●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 02, 2022 ●● ● Sep 02 [00:03] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:24] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:25] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 02 [03:45] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:45] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:48] Techrights-sec Drop caps remains but in a different manner. [03:48] Techrights-sec See the lines starting at # 345 [03:48] Techrights-sec less -N tuxmachines.cs [03:48] Techrights-sec s [03:50] schestowitz-TR2 checking [03:50] schestowitz-TR2 it seemed to have no effect [03:51] Techrights-sec however I see that it failed to trigger on [03:51] Techrights-sec http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/01/Micro_Making_File_Editing_Easier_in_Linux_Terminal.shtml [03:51] Techrights-sec yes I see why, it might be best to roll back to using the class="dropcap-first" [03:51] Techrights-sec as the marker. [03:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Micro: Making File Editing Easier in Linux Terminal" [03:55] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [03:55] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:55] schestowitz-TR2 I hope to stay up all night today (if I can) [03:55] schestowitz-TR2 going to get some tea, let me know if there's something that needs doing [03:56] schestowitz-TR2 I have suprisingly ample free time today [03:56] schestowitz-TR2 I think the US too had soime holiday [03:56] schestowitz-TR2 (but don't keep track of their holidays) [03:56] schestowitz-TR2 rianne gave to 3 elap[hant charities last night, as she said she would upon passing [03:56] schestowitz-TR2 arindam is meanwhile getting on OK, but I need to send him guidance [03:56] schestowitz-TR2 for now we don't have an image uploader, just the informal wget method [03:56] *wallacer has quit (Quit: wallace dozed off) [03:58] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:58] Techrights-sec Well to revisit the EPC question, [03:58] Techrights-sec European Patent Convention (1973) [03:58] Techrights-sec versus the EPC [03:58] Techrights-sec European Patent Court (illegla, unconstitutional fraud) [03:58] Techrights-sec The Wikipedia article on the EPC is garbage and is filled with a lot of [03:58] Techrights-sec EPO garbage and points to their site a lot. Wikipedia is all about squatting [03:59] Techrights-sec or parking on a page, plus edit wars, so I am not sure how to address the [03:59] Techrights-sec question of EPC vs EPC [03:59] schestowitz-TR2 if you check the LF article in wikipedia [03:59] schestowitz-TR2 see the notices at the to [03:59] schestowitz-TR2 *top [03:59] schestowitz-TR2 same issue for FSFE [03:59] schestowitz-TR2 those pages are marketing brochures [03:59] schestowitz-TR2 wikipedia is inherently flawed [03:59] schestowitz-TR2 the PR people just borrow the brand "wikipedia" as an authoritative name ● Sep 02 [04:00] Techrights-sec Yes, wikipedia very design is flawed and vulnerable to marketing teams. [04:00] Techrights-sec See the two paragraphs starting with "However, the EPC provides further indications on what is patentable." [04:00] Techrights-sec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_patent_convention [04:00] Techrights-sec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patents_under_the_European_Patent_Convention [04:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | European Patent Convention - Wikipedia [04:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Software patents under the European Patent Convention - Wikipedia [04:00] schestowitz-TR2 "check wikipedia about us" = check what text we're maintaining on wikipedia [04:00] schestowitz-TR2 even their battistelli article is an utter joke [04:05] Techrights-sec A poor joke at that, yet some how it is necessary to counter it. [04:05] Techrights-sec I stopped trying to make an effort with Wikipedia after they started sucking up [04:05] Techrights-sec to m$ over the ODF and standards pages fell under their control. I was rather [04:05] Techrights-sec sceptical of Wikipedia's premise before that, having seen from the day it was [04:05] Techrights-sec announced that various squatters and teams took over specific topics and [04:05] Techrights-sec presented their warped and, often, wrong spin in place of either the established [04:05] Techrights-sec real-life situation XOR presenting a well-rounded debate / summary of the debate [04:05] Techrights-sec tldr; the whole thing is a corporate marketing brochure posing as a useful [04:05] Techrights-sec resource [04:05] schestowitz-TR2 I found out a very long time ago that editing wikipedia is a waste of time unless you fix z typo [04:05] schestowitz-TR2 nobody will roll back a type fix [04:05] schestowitz-TR2 anything else will vanish by the "real owner/s" of a said page [04:05] schestowitz-TR2 it's "look but don't touch" [04:05] schestowitz-TR2 or it's like moving an item at home [04:05] schestowitz-TR2 rianne will sooner or later put it back where it was [04:09] Techrights-sec yep [04:09] Techrights-sec no it would be a waste of time to try to edit wikipedia, that's for sure [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 it's a common thing [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 you can move it [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 but it'll be back to the "right" place [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 anywaym wikipedia is not mine [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 like fedora is not mine [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 it's ISCBM's [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 they control the council [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 so it's never my duty to "fix" wikipedia [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 it's illusion of crowdsourcing [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 let it perish [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 the sad thing, corporate and polical articles sink some rather good bios and science articles there [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 like social control media, maybe it'll be better off dead [04:10] schestowitz-TR2 or WE will be better off without it [04:13] schestowitz-TR2 --- [04:13] schestowitz-TR2 when people tell me "Wikipedia says... blah blah, maybe change this and that" I roll by eye a bit [04:13] schestowitz-TR2 just like contacting "journalists" [04:13] schestowitz-TR2 it's a waste of time as the publishers choose not only the topics [04:13] schestowitz-TR2 but also how to cover those topics [04:13] schestowitz-TR2 the sponsors call all the shots [04:13] schestowitz-TR2 so you're 'masturbating' with that fantasy of media still being accountable to readers of "the world" [04:13] schestowitz-TR2 they're agenda pushers, and unless you pay them they don't give a shit about you [04:13] schestowitz-TR2 remember hos microsoft FLEW 'journalists' to write about OOXML. Even people from poor countries. [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 --- [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 while sites that specialise in topics are typically very open to being proven wrong [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 it's not about persistence, like the 'gamification' (or ... gaming) of wikipedia [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 and so you end up not with meritocricy [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 but pateintocracy or people with the deepest pocket playing the longest [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 so basically the way things used to be... was likely better [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 and like social control media, the terrain got easier to game [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 like W-E gaming Microsoft pages [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 they just buy more "players" [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 like nation states making tens of thousands of twitter bots [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 they need not even post anything [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 just game the rating system for "trrend"s and "trending" and false percception of popularity [04:17] schestowitz-TR2 they can cause instability in enemy states this way [04:18] Techrights-sec ack [04:43] *_Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [04:44] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-dgh.jpm.ql99lf.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 02 [05:14] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [05:14] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-dgh.jpm.ql99lf.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:20] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[05:22] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [05:23] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-dgh.jpm.ql99lf.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:27] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:27] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [05:35] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [05:36] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-dgh.jpm.ql99lf.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:44] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [05:45] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-dgh.jpm.ql99lf.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [05:58] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 02 [06:01] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [06:01] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-94q.u1q.26em7u.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:29] schestowitz-TR2 seems rianne passed with distinction [06:29] schestowitz-TR2 btw, re nat friendman [06:29] schestowitz-TR2 do we want to expose him before or after he shows up somewhere else? [06:29] schestowitz-TR2 it can be strategic, but... [06:29] schestowitz-TR2 we do have more materisl [06:29] schestowitz-TR2 iirc, his next venture might have been more of that crypto 'coin' scams [06:29] schestowitz-TR2 similar to madame zemlin [06:29] schestowitz-TR2 rianne does not speak in public [06:29] schestowitz-TR2 seeing what I'm subjected to from trolls [06:29] schestowitz-TR2 in spite of not being on the spectrum or anything [06:29] schestowitz-TR2 so she wants to keep a low profile [06:30] schestowitz-TR2 the spouses of miguel and nat are becoming a liability [06:30] schestowitz-TR2 same for jim zemlin [06:30] Techrights-sec Congratulations to Rianne on the excellent results! [06:30] Techrights-sec Hard to say, what are the advantages of publishing now? If the material is [06:30] Techrights-sec publsihed closer to him performing new antics they might have effect. I would [06:30] Techrights-sec guesstht if they are published now, there is time for them to blow over or [06:30] Techrights-sec be normalised. [06:30] Techrights-sec Does the LF have a charter or constitution anywhere? If so, what are the [06:30] Techrights-sec priorities actually listed there? [06:32] schestowitz-TR2 hang on... [06:32] schestowitz__[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/01/linux-foundation-mission-creep/ [06:32] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Formally Changed Its Mission! (Based on IRS Files) | Techrights [06:33] schestowitz-TR2 spent too much time chasing an older reference [06:34] schestowitz-TR2 I previosuly compared, based ont ehri official site, how things had changed [06:34] schestowitz-TR2 like community being removed [06:34] schestowitz-TR2 and the words changing [06:34] schestowitz-TR2 I did several such posts, buyt would take further work to find for little net benefit [06:34] schestowitz-TR2 though the purpose is, to you, just to affirm what you already knoiw [06:34] schestowitz-TR2 so I needn't convince you at all [06:35] Techrights-sec Cryptocurrencies are a total waste of electricity and do further damage [06:35] Techrights-sec by trying to coopt the nickname 'crypto'; The mainstream press encourages that. [06:35] Techrights-sec (both) [06:35] Techrights-sec yes but having a document makes it official and possibly a matter on which legal [06:35] Techrights-sec action can be taken to correct their behavior [06:37] schestowitz-TR2 wait, do you mean there might be a truly legal basis for someone, even not LT himself (too blackmailed, see IRC logs for today and Thursday) [06:37] schestowitz-TR2 , doing something to restore the mission? [06:37] schestowitz-TR2 it did not work in eff, that's for sure [06:37] schestowitz-TR2 gillmore was driven out [06:37] schestowitz-TR2 based on words I saw, not even peacefully [06:37] schestowitz-TR2 they were fueding [06:37] schestowitz-TR2 and he wasn't the survior [06:37] schestowitz-TR2 *vivor [06:37] schestowitz-TR2 *feuding [06:37] Techrights-sec If they are legally obligated to do certain things according to their charter [06:37] Techrights-sec then yes [06:39] schestowitz-TR2 based on what I posted yesterday, the IRS keeps getting told different things about what LF actually is [06:39] schestowitz-TR2 imagine patents or other things being like this [06:39] schestowitz-TR2 many laws are [06:39] schestowitz-TR2 constittutions less so [06:39] schestowitz-TR2 but there are amndments and revolutions [06:43] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [06:44] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@mz8j4jhmcbxpa.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:52] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [06:52] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) ● Sep 02 [07:05] Techrights-sec ack [07:05] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.it/flukejones/status/1565495725810921474#m [07:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fluke (@flukejones): "As much as I dislike t3chrights website and the dribble posted there, this should be criminal - it looks a lot like cashing out before the crash: http://techrights.org/2022/07/07/baker-salaries/"|nitter.it [07:06] schestowitz-TR2 https://nitter.it/theglitch76/status/1565513833199853571#m [07:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Glitch (@theglitch76): "It took me way too long to figure out that "Baker" was a last name and not an occupation"|nitter.it [07:28] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [07:38] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:42] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@pizjd6872z3m6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:47] *DaemonFC_ (~chatzilla@pizjd6872z3m6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:47] *DaemonFC_ has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [07:48] DaemonFC Whoopsie [07:48] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:48] *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@pizjd6872z3m6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:55] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [07:55] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@pizjd6872z3m6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 02 [08:19] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:33] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:45] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [08:45] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 02 [10:18] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Sep 02 [11:07] Techrights-sec Their divergence from their own bylaws is of interest. [11:08] schestowitz-TR2 some people donated to them [11:08] schestowitz-TR2 or paid a share from a penguin0themed credit card [11:08] schestowitz-TR2 I still don't believe there's grounds/basis for a lawsuit [11:08] schestowitz-TR2 unless filed on behalf of Torvalds [11:08] schestowitz-TR2 and likely for something else [11:09] Techrights-sec ack [11:36] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:44] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:51] schestowitz-TR2 rianne "AA distinction" [11:51] schestowitz-TR2 now it's confirmed, they are sending along the physical cert [11:51] schestowitz-TR2 postal sdervice on strike [11:51] Techrights-sec Nice! Congratulations! [11:56] schestowitz-TR2 there's a country where they revoke your citizenship inside the embassy and then british cops kidnap you on the corridor and steal your laptop, sending [11:56] schestowitz-TR2 it to a third nation [11:56] schestowitz-TR2 and a fourth country puts bugs and secret cameras for the third country and they say it's perfectly OK because of some girls in a fifth country [11:57] Techrights-sec yep; the kidnapping from inside the embassy is highly illegal and in violation [11:57] Techrights-sec of what were previously well-respected treaties. [11:57] Techrights-sec who had /almost/ no issue with the target, just wanting his address [11:57] Techrights-sec and ended up having lies spread in their names ● Sep 02 [12:23] Techrights-sec ack [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 I realise rianne has no video or audio of hers only [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 maybe some photos or use playing pingpong, but that's about it [12:23] Techrights-sec ack [12:23] schestowitz-TR2 obv she is not "on fb" [12:52] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 02 [13:44] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:55] schestowitz-TR2 I've noticed that special kinds of "spaces" (not visible, but some kind of special chars) cause the CMS to show an odd symbo9l [13:55] schestowitz-TR2 I am familiar with wordpress having trouble with certtin such chars [13:55] schestowitz-TR2 they can invalidate rss feeds at times [13:55] schestowitz-TR2 what a dumb charset design [13:55] schestowitz-TR2 kate shows them as blank with coloured borders around the blank [13:55] schestowitz-TR2 so they are at least a bit visible [13:55] schestowitz-TR2 there is one example of that in arducam (posted just now in TM) [13:55] schestowitz-TR2 it's not the first time today [13:55] Techrights-sec There are a lot of hidden types of characters. Can you point to a paragraph [13:55] Techrights-sec or sentence at a URL with an example of the specific one(s) you are thinking [13:55] Techrights-sec of? They can be processed out easily enough once they are identified. [13:55] Techrights-sec checking [13:58] schestowitz__[TR] see second URL in https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/01/today_s_howtos.2.shtml [13:58] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines today's howtos" ● Sep 02 [14:04] Techrights-sec . [14:04] Techrights-sec checking [14:04] Techrights-sec https://invisible-characters.com/200A-HAIR-SPACE.html [14:04] Techrights-sec Are other unicode characters doing ok? [14:04] Techrights-sec The data is in the db ok, insofar as the hairspace is preserved. [14:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-invisible-characters.com | U+200A HAIR SPACE [14:04] schestowitz-TR2 the other chars are &#something but I made a away to avoid/convert them [14:05] Techrights-sec I figure that site is probably using it in a legitmimate manner, but I suspect [14:05] Techrights-sec other use it and other non-printing characters as markers. [14:12] Techrights-sec I see the problem with the non-printing character but the unicode stuff seems [14:12] Techrights-sec ok otherwise [14:12] Techrights-sec checking [14:18] Techrights-sec do you have an URL handy with some of the other characters which have not yet [14:18] Techrights-sec been escape and are problematic? [14:19] schestowitz-TR2 I think I can handle the rest OK and I put my changes in rianne's shell scripts too, so the older issue [14:19] schestowitz-TR2 has rarely crept in lately [14:19] schestowitz-TR2 all in all, it's improving over time and we get faster [14:19] schestowitz-TR2 it's just the news getting slower [14:20] Techrights-sec I'd like to make sure that the output is correct. The input and the db contents [14:20] Techrights-sec are ok, but this is perhaps a symptom of something else. [14:20] Techrights-sec The x200A hair spaces can be zapped and replaced with regular spaces, but [14:20] Techrights-sec if this is symptom of a wider problem it would be best to figure out the [14:20] Techrights-sec real problem and fix that (and then also zap the x200a hair spaces too) [14:24] schestowitz-TR2 charset and unicode novice here (still getting better over time), but I get warnings like these still [14:24] schestowitz-TR2 any time I post until maybe >50 recent post (the culprit falls off the far edge): [14:24] schestowitz__[TR] Creating temporary directories and files [14:24] schestowitz__[TR] Creating static XHTML and GemText hierarchies [14:24] schestowitz__[TR] Updating SSI files [14:24] schestowitz__[TR] Writing the RSS feed for HTTP [14:24] schestowitz__[TR] Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-generate-feed.pl line 130. [14:24] schestowitz__[TR] Writing the Atom feed for Gemini [14:24] schestowitz__[TR] Writing the Gemini index [14:24] schestowitz__[TR] Pinging via MQTT [14:25] schestowitz__[TR] Error: Problem setting TLS options: File not found. [14:25] schestowitz__[TR] Erasing temporary directories and their files. [14:26] schestowitz-TR2 marius and rianne see those two warnings/errors too, it might confuse them a bit [14:26] schestowitz-TR2 over time the first few stages also seem to slow down a bit [14:26] schestowitz-TR2 maybe a DB or query optimisation thing [14:32] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:34] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [14:38] Techrights-sec the db was only in the sketch stage when it was pushed into production so [14:38] Techrights-sec there are a lot of refinements missing, such as indexes and cascading deletion [14:38] Techrights-sec the structure could use a lot of improvement but it is uncomfortable, at best, [14:38] Techrights-sec to rearrange the structure on a database which is in active use while it is in [14:38] Techrights-sec active use; That'll haunt us for a while. [14:38] Techrights-sec Indexes might be possible to safely add, once the right values are figured out. [14:38] Techrights-sec The cascading deletion probably not. [14:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [14:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:41] schestowitz-TR2 it actuslly looks not so much like a db issue [14:41] schestowitz-TR2 the pages or entries are updated immediately [14:41] schestowitz-TR2 it's when the gemini and web pages get regenrated that it takes a little longer [14:41] schestowitz-TR2 maybe because it does queries against many existing entries, but that is read-only [14:41] schestowitz-TR2 I think it creates the same pages over and over again when in fact, it typically just needs to rewrite about 3 entries because of prev and next [14:42] Techrights-sec That will be slower than the HTML page generator because so much processing [14:42] Techrights-sec has to be done under the hood to find and remove HTML structures in a particular [14:42] Techrights-sec way, in a particular order per document; [14:42] Techrights-sec Yes, that is likely. It needs to handle skips in sequences better and the [14:42] Techrights-sec current approach has too much redundancy. [14:43] schestowitz-TR2 you asked, which errors do rianne and marius see [14:43] schestowitz-TR2 the main ones that look off/odd: [14:43] schestowitz-TR2 Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-generate-feed.pl line 130. [14:43] schestowitz-TR2 Error: Problem setting TLS options: File not found. [14:43] Techrights-sec Oh. The TLS error from mosquitto there, Error: Problem setting TLS options: File not found. [14:43] Techrights-sec Ok the second one can be addressed. Checking now [14:45] schestowitz-TR2 yes, but I want to emphasise that things are overall good [14:45] schestowitz-TR2 the site had no downtime at all and these niggling issues are typically minor details [14:53] Techrights-sec That should be good now. Where should the list of MQTT clients be annotated? [14:53] Techrights-sec You, I, TM, and Git all have ones. The certificates are good for just over [14:53] Techrights-sec three years. If no other changes are needed between now and then, new ones will [14:53] Techrights-sec have to be created and deployed then. [14:53] Techrights-sec The wide character problem won't likely be solvable until upgrading to Rakulang [14:53] Techrights-sec It might be stifled, but then so would other error messages. Though [14:53] Techrights-sec there might be a way around just that one line. [14:56] schestowitz-TR2 thanks, excellent. [14:56] schestowitz-TR2 I need to observe, over time, when this issue occurs and what automated substitutions to make [14:56] schestowitz-TR2 it's just a matter of time [14:56] schestowitz-TR2 when you say "the list of MQTT clients" do you mean keeping abrest of all accounts that are hooked to the agent/server? [14:56] schestowitz-TR2 if these APIs are open to all, maybe we can list clients that can be installed [14:56] schestowitz-TR2 much like the gemini software page [14:56] schestowitz-TR2 oh, wait [14:56] schestowitz-TR2 I just saw "tux machines site update" [14:56] schestowitz-TR2 so I assume you configured the client to have a topic ● Sep 02 [15:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [15:01] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@pmeqtjandsa9n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:05] Techrights-sec Yes [15:05] Techrights-sec that was a test of the new certificate for that client [15:23] Techrights-sec topic in mqtt corresponds to channel in irc [15:23] Techrights-sec when a client is subscribed to the topic it can receive messages sent to that [15:23] Techrights-sec channel, mosquitto_sub shows only the payload of that message nothing else [15:46] schestowitz-TR2 gonna go out to send parcel, pick up something, see how much I can save on food (usually worth the time as if I was paid to work full time) [15:46] schestowitz-TR2 [more so with soaring "RRP"in food shops; we looked at some restaurant menus in town, they too skyrocketed] [15:46] schestowitz-TR2 back in about 2 hours ● Sep 02 [17:26] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:27] *starstreak has quit (connection closed) [17:28] Techrights-sec ack [17:29] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:31] schestowitz-TR2 sent parcel, earned 10 [17:31] schestowitz-TR2 spent 10 on food that would otherwise cost 50 [17:31] schestowitz-TR2 total savings 40pounds, in 1-2 hours of walking exercise [17:31] schestowitz-TR2 i hopem this 'life hack' remains feasible for another decade, it can save a ton of money [17:31] schestowitz-TR2 price of milk went up by about 50% in just a number of months [17:31] schestowitz-TR2 didn't noticed until today as we don't buy milk and eggs ypically [17:31] schestowitz-TR2 their price might double soon [17:59] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:59] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 02 [18:04] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:45] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [18:54] Techrights-sec A lot of staple items are increasing in price drastically. Reports here [18:54] Techrights-sec are that at the same time the farmers are getting the same or less than before. [18:54] Techrights-sec So one can conclude that it is the shops eating the difference. ● Sep 02 [19:05] schestowitz-TR2 speaking of farmers, I bet the price of pitchforks went up by a lot [19:05] schestowitz-TR2 so fewer can buy one [19:05] schestowitz-TR2 bargain hunting is one form of protest [19:05] schestowitz-TR2 I had to nag a lot just to get someone to actually serve me at the till [19:05] schestowitz-TR2 prices double, service eliminated [19:05] schestowitz-TR2 some "progress"... [19:07] schestowitz-TR2 --- [19:07] schestowitz-TR2 I have a battle left to win against vgery spicy chilli [19:07] schestowitz-TR2 I bought many packs [19:07] schestowitz-TR2 had to take a break halfway [19:07] schestowitz-TR2 will finish the battle later tonight [19:07] schestowitz-TR2 taking a break, rest, biab [19:14] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@kdqujk28wn2dy.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [19:31] Techrights-sec ack ● Sep 02 [21:10] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [21:36] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Sep 02 [22:12] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [22:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [22:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell