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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: haha. I forgot that song | Apr 23 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | How old is it anyway. | Apr 23 00:03 |
| schestowitz | ? | Apr 23 00:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?... | Apr 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Diana Ross re-renditions. | Apr 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | In the UK you can access videos that are copyright if they are remakes | Apr 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Which beats the purpose of copies/coppyrights | Apr 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Think along the lines of being forbidden the listening to Britney cr* | Apr 23 00:04 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, it came out in 2001 i think | Apr 23 00:04 |
| wispygalaxy | afroman, i mean | Apr 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Then you can listen to someone else singing her songs | Apr 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | That's why it's so stupid | Apr 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | And the MAFIAA tried to gag little girls who sing | Apr 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 23 00:05 |
| wispygalaxy | cover bands are allowed, too? | Apr 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Sort | Apr 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | *sorta | Apr 23 00:05 |
| wispygalaxy | mafiaa is so mean! | Apr 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | That's why it's called mafia | Apr 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | They are like pirate | Apr 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | With ships and cannonballs | Apr 23 00:05 |
| wispygalaxy | pirates vs ninjas | Apr 23 00:05 |
| wispygalaxy | :P | Apr 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | But they call YOU that | Apr 23 00:05 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't listen to mainstream stuff anyway, it's all boring stuff | Apr 23 00:06 |
| wispygalaxy | i stopped listening to FM radio, too | Apr 23 00:06 |
| wispygalaxy | my little sister only has an ipod and about 5 CDs, that's it | Apr 23 00:07 |
| wispygalaxy | she has this little radio where you attach your ipod to it | Apr 23 00:07 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 23 00:07 |
| wispygalaxy | see ya mincer | Apr 23 00:07 |
| wispygalaxy | there's no space to play a CD on that radio | Apr 23 00:07 |
| wispygalaxy | i still have CDs, but i mainly use them for backup now | Apr 23 00:08 |
| wispygalaxy | i do a lot of listening to music on the computer | Apr 23 00:09 |
| wispygalaxy | hey, where's logger_bot? | Apr 23 00:10 |
| wispygalaxy | he's not here anymore | Apr 23 00:10 |
| wispygalaxy | i want to say "hi" to him | Apr 23 00:10 |
| schestowitz | FM radio is centralised, so it will live | Apr 23 00:15 |
| schestowitz | There's an attack on all p2p comms | Apr 23 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Uncluding usenet | Apr 23 00:15 |
| schestowitz | E-mail is already moinitored | Apr 23 00:15 |
| schestowitz | All p2p-esquie traffic can be daemonised because it's [terrorism|copyright violation|child pr0n|hateful|etc] | Apr 23 00:16 |
| wispygalaxy | p2p is a powerful way to distribute files, why attack it | Apr 23 00:16 |
| wispygalaxy | if you can't beat em, join em | Apr 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | IOW, we can communiate... so long as the 'responsible adults' are watching | Apr 23 00:17 |
| wispygalaxy | we are adults, lol | Apr 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Not to them we're not | Apr 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | They call us 'bewildered herd' | Apr 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | You should hear what US politicians say about 'the masses' | Apr 23 00:17 |
| wispygalaxy | unwashed masses | Apr 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | It's unsealed by now | Apr 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | The old stuff | Apr 23 00:17 |
| wispygalaxy | sheeple | Apr 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | The US is liberal when it comes to revealing old documents | Apr 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Bush sorta changed that | Apr 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | They also eliminate evidenbce | Apr 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Not just prevent futurte disclosure | Apr 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Making it very hard for historian to investigate when it's no longer secureity-sensitive | Apr 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | But in countries other than the US there may be no diclosure at all | Apr 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | The Cuban missle crisis was made public quite recently | Apr 23 00:18 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, there will be no artifacts left for the historians of the future | Apr 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | There was almosta nuclear stike | Apr 23 00:19 |
| wispygalaxy | therefore, we should build time capsules now haha | Apr 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | There could be a massive nuclear holocaust in the nrthern hemisphere | Apr 23 00:19 |
| wispygalaxy | so something will be left for the future generations | Apr 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | It was very, very close | Apr 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | The guy was gonna press the button | Apr 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | He was mental | Apr 23 00:19 |
| wispygalaxy | that's why you don't push shiny stuff, no matter how cool it looks | Apr 23 00:19 |
| wispygalaxy | at my dad's power plant, one contractor pushed a button for no reason. he was curious, and that caused about $2 million in damage. his company got sued | Apr 23 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Human error | Apr 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Can't easily account for that | Apr 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Humans run these things | Apr 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Developed monkeys :-) | Apr 23 00:21 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Apr 23 00:22 |
| wispygalaxy | some coders are monkeys at typewritters | Apr 23 00:22 |
| wispygalaxy | curiosity killed the power plant, i'd say | Apr 23 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... | Apr 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Tell me what you think | Apr 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking of Homer Simpson actually :_) | Apr 23 00:23 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks for the link, roy | Apr 23 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Let me know your thoughts | Apr 23 00:25 |
| schestowitz | I like this guy's thesis | Apr 23 00:26 |
| amarsh04 | I have been in the international network operations centre for our inbumbent telco and I did *not* want to be responsible for any problems | Apr 23 00:26 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, it sucks when you take the blame for incompetent fools. you aren't supposed to be babysitting haha | Apr 23 00:27 |
| wispygalaxy | i have done babysitting, and it's the most annoying to watch 5-9 year olds. they are too hyper and keep asking you for stuff | Apr 23 00:28 |
| _spc_ | so you was dealing stuff to 5-9 yo? | Apr 23 00:28 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, when i was a teen i babysat | Apr 23 00:29 |
| wispygalaxy | neighborhood kids | Apr 23 00:29 |
| _spc_ | i wanted to make a joke... stuff = weed? | Apr 23 00:29 |
| wispygalaxy | oh no, hahah | Apr 23 00:29 |
| wispygalaxy | i never did that :) | Apr 23 00:29 |
| wispygalaxy | i have watched infants before, and it's not too bad. at least the babies i have watched don't cry a lot or get too messy lol | Apr 23 00:30 |
| _spc_ | yeah, nothing comes to their mind | Apr 23 00:30 |
| wispygalaxy | babies do have thoughts, actually. and they can see in color. | Apr 23 00:31 |
| _spc_ | wow | Apr 23 00:31 |
| _spc_ | i saw when i was born | Apr 23 00:31 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't remember myself being born lol | Apr 23 00:32 |
| wispygalaxy | they say once you understand enough language, then you start to have memories | Apr 23 00:32 |
| _spc_ | actually not | Apr 23 00:32 |
| _spc_ | you always understand | Apr 23 00:32 |
| _spc_ | babies understand even untold things | Apr 23 00:33 |
| _spc_ | they just don't focus on them | Apr 23 00:33 |
| wispygalaxy | but once you understand language, then you can start to form memories | Apr 23 00:33 |
| amarsh04 | grand-daughter has always had access to photos of herself from birth onwards, so she has kept an understanding of what she looked like | Apr 23 00:33 |
| _spc_ | wispygalaxy, some people remember everything | Apr 23 00:34 |
| wispygalaxy | that's nice, my little sister takes a lot of photos. she fills up her USB drive haha | Apr 23 00:34 |
| _spc_ | even what was before they were born | Apr 23 00:34 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, i heard about a reporter who could remember everything and did not need to take notes | Apr 23 00:34 |
| wispygalaxy | before they were born? | Apr 23 00:34 |
| _spc_ | yeah | Apr 23 00:35 |
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| wispygalaxy | through photos? | Apr 23 00:35 |
| _spc_ | no? | Apr 23 00:35 |
| amarsh04 | grand-daughter took a photo of an echidna in the wild when she was 4 | Apr 23 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | how can you remember yourself as a fetus? | Apr 23 00:35 |
| _spc_ | you don't need physical body to remember | Apr 23 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | that's cool, amarsh | Apr 23 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | did you frame it for her? | Apr 23 00:35 |
| wispygalaxy | hmm, that's interesting, _spc_ | Apr 23 00:36 |
| amarsh04 | no, but I've kept all the digital photos and know which ones she took | Apr 23 00:36 |
| wispygalaxy | my dad burns the photos onto a CD-R | Apr 23 00:37 |
| amarsh04 | yes, I've done that also... should burn another dvd-r too | Apr 23 00:37 |
| wispygalaxy | i was telling roy how my family's desktop was fried, but we thankfully saved the photos onto CD-Rs | Apr 23 00:37 |
| wispygalaxy | technically, we can get the info from the desktop back. we never got around to it. i don't even need the files on it (high school assignments) | Apr 23 00:38 |
| amarsh04 | I need to send off the registration for grand-daughter's camera (Canon IXUS 85IS Christmas last year) - paperwork was mislaid | Apr 23 00:39 |
| amarsh04 | yes, it's funny to think of what computer files one really wants to keep | Apr 23 00:40 |
| wispygalaxy | it's good to register, there are benefits to it | Apr 23 00:40 |
| wispygalaxy | i actually saved a lot of my files before it burned out, i knew that hard drives can fail | Apr 23 00:41 |
| wispygalaxy | *ping* schestowitz | Apr 23 00:41 |
| wispygalaxy | ok everyone, i'm going for now. see ya soon! | Apr 23 00:49 |
| wispygalaxy | take care for now, roy! xx | Apr 23 00:50 |
| schestowitz | hey | Apr 23 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Apr 23 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Got distractd | Apr 23 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Hold on | Apr 23 00:51 |
| wispygalaxy | thats ok haha | Apr 23 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see. | Apr 23 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Did you watch the videos? | Apr 23 00:51 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks again for the videos | Apr 23 00:52 |
| wispygalaxy | it's something to think about | Apr 23 00:52 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll be around if you want to talk, ok? | Apr 23 00:52 |
| wispygalaxy | :D | Apr 23 00:52 |
| wispygalaxy | bye bye | Apr 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | I'm still watching some stuff | Apr 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/wat... | Apr 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Mostly history lessons TBH | Apr 23 00:53 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, it's a lot of good stuff. | Apr 23 00:53 |
| wispygalaxy | ok, i'll chat with you later, roy. ;) | Apr 23 00:53 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, what did you think of rms' speaking style for the interpreter and the interpreter's handling, given you know both languages used? | Apr 23 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | I owe YouTube so much | Apr 23 00:56 |
| schestowitz | They give all that educational stuff, mostly talks | Apr 23 00:56 |
| schestowitz | You can do one thing while listening or staring at videos | Apr 23 00:56 |
| schestowitz | And Google is said to be losing 450 million dollar a year in YouTUbe | Apr 23 00:56 |
| amarsh04 | Australian internet users have traditionally had low usage quotas and high usage charges, to the extent that for several years it was not possible to host much content locally | Apr 23 00:59 |
| amarsh04 | I think that .gb had it worse due to timed local telephone calls | Apr 23 01:01 |
| amarsh04 | from the mid-90's onwards I was able to have untimed dial-up internet access for a flat rate | Apr 23 01:03 |
| amarsh04 | the isp Bigpond run by the incumbent telco Telstra charges for uploads as well as downloads | Apr 23 01:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV... | Apr 23 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Interestingf controversy | Apr 23 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Never heard of it before... | Apr 23 01:25 |
| amarsh04 | weren't you covering ACTA already schestowitz... I think that groklaw.net has been covering ACTA | Apr 23 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: I do all the time | Apr 23 01:35 |
| schestowitz | I did over 20 posts about it | Apr 23 01:35 |
| schestowitz | PJ just mailed me moments ago a few times | Apr 23 01:35 |
| schestowitz | I remember when Groklaw was doing 5 articles/day sometimes | Apr 23 01:35 |
| schestowitz | I've just posted daily links. That's it for today | Apr 23 01:37 |
| amarsh04 | I was reading so much I wasn't sure what sites I was getting it from | Apr 23 01:39 |
| schestowitz | use browser history...? | Apr 23 01:41 |
| schestowitz | anyway, gn | Apr 23 01:41 |
| amarsh04 | goodnight, don't burn yourself out | Apr 23 01:41 |
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| I finally got 2.6.26 to work with my thinkpad and accelerated video. ACPI sucks but the newer kernel is a lot faster than 2.6.24 | Apr 23 02:56 | |
| cleaning up my xorg.conf fixed things. It might work out of the box for Lenny by now. | Apr 23 02:57 | |
| it's sad to hear about Lenovo FUD for gnu/linux | Apr 23 02:58 | |
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| wow, oh wow, the whole damn Gates deposition. http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/i... | Apr 23 04:13 | |
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| spam protection is not working tonight. 1+9 = 10 where I come from | Apr 23 04:54 | |
| M$ is happy enough to "support" an eight year old piece of software that runs poorly - Windows XP. Eight years, six of which were wasted on the Vista failure. I would hope that most Mac based businesses have upgraded to Open Office. Because Open Office is free software, it runs well on most modern processors, including the "ancient" Power PC, ARM, MIPS and other more power efficient hardware. Because Open Office is free softwar | Apr 23 04:54 | |
| belongs here http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/... | Apr 23 04:54 | |
| _air | i'm learning trolling | Apr 23 04:57 |
| who's teaching you? | Apr 23 05:04 | |
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| _air | oh, it's me mostly | Apr 23 05:08 |
| _air | but i learn from the people that try to troll me | Apr 23 05:09 |
| _air | top trolling is when you can get most of the channel banned and you're still there without having to ban evade XD | Apr 23 05:10 |
| please find something better to do | Apr 23 05:18 | |
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| schestowitz | Damn. the math plugins is not working again? | Apr 23 07:22 |
| schestowitz | It's giving a hard time to some others | Apr 23 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some bug :--( | Apr 23 07:22 |
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| schestowitz | Apple report sliding Mac sales | Apr 23 07:28 |
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| schestowitz | Intel to be fined for its many known crimes (or just a few of them), finally. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2... | Apr 23 07:53 |
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| schestowitz | Freddie Mac CFO David Kellerman Found Dead in Apparent Suicide < http://www.huliq.com/3257/80021/freddie-mac-c... > | Apr 23 09:05 |
| schestowitz | Freddie Mac suicise: Just wait until they find out WHY he killed himself and what he had to hide. | Apr 23 09:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.topix.net/us/2009/04/freddie... "glad to hear it. :) now lets hope george bush does the same thing. " | Apr 23 09:07 |
| schestowitz | Don't let Microsoft lock Linux out of the Internet (using TPM): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/bill... | Apr 23 09:08 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Apr 23 09:12 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: they are falling like flies | Apr 23 09:15 |
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| schestowitz | "Adolf Merckle, one of the world’s richest men, committed suicide yesterday by throwing himself under a train, Bloomberg reports." http://radian.org/notebook/porsche | Apr 23 09:17 |
| schestowitz | World of crooks is hopefully passing by... by their OWN choice | Apr 23 09:17 |
| schestowitz | "Using Dead People [...] That is how Christine Gregoire was elected as Governor of Washington State. It only makes sense that Microsoft in Redmond would follow suit." Really...? http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story... | Apr 23 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | Newspapers can't quite compete in the Web: http://www.paidcontent.org/entry... (Online-Only Seattle P-I No Longer On Top 30 Newspaper Sites; Hearst Disputes Nielsen Numbers) | Apr 23 09:29 |
| schestowitz | Stocholm: [Fwd: Looking at http://bit.ly/b3h6J . Is it really true that patent statements for ODF only covers full impl. but also partial impl. for OOXML?] http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Plan... The MS shills are busy | Apr 23 09:35 |
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| schestowitz | "A guy running for office in British Columbia, Canada, has dropped out of the election after images of him groping a woman's breast (that first appeared on his Facebook page) came to light." http://techdirt.com/articles/... | Apr 23 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Tom Bray is pessimistic about Oracle buying his employer (his wife got sacked from Sun) http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/Wh... | Apr 23 09:46 |
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| schestowitz | Monty Widenius, MySQL Founder, Forecasts the MySQL Future http://ostatic.com/blog/monty-w... http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/04... | Apr 23 10:07 |
| schestowitz | "Sun's acquisition of MySQL did not go smoothly; most of the MySQL leaders (both commercial and project) have left Sun and the people who are left are sitting with their CV and ready to press send. Oracle, not having the best possible reputation in the open source space, will have a hard time keeping the remaining MySQL people in the company or even working on the MySQL project." | Apr 23 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's beginning to seem likely that Microsoft will announce more layoffs today | Apr 23 10:22 |
| schestowitz | I'll do a post with evidence | Apr 23 10:22 |
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| benJIman | Why don't you just wait and see? | Apr 23 10:23 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: that'll be common knowledge if/when that happens | Apr 23 10:24 |
| benJIman | And what is served by idle speculation in the meantime? | Apr 23 10:28 |
| PetoKraus | journo | Apr 23 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does not deny that more layoffs will be announced today: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/mic... | Apr 23 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Any signs of MS profits yet. | Apr 23 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Most likely I will have to wait to friday to see the numbers. | Apr 23 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Looks the the auto join system is under control schestowitz. | Apr 23 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 23 10:43 |
| oiaohm | I check back on that one .net blog tommore. I think he should have run out of wiggle room. Pulling up the 70 useful with 30 percent waste code was a nice joke thinking that pgroup and msvc has added systems to avoid that. | Apr 23 10:44 |
| schestowitz | The BBC is up to propaganda again: "The BBC gave massive coverage to these innocent mens' arrest and Gordon Brown's and Jacqui Smith's lying statements about them. The real story is the concoction of huge terror scares by politicians for propaganda purposes. But you won't see it on the BBC." http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi... | Apr 23 10:47 |
| schestowitz | When Eric Balir worked for them he complained that they did propaganda | Apr 23 10:47 |
| _air | lol | Apr 23 10:48 |
| _air | schestowitz, isn't it kinda obvious? | Apr 23 10:48 |
| _air | radio and tv ARE propaganda | Apr 23 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Depends on what tv and radio you watch _air | Apr 23 10:48 |
| _air | not of free and open source | Apr 23 10:48 |
| _air | oiaohm, point me to sane radio and tv? | Apr 23 10:49 |
| _air | i don't listen to radio and don't watch tv for a LONG TIME already | Apr 23 10:49 |
| oiaohm | We have a warped channel here that just displays sat feed of weather and plays classical music. | Apr 23 10:50 |
| _air | lol | Apr 23 10:50 |
| _air | it sounds sane XD | Apr 23 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Obama is working for Uncle Tom, not Sam, as Nader put it: Biden promises 'right person' as new U.S. copyright czar < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-1022468... > | Apr 23 10:51 |
| PetoKraus | depends who does the forecast | Apr 23 10:51 |
| oiaohm | No forecast. | Apr 23 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Just the raw sat picture. | Apr 23 10:51 |
| _air | PetoKraus, isn't it always like that? | Apr 23 10:51 |
| _air | i just prefer smth sane | Apr 23 10:51 |
| schestowitz | _air: agreed. I know about public broadcast | Apr 23 10:51 |
| schestowitz | RMS said wisely some years ago that people should just tune in to blogs their trust | Apr 23 10:52 |
| oiaohm | No people need to learn to use there brains. | Apr 23 10:52 |
| _air | lol... you can't trust anything nowadays | Apr 23 10:52 |
| oiaohm | Most PR breaks logic. | Apr 23 10:52 |
| oiaohm | At some point. | Apr 23 10:52 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | Jesus, Nader is a right racist bastard. I don't agree with Obama and Biden on this or all the RIAA appointments and other things, but leave the "Uncle Tom" out of it. That's straight up racism and degrades the conversation. | Apr 23 10:52 |
| _air | don't touch jesus | Apr 23 10:52 |
| _air | he will return to judge people | Apr 23 10:53 |
| schestowitz | EPO are 'pigs': http://www.commondreams.org/head... | Apr 23 10:53 |
| _air | until that time why do you mention him at all without reason? | Apr 23 10:53 |
| PetoKraus | ushimitsudoki1: where? | Apr 23 10:53 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki1: who is Tom? | Apr 23 10:53 |
| schestowitz | I never got the reference. | Apr 23 10:53 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | nader called obama an Uncle Tom before and it comes up again here. That's really poor taste, I think. | Apr 23 10:54 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki1: who is Tom? | Apr 23 10:54 |
| schestowitz | What does that mean? | Apr 23 10:54 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | Uncle Tom is a literary character, a "house slave". It indicates a black man that has sold out his own race, and is clear racism to Americans. | Apr 23 10:54 |
| schestowitz | The FOX crapola daemonised nader by taking it out of context as I understand it | Apr 23 10:54 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki1: OH! | Apr 23 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Not good.. | Apr 23 10:55 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | Uncle Tom's Cabin is the novel. It was in *very* poor taste for Nader to use it a reference. If not straight racism, it was incredibly insensitive on Nader's part. | Apr 23 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki1: understood now | Apr 23 10:55 |
| schestowitz | I though Tom was a reference to corporations | Apr 23 10:55 |
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| ushimitsudoki1 | Obama/Biden need strong criticism on a lot of these appointments - it's very disappointing (if not surprising), but the "uncle tom" thing won't help | Apr 23 10:56 |
| _air | lol | Apr 23 10:57 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom ... first sentence in wiki pretty much covers the literary allusion | Apr 23 10:57 |
| _air | obama... he's just yet another doll | Apr 23 10:57 |
| _air | he just exclaims smth that someone else wants | Apr 23 10:58 |
| _air | go for that someone else? | Apr 23 10:58 |
| _air | why are you always at the surface | Apr 23 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Ewwwwwwww.. tasteless... European government with ALL FLASH SITE! http://www.echr.coe.int/50/en/#home | Apr 23 10:59 |
| oiaohm | Could be worse. | Apr 23 10:59 |
| oiaohm | Could require IE. | Apr 23 10:59 |
| *schestowitz looks at the Wiki | Apr 23 11:01 | |
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| schestowitz | U.K. Man Sues Bank Over 'Phantom' Withdrawals from Chip-and-PIN Account < http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2... > | Apr 23 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Mac Users Prefer Linux Over Windows: http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4272.html | Apr 23 11:02 |
| oiaohm | That is kinda to be expected. | Apr 23 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Thinking some linux confernece the most common laptop at a mac. | Apr 23 11:06 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | Yeah, there are a few mac laptops at my LUG | Apr 23 11:10 |
| schestowitz | What on Earth is the Open Source World Map For? < http://www.computerworlduk.com/communi... > See Microsoft's Linux Heat Map http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/... | Apr 23 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: Phorm Says ISP Trialists Not Looking To Defect < http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entr... > Virgin is on record as being on the fence. Despite being one of three ISPs to sign its initial interest, CEO Neil Berkett told a November investors’ conference in New York... | Apr 23 11:18 |
| oiaohm | http://ostatic.com/blog/steve-ballmer-s... Let the database war begin. | Apr 23 11:23 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: nice | Apr 23 11:28 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm Just having looking at ms dec fiances. | Apr 23 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Goodwill12,490,000 as a asset. | Apr 23 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Not a good thing. | Apr 23 11:31 |
| zer0c00l | Microsofts history of anti-competitive behaviour: http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversi... | Apr 23 11:32 |
| zer0c00l | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s... | Apr 23 11:32 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, seems like there are lot of evidence in that document | Apr 23 11:33 |
| zer0c00l | What we are trying to do is use our server control to do new protocols and lock | Apr 23 11:35 |
| zer0c00l | out Sun and Oracle specifically” | Apr 23 11:35 |
| zer0c00l | -- Bill Gates, Microsoft | Apr 23 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Apr 23 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Sun and Oracle have kinda blood vengance for MS. | Apr 23 11:36 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes, Microsoft is a gangster operation | Apr 23 11:36 |
| schestowitz | And the ring leader gates is as guilty not as a puppy | Apr 23 11:36 |
| zer0c00l | Today i came to know that ms has threatened my educational head on licensing issue | Apr 23 11:37 |
| zer0c00l | my head of the department told me personally | Apr 23 11:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: watch picture: http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2009... | Apr 23 11:38 |
| zer0c00l | they threatened of lock down the whole educational institution | Apr 23 11:38 |
| zer0c00l | so they agreed and signed a MOU with ms | Apr 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Wow. | Apr 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Which educational head | Apr 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Regional? | Apr 23 11:38 |
| zer0c00l | my college | Apr 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Ha | Apr 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Do you have written proof? | Apr 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | It can be anonymised | Apr 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | And be pass to the European Commission | Apr 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | They have fined to serve the criminals from Intel shortly. | Apr 23 11:39 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, i dont have any written proof | Apr 23 11:39 |
| zer0c00l | will try to get one | Apr 23 11:39 |
| zer0c00l | but he said in our valedictory function | Apr 23 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Try getting proof | Apr 23 11:40 |
| zer0c00l | "if you won't buy 200 license we will engage anti-piracy operations on your institution " | Apr 23 11:40 |
| zer0c00l | ok | Apr 23 11:40 |
| zer0c00l | sure i will | Apr 23 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Word of mouth is good, but it's better to show something. | Apr 23 11:41 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: that is extortion | Apr 23 11:41 |
| schestowitz | It's illegal | Apr 23 11:41 |
| schestowitz | And it's very typical | Apr 23 11:41 |
| schestowitz | I heard it before. | Apr 23 11:41 |
| zer0c00l | hmm | Apr 23 11:41 |
| zer0c00l | bad ms | Apr 23 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Anything else you were told? | Apr 23 11:42 |
| zer0c00l | no | Apr 23 11:42 |
| zer0c00l | i will try to collect for sure | Apr 23 11:42 |
| zer0c00l | i raised a question regarding the software usage, | Apr 23 11:42 |
| zer0c00l | so he replied back with these answers | Apr 23 11:43 |
| zer0c00l | he said we were forced | Apr 23 11:43 |
| oiaohm | IBM and Oracle are going to get into a little bit of a fight soon. | Apr 23 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Was there illegal use/copies? | Apr 23 11:43 |
| zer0c00l | no | Apr 23 11:43 |
| schestowitz | I mean, typically there is. | Apr 23 11:43 |
| schestowitz | In certain nations it's common | Apr 23 11:43 |
| oiaohm | MS is kinda going to find themselves in the middle. | Apr 23 11:43 |
| zer0c00l | they are now using some volume licensing | Apr 23 11:43 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft has publicly endorses counterfeiting, so long as people move to another OS | Apr 23 11:43 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: IBM has already manage a new migration route to DB2 | Apr 23 11:44 |
| schestowitz | So they don't stand idly. | Apr 23 11:44 |
| oiaohm | postgresql vs Mysql | Apr 23 11:44 |
| zer0c00l | they paying ms some 1 million yearly | Apr 23 11:44 |
| oiaohm | db2 vs orcale. | Apr 23 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Let the war being. Last one standing. | Apr 23 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Both now make there own servers. | Apr 23 11:45 |
| oiaohm | We have not see a hardware maker face off in a long time. | Apr 23 11:45 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: for how many licences/people? | Apr 23 11:47 |
| oiaohm | The fun part by the end of it. Either IBM will aquire Orcale or Orcale will aquire IBM or a draw. | Apr 23 11:47 |
| zer0c00l | atleast there will be some 800 computers in the college | Apr 23 11:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: their market cap isn't far apart | Apr 23 11:48 |
| zer0c00l | they have only 200 licenses | Apr 23 11:48 |
| schestowitz | 1 million for 1000 PCs? | Apr 23 11:48 |
| zer0c00l | office, visual studio | Apr 23 11:48 |
| zer0c00l | it includes | Apr 23 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Extra addictives :-) | Apr 23 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Get kids to program /for/ Microsoft | Apr 23 11:49 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, yes thats the plan | Apr 23 11:49 |
| schestowitz | And lock their data inside the OOXML capsule that only Microsoft Office can open when they grow up | Apr 23 11:49 |
| oiaohm | I have found ms will get quite cheep when you say in a school envorment MS has 2 options 1 software for nothing 2 Linux gets installed everywhere. | Apr 23 11:49 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: nice company... | Apr 23 11:49 |
| zer0c00l | :( | Apr 23 11:49 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, but the professor has now poised to change the system | Apr 23 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Most times MS chooses the cheap licences. | Apr 23 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Be away of MS other licencing system. Per student zer0c00l | Apr 23 11:50 |
| zer0c00l | he asked me to install GNU/linux in each and every systems | Apr 23 11:50 |
| oiaohm | aware | Apr 23 11:50 |
| zer0c00l | i have installed 200 systems so far | Apr 23 11:50 |
| zer0c00l | just dual booting it | Apr 23 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep that normal MS threat. | Apr 23 11:50 |
| oiaohm | See we have linux here. | Apr 23 11:51 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | Apr 23 11:51 |
| zer0c00l | :) | Apr 23 11:51 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: let me find ref | Apr 23 11:51 |
| schestowitz | That I found this morning. | Apr 23 11:51 |
| schestowitz | "Linux club helps firms hide from Microsoft" | Apr 23 11:51 |
| schestowitz | "Local authorities and companies who are interested in ditching their proprietary software in favour of open source are being encouraged to join a confidential scheme that aims to protect them from the attentions of firms such as Microsoft." | Apr 23 11:51 |
| schestowitz | "The initiative, called The Incubator Club, is said to be a response to the tactics employed by some major software vendors against firms and organisations who consider using Linux." | Apr 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | "According to Eddie Bleasdale of Netproject, an IT consultancy firm that runs The Incubator Club, Microsoft has repeatedly tried to stop potential Linux migrations — sometimes with notable success." | Apr 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | "“Whenever we’ve gone public about a client moving to Linux, Microsoft has come in and offered remarkable incentives for them to stay as they are,” Bleasdale told the Open Source in Local Government conference in London on Tuesday. " | Apr 23 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Per student licencing gets very stupid. | Apr 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Source: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,... | Apr 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | But in this latest case it's extortion | Apr 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | "Pay us for all machines or we sue you" | Apr 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses patents too now | Apr 23 11:52 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, yes | Apr 23 11:52 |
| schestowitz | The vague patent threats | Apr 23 11:52 |
| oiaohm | School with Per student has to pay like 25 dollars per student and you can install as many copies of the software you like. | Apr 23 11:52 |
| oiaohm | So much for anti pirate. | Apr 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | So even if you don't have any licensing issues (with Windows) they'll raise Linux-patents issues | Apr 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Seen before | Apr 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | They use it against large companies | Apr 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Horacio spoke about it in 2007 | Apr 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | The companies don't want to identify themselves | Apr 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Those that sell out, that is. | Apr 23 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Lot of large companies threaten back. | Apr 23 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Its the smaller companies it works on. | Apr 23 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe some companies won't bother fighting back | Apr 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | The idea is to make Linux "Scary" | Apr 23 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Most large companies have large patents. | Apr 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | So they won't want the trouble and just be swayed into Linux | Apr 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | That's Allison's thesis (or was it gpl-violations') about TomTom | Apr 23 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Reason why they hit back they take the point of view MS might anyhow. | Apr 23 11:54 |
| oiaohm | For invalid software installs. | Apr 23 11:55 |
| oiaohm | So they extract extra moment. | Apr 23 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Try to scare device makers who use Linux and don't want to encouter difficulties | Apr 23 11:55 |
| oiaohm | MS only try to scare weak looking device makers. | Apr 23 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Once that look to have good cash reserves they don't touch. | Apr 23 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Layoffs mentioned in mini-msft now: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/04/... | Apr 23 11:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, TomTom reported bad financial results days before MS sued over FAT | Apr 23 11:56 |
| schestowitz | No coincidence IMHO | Apr 23 11:56 |
| schestowitz | They use a vulnerable and demoralised company at times when investors put pressure | Apr 23 11:57 |
| schestowitz | And OIN has not struck back like it promise | Apr 23 11:57 |
| schestowitz | So Microsoft is now going around secretly collecting protection money, saying that TomTom paid, therefore there is no mdeniability | Apr 23 11:57 |
| schestowitz | *deniability | Apr 23 11:57 |
| oiaohm | There has been a lot of other things going on. | Apr 23 11:58 |
| oiaohm | OIN has been sitting back and watching. Lot of .net supporting companies having been jumping ship. | Apr 23 11:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: how is this related? | Apr 23 11:59 |
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| oiaohm | The patent attack on TomTom proved MS patent promise is not worth spit. | Apr 23 12:00 |
| oiaohm | So particular .net companies are looking for other solutions like blender. | Apr 23 12:00 |
| oiaohm | OIN winning against MS might slow that down. | Apr 23 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Yes sometimes it pays to sit back and do nothing and let nature happen. | Apr 23 12:01 |
| oiaohm | I really would hate to be in the OIN chair right now trying to pick the best move. | Apr 23 12:02 |
| MinceR | it happens too slowly | Apr 23 12:02 |
| MinceR | m$ should be killed quickly. | Apr 23 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Patent attacking MS now would not be sure to kill them quickly either. | Apr 23 12:02 |
| oiaohm | They have enough money still to draw it out. | Apr 23 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Yet there money reports say they are in a down wards spirle. | Apr 23 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Rule of business if a tactic has worked well copy it. | Apr 23 12:03 |
| schestowitz | brb | Apr 23 12:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the hard thing is picking the right point to hit MS at its weakest. | Apr 23 12:05 |
| oiaohm | Great MS is delaying it must not be good. After the close of trade they will release the 3Q. | Apr 23 12:08 |
| oiaohm | If its good you normally release it at the start of trade to make stock trade high. | Apr 23 12:08 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I don't agree | Apr 23 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Also, Ubuntu 9.04 has just been officially release | Apr 23 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will do more damage unless it's clipped now | Apr 23 12:09 |
| schestowitz | European Commission need to intervene too | Apr 23 12:10 |
| schestowitz | For all I can gather, Microsoft is now more aggressive then ever | Apr 23 12:10 |
| schestowitz | See how it poisoned the EU panel with its shull Suck | Apr 23 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Why are they more aggressive. | Apr 23 12:10 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: while we wait for that, why not keep hitting them? | Apr 23 12:10 |
| schestowitz | *Shill Zuck, not Shull Suck | Apr 23 12:10 |
| schestowitz | I hit the wrong keys | Apr 23 12:10 |
| MinceR | Shall Suck? | Apr 23 12:10 |
| schestowitz | probably :-) | Apr 23 12:11 |