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| schestowitz | Let me get the ref | Apr 08 17:12 |
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| DaemonFC | disable updates means no bug fixes | Apr 08 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Slated has it | Apr 08 17:12 |
| MinceR | better yet, pull the plug when you boot it | Apr 08 17:13 |
| PeterKraus | DaemonFC: virtual machine :P | Apr 08 17:13 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i remember | Apr 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | It was shown that Windows updates regardless or settings | Apr 08 17:13 |
| PeterKraus | DaemonFC: the only thing i use is skype | Apr 08 17:13 |
| PeterKraus | if skype provided 64b version.... | Apr 08 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | PeterKraus: Do you figure I could pass my webcam through a VM and have Windows see it | Apr 08 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | as a guest? | Apr 08 17:13 |
| MinceR | hm, does anyone here know where do their updates from? (dns and/or ip address) | Apr 08 17:13 |
| MinceR | (especially the more sneaky ones) | Apr 08 17:13 |
| PeterKraus | DaemonFC: i think you should | Apr 08 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | I remember seeing a USB pass through option in Virtual Box | Apr 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if that would do it | Apr 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | Adobe's Flash for Linux can't access a microphone | Apr 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | so I can't do Ustream | Apr 08 17:14 |
| MinceR | i've seen usb passthrough in qemu/kvm too | Apr 08 17:14 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : Adobe flash can access the microphone | Apr 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | not on X86-64 | Apr 08 17:15 |
| MinceR | why don't you try the 32bit flash then? | Apr 08 17:15 |
| PeterKraus | there we go | Apr 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | I did | Apr 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | in 32-bit Firefox no less | Apr 08 17:15 |
| MinceR | also, the pile of hacks you did about audio might have influenced it too :> | Apr 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | no, Adobe lists it as a flash bug | Apr 08 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | It would be nice if I could force the world to stop being stupid and give up Flash and Windows Live Messenger | Apr 08 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 08 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | keep dreaming | Apr 08 17:17 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 08 17:17 |
| _Hicham_ | DeamonFC : it is not dreaming | Apr 08 17:17 |
| _Hicham_ | if Jabber is marketed well, why not | Apr 08 17:18 |
| _Hicham_ | Jabber needs marketing, just like Firefox | Apr 08 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, it looks like it built | Apr 08 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | now....will it boot? | Apr 08 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 08 17:18 |
| MinceR | will it blend? | Apr 08 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | I backported some 2.6.30 stuff to 2.6.28.9 | Apr 08 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | to hopefully unfuck Pulseaudio without having to go with a later kernel totally | Apr 08 17:19 |
| MinceR | why don't you just configure alsa/dmix? | Apr 08 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | there is no dmix package | Apr 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Yikes! "Spokane County's limits on the sales of phosphates in dishwasher detergent has slowed the flood of pollutants into the Spokane River -- but sped the flood of shoppers into Idaho to get the strong soap" http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworl... | Apr 08 17:20 |
| MinceR | dmix is part of alsa | Apr 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: jabber=cisco | Apr 08 17:21 |
| schestowitz | They have $$ | Apr 08 17:21 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC: why not try the latest 2.6.30? | Apr 08 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Why try s/w in test mode? | Apr 08 17:21 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : are u sure about that? | Apr 08 17:21 |
| schestowitz | he's just trying to break it | Apr 08 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Living on the edge like a rock climber or something, then complains | Apr 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's -rc | Apr 08 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Oh, jaabber.. | Apr 08 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Messagin... | Apr 08 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Explains the Harm Its Zombies Cause (almost all mail is spam): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te... | Apr 08 17:23 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : so there is no open im protocol? | Apr 08 17:24 |
| MinceR | XMPP is still open | Apr 08 17:25 |
| schestowitz | It's a shame that Google neglects GNU in Android. Google built itself on GNU and Free software. Linux was nonetheless important, but it's too misleading... | Apr 08 17:25 |
| MinceR | though cisco might take it in a bad direction | Apr 08 17:25 |
| MinceR | it can be forked | Apr 08 17:25 |
| MinceR | unless sw patents are in the way, of course | Apr 08 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Cisco doesn't play with patents like MS does | Apr 08 17:26 |
| schestowitz | It gets hit by trolls though. | Apr 08 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Students Sue Prosecutor in Cellphone Photos Case < http://www.nytimes.com/... > | Apr 08 17:27 |
| schestowitz | FBI Defends Disruptive Raids on Texas Data Centers < http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2... > | Apr 08 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Change? Obama DOJ invents radical authoritarian theory to defend Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/0... > | Apr 08 17:28 |
| schestowitz | MPAA SHOCKER: “PreVail” Cammer Gets Small Fine, No Jail Time < http://www.zeropaid.com/news/85948/mp... >. What about Cheney? | Apr 08 17:31 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, it worked | Apr 08 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | EFF: Obama DOJ's Warrantless Wiretapping Arguments Are Worse Than Bush's < http://govhealthit.com/articles... > | Apr 08 17:37 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : what worked? | Apr 08 17:38 |
| schestowitz | he perpetuates the Bush policies rather than distance himself from them. Not good... and he spreads the disease to his buddies in the British government too... much like Russian attacked Chechnya backed by precedence of US assaults in the mideast... | Apr 08 17:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: new kernel | Apr 08 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_pre... "Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing." Bollox. Words are cheap. | Apr 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | He already denies access to ACTA | Apr 08 17:42 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : what kernel? | Apr 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Shaking, Rumbling Movie Chair Puts You In The Driver's Seat < http://techdirt.com/articles... > | Apr 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: the HURD | Apr 08 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | ryan@ryan-desktop:~$ uname -a | Apr 08 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | Linux ryan-desktop 2.6.28.9-ryan2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 8 12:07:27 EDT 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux | Apr 08 17:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC is a GNU-luvin chap | Apr 08 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://img512.imageshack.us/i... | Apr 08 17:43 |
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| DaemonFC | I just replaced pcm_lib.c with the one from Takashi Iwai's git | Apr 08 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | (headed for 2.6.30) | Apr 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | You've got to watch this: Video reveals G20 police assault on man who died http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/200... | Apr 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | He dies | Apr 08 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | because the police shoved him for going back home from work | Apr 08 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/0... > | Apr 08 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: More Australian Weather Records Tumble < http://www.desmogblog.com/more-we... > | Apr 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Brutal Murder of Ian Tomlinson < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/arc... > | Apr 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Toshiba OpenSolaris Laptops < http://www.opensolaris.com/t... > | Apr 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz | The day I lost all faith in my country's authorities < http://www.griffindor.org.uk/index2.php?y... > | Apr 08 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | what's the web look like? < http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/a... > | Apr 08 18:00 |
| trmanco | Linux Supports More Filesystems With 2.6.30-rc1: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?... | Apr 08 18:00 |
| schestowitz | "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to ask the Communities Secretary to require that all software produced by councils under the Timely Information to Citizens project be released under an open source licence" http://petitions.number10.gov.... | Apr 08 18:02 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: how about Mac OS X and Windows? Any releases? Any new FSs? | Apr 08 18:02 |
| trmanco | lol | Apr 08 18:02 |
| trmanco | I don't know about mac, but on Windows ntfs hasn't been touched in a while IIRC | Apr 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | There's a striking differece | Apr 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | When I think about installing an OS we have a fun sea of choice | Apr 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | As Apple/Microsoft customers you are TOLD what to move to | Apr 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | There is ONE choice | Apr 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | One filesystem, one 'DE', one level of bloat, same programs, no bootloader... | Apr 08 18:04 |
| trmanco | you always need a boot loader | Apr 08 18:05 |
| *DaemonFC wonders how schestowitz feels about Cedega | Apr 08 18:05 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: re ntfs, they tried to extend it with winfs back in like the 90s (conception) and practically early in the decade | Apr 08 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | They failed badly , so Windows uses an archaic FS | Apr 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I don't use Windows programs | Apr 08 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | NTFS actually supports a lot of modern file system features | Apr 08 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | the most damnable thing about it is how it crams files together | Apr 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yeah, safe mode, normal mode.. | Apr 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Or sem-hidden in the case of Apple PCs[sic] | Apr 08 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | no, in many ways NTFS is more advanced than Ext3, for example | Apr 08 18:06 |
| trmanco | that too, but windows does have a bootloader, but a crappy one | Apr 08 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | it has Extents and Delayed Allocation | Apr 08 18:06 |
| trmanco | DaemonFC, no file permissions is a no no | Apr 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: tell me when Microsoft's bootloaders support what they call "alien" OSes | Apr 08 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Recall DR-DOS... | Apr 08 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | NTFS has file permissions | Apr 08 18:07 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, none | Apr 08 18:07 |
| trmanco | proper file permissions | Apr 08 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/... | Apr 08 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Alien -- how insulting | Apr 08 18:07 |
| schestowitz | As if Microsoft is planet Earth | Apr 08 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | it also supports some POSIX features | Apr 08 18:07 |
| schestowitz | They conquered the planet | Apr 08 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | to the extent required by the Services For UNIX Based Applications subsystem | Apr 08 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Rivals are aliens from another planet. Can't be recognised | Apr 08 18:08 |
| trmanco | Windows server | Apr 08 18:08 |
| trmanco | I'm a normal desktop user | Apr 08 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | technically, the only thing horribly wrong with NTFS is how it crams files together | Apr 08 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | leaving them no room to grow | Apr 08 18:09 |
| trmanco | the filesystem may be the same, but some of the feature are hidden or inexistent in XP for example | Apr 08 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | well yeah, you need the security policy editor | Apr 08 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | which would only be on XP Pro | Apr 08 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | not Home | Apr 08 18:10 |
| trmanco | XO pro | Apr 08 18:10 |
| trmanco | p | Apr 08 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Home Edition is not meant to have the same features as Pro, otherwise you'd have everyone buying the cheap Home Edition | Apr 08 18:10 |
| trmanco | it's hidden | Apr 08 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | introducing product activation is what drove thousands of legitimate customers away | Apr 08 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | but I doubt it's stopped any pirates | Apr 08 18:12 |
| trmanco | German gov't fines Microsoft for 'influencing' Office resale prices: http://www.betanews.com/article/German-g... | Apr 08 18:12 |
| trmanco | cool Virtualbox 2.2 comes with 3d acceleration | Apr 08 18:14 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks, got one already | Apr 08 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | The MS Brown shill: "ODF=nobody read it before yessing, but maybe one day;OOXML=tought fights;revealed JTC 1 procedures were rubbish" | Apr 08 18:18 |
| amd-linux | Roy, I think you already know this news from Germany, but just in case you cont: | Apr 08 18:18 |
| amd-linux | dont | Apr 08 18:18 |
| amd-linux | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Bundes... | Apr 08 18:18 |
| schestowitz | So he's saying it's the rules' fault | Apr 08 18:19 |
| schestowitz | As usual, clearing MS of corruption charges. His dear MS... | Apr 08 18:19 |
| schestowitz | He even sent this to a Microsoft employee | Apr 08 18:19 |
| amd-linux | and the latest browser stats - see the OS usage in the small print on the heise website, a mainstream IT site | Apr 08 18:19 |
| amd-linux | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Fir... | Apr 08 18:19 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: product activation has increased the number of pirates, I feel | Apr 08 18:19 |
| Balrog | people don't want to deal with activation anymore | Apr 08 18:20 |
| trmanco | "At the time the firm was hit by a storm of protest, when many users of Hotmail complained about the free email service's “pathetic” redesign. €®" | Apr 08 18:20 |
| balzac | I cractivated my windows testing environments | Apr 08 18:20 |
| trmanco | Oops: Microsoft wonk hits Live Messenger red button: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... | Apr 08 18:20 |
| balzac | I've bought at least three computers pre-loaded with XP, so BSA, if you're listening, don't even think of messing with me... | Apr 08 18:20 |
| Balrog | balzac: MS isn't getting any more money from me directly. What they get through MSDN subscriptions through the school I can't do anything about. :X | Apr 08 18:21 |
| balzac | I've got three winXP instances running on vbox | Apr 08 18:21 |
| balzac | they won't get another penny from me until Bill Gates does a full mea culpa | Apr 08 18:21 |
| balzac | he must admit that GNU is more powerful than Microsoft | Apr 08 18:22 |
| Balrog | balzac: bill gates isn't at MS anymore | Apr 08 18:22 |
| balzac | still, it would mean more coming from him than anyone else | Apr 08 18:22 |
| Balrog | I'll bbl | Apr 08 18:22 |
| balzac | he's the one who wrote his "Open Letter to Hobbyists" which is quite the opposite from the GNU Manifesto | Apr 08 18:22 |
| Balrog | heh yeah. | Apr 08 18:22 |
| balzac | I only use windows for testing IE6, IE7, and IE8 | Apr 08 18:23 |
| balzac | nothing else | Apr 08 18:23 |
| balzac | I'm coerced by the monopoly status of Microsoft to make my web site templates conform to those browsers | Apr 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | her's still at MS | Apr 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | BillG is corrupting politicians for his baby | Apr 08 18:24 |
| balzac | I agree | Apr 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | So he's busy outside the headquarters | Apr 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I have evidence | Apr 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | See BN for examples | Apr 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | "The Australian government's consumer watchdog, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC), has forced Coca-Cola to take out advertisements in national newspapers to correct its misleading advertisements" < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8325 > | Apr 08 18:24 |
| balzac | I have no doubt at all that he's still feeding his monster | Apr 08 18:24 |
| schestowitz | PearlyG is like the dying newspaper giants | Apr 08 18:25 |
| schestowitz | He knows that corruption or software patents are the only thing keeping his company from floundering in the long term | Apr 08 18:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/W/... "Webopedia Term of the Day: Web as a platform" | Apr 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Palladium as a platform :-) | Apr 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxmail.org/scripts/c... | Apr 08 18:28 |
| schestowitz | They seem to be sort of shutting their doors | Apr 08 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Someone's mailing me about it ATM | Apr 08 18:28 |
| trmanco | Netflix loves/hates Linux: http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=531 | Apr 08 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Who needs Netflix? | Apr 08 18:34 |
| schestowitz | It typically feeds the copyright cartel. | Apr 08 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Bringing Free Software into the European parliament < http://www.sorbaioli.org/2009/04/08/br... > | Apr 08 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | New Gmail Interface for iPhone and Android < http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/07/new-g... > With LinuxMail on its way out, it's saddening to see some few giants devouring people's communication. People should use Web hosts for their mail. | Apr 08 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Google Adds All-Important Java Support To App Engine < http://gigaom.com/2009/04/07/goog... >. No Mono/.NET support from GOOG. | Apr 08 18:42 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : u can use IE on Linux | Apr 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | wot4? | Apr 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | use browsershots.org | Apr 08 18:44 |
| MinceR | via wine, for example | Apr 08 18:45 |
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| *MinceR managed to decode "wot4?" late :> | Apr 08 18:45 | |
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| schestowitz | WordPad in the next Vista has opendocument support | Apr 08 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Rudimentary, obviously. | Apr 08 18:46 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck Vista | Apr 08 18:47 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck MS | Apr 08 18:47 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck their shit | Apr 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Who would? | Apr 08 18:47 |
| _Hicham_ | everyone | Apr 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | You know what Vista means in Latvian, IIRC? | Apr 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it was Maltese... | Apr 08 18:47 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Apr 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | It means "whore" | Apr 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Sounds the same anwyay | Apr 08 18:48 |
| schestowitz | People there couldn't say Vista without busting in laughter at the office | Apr 08 18:48 |
| _Hicham_ | great | Apr 08 18:49 |
| _Hicham_ | Vista is a busty whore by the way | Apr 08 18:49 |
| _Hicham_ | good to fuck :D | Apr 08 18:49 |
| MinceR | i prefer to mkfs ;) | Apr 08 18:49 |
| MinceR | browsershots.org will only work for static content and even of that only the first screenful | Apr 08 18:52 |
| MinceR | and obviously no javascript warnings either :> | Apr 08 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Andy Patrizio, who has a history of shilling for Microsoft, is now using the bogus (selective by design) numbers from NPD to attack Linux | Apr 08 18:53 |
| schestowitz | They are like a big pack of shills jumping for dollars and pretend they don't know what the numbers correspond to | Apr 08 18:53 |
| MinceR | though apparently some of the shots do scroll all the way across the page | Apr 08 18:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: true. | Apr 08 18:54 |
| MinceR | i see a tall galeon shot with 3 scrollbar handles -- it probably scrolled automatically | Apr 08 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has aptly raised a generation of liar-nalists | Apr 08 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Journalists and analysts | Apr 08 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Feeding one another -- data and coverage of it | Apr 08 18:56 |
| schestowitz | They feed them from above.. | Apr 08 18:56 |
| schestowitz | And then watch how the Gartenbergs and Wilcoxes just swap hats and pebble anti-Linux stuff to scare shops and OEMs | Apr 08 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | CMSWire has been peddling ms garbage recently. They are clearly deceived: http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-developmen... | Apr 08 19:08 |
| schestowitz | From Taylor Expansion to the "Taylor graph": http://blogs.zdnet.com/ope... | Apr 08 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.timesonline.co.uk... (New footage shows powerful blow to G20 fatality Ian Tomlinson) | Apr 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | U.K. Police Face Criminal Probe Over G-20 Death Video (Update1) < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p... > | Apr 08 19:25 |
| schestowitz | it's not just in the British news anymore: http://www.google.com/news?pz=1&am... | Apr 08 19:25 |
| tessier_ | That's an odd one. | Apr 08 19:29 |
| tessier_ | What are the odds that this guy would end up walking right in front of the police during a protest? And why would the police just hit him seemingly unprovoked like that? | Apr 08 19:30 |
| schestowitz | http://video.news.sky.com/sky-... | Apr 08 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Watch this as they speak of CCTV | Apr 08 19:30 |
| schestowitz | They watch him going down the street | Apr 08 19:30 |
| schestowitz | They know time, route, position, they have footage | Apr 08 19:30 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: Is there really that much CCTV in the UK? I keep hearing about how big brother is everywhere there. | Apr 08 19:30 |
| tessier_ | I also hear it does nothing to deter crime according to studies. | Apr 08 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Well, in main streets -- yes | Apr 08 19:31 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, more of a post-morten thing | Apr 08 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Like in 9/11 | Apr 08 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Wow. They can show how they board the plane | Apr 08 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Well, too bad they couldn't actually do something /before/ the crash, eh? | Apr 08 19:31 |
| tessier_ | My current employer is trying to get contracts to provide the disk storage for a lot of those video surveillance efforts. Some places have hundreds of cameras streaming HD video and they want to store a year of footage from them all. | Apr 08 19:32 |
| schestowitz | "We've got a lot of data," they'll say. But it's a matter of quality, not quantity (specificity) | Apr 08 19:32 |
| schestowitz | tessier: EMC? Just not those bastards.. | Apr 08 19:33 |
| tessier_ | I don't think there was anything that could have been done before the crash. Post-mortem is useful in that we can at least know who did it and go after their accomplices who may be planning similar attacks. | Apr 08 19:33 |
| tessier_ | No, not EMC. EMC is too expensive and way overkill for this sort of thing. | Apr 08 19:33 |
| schestowitz | tessier: true, true. | Apr 08 19:34 |
| tessier_ | Cheap mass storage. Just a ton of disks and a basic way to manage them. | Apr 08 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Well, from my experience it's useless | Apr 08 19:34 |
| schestowitz | I helped the police a few years back after witnessing a guy getting hit until he lost consciousness. | Apr 08 19:34 |
| tessier_ | That is all that is needed. | Apr 08 19:34 |
| schestowitz | The CCTV helped them see it happened, but not catch the crooks | Apr 08 19:34 |
| tessier_ | Didn't get a good look at them in the video? | Apr 08 19:34 |
| tessier_ | Or maybe you had a good look at them but nobody came forward to identify them? | Apr 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | They were skinheads. I doubt they could make much of it | Apr 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Unless they can trace it back to some pub or something and then ask people who might know them. | Apr 08 19:35 |
| schestowitz | it wasn't a big deal that one | Apr 08 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | The Manchester news as of late suggests hire frequency of stabbing | Apr 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus just had his bike stolen (in Scotland) | Apr 08 19:36 |
| tessier_ | I've seen lots of cases where video was useful. I don't know about over there in the UK but there are TV shows on just about every night here with "wildest police videos" showing all sorts of bank robberies and traffic accidents etc. The majority of it from security cameras. | Apr 08 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: it's a small country | Apr 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | per 'capita' | Apr 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | So it's more economically-efficient to implement surveillance. | Apr 08 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Esp. in dense area, not countryside. | Apr 08 19:37 |
| schestowitz | From London I know a person where they have an aperture at every corner | Apr 08 19:37 |
| tessier_ | True. | Apr 08 19:37 |
| schestowitz | He once stared at one and the police came to his house the following day | Apr 08 19:37 |
| schestowitz | RMS said people should stare on purpose | Apr 08 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Just to give them too many false positives until they drop the practice. | Apr 08 19:38 |
| tessier_ | How could they possibly have enough people to monitor all of those cameras to catch him staring? | Apr 08 19:38 |
| tessier_ | My real concern there is if video processing technology becomes sophisticated enough to tip them off to unusual activity | Apr 08 19:38 |
| schestowitz | That's what /i/ thought | Apr 08 19:38 |
| tessier_ | If a computer recognized him staring that's a different and more interesting matter. | Apr 08 19:38 |
| schestowitz | tessier: joy. Let algos run our lives | Apr 08 19:38 |
| tessier_ | If a cop recognized him staring that's just bad luck on his part. | Apr 08 19:39 |
| schestowitz | It's like Terminator-type movie plot | Apr 08 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Don't enrageze machines!!1 | Apr 08 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Another wierd thing is this: | Apr 08 19:39 |
| schestowitz | In the Independent (IIRC) it said G20 protesters were "anti-capitalism" | Apr 08 19:40 |
| schestowitz | WTF? Since when is globalisation about capitalism and oppositon to it anti-capitalism | Apr 08 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Wait until they call FOSS people the same and flag them somwhow | Apr 08 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Some computer engineer was stopped in the airport where they have some kind of interrogation chambers. They sent him to Syria IIRC for torturing | Apr 08 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Even professors were sent to chambers like that... in JFK | Apr 08 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Activists are claiming that they are put on lists and journalists too :-) | Apr 08 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Fascinating... | Apr 08 19:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9P... | Apr 08 19:42 |
| Omar87 | Hi | Apr 08 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Doctor bribes... Big Pharma Psychs Out the Shrinks < http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/... > | Apr 08 19:44 |
| schestowitz | "It turns out that not just some, but most of the shrinks who wrote the American Psychiatric Association’s most recent clinical guidelines for treating depression, bipolar disorders, and schizophrenia—which together account for $25 billion in prescription drug sales annually—had financial ties to drug companies, according a study to be published in Psychotherapy and Psychosomatics, as reported in the Boston Globe." | Apr 08 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Firm shifts From Windows to Linux, reduces support issues by 45% < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,10... > | Apr 08 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Nice success story for GNU/Linux: The new faces of Linux - Feeling the Power < http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009... > | Apr 08 19:46 |
| PetoKraus | dana blankenfaggot | Apr 08 19:46 |
| PetoKraus | why is he even relevant | Apr 08 19:46 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: in what context? | Apr 08 19:46 |
| schestowitz | He wrote some book about the Internet | Apr 08 19:46 |
| schestowitz | And he follows politics and healthcare | Apr 08 19:47 |
| PetoKraus | you posted an article him just a while ago | Apr 08 19:47 |
| schestowitz | he's mostly an outsider to FOSS | Apr 08 19:47 |
| PetoKraus | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3928 | Apr 08 19:47 |
| schestowitz | But he writes about it | Apr 08 19:47 |
| PetoKraus | or was it somewhere else? | Apr 08 19:47 |
| PetoKraus | i dunno, but i've got the link from somewhere | Apr 08 19:47 |
| schestowitz | I ignore Dana when I can | Apr 08 19:48 |
| PetoKraus | specsavers use OSS? | Apr 08 19:48 |
| schestowitz | He rarely delivers any news anyway | Apr 08 19:48 |
| PetoKraus | i might go and get a new pair of lens then | Apr 08 19:48 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: they use Scalix | Apr 08 19:48 |
| schestowitz | (ballnux/xandros) | Apr 08 19:48 |
| schestowitz | For mail | Apr 08 19:48 |
| PetoKraus | still better than winblows, to be honest | Apr 08 19:49 |
| PetoKraus | i wonder, i'll have to go to a hospital or whatever | Apr 08 19:49 |
| PetoKraus | but i think i might get free lens in my glasses as a student | Apr 08 19:49 |
| PetoKraus | yeah and i paid my €£14 to national insurance last year :P | Apr 08 19:50 |
| schestowitz | "ZDNet's Dana Blankenhorn misses the point - http://tinyurl.com/cnqvb2 - and resorts to childish ad hominemsand getting my name wrong =8))" | Apr 08 19:50 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz hmmmm, we were explaining what Specsavers have done to Blockbuster last year, and ran a workshop - shame they didn't listen... | Apr 08 19:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Mark_Antony | Apr 08 19:50 |
| schestowitz | So I'm not the only one tired of Blankentabloid | Apr 08 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh cool. | Apr 08 19:52 |
| schestowitz | BN ha just made the front page of LT | Apr 08 19:52 |
| schestowitz | tessier: Someone asks: "Can you find out exactly what happened between Michael Robertson and Kevin Carmony in relation to Linspire. The only references I can see is on their blogs and it might be slightly biased. Any third party sources?." There's none I could ever find. Maybe you know...? Local press? | Apr 08 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Did someone forget to upgrade to GNU/Linux/BSD? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... (Cyberspies Hack U.S. Electrical Grid) | Apr 08 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. uÃÂop ÃÂpñsdn sñ ùoÃâ¡Ã±uoï ùnoÃŽ | Apr 08 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Yuck. Man escapes from Sun to a criminal company... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... | Apr 08 20:00 |
| MinceR | sùnoÎ ou | Apr 08 20:01 |
| schestowitz | trmanco mentioned this already, but: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/... (Oops: Microsoft wonk hits Live Messenger red button) | Apr 08 20:02 |
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| wispygalaxy | hi guys! | Apr 08 20:07 |
| wispygalaxy | anyone here? | Apr 08 20:11 |
| PetoKraus | sort-of | Apr 08 20:11 |
| PetoKraus | but not for long | Apr 08 20:11 |
| PetoKraus | :) | Apr 08 20:11 |
| PetoKraus | hello | Apr 08 20:11 |
| wispygalaxy | oh hey pk! | Apr 08 20:11 |
| wispygalaxy | so how is college? | Apr 08 20:12 |
| wispygalaxy | i have so many projects due | Apr 08 20:12 |
| wispygalaxy | :( | Apr 08 20:12 |
| Balrog | hi everyone! | Apr 08 20:12 |
| Balrog | so do I :( | Apr 08 20:12 |
| wispygalaxy | what's up, balrog? :D | Apr 08 20:12 |
| Balrog | too many projects due. | Apr 08 20:13 |
| Balrog | lol | Apr 08 20:13 |
| wispygalaxy | that sucks | Apr 08 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Is this Mark Stephens < http://www.technologyreview.com/bu... > or another person using his pseudonym? ... | Apr 08 20:13 |
| wispygalaxy | i can't wait until may, when school's done! | Apr 08 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Hi, wispygalaxy. You always wake up the channel | Apr 08 20:13 |
| wispygalaxy | hiya roy ^_^ | Apr 08 20:13 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robe... | Apr 08 20:13 |
| Balrog | I'm taking summer classes =) | Apr 08 20:13 |
| wispygalaxy | haha i do cause a scene ;) | Apr 08 20:13 |
| Balrog | lol | Apr 08 20:13 |
| wispygalaxy | cool balrog, my friend took spanish classes over the summer and liked the experience | Apr 08 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Yes, the galaxy suddenly goes WHIZ! | Apr 08 20:14 |
| Balrog | I'm doing intellectual heritage I, calc 3, and differential equations | Apr 08 20:14 |
| wispygalaxy | gee whiz haha | Apr 08 20:14 |
| schestowitz | brb phone | Apr 08 20:14 |
| wispygalaxy | k | Apr 08 20:14 |
| wispygalaxy | awww balrog | Apr 08 20:14 |
| wispygalaxy | any papers due? | Apr 08 20:15 |
| Balrog | so how's everyone been doing? | Apr 08 20:15 |
| Balrog | wispygalaxy: yes, two :( | Apr 08 20:15 |
| Balrog | next week | Apr 08 20:15 |
| wispygalaxy | darn! | Apr 08 20:15 |
| wispygalaxy | the flowers are blooming, it's so lovely | Apr 08 20:15 |
| wispygalaxy | but it's cold today | Apr 08 20:15 |
| Balrog | yeah ... same here :/ | Apr 08 20:15 |
| wispygalaxy | i consider cold to be below 70 F | Apr 08 20:15 |
| Balrog | nah, cold is below 55 F | Apr 08 20:16 |
| wispygalaxy | brrr! | Apr 08 20:16 |
| Balrog | ;) | Apr 08 20:17 |
| wispygalaxy | women get colder than men, it's been proven | Apr 08 20:17 |
| wispygalaxy | for biological reasons | Apr 08 20:17 |
| Balrog | heh lol | Apr 08 20:17 |
| wispygalaxy | so what do you plan to do this summer? | Apr 08 20:18 |
| wispygalaxy | i am planning to intern somewhere | Apr 08 20:18 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* Watch the crook... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/... Must be GIMPEd in. | Apr 08 20:18 |
| wispygalaxy | gimpshopped | Apr 08 20:19 |
| wispygalaxy | hehe | Apr 08 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Not Free software | Apr 08 20:19 |
| Balrog | summer classes, and work =) | Apr 08 20:19 |
| wispygalaxy | nice! | Apr 08 20:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gimpshop.com/ | Apr 08 20:19 |
| MinceR | gimpshop isn't floss? | Apr 08 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Wait, I could be wrong | Apr 08 20:20 |
| wispygalaxy | that's cute roy | Apr 08 20:20 |
| schestowitz | What's the project of that guy with a long surname? | Apr 08 20:20 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: they have a .tar.bz2 | Apr 08 20:20 |
| Balrog | with source | Apr 08 20:20 |
| schestowitz | He put in some new features and charges for blob, IIRC. | Apr 08 20:20 |
| Balrog | no, it's free | Apr 08 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Something like Kazaandeboldomwhateverr. | Apr 08 20:20 |
| Balrog | http://www.gimpshop.com/ | Apr 08 20:21 |
| wispygalaxy | let's call him 'k' roy | Apr 08 20:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/... | Apr 08 20:21 |
| wispygalaxy | to make it easier haha | Apr 08 20:21 |
| schestowitz | "Interview with Pavel Kanzelsberger, Creator of Pixel" | Apr 08 20:21 |
| Balrog | that's Pixel, not gimpshop | Apr 08 20:21 |
| Balrog | gimpshop is just gimp rearranged to look like photoshop, and is FOSS | Apr 08 20:22 |
| schestowitz | "LJ: I see that you charge $38 US for Pixel. Are you finding resistance among Linux and FreeBSD people to pay for their software?""PK: Yes, quite often even with requests to open-source Pixel. But, I'm trying to explain to them the licensing scheme. I'm not charging money for the Linux version of Pixel, but I'm charging for Pixel itself. It doesn't matter which operating system you are using—the license allows you to use any or a | Apr 08 20:22 |
| schestowitz | ll of them. " | Apr 08 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, my bad | Apr 08 20:22 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: is it open-source software? | Apr 08 20:22 |
| wispygalaxy | gimpshop is a good idea | Apr 08 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Until Adobe pulls patents and all | Apr 08 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Which they rarely do | Apr 08 20:23 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of an inident | Apr 08 20:23 |
| wispygalaxy | to help ease people used to close-sourced photoshop into FOSS | Apr 08 20:23 |
| schestowitz | They never enforced the Phtoshop trademarks they protect, either. | Apr 08 20:23 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: does the author provide source for Pixel, even under a restrictive license, if you buy it? | Apr 08 20:24 |
| wispygalaxy | it's too much effort to protect all these patents and trademarks | Apr 08 20:24 |
| schestowitz | This one with the name "PGP" has always confused: PGP offers whole disk encryption < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... > | Apr 08 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I can't remember | Apr 08 20:24 |
| Balrog | Apparently not. :X | Apr 08 20:24 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: watch what happened to Psion with "netbook" | Apr 08 20:25 |
| schestowitz | But Psion --like SCO-- hasn't much to lose | Apr 08 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Not many clients to alienate by being bastards | Apr 08 20:25 |
| wispygalaxy | *watching* | Apr 08 20:25 |
| wispygalaxy | interesting | Apr 08 20:26 |
| wispygalaxy | is sco completely dead? | Apr 08 20:26 |
| Balrog | not completely :/ | Apr 08 20:26 |
| wispygalaxy | it's like an annoying little sister that won't go away | Apr 08 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Sister? | Apr 08 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Why insult girls? | Apr 08 20:27 |
| wispygalaxy | reminds me of one haha | Apr 08 20:27 |
| wispygalaxy | i never had a brother | Apr 08 20:28 |
| wispygalaxy | so i can't compare | Apr 08 20:28 |
| schestowitz | I can lend you one. | Apr 08 20:28 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm a girl myself btw | Apr 08 20:28 |
| schestowitz | I have a brother; but I'm joking | Apr 08 20:28 |
| wispygalaxy | haha! | Apr 08 20:28 |
| schestowitz | I get along well with everyone | Apr 08 20:28 |
| wispygalaxy | awwww | Apr 08 20:28 |
| wispygalaxy | family love <3 | Apr 08 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Except the cats | Apr 08 20:29 |
| wispygalaxy | that's because you don't give them cheezeburgers | Apr 08 20:29 |
| wispygalaxy | they hate you for that | Apr 08 20:29 |
| wispygalaxy | lol | Apr 08 20:29 |
| Balrog | :P | Apr 08 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Naa... | Apr 08 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Well, the dog < http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archi... > died... < http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch... > | Apr 08 20:31 |
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| wispygalaxy | awwwww poor doggy! | Apr 08 20:32 |
| wispygalaxy | wow, what a cutie, roy | Apr 08 20:32 |
| wispygalaxy | i had a dog when i was a baby | Apr 08 20:32 |
| wispygalaxy | but my dad realized that he was allergic | Apr 08 20:33 |
| schestowitz | BlueHost CEO really giving it to Microsoft now: Microsoft… AGAIN… < http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=182 > | Apr 08 20:34 |
| Balrog | I'm stuck setting up windows on some systems :/ | Apr 08 20:34 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes, I remember the allergy | Apr 08 20:34 |
| wispygalaxy | ouch balrog | Apr 08 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Newsprint too, right? | Apr 08 20:34 |
| Balrog | it's only a 'VM' within solaris though | Apr 08 20:34 |
| wispygalaxy | yep roy | Apr 08 20:34 |
| wispygalaxy | i never tried solaris | Apr 08 20:34 |
| wispygalaxy | so ibm is not buying sun, right? | Apr 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz | There are olaris laptops now | Apr 08 20:35 |
| Balrog | solaris is .... interesting. Very much unlike linux. Also harder to deal with, imo | Apr 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz | In lots of news today.. | Apr 08 20:35 |
| wispygalaxy | java is safe for now | Apr 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.opensolaris.com/toshib... http://www.h-online.com/open/Toshiba... | Apr 08 20:35 |
| Balrog | was java ever in danger? | Apr 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Apr 08 20:35 |
| wispygalaxy | good, we need laptops with different OS and distros, i love choice | Apr 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Java is in good shape | Apr 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes, I like this too | Apr 08 20:35 |
| wispygalaxy | whew roy | Apr 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | It creates the notion of choice out there | Apr 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Not netbook vs PC | Apr 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Or Macbook vs PC | Apr 08 20:36 |
| wispygalaxy | boring people don't like choice | Apr 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Or Linux only on sub-notebooks | Apr 08 20:36 |
| Balrog | problem is that most stores still stock only Windows laptops. Some stock Macs as well, but that's not much of a choice :/ | Apr 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: not true. | Apr 08 20:36 |
| wispygalaxy | grrrr | Apr 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Some people like it without onoin | Apr 08 20:36 |
| MinceR | we need a choice between linux distros ;) | Apr 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Or extra may | Apr 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Or extra mayo | Apr 08 20:36 |
| wispygalaxy | yes haha mincer | Apr 08 20:37 |
| wispygalaxy | but flavor is good! | Apr 08 20:37 |
| Balrog | MS argues that systems without an OS get 'pirated' windows installed on them .... not the case most of the time | Apr 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Try Sabayon | Apr 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Yummy | Apr 08 20:37 |
| wispygalaxy | ms spreading fud :( | Apr 08 20:37 |
| Balrog | yeah :X | Apr 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.herdaily.com/blogim... | Apr 08 20:37 |
| wispygalaxy | i tried sabayon, but it's not my style. debian im more comfortable with | Apr 08 20:37 |
| wispygalaxy | it's italian, right? | Apr 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | But it's not an OS | Apr 08 20:38 |
| wispygalaxy | dessert | Apr 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | It's *also* an OS | Apr 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Yes, dessert | Apr 08 20:38 |
| wispygalaxy | multi-talented sabayon is a distro and dessert | Apr 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Can dual boot with laxatives (Windows Vista) | Apr 08 20:38 |
| Balrog | is blag the only FSF-approved RPM-based linux distro? | Apr 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Might be. | Apr 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Slated would know for sure | Apr 08 20:39 |
| Balrog | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news... | Apr 08 20:39 |
| wispygalaxy | it can be more than one thing haha | Apr 08 20:39 |
| Balrog | :X | Apr 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, seen that | Apr 08 20:39 |
| Balrog | figures don't lie, but liars figure | Apr 08 20:40 |
| wispygalaxy | it's all about the interpretation of facts and figures | Apr 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Fascism galore... many crooks want to be the next Mussolini now.. passing law because "THIS IS AN AMERGENCY@@@@@33" | Apr 08 20:40 |
| wispygalaxy | anyone can take evidence and manipulate it | Apr 08 20:40 |
| Balrog | have you heard what WotC did (with Dungeons and Dragons)? | Apr 08 20:40 |
| Balrog | http://games.slashdot.org/articl... | Apr 08 20:41 |
| Balrog | removed all PDF sales, due to 'piracy' | Apr 08 20:41 |
| wispygalaxy | that's stupid | Apr 08 20:41 |
| Balrog | if you read the responses on the forum, people are saying that this is giving them no choice but piracy | Apr 08 20:41 |
| Balrog | (though the forum was slashdotted last time I checked) | Apr 08 20:42 |
| wispygalaxy | suing the fans is such a good idea!! /sarcasm | Apr 08 20:42 |
| Balrog | the fans are angry, the redistributors are angry | Apr 08 20:42 |
| Balrog | http://www.enworld.org/forum/general... | Apr 08 20:43 |
| Balrog | check it out when it's no longer down ;) | Apr 08 20:43 |
| wispygalaxy | why can't people share and stop worring about what belongs to them?! | Apr 08 20:43 |
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| Balrog | the main problem here is that what WotC is doing is self-defeating. By removing PDF's more people will have to 'pirate' | Apr 08 20:43 |
| wispygalaxy | please stop being obsessed with how intellectual property only belongs to you and *no one* else | Apr 08 20:43 |
| wispygalaxy | yes that's sad balrog :( | Apr 08 20:44 |
| wispygalaxy | oh i didn't check the forums yet | Apr 08 20:44 |
| Balrog | don't. they're down | Apr 08 20:44 |
| Balrog | wait several hours | Apr 08 20:44 |
| wispygalaxy | cool, i'll check it out later | Apr 08 20:45 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/new... | Apr 08 20:45 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks for the link. balrog | Apr 08 20:46 |
| wispygalaxy | i think creative commons is the way to go | Apr 08 20:47 |
| wispygalaxy | releasing under CC shows that you aren't money-hungry and care about the art; you want to share it | Apr 08 20:48 |
| Balrog | in most cases. Commercial copying is problematic though :/ | Apr 08 20:48 |
| Balrog | (and it will happen, even with CC) | Apr 08 20:48 |
| wispygalaxy | good point | Apr 08 20:49 |
| Balrog | the line between commercial and non-commercial needs to be better defined | Apr 08 20:49 |
| Balrog | is a torrent tracker that makes $1000s 'commercial'? | Apr 08 20:49 |
| wispygalaxy | i learned about a case that deals with that, balrog, in my law class | Apr 08 20:50 |
| wispygalaxy | i forget the name, though | Apr 08 20:50 |
| schestowitz | RIAA can't compete with CC | Apr 08 20:51 |
| wispygalaxy | people should understand that once they create a digital product, it is hard to control who has possession of it. it's not tangible | Apr 08 20:51 |
| schestowitz | I listen to RIAA-free tracks these days, every day. | Apr 08 20:51 |
| wispygalaxy | yay :D | Apr 08 20:51 |
| wispygalaxy | you show them, roy! | Apr 08 20:51 |
| NeonFloss | CC ftw | Apr 08 20:51 |
| NeonFloss | you guys notice freemusicarchive.org? | Apr 08 20:52 |
| wispygalaxy | my friend's name is CC haha, btw | Apr 08 20:52 |
| wispygalaxy | thx for the site, NF | Apr 08 20:52 |
| NeonFloss | np | Apr 08 20:53 |
| schestowitz | here's 6gb of music for you. http://sites.google.com/site/sx... | Apr 08 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Seed it too | Apr 08 20:53 |
| schestowitz | To gives exposure to the singers | Apr 08 20:53 |
| wispygalaxy | awesome | Apr 08 20:53 |
| NeonFloss | wispygalaxy: http://www.blogpirate.org/2009/0... | Apr 08 20:53 |
| *schestowitz looks | Apr 08 20:54 | |
| wispygalaxy | good site | Apr 08 20:54 |
| schestowitz | NeonFloss: nice new site design | Apr 08 20:54 |
| wispygalaxy | my sister wanted to start a punk band, lol. but then she became a hipster | Apr 08 20:54 |
| NeonFloss | yea | Apr 08 20:54 |
| wispygalaxy | she still likes punk music | Apr 08 20:54 |
| NeonFloss | it was down for a while | Apr 08 20:54 |
| NeonFloss | we are eventually going to make our own theme | Apr 08 20:55 |
| schestowitz | No megafiles for mass downloads ... | Apr 08 20:55 |
| NeonFloss | on FMA? | Apr 08 20:56 |
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| mib_ieydxt | hello | Apr 08 20:56 |
| NeonFloss | yea, I think they should add bittorent links - would save them bandwith too | Apr 08 20:56 |
| NeonFloss | hello | Apr 08 20:56 |
| wispygalaxy | hi there :D | Apr 08 20:56 |
