●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, June 02, 2022 ●● ● Jun 02 [00:50] schestowitz-TR Covid again... gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-06-01.covid_again.gmi "I had received my fourth dose just on May 19th and was feeling somewhat bulletproof.... That, to me, is the symptom unique to covid. I don't know if I am physiologically weird as I haven't heard anyone mention that." 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[05:41] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [05:41] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [05:41] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 [05:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:45] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [05:45] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR ● Jun 02 [06:01] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:04] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [06:12] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:12] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jun 02 [07:20] Techrights-sec server cert is expired, for gemini link [07:20] Techrights-sec tails 5.1 seems delayed by several days with no public announcements [07:21] schestowitz-TR if they released on time, none of the FUD makers would have noticed anyway [07:23] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:34] Techrights-sec FUD makers work 24/7 against both Tor and Tails regardless [07:35] schestowitz-TR it is worth repating again and again that Tor is used extensively to EXPOSE crime, not COMMIT crime [07:36] schestowitz-TR partly because th e rich and powerful made it a 'crime' to expose them [07:36] schestowitz-TR as we saw in Assange [07:36] schestowitz-TR UK had the audacity to lecture russia on free flow of info this week [07:42] Techrights-sec They're still kicking Assange around [07:43] schestowitz-TR as i put it in yetserday in irc [07:43] schestowitz-TR "we came, we saw, he died... well, he's dead" [07:43] schestowitz-TR sociopaths want to see deaath sometimes [07:43] schestowitz-TR reaffirms their power [07:51] schestowitz-TR draft [07:51] schestowitz-TR waiting for data to become available [07:51] schestowitz-TR it'll be a bloodbath [07:51] schestowitz-TR frankly, idg eet al should have covered such stuff [07:51] schestowitz-TR they intentionally look the other way [07:51] Techrights-sec ack [07:51] Techrights-sec check [07:51] Techrights-sec the text needs to mention some brief stats [07:51] Techrights-sec and in particular provide a number on the month-on-month downward slide [07:53] schestowitz-TR right! [07:53] schestowitz-TR I am waiting for the conrete number/s [07:53] schestowitz-TR I will ... [07:53] schestowitz-TR well, if I use table (html), gemini would struggle [07:53] schestowitz-TR maybe "month: %" [07:53] schestowitz-TR for those who cannot see pictures [07:53] Techrights-sec ack [07:53] Techrights-sec key : value pairs, would work [07:54] schestowitz-TR expect windows to be 25% or less [07:54] schestowitz-TR i will add regional ● Jun 02 [08:33] schestowitz-TR rant: a) what LF does upsets me. spamnil is again buying "views" (very very easy to tell and prove) [08:33] schestowitz-TR (soem rants in today's IRC logs) [08:33] schestowitz-TR b) not sure if you noticed, but around 5am GMT we had a momentary network issue at the server side, affecting TM and TR [08:33] schestowitz-TR it probably lasted 2-5 mins [08:33] schestowitz-TR I was alseep at the time [08:34] schestowitz-TR other than that, all is well, I need topic ideas, last night's shift was last until weekend [08:34] schestowitz-TR another rant: a asilly colleague (hannah) suggested that people work work 1-9am should be paid less than daytime because [08:34] schestowitz-TR it's "quiet"; clearly she knows nothing about labour laws and was fending off for her partner [08:34] schestowitz-TR but shows you what sort of dumarses we work with [08:34] schestowitz-TR people with no actual compuiter skills, who compensate for it by talking shit [08:34] schestowitz-TR and then having the audacity to suggest pay cuts for people who work the 200% slots [08:34] schestowitz-TR I said, "better shut up than say something so insensitive and dumb" [08:34] schestowitz-TR (said it to rianne, not on call) [08:35] Techrights-sec wow what a foolish colleague [08:36] schestowitz-TR the grain of truth, yes, our slots are a lot easier to cover [08:36] schestowitz-TR but from a legal POV, good luck!! [08:38] Techrights-sec stuff can still happen during those shifts and much of what they are paying for [08:38] Techrights-sec is the availability of both skilll and experience, both of which are expensive [08:41] schestowitz-TR yes, exactly, this is whatt he CLIENTS pay for [08:41] schestowitz-TR on call and onsite person who can fix shit [08:41] schestowitz-TR she cannot fix anything [08:41] schestowitz-TR not sure if you see my IRC remarks about how they demonise the workers [08:41] schestowitz-TR "unskilled" [08:41] schestowitz-TR "lazy" [08:41] schestowitz-TR "Great Resignation" [08:41] schestowitz-TR and you know their motivation [08:42] schestowitz-TR those plutocrats who cannot themselves do the job [08:42] schestowitz-TR and call their staff "expensive" or "biggest expense" [08:42] schestowitz-TR then they buy the media to TELL US the same [08:42] schestowitz-TR wqhy the f* would I wish to participoate in such a system? [08:42] Techrights-sec there's often a lot of general experience needed for those low paying jobs [08:42] Techrights-sec some of them more than others [08:42] Techrights-sec in the experience is a lot of domain specific knowledge [08:43] schestowitz-TR or experience with particular clients and their systems [08:43] schestowitz-TR staff retention is key here [08:43] schestowitz-TR rianne knows how to fix a lot of things [08:43] Techrights-sec yes, familiarity with context saves a lot of work and time [08:46] schestowitz-TR there is a part of me wishing to battle this "IT" injustice [08:46] schestowitz-TR even if some of the time I'm "inside" to earn a living [08:46] schestowitz-TR it's rather cleasr to see what's happening in general [08:46] schestowitz-TR and wer can refine, articulate the explanation of that over time... [08:46] schestowitz-TR if other people start talking the same way, then you know it is succeeding [08:46] schestowitz-TR then, they perpetuate the message and do the work [08:46] schestowitz-TR GNU did a lot of that since the 80s [08:46] schestowitz-TR which is why so many projecfts still pick copyleft [08:46] schestowitz-TR even nvidia will soon relase gplv2 code [08:59] Techrights-sec ack ● Jun 02 [09:37] Techrights-sec reciprocal licenses have many strategic advantages [09:37] Techrights-sec in particular the strong licenses like GPL [09:37] Techrights-sec Eben Moglen once described the non-reciprocal licenses as the ones you want [09:37] Techrights-sec your competitors to use. Either way. however, participants eventually find [09:37] Techrights-sec that there is more value in working with upstream code than trying to maintain [09:37] Techrights-sec an increasingly divergent fork. ● Jun 02 [10:11] schestowitz-TR that goes against what's taught in "business" "school" [10:40] Techrights-sec LARPers [10:40] Techrights-sec but using real monry for counters [10:40] Techrights-sec and using such counters doesn't make the LARPing real, just harmful [10:47] schestowitz-TR draft [10:47] schestowitz-TR I realised it was one year, I was one day off [10:47] schestowitz-TR the goal here is to encourage others to follow [10:47] schestowitz-TR even if only a few [10:47] schestowitz-TR that would be a massive accomplishment [10:51] Techrights-sec rather than celebrate libera.chat the focus ought to be on the unfortunate [10:51] Techrights-sec demise of freenode; freenode was great and very important for many years [10:51] Techrights-sec but eventually its main disadvantage, that of centralization, brought down [10:51] Techrights-sec many projects. While some moved to libera.chat, many just gave up on IRC all [10:51] Techrights-sec together. However, some, and these are the ones to praise, started their [10:51] Techrights-sec own IRC networks. (Re-)Decentralization is the solution to many of the [10:51] Techrights-sec problems people associate with the Internet nowadays. [10:51] Techrights-sec ... and congratulations on a successful first year [10:51] Techrights-sec :) [10:51] Techrights-sec checking ● Jun 02 [11:08] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4n7438vpuhyci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:10] schestowitz-TR finally! [11:10] schestowitz-TR statcounter updated mins ago [11:10] schestowitz-TR see draft :-D [11:10] schestowitz-TR I am still reading and amending [11:10] schestowitz-TR the company that shits bricks is now "clown" company [11:10] Techrights-sec :) [11:10] Techrights-sec checking -- oops too late [11:12] Techrights-sec no stats in summary? gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/02/turkey-in-pictures/ [11:17] schestowitz-TR oh, right, I forgot [11:17] schestowitz-TR let me add that [11:17] schestowitz-TR I will make ODF (ODS) [11:17] schestowitz-TR and then some text [11:17] schestowitz-TR , check now [11:17] schestowitz-TR OK, check now [11:28] Techrights-sec thanks [11:28] Techrights-sec checking [11:28] Techrights-sec Thanks! [11:28] Techrights-sec so Turkey is hardening itself for "cyber" warfare, apparently [11:29] schestowitz-TR FOSSPost wrote about turkey and gnu/linux ~4 days ago [11:49] Techrights-sec URL? [11:49] Techrights-sec the main FOSSpost page seem blocked by javascript [11:49] Techrights-sec ^gratuitous javascript [11:49] Techrights-sec found it. looks like good progress but they do seem to miss the importance [11:49] Techrights-sec of establishing open formats across the sector first regardless of software [11:49] Techrights-sec [11:56] schestowitz-TR am writing about norway atm [11:56] schestowitz-TR to dispute the "linux for poor people" bs [11:56] schestowitz-TR see draft [11:56] schestowitz-TR finalised, published [11:58] schestowitz-TR I think we hit bith EPO and msft/github where it hurts a lot [11:58] schestowitz-TR *both [11:58] schestowitz-TR seeing that sandbag leaves FB, you know it must look REALLY awful from the inside [11:58] schestowitz-TR maybe sandbag and sheela zemlin can "start something new" ● Jun 02 [12:05] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:06] schestowitz-TR one sandbag is not enough when the FB ship is sinking [12:06] schestowitz-TR btw, re twitter [12:06] schestowitz-TR wot da fork is going on??? [12:06] schestowitz-TR all of a sudden silence [12:06] schestowitz-TR also, it's not mentioned much in any context [12:06] schestowitz-TR I think the death spiral was greatly accelebrated by Carl IMusk [12:06] schestowitz-TR which I very much welcome [12:06] schestowitz-TR if FB and Twitter go under, it would send a strong message to their copycats and heavy adopters [12:06] schestowitz-TR "I used to be hung up on post counts, for some reason. On my ten year sludge through Twitter (2009-2019 (years lost forever)), [12:06] schestowitz-TR I used to get worked up and enthusiastic about that I had 75K Tweets. It was a testament to how much time I wasted there, but i [12:06] schestowitz-TR t was 75K of SOMETHING I had "done". Ridiculous thing to care about." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/992 [12:06] schestowitz-TR It was a testament to how much time I wasted there" -----> I posted 951k [12:06] schestowitz-TR but back when it was a lot more busy a hub [12:06] schestowitz-TR and in recent years I just sent nothing but copies [12:06] schestowitz-TR didn't bother "engaging" at all [12:06] schestowitz-TR now it seems so dead that i hardly see any replies [12:06] schestowitz-TR even to old "tweets" [12:08] schestowitz-TR TM was not responding or barelyt responding [12:08] schestowitz-TR restarted httpd [12:25] schestowitz-TR mental notes/coiredump: (when you are back, not afk) [12:25] schestowitz-TR it might be worth putting together strategy notes on how to tackle diffetne types of issues and brands not the same thing... [12:25] schestowitz-TR e.g. boycotts work well against brands and just saying "sofftware freedom" oversimplifies a multifaceted battle [12:25] schestowitz-TR maybe I'll draft something for myself first... [12:26] Techrights-sec I would agree that there are probably some responses to common situations [12:26] Techrights-sec which could often be standardized, perhaps with variations [12:26] schestowitz-TR so we need to outline, then factorise [12:34] schestowitz very roguh draft [12:34] schestowitz Amazon: cash cows include online retail business and clown computing (governments, businesses and people outsourcing to Amazon's Web Disservices) [12:34] schestowitz Apple: overpriced "luxury" (or perceived luxury) goods, which are precarious in a weak economy with supply/demand anomalies and sanction wars [12:34] schestowitz Netflix: rental to "content" (with DRM), akin to Spotify [12:34] schestowitz Clownflare: unprofitable, for the same reason Uber and gig economy [sic] in general is a bit of a gamble [12:34] schestowitz Google, Facebook and Twitter: a lot of surveillance capitalism with advertising and mental manipulation as the business model and force (YouTube does not seem to be profitable) [12:34] schestowitz Microsoft: Like Google, a failing business in hosting (massive losses), with the same in GitHub and maybe LinkeIn (a failing competitor of Facebook). Like Skype, it's hard to extract money, so surveilance increasingly becomes the business model, even with Windows whose market share decreases and competition (e.g. ChromeOS) drives the price down [12:34] schestowitz IBM (and Red Hat): Like HP and VMware, there's a languishing hardware and software business, with several failed attempts at hosting as a subscription-based business model [12:34] Techrights-sec or first list the assertions which commonly need rebuttal [12:42] schestowitz-TR as I type more I realisew Japan lost so much of its clout except in cars [12:43] Techrights-sec ack [12:43] Techrights-sec amazon uses, if I understand correctly, proprietary interfaces to manage what [12:43] Techrights-sec would have otherwise been commodity systems [12:43] Techrights-sec so they may rent access to commodity GNU/Linux but they have definitely found [12:43] Techrights-sec one way to decommodify it. [12:43] Techrights-sec Similar with Red Hat (IBM). IBM has followed M$' outline from the Halloween [12:43] Techrights-sec Documents and been able to use systemd to decommodify GNU/Linux in such [12:43] Techrights-sec a way that it becomes so complex that their services must be hired in [12:43] Techrights-sec so decommodification appears to possibly be a recurring theme here [12:44] schestowitz-TR yes, openshit, [sic] ansible etc. [12:44] schestowitz-TR they use buzzwords like "transformation" and "legacy" [12:44] schestowitz-TR to urge you to throw shit like containes and even k8s everywhere [12:44] schestowitz-TR then struggle to find a sysadmin who can handle that [12:44] Techrights-sec ansible seemed interesting at first glance, but the complexity does not [12:44] Techrights-sec give a good return on investment on learning it over whipping up some casual [12:44] Techrights-sec custom shells scripts [12:46] schestowitz-TR re ansible [12:46] schestowitz-TR two colleagues here were fighting, sort of [12:46] schestowitz-TR within the limits permitted [12:46] schestowitz-TR over oone deploying puppet after tyhe other had spent/wasted a lot of time studying and deploying ansible [12:46] schestowitz-TR me? i just get popcorn [12:47] Techrights-sec a lot of managers, in particular, fall victim to the sunk cost fallacy. They [12:47] Techrights-sec assert that because time and money have been spend chasing an uproductive or [12:47] Techrights-sec dead end direction that the same path must be continued rather than cutting [12:47] Techrights-sec losses and quickly pivoting to a useful approach [12:52] schestowitz-TR going back on topic, as we did with novell before, it's important to look further at what comes next [12:52] schestowitz-TR I think there's no overemcompassing explanation of the relationshiop betwen what the "brands" do [12:52] schestowitz-TR the national identity matters because of cultural differences and demostic expertise [12:55] schestowitz-TR Europe is, imho, laughably behind on "share" [12:55] schestowitz-TR but I support that because [12:55] schestowitz-TR 1) more giants does not mean more income, many are a yoke on the economy [12:55] schestowitz-TR 2) potential for abuse [12:55] schestowitz-TR the US wasted 1.1 trillion dollars a year on "defence" around 2015 [12:55] schestowitz-TR it must be a lot more now [12:55] schestowitz-TR but the complete numbers are harder to find than what congress signs in public [12:55] schestowitz-TR tesla/musk is graft, always was [12:56] Techrights-sec one essential factor to consider is that ICT is a pawn in major war efforts [12:59] schestowitz-TR text might be hard to digest for what I'm after, I need to look into some diagrammin g software [12:59] schestowitz-TR doing this the gimp was will look mickey mouse-ish ● Jun 02 [13:01] Techrights-sec gimp can do a lot if one has patience. But any program will give poor results [13:01] Techrights-sec if one spends only 10 minutes on the graphics, or for that matter only 2 hours [13:01] Techrights-sec Good art is usually quite time consuming and not worth the return in this context [13:01] Techrights-sec one-off does not merit a lot of effort unless the appearance affects [13:01] Techrights-sec the message [13:02] schestowitz-TR maybe I can find some shitty "online" tool [13:02] schestowitz-TR as it's a one-off [13:03] schestowitz-TR alternative is networked wiki pages with actions of strategies for each companies [13:03] schestowitz-TR rooted upon a type or types of threat/s [13:04] Techrights-sec citation lists / references are good, along with relevant quotes, so that [13:04] Techrights-sec there is link (plus quote) to cite when countering BS [13:08] schestowitz-TR