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Linux Foundation Apparently Celebrates Sysadmin Day With a Microsoft Windows Site!

Posted in GNU/Linux, Kernel, Microsoft, Servers, Windows at 1:34 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

“Greed is not a financial issue. It’s a heart issue.”

Andy Stanley

Summary: The Linux Foundation shows ‘love’ to actual GNU/Linux (the real thing) by apparently rejecting it and badmouthing it

WHEN selling the soul of Linux is more profitable than actually promoting this GPL-licensed kernel it’s not hard to understand how the Linux Foundation turned from a supposed ‘charity’ to a massive enterprise and near-monopoly in that space (e.g. events/conferences).

They ‘own’ Linux.com. They control or manage the Linux trademark. So why would they link to anti-Linux stories (authored by “swapnilbhartiya” yesterday)? Because they just do and most of them don’t even use Linux! As someone put it yesterday:

You go to Google, you look for “Linux” news, a site called Linux.com then shows up with anti-Linux material (this isn’t about Linux but bad devices/users). Well done, Swapnil and Jim. The articles posted nowadays in Linux.com give room for concern. Misleadingly-titled FUD.

“You go to Google, you look for “Linux” news, a site called Linux.com then shows up with anti-Linux material (this isn’t about Linux but bad devices/users).”We’ve meanwhile noticed lots of spammy blog posts (yesterday, Sysadmin Day) from the Linux Foundation in various “Linux” blogs. “Linux Security Blog” participated and “It’s FOSS” did so too. Linux Journal said (in the headline) that “the Linux Foundation Is Having a Sysadmin Day Sale,” adding a promotional link with what seems like tracking/referral code. But that in itself isn’t the issue. It seems like the site in question uses Windows for the server, but we’re not entirely sure. It’s very well disguised (see IRC discussion at the bottom).

It would not be unprecedented for the Linux Foundation to use Windows; applicants apply for a job there using LinkedIn (Microsoft), as we’ve noted before and there’s a lot of Microsoft stuff used by the Foundation’s staff (see discussion below; I know this from my old interactions with Foundation staff). Over the past months I’ve had to resort to humour just to get the point across without offending the offenders, for example:

Yesterday I also noticed this text: “Have directly led revenue growth from $20MM to $50MM, from $80MM to $100MM…”

No, that’s not the Foundation’s chief Jim Zemlin (who sold out Linux… for his 'nonprofit' to make about $100,000,000 per year). That’s what his wife’s LinkedIn profile says. It’s all about money and both strive to grow in just one respect: money! From 20 million to 100 million. What is being achieved? Nothing. A Windows-powered and Mac-powered ‘Linux’ Foundation (Linux only in name).

“Large corporations, of course, are blinded by greed. The laws under which they operate require it – their shareholders would revolt at anything less.”

Aaron Swartz

schestowitz Help needed! Am I crazy or is this site WINDOWS-powered? Help me out here, geeks… https://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/SysadmindaY Jul 17 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org | NO TITLE Jul 17 01:52
schestowitz my initial tests say yes Jul 17 01:52
schestowitz based on more shallow tests Jul 17 01:52
schestowitz I might publish “Celebrates Sysadmin Day With a Microsoft Windows Site!” Jul 17 01:52
schestowitz I mean, LF Celebrates Sysadmin Day With a Microsoft Windows Site! Jul 17 01:52
schestowitz but I am not yet 100% sure it”s Windows at the back end Jul 17 01:53
schestowitz could be mod-speling [sic] in Apache Jul 17 01:53
schestowitz https://identity.linuxfoundation.org/checkout/540473 Jul 17 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://identity.linuxfoundation.org/checkout/540473 ) Jul 17 01:54
schestowitz also this.. Jul 17 01:54
schestowitz https://identity.linuxfoundation.org/checkoUt/540473 Jul 17 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://identity.linuxfoundation.org/checkoUt/540473 ) Jul 17 01:54
schestowitz note case Jul 17 01:54
schestowitz still works with the token here Jul 17 01:54
schestowitz bloody hell! Jul 17 01:55
schestowitz LF…. you also apply for a job there using LinkedIn (Microsoft) Jul 17 01:55
XRevan86 https://identity.linuxfoundation.org/checkoUt/540473 – Varnish Jul 17 01:56
XRevan86 The first link is served by something else. But it won’t tell by which. Jul 17 01:57
schestowitz can you check with me? Jul 17 01:57
schestowitz this is important Jul 17 01:57
XRevan86 It’s not HTTP/2 capable. Jul 17 01:58
XRevan86 https://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/ Jul 17 01:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/ ) Jul 17 01:59
XRevan86 The 403 page looks like something done by Apache Tomcat Jul 17 01:59
schestowitz I did the same thing Jul 17 02:00
schestowitz why is the site case insensitive? Jul 17 02:00
schestowitz Also, see page source Jul 17 02:00
schestowitz lots of “MS” bits Jul 17 02:00
schestowitz I want to be 100% sure we don’t get the story, if any at all, wrong Jul 17 02:00
XRevan86 schestowitz: Maybe they configured case-insensitive matching Jul 17 02:01
XRevan86 It is peculiar. Jul 17 02:02
schestowitz no clues in http headers? Jul 17 02:03
schestowitz Ages ago, more than 10 years, I had FF extensions for that Jul 17 02:03
schestowitz before Mozilla killed xul Jul 17 02:03
XRevan86 schestowitz: Not even a Server header. Jul 17 02:03
XRevan86 schestowitz: Firefox’s devtools can do the job. Jul 17 02:04
XRevan86 but I test with curl Jul 17 02:04
schestowitz any other tricks we can employ? Jul 17 02:04
schestowitz This is a big deal if it turns out to be windows Jul 17 02:04
XRevan86 If I had experience with Windows servers, maybe I’d know what to look for… Jul 17 02:04
XRevan86 or with Java servers for that matter… Jul 17 02:05
XRevan86 I know https://linux.org.ru/ is using Tomcat, and it is case-sensitive. Jul 17 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LINUX.ORG.RU — Русская информация об ОС Linux Jul 17 02:05
XRevan86 https://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/ – Gallery Jul 17 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru | Галерея Jul 17 02:05
XRevan86 https://www.linux.org.ru/Gallery/ – 404 Jul 17 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.linux.org.ru/Gallery/ ) Jul 17 02:05
XRevan86 schestowitz: But maybe it is really mod_speling Jul 17 02:08
XRevan86 and they then just turned off HTTP headers that give away configuration Jul 17 02:08
XRevan86 At least we know it’s Java and not ASP.NET Jul 17 02:09
schestowitz which domain? Jul 17 02:11
XRevan86 cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org Jul 17 02:11
cubexyz check with netcraft? Jul 17 02:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Proxmox VE 6.0 released! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125966 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f3b82e95-d9ea-42e1-b380-6be86812a61b] Jul 17 02:12
XRevan86 cubexyz: Doesn’t tell anything of interest. Jul 17 02:13
schestowitz I thought about it Jul 17 02:13
schestowitz but did not do it Jul 17 02:13
schestowitz as I thought it might not even be on their radar yet Jul 17 02:13
cubexyz merely says “unknown” Jul 17 02:13
schestowitz seems like a new site or some internal “office” crap Jul 17 02:13
schestowitz how else can we test? Jul 17 02:14
schestowitz I don’t want to get the story wrong, that’s all Jul 17 02:14
XRevan86 > OS: F5 BIG-IP Jul 17 02:14
XRevan86 It did say that though Jul 17 02:14
schestowitz as that can be used to discredit everything we ever said re LF Jul 17 02:14
XRevan86 How can it tell? Jul 17 02:14
cubexyz there’s wappalyzer Jul 17 02:14
schestowitz can you have a go at it? Jul 17 02:14
cubexyz sure Jul 17 02:14
schestowitz Maybe they have the OS quite well Jul 17 02:14
schestowitz mind you, they use LOTS of MSFT internalluy Jul 17 02:15
schestowitz I know this from their PR rep Jul 17 02:15
schestowitz but demonstrating it, like link with proof, would help… Jul 17 02:15
cubexyz mysql, php, wordpress, OWL, bootstrap, jquery Jul 17 02:17
XRevan86 cubexyz: I doubt that Jul 17 02:17
XRevan86 there’s no wordpress there Jul 17 02:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Univention Corporate Server 4.4-1/Point Release UCS 4.4-1: performance improvements, app recommendations and UDM REST API Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125967 [https://pleroma.site/objects/94f199ef-a04b-473c-a4a1-288f05bf6166] Jul 17 02:18
schestowitz cubexyz: does not look like wordpress Jul 17 02:19
schestowitz even if you look at page source Jul 17 02:19
schestowitz it looks like a really poorly-made CMS of some kind Jul 17 02:19
schestowitz but I want to know the US Jul 17 02:20
XRevan86 WordPress is PHP. Jul 17 02:20
schestowitz OS Jul 17 02:20
cubexyz no idea, just saying what wappalyzer says Jul 17 02:20
XRevan86 This is Java. Jul 17 02:20
schestowitz I imagine the CMS is proprietary anyway Jul 17 02:20
schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1151297943745568768 Jul 17 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: We are the LINUX FOUNDATION We OWN Linux dot com! We link to anti -Linux stories Because we just do (and we don’t e… https://t.co/UoJrMddR6K Jul 17 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: We are the LINUX FOUNDATION We OWN Linux dot com! We link to anti -Linux stories Because we just do (and we don’t e… https://t.co/UoJrMddR6K Jul 17 02:21
schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/1150987858083295232 Jul 17 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: “swapnilbhartiya” at #zemlinpac continues using the site LINUX dot com to promote #microsoft crap. [facepalm] https://t.co/BOIY5nmFWU Jul 17 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights–> Aqua Security Launches Microsoft Azure Marketplace Private Offers | Linux.com | The source for Linux information Jul 17 02:21
XRevan86 I don’t think there’s a way to tell Jul 17 02:24
cubexyz thelinuxfoundation.org runs nginx on linux Jul 17 02:25
cubexyz according to netcraft Jul 17 02:25
XRevan86 Does plain Tomcat support “Content-Encoding: gzip”? Jul 17 02:25
schestowitz That would make sense for the main site Jul 17 02:25
schestowitz but for sales etc. Jul 17 02:25
schestowitz not sure Jul 17 02:25
XRevan86 And they’re using AWS Jul 17 02:27
schestowitz that’s not unusual Jul 17 02:27
schestowitz would be worse if they used MSAzure Jul 17 02:28
XRevan86 That’d make my day Jul 17 02:28
XRevan86 Port scanning (nmap) revealed only that whoever configured cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org configured the firewall restrictively Jul 17 02:29
XRevan86 At least ICMP is open Jul 17 02:30
XRevan86 80, 113, 443, nothing else Jul 17 02:30
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Network Security Toolkit 30-11210 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125968 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ec0ec5d4-88eb-4a05-9512-c9c86c76140a] Jul 17 02:31
XRevan86 The main site has IPv6, cloud.email. doesn’t. Jul 17 02:31
schestowitz I guess we still don’t know what it runs Jul 17 02:33
schestowitz and the checkout (identity) part Jul 17 02:33
schestowitz they got some company from the outside to do it Jul 17 02:33
schestowitz and maybe it’s not Linux Jul 17 02:33
XRevan86 It’s most likely Linux just because the odds are generally in that direction. Jul 17 02:34
XRevan86 Who’d deploy a Java website on Windows? Some kind of insane Microsoft fan I guess. But then, why not ASP.NET? Jul 17 02:34
schestowitz don’t bet on kt! Jul 17 02:34
schestowitz it! Jul 17 02:34
schestowitz This is the LF Jul 17 02:34
XRevan86 oh no Jul 17 02:37
XRevan86 I’ve checked nmap’s capabilities Jul 17 02:37
XRevan86 -O: Enable OS detection Jul 17 02:37
XRevan86 -sV: Probe open ports to determine service/version info Jul 17 02:37
XRevan86 > 443/tcp open   ssl/upnp Microsoft IIS httpd Jul 17 02:37
XRevan86 Guess flipping what Jul 17 02:37
XRevan86 > Running (JUST GUESSING): F5 Networks embedded (93%), F5 Networks TMOS 11.6.X (87%), OpenBSD 4.X (87%) Jul 17 02:38
XRevan86 > OS CPE: cpe:/o:f5:tmos:11.6 cpe:/o:openbsd:openbsd:4.0 Jul 17 02:38
XRevan86 > Aggressive OS guesses: F5 BIG-IP Edge Gateway (93%), F5 BIG-IP Local Traffic Manager load balancer (TMOS 11.6) (87%), OpenBSD 4.0 (87% Jul 17 02:38
XRevan86 Just like netcraft, it thinks it’s most likely something from F5 Jul 17 02:38
XRevan86 but HTTP server probing gave a better idea Jul 17 02:39
XRevan86 schestowitz: Good thing I didn’t bet. Jul 17 02:39
XRevan86 You seem speechless %) Jul 17 02:40
cubexyz isn’t port 443 just HTTP over SSL… not necessarily M$ Jul 17 02:41
XRevan86 cubexyz: That’s “-sV: Probe open ports to determine service/version info” Jul 17 02:41
XRevan86 that’s its guess Jul 17 02:42
cubexyz hmmm, yeah Jul 17 02:43
cubexyz doesn’t look good Jul 17 02:44
schestowitz maybe I will publish IRC noted to accompany this Jul 17 02:44
schestowitz *IRC notes Jul 17 02:44
schestowitz as we are not sure Jul 17 02:44
schestowitz Get a load of this today Jul 17 02:44
schestowitz https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/microsoft-and-red-hat-inspired Jul 17 02:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Microsoft and Red Hat, inspired Jul 17 02:44
XRevan86 schestowitz: The evidence is: Jul 17 02:45
XRevan86 1. case-insensitivity for no apparent reason Jul 17 02:45
XRevan86 2. nmap -sV cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org guesses HTTP is handled by “Microsoft IIS httpd” Jul 17 02:45
schestowitz I think it is probable Jul 17 02:46
schestowitz as soon as I saw the site and then the structure (marketing cruft appended to URL) Jul 17 02:47
schestowitz Then I checked page source Jul 17 02:47
schestowitz Been there, seen that… red flags Jul 17 02:47
schestowitz Also “cloud” Jul 17 02:47
schestowitz I know they used MS for office things Jul 17 02:47
schestowitz like in-office comms Jul 17 02:47
schestowitz Their PR reps used that to communicate with me ages ago Jul 17 02:47
schestowitz Dan Brown and others… Jul 17 02:48
XRevan86 https://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/SYSADM~1/ well, at least this didn’t work :D Jul 17 02:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/SYSADM~1/ ) Jul 17 02:49
schestowitz joke or some element of truth to it? Jul 17 02:50
cubexyz didn’t M$ give the win7 code to russia recently? Jul 17 02:50
schestowitz I get the joke Jul 17 02:50
cubexyz or not recently… it may have been a while ago Jul 17 02:50
XRevan86 https://github.com/irsdl/IIS-ShortName-Scanner some element of truth to it Jul 17 02:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub – irsdl/IIS-ShortName-Scanner: latest version of scanners for IIS short filename (8.3) disclosure vulnerability Jul 17 02:51
XRevan86 Tried using https://nmap.org/nsedoc/scripts/http-iis-short-name-brute.html, no effect. Jul 17 02:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nmap.org | http-iis-short-name-brute NSE Script Jul 17 02:56
XRevan86 StackOverflow isn’t either. Jul 17 02:57
XRevan86 nmap -sV detects Varnish on StackOverflow Jul 17 02:59
XRevan86 > via: 1.1 varnish Jul 17 02:59
XRevan86 I thought they’re on Windows Server Jul 17 02:59
schestowitz no, not likely Jul 17 02:59
schestowitz the (co)founder has some MSFT connections Jul 17 02:59
schestowitz books etc. Jul 17 02:59
schestowitz CodingHorror guy Jul 17 03:00
schestowitz the site, however, isn’t so… and he clarified to me he never worked for Microsoft directly Jul 17 03:00
XRevan86 Wikipedia states that Stack Overflow is written in C# Jul 17 03:00
XRevan86 Considering that .NET Core is a very new thing, it is most likely on Windows. Jul 17 03:01
XRevan86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_Overflow#Technology Jul 17 03:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Stack Overflow – Wikipedia Jul 17 03:01
XRevan86 I guess they have a separate server as a reverse proxy for security and reliability. Jul 17 03:01
XRevan86 it is also case-insensitive Jul 17 03:03
XRevan86 no Varnish will change that :) Jul 17 03:03
schestowitz that’s quite common Jul 17 03:03
XRevan86 So yea, nmap detected it right. Jul 17 03:03
schestowitz only hours ago at work I deat with Jul 17 03:03
XRevan86 it figured it’s Varnish, and it is Jul 17 03:03
schestowitz apache behind nginx, on Ubuntu/Debian Jul 17 03:04
schestowitz no varnish Jul 17 03:04
schestowitz nginx stuff as reverse proxy Jul 17 03:04
XRevan86 schestowitz: Apache httpd is redundant in this case in most cases. Jul 17 03:04
schestowitz also helps hide fro probers like nmap Jul 17 03:04
XRevan86 schestowitz: The Stack Overflow is different in that they have to get a separate server to do the job. Jul 17 03:05
XRevan86 Because Varnish reportedly doesn’t work on Windows. Jul 17 03:05
XRevan86 * The Stack Overflow case Jul 17 03:05
XRevan86 schestowitz: nginx in front of Apache httpd introduces almost no overhead. Jul 17 03:06
schestowitz yes, or a VM Jul 17 03:06
schestowitz it does not have to run on the host/backend Jul 17 03:06
XRevan86 So… why wouldn’t you, right Jul 17 03:06
schestowitz you could even run it as a VM under Windows Jul 17 03:07
XRevan86 schestowitz: True, but I doubt that’s very efficient either. Jul 17 03:07
XRevan86 It’s a high-load website. Jul 17 03:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Seven Concerns Open Source Should Worry About – Part 1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125969 [https://pleroma.site/objects/387bf941-25b0-41b6-be31-c401127a895f] Jul 17 03:09
XRevan86 3. they don’t bother this much on the main website to hide set-up information Jul 17 03:12
XRevan86 Overall it looks like it was an outsource job, and no one cared enough to do it differently. But cared enough to cover the tracks a little bit. Jul 17 03:14
XRevan86 If they really wanted to hide the fact that this is Windows, they’d reverse proxy it. Jul 17 03:15
XRevan86 But I guess since it’s likely not in their network (I didn’t check), the overhead from proxying is unpleasant. Jul 17 03:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top 15 Best Forum Software For Linux in 2019 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125970 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f850f594-b34a-40fa-bf10-ee8544d1f956] Jul 17 03:18
schestowitz might be worth checking host location Jul 17 03:24
schestowitz LF is in Portland IIRC Jul 17 03:24
schestowitz if not SF Jul 17 03:24
schestowitz I think it’s ambiguous and some are ‘home workers’ Jul 17 03:24
schestowitz I’m pretty sure Jim Zemlin isSF-based, or somewhere near in CA Jul 17 03:24
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  1. Canta said,

    July 17, 2019 at 12:52 pm


    * Headers say drupal+apache.

    * Case insensitivity may easily be a collateral damage of drupal or other higher level framework functionality, like “friendly urls”. The same goes for all the M$ compatibility crap in the html code.

    * cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org shows reports ident port. I dont remember seeing a win machine with ident port, doesn’t sound like a popular thing to do. But may be wrong on this.

    * nmap thinks they’re both dedicated LB devices. And there’s the varnish headers.

    * nmap guesses on 80 and 443 look like false positives. Easily a collateral damage of getting stuff in the middle, like dedicated balancing hardware. Should check the guess logic though.

    So there COULD be a win machine behind that, as stated in the chat. But so far it looks unlikely: for that to happen, they should had to change IIS to look like something else, or installing every linux-friendly stuff in a Win machine online (when we all know win is more expensive and less reliable). I mean… It had to be done with malice, or just for the trolling fun, otherwise is just ridiculous. Different would had been the case if they’re using an ASP.NET website.


    * view-source:http://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/ is in iso-8859-1, and the fonts are all windows only.

    * If you telnet to the server and do a bad request (note the lowercase “get”), you get a response not even in iso-8859-1, but directly in us-ascii. My local terminal (ubuntu 18.04) apache doesn’t do that.

    $ telnet cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org 80
    Connected to cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org.
    Escape character is ‘^]’.
    get /index.html

    Bad Request

    Bad Request – Invalid Verb
    HTTP Error 400. The request verb is invalid.

    Connection closed by foreign host.

    Creepy. But still debatable.

  2. Canta said,

    July 17, 2019 at 1:03 pm


    Well, I’ll be damn.
    Didn’t figured it out, but that error page on root http://cloud.email.thelinuxfoundation.org/ is IIS’s. I forgot its look and took it for apache’s.


    This is sad.

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