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| PetoKraus | oh well, liferea is WAY too slow | Dec 29 07:09 |
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| eupho | http://www.publictechnology.net/modules... | Dec 29 08:16 |
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| eupho | Jean-Philippe Courtois becomes "ambassador" for the EYCI 2009. | Dec 29 08:17 |
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| eupho | with compTIA they lobbied for the "year". | Dec 29 08:17 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Dec 29 08:17 |
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| schestowitz | Let me see... | Dec 29 08:17 |
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| eupho | Commissioner Figel seems to be their buddy | Dec 29 08:18 |
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| schestowitz | Who's that? | Dec 29 08:19 |
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| eupho | http://www.create2009.europa.eu/amb... | Dec 29 08:19 |
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| schestowitz | Let's see. | Dec 29 08:19 |
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| eupho | I wonder who elected a monopolist | Dec 29 08:19 |
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| schestowitz | Stacking? | Dec 29 08:20 |
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| eupho | Courtois is the Microsoft EMEA chief salesman | Dec 29 08:20 |
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| schestowitz | So wait.. what is his role now? I'm still read it. | Dec 29 08:20 |
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| schestowitz | "Jean-Philippe Courtois (FR), President, Microsoft International" | Dec 29 08:21 |
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| eupho | I assume the EYCI is a lobby project of hugo Lueders | Dec 29 08:21 |
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| eupho | Creativity and Innovation == Software patenting | Dec 29 08:21 |
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| schestowitz | What doe it target? | Dec 29 08:21 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Dec 29 08:21 |
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| schestowitz | Of course. | Dec 29 08:21 |
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| schestowitz | "Innovation" | Dec 29 08:21 |
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| schestowitz | Like the fake "VoicesForInnovatyion" site | Dec 29 08:21 |
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| eupho | It is a blabla buzz event | Dec 29 08:21 |
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| eupho | but funded by EU money | Dec 29 08:21 |
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| schestowitz | Created by Microsoft... for the 'community' | Dec 29 08:21 |
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| eupho | some political bullshit process, cmp. also the Lisbon agenda | Dec 29 08:22 |
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| eupho | Lisbon = "EU for innovation" | Dec 29 08:22 |
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| eupho | and competitiveness | Dec 29 08:22 |
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| schestowitz | How did you find out? | Dec 29 08:23 |
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| eupho | it's on the web | Dec 29 08:27 |
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| eupho | your MEP could ask a nasty question | Dec 29 08:27 |
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| eupho | http://www.europarl.europa.eu/me... | Dec 29 08:28 |
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| eupho | http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesActi... | Dec 29 08:29 |
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| eupho | How: that Lueders is behind? | Dec 29 08:29 |
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| schestowitz | I'll need to study this a bit, then post the conclusions. | Dec 29 08:29 |
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| eupho | simple, listen to him | Dec 29 08:29 |
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| schestowitz | I heard of him before. | Dec 29 08:29 |
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| eupho | When he is not in evil anti-standards, pro-patent mode he talks about "eskills" | Dec 29 08:30 |
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| eupho | and "us" and "our need" to "show leadership" and become more competivee | Dec 29 08:31 |
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| eupho | in the field of education | Dec 29 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | More competitive... | Dec 29 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like ACT/ATL | Dec 29 08:31 |
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| eupho | ACT is a fly-in, Lueders is the European ground worker and CompTIA also has a certification branch | Dec 29 08:32 |
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| eupho | http://www.techworld.com/applications/... | Dec 29 08:32 |
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| schestowitz | I see... | Dec 29 08:32 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I saw that article many times. | Dec 29 08:33 |
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| eupho | Politically uncorrect: Figel is a Commissioner with a "women job", no one takes him serious | Dec 29 08:34 |
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| eupho | A Commissioner for every member state | Dec 29 08:35 |
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| eupho | Some overlap. Figel is just a figurehead. | Dec 29 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | I'd need to catch up with who is who here. | Dec 29 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks for drawing it up | Dec 29 08:38 |
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| eupho | Commissioner for Education, Culture, and Multilingualism | Dec 29 08:38 |
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| eupho | http://www.vrwb.be/MFiles/fi... | Dec 29 08:39 |
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| eupho | ;-) | Dec 29 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks! | Dec 29 08:39 |
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| eupho | http://www.ebsummit.eu/programme/speak... | Dec 29 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | It looks like the corruptible ones stand out | Dec 29 08:39 |
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| eupho | http://www.microsoft.com/france/... | Dec 29 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | It's hard for the public to know without entering the "public arena", which is just what they want | Dec 29 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | I see... | Dec 29 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | So how is Figel connected to it again? | Dec 29 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | I'll use this log as notes later on when I write about it | Dec 29 08:40 |
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| eupho | http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=es-mx&... | Dec 29 08:40 |
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| eupho | Microsoft via Lueders "adopted" Jan Figel as their Commissioner. | Dec 29 08:41 |
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| schestowitz | Looks like quite a crony type | Dec 29 08:42 |
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| eupho | because no one else is interested in what he has to say | Dec 29 08:42 |
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| schestowitz | I see.. | Dec 29 08:42 |
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| schestowitz | How confident are you? | Dec 29 08:42 |
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| eupho | Look at any Microsoft branded as Microsoft event and look whom they invite | Dec 29 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | How much do you know about Charlie McCreevy and Microsoft? | Dec 29 08:44 |
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| schestowitz | Is there a connection you are aware of? | Dec 29 08:44 |
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| schestowitz | I already know the Sarko connection. | Dec 29 08:44 |
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| eupho | McCreevy is powerful. | Dec 29 08:46 |
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| schestowitz | Like a chainsaw | Dec 29 08:46 |
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| eupho | Courtois and Figel, when you see them on stage it looks like they are brothers. | Dec 29 08:46 |
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| eupho | http://www.smeday.com/2008/sm... | Dec 29 08:48 |
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| schestowitz | SME Day | Dec 29 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Dec 29 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | The ACT thing with Microsoft 'hosting' IIRC | Dec 29 08:49 |
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| eupho | + European! | Dec 29 08:49 |
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| eupho | A Microsoft sales guy meeting with some young entrepreneur buzz | Dec 29 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | Which entrepreneur buzz? | Dec 29 08:50 |
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| eupho | what can WE do to forster investment and make capital available to start ups | Dec 29 08:50 |
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| schestowitz | What's funny is that "Small and Medium-sized business day" is organised by monopolists | Dec 29 08:50 |
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| eupho | A bit ironic when it is hosted by Microsoft which has a lot of cash for investment | Dec 29 08:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's a bit like parents who set up a birthday for a 5-year-old | Dec 29 08:50 |
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| eupho | Yes. | Dec 29 08:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's no isolated thing. | Dec 29 08:51 |
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| schestowitz | They steal voices that way | Dec 29 08:51 |
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| schestowitz | I used many examples to show this before. | Dec 29 08:51 |
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| eupho | And of course capital conditions, you try to use the young naive entrepreneurs and built your own sock puppets aarmy | Dec 29 08:51 |
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| eupho | army | Dec 29 08:51 |
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| eupho | Long term, low key | Dec 29 08:51 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, like letters from the dead. | Dec 29 08:52 |
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| eupho | Oh, Peter Jungen!? | Dec 29 08:52 |
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| schestowitz | Who's that? | Dec 29 08:52 |
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| eupho | Peter Jungen is, German?!, looks like 75, and talks cold war rhetorics with an SME falvour | Dec 29 08:53 |
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| eupho | He is somewhat connected with the SME Union of the conservatives | Dec 29 08:53 |
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| schestowitz | How do you know all this? | Dec 29 08:54 |
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| eupho | A political capitalism ideologist and activist without a home base. | Dec 29 08:54 |
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| eupho | The EU is funny, you just need to watch and follow it. | Dec 29 08:56 |
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| eupho | JTAG Tech is a company that innovates with an eye towards user friendliness,” says eeProductCenter’s Alex Mendelsohn. “In this case, the portal towards ease of use is Microsoft Windows. This tool can help implement boundary-scan testing at the board-level or system-level as well as support board-to-board testing. | Dec 29 08:56 |
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| eupho | http://www.epistep.org/artemis/d... | Dec 29 08:57 |
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| schestowitz | JTAG.... | Dec 29 08:57 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't they also get or harass with patents? | Dec 29 08:58 |
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| eupho | EU + Microsoft == real entertainment. | Dec 29 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | Same in the UK | Dec 29 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | BillG + B'liar = real blast | Dec 29 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | The lawyers talk with influence; Microsoft talks with cash | Dec 29 08:59 |
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| schestowitz | They are a match made in heaven. | Dec 29 08:59 |
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| eupho | The whole lobby theater works because no one is watching. | Dec 29 08:59 |
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| eupho | But it is real fun. | Dec 29 08:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Dec 29 09:01 |
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| schestowitz | There are wise words to be said about keeping people uninterested | Dec 29 09:01 |
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| eupho | Jungen was about to be fired by the Christian democrats for his late release of a Cologne financial report fo | Dec 29 09:01 |
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| schestowitz | Keeping them at work 9-5 and then letting them become TV zombies. | Dec 29 09:01 |
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| schestowitz | They don't have time or desire to research this, which is exactly what the cronies require. | Dec 29 09:01 |
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| eupho | The internet is the next television. Microsoft-EU the next soap opera, looks like SCO-IBMis over now | Dec 29 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it is | Dec 29 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw is taking a break | Dec 29 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | Patents are the next "Linux stole our code" | Dec 29 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | And Novell is the tool for achieving the FUD. | Dec 29 09:03 |
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| schestowitz | India too has its share of manipulation for patents | Dec 29 09:03 |
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| schestowitz | Some Microsoft lackeys seem to have gotten their hands on the spigot. They push software patents. | Dec 29 09:03 |
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| eupho | http://www.european-enterprise.org/ite... | Dec 29 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | That said, I have not seen any Indian articles about patents recently. Quiet is no indication of things getting better; it just means that the bad guys have more room for maneuver. | Dec 29 09:05 |
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| eupho | Pushing for software patents in foreign jurisdictions is one thing. | Dec 29 09:05 |
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| eupho | Penetration of the political class another | Dec 29 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | Whose group is this? | Dec 29 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.european-enterprise.org/items/... "The price of an annual Corporate Gold Membership is EUR 20,000 + " | Dec 29 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | Lobby for sale. | Dec 29 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | Buy you law now... at a discount. | Dec 29 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | EEI | Dec 29 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | Like IEE in reverse | Dec 29 09:07 |
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| eupho | Peter Jungen in the board... | Dec 29 09:07 |
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| eupho | these guys are not powerful, more like Vampires. No light-resistance. | Dec 29 09:08 |
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| eupho | E.g. Jungen also fights for tax reform. | Dec 29 09:09 |
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| eupho | and calls the progressive income tax 'marxist'. | Dec 29 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | What is he pushing for? | Dec 29 09:12 |
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| schestowitz | McCreecy did it as well. | Dec 29 09:12 |
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| schestowitz | It benefits Microsoft. | Dec 29 09:12 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about it in http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/... | Dec 29 09:13 |
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| eupho | http://www.euractiv.com/en/innovation/europe-des... | Dec 29 09:14 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Dec 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz | I hate this site | Dec 29 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | Very pro-patents | Dec 29 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | "EU Education Commissioner Ján Figel' " | Dec 29 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. | Dec 29 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | "Europe desperately lacking 'positive entrepreneurship culture' " | Dec 29 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | Translation: Europe is broken; save Europe; Listen to *THAT* guy | Dec 29 09:20 |
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| schestowitz | "However, this approach was challenged by the chair of the Finnish software entrepreneurs' association (Ohjelmistoyrittäjät) and CEO of Digium, Matti Heikkonen. He said entrepreneurship is not an educational issue. " | Dec 29 09:20 |
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| schestowitz | Do you know zoobab BTW? | Dec 29 09:20 |
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| schestowitz | Someone has found a source of information about MSFT: http://www.transnationale.org/companies/m... Unfortunately there is not so much info about Novell: http://www.transnationale.org/compani... "What is striking is that they have reduced its employees a 27% since 1998," it tell me. | Dec 29 09:37 |
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| schestowitz | "Although for the full reports one must be a subscriber, it summarizes interesting things in a single page, quite conveniently: unethical behaviours, tax heavens, financial figures..." | Dec 29 09:37 |
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| zoobab | pong | Dec 29 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, what's up? | Dec 29 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post the script above | Dec 29 10:19 |
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| Omar87 | hi all. | Dec 29 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, what's up? | Dec 29 10:32 |
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| Omar87 | Nuthin' :) | Dec 29 10:33 |
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| Omar87 | You? | Dec 29 10:33 |
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| Omar87 | I was reading about Bioinformatics a while ago. | Dec 29 10:33 |
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| Omar87 | It seems pretty interesting! | Dec 29 10:34 |
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| schestowitz | I know some people in the field. The world has bigger issues, IMHO | Dec 29 10:34 |
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| Omar87 | Of course, it does. | Dec 29 10:35 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, in case you missed it, Microsoft is being totally exposed now: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/micros... | Dec 29 10:35 |
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| schestowitz | "We also obtained a copy of a private E-mail claiming to be from James Plamondon, but we can’t divulge it. Our source says: “Perhaps he’s on a fishing expedition to find out exactly what else is out there that might show him in a bad light. And wants me to do it for him. Remember all these Comes docs were supposed to stay buried.” | Dec 29 10:36 |
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| eupho | Look, this is info war, without blood and wet trenches but with much more fun. | Dec 29 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | What puzzles me is why he sent it to a COLA poster. He made the mistake of taking the trolls on, using their own methods. What's suspected is he was trying to find a link between people and I provided it, by posting references to that email. What was done is that a person posted the original on Usenet so that I can link to it. The man is genuine based on the location, but maybe a trap. | Dec 29 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | eupho: I posted your words | Dec 29 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/jung... | Dec 29 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't have time to organise it. | Dec 29 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | But the site is less formal than most news sites (just more truthful), so there it goes... | Dec 29 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | "That Plamondon doc, could be a manual for how any business could get to the top - by any means necessary" | Dec 29 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/27/mic... | Dec 29 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | He does live in Austin. I saw his IP (BN comment), so unless it's a faker, which I think is unlikely, then we have something in our hands. | Dec 29 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | Other people sort of corroborated | Dec 29 10:41 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: How do you find out someone's location out of his IP address..? | Dec 29 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | You can't | Dec 29 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | But if they post something on your site, you can | Dec 29 10:45 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Mhmm. | Dec 29 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | Other nasty people use their friends who work for an ISP | Dec 29 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | The IP gave me confidence that the messages were authentic, not a fabrication | Dec 29 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | The annoying thing, people in USENET are the moment faking messages from me. | Dec 29 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | The USENET server I typically use if offline and the person who can reboot/fix it overseas, so I can't post to USENET properly. | Dec 29 10:47 |
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| Omar87 | What a dirty tactic. | Dec 29 10:48 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/12/... | Dec 29 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | " | Dec 29 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | OOXML scores controversial victoryMicrosoft declared victory in its fight to get fast-track?approval for Open Office XML as a global file format standard on April 1. Some critics said it was ironic that the software giant crowed about its success on April Fools' Day, given that a vocal group of International Organization for Standardization members had complained about irregularities in the voting process" | Dec 29 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | Way to underplay crime... http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-top-10-stories-... | Dec 29 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | In the mail this morning: "I support what Roy is doing with Boycott Novell, in that he is keeping Novell's fee to the fire so that they understand that the community doesn't appreciate things such as supporting OOXML and several other big mistakes that Novell has made." | Dec 29 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | "See, it seems that we (the FOSS) community have several of mutually antagonistic (but not mutually exclusive) goals to achieve: 1) spread Free Software 2) as quickly as possible 3) as widely as possible 4) while maintaining diversity 5) and while preventing Microsoft and others from confusing the movement as a whole." | Dec 29 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | "My concern is that our greatest asset is our ability to collaborate. If we shout too loudly too long at one another, we lose our ability to collaborate. On the other hand, if we don't insist on transparency and Free Software, then we are not a Free Software movement. " | Dec 29 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | "In short, we are not going to always get all that we want _in the short term_. We are all going to have to make compromises. I'm sure that each of us here uses some distro other than ututo-e or gNewSense or some other similarly pure distro. I'm sure that all of us here use non-Free codecs such as the Flash plug-in. And more important, newbies are going to want non-Free software until they understand how dumb it is to use non-F | Dec 29 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | ree codecs and non-Free software." | Dec 29 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | "IMHO, we should use our efforts more to focus on expanding Free Software and Free codecs and less to criticize people who don't. It would be better to take them to task in private." | Dec 29 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | "[...] I know that this is not as easy as it seems, because we do need transparency, as well. Having discussions in the open is positive, even if those discussions are antagonistic." | Dec 29 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | "Many social movements have failed because of ideological splits. One of our greatest challenges in the Free Software movement is maintaining our focus on Free Software while reconciling with those who don't agree with us." | Dec 29 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | "IMHO, we have more in common with Meeks and Novell than Microsoft. " | Dec 29 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | Divide and conquer. Microsoft is a bunch of unethical thugs. | Dec 29 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | Do nothing, be screwed. Say something, be accused of dividing. | Dec 29 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | It's also in the Slog Doc from Microsoft. They do this deliberately, in order to harm from the inside. | Dec 29 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | ...Does n't matter how one responds, the damage is done. They use money to divide people -- they exploit the loophole of greed. | Dec 29 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | So when is the next shipment of money from MS to Novell? Last one was around August. $100,000,000 | Dec 29 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, politics are the same | Dec 29 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | Consider how the US gives arms for countries to ruin one another | Dec 29 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | Like America gave weapons to Iraq, IIRC, so that it will kill and devastate Iran | Dec 29 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | Spread the poison, let the 'enemies' fight each other rather than the real felon. | Dec 29 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | New and odd (one among 6): http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmrG5iawBM (Drac Novell 2008 5è premi Ràdio Serveis) | Dec 29 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | Culture secretary Andy Burnham wants cinema-style age ratings for websites < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/dec/2... > | Dec 29 10:59 |
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| schestowitz | RMS: "The Clown regime wants world-wide Internet censorship. It also wants to increase the danger of the UK's dangerous libel laws, which already chill free speech by making it so easy to win a judgment against criticism." | Dec 29 11:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-d... "Not to forget: how Bush paid Republicans to go to Florida and sabotage the attempt to properly count the votes." | Dec 29 11:00 |
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| schestowitz | Police accused of torturing jailed activists < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/27/j... > | Dec 29 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8095 (Weekly Radio Spin: Dogged Marketing During the Meltdown). The era of media spin is almost ending, so they fight back by censoring the Web and attacking people who speak out. | Dec 29 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-de... "How Facebook isolates people by substituting the tag of "friend" for real friendship — while collecting personal data for CIA and marketing use." | Dec 29 11:13 |
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| schestowitz | "One thing that is evident is the continuing emergence of the mobile platform as a real alternative to the traditional PC." http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008... | Dec 29 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.newsweek.com/id/176809 "Since the birth of the Republic, the U.S. government has been in the business of handing out "exclusive rights" (a.k.a., monopolies) in order to "promote progress" or enable new markets of communication. Patents and copyrights accomplish the first goal; giving away slices of the airwaves serves the second. " | Dec 29 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | "No one doubts that these monopolies are sometimes necessary to stimulate innovation. Hollywood could not survive without a copyright system; privately funded drug development won't happen without patents." | Dec 29 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | "But if history has taught us anything, it is that special interests—the Disneys and Pfizers of the world—have become very good at clambering for more and more monopoly rights." | Dec 29 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | "Copyrights last almost a century now, and patents regulate "anything under the sun that is made by man," as the Supreme Court has put it. This is the story of endless bloat, with each round of new monopolies met with a gluttonous demand for more." --Larry Lessig | Dec 29 11:21 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I'm looking for some professional advice. | Dec 29 11:21 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I'm a student in Computer Information Systems, and I'm looking for a good field to specialize in after graduation. | Dec 29 11:22 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I read about Bioinformatics, Cheminformatics, Geoinformatics.. etc. | Dec 29 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | I think the industry is frozen for a while | Dec 29 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | Quite a few years | Dec 29 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | Entering a phase of "socialism" at the moment. It comes in waves and a mate of mine with 3 Masters confirmed this last week. | Dec 29 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | I think it's universal, not just a US thing. | Dec 29 11:25 |
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| Omar87 | Because of the financial crisis? | Dec 29 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Dec 29 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | I call it the Depression | Dec 29 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | Because it seems likely to be similar. | Dec 29 11:26 |
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| Omar87 | So, where do you suggest I go? | Dec 29 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure. | Dec 29 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | My brother studies computer science too. | Dec 29 11:27 |
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| Omar87 | So, at this level, can we say that the world's economy has reached its leap? | Dec 29 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of people are in denial | Dec 29 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | I speak to people at the gym for example | Dec 29 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | I want to see what they absorb from the biased media that tries to keep them calm | Dec 29 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | To deny that 10.2 trillion in debt (the US) is acceptable is to deny that China has powers to become the next US | Dec 29 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | The problem I have is, the US has nukes. | Dec 29 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | It's also run by greedy fanatics | Dec 29 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | There are lots of good people there, but they are routinely silenced. | Dec 29 11:33 |
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| Omar87 | So does the US having nukes seem like a problem to you? | Dec 29 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | On the bright selfish side (for me), there won't be many product announcements in the coming year. When loans are not given and the US industry is at a standstill, there is numbing of other economies too. So I think we'll be seeing more and more dysphoric headlines in 2009 (compared to 2008) | Dec 29 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: they justify other nations having them too | Dec 29 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | They must disarm and bury them. China has nuclear submarines too. | Dec 29 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | I don't trust the Obama cabinet either. They have people like Biden and Rahm Emanuel at the centre. They are pro-war. | Dec 29 11:38 |
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| Omar87 | So, as I understood it, you believe that the US must disarm and get rid of their own nuclear weapon system before preventing other nations from having them? | Dec 29 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Of course. | Dec 29 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Look how it worked with the Soviets (USSR) | Dec 29 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Same with patents | Dec 29 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Bury yours, others will do. | Dec 29 11:39 |
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| Omar87 | That's true. | Dec 29 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | It's grred | Dec 29 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | Patents are promoted by suits without the ability to write a "hello world program" | Dec 29 11:39 |
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| eupho | USSR? One down, one to go... | Dec 29 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | There's greed for power and control too, thus the creation of weapons of mass destruction | Dec 29 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | The country with the most "Weapons of Mass Destruction" is the United States of America | Dec 29 11:40 |
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| Omar87 | If the US buries their nuclear systems, people like Iran won't find any other reason to develop theirs. | Dec 29 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 29 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | Else, it's hypocritical. | Dec 29 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Daddy, why can't I drink beer if you do?" | Dec 29 11:41 |
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| Omar87 | "because you are still a kid, and kids don't drink beer, son!" | Dec 29 11:42 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 29 11:42 |
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| schestowitz | Like yourself, I studied computer science. | Dec 29 11:42 |
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| schestowitz | Software Engineering to be precise | Dec 29 11:42 |
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| schestowitz | At the time, people's concern was to do well with employment | Dec 29 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | But priorities have changed (and will change) | Dec 29 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | The 2000/99 bubble was locvalised | Dec 29 11:43 |
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| Omar87 | You get employed quickly and in a good firm? | Dec 29 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | It mostly affected technology | Dec 29 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | That too has passed | Dec 29 11:43 |
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| Omar87 | You *mean*.. | Dec 29 11:43 |
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| eupho | This is where computing comes in: Europe has to aim for information and oil authrarky | Dec 29 11:43 |
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| eupho | autark | Dec 29 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | But this one lower demand for technology because it's broader | Dec 29 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: I had offers, but I didn't go into employment that's full time | Dec 29 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | I quit my last job in March 2006 | Dec 29 11:44 |
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| eupho | Free software means no one can control it | Dec 29 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | I used to have 2 simultaneous jobs beforehand | Dec 29 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | My time was better spent doing other stuff. | Dec 29 11:45 |
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| Omar87 | So how do you suggest I plan for my future? | Dec 29 11:45 |
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| schestowitz | But I never dropped out of anything. | Dec 29 11:45 |
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| schestowitz | eupho: what do you mean by the oil remark? | Dec 29 11:45 |
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| schestowitz | eupho: Free software suits people's needs at this time | Dec 29 11:45 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: I don't know exactly. | Dec 29 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | Same about my brother | Dec 29 11:46 |
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| eupho | Energy dependencies, the Arabs, the Bush, the Russians | Dec 29 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | He's about your age. | Dec 29 11:46 |
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| eupho | Same for software dependencies | Dec 29 11:46 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Do you think I should not worry so much about employment? | Dec 29 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | Oil and software alike? | Dec 29 11:46 |
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| eupho | Omar, you should not follow the herd | Dec 29 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: people are treated in some places as though it's an emergency scenario | Dec 29 11:47 |
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| eupho | It is difficult to make us energy independent. | Dec 29 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | Look at the US bailout | Dec 29 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | It's looting | Dec 29 11:47 |
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| eupho | Software is no big deal | Dec 29 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | But they can't evacuate people out of their home, as that would exacerbate. | Dec 29 11:47 |
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| eupho | I mean, imagine one billion for a free software fund | Dec 29 11:48 |
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| eupho | One billion is nothing | Dec 29 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | So those who can't pay back their loans will be recruited or something | Dec 29 11:48 |
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| Omar87 | eupho: This is what I'm trying my best *NOT* to do. | Dec 29 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | What I fear is that without a house or money they'll be tempted into military service. | Dec 29 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | eupho: don't they have the pipes coming from Iran? | Dec 29 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | I don't see how EU is affected by the US re: oil | Dec 29 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | Besides, they might increasingly trade in Euro | Dec 29 11:49 |
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| eupho | What does public administration spent on MS Office vs. what does it cost to fund OpenOffice | Dec 29 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | Software is mini money | Dec 29 11:49 |
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| eupho | and stimulate competition | Dec 29 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | Compare that to oil or housing. | Dec 29 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | Trillions you're looking at... | Dec 29 11:49 |
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| Omar87 | eupho: One thing about me is that I hate complete and blind obedience, which results in lots of problems. | Dec 29 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | Free Software, to me at least, is an enabler | Dec 29 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | It also educated people. | Dec 29 11:50 |
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| eupho | Here I agree with Richard Stallman | Dec 29 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | Stallman was doing activism before he even did the computer hacking. | Dec 29 11:50 |
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| eupho | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pos... | Dec 29 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | A laptop fell into his lap to enable his to do other things. | Dec 29 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | metaphorically speaking (laptop) | Dec 29 11:50 |
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| *schestowitz reads the Wiki | Dec 29 11:51 |
| eupho | Post-scarcity is a useful concept. | Dec 29 11:51 |
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| schestowitz | Interesting article. Bookmarked for later. | Dec 29 11:52 |
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| schestowitz | When was scarcity lost and why. *That's* the question. | Dec 29 11:52 |
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| eupho | I mean, ensure that we all have houses, get us energy independent | Dec 29 11:53 |
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| eupho | Problem solved | Dec 29 11:53 |
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| schestowitz | "I hereby announce oxygen not Free" | Dec 29 11:53 |
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| schestowitz | "Those who can't afford it will be impoverished" | Dec 29 11:53 |
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| eupho | Politicians think email is strange because its "for free" | Dec 29 11:53 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 29 11:53 |
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| eupho | ok you pay the ISP. | Dec 29 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | Got refs for that? | Dec 29 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | Like a quote? | Dec 29 11:54 |
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| eupho | But what about wireless mesh networks | Dec 29 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | I know.. | Dec 29 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | It's not centralized enough. | Dec 29 11:54 |
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| eupho | You don't really need ISPs | Dec 29 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | How do you disconnect someone? | Dec 29 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | What about spying? | Dec 29 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | Than agin... | Dec 29 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | Think about it. They can't conduct surveillance where face-to-face engagements are involved | Dec 29 11:54 |
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| eupho | So from a post scarcity point of view we about to enter paradise. | Dec 29 11:55 |
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| eupho | But politicans find the fruits hang to low | Dec 29 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | So to stop TERROR~1 they would need to make /EVERY/ interaction centralised | Dec 29 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | Which renders it moot | Dec 29 11:55 |
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| eupho | information is different from physical goods | Dec 29 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | Politicians = those paid by monopolists | Dec 29 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | IOW, politicians are typically spokespeople for those poised to lose the most. | Dec 29 11:56 |
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| eupho | just think of the music industry. I mean, what is bad about sharing music to fill the needs of the people | Dec 29 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | eupho: value is judged by perception | Dec 29 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | Whatever one is willing to pay | Dec 29 11:56 |
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| eupho | Ah, the artists are starving | Dec 29 11:56 |
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| eupho | and the poor collective societies | Dec 29 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | So information too can have a price tag | Dec 29 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | WIPO, WHO, etc. ensure that. | Dec 29 11:56 |
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| eupho | and the government gets taxes when we buy CDs | Dec 29 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | Cures to illnesses are for sale too | Dec 29 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/12/we... | Dec 29 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | To borrow the RMS-type sayings, "these people should be prosecuted to prison" | Dec 29 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | Crimes against humanity | Dec 29 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | eupho: that's why I try not to use and buy CDs | Dec 29 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | I use the network to pass information around | Dec 29 11:58 |
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| eupho | Just as a thought model. Why not try a "copyright piracy" scenario? | Dec 29 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | There's more to it | Dec 29 11:58 |
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| eupho | And pay Cliff Richard an annual compensation. | Dec 29 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | Copyright permits justification for tracking | Dec 29 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | With tracking comes censorship | Dec 29 11:58 |
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| eupho | okokok | Dec 29 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | Look how USENET comes under attack by Coumo and other white-collar thugs. | Dec 29 11:59 |
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| trmanco | :| | Dec 29 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: true. | Dec 29 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | USENET servers are getting more scarce. | Dec 29 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | They try to starve it because it's not centralised | Dec 29 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's like meshes | Dec 29 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's people communicating freely and there is no ability to intercept information via messengers | Dec 29 12:00 |
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| trmanco | didn't some companies accuse Usenet of being the door to pedophilia ? | Dec 29 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | These issues are /far/ more considerable than those that involve software and hardware | Dec 29 12:00 |
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| trmanco | for* | Dec 29 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | h/w and s/w are infrastructures mostly for communication | Dec 29 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | Data storage too, after all, is means of communication (or making comms /available/) | Dec 29 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: they accuse USENET or many things. They don't try to separate good from bad. They also ruined Wikipedia and block some access because of pedophelia | Dec 29 12:02 |
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| trmanco | ... | Dec 29 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | As in, they pretty much labeled the whole thing "pedophelia" because of some CD cover with a girl. | Dec 29 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | Be sure they hate Wikipedia too | Dec 29 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | It lacks control. It's like anarchism to them. | Dec 29 12:03 |
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| trmanco | what | Dec 29 12:09 |
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| trmanco | again | Dec 29 12:09 |
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| trmanco | they faked you again | Dec 29 12:09 |
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| trmanco | they can't even get to Quote right | Dec 29 12:09 |
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| trmanco | or he* | Dec 29 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | Where? | Dec 29 12:10 |
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| trmanco | is that you? | Dec 29 12:10 |
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| trmanco | COLA | Dec 29 12:10 |
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| trmanco | no pgp sig | Dec 29 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | Where? | Dec 29 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | I post from GG for a while | Dec 29 12:11 |
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| trmanco | oh ok, I'll shut up then | Dec 29 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing I can do about it. | Dec 29 12:13 |
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| trmanco | what is the problem? | Dec 29 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. It's back! http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Sci... | Dec 29 12:15 |
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| trmanco | forget it, I found the post where you say the problem | Dec 29 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: just downtime | Dec 29 12:15 |
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| trmanco | ok | Dec 29 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | The admin is abroad for xmas | Dec 29 12:15 |
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| trmanco | sorry for the hype, I just thought you got faked again | Dec 29 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | "A computer-generated paper has been accepted for the 2008 International Conference on Computer Science and Software Engineering (CSSE). This important conference has also invited the "author" to chair a session on the subject Towards the Simulation of E-commerce." | Dec 29 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | The notion of confs is aged | Dec 29 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | People have email, skype etc. | Dec 29 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | Trade shows too assume that information can hardly be passed around. | Dec 29 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | "Having received a TomTom ONE 125 from my wife, for Christmas, I was disappointed to find that your company was so far behind the times as to expect that a connected computer would ONLY be running a Microsoft operating system. " | Dec 29 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | Amazing. They use Linux to make the product, but don't support desktop Linux, Same with Motorola. | Dec 29 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | "Such behavior, in this day and age, is tantamount to a slap in the face to all the intelligent people in America and in the world who have decided to choose an alternative that does not require massively expensive equipment to run and exorbitant continued fees to maintain." | Dec 29 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | "Due to software issues, our TomTom HOME program is not compatible with Linux and we do not have any software available for it at this time. We currently only have software available for Windows 2000, XP, Vista (latest service packs recommended), and Mac OS X 10.3.9 or higher. We apologize for any frustration this may cause." | Dec 29 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | So they even support Macs, but supporting the very same platform that they exploit is out of the question. | Dec 29 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | "I very much want others to see just how customers are treated when it comes to the choice of operating system for their home computers. To be compelled, without prior warning, to have to use an insecure, buggy, and extremely expensive operating system is absurd. That’s right - NO warning. " | Dec 29 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | "Nothing on the box notes any requirement for a Windows operating system in order for the device to fully function in the manner suggested in their literature. Ignorance MIGHT be an excuse, except that others have also drawn to the attention of TomTom the fact that Linux exists. " | Dec 29 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | "Therefore, such behavior is unconscionable in the extreme - a blatant ignoring of a significant population of computer users and potential customers. And worse, this shows that they are ignoring the fact that they are operating the TomTom ONE using Linux..." | Dec 29 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | Amazing. | Dec 29 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | "TomTom uses Linux. But TomTom doesn’t want to acknowledge that, and therefore ignores potential customers. Or, perhaps it’s more than ignoring potential customers. For example, there is the publically demonstrated behavior of Microsoft. " | Dec 29 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | Computerworld (IDG) sells out to Microsoft some more. See the Flash at the top left: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/271830/smal... | Dec 29 12:34 |
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| trmanco | TomTom | Dec 29 12:34 |
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| schestowitz | TomBoy | Dec 29 12:34 |
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| trmanco | doesn't that use some GPL'ed code? | Dec 29 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think it violate GPL | Dec 29 12:35 |
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| trmanco | I'm still catching up | Dec 29 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | *violates | Dec 29 12:35 |
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| trmanco | hmm | Dec 29 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | They do what some other Linux moochers do | Dec 29 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | It remains to be seen if Palm Nova is another Windows/Mac-only junk like Palm OS | Dec 29 12:35 |
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| trmanco | Symbian kinda sucks too | Dec 29 12:36 |
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| trmanco | it is like Windows | Dec 29 12:36 |
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| trmanco | you get a crapload of viruses | Dec 29 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | ComputerWorld is IDG, which gets paid by Microsoft through IDC. The level of favouritism is always astounding. | Dec 29 12:37 |
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| trmanco | if you don't have good protection | Dec 29 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | Sybmian is badly made. | Dec 29 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | Even its owner, Nokia, seems to steer away from it. | Dec 29 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | I can't imagine it has the notion of user privileges | Dec 29 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | Psion.. | Dec 29 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | Where are they now? Threatening to sue sites which say "netbook" | Dec 29 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | I actually tried to find that trademark some months ago | Dec 29 12:38 |
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| trmanco | I have no idea | Dec 29 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | Someone in IRC warned that it was a trademark | Dec 29 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | I couldn't use that lousy USPTO site. | Dec 29 12:38 |
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| trmanco | I was me Ithink | Dec 29 12:39 |
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| trmanco | you even said that you use sub netbook instead of netbook | Dec 29 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.internetling.com/2008/12/28/deb... | Dec 29 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: no, it was someone from Russia | Dec 29 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | Wikipedian. | Dec 29 12:40 |
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| trmanco | oh ok | Dec 29 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | I could use a lookup | Dec 29 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | I thought Intel owned "netbook" | Dec 29 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure about ULPC and MID | Dec 29 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | I just write sub-notebook | Dec 29 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/12/28... | Dec 29 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leo... "Apple's said it's taking a break from adding flashy features to OS X to focus on the foundations and stability of the system with Snow Leopard, and this latest leaked screenshot might indicate that those foundations are moving to 64 bits" | Dec 29 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | OSX has some trouble ATM | Dec 29 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | Macs crashing after updates... the Macs fans seem shy to talk about it. Apple will surely try to control perception using damage control, just like Microsoft always does | Dec 29 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | Watch how Microsoft corrupted British media: http://philbull.livejournal.com/49517.html | Dec 29 12:44 |
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| trmanco | excuse me | Dec 29 12:45 |
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| trmanco | WMP, no way | Dec 29 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | They promote Microsoft | Dec 29 12:46 |
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| trmanco | *LOL* | Dec 29 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | The UK is a lost cause | Dec 29 12:46 |
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| trmanco | "* Silverlight support should be available via the Mono Moonlight project, but the video wouldn't play after I installed the plugin." | Dec 29 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | Like the US | Dec 29 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | Moonlight is part of the scam | Dec 29 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | Make Linux 'not work' while telling Web developers that Silver Lie is a Good Thing(C) because it 'supports' Linux. | Dec 29 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | The least we can do is expose Microsoft's behaviour for what it is. | Dec 29 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | About slogging to control standards and ruin competitors. | Dec 29 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | Rememeber the Gates E-mails. | Dec 29 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | Some of his people wanted to make thing interoperable. | Dec 29 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | HE OBJECTED | Dec 29 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | It's people like his who are the thugs who go against common sense and fairness to screw competition. | Dec 29 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | I put the E-mails here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12... | Dec 29 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | Gates: "In one piece of mail people were suggesting that Office had to work equally well with all browsers and that we shouldn’t force Office users to use our browser. This Is wrong and I wanted to correct this." | Dec 29 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | Gates: "Another suggestion In this mail was that we can’t make our own unilateral extensions to HTML I was going to say this was wrong and correct this also." | Dec 29 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | Translation: "we must ruin the Web so that it only works with Windows" | Dec 29 12:50 |
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| schestowitz | And some people still call Gates their 'idol' | Dec 29 12:50 |
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| schestowitz | Surely they are brainwashed by his media channels that he owns or invests in. | Dec 29 12:50 |
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| *eupho has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") | Dec 29 12:54 |
| schestowitz | This deserves more emphasis: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/7/20081225/ttc-re... | Dec 29 12:54 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Dec 29 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | Greeks?!!? Where? | Dec 29 12:59 |
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| trmanco | the official press release -> http://www.redhat.com/about/news/pr... | Dec 29 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | They can exaggerate there, by selection | Dec 29 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | Very few people actually dig down these things. | Dec 29 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | Journalists are lazy and complacent... until they get laid off, which they do now. | Dec 29 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | They are fed by PR agencies like W-E, have ghostwritten junk and they always, always conform, or else some big company will get them fired | Dec 29 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | Show me ONE journalist, other than Los Angeles Times, saying that Gates Foundation is used to funnel 'moneys; | Dec 29 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | Either the editor will strike that out or company attack the publication and try to get the reporter in trouble. | Dec 29 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | That's the issue with bought 'consensus', which is wrong. Like "world is flat..." | Dec 29 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | So here's the plan: | Dec 29 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | 1. Expose the brokenness of the journalistic structure | Dec 29 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | 2. Show that analysts are inherently corruptible. Their opinions are frequently bought | Dec 29 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | 3. Then, say the truth and provide evidence to support it. | Dec 29 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | The same strategy is used to highlight bias in the media where politics is concerned (often people's lives are at stake) | Dec 29 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | Example: Tibet | Dec 29 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | From 'our' media we will hear about the horrible Chinese. | Dec 29 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | Not about people and protesters from Tiber killing CHinese people | Dec 29 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | Because remember... China is VERY EVIL... because it can buy all those American companies and become the big superpower | Dec 29 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | Conversely, well... | Dec 29 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | There's also the olypic games and the torth | Dec 29 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | Like a couple of stunts in a crowd of million is actually newsworthy. They show only what they want to show to support a distorted POV. | Dec 29 13:07 |
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| PetoKraus | my friend is in turkey with his family right now | Dec 29 13:08 |
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| PetoKraus | youtube censored. Geocities censored | Dec 29 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I heard | Dec 29 13:08 |
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| PetoKraus | http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?i... | Dec 29 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | I thought they had lifted the ban. | Dec 29 13:08 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, why of all the pages in the world, would you ban geocities?!? | Dec 29 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. | Dec 29 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | I have some old pages in Geocities | Dec 29 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | Some site I built when I was 15... | Dec 29 13:09 |
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| PetoKraus | me as well | Dec 29 13:09 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, same here... at about 13 for me though | Dec 29 13:09 |
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| PetoKraus | www.peterkraus.0nyx.com was my one when I was 15yo | Dec 29 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://img126.imageshack.us/img1... Heh. | Dec 29 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | Onyx | Dec 29 13:10 |
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| PetoKraus | i used to use iframes quite a lot back then :) | Dec 29 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | Good job | Dec 29 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | I used framesets | Dec 29 13:10 |
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| PetoKraus | nah, it was lame | Dec 29 13:10 |
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| PetoKraus | static... | Dec 29 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | Posledná zmena: 22.08.2005 | Dec 29 13:10 |
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| PetoKraus | last change ;) | Dec 29 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Dec 29 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't touched mine in like 10 years | Dec 29 13:11 |
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| PetoKraus | those caricatures are from my friend :) | Dec 29 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | From Turkey? j/k | Dec 29 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | What other sites do they block? | Dec 29 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | I'm sure they find excuses for it. | Dec 29 13:11 |
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| PetoKraus | dunno | Dec 29 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | Like... disrespecting some politicians | Dec 29 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | We should ban restaurants too | Dec 29 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | There might be pedophiles dining there. | Dec 29 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | We should also ban subways | Dec 29 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | There are sometimes terrorists there | Dec 29 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | Then... I know! Let's ban air | Dec 29 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | It can contain lethal gas | Dec 29 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | And then we'll live in a happy world | Dec 29 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | No YouTube, no air... | Dec 29 13:13 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Dec 29 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | Emphasis: "may" :-D | Dec 29 13:13 |
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| PetoKraus | it's important people realise restrictions are not good | Dec 29 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | This *may* be harmful, if used improperly | Dec 29 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | Let's chop carrots with our teeth | Dec 29 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | Selling kitchen knives can lead to marder. | Dec 29 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | *murder | Dec 29 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | Let's ban cars | Dec 29 13:14 |
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| PetoKraus | hehe, my mother's long time friend bought a bed for her and her husband | Dec 29 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | They can be used to commit suicide/homicide (accident of exhaust pipe) | Dec 29 13:14 |
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| PetoKraus | it's nice, mahogany | Dec 29 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | Mahogany? | Dec 29 13:15 |
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| PetoKraus | and it has this pneumatic lifting mechanism to access storage | Dec 29 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Ha. | Dec 29 13:15 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, the wood | Dec 29 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | My parents have something similar, I think. | Dec 29 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Just not the wood thing | Dec 29 13:15 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway, she lifted it up an my mother said | Dec 29 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | People value wood like they value other stupid things. | Dec 29 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Like gold watches. | Dec 29 13:15 |
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| PetoKraus | "well, your husband now doesn't even have to make effort to get you" | Dec 29 13:15 |
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| PetoKraus | because yeah, the mechanism lifts the bed to just | Dec 29 13:16 |
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| PetoKraus | perfect position to have sex on | Dec 29 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | "I hereby announce you my wife... " "What is this, silver??" Wah Wah!! You don't love me" | Dec 29 13:16 |
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| PetoKraus | AND IT's FORBIDDEN!!! IN TFM!!!! | Dec 29 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | TFM?!? | Dec 29 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 29 13:16 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, she said she thought about that herself when she was reading the manual for the bed | Dec 29 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | Okay, okay.. | Dec 29 13:17 |
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| PetoKraus | it was mentioned as "no jumping, sitting, or dynamic movements when the compartment is lifted" | Dec 29 13:17 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Dec 29 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | What if kids read this, PetoKraus ? | Dec 29 13:17 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: time to grow up | Dec 29 13:17 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm not virgin killer ۩ | Dec 29 13:18 |
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| PetoKraus | ;) | Dec 29 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | IWF is. | Dec 29 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | What is IWF? | Dec 29 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | Internet Watch something? | Dec 29 13:18 |
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| PetoKraus | VirginKiller! :) | Dec 29 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | Libel in Wikipedia? Not a problem. | Dec 29 13:18 |
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| PetoKraus | f*nny | Dec 29 13:18 |
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| PetoKraus | and since they are in britain, proper, british one! | Dec 29 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | CD covers? Well, then they need to block articles about Parliament, global warning and other 'pedophile' content. | Dec 29 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | Proper *LOL* funny word here. | Dec 29 13:19 |
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| PetoKraus | i missed QoTSA ... | Dec 29 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | "The ext4 filesystem, the successor to the ext3 filesystem, has been marked stable enough for people to start using and relying on," Novell Linux kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman told InternetNews.com. | Dec 29 13:20 |
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| PetoKraus | oh well | Dec 29 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | So Sean Michael Kerner has contacts with Novell... | Dec 29 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | What's QoTSA? | Dec 29 13:20 |
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| *PetoKraus np: Queens of The Stone Age - You Can't Quit Me Baby (Over the Years and Trough the Woods) | Dec 29 13:20 |
| PetoKraus | my favourite band. | Dec 29 13:21 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm reading this Wintel i7 .... advertisement | Dec 29 13:21 |
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| PetoKraus | it's really laughable | Dec 29 13:21 |
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| *schestowitz np: Daddy's Car - The Cardigans | Dec 29 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Weird one. It's on shuffle. | Dec 29 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | Intel will lay off soon. I can sense it. | Dec 29 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | Pretty massive. Maybe they'll manage to create alternative workforce in China. | Dec 29 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | We have a slow year ahead, PetoKraus. I think chemists will be fine because the medical sector has demand driven by illness. People don't get more 'healthy' in slowdowns. | Dec 29 13:25 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't mind slow year | Dec 29 13:25 |
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| PetoKraus | more time to shoot | Dec 29 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | Shoot? | Dec 29 13:26 |
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| PetoKraus | pictures and rabbits | Dec 29 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 29 13:26 |
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| PetoKraus | my friend, that turkish one, wants to go hunting | Dec 29 13:26 |
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| PetoKraus | i've never been. Might be fun. | Dec 29 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | Here's one for you to beat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:L... | Dec 29 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | Classic. | Dec 29 13:26 |
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| PetoKraus | well yeah :D | Dec 29 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | "English: Destitute pea pickers in California, mother of seven children, age thirty-two, in the 1930s." | Dec 29 13:27 |
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| PetoKraus | mother of seven, age 32 | Dec 29 13:27 |
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| PetoKraus | that's nothing | Dec 29 13:27 |
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| PetoKraus | gimme €£10 and i'll get you a picture of a mother of twelve age 30 | Dec 29 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | It symbolises the Great Depression. | Dec 29 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | Another immortal classic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G... | Dec 29 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | This is the full one: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fil... | Dec 29 13:29 |
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| PetoKraus | i like benson's pictures quite a lot | Dec 29 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | The former? | Dec 29 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Dec 29 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | Picture (singular) | Dec 29 13:30 |
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| PetoKraus | he had a exhibition in the gallery in Glasgow this summer | Dec 29 13:31 |
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| *schestowitz searches | Dec 29 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Harry? | Dec 29 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://wwwpetepoetry-bullybuster.blogspot.co... | Dec 29 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Har... | Dec 29 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.glasgowmuseums.com/ | Dec 29 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H... | Dec 29 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | I dunno... | Dec 29 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | The age of autocracy in photography seems to have ended. Now everyone can just point the camera at stuff and let the aperture DoItsThing(C) | Dec 29 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | From mail: "There is no doubt Meeks and the others at Novell in the past did some great development on OOo. But is differerent now. It not like Meeks and his crew "volenteer" and contribute code, or spend 5 months writing up a manual for users for FREE for OOo." | Dec 29 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | "They are paid by Novell, probably make more than us, to develope an alternative to OOo, using all OOo resources for the purpose of destroying OOo.....so that they can advance the MS/Novell agenda.." | Dec 29 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | "[T]he Novell Meeks crew is not collabarating, they could be using the same time and energy on OOo as they did in the past (prior Novell/MS agreement), but choose to create a competing product and aggresively attack the party they used to help..." | Dec 29 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | "The only excuse i have for Meeks, is he works for Novell and needs a paycheck so he might have been forced to go down this path. But that does not make him a friend of our community anymore." | Dec 29 14:02 |
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| MinceR | is ooo gplv3? | Dec 29 14:03 |
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| MinceR | if not, it should be -- that might be a nice angle to attack the .net patent trap from, perhaps | Dec 29 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | lgplv3 | Dec 29 14:05 |
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| MinceR | i wonder if that enforces a patent license for mono... | Dec 29 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | I'll be back in a couple of minutes. | Dec 29 14:45 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 29 14:51:15 2008 |
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Dec 29 14:51 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged] | Dec 29 14:51 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Oct 5 19:20:28 2008 | Dec 29 14:51 |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Dec 29 14:51 |
| *#boycottnovell :[freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | Dec 29 14:51 |
| -NickServ-You are now identified for schestowitz. | Dec 29 14:51 |
| *services. sets mode +e schestowitz | Dec 29 14:51 |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Dec 29 14:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Welcome back. | Dec 29 14:53 |
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| trmanco | :) | Dec 29 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | Once in a couple of weeks Compiz weighs down X, so I give X a kick. | Dec 29 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | 14:54:46 up 74 days, 23:13, 2 users, load average: 0.96, 1.43, 1.63 | Dec 29 14:54 |
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| trmanco | lol | Dec 29 14:55 |
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| trmanco | a couple of weeks? | Dec 29 14:55 |
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| trmanco | more like a couple of months | Dec 29 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | Something like that | Dec 29 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | I don't need to reboot to restart X | Dec 29 14:55 |
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| *trmanco checks shell server's uptime | Dec 29 14:55 |
| trmanco | yeah I know | Dec 29 14:55 |
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| trmanco | 15:05:37 up 33 days, 8:31, 6 users, load average: 1.05, 1.33, 1.38 | Dec 29 14:56 |
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| trmanco | hmm | Dec 29 14:56 |
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| trmanco | just a month for now | Dec 29 14:56 |
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| trmanco | too bad the uptime project died | Dec 29 14:57 |
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| trmanco | :| | Dec 29 14:57 |
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| trmanco | there was a Solaris computers with 6 years of uptime | Dec 29 14:58 |
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| trmanco | computer* | Dec 29 14:58 |
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| trmanco | The guy behind it managed to swap hard drives with it on somehow at about 4 years of uptime | Dec 29 14:58 |
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| trmanco | they hard drive was dying at that moment | Dec 29 14:59 |
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| trmanco | "This was especially true in the Windows 9x days[citation needed], where Windows NT and Windows 2000 users would boast of uptimes of more than 30 days, whereas many real-world Windows 9x installations crashed more often." | Dec 29 15:01 |
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| trmanco | *LOL* | Dec 29 15:01 |
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| trmanco | an OpenVMS machine almost ram 12 years without a reboot :| | Dec 29 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | Hm... This is the beginning of bigger things, e.g.: | Dec 29 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12... | Dec 29 15:02 |
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| trmanco | ran* | Dec 29 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | Intertsing. | Dec 29 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | Did the project really die? | Dec 29 15:02 |
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| trmanco | yes | Dec 29 15:02 |
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| trmanco | it died in 2007 | Dec 29 15:03 |
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| trmanco | who is Doug Mentohl | Dec 29 15:03 |
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| trmanco | ? | Dec 29 15:03 |
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| trmanco | there is a news uptime project though http://www.uptimes-project.org/ | Dec 29 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | How as the project funded or --rather--what did it achieve? | Dec 29 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | To put this differently, projects die if they are almost useless. | Dec 29 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | I run BN because I think it's helpful and it's fun | Dec 29 15:16 |
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