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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Emilinehope/status/1312483321478221831Oct 04 01:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Emilinehope: I grew up on caught fish and game, the community benefited from overnight fishing expeditions, means I can never un… https://t.co/guF2m43f6bOct 04 01:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Emilinehope: I grew up on caught fish and game, the community benefited from overnight fishing expeditions, means I can never un… https://t.co/guF2m43f6bOct 04 01:03
schestowitz"I grew up on caught fish and game, the community benefited from overnight fishing expeditions, means I can never understand why folk who live in organic environments eat crap."Oct 04 01:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/0xFreak71/status/1312481431013081089Oct 04 01:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@0xFreak71: @schestowitz terrible.. but worst is that you need to learn new keys... no, you dont, and stop show thinks like thi… https://t.co/jApWuhYGdeOct 04 01:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@0xFreak71: @schestowitz terrible.. but worst is that you need to learn new keys... no, you dont, and stop show thinks like thi… https://t.co/jApWuhYGdeOct 04 01:03
schestowitz"terrible.. but worst is that you need to learn new keys... no, you dont, and stop show thinks like this. show them how to use their own keys to every app.. I use the same keys from 1988 on BRIEF, TCSH, TMUX, URXVT, JED, JOE, NANO (paritally), KATE (partially), xfce4-terminal, etc"Oct 04 01:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BroknSuffragium/status/1312469482057551872Oct 04 01:03
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BroknSuffragium: @schestowitz 🤣Oct 04 01:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/54PearlsGirl/status/1312464187520507904Oct 04 01:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@54PearlsGirl: After "committing crimes against humanity:" Linked to the deaths of over 200K & trying to kill more, propping-up mu… https://t.co/w30DwXNCv0Oct 04 01:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@54PearlsGirl: After "committing crimes against humanity:" Linked to the deaths of over 200K & trying to kill more, propping-up mu… https://t.co/w30DwXNCv0Oct 04 01:04
schestowitz"Oct 04 01:04
schestowitzAfter "committing crimes against humanity:" Linked to the deaths of over 200K & trying to kill more, propping-up murderous dictators for cash, mocking Joe's mask-wearing & Hilary's illness, inciting his race soldiers to attack us, finally, "THE HUNTER GOT CAPTURED BY THE GAME"Oct 04 01:04
schestowitzDouble exclamation markOct 04 01:04
schestowitz"Oct 04 01:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/entubao/status/1312417197424283648Oct 04 01:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@entubao: @schestowitz The Trump vaccineOct 04 01:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/seafarer124/status/1312333873683066881Oct 04 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@seafarer124: @schestowitz Why do we always see inquiries, etc with these people. Why not charge them and find out the result in a court of law.Oct 04 01:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JulieWebgirl/status/1312309694732537859Oct 04 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@JulieWebgirl: Suspend? For how long? Till he dies or like if he doesn't, till the election? What if Trump tweets that he wishes h… https://t.co/WrdWB3qk1yOct 04 01:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@JulieWebgirl: Suspend? For how long? Till he dies or like if he doesn't, till the election? What if Trump tweets that he wishes h… https://t.co/WrdWB3qk1yOct 04 01:06
schestowitz"Suspend? For how long? Till he dies or like if he doesn't, till the election? What if Trump tweets that he wishes he was dead?"Oct 04 01:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JulieWebgirl/status/1312309067180728320Oct 04 01:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@JulieWebgirl: What if we pray that he dies? Just curious. https://t.co/oB8hW9zlxbOct 04 01:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: ● NEWS ● #Vice #Twitter ☞ Twitter Says You Cannot Tweet That You Hope Trump Dies From COVID https://t.co/54yu9s6UvgOct 04 01:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/GloryholeHotel/status/1312261690931769345Oct 04 01:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@GloryholeHotel: @schestowitz Figures are fabrication. It's a plandemic scam.Oct 04 01:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RexWinters420/status/1312140568605065217Oct 04 01:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@RexWinters420: @schestowitz @kittyhundal Interesting.... º¿ºOct 04 01:06
schestowitzOct 04 01:15
schestowitz>>>>> Thanks.  The relevant row from that table needs to be included in the TROct 04 01:15
schestowitz>>>>> post.  There are several thousand to choose from, however, and no dateOct 04 01:15
schestowitz>>>>> or title in the image.  Which row should be copied into the TR post?Oct 04 01:15
schestowitz>>>> I have just amended the post to include the full reference (sans pageOct 04 01:15
schestowitz>>>> numbers, unknown to me unless I have direct access to what's left ofOct 04 01:15
schestowitz>>>> archives).Oct 04 01:15
schestowitz>>>>Oct 04 01:15
schestowitz>>>>Oct 04 01:15
schestowitz>>> Thanks.  It is very important that others be able to easily verify theOct 04 01:15
schestowitz>>> sources.  If for no other reason than that they may start diggingOct 04 01:15
schestowitz>>> themselves and find more material.Oct 04 01:15
schestowitz>> Can we somehow dig up more article about that incident? Google did notOct 04 01:15
schestowitz>> help... is there a Web site for archives? Google Books maybe?Oct 04 01:15
schestowitz> If it was covered in a major newspaper, then it should still be at aOct 04 01:15
schestowitz> library either in an article database or, at worst, on microfiche.  TheOct 04 01:15
schestowitz> trick would be finding ones that are online at all even if behind aOct 04 01:15
schestowitz> paywall or subscription.Oct 04 01:15
schestowitz> Oct 04 01:15
schestowitz> I don't have direct access.  I'll check anyway.Oct 04 01:15
schestowitzI suppose the one we now have is the exclusive/main one, based on the Nixon tapes.Oct 04 01:15
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schestowitz> Not that I didn't like the original version. I liked a lot of the newOct 04 05:05
schestowitz> stuff today.Oct 04 05:05
schestowitz> Oct 04 05:05
schestowitz> (Free Software = Microsoft Github, Microsoft Github != Free Software)Oct 04 05:05
schestowitz> Oct 04 05:05
schestowitz> Free Software = ?Oct 04 05:05
schestowitzMakes sense... too.Oct 04 05:05
schestowitz> Oh, you're talking about Sarah Mei.Oct 04 05:07
schestowitz> Oct 04 05:07
schestowitz> What does she have to do with Salesforce?Oct 04 05:07
schestowitz> Oct 04 05:07
schestowitz> Do you think that she does this nasty stuff (which she started someOct 04 05:07
schestowitz> years before) as an agent of Salesforce?Oct 04 05:07
schestowitzMany people did blame this on Salesforce at the time.Oct 04 05:07
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156567310894530560?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156567310894530560:0:0:0:1156575524408713216Oct 04 05:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | China Blocks Wikimedia From WIPO... Because There's A Tai... | MindsOct 04 05:45
schestowitz"why not. taiwan is defector region. why shouldn't country defend itself by all means possible. if this country does not attack other countries"Oct 04 05:45
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156574807499067392?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156574807499067392:0:0:0:1156578325016797184Oct 04 05:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | 'Recognize What Is at Stake,' Progressives Warn Amid Repo... | MindsOct 04 05:45
schestowitz"This is insane , a fundamental Christian , and cult member? Calls woman “hand maidens” wtf.  The US is turning into a dystopia. "Oct 04 05:45
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156735739963723776?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156735739963723776:0:0:0:1156786119846555648Oct 04 05:45
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Should You Run Arch Linux on Your Servers? | MindsOct 04 05:45
schestowitz"Yes you should Oct 04 05:45
schestowitzBut why not Debian instead?Oct 04 05:45
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156911940806803456?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156911940806803456:0:0:0:1156918903324479488Oct 04 05:46
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | ● NEWS ● #NPR #Politics ☞ Nearly 500 National Security Ex... | MindsOct 04 05:46
schestowitz"Biden ROCKS!!!!  LOL!"Oct 04 05:46
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156557002622296064?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156557002622296064:0:0:0:1156560850923978752Oct 04 05:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Russia records highest daily increase in COVID-19 cases i... | MindsOct 04 05:47
schestowitz"yeah. second wave coming. evrywhere"Oct 04 05:47
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156494063034728448?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156494063034728448:0:0:0:1156503896794521600Oct 04 05:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | ● NEWS ● #RollingStone #Environment ☞ Why the 6 Topics fo... | MindsOct 04 05:47
schestowitz"Climate has always changed and will do so no matter how much you pay politicians. What are you a Dr of? You missed a few classes."Oct 04 05:47
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156494240346656768?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156494240346656768:0:0:0:1156503384950865920Oct 04 05:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Climate Disasters Are Leaving Families With Nowhere to Go | MindsOct 04 05:47
schestowitz"Democrat created disasters. "Oct 04 05:47
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156495948802584576?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156495948802584576:0:0:0:1156501390562066432Oct 04 05:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Google is banning election ads after polls close on Novem... | MindsOct 04 05:47
schestowitz"Oh my so big of them"Oct 04 05:47
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156166611093540864?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156166611093540864:0:0:0:1156167441779642368Oct 04 05:48
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | With interest rates near zero (for savers) we're getting ... | MindsOct 04 05:48
schestowitz"nope. usual crisis of capitalism. only before usa was the beneficiary of the system. now there is nowhere to go anymore to save american economy this time. same shit happen in germany before and after ww1"Oct 04 05:48
schestowitzHistory goes in cyclesOct 04 05:48
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156377412673634304?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156377412673634304:0:0:0:1156379915408273408Oct 04 05:48
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | To makes matters worse, #mozilla STILL develops its spyin... | MindsOct 04 05:48
schestowitz"You really think that mozilla is a little evil like big brother google?"Oct 04 05:48
schestowitzThere are many better actors than today's MozillaOct 04 05:48
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156384174048468992?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156384174048468992:0:0:0:1156413027785408512Oct 04 05:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | On Sunday there will be a millionth death linked to #covi... | MindsOct 04 05:49
schestowitz"Worldwide right"Oct 04 05:49
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156449820513853440?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156449820513853440:0:0:0:1156451441203073024Oct 04 05:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | I'm starting to get sick and tired of billionaires' shill... | MindsOct 04 05:49
schestowitz"bet they don't give a daamn."Oct 04 05:49
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1156497392201003008?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1156497392201003008:0:0:0:1156498480350261248Oct 04 05:49
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Facebook’s Power This Election | MindsOct 04 05:49
schestowitz"I voted in person."Oct 04 05:49
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155572639860293632?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155572639860293632:0:0:0:1155575215523659776Oct 04 05:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Will We Ever Get Rid of the Electoral College? | MindsOct 04 05:50
schestowitz"I really hope so, it was only invented because people couldn’t afford to travel long distances to vote. That has changed now"Oct 04 05:50
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155572521058553856?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155572521058553856:0:0:0:1155575610055229440Oct 04 05:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Mayors of 12 Major Global Cities Home to 36 Million Peopl... | MindsOct 04 05:50
schestowitz"Hell yes this is great news"Oct 04 05:50
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155570265769541632?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155570265769541632:0:0:0:1155575974055149568Oct 04 05:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Warning: GOP Can Appoint a Supreme Court Justice in Time ... | MindsOct 04 05:50
schestowitz"Well that sucks "Oct 04 05:50
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155831257201463296?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155831257201463296:0:0:0:1155858324517478400Oct 04 05:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Rightsholders Ask Europe for Broad "Know Your Customer" C... | MindsOct 04 05:50
schestowitz"Good luckOct 04 05:50
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155881878803566592?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155881878803566592:0:0:0:1155886763123179520Oct 04 05:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Forget 'Vote By Mail'—To Safeguard the Election, Put on Y... | MindsOct 04 05:51
schestowitz"When does the corruption end ?"Oct 04 05:51
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155879478643294208?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155879478643294208:0:0:0:1155887188140445696Oct 04 05:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | People of Praise: Former Member of Group Tied to SCOTUS F... | MindsOct 04 05:51
schestowitz"Ha ha I have been saying this for years , imagine that logic does exists."Oct 04 05:51
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155892728269275136?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155892728269275136:0:0:0:1155898012481441792Oct 04 05:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | The Right’s Long War On Howard Zinn Reaches The White House | MindsOct 04 05:52
schestowitz"Howard Zinn is an amazing author and tells the truth . I teach my kids about real history and what the United States is really about, its never been about freedom since the 1940's. Its about power and control , The US Captialists was very afraid of "Communism" the one reason why we invaded Veitnam. The reason why we wanted to invade China. Please read his books they are "Eye opening", also read American Holocaust and find out the Oct 04 05:52
schestowitztruth the discovery of the "Americas".  We need more books written like this an teach our children  so we don't repeat history , over and over again."Oct 04 05:52
schestowitzAmerica started eugenics, not Germany http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/Oct 04 05:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBM’s Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | TechrightsOct 04 05:52
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155889005903335424?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155889005903335424:0:0:0:1155898833845473280Oct 04 05:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Qt Visual Studio Tools 2.6 Released | MindsOct 04 05:53
schestowitz"i though KDE foundation did fork Qt ? https://kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php nevermind it was a license agreement , if free version isnt' free anymore than KDE can use BSD."Oct 04 05:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-kde.org | KDE Free Qt Foundation - KDE.orgOct 04 05:53
schestowitzI know there were planning to invoke a fallback, but want to see if Qt reduces the incentive to go ahead with itOct 04 05:53
schestowitzI know they were planning to invoke a fallback, but want to see if Qt reduces the incentive to go ahead with itOct 04 05:53
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155904983341060096?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155904983341060096:0:0:0:1155939539874406400Oct 04 05:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Front-Runner to Replace RBG Is Anti-Abortion Member of Ca... | MindsOct 04 05:54
schestowitz"Way too bias"Oct 04 05:54
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155423676019757056?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155423676019757056:0:0:0:1155437595359870976Oct 04 05:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter | MindsOct 04 05:54
schestowitz"usa is democracy. it's not dictatorship. maybe only dictatorship of capital. but ... only to some extend"Oct 04 05:54
schestowitzUS was never a democracy, but it has votingOct 04 05:54
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155515728486129664?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155515728486129664:0:0:0:1155516401705709568Oct 04 05:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | #MoscowMitch #McConnell Defends His Turf https://www.then... | MindsOct 04 05:55
schestowitz"moscow? please.. stop that. that even sound ridiculous for russian"Oct 04 05:55
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155518527601274880?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155518527601274880:0:0:0:1155518843931254784Oct 04 05:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | With RBG Gone and Fascism at the Gates, Mainers Know Susa... | MindsOct 04 05:55
schestowitz"And remember that Collins is a powerful Illuminati bloodline. John Todd was actually Lance Collins. Look up his talks exposing the Illuminati"Oct 04 05:55
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155569660444889088?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155569660444889088:0:0:0:1155571520763187200Oct 04 05:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Bribes and state secrets Former police officer sentenced ... | MindsOct 04 05:55
schestowitz"https://krk.sledcom.ru/news/item/1501455/"Oct 04 05:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-krk.sledcom.ru | В Республике Хакасия бывший сотрудник полиции признан виновным в получении взятки и разглашении государственной тайны - Следственного комитета Российской Федерации по Красноярскому краю и Республике ХакасияOct 04 05:55
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155134733693575168?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155134733693575168:0:0:0:1155136082218795008Oct 04 05:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | QAnon linked to at least 44 election candidates in 2020—a... | MindsOct 04 05:56
schestowitz"which will lead to ressurection of pro-nationalist elite. runned by kennedy family or someone along those lines"Oct 04 05:56
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155143411201040384?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155143411201040384:0:0:0:1155146907350884352Oct 04 05:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | AOC Urges Democrats to Prevent Trump From Filling Ginsbur... | MindsOct 04 05:56
schestowitz"why?"Oct 04 05:56
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155205894299774976?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155205894299774976:0:0:0:1155243461762150400Oct 04 05:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Gnome OS Isn't Real, It Can't Hurt You | MindsOct 04 05:56
schestowitz"lol , no gnome isn't an OS , its a Windows Manager"Oct 04 05:56
schestowitzRight, but it can be tested on some base systemOct 04 05:56
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155279165699452928?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155279165699452928:0:0:0:1155288618257776640Oct 04 05:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | DISCO agent drugs 14-yr-old girl with 200ml tramadol, rap... | MindsOct 04 05:56
schestowitz"and why is this big news?"Oct 04 05:56
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155278939133739008?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155278939133739008:0:0:0:1155421082783481856Oct 04 05:57
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Inside Poland’s 'LGBT-free zones' | MindsOct 04 05:57
schestowitz"They are not anty gay, they are anty comunism"Oct 04 05:57
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1154641567748935680?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1154641567748935680:0:0:0:1154646237952372736Oct 04 05:57
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | You don't have to be a Democrat to see the wildfires for ... | MindsOct 04 05:57
schestowitz"they are caused by irresponsible humans. mostly. 90% of them."Oct 04 05:57
schestowitzSource?Oct 04 05:57
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1154644553434877952?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1154644553434877952:0:0:0:1154650436866695168Oct 04 05:57
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Europe’s Failed Migration Policy Caused Greece’s Latest R... | MindsOct 04 05:58
schestowitz"it's not failed. it's pretty successful. it's just it never intend benefit the people. just as anything modern capitalism does"Oct 04 05:58
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1154799432837058560?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1154799432837058560:0:0:0:1154805621171421184Oct 04 05:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | And makes for a much more authentic Halloween. | MindsOct 04 05:58
schestowitz"Oct 04 05:58
schestowitzlocal burrowed all natural sceletons is even more better. Oct 04 05:58
schestowitzvisit your local cementaryOct 04 05:58
schestowitz"Oct 04 05:58
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1155131594593427456?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1155131594593427456:0:0:0:1155132659409248256Oct 04 05:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Republicans on climate change. | MindsOct 04 05:58
schestowitz"climate change is not a big deal anyway.'Oct 04 05:58
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1153270311156461568?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1153270311156461568:1153446852004937728:1154192361286295552:0:1154195678672191488Oct 04 05:58
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Copyright Companies Want Memes That Are Legal In The EU B... | MindsOct 04 05:59
schestowitz"Sec 18 of the EU copyright law"Oct 04 05:59
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1154077306748358656?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1154077306748358656:0:0:0:1154277495111110656Oct 04 05:59
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Millions of Children Go Hungry as Mitch McConnell Blocks ... | MindsOct 04 05:59
schestowitz"moscow mitch"Oct 04 05:59
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1154328911439679488?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1154328911439679488:0:0:0:1154332415167078400Oct 04 05:59
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | 'We Can, and Must, Fight': Death of RBG Sparks Senate Sho... | MindsOct 04 05:59
schestowitz"It sure is interesting how the Nazi party and the Liberal Socialists have merged together and still deny it is true. A Nazi is a Nazi no matter what you change your name to."Oct 04 05:59
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1154332057637441536?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1154332057637441536:0:0:0:1154467504593084416Oct 04 05:59
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.minds.com | Why Do Americans Give Away So Much Control to Corporations? | MindsOct 04 05:59
schestowitz"Oct 04 05:59
schestowitzIs giving power to government any better?Oct 04 06:00
schestowitz100% of the people who say BS such as "human needs before corporate greed" don't care about government greed, which has always been the worst form of oppression.Oct 04 06:00
schestowitzSome corporations have enormous influence on government - or would like to have such power - or just excert government-like power.Oct 04 06:00
schestowitzRemoving power from corporations and moving it to government is definitely a bad idea.Oct 04 06:00
schestowitzHow about limiting ANY form of organization from holding power (such as censorship) over people?Oct 04 06:00
schestowitz'Oct 04 06:00
schestowitzThis is a false dichotomy in a senseOct 04 06:00
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schestowitz"No it is not."Oct 04 06:00
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schestowitz"Good"Oct 04 06:00
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schestowitz"Yeah right."Oct 04 06:01
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schestowitz>> RMS and Bruce Perens are talking again. I heard about it earlier today.Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> I'm really not sure this is a good thing. I admire the way Perens hasOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> called out the corruption in Open Source, and the way he implies (in hisOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> 1999 resignation letter) that he was suckered into it, but Perens alwaysOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> goes back to the scene of the crime.Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> Looking at the stuff that Perens said and did in the Debian emails wasOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> revealing-- he spent years badmouthing rms and going back and forth,Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> almost (not quite) like Lunduke.Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> A lot of people have done this, but the this fickle pro/anti-rms cultureOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> emanates from OSI, and before OSI existed it emanated from PerensOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> himself in the Debian lists. We should, I suppose, be grateful thatOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> Perens always "comes back" eventually, but he always leaves again andOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> goes back to Open Source.Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> I don't think he has any credibility left in this regard. I would evenOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> understand if someone made the same argument against me running a freeOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> software organisation along similar lines. So I would just put someoneOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> like Tom in charge instead. Someone more consistent. Though I've spentOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> most of the past 13 years or so calling out Open Source on its shit.Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> I do believe rms still cares. I believe he's still doing what he does,Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> and that's the best news this year. But I don't trust Perens, and IOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> honestly think that's on Perens more than it's on me.Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> Do I like some of what Perens says lately? Some of it, a lot. OtherOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> things, eh. But that's why I wrote about liking vs. agreeing vs.Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> trusting vs. relying. I won't rely on or trust Perens. I worry about rmsOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> doing that. At some point you have to stop relying on people who haveOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> turned their back you so many times.Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:07
schestowitz> When rms was ousted, Perens said rms brought it on himself. That reallyOct 04 20:07
schestowitz> soured me-- and being able to look all the way back to pre-OSI Debian?Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> I've spent so many years trying to figure out how this or that beytrayalOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> from OSI came from ESR or Perens, and given all that Perens hasOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> gratefully been open about, ESR is more suspect to be sure. None of whatOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> I'm saying here is a defence of ESR, it's about Perens who probablyOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> isn't as fickle (or two-faced) as ESR seems to be.Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> But if you ignore ESR for just a minute, Perens still seems like he'sOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> trying at best, destructive and unreliable at worst. It's not anOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> argument about how he words things, but the actual content and intent ofOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> what he's said and done.Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> He has continued to use the term Open Source like he's waiting for it toOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> change. You know I learned years ago, that if decent people areOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> entranced by narcissists, they are almost as bad as the narcissistsOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> themselves. The question of evil or blame is different to be sure, butOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> the question of reliability or liability is the same.Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> Non-narcissists who are in the emotional/professional/cultural clutchesOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> of narcissists and backstabbers are roughly as dangerous as theOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> narcissists themselves. People who act as doormats for evil people areOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> people who will drag you into the same messes.Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> When I say I don't trust Perens, it's not a casual statement-- it'sOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> something I've thought about really hard for years and years, and stillOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> think about a lot. He's a mystery I've always tried to solve. solvedOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> partly by debian-private.Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> He's always going to be that way. He was still that way (fickle and aOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> little spiteful) just one year ago, at arguably the lowest point in theOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> career of rms.Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> ESR still claimed a year ago that rms was a friend. It makes me think ofOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> Wayne's World when Garth says to Russell, "you're just gonna beOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> Benjamin's monkey-boy your whole life?" and  Russell says "Benjamin isOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> my friend!" And Garth says "Benjamin is nobody's friend... if BenjaminOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> were an Ice Cream flavour... he'd be Pralines... and Diiiiiiiiiiiick..."Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:08
schestowitz> At best, Perens is always going be Benjamin's monkey-boy. At worst, hesOct 04 20:08
schestowitz> a bit like Benjamin sometimes. I guess ESR can be Benjamin.Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> I'm not saying Perens is two-faced. I'm saying he could be 1 1/2-faced,Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> and IMO he's probably at least 1 1/4-faced.Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> RMS needs people with experience that haven't already betrayed him. IOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> realise that it was a brave and honourable thing that Perens finallyOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> outed the plan to oust rms. I also realise he sat on that for most ofOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> two decades.Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> People who trust Perens really overestimate him. What I think is this:Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Perens has some good ideas. He claims he doesn't want to be in charge,Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> which is plausible enough, so many of the things Perens says areOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> plausible enough.Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> He also has run for the board many times, at a place he co-founded andOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> resigned from in protest. I'm sure there's a great reason to that-- youOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> know, fix it from the inside, blah blah blah.Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Perens is always going to be okay on paper. I really don't think that'sOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> good enough. Let's put it this way, if he were an ex-boyfriend insteadOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> of a long-on-and-off associate, people would be telling rms "Are youOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> fucking KIDDING? RUN! Stay the hell away from that asshole! After allOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> the shit he's done?!"Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> IBM and Kildall. OSI and rms. I'm sure someone at IBM thought the worldOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> of Kildall, but IBM was still really bad for him.Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> I'm sure Perens looks up to rms sometimes. But he's done a world ofOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> harm, as well as some good here and there. If rms is smart he will dumpOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> his ass. He's had too many people stab him in the back to not getOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> smarter about it. The thing is, I can tell from that email rms sentOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> someone recently, he IS learning.Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> I hope he learns fast enough to tell Perens "thanks, but I'm going to doOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> something else instead." Anything else would be a mistake. I'm notOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> saying Perens should be blacklisted-- I'm saying that rms is too goodOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> for him-- and Perens REALLY isn't good enough. Don't trust him withOct 04 20:09
schestowitz> something that important. His good points are almost concessions,Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> they're not really advantages of any kind.Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:09
schestowitz> Unless you can find a silver lining around OSI-- I sure as fuck can't.Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> Everything good thing they bring to the table, they turn against goodOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> people sooner or later. That's not "some good, some bad". It's justOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> "bad, and worse". Perens is more of a liability to rms than an asset. IfOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> he really cares about rms, he will leave him the fuck alone.Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz------------------Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> /"When I say I don't trust Perens, it's not a casual statement-- it'sOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> something I've thought about really hard for years and years, and stillOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> think about a lot. He's a mystery I've always tried to solve. solvedOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> partly by debian-private"/Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> Many people in "politics" have fully developed the art of duplicity, orOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> better-yet _multiplicity_.  They can seem sincere about something at oneOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> or more times, but they are in fact very difficult to pin-down, andOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> intentionally so.  They profit themselves precisely by straddlingOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> borders - even criss-crossing them - yet somehow being able to maintainOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> an excellent reputation.  It's an Art, for sure.Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz------------------Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz>> They can seem sincere about something at one or more times, but theyOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> are in fact very difficult to pin-down, and intentionally so.  TheyOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> profit themselves precisely by straddling borders - even criss-crossingOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> them - yet somehow being able to maintain an excellent reputation.  It'sOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> an Art, for sure.Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> This is what rms needs to understand. He is an activist. Perens is aOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> politician.Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> I'm pretty sure Perens hates being a politician. It has never stoppedOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> him from becoming one, and he has never successfully become aOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> non-politician. He simply retires from political projects, and thenOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> returns to them.Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> This is not what rms needs right now. On the other hand, it is almostOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> exactly what got him in the mess he's in.Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> I think someone should try to do something good with the ideas PerensOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> has. I'm not interested (his ideas are half-and-half okay) and if heOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> works with rms, it will only be to try to get rms to use his ideas.Oct 04 20:10
schestowitz> Mostly that will get rejected, but Perens really doesn't bring anythingOct 04 20:10
schestowitz> to do the table-- except more trouble. And a legacy with a lot of bullshit.Oct 04 20:10
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schestowitz>>> Yeah, things slowed down /further/ during the summer and have notOct 04 21:33
schestowitz>>> returned to even the previously low levels.  In a few years there willOct 04 21:33
schestowitz>>> be nothing but a few stenographers, along with some transient bloggers.Oct 04 21:33
schestowitz>> I spent much time every week chasing STILL-living blogs.Oct 04 21:33
schestowitz> I only look at ones that have RSS feeds.  Most do, but weirdly a fewOct 04 21:33
schestowitz> don't.  With RSS it is less time consuming to check them every few days.Oct 04 21:33
schestowitz> Oct 04 21:33
schestowitz> BTW there appears to be a second implementation of the LBRY protocol:Oct 04 21:33
schestowitz> Oct 04 21:33
schestowitz> https://lbry.tv/Oct 04 21:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lbry.tv | lbry.tvOct 04 21:33
schestowitz> https://odysee.com/Oct 04 21:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | odysee.comOct 04 21:33
schestowitz> Oct 04 21:33
schestowitz> https://lbry.com/faq/what-is-lbryOct 04 21:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lbry.com | What is LBRY exactly? Is it a protocol, an app, a website, or a company?Oct 04 21:33
schestowitz> https://odysee.com/@OdyseeHelp:bOct 04 21:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | Odysee HelpOct 04 21:33
schestowitz Derek Taylor appears to have just mentioned bothOct 04 21:33
schestowitz> In regards to IBM, remember that the only reason Bill got a the MS-DOSOct 04 21:34
schestowitz> monopoly was that IBM was being punished as a result of anti-trustOct 04 21:34
schestowitz> violations.  It had to choose either hardware or software and choseOct 04 21:34
schestowitz> hardware.  Bill's mom set them up with Tim Paterson's QDOS, giving BillOct 04 21:34
schestowitz> an instant monopoly:Oct 04 21:34
schestowitz> Oct 04 21:34
schestowitz> https://thisdayintechhistory.com/11/06/ibm-signs-a-deal-with-the-devil/Oct 04 21:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thisdayintechhistory.com | IBM Signs A Deal With The Devil - This Day in Tech HistoryOct 04 21:34
schestowitz> Oct 04 21:34
schestowitz> https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/how-bill-gates-mother-influenced-the-success-of-microsoft.htmlOct 04 21:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cnbc.com | How Bill Gates' mother influenced the success of MicrosoftOct 04 21:34
schestowitz> Oct 04 21:34
schestowitz> https://www.theregister.com/2012/08/07/kildall_unforensic_ieee_smear/Oct 04 21:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | Bill Gates, Harry Evans and the smearing of a computer legend • The RegisterOct 04 21:34
schestowitzI did not know it was anti-trust that led them to giving that deal.Oct 04 21:34
schestowitz"Ahah, first, it should have a correct GUI experience on 4K display!"Oct 04 22:30
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schestowitzhttps://social.tchncs.de/@scops/104875652060018025Oct 04 22:31
schestowitz" Now with Power9 please..."Oct 04 22:31
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schestowitz"Oct 04 22:31
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schestowitz"If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." — Hermann HesseOct 04 22:31
schestowitzHerman Hesse was never a Debian Devel but maybe he should have been on an advisory/oversight board.Oct 04 22:31
schestowitzMore clearly :Oct 04 22:31
schestowitz*Dont become the thing you hate.*Oct 04 22:31
schestowitz"Oct 04 22:31
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schestowitz" Yeah! #enlightenment is just awesome imho!"Oct 04 22:32
schestowitzhttps://social.tchncs.de/@scops/104960805986112246Oct 04 22:32
schestowitz"... and E24 is included in #debian buster (upcomming debian release, can be checked out with debian testing daily builds)"Oct 04 22:32
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