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schestowitzMAFIIAction: New Zealand Hairdresser Gets Bill For Playing Music In Her Shop < http://techdirt.com/articles/2... >; also worth seeing is this demo: http://techdirt.com/articles/2008...Dec 10 00:01
schestowitzhttp://legalpad.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/... "It won’t work against patent trolls. Competitors of the Linux-based OSes can put some patents in a troll company, and this kind of patent pooling won’t work, because you cannot countersue."Dec 10 00:05
schestowitz"But what struck me was that once again IBM had chosen to work closely with Ubuntu. It's a good match: plucky GNU/Linux distro, with lots of street-cred but not much welly in the enterprise, and massive old Big Blue, still looking for way to win back some of the influence it once had on the desktop with the original, open-architecture PC (and which it blew with the closed PS/2 that followed it.)"Dec 10 00:25
schestowitzhttp://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/inde...Dec 10 00:25
MinceRgnDec 10 00:43
schestowitzMicrosoft advert in the Beeb: <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tech... >Dec 10 00:58
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schestowitz Report: White House should oversee cybersecurity < http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/12/08/cyber.sec... >. So.... are they restricting use of Windows?Dec 10 01:15
schestowitz"is XP being given away these days?" Mark Shuttleworth heard that it *IS* free. Microsoft whine about losing money due to this.Dec 10 01:20
schestowitzFrom: http://www.siriusit.co.uk/myblog/splash...Dec 10 01:21
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twitterwhite house?  the people who can't find their email but know that China has a backup?Dec 10 02:57
twitterah, I see, the new administration.  Who knows, they might have a clue.Dec 10 02:58
twitterThe old administration pulled a stunt like that years ago.  Let me find the link.Dec 10 02:58
twitterAh yes, clueless mandate http://politics.slashdot.org/article....Dec 10 02:58
twittermandated anti-securityDec 10 02:59
twitter" minimum standards for securing cyberspace"  That must be how they excuse Winblows.  I'll have to read the report, CNN blows.Dec 10 03:00
twitterThey did not link the report either.  http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pub... sadDec 10 03:05
twitterugh 96 pagesDec 10 03:06
twitterI don't now how they did it, but I can't cut and paste text.  It gives me garbage characters.Dec 10 03:16
twitterpdftotext does to :-(Dec 10 03:16
twitterOh well, what bothered me most is right in the summary, "We used the response to proliferation as a model for how to approach cybersecurity."  That could be very bad, restricting tools instead of hardening targets and pursuing justice.Dec 10 03:19
twitter"We recommend that the United States buy only secure products and services; standards and guidelines for secure products should be developed in partnership with industry." sigh, the most secure software is free, they will ask industry what to buy.  Let me look for "free software" and "Open Source"Dec 10 03:24
twitterthe word "free" does not appear in the report.Dec 10 03:24
twitterthe word "open" does not appear in the report.Dec 10 03:25
twitterI need to check this .... the word "the" appears in a lot of places in the report, text search works and the report is broken.Dec 10 03:25
twitter"Do not start over.  The Bush administration took a major step toward improving federal cybersecurity with its Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative.  Although CNCI is not comprehensive and unnecessary secrecy reduced its effect, we believe it is a good place to start."Dec 10 03:29
twitterThis looks like a rear guard action.  Plunging on.Dec 10 03:29
twitter"The United States should allow consumers to use strong government-issued credentials (or commercially issued credentials based on them) for online activities, consistent with protecting privacy and civil liberties."  They are talking about banking and commerce.  I don't like the potential for tracking here, they want it for taxes and have made sure they can track everything but cash so far.Dec 10 03:38
twitterIt would be nice to have government created credentials, so long as they are free and based on best practices, but private institutions should be able to do better and provide their customers (not "consumers") with anonymity in purchasing.Dec 10 03:39
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2008... (Yahoo! planning massive layoffs for Wednesday)Dec 10 08:32
kentma1ahh, poor b*ggers.Dec 10 08:32
kentma1We live in interesting times.Dec 10 08:32
schestowitzhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h...Dec 10 08:35
schestowitzCongressional Report: FCC's Martin Abused Power < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1552... >Dec 10 08:58
schestowitzWindows zombie back in action: Spam Bounces Back < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155218/spa... >Dec 10 08:58
schestowitzSome people whom I point to Ogg know nothing about the issues with it. There's the patent issue which makes it worthwhile to steer away from MP3. They have armed mafia-like people (Sisvel) enforcing it now < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/0... >. It's a Philips front/proxy and it's attacking OpenMoko too.Dec 10 09:09
kentma1ahh, they know no bounds...Dec 10 09:13
schestowitzThey are like Microsoft now.... cracking down on everything that moves because "business is a right" to themDec 10 09:15
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schestowitzOther people in the same blog are suggesting that you can't give Linux as a gift without a 'warning'. That's a very fair point. Let's not forget, however, that people don't expect their phone to run Windows.Dec 10 09:15
schestowitzCorruption in US government (shock horror!): Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich Accused of Attempt to Sell Obama’s Senate Seat < http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/... >Dec 10 09:23
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20081... "Congress has now released a report slamming Martin for widespread abuses of power during his chairmanship, noting his efforts to force the FCC to bury the original report and publish the new report."Dec 10 09:25
MinceRhayDec 10 09:26
schestowitz"RE: A no-fly zone to protect Linux from patent trolls, where the OIN CEO says: €«We’re not anti-patent by any stretch of the imagination. More patents is fine with me, as long as they’re high quality. Quality is the drum we beat.€» This is 100% bullshit. If it's about “quality software patents”, then the OIN is favoring software patents!"Dec 10 11:00
schestowitzhttp://beranger.org/index.php?page=dia... (the part about OINk)Dec 10 11:02
schestowitzA lot of people search Google for "Microsoft layoffs". About 40 of them end up in BoycottNovell per day. What do they know that we don't know yet?Dec 10 13:02
MinceR:)Dec 10 13:03
schestowitzBN not even listed here: http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?...Dec 10 13:03
MinceRperhaps they're working for microsoft and the rumors are spreading in thereDec 10 13:03
schestowitzMinceR: yes, for sure. That's true based on the comments I receive.Dec 10 13:03
MinceRif they dare do that from their workplace, their IP addresses might tell you thatDec 10 13:04
schestowitzI never checked.Dec 10 13:04
schestowitzI used to have a DNS translator, but it was slow.Dec 10 13:05
schestowitzI don't see the point spending time on this, either. Even if I could produce proof, so what?Dec 10 13:05
schestowitz3271 different keyphrasesSearchPercentDec 10 13:05
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schestowitzboycot novell330.5 %Dec 10 13:05
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1... "Yoon, who according to the San Diego Union-Tribune was at work at the time of the crash, told reporters: “Nobody expected such a horrible thing to happen, especially right here, right [in] our house. I know God is taking care of my [family].”"Dec 10 13:08
schestowitzSo his whole family is dead, but religion give him power... how about commenting on the US being an excessively militant country?Dec 10 13:08
schestowitz*givesDec 10 13:09
schestowitz"They weren't really killed... God took them... he's 'testing' me..." So had the pilot stayed in the plane and steered it into some forest, there would be one casualty, not THREE. He 'passed' his burden.Dec 10 13:11
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schestowitzSays (former) Microsoft employee: http://lwn.net/Articles/308309/  "...the Java mess, patents and copyright... remaining challenges for free software, and many other things. I'm a former Microsoft programmer of 11 years, and I'm one of a few people who've studied the MS and non-MS worlds..." Gotta tread carefully there.Dec 10 13:27
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schestowitzLinux.com on C# (ish): "Unlike Mono or Java, a Vala program does not require any virtual machine or runtime libraries, so people who use your Vala objects don't even have to know they are not written in C." < http://www.linux.com/feature/154784 >Dec 10 13:33
schestowitzSurprise, surprise. The Maureen O'Gara shill is playing up Novell after the bad results..Dec 10 13:59
schestowitzI look at news for "Novell" in Google News and I find the headline: "Don't expect much from anti-Novell zeolots"Dec 10 14:19
schestowitz"Doing very, very well" doesn't mean anything in isolation. For starters, Novell's headline figure of an increase of 33 per cent in quarterly Linux revenues translates to just $8.2 million in cash, a few minutes' chump change to the really big IT houses that turnover billions." < http://www.osnews.com/thread?339748 >Dec 10 14:27
schestowitz LG Display Cuts Q4 Outlook on Sharp Decline in LCD Demand < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155245/lg_di... >; Downturn Hits Taiwan's Foundry Chip Makers < http://www.pcworld.com/article/15... >. On the bright side, it's good for the environment; no lavish expenditures.Dec 10 14:51
schestowitzThey used to say gaming won't be affected by the depression...  Electronic Arts warns on profits < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7774959.stm >.Dec 10 14:52
schestowitzIDG playing along with the Microsoft dance of EEEing open source.. http://www.networkworld.com/news/...Dec 10 14:56
schestowitzDemise of old media yet? "U.S. Internet users watched 13.5 billion online videos during October, marking a 45 percent increase compared to a year ago, according to comScore Video Metrix." < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2... >Dec 10 15:06
schestowitzAussie schools on Linux? It's also covered here. Good stuff! http://www.itnews.com.au/News/90863,op...Dec 10 15:19
schestowitzScreenshots Thunderbird 3:  http://ascher.ca/blog/2008/12/09/... It's looking really good. It's one of my favourite apps.Dec 10 15:21
schestowitzDebian 5 is taking ages to come... http://blog.venthur.de/2008/12...Dec 10 15:27
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ModplanManRoy, have you ever thought of using  a service like twitter or identi.ca?Dec 10 16:18
ModplanMan(am RyanT btw)Dec 10 16:18
schestowitzIRC was the suggestion of one reader. It seems to work pretty well.Dec 10 16:20
twitter"people in the same blog are suggesting that you can't give Linux as a gift without a 'warning'. That's a very fair point."  It's not a fair point at all, non free software like Windows has far more liability.  They are less careful and get sued all the time.  Long term credibility if firmly on free software's side.Dec 10 16:36
twitter"A lot of people search Google for "Microsoft layoffs". About 40 of them end up in BoycottNovell per day. What do they know that we don't know yet?"  I scared the shit out of at least one person by accident, http://slashdot.org/~t...Dec 10 16:40
twitterIt was an honest mistake.  The article said "fire up 20,000 employees," I read it as "fire up to 20,000 employees."  Can you imagine a company wide meeting to fire most of your people?  I laughed out loud at the insanity but did not put it past Sweaty B.Dec 10 16:42
twitterYou can see where a reader was actually upset.  Since then nearly a million people have lost their jobs anyway.  The reader should save their pity for the innocent.Dec 10 16:45
twitterOMG it's MOG.Dec 10 16:52
MinceRMOG? Half-man, half-dog, his own best friend?Dec 10 16:59
schestowitzMOgged of all dignityDec 10 16:59
schestowitzRe: layoffs; looting of public's puny wealth has only just begun; wait 'till next year.Dec 10 17:00
schestowitzBy the way, I've discussed censorship of the term "patent troll"Dec 10 17:10
schestowitzApparently the press continues to censor it.Dec 10 17:10
schestowitzThe criminals cannot be flagged sharks or trolls. We must respect white-collar crimeDec 10 17:10
schestowitzRespect... as in Jim Zemlin's "respect Microsoft".Dec 10 17:10
twitterHere is interesting evidence of M$/Gatner/WE collusion from the "Vista Capable" trail.Dec 10 17:44
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twitter********************** start email quote *****************Dec 10 17:45
twitterFrom: Jamin SpilzerDec 10 17:45
twittersent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:30 PMDec 10 17:45
twitterto: Brad GoldbergDec 10 17:45
twitterCC: Martha Sherman; Lisa Worthington; Laura Dodd (Waggener Edstrom)Dec 10 17:45
twitterSubject: Steveb recap DraftDec 10 17:45
twitterDavid Smith commented that Gartner will not bash MS if MS chooses to slip Vista.Dec 10 17:45
twitterSteve gave the analysts an explanation of how M$ will Measure Vista success.  First is market measures such as absolute units (should be bigger), percentage of Install base (small percentage, regardless of 'success').  Second Steve keyed three audiences he wasts to see adopt Vista:  developers, enterprises and consumer word of mouth (a "je ne sais qua") that reafirms Windows at the center of computing.  (I heard this a bit differeDec 10 17:45
twitter************************ end email quote ***************************Dec 10 17:45
twitterfrom page 34 of http://media.techflash.com/docume...Dec 10 17:45
schestowitzExcellent.Dec 10 17:45
schestowitzHow did you find it?Dec 10 17:46
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twitterLinked from a Todd Bishop article.  I'm reading it for Enderle correspondence and found the above.Dec 10 17:46
twitterI hate how people use image based pdfs.Dec 10 17:47
PetoKrauslolDec 10 17:51
PetoKrausit took SECC two days to send me ticketsDec 10 17:51
PetoKrausactually, one work dayDec 10 17:51
PetoKrausthat's brilliant serviceDec 10 17:52
twitterpage 29 of the same document has interesting story plant potential as well.Dec 10 17:53
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twitterSome kind of "Biz Lunch" to "maximize coverage around the BV launch"Dec 10 17:54
twitterInformation Week, WSJ and Blooberg are all mentioned with notes about upcoming stories, and what the reporters want Steve to tell them to write.Dec 10 17:56
twitter"In addition the Info Week story will include a sidebar entitled, "The 10 Things Steve Ballmer Wants You to Know About Microsoft."  We have drafted that list which is attached for your review..."Dec 10 17:57
schestowitztwitter: can it be copies and pasted from there?Dec 10 17:57
schestowitzI was hoping someone would look closely at the PDfsDec 10 17:57
twitterNo, I have to transcribe it manually.Dec 10 17:57
schestowitzIt's also a goldmine in the Iowa case..Dec 10 17:57
schestowitzAny OCR software?Dec 10 17:58
schestowitzAnyone?Dec 10 17:58
twitterI have OCR but the images are intentionally poor.Dec 10 17:58
schestowitztwitter: story plant would be interesting.Dec 10 17:58
schestowitzI am going to post that Gartner thing.Dec 10 17:58
twittercool.  Have a look at page 29 and see if it's worth transcribing.Dec 10 17:59
schestowitzInfo Week, eh?Dec 10 17:59
schestowitzThat ought to explain their attacks on Linux, esp. back then.Dec 10 17:59
twitterAll three of the publications seem to be close, which is why they had an invite at all.  Not all three journalist would be graced with Mr. Ballmer's time.Dec 10 18:00
twitterIf you think the letter is worth transcribing, I'll spend the time doing it.Dec 10 18:00
twitterright now, I'm moving still looking for the Enderle stuff.Dec 10 18:00
twitterHe had a tiff with M$ management and though they were shooting him over it.  Is there any evidence that M$ screwed him over around 2006?Dec 10 18:01
twitterI know they burn all of their analysts eventually, but it would be interesting to note his burning came from disagreeing with M$ not the damage to credibility that comes with backing obvious liars.Dec 10 18:02
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schestowitztwitter: the text of this would be excellent. I can also grab a screenshotDec 10 18:06
schestowitzred: Rob Enderle, he was in good touch in 2007Dec 10 18:07
schestowitzCocktail parties in Redmond and all.Dec 10 18:07
schestowitzI can't think of a tiff... he boosted the SCO lawsuit whilst Microsoft funneled some money into the lawsuitDec 10 18:07
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twitterTiff was private, I suppose that's why he's not thrown out.  You gave me the link a while back,  http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Enderle_Micros...Dec 10 18:12
twitterI've got another juicy quote from page 28, which is about the same thing.  Deep see diving is part of the corruption party.Dec 10 18:13
twitter************************** start email quote *******************************Dec 10 18:13
twitterFrom Tom PillaDec 10 18:14
twitterSent November 17, 2006Dec 10 18:14
twitterTo: Steve Ballmer; Debbie Hill; Dorothy VelthDec 10 18:14
twitterCC: Mich Mathews; Larry Cohen; John Pnette; Bill Cox; Ari Bixhorn; Kim Stocks; Frank Shaw (Waggener Edstrom)Dec 10 18:14
twitterSubject RE: Biz Value Launch - Pre event Media inteviewsDec 10 18:14
twitter....Dec 10 18:14
twitterBloomberg Dina BassDec 10 18:14
twitterDespite her lack of deep technical knowledge, Dina has been well versed in Office, Vista and Exchange.  She recently met with Criscap, Mike Slavert and Dave Thompson for deep dives.  Dina is positive about the releases, but her affinity for controversy/tension means she will reference (in her launch coverage) the barriers we will face.  Whether it is the EU, product delays, or competitive threats from Google, Dina tess a complete Dec 10 18:14
twitter*********************** end email quote ********************************Dec 10 18:14
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schestowitzI'm uploading a copy of the PDF to BN, just in caseDec 10 18:18
schestowitztwitter: excellent, thank youDec 10 18:19
twitterFound the Enderle stuff on page 23.  It looks worse than Bishop wrote it up.Dec 10 18:19
twitterEnderle chatted with Dell and they concluded 6 versions of Vista was a mistake.  Dell did not communicate that with M$ and when Enderle asked for confirmation he was threatened, "Any conversation outside the spirit of this forum [Dell GAC discussions] are in violation of the NDA"Dec 10 18:22
schestowitzWho is David Smith?Dec 10 18:23
schestowitzOhDec 10 18:23
schestowitzgartnerDec 10 18:23
schestowitzI see now.Dec 10 18:23
twitterJust there to pledge Gatner's support, I suppose.Dec 10 18:23
twitterOh wow, Enderle's opinion is blistering.  Starts on page 20.Dec 10 18:25
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schestowitzI saw parts of itDec 10 18:29
schestowitzHe mentions "Mac and Linux folks"Dec 10 18:30
PetoKrausof only did HP pick better distroDec 10 18:32
twitterThe saga starts on page 17.  I'm going to quote large chunks of it on my Slashdot journal but it's more a Vista failure thing than that other stuff I shared with you above.  I'll get back to that other stuff in a bit.Dec 10 18:33
schestowitzAny more about the journos?Dec 10 18:33
schestowitzLike the InfoWeek stuff?Dec 10 18:34
twitterLike I said, there's more.  I'll quote it when I'm finished with the Enderle stuff.  With lunch and all, it should be done in two or three hours.Dec 10 18:34
twitterThe stuff about "not bashing" and deep sea diving was just too good to keep to myself.  :)Dec 10 18:35
schestowitzHa!Dec 10 18:39
schestowitzJohn FoleyDec 10 18:39
schestowitzThat's that Windows-licketDec 10 18:39
schestowitzThat's that Windows-lickerDec 10 18:39
schestowitzThey 'treated' him tooDec 10 18:39
PetoKrausoh man! http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/1...Dec 10 18:39
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schestowitzdeep sea?Dec 10 18:40
schestowitzDeep dives?Dec 10 18:40
PetoKrausWOOOOSH!Dec 10 18:42
schestowitzIndeed. Seagate abruptly lowers Q4 2008 revenue forecast < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12... >Dec 10 19:21
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neighborleeyou know its a shame, that not only are innocent victims encumbered by this mono mess, but also that those same innocent users cant even use synatpic, the default install gui supported by cannonical, to get rid of it easily ?,,or have I missed something ?:: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/11/16/how...Dec 10 19:26
schestowitzWhich comment is this? It doesn't scroll down to it?Dec 10 19:28
neighborleehttp://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/11/16/how-t... < sorry I meant to just paste thisDec 10 19:31
neighborleeo_0Dec 10 19:31
neighborleeI had just finished commenting , thus ;(Dec 10 19:31
schestowitzhttp://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/arc... (little help from  volunteers... if any show up)Dec 10 19:32
schestowitzI think he has moderation. Alan also read BN, I think.Dec 10 19:33
neighborleeid not be surprised,,Dec 10 19:34
neighborleeThe student was showing the ability of the laptop and handing out Linux disks. < hehe ;))Dec 10 19:36
schestowitzWho's that?Dec 10 19:36
neighborleehttp://www.theopensourcerer.com/Dec 10 19:36
neighborleesome teacher huhDec 10 19:38
neighborleeo_0Dec 10 19:38
schestowitzYes.Dec 10 19:39
schestowitzTeaches about the dangers of Mono as well.Dec 10 19:39
neighborleeyeahDec 10 19:40
schestowitzHey! Helios made the Dot: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?si...Dec 10 19:42
schestowitzVery funny is also the 'recommendation' bit... he liked when when I leaked it last week.Dec 10 19:42
twitteryes it did.Dec 10 19:43
neighborleehis charts are interesting too :))Dec 10 19:43
neighborleeAnd who is it who thinks the world wants Mono? :)Dec 10 19:43
twitterI found an Enderle smoking gun, where he puts M$ interests above those of his publisher.Dec 10 19:43
twitterOn page 19, his last email to Barry he says, "Well this is what happens when you set expectation high then pull features out.  .... Microsoft is already being lambasted for crippled Vista. ... I get to do a lot of columns these days, could guarantee each of these titles [pointing out Vista is a rip off] not only would get published they would make the front page or pull amazing numbers.  ...   One thing has changed since '85 we haDec 10 19:44
schestowitzGoodDec 10 19:44
schestowitzI have another that I will post later... to space them up a bitDec 10 19:44
schestowitzShredder Vista vid is upDec 10 19:44
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/10/g...Dec 10 19:44
twitterCool.  I'll have to check it out.Dec 10 19:45
schestowitzYour messages get truncatedDec 10 19:45
schestowitzAll the stuff you paste here.Dec 10 19:45
schestowitz" One thing has changed since '85 we ha"Dec 10 19:45
MinceRi've got a 'v' more :)Dec 10 19:46
PetoKraushmm it's funny how different clients handle long postsDec 10 19:47
PetoKrausxchat usually just splits itDec 10 19:47
MinceRafaik the client can't really know where to splitDec 10 19:48
PetoKrausirssi craps up totallyDec 10 19:48
neighborleeschestowitz, you did see my post I presume about gnome dev page showing tomboy clearly why current release notes  for 2.24 says nothing about itDec 10 19:48
MinceRsince the message length limit includes the prefix added by the ircdDec 10 19:48
schestowitzneighborlee: oh, as in taking it for granted that Mono is OK by default?Dec 10 19:50
neighborleeschestowitz, yesDec 10 19:51
neighborleeschestowitz, well that its part of gnome yaddaDec 10 19:51
schestowitzDo we have a before|after snapshot?Dec 10 19:51
schestowitzLike... if we wanted to write "GNOME Gradually Makes it OK to Have GNOME by Default"Dec 10 19:52
schestowitzThen showing announcement from 2007... followed by the latestDec 10 19:52
neighborleeschestowitz, the current release notes used to mention tomboy, but I  can't find it in current ones..but the development notes on gnome mention tomboy clearly,,Dec 10 19:53
neighborleelet me find relevant url's if you likeDec 10 19:53
neighborleehttp://library.gnome.org/misc/... < here vs : http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap < which does mention it: tomboy notes: complete crossplatform supportDec 10 19:57
schestowitztwitter: I do the Enderle text. So in case we duplicate effort, I say this nowDec 10 19:59
schestowitzCan we compare announcement to roadmap?Dec 10 20:11
schestowitzIs there a prior announcement?Dec 10 20:11
MinceRhm, how strict is novell's stranglehold on gnome currently?Dec 10 20:11
schestowitzThey have MiguelDec 10 20:11
schestowitzRemember what Ximian is to GNOMEDec 10 20:12
PetoKrauswho cares about gnome anyway :PDec 10 20:12
PetoKrausalright, i'll stop being pointlessDec 10 20:12
MinceRanyone who cares about gtk, for exampleDec 10 20:12
twitterback, had a few things to do.  Let me catch up.Dec 10 20:13
PetoKrausyeah, i can imagine them trying to code GTK 3 using monoDec 10 20:14
neighborleeMinceR, yeah, which now specifically calls c# one of the wrappers instead of javaDec 10 20:14
MinceRgreatDec 10 20:14
twittertruncation issue, the message continues with incriminating quote, " One thing has changed since '85 we have blogs now.   .... The press was taken through the product and every time a feature is dropped the calls come in with the take that Vista is just smoke and mirrors now, I can turn some of these but there are limitations to what I can do."Dec 10 20:15
neighborleeI thought linus was nuts saying 'just use kde' but I wonder if then he knew something I didn't and just never said anything or I missed one of his posts ;)..anyway seeing gnome as likely a lost cause I may be going to kde anyway because its clear they no longer represent foss... I 'm very very undecided on this but >kde everydayDec 10 20:16
twitterOh, I was working on Enderle text.  No big deal.Dec 10 20:16
neighborleeas much as I dont like m andriva for supporting mono in gnome version, at least their 'default' uses kde which at least is something...? ;)Dec 10 20:17
MinceRi prefer kdeDec 10 20:17
MinceRbut both Qt and GTK are in danger nowDec 10 20:17
neighborleeeek ?Dec 10 20:17
MinceRand the other toolkits are just inadequateDec 10 20:17
neighborleewell there is that attempt to bring over a mono wrapper yes, but its not going INside kde faikDec 10 20:18
MinceRQt is controlled by Nokia who are hostile to FLOSSDec 10 20:18
MinceRand GTK is controlled by microsoftDec 10 20:18
PetoKrausMinceR: "other toolkits are inadequate" which ones do you mean?Dec 10 20:18
neighborleetrue about qt, and OUCH about gtk,,though based on their willingness to showcase c# instead of java , none of that would surprise me at allDec 10 20:18
MinceRfltk, Tk come to mindDec 10 20:19
PetoKrausyeah, there's ETKDec 10 20:19
MinceRalso Swing and XtDec 10 20:19
MinceRand xawDec 10 20:19
MinceRand the motif descendantsDec 10 20:19
MinceRwell, i don't know a lot about etkDec 10 20:19
neighborleeyou mean Enlightenment tk ?Dec 10 20:19
PetoKrausme neither....Dec 10 20:19
MinceRi've only ever seen it in overly skinned versionsDec 10 20:19
PetoKrausneighborlee: yupDec 10 20:19
MinceRand only used by enlightenment appsDec 10 20:19
neighborleeinteresting.Dec 10 20:19
neighborleeyeahDec 10 20:19
PetoKrausyeahDec 10 20:20
PetoKrausi don't think it's the way to go thoDec 10 20:20
MinceRand after seeing edb i'm kind of averse to meddling with enlightenment stuff at allDec 10 20:20
PetoKrausedb?Dec 10 20:20
MinceRthe enlightenment fork of berkeley dbDec 10 20:20
MinceRto freeze its binary interface or somethingDec 10 20:20
PetoKrausuhDec 10 20:20
MinceRentrance uses it to keep its sessionsDec 10 20:20
MinceRand it's a train wreckDec 10 20:20
MinceRit's like registry except it's much harder to editDec 10 20:20
PetoKrausyeah, entrance is crapDec 10 20:21
PetoKrausit's not developed much, thoughDec 10 20:21
PetoKrausE is getting into pretty much well shape nowDec 10 20:22
PetoKrausraster is doing some nice stuff with it on embeddedDec 10 20:23
schestowitzIs this Google's ActiveX Disaster? < http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/b... > "I remember very well the days in the mid 1990s when it became clear that Microsoft's ActiveX technology, which grew out of OLE, a way for creating compound documents, was essentially the world's greatest browser malware construction kit."Dec 10 20:24
MinceRit's from google and it isn't a search engine => signs point to yesDec 10 20:25
*MinceR knows a pattern when he sees oneDec 10 20:25
twitterGoogleFUDDec 10 20:26
twitterIf it's not from M$, FEAR.Dec 10 20:26
schestowitzHow is GTK controlled by Microsoft? Through Novell/GNOME? They say GNOME controls GTK in practice...Dec 10 20:30
schestowitzhttp://www.desmogblog.com/poznan-un-ac... "After two days of deliberations, the United Nations officials at the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change in Poznan, Poland, agreed to give media accreditation to the DeSmogBlog, the first time in history that the UN has accredited a blog, according to UNFCCC Public Information and Media Assistant Carrie Assheuer."Dec 10 20:37
twitterOK, here's a link to my favorite parts of the Enderle saga http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jo...Dec 10 20:47
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schestowitzThere are some UseFul IdIots[R] at OStatic today, failing to see that Microsoft is attacking open source through EEE tactics.Dec 10 20:49
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GoblinRFDroy are you there?Dec 10 20:54
schestowitzYesDec 10 20:55
GoblinRFDcan I PM you?Dec 10 20:55
schestowitzWhat's up?Dec 10 20:55
schestowitzPublic no good?Dec 10 20:56
GoblinRFDjust need to let you know something.Dec 10 20:56
GoblinRFDactually I suppose its fineDec 10 20:56
GoblinRFDI tell ya hereDec 10 20:56
*schestowitz all earsDec 10 20:56
twitterOffice Depot flunks.  112 Stores and 2200 employees get the ax http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=...Dec 10 20:56
GoblinRFDIve been invited on the Gutsy Geeks radio show.Dec 10 20:56
GoblinRFDhad an email from Mr ModemDec 10 20:57
schestowitzOffice Depot. They wouldn't put Linux on display, would they?Dec 10 20:57
schestowitzModem?Dec 10 20:57
GoblinRFDone of the presentersDec 10 20:57
schestowitzReal name?Dec 10 20:57
GoblinRFDer - standbyDec 10 20:57
schestowitzMr. Modem marries Miss CableDec 10 20:58
GoblinRFDhttp://www.mrmodem.com/Dec 10 20:58
GoblinRFDthats his site.Dec 10 20:58
*schestowitz looksDec 10 20:58
GoblinRFDHes a nice guy, presents the show, pro open source etcDec 10 20:58
schestowitzFox NewsDec 10 20:58
twitterI know someone who bought a laptop at Office Depot, very cheap - Vista Failure.Dec 10 20:58
schestowitzVista failure -> Office Depot failure.Dec 10 20:59
schestowitzThis has a domino effect. OD layoffs... less revenue... less spendings... Dec 10 20:59
schestowitzRMS just posted an urgent call re: bailoutDec 10 20:59
twitter" Office Depot has posted losses or profit declines for the past six quarters as businesses stop buying desk chairs and computers. Its sales and profit margins trail larger rival Staples Inc."Dec 10 21:00
schestowitzGoblinRFD: when will you do the show?Dec 10 21:00
twitterWill have to check out RMS's call.Dec 10 21:00
schestowitzTalk about the SHILLS. :-DDec 10 21:00
GoblinRFDIm just responding now..Dec 10 21:00
GoblinRFDYep the shills.Dec 10 21:01
GoblinRFDand the attack I recieved from themDec 10 21:01
GoblinRFDIve also got a little rant about encouraging the demo scene to LinuxDec 10 21:02
schestowitzWhat attacks?Dec 10 21:02
schestowitzShow us examples.Dec 10 21:02
schestowitzAnd names.. Costa et al?Dec 10 21:02
GoblinRFDnobody I could proveDec 10 21:02
schestowitzDid you get MScientologized?Dec 10 21:03
GoblinRFDits all justDec 10 21:03
GoblinRFDexpletive*expletive*expletive*expletive*expletive* expletive*expletive*expletive*expletive*expletive*Dec 10 21:03
GoblinRFDhundreds of themDec 10 21:03
schestowitzBN just made Linux TodayDec 10 21:03
GoblinRFDbut the strange thing was.....Dec 10 21:03
schestowitzI didn't realise this until a minute ago.Dec 10 21:04
GoblinRFDwhen checking the logs to my blog......Dec 10 21:04
twitterCongrats, got link?Dec 10 21:04
GoblinRFDI found that there were alot of referals to my site that had been initiated from MS emails...Dec 10 21:04
schestowitzNow I know for sure that the editor reads BN (it seemed like it a month ago)Dec 10 21:04
schestowitztwitter: yes, http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php...Dec 10 21:05
schestowitzSurprising as it's not a new articleDec 10 21:05
GoblinRFDas the refer link, took me to an MS page.Dec 10 21:05
schestowitzIt actually made the front page of Slashdot one year ago.Dec 10 21:05
schestowitzMSN?Dec 10 21:05
schestowitzHotmail?Dec 10 21:05
schestowitzJack M. Germain is peddling Microsoft vapourware, which is a tactless thing to do: http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/...Dec 10 21:08
GoblinRFDmsn and hotmailDec 10 21:10
GoblinRFDsorry, Im juggling WOW and IRC at the same time!Dec 10 21:11
GoblinRFDthe wonders of Linux..true multitasking...Dec 10 21:11
GoblinRFDRoy, I think Ive excelled myself, I was going to keep this quiet, but since the calls have been made, I wont...Dec 10 21:12
GoblinRFDIm currently editing and encoding a series of recorded telephone calls I made to sellers of certain proprietary productsDec 10 21:13
GoblinRFDI pose as a buyer, however when I mention Linux/open source, there are some lets say, interesting facts givenDec 10 21:13
GoblinRFDinfact I wont beat around the bush, downright lies, as various salespersons try to push their products onto what they think is a gullable buyerDec 10 21:14
MinceR214002 <@schestowitz> How is GTK controlled by Microsoft? Through Novell/GNOME? They say GNOME controls GTK in practice...Dec 10 21:15
MinceRyesDec 10 21:15
MinceRat least that's what i'm afraid ofDec 10 21:15
MinceR(though frankly even gnome's "let's just copy apple and dumb everything down" is enough of a bad influence)Dec 10 21:15
schestowitzThat part is not too terribleDec 10 21:16
schestowitzKDE does well with 'layering'Dec 10 21:16
schestowitzThey put advanced settings apart and they have lots of "default" buttons in newer versions.Dec 10 21:16
schestowitzOne of the easiest distros out there is Mandriva and it is KDE based.Dec 10 21:17
MinceRgnome and apple don't do 'layering'Dec 10 21:23
MinceRthey do removal of featuresDec 10 21:23
schestowitzAnother Microsoft Bug Revealed on Huge Patch Day < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155253/... > Cycle repeatsDec 10 21:23
schestowitzYes, I know, MinceR Dec 10 21:23
schestowitzThat's why Linus lost itDec 10 21:23
schestowitzI quite liked how KDE simplified wallpaper slideshows (A LOT) without removing any feature of it.Dec 10 21:23
schestowitzSecurity vulnerability found in MS SQL Server 2000 < http://www.heise.de/english/news... >Dec 10 21:27
schestowitz"SEC Consult say Microsoft has been aware of the problem since April this year. Despite the promise of a patch by September, a release date for the patch remains uncertain."Dec 10 21:28
schestowitzneighborlee: Oh, I just got an E-mail notification about some chap called neighborlee leaving a comment in http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/11/16/how-t...Dec 10 21:36
schestowitz"they are not licensed by Microsoft to run anywhere but in SLED. Not in OpenSuSe, not in Ubuntu, not in Fedora, not in Debian, not in Slackware, not in Gentoo, not anywhere but SLED."Dec 10 21:38
schestowitzEnjoy it while it lasts:  World's corals reefs are vanishing, report says < http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/12/10/c... >Dec 10 21:45
GoblinRFDGood article on MSwatch - make your corperate blog believable.Dec 10 21:46
GoblinRFDI think the first tip would be to have no connection with MS.Dec 10 21:46
schestowitz[sarcasm] it's not man-made. it's just natural 'trends', like global warming.Dec 10 21:46
schestowitzWilcox?Dec 10 21:46
schestowitzI don't want to visit it.Dec 10 21:46
schestowitz"I'm a huge fan of guerrilla marketing." -- Joe Wilcox, Microsoft FanDec 10 21:47
GoblinRFDyeahDec 10 21:47
schestowitzThis lousy character advocates fake blogs.Dec 10 21:47
schestowitzWhat a lowlife, with all due repsectDec 10 21:47
GoblinRFDIm still undecided about Joe...I think its the only subject we disagree on....!Dec 10 21:47
schestowitzJames Plamondon: Microsoft Guerrilla < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/15/micro... >Dec 10 21:48
GoblinRFDsome of his articles have been very anti-ms, and I feel that others he writes to provoke negative feedback about MS.Dec 10 21:48
GoblinRFDHe certainly winds Andre Da Co$ta up.Dec 10 21:49
schestowitzGoblinRFD: he usually spread the Microsoft party lineDec 10 21:49
GoblinRFDagreed.Dec 10 21:49
schestowitzBefore WW2 which gave the term a bad connotation, this used to be openly called propagandaDec 10 21:49
GoblinRFDbut then he does balance occasssionalyDec 10 21:49
schestowitzAnd that's just what he and others are doing to defend the emperorDec 10 21:49
schestowitzThey challenge NOTHINGDec 10 21:49
GoblinRFDmmmDec 10 21:49
schestowitzIf the press release says Microsoft make money, then it must be true (Microsoft's fraudelent PR says so)Dec 10 21:50
GoblinRFDmany of the anti-ms posters say the same as you.Dec 10 21:50
schestowitzThose who don't look for answers are being HANDED  OVER answers.Dec 10 21:50
schestowitzAnd that's just being dangerously gullible.Dec 10 21:50
GoblinRFDi think I just dont want to believe that someone would go to so much trouble to deceiveDec 10 21:50
schestowitzHow many outlets still describe one of the world's biggest thieves as a "philanthropist". There are other examples from historyDec 10 21:51
schestowitzI don't know about Rothschild and Rockefeller, but they must have had lots of money for self-glorification and revisionism.Dec 10 21:51
schestowitzWhat is "anti-MS"?Dec 10 21:51
schestowitzIt's a bad labelDec 10 21:52
GoblinRFDyep my badDec 10 21:52
schestowitzEarlier today I saw the phrase "Novell haters" (or something like that)Dec 10 21:52
schestowitzI don't even hate NovellDec 10 21:52
schestowitzI think that for Free software to win Novell just needs to be starved financially, not rewarded.Dec 10 21:52
GoblinRFDI became anti-ms, as I believe the people who seek to promote it on the net, do so without moral or ethical values.Dec 10 21:52
schestowitzMaybe it can snap ouf of Microsoft's back end.Dec 10 21:52
schestowitzanti-MS is used as a label to put red marks on some peopleDec 10 21:53
schestowitzEven the very polite critics.Dec 10 21:53
schestowitzMicrosoft tried this against Judge Jackson, IIRCDec 10 21:53
schestowitzBecuase he said the truth and called them criminalsDec 10 21:53
schestowitzThe truth hurts sometimes.Dec 10 21:53
GoblinRFDyeah, I think youre right, Ill change my wording to anti-dishonesty...Dec 10 21:54
GoblinRFDI supposed its because Ive been called it so many times now.Dec 10 21:55
schestowitzHold on.Dec 10 21:55
schestowitzI'll give you some writings about this.Dec 10 21:55
schestowitzI had this argument last year with a journalist who lives on a high horseDec 10 21:55
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/01...Dec 10 21:56
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/03/how...Dec 10 21:56
GoblinRFDreading now.Dec 10 21:56
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/23/th...Dec 10 21:56
schestowitzLast one (but there are several more): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/26/ste...Dec 10 21:56
GoblinRFDwow,  I never realized you had so much bother in the past...Dec 10 22:01
GoblinRFDits a clever tactic.  you get discredited and then can be called a conspiracy theorist...Dec 10 22:01
schestowitzThey pass those labels aroundDec 10 22:02
GoblinRFDthis is why Im so careful about what I say about my email attack.Dec 10 22:02
GoblinRFDI dont want to sound as if Im nuts.sDec 10 22:02
GoblinRFDI cant prove anything, and at the end of the day it could be just a random attack, or by someone out of devilment.Dec 10 22:03
schestowitzhttp://www.forbes.com/forbes/20...Dec 10 22:03
schestowitz(from mouthpiece Daniel Lyons)Dec 10 22:03
schestowitz"SCO executives call Groklaw a "mouthpiece"for IBM, though IBM says it isn't involved with Jones in any way."Dec 10 22:03
GoblinRFDthats why, unlike you Roy, I could never be as brave and give my real name out.  I hide behind a handle (and a common one)Dec 10 22:03
schestowitzDid you see the easrlier discussion abotu Enderle?Dec 10 22:03
schestowitzHe is a shill with solid proofDec 10 22:04
schestowitzSame with Maureen O'Gara. E-mails shown at the court...Dec 10 22:04
twitterGoblinRFD:  It could be a random attack, or you could be just one of the many smeared and harassed by M$.  http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/17/m...Dec 10 22:04
schestowitzThey are shown to be collaborating with Mcirosoft on publicationsDec 10 22:04
twitterGot a link to the attack?Dec 10 22:04
schestowitzPart of this spiel is boosting SCO's lawsuits against LinuxDec 10 22:04
schestowitzWhich attacks?Dec 10 22:04
GoblinRFDno, it was in two parts......Dec 10 22:04
twitterGoblin's email attack.Dec 10 22:05
GoblinRFDfirstly a massive amount of junk emails with expletives in it,Dec 10 22:05
schestowitzThat's what I want to see.Dec 10 22:05
schestowitzHelios just showed the world that teacher abuseDec 10 22:05
GoblinRFDok, Ill copy you some over.Dec 10 22:05
schestowitzit made Slashdot's FPDec 10 22:05
GoblinRFDalso.....Dec 10 22:05
GoblinRFDthere were loads of referals from.....standby......Dec 10 22:05
twitterOh, Goblin is Helios?Dec 10 22:05
schestowitzNoDec 10 22:05
schestowitzHelios=Ken StarksDec 10 22:05
schestowitzGoblinRFD=openbyteDec 10 22:06
schestowitzKen was the motor behind Tux500Dec 10 22:06
twitteroh.  what's openbyte?Dec 10 22:06
GoblinRFDhttp://login.live.com/login.srf?wa=ws...Dec 10 22:07
GoblinRFDon my siteDec 10 22:07
schestowitzBTW, the interview with OIN I'll hopefulyl publish tomorrowDec 10 22:08
GoblinRFD@twitter, Openbytes is my little blog.Dec 10 22:08
schestowitz"One Windows Live ID gets you into Hotmail, Messenger, Xbox LIVE — and other places you see"Dec 10 22:08
schestowitzMicrosoft universe. If you're not into Live or XBox, you're no registered humanDec 10 22:09
GoblinRFDthis was the email that sent alot of the mail:Dec 10 22:10
GoblinRFDibrahimama005@yahoo.caDec 10 22:10
GoblinRFDand this one:Dec 10 22:10
GoblinRFDpfualjjwag@americanapparel.netDec 10 22:11
GoblinRFDand also this one:Dec 10 22:12
GoblinRFDvbuxu@skolekom.dkDec 10 22:12
GoblinRFDsome of it was vulgar, others were just junk it all happened on the day I mentioned a shiller by name on my siteDec 10 22:13
GoblinRFDCoincidence?  Ill have to say yes, otherwise I'll be written off as a madman!Dec 10 22:15
schestowitzAstonishing example of what FOSS software is up against: Teacher confiscates Linux CDs [...] 'So, the teacher doesn't understand the concept of free software and scuttles attempts by students to learn about it. Wonderful! Pure and unadulterated ignorance at work in the school system." < http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6052 >Dec 10 22:18
schestowitzWhat sort of E-mails.Dec 10 22:18
schestowitzPaste snippetsDec 10 22:18
GoblinRFDsorry,Dec 10 22:25
GoblinRFDback now.Dec 10 22:25
GoblinRFDsmoke breakDec 10 22:25
schestowitzBooks 'uv Dubya: http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=...Dec 10 22:25
GoblinRFDok, ill paste some..Dec 10 22:25
GoblinRFDare you sure you want it uncensored?Dec 10 22:26
twittersure, why not?Dec 10 22:27
GoblinRFDporn starlets have found the spot...the spot that makes their pussies gush with female ejaculate. DonÂ’t get too close to your screen...unless you want to get soaked.Dec 10 22:27
GoblinRFDsorry folks.Dec 10 22:27
twitterOk, I get the ideaDec 10 22:27
schestowitzTerrorism-Related Fear and Avoidance Behavior in a Multiethnic Urban Population < http://www.ajph.org/cgi/conten... >Dec 10 22:27
neighborleeschestowitz, you just got an email notif ???Dec 10 22:27
schestowitzSchneier points to it... could also be related to FUD, I guess.Dec 10 22:28
schestowitzYesDec 10 22:28
neighborleeschestowitz, I seriusly swear you are up to no good roflDec 10 22:28
schestowitzI hit the subs tickboxDec 10 22:28
neighborleelolDec 10 22:28
GoblinRFDit gets alot worse than that.  I left out the really offensive bits.Dec 10 22:28
schestowitzGoblinRFD: this seems like SPAMDec 10 22:28
GoblinRFDyeah, it was just it was 1 hour after my post and the hits from that linkDec 10 22:29
schestowitzDoes it mention names?Dec 10 22:29
GoblinRFDno.Dec 10 22:29
schestowitzBN gets crazy shit (literally) all the time.Dec 10 22:29
schestowitzI'll go purge some spam and give examples as I go along.Dec 10 22:30
schestowitz191 spam since the morning.Dec 10 22:30
schestowitz#1: "Mother son incest pictures. Teen incest. Mother and son incest…."Dec 10 22:30
GoblinRFDI just wondered if someone signed me up for it then.....Dec 10 22:30
schestowitz#2: "Oxycontin…"Dec 10 22:30
GoblinRFDout of devilment.Dec 10 22:30
GoblinRFDthe problem was, my wife was very unimpressed, and it didnt go into my spam folder.Dec 10 22:31
schestowitzIt's  a funny experience going through spamDec 10 22:31
neighborleeschestowitz, woah alot of spam indeed...good sign that your helping make a difference ;)Dec 10 22:31
schestowitzYou need some time to get your mental state recalibrated afterwardsDec 10 22:31
GoblinRFDand also there was no link to buy anything, so I dont see how it could be advertising anything.Dec 10 22:31
schestowitzIt's not like.... let's write about Mono.. spam-check... shit, incest, sex, viagra.. .. OK, back to monoDec 10 22:32
neighborleeyup ;)Dec 10 22:32
GoblinRFDinfact no links at all, just a block of obsene text.Dec 10 22:32
neighborleeschestowitz, we all bear crosses of some sort ;)Dec 10 22:32
twitter"schestowitz: It's not like.... let's write about Mono.. spam-check... shit, incest, sex, viagra.. .. OK, back to mono" sounds like /.Dec 10 22:33
twitterThey do that on purpose.Dec 10 22:33
schestowitzOk, done.Dec 10 22:34
schestowitzPoison the crowdDec 10 22:34
schestowitzCrowd-controlDec 10 22:34
schestowitzGassing and tear-gassingDec 10 22:35
schestowitzAlso, it's means of putting Slashdot on filters (physical or mental)Dec 10 22:35
schestowitzI have bad experience linking on some 'bad' links there... planted by the creatures.Dec 10 22:35
GoblinRFDRoy, found you mentioned on this link:Dec 10 22:36
GoblinRFDhttp://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008...Dec 10 22:36
schestowitzI also heard people speak about how "crazy" the site is... of course, because all kinds of anti-Blacks and pornographic stuff gets posted there.Dec 10 22:36
schestowitzLibelDec 10 22:36
schestowitzGotta read this: Mumbai Terrorists Used Google Earth, Boats, Food < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive... >Dec 10 22:37
twitterBad links.  My wife just had malware pop up out of her hotmail.  Just for fun, I rode it as far as it would go.Dec 10 22:37
schestowitzThey named some other technologies to vilifyDec 10 22:37
twitter-break- GoogleFUD.Dec 10 22:37
schestowitz"Of course the terrorists used Google Earth. They also used boats, and ate at restaurants. Don't even get me started about the fact that they breathed air and drank water."Dec 10 22:37
twitterI hear they don't use toilets though.Dec 10 22:38
schestowitz"That's true for all aspects of human infrastructure. Yes, the bad guys use it: bank robbers use cars to get away, drug smugglers use radios to communicate, child pornographers use e-mail. But the good guys use it, too, and the good uses far outweigh the bad uses."Dec 10 22:38
schestowitztwitter: must be why terrorists are so full of s*it thenDec 10 22:38
twitterwell, it's one useful tool that terrorist won't use.  they would rather shit on you, your email, your blog ...Dec 10 22:39
schestowitzClassic example: Controversial Wikipedia Ban Lifted by U.K. Watchdog Group < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155229/... >Dec 10 22:39
schestowitzOne person uploads an album cover. Millions people suffer as a result.Dec 10 22:39
schestowitzIt's time to overthrow some gullible people who only look fo rt excuses to shut down innovative things.Dec 10 22:40
twitterYeah, I was lured into looking at a Scorpions CD cover.  Torture.Dec 10 22:40
schestowitzhttp://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/... "It's good that the IWF has understood what is sometimes called the “Streisand Effect” - that trying to stop people from accessing something online has precisely the opposite effect."Dec 10 22:40
schestowitzLike many others, because of these idiots at IWF, I too was horrified to *gasp* see that image in the Wikinews article, which was the first that came up looking for this news ( benJIman talked about it)Dec 10 22:41
schestowitzThis whole thing reminds me of the attitude of those who say that the Big Criminals are left aside while small things are taken care of.Dec 10 22:42
schestowitzShoplifters are taken to prison while Big Criminals (white-collar crimes) are permitted to do ANYTHING they want.Dec 10 22:43
schestowitzThe biggest financial damage (by far) comes from the Big Criminals. Look up "bailout" for details.Dec 10 22:43
GoblinRFDAnother example of Windows malware, hot of the press: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/de...Dec 10 22:47
schestowitzThere are many 0days todayDec 10 22:48
twitterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus noted the "Streisand Effect" said censorship makes for a lot of interest but the real thing of importance is merit.  Without merit, works vanish quickly.Dec 10 22:48
schestowitzLandgrab For Ownership Of Library Catalog Data <  http://techdirt.com/articles/200812... > (very good blog BTW)Dec 10 22:50
schestowitzProject called hello: hello 2.4 available < http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/for... >Dec 10 22:51
schestowitzhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lD3N7RPhIo8Dec 10 22:56
GoblinRFDNew episode of Linux Outlaws! - Ep 67!Dec 10 23:06
MinceRgnDec 10 23:17
GoblinRFDgnDec 10 23:17
schestowitzOk, I'm backDec 10 23:18
schestowitzGoblinRFD: yes, caught that earlierDec 10 23:18
GoblinRFDI was refered the link by a commenter on my siteDec 10 23:30
GoblinRFDin the latest lord of the shills.Dec 10 23:31
GoblinRFDOh.Dec 10 23:31
GoblinRFDhang on.Dec 10 23:31
GoblinRFDI thought you were talking about  http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/...Dec 10 23:31
GoblinRFDIn regards to Linux Outlaws, Im listening at the moment.Dec 10 23:32
schestowitzLots of videos in BN's front page ATM: http://boycottnovell.com/Dec 10 23:38
schestowitzBe careful on clicking shill linksDec 10 23:39
schestowitzThey can harvest IPsDec 10 23:39
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GoblinRFDlooking now...Dec 10 23:41
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With 9 Mentions of Azure In Its Latest Blog Post, Canonical is Again Promoting Microsoft and Intel Vendor Lock-in, Surveillance, Back Doors, Considerable Power Waste, and Defects That Cannot be Fixed
Microsoft did not even have to buy Canonical (for Canonical to act like it happened)
Links 28/03/2024: GAFAM Replacing Full-Time Workers With Interns Now
Links for the day
Consent & Debian's illegitimate constitution
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
The Time Our Server Host Died in a Car Accident
If Debian has internal problems, then they need to be illuminated and then tackled, at the very least in order to ensure we do not end up with "Deadian"
China's New 'IT' Rules Are a Massive Headache for Microsoft
On the issue of China we're neutral except when it comes to human rights issues
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 27, 2024
IRC logs for Wednesday, March 27, 2024
WeMakeFedora.org: harassment decision, victory for volunteers and Fedora Foundations
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
Links 27/03/2024: Terrorism Grows in Africa, Unemployment in Finland Rose Sharply in a Year, Chinese Aggression Escalates
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Links 27/03/2024: Ericsson and Tencent Layoffs
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Amid Online Reports of XBox Sales Collapsing, Mass Layoffs in More Teams, and Windows Making Things Worse (Admission of Losses, Rumours About XBox Canceled as a Hardware Unit)...
Windows has loads of issues, also as a gaming platform
Links 27/03/2024: BBC Resorts to CG Cruft, Akamai Blocking Blunders in Piracy Shield
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Android Approaches 90% of the Operating Systems Market in Chad (Windows Down From 99.5% 15 Years Ago to Just 2.5% Right Now)
Windows is down to about 2% on the Web-connected client side as measured by statCounter
Sainsbury's: Let Them Eat Yoghurts (and Microsoft Downtimes When They Need Proper Food)
a social control media 'scandal' this week
IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 26, 2024
IRC logs for Tuesday, March 26, 2024
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
Windows/Client at Microsoft Falling Sharply (Well Over 10% Decline Every Quarter), So For His Next Trick the Ponzi in Chief Merges Units, Spices Everything Up With "AI"
Hiding the steep decline of Windows/Client at Microsoft?
Free technology in housing and construction
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
We Need Open Standards With Free Software Implementations, Not "Interoperability" Alone
Sadly we're confronting misguided managers and a bunch of clowns trying to herd us all - sometimes without consent - into "clown computing"
Microsoft's Collapse in the Web Server Space Continued This Month
Microsoft is the "2%", just like Windows in some countries
Links 26/03/2024: Inflation Problems, Strikes in Finland
Links for the day
Gemini Links 26/03/2024: Losing Children, Carbon Tax Discussed
Links for the day
Mark Shuttleworth resigns from Debian: volunteer suicide and Albania questions unanswered, mass resignations continue
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
Links 26/03/2024: 6,000 Layoffs at Dell, Microsoft “XBox is in Real Trouble as a Hardware Manufacturer”
Links for the day
Gemini Links 26/03/2024: Microsofters Still Trying to 'Extend' Gemini Protocol
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Look What IBM's Red Hat is Turning CentOS Into
For 17 years our site ran on CentOS. Thankfully we're done with that...
The Julian Paul Assange Verdict: The High Court Has Granted Assange Leave to Appeal Extradition to the United States, Decision Adjourned to May 20th Pending Assurances
The decision is out
The Microsoft and Apple Antitrust Issues Have Some But Not Many Commonalities
gist of the comparison to Microsoft
ZDNet, Sponsored by Microsoft for Paid-for Propaganda (in 'Article' Clothing), Has Added Pop-Up or Overlay to All Pages, Saying "813 Partners Will Store and Access Information on Your Device"
Avoiding ZDNet may become imperative given what it has turned into
Julian Assange Verdict 3 Hours Away
Their decision is due to be published at 1030 GMT
People Who Cover Suicide Aren't Suicidal
Assange didn't just "deteriorate". This deterioration was involuntary and very much imposed upon him.
Overworking Kills
The body usually (but not always) knows best
Former Red Hat Chief (CEO), Who Decided to Leave the Company Earlier This Month, Talks About "Cloud Company Red Hat" to CNBC
shows a lack of foresight and dependence on buzzwords
IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 25, 2024
IRC logs for Monday, March 25, 2024
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
Discord Does Not Make Money, It's Spying on People and Selling Data/Control (38% is Allegedly Controlled by the Communist Party of China)
a considerable share exists
In At Least Two Nations Windows is Now Measured at 2% "Market Share" (Microsoft Really Does Not Want People to Notice That)
Ignore the mindless "AI"-washing
Internet Relay Chat (IRC) Still Has Hundreds of Thousands of Simultaneously-Online Unique Users
The scale of IRC