Bonum Certa Men Certa

Just One Way (Among More) Microsoft Cheats in Vista 7 Number Games

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

--Benjamin Disraeli/others



Disraeli



Summary: Microsoft lies about the impact of Vista 7 and finally we find out how

More evidence of the failures of Vista 7 continues to be uncovered. Acer says that computer sales are roughly flat despite Vista 7 and NPD just lies about it, as usual. According to this, "Vista sold more PCs than Windows 7 did." That's the headline even (CNN blogs).

Another thing to remember about that Vista launch week is that it set a relatively low bar. Retail Vista sales were considerably below Microsoft's forecast — almost 60% lower than sales of Windows XP during its first week in 2001.


The observation above is contradicted by Microsoft boosters like Eric Savitz at the moment. Yes, fans of Microsoft are relying on the lies of NPD. They try to create optimism. In order to understand how Microsoft cooks the numbers, see this discussion in IRC. To quote parts of it:

"This is the first time I have seen this stuff being advertised on a news site of any form," Oiaohm writes, pointing to a new example from Ed Bott. "Microsoft normally does not advertise these cheap ways of software. It's very much like sale numbers are really bad."

MinceR responds with: "strange way of admitting that Windows NT 6.1 is horribly overpriced and nobody wants it"

Oiaohm then says: "The thing that really threw me was on the charity stuff, MinceR. We got a letter selling 12 dollar updates to inventory to get Windows 7. Then went to eopen and checked and all the licences we had were upgraded to support Windows 7 for nothing."

I then argued that "it's like counterfeiting. It wants people to take the most expensive route they can tolerate. Airlines do the same. As long as they don't turn to competitors... see EDGI."

“We got a letter selling 12 dollar updates to inventory to get Windows 7. Then went to eopen and checked and all the licences we had were upgraded to support Windows 7 for nothing.”
      --Oiaohm
MinceR tells Oiaohm: "you mean throwing their crap at random organizations and then claiming it's "charity" and deducting it from their taxes?"

Oiaohm laughs and replies with: "They charge the charity normally like 22 dollars a seat for licences"

MinceR carries on: "oh, that's the best part, when it isn't even gratis"

Oiaohm says: "Then do a donation for the rest from RRP for the Tax Man [...] Yet the charity does not get to see any of that money. It's the a true ripoff. It was odd this time around with the auto upgrade [...] I really think the 22 a seat would be a fair price. [...] Price of disk and shipping [...] Comes to about 15 [Australian] dollars in a lot of cases with handling. [...] And 7 dollars to bribe the sales person to bite [their tongue]."

MinceR concludes as follows: "strangely enough, Canonical manages to ship stuff that doesn't suck nearly so much, gratis."

People already talk about SP1 of Vista 7 [1, 2] due to technical problems in RTM. The previous post contains some examples. Well, even Microsoft has begun talking about SP1 just weeks after the formal release; it's like Vista all over again. It was exactly the same at the time.

Microsoft has resorted to more AstroTurf-type marketing for Vista 7 in Australia. As for the management, it will be blaming the economy again for poor sales of Vista 7. Microsoft relied heavily on this operating system release, but it evidently failed, resulting in more layoffs (now confirmed).

Microsoft booster Paul Thurrott plays this "blame the economy" card; yes, Microsoft can try to just blame the economy rather than its own incompetence and public resentment that it earned by breaking the law so many times. Another article headline says "Microsoft Goes Back on Message: No Recovery in the Works"

Whose recovery? Microsoft's? IBM, Red Hat, Apple and Google are actually doing quite well. Red Hat is hiring.

Some days ago when we posted an update about Microsoft layoffs we also showed that there was offshoring; Although Microsoft describes this latest round of layoffs as "global", the Indian part of the company is hardly affected (whereas Microsoft UK suffers far more considerable losses).

Global software major Microsoft will slash hundreds of jobs globally as part of its effort to realign business activities.

The layoffs are expected to be across different locations and businesses. Sources said the number of possible lay-offs could be close to 800.

When contacted, a Microsoft India spokesperson said the impact on the company's India headcount would be in single digits. The firm currently employs about 5,300 in the country.


It's almost a symbolic reduction. This way they can call it "global" when in fact they just gradually reduce the wages of workers. US senator Charles Grassley protested against this [1, 2, 3, 4] to no avail. Microsoft is laying off across the US, sometimes without announcing it.

Comments

Recent Techrights' Posts

IBM and Microsoft Hiding Layoffs in Similar, Overlapping Ways
Performance Improvement Plans aplenty
IBM is a Cancer That Attaches Itself to Everything
Red Hat should have remained an independent company
Plot Twist: Microsoft MSN Relays Articles Hinting at or Pointing to Mass Layoffs Soon, Other Gossip
the narrative from Microsoft's "PR bunny" (Shaw) is showing mold already
'Vibe Coding' is Not "AI", It's a Sewer, It is Junk
Linus Torvalds was wrong. 'Vibe coding' isn't good for anything.
GNU/Linux May be Approaching 10% "Market Share" in Montenegro
The surge started around 2021
More IBM Layoffs in India
If IBM cannot afford to retain workers in India, then something is truly "out of control" at IBM
Dr. Richard Stallman Has Done No Harm to the GNU Project or the FSF (He Had Benefited Both, Always, Even After the Attacks on Him Began)
Some people try to prevent Dr. Stallman from speaking or having a platform where many people can hear him
Microsoft Isn't Denying the Mass Layoffs
Still silence from Microsoft
In Western Africa GNU/Linux Flirts With 5% Market Share
there's a gradual increase in GNU/Linux usage there
Gemini Links 09/01/2026: Pro1 X Repair and the Mercury Protocol
Links for the day
No, Microsoft Did Not Deny the Q1 Mass Layoffs (Microsoft Can Delay These)
Maybe they disperse or delay the layoffs (changing plans), but the layoffs are going to happen
 
EPO People Power - Part XXX - New Year Starts, Cocainegate Still Discussed a Lot, António Campinos Desperate for Distraction From It
Why the sudden change or 'generosity'? [...] Actual cocaine addicts caused nervous breakdowns among sober people
2026 Might be the Year Microsoft Replaces Layoffs With Mass Firings (No Severance Payments to Dismissed Staff)
It's hard to "see" PIPs unless insiders blow the whistle
Links 10/01/2026: STV Layoffs (Scottish TV), “CBS Evening News” in Chaos (Culls and Censorship by the US Regime)
Links for the day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Friday, January 09, 2026
IRC logs for Friday, January 09, 2026
Gemini Links 10/01/2026: Blackout, E-Waste, and Secondary Smartphone
Links for the day
Links 09/01/2026: Google and Character.AI Implicitly Accept Chatbots Kill Kids and GLP-1 ‘Slimming Pens’ Turn Out to be a Lot Worse Than Advertised
Links for the day
At IBM, "Employee Reviews" (or Appraisals in the UK) Are a "Trojan Horse" for RAs (Mass Layoffs), a Waste of Time
comments from IBMer serve to suggest that appraisals can be precursors
Links 09/01/2026: Technical Blogging Lessons Learned and Google's Gmail Getting a Lot Worse
Links for the day
Escaping GAFAM Colonialism Requires Homegrown Free Software
GNU/Linux now measured at 3% in Zambia
GNU/Linux at 4% in Saudi Arabia, Says statCounter
Some years ago Windows fell to a "market share" of just 11% there
Links 09/01/2026: Cambodia and China Extradition, "NATO’s High-risk Patrols Near Ukraine"
Links for the day
Only One Person in Charge of Fedora is Not IBM Staff
This is not a community project, it's just a way for IBM to onboard unpaid volunteers
This Is Not a Drill, GNU/Linux is Really Going 'Mainstream' on Laptops (and Desktops)
It is important to explain to people software freedom
IBM Albany Layoffs
not only did many in the site lose their job; there's more to come "and likely another one in February" (weeks from now)
EPO Workers' Industrial Action to Include Many Strikes, to Last Several Months
In some ways, The Hague and Bavaria are becoming almost indistinguishable from Moscow
EPO People Power - Part XXIX - Getting DER SPIEGEL, FAZ, Deutschlandfunk and Sueddeutsche Zeitung (SZ) to Cover EPO Scandals
We kindly ask our readers to contact their local media and urge it to cover the scandals
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Thursday, January 08, 2026
IRC logs for Thursday, January 08, 2026
Gemini Links 08/01/2026: "New Year, Old Plans" and Alex's "Butlerian Jihad"
Links for the day
LLM Slop About "Linux" Scarce and of Very Low Quality
At this rate, we reckon there may be one (or zero) per day by year's end
IBM's "Forever Layoffs" (to Bypass Warnings or Notices as Required by WARN Act)
There is a bunch of speculations about when the next "major round" of RAs will be
Attempts to Undermine This Site's Latest Series Using Intimidation, Threats, and Presumptuous Accusations
threatening language is less effective when everyone is an alibi
Links 08/01/2026: "Golden Smartphone" Scam and Riseup Account Issues
Links for the day
Links 08/01/2026: Possible "Collapse of NATO Over Greenland"; Journalistic Malpractice and "US Voters Hate Slop"
Links for the day
EPO People Power - Part XXVIII - A Sensitive Issue for Germany and The Netherlands
If Germans who read this series can communicate this to public officials or to their media, maybe they can strike a nerve and get the ball rolling
Age Discrimination at IBM Discussed Amid Mass Layoffs (Especially in the United States)
Workers are anxious. Are they next to face the axe?
Gemini Links 08/01/2026: Potentiometer Calculator, Power Outages, Why You Should Abandon Discord for IRC (e.g. Ergo), and Formatting Gopher Posts
Links for the day
Links 08/01/2026: More Software Patents Squashed, White House Repeats Misinformation From the Kremlin
Links for the day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, January 07, 2026
IRC logs for Wednesday, January 07, 2026