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schestowitz-TR "Josh and Kurt talk about a blog post that explains there isn’t really an open source software supply chain. The whole idea of open source being one thing is incorrect, open source is really a lot of little things put together. A lot of companies and organizations get this wrong." https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/10/02/episode-343-stop-trying-to-fix-the-open-source-software-supply-chain/Oct 03 06:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-opensourcesecurity.io | Episode 343 – Stop trying to fix the open source software supply chain – Open Source SecurityOct 03 06:10
schestowitz-TRthey seem to be saying more or less the same as what I said about itOct 03 06:10
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Techrights-secThey seem to failing to see, or perhaps denying, the distributed, decentralizedOct 03 08:12
Techrights-secnature of FOSS.  There's a lot of emergent behavior as it is sometimes called.Oct 03 08:12
Techrights-secfrom the FOSS side.  There are also powerful or at least influential opponentsOct 03 08:12
Techrights-secwho work for the very idea of decentralization to disappear.  So of courseOct 03 08:12
Techrights-secthey will not ever acknowledge it.         Oct 03 08:12
schestowitz-TRtes, this is why we fight back, if not on practical grounds then at least correcting the narrativeOct 03 08:13
schestowitz-TRJimmy and the Sunshine boys get paid to distort the narrativeOct 03 08:13
schestowitz-TRto make FS look bad Oct 03 08:13
schestowitz-TRand pass control to Pentagon contractorsOct 03 08:13
schestowitz-TRthat's how it isOct 03 08:13
schestowitz-TRcalling spade a "spadeOct 03 08:13
Techrights-sec      Oct 03 08:13
Techrights-secackOct 03 08:13
schestowitz-TRSnyky JimmyOct 03 08:14
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Techrights-sec:(Oct 03 08:27
Techrights-secOr BlackduckOct 03 08:27
schestowitz-TRDenyDuck got boughtOct 03 08:28
schestowitz-TRand tbh I think they don't do wellOct 03 08:28
schestowitz-TRthe past 2 years they're barely visibleOct 03 08:28
schestowitz-TRand unlike Synk they don't have much funded, I thinkOct 03 08:28
schestowitz-TROSI turned them away, but not LFOct 03 08:28
schestowitz-TRirinically OSI then took money from Microsoft itselfOct 03 08:28
Techrights-secWasn't there a third FUD machine too?  Snyk, Blackduck, ____Oct 03 08:41
Techrights-secIt's helpful that Blackduck is doing poorly, they had no value addedOct 03 08:41
Techrights-secand peddled only FUD.  Eventually that became univerally known and theirOct 03 08:41
Techrights-seccredibility vanished even among those that wanted to rent some FUDOct 03 08:41
Techrights-sechttps://techcrunch.com/2017/11/02/fifteen-year-old-black-duck-software-gets-its-exit-selling-to-synopsys-for-565-million/Oct 03 08:41
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Fifteen-year-old Black Duck Software gets its exit, selling to Synopsys for $565 million • TechCrunchOct 03 08:41
schestowitz-TRWhiteSOurceOct 03 08:42
schestowitz-TRdidn't even heard of them in yearsOct 03 08:42
schestowitz-TRmaybe defunctOct 03 08:42
schestowitz-TROpenLogic was gone for years, then mentioned a little lately, I think OSI works with themOct 03 08:42
schestowitz-TRclosing a Microsoft circle (jerks)Oct 03 08:42
schestowitz-TROpenLogic is where Microsoft's Stormy Peters came from too (after HP, IIRC)Oct 03 08:42
schestowitz-TRworking for a Microsofter   Oct 03 08:42
schestowitz-TRBruce Perens called them out on itOct 03 08:42
schestowitz-TRDenyDuck wrote some numbers on papers to "lookl good"Oct 03 08:42
schestowitz-TRthere was no truck of 'Benjamins'Oct 03 08:42
schestowitz-TRa lot of this sector is sheer fraud, like Sheela Microsoft's BakktOct 03 08:42
Techrights-secYes, that is the whole point, to peddle fraud.  Managers with unfounded opininons contact them wishing to buy some backing supporting their bad decisionsOct 03 08:46
Techrights-secbased on unfounded opinions (instead of empirical facts).  That buys themOct 03 08:46
Techrights-sectime to either blame someone or something else for their bad decisions orOct 03 08:46
Techrights-sectime to find a new job so that the collapse in someone else's responsibility.Oct 03 08:46
schestowitz-TRzero-sum where "I steal your money" with 'clever' ployOct 03 08:48
schestowitz-TRinstead of creating anything of real valueOct 03 08:48
schestowitz-TRsame in her prior employersOct 03 08:48
schestowitz-TRprpopaganda mills and resellers of MicrosoftOct 03 08:48
schestowitz-TRsnyk = DenyDuck 1.1Oct 03 08:48
schestowitz-TRSFC= OSI 1.1Oct 03 08:48
schestowitz-TRLF = stuart cohen (OSDL) reborn, first with a mask for a few years (Murdock as CTO), until they get the straitjacket on LT and his circleOct 03 08:48
Techrights-secckOct 03 08:48
schestowitz-TR ck lewis ;-)Oct 03 08:50
schestowitz-TRafter workout I'll record 2 epo videosOct 03 08:50
schestowitz-TRI ended up covering GPL plagiarism in a post, not a videoOct 03 08:50
schestowitz-TRrianne goes to hand over to final docs/papers to the solicitors at noonOct 03 08:50
schestowitz-TRi don't see how they can turn down the applicationOct 03 08:50
schestowitz-TRtruss will have caused brain drain by nowOct 03 08:50
schestowitz-TRnot that any other country thrives atmOct 03 08:50
Techrights-secexcellentOct 03 08:50
Techrights-sectruss has already added to the damage caused by bojotheclown Oct 03 08:52
schestowitz-TRyes, I could go on and on about itOct 03 08:56
schestowitz-TRbut refrained in recent years as I don't wish to get in trouble with the local authssOct 03 08:56
schestowitz-TRgchq is about 700 meters from us in heron houseOct 03 08:56
schestowitz-TRand rianne has this applicationOct 03 08:56
schestowitz-TRdon't want them to identify the spouse on some "list"Oct 03 08:56
schestowitz-TRso I focus on stuff like EPO insteadOct 03 08:56
schestowitz-TRI keep explaining to my dad,Oct 03 08:56
schestowitz-TRto us the current turmoil is not that big a dealOct 03 08:56
schestowitz-TRbecause we live in a bubble of choiceOct 03 08:56
schestowitz-TRworking from home, buying discounts like 80% of the timeOct 03 08:57
schestowitz-TRinc. this laptop I'm using right nowOct 03 08:57
schestowitz-TRyou can now get them even cheaper, it's amazing!Oct 03 08:57
schestowitz-TRnot that I need another laptop, rianne and I use 7 machines, not counting the pi that's in the living roomn acting mostlyOct 03 08:57
schestowitz-TRas server, http proxy, gemini, file storage, backup (5am each morning), and few other thingsOct 03 08:57
schestowitz-TRI turned off the LEDs a few months ago to save energy until it's positioned somewhere more visibleOct 03 08:57
schestowitz-TRit's still running ipfs but throttledOct 03 08:57
Techrights-secackOct 03 08:58
Techrights-secJust avoid laptops with Nvidia=   Oct 03 08:58
schestowitz-TRin RELATIVE terms, Manchester is doing OK because of foreign investment, inc. football and estateOct 03 09:00
schestowitz-TRwe have an influx of residentsOct 03 09:00
schestowitz-TRbut that won't last foreverOct 03 09:00
schestowitz-TRthis latest laptop is neat, good bang for the buckOct 03 09:00
schestowitz-TRathlon+radeon so can do video acceleration tooOct 03 09:00
schestowitz-TRit mostly does kate, lagrange, many terminals, and xchatOct 03 09:00
schestowitz-TRoh, obs studio sometimes, but it can copeOct 03 09:00
schestowitz-TRthe footprint (ram) of the above is smallOct 03 09:00
schestowitz-TRthunderbird is like 5 times more than all the above combinedOct 03 09:00
Techrights-secackOct 03 09:01
schestowitz-TRchecking...Oct 03 09:05
schestowitz-TRI don't know the answer.Oct 03 09:05
schestowitz-TRregarding the buttoms, I reckon I'll fit them onto that or another PiOct 03 09:05
schestowitz-TRI don't have a soldering gun and borrowing is harder when I try to avoid peopleOct 03 09:05
schestowitz-TRI limit myself to one "outsider" if it's very important like getting a reference for the applicationOct 03 09:05
schestowitz-TRa risk worth takingOct 03 09:05
schestowitz-TR(there was something else, not important, that I wanted to utter but forgot. will pass, move on..)Oct 03 09:05
Techrights-secIf TR is redon based on what we've learned from migrating TM, it should Oct 03 09:06
Techrights-secprobably use full time stamps internally.  Oct 03 09:06
schestowitz-TRi get distracted by irc a lotOct 03 09:12
schestowitz-TRit never truly stopdsOct 03 09:12
schestowitz-TRand not predictable eitherOct 03 09:12
schestowitz-TRbut s/n ratio is OKOct 03 09:12
schestowitz-TR(dang, still trying to recall the not-so-important thign I forgot, despite knowing it was rubbish)Oct 03 09:12
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Techrights-secexcellentOct 03 10:27
schestowitz-TRabck from workout, will record soonOct 03 10:44
schestowitz-TRirc ver on-opticOct 03 10:44
schestowitz-TRpolitics are in #techpolOct 03 10:44
schestowitz-TRit's good that I finsihed meeting those whom I needed to meetOct 03 10:44
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schestowitz-TRhttps://nitter.it/Oct 03 13:15
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.itOct 03 13:15
schestowitz-TRhttps://nitter.it/Oct 03 13:16
schestowitz-TRhttps://nitter.it/zoobab/status/1576881797618466821#mOct 03 13:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "Linux Foundation makes 200.000.000USD/year, not bad for a charity http://techrights.org/2022/10/01/pseudo-charitable-front-group/"|nitter.itOct 03 13:16
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schestowitz-TR"FOSSlife Team" = Microsoft liars. Watch them helping Microsoft... basically protecting criminals by blaming "Open Source" https://www.fosslife.org/hackers-target-it-staff-fake-job-offers-and-open-source-software see http://techrights.org/2022/10/01/blame-shifting/Oct 03 16:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fosslife.org | Hackers Use Fake Job Offers and Open Source Software to Target IT StaffOct 03 16:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft Doesn’t Like Open Source; It’s Badmouthing, Stereotyping, Attacking It (to Shift Blame) | TechrightsOct 03 16:23
schestowitz-TROTAOct 03 16:23
schestowitz-TR"Club LF"Oct 03 16:24
schestowitz-TR(LPI)Oct 03 16:24
schestowitz-TRMicrosoft pays, we parrotOct 03 16:24
schestowitz-TRthe L in LPI stands for "Linux"Oct 03 16:24
Techrights-secackOct 03 16:25
Techrights-secthat's how it usually works, once there are sellouts on staff or in decisionOct 03 16:25
Techrights-secmaking positions.  worst of all is the situation where there are actualOct 03 16:25
Techrights-secmicrosofters inside the organization.Oct 03 16:25
schestowitz-TRjust checked, it links to a Microsoft operative inside ZDNetOct 03 16:26
schestowitz-TRLiam TungOct 03 16:26
schestowitz-TRZDNet is a Microsoft/LF hostile forceOct 03 16:26
schestowitz-TRI'm told lwn is too, but it's nowhere as bad as thisOct 03 16:26
Techrights-secLWN was important, like ZDNet too though well over a decade agoOct 03 16:28
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> Wow, the Web site of Spamnil is about as ignored as his videos. "13 views"... what's the point even running the thing?Oct 03 16:30
schestowitz-TRis it wolrth reviving the free software credibility index?Oct 03 16:35
schestowitz-TRbtw, rianne submitted all the papers todayOct 03 16:35
schestowitz-TRI was just reading some recipesOct 03 17:09
schestowitz-TRno JSOct 03 17:09
schestowitz-TR(gemini)Oct 03 17:09
Techrights-sec:)Oct 03 17:10
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> 1990s WWW: we send you description of a page. 2000s: we send you a page linked to other pages and light code to enhance appearance. 2010s: you need some big programs for easier navigation in site. 2020s: you cannot enter our site at all until you download and run our proprietary JS bundles.Oct 03 17:12
Techrights-sec:)Oct 03 17:18
Techrights-sec2020s we send an unauthenticated program to run amok on your system's resourcesOct 03 17:18
schestowitz-TRit is an improvement over sending you some .EXE file to run on WIndowsOct 03 17:19
schestowitz-TRbut a big step back considering what COULD be accomplished with Web standardsOct 03 17:19
schestowitz-TRChrome has already becme an _"OS"_. See what ryan wrote about it this morning.Oct 03 17:21
schestowitz-TRand what mozilla means to Gulag.Oct 03 17:21
Techrights-secChrome (Chromium) as well as FF are no longer browsers but the crappiest, Oct 03 17:22
Techrights-secleakiest, and most insecure and inefficient form of VMOct 03 17:22
Techrights-secFFS skip the browser and just have people fetch a docker or qemu image >:(Oct 03 17:22
Techrights-secThat's the logical next step. Oct 03 17:22
schestowitz-TRthey use terms like sandbox and containerOct 03 17:24
schestowitz-TRcan you imagine using such a contruct to read recipes that I send to rianne if I like them?Oct 03 17:24
schestowitz-TRmaybe an ol' grandma's recipe book too should be a "VM"Oct 03 17:24
schestowitz-TRwith userspace and doas?Oct 03 17:24
schestowitz-TRdoas overOct 03 17:24
schestowitz-TR*doas ovenOct 03 17:24
schestowitz-TRis that compatgible with screen readers? if not, you can make a complaintOct 03 17:25
schestowitz-TRreminds me of activescript/trash/swf files as 'sites'Oct 03 17:28
schestowitz-TRthat was 1990s as wellOct 03 17:28
schestowitz-TRthe web has bad ideasOct 03 17:28
schestowitz-TRsometimes they perish after a whileOct 03 17:28
schestowitz-TRbut this time around it's like activex except it penetrates mobile tooOct 03 17:28
schestowitz-TRthis could doom the webOct 03 17:28
schestowitz-TRmaybe mobile "apps" are built with web/js frameworksOct 03 17:28
schestowitz-TRthis is why a "modern" phone needs so many CPUs cores and has a battery like or old portable televisionsOct 03 17:28
schestowitz-TR*life Oct 03 17:28
Techrights-secThose caused almost as much damage, the difference being was that ActiveX wasOct 03 17:29
Techrights-seconly on optional sites;  Now days the javascripts are the only gatekeepers toOct 03 17:29
Techrights-secessential services.Oct 03 17:29
schestowitz-TRin south korea activex penetrated banks and iirc gov. sitesOct 03 17:29
Techrights-sec11 cores?  Ok, not 11 but way too many : https://cellularnews.com/mobile-phone/best-mobile-processors-top-10-high-performing-smartphones/Oct 03 17:30
Techrights-secNo wonder there is an electricity crisis with all those billions of phonesOct 03 17:30
Techrights-sec(portable supercomputers) needing recharging many times a day.  Oct 03 17:30
Techrights-secThen to add further injury, the wall warts are usually left plugged in whenOct 03 17:30
Techrights-secnot charging by the dickheads using the "phones"Oct 03 17:30
Techrights-secYes, South Korea has borderline terminal stage microsoftianismOct 03 17:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cellularnews.com | Best Mobile Processors: Top 10 High Performing SmartphonesOct 03 17:30
schestowitz-TRbased on stattcounter korea is slow to dopt gnu/linuxOct 03 17:34
schestowitz-TRi last chedked today, hoping to spot a changeOct 03 17:34
schestowitz-TRthe country has a cultural problemOct 03 17:34
schestowitz-TRand so concepts like software freedom fall on deaf earsOct 03 17:34
schestowitz-TRan american tech who worked with koreans explained this to me over a decade agoOct 03 17:34
schestowitz-TRafter he had wrapped his head around thr way they thinkOct 03 17:34
schestowitz-TRseoul mikght be ok for holiday, but that's itOct 03 17:34
schestowitz-TRtrhey immerse their life in the dumbest techOct 03 17:34
schestowitz-TRsimilar to japanese, but there are differencesOct 03 17:34
schestowitz-TRlike robotics vs tech inside your toiletsOct 03 17:34
schestowitz-TRor kpop vs jpopOct 03 17:35
schestowitz-TRthey are not the same Oct 03 17:35
schestowitz-TRbut rather depressing vision of life and existence and beingOct 03 17:35
schestowitz-TRa swede neighbour once told me they're know to be wortking strityluy 5 to 9 but not beyondOct 03 17:35
schestowitz-TRthen there't he ubi thingOct 03 17:35
schestowitz-TRi think germans are like this tooOct 03 17:35
schestowitz-TRbrits just go to the pub with colleagues, but stay extra hours sometimesOct 03 17:35
Techrights-secThe country does not exist independently.  It is a vassal state of M$Oct 03 17:37
Techrights-secIt's been like that since the 1990sOct 03 17:37
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Techrights-secotr: holy shit is it hard to find mention of her book onlineOct 03 17:44
schestowitz-TRare you using baskersoft fartfox?Oct 03 17:44
schestowitz-TR*bakersoft?Oct 03 17:44
schestowitz-TRgoing to post daily links, then take a break (rest)Oct 03 17:50
schestowitz-TRgood news: not so much microsoft spam/googlebombs so far this weekOct 03 17:50
schestowitz-TRgreat news: irc s/n ratio was OK today and rianne got a lot doneOct 03 17:50
schestowitz-TRannoying: seeing some new epo trash, but my expectations from reforms are low anywayOct 03 17:50
schestowitz-TRside note: earlier today i wasnted to tell rianner about the "immune-resistant" variant and then forgot toOct 03 17:50
schestowitz-TRwhen she came back home I suddenly rememberedOct 03 17:50
schestowitz-TRso mystery solvedOct 03 17:50
schestowitz-TRwe like such news because it reaffirms our choicesOct 03 17:50
schestowitz-TRthough it's cruel re eollctive interestOct 03 17:50
Techrights-sec... for some definitions of OK :/Oct 03 17:50
Techrights-secackOct 03 17:50
schestowitz-TRany improvement in S/N (IRC) is good newsOct 03 17:51
schestowitz-TRtechpol is activeOct 03 17:51
schestowitz-TRrant: icewm is on githubOct 03 17:53
schestowitz-TRmaybe predating microsoft, but stillOct 03 17:53
schestowitz-TRphoronix links a LOT to githubOct 03 17:53
schestowitz-TReven when it's just a mirrorOct 03 17:53
schestowitz-TRor an offical independent site has the same news or betterOct 03 17:53
Techrights-secmany remain there on GitHub for a variety of invalid reasonsOct 03 17:53
schestowitz-TRlwn quality did not worsen, it was always like thatOct 03 17:53
schestowitz-TRphoronix, otho, did worsenOct 03 17:53
schestowitz-TRand you can smell the "businessman" from a mile (he prefers the term "enterprenuer")Oct 03 17:53
schestowitz-TRi hope microsoft loses a LOT of money thereOct 03 17:54
schestowitz-TRthe other day a blogger you follow shilled GitHub ActionsOct 03 17:54
schestowitz-TRi didn't link to thatOct 03 17:54
schestowitz-TRhe praised itOct 03 17:54
schestowitz-TRbut they lose money on itOct 03 17:54
schestowitz-TRthey entice peopple with workfload 'freebies'Oct 03 17:54
schestowitz-TRit's not freeOct 03 17:54
schestowitz-TRit's manipulating of the marketOct 03 17:54
schestowitz-TR*tionOct 03 17:54
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Techrights-secbill has shown time and again that he is willing to lose money in an areaOct 03 18:01
Techrights-secindefinitely just to ensure that no one else makes money there eitherOct 03 18:01
Techrights-secThen related to that you have the long list of economically unviable purchasesOct 03 18:01
Techrights-secmake, appartently, only to prevent GNU/Linux and other FOSS systems fromOct 03 18:01
Techrights-secestablishing a foothold in *any* visible market.  Mojang was one example,Oct 03 18:01
Techrights-secthere was starting to be a generation of kids that were finding out howOct 03 18:01
Techrights-secmuch better any of the GNU/Linux distros were and induced absolute panicOct 03 18:01
Techrights-secin Redmond by actually beginning how to learn to use said distros.Oct 03 18:01
Techrights-secThe kids did not care about freedom, yet, but would have been exposed eventuallyOct 03 18:01
Techrights-secWhat they were interested in was the better performance and improved ease of Oct 03 18:01
Techrights-secuse of Minecraft on Linux over Minecraft on windozeOct 03 18:02
Techrights-sechttps://www.engadget.com/2015-03-04-minecraft-notch-mojang-microsoft-purchase.htmlOct 03 18:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Microsoft bought 'Minecraft' after a single tweet by its creator | EngadgetOct 03 18:03
schestowitz-TRit used to be OK until FF started experiumenting with url abbreviationOct 03 18:04
schestowitz-TRand gulag started rewriting urls using JSOct 03 18:05
schestowitz-TRfor tracking purposesOct 03 18:05
schestowitz-TRanyway, lagrange also sucks at copy/paste supportOct 03 18:05
Techrights-secYes they both also hide the real URLOct 03 18:05
schestowitz-TRfwiwOct 03 18:05
schestowitz-TRthe status bar does not help and FF does not intercept and undo this behaviourOct 03 18:06
schestowitz-TRit's like mozilla is funded by gulag or something.......Oct 03 18:06
Techrights-sec:/Oct 03 18:06
schestowitz-TRrestOct 03 18:43
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Techrights-secackOct 03 22:26
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