●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, January 04, 2022 ●● ● Jan 04 [00:09] *leah has quit (connection closed) [00:10] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:20] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:30] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@joseon-rmogvn.g0d7.dtdf.mc4289.IP) has joined #boycottnovell [00:30] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@6pxtd49npuduw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:36] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@dpkfdf6wax63c.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 04 [01:03] schestowitz >>> but the tweet words are about FSFE, that is these photos and links: [01:04] schestowitz >>> [01:04] schestowitz >>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-objectifies-women-valentines-day/ [01:04] schestowitz >>> (Bonnie Mehring) [01:04] schestowitz >>> [01:04] schestowitz >>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-coercing-interns-to-be-photographed/ [01:04] schestowitz >>> (Olga Gkotsopoulou) [01:04] schestowitz >> This is not a mistake. I didn't select the photo, Twitter picks up the [01:04] schestowitz >> photos. The sentence quoted is the first sentence in the corresponding [01:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Operation timed out after 10001 milliseconds with 0 out of 0 bytes received ( status 0 @ https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-objectifies-women-valentines-day/ ) [01:04] schestowitz >> article. [01:04] schestowitz > I understand you didn't tell Twitter to use that photo but nonetheless [01:04] schestowitz > it is not the right photo for that text, if there is any way you can [01:04] schestowitz > change the photo it would be helpful. [01:04] schestowitz > [01:04] schestowitz >> Either way, I think you should write about someone in Germany, FSFE I [01:04] schestowitz >> assume, working to censor mere tweets behind the scenes. Twitter could [01:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Operation timed out after 10000 milliseconds with 0 out of 0 bytes received ( status 0 @ https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-coercing-interns-to-be-photographed/ ) [01:04] schestowitz >> take action without even telling me. [01:04] schestowitz > I already assumed that they have silent censorship, for example, they [01:04] schestowitz > tend to let feel-good causes go viral but if you post something deep and [01:04] schestowitz > meaningful they don't want other users to feel stressed so they bury it. [01:04] schestowitz > [01:04] schestowitz > I actually warned the world about Twitter and Facebook in my comments at [01:04] schestowitz > the UN forum, did you see the video? [01:04] schestowitz > [01:04] schestowitz > https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/free_comms/ [01:04] schestowitz > [01:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.fosdem.org | FOSDEM 2021 - Towards free, private and secure communications [01:04] schestowitz >> I've asked Twitter to allow me to challenge this. [01:04] schestowitz > Having an account with Twitter, Facebook or Google only gives them [01:04] schestowitz > credibility [01:04] schestowitz > [01:04] schestowitz > When you put effort into building a following on Twitter it is like [01:04] schestowitz > fixing a house that you are renting. As a tenant, you don't get to keep [01:04] schestowitz > the benefits of the work you do there. [01:04] schestowitz That is a great analogy. [01:04] schestowitz Years ago I stopped putting any efforts into such sites. [01:04] schestowitz Whatever exists, if it requires no additional efforts, might stay. [01:04] schestowitz >>> but the tweet words are about FSFE, that is these photos and links: [01:04] schestowitz >>> [01:04] schestowitz >>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-objectifies-women-valentines-day/ [01:04] schestowitz >>> (Bonnie Mehring) [01:04] schestowitz >>> [01:05] schestowitz >>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-coercing-interns-to-be-photographed/ [01:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.eu | Matthias Kirschner & FSFE: Objectifying women for Valentines Day [01:05] schestowitz >>> (Olga Gkotsopoulou) [01:05] schestowitz >> This is not a mistake. I didn't select the photo, Twitter picks up the [01:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.eu | Matthias Kirschner & FSFE: Coercing interns to be photographed [01:05] schestowitz >> photos. The sentence quoted is the first sentence in the corresponding [01:05] schestowitz >> article. [01:05] schestowitz > I understand you didn't tell Twitter to use that photo but nonetheless [01:05] schestowitz > it is not the right photo for that text, if there is any way you can [01:05] schestowitz > change the photo it would be helpful. [01:05] schestowitz > [01:05] schestowitz >> Either way, I think you should write about someone in Germany, FSFE I [01:05] schestowitz >> assume, working to censor mere tweets behind the scenes. Twitter could [01:05] schestowitz >> take action without even telling me. [01:05] schestowitz > I already assumed that they have silent censorship, for example, they [01:05] schestowitz > tend to let feel-good causes go viral but if you post something deep and [01:05] schestowitz > meaningful they don't want other users to feel stressed so they bury it. [01:05] schestowitz > [01:05] schestowitz > I actually warned the world about Twitter and Facebook in my comments at [01:05] schestowitz > the UN forum, did you see the video? [01:05] schestowitz > [01:05] schestowitz > https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/free_comms/ [01:05] schestowitz > [01:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.fosdem.org | FOSDEM 2021 - Towards free, private and secure communications [01:05] schestowitz >> I've asked Twitter to allow me to challenge this. [01:05] schestowitz > Having an account with Twitter, Facebook or Google only gives them [01:05] schestowitz > credibility [01:05] schestowitz > [01:05] schestowitz > When you put effort into building a following on Twitter it is like [01:05] schestowitz > fixing a house that you are renting. As a tenant, you don't get to keep [01:05] schestowitz > the benefits of the work you do there. [01:05] schestowitz That is a great analogy. [01:05] schestowitz Years ago I stopped putting any efforts into such sites. [01:05] schestowitz Whatever exists, if it requires no additional efforts, might stay. 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[08:42] *Now talking on #boycottnovell [08:42] *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social [08:42] *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021 [08:42] *liberty_box (~liberty@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:42] *buzzert (~buzzert@zmgw33tt22mkn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:42] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #boycottnovell [08:42] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +a #boycottnovell MinceR [08:42] *asusbox (~rianne@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:42] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@u3797vt49iaxc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:42] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:42] *schestowitz (~roy@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:42] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #boycottnovell schestowitz [08:43] *spazzz (~spazz@urifce6zxwtdi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:43] *Seaduck- (~seaduck@ys9kag65kxsiu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:43] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@suig26pxj59pi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:43] *TechrightsBN (~b0t@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:43] TechrightsBN Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75 [08:43] *activelow (~activelow@vbku88433t7ju.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:47] *qa2 (~sid145515@frp6gv52kp9fi.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [08:49] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Jan 04 [09:04] *viera (~viera@njsz8uc49vydg.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [09:10] schestowitz-TR I think that the general direction isn't trying to fix or stay with IBM but to sh [09:10] schestowitz-TR ift away from that thing, one bit at a time [09:11] Techrights-sec whose general direction? [09:17] Techrights-sec more legible: [09:17] Techrights-sec rpms mess things up, grub2 is IMO unreliable, yet these are important updates [09:17] Techrights-sec $ yum check-updates | sed -e '0,/^$/d' | wc -l [09:18] schestowitz-TR iirc, you got the whole thing running on a laptop with devuan [09:18] Techrights-sec yes a few years ago (2018 iirc) those are all gone but I do the daily backup stil [09:18] Techrights-sec l [09:18] schestowitz-TR very good, thank you. I was about to back up IRC [09:21] Techrights-sec It'd probably take a day or two but I could get it running on a laptop again [09:21] Techrights-sec however the way is slow, clumsy, and wrong due to lack of familiarity with LXC [09:21] Techrights-sec there are also some very important security changes needed such as [09:21] Techrights-sec not running HTTPd as a login account [09:22] Techrights-sec If that much work / refactoring is to be done, it would be about the same or [09:22] Techrights-sec less work to move to a static site generator at the same time [09:42] schestowitz-TR ack [09:42] schestowitz-TR I have two question I wished to ask you [09:42] schestowitz-TR 1) OSI sent a nice message to me. Can we reconcile? [09:42] schestowitz-TR 2) should I be posting again in Twitter AT ALL? [09:43] Techrights-sec If that much work / refactoring is to be done, it would be about the same or [09:43] Techrights-sec less work to move to a static site generator at the same time [09:43] Techrights-sec 1) reconilliation would require substantial reform on their part [09:43] Techrights-sec given the direction they have chosen to head recently, thatwill be challenging [09:43] Techrights-sec at best. [09:43] Techrights-sec 2) no, but it would be important to fight that mark which certainly accompanied [09:43] Techrights-sec the ban, ... BUT ... opponents do exploit silence in twitter so that abuse [09:43] Techrights-sec has to be addressed in some way, but prefereably not in twitter itself [09:44] Techrights-sec one reason, of many, to avoid twitter is that M$ and the others with armies of [09:44] Techrights-sec astroturfers can effectively pull a DoS by tangling you up in admnistrivia [09:44] Techrights-sec or bans, eventually the algorithm will kick in and there will be real difficulty [09:44] Techrights-sec especially if the reasons for the bans are not contested, it's a pain and they [09:44] Techrights-sec mean it to be a pain, that way twitter and those backed by the interests backing [09:44] Techrights-sec twitter (i.e. the current OSI board companies) can speak unopposed [09:44] Techrights-sec renting is a very good analogy, but in the case of a lot of computing [09:44] Techrights-sec a more accurate analogy would be sharecropping [09:46] schestowitz-TR thanks for these answers. I could barely see the text at first because of the sun [09:46] schestowitz-TR about to start new epo series [09:48] Techrights-sec ack [09:51] Techrights-sec I wonder what could be done to get national news in EU countries to [09:51] Techrights-sec pick up on the EPO? A major barrier to coverage is the inability to compress [09:51] Techrights-sec it to soundbites and the general deference IT (bullshit) has been given and [09:51] Techrights-sec how much it is controlled by bill's fifth columnists. [09:52] schestowitz-TR in 2021 you wrote a short page about the situation, and it was read thousands of times [09:52] schestowitz-TR I think such pages can help, esp. if composed for outsiders (to the system) [09:54] Techrights-sec Link? [09:54] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/EPO_in_2021 [09:54] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO in 2021 - Techrights [09:56] schestowitz-TR see drafts, just added one [09:56] schestowitz-TR typos very very likely [09:59] Techrights-sec yes, such pages can help [09:59] Techrights-sec one difficulty is that all regions and countries are engaged in races to the [09:59] Techrights-sec bottom and people are subjected to the psychological equivalent of a buffer [09:59] Techrights-sec overflow due to too many outrages and unaddressed scandals to manage. [09:59] Techrights-sec social control media makes the problem worse by having each week a [09:59] Techrights-sec tempest in a teapot for people to becoe appoplectic about for a few hours [09:59] Techrights-sec or days before moving on to the next contrived outrage, while the real [09:59] Techrights-sec scandalous news lies ignored completely by design [09:59] schestowitz-TR exactly!! ● Jan 04 [10:10] schestowitz-TR sorry, was away for a bit in kitchen chat [10:10] schestowitz-TR talked to rianne about what we had discussed, she [10:10] schestowitz-TR will also bring tux machines up to date shortly [10:10] schestowitz-TR re EPO, I think we need toi rethink the publicstion modality [10:10] Techrights-sec Thus it is very important to publish news from the staff perspective while [10:10] Techrights-sec any staff remain. [10:10] Techrights-sec ^ at the EPO. Already the patent examiners seem to have been culled many times [10:10] Techrights-sec and through many means. [10:14] schestowitz-TR tossing long videos online is not the way [10:14] schestowitz-TR spamnil abuses me a lot [10:14] schestowitz-TR with his single-digit (view) crapola [10:14] schestowitz-TR there was a good number of sites that did, in the past, experiment with alternati [10:14] schestowitz-TR ve publication methods [10:14] schestowitz-TR rianne says confronting in twitter is still necessary [10:14] schestowitz-TR the temptation to lose patience for it all is there [10:15] Techrights-sec yes [10:15] Techrights-sec It is telling that LF flushes money down the toilet on his antics. [10:15] Techrights-sec that is part of their game, as mentioned before. Those at the top political [10:15] Techrights-sec level all play many games concurrently. One of them is that the first to [10:15] Techrights-sec lost composure is out. Unfortunately we are in a period of time when it has [10:15] Techrights-sec become acceptable to engage in lies and other unacceptable behavior in order [10:15] Techrights-sec to elicit emotional responses and thus manipulate opponents out of contention. [10:19] Techrights-sec Why can't FSFE and FFII pick up some of the load? sw patents are a direct [10:19] Techrights-sec threat to both groups' interests. Have they become dining clubs instead? [10:20] schestowitz-TR ack [10:20] schestowitz-TR not much is (in practice) left of ffii excpe my mate ben [10:20] schestowitz-TR pieter died, too [10:20] Techrights-sec yes that was a sore blow but institutions can recover if designed well [10:20] Techrights-sec However, regardless of design, the stronger the person running things the [10:20] Techrights-sec more of a vacuum they leave when gone. [10:20] Techrights-sec I saw that as a student and decided that leaders should be judged by how [10:20] *leah has quit (connection closed) [10:20] Techrights-sec well things run during the two or three years after their departure. [10:20] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:20] schestowitz-TR I find this conversation very motivational and constructive, so bear with me... [10:21] Techrights-sec np [10:22] schestowitz-TR processing and internalising a number of things at once, lost my marbles a bit after irc network reboot and all the rest [10:23] schestowitz-TR btw, andy is very eager to do collabs with us [10:23] Techrights-sec excellent! That is very good news. [10:24] schestowitz-TR whereasd the person who taught me ipfs vanished so suddently along with his web site and email address. I do not even know how to contact him [10:25] *spazzz is now known as spazz [10:25] Techrights-sec His series has been great and each post [10:25] Techrights-sec has hit very important topics, in an approachable manner. [10:25] Techrights-sec :/ that leaves a question about what to do about IPFS support in the longer term [10:26] *psydroid4 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:28] schestowitz-TR I was contacted by Twitter and then by email by some "web3" company [10:28] schestowitz-TR which says it can help us I am sceptical, but did not commit to anything [10:29] Techrights-sec I don't know enough about either IPFS or the company to make an assessment [10:29] Techrights-sec Apologies but I will defer IPFS questions to others. I seem to be missing [10:29] Techrights-sec some core concept regarding IFPS [10:31] schestowitz-TR the ts;dr version [10:31] schestowitz-TR it is p2p [10:31] schestowitz-TR but hashes or addresses are in circulation among peeers so no single point of fai [10:31] schestowitz-TR lure like TPB [10:31] Techrights-sec yes, the P2P I see, the details elude me however and those are necessary for [10:31] Techrights-sec dealing with IPFS in practice. [10:35] schestowitz-TR lots and lots od dht packets, about as useful as crypto [sic] cranks [10:39] Techrights-sec cryptcurrency? [10:39] Techrights-sec cryptocurrency == waste of electricity / CO2 [10:40] SomeH4x0r agreed [10:41] SomeH4x0r my opinion is that Bitcoin is a failed experiment on electronic cash, which was turned into evil thing by big entities [10:41] SomeH4x0r and it exists because unaware individuals who think it is still "decentralized" [10:42] SomeH4x0r though really idk why do people pay for NFT [10:42] schestowitz-TR that just lets us satirise the whole mentality [10:44] Techrights-sec bitcoin was a very successful experiment, but it *ended* completely in 2009 [10:44] Techrights-sec what's left well that's not the experiment but simply a crowd sifting through [10:44] Techrights-sec lab trash out on the curb. [10:52] Techrights-sec bitcoin and other cryptocurrency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogs [10:52] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Milk caps (game) - Wikipedia [10:52] schestowitz-TR lol, I used to collect those [10:59] Techrights-sec https://firstwefeast.com/drink/2016/01/surprising-history-of-pogs-juice-company [10:59] Techrights-sec Back to EPO, I would suspect that the end game they have planned is [10:59] Techrights-sec financialization. That would enable them to fire the staff and keep a handful [10:59] Techrights-sec of beancounters around, with whom they share ideals and goals. 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Very best wishes for 2022! [23:39] schestowitz > [23:39] schestowitz > For me, 2021 ended and 2022 began with a 10 part series published on [23:39] schestowitz > techrights.org, a popular site for software freedom issues. [23:40] schestowitz > It continues the theme of living a "healthy digital life" - as much as [23:40] schestowitz > we can. [23:40] schestowitz > [23:40] schestowitz > Starting ere you can probably find links to all the parts. [23:40] schestowitz > [23:40] schestowitz > https://techrights.org/2022/01/03/article-on-digital-rights-in-2021-part-10/ [23:40] schestowitz > [23:40] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | My Year as a Digital Vegan Part X Happy New Year: Thoughts for 2022 and Beyond | Techrights [23:40] schestowitz > I hope _you_ are keeping very well, still happy and thriving [23:40] schestowitz > and not letting technology drive you too crazy. [23:40] schestowitz Re: Article: 2021 Review. My year as a Digital Vegan [23:56] schestowitz RMS: [23:56] schestowitz >> Packaging a program in distros is crucial for the community because it [23:56] schestowitz >> leads to various teams that independently work on the program, and [23:56] schestowitz >> thus have a chance to make sure it is honest. This is why free [23:56] schestowitz >> software tends not to be malware. [23:56] schestowitz > This does not happen in practice but it could happen. [23:56] schestowitz > [23:56] schestowitz > In Debian I've observed that people put more scrutiny on each other than [23:56] schestowitz > on the code. [23:56] schestowitz > [23:56] schestowitz > The words used in their most recent mob outbreak can be seen as a [23:56] schestowitz > confession that decisions are made by secret tribunals and secret [23:56] schestowitz > (fictional) evidence. [23:56] schestowitz > [23:56] schestowitz > The mentality behind that needs careful analysis: they are saying "trust [23:57] schestowitz > us because we are a distribution". Yet the moment we let our guard down [23:57] schestowitz > and give anybody absolute trust, they will change the rules. It is [23:57] schestowitz > human nature and it happens in every domain. [23:57] schestowitz > [23:57] schestowitz > Several character attack emails, including the anti-Appelbaum mob (2016) [23:57] schestowitz > and anti-RMS mob at Easter 2021, were linked to a Pentagon employee, [23:57] schestowitz > Paul Tagliamonte. He was pictured with the chairman of the joint [23:57] schestowitz > chiefs. We are asked to trust all the words of these mobs because "it [23:57] schestowitz > is Debian". In Afghanistan, when they made a drone strike on a guy [23:57] schestowitz > transporting water bottles, the Pentagon also asked us to trust them, [23:57] schestowitz > their anonymous experts had confirmed he was a suicide bomber. [23:57] schestowitz > [23:57] schestowitz > These people and their goals appear to be intent upon preventing [23:57] schestowitz > distributions from fully achieving their potential as independent and [23:57] schestowitz > trustworthy reviewers of code. Above all else, they are creating a cult [23:57] schestowitz > around their name. The code, even if it is better than malware, is [23:57] schestowitz > still second to their aggressive (anti-)social agendas. [23:57] schestowitz > [23:57] schestowitz >> You may be right that it doesn't particularly help on other dimensions, [23:57] schestowitz >> but this one is a must. [23:57] schestowitz >> [23:57] schestowitz >> Also, we in our community use distros of GNU/Linux, so if we sponsor or promote [23:57] schestowitz >> a program (game or not) we will want it to be packaged for our distros.