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Techrights-seclistened to the glynmoody recording, he's got a good voice for readingMay 02 08:36
Techrights-secand good style tooMay 02 08:36
schestowitz-TRturns out the guy who quit netflix had been wooed by intel and went thereMay 02 09:29
Techrights-sechmmMay 02 09:36
Techrights-secintel is not a step upwards in nearly any contextMay 02 09:36
Techrights-secI guess the good part, even it is small, is that Intel is interested in LinuxMay 02 09:36
Techrights-secIt doesn matter what he will be working on though.May 02 09:50
schestowitz-TRthis is the guy whose desk I told you I found shockingly badMay 02 09:53
schestowitz-TRconsidering how many years he worked on kernel staff and the expected salary levelMay 02 09:53
schestowitz-TRhe can earn the setup in two days' workMay 02 09:53
schestowitz-TRand is facing another colleague from his cubicleMay 02 09:53
schestowitz-TRthis is not new to me, I saw other workers subjected to similar conditionsMay 02 09:53
schestowitz-TRinc. sublingsMay 02 09:53
schestowitz-TRthey' woulr ather work from home, cannot, thenr esort to "sour grapes"May 02 09:53
schestowitz-TRif homes were build like office spaces, hard-working people would be sharing bedrooms with their neighboursMay 02 09:53
Techrights-secyesMay 02 09:54
Techrights-secmany programmers are exploited May 02 09:54
Techrights-secOffice spaces tend to be built for a combination of control and breaking ofMay 02 09:54
Techrights-secwill.  That anyone can get any work done ever is just not even a side thoughtMay 02 09:54
Techrights-secfor the managers who ignore study after study about productivity and May 02 09:54
Techrights-secwork environmentsMay 02 09:54
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schestowitz-TRI adopted a method that years later I saw mentioned twice in thelayoffs.com/ibm (not working url)May 02 09:58
schestowitz-TRI take my pay hikes when I deserve them by adjusting how much I work (net)May 02 09:58
schestowitz-TRin an open [sic] office that would be harder to do, probably partly by designMay 02 09:58
schestowitz-TRnowadays, to me, part of work is, moe the eyeball and maybe the head (which makes it hard to measure May 02 09:58
schestowitz-TRhow much I actually work), hence the large setupMay 02 09:58
schestowitz-TRso 8 hours of work might be 30 mins of actual workMay 02 09:58
schestowitz-TReither way, the plan is to leave as soon as something better materialisesMay 02 09:58
Techrights-secCubicle farms are mostly impossible to work in due to the inability to          May 02 09:59
Techrights-secconcentrateMay 02 09:59
Techrights-secA small amount of mixing is good, but *only* when the participants choose toMay 02 09:59
Techrights-secmix.  Having cubicles causes interruptions which break the ability to May 02 09:59
Techrights-seccarry out advanced thoughts and simplify designs.May 02 09:59
schestowitz-TRthat might explain why free software is relatively robustMay 02 10:02
schestowitz-TRand Microsoft's is shitwarMay 02 10:02
schestowitz-TRyears ago someone who programs at Microsoft was telling me how much he hated it when colleagues  May 02 10:02
schestowitz-TRinterfere and interrupt, so it's impossible to get any coding doneMay 02 10:02
schestowitz-TRthis isn't counteer--intuitive. Testing and debugging require zero disruptionMay 02 10:03
schestowitz-TRin our company, Paul, who left due to SarinGas, was being disrupted by phonecallsMay 02 10:03
schestowitz-TRwhilse trying to write scripts and so projectsMay 02 10:03
schestowitz-TRthe NOC team was able to take that off his head/handsMay 02 10:03
Techrights-secplanning requires focus and a lack of interruption tooMay 02 10:16
Techrights-sec"a week of coding can save an hour of planning"May 02 10:16
schestowitz-TRi always try to automate what I canMay 02 10:17
schestowitz-TRto the point where, while recording the video you can see the bulletin/irc report coming up on top of my browserMay 02 10:17
schestowitz-TRgotta go join  rianne with exercise nowMay 02 10:17
schestowitz-TRthe living room is the gym since 2020May 02 10:17
Techrights-secwell-designed work flows can become routine and repetitive, and thus areMay 02 10:18
Techrights-secusually candidates for automationMay 02 10:18
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Techrights-secackMay 02 11:05
schestowitz-TRdo you use any git change notifier?May 02 11:05
schestowitz-TRsometimes I forgot to get camerCase BEFORE posting Daily linksMay 02 11:05
schestowitz-TRTIL even fewer colleagues than I had imagined actually use GNU/LinuxMay 02 11:09
schestowitz-TROne of them uses "virtualbox"May 02 11:09
schestowitz-TRand another idiot was cheering for some WSL thingMay 02 11:09
schestowitz-TRIt feels bad knowing that the plan is to leaveMay 02 11:09
schestowitz-TRjust a question of whenMay 02 11:09
Techrights-secno I have to remember to check each timeMay 02 11:09
Techrights-secI do have it set to notify about trailing whitespace and reject a commitMay 02 11:09
Techrights-secif they are presentMay 02 11:09
Techrights-sec:9May 02 11:09
Techrights-sec:(May 02 11:09
Techrights-secThat means that you should be looking somewhat actively now so that you haveMay 02 11:10
Techrights-secmore flexibility about when to pull up stakesMay 02 11:10
Techrights-secIf you put away *a lot* in retirement funds, you can in princple cash out earlyMay 02 11:13
Techrights-secbut that takes time and money firstMay 02 11:13
schestowitz-TRI have long thought of pension with employer contribution as a sort of vendor lockinMay 02 11:15
schestowitz-TRfor the staffMay 02 11:15
schestowitz-TRI  already have my pension scattered in two companiesMay 02 11:15
schestowitz-TRwithdrawing would not be simple, and there are 'penalties'May 02 11:15
schestowitz-TRright now I think of a way tgo check git tail as part of the process by which I check daily links for new files eveMay 02 11:15
schestowitz-TRry 5 minsMay 02 11:15
schestowitz~/Git$ ssh  git@git-tr listMay 02 11:32
schestowitztr-gitMay 02 11:32
schestowitz-TRtrying to think how to show latest chnage/timeMay 02 11:33
Techrights-secackMay 02 11:37
Techrights-secgit log -1 --format=%cd May 02 11:37
Techrights-secbest to just 'git pull' before anthingMay 02 11:37
Techrights-sec^anythingMay 02 11:37
schestowitz-TRbenefits would be:May 02 11:38
schestowitz-TR1) not missing the latest [tags] for new daily links domainMay 02 11:38
schestowitz-TR2) seeing within less than 5 mins any new changes upstreamMay 02 11:38
schestowitz-TRI already git pull to avert conflicts, if possibleMay 02 11:38
schestowitz-TRbut I have on one screen a "new thing available" terminalMay 02 11:38
schestowitz-TRfor some reason I cannot run standard git commands over sshMay 02 11:43
schestowitz-TRssh  git@git-tr brings me to a promptMay 02 11:43
schestowitz-TRthaat prompt is... differentMay 02 11:43
schestowitz-TRdo I need to load tr-git or something? May 02 11:44
Techrights-secthere is also the method of merging or whatever it is called, that con beMay 02 11:45
Techrights-secset in the Git client's configuration fileMay 02 11:45
Techrights-secgit log -1 --format="%at" | xargs -I{} date -d @{} +"%F %H:%M:%S %z"May 02 11:45
Techrights-secthat one probably goes into Git interactive modeMay 02 11:45
Techrights-seccheckingMay 02 11:45
Techrights-secyep that's what it doesMay 02 11:45
Techrights-secno it is Git in interactive mode it accepts Git commands it is not a normal May 02 11:45
Techrights-secshellMay 02 11:45
schestowitz-TRIoccasionalyl feel remorse that you pushed in new tags but I posted Daily Links already, before factoring in the May 02 11:46
schestowitz-TRlatest changesMay 02 11:46
schestowitz-TRand I want to avoid this situation in the futureMay 02 11:46
schestowitz-TRthe cronning would nag me to pull and run my camelcase sync script May 02 11:46
Techrights-secthat is a configuration setting in the client, I run into that tooMay 02 11:46
schestowitz-TRI wonder how many years git has left in it before it's the nextMay 02 11:48
schestowitz-TRsvn and next svn etc.May 02 11:48
schestowitz-TRthe attacks from github (they have their OWN commamdn, gh, and I don't trust gitlab either)May 02 11:48
schestowitz-TRwill weaken git as an open "protocol"May 02 11:48
schestowitz-TR*I meanty next cvs and next svnMay 02 11:48
Techrights-sechttps://git-scm.com/docs/merge-configMay 02 11:49
Techrights-secM$ media has been trying to make GitHub synonymous with Git especiallyMay 02 11:49
Techrights-secsince the former is proprietary *AND* controlled by M$ and the latter isMay 02 11:49
Techrights-secFOSS and available to anyone May 02 11:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-git-scm.com | Git - merge-config DocumentationMay 02 11:49
Techrights-seccvs -> svn -> git -> ???May 02 11:49
Techrights-secgit has a lot of good things but the work flow is awkwardMay 02 11:49
schestowitz-TRgit was always overhyped in my view (maybe "Linux" too)May 02 11:51
schestowitz-TRthe way it handles conflcts leave much to be desiredMay 02 11:51
schestowitz-TRto the point where I see many rather complex howtos on resolutionsMay 02 11:51
schestowitz-TRand I think there must be a better wayMay 02 11:51
schestowitz-TRthe very controversation we have right now highlights one "wishlist" itemMay 02 11:51
schestowitz-TRlike being able to know, without repeatedly running git pull, thatMay 02 11:51
schestowitz-TR1) there is a change in the tail and 2) someone currently works on the May 02 11:51
schestowitz-TRsame fileMay 02 11:51
Techrights-sechttps://code-maven.com/enforce-fast-forward-as-merge-strategyMay 02 11:52
Techrights-secthat's the whole purpose of Git and there is the merge strategy to addressMay 02 11:52
Techrights-secthat. There is also a merge style which can be used when conflicts haveMay 02 11:52
Techrights-secto be resolve through manual editing.May 02 11:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-code-maven.com | Enforce fast forward as merge strategy in GitMay 02 11:52
schestowitz-TRit still feels like not enough has been 'abstracted away'May 02 11:55
schestowitz-TRinherently because of pull/push paradigmMay 02 11:55
schestowitz-TRnot locking filesMay 02 11:55
schestowitz-TRlike, (I'm sure this is possible), I am going to start editing this fileMay 02 11:55
schestowitz-TRinform serverMay 02 11:55
schestowitz-TRother users notificed of potential conflictMay 02 11:55
schestowitz-TRfor file systems and file servers there are weak mechanisms tooMay 02 11:55
schestowitz-TRbut companies still lose a lot of productivity over lost work dueMay 02 11:55
schestowitz-TRto conflicting edits etc.May 02 11:55
schestowitz-TRto use the analogy, collab editing by sending MS Office attachmentsMay 02 11:55
schestowitz-TRgood wiki software tends to lock pages with timeout for editorMay 02 11:55
Techrights-secthat's a very, very different paradigm.  Git allows parallel editingMay 02 11:59
Techrights-secand then integrates the changes as they are pushed to the servrMay 02 11:59
Techrights-secmaybe a pre-commit hook is available or if not could be written in shellMay 02 11:59
schestowitz"PTY allocation request failed on channel 0"May 02 12:06
schestowitz-TRthis always shows up before the prompt,which acts a bit like sql May 02 12:06
Techrights-secusage of git shell example, from TR:May 02 12:15
Techrights-secssh git@tr-git "git-upload-pack '/home/git/tr-git/'"May 02 12:15
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schestowitz-TRjust met an ol friend (~20 years) for a long chat, he said absolutely do not leave the jobMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRhe considers it very good relative to what else si availableMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRhe knows the job, I've done it 11+ yearsMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRhe left his job in 2006 and stayed for 10 years with remorse about leaving itMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRso in his view the green grass next door isn't so greenMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRand since we both work and can move anywhere to do the same jobMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRwe should hold on to itMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRthat was the main subject, another one was how people looked to disrupt techrightsMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRhe knew the site since its early daysMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRhe stopped using twitterMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRwe saw a famous football today, he's also practising at the trackMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRin the world championship in poland my friend won the 200m (for his age group)May 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRthat's the summary, we also watched some videos on free sofwtare/tech issuesMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRI told him about the belarus situation as that resembled another thing he had heard ofMay 02 15:24
schestowitz-TRI am working on part 10 nowMay 02 15:24
Techrights-secackMay 02 15:26
Techrights-secyes hold on but have an option to leave, I still consider it a very bad sign May 02 15:26
Techrights-secthat they've been lying so often and so blatantly and that so few areMay 02 15:26
Techrights-secethical or talented with ICT   May 02 15:26
schestowitz-TRthe joke here (at home) goes,May 02 15:27
schestowitz-TRfirthey they tried to cut off with pensionsMay 02 15:27
schestowitz-TRthat backfired and it's OK nowMay 02 15:27
schestowitz-TRbut now they try to make cost-saving moved with clown computingMay 02 15:27
schestowitz-TRaMay 02 15:27
schestowitz-TRshort-sighted and over the long run very expensive mistakeMay 02 15:27
schestowitz-TRwe are not shareholdersMay 02 15:27
schestowitz-TRand afaik, losing a job against one's will means compensation tooMay 02 15:27
Techrights-secok the compensation part is important be sue that they can't press you intoMay 02 15:31
Techrights-secan nondisparagement contract; often it seems that employers try to extortMay 02 15:31
Techrights-secnewly fired people into signingMay 02 15:31
schestowitz-TRjust before leaving (I met at the track, it's at the stadium just across the road)May 02 15:40
schestowitz-TRI was tying to find an approch for seeing git status every 5 minsMay 02 15:40
schestowitz-TRthere is no simple solution for dropping the ssh link after checkingMay 02 15:40
schestowitz-TRI tried 3 approachesMay 02 15:40
schestowitz-TRone left a trail of stake connections, which I had predicatedMay 02 15:40
schestowitz-TRI looked around git-upload-packMay 02 15:40
schestowitz-TRlots of online docsMay 02 15:40
schestowitz-TRsome not working as documentedMay 02 15:40
schestowitz-TRthen I left is asideMay 02 15:40
schestowitz-TRlet me see if I can push the current version to git, I think there's a file similar to it May 02 15:40
schestowitz-TRalready on thereMay 02 15:40
schestowitz-TRpushed new file May 02 15:41
schestowitz-TRI thought I had already added it, so checked there's nothing sensitive in thereMay 02 15:41
schestowitz-TRI kicked myself for about 10 mins trying to recall ananalogyMay 02 15:50
schestowitz-TRmy friend said something about portland city centre and businesses avoiding itMay 02 15:50
schestowitz-TRafter I told him that my sister had moved there and regrets itMay 02 15:50
schestowitz-TRso I said it's like Luka and HTP in Minsk -- the very thing I was editing when he phoned me to meetMay 02 15:50
schestowitz-TRa lot of places in the world right now repel talent for various reasonsMay 02 15:50
schestowitz-TRI'm not sure where the workers goMay 02 15:50
schestowitz-TRmaybe some go to canadaMay 02 15:50
Techrights-secokMay 02 15:50
Techrights-secwell it gives away that git shell is used but that's probably not importantMay 02 15:50
Techrights-secinformationMay 02 15:50
schestowitz-TRre git, I tried chaining ssh sessions and cause them to terminate on their ownMay 02 15:52
schestowitz-TRI also tried piping and filtering the output, but for that to happen it needs to come back to the seminal envMay 02 15:52
schestowitz-TRregarding command line option, the syntax there is sooooo precariousMay 02 15:52
schestowitz-TReven just adding one whitespace anywhere would cause it not to workMay 02 15:52
schestowitz-TRso any CLI options for git-upload-pack would break it completelyMay 02 15:52
Techrights-secthat account is for scripting not interactive workMay 02 15:57
Techrights-sec:)  May 02 15:57
Techrights-secgit runs over SSH May 02 15:57
schestowitz-TROK, I will change my approach completely and use git instead of sshMay 02 15:58
schestowitz-TRI will comment out the existing approachMay 02 15:58
schestowitz-TRI mean I will use the git interface May 02 15:58
schestowitz-TRgit log -1 --format="%at" | xargs -I{} date -d @{} +"%F %H:%M: %z"May 02 15:59
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schestowitz-TRdraft in wordpressMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRI'm also testing a revision in the shell fileMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRwill likely work, will then push to gitMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRTIL git interactive stuff, we at least explored new thingsMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRmeeting my friend, rianne also is now convinced not to rush outMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRbut to explore other options, which is always a bargaining card atMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRthe very leastMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRI can only do tuxmachines and techrights if both of us work from home withMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRample free time -- something that IU lacked for a number of stagnant yearsMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRafter I had completed the phd and needed to get a "real" jobMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRyour command works splendidly wellMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRI pushed the changeMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRand the time shown updates on my "grand monitoring" displayMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRthis way I can "sense" when there is a new updateMay 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRwithout having to go to desktop 9 (development) run a 'pull'      May 02 16:21
schestowitz-TRthis will be worth the investment within months (time-wise)May 02 16:21
Techrights-secack     May 02 16:22
Techrights-secthanksMay 02 16:22
schestowitz-TRI will try to set myself a goal of 10 posts per day again, and 2-3 videosMay 02 16:25
schestowitz-TRI realised today the new laptop I can very easily detach from things to record from anywhere indoor and outdoor, evMay 02 16:25
schestowitz-TRen without an internet connectionMay 02 16:26
schestowitz-TRusing obs (that machine does not run any critical services yet, it just holds the important data)May 02 16:26
Techrights-secackMay 02 16:52
schestowitz-TRI am going to learn (over the coming week) how I sped my time and how it can be improvedMay 02 16:54
schestowitz-TRI recently decided to deal with email from unknown sources more infrequentlyMay 02 16:54
schestowitz-TRit leads to mental clutter even if it's obvious spamMay 02 16:54
Techrights-sectime management is a useful skillMay 02 17:17
Techrights-sechowever it depends a lot on the work flow and the depends on the tasksMay 02 17:17
schestowitz-TRvarious factors impact my a) setup b) taska dn thus c) workflowMay 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRsometimes I shuffle things around for no reason other than technical woeesMay 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRlike hdmi refusing come on with one pc, while working Ok with anotherMay 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRI also shufflesd around for water and liquid safelyMay 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRlike spills on laptopsMay 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRit's always a work in progressMay 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRin terms of topics covered, github series is temporarily on the ice (or ICE, GitHub fav)May 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRGemini is just there, working in the backgroudnMay 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRSet and forget so to speakMay 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRsome jobs (work) are routine and "boring", but here there's a range of stuffMay 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRI want to tinker less and write moreMay 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRI'm not so involved in IRC latelyMay 02 17:20
Techrights-secmakes sense, the writing is the most valuable and most effective,May 02 17:27
Techrights-seceverything else is just a means to enable thatMay 02 17:27
schestowitz-TRtwitter was quite effective around 2016-17, I think it may have peaked in some sense around that timeMay 02 17:28
schestowitz-TRbut it capitalised on a lot of disruption, which it actively contributed toMay 02 17:28
schestowitz-TRon many levelsMay 02 17:28
schestowitz-TROTAMay 02 17:28
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schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> From one sinking ship to another? https://www.brendangregg.com/blog/2022-05-02/brendan-at-intel.htmlMay 02 23:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.brendangregg.com | Brendan@Intel.comMay 02 23:30
schestowitz-TR[23:09] <SomeH4x0r> hiMay 02 23:30
schestowitz-TR[23:09] <SomeH4x0r> please put diamondlobby.com to CF usersMay 02 23:30
schestowitz-TR[23:10] <schestowitz-TR> ciphrCat: ^^May 02 23:30

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