13 00:44:11	NthDegree	anyone know of any decent let's players with good commentary?
2021-06-13 00:44:17	PsyanideRabbit	MUSTARD!
2021-06-13 00:44:23	Hash	Oh nasty!
2021-06-13 00:44:26	 *	NthDegree doesn't know what hollandaise sauce is
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2021-06-13 00:44:53	Hash	NthDegree: it's made from egg yolks only.
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2021-06-13 00:45:08	@Foxy	depends on what you are making with it
2021-06-13 00:45:17	Hash	I mean not whites.
2021-06-13 00:45:21	Hash	But yellow part
2021-06-13 00:45:25	Hash	and other stuff
2021-06-13 00:45:26	@Foxy	no what kind of sandwich?
2021-06-13 00:45:34	Hash	benedict?
2021-06-13 00:45:51	@Foxy	benedict will taste better with hollandaise
2021-06-13 00:45:57	Hash	*nod*
2021-06-13 00:46:01	PsyanideRabbit	cumberpatch?
2021-06-13 00:46:12	Hash	Benedict Cucumberpatch!
2021-06-13 00:46:26	 *	PsyanideRabbit now I want a cucumber :/
2021-06-13 00:46:33	@Foxy	mustard with bolognia sandwich :P
2021-06-13 00:46:34	Hash	Also the name of a famous treason guy
2021-06-13 00:46:37	Hash	Traiter
2021-06-13 00:46:41	wodencafe	Cucumbers are gross. And they scare cats.
2021-06-13 00:46:42	Hash	I can't spell
2021-06-13 00:46:47	Hash	What?!
2021-06-13 00:46:57	@Foxy	cucumbers are better when pickled
2021-06-13 00:47:04	Hash	peeled slice cucumber with salt and cayenne pepper
2021-06-13 00:47:05	Hash	nom nom
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2021-06-13 00:47:09	PsyanideRabbit	cucumbers are just ugly pickles
2021-06-13 00:47:20	@Foxy	cucumbers are also good for puffy eyes
2021-06-13 00:47:31	wodencafe	Foxy: I can agree re: pickles.
2021-06-13 00:47:35	t	evening.
2021-06-13 00:47:39	Hash	Yes very
2021-06-13 00:47:40	@Foxy	hello t
2021-06-13 00:47:48	wodencafe	Hello t.
2021-06-13 00:47:53	Hash	Cucumber on Niles Crane's eyes in the spa episode
2021-06-13 00:47:54	Hash	Haha
2021-06-13 00:48:05	Hash	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CNmrUMS5FQ
2021-06-13 00:48:06	pseudo	Frasier - Frasier and Niles and the Platinum Door - YouTube
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2021-06-13 00:48:39	t	would one of your kind new staff be cool with sending me a bundle of all the data you still handle on me? I could send a formal data access request but I don't want to be a dick about it.
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2021-06-13 00:49:57	@Foxy	i passed along that message for you
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2021-06-13 00:53:02	Hash	Benedict Arnodl!
2021-06-13 00:53:09	Hash	the traitor guy I remember now.
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2021-06-13 00:59:28	wodencafe	Hash: The tratior to the US during the American Revolution?
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2021-06-13 01:00:50	Hash	Yes
2021-06-13 01:01:06	Hash	And Linux's guys' middle name is also Benedict I think
2021-06-13 01:01:12	Hash	Linus Benedict Torvald
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2021-06-13 01:03:23	oxek	there's no tradition of having legal middle names in finland
2021-06-13 01:04:45	ketas	i just have two first, separated by dash due space not being allowed :(
2021-06-13 01:04:50	ketas	:)
2021-06-13 01:05:06	ketas	sometimes i get invalid name errors
2021-06-13 01:05:12	LjL	wut
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2021-06-13 01:05:28	LjL	first names with a hyphen (or is it dash?) are common, like in France
2021-06-13 01:05:34	LjL	pretty big fail to fail to support them
2021-06-13 01:05:54	xse	Hey sweethearts, did i miss any official words about the double-edged sword situation where fsf & gnu are not violently kicked like any other channels were topics are in violation of the new king's policy ?
2021-06-13 01:06:51	ketas	LjL: it's rare now but still exists even in new code
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2021-06-13 01:09:18	oxek	xse: official word is that those channels are not breaking any policies because they are not preventing discussions in those channels, nor are spamming/forcing users to move
2021-06-13 01:09:43	ketas	it's as if name is /^[a-z]$/i
2021-06-13 01:09:51	ketas	+
2021-06-13 01:09:57	rbraun	oxek: python wasn't either
2021-06-13 01:10:14	ketas	selective policy eh
2021-06-13 01:10:14	oxek	rbraun: every other message in #python was "We moved to X"
2021-06-13 01:10:26	rbraun	oxek: do you have a log of this?
2021-06-13 01:10:32	oxek	I don't keep logs
2021-06-13 01:10:35	xse	oxek: what do you mean a fuckton of channels that were doing the same exact thing where deemed in violation of that exact same policy
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2021-06-13 01:10:50	xse	were*
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2021-06-13 01:11:29	oxek	xse: I can only talk about channels I know about
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2021-06-13 01:11:49	ketas	that policy is going to scare even more people away
2021-06-13 01:11:49	rbraun	oxek: were you actually in there
2021-06-13 01:12:01	rbraun	xse: yep
2021-06-13 01:12:04	xse	i mean the situation you describe is like a really small minority
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2021-06-13 01:12:28	xse	most channels were deemed in violation just due to their topic
2021-06-13 01:12:35	oxek	rbraun: yeah
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2021-06-13 01:12:38	Joanna	The offtopic toxic chatter in this support channel would scare people away
2021-06-13 01:13:03	rbraun	no it wouldn't, Joanna
2021-06-13 01:13:17	rbraun	some of the flamewarring might but
2021-06-13 01:14:23	rbraun	anyway if the ops would rather have such complaints in private or somewhere else that's kinda okay but they need to say where and how they are willing to hear feedback, even if it's one-way
2021-06-13 01:14:30	rbraun	#f-p-f was closed
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2021-06-13 01:14:40	rbraun	this channel was moderated, but that also scared people away
2021-06-13 01:14:44	rbraun	what's the solution?
2021-06-13 01:14:48	Joanna	If I owned this server I wouldn’t allow off topic chatter in the support channel
2021-06-13 01:15:23	rbraun	then say where it should go or provide a feedback mechanism that is responsive
2021-06-13 01:15:23	ansgar	Joanna: Isn't #help the support channel?
2021-06-13 01:15:30	Hash	This is not a support channel.
2021-06-13 01:15:34	Hash	Please /topic
2021-06-13 01:15:37	NthDegree	yes, #help is the support channel
2021-06-13 01:15:47	oxek	I too would be stricter, though perhaps allowing for some sensible somewhat related discussions as long as they don't prevent people from actually getting the support they seek
2021-06-13 01:15:47	malign	Joanna: good to hear you are not the shot caller.
2021-06-13 01:15:50	NthDegree	and I have some feedback... make #help open to unregistered folks lol
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2021-06-13 01:16:01	Joanna	Before the divorce drama this channel had both ops and people who weren’t trolls to help with questions
2021-06-13 01:16:14	NthDegree	I almost couldn't use this place because I couldn't get a registration email sent to me at first to my real email and had to make an icloud alias
2021-06-13 01:16:18	Hash	Joanna: what do you need help with
2021-06-13 01:16:22	rbraun	Joanna: ah yes, i bet there is somewhere like that now. what's it called? can i even say the name of that network?
2021-06-13 01:16:26	Joanna	Anyhow I’m not paid to talk here so  I’m not going to argue with paid trolls
2021-06-13 01:17:13	oxek	who's a paid troll and how do I get paid to do that?
2021-06-13 01:17:35	malign	You're a riot, Joanna.
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2021-06-13 01:18:25	ansgar	oxek: Usually one has to contact George Soros or so for payment.
2021-06-13 01:18:25	Joanna	By the way there is a #freenode-offtopic channel but nobody goes there because they want to sabotage this support channel
2021-06-13 01:18:32	malign	Paying trolls is like setting bills on fire.
2021-06-13 01:18:35	Joanna	##freenode-offtopic
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2021-06-13 01:19:29	NthDegree	Joanna, try ##defocus
2021-06-13 01:19:37	NthDegree	that's the name of the offtopic channel from back in the day
2021-06-13 01:20:04	NthDegree	that's why folks aren't in -offtopic because it got renamed several years back
2021-06-13 01:20:24	oxek	it was -social
2021-06-13 01:20:38	LjL	and also it was #defocus, it had official cloaks
2021-06-13 01:21:08	NthDegree	orly? maybe my memory is shoddy or I'm just too used to seeing with with ##
2021-06-13 01:21:13	Joanna	Anyone who keeps talking here off topic when they know there is an off topic channel for socializing is here to sabotage this channel.
2021-06-13 01:21:14	malign	Quite the accusation to say this place is being deliberately sabotaged.
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2021-06-13 01:21:36	Hash	If the ops had an isuse with chat here, they'd let us know.
2021-06-13 01:21:41	malign	Indeed.
2021-06-13 01:21:45	NthDegree	Joanna, this place became a non-support main channel
2021-06-13 01:21:53	Waggie	Joanna: Some of us are upset and looking for support, but got treated like trolls..
2021-06-13 01:21:54	NthDegree	#help is where you go for help now
2021-06-13 01:22:09	LjL	NthDegree, to be fair i think it has been both. but at one point it was #defocus and had defocus cloaks. guess sort of similar to "community channels" now elsewhere :P
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2021-06-13 01:22:19	Hash	I'm always looking for a nice place with pleasant folks.
2021-06-13 01:22:25	Hash	*shrug*
2021-06-13 01:22:27	Waggie	I'm not trying to be an ass, just pointing out that it's not quite as black and white as some people think.
2021-06-13 01:22:28	malign	Ragequit? :P
2021-06-13 01:22:29	oxek	Waggie: what's your support question?
2021-06-13 01:22:34	@kisser	Waggie we are always ready for supporting
2021-06-13 01:22:36	Waggie	oxek: I'm working with bagira on it.
2021-06-13 01:22:39	rbraun	Waggie: precisely
2021-06-13 01:23:17	Hash	I drank 3 full glasses of OJ. I'm full.
2021-06-13 01:23:30	oxek	Hash: brush your teeth
2021-06-13 01:23:36	Hash	I had a tremenous thirst on.
2021-06-13 01:23:40	Hash	Parched.
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2021-06-13 01:24:07	Hash	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFNCmt8mYQU this is a great video
2021-06-13 01:24:07	pseudo	50 More Niles Crane Burns - YouTube
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2021-06-13 01:24:27	Waggie	Very well, if staffers are up for answering a question directly... What will it take, from a Freenode staffer perspective, to revert all the changes made by the freenodecom bot in the WM namespace. No one has answered my question about audit logs for that bot or the changes it made.
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2021-06-13 01:25:01	@kisser	nothing changed till this moment.
2021-06-13 01:25:06	Waggie	I'm just asking what it will take, that's all.
2021-06-13 01:25:19	@kisser	we are still opearting as we where
2021-06-13 01:25:23	Waggie	I'm sorry?
2021-06-13 01:25:39	@kisser	policies never changed
2021-06-13 01:25:53	Waggie	That bot ... took control ... of a fair number of our channels without any discussion with us or any notice.
2021-06-13 01:26:13	Waggie	We've managed to negotiate control of some of them back.
2021-06-13 01:26:14	@phanes	Hi Waggie.  I am the person handling that with your projects.  Reach out via PM for further discussion.
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2021-06-13 01:26:37	@kisser	its simple break freenode policies and you can lost your project
2021-06-13 01:26:47	@kisser	loose*
2021-06-13 01:26:54	essiambre	lose*
2021-06-13 01:26:57	NthDegree	kisser, erm... that's Wikipedia
2021-06-13 01:27:15	LjL	NthDegree, so? it's simple
2021-06-13 01:27:26	xse	apparently it keeps happening i've heard python had it's channel ruined recently, strangely fsf & gnu are allowed to have their topic in violation of the policy :)
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2021-06-13 01:27:49	oxek	xse: are you looking to cause problems for channels?
2021-06-13 01:28:09	NthDegree	now I don't mean to judge the neutrality of Wikipedians but I doubt it's a good idea to hand out generic answers if they're being disrupted lol
2021-06-13 01:28:15	@kisser	I dont look in names or projects the are all under the same policies
2021-06-13 01:28:28	@kisser	if they have 1 member or ~ members
2021-06-13 01:28:39	ptx0	Waggie sux
2021-06-13 01:28:50	@kisser	rules are rules to anyone anywhere on freenode
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2021-06-13 01:28:58	xse	oxek: don't get me wrong, i wish for them to be able to keep having that topic, but if they're allowed to i cannot comprehend that others channel doing the same thing are punished for it, the double-edged sword is awful
2021-06-13 01:29:11	oxek	xse: you've been given the reason for that
2021-06-13 01:29:24	malign	Rules and policies can remain unchanged. How they are enforced depends on who does the actual enforcing.
2021-06-13 01:29:34	essiambre	Kisser, does this mean that FN staff dictates channel policy for all channels on the net?
2021-06-13 01:30:13	@kisser	essiambre yes
2021-06-13 01:30:15	bjs	essiambre: that's always been true,  the channels can add to the policies they can't take them away
2021-06-13 01:30:44	@kisser	any breaking in policies seen by members can be reported to staff anytime
2021-06-13 01:30:48	xse	i've been given a reason by a random user no being an OP, a reason that don't make any sense given that of the ~30 channels i was in that were all ruined, none of them were doing the things you mention, most of em just were mentioning it in their topic
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2021-06-13 01:31:03	@kisser	that's spamming i guess.
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2021-06-13 01:31:25	ptx0	this isn't rocket surgery
2021-06-13 01:31:27	@kisser	ok lets open policies and read
2021-06-13 01:31:44	@kisser	please open https://freenode.net/policies
2021-06-13 01:31:52	@kisser	count 3 lines
2021-06-13 01:31:58	@kisser	ops 4 lines
2021-06-13 01:32:01	LjL	yes, the policy that changed a number of times in the past days
2021-06-13 01:32:02	@kisser	and here we go
2021-06-13 01:32:05	ansgar	kisser: That looks like it changed recently, but you said " policies never changed".
2021-06-13 01:32:11	@kisser	No spamming or scamming
2021-06-13 01:32:27	Hash	What is considered spam?
2021-06-13 01:32:28	NthDegree	kisser, erm... that policy says not to not spam
2021-06-13 01:32:31	essiambre	Mentioning other networks is neither spamming nor scamming.
2021-06-13 01:32:33	NthDegree	as in to spam
2021-06-13 01:32:34	@kisser	well its spamming
2021-06-13 01:32:41	NthDegree	it's a double negative
2021-06-13 01:32:41	ansgar	kisser: It says "You agree *not* to *no* spamming".  Double negation -> people *must* spam.
2021-06-13 01:32:42	@kisser	spamming other networks
2021-06-13 01:32:46	Hash	Seems that if it is left undefined, it is arbitrarily enforced by whoemver feel whatever to be spam
2021-06-13 01:32:48	Hash	That's dangerous
2021-06-13 01:33:00	Hash	I think clearly defining what constitutes spam would be best.
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2021-06-13 01:33:23	@kisser	i guess the lesson is over for today
2021-06-13 01:33:25	oxek	most people in this channel are in breach of policies anyway "Citizens of EU countries and the United Kingdom must be at least 16 years old to sign up."
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2021-06-13 01:33:51	Hash	A list of things that fall under the 'spamming' behavior and if those are violated, kline
2021-06-13 01:34:03	Hash	Also, put in, spam behavior list can be updated also
2021-06-13 01:34:05	NthDegree	also regarding policy changes
2021-06-13 01:34:06	NthDegree	http://web.archive.org/web/20210513234811/https://freenode.net/policies
2021-06-13 01:34:09	Waggie	It is felt that some of the statements I have made above were misinformation. I have no intention to spread misinformation. If it has been perceived as such, I apologize.
2021-06-13 01:34:12	NthDegree	that's a few days ago
2021-06-13 01:34:17	NthDegree	it's an entirely different document
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2021-06-13 01:35:04	Hash	Also
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2021-06-13 01:35:27	ansgar	NthDegree: Corporate need you to find the differences between these polices and these policies :P
2021-06-13 01:35:32	Hash	No illegal pornographic material <- Does this mean dalnet and undernet like porn channels can exist on freenode in the topical space? legal porn?
2021-06-13 01:35:44	Hash	Perhaps it should say just 'porn'
2021-06-13 01:35:53	Hash	What place does porn have on a tech/science network
2021-06-13 01:36:19	NthDegree	Hash, to be fair, spanking is illegal porn in the UK so it might as well be all porn lol
2021-06-13 01:36:23	Hash	Just a few suggestions.
2021-06-13 01:36:33	essiambre	It isn't a tech/science network anymore. It's just IRC.
2021-06-13 01:36:43	Hash	It is if you want it to be, man.
2021-06-13 01:36:49	Hash	World is what you make it.
2021-06-13 01:36:52	Hash	Make it good.
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2021-06-13 01:37:11	NthDegree	ansgar, for a second I thought you were serious... I was about to use diff on the text >_>
2021-06-13 01:38:20	Hash	freenode staff may disconnect clients for any reason <- should be changed to for violation of policy. Any reason is very broad and could be abused or looked at as abuse.
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2021-06-13 01:38:58	Hash	\o/
2021-06-13 01:39:10	Hash	Rest is great!
2021-06-13 01:39:21	ansgar	NthDegree: I'm morally required to direct you to your least trusted internet search engine to inform youself about the appropriate meme.
2021-06-13 01:39:44	malign	Hash: that's fairly universal irc network boilerplate text.
2021-06-13 01:39:45	Hash	Data colletion policy seems okay
2021-06-13 01:39:51	Hash	I don't notice anything objectionable.
2021-06-13 01:40:47	malign	Some people seem to be losing it over GDPR.
2021-06-13 01:41:59	Hash	I mean, other than my vps IP, and a sharklasers anonymous email I gave liek a decade ago, what do they have on me?
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2021-06-13 01:42:15	Hash	a psycheelic channel, a stoner channel, and me? That's all. No big deal.
2021-06-13 01:42:23	Hash	I can't comment on other people's data.
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2021-06-13 01:42:46	Hash	freenode retains data for the purpose of debugging and restoration for a maximum of 60 days. This means that any data freenode holds, will be purged 60 days after the date at which you last connected to the freenode network or deleted your freenode account.
2021-06-13 01:42:51	Hash	That's interesting.
2021-06-13 01:43:05	Hash	60 days past and if you don't connect, your data is gone?
2021-06-13 01:43:09	Hash	That also sound reasonable.
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2021-06-13 01:44:03	bin_bash	kisser: the terms are saying i agree not to no spam which means i agree to spam
2021-06-13 01:44:20	Hash	We retain login activity for a period of thirty (30) days after which the data is purged from our system.
2021-06-13 01:44:25	Hash	Seems reasonable.
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2021-06-13 01:44:50	Hash	And other policy compliances
2021-06-13 01:45:36	Hash	Apart from a few things I mentioned, it seems okay.
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2021-06-13 01:48:15	NthDegree	Can't it just be a one-liner like "Be excellent to each other" or something?
2021-06-13 01:48:25	NthDegree	We all know that freenode is being rebuilt from the ground up
2021-06-13 01:48:27	Hash	Not everone's seen Bill and Ted
2021-06-13 01:48:30	Hash	\o/
2021-06-13 01:48:34	Hash	We're old.
2021-06-13 01:48:35	Hash	Apparently.
2021-06-13 01:48:40	malign	lulz
2021-06-13 01:48:56	Hash	I mean he's gotta be
2021-06-13 01:49:04	Hash	Look at his nickname, the best TNG episode.
2021-06-13 01:49:06	NthDegree	I'm 31
2021-06-13 01:49:06	Hash	:D
2021-06-13 01:49:25	Hash	I wonder if Cytherians were ever mentioned again in any star trek serial
2021-06-13 01:49:27	NthDegree	I've got 4 years until I'm middle aged lol
2021-06-13 01:49:27	Hash	or books
2021-06-13 01:49:36	Hash	https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Cytherian
2021-06-13 01:50:06	Hash	The Cytherians return in the Pocket TNG novel Takedown
2021-06-13 01:50:16	Hash	They did! I gotta read this now.
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2021-06-13 01:54:25	oxek	NthDegree: I don't want to be excellent to others though, that's asking too much of me, I'm doing my best ok?
2021-06-13 01:55:39	NthDegree	fine then "Be kind to each other"
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2021-06-13 01:56:46	@phanes	Golden rule applies in 2021.  It's a good rule.
2021-06-13 01:57:44	malign	Effort required?! No way. That's an abusive and excessive demand! xD
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2021-06-13 01:58:09	malign	:o
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2021-06-13 01:59:36	rbraun	why was Waggie k-lined?
2021-06-13 02:02:00	vvande	maybe part of the latest mass extinction event on Freenode?
2021-06-13 02:02:31	rbraun	sure seems like it
2021-06-13 02:02:36	vvande	the one the other day was a fatfinger event, and it got fixed though
2021-06-13 02:02:44	@root	i dont think it was a fatfinger event.
2021-06-13 02:02:50	vvande	oh?
2021-06-13 02:02:57	@root	nope.
2021-06-13 02:03:09	vvande	I'm just assuming. I honestly don't know.
2021-06-13 02:03:17	bjs	root: well what was it then?
2021-06-13 02:03:18	malign	Dog with a bone who won't let something go eh?
2021-06-13 02:03:24	ptx0	waggie was here stirrin shit up
2021-06-13 02:03:59	@kisser	ok lets start
2021-06-13 02:04:01	@kisser	vvande or rbraun?
2021-06-13 02:04:21	vvande	shit up?
2021-06-13 02:04:23	@kisser	it just confusing
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2021-06-13 02:13:41	vaio	from 53k to 48k
2021-06-13 02:13:56	vaio	wrong chan, sorry.
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2021-06-13 02:15:55	Hash	88 bloody F outside. 6pm. Still inside. What a tough saturday. I wanted to go out. Blah.
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2021-06-13 02:16:48	Hash	130 degrees Fahrenheit max temp ever recorded in Death Valley 2020 last summer
2021-06-13 02:16:53	Hash	Good googa mooga
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2021-06-13 02:17:16	Hash	The current official highest registered air temperature on Earth is 56.7 °C (134.1 °F), recorded on 10 July 1913 at Furnace Creek Ranch, in Death Valley in the United States.
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2021-06-13 02:17:50	NthDegree	vaio, that's a lot of cash still tho ;p
2021-06-13 02:18:15	oxek	another BTC "crash"?
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2021-06-13 02:18:30	malign	Fitting name. Furnace Creek Ranch.
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2021-06-13 02:19:03	Hash	The name is fitting probably because of the ridiculous heat.
2021-06-13 02:19:13	Hash	Like Tornado Alley
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2021-06-13 02:23:49	NthDegree	Time for bed methinks, I'll catch you in the morning
2021-06-13 02:24:46	Hash	nite
2021-06-13 02:25:18	NthDegree	night Hash ^.^
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2021-06-13 02:39:14	malign	K-lines, k-lines everywhere. :o
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2021-06-13 02:40:14	Hash	I recognize a lot of the klined people's nicks, and I don't have fond memories of them over the past 18 years I've been on.
2021-06-13 02:40:33	Hash	\o/
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2021-06-13 02:41:13	Hash	For example, yano, the guy who ran #science channels was ... let's say not a very pleasant man. Unsre what he did to deserve a kline, but I can imagine
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2021-06-13 02:41:29	Hash	Others I recognize.
2021-06-13 02:41:35	nolsen	I remember yano
2021-06-13 02:42:03	Hash	Let's just I'm being very generous with my ... review of yano. Very.
2021-06-13 02:42:26	pinkieval	Why don't these klines have a reason/message?
2021-06-13 02:42:58	Hash	As much as I remember those people and their attitudes, I can kind of see them being klined.
2021-06-13 02:43:10	nolsen	None of these people have valid kline reasons
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2021-06-13 02:43:19	Hash	Then again even this is considered backbiting. I'm going to shut up
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2021-06-13 02:43:46	wodencafe	pinkieval: Remember, all of IRCCloud accidentally got K-Lined 2 days ago, so any of them could be misfires.
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2021-06-13 02:48:08	@root	Making Freenode Great Again #MFGA
2021-06-13 02:48:11	@tjr	#MFGA
2021-06-13 02:48:16	@phanes	#MFGA
2021-06-13 02:48:48	oxek	#MFGA
2021-06-13 02:50:10	KindOne	Party at #MFGA ?
2021-06-13 02:50:16	oxek	already there
2021-06-13 02:50:38	Hash	No you got it wrong folks!
2021-06-13 02:50:40	@phanes	wodencafe, they are not misfires
2021-06-13 02:50:44	Hash	Make Hash stoned again1
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2021-06-13 02:51:45	oxek	Hash: come to a certain part of the world, and I'm sure we can arrange it
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2021-06-13 02:52:03	Hash	Oh I'm in Colorado man.
2021-06-13 02:52:05	Hash	Best weeds in the world.
2021-06-13 02:52:22	Hash	All 100% legal. $10 wax/shatter grams out the door. I'm golden.
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2021-06-13 02:53:34	Hash	We were first city in USA, Denver, to decriminalize psilocybe mushrooms too
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2021-06-13 02:53:48	Hash	Very well run gov here, state.
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2021-06-13 02:54:02	Hash	Lots of free money for the pandemic people
2021-06-13 02:54:20	Hash	Lots of development, money for schools, money for raods and everything. Billions of weed money
2021-06-13 02:54:27	Hash	Millions?
2021-06-13 02:54:28	Hash	I dunno.
2021-06-13 02:54:31	Hash	But a lot of money
2021-06-13 02:55:25	Hash	Colorado's total marijuana sales surpassed $2 billion in 2020. the state reaped $32,383,094 in revenue from taxes and fees.
2021-06-13 02:56:18	Hash	https://cdor.colorado.gov/data-and-reports/marijuana-data/marijuana-sales-reports
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2021-06-13 03:17:55	^peter^	For any operator interested, channel ##ubuntu has a nick HellDer who has joined and left the channel 10 times a minute for at least the last four hours.  It is a bit annoying and seems to be just an idiot involved.
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2021-06-13 03:18:57	@phanes	^peter^, reach out to the channel operator
2021-06-13 03:18:59	oxek	^peter^: do you have chanops in there?
2021-06-13 03:19:18	oxek	redirecting that user to ##fix_your_connection would be the typical way of dealing with it
2021-06-13 03:20:06	oxek	you can also likely disable join/part messages in your client
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2021-06-13 03:24:33	^peter^	oxek   No I am not a channel operator, and none show up as such at the moment, but sorcerer dropped in and arrested the spam.   Thanks
2021-06-13 03:25:09	oxek	another happy customer
2021-06-13 03:25:14	oxek	#MFGA
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2021-06-13 03:31:53	netrixtardis	so, Phanes is still power tripping Klining people?
2021-06-13 03:32:02	netrixtardis	fuck Phane.
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2021-06-13 04:07:34	marshfish	well you sure have killed freenode.
2021-06-13 04:07:47	marshfish	whats next? baseball?
2021-06-13 04:08:07	Hash	*sigh* You know what's killing freenode?
2021-06-13 04:08:14	Hash	What you're doing.
2021-06-13 04:08:16	Hash	:/
2021-06-13 04:08:30	Hash	You like Star Trek?
2021-06-13 04:08:37	marshfish	how?
2021-06-13 04:09:26	marshfish	I have been here 15 years. contributed to projects, channels. events.
2021-06-13 04:09:35	Hash	Just imagine, hundreds of people coming and griping constantly, oh, you're killing freenode, you're doing ths, you're doing that.
2021-06-13 04:09:47	Hash	Imagine how exhausting that can get.
2021-06-13 04:09:54	marshfish	And why might we do that.
2021-06-13 04:10:03	voltage_	who cares dude
2021-06-13 04:10:08	Hash	Doesn't matter. Figure out how to make things better.
2021-06-13 04:10:10	wolfy1339	they did nuke practically everything from the olden days
2021-06-13 04:10:12	marshfish	Maybe because something we love was killed
2021-06-13 04:11:22	marshfish	I would love to hash
2021-06-13 04:11:32	marshfish	let me and I will
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2021-06-13 04:11:37	Hash	Thank you
2021-06-13 04:11:45	Hash	Put your energy toward doing something good
2021-06-13 04:11:56	voltage_	no you
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2021-06-13 04:12:14	marshfish	lee said he wanted the community in charge
2021-06-13 04:12:28	marshfish	then he made the community leave.
2021-06-13 04:12:33	marshfish	so wtf?
2021-06-13 04:12:41	Hash	So take charge. Lead by example. Help people. Make a nice positive happy loving env.
2021-06-13 04:13:01	marshfish	I will if lee and "staff" allow it
2021-06-13 04:13:23	marshfish	right now? I feel like I have been shit on. betrayed
2021-06-13 04:13:31	Hash	I don't feel like it.
2021-06-13 04:13:38	Hash	I don't feel like that with libre
2021-06-13 04:13:45	Hash	or whatever
2021-06-13 04:13:51	Hash	who cares man. Just be chil.
2021-06-13 04:13:53	marshfish	by some ass who claims he cares about my opinion but never asks it
2021-06-13 04:14:05	Hash	Depends on how you give said opinion maybe?
2021-06-13 04:14:20	Hash	Articulate, do it in a manner that it would have the most mind changing effect.
2021-06-13 04:14:23	Hash	Learn persasion
2021-06-13 04:14:30	Hash	persuasion*
2021-06-13 04:14:49	marshfish	old staff listened
2021-06-13 04:15:11	Hash	People listen when you have something worthwhile to say.
2021-06-13 04:15:14	Hash	People naturally listen.
2021-06-13 04:15:17	Hash	Helplessly listen.
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2021-06-13 04:21:45	marshfish	sure hash. sure
2021-06-13 04:22:23	marshfish	freenode is dead. may irc survive.
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2021-06-13 04:40:17	Hash	marshfish: then the worms will have their feast!
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2021-06-13 04:40:23	Hash	\o/
2021-06-13 04:40:53	Hash	I'm going to make Chapli Kebab tonight, with rice and yogurt.
2021-06-13 04:41:09	SymbioticFemale	that sounds interesting
2021-06-13 04:41:48	Hash	Traditional food from India. Minced meat patty, deep fried in animal fat, nom nom, perfectly spiced, with yogurt chatni
2021-06-13 04:42:16	Hash	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapli_kebab
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2021-06-13 04:43:35	Z4CHe	good evening everyone.
2021-06-13 04:43:52	SymbioticFemale	sup
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2021-06-13 04:43:55	Hash	o/
2021-06-13 04:44:38	bin_bash	Hash: what kind of meat
2021-06-13 04:44:52	Hash	cow/bison
2021-06-13 04:44:55	Hash	pasture raised
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2021-06-13 04:45:03	Hash	locally raised
2021-06-13 04:45:03	SymbioticFemale	sounds glorious
2021-06-13 04:45:11	Hash	you gotta mix at least 2
2021-06-13 04:45:18	SymbioticFemale	oh?
2021-06-13 04:45:20	Hash	Bison is good, 80/20 fat
2021-06-13 04:45:24	Hash	mmm
2021-06-13 04:45:34	Hash	Elk too
2021-06-13 04:45:35	@v8	Bison? What does this taste like?
2021-06-13 04:45:48	Hash	Stronger beef taste
2021-06-13 04:45:51	Hash	Very flavorful
2021-06-13 04:45:55	@v8	Oh like Angus?
2021-06-13 04:46:03	Hash	Not really
2021-06-13 04:46:09	Hash	I can't describe it
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2021-06-13 04:46:29	Hash	it's clean.
2021-06-13 04:46:37	Hash	if that describes a taste
2021-06-13 04:46:42	SymbioticFemale	you are poor at describing tastes
2021-06-13 04:46:46	Hash	:(
2021-06-13 04:46:50	Hash	I am hehe
2021-06-13 04:47:05	Hash	It doesn't taste like hunted/gamed meat.
2021-06-13 04:47:12	Hash	It's juicier/sweeter
2021-06-13 04:47:16	Hash	Fattier.
2021-06-13 04:48:59	Xavierdarkness	Bison tastes like a leaner cut of beef in my experience and it feels lighter on the stomach than beef.
2021-06-13 04:49:54	Hash	Well if you get cuts of it, yes, very lean
2021-06-13 04:50:16	Hash	Minced/ground you can get diff concentrations. I like extra fat. 20% is highest.
2021-06-13 04:50:22	Hash	93% is leanest
2021-06-13 04:50:32	Hash	that' just 7% fat
2021-06-13 04:50:58	Hash	I've never seen more than 93/7
2021-06-13 04:51:06	Hash	100% lean? I'm sure they have it somewhere
2021-06-13 04:51:49	not_uplime	why was phy1729 klined?
2021-06-13 04:54:03	not_uplime	how was phy1729 klined?
2021-06-13 04:54:08	not_uplime	when was phy1729 klined?
2021-06-13 04:54:12	not_uplime	where was phy1729 klined?
2021-06-13 04:54:18	not_uplime	what was phy1729 klined?
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2021-06-13 04:54:26	@taw	can you stop flooding?
2021-06-13 04:54:30	Xavierdarkness	I prefer bison to beef tbh
2021-06-13 04:54:32	not_uplime	what is flooding?
2021-06-13 04:54:37	not_uplime	when is flooding?
2021-06-13 04:54:41	not_uplime	where is flooding?
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2021-06-13 05:00:06	SymbioticFemale	wait, phy1729 is still klined?
2021-06-13 05:00:07	essiambre	Heh. Freenode now has 11 listable channels of size > 500.
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2021-06-13 05:00:38	Hash	SymbioticFemale: how's opsec going?
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2021-06-13 05:00:55	SymbioticFemale	golden
2021-06-13 05:00:55	uplime	taw: that does not answer my quesiton
2021-06-13 05:01:06	uplime	taw: can i speak to your manager
2021-06-13 05:01:07	SymbioticFemale	uplime: ya there is no response yet
2021-06-13 05:01:20	uplime	SymbioticFemale: when is flooding is the one i care most about
2021-06-13 05:01:21	@taw	uplime: giving you a nice time off.
2021-06-13 05:01:41	uplime	taw: ty
2021-06-13 05:01:44	SymbioticFemale	uplime: i got klined for boatposting once
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2021-06-13 05:02:29	Hash	I got klined once
2021-06-13 05:02:37	Hash	Long time on on freenode
2021-06-13 05:02:41	Hash	I did /amsg lol.
2021-06-13 05:02:59	Hash	Stupid bot or something said I spammed. I'm like, why, you can't do /amsg good morning
2021-06-13 05:03:17	Hash	gotta go to each of your channels and go individually hello
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2021-06-13 05:03:25	@taw	Hash: those are usually annoying.
2021-06-13 05:03:26	Hash	so much work.
2021-06-13 05:03:31	Hash	I guess
2021-06-13 05:03:39	@taw	not "good morning", but /amsg
2021-06-13 05:03:48	Hash	I know
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2021-06-13 05:04:41	not_uplime	thanks taw i needed that
2021-06-13 05:04:52	@taw	not_uplime: you're welcome
2021-06-13 05:05:08	not_uplime	taw: whats your favorite color?
2021-06-13 05:05:23	porky	what it god's name is going on with this network?
2021-06-13 05:05:36	not_uplime	taw: whens your favorite color?
2021-06-13 05:05:47	not_uplime	taw: hows your favorite color?
2021-06-13 05:06:00	flyback	there goes another channel killled
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2021-06-13 05:06:02	←	taw has kicked not_uplime (you're hilarious)
2021-06-13 05:06:17	--	Mode #freenode [+b *up?ime*!*@*] by taw
2021-06-13 05:06:21	Hash	Jeezus man. Mental problems with these people.
2021-06-13 05:06:25	Hash	Why not be chill?
2021-06-13 05:06:32	Hash	Spending their time causing problems
2021-06-13 05:07:05	flyback	pretty soon not even your own mother will sponsor you
2021-06-13 05:07:08	flyback	if this keeps up
2021-06-13 05:07:10	flyback	:/
2021-06-13 05:07:32	@taw	flyback: you mean in terms of servers?
2021-06-13 05:07:39	Kasper	be respectful and polite and you will get the same in kind
2021-06-13 05:07:49	flyback	in terms of anything
2021-06-13 05:07:57	SymbioticFemale	^ threatening is as much of a hate crime as k-lining
2021-06-13 05:08:07	Unit193	Kasper: That's been proven false, mate.
2021-06-13 05:08:10	flyback	it's just sad
2021-06-13 05:08:11	SymbioticFemale	flyback is like your grandmother. this nick has been on freenode for like 25 years.
2021-06-13 05:08:12	@taw	yeah, I do read that as a threat.
2021-06-13 05:08:19	SymbioticFemale	threatening your grandmother is a bit uncalled for
2021-06-13 05:08:23	flyback	I been on freenode that long
2021-06-13 05:08:26	Hash	flyback is a good dude
2021-06-13 05:08:27	flyback	me?
2021-06-13 05:08:33	flyback	im not threatening anyone
2021-06-13 05:08:34	Hash	I've known him for like 15 years
2021-06-13 05:08:34	Kasper	hm works for me
2021-06-13 05:08:38	Hash	He's alright.
2021-06-13 05:08:39	SymbioticFemale	flyback: how many years have you been registered?
2021-06-13 05:08:45	flyback	im saying you are pissing off all of your sponsors etc
2021-06-13 05:08:48	@taw	flyback: I'm just giving you crap. I know where you're coming from.
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2021-06-13 05:09:10	@taw	I brought sponsors, and they are not pissed off.
2021-06-13 05:09:15	flyback	taw good
2021-06-13 05:09:18	@taw	but I guess I can't talk for _all_ of them.
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2021-06-13 05:09:24	flyback	SymbioticFemale, been around since 1996
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2021-06-13 05:09:50	Hash	I was 'stoned' on efnet too but some iphone dev took my nick
2021-06-13 05:10:08	@taw	Hash: what do you mean "took"?
2021-06-13 05:10:13	@taw	nicknames are not owned in EFnet.
2021-06-13 05:10:17	Hash	They don't have services
2021-06-13 05:10:20	Hash	Yup
2021-06-13 05:10:31	bigfoot547	took as in hit you offline?
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2021-06-13 05:10:45	Hash	No I left and I guess someother human being also likes to be stoned
2021-06-13 05:10:46	u_p_l_i_m_e	hi is this the lobby
2021-06-13 05:10:46	Hash	Hehe
2021-06-13 05:10:51	bigfoot547	oh lol
2021-06-13 05:10:58	Hash	Then I came back and it was no longer available
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2021-06-13 05:11:09	u_p_l_i_m_e	when is the lobby?
2021-06-13 05:11:14	bigfoot547	just idle with *keepnick and you'll get it back eventually :)
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2021-06-13 05:11:22	Hash	He's a cool guy. Makes iphone apps. Maybe not anymore
2021-06-13 05:11:25	@taw	Hash: if you need a spoof on EFnet, let me know, that'll help you not get packeted for a silly nick.
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2021-06-13 05:11:30	altwulf	Grr.
2021-06-13 05:11:37	Hash	Oh thanks man!
2021-06-13 05:11:43	u_p_l_i_m_e	hi taw, i need a spoof
2021-06-13 05:11:49	Hash	Wicked, thank you. I'll keep that in mind
2021-06-13 05:11:58	@taw	Hash: no problem, just hit me up.
2021-06-13 05:12:13	Hash	Usually people are alright. I was in the console hacking scene so people knew me a bit.
2021-06-13 05:12:20	Hash	<3
2021-06-13 05:12:36	u_p_l_i_m_e	hi hash, please wait your turn in the support queue
2021-06-13 05:12:55	Hash	u_p_l_i_m_e: you should watch Star Trek. It's awesome.
2021-06-13 05:13:18	u_p_l_i_m_e	is that the one with kirk and anakin?
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2021-06-13 05:13:34	Hash	no, it's with Picard and Yoda
2021-06-13 05:13:52	u_p_l_i_m_e	oh i have not seen it
2021-06-13 05:14:07	u_p_l_i_m_e	i wonder if taw is watching it or is working on my questions
2021-06-13 05:14:26	Hash	I'm on S5 E21 on DS9
2021-06-13 05:15:33	u_p_l_i_m_e	taw, should i expect a memoserv or an email?
2021-06-13 05:16:03	u_p_l_i_m_e	what is the sla for answering questions taw?
2021-06-13 05:16:17	SymbioticFemale	sup u_p_l_i_m_e
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2021-06-13 05:16:24	@taw	so. annoying.
2021-06-13 05:16:26	SymbioticFemale	HATECRIME
2021-06-13 05:16:40	SymbioticFemale	i need a bot that will automatically declare things hatecrimes
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2021-06-13 05:16:54	Kasper	I'm glad the trolls are being handled
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2021-06-13 05:17:13	 *	SymbioticFemale shrugs
2021-06-13 05:17:18	Kasper	it makes me tingly when they get the stick
2021-06-13 05:17:22	@taw	Kasper: I think we spend a lot of time allowing people to freely express whatever they desired, including spam towards other networks.
2021-06-13 05:17:31	@taw	we tried the route of walking around eggshells.
2021-06-13 05:17:34	Kasper	yeah the tolerance is immense
2021-06-13 05:17:39	Hash	Makes you wonder, how come this is the height of their entertainment. I'm chatting on one monitor, watching commander Worf on another monitor
2021-06-13 05:17:53	SymbioticFemale	i have four networks open on one monitor
2021-06-13 05:17:54	Hash	and they're like, I'm gonna expend energy to troll people.
2021-06-13 05:17:59	Hash	So weird.
2021-06-13 05:18:03	Kasper	I'm just saying, those guys are annoying and they fill the chat with nonsense which makes legit chat much harder
2021-06-13 05:18:17	@taw	Kasper: agreed
2021-06-13 05:18:32	SymbioticFemale	Hash: you should increase your skill. i can monitor a room with like two lines though it should be at least 5-6 if active.
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2021-06-13 05:18:59	SymbioticFemale	i can monitor like 30 rooms at a time on a 13 inch 1280x768 lol
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2021-06-13 05:19:32	SymbioticFemale	i'd burn out my keyboard pretty fast though
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2021-06-13 05:20:45	Hash	same. I use buffers in weechat
2021-06-13 05:20:47	Hash	easy peasy
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2021-06-13 05:21:03	SymbioticFemale	one day i might get around to trying weechat
2021-06-13 05:21:09	SymbioticFemale	until that day occurs, irssi is lyfe
2021-06-13 05:21:34	Hash	https://i.imgur.com/TRMx7pJ.jpg
2021-06-13 05:21:38	Hash	Before I clean
2021-06-13 05:21:46	Hash	https://i.imgur.com/yGq3yRU.jpg after I clean
2021-06-13 05:21:48	Hash	:D
2021-06-13 05:22:01	@taw	that's a lot of screens my guy
2021-06-13 05:22:24	SymbioticFemale	that's a normal amount of screens but usually people put those types of things on a desk
2021-06-13 05:22:27	@taw	Hash: https://i.imgur.com/iWGqz2G.jpg
2021-06-13 05:22:40	@taw	sorry for the poor cable management
2021-06-13 05:22:47	SymbioticFemale	oh the second photo has a desk
2021-06-13 05:22:49	Hash	Very nice amps
2021-06-13 05:23:02	Hash	I have RG series 7 string ibanez, and 20W marshall amp
2021-06-13 05:23:13	SymbioticFemale	i was admiring the bong
2021-06-13 05:23:36	@taw	Hash: word, I have an ESP 7 string
2021-06-13 05:23:44	@taw	and like... 14 other guitars
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2021-06-13 05:23:47	Hash	that's a lovely guitar
2021-06-13 05:23:48	@taw	I have a problem.
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2021-06-13 05:23:54	Hash	we usually do
2021-06-13 05:24:03	@taw	I messaged you, by the way
2021-06-13 05:24:06	@taw	check your privmsg.
2021-06-13 05:24:17	SymbioticFemale	honestly Hash you wouldn't need that many monitors if you made more efficient use of your screen space
2021-06-13 05:24:28	SymbioticFemale	i could get all of that on one screen and still have enough room for a movie
2021-06-13 05:24:59	SymbioticFemale	in fact, i could fit everything you are doing + a movie on a 1080p
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2021-06-13 05:25:31	Kasper	wew, I have a macbook and a couch
2021-06-13 05:27:30	Prestige	Hey, just curious if rules for channel names have changed - I thought unofficial channels should start with ##, but I just saw ##linux move to #linux so I'm a bit confused. Are there new guideline changes I should read?
2021-06-13 05:27:57	Prestige	I have a singe # channel I use for a project I'm running, hoping I don't have to change it
2021-06-13 05:28:12	Hash	I use Xmond, but I could learn more things. Feel free to give tips
2021-06-13 05:28:32	@taw	Prestige: you're good, we want to take care of the people who've decided to stay here
2021-06-13 05:29:00	@taw	we are just being a little bit harsher with trolls, spammers, and reclaming those places that have decided to leave.
2021-06-13 05:29:12	Prestige	Cool, thanks for the info
2021-06-13 05:29:16	@taw	IRC is a privilege, not a right. And there's not a single network that can't claim a channel if deemed necessary.
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2021-06-13 05:36:23	tonys_	Hello. I would like to register my nickname. I was told to go on #help to... well... get help.  So I tried "/join #help", but the channel is not loading.  Sorry I am a bit new in this "irc" thing, I am used to Telegram. Could someone help me register my nick please ?
2021-06-13 05:36:39	@taw	tonys_: I can help you
2021-06-13 05:36:51	@taw	tonys_: is 'tonys_' the nickname you want to register?
2021-06-13 05:37:14	tonys_	Yes Im ok with it
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2021-06-13 05:37:45	@taw	tonys_: to register the nickname you can type (in your status window) /quote nickserv register YourPassword YourEmail
2021-06-13 05:38:01	@taw	tonys_: replace YourPassword and YourEmail accordingly.
2021-06-13 05:38:13	@taw	note: If you're using outlook.com, you're not going to get a confirmation email.
2021-06-13 05:38:50	tonys_	Yes I have an outlook address
2021-06-13 05:39:24	tonys_	Do I need to setup another email account then ?
2021-06-13 05:39:38	@taw	tonys_: if you don't have another email account, I can help you finish your registration
2021-06-13 05:39:57	@taw	tonys_: but if you ever forget your password, you won't be able to reset it by mail and you'll have to request help from staff
2021-06-13 05:40:05	←	Time-Warp (Time-Warp@mirbsd/fan/time-warp) has left #freenode ("We Are Legion")
2021-06-13 05:40:07	test333	not getting an email with protonmail is that normal?
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2021-06-13 05:40:43	@taw	test333: did you check your spam folder? protonmail should be fine
2021-06-13 05:40:50	tonys_	taw: that is very kind of you, but for safety reasons I'll setup another email account then
2021-06-13 05:40:59	tonys_	I am not very good with passwords :^)
2021-06-13 05:41:03	Kasper	you can use a gmail account tonys_
2021-06-13 05:41:12	tonys_	Cool
2021-06-13 05:42:19	thrbehrbr	stop doing convos of many accounts  when i am on, stop taunting, intimidating, hacking, stalking, scamming and terror to me by interner..Return my money that u scammed
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2021-06-13 05:43:02	@taw	heyoka404: nachoca
2021-06-13 05:43:07	thrbehrbr	stop doing convos of many accounts  when i am on, stop taunting, intimidating, hacking, stalking, scamming and terror to me by interner..Return my money that u scammed
2021-06-13 05:43:25	thrbehrbr	every nMe speaking in channel chat is same one guy except me
2021-06-13 05:43:52	@taw	thrbehrbr: I don't understand what you're saying
2021-06-13 05:44:58	OD	The stalking could be me
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2021-06-13 05:45:04	OD	But I really doubt he saw me
2021-06-13 05:45:50	delta23	does anyone know what happened to the ##linux channel ?
2021-06-13 05:45:50	Kasper	I think that is a bot
2021-06-13 05:46:04	delta23	i just checked and it seems it autokicked everybody
2021-06-13 05:46:19	luke-jr	delta23: seems to have been moved to #Linux
2021-06-13 05:46:22	luke-jr	not sure why
2021-06-13 05:46:28	delta23	oh
2021-06-13 05:46:30	delta23	alright
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2021-06-13 05:46:53	altwulf	Freenode staff has assumed ownership and management of Freenode ##linux.
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2021-06-13 05:47:36	OD	subtext: altwulf got deposed
2021-06-13 05:47:38	OD	So it's not all bad
2021-06-13 05:47:40	OD	But yeah :/
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2021-06-13 05:48:50	bigfoot547	:O jim klined
2021-06-13 05:49:05	OD	Have we seriously lost jim?
2021-06-13 05:49:09	bigfoot547	look!
2021-06-13 05:49:12	OD	He was a nice guy and a good friend of mine
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2021-06-13 05:49:14	bigfoot547	<-- heyoka404 (~heyoka404@186.11.98.115) has quit
2021-06-13 05:49:19	bigfoot547	well someone stole my quite
2021-06-13 05:49:23	bigfoot547	s/quite/quote/
2021-06-13 05:49:25	bigfoot547	<-- jim (~jim@about/linux/staff/jim) has quit (K-Lined)
2021-06-13 05:49:29	bigfoot547	that's the right line
2021-06-13 05:49:40	bigfoot547	registered for 20 years
2021-06-13 05:49:50	@taw	klines are not permanent
2021-06-13 05:49:57	@taw	unless he wants it to be.
2021-06-13 05:50:52	malign	That k-line scythe is working double time o_o
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2021-06-13 05:51:51	@phanes	i did not have that impression
2021-06-13 05:52:04	OD	phanes: he's disillusioned
2021-06-13 05:52:05	Hash	jim, old man, cool enough guy, ran ##linux I think, plays bass, used to talk to him on the phone for hours years ago. Then he ... changed.
2021-06-13 05:52:13	OD	He's put decades into Linux and was one of the good ones
2021-06-13 05:52:19	Hash	Not decades.
2021-06-13 05:52:21	OD	He was banned from #linux on entry
2021-06-13 05:52:21	@phanes	i dont think he was
2021-06-13 05:52:26	Hash	He started using linux literally a few years ago.
2021-06-13 05:52:31	OD	"at least 5 years" - I can attest to that
2021-06-13 05:52:32	bigfoot547	phones :P
2021-06-13 05:52:37	OD	Hash: I wouldn't trust anything you say man
2021-06-13 05:52:39	Hash	More than 5.
2021-06-13 05:52:43	@phanes	yeah i was around when he got opped in linux
2021-06-13 05:52:47	OD	But still even if it were 3 months - it's cause for disillusionment
2021-06-13 05:52:49	@phanes	sauvin's recommendation i believe
2021-06-13 05:52:54	Hash	*nod*
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2021-06-13 05:53:57	@phanes	great opportunity for a better #linux
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2021-06-13 05:54:06	OD	phanes: you left altwulf and got rid of jim
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2021-06-13 05:54:12	@phanes	yep
2021-06-13 05:54:26	OD	phanes: there are two spammy join/parters, no one's done anything about those
2021-06-13 05:54:55	@phanes	OD, https://youtu.be/tlSiK1afwjY
2021-06-13 05:55:07	OD	phanes: no GUI
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2021-06-13 05:56:11	Hash	There used to be a NIN closer remix on KaZaa or Napster long time ago called the 'Version remix'. I wish I could find that again.
2021-06-13 05:56:32	Hash	That and a Tekken 3 remix. Those were killer tracks
2021-06-13 05:57:48	thrbehrbr	stop doing convos of many accounts  when i am on, stop taunting, intimidating, hacking, stalking, scamming and terror to me by interner..Return my money that u scammed
2021-06-13 05:58:25	thrbehrbr	stop doing convos of many accounts  when i am on, stop taunting, intimidating, hacking, stalking, scamming and terror to me by interner..Return my money that u scammed. Every name speaking in channel chat is same one guy who is u
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2021-06-13 06:04:01	GK-Deacon	i made it
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2021-06-13 06:04:56	@Foxy	hello GK-Deacon
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2021-06-13 06:06:13	GK-Deacon	hiya
2021-06-13 06:06:22	GK-Deacon	how long should it take to get the registration email
2021-06-13 06:06:24	KindOne	GK-Deacon: I'd like a whopper with cheese, a large pepsi without ice, and a large fry. k.thx.
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2021-06-13 06:06:39	GK-Deacon	hehe
2021-06-13 06:06:43	GK-Deacon	how you doing KindOne
2021-06-13 06:06:46	@Foxy	should be instant
2021-06-13 06:06:53	@Foxy	make sure to check your spam
2021-06-13 06:06:56	GK-Deacon	idid
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2021-06-13 06:11:59	ajxeha	Can I get a k-line for mentioning Libera Chat please? TIA
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2021-06-13 06:13:03	ajxeha	Also "community" is corporate speak for "the users of our service". Keep that in mind when freenode explains tonight's actions in terms of "protecting the community"... again.
2021-06-13 06:13:28	KindOne	GK-Deacon, not great not terrible
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2021-06-13 06:13:38	GK-Deacon	=]
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2021-06-13 06:13:48	@Foxy	welcome back nirvana
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2021-06-13 06:14:26	Abrax	ah nirvana is back
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2021-06-13 06:15:07	enthd	hello all, what happened to ##linux?
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2021-06-13 06:15:56	@TheRedHorseman	enthd, it's at #linux
2021-06-13 06:16:04	@rasengan	WB nirvana! :D
2021-06-13 06:16:04	microfracture	freenode shut it down and moved it back to #linux earlier
2021-06-13 06:16:06	enthd	excellent thanks!
2021-06-13 06:16:15	enthd	awesome! this is great
2021-06-13 06:16:20	@TheRedHorseman	enthd, right?!
2021-06-13 06:16:24	microfracture	(with freenode staff running it)
2021-06-13 06:16:25	enthd	finally
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2021-06-13 06:16:39	enthd	can the same be done for #math
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2021-06-13 06:16:50	GK-Deacon	KindOne did you see the game we got runnin in our chan
2021-06-13 06:16:59	@nirvana	heya GK-Deacon!
2021-06-13 06:17:01	bandali	v8, why did you "force transition" #gnu?
2021-06-13 06:17:05	GK-Deacon	hiya nirvana =]
2021-06-13 06:17:06	@nirvana	thanks rasengan thanks foxy
2021-06-13 06:17:28	KindOne	GK-Deacon, yeah, im watchin everything
2021-06-13 06:17:32	Abrax	good to see you are still alive
2021-06-13 06:17:35	GK-Deacon	hehe
2021-06-13 06:17:40	GK-Deacon	you should play its fun
2021-06-13 06:17:43	@Foxy	hi Abrax
2021-06-13 06:17:43	GK-Deacon	still has some bugs
2021-06-13 06:17:48	GK-Deacon	but its fun
2021-06-13 06:17:58	@Foxy	GK-Deacon is the timers fixed on it?
2021-06-13 06:18:02	Abrax	heya foxy
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2021-06-13 06:18:04	GK-Deacon	not fully
2021-06-13 06:18:15	GK-Deacon	i think it is per user now tho
2021-06-13 06:18:18	GK-Deacon	instead of per trigger
2021-06-13 06:18:22	@Foxy	oh nice
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2021-06-13 06:24:48	 *	TheRedHorseman trots around in a circle, eyes gleaming red like laser pointers in the dark
2021-06-13 06:25:28	 *	KindOne points a laser at TheRedHorseman
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2021-06-13 06:26:06	Kasper	TheRedHorseman can I borrow your horse for a few minutes
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2021-06-13 06:26:39	ajxeha	the service here is deplorable
2021-06-13 06:26:45	Kasper	I always wanted one but I grew up in a city
2021-06-13 06:27:03	GK-Deacon	ajxeha you should demand a refund
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2021-06-13 06:29:24	Hash	I've ridden on a horse a few times
2021-06-13 06:29:48	Hash	It's fun. Especially when it runs
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2021-06-13 06:31:30	placeb0	it hurts your balls a bit, but it's fun
2021-06-13 06:31:52	Hash	I don't remember that part.
2021-06-13 06:31:54	Hash	Hehe
2021-06-13 06:32:02	craftxbox	woah! -m!
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2021-06-13 06:32:46	placeb0	usiya saddle is a good idea
2021-06-13 06:32:54	placeb0	using*
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2021-06-13 06:33:12	Hash	I wonder how horses feel about that
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2021-06-13 06:33:48	placeb0	some enjoy it, others don't
2021-06-13 06:34:00	placeb0	it depends a lot on how the horse has been trained
2021-06-13 06:34:30	placeb0	I've never ridden a horse with these metal stuff in its mouth
2021-06-13 06:34:39	placeb0	(not sure how they called in English)
2021-06-13 06:34:41	ptx0	why would someone train a horse to not enjoy it
2021-06-13 06:34:44	Hash	Bit?
2021-06-13 06:34:45	Hash	Horse bit
2021-06-13 06:34:49	Hash	I think
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2021-06-13 06:35:10	altwulf	Yes. Bit.
2021-06-13 06:35:14	Hash	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_(horse)
2021-06-13 06:35:20	placeb0	ptx0: because some don't care about the horses
2021-06-13 06:35:36	placeb0	they train them by hitting them and using that horse bit
2021-06-13 06:35:52	ketas	keep your bits
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2021-06-13 06:36:27	placeb0	if you can't trust a horse to ride it naked, the horse isn't well trained
2021-06-13 06:36:45	Hash	I saw a video today abot feral horses
2021-06-13 06:37:45	ketas	placeb0: with you or the horse naked?
2021-06-13 06:37:52	ketas	:)
2021-06-13 06:38:06	placeb0	ketas: -.-
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2021-06-13 06:38:11	placeb0	the horse obviously
2021-06-13 06:39:07	Hash	LOL nude horse riding romantic casa nova with a bow in Eden Garden
2021-06-13 06:39:10	Hash	all movie like
2021-06-13 06:39:18	Hash	hehe
2021-06-13 06:39:20	placeb0	naked meaning without a saddle or the other thing that goes around it's head that I also don't know how it's called in English
2021-06-13 06:39:47	ptx0	the crap bag
2021-06-13 06:39:49	Hash	snaffle bit
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2021-06-13 06:40:34	placeb0	Hash: not that, that should be illegal in my opinion anyways
2021-06-13 06:40:52	Hash	I'm still trying to google the purpose of a bit.
2021-06-13 06:41:06	Hash	So far it's used to apply pressure to horse mouth. I assume to conrol it.
2021-06-13 06:41:07	ptx0	if you put 8 bits in a horses mouth they have a byte
2021-06-13 06:41:10	Hash	But seems painful? I dunno
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2021-06-13 06:41:57	placeb0	Hash: correct
2021-06-13 06:42:15	placeb0	that's what people use when they don't know how to properly train a horse
2021-06-13 06:42:29	placeb0	ptx0: what a nerd lol
2021-06-13 06:42:44	Hash	Makes sense.
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2021-06-13 06:42:45	ptx0	ya right chuck norris
2021-06-13 06:43:02	coruja	so, you want to get users back by clearing channels again?
2021-06-13 06:43:05	ptx0	cesar milan
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2021-06-13 06:43:17	ptx0	coruja: no one cares how many users an irc network has
2021-06-13 06:43:24	ptx0	go measure dicks somewhere else
2021-06-13 06:43:54	ketas	ptx0: 4 is just a nibble
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2021-06-13 06:44:15	ptx0	i hope idiots like you keep leaving and it drops to like 10-15k people who are actually here to do stuff instead of troll because they're butthurt, jellies, or any number of conditions
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2021-06-13 06:44:53	altwulf	ptx0: if you honestly feel that way, how do you account for a dramatic drop in PRIVMSG traffic on Freenode?
2021-06-13 06:45:00	wodencafe	ptx0: Are you auditioning for a staff position too?
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2021-06-13 06:45:13	placeb0	right, if you don't like freenode just leave
2021-06-13 06:45:16	ptx0	i don't have time for that
2021-06-13 06:45:32	placeb0	so many people are staying here just to talk shit about freenode
2021-06-13 06:45:41	GK-Deacon	i would like to point out to everyone that my dad is bigger than your dad :P
2021-06-13 06:45:42	coruja	ptx0, that was addressed rather to someone speaking for freenode than to a troll ;)
2021-06-13 06:45:47	ptx0	altwulf: if i feel that way, what now? like i said, no one cares, why should privmsg traffic matter at all
2021-06-13 06:45:48	GK-Deacon	so there
2021-06-13 06:45:50	stonecold	Is #linux now Linux foundation official since it has one #?
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2021-06-13 06:46:05	enthdegree	sure
2021-06-13 06:46:14	ptx0	it's freenode's official linux channel run by freenode staff
2021-06-13 06:46:16	ketas	how do you even count it
2021-06-13 06:46:18	KindOne	stonecold, nope
2021-06-13 06:46:23	altwulf	stonecold: the new FN #linux channel has absolutely no relationship with the Linux Foundation.
2021-06-13 06:46:28	ketas	do you spy
2021-06-13 06:46:54	stonecold	Shouldn't it be ## if it isn't owned by the Linux Foundation?
2021-06-13 06:46:55	ptx0	ketas: haxin'
2021-06-13 06:47:02	enthdegree	stonecold: why dont you ask root
2021-06-13 06:47:04	ptx0	stonecold: shouldn't you go find something else better to do
2021-06-13 06:47:11	rndusr	stonecold: absolute power corrupts absolutely
2021-06-13 06:47:21	wodencafe	ptx0: Shouldn't you be a staffer by now?
2021-06-13 06:47:27	stonecold	ptx0 what?
2021-06-13 06:47:27	enthdegree	i agree with ptx0
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2021-06-13 06:47:48	ketas	absolut vodka corrupts you totally
2021-06-13 06:47:49	placeb0	like if #/## on IRC is some kind of government law
2021-06-13 06:47:52	ptx0	more likely to get a staff infection from all this bullshit in here
2021-06-13 06:48:05	stonecold	What?
2021-06-13 06:48:16	placeb0	wodencafe: why don't you become a staffee if you like that so much?
2021-06-13 06:48:29	ketas	placeb0: there should be ### tier too
2021-06-13 06:48:31	ptx0	stonecold: as in go and complain to efnet about #linux not having two #'s
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2021-06-13 06:48:41	ketas	even more prison bars
2021-06-13 06:48:55	ptx0	channels should start out at a minimum of 8 hashes
2021-06-13 06:49:05	bigfoot547	join me in #########linux
2021-06-13 06:49:21	stonecold	The policy is # have to be owned by official organizations, and that's the bottom line cause Stone Cold said so.
2021-06-13 06:49:22	ptx0	if you set up one with 9 hashes it'll charge everyone who joins, by the minute
2021-06-13 06:49:54	placeb0	stonecold: do you own linux?
2021-06-13 06:50:00	ketas	toll channels?
2021-06-13 06:50:05	wodencafe	stonecold: Don't worry, placeb0 didn't get the WWE reference.
2021-06-13 06:50:06	ptx0	he's pwned linux
2021-06-13 06:50:08	ptx0	does that count
2021-06-13 06:50:20	ketas	pwned linus ass
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2021-06-13 06:50:51	ptx0	move channels back to freenode and get free vaccines
2021-06-13 06:50:56	Hash	He wrestled like 15-20 years ago.
2021-06-13 06:51:12	ptx0	more like 25 years ago?
2021-06-13 06:51:13	TheLinuxNerd	honestly, carring about whether it is # or ## is something I don't
2021-06-13 06:51:13	Hash	I don't think people even know about him anymore
2021-06-13 06:51:25	TheLinuxNerd	ptx0 no thanks, I got my free Pfizer already :-D
2021-06-13 06:51:25	Hash	Last I seen he was in the Adam Sandler movie
2021-06-13 06:51:35	Hash	Longest Yard as a prison guard
2021-06-13 06:51:48	ketas	wtf
2021-06-13 06:51:57	Hash	DDP was in a Steven Seagal movie lately
2021-06-13 06:51:59	placeb0	there have been non official organisation owned channels registered under a single # on freenode for ages and no one ever spoke a word about them
2021-06-13 06:51:59	ptx0	he's been doing Old-Young porno roleplaying as the younger woman
2021-06-13 06:52:11	placeb0	but now it's a huge issue
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2021-06-13 06:52:32	GK-Deacon	placeb0 you should demand a refund
2021-06-13 06:52:38	GK-Deacon	i wouldnt tolerate it
2021-06-13 06:52:46	 *	stonecold stone cold stunners placeb0
2021-06-13 06:52:46	ptx0	🥤 here's a cup with a straw for stonecold to grasp at while he tries to get any attention
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2021-06-13 06:53:46	ptx0	this channel reminds me of that Bill Murray movie where every day is the same
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2021-06-13 06:53:56	ptx0	Lost in Translation
2021-06-13 06:53:57	Hash	groundhog>
2021-06-13 06:53:59	Hash	oh.
2021-06-13 06:54:09	Hash	I never saw that one.
2021-06-13 06:54:17	ketas	groundhump
2021-06-13 06:54:19	Hash	seemed too dramatic and intense.
2021-06-13 06:54:23	ptx0	scarlett johansen's bewbs
2021-06-13 06:54:43	ptx0	worth watching for those but it's slow af
2021-06-13 06:55:04	stonecold	Are you going to seize #fsf since it mentions libera in it's topic?
2021-06-13 06:55:16	ptx0	are you going to seize the day?
2021-06-13 06:55:33	stonecold	I seize every day
2021-06-13 06:55:41	stonecold	And give it the stunner
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2021-06-13 06:57:03	wodencafe	Lol stonecold these underrated Attitude Era memes.
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2021-06-13 06:57:38	kaniini	h
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2021-06-13 06:57:56	kaniini	want to congratulate nirvana on his new o:line
2021-06-13 06:58:07	stonecold	Shouldn't #fsf be locked and a ##fsf be started?
2021-06-13 06:58:23	stonecold	Don't we have to apply the rules equally?
2021-06-13 06:58:34	kaniini	nirvana: how is your o:line
2021-06-13 06:58:38	kaniini	nirvana: are you enjoying it
2021-06-13 06:58:43	kaniini	nirvana: was it everything you hoped for?
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2021-06-13 06:58:51	kaniini	nirvana: have you made jess and tomaw into bots yet?
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2021-06-13 06:59:41	kaniini	you know, i was thinking the other day about the last time nirvana had an o:line on a network which actually mattered, Snoonet.
2021-06-13 07:00:00	Hash	kaniini: what is your purpose here?
2021-06-13 07:00:00	kaniini	and how our paths crossed back then.
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2021-06-13 07:01:04	kaniini	i found out about nirvana being an IRCop on Snoonet because a literal child broke into my mumble call crying
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2021-06-13 07:01:29	stonecold	I think we should have a cage match between myself and ptx0 and if I win ##linux has to be reverted and Donald Trump gets to shave Andy's head.
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2021-06-13 07:02:40	Lambda_86	what's this situation going on with libera chat?
2021-06-13 07:03:22	Hash	Lambda_86:  That's a braod question, can you be more specific?
2021-06-13 07:03:49	stonecold	What?
2021-06-13 07:04:03	Lambda_86	apparently it was taken over or something?
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2021-06-13 07:04:11	Lambda_86	i mean freenode was
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2021-06-13 07:05:08	Hash	The old staff claimed it was taken over and left. It was not taken over in my understanding. Then whey they left, someone had to fill in the gaps.
2021-06-13 07:05:21	Kasper	freenode has added a few staff members that are great
2021-06-13 07:05:27	Hash	So now there is new management and things should be in order soon
2021-06-13 07:05:31	Kasper	some staff left
2021-06-13 07:05:37	@nirvana	kaniini: I stayed away to mentally disconnect. I don't know why you're trying to bring me in to things.
2021-06-13 07:05:49	GK-Deacon	lol
2021-06-13 07:05:53	Hash	nirvana: he's gone.
2021-06-13 07:05:55	@nirvana	Ah
2021-06-13 07:06:04	@nirvana	sorry I dont have my clients set up
2021-06-13 07:06:08	Hash	Nice nickname. Great band
2021-06-13 07:06:12	@nirvana	agreed
2021-06-13 07:06:14	 *	Foxy nods
2021-06-13 07:06:14	stonecold	What?
2021-06-13 07:06:15	Hash	And also Om shanti
2021-06-13 07:06:17	@TheRedHorseman	Hash, she.  That's ariadne conill.
2021-06-13 07:06:23	Hash	Oh ok
2021-06-13 07:06:27	Hash	Hi o/
2021-06-13 07:06:50	@Foxy	no ariadne was kaniini
2021-06-13 07:06:55	 *	stonecold walks to each corner or the ring, stands up on the ropes and flips the crowd off
2021-06-13 07:06:56	Hash	Oh
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2021-06-13 07:09:18	ptx0	nenolod
2021-06-13 07:09:36	ptx0	#1 drama queen
2021-06-13 07:09:46	stonecold	Your ass is grass
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2021-06-13 07:10:09	stonecold	I'll see you at summer slam where we fight for the heavyweight belt!
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2021-06-13 07:11:31	@root	WE ARE MAKING FREENODE GREAT AGAIN!
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2021-06-13 07:11:37	@root	#MFGA
2021-06-13 07:11:38	@TheRedHorseman	#MFGA
2021-06-13 07:11:50	@rasengan	#MFGA
2021-06-13 07:11:58	@nirvana	o_O
2021-06-13 07:12:20	crc	when did freenode stop being great?
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2021-06-13 07:12:33	@nirvana	crc++
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2021-06-13 07:12:47	GreenJello	please don't increment checksums
2021-06-13 07:12:52	@nirvana	hahah
2021-06-13 07:13:02	@nirvana	true
2021-06-13 07:13:03	Hash	GreenJello dork
2021-06-13 07:13:05	Hash	hehe
2021-06-13 07:13:13	@Foxy	#MFGA
2021-06-13 07:13:17	@nirvana	man
2021-06-13 07:13:18	enthdegree	a lot of them will try to say it was going great but let me tell you those people had no idea what was really going on, they had no idea
2021-06-13 07:13:22	@nirvana	having a personality on IRC = no
2021-06-13 07:13:25	@nirvana	ONLY SRS BIZ k
2021-06-13 07:13:38	@nirvana	wild stuff.
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2021-06-13 07:15:00	Hash	jabascript. jaba the hutt script
2021-06-13 07:15:07	--	Mode #freenode [+v Hash] by Foxy
2021-06-13 07:15:15	netrixtardis	i just want to say, whoever has the idea to give phanes an O:line is fucking stupid.
2021-06-13 07:15:21	+Hash	Gracias
2021-06-13 07:15:22	netrixtardis	that asshole is still power tripping.
2021-06-13 07:15:29	@Foxy	yw
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2021-06-13 07:15:51	--	Mode #freenode [+v Kasper] by Foxy
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2021-06-13 07:17:15	ptx0	funny thing about that power tripping is that 99% of the network is somehow managing to avoid it except for you whiny fucking children
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2021-06-13 07:17:46	ptx0	take a walk and go outside, see how your life improves and how many fewer k-lines affect you
2021-06-13 07:17:59	 *	stonecold walks towards the ring after glass breaking effects and metal riffs fill the room
2021-06-13 07:18:28	@root	stonecold: Hope you're not too tied to that phone number. ;)
2021-06-13 07:18:34	enthdegree	the only people getting mad are the people who were previously doing the klining
2021-06-13 07:18:47	 *	stonecold stands up on the ropes in each corner of the ring and flips off the opera as the crowd goes wild.
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2021-06-13 07:19:04	@root	stonecold: Unauthorized access to computer systems is serious business.
2021-06-13 07:19:06	@root	Aww :(
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2021-06-13 07:19:17	enthdegree	what is stonecold trying to do
2021-06-13 07:19:27	+Hash	He's just having fun.
2021-06-13 07:19:33	ptx0	sexual frustration in action
2021-06-13 07:19:36	+Hash	Harmless so far.
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2021-06-13 07:24:35	@nirvana	yeap. this ircd, and these services are garbage.
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2021-06-13 07:24:58	CrystalMath	what services are installer here? atheme?
2021-06-13 07:25:07	CrystalMath	*installed
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2021-06-13 07:25:19	@Foxy	don't like it? change it
2021-06-13 07:25:27	@nirvana	is that a dare
2021-06-13 07:25:33	@Foxy	yes it is
2021-06-13 07:25:45	@Foxy	i double dog dare you
2021-06-13 07:26:00	@nirvana	I don't move unless there's triple, amongst multiple people
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2021-06-13 07:26:32	@root	triple dog
2021-06-13 07:27:00	genius3000	quadruple cat
2021-06-13 07:27:08	@TheRedHorseman	quintuple puppy
2021-06-13 07:27:12	@nirvana	Tempting... tempting...
2021-06-13 07:27:14	@nirvana	ok
2021-06-13 07:27:18	@nirvana	I've made my decision.
2021-06-13 07:27:19	@TheRedHorseman	sextuple donkeys
2021-06-13 07:27:22	@nirvana	Inspircd and Anope it is.
2021-06-13 07:27:27	CrystalMath	nice!
2021-06-13 07:27:31	CrystalMath	excellent choice
2021-06-13 07:28:07	@nirvana	I'm assuming nobody really cared about this IRCd. when I came here, it smelled like a stale fart. how is it 2021 and this is what's offered
2021-06-13 07:28:26	enthdegree	because the network was being run by stooges
2021-06-13 07:28:35	CrystalMath	charybdis? i think freenode used to try to be very "unique"
2021-06-13 07:28:42	@nirvana	I get it. I do.
2021-06-13 07:29:04	CrystalMath	i forgot what OFTC is running but it's also something less common
2021-06-13 07:29:25	CrystalMath	was it ngircd?
2021-06-13 07:29:25	KindOne	ircd-something...
2021-06-13 07:29:28	KindOne	no
2021-06-13 07:29:37	CrystalMath	ircd-dancer?
2021-06-13 07:29:37	@TheRedHorseman	I think it's just powered by coffee and closeted hate
2021-06-13 07:29:40	KindOne	no
2021-06-13 07:29:44	@nirvana	at the end of the day channels should be in charge of all things for their communities and opers should butt out (IMO)
2021-06-13 07:29:55	+Hash	Agreed.
2021-06-13 07:30:02	CrystalMath	that's how it has always been
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2021-06-13 07:30:05	CrystalMath	i think
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2021-06-13 07:30:17	@nirvana	I hope so
2021-06-13 07:30:19	KindOne	01:30:03 [OFTC] -!- hybrid-7.2.2+oftc1.7.3(oftc-hybrid-1.7.3-47-gaf86efd5)
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2021-06-13 07:30:51	@nirvana	any music channels here for posting music?
2021-06-13 07:30:55	+Hash	Yes
2021-06-13 07:30:56	+Hash	#music
2021-06-13 07:31:00	@nirvana	awesome ty!
2021-06-13 07:31:02	+Hash	I post all the time
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2021-06-13 07:31:18	+Hash	Goa Trance, psychedelic jam band stuff, metal, etc.
2021-06-13 07:31:45	@nirvana	I like EDM this last year
2021-06-13 07:31:58	a1	CrystalMath: that's how it was
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2021-06-13 07:32:39	CrystalMath	a1: well, on freenode, starting from 2017 some channels were closed down, culminating in 2020
2021-06-13 07:32:42	KindOne	ircd won't really bother with that, but what is wrong with atheme?
2021-06-13 07:32:50	CrystalMath	a1: for nothing but opinions
2021-06-13 07:33:10	CrystalMath	a1: sometimes i don't even know why, but Fuchs's decision
2021-06-13 07:33:12	@nirvana	nothing wrong with atheme, actually seeing it run at this scale is nice
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2021-06-13 07:33:24	CrystalMath	i prefer anope to atheme
2021-06-13 07:34:49	+Kasper	I used to run unrealircd and anope services
2021-06-13 07:35:09	+Kasper	it was great for a small private server :D
2021-06-13 07:35:34	@nirvana	I'd prefer IRCx where access lists are built in to the ircd
2021-06-13 07:37:14	CrystalMath	Kasper: for bot testing i use ngircd
2021-06-13 07:37:27	CrystalMath	(and i don't really run real IRC servers myself)
2021-06-13 07:37:34	KindOne	I miss officeirc
2021-06-13 07:37:42	@v8	officeirc is that
2021-06-13 07:37:46	@v8	the windows IRCx?
2021-06-13 07:37:55	KindOne	https://www.officeirc.com/
2021-06-13 07:37:57	bigfoot547	I preemptively miss pissnet for when it eventually goes under
2021-06-13 07:38:36	@nirvana	hey that pnet thing is actually pretty funny. aside from destroying people individually the websites/everything
2021-06-13 07:38:42	@nirvana	got a good belly chuckle out of that
2021-06-13 07:38:43	@nirvana	good stuff
2021-06-13 07:39:27	@nirvana	haha office irc, xpeacex #take days is what comes to mind
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2021-06-13 07:39:40	KindOne	yeah, the parady sites are great
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2021-06-13 07:40:58	--	Mode #freenode [+v CrystalMath] by TheRedHorseman
2021-06-13 07:42:49	@root	hmm looks like irc clouds bouncer is closed source.
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2021-06-13 07:43:00	@root	seems like they're monetizing freenode users.
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2021-06-13 07:43:54	a1	i heard igloo irc is a better product. wonder if people will move
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2021-06-13 07:45:09	mlu	uhm, what happened to ##linux?
2021-06-13 07:45:18	a1	it moved to libera
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2021-06-13 07:45:45	@Foxy	##linux has moved back to #linux
2021-06-13 07:45:48	@nirvana	Good ol' mIRC, weechat, and irssi are what ye should keep in yr bag. what would be cool is a standardized IRC client across all the platforms so people don't have to perform brain surgery to connect somewhere.
2021-06-13 07:45:58	a1	mlu: you can check out their website at linux.chat
2021-06-13 07:46:07	--	Mode #freenode [+b a1!~ekaj@40.ip-192-99-166.net] by Foxy
2021-06-13 07:46:07	←	Foxy has kicked a1 (a1)
2021-06-13 07:46:43	mlu	that was the website as I remembered it: seriously, wtf guys
2021-06-13 07:46:54	KindOne	mIRC is not cross platform, it has some extrmee annoyances in wine
2021-06-13 07:46:54	Abrax	i use hexchat
2021-06-13 07:47:05	@Foxy	i use adiirc
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2021-06-13 07:48:24	mlu	bunch of people chatting and all the sudden it got cleared a few hours ago with no warning
2021-06-13 07:48:39	@Foxy	mlu they moved back to #linux
2021-06-13 07:48:45	mlu	"they"?
2021-06-13 07:48:51	@Foxy	##Linux
2021-06-13 07:48:57	@Foxy	is now #linux
2021-06-13 07:49:14	mlu	the ops are not the ones I know, and the policies are not the ones I'm familiar with
2021-06-13 07:49:14	coruja	they were moved back, you mean
2021-06-13 07:49:21	mlu	looks like a takeover -- was it?
2021-06-13 07:49:35	@Foxy	coruja yes
2021-06-13 07:49:44	@root	freenode is closer to efnet now imo.  free as in freedom.  foss isn't the end game.  foss is a means to an end - to freedom.
2021-06-13 07:50:05	mlu	no, you guys are nowhere near as free-for-all than them
2021-06-13 07:50:22	mlu	you're more like one of those small IRC networks from back in the days with arbitrary policies
2021-06-13 07:50:29	@root	"freenode - fk around and find out" -- nirvana, June 12, 2021
2021-06-13 07:50:33	mlu	gotta say: I'm disappointed
2021-06-13 07:50:47	@nirvana	yo dont be releasing my logs yo
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2021-06-13 07:52:00	KindOne	who releasing what?
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2021-06-13 07:52:13	@root	hey kaniini!
2021-06-13 07:52:16	@nirvana	!roll
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2021-06-13 07:52:28	+kaniini	i'd like to know why my free speech rights were violated in your free speech zone
2021-06-13 07:53:01	@nirvana	let me know when you find out
2021-06-13 07:53:05	KindOne	can we have a voteban bot, for democracy and stuff?
2021-06-13 07:53:05	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, just a moment please.  We need to process your question so that it can be answered by the appropriate staff.
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2021-06-13 07:53:39	luk3yx	Why was mlu banned
2021-06-13 07:53:39	ErrantEgo	o_O
2021-06-13 07:53:40	@nirvana	KindOne: yes
2021-06-13 07:53:41	+kaniini	freedom of speech is very important to me
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2021-06-13 07:54:03	@nirvana	kaniini: is irc fun yet?
2021-06-13 07:54:04	ErrantEgo	gotta ask nicely ;p
2021-06-13 07:54:09	+kaniini	oh yes
2021-06-13 07:54:12	+kaniini	irc is FUN
2021-06-13 07:54:14	dreamscached	IRC is fun.
2021-06-13 07:54:36	@nirvana	shits still crazy thats for sure
2021-06-13 07:55:05	wodencafe	root: "foss isn't the end game.  foss is a means to an end - to freedom" What happened to "freenode exists for FOSS", written by rasengan on 05-25-2021?
2021-06-13 07:55:22	+kaniini	shits maximum crazy nirvana
2021-06-13 07:55:28	+kaniini	how do you like your o:line
2021-06-13 07:55:38	@nirvana	i mean what can i do with it
2021-06-13 07:55:41	coruja	to be precise, chatting on irc has never been a right but a privilege as irc is run by volunteers, formerly most motds said so
2021-06-13 07:55:41	@nirvana	plus i got the baby access
2021-06-13 07:55:50	+kaniini	oh man
2021-06-13 07:55:52	+kaniini	really?
2021-06-13 07:55:59	+kaniini	root: how you gonna be like that
2021-06-13 07:56:01	KindOne	talk is cheap, show the /privs
2021-06-13 07:56:06	+kaniini	you gotta give nirvana superbia bro
2021-06-13 07:56:07	@nirvana	hahah
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2021-06-13 07:56:45	+kaniini	be a BRO bro
2021-06-13 07:56:58	@nirvana	hey the music channel exists
2021-06-13 07:57:03	+kaniini	hell yeah
2021-06-13 07:57:05	Adran	nirvana: is that why you mass took over without warning - if operators should butt out? :(
2021-06-13 07:57:09	+kaniini	when is andrew dropping his next single
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2021-06-13 07:58:42	+kaniini	root, buddy
2021-06-13 07:58:52	+kaniini	why was my free speech rights violated in your free speech zone
2021-06-13 07:59:03	dreamscached	What actually happened?
2021-06-13 07:59:10	→	DiceBot (~dicebot@unaffiliated/dicebot) has joined #freenode
2021-06-13 07:59:13	+kaniini	oh i was recalling the good old days!
2021-06-13 07:59:15	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, just a moment please.  We need to process your question so that it can be answered by the appropriate staff.
2021-06-13 07:59:19	+kaniini	when nirvana was an IRCop on SnooNet
2021-06-13 07:59:30	+kaniini	and he threatened to use his real cop privileges on his users
2021-06-13 07:59:40	@nirvana	kaniini: honestly i'd appreciate if you just didn't pick on me
2021-06-13 07:59:49	--	Mode #freenode [+v DiceBot] by OperServ
2021-06-13 07:59:50	+kaniini	i mean, i'm just talking about the good old days nirvana
2021-06-13 07:59:50	wodencafe	root: "foss isn't the end game.  foss is a means to an end - to freedom" What happened with this though? https://freenode.net/news/for-foss
2021-06-13 07:59:54	Adran	DiceBot?
2021-06-13 07:59:59	wodencafe	Did the stance on "Freenode exists for FOSS" change in the last two weeks?
2021-06-13 08:00:05	@Foxy	!roulette
2021-06-13 08:00:05	+DiceBot	Starting roll, type !roll - you have 30 seconds
2021-06-13 08:00:08	@TheRedHorseman	!roulette
2021-06-13 08:00:08	+DiceBot	In a roulette right now.
2021-06-13 08:00:12	@TheRedHorseman	!roll
2021-06-13 08:00:12	+DiceBot	TheRedHorseman: 15 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:00:12	@Foxy	!roll
2021-06-13 08:00:12	+DiceBot	Foxy: 87 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:00:14	+kaniini	wow
2021-06-13 08:00:14	@root	!roll
2021-06-13 08:00:14	+DiceBot	root: 35 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:00:16	KindOne	!roll
2021-06-13 08:00:16	+kaniini	gambling node
2021-06-13 08:00:17	Adran	are all these bots literally the same nodejs bot
2021-06-13 08:00:18	Adran	lol
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2021-06-13 08:00:25	+kaniini	probably Adran
2021-06-13 08:00:32	Adran	that have the same bugs in them :(
2021-06-13 08:00:34	parviscient	wodencafe: I'm sure the blog posts will be redacted in due time
2021-06-13 08:00:35	+DiceBot	Roulette ended.
2021-06-13 08:00:35	+DiceBot	The winner is Foxy with a score of 87
2021-06-13 08:00:36	+kaniini	maybe root will find out about package.json someday
2021-06-13 08:00:44	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, Foxy will answer your question.
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2021-06-13 08:00:56	+kaniini	foxy, so doxy
2021-06-13 08:00:58	+kaniini	or so i hear
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2021-06-13 08:01:07	KindOne	HA
2021-06-13 08:01:15	←	wodencafe (wodencafe@woden.cafe) has quit (Killed (sorcerer (are you here for the dramaz)))
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2021-06-13 08:01:29	kaniini	wow
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2021-06-13 08:01:53	@root	!roulette
2021-06-13 08:01:53	+DiceBot	Starting roll, type !roll - you have 30 seconds
2021-06-13 08:01:56	kaniini	thats such a cool trick
2021-06-13 08:01:56	@nirvana	!roll
2021-06-13 08:01:56	+DiceBot	nirvana: 12 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:01:59	@root	!roll
2021-06-13 08:01:59	+DiceBot	root: 67 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:02:03	@TheRedHorseman	!roll
2021-06-13 08:02:03	+DiceBot	TheRedHorseman: 59 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:02:13	@Foxy	!roll
2021-06-13 08:02:13	+DiceBot	Foxy: 20 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:02:23	+DiceBot	Roulette ended.
2021-06-13 08:02:23	+DiceBot	The winner is root with a score of 67
2021-06-13 08:02:23	Adran	!help
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2021-06-13 08:02:36	@nirvana	what did you win
2021-06-13 08:02:43	luk3yx	!roll
2021-06-13 08:02:49	kaniini	i dunno, what did he win
2021-06-13 08:02:49	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, can you please sit on the chair above the dunk tank?
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2021-06-13 08:02:59	kaniini	nah i'm good
2021-06-13 08:02:59	@Foxy	lol
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2021-06-13 08:03:08	@nirvana	!roulette
2021-06-13 08:03:08	+DiceBot	Starting roll, type !roll - you have 30 seconds
2021-06-13 08:03:10	@TheRedHorseman	!roll
2021-06-13 08:03:10	+DiceBot	TheRedHorseman: 23 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:03:11	@nirvana	!roll
2021-06-13 08:03:11	+DiceBot	nirvana: 48 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:03:12	@Foxy	!roll
2021-06-13 08:03:12	+DiceBot	Foxy: 5 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:03:12	@root	`!roll
2021-06-13 08:03:14	@root	!roll
2021-06-13 08:03:14	+DiceBot	root: 100 out of 100
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2021-06-13 08:03:34	ekaj	Are you unironically playing roulette in the #freenode channel?
2021-06-13 08:03:38	+DiceBot	Roulette ended.
2021-06-13 08:03:38	+DiceBot	The winner is root with a score of 100
2021-06-13 08:03:40	chandel	so if this isn't abusive, what the fuck did fuchs do that got you to comment on it?
2021-06-13 08:03:41	kaniini	for the right to kill people
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2021-06-13 08:03:46	kaniini	amazing
2021-06-13 08:03:50	luk3yx	!roulette
2021-06-13 08:03:51	dreamscached	Connections, not people.
2021-06-13 08:03:51	@nirvana	it has been decided
2021-06-13 08:03:55	dreamscached	If they killed you, well...
2021-06-13 08:04:03	@TheRedHorseman	TWO MEN ENTER, ONE MAN LEAVES
2021-06-13 08:04:04	@TheRedHorseman	TWO MEN ENTER, ONE MAN LEAVES
2021-06-13 08:04:17	kaniini	TheRedHorseman: i mean i offered to set up a bout on PPV
2021-06-13 08:04:18	luk3yx	Welcome back a1
2021-06-13 08:04:22	kaniini	root didn't want to
2021-06-13 08:04:23	a1	thanks
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2021-06-13 08:04:43	Adran	are you guys doing network kills for fun? wtf
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2021-06-13 08:04:54	kaniini	yeah i bet you've wanted to do that for a while nirvana
2021-06-13 08:04:56	kaniini	did it feel good
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2021-06-13 08:05:02	@nirvana	not really
2021-06-13 08:05:13	kaniini	did you guys know that nirvana used to be a cop, until he got a DUI
2021-06-13 08:05:23	@root	!roulette
2021-06-13 08:05:23	+DiceBot	Starting roll, type !roll - you have 30 seconds
2021-06-13 08:05:25	@Foxy	so
2021-06-13 08:05:27	@sorcerer	cool story bro
2021-06-13 08:05:29	KindOne	!roll
2021-06-13 08:05:31	@root	!roll
2021-06-13 08:05:31	+DiceBot	root: 84 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:05:32	@Foxy	what's your point?
2021-06-13 08:05:36	@nirvana	!roll
2021-06-13 08:05:36	+DiceBot	nirvana: 46 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:05:38	KindOne	!roll
2021-06-13 08:05:38	@TheRedHorseman	!ROLL
2021-06-13 08:05:38	+DiceBot	TheRedHorseman: 28 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:05:39	@sorcerer	!roll
2021-06-13 08:05:39	+DiceBot	sorcerer: 29 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:05:40	KindOne	!roll
2021-06-13 08:05:40	@Foxy	!roll
2021-06-13 08:05:40	+DiceBot	Foxy: 48 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:05:42	KindOne	wtf
2021-06-13 08:05:47	kaniini	well my point was that he used to threaten cop shit against his users on Snoonet
2021-06-13 08:05:53	+DiceBot	Roulette ended.
2021-06-13 08:05:53	+DiceBot	The winner is root with a score of 84
2021-06-13 08:05:53	@nirvana	no, I didn't
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2021-06-13 08:05:58	ErrantEgo	ahhh the professionalism went out the window, i see
2021-06-13 08:06:00	@sorcerer	cool story bro
2021-06-13 08:06:01	@nirvana	and I'd appreciate not being picked on/lied about
2021-06-13 08:06:02	 *	ErrantEgo scratches his head
2021-06-13 08:06:04	@root	Fate has spoken.
2021-06-13 08:06:09	@sorcerer	hes fragile ya know
2021-06-13 08:06:12	@sorcerer	quit bullying nirvana
2021-06-13 08:06:21	malign	Cue the COPS theme song. xD
2021-06-13 08:06:23	@sorcerer	STOP THE HATE
2021-06-13 08:06:30	@Foxy	you can be sued for defamation of character
2021-06-13 08:06:34	@nirvana	this chan sux im going to the music one
2021-06-13 08:06:42	@root	It's time to make freenode great again.
2021-06-13 08:06:49	kaniini	yeah?
2021-06-13 08:06:58	kaniini	you've certainly made it something
2021-06-13 08:07:02	a1	You're restoring the old opers?!
2021-06-13 08:07:11	--	Mode #freenode [+b *!*@37.ip-167-114-144.net] by Foxy
2021-06-13 08:07:17	--	Mode #freenode [+v kaniini] by root
2021-06-13 08:07:25	+Hash	Hello. May I request proper access for #gnu to set topic and do channel custodian tasks
2021-06-13 08:07:27	+kaniini	why do you keep voicing me
2021-06-13 08:07:33	+Hash	I have +Oo but I think it isn't enough.
2021-06-13 08:07:40	chandel	so you can tell us stories
2021-06-13 08:07:42	--	Mode #freenode [+kik ban ban] by Foxy
2021-06-13 08:07:42	--	Mode #freenode [-kio * Foxy] by Speakz
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2021-06-13 08:08:00	@nirvana	o_O
2021-06-13 08:08:07	KindOne	staff cant irc
2021-06-13 08:08:09	@TheRedHorseman	chandel shot the sheriff....but she did not shoot the deputy
2021-06-13 08:08:11	+kaniini	apparently not
2021-06-13 08:08:12	ErrantEgo	haha
2021-06-13 08:08:17	@nirvana	hahah no they cant
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2021-06-13 08:08:24	+kaniini	chris, buddy, that joke doesn't even make sense
2021-06-13 08:08:41	@TheRedHorseman	https://youtu.be/L0xLLPJ0bOw
2021-06-13 08:08:45	chandel	why are you assuming i'm a girl?
2021-06-13 08:08:47	+kaniini	i'm just here to participate in some ritual defamation
2021-06-13 08:08:49	@root	kaniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2021-06-13 08:08:52	 *	TheRedHorseman dances
2021-06-13 08:08:58	ErrantEgo	o_O
2021-06-13 08:09:00	 *	TheRedHorseman dances a little more to the left
2021-06-13 08:09:12	 *	TheRedHorseman dances a little to the right
2021-06-13 08:09:15	+kaniini	so when are you going to upgrade to inspircd
2021-06-13 08:09:28	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, just a moment please.  We need to process your question so that it can be answered by the appropriate staff.
2021-06-13 08:09:31	 *	ErrantEgo plays the cha cha slide
2021-06-13 08:09:39	@TheRedHorseman	!roulette
2021-06-13 08:09:39	+DiceBot	Starting roll, type !roll - you have 30 seconds
2021-06-13 08:09:42	@TheRedHorseman	!roll
2021-06-13 08:09:43	+DiceBot	TheRedHorseman: 41 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:09:44	malign	lol. cha cha slide.
2021-06-13 08:09:57	+kaniini	chris, buddy, that joke is also old
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2021-06-13 08:10:02	mukti	!roll
2021-06-13 08:10:09	+DiceBot	Roulette ended.
2021-06-13 08:10:09	+DiceBot	The winner is TheRedHorseman with a score of 41
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2021-06-13 08:10:42	@root	kaniini: We're fixing it real quick, and then moving.
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2021-06-13 08:10:52	luk3yx	!roulette
2021-06-13 08:11:25	@nirvana	hey can we make it open for them
2021-06-13 08:11:37	@TheRedHorseman	POWER TO THE PEOPLE
2021-06-13 08:11:55	@TheRedHorseman	#MFGA
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2021-06-13 08:14:59	@sorcerer	whys it so quiet in here now
2021-06-13 08:15:01	@sorcerer	:\
2021-06-13 08:15:14	parviscient	because everybody who talks gets k-lined
2021-06-13 08:15:22	a1	i think parviscient is on to something..
2021-06-13 08:15:24	@sorcerer	oh oh that sounds like fun
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2021-06-13 08:15:36	@sorcerer	can i play too
2021-06-13 08:15:45	ErrantEgo	yeah you people have klined everyone
2021-06-13 08:15:49	a1	sure if you want to drive the network into the ground some more
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2021-06-13 08:15:55	ErrantEgo	no one is here to enjoy the fun
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2021-06-13 08:16:37	kaniini	what a great new format
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2021-06-13 08:16:46	+kaniini	are you going for an efnet
2021-06-13 08:16:48	+kaniini	or a dalnet format
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2021-06-13 08:17:40	luk3yx	Why was mlu banned? For saying they're disappointed?
2021-06-13 08:17:44	@sorcerer	i was thinking a meet in the middle
2021-06-13 08:17:49	altwulf	FN staff is telling people not to post logs?
2021-06-13 08:17:52	tdr	oh oh efnet please ... and can someone reboot eris and name it eris-is-free-net ?
2021-06-13 08:17:58	@sorcerer	efnet meets dalnet
2021-06-13 08:18:02	a1	altwulf what makes you say that?
2021-06-13 08:18:14	@nirvana	IT COULD HAVE HAD SOME IRCX IN IT
2021-06-13 08:18:18	@nirvana	just sayin...
2021-06-13 08:18:18	altwulf	I didn't say anything. I asked.
2021-06-13 08:18:34	+kaniini	nirvana: yeah, ophion is now under the "anybody but andrew lee" license, sorry
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2021-06-13 08:18:43	@nirvana	hahah
2021-06-13 08:18:45	a1	Well, asking something is still saying something. And if you had that question, something prompted you to ask that question
2021-06-13 08:18:47	@root	kaniini: we are doing it better, dont worry.
2021-06-13 08:19:05	+kaniini	yeah im sure
2021-06-13 08:19:07	+kaniini	with inspircd
2021-06-13 08:19:18	+kaniini	you'll do it gr8
2021-06-13 08:19:21	+kaniini	super great
2021-06-13 08:19:47	+kaniini	nirvana btw
2021-06-13 08:19:51	@TheRedHorseman	it's important to have a gym membership when you get mad
2021-06-13 08:19:52	@nirvana	what
2021-06-13 08:19:56	+kaniini	nirvana: my people want to know, what your irc.msn.com nick was
2021-06-13 08:20:13	@nirvana	yo pplz?
2021-06-13 08:20:17	+kaniini	my peepz
2021-06-13 08:20:21	@sorcerer	kaniini: what wuz theyz name
2021-06-13 08:20:24	@nirvana	we dem boiz type stuff?
2021-06-13 08:20:25	@nirvana	or like
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2021-06-13 08:20:27	+kaniini	the #r00t crowd
2021-06-13 08:20:28	@nirvana	we dem trollz
2021-06-13 08:20:30	+kaniini	u know them
2021-06-13 08:20:37	@sorcerer	thats not a nickname
2021-06-13 08:20:40	@nirvana	slugger i think
2021-06-13 08:20:43	@TheRedHorseman	who is the #r00t crowd
2021-06-13 08:20:44	@sorcerer	channel do sound familiar tho
2021-06-13 08:20:51	@TheRedHorseman	that sounds ominous af
2021-06-13 08:20:59	+kaniini	bruh you must have come after microsoft started requiring passport
2021-06-13 08:20:59	KindOne	no it don't
2021-06-13 08:21:03	+kaniini	to connect to irc.msn.com
2021-06-13 08:21:04	@TheRedHorseman	are they like professional defamers or something
2021-06-13 08:21:07	@sorcerer	i hung around chameleon from intercore a lil bit, does that count?
2021-06-13 08:21:14	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: oh yes, the most ritualistic of them all
2021-06-13 08:21:16	@nirvana	nah it was irc.msn.com then became the webchat
2021-06-13 08:21:27	@nirvana	then people figured out how to connect irc clients to it
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2021-06-13 08:22:14	@TheRedHorseman	while unsuccessful, kaniini, i find your attempt to recast adjectives as negative associative labels to be clever
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2021-06-13 08:22:24	--	root has changed topic for #freenode from "Welcome to freenode. For channel, nickname and general help, please join #help. | For an IRC Operator, please msg an operator for help. | BBS at #freenode-bbs and Jobs at #freenode-jobs | https://freenode.net/" to "Go to #help for help | freenode chit chat. no spam. | #freenode-bbs | #freenode-jobs | ALL HAIL KANIINI!!!!!!"
2021-06-13 08:22:25	--	ChanServ has changed topic for #freenode from "Go to #help for help | freenode chit chat. no spam. | #freenode-bbs | #freenode-jobs | ALL HAIL KANIINI!!!!!!" to "Welcome to freenode. For channel, nickname and general help, please join #help. | For an IRC Operator, please msg an operator for help. | BBS at #freenode-bbs and Jobs at #freenode-jobs | https://freenode.net/"
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2021-06-13 08:22:33	root	lol wts
2021-06-13 08:22:51	+kaniini	damn, you got rekt
2021-06-13 08:23:01	+kaniini	u gotta pimp slap chanserv with your slapping hand
2021-06-13 08:23:09	+kaniini	just like in smash or pass
2021-06-13 08:23:10	--	ChanServ has changed topic for #freenode from "Welcome to freenode. For channel, nickname and general help, please join #help. | For an IRC Operator, please msg an operator for help. | BBS at #freenode-bbs and Jobs at #freenode-jobs | https://freenode.net/" to "Go to #help for help | freenode chit chat. no spam. | #freenode-bbs | #freenode-jobs | ALL HAIL KANIINI!!!!!!"
2021-06-13 08:23:12	+kaniini	show them whose the bitch
2021-06-13 08:23:35	root	chanserv 1.
2021-06-13 08:23:37	root	root 0.
2021-06-13 08:23:44	+kaniini	its ok
2021-06-13 08:23:47	+kaniini	u can upgrade to anope
2021-06-13 08:23:49	KindOne	staff cant irc
2021-06-13 08:23:57	@nirvana	let me know when the AGI chanserv is here
2021-06-13 08:23:59	+kaniini	anope is the premium irc services
2021-06-13 08:24:02	root	luckily we are on freenode,  0 comes before 1.
2021-06-13 08:24:02	+kaniini	for inspircd
2021-06-13 08:24:13	+kaniini	o
2021-06-13 08:24:15	+kaniini	are we?
2021-06-13 08:24:34	+kaniini	 [06:24] [+kaniini(+RZi)] [2:Leenode/#leenode(+CLPcfjnst #leenode-overflow 5:10)]
2021-06-13 08:24:41	+kaniini	i've been on Leenode, dunno what this freenode shit is
2021-06-13 08:24:46	KindOne	root, /cs set #freenode topiclock off
2021-06-13 08:24:56	KindOne	;)
2021-06-13 08:25:17	+kaniini	im sure root knows how to use chanserv, he is an Oper on DALnet, the inventor of ChanServ
2021-06-13 08:25:31	a1	oh yeah?
2021-06-13 08:25:42	 *	Eris-is-linked rebases at -12
2021-06-13 08:25:47	+kaniini	/!\ THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO DALnet, irc.dal.net #computertech /!\
2021-06-13 08:26:00	root	meh
2021-06-13 08:26:03	+CrystalMath	kaniini: is #computertech real?
2021-06-13 08:26:07	+kaniini	yes
2021-06-13 08:26:12	+kaniini	his hidey hole
2021-06-13 08:26:21	a1	https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
2021-06-13 08:26:25	+CrystalMath	i've been on channels named that, but on other networks
2021-06-13 08:26:29	+CrystalMath	namely Technet
2021-06-13 08:26:33	+kaniini	computers and tech
2021-06-13 08:26:37	+kaniini	very good channel
2021-06-13 08:26:39	+kaniini	very wholesome
2021-06-13 08:26:43	+CrystalMath	ComputerTech runs Technet i think
2021-06-13 08:26:48	@nirvana	they go hand in hand
2021-06-13 08:26:53	@nirvana	lebron clap
2021-06-13 08:26:55	+kaniini	they really do nirvana
2021-06-13 08:27:07	root	a1: I can't wait till that other net hits 100000 users. :D
2021-06-13 08:27:23	+kaniini	wont happen
2021-06-13 08:27:40	+kaniini	anyway, sure
2021-06-13 08:27:43	@nirvana	thats a lot of trolls
2021-06-13 08:27:46	 *	nirvana extends light saber
2021-06-13 08:27:47	+kaniini	freenode can use ophion, under the terms of AGPL
2021-06-13 08:27:52	root	isfreenodedeadyet is a well made website
2021-06-13 08:27:57	+kaniini	the freeest license ever
2021-06-13 08:28:03	+kaniini	god i love software freedom
2021-06-13 08:28:11	oaken-source	I'm in 20 channels no freenode, none have seen more than a few messages in the last couple days. for some reason, there's not much activity left on the network. I wonder why...
2021-06-13 08:28:15	+kaniini	i love software freedom as much as root loves being an IRCop
2021-06-13 08:28:34	root	agpl isnt software frreedom.
2021-06-13 08:28:36	+CrystalMath	oaken-source: some channels are still active, some honestly never were for as long as i was here
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2021-06-13 08:28:46	root	but thats pretty ok for the license
2021-06-13 08:28:46	+kaniini	06:16 -!- - rinnegan.freenode.net Message of the Day -
2021-06-13 08:28:47	+kaniini	06:16 -!- - This is charybdis MOTD you might replace it, but if not your friends will
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2021-06-13 08:28:50	+kaniini	06:16 -!- - laugh at you.
2021-06-13 08:28:52	 *	kaniini laughs at root
2021-06-13 08:28:57	@nirvana	kaniini: that is pretty funny
2021-06-13 08:29:03	@nirvana	you had trolls set up
2021-06-13 08:29:04	root	nice motd
2021-06-13 08:29:05	@nirvana	back then
2021-06-13 08:29:09	@nirvana	hahaha
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2021-06-13 08:29:46	+kaniini	do u remember last summer nirvana
2021-06-13 08:29:52	+kaniini	when we all joined together in the love of IRCX
2021-06-13 08:30:04	@nirvana	yeah you were kind of nice then
2021-06-13 08:30:05	+CrystalMath	i need to try out that IRCX thing
2021-06-13 08:30:13	@nirvana	not now im surprised youre not flying around on a broom
2021-06-13 08:30:25	wodencafe	root: AnonBot really should change its readme to reflect actually being GPL rather than MIT, since it is using a GPL library (irc.js) and this requires the dependent source also be GPL.
2021-06-13 08:30:27	+kaniini	well, i mean, i have always been a witch, but i am a good witch!
2021-06-13 08:30:35	+kaniini	longtime denizen of dalnet #wicca!
2021-06-13 08:30:45	purplez	lol
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2021-06-13 08:30:52	wodencafe	root: Otherwise someone could use it, thinking it was licensed as MIT when it is actually GPL.
2021-06-13 08:31:10	wodencafe	root: This is what #gnu told me, just a heads up.
2021-06-13 08:31:18	+kaniini	lately i admittedly have been a rotten mood, something about a billionaire hostilely taking over the world i carefully put together might have something to do with it
2021-06-13 08:31:33	root	dont dowgrade me.
2021-06-13 08:31:42	+kaniini	sorry i meant trillionaire
2021-06-13 08:31:46	@nirvana	a trilli a trilli a trilli a trilli a trilli a trilli
2021-06-13 08:31:52	+kaniini	king lee!
2021-06-13 08:31:57	+kaniini	of IRC!
2021-06-13 08:31:59	+kaniini	it rhymes
2021-06-13 08:32:02	+kaniini	u should drop a mix tape
2021-06-13 08:32:07	+kaniini	i'll produce your beats
2021-06-13 08:32:19	root	send it
2021-06-13 08:32:28	@nirvana	yeah just send the demo
2021-06-13 08:32:39	+kaniini	dont fuck with me it wont even be a battle
2021-06-13 08:32:41	root	hopefully made using foss.
2021-06-13 08:32:51	+kaniini	using LMMS of course
2021-06-13 08:32:55	root	+1
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2021-06-13 08:33:06	+kaniini	gonna need some mad box
2021-06-13 08:33:09	+kaniini	...
2021-06-13 08:33:10	+kaniini	vox
2021-06-13 08:33:14	+kaniini	hahahahahaha
2021-06-13 08:33:17	@nirvana	props if you do it with cdrom ejecting sounds etc
2021-06-13 08:33:18	+kaniini	crystalmath got rekt
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2021-06-13 08:33:43	root	CrystalMath is a good person
2021-06-13 08:33:50	+kaniini	ya
2021-06-13 08:33:51	+kaniini	he really is
2021-06-13 08:33:53	+kaniini	good kid
2021-06-13 08:33:54	+kaniini	10/10
2021-06-13 08:33:56	root	+1
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2021-06-13 08:34:23	+kaniini	i had to provision an entire kubernetes container just to ban evade tho
2021-06-13 08:34:31	+kaniini	how lame is that shit
2021-06-13 08:34:35	root	:/
2021-06-13 08:34:42	@nirvana	imagine if we all just highlighted the good in things in each other and encouraged each other to do big things
2021-06-13 08:34:47	@nirvana	damn
2021-06-13 08:34:48	@nirvana	oh well
2021-06-13 08:34:51	KindOne	get a shitty isp like me, a new ip every time the modem loses connection!
2021-06-13 08:35:23	+kaniini	anyway
2021-06-13 08:35:27	+kaniini	freenode on ophion
2021-06-13 08:35:30	+kaniini	could be hilarious
2021-06-13 08:35:39	+kaniini	problem is, it puts me in a position
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2021-06-13 08:35:49	@nirvana	didnt you join for a day or something
2021-06-13 08:36:02	+kaniini	join for a day?
2021-06-13 08:36:05	@nirvana	freenode
2021-06-13 08:36:09	+kaniini	yeah i checked out the #anonchat
2021-06-13 08:36:12	+kaniini	and the bbs
2021-06-13 08:36:14	+kaniini	and the jobs
2021-06-13 08:36:18	@nirvana	no i mean freenode staff
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2021-06-13 08:36:34	+kaniini	ya i did
2021-06-13 08:36:37	+kaniini	i decided
2021-06-13 08:36:39	+kaniini	not for me
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2021-06-13 08:36:47	+kaniini	you know me nirvana
2021-06-13 08:36:53	+kaniini	i'm with the zapatistas
2021-06-13 08:36:55	+kaniini	not with the cops
2021-06-13 08:37:08	@nirvana	just stay mentally healthy im sure in 10 years when we're still on this irc stuff
2021-06-13 08:37:12	@nirvana	if anything id want that for everybody
2021-06-13 08:37:20	+kaniini	if you want to know my thoughts on irc governance,
2021-06-13 08:37:21	+kaniini	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y2xXtcsEPg
2021-06-13 08:37:21	pseudo	&quot;Himno Zapatista&quot; - Anthem of the Zapatistas - YouTube
2021-06-13 08:37:26	@TheRedHorseman	oh right those are the culture segments that think street fighter characters are nazis
2021-06-13 08:37:26	+kaniini	hell yeah pseudo
2021-06-13 08:37:38	@nirvana	hadoukken~
2021-06-13 08:37:39	+kaniini	the what?
2021-06-13 08:38:05	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: the zapatistas are an indigenous group in southern mexico that drove out the state and cartels
2021-06-13 08:38:11	+kaniini	and live in a communist utopia
2021-06-13 08:38:20	@TheRedHorseman	oh so they don't think street fighter characters are nazis
2021-06-13 08:38:31	+kaniini	i dont even think they know what street fighter is
2021-06-13 08:38:45	@TheRedHorseman	so who do you associate with that think street fighter characters are nazis
2021-06-13 08:38:54	+kaniini	nobody as far as i know
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2021-06-13 08:39:06	+kaniini	but i am enjoying your ritual defamation of me
2021-06-13 08:39:24	+kaniini	let us ritually defame each other, and then we can go out for breakfast after ❤️
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2021-06-13 08:39:34	root	wut ritual defamation
2021-06-13 08:39:45	root	no ritual defamation. kaniini is amazing.
2021-06-13 08:39:55	+kaniini	am i?
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2021-06-13 08:40:00	+kaniini	i didn't prevent this from happening
2021-06-13 08:40:07	+kaniini	gonna have to take an L on that one
2021-06-13 08:40:08	root	what from happening
2021-06-13 08:40:08	+kaniini	yes sir
2021-06-13 08:40:16	+kaniini	your hostile takeover of leenode
2021-06-13 08:40:21	root	lol
2021-06-13 08:40:24	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, <Ariadne> a literal neo nazi as staff
2021-06-13 08:40:25	@nirvana	actually, it wasnt a hostile takeover
2021-06-13 08:40:31	ErrantEgo	orly
2021-06-13 08:40:35	@TheRedHorseman	literally your exact words lol
2021-06-13 08:40:35	@nirvana	theres these little variables called facts that nobody seems to have
2021-06-13 08:40:44	root	imagine if you could jsut hostile takeover something in 2021 cuz u want to lol
2021-06-13 08:40:49	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: o i didnt know the red horseman was a streetfighter char
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2021-06-13 08:40:52	ErrantEgo	what exactly would you call it?
2021-06-13 08:40:58	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: i'm more of a killer instinct kinda gal
2021-06-13 08:41:00	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, huh?
2021-06-13 08:41:04	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: on oldschool SNK cabinets
2021-06-13 08:41:08	malign	nirvana:  facts are so oppressive that one literally can't even. :P
2021-06-13 08:41:11	RayTracer	what happened to ##linux?
2021-06-13 08:41:16	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, The Red Horseman is a biblical character holy smackola
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2021-06-13 08:41:23	+kaniini	it was made great again RayTracer
2021-06-13 08:41:29	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: oh, sorry, i'm not white so i didn't know
2021-06-13 08:41:37	root	RayTracer: Some people were complaining about 'pound pound' being some kinda bad thing
2021-06-13 08:41:38	a1	RayTracer they moved to Libera, refer to the info on their website at linux.chat
2021-06-13 08:41:41	@TheRedHorseman	street fighter character == nazi == revelations reference
2021-06-13 08:41:44	root	you. know those code of conduct warriors
2021-06-13 08:41:45	Eris-is-linked	ErrantEgo, rancid tuna, all of it
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2021-06-13 08:42:03	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman do you want to play street fighter is that what all of this is about
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2021-06-13 08:42:23	@TheRedHorseman	no i was always a tekken player
2021-06-13 08:42:31	@TheRedHorseman	unbeatable at tekken 3
2021-06-13 08:42:34	RayTracer	root: "some people" are enough to rename a channel?
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2021-06-13 08:42:38	+kaniini	i can respect
2021-06-13 08:42:45	+Hash	TheRedHorseman: I challenge you to Mortal Tekken 3
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2021-06-13 08:42:52	+kaniini	mortal tekken 3
2021-06-13 08:42:56	+Hash	Dr. Boskonovitch or Eddy Gordo
2021-06-13 08:42:57	+kaniini	is that where the loser gets shot
2021-06-13 08:43:07	root	RayTracer: You know how it goes. These Code of Conduct warriors are crazy.  Cancel culture.
2021-06-13 08:43:08	+Hash	I dunno
2021-06-13 08:43:12	@TheRedHorseman	no i dont play competitively, no one should wield that much power
2021-06-13 08:43:14	+kaniini	hell yeah
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2021-06-13 08:43:17	+kaniini	code of conduct WARRIORS
2021-06-13 08:43:22	+kaniini	out in the street
2021-06-13 08:43:26	+kaniini	with big huge swords
2021-06-13 08:43:29	+kaniini	like INUYASHA
2021-06-13 08:43:31	Eris-is-linked	code of conduct ensures some psycho with a checkbook can't win a war
2021-06-13 08:43:33	 *	kaniini shakes in fear
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2021-06-13 08:43:49	@TheRedHorseman	yeah the CoC is a clear indicator of infected foss projects
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2021-06-13 08:44:11	RayTracer	root: sorry I don't know how it goes.. which CoC, which change, which people?
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2021-06-13 08:44:23	+Hash	Tekken 1 I never played, I stared with 2, then 3, then tag, then 4,5,6. skipped a few. KOF, SF, MK, Art of fighting, and tekken my favorites
2021-06-13 08:44:30	@TheRedHorseman	its like a litmus test of "does toxic shit happen here that targets demographics not socially empowered by modern movements"
2021-06-13 08:44:38	+Hash	never got into vitua fighter or dead or alive stuff
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2021-06-13 08:44:50	+Hash	toshinden was cool. Toshinden battle arena
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2021-06-13 08:44:54	+kaniini	oh right
2021-06-13 08:45:00	+kaniini	we're using cool hax nicknames arent we
2021-06-13 08:45:02	+kaniini	like root
2021-06-13 08:45:16	+kaniini	gotta get in the mood
2021-06-13 08:45:33	+Hash	I also am known for long time as
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2021-06-13 08:46:22	kaniini	thanks elon
2021-06-13 08:46:37	--	Mode #freenode [+v kaniini] by root
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2021-06-13 08:46:49	KindOne	get a better isp?
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2021-06-13 08:47:07	+chmod	I used to be grep once upon a time. Hehe
2021-06-13 08:47:13	+kaniini	KindOne: the competition is ViaSat!
2021-06-13 08:47:17	+chmod	I also am chown sometimes.
2021-06-13 08:47:18	@TheRedHorseman	KindOne, aren't you k-lined?
2021-06-13 08:47:23	+chmod	But mostly Hash
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2021-06-13 08:47:32	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: well, you know, sometimes you just powercycle and get a new ip
2021-06-13 08:47:38	@v8	lol bans
2021-06-13 08:47:50	@TheRedHorseman	!roulette
2021-06-13 08:47:50	+DiceBot	Starting roll, type !roll - you have 30 seconds
2021-06-13 08:47:54	@TheRedHorseman	!roll
2021-06-13 08:47:54	+DiceBot	TheRedHorseman: 80 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:48:13	Foxy	!roll
2021-06-13 08:48:13	+DiceBot	Foxy: 88 out of 100
2021-06-13 08:48:20	+DiceBot	Roulette ended.
2021-06-13 08:48:20	+DiceBot	The winner is Foxy with a score of 88
2021-06-13 08:48:23	KindOne	TheRedHorseman: I don't ban evade. My previous K-Line was removed a few hours later via emailing support@
2021-06-13 08:48:25	@TheRedHorseman	Bye KindOne
2021-06-13 08:48:40	+kaniini	looks like
2021-06-13 08:48:46	+kaniini	they dont care KindOne
2021-06-13 08:48:53	+kaniini	its all about being IRC COPS over here
2021-06-13 08:49:00	+kaniini	root i have a business proposition
2021-06-13 08:49:17	+kaniini	i have some buds who can pitch a reality show based on freenode
2021-06-13 08:49:21	+kaniini	to A&E networks
2021-06-13 08:49:23	luk3yx	!roulette
2021-06-13 08:49:27	+kaniini	we can call it Live IRC
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2021-06-13 08:49:37	root	T_T
2021-06-13 08:49:48	+kaniini	btw
2021-06-13 08:49:49	+kaniini	01:18:28 AM <@root> stonecold: Hope you're not too tied to that phone number. ;)
2021-06-13 08:49:52	+kaniini	what was this about?
2021-06-13 08:50:02	@nirvana	what do you think its about?
2021-06-13 08:50:03	+kaniini	do i need to report porting fraud to the FCC?
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2021-06-13 08:50:24	root	kaniini: false reporting is probably fraud.
2021-06-13 08:50:29	root	be very very careful ;)
2021-06-13 08:50:32	Foxy	^^
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2021-06-13 08:50:37	+kaniini	i mean
2021-06-13 08:50:37	@TheRedHorseman	porting fraud is that like when someone manages a services suite for 10 years and never bothered to implement a makefile
2021-06-13 08:50:40	+kaniini	i was just wondering
2021-06-13 08:50:56	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: atheme has plenty of makefiles?
2021-06-13 08:51:21	+kaniini	would you like me to walk you through them?
2021-06-13 08:51:34	+kaniini	first there's atheme/Makefile, which defines a bunch of subdirs
2021-06-13 08:51:40	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, fair, i was thinking about ircd-seven and talking about atheme, I apologize for dogging on the wrong person.
2021-06-13 08:52:02	+kaniini	have you considered running autogen.sh?
2021-06-13 08:52:15	@TheRedHorseman	why can't you just build a makefile like a normal human
2021-06-13 08:52:22	+kaniini	i mean, we do
2021-06-13 08:52:25	+kaniini	we use autotools
2021-06-13 08:52:28	@TheRedHorseman	nobody uses autogen dude
2021-06-13 08:52:31	+kaniini	like every other FOSS project
2021-06-13 08:52:35	+kaniini	in 2000s
2021-06-13 08:52:35	@TheRedHorseman	nah its obscure
2021-06-13 08:52:40	a1	reading is hard kaniini
2021-06-13 08:52:45	+kaniini	GNU autoconf is obscure?
2021-06-13 08:53:09	root	hmm
2021-06-13 08:53:09	@TheRedHorseman	yes people just don't use it much, and its completely unnecessary
2021-06-13 08:53:12	oaken-source	I like autoconf.
2021-06-13 08:53:14	root	cmake
2021-06-13 08:53:20	@TheRedHorseman	cmake is nice and modern
2021-06-13 08:53:23	oaken-source	cmake is just ugh.
2021-06-13 08:53:25	@TheRedHorseman	what
2021-06-13 08:53:31	+kaniini	i mean, 90% of the packages in alpine are built with autoconf?
2021-06-13 08:53:52	@TheRedHorseman	yeah see, you did that to them
2021-06-13 08:54:03	john12335	TheRedHorseman: cmake is outdated, meson is the new shit.
2021-06-13 08:54:15	@TheRedHorseman	doesn't meson have perl dependencies?  i'd have to check
2021-06-13 08:54:24	+kaniini	for meson is python
2021-06-13 08:54:26	+kaniini	...
2021-06-13 08:54:29	+kaniini	meson is python
2021-06-13 08:55:08	@TheRedHorseman	yeah i mean
2021-06-13 08:55:11	@TheRedHorseman	you guys see new
2021-06-13 08:55:18	@TheRedHorseman	i see a solution looking for a problem there
2021-06-13 08:55:33	+kaniini	fascinating
2021-06-13 08:55:45	oaken-source	the same could be said for cmake
2021-06-13 08:56:04	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: how is Surro
2021-06-13 08:56:07	a1	Hash that's not very diplomatic of you
2021-06-13 08:56:31	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, distracted and slow
2021-06-13 08:56:43	root	hmm a1 is ban evading.
2021-06-13 08:56:48	a1	fake news
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2021-06-13 08:56:55	+kaniini	who here isnt
2021-06-13 08:56:59	+kaniini	ban evading at this point
2021-06-13 08:57:01	oaken-source	me
2021-06-13 08:57:08	root	i think its just kaniini
2021-06-13 08:57:09	RayTracer	freenode staff, why are you doing this? is your goal to have a small as possible user number?
2021-06-13 08:57:13	root	and a1
2021-06-13 08:57:20	bigfoot547	why are people voiced in #freenode? this hasn't happened for 15 years!
2021-06-13 08:57:25	+kaniini	RayTracer: well inspircd uses a lot of ram per user
2021-06-13 08:57:32	+kaniini	RayTracer: so reducing the user count will optimize the ram usage
2021-06-13 08:57:39	@TheRedHorseman	lol
2021-06-13 08:57:41	bigfoot547	^^^ you're on the money
2021-06-13 08:57:49	Foxy	lol
2021-06-13 08:57:53	root	nice
2021-06-13 08:58:05	bigfoot547	just start dlining large ranges to get that memory usage back to a manageable level
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2021-06-13 08:58:51	@TheRedHorseman	in all fairness both inspircd's and anope's codebase are gorgeous compared to ircd-seven and atheme
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2021-06-13 08:59:17	@TheRedHorseman	like you can just tell its more thought out by the elegant organization of the code
2021-06-13 08:59:28	+kaniini	hell yeah
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2021-06-13 08:59:36	bigfoot547	yeah inspircd
2021-06-13 08:59:41	bigfoot547	li is here to tell us how good inspircd is
2021-06-13 08:59:41	@TheRedHorseman	it really is something else
2021-06-13 09:00:08	li	bigfoot547: Lol, I'm a different li
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2021-06-13 09:00:11	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: i mean, basically, i took a C programming class in college in order to fix freenode's IRCD
2021-06-13 09:00:12	bigfoot547	fuck
2021-06-13 09:00:20	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: it probably shows that i don't know what i'm doing :(
2021-06-13 09:00:32	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, i wasn't going to say it that harshly
2021-06-13 09:00:40	+kaniini	its ok, its true
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2021-06-13 09:01:13	+kaniini	where do you think the staff can't code meme came from
2021-06-13 09:01:16	 *	kaniini can't code
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2021-06-13 09:01:41	b1	man it took you all a long time to freeze a nickname, good job
2021-06-13 09:01:52	+kaniini	but i am sure freenode has world class dev team with TheRedHorseman and root
2021-06-13 09:02:02	+kaniini	they will be able to rewrite all of my shit code
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2021-06-13 09:02:57	root	how do you programming
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2021-06-13 09:03:08	@TheRedHorseman	hey its wigums
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2021-06-13 09:03:33	+kaniini	root: well i just smash on my keyboard and then it eventually compiles
2021-06-13 09:04:00	root	very interesting
2021-06-13 09:04:02	+kaniini	i don't know what any of this stuff like `const char *` or whatever means
2021-06-13 09:04:05	+kaniini	can u teach me
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2021-06-13 09:04:19	root	what the, is that like some kind of constellation?
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2021-06-13 09:04:53	+kaniini	i mean thats what i always thought
2021-06-13 09:05:02	moonbather	Hi, ##palemoon and #binaryoutcast are violating policy, please take action
2021-06-13 09:05:04	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, the primitives are the easy part.  the complex stuff is navigating the circuitous syntax features that get introduced in modern standards
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2021-06-13 09:05:25	@TheRedHorseman	and the almost unreadable results they can produce
2021-06-13 09:05:26	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: well first you have to cast a circle
2021-06-13 09:05:47	+kaniini	coding and wicca are both magic, you see
2021-06-13 09:06:13	@TheRedHorseman	in some cases yeah, like depending on undefined behaviour
2021-06-13 09:06:19	@TheRedHorseman	that shit is magic
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2021-06-13 09:06:47	+kaniini	like how do you even check if a number is even or odd
2021-06-13 09:06:56	+kaniini	the answer is you use a circular dependency
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2021-06-13 09:07:24	+kaniini	an even number is one which is not odd, and an odd number is one which is not even
2021-06-13 09:07:39	root	whats even or odd
2021-06-13 09:07:50	+kaniini	so, if we declare isEven as a functor that checks x == 0 && !isOdd x - 1
2021-06-13 09:08:01	root	that sounds offensive tbh
2021-06-13 09:08:15	@TheRedHorseman	profanity is offtopic in #freenode
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2021-06-13 09:08:20	+kaniini	and, isOdd as a functor that checks x <> 0 && isEven x - 1
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2021-06-13 09:08:30	+kaniini	we can check if a number is even or odd
2021-06-13 09:08:32	agynarious	kaniini: it's hard, don't reinvent the wheel. https://www.npmjs.com/package/@extra-number/is-odd
2021-06-13 09:08:38	+kaniini	this is a very important routine for ircd coding
2021-06-13 09:08:54	@TheRedHorseman	i want to make fun of this but im worried she might be making fun of my #old_code somewhere
2021-06-13 09:08:59	hmmmmm	yeah but that's slow, why would you use an O(n) function for that
2021-06-13 09:09:11	hmmmmm	it's one bit
2021-06-13 09:09:19	+kaniini	hmmmmm: the O(n) nature is so that you gather enough entropy to cast the spell
2021-06-13 09:09:24	hmmmmm	i see
2021-06-13 09:09:43	@TheRedHorseman	you dont know humility until after your first code review
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2021-06-13 09:10:37	+kaniini	hmmmmm: like with humans and mana, computers need sufficient entropy in order to cast the spell
2021-06-13 09:10:38	root	i guess sadie gets these msgs
2021-06-13 09:10:56	+kaniini	i hear sadie didn't put u on her 0day list
2021-06-13 09:10:59	root	dont worrie sadie, we'll fix anope and inspircd you did well
2021-06-13 09:11:08	+kaniini	ya i bet u will
2021-06-13 09:11:11	root	its time to take irc further.
2021-06-13 09:11:13	+kaniini	u will fix it rly good
2021-06-13 09:11:54	@TheRedHorseman	i never gamble on something i didn't fix.
2021-06-13 09:12:02	a1	kaniini: look how much further they're taking it https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
2021-06-13 09:12:32	+kaniini	TheRedHorseman: ya gambling on stuff that is rigged is always better
2021-06-13 09:12:41	+kaniini	but you dont get the rush
2021-06-13 09:13:10	+kaniini	48348 users man
2021-06-13 09:13:15	+kaniini	u gotta get your numbers up
2021-06-13 09:13:19	+kaniini	this is amateur shit
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2021-06-13 09:13:50	agynarious	noone cares about numbers --- https://freenode.net/news/for-foss
2021-06-13 09:13:55	+kaniini	hell ya
2021-06-13 09:13:58	+kaniini	freenode is for FOSS
2021-06-13 09:14:06	john12335	*shudder*
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2021-06-13 09:14:13	+kaniini	and FOSS is FREEDOM
2021-06-13 09:14:25	AppleGNU	Freenode is for the Mac!
2021-06-13 09:14:26	AppleGNU	hi
2021-06-13 09:14:31	+kaniini	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr_OpFxCx-A
2021-06-13 09:14:32	pseudo	Braveheart (3/9) Movie CLIP - They Will Never Take Our Freedom (1995) HD - YouTube
2021-06-13 09:14:34	@TheRedHorseman	kaniini, you seem very pragmatic to solutions but I would wager that you struggle with paradigm shifts in unfolding circumstances.
2021-06-13 09:14:54	@nirvana	i prefer multidimensional shifts
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2021-06-13 09:15:21	agynarious	"unfolding circumstances" -- this is when a crane becomes a flat sheet of paper, right?
2021-06-13 09:15:35	@TheRedHorseman	agynarious, well, kind of, yeah.
2021-06-13 09:15:39	oaken-source	I hear that's an ancient art form
2021-06-13 09:15:42	john12335	TheRedHorseman, nirvana: Could you guys shift me off the network with a k-line please?
2021-06-13 09:15:45	@nirvana	from 3d to 2d
2021-06-13 09:15:46	@TheRedHorseman	or a game of chess that becomes checkers midway through.
2021-06-13 09:15:52	oaken-source	but it died out when paper cranes went extinct
2021-06-13 09:16:12	@TheRedHorseman	oaken-source, ah, yes, I remember, the great poaching season of 1994.
2021-06-13 09:16:25	@TheRedHorseman	all those paper cranes lain out on the beaches
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2021-06-13 09:16:50	+kaniini	nirvana: i'm more about the 5d time cube myself
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2021-06-13 09:17:26	@TheRedHorseman	i always felt cheated that the 3 layer chess that spock and kirk play in star trek never was mainstreamed
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2021-06-13 09:19:55	mst	huh, the ##linux from people who decided to stay has disappeared
2021-06-13 09:19:58	+kaniini	guys lets talk about IRCX
2021-06-13 09:20:10	+kaniini	nirvana: what do u love most about IRCX
2021-06-13 09:20:35	←	nirvana has kicked kaniini (/access add #chan op but you should have made everything certfp)
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2021-06-13 09:20:48	kaniini	v rude
2021-06-13 09:21:06	agynarious	mst: https://linux.chat/linux-on-freenode/
2021-06-13 09:21:24	phoe	TheRedHorseman: the paradigm shift so far seems to be Freenode ceasing to be an IRC network for practical uses and instead becoming a hub for related toy projects like bbs, chit, jobs, bnc*, anonchan, and what else is going to pop up
2021-06-13 09:21:38	phoe	*this one is actually the one that's useful
2021-06-13 09:21:38	mst	the own goals just keep coming, it seems
2021-06-13 09:21:40	a1	phoe: pissnet has better FOSS representation
2021-06-13 09:21:41	kaniini	u know
2021-06-13 09:21:42	kaniini	chit
2021-06-13 09:21:45	kaniini	rhymes with
2021-06-13 09:21:45	kaniini	shit
2021-06-13 09:21:47	kaniini	right
2021-06-13 09:21:52	@nirvana	Shoot the chit
2021-06-13 09:21:56	kaniini	hell ya
2021-06-13 09:22:03	d1	pissnet loves FOSS and projects
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2021-06-13 09:22:16	kaniini	i only go to pissnet for the water sports
2021-06-13 09:22:39	agynarious	https://chit.freenode.net/u/rasengan/1.html
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2021-06-13 09:23:16	kaniini	nirvana: when are u gonna link to pissnet
2021-06-13 09:23:22	@nirvana	lol
2021-06-13 09:23:26	@nirvana	that would be ironic
2021-06-13 09:23:27	@nirvana	what ircd
2021-06-13 09:23:36	phoe	scaring most of the projects off the network by accidental channel takeovers and an accidental irccloud blanket ban is among the stuff that prevents "practical uses" since I can't imagine a project that is up for ending up being hit by an accident like that
2021-06-13 09:23:49	a1	kaniini please, pissnet has standards
2021-06-13 09:23:53	kaniini	nirvana: unrealircd
2021-06-13 09:24:00	kaniini	nirvana: its like TOC but better
2021-06-13 09:24:17	+Hash	phoe: mistakes were made and rectified. People's understanding would be appreciated.
2021-06-13 09:24:20	root	what accidental irccloud blanket ban?
2021-06-13 09:24:23	root	I keep hearing about this?
2021-06-13 09:24:36	mst	I think all of irccloud got k-lined briefly - shit happens
2021-06-13 09:24:37	kaniini	more like
2021-06-13 09:24:41	kaniini	irccloud intentional ban
2021-06-13 09:24:46	kaniini	like phanes got mad
2021-06-13 09:24:46	AppleGNU	I repeatedly connect from irccloud
2021-06-13 09:24:47	root	^
2021-06-13 09:24:48	kaniini	and banned it
2021-06-13 09:24:50	root	Nah
2021-06-13 09:24:51	kaniini	thats what i heard
2021-06-13 09:24:52	root	It's intentional for sure.
2021-06-13 09:24:56	root	I think someone accidentally removed it.
2021-06-13 09:24:58	kaniini	^^^^
2021-06-13 09:25:00	mst	what
2021-06-13 09:25:06	mst	irccloud is -supposed- to be banned?
2021-06-13 09:25:07	mst	really/
2021-06-13 09:25:08	kaniini	ya
2021-06-13 09:25:10	 *	TheRedHorseman isn't the one who made that decision 
2021-06-13 09:25:12	mst	... wtaf
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2021-06-13 09:25:39	mst	is there a public statement about that anywhere?\
2021-06-13 09:25:41	AppleGNU	Who is the one who made that decision? What was the purpose?
2021-06-13 09:25:42	--	TheRedHorseman is now known as phanes
2021-06-13 09:25:59	kaniini	o ok
2021-06-13 09:26:10	kaniini	cuz u are kinda a hothead
2021-06-13 09:26:13	kaniini	just sayin'
2021-06-13 09:26:19	--	Mode #freenode [+b *!*@gateway/tor-sasl/unaffiliated] by phanes
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2021-06-13 09:26:38	kaniini	irccloud ban
2021-06-13 09:26:40	kaniini	is p cool
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2021-06-13 09:26:42	kaniini	based
2021-06-13 09:26:47	root	+1
2021-06-13 09:26:51	@phanes	I like how you defaulted to lying about me on things provably not done to me and even added motivators to it.
2021-06-13 09:26:54	kaniini	+1000000
2021-06-13 09:26:59	fling	wtf
2021-06-13 09:27:01	@phanes	It's almost like it's built into your culture or something :D
2021-06-13 09:27:14	@phanes	*done by me
2021-06-13 09:27:15	mst	phanes: what's the justification for irccloud being banned?
2021-06-13 09:27:18	kaniini	phanes: its cuz youre so cute when your mad
2021-06-13 09:27:32	kaniini	phanes: youre like inuyasha before kagome says "Sit!"
2021-06-13 09:27:33	@phanes	kaniini, hey, i've got my patterns, you've got yours
2021-06-13 09:27:56	@phanes	ironically we both seem to have learned them from the same people
2021-06-13 09:28:01	kaniini	ya
2021-06-13 09:28:05	kaniini	i wrote the book
2021-06-13 09:28:16	mst	phanes: you learn? when did that happen :D
2021-06-13 09:28:18	 *	mst runs
2021-06-13 09:28:21	@phanes	ha
2021-06-13 09:28:35	@phanes	mst, even the hardest heads learn things once in a while :)
2021-06-13 09:28:41	kaniini	freenode was a grand conspiracy from the people at the very top
2021-06-13 09:28:51	kaniini	to turn all white men into femboys
2021-06-13 09:28:54	@phanes	literlaly anything involving more than one person is a conspiracy
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2021-06-13 09:28:58	kaniini	through mental conditioning
2021-06-13 09:29:10	@nirvana	ok lets talk about computer software now
2021-06-13 09:29:12	mst	wouldn't widespread distribution of plastics in the water supply be more efficient?
2021-06-13 09:29:15	AppleGNU	nickserv was an estrogen shot all along
2021-06-13 09:29:16	@phanes	associative labels as coercion devices really should be taboo
2021-06-13 09:29:28	mst	nirvana: I'm still asking about irccloud and being ignored :(
2021-06-13 09:29:32	kaniini	i agree phanes we need more freedom
2021-06-13 09:29:33	@nirvana	before they find out hostserv is the illuminati
2021-06-13 09:29:49	@phanes	illuminati?? where??
2021-06-13 09:29:56	@nirvana	hostserv.
2021-06-13 09:30:05	mst	did you leave the illuminati down the back of the sofa again?
2021-06-13 09:30:06	kaniini	load catserv
2021-06-13 09:30:09	kaniini	its the best one
2021-06-13 09:30:14	kaniini	you msg it and it meows at you
2021-06-13 09:30:22	mst	kaniini: https://slatestarcodex.com/blog_images/slippery_slope.png
2021-06-13 09:30:22	@phanes	there's no such thing as the Illuminati btw
2021-06-13 09:30:24	@nirvana	mow
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2021-06-13 09:30:36	mst	phanes: that's exactly what I'd expect somebody covering for them to say
2021-06-13 09:30:36	kaniini	mst: exactly
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2021-06-13 09:31:21	@phanes	dude its public knowledge, the bavarian illuminati were absorbed into a random fraternity like 200 years ago
2021-06-13 09:31:41	kaniini	ya the bilderbergers are the new hotness
2021-06-13 09:31:45	mst	you've never heard of a reverse merger before?
2021-06-13 09:31:53	@phanes	mst, not what happened.  at all.
2021-06-13 09:32:07	Myrtti	ooooohhh I see. need estrogen from a bottle to get cat tail. noted
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2021-06-13 09:32:20	kaniini	phanes: you have to understand that mst is ritually defaming himself because he is not yet a girl
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2021-06-13 09:32:34	@phanes	there's that associative label device again
2021-06-13 09:32:45	@phanes	she thinks she can meme a real thing into non-existence i think
2021-06-13 09:33:24	kaniini	what
2021-06-13 09:33:31	kaniini	i'm just telling you what the freenode conspiracy was
2021-06-13 09:33:32	@phanes	i dont blame the effort, mainstreaming how these things work would destroy critical pillars of various communities
2021-06-13 09:33:37	kaniini	i should know, i architected it after all
2021-06-13 09:33:47	@phanes	lol
2021-06-13 09:33:50	mst	that explains why it didn't work properly
2021-06-13 09:33:51	@phanes	"architected"
2021-06-13 09:33:57	kaniini	mst: yep i can't code after all
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2021-06-13 09:34:01	duckgoose	hello
2021-06-13 09:34:08	@phanes	i mean that's the right word i just feel weird seeing you describe yourself as "architecting" something
2021-06-13 09:34:40	mst	kaniini: oh, wow, him, bahahahahahahahaha
2021-06-13 09:35:00	kaniini	phanes is probably right
2021-06-13 09:35:06	kaniini	i just can't design anything
2021-06-13 09:35:14	mst	one of a very small number of users I dislike to the point where I'd applaud if somebody broke all of his fingers
2021-06-13 09:35:25	kaniini	i definitely wasn't a dumbfuck kid that lilo took a shot on because i had good ideas
2021-06-13 09:35:34	@v8	kaniini: thanks, you did a good job with the architecting
2021-06-13 09:35:42	root	kaniini is good coder imo
2021-06-13 09:35:43	kaniini	v8: phanes seems to disagree
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2021-06-13 09:36:01	 *	phanes is a professional architect
2021-06-13 09:36:07	kaniini	and phanes being an expert software engineer should know good code when he sees it!
2021-06-13 09:36:12	kaniini	not bad kaniini code
2021-06-13 09:36:13	@nirvana	yeah you did a good job, I don't see anybody else saying thanks
2021-06-13 09:36:14	@nirvana	thanks
2021-06-13 09:36:19	kaniini	anope and inspircd tho
2021-06-13 09:36:22	kaniini	those are the truth
2021-06-13 09:36:24	@phanes	fo sho
2021-06-13 09:36:29	kaniini	fo shizzle
2021-06-13 09:36:45	root	thanks kaniini, i second what nirvana said.
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2021-06-13 09:39:00	kaniini	i have to say
2021-06-13 09:39:08	kaniini	i wonder what lilo would think of what you've done with the place
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2021-06-13 09:39:19	kaniini	what do you think, root?  what would he think
2021-06-13 09:39:29	kaniini	rob always had a taste for the absurd
2021-06-13 09:39:38	ErrantEgo	kaniini: hes probably rolling over in his grave right now
2021-06-13 09:39:42	duckgoose	I don't think he would care
2021-06-13 09:39:48	duckgoose	Rob was not a saint
2021-06-13 09:39:53	kaniini	see ErrantEgo i would like to think that he would find all of this quite amusing, really
2021-06-13 09:40:13	duckgoose	he was known to spend freenode donations for personal use
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2021-06-13 09:40:28	kaniini	indeed
2021-06-13 09:40:32	ErrantEgo	duckgoose: indeed he wasn't..and he was unique in and of himself, but im sure he wouldnt approve of THIS shit
2021-06-13 09:40:41	kaniini	ErrantEgo: i think he would find it hilarious
2021-06-13 09:40:42	ErrantEgo	just saying
2021-06-13 09:40:59	 *	ErrantEgo shrugs
2021-06-13 09:41:35	duckgoose	if you're asking if Rob would have made the same deal Christel did, then yea probably
2021-06-13 09:41:52	kaniini	oh, absolutely.  i have no doubt
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2021-06-13 09:43:44	@phanes	i would have
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2021-06-13 09:44:11	@phanes	for a subway sammich
2021-06-13 09:44:15	kaniini	yeah
2021-06-13 09:44:18	kaniini	i figured as such
2021-06-13 09:44:36	kaniini	phanes: how many sammiches to grant everyone on #freenode superbia
2021-06-13 09:44:47	kaniini	could be fun!
2021-06-13 09:45:04	altwulf	Subway is so freaking overpriced.
2021-06-13 09:45:13	altwulf	Jimmy John's is even worse.
2021-06-13 09:45:17	kaniini	oooh
2021-06-13 09:45:21	kaniini	theres an idea
2021-06-13 09:45:29	@phanes	superbia?  is that a city in washington state?
2021-06-13 09:45:31	kaniini	root: what if we made a bot
2021-06-13 09:45:49	kaniini	root: that either randomly k-lined you, or granted you superbia
2021-06-13 09:45:56	kaniini	root: could make freenode exciting
2021-06-13 09:46:37	Foxy	altwulf what about firehouse subs?
2021-06-13 09:46:44	@phanes	omg i <3 firehouse subs
2021-06-13 09:47:02	@phanes	not quite quiznos but wtf is quiznos knowadimsayin
2021-06-13 09:47:05	altwulf	Foxy: never been near a "Firehouse" that does subs. Where would these be?
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2021-06-13 09:47:21	@phanes	they're a huge chain
2021-06-13 09:47:30	altwulf	None that I know of near me.
2021-06-13 09:47:31	kaniini	root: what do you think
2021-06-13 09:47:34	Foxy	https://www.firehousesubs.com/find-a-firehouse/
2021-06-13 09:47:34	kaniini	root: i can code it for u
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2021-06-13 09:47:47	kaniini	it will be very good bot
2021-06-13 09:47:58	altwulf	Call it the ChunderGamesBot
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2021-06-13 09:48:04	@phanes	i think quiznos/firehouse is like dennys/perkins or cheddars/whatever_that_was_called
2021-06-13 09:48:41	altwulf	I am royally pissed the local Perkins closed their doors.
2021-06-13 09:49:09	altwulf	I sometimes drove an *hour* one way to have a Perkins omelette.
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2021-06-13 09:49:43	@phanes	yeah man country fried steak is ride or die
2021-06-13 09:50:19	hmmmmm	there are some good quiznos, or were. a minority of the franchises tried to do it a little better
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2021-06-13 09:50:42	@phanes	i worked at a quiznos briefly in college
2021-06-13 09:50:54	kaniini	i've never worked in fast food
2021-06-13 09:51:29	altwulf	Neither have I, but I did a year or two in a little bar/steakhouse thing.
2021-06-13 09:51:41	@phanes	i started out real far away
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2021-06-13 09:52:09	Foxy	quiznos closed down here like 10 years ago
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2021-06-13 09:52:23	microfracture	same. used to love going to it
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2021-06-13 09:53:14	 *	phanes crawled out of a hole in the mud in the oklahoma desert during a rain storm at midnight
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2021-06-13 09:53:45	altwulf	About twenty years ago I lived in an apartment kinda sandwiched between a Chinese restaurant, an Arabic restaurant and a Quiznos, with an Appleby's on the corner of the block. Had to poke another couple holes in my belt.
2021-06-13 09:54:09	@phanes	dramatization of the live birth of bagira: https://youtu.be/klwrT8rMu5c
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2021-06-13 09:55:10	kaniini	https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3ucp8y/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece/
2021-06-13 09:55:22	kaniini	this strikes me as similar to what has happened on freenode
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2021-06-13 10:02:55	kaniini	viva la liberacion
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2021-06-13 10:12:56	ansgar	10:12 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- The #ubuntu namespace is registered to the Ubuntu project
2021-06-13 10:13:09	ansgar	I believe this is no longer the case?
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2021-06-13 10:16:03	ansgar	Or does the Ubuntu project still have control over #ubuntu?
2021-06-13 10:16:30	mst	I believe the project concept has been abolished
2021-06-13 10:16:46	mst	the access list for #ubuntu is staff only
2021-06-13 10:16:54	ansgar	mst: kisser said that polices haven't changed.
2021-06-13 10:17:23	mst	well, ubuntu left, and any project that leaves gets its channels expropriated
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2021-06-13 10:17:25	ansgar	And I think we have to trust Freenode staff to know current policies :)
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2021-06-13 10:17:53	ansgar	mst: Well, I would hope they don't keep ChanServ claiming it is registered by Ubuntu (the project) then?
2021-06-13 10:17:56	crabbedhaloablut	Trust freenode staff? Why?
2021-06-13 10:18:22	mst	ansgar: the policies, such as they are, do not seem to currently be particularly coherent or evenly executed
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2021-06-13 10:18:39	ansgar	sorcerer: You closed ##ubuntu, so maybe you know about this?
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2021-06-13 10:19:10	crabbedhaloablut	Translation: The strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must
2021-06-13 10:19:27	Myrtti	retcon is quite common in comics, I hear
2021-06-13 10:20:07	crabbedhaloablut	Fitting that they behave like Comic-book Villains then
2021-06-13 10:20:36	mst	only villain I truly respect is Ozymandias
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2021-06-13 10:22:52	crabbedhaloablut	Someday, will someone find an SSD labeled "freenode" and extract from it these words: "My name is rasengan, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"?
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2021-06-13 10:35:21	dmt__	lol mst
2021-06-13 10:35:44	eskimo	lol dmt
2021-06-13 10:35:49	 *	phanes slaps mst with a cold hard wet trout
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2021-06-13 10:38:16	ansgar	phanes: If you are around, could you answer my question?
2021-06-13 10:38:36	@phanes	ansgar, what was your question?
2021-06-13 10:39:09	ansgar	phanes: ##ubuntu was redirected to #ubuntu, Chanserv says:  10:12 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- The #ubuntu namespace is registered to the Ubuntu project
2021-06-13 10:39:21	ansgar	phanes: So is #ubuntu now (again) managed by the Ubuntu project?
2021-06-13 10:39:33	Abrax	no
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2021-06-13 10:40:00	Abrax	things are changing and there need not be ## anymore
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2021-06-13 10:40:38	ansgar	Abrax: This is unrelated from ##/#?  It's just what ChanServ says (for /msg chanserv info #ubuntu)
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2021-06-13 10:42:40	Abrax	that will likely need to change i suppose
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2021-06-13 10:54:39	antto	will you do the same for other channels which have decided to move to a different network, but are still registered with chanserv?
2021-06-13 10:54:53	antto	drop/erase/overtake
2021-06-13 10:55:03	crabbedhaloablut	obviously.
2021-06-13 10:55:07	Abrax	prob
2021-06-13 10:55:34	crabbedhaloablut	Tinpot dictators gonna dictate.
2021-06-13 10:55:44	pinkieval	crabbedhaloablut, Abrax: can you let staffers answer questions meant for staffers?
2021-06-13 10:56:01	crabbedhaloablut	 pinkieval: I'm trying, but noone is here.
2021-06-13 10:56:03	@phanes	but his FUD is so credible
2021-06-13 10:56:25	antto	i wanted to hear it from $staff
2021-06-13 10:56:38	Abrax	too much FUD just wait and see
2021-06-13 10:56:47	crabbedhaloablut	I'm not stopping staff from speaking.
2021-06-13 10:56:51	pinkieval	phanes: can you answer ansgar's question now, though?
2021-06-13 10:57:00	@phanes	anyway, if a project moves to another network, why would transferring ownership of their abandoned channel to a new owner who won't abandon their users be a problem?  I'm not sure why it gets asked.
2021-06-13 10:57:01	crabbedhaloablut	*crickets*
2021-06-13 10:57:33	pinkieval	phanes: the question was: 08:39 <ansgar> phanes: So is #ubuntu now (again) managed by the Ubuntu project?
2021-06-13 10:57:46	ansgar	phanes: That was not my question, it was about ChanServ claiming the channel is still owned by the Ubuntu project (i.e. not a unofficial/community channel).
2021-06-13 10:58:23	@phanes	#ubuntu is not currently owned by anyone
2021-06-13 10:58:29	ansgar	phanes: (You can see with /msg chanserv info #ubuntu)
2021-06-13 10:58:32	@phanes	it looks like chanserv needs updated for that channel
2021-06-13 10:59:00	mst	I suspect whoever's been doing transfers hasn't been keeping track of that, and some backfilling may be in order
2021-06-13 10:59:08	+Hash	Ubuntu project has abandoned freenode, yes.
2021-06-13 10:59:10	antto	phanes, i mean, chanserv mentions "namespace" reservation
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2021-06-13 11:00:04	Abrax	"it looks like chanserv needs updated for that channel"
2021-06-13 11:00:09	@phanes	ideally someone affiliated with the ubuntu project would reclaim it and run it proper
2021-06-13 11:00:45	crabbedhaloablut	The beatings will continue until morale improves!
2021-06-13 11:00:54	antto	hahaha
2021-06-13 11:01:04	@phanes	yeah man im so abusive
2021-06-13 11:01:43	+Hash	Well, #linux is starting to come alive again!
2021-06-13 11:01:43	crabbedhaloablut	I mean, freenode is pretty abusive to its users.
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2021-06-13 11:02:01	Abrax	i expect the ideal situation would be for all the projects to come back and reclaiaim them
2021-06-13 11:02:03	+Hash	Whew. Still hard work but it's starting to get back into swing of things.
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2021-06-13 11:02:26	antto	Abrax, and then you wake up..
2021-06-13 11:02:39	crabbedhaloablut	Abrax: Do you have any ideas on how to make that happen for the 700+ projects that have left so far?
2021-06-13 11:03:22	agynario1s	drop table projects;
2021-06-13 11:03:28	antto	i don't know if they're 700+ but there is an actual list that has quite a long list of channels that ran off
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2021-06-13 11:03:50	crabbedhaloablut	I got the number from there.
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2021-06-13 11:04:13	antto	where?
2021-06-13 11:04:13	ansgar	antto: It's a list of projects, many of which had lots of channels (i.e. all the #gentoo-* ones)
2021-06-13 11:04:26	crabbedhaloablut	https://github.com/siraben/freenode-exodus
2021-06-13 11:04:56	crabbedhaloablut	"only a flesh wound"
2021-06-13 11:05:01	antto	did you count them?
2021-06-13 11:05:22	crabbedhaloablut	I did
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2021-06-13 11:05:39	ansgar	antto: The "about" box on the right side has a precounted number.
2021-06-13 11:06:07	oaken-source	I guess it makes little sense for projects to 'return' and establish official presences here again. it's more likely that unofficial chat channels will develop.
2021-06-13 11:06:25	crabbedhaloablut	Or just run into the sand.
2021-06-13 11:06:26	oaken-source	lead by smaller parts of the communities
2021-06-13 11:06:27	antto	i just copy/pasted the list in a text editor, 722 lines
2021-06-13 11:06:31	antto	wow
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2021-06-13 11:06:41	crabbedhaloablut	Because all the smart people left for Libera
2021-06-13 11:06:46	agynario1s	the only purpose for an official presence would be to inform people of the real official presence... I think that ship has sailed
2021-06-13 11:07:17	agynario1s	since informing people of where they can expect to be helped is "spam", apparently
2021-06-13 11:07:18	oaken-source	there's still a place for these channels to exist.
2021-06-13 11:07:32	crabbedhaloablut	A space, nothing else.
2021-06-13 11:07:48	crabbedhaloablut	No passionate project leaders.
2021-06-13 11:07:49	oaken-source	a space and a few people is all that you need, really
2021-06-13 11:07:55	antto	crabbedhaloablut, indeed, the majority of the smart+active people quickly regged at the new place
2021-06-13 11:08:08	antto	the less active people are catching up
2021-06-13 11:08:12	Irydacea	active users tend to be more loyal to the people who make the software they use than the platform it's hosted on, you know
2021-06-13 11:08:12	oaken-source	it's not going to be the same, sure. but it's going to not be nothing either
2021-06-13 11:08:50	crabbedhaloablut	"not nothing" -- freenode
2021-06-13 11:09:03	crabbedhaloablut	How far the mighty have fallen
2021-06-13 11:09:16	oaken-source	you seem very personally invested in that
2021-06-13 11:10:04	@ldlework	Tomaw really should've handed over 2FA access when asked.
2021-06-13 11:10:11	crabbedhaloablut	freenode was once great. I'm at a funeral.
2021-06-13 11:10:21	@ldlework	It's literally the "How could you do this" meme
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2021-06-13 11:11:03	crabbedhaloablut	To rasengan, the man who burned freenode to the ground?
2021-06-13 11:11:20	ansgar	ldlework: I think the "How could you do this" thing applies to new staff much better (with driving all the projects away in such a short time)...
2021-06-13 11:11:22	crabbedhaloablut	Not even a week and he had hijacked 700  channels
2021-06-13 11:11:23	oaken-source	I don't think this discussion is currently very constructive
2021-06-13 11:11:47	crabbedhaloablut	Stop constructing it then
2021-06-13 11:11:48	antto	ansgar, tbh, it wasn't the new staff.. it was mostly one person (my observation)
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2021-06-13 11:12:05	+Hash	crabbedhaloablut: this does not help
2021-06-13 11:12:24	ansgar	antto: Doesn't really matter to projects.
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2021-06-13 11:12:30	agynario1s	Hash: that should be the topic of this channel
2021-06-13 11:12:42	antto	ansgar, it matters since this is the most important person on the network now ;P~
2021-06-13 11:12:51	antto	it's not some rookie-staff mistake
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2021-06-13 11:13:01	crabbedhaloablut	Hash: Didn't you get op in one of the hijacked channels? Do you think that is helping?
2021-06-13 11:13:16	ansgar	antto: If it was a mistake, maybe, but then they would have needed to revert what happened by mistake.
2021-06-13 11:13:31	+Hash	I'm trying to restore the channel to a working order, conversations on topic, and helping people with problems.
2021-06-13 11:13:37	antto	yes, i should've said "mistake" with the quotes
2021-06-13 11:13:51	antto	their story says it was a mistake
2021-06-13 11:13:56	crabbedhaloablut	Hash: a small king among the ruins
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2021-06-13 11:14:12	Myrtti	delays > mistakes
2021-06-13 11:14:19	+Hash	I view it as a channel and community custodian or janitor, rather than a king.
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2021-06-13 11:14:35	@ldlework	Mistakes were made but keeping a networking running after the entire staff abandons it, campaigns for users to leave, run smear and disinformation campaigns off-network, none of that is easy. Mistakes were bound to be made. But none of this had to happen since none of the staff were justified in their reactions regarding the 2FA issue. Tomaw should've given up 2FA and that should've been the end
2021-06-13 11:14:38	@ldlework	of the story.
2021-06-13 11:15:00	@ldlework	Again, none of the things that happened after by ex-staff were justified.
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2021-06-13 11:15:11	@ldlework	They were, and continue to be, in the wrong, about the fundamental issues.
2021-06-13 11:15:13	epony	janitors are not supposed to clear the blackboard during class
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2021-06-13 11:15:23	+Hash	Being @ isn't about power and kingship. It is about having the access to do custodial and magegerial work and to keep things running smoothly
2021-06-13 11:15:34	crabbedhaloablut	Hash: You should get the nick "ephialtes"
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2021-06-13 11:15:39	@ldlework	They immediately made it political and personal.
2021-06-13 11:15:45	ansgar	ldlework: Blaming old staff doesn't help with making new staff decisions look better...
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2021-06-13 11:16:02	+Hash	I prefer Homer. Simpson and Greek.
2021-06-13 11:16:09	audemenon	Don't Talk About Your Ex On The First Date
2021-06-13 11:16:12	@ldlework	I just acknowledged those mistakes. Maybe you could acknowledge that the libera side is fundamentally in the wrong in this fiassco.
2021-06-13 11:16:13	audemenon	It Is A Classic Rule
2021-06-13 11:16:13	oaken-source	I like the word custodian,
2021-06-13 11:16:19	oaken-source	it's a good description.
2021-06-13 11:16:25	Irydacea	how was the sudden implementation of a draconian policy where people aren't allowed to even mention other networks in their channel topics meant to help channel ops regain trust in freenode?
2021-06-13 11:16:32	+Hash	To my mind it's the only word that fits.
2021-06-13 11:16:40	crabbedhaloablut	ldlework: You shall know them by their works.
2021-06-13 11:16:44	ansgar	ldlework: Acknowldge a mistake, but don't work on reverting it? :)
2021-06-13 11:16:56	@ldlework	Why would there need to be a regaining of trust? Andrew owned those resources. The ex-staff refused to give access to something someone else owned.
2021-06-13 11:17:03	@ldlework	Then went on a disinformation and moralizing campaign.
2021-06-13 11:17:08	@ldlework	Andrew didn't do anything wrong. Tomaw did.
2021-06-13 11:17:13	crabbedhaloablut	The old staff built freenode. It was taken away. They built Libera.
2021-06-13 11:17:14	@ldlework	All of the reactions after that were unjustified.
2021-06-13 11:17:15	ansgar	ldlework: If taking over channels was a mistake, why continue to do so with #fsf today?
2021-06-13 11:17:18	Irydacea	andrew may have owned those resources on paper, but he never actually ran freenode until old staff left
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2021-06-13 11:17:21	antto	ldlework, oh wow
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2021-06-13 11:17:32	@ldlework	ansgar: The narrative has progressed since then.
2021-06-13 11:17:43	crabbedhaloablut	"the narrative"
2021-06-13 11:17:48	@ldlework	It doesn't matter whether he ran freenode.
2021-06-13 11:17:54	@ldlework	He owned those resources. He asked for access to them.
2021-06-13 11:17:54	ansgar	ldlework: So will you also take over #debian for mentioning another IRC network?
2021-06-13 11:17:59	@ldlework	This isn't an exotic moral quandaray.
2021-06-13 11:18:02	@ldlework	Tomaw was in the wrong.
2021-06-13 11:18:05	antto	ldlework, it kinda matters
2021-06-13 11:18:10	epony	you're in #freenode on Freenode, what you choose is your own choice, should others choose your choices?  Jun13 0817<crabbedhaloablut> Trust freenode staff? Why?
2021-06-13 11:18:11	@ldlework	And the ex-staff decided justification doesn't matter.
2021-06-13 11:18:13	Irydacea	yes, it does. because we trusted the people who actually ran freenode, not the people whose names were printed on some invisible contract
2021-06-13 11:18:17	@ldlework	they will smear and lie, to get their way
2021-06-13 11:18:22	 *	IronY wonders if he somehow managed to connect to an idea or a tangible thing
2021-06-13 11:18:23	proteus-guy	ldlework - agree 100% But you're being reasonable and woke entitled cancel culture is incapable of such consideration.
2021-06-13 11:18:30	ansgar	ldlework: (I would like to inform other Debian people beforehand if we can expect this to happen soon.)
2021-06-13 11:18:36	@ldlework	proteus-guy: It's worth saying anyway.
2021-06-13 11:18:42	oaken-source	blaming former staff does not seem like a constructive way forward either
2021-06-13 11:18:54	oaken-source	if I may be so bold
2021-06-13 11:18:57	@ldlework	Former staff were absolutely in the wrong for the way they reacted.
2021-06-13 11:19:00	@ldlework	Period.
2021-06-13 11:19:06	Irydacea	and more to the point, we decided to trust people who had decades-long experience participating in FOSS projects and running IRC networks, or were trusted to succeed them
2021-06-13 11:19:09	@ldlework	If anyone destroyed a 20 year old institution, it was them.
2021-06-13 11:19:15	proteus-guy	Idlework - agree - it needs to be repeated every time the nonsense from libera is repeated.
2021-06-13 11:19:17	crabbedhaloablut	Soon, you will all be kings of ruins, proclaiming your rightness to the world
2021-06-13 11:19:17	ansgar	ldlework: And please move forward from blaming the old staff.  That's not a good way to go forward in the next years.
2021-06-13 11:19:23	oaken-source	maybe, maybe not. I won't argue. but does it even matter at this point, ldlework ?
2021-06-13 11:19:36	@ldlework	You are all in here arguing false pretenses. Yes, it matters.
2021-06-13 11:19:37	antto	ldlework, you're kinda wrong again
2021-06-13 11:19:46	+Hash	Even the word 'hostile takeover' is so emotionally charged and imo unwarranted. I am an outside party and when I saw all the happenings, I thought, that's not right. Instead of fracturign IRC, why not get people together and figure this out, show patience. Instead, they claim ill-will on our part, and then now this.
2021-06-13 11:19:50	epony	crabbedhaloablut, your vivid imagination is quite refreshing ;-)
2021-06-13 11:19:58	proteus-guy	antto, saying "you're wrong" is not evidence.
2021-06-13 11:20:02	@ldlework	"you're kinda wrong again", you would just state your point instead of alluding to it
2021-06-13 11:20:11	@ldlework	> Please move forward
2021-06-13 11:20:11	luk3yx	Hi
2021-06-13 11:20:15	crabbedhaloablut	ldlework: You're still taking over new channels. You're proving yourself wrong by your actions.
2021-06-13 11:20:15	oaken-source	I think people here are afraid of being k-lined
2021-06-13 11:20:20	@ldlework	> Please ignore how we're totally unjustified in destroying freenode
2021-06-13 11:20:33	epony	crabbedhaloablut, abandonchannels needs stewardship
2021-06-13 11:20:43	IronY	You folks know this is just an IRC network right, like, that is it, it does not need a crazy level of politics, if you want to be here, you are here, if you don't, you are free to leave. Given the fact we are on an archaic medium barely existing, with channels full of what is most certainly unattached  tmux sessions, this is all rather a lot for something that really is not a big deal
2021-06-13 11:20:59	+Hash	Do you think that the constant spam, the constant abuse, is also destructive on some levels?
2021-06-13 11:21:08	Irydacea	this wasn't just an IRC network a month ago, but now it certainly is
2021-06-13 11:21:16	proteus-guy	Freenode's biggest fault is in not rapidly publishing new policies clarifying what is and is not allowed - especially pertaining to channel owners/ops "abandoning" their channels but constantly telling people to leave.
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2021-06-13 11:21:20	@ldlework	crabbedhaloablut: We're far beyond the initial pretext. Freenode has it's own ideas now that the community has (under false pretenses) largely abandoned it.
2021-06-13 11:21:25	epony	crabbedhaloablut, don't leave, stay and take care of things and the people to which you suggest you have responsibility ;-) it's easy if you try
2021-06-13 11:21:41	antto	ldlework, see, many projects were not in a hurry to make any decisions at first, there was a new network, but.. wtf's going on.. but then the new management started doing weird sh*t, and then there was the freenodecom bot operation.. that's when a ton of project took the decision to move out of here
2021-06-13 11:21:43	IronY	I have been here for like 12 years, It is always an IRC network, Dalnet got me laid in the 90s, also just an IRC network, things change, nothing is the same for ever
2021-06-13 11:21:47	antto	will you blame old staff for this?
2021-06-13 11:21:50	audemenon	ldlework: So How Will You Win Them Back
2021-06-13 11:21:54	oaken-source	I would ideally like to see freenode and libera work together on restoring unity in the communities, instead of hostilities and blame.
2021-06-13 11:21:54	antto	coz you'd be wrong
2021-06-13 11:21:56	IronY	except that one mud I sank year 14 and 15 into, that shit is still runnin
2021-06-13 11:22:03	crabbedhaloablut	ldlework: You're burning things harder because "slightly charred" didn't work?
2021-06-13 11:22:04	agynario1s	Libera Chat exists though and is working well. What has been destroyed, really? freenode is an empty shell, a name, a label, it's history. Sure, it boasts the support of the silent majority, but the silent majority will not give life to a chatting platform.
2021-06-13 11:22:22	@ldlework	If you expect to Freenode to capitulate to your unwarranted demands in this channel by standing on those false pretenses in which tomaw was completely in the wrong -- I warn you, you're wasting minutes of your finite mortal life.
2021-06-13 11:22:54	IronY	agynario1s freenode is an IRC network, you are equating like some civil wondermant to what is basically creating a directly, writing a config, and launching a daemon
2021-06-13 11:22:56	+Hash	The question is, what do you hope to accomplish with this tirade?
2021-06-13 11:23:00	+Hash	I'm curious to know.
2021-06-13 11:23:01	@ldlework	No one on the staff is symapthetic to how the libera community reacted. We reject the pretense that Andrew did anything wrong. The libera reaction was shameless and invented.
2021-06-13 11:23:01	IronY	folks, you are wayyy to close to this lol
2021-06-13 11:23:02	ansgar	ldlework: Why do you think projects care about tomaw being right or wrong?
2021-06-13 11:23:07	oaken-source	everyones time would probably better spent looking for a way forward
2021-06-13 11:23:12	proteus-guy	Idlework - is freenode going to publish some new policies regarding ownership of channels so communities in freenode can start to rebuild?
2021-06-13 11:23:16	crabbedhaloablut	Onhis gravestone will be written: "I was right, tell the Liberans I was right!"
2021-06-13 11:23:19	epony	agynario1s, it is not working well if it needs to steal userbase.. sell more fliers
2021-06-13 11:23:28	+Hash	What do you think will happen from your charged speech here?
2021-06-13 11:23:46	+Hash	Will time go back? What do you hope to accomplish with your tirade, pray tell?
2021-06-13 11:23:50	@ldlework	Keep implicating demands and that we capitulate "or else". It isn't going to work.
2021-06-13 11:23:58	audemenon	Hash: Are You Talking About Ldlework's Charged Speech
2021-06-13 11:24:03	+Hash	No.
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2021-06-13 11:24:26	antto	ldlework, i hope $boss is watching, because you deserve a salary raise for your efforts
2021-06-13 11:24:27	audemenon	I Was Very Curious What Ldlework Hoped To Accomplish So I Thought We Might Be On The Same Wavelength
2021-06-13 11:24:34	antto	;]
2021-06-13 11:24:48	@ldlework	If you can ignore/wave away all context and continue to make unqualified demands, no one cares what you have to say. So feel free to continue to shout into this void where you're being ignored. They're your mortal minutes.
2021-06-13 11:24:48	Irydacea	to my knowledge, andrew never actually tried to reach out to large FOSS projects to seek substitutes for the old staff despite knowing what was going to happen next. Had he done that instead of bringing in opers from outside (many of them without any prior experience with freenode's community policies and irc software stack, hence "takeover") i assure you, people wouldn't have reacted as harshly
2021-06-13 11:24:50	Irydacea	as they did. They'd have been quite likely to give you all a chance, in fact
2021-06-13 11:24:51	epony	audemenon, in modernspake 'transponder'
2021-06-13 11:24:57	crabbedhaloablut	audemenon: Hash has received his little fiefdom among the ruins, he is on the side of "Tomaw was wrong, so we destroyed freenode"
2021-06-13 11:25:06	ecks	https://i.imgur.com/dTcAHZc_d.webp freenode staff irl
2021-06-13 11:25:11	agynario1s	epony: How can you steal users? Users vote with /server, I think I'm quoting rasengan correctly in that.
2021-06-13 11:25:19	epony	agynario1s, you tell me, you spam
2021-06-13 11:25:22	+Hash	I've said this on twitter for weeks. Feel free to check it.
2021-06-13 11:25:43	+Hash	My opinions didn't change simply beacause I was given @ in a channel or two.
2021-06-13 11:25:54	crabbedhaloablut	Hash: I know, the only way to rise in the ranks over here is to be a bootlicker
2021-06-13 11:25:54	+Hash	I'm a reasonable man and I reasoned for myself.
2021-06-13 11:25:58	IronY	common sense here, for the history of irc, even in the wild west of undernet and efnet, server spamming has never been acceptable and has always been a banable offense
2021-06-13 11:26:04	IronY	common sense checking out, continue
2021-06-13 11:26:05	oaken-source	seems like everyone needs a couple days to calm down before this can be discussed without devolving into a stew of insults
2021-06-13 11:26:33	epony	agynario1s, if it weren't for cancellation and destructive closure of channels and constant spamming and abuse bots, you'd have about 10% of naive followers for a couple of influencers
2021-06-13 11:26:34	antto	IronY, how about #debian
2021-06-13 11:26:48	@ldlework	If you continue to conflate channels which were spamming, locking, kicking their users, with channels swept up in a blunt automated action, no one cares what you have to say.
2021-06-13 11:26:59	epony	agynario1s, guess what, you have about 5% now, so consider that a massive success
2021-06-13 11:27:02	placeb0	why is discussing it necessary?
2021-06-13 11:27:11	novns	Freenode is our greatest value!  the best way to preserve Freenode is to remove every user and every channel from Freenode!
2021-06-13 11:27:18	placeb0	people have been discussing all that for weeks now
2021-06-13 11:27:18	+Hash	They don't need to.
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2021-06-13 11:27:36	ansgar	ldlework: #fsf did "spam, lock, kick" their users?
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2021-06-13 11:27:43	chikorita	ldlework: "locking, kicking their users" [citation needed]
2021-06-13 11:27:45	+Hash	However, its like how the Vulcan Minister said to Spock. Did you come here to satisfy your emotional need to rebel/outburst?
2021-06-13 11:27:56	IronY	no one even remembers how to edit their irc client config file anymore, there here forever like it or not
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2021-06-13 11:27:57	agynario1s	epony: Keep telling yourself that.
2021-06-13 11:28:02	chikorita	ldlework: And isn't that what exactly you did to ##linux ?
2021-06-13 11:28:07	antto	ldlework, #gcc was only ever locked by freenodecom
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2021-06-13 11:28:15	@ldlework	If the #fsf believes they were mistargeted in that sweep, they can contact freenode staff to get it worked out on a case by case basis, as has been the messaging from the get-go.
2021-06-13 11:28:15	epony	agynario1s, I have you for that purpose ;-) the real puppet
2021-06-13 11:28:17	blkshp	Hash: Live long and prosper
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2021-06-13 11:28:22	 *	blkshp uses a tone!
2021-06-13 11:28:25	+Hash	\\//
2021-06-13 11:28:44	novns	ldlework, "spamming, locking, kicking" things never happened on big channels that experienced takeover by new staff
2021-06-13 11:28:55	IronY	^MillerBoss: that @ is seksi
2021-06-13 11:29:01	IronY	MillerBOSS that is
2021-06-13 11:29:16	agynario1s	epony: at least I'm not stuck up rasengan's ass
2021-06-13 11:29:18	@ldlework	Yes, we're all aware some channels were undeservedly targetted by that action. Which is why any channel is free to contact us to get it resolved on a case-by-case basis.
2021-06-13 11:29:36	@ldlework	Are you capable of integrating previous information into your subsequent speech?
2021-06-13 11:29:38	@ldlework	One wonders.
2021-06-13 11:29:39	crabbedhaloablut	ldlework: I think it has been the reasonable assumption of everyone who has been targeted by you that you know exactly what you did.
2021-06-13 11:29:40	novns	ldlework, "some channels were undeservedly targetted"  all channels, every single one
2021-06-13 11:29:42	+Hash	I've been on freenode since 2001, registered this accont since 2004, part of GNU, and #gnu has been restored, we've lost perhaps 40 folks at most.
2021-06-13 11:29:55	epony	agynario1s, but you're really helping reinvigorate interest in being told facts ;-) instead of fiction
2021-06-13 11:30:02	@ldlework	novns: Your opinion is noted, and subsequently discarded.
2021-06-13 11:30:06	oaken-source	#gnu is now an inofficial channel though.
2021-06-13 11:30:07	crabbedhaloablut	ldlework: Why would they talk to you? To negotiate with... whatever you are?
2021-06-13 11:30:08	+Hash	We've got another person from the GNU group as @ in there
2021-06-13 11:30:11	oaken-source	the official presence was forced to move
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2021-06-13 11:30:24	@phanes	i love how they're doing this "if you don't side with us you must have moral failings and any reason you have for it must be fabricated"
2021-06-13 11:30:26	@phanes	like
2021-06-13 11:30:32	@phanes	how polarizing yet ineffective
2021-06-13 11:30:33	chikorita	Hash: Really? Because the ACL list of #gnu has been wiped out of official gnu staff
2021-06-13 11:30:38	epony	so crabbedhaloablut is helping too, because challenging a response like that means they help promote the values of this place
2021-06-13 11:30:39	@ldlework	crabbedhaloablut: If they have no motivation to, then don't. Continuing to cry about channels that have no interest in remedying seems pointless and trolling.
2021-06-13 11:31:08	blkshp	ACLL
2021-06-13 11:31:10	crabbedhaloablut	I like it, appoint a troll op in FSF and call me a troll?
2021-06-13 11:31:12	@ldlework	phanes: Especially given the shamelessly morally defunct ways they go about expreessing their grievences.
2021-06-13 11:31:13	novns	ldlework, your words is a lie, you can enjoy your ircop power here until rasengan starts kicking out new staff
2021-06-13 11:31:15	+Hash	chikorita: I'm there, now, unofficial as I'm not a ranked member in GNU proper, but another is.
2021-06-13 11:31:18	@phanes	im just excited that so many people can participate unhindered by these powerstructures that were holding them back
2021-06-13 11:31:33	@ldlework	"you lie" -> you would just make your case instead of alluding to it
2021-06-13 11:31:36	@ldlework	second time now
2021-06-13 11:31:37	@ldlework	grow up
2021-06-13 11:31:40	@phanes	i mean these people saw this coming for like 10 years
2021-06-13 11:32:00	chikorita	phanes: "if you don't side with us you must have moral failings and any reason you have for it must be fabricated" I think that's what *you* guys are doing. You accuse channels of locking and kicking their users, despite being an obvious lie
2021-06-13 11:32:01	+Hash	Furthermore, the structures in power that have been in power for 15 years were not all inclusive, ran on emotions, moods, whims, and abused many people.
2021-06-13 11:32:02	novns	ldlework, "some channels" is a lie, because all channels, not some
2021-06-13 11:32:02	epony	crabbedhaloablut, when were you last in that channel and how did you help the people there?
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2021-06-13 11:32:09	+Hash	I saw and was upset for others many times.
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2021-06-13 11:32:31	+Hash	Now with new people, the folks who were oppressed and suppresse by the previous power structures can enjoy freedom.
2021-06-13 11:32:36	@phanes	there will be no blacklisting on freenode.
2021-06-13 11:32:41	@phanes	as long as i am here.
2021-06-13 11:32:43	+Hash	They can again participate and won't be shunned by ops with mental issues.
2021-06-13 11:32:47	crabbedhaloablut	Freedom among the burned ashes
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2021-06-13 11:33:00	audemenon	Phanes: What Kind Of Blacklisting
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2021-06-13 11:33:17	@phanes	it is -why- i am here
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2021-06-13 11:33:30	@phanes	it is the motivation of my participation
2021-06-13 11:33:32	ansgar	phanes: Klines are blacklistings though?
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2021-06-13 11:33:40	chikorita	ansgar++
2021-06-13 11:33:56	@phanes	ansgar, yes i have issued klines mostly for people who engaged in those practices
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2021-06-13 11:34:06	@phanes	people who engage in those practices will taste irony
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2021-06-13 11:34:12	crabbedhaloablut	Freedom for me, not for thee?
2021-06-13 11:34:13	+Hash	Countless people were abused in ##linux for years, by ops who would puropsefuly pick arguments, fights, then ban people, and assert authority. There was a lot of toxicity which is now carried over to libera.
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2021-06-13 11:34:23	+Hash	Here we can reboot with better people.
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2021-06-13 11:34:32	TV`sFrank	sounds like purely personal revengatory reasons for being an ircop
2021-06-13 11:34:33	@phanes	exactly
2021-06-13 11:34:33	+Hash	That's just one place, for example.
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2021-06-13 11:34:37	crabbedhaloablut	Hash: You say that so unironically
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2021-06-13 11:35:08	epony	crabbedhaloablut, are you a matrix or a liberalt?
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2021-06-13 11:35:14	antto	Hash, i've not been in ##linux because it seems too general, if it had problems with the ops - did no one ask the staff?
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2021-06-13 11:35:26	+Hash	Staff didn't care.
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2021-06-13 11:35:33	+Hash	Previous staff, I mean.
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2021-06-13 11:35:47	antto	Hash, the the other users not say anything?
2021-06-13 11:36:01	+Hash	And suffer the same consquences?
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2021-06-13 11:36:23	antto	so they stayed silently in a channel ran by bad guys?
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2021-06-13 11:36:28	+Hash	When you have a channel like ##linux, and it's huge, and automatically people come to it, sometimes people forget community buliding.
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2021-06-13 11:36:35	@phanes	antto, yeah that's kind of a thing in social structures
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2021-06-13 11:36:44	+Hash	They take for granted that hey, we've a popular channel, and people will just come, so we can do whatever we want.
2021-06-13 11:36:44	@ldlework	Hash, you're being gas-lit. They are pretending there was no clique and that if there was a problem you can just have solved it via asking nicely.
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2021-06-13 11:36:52	@phanes	antto, https://phanes.silogroup.org/strength-establishment-and-pizza/
2021-06-13 11:36:52	novns	Hash, are you sure those "Countless people" where not just trolls?
2021-06-13 11:36:56	crabbedhaloablut	Hash: good that people voted with /server and moved to the right #linux
2021-06-13 11:36:56	oaken-source	I don't think you really can have a community around ##linux. it's just too large
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2021-06-13 11:36:59	+Hash	*nod*
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2021-06-13 11:37:11	Ir0nY	THis is the most exciting thing to happen to IRC for anwhile lol
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2021-06-13 11:37:23	antto	oaken-source, that's why i don't go there
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2021-06-13 11:37:34	antto	i use debian.. so.. #debian
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2021-06-13 11:37:42	oaken-source	why the sudden wave of /joins?
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2021-06-13 11:37:53	oaken-source	seems a bit ... concerning
2021-06-13 11:37:55	@phanes	oaken-source, because I spoke
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2021-06-13 11:38:01	antto	wow
2021-06-13 11:38:07	antto	r u a wizard
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2021-06-13 11:38:20	epony	crabbedhaloablut invited his fellow confused browsers looking for questions ;-)
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2021-06-13 11:39:03	antto	yeah a netsplit is coming
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2021-06-13 11:39:20	oaken-source	this doesn't seem like a split
2021-06-13 11:39:22	antto	please someone hold on to nickserv again
2021-06-13 11:39:24	antto	;P~
2021-06-13 11:39:25	@ldlework	Don't joins usually follow the split?
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2021-06-13 11:39:34	@phanes	after
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2021-06-13 11:39:37	oaken-source	ldlework: right
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2021-06-13 11:39:40	antto	ldlework, new to IRC?
2021-06-13 11:39:40	crabbedhaloablut	This is uncanny
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2021-06-13 11:39:57	@ldlework	Maybe it was a server that *was* split for a while, that is just now rejoining?
2021-06-13 11:40:11	 *	ldlework shrugs.
2021-06-13 11:40:18	Tools	I massive split will come soon I guess.
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2021-06-13 11:40:22	Tools	Or at least, a massive ping timeout.
2021-06-13 11:40:23	chikorita	no, it's just irccloud
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2021-06-13 11:40:36	Tools	It wasn't just irccloud tbh.
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2021-06-13 11:41:11	crabbedhaloablut	No, freenode just gained 4k users in 15 minutes, this is a... something.
2021-06-13 11:41:42	antto	that's what happens when you have ghosts during a pingtimeout
2021-06-13 11:41:43	chikorita	some are irccloud, some are matrix
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2021-06-13 11:42:06	antto	then there will be a pile of quits
2021-06-13 11:42:06	epony	crabbedhaloablut, your stats are off
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2021-06-13 11:42:18	Irydacea	there we go
2021-06-13 11:42:18	Tools	Theeeeeere we go.
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2021-06-13 11:42:24	Abrax	ya masssp
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2021-06-13 11:42:39	oaken-source	oh wow, what a wave
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2021-06-13 11:43:11	Tools	https://i.cspr.cc/6bc43c9979.png that's quite a drop :^)
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2021-06-13 11:43:43	crabbedhaloablut	Most of them were bots anyway
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2021-06-13 11:44:01	Solbu	When a server is lagging or about to go down, some clients disconnects prior to a split as they lose the server connection before the split happens. I've had that happen a few times.
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2021-06-13 11:44:22	@phanes	I usually expect to see that after recovery from a netsplit not preceding it
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2021-06-13 11:44:24	Tools	Server-server pings are probably higher than server-client pings :p
2021-06-13 11:44:30	antto	Solbu, teach the new staff pls ;]
2021-06-13 11:44:35	Solbu	Hehe
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2021-06-13 11:44:52	Irydacea	i think server timeouts tend to be longer than client timeouts?
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2021-06-13 11:44:59	antto	of course
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2021-06-13 11:45:06	Solbu	phanes: It is normal for this to happen before a split, dependent on why a server lose the connection.
2021-06-13 11:45:12	antto	you don't wanna have splits for every glitch
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2021-06-13 11:45:43	antto	you'd rather resend/resync the broken data and continue
2021-06-13 11:45:53	 *	mst_ still remembers the days when there'd be a mass disconnect when a netsplit *ended*
2021-06-13 11:45:53	oaken-source	I love observing emergent phenomena in IT
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2021-06-13 11:46:07	mst_	because the matrix bridge couldn't keep up with the synchronisation and fell over
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2021-06-13 11:46:32	justJanne	why is the topic?
2021-06-13 11:46:38	Solbu	mst_: nick collisions? :-)
2021-06-13 11:46:45	antto	justJanne, new policy
2021-06-13 11:46:50	mst	Solbu: nah, just the number of joins and etc. at the same time
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2021-06-13 11:46:52	justJanne	I meant the last part of it
2021-06-13 11:47:05	DasBrain	!dice
2021-06-13 11:47:10	antto	justJanne, the staff were in a "mood"
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2021-06-13 11:47:20	epony	:it's alive:
2021-06-13 11:47:22	Abrax	it does not look like everyone made it back yet
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2021-06-13 11:47:50	Tools	Still missing 3k users indeed.
2021-06-13 11:48:00	antto	Tools, u own them?
2021-06-13 11:48:04	crabbedhaloablut	antto: that so perfectly encapsulates what's been happening over here "the staff were in a 'mood'"
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2021-06-13 11:48:21	Tools	antto, no, I just keep track on usercount, :p
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2021-06-13 11:48:26	antto	crabbedhaloablut, i know some of them use.. substances
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2021-06-13 11:48:49	crabbedhaloablut	antto: the rot begins at the top
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2021-06-13 11:48:54	Solbu	Tools: surely you mean 7k users.
2021-06-13 11:48:57	antto	which could explain certain actions and behavior perhaps
2021-06-13 11:49:02	mst	I've got into the habit, when in 'a mood', of going to argue with tankies and/or whitenats on twitter
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2021-06-13 11:49:05	epony	crabbedhaloablut, with crabs it is from the eyes
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2021-06-13 11:49:12	mst	it's completely futile but excellently therapeutic
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2021-06-13 11:49:43	crabbedhaloablut	antto: he didn't need that tooth anyway
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2021-06-13 11:49:47	Tools	Solbu; https://i.cspr.cc/bab9024ff0.png before the massive new connections prior to the netsplit it was 48.6k users, currently (when I said 3k) we were at 45.6k
2021-06-13 11:49:51	Tools	Different; 3k.
2021-06-13 11:49:54	Tools	Difference*
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2021-06-13 11:50:21	ansgar	So 65.9% on isfreenodedeayet(.)com ;-)
2021-06-13 11:50:35	Tools	I think you misspelled that tbh :p
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2021-06-13 11:50:46	justJanne	https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
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2021-06-13 11:51:25	crabbedhaloablut	not *quite* but the staff are doing their best
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2021-06-13 11:51:34	antto	i've never agreed with the name of that website
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2021-06-13 11:51:50	justJanne	antto: I bought that domain semi-drunk at night lol
2021-06-13 11:52:01	ansgar	antto: Something about the different temporal forms in the English language? :D
2021-06-13 11:52:06	crabbedhaloablut	antto: you don't agree it's inevitable?
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2021-06-13 11:52:11	antto	no
2021-06-13 11:52:19	antto	it asks the wrong question
2021-06-13 11:52:22	crabbedhaloablut	you optimist you
2021-06-13 11:52:26	mst	I don't expect freenode to disappear, just end up being a much smaller, very different network
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2021-06-13 11:52:36	antto	freenode died quickly after the new sh*t started happening
2021-06-13 11:52:44	epony	so far that is not happening as you say
2021-06-13 11:52:44	antto	this website just shows numbers
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2021-06-13 11:53:07	epony	what is happening is, the fork shows what it's made of
2021-06-13 11:53:08	crabbedhaloablut	 true
2021-06-13 11:53:10	justJanne	it’s a reference to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Areweyet
2021-06-13 11:53:11	mst	one could argue that the current freenode is a different network to the old freenode in effect but then you'd be getting deep into semantics
2021-06-13 11:53:18	antto	the new freenode will not die unless $boss kills it, but what "freenode" used to be is elsewhere already
2021-06-13 11:53:19	+Hash	Perhaps that's good?
2021-06-13 11:53:35	+Hash	Perhaps it grew too big to be managed properly by previous staff.
2021-06-13 11:53:47	+Hash	Perhaps IRC networks shouldn't get so large? Who knows.
2021-06-13 11:53:47	antto	Hash, no
2021-06-13 11:53:52	crabbedhaloablut	Previous staff managed it just fine.
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2021-06-13 11:53:57	epony	the hell they did
2021-06-13 11:54:09	crabbedhaloablut	It's the current slave-beaters that are killing it.
2021-06-13 11:54:09	+Hash	I don't know. Network ran, but it was toxic.
2021-06-13 11:54:10	justJanne	specifically, what https://arewefastyet.com/ started
2021-06-13 11:54:11	epony	(as in, not true)
2021-06-13 11:54:14	+Hash	Where do you balance that?
2021-06-13 11:54:22	Irydacea	what was the toxicity about?
2021-06-13 11:54:37	mst	generally people were either mad that staff interfered too much, or mad they didn't interfere enough
2021-06-13 11:54:40	@phanes	mostly ego
2021-06-13 11:54:44	mst	which is about what always happens given moderation at scale
2021-06-13 11:55:07	+Hash	Just look at what they did and then claimed and made a whole song and dance and pretty much just slander and libel, and some mistakes were made and people just ran with a false narrative.
2021-06-13 11:55:08	mst	I fully expect the new management to get both sorts of angry people as well
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2021-06-13 11:55:13	BrianG61UK	Are we restricted to using /nick once only on freenode? I can't make it work twice.
2021-06-13 11:55:18	+Hash	People do have mob justice mentality.
2021-06-13 11:55:19	Irydacea	i keep seeing people say old staff were doing things wrong but aside from the lack of transparency with regards to freenode's governance, i haven't seen any real examples
2021-06-13 11:55:20	ansgar	mst: And the large "what is this staff" faction that never interacted with staff either way.
2021-06-13 11:55:21	epony	crabbedhaloablut, that's why people cheered when they resigned
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2021-06-13 11:55:27	justJanne	phanes: if ego is toxic, andrew should have a biohazard label
2021-06-13 11:55:27	+Hash	People use pitchforks and torches.
2021-06-13 11:55:45	mst	ansgar: oh, yes, I was talking about the people who were mad at staff and/or calling the network toxic
2021-06-13 11:55:47	antto	BrianG61UK, maybe you're in a channel where you're banned which would prevent you from changing your nick
2021-06-13 11:55:55	audemenon	JustJanne: The Irony Is The Person To Whom You Addressed That Message
2021-06-13 11:55:57	mst	ansgar: 90%+ of users never notice or care
2021-06-13 11:56:04	justJanne	audemenon: I know :)
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2021-06-13 11:57:11	crabbedhaloablut	https://twitter.com/sadiekatze/status/1404000144119508992
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2021-06-13 11:58:02	epony	crabbedhaloablut, that web site elected your government
2021-06-13 11:58:47	mst	lol
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2021-06-13 11:59:21	BrianG61UK	antto:Thanks. I think I can do it once each time I connect but if a glitch changes me to BrianG61UK_ I don't seem to be able to go back to BrianG61UK even after ghosting BrianG61UK.
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2021-06-13 11:59:50	audemenon	BrianG61UK: Try Parting All The Channels You Are In
2021-06-13 12:00:03	audemenon	BrianG61UK: Staff Has Been Obsessing Over Preventing Nick Changes
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2021-06-13 12:00:40	Irydacea	incidentally ns regain's muted channel detection is stricter than /nick's
2021-06-13 12:00:46	BrianG61UK	audemenon: Parting??
2021-06-13 12:01:09	+Hash	No they have not. Check your status window. If a channel is +m or if you're banned in a chanenl or quited, you can't change nicks
2021-06-13 12:01:12	audemenon	BrianG61UK: Close All The Channels
2021-06-13 12:01:18	+Hash	You have to part that channel before you can change nick
2021-06-13 12:01:30	+Hash	Check your status window to see which channel IRC tells you about.
2021-06-13 12:01:38	BrianG61UK	audemenon: Okay. I can do that. Just seems a little tedious.
2021-06-13 12:01:55	BrianG61UK	audemenon: Thanks for your help.
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2021-06-13 12:02:10	+Hash	BrianG61UK: read what I said as well.
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2021-06-13 12:05:16	BrianG61UK	Hash: If I were banned wouldn't disconnecting and reconnecting fail as well?
2021-06-13 12:05:29	mst	BrianG61UK: +m or a quiet won't stop you joining
2021-06-13 12:05:46	 *	mst used to really enjoy, when faced with a troll doing repeated nick changes to be an ass, waiting until they picked a really embarassing one and -then- dropping a quiet on them so they were stuck there
2021-06-13 12:06:31	+Hash	Goodnight folks!
2021-06-13 12:06:40	|dmt|	Goodnight Hash! ;)ç
2021-06-13 12:06:44	Solbu	crabbedhaloablut: The twitter post is factually wrong. There are at least one channel with more than 1000 users, and you are _in_ it. :-)
2021-06-13 12:06:54	|dmt|	wow with +
2021-06-13 12:06:57	|dmt|	:-)
2021-06-13 12:06:58	ansgar	Solbu: They are all secret +s channels.
2021-06-13 12:07:27	BrianG61UK	I'm always trying to either change back from BrianG61UK_ to BrianG61UK or from BrianG61UK__ to BrianG61UK_
2021-06-13 12:07:27	ansgar	Solbu: (I guess to avoid spamming the channel list?)
2021-06-13 12:07:55	crabbedhaloablut	Solbu: netsplit only counts channels that aren't secret
2021-06-13 12:08:06	BrianG61UK	Only BrianG61UK and BrianG61UK_ are registered nicks
2021-06-13 12:08:19	epony	that's what securitate said too.. Jun13 1006<ansgar> Solbu: They are all secret +s channels.
2021-06-13 12:08:20	BrianG61UK	BrianG61UK__ is not registered
2021-06-13 12:09:15	Solbu	My point still stands. The post iw not correct. :-)
2021-06-13 12:09:18	Solbu	*is
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2021-06-13 12:09:57	BrianG61UK	Could it be because I am usually connected to all my channels from both my PCs?
2021-06-13 12:10:16	BrianG61UK	Once as BrianG61UK and another as BrianG61UK_
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2021-06-13 12:17:30	novns	BrianG61UK, you can use a bouncer like znc
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2021-06-13 12:19:54	mst	or irccl-no, wait
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2021-06-13 12:21:41	audemenon	Is Irccloud Still Banned
2021-06-13 12:21:43	Mikaela	or #freenode-bnc
2021-06-13 12:22:18	antiloopa	https://dchub.one/temp/Soft/
2021-06-13 12:22:22	mst	audemenon: not currently but root said that was an oversight so I presume it'll get re-banned at some point
2021-06-13 12:23:08	Mikaela	what do they have against IRCCloud? I thought it was once saviour of IRC
2021-06-13 12:23:26	mst	I don't know, I asked repeatedly and got ignored
2021-06-13 12:24:02	chikorita	Mikaela: new freenode thinks IRCCloud is profiting off IRC
2021-06-13 12:24:03	mst	getting explanations/justifications for decisions is not something I've been having a lot of success with
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2021-06-13 12:24:37	Mikaela	I feel you mst
2021-06-13 12:24:39	ansgar	audemenon:  -!- mode/#freenode [+q *!*@*irccloud*] was ~1 hour ago.
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2021-06-13 12:25:03	Mikaela	chikorita: isn't that their business model and aren't many bouncers and shells doing the same?
2021-06-13 12:25:09	novns	mst, "some users were banned by mistake, we are rewriting rules to make those bans look valid"
2021-06-13 12:25:27	mst	Mikaela: wonder if that has anything to do with Andrew trying and failing to buy them back in the day
2021-06-13 12:25:33	chikorita	Mikaela: Gotta kill off the competition :P
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2021-06-13 12:25:42	Mikaela	ooh
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2021-06-13 12:26:34	mst	novns: even in the scenario where that's the case, I'd still like an official post of the party line
2021-06-13 12:26:41	mst	you'd still be entirely welcome to not believe it
2021-06-13 12:26:42	pinkieval	could it be because of this? https://twitter.com/IRCCloud/status/1397480769560489984
2021-06-13 12:27:13	mst	pinkieval: I feel like "spite" would be an unfortunate reason, if true
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2021-06-13 12:27:49	alienBOB	Well, spite is what seems to drive the owners and staff of Freenode now
2021-06-13 12:27:51	novns	mst, they will say something about "those racists from irccloud who are nothing but destructive"
2021-06-13 12:28:00	@phanes	im actually not terribly invested what a closed source product thinks about freenode
2021-06-13 12:28:04	@phanes	*in what
2021-06-13 12:28:46	crabbedhaloablut	Says the guy who just booted the fsf off freenode
2021-06-13 12:28:58	novns	phanes, are you invested in your userbase?
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2021-06-13 12:29:04	@phanes	f/oss was never about what gigantic corporations think
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2021-06-13 12:29:20	mst	phanes: that's the thing, people should be allowed to use whatever client they want and make their own choices
2021-06-13 12:29:25	@phanes	oh neat it's alienbob
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2021-06-13 12:29:48	alienBOB	Hi phanes you are definitely not the person that should have become a Freenode staffer. Out of spite you seem to have k-lined a Slackware coreteam member and several high-profile Slackware community leaders. If these k-lines are not reverted and rasengan hereby I request to have the k-lines removed, then I have proven my point.
2021-06-13 12:29:49	epony	crabbedhaloablut, you mean the liberalt takeover that the free software communities experienced in the last 2 mandates?
2021-06-13 12:29:55	@phanes	!routlette
2021-06-13 12:29:58	epony	(3 actually)
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2021-06-13 12:30:14	mst	personally, I mostly use irccloud to get a less annoying interface to slack
2021-06-13 12:30:15	pinkieval	phanes: is freenodecom open source?
2021-06-13 12:30:17	@phanes	thanks for reminding me that you needed to be removed alienbob
2021-06-13 12:30:18	crabbedhaloablut	phanes: failroll
2021-06-13 12:30:25	alienBOB	It will also mean phanes and rasengan that Slackware Linux, a hig-profile FLOSS project, will be quite clear in its assessment of how Freenode went down
2021-06-13 12:30:31	@phanes	you've been prodding people forever
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2021-06-13 12:30:37	@phanes	you're toxic and your filter is dirty
2021-06-13 12:30:58	chikorita	I don't think picking a fight with Slackware is a smart move
2021-06-13 12:31:00	alienBOB	phanes, talking about yourself again in a mirror? Is this how you show leadership?
2021-06-13 12:31:03	@phanes	and you should apologize for cyberlynching
2021-06-13 12:31:10	@phanes	which you did participate in
2021-06-13 12:31:10	epony	crabbedhaloablut, you have to thank the influencers for breaking your freedoms and imposing fashion and newshype instead of software and quality
2021-06-13 12:31:15	alienBOB	phanes, cyberlynching? WTF?
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2021-06-13 12:31:28	Zuroger-KUB20	I'm sorry I'm late to learning of these events in the IRC, but one thing is fishy how did they set up all the new servers so fast, seems like this thing was planned and coordinated IMO, the many of the media also semeed to just repeat the allegations which is jumping to conclusions
2021-06-13 12:31:58	mst	chikorita: they already picked a fight with ubuntu, the fsf, wikimedia, python and a bunch of others, slackware's pretty minor at this point
2021-06-13 12:32:00	@phanes	and when you were not participating you were enabling it and turning a blind eye to it
2021-06-13 12:32:07	epony	crabbedhaloablut, so the real fail is on the social portals towards communities, and not only software projects
2021-06-13 12:32:16	@phanes	and now you're watching folks try to rewrite history
2021-06-13 12:32:20	chikorita	Zuroger-KUB20: It was of course planned. The libera.chat option was a last resort. And the former staff were forced to do it.
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2021-06-13 12:32:22	alienBOB	Zuroger-KUB20, by reading the discussion I am now having with the new Freenode staff and rasengan approving of it, it is clear that the move was born out of need
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2021-06-13 12:32:26	@phanes	you're dishonest and you need to leave
2021-06-13 12:32:31	crabbedhaloablut	It's funny, even when they are the actual admins with all the power, they still think people are conspiring against them.
2021-06-13 12:32:44	Guest42420	Zuroger-KUB20: legal tensions were brewing behind the scenes for a bit prior to the public announcement and resignations
2021-06-13 12:32:52	chikorita	crabbedhaloablut: They have a victim mentality
2021-06-13 12:32:58	mst	Zuroger-KUB20: nah, freenode added a bunch of servers immediately after the takeover by repurposing systems they already had available, including some that used to be part of another now-defunct IRC network
2021-06-13 12:33:13	alienBOB	Supporting FOSS? You have to be kidding me. Silencing people that the staff is unhappy with, is what is happening here. No different from Russia, or China
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2021-06-13 12:33:21	mst	Zuroger-KUB20: nothing fishy about rasengan's actions there
2021-06-13 12:33:30	crabbedhaloablut	chikorita: I feel strange calling them snowflakes
2021-06-13 12:33:41	chikorita	lol
2021-06-13 12:33:42	Zuroger-KUB20	Unless the servers were prepared or the whole thing received a lot of backing from the major channel groups that moved, ... I guess if that was known then my apologies, I wasn't following these events in the years prior, but I guess we normal users should care too.
2021-06-13 12:34:21	Guest42420	Zuroger-KUB20: many large communities moved very quickly upon learning about the situation
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2021-06-13 12:34:33	chikorita	Zuroger-KUB20: libera had problems at the start btw, they experienced a lot of netsplits. the new servers came like 2 days after launch
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2021-06-13 12:34:46	wigums	phanes lol who klined alienbob?
2021-06-13 12:34:58	crabbedhaloablut	The first day, it took me 2 minutes to complete a login.
2021-06-13 12:35:05	epony	crabbedhaloablut, you can use the word influencers and showbiz performers (public relations stunt micro-teams)
2021-06-13 12:35:16	chikorita	wigums: I think it's pretty obvious who lol
2021-06-13 12:35:21	epony	(socketeering)
2021-06-13 12:35:22	mst	epony: what are you even gibbering about?
2021-06-13 12:35:22	novns	wigums, "some people were killed by mistake"
2021-06-13 12:35:39	wigums	sorry i just sat down. didnt follow the convo
2021-06-13 12:35:52	epony	mst, are you from the other network too?
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2021-06-13 12:36:04	mst	epony: eh?
2021-06-13 12:36:06	novns	wigums, they never answer these questions
2021-06-13 12:36:20	epony	your channel got moved and you're still here.. playing not really informed..
2021-06-13 12:36:42	esseos	hi
2021-06-13 12:36:49	chikorita	Anyway since IRCCloud was apparently banned for being "closed source", would that mean mIRC users won't be able to connect to freenode as well?
2021-06-13 12:37:09	pinkieval	and what about IglooIRC usrs?
2021-06-13 12:37:09	mst	epony: I'm specifically asking what *you* are talking about, I don't see how this is relevant
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2021-06-13 12:37:17	mst	also I'm currently maintaining more than one channel on here still
2021-06-13 12:37:41	mst	so "your channel got moved" doesn't make sense as a sentence to apply to me at all
2021-06-13 12:37:46	epony	mst, you can't ask me anything ;-) because you are not even sincere in your question
2021-06-13 12:37:46	esseos	what happene to ##linux here and why was it cleared for no reason?
2021-06-13 12:37:48	novns	chikorita, Freenode is going to bring IRC to new level.  it means some non-standard protocol and one official client to choose from
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2021-06-13 12:38:03	esseos	are you guys transforming this network into troll nettwork?
2021-06-13 12:38:04	wigums	lol
2021-06-13 12:38:05	mst	epony: I'm sorry, do you need a safe space
2021-06-13 12:38:22	chikorita	novns: so they're going to ignore all the efforts made by the ircv3 working group
2021-06-13 12:38:35	chikorita	esseos: yes
2021-06-13 12:38:42	esseos	clearly
2021-06-13 12:38:46	novns	chikorita, they ignore common sense
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2021-06-13 12:38:47	audemenon	Esseos: None Of The Staff Take Their Roles Seriously And Instead Cosplay Judge Dredd
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2021-06-13 12:39:08	crabbedhaloablut	esseos: yes, that is what is happening.
2021-06-13 12:39:13	Zuroger-KUB20	I'm not sure about the latest-pre-split or latest-post-split policies and I wouldn't want to drag the discussion there, but from all my reading there seems to be also political differences ... then this kinda isn't a surprise. In general I believe that historically in our world the two larges political sides have always been totally fundamentally opposed and in such a case there really is no peaceful coexistance ever possible, so I guess
2021-06-13 12:39:13	Zuroger-KUB20	if that's also one of the reasons then I guess the split is for the better.
2021-06-13 12:39:16	epony	mst, what are you sorry about? the decision of your micro unofficial community to remain here while you wanted to leave?
2021-06-13 12:39:16	chikorita	novns: as if they had common sense in the first place lol
2021-06-13 12:39:59	esseos	freenode is FOSS? freenode is TROLLS and I play I AM AN IRC OPER I can kline and close channels
2021-06-13 12:40:00	esseos	LOL
2021-06-13 12:40:04	esseos	losers.
2021-06-13 12:40:09	mst	epony: yep, ok, you're just butthurt and unwilling to actually engage in a conversation, fair enough
2021-06-13 12:40:13	esseos	rasengan, you are a retard and a loser.
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2021-06-13 12:40:24	mst	epony: go play in the kids area with the SJWs I guess
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2021-06-13 12:43:01	epony	mst, (in short: no u) here is the factology: you're an IRC personality too, exactly like the other kids, but I have not seen what you're confronting yet so apply your own wording to yourself
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2021-06-13 12:43:43	mst	it's amazing the lengths you'll go to to dodge a simple question
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2021-06-13 12:44:15	epony	there was no question, just measure self before comparison
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2021-06-13 12:45:04	mst	you were talking about influences and performers and I asked you how that related to anything
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2021-06-13 12:45:24	mst	still waiting for an answer
2021-06-13 12:45:26	epony	mst, I was not talking to you, read back if you like ;-)
2021-06-13 12:46:00	mst	if you're going to talk in a public channel, you can expect people to question things you say
2021-06-13 12:46:07	epony	but if you are so lazy: what you see called the other network are a bunch of influencers behaviour patterns
2021-06-13 12:46:11	mst	it's ok if you don't have an answer and can't cope with disagreement, you can just say that
2021-06-13 12:46:49	mst	I still don't understand how 'influencers' related, restaating the same thing without facts isn't a response
2021-06-13 12:46:51	epony	mst, still waiting for answers to non questions?
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2021-06-13 12:47:25	epony	what facts other than "the libera stunt".. you're aware of what happened
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2021-06-13 12:47:57	mst	how was users choosing to move to a network run by the team they were used to working with anything to do with influencers?
2021-06-13 12:48:15	epony	mst, so when you talk about sjw, look the other place there is your target audience
2021-06-13 12:48:27	BrianG61UK	Thanks everyone. Gotta go out now. Bye
2021-06-13 12:48:39	mst	nah, really isn't, the SJWs hate my guts
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2021-06-13 12:48:44	novns	mst, it's useless.  expect no real answer
2021-06-13 12:48:47	epony	mst, define users choosing?
2021-06-13 12:49:11	epony	like spam, nuking channels and screaming like crazy all over the internet
2021-06-13 12:49:12	mst	I mean, this is the network whose owner claimed all criticism of him was racism
2021-06-13 12:49:26	epony	mst, but I am talking with you now
2021-06-13 12:49:34	epony	since you insist
2021-06-13 12:49:54	mst	so really, which is the sjw network again?
2021-06-13 12:49:57	epony	did you give your #perl channel users choice?
2021-06-13 12:50:28	novns	epony, every archlinux user decided to move when channels were suddenly locked by new staff.   and there was no any spam or mention of libera before
2021-06-13 12:50:33	mst	yes, until the spam problem got so bad the channel was effectively useless - we're now set up as +q $~a unless/until the new management get the antispam working
2021-06-13 12:50:35	epony	don't lie
2021-06-13 12:50:59	epony	mst, you were managing the channels both of you novns in archlinux and mst in perl
2021-06-13 12:51:14	epony	so it is your responsibility and you complain of mismanagement
2021-06-13 12:51:17	mst	which is why we know more than you do about the channels, yes
2021-06-13 12:51:19	novns	epony, official position of archlinux was "we are not sure what's happened, not planning to move anywhere"
2021-06-13 12:51:21	epony	logic fail?
2021-06-13 12:51:47	novns	epony, and then channels were closed by ircops
2021-06-13 12:52:21	novns	suddenly, without any spam, arguments, etc
2021-06-13 12:52:47	epony	yes.. the more you keep thinking about that moment, the more you fail to see that you decided to move out and pressured users, while pretending they ALL chose for themselves that way
2021-06-13 12:53:20	mst	hijacking a bunch of channels that hadn't actually decided to move was not the greatest PR event
2021-06-13 12:53:27	mst	there was even an apology posted about it
2021-06-13 12:53:29	epony	it was not their own choice and people would never have moved becaue of a couple of influencers you all former staff
2021-06-13 12:53:47	epony	because nobody was bothered to care for your political insinuations
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2021-06-13 12:53:57	mst	since andrew admitted that was a mistake, I'm going to believe him over you
2021-06-13 12:54:00	novns	epony, new staff have made disastrous moves, and now blame "some racist influencers"
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2021-06-13 12:54:29	mst	yeah, 'political insinuations' is just FUD
2021-06-13 12:54:33	epony	the mistakes happen when former staff behave bastardly and apply asymmetric pressure
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2021-06-13 12:54:40	epony	to which everyone is informed
2021-06-13 12:54:41	mst	it's like listening to a hillary supporter in 2017
2021-06-13 12:54:54	novns	epony, what pressure was with archlinux channels?
2021-06-13 12:55:09	mst	pure whiny invented victimhood
2021-06-13 12:55:33	epony	mst, what?
2021-06-13 12:55:43	novns	epony, archlinux was "we are staying here, no reason to move"
2021-06-13 12:55:57	epony	mst, compare ethos and behaviour again
2021-06-13 12:55:58	novns	epony, and what was the pressure actually?
2021-06-13 12:56:21	novns	epony, why loyal channels were taken over?
2021-06-13 12:56:23	mst	epony: I am doing, and you're gibbering about 'politicial insinuations' when politics was nothing to do with any of this
2021-06-13 12:56:27	epony	novns, you know very well, and I listed it a couple of times a minute ago
2021-06-13 12:56:40	epony	mst, what are you doing?
2021-06-13 12:56:42	novns	epony, "spam" - there was no spam
2021-06-13 12:56:51	novns	epony, "pressure" - there was no pressure
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2021-06-13 12:57:10	mst	novns: epony's feelings don't care about your facts
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2021-06-13 12:57:50	novns	epony, I suspect new staff get drunk celebrating their new power
2021-06-13 12:57:50	Zuroger-KUB20	One thing that's funny is how so many are talking about "organizations run by communities, for the people by the people" ... why are so many using twitter/github then :p
2021-06-13 12:58:20	novns	Zuroger-KUB20, because it's comfortable to use some services
2021-06-13 12:58:33	novns	just never depend on those
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2021-06-13 12:58:44	epony	novns, you're repeating some combined echo chamber nonsense, on top of mst insinuating feelings and image board memetics
2021-06-13 12:58:47	crabbedhaloablut	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1404027449982296065
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2021-06-13 12:59:02	crabbedhaloablut	Even schestowitz disapproves
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2021-06-13 12:59:18	novns	epony, here in #freenode channel - what echo chamber?
2021-06-13 12:59:21	epony	mst, my personal opinion is you're not doing anything, since you did what you could and wanted to do
2021-06-13 12:59:23	oaken-source	the beauty of git is that it doesn't care where your repository is hosted
2021-06-13 12:59:47	SysGhost	channel archlinux is once again forced to be "official" despite that there's no official archlinux on freenode. How come? Is there something I'm missing? ( ## vs # )
2021-06-13 12:59:47	oaken-source	unlike cvs for example
2021-06-13 12:59:50	mst	epony: you're making emotional arguments without substance, we're presenting facts
2021-06-13 13:00:02	mst	SysGhost: oh, they've been doing that with everything
2021-06-13 13:00:10	novns	epony, no real answers from you, just slippery wagging
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2021-06-13 13:00:20	epony	mst, what emotions are you talking about all the time?  you have mislead people on IRC and you blame it on others
2021-06-13 13:00:33	SysGhost	mst: oh. Any clues of why?
2021-06-13 13:01:06	novns	SysGhost, Freenode tries to pretend that everything here is official
2021-06-13 13:01:10	SysGhost	Feels like one is forced to stay official on freenode against ones will.
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2021-06-13 13:01:15	epony	novns, are you confused I was intending to fulfil your commands to produce evidence for your lies?
2021-06-13 13:01:28	novns	epony, what lies?
2021-06-13 13:01:29	Zuroger-KUB20	The linux community is really not what I was thinking back in the 2000' to be, it's mostly university and enterprise influenced and we all know which political side they usually cater to, so yeah, it's also all about politics, it always will be, this is the reality, same as it is in the animal world, same thing in the chemistry, some can't live together, some will have a reaction upon contact, there is actually no problem, this is how the
2021-06-13 13:01:29	Zuroger-KUB20	universe works.
2021-06-13 13:01:35	novns	epony, what lies exactly?
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2021-06-13 13:02:12	oaken-source	research does care less about politics than it probably should.
2021-06-13 13:02:13	epony	you both of you, mst and novns, can demonstrate what you did with your channels and are still back into managing these channels while criticising the network
2021-06-13 13:02:14	ptx0	novns: so you admit you're lying?
2021-06-13 13:02:20	novns	archlinux stayed loyal to freenode until the moment of takeover
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2021-06-13 13:02:27	epony	can you be more hypocritical than that?
2021-06-13 13:02:30	novns	no lies here
2021-06-13 13:02:32	crabbedhaloablut	https://i.redd.it/mxzegfoal0571.jpg
2021-06-13 13:02:36	oaken-source	students have gotten so disinterested in the last decade
2021-06-13 13:02:40	audemenon	Ptx0: Why Are You Begging The Question
2021-06-13 13:02:43	novns	takeover had place
2021-06-13 13:02:44	novns	no lies here
2021-06-13 13:02:54	ptx0	Why Are You Capitalising Every Letter?
2021-06-13 13:03:08	epony	if that was the case why were the channels decimated while you were managing them?
2021-06-13 13:03:14	novns	it's new freenode staff who forced people to move, not some influencers
2021-06-13 13:03:21	novns	no lies here
2021-06-13 13:03:27	epony	and you think you can issue "feelings" statements?
2021-06-13 13:03:33	ptx0	new freenode staff only closed/redirected channels that were spamming
2021-06-13 13:03:46	audemenon	Ptx: It Is Ironic That You Can Only Attack The Form And Not The Substance
2021-06-13 13:03:52	ptx0	they did not force anyone to move, that's what you idiots did
2021-06-13 13:04:00	novns	ptx0, there was no spam in archlinux channels, archlinux was loyal to freenode
2021-06-13 13:04:05	ptx0	audemenon: Isn't It Ironic That's What You Do?
2021-06-13 13:04:15	oaken-source	please no insults. there's been enough of that
2021-06-13 13:04:18	Koragg	Why did they only go after channels moving to that network and not say oftc though?
2021-06-13 13:04:20	Zuroger-KUB20	The libera thing seemed rushing to conclusions, agressive in it's marketing of the alternative and with bold accusations, that was obvious from the beginning so yeah I hope channels don't rush to conclusions.
2021-06-13 13:04:36	ptx0	all because of one man's smear campaign; joepie91
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2021-06-13 13:04:50	novns	ptx0, I repeat, there was no spam in ahcrlinux.  archlinux was goind to stay on freenode.  and then - takeover, for no reason
2021-06-13 13:04:58	ptx0	"for no reason"
2021-06-13 13:05:05	novns	fo no real reason
2021-06-13 13:05:11	ptx0	haha everyone who was ever banned was also for no real reason
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2021-06-13 13:05:16	novns	just for some "spam" you imagine
2021-06-13 13:05:19	ptx0	it's like how only innocent people are in jail
2021-06-13 13:05:28	ptx0	get over it
2021-06-13 13:05:39	oaken-source	that's a false analogy.
2021-06-13 13:05:53	novns	ptx0, archlinux got over it, it moved from this place that became toxic
2021-06-13 13:05:56	oaken-source	people are in jail only when proven guilt.
2021-06-13 13:05:56	Koragg	Staff even admitted that some channels were wrongly "taken over"
2021-06-13 13:06:09	Zuroger-KUB20	mst: where's the apology about the too haste takeover tho, haven't came across it.
2021-06-13 13:06:09	ptx0	and apologised
2021-06-13 13:06:25	ptx0	Zuroger-KUB20: it isn't our job to do your homework
2021-06-13 13:06:26	crabbedhaloablut	It get's tiring listening to these snowflakes sometimes, everything seems to be Old Staff's fault.
2021-06-13 13:06:35	ptx0	crabbedhaloablut: so why are you even here
2021-06-13 13:06:37	ptx0	GTFO
2021-06-13 13:06:56	crabbedhaloablut	ptx0: I'll extend you the same courtesy
2021-06-13 13:06:58	Koragg	So people shouldn't criticize just leave?
2021-06-13 13:06:58	ptx0	go give hedonistic blowies and handies to your beloved staff at their new network
2021-06-13 13:07:06	oaken-source	could we please have civil discussion.
2021-06-13 13:07:12	audemenon	Zuroger-KUB20: https://freenode.net/news/post-mortem-may21
2021-06-13 13:07:15	ptx0	oaken-source: no