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It's not a mystery. Just ask teachers what works. Stop all the top down initiatives and paradigms. For some reason, every bozo in charge seems to want to revolutionize the education system. Go away, you're making it worse.

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: 0, Troll)

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by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 29, @07:02PM (#1200630)

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Yeah, lets trust the same people that are trying to teach that women are men and men are women and that every white child is a racist. Trusting teachers? I'm struggling to guess whether you intended a /s tag.

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: 0, Troll)

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by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 29, @08:06PM (#1200661)

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Found the home-schooled one. Let me guess... 8hr bible studies today?

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: 2, Touché)

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by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 29, @08:15PM (#1200664)

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Not every white child. Just the ones like you.

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: 0)

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by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 01, @02:16PM (#1201139)

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This one made me smile

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: -1, Troll)

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by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 30, @12:42AM (#1200750)

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Found the incel! Whattup loser?

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: 4, Insightful)

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by MostCynical (2589) on Monday November 29, @08:44PM (#1200685) Journal

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this is actually... not going to work

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ask Doctors? Simple EMR with no passwords (no time to fill in a user name and password!! just fill in a prescription stat!)

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ask Teachers?

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If they work in a school with students from wealthy families, technology requests will sound something like "I need a whiteboard I can print and share and ipads that have the same screen display as the white board, plus notes and students can submit work and get feedback..."

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If they come from a school with students from poor families, it will be more like "more student meals and free shoes"

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Field experts are rarely able to explain their technology needs .. or even think of the 'what ifs'... Tech companies find a product, then look to sell/force it on customers.

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Will it be the RIGHT solution? Very unlikely. Is it easy to use (NOTE: this means "no harder than any other [BIGNAME] product", not actually, easy)

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Does [LARGECOMPANY] care? No, sales and control of market and monopolization of the 'horizontals' and the 'verticals' is what [LARGECOMPANY] wants.

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"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: 0)

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by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 29, @09:12PM (#1200696)

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Golly, you sound most cynical.

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: 5, Insightful)

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by MostCynical (2589) on Monday November 29, @10:25PM (#1200717) Journal

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Cynicism is just what happens when idealism gets some work and life experience. Still an optimist - but I also have ended up with a career interpreting vague 'wants and needs' into buildable requirements (which developers then misinterpret, thereby ensuring I have more work, 'fixing' implementations)

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Users may have a fantastic idea of what they need - but they suck at explaining it.

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"Tech people" don't listen. They have a way of working, and they know best - if anyone has seen the promotion process in IT, ego and self-promotion get you to the top - completely separate to any contribution or actual success.

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These issues are key contributors causing so many projects to fail (completely, or partially) in achieving the original objectives.. (lack of resourcing (people and money) is the other big cause of failures)

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I am a cynic - also known as a realist.

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"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: 2)

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by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Tuesday November 30, @08:48PM (#1200975) Journal

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Seriously, correct orthodox abbreviation is G.I.T.S., not just GIS. Also, S.A.C. is more common than SAC in this context.

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Consider me stickler but once I deeply offended and completely lost an otaku friend because I wrote FF7 instead of (correct form) FFVII.

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Cynically yours,

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...

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The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: 2)

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by MostCynical (2589) on Tuesday November 30, @11:29PM (#1201024) Journal

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blame the character limit.

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"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: 3, Interesting)

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by krishnoid (1156) on Monday November 29, @11:15PM (#1200732)

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Not to disrespect your cynicism, but they have the cheap shoes [youtu.be] angle covered.

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: -1, Flamebait)

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by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 29, @11:51PM (#1200738)

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One of the problems with that idea is that many times teachers don't know what works and what doesn't. If they've been in the field at all, they aren't in it now and have been left behind. I would sooner trust an evening school professor who actually works in the field during the day than an ivory tower professor who's just looking to publish his next paper.

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Re:Ask teachers (Score: 2)

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by driverless (4770) on Tuesday November 30, @06:44AM (#1200800)

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As a "proof" after a fashion, my students use a combination of Blotto analysis

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Yeah, we did a lot of that as students too. Problem is that most of the analysis we did while blotto didn't look so good any more once we'd sobered up again.

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being about power and alliances (Score: 1)

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by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday November 29, @07:25PM (#1200640) Journal

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So, it's just like every other human endeavor, something quite fundamental, universal even. Are we surprised?

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Ok, we paid the ransom. Do I get my dog back? REDЯUM

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There's a balance to strike... (Score: 5, Interesting)

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by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday November 29, @10:16PM (#1200716)

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It is left to well educated individuals to opt-out, reject their systems, and insist on secure, interoperable choices.

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Well educated how? In technical matters of cybersecurity? Or in business matters of compatibility, mutual benefit - you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours?

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Guess which one ends up in charge?

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Better to ask forgiveness than permission is a common catch phrase. In this instance, it is better to do a deal with an insecure system and patch it later than to do no deal at all.

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It's really going to take the big boys getting burned badly enough for them to insist on security from all their underlings in a meaningful fashion, not just a lipservice policy to enable them to qualify for the next big bid.

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John Galt is a selfish crybaby [huffpost.com].

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Re:There's a balance to strike... (Score: 2)

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by MostCynical (2589) on Monday November 29, @10:58PM (#1200727) Journal

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"educated" people (scientists, engineers, doctors, teachers?) are also busy people.

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busy people don't have time to care about this stuff - they just need to get on, doing a job, raising children, doing tax returns, etc etc.

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Banks and others use 2FA, so they can show the compliance people they are "taking security seriously" (tick) and "doing something(TM) about security" (tick)

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Anything that gets in the way of doing a task is annoying. People will circumvent and shorten any process or procedure, just to get things done - even if it opens their organization to huge risk.

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they can be told about the risk - but they don't care, even when it is explained in clear detail, it doesn't effect them, even if it brings down a whole hospital, school district, or whatever

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if it gets in the way of doing the job, it will be bypassed or ignored. User names and passwords on sticky notes is just human nature.

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Stopping these behaviours is like "teaching" people to breath methane.. perfect systems require perfec

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"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex

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Re:There's a balance to strike... (Score: 1)

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by crotherm (5427) on Tuesday November 30, @01:22AM (#1200754)

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This is why it has to be the responsibility organizations that offer the services to keep things secure. User should not get to decide security policy. Well that's the way it used to be, so long ago, when sysadms were king. :p

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Re:There's a balance to strike... (Score: 4, Insightful)

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by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday November 30, @02:24AM (#1200760)

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In the end, this is what regulations are all about.

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CE mark rolled out design controls in the mid 1990s, FDA followed suit for US medical devices shortly thereafter. They did it because the nature of competitive business is to cut corners, take risks, and if the shit hits the fan: file bankruptcy. Not a great standard for making products that put the consumers at risk of death or serious injury when they fail.

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We're getting to the point where insecure networks are literally putting people's lives at risk. I'd like to see industry self-regulate and keep their own house in order without mandatory audits, procedural requirements, etc. but if history is any guide, we can expect those kind of regulations to start affecting large swaths of the internet in a few years.

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John Galt is a selfish crybaby [huffpost.com].

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Re:There's a balance to strike... (Score: 3, Insightful)

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by MostCynical (2589) on Tuesday November 30, @04:29AM (#1200781) Journal

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one of the fundamental questions that needs to be answered is "why are so many systems accessible on the internet?"

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"Convenience"? Not really much of a reason/excuse//

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Banks have to provide web pages and apps or lose customers..

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Hospitals?

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Medical practices?

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Lawyers?

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Schools?

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A simple web-based client booking system covers most "consumer" interactions for most of these..

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"Cloud" isn't a good enough excuse, either.

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"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex

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Re:There's a balance to strike... (Score: 2)

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by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday November 30, @12:54PM (#1200833)

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For sure... the first step I take in securing a system is to cut off un-necessary attack surfaces, starting with anything exposed to the open internet.

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Thing is, inside a hospital the network is so large and uncontrolled, it's almost as hostile as the open internet. Once you get more than about 5 users on a network, you really need to switch it to zero trust footing because one of them will be bringing in a trojan or virus sooner or later. And hospitals do have legitimate needs to communicate internally among hundreds, sometimes thousands, of users / endpoints.

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John Galt is a selfish crybaby [huffpost.com].

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Re:There's a balance to strike... (Score: 0)

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by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 30, @04:20AM (#1200780)

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The problem is that there is no accountability. There needs to be accountability.

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If a company gives the same password to all of their interns and that company gets hacked and my user data is spread on the Internet the company's negligence is not victimless. They need to be severely fined for being so negligent. The problem is that they don't get fined and the victims don't get adequately compensated.

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money wins. (Score: -1, Offtopic)

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by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 30, @01:53PM (#1200846)

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good read.

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the "computer" is just electronics switching "logic".

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humans have nothing to do. a factory that used to employee 100, now employees 10 humans 80 robots and 10 computers.

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the way to save this dilemna is to " busy" work the 90 humans with excel, word and ... the internet.

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i hope, we can be done with "switching logic" (computing for computing sake) and fight the real war with "switching power and energy" in silly-con ... and evovle to owning and producing our own infinite energy, free from having to be enlisted to fight (and real world die(!) for energy-barons energy wars.

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long live the mosfet and h-bridge!

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Re:money wins. (Score: 0)

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by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 30, @02:17PM (#1200853)

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picture like this:

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a spherical, huge, gleeming steel reactor with view-ports.

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inside you see the wonderous world of "modern computing". rainbow-color flares of twitters and puffy clouds of facebook, with golden rays of emails; complex shapes of theortical models giving rise to other complex, even more complex shapes.

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the poetry continues.

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you look away at the factory floor you're standing on and see a old, stained cord coming from the reactor that plugs into a rusty 'ol oil drum with a mechanical level gauge.

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in the background, people who, once in a while, open the reactor and pluck out people to "go behind the shed" to fetch a new oil drum.

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all the while, in orbit, aliens in their sun-glared cockpit are frantically discussing why the tech inside the reactor isn't used to power the reactor itself and why some don't return from behind the shed ...

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Bullshit jobs (Score: 2)

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by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 30, @02:51PM (#1200862) Journal

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the way to save this dilemna is to " busy" work the 90 humans with excel, word and ... the internet.

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That was mentioned a little where the article makes reference to "bullshit jobs" [tuxmachines.org] as defined by the late David Graeber. He did some research into the nature and volume of jobs that add no positive worth to society [vox.com], with many actually having a negative net value to society. Things would simply get better if those jobs vanished, with the improvement being substantial for the removal of a subset.

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The movement which has replaced ICT with IT is a far cry from creating a bicycle for the mind [youtu.be] as envisioned by the early leaders. The idea was that ICT was a tool to amplify abilities, especially in the realm of intellect. Furthermore, in the early days, computer science was supposed to be for everyone and not about just getting a job [wordpress.com]. Think of the great heights society could reach if all the bullshitters were somehow

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converted to activities which provided at least some positive value. For microsofters, though, that contribution might only be through marrow donation followed by rendering for agriculture.

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Busywork is only useful for empire builders, and harms society at large. For the same money, those same people could be reassigned to work productively.

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Money is not free speech. Elections should not be auctions.

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The Cuckoo's Egg (Score: 0)

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by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 30, @03:07PM (#1200866)

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This is where I started. Great introduction to Cyber Security.

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Re:The Cuckoo's Egg (Score: 0)

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by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 30, @03:10PM (#1200869)

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https://www.crime-research.org/library/grcdos.pdf [crime-research.org]

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All the oldies are goldies.

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Real world (Score: 0)

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by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 01, @06:04PM (#1201203)

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Let me tell you about the real world. In the real world for most people it doesn't really matter as much as the cybersecurity scaremongers make out.

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1) Keep backups

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2) Keep more backups elsewhere

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3) Nobody gives a damn about most people's secrets especially the secrets of people who can't learn cybersecurity.

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If cybersecurity matters to you, you learn it.

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On a related note - for decades credit card payments have worked just by knowing the number. Yeah there was some fraud but in the real world big picture it didn't matter.

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backup ends

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Subject: Re: Fwd: Tux machines

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Date: xxxxxxxx

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From: xxxxxxx

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Sorry for the delay, and the overly long response. xxxxxxx, except for nudging the one script.

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Very well written. On the assertion that M$ has held back computing 20

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years, I'd say it's important to prepend the phrase "at least" to that.

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I usually say 40 or so nowadays. I has not only been held back or

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stagnated since M$ became increased its interference in the 1990s, but

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also computing in general has actually been set back in many areas. [1]

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It's hard to convince people of that though since they been told for

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years, for some since they started with computers, that the sun shines

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out of Bill's every orifice. So good footnotes or endnotes on that are

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important.

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As M$, and Google, insinuate their proprietary products and services

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into education and health care, the case for not just open standards but

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also Open Source (or even FOSS) becomes stronger. RMS and David A

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Wheeler, among others, have written why FOSS and Open Standards are

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essential components of education. Around here, sadly, M$ resellers

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have replaced the IT departments and maneuvered into a position where

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they determine to a certain extent the curriculum and syllabi, not just

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the teaching methods. Some tried to push back 10 years ago, but ended

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up in Google's mire, instead of breaking free of proprietary. On the

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other side of the pond, several higher institutions had fallen during

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the same time period from self-hosting to Google. That was a

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compromise, since they had been infiltrated by microsofters and they

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were presented with the sole choice of Google or M$.

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As for the suitcase data centers, yes! xxxxxxxxxxxx was before the Raspberry

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Pi so xxxxxxx usually had to carry not just a brief case but a large back pack

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with 20+ kg of equipment and cabling and a 3G modem. xxxxxxx could, and did

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many times, set up a lab Archibald Tuttle style anywhere within 5 to 10

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minutes. Sometimes set up a subset during train commutes.

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Don't let M$ steal or disparage a nationality. M$ is not a US

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corporation, or it is not in any sense of the phrase as used when I was

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younger: If I understand correctly, the HQ and money are overseas.

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Check with EDGAR to be sure:

https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=789019&owner=exclude

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And it sure works against US interests to advance its own. However, be

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.sec.gov | EDGAR Entity Landing Page

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that as it may, the US government has become beholden to M$ politics.

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Backdoors for everyone!

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I think it is important to define "security" early on in any article to

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avoid confusion. If one defines "security" to be the combination of

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confidentiality, integrity, and availability, then M$ fails at all

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three. By using vague and varying language, M$ avoids defining it and

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usually means it as job security, as in iron rice bowl, rather than any

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of the three aspects they fail at completely.

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Another aspect of "security" is safety and fitness for purpose [3], both

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of which are where M$ fails yet again.

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Again, it was refreshing to read. I look forward to the posts.

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/xxxxxxx

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[1] There are *many* examples, but one is in the desktop as they use

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bitmaps instead of client-server for rendering.

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[2] Product liability

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Transcript, "Cybersecurity as Realpolitik", Dan Geer, 2014:

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http://geer.tinho.net/geer.blackhat.6viii14.txt

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Video, "Cybersecurity as Realpolitik", Dan Geer, 2014:

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https://youtu.be/nT-TGvYOBpI?t=1530s

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Article, "The Software Industry IS STILL the Problem:

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The time is (also) way overdue for IT professional

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liability", Poul-Henning Kamp, 2021:

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https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3487019.3489045

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Article, "The Software Industry IS the Problem:

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The time has come for software liability laws.",

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Poul-Henning Kamp, 2011

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https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2030258

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PS. Instead of a movie to set the tone, xxxxxxxx used /hnefatafl/ to attempt

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the students to think asymmetrically:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafl_games

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Tafl games - Wikipedia

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Printed the grid on sheets of A3 and used bags of colored, melted

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marbles from a gardens shop for the pieces. xxxxxxxx had intended to use

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"Illuminati" for the asymmetry part as it is much more so and

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multiplayer to boot:

https://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.sjgames.com | Illuminati: The Game of Conspiracy

https://www.news.com.au/technology/home-entertainment/gaming/outofprint-conspiracy-card-game-from-1994-that-predicted-911-sees-renewed-popularity-amid-covid19/news-story/aa7a7e43202fbd12de70f39af14269b9

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It was available in the stores in the US but xxxxxx every move to import it

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was blocked for about a year until xxxxxxxx was no longer xxxxx.

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PPS. xxxxxx got some /business/ students to master the quick sort algorithm

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by showing them how to apply it to regular playing cards. No bubble

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sort for them, not even once.

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Addendum: Please also consider https://publiccode.eu/ in the context of

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the mention of RMS and David A Wheeler.

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The link to publiccode.eu can be moved in the text a little. It covers

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topics brought up by DAW and RMS but is itself not their specific words.

https://www.gnu.org/education/edu-schools.en.html

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gnu.org | Why Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation

http://dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-dwheeler.com | Why Open Source Software / Free Software (OSS/FS, FOSS, or FLOSS)? Look at the Numbers!

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The drop-caps need to be in the same paragraph as the rest of the text

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they are connected to:

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<p>he EPO is wasting money on stock market gambling,” we noted the other day. ...

from http://techrights.org/2021/12/01/self-regulation-epo/

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Having the first letter in a separate paragraph can't really be worked around

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and ends up like this:

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gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/01/self-regulation-epo/

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That throws off screen readers a bit.

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(I've since edited the HTML)

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are purge_logs.sh and gemini-main-index-template.sh uptodate in Git?

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With the drop cap, I noticed my error when I saw the article later in RSS feeds. Thanks for letting me know you edited it, I assume a very minor edit (wordpress does version control)

Dec 02 08:11

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schestowitz-TR

those two files are not up to date in git, thanks for reminding me of it. For some files it is typical for the server to be "ahead"... I typically check or diff before changing them

Dec 02 08:19

Techrights-sec2

Yes, it was just to merge the two paragraphs

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I usually go from the basis that Git has the authoritative version, regardless

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of what might be elsewhere.

schestowitz-TR

another factor is, the changes I made were really negligible and would take moments to reproduce

Techrights-sec2

No need to do them twice though.

Dec 02 08:23

schestowitz

added last line:

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to do when there's a new/next month:

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schestowitz microblog index - create more months (changes to open file inc. top of current open file, namely change month NUMBER and NAME OF MONTH, sometimes YEAR.. at end of December)

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template.txt one number/month up!

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raspi/gemini: 1) delete old logs (change script purge_logs), 2) change index for bulletins front page (gemini-main-index-template.sh add TWO LINES) and

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DEPRECATED (automatic) 3) add older month in '~/gemini/archives'

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videos in techrights

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change ~/daily-links.sh script (just the month number/year in end of December)

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push to git purge_logs, gemini-main-index-template.sh

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Dec 02 10:35

schestowitz-TR

nback ~2 hours

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back, all good

Techrights-sec2

Techrights-sec2

excellent news

Techrights-sec2

I'm wondering if the Gemini IRC logs can be made to serve as Gemini instead

Techrights-sec2

of text/plain e.g.

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gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-011221.txt

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to gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-011221.gmi

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instead. It would probably eliminate the need for an external viewer, at least

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in some Gemini clients.

schestowitz-TR

good point

schestowitz-TR

considerations

schestowitz-TR

creating a new set of files can be costly

schestowitz-TR

generating gem on the fly can be hard with agate

schestowitz-TR

there are existing links which go to .txt

schestowitz-TR

I do not know if you can serve a .txt file as gmi but maybe that depends on the client softweare

Techrights-sec2

same files, perhaps even same inodes (hardlink) but different names there

Dec 02 10:52

Techrights-sec2

I would think it depends more on Agate's abilities

Dec 02 10:52

Techrights-sec2

(Agate needs updating btw)

Dec 02 10:52

schestowitz-TR

I am going to test with moonlander, lagrange, and amfora

Dec 02 10:54

Techrights-sec2

Excellent

Dec 02 10:55

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schestowitz-TR

ok, so it looks like the .txt extension is a problem. both lagrange and amfora don't give a damn about gemtext and interpret it as just normal text

Dec 02 11:01

Techrights-sec2

Which script and which account calls xhtml-log-to-text.pl ? It is

Dec 02 11:04

Techrights-sec2

not used by Gemini, but that's where the workflow can be changed.

Dec 02 11:04

Techrights-sec2

Can Agate be made to provide the rightr MIME type for those directories instead?

Dec 02 11:04

schestowitz-TR

th e script runs on my laptop at 2:30am

Dec 02 11:06

schestowitz-TR

I know little about agate

Dec 02 11:06

schestowitz-TR

I assume you want to convert links in the logs into clickable ones, or use headlines for times, e.g. 11pm

Dec 02 11:08

schestowitz

Also available via the Gemini protocol at:

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gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-011221.txt

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gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-011221.txt

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gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-011221.txt

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gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-011221.txt

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This could become a second portion, follow up on

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same as above, 4 links, with gmi or dir with index.gmi in it

Techrights-sec2

since they are links, maybe just leave them as is and add a third link

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with the .gmi extension. But which script?

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$ find /home -type f -samefile /home/gemini/gemini/tr_text_version/irc-log-010321.txt -print 2>/dev/null

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/home/gemini/gemini/tr_text_version/irc-log-010321.txt

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/home/glr/tr_text_version/irc-log-010321.txt

Techrights-sec2

Ok it looks like the script that populates tr_text_version is not on the RPi,

Techrights-sec2

is that the one you mentioned runs at 02:30 UTC from your machine?

schestowitz

the file which populates this dir is yesterday_irc_log shell script, I think, and is in git

Dec 02 11:20

schestowitz

30 02 * * * /home/roy/yesterday-irc.log.sh > /home/roy/output.txt

Dec 02 11:21

Techrights-sec2

Can you post the 2:30 UTC script?

Dec 02 11:22

Techrights-sec2

Hmm. Not in Git.

Dec 02 11:22

Techrights-sec2

$ find . -type f -name yesterday-irc.log.sh -print | wc -l

Dec 02 11:26

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Dec 02 11:26

schestowitz-TR

I thought I had added it, but I was wrong

Dec 02 11:26

Techrights-sec2

It could go in the IRC directory within the repository.

Dec 02 11:30

schestowitz-TR

I probably added this and others to git before we reset it, let me redact and readd

Dec 02 11:30

Techrights-sec2

thanks

Dec 02 11:34

schestowitz-TR

pushed to git, please do not edit as it would risk my nightly workflow breaking or reintegrated into my files wi

Dec 02 11:36

schestowitz-TR

thout the redacted bits

Dec 02 11:36

schestowitz-TR

I will add the bullein files too, as before, I assume I did it on the old repo

Dec 02 11:36

schestowitz-TR

just added text_upload.sh as well. no need to improve it as we would have to test any changes carefully

Dec 02 11:41

Techrights-sec2

If possible it would be useful to add two lines to yesterday-irc.log.sh

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so that it makes the hardlinks, but if that is undesireable, they

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can be made separately as well

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Nevermind. I can guess the redacvted part uploads, links don't upload well

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except with Rsync.

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I'll ift it in under the Gemini script directory

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Dec 02 12:13

Techrights-sec2

for some reason the files in ~gemini/gemini/tr_text_version/ are owned by

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glr (1002)

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That blocks creation of hard links by the gemini account.

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Agate does not like soft links

schestowitz-TR

we can alter the nightly job

Dec 02 12:37

Techrights-sec2

s/text/gmi/

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find/home/gemini/gemini/tr_text_version \

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-maxdepth 1 -type f -name '*.txt' -printf '%P\n' \

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| xargs -I {} sh -c 'f={}; test -f ${f%%.txt}.gmi || ln ${f} ${f%%.txt}.gmi'

schestowitz-TR

do you want me to run that?

Techrights-sec2

It would need to be run after / as part of each upload to the tr_text_version

Dec 02 13:04

Techrights-sec2

directory. It has to run from within /home/gemini/gemini/tr_text_version

Dec 02 13:04

schestowitz-TR

so you found a way to accomplish it, well done

Dec 02 13:04

Techrights-sec2

np; thought it might not be the most efficient and scalable of all time,

Dec 02 13:09

Techrights-sec2

it shoud do for the foreeable future

Dec 02 13:09

schestowitz-TR

yesterday a regular reader over gemini joined IRC, so we know some people frequent the capsule. 1pm, 16.5k reqs so far today

Dec 02 13:10

Techrights-sec2

Awesome. Gemini is really an easier way to read the articles even if the WWW

Dec 02 13:11

Techrights-sec2

interface is more familiar for the time being.

Dec 02 13:11

schestowitz-TR

kate is also good for reading news ;-)

Dec 02 13:11

schestowitz

"There are 1840 capsules. We successfully connected recently to 1495 of them."

Dec 02 14:09

schestowitz

we're still at the top of the list

Dec 02 14:09

schestowitz

gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tester.txt is where I tested to see how clients handle gemtext with txt extension

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Dec 02 14:21

schestowitz-TR

GFAMA has escalated to "I know where you live!!"

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Sending by post the exact same thing as by email

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Of course I have no plan of borthing

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as I can sue also

Techrights-sec2

maybe a good plan B

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to have in reserve.

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It does mean that the posts are quite effective.

schestowitz-TR

yes, which condemn the technial work, harming employment chance, based on the text of the letter

schestowitz-TR

stalking someone in IRC 24/7 is unhealthy obsession. legal people 'get' that.

Dec 02 14:28

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Dec 02 14:28

Techrights-sec2

yes, there are many approaches to a counter

Dec 02 14:30

Techrights-sec2

btw v2 seems to make Gemini sluggish, can you test the current incarnation of v6

Dec 02 14:30

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Dec 02 14:30

schestowitz-TR

it has been running v6 since you last changed it ;-) network maxed up here sometimes. gemini slow also partly due to 60k reqs in past 1.5 days

Dec 02 14:31

Techrights-sec2

Ah. But which version of v6? tc is difficult

Dec 02 14:32

schestowitz-TR

I ran ir directly from your homedir after you had changed it last night

Dec 02 14:33

Techrights-sec2

then it still needs work,

Dec 02 14:33

schestowitz-TR

the current one feels very close, compared to prior "6" and 5. maybe try a 7 to avoid confusion over which version of "6" runs.

Dec 02 14:34

Techrights-sec2

I must read some more first though.

Dec 02 14:35

Techrights-sec2

tc -g -s class show dev wlan0 ?

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Techrights-sec2

ok, some tweaks in tc-shaper-07.sh; seems to work ok on the test device, but...

Dec 02 17:39

schestowitz-TR

running now

Dec 02 17:39

schestowitz-TR

gemini is slow now

Dec 02 17:45

Techrights-sec2

:( one more change then. just a sec

Dec 02 17:45

Techrights-sec2

tc-shaper-07.sh should handle Gemini a little faster now, please reload it

Dec 02 17:51

schestowitz-TR

i've rerun it now

Dec 02 17:51

Techrights-sec2

seems slightly slow but ok now

Dec 02 17:52

Techrights-sec2

it could be the disk too if IPFS is runnning

Dec 02 17:52

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tc -g -s class show dev eth0

Dec 02 17:57

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should show the layout

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