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schestowitzNo luv for KDE4 :-( http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2008/12/24/checki...Dec 24 00:02
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Tallkenschestowitz: kde4? he was mostly bashing MandrivaDec 24 00:20
Tallkenthough he should've known sda5 is a logical partitionDec 24 00:20
schestowitzkde4 is blamed at the end.Dec 24 00:21
schestowitzI think he's quite new to Linux (he was here in IRC on Sunday, I think), so partitioning might be confusing.Dec 24 00:22
Tallkenhe has a Gentoo install....Dec 24 00:23
Tallkenbut ok I suppose it could be possiblDec 24 00:23
Tallkenfollowed the handbookDec 24 00:23
Tallkenand it's still learning those detailsDec 24 00:23
schestowitzI think he tried Gentoo last week or a fortnight ago. I don't know him, but we spoke on IRC here.Dec 24 00:25
Tallkenwell, if he uses Gentoo he must be a cool guy xDDec 24 00:27
Tallkenwell, on my way to bed, cya! []Dec 24 00:27
schestowitzI'll stick around. It's only 1AMDec 24 00:28
Tallkenyesterday went to bed at 4AMDec 24 00:42
Tallkenthe day before at 2AMDec 24 00:42
Tallkenso, i better start having a decent bed time :pDec 24 00:42
TallkencyaDec 24 00:42
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dsmith_helloDec 24 05:26
dsmith_http://www.itwire.com/content/vie...Dec 24 05:26
dsmith_not sure if anyone has seen thisDec 24 05:26
dsmith_interesting to sayDec 24 05:26
dsmith_remove mono, you remove evolution which never happened before. Not that I use evolution, but stillDec 24 05:26
dsmith_http://www.theregister.co.uk/200...Dec 24 05:27
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schestowitzIncentives Align To Create Bubbles < http://techdirt.com/article... >Dec 24 08:37
schestowitzStampede for 'Bush shoe' creates 100 new jobs < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/22/turk... > "Their deployment as a makeshift missile robbed President George Bush of his dignity and landed their owner in jail. But the world's most notorious pair of shoes have yielded an unexpected bonanza for a Turkish shoemaker."Dec 24 08:38
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/22/brazil-... "Twenty years after the killing of Chico Mendes, one of the world's most prominent rainforest defenders, hundreds of human rights and environmental activists still face the threat of assassination in Brazil, a new study claims."Dec 24 08:41
schestowitzPsystar Denies It Conspired Against Apple < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155985/psystar_... > Some think it's related to MSDec 24 08:47
schestowitzhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iVDPxVy7h38Dec 24 09:27
schestowitz"THE New York Times has been sued by the parent company of the Boston Globe, which claims that the outfit has been using online material without permission." < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/15... >Dec 24 10:37
schestowitzWTF is this??/ http://www.mixx.com/users/damonwildercarrDec 24 10:42
schestowitzSeems like there are Microsoft booster in Mixx: http://www.mixx.com/stories/3191325/advanced_b...Dec 24 10:42
schestowitz"Hardly matching the poetic gravitas of the four equestrians, but cringe-worthy all the same: the second most purchased ring tone sold by a popular cell phone service in Croatia is called “Superfart”." < http://radian.org/notebook/2008-12-11 >Dec 24 10:51
schestowitzMadoff investor found dead of possible suicide: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?sid...  Madoff  should do the same to do himself justice.Dec 24 10:58
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...Dec 24 11:02
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locutu5hi allDec 24 11:03
schestowitzHey, locutu5.Dec 24 11:03
schestowitzShane?Dec 24 11:03
locutu5hows thingsDec 24 11:03
locutu5yesDec 24 11:03
locutu5meDec 24 11:03
schestowitzCool.Dec 24 11:03
schestowitzAll well, thank you.Dec 24 11:04
locutu5my normal moniker was takenDec 24 11:04
schestowitzThey stole the reputation :-)Dec 24 11:04
locutu5whats with this epic troll junk?Dec 24 11:04
schestowitzWhere?Dec 24 11:04
locutu5blogbeebeDec 24 11:04
locutu5tuxmachines has a linkDec 24 11:04
schestowitzHe doesn't like us because of things we said in GLDec 24 11:04
locutu5I guessed that :)Dec 24 11:04
locutu5makes him look bad imhoDec 24 11:05
schestowitzOh, I see now... http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/Dec 24 11:05
schestowitzHe supported SCO/Microsoft/MOG spying on PJDec 24 11:05
schestowitzSo I talked about this, dropped his feed and then he lost it.Dec 24 11:05
locutu5hmmmDec 24 11:05
locutu5lolDec 24 11:05
locutu5whats the time at your end?Dec 24 11:06
schestowitz11amDec 24 11:06
locutu53 1/2 hours differenceDec 24 11:06
locutu5you working?Dec 24 11:06
schestowitz1/2??Dec 24 11:06
locutu513:17 hereDec 24 11:07
schestowitzNo, I hardly work. I'm going to do reading today before dinner.Dec 24 11:07
locutu5lucky youDec 24 11:07
schestowitzI like learning stuff. I think of the Ph.D. only as a pedigree thing (I dragged mine on voluntarily, because I can, having finished practical work in 2005/6). There is not much hope over the horizon unless the system is reformed, so I gravitated towards that. It's fun, it's important.Dec 24 11:07
schestowitzSome people still think money, money, money. it's hardmful.Dec 24 11:08
schestowitz*harmfulDec 24 11:08
locutu5all I wish for is a comfortable lifeDec 24 11:08
schestowitzAre you around Istanbul?Dec 24 11:08
locutu5and as much computer goodies I can get my hands onDec 24 11:08
locutu5I am in ankaraDec 24 11:08
schestowitzI was in Lykia (Turkey) in 1999Dec 24 11:08
schestowitzOne of my best vacations ever.Dec 24 11:08
locutu5Real Turkish people are very niceDec 24 11:09
schestowitzBetter than rainy vacations in 'richer' placesDec 24 11:09
locutu5yeaDec 24 11:09
schestowitzYes, I knew a few back then. We got along very well.Dec 24 11:09
locutu5they are good at sniffing opportunities thoughDec 24 11:09
schestowitzOver here, they are portrayed badly along with the "Muslin" stigmaDec 24 11:09
locutu5I knowDec 24 11:10
locutu5sad cause they are no different to you and meDec 24 11:10
schestowitzSome people go by the mediaDec 24 11:10
locutu5as in a bad apple spoils the barrelDec 24 11:10
schestowitzNothing better for uniting people amid misery than to blame "them" (Russia|China|Muslims)Dec 24 11:10
locutu5visa versa here :)Dec 24 11:10
schestowitzHow long have you been there?Dec 24 11:12
locutu5In general I have found them to be no more and no less religious than back home in austral  liaDec 24 11:12
locutu5been here 11 yearsDec 24 11:12
schestowitzReligion is perceived as bad as long as it's a particular religion.Dec 24 11:12
locutu5true. at the core they all teach the same thingDec 24 11:13
schestowitzAs in, Mosque=radical; xmas=holy.Dec 24 11:13
locutu5love thy neighbour etc.etcDec 24 11:13
schestowitzHow's Pardus doing over there?Dec 24 11:13
schestowitzI heard the military deploys it.Dec 24 11:13
locutu5quite goodDec 24 11:13
locutu5them and the governmentDec 24 11:13
schestowitz5000+ machines last yearDec 24 11:13
locutu5I don't use it myself. too newbieDec 24 11:14
schestowitzIf they carry on, the special forces will have to come in and 'liberate' them with BillGDec 24 11:14
locutu5lolDec 24 11:14
locutu5just get him to shake his tushDec 24 11:14
locutu5well must get back to workDec 24 11:15
locutu5nice chatting with youDec 24 11:15
schestowitzYou too.Dec 24 11:15
schestowitzThanks for the headsupDec 24 11:15
locutu5did you know my personal site? www.locutus.usDec 24 11:15
locutu5your welcomeDec 24 11:15
schestowitzYes, I know.Dec 24 11:15
schestowitzI read it tooDec 24 11:15
locutu5:) thanksDec 24 11:16
locutu5bye nowDec 24 11:16
schestowitzCyaDec 24 11:16
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trmancowho is using a 64-bit OS?Dec 24 11:30
trmancoanyone here?Dec 24 11:30
trmancothey could save $180 if they install Linux -> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,...Dec 24 11:32
schestowitzMany servers run 64-bit... they need the RAM.Dec 24 11:35
schestowitzThe same goes for computing in the high-end production level (mostly GNU/Linux in studios)Dec 24 11:35
MinceRhayDec 24 12:04
schestowitzhttp://beranger.org/index.php?page=di... "Less than 5% of the daily visits are from regular readers. Most of the time, people come here from an older forum post somewhere, or from a Google search. Because of my political opinions and strong criticism of everything, I've lost some constant readers in the past."Dec 24 12:05
schestowitzOh no!!!!!!!! http://technocrat.net/Dec 24 12:06
schestowitz"The technocrat.net public discussion site is shut down. This has happened because the site never achieved the ability to financially sustain its editorial staff and system expenses with its revenues."Dec 24 12:06
schestowitzhttp://technocrat.net/d/... "404 - Not Found"Dec 24 12:07
schestowitzArghhh!!!!!!!!! Lots of broken links now.Dec 24 12:07
schestowitz"At the end I faced the decision of asking for donations to keep the site running, or letting it die, and it became clear to me that I'd feel better if it would just die."Dec 24 12:08
schestowitzSo all my stories, comments, links, etc. are just down the s*tter.Dec 24 12:08
schestowitzOh yeah... trust "the cloud"Dec 24 12:09
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schestowitz"Foxconn to lay off 100,000 employees as its export business declined substantially." < http://www.evertiq.com/news... >Dec 24 12:14
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn " Foxconn produces the Mac mini, the iPod and the iPhone for Apple Computer; Intel-branded motherboards for Intel Corp.; various orders for American computer retailers Dell, Inc. and Hewlett Packard; the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 for Sony; the Wii for Nintendo; the Xbox 360 for Microsoft, cell phones for Motorola, and Amazon Kindle. "Dec 24 12:16
schestowitzUS economy shrinks as IMF warns of Great Depression < http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/081223/... >Dec 24 12:17
duglambierHi ! Do you know whan SLED 11 will be released ? I am from France, and I would like to convince ou council to make a smooth switch from MS environment to Open Source environment, with migration from MS Office to OpenOffice first, then Exchange/Outlook to Groupwise, and then LinuxDec 24 12:18
schestowitzHave you considered Mandriva yet?Dec 24 12:18
schestowitz:-) Beranger: "I am more concerned with other aspects of the “net generation”: the lack of ethics. The kids from the “net generation” have a unique goal: to make money. Period. They have zero solidarity, zero compassion, zero social understanding, zero ethics. They just want to be Donald Trump or Bill Gates."Dec 24 12:20
schestowitz"They're born capitalists, but they are too individualists to understand the macroeconomics and the implications of their greed, therefore they'll probably become the grave diggers of the civilized world. Older generations — those responsible for the current crisis — weren't able to understand how they're screwing the whole world, so how could be the “net generation” any better?"Dec 24 12:20
duglambierIn fact, Mandriva is well translated, but the company behind seems to be at the verge to collapse. Moreover, I don't know which software supported by Mandriva will replace Exchange. We need to be reliable since this is the public sector. As the project will take time, we need also a distribution than can be flexible enough to be in a mixed environment (Linux/Windows). My idea will be to replace Novell after 2014Dec 24 12:23
schestowitzNovell is not close to collapse?Dec 24 12:23
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schestowitzAs for Madriva or any other distro for that matter, they are swappable. Nothing is safe now... Microsoft seems likely to lay off 10,000 lackeys next month < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micr... >Dec 24 12:24
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schestowitzHeyDec 24 12:24
schestowitzAs for Madriva or any other distro for that matter, they are swappable. Nothing is safe now... Microsoft seems likely to lay off 10,000 lackeys next month < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/... >Dec 24 12:24
schestowitzDon't look at Linux as a product like SLED.Dec 24 12:25
duglambierokDec 24 12:25
schestowitzIf anything is at risk, it's software that's maintained by one company, such as Windows.Dec 24 12:25
schestowitz(or Netware)Dec 24 12:25
schestowitzJust sent to Perens: "I have so many links to your content at the good site, Technocrat. Is there any way you can at least keep existing content live? Please??"Dec 24 12:43
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schestowitzAdam is still promoting Mandriva. A job so good is one a person would do even for no pay. I hope he'll continue this next year.Dec 24 12:47
schestowitzSome people still don't know that Evolution is simply a Novell product. It's also helping Microsoft and Mono (.NET).Dec 24 13:00
trmancohe could just buy some support from CanonicalDec 24 13:10
trmancoand install UbuntuDec 24 13:10
schestowitzInstead of Microsoft Linux?? Microsoft is a known brand. :-)Dec 24 13:13
trmancoyesDec 24 13:18
schestowitzA reader has just 'advised' me on "upgrading BN .."Dec 24 13:21
schestowitz"You should drop the name, start a new site and allow a select few post articles, and a subscription only comment section. How about a Wiki type service .." I told him what I said before. It's complicated. Google indexing mostly, and links... I never liked the site's name. It's almost embarrassing.Dec 24 13:21
schestowitzWhat I Will do, howveer is what he suggested: "Expand the remit to 'Intellectual Property', the mangling of 'standards' and the corruption of the press and so on ..."Dec 24 13:22
schestowitzAnother doctoral person encouraged me to carry on with this. "One of my role models was the late* Irwin Feerst *who died fighting this corporate greed in 1990."Dec 24 13:23
schestowitzAn hour ago I got an E-mail from the head of the Computer Science department, who wants to meet me. :-)Dec 24 13:23
schestowitzhttp://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?ur... *Reviving  democracy at the IEEE," Dwon, L.Dec 24 13:24
schestowitzTechnology and Society Magazine/, IEEE Volume 11, Issue 2, Summer 1992 Page(s):10 - 17; Digital Object Identifier   10.1109/44.141669Dec 24 13:24
schestowitz"*Summary:*It is argued that since 1963, when the American Institute of Electrical Engineers (AIEE) and the Institute of Radio Engineers (IRE) merged to form the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), autocracy within the organization has increased. Autocratic and bureaucratic characteristics became more pronounced after 1972 when the IEEE-USA Professional Activities Program (PAP) was established."Dec 24 13:25
schestowitz"The ways in which single-candidate ballots, approval voting, the IEEE Assembly, and communication control contribute to a situation in which volunteers who perform professionally, but contrary to the establishment's wishes, are ignored, censored, fired, or ostracized are discussed. The consequences of what transpired in the IEEE since 1963 and recommendations of actions to overturn the deeply rooted selected entrenched hierarchy aDec 24 13:25
schestowitzre outlined."Dec 24 13:25
schestowitz(Unless one is a IEEE member, this 8 page document costs $29.00) *From the IEEE website search, this additional excerpt is provided, "Mr. *Irwin Feerst *died in. 1990. To. some members, he was a ray of hope that. some day PAP might be controlled by owner-. members not SEH. *...Dec 24 13:26
trmanco:)Dec 24 13:27
schestowitz"The Hidden Dynamics of the Great American Scientific Enterprise.. 10 Findings from an Irreverent, Exhaustive Exploration of the Scandalous, the Outrageous, the Ridiculous, the Wasteful, and, Yes, Much Good, in Scientific Research"Dec 24 13:27
schestowitzby Daniel S. Greenberg, author of /Science, Money, and Politics: Political Triumph and Ethical ErosionDec 24 13:27
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schestowitzIt all comes together now now that science is collapsing under a bubble. I was in Arlington in 2006 to present my work at an IEEE conference. It's a nice place, but conferences will never be the same. Many are canceled.Dec 24 13:28
schestowitzI also got this, which is truthful: ""But doesn't the U.S. face a serious shortage of scientists and engineers?* The alarmists of scientific decline and neglect have been proclaiming that danger for 40 years. The truth, however, is that Ph.D.'s are in oversupply in many fields, unable to find jobs suitable to their training. In the biomedical sciences, Ph.D. production far exceeds job openings.""Dec 24 13:29
schestowitz"One result is the growing practice of serial post-doctoral appointments€­a low-wage "holding pattern" for surplus Ph.D.'s. For sound economic reasons, increasing numbers of American students are shunning scientific training and the questionable opportunity to serve as scientific stoop labor for grant-laden professors."Dec 24 13:29
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trmancoschestowitz, how can I convert swf to ogg?Dec 24 13:56
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Omar87Hi all.Dec 24 14:00
trmancoHiDec 24 14:04
schestowitzHey.Dec 24 14:05
schestowitztrmanco: do you have the FLA?Dec 24 14:05
trmanconopDec 24 14:05
schestowitzCan you make it?Dec 24 14:05
MinceRFront Line Assembly?Dec 24 14:06
schestowitzSWF is proprietary junk, like FLADec 24 14:06
MinceRoh, that FLADec 24 14:06
schestowitz:-)Dec 24 14:06
trmancooh wellDec 24 14:06
trmancohttp://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253Dec 24 14:06
trmancoI just wanted to post an ogg on my blogDec 24 14:06
trmancowith this swfDec 24 14:07
schestowitzGet the flv of the videoDec 24 14:08
schestowitzYou can't covert binary mesh of objects and stuff (Flash blobs) to a stream of just video.Dec 24 14:08
schestowitz"Certain elements of the community that developed here, unfortunately, creep me out" 00 Bruce PerensDec 24 14:10
schestowitz"That's a great pity, that's two down," someone tells me. "Recalling what happened elsewhere, I don't know if I want to attract the attention. Also, there are so many blogs out there it's hard to get hits. And all I got for my previous efforts was abuse and ABSOLUTELY NO SUPPORT from the so-called Linux enthusiasts."Dec 24 14:11
schestowitzFfaced the decision of asking for donations to keep the site running, or letting it die, and it became clear to me that I'd feel better if it would just die." -- Bruce PerensDec 24 14:11
schestowitz*LOL* ""slashdot is a steaming pile of inane comments, mod trolling and propaganda for CORPOR~1""Dec 24 14:11
MinceRsome of the inane comments are still worth it sometimes :)Dec 24 14:12
schestowitzGot an example?Dec 24 14:20
MinceRhttp://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid...Dec 24 14:24
MinceRhttp://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?si...Dec 24 14:24
MinceRhttp://it.slashdot.org/comments...Dec 24 14:24
schestowitzhttp://blogs.sun.com/javafx/entry/...Dec 24 14:26
MinceRlol, they say they love linuxDec 24 14:27
MinceRyes, i can see how much sun loves linuxDec 24 14:27
schestowitzFunny (/.)Dec 24 14:28
MinceRand they're actively working on it! (just like epic is actively working on ut3, right?)Dec 24 14:28
schestowitzI was among those complaining (in Digg's front page)Dec 24 14:29
MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/521/Dec 24 14:29
schestowitzut3 is the next Duke Nuken Forever.Dec 24 14:29
MinceRi suspect DNF will run on linux natively before ut3 willDec 24 14:29
schestowitzI bet many games bite the dust nowDec 24 14:31
schestowitzStudios are falling down.Dec 24 14:31
schestowitz"Wow, I didn't even know Linux and Solaris had a GUI !"Dec 24 14:32
schestowitz"Plain old lies!  Posted by whoa on December 05, 2008 at 03:30 AM PST "Dec 24 14:33
schestowitzOops. Duken [sic] typo in their blogDec 24 14:34
Omar87schestowitz: I need your consultation in something.Dec 24 14:52
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schestowitzI'm glad you come here to ask. :-Dec 24 14:55
Omar87schestowitz: :-)Dec 24 14:57
Omar87schestowitz: There's an ancient game that was release in 1986 for Comodore 64 and ZXSpectrum and the AmtradCPC platforms.Dec 24 15:00
Omar87It's called "The Trap Door".Dec 24 15:00
Omar87Now, I'm planning to resurrect this game using Python and Pygame, and placing it under GPLv3.Dec 24 15:02
Omar87So, the question is, do you think I might get sued over that?Dec 24 15:02
schestowitzSome game makers harass copycats.Dec 24 15:04
schestowitzRisk versus a Google Maps copycatDec 24 15:04
schestowitzScrabble versus that Facebook app, IIRC..Dec 24 15:05
schestowitzGuitar HeroDec 24 15:05
schestowitzThere are other examples I can think of, even Solitaire.Dec 24 15:05
Omar87mhmm.Dec 24 15:05
schestowitzThe first and second examples evoked C&D... the latter: lawsuits.Dec 24 15:06
Omar87But, as far as I know, I might very well, be the only one in the world think of reviving this game, lol. :)Dec 24 15:06
Omar87thinking*Dec 24 15:06
schestowitzThese days, passing the ball to the nearest player in socccer is a patented idea too (Konami, I think)Dec 24 15:06
schestowitzLet me get you more links.Dec 24 15:07
Omar87Oh man...Dec 24 15:07
Omar87Patents are evil.Dec 24 15:07
Omar87brb.Dec 24 15:07
schestowitzhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/...Dec 24 15:08
schestowitzhttp://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-gam...Dec 24 15:08
Omar87http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trap_Door_(g...Dec 24 15:10
Omar87Here is the game I was talking about.Dec 24 15:10
Omar87Thanks.Dec 24 15:10
schestowitzI've just had this really annoying discussion in LXerDec 24 15:12
schestowitzPeople are tamed to respect Intel, so for me to call them  "criminal" requires some evidence. So I did that.Dec 24 15:12
schestowitzDespite the likes of Intel controlling the press, alternative media has some info that's factual.Dec 24 15:12
schestowitzIt came about because of the appointment of Cox, but.. it's not about employees!! It's about the management of this crooked operation.Dec 24 15:13
schestowitzAs Carla put it at the time in http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l...Dec 24 15:13
schestowitz"FOSS keeps people honest. That’s the #1 reason there is such strong, well-funded opposition to it. Honesty is Kryptonite to anyone who makes their living peddling lies. The big lie that gets my goat every time is these big tech companies that continually boast of their innovation. All they innovate are stagnation and barriers to innovation"Dec 24 15:13
schestowitz“The poster child for this is the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child). Whatever you may think of OLPC itself, it spawned the netbook revolution. All those titans of industry have had the resources since forever to invent the netbook on their own. They all badmouthed and undermined OLPC. Now they can’t crank out their own OLPC ripoffs fast enough."Dec 24 15:13
schestowitzhttp://tinyurl.com/5vfvjs < “EX-INTEL ENGINEER CHARGED IN FRAUD ” >Dec 24 15:14
schestowitzThat 1999 settlement: FTC chief has antitrust plate full. < http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2... > <  http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu... >Dec 24 15:14
schestowitz“In that suit, Intel has denied Intergraph’s accusations of fraud, theft of trade secrets and anticompetitive conduct.” < http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?... >Dec 24 15:15
schestowitz”Intel eliminates salary allowances to stop fraud […] The Times of India had reported in September last year that the company was conducting a serious investigation into malpractices related to allowance claims, resulting in the exit of several hundred employees.” http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...Dec 24 15:15
schestowitzSecurities fraud  (I know there was a recent 1-billion-dollar suit for their bribes with Dell) < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/... >; Lenovo got financial help from Intel, claim  < http://www.theinquirer.net/default.... >; Negroponte says Intel should be “ashamed of itself” < http://www.tDec 24 15:16
schestowitzheinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39733 > Dec 24 15:16
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/default.as... http://charbax.com/2008/01/0... Intel an "open source fraud": < http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/0... > < http://kerneltrap.org/node/7184 >Dec 24 15:17
schestowitz Former Intel employee admits to computer fraud < http://news.cnet.com/Former-Intel-em... >Dec 24 15:18
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schestowitzNovell just had a MASSIVE loss.Dec 24 15:46
trmanco$3.52Dec 24 15:47
schestowitzhttp://weblog.infoworld.com/virtualizatio...Dec 24 15:47
schestowitzHe's OTUDec 24 15:47
trmancoNovell shares fell from $6.46 to $3.54 just this yearDec 24 15:53
schestowitzIt was close to $8 at one point, targets set this year to $7.5Dec 24 15:55
schestowitzBut the problem is central. It's like a pyramid scheme deep inside Wall Street (another apparent suicide reported yesterday.. of the second-richest lady). They broke the system.Dec 24 15:57
trmancowell, looks lie USA is up to face another stock crashDec 24 16:00
schestowitzyesterday's news: US economy shrinks as IMF warns of Great Depression < http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/081223... >Dec 24 16:01
schestowitzThen comes tor looting, AKA "bailout". Let me find a Nader video for you.Dec 24 16:01
schestowitzGot it. Watch this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v...Dec 24 16:01
*trmanco watchesDec 24 16:02
neighborleeschestowitz, no great surprise..many are  very angry over  the banking bailout and no accoutability whatsoeverDec 24 16:05
schestowitzThey should say "no" to bailout... and hunger to death...Dec 24 16:05
schestowitz /sracasmDec 24 16:06
neighborlee:)Dec 24 16:06
schestowitzThe decision was made alone by the 'elites'......... "we were greedy... we need to save ourselves"Dec 24 16:06
schestowitzLook at Microsoft cooking the books to meet investor's expectations (an insider blew the whistle on them).Dec 24 16:07
MinceRhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php...Dec 24 16:17
MinceRfinally kwin isn't the only wm that can work both with and without compositingDec 24 16:17
trmancoDecember 2008 Web Server Survey: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/200...Dec 24 16:28
trmancoapache shines againDec 24 16:28
trmanco"Apache shows the largest growth this month, gaining a further 2.47 million sites."Dec 24 16:29
schestowitzMyths-filled IDG rubbish: http://tech.yahoo.com/news/infoworld/...Dec 24 16:31
schestowitz"The more technically inclined may be attracted to Linux [...] user interfaces that require active participation to get work done[..] "Dec 24 16:32
trmancoFuzzing TraceMonkey: http://www.squarefree.com/2008/1...Dec 24 16:32
schestowitzDid they check, or did their grandmother ship (Redmond) tell them this through Enderle and the grape vine ($$$)?Dec 24 16:32
trmancolimited hardware compatibility?Dec 24 16:33
schestowitzThat's the 'consensus' in IDGDec 24 16:35
Omar87schestowitz: I'm starting to regret the moment I decided to join the IEEE.Dec 24 16:35
schestowitzIDC@home$ own money Microsoft Dec 24 16:35
schestowitzIEEE... did you see my earlier remarks about it?Dec 24 16:36
schestowitzhttp://www.freelists.org/post/gnulab-mesce/...Dec 24 16:36
Omar87schestowitz: Please enlighten me.Dec 24 16:36
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schestowitzOmar87: I think you were absent when I wrote this (today in the morning)Dec 24 16:36
MinceRis 'limited hardware compatibility' like the way winxp handles sata? :>Dec 24 16:37
schestowitzIt was half an hour before you came.Dec 24 16:37
schestowitzHere's the text. http://pastebin.com/m410303c5Dec 24 16:38
trmancoMinceR, I would just like to see hardware without those installation cds they come withDec 24 16:39
trmancoand like this we can compare compatibility between that 4 GB Vista mess and for example a 700 MB UbuntuDec 24 16:40
Omar87schestowitz: That would be great.Dec 24 16:41
Omar87Plus, changing the name of the site would be great too, if possible.Dec 24 16:42
Omar87Make it more generic that Boycotting Novell.Dec 24 16:42
Omar87than*Dec 24 16:42
Omar87Because ya know, Novell isn't the only threat to FOSS.Dec 24 16:42
Omar87By the way, looking at the IRC logs, what obondoo had said was true.Dec 24 16:47
schestowitzOmar87: someone wrote today to say "From my scratching with Wikipedia, you just create a new article and the system indexes it for you. I'm sure there are loads of scripts out there. Or even an OSS content management system. Your 'stuff' is getting lost in the noise ..." it's more complex than that.Dec 24 16:47
Omar87It doesn't really need to be a wiki, in my opinion.Dec 24 16:50
MinceRtrmanco: :)Dec 24 16:54
schestowitzBut Vista has nice wallpapers. :-)Dec 24 16:55
schestowitzAnd some broken binaries 'around' themDec 24 16:55
trmancohttp://i40.tinypic.com/xkneae.jpegDec 24 16:56
MinceRlolDec 24 17:02
schestowitzhttp://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wi...Dec 24 17:41
schestowitzPretty (IMAGES): http://www.tux-planet.fr/25-best-linux-...Dec 24 17:54
neighborleeman some of those would drive me insane LOL... I prefer a nice tidy clean desktop ;)Dec 24 17:55
schestowitzI knocked awn and superkrama out of mine after a while... it added little but visual clutter.Dec 24 18:02
schestowitzIt's good for Mac artists who might refuse to change apps using keyboard shortcuts that take the user to different desktop around the sphere.Dec 24 18:03
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1... "Music, DVD and game retailer Zavvi UK called in administrators this morning, confirming itself as the latest high street name seriously threatened by the slide into recession."Dec 24 18:31
trmanco.NiyDec 24 19:03
trmanco.Nit*Dec 24 19:03
trmancoLOLDec 24 19:03
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seller_liarHey royDec 24 19:08
seller_liarI was thinkingDec 24 19:08
seller_liaris very easy to port linux .net apps for other platformsDec 24 19:08
schestowitzIt is.Dec 24 19:09
schestowitzA feature for McirosoftDec 24 19:09
seller_liarFor example , there are some screenshots about banshee running in macosDec 24 19:09
seller_liarThis gives technical advantage for microsoftDec 24 19:09
seller_liarof course, there are some platform differencesDec 24 19:10
seller_liarbut it's is very easy to fixDec 24 19:10
seller_liarLike eclipse for exampleDec 24 19:10
seller_liareclipse is a java appDec 24 19:10
seller_liarit's portableDec 24 19:10
seller_liarbut there are some diffrencesDec 24 19:10
schestowitzJava is not .NETDec 24 19:11
seller_liarbut is very easy to port eclipse for windows , linux and macDec 24 19:11
schestowitzI.e. it's not MicrosoftDec 24 19:11
schestowitzHe who controls the API...Dec 24 19:11
seller_liarI know ,Dec 24 19:11
seller_liarMono does the same thingDec 24 19:11
seller_liarmono gives ONLY technical interoperabilty for m$Dec 24 19:12
schestowitzAnd kickbacks to NovellDec 24 19:12
seller_liarand does not need to bribe , like apache for exampleDec 24 19:13
seller_liarMono = free interoperability for m$Dec 24 19:13
trmancoseller_liar, According to Mono project leader Miguel de Icaza,[10] this agreement extends to Mono but only for Novell developers and customers. It was criticized by some members of the free software community because it violates the principles of giving equal rights to all users of a particular program (see Novell and their Patent Agreement with Microsoft).Dec 24 19:14
seller_liartrmanco: I knowDec 24 19:14
trmancojust avoid itDec 24 19:14
trmancoas much as possibleDec 24 19:14
seller_liarBut , free interoperability is very dangerousDec 24 19:14
trmancoit dependsDec 24 19:14
seller_liarM$ can use linux free softwares at no costDec 24 19:15
trmancoeverbody can use free softwareDec 24 19:15
seller_liarAnd runs even better than linuxDec 24 19:15
seller_liarBecause m$ uses superior .net platformDec 24 19:15
seller_liarM$ can imbue scripts to cil codeDec 24 19:16
seller_liarbecause all code is source basedDec 24 19:16
seller_liarit's not binary basedDec 24 19:16
seller_liarBut , the enemy will use our powers to destroy usDec 24 19:17
schestowitzThat's what APIs are forDec 24 19:17
schestowitzWatch what they did to JavaDec 24 19:17
schestowitzThey 'extended' it.Dec 24 19:17
schestowitzI could show you criminal quotes about that. it was done deliberately and maliciously.Dec 24 19:18
seller_liarI know , but did not permitDec 24 19:18
seller_liarSun has defended javaDec 24 19:18
seller_liarI like java , the only problem is to port .net to javaDec 24 19:19
seller_liarIkvm and ja.net have ported java to netDec 24 19:19
benJImanjacil runs .net on java.Dec 24 19:19
seller_liarI don t like this because all developers can change from java to .netDec 24 19:19
seller_liarbenJIman: I knowDec 24 19:19
seller_liarbenJIman: But it's VERY outdatedDec 24 19:20
seller_liarbenJIman: But the good solution is port all net to javaDec 24 19:20
seller_liarLike jythonDec 24 19:20
seller_liarJono?Dec 24 19:20
seller_liarA java implementation of MonoDec 24 19:20
seller_liarLGPLv3Dec 24 19:20
seller_liarTransforms moonblight to bytecodeDec 24 19:21
seller_liarLike jython doesDec 24 19:21
benJImanseller_liar: I fail to see how that would solve any of the problems you have with mono.Dec 24 19:21
seller_liarFor exampleDec 24 19:21
benJImanMono is under a more liberal licence than java.Dec 24 19:21
seller_liarJava devs can import mono librariesDec 24 19:21
benJIman.net on java would have no fewer patent ifnfringements.Dec 24 19:22
seller_liarLike ikvm doesDec 24 19:22
seller_liarAnd this gives more power to javaDec 24 19:22
seller_liarFor exampleDec 24 19:22
seller_liarIkvm import java code in a .net appDec 24 19:22
trmancohttp://www.damnvulnerablelinux.org/Dec 24 19:22
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trmancohttp://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/24/netb...Dec 24 19:26
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schestowitzI told you!Dec 24 19:28
schestowitzThat's why I say sub-notebook.Dec 24 19:28
trmancomore bad stuff from IntelDec 24 19:29
trmancoIntel insists Atom only for Intel chipsets, does not want to share Nvidia's Ion: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a...Dec 24 19:29
schestowitzIntel is a criminal companyDec 24 19:29
schestowitzI already have enough in the basket... let them announce their layoffs soon.Dec 24 19:30
seller_I dont like intel , is another monopolist like coca-colaDec 24 19:31
seller_Destroy poor countries to sell more productsDec 24 19:31
schestowitzThat's the American wayDec 24 19:33
schestowitzMoney first, ethics later... laws?? Only if someone enforces them, e.g. FTC, SEC.Dec 24 19:33
seller_That's the stupida American WayDec 24 19:38
seller_But it's not my wayDec 24 19:39
seller_Companies forces people to follow the american wayDec 24 19:39
seller_Big companies creates homogenous populationDec 24 19:41
seller_M$ ,McDonalds, Nike, Coca-cola, IntelDec 24 19:41
seller_All these companies forces people to follow the same way of lifeDec 24 19:41
seller_If you don t follow these (stupid) companies , you are f*ckedDec 24 19:42
trmancothey take away your life tooDec 24 19:42
schestowitzI wasn't going to post in BN today, but some many sites go on with business as usual, so I'll do a few posts.Dec 24 19:42
schestowitzseller_: how much do you know about "manufactured consent"?Dec 24 19:43
trmancooh btwDec 24 19:43
schestowitzThose that do not follow the route of the giants are pushed gently out of the cycle of impact.Dec 24 19:43
trmancobefore I forget, Merry Christmas to everyoneDec 24 19:43
schestowitzseller_: let me find the post "when did I become such a tool?"Dec 24 19:43
schestowitzFrom a Microsoft employee who moved to Linux.Dec 24 19:44
seller_"Manufactured consent"Dec 24 19:44
seller_I do not knowDec 24 19:44
schestowitzGot it! http://makingtheswitch.wordpress.com/2...Dec 24 19:44
schestowitzseller_: go to YouTube or Google and study this. it's a term from almost 100 years ago.Dec 24 19:44
schestowitzHow to use PR industry techniques to brainwash rather then resort to crowd control.Dec 24 19:45
seller_schestowitz: okDec 24 19:45
trmancohttp://www.fsf.org/blogs/mem...Dec 24 19:46
seller_ It’s filled with thousands of people who truly believe that they are doing the right thing for the customer and who want nothing more than to deliver the absolute best they can (within the limits of time, resources and politics). Good pay. Great benefits. Smart people.Dec 24 19:46
seller_We can not live this wayDec 24 19:46
seller_The ex- m$ developer cannot act like a machine which gives only technical power ovfor customersDec 24 19:47
seller_The ex-m$ dev only thinks in better solution ,better softwares ,better,betterDec 24 19:47
seller_better....Dec 24 19:47
seller_We can not live this wayDec 24 19:48
seller_We need to live a ethical way of life tooDec 24 19:48
seller_We need to think about ethics , not only , better,better,better thingsDec 24 19:48
seller_There are  a lot of "better" things, but these things are not "good" thingsDec 24 19:49
seller_Like google searchDec 24 19:51
seller_is very fast ,is better search, but it 's not a good ethical solutionDec 24 19:52
schestowitzYes, ethics I agree.Dec 24 19:52
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schestowitzWhy don't schools teach that?Dec 24 19:52
schestowitzwb, kentma Dec 24 19:52
kentmaHiiDec 24 19:52
seller_Schools are very outdatedDec 24 19:52
seller_Ethical is a very personal actDec 24 19:53
seller_Envolves companies and bad actsDec 24 19:53
seller_School does not like to discuss bad actsDec 24 19:53
seller_But we need to discuss and study about bad actsDec 24 19:53
seller_Like M$ doesDec 24 19:54
schestowitzTell me about it... :-)Dec 24 19:54
kentmaMy school  is very ethical...Dec 24 19:54
schestowitzI pointed out earlier that Intel commits crimeDec 24 19:54
trmancoFirst There Was Compiz, Now There Is Compiz++: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...Dec 24 19:54
schestowitzA gang of American hyenas jump to the company's resuce.Dec 24 19:54
schestowitzI give lots of extensive evidence, so they start attacking my personalityDec 24 19:54
schestowitztrmanco: yeah, there was also flatfish, which become flastfish++Dec 24 19:55
trmancoLOLDec 24 19:55
schestowitzTrue though.Dec 24 19:55
kentmaHehe, yes.Dec 24 19:55
trmancoschestowitz, no, flatfish#Dec 24 19:55
schestowitzWith extra rudeness and libel.Dec 24 19:55
schestowitzAfter repeating his real name he came out from the hiding.Dec 24 19:56
kentmaGary became very aggressive when he was first Id'dDec 24 19:56
kentmaIt was a seminal moment in cleaning up colaDec 24 19:57
seller_schestowitz: a hintDec 24 19:57
seller_schestowitz: ethics is agains powerDec 24 19:58
schestowitzThey accused others of nymshiftingDec 24 19:58
seller_schestowitz: power is against ethicsDec 24 19:58
schestowitzThe truth is that regulars often stay anonymous because they are afraid of the Microsoft bullies, who spread libel and attack through a person's employerDec 24 19:58
schestowitzIn Greece they made it a sinDec 24 19:58
schestowitzHubris, I think.Dec 24 19:59
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HubrisDec 24 19:59
schestowitz"Hubris, sometimes spelled hybris (ancient Greek ὕβρις), is a term used in modern English to indicate overweening pride, self-confidence, superciliousness, or arrogance, often resulting in fatal retribution. In ancient Greece, hubris referred to actions which, intentionally or not, shamed and humiliated the victim, and frequently the perpetrator as well."Dec 24 19:59
schestowitz[...] "Hubris, though not specifically defined, was a legal term and was considered a crime in classical Athens. It was also considered the greatest sin of the ancient Greek world. "Dec 24 19:59
schestowitz"Greatest sin"Dec 24 20:00
schestowitzWell, they still raise an army of Donald Trump wannabes and businesspeople turn Bill Gates into some kind of a role model as though crime is acceptable as long as you become rich that way. This reminds of all these disgraceful people who tell the press _right now_ how Madoff was a nice guy.Dec 24 20:01
kentmaCriminals, especially  white collar ones often aare 'nice'Dec 24 20:03
schestowitzWhite collar.Dec 24 20:04
schestowitzThey wear suits, so they are just 'too shrewed'Dec 24 20:04
trmancoMediaPortal 1.0 for Windows is released: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news...Dec 24 20:06
trmancoMicrosoft confirms it's been working on SQL Server bug since April: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article....Dec 24 20:08
schestowitz'Working' or working?Dec 24 20:09
schestowitzSo they can fix an IE bug within days (200+ patches), whereas another takes 8 months?Dec 24 20:09
trmancoorDec 24 20:10
trmanco... 7 yearsDec 24 20:10
trmancoIIRCDec 24 20:10
schestowitzJust Windows? http://www.team-mediapor...Dec 24 20:11
schestowitzThey don't fix bugs until attacks hijack PCsDec 24 20:11
trmancoyes, http://www.team-mediaportal.com/manual/Genera...Dec 24 20:11
schestowitzThat way they can pretend they don't have bugs. People can find those bugs in binaries.Dec 24 20:11
seller_Fix bugs costs moneyDec 24 20:11
schestowitz"#Dec 24 20:12
schestowitzMicrosoft .NET Framework 2Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz#Dec 24 20:12
schestowitzMicrosoft DirectX 9.0c or later"Dec 24 20:12
seller_For m$ this is more important than humansDec 24 20:12
trmancoLOLDec 24 20:12
trmancomore bugsDec 24 20:12
schestowitzWow. GPL... .NET... Windows-onlyDec 24 20:12
trmanco:-PDec 24 20:12
schestowitzTruly 'Fee software'Dec 24 20:12
schestowitzThis devalues the notion of GPLDec 24 20:12
schestowitzBuilt with DirectX and .NET... good luck running /that/ on anything but Vista ME.Dec 24 20:13
trmancoRed Hat supports Ogg -> http://www.redhat.com/videos/Dec 24 20:14
seller_Hehe , I will use mediaportal via mono!Dec 24 20:14
trmanco" Fee Software" :-PDec 24 20:14
schestowitzI'll do a post about it, thanls.Dec 24 20:16
trmancoOpen suse has a new license?Dec 24 20:17
trmancoJoe "Zonker" Brockmeier discusses OpenSUSE 11.1: http://www.desktoplinux.com/artic...Dec 24 20:17
trmancohttp://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_EULADec 24 20:18
trmancothis opensuse eula thing is new to meDec 24 20:20
trmancoit already had one before so forget what I typedDec 24 20:20
schestowitzYes, I posted about it.Dec 24 20:20
schestowitzWhy is it that the Internet takes no break???Dec 24 20:21
schestowitzI was going to take time off, but everyone writes and posts news like busy beavers.Dec 24 20:21
trmancoThe internet can't stopDec 24 20:23
trmancoimagine if all the servers went down at once :-PDec 24 20:23
trmancosame happens with the news :-PDec 24 20:23
schestowitzNa...Dec 24 20:23
schestowitzI thought there was a "rest" consensus.Dec 24 20:24
trmancoOpen source becomes paid software in 2009: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10128801-62...Dec 24 20:36
trmancohttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content...Dec 24 20:37
schestowitzThose are the people who change the meaning of OSSDec 24 20:41
schestowitzAsay, Rosenberg, etc. It's not about Free software, but more about SaaS and dual-licensing.Dec 24 20:41
schestowitz Micron makes more losses on memory way < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/... >Dec 24 20:57
schestowitz"USA Today is reporting that Homeland Security is looking to start scanning blogs, forums and message boards to try to track terrorists and terrorist activity. My first reaction to this, honestly, was shock. " < http://techdirt.com/articles/20... > Dec 24 21:07
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schestowitzhttp://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-de... " Tasers have killed 400 people in North America since 2001. Calling them "nonlethal" makes users trigger-happy."Dec 24 21:43
trmancohttp://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/pro...Dec 24 21:43
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/200... He's out!Dec 24 21:43
trmancowhy the heck are the prices the sameDec 24 21:43
schestowitzDon't buy Dell.Dec 24 21:44
trmancoeven tho Ubuntu has lower specsDec 24 21:44
trmancooh waitDec 24 21:44
schestowitzLook at the specsDec 24 21:44
trmancoExpires 08/01/2009Dec 24 21:44
schestowitzThis is ridiculous.Dec 24 21:44
trmancoit isDec 24 21:44
trmancowhere is the pressure coming from?Dec 24 21:45
trmanco:|Dec 24 21:45
schestowitzGet twice of most things by avoiding that 'expensive' Linux thing.Dec 24 21:45
trmancothis crap just pisses me offDec 24 21:45
schestowitzWhere did you find this?Dec 24 21:45
trmancoCOLADec 24 21:45
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schestowitzIf not many people saw this, I'll blogDec 24 21:45
schestowitzOKDec 24 21:45
schestowitzI'll blog about itrDec 24 21:45
schestowitzDamn. it's supposed to be quiet today. :-(Dec 24 21:46
trmancoa post by megabyteDec 24 21:46
trmancoLOLDec 24 21:46
twitterwhat's the noise?Dec 24 21:46
trmancotomorrow will be a quiet dayDec 24 21:46
trmancotwitter, this >> http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/pr...Dec 24 21:46
twitterno, holidays are when people try to sneak things over.Dec 24 21:46
twitterso?Dec 24 21:47
twitterI saw one of these things the other day with XP.  It crashed on boot.Dec 24 21:48
trmancosame priceDec 24 21:48
trmancobut ubuntu has lower specsDec 24 21:48
twitterOEM lock.  Just one more reason to avoid M$ Partners.Dec 24 21:49
twitterPeople are going to buy the Linux model anyway because it works better.Dec 24 21:49
trmancoeven on lower specs it works betterDec 24 21:50
trmancoLOLDec 24 21:50
trmanco"I just bought the Xp model... can't wait to put linux on it...Dec 24 21:50
trmancoMERRY CHRISTMAS!"Dec 24 21:50
twitterFrom what I saw, the XP model does not work at all.Dec 24 21:50
trmancoI haven't read the comments yet, if it was there you got that informationDec 24 21:52
trmancobrbDec 24 21:52
twitterNo, I got that information from watching one crash and talking to the owner.Dec 24 21:53
twitterHe's was a hard core Winblows person, so he thought the performance was normal for such a small, low powered computer.Dec 24 21:54
twittersadDec 24 21:54
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schestowitzOK, almost done.Dec 24 21:58
schestowitztwitter: that's not the pointDec 24 21:59
schestowitzDell somehow continues encouraging people to buy Windows and dual-bootDec 24 21:59
schestowitzIt's the same with laptops and desktops.Dec 24 21:59
schestowitzIt's important to follow the unbundling rules proposed in the EU (France)Dec 24 22:00
schestowitzThere need to be tags that say how much the software _ALONE_ costs so that refund can be demanded. Otherwise, market distortion through kickbacks remains possible.Dec 24 22:00
schestowitzDell also did the bribery thing with Intel. Many of these corporations are as ethical as Madoff. They smile at you while they loot everyone.Dec 24 22:01
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/...Dec 24 22:05
PetoKrausoh merry christmas ladsDec 24 22:10
PetoKrausanywayDec 24 22:10
PetoKrauspeople are so nuts these days, that I don't even need to follow FOSS stuff to submerge myself in insanityDec 24 22:11
trmancotwitter, oh ok, that was even a better source :-PDec 24 22:12
schestowitzMerry Christmas to you too. I look forward to more beer in the weekend myself.Dec 24 22:12
schestowitzMicrosoft mentality: it doesn't matter how good/bad our product is as long as there is no competition and we can develop and invest... new ways to sabotage it.Dec 24 22:13
trmancoPetoKraus, Merry Christmas to you tooDec 24 22:13
twitterVisiting my family was deeply disturbing.Dec 24 22:14
twitterI can always expect some copyright warrior stuff, but this time I was confronted with broadcast news toxins.Dec 24 22:15
twitterThey believe that it's AOK for the US government to torture and murder people.Dec 24 22:16
twitterThey don't believe in global warming.Dec 24 22:16
schestowitz*sigh* http://tech.slashdot.org/article.... It's not as though Slashdot says "look, we have lots of influence and we are willing to sell out." It works in reverse. Companies lust for Slashdot's exposure, so they come to it with money. If Slashdot is in a bad financial or mental state, then it give in.Dec 24 22:16
schestowitz*givesDec 24 22:16
schestowitztwitter: what's to believe in? It's not a religion. It's a fact, it's science.Dec 24 22:17
twitterThey don't know science, they are lawyers.Dec 24 22:17
schestowitzOnly money and media distortion from Standard Oil (as it used to be) can turn facts into a 'debate' with 'two sides' and controversy.Dec 24 22:17
twitterthey don't care anyway.Dec 24 22:18
schestowitzWhy resolve the problem? Let's just argue about their existence, instead.Dec 24 22:18
twitterAs long as someone is earning money doing it, most of my family thinks it's OK to destroy any resource.Dec 24 22:19
schestowitzAmazonian too?Dec 24 22:19
schestowitzWhat happens when things run out?Dec 24 22:19
trmancowe dieDec 24 22:19
schestowitzThe world is no infinite garbage dump, either.Dec 24 22:19
twitterThey don't care.Dec 24 22:19
schestowitztrmanco: it's human's nature.Dec 24 22:19
trmancoyes of courseDec 24 22:20
schestowitz*^HumanDec 24 22:20
twitterThey still like GWB, so I can safely say they are a rabid minority.Dec 24 22:20
schestowitzWhat if it was reformed though education? This requires collapsing financial ambitions/greedDec 24 22:20
schestowitztwitter: they are not told the truthDec 24 22:20
schestowitzLet me find somethingDec 24 22:20
schestowitzGot it: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...Dec 24 22:21
schestowitzWatch what this man says at the end. It's breathtaking how much 'robotized' people can become... kind of like in WW2Dec 24 22:21
twitterThey are saturated with broadcast bullshit and pick and chose the things they want to believe.Dec 24 22:21
schestowitzBiased coverage through omission of perspective.Dec 24 22:22
twitterIt is frightening because most of these people are well educated.  I'm surprised by how mean and craven a few years of toxic broadcast has made them.Dec 24 22:22
schestowitz /. instructs on making a PC work for older people......... as long as it's not GNU/Linux...... http://tech.slashdot.org/article....Dec 24 22:23
twitterThey have basically bought into the endless war on terrorism - they have declared war on the entire world.Dec 24 22:23
schestowitzReminds me of that Nigerian article from last week about Microsoft... they train people so that they recycle PCs... BUT ONLY it it's Windows, not GNU/Linux.Dec 24 22:24
schestowitzThis works by creating resentmentDec 24 22:24
schestowitzIf people are sold this 'war' that is frivolous, then people will get angry, join moments like the Taliban and actualize the imaginary vision that, for example, says that 9/11 has something to do with Iraq.Dec 24 22:25
schestowitzI always say, "treat them like terrorists, and terrorists they shall become"Dec 24 22:25
schestowitzI also say, "treat them like "pirates", and downloading you music they will"Dec 24 22:26
schestowitz"You're a thief" tax on CD, music player and HDDs is a good example.Dec 24 22:26
twitterIt's funny but the less educated member of my family understood the resentment our bogus war has created because he knows the foot soldiers.Dec 24 22:27
twitterThey work for Haliburton, Blackwater and others, have done several tours and rotations but won't be going back any more.Dec 24 22:28
schestowitzI'm reminded of a story about people who refuse to participate in this.Dec 24 22:28
schestowitzEven the production of missiles in Columbine is a good example of the 'Death Pipeline'Dec 24 22:29
neighborleetwitter, thats easy...they dont have to believe in global warming really, to understand that clean energy is the future..no one wants to pollute intentionaly unlesss of course those individuals are invested in said technologies of course, so its also not just the earth we are harming but future genomes so if they have any grand kids thats a killler to their arguement ;)Dec 24 22:29
twitterOh, they were happy enough to participate in the beginning.  They know there's so much resentment now that it's just not worth it anymore.Dec 24 22:29
neighborleeI h ave no idea what my b rother thinks about such things but now im curiuos so ill ask him sometime ;)Dec 24 22:29
schestowitzI watched this helicopter pilot who refused to serve anymore because he led commandos to targeted assassinations.Dec 24 22:29
twitterMilitary people don't have a way out.Dec 24 22:30
schestowitztwitter: it's not just Arab resentmentDec 24 22:30
schestowitzEven Europe is shown (using polls) to have lost respect for American business and policies.Dec 24 22:30
schestowitzIt's harmful all around.Dec 24 22:30
twitterI know.Dec 24 22:30
schestowitzWait until more dollars are dumped for Euro..Dec 24 22:30
schestowitzThat would hurt.Dec 24 22:31
schestowitzRe: Military people, true, esp. now. It's hard enough to be hired for anything but military and armamentDec 24 22:31
twitterLike I said, it was disturbing.Dec 24 22:31
schestowitzI wonder what PJ is up to. She's not answering people's mailDec 24 22:32
twitterI hope she's on vacation.Dec 24 22:32
schestowitz_Doug speaks as though she's gone for now. I don't think it's vacation. It's organising backlogDec 24 22:32
twitterWell, it was nice stopping by.  I'm going back to vacation myself.Dec 24 22:34
twitterI'll read BN from time to time, but the next week or so will be spent with my wife and kids, then the inlaws who are much less toxic.Dec 24 22:34
schestowitzWow. This is bizarre. I published almost nothing in BN today and we still got as much traffic as usua.Dec 24 22:36
twitterPeople probably don't read everyday.Dec 24 22:37
schestowitzI was going to publish nothing, but nobody is taking a break, which I find annoying.Dec 24 22:37
twitterYou keep looking at Groklaw, right?Dec 24 22:37
twitterExtinction takes time.Dec 24 22:37
schestowitzAlmost nothinjg there.Dec 24 22:37
schestowitzI can't see if she's adding missing PDFsDec 24 22:38
schestowitzHere's the thingDec 24 22:38
schestowitzLike with Beranger, once you get used to time off, then you find other things and may not be back to it at the same level of capacityDec 24 22:38
schestowitzShe used to post up to about 5 posts a day. Recently she was doing 1 a day (at most) and her traffic fellDec 24 22:38
twitterOh no.  I'll be back the same as always until I get a job.Dec 24 22:39
schestowitzBN is 3100th on Netcraft's scale. GL is 1200thDec 24 22:39
schestowitzHere's another thing.Dec 24 22:39
schestowitzI sent this E-mail before she stopped.Dec 24 22:40
schestowitz"Hi Pamela, I hope you don't mind me asking a personal question, but I noticed that you publish just one article per day (less than you used to). Do you do work outside the site in order to pay the bills? I ask because I might need to follow a similar route. With kind Regards and happy thanksgiving!"Dec 24 22:40
twitterHmmm.  Keep up the good work and have a Merry Christmas.Dec 24 22:41
schestowitzThe "health break" (2007) was not really about health, so I am left suspicious.Dec 24 22:41
twitterMy break is going to be all about Christmas.Dec 24 22:41
twitterlater.Dec 24 22:41
*twitter has quit ("Leaving.")Dec 24 22:41
schestowitzWorld Bank bans India outsourcer Satyam for 8 years < http://www.theregister.co.u... >Dec 24 22:42
schestowitz"News of the barring was first reported in October by Fox News, which further alleges World Bank investigators discovered spy software installed by one or more Satyam contractors on workstations in the bank's Washington DC headquarters."Dec 24 22:42
schestowitzFrom Bad to Ugly: Seattle Tech '08 < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Fro... >Dec 24 22:45
schestowitz"Of course, at this point, the bigger question is whether Microsoft employees will keep their jobs, let alone their towel service." http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Will_Mi...Dec 24 22:45
trmancodoes anybody know free ldap servers?Dec 24 23:33
schestowitzGoogling netted: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/li... . Centos would doDec 24 23:36
schestowitzThat Var Guy is on some illusion that Red Hat benefits from Wintel press, but I doubt a few articles in Ziff/Gates make so much difference. It's nice to believe it though, no? :-)Dec 24 23:36
trmancothanksDec 24 23:55
trmancohttp://www.openldap.org/Dec 24 23:56
trmanco:)Dec 24 23:56
schestowitzI can imagine.Dec 24 23:56
schestowitzIs there a story coming about schools in Portugal escaping the wrath of the corruptible Gates-controlled regime?Dec 24 23:56
trmancoNop, not yetDec 24 23:58

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