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| _Hicham_ | here is a funny picture : http://ardenne-informatique.com/~nekrof... | Mar 14 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | guy gets caught masturbating to warcraft < http://www.youtube.com/w... > | Mar 14 00:01 |
| balzac | heheh | Mar 14 00:11 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : where have u been? | Mar 14 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | Playing warcraft? | Mar 14 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | it is weird that balzac stays silent :-/ | Mar 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | balzac: playing /your/ warcraft | Mar 14 00:16 |
| _Hicham_ | total silence | Mar 14 00:22 |
| _Hicham_ | what is going on? | Mar 14 00:23 |
| _Hicham_ | everybody is sleeping or what? | Mar 14 00:23 |
| _Hicham_ | Linux is counting on u ... | Mar 14 00:23 |
| _Hicham_ | wake up all of u | Mar 14 00:23 |
| _Hicham_ | :D | Mar 14 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Are these people taking the piss? "1998: Richard Stallman, kind of like your step dad, shaves his beard. It grows back to the same fullness the next day." http://i.gizmodo.com/5169216/h... | Mar 14 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: here's a beardless RMS, in case you ever wondered: http://www.vivalinux.com.ar/a... | Mar 14 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | "With the Zypad device, which runs a Linux operating system, one can access a remote host system through integrated wired or wireless interfaces." http://news.cnet.com/8301-1363... | Mar 14 00:32 |
| _Hicham_ | RMS looks different without a beard | Mar 14 00:38 |
| _Hicham_ | i wouldn't recognize him without a beard | Mar 14 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Yes, same here. | Mar 14 00:42 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what I'd look like with a beard. | Mar 14 00:42 |
| Balrog_ | RMS without a beard? | Mar 14 00:42 |
| Balrog_ | he has one now, right. | Mar 14 00:43 |
| schestowitz | I can grow a blonde goatee, but not a beard. | Mar 14 00:43 |
| Balrog_ | lol | Mar 14 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, but watch the trolls from LifeHackers | Mar 14 00:43 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure it's trolling | Mar 14 00:43 |
| schestowitz | They sort of ignore GNU | Mar 14 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Then they have a picture of RMS claimed that he shaved it off in 1998. Is it true? | Mar 14 00:43 |
| Balrog_ | I doubt it | Mar 14 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Bdale garbee had Linus shave in beard in LCA 2009. | Mar 14 00:44 |
| schestowitz | RMS is like Samson. Without his beard he's try Adobe Flash or something. | Mar 14 00:44 |
| schestowitz | That's the 'Delilah' | Mar 14 00:44 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : if the beard isnt black you re ok | Mar 14 00:46 |
| _Hicham_ | otherwise u ll be a terrorist | Mar 14 00:46 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 14 00:47 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: only in the west, I think. | Mar 14 00:47 |
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| seller_liar | a good history about bluej and crazy micrtosofttt | Mar 14 00:50 |
| seller_liar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi... | Mar 14 00:51 |
| Balrog_ | stupid | Mar 14 00:52 |
| Balrog_ | copying someone else's work and attempting to patent it. :x | Mar 14 00:52 |
| seller_liar | and this is done in 2005! | Mar 14 00:53 |
| Balrog_ | and they try patenting ~1yr later | Mar 14 00:53 |
| Balrog_ | :X | Mar 14 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: yes, bluej went GPL | Mar 14 00:56 |
| schestowitz | GPLv3 maybe | Mar 14 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Just weeks ago | Mar 14 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Which is great! | Mar 14 00:56 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: no, It's gplv2+classpath | Mar 14 00:56 |
| ha, I wonder if M$ would have dropped their patent nonsense had they known bluej would go gpl | Mar 14 00:56 | |
| schestowitz | hey, twitter | Mar 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Seen the Novell story in /.? | Mar 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Check out the comments. Bruce is being funny | Mar 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | And some Turfers attack me | Mar 14 01:01 |
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| _Hicham_ | Roy : I saw an article in which they say that u are under arrest :D | Mar 14 02:33 |
| _Hicham_ | u r very suspicious :) | Mar 14 02:33 |
| _Hicham_ | :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D | Mar 14 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Mar 14 02:34 |
| schestowitz | Would that be an article calling me a murderer? | Mar 14 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Or a child molester? | Mar 14 02:35 |
| schestowitz | or some other fairly tale they made up? | Mar 14 02:35 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, as a child molester | Mar 14 02:38 |
| _Hicham_ | :D | Mar 14 02:39 |
| _Hicham_ | http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/NEWS-... | Mar 14 02:39 |
| _Hicham_ | really funny | Mar 14 02:39 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Mar 14 02:39 |
| _Hicham_ | i like people who made things up, they just show how silly they are | Mar 14 02:39 |
| schestowitz | They even pointed to a non-extent address. | Mar 14 02:39 |
| _Hicham_ | and give me a chance to laugh | Mar 14 02:40 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Mar 14 02:40 |
| schestowitz | They tried to refute my posts | Mar 14 02:40 |
| _Hicham_ | the address doesnt exist | Mar 14 02:40 |
| schestowitz | It's too hard for them | Mar 14 02:40 |
| schestowitz | Then they try to find embarrassing things about it | Mar 14 02:40 |
| schestowitz | *about me | Mar 14 02:40 |
| schestowitz | They can't, either | Mar 14 02:40 |
| schestowitz | So they need to start 'manufacturing' stuff, planting it in the intrawebbies. | Mar 14 02:40 |
| _Hicham_ | hahaha | Mar 14 02:42 |
| _Hicham_ | they are gonna blow up | Mar 14 02:42 |
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| _Hicham_ | Roy : are u living in the uk? | Mar 14 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 14 02:53 |
| _Hicham_ | have u met Mark Shuttleworth personally? | Mar 14 02:53 |
| schestowitz | No, not that it would matter, either | Mar 14 02:54 |
| _Hicham_ | why not? | Mar 14 02:55 |
| schestowitz | I mailed him sevral times | Mar 14 02:55 |
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| _Hicham_ | are u in London? | Mar 14 02:55 |
| schestowitz | No, up north | Mar 14 02:55 |
| _Hicham_ | Edinburgh? | Mar 14 02:55 |
| schestowitz | No, [H]omer_ is around there | Mar 14 02:57 |
| _Hicham_ | it must be badly cold right now | Mar 14 02:58 |
| schestowitz | Na, quite all right. It's spring already | Mar 14 03:00 |
| _Hicham_ | i heard that it is always raining and cold in the uk | Mar 14 03:01 |
| _Hicham_ | is that true? | Mar 14 03:01 |
| _Hicham_ | and most of all foggy | Mar 14 03:01 |
| schestowitz | Myths | Mar 14 03:05 |
| schestowitz | Like US is all rich | Mar 14 03:05 |
| schestowitz | Or China eats cockroaches | Mar 14 03:05 |
| schestowitz | Or "basketball is for black people" | Mar 14 03:06 |
| schestowitz | And so on... | Mar 14 03:06 |
| schestowitz | Stigmas | Mar 14 03:06 |
| _Hicham_ | but those stereotypes are sometimes fun | Mar 14 03:10 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: Hey roy , is it possible to open a page in wiki entitled projects and plans? | Mar 14 03:13 |
| schestowitz | Sure, sure. | Mar 14 03:17 |
| schestowitz | Go ahead and put anything in that your find suitable. | Mar 14 03:17 |
| seller_liar | ok , thank you very much | Mar 14 03:17 |
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| mib_5ee5yh | cool site | Mar 14 04:26 |
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| oiaohm | I wish next gcc would get out in wild so wine 64 bit could get out and about. | Mar 14 06:55 |
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| oiaohm | Planète Béranger seams to be going through a nice big refersal. Looking he looking at Linux again. | Mar 14 07:50 |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/20... << MS Opps we using ARM. | Mar 14 08:11 |
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| ZiggyFish | schestowitz: have you seen the IE8 FUD that Microsoft has now <http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar... | Mar 14 09:11 |
| ZiggyFish | Report <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/det... | Mar 14 09:11 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, Beranger would do that | Mar 14 09:32 |
| schestowitz | I swore he would come back. He begged for attention... like when ht moved to BSD | Mar 14 09:32 |
| schestowitz | ZiggyFish: yes, seen it. Microsoft history of lying says it all. Also, they test it on Windows :-D http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde... (see top [part) | Mar 14 09:33 |
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| oiaohm | olpc going arm is a more interesting one. schestowitz | Mar 14 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Yes, they might try to chase it | Mar 14 10:24 |
| schestowitz | Is Windows easily portable to other archs? | Mar 14 10:24 |
| schestowitz | (i doubt it) | Mar 14 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Core of windows not that hard. | Mar 14 10:25 |
| oiaohm | reactos already has a arm port. | Mar 14 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Applications for windows eep. | Mar 14 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Mar 14 10:26 |
| schestowitz | But the core Windows apps they can recompile | Mar 14 10:26 |
| schestowitz | ..Though... | Mar 14 10:26 |
| oiaohm | ppc was done for windows in the past. | Mar 14 10:26 |
| schestowitz | What would be the point if all WIndows apps are sold as x86 binaries? | Mar 14 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Almost no applications for ppc windows was released. | Mar 14 10:26 |
| schestowitz | The whole "it runs Windows apps" argument goes down the s*tter | Mar 14 10:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, beat me to it! | Mar 14 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Or worse poor windows users having to put up with cpu selection requirements they never had to before. | Mar 14 10:28 |
| oiaohm | O well it will kill that dead argument that Linux supports too many cpu types from some camps. | Mar 14 10:29 |
| amarsh04_ | funnily enough, linux no longer supports 80386 (without 80387), nor sparc32 | Mar 14 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel can still be made run on 80386 | Mar 14 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Distributions choose not to. | Mar 14 10:30 |
| oiaohm | When you pull up 386 top speed quite understandable. | Mar 14 10:31 |
| amarsh04_ | yes, or people just run (or continue to run) old kernels if they still use hardware that old | Mar 14 10:31 |
| oiaohm | There are still some specialised distributions out there for 80386 | Mar 14 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Normally for sat work. | Mar 14 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Yes that is 2.6 series kernels. | Mar 14 10:31 |
| amarsh04_ | when I worked at <censored> they also used 80376 chips (protected mode only version of i386) | Mar 14 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | Not even Debian supports it? | Mar 14 10:34 |
| *schestowitz looks for links. | Mar 14 10:34 | |
| schestowitz | http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Kernel%20Co... | Mar 14 10:34 |
| amarsh04 | not in Lenny. Etch supported sparc32 iirc | Mar 14 10:34 |
| schestowitz | http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Architecture | Mar 14 10:34 |
| amarsh04 | windows nt at one time supported DEC Alpha, MIPS, and PowerPC cpus | Mar 14 10:35 |
| oiaohm | debain draws line at i486 something | Mar 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | http://widefox.pbwiki.com/CPU | Mar 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | That' the chart I had in mind | Mar 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Watch the Y/N comparison | Mar 14 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Intergrated maths processor makes live lot less painful. | Mar 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | It ridicules Windows. | Mar 14 10:36 |
| amarsh04 | I was running Debian on a Cyrix "686" which was a 486 compatible | Mar 14 10:37 |
| oiaohm | There is a error there. m88k is support by Linux in uclinux a off line branch. | Mar 14 10:38 |
| amarsh04 | so it appears that sparc32 is still supported in the kernel, but I wasn't able to find a sparc32 distro with current kernel | Mar 14 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Lack of sparc32 processors to test with amarsh04 | Mar 14 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say working sparc32 processes are getting a little hard to get hands on. | Mar 14 10:42 |
| amarsh04 | In 2003 I was still using an ss10 at work | Mar 14 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Even Sun seems to be distancing self from SPARC | Mar 14 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Debain sparc32 disappeared due to lack of maintainers. | Mar 14 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Not that it will not work. | Mar 14 10:44 |
| amarsh04 | grub2 has just had sparc support added back in | Mar 14 10:45 |
| oiaohm | There are sparc users still out there | Mar 14 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Just not in large numbers amarsh04 needed to maintain a distribution. | Mar 14 10:46 |
| amarsh04 | my work sparcstation10 had 2 * 50 MHz cpus and 224 MiB RAM... I compiled gcc 3.3 on it once when sunfreeware only had gcc 3.2 and earlier | Mar 14 10:46 |
| amarsh04 | even with cross-compilation there would be a certain slowness in verifying that compiled code worked on sparc32 | Mar 14 10:47 |
| oiaohm | http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Scheduler Look at the bottom of the page. | Mar 14 10:50 |
| amarsh04 | lots of the schedulers have been mainlined since the 2.6.22 kernel | Mar 14 10:54 |
| oiaohm | I was refering to the scheduler lag. | Mar 14 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | Nice picture: http://www.siriusit.co.uk/myblog/... | Mar 14 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Haha. Here they go... "America's first federal chief information officer has been placed on leave after one of his former employees was arrested for alleged IT bribery." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... | Mar 14 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | Did you know you can get # of pageviews on Groklaw articles through the search facility, e.g. http://www.groklaw.net/search.php?query=lyon... ? | Mar 14 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Different | Mar 14 14:11 |
| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Mar 14 14:12 |
| oiaohm | fine | Mar 14 14:13 |
| trmanco | uh oh | Mar 14 14:19 |
| trmanco | I would say this if I were them -> "In fact, we'll give €£100 to anyone who can write a Malbolge clone of the Emacs psychotherapist Eliza (m-x-doctor)." | Mar 14 14:19 |
| trmanco | wouldn't | Mar 14 14:23 |
| trmanco | ahh, crap... <would not> geesh | Mar 14 14:23 |
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| mib_7seokl | hihi | Mar 14 14:23 |
| mib_7seokl | hihi | Mar 14 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Hi mib_7seokl | Mar 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 14 14:25 |
| had to laugh at this. Not one big Suse customer all quarter, http://www.crn.com/software/215900219 | Mar 14 14:29 | |
| have not had time to look at BN, but I'm sure you covered something as obvious as that and I'm sure you did it better. | Mar 14 14:30 | |
| bbl | Mar 14 14:30 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, Doug made a funny post about it | Mar 14 14:30 |
| schestowitz | (in USENET, moments ago) | Mar 14 14:31 |
| schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.... | Mar 14 14:31 |
| schestowitz | "Once you get your own hardware and software in the living room, you have a customer for life. Earth to Ron come in Ron Hovsepian ... " | Mar 14 14:31 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | Mar 14 14:59 |
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| amarsh04 | hi Hicham | Mar 14 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Hi. | Mar 14 15:01 |
| amarsh04 | hi schestowitz... bad drop-out rate at my end over the last 30 hours or so | Mar 14 15:08 |
| trmanco | https://answers.edge.launchpa... | Mar 14 15:14 |
| trmanco | wow | Mar 14 15:14 |
| trmanco | this little answer just gave me 600 karma pois :-O | Mar 14 15:14 |
| trmanco | points* | Mar 14 15:14 |
| schestowitz | I saw patch/release to it | Mar 14 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Something along the lines of a new release that addresses an ICQ issue. I skipped it quickly, so I don't remember. | Mar 14 15:18 |
| trmanco | kopete was having that problem too | Mar 14 15:18 |
| schestowitz | I've not used IM since 2004 (aMSN, to contact family and friends). | Mar 14 15:18 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : aMSN support conferencing now | Mar 14 15:19 |
| trmanco | IM is probably going to die, just see how Laconica and Twitter gain popularity | Mar 14 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Might be | Mar 14 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Alvaro was implementing themes when I last used it | Mar 14 15:20 |
| schestowitz | It was on SUSE 8.1 | Mar 14 15:20 |
| trmanco | social stuff might be the future | Mar 14 15:20 |
| trmanco | aMSN is going to be rewritten in Python Ithink | Mar 14 15:21 |
| schestowitz | bkuhn messages me yesterday | Mar 14 15:21 |
| schestowitz | *ssaged | Mar 14 15:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/con... :-) Thanks for posting. http://boycottnovell.com/20... | Mar 14 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | Document Freedom is coming it less than 2 weeks < http://www.ossblog.it/post/4716/docu... > | Mar 14 15:34 |
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| mib_dnkgzn | hi friends | Mar 14 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Hey there. | Mar 14 15:42 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Mar 14 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Three reasons Microsoft shouldn't port Windows to the ARM processor -- Despite pressures, Microsoft shouldn't yield, analysts say" < http://www.computerworld.com/action/arti... > | Mar 14 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | Someone says HP will put some SLED on mini-laptops. H-P has already got its own variant of GNU/Linux for these machines/form factor and it's based on Ubuntu (Debian). Wouldn't SLE be 'heavy'? | Mar 14 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Amsterdammed: Linden Lab to Segregate "Adult" Content in Second Life to Red Light Continent (Real Life ID Required) < http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/03/r... > | Mar 14 16:03 |
| schestowitz | 45,000 Mexican military personnel have been dispatched to centers of drug violence across the country to stamp out the growing violence. < http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/1313... > | Mar 14 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Anonymity getting the boost: Why Tor is slow and what we're going to do about it < https://blog.torproject.org/blog... > | Mar 14 16:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... "Opposition parties are today renewing calls for a proper investigation into the Iraq war because a Freedom of Information request has revealed senior officials were concerned about how the intelligence was presented." | Mar 14 16:06 |
| schestowitz | The Kindness of Strangers < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv... > Schneier on a society that wants to keep people isolated. | Mar 14 16:08 |
| schestowitz | UK Music Biz Labels Google ‘Cynical And Exploitative’< http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419... > | Mar 14 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Bad guys finish last: MPAA Matches RIAA In Massive Layoffs < http://techdirt.com/articles/2... > | Mar 14 16:13 |
| schestowitz | David Wood on the pseudo-open Symbian: http://blog.symbian.org/2009/03/... They should really give up on software patents already. They have caused so much damage at Nokia. | Mar 14 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Matt Asay parrots Microsoft big liars: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1... Does he not know ClickStream is MS employees? | Mar 14 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | So You Think This Is A Democracy? < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv... > UK ambassador on democracy that doesn't exist. (not even in the US and UK where polyarchy prevails) | Mar 14 16:18 |
| schestowitz | The new European Commission < http://www.euractiv.com/en/opinion/new-e... >. Will they get rid of Charlie McCreevy, at last? | Mar 14 16:20 |
| schestowitz | How GCPedia will save the public service < http://eaves.ca/2009/03/12/how... > | Mar 14 16:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor... "MS does not simply want to 'weaken the foundations of open source', they want to kill free software and the GPL. That is their ultimate goal." | Mar 14 16:29 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: The other COLA[nnounce]: A number of sites have posted copies of the original posting on comp.os.linux.announce < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story... > | Mar 14 16:36 |
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| trmanco | cool | Mar 14 16:48 |
| _Hicham_ | that was the time when debian was just starting | Mar 14 16:52 |
| _Hicham_ | or it hasn't even started | Mar 14 16:52 |
| _Hicham_ | there was just slackware, right? | Mar 14 16:52 |
| _Hicham_ | I am compiling mplayer right now | Mar 14 16:53 |
| _Hicham_ | compilation takes a lot of time | Mar 14 16:53 |
| _Hicham_ | im glad that gcc is supporting precompiled headers | Mar 14 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Debian started in 2993? | Mar 14 16:54 |
| schestowitz | *1992 | Mar 14 16:54 |
| _Hicham_ | in 1994 i think | Mar 14 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes, that sounds like it may be right | Mar 14 16:54 |
| _Hicham_ | slackware in late 1993 | Mar 14 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Depends what milestone you mark | Mar 14 16:54 |
| _Hicham_ | slackware is the oldest distro | Mar 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | It's rather dumb how they announced Linux to be 15 | Mar 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Because that was a while ago | Mar 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | They re-celebrate birthdays based on different events. | Mar 14 16:55 |
| _Hicham_ | i think 1.0 is the official version | Mar 14 16:55 |
| _Hicham_ | not what linus wrote | Mar 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I'm not sure if it's true | Mar 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: the first distro was made right here | Mar 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | MCC | Mar 14 16:55 |
| _Hicham_ | MCC? | Mar 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | By Owen Le Blanc | Mar 14 16:55 |
| schestowitz | I worked with him, sort of | Mar 14 16:56 |
| _Hicham_ | in the UK? | Mar 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz | See the timelines in Wikipedia | Mar 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: first combination of GNU and Linux | Mar 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz | From FTP | Mar 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz | I worked at MCC for about 7 years | Mar 14 16:56 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Mar 14 16:56 |
| _Hicham_ | and u dont use it now? | Mar 14 16:56 |
| schestowitz | No, MCC is the place | Mar 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Also distro name | Mar 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Owen uses Debian now, I think | Mar 14 16:57 |
| _Hicham_ | why did u drop it? | Mar 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz | The job? It wasn't worth is anymore | Mar 14 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I quit a while ago. I had 2 jobs there. | Mar 14 16:58 |
| _Hicham_ | no, I mean the distro | Mar 14 16:58 |
| schestowitz | One in April 2006 because I wanted to concentrate on finishing my thesis | Mar 14 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Then I left another role in Sept. 2007 | Mar 14 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Because I finished pretty much everything on campus | Mar 14 16:58 |
| _Hicham_ | ah, i see | Mar 14 16:59 |
| _Hicham_ | and now mcc is abandoned for good? | Mar 14 16:59 |
| schestowitz | It's renamed | Mar 14 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Was the 'gunman warning' a hoax? < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1... >. I reckon computer games do play a role. | Mar 14 17:00 |
| _Hicham_ | what is its name now? | Mar 14 17:00 |
| _Hicham_ | i read in wikipedia that its users were urged to migrate to Debian | Mar 14 17:00 |
| Eruaran | hello | Mar 14 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Fun gallery: MP3 Players: Whose is Smallest? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161... > | Mar 14 17:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtontimes.com/ne... "The Justice Department on Friday jettisoned the term "enemy combatant" and said the president does not have the authority to order detainees held at the military prison at Guantanamo Bay. " | Mar 14 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Memorise this: ***00000099#* (How to open many keypad-access doors < http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2009/... >) | Mar 14 17:08 |
| Eruaran | I think I've just heard the best cover of John Lennons Imagine ever | Mar 14 17:09 |
| Eruaran | Neil Young live on the piano doing it right | Mar 14 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Anything on Youtube? | Mar 14 17:10 |
| Eruaran | haven't looked... probably though.. this is on tv right now here | Mar 14 17:10 |
| Eruaran | I'm watching Rage... the all night music program that has been on ABC1 here since the 80's | Mar 14 17:11 |
| Eruaran | Been through a bunch of Beck clips, Elliot Smith and now Neil Young | Mar 14 17:11 |
| Eruaran | A bit of Aimee Mann | Mar 14 17:11 |
| Eruaran | Rage is still the best | Mar 14 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Is Apple’s mystery product a netpad? < http://www.deviceguru.com/is-a... > | Mar 14 17:12 |
| schestowitz | g2g bbl | Mar 14 17:12 |
| Eruaran | Friday nights Rage covers new material and on Saturday nights it tends to cover a more ecclectic mix, sometimes with guest programmers covering particular artists... | Mar 14 17:13 |
| Eruaran | bb | Mar 14 17:13 |
| Eruaran | Doing Leonard Cohen now... | Mar 14 17:22 |
| Eruaran | Rage songlist tonight is from Bill Callahan (Smog) | Mar 14 17:23 |
| _Hicham_ | i installed the latest svn version of mplayer | Mar 14 17:40 |
| _Hicham_ | it works like a charm | Mar 14 17:40 |
| Eruaran | hello _Hicham_ | Mar 14 17:40 |
| _Hicham_ | hi Erauaran | Mar 14 17:40 |
| _Hicham_ | how r u doing? | Mar 14 17:40 |
| Eruaran | ah not bad | Mar 14 17:40 |
| Eruaran | hows things in your part of the world | Mar 14 17:41 |
| _Hicham_ | it is going well, thank u Eruaran | Mar 14 17:41 |
| _Hicham_ | mplayer is the only player in the world | Mar 14 17:41 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no equivalent player | Mar 14 17:41 |
| _Hicham_ | have anyone found an equivalent player? | Mar 14 17:42 |
| Eruaran | I haven't used MPlayer in ages | Mar 14 17:44 |
| Eruaran | Never seems to work right for me | Mar 14 17:44 |
| Eruaran | KMPlayer works though | Mar 14 17:44 |
| Eruaran | I use KMPlayer to record streams | Mar 14 17:44 |
| _Hicham_ | KMplayer is based on mplayer | Mar 14 17:46 |
| _Hicham_ | it is just a frond end | Mar 14 17:46 |
| _Hicham_ | i used other players | Mar 14 17:48 |
| _Hicham_ | VLC, Totem, Xine, and some Windows only players | Mar 14 17:49 |
| _Hicham_ | but mplayer is still the greatest of all | Mar 14 17:49 |
| _Hicham_ | oh, God, when will the day come when gnash can replace adobe flash player? | Mar 14 17:50 |
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| Eruaran | yes, but for some reason I can never get much productivity out of vanilla mplayer | Mar 14 18:07 |
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| Eruaran | I would like to see Adobe open up flash | Mar 14 18:07 |
| Eruaran | I think if they feel under pressure enough from Silverlight at any stage then they will | Mar 14 18:08 |
| _Hicham_ | i dont think so | Mar 14 18:17 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy is busy | Mar 14 18:32 |
| _Hicham_ | too sad that gnash still doesnt work | Mar 14 18:34 |
| _Hicham_ | i imagine how u would look with a beard Roy | Mar 14 18:36 |
| _Hicham_ | u should try a beard | Mar 14 18:36 |
| Eruaran | lol | Mar 14 18:37 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: here ? | Mar 14 18:38 |
| MinceR | facial hair is overrated. | Mar 14 18:38 |
| Eruaran | he's afk atm | Mar 14 18:40 |
| Eruaran | I have facial hair | Mar 14 18:40 |
| _Hicham_ | like RMS? | Mar 14 18:40 |
| Eruaran | no | Mar 14 18:41 |
| _Hicham_ | we should all become like RMS | Mar 14 18:41 |
| Eruaran | not like that :P | Mar 14 18:41 |
| _Hicham_ | or like Torvalds | Mar 14 18:41 |
| _Hicham_ | we have to choose a camp | Mar 14 18:41 |
| _Hicham_ | the camp of beards | Mar 14 18:41 |
| _Hicham_ | or the camp or razors | Mar 14 18:41 |
| Eruaran | I'm not into high maintenance beards | Mar 14 18:41 |
| _Hicham_ | :D | Mar 14 18:41 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy is silent O:-) | Mar 14 18:42 |
| _Hicham_ | must be eating | Mar 14 18:42 |
| tacone | or sleeping. | Mar 14 18:42 |
| _Hicham_ | i think that everyone is sleeping in here | Mar 14 19:01 |
| _Hicham_ | not just Roy | Mar 14 19:01 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not night yet for Roy | Mar 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Just got back | Mar 14 19:18 |
| schestowitz | tacone: what's up? | Mar 14 19:18 |
| tacone | hey schestowitz, i just was wondering if spashtop is compatible with linux. | Mar 14 19:18 |
| tacone | is it ? | Mar 14 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: I think now | Mar 14 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran would know about Express Gate | Mar 14 19:19 |
| tacone | http://compraonline.mediaworld.it/web... | Mar 14 19:19 |
| tacone | *Express Gate è disponibile solo per la versione Windows XP | Mar 14 19:20 |
| tacone | (available only on winxp) | Mar 14 19:20 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0... | Mar 14 19:20 |
| Eruaran | There is no linux installer | Mar 14 19:20 |
| schestowitz | ASUS: “Currently, We’re Closely Tied up With Microsoft” < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/2... > | Mar 14 19:20 |
| tacone | seems like i don't read bn enough | Mar 14 19:20 |
| tacone | lol | Mar 14 19:20 |
| tacone | how does all that mixes with the fact is patented ? | Mar 14 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Not sure it's related | Mar 14 19:22 |
| tacone | and the only competitor is novell's made dell's bios ? | Mar 14 19:22 |
| tacone | i'm sure it's not related. it's just an unfortunate mix. | Mar 14 19:22 |
| Eruaran | I think Express Gate may violate the GPL | Mar 14 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 14 19:22 |
| schestowitz | I think so | Mar 14 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Hold on | Mar 14 19:23 |
| schestowitz | I'll find a zdnet thing | Mar 14 19:23 |
| Eruaran | If you want to install it, you are required to install a proprietary operating system first. | Mar 14 19:23 |
| tacone | :-( | Mar 14 19:23 |
| Eruaran | Its artificially tied to Windows. | Mar 14 19:23 |
| schestowitz | I can't find it | Mar 14 19:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&a... | Mar 14 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Anyway. it's about them slicing it | Mar 14 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Half is FOSS, the rest proprietary | Mar 14 19:26 |
| schestowitz | So the patented part might be totally proprietary, just not marketed as such | Mar 14 19:26 |
| Eruaran | yes | Mar 14 19:26 |
| tacone | they are very open to developers | Mar 14 19:26 |
| tacone | that sort of reminds of google | Mar 14 19:26 |
| schestowitz | They've already violated GPL | Mar 14 19:26 |
| schestowitz | With the Xandros thing | Mar 14 19:26 |
| tacone | public api to get advantage of a ultra-proprietary thing. | Mar 14 19:27 |
| schestowitz | They were asked to correct this | Mar 14 19:27 |
| schestowitz | They did | Mar 14 19:27 |
| schestowitz | And they put up some page about it | Mar 14 19:27 |
| Eruaran | It puts GPL software in a 'black box' situation | Mar 14 19:27 |
| Eruaran | It violates the four laws | Mar 14 19:27 |
| schestowitz | GPL comprehension/respect is poorer in the east | Mar 14 19:27 |
| schestowitz | http://lists.gpl-violations.org/piper... ASUS SplashTop and Phoenix Hyperspace infringing kernel copyright and GPL | Mar 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | GPL = copyright privileges | Mar 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | "SplashTop's so-called source code (http://www.splashtop.com/download3...) contains a few patches to the Linux kernel but not the whole, compilable modified kernel source code as the GPL requires. This clearly constitutes a copyright violation." | Mar 14 19:28 |
| schestowitz | ASUS SplashTop is a GPL violation, unless they have fixed it < http://lists.gpl-violations.or... > | Mar 14 19:29 |
| tacone | nice to know. | Mar 14 19:30 |
| Eruaran | With Express Gate you don't have "The freedom to run the program, for any purpose", you don't have "" | Mar 14 19:30 |
| Eruaran | etc | Mar 14 19:30 |
| tacone | A splashtop round up would be nice. | Mar 14 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I think so | Mar 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | I'll bring it up | Mar 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Got to take a shower now anyway | Mar 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | brb | Mar 14 19:31 |
| tacone | :-) | Mar 14 19:31 |
| tacone | bye | Mar 14 19:31 |
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| Eruaran | I love KPackageKit's integration with System Settings | Mar 14 19:39 |
| _Hicham_ | is Splashtop usable on every computer? | Mar 14 19:42 |
| tacone | on every computer with windows O:-) | Mar 14 19:43 |
| tacone | _Hicham_: splashtop is a linux embedded in the motherboard | Mar 14 19:43 |
| tacone | that means you get it with the motherboard. you can't install it on a computer which didn't come with it ? | Mar 14 19:44 |
| tacone | err | Mar 14 19:44 |
| tacone | (was not a question, "?" is a typo) | Mar 14 19:44 |
| _Hicham_ | i see | Mar 14 19:44 |
| _Hicham_ | it is in the rom memory then | Mar 14 19:45 |
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| _Hicham_ | i just installed latest kernel | Mar 14 19:56 |
| balzac | -_- | Mar 14 20:05 |
| schestowitz | would be interesting when you can upgrade/change /a/ kernal | Mar 14 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Like switching from GNU Hurd to Linux and vice versa transparently | Mar 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Like KHTML and Webkit or Gecko | Mar 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Interview: Ralph Nader Says We're Living Under Corporate Fascism < http://consumerist.com/373394/interview-... > | Mar 14 20:10 |
| balzac | schestowitz: there's a kernel function called kexec that might be useful for that sort of thing, but only switching between various linux kernels | Mar 14 20:13 |
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| balzac | Hurd is so out of date with modern hardware, may as well just be run as a VM or on older hardware. | Mar 14 20:14 |
| balzac | PIII perhaps | Mar 14 20:14 |
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| *schestowitz digs into ACTA. Ugly stuff! | Mar 14 20:19 | |
| balzac | I just switched from Gnome to XFCE | Mar 14 20:26 |
| balzac | I read a review by Bruce Byfield which mentioned some nice features | Mar 14 20:26 |
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| balzac | hey Balrog_ | Mar 14 20:27 |
| Balrog_ | hey | Mar 14 20:27 |
| balzac | I have to say, the default system font in XFCE is a bit blurry and small | Mar 14 20:27 |
| Balrog_ | adjust the font-rendering settings | Mar 14 20:27 |
| balzac | adjusting... | Mar 14 20:29 |
| balzac | I found some font settings under appearance | Mar 14 20:30 |
| _Hicham_ | hi balzac | Mar 14 20:30 |
| balzac | Also, what are the keyboard shortcuts for filling the screen with various windows? | Mar 14 20:30 |
| balzac | hey _Hicham_ | Mar 14 20:31 |
| _Hicham_ | how is it compared to gnome? | Mar 14 20:31 |
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| balzac | snappier when I switch themes | Mar 14 20:31 |
| balzac | nice so far, but I want the system font to be more crisp, less anti-aliased | Mar 14 20:32 |
| MinceR | that might be a function of your hinting settings | Mar 14 20:33 |
| balzac | where can I find those settings? | Mar 14 20:33 |
| MinceR | dunno | Mar 14 20:33 |
| MinceR | if you have a font settings dialog, it's there | Mar 14 20:34 |
| MinceR | then again, xfce uses gtk which should use the same settings as under gnome | Mar 14 20:34 |
| MinceR | so i don't know what's up | Mar 14 20:34 |
| balzac | Maybe I just need to find a font which looks good without antialiasing | Mar 14 20:34 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : use DejaVu | Mar 14 20:35 |
| balzac | I see the hinting now, MinceR | Mar 14 20:35 |
| _Hicham_ | the font setting should be in appearance | Mar 14 20:35 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: I'll try it | Mar 14 20:35 |
| _Hicham_ | same as gnome i think | Mar 14 20:35 |
| balzac | I'm getting a good result using just sans with full hinting | Mar 14 20:36 |
| _Hicham_ | Sans is great font | Mar 14 20:37 |
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| balzac | The only thing is that the system font doesn't seem to change the application font. FF3 has blurry menu items, while the title-bar is now crisp. | Mar 14 20:38 |
| balzac | I know I'm not using the right terminology. I'm restarting FF to see what happens. | Mar 14 20:38 |
| balzac | that did it | Mar 14 20:39 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : whick distro is this? | Mar 14 20:39 |
| balzac | the restart of FF made the new font take hold | Mar 14 20:39 |
| balzac | Ubuntu, Jaunty Jackelope | Mar 14 20:39 |
| balzac | what got me looking for another desktop was a few different things | Mar 14 20:39 |
| balzac | the alpha of jaunty I upgraded to didn't start gnome-wm by default, so I had windows without borders or title bars | Mar 14 20:39 |
| balzac | I had to run that command to have any window borders | Mar 14 20:40 |
| balzac | then, I was trying some key-bindings and wondering, why are certain key-bindings not available to be reconfigured? | Mar 14 20:40 |
| balzac | then I read Bruce Byfields review of xfce 4.6 and was reminded of how snappy it is, plus you can make windows maximize to fill available space, up against other window borders | Mar 14 20:41 |
| balzac | I like that feature | Mar 14 20:41 |
| balzac | now I'm curious about how customizable are the key-bindings | Mar 14 20:41 |
| balzac | now I just want more unixy-looking window borders | Mar 14 20:42 |
| _Hicham_ | do u have a laptop or desktop? | Mar 14 20:45 |
| balzac | I'm configuring my desktop now | Mar 14 20:45 |
| _Hicham_ | is it a strong machine? | Mar 14 20:46 |
| *schestowitz almost done typing rubbish :-) | Mar 14 20:46 | |
| balzac | relatively | Mar 14 20:46 |
| *schestowitz hates doing Saturday posts | Mar 14 20:47 | |
| balzac | Thunar is pretty configurable | Mar 14 20:48 |
| _Hicham_ | thunar is great | Mar 14 20:48 |
| balzac | I've always got to have my text-based path, not the silly buttons in a row representing the path | Mar 14 20:48 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : Vista took that from Gnome | Mar 14 20:49 |
| tacone | no-evil ? | Mar 14 20:49 |
| tacone | being no-evil is no-fun. | Mar 14 20:49 |
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| _Hicham_ | does thunar have tab support? | Mar 14 20:50 |
| balzac | doesn't seem to | Mar 14 20:51 |
| seller_liar | a better privacy chrome | Mar 14 20:52 |
| seller_liar | srware.net | Mar 14 20:53 |
| _Hicham_ | it is still just for Windows | Mar 14 20:55 |
| _Hicham_ | they didnt do much then | Mar 14 20:56 |
| _Hicham_ | they took the code and compile it | Mar 14 20:56 |
| _Hicham_ | what i call real fork is to port chrome to linux | Mar 14 20:56 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : what graphic card do u have? | Mar 14 20:57 |
| balzac | not sure. it's my work computer and it doesn't belong to me. | Mar 14 20:57 |
| balzac | Also, it's a consumer-grade HP desktop with a "club HP" button, search, email, and help keys. | Mar 14 20:58 |
| balzac | I'm not excited enough about this computer to have really inspected it. | Mar 14 20:58 |
| balzac | One of these days, I'm going to treat myself to a new hotrod desktop | Mar 14 20:59 |
| balzac | but first a new full-sized notebook | Mar 14 20:59 |
| _Hicham_ | do they allow to install linux on work machines? | Mar 14 21:00 |
| balzac | that was the first thing I did | Mar 14 21:00 |
| balzac | I didn't use it until I had erased Vista | Mar 14 21:00 |
| schestowitz | OK, done. | Mar 14 21:00 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes | Mar 14 21:00 |
| schestowitz | But I renamed it | Mar 14 21:00 |
| tacone | oh | Mar 14 21:01 |
| schestowitz | If Novell screws up, then this needs to be said, so it's no longer sucking up to Novell | Mar 14 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I also didn't want to commit to just Saturday | Mar 14 21:01 |
| *tacone is correcting Chromium on Ubuntu article | Mar 14 21:01 | |
| schestowitz | These posts may seem spurious, BUT | Mar 14 21:01 |
| schestowitz | They are valuable when I need to go back and check who Novell is connected to | Mar 14 21:01 |
| tacone | right. | Mar 14 21:02 |
| schestowitz | It also helps document Novell's many move while it goes out of existence | Mar 14 21:02 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I will post about SplashTop probably tomorrow | Mar 14 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Also ACTA | Mar 14 21:02 |
| schestowitz | And martin Bean | Mar 14 21:03 |
| tacone | nice. | Mar 14 21:03 |
| schestowitz | (Microsoft shill... CompTIA bastard) | Mar 14 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Estrella Roja, un sistema operativo por la revolución < http://www.radiomundial.com.ve/y... > | Mar 14 21:04 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : why splashtop violates GPL? | Mar 14 21:04 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: unless they fixed it, they wrap it around with blobs | Mar 14 21:04 |
| schestowitz | But I'll need to check | Mar 14 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they contribute back all the changes to the GPL parts | Mar 14 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Either way, Express gateway is using Linux not necessarily to help it | Mar 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Like phone makers that make Linux phones.. WITHOUT support for Linux desktop | Mar 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Same with TomTom BTW | Mar 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: is Estrella Roja known in Brazil? | Mar 14 21:06 |
| schestowitz | It looks really nice. They renamed... from Red Star IIRC | Mar 14 21:06 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : what can we do if GPL is violated? | Mar 14 21:07 |
| schestowitz | balzac: Iraqi shoe-thrower sentenced to three years in jail < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009... > | Mar 14 21:07 |
| balzac | Donate to the SFLC? | Mar 14 21:07 |
| balzac | Roy, he deserves a medal of honor instead. | Mar 14 21:08 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I've already informed them | Mar 14 21:08 |
| schestowitz | balzac: yes, swap places with George | Mar 14 21:08 |
| balzac | Free Muntadar al Zaidi | Mar 14 21:08 |
| schestowitz | George should be sued for leading to distress, which in turn cost a man 2 shoes | Mar 14 21:08 |
| balzac | Jail Bush for life | Mar 14 21:08 |
| _Hicham_ | who is gonna listen | Mar 14 21:09 |
| _Hicham_ | Zaidi's ribs are all broken | Mar 14 21:09 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: none of the people in the 'justice' depts | Mar 14 21:09 |
| _Hicham_ | they almost killed him | Mar 14 21:09 |
| _Hicham_ | they kicked his ass in front of the president | Mar 14 21:09 |
| schestowitz | What? | Mar 14 21:09 |
| tacone | and broke his wrist | Mar 14 21:09 |
| schestowitz | What's that? Hubris? | Mar 14 21:09 |
| _Hicham_ | Zaidi | Mar 14 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Why in front of the president? | Mar 14 21:10 |
| balzac | The sword of Damocles is hanging from a thread over Bush's neck | Mar 14 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Mar 14 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Bush? | Mar 14 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Sounds saddistic. | Mar 14 21:10 |
| _Hicham_ | bush and malki | Mar 14 21:10 |
| schestowitz | What for? | Mar 14 21:10 |
| _Hicham_ | at the moment when he threw the shoes | Mar 14 21:10 |
| _Hicham_ | didnt u see the video? | Mar 14 21:10 |
| schestowitz | That's feudalistic. | Mar 14 21:10 |
| balzac | They beat the hell out of al Zaidi right in the midst of the press conference after he threw his shoes. | Mar 14 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like something from medieval books | Mar 14 21:10 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Mar 14 21:10 |
| _Hicham_ | and who cares? | Mar 14 21:11 |
| _Hicham_ | no one talks about that | Mar 14 21:11 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: I'm going to have a t-shirt made | Mar 14 21:11 |
| _Hicham_ | what democracy bush is talking about? | Mar 14 21:11 |
| _Hicham_ | beat someone almost to death because he is so desperate? | Mar 14 21:11 |
| schestowitz | There are bigger problems: Severe global warming will render half of world's inhabited areas unliveable, expert warns < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment... > | Mar 14 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Let's just assume the world is of infinite supply and an infinite garbage dump | Mar 14 21:12 |
| balzac | Ok, I'll finish my political commentary by saying waterboard Bush. | Mar 14 21:12 |
| _Hicham_ | global warming is caused by G7 | Mar 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Bush doesn't understand democracy | Mar 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | The US is not a democracy | Mar 14 21:12 |
| balzac | waterboard Bush until he confesses his treachery against America. | Mar 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Factually speaking | Mar 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | "Democracy" in the US is reason for wars | Mar 14 21:12 |
| _Hicham_ | i would kill bush if i could | Mar 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I don't think he hates America | Mar 14 21:13 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: luckily you're saying that from the relative safety of Morocco | Mar 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | He's just a devout person. | Mar 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Obsession with thy Lord and stuff. | Mar 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | That's risky for a president in a largely secular country | Mar 14 21:13 |
| balzac | Roy, Bush hates America with a fiery passion. | Mar 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | balzac: a lot of people feel this way | Mar 14 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | It doesn't mean intent | Mar 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | It's emotion rather | Mar 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Difference between doing something and wanting to do something | Mar 14 21:14 |
| _Hicham_ | bush should (at least) be put on trial | Mar 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I doubt it. Why would he hate it? | Mar 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | It gave him a lot | Mar 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, agreed. This is bizarre | Mar 14 21:15 |
| balzac | Bush was never a legitimate president, only a malevolent resident of the White House. His 8 years should be referred to as "The Interegnum". | Mar 14 21:15 |
| schestowitz | The US has committed many terroristic crimes for decades and not once did the UN manage to bring one to the tribunal | Mar 14 21:15 |
| schestowitz | The technical grounds would be disregard for law | Mar 14 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Simply things like use of banned weapons-- knowingly | Mar 14 21:15 |
| balzac | Roy, don't ask me to explain why Bush deliberately undermined our national security and our economy for 8 years straight. | Mar 14 21:16 |
