| Eruaran | As they should be | Dec 07 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | I know of only one blog that sometimes links to them. 451 Group... after they had visited Redmond for all I can tell. | Dec 07 00:00 |
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| Eruaran | haha | Dec 07 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft tends to demand "fair coverage" | Dec 07 00:03 |
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| Eruaran | I posted on youtube that Fedora 10's animated boot (Plymouth) is nicer than the clips of Vista7's animated boot... and that you don't have to wait, Fedora 10 is out... | Dec 07 00:03 |
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| Eruaran | I got thumb raped | Dec 07 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | "No discrimination" (*cough* and Linux is a cancer) | Dec 07 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Eww...thumb raped | Dec 07 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Better a thumb than a fist. Ewww. | Dec 07 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Windows 7 wannabes watch these videos | Dec 07 00:05 |
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| Eruaran | I like fedora's "Solar" boot theme | Dec 07 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | You can't disturb their vapourware-dreamin' | Dec 07 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 flew too close to the sun... | Dec 07 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | With wings of salami... | Dec 07 00:06 |
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| Eruaran | Its sad that these morons just thumb rape you for mentioning it | Dec 07 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | It got KOOKED | Dec 07 00:06 |
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| Eruaran | they probably didn't bother to have a look | Dec 07 00:06 |
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| Eruaran | funny day at work yesterday | Dec 07 00:07 |
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| Eruaran | Some Brits came in | Dec 07 00:07 |
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| Eruaran | Wanting advice on service providers and other stuff | Dec 07 00:08 |
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| Eruaran | They're like, "youre a telstra agent" | Dec 07 00:08 |
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| Eruaran | "yes, but we don't recommend telstra" | Dec 07 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | Not Vista, either. | Dec 07 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Unless Microsoft pay$ | Dec 07 00:09 |
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| Eruaran | "were thinking of buying a new pc" | Dec 07 00:09 |
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| Eruaran | hah | Dec 07 00:09 |
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| Eruaran | I didn't recommend Vista either | Dec 07 00:09 |
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| Eruaran | they're like, "but the posters" | Dec 07 00:09 |
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| Eruaran | "all lies" | Dec 07 00:09 |
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| Eruaran | they're like, "why do you have them then" | Dec 07 00:10 |
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| Eruaran | "we get money" | Dec 07 00:10 |
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| Eruaran | And besides | Dec 07 00:10 |
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| Eruaran | I pointed to one vista poster where it said, "Simple, Secure, Stunning" | Dec 07 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | SS | Dec 07 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | Eh? | Dec 07 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | Tell them about WW2 | Dec 07 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | About Goebbels | Dec 07 00:11 |
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| MinceR | the stunning part is that they dare call it simple and secure | Dec 07 00:11 |
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| Eruaran | And said, "Its simply crap, you can be Secure in the knowledge that you don't need it, and its Stunning how full of crap this poster is" | Dec 07 00:12 |
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| Eruaran | Its hilarious | Dec 07 00:13 |
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| Eruaran | People love it... we gain customers being so candid with people | Dec 07 00:13 |
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| MinceR | lol | Dec 07 00:13 |
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| Eruaran | We had a customer the other day who told us that is the reason why he comes to us | Dec 07 00:14 |
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| Eruaran | We tell him the truth | Dec 07 00:14 |
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| Eruaran | If we at any stage had stopped giving people our honest opinions and advice, we'd have egg on our faces today and would have lost our credibility. | Dec 07 00:15 |
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| Eruaran | Our customers are not the kind of people who just look for the cheapest price, or latest trendy thing. They want sound advice, reliability and piece of mind. | Dec 07 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | I used to give honest opinions too | Dec 07 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | I worked at a computer store when I was 18 | Dec 07 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't fool the people and I have them the cheaper peripheral. That makes a /BAD/ salesman (not morally bad). | Dec 07 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | *gave | Dec 07 00:20 |
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| Eruaran | I'm lucky to be working in an environment where being a "trusted advisor" is a very important part of my job. | Dec 07 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Even back then I had some people asking for h/w that works with Linux. | Dec 07 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Trusted by /whom/? Microsoft? the client? | Dec 07 00:21 |
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| Eruaran | The client. | Dec 07 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft plans to 'pull an Apple' and have rep^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hin stores to promote Fista. | Dec 07 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | They could replace a workforce of honest people with a puppet regime | Dec 07 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | Working based on the 'headbook' from the Vole. | Dec 07 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | *handbook | Dec 07 00:22 |
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| Eruaran | That sort of thing wont affect us | Dec 07 00:22 |
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| Eruaran | Stores like that don't employ people who actually know what they're talking about | Dec 07 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | Puppet shops | Dec 07 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | Like Dell and H-P | Dec 07 00:26 |
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| Eruaran | Even with Vista, people know they can bring a crippled, virus/spyware infested system to us and we can clean it up and return it to the customer running better than it ever has. Depending on how busy we are, they get it back same day or the next day. We know most places will just backup data and re-install. | Dec 07 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | Will Dell stil go high street? | Dec 07 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | It talked about it last year, but has collapsed a bit since. | Dec 07 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: see? Vista makes 'jobs'. Not important jobs, but it keeps people coccupied and swapping AUDs | Dec 07 00:27 |
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| Eruaran | With on-site service, we actually give people solutions that work and help businesses/organizations etc. Rather than just band-aid their current crappy setup. | Dec 07 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | Dman that Lunux thing... people take it home and it just works and does what people need. It doesn't break, so people don't have unnecessary jobs created | Dec 07 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/01/broken-wi... | Dec 07 00:28 |
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| Eruaran | We actually had a falling out with a national franchise because we told them their system was broken. | Dec 07 00:28 |
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| Eruaran | They wanted us to get things working the way they wanted it... but the way they wanted things set up was inherently broken... We fixed it, but then they complained so we put things back the way they were before and told them the system is broken and you cant fix it unless youre willing to do things differently | Dec 07 00:30 |
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| Eruaran | They had local networks that didn't work properly and head office wanting to have a VPN to stores using dialup or some crap like that... it screwed the stores systems up.. | Dec 07 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Why are these things so complicated? | Dec 07 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | I never get it. | Dec 07 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Like.. | Dec 07 00:33 |
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| Eruaran | They made it complicated | Dec 07 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | I hear about large deployments costing loads of money.. | Dec 07 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | .And I think most of the 'work' is spent by pointy-hairy people on the roundtable. | Dec 07 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | Some are adverse to progress because it's "change" | Dec 07 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | Just look how many companies use an operating platform from 2001. | Dec 07 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | We're almost in 2009, for crying out loud! | Dec 07 00:35 |
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| kevin832 | haha | Dec 07 00:35 |
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| Eruaran | The local stores (there are at least 3 in our city) were very happy with what we did... but their national HQ chucked a frothy fit over it... stores were happy cause things were working great, HQ wasn't happy cause they couldn't have their stupid dialup VPN access... | Dec 07 00:35 |
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| kevin832 | reminds me of when people didn't want ms to stop shipping updates for win98 | Dec 07 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Had the same standards applied to gadgets people around (80%+ of them) would be using Sony walkmans to listen to music | Dec 07 00:37 |
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| Eruaran | I know of businesses that are still using DOS based POS software | Dec 07 00:42 |
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| Eruaran | DOS!!!! | Dec 07 00:42 |
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| kevin832 | they could always switch to freedos :) | Dec 07 00:43 |
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| Eruaran | I take one look at that and mutter, "bloody hell..." | Dec 07 00:43 |
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| kevin832 | even a single-user system just seems so outdated to me | Dec 07 00:44 |
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| Eruaran | no, they run this stuff on Windows 2000 | Dec 07 00:44 |
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| Eruaran | They only upgraded from NT like a year ago... | Dec 07 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 07 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Winretro | Dec 07 00:45 |
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| Eruaran | :P | Dec 07 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | They should upgrade to Fista | Dec 07 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Ruin compat' | Dec 07 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | New prricy PC for DOS... | Dec 07 00:45 |
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| Eruaran | Sometimes I look at business setups and all I want to do is should, "ASSHATS!! ALL OF YOU GET OUT!!!" | Dec 07 00:46 |
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| Eruaran | *shout | Dec 07 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | I went to buy Fista and all I got was this lousy CLI prompt. | Dec 07 00:46 |
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| Eruaran | one place | Dec 07 00:46 |
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| Eruaran | they had this admin | Dec 07 00:46 |
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| Eruaran | I suggested they switch to linux as they could still run the old DOS stuff, they wouldn't have to upgrade hardware and none of their systems would be brought down if the app crashes (which it did fairly regularly)... | Dec 07 00:47 |
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| Eruaran | She just looked at me as if I was a JW at her door | Dec 07 00:48 |
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| kevin832 | at my college, people would play pranks that stumped the IT staff | Dec 07 00:48 |
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| kevin832 | for example, someone used the graphics options to rotate the display upside down :) | Dec 07 00:48 |
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| Eruaran | hha | Dec 07 00:48 |
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| Eruaran | we used to change the college menu system | Dec 07 00:49 |
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| Eruaran | It would get changed from "South East Institute of TAFE" (this is a long time ago) to "TAFE's Quick & Dirty Menu System" or "TEH NOOBIE MENU" | Dec 07 00:50 |
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| kevin832 | i knew a guy who (if he found a PC left logged in) would open tuns of windows, take a screenshot and make it the desktop background | Dec 07 00:50 |
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| kevin832 | lol | Dec 07 00:50 |
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| Eruaran | heh | Dec 07 00:50 |
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| Eruaran | we had a guy a while back who came in saying there was something wrong with his PC | Dec 07 00:51 |
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| MinceR | i've made this background once: http://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/... | Dec 07 00:51 |
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| Eruaran | It turned out that his friends had played a prank on him | Dec 07 00:51 |
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| Eruaran | Cause it wasn't frozen, it was a screenshot... hehe | Dec 07 00:52 |
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| MinceR | (and randomly moved those same icons on it) | Dec 07 00:52 |
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| kevin832 | i miss that screensaver that used to be in ubuntu called "bsod" that would show panic messages from all different platforms | Dec 07 00:52 |
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| kevin832 | lol at the above screenshot... i hate it when i sit down at someone's PC and their desktop is a mess | Dec 07 00:53 |
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| MinceR | i think it's still in xscreensaver | Dec 07 00:53 |
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| MinceR | on my own machines, i disable desktop icons | Dec 07 00:54 |
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| MinceR | i don't think icons belong there | Dec 07 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: *LOL* nice shot | Dec 07 00:55 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I try that too | Dec 07 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | In KDE 3.5 I use it for thumbnails of workspace though | Dec 07 00:56 |
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| PetoKraus | what we did was | Dec 07 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | simply | Dec 07 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | exchange the keyboards, mice, and displays | Dec 07 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | PDFs are displayed as text, text files you can hover over for previews and my images I can see not just as names. | Dec 07 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | so you put usb drive in the machine in front of you | Dec 07 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | I occionally put them all in the rubbish. | Dec 07 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | and tada, the guy next to you had popup! | Dec 07 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | it was even more fun when you pressed the power button | Dec 07 00:57 |
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| Eruaran | bbl | Dec 07 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | "saving your work... system is shutting down" | Dec 07 00:57 |
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| *Eruaran has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Dec 07 00:58 |
| PetoKraus | or playing music... which started playing from other half of the CS lab | Dec 07 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: ejecting the CDs... drive in and out. | Dec 07 00:58 |
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| kevin832 | on a podcast the other day, i heard about someone writing a script to make the CD-ROM drive open and close when he new someone would be working in the area :) | Dec 07 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | That was funny. SSHing in shared clusters to mess about with the PC someone uses | Dec 07 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | Beeping and opening the CD tray | Dec 07 00:59 |
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| PetoKraus | yup | Dec 07 01:00 |
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| PetoKraus | -4€°C | Dec 07 01:00 |
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| PetoKraus | it's starting to get quite nice over here | Dec 07 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | This is serious: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/155074/... | Dec 07 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | "Criminals are taking advantage of a bug in the Asterisk Internet telephony system that lets them pump out thousands of scam phone calls in an hour, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation warned Friday. The FBI didn't say which versions of Asterisk were vulnerable to the bug, but it advised users to upgrade to the latest version of the software." | Dec 07 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, DOUGman. | Dec 07 01:08 |
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| PetoKraus | see | Dec 07 01:10 |
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| PetoKraus | the problem is, people look on you like on an idiot | Dec 07 01:10 |
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| PetoKraus | if you wanna update your system | Dec 07 01:10 |
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| PetoKraus | every day at work i meet with puzzled faces | Dec 07 01:10 |
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| MinceR | gn | Dec 07 01:10 |
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| PetoKraus | when i insist on installing SP3 on machines we are fixing | Dec 07 01:10 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, when they release something, they usually release it for a REASON | Dec 07 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | 98% of Windows PCs are open to total hijack, says Secunia | Dec 07 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | Only 1 in 50 Windows boxes that you see it TEMPORARILY secure... not from 0-days though. | Dec 07 01:11 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Dec 07 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | I updated my blogs last weekend. | Dec 07 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | It's a pain because they patch very often. | Dec 07 01:11 |
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| PetoKraus | hehe | Dec 07 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | BN runs on an LTS, so I rarely need to patch it. | Dec 07 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | 2.0.11 | Dec 07 01:12 |
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| PetoKraus | that's the good thing with custom developed software | Dec 07 01:12 |
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| kevin832 | i'm surprised the FBI doesn't go after sites that distribute "virusresponse lab 2009" and other fraud software | Dec 07 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | All thanks to Debian BTW | Dec 07 01:12 |
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| PetoKraus | kevin832: M-S antivirus? | Dec 07 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Had it not been for Debian requirement, WP would not have had an LTS | Dec 07 01:12 |
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| kevin832 | there's a program called "virusresponse lab" that says "you're infected! now give us money!" :) | Dec 07 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I saw it earlier | Dec 07 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on | Dec 07 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Yesterday: Most recent Windows infections result from the same simple trick < http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Most-recent-Windo... > | Dec 07 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | 'BitDefender's Top 10 E-Threats Report identifies just one type of attack as being responsible for more than a third of Windows infections in the past month: fake anti-virus scans, also known as scareware. " | Dec 07 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | There was an incident in early 2007... | Dec 07 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Shane and I thought that Novell/fans had cracked us | Dec 07 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Shane mistakenly posted the password to the FRONT PAGE | Dec 07 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Then the server went bad... Shane fixed it somehow but I never knew what happened or what he did | Dec 07 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | He was nervous.. I have the E-mails with the details saved... anyway, been fine since then. | Dec 07 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | I think I should change my mug in NB. | Dec 07 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | BN | Dec 07 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | I look amateurish, no? | Dec 07 01:15 |
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| PetoKraus | nb? | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| PetoKraus | aha | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | BN | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| PetoKraus | your picture? | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm yeah | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| PetoKraus | get something decent | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| PetoKraus | i was trying to take some pictures lately | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure about something with suit.... like some peacock. | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| PetoKraus | but i am realising i am really crap at taking pictures | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | What should I put there? | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Shane at least has a suit on in his photo | Dec 07 01:16 |
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| PetoKraus | just collared shirt should be enough | Dec 07 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | And me... I just have this old picture from my trip to Canada where I met an old g/f (she's married now) | Dec 07 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | Let me see what I gawt... | Dec 07 01:17 |
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| PetoKraus | happens | Dec 07 01:18 |
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| PetoKraus | it's quite funny when you read trough all those fake "married" statuses on facebook | Dec 07 01:18 |
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| PetoKraus | and then you see another one, and you have to stop and say | Dec 07 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | I hardly user FB | Dec 07 01:18 |
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| PetoKraus | fuck, i went to her wedding! she actually IS married now! | Dec 07 01:18 |
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| PetoKraus | i use it quite a lot | Dec 07 01:19 |
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| PetoKraus | i channel my page trough it | Dec 07 01:19 |
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| PetoKraus | i stalk people trough that | Dec 07 01:19 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, there's lots of pictures ;) very nice pictures | Dec 07 01:19 |
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| PetoKraus | i need proper picture | Dec 07 01:20 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm using my "biker-cock" one | Dec 07 01:20 |
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| PetoKraus | it's half a year old and i look like an idiot :P | Dec 07 01:21 |
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| PetoKraus | http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/... | Dec 07 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | hehe. | Dec 07 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | Memories return | Dec 07 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | Karaoke photos | Dec 07 01:23 |
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| PetoKraus | i like my earphones though | Dec 07 01:23 |
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| PetoKraus | i should make some "art" with them | Dec 07 01:23 |
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| PetoKraus | they look gay, they perfectly match my mp3 player | Dec 07 01:23 |
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| PetoKraus | (http://www.techgadgets.in/images/...) | Dec 07 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Dec 07 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | I'll stick with the mug people just recognise, I think. | Dec 07 01:24 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Dec 07 01:24 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Dec 07 01:24 |
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| PetoKraus | i was trying to take a picture today | Dec 07 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | I've used it in schestowitz.com since 2002 | Dec 07 01:24 |
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| PetoKraus | the best one was actually the "blank one" | Dec 07 01:24 |
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| PetoKraus | i ruined all the ones I am in | Dec 07 01:24 |
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| PetoKraus | http://pk.gjhak.sk/ | Dec 07 01:24 |
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| kevin832 | i think i'm gonna dl the new GRML release tonight | Dec 07 01:26 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, go-to-bed tune | Dec 07 01:26 |
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| *PetoKraus np: Dire Straits - Sultans Of Swing (Alchemy) | Dec 07 01:26 |
| kevin832 | that is a nifty text-based distro | Dec 07 01:27 |
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| kevin832 | has anyone here heard "the gutsy geeks"? it's a radio show about linux | Dec 07 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Dec 07 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | I put up a new mug. Check out BN and say what you think. | Dec 07 01:35 |
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| PetoKraus | oh well | Dec 07 01:42 |
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| PetoKraus | who is THAT? | Dec 07 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | Is that OK? | Dec 07 01:43 |
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| PetoKraus | i can't blooody see a thing | Dec 07 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | I need a refresh | Dec 07 01:43 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, the picture is better | Dec 07 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | Been the same for over 2 years. | Dec 07 01:43 |
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| PetoKraus | but quite small | Dec 07 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that's OK | Dec 07 01:43 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Dec 07 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | No shock, so it's okay, I guess. | Dec 07 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | My Digg one is worse: http://digg.com/users/schestowitz... | Dec 07 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | I look like some kid.. | Dec 07 01:44 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Dec 07 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | I'm a lot heavier now. | Dec 07 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | Not far, just heavy. | Dec 07 01:45 |
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| PetoKraus | ? | Dec 07 01:45 |
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| PetoKraus | too much gym? | Dec 07 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | But back then I took better care of my appearance. | Dec 07 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | No, too much food. | Dec 07 01:45 |
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| PetoKraus | there's nothing like "too much food" | Dec 07 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | Alex Zaharov-Reutt is trolling Linux users again.. http://www.itwire.com/content/vie... | Dec 07 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: there is when you eat for 'fun'... | Dec 07 01:46 |
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| PetoKraus | it's nice to see people are kind | Dec 07 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | When I worked from my office, which I still can't, I didn't have a fridge nearby | Dec 07 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | He ruins ITWire | Dec 07 01:47 |
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| PetoKraus | it's nice to see people are kind... i've been on a band's gig last year | Dec 07 01:47 |
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| PetoKraus | they are from Newcastle | Dec 07 01:47 |
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| PetoKraus | they had one gig over here.... and i quite liked them | Dec 07 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | He and another guy. I considered dumping their RSS feed because they pollute the whole with OBVIOUS trolling. | Dec 07 01:47 |
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| PetoKraus | so now they have an EP released | Dec 07 01:47 |
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| PetoKraus | and he sent over one for me for free... cool guy | Dec 07 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | Copies are cheap | Dec 07 01:48 |
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| schestowitz | Singers should rely on distribution, not scarcity | Dec 07 01:48 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, but its still nice to see someone, you know | Dec 07 01:48 |
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| PetoKraus | my bedcloth REALLY needs a wash :/ | Dec 07 01:49 |
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| PetoKraus | too much mustard | Dec 07 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | Haha | Dec 07 01:50 |
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| schestowitz | Scooby Snacks fevers... | Dec 07 01:50 |
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| schestowitz | "Too much"... as in "mustard on the bed is acceptable, but not *TOO* much" | Dec 07 01:51 |
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| schestowitz | The bed gets "too spicy" | Dec 07 01:51 |
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| PetoKraus | i am quoting you | Dec 07 01:54 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't know where, but you gave me a laugh | Dec 07 01:54 |
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| PetoKraus | GN ;) | Dec 07 01:54 |
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| schestowitz | Oh Gawd! Now people sue for SONG SIMILARITY??? http://techdirt.com/articles/2008120... < Joe Satriani Sues Coldplay For Copyright Infringement > | Dec 07 02:18 |
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| kevin832 | perhaps they would be more successful if they patented the melody instead :) | Dec 07 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | I've just seen the video | Dec 07 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | It *is* similar | Dec 07 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | More than just inspiration. | Dec 07 02:21 |
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| kevin832 | reminds me of the song from doom 2 that sounded like alice in chains | Dec 07 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | But where and how does one draw the line. There are many old cases like that. When I was 15 or so the Spice Girls got sued. | Dec 07 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | Which one from doom2? | Dec 07 02:22 |
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| kevin832 | i never even noticed it until somebody pointed it out | Dec 07 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | I still have it on this PC | Dec 07 02:22 |
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| kevin832 | the map with all those barrels near the start | Dec 07 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Never checked it with Wine.. it's something I carried from many, many years ago.. | Dec 07 02:22 |
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| kevin832 | it sounds like the song "them bones" | Dec 07 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Kind of fast and funky | Dec 07 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | I think I know what you mean. I like that tune. | Dec 07 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | More Musicians Recognizing The Power Of Free < http://techdirt.com/articles/2... > | Dec 07 02:24 |
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| kevin832 | i've been listening to jamendo almost all day | Dec 07 02:24 |
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| kevin832 | if amazon ever starts selling lossless files at a good price i'll buy from them | Dec 07 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | I just turn my old CDs to Oggs these days | Dec 07 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | This afternoon I converted a compilation CD my g/f made me... listening to it since. | Dec 07 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | Soon enough the 'original' CDs will become just 'backup' (lossless) CDs | Dec 07 02:29 |
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| kevin832 | i'm installing ubuntu 8.04 on a piece of garbage laptop | Dec 07 02:29 |
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| schestowitz | It won't do. | Dec 07 02:29 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu is fat. | Dec 07 02:29 |
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| schestowitz | I tried it on a Compaq with 32MB | Dec 07 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu 4.04, IIRC | Dec 07 02:30 |
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| kevin832 | this one's a p4 | Dec 07 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't go. Not enough RAM. | Dec 07 02:30 |
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| kevin832 | a p4 that sounds like a vacume cleaner | Dec 07 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | 4.10. Oops. There's no previous one. | Dec 07 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | I still have many CDs of Ubuntu from over the years... someone mailed me OpenSUSE DVDs too, but I never used them | Dec 07 02:31 |
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| kevin832 | hehe... i had to hunt down and get rid of the ones i had that are no longer supported | Dec 07 02:31 |
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| kevin832 | i started using it at 5.10 (breezy) | Dec 07 02:32 |
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| kevin832 | i also saw somebody put a CD in the microwave on youtube :) | Dec 07 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | Wow! This new upload is lame: <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/YCAFLyi..."></param>< param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param>< param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/YCAFLy..." type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed>< | Dec 07 02:34 |
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| schestowitz | /object> | Dec 07 02:34 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?... | Dec 07 02:34 |
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| schestowitz | I have 5.10 right here. | Dec 07 02:34 |
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| kevin832 | i do miss the older sounds (startup/shutdown) | Dec 07 02:35 |
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| kevin832 | that old wallpaper with the small ubuntu logo was cool too | Dec 07 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | It was also 'smaller' | Dec 07 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | It was a new distro on the scene | Dec 07 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | Some obsccure astronaut lad from SA | Dec 07 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | Brown urged to keep hacker in UK < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/... > | Dec 07 02:37 |
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| kevin832 | i heard they had some sort of nude wallpapers or something in the very early releases, but i've never seen it | Dec 07 02:38 |
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| kevin832 | they joked about it on lugradio | Dec 07 02:38 |
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| schestowitz | No, just the CD cover | Dec 07 02:39 |
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| kevin832 | oh | Dec 07 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | Found it. | Dec 07 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/4.10... | Dec 07 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | Same on the CD. Let me check | Dec 07 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | .Oh, I threw away the cardboard boxes. It's in plastic, I dunno. | Dec 07 02:41 |
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| schestowitz | I felt weird giving old couples at work the Ubuntu CD with that covered. | Dec 07 02:41 |
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| kevin832 | hehe | Dec 07 02:41 |
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| schestowitz | "Try it. Replace Windows. You can trust those people without the shirts.." | Dec 07 02:41 |
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| kevin832 | the icons sure look better today | Dec 07 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | I like Oxygen in KDE | Dec 07 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | Learning from history... http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/12... | Dec 07 02:52 |
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| Omar87 | So, did they tuck Steve Jobs in the coffin yet? | Dec 07 03:25 |
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| kevin832 | sure is quiet in here now | Dec 07 04:52 |
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| Eruaran | hi | Dec 07 04:55 |
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| kevin832 | hello | Dec 07 04:55 |
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| kevin832 | remote desktop = nice... i can update my laptop while sitting at my big pc in my nice chair | Dec 07 04:56 |
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| Eruaran | krdc is even nicer | Dec 07 04:56 |
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| Eruaran | you can have tabbed remote desktops | Dec 07 04:57 |
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| schestowitz | Morning.. | Dec 07 09:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://technocrat.net/d/2008/12/6/55259 "The plant owners are creditors of Bank of America and says they aren't allowed to spend any money on pay, Bank of America says it knows nothing of that and has nothing to do with it. BOA recently received $25 billion in the bailout queue." | Dec 07 09:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.whatpc.co.uk/personal-computer-world/... From "Barry Shilliday"... that's quite a name for a troll. | Dec 07 09:45 |
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| trmanco | Shilliday | Dec 07 09:51 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Dec 07 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | The review isn't trolling though. | Dec 07 09:51 |
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| trmanco | I never tried KDE 4 yet | Dec 07 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | Give it a quick go | Dec 07 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu: Try KDE 4.2 Now! : http://hehe2.net/linux-general/try-kd... | Dec 07 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | Go hardcore.. http://signedbit.wordpress.com/2008... | Dec 07 10:02 |
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| trmanco | I will soon | Dec 07 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | You can run all the GTK stuff in KDE... http://www.thelinuxnewb.com/2008/12/customi... | Dec 07 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | KDE 4.2 screenshots: http://sayakb.blogspot.com/2008/12... | Dec 07 10:23 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/05/the-li... " Aaron Seigo [Ed.: With Aaron's permission, I've removed this post, as he wrote it quite literally while I was writing the edits mentioned above. Again, apologies to the KDE community for my snide, unnecessary comment;" | Dec 07 10:29 |
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| Eruaran | hi | Dec 07 10:53 |
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| Kofferdonk | Good afternoon! | Dec 07 10:54 |
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| Kofferdonk | Is Steve Ballmer here? Everyone are silent like mice. | Dec 07 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: lots of KDE 4 items today | Dec 07 10:55 |
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| Eruaran | schestowitz: cool | Dec 07 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | Kofferdonk: it's Sunday. :-D | Dec 07 10:55 |
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| Kofferdonk | OK. :D | Dec 07 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/843-From-the-Post-2... | Dec 07 10:56 |
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| schestowitz | KDE4 in the news: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/Combined-KDE-a... http://sayakb.blogspot.com/2008/12/revi... http://introducingkde4.blogspot.com/2... http://hemswell.lincoln.ac.uk/~pa... http://www.kev009.com/wp/2008/1... http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008/... | Dec 07 10:56 |
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| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Dec 07 10:57 |
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| Kofferdonk | Trying to figure out what the discussion is about. | Dec 07 10:58 |
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| Eruaran | got stupid things going on iwth my desktop | Dec 07 10:58 |
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| schestowitz | Which desktop? | Dec 07 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | GNOME or KDE? | Dec 07 11:02 |
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| Eruaran | gnome | Dec 07 11:03 |
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| MinceR | ew | Dec 07 11:04 |
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| MinceR | well, gnome is a stupid thing going on with the desktop :> | Dec 07 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | sudo stuff.. http://linuxgeeksunited.blogspot.com/20... | Dec 07 11:05 |
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| Eruaran | some apps open fullscreen | Dec 07 11:06 |
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| Eruaran | kind of randomly started happening | Dec 07 11:07 |
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| Eruaran | cant start tremulous from gnome | Dec 07 11:07 |
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| Eruaran | actually | Dec 07 11:07 |
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| MinceR | start nexuiz or sauerbraten instead :> | Dec 07 11:07 |
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| Eruaran | when i start tremulous from gnome i cant use the mouse | Dec 07 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | Quitting a smoke is hard, I guess... http://earthlingblues.wordpress.com/2008... "Meanwhile, if you’re used to Windows, Linux seems hard. I have to look things up; I’m having to learn about computers again. " | Dec 07 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | “They’ll get sort of addicted" -- Bill Gates | Dec 07 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://torvalds-family.blogspot.c... | Dec 07 11:11 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: hey | Dec 07 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | KDE 4.2 video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-kz5aTVtLNo | Dec 07 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | hey, anivar | Dec 07 11:23 |
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| anivar | hope you are aware about the Free software Free Society conference 9-11 in TVM | Dec 07 11:23 |
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| anivar | Kerala | Dec 07 11:23 |
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| anivar | http://fsfs.in | Dec 07 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | I never saw this. | Dec 07 11:25 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: see schedule here http://fsfs.in/schedule/... | Dec 07 11:27 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: We are setting up remote participation too | Dec 07 11:27 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: we are planning to stream video using http://giss.tv/ | Dec 07 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | Excellent. | Dec 07 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | Promote it. | Dec 07 11:30 |
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| MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v... | Dec 07 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | Old video | Dec 07 11:36 |
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| Eruaran | KDE 4.1.80 (4.2 beta 1) and Kwin effects: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?... | Dec 07 11:40 |
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| Eruaran | Things are nicer, smoother, more polished | Dec 07 11:41 |
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| *benJIman is surprised schestowitz hasn't posted about the iwf's censoring of wikipedia yet. | Dec 07 12:06 |
| Eruaran | IWF censoring of wikipedia ? | Dec 07 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/British_ISPs_restrict_acces... | Dec 07 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, benJIman, I got it. | Dec 07 12:18 |
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| PetoKraus | morning | Dec 07 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | Moin' | Dec 07 12:18 |
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| PetoKraus | actually early afternoon | Dec 07 12:18 |
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| PetoKraus | there's nothing better than long sleep on sunday morning ;) | Dec 07 12:19 |
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| PetoKraus | goddamned keyboard shortcut :P | Dec 07 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | Intel to sack 4000-6000 people. That's a criminal company shrinking... my dad just told me... hopefully my brother in law won't lose his job there. | Dec 07 12:37 |
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| Eruaran | Netflix Launches Online Streaming Support For Apple Mac And Linux PC: http://www.newsoxy.com/netflix/ar... | Dec 07 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | PVRs seem to adopt Linux as de facto choice.. | Dec 07 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | It's the best 'commodity' platform and it's stable. Even Wind River bets on it... just seen its Linux business rising 115%!!! | Dec 07 12:40 |
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| Eruaran | This may not be news but its interesting in the current economic climate to read how much IBM claims business can save by using their new Microsoft-free solution | Dec 07 12:42 |
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| Eruaran | http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/op... | Dec 07 12:42 |
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| Eruaran | Cost-Conscious Companies Turn to Open Source Software: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Cost-Conscious-C... | Dec 07 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | They have to. | Dec 07 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | Free software. | Dec 07 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | Usually for cost reasons though. | Dec 07 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | Freedom they'll understand later on. | Dec 07 12:48 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Dec 07 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | For RMS, starting this movement was never about cutting costs but about keeping control. That said, I bet he thought about cultural issues some time along the way, realising that digital divides and exploitation can end when the cost barriers are eliminated. Then the 'open-source' libraries and media thing (open access too) began. | Dec 07 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is 'cracking down' on so-called 'piracy' like nobody's business ATM. They need the money. I'll write a lot about this tonight. | Dec 07 12:50 |
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| PetoKraus | oh god | Dec 07 12:51 |
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| PetoKraus | this fucking Cloud fud | Dec 07 12:51 |
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| Eruaran | cloud fud ? | Dec 07 12:51 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Dec 07 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | They tried this in China and got sued several times.. | Dec 07 12:52 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/12/07/why-l... | Dec 07 12:52 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, he's not a linux guru | Dec 07 12:52 |
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| PetoKraus | but i guess he's sort of the prime image of | Dec 07 12:53 |
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| PetoKraus | what common Sixpack Joe using Linux thinks | Dec 07 12:53 |
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| Eruaran | I thought linux was a large portion of "the cloud" | Dec 07 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | MS got accused of cracking PC, but people obviously don't read the EULA. | Dec 07 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | Cloud=server | Dec 07 12:53 |
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| Eruaran | TLDR | Dec 07 12:53 |
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| PetoKraus | Eruaran: well, my comment is even longer than whole post | Dec 07 12:54 |
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| schestowitz | I'll set up a small 'cloud' tomorrow. 133t cloud | Dec 07 12:54 |
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| Eruaran | heh | Dec 07 12:54 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: i thought we already had one here :P | Dec 07 12:54 |
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| Eruaran | PetoKraus: I'm referring to Microsoft's EULA | Dec 07 12:54 |
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| PetoKraus | Eruaran: uh-huh | Dec 07 12:54 |
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| PetoKraus | otoh, is GPL shorter? | Dec 07 12:54 |
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| Eruaran | GPL is more interesting | Dec 07 12:55 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Dec 07 12:55 |
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| Eruaran | The opening blurb makes people go, "oho ?" | Dec 07 12:55 |
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| Eruaran | And they read at least a bit more before they get to the TLDR part | Dec 07 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://slated.org/windows_xp_... | Dec 07 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | Vista's is worse. | Dec 07 12:56 |
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| PetoKraus | i can't access that fucking page | Dec 07 13:01 |
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| PetoKraus | [H]omer: ââ¬Â½Ã¢â¬Â½Ã¢â¬Â½Ã¢â¬Â½Ã¢â¬Â½Ã¢â¬Â½Ã¢â¬Â½Ã¢â¬Â½Ã¢â¬Â½Ã¢â¬Â½Ã¢â¬Â½Ã¢â¬Â½ | Dec 07 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | It's the ISP | Dec 07 13:02 |
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| PetoKraus | i know | Dec 07 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | It's tainted | Dec 07 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | The Phorm Whrm | Dec 07 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | *Whorm | Dec 07 13:02 |
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| Eruaran | whats tainted ? | Dec 07 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | The ISP of PetoKraus | Dec 07 13:06 |
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| PetoKraus | Whore Media | Dec 07 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | It's malicious. It extracts all his personal stuff from packets and then sells it to SPAMMING companies | Dec 07 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | It should be a crime | Dec 07 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | The EU COmmisioned demanded that Clown and his cabinet crack down on it. They didn't. | Dec 07 13:07 |
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| Eruaran | i c | Dec 07 13:11 |
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| PetoKraus | umm | Dec 07 13:18 |
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| PetoKraus | could i have your proxy, schestowitz ? | Dec 07 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | I changed password | Dec 07 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | \Use the Web archive | Dec 07 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | Or google cache. | Dec 07 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cach... | Dec 07 13:25 |
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| PetoKraus | it was just because | Dec 07 13:25 |
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| PetoKraus | Virgin Media apparently blocks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_killer | Dec 07 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | You could also 'fix' the ISO | Dec 07 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | ISP | Dec 07 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | The ISP is 'ill'. It has whorms. | Dec 07 13:26 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Dec 07 13:27 |
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| PetoKraus | what can i do | Dec 07 13:27 |
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| PetoKraus | i wanna stable provider | Dec 07 13:27 |
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| PetoKraus | i wanna someone who doesn't filter my net | Dec 07 13:27 |
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| PetoKraus | i wanna pay at about €£30 a month | Dec 07 13:27 |
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| PetoKraus | this is bollocks | Dec 07 13:27 |
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| Eruaran | Read your agreement with your service provider | Dec 07 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | They make it cheap by selling you out | Dec 07 13:30 |
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| benJIman | be didn't filter until recently, when they started implementing the IWF's filters. | Dec 07 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Prostitution is easy money too. :-) | Dec 07 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Google earns a lot from spying on people | Dec 07 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Use NoScript | Dec 07 13:31 |
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| benJIman | They're probably still the best ISP as they don't do traffic shaping based on protocol and don't use phorm. | Dec 07 13:31 |
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| Eruaran | If they are failing to offer the service you expected when you signed up, then you may be able to terminate the contract on the grounds of breach of contract. | Dec 07 13:31 |
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| Eruaran | Unresonable new restrictions may represent a breach of contract. | Dec 07 13:33 |
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| PetoKraus | benJIman: BE? | Dec 07 13:33 |
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| PetoKraus | the point is | Dec 07 13:33 |
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| PetoKraus | if i wanted BT line | Dec 07 13:34 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd have to pay €£127 for connection | Dec 07 13:34 |
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| PetoKraus | there's literally almost no way out of this mess | Dec 07 13:34 |
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| PetoKraus | oh modpoints again | Dec 07 13:38 |
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