●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, June 01, 2022 ●● ● Jun 01 [00:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:34] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:34] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 01 [01:22] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:24] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@y4xqbx2nsfp9w.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 01 [02:03] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:17] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@swdc7insvgbjg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:18] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:20] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:21] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [02:28] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@zksheg6xfkz2c.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:37] *techrights_guest|17 (~810cab93@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:38] *techrights_guest|17 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [02:58] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [02:58] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 01 [04:22] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Jun 01 [07:19] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:23] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:26] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 01 [08:58] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[09:34] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:34] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 01 [10:24] schestowitz-TR today I slept a lot extra [10:24] schestowitz-TR our negotiation inside the company resume this afternoon [10:24] schestowitz-TR but the more important meetings are in 2 weeks [10:24] schestowitz-TR yesterday we got the salary, about 3,1k net [10:24] schestowitz-TR we cannot keep it that high, but saving helps secure the future [10:24] schestowitz-TR I've just checked the gz archives for today, they're OK ● Jun 01 [11:20] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:25] schestowitz-TR Anil Dash https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/podcast-episode-wordle-and-web-we-need | Sourc Anil Dash https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/podcast-episode-wordle-and-web-we-need | Source: EFFe: EFF [11:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Podcast Episode: Wordle and the Web We Need | Electronic Frontier Foundation [11:45] Techrights-sec ack ● Jun 01 [12:22] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:22] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:26] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@f48wifazixtwa.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:47] schestowitz-TR "I'm new to Gemini. I made a post to Antenna, the blog aggregator. I was interested to see how many hits it generated over 24 hours. After some data munging, I came up with this" gemini://blinkyshark.chickenkiller.com/2022-06-01-gemini-analytics.gmi [12:48] schestowitz-TR back to coffee today as only two large lemons are left, the firmest of them all [12:48] schestowitz-TR so no need to hurry anymore [12:56] schestowitz-TR serious question: should we make more posts about gemini [12:56] schestowitz-TR as in gemini about gemini [12:56] schestowitz-TR or no need for now? [12:56] schestowitz-TR it's one thing some have complained about [12:56] schestowitz-TR like flattering oneself [12:56] Techrights-sec ^wrong paste [12:56] Techrights-sec no need for now, but posts about gemini in http would probably still be helpful [12:56] Techrights-sec but not often unless /not/ self-referring [12:56] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jun 01 [13:02] Techrights-sec ack [13:02] Techrights-sec gemini:// protocol links might not pull people to use Gemini; they need info [13:02] Techrights-sec about how to get the clients first [13:02] Techrights-sec so far elpa-elpher is in the repositories for Debian derivatives. it can [13:02] Techrights-sec be promoted [13:03] schestowitz-TR ok, I know what to do [13:03] schestowitz-TR I'll drop it in as a "by the way" [13:03] schestowitz-TR or, as more links in Daily Links [13:03] schestowitz-TR to give it presence and exposure [13:03] schestowitz-TR yes, getting people to fetch a proper client is a challenge [13:03] schestowitz-TR in the proxy it's mentioned at top of all pages [13:03] schestowitz-TR you said alfora is already, tetatively, in debian 12+derivs (to come) [13:03] schestowitz-TR so it's going to the right direction, even if slowly [13:04] Techrights-sec amfora is in the main repository for the latest version AFAIK but not the derivatives yet [13:06] schestowitz-TR I use it on 3 machines [13:06] schestowitz-TR on my main machines iirc I have 8 clients [13:10] schestowitz-TR rave: around geminispace we're recognised as prolific posters, proponents, and coders [13:10] schestowitz-TR as the other capsules are small and relatively inactive [13:10] schestowitz-TR so it puts us in a strong position [13:10] schestowitz-TR many of the original leaders are infrequent posters [13:10] schestowitz-TR last month we served 500,000 pages [13:10] schestowitz-TR and those were not 'masturbatory' gemini posts about gemini [13:10] schestowitz-TR but about all sorts of issues [13:11] Techrights-sec yes, lots of posts show that the capsule is active but the shorter posts, [13:11] Techrights-sec especially "memes" need to be summarized in a way which is useful for Gemini [13:11] Techrights-sec Many of them are, but it is an area which has a lot of room for improvement. [13:11] Techrights-sec Since the Gemini users are probably skilled and or early adoptwers, they [13:11] Techrights-sec are an important community to reach [13:12] Techrights-sec the *text* is the important part IMHO [13:12] Techrights-sec The image is (or should be) just supplemental [13:13] schestowitz-TR given the increased storage capacity I can upload select memes to gemini:// [13:13] schestowitz-TR for those who use a GUI or image viewer [13:13] schestowitz-TR those files are relatively small [13:13] schestowitz-TR would there be value to adding an http/s link next to image: description? [13:13] Techrights-sec No, I would think not. [13:18] schestowitz-TR thinking aloud here, [13:18] schestowitz-TR surely a gemini proxy for images can or could be set up which takes a request specific [13:18] schestowitz-TR to a jpeg or similar and sends that back over gemini [13:18] schestowitz-TR the existing proxy sends that as stream already [13:18] schestowitz-TR but some adaptation it could work in reverse [13:18] schestowitz-TR serving the http-served objects over gemini instead [13:18] schestowitz-TR without having to store the file statically in two place [13:18] schestowitz-TR only transiently or dynamically, upon demand, ay the proxy endpoint [13:18] schestowitz-TR it could even be media.techrights.org [13:18] schestowitz-TR and be its own server software or daemon looking if media.techrights.org/xxxxxxx.jpg [13:18] schestowitz-TR does correspond to an object over http in techrights.org/xxxxxxx.jpg [13:18] schestowitz-TR without having to waste space [13:18] schestowitz-TR basically a protocol converter [13:19] Techrights-sec The links for the images could point to the other server and be HTTPS / HTTP [13:19] Techrights-sec instead of converting them [13:22] schestowitz-TR the gemini clients I tested with would not render, not in line anyway, images that [13:22] schestowitz-TR are served over protocols other than titan, gopher, gemini etc. [13:22] schestowitz-TR the idea is to "protect" the user from what we strive to "replace" [13:22] schestowitz-TR a crazier approach is [13:23] schestowitz-TR a) use rianne's pi with agate and external drive [13:23] schestowitz-TR b) instead of drive use /uploads directory from the site [13:23] schestowitz-TR rsynch overnight [13:23] schestowitz-TR run over port 1966 [13:23] schestowitz-TR and serve on it media.techrights.org [13:23] schestowitz-TR then, any attachments [so to speak] from the main site [13:23] schestowitz-TR would be accessible over media.tr:1966 [13:23] schestowitz-TR with the same path structure [13:25] Techrights-sec complicated and prone to more race conditions [13:28] schestowitz-TR the gemini clients I tested with would not render, not in line anyway, images that [13:28] schestowitz-TR are served over protocols other than titan, gopher, gemini etc. [13:28] schestowitz-TR the idea is to "protect" the user from what we strive to "replace" [13:28] schestowitz-TR a crazier approach is [13:28] schestowitz-TR a) use rianne's pi with agate and external drive [13:28] schestowitz-TR b) instead of drive use /uploads directory from the site [13:28] schestowitz-TR rsynch overnight [13:28] schestowitz-TR run over port 1966 [13:28] schestowitz-TR and serve on it media.techrights.org [13:28] schestowitz-TR then, any attachments [so to speak] from the main site [13:28] schestowitz-TR would be accessible over media.tr:1966 [13:28] schestowitz-TR with the same path structure [13:28] schestowitz-TR aside from the rsync part, deploying the existing 'upload' directory to a pi (32gb) and setting up a gemini account would take [13:28] schestowitz-TR me less than 1 hour [13:28] schestowitz-TR then, if the site is offline, there would be alternative access to these objects [13:28] schestowitz-TR objects that ipfs lacks as it only has the bulletins and irc logs (those are not under 'uploads' [13:28] schestowitz-TR at the moment, as rianne and I don't know what comes next month, that pi might be used as a VPN and remain on VPN [13:28] schestowitz-TR most of the time [13:29] Techrights-sec VPN is useful in some contexts but at the end of the day they exist almost [13:29] Techrights-sec exclusively because M$ products cant be exposed to the net and the old [13:29] Techrights-sec 1980s zero trust model was eliminated [13:31] Techrights-sec all that is managed by role-based authentication, authorization, and acccess [13:31] Techrights-sec which M$ eliminated in the 00s [13:31] Techrights-sec The broke the net [13:31] Techrights-sec ^They [13:33] schestowitz-TR the use of vpn in our company is complicated [13:33] schestowitz-TR it is inherited from policies of clients [13:33] schestowitz-TR and also being able to "shut out" former employees [13:33] schestowitz-TR removing account works [13:33] schestowitz-TR but not when the access credential are for companies other than ours [13:33] schestowitz-TR did you see what mr. krebs wrote about costa rica yesterday? [13:33] schestowitz-TR it's in my notes now for next Security Leftovers (TM) [13:33] Techrights-sec no [13:33] Techrights-sec I'll check [13:33] Techrights-sec Interesting re-use of the name Hive: [13:33] Techrights-sec this may suffer reputational damage from all that, though it is not involved: [13:33] Techrights-sec https://www.hive.fi/ [13:33] Techrights-sec Like the "Raspberry" ransomware or whatever that was the other week [13:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.hive.fi | Hive Helsinki [13:36] schestowitz-TR OK, anyway scrap/shelve that idea about adding TR objects (PDFs, images) to gemini:// [13:36] schestowitz-TR it seems like a simple idea but a lot of work, esp. long-term maintenance [13:36] schestowitz-TR there are like 50,000 objects there and they are large [13:36] schestowitz-TR can become a burden on the home network [13:36] schestowitz-TR maybe next year we'll take a bite againt at fibreoptics [13:36] Techrights-sec ok [13:36] schestowitz-TR once it has been more properly tested [13:36] schestowitz-TR our connection has been very robust during the pandemic times [13:36] schestowitz-TR don't want to risk that [13:36] schestowitz-TR also no further outages since last week's incident [13:36] schestowitz-TR although we had bad, soggy weather, unlike a week ago [13:36] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: ^^ [13:37] schestowitz-TR discussed here... at the moment [13:37] schestowitz-TR we only have about 1Mbit UPstream [13:37] psydroid2 oh right [13:37] schestowitz-TR some images are MBs in size [13:37] psydroid2 so it may be better not to do that [13:37] psydroid2 it wouldn't make sense [13:37] schestowitz-TR gemini pages are like <10KB [13:41] Techrights-sec ack [13:42] schestowitz-TR prior to the next AC meeting, determining the future of "Tony", I expect us to have many textial publications [13:42] schestowitz-TR lately we've focus on many, many Daily Links [13:42] schestowitz-TR seeing that other sites are struggling at it [13:42] schestowitz-TR TuxMachines is 18 shortly [13:44] Techrights-sec ack ● Jun 01 [14:39] schestowitz-TR OTA [14:39] schestowitz-TR go over gemini [14:39] schestowitz-TR draft ● Jun 01 [15:20] Techrights-sec ack [15:20] Techrights-sec could use a link to a gemini client [15:21] schestowitz-TR right, too late now [15:21] schestowitz-TR meeting i n 10 mins [15:22] schestowitz-TR wine in the fridge either way [15:22] schestowitz-TR even if i get my part time freedom [15:22] schestowitz-TR i always felty it would be imploite to ask [15:22] Techrights-sec ack [15:22] Techrights-sec good luck ● Jun 01 [16:59] schestowitz-TR i put forth my suggestion of going part time [16:59] schestowitz-TR it was welcomed by ceo [16:59] schestowitz-TR but colleagues ... no comment [16:59] Techrights-sec the colleagues probably do not benefit from a reduction in your hours, both [16:59] Techrights-sec because of the skillset and experience you have and the extra hours they [16:59] Techrights-sec will have to cover ● Jun 01 [17:01] schestowitz-TR it is worse [17:01] schestowitz-TR me suggesting this means they too might have to consider thre same [17:01] schestowitz-TR and I don't know if their spouses are employed [17:01] schestowitz-TR we would be fine with net 2k instead or ~3k [17:01] schestowitz-TR for them, under 1k barely covers rent [17:01] schestowitz-TR they live near london [17:07] schestowitz-TR ceo loved my suggestion [17:07] schestowitz-TR welcomed it and mentioned it 3 times, rianne recalls [17:07] schestowitz-TR calling it "generous" [17:07] schestowitz-TR I've long wanted to do this [17:07] schestowitz-TR and now there's a chance to do so without it being "imploite" [17:07] schestowitz-TR but "generous" :-) [17:07] schestowitz-TR it's enough to sail into retirement (assuming we stay afloat another 23 years... we turn 24 this year) [17:07] schestowitz-TR without spending a few hours per week, maybe a net of 1-2 hours a week (net work) [17:07] schestowitz-TR based on the scoring they showed, I rank high for never taking any sick leave, ever, and working longer than all the colleagues [17:07] schestowitz-TR you might call it "semi early retirement" [17:07] Techrights-sec good that it was well received there [17:08] schestowitz-TR I will finalise my text accordingly maybe 4 weeks from now [17:08] schestowitz-TR to not say anything that can afford [17:08] schestowitz-TR *offend (sorry, wine's fault) [17:10] schestowitz-TR I joins Fed 11 2011 so it's kind of a long-term commitment by today's awful standards (not many people last over a decade; [17:10] schestowitz-TR for rianne it's her longgest job... second longest was 8.5 years) [17:10] schestowitz-TR *I joined Feb 2011 [17:15] Techrights-sec ack [17:34] Techrights-sec does the company have any formally recognized advatages for seniority? [17:35] schestowitz-TR it is one of the factors in case of redundancies [17:35] schestowitz-TR among others [17:35] schestowitz-TR but remember it's a "milking" thing [17:35] schestowitz-TR no desire to advance [17:35] schestowitz-TR full-time activism is a lot more important [17:35] schestowitz-TR but acticism is not a source of income [17:48] Techrights-sec ack [17:50] schestowitz-TR also, when you aim low you can end up on top [17:50] schestowitz-TR when you aim high, you're getting knackered keeping up [17:50] schestowitz-TR I need all my energy for TR [17:50] schestowitz-TR rianne for TM [17:50] Techrights-sec ack [17:50] schestowitz-TR she took the b runk of my work shifts at times [17:50] schestowitz-TR *brant [17:50] schestowitz-TR *brunt [17:51] schestowitz-TR I do aim high, but not in my job [17:51] Techrights-sec ack [17:56] Techrights-sec https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-02-07 [17:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Dilbert Comic Strip on 1995-02-07 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [17:59] schestowitz-TR yes, I did wear better clothes this week [17:59] schestowitz-TR as there was a meerting coming [17:59] schestowitz-TR (I had to click continue about 50 times to watch this giuft) ● Jun 01 [18:01] Techrights-sec there is no javascript at the above, at least no obligatory js [18:01] schestowitz-TR many domains [18:03] Techrights-sec works fine with noscript cranked all the way up [18:04] schestowitz-TR "better clothes" = mor 'forma' [18:04] schestowitz-TR not comfortable [18:04] schestowitz-TR so as to not gives the "slob" impression [18:06] Techrights-sec ack [18:06] schestowitz-TR no js plugins tackle one particular problem [18:06] schestowitz-TR but one of many [18:16] schestowitz-TR so far this season it has never been warm enough for me to open the door for air rather than "hear the football fans" [18:16] schestowitz-TR so I've not had a chance to work with the laptop outdoors... since last summer [18:16] schestowitz-TR i need some direct sun exposure, even if for a short period of time ● Jun 01 [19:02] Techrights-sec ack [19:03] schestowitz-TR Just now: Cities with Nice Weather gemini://thefringthing.smol.pub/1654091388 [19:04] Techrights-sec time [19:05] Techrights-sec ack ● Jun 01 [20:16] *libertybox__ (~schestowitz_log@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [20:17] *libertybox_ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) [20:49] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ujuphqf8nitv8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 01 [22:51] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [22:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 01 [23:53] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer)