●● IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 04, 2022 ●● ● Oct 04 [00:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [00:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [01:49] *techrights_guest|83 (~5198ecf9@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:54] *techrights_guest|8315 (~5198ecf9@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:55] *techrights_guest|8372 (~5198ecf9@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:57] *techrights_guest|83 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [01:57] *techrights_guest|8372 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [01:57] *techrights_guest|83 (~5198ecf9@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:57] *techrights_guest|83 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [01:57] *techrights_guest|83 (~5198ecf9@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [01:57] *techrights_guest|83 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [01:57] *techrights_guest|8315 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) ● Oct 04 [02:45] *parsifal (~parsifal@8vte7vm6885eu.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [02:47] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.14 [SeaMonkey 2.53.14/20221003001100]) ● Oct 04 [03:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [03:09] schestowitz-TR Efficacy Declining Due to Bad COVID-19 Policy (a Do-Nothing Attitude) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/04/covid-19-variant-efficacy/ [03:10] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Efficacy Declining Due to Bad COVID-19 Policy (a Do-Nothing Attitude) [03:10] *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving) [03:12] schestowitz-TR 10% more than the usual deaths this past month https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending16september2022 [03:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ons.gov.uk | Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics [03:12] Techrights-sec https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending16september2022 [03:12] Techrights-sec https://www.salon.com/2022/10/03/is-19-hurting-our-hearts-a-new-study-finds-cardiac-muscle-damage-in-patients/ [03:12] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Is COVID-19 hurting your heart? A new study finds cardiac muscle damage in COVID patients | Salon.com [03:25] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [03:26] Techrights-sec "Last weeks public appearance by Torvalds seemed ...", [03:26] Techrights-sec which public appearance? [03:26] schestowitz-TR there is a URL further down [03:26] schestowitz-TR also in gemini [03:26] schestowitz-TR \ [03:34] schestowitz-TR ONS Data: In May (Latest Data Available) COVID-19 Killed 149 Brits Who Turned Down COVID-19 Vaccines, 1,439 Who Received Such Vaccines https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/04/ons-vaccine-data/ [03:34] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive ONS Data: In May (Latest Data Available) COVID-19 Killed 149 Brits Who Turned Down COVID-19 Vaccines, 1,439 Who Received Such Vaccines [03:34] Techrights-sec checking [03:34] Techrights-sec The text is not understandable and is is not clear which link would clear that [03:34] Techrights-sec up. :/ [03:34] Techrights-sec gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/03/bought-by-wintel/ [03:34] Techrights-sec Enough context is missing that the whole post is confusing, at least to me. [03:35] schestowitz-TR the post was meant partly as a joke and partly as an effort to get people to watch LP trolling Torvalds [03:35] schestowitz-TR with the images visible the satirical aspect is clearer [03:36] Techrights-sec RIght but enough context is missing that it is only confusing. [03:39] schestowitz-TR sorry about that, unintended [03:39] schestowitz-TR as a side note: [03:39] schestowitz-TR "let's open up, it'll save the economy" [economy collapses] [03:39] schestowitz-TR "let's leave the UK, we can do better on our own" [3 MPs step down in ~6 years] [03:39] schestowitz-TR PMs rather [03:39] schestowitz-TR the decisions here are made by corporate tools [03:39] schestowitz-TR rianne's lawyers all wore masks all the time [03:39] schestowitz-TR then again, HK heritage [03:39] schestowitz-TR they take health precautions more seriously [03:39] schestowitz-TR *leave the UK -> i meant EU [03:40] Techrights-sec I think it's mostly a side-effect of you being very familiar with things [03:40] Techrights-sec and I am considering the more casual visitor. [03:40] Techrights-sec The UK politics are driven, like the politics in many countries, by easily [03:40] Techrights-sec debunkable lies. However, too few politicians gain from working in a fact [03:40] Techrights-sec based environment and just decide to LARP like the business community is doing. [03:44] schestowitz-TR well, in our own home we make out own policies and ecisions [03:44] schestowitz-TR based on verifiable data [03:44] schestowitz-TR chomsky used to say something along the lines of, [03:44] schestowitz-TR it takes people doing lots of effrot to realsie what's really going on [03:44] schestowitz-TR and most just toil away at work [03:44] schestowitz-TR and when they get back home sit on the TV sofa or attend kids [03:44] schestowitz-TR so no time to study, just absorb [03:45] schestowitz-TR this means them very easy to manipulate/deceive [03:45] schestowitz-TR at least the vast majority of the "herd" [03:45] schestowitz-TR the covid-19 posts are merely a residue of me tryingt o figure out the current situatn [03:45] schestowitz-TR and then I send rianen "reports" on current threat level [03:45] schestowitz-TR like, based on how many are estimate to be infected at present [03:45] schestowitz-TR and how transmittable that is [03:45] schestowitz-TR it seems to be like we have half-baked 'solutions' [03:45] schestowitz-TR but the regime won't acknowledge that\ [03:45] schestowitz-TR the lobbyists want business-as-usual status [03:45] schestowitz-TR even if we are not ready for it [03:45] schestowitz-TR precarious capitalism where wone wuhan virus leads to systemic collapse in under 3 years [03:45] schestowitz-TR and now we have protests in the streets -- unthinkable back in 2019 [03:45] schestowitz-TR and nhs staff resigning in droves [03:45] schestowitz-TR inflation won't keep them at work [03:45] schestowitz-TR because their salaries are in effect only decreased [03:45] schestowitz-TR and they want to protest what they see at work and the Tories' policies [03:48] Techrights-sec ack [03:48] Techrights-sec Some of the parties have been deliberately undermining the NHS and the staff [03:48] Techrights-sec have been a particular target of theirs. Remember how well the NHS was [03:49] Techrights-sec even back a decade ago? Tricks like defunding, destaffing, and selling off [03:49] Techrights-sec properties have made it impossibile for the NHS to operate smoothly, then [03:49] Techrights-sec that is combined with an incessant drumbeat in the corportate press about [03:49] Techrights-sec privatization as a response to the "failure" rather than addressing the [03:49] Techrights-sec real cause of the failure, which is the aforementioned defunding, destaffing, and selling off of properties. [03:49] Techrights-sec Then you have propaganda campaigns where finding a work-life balance and [03:49] Techrights-sec working the agreed upon contractual terms is considered a form of "quitting" [03:49] Techrights-sec Again, those too are pushed by the corporate press, not that there is any [03:49] Techrights-sec other kind left these days, not even NPR or PBS at least in the US [03:50] schestowitz-TR I guess I am fortunate to work from home 100% of the time and also never have to work outside hours [03:50] schestowitz-TR then again, there are other issues [03:50] schestowitz-TR from what I'm told by a friend who lives her (director), I'm not entitled to as much money if I leave (as I thought before) [03:51] Techrights-sec https://99designs.com/blog/tips/the-7-step-guide-to-understanding-color-theory/ [03:51] Techrights-sec https://designwebkit.com/web-and-trends/color-combinations-hell-death-sentence-designs/ [03:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-99designs.com | Color Theory - Understanding the 7 fundamentals of color [03:51] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-designwebkit.com | Color Combinations from Hell Death Sentence for Your Designs [03:52] schestowitz-TR are these colour pallette commentaries concerning the CMS? [03:52] schestowitz-TR in gemini, you choose you OWN theme [03:52] schestowitz-TR and it stays consistent [03:52] schestowitz-TR which I suppose makes perfect sense [03:52] schestowitz-TR I don't care for sites' "branding" [03:52] schestowitz-TR I care for my eyes, screen/medium etc. [03:54] Techrights-sec Right, leaving on your own usually means a big disadvantage. There may be [03:54] Techrights-sec many other disadvantages to that as well. If you make it look involuntary [03:54] Techrights-sec then there are usually a lot of legal compensations which they must provide. [03:54] Techrights-sec Not directly, instead concerning the Windows in Africa chart specifically. [03:54] Techrights-sec The label at least with this screen and this lighting is hardly readable. [03:54] Techrights-sec A better color choice would make the point come across better because [03:54] Techrights-sec it would be less strain to read. It's a form of usability bordering on [03:54] Techrights-sec accessibility. [03:58] schestowitz-TR of note: i don't know what formula the patent cartel uses to caalculate efficacy [03:58] schestowitz-TR and what data gets used, therein lies the BS [03:58] schestowitz-TR maybe somethign to look into another day [03:58] schestowitz-TR john campbell and I both came to the conclusion (separately) that excess deaths foruma is BS [03:58] schestowitz-TR because it factors in prior years of pandemic, a 20-year median would be a lot better [03:58] schestowitz-TR so you end up having to study the absolute numbers/totals [03:59] schestowitz-TR campbell has a boss called Alphabet Gulag [03:59] schestowitz-TR it's based in another continent [03:59] schestowitz-TR and he spends like 50% of his videos having to apologise [03:59] schestowitz-TR and recite guidelines [03:59] schestowitz-TR and compliment the boss [03:59] schestowitz-TR just to avert more censorship than being delisted from the "recommendation engine" and other "engagement" levers [03:59] schestowitz-TR it's ridiculous!! ● Oct 04 [04:04] Techrights-sec http://techrights.org/2022/10/03/microsoft-windows-african-market/ [04:04] Techrights-sec Note the text box/arrow's colors. It'd be easy enough to find [04:04] Techrights-sec two colors and then keep the hex codes on file for reuse. [04:04] Techrights-sec The hearsay is that the vaccines reduce the need for hospitalization. [04:04] Techrights-sec However, if that is not true, they are certainly not going to allow social [04:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft Windows Sinks to Just 16% of the African Market | Techrights [04:04] Techrights-sec control media to cite any articles, studies, or data to the contrary. [04:04] Techrights-sec There have been a lot of accounts wiped out recently. They are gone without [04:04] Techrights-sec a trace most of the time and only occasionally do any other vloggers [04:04] Techrights-sec comment on the disappearance and the reasons for it. Then, that too, is lost [04:04] Techrights-sec in the noise and effectively gone forever. [04:04] Techrights-sec Apologies for wikipedia link: [04:04] Techrights-sec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning_chamber [04:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Operant conditioning chamber - Wikipedia [04:04] Techrights-sec old: [04:04] Techrights-sec https://behavioralscientist.org/21st-century-skinner-box/ [04:04] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-behavioralscientist.org | The 21st Century Skinner Box - Behavioral Scientist [04:05] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:08] schestowitz-TR The data I've studied does show a decrease in chance of escalation [04:08] schestowitz-TR but the question is, by how much? [04:08] schestowitz-TR Another question is, [04:08] schestowitz-TR what is the effect of the jabs themselves [04:08] schestowitz-TR all jabs, even good ones, will have SOME side effects [04:08] schestowitz-TR this is common knowledge, not crackpot stuff [04:08] schestowitz-TR and also, what are the effects of complacency, i.e. letting it spread freely [04:08] schestowitz-TR based on false assumptinons of over-states/exeggerated (aofrementioned) "success" [04:08] schestowitz-TR if the change of hospitalisation is reduced by 70%, is that enbough to fill up [04:08] schestowitz-TR football stadiums? How about 99%? Huge difference. [04:08] schestowitz-TR the problem is, there is not much research [04:08] schestowitz-TR and that which exists can be biased or suppressed [04:08] schestowitz-TR I just want to know what's going on [04:08] schestowitz-TR and, for now, "I see dead people" [04:08] schestowitz-TR more than 2021 and 2020 [04:08] schestowitz-TR in 2020 we went back to the gym and all [04:08] schestowitz-TR as the virus was mostly contained around summertimee [04:08] schestowitz-TR even in September [04:08] Techrights-sec Yes [04:19] Techrights-sec There are few articles which are uncontroversial or unprofitable enough to [04:19] Techrights-sec be neutral. The rest are camped on by corporate marketeers or political [04:19] Techrights-sec lobbyists or both. Any incursion on those squatted pages ends up, at best, [04:19] Techrights-sec as an edit war which due to the malice/laziness of the moderators is handed [04:19] Techrights-sec to those with the most resources to bulk edit and or endure over time. [04:19] Techrights-sec A timlely example is the banksters who ratchet forward each year towards [04:19] Techrights-sec making their pretend award for "Economics" appear legitimate. [04:19] Techrights-sec "puleez" [04:19] Techrights-sec Economics exists to make astrology look legit. [04:19] Techrights-sec It has nothing to do with science or scientific method, nor much to do with [04:19] Techrights-sec actual facts and observable conditions. [04:19] Techrights-sec It's phrenology for numbers. [04:19] Techrights-sec Anyway, in regards to Wikipedia, it is very hard to find any page at all which [04:19] Techrights-sec is not squatted on by a corporation or two, especially anything related [04:19] Techrights-sec to computing, since it has become such a high-stakes fight over control of [04:19] Techrights-sec information/disinformation/propaganda and mind share. [04:20] schestowitz-TR you brought up wikipedia [04:20] schestowitz-TR wikipedia does resist interference by states [04:20] schestowitz-TR except certain states [04:20] schestowitz-TR those aare AlwaysRight(R) [04:20] schestowitz-TR That's aside from well-connected corporations doing whatever they want to articles which mention them [04:20] schestowitz-TR "perception management" as a "service" [04:20] schestowitz-TR a shadow industry built around wikipedia [04:20] schestowitz-TR and reputation laundering [04:20] schestowitz-TR or rather, censorship [04:27] schestowitz-TR "Critical thinking is the most powerful weapon in the arsenal of humankind. It is like a sharp sword that cuts through the follies of society, leaving nothing undefiled in its wake. Yet, when deployed improperly, it can also injure the thinker, bring ruin to his or her life, and ultimately accomplish nothing productive." gemini://jhpotter.srht.site/gemlog/chestertons-fence.gmi [04:41] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fnxwuy3nahvpc.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [06:57] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [07:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [07:34] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 04 [08:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [08:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [09:37] schestowitz-TR no irc post yet today? ● Oct 04 [10:01] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [10:38] schestowitz-TR wow, I was just using google search for something linux-related [10:38] schestowitz-TR tuxmachinea and TR are very prominent in results [10:38] schestowitz-TR that helps explain some things [10:38] schestowitz-TR remember old TM still gets a lot more traffic than new TM, which I guess makes sense given the size differences ● Oct 04 [11:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:30] Techrights-sec Yes, TM and, depending on the topic, TR show up high in many searches. [11:31] schestowitz-TR Jim Zemlin keeps saying "intellectual property" [11:31] schestowitz-TR Linux Foundation's LFX seems to be proprietary software. Needs to be verified though. [11:31] schestowitz-TR Recently, Jim Zemlin did not even give talks. His keynotes were just him reading a script. Ridiculous. [11:31] schestowitz-TR Zemlin now spread the "supply chain" FUD of Microsoft proxies. To make "Open Source", not NSA and its tentacles (like Microsoft) seem like the real disk, inc. back doors. [11:31] schestowitz-TR Zemlin also bags about Microsoft working with Linux Foundation on "trust" (while Microsoft works for the NSA, a back doors booster) [11:31] schestowitz-TR Zemlin became like a Microsoft salesperson (like his wife, who is technically a fraud). He even uses the same talking points, e.g. "log4j" (even a year after this was patched) [11:31] schestowitz-TR <-- psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell-social [11:31] schestowitz-TR Zemlin also perpetuates the lie that in proprietary software there are good security practices but the same is untrue in "Open Source"; he's in effect repeating Microsoft lies [11:31] schestowitz-TR not sure if [topic] [11:31] schestowitz-TR as that would require giving audience to his BS [11:32] schestowitz-TR btw, a week later this video of LF has just 200 views [11:32] schestowitz-TR despite claiming to have over 150,000 youtube subscribers [11:32] schestowitz-TR probably another bunch of spamnils [11:36] *techrights_guest|83 (~5198ecf9@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:36] *techrights_guest|83 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [11:37] Techrights-sec I'm hoping that the popularity with the HTTPS service carries over to Gemini [11:37] Techrights-sec at least a bit. [11:37] Techrights-sec Best to ignore spamnil for the most part except to mention how he is being [11:37] Techrights-sec used to degrade the brand. [11:37] schestowitz-TR Zemlin says "Open Source movement", but it's not a movement but a corporate push to attack the movement (Free software) or what he dubs "collective innovation" [11:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:42] schestowitz-TR what the heck is it that makes a channel with 150k+ subscribers barely exceed 300 views in a month? [11:42] schestowitz-TR imho, lots of fakes [11:42] schestowitz-TR the big rich orgs just buy fakes [11:42] schestowitz-TR to "look big" [11:42] schestowitz-TR it's like twitter [11:43] schestowitz-TR lol, LF talk uses the term "non-male" [11:43] schestowitz-TR that's like "gentile" [11:43] schestowitz-TR they define people as what they're not [11:43] schestowitz-TR repeatedly [11:44] Techrights-sec Yes, to a certain extent it started as a corporate end-run around software [11:44] Techrights-sec freedom. But regardless of how much it was like that or not from the start, [11:44] Techrights-sec it became that quite quickly. [11:44] Techrights-sec Misconfigured bots with unused fake accounts> [11:44] Techrights-sec ? [11:44] Techrights-sec :( [11:44] Techrights-sec The more they avoid technical aspects, the more harm they succeed in doing [11:44] Techrights-sec to the kernel. Such is their apparent goal. [11:47] schestowitz-TR lol, if you scroll down a bit you see videos that get same vie count as spamnil [11:47] schestowitz-TR one monyh, 37 views [11:47] schestowitz-TR over a month, 23 views [11:47] schestowitz-TR hardly even worth the efort encoding and uploading [11:47] schestowitz-TR hat a lump of fakes [11:47] schestowitz-TR but there is nothing too insightful I can say about it [11:47] schestowitz-TR one aspect of it is, [11:47] schestowitz-TR gulag used to show people channels they subscribed to [11:47] schestowitz-TR now it's like broadcast TV, optimised for "engagement" [11:47] schestowitz-TR so they scre channels with subscribers [11:47] schestowitz-TR google is 'managing' what people are watching and when [11:47] Techrights-sec When Lunduke was on topic, he was really good, but that only happened for [11:47] Techrights-sec a little while. Now he makes a lot of noise but produces nothing of substance [11:47] Techrights-sec for the most partt. [11:49] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [11:50] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [11:51] schestowitz-TR yes, he blog is mostyly skip, skip, old, nonsense, brag, sales, skip, joke... [11:51] schestowitz-TR his head cannot come up with topics [11:52] schestowitz-TR so he makes up satire and does "open mic" with no real topic [11:52] schestowitz-TR just "ask me antyhing" [11:56] Techrights-sec A few of the ones he did like four or five years ago were really great. He [11:56] Techrights-sec was on a roll for a few months, then BAM nothing. ● Oct 04 [12:07] schestowitz-TR important: draft [12:07] schestowitz-TR see the one-minute video [12:07] schestowitz-TR and barf [12:07] Techrights-sec checking [12:08] Techrights-sec The worst part is that from a marketing perspective, it is chump change and [12:08] Techrights-sec not even noticeable money they're selling out for. [12:17] Techrights-sec m$ very presence violates the CoC :( [12:17] Techrights-sec JZ engages in a bit of revisionism. FOSS is not becoming a part of industry. [12:17] Techrights-sec It is what *built* and *runs* the Internet and the WWW. [12:17] Techrights-sec It's not /becoming/ part of product and service development, it has been [12:17] Techrights-sec there since day one already. [12:17] Techrights-sec It has not /become/ the cornerstone, it started out as the cornerstone going [12:17] Techrights-sec back to the first days of computing in the 1940s and 1950s, though back [12:17] Techrights-sec then it was referred to merely as "software" since the availability of the [12:17] Techrights-sec source code went without saying. It was only IBM and M$ in the 1980s [12:17] Techrights-sec that worked to undermine that, helped along with a lot of revisionism in the last 5 to 10 years by marketeetrs like JZ [12:20] Techrights-sec JZ's video is long. Yewtewbe seems to have autoplayed it from the short [12:20] Techrights-sec lead video. [12:21] schestowitz-TR I've just added your response [12:21] schestowitz-TR his talks are mostly the same [12:21] schestowitz-TR tmpleate [12:21] schestowitz-TR so rebutting one rebuts a lot of recent "talks" [12:21] schestowitz-TR we'll needf to proofread carefully [12:21] Techrights-sec The headline of the draft probably should not give free advertising to M$ [12:21] Techrights-sec though. [12:21] schestowitz-TR we stepped on a land mine [12:22] schestowitz-TR i beg to differ: it causes disgust, and rightly so [12:22] Techrights-sec It can be alluded to without naming explicitly, I think. [12:22] Techrights-sec FOSS's most hostile enemy as diamond sponsor for LF event. [12:24] schestowitz-TR we have a different target audience in mind [12:24] schestowitz-TR we don't need to explain what microsoft means to us [12:24] schestowitz-TR in a site like TR [12:24] schestowitz-TR it's not IDG [12:24] Techrights-sec Not so much. The point is that naming the company in that context gives [12:24] Techrights-sec them free advertising and even more bang for the buck for the pennies they [12:24] Techrights-sec tossed to LF for that name placement [12:24] schestowitz-TR ok, wll rewrite [12:25] schestowitz-TR try again now [12:25] Techrights-sec https://www.dpkpr.com/articles/media-training-fundamentals-dont-name-the-competition/ [12:25] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.dpkpr.com | Media Training Fundamentals: Don't Name the Competition - 03-31-2016 : Public Relations Management contact: Daniel Keeney in Portland, Oregon [12:28] Techrights-sec https://www.roi-selling.com/blog/talking-about-your-competition [12:28] Techrights-sec checking [12:28] Techrights-sec thanks! The new title is much more clear! [12:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.roi-selling.com | The Etiquette of Talking about Your Competition [12:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #boycottnovell [12:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:50] schestowitz-TR new policy [12:50] schestowitz-TR stop tracking the spam-NIL [12:50] schestowitz-TR I've not given up on statcounter though [12:50] schestowitz-TR I think it touches where it hurts [12:50] schestowitz-TR and fills a gap where media dares not enter [12:50] schestowitz-TR but we need topics [12:50] schestowitz-TR you know... there are coincidences, but... [12:50] schestowitz-TR sometimes it feels like as soon as I call out zdnet on "Linux" [12:50] schestowitz-TR a day later they respond [12:50] schestowitz-TR but it lasts only about a day [12:50] schestowitz-TR same happens a lot with epo and LF [12:50] schestowitz-TR like, you bring up a massive scandal [12:50] schestowitz-TR and then they're out in FULL FORCE, never ending PR rushed out [12:50] schestowitz-TR and then silence [12:50] schestowitz-TR I think it's a PR tactic of signal saturation [12:50] schestowitz-TR Debian is said to have done the same [12:50] schestowitz-TR but it's very hard to prove [12:51] schestowitz-TR I am organising a list of items that help with brainstorming, original article ideas [12:51] schestowitz-TR just going throiugh rss feeds does not always bring up topics [12:55] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@h635kpe3hju7k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [12:57] Techrights-sec Probably they are in meetings about it. ● Oct 04 [13:04] schestowitz-TR I've long had a saying [13:04] schestowitz-TR what you see in public is just a small portion of the whole [13:04] schestowitz-TR what people read 'second hand' (through other sites) [13:04] schestowitz-TR what people say/hear (the water coller) [13:04] schestowitz-TR *cooler [13:04] schestowitz-TR boardrooms, walled gardened chats etc. [13:05] schestowitz-TR so the impact is always a bit more than it seems [13:05] schestowitz-TR with our whistleblowers [13:05] schestowitz-TR I had to explain to them [13:05] schestowitz-TR that the PR tactic is to make them feel powerless [13:05] schestowitz-TR having no impact [13:05] schestowitz-TR and keep secrey all mentions of them [13:05] schestowitz-TR but like a submarine a lawyer comes your way every now and then [13:05] schestowitz-TR a lot of the time epo.org 'feels' like it's having tit-for-tat with us [13:05] schestowitz-TR based on the topics they 'cover' [13:05] schestowitz-TR and esp. the timing [13:05] schestowitz-TR because I'm told "almost all" EPO staff reads TR [13:05] schestowitz-TR no word from the copyright troll in about a week [13:05] schestowitz-TR I reckon it's barking, but won't ever bite [13:05] schestowitz-TR if it tries to bite, the law is on m side, but time-wasting [13:05] schestowitz-TR like mmasnick and shiva [13:11] schestowitz-TR Linux Foundation is trying to change its pitch in response to posts that expose its hypocrisy; for instance, they now openly admit Linux is just a little project in the corner. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [13:11] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [13:13] Techrights-sec ack [13:13] schestowitz-TR "Total Coronavirus Cases in New Zealand" in this page shows what happens when you 'open up' BEFORE you even have a potent solution to COVID-19. 3k deaths in a small island. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/ [13:13] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.worldometers.info | New Zealand COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer [13:18] schestowitz-TR NZ is at 90% COVID-19 vaccine uptake for ages 12+. https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data and when opening up COVID-19 spreads to millions, killing thousands. Hardly an efficacy success story. Try the same with polio. We need more vaccine development (and clinical trials), not more patents and higher prices. [13:18] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.health.govt.nz | COVID-19: Vaccine data | Ministry of Health NZ [13:22] schestowitz-TR NZ, once a role model on COVID-19, now has a higher mortality rates overall than another island, Iceland. Those Islands are valuable as reference points to study COVID-19 mitigation approaches in insulation/isolation. [13:23] schestowitz-TR And now in NZ they'll have millions with "LONG COVID(-19)" and lifelong conditions associated with infection, based on extensive research published just a month ago. They have a health service, so the high cost will be long-term and collective. [13:23] Techrights-sec ack [13:24] Techrights-sec I would speculate that the cost for the same scenario but without a national [13:24] Techrights-sec health service would actually be far higher and longer lasting. [13:30] schestowitz-TR yes, the point was not to take shots at nationalisation of well-bring [13:30] schestowitz-TR *being [13:30] schestowitz-TR health population is generally healthy for a nation [13:30] schestowitz-TR crime and all [13:30] schestowitz-TR (albeit welfare of public housing is a bigger factor there) [13:30] schestowitz-TR the 'NZ experiment' is still ongoing [13:30] schestowitz-TR insulate, vaccinate 90% of adolescents up [13:30] schestowitz-TR then test on the "weak" variants [13:30] schestowitz-TR and now they have remorse as they try to bring cases back down and under control [13:30] schestowitz-TR based on what I hear from friends, each "case" is not "recovered" or "dead" [13:30] schestowitz-TR but "lucky" or "damaged" or "dead" [13:30] schestowitz-TR we don't know the ratios, but some studies provide insights, with breakdown by age groups mostly [13:30] schestowitz-TR gender is not a big factor in the case of this virus, it's the age [13:30] schestowitz-TR and to some extent race too [13:31] Techrights-sec Understood [13:31] Techrights-sec The current global situation is quite frustating because neither the shortcomings in the current set of vaccines is discussed or allowed ot be discussed, [13:31] Techrights-sec nor (as part of that) is there any apparent plan to develop functional [13:31] Techrights-sec vaccines [13:34] schestowitz-TR wanted to say earlier, [13:34] schestowitz-TR that this will become a bigger issue (than Tories) as winter comes [13:34] schestowitz-TR and that my initial prediction that "this can take 5 years" was not so insane [13:34] schestowitz-TR but I did not imagine we'd stay away from the gym after the temporary recovery in summer 2020 [13:34] schestowitz-TR few cases, sometimes 0 deaths per day [13:34] schestowitz-TR and the economy was not going to recover after brexit and other blunder, inc. wars with the second/third superpower [13:34] schestowitz-TR we've always been at war with eur-asia/russia/eu-russia [13:34] schestowitz-TR brexit, russia, covid [13:34] schestowitz-TR perfect storm [13:34] Techrights-sec ack [13:34] schestowitz-TR i don't suppose they'll export energy to us this winter, we snubbed them since 2016 [13:38] schestowitz-TR my next (I think very hard, due to lack of transparent) task will be to check what efficacy is advertised [13:38] schestowitz-TR and then what the methods of measuring that IS [13:38] schestowitz-TR there is no consistent/uniform method, I suspect [13:38] schestowitz-TR which makes that even more cumbersome [13:38] schestowitz-TR just as they advertise ingredients with % on food products [13:38] schestowitz-TR (I know vaccines do tend to mention ingredients, but little about composition beyond that) [13:38] schestowitz-TR I think efficacy needs to be advertised honstly, transparently, independentl [13:38] schestowitz-TR in a language that the 'hoi polloi' can grasp [13:38] schestowitz-TR so as to make decisions of select the right "product" [13:44] schestowitz-TR List of capsules (as per Lupa) gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/lupa-capsules.txt [13:44] schestowitz-TR you are there now [13:49] schestowitz-TR New Zealand and Australia deaths rates for COVID-19 the same almost (less than 5% margin), but NZ had a long head start with vaccination before the spread. Demography similar, so it's not entirely clear if mass vaccination is anywhere near as effective as distance, mask, insulation. We need independent efficacy studies, not marketing junk from salespeople. [13:52] *psydruid has quit (Quit: Gateway shutdown) [13:52] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [13:53] schestowitz-TR In the UK, 90% of those who die of COVID-19 are vaccinated with COVID-19 products, based on the official data. Efficacy can't be THAT good. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/04/ons-vaccine-data/ [13:53] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive ONS Data: In May (Latest Data Available) COVID-19 Killed 149 Brits Who Turned Down COVID-19 Vaccines, 1,439 Who Received Such Vaccines [13:53] schestowitz-TR COVID minimisers: people who think it's OK to mingle while COVID-19 is prevalent. Examples: British government. COVIDiots: people who say "the pandemic is over" when in fact it is rebounding if not surging. In the UK, it's worse now than same time 1 year ago and 2 years ago. [13:54] schestowitz-TR in irc, this is OK to state such facts. if I still posted this in social control media, I'd risk ALL my account (history) based merely on 'touching' [13:54] schestowitz-TR the 'wrong' words [13:54] Techrights-sec ack [13:57] schestowitz-TR bloody hell, it's hard to find the information you'd assume is publicly available [13:57] schestowitz-TR I don't use Gulag Search [13:57] schestowitz-TR but if I did, it would likely bombard me with "fact checks" in place of actual results [13:57] schestowitz-TR not that I tried [13:57] schestowitz-TR 1) efficacy calculation method/s 2) advertised rates in 2022 (if that's still advertised at all this year) [13:57] schestowitz-TR they "settled" on the provider and product [13:57] schestowitz-TR AZ is the "windows" of the UK [13:57] schestowitz-TR sinofarm, china, sputnik russia [13:57] schestowitz-TR "vaccine natinalism" [13:58] Techrights-sec ack [13:58] Techrights-sec yep, it appears to be about the same model [13:58] Techrights-sec privatized patents built from publicly funded research [13:59] schestowitz-TR big farma = farming the market [13:59] schestowitz-TR populatinon size x product x # of patents (acquired using publicly-funded R&D) [13:59] schestowitz-TR you can't say this in twitter, then ban you for the words used to express this totally legitimate gripe ● Oct 04 [14:00] schestowitz-TR happened to me twice [14:00] schestowitz-TR I was even careful with the wording, it did not help [14:00] schestowitz-TR and added authoritative URLs to the "offending" tweets [14:00] schestowitz-TR maybe therein lies the whole "value proposition" of such sites [14:00] schestowitz-TR at least in 2020 onwards [14:00] Techrights-sec and then if they acquiesce at all they blame what they've done on "AI" [14:00] Techrights-sec There are no longer such things as authoritative sources :( [14:02] schestowitz-TR about 5 years ago when wikileaks was still alive I kept pointing out that "algorithm" (before the AI hype) [14:02] schestowitz-TR would be blamed for arbitrary and improper censorship [14:02] schestowitz-TR later wikileaks and even high-profile pro-Wikileaks accounts would be suspended, hidden, locked.. [14:02] schestowitz-TR sometimes based on "algorithm" [14:02] schestowitz-TR like "suspicious activity" [14:03] schestowitz-TR "bad" content" [14:03] schestowitz-TR it's like a CoC [14:03] schestowitz-TR but another context [14:03] schestowitz-TR trump had to wage a war on the country before twitter took action [14:03] schestowitz-TR and mostly to suck up to the upcoming (elected) senile [14:03] schestowitz-TR The OtherSenile(TM) [14:05] Techrights-sec Yep, similar model [14:06] schestowitz-TR kids take two decadesx to 'raise' [14:06] schestowitz-TR and even that alone is no guarantee of them becoming independent and leaving the 'nest' [14:06] schestowitz-TR even pseudoscience like "economics" cannot see 20 years ahead [14:06] schestowitz-TR even if it's greenspan in a suit and tie during the clinton era [14:06] schestowitz-TR with a constume and media support to seem like "doctor prosperity" [14:06] Techrights-sec ack [14:06] schestowitz-TR the solutions they offer, like bush 2nd did after 9/11, is "go shop more" [14:06] schestowitz-TR i.e. max up some more debt cards [14:06] schestowitz-TR to sustain a system where the currency became deficits based upon false assumption about a future gainful employment [14:12] schestowitz-TR my friend lost EVERYTHING! job, money, partner, health. all in one year. [14:12] schestowitz-TR he would not talk to friends. went into hiding and therapy. [14:12] schestowitz-TR he now panders against to sino 'farm' [sic] for a second chance [14:12] schestowitz-TR after they already burned him badly [14:12] schestowitz-TR along with some saudi and italian charlatans whom I warned him about all along [14:12] schestowitz-TR posers and pretenders [14:12] schestowitz-TR some of whom I met in person [14:12] schestowitz-TR same thing happened to my dad, went broke, I even sent him money for a while (from my salary) [14:12] schestowitz-TR people who worked decades and approach pension age, only to have neither money nor assets [14:12] schestowitz-TR while those at the top moan that their wealth is not growing fast enough to keep up with inflation [14:12] schestowitz-TR which they themselves created [14:12] schestowitz-TR by taking all the capital out of the market, impeding ability to make any further "lucrative" purchases [14:12] schestowitz-TR by the way, daemonfc has a child [14:12] schestowitz-TR her name is buick [14:12] schestowitz-TR she cost him like $5000 or more only on the first year [14:12] schestowitz-TR birth price was just north of that [14:12] schestowitz-TR so he complained in irc last night [14:12] schestowitz-TR after I had warned him atxis would be vastly cheaper [14:12] schestowitz-TR *taxis [14:12] schestowitz-TR I also reckon dishonest garage 'grease monkeys' would become more dishonest [14:12] schestowitz-TR and even sabotage things [14:12] schestowitz-TR because they could really use more money [14:12] schestowitz-TR and their work ethics are not exactly renowned [14:12] schestowitz-TR having a buick is a sign on your back that says "happy to waste money to keep up status/sppearance" [14:14] Techrights-sec :/ [14:14] Techrights-sec ack [14:14] Techrights-sec The independent garages are often fairly honest, especially if you are [14:14] Techrights-sec a regular. It is the dealerships where one has to be especially alert. [14:14] Techrights-sec However, the independent repair shops are being squeezed out through various [14:14] Techrights-sec means hinging on closed source, closed protocols, and closed APIs among others. [14:14] Techrights-sec If I understand the dealerships are selling a kind of maintenance subscription [14:14] Techrights-sec to futher lock buyers into the dealer's services and to keep any money at all [14:14] Techrights-sec from going to the independent repair shops. [14:18] schestowitz-TR when I was a kid you have one spare tire at the back [14:18] schestowitz-TR a kit [14:18] schestowitz-TR and some oil, water, maybe a set of tools [14:18] schestowitz-TR a lot of stuff was mechanical and could be repaired on the go [14:18] schestowitz-TR without having to get another vehicle to drag you to a shop [14:18] schestowitz-TR just roadside work [14:18] schestowitz-TR might take several hours [14:18] schestowitz-TR but you could get by [14:18] schestowitz-TR sort of like bicycle [14:18] schestowitz-TR we've not needed to take them to the shop in a decade [14:18] schestowitz-TR I can fix things on my own [14:18] schestowitz-TR and improve at it over time [14:18] schestowitz-TR the wheels are easily detachable [14:18] schestowitz-TR so the flat tyre was a case of taking it at hand for new inner tube [14:19] schestowitz-TR I never changed inner tube on my own [14:19] schestowitz-TR and the cost of them doing it for you when you purchase the replacement is only a few pounds [14:19] schestowitz-TR with their tools, they do it really fast [14:19] schestowitz-TR and we have a shop near to us [14:19] schestowitz-TR I dread the idea of some SBC with critical info now functioning properly in a car [14:19] schestowitz-TR you cannot get int here to replace it [14:19] schestowitz-TR even if you somehow got the spare module [14:19] schestowitz-TR a garage would tell you fairy tales about having to "order it from x" [14:19] schestowitz-TR and how it takes like a week to get it installed [14:19] schestowitz-TR computer repair shops are the same [14:19] schestowitz-TR they ask you to leave it over for the perception of complexity [14:19] schestowitz-TR even for a job they can do on the spot while you go to the loo [14:20] Techrights-sec No spare tires any more, that too is a subscription service. [14:20] schestowitz-TR wait till smart wheels [14:20] schestowitz-TR with "LIGHTS ON THEM" [14:20] schestowitz-TR and cameras and stuff [14:20] schestowitz-TR and microphone [14:20] schestowitz-TR and....... [14:21] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:28] Techrights-sec not just one microphone, many [14:28] Techrights-sec not just one camera, dozens both inside and outside [14:28] Techrights-sec https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/04/23/cameras-inside-outside-new-cars/3506205002/ [14:28] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.usatoday.com | Car cameras are no longer just on dashboards or outside your vehicle [14:30] schestowitz-TR at what cost? [14:30] schestowitz-TR what for? [14:30] schestowitz-TR trying to recall an example from the other day... [14:30] schestowitz-TR some gadget that has ... ah, smoker detector [14:30] schestowitz-TR now they have connectioon [14:30] schestowitz-TR FUCKING SMOKE DETECTORS! [14:30] schestowitz-TR what for????? [14:30] Techrights-sec To sell to the insurance companies, police, and any other group with the right [14:30] Techrights-sec contacts and a bit of money. [14:30] schestowitz-TR the 'roy law': the more "smart" things become, the more expensive they will become (purchase, maintenance, human rights) [14:30] schestowitz-TR but it's far too banal to be a "law" [14:31] Techrights-sec Yes, and it adds to the mark up. [14:34] schestowitz-TR last night I jokes with dfc, [14:34] schestowitz-TR that horses are quickly becoming more appealing as means of transport [14:34] schestowitz-TR compared to "smart" cars, "modern" cars, EVs, and "self-driving" with lidar or whatever [14:34] schestowitz-TR horses also have dual purpose [14:34] schestowitz-TR "hybrids" [14:34] schestowitz-TR you can ride them [14:34] schestowitz-TR or attach them to a wagon for more passengers [14:34] schestowitz-TR never mind traffic, companion [14:34] schestowitz-TR repair means veta [14:34] schestowitz-TR and they lost over a decade is "maintained" properly [14:34] schestowitz-TR and make a good pet, too [14:34] schestowitz-TR /is/if/ [14:35] Techrights-sec [14:35] Techrights-sec Horses are not practical for similar reasons as bicycles are not practical, [14:35] Techrights-sec at least in the US and countries following a similar (lack of) urban planning. [14:35] Techrights-sec The towns and cities have been intentionally laid out to prevent foot traffic [14:35] Techrights-sec and short-distance travel. [14:35] Techrights-sec Horses are great. As long as you can stay in the saddle it'll find its own [14:35] Techrights-sec way home from the pub with you on its back. :P [14:37] schestowitz-TR two horses walk into a pub [14:37] schestowitz-TR get inebriated [14:37] schestowitz-TR run off a cliff [14:39] schestowitz-TR the replace-machanics-with animal rhetoric is meant as a joke [14:39] schestowitz-TR to make a point [14:39] schestowitz-TR the same is sometimes true for quad-core "phones" replaced with a node pad (pen, paper) [14:40] schestowitz-TR because you never need to charge the latter [14:40] schestowitz-TR we use paper as backup when travelling, still [14:40] schestowitz-TR the ev/smart/moderm/autonomous bs makes the costs very high [14:40] schestowitz-TR to the point where even a slow horse might be worth the tradeoff [14:40] schestowitz-TR if you nleave near land with flora or hay [14:46] schestowitz-TR #AmishWasRight ;-) [14:46] schestowitz-TR EVs would become less sustainables as the energy gets tapped by more and more onboard computers [14:46] schestowitz-TR and energy prices go up to the point where some states BAN rechanging the car [14:46] schestowitz-TR with petrol you can stockpile a bit (no, not plastic bags! don't try this at home!) [14:46] Techrights-sec Electric vehicles have a problem with the componentns not being sustainable, [14:46] Techrights-sec especially the batteries. Some of the is slowly chaning but in the near [14:46] Techrights-sec and medium term the larger threat is from the software payloads the cars [14:46] Techrights-sec carry into peoples' lives. [14:47] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@kqvcqbcq5tvms.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [14:48] schestowitz-TR of corse the FSF writes about this all the timne :s [14:48] schestowitz-TR or not even once [14:48] schestowitz-TR iirc, it never wrote to caution about nasty tech introduced under the auspices of COVID-19 [14:48] schestowitz-TR because... "antivaxxer" [14:48] schestowitz-TR if they say "emacs virgins" if sexist and pro-abortion if "ableist" [14:48] schestowitz-TR then anything vaccine related is "conspiracy crank" [14:50] Techrights-sec FSF / EFF [14:50] Techrights-sec Yes, *anything* that is written is silenced regardless of the position or [14:50] Techrights-sec backing literature. [14:50] Techrights-sec FSF / EFF [14:50] Techrights-sec Yes, *anything* that is written is silenced regardless of the position or [14:50] Techrights-sec backing literature. [14:51] schestowitz-TR the same people working from the inside to undermine EFF are sometimes the same people -- or connected to people -- who did this in FSF [14:51] schestowitz-TR while calling gillmore and moglen names [14:51] schestowitz-TR with neither proof nor context [14:54] schestowitz-TR TR is not a big team [14:54] schestowitz-TR but we are not invaded [14:54] schestowitz-TR nor do we need to suck up to cocs and corporations [14:54] schestowitz-TR as it stands.. [14:54] schestowitz-TR rms has not given talks in a while [14:55] schestowitz-TR when it does they barely advertise it [14:55] schestowitz-TR i thinkf for fear of online protests to cancel these talks [14:55] schestowitz-TR (it happened before) [14:55] schestowitz-TR or to condemn him for canceling a talk [14:55] schestowitz-TR (also happened before) [14:55] schestowitz-TR i think the term "cancel culture" is connected to that specifically [14:55] schestowitz-TR not the defamation brigades [14:55] schestowitz-TR but rather, groups online organising to cancel talks [14:55] schestowitz-TR or deplatform people physically, rather than from some "platform" [14:56] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/07/06/honeytraps/ [14:56] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Honeytraps | Techrights [14:57] schestowitz-TR [14:56] schestowitz[TR], Now I have another fume leak somewhere it seems. [14:57] schestowitz-TR [14:56] More smoke tests if the code comes back. ● Oct 04 [15:13] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@h635kpe3hju7k.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [15:19] Techrights-sec ack [15:32] schestowitz-TR btw, shoehorning entryism is done outside net/tech [15:32] schestowitz-TR I am told that some group whose name I cannot recall atrget institutions [15:32] schestowitz-TR inc. academic [15:32] schestowitz-TR they find one member of staff that make anti-trans joke some time in the past [15:33] schestowitz-TR and then threatsn the employer with a smear campaign [15:33] schestowitz-TR unless it complies with a list od demands and buys some eductional material [15:33] schestowitz-TR to "correct" the problem [15:33] schestowitz-TR this, in turn, is enough to put off some people [15:33] schestowitz-TR but the strategy seems similar [15:33] schestowitz-TR in our case, dfc is the one for whom the irc channels have topics altered [15:33] schestowitz-TR to trigger a response [15:33] schestowitz-TR so we try to keep the channel on topic [15:33] schestowitz-TR to the extent feassible [15:54] Techrights-sec ack [15:56] schestowitz-TR there is a VERY annoying new family of popups [15:56] schestowitz-TR that I think take JS to remove [15:56] schestowitz-TR when entering a whole lot of site since weeks ago [15:56] schestowitz-TR inc. howtoforce [15:57] schestowitz-TR but many a dozen sites [15:57] schestowitz-TR youi must have noticed some in quiterss [15:57] schestowitz-TR I don't know how to bypass them [15:57] schestowitz-TR as soon as you oopen the page, overlay with useless dialogue [15:57] schestowitz-TR pretending to care about consent [15:57] schestowitz-TR the www is becoming a lot less accessible very rapidly [15:57] schestowitz-TR the sites that have this all outsourced to the same malware [15:57] schestowitz-TR and that malware become more malicious weeks ago [15:57] schestowitz-TR to the point where you cannot even get to the text ● Oct 04 [16:21] Techrights-sec ack [16:21] Techrights-sec WWW has quickly turned into an unauthenticated malware delivery mechanism [16:21] Techrights-sec and the browsers have turned into the world's crappiest VMs. [16:21] Techrights-sec By the way, the FOIA request on the Franklin surveillance resulted in a partial [16:21] Techrights-sec release of documents. It'll be interesting to see what was released even it [16:21] Techrights-sec s/it$/if/ [16:21] Techrights-sec it is not a large amount and partially redacted at that. [16:22] schestowitz-TR yes, I was surprised they targeted her too [16:23] schestowitz-TR al gore's favourite singer, he claimed [16:23] schestowitz-TR if she passes muster for "extra treatment", the barrier was already very low decades ago [16:24] Techrights-sec I figure, at least back then when they were musicians and not 'entertainers' [16:24] Techrights-sec and certainly not under corporate control, they watched as many as they [16:24] Techrights-sec had resources to watch. Now most that are allowed access to distribution [16:24] Techrights-sec channels are under full corporate control and fully congnizant of their [16:24] Techrights-sec tenuous status and disposability. [16:24] schestowitz-TR they call it the "zemlin syndrome " ;-) [16:27] schestowitz-TR it takes a lot of effort to "fully" cancel LT and RMS [16:27] schestowitz-TR they had a first (test?) run in 2015 [16:27] schestowitz-TR they just need "attackl fodder" [16:27] schestowitz-TR to reduce the "blowback" [16:27] schestowitz-TR one fodder is known as MJG [16:27] schestowitz-TR and some loon who is not the sharpest tool in the box [16:27] schestowitz-TR so they take the heat [16:27] schestowitz-TR instead of Intel, Red Hat, Microsoft, Gulag [16:27] schestowitz-TR and then people fight one another along social aspectas [16:27] schestowitz-TR not corporarte aspects [16:27] schestowitz-TR community vs corporate power [16:32] schestowitz-TR extra point: usuaulyl it's not even legit social aspects or lines [16:32] schestowitz-TR as people of the same class can see eye to eye [16:32] schestowitz-TR so it needs to be some trollish bullish bullshit [16:42] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:50] Techrights-sec ack [16:52] schestowitz-TR one good feature of mjg (to them) is that he too is highly disposable (by them) [16:52] schestowitz-TR for all sorts of reasons we find over time [16:52] schestowitz-TR he stalks our channels becase we've canceled him [16:52] schestowitz-TR in some circles he's not welcome [16:52] schestowitz-TR because they see the track record and smell trouble [16:53] schestowitz-TR by the way, did you see what tor project posted yesterday? [16:53] schestowitz-TR I'm not sure what to make of it [16:56] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@57mp77k2cp9ci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell [16:58] Techrights-sec checking [16:58] Techrights-sec About the conflicts of interests? [16:58] Techrights-sec I haven't seen the Vice (Motherboard) article it refers to. [16:58] Techrights-sec It looks like they have a representative from "Team Cymru" and whether he himself is ok is overshadows by "Team Cymru" having services which run counter [16:58] Techrights-sec to the Tor Project's goals, thus making him an inappropriate choice for board. ● Oct 04 [17:00] schestowitz-TR my remark in irc was, what about the bribes tor took from microsoft (DDG) to help promote the NSA/MS spying? [17:00] schestowitz-TR Tor is a farce to me at this point [17:00] schestowitz-TR like newEFF [17:00] schestowitz-TR also shilling Microsoft and DDG [17:00] schestowitz-TR maybe the objective is to discredit both [17:06] Techrights-sec That could always be either a side objective or a main objective. [17:06] Techrights-sec If people lose enough confidence in the tool, then they will not use it and [17:06] Techrights-sec might even avoid it. [17:06] Techrights-sec However, rummaging around, there seems to be no web index of anything relevant [17:06] Techrights-sec which appears like a Motherboard article. [17:39] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 04 [18:41] *Despatche has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:43] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #boycottnovell ● Oct 04 [20:26] Techrights-sec Debian: systemd, anti-RMS libel / lynch letter, proprietary drivers [20:26] Techrights-sec found it: https://www.vice.com/en/article/akejp8/cyber-inside-the-tool-the-us-military-is-using-to-monitor-emails-and-web-traffic [20:26] Techrights-sec """ [20:26] Techrights-sec One of the companies buying up all that data is Team Cymru who watches over all of it with a tool it calls Augury. Who buys Augury? Weve just learned a lot [20:26] Techrights-sec of agencies within the federal government. Cyber Command, the Army, the Navy, are all using Augury to paw through internet traffic. But what, exactly, are [20:26] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.vice.com | CYBER: Inside the Tool the US Military Is Using to Monitor Emails and Web Traffic [20:26] Techrights-sec they looking for? And what can they even see? [20:26] Techrights-sec """ [20:26] Techrights-sec That's not really indexed though. 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