[05:16] hey [05:16] hey [05:20] Sorry my client just crashed. [05:22] https://devilfruit.com:9000/uploads/0461a64f0ac63b1f/image.png I wanted to privately share this with you. [05:22] This is not for public consumption and is simply something I wanted to provide to you in trust so that you could better understand whether or not I'm telling the truth about logos being there as normal for /years/ and the staff being aware. [05:24] (Contrary to claims made!) [05:25] I am sure because I saw [05:26] Absolutely - anyone who actually went to the site would know that lol :/ [05:29] I've just fixed loads of typos in my draft [05:30] hence slow to respond [05:30] Nice, I'll check it out! [05:30] https://web.archive.org/web/20171228014153/https://freenode.net/ [05:30] they bark up the wrong tree [05:30] like we have nothing better to campaign against [05:31] It makes no sense. Paul Graham wrote an excellent article though: http://paulgraham.com/fn.html [05:34] he hits the nail on the head [05:48] my 2 cents: [05:49] it's a scale issue, you cannot response to everyone [05:49] put statements every now and then and let people decide for themselves [05:50] Thanks for the advice - and I agree. It's very difficult. [05:50] I will revisit this later and monitor what's happening in general. Talk to people like Tom (I think) who are still open to discussion. [05:50] I also want to make sure that nobody talks negatively in the end about the former staff either - let's try to make sure that credit is given where its due. [05:51] yes, better not to name anybody [05:51] Absolutely, Tom and I are in discussion despite everything! [05:52] I spent an hour removing names of people when I wrote about it 2 weeks ago [05:52] it's a corporate-political thing [05:52] they've done this to me for 15 years [05:53] That's really kind of you to do so. ;o [05:53] facts are facts [05:53] politics are self-serving [05:55] Agreed [23:55] https://devilfruit.com:9000/uploads/c0ca1810e9d5e92a/image.png [23:55] sorry sending here cuz this chat box can't handle traffic [23:55] but feel free to share that image in a diff url because it happened in a public channel. [23:56] #freenode-staff-discussion specifically [23:59] I sent it to alexei (revan) [23:59] i also sent it to him haha so all good [00:08] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2011/jun/28/lulzsec-hacking-analysed-relationships interesting article about joepie o-o [00:08] not sharing this in public because this is in a way doxxing. but i came across this when trying to find that github post [00:09] Sabu.. [00:10] sure helps to know WhosWho(TM) [00:12] joepie is the one who posted the summary of the freenode situation on gist ;o [00:19] I saw github used to construct many false timelines before [00:19] but it's not the platform that's the issue [00:21] you need to read https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ [00:29] checking it out! [00:33] some similar patterns, not the same situation, fanning flames and all [02:23] https://devilfruit.com:9000/uploads/6e9a94179c250fac/On%20freenode.pdf [02:24] If you decide to publish this, please put the pdf on another server though - it's your choice though. Anyway this is a full explanation and detail of what happened with screenshots to prove it. [02:24] This should clear all doubts. [05:58] thanks, I shall take a look later [23:49] Hey [23:49] hi [23:50] Really off topic - have you looked into everything going on with Epstein, Maxwell, Gates, etc? [23:50] I have [23:50] http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2020 [23:50] nice, thank you [23:50] we did the most in-depth investigation [23:50] Seattle Police send us ~3000 pages [23:50] we publish most [23:51] Amazing. So you're very aware of everything I can see. [23:51] in some areas [23:51] Way more so than I am. [23:51] I agreed about people attempting to fracture communities; it's not new but it intensified a lot lately [23:51] we're being played by some conglomerates [23:52] It's unfortunate, but I think it's okay. [23:52] I have leaks from insider Microsoft highlighting this strategy and spelling it out, 2 decades back [23:52] I've actually been around IRC for a lot longer than people seem to try to imply... [23:52] This has happened in the past. [23:52] yes, it's old [23:52] we wrote about it ages ago [23:53] It's the same reason I knew that when Bitcoin was out, there would be many many more coming; just like IRC networks. [23:53] I am no cryptocurrency expert, so cannot comment much [23:54] I have a personal question to you [23:54] on a non-fiscal level, what are your life's objectives? [00:03] My life's objectives... lol that's a pretty loaded question ;) [00:04] Ok, let me try. I have to type fast because there's a lot going on in that freenode-policy-feedback channel... [00:04] Actually - it's not something I can rush. [00:04] Can I answer after fpf calms down a bit? [00:12] sure [00:12] better to be patient and sincere. I just always try to understand people I speak to. [20:25] Hey sorry about the delay - I owe you a response! It's been very very busy, so it was a bit tough to kind of field what was going on both here, as well as the things I'm already dealing with outside of IRC. [20:25] Juggling. ;) [20:25] I am happy yo hear kaniini is back to helping freenode [20:25] she hosts techrights and reads it [20:25] She is no longer with freenode. :-( [20:26] She tried -- but when she joined, people then started attacking her in a way. [20:26] It was too much. [20:26] I told her to try to have everyone direct their attacks at me, but to no avail. You can't really choose where it gets directed. [20:26] The mob has its own agendas so to speak. [20:27] She's still going to be helping as an advisor though. [20:27] Cool [20:27] (And has also sent several people she is close to and had a working relationship with that she believes can help) [20:27] I know those situations, peer pressure is a powerful factor [20:27] I too get attacked for things I wrote about freenode [20:27] For sure [20:27] ah :( that sucks, I'm sorry for that. [20:28] now, regarding my query to you... [20:30] needing to know the sincerity of sources/people/actors is key [20:30] feel free to take time before responding [20:31] side note: word what you time in IRC channels carefully as people PM me with things taken out of context or misinterpretations of what you had said [20:34] Can I write to you in confidence? [20:34] [eg confidentially] [20:35] yes, only the freenode can see it [20:35] if there are parts you'd like to report you could ask me maybe... ;o [20:35] I don't think freenode can see it either lol (those rumors aren't true) ;P [20:35] in 15 years i never compromised a source, not even accidentally [20:35] I have great love for my family, my children, my friends and my colleagues. That's what keeps me going when things get tough. [20:36] you have a target on your back rn [20:36] I'm a pretty normal guy. Grew up in middle America. Worked in highschool, played soccer(futbol), and I did go to university. [20:36] they will comb through anything you ever did and make a worst case scenario out of it [20:36] hence privacy matters [20:36] true [20:36] I was goalie for many years [20:37] similat story [20:37] my wife is east asian [20:37] When I was at university, I don't think it was right for me, and unfortunately, I was unable to graduate. However, throughout this time, I've been into computers... (grew up a lot on IRC for example), and so forth. I learned to code thru IRC because of IRC scripting etc. [20:37] modest upbringing [20:37] ooo nice :D [20:37] yes, irc was the first thing I did when I got a connection [20:37] dial-up modem [20:37] Haha me too xD [20:38] I had to write my dialup scripts to initialize the modem on slackware lol [20:38] before or around the time I started coding [20:38] ppp-up down scripts etc lol [20:38] slackware has a new release [20:38] afaik, they still use freenode [20:38] many of us rely a lot in irx [20:38] [20:29] [20:26] do you have another method of contact? [20:38] [20:29] [20:26] yes [20:38] [20:29] [20:26] email with pgp [20:38] [20:29] [20:26] http://schestowitz.com/PGP/ [20:38] [20:29] [20:27] thanks [20:38] [20:29] [20:27] np [20:38] 10 mins ago [20:38] potential leaker [20:38] nice [20:39] so anyway, long story short, this is where things start getting weird in my life. [20:39] well, it turned out OK, I guess [20:39] just brush off the haters [20:39] they will put you down [20:39] focus on potential help from people on the fence [20:40] So I end up making this company Private Internet Access. I was into privacy from a 'hide my ip' on IRC perspective, but the fundamentals of privacy weren't really ingrained in my mind. At the time, I wasn't exactly an activist in the way I am now. [20:40] That company also, did way better than I had ever expected. [20:40] you gave away a lot about your personal life [20:40] like Jack Ma's paper [20:40] with the mansion and all [20:40] During that time, I became a heavy activist and there were a lot of weird things that started coming out... [20:40] Ah yeah, that was... well mixed. I'm not going to say that was bad or good :o [20:41] But anyway, it was really weird because I was born on dec 31 1983 [20:41] anything you divulge can and will be distorted [20:41] 2 years after me (17 dec) [20:41] oo nice [20:41] PIA will be target for many groups [20:42] inc. those looking to discredit the very concept of privacy [20:42] https://www.cryptoparty.in/ [20:42] learned helplessness [20:42] It was weird though because i went to this website -- and ti said party like its dec 31 1983 [20:42] in case you are not familiar with it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness [20:42] that really messed me up when i saw that. i was really weirded out. [20:42] but thats not the weirdest. [20:42] cryptoparty lost traction [20:42] What turned out -- I don't know if you saw -- was that although I didn't know -- I was a member of a family that used to be the ruling family of korea [20:43] in the news this weekend: Matt Taibbi: Journalists have shifted public opinion in support of intelligence agencies https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/554610-matt-taibbi-journalists-have-shifted-public-opinion-in-support-of-intelligence [20:43] And the last direct descendent of it passed that to me [20:43] was that before Japan took over? [20:43] Yes [20:43] I forgot the details I used to know very well [20:43] my wife's country was also occupied by japan [20:43] And so at this point I'm really just like oh ok. Still not thinking too much of it (I'll get into details of japan here as well in a sec, because thats where this is going) [20:43] her grandpa fought them [20:44] makes sense [20:44] korea is a fascinating country, culturally [20:44] So I'm just sitting around minding my own business and trying to focus on a few things... exercising... pretty unrelated to IRC.... and also unrelated to korea/joseon.... im really just minding my own business... and then [20:44] but the average "yank" is jealous [20:44] becuase the US cannot compete with JP/KR engineering [20:45] someone out of the blue contacts me and tells me to start looking up something about katsura taft agreement or something. and im really weirded out at this point. [20:45] and it'll sooner or later replace all the US brands [20:45] true they do have good engineering [20:45] So I lookup this agreement and lo and behold my life changes. [20:45] yeah [20:45] but. [20:45] that is not "you" [20:45] It sends me down a rabbit hole and i start looking up a ton of information. [20:45] it's status by association [20:46] I as a human don't exist anymore, I'll get there in a second [20:46] and I think people need to rely on accomplishments of their own. Many rich people never made anything of their own. [20:46] So it turns out in 1910 the prime minister of korea signed a treaty with the emperor of japan. [20:46] However, he was not a signatory for the sovereign state for one.... [20:46] But even if you might want to deem it a valid transaction, in 1965, Korea and Japan signed the Treaty on Basic Relations. [20:47] This treaty has article number one stating: All treaties signed on or before august something 1910 are null and void. This means that the annexation of joseon into Japan was null and void. [20:47] was there a 1930 event (IIRC)? [20:47] I forgot the annexation story [20:47] 1910 was the annexation of korea to japan and then there were a ton of independence movements etc. ;o [20:47] i see... [20:47] So anyway what ended up happening is Joseon still exists. On paper. A Paper nation so to speak. [20:48] interesting [20:48] (and I am in control of that nation of joseon technically) [20:48] in political context, it might be trickier [20:48] however, here's the catch: a nation has to follow the montevideo convention to be declared or recognized a nation internationally [20:49] And of the 4 criteria to be a nation... 3 of them are easy to fulfill, 1 is hard -- territory. [20:49] even the korean government would object [20:49] However, another project i've been contributing to - handshake - created a decentralized blockchain that nobody owns (a sea), and within that sea, I own the name joseon which only I have the private key for. Therefore, joseon has its 'territory' [20:50] Yea the korean govt might try to act some way but in their constitution its in their version of the bill of rights [20:50] I don't trust any of those governments tbh [20:50] that they have to 'show preference' to the imperial family. i dont know what that means at all or if its been court tested/etc. but im sure it means they can't stop joseon etc. ;o [20:50] politics and law are different things [20:50] true (we see that with freenode here) [20:50] But the thing is - this joseon country the weird thing about it [20:51] It has treaties with 4 nations (9 but 5 countries no longer exist, e.g., kingdom of italy -> republic of italy) [20:51] However, the US, UK, Kingdom of Belgium, and Kingdom of Denmark all still exist. [20:51] maybe see brunei [20:51] These treaties hold language that specifically states: "perpetual friendship"(us) and "permanent friendship"(uk) [20:51] but their sultanate goes way back [20:52] So now if you take everything I just shared with you relating to joseon - and add it up, what it means is there's an existing nation by international law, protected by internatinoal law, that also maitnains 4 treaties that were signed under international law [20:52] china would likely threaten sovereignty regardless... citing "South China Sea" or even East of China... [20:52] true... but because of this nation existing and i've run by 3 diff law firms [20:52] but that's the easy part [20:52] they are all confident that this argument will hold in whatever courts _attempt_ to apply jurisdiction over it [20:53] there's no basis for it in practice just yet [20:53] For sure [20:53] macao has been around for ages [20:53] Well, this will start a new era of digital nations. This is my hope. [20:53] wife's grandma is connected to it, and afaik it's just a tax haven for banks and stuff... and casinos of course [20:54] But moreover, there's something else I want to see if it can be done: I want to cause world peace, and I want to cause a massive cash reset. Cryptocurrency/blockchain/etc. may catch a bad rap [20:54] digital nations are nice and all... but they don't have weapons [20:54] But I think something great can be done. [20:54] the nations with more physical power and nuke stomp on intl' law [20:54] 90%+ of the cash money is being held by 5000 rich people. [20:54] cash reset would be nice and needed [20:54] many of us strive for that [20:55] but we need to fight for decades against those who enjoy the status quo [20:55] The rest of us are meh. Even me, it's funny that people are like 'ahh lee is rich rich rich' but its like... yeah sure, im richer than the average, but i dont think they understand whats going on in the world. I'm like definitely at the bottom of any rich list if I'm even on one. :P [20:55] So basically, I'm hoping to open citizenship to the digital nation of joseon to eveyrone in the world [20:55] and everyone that joins will get an equal amoun tof a coin [20:55] which the coin will only have enough for 8billion people. [20:55] and everyone gets the same amount. [20:55] someone told me PIA was 32 million in debt [20:55] This is not to be confused with a wealth redistribution [20:55] (people will still own their assets etc etc etc) [20:55] speaking in broad them, I'm a sceptic by default [20:56] I'm not really allowed to speak on PIA due to some agreements, but I can answer in terms of that statement. [20:56] 32M debt for a person means something very different than 32M debt for a healthy company. [20:56] many businesses operate in loss or vacuum [20:56] the mainstream papers don't talk about debt properly [20:57] that's called a shell game [20:57] shuffling assets [20:57] depending on the audited/auditor [20:57] yeah... also let me explain what was going on there at pia again i can't really talk on this [20:57] but at the same time, this is in confidence and its a normal busines move so basiclly [20:57] let's take pia for example. i think a lot of this was published somewhere so im not disclosing anything [20:57] fair enough [20:57] basically it was making lets say like 60M dollars or something in 2019 or something in a year [20:58] revenue? [20:58] or income? [20:58] yeah [20:58] i'd say about half is income [20:58] what about profit? [20:58] like about half is profit i mean or income or wahtever [20:58] 2020 report now out yet? [20:58] i dont know anythign about that [20:58] or takeover supersedes it? [20:58] i think all the info has to come out publicly [20:58] because its a public company now [20:58] but anyway going back to the money so lets take 30m profit [20:58] yes, I saw some statements [20:58] but no breakdown for PIA [20:59] some people have another term like "EBITDA" [20:59] ah thats interesting. well these are pia #'s [20:59] good, I take your word for it [20:59] we need reliable VPNs [20:59] so basically there are companies who get valued based on EBITDA. like some multiple of it times EBITDA [20:59] but also - there are investors who do that. [20:59] the lingering concern is to do with a shady preceding name of the company Kape [20:59] HOWEVER - for a HEALTHY company making money [21:00] it doesn't make sense to take investment [21:00] and people find hard to reconcile VPN with their past extension or whatnot [21:00] unless youre going to raise a LOT of money on a Ridiculous valuation. [21:00] But even then it _still_ might not make sense. [21:00] so healthy companies will turn to debt [21:00] yeah [21:00] many do [21:00] (a lot of hosting companies for example do this). It's how much debt you take that can determine if youre bad or good tho lol [21:00] So they lend you like a number EBITDA times some multiple and tha tmultiple is usually called 'leveraged' [21:00] I heard that [21:01] so hosting companies i know do like 5x EBITDA laons so when u hear about them getting some debt facility or whatever [21:01] but then they lose some control [21:01] thats what they are doing let me find a recent press release i saw [21:01] thanks [21:01] https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/20/digitalocean-raises-100m-in-debt-as-it-scales-towards-revenue-of-300m-profitability/ [21:01] so its not cuz they were broken and in debt [21:01] they took the debt cuz its 'cheaper' than investment [21:01] if your company is gonna be worth 10x in 1 year [21:01] you're much better borrowing cash and just paying it back [21:01] than giving up yoru company at 1/10th its value [21:02] right, I see, but they lose control [21:02] party [21:03] *partly [21:03] In some cases yes [21:03] so what you are saying is that at one point, or now, you took personal debt where possible? [21:04] in pia's case that wasnt because we had all the leverage [21:04] since we didnt need the money. [21:04] took debt in the past not right now [21:04] paid back fully? [21:04] yah that debt doesnt exist [21:04] im sure however [21:04] that there is still debt associated w/ that company overall -- its probably publicly disclosed if there is -- but again [21:04] debt in itself is not unhealthy at all [21:04] (ok, so that eliminates one talking point) [21:05] its sometimes a sign of health ;x [21:05] say the lenders [21:05] I heard that talking point before [21:05] debt is a form of 'slavery' [21:05] it absolutely can be depending on the leverage for sure [21:05] it limits ability to do particular things [21:05] Tyson comes to mind [21:05] if the debter is simply looking for a healthy place to mark money and make a pre-agreed % of interest though and there aren't any further restrictive covenants outside of paying back [21:06] park* not mark [21:06] it really dpeends on the health of the company [21:06] sometimes it's a hack for the lender [21:06] that will give the leverage or not [21:06] they give you a finger [21:06] because they want your hand [21:06] for sure [21:06] if you're company isn't healthy you can get in that situation. [21:06] if you can't service the debt so to speak. [21:06] and letting you lose the ability to pay back gives them control over you/assets [21:06] in tech it's done a lot [21:06] but if you already have cash and can pay back whenever you feel like it lol [21:06] then they expel the founder etc. [21:06] and believe in what youre putting the money into [21:07] its a way to create a lot of value with little investment and no loss of equity etc. [21:07] if that makes sense [21:07] sort of [21:07] its like -- basically let me give an example here's another one [21:07] some is an oversimplication [21:07] if elon musk borrowed 100m dollars to go open 100 mcdonalds for example [21:07] microsoft and gates think they can buy everything [21:07] then he could buy a bunch of mcdonalds and pay back that 100m debt and it never touched his principal balance [21:07] and they use money to lure people into traps [21:08] (whcih is also accumulating interest) [21:08] if for some reason his mcdonalds plan failed [21:08] he has the cash to just pay the lenders back and he'll still have his mcdonalds [21:08] that example is an edge case [21:08] of someone already very rich [21:08] Ah - the thing is I got /really/ lucky in a way... because [21:08] It's true I was involved in bitcoin (and generally cryptocurrency) really early as well. [21:09] it's not doing too well now [21:09] It's kinda relative. ;o [21:09] If you got in at < $3 you can be nothing but thankful ;o [21:09] only hours ago: How I Lost $100,000 - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewGQcAX6J9I [21:10] look what happened in India and China [21:10] with bans and all [21:10] that can lead to turmoil [21:10] I agree. I expect much more ban to come. [21:10] the FUD aside [21:10] It was the most peculiar thing I had ever seen when i saw govts and institutions working with bitcoin lol [21:10] Wikileaks had its coin 'seized' by CoinBase, iIRC [21:11] in the very large pool you and I are very small fish [21:11] you have to hold your own coins for sure. [21:11] I agree. [21:11] with very little leverage over politics [21:11] I try to expose corruption, that's the little I can do [21:11] But I want to use my life to change something. I want to try it. [21:11] Exactly, you feel the same. We want to do what we can. [21:11] That's all. [21:11] privacy-centric VPNs help protect sources [21:11] I am sceptical that a gambling tycoon wants to help privacy [21:12] the people this rich loathe privacy, except their owbn [21:12] *own [21:12] Privacy is a cool business compared to a lot of businesses... [21:12] There's something called 'sustainable karma'... in that [21:12] Free software is an extension of all this [21:12] and consider what started this movement [21:12] A lot of people when they go make money - they go do bad things to make money. ripping ppl off. all that. [21:13] Privacy is a different kind of business. You make money if you do good. [21:13] yes, seen all that [21:13] You won't make money in the privacy if you do bad. [21:13] that's why by default I distrust people, except those I know well [21:13] you are well-intentioned [21:13] i think rather than try to trust, incentive structures have to be really welll put in place [21:13] so that people are incentivized to do good [21:13] not incentivized to do bad. [21:13] doesn't work in this panet [21:14] don't think it ever did (planet) [21:14] maybe... but i want to believe we can make it even a lil better [21:14] people who mean well don't amass more money than they need [21:14] everyone does things on incentives. [21:14]