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PetoKrausi don't really seee a start button thereNov 23 19:19
PetoKrausor this one: http://en.wikipedia.or...Nov 23 19:20
seller_LookNov 23 19:20
seller_Linux people do not create a APINov 23 19:20
trmancoKernel vulnerability found in Vista: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10106173-83...Nov 23 19:20
seller_Every linux distro should in theory create a API like windowsNov 23 19:21
trmancoA flaw in Vista's networking has been found that can crash the system, but no fix is expected until the next service packNov 23 19:21
PetoKraustrmanco: niceNov 23 19:21
PetoKrausseller_: well, yes, we can agree, yesNov 23 19:21
PetoKrausthat's what's freedesktop.org forNov 23 19:21
seller_where all the apps install without damage the APINov 23 19:21
trmancoI forgot the quotes on my last sentenceNov 23 19:21
PetoKrausthat's for example why E17 doesn't have tray supportNov 23 19:21
PetoKrausthe specification is poor an unimplementableNov 23 19:22
PetoKraus*andNov 23 19:22
seller_But the distros permits the apps remove the apiNov 23 19:22
seller_The same way like PC-BSDNov 23 19:22
PetoKrauswellNov 23 19:23
seller_API should not changed because of ANY applicationNov 23 19:23
seller_but the linux people permitsNov 23 19:23
neighborleetoo bad their installer is so awkward ( pcbsd) ( partitioning anyway)Nov 23 19:23
seller_I can install some app , but the app insists to install a new verision of XNov 23 19:23
seller_THIS IS WRONG!Nov 23 19:24
seller_X is a part of API and never can be altered without prior authorization of distro developersNov 23 19:24
PetoKrausevolving api's is signature of FOSS projectNov 23 19:24
PetoKrausthat's why you have versioning...Nov 23 19:24
PetoKrauseven .NET is not compatible troughout versionsNov 23 19:25
PetoKrausso i don't really understand what are you talking aboutNov 23 19:25
seller_The apps should not to update or change the apiNov 23 19:26
seller_API only can changed with user permissionNov 23 19:26
PetoKrausi don't think you understand what's an apiNov 23 19:26
seller_Because API changes modify the System completelyNov 23 19:26
seller_API is a set of System software (X, kernel, coreutils and glibc for example)Nov 23 19:27
PetoKrausnot reallyNov 23 19:28
PetoKraus"A set of functions that can be called from an application program to access features of another program."Nov 23 19:28
seller_I know about this conceptNov 23 19:29
seller_But What I'm saying isNov 23 19:29
PetoKrausthat api's should be consistent?Nov 23 19:29
PetoKrauswell, doh, yes, they should... but it's hard to do it, when most packages are moving targetNov 23 19:30
seller_Every distro developer should mantains a set of SoftwareNov 23 19:30
seller_and this set can not modified because of some appNov 23 19:30
PetoKrauswell, in proper distributions it's notNov 23 19:30
PetoKraussuch as debian stableNov 23 19:30
seller_Debian stableNov 23 19:31
PetoKrauswhich results in archaic packages....Nov 23 19:31
seller_does not use A apiNov 23 19:31
PetoKrausalright, stop this faggotryNov 23 19:31
seller_Every app which the user install can modify the kernel and other packagesNov 23 19:31
PetoKrausi am not the right person to educate people in software developmentNov 23 19:31
PetoKrausseller_: are you using ubuntu?Nov 23 19:31
seller_No, at moment I'm using the windowz and MibbitNov 23 19:32
seller_But in my machine I'm using Kubuntu 8.10Nov 23 19:32
PetoKrausi wanted to meet some of the people responsible for brainstorm's qualityNov 23 19:32
PetoKrausi guess I just found oneNov 23 19:32
PetoKrausit's almost like "remove grub delay - make user press f8 like on windows!!!"Nov 23 19:33
seller_But look Peter I'm not a trollNov 23 19:33
PetoKrauswell, i still doubt itNov 23 19:34
PetoKrausyou should consider your career in trollingNov 23 19:34
PetoKrausseriously, you'd be good at itNov 23 19:34
seller_WhyNov 23 19:34
seller_But lookNov 23 19:34
seller_To conquer Stupid people which uses windowzNov 23 19:35
seller_we must try to simulate windowz and crApple mac osNov 23 19:35
seller_Did you understand my API approach?Nov 23 19:36
PetoKraus1) mac os is almost perfect OS in terms of stability, usability etc. The moment they opensource it, I am moving. 2) The point is, after a year I realised i shouldn't be an evangelist. I know stallman is right, I know there are people, who don't see why I am not using opera just because it's closed source.Nov 23 19:36
seller_But did you understand my API Approach?Nov 23 19:37
PetoKraus3) you don't need to conquer. that kind of nullifies the principle of choiceNov 23 19:37
seller_yes we needNov 23 19:37
seller_of courseNov 23 19:37
PetoKraussince you obviously don't know what's an API, no. sorry.Nov 23 19:37
seller_not forcing peopleNov 23 19:37
seller_but forcing us to forcing peopleNov 23 19:38
seller_Look , my idea is not the same concept of "Application programming interface"Nov 23 19:38
PetoKrauswell, then don't redefine the language, please.Nov 23 19:38
seller_my idea is about to maintain "sealed packages"Nov 23 19:38
PetoKraussuch as debian stable?Nov 23 19:39
seller_these sealed packages should not be changed because of appsNov 23 19:39
seller_noNov 23 19:39
seller_debian stableNov 23 19:39
seller_does not use this ideaNov 23 19:39
PetoKraushowNov 23 19:39
seller_Debian permits to change every package usedNov 23 19:39
PetoKrausit's packages are thoroughly consistent.  The chance something breaks when you isntall it from their repo is almost 0%Nov 23 19:40
PetoKrauswell obviously... it's free softwareNov 23 19:40
*PetoKraus np: Pink Floyd - Careful With That Axe, Eugene (Ummagumma - Live Album)Nov 23 19:40
seller_Ever the user installs a simple package , the system can download a lot ofNov 23 19:40
seller_dependencies and removes a lot of packagesNov 23 19:40
PetoKrausand?Nov 23 19:41
seller_The app CANNOT change any "sealed packages"Nov 23 19:41
PetoKrauswhy, if it conflicts....Nov 23 19:41
PetoKrauswhat would you want it to do?Nov 23 19:42
seller_MultislotNov 23 19:42
seller_Install the two versions of same packageNov 23 19:42
seller_for exampleNov 23 19:42
seller_readNov 23 19:42
PetoKrauswell, that doesn't happen on debian stableNov 23 19:42
seller_beranger about linux mintNov 23 19:42
PetoKraussince all packages are built againist the same thingNov 23 19:42
seller_Beranger is very angry because linux mint does not have a repo to reverse the changes caused by appsNov 23 19:43
PetoKrausyou could use gentoo, where you have multislot, only for the packages that require itNov 23 19:43
PetoKrauswell, but Beranger is not your average userNov 23 19:44
seller_But gentoo uses a lot of Command line and does not have a Hardware ManagerNov 23 19:44
PetoKrausahaNov 23 19:44
PetoKrauswell, tough luckNov 23 19:44
PetoKrauslinux is definitely not for you then.Nov 23 19:44
seller_I Like Linux and other free OSesNov 23 19:44
seller_Look , if Linux mintNov 23 19:44
seller_block the system packagesNov 23 19:45
seller_the app can change the "sealed (or blocked packges)"Nov 23 19:45
seller_but Linux Mint permitsNov 23 19:45
seller_and then ,Linux Mint Lost all configurationNov 23 19:45
seller_For exampleNov 23 19:46
seller_I will create my distroNov 23 19:46
seller_LunarixNov 23 19:46
seller_And I will "seal"  kde, X,coreutils,linux ,X ,Mesa,Nov 23 19:47
seller_And then no app will try to install a new version or remove these sealed packegesNov 23 19:47
seller_The app can add or deleted but my system will be always the sameNov 23 19:47
PetoKrauswhich brings me again to the point of debian stableNov 23 19:48
PetoKrauswhich EXACTLY does thatNov 23 19:48
seller_I cannot say this about ubuntu where the user removes mono and lost everthingNov 23 19:48
seller_True ? DebianNov 23 19:49
seller_Tell me the sealed packages of DebianNov 23 19:49
PetoKrauswell you are not able to install anything which will force upgrade of your packagesNov 23 19:49
PetoKraussince it's not in the repoNov 23 19:49
PetoKrauseverything is build againist the same toolchain in one release...Nov 23 19:50
PetoKrausand obviously, if you try to uninstall core package, the system would cease to work, but duh, why would you do that in the first placeNov 23 19:50
seller_Please ,tell me the list of sealed packagesNov 23 19:51
PetoKraushttp://packages.debian.or...Nov 23 19:52
PetoKrausthat's your discrete environmentNov 23 19:52
PetoKrausyou can't install anything newer, anything older, since it's not in the repoNov 23 19:52
seller_This is wrongNov 23 19:52
PetoKrausyou are guaranteed, that the packages in the repo will not require update of other packagesNov 23 19:52
seller_You do not understandNov 23 19:52
PetoKrausif you are asking me to show you the list of packages you can't delete from the systemNov 23 19:53
seller_For example ,The debian people uses only one cdNov 23 19:53
PetoKrausthere is not such a thing. There are few people with warnings...Nov 23 19:53
PetoKrausand you are able to delete anything even on your Windows XPNov 23 19:53
PetoKrausand it'll break your system in both casesNov 23 19:53
PetoKrausbut that's not the problem of developers...Nov 23 19:54
PetoKrausPEBKAC.Nov 23 19:54
seller_I can remove VLC ,and Azureus and does happen nothing to windowsNov 23 19:55
seller_Because in Windows ,there are a separation in what is of "windows" (sealed)Nov 23 19:55
seller_and what is not of part of windowsNov 23 19:55
PetoKrauswell you can delete your system32 folder from big partNov 23 19:56
seller_Every app installed in windowz ,will not remove shell32Nov 23 19:56
seller_And every app will not update the shell32Nov 23 19:56
PetoKrauswell, no app on debian stable will remove gcc...Nov 23 19:56
trmancocan anybody post some links of news showing that MS is holding back IPv6?Nov 23 19:56
PetoKraustrmanco: isn't vista enough? :PNov 23 19:56
trmancojust need some proofNov 23 19:57
seller_But It' can try to updateNov 23 19:57
trmancoof news saying that windows is really holdin it backNov 23 19:57
seller_If app needs a new version of gcc ,the app must install a version in another slotNov 23 19:57
PetoKraushttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/060707-micr...Nov 23 19:58
PetoKrausseller_: well, gentoo?Nov 23 19:58
seller_Gentoo ,tries to update some apps tooNov 23 19:58
trmancoPetoKraus, thanksNov 23 19:58
trmancogot anymore?Nov 23 19:58
PetoKraustrmanco: looking around in googleNov 23 19:58
trmancookokNov 23 19:59
trmancoI am too | new.google.comNov 23 19:59
trmanconews*Nov 23 19:59
seller_Tries to update kernel, glibc ,and cause API breakNov 23 19:59
PetoKrausseller_: not reallyNov 23 19:59
PetoKrausand if it does, you just run revdep-rebuild which checks your linking and you're set.Nov 23 20:00
PetoKraustrmanco: http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorial...Nov 23 20:00
PetoKrausthe 4th paragraphNov 23 20:00
trmancofound thisNov 23 20:00
trmancohttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.winsock....Nov 23 20:00
seller_No ,this is not the sameNov 23 20:01
seller_Packages is very stupid model of installationNov 23 20:01
trmancoPetoKraus, thanksNov 23 20:01
trmancogot enough infoNov 23 20:01
PetoKrausseller_: why?Nov 23 20:01
seller_BecauseNov 23 20:02
seller_Package is a stupid name for softwareNov 23 20:02
seller_andNov 23 20:02
seller_is very minimal unit of softwareNov 23 20:02
PetoKraussorry?Nov 23 20:03
seller_It's the same of a simple DLLNov 23 20:03
seller_What a DLL means for the user?Nov 23 20:03
seller_Yes , nothinNov 23 20:03
PetoKrausi'd say, problemsNov 23 20:03
seller_Application is a real unit of significance for userNov 23 20:03
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seller_A Application is a set of packagesNov 23 20:03
PetoKrausand?Nov 23 20:04
seller_The installation of apps must be installed using set of packagesNov 23 20:04
PetoKrauswell yes, since every package provides you with an app...Nov 23 20:04
PetoKrausroughly.Nov 23 20:04
seller_noNov 23 20:05
seller_An package provides a dependence for the appNov 23 20:05
seller_It's not the appNov 23 20:05
PetoKrauswhich is most of the time just another appNov 23 20:05
seller_IBut there 's not a significance for the userNov 23 20:05
PetoKrauswell, it dependsNov 23 20:05
seller_'It's only a DLL for the app work"Nov 23 20:05
PetoKrauspython is significant for meNov 23 20:05
PetoKrausand it's pulled is as an dependency of.... craploads of packagesNov 23 20:06
seller_No,for the user is notNov 23 20:06
seller_ExampleNov 23 20:07
PetoKraushahaNov 23 20:07
PetoKrausyou wanna argue that i am not a user?Nov 23 20:07
seller_Elisa is significant for the userNov 23 20:07
seller_But Python is notNov 23 20:07
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PetoKrauswell okay, but for some users python IS significantNov 23 20:07
seller_And then Elise must packaged with PythonNov 23 20:07
PetoKrauswhy?Nov 23 20:07
EruaranCaused enough problems for an astroturfer on youtube for him to block my comments.Nov 23 20:08
EruaranWhat a loser.Nov 23 20:08
PetoKrausEruaran: heheNov 23 20:08
seller_ExampleNov 23 20:08
schestowitzseller_:  buy a PC with Linux-compatible h/w. What do you do when some h/w has no Windows drivers? Or is it just not stocked in shops? Some problem.Nov 23 20:08
seller_The user wants ElisaNov 23 20:08
schestowitzPetoKraus: seller_ is not a troll.Nov 23 20:09
PetoKrauswell i don't care about users who want elisaNov 23 20:09
*schestowitz catches up (back from the gym)Nov 23 20:09
PetoKrausi care about myself, and i need pythonNov 23 20:09
seller_But Why the hell the user needs to worry to fetch PythonNov 23 20:09
EruaranHave a look: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=M8AqXaNr8agNov 23 20:09
PetoKrauswell he doesn'tNov 23 20:09
EruaranKeruaran is meNov 23 20:09
seller_Windowz is the same mannerNov 23 20:09
PetoKrausthe package manager does the sameNov 23 20:09
PetoKraus*it for youNov 23 20:09
EruaranI can't comment on his channel now cause I'm blockedNov 23 20:09
EruaranCaused him too much embarrasmentNov 23 20:10
seller_noNov 23 20:10
seller_LookNov 23 20:10
PetoKrausi get no sound...Nov 23 20:10
PetoKrausis it normal?Nov 23 20:10
seller_Amsn uses my idea for exampleNov 23 20:10
EruaranHe'll probably delete my comments soonNov 23 20:10
seller_Amsn windowz installer is bundled with Tcl/Tk and everythingNov 23 20:11
PetoKrauswell obviously yesNov 23 20:11
PetoKrausbut linux is not windowsNov 23 20:11
seller_Because the user only wants the amsn ,and do not worry about Tcl/TkNov 23 20:11
EruaranLook at his most recent comment - he blocked me and then he posted that...Nov 23 20:11
seller_But packaging system is very stupidNov 23 20:11
seller_Because is very minimalNov 23 20:11
MinceRseller_: i'm sure it's very efficient to make bloated installers because a system doesn't have a proper package manager to handle dependenciesNov 23 20:11
seller_Is only handy for prefessionals worried about securityNov 23 20:12
MinceRseller_: and that isn't even addressing the case when a newer tcl/tk version should be installed in the first placeNov 23 20:12
MinceR(because of a security issue or another bug)Nov 23 20:12
EruaranThis guy tried to claim that Microsoft came up with desktop search and that it was Apple that copied MicrosoftNov 23 20:12
seller_Because windowsNov 23 20:12
seller_does not worry about Third-party packagesNov 23 20:12
trmancoEruaran, don't feed himNov 23 20:12
MinceRseller_: windows doesn't have a sane way to manage packagesNov 23 20:13
Eruarantrmanco: he was getting ownedNov 23 20:13
Eruarantrmanco: so he blocked meNov 23 20:13
trmancoEruaran, the majority of the trolls get ownedNov 23 20:13
seller_If Tcl/Tk is already installed , windows does not worry aboutNov 23 20:13
Eruaran:PNov 23 20:13
MinceRseller_: yet you want to download it and store it along with the actual app anywayNov 23 20:13
trmancoyes, they have childish actsNov 23 20:13
seller_The installer tries to install another version of Tcl/Tk using multislot technolgyNov 23 20:14
MinceRlol, multislot technologyNov 23 20:14
PetoKrausit's not "multislot technology"Nov 23 20:14
PetoKrausit's "let's overwrite whatever is there"Nov 23 20:14
seller_Ubuntu uses a stupid inteligent manner called meta-packagesNov 23 20:14
PetoKrausand hope we are not gonna break it... or why hope, just DIF!Nov 23 20:14
trmancoEruaran, you got lucky, I already got an unknown disease, one that I can't evaluate MS products decentlyNov 23 20:14
trmancoA troll said this to me when he was getting ownedNov 23 20:15
seller_Windows does not worry about thisNov 23 20:15
seller_Thirdy parties need to worry about thisNov 23 20:15
seller_The installer can overwrite or notNov 23 20:15
seller_But This is not problem for M$ ,only for Third-partyNov 23 20:16
PetoKrausdoh, the interface is completely unusableNov 23 20:16
PetoKrausEruaran: ^Nov 23 20:16
PetoKraushow about a PC without a MOUSE, BITCH?!Nov 23 20:16
seller_Packaging System is stupid ,because tries to fetch a dumb package paranoid listNov 23 20:17
PetoKrausrightNov 23 20:17
seller_Gentoo for example ,fetch 100 Mb! of textNov 23 20:17
EruaranIt got to the point where I was taunting him with "Whats next, MS touting mount points as an innovation ?"Nov 23 20:17
PetoKrausrightNov 23 20:18
trmancololNov 23 20:18
seller_The windowz and PC-BSD system uses a independen manner to install appsNov 23 20:18
seller_(not packages)Nov 23 20:18
seller_There's not a need of package listNov 23 20:18
seller_and Hiper paranoid trusted serversNov 23 20:18
EruaranI just think that if the guy has to block me and then beat his chest some more about how great Windows 7 is, with the same kind of hubris Microsoft demonstrated back in 2003 where they said Vista would put them "four years" ahead of any other platform... He's a MS flunky.Nov 23 20:19
seller_Did you understand?Nov 23 20:20
PetoKrausi have complete control about order of the icons in the taskbar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!lim[x->0]sinx/xNov 23 20:20
PetoKrauswhat the FUCKNov 23 20:20
PetoKrausthe ignore is brokenNov 23 20:20
EruaranlolNov 23 20:21
PetoKraushmm "all your windows7 pc's are automatically searching one another and sharing printers"Nov 23 20:22
schestowitztrmanco: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient...Nov 23 20:22
PetoKrausdoesn't sound like security hole like... AT ALL!Nov 23 20:23
trmancoschestowitz, thanksNov 23 20:23
PetoKrausdefault sharing, WTF?Nov 23 20:23
PetoKrausdid she have a license to play that music for commercial use?Nov 23 20:24
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PetoKrausdoh, networked playback, OLDNov 23 20:25
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PetoKrauspulseaudio ripoff, at leastNov 23 20:26
schestowitzbrbNov 23 20:26
PetoKrausEruaran: you made my day, you know?Nov 23 20:26
EruaranReally ?Nov 23 20:27
PetoKrausit's almost as funny as dr. Pugh or how was he calledNov 23 20:27
PetoKrausbashing BBCNov 23 20:27
EruaranheheNov 23 20:27
EruaranThat clip he put up was hilariousNov 23 20:28
EruaranAnd sadNov 23 20:28
PetoKraushe put it up himself?Nov 23 20:28
EruaranyesNov 23 20:28
EruaranWindows 7 clips from PDC is all his channel has on itNov 23 20:28
EruaranAt one point in the clip, a guy puts a couple of 'gadgets' on the desktop and says, "you can put gadgets anywhere on the desktop now"... and the audience claps...Nov 23 20:29
EruaranermNov 23 20:29
EruaranI was like... o_0Nov 23 20:29
trmancoloooolNov 23 20:29
EruaranAnd I'm thinking.... uhmm shouldnt they be laughing ?Nov 23 20:30
trmancowho was the genius who created those innovating gadgets? O.oNov 23 20:30
PetoKrausi dunno. they are mostly uselessNov 23 20:30
trmancoI sort of like gadgets to see the cpu usage and ram usageNov 23 20:31
EruaranI got the Windows 7 wallpaper they were using at PDC and changed my Plasma theme to Glassified and sent a friend a screenshotNov 23 20:31
trmancobut they are a little ram hungry, só I just use those gnome appletsNov 23 20:31
EruaranHe's like, "YOU HAVE WINDOWS 7 ???"Nov 23 20:31
trmanco:-PNov 23 20:31
trmancoyet again, who was the innovating genius who created that start menu on se7en?Nov 23 20:32
MinceRoh, i get itNov 23 20:32
MinceRseller_ calls everything he doesn't understand "stupid"Nov 23 20:33
seller_Me? Why?Nov 23 20:33
MinceRi don't knowNov 23 20:34
MinceRperhaps it's a badly thought out troll tacticNov 23 20:34
seller_Are you crazy?I'm not a trollNov 23 20:34
seller_Linux need to grow and conquer the societyNov 23 20:35
MinceRand if you had your way, linux would attempt that by imitating windowsNov 23 20:35
seller_Packaging system and lack of GUI administrative tools (like hardware manager)Nov 23 20:35
seller_is veryNov 23 20:35
seller_StupidNov 23 20:35
MinceRand you have yet to support that claimNov 23 20:35
seller_No!Nov 23 20:36
EruaranPackage management ?Nov 23 20:36
EruaranDeb or RPM ?Nov 23 20:36
EruaranOr ports ?Nov 23 20:36
seller_Windows have some good design techiniquesNov 23 20:36
seller_But it's not cloning windowsNov 23 20:36
MinceRseller_: if you want another windows, go to the reactos guys -- they're trying to do just thatNov 23 20:36
seller_but use some techiniquesNov 23 20:36
EruaranWhy ?Nov 23 20:36
MinceRno, windows is a heap of design flaws implemented badlyNov 23 20:36
seller_I'm using rectos in Virtual BoxNov 23 20:36
seller_NoNov 23 20:37
seller_Look atNov 23 20:37
seller_React Os HomePageNov 23 20:37
MinceRseller_: here's a tip: you can put more than 3 words on a rowNov 23 20:37
EruaranI'm an APT man myselfNov 23 20:37
seller_Security flaws is acceptabbleNov 23 20:37
EruaranuhmmNov 23 20:37
MinceRno, they aren'tNov 23 20:37
Eruarancertainly notNov 23 20:37
seller_but M$ invests a lot of Design of user InterfaceNov 23 20:37
MinceRand another tip: "No" on a line by itself isn't going to convince anyoneNov 23 20:37
MinceRthey're doing it wrongNov 23 20:38
MinceRcrApple is doing the same, by the wayNov 23 20:38
EruaranWhat good is a pretty interface if you're getting viruses and spyware on a regular basis ?Nov 23 20:38
MinceRif only it was prettyNov 23 20:38
seller_Security flawsNov 23 20:38
EruaranhehNov 23 20:38
seller_Not Design FlawsNov 23 20:38
twitterHere's a billboard I saw the other day, http://bayimg.com/MajnmAablNov 23 20:39
twitterNot that I'd do what that man says.Nov 23 20:39
MinceRok, is there anyone around who isn't tired of seller_'s trolling?Nov 23 20:39
MinceRtwitter: lolNov 23 20:39
seller_I'm not a trollNov 23 20:39
MinceRtwitter: did he really say that? when?Nov 23 20:39
EruaranlolNov 23 20:39
EruarangtgNov 23 20:39
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twitterno, he did not say that.  He did let Sweaty B and friends make Vista though.Nov 23 20:40
MinceRthere's a point :>Nov 23 20:40
seller_I like GNU LinuxNov 23 20:40
seller_http://www.reactos.org/en/about.htmlNov 23 20:40
seller_Packages are stupid ,lack of GUI and fron-backend are stupidNov 23 20:41
seller_Only thisNov 23 20:41
seller_But Freedom is very good and optimization tooNov 23 20:41
seller_Follow my tips and Linux will growNov 23 20:42
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schestowitzseller_: what's the matter with you today?Nov 23 20:47
schestowitzWill the real seller/liar stand up?Nov 23 20:47
seller_Sorry Roy ,but I like to see Linux GrowingNov 23 20:47
seller_And I have used a lot of distrosNov 23 20:48
schestowitzWhere is the old seller and what did you do to him?Nov 23 20:48
schestowitzYou know Oh!-solaris and bsd too, but...Nov 23 20:48
seller_There key problems in LinuxNov 23 20:48
schestowitzI disagree with many of the things you wrote (I just caught up)Nov 23 20:48
schestowitzMany are not supported by good evidence.Nov 23 20:48
seller_But I Like Linux and freedoomNov 23 20:48
schestowitzReminds me of Beranger/LunixH4t3rNov 23 20:49
seller_Yes I know , but have some senseNov 23 20:49
schestowitzYou harm Linux and freedom if you say they should be like Windows.Nov 23 20:49
MinceRschestowitz: apparently he thinks linux can grow by copying the design flaws of windowsNov 23 20:49
seller_No!Nov 23 20:49
schestowitzEVEN MICROSOFT gives up on Windows.Nov 23 20:49
schestowitzEven Microsoft...Nov 23 20:49
MinceReven though we already have a project that does thatNov 23 20:49
schestowitzDon't believe me?Nov 23 20:49
seller_It's my mistakeNov 23 20:49
MinceRit's called reactosNov 23 20:49
schestowitzI'lll give refsNov 23 20:49
seller_I will not say to copy windowsNov 23 20:50
MinceRyou already haveNov 23 20:50
seller_I Was trying to say is the windows have some good ideas ,Nov 23 20:50
seller_But Never Linux to be a copy of windowsNov 23 20:50
MinceRit might, but the ideas you've listed so far were design flawsNov 23 20:50
seller_Lack of Hardware Manager is a design flawNov 23 20:51
MinceRuntil proven otherwise, i will think and say that windows has no good ideas that most OS-es don't already haveNov 23 20:51
MinceRseller_: what is this "Hardware Manager" supposed to do?Nov 23 20:51
seller_Install device driversNov 23 20:52
seller_Using a user friendly Graphical user InterfaceNov 23 20:52
MinceRinstalling drivers are handled by the package manager alreadyNov 23 20:52
MinceRand most of them come with the kernelNov 23 20:52
seller_This is the problemNov 23 20:52
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seller_Linux kernel is not perfectNov 23 20:53
MinceR(all of them should, but some hardware vendors are too stupid to let this happen)Nov 23 20:53
seller_sometimes it failsNov 23 20:53
MinceRseller_: so the problem is that you don't understand package managers and are unwilling to learn about themNov 23 20:53
trmancobrbNov 23 20:53
seller_And the user must see install software using a good interface and in a indepdenteNov 23 20:53
seller_mannerNov 23 20:53
MinceRbeen there, done thatNov 23 20:54
MinceRseller_: have you even used a gnu/linux system?Nov 23 20:54
seller_Yes, why?Nov 23 20:54
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MinceRyou speak as though you haven'tNov 23 20:54
seller_Package management is not a good way to install driversNov 23 20:55
MinceRarguments, pleaseNov 23 20:55
MinceRfacts, pleaseNov 23 20:55
twittermy computer loves me with all it's heart and soul.Nov 23 20:55
twitterLaughing at Windows 7Nov 23 20:55
MinceRmy computer has no heart nor soulNov 23 20:55
seller_Drivers muyst be installed through a independent mannerNov 23 20:56
twitterReally inadequate window management.  Better but still single screen suckageNov 23 20:56
schestowitzseller_: YaST is a h/w managerNov 23 20:56
schestowitzMandriva has one tooNov 23 20:56
seller_Using CDs for exampleNov 23 20:56
MinceRseller_: why?Nov 23 20:56
seller_Package is a very dark manner to install packagesNov 23 20:56
MinceRseller_: also, most package managers can already install from cdsNov 23 20:56
MinceRdark, lolNov 23 20:56
MinceRseller_: so, are you going to keep repeating this now?Nov 23 20:57
seller_NoNov 23 20:57
seller_What I'm Try to say isNov 23 20:57
MinceRi've seen that line beforeNov 23 20:57
seller_necessary to create good wizards and Guis for administrative tasksNov 23 20:57
seller_And nothing based in Frontend technologiesNov 23 20:58
MinceRyou're getting less coherentNov 23 20:58
MinceRoh, wellNov 23 20:58
*MinceR gives up on this trollNov 23 20:58
seller_Hardware Manager, A Wizard for install networks in a simple mannerNov 23 20:59
twitterAmazing admission at PDC, "no one, except a few people inside this room" has ever been able to make home networking work.  It's true but, OMG.Nov 23 20:59
twitterOh noes, "I can look at her music"  with Windows 7.Nov 23 21:00
twitterWindows remembers where the content is on your network so you don't have to .... oh my.Nov 23 21:00
MinceRlolNov 23 21:01
twitter"Send your media all over your house"Nov 23 21:01
seller_The userland of Linux is very goodNov 23 21:01
seller_But install drivers and other administrative tasks is very hardNov 23 21:02
twitterThat's only because device makers have been so uncooperative.  Free software drivers install themselves once they are written.Nov 23 21:03
seller_Userland  = 10!Nov 23 21:03
seller_Administration = 2Nov 23 21:03
twittereh?Nov 23 21:03
trmancobackNov 23 21:03
MinceRhe isn't making any sense, is he?Nov 23 21:03
schestowitz socialism, DOW below $3K, and other interesting predictions < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/11/22/54627 >Nov 23 21:03
schestowitz" The prediction is made by a hedge fund manager who is up 40% over the past year. How? He saw stuff coming and went long no bonds. ("I look like a genius at the moment!") He also predicts an 80% decline in stocks. He predicts a 4-5% GDP drop next year. "Nov 23 21:04
seller_Userland insterface (KDE ,Gnome ) is perfectNov 23 21:04
seller_Administration (configure networking,install drivers ,) , hardNov 23 21:05
twitterI am perfect.Nov 23 21:05
schestowitzNo, seller_ , it's greatNov 23 21:05
schestowitzKDE makes it very simple.Nov 23 21:05
schestowitzseller_: did yoy use LFS or Arch?Nov 23 21:05
MinceRi don't think he has used eitherNov 23 21:06
seller_I used ,gentooNov 23 21:06
seller_My networking is very annoyingNov 23 21:06
schestowitzme@charlie rose < http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/me... >Nov 23 21:06
seller_Always I have to activate using DhcpcdNov 23 21:06
trmancoseller_, o que é que te aconteceu? Para estares assim hoje?Nov 23 21:06
seller_Attansic L2Nov 23 21:07
seller_trmanco: nada ,são só observações inofensivas depois de algum tempo usando luinuxNov 23 21:07
seller_trmanco: não foi nada ofensivoNov 23 21:07
MinceRoh, you've started with gentoo despite being warned that it isn't for beginners and now you're butthurt at gnu/linux because of your own stupidity?Nov 23 21:07
twitterKDE and Gnome's little root password dialog is a good mechanism.Nov 23 21:07
seller_No!Nov 23 21:07
seller_MinceR: I have started using UbuntuNov 23 21:08
twitterCongratulations.Nov 23 21:08
twitterhave you had a problem we can help you with?Nov 23 21:08
MinceRwell, does networking work in ubuntu? yes it does.Nov 23 21:08
MinceRdoes hardware configuration work in ubuntu? yes it does.Nov 23 21:08
seller_If failsNov 23 21:08
MinceRdoes installing drivers work in ubuntu? yes it doesNov 23 21:08
seller_What the user do?Nov 23 21:08
MinceRWhat me worry?Nov 23 21:09
twitterWhat fails?Nov 23 21:09
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trmancoX fails sometimesNov 23 21:09
twitterseller_ failed.Nov 23 21:09
trmancobut it is easy to get it backNov 23 21:09
MinceRseller_'s trolling fails.Nov 23 21:09
twitterit should restart itself.Nov 23 21:09
twitterX that is.Nov 23 21:10
MinceRno, seller_ shouldn't restart itself.Nov 23 21:10
MinceR:>Nov 23 21:10
trmancoI don't know what really happened wit him today, acting weirdNov 23 21:10
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twitterwhat failed, seller?Nov 23 21:10
MinceRoh no, it restartedNov 23 21:10
seller_i have closed MibbitNov 23 21:10
MinceRit was a good idea. do so again.Nov 23 21:11
seller_Ok, guys , I will not tell anymoreNov 23 21:11
seller_I need to goNov 23 21:11
trmancotwitter, I'm talking about mis-configured xorg.conf files, you know,when you install a know card or somethingNov 23 21:11
seller_If the hardware detection fails ,what the use must do?Nov 23 21:12
trmancoI've been on a situation like that I I got back X with 3 commandsNov 23 21:12
seller_like networkingNov 23 21:12
trmancoand*Nov 23 21:12
twitterEh, just reinstall X.Nov 23 21:12
seller_The user tries to install using ./configure make make install?Nov 23 21:12
schestowitzBullerproofXNov 23 21:13
schestowitz*letNov 23 21:13
trmancoI don't remember networking failing since I started using Linux (Ethernet)Nov 23 21:13
seller_My attansic Fails a lot OF timesNov 23 21:13
trmancoschestowitz, Fedora 9 doesn't have that I thinkNov 23 21:13
trmancotwitter, it is faster if you can reconfigure X :PNov 23 21:14
_dougot: McDonald's patent the sandwich ..Nov 23 21:14
_doughttp://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/...Nov 23 21:14
twitterSure.  It's also faster if the guy down the street can do it for you, like happens with Winblows and is increasingly happening with GNU/Linux.Nov 23 21:14
twitterUltimately, computer service is all about community.Nov 23 21:15
seller_http://ubuntuforums.org/sh...Nov 23 21:15
twitterM$ abuses the community, so it is leaving.Nov 23 21:15
twitterSwap out a video card in XP and newer and you will find yourself begging bill G to reauthorize your OS.Nov 23 21:16
schestowitzOpenSolaris 2008.11 RC2 Released < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n... >Nov 23 21:16
trmancoThat won't happen on my systemNov 23 21:16
schestowitztrmanco: it'll probably reach FedoraNov 23 21:16
schestowitzBut they work on a new X server (fork, IIRC)Nov 23 21:16
twitterThe Vista capable disaster shows that you can't believe the label on the box for video anymore anyway.Nov 23 21:16
trmancoschestowitz, which?Nov 23 21:16
_dougwww.wipo.int .. is there an int top level domain ?Nov 23 21:16
trmancoint :|Nov 23 21:17
twitterWhat's the user to do when Winblows fails?  Wait six years for a lawsuit to get him a coupon for another copy of Winblows or buy a new computer?Nov 23 21:17
trmancoyesNov 23 21:17
schestowitz_doug: watch how yu make your sandwichNov 23 21:17
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trmanco_doug, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.intNov 23 21:17
twitterX.org's simple text file configuration rules next to that mess.Nov 23 21:17
schestowitzMcDonald's could crack down on local shops.. with baseball bats and all...Nov 23 21:17
schestowitztrmanco: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag... ( More Work On Red Hat's Wayland Project )Nov 23 21:18
schestowitzhttp://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/New-Wayland-X-serve... ( New Wayland X server looks to how a modern desktop works )Nov 23 21:18
trmancotwitter, in Windows land, when it fails, just format C: and reinstall Windows... and all the programs you need for daily usageNov 23 21:18
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&am... (Wayland: A New X Server For Linux )Nov 23 21:19
schestowitzFedora moves the X server < http://lwn.net/Articles/305047/ >Nov 23 21:19
trmancoWayland hmmNov 23 21:19
twitterand the SPs and "up to date" drivers and AV and you lost all your settings and files and days worth to work and .... your computer is part of the botnet before it's done.Nov 23 21:19
schestowitzlucien is spreading FUDNov 23 21:19
twitterah.Nov 23 21:20
schestowitzMaybe he's having a hard day or maybe he's on some payroll or something.Nov 23 21:20
schestowitzlucian=seller-_liarNov 23 21:20
twitterFedora.  Looks.Nov 23 21:20
schestowitzIt's really him.. I see the IPNov 23 21:20
schestowitz*LucienNov 23 21:20
twitterthe seller_ that's here now or the one who's been here before?Nov 23 21:21
_dougSimplyMEPIS: The best desktop Linux you haven't tried ..Nov 23 21:21
_doughttp://www.linux.com/feature/153431Nov 23 21:21
twitterYeah, Roy linked to that.Nov 23 21:21
trmancoschestowitz, yeah, checked if he speaks portuguese tooNov 23 21:21
twitterNice article.Nov 23 21:21
schestowitzBrazilianNov 23 21:22
schestowitzBut he used to be OKNov 23 21:22
schestowitzYesterday (or Friday) he spread FUD too.Nov 23 21:22
schestowitzLike some of of BarkToPointOhNov 23 21:22
schestowitz*kind ofNov 23 21:22
_dougRed Hat Fedora Claims It's the Leader in Linux ..Nov 23 21:23
_doughttp://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3...Nov 23 21:23
_dougPentagon hit by virus ..Nov 23 21:25
_doughttp://www.internetnews.com/government/article.php/378...Nov 23 21:25
_doug"It sounds like the DoD doesn't have a policy in place, and I find this surprising," Kandek told InternetNews.com. "It's long been well known that removable media can bear viruses that will infect your system."Nov 23 21:25
_dougI use gentoo :]Nov 23 21:27
neighborleeI might have tried gentoo ages ago, but having to compile everything never enticed me on any level, but I do admire its goals.Nov 23 21:30
_dougI wasn't serious ..Nov 23 21:33
_dougThe only reason to compile from scratch is to get a blandingly-fast highly tuned to the hardware distro ..Nov 23 21:34
schestowitzMicrosoft employed the founder of Gentoo.Nov 23 21:34
_dougblindingly ..Nov 23 21:34
schestowitzThere's a danger now.Nov 23 21:34
schestowitzAlso because of Oracle.Nov 23 21:34
_dougIn this day of 3.6 GHz processors and 4GB ram, that's not such a problem anymore ..Nov 23 21:35
schestowitzWith the current crisis (coming depression), large companies will sweep up lots of the good companies of pennies. We ought to protect from further cetralisation of power... which is opposite to the goals of Free softtwareNov 23 21:35
_dougot: burning question of the day ..Nov 23 21:35
_doug"How do avatars have sex?"Nov 23 21:36
_doughttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/m...Nov 23 21:36
_dougnot very satisfactorly, I would imagine .. ;]Nov 23 21:36
_doug"Robbins resigned less than a year later on 16 January 2006 due to frustrations that he was unable to fully utilize his technical skills in this position. His new job is at ABC Coding Solutions where he will be focused on building in .NET on Windows"Nov 23 21:37
_doughttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_...Nov 23 21:37
trmancohttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.li...Nov 23 21:39
trmancobrbNov 23 21:39
_douggtg ..Nov 23 21:40
*_doug has quit ()Nov 23 21:40
schestowitzHow predictableNov 23 21:44
schestowitzSymantec warned about the new stack.Nov 23 21:44
schestowitzThey pulled out BSD code, put their out gooNov 23 21:44
neighborleeim finding more that think mono is free and offering url's to show the view that they are not. ( LIke the rms statement.groklaw etc.)Nov 23 21:54
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schestowitzThat's valuable, thank youNov 23 21:55
EruaranhelloNov 23 21:55
schestowitzHey, KDE guruNov 23 21:55
EruaranlolNov 23 21:55
neighborleenp ;0-Nov 23 21:55
EruaranNo use looking at that exchange between me and drphysx on youtube nowNov 23 21:55
neighborleehi there EruaranNov 23 21:55
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Eruaranhe's deleted my commentsNov 23 21:55
schestowitzLike ms viral vidsNov 23 21:56
schestowitzhold onNov 23 21:56
EruaranI knew he wouldNov 23 21:56
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/03/micr...Nov 23 21:57
schestowitzWatch:Nov 23 21:57
schestowitzhttp://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/30/microsoft-usin...Nov 23 21:57
schestowitzThis coul be MS marketingNov 23 21:58
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EruaranHe was completely owned and exposed it was very embarrassing for him.Nov 23 21:59
EruaranSo... *delete delete*Nov 23 21:59
EruaranThe funny part was that he would say something that was completely misinformed in triumphant fashion and tell me I didn't know what I was talking aboutNov 23 22:01
EruaranI would counter with the truth and tell him to try againNov 23 22:02
EruaranIt made him look badNov 23 22:02
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EruaranI better get back to work...Nov 23 22:03
Eruaran:PNov 23 22:03
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trmancoHis work is on a Windows machineNov 23 22:04
*neighborlee has quit ("Leaving")Nov 23 22:06
PetoKrausdid you know that MSN won't forward your mails anywhere?Nov 23 22:07
PetoKrausYou're only able to forward mail to a custom domain or an e-mail address that ends in hotmail.com, msn.com, or live.com. Please try again.Nov 23 22:07
trmancoho really?Nov 23 22:08
trmanconever used that service to that pointNov 23 22:08
trmancooh*Nov 23 22:08
PetoKrausme neitherNov 23 22:09
trmancostupid limitationsNov 23 22:09
trmancoI wonder how MS is going to BS this factNov 23 22:10
trmancois it that their servers can't handle the load?Nov 23 22:10
trmancomaybeNov 23 22:10
trmancohave to go, cya tomorrowNov 23 22:13
schestowitzMicrosoft lockin bolted onNov 23 22:16
schestowitzWhat else would you expect from a company that built itself using proprietary formats, sabotage of standards and very stubborn lock-inNov 23 22:16
schestowitzHeh. http://blog.s11n.net/?p=66Nov 23 23:15
MinceRlolNov 23 23:18
twitter"trmanco: His work is on a Windows machine"  - that's sad, if true.Nov 23 23:22
schestowitzSounds more like an oxymoron, if true.Nov 23 23:23
*kapipi has quit (Remote closed the connection)Nov 23 23:23
twitterWasted effort is often considered work.Nov 23 23:24
twitterMonopoly jobs are like that.Nov 23 23:26
PetoKrausthe guys at wine are nutsNov 23 23:26
PetoKraus:/Nov 23 23:26
twitterMust be, but I like what they managed to do.Nov 23 23:26
twitterDirty job.Nov 23 23:27
PetoKrauswell... yesNov 23 23:27
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EruaranhiNov 23 23:27
PetoKrausyou AGAIN?Nov 23 23:27
Eruaranyes :PNov 23 23:27
PetoKrausyou better have another funny movie with you....Nov 23 23:27
EruaranlolNov 23 23:27
EruaranI got a lotta funny moviesNov 23 23:28
twitterYou do quick work too.Nov 23 23:28
EruaranIm still at workNov 23 23:28
EruaranI just thought I'd lurkNov 23 23:28
*Eruaran lurksNov 23 23:29
twittercoolNov 23 23:30
schestowitzAlexH loses itNov 23 23:31
schestowitzHe's cursing now.Nov 23 23:32
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/22/prot...Nov 23 23:32
EruaranDidn't you get an email from someone at Microsoft about licensing ?Nov 23 23:33
schestowitzEruaran: yes, that's the one.Nov 23 23:37
EruaranThe not-so-open "open source"Nov 23 23:39
schestowitzcyberborg [sic] shoots from the hip: "This is not a defense of Novell, may their top management go to hell if any of the FUD generated by likes of boycottnovell has any bit of truth, I as a member of openSUSE community is proud to be working with some really nice people and happy to enjoy all the goodness they are sharing."Nov 23 23:40
schestowitzhttp://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/... <---- Opensuse personNov 23 23:40
twitterAlexH never had it.Nov 23 23:45
twitterheckle, nothing more.Nov 23 23:45
twitterHere's something funny.  The Vista show, http://www.youtube.com/profile?use... has been around and nobody's watching.Nov 23 23:46
twitterAfter 11 months, their biggest hit is Sharing Slideshows with less than half a million viewers.Nov 23 23:46
twitterMost have less than 10,000Nov 23 23:46
twittercompare to "Where the hell is Matt" with more than 12,000,000 views.  http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=w...Nov 23 23:47
twitterHis outtakes had more than 3,000,000 views in a year.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT8jA_pps3oNov 23 23:48
PetoKrausthis day needs more pink floyd.Nov 23 23:48
twitterUbuntu videos from random people do better than 200,000 in a year.  http://www.youtube.com/results?search...Nov 23 23:50
schestowitzDeploy on Linux or stay with XP - Hasta la Vista < http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/... >Nov 23 23:50
schestowitzThe sound of empire falling < http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=647 >Nov 23 23:51
twitterSome do better than 4,000,000Nov 23 23:51
schestowitzAlso new (but les snew): Deja Vista? < http://www.microsplot.com/blo... >Nov 23 23:51
twittermore pink floyd http://www.youtube.com/results?...Nov 23 23:52
PetoKrausdid he actually go to all those places?Nov 23 23:54
Eruaranbloody hell... I'm trying to do a profit report atm and for some reason if I switch between calc and excel it doesn't display basic formula results properly in excel anymoreNov 23 23:55
schestowitzHeh. I likes that Matt footage.Nov 23 23:55
EruaranIts basic as in =SUM(C5:C28)Nov 23 23:55
schestowitzThanks for pointing that out.Nov 23 23:55
Eruaranwont display in excel... what is with thatNov 23 23:56
Eruaranopen it up in calc... its fineNov 23 23:56
PetoKrausINTERO~1Nov 23 23:56
PetoKrausgimme dat paracetamol, eugene!Nov 23 23:58

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