●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 04, 2021 ●● ● Oct 04 [00:29] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:30] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@nz3z425c7kmbw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:44] *liberty_box (~liberty@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [00:45] *rianne (~rianne@ctqz25uirqr88.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [01:47] *blitzed has quit (Quit: +++ATH0&D2 NO CARRIER NO CAREER) ● Oct 04 [02:12] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [02:15] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@nz3z425c7kmbw.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:27] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:41] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@334fmc7bfht88.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:45] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:45] *blitzed (~blitzed@hfgtzj3k77jkn.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:47] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@u9a6zfufw5rec.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [03:49] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [03:49] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@u9a6zfufw5rec.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [04:19] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [04:20] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@xesaz78kjd5sk.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [06:23] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) ● Oct 04 [07:55] schestowitz-TR the ongoing EPO series will be 28+ parts, should I occasionally dump copies of progress on your SBC or no need? [07:56] Techrights-sec No need but say when / if you do so I can add them to the offline backups. ● Oct 04 [08:25] schestowitz-TR energymix is in today's rss feeds. I'll see what proportion of it is relevant. i assume you have not yet applied the commit in git. [08:28] schestowitz-TR re flatpak, years ago we complained about systemd dependency and they then removed this dependency, as I pointed out in IRC [08:33] Techrights-sec THe systemd dependency is still listed on their page. [08:34] schestowitz-TR maybe it was re-added, as I had worried [08:39] Techrights-sec $ apt-cache depends flatpak | grep systemd [08:39] Techrights-sec Depends: libsystemd0 [08:39] Techrights-sec Recommends: libpam-systemd [08:39] Techrights-sec and in the package for Ubuntu, same for Devuan [08:39] Techrights-sec and Raspberry Pi OS [08:39] Techrights-sec 2104, Chimaera, and 10 for respective versions. [08:40] schestowitz-TR so it was a false promise. noted! [08:44] Techrights-sec Or maybe they are finding it more entangled than they thought. [08:44] Techrights-sec One of the things the systemd fanbois do is dig in a deeply as they can [08:44] Techrights-sec as soon as permitted. ● Oct 04 [09:00] schestowitz https://odysee.com/@AndreasSpiess:2/simple-trick-to-protect-your-raspberry:a [09:00] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | Simple Trick to protect your Raspberry SD card from Crashing [09:00] schestowitz # gemini.techrights.org involves heavy disk writing, shortening the life of [09:00] schestowitz # the microSD card. The above does not have a solution but does serve [09:00] schestowitz # as a heads up about having a plan in place for replacing the microSD card [09:00] schestowitz # on short notice; booting from an external SSD might be recommended [09:01] schestowitz I make complete backups every now and then [09:01] Techrights-sec ... seeing as systemd is about political control over the distros [09:01] Techrights-sec primarily. [09:05] schestowitz x https://nitter.eu/vmwopensource/status/1333433179085156353#m [09:05] schestowitz # revisionism [09:05] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | VMware Open Source (@vmwopensource): "Why do we do #opensource? @DirkHH_VMware & @SwapBhartiya discuss on @tfir_io's "Conversations on Open Source": https://bit.ly/3obNDAC" | nitter [09:08] Techrights-sec The paranoid response is that file corruption can occur silently and [09:08] Techrights-sec multiple backups are needed. [09:08] Techrights-sec Once EXT4 hits 80% - 90% full then there will be a lot of additional writes [09:08] Techrights-sec along with slower performance. [09:09] schestowitz-TR via the laptop, a snapshot is taken almost every month, then deleted as the drives are swapped around. if gemini usage keeps growing we might need to move the capsule off my home network. ● Oct 04 [10:00] activelow schestowitz-TR: with flatpak systemd is optional, dbus is mandatory [10:04] activelow the problem is, it is defined as a compile-time option, and once compiled into it is a runtime dependency too [10:05] schestowitz-TR activelow: gm [10:05] schestowitz-TR I got this from a person who read it [10:06] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/flatpak-viewpoint/ [10:06] schestowitz # interesting but neither it nor the wikipedia article actually [10:06] schestowitz # describe what a Flatpak is; A two or three line technical summary [10:06] schestowitz # would help; aside from systemd dependencies, a deal-breaker IMO, it's [10:06] schestowitz # not even clear from the official pages: [10:06] schestowitz # https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/basic-concepts.html [10:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-docs.flatpak.org | Basic concepts Flatpak documentation [10:06] schestowitz # https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/under-the-hood.html [10:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-docs.flatpak.org | Under the Hood Flatpak documentation [10:06] schestowitz # see also : https://gavinhoward.com/2021/10/static-linking-considered-harmful-considered-harmful/ [10:06] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gavinhoward.com | "Static Linking Considered Harmful" Considered Harmful | Gavin D. Howard [10:06] schestowitz-TR we checked further [10:06] schestowitz-TR on numerous distros [10:06] schestowitz-TR it's still there with systemd dep [10:06] schestowitz-TR contrary to what red hat staff told me they would do [10:06] schestowitz-TR after we had complained [10:07] activelow dbus is at least as bad [10:09] schestowitz-TR I am not sufficiently familiar with its issues [10:09] schestowitz-TR but I heard [10:10] activelow dbus is a systemd-related component, contrary to systemd dbus was not removed anywhere (except with my distro), and the issue with dbus first and foremost is it's presence [10:10] schestowitz-TR what about kdbus? [10:10] schestowitz-TR same for kernel? [10:10] schestowitz-TR like kernel dbus? [10:11] schestowitz-TR there was a gkh controversy surrounding it, iirc [10:11] schestowitz-TR before Torvalds become "window dressing" [10:11] schestowitz-TR *became [10:12] activelow Alan Cox resigned, and one of his remarks cited on wikipedia refers to kdbus too; currently kdbus isn't implemented in mainline [10:15] *activelow departs for some sleep [10:16] schestowitz-TR give them time.. [10:16] schestowitz-TR same for mshithub [10:16] schestowitz-TR they also rusted and roasted linux [10:16] schestowitz-TR they try and retry until they run out of money [10:16] schestowitz-TR which is never [10:16] schestowitz-TR Google even created 'security-theme front group for rust [10:28] Techrights-sec The move can only happen after the OS upgrade due to the script dependencies. [10:28] Techrights-sec So if it has to move then maybe other options have to be explored. [10:28] Techrights-sec By the way moving to a location with a static IP address would allow [10:28] Techrights-sec an A name for gemini.techrights.org and that would in turn allow a SRV record [10:29] schestowitz-TR we'll be pressing on with Europe/EPO/UPC issues this month, a very high priority and a blind spot (lack of coverage) [10:51] schestowitz-TR Excellenbt that TR is covering it then [10:51] Techrights-sec Excellenbt that TR is covering it then ● Oct 04 [11:12] Techrights-sec The EPO coverage is exceptionally important strategically for FOSS [11:13] schestowitz-TR It is one aspect of many and one where we can help more [11:14] schestowitz-TR maybe I will try to publish each part around midnight, then videos around midday [11:46] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [12:00] *psydroid3 has quit (connection closed) [12:00] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:18] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) ● Oct 04 [13:11] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:11] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:21] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [14:21] *techrights_guest|2 (~4610ceea@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:25] *techrights_guest|2 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [14:57] *techrights_guest|20 (~4610ceea@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:57] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@c97a4jq29f47i.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [15:05] *techrights_guest|20 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [15:47] *qa_ (~qa@fa9xe2vquf842.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:47] *qa2 has quit (Quit: ) [15:48] *qa_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:48] *qa_ (~qa@fa9xe2vquf842.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:49] *qa_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 04 [16:53] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:56] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@raabvk6zmhn8n.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [17:29] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:41] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@e648e4kbu9cfs.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [17:51] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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