●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 03, 2023 ●● ● Mar 03 [00:06] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:44] *Mio14 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [00:45] *Mio14 (~quassel@freenode-mav.c5d.009a3c.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 03 [01:34] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [01:36] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 03 [02:47] schestowitz-pi2 i can now say that I've 'mastered' the new workflow [02:47] schestowitz-pi2 yesterday i had many other tasks [02:47] schestowitz-pi2 associated with organising things in the house, going a few places [02:47] schestowitz-pi2 i hope i'll be able to find the tech news faster now [02:47] schestowitz-pi2 and then do artcles/videos [02:47] schestowitz-pi2 i still don't fully understand how 09.py retains or discards stories from past generation cycles [02:47] schestowitz-pi2 but i'll learn over time ● Mar 03 [03:14] techrights[sec] The -d option is optional but it sets the cutoff date. In a correctly formatted [03:14] techrights[sec] feed, each item has the date of publication or update for that item. The [03:14] techrights[sec] cutoff date defaults to 00:00 as two days ago, calculated when the script is run [03:14] techrights[sec] If the items are older, they are skipped. The default cutoff date can be [03:14] techrights[sec] overridden with the -d option. That's one cut. The other is that it stores [03:14] techrights[sec] the date and time of the most recent attempt and the most recent successful [03:14] techrights[sec] retrieval. The HTTP requests include an If-Modified-Since header so if the [03:14] techrights[sec] feed itself has not changed since last successful retrieval, then it is skipped. [03:14] techrights[sec] That can be overrrun by using the --force option, or at least it should. [03:14] techrights[sec] The primary principle at work here is the time-management rule of processing [03:14] techrights[sec] each item once and only once. The browser tracks whether you've seen the [03:14] techrights[sec] web page linked to by the feed's item. The script tracks whether you've [03:14] techrights[sec] loaded that particular edition of the feed. Reloading the script without [03:14] techrights[sec] having done the manual work of checking the items will ensure that they are [03:14] techrights[sec] hidden from view and skipped. You can reset the state by reloading the [03:14] techrights[sec] whole OPML file, but that will be slow as it will try to bring in /all/ the [03:14] techrights[sec] feeds. [03:14] techrights[sec] one approach: don't re-run the script until the current page's feed items [03:14] techrights[sec] have been reviewed [03:16] schestowitz-pi2 this is precisely what i am doing right now, based on these assumptions [03:16] schestowitz-pi2 i am failing to get some feeds, esp. google/youtube/blogspot ones [03:16] schestowitz-pi2 so in falkon i scoop up things I'd otherwise overlook [03:16] schestowitz-pi2 but btw, the abundance of sources and items now may mean i'll feel a lot [03:16] schestowitz-pi2 less guilty about 'missing' something [03:16] schestowitz-pi2 and rianne has a very similar opml file anyway, so she catches the important stuff [03:16] schestowitz-pi2 very fast [03:49] schestowitz-pi2 Latvian Foreign Ministry bans TikTok on work phones https://eng.lsm.lv/article/politics/politics/latvian-foreign-ministry-bans-tiktok-on-work-phones.a498883/ [03:49] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-eng.lsm.lv | Latvian Foreign Ministry bans TikTok on work phones / Article [03:51] schestowitz-pi2 irrespective of their reasons, motivations, explanations [03:51] schestowitz-pi2 this is a goodthing(R) [03:51] schestowitz-pi2 and I hope that, over time, they'll recognise those harmful programsd [03:51] schestowitz-pi2 aren't just the ones from china [03:51] schestowitz-pi2 and not only politicians are at risk [03:52] schestowitz-pi2 not every "binary" (code) is useful by virtue of merely existing [03:52] schestowitz-pi2 and usage does not imply usefulness [03:52] schestowitz-pi2 no more than vodka use implies happiness and satisfaction [03:52] schestowitz-pi2 so i feel optimism in this area [03:52] schestowitz-pi2 at 5am we'll repost ryan's followup on microsoft hiring more criminals ● Mar 03 [04:15] schestowitz-pi2 Zuckerberg said he would "fuck them in the ear"... do you trust this sociopath? He mocked people who trusted him, calling them "dumb fucks" https://gizmodo.com/meta-horizon-worlds-facebook-instagram-zuckerberg-1850178955 [04:15] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gizmodo.com | 'Halt This Plan': Senators Tell Meta Not to Open Horizon Worlds to Teens [04:16] techrights[sec] Yes, however, it is almost like the conversations are all actively steered away [04:16] techrights[sec] from examining the manipulation and disinformation that social control media [04:16] techrights[sec] -- all social control media -- has as its base service. Social control media [04:16] techrights[sec] is not service for those that obsessively click and "emit behaviors" on it. It [04:16] techrights[sec] is a service for the large companies and the nations which pay to modified [04:16] techrights[sec] public opinion in one direction or another, The West has not been aware of [04:16] techrights[sec] that or else simply not acted on it while hostile entities have. [04:21] schestowitz-pi2 We Found 28,000 Apps Sending TikTok Data. Banning the App Won't Help. https://gizmodo.com/tiktok-ban-joe-biden-28000-apps-sdk-data-china-1850174019 [04:21] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gizmodo.com | We Found 28,000 Apps Sending Data to TikTok. A Ban Won't Help. [04:22] schestowitz-pi2 again, missing the point that the privacy aspects are not the principal issue [04:22] schestowitz-pi2 Saudi twitter is meanwhile siccing crazy people on women [04:22] schestowitz-pi2 and that's considered OK [04:23] techrights[sec] Yes, I recall reports of Zuckerberg's email on the topic. Yet there was puff [04:23] techrights[sec] piece after puff piece extolling the (perceived) benefits of social control [04:23] techrights[sec] media and of Facebook in particular. [04:23] techrights[sec] Every time Facebook seemed to be on the ropes, droves of articles turned up [04:23] techrights[sec] playing on the Fear Of Missing Out, especially in tabloids. [04:23] techrights[sec] They are only a symptom. The Biden administration is being mislead by [04:23] techrights[sec] microsofters embedded on the staff so they are not going to be able to from [04:23] techrights[sec] a cogent policy anyway. [04:24] schestowitz-pi2 like chris krebs [04:24] schestowitz-pi2 under trump [04:24] schestowitz-pi2 they are lots of 'ex' MSFT [04:24] schestowitz-pi2 and 'ex' IBM [04:24] schestowitz-pi2 the latter worry me a lot more [04:24] schestowitz-pi2 many left ICBM decades ago [04:25] techrights[sec] IBM is bad but there are no redeeming characteristics of "former" microsofters [04:25] techrights[sec] Yet they are allowed to continue to pose as IT workers because the industry [04:25] techrights[sec] fails to police itself. [04:27] schestowitz-pi2 Mr. Kink was a Windows users [04:27] schestowitz-pi2 brought three women he had slept with to the company [04:27] schestowitz-pi2 at best, they could figure out how to put a VM on Windows [04:27] schestowitz-pi2 with his help [04:27] schestowitz-pi2 VirtualBox [04:27] schestowitz-pi2 so imagine a company of geeks turning into this trash [04:27] schestowitz-pi2 and paying $800 a month in AWS bills [04:27] schestowitz-pi2 for almost nothing [04:27] schestowitz-pi2 we already had a whole rack or two of servers [04:27] schestowitz-pi2 in the office [04:28] techrights[sec] VMs on Windows never work out. All the time there is wasted on Windows-related [04:28] techrights[sec] problems and never with the actual contents of the VM. [04:28] techrights[sec] Again, microsofters posing fraudulently as IT workers. >:( [04:29] schestowitz-pi2 but, to be fair, he did work very hard [04:29] schestowitz-pi2 and even prior to this the company was having issues [04:29] schestowitz-pi2 but the key point is, you cannot run a FOSS specialists with 'hires' like these [04:29] schestowitz-pi2 we need people who can complete jobs, not blow jobs [04:29] schestowitz-pi2 and also show up on time [04:29] schestowitz-pi2 or apologise when they are late [04:31] schestowitz-pi2 i realise now I link to gizmodo yoo much giving its quality [04:31] schestowitz-pi2 it's no better than "sister" engagdet [04:31] schestowitz-pi2 inc. obvious, blatant clickbait and microsoft spam [04:31] schestowitz-pi2 spam as in, obv. PR plant [04:31] schestowitz-pi2 maybe I'll cull that out next [04:31] schestowitz-pi2 in the next round of culling [04:31] schestowitz-pi2 cnet has become a total joke, all you have to do is see the RSS outlinee... WTH??? [04:33] schestowitz-pi2 OpenAI Says It Won't Steal Data From Those Who Use Its New API to Train ChatGPT https://gizmodo.com/open-ai-c [04:33] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://gizmodo.com/open-ai-c ) [04:33] schestowitz-pi2 hatgpt-api-bing-google-ai-1850174901 [04:33] schestowitz-pi2 "open [sic] heyn hi says" [04:33] schestowitz-pi2 "bill sez" [04:33] schestowitz-pi2 check what's true [04:33] schestowitz-pi2 not what microsoft proxy says [04:33] schestowitz-pi2 this is not journalism ● Mar 03 [05:33] schestowitz-pi2 the latest Daily Links is the size I'll aim for [05:33] schestowitz-pi2 i'm getting more productive but am still adjusting [05:33] schestowitz-pi2 but what sort of excites me are the office changes [05:33] schestowitz-pi2 and the general workflow [05:33] schestowitz-pi2 as the potential is vast and now I can do this full time [05:33] schestowitz-pi2 with exercise on top (running outside, barbells indoors) [05:33] schestowitz-pi2 the health benefits of low stress levels is vast [05:33] schestowitz-pi2 and lately I've not seen many anti-Linux pieces [05:33] schestowitz-pi2 annoying news? yes. but not a lot of anti-free software ● Mar 03 [06:26] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [06:26] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@nqkitbgnqjad4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:56] *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). [06:57] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [06:57] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [06:57] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 [06:57] *libertybox_ (~schestowitz_log@rbnv8qskr8rgw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:57] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@rbnv8qskr8rgw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:57] *rianne (~rianne@rbnv8qskr8rgw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:57] *techrights[sec] (~tokwe@rbnv8qskr8rgw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:57] *Moocher5254 (~quassel@i7sfqsqsuqk4i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [06:57] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [06:57] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [06:59] schestowitz-pi2 Were going teetotal: Its goodbye to The Daily Swig https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/were-going-teetotal-its-goodbye-to-the-daily-swig [06:59] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-portswigger.net | Were going teetotal: Its goodbye to The Daily Swig | The Daily Swig ● Mar 03 [07:00] schestowitz-pi2 we've just lost the connection to the HV again [07:00] schestowitz-pi2 for almost 10 mins [07:00] schestowitz-pi2 so did other users in europe [07:00] schestowitz-pi2 so i suspect it's something to do with the war [07:00] schestowitz-pi2 but cannot prove it [07:00] schestowitz-pi2 maybe ddos vs ISPs [07:00] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@h3zweagrqmpmk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:02] mjg59_ Occam's razor, dude [07:03] schestowitz-pi2 your vpn is in ireland [07:03] schestowitz-pi2 the people who lose persistent connection are in europe [07:03] schestowitz-pi2 and there was a report about ddos [07:07] mjg59_ So (1) no I don't have a VPN in Ireland and (2) from the US I still had access to my European machines, so it wasn't that European ISPs were losing access to the US in general [07:07] mjg59_ It's massively more likely that your server hosting or one of their upstreams lost connectivity for a period [07:18] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [07:32] techrights[sec] There's an awful lot of overlap between the sites being covered in search of [07:32] techrights[sec] links. It might make more sense to divide up the pool of sites as it does [07:32] techrights[sec] not make sense to check the same ones two or even three times. [07:36] schestowitz-pi2 got a lot of epo material to bring "public" today [07:36] schestowitz-pi2 the pension thing on hold for now... [07:36] schestowitz-pi2 impending probe by colleague as well [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 biab, workout [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 maybe some fibre/isp is targeted [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 doesn'r matter the cause as much as the effect [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 connections from Europe to Calif can drop [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 for 2 minutes, one hour... [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 affects hungary,m germany, NL... [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 *nl [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 daemonfc dropped too [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 i asked if he used europe vpn [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 he said yes [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 has been having connection issues lately [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 but if you see an actual report/article, it would be more authorative [07:52] schestowitz-pi2 than guesswork [07:52] techrights[sec] It may be only the UK - US connection, IIRC there are other connections [07:54] DaemonFC I use a Netherlands VPN. [07:55] DaemonFC I block the cookie notices in my browsers anyway and by law they can't do the tracking unless you click yes. [07:55] DaemonFC Since the ad blocker gets rid of the notice where I can't see it to click on anything.... ● Mar 03 [08:22] techrights[sec] When the connecton there goes out, maybe he could try traceroute over the VPN [08:22] techrights[sec] and try exit nodes in different countries. [08:59] techrights[sec] If all traffic goes through the VPN. traceroute can be used. [08:59] techrights[sec] Otherwise, if only the end point of the VPN can be changed, it can be moved [08:59] techrights[sec] around until reconnection is possible assuming the VPN itself does not go [08:59] techrights[sec] unavailable during the same interval. ● Mar 03 [09:00] schestowitz-pi2 gonna OTA in a moment [09:00] schestowitz-pi2 EPO internal aplenty!! [09:00] schestowitz-pi2 SHTF [09:25] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.15 [SeaMonkey 2.53.15/20230121223026]) [09:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 03 [10:22] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [10:24] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [10:42] schestowitz-pi2 done [10:42] schestowitz-pi2 now working on the text [10:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 03 [11:45] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:49] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cbcfptirpkfqa.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:52] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@nqkitbgnqjad4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:52] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@freenode-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 03 [12:16] schestowitz-pi2 the po scandals are MASSIVE [12:17] schestowitz-pi2 you would THINK that MEPs and the 'media' would give [12:24] schestowitz-pi2 a shit [12:24] schestowitz-pi2 *EPO [12:24] techrights[sec] MEPs are probably part of the problem and not just through passivity [12:24] techrights[sec] Media avoids anything even remotely related to technology policy, in any shape [12:24] techrights[sec] or form. That's in part thanks to the Bill and Lolita slush fund which [12:24] techrights[sec] is used liberally to prevent such coverage lest people bring up the topic [12:24] techrights[sec] of software Freedom. [12:24] techrights[sec] Or of no-M$ software. [12:40] techrights[sec] checking [12:40] schestowitz-pi2 paste by accident [12:40] schestowitz-pi2 wrong window [12:40] schestowitz-pi2 not my DE of choice [12:40] schestowitz-pi2 btw, I might only refresh [sic] rss once a day [12:40] schestowitz-pi2 to simplify my reading cycles [12:40] schestowitz-pi2 but undecided [12:54] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [12:56] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cbcfptirpkfqa.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:56] techrights[sec] Once a day is probably sufficient. The feeds are generally not updated so [12:56] techrights[sec] frequently as to warrant more often. Though the Indian news papers always [12:56] techrights[sec] have new material throughout the day nearly all of it is not relevant in any [12:56] techrights[sec] way to ICT. [12:56] techrights[sec] ] [12:56] techrights[sec] or ICT policy. ● Mar 03 [13:50] techrights[sec] Going to test redirection of the gallery from tm-old [13:50] techrights[sec] Using 301 Moved Permanently, since such an old version of Apache does not [13:50] techrights[sec] support 308 Permanent Redirect [13:50] techrights[sec] Do you recall the status of the old nodes? I think those are complete and [13:50] techrights[sec] can also be redirected. But there is not an index.html for the whole collection [13:50] techrights[sec] overview. [13:50] techrights[sec] Spot check shows that /node is not complete yet ● Mar 03 [14:01] schestowitz-pi2 complete mirror is hard because of permalinks with url that is not "node/something" [14:01] schestowitz-pi2 and the sheer scale of that site [14:01] schestowitz-pi2 there is also the JS in the "tabs" in the page [14:01] schestowitz-pi2 which I'm not sure how to tackle [14:01] schestowitz-pi2 then printer/pdf [14:01] schestowitz-pi2 gallery was simpler and smaller [14:01] schestowitz-pi2 modern web is just very hard to manage unlike gemini [14:01] schestowitz-pi2 and there's no easy solution [14:01] schestowitz-pi2 in groklaw they zapped like 100k comments [14:06] techrights[sec] Yes though more of the nodes could be archived. [14:06] techrights[sec] Any thoughts on further approaches? [14:06] techrights[sec] JS is not on the list to save. [14:06] techrights[sec] Yes. [14:06] techrights[sec] The "modern" web is halfway to those horrible web "apps" that have replaced [14:06] techrights[sec] web pages. [14:06] techrights[sec] Groklaw could have mirrored with a different option and gotten all the [14:06] techrights[sec] comments but appeared to have elected to delete most of them. [14:06] techrights[sec] wget on tm-old is too old to use any selection criteria and would just [14:07] techrights[sec] get lost in loops, unlike more recent versions. But running the more recent [14:07] techrights[sec] version from a remote machine will eat bandwidth. :/ [14:07] techrights[sec] . [14:08] schestowitz-pi2 i can think of another approach [14:08] schestowitz-pi2 i'll have a go at it this weekend [14:08] schestowitz-pi2 ut there would be loads of web pages lying around [14:08] schestowitz-pi2 having experimented with it for a while, i'll need to consider what's already there [14:16] *schestowitz-TR has quit (*.net *.split) [14:16] *lightbringer has quit (*.net *.split) [14:19] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [14:19] *lightbringer (~mincer@freenode/user/lightbringer) has joined #boycottnovell [14:20] *schestowitz-TR has quit (*.net *.split) [14:20] *lightbringer has quit (*.net *.split) [14:21] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell [14:21] *lightbringer (~mincer@freenode/user/lightbringer) has joined #boycottnovell [14:42] techrights[sec] Ok. [14:42] techrights[sec] On closer look, /nodes might be complete already but it wouldn't hurt to [14:42] techrights[sec] double check. ● Mar 03 [15:02] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:15] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [15:58] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 03 [16:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Mar 03 [17:17] schestowitz-pi2 i got very tired really fast today [17:17] schestowitz-pi2 and will go in a moment [17:17] schestowitz-pi2 but weekend gives ample time to read it and catch up [17:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 03 [18:20] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cbcfptirpkfqa.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 03 [20:37] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4wdz55cy37z58.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 03 [21:39] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [21:41] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ahzjkf8umhje6.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [21:41] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.15 [SeaMonkey 2.53.15/20230121223026]) [21:42] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@3khny76cn5jaq.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Mar 03 [23:26] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed)