●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, January 02, 2023 ●● ● Jan 02 [01:13] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@auubhxtweg528.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:13] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [01:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:27] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [01:27] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@auubhxtweg528.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:45] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:45] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:52] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [01:52] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@auubhxtweg528.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 02 [02:11] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:11] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:41] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:42] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 02 [03:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [03:16] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:27] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [03:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 02 [04:11] schestowitz-TR tarring /var/www/tuxmachines [04:11] schestowitz-TR doing a few more backups [04:11] schestowitz-TR a month from now we should have faster connection at home [04:11] schestowitz-TR that wouldhelp with offsite backups [04:12] schestowitz-TR oh, I see this backup now includes your static gallery mirror [04:28] techrightssec2 the gallery mirror should not be backed up yet, so that is an oversight [04:28] techrightssec2 the methods for converting the gallery to a static site are still being hammered [04:28] techrightssec2 out and will need more time. perhaps the simplest way is to delete that directory hierarchy for now? [04:30] schestowitz-TR no need, it's OK [04:30] schestowitz-TR the gz file for the htdoc is about 1.7gb [04:30] schestowitz-TR instead of about 700mb [04:30] schestowitz-TR not a huge deal [04:30] schestowitz-TR I like to keep such dumps in case the db breaks itself or something [04:30] schestowitz-TR lots of work going into that site [04:30] schestowitz-TR i try to think ahead pessimistically for D-R purposes [04:30] schestowitz-TR in fact, I need to back up my laptops again today, before news "picks up" [04:31] techrightssec2 but the gallery is only partially there in that directory. [04:31] schestowitz-TR the "master copy" is in old, or rather, in the db container (mariadb) [04:33] techrightssec2 ack [04:33] techrightssec2 \ [04:35] schestowitz-TR am downloading full file system backup of my personal site atm [04:35] schestowitz-TR over 20 years of stuff [04:35] schestowitz-TR I've just done a second pass through gemini due to new year's tasks [04:35] schestowitz-TR and did in fact find an oversight [04:35] schestowitz-TR there was a bulletin index page missing the link to the new year [04:35] schestowitz-TR so I'm not satisfied all is covered [04:35] schestowitz-TR and added that to my node for next year (jan 2024) [04:35] schestowitz-TR i can finally say I caught up with ress feeds (jan 2nd) [04:35] schestowitz-TR i paced it that way [04:37] techrightssec2 ack [04:38] schestowitz-TR due to economic woes LOTS of sites shut down, quietly [04:38] schestowitz-TR this means lots of history is lost [04:38] schestowitz-TR if you endure this, you might be the last one to cover topics x y and z [04:38] schestowitz-TR that in itself has importanace [04:38] techrightssec2 strangely short clips: >http://techrights.org/2023/01/01/richard-stallman-nit-calicut/ [04:38] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Richard Stallman Recently Went to India to Give Talks | Techrights [04:43] schestowitz-TR those are the only ones that I could find [04:43] schestowitz-TR and only today [04:43] schestowitz-TR at least evidence he was hopping between unis there [04:43] schestowitz-TR fsf did not even mention that [04:43] techrightssec2 ok\ [04:43] schestowitz-TR as if they fear people who contact deans [04:43] schestowitz-TR an org that hides its own father, news at 11 [04:43] schestowitz-TR fsf used to announce almost all his talks in advance [04:43] schestowitz-TR using site calendars and rss [04:43] schestowitz-TR the other people who arrange talks in this way (punblic speaking) are neonazis [04:43] schestowitz-TR not just to avoid cancelation but also deportation [04:43] schestowitz-TR maybe rms can be the new paul robeson [04:43] schestowitz-TR the register trolled FS yesterday [04:43] schestowitz-TR simon sharwood, mentioned in irc several times [04:43] schestowitz-TR like FS is a weapon for "china" and "Russia" [04:47] techrightssec2 The FSF doesn't even announce his talks after the fact nor do they provide [04:47] techrightssec2 videos any more. Something has gone south at FSF, especially in light of [04:47] techrightssec2 other recent announcements. Too bad.\ [04:48] schestowitz-TR there are new, creative tactitics against [04:48] schestowitz-TR fsf and gnu [04:48] schestowitz-TR plagiarism as a service (copilot) [04:48] schestowitz-TR canceling [04:48] schestowitz-TR all this "ethical" BS [04:48] schestowitz-TR where they say, block china or else! [04:48] schestowitz-TR we'll see more of that [04:48] schestowitz-TR the only way for "Linux" to be accepted into the mainstream if for LF (i.e. pantagon) to control [04:48] schestowitz-TR it first, with drm and valve and... [04:48] schestowitz-TR and we need to reject that [04:49] techrightssec2 Apropos China, the whine in congress against ByteDance has been about [04:49] techrightssec2 surveillance only not manipulation or, worse, health damage. [04:49] techrightssec2 s/health/physical and mental health/ [04:51] schestowitz-TR the media did fill the gap a bit [04:51] schestowitz-TR by covering all aspects [04:51] schestowitz-TR (what's left of the media... not much) [04:51] schestowitz-TR I've spoken about some of these issues for more than 5 years [04:51] schestowitz-TR esp. what a storm that causes in the brain [04:51] schestowitz-TR cannot concentrate [04:51] schestowitz-TR I was using twitter a lot in the golden days of wikileaks [04:53] techrightssec2 Some of the politicians seem to be somewhat open about the desire to enable [04:53] techrightssec2 surveillance for their interests while blocking surveillance from competing [04:53] techrightssec2 interests. However, they do that by ignoring the intentional damage that [04:53] techrightssec2 ByteDance and, to a certain extent, Meta do to physical and mental health of [04:53] techrightssec2 their victims^wsubscribers ● Jan 02 [05:19] schestowitz-TR i have a lot of thoughts on that, but further thinking and input from articles (imc. Daily Links) [05:19] schestowitz-TR will make our arguments more convincing [05:19] schestowitz-TR the goal is to get people to frame and to explain the problems correctly [05:19] schestowitz-TR as with... war on cash... "self-checkout" etc. [05:19] schestowitz-TR to the point where more people quit using skinnerboxes and "social" "media" [05:19] schestowitz-TR one nice thing would be, more people on gemini/rss/irc [05:24] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [05:29] schestowitz-TR not sure if bug or not [05:29] schestowitz-TR somehow arindam posted a story with a title blank [05:29] schestowitz-TR that caused some consistency issues in the site [05:29] schestowitz-TR I got the url from gemini side [05:29] schestowitz-TR and updated [05:29] schestowitz-TR added title [05:30] schestowitz-TR this mostly resolved things, but maybe not fully [05:30] schestowitz-TR the navigation arrows link to it, but not the index below [05:30] schestowitz-TR it is still there in the rss feed. i am strating to suspect he entered invalid title,, e.g. a url [05:30] schestowitz-TR ah, ok, it is there in updated at the top, so it's gone from nowhere [05:30] schestowitz-TR long story short, a story with void title got added somehow, but changing it to have one seems to have [05:30] schestowitz-TR solved everything, no db consistency issues afaictr [05:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [05:40] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 02 [08:34] techrightssec2 """ [08:34] techrightssec2 ...Gasse recanted, saying, "I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense -- I [08:34] techrightssec2 deserve it." \ [08:34] techrightssec2 """ [08:34] techrightssec2 https://birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/ [08:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-birdhouse.org | He Who Controls the Bootloader [08:34] techrightssec2 https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/ [08:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techcrunch.com | Ubuntu-maker Canonical now plans to IPO in 2023 [08:34] techrightssec2 exit plan\ [08:34] techrightssec2 https://linuxiac.com/canonical-considering-ipo-in-2023-what-it-means-for-ubuntu-users/ [08:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxiac.com | Canonical Considering IPO in 2023: What It Means for Ubuntu Users [08:34] schestowitz-TR yes, no users, lower value [08:34] schestowitz-TR they don't make anything truly essential anyway [08:34] schestowitz-TR red hat does a lot of gnome [08:35] techrightssec2 No uses anymore thanks to Mark and co selling out to m$, a company which wants [08:35] techrightssec2 Canonical and its flagship product, Ubuntu, quite dead after a bit of public [08:35] techrightssec2 humiliation ● Jan 02 [09:46] schestowitz-TR apropos destroing canonical in this way, see my latest post [09:46] schestowitz-TR going to work out now [09:46] schestowitz-TR lots of material to come this year, it ain't pretty [09:47] techrightssec2 Checking [09:47] techrightssec2 About the shell company? [09:48] schestowitz-TR yes [09:48] schestowitz-TR compulsory signing of new contract [09:48] schestowitz-TR not sure about uk law, but I'm quite sure employers cannot do that [09:48] schestowitz-TR and breaches some protocols [09:48] schestowitz-TR like giving me time to check with lawyer [09:48] schestowitz-TR maybe i can consult a lawyer now to see if what they did was even legal [09:48] schestowitz-TR we've not reached that part yet, it'll take weeks ● Jan 02 [10:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [10:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 02 [11:03] schestowitz-TR Controversy of init and systemd in Linux https://linuxtldr.com/init-vs-systemd/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxtldr.com/init-vs-systemd/ [11:03] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxtldr.com | Controversy of 'init' and 'systemd' in Linux [11:03] schestowitz-TR the author wanted to post in Techrights too [11:03] schestowitz-TR thoughts? [11:22] techrightssec2 checking [11:22] techrightssec2 Waffle is not Gemini :( [11:22] techrightssec2 The linked HTTPS article has rather lame content in that it does not delve [11:22] techrightssec2 into the issues like is needed. Some points have been missed, for example\ [11:22] techrightssec2 systemd is /not/ an init system even if it might contain one. [11:22] techrightssec2 Another SystemD article there omits any hint of the politics that forced [11:22] techrightssec2 SystemD into Debian via the TC and thus into 100s of derivatives. [11:22] techrightssec2 Popular != Common [11:22] techrightssec2 I dunno the articles spot checked are not up to the 9to5 Linux level or OMG Ubuntu level [11:22] techrightssec2 By the way, I am wondering if the scaping method is an appropriate direction at [11:23] techrightssec2 all because it's starting to look like the same images get downloaded multiple [11:23] techrightssec2 times. I suppose it would be possilbe to find duplicates and replace them with\hard links instead though. Thoug [11:23] techrightssec2 hts? [11:23] schestowitz-TR dupe detection does work [11:23] schestowitz-TR but not perfect [11:23] schestowitz-TR I'd leave TM as it is [11:32] techrightssec2 Leaving the legacy site as it is creates a liability of unmaintained software [11:32] techrightssec2 neede for content which seems to be archivable as a static site. [11:32] techrightssec2 If it can be upgraded to static content the CMS can be decommissioned and an [11:32] techrightssec2 expensive, large VM removed. [11:32] schestowitz-TR i was referring to the static part [11:32] schestowitz-TR assuming you meant the uploader [11:34] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:39] techrightssec2 Oh. I am referring to the gallery and other components still on tm-old [11:50] schestowitz-TR makes sense [11:50] schestowitz-TR I think I gradually become as productive as I was in 2009 [11:50] schestowitz-TR when I had more spare time [11:50] schestowitz-TR we can pick up speed asI re-adjust back to normal sleeping hours [11:55] techrightssec2 ack [11:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Jan 02 [12:11] schestowitz-TR No, EFF hardly did anything about software patents or "Patent Trolls" last year https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/12/seeing-patent-trolls-clearly-2022-review | Source: EFF [12:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Seeing Patent Trolls Clearly: 2022 in Review | Electronic Frontier Foundation [12:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:32] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [12:32] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@auubhxtweg528.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:41] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[12:41] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@auubhxtweg528.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:41] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [12:44] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [12:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:56] schestowitz-TR i did a 44-min video to demonstrate how little eff was doing to combat not just EPO [12:56] schestowitz-TR but also anyting patent-related [12:58] schestowitz-TR See the "Note"; seems like a Microsoft propaganda site and Microsoft is, in fact, a media partner https://analyticsindiamag.com/toxic-linux-community-acting-as-the-perfect-repellent-for-new-users/ [12:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-analyticsindiamag.com | 'Toxic' Linux Community Acting As the Perfect Repellent for New Users [12:59] schestowitz-TR maybe he got some email about GNU and decided to add horns and scorn to tux ● Jan 02 [13:04] psydruid this looks like a write-up by someone from Microsoft the comical media company [13:04] techrightssec2 The graphics is secondary to the multiple lies propagated in that link. [13:04] schestowitz-TR reddit, byfieldism.. I'd say bin the site [13:04] schestowitz-TR I've seen enough [13:04] schestowitz-TR seen his history, not just the site's [13:05] schestowitz-TR I used to skip that site [13:05] schestowitz-TR as it was full of Microsoft lies [13:05] schestowitz-TR now we know Microsoft is also paying them [13:05] schestowitz-TR worth doing a video about? [13:05] schestowitz-TR or waste of time/publicity for them? [13:06] psydruid Windows does NOT just work [13:06] psydruid macOS does NOT just work [13:07] psydruid yes, I would do a video about them [13:07] psydruid they're from India, the rest of the world doesn't care that much [13:07] psydruid but Microsoft knows it can exceed certain limits there [13:08] psydruid more than it would in western media [13:08] psydruid and they know the next billions of potential users are in Asia and Africa [13:09] psydruid so it's a serious matter of life and death for Microsoft [13:09] schestowitz-TR psydruid: this is one of two articles of his [13:09] schestowitz-TR both anti-Linux [13:09] schestowitz-TR in two days [13:09] psydruid Analytics India Mag should think twice about sending this kind if message into the world and should be punished for it now [13:09] schestowitz-TR you can see the other one in his history [13:09] schestowitz-TR Analytics India Mag takes Microsoft money [13:10] schestowitz-TR they even admit this [13:10] schestowitz-TR "brand" partner [13:10] psydruid yes, a lot is at stake at thus crossroads [13:10] schestowitz-TR so you see how much Microsoft loves Linux [13:10] psydruid punish them for it now [13:10] psydruid so they learn a lesson very quickly [13:10] schestowitz-TR ok, hang on [13:10] schestowitz-TR but [13:10] schestowitz-TR no links [13:10] schestowitz-TR just screenshots [13:10] schestowitz-TR hang on [13:11] psydruid I see a lot of those Indian so-called FOSS sites sell out [13:11] psydruid that will be fine [13:14] techrightssec2 [13:14] techrightssec2 Well, the "toxic" part is not Linux but systemd [13:14] techrightssec2 Yes, it is a matter of life and death for m$ there in India. While India [13:14] techrightssec2 has most of the worst engineers and programmers it also has some of the very [13:14] techrightssec2 best too, and the nation could rather easily reach a tipping point towards [13:14] techrightssec2 software freedom if m$ and its minions cannot maintain tight control over [13:14] techrightssec2 the print media. [13:14] psydruid I worked at a data integration company [13:14] psydruid I never touched Windows or Microsoft tools [13:15] psydruid missions critical infrastructure doesn't use Microsoft [13:15] psydruid mission-critical* [13:22] schestowitz-TR i want to ask quickly [13:22] schestowitz-TR the thing tou said about ibm and microsoft as brand partners [13:22] schestowitz-TR is that the animated stuff, like carousel? [13:22] schestowitz-TR i am taking screenshot [13:22] schestowitz-TR is there another place? [13:26] schestowitz-TR crude draft, not even previewed yet [13:26] techrightssec2 ? [13:26] techrightssec2 contexrt? [13:29] techrightssec2 https://analyticsindiamag.com/about/ [13:29] techrightssec2 scroll down to "Brands We Partner With" [13:29] techrightssec2 Anything positive they wrote must have been either a fluke or merely baiting [13:29] techrightssec2 the hook [13:29] techrightssec2 "I use 'Linux' at home but ..." type of stuffd [13:29] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-analyticsindiamag.com | About Analytics India Magazine [13:29] schestowitz-TR is the draft ok? [13:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [13:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:40] techrightssec2 checking [13:40] techrightssec2 some links to counter points would help, such as showing desktop market [13:40] techrightssec2 \share with and without android, showing supercomputer marketshare ;) and [13:40] techrightssec2 so on. There were also some usability studies around showing that GNU/Linux [13:40] techrightssec2 has been much easier to use on the desktop than M$ for decades now. [13:40] techrightssec2 The canard brought up there is installation but 1) installation is eaiser on [13:40] techrightssec2 GNU/Linux anyway, but 2) installation is irrelevant because people buy with [13:40] techrightssec2 a system pre-installed, see the birdhouse link about the idea that the OEMs [13:40] techrightssec2 have no technical barrier to having the hardware come pre-loaded with a choice [13:40] techrightssec2 of several systems and that the purchaser chooses upon first boot. [13:41] schestowitz-TR I think I'll use these notes and chain that into a video next time I record (tomorrow morning, we [13:41] schestowitz-TR cover some ISO crap) [13:41] techrightssec2 ok but no direct quoting of the above please [13:41] schestowitz-TR ok, sure [13:41] schestowitz-TR just notes for the mind [13:44] schestowitz-TR i suspect he'll carry on, so having a page or two to link two for rebuttal can help [13:44] schestowitz-TR like we did icbm before it started viciously attacking the community as "sexist" and "racist" [13:47] psydruid my mom hasn't used Windows in 6 years since a ransomware attack took out Windows 7 [13:48] schestowitz-TR maybe we need to watch AIM just to monitor for further hatchet jobs [13:48] psydruid of course all the real data was on a separate drive inaccessible to Windows [13:48] schestowitz-TR not sure [13:48] psydruid but she'll never use that malware again [13:49] psydruid my uncle likewise hasn't used Windows in years [13:49] psydruid these are normal people, who aren't tech-savvy [13:49] schestowitz-TR About AIM, I told you months ago they were Microsofters [13:49] schestowitz-TR it might be worth still watching them [13:49] schestowitz-TR and putting in other_links [13:49] schestowitz-TR to see if they keep at it [13:49] psydruid my cousin told me to erase Windows 10 from his laptop [13:49] schestowitz-TR and respond [13:52] schestowitz-TR cool:) [13:56] techrightssec2 ack ● Jan 02 [14:00] psydruid reading the Serif forum thread about GNU/Linux support it has become clear to me that entire fields are on GNU/Linux now with just a few applications not being ported over probably due to underhanded tactics and secret agreements with Microsoft and Apple [14:01] psydruid GNU/Linux adoption is artificially limited at this point [14:08] techrightssec2 They're M$ "partners" so they will only be able to parrot m$ talking points. [14:08] techrightssec2 Though that is annoying it does show what m$ is paying fools to spew to the [14:08] techrightssec2 public these days. [14:24] psydruid there are more closed source products that work on all 3 [14:24] schestowitz-TR yeah [14:25] psydruid https://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudio/ [14:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.qoppa.com | PDF Studio - PDF Editor Software for Mac, Windows and Linux [14:25] psydruid https://www.bricsys.com/nl-nl [14:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Bricsys | 2D & 3D CAD Software [14:26] psydruid http://www.viva.us/en/products/desktop-publishing/vivadesigner-desktop-version [14:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.viva.us | VivaDesigner (Desktop) [14:26] techrightssec2 The R-Project is probably one example of a field which is artificially being [14:26] techrightssec2 hobbled to keep *any* Windoze around [14:27] psydruid markets are changing, so we can expect more M$ and Apple FUD in the near future [14:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [14:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 02 [15:01] schestowitz-TR yes, Apple too [15:01] schestowitz-TR but Apple tends to proxy a bit via cultists [15:01] schestowitz-TR not just MVPs and such [15:56] techrightssec2 m$ recent aggression might be due to both a bad financial situation combined [15:56] techrightssec2 with growing political awareness of the importance of ending m$ deployments [15:56] techrightssec2 in production (and development) environments. [15:57] techrightssec2 [15:57] techrightssec2 CNet and others are pushing spam but it is the nature of the spam which is [15:57] techrightssec2 telling. By selling "lifetime" subscriptions, m$ is making a grab for the data\and hoping that people will fall [15:57] techrightssec2 for the sunk cost fallacy some more. ● Jan 02 [16:15] psydruid in India GNU/Linux is the main competitor to M$, not Apple [16:15] psydruid so that probably explains why they think they have to be aggressive now ● Jan 02 [20:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [20:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 02 [21:19] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [21:19] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 02 [22:05] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@n6qmteudyf4cn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell